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15 Mar 2014 18:14:26 +0000 UTC References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-D64E3C3B-699A-4C97-81F7-6329DD316647 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 14:14:25 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=wTY8E2X1hlAr0191tudIDcb45vjL84lD3nkkDeGJpv3CUA X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 --Apple-Mail-D64E3C3B-699A-4C97-81F7-6329DD316647 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't know what you are using for a transmitter and or audio processor.. I'm running a BE am6a transmitter with an older orban Optimod 9100b stereo = processor. In c-quam. I'm running 50% modulation on each left and right inputs. The c_= quam card mixes the 2 channels to give me 100% modulation if listening with= Mono am radio... The 50% is average. It peaks at 60%. So it's closer to = 120% mono modulation. It's totally different then running 125%. In mono o= nly mode.. You have to find that balance.. Also some tax like the BE the = right channel likes to be out of phase to sound right in mono mode. Not sur= e if that's a fluke with the + - label on the exciter. Maybe it's printed w= rong, but if I go plus to plus and minus to minus. It sounds like garbage= .... Neal will operate c-quam over IBOC any day ..... Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:39 PM, wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Now we had a new TX (chilean manufacturer) and we returned to the air wi= th a lot of great improvements, specially about our coverage area. Now we'r= e going to the second step: the C-Quam AM Stereo Exciter. >=20 > Just a question: I wonder if there is a way to fix the audible (and annoy= ing) distortion produced in some AM tuners when we broadcast with 125% posi= tive peaks. >=20 > Some tuners can handle this but some others... Definitively not!!! >=20 > We had to set the audio processor to just 100% positive peaks maximun out= put because a lot of people told us about the distortion, so... I wonder if= there is some way to fix this. >=20 > Thanks a lot for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-D64E3C3B-699A-4C97-81F7-6329DD316647 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't know what you are using for = a transmitter and or audio processor..
I'm running a BE am6a tran= smitter with an older orban Optimod 9100b stereo processor.
In c-= quam. I'm running 50% modulation on each left and right inputs. The c_quam = card mixes the 2 channels to give me 100% modulation if listening with Mono= am radio...  The 50% is average. It peaks at 60%.  So it's close= r to 120% mono modulation.   It's totally different then running 125%.= In mono only mode..   You have to find that balance.. Also some tax l= ike the BE the right channel likes to be out of phase to sound right in mon= o mode. Not sure if that's a fluke with the + - label on the exciter. Maybe= it's printed wrong, but if I go  plus to plus and minus to minus. &nb= sp;It sounds like garbage....

Neal will operate c-= quam over IBOC any day .....

Sent from my iPad

On Mar = 15, 2014, at 1:39 PM, <jotape196= 0@yahoo.com> wrote:

=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Gang!!!

Now we had a new TX  (chilean manufactur= er) and we returned to the air with a lot of great improvements, specially = about our coverage area. Now we're going to the second step: the C-Quam AM = Stereo Exciter.

Just a question: I wonder if there= is a way to fix the audible (and annoying) distortion produced in some AM = tuners when we broadcast with 125% positive peaks.

Some tuners can handle this but some others... Definitively not!!!

We had to set the audio processor to just 100% positive p= eaks maximun output because a lot of people told us about the distortion, s= o... I wonder if there is some way to fix this.

Th= anks a lot for your time!!!

GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!= !!


Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and lov= e
--Apple-Mail-D64E3C3B-699A-4C97-81F7-6329DD316647-- From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Mar 15 12:25:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: mjgrant@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7706 invoked by uid 102); 15 Mar 2014 19:25:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2014 19:25:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19991 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2014 19:25:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.143.86) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2014 19:25:42 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mba01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mba01.mx.aol.com [172.26.133.111]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 997C870000097 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:25:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mrc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.185.77]) by mtaomg-mba01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 227AA38000081 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:25:42 -0400 (EDT) References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D10E9B7D4EC5C4_1C74_5B40E_webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38442-STANDARD X-Received: from 107.34.207.59 by webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com (149.174.164.84) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:25:42 -0400 Message-Id: <8D10E9B7D3E1C1D-1C74-17D32@webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:25:42 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a856f5324a93662cf X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mjgrant Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=9yRIweOeF-nP6fJcfYImdZdoM32D-jAkROsDA5FWmFxOsq4DxxHnuiHWkJNuGGE8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple ----------MB_8D10E9B7D4EC5C4_1C74_5B40E_webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have studied AM Supermodulation since the late 1960s. Many broadcast eng= ineers and technicians do not the principle or how it applies to the equipm= ent they have. Supermodulation seeks to take advantage of the assymetrical nature of the p= eaks found in typical program material such as voice and music. Although t= he average modulation, that is summing the area of positive (or upward) and= negative (or downward) modulation, must always be zero to avoid carrier sh= ift, there is no reason not to allow peaks in excess of 100% *if* the parti= cular equipment has the capacity to do so while maintaining linearity witho= ut distortion which many older conventional transmitters could not. In ord= er to achieve 125% positive modulation, the modulator has to supply 56.25% = more peak power than under 100% sinusoidal modulation which many, but not a= ll, older transmitters were designed for. One exception was a special Gate= s conventional high level plate modulated transmitter that was supplied wit= h a modulator from its comparable 10kW unit. In principle, RCA Ampliphase = transmitter could not only exceed 100% positive modulation, but could also = exceed 100% negative modulation as well without splatter. Unfortunately, u= nless the receiver had a product detector, the only result of exceeding 100= % downward modulation was distortion. A conventional peak envelope detector typically has no problem with an AM s= upermodulated signal with assymetrical peaks exceeding 100% in the positive= direction. If the receiver has a product detector, which many don't, it c= ould detect negative peaks exceeding 100% downward modulation as well. It = would the same as a DSB reduced carrier AM signal. Depending on the transm= itter design, most modern transmitters are designed for 125% positive modul= ation but are not capable of exceeding 100% negative modulation which is of= little consequence since it is illegal, at least in the United States. If you are experiecing distortion, the most important thing to check is tha= t the transmitter is correctly phased with the assymetrical limiter. That = is, a postive going signal produces an upwardly modulated RF output. Somet= imes wires get "crossed" or there is an intervening inverting device in the= audio chain. I have experimented with supermodulation using an arbitrary function genera= tor to generate the assymetrical modulating signal. My 1941 Zeneth "Big Bl= ack Dial" console radio handles the signal equally well as my Denon TU-680N= AB. Best of Fortune. Mike =20 ----------MB_8D10E9B7D4EC5C4_1C74_5B40E_webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"


I have studied AM Supermodulation since the late 1960s.  Many broadcas= t engineers and technicians do not the principle or how it applies to the e= quipment they have.
 
Supermodulation seeks to take advantage of the assymetrical nature of = the peaks found in typical program material such as voice and music.  = Although the average modulation, that is summing the area of positive (or u= pward) and negative (or downward) modulation, must always be zero to avoid = carrier shift, there is no reason not to allow peaks in excess of 100% *if*= the particular equipment has the capacity to do so while maintaining linea= rity without distortion which many older conventional transmitters could no= t.  In order to achieve 125% positive modulation, the modulator has to= supply 56.25% more peak power than under 100% sinusoidal modulation which = many, but not all, older transmitters were designed for.  One exceptio= n was a special Gates conventional high level plate modulated transmitter t= hat was supplied with a modulator from its comparable 10kW unit.  In p= rinciple, RCA Ampliphase transmitter could not only exceed 100% positive mo= dulation, but could also exceed 100% negative modulation as well without sp= latter.  Unfortunately, unless the receiver had a product detector, th= e only result of exceeding 100% downward modulation was distortion.
 
A conventional peak envelope detector typically has no problem with an= AM supermodulated signal with assymetrical peaks exceeding 100% in the pos= itive direction.  If the receiver has a product detector, which many d= on't, it could detect negative peaks exceeding 100% downward modulation as = well.  It would the same as a DSB reduced carrier AM signal. = ; Depending on the transmitter design, most modern transmitters are designe= d for 125% positive modulation but are not capable of exceeding 100% negati= ve modulation which is of little consequence since it is illegal, at least = in the United States.
 
If you are experiecing distortion, the most important thing to check i= s that the transmitter is correctly phased with the assymetrical limiter.&n= bsp; That is, a postive going signal produces an upwardly modulated RF outp= ut.  Sometimes wires get "crossed" or there is an intervening invertin= g device in the audio chain.
 
I have experimented with supermodulation using an arbitrary function g= enerator to generate the assymetrical modulating signal.  My 1941 Zene= th "Big Black Dial" console radio handles the signal equally well as my Den= on TU-680NAB.
 
Best of Fortune.
 
Mike

 ----------MB_8D10E9B7D4EC5C4_1C74_5B40E_webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com-- From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Mar 15 12:51:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: mjgrant@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41088 invoked by uid 102); 15 Mar 2014 19:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m13.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2014 19:51:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26692 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2014 19:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.109.204) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2014 19:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.143]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 06AB670000084 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:51:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mrc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.185.77]) by mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 643E138000082 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:51:57 -0400 (EDT) References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D10E9F284BB53C_1C74_5B884_webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38442-STANDARD X-Received: from 107.34.207.59 by webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com (149.174.164.84) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:51:57 -0400 Message-Id: <8D10E9F283FCE57-1C74-17E43@webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:51:57 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe8f5324af5d7b33 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mjgrant Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ALSyIyV4eKW5SNSaU16h-B4ARBkDOn79oRrKcxej9d8BPcn27VKydC9rDttAykKU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple ----------MB_8D10E9F284BB53C_1C74_5B884_webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Neal, I assume you are referring to assymetrical and not sinusoidal peak modulati= on. Does your BE tx use the 4M modulation system? Theoretically, such a t= ransmitter could produce splatter free distortionless sinusoidal supermodul= ation. The Federal Communication Commision might even recognize your techn= ical achievement with a citation. :) Mike -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum Sent: Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:14 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation =20 Don't know what you are using for a transmitter and or audio processor.. I'm running a BE am6a transmitter with an older orban Optimod 9100b stereo = processor. In c-quam. I'm running 50% modulation on each left and right inputs. The c_= quam card mixes the 2 channels to give me 100% modulation if listening with= Mono am radio... The 50% is average. It peaks at 60%. So it's closer to = 120% mono modulation. It's totally different then running 125%. In mono o= nly mode.. You have to find that balance.. Also some tax like the BE the = right channel likes to be out of phase to sound right in mono mode. Not sur= e if that's a fluke with the + - label on the exciter. Maybe it's printed w= rong, but if I go plus to plus and minus to minus. It sounds like garbage= .... Neal will operate c-quam over IBOC any day ..... ----------MB_8D10E9F284BB53C_1C74_5B884_webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Neal,
 
I assume you are referring to assymetrical and not sinusoidal peak mod= ulation.  Does your BE tx use the 4M modulation system?  Theoreti= cally, such a transmitter could produce splatter free distortionless s= inusoidal supermodulation.  The Federal Communication Commision m= ight even recognize your technical achievement with a citation. :)
 
Mike


= -----Original Message-----
From: Neal Newman <cozy659@yahoo.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation

 =20
Don't know what you are using for a transmitter and or audio processor= ..
I'm running a BE am6a transmitter with an older orban Optimod 9100b st= ereo processor.
In c-quam. I'm running 50% modulation on each left and right inputs. T= he c_quam card mixes the 2 channels to give me 100% modulation if listening= with Mono am radio...  The 50% is average. It peaks at 60%.  So = it's closer to 120% mono modulation.   It's totally different then run= ning 125%. In mono only mode..   You have to find that balance.. Also = some tax like the BE the right channel likes to be out of phase to sound ri= ght in mono mode. Not sure if that's a fluke with the + - label on the exci= ter. Maybe it's printed wrong, but if I go  plus to plus and minus to = minus.  It sounds like garbage....

Neal will operate c-quam over IBOC any day .....

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Im using the onboard C-quam Card that came with the BE transmitter=E2=80=A6= . it sounds really good=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0 I also have The harris C-quam exciter =C2=A0on a Different station T= hat was Running a Harris DX-10=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0I now have it Connected to th= e Harris Gates One=E2=80=A6 It also sounds really Good=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0I hav= e 4 stations setup to Run CQuam.. Never had an Issue=E2=80=A6 Each has actu= ally passed FCC Field inspections.I must Be Doing it Right.=C2=A0 Neal On Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:52 PM, Mjgrant wrote: =20 Neal, =C2=A0 I assume you are referring to assymetrical and not sinusoidal peak modulati= on.=C2=A0 Does your BE tx use the 4M modulation system?=C2=A0 Theoretically= , such a transmitter could produce=C2=A0splatter free distortionless sinuso= idal supermodulation.=C2=A0=C2=A0The Federal Communication Commision might = even recognize your technical achievement with a citation. :) =C2=A0 Mike -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum Sent: Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:14 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation =C2=A0=20 Don't know what you are using for a transmitter and or audio processor.. I'm running a BE am6a transmitter with an older orban Optimod 9100b stereo = processor. In c-quam. I'm running 50% modulation on each left and right inputs. The c_= quam card mixes the 2 channels to give me 100% modulation if listening with= Mono am radio... =C2=A0The 50% is average. It peaks at 60%. =C2=A0So it's = closer to 120% mono modulation. =C2=A0 It's totally different then running = 125%. In mono only mode.. =C2=A0 You have to find that balance.. Also some = tax like the BE the right channel likes to be out of phase to sound right i= n mono mode. Not sure if that's a fluke with the + - label on the exciter. = Maybe it's printed wrong, but if I go =C2=A0plus to plus and minus to minus= . =C2=A0It sounds like garbage.... Neal will operate c-quam over IBOC any day ..... =20 ---432529009-727067054-1395018639=:70934 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Hey Mike=E2=80=A6.
Im using the onboard C-quam Card th= at came with the BE transmitter=E2=80=A6. it sounds really good=E2=80=A6
  I als= o have The harris C-quam exciter  on a Different station That was Runn= ing a Harris DX-10=E2=80=A6  I now have it Connected to the Harris Gat= es One=E2=80=A6 It also sounds really Good=E2=80=A6  I have 4 stations= setup to Run CQuam.. Never had an Issue=E2=80=A6 Each has actually passed FCC Field inspections.I must Be Do= ing it Right. 
Neal


On Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:52 PM, Mjgrant <mjgran= t@aol.com> wrote:


Neal,
 
I assume you are referring to assymetrical and not sinusoidal peak mod= ulation.  Does your BE tx use the 4M modulation system?  Theoreti= cally, such a transmitter could produce splatter free distortionless s= inusoidal supermodulation.  The Federal Communication Commision m= ight even recognize your technical achievement with a citation. :)
 
Mike


= -----Original Message-----
From: Neal Newman <cozy659@yahoo.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 15, 2014 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation

 =20
Don't know what you are using for a transmitter and or audio processor= ..
I'm running a BE am6a transmitter with an older orban Optimod 9100b st= ereo processor.
In c-quam. I'm running 50% modulation on each left and right inputs. T= he c_quam card mixes the 2 channels to give me 100% modulation if listening= with Mono am radio...  The 50% is average. It peaks at 60%.  So = it's closer to 120% mono modulation.   It's totally different then run= ning 125%. In mono only mode..   You have to find that balance.. Also = some tax like the BE the right channel likes to be out of phase to sound ri= ght in mono mode. Not sure if that's a fluke with the + - label on the exci= ter. Maybe it's printed wrong, but if I go  plus to plus and minus to = minus.  It sounds like garbage....

Neal will operate c-quam over IBOC any day .....





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On Mar 16, 2= 014, at 9:10 PM, Neal Newman wrote:

I also have The harris C-quam= exciter  on a Different station That was Running a Harris DX-10=85



That D= X-10 was one sweet sounding rig, one of the best sounding Radio Stations I = have ever heard.

That Bollywood music really stand= s out when in AM Stereo!


73,
Kevin Raper=
KJ4HYD
CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ

There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a ma= thematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leon= ard Kahn



--Apple-Mail=_9F953102-5120-48C4-A1B9-1D56F6EEE722-- From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Mar 16 23:14:52 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: mjgrant@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66777 invoked by uid 102); 17 Mar 2014 06:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2014 06:14:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 701 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2014 06:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.143.75) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2014 06:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mab02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mab02.mx.aol.com [172.26.249.84]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 177C9700000BE for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 02:14:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mra005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mra005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.81]) by mtaomg-mab02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C288C38000082 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 02:14:51 -0400 (EDT) References: <8D10E9F283FCE57-1C74-17E43@webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com> <1395018639.70934.YahooMailNeo@web164601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1395018639.70934.YahooMailNeo@web164601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D10FBF578A3DEE_AE0_6C6A3_webmailstg-vd09.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38442-STANDARD X-Received: from 107.34.207.59 by webmailstg-vd09.sysops.aol.com (205.188.128.121) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 17 Mar 2014 02:14:51 -0400 Message-Id: <8D10FBF57700ECE-AE0-1BD52@webmailstg-vd09.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 02:14:51 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1af954532692db4bc6 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mjgrant Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pcQL00ltpNbKVSNGZYIpFSqZofgC_yepYwfQclMnB20figFdan56jjcqC2nqokzt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple ----------MB_8D10FBF578A3DEE_AE0_6C6A3_webmailstg-vd09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Neal, BE's 4-M modulation system has exceptional fidelity. In principle, it can = achieve negative supermodulation because it can do carrier reversal. Whethe= r BE implemented the capability in their DSP is another question entirely. = When you mentioned 120% mono modulation I was wondering if you meant asyme= trical or sinusoidal modulation. If you meant sinusoidal, that would mean= 120% negative peaks.=20=20 I was just curious if BE implemented greater than !00% downward modulation = capability. Not that you would ever use it. I know their transmitters a= re capable of over 140% upward modulation even though the U.S. limit is 125= %. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:10 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation =20 Hey Mike=E2=80=A6. Im using the onboard C-quam Card that came with the BE transmitter=E2=80=A6= . it sounds really good=E2=80=A6 I also have The harris C-quam exciter on a Different station That was Ru= nning a Harris DX-10=E2=80=A6 I now have it Connected to the Harris Gates = One=E2=80=A6 It also sounds really Good=E2=80=A6 I have 4 stations setup t= o Run CQuam.. Never had an Issue=E2=80=A6 Each has actually passed FCC Fiel= d inspections.I must Be Doing it Right.=20 Neal On Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:52 PM, Mjgrant wrote: Neal, =20 I assume you are referring to assymetrical and not sinusoidal peak modulati= on. Does your BE tx use the 4M modulation system? Theoretically, such a t= ransmitter could produce splatter free distortionless sinusoidal supermodul= ation. The Federal Communication Commision might even recognize your techn= ical achievement with a citation. :) =20 Mike ----------MB_8D10FBF578A3DEE_AE0_6C6A3_webmailstg-vd09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Neal,
 
BE's 4-M modulation system has exceptional fidelity.  In principl= e, it can achieve negative supermodulation because it can do carrier revers= al. Whether BE implemented the capability in their DSP is another question = entirely.  When you mentioned 120% mono modulation I was wondering if = you meant asymetrical or sinusoidal modulation.   If you meant si= nusoidal, that would mean 120% negative peaks. 
 
I was just curious if BE implemented greater than !00% downward modula= tion capability.  Not that you would ever use it.    I = know their transmitters are capable of over 140% upward modulation even tho= ugh the U.S. limit is 125%.
Mike
 
= -----Original Message-----
From: Neal Newman <cozy659@yahoo.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:10 pm
Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation

 =20
 Hey Mike=E2=80=A6.
Im using the onboard C-qu= am Card that came with the BE transmitter=E2=80=A6. it sounds really good= =E2=80=A6
  I also have The ha= rris C-quam exciter  on a Different station That was Running a Harris = DX-10=E2=80=A6  I now have it Connected to the Harris Gates One=E2=80= =A6 It also sounds really Good=E2=80=A6  I have 4 stations setup to Ru= n CQuam.. Never had an Issue=E2=80=A6 Each has actually passed FCC Field in= spections.I must Be Doing it Right. 
Neal


On Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:52= PM, Mjgrant <mjgrant@aol.com>= wrote:


Neal,
 
I assume you are referring to assymetrical and not sinusoidal peak mod= ulation.  Does your BE tx use the 4M modulation system?  Theoreti= cally, such a transmitter could produce splatter free distortionless s= inusoidal supermodulation.  The Federal Communication Commision m= ight even recognize your technical achievement with a citation. :)
 
Mike


 
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Mon, 17 Mar 2014 06:08:52 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,YXN5bWV0cmljYWzigKYKwqAgQmV0d2VlbiAxMjAtMTI1JSBQb3NpdGl2ZSDCoGFuZCA5Ni05OSUgbmVnYXRpdmXigKYKTmVhbAoKCgpPbiBNb25kYXksIE1hcmNoIDE3LCAyMDE0IDI6MTggQU0sIE1qZ3JhbnQgPG1qZ3JhbnRAYW9sLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6CiAKCgoKTmVhbCwKwqAKQkUncyA0LU0gbW9kdWxhdGlvbiBzeXN0ZW0gaGFzIGV4Y2VwdGlvbmFsIGZpZGVsaXR5LsKgIEluIHByaW5jaXBsZSwgaXQgY2FuIGFjaGlldmUgbmVnYXRpdmUgc3VwZXJtb2R1bGF0aW9uIGJlY2F1c2UgaXQgY2FuIGRvIGNhcnIBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.178.641 References: <8D10E9F283FCE57-1C74-17E43@webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com> <1395018639.70934.YahooMailNeo@web164601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8D10FBF57700ECE-AE0-1BD52@webmailstg-vd09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1395061732.15037.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 06:08:52 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <8D10FBF57700ECE-AE0-1BD52@webmailstg-vd09.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1624034222-1276365673-1395061732=:15037" X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Reply-To: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=6BGcS87Y5BViwQomGBU6aEvsepabT7klSavBHSWqyaexCA X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 ---1624034222-1276365673-1395061732=:15037 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable asymetrical=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0 Between 120-125% Positive =C2=A0and 96-99% negative=E2=80=A6 Neal On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:18 AM, Mjgrant wrote: =20 Neal, =C2=A0 BE's 4-M modulation system has exceptional fidelity.=C2=A0 In principle, it= can achieve negative supermodulation because it can do carrier reversal. W= hether BE implemented the capability in their DSP is another question entir= ely.=C2=A0 When you mentioned 120% mono modulation I was wondering if you m= eant asymetrical or sinusoidal modulation.=C2=A0=C2=A0 If you meant sinusoi= dal, that would mean 120% negative peaks.=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 I was just curious if BE implemented greater than !00% downward modulation = capability.=C2=A0 Not that you would ever use it.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I know = their transmitters are capable of over 140% upward modulation even though t= he U.S. limit is 125%. Mike =C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:10 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0Hey Mike=E2=80=A6. Im using the onboard C-quam Card that came with the BE transmitter=E2=80=A6= . it sounds really good=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0 I also have The harris C-quam exciter =C2=A0on a Different station T= hat was Running a Harris DX-10=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0I now have it Connected to th= e Harris Gates One=E2=80=A6 It also sounds really Good=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0I hav= e 4 stations setup to Run CQuam.. Never had an Issue=E2=80=A6 Each has actu= ally passed FCC Field inspections.I must Be Doing it Right.=C2=A0 Neal On Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:52 PM, Mjgrant wrote: =20 Neal, =C2=A0 I assume you are referring to assymetrical and not sinusoidal peak modulati= on.=C2=A0 Does your BE tx use the 4M modulation system?=C2=A0 Theoretically= , such a transmitter could produce=C2=A0splatter free distortionless sinuso= idal supermodulation.=C2=A0=C2=A0The Federal Communication Commision might = even recognize your technical achievement with a citation. :) =C2=A0 Mike =C2=A0 =20 ---1624034222-1276365673-1395061732=:15037 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
asymetrical=E2=80=A6
  Between 120-125% Positive  = and 96-99% negative=E2=80=A6
Neal


On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:18 AM, Mjgrant <mjgrant@aol= .com> wrote:


Neal,
 
BE's 4-M modulation system has exceptional fidelity.  In principl= e, it can achieve negative supermodulation because it can do carrier revers= al. Whether BE implemented the capability in their DSP is another question = entirely.  When you mentioned 120% mono modulation I was wondering if = you meant asymetrical or sinusoidal modulation.   If you meant si= nusoidal, that would mean 120% negative peaks. 
 
I was just curious if BE implemented greater than !00% downward modula= tion capability.  Not that you would ever use it.    I = know their transmitters are capable of over 140% upward modulation even tho= ugh the U.S. limit is 125%.
Mike
 
= -----Original Message-----
From: Neal Newman <cozy659@yahoo.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:10 pm
Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation

 =20
 Hey Mike=E2=80=A6.
Im using the onboard C= -quam Card that came with the BE transmitter=E2=80=A6. it sounds really goo= d=E2=80=A6
  I also have The= harris C-quam exciter  on a Different station That was Running a Harr= is DX-10=E2=80=A6  I now have it Connected to the Harris Gates One=E2= =80=A6 It also sounds really Good=E2=80=A6  I have 4 stations setup to= Run CQuam.. Never had an Issue=E2=80=A6 Each has actually passed FCC Field= inspections.I must Be Doing it Right. 
Neal


On Saturday, March 15, 201= 4 3:52 PM, Mjgrant <mjgrant= @aol.com> wrote:


Neal,
 
I assume you are referring to assymetrical and not sinusoidal peak mod= ulation.  Does your BE tx use the 4M modulation system?  Theoreti= cally, such a transmitter could produce splatter free distortionless s= inusoidal supermodulation.  The Federal Communication Commision m= ight even recognize your technical achievement with a citation. :)
 
Mike


 




---1624034222-1276365673-1395061732=:15037-- From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 17 07:52:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: mjgrant@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40186 invoked by uid 102); 17 Mar 2014 14:52:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2014 14:52:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32099 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2014 14:52:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.109.207) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2014 14:52:38 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mbb02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbb02.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.112]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 75D00700444CB for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:52:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mrc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.185.77]) by mtaomg-mbb02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 252E43800008A for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:52:38 -0400 (EDT) References: <8D10E9F283FCE57-1C74-17E43@webmailstg-vd07.sysops.aol.com> <1395018639.70934.YahooMailNeo@web164601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8D10FBF57700ECE-AE0-1BD52@webmailstg-vd09.sysops.aol.com> <1395061732.15037.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1395061732.15037.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D11007AC8BC71A_1EE8_7872A_webmailstg-m03.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38442-STANDARD X-Received: from 107.34.207.59 by webmailstg-m03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.225.57) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:52:38 -0400 Message-Id: <8D11007AC765AB1-1EE8-1EF4A@webmailstg-m03.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:52:38 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe7053270c364b20 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mjgrant Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-Es-K3Lwae4hV1YEK1y2j1Jr2MRO-89d2FnUywOIKQxZ0mrlH65Qzl_ex3V56gUn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple ----------MB_8D11007AC8BC71A_1EE8_7872A_webmailstg-m03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" That's what I thought. Just wanted to be sure. The challenge is generating= a test signal with 1.25 to 1 positive to negative peaks with 0 dc-level th= at doesn't have a good deal of distortion, particularly high order. As the 4-M system is patented to BE, I don't know if our friend Juan's tran= smitter has similar capability. As I said, however, an asymetrically modul= ated AM signal sounds fine even in older, much older, radios. I am given t= o believe some adjustments and/or corrections are necessary. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:09 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation =20 asymetrical=E2=80=A6 Between 120-125% Positive and 96-99% negative=E2=80=A6 Neal On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:18 AM, Mjgrant wrote: Neal, =20 BE's 4-M modulation system has exceptional fidelity. In principle, it can = achieve negative supermodulation because it can do carrier reversal. Whethe= r BE implemented the capability in their DSP is another question entirely. = When you mentioned 120% mono modulation I was wondering if you meant asyme= trical or sinusoidal modulation. If you meant sinusoidal, that would mean= 120% negative peaks.=20=20 =20 I was just curious if BE implemented greater than !00% downward modulation = capability. Not that you would ever use it. I know their transmitters a= re capable of over 140% upward modulation even though the U.S. limit is 125= %. Mike =20 -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:10 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation =20=20 Hey Mike=E2=80=A6. Im using the onboard C-quam Card that came with the BE transmitter=E2=80=A6= . it sounds really good=E2=80=A6 I also have The harris C-quam exciter on a Different station That was Ru= nning a Harris DX-10=E2=80=A6 I now have it Connected to the Harris Gates = One=E2=80=A6 It also sounds really Good=E2=80=A6 I have 4 stations setup t= o Run CQuam.. Never had an Issue=E2=80=A6 Each has actually passed FCC Fiel= d inspections.I must Be Doing it Right.=20 Neal On Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:52 PM, Mjgrant wrote: Neal, =20 I assume you are referring to assymetrical and not sinusoidal peak modulati= on. Does your BE tx use the 4M modulation system? Theoretically, such a t= ransmitter could produce splatter free distortionless sinusoidal supermodul= ation. The Federal Communication Commision might even recognize your techn= ical achievement with a citation. :) =20 Mike =20 ----------MB_8D11007AC8BC71A_1EE8_7872A_webmailstg-m03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
That's what I thought.  Just wanted to be sure. The challenge is = generating a test signal with 1.25 to 1 positive to negative peaks with 0 d= c-level that doesn't have a good deal of distortion, particularly high orde= r.
 
As the 4-M system is patented to BE, I don't know if our friend Juan's= transmitter has similar capability.  As I said, however, an asymetric= ally modulated AM signal sounds fine even in older, much older, radios.&nbs= p; I am given to believe some adjustments and/or corrections are necessary.=
 
Mike


= -----Original Message-----
From: Neal Newman <cozy659@yahoo.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 8:09 am
Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation

 =20
asymetrical=E2=80=A6
  Between 120-125% P= ositive  and 96-99% negative=E2=80=A6
Neal


On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:18 A= M, Mjgrant <mjgrant@aol.com> w= rote:


Neal,
 
BE's 4-M modulation system has exceptional fidelity.  In principl= e, it can achieve negative supermodulation because it can do carrier revers= al. Whether BE implemented the capability in their DSP is another question = entirely.  When you mentioned 120% mono modulation I was wondering if = you meant asymetrical or sinusoidal modulation.   If you meant si= nusoidal, that would mean 120% negative peaks. 
 
I was just curious if BE implemented greater than !00% downward modula= tion capability.  Not that you would ever use it.    I = know their transmitters are capable of over 140% upward modulation even tho= ugh the U.S. limit is 125%.
Mike
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Newman <cozy659@yahoo.com>
To:= amstereoforum <amstere= oforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 8:10= pm
Subject: Re: {AMSF} 125% positive peaks modulation

=  =20
 Hey Mike=E2=80=A6.
Im using the onboard C-qu= am Card that came with the BE transmitter=E2=80=A6. it sounds really good= =E2=80=A6
  I also have The ha= rris C-quam exciter  on a Different station That was Running a Harris = DX-10=E2=80=A6  I now have it Connected to the Harris Gates One=E2=80= =A6 It also sounds really Good=E2=80=A6  I have 4 stations setup to Ru= n CQuam.. Never had an Issue=E2=80=A6 Each has actually passed FCC Field in= spections.I must Be Doing it Right. 
Neal


On Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:52= PM, Mjgrant <mjgrant@aol.com> wrote:


Neal,
 
I assume you are referring to assymetrical and not sinusoidal peak mod= ulation.  Does your BE tx use the 4M modulation system?  Theoreti= cally, such a transmitter could produce splatter free distortionless s= inusoidal supermodulation.  The Federal Communication Commision m= ight even recognize your technical achievement with a citation. :)
 
Mike


 




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I wonder if they are going AM S= TEREO also. I know its not a local for me but far as I am concerned more AM= STEREO stations the better some may come back in my area.=A0=A0 I am hopin= g that the FCC conceders my view mandating =A0that all AM music stations go= AM STEREO and mandate that all radios tuner and Walkmans=A0 that have FM S= TEREO also have=A0AM STEREO. Can they do those things? YES!!!! Will they do= those things? Hoo knows.=A0 Will it take them 33 years like AM STEREO its = self. God I hope not!!!!=A0=A0Jim Smith Yahoo sucks!!!!!!!!!! ---652553128-747642402-1398672714=:43243 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gang  On= e poster ask about WSM AM 650. I wonder if they are going AM STEREO also. I= know its not a local for me but far as I am concerned more AM STEREO stati= ons the better some may come back in my area.   I am hoping that = the FCC conceders my view mandating  th= at all AM music stations go AM STEREO and mandate that all radios tuner and= Walkmans  that have FM ST= EREO also have AM STEREO. Can they do those things? YES!!!! Will they = do those things? Hoo knows.  Will it take them= 33 years like AM STEREO its self. God I hope not!!!!  Jim= Smith Yahoo sucks!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi    Gang    Dose'nt = ; the forum have spam filters or dose Yahoo suck more than I thought. Jim S= mith Loomis Ca
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Hi Gang
It looks like the FCC  is going t= o do what they want with LPFM TX's for AM stations. That should help e= ven more people movie to FM. FCC said they where going drop the rachet law.= The sounds good. What I wanted them to do is mandate that all AM= music stations have C-QuAM . 15hrz day 10hrz night. And mandate = all FM STEREO radios walkmans  and tuners have AM STEREO. It dose'nt&n= bsp; look like those things are going to happen.   I also he= rd that FCC was in test mode with a AM station for HD radio only no an= alog. Its like they still don't get it. AM  iCRAP sucks!!!!  Jim = Smith
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Sat, 31 May 2014 22:53:23 -0400 Message-Id: <8D14B5BC9765791-1FE0-49FAB@webmail-m287.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 22:53:23 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a32b0538a95a316f6 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.108.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: New AM Stereo station in Modesto, CA ?? KMPH AM 840 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=YL2T-b3IdxtjmbU_Z9tCY474VZkmG_xdltCENh96-9gZKbZDs9P2 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 From: Todd Roberts ----------MB_8D14B5BC9823E6C_1FE0_F66E6_webmail-m287.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All, It is possible there is a station now running AM stereo in Modesto, CA KMPH= AM 840. =20 The official KMPH webpage states they are now broadcasting in ultramodern s= tereophonic sound. I have not contacted them yet to confirm if they are indeed broadcas= ting in C-Quam. =20 Here is a link to their official webpage with streaming audio : =20 http://www.kmph840.com/ They are broadcasting a format called American Graffiti oldies and it featu= res clips of Wolfman Jack plus lots of "cool" oldies. I wonder if there is anyone in here close enough to give them a listen? =20 73 Todd WD4NGG ----------MB_8D14B5BC9823E6C_1FE0_F66E6_webmail-m287.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hi All,
It is possible there is a station now running AM stereo in Modesto, CA= KMPH AM 840.
 
The official KMPH webpage states they are now broadcasting in ultramod= ern stereophonic
sound. I have not contacted them yet to confirm if they are indeed bro= adcasting in C-Quam.
 
Here is a link to their official webpage with streaming audio :
 
 
They are broadcasting a format called American Graffiti oldies and it = features clips of
Wolfman Jack plus lots of "cool" oldies.
 
I wonder if there is anyone in here close enough to give them a l= isten?
 
73 Todd WD4NGG
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That would be a = cool format, if true.  Hope it is. 
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Walt = w6ws
-----Original Message-----
From: "Todd Roberts toddroberts2001@aol.com [amstereoforum]"
Sent: May 31, 2014 7:53 PM
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {AMSF} New AM Stereo station in Modesto, CA ?? KMPH AM 840 ?



Hi All,
It is possible there is a station now running AM stereo in Modesto, CA= KMPH AM 840.
 
The official KMPH webpage states they are now broadcasting in ultramod= ern stereophonic
sound. I have not contacted them yet to confirm if they are indeed bro= adcasting in C-Quam.
 
Here is a link to their official webpage with streaming audio :
 
 
They are broadcasting a format called American Graffiti oldies and it = features clips of
Wolfman Jack plus lots of "cool" oldies.
 
I wonder if there is anyone in here close enough to give them a l= isten?
 
73 Todd WD4NGG


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u=364979611; y=jr7EJQWZZJWR3QOD2cZKuyzLgL2W3WOp2rSlzmgYuuvvtEK6D3px6mDc9_w_3IuSzBQWDD8C X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith --2044483418-1395683269-1403347811=:34002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 On Saturday, June 21, 2014 3:41 AM, jim smith = wrote: =20=20 =A0Hi Gang=A0=A0 I had found this to be very interesting that KSEG 96.9 FM = Sacramento Ca=A0=A0dose'nt=A0 streem to there lacal area which forces liste= ners to tune in to there local broadcast.=A0 I wished that more stations wo= uld do that espeshely AM music stations daring day time hours.=A0That is on= e of the things I had said to the FCC. 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 Hi Gang  = I had found this to be very interesting that KSEG 96.9 FM Sacramento Ca  dose'nt&= nbsp; streem to there lacal area which forces listeners to tune in to there= local broadcast.  I wished that more stations would do that espeshely= AM music stations daring day time hours. That is one of the things I = had said to the FCC. I wish that would be a mandate by the FCC. Jim Smith L= oomis Ca


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 Hi Gang   I had found this to be very in= teresting that KSEG 96.9 FM Sacramento Ca  dose'nt  streem t= o there lacal area which forces listeners to tune in to there local broadca= st.  I wished that more stations would do that espeshely AM music stat= ions daring day time hours. That is one of the things I had said to th= e FCC. I wish that would be a mandate by the FCC. Jim Smith Loomis Ca
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even i= n journalism format the of commercial and own sound sounds better Am stereo= .

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facebook Am Stereo: ht= tps://www.facebook.com/groups/385327984878627/


Em Sexta-feira,= 20 de Junho de 2014 14:21, "tpleztier@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amste= reoforum@yahoogroups.com> escreveu:

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I recently talked to the manager of the KRVN, 880 AM. In the indeterminate = future, KRVN is planning on purchasing a Nautel transmitter to replace thei= r Harris transmitter. If, I repeat IF, the owner of the station approves th= e expenditure of $170,000 for capital improvements to buy the new transmitt= er, the manager of KRVN is planning on broadcasting AM stereo. Although the= ir format is primarily talk, KRVN does occasionally broadcast music. Stay t= uned ...



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If you had an audio input jack to take the audio from a 2Meter rig and decode the digital stream, that would be a big bonus, or from an external SW tuner.
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YahooMailWebService/0.8.191.1 Message-ID: <1404893445.36155.YahooMailNeo@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 01:10:45 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-652553128-1440630380-1404893445=:36155" X-Originating-IP: 216.39.63.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Reply-To: jim smith Subject: AM STEREO vs. AM MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=9OaDrL0fLOkVPpAu_ASI-VCk60VRH8JW6Z3d-3Or9rwtWLsr3edNijYCuKeKWjQ2ZwQpktY- X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith ---652553128-1440630380-1404893445=:36155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang=A0 I kind of agree with=A0Scott=A0on this one that is if AM STEREO = has=A0any chance of a come back that is=A0if every FM STEREO needs to have = AM STEREO inclooded=A0 also. The FCC can make that happen and also mandate = that all AM music stations broadcast in AM STEREO.=A0 Its kind of you can't= have one with out the other.=A0 That's what happened=A0 in late 80's and a= nd early 90's thanks to the FCC. AM HD radio should be band from AM radio. = Those where the=A0main points I made to the FCC. It would be cool to have a= AM STEREO radio work like HD Radio as far=A0 as the screen read out with s= tation info and song tile.=A0Jim Smith ---652553128-1440630380-1404893445=:36155 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gang  I kind of agree with Scott = ;on this one that is if AM STEREO has any chance of a come back that i= s if every FM STEREO needs to have AM STEREO inclooded  also. The= FCC can make that happen and also mandate that all AM music stations broad= cast in AM STEREO.  Its kind of you can't have one with out the other.=   That's what happened  in late 80's and and early 90's thanks to= the FCC. AM HD radio should be band from AM radio. Those where the ma= in points I made to the FCC. It would be cool to have a AM STEREO radio wor= k like HD Radio as far  as the screen read out with station info and s= ong tile. Jim Smith
---652553128-1440630380-1404893445=:36155-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Jul 09 02:08:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21037 invoked by uid 102); 9 Jul 2014 09:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2014 09:08:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17180 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2014 09:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vc0-f180.google.com) (209.85.220.180) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2014 09:08:45 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id im17so6690394vcb.11 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 02:08:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.167.2 with SMTP id o2mr38153340vcy.8.1404896924835; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 02:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.51.67 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 02:08:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1404893445.36155.YahooMailNeo@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1404893445.36155.YahooMailNeo@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 17:08:44 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011618ce26a7dd04fdbf0ed5 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO vs. AM MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=0nMGUygKDe0Gk4rdRM52cxabvGVAEALxrHtC0R-CDKbGlDtO X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --089e011618ce26a7dd04fdbf0ed5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, you might be a little disappointed if you want to see widespread AM Stereo transmitters and receivers. If stations thought they could increase their advertising revenue by transmitting in stereo, they would do it. Likewise for the receivers. If consumers stopped buying shitty sounding receivers, then the market would effectively guide the manufacturers to include stereo on more models. Unfortunately, we are in a minority of people who care about these things. The other day, I was in the car with my folks who were listening to an AM station. It sounded like the music was being played through a telephone line on their car stereo (but sounds decent on a wideband receiver). They still listened to this station because they played 'good songs'. They don't question that this station sounded better in the car they had 20 years ago. I like your idea though and it's a good project for an enthusiast. I'm planning on writing a C-QAM encoder and decoder in C or C# just for fun. I'll let you know if I get anywhere :) Dan On 9 July 2014 16:10, jim smith jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > Hi Gang I kind of agree with Scott on this one that is if AM STEREO > has any chance of a come back that is if every FM STEREO needs to have AM > STEREO inclooded also. The FCC can make that happen and also mandate tha= t > all AM music stations broadcast in AM STEREO. Its kind of you can't have > one with out the other. That's what happened in late 80's and and early > 90's thanks to the FCC. AM HD radio should be band from AM radio. Those > where the main points I made to the FCC. It would be cool to have a AM > STEREO radio work like HD Radio as far as the screen read out with stati= on > info and song tile. Jim Smith > >=20=20 > --089e011618ce26a7dd04fdbf0ed5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jim,

you might be a little disappoin= ted if you want to see widespread AM Stereo transmitters and receivers. If = stations thought they could increase their advertising revenue by transmitt= ing in stereo, they would do it.

Likewise for the receivers. If consumers stopped buying= shitty sounding receivers, then the market would effectively guide the man= ufacturers to include stereo on more models.

Unfor= tunately, we are in a minority of people who care about these things. The o= ther day, I was in the car with my folks who were listening to an AM statio= n. It sounded like the music was being played through a telephone line on t= heir car stereo (but sounds decent on a wideband receiver). They still list= ened to this station because they played 'good songs'. They don'= ;t question that this station sounded better in the car they had 20 years a= go.

I like your idea though and it's a good project for= an enthusiast. I'm planning on writing a C-QAM encoder and decoder in = C or C# just for fun. I'll let you know if I get anywhere :)

Dan


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Hi Gang=C2=A0 I kind of agree with=C2=A0Scott=C2=A0on th= is one that is if AM STEREO has=C2=A0any chance of a come back that is=C2= =A0if every FM STEREO needs to have AM STEREO inclooded=C2=A0 also. The FCC= can make that happen and also mandate that all AM music stations broadcast= in AM STEREO.=C2=A0 Its kind of you can't have one with out the other.= =C2=A0 That's what happened=C2=A0 in late 80's and and early 90'= ;s thanks to the FCC. AM HD radio should be band from AM radio. Those where= the=C2=A0main points I made to the FCC. It would be cool to have a AM STER= EO radio work like HD Radio as far=C2=A0 as the screen read out with statio= n info and song tile.=C2=A0Jim Smith

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Hi Daniel  Yahoo sucks!!!!! It wont let respo= nd to your message on the forum!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not counting on the marke= t to make that happen!!!!  Rather the FCC should step up and= grow a pair and do what they so post to do and regulate the radi= o bands like they should. Jim Smith
---652553128-1072804229-1404960234=:37785-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Jul 09 23:16:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73154 invoked by uid 102); 10 Jul 2014 06:16:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m16.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2014 06:16:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19257 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2014 06:16:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vc0-f172.google.com) (209.85.220.172) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2014 06:16:55 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hy10so9701435vcb.3 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 23:16:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.229.162 with SMTP id sr2mr43455225vec.15.1404973015475; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 23:16:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.51.67 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 23:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:16:55 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6bd5c81adfc04fdd0c5f9 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO vs. AM MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=hB0HrI4Y1-Pm7ohyqCEGCZWK2CLvRTqmmiOPYmTQWSkZwtFK X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --047d7bd6bd5c81adfc04fdd0c5f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, what do you think are the reasons FM stereo succeeded without a mandate for stereo? Do you think it's because there is only one system? Dan On 10 July 2014 10:43, jim smith jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > Hi Daniel Yahoo sucks!!!!! It wont let respond to your message on the > forum!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not counting on the market to make that happen!!!= ! > Rather the FCC should step up and grow a pair and do what they so post to > do and regulate the radio bands like they should. Jim Smith > >=20=20 > --047d7bd6bd5c81adfc04fdd0c5f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jim,

what do you think are the reaso= ns FM stereo succeeded without a mandate for stereo? Do you think it's = because there is only one system?

Dan


On 10 July 2014 10:43, jim smith jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [am= stereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wro= te:
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Hi Daniel=C2=A0 Yahoo sucks!!!!! It wont let respond to = your message on the forum!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not counting on the market to m= ake that happen!!!!=C2=A0 Rather the FCC=C2=A0should step up=C2=A0and grow = a pair and do=C2=A0what they=C2=A0so post to do and regulate the radio band= s like they should. Jim Smith

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--047d7bd6bd5c81adfc04fdd0c5f9-- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 06:05:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53633 invoked by uid 102); 10 Jul 2014 13:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m16.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2014 13:05:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 869 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2014 13:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm30-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.123) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2014 13:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.100.118] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2014 13:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.160] by tm109.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2014 13:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2014 13:05:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 499341.93845.bm@omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 84823 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2014 13:05:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Y41ysvcVM1mBk3KXjr7CmuSzeig.1BDkL4EtxixVI0EDqLo glipz_8sDoDLZHQKvnzBkEOs8GuBvD5sPie1QZCLlg5VYgvyDlzSbaW1WXxt zfxkZwEdLPGYOlAxhaRR2SrnCBFd9AEajUgp2XtlHaXURKaG1Mn38m7KZpHs 286zBUFf3W4dcLGrME_YaSk0caRJCfdr.eMkGhvJPDTZ6iKL8FEnitpjs1gJ 12He3J8rkMKDgj3T2Wwctoei7adUm2RFB73u0u.FRK.E.XaJpziOF0oeUyht q53gHKSiFIhMuNhUJaUJtSjxq7yVpomQWkCsBP0J.VwFZo3Gd0CmRAtl555s Ueh9S6WSTeq2oMYeDfIvHBK13Ngoz0oXP7JtEvS4a7w0vcyr1UuRURfuEugq 2nDe5aBoo3dlJm0ub8k4yudyp7LtawHty3SZwgEhKmajln4aFakH4SIIzUG0 MuzUYhngVAG3jPvpp5FsJXy1OSguD0nPCEidOvn0bUoo.zQnF765nEfrloYJ _igxVQt2FK.0lKqw_PGUbUeGc9TEdMdr0tZMOGvr1uMjSsuZW5A6EK4x0kg- - X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web125502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 06:05:14 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,CgpGTSByYWRpbyB3YXMgaW4gdGhlIGhvcHBlciBmb3IgYSBsb25nIHRpbWU7IGl0IHRvb2sgc3RlcmVvIEZNIGZyb20gMTk2MSB0byAxOTc4IHRvIGNhdGNoLXVwIHdpdGggdGhlIEFNIHN0YXRpb25zLiBMZW9uYXJkIEthaG4gYXBwcm9hY2hlZCB0aGUgRkNDIGFib3V0IEFNIHN0ZXJlbyBiYWNrIHRoZW4gdG9vLCBidXQgdGhleSB3YW50ZWQgdG8gaGVscCBvdXQgdGhlIHN0cnVnZ2xpbmcgRk0gc3RhdGlvbnMuwqAgRk0gc3RhdGlvbnMgaW4gMTk3NiB3ZXJlIHN0aWxsIHJlZmVycmluZyB0byB0aGVtc2VsdmUBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.194.680 Message-ID: <1404997514.84430.YahooMailNeo@web125502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 06:05:14 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1546730761-1866876971-1404997514=:84430" X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Reply-To: John Subject: Re: AM STEREO vs. AM MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=u64udUnUtNOaZj7iOtlbSbzXXVvnn8yK7AhNjSa-VEBbt13m08A9Z_0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From: John ---1546730761-1866876971-1404997514=:84430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FM radio was in the hopper for a long time; it took stereo FM from 1961 to = 1978 to catch-up with the AM stations. Leonard Kahn approached the FCC abou= t AM stereo back then too, but they wanted to help out the struggling FM st= ations.=A0 FM stations in 1976 were still referring to themselves as "Stere= o 101" etc... to make note of the difference over AM.=A0 AM stereo needed t= o take flight in 1978 while still on parity with FM and still playing a lot= of music, and they needed a single standard.=A0 We 'might' have been bette= r off if the FCC just stuck with the original decision to make Magnavox the= standard as you had one type, and North American Philips/Magnavox could ha= ve included the feature on all their products.=A0 The advantage that Harris= , Motorola and Kahn had was that they could all make the AM stereo encoders= /modulators for the transmitters; plus Motorola could make their own chipse= ts back then; however,=A0none of them owned a receiver manufacturing plant, where Magnavox would have had an advantage there.=A0 Wish we could = go back and rewrite history; the only advantage is our one lone FCC commiss= ioner who is pushing for AM improvements within the next year, and a mandat= ory noise blanker, minimum bandwidth or FM Stereo =3D AM stereo rules for A= M would all be a big plus. Hopefully we'll see a nice bump upwards for AM i= n 2015 (and that means no HD-AM). 73 J ---1546730761-1866876971-1404997514=:84430 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FM radio was in t= he hopper for a long time; it took stereo FM from 1961 to 1978 to catch-up = with the AM stations. Leonard Kahn approached the FCC about AM stereo back = then too, but they wanted to help out the struggling FM stations.  FM = stations in 1976 were still referring to themselves as "Stereo 101" etc... = to make note of the difference over AM.  AM stereo needed to take flig= ht in 1978 while still on parity with FM and still playing a lot of music, = and they needed a single standard.  We 'might' have been better off if= the FCC just stuck with the original decision to make Magnavox the standar= d as you had one type, and North American Philips/Magnavox could have inclu= ded the feature on all their products.  The advantage that Harris, Motorola and Kahn had was that they could all make the AM stereo e= ncoders/modulators for the transmitters; plus Motorola could make their own= chipsets back then; however, none of them owned a receiver manufactur= ing plant, where Magnavox would have had an advantage there.  Wish we = could go back and rewrite history; the only advantage is our one lone FCC c= ommissioner who is pushing for AM improvements within the next year, and a = mandatory noise blanker, minimum bandwidth or FM Stereo =3D AM stereo rules= for AM would all be a big plus. Hopefully we'll see a nice bump upwards fo= r AM in 2015 (and that means no HD-AM).
73
J
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Hi Scott  No its not you Scott Yahoo is a POS= !!!  Its even wores sense they updated. Its new and uninproved. Ya&nbs= p; I am not holding my breath with the FCC . They are probly going to push = POS AM IBOC ever harder on us.Jim Smith
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My favorite AM station went from full frequency audio do= wn to about 5k, and lately it's cut off at around 2 or 3k, sounds like. &nb= sp;It's awful.  
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Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:48:15 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,V2l0aCBhbmFsb2cgVFYsIHRoZSBGQ0MgaGFkIGFscmVhZHkgcmVhbGl6ZWQgdGhleSBzY3Jld2VkLXVwIG9uIEFNIHN0ZXJlbywgc28gdGhleSBvbmx5IGhhZCAyIHN5c3RlbXMgdG8gY2hvb3NlIGZyb20sIGFuZCBJIHRoaW5rIGl0IHdhcyB0aGUgWmVuaXRoLXByb3BzZWQgc3lzdGVtLCBidXQgd2l0aCBzb21lIHNvcnQgb2YgRE1YIG5vaXNlIHJlZHVjdGlvbiBvciBzb21ldGhpbmcgYWRkZWQtaW4uIEFueWhvdywgdGhlIG5leHQgeWVhciBib3RoIGNvbnZlcnRlcnMgYW5kIFRWJ3Mgd2VyZSBhbHJlYWR5IG8BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.195.680 Message-ID: <1405799295.91292.YahooMailNeo@web125501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:48:15 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="329289550-1737105222-1405799295=:91292" X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Reply-To: John Subject: Re: AM STEREO vs. AM MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ejoLExVvt_VoGJd0Bs2wto6TTKsM33HuA6oph7y40l1g6mGodn1_KZI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From: John --329289550-1737105222-1405799295=:91292 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii With analog TV, the FCC had already realized they screwed-up on AM stereo, so they only had 2 systems to choose from, and I think it was the Zenith-propsed system, but with some sort of DMX noise reduction or something added-in. Anyhow, the next year both converters and TV's were already on the market for NTSC stereo TV's. John --329289550-1737105222-1405799295=:91292 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
With analog TV, the FCC had already realized they screwed-up on AM stereo, so they only had 2 systems to choose from, and I think it was the Zenith-propsed system, but with some sort of DMX noise reduction or something added-in. Anyhow, the next year both converters and TV's were already on the market for NTSC stereo TV's.
John
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Hi Gang  When they put TV STEREO on the air back in= 1984 it was still early on in the AM STEREO mess and yes the FCC picked th= e Zenith DBX TV STEREO system. I had bot a set top box from Radio Shack the= Realistic TV 100 TV STEREO tuner it had analog tuning like a radio. I had = also bot the Realistic TM 152 AM AM STEREO at the same time in 1986.&n= bsp; At least the FCC could have chosen the C-QuAM system back in the mid 8= 0"s when GM FORD and DODGE put it in there cars. Jim Smith
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Hi Daniel  Yahoo sucks!!!= !! It wont let respond to your message on the forum!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not c= ounting on the market to make that happen!!!!  Rather the FCC sho= uld step up and grow a pair and do what they so post to do a= nd regulate the radio bands like they should. Jim Smith




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Neto Silva Brasilia DF Em Domingo, 20 de Julho de 2014 23:50, "scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereofor= um]" escreveu: =20 That was tried- and failed!=C2=A0 I know because I was spearheading the pet= ition to the FCC with a lot of assistance from a station owner in SW Michig= an.=C2=A0 Even got a write-up and my picture in Radio World back in Aug. 20= 00, IIRC, because of it. Scott Todd=20 =20 --1004702107-250426981-1406034959=:952 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm waiting for my Tuner Denon 680 NA= B.

=
Neto Silva
Brasilia DF


Em Domingo, 20 de Julho de 2014 23:50, "scottn0bs= t@igenesis.us [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> escrev= eu:



That was tried- and failed!  I know because I was spearheading the pet= ition to the FCC with a lot of assistance from a station owner in SW Michig= an.  Even got a write-up and my picture in Radio World back in Aug. 20= 00, IIRC, because of it.

Scott Todd



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Hi Scott and gang .  I don't see good AM = radios volentairly mass made by radio manufacters unforcently. Like no= rmal they are rair and hard to find.  If better standerds where mandat= ed by the FCC better AM radios would be mass made and be more commin. Jim S= mith
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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll chime in on the format wars. Sticking with one would have helped. The = lawsuits kept the really cool multisystem Sony Receivers out of the USA and= only for sale in Canada and in Oz. The STR-AV470 was an awesome multimode = AM stereo dual bandwidth receiver, BUT you could only get it in Canada, no = the USA - I'm assuming that was because of dear old Uncle Leonard. Had they stuck on a single standard in 1978, at least there would have been= a ton more AM stereo receivers - now whether or not the manufacturers on t= he transmitter end would have been as prolific as Motorola flooding the mar= ket with CQUAM exciters or not, we'll never know. The USA had only the two Sony portables (SRF-A100 and SRF-A1) that were mul= timode and had to wait years for an anemic too-late release of the SRF-42. = I have to give kudos to GM/Delco for the UX-1 Cquam=A0and especially Chrysl= er for including AM stereo on EVERY FM stereo radio from 1985-1989. That pu= t lots of CQUAMs in the soccer=A0Mom=A0minivans for stereo broadcasts of Ra= dio Disney! If only I had a DeLorean that could reach 88MPH and go back to 1985 and cha= nge the AM stereo situation with Marty McFly!=A0 --318864283-498787315-1406735570=:78438 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll chime in on = the format wars. Sticking with one would have helped. The lawsuits kept the= really cool multisystem Sony Receivers out of the USA and only for sale in= Canada and in Oz. The STR-AV470 was an awesome multimode AM stereo dual ba= ndwidth receiver, BUT you could only get it in Canada, no the USA - I'm ass= uming that was because of dear old Uncle Leonard.
Had they stuck = on a single standard in 1978, at least there would have been a ton more AM = stereo receivers - now whether or not the manufacturers on the transmitter = end would have been as prolific as Motorola flooding the market with CQUAM = exciters or not, we'll never know.
The USA had only the two Sony = portables (SRF-A100 and SRF-A1) that were multimode and had to wait years for an anemic too-late release of the SRF-42. I have to give kudos t= o GM/Delco for the UX-1 Cquam and especially Chrysler for including AM= stereo on EVERY FM stereo radio from 1985-1989. That put lots of CQUAMs in= the soccer Mom minivans for stereo broadcasts of Radio Disney!

If only I had a DeLorean that could reach 88MPH and= go back to 1985 and change the AM stereo situation with Marty McFly! =
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re: AM STEREO vs  AM MONO  Thank you Tom= !!!!  That's what I have been saying!!! Jim Simth
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We need to pester FCC commissioner Pai as he is the only one who gives a rats' arse about trying to help save the AM band.

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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I was trying to get C.CRANE to sell our AMAX am-stereo tuner with FM too. B= ut they says, to small market. Many millions in USA living in an area were = an AMAX is on the air. =A0 Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 www.radiosyd.eu ---1437147565-445481047-1408002802=:37852 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks,

I was trying to get C.CRANE to sell our AMAX am-stereo = tuner with FM too. But they says, to small market. Many millions in USA liv= ing in an area were an AMAX is on the air.
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Bests from
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---1437147565-445481047-1408002802=:37852-- From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 14 16:03:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23181 invoked by uid 102); 14 Aug 2014 23:03:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2014 23:03:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29952 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2014 23:03:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.83) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2014 23:03:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 23:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.100.115] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 23:00:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.166] by tm106.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 23:00:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.240] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 23:00:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 23:00:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 171900.21461.bm@omp1011.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 65865 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2014 23:00:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qcmqGpYVM1nZsokP11DAwRDvpSMU5OR6L_XOt90B.f52Pnz hdk1qwDhTBWsSAK20N3FJK1.9Se7YZuaAMAD5Xgzhh3HF3py9SiAp.TFqpbg HyD0KtYHIyUGw4xHTPCCIiZeZrGQdQ5Pc6OADnINhQBgycPhUV4RD8B3eKq0 B8X2FWrqiug2oMjaMR48axdQKpx8mRJZx2DcNv4q_2NVewaqNYEFf.IaQWFe 0Ctjdk2.9ZLBGkQk9GRnrgjc0lGdTExtFr0ss2_9y_1AHGuLrMxVJvVQFhrD WNW5IFv9nhD75EuaVNolQjM7zttu6EoFwIT4WP26CLdD.7FEbpZg7btQNDHc 5C2sSCZL59uWnxrlBU2i1g3.htpJIPtp9GbcKmmTxl3auD0nngKcQQW3F5oA 5SY5H4prNvc2XnV.Bwx_6E3In62UT68Pf72F2j6gUmSNP_vMw4W_PUwRGOps 02lEovlUYFkWIsebkE7mIvCqU4r3bMqyGwR5q83MS_APCD4R7E8stOHLpMwb PIZdPchztPIVw5sG72SgotofaimTLSo2nLsO07aaJl_Hx_.llNwP.B.2UJG6 sOF.2j8Gt6cVWg3UED6hFriJhAGI- X-Received: from [104.9.172.6] by web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:00:37 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SGkgSm9obiBJIGxpa2XCoCB0aGF0IFBhbGkgY2FyZXMgYnV0IHNvbWUgb2YgdGhlIEZDQydzwqBpZGVhcyBhcmUgYmFkIGZvciB0aGUgQU0gYmFuZC4gTGlrZcKgSUJPQyB3YXMgb25lIGFuZCBhbm90aGVyIGlzwqAgc2ltdWxjYXN0aW5nIEFNIHN0YXRpb25zIG9uIEZNIGlzIGJhZCBhbHNvIGJlY2F1c2Ugb2YgZnVydGhlciBtaWdyYXRpb24gdG8gdGhlIEZNIGJhbmQuIEppbSBTbWl0aAoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.201.700 Message-ID: <1408057237.33360.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:00:37 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1117048611-556092518-1408057237=:33360" X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.30 Reply-To: jim smith Subject: Hi John X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=hdbnu6m3455aMq7Hw46rHMPyhei8sG95JNIul3TXKwbVNdqlneg1-3RSOsz3qbIJMo8jqGHB X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith ---1117048611-556092518-1408057237=:33360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John I like=A0 that Pali cares but some of the FCC's=A0ideas are bad for= the AM band. Like=A0IBOC was one and another is=A0 simulcasting AM station= s on FM is bad also because of further migration to the FM band. Jim Smith ---1117048611-556092518-1408057237=:33360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John I like  that Pali cares but some of the FCC= 's ideas are bad for the AM band. Like IBOC was one and another i= s  simulcasting AM stations on FM is bad also because of further migra= tion to the FM band. Jim Smith
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Hi Guys,
Better receivers are a good idea, but we also need to get rid of IBOC.  Even the best receiver extracts nothing but lo-fi on it,plus a lot of noise for your trouble.
Speaking of noise, this another area that needs addressing.  Devices like televisions, smart meters, PCs, swirly bulbs etc, are discouraging so many from even going near the AM dial.
These devices (and any others causing interference) need to be filtered to protect AM radio communications.  (FM too, now that I think about it)  Even AC power lines are suspect nowadays.
After losing all power after H'cane Sandy, I had the best AM reception IN YEARS!
Just sayin'.
Have agreat day
Joe R.
 
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Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO vs. AM MONO

 
Hi folks,
 
I was trying to get C.CRANE to sell our AMAX am-stereo tuner with FM too. But they says, to small market. Many millions in USA living in an area were an AMAX is on the air.
 
 
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X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO vs. AM MONO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=E7Qu1HN9tQeXVbc6vtoH7U4YhNZioaA1lrSRy1zIY7rCxwrVkjON X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Hi Guys,
Thank you Scott for mentioning this to the FCC.  Maybe something will sink into their heads.  As for checking power lines, I would really like to see this applied.  I think a lot of folks would be suprised.
Have a good day,
Joe R.
 
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From: "scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO vs. AM MONO


>Speaking of noise, this another area that needs addressing.  Devices like televisions, smart meters, PCs, swirly bulbs etc, are discouraging so many from even going near the AM dial.<BINGO!  I made sure to mention that when the FCC had its AM improvement comments filing window open.  I can't believe they're not going after all of this when it seems like such low-hanging fruit.  But then the FCC seems to care more about "public files", tower lighting and AM tower fencing.  The latter two are important, but it wouldn't take a genius to enforce the others.  The FCC has fined power companies for noisy lines.  How about when sending the inspectors out to check station compliance they carry a field intensity meter for checking power lines along the way?Scott Todd
 
From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 16 01:36:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73765 invoked by uid 102); 16 Aug 2014 08:35:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2014 08:35:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27492 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2014 08:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm49.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.81) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2014 08:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm49.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2014 08:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm49.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2014 08:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.166] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2014 08:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.237] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2014 08:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2014 08:32:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 734185.4063.bm@omp1008.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 97116 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Aug 2014 08:32:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: C5FXKQgVM1lEQbb3WJCfcg7_vfKMq_XvlP6nFmCEaqA5SbM DV0SuP1uI7sCnrN8jHpcSbBqW2i.LlmHVDu4_cD9WJqvdzaY14gxX.GH2PWJ NL0.zUYrksgwaBtSuBZ3LxfaKmFOjUr_UMzNGcN7p_SPkrv_Ef0MaCfIO4rB ETRbJfmHgbG05IzeunobvJ42T9iMNQcGE6aMjwK6fuRlwueQ2rvsUzU_WkIY 5iisvSZwKaDqw3lF6ZVakWY4OQ_AjtMOVVxTnBJITJ5d9hl1lvxO0txCMWIb CAc2VJRg8l7lfhOzeG3FdoVMgOCv1DBIP7g.E9_Kwj7kvkcOu5wwAuRNAkMf qsReZqIYzJHLdMR1qgDVPap28X.slkcOX41HNSzNFzd6s4cZVA.kGrC_HCNu YhkOrKL747fZ6aXt3DUGnrizoDH7lkQK8xBIzVF0fHSK6DqhVmQZxnxmmvFe Wxb_IB85qKiYzzBm3qYSmnbJ_4hzFMxksA6i.h03Bv.o9ClN2Gub9WhWN6vG M7s1cmaJfP5BC9X52SQZ1BSrd2mGe7FQJrk4glNF3ehEtMn3DNlmUFUDwX84 lZSW7YWdALobgJcPfKzsb94nWx6bAE1g- X-Received: from [104.9.172.6] by web181001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 01:32:56 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,RXZlcnkgb25lIGtub3dzIHRoZSBzdG9yeSBhYm91dCB0aGUgbWlncmF0aW9uIHRvIEZNIGluIHRoZSA3MCdzLiBGTSBTVEVSRU8gcmFkaW9zIHdoZXJlIG1hc3MgbWFkZSBzbyB0aGV5IHdoZXJlIGVhenkgZmluZSBhbmQgYnV5LiBUaGVyZSB3aGVyZSBzdGlsbCBnb29kIGZvcm1hdHMgb24gQU0gYnV0IHRoZSBiZXR0ZXIgc291bmRpbmcgRk0gU1RFUkVPIHJhZGlvcyB3aGVyZSBtb3JlIGRpc2lyZXJkLiBBbmQgYXQgdGhlIHRpbWUgRk0gaGFkIGxlc3Mgb2YgYSBjb21lcnNoYWxsIGxvYWQgdG8uIFRoYXQncyABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.201.700 Message-ID: <1408177976.53743.YahooMailNeo@web181001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 01:32:56 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1931235808-674776878-1408177976=:53743" X-Originating-IP: 98.138.120.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Reply-To: jim smith Subject: Migration to FM in the 70's and 80's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=kpnTTd0kM3PLA9j8UBvHBG7EWigoQwZ2NkbioMTM8w1pkE49PjV5INehp9D1Tg1_3r4DPP-d X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith --1931235808-674776878-1408177976=:53743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Every one knows the story about the migration to FM in the 70's. FM STEREO = radios where mass made so they where eazy fine and buy. There where still g= ood formats on AM but the better sounding FM STEREO radios where more disir= erd. And at the time FM had less of a comershall load to. That's why FM STE= REO did so well and AM STEREO's where still hard to fine and =A0buy and tha= t's why AM STEREO did and is=A0doing so bad. Like I and Tom wrote if there = is not going to be any AM STEREO mandates from TX to RX the AM band mite go= dark like up north. Jim Smith Miss AM STEREO greatly --1931235808-674776878-1408177976=:53743 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Every one knows the story about the migration to FM in t= he 70's. FM STEREO radios where mass made so they where eazy fine and buy. = There where still good formats on AM but the better sounding FM STEREO radi= os where more disirerd. And at the time FM had less of a comershall load to= . That's why FM STEREO did so well and AM STEREO's where still hard to fine= and  buy and that's why AM STEREO did and is doing so bad. Like = I and Tom wrote if there is not going to be any AM STEREO mandates from TX = to RX the AM band mite go dark like up north. Jim Smith Miss AM STEREO grea= tly
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=Y_La5iD5Ep_KrWheo9wQQMERaUYZ75CZVpWEMA1HjEdzrRga X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --bcaec51d255e7e6b330500f26459 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi gents, yes. I was thinnking that if we had access to the IF signal, we could do the decoding in SOFTWARE. ie. RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)---->IF--->(ADC)---->(Android software demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card Unfortunately (and I'm not completely sure about this), I think the only access Android has to the radio hardware is more rudimentary stuff like 'Select band', 'Choose frequency', 'Scan' etc. The hardware probably only outputs the demodulated audio. Outsource, yes we can listen to the web feed but it's not as much fun and it eats into your data. I thought it would be a fun project to try to demodulate AM in software using a real life over the air signal. A car stereo has the hardware required for this (most phones have FM only), it just depends what stage of the signal the software has access to. Cheers On 19 August 2014 01:30, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > This should be great!!! > But... I wonder... Why we still don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, > better, hehehe), AM Stereo decoding software (or App) to any standard > desktop PC, laptop, tablet, Cell phone, etc.? ??? > I'm still thinking there is some kind of campaign against the AM > technology from the tuner manufacturers. > That's my point. > God bless you all!!!!!!! > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, ho= pe and > love to anyone. > >=20=20 > --bcaec51d255e7e6b330500f26459 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi gents,

yes. I was thinnking that if = we had access to the IF signal, we could do the decoding in SOFTWARE.
=

ie.

RF---->(Antenna)---->= ;(Frequency translator)---->IF--->(ADC)---->(Android software demo= d)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card

Unfortunately (and I'm not completely sure about th= is), I think the only access Android has to the radio hardware is more rudi= mentary stuff like 'Select band', 'Choose frequency', '= Scan' etc. The hardware probably only outputs the demodulated audio.

Outsource, yes we can listen to the web feed but it'= ;s not as much fun and it eats into your data. I thought it would be a fun = project to try to demodulate AM in software using a real life over the air = signal. A car stereo has the hardware required for this (most phones have F= M only), it just depends what stage of the signal the software has access t= o.

Cheers


On 19 August 2014 01:30, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] &= lt;amste= reoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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This should be great!!!

But... I wonder... Why = we still don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, better, hehehe), AM St= ereo decoding software (or App) to any standard desktop PC, laptop, tablet,= Cell phone, etc.? ???
I'm still thinking there is some kind of campaign again= st the AM technology from the tuner manufacturers.
Tha= t's my point.
God bless you all!!!!!!!
Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
From Curic= =C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, hope and love = to anyone.

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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=443830900; y=Zcw4Sa6zh2E7RzQPrplndEHBjVL9LIj_yQ8v_ZPENwBw1-75P8A X-Yahoo-Profile: outsource73 From: Morgan Robert ---600603132-1543980827-1408421430=:98980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I'm reading your block diagram correctly, your approach digitizes the en= tire IF composite signal then demodulates it to stereo audio primarily usin= g software and a soundcard.=20 I'm thinking a hardware device would need to decode the composite IF while = it was still in its native analog stage and then produce two baseband audio= signals L+R and L-R, before any digital signal processing could be put int= o effect to produce stereo audio. Let me suggest that C-QuAM was not designed for direct digital conversion. = The baseband audio signals are naturally 'clocked' to and by their respecti= ve RF carriers, with L+R clocked to the in phase carrier and L-R clocked to= the quadrature carrier, which by definition is operating 90 degrees later.= C-QuAM does not provide a sync signal which can be conveniently relied upo= n for direct digital sampling. =C2=A0=20 I suspect this revision of your block sequence would work. RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency=20 translator)---->IF--->C-QuAM decoder-->(ADC)---->(Android software=20 demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:39 PM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com [= amstereoforum]" wrote: =20 =C2=A0=20 Hi gents, yes. I was thinnking that if we had access to the IF signal, we could do th= e decoding in SOFTWARE. ie. RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)---->IF--->(ADC)---->(Android so= ftware demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card Unfortunately (and I'm not completely sure about this), I think the only ac= cess Android has to the radio hardware is more rudimentary stuff like 'Sele= ct band', 'Choose frequency', 'Scan' etc. The hardware probably only output= s the demodulated audio. Outsource, yes we can listen to the web feed but it's not as much fun and i= t eats into your data. I thought it would be a fun project to try to demodu= late AM in software using a real life over the air signal. A car stereo has= the hardware required for this (most phones have FM only), it just depends= what stage of the signal the software has access to. Cheers On 19 August 2014 01:30, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: =20 >=C2=A0=20 >This should be great!!! >But... I wonder... Why we still don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, be= tter, hehehe), AM Stereo decoding software (or App) to any standard desktop= PC, laptop, tablet, Cell phone, etc.? ??? >I'm still thinking there is some kind of campaign against the AM technolog= y from the tuner manufacturers. >That's my point. >God bless you all!!!!!!! >Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra >From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, hop= e and love to anyone. ---600603132-1543980827-1408421430=:98980 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If I'm reading your block diagram correctly, your approach di= gitizes the entire IF composite signal then demodulates it to stereo audio = primarily using software and a soundcard.

I'm thinking a hardware device would need to decode the composite I= F while it was still in its native analog stage and then produce two baseba= nd audio signals L+R and L-R, before any digital signal processing could be= put into effect to produce stereo audio.

Let me suggest that C-QuAM was not designed for direct di= gital conversion. The baseband audio signals are naturally 'clocked' to and= by their respective RF carriers, with L+R clocked to the in phase carrier = and L-R clocked to the quadrature carrier, which by definition is operating= 90 degrees later. C-QuAM does not provide a sync signal which can be convenie= ntly relied upon for direct digital sampling.  

I suspect this= revision of your block sequence would work.

RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency=20 translator)---->IF--->C-QuAM decoder-->(ADC)---->(Android softw= are=20 demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card



On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:39 PM, "Danie= l Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogro= ups.com> wrote:


 
=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20
Hi gents,

yes. I was thinnking that if we had access to the IF signal, we could= do the decoding in SOFTWARE.

ie.

RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)----&= gt;IF--->(ADC)---->(Android software demod)--->Digital Audio-->= Sound card

<= div style=3D"" class=3D"">Unfortunately (and I'm not completely sure about = this), I think the only access Android has to the radio hardware is more ru= dimentary stuff like 'Select band', 'Choose frequency', 'Scan' etc. The har= dware probably only outputs the demodulated audio.

<= div style=3D"" class=3D"">Outsource, yes we can listen to the web feed but = it's not as much fun and it eats into your data. I thought it would be a fu= n project to try to demodulate AM in software using a real life over the ai= r signal. A car stereo has the hardware required for this (most phones have= FM only), it just depends what stage of the signal the software has access= to.

<= div style=3D"" class=3D"">Cheers


On 19 August 2014 01:30, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereo= forum] <amst= ereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20
This should be great!!!
But... I wonder... Why we st= ill don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, better, hehehe), AM Stereo deco= ding software (or App) to any standard desktop PC, laptop, tablet, Cell pho= ne, etc.? ???
I'm still think= ing there is some kind of campaign against the AM technology from the tuner= manufacturers.
That's my point.
God bless you all!!!!!!!
Juan Jes= =C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
From Curic=C3=B3, Ch= ile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, hope and love to anyone.=
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---600603132-1543980827-1408421430=:98980-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 22:49:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27742 invoked by uid 102); 19 Aug 2014 05:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2014 05:49:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5591 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2014 05:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vc0-f181.google.com) (98.139.170.166) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2014 05:49:08 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id lf12so6964255vcb.12 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:49:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.26.206 with SMTP id n14mr3964532vdg.0.1408427348399; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:49:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.9.71 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:49:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1408421430.98980.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1408421430.98980.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:49:08 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3079bd4ecb1e7e0500f50b6d X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.181 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on Android? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=KpivsYm-c2XBwtXKWVlffvM5bxTQLnLma1R5JafPgapo4qIj X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --20cf3079bd4ecb1e7e0500f50b6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Morgan, I was thinking of using the digitized IF. If we had access to the L - R, then it would already be an AM stereo radio. I was assuming that the radio isn't already stereo. C-QUAM can be decoded in the digital domain by software. Please see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpGPqSAz-LBw Cheers, Dan On 19 August 2014 12:10, Morgan Robert outsource73@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > If I'm reading your block diagram correctly, your approach digitizes the > entire IF composite signal then demodulates it to stereo audio primarily > using software and a soundcard. > > I'm thinking a hardware device would need to decode the composite IF whil= e > it was still in its native analog stage and then produce two baseband aud= io > signals L+R and L-R, before any digital signal processing could be put in= to > effect to produce stereo audio. > > Let me suggest that C-QuAM was not designed for direct digital conversion= . > The baseband audio signals are naturally 'clocked' to and by their > respective RF carriers, with L+R clocked to the in phase carrier and L-R > clocked to the quadrature carrier, which by definition is operating 90 > degrees later. C-QuAM does not provide a sync signal which can be > conveniently relied upon for direct digital sampling. > > I suspect this revision of your block sequence would work. > > RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)---->IF--->C-QuAM > decoder-->(ADC)---->(Android software demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound car= d > > > > > On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:39 PM, "Daniel Piccoli > piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" > wrote: > > > > Hi gents, > > yes. I was thinnking that if we had access to the IF signal, we could do > the decoding in SOFTWARE. > > ie. > > RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)---->IF--->(ADC)---->(Android > software demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card > > Unfortunately (and I'm not completely sure about this), I think the only > access Android has to the radio hardware is more rudimentary stuff like > 'Select band', 'Choose frequency', 'Scan' etc. The hardware probably only > outputs the demodulated audio. > > Outsource, yes we can listen to the web feed but it's not as much fun and > it eats into your data. I thought it would be a fun project to try to > demodulate AM in software using a real life over the air signal. A car > stereo has the hardware required for this (most phones have FM only), it > just depends what stage of the signal the software has access to. > > Cheers > > > On 19 August 2014 01:30, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] < > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > This should be great!!! > But... I wonder... Why we still don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, > better, hehehe), AM Stereo decoding software (or App) to any standard > desktop PC, laptop, tablet, Cell phone, etc.? ??? > I'm still thinking there is some kind of campaign against the AM > technology from the tuner manufacturers. > That's my point. > God bless you all!!!!!!! > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, ho= pe and > love to anyone. > > > > >=20=20=20=20 > --20cf3079bd4ecb1e7e0500f50b6d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Morgan,

I was thinking of using the = digitized IF. If we had access to the L - R, then it would already be an AM= stereo radio. I was assuming that the radio isn't already stereo.

C-QUAM can be decoded in the digital domain by software= . Please see=C2=A0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpGPqSAz-LBw

Cheers,
Dan


On 19 August 2014 12:10, Morgan Robert outsource73@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <= ;amstere= oforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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If I'm reading your block diagram correctly, your approach digi= tizes the entire IF composite signal then demodulates it to stereo audio pr= imarily using software and a soundcard.

I'm thinking a hardware device would need to decode the composite I= F while it was still in its native analog stage and then produce two baseba= nd audio signals L+R and L-R, before any digital signal processing could be= put into effect to produce stereo audio.

Let me suggest that C-QuAM was not designed for direct digital conversi= on. The baseband audio signals are naturally 'clocked' to and by th= eir respective RF carriers, with L+R clocked to the in phase carrier and L-= R clocked to the quadrature carrier, which by definition is operating 90 degrees later. C-QuAM does not provide a sync signal which can be convenie= ntly relied upon for direct digital sampling. =C2=A0

I suspect this= revision of your block sequence would work.

RF---->(Antenna)----= >(Frequency=20 translator)---->IF--->C-QuAM decoder-->(ADC)---->(Android softw= are=20 demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card



On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:39 PM= , "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroup= s.com> wrote:


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Hi gents,

yes. I w= as thinnking that if we had access to the IF signal, we could do the decodi= ng in SOFTWARE.

ie.

RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)---->IF---&g= t;(ADC)---->(Android software demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card=

Unfortunately (and I'm not completel= y sure about this), I think the only access Android has to the radio hardwa= re is more rudimentary stuff like 'Select band', 'Choose freque= ncy', 'Scan' etc. The hardware probably only outputs the demodu= lated audio.

Outsource, yes we can listen to the web = feed but it's not as much fun and it eats into your data. I thought it = would be a fun project to try to demodulate AM in software using a real lif= e over the air signal. A car stereo has the hardware required for this (mos= t phones have FM only), it just depends what stage of the signal the softwa= re has access to.

Cheers


On 19 August 2014 01:30, jota= pe1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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This should be great!!!
But... I wonder... = Why we still don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, better, hehehe), A= M Stereo decoding software (or App) to any standard desktop PC, laptop, tab= let, Cell phone, etc.? ???
I'm still thinking there is some kind of campaign again= st the AM technology from the tuner manufacturers.
Tha= t's my point.
God bless you all!!!!!!!
Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
From Curic= =C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, hope and love = to anyone.
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=443830900; y=Ma5GAzm2FhVXCXRBpo3sCJhjdCr-dNMD_f5z634YvwredEWTTcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: outsource73 From: Morgan Robert ---600603132-552138820-1408436147=:98723 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From what I recall, every standard mono AM radio provides both the L+R and = the L-R at its IF stage from a C-QuAM broadcast. This means L-R is exists i= n every AM radio.=20 It is this composite IF signal that is forwarded to the C-QuAM decoder chip= and in turn comes out as either baseband audio L+R and L-R or as the final= stereo L and R channels. The composite IF signal would become unreliable for stereo audio if you dig= itized it before C-QuAM decoding it. =C2=A0 This combined digital rendering= will not lend itself to de-multiplexing correctly. You'd end up with mono = audio that perhaps some pseudo stereo effects. It would be unstable. It is best to decode a C-QuAM signal in its native analog then digitize the= two signals either as L+R and L-R then use DSP to de-multiplex or take the= stereo audio directly from the decoder and digitally process it from there= . A Software Defined Radio still needs an analog decoder section to receive a= nd demodulate C-QuAM properly.=20 On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:49 AM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com= [amstereoforum]" wrote: =20 =C2=A0=20 Hi Morgan, I was thinking of using the digitized IF. If we had access to the L - R, th= en it would already be an AM stereo radio. I was assuming that the radio is= n't already stereo. C-QUAM can be decoded in the digital domain by software. Please see=C2=A0ht= tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpGPqSAz-LBw Cheers, Dan On 19 August 2014 12:10, Morgan Robert outsource73@yahoo.com [amstereoforum= ] wrote: =20 >=C2=A0=20 >If I'm reading your block diagram correctly, your approach digitizes the e= ntire IF composite signal then demodulates it to stereo audio primarily usi= ng software and a soundcard.=20 > >I'm thinking a hardware device would need to decode the composite IF while= it was still in its native analog stage and then produce two baseband audi= o signals L+R and L-R, before any digital signal processing could be put in= to effect to produce stereo audio. > >Let me suggest that C-QuAM was not designed for direct digital conversion.= The baseband audio signals are naturally 'clocked' to and by their respect= ive RF carriers, with L+R clocked to the in phase carrier and L-R clocked t= o the quadrature carrier, which by definition is operating 90 degrees later. C-QuAM does not provide a sync signal which can be convenie= ntly relied upon for direct digital sampling. =C2=A0=20 > >I suspect this revision of your block sequence would work. > >RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency=20 translator)---->IF--->C-QuAM decoder-->(ADC)---->(Android software=20 demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card > > > > > > >On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:39 PM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com = [amstereoforum]" wrote: >=20 > > >=C2=A0=20 >Hi gents, > > >yes. I was thinnking that if we had access to the IF signal, we could do t= he decoding in SOFTWARE. > > >ie. > > >RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)---->IF--->(ADC)---->(Android s= oftware demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card > > >Unfortunately (and I'm not completely sure about this), I think the only a= ccess Android has to the radio hardware is more rudimentary stuff like 'Sel= ect band', 'Choose frequency', 'Scan' etc. The hardware probably only outpu= ts the demodulated audio. > > >Outsource, yes we can listen to the web feed but it's not as much fun and = it eats into your data. I thought it would be a fun project to try to demod= ulate AM in software using a real life over the air signal. A car stereo ha= s the hardware required for this (most phones have FM only), it just depend= s what stage of the signal the software has access to. > > >Cheers > > > >On 19 August 2014 01:30, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > >=20 >>=C2=A0=20 >>This should be great!!! >>But... I wonder... Why we still don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, b= etter, hehehe), AM Stereo decoding software (or App) to any standard deskto= p PC, laptop, tablet, Cell phone, etc.? ??? >>I'm still thinking there is some kind of campaign against the AM technolo= gy from the tuner manufacturers. >>That's my point. >>God bless you all!!!!!!! >>Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra >>From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, ho= pe and love to anyone. > > > ---600603132-552138820-1408436147=:98723 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From what I recall, every standard mono AM radio p= rovides both the L+R and the L-R at its IF stage from a C-QuAM broadcast. T= his means L-R is exists in every AM radio.

It is this composite IF = signal that is forwarded to the C-QuAM decoder chip and in turn comes out a= s either baseband audio L+R and L-R or as the final stereo L and R channels= .

The composite IF signal would become unreliable for stereo audio i= f you digitized it before C-QuAM decoding it.   This combined digital = rendering will not lend itself to de-multiplexing correctly. You'd end up w= ith mono audio that perhaps some pseudo stereo effects. It would be unstabl= e.

It is best to decode a C-QuAM signal in its native analog then di= gitize the two signals either as L+R and L-R then use DSP to de-multiplex or take the stereo audio directly from the decoder and digita= lly process it from there.

A Software Defined Radio still needs an a= nalog decoder section to receive and demodulate C-QuAM properly.




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On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:49 AM, "Daniel Picco= li piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com= > wrote:


 
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Hi Morgan,

I was t= hinking of using the digitized IF. If we had access to the L - R, then it w= ould already be an AM stereo radio. I was assuming that the radio isn't alr= eady stereo.

C-QUAM can be decoded in the digital dom= ain by software. Please see https://= www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpGPqSAz-LBw

Cheers,
Dan

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On 19 August 201= 4 12:10, Morgan Robert outsource73@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereo= forum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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If I'm reading your block diagram correctly, your approach digitizes= the entire IF composite signal then demodulates it to stereo audio primari= ly using software and a soundcard.

I'm thinking a hardware device would need to decode the = composite IF while it was still in its native analog stage and then produce= two baseband audio signals L+R and L-R, before any digital signal processi= ng could be put into effect to produce stereo audio.

Let me suggest that C-QuAM was not designed for direct d= igital conversion. The baseband audio signals are naturally 'clocked' to an= d by their respective RF carriers, with L+R clocked to the in phase carrier= and L-R clocked to the quadrature carrier, which by definition is operatin= g 90 degrees later. C-QuAM does not provide a sync signal which can be convenie= ntly relied upon for direct digital sampling.  
I suspect this revision of your block sequence would work.<= br clear=3D"none">
RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency= =20 translator)---->IF--->C-QuAM decoder-->(ADC)---->(Android softw= are=20 demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card




On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:39 PM= , "Daniel Piccoli = piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com<= /a>> wrote:


 
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Hi gents,

yes. I w= as thinnking that if we had access to the IF signal, we could do the decodi= ng in SOFTWARE.

ie.

RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)---->IF---&g= t;(ADC)---->(Android software demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card=

Unfortunately (and I'm not completely su= re about this), I think the only access Android has to the radio hardware i= s more rudimentary stuff like 'Select band', 'Choose frequency', 'Scan' etc= . The hardware probably only outputs the demodulated audio.

Outsource, yes we can listen to the web = feed but it's not as much fun and it eats into your data. I thought it woul= d be a fun project to try to demodulate AM in software using a real life ov= er the air signal. A car stereo has the hardware required for this (most ph= ones have FM only), it just depends what stage of the signal the software h= as access to.

Cheers


On 19 August 2014 01:30, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum= ] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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This should be great!!!
But... I wonder... = Why we still don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, better, hehehe), AM St= ereo decoding software (or App) to any standard desktop PC, laptop, tablet,= Cell phone, etc.? ???
I'm still thinking there is some kind of campaign against t= he AM technology from the tuner manufacturers.
That's = my point.
God bless you all!!!!!!!
Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
From Curic= =C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, hope and love = to anyone.
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---600603132-552138820-1408436147=:98723-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Aug 19 01:43:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77353 invoked by uid 102); 19 Aug 2014 08:43:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2014 08:43:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6510 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2014 08:43:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vc0-f179.google.com) (98.139.170.167) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2014 08:43:10 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hq11so7031516vcb.38 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 01:43:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.164.199 with SMTP id ys7mr279887vdb.42.1408437790338; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 01:43:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.9.71 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 01:43:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1408436147.98723.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1408421430.98980.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1408436147.98723.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:43:10 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c232a22e7fbf0500f77a9d X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on Android? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=LHKenOnj1gDgy_b4ePECJCwfRlYrAsP8cpJDocbIBkriK9SS X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --001a11c232a22e7fbf0500f77a9d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Morgan, I'll try to address each of your points below. From what I recall, every standard mono AM radio provides both the L+R and > the L-R at its IF stage from a C-QuAM broadcast. This means L-R is exists > in every AM radio. > This is inherently true because the IF (and RF) contains the multiplexed signal. > > It is this composite IF signal that is forwarded to the C-QuAM decoder > chip and in turn comes out as either baseband audio L+R and L-R or as the > final stereo L and R channels. > Yes, I want to use software in place of a C-QuAM decoder chip which most radios don't have. > > The composite IF signal would become unreliable for stereo audio if you > digitized it before C-QuAM decoding it. This combined digital rendering > will not lend itself to de-multiplexing correctly. You'd end up with mono > audio that perhaps some pseudo stereo effects. It would be unstable. > This is where we differ. I think it can be done. > > It is best to decode a C-QuAM signal in its native analog then digitize > the two signals either as L+R and L-R then use DSP to de-multiplex or tak= e > the stereo audio directly from the decoder and digitally process it from > there. > At this stage, the job is already done. You can do some noise reduction touch ups. However, I'm assuming we don't have a C-Quam decoder chip. > > A Software Defined Radio still needs an analog decoder section to receive > and demodulate C-QuAM properly. > I'm not sure about that. I think you can simulate it algorithmically. Cheers. > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:49 AM, "Daniel Piccoli > piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" > wrote: > > > > Hi Morgan, > > I was thinking of using the digitized IF. If we had access to the L - R, > then it would already be an AM stereo radio. I was assuming that the radi= o > isn't already stereo. > > C-QUAM can be decoded in the digital domain by software. Please see > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpGPqSAz-LBw > > Cheers, > Dan > > > On 19 August 2014 12:10, Morgan Robert outsource73@yahoo.com > [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > If I'm reading your block diagram correctly, your approach digitizes the > entire IF composite signal then demodulates it to stereo audio primarily > using software and a soundcard. > > I'm thinking a hardware device would need to decode the composite IF whil= e > it was still in its native analog stage and then produce two baseband aud= io > signals L+R and L-R, before any digital signal processing could be put in= to > effect to produce stereo audio. > > Let me suggest that C-QuAM was not designed for direct digital conversion= . > The baseband audio signals are naturally 'clocked' to and by their > respective RF carriers, with L+R clocked to the in phase carrier and L-R > clocked to the quadrature carrier, which by definition is operating 90 > degrees later. C-QuAM does not provide a sync signal which can be > conveniently relied upon for direct digital sampling. > > I suspect this revision of your block sequence would work. > > RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)---->IF--->C-QuAM > decoder-->(ADC)---->(Android software demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound car= d > > > > > On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:39 PM, "Daniel Piccoli > piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" > wrote: > > > > Hi gents, > > yes. I was thinnking that if we had access to the IF signal, we could do > the decoding in SOFTWARE. > > ie. > > RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)---->IF--->(ADC)---->(Android > software demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card > > Unfortunately (and I'm not completely sure about this), I think the only > access Android has to the radio hardware is more rudimentary stuff like > 'Select band', 'Choose frequency', 'Scan' etc. The hardware probably only > outputs the demodulated audio. > > Outsource, yes we can listen to the web feed but it's not as much fun and > it eats into your data. I thought it would be a fun project to try to > demodulate AM in software using a real life over the air signal. A car > stereo has the hardware required for this (most phones have FM only), it > just depends what stage of the signal the software has access to. > > Cheers > > > On 19 August 2014 01:30, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] < > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > This should be great!!! > But... I wonder... Why we still don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, > better, hehehe), AM Stereo decoding software (or App) to any standard > desktop PC, laptop, tablet, Cell phone, etc.? ??? > I'm still thinking there is some kind of campaign against the AM > technology from the tuner manufacturers. > That's my point. > God bless you all!!!!!!! > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, ho= pe and > love to anyone. > > > > > > > >=20=20=20=20 > --001a11c232a22e7fbf0500f77a9d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Morgan,

I'll try to address each= of your points below.

From what I recal= l, every standard mono AM radio provides both the L+R and the L-R at its IF= stage from a C-QuAM broadcast. This means L-R is exists in every AM radio.=

This is inherently true because the IF (and RF) contains the multiplexed s= ignal.

It is this co= mposite IF signal that is forwarded to the C-QuAM decoder chip and in turn = comes out as either baseband audio L+R and L-R or as the final stereo L and= R channels.

Yes, I want to use software in place of a C-QuAM decoder chip which most r= adios don't have.=C2=A0

The composite= IF signal would become unreliable for stereo audio if you digitized it bef= ore C-QuAM decoding it. =C2=A0 This combined digital rendering will not len= d itself to de-multiplexing correctly. You'd end up with mono audio tha= t perhaps some pseudo stereo effects. It would be unstable.

This is where we differ. I think it can be done.=C2=A0

It is best to= decode a C-QuAM signal in its native analog then digitize the two signals = either as L+R and L-R then use DSP to de-multiplex or take the stereo audio directly from the decoder and digita= lly process it from there.

At this stage, the job is already done. You = can do some noise reduction touch ups. However, I'm assuming we don'= ;t have a C-Quam decoder chip.=C2=A0

A Software Defined Radio still needs an analog decoder secti= on to receive and demodulate C-QuAM properly.
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I'm not sure about t= hat. I think you can simulate it algorithmically.

Cheers.






On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:49 = AM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogro= ups.com> wrote:


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Hi Morgan,

I was t= hinking of using the digitized IF. If we had access to the L - R, then it w= ould already be an AM stereo radio. I was assuming that the radio isn't= already stereo.

C-QUAM can be decoded in the digital dom= ain by software. Please see=C2=A0https://w= ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpGPqSAz-LBw

Cheers,
Dan


On= 19 August 2014 12:10, Morgan Robert outsource73@yahoo.com<= /a> [amstereoforum] <amstereof= orum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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If I'm reading your block diagram correctly, your approach digitizes t= he entire IF composite signal then demodulates it to stereo audio primarily= using software and a soundcard.

I'm thinking a hardware device would need to decode = the composite IF while it was still in its native analog stage and then pro= duce two baseband audio signals L+R and L-R, before any digital signal proc= essing could be put into effect to produce stereo audio.

Let me suggest that C-QuAM was not designed for direct d= igital conversion. The baseband audio signals are naturally 'clocked= 9; to and by their respective RF carriers, with L+R clocked to the in phase= carrier and L-R clocked to the quadrature carrier, which by definition is = operating 90 degrees later. C-QuAM does not provide a sync signal which can be convenie= ntly relied upon for direct digital sampling. =C2=A0
I suspect this revision of your block sequence would work.<= br clear=3D"none">
RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency=20 translator)---->IF--->C-QuAM decoder-->(ADC)---->(Android softw= are=20 demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card




On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:39 PM= , "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereof= orum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com&g= t; wrote:


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Hi gents,

yes. I w= as thinnking that if we had access to the IF signal, we could do the decodi= ng in SOFTWARE.

ie.

RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)---->IF---&g= t;(ADC)---->(Android software demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card=

Unfortunately (and I'm not completel= y sure about this), I think the only access Android has to the radio hardwa= re is more rudimentary stuff like 'Select band', 'Choose freque= ncy', 'Scan' etc. The hardware probably only outputs the demodu= lated audio.

Outsource, yes we can listen to the web = feed but it's not as much fun and it eats into your data. I thought it = would be a fun project to try to demodulate AM in software using a real lif= e over the air signal. A car stereo has the hardware required for this (mos= t phones have FM only), it just depends what stage of the signal the softwa= re has access to.

Cheers


On 19 August 2014 01:30, jota= pe1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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This should be great!!!
But... I wonder... = Why we still don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, better, hehehe), A= M Stereo decoding software (or App) to any standard desktop PC, laptop, tab= let, Cell phone, etc.? ???
I'm still thinking there is some kind of campaign again= st the AM technology from the tuner manufacturers.
Tha= t's my point.
God bless you all!!!!!!!
Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
From Curic= =C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, hope and love = to anyone.
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=443830900; y=OEHoWtNZvnMtlyd9amqrOrdrAyAZqn5v11ZV1XZwhVYFzquNxCY X-Yahoo-Profile: outsource73 From: Morgan Robert ---477789512-1074562073-1408475580=:16753 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I understand you are attempting to simulate in software, a C-QuAM demo= dulator. Converting the received composite C-QuAM IF signal to a digital quantity, b= ased on simply recording the instantaneous amplitude over time does note en= sure the orthogonality of the 2 constituents of the composite waveform unle= ss steps are taken in advance to somehow recognize this characteristic afte= r the analog to digital conversion has taken place. A C-QuAM broadcast does= not provide for this and simply converting the IF waveform to digital does= not either.=20 In order to preserve the orthogonality of a C-QuAM signal and to further de= code and demodulate it in a test environment, the in-phase signal ("I") and= the quadrature signal ("Q") should be, in the very least, separated while = still in their respective native analog forms before converting them to a d= igital quantity.=C2=A0 In a real-life environment, it would be better to de= -multiplex before converting the audio to a digital form. =C2=A0C-QuAM or AM in general is a synchronous method of radio transmission= . The carrier is the clock reference relied upon for demodulation. Converti= ng the composite IF signal to a digital form, without regard to the orthogo= nal nature of the IF signal,=C2=A0 would rely upon an asynchronous method o= f baseband extrapolation, performed after digitization in a software proces= sing device (DSP), and this would not be as reliable, for proper stereo rec= eption, as converting the signal while it was in its native analog format w= here, synchronization with its analog origin can be best ensured.=20 On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:43 AM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com = [amstereoforum]" wrote: =20 =C2=A0=20 Hi Morgan, I'll try to address each of your points below. From what I recall, every standard mono AM radio provides both the L+R and = the L-R at its IF stage from a C-QuAM broadcast. This means L-R is exists i= n every AM radio.=20 > This is inherently true because the IF (and RF) contains the multiplexed si= gnal. >It is this composite IF signal that is forwarded to the C-QuAM decoder chi= p and in turn comes out as either baseband audio L+R and L-R or as the fina= l stereo L and R channels. > Yes, I want to use software in place of a C-QuAM decoder chip which most ra= dios don't have.=C2=A0 >The composite IF signal would become unreliable for stereo audio if you di= gitized it before C-QuAM decoding it. =C2=A0 This combined digital renderin= g will not lend itself to de-multiplexing correctly. You'd end up with mono= audio that perhaps some pseudo stereo effects. It would be unstable. > This is where we differ. I think it can be done.=C2=A0 >It is best to decode a C-QuAM signal in its native analog then digitize th= e two signals either as L+R and L-R then use DSP to de-multiplex or take the stereo audio directly from the decoder and digita= lly process it from there. > At this stage, the job is already done. You can do some noise reduction tou= ch ups. However, I'm assuming we don't have a C-Quam decoder chip.=C2=A0 >A Software Defined Radio still needs an analog decoder section to receive = and demodulate C-QuAM properly.=20 > I'm not sure about that. I think you can simulate it algorithmically. Cheers. > > > > > > > >On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:49 AM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.co= m [amstereoforum]" wrote: >=20 > > >=C2=A0=20 >Hi Morgan, > > >I was thinking of using the digitized IF. If we had access to the L - R, t= hen it would already be an AM stereo radio. I was assuming that the radio i= sn't already stereo. > > >C-QUAM can be decoded in the digital domain by software. Please see=C2=A0h= ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpGPqSAz-LBw > > >Cheers, >Dan > > > >On 19 August 2014 12:10, Morgan Robert outsource73@yahoo.com [amstereoforu= m] wrote: > >=20 >>=C2=A0=20 >>If I'm reading your block diagram correctly, your approach digitizes the = entire IF composite signal then demodulates it to stereo audio primarily us= ing software and a soundcard.=20 >> >>I'm thinking a hardware device would need to decode the composite IF whil= e it was still in its native analog stage and then produce two baseband aud= io signals L+R and L-R, before any digital signal processing could be put i= nto effect to produce stereo audio. >> >>Let me suggest that C-QuAM was not designed for direct digital conversion= . The baseband audio signals are naturally 'clocked' to and by their respec= tive RF carriers, with L+R clocked to the in phase carrier and L-R clocked = to the quadrature carrier, which by definition is operating 90 degrees later. C-QuAM does not provide a sync signal which can be convenie= ntly relied upon for direct digital sampling. =C2=A0=20 >> >>I suspect this revision of your block sequence would work. >> >>RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency=20 translator)---->IF--->C-QuAM decoder-->(ADC)---->(Android software=20 demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:39 PM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com= [amstereoforum]" wrote: >>=20 >> >> >>=C2=A0=20 >>Hi gents, >> >> >>yes. I was thinnking that if we had access to the IF signal, we could do = the decoding in SOFTWARE. >> >> >>ie. >> >> >>RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency translator)---->IF--->(ADC)---->(Android = software demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card >> >> >>Unfortunately (and I'm not completely sure about this), I think the only = access Android has to the radio hardware is more rudimentary stuff like 'Se= lect band', 'Choose frequency', 'Scan' etc. The hardware probably only outp= uts the demodulated audio. >> >> >>Outsource, yes we can listen to the web feed but it's not as much fun and= it eats into your data. I thought it would be a fun project to try to demo= dulate AM in software using a real life over the air signal. A car stereo h= as the hardware required for this (most phones have FM only), it just depen= ds what stage of the signal the software has access to. >> >> >>Cheers >> >> >> >>On 19 August 2014 01:30, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: >> >>=20 >>>=C2=A0=20 >>>This should be great!!! >>>But... I wonder... Why we still don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, = better, hehehe), AM Stereo decoding software (or App) to any standard deskt= op PC, laptop, tablet, Cell phone, etc.? ??? >>>I'm still thinking there is some kind of campaign against the AM technol= ogy from the tuner manufacturers. >>>That's my point. >>>God bless you all!!!!!!! >>>Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra >>>From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, h= ope and love to anyone. >> >> >> > > > ---477789512-1074562073-1408475580=:16753 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, I= understand you are attempting to simulate in software, a C-QuAM demodulato= r.

Converting the received composit= e C-QuAM IF signal to a digital quantity, based on simply recording the ins= tantaneous amplitude over time does note ensure the orthogonality of the 2 = constituents of the composite waveform unless steps are taken in advance to= somehow recognize this characteristic after the analog to digital conversi= on has taken place. A C-QuAM broadcast does not provide for this and simply= converting the IF waveform to digital does not either.

In order to preserve the orthogonality of = a C-QuAM signal and to further decode and demodulate it in a test environme= nt, the in-phase signal ("I") and the quadrature signal ("Q") should be, in the very least,= separated while still in their respective native analog forms before conve= rting them to a digital quantity.  In a real-life environment, it woul= d be better to de-multiplex before converting the audio to a digital form.<= br style=3D"" class=3D"">
 C-QuAM or AM in ge= neral is a synchronous method of radio transmission. The carrier is the clo= ck reference relied upon for demodulation. Converting the composite IF sign= al to a digital form, without regard to the orthogonal nature of the IF sig= nal,  would rely upon an asynchronous method of baseband extrap= olation, performed after digitization in a software processing device (DSP)= , and this would not be as reliable, for proper stereo reception, as conver= ting the signal while it was in its native analog format where, synchroniza= tion with its analog origin can be best ensured.
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On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:43 AM, "Daniel Piccoli= piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com&g= t; wrote:


 
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Hi Morgan,

I'll try to address each of your points below.

From what I recall, every st= andard mono AM radio provides both the L+R and the L-R at its IF stage from= a C-QuAM broadcast. This means L-R is exists in every AM radio.

This is inherently true because the IF (and RF) contains the multipl= exed signal.

It is this composite IF signal that is forwarded to the C-QuAM= decoder chip and in turn comes out as either baseband audio L+R and L-R or= as the final stereo L and R channels.

Yes, I want to use software in place of a C-QuAM decoder chip which = most radios don't have. 

The composite IF signal would become unreliable for stereo aud= io if you digitized it before C-QuAM decoding it.   This combined digi= tal rendering will not lend itself to de-multiplexing correctly. You'd end = up with mono audio that perhaps some pseudo stereo effects. It would be uns= table.

This is where we differ. I think it can be done. 

It is best to decode a C-QuAM signal in its native analog then= digitize the two signals either as L+R and L-R then use DSP to de-multiplex or take the stereo audio directly from the decoder and digita= lly process it from there.
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A= t this stage, the job is already done. You can do some noise reduction touc= h ups. However, I'm assuming we don't have a C-Quam decoder chip. 

A Software Defined Radio still needs an analog decoder= section to receive and demodulate C-QuAM properly.
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I'm not sure about that. I think you can simulate = it algorithmically.

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On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:49 AM, "Daniel Piccoli picc= oli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforu= m@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


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Hi Morgan,

I was thinking of using the digitized IF. If we had access to the L -= R, then it would already be an AM stereo radio. I was assuming that the ra= dio isn't already stereo.

<= div style=3D"" class=3D"">C-QUAM can be decoded in the digital domain by so= ftware. Please see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpGPqSAz-LBw

<= div style=3D"" class=3D"">Cheers,
Dan


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If I'm reading your block diagram correctly, your approac= h digitizes the entire IF composite signal then demodulates it to stereo au= dio primarily using software and a soundcard.

I'm thinking a hardware device wou= ld need to decode the composite IF while it was still in its native analog = stage and then produce two baseband audio signals L+R and L-R, before any d= igital signal processing could be put into effect to produce stereo audio.<= br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">
Let me suggest that C-QuAM was not= designed for direct digital conversion. The baseband audio signals are nat= urally 'clocked' to and by their respective RF carriers, with L+R clocked t= o the in phase carrier and L-R clocked to the quadrature carrier, which by = definition is operating 90 degrees later. C-QuAM does not provide a sync signal which can be convenie= ntly relied upon for direct digital sampling.  

I suspect thi= s revision of your block sequence would work.

RF---->(Antenna)---->(Freque= ncy=20 translator)---->IF--->C-QuAM decoder-->(ADC)---->(Android softw= are=20 demod)--->Digital Audio-->Sound card




On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:39 PM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli= .dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@y= ahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
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Hi gents,

yes. I was thinnking that if we had access to the IF signal, we could= do the decoding in SOFTWARE.

ie.

RF---->(Antenna)---->(Frequency tran= slator)---->IF--->(ADC)---->(Android software demod)--->Digital= Audio-->Sound card

<= div style=3D"" class=3D"">Unfortunately (and I'm not completely sure about = this), I think the only access Android has to the radio hardware is more ru= dimentary stuff like 'Select band', 'Choose frequency', 'Scan' etc. The har= dware probably only outputs the demodulated audio.

<= div style=3D"" class=3D"">Outsource, yes we can listen to the web feed but = it's not as much fun and it eats into your data. I thought it would be a fu= n project to try to demodulate AM in software using a real life over the ai= r signal. A car stereo has the hardware required for this (most phones have= FM only), it just depends what stage of the signal the software has access= to.

<= div style=3D"" class=3D"">Cheers


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This should be great!!!
But... I wonder... Why we st= ill don't have cheap, real cheap, (or free, better, hehehe), AM Stereo deco= ding software (or App) to any standard desktop PC, laptop, tablet, Cell pho= ne, etc.? ???
I'm still think= ing there is some kind of campaign against the AM technology from the tuner= manufacturers.
That's my point.
God bless you all!!!!!!!
Juan Jes= =C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
From Curic=C3=B3, Ch= ile, South America, with a lot of good vibrations, hope and love to anyone.=
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=_PSmjLrS8x5HQHJ3FT0kXLvOn6lZNorf2IYmuVB-6LCD2ars X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --089e010d911eace5c20501076db5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpGPqSAz-LBw On 20 August 2014 10:47, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > " > A Software Defined Radio still needs an analog decoder section to receive > and demodulate C-QuAM properly. > > I'm not sure about that. I think you can simulate it algorithmically." > > > I believe Dan is right about this. Saw a video of someone picking up > shortwave pirate station XFM decoded entirely using SoDiRa, a software > defined radio program. Can't remember the url but it was on YouTube. > > Scott Todd > >=20=20 > --089e010d911eace5c20501076db5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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I believe Dan is right about this.=C2=A0 Saw a video of someo= ne picking up shortwave pirate station XFM decoded entirely using SoDiRa, a= software defined radio program.=C2=A0 Can't remember the url but it wa= s on YouTube.

Scott Todd

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Here's a clue from these instructions: "For Perseus: Perseus > Virtual Audio Cable > Sodira > Enjoy C-QUAM! 1) Set Perseus to "USER" mode (which dumps raw I/Q to VAC) 2) Set Sodira Internal Receiver option to "No receiver, I/Q data from sound= card" 3) Set Sodira's Demod to "AM Radio", hit the dialog window button & select = "Stereo C-QUAM" 4) Enjoy X-FM's AM stereo broadcasts :-)" Using Sodira with SDR-IQ for C-QUAM decoding. =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 Using Sodira with SDR-IQ for C-QUAM decoding. Using Sodira with SDR-IQ for C-QUAM decoding.=20=20 View on www.hfunderground... Preview by Yahoo=20=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:47 PM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com= [amstereoforum]" wrote: =20 =C2=A0=20 Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpGPqSAz-LBw On 20 August 2014 10:47, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] wrote: =20 >=C2=A0=20 >" >A Software Defined Radio still needs an analog decoder section to receive = and demodulate C-QuAM properly.=20 > > >I'm not sure about that. I think you can simulate it algorithmically." > > >I believe Dan is right about this.=C2=A0 Saw a video of someone picking up= shortwave pirate station XFM decoded entirely using SoDiRa, a software def= ined radio program.=C2=A0 Can't remember the url but it was on YouTube. > >Scott Todd > > > ---477789512-1019800543-1408507866=:97271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The vi= deo doesn't disclose the configuration, but if truly works, it's because th= e I and Q signals are discretely resolved in their native analog form, prio= r to being converted to digital, not the other way around.
Here's a clue from these instructions:

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Perseus > Virtual Audio Cable > Sodira > Enjoy C-QUAM!

1) Set Perseus to "USER" mode (w= hich dumps raw I/Q to VAC)
2) Set Sodira Internal = Receiver option to "No receiver, I/Q data from sound card"
3) Set Sodira's Demod to "AM Radio", = hit the dialog window button & select "Stereo C-QUAM"
4) Enjoy X-FM's AM stereo broadcasts :-)"

Using Sod= ira with SDR-IQ for C-QUAM decoding.



 
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I'm not sure about that. I thin= k you can simulate it algorithmically."


I believe Dan is right about this.  Saw a video of someon= e picking up shortwave pirate station XFM decoded entirely using SoDiRa, a = software defined radio program.  Can't remember the url but it was on = YouTube.

Scott Todd

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---477789512-1019800543-1408507866=:97271-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Aug 20 01:25:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24689 invoked by uid 102); 20 Aug 2014 08:25:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2014 08:25:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23025 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2014 08:25:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vc0-f175.google.com) (98.139.170.167) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2014 08:25:10 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ik5so8584982vcb.6 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 01:25:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.46.5 with SMTP id h5mr406048vcf.55.1408523110325; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 01:25:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.9.71 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 01:25:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1408507866.97271.YahooMailNeo@web162301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1408421430.98980.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1408436147.98723.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1408507866.97271.YahooMailNeo@web162301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 16:25:10 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2d2bea624b605010b572c X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on Android? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=1An7djKMYMMWuAa622mZxc-lpRARXQ3LzFjgem9PO5DGGWKi X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --001a11c2d2bea624b605010b572c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Morgan, Perseus > Virtual Audio Cable > Sodira > Enjoy C-QUAM! > I think in this case Perseus is referring to the software that comes with the radio front end. Virtual Audio Cable (VAC) is software that allows you to transfer audio to other software. Sodira is a different piece of software that is able to decode C-QUAM. In other words, Perseus sends a zero centred IF complex I/Q signal (a representation of the original modulated RF downconverted to 0 Hz) to Sodira for demodulation. I believe the Perseus radio hardware directly samples a band-passed RF signal. The Perseus *software* does the conversion from this digitised band passed RF to the complex quadrature baseband. The complex quad baseband signal is sent to Sodira which has a CQUAM demod module. I could be wrong. I'm trying to figure out the maths so I can do a proof of concept for fun. Cheers, Dan > > 1) Set Perseus to "USER" mode (which dumps raw I/Q to VAC) > 2) Set Sodira Internal Receiver option to "No receiver, I/Q data from > sound card" > 3) Set Sodira's Demod to "AM Radio", hit the dialog window button & selec= t > "Stereo C-QUAM" > 4) Enjoy X-FM's AM stereo broadcasts :-)" > > Using Sodira with SDR-IQ for C-QUAM decoding. > > > > > > > [image: image] > > > > > > Using Sodira with SDR-IQ for C-QUAM decoding. > > Using Sodira with SDR-IQ for C-QUAM decoding. > View on www.hfunderground... > > Preview by Yahoo > > > > > On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:47 PM, "Daniel Piccoli > piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" > wrote: > > > > Here is an example: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpGPqSAz-LBw > > > On 20 August 2014 10:47, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] < > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > " > A Software Defined Radio still needs an analog decoder section to receive > and demodulate C-QuAM properly. > > I'm not sure about that. I think you can simulate it algorithmically." > > > I believe Dan is right about this. Saw a video of someone picking up > shortwave pirate station XFM decoded entirely using SoDiRa, a software > defined radio program. Can't remember the url but it was on YouTube. > > Scott Todd > > > > >=20=20=20=20 > --001a11c2d2bea624b605010b572c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Morgan,


Perseus > Virtual Audio Cable > Sodira > Enjoy C-QUAM!

I think in this case Perseus is referring to the softwa= re that comes with the radio front end. Virtual Audio Cable (VAC) is softwa= re that allows you to transfer audio to other software. Sodira is a differe= nt piece of software that is able to decode C-QUAM. In other words, Perseus= sends a zero centred IF complex I/Q signal (a representation of the origin= al modulated RF downconverted to 0 Hz) =C2=A0to Sodira for demodulation.=C2= =A0

I believe the Perseus radio hardware directly samples a= band-passed RF signal. The Perseus software=C2=A0does the conversio= n from this digitised band passed RF to the complex quadrature baseband. Th= e complex quad baseband signal is sent to Sodira which has a CQUAM demod mo= dule.

I could be wrong. I'm trying to figure out the math= s so I can do a proof of concept for fun.

Cheers,<= /div>
Dan

1) Set Perseus to "USER" mode (which dumps raw I/Q t= o VAC)
2) Set Sodira Internal Receiver option to "No receiver, I/Q = data from sound card"
3) Set Sodira's Demod to "AM Radio", hit= the dialog window button & select "Stereo C-QUAM"
4) Enjo= y X-FM's AM stereo broadcasts :-)"

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I believe Dan is right about th= is.=C2=A0 Saw a video of someone picking up shortwave pirate station XFM de= coded entirely using SoDiRa, a software defined radio program.=C2=A0 Can= 9;t remember the url but it was on YouTube.

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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=443830900; y=iTqQg2frojf_VvsJupBU-9CvEp2YIFPOdXvY1cSv5Pa8BorQuT8 X-Yahoo-Profile: outsource73 From: Morgan Robert ---477789512-969512364-1408565712=:74218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I have suggested all along, you're going to need additional hardware (su= pported by software) in order to properly decode and demodulate a C-QuAM br= oadcast signal. If they haven't' already done this, the SDR radio makers co= uld incorporate this in a future design or in a outboard product, so you wo= uldn't even know it's there.=20 One cannot simply take the IF of a C-QuAM signal, convert it to a digital r= endering then expect to extrapolate the two baseband signals L+R and L-R an= d from there, de-multiplex the signals to produce stereo audio.=C2=A0 The I= F signal has a phase component to it that must be preserved in the digital = conversion and that's why you'll need additional hardware in the front end. My suggestion is to extract your two baseband signals while they are in the= ir native analog form. This will give you two analog signals L+R and L-R.= =C2=A0 From there you can convert both signals to digital and play with the= m from there.=C2=A0=20 A device that properly digitally converts the IF of a C-QuAM signal, does s= o by preserving the I and Q phase components, so that once digitized the tw= o baseband signals can be extrapolated.=C2=A0 There are many ways to do thi= s, but none is better or more practical than converting the baseband in its= native analog form, then converting to digital. Obviously, if a digital rendering of the C-QuAM IF is created, it is possib= le to infer the I and Q phase characteristics, provided the IF is oversampl= ed to the point necessary to capture enough of the embedded content.=C2=A0 = This creates an unnecessarily large bit stream that needs further processin= g before it serves any useful purpose. The preferred method is to=20 sample the analog IF in quarter wave lengths, so as to build two distinct=20 digital streams of data, one becoming In-Phase ("I") for L+R and the=20 other the Quadrature ("Q") for L-R. This method essentially converts the IF= stream to its I and Q signals immediately prior to digitization. A great deal of this subject is discussed in this patent going back over 20= years: Patent EP0540195A2 - Digital quadrature radio receiver with two-step proces= sing =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 Patent EP0540195A2 - Digital quadrature radio receiver w... A digital signal processing (DSP) radio receiver employs a conventional ana= logy RF tuner to produce an analogy intermediate frequency. The receiver in= c...=20=20 View on www.google.com Preview by Yahoo=20=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:09 PM, "scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereofor= um]" wrote: =20 =C2=A0=20 "SoDiRa does it, also; but you need to get the physical hardware part=20 separately (even SoDiRa is full free, the hardware part, again, isn't=20 cheap)."That bugs me.=C2=A0 You can get all sorts of SDR dongles not much b= igger than a USB thumb drive which will decode FM and European DVB/DVB+T te= levision for less than $20, some for less than $10!=C2=A0 So how hard would= it be to create something like that which could do AM, LW and SW along wit= h FM?=C2=A0 A coworker of mine uses one of the DVB types to convert his lap= top into a spectrum analyzer.=C2=A0 It'll only allow you to see a 3MHz wind= ow, but still if you're trying to do a band sweep it would still be an OK t= ool. Scott Todd ---477789512-969512364-1408565712=:74218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As I have suggested all along, you're going to need additional har= dware (supported by software) in order to properly decode and demodulate a = C-QuAM broadcast signal. If they haven't' already done this, the SDR radio = makers could incorporate this in a future design or in a outboard product, = so you wouldn't even know it's there.

One cannot simply take the IF of a C-QuAM signal, convert = it to a digital rendering then expect to extrapolate the two baseband signa= ls L+R and L-R and from there, de-multiplex the signals to produce stereo a= udio.  The IF signal has a phase component to it that must be preserve= d in the digital conversion and that's why you'll need additional hardware = in the front end.

My suggestion is t= o extract your two baseband signals while they are in their native analog f= orm. This will give you two analog signals L+R and L-R.  From there yo= u can convert both signals to digital and play with them from there.  =

A device that properly = digitally converts the IF of a C-QuAM signal, does so by preserving the I a= nd Q phase components, so that once digitized the two baseband signals can = be extrapolated.  There are many ways to do this, but none is better o= r more practical than converting the baseband in its native analog form, th= en converting to digital.

Obviously, if a digital rendering of the C-QuAM IF is created, it is poss= ible to infer the I and Q phase characteristics, provided the IF is oversam= pled to the point necessary to capture enough of the embedded content. = ; This creates an unnecessarily large bit stream that needs further processing before it ser= ves any useful purpose.

= The preferre= d method is to=20 sample the analog IF in quarter wave lengths, so as to build two distinct=20 digital streams of data, one becoming In-Phase ("I") for L+R and the=20 other the Quadrature ("Q") for L-R. This method essentially converts= the IF stream to its I and Q signals immediately prior to digitization.
A great deal of this subje= ct is discussed in this patent going back over 20 years:
Patent EP0540195A2 - Digital quadrature radio receiver wit= h two-step processing



 
 
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"SoDiRa does it, also; but you need to get= the physical hardware part=20 separately (even SoDiRa is full free, the hardware part, again, isn't=20 cheap)."That bugs me.  You can get all sorts of SDR dongles not much b= igger than a USB thumb drive which will decode FM and European DVB/DVB+T te= levision for less than $20, some for less than $10!  So how hard would= it be to create something like that which could do AM, LW and SW along wit= h FM?  A coworker of mine uses one of the DVB types to convert his lap= top into a spectrum analyzer.  It'll only allow you to see a 3MHz wind= ow, but still if you're trying to do a band sweep it would still be an OK t= ool.

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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=OV2PQijgzunwT-2JuFwXR1KWd1Pqaopgyc5sswinszk1cQ X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 From: apw > You can get all sorts of SDR dongles not much bigger than a USB thumb > drive which will decode FM and European DVB/DVB+T television for less > than $20, some for less than $10! So how hard would it be to create > something like that which could do AM, LW and SW along with FM? Not hard, but remember, the main reason FM and DAB are used is the problem AM has with all the background noise. You can imagine how noisy an AM radio in a USB dongle next to a computer would be! Incidentally, the Australian mag "Silicon Chip" had details of an upconverter to put LW, MW and SW signals into the range suitable for a USB dongle . It used the HDSDR (?) software for spectrum analysis (which can decode AM, amongst other modes, so AM stereo shouldn't be that hard). I've used Sodira to decode DRM transmissions in the MW band from the output of my wideband AM tuner, so again AM stereo should be possible if someone wants to write the codec. Adrian. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=RlOGJt1Nmq5B2Ign-BCUfi_Np5nRGBHDjXu3h67iv5pxU4kr X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --001a1133fe38de1ddf05012f6081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That SDR dongle looks interesting. Morgan, I could be wrong but I think that the I and Q signals can be separated from the 'real' (antenna) signal in digital mode (which I think that patent you attached suggests). The I and Q signal are the just 'analytic' versions of the real signal. This article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_signal) explains how you can get the I and Q from the real signal with an FFT and lopping off the negative frequencies. Cheers On 21 August 2014 16:27, apw awhichello@ieee.org [amstereoforum] < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > You can get all sorts of SDR dongles not much bigger than a USB thumb > > drive which will decode FM and European DVB/DVB+T television for less > > than $20, some for less than $10! So how hard would it be to create > > something like that which could do AM, LW and SW along with FM? > > Not hard, but remember, the main reason FM and DAB are used is the > problem AM has with all the background noise. You can imagine how noisy > an AM radio in a USB dongle next to a computer would be! > > Incidentally, the Australian mag "Silicon Chip" had details of an > upconverter to put LW, MW and SW signals into the range suitable for a > USB dongle > < > http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2013/October/SiDRADIO%3A+An+Integrate= d+SDR+Using+A+DVB-T+Dongle,+Pt.1>. > > It used the HDSDR (?) software for spectrum analysis (which can decode > AM, amongst other modes, so AM stereo shouldn't be that hard). I've used > Sodira to decode DRM transmissions in the MW band from the output of my > wideband AM tuner, so again AM stereo should be possible if someone > wants to write the codec. > > Adrian. >=20=20 > --001a1133fe38de1ddf05012f6081 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That SDR dongle looks interesting.

Morg= an, I could be wrong but I think that the I and Q signals can be separated = from the 'real' (antenna) signal in digital mode (which I think tha= t patent you attached suggests). The I and Q signal are the just 'analy= tic' versions of the real signal. This article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_sig= nal) explains how you can get the I and Q from the real signal with an = FFT and lopping off the negative frequencies.=C2=A0

Cheers


On 21 August 2014 16:27, apw awhichello@ieee.org [amstereoforum] <ams= tereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> You can get all sorts of SDR dongles not much bigger than a U= SB thumb
> drive which will decode FM and European DVB/DVB+T television for less<= br> > than $20, some for less than $10! So how hard would it be to create > something like that which could do AM, LW and SW along with FM?

Not hard, but remember, the main reason FM and DAB are used is the
problem AM has with all the background noise. You can imagine how noisy an AM radio in a USB dongle next to a computer would be!

Incidentally, the Australian mag "Silicon Chip" had details of an=
upconverter to put LW, MW and SW signals into the range suitable for a
USB dongle
<http://www= .siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2013/October/SiDRADIO%3A+An+Integrated+SDR+Using+= A+DVB-T+Dongle,+Pt.1>.
It used the HDSDR (?) software for spectrum analysis (which can decode
AM, amongst other modes, so AM stereo shouldn't be that hard). I've= used
Sodira to decode DRM transmissions in the MW band from the output of my wideband AM tuner, so again AM stereo should be possible if someone
wants to write the codec.

Adrian.

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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=443830900; y=wKbag4GVdKZMEEDTotcvPzE-EXYc9qNTbqSONcUKd0Xlrd4Eq_k X-Yahoo-Profile: outsource73 From: Morgan Robert ---600603132-1603519472-1408682114=:22988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In order to properly demodulate C-QuAM in any receiver, it's absolutely ess= ential to preserve the modulated phase components which are embedded in the= broadcast signal.=C2=A0=20 By simply converting the IF signal to a digital rendering, one has only con= verted the amplitude modulated envelope of the signal to digital and theref= ore one cannot properly extrapolate the L-R portion of the signal and then = properly de-multiplex to Left and Right audio.=20 In an analog radio or a so-called digital radio that converts its analog IF= to a digital IF, a purpose built C-QuAM decoder/demodulator is required to= recover the stereo audio.=C2=A0=20 Here is a block diagram of "digital IF" converter which incorporates the ne= cessary hardware to properly recover and digitally preserve the L-R portion= of a C-QuAM signal. IF your SDR doesn't have the equivalent of this, you simply cannot properly= recover a C-QuAM signal in stereo. https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/EP0540195A2/imgf0006.png =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20=20=20 View on patentimages.storag... Preview by Yahoo=20=20 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 On Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:24 PM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.co= m [amstereoforum]" wrote: =20 =C2=A0=20 That SDR dongle looks interesting. Morgan, I could be wrong but I think that the I and Q signals can be separa= ted from the 'real' (antenna) signal in digital mode (which I think that pa= tent you attached suggests). The I and Q signal are the just 'analytic' ver= sions of the real signal. This article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analyt= ic_signal) explains how you can get the I and Q from the real signal with a= n FFT and lopping off the negative frequencies.=C2=A0 Cheers On 21 August 2014 16:27, apw awhichello@ieee.org [amstereoforum] wrote: =20 >=C2=A0=20 >> You can get all sorts of SDR dongles not much bigger than a USB thumb >> drive which will decode FM and European DVB/DVB+T television for less >> than $20, some for less than $10! So how hard would it be to create >> something like that which could do AM, LW and SW along with FM? > >Not hard, but remember, the main reason FM and DAB are used is the=20 >problem AM has with all the background noise. You can imagine how noisy=20 >an AM radio in a USB dongle next to a computer would be! > >Incidentally, the Australian mag "Silicon Chip" had details of an=20 >upconverter to put LW, MW and SW signals into the range suitable for a=20 >USB dongle=20 >.=20 >It used the HDSDR (?) software for spectrum analysis (which can decode=20 >AM, amongst other modes, so AM stereo shouldn't be that hard). I've used=20 >Sodira to decode DRM transmissions in the MW band from the output of my=20 >wideband AM tuner, so again AM stereo should be possible if someone=20 >wants to write the codec. > >Adrian. > ---600603132-1603519472-1408682114=:22988 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In ord= er to properly demodulate C-QuAM in any receiver, it's absolutely essential= to preserve the modulated phase components which are embedded in the broad= cast signal. 

By simply conve= rting the IF signal to a digital rendering, one has only converted the ampl= itude modulated envelope of the signal to digital and therefore one cannot = properly extrapolate the L-R portion of the signal and then properly de-mul= tiplex to Left and Right audio.

In an analog radio or a so-called digital radio that converts its = analog IF to a digital IF, a purpose built C-QuAM decoder/demodulator is re= quired to recover the stereo audio. 

Here is a block diagram of "digital IF" converter which incorporates the necess= ary hardware to properly recover and digitally preserve the L-R portion of = a C-QuAM signal.

IF your= SDR doesn't have the equivalent of this, you simply cannot properly recove= r a C-QuAM signal in stereo.


https://patenti= mages.storage.googleapis.com/EP0540195A2/imgf0006.png
 



 


On Thu= rsday, August 21, 2014 10:24 PM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@y= ahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
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That SDR dongle looks interest= ing.

Morgan, I could be wrong but I think that the= I and Q signals can be separated from the 'real' (antenna) signal in digit= al mode (which I think that patent you attached suggests). The I and Q sign= al are the just 'analytic' versions of the real signal. This article (http://en.wikipedia.org/w= iki/Analytic_signal) explains how you can get the I and Q from the real= signal with an FFT and lopping off the negative frequencies. 

<= div style=3D"" class=3D"">Cheers


On 21 August 2014 16:27, apw awhichello@ieee.= org [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
=20
 
=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20
> You can get all sorts of SDR dongles = not much bigger than a USB thumb
> drive which will decode FM and European DVB/DVB+T television for less<= br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"> > than $20, some for less than $10! So how hard would it be to create > something like that which could do AM, LW and SW along with FM?

Not hard, but remember, the main reason FM and DAB are used is the
problem AM has with all the background noise. You can imagine how noisy an AM radio in a USB dongle next to a computer would be!

Incidentally, the Australian mag "Silicon Chip" had details of an
upconverter to put LW, MW and SW signals into the range suitable for a
USB dongle
<http://www.siliconchip.com.au/I= ssue/2013/October/SiDRADIO%3A+An+Integrated+SDR+Using+A+DVB-T+Dongle,+Pt.1<= /a>>.
It used the HDSDR (?) software for spectrum analysis (which can decode
AM, amongst other modes, so AM stereo shouldn't be that hard). I've used Sodira to decode DRM transmissions in the MW band from the output of my wideband AM tuner, so again AM stereo should be possible if someone
wants to write the codec.

Adrian.
=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20
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---600603132-1603519472-1408682114=:22988-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Aug 21 22:54:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85043 invoked by uid 102); 22 Aug 2014 05:54:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2014 05:54:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28324 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2014 05:54:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vc0-f177.google.com) (98.139.245.163) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2014 05:54:20 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hy4so11585892vcb.8 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 22:54:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.61.5 with SMTP id wu5mr2499515vcb.13.1408686859848; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 22:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.9.71 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 22:54:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1408682114.22988.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <53F5AD70.6080202@velocitynet.com.au> <1408682114.22988.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:54:19 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113637d0e192f605013177b1 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on Android? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=FaHVeHo5tQrkikEw46dmxDQNi_JZC1kaONja-wRoviQfegoV X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --001a113637d0e192f605013177b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Morgan, that block diagram shows the IF output of the analog tuner being converted to digital (A/D) straight away. Nothing is converted back to analogue until the Left and Right has already been decoded. It doesn't say whether they are implementing the Envelope Detector, Concurrent Filter, Synchronous Detector etc in hardware or software, but any digital processing can be done in software. Dan On 22 August 2014 12:35, Morgan Robert outsource73@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > In order to properly demodulate C-QuAM in any receiver, it's absolutely > essential to preserve the modulated phase components which are embedded i= n > the broadcast signal. > > By simply converting the IF signal to a digital rendering, one has only > converted the amplitude modulated envelope of the signal to digital and > therefore one cannot properly extrapolate the L-R portion of the signal a= nd > then properly de-multiplex to Left and Right audio. > > In an analog radio or a so-called digital radio that converts its analog > IF to a digital IF, a purpose built C-QuAM decoder/demodulator is require= d > to recover the stereo audio. > > Here is a block diagram of "digital IF" converter which incorporates the > necessary hardware to properly recover and digitally preserve the L-R > portion of a C-QuAM signal. > > IF your SDR doesn't have the equivalent of this, you simply cannot > properly recover a C-QuAM signal in stereo. > > > https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/EP0540195A2/imgf0006.png > > > > > > > [image: image] > > > > > > > > View on patentimages.storag... > > Preview by Yahoo > > > > > On Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:24 PM, "Daniel Piccoli > piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" > wrote: > > > > That SDR dongle looks interesting. > > Morgan, I could be wrong but I think that the I and Q signals can be > separated from the 'real' (antenna) signal in digital mode (which I think > that patent you attached suggests). The I and Q signal are the just > 'analytic' versions of the real signal. This article ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_signal) explains how you can get > the I and Q from the real signal with an FFT and lopping off the negative > frequencies. > > Cheers > > > On 21 August 2014 16:27, apw awhichello@ieee.org [amstereoforum] < > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > You can get all sorts of SDR dongles not much bigger than a USB thumb > > drive which will decode FM and European DVB/DVB+T television for less > > than $20, some for less than $10! So how hard would it be to create > > something like that which could do AM, LW and SW along with FM? > > Not hard, but remember, the main reason FM and DAB are used is the > problem AM has with all the background noise. You can imagine how noisy > an AM radio in a USB dongle next to a computer would be! > > Incidentally, the Australian mag "Silicon Chip" had details of an > upconverter to put LW, MW and SW signals into the range suitable for a > USB dongle > < > http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2013/October/SiDRADIO%3A+An+Integrate= d+SDR+Using+A+DVB-T+Dongle,+Pt.1>. > > It used the HDSDR (?) software for spectrum analysis (which can decode > AM, amongst other modes, so AM stereo shouldn't be that hard). I've used > Sodira to decode DRM transmissions in the MW band from the output of my > wideband AM tuner, so again AM stereo should be possible if someone > wants to write the codec. > > Adrian. > > > > >=20=20=20=20 > --001a113637d0e192f605013177b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Morgan,

that block diagram shows the= IF output of the analog tuner being converted to digital (A/D) straight aw= ay. Nothing is converted back to analogue until the Left and Right has alre= ady been decoded.

It doesn't say whether they are implementing the En= velope Detector, Concurrent Filter, Synchronous Detector etc in hardware or= software, but any digital processing can be done in software.

Dan


On 22 A= ugust 2014 12:35, Morgan Robert ou= tsource73@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogr= oups.com> wrote:
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In order to properly demodulate C-QuAM in any receiver, = it's absolutely essential to preserve the modulated phase components wh= ich are embedded in the broadcast signal.=C2=A0

By simply converting the IF signal to a digital rendering, one has only= converted the amplitude modulated envelope of the signal to digital and th= erefore one cannot properly extrapolate the L-R portion of the signal and t= hen properly de-multiplex to Left and Right audio.

In an analog radio or a so-called digital radio that converts its analo= g IF to a digital IF, a purpose built C-QuAM decoder/demodulator is require= d to recover the stereo audio.=C2=A0

Here is a block diagram of "digital IF" converter which incorporates = the necessary hardware to properly recover and digitally preserve the L-R p= ortion of a C-QuAM signal.

IF your SDR doesn't have the equivale= nt of this, you simply cannot properly recover a C-QuAM signal in stereo.

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com= /EP0540195A2/imgf0006.png
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On Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:24 PM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups= .com> wrote:


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That SDR dongle looks interesting.

Morgan, I could be wrong but I think that the I and Q sign= als can be separated from the 'real' (antenna) signal in digital mo= de (which I think that patent you attached suggests). The I and Q signal ar= e the just 'analytic' versions of the real signal. This article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_signal<= /a>) explains how you can get the I and Q from the real signal with an FFT = and lopping off the negative frequencies.=C2=A0

Cheers


On 21 August 2014 16:27, apw awhich= ello@ieee.org [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> You can get all sorts of SDR dongles not much bigger than a= USB thumb
> drive which will decode FM and European DVB/DVB+T television for less<= br clear=3D"none"> > than $20, some for less than $10! So how hard would it be to create > something like that which could do AM, LW and SW along with FM?

Not hard, but remember, the main reason FM and DAB are used is the
problem AM has with all the background noise. You can imagine how noisy an AM radio in a USB dongle next to a computer would be!

Incidentally, the Australian mag "Silicon Chip" had details of an=
upconverter to put LW, MW and SW signals into the range suitable for a
USB dongle
<http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2013/October/SiDR= ADIO%3A+An+Integrated+SDR+Using+A+DVB-T+Dongle,+Pt.1>.
It used the HDSDR (?) software for spectrum analysis (which can decode
AM, amongst other modes, so AM stereo shouldn't be that hard). I've= used
Sodira to decode DRM transmissions in the MW band from the output of my wideband AM tuner, so again AM stereo should be possible if someone
wants to write the codec.

Adrian.
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=443830900; y=WLN9PUqig53rnE3pVuXONYiOaRoOaNXlSEhGPx4T0BN8oN4AqAY X-Yahoo-Profile: outsource73 From: Morgan Robert ---912952397-1849116977-1408693524=:73414 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Back to the point of the thread.=C2=A0 Nope, you can't take the digital IF = signal from a non C-QuAM compatible SDR or a regular AM radio and demodulat= e C-QuAM in an Android device. In order to demodulate the C-QuAM signal it is best for the average Joe tes= ting and reading this thread, to convert the IF from an AM radio to L+R and= L-R, while the C-QuAM signal is in its native analog. =C2=A0 The reason fo= r this is low cost and minimal complexity.=20 If you want to do it digitally, you need an application specific device, wh= ich properly prepares the C-QuAM IF prior to digital conversion so that the= resulting bit stream can be demodulated by a DSP. Purpose built C-QuAM com= patible DSP radio chips do exist (or did 20 years ago). BTW, the ITT CAP 3001 is an AM - FM DSP based radio receiver on a single ch= ip, which is C-QuAM compatible.=C2=A0=20 On Friday, August 22, 2014 12:54 AM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com = [amstereoforum]" wrote: =20 =C2=A0=20 Hi Morgan, that block diagram shows the IF output of the analog tuner being converted = to digital (A/D) straight away. Nothing is converted back to analogue until= the Left and Right has already been decoded. It doesn't say whether they are implementing the Envelope Detector, Concurr= ent Filter, Synchronous Detector etc in hardware or software, but any digit= al processing can be done in software. Dan On 22 August 2014 12:35, Morgan Robert outsource73@yahoo.com [amstereoforum= ] wrote: =20 >=C2=A0=20 >In order to properly demodulate C-QuAM in any receiver, it's absolutely es= sential to preserve the modulated phase components which are embedded in th= e broadcast signal.=C2=A0=20 > >By simply converting the IF signal to a digital rendering, one has only co= nverted the amplitude modulated envelope of the signal to digital and there= fore one cannot properly extrapolate the L-R portion of the signal and then= properly de-multiplex to Left and Right audio.=20 > >In an analog radio or a so-called digital radio that converts its analog I= F to a digital IF, a purpose built C-QuAM decoder/demodulator is required t= o recover the stereo audio.=C2=A0=20 > >Here is a block diagram of "digital IF" converter which incorporates the necess= ary hardware to properly recover and digitally preserve the L-R portion of = a C-QuAM signal. > >IF your SDR doesn't have the equivalent of this, you simply cannot properl= y recover a C-QuAM signal in stereo. > > >https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/EP0540195A2/imgf0006.png >=C2=A0 > > > > >=C2=A0=20 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20=20=20 >View on patentimages.storag... Preview by Yahoo=20=20 >=C2=A0=20 >=C2=A0 > > > >On Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:24 PM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.c= om [amstereoforum]" wrote: >=20 > > >=C2=A0=20 >That SDR dongle looks interesting. > > >Morgan, I could be wrong but I think that the I and Q signals can be separ= ated from the 'real' (antenna) signal in digital mode (which I think that p= atent you attached suggests). The I and Q signal are the just 'analytic' ve= rsions of the real signal. This article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analy= tic_signal) explains how you can get the I and Q from the real signal with = an FFT and lopping off the negative frequencies.=C2=A0 > > >Cheers > > > >On 21 August 2014 16:27, apw awhichello@ieee.org [amstereoforum] wrote: > >=20 >>=C2=A0=20 >>> You can get all sorts of SDR dongles not much bigger than a USB thumb >>> drive which will decode FM and European DVB/DVB+T television for less >>> than $20, some for less than $10! So how hard would it be to create >>> something like that which could do AM, LW and SW along with FM? >> >>Not hard, but remember, the main reason FM and DAB are used is the=20 >>problem AM has with all the background noise. You can imagine how noisy=20 >>an AM radio in a USB dongle next to a computer would be! >> >>Incidentally, the Australian mag "Silicon Chip" had details of an=20 >>upconverter to put LW, MW and SW signals into the range suitable for a=20 >>USB dongle=20 >>.=20 >>It used the HDSDR (?) software for spectrum analysis (which can decode=20 >>AM, amongst other modes, so AM stereo shouldn't be that hard). I've used= =20 >>Sodira to decode DRM transmissions in the MW band from the output of my=20 >>wideband AM tuner, so again AM stereo should be possible if someone=20 >>wants to write the codec. >> >>Adrian. >> > > > ---912952397-1849116977-1408693524=:73414 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Back to the point of the thread.  Nope, you c= an't take the digital IF signal from a non C-QuAM compatible SDR or a regul= ar AM radio and demodulate C-QuAM in an Android device.

In order to= demodulate the C-QuAM signal it is best for the average Joe testing and re= ading this thread, to convert the IF from an AM radio to L+R and L-R, while= the C-QuAM signal is in its native analog.   The reason for this is l= ow cost and minimal complexity.

If you want to do it digitally, you= need an application specific device, which properly prepares the C-QuAM IF= prior to digital conversion so that the resulting bit stream can be demodu= lated by a DSP. Purpose built C-QuAM compatible DSP radio chips do exist (o= r did 20 years ago).

BTW, the ITT CAP 3001 is an AM - FM DSP based radio receiver on a single chip, which is C-QuAM compatible.  <= br>










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On F= riday, August 22, 2014 12:54 AM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com [ams= tereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
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Hi Morgan,

that bl= ock diagram shows the IF output of the analog tuner being converted to digi= tal (A/D) straight away. Nothing is converted back to analogue until the Le= ft and Right has already been decoded.

It doesn't say whether they are implemen= ting the Envelope Detector, Concurrent Filter, Synchronous Detector etc in = hardware or software, but any digital processing can be done in software.

Dan


On 22 August 2014 12:35, Morga= n Robert outsource= 73@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogro= ups.com> wrote:
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In order to properly demodulate C-QuAM in any receiver, i= t's absolutely essential to preserve the modulated phase components which a= re embedded in the broadcast signal. 

By simply converting the IF signal to a digital renderin= g, one has only converted the amplitude modulated envelope of the signal to= digital and therefore one cannot properly extrapolate the L-R portion of t= he signal and then properly de-multiplex to Left and Right audio.

In an analog radio or a so-called digital radio that con= verts its analog IF to a digital IF, a purpose built C-QuAM decoder/demodul= ator is required to recover the stereo audio. 

Here is a block diagram of "digital IF" converter which incorporates the necess= ary hardware to properly recover and digitally preserve the L-R portion of = a C-QuAM signal.

IF your SDR doesn't h= ave the equivalent of this, you simply cannot properly recover a C-QuAM sig= nal in stereo.


https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/EP0540195A2/= imgf0006.png
 



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On Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:24 PM, "Daniel Piccoli p= iccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
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On 21 August 2014 16:27, apw awhichello@ieee.org [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> You can get all sorts of SDR dongles not much bigger than a= USB thumb
> drive which will decode FM and European DVB/DVB+T television for less<= br clear=3D"none"> > than $20, some for less than $10! So how hard would it be to create > something like that which could do AM, LW and SW along with FM?

Not hard, but remember, the main reason FM and DAB are used is the
problem AM has with all the background noise. You can imagine how noisy an AM radio in a USB dongle next to a computer would be!

Incidentally, the Australian mag "Silicon Chip" had details of an
upconverter to put LW, MW and SW signals into the range suitable for a
USB dongle
<http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2013/October/SiDR= ADIO%3A+An+Integrated+SDR+Using+A+DVB-T+Dongle,+Pt.1>.
It used the HDSDR (?) software for spectrum analysis (which can decode
AM, amongst other modes, so AM stereo shouldn't be that hard). I've used Sodira to decode DRM transmissions in the MW band from the output of my wideband AM tuner, so again AM stereo should be possible if someone
wants to write the codec.

Adrian.
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---912952397-1849116977-1408693524=:73414-- From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 22 17:58:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73846 invoked by uid 102); 23 Aug 2014 00:58:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2014 00:58:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15994 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2014 00:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.245.163) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2014 00:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2014 00:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.152] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2014 00:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2014 00:58:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 893597.94677.bm@omp1028.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81200 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2014 00:58:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B4s1cDIVM1kOT5cYximwj_Z9q8xY.u7Ua6CD0ljHie3i4Uw uDEAtEzR8nfoXiFTyCN7HDmJ.igiTegzqzgrK5u0x_nG16tIBxtBEtnX07Fv .gCttb7gml0yAHqgo9a8mA_8mP6Ag5Q2Bulk.el7C29QVFvG40wTfrsF3xa9 MgB5N76u2wkenJRlFcpJ0eymOStrdoahWSE4DU0wSNAFL5DXiAwjm.7ZAp9v nInfOvuqcO9LJqaZcSW28YmLrK3Sn1y3GfkEJC1GG3e6GeuC0Qwc5UPhRH15 wYL5Pzxt0H3LK34rUJQBy4MFS0eH1tDrzW9UDtD0OgZZUpdZ0FGT7i9rjiet 60ZcExDjnJjYf2OPpAvMO2SCDut4JJtNaAFypd9L_9VOtaxUMGZzu05FxKUq dTRXiy01Oi7N7dPqRENJO8tIazGlOO1p.Xx0EflG21uHP7vnVjXm5FgOrIRj oye3PRH6qTEz3SBM8tZkT6W5LSjUxC.s82pej2USL5C.lrQ_jJcpRqZkYZn9 k86hTGK4E71afEfP3md8q_BJoIU5rjyyeM.lhUjdjTM0fj7dP1o4RmYsZKUo M1sSsHbsR5bXazFcIuw-- X-Received: from [104.9.172.6] by web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:58:00 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,wqBIaSBHYW5nwqAgSSBjYW4gc2VlIHRoYXQgYXQgbGVhc3QgeW91IGNhbiB1c2UgdGhlIEFuZHJvaWQgdGVjLiBmb3Igc3RhdGlvbiBpbmZvLiBhbmQgc29uZyB0aXRsZSBhbmQgdHJhZmZpYyBhbmQgdXNlIEFNQVggdGVjIGZvciBBTSBTUkVSRU8uwqAgSWYgeW91IGNvdWxkIHVzZSBzb2Z0d2FyZSB0byBkZWNvZGUgQy1RdUFNwqAgY291bGQgeW91IGdldCB0aGUgZnVsbCBiYW5kd2lkdGjCoCBmb3IgZ29vZCBhdWRpbz8gSmltIFNtaXRoCgEwAQEBAQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.201.700 Message-ID: <1408755480.9923.YahooMailNeo@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:58:00 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="2044483418-1364472515-1408755480=:9923" X-Originating-IP: 216.109.115.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Reply-To: jim smith Subject: AM STEREO and Antroid X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=nnAXzHwxrkQJz5dvUfqM2QkeiWYgohfXK3LGoyMtyhPPxMDGCcpBlMh7fRl-JXjoQYM8EVVW X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith --2044483418-1364472515-1408755480=:9923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0Hi Gang=A0 I can see that at least you can use the Android tec. for stat= ion info. and song title and traffic and use AMAX tec for AM SREREO.=A0 If = you could use software to decode C-QuAM=A0 could you get the full bandwidth= =A0 for good audio? Jim Smith --2044483418-1364472515-1408755480=:9923 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Hi Gang  I can see that at least you can use = the Android tec. for station info. and song title and traffic and use AMAX = tec for AM SREREO.  If you could use software to decode C-QuAM  c= ould you get the full bandwidth  for good audio? Jim Smith
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Fri, 22 Aug 2014 19:29:33 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,V2VsbCBhbG1vc3QgYW55IEFNIHJhZGlvIGNhbiBiZSBjb252ZXJ0ZWQgdG8gQU0gU3RlcmVvLsKgIEFsbCB0aGF0IGlzIG5lZWQgaXMgYW4gb3V0Ym9hcmQgbW9kdWxlIGxpa2UgdGhpcyBvbmU6CgpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmViYXkuY29tL2l0bS9BTS1DUVVBTS1TVEVSRU8tUmVjZWl2aW5nLUNvbnZlcnRlci1Cb2FyZC1tYWtpbmctYW55LXJhZGlvLXRvLWdldC1BTS1TdGVyZW8tLzE5MTI2MjE1NjQxMj9wdD1VU19SYWRpb19UdW5lcnMmaGFzaD1pdGVtMmM4ODFjZTY3YwoKCgpPbiBGcmlkYXksIEF1Z3VzdCAyMiwBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.201.700 References: <53F5AD70.6080202@velocitynet.com.au> <1408682114.22988.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1408693524.73414.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1408760973.69550.YahooMailNeo@web162303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 19:29:33 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1505502989-1314447248-1408760973=:69550" X-Originating-IP: 98.139.212.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Reply-To: Morgan Robert Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on Android? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=443830900; y=cLFDHZtyOrA13DRqF0BvouzuAQm-vABqIfC4zRntn_mcJRZve-k X-Yahoo-Profile: outsource73 From: Morgan Robert ---1505502989-1314447248-1408760973=:69550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well almost any AM radio can be converted to AM Stereo.=C2=A0 All that is n= eed is an outboard module like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AM-CQUAM-STEREO-Receiving-Converter-Board-making-an= y-radio-to-get-AM-Stereo-/191262156412?pt=3DUS_Radio_Tuners&hash=3Ditem2c88= 1ce67c On Friday, August 22, 2014 8:18 PM, "scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum]= " wrote: =20 =C2=A0=20 >BTW, the ITT CAP 3001 is an AM - FM DSP based radio receiver on a single chip, which is C-QuAM compatible. <<=C2=A0= If that puppy is still available, anyone here up to the challenge of desig= ning a receiver with it?=C2=A0 I lack both time and raw engineering smarts = to do it myself.Scott Todd ---1505502989-1314447248-1408760973=:69550 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well a= lmost any AM radio can be converted to AM Stereo.  All that is need is= an outboard module like this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AM-CQUAM-STEREO-R= eceiving-Converter-Board-making-any-radio-to-get-AM-Stereo-/191262156412?pt= =3DUS_Radio_Tuners&hash=3Ditem2c881ce67c
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>BTW, the I= TT CAP 3001 is an AM - FM DSP based radio receiver on a single chip, which is C-QuAM compatible. <<=   If that puppy is still available, anyone here up to the challenge of= designing a receiver with it?  I lack both time and raw engineering s= marts to do it myself.Scott Todd
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=443830900; y=9wyJh-GwV2FcIa2jj4mhmB3e4cZ_5cCwf-B7qJzu1WjY22T9zyU X-Yahoo-Profile: outsource73 From: Morgan Robert ---477789512-44831750-1408774454=:66126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It would be a neat feature to have in a AM-FM radio but sadly the potential= market for AM Stereo is practically non-existent. On Friday, August 22, 2014 9:39 PM, "scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum]= " wrote: =20 =C2=A0=20 I've done a number of analog radio conversions, though I've found cheaper U= S sources for decoder boards.=C2=A0 I was thinking it would be better devel= oping a new radio which could be mass produced.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Scott Todd ---477789512-44831750-1408774454=:66126 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It would be a neat= feature to have in a AM-FM radio but sadly the potential market for AM Ste= reo is practically non-existent.





On Friday, August 22, 2014 9:= 39 PM, "scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogrou= ps.com> wrote:


 
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I've done a number of analog radio conversions, though I've foun= d cheaper US sources for decoder boards.  I was thinking it would be b= etter developing a new radio which could be mass produced.   = ;        Scott Todd
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---477789512-44831750-1408774454=:66126-- From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Aug 23 00:30:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: toddroberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8406 invoked by uid 102); 23 Aug 2014 07:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m14.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2014 07:30:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 958 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2014 07:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-m04.mx.aol.com) (98.139.245.165) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2014 07:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.85]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 15F3670000092 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 03:30:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mga01f.mail.aol.com (core-mga01.mail.aol.com [172.27.97.1]) by mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CABF138000082 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 03:30:44 -0400 (EDT) References: <53F5AD70.6080202@velocitynet.com.au> <1408682114.22988.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1408693524.73414.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1408760973.69550.YahooMailNeo@web162303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1408760973.69550.YahooMailNeo@web162303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D18CBB48C7BBBF_21E0_5D130_webmail-m241.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail STANDARD X-Received: from 67.20.142.61 by webmail-m241.sysops.aol.com (64.12.138.238) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 23 Aug 2014 03:30:44 -0400 Message-Id: <8D18CBB481C58BF-21E0-1A602@webmail-m241.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 03:30:44 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd5553f84324380d X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on Android? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=KFDuQAbYjjemoAxQmCQiUPOKjR9xkCxkWo-hDu3jySqn7LDogm_W X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 From: Todd Roberts ----------MB_8D18CBB48C7BBBF_21E0_5D130_webmail-m241.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi All, I still think the best bang for the buck for a complete AM Stereo tuner wi= th a very good FM section also is the Delco UX1 car radio. It has a very hot AM tuner section= with an external antenna connector, manual choice of two bandwidths using the manual stereo/mono but= ton. Digital tuning in 10 kHz steps, full coverage from 530-1710 kHz.=20 The best ones were made from 1994 -1997 and many came with the Chevy S10 sm= all truck. Many consider them one of the all-time best car radios GM ever made. They are easily available on eBay. One recently sold for 5$ plus shipping a= few weeks ago. They normally sell in the $20-$45 range on eBay and turn up there often. The build quality is excellent, I believe the original OEM price for them w= as in the $400-$500 range. They can be modified for a direct line-level output to drive an external au= dio amplifier with. This bypasses most of the internal audio circuits for extra-clean audio to an ex= ternal audio amp directly from the AM stereo decoder chip. It can be easily run from a 2-3 amp regulated 13.8 vdc power supply. Definitely worth considering for a high-quality AM Stereo tuner at a reason= able price. 73 Todd - WD4NGG -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Robert outsource73@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 10:29 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on Android? =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Well almost any AM radio can be converted to AM Stereo. All that is need i= s an outboard module like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AM-CQUAM-STEREO-Receiving-Converter-Board-making-an= y-radio-to-get-AM-Stereo-/191262156412?pt=3DUS_Radio_Tuners&hash=3Ditem2c88= 1ce67c =20 =20 =20 =20 On Friday, August 22, 2014 8:18 PM, "scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforu= m]" wrote: =20=20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >BTW, the ITT CAP 3001 is an AM - FM DSPbased radio receiver on a single ch= ip, which is C-QuAM compatible. << If that puppy is still available, anyon= e here up to the challenge of designing a receiver with it? I lack both ti= me and raw engineering smarts to do it myself.Scott Todd =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D18CBB48C7BBBF_21E0_5D130_webmail-m241.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi All,
 I still think the best bang for the buck for a complete AM = Stereo tuner with a very good FM
section also is the Delco UX1 car radio. It has a very hot AM tun= er section with an external antenna
connector, manual choice of two bandwidths using the manual = stereo/mono button. Digital tuning in
10 kHz steps, full coverage from 530-1710 kHz.
 
The best ones were made from 1994 -1997 and many came with the Chevy S= 10 small truck.
Many consider them one of the all-time best car radios GM ever made.
 
They are easily available on eBay. One recently sold for 5$ plus shipp= ing a few weeks ago.
They normally sell in the $20-$45 range on eBay and  turn up ther= e often.
The build quality is excellent, I believe the original OEM price = for them was in the $400-$500 range.
 
They can be modified for a direct line-level output to drive an extern= al audio amplifier with. This
bypasses most of the internal audio circuits for extra-clean audio to&= nbsp;an external audio amp directly
from the AM stereo decoder chip.
It can be easily run from a 2-3 amp regulated 13.8 vdc power supply.
 
Definitely worth considering for a high-quality AM Stereo tuner a= t a reasonable price.
 
73 Todd - WD4NGG
 
 
 
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From: Morgan Robert outsource73@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum= @yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 10:29 pm
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on Android?

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Well almost any AM radio can be converted to AM Stereo.  Al= l that is need is an outboard module like this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AM-CQUAM-S= TEREO-Receiving-Converter-Board-making-any-radio-to-get-AM-Stereo-/19126215= 6412?pt=3DUS_Radio_Tuners&hash=3Ditem2c881ce67c
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>BTW, the ITT CAP 3001 is an AM - FM DSP based radio receiver on a single chip, which is C-QuAM compatible. <<=   If that puppy is still available, anyone here up to the challenge of= designing a receiver with it?  I lack both time and raw engineering s= marts to do it myself.Scott Todd
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----------MB_8D18CBB48C7BBBF_21E0_5D130_webmail-m241.sysops.aol.com-- From outsource73@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 13:23:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: outsource73@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5157 invoked by uid 102); 23 Aug 2014 20:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2014 20:23:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18143 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2014 20:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm32-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.245.163) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2014 20:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm32.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2014 20:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.242] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2014 20:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2014 20:23:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 595097.84558.bm@omp1051.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 71399 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2014 20:23:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SgV79pQVM1monOCbuB9NoNwh08lfyT0CURdprFaoRbcYq4b aX_SN2G9OSNlCBTruNQtsuIzzIRSab4p1UA5RSO8j618QsxqfW.YOOGfnxk6 vtvyL5oAQt_RC_ZjXwOg5fv.dL0NJJo4jMUP.DaxA1B5lLYyIrqSmJ8EpvdU v64shXI_DOaQ8WSHnqI__4jZHRIaqJyjI0OzvRm5bAoUmOex5a5Jo1SHrutP Hr7LI.pSm3026MsyjN0wfx_3qrvClIG03_j6.txuOkxa_pxZE9U89Hw3s_OR crbm1ggZBKJs5pO5Fo.eqFGTnM8AZK1AI2e8SCW8DD81RDz4oYsaWoTcvT8h rs.n061zUM00sGvkEUp2mXKDo.DiiQY7SUsI9FusjrG74NbNqq22Ux4nJhm7 qTJ_M5RF8Kx1DBu.ld6rBmLxcjehnFxJ1REztkAk7W1gGHX_3TKlmY7fcMae aK1u9N.eg8ikQpLt52wsUUhW4f4NczfXRYeZb2xP3yGomWL.2RQ7Ee81v50r 6KHFaRiyEtZwe1YGn1ItOFRgGsq_pYaDPhAI8WhgTBlX1RK93Vm_m6rz2s3p FZLBxe.lxxfie.xGi.79Xy9PawPe9Dzk4Od1lA0wPzWUm4f8A1eo883rHOgn 0SpDCFddmE_Zhvk6gMlCBzmSPX7.3mVnPFwe2ek7iIv49vYoLN2TEy629H6b 3ygCRhXSNZrY4guvqM1UC_rt7 X-Received: from [24.246.44.24] by web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 13:23:46 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,TW9zdCBMVy1NVy1TVyBBTSB0byBEU1Agc29md2FyZSBkZWZpbmVkIHJhZGlvcyBkb24ndCBzdXBwb3J0IEMtUXVBTSB3aGljaCBpcyBsaWtlbHkgd2h5IGl0J3Mgbm90IHByb21vdGVkIGluIG1hbnVmYWN0dXJlcnMnIGxpdGVyYXR1cmUuCgpFeGFtcGxlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm54cC5jb20vZG9jdW1lbnRzL2xlYWZsZXQvNzUwMTczMTgucGRmCgpGb3IgQy1RdUFNLCBpdCBlc3NlbnRpYWwgdGhhdCB0aGUgcGhhc2UgbW9kdWxhdGlvbiBjb21wb25lbnRzIGVtYmVkZGVkIGluIHRoZSBzaWduYWwgYmUgdHJhbnMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.201.700 Message-ID: <1408825426.71379.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 13:23:46 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-912952397-2064959345-1408825426=:71379" X-Originating-IP: 72.30.238.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 Reply-To: Morgan Robert Subject: Re: AM Stereo on Android? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=443830900; y=5PuQEPFIFbtPrJHZ-vizI3ffirb9nwvDinYbS32Kb6NhZnKNV7w X-Yahoo-Profile: outsource73 From: Morgan Robert ---912952397-2064959345-1408825426=:71379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Most LW-MW-SW AM to DSP sofware defined radios don't support C-QuAM which is likely why it's not promoted in manufacturers' literature. Example: http://www.nxp.com/documents/leaflet/75017318.pdf For C-QuAM, it essential that the phase modulation components embedded in the signal be translated during the analog to digital conversion process. This necessitates a number of preliminary steps before the conversion takes place. If the IF is readily converted as it would be for a mono AM signal, without regard for the phase modulated components of the waveform, the L-R will be lost, which would make de-multiplexing impossible. Here's some background info on how C-QuAM works, which I contributed to Wikipedia some time ago: The C-QUAM signal is composed of two distinct modulation stages. A conventional AM version and a compatible quadrature PM version. Stage 1 provides the transmitter with a summed L+R mono audio input. This input is precisely the same as conventional AM-Mono transmission methods and ensures 100% compatibility with conventional 'envelope detector' receivers. Stage 2 provides the stereo mixed audio input and replaces the conventional crystal oscillator stage of otherwise AM-Mono transmitters. So as to not create interference with 'envelope detector' receivers, the stage 2 signal takes the mixed audio signals and phase modulates both, using a divide-by-4 Johnson counter and two balanced modulators operating 90 degrees out of phase with each other. Stage 2 is not amplitude modulated, it is phase modulated, and is made up of both a L+R input and a L-R input. To recover the 'stereo' audio signals, a 'synchronous detector' is utilized to extract the L-R audio from the phase modulated quadrature portion of the signal created in stage 2. The L+R audio can be extracted from either the AM (stage 1) or the PM (stage 2) modulation component. From there, the audio can be readily de-muxed back to 'stereo', a.k.a. Left and Right channels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-QUAM ---912952397-2064959345-1408825426=:71379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Most LW-MW-SW AM to DSP sofware defined radios don't support C-QuAM which is likely why it's not promoted in manufacturers' literature.

Example: http://www.nxp.com/documents/leaflet/75017318.pdf

For C-QuAM, it essential that the phase modulation components embedded in the signal be translated during the analog to digital conversion process. This necessitates a number of preliminary steps before the conversion takes place. If the IF is readily converted as it would be for a mono AM signal, without regard for the phase modulated components of the waveform, the L-R will be lost, which would make de-multiplexing impossible.


Here's some background info on how C-QuAM works, which I contributed to Wikipedia some time ago:


The C-QUAM signal is composed of two distinct modulation stages. A conventional AM version and a compatible quadrature PM version.

Stage 1 provides the transmitter with a summed L+R mono audio input. This input is precisely the same as conventional AM-Mono transmission methods and ensures 100% compatibility with conventional 'envelope detector' receivers.

Stage 2 provides the stereo mixed audio input and replaces the conventional crystal oscillator stage of otherwise AM-Mono transmitters. So as to not create interference with 'envelope detector' receivers, the stage 2 signal takes the mixed audio signals and phase modulates both, using a divide-by-4 Johnson counter and two balanced modulators operating 90 degrees out of phase with each other. Stage 2 is not amplitude modulated, it is phase modulated, and is made up of both a L+R input and a L-R input.

To recover the 'stereo' audio signals, a 'synchronous detector' is utilized to extract the L-R audio from the phase modulated quadrature portion of the signal created in stage 2. The L+R audio can be extracted from either the AM (stage 1) or the PM (stage 2) modulation component. From there, the audio can be readily de-muxed back to 'stereo', a.k.a. Left and Right channels.
 
---912952397-2064959345-1408825426=:71379-- From tjdeshler@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 14:46:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: tjdeshler@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7747 invoked by uid 102); 23 Aug 2014 21:46:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2014 21:46:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22561 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2014 21:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.138.100.121) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2014 21:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2014 21:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.243] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2014 21:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2014 21:46:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 991320.14772.bm@omp1014.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 23176 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2014 21:46:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: idIi6DkVM1l1t7uocCVoGa8EjAyisKb1INS8DgPdbKQjOIp iZtQ1HCRiCIVM6IZFJyh2WbxRXhWkip8852o2nV6WU9uO_6cGIAlPZUdU4rR FiATTsCPir.3ZfSZyvmBkhNHAZGSydOZGVlcUU9a2H447YMYx1xMJ12wnHP6 yGIf7JNKgxjN8yonYxtsuo5h.CWEiQUbMCnJhVApK1vZYPY5yw3RXEvIndK7 9GA9JMZZm4Z4mt5uxpmFyLPqbTG7cDzz65GOGCqrXuDI1CiTYGmx.k9KcERz bUHbmX0J40PIO4M429H9ABlzG_GX5zCvXX8HmFizxrRORMgy5acu7kSDa15X K21bd01dKEJYr288h_ze08.4RlwUZWKhNGA7sdDFN4Q7tvENNxtB3SNRElcf fMuLT3bzs2mOYyGRK._P9iXEk5z817lOJaYGfajQ9IUgqbcfOBjecFlIdxPI RQusGHnX5VRVyLe25OIJ2.itr.nwqL0EsvnlvoZur2fgTm.whClwY7rL8BJ_ k5rbXxEAnwKNlakbG00MGLJqLYmZy2J_Eb9ilzXk_oqEkYGaywoTRL5fIg0E tgW3hCv8a7dp76Vs91J0eXu8BCxNSrd69Th0jHOwZjyvhZ99FifqpG3RMhW3 AbpLm12s5p2fnDJQfqER3C4C8OLf3HDjBIt5kkmJYYASQXYQlKyvftHpRn4N touxuC4GgfwHir6mBXv_NN2x84wA22xKdiSC4FxbgLGRca9n5XMLrS3ZQd.r 1XHd6BMrvq4Ud1who1sW_NdVHcsICQAEAK.iE X-Received: from [68.183.158.46] by web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:46:10 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,aSBrbm93IHRoZXNlIGFyZSBlbGVjdHJpYyBjYXJzLCBidXQgc3RpbGwgaXQgaXMgYm90aGVyc29tZQpOQUIgQ29udGFjdHMgQk1XIEFib3V0IFJlbW92aW5nIEFNIFJhZGlvCgpTZWNvbmQgQk1XIE1vZGVsIExhY2tzIEFNIAoKwqAKdGhhbmsgeW91IGtpbmRseQp0aW0gZGVzaGxlcgoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.201.700 Message-ID: <1408830370.10352.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:46:10 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1059988013-917971694-1408830370=:10352" X-Originating-IP: 216.39.63.32 Reply-To: timothy deshler Subject: AM removed from dashboard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195264138; y=Osh57LJXv7wCO06WWxrswzfFpFW1i59FNXNMtSBCg05V1ORq X-Yahoo-Profile: tjdeshler From: timothy deshler --1059988013-917971694-1408830370=:10352 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i know these are electric cars, but still it is bothersome NAB Contacts BMW About Removing AM Radio Second BMW Model Lacks AM=20 =A0 thank you kindly tim deshler --1059988013-917971694-1408830370=:10352 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i know these are electric cars, but still it is bo= thersome
NAB Contacts BMW About Removing AM Radio

 
thank you kindlytim deshler
--1059988013-917971694-1408830370=:10352-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sat Aug 23 20:13:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24970 invoked by uid 102); 24 Aug 2014 03:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2014 03:13:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12694 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2014 03:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vc0-f179.google.com) (98.139.170.166) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2014 03:13:42 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hq11so14010873vcb.10 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 20:13:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.86.72 with SMTP id r8mr29602vcl.36.1408850022329; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 20:13:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.9.71 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 20:13:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.9.71 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 20:13:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1408830370.10352.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1408830370.10352.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:13:42 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2097e1f73cd05015775ea X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.179 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM removed from dashboard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=1cJoMD77qxiG1GhUl72xl14XdGQCxVztjzhXFTc7nqsRU1el X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --001a11c2097e1f73cd05015775ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a bit of a pity Tim. I wanted my next car to be electric. I assume Leaf, Tesla and others have AM, I wonder if they overcame interference issues. On Aug 24, 2014 5:46 AM, "timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" wrote: > > > i know these are electric cars, but still it is bothersome > NAB Contacts BMW About Removing AM Radio > > > Second BMW Model Lacks AM > > > thank you kindly > tim deshler >=20=20 > --001a11c2097e1f73cd05015775ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That's a bit of a pity Tim. I wanted my next car to be electric. I a= ssume Leaf, Tesla and others have AM, I wonder if they overcame interferenc= e issues.

On Aug 24, 2014 5:46 AM, "timothy deshler <= a href=3D"mailto:tjdeshler@yahoo.com">tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforu= m]" <amstereoforum= @yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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 Hi Gang  Sadly KMPH AM 840 has stoped playing= oldies music on there AM 840 signal. Its a bible stations now. They still = stream there oldies music on there web site. Jim Smith
---137486945-561891663-1408866411=:96984-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Aug 24 21:21:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56981 invoked by uid 102); 25 Aug 2014 04:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2014 04:21:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2582 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2014 04:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-la0-f48.google.com) (98.139.170.167) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2014 04:21:43 -0000 X-Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id gl10so12301306lab.35 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 21:21:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.203.130 with SMTP id kq2mr274471lac.89.1408940502020; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 21:21:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.25.159.205 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 21:21:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1408755480.9923.YahooMailNeo@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1408755480.9923.YahooMailNeo@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:21:41 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11347c5821f8d905016c86da X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO and Antroid X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=hN_JYaf5DBDXYBIouud0qbfHrB9VTr-DOtPE-GKurAk1dQ9b X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --001a11347c5821f8d905016c86da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, you could get full bandwidth as long as the hardware front end lets through the full bandwidth. On 23 August 2014 08:58, jim smith jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > Hi Gang I can see that at least you can use the Android tec. for statio= n > info. and song title and traffic and use AMAX tec for AM SREREO. If you > could use software to decode C-QuAM could you get the full bandwidth fo= r > good audio? Jim Smith > >=20=20 > --001a11347c5821f8d905016c86da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jim,

you could get full bandwidth as= long as the hardware front end lets through the full bandwidth.


On 23 August= 2014 08:58, jim smith jimsm= ith95650@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yaho= ogroups.com> wrote:
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--001a11347c5821f8d905016c86da-- From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 25 19:37:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78316 invoked by uid 102); 26 Aug 2014 02:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m16.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2014 02:37:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5054 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2014 02:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.245.165) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2014 02:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.235.64] by n10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2014 02:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.75.124] by t1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2014 02:37:10 -0000 Date: 25 Aug 2014 19:37:10 -0700 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gapi6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2014 02:37:10 -0000 To: Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1408755480.9923.YahooMailNeo@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net In-Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="9nlWnTS9ocNmxdhsK3FKVLWiM6a5jwOaA8HvrLV" X-Originating-IP: 238.185.20.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 238.185.20.2 Reply-To: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO and Antroid X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=8Qpy5gO2EOb7jQ0G6xPOh6amk4ZKCgeigpWZaXB6ql7KhZeXel5d_n6o_GDWr2D7bcqFXjYZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --9nlWnTS9ocNmxdhsK3FKVLWiM6a5jwOaA8HvrLV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGkgIFdvdWxkIHRoYXQgYmUgdHJ1ZSB1bmRlciBzb2Z0d2FyZSBvbmx5ICByYWRpbyBsaWtl IHdpdGggWEZNIHJhZGlvIHN0YXRpb24gd2FzIHJlY2VpdmVkLiBUaGF0IGRpZCBub3Qgc291 bmQgbGlrZSBmdWxsIGJhbmR3aXRoICAuIEFsdGhvdWdoIGl0IHdhcyBzb3J0d2F2ZS4gSSB0 aGluayB0aGF0IFhGTSB3b3VsZCBoYXZlIHNvdW5kZWQgYmV0dGVyIGlmIHRoYXQgd2FzIGEg Zm9yY2VkIEFNIFNURVJFTyByYWRpby4uIEppbSBTbWl0aA== --9nlWnTS9ocNmxdhsK3FKVLWiM6a5jwOaA8HvrLV Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGkmbmJzcDsgV291bGQgdGhhdCBiZSB0cnVlIHVuZGVyIHNvZnR3YXJlIG9ubHkmbmJzcDsg cmFkaW8gbGlrZSB3aXRoIFhGTSByYWRpbyBzdGF0aW9uIHdhcyByZWNlaXZlZC4gVGhhdCBk aWQgbm90IHNvdW5kIGxpa2UgZnVsbCBiYW5kd2l0aCZuYnNwOyAuIEFsdGhvdWdoIGl0Jm5i c3A7d2FzIHNvcnR3YXZlLiBJIHRoaW5rIHRoYXQgWEZNIHdvdWxkIGhhdmUgc291bmRlZCBi ZXR0ZXIgaWYgdGhhdCB3YXMgYSBmb3JjZWQgQU0gU1RFUkVPIHJhZGlvLi4gSmltIFNtaXRo --9nlWnTS9ocNmxdhsK3FKVLWiM6a5jwOaA8HvrLV-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Aug 25 19:47:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65198 invoked by uid 102); 26 Aug 2014 02:47:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2014 02:47:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2920 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2014 02:47:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lb0-f172.google.com) (98.139.170.166) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2014 02:47:28 -0000 X-Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id w7so625485lbi.3 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:47:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.26.6 with SMTP id h6mr11789566lag.74.1409021246736; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.25.159.205 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:47:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1408755480.9923.YahooMailNeo@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:47:26 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160bcc0e48f2c05017f5234 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO and Antroid X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=OoF8UKS3yB6sAD0EtnFrCOoEggYy78V8I3FXq6-ESSd9B1J9 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --089e0160bcc0e48f2c05017f5234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, as you can see in this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6Bjo26Z391A) the baseband bandwidth is adjustable in software. Remember that the software relies on hardware to feed it the signal to process. This could effect the bandwidth also. On 26 August 2014 10:37, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Hi Would that be true under software only radio like with XFM radio > station was received. That did not sound like full bandwith . Although > it was sortwave. I think that XFM would have sounded better if that was a > forced AM STEREO radio.. Jim Smith >=20=20 > --089e0160bcc0e48f2c05017f5234 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jim,

as you can see in this one (https://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3D6Bjo26Z391A) the baseband bandwidth is adjustable in soft= ware.

Remember that the software relies on hardware to feed i= t the signal to process. This could effect the bandwidth also.
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On 26 August 2= 014 10:37, jimsmith95650@sbc= global.net [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com<= /a>> wrote:
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Hi=C2=A0 Would that be true under software only=C2=A0 radio like w= ith XFM radio station was received. That did not sound like full bandwith= =C2=A0 . Although it=C2=A0was sortwave. I think that XFM would have sounded= better if that was a forced AM STEREO radio.. Jim Smith

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--089e0160bcc0e48f2c05017f5234-- From jmrouse@mail.com Wed Aug 27 13:48:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91588 invoked by uid 102); 27 Aug 2014 20:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m14.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2014 20:48:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17289 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2014 20:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.com) (98.138.215.83) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2014 20:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from [108.36.232.148] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa14.server.lan (via HTTP); Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:48:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:48:05 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:2zcNA8bqXcxxDDIv4mC5HWvN41QitJzqkubtfOxjMSr GreKk0dN0tqVhk9iKazagA8V1gW2c5CqARFs0lgdwIM9AKejrb wkA79NJFaOr1lMONmTXc7T4/bBcmpqhl3xQxcDB1VVAKl6lfdN n6bPbm0qSJOZ7s7YRCcXYClSbv+K92vatWfJNvIV4HTBusv+br I2nXMBO3VxEi+oUTv+gMu+zzlnmaeWgC+oTadKGGbVcaPLDli+ R0b7cbFF/ERntmW+isOdxZviUEqjLbN4hqAHpxdwYLFITuLwLz TAAitIejBeFUWih6NCCYsaID003 X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Just a thought X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=9NWylZk7zYvhsVpCvFbnWal0QDtyQsp8HR5OdI4yhzhA09Z7EVfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Hi Gang,
While thumbing through the dial, I keep getting this annoying question that keeps coming back. 
If an AM broadcaster were allowed the same bandwidth in stereo as an IBOC station, and a receiver was capable of capturing it, I think the result would be stunning.  I think the frequency response could probably go into the dog whistle range.
I know there would be a lot of co-channel interference, but we are already doing this with HD .
I guess my question is this: What is the advantage of using IBOC that keeps broadcasters still using it on AM.
Silly me, I just don't get it.
Have a good day,
Joe R.
From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Aug 27 20:25:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: toddroberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28715 invoked by uid 102); 28 Aug 2014 03:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2014 03:23:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30836 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2014 03:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-d10.mx.aol.com) (98.139.170.167) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2014 03:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mac02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mac02.mx.aol.com [172.26.222.208]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CCE2C7003F623 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:23:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mga03f.mail.aol.com (core-mga03.mail.aol.com [172.27.97.3]) by mtaomg-mac02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 71C6338000082 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:23:58 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D19086A3AC2CD5_28B0_BCFD7_webmail-d251.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail STANDARD X-Received: from 67.20.142.61 by webmail-d251.sysops.aol.com (205.188.17.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:23:58 -0400 Message-Id: <8D19086A37C9155-28B0-35F9D@webmail-d251.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:23:58 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1aded053fea0ce722d X-Originating-IP: 205.188.108.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just a thought X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=4aJRB6z-tqPV-THaXZgHQbxKSt5KpXwsnT-sXIkWFPpnN90Z6hgj X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 From: Todd Roberts ----------MB_8D19086A3AC2CD5_28B0_BCFD7_webmail-d251.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As I understand it, AM IBOC uses a total RF bandwidth of +/- 15 kHz or 30kHz which includes the digital sidebands. Early analog AM stereo stations were allowed to use the same +/- 15 kHz RF= =20 bandwidth but it was reduced to +/- 10 kHz after NRSC-1, at first a voluntary standard but later changed to mandatory for a total RF bandwidth of 20 kHz which is still allowed today, which is = equal to 10 kHz audio. =20 Very few tuners today are capable of a 10 kHz audio response, except a few = early AM Stereo tuners like the Carver TX-11A or TX-11B which actually did have a response out to 15 kHz. The Carver tuners would sound almost like FM when tuned to an AM station capable of 15 kHz audio using a = quality airchain. Most other consumer AM radios only have about a 5 kHz response if that. =20 Even a station using the current 10 kHz response can sound very good if the= tuner is capable of the full 10 kHz. Many people cannot hear up to 10 kHz or beyond. My own hearing= is good up to about 13 kHz so I can appreciate a 10kHz response but even 10kHz is starting to sound like = a dog whistle to my ears, so I think most people would be happy with a 10kHz response. =20 We are lucky we are still allowed up to a 10 kHz response in the AM band he= re in the USA. I believe stations in Europe are only allowed to run up to a 5 kHz audio response on their medium wave band, but even=20 that can still sound fairly bright using a tuner with a full 5 kHz response= , not as bright as 10kHz though. =20 73 Todd WD4NGG =20 PS - IBOC is currently dying a slow death on the AM band. Not much advantag= e to digital IBOC except it tends to reject static. Very poor range compared to analog AM. Early promoters of IB= OC did not fully test the system in real world conditions and the system was very expensive, so the stations= that invested a lot of money in IBOC were reluctant to turn it off which is probably why some stations stil= l use it today. Excessive interference with regular analog AM stations is one of the main downsides to IBOC. It never = should have been allowed in my opinion. =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 4:48 pm Subject: {AMSF} Just a thought =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Gang, While thumbing through the dial, I keep getting this annoying question that= keeps coming back.=20 If an AM broadcaster were allowed the same bandwidth in stereo as an IBOC s= tation, and a receiver was capable of capturing it, I think the result woul= d be stunning. I think the frequency response could probably go into the d= og whistle range. I know there would be a lot of co-channel interference, but we are already = doing this with HD . I guess my question is this: What is the advantage of using IBOC that keeps= broadcasters still using it on AM. Silly me, I just don't get it. Have a good day, Joe R. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D19086A3AC2CD5_28B0_BCFD7_webmail-d251.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
As I understand it, AM IBOC uses a total RF
bandwidth of +/- 15 kHz or 30kHz which includes the digital sidebands.=
Early  analog AM stereo stations were allowed to use the sam= e +/- 15 kHz RF 
bandwidth but it was reduced to +/- 10 kHz
after NRSC-1, at first a voluntary standard but later changed to = mandatory
 for a total RF bandwidth of 20 kHz which is still allowed t= oday, which is equal to 10 kHz audio.
 
Very few tuners today are capable of a 10 kHz audio response, exc= ept a few early AM Stereo tuners like the
Carver TX-11A or TX-11B which actually did have a response out to
15 kHz. The Carver tuners would sound
almost like FM when tuned to an AM station capable of 15 kHz audio usi= ng a quality airchain. Most other consumer
AM radios only have about a  5 kHz response if that.
 
Even a station using the current 10 kHz response can sound very good i= f the tuner is capable of the
full 10 kHz. Many people cannot hear up to 10 kHz or beyond. My o= wn hearing is good up to about 13 kHz so
I can appreciate a 10kHz response but even 10kHz is starting to sound = like a dog whistle to my ears, so I
think most people would be happy with a 10kHz response.
 
We are lucky we are still allowed up to a 10 kHz response in the AM ba= nd here in the USA. I believe
stations in Europe are only allowed to run up to a 5 kHz audio
response on their medium wave band, but even
that can still sound fairly bright using a tuner with a full 5 kHz res= ponse, not as bright as 10kHz though.
 
73 Todd WD4NGG
 
PS - IBOC is currently dying a slow death on the AM band. Not much adv= antage to digital IBOC except it tends to
reject static. Very poor range compared to analog AM. Early promoters = of IBOC did not fully test the system
in real world conditions and the system was very expensive, so the sta= tions that invested a lot of money in
IBOC were reluctant to turn it off which is probably why some sta= tions still use it today. Excessive interference with
regular analog AM stations  is one of the main downsides to = IBOC. It never should have been allowed in my opinion.
 
 
-----Original Message-----=
From: 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yah= oogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 4:48 pm
Subject: {AMSF} Just a thought

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Hi Gang,
While thumbing through the dial, I keep getting this annoying question= that keeps coming back. 
If an AM broadcaster were allowed the same bandwidth in stereo as an I= BOC station, and a receiver was capable of capturing it, I think the result= would be stunning.  I think the frequency response could probably go = into the dog whistle range.
I know there would be a lot of co-channel interference, but we are alr= eady doing this with HD .
I guess my question is this: What is the advantage of using IBOC that = keeps broadcasters still using it on AM.
Silly me, I just don't get it.
Have a good day,
Joe R.
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----------MB_8D19086A3AC2CD5_28B0_BCFD7_webmail-d251.sysops.aol.com-- From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Aug 30 18:04:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16801 invoked by uid 102); 31 Aug 2014 01:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2014 01:04:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3501 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2014 01:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.com) (98.138.215.83) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2014 01:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from [108.36.232.148] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa05.server.lan (via HTTP); Sun, 31 Aug 2014 03:04:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 03:04:41 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <8D19086A37C9155-28B0-35F9D@webmail-d251.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D19086A37C9155-28B0-35F9D@webmail-d251.sysops.aol.com> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:PiI3cGvIKBaaMO1SfUuR1tWcjg1z7E3NhwJQSN/yA1a J7PiB900BSLdScq0qWyWog8zWNPHrlRhMl0bQqiQHUxwT3sAi+ tfW603LLqugfAfbMg3WNRj7QA/rrJ42Wgogm1Rkv7Zodb7fsaX CpF0pGl3n0wQePI/orPLp0vEVeoW9curlGD0H/PfBXbLzmMn0+ /xCRbPd4fn6yk1SDsLhNqEos84pGWuv5qGMwMduAjjac4Zxu8Z qa0GuYSljcRmUN3aZuZK+GHlsyaTBJ/ebmlxsE1uFtbLyZi1DK AKnM60DPpCEpaY9PGAFvyMzWzZ+ X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just a thought X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=yONeajGbfHxeD8GxzZnmf48WPiGxTZzFKBEZfyRIwjOhSocsbc6E X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Thanks for your response Todd. 
I thought they are using more bandwidth than that.  In my car the noise can be heard on 1190, 1200 then I hear WPHT 1210.  Then noise again at 1220 and 1230.  Maybe CBS is using "fuzzy math" in more ways than one.  I don't know.
Have a great weekend and Labor Day,
Joe R.
 
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 at 5:23 AM
From: "Todd Roberts toddroberts2001@aol.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just a thought

 
As I understand it, AM IBOC uses a total RF
bandwidth of +/- 15 kHz or 30kHz which includes the digital sidebands.
Early  analog AM stereo stations were allowed to use the same +/- 15 kHz RF 
bandwidth but it was reduced to +/- 10 kHz
after NRSC-1, at first a voluntary standard but later changed to mandatory
 for a total RF bandwidth of 20 kHz which is still allowed today, which is equal to 10 kHz audio.
 
Very few tuners today are capable of a 10 kHz audio response, except a few early AM Stereo tuners like the
Carver TX-11A or TX-11B which actually did have a response out to
15 kHz. The Carver tuners would sound
almost like FM when tuned to an AM station capable of 15 kHz audio using a quality airchain. Most other consumer
AM radios only have about a  5 kHz response if that.
 
Even a station using the current 10 kHz response can sound very good if the tuner is capable of the
full 10 kHz. Many people cannot hear up to 10 kHz or beyond. My own hearing is good up to about 13 kHz so
I can appreciate a 10kHz response but even 10kHz is starting to sound like a dog whistle to my ears, so I
think most people would be happy with a 10kHz response.
 
We are lucky we are still allowed up to a 10 kHz response in the AM band here in the USA. I believe
stations in Europe are only allowed to run up to a 5 kHz audio
response on their medium wave band, but even
that can still sound fairly bright using a tuner with a full 5 kHz response, not as bright as 10kHz though.
 
73 Todd WD4NGG
 
PS - IBOC is currently dying a slow death on the AM band. Not much advantage to digital IBOC except it tends to
reject static. Very poor range compared to analog AM. Early promoters of IBOC did not fully test the system
in real world conditions and the system was very expensive, so the stations that invested a lot of money in
IBOC were reluctant to turn it off which is probably why some stations still use it today. Excessive interference with
regular analog AM stations  is one of the main downsides to IBOC. It never should have been allowed in my opinion.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 4:48 pm
Subject: {AMSF} Just a thought
 
 
Hi Gang,
While thumbing through the dial, I keep getting this annoying question that keeps coming back. 
If an AM broadcaster were allowed the same bandwidth in stereo as an IBOC station, and a receiver was capable of capturing it, I think the result would be stunning.  I think the frequency response could probably go into the dog whistle range.
I know there would be a lot of co-channel interference, but we are already doing this with HD .
I guess my question is this: What is the advantage of using IBOC that keeps broadcasters still using it on AM.
Silly me, I just don't get it.
Have a good day,
Joe R.
 
 
 
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I have noticed this before on stations that were e= xtremely strong at night. Like you have noticed the IBOC hiss sounded wide enough to cover two nearby channels above and below the statio= n. Most of the time though it seems to bother only the first single adjacent channels 10 kHz above and be= low the station on a normal car radio. =20 Have a great weekend and holiday also, =20 73 Todd WD4NGG =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Sat, Aug 30, 2014 9:04 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just a thought =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Thanks for your response Todd.=20 I thought they are using more bandwidth than that. In my car the noise can= be heard on 1190, 1200 then I hear WPHT 1210. Then noise again at 1220 an= d 1230. Maybe CBS is using "fuzzy math" in more ways than one. I don't kn= ow. Have a great weekend and Labor Day, Joe R. =20 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 at 5:23 AM From: "Todd Roberts toddroberts2001@aol.com [amstereoforum]" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just a thought =20 As I understand it, AM IBOC uses a total RF bandwidth of +/- 15 kHz or 30kHz which includes the digital sidebands. Early analog AM stereo stations were allowed to use the same +/- 15 kHz RF= =20 bandwidth but it was reduced to +/- 10 kHz after NRSC-1, at first a voluntary standard but later changed to mandatory for a total RF bandwidth of 20 kHz which is still allowed today, which is = equal to 10 kHz audio. =20 Very few tuners today are capable of a 10 kHz audio response, except a few = early AM Stereo tuners like the Carver TX-11A or TX-11B which actually did have a response out to 15 kHz. The Carver tuners would sound almost like FM when tuned to an AM station capable of 15 kHz audio using a = quality airchain. Most other consumer AM radios only have about a 5 kHz response if that. =20 Even a station using the current 10 kHz response can sound very good if the= tuner is capable of the full 10 kHz. Many people cannot hear up to 10 kHz or beyond. My own hearing= is good up to about 13 kHz so I can appreciate a 10kHz response but even 10kHz is starting to sound like = a dog whistle to my ears, so I think most people would be happy with a 10kHz response. =20 We are lucky we are still allowed up to a 10 kHz response in the AM band he= re in the USA. I believe stations in Europe are only allowed to run up to a 5 kHz audio response on their medium wave band, but even=20 that can still sound fairly bright using a tuner with a full 5 kHz response= , not as bright as 10kHz though. =20 73 Todd WD4NGG =20 PS - IBOC is currently dying a slow death on the AM band. Not much advantag= e to digital IBOC except it tends to reject static. Very poor range compared to analog AM. Early promoters of IB= OC did not fully test the system in real world conditions and the system was very expensive, so the stations= that invested a lot of money in IBOC were reluctant to turn it off which is probably why some stations stil= l use it today. Excessive interference with regular analog AM stations is one of the main downsides to IBOC. It never = should have been allowed in my opinion. =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 4:48 pm Subject: {AMSF} Just a thought =20 =20=20 Hi Gang, While thumbing through the dial, I keep getting this annoying question that= keeps coming back.=20 If an AM broadcaster were allowed the same bandwidth in stereo as an IBOC s= tation, and a receiver was capable of capturing it, I think the result woul= d be stunning. I think the frequency response could probably go into the d= og whistle range. I know there would be a lot of co-channel interference, but we are already = doing this with HD . I guess my question is this: What is the advantage of using IBOC that keeps= broadcasters still using it on AM. Silly me, I just don't get it. Have a good day, Joe R. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D192E7B309E7AD_10EC_2AC0A_webmail-vm054.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi Joe,
If WPHT on 1210 is real strong where you are located, the IB= OC interference may sound like it  spills  over to two = nearby channels
1190,1200 and 1220,1230. I have noticed this before on stati= ons that were extremely strong at night. Like you have noticed the IBO= C hiss
sounded wide enough to cover two nearby channels above and below the s= tation. Most of the time though it
seems to bother only the first single adjacent channels 10 k= Hz above and below the station on a normal car radio.
 
Have a great weekend and holiday also,
 
73 Todd WD4NGG
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yah= oogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 30, 2014 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just a thought

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Thanks for your response Todd. 
I thought they are using more bandwidth than that.  In my car the= noise can be heard on 1190, 1200 then I hear WPHT 1210.  Then noise a= gain at 1220 and 1230.  Maybe CBS is using "fuzzy math" in more ways t= han one.  I don't know.
Have a great weekend and Labor Day,
Joe R.
 
Sent: Thursday, August 28,= 2014 at 5:23 AM
From: "Todd Roberts = toddroberts2001@aol.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereofo= rum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just a thought

 
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">As I understand it, AM IBOC uses= a total RF
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">bandwidth of +/- 15 kHz or 30kHz= which includes the digital sidebands.
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">Early  analog AM stere= o stations were allowed to use the same +/- 15 kHz RF 
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">bandwidth but it was reduced to = +/- 10 kHz
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">after NRSC-1, at first a volunta= ry standard but later changed to mandatory=
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2"> for a total RF bandwi= dth of 20 kHz which is still allowed today, which is equal to 10 kHz audio.=
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2"> 
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">Very few tuners today are capabl= e of a 10 kHz audio response, except a few early AM Stereo tuners like= the
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">Carver TX-11A or TX-11B which ac= tually did have a response out to=
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">15 kHz. The Carver tuners would = sound
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">almost like FM when tuned to an = AM station capable of 15 kHz audio using a quality airchain. Most other con= sumer
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">AM radios only have about a = ; 5 kHz response if that.<= /div>
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2"> 
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">Even a station using the current= 10 kHz response can sound very good if the tuner is capable of the<= /font>
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">full 10 kHz. Many people cannot = hear up to 10 kHz or beyond. My own hearing is good up to about 13 kHz= so
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">I can appreciate a 10kHz respons= e but even 10kHz is starting to sound like a dog whistle to my ears, so I
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">think most people would be happy= with a 10kHz response.
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2"> 
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">We are lucky we are still allowe= d up to a 10 kHz response in the AM band here in the USA. I believe<= /font>
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">stations in Europe are only allo= wed to run up to a 5 kHz audio
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">response on their medium wave ba= nd, but even
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">that can still sound fairly brig= ht using a tuner with a full 5 kHz response, not as bright as 10kHz though.=
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2"> 
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">73 Todd WD4NGG
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2"> 
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">PS - IBOC is currently dying a s= low death on the AM band. Not much advantage to digital IBOC except it tend= s to
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">reject static. Very poor range c= ompared to analog AM. Early promoters of IBOC did not fully test the system=
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">in real world conditions and the= system was very expensive, so the stations that invested a lot of money in=
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">IBOC were reluctant to turn= it off which is probably why some stations still use it today. Excessive i= nterference with
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">regular analog AM stations =  is one of the main downsides to IBOC. It never should have been allow= ed in my opinion.
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2"> 
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2"> 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] <ams= tereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum <amst= ereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 27, 2014 4:48 pm
Subject: {AMSF} Just a thought
 
  <= /font>
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">Hi Gang,
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">While thumbing through the dial,= I keep getting this annoying question that keeps coming back. =
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">If an AM broadcaster were allowe= d the same bandwidth in stereo as an IBOC station, and a receiver was capab= le of capturing it, I think the result would be stunning.  I think the= frequency response could probably go into the dog whistle range.
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">I know there would be a lot of c= o-channel interference, but we are already doing this with HD .
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">I guess my question is this: Wha= t is the advantage of using IBOC that keeps broadcasters still using it on = AM.
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">Silly me, I just don't get it.
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">Have a good day,
<= font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">Joe R.
 
 
 
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----------MB_8D192E7B309E7AD_10EC_2AC0A_webmail-vm054.sysops.aol.com-- From jmrouse@mail.com Mon Sep 01 01:26:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53228 invoked by uid 102); 1 Sep 2014 08:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m13.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2014 08:26:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25894 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2014 08:26:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.com) (98.138.100.121) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2014 08:26:01 -0000 X-Received: from [71.246.24.37] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa14.server.lan (via HTTP); Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:26:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:26:00 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <1408866411.96984.YahooMailNeo@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1408866411.96984.YahooMailNeo@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:XP//6hwTJZo/YFnTQp3Ebjm42M3+iEodUGqR/zJnDW3 WGFcEH9rQyh0K2okq/oMwLeuT02tgLgGC+PMy5cI8OelGrY3iK F5BRSk16F0hCaHhTjyyaO1/RvbP8BIhkoCUNtU745/dspKMSm+ xMduB0RwkOjfB3mz0leauKzkj1FIbDyMz9g29402azRGoFSYKd GG3lfgCSHrUSBHrYAyWBpEhHK5ML1qv7mWNjeEQWuqUd8HUEcV z5bNy241JplPaGop8ku30xLBbh7Ay/T7ZiescgJZmXQiJMwchM JdO9s281jDYlM+qc/IB+3+bi3VJ X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} kpmh am 840 update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=i1uVtTalQhV6OincSqq8jViqeRJE5Ew9wuYegD73UHzrExFgtfia X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Sorry to hear that Jim. 
Another bit the dust down the Jersey shore too.  WOBM 1160 was an oldies station out of Lakewood NJ that is now another talker.  They simulcast out of Asbury Park on 1310 as well.
Previous to oldies, they did a Nostalgia format that was pretty good too.
I am still fortunate enough to be able to tune in to Toronto's AM 740 most nights.  It will be a sad day if they decide to change the format of that station.
Good night Miss Ziggy, wherever you are.
 
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 at 3:46 AM
From: "jim smith jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {AMSF} kpmh am 840 update

 
 Hi Gang  Sadly KMPH AM 840 has stoped playing oldies music on there AM 840 signal. Its a bible stations now. They still stream there oldies music on there web site. Jim Smith
 
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Schober Supports Kintronic AM Letter

 
Thank You Kindly Now,

Tim Deshler

---705713969-185112271-1410647251=:22335-- From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Sep 13 19:05:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6230 invoked by uid 102); 14 Sep 2014 02:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2014 02:05:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12923 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2014 02:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.com) (98.139.245.163) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2014 02:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from [108.36.232.148] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa10.server.lan (via HTTP); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 04:05:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 04:05:08 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <1410647251.22335.YahooMailNeo@web184303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1410647251.22335.YahooMailNeo@web184303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:OhAm6cDVSolZz7Qa35LlvhX2X3Mw2YQjjZZQsbo9GTL RS7PjFrUdoCf7Asnk2025cKI4HcDUqJl10IOYeC4n0tagk+Wo8 ZKK/A/GlaI0sUeG15OaSTIMo2EVu2vh3DpfZ3tPEBZOja+4MTt XMJJWsVmgx7QySECAUe2krKJXruec99UTxr6ihIgGnsrKwyOtm pLhtNBcsuMtvYAAc3RvDULwBE8xJz9D4xvnpTJCRDgC3t3VeB2 mM/Bezzdn/xrOoP6RltCE0db0cwFZjU+BhHCOaIPNsxIYSw/7U KNYIytXz5mDx3wvuR0YnILzt0tn X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=qnjQaoPnOS1YWlg72ct1oo1RocfDhowsOegRyZN5Pa1bQjlO0H20 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Hi Gang,
 
Hello Tim, thanks for sending this.
 
I read the proposal, and I think it goes in the right direction but I have some questions I was hoping someone could answer.  The text will be included, then the question.
 
1)  Mr. King’s Item 2 is an important step toward improving AM, particularly in AM receiver quality. I have reservations about C-QUAM technology today, as I believe the only chip still available for receivers is the MC13028AD which draws 11 mA which is unacceptable for battery powered radios, and the smallest “D” package is too large for compact receivers. -
 
If this is so, how was Sony able to decode not only C-Quam, but other AM stereo in thier Walkmans and portable receivers? 
 
2)  Better would be to require that future radios be capable of automatically decoding all AM, FM, HD Radio and DRM systems, which could include C-QUAM.
 
Would'nt the current draw for the digital or software receivers be even worse? 
 
3)  Variable bandwidth is a function easily and cheaply incorporated in software defined receivers. There are now chips available from several manufacturers which can achieve this, along with low power consumption.
 
Same question as above.
 
4)  AMAX technology was, in my opinion, an important boat that AM broadcasters missed. It could easily be incorporated into software defined receivers, however. I think analog implementation is a lost cause, at this date.
 
Why can't a simple bandwidth switch be used like the old GE Superadio III.  This question has bugged me for years.  Why not let the listener decide if conditions are acceptable for wide band, or not.  Just like an FM stereo/mono switch.
 
Just my two cents.  Thank you for your feedback.
 
Have a good Sunday,
Joe R.
 
 
 
 
Mr. King’s Item 2 is an important step toward improving AM, particularly in AM receiver quality. I have reservations about C-QUAM technology today, as I believe the only chip still available for receivers is the MC13028AD which draws 11 mA which is unacceptable for battery powered radios, and the smallest “D” package is too large for compact receivers. - See more at: http://www.radioworld.com/article/schober-supports-kintronic-am-letter-/272318#sthash.WcZzlOVv.dpuf
Mr. King’s Item 2 is an important step toward improving AM, particularly in AM receiver quality. I have reservations about C-QUAM technology today, as I believe the only chip still available for receivers is the MC13028AD which draws 11 mA which is unacceptable for battery powered radios, and the smallest “D” package is too large for compact receivers. - See more at: http://www.radioworld.com/article/schober-supports-kintronic-am-letter-/272318#sthash.WcZzlOVv.dpuf
Mr. King’s Item 2 is an important step toward improving AM, particularly in AM receiver quality. I have reservations about C-QUAM technology today, as I believe the only chip still available for receivers is the MC13028AD which draws 11 mA which is unacceptable for battery powered radios, and the smallest “D” package is too large for compact receivers. - See more at: http://www.radioworld.com/article/schober-supports-kintronic-am-letter-/272318#sthash.WcZzlOVv.dpuf
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From: "timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
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Schober Supports Kintronic AM Letter
 
 
Thank You Kindly Now,

Tim Deshler
 
 
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ZtEV4Vb-BiOCocEOy1HN6-DxiakxndGQSgWuBCP8BuPxaC5hC54qoangiOey0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 From: Kevin Raper --Apple-Mail=_3AFB5C20-1720-4D25-96E3-AF9DCC38B857 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:53 AM, toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote= : > So they actually broadcast in stereo AM, but stream in mono? That's backw= ards from what I usually have seen 1490 WPCI (was (WMRB back in the day) is a local station to me. It was in C= -QUAM AM Stereo for a long time with the old WESC Stereo equipment. A coupl= e Years ago they switched to HD Radio, still in Stereo, but now can be in H= D, C-QUAM, or Mono at any given time. Locals call it "Radio Randy". they don't run ANY commercials because the ow= ner does not want to be bothered with the paperwork and it runs an automate= d eclectic music format that could be playing anything from Bach to Glen Mi= ller to Elvis to Enya. When the owner wants to "Play Radio", he goes live a= nd local until he gets it out of his system. As weird as the station is, that station has a great signal. It was one of = the very first Above the Ground Ground systems on the air in the USA. Willi= am Cullpepper's first one in fact. The old BC-250 GY and BC-1G are now gone. I am not sure iof they still have= the MW-1A or not. It has been a LONG time, but I still miss the old Big Band format days of "= We Make Radio Beautiful, 1490 WMRB"... 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn --Apple-Mail=_3AFB5C20-1720-4D25-96E3-AF9DCC38B857 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Sep 18, 2= 014, at 9:53 AM, toledohamradio= @yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote:

So they actually broadcast in s= tereo AM, but stream in mono? That's backwards from what I usually have see= n


1490 WPCI (was (WMRB bac= k in the day) is a local station to me. It was in C-QUAM AM Stereo for a lo= ng time with the old WESC Stereo equipment. A couple Years ago they switche= d to HD Radio, still in Stereo, but now can be in HD, C-QUAM, or Mono at an= y given time.

Locals call it "Radio Randy". they d= on't run ANY commercials because the owner does not want to be bothered wit= h the paperwork and it runs an automated eclectic music format that could b= e playing anything from Bach to Glen Miller to Elvis to Enya. When the owne= r wants to "Play Radio", he goes live and local until he gets it out of his= system.

As weird as the station is, that station = has a great signal. It was one of the very first Above the Ground Ground sy= stems on the air in the USA. William Cullpepper's first one in fact.
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The old BC-250 GY and BC-1G are now gone. I am not sure = iof they still have the MW-1A or not.

It has been = a LONG time, but I still miss the old Big Band format days of "We Make Radi= o Beautiful, 1490 WMRB"...


73,
Kevin Raper=
KJ4HYD
CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ

There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a ma= thematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leon= ard Kahn



--Apple-Mail=_3AFB5C20-1720-4D25-96E3-AF9DCC38B857-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Sep 18 07:57:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6285 invoked by uid 102); 18 Sep 2014 14:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2014 14:57:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8397 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2014 14:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lb0-f180.google.com) (98.139.170.167) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2014 14:57:45 -0000 X-Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id b12so1294127lbj.25 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:57:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.36.134 with SMTP id q6mr190921laj.35.1411052263750; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:57:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.25.129.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:57:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.25.129.3 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:57:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 22:57:43 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d91eff0bf0a0503583440 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo station now streamed. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=Llhgm0Rx1z47fYOPmICtbvnC531q_TvkyDpiDMEet4G55xF5 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --047d7b5d91eff0bf0a0503583440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stream is stereo but low bitrate. On Sep 18, 2014 9:54 PM, "toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > So they actually broadcast in stereo AM, but stream in mono? That's > backwards from what I usually have seen, other than mono broadcasters tha= t > have a stereo board and they only take one channel for streaming - which > was very noticeable during Christmas when they had the Ray Conniff Singer= s > - they only had the men singing and not the women singing during a song - > hence only one channel from the board going to the streaming feed, yet a > L+R went out over the air in mono. >=20=20 > --047d7b5d91eff0bf0a0503583440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The stream is stereo but low bitrate.

On Sep 18, 2014 9:54 PM, "toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]&quo= t; <amstereoforum@yahoo= groups.com> wrote:
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So they actually broadcast in stereo AM, but stream in mono? That&= #39;s backwards from what I usually have seen, other than mono broadcasters= that have a stereo board and they only take one channel for streaming - wh= ich was very noticeable during Christmas when they had the Ray Conniff Sing= ers - they only had the men singing and not the women singing during a song= - hence only one channel from the board going to the streaming feed, yet a= L+R went out over the air in mono.

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Hi Theo,
 
Watched the video & all I can say is that I am soooooo jealous.  Keep up the good work.  I like the dog too.
 
Have a good day,
Joe R.
 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 at 2:51 PM
From: "pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {AMSF} new from Europa


Hi all,

I'm Theo, and from the Netherlands.
I'm running a small AM station for the weekends.
All in C-QUAM on 1539 KHz 100 Watt carrier.
See more on the link

http://youtu.be/BLuwnt4W9KM

Hope to learn from you all.

 

Thanks,

 

Theo

 

 

 
From matt-44@hotmail.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:30:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt-44@hotmail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90547 invoked by uid 102); 18 Sep 2014 21:26:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2014 21:26:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17276 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2014 21:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO DUB004-OMC4S18.hotmail.com) (98.139.245.164) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2014 21:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from DUB126-W18 ([157.55.2.71]) by DUB004-OMC4S18.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:26:32 -0700 X-TMN: [sVclyOkJGGdfb5rpbz8FWuqGqJo7Keuv] X-Originating-Email: [matt-44@hotmail.co.uk] Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: matt-44@hotmail.co.uk Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_94e9976a-5511-4a3a-b481-325b7f786357_" To: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 22:26:32 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2014 21:26:32.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[37B3CE10:01CFD387] X-Originating-IP: 157.55.2.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: RE: {AMSF} new from Europa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=555118512; y=6NBoIX16sm4V_qgIkOLtijlpCNVllG9nNO4ha91PNNGy0Xoj X-Yahoo-Profile: mattdx538 From: "Matt ." --_94e9976a-5511-4a3a-b481-325b7f786357_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Theo,=20 Nice setup you have there, I am jealous of the carver tuner you have! Where= did you get it? Let us know when you are next on air, I live on the east coast of the UK so= I hope I can hear you! Regards,=20 Matt. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:51:04 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} new from Europa =20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi all, I'm Theo, and from the Netherlands. I'm running a small AM station for the weekends. All in C-QUAM on 1539 KHz 100 Watt carrier. See more on the link=20 http://youtu.be/BLuwnt4W9KM Hope to learn from you all. Thanks, Theo =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 --_94e9976a-5511-4a3a-b481-325b7f786357_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Theo,

Nice setup you = have there, I am jealous of the carver tuner you have! Where did you get it= ?

Let us know when you are next on air, I live on the east coast of = the UK so I hope I can hear you!

Regards,

Matt.

T= o: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups= .com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:51:04 -0700
Subject: &= #123;AMSF} new from Europa

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=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi all,

I'm Theo, and from the Netherlands.
I'm running a s= mall AM station for the weekends.
All in C-QUAM on 1539 KHz 100 Watt car= rier.
See more on the link

http://youtu.be/BLuwnt4W9KM<= /a>

Hope to learn from you all.


Thanks,


Theo
<= BR>



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Neto Silva Brasilia - Brasil Em Quinta-feira, 18 de Setembro de 2014 20:30, "'Matt .' matt-44@hotmail.co= .uk [amstereoforum]" escreveu: =20 =20=20 Hi Theo,=20 Nice setup you have there, I am jealous of the carver tuner you have! Where= did you get it? Let us know when you are next on air, I live on the east coast of the UK so= I hope I can hear you! Regards,=20 Matt. ________________________________ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:51:04 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} new from Europa =20=20 Hi all, I'm Theo, and from the Netherlands. I'm running a small AM station for the weekends. All in C-QUAM on 1539 KHz 100 Watt carrier. See more on the link=20 http://youtu.be/BLuwnt4W9KM Hope to learn from you all. Thanks, Theo =20 ---1983626250-1704176762-1411131280=:71591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Theo Cool, congratulations.

Neto Silva
Brasilia - Brasil


Em Quinta-feira, 18 de Setembro de 2014 20:3= 0, "'Matt .' matt-44@hotmail.co.uk [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoo= groups.com> escreveu:


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Hi Theo,

Nice setup you have there, I am jealous o= f the carver tuner you have! Where did you get it?

Let us know when = you are next on air, I live on the east coast of the UK so I hope I can hea= r you!

Regards,

Matt.

To: amstereoforum@yahoogrou= ps.com
From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:= 51:04 -0700
Subject: {AMSF} new from Europa

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=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi all,

I'm Theo, and from the Netherlands.
I'm running a s= mall AM station for the weekends.
All in C-QUAM on 1539 KHz 100 Watt car= rier.
See more on the link
= http://youtu.be/BLuwnt4W9KM

Hope to learn from you = all.


Thanks,


Theo





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Enschede, Netherlands? =20 73 Todd WD4NGG =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 3:39 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: new from Europa =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Yes I can :-) I'm transmitting illegal to test the antenna and so :-)) the reception range is at day 50 KM, and at night 20 KM. I have an application shall be submitted to the Government, for a permit li= cense. Here's waiting for, the Dutch law must be adapted. Theo =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D1A27C1DC17FCA_1824_26E58_webmail-m225.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi Theo,
Are you anywhere near Enschede, Netherlands?
 
73 Todd WD4NGG
 
 
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To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
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Yes I can :-)
I'm transmitting illegal to test the antenna and so :-))
the reception range is at day 50 KM, and at night 20 KM.

I have an application shall be submitted to the Government, for a permit li= cense.
Here's waiting for, the Dutch law must be adapted.

Theo
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Sun, 21 Sep 2014 21:48:54 -0400 Message-Id: <8D1A41E8067FA50-E4C-15497@webmail-va171.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 21:48:54 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe8f541f80063973 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} One AM enemy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=fhXJIUQObML-wpTYbu1pfpYbR_zGPxs7j-5DzrOocdUO2iH4nYku X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 From: Todd Roberts ----------MB_8D1A41E807D66B0_E4C_44F4E_webmail-va171.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" There are several ways one can try to reduce the amount of electrical noise= entering an AM band radio used inside the home. Most homes can have several sources of electrical noise. Fluorescent lamps, light dimmers, TV sets and computers = are probably the worst offenders. Most computers have switching-type power supplies that gen= erate much of the noise but computer monitors can generate a loud buzzing noise also into a nearby = radio. =20 Depending on how much work you can put into lessening the noise, the easies= t solution is to go through the house and turn off all the offending appliances when you wan= t to enjoy listening to quiet radio reception. =20 Another item that can help is to use an AC Line Filter between the offendin= g appliance and where it plugs in to the AC power. This will help prevent the noise fro= m getting back into the AC house wiring. These are called EMI/RFI line filters. You need ones that are= effective all the way down to the AM broadcast band. Not all EMI/RFI line filters are the same, some are = only partially effective in the AM broadcast band. =20 I suggest you try to learn all you can about EMI/RFI filters. Use the sear= ch term EMI/RFI filter on your computer via Google or something similar.=20 =20 Some of the better EMI/RFI line filters were made by Corcom and come in a h= eavy metal box with terminals on each end that you connect to. These are widely available = on eBay. The better Corcom filters are effective down to 20 kHz. Be sure you know what you are doing if you ever try to connect to one of th= ese filters as the terminals are out in the open and can be dangerous if left uninsulated.=20 =20 73 Todd WD4NGG =20 =20 http://www.digikey.com/Web%20Export/Supplier%20Content/Tyco_8004/PDF/te-q= rg-corcom-emi-rfi-filters.pdf =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Sun, Sep 21, 2014 6:25 pm Subject: {AMSF} One AM enemy =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody knows a real effective solution to one of the greatest= AM enemy: the AC electric line noise. I mean (and averybody can test it): take an standard AM tuner (radio), with= both batteries and AC electric line power supply. First use the tuner with the batteries only and turn off all the PCs around= you (and physical disconnect them from the electric line). Then you can listen almost any AM station (local and DX). So, turn on your PCs and you can hear some noise from them (but you can fi= x it putting away the tuner). Then, use the tuner with the standard AC house line and repeat the test. When the PCs are out, you can listen AM without noise. But... when you conn= ect and turn on the PCs... Forget to catch any station!!! The PCs internal power supply unit generates a lot of AM noise!!! I guess this isn't the only one AM noise source in the world. The question is... Who does have done something about it? Isn't there some = regulations about the noise level the power supply units can produce? Or...= Is it a not-solution problem? ??? I guess there should be some solution. If somebody knows an electric power line "cleaner", please let me know. God bless you all!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D1A41E807D66B0_E4C_44F4E_webmail-va171.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
There are several ways one can try to reduce the amount of electrical = noise entering an
AM band radio used inside the home.  Most homes can have several = sources of
electrical noise.  Fluorescent lamps, light dimmers, TV sets and = computers are probably the
worst offenders. Most computers have switching-type power supplies tha= t generate much of the noise
but computer monitors can generate a loud buzzing noise also into a ne= arby radio.
 
Depending on how much work you can put into lessening the noise, the e= asiest solution is to
go through the house and turn off all the offending appliances when yo= u want to enjoy listening
to quiet radio reception.
 
Another item that can help is to use an AC Line Filter between the off= ending appliance
and where it plugs in to the AC power. This will help prevent the nois= e from getting back into the AC
house wiring. These are called EMI/RFI line filters. You need one= s that are effective all the way down to
the AM broadcast band. Not all EMI/RFI line filters are the same, some= are only partially effective
in the AM broadcast band.
 
I suggest you try to learn all you can about EMI/RFI  filters. Us= e the search term EMI/RFI  filter
on your computer via Google or something similar.
 
Some of the better EMI/RFI line filters were made by Corcom and c= ome in a heavy metal box
with terminals on each end that you connect to. These are widely avail= able on eBay.  The
better Corcom filters are effective down to 20 kHz.
Be sure you know what you are doing if you ever try to connect to one = of these filters as the
terminals are out in the open and can be dangerous if left u= ninsulated.
 
73 Todd WD4NGG
 
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----=
From: jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.co= m>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 21, 2014 6:25 pm
Subject: {AMSF} One AM enemy

=20
 
=20=20
=20=20=20=20
=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20
Hi Gang!!!

I wonder if somebody knows a real effective solution to one of t= he greatest AM enemy: the AC electric line noise.

I mean (and averybody can test it): take an standard AM tuner (r= adio), with both batteries and AC electric line power supply.

First use the tuner with the batteries only and turn off all the= PCs around you (and physical disconnect them from the electric line).

Then you can listen almost any AM station (local and DX).=

So, turn on  your PCs and you can hear some noise from them= (but you can fix it putting away the tuner).

Then, use the tuner with the standard AC house line and repeat t= he test.

When the PCs are out, you can listen AM without noise. But... wh= en you connect and turn on the PCs... Forget to catch any station!!!=

The PCs internal power supply unit generates a lot of AM noise!!= !

I guess this isn't the only one AM noise source in the world.

The question is... Who does have done something about it? Isn't there = some regulations about the noise level the power supply units can produce? = Or... Is it a not-solution problem? ???

I guess there should be some solution.

If somebody knows an electric power line "cleaner", please let me know= .

God bless you all!!!!!!!


Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love.

=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20
=20=20
----------MB_8D1A41E807D66B0_E4C_44F4E_webmail-va171.sysops.aol.com-- From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Sep 21 19:28:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 307 invoked by uid 102); 22 Sep 2014 02:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2014 02:28:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5367 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2014 02:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.com) (98.138.215.82) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2014 02:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from [108.36.232.148] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa01.server.lan (via HTTP); Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:28:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:28:23 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Sikn5Q+hAFybqLs+MiO3ILRLZkh+mtYlRE7X3eZG5sv dZ2n3U/9wN2d57cWvPhp3eLmB2YcId5lC+2PSrPoXyUxLVUS9U l3FU6rdGDgdzXG3yaQEYE2bvQSdy/BX1YyzvmllILX6Tq57z2d HJTKdXxCM/jp5+tzE3/BWItL5FSyER22DJNc1ylwaaDPx+t5dz 3+rtEdyfZ1GdCAYq9oPdFCEihun4cqEidbUUSrh1gikHlPXn06 FcL1A3qAAP2Rek5oyL9GN493bEvhTKLywIbQNWi4tqdhVByjZe eVpkR6PcCi/twvSV2l6KbeSmptT X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.201 Subject: Re: {AMSF} One AM enemy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=obgBvmSyp0nyoGnSrnRUXKakRuXxPy7GwortKltpoA03U668jqZ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Heartily ageed.  Any ways we can get the ball rolling?
Thanks,
Joe R.
 
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From: "scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {AMSF} Re: One AM enemy


There are computer power supplies that don't make as much noise, but you'll have to pay more for them.  These sort of things are supposedly regulated in the US by our FCC and likely the same by the Chilean equivalent.  Up here they've done nothing to enforce these laws.  At the risk of getting political, I'm guessing a lot of that has to do with not wanting to make the Chinese mad at us since they a) make most of our products, and b) own much of the US debt.  When these manufacturers submit samples of their power supplies and wall warts for FCC evaluation they have the full complement of RF chokes and bypass caps installed.  Then when it passes the actual units for sale to the public have empty holes where the caps should be and jumper wires where the chokes should be.

The only real defense is installing RFI suppression yourself and it has to be as close to the source as possible.  There are snap on ferrites you can put on power cords, but I've found them to be not very effective.  What needs to happen is our government spectrum cops need to do their jobs and start issuing fines or ordering certain products off the market until they become RF compliant.

Scott Todd
 
From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Sep 21 19:38:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28368 invoked by uid 102); 22 Sep 2014 02:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2014 02:38:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2781 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2014 02:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.com) (98.139.245.164) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2014 02:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from [108.36.232.148] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa01.server.lan (via HTTP); Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:38:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:38:11 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <8D1A41E8067FA50-E4C-15497@webmail-va171.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D1A41E8067FA50-E4C-15497@webmail-va171.sysops.aol.com> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:tEnGEwrJ+qQVb/wpAvt29qseP7Mg4Hh+mAf2taN2976 mao8NbxPUICgzWRZBkbOrDDEW4deVhy4nPmQwBh7sG3UeVEn3D J6njgWylptGLnZeL2qhDWwHJqHoPscfMTQRDreHtFD0950vGXl m5pYOPLKGvJqn1yXltVy/Tz+H5EvxfCMUgUaa6u16uyhImLpQC OnFUkOE+t51DN/hqdqYKhBTVisn/26JE1/zQyhxdJWueXv2EqN vohnPKWPkJAT/SoTd1aYtULWxBqukfT7BYu9W3ZT5N7GABOdJk J1gc8TJZjaQYJml1mnCYbUhSK8d X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.200 Subject: Re: {AMSF} One AM enemy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=kBQ253XIhTzHEazaqIyy-aCcSzp736qDZBqixddEUwSW7OCgbH1g X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Any suggestions about what can be done to combat RFI from "smart" meters?  These things cause all sorts of problems.  Not only with AM radio, but caused television degradation back in the analog days.  Especially on the lower VHF band. 
Now it just causes the channel to drop out completely.
(Yes, Philadelphia's WPVI is one of the few stations that refused to migrate to the new digital allocation)
Thanks for your help.
Have a good one,
Joe R.
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 at 9:48 PM
From: "Todd Roberts toddroberts2001@aol.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {AMSF} One AM enemy

 
There are several ways one can try to reduce the amount of electrical noise entering an
AM band radio used inside the home.  Most homes can have several sources of
electrical noise.  Fluorescent lamps, light dimmers, TV sets and computers are probably the
worst offenders. Most computers have switching-type power supplies that generate much of the noise
but computer monitors can generate a loud buzzing noise also into a nearby radio.
 
Depending on how much work you can put into lessening the noise, the easiest solution is to
go through the house and turn off all the offending appliances when you want to enjoy listening
to quiet radio reception.
 
Another item that can help is to use an AC Line Filter between the offending appliance
and where it plugs in to the AC power. This will help prevent the noise from getting back into the AC
house wiring. These are called EMI/RFI line filters. You need ones that are effective all the way down to
the AM broadcast band. Not all EMI/RFI line filters are the same, some are only partially effective
in the AM broadcast band.
 
I suggest you try to learn all you can about EMI/RFI  filters. Use the search term EMI/RFI  filter
on your computer via Google or something similar.
 
Some of the better EMI/RFI line filters were made by Corcom and come in a heavy metal box
with terminals on each end that you connect to. These are widely available on eBay.  The
better Corcom filters are effective down to 20 kHz.
Be sure you know what you are doing if you ever try to connect to one of these filters as the
terminals are out in the open and can be dangerous if left uninsulated.
 
73 Todd WD4NGG
 
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 21, 2014 6:25 pm
Subject: {AMSF} One AM enemy
 
 
Hi Gang!!!
 
I wonder if somebody knows a real effective solution to one of the greatest AM enemy: the AC electric line noise.
 
I mean (and averybody can test it): take an standard AM tuner (radio), with both batteries and AC electric line power supply.
 
First use the tuner with the batteries only and turn off all the PCs around you (and physical disconnect them from the electric line).
 
Then you can listen almost any AM station (local and DX).
 
So, turn on  your PCs and you can hear some noise from them (but you can fix it putting away the tuner).
 
Then, use the tuner with the standard AC house line and repeat the test.
 
When the PCs are out, you can listen AM without noise. But... when you connect and turn on the PCs... Forget to catch any station!!!
 
The PCs internal power supply unit generates a lot of AM noise!!!
 
I guess this isn't the only one AM noise source in the world.
 
The question is... Who does have done something about it? Isn't there some regulations about the noise level the power supply units can produce? Or... Is it a not-solution problem? ???
 
I guess there should be some solution.
 
If somebody knows an electric power line "cleaner", please let me know.
 
God bless you all!!!!!!!
 
 
Juan Jesús Paredes Guerra
From Curicó, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love.
 
 
 
 
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Luckily the buzz only lasts a few seconds at a time around 10:30 PM and around 6 AM, it is q= uiet the rest of the day. The buzz seems to be everywhere in the household wiring, localized in the h= ouse. I can usually avoid most of it when using a separate remote outdoor antenna= located outside away from the house. Is this what some other people hear? I read that the meters usually operate= in the UHF band around 900mHz so I wonder why it would produce interference all the way dow= n in the AM broadcast band? As if the AM band didn't have enough problems! 73 Todd WD4NGG =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Mon, Sep 22, 2014 10:45 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} One AM enemy =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 It might tick off your power company, but see if wrapping it in a large she= et of aluminum foil would work. Just take it off once a week to let it rep= ort energy use back to HQ. Another alternative, though it would be more difficult, would be to get som= eone to measure the hash with a spectrum analyzer, and if the meter violate= s part-15 rules (and likely it does!), find one of those hungry lawyers to = take the power company to court over it. Insist they either put an old sty= le meter back in or replace the one there now with one that doesn't destroy= radio listening. Scott Todd =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D1A50231E4A3AC_2610_11EF3_webmail-m238.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Ever since the local power co. newly installed a "smart= meter" at my house I notice several times a day
I can hear a short loud buzz on a portable AM band radio in the h= ouse a few times a day. Luckily the buzz
only lasts a few seconds at a time around 10:30 PM and around 6 AM, it= is quiet the rest of the day.
The buzz seems to be everywhere in the household wiring, localized&nbs= p;in the house.
 
I can usually avoid most of it when using a separate remote outdoor an= tenna located outside
away from the house.
 
Is this what some other people hear? I read that the meters usual= ly operate in the UHF band
around 900mHz so I wonder why it would produce interference all the&nb= sp;way down in the AM
broadcast band? As if the AM band didn't have enough problems!
 
73 Todd WD4NGG
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.= com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 22, 2014 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: {AMSF} One AM enemy

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It might tick off your power company, but see if wrapping it in a larg= e sheet of aluminum foil would work.  Just take it off once a week to = let it report energy use back to HQ.

Another alternative, though it would be more difficult, would be to get som= eone to measure the hash with a spectrum analyzer, and if the meter violate= s part-15 rules (and likely it does!), find one of those hungry lawyers to = take the power company to court over it.  Insist they either put an ol= d style meter back in or replace the one there now with one that doesn't de= stroy radio listening.

Scott Todd
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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BMW Won=E2=80=99t Revisit AM for Electric Models=20 http://www.radioworld.com/article/bmw-won%E2%80%99t-revisit-am-for-electric= -models/272578 =20 FCC Reaction to Ham Ruling Is Instructive for AM Outlook http://www.radioworld.com/default.aspx?tabid=3D75&entryid=3D10248 Thank You Kindly Now,=20 Tim Deshler ---995835531-530470624-1411855480=:11565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

FCC Reaction to Ham Ruling Is Instructi= ve for AM Outlook
= http://www.radioworld.com/default.aspx?tabid=3D75&entryid=3D10248


Thank Yo= u Kindly Now,

Tim Deshl= er

---995835531-530470624-1411855480=:11565-- From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Sep 28 10:32:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17464 invoked by uid 102); 28 Sep 2014 17:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2014 17:32:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8604 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2014 17:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.com) (98.139.245.164) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2014 17:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from [108.36.232.148] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa11.server.lan (via HTTP); Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:32:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:32:41 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <1411855480.11565.YahooMailNeo@web184304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1411855480.11565.YahooMailNeo@web184304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:4ZHzm8EZ4N8ptLZbLNDNVOp3lmB44XWZrOg2GyNuGjK RPMp7AYoCs4kvk2UyUknwzMx5c6HxG5/wPsQ8JoNeVP0XlDmKl 81i4yi6kppyd9HUfoh0CneOOg0GixmqcnaWv4dn0snP79iWpom GpEzVIKo3BhaNzx10iamPh1Xz1WClZDWCCkDpcVtSqlQaTgYcP MCEBGJjkDReKxuwkgdUq1nXZ15IhNdI/RsyuEQvIryNV0wEbQw Sj8yPtA+ENwJRfy9013ei5ucyko8BtJSJkSPuRE/VVkudTHG55 xB645qo8hBXxBAC5m2PPqA/G4qG X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.200 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_=7BAMSF=7D_BMW_Won=E2=80=99t_Revi?= =?UTF-8?Q?sit_AM_for_Electric_Models?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=q5eTphcmolXkGKYQ_ozSEX36un-3lAr8ezJu_JN5oVcKHzBSq5Fi X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Not that I was considering a BMW, but now even less interested.
Metro sound converter anyone?
Joe R.
 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 at 6:04 PM
From: "timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {AMSF} BMW Won’t Revisit AM for Electric Models

 
BMW Won’t Revisit AM for Electric Models
 

FCC Reaction to Ham Ruling Is Instructive for AM Outlook
 
 
Thank You Kindly Now,

Tim Deshler
 
 
From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Sep 28 20:54:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16610 invoked by uid 102); 29 Sep 2014 03:54:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m15.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2014 03:54:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31076 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2014 03:54:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.com) (98.138.215.83) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2014 03:54:25 -0000 X-Received: from [108.36.232.148] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa11.server.lan (via HTTP); Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:54:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:54:24 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <1411855480.11565.YahooMailNeo@web184304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1411855480.11565.YahooMailNeo@web184304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:aA/f8Ny/kDuh8rLcCim/VF2FNF5VKiiLZs+TcWY+Ufz N6bqivLbO5jg+oo8KPNYydByhdMxV5W2PrFhmGPo7pwU42IYxT B3i13QKZIVgLT13HVxaN2DfCuJxK7sLMH1osdcs+3/eZI6oyRf B6bDZoKGUs5TRmbYRS9yR6aPA0FQPSEf6S7ZIHNuDviMkD2c9w A3zy5jq5vdI0xKHwZ5vDyEUuU+AzuK44aY8e2MPxqukCXWNIuh PRN2VyEXWKVYjIUg7NuuyRsS2xmDGxzQKTQq1ZUJR8YiC6vUsh aXnvVthPAYf/Lux7TspLbJ0xbKN X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.201 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_=7BAMSF=7D_BMW_Won=E2=80=99t_Revi?= =?UTF-8?Q?sit_AM_for_Electric_Models?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=BPNcDzSeXmTRlAI8tY6mH0plPJbMl-xm3B9XCtU5Uoa43z3DT5zY X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Hi Gang,
Just thought of something; if the EMFs are that strong as to make AM reception impossible, how good for your health can it be inside it?  Things that make you say Hmmmmmm.  Just sayin'.
Peace, out,
Joe R.
 
 
 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 at 6:04 PM
From: "timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {AMSF} BMW Won’t Revisit AM for Electric Models

 
BMW Won’t Revisit AM for Electric Models
 

FCC Reaction to Ham Ruling Is Instructive for AM Outlook
 
 
Thank You Kindly Now,

Tim Deshler
 
 
From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Sep 28 21:01:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8583 invoked by uid 102); 29 Sep 2014 04:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2014 04:01:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14676 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2014 04:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-la0-f46.google.com) (98.139.245.165) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2014 04:01:07 -0000 X-Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id gi9so6928235lab.33 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:01:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.4.97 with SMTP id j1mr36318479laj.73.1411963265946; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:01:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.25.129.211 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:01:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1411855480.11565.YahooMailNeo@web184304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 12:01:05 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149338ce71b9405042c506f X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.46 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_=7BAMSF=7D_BMW_Won=E2=80=99t_Revisit_AM_for_Electric_Model?= =?UTF-8?Q?s?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=weNxQKVf2qPYeEW43Z6fYzDNrWiVJxTjDP8CKvZAfBWOkDu0 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --089e0149338ce71b9405042c506f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe, I love the idea of electric cars but this thought has also crossed my mind. If something causes so much interference as to make AM unlistenable, it may not be great for your health. On 29 September 2014 11:54, 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > Hi Gang, > Just thought of something; if the EMFs are that strong as to make AM > reception impossible, how good for your health can it be inside it? Thin= gs > that make you say Hmmmmmm. Just sayin'. > Peace, out, > Joe R. > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, September 27, 2014 at 6:04 PM > *From:* "timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" < > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> > *To:* "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" > *Subject:* {AMSF} BMW Won=E2=80=99t Revisit AM for Electric Models > > > BMW Won=E2=80=99t Revisit AM for Electric Models > > http://www.radioworld.com/article/bmw-won%E2%80%99t-revisit-am-for-electr= ic-models/272578 > > > FCC Reaction to Ham Ruling Is Instructive for AM Outlook > http://www.radioworld.com/default.aspx?tabid=3D75&entryid=3D10248 > > > Thank You Kindly Now, > > Tim Deshler > > > >=20=20 > --089e0149338ce71b9405042c506f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Joe,

I love the idea of electric car= s but this thought has also crossed my mind. If something causes so much in= terference as to make AM unlistenable, it may not be great for your health.=

On 29= September 2014 11:54, 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@y= ahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Hi Gang,
Just thought of something; if the EMFs are that strong as to make AM r= eception impossible, how good for your health can it be inside it?=C2=A0 Th= ings that make you say Hmmmmmm.=C2=A0 Just sayin'.
Peace, out,
Joe R.
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Sent:=C2=A0Saturday, September 27, = 2014 at 6:04 PM
From:=C2=A0"timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereofor= um@yahoogroups.com>
To:=C2=A0"amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups= .com>
Subject:=C2=A0{AMSF} BMW Won=E2=80=99t Revisit AM for Electric Model= s

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BMW Won=E2=80=99t Revisit AM for Electric Models
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FCC Reaction to Ham Ruling Is Instructive for AM Outlook
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Thank You Kindly Now,

Tim Deshler
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Why can't they shiel= d the AM radio in the old 'mu-metal' and put an antenna on the roof with so= me nice shielded cable, not to mention some automatic noise suppression DSP= software too? Why would I even trust their battery-powered car technology = if they can't even make an AM radio to work in it? What kind of engineers d= o they have there? Ones that give-up on a challenge apparently? =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D1A9B6743C68EE_26B8_98D50_webmail-vd004.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi All,
I wanted to mention that a friend of mine down in Florida bo= ught one of the Chevy Volt Electric Cars
 and he tells me the AM radio in the Volt is excellent with good = sensitivity, so I guess
 it can be done if the engineers want it to work.
 
73 Todd WD4NGG
 
 
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Our FCC and FTC should tell them that if they want to sell a car in th= e USA they have to include either an AM radio, or an automatic NOAA Weather= Radio with full S.A.M.E. alerting - no ifs, ands, or buts. Why can't = they shield the AM radio in the old 'mu-metal' and put an antenna on the ro= of with some nice shielded cable, not to mention some automatic noise = suppression DSP software too? Why would I even trust their battery-pow= ered car technology if they can't even make an AM radio to work in it?= What kind of engineers do they have there? Ones that give-up on a challeng= e apparently?
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=348428246; y=EA54b4H3zCKincCDrsM5xQlVujC4BpaBIT8xb76ntDiFfpwXHg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla From: kevin redding --Apple-Mail-1-36799533 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sep 30, 2014, at 10:50 PM, centexvideo@gmail.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > Well, it seems that WAMB is operating with reduced power and with a simul= cast of either co-owned WANT or WCOR I am in Tennessee. WAMB is not in Motorola, Harris or Kahn Stereo. Or at le= ast they weren't about two months ago.=20 Kevin Crump, TN --Apple-Mail-1-36799533 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Sep 30, 2= 014, at 10:50 PM, centexvideo@gmai= l.com [amstereoforum] wrote:

Well, it seems that WAMB is operatin= g with reduced power and with a simulcast of either co-owned WANT or WCOR

I am in Tennessee. WAMB is not in Motorola= , Harris or Kahn Stereo. Or at least they weren't about two months ago.&nbs= p;

Kevin
Crump, TN
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Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on WJR? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 From: "Dick W." ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CFE4B3.42C02000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know that for years WJR kept AM Stereo after a lot of the other stations = had abandoned it. Dick W. From: mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:24 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo on WJR? =20=20 Can somebody in Michigan check and see if my ears are deceiving me or not, = but it sounded like WJR had some stereo separation Thursday night (minus a = pilot tone) - didn't know if it was just an anomaly or not. Curious what an= ybody else thinks. 73 John ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CFE4B3.42C02000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know that for years WJR kept AM Stereo after a lot of the other stat= ions=20 had abandoned it.
Dick W.
 
 
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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:24 PM
Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo on WJR?
 
 =20

Can somebody in Michigan check and see if my ears are deceiving me or no= t,=20 but it sounded like WJR had some stereo separation Thursday night (minus a = pilot=20 tone) - didn't know if it was just an anomaly or not. Curious what anybody = else=20 thinks.

73

John

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gone HD perhaps?
 
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From: "steveophonic@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {AMSF} Re: FCC laying down


Mine did too.  Ridiculous. 
 
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ALLRIGHT!  Just when I thought I was the only one still using cassettes.  I found a sight that still sells chromium dioxide blanks if anyone is interested.  Various lengths too.  It is a BASF formulation.
 
The link is below.
 
Have a good weekend,
Joe
 
http://www.tapes.com/nrstypea-high-biasfor-originalmaster-recordings-c10font-colorbluestrong-click-for-more-lengths-strongfont-p-6211.html
 
 
 
 
 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 at 4:38 AM
From: "centexvideo@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on WJR?


On WLS?  It was a couple weeks ago.  It lit the stereo light.  I think I have my most recent recording of it on cassette tape.
 
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=2U0DbJ7MZ5SfKSCLQSoGFKRIFP0CQh5bHPNY74KA8bb9KNI-u3n4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Good read, thanks for posting.  Lets hope we can get some traction now.
 
Have a good Sunday,
Joe R.
 
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From: "timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo Renaissance?

 
Kintronic Talks AM With FCCers
 
 
 
 
 
Thank You Kindly Now,

T. Deshler
 
 
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Yeah, I like cassette rcording.  Can't comment on digital recorders, as I do not own any. 
I also use my VHS hifi vcr to make high quality recordings that are too long for audio cassettes. 
 
Have a good Sunday,
Joe R.
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on WJR?


I have one cassette that has AM stereo recordings on both sides from two different stations, with one side of another cassette with more AM stereo.  It seems to be the easiest way to record.  Digital recorders, such as my Tascam DR-07 introduces interference into the radio.  A lot of digital camcorders do the same.
 
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Piccoli --089e013c65bc83badf0505d1846e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jota, regarding the stream being in Mono, assuming that the audio coming from the mixer is stereo and the correct cabling has been used, have you checked the encoding parameters? Cheers, Dan On 14 October 2014 03:32, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Hi!!! > > You have to record the analog audio from the AMS tuner (left and right > channels) into a good (clean) Line Input connector of a very good PC soun= d > card (Creative Audigy or something better). > > But you have to record into a *.wav format audio file (please, forget any > digital compressed audio system). If you use 48,000 samples per second, 3= 2 > bits per sample, you'll get the best sound. > > BTW: CC-126 Radio Condell AM from Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, is b= ack to > the air (since October, 1, 2014). We have 1 KW on the air and, thanks God= , > we are covering a huge area (more than the expected one). > > Unfortunately, we don't have AM Stereo, yet. But, please wait some months > (because we will have it, yes or yes). > > You can hear us on the web: Inicio > [image: image] > Inicio > Comienza la operaci=C3=B3n "Pinta Caleta" en Llico Condell 126 AM 11 Octu= bre > 2014 > View on www.radiocondellcuri... > Preview by Yahoo > > But, something I don't understand why the audio on-line is just mono (we > feed that PC with an stereo signal, but it sounds mono, I don't know why)= . > > BTW: If somebody have a good experience about this, please help us: Which > is better: the standard insolated quarter wave radiator (with a quarter > wave ground plane, of course), or a tunipole system? ??? > > Thanks a lot for your time!!! > > God bless you all!!!!!!! > > > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del Maule, Chile, South America, with a lot= of hope > and love. > >=20=20 > --089e013c65bc83badf0505d1846e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jota,

regarding the stream being in = Mono, assuming that the audio coming from the mixer is stereo and the corre= ct cabling has been used, have you checked the encoding parameters?

Cheers,
Dan

On 14 October 2014 03:32, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Hi!!!


You have to record the analog audio f= rom the AMS tuner (left and right channels) into a good (clean) Line Input = connector of a very good PC sound card (Creative Audigy or something better= ).

But you have to record into a *.wav format audi= o file (please, forget any digital compressed audio system). If you use 48,= 000 samples per second, 32 bits per sample, you'll get the best sound.<= /div>

BTW: CC-126 Radio Condell AM from Curic=C3=B3, Chi= le, South America, is back to the air (since October, 1, 2014). We have 1 K= W on the air and, thanks God, we are covering a huge area (more than the ex= pected one).

Unfortunately, we don't have AM S= tereo, yet. But, please wait some months (because we will have it, yes or y= es).

You can hear us on the web: Inicio =
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Inicio
Comienza la operaci=C3=B3n "Pinta Caleta" en Llico Co= ndell 126 AM=09=09=09=09 =09=09=09=09 =09=09=09=09=09=09=09=09 11 Octubre 2014
Preview by Yahoo
<= /div>

But, something I don't understand why th= e audio on-line is just mono (we feed that PC with an stereo signal, but it= sounds mono, I don't know why).

BTW: If someb= ody have a good experience about this, please help us: Which is =C2=A0bette= r: the standard insolated quarter wave radiator (with a quarter wave ground= plane, of course), or a tunipole system? ???

Than= ks a lot for your time!!!

God bless you all!!!!!!!=


Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
From Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del Maule, Chile, South America, with = a lot of hope and love.

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Yes, the audio from the console is absolutely stereo and all the cables are= right. Even, the PC "VU meter" shows stereo activity. Sorry, I don't know any about the Internet parameters (I have to recognize = it is a whole new world to explore). If you can help me, I'll appreciate it so much. BTW: Are you into South America territory? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL, BROTHER!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra CC-126 Radio Condell AM Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del Maule, Chile (South America) El Domingo, 19 de octubre, 2014 23:31:56, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail= .com [amstereoforum]" escribi=C3=B3: =20 =20=20 Hi Jota, regarding the stream being in Mono, assuming that the audio coming from the= mixer is stereo and the correct cabling has been used, have you checked th= e encoding parameters? Cheers, Dan On 14 October 2014 03:32, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: =20 >=20=20 >Hi!!! > > >You have to record the analog audio from the AMS tuner (left and right cha= nnels) into a good (clean) Line Input connector of a very good PC sound car= d (Creative Audigy or something better). > > >But you have to record into a *.wav format audio file (please, forget any = digital compressed audio system). If you use 48,000 samples per second, 32 = bits per sample, you'll get the best sound. > > >BTW: CC-126 Radio Condell AM from Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, is ba= ck to the air (since October, 1, 2014). We have 1 KW on the air and, thanks= God, we are covering a huge area (more than the expected one). > > >Unfortunately, we don't have AM Stereo, yet. But, please wait some months = (because we will have it, yes or yes). > > >You can hear us on the web: Inicio >=20 > Inicio=20=20 >Comienza la operaci=C3=B3n "Pinta Caleta" en Llico Condell 126 AM 11 O= ctubre 2014=20=20=20 >View on www.radiocondellcuri... Preview by Yahoo=20=20=20=20 > > >But, something I don't understand why the audio on-line is just mono (we f= eed that PC with an stereo signal, but it sounds mono, I don't know why). > > >BTW: If somebody have a good experience about this, please help us: Which = is better: the standard insolated quarter wave radiator (with a quarter wa= ve ground plane, of course), or a tunipole system? ??? > > >Thanks a lot for your time!!! > > >God bless you all!!!!!!! > > > > >Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra >From Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del Maule, Chile, South America, with a lot = of hope and love. > > ---1772663527-270780259-1413836829=:55787 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Daniel= !!!

Yes, t= he audio from the console is absolutely stereo and all the cables are right= . Even, the PC "VU meter" shows stereo activity.

Sorry, I don't know any about the In= ternet parameters (I have to recognize it is a whole new world to explore).=

If you ca= n help me, I'll appreciate it so much.

BTW: Are you into South America territory? ???

GOD B= LESS YOU ALL, BROTHER!!!!!!!


Juan Jes=C3=BAs Pared= es Guerra
CC-126 Radio Condell AM
<= div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: 'times new = roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; background-color: tra= nsparent;">Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del Maule, Chile (South America)<= /span>



El Domingo, 19 de octubre, 2014 23:31:56, "Dani= el Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogr= oups.com> escribi=C3=B3:


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Hi Jota,

regarding the stream being in = Mono, assuming that the audio coming from the mixer is stereo and the corre= ct cabling has been used, have you checked the encoding parameters?

Cheers,
Dan

On 14 October 2= 014 03:32, jotape1960@yahoo.com= [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20
Hi!!!

You have to record the analog aud= io from the AMS tuner (left and right channels) into a good (clean) Line In= put connector of a very good PC sound card (Creative Audigy or something be= tter).

But you have to record into a *.wav format = audio file (please, forget any digital compressed audio system). If you use= 48,000 samples per second, 32 bits per sample, you'll get the best sound.<= /div>

BTW: CC-126 Radio Condell AM from Curic=C3=B3, Chi= le, South America, is back to the air (since October, 1, 2014). We have 1 K= W on the air and, thanks God, we are covering a huge area (more than the ex= pected one).

Unfortunately, we don't have AM Stere= o, yet. But, please wait some months (because we will have it, yes or yes).=

You can hear us on the web: Inicio
 = =
Inicio
Comienza= la operaci=C3=B3n "Pinta Caleta" en Llico Condell 126 AM=09=09=09=09 =09=09=09=09 =09=09=09=09=09=09=09=09 11 Octubre 2014
Preview by Yahoo

But, something I don't understand why the audio on-l= ine is just mono (we feed that PC with an stereo signal, but it sounds mono= , I don't know why).

BTW: If somebody have a good = experience about this, please help us: Which is  better: the standard = insolated quarter wave radiator (with a quarter wave ground plane, of cours= e), or a tunipole system? ???

Thanks a lot for you= r time!!!

God bless you all!!!!!!!

<= /div>

Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
From Curi= c=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del Maule, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope an= d love.

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---1772663527-270780259-1413836829=:55787-- From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 13:45:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15286 invoked by uid 102); 20 Oct 2014 20:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2014 20:45:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18274 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2014 20:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.82) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2014 20:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2014 20:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.100.112] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2014 20:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.244] by tm103.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2014 20:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2014 20:42:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 347136.40211.bm@omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 78895 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2014 20:42:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nVhxjHMVM1mLVF0fNXxema5NG4ypOVvz1kUWjhWPok6ovlF FGhQHaNwCGFY2cfCakc_pkjJxEkLBPKf2kBn9lyhcRPISgDwr0G7JgftnkJ4 2RUOn1zk8AJ0dQQ6bDVu8rSdOXz3Otz6GJdfIdbpclKEsr3Sv8Qsni9JJ5xs hcukViPMhibF1iFhUy6e0tcbYgvj2PWyGjJZF67_ueU6cqV8LYQeI3QixnPq DcpCzrsZvQG0owyjMovbcXlnFFeOKB_FG_g0997ku3Ev.9qcIXhG8J6YIy9K IACQW.UgHvqJAcxDlzutUBcbKp0f1utBVT9KJgBdLaORzSHqm1Ejll8P6dpC Ernix9KnXl4VUEsUc4mD7ZMghTxXKz1NlYsGI78xt2Nl6t8b7jEfvwejrzm0 EmIXQo3PBFwAZz6UnLm3khwA8s0l_YD0NLSS56qpcyHAkHgFAu3ofbiE_QhT kZf.VaMuUyAvYPv2A3GkDj9mT3RW1LHB45z4.GQ01hW7N5ZmTU9uB4Awc_GL Hey7D.b7x.RdV2Yzu4QqwJT.cWCykBJOINPdTS9FkJ6EstSKlU0himIFLBfp hiheb_vPPWiuL6rN3e0lwq0atu7UtaJ.rV50YiGUmcdMyCAjfWW39kXHx7P7 UxOBGqvPmCiCK5Gy8KaFmthwNlxPWF9.EpuNeZXuZvtQEWEVHFVgcDsy2cYm 7TYJR17WvLbTbkMmpn.YUcOZ76_yhUAHmkxzJn7ws70Vgj83BX.E2vTwGKvV 2bA_7N0L_tapSTwFrmcBPWWmvFIb.SmJEwliXTlzO X-Received: from [181.163.174.219] by web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:42:29 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,VGhhbmsgeW91IHNvIG11Y2gsIFNjb3R0ISEhCgpJIHJlYWxseSBhcHByZWNpYXRlIHlvdXIgY29tbWVudHMgYW5kICBJIHRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgeW91ciBoZWxwLgoKV2UgYXJlIGEgdHlwaWNhbCBwb3B1bGFyIG11c2ljIGxvY2FsIHN0YXRpb24gKGxhdGluIG11c2ljLCB0aGUgbW9zdCkuIEJ1dCB3ZSdyZSB0cnlpbmcgdG8gY2hhbmdlIGl0LCBzbG93bHksIGluY2x1ZGluZyBuZXdzLCBsaXZlIGludGVydmlld3MgYW5kIGNocmlzdGlhbiBtdXNpYyBldmVyeSBTYXR1cmRheS4gVGhlIGZpbmFsIGlkZWEgaXMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.203.733 References: Message-ID: <1413837749.48619.YahooMailNeo@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:42:29 -0700 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1993147269-45670734-1413837749=:48619" X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.33 Reply-To: Jota Pe Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Recording AM Stereo Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=-uEexG269JKLLK_RJIMLAHXoXrJzzEaJGWUIL9PtkL9bo3Jodg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 From: Jota Pe --1993147269-45670734-1413837749=:48619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you so much, Scott!!! I really appreciate your comments and I thank you for your help. We are a typical popular music local station (latin music, the most). But w= e're trying to change it, slowly, including news, live interviews and chris= tian music every Saturday. The final idea is to try to give more "culture" = than just "fun". Just a doubt: Can you guide me about those "settings", in the PC? I have to= recognize the Internet is a very far and new whole world to me (I think I = can repair a vacuum tube transmitter, by myself, but I don't know any about= that "Internet parameters", hahahahaha!!!) BTW: Are you meaning that the sides (faces) measurement of the tower are a = critical issue to the performance of the tower? First time I hear it. I've = always seen the typical 30 to 50 cm sides tower, without any comment about = the final performance. Please, let me know more about this, OK? GOD BLESS YOU ALL, BROTHER!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra CC-126 Radio Condell AM From Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del Maule, Chile (South America) Hear us at: http://www.radiocondellcurico.cl El Domingo, 19 de octubre, 2014 21:06:08, "scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereo= forum]" escribi=C3=B3: =20 =20=20 I think you may have a setting that needs to be changed in your computer in= order to stream stereo. As for the best antenna type, the base insulated = type requires less maintenance. The only time you really want to consider = a folded unipole is if you have a short tower or one that has less than an = 18 inch face. The skirt wires will help with the bandwidth. Scott Todd=20 --1993147269-45670734-1413837749=:48619 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you = so much, Scott!!!


We are= a typical popular music local station (latin music, the most). But we're try= ing to change it, slowly, including news, live interviews and christian mus= ic every Saturday. The final idea is to try to give more "culture" than jus= t "fun".

J= ust a doubt: Can you guide me about those "settings", in the PC? I have to = recognize the Internet is a very far and new whole world to me (I think I c= an repair a vacuum tube transmitter, by myself, but I don't know any about = that "Internet parameters", hahahahaha!!!)
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BTW: Are you meaning that the sides= (faces) measurement of the tower are a critical issue to the performance o= f the tower? First time I hear it. I've always seen the typical 30 to 50 cm= sides tower, without any comment about the final performance. Please, let = me know more about this, OK?

GOD BLESS YOU ALL, BROTHER!!!!!!!


Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
CC-12= 6 Radio Condell AM
From Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3= =B3n del Maule, Chile (South America)



El Domingo, 19 de octubre, 2014 21:06:08, "scottn0b= st@igenesis.us [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> escri= bi=C3=B3:


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I think you may have a setting that needs to be changed in your computer in= order to stream stereo.  As for the best antenna type, the base insul= ated type requires less maintenance.  The only time you really want to= consider a folded unipole is if you have a short tower or one that has les= s than an 18 inch face.  The skirt wires will help with the bandwidth.=

Scott Todd



--1993147269-45670734-1413837749=:48619-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Oct 21 00:34:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48929 invoked by uid 102); 21 Oct 2014 07:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m15.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2014 07:34:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21484 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2014 07:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lb0-f172.google.com) (98.139.245.163) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2014 07:34:38 -0000 X-Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id b6so501156lbj.3 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 00:34:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.157.194 with SMTP id wo2mr23386683lbb.55.1413876877192; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 00:34:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.25.129.211 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 00:34:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1413837749.48619.YahooMailNeo@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1413837749.48619.YahooMailNeo@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:34:37 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c33f5e0574de0505e9dd78 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.172 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Recording AM Stereo Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=3GfN_6pNV_DZjgvrQFMJy1y80fPaTh9H-X5qQiUogsQ567C0 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --001a11c33f5e0574de0505e9dd78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jota, regarding the computer settings. The streaming from the web page appears to be done through shockwave flash app and the address of the audio is hidden, so I can't stream the audio to a standalone player (such as Winamp or VLC) to see the encoding settings. According to https://radiostreaminghd.net/preguntasfrecuentes.php (after translating the Spanish :), the AAC+ encoder runs on your computer and sends its output to RadioOnline's servers. Your audio sounds like it is encoded at around 32kbps. Parametric stereo is possible at this bitrate. Unfortunately I am in Australia so I can only try to guide you from afar :) The first thing I would try is to record a few seconds of your line input to a simple wav editor such as Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) to ensure that the computer is receiving stereo (listen to the playback). Even though you have wired everything up correctly, the soundcard could be in mono microphone mode or could be mixing down the input channels for some reason. Secondly (if the above worked), open your encoding software and see if there are any settings you can tweak. Cheers, Dan On 21 October 2014 04:42, Jota Pe jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Thank you so much, Scott!!! > > I really appreciate your comments and I thank you for your help. > > We are a typical popular music local station (latin music, the most). But > we're trying to change it, slowly, including news, live interviews and > christian music every Saturday. The final idea is to try to give more > "culture" than just "fun". > > Just a doubt: Can you guide me about those "settings", in the PC? I have > to recognize the Internet is a very far and new whole world to me (I thin= k > I can repair a vacuum tube transmitter, by myself, but I don't know any > about that "Internet parameters", hahahahaha!!!) > > BTW: Are you meaning that the sides (faces) measurement of the tower are = a > critical issue to the performance of the tower? First time I hear it. I'v= e > always seen the typical 30 to 50 cm sides tower, without any comment abou= t > the final performance. Please, let me know more about this, OK? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL, BROTHER!!!!!!! > > > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > CC-126 Radio Condell AM > From Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del Maule, Chile (South America) > Hear us at: http://www.radiocondellcurico.cl > > > > El Domingo, 19 de octubre, 2014 21:06:08, "scottn0bst@igenesis.us > [amstereoforum]" escribi=C3=B3: > > > > > I think you may have a setting that needs to be changed in your computer > in order to stream stereo. As for the best antenna type, the base > insulated type requires less maintenance. The only time you really want = to > consider a folded unipole is if you have a short tower or one that has le= ss > than an 18 inch face. The skirt wires will help with the bandwidth. > > Scott Todd > > > >=20=20=20=20 > --001a11c33f5e0574de0505e9dd78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jota,

regarding the computer setting= s. The streaming from the web page appears to be done through shockwave fla= sh app and the address of the audio is hidden, so I can't stream the au= dio to a standalone player (such as Winamp or VLC) to see the encoding sett= ings.

According to=C2=A0https://radiostreaminghd.net/pregunt= asfrecuentes.php (after translating the Spanish :), the AAC+ encoder ru= ns on your computer and sends its output to RadioOnline's servers. Your= audio sounds like it is encoded at around 32kbps. Parametric stereo is pos= sible at this bitrate.

Unfortunately I am in Austr= alia so I can only try to guide you from afar :)

T= he first thing I would try is to record a few seconds of your line input to= a simple wav editor such as Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) to ensure that the computer = is receiving stereo (listen to the playback). Even though you have wired ev= erything up correctly, the soundcard could be in mono microphone mode or co= uld be mixing down the input channels for some reason.

=
Secondly (if the above worked), open your encoding software and see if= there are any settings you can tweak.

Cheers,
Dan

On 21 October 2014 04:42, Jota Pe jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@y= ahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Thank you so m= uch, Scott!!!

= I really appreciate your comments and =C2=A0I thank you for your help= .

We are= a typical popular music local station (latin music, the most). But we're= trying to change it, slowly, including news, live interviews and christian= music every Saturday. The final idea is to try to give more "culture&= quot; than just "fun".

=
Just a doubt: Can you guide me about those "s= ettings", in the PC? I have to recognize the Internet is a very far an= d new whole world to me (I think I can repair a vacuum tube transmitter, by= myself, but I don't know any about that "Internet parameters"= ;, hahahahaha!!!)

BTW: Are you meaning that the sides (faces) measurement of the tower are = a critical issue to the performance of the tower? First time I hear it. I&#= 39;ve always seen the typical 30 to 50 cm sides tower, without any comment = about the final performance. Please, let me know more about this, OK?

GOD BLESS YOU ALL, BROTHER!!!!!!!


Juan Jes= =C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
CC-126 Radio Condell = AM
From Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del = Maule, Chile (South America)



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El Domingo, 19 de octu= bre, 2014 21:06:08, "scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yaho= ogroups.com> escribi=C3=B3:


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I think you may have a setting that needs to be changed in your computer in= order to stream stereo.=C2=A0 As for the best antenna type, the base insul= ated type requires less maintenance.=C2=A0 The only time you really want to= consider a folded unipole is if you have a short tower or one that has les= s than an 18 inch face.=C2=A0 The skirt wires will help with the bandwidth.=

Scott Todd



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--9nlWnTS9ocNmxdhsK3FKVLWiM6a5jwOaA8HvrLV-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Oct 26 19:42:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62097 invoked by uid 102); 27 Oct 2014 02:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m17.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2014 02:42:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12079 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2014 02:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lb0-f180.google.com) (98.139.245.164) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2014 02:42:26 -0000 X-Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id z12so1507201lbi.39 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:42:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.12.35 with SMTP id v3mr20228685lbb.80.1414377745541; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:42:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.25.129.6 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:42:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:42:25 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c39fd219efdd05065e7bf3 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.180 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The real problem of the AM stations (Chile situation) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=EQyNAu9B5hpToK2LcNzW29wIWeCIMsyWWxxs3I43ObOCKA9Z X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --001a11c39fd219efdd05065e7bf3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aside from the sound quality (FM is usually comparatively better), I agree with what everyone is saying about the format. Local audience interaction is good. In terms of music selection, it doesn't really matter if you play older music as long as it is popular (the no 1. station in Perth for the last 20 years plays predominantly 70s and 80s pop), but you have to keep it fresh. i.e. throw in a great album track from time to time, do interviews with the artists etc. That way, your material doesn't have to be stale, even if your format precludes new music. Also, if I was the owner of a station, I would possibly forego some income and BAN advertising from funeral directors. Old music was young people's music once. On 26 October 2014 23:36, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > "Yes, you've got to get those people to listen. It's not going to happen > by sticking a computer in a broom closet and programming it with hate tal= k > radio or sports talk, which can be heard on a dozen other signals. Serve > your community, be involved in it. Get out and be with the people. Give > them a full-service format interspersed with music that isn't on all the > other station's 300 crappy song playlists. THAT is what it takes to not > merely survive, but thrive in AM. Many stations are doing just that." > > Boogieman- love him or hate him, guys like Rush Limbaugh are at least a > substantial portion of the reason AM radio even survives today in the US, > though I fully agree it can be MUCH more than just talk radio. Juan- a > good example of what he's talking about is station WION in Ionia Michigan= . > They stream from an AM stereo tuner and are a perfect example of what AM > radio can do. Is there any way you can adapt their format to your town i= n > Chile? Don't be afraid to ask them for advice. They're great people to > talk with. > > Scott Todd >=20=20 > --001a11c39fd219efdd05065e7bf3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Aside from the sound quality (FM is usually comparatively = better), I agree with what everyone is saying about the format. Local audie= nce interaction is good.

In terms of music selection, it= doesn't really matter if you play older music as long as it is popular= (the no 1. station in Perth for the last 20 years plays predominantly 70s = and 80s pop), but you have to keep it fresh. i.e. throw in a great album tr= ack from time to time, do interviews with the artists etc. That way, your m= aterial doesn't have to be stale, even if your format precludes new mus= ic.

Also, if I was the owner of a station, I would= possibly forego some income and BAN advertising from funeral directors. Ol= d music was young people's music once.


On 26 October 2014 23:3= 6, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [am= stereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wro= te:
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"Yes,=20 you've got to get those people to listen. It's not going to happen = by=20 sticking a computer in a broom closet and programming it with hate talk=20 radio or sports talk, which can be heard on a dozen other signals. Serve your community, be involved in it. Get out and be with the people. Give them a full-service format interspersed with music that isn't on all=20 the other station's 300 crappy song playlists. THAT is what it takes to= =20 not merely survive, but thrive in AM. Many stations are doing just that.&qu= ot;

Boogieman- love him or hate him, guys like Rush Limbaugh are at = least a substantial portion of the reason AM radio even survives today in t= he US, though I fully agree it can be MUCH more than just talk radio.=C2=A0= Juan- a good example of what he's talking about is station WION in Ion= ia Michigan.=C2=A0 They stream from an AM stereo tuner and are a perfect ex= ample of what AM radio can do.=C2=A0 Is there any way you can adapt their f= ormat to your town in Chile?=C2=A0 Don't be afraid to ask them for advi= ce.=C2=A0 They're great people to talk with.

Scott Todd

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--001a11c39fd219efdd05065e7bf3-- From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Oct 26 21:30:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: mjgrant@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21141 invoked by uid 102); 27 Oct 2014 04:30:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2014 04:30:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8006 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2014 04:30:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-m08.mx.aol.com) (98.139.245.165) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2014 04:30:02 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.85]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DD0E47000009A for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:30:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mra001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mra001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.65]) by mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B103738000081 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:30:01 -0400 (EDT) References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D1BFB5CEB46383_1F74_60918_webmail-va095.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail STANDARD X-Received: from 75.132.249.47 by webmail-va095.sysops.aol.com (205.188.21.77) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:30:01 -0400 Message-Id: <8D1BFB5CE9EF71A-1F74-18E24@webmail-va095.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:30:01 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd55544dca493304 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.222.129 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The real problem of the AM stations (Chile situation) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fDLzCce5UYYDmWlIBSt9Em-pzd9F3AVmQpobtS4oYzlcSsw9p8P3HufKibOWrpWG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ----------MB_8D1BFB5CEB46383_1F74_60918_webmail-va095.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just listened to a three hours of KCJJ. Although I suppose technically, = their proof isn't as a good as FM, it is certainly listenable by any standa= rd. Radio, AM or FM, is a synergy of technology and entertainment, always have = been, always will be. The first Golden Age of radio began in the 30s with = everyone believing it would soon be dead in the late 40s with the advent of= television. Like the mighty dinosaur which once ruled this planet like AM= radio in the Golden Age held dominion of the airwaves. With both, the env= ironment changed. The dinosaur perished because it could not adapt. AM Ra= dio almost perished. It could now longer be what it once was. Thanks most= ly in part to a man from Omaha, no, not Warren Buffet, who was fascinated b= y radio who chose to take a different path than his family's beer business.= His name was Todd Storz. He re-invented radio just in the nick of time. = He saw the way of saving radio was not to produce better radio dramas, sit= coms, and games shows, broadcast by networks to try to hold on to an audien= ce which was departing for television, a medium much better suited for that= kind of entertainment. He created what came to known as Top 40 which bega= n a new age of radio, perhaps not as golden, but certainly at least sterlin= g silver. It was American Graffetti, only for real. As with the networks of the Golden Age, that time had it giants that ruled = the airwaves of their day, stations like WLS, WABC, KFI, KFRC, to name just= a few. Many people mistakenly believe it was the music of the time that m= ade Top 40. It wasn't. Top 40 was a package, an entertainment package. E= very station had access to the same music. That wasn't what made a station= great. If that were so, all a station had to do to beat out the competit= ion was to have the idiot on the board play one record after another. Stat= ions tried that and failed miserably. In the late 70s, just as in the late= 40s, the environment was changing. FM radios had become common in cars. = Advertising dollars, the life's blood of broadcast in the U.S. was leaving = for other media. There were technical answers to AM's quality, AM Stereo b= ut there was resistance to new standards from those who wanted to squeeze t= he last dollars out before the medium died. Station owners bought into the= myth, certainly not limited to broadcasting, that cutting costs was the wa= y to riches. The heart of AM Radio was fluttering and there was no one lik= e Todd Storz around to re-vitalized it. Unlike with Top 40, no one brought AM Radio back to life. Instead, rather = than to allow it die a dignified death, some turned the medium into a zombi= e known today as talk radio. For a few years, WLW in Cincinnati operated a= t 500kW. There were plans for other stations to acquire superpower. What = killed the idea was it was thought that vested too much political power in = a limited number of stations. I have to wonder what those same folks would= have thought about Talk Radio. I used to make lengthy drives through rura= l areas once served by the independent local programming of the Big Clears.= Now all I can get is Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity at a dozen or so spot= s on the nightime dial with congested clutter in between. I don't know what KCJJ's finances are like. However, that is as close to b= eing the next generation of AM station I have heard anywhere. Mike =20=20 ----------MB_8D1BFB5CEB46383_1F74_60918_webmail-va095.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I just listened to a three = hours of KCJJ.  Although I suppose technically, their proof isn't as a= good as FM, it is certainly listenable by any standard.

Radio, AM or FM, is a synergy of technology and entertainment, always = have been, always will be.  The first Golden Age of radio began in the= 30s with everyone believing it would soon be dead in the late 40s with the= advent of television.  Like the mighty dinosaur which once ruled this= planet like AM radio in the Golden Age held dominion of the airwaves. &nbs= p;With both, the environment changed.  The dinosaur perished because i= t could not adapt.  AM Radio almost perished.  It could now longe= r be what it once was.  Thanks mostly in part to a man from Omaha, no,= not Warren Buffet, who was fascinated by radio who chose to take a differe= nt path than his family's beer business.  His name was Todd Storz. &nb= sp;He re-invented radio just in the nick of time.  He saw the way of s= aving radio was not to produce better radio dramas, sitcoms, and games show= s, broadcast by networks to try to hold on to an audience which was departi= ng for television, a medium much better suited for that kind of entertainme= nt.  He created what came to known as Top 40 which began a new age of = radio, perhaps not as golden, but certainly at least sterling silver.  = ;It was American Graffetti, only for real.

As with the networks of the Golden Age, that time had it giants that r= uled the airwaves of their day, stations like WLS, WABC, KFI, KFRC, to name= just a few.  Many people mistakenly believe it was the music of the t= ime that made Top 40.  It wasn't.  Top 40 was a package, an enter= tainment package.  Every station had access to the same music.  T= hat wasn't what made a station great.   If that were so, all a station= had to do to beat out the competition was to have the idiot on the board p= lay one record after another.  Stations tried that and failed miserabl= y.  In the late 70s, just as in the late 40s, the environment was chan= ging.  FM radios had become common in cars.  Advertising dollars,= the life's blood of broadcast in the U.S. was leaving for other media. &nb= sp;There were technical answers to AM's quality, AM Stereo but there was re= sistance to new standards from those who wanted to squeeze the last dollars= out before the medium died.  Station owners bought into the myth, cer= tainly not limited to broadcasting, that cutting costs was the way to riche= s.  The heart of AM Radio was fluttering and there was no one like Tod= d Storz around to re-vitalized it.

Unlike with Top 40, no one brought AM Radio back to life.  Instea= d, rather than to allow it die a dignified death, some turned the medium in= to a zombie known today as talk radio.  For a few years, WLW in Cincin= nati operated at 500kW.  There were plans for other stations to acquir= e superpower.  What killed the idea was it was thought that vested too= much political power in a limited number of stations.  I have to wond= er what those same folks would have thought about Talk Radio.  I used = to make lengthy drives through rural areas once served by the independent l= ocal programming of the Big Clears.  Now all I can get is Rush Limbaug= h and Sean Hannity at a dozen or so spots on the nightime dial with congest= ed clutter in between.

I don't know what KCJJ's finances are like.  However, that is as = close to being the next generation of AM station I have heard anywhere.

Mike



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On Oct 26, 2= 014, at 10:36 AM, scottn0bst@igen= esis.us [amstereoforum] wrote:

Boogieman-= love him or hate him, guys like Rush Limbaugh are at least a substantial p= ortion of the reason AM radio even survives today in the US, though I fully= agree it can be MUCH more than just talk radio. 

This was true at one time and in some markets its stil= l true. Rush has run his time and he is becoming a financial anchor. Were t= his not so, Cumulus would not have had so much heartburn. If I were a stati= on owner, no matter what I thought about his show, if he was making money, = he would be on. Profits are what business is all about. 
Rush did keep listeners on AM for a long time but he has become= much less profitable as evidenced by his show being moved in the major cit= ies from the large flagship stations to some second tier ones. Its all abou= t the money and if you are making tons of it on the air, the big boys will = let you say what you want. Rush is getting stale and his listenership is ag= ing. Younger people are not interested. 

That= said, I will say it one more time, Rush did for several decades keep peopl= e listening to AM. His is not a format to showcase AM stereo. Analog AM ste= reo is gone and HD is going. At least HD AM can be in stereo provided you c= an find a radio to listen to it. I have an HD radio but on AM its nearly to= tally useless in my noisy house. 

Between the= flea power given to HD AM and all the noise generators that I am sure do n= ot meet Part 15 they are the killer of AM radio. If you can't hear it at ho= me or your apartment with all the plasma TVs, computers and computer contro= lled machines and all the line noise then no one will even try to hear it. = I would bet that the age of an AM listener is way up there and you and I kn= ow that radio stations are not looking for those listeners. 

Its too bad. 

Kevin
Crump, TN
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=at7EdLgpb7zteD0mdH6qv2C1h_zRKcXwjWZHMNGhtDveVp3UJ6s1fsFoq8SWFbv7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ----------MB_8D1C00D0156D678_278_665B2_webmail-va090.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The airwaves belong to the people, at least in the United States. Broadcas= ters are licensed to serve the public interest. That doesn't mean commerci= al broadcasters aren't allowed to turn a profit doing so, just that they ha= ve an obligation to the public rather than simply to make a profit for them= selves. Since radio was in its infancy, responsible people have done both = quite successfully. When changing technology, demographics, migration of a= dvertising dollars, and de-regulation put pressure on the industry, conside= ration of the public interest went out the door. In my opinion, radio, and AM radio in particular, needs to re-invent itself= . There are far too many stations to be supported by the available ad reve= nue and stations need to be culled to cut down on clutter on the AM band. = Technology has literally put whatever music is available at the consumer's = fingertips, so broadcasting "jukeboxes" or purveyors of "bird droppings" ar= en't going to cut it. It's going to take more. I wish I was smart enough = to know what that is, but I'm not. Mike -----Original Message----- From: kevin redding amfmdx@centurytel.net [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Mon, Oct 27, 2014 7:59 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The real problem of the AM... =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 On Oct 26, 2014, at 10:36 AM, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] wrote: Boogieman- love him or hate him, guys like Rush Limbaugh are at least a sub= stantial portion of the reason AM radio even survives today in the US, thou= gh I fully agree it can be MUCH more than just talk radio.=20 This was true at one time and in some markets its still true. Rush has run = his time and he is becoming a financial anchor. Were this not so, Cumulus w= ould not have had so much heartbu rn. If I were a station owner, no matter = what I thought about his show, if he was making money, he would be on. Prof= its are what business is all about.=20 Rush did keep listeners on AM for a long time but he has become much less p= rofitable as evidenced by his show being moved in the major cities from the= large flagship stations to some second tier ones. Its all about the money = and if you are making tons of it on the air, the big boys will let you say = what you want. Rush is getting stale and his listenership is aging. Younger= people are not interested.=20 That said, I will say it one more time, Rush did for several decades keep p= eople listening to AM. His is not a format to showcase AM stereo. Analog AM= stereo is gone and HD is going. At least HD AM can be in stereo provided y= ou can find a radio to listen to it. I have an HD radio but on AM its nearl= y totally useless in my noisy house.=20 Betw een the flea power given to HD AM and all the noise generators that I = am sure do not meet Part 15 they are the killer of AM radio. If you can't h= ear it at home or your apartment with all the plasma TVs, computers and com= puter controlled machines and all the line noise then no one will even try = to hear it. I would bet that the age of an AM listener is way up there and = you and I know that radio stations are not looking for those listeners.=20 Its too bad.=20 Kevin Crump, TN =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D1C00D0156D678_278_665B2_webmail-va090.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" The airwaves belong to the = people, at least in the United States.  Broadcasters are licensed to s= erve the public interest.  That doesn't mean commercial broadcasters a= ren't allowed to turn a profit doing so, just that they have an obligation = to the public rather than simply to make a profit for themselves.  Sin= ce radio was in its infancy, responsible people have done both quite succes= sfully.  When changing technology, demographics, migration of advertis= ing dollars, and de-regulation put pressure on the industry, consideration = of the public interest went out the door.

In my opinion, radio, and AM radio in particular, needs to re-invent i= tself.  There are far too many stations to be supported by the availab= le ad revenue and stations need to be culled to cut down on clutter on the = AM band.  Technology has literally put whatever music is available at = the consumer's fingertips, so broadcasting "jukeboxes" or purveyors of "bir= d droppings" aren't going to cut it.  It's going to take more.  I= wish I was smart enough to know what that is, but I'm not.

Mike


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From: kevin redding amfmdx@centurytel.net [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum= @yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 27, 2014 7:59 am
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The real problem of the AM...

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On Oct 26, 2014, at 10:36 AM, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] wrote:

Boogieman- love him or hate him, gu= ys like Rush Limbaugh are at least a substantial portion of the reason AM r= adio even survives today in the US, though I fully agree it can be MUCH mor= e than just talk radio. 

This was true at one time and in some markets its still true. Rush has= run his time and he is becoming a financial anchor. Were this not so, Cumu= lus would not have had so much heartbu rn. If I were a station owner, no matter what I thought about his show, if= he was making money, he would be on. Profits are what business is all abou= t. 

Rush did keep listeners on AM for a long time but he has become much l= ess profitable as evidenced by his show being moved in the major cities fro= m the large flagship stations to some second tier ones. Its all about the m= oney and if you are making tons of it on the air, the big boys will let you= say what you want. Rush is getting stale and his listenership is aging. Yo= unger people are not interested. 

That said, I will say it one more time, Rush did for several decades k= eep people listening to AM. His is not a format to showcase AM stereo. Anal= og AM stereo is gone and HD is going. At least HD AM can be in stereo provi= ded you can find a radio to listen to it. I have an HD radio but on AM its = nearly totally useless in my noisy house. 

Betw een the flea power given to HD AM and all the noise generators that I am s= ure do not meet Part 15 they are the killer of AM radio. If you can't hear = it at home or your apartment with all the plasma TVs, computers and compute= r controlled machines and all the line noise then no one will even try to h= ear it. I would bet that the age of an AM listener is way up there and you = and I know that radio stations are not looking for those listeners. 

Its too bad. 

Kevin
Crump, TN
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Just my 2cents (it may be a bit of a rant, but this history bugs me) In the 90s when Radio AAHS reached my market, I was amazed at the programming and marketing. I thought what a brilliant idea, the idea of a =E2=80=9CNickelodeon-type=E2=80=9D channel brought to radio. This sta= tion would be the automatic go-to station for any parent with kids in the car, and it would get young listeners exposed to AM. They built a nation-wide network of stations and then naturally went to Disney, seeking them as a customer/partner. Disney did not meet them in good faith, but rather stole their basic idea and then crushed them out of existence with their deep pockets. Disney did nothing with the network that= they built, it was just one long 24/7 Disney corporate commercial, unliste= nable IMHO. Children may be naive but they can sense insincere bs when it i= s shovelled at them. Now the corporate shills have divested themselves of t= heir stations. Had AAHS been allowed to live, i believe this would have bee= n healthy for the AM band. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_AAHS http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/89717/radio-disney-to-sell-all-but-o= ne-station/ http://www.radioworld.com/article/radio-disney-to-sell-most-radio-stations-= heres-the-list/271800 http://media.info/radio/opinion/what-the-radio-disney-am-switchoff-means-to= -radio http://www.markramseymedia.com/2014/08/surprise-radio-disney-doesnt-need-ra= dio/ =20 Thank You Kindly Now,=20 t deshler --1059988013-1116939084-1414436252=:67930 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Conte= nt is King. Just my 2cents (it may be a bit of a rant, but this history bugs me) In the 90s when Radio AAHS reached my market, I was amazed at the programming and marketing. I thought what a brilliant idea, the idea of a =E2=80=9CNickelodeon-type=E2=80=9D channel brought to radio. This sta= tion would be the automatic go-to station for any parent with kids in the car, and it would get young listeners exposed to AM. They built a nation-wide network of stations and then naturally went to Disney, seeking them as a customer/partner. Disney did not meet them in good faith, but rather stole their basic idea and then crushed them out of existence with their deep pockets. Disney did nothing with the network that= they built, it was just one long 24/7 Disney corporate commercial, unliste= nable IMHO. Children may be naive but they can sense insincere bs when it i= s shovelled at them. Now the corporate shills have divested themselves of t= heir stations. Had AAHS been allowed to live, i believe this would have bee= n healthy for the AM band.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_AAHS

http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/89717/radio-disney-to-sell= -all-but-one-station/

http://www.radioworld.com/article/radio-disney-to-sel= l-most-radio-stations-heres-the-list/271800

http://media.info/radio/opinion/what-the-radio-disney-am-swi= tchoff-means-to-radio
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http://www.markramseymedia.com/2014/0= 8/surprise-radio-disney-doesnt-need-radio/



 
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boundary="--------MB_8D1C05467AA0A9D_D5C_6FFAE_webmail-va091.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail STANDARD X-Received: from 75.132.249.47 by webmail-va091.sysops.aol.com (149.174.108.112) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:25:18 -0400 Message-Id: <8D1C05467734AE6-D5C-1CE42@webmail-va091.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:25:18 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b1394544ed45e18d6 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.78 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The real problem of the AM stations (Chile situation) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=bFvPejKo8P3Bjw6tEqVyEySLbZhu6t2PE-dEiNWfcE5fL_ptdqz96kDmvYbqDFQq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ----------MB_8D1C05467AA0A9D_D5C_6FFAE_webmail-va091.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Budget vs. listenership is a chicken and egg situation. One lesson Todd St= orz taught was not to do things on the cheap. In his case, he primed the p= ump with family beer money. Compare this to "Cheap Channel". After acquir= ing a station, he held a meeting with Chief Engineer who asked what his bud= get would be. Todd told him he didn't have a budget. Astonished, the CE e= xplained how equipment aged, tubes had to be renewed, etc.. Todd said he m= isunderstood. The directive was simply to spend what was necessary. There= was no limit. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Mon, Oct 27, 2014 3:35 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: The real problem of the AM stations (Chile situation) =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi, gang!!! Thank you so much, from the bottom of my heart, for all your comments, data= and ideas. You had given me a very good "panoramic view" to "point" my north. I just hope to get to "raise" our budget (because we have a more than "reas= onable" amount of listener but a poor, so poor, amount of advertising). Thanks a lot for your precious time!!! God bless you all!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra CC-126 Radio Condell AM Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del Maule, Chile (South America) =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D1C05467AA0A9D_D5C_6FFAE_webmail-va091.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Budget vs. listenership is = a chicken and egg situation.  One lesson Todd Storz taught was not to = do things on the cheap.  In his case, he primed the pump with family b= eer money.  Compare this to "Cheap Channel".  After acquiring a s= tation, he held a meeting with Chief Engineer who asked what his budget wou= ld be.  Todd told him he didn't have a budget.  Astonished, the C= E explained how equipment aged, tubes had to be renewed, etc..  Todd s= aid he misunderstood.  The directive was simply to spend what was nece= ssary.  There was no limit.

Mike


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From: jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.co= m>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 27, 2014 3:35 pm
Subject: {AMSF} Re: The real problem of the AM stations (Chile situation)
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Hi, gang!!!

Thank you so much, from the bottom of my heart, for all your comments,= data and ideas.

You had given me a very good "panoramic view" to "point" my north.

I just hope to get to "raise" our budget (because we have a more than = "reasonable" amount of listener but a poor, so poor, amount of advertising)= .

Thanks a lot for your precious time!!!

God bless you all!!!!!!!


Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
CC-126 Radio Condell AM
Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del Maule, Chile (South America)

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Hi Gang,
 
Thanks for posting this, Tim.
I must say though, the news is disappointing.  I felt fortunate t= o be in reception range of Radio Disney's WWJZ 640.  The content w= as fresh, & though not perfect, was far more "cleaned up" tha= n most contemporary music stations.
 
Most of the personalities on it seem to enjoy what they were doing &am= p; the station had an energetic fun feel to it; something that has been lac= king in radio (especially AM) for years.  A lot of stations have repla= ced that with sleaze, shock, & gossip.
 
It also gave the youngsters a reason to own a radio & throw the sw= itch to AM.  It is not my favorite station, but I thought it the enter= tainment was good, and do listen from time to time.
 
This is not to say I side with Disney, squashing the competition. &nbs= p;I was unaware of that.  But they did do some good.  The signal = used to have a real muddy, murky sound to it.  Disney bought it & = converted it to HD.  It still sounded murky.  Then they shut the = HD down and the station's audio sounded markedly better on any receiver= tried. 
 
As I said, I was not aware of the dirty laundry, but now the only full= time music station in my area (except for ethnic stations. Yuck!) will be = gone.  I think it will be missed.
 
Have a good day,
Joe R.
 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 201= 4 at 2:57 PM
From: "timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]= " <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" <amstereoforum= @yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {AMSF} Re: The real problem of the AM stations (Chile = situation)

 

Content is King. J= ust my 2cents (it may be a bit of a rant, but this history bugs me) In the = 90s when Radio AAHS reached my market, I was amazed at the programming and = marketing. I thought what a brilliant idea, the idea of a “Nickelodeo= n-type” channel brought to radio. This station would be the automatic= go-to station for any parent with kids in the car, and it would get young = listeners exposed to AM. They built a nation-wide network of stations and t= hen naturally went to Disney, seeking them as a customer/partner. Disney di= d not meet them in good faith, but rather stole their basic idea and then c= rushed them out of existence with their deep pockets. Disney did nothing wi= th the network that they built, it was just one long 24/7 Disney corporate = commercial, unlistenable IMHO. Children may be naive but they can sense ins= incere bs when it is shovelled at them. Now the corporate shills have dives= ted themselves of their stations. Had AAHS been allowed to live, i believe = this would have been healthy for the AM band.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_AAHS
 
http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/89717/radio-disney-to-= sell-all-but-one-station/
 
http://www.radioworld.com/article/radio-disney-to-s= ell-most-radio-stations-heres-the-list/271800
 
http://media.info/radio/opinion/what-the-radio-disney-am-switchoff= -means-to-radio
 
http://www.markramseymed= ia.com/2014/08/surprise-radio-disney-doesnt-need-radio/
 
 
 
 
Thank You Kindly Now,

t deshler
 
 
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boundary="1870516026-1851033885-1415147047=:87790" X-Originating-IP: 98.138.120.55 Reply-To: timothy deshler Subject: AFCCE Symposium c-quam demo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195264138; y=7CMidDuKQE1ib2LSjoEuNA3geGFQ0bJc3n3gla79ZttXMZbu X-Yahoo-Profile: tjdeshler From: timothy deshler --1870516026-1851033885-1415147047=:87790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii AFCCE Symposium c-quam demo http://www.radioworld.com/article/afcce-symposium-explores-broadcast-antennas-/273126 Thank You Kindly Now, t deshler --1870516026-1851033885-1415147047=:87790 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

AFCCE Symposium c-quam demo
 
Thank You Kindly Now,

t deshler

--1870516026-1851033885-1415147047=:87790-- From tjdeshler@yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 11:26:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: tjdeshler@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25071 invoked by uid 102); 8 Nov 2014 19:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2014 19:26:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24526 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2014 19:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm46-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.81) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2014 19:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2014 19:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.100.112] by nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2014 19:24:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.167] by tm103.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2014 19:24:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.253] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2014 19:24:01 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2014 19:24:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 560584.2821.bm@omp1024.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 69452 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2014 19:24:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b2LHgzkVM1lJ59k0PeXpaGfkwyTUQCVN8MieFhKdtd7xz1o DELLHvSfk30f_xIsVQngIbShcoYR.l_3jmUb8mj4YGwBAZR6gYasYlYFTNux xTfqNTJWF72pvA3K07CnuYoGby4QrWBQvGdXB_5M8AIKd66vsZ5WymULwWVf 3ZITtQQQvRgIqPZu410oj6v6Kl9HMQK0z0XL4JdSe.KsDojtn1GXpEYLqSJ2 ozOMBBxAKVIrk4Dv47vvWf9qeMPuzAtN1M3hGnkVTVmKX8_4RYgk0HAGj0NL fpVJ7780hBKoy6D4EEGqJec0BQJIgaHBwwOUaeknIRyI3TUCSZ7rAMJxssnE m8Sc5gWM9K9dEivIVDp5o3uqyPwRyWqRT8xd64npfFiUKUCg1YmiQjR78t2m cdTMen_w3sTfYJWHIJYbMXbXQE3QTbbbWJW02EOFe_ex.8OwimrOE8PPDZ3r o49ElSs_.p6_zykbgBGU3AWoeCTRttE326PjDeAWB1lTjf5Xf.WVw6OuT31I qRYLDDIKuX5.hZSBL5T_bjhIWmAwS9nFsfOFNcUt10Cvwk5Ye6V8uxAzzoMB bBPGEd7U_IPDTmqwZcj2F7mUlviFymme6HJ.kcpI7QzK0wtDW5Mp4J4US7xv IImQU6I.18pL2EZ4yBecPV3FVvu6GgKg8Kjum4m8O75LHSv3QlsYLbGSP3Uo QOd0Izc9uST4aiN60.C2Kun3RgDb4qbi7IRMUOA-- X-Received: from [66.245.212.46] by web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 11:24:00 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,ZnlpCgpodHRwOi8vd3d3LnJhZGlvd29ybGQuY29tL2FydGljbGUvZGF5dGltZS1hbGwtZGlnaXRhbC1hbS1jb3VsZC1iZS1hdXRob3JpemVkLWZpcnN0LzI3MzE5OAogClRoYW5rIFlvdSBLaW5kbHkgTm93LCAKCnQgZGVzaGxlcgEwAQEBAQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.203.733 Message-ID: <1415474640.12216.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 11:24:00 -0800 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1059988013-84772233-1415474640=:12216" X-Originating-IP: 98.138.121.87 Reply-To: timothy deshler Subject: Daytime All-Digital AM Could Be Authorized First X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195264138; y=f1TfIUjpD-BNerDSfzvez_VAb91ExnvNs2o8BvYcjvxQi7ww X-Yahoo-Profile: tjdeshler From: timothy deshler --1059988013-84772233-1415474640=:12216 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii fyi http://www.radioworld.com/article/daytime-all-digital-am-could-be-authorized-first/273198 Thank You Kindly Now, t deshler --1059988013-84772233-1415474640=:12216 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii --1059988013-84772233-1415474640=:12216-- From jmrouse@mail.com Wed Nov 12 19:50:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15888 invoked by uid 102); 13 Nov 2014 03:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2014 03:50:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10165 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2014 03:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.com) (98.138.100.120) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2014 03:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from [108.36.232.148] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa02.server.lan (via HTTP); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:50:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:50:06 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <1415474640.12216.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1415474640.12216.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:92UNFPVwqGsGUNeH6lgnheu5hkPciGWpDLTpIdSdbZ9 zm1NHCAnx7NvzFJVL+pVuS3XS/4kqnO2sieFZvyc9FluD7hPT3 XHyh0lJYz/TbzRMFrwUw3nMIqsGomh9USSbb/e3IYgFyhlrJIz Ci3/tiLxFv9Dcm4VFF9q6VlCHg00tiU2vOmLcox+inxKKqr4uV e2eckdBGGWyOwNu/jGGnchZI4CndQ3JwZM73sXzweNrZnukFw8 ivcRoyvoEIJ8teU4HgcDV4zMRQTI9twS8JkVbW/LMe0p0RIwEm TYEYmrPrLFPEw7b6pJd/9AAz3uF X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.201 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Daytime All-Digital AM Could Be Authorized First X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=PGD35SNN4sclfivhdMuI6_oRw1nbhmvT-SEPvCX0oa5axhU218lM X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
As Charlie Brown would say: "Good grief"
 
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Subject: {AMSF} Daytime All-Digital AM Could Be Authorized First
From jmrouse@mail.com Wed Nov 12 20:31:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32154 invoked by uid 102); 13 Nov 2014 04:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2014 04:31:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25024 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2014 04:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.com) (98.138.100.120) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2014 04:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from [108.36.232.148] by 3capp-mailcom-lxa12.server.lan (via HTTP); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:31:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:31:54 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:jZqWqsFEQS/edswHTMhIEDB/3pwF06Zy3d55edR1ONN nnxI/VFy12dPdzc/dasYzURPCpVjAAawPKAkMle7JJDd+FsEkV Ryae/aJq+glwtnBNa+/1xKdJAMmHnxcXDt4fI3wL6x+UWnNty4 V1jYVxOV1SJZsEA9KdPYYOSveYbRL/cBM/BczvrD0cOFU0QrPz yr/5xcAxJ2wvz+2hXYypBCAtOUSo+mgPaBxW2r0ZiKA01v1m+0 TPHw/+S+U/otM7NdjsUDlCMiY5dFLKkEA8QZUTD1BUy7AUx9L1 9z2IT7iWD3Tp6p6P6d0oeQj2yYZ X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.200 Subject: OT Hurray for the good guys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=GNTY3pTUNrf19eWLcLxWZSxEcM71l1wT3zFmszAKn-52HY9fTG9w X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Hi Gang,
 
Just want to send a shout out to Juan Jotape in Chile.
Kudos to your bus driver.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9kzFeuDG7g

 
Have a good one,
Joe R.
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ASPiSYS ASMAX1 C-QUAM AM Stereo Part 15 Transmitter

 
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He got an selfsupported 3 m antenna to this TX, bu= t missing a cheap ATU to this TX.
 
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---1437147565-1628058981-1415903383=:86761-- From jeff@t1700.net Thu Nov 13 11:55:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeff@t1700.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9239 invoked by uid 102); 13 Nov 2014 19:55:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2014 19:55:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25426 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2014 19:55:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net) (98.139.245.165) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2014 19:55:25 -0000 X-Received: from resomta-po-20v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.244]) by resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id F7uZ1p0055Geu28017vRb1; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:55:25 +0000 X-Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.91.86.11]) by resomta-po-20v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id F7vP1p0080EgbmY017vPcW; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:55:24 +0000 Message-ID: <54650CBC.7020101@t1700.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:55:40 -0500 Organization: Minimum Wage Media User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1415903383.86761.YahooMailNeo@web133106.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1415903383.86761.YahooMailNeo@web133106.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010406040106030205080603" X-Originating-IP: 96.114.154.162 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ASPiSYS ASMAX1 C-QUAM AM Stereo Part 15 Transmitter - review X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=340036958; y=D0-w5QXzf1gfHxw2MmYVCUG8ALd-ixY6Q7zp2Idyb4J9s2T42mE X-Yahoo-Profile: fjockey1120 From: Jeffrey Gill --------------010406040106030205080603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Do a search on line for "field strength meter germanium diodes" and you should find a page on an amateur radio site about how to build your own FS meter real cheap. I recently built my own with such a schematic and the results with tuning an ASMAX-1 were very good. With the FS meter connected to a DMM, I was able to get within 1/4 inch of peak on a vertical pipe antenna. The ASMAX-1 has excellent stereo separation but it lacks audio brilliance and punch compared to monaural Part 15 AM competitors such as the two SSTran models. Also, the SSTran AMT-5000 has more range. And, the ASMAX-1 has more problems with spurious emissions than either SSTran. I know all this through careful testing of the ASMAX-1 and the two SSTran models with the same antenna systems and audio sources over the past couple of months. As for the rather lackluster equalization of the ASMAX-1, I was able to brighten up its sound by mimicking the treble boost equalization of the SSTRan models. I inserted a .01uf cap and a 15k resistor in parallel for each channel at the audio input jacks. But the SSTran audio was still a bit punchier and dynamic. What the Part 15 AM community can really use is a dependable series of small, economical C-Quam exciter or add-on boards that are designed to be used with specific, professional quality, Part 15 AM transmitters such as the SSTran models, the Rangemaster 1000, the Procaster, Talking House, Spitfire, etc. That would be far more useful than designing yet another tabletop toy that looks good in a YouTube video but fall short on performance when subject to rigorous testing and 24 hour outdoor use. Jeff http://www.t1700.net On 11/13/2014 1:29 PM, Roy Sandgren radio774@yahoo.se [amstereoforum] wrote: > He got an selfsupported 3 m antenna to this TX, but missing a cheap > ATU to this TX. > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN www.radiosyd.eu > -- The Stations of Minimum Wage Media: *Troubadour 1700 AM & 97.9 FM* Shirley, MA Home Brewed Micro Radio World, New Age, and the Folk Radio you once loved http://www.t1700.net *Liberty & Justice 1640 AM & 87.9 FM* The Neighborhood Talk Alternative Full spectrum information for Independent Thinkers http://www.libertyandjustice1640.com --------------010406040106030205080603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Do a search on line for "field strength meter germanium diodes" and you should find a page on an amateur radio site about how to build your own FS meter real cheap. I recently built my own with such a schematic and the results with tuning an ASMAX-1 were very good. With the FS meter connected to a DMM, I was able to get within 1/4 inch of peak on a vertical pipe antenna.

The ASMAX-1 has excellent stereo separation but it lacks audio brilliance and punch compared to monaural Part 15 AM competitors such as the two SSTran models. Also, the SSTran AMT-5000 has more range. And, the ASMAX-1 has more problems with spurious emissions than either SSTran. I know all this through careful testing of the ASMAX-1 and the two SSTran models with the same antenna systems and audio sources over the past couple of months.

As for the rather lackluster equalization of the ASMAX-1, I was able to brighten up its sound by mimicking the treble boost equalization of the SSTRan models. I inserted a .01uf cap and a 15k resistor in parallel for each channel at the audio input jacks. But the SSTran audio was still a bit punchier and dynamic.

What the Part 15 AM community can really use is a dependable series of small, economical C-Quam exciter or add-on boards that are designed to be used with specific, professional quality, Part 15 AM transmitters such as the SSTran models, the Rangemaster 1000, the Procaster, Talking House, Spitfire, etc. That would be far more useful than designing yet another tabletop toy that looks good in a YouTube video but fall short on performance when subject to rigorous testing and 24 hour outdoor use.

Jeff
http://www.t1700.net
     
On 11/13/2014 1:29 PM, Roy Sandgren radio774@yahoo.se [amstereoforum] wrote:
 
He got an selfsupported 3 m antenna to this TX, but missing a cheap ATU to this TX.
 
Bests from
Roy Sandgren
Box 14006
Se-20024 Malmo
SWEDEN      www.radiosyd.eu

--
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Shirley, MA
Home Brewed Micro Radio
World, New Age, and the Folk Radio you once loved
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Liberty & Justice 1640 AM & 87.9 FM
The Neighborhood Talk Alternative
Full spectrum information for Independent Thinkers
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Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:25:49 -0500 Message-Id: <8D1D2806EA59B53-1578-44900@webmail-m275.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:25:49 -0500 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe6f546d512d52cd X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.78 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Daytime All-Digital AM Could Be Authorized First X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=j3nAfGq_yiY4RArXhjJ58wH7ALpu_dZl4VFz-JyhtyN46YguKznX X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 From: Todd Roberts ----------MB_8D1D2806ED07425_1578_D86C7_webmail-m275.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" There are so many SDR Dongles to choose from plus many upconverters to make= one receive medium wave that I wouldn't know where to start. Plus you will need an appr= opriate antenna. Plus add the Sodira software for C Quam. By the time you have one working on medium= wave I'm not sure what the benefits are. Try searching through eHam.net for reviews on various dongles= . Mainly you get what you pay for. Funcube makes one called the Dongle Pro + that already tunes down below th= e broadcast band but not sure of the cost. So far I haven't heard anything much better or more sensitive than a modifi= ed Delco UX1 car radio for excellent AM Stereo but a good Dongle setup would be fun to play with a= nd possibly not too expensive minus the computer. 73 Todd WD4NGG -----Original Message----- From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Wed, Nov 19, 2014 9:03 am Subject: {AMSF} Re: Daytime All-Digital AM Could Be Authorized First =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Sodira - is that a software package that runs on an SDR? CQUAM is recovera= ble with that? What SDR dongle to you suggest for AM / MW reception? I'm guessing that an upconverter is required for MW/SW reception on this VH= F/UHF device? Thanks, John =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D1D2806ED07425_1578_D86C7_webmail-m275.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
There are so many SDR Dongles to choose from plus many upconverters to= make one receive
medium wave that I wouldn't know where to start. Plus you will need an= appropriate antenna. Plus add
the Sodira software for C Quam. By the time you have one working  = ;on medium wave I'm not sure what the
benefits are. Try searching through eHam.net for reviews on various do= ngles.  Mainly you get what you pay for.
Funcube makes one called the Dongle Pro + that already tunes down &nbs= p;below the broadcast band
but not sure of the cost.

So far I haven't heard anything much better or more sensitive than a m= odified Delco UX1 car radio
for excellent AM Stereo but a good Dongle setup would be fun to play w= ith and possibly not too
expensive minus the computer.

73 Todd WD4NGG


-----= Original Message-----
From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroup= s.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 19, 2014 9:03 am
Subject: {AMSF} Re: Daytime All-Digital AM Could Be Authorized First

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Sodira - is that a software package that runs on an SDR?  CQUAM i= s recoverable with that?
What SDR dongle to you suggest for AM / MW reception?
I'm guessing that an upconverter is required for MW/SW reception on th= is VHF/UHF device?
Thanks,
John
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Fri, 21 Nov 2014 03:10:23 -0500 Message-Id: <8D1D379BC0E115B-834-544A4@webmail-va174.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 03:10:23 -0500 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b0164546ef36f6dfb X-Originating-IP: 64.12.133.13 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Daytime All-Digital AM Could Be Authorized First X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=qdsRxq5mUqDzwz2cB-WJe4vPUMBqjnjibVMPlBBERjb5lGgWZZ9w X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 From: Todd Roberts ----------MB_8D1D379BC25DF25_834_10836A_webmail-va174.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" You may be able to avoid most of the noise coming from a computer by using= a receive antenna located outdoors away from the house. That is what I am doing here for quiet recept= ion with my different AM tuners sitting on a table next to my computer. I'm not sure how noisy an SDR dongl= e itself would be using it to demodulate an AM signal with a computer. It may be electrically quiet by it= self but the only way to know for sure would be to try one. I know several people who are getting go= od results using a more expensive stand-alone SDR like a Perseus with an outdoor antenna for quiet = AM reception. I have read some reports that using the SoDiRa software with an SDR to demo= dulate AM Stereo may add some unknown distortion to the signal. So again, you would have to try = it to know for sure. Someone posted a youtube video showing a Funcube Dongle Pro+ SDR receiving = an ASPISYS AM Stereo transmitter tuned to 1700kHz and using the SoDiRa software to rec= eive it in AM Stereo. This is with the transmitter sitting right next to the dongle. I don't know how quiet the do= ngle would be by itself receiving weak signals off the air. Check it out here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5VrBA9vd8wY 73 Todd WD4NGG -----Original Message----- From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 11:10 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Daytime All-Digital AM Could Be Authorized First =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 So, in other words, a good decent real-live AM radio with decent bandwidth = and Jeff Deck's or Chris Cuff's or Apisys' CQUAM Converter board is an much= better, easier and probably cheaper road to get decent CQUAM over screwing= around with a computer (RF noise-maker) and dongles and software and adapt= ers and the like. 73 John =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D1D379BC25DF25_834_10836A_webmail-va174.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
= You may be able to avoid most of the noise coming  from a computer by = using a receive antenna located
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So, in other words, a good decent real-live AM radio with decent bandw= idth and Jeff Deck's or Chris Cuff's or Apisys' CQUAM Converter board is an= much better, easier and probably cheaper road to get decent CQUAM over scr= ewing around with a computer (RF noise-maker) and dongles and software and = adapters and the like.
73
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X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.200 Subject: Re: {AMSF} He Loves That AM Stereo Light X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=VSh8oKdKvmwWphoTLEyE7M1sNhz59SuOBF8Xz7hzkpNdgKgv_1Y0 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Hi gang,
Now we are talking about stuff I understand.
 
Just shows you, when there is a will, there is a way.  Let's just hope the FM transmitter goes down.
 
Joe R.
 
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 at 4:08 PM
From: "timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {AMSF} He Loves That AM Stereo Light
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Here Are More AM Suggestions
 
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Skotdal: AM Band Needs Drastic Change
Thank You Kindly Now,

tj deshler
--1059988013-1092955603-1418007352=:77943-- From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Dec 08 05:11:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31171 invoked by uid 102); 8 Dec 2014 13:11:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2014 13:11:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32174 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2014 13:11:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (98.139.245.165) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2014 13:11:29 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([71.180.214.94]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NG900LN8LZ1MP20@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:11:29 -0600 (CST) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=F/vgrRlI c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=mUiDPxfLA9CIgaMmXvMvig==:117 a=pCEEPBC5g_IA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=x4De4qwaAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=7UvXS-df_IGnTuQ0y18A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=XF-qoRV8pLl_oYZ3zmcA:9 a=qHk8GimQ-KxMYQ1G:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=yHmpGuN2Kb8A:10 a=1GSbIA61q4gA:10 Message-id: <7E1FA32099DA4875AEE7E52AD4DEDDD0@RichardPC> To: References: <1418007352.77943.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1418007352.77943.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 08:11:24 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01D012BE.8F14B6D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Band Needs Drastic Change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 From: "Dick W." ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D012BE.8F14B6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very interesting article. However, it=E2=80=99s reminiscent of the discuss= ions that took place regarding AMAX radio, AM-Stereo (C-Quam & others), and= AM HD radio. The problem in the past was =E2=80=93 and continues to be = =E2=80=93 an industry that won=E2=80=99t support mandated receiver standard= s, and therefore has relied strictly on consumer market choices. Market ch= oices (in this case) are likely to hold off any medicine to the patient unt= il after the patient has died. If anyone in the AM industry is serious abo= ut effecting some kind of long-term remedy, they will need to consider mand= ated standards =E2=80=93 and that includes mandated AM receiver standards. = You can=E2=80=99t sell advertising when your signal broadcasts out into a = empty vacuum. Dick W. From: mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 9:55 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: {AMSF} AM Band Needs Drastic Change =20=20 Skotdal: AM Band Needs Drastic Change=20 http://www.radioworld.com/article/skotdal-am-band-needs-drastic-change/2735= 66 The Future of Car Radio=20 http://www.radioworld.com/article/the-future-of-car-radio--/273612 =20 Thank You Kindly Now,=20 tj deshler ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D012BE.8F14B6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Very interesting article.  However, it=E2=80=99s reminiscent of t= he=20 discussions that took place regarding AMAX radio, AM-Stereo (C-Quam &=20 others), and AM HD radio.  The problem in the past was =E2=80=93 and c= ontinues to=20 be =E2=80=93 an industry that won=E2=80=99t support mandated receiver stand= ards, and therefore=20 has relied strictly on consumer market choices.  Market choices (in th= is=20 case) are likely to hold off any medicine to the patient until after the pa= tient=20 has died.  If anyone in the AM industry is serious about effecting som= e=20 kind of long-term remedy, they will need to consider mandated standards =E2= =80=93 and=20 that includes mandated AM receiver standards.  You can=E2=80=99t sell = advertising=20 when your signal broadcasts out into a empty vacuum.
 
Dick W.
 
 
 
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Skotdal: AM Band Needs= Drastic=20 Change
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=ddshNTs13p_832NmnqI8n_aOjC6lsHe1xUT7Dp6sUA8jasxuxmM8 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 From: Todd Roberts ----------MB_8D1FC97F71D1A04_794_2D1AF2_webmail-vm019.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I think he is talking about the bandwidth of the station, France Bleu, not = the=20 receiving setup. I think European MW stations are limited to about 6 kHz au= dio bandwidth, not 10 kHz like here in the U.S. The SoDiRa software can be set to plenty wide bandwidth, perhaps 30 kHz or more. The main limitation is the station itself. 73 - Todd WD4NGG -----Original Message----- From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 9:25 am Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sodira SDR program has c-qaum decoder... =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Why is the bandwidth so poor? Does different SDR units have different BW? = Can you get SDR with a 7-10KHz audio BW? =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ----------MB_8D1FC97F71D1A04_794_2D1AF2_webmail-vm019.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
I think he is talking about= the bandwidth of the station, France Bleu, not the 
receiving setup. I think European MW stations are limited to about 6 k= Hz audio
bandwidth, not 10 kHz like here in the U.S.

The SoDiRa software can be set to plenty wide bandwidth, perhaps 30 kH= z
or more. The main limitation is the station itself.

73 - Todd WD4NGG


-----= Original Message-----
From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroup= s.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 9:25 am
Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sodira SDR program has c-qaum decoder...

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Why is the bandwidth so poor? Does different SDR units have different= BW? Can you get SDR with a 7-10KHz audio BW?
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----------MB_8D1FC97F71D1A04_794_2D1AF2_webmail-vm019.sysops.aol.com-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jan 12 15:35:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1446 invoked by uid 102); 12 Jan 2015 23:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2015 23:35:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17247 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2015 23:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-la0-f48.google.com) (98.139.170.167) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2015 23:35:16 -0000 X-Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id gf13so26714645lab.7 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:35:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.5.67 with SMTP id q3mr39240791laq.73.1421105715035; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:35:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.25.38.194 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:35:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8D1FC97F70ED1DC-794-DCF16@webmail-vm019.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D1FC97F70ED1DC-794-DCF16@webmail-vm019.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:35:14 +0800 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d17345544a2050c7cf57a X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.48 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sodira SDR program has c-qaum decoder... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=HbWi8qQiHYT5weIBAXxtuY3imahFnxOXAiVhGMICQkVEHvF3 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --089e013d17345544a2050c7cf57a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Spot on Todd. I listened to France Bleu while visiting Paris in 2010. The station has a limited frequency response. It is the only stereo Am I have heard directly through a radio. On Tuesday, 13 January 2015, Todd Roberts toddroberts2001@aol.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > I think he is talking about the bandwidth of the station, France Bleu, > not the > receiving setup. I think European MW stations are limited to about 6 kHz > audio > bandwidth, not 10 kHz like here in the U.S. > > The SoDiRa software can be set to plenty wide bandwidth, perhaps 30 kHz > or more. The main limitation is the station itself. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > -----Original Message----- > From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com > > [amstereoforum] > > To: amstereoforum > > Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 9:25 am > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sodira SDR program has c-qaum decoder... > > > Why is the bandwidth so poor? Does different SDR units have different > BW? Can you get SDR with a 7-10KHz audio BW? > >=20=20 > --089e013d17345544a2050c7cf57a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Spot on Todd.

I listened to France Bleu while visiting P= aris in 2010. The station has a =C2=A0limited frequency response. It is the= only stereo Am I have heard directly through a radio.

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On Tuesday, 13 January 2015, Todd Roberts toddroberts2001@aol.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> = wrote:
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I think he is talking about the bandwi= dth of the station, France Bleu, not the=C2=A0
receiving setup. I think European MW stations are limited to about 6 k= Hz audio
bandwidth, not 10 kHz like here in the U.S.

The SoDiRa software can be set to plenty wide bandwidth, perhaps 30 kH= z
or more. The main limitation is the station itself.

73 - Todd WD4NGG


-----= Original Message-----
From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereofor= um] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com&= gt;
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoog= roups.com>
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Hi Gang  Its been 40 years sense the first report that I had herd about on AM STEREO coming to the AM band on Country Music KRAK AM 1140 Sacramento Ca now CBS SPORTS KHTK AM 1140. Thank you FCC!!!  What a bunch of DUNG!!!! Jim Smith  Loomis Ca
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=mHabzVwyrRuYw17zCByfysm6L3lrK1pzM8R1qn0KyUJAR2RmpleTEvWAIC9HWk6C9zIwySSo X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith ---137486945-1500871548-1421725880=:31850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi And thanks to the FCC look wair those stations are now over the last 40= years. Jim Smith=20 On Monday, January 19, 2015 8:01 AM, "toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereofor= um]" wrote: =20=20 =20=20 I found a CD that I made in 2000 from cassette recordings of early AM stere= o; one included using two separate radios to try to decode Kahn stereo from= WSPD - AND it included an interview with Leonard Kahn! Separation was min= imal with a lot of distortion from tuning off-frequency to try to get USB a= nd LSB. Also have a recording of CKLW signing-off to install their Harris AM stereo= and my homebrew MC13020 board receiving CKLW with the first stereo sportsc= ast of a Pistons basketball game in stereo. Also, skywave stereo from WHAS and WSM. Sounded damn good for being severa= l hundred miles away in stereo. It's amazing how good those 50KW stations sounded at night with music in st= ereo. Wish I could go in a time machine again. 73 John =20=20 =20 ---137486945-1500871548-1421725880=:31850 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi  And thanks to the FCC look wair those sta= tions are now over the last 40 years. Jim Smith


On Monday, January 19, 2015 8:01 AM, "toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstere= oforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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I found a CD that I made in 2000 from cassette recordings of ear= ly AM stereo; one included using two separate radios to try to decode Kahn = stereo from WSPD - AND it included an interview with Leonard Kahn!  Se= paration was minimal with a lot of distortion from tuning off-frequency to = try to get USB and LSB.

Also have a= recording of CKLW signing-off to install their Harris AM stereo and my hom= ebrew MC13020 board receiving CKLW with the first stereo sportscast of a Pi= stons basketball game in stereo.

Al= so, skywave stereo from WHAS and WSM.  Sounded damn good for being sev= eral hundred miles away in stereo.

= It's amazing how good those 50KW stations sounded at night with music in st= ereo. Wish I could go in a time machine again.
73
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File : /The_Wings_-_Uncle_Albert.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : via skywave from WBLQ Westerly, RI in Verdun, Montreal, Quebec, Canada on a 2nd floor concrete building near a southward facing window... Am I hallucinating or Motorola C-QUAM really breaks out OCCASIONALLY on the 1230 1240 1340 1400 1450 1490 kHz channels ? Or is Kahn-Hazeltine better for graveyard DXing ? Anyway, heard on a Sony CFS 6000 with PK passive loop in the neighborhood of the ferrite bar ! 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File : /mp3-usa/Heatwave_-_Boogie_Night.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : My favorite disco song from late 1976 / early 1977 as airchecked from Hometown Radio 1340 Stereo WIRY Plattsburgh, NY in Pierrefonds, Montreal West Island, Quebec, Canada on a Sony CFS 6000 C90 Maxell tape from that same boombox and passive tunable Australian PK fringe AM loop phased against the Sony CFS 6000... Look at the switch between the Wide and narrower AM filters... This recording is almost as impressive as the WBLQ ones ! Is WBLQ audible in stereo in Montreal or am I hallucinating at some point ? But, back to WIRY...and good listen, folks !!! You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/Heatwave_-_Boogie_Night.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, bogdanchiochiu From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 25 00:56:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13876 invoked by uid 102); 25 Feb 2015 08:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2015 08:56:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4939 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2015 08:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm38-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.81) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2015 08:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm38.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2015 08:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm38.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2015 08:53:29 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.170] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2015 08:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.245] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2015 08:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2015 08:51:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 235168.39231.bm@omp1016.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 41823 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2015 08:51:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: W9ZqTTcVM1lsq50juwbxijV54up3FuDe6xOR1XyHPBQ6XMt JIuq_6TTy0UmknQOYyyRkDdP2EzuIs0ucrkWQJbYeD8o8_GaObnY.tmP0XxS NVrBRmZXA4afK8QRXI5KsZG3TH4MkDKxxSheX6OWvC.S082IkUeRQj0VPKX6 DNRO.VXjWVi86luQ3Fjo30f1hU0_lUKCCIM2Yw2dLCs3WpstkfcD4_LtrTKl zATB.xoQxLIrZHc2n16VbmMj7iRW4.iphoWCVrPwE0FtZZZhcdBhr_YgEVYM e5cKLOFMGmWWby32cgBOalmWNm6xeIZZdXOQ7V0IjKpBZrt1kvpHBGPS_Hbg 5Qh716smJuxPPqkXfYLTq9RvcLbVYBnTyiy6n4eyNWHBb2SMcKOiM9OBVrMH KfS1jEVCi4iPGMOQWCZRwXvT4WUjiDK_qotQbjxecEH6.XpdlvW.8aqUnKvf h2_.nIYR4_uOK5JPkZlaQRGjVhk.ZfWePODyUTpZDzo0MjH3tiWLIKkIPBTN woGjFqUgdCIMe2ZWbtXuiMPN97ucNj8BskD5bFCZpkcxowudvtNM.f2UbeLV JIrkBJ4eTolFS7PwA.2Xursz0emnuCZNda9uPdSmLouuTQUECqDsz X-Received: from [238.207.27.209] by web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 00:51:57 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SGkgR2FuZyAgICBJIHdhcyB3b25kZXIgaWYgdGhpcyBpcyBwb3NzaWJsZS4gV2hhdCBpZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSB0d28gZGlmZmVyYW50IHRvd2VycyBhbmQgIG9uZSB0cmFuYXNtaXR0ZXIgb25lIGVhY2ggYW5kIG9uZSB3YXMgQU0gSEQgb25seSBhbmQgb25lIHdhcyBDLVFVQU0gb25seT8gRG8geW91IGd1eXMgdGhpbmsgdGhhdCB3b3VsZCB3b3JrIGZvciBBTSBIRCBhbmQgQy1RdUFNIGF0IHRoZSBzYW1lIHRpbWU_IEp1c3Qgd29uZGVyaW5nIGlmIHRoYXQgd291bGQgd29yaz8gTm8gZW5naW5lZXIgIGhlcmUganUBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.203.740 Message-ID: <1424854317.95848.YahooMailNeo@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 00:51:57 -0800 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-652553128-274252497-1424854317=:95848" X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.151 Reply-To: jim smith Subject: I wonder if this is possable? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=8_IJNnqoxpCK96fXNRnPJH4ygkMnb4AWJUC3CIi-7q_jvDpR0vGnU5hvYBh12obden-5eeQt X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith ---652553128-274252497-1424854317=:95848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Gang I was wonder if this is possible. What if you have two differant towers and one tranasmitter one each and one was AM HD only and one was C-QUAM only? Do you guys think that would work for AM HD and C-QuAM at the same time? Just wondering if that would work? No engineer here just wondering in chase they push AM HD hard. Jim Smith ---652553128-274252497-1424854317=:95848 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi Gang    I was wonder if this is possible. What if you have two differant towers and  one tranasmitter one each and one was AM HD only and one was C-QUAM only? Do you guys think that would work for AM HD and C-QuAM at the same time? Just wondering if that would work? No engineer  here just wondering in chase they push AM HD hard. Jim Smith
---652553128-274252497-1424854317=:95848-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Feb 25 01:08:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23186 invoked by uid 102); 25 Feb 2015 09:08:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2015 09:08:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11336 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2015 09:08:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-la0-f44.google.com) (98.139.245.165) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2015 09:08:37 -0000 X-Received: by lams18 with SMTP id s18so2406864lam.13 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 01:08:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.12.134 with SMTP id y6mr1962587lbb.34.1424855316040; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 01:08:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.25.23.222 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 01:08:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1424854317.95848.YahooMailNeo@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1424854317.95848.YahooMailNeo@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:08:35 +0800 Message-ID: To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3a0e8f8123d050fe5fab2 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.44 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I wonder if this is possable? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=6zi5J3XaMh3uSOAv8ChePG5D70HRemVozKBsg5TE2Qyoorws X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --001a11c3a0e8f8123d050fe5fab2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, do you mean on the same frequency? If so, then it is not practical because the two signals will add and cancel with each other depending on where you are. You will also still hear the hash from the HD transmitter when listening with a CQUAM receiver. On 25 February 2015 at 16:51, jim smith jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > Hi Gang I was wonder if this is possible. What if you have two > differant towers and one tranasmitter one each and one was AM HD only an= d > one was C-QUAM only? Do you guys think that would work for AM HD and C-Qu= AM > at the same time? Just wondering if that would work? No engineer here ju= st > wondering in chase they push AM HD hard. Jim Smith > >=20=20 > --001a11c3a0e8f8123d050fe5fab2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jim,

do you mean on the same frequen= cy? If so, then it is not practical because the two signals will add and ca= ncel with each other depending on where you are. You will also still hear t= he hash from the HD transmitter when listening with a CQUAM receiver.
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On 25 Febru= ary 2015 at 16:51, jim smith jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] <amstereoforu= m@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Hi Gang=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I was=C2=A0wonder if this is possibl= e. What if=C2=A0you have two differant towers and=C2=A0 one tranasmitter on= e each and one was AM HD only=C2=A0and one was C-QUAM only? Do you guys thi= nk that would work for AM HD and C-QuAM at the same time? Just wondering if= that would work? No engineer=C2=A0 here just wondering in chase they push = AM HD hard. Jim Smith

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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=C162AoStIwmt6hpGeakxGe4wnkF0cqc3fQBhY11yuXp8YjtNRvAPfz0L2RQn3Ay7ZEyh_ZZA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith --1931235808-1069698089-1424922126=:53830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dan Oh!!!! Well I said I wasn't a engineer. And yes on same freq. Jim= Smith=20 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:08 AM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gmail.= com [amstereoforum]" wrote: =20=20 =20=20 Hi Jim, do you mean on the same frequency? If so, then it is not practical because = the two signals will add and cancel with each other depending on where you = are. You will also still hear the hash from the HD transmitter when listeni= ng with a CQUAM receiver. On 25 February 2015 at 16:51, jim smith jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [amster= eoforum] wrote: =20 >=20=20 >Hi Gang I was wonder if this is possible. What if you have two differan= t towers and one tranasmitter one each and one was AM HD only and one was = C-QUAM only? Do you guys think that would work for AM HD and C-QuAM at the = same time? Just wondering if that would work? No engineer here just wonder= ing in chase they push AM HD hard. Jim Smith=20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20 --1931235808-1069698089-1424922126=:53830 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dan   Oh!!!! Well I said I wasn't&nbs= p; a engineer. And yes on same freq. Jim Smith


On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:08 AM, "Daniel Piccoli piccoli.dan@gma= il.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
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do you mea= n on the same frequency? If so, then it is not practical because the two si= gnals will add and cancel with each other depending on where you are. You w= ill also still hear the hash from the HD transmitter when listening with a = CQUAM receiver.

On 25 February 2015 at 16:51= , jim smith jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] <= ;a= mstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Hi Gang    I was&nb= sp;wonder if this is possible. What if you have two differant towers a= nd  one tranasmitter one each and one was AM HD only and one was = C-QUAM only? Do you guys think that would work for AM HD and C-QuAM at the = same time? Just wondering if that would work? No engineer  here just w= ondering in chase they push AM HD hard. Jim Smith
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File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_playing_a_late_50s_very_early_st_rec.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : recorded about a mile south of my Pierrefonds QTH in Springarden (DDO) daytime groundwave DX using this time the Sony SRF A1 PK ! 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On Apr 5, 2015, a= t 5:25 PM, jimsmi= th95650@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:=

I herd fr= om three broadcasters that sense there is no new AM STEREO radios= why put the AM STEREO signal on the air. 



You may want to inform those = broadcasters that most, if not all radios that will pick up AM HDRadio will= also pick up Analog C-QUAM AM Stereo.


73,
Kevin Raper
KJ4HYD
CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ

There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathe= matical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard= Kahn



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And I can't remember = the last one. Beleave me I have tried=C2=A0 but with negative results .The = big problem is that AM STEREO radios aren't=C2=A0 mass made like FM STEREO = radios are. Jim S=20 On Sunday, April 5, 2015 2:31 PM, "Kevin Raper kj4hyd@gmail.com [amste= reoforum]" wrote: =20=20=20 =C2=A0=20=20=20 On Apr 5, 2015, at 5:25 PM, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] wrote: I herd from three broadcasters that sense there is=C2=A0no new=C2=A0AM STER= EO radios why put the AM STEREO signal on the air.=C2=A0 You may want to inform those broadcasters that most, if not all radios that= will pick up AM HDRadio will also pick up Analog C-QUAM AM Stereo. 73,Kevin RaperKJ4HYDCE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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On Apr 5, 2015, at 5:25 PM, jimsmith95650= @sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] <amstereof= orum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



You may want to inform those broadcasters that most, i= f not all radios that will pick up AM HDRadio will also pick up Analog C-QU= AM AM Stereo.


73,
Kevin Raper
KJ4HYD
CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ

There is no = limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM = does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn



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File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_-_Steve_Miller_Band_-_Fly_Like_An_Eagle_-_1977.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : WIRY 1340 kHz Plattsburgh playing Flying Like an Eagle by Steve Miller Band on a CFS 6000 PK combo in Pointe-aux-Trembles MTL my best Hi-Fi AM radio reception in Pointe-aux-Trembles yet ! You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_-_Steve_Miller_Band_-_Fly_Like_An_Eagle_-_1977.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, bogdanchiochiu From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 14 23:27:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4426 invoked by uid 102); 15 Apr 2015 06:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2015 06:27:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29015 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2015 06:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.83) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2015 06:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.100.102] by nm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2015 06:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.164] by tm101.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2015 06:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2015 06:27:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 967426.18291.bm@omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: G3BL0aQVM1k7i3VZrws8DTRoc84tSFYeAheM_1tFyjxJxuevVCBKe8djp6O7Q1T xD0EIwbnc7tGrYPY3uZhy9t7PtKUuwtHpWTJxgmlZtzK8EjsiQdNLOb9Vxb3T6AS50tHz5D.zOeJ OLhHohjiBRIY5tepBKeWC4DYN9xD8DFU.ZlQEex4I0bwEEhIZlzuhcFsqHb8TZe1EZBLQd__bemb Tt.IP_oYgtnKryp98jEQnUnl33f3C.PbDjlKUic_X0wmsD5SWmdWsbx1OYLt_GeQ24BGwqMhTDOZ 7zUZks95hG1lxdkqJzl4f85IOys7fGiGbH_mWOLjT5xXFajTtqgauJVqVhnRZ7jSwHn2wkdfAFcX lI09VPxUicGmlgFHT2ox0O4d.7JOwmQi.pyEuXhYhW2XsaobmRcsagRTmTg1lAwbTxidKlteO1y0 wG_2ixyU2FkPGO3J1FwbFh.xACZFCfH0ExWc2xffBJ64zcJTK0YS9lY4ulCcfklARhmm4T15ouZV At.2J3vK28h5Q84vj7zg4_MqfSmRcYYTFDKoGH8J8zVR66AyUsHj3uZeoI7_CHug3W16vRw-- X-Received: by 98.138.105.215; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 06:27:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 06:26:41 +0000 (UTC) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: <1151247238.3320564.1429079201768.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3320563_1116116616.1429079201766" Content-Length: 1150 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.224 Reply-To: jim smith Subject: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=tWc0L5DKChupqbkWifP2An3lXd_vu_4SxntkeYHl5xbXQS_EqoUNXygzarvBSnoN7v-MiA9E X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith ------=_Part_3320563_1116116616.1429079201766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang=C2=A0=C2=A0 I had saw some thing that mite interest some of you. 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Hi Gang   I had saw some thing that mite interest some of you. Its the Tertronix T5G4100A signal generator   its upgradealbe so it can do Digital radio and Cellar modgilation  its 12LBS starting at $7,800.   I though some of you mite like some thing like this. Jim Smith
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I'd like the $7800 to buy it, but would rather help a station get their CQUAM back on the air.
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Maybe some mite come back in my area. One of the best sounding= =C2=A0stations =C2=A0I have herd was now dark KHWY AM STEREO 1030 Folsom Ca= .=C2=A0 That station was loud and wide before the cut from 15khz to 10khz. = To me that sucked and I don't think it helped AM STEREO at all. Jim Smith L= oomis Ca=20 On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 8:43 AM, "John toledohamradio@yahoo.com [= amstereoforum]" wrote: =20=20=20 =C2=A0 I'd like the $7800 to buy it, but would rather help a station ge= t their CQUAM back on the air. #yiv8877708706 #yiv8877708706 -- #yiv887770= 8706ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padd= ing:0 10px;}#yiv8877708706 #yiv8877708706ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d= 8d8;}#yiv8877708706 #yiv8877708706ygrp-mkp #yiv8877708706hd {color:#628c2a;= font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv887770870= 6 #yiv8877708706ygrp-mkp #yiv8877708706ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv8877708= 706 #yiv8877708706ygrp-mkp .yiv8877708706ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv8877708706 #y= iv8877708706ygrp-mkp .yiv8877708706ad p {margin:0;}#yiv8877708706 #yiv88777= 08706ygrp-mkp .yiv8877708706ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8= 877708706 #yiv8877708706ygrp-sponsor #yiv8877708706ygrp-lc {font-family:Ari= al;}#yiv8877708706 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Hi John  That's very cool!!!&n= bsp; The more the better as far as I am consernd . Maybe some mite come bac= k in my area. One of the best sounding stations  I have herd was = now dark KHWY AM STEREO 1030 Folsom Ca.  That station was loud and wid= e before the cut from 15khz to 10khz. To me that sucked and I don't think i= t helped AM STEREO at all. Jim Smith Loomis Ca



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------=_Part_4132640_935677889.1429164899289-- From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 22 05:04:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15591 invoked by uid 102); 22 Apr 2015 12:04:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2015 12:04:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26338 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2015 12:04:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm30-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.100.120) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2015 12:04:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.100.116] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2015 12:04:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.175] by tm107.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2015 12:04:44 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2015 12:04:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 481206.78592.bm@omp1031.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: KZ98h6gVM1nESeqmJzcoAznZTk6XSSpBrj0s1tk0kNJ39wvtn0FIPglDASuDy8Z b3MDAIWisuGpevudo6.RYrqQve2nhu8BFnreDs5l8YE24jHSqE7hi3kC0wYVtjokHsedYWgB28rJ IBMTgajdS5Sp3kU611VT4oZuZwzIIea6zsCKz2yuEqFWakvKsfiHxC4m6gUmc44L0SiHeldkB3Iw j8W8CA3pAyxyxal5qhyxFlUiY3y8cMizvmAK5Ae18OigE0cgf5gEYvTuras6E4qZ1bYUm9sTWCmK A50KeCIVgkwIvLL4GqaNsW1xw5cCl0MfJjjiNjp6KIT4ktr7aCRRwX8LEgx.4CsNQQbae6QaJzR6 ZBpnxAxQT4oPYuV7mV02sAvNlj2jiMWf5dpas821CxGf98FI51ZfIxLJPZuSJ2hpBohWaFerAYmI oAiFYfrUoxZ5Js7V25BVJxF4tuLXh3.5ceideP1G1nmw3geEh62o_.GaXGQ_vUvft3F35oN3UYQX WulSXAKGfzPzy1vU3mfYpLRmrStaE23QU3AJtO23bAeH1KWBBDLr8HxqzPUHynTARL5w- X-Received: by 98.138.105.213; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:04:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:04:43 +0000 (UTC) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: <1098791322.1942921.1429704283678.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1942920_1693509519.1429704283676" Content-Length: 1215 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.46 Reply-To: jim smith Subject: "KYET AM STEREO 1170" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ksAor0UQwvRJ-lLROw0VFJY_Nm5QO1-NKdJdCeCCB7S-lbWRQoML6ONh9k-HNsiyud1s4SYy X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith ------=_Part_1942920_1693509519.1429704283676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C2=A0 Hi GANG=C2=A0 I got to hear the first AM STEREO broadcast in a long= time. It is " KYET AM STEREO 1170" They are a classic country station witc= h I happen to like a lot. Radio Locator=C2=A0 says that they broadcast at= =C2=A0 6,000 kw day and 1 watt at night. I think they are pushing 6,000 kw = night right now. Jim Smith Loomis Ca ------=_Part_1942920_1693509519.1429704283676 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  Hi GANG  I got to hear the first AM STEREO broadcast in a long time. It is " KYET AM STEREO 1170" They are a classic country station witch I happen to like a lot. Radio Locator  says that they broadcast at  6,000 kw day and 1 watt at night. I think they are pushing 6,000 kw night right now. Jim Smith Loomis Ca
------=_Part_1942920_1693509519.1429704283676-- From matt-44@hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 22 12:45:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt-44@hotmail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13052 invoked by uid 102); 22 Apr 2015 19:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2015 19:45:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12615 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2015 19:45:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO DUB004-OMC4S29.hotmail.com) (98.139.245.165) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2015 19:45:15 -0000 X-Received: from DUB126-W58 ([157.55.2.72]) by DUB004-OMC4S29.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:45:14 -0700 X-TMN: [Pb4jksk7DzvwHO78zXKHqDHx0rAi6LPc] X-Originating-Email: [matt-44@hotmail.co.uk] Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: matt-44@hotmail.co.uk Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1d0f22c0-c821-40ca-af8d-942cfe77ab96_" To: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:45:14 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1098791322.1942921.1429704283678.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1098791322.1942921.1429704283678.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2015 19:45:14.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA683C20:01D07D34] X-Originating-IP: 157.55.2.104 Subject: RE: {AMSF} "KYET AM STEREO 1170" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=555118512; y=VW-j0mepgMR9Jd2mPwzANtBlaapisARfx_-C2zHjOUKZ6YLT X-Yahoo-Profile: mattdx538 From: "Matt ." --_1d0f22c0-c821-40ca-af8d-942cfe77ab96_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I noticed this on my trip to the USA and I never understood the point of 1 = or 10 watts at night time, you're either swamped by skywave or side splatte= r=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:04:43 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} "KYET AM STEREO 1170" =20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi GANG I got to hear the first AM STEREO broadcast in a long tim= e. It is " KYET AM STEREO 1170" They are a classic country station witch I = happen to like a lot. Radio Locator says that they broadcast at 6,000 kw = day and 1 watt at night. I think they are pushing 6,000 kw night right now.= Jim Smith Loomis Ca =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 --_1d0f22c0-c821-40ca-af8d-942cfe77ab96_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I noticed this on my trip to the= USA and I never understood the point of 1 or 10 watts at night time, you&#= 39;re either swamped by skywave or side splatter

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  Hi GANG  I got to hear the first AM STEREO broadcast in a l= ong time. It is " KYET AM STEREO 1170" They are a classic country= station witch I happen to like a lot. Radio Locator  says that they b= roadcast at  6,000 kw day and 1 watt at night. I think they are pushin= g 6,000 kw night right now. Jim Smith Loomis Ca

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boundary="----=_Part_4040897_1944795721.1429920969966" Content-Length: 1058 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.34 Reply-To: jim smith Subject: Simulcasting AM and FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=XpNki8ApzQD9-kK1eG2Md1vQ1Wg34lS5Uog2LyeEIrKIMW2WP665F7rQfSjBU8D39kc-o-WO X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith ------=_Part_4040897_1944795721.1429920969966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang=C2=A0 I still think simulcasting=C2=A0 AM stations on LPFMs are no= t=C2=A0good. I still think all that will do is help the migration from AM t= o FM=C2=A0 up the power on the FM and than=C2=A0turn off the AM. Not good f= or AM. My look at it. Jim Smith ------=_Part_4040897_1944795721.1429920969966 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Gang  I still think simulcasting  AM stations on LPFMs are not good. I still think all that will do is help the migration from AM to FM  up the power on the FM and than turn off the AM. Not good for AM. My look at it. Jim Smith
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Six years after the shutdown of its medium-wave service, RT= =C3=89 announced the closure of its longwave service, now postponed until 2= 017
Save R= TE longwave radio
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Why RT=C3=89=E2=80=99s longwave closure matters
<= div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1431824928498_3435" dir=3D"ltr">RT=C3=89 accused of = =E2=80=98ignoring Diaspora=E2=80=99 with longwave radio axe


 
Than= k You Kindly Now,

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Hi Gang  Well it looks  the FCC wants AM stations to move to FM and than shut down the AM stations. How is that improving the AM band. The FCC also wants all AM HD radio before the AM band is killed off. Like normal from the FCC very disappointing . Jim Smith
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Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:15:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:15:52 +0000 (UTC) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: <171967665.1147220.1436904952404.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1147219_1478859230.1436904952394" Content-Length: 20806 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.81 Reply-To: Peter Miller Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_{AMSF}_Re:_Why_you_can=E2=80=99t?= =?UTF-8?Q?_get_AM_Radio_in_your_BMW_i3?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=344441525; y=2dP3scvuZI8-YRW3C0ZA6Xylu70s2F1S7BhJ7IB8tqZYqGqW3qdbgyv48VTYtA X-Yahoo-Profile: w1amj@sbcglobal.net From: Peter Miller ------=_Part_1147219_1478859230.1436904952394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As much as I am an AM radio fan, it would have no bearing on my choice of a= vehicle. 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As much as I am an AM radio fan, it= would have no bearing on my choice of a vehicle. If I really wanted an ele= ctric BMW without AM, that'd be fine. There are enough other sources of inf= ormation without AM being essential in a car.



On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:50 PM, "toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amste= reoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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So you buy an all-electric Nissan Leaf instead, which DOES have = a working AM radio!
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I love the idea of electric cars and would love to see the= m evolve.

However, AM interference is an indicator of el= ectrical noise, which is a worry in terms of health aspects. Research on th= e effect of electrical interference is inconclusive but can be a concern de= pending on who you speak to. I would like to be shielded from a majority of= the electrical noise while driving and also to be able to listen to AM.

On 15 Ju= ly 2015 at 04:15, Peter Miller w1amj= @sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.= com> wrote:
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As much as I am an AM radio fan, it would ha= ve no bearing on my choice of a vehicle. If I really wanted an electric BMW= without AM, that'd be fine. There are enough other sources of informat= ion without AM being essential in a car.


On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:50 PM, "toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum= ]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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So you buy an all-electric Nissan Leaf instead, which DOES have = a working AM radio!
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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Electric cars are lower maintenance in general toledo. No fuel delivery, timing, ignition or mixing of air and fuel. Most models also have only one gear for all speeds. Also, the batteries are recyclable apparently. On 15 July 2015 at 20:53, toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > OT: That is a valid concern - if there is that much RF being generated > INSIDE a metal cage (car body) and you are INSIDE that metal enclosure, > then you are being bombarded by RF - not a healthy thing; ie: cancer. > > > As far as a power plant goes, I have a friend who has solar panels on his > roof to charge his Leaf - he makes more power than the car needs, so he > sells surplus power back to PG&E; however, the battery recycling is my on= ly > remaining concern. > > > In a related vein, XYL blew a head gasket on her car yesterday - talk > about expensive - I think it would be cheaper to get another whole engine > than to try to get it repaired - do electric cars have an equivalent > expensive catastrophic point of failure like a blown gasket or transmissi= on > failure? 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Electric cars are lower maintenance in general toledo. No = fuel delivery, timing, ignition or mixing of air and fuel. Most models also= have only one gear for all speeds. Also, the batteries are recyclable appa= rently.

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OT: That is a valid concern - if there is that much RF bein= g generated INSIDE a metal cage (car body) and you are INSIDE that metal en= closure, then you are being bombarded by RF - not a healthy thing; ie: canc= er.


As far as a power plant goes, I have a friend who has = solar panels on his roof to charge his Leaf - he makes more power than the = car needs, so he sells surplus power back to PG&E; however, the battery= recycling is my only remaining concern.


In a related vein= , XYL blew a head gasket on her car yesterday - talk about expensive - I th= ink it would be cheaper to get another whole engine than to try to get it r= epaired - do electric cars have an equivalent expensive catastrophic point = of failure like a blown gasket or transmission failure? (at least radio sti= ll works)

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My copy burned up in a house fire=E2=80= =A6 And now I am putting an AM Stereo Part 15 station playing Oldies. Thanks in advance, 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn --Apple-Mail=_B582B0BF-1203-42FC-B377-FE71C43752B0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Does anybody still= have a copy of the Rare Stereo mixes of Oldies Music that was posted here = a few Years ago? My copy burned up in a house fire=E2=80=A6 And now I am pu= tting an AM Stereo Part 15 station playing Oldies.


Thanks in = advance,


73,
Kevin Raper
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=NtYy13KufEhMIz9tpiZq-dE9PmUj2phZQcQ6boQaromKD5tF X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 From: keith beesley ------=_Part_8793553_1280158055.1440302096656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a word, no, but it may be a sign AM-HD is dead. KFI only turned off thei= r AM digital signal. They haven't left AM entirely.=20 Regards,=20 Keith BeesleySeattle WA =20 On Saturday, August 22, 2015 10:27 AM, "timothy deshler tjdeshler@yaho= o.com [amstereoforum]" wrote: =20=20=20 =20 http://www.dailynews. com/arts-and-entertainment/20150812/is-kfi-switch-a-s= ign-am-radio-is-really-dead Is KFI switch a sign AM radio is really dead? | =C2=A0 | | =C2=A0 | | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | | Is KFI switch a sign AM radio is really dead?At 9 a.m. Monday, KFI (640 A= M) made the switch to the FM band, at least through the magic of digital HD= radio. KLAC (570 AM) did the same.It=E2=80=99s not really anything ... | | | | View on www.dailynews.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0Thank You Kindly Now,=20 t j deshler =20=20 ------=_Part_8793553_1280158055.1440302096656 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a word, no, but it may be a sign AM-HD is= dead. KFI only turned off their AM digital signal. They haven't left AM en= tirely.

Regards,
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Keith Beesley
Seattle WA



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Em Sexta-feira, 21 de Agosto de = 2015 22:54, "amstereofan@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoo= groups.com> escreveu:


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HI all, with the news that France Bleu along with all other AM stations clo= sing in France at the end of the year I am wondering where the ams files ar= e now ?

France Bleu on 864 khz is currently in mono btw, this may o= r not be a technical issue but with the imminent closure I doubt any repair= will be done now :(

Dave
UK







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Hi  You mite try to get in con= tact with Kevin T. for that off board.  I had saw some thing on C- Spa= n that mite be every good for our side.   KFBK AM 1530's HD has b= een off  for about a week now. That mite be a sine of things to come o= n the AM band. I am not holding my breath but all i can say wait and s= ee. Jim Smith



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I expected a sensible reply but not even one hmm...an= yway good news is that France Blue is actually still in stereo after all...=

Come on guys where has the am ster= eo files list gone to please ?
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=dk9tPzIqP2m8HO5NXGjrnXedab9Uc4oTCeYM8KlHgeo02bTNpgjkdNPWVSXdVWAhRkHXHoSX X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith ------=_Part_1978861_1426598527.1440728810532 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Again=C2=A0=C2=A0 If that's the case, I would contact Yahoo and see if t= hey can fix it. 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a very small number of = people on some linux boards expressed concern that this would make it illeg= al to flash your router with dd-wrt, i kinda read thru the doc but didnt se= e it clearly but it could be section 29. but it does seem to relax Declarat= ion of Conformity (DoC) requirements. some parts could be read as loopholes= for cheap electronic dumping? Is spectrum noise about to get worse? not an= expert in reading leaglese
 
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I thought even Malaysia and Thailand had AMS stations back then too?
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73

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Sun, 18 Oct 2015 00:27:48 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 00:27:48 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Message-ID: <1968879871.2095514.1445128068158.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2095513_2018149191.1445128068147" References: <1968879871.2095514.1445128068158.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Length: 30347 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.82 Reply-To: timothy deshler Subject: fyi channl 5 myth etc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195264138; y=It7OsZ1l_V7GfP0JR7KDgPI_auPM53wd55IkrndpgGeyiI9q X-Yahoo-Profile: tjdeshler From: timothy deshler ------=_Part_2095513_2018149191.1445128068147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Myth of Channel 6 http://www.radiomagonline.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 com/deep-dig/0005/the-my= th-of-channel-6/37040http://www.radiomagonline.com/deep-dig/0005/the-myth-o= f-channel-6/37040=C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | | =C2=A0 | | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | | The Myth of Channel 6Former VHF TV channels have no intrinsic value for = =E2=80=9Cmobile=E2=80=9D communications | | | | View on www.radiomagonlin... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | =C2=A0 | Ramping Up for the AM Order, Lines Drawn=20 http://www.radioworld.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 com/article/ramping-up= -for-the-am-order-lines-drawn/277205 http://www.radioworld.com/article/ramping-up-for-the-am-order-lines-drawn/2= 77205 | =C2=A0 | | =C2=A0 | | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | | Ramping Up for the AM Order, Lines Drawn | | | | View on www.radioworld.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | =C2=A0 | Pai Cedes Ground on AM Translator Window http://www.radioworld.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 com/article/pai-cedes-ground-on-am= -translator-window/277259 http://www.radioworld.com/article/pai-cedes-ground-on-am-translator-window/= 277259 | =C2=A0 | | =C2=A0 | | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | | Pai Cedes Ground on AM Translator Window | | | | View on www.radioworld.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | =C2=A0 | Thank You Kindly Now,=20 tj ------=_Part_2095513_2018149191.1445128068147 Content-Type: text/html; 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Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:29:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:29:41 +0000 (UTC) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: <271349209.1195990.1446560981144.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1195989_968860017.1446560981142" References: <271349209.1195990.1446560981144.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Length: 2611 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.81 Reply-To: John Subject: Re: fyi Help Is Finally On The Way For The AM Band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=hY4WOJ5yPIek4euHGwhWZDjpsAxaBRdskoyItbckfHGPtNeqtSvOs0Y X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From: John ------=_Part_1195989_968860017.1446560981142 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C2=A0 If they were to re-cap the CQUAM hardware, they would have nothing t= o lose by firing-up the CQUAM hardware and transmitting AM stereo, if the a= ntenna system likes HD, it will certainly also like CQUAM, and they could b= ack-off the 5KHz brickwall filter and restore 10.2KHz audio again too while= they're at it! Wishful thinking, if it was 1995 and radio stations all had= their own engineers prior to consolidation, they'd have time for a project= like restoring good AM audio. Also, in the 'reply comments' on the FCC mandate, I think we should all be = sure to add that there should be "minimum AM receiver standards" for any ra= dio that meets a certain=C2=A0FM stereo threshold should also include AM wi= th selectable / variable I.F. bandwidth, 6-7.5KHz audio, mandatory noise bl= anking, and ideally CQUAM decoding.I think it's worth all of us mentioning = it at least for the record.73 ------=_Part_1195989_968860017.1446560981142 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  If they = were to re-cap the CQUAM hardware, they would have nothing to lose by firin= g-up the CQUAM hardware and transmitting AM stereo, if the antenna system l= ikes HD, it will certainly also like CQUAM, and they could back-off the 5KH= z brickwall filter and restore 10.2KHz audio again too while they're at it!=
Wishful thinking, if it was 1995 and radio stations all had the= ir own engineers prior to consolidation, they'd have time for a project lik= e restoring good AM audio.

Also, in the 'reply comments' on the FCC mandat= e, I think we should all be sure to add that there should be "minimum AM re= ceiver standards" for any radio that meets a certain FM stereo thresho= ld should also include AM with selectable / variable I.F. bandwidth, 6-7.5K= Hz audio, mandatory noise blanking, and ideally CQUAM decoding.
I think it's worth all of us mentioning it at least for the reco= rd.
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They are a 50kw clear channel stat= ion and I think the engineer said in the interview that the tower is rated = to transmit @ 500kw (that of course never happened). He said they keep the = cquam stuff around because it makes the rack look cool. I would assume the= y don't use the cquam for the usual standard reason....because talk radio d= oesn't need it. I can post a link to the podcast when I get home if reques= ted. Every Christmas they play a satellite feed of a Holliday show while they ha= ve the day off. The only time they play music... I was looking for their c= ontact email to ask them if they can turn on cquam as a Christmas treat, bu= t didn't find it.. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2015, at 9:29 AM, John toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] > wrote: If they were to re-cap the CQUAM hardware, they would have nothing to los= e by firing-up the CQUAM hardware and transmitting AM stereo, if the antenn= a system likes HD, it will certainly also like CQUAM, and they could back-o= ff the 5KHz brickwall filter and restore 10.2KHz audio again too while they= 're at it! Wishful thinking, if it was 1995 and radio stations all had their own engin= eers prior to consolidation, they'd have time for a project like restoring = good AM audio. Also, in the 'reply comments' on the FCC mandate, I think we should all be = sure to add that there should be "minimum AM receiver standards" for any ra= dio that meets a certain FM stereo threshold should also include AM with se= lectable / variable I.F. bandwidth, 6-7.5KHz audio, mandatory noise blankin= g, and ideally CQUAM decoding. I think it's worth all of us mentioning it at least for the record. 73 --_000_F599DB31813749EFBDEA83BCE218A907jacobsenfamilynet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am sure WSB's antenna is good for HD.  They are a 50kw clear ch= annel station and I think the engineer said in the interview that the tower= is rated to transmit @ 500kw (that of course never happened). He said they= keep the cquam stuff around because it makes the rack look cool.  I would assume they don't use the cquam= for the usual standard reason....because talk radio doesn't need it.  = ;I can post a link to the podcast when I get home if requested.  

Every Christmas they play a satellite feed o= f a Holliday show while they have the day off.  The only time they pla= y music... I was looking for their contact email to ask them if they can tu= rn on cquam as a Christmas treat, but didn't find it..

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On Nov 3, 2015, at 9:29 AM, John toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

  If they were to re-cap the CQUAM hardware, they would have noth= ing to lose by firing-up the CQUAM hardware and transmitting AM stereo, if = the antenna system likes HD, it will certainly also like CQUAM, and they co= uld back-off the 5KHz brickwall filter and restore 10.2KHz audio again too while they're at it!
Wishful thinking, if it was 1995 and radio stations all had their own = engineers prior to consolidation, they'd have time for a project like resto= ring good AM audio.

Also, in the 'reply= comments' on the FCC mandate, I think we should all be sure to add that th= ere should be "minimum AM receiver standards" for any radio that = meets a certain FM stereo threshold should also include AM with selectable / variable I.F. bandwidth, 6-7.5KHz audio, mand= atory noise blanking, and ideally CQUAM decoding.
I think it's worth all of us mentioning it at least for th= e record.
73

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domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=jacobsen-family.net; dkim=neutral (no sig) X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO comomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net) (69.252.207.30) by mta1001.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:13:35 +0000 X-Received: from W14HUB-CH2-A1.w14a.comcast.net ([172.28.187.211]) by comomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with bizsmtp id d8DT1r00b4a5dYU018Dai6; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:13:34 +0000 X-Received: from W14MBX-CH2-A6.w14a.comcast.net ([169.254.6.103]) by W14HUB-CH2-A1.w14a.comcast.net ([172.28.187.211]) with mapi id 14.03.0224.002; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:13:02 -0600 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Thread-Topic: {AMSF} Re: fyi Help Is Finally On The Way For The AM Band Thread-Index: AQHRFkQJiRVyDxdMc0ShNv/rDlgBIp6LHJMA//+e+fg= Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:13:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: <271349209.1195990.1446560981144.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <271349209.1195990.1446560981144.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_EBA3E53941A14FF3B9915A8F773F27F9jacobsenfamilynet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.81 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: fyi Help Is Finally On The Way For The AM Band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=562790458; y=qVWue9pdZqFYCNj71qISHJVTIL6N1_cnrNw9uorJtoUliQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jacobst From: Tom Jacobsen --_000_EBA3E53941A14FF3B9915A8F773F27F9jacobsenfamilynet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Changing the TV low band (2-6) is not going to work in the US because the F= CC wants to restack the TV stations to free up more UHF channels and Sell t= hem off to the cell phone companies. The AM band is what it is, but that = doesn't mean that we can't improve it where we can.... Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2015, at 3:01 PM, jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] > wrote: There should be another possibility: Time ago was the idea to convert the VHF low band TV channels (2, 3, 4, 5 a= nd 6) into a "new" broadcast bands. The question was (and still is) if those "new" bands would be FM only, or s= ome kind of AM and FM distribution. I don't know what happened with that idea, but it is the best idea to save = the today AM stations (even the fact that the propagation characteristics o= f those "new" bands are absolutely different to the today MW AM band). I insist about this is the best idea, because with the today huge interfere= nces into the MW AM band, it won't be an option any more (nobody will be ab= le to convince the electric and telephonic companies to add the necessary f= ilters into their physical line networks to avoid the huge level of interfe= rence into the receivers). Well, just my humble opinion. Greetings & Blessings from Chile Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra CC-126 Radio Condell AM Curic=F3, Regi=F3n del Maule, Chile --_000_EBA3E53941A14FF3B9915A8F773F27F9jacobsenfamilynet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Changing the TV low band (2-6) is not going to work in the US because = the FCC wants to restack the TV stations to free up more UHF channels and S= ell them off to the cell phone companies.  The AM band is what it is, = but  that doesn't mean that we can't improve it where we can....

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 3, 2015, at 3:01 PM, jotape1= 960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

There should be another possibility:

Time ago was the idea to convert the VHF low band TV channels (2, 3, 4, 5 a= nd 6) into a "new" broadcast bands.

The question was (and still is) if those "new" bands would be FM = only, or some kind of AM and FM distribution.

I don't know what happened with that idea, but it is the best idea to save = the today AM stations (even the fact that the propagation characteristics o= f those "new" bands are absolutely different to the today MW AM b= and).

I insist about this is the best idea, because with the today huge interfere= nces into the MW AM band, it won't be an option any more (nobody will be ab= le to convince the electric and telephonic companies to add the necessary f= ilters into their physical line networks to avoid the huge level of interference into the receivers).

Well, just my humble opinion.

Greetings & Blessings from Chile

Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra
CC-126 Radio Condell AM
Curic=F3, Regi=F3n del Maule, Chile

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Jim Smith=20 On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 12:00 PM, "jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereo= forum]" wrote: =20=20=20 =C2=A0 There should be another possibility: Time ago was the idea to convert the VHF low band TV channels (2, 3, 4, 5 a= nd 6) into a "new" broadcast bands. The question was (and still is) if those "new" bands would be FM only, or s= ome kind of AM and FM distribution. I don't know what happened with that idea, but it is the best idea to save = the today AM stations (even the fact that the propagation characteristics o= f those "new" bands are absolutely different to the today MW AM band). I insist about this is the best idea, because with the today huge interfere= nces into the MW AM band, it won't be an option any more (nobody will be ab= le to convince the electric and telephonic companies to add the necessary f= ilters into their physical line networks to avoid the huge level of interfe= rence into the receivers). Well, just my humble opinion. 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On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 12:= 00 PM, "jotape1960@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups= .com> wrote:


 
=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20
There should be another possibility:

Time ago was the idea to convert the VHF low band TV channels (2,= 3, 4, 5 and 6) into a "new" broadcast bands.

The question was (and still is) if those "new" bands would be FM = only, or some kind of AM and FM distribution.

I don't know what happened with that idea, but it is the best ide= a to save the today AM stations (even the fact that the propagation charact= eristics of those "new" bands are absolutely different to the today MW AM b= and).

I insist about this is the best = idea, because with the today huge interferences into the MW AM band, it won= 't be an option any more (nobody will be able to convince the electric and = telephonic companies to add the necessary filters into their physical line = networks to avoid the huge level of interference into the receivers).

Well, just my humble opinion.

Greetings & Blessings from Chile

Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra
CC-= 126 Radio Condell AM
Curic=C3=B3, Regi=C3=B3n del Maule, = Chile
=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20


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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=462139290; y=8wpdTJJCLIyek82HcNN99Pd8ZxBMgDDUPZtboldL_8BDnIrCJOCP X-Yahoo-Profile: steveophonic From: Steve Preston ------=_Part_3569428_1349918089.1451099527322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why can they not at least take some measurements of the AM tuner?=C2=A0=C2= =A0 So we can compare.=C2=A0 No frequency response spec on any AM radio for= many years.=C2=A0 It would be nice to know which tuners had 3 khz cutoff b= efore purchase.=C2=A0 Most of the time, you can't even check them in a stor= e.=20 ------=_Part_3569428_1349918089.1451099527322 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Why can they not at least take some measurements of the AM tuner?   So we can compare.  No frequency response spec on any AM radio for many years.  It would be nice to know which tuners had 3 khz cutoff before purchase.  Most of the time, you can't even check them in a store.

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Sun, 03 Jan 2016 00:15:24 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 00:15:24 +0000 (UTC) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: <1557891632.6310987.1451780124585.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6310986_156789642.1451780124580" References: <1557891632.6310987.1451780124585.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Length: 904 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.245.163 Reply-To: Steve Preston Subject: Re: Possible to adjust I.F. width on DSP tuners? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=462139290; y=v90k_h5cSZXsZIqJHfRIxJ7hoClPTCqDf8YsE1Q6n2J5XT-H2tBm X-Yahoo-Profile: steveophonic From: Steve Preston ------=_Part_6310986_156789642.1451780124580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a Chris Cuff transmitter. =C2=A0Could take that running on 9 volt ba= ttery along with my phone and a cord to play music through anything I'm loo= king at. =C2=A0Never thought of that. =C2=A0 ------=_Part_6310986_156789642.1451780124580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I have a Chris Cuff transmitter.  Could take that running on 9 volt battery along with my phone and a cord to play music through anything I'm looking at.  Never thought of that.  
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Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:23:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:23:13 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Message-ID: <1516545446.323240.1452014593295.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_323239_1407274944.1452014593292" References: <1516545446.323240.1452014593295.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Length: 3441 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.82 Reply-To: timothy deshler Subject: some fyi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195264138; y=Rxka8js5EyAbqja1SiDrFZleLR5w-_JyRnDFI5TxQLcNdquL X-Yahoo-Profile: tjdeshler From: timothy deshler ------=_Part_323239_1407274944.1452014593292 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Year Sees End to Some MW Services=20 http://www.=C2=A0=C2=A0 radioworld.com/article/new-year-sees-end-to-some-mw= -services/277810 http://www.radioworld.com/article/new-year-sees-end-to-some-mw-services/277= 810 Radio France to Cease Medium Wave Transmission=20 http://www.=C2=A0=C2=A0 radioworld.com/article/radio-france-to-cease-medium= -wave-transmission/277796 http://www.radioworld.com/article/radio-france-to-cease-medium-wave-transmi= ssion/277796 Japan Offers Long-Term Model for AM=20 http://www.=C2=A0=C2=A0 radioworld.com/article/japan-offers-long-term-model= -for-am/277794 http://www.radioworld.com/article/japan-offers-long-term-model-for-am/27779= 4=C2=A0Thank You Kindly Now,=20 Tim Deshler ------=_Part_323239_1407274944.1452014593292 Content-Type: text/html; 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New Year Sees End to Some MW Services
http://www.   radioworld.co= m/article/new-year-sees-end-to-some-mw-services/277810
http://www.radioworld.com/artic= le/new-year-sees-end-to-some-mw-services/277810

Radio France = to Cease Medium Wave Transmission
http://www.   radioworld.com/article/radio-france-t= o-cease-medium-wave-transmission/277796
http://www.radioworld.com/article/rad= io-france-to-cease-medium-wave-transmission/277796

Japan Offers Long-Term Model for AM
http://www.   radioworld= .com/article/japan-offers-long-term-model-for-am/277794
http://www.radiowor= ld.com/article/japan-offers-long-term-model-for-am/277794
 
Thank You Kindly Now,

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  Makes no sense these European countries are ending MW/AM service as I didn't think their DAB stations had that good of coverage and eat up batteries? I heard that BBC5 (on MW) still has a 10% of the listening in the UK- sounds still viable to me?

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Hello Gang,
I hope your holidays were joyful, and the new year is a good one for you.
 
I think the Japanese solution is a good one.  It might work well in this country to relieve class D and C stations that that battle one another at night.  In my area, WBCB 1490 struggles against WAZL 1490 Hazelton PA (100 miles) and WBSS 1490 Atlantic City NJ (80 miles).
A few years back when 'BCB was down for transmitter work, these stations were audible here.  Why they would make such assignments so close in proximity is a mystery.
 
If that were done here, there are a lot of old "TV band" radios that could receive them right away.   Might be able to re-assign the remaining stations to give them more "breathing room".   The FCC would still need to address the problem of noige generating consumer devices though.
 
As for the Europeans shutting down the MW broadcasts, I think that is too bad.  The AM band is the only truly universal band worldwide.  (Analog tuned receivers anyway.)
 
Just my two zinc pennies.  Thanks for listening.
 
Have a good day,
Joe R.
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 at 12:23 PM
From: "timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: {AMSF} some fyi

 
New Year Sees End to Some MW Services
http://www.   radioworld.com/article/new-year-sees-end-to-some-mw-services/277810
http://www.radioworld.com/article/new-year-sees-end-to-some-mw-services/277810
 
Radio France to Cease Medium Wave Transmission
http://www.   radioworld.com/article/radio-france-to-cease-medium-wave-transmission/277796
http://www.radioworld.com/article/radio-france-to-cease-medium-wave-transmission/277796
 
Japan Offers Long-Term Model for AM
http://www.   radioworld.com/article/japan-offers-long-term-model-for-am/277794
http://www.radioworld.com/article/japan-offers-long-term-model-for-am/277794
 
Thank You Kindly Now,

Tim Deshler
 
 
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Thu, 07 Jan 2016 10:52:34 +0000 X-Received: by mail-vk0-f49.google.com with SMTP id i129so33662076vkb.0 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 02:52:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.180.145 with SMTP id d139mr65343719vkf.83.1452163954159; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 02:52:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.31.153.137 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 02:52:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1516545446.323240.1452014593295.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1516545446.323240.1452014593295.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 10:52:34 +0000 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 98.139.245.165 Subject: Re: {AMSF} some fyi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=293978356; y=hLggTTyP2qt7LxYcbJerePJoN7-9EJB-ILJaRHUt4pTogXGtKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: harmonichy From: Tim Bucknall the noise is terrible here in Europe and there is no legislative will to do anything about it, the UK regulators investigators don't even recognise the problem ( I had a hilariously bad experience with ofcoms investigators) I reluctantly agree that the only future for MW stations is to move to an expanded FM band as an FM dxer the expanded FM band is wonderful news if more countries in the Americas follow Brazils lead and populate 76-87mhz the dx possibilities from Europe are very promising we used to receive your TV on 77.25 via sporadic e with enough strength to watch the picture so if there were an FM broadcast allocation on the Eastern Seaboard of North America in that range I would expect to see it logged in Europe at least once a season On 07/01/2016, 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > Hello Gang, > I hope your holidays were joyful, and the new year is a good one for you. > > I think the Japanese solution is a good one.=C2=A0 It might work well in = this > country to relieve class D and C stations that that battle one another at > night.=C2=A0 In my area, WBCB 1490 struggles against WAZL 1490 Hazelton P= A (100 > miles) and WBSS 1490 Atlantic City NJ (80 miles). > A few years back when 'BCB was down for transmitter work, these stations > were audible here.=C2=A0 Why they would make such assignments so close in > proximity is a mystery. > > If that were done here, there are a lot of old "TV band" radios that coul= d > receive them right away.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Might be able to re-assign the remai= ning stations > to give them more "breathing room".=C2=A0=C2=A0 The FCC would still need = to address > the problem of noige generating consumer devices though. > > As for the Europeans shutting down the MW broadcasts, I think that is too > bad.=C2=A0 The AM band is the only truly universal band worldwide.=C2=A0 = (Analog tuned > receivers anyway.) > > Just my two zinc pennies.=C2=A0 Thanks for listening. > > Have a good day, > Joe R. > > > Sent:=C2=A0Tuesday, January 05, 2016 at 12:23 PM > From:=C2=A0"timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" > > To:=C2=A0yahoogroups > Subject:=C2=A0{AMSF} some fyi > > > New Year Sees End to Some MW Services > http://www. > radioworld.com/article/new-year-sees-end-to-some-mw-services/277810 > http://www.radioworld.com/article/new-year-sees-end-to-some-mw-services/2= 77810 > > Radio France to Cease Medium Wave Transmission > http://www. > radioworld.com/article/radio-france-to-cease-medium-wave-transmission/277= 796 > http://www.radioworld.com/article/radio-france-to-cease-medium-wave-trans= mission/277796 > > Japan Offers Long-Term Model for AM > http://www. > radioworld.com/article/japan-offers-long-term-model-for-am/277794 > http://www.radioworld.com/article/japan-offers-long-term-model-for-am/277= 794 > > Thank You Kindly Now, > > Tim Deshler > > > >=20 --=20 Tim Bucknall Congleton, UK UK Director #KresySiberia From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 07 06:14:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30797 invoked by uid 102); 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u=303182910; y=-IUW1IjAtQrcGVciEdyqOOS4V-deCEDfhqvg9CvfELP8vB54cXVN X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 From: "Joseph Rouse"
Hi Tim,
 
Sorry to hear that your officials will not do their job and address the noise problem plaguing the MW band in Europe.  They haven't done much better here in the States, else it would not be as bad as it is currently.  Whether or not they will act remains to be seen.
 
I find it ironic though, that France wants to shut down all AM broadcasting.  France was (to my knowledge) the only country in the world to use Amplitude Modulation to transmit the television sound signal during the analog TV days.
 
Hope they workout a solution for the listeners.  I am not convinced that the proposal is the only way out, but then again, I have not experienced what it is like there.
 
TV across the pond?  You must have a real efficient rig!  My guess would be a New York station.
 
Have a good day,
Joe R.
 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 at 5:52 AM
From: "Tim Bucknall tim.bucknall@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {AMSF} some fyi
the noise is terrible here in Europe
and there is no legislative will to do anything about it,
the UK regulators investigators don't even recognise the problem ( I
had a hilariously bad experience with ofcoms investigators)

I reluctantly agree that the only future for MW stations is to move to
an expanded FM band

as an FM dxer the expanded FM band is wonderful news
if more countries in the Americas follow Brazils lead and populate
76-87mhz the dx possibilities from Europe are very promising

we used to receive your TV on 77.25 via sporadic e with enough
strength to watch the picture so if there were an FM broadcast
allocation on the Eastern Seaboard of North America in that range I
would expect to see it logged in Europe at least once a season


On 07/01/2016, 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum]
<amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Gang,
> I hope your holidays were joyful, and the new year is a good one for you.
>
> I think the Japanese solution is a good one.  It might work well in this
> country to relieve class D and C stations that that battle one another at
> night.  In my area, WBCB 1490 struggles against WAZL 1490 Hazelton PA (100
> miles) and WBSS 1490 Atlantic City NJ (80 miles).
> A few years back when 'BCB was down for transmitter work, these stations
> were audible here.  Why they would make such assignments so close in
> proximity is a mystery.
>
> If that were done here, there are a lot of old "TV band" radios that could
> receive them right away.   Might be able to re-assign the remaining stations
> to give them more "breathing room".   The FCC would still need to address
> the problem of noige generating consumer devices though.
>
> As for the Europeans shutting down the MW broadcasts, I think that is too
> bad.  The AM band is the only truly universal band worldwide.  (Analog tuned
> receivers anyway.)
>
> Just my two zinc pennies.  Thanks for listening.
>
> Have a good day,
> Joe R.
>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 at 12:23 PM
> From: "timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]"
> <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
> To: yahoogroups <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: {AMSF} some fyi
>
>
> New Year Sees End to Some MW Services
> http://www.
> radioworld.com/article/new-year-sees-end-to-some-mw-services/277810
> http://www.radioworld.com/article/new-year-sees-end-to-some-mw-services/277810
>
> Radio France to Cease Medium Wave Transmission
> http://www.
> radioworld.com/article/radio-france-to-cease-medium-wave-transmission/277796
> http://www.radioworld.com/article/radio-france-to-cease-medium-wave-transmission/277796
>
> Japan Offers Long-Term Model for AM
> http://www.
> radioworld.com/article/japan-offers-long-term-model-for-am/277794
> http://www.radioworld.com/article/japan-offers-long-term-model-for-am/277794
>
> Thank You Kindly Now,
>
> Tim Deshler
>
>
>
>


--
Tim Bucknall
Congleton, UK
UK Director #KresySiberia


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The frequency band 68 - 88 MHz in Europe is service to communications between vehicles and emergency vehicles. Police, military, transportations etc.  Band l is broadcasting band 47 - 68 MHz former analogue TV broadcastings.
 
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Police, military, transportations > etc. Band l is broadcasting band 47 - 68 MHz former analogue TV > broadcastings. 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Best coverage point to point =C2=A0=C2= =A0Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu=20 Den fredag, 8 januari 2016 18:59 skrev "Tim Bucknall tim.bucknall@gmail= .com [amstereoforum]" : =20 =C2=A0 Dear Group, just a few observations on the UK bandplan based on monitoring in Northern England & Wales Theres not been Police between 66 -88 MHz in the UK for at least 30years before the current 390mhz tetra system the Police used 154 & 453mhz in theory the AA roadside breakdown service are still allocated the 82mhz band and their long forgotten repeaters still fire up with data burst IDs every so often but I haven't heard any voice traffic in many many years- they use mobile phones now The fire brigade left 70 & 81/83 MHz a few years ago 68-69mhz is Taxi mobiles 85-87.5 is the base stations there is a Military allocation around 74mhz for the "mould" system 76-87.5 is a sparsely occupied mix of various local businesses, Taxis, a mobile Vet near me, canal dredgers, some Broadcasting talkback links like 86.825, park rangers in the Peak District national park 67.83125 is a TV studio talkback freq. in London the Situation in Ireland is pretty similar but with more activity in the 76-80mhz range+ theres 2 very powerful Data transmitters in Dublin on 83.35 & 86.65 that penetrate well into England If the UK ever wanted to expand the band downwards I think it could be done without major disruption to business 76-87.5 gets emptier every year best wishes On 08/01/2016, Roy Sandgren radio774@yahoo.se [amstereoforum] wrote: > The frequency band 68 - 88 MHz in Europe is service to communications > between vehicles and emergency vehicles. Police, military, transportation= s > etc. Band l is broadcasting band 47 - 68 MHz former analogue TV > broadcastings. 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However, 68 - 88 is no= t a broadcasting band in the ITU plan.  47 - 68 MHz is a broadcasting = band.  You can never use a communication band to broadcasting or vise = versa.  Many companies want to use 68 - 88 MHz to communications betwe= en vehichles. Best coverage point to point  
 
Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 1400= 6 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN      www.radiosyd.eu
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Den fredag, 8 januari 2016 18:59 skrev "Tim Bucknall tim.= bucknall@gmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>:<= br>


 
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Dear Group,
just a few observations on the UK bandplan based on monitoring in
Northern England & Wales
Theres not been Police between 66 -88 MHz in the UK for at least 30years before the current 390mhz tetra system the Police used 154 & 453mhz
in theory the AA roadside breakdown service are still allocated the
82mhz band and their long forgotten repeaters still fire up with data
burst IDs every so often but I haven't heard any voice traffic in
many many years- they use mobile phones now

The fire brigade left 70 & 81/83 MHz a few years ago

68-69mhz is Taxi mobiles
85-87.5 is the base stations

there is a Military allocation around 74mhz for the "mould" system

76-87.5 is a sparsely occupied mix of various local businesses, Taxis,
a mobile Vet near me, canal dredgers, some Broadcasting talkback links
like 86.825,
park rangers in the Peak District national park

67.83125 is a TV studio talkback freq. in London

the Situation in Ireland is pretty similar but with more activity in
the 76-80mhz range+

theres 2 very powerful Data transmitters in Dublin on 83.35 & 86.65
that penetrate well into England

If the UK ever wanted to expand the band downwards I think it could
be done without major disruption to business
76-87.5 gets emptier every year

best wishes

On 08/01/2016, Roy Sandgren radio774@yahoo.se [amstereoforum]
<amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> The frequency band 68 - 88 MHz in Europe is service to communications<= br clear=3D"none"> > between vehicles and emergency vehicles. Police, military, transportat= ions
> etc. Band l is broadcasting band 47 - 68 MHz former analogue TV
> broadcastings. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=
> www.radiosyd.eu

--
Tim Bucknall
Congleton, UK
UK Director #KresySiberia
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Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:03:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:03:29 +0000 (UTC) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: <588998040.1565799.1453907010001.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1565798_670926472.1453907009993" Content-Length: 21699 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.100.120 Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} good news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=W1xFGhH9v6HjUO4epcw4iBy_ZYCItC-5QmnHh8SNaIRIV8Y X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 From: Roy Sandgren ------=_Part_1565798_670926472.1453907009993 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sweden says no to free AM radio still. Most EU countries will be more liber= al in AM !!=C2=A0Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu=20 Den m=C3=A5ndag, 25 januari 2016 14:45 skrev "pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereo= forum]" : =20 =C2=A0 The Netherlands has now the opportunity to have a private license= for the medium wave. I'm in for 100 Watt erp for the 1539 KHz So here is a tour in the transmitter room. 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Sweden says no to free AM radio st= ill. Most EU countries will be more liberal in AM !!
 
Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 1= 4006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN      www.radiosyd.eu


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Den m=C3=A5ndag, 25 januari 2016 14:45 skrev "pe1opq= @veron.nl [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>:


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The Netherlands has now the opportunity to have a private licens= e for the medium wave.

I'm in for 100 = Watt erp for the 1539 KHz
So here is a tour in the transm= itter room.
Have fun.
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to start ; Finland open to AMAX &nb= sp; 7,5 - 15 kHz audio. 40 incordinated allocations.  Holland very new= libral laws. Most EU countries and Italy wich is a very libral licencing. = Registration of use of frequency only Many dozen vacant frequencies.No limi= t of power at cordinated frequncies like in Finland.As they are incordinate= d.

 
Bests from Roy Sandg= ren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN      www.radio= syd.eu


Den torsdag, 28 januari 2016 14:50 skrev "= toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com= >:


 


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That whey the TM 150 would also have the signal meter fo= r FM. There is no meter at all for the TM 150. They where both in the 1985 = Radio Shack Catalog . Jim Smith ------=_Part_1224298_1283899658.1454562199231 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi gang  Been a wile .  Some thing I don't understand is why Radio Shack made the Realistic TM 150 and the TM 152 seperet.  What I mean is why didn't they put the C-QuAM  chip and signal meter in the Realistic TM 150? That whey the TM 150 would also have the signal meter for FM. There is no meter at all for the TM 150. They where both in the 1985 Radio Shack Catalog . Jim Smith
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  Hi Gang Again .  I still think simulcasting AM on FM freq's are still a very bad idea here he US. All I see is another whey for listeners to migreat  from AM to FM. Dose'nt  that make any sense to any one here.  There is a lot more FM STEREO radios and tuners out there than AM STEREO radios and tuners which  makes FM sound better like normal. Jim Smith
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Perhaps the TM152 was aimed at people that already had stereos. The TM= 150 FM tuner would be redundant in that case. I am sure if AM stereo became= popular, they would have a AM/FM stereo with CQUAM, but that never happene= d. 

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Hi gang  Been = a wile .  Some thing I don't understand is why Radio Shack made the Re= alistic TM 150 and the TM 152 seperet.  What I mean is why didn't= they put the C-QuAM  chip and signal meter in the Realistic TM 150? That whey the TM 150 would also have the signal meter for FM. Ther= e is no meter at all for the TM 150. They where both in the 1985 Radio Shac= k Catalog . Jim Smith

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Those include whether to open the band = to more stations and whether to use it to authorize operations of all-digit= al AM - See more at: http://www.radioworld.com/article/a-tale-of-three-x-ba= nd-stations/278045#sthash.e7iXzf8a.dpufThe expanded band may be in the news= again soon thanks to questions asked by the Federal Communications Commiss= ion in its recent AM =E2=80=9Crevitalization=E2=80=9D order (see sidebar). = Those include whether to open the band to more stations and whether to use = it to authorize operations of all-digital AM - See more at: http://www.radi= oworld.com/article/a-tale-of-three-x-band-stations/278045#sthash.e7iXzf8a.d= puf The expanded band may be in the news again soon thanks to questions asked b= y the Federal Communications Commission in its recent AM =E2=80=9Crevitaliz= ation=E2=80=9D order (see sidebar). Those include whether to open the band = to more stations and whether to use it to authorize operations of all-digit= al AM - See more at: http://www.radioworld.com/article/a-tale-of-three-x-ba= nd-stations/278045#sthash.e7iXzf8a.dpuf http://www.radioworld.com/article/a-tale-of-three-x-band-stations/278045 =C2=A0Thank You Kindly Now,=20 tj deshler ------=_Part_1593972_1230367499.1454625416992 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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He's seeking an owner's = manual and service manual. Send your brother here and they will fix him right up! https://shop.heathkit.com/page/vintage-replacement-manuals 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI & WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn --Apple-Mail=_E299AAF3-05C1-4F35-BCF7-5774BAAE8BF9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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I joined mainly bec= ause my brother was gifted a PT-1 and is seeking help. He doesn't really sp= end any time on the Interweb. He's seeking an owner's manual and service manual.


Send your brothe= r here and they will fix him right up!

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73,
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CE WCKI & WLTQ

There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radi= o. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response tha= n FM. - Leonard Kahn

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    Hi Gang  I can't wait to hear the same boring crap from AM now on FM.  Jim Smith
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These were the days before NRSC audio frequency red= uction, so the audio response on AM was notably better. Vendors offered bet= ter receivers to the connoisseur; and the reception environment was far fri= endlier than today, with less electrification, less band noise and fewer st= ations. AMs could sound pretty good; all FM signals were hi-fi mono.Several= receiver manufacturers sold units capable of receiving the AM-FM stereo sy= stem. Consoles were the most popular version; the selector switch inside ha= d settings for AM or FM and AM-FM stereo.Although I cannot identify any sta= tions that were full-time dual stereo, AM-FM station pairs that cleared lim= ited air time for AM-FM stereo broadcast included WFIL and WFLN in Philadel= phia, WABC in New York, WPEL in Montrose, Pa., and WTIC in Hartford, among = others. For example, WBZ Boston would break format on Sundays at 7 p.m. for= the =E2=80=9CStereo Hour,=E2=80=9D during which one program would be broad= cast in AM-FM stereo. - See more at: http://www.radioworld.com/article/how-= fm-stereo-came-to-life/277999#sthash.W1tRvF2Y.dpufA sort of marketplace =E2= =80=9CAM-FM stereo=E2=80=9D system standard for binaural broadcasting appea= red, with one channel on the AM (left) and the other on the FM (right). The= se were the days before NRSC audio frequency reduction, so the audio respon= se on AM was notably better. Vendors offered better receivers to the connoi= sseur; and the reception environment was far friendlier than today, with le= ss electrification, less band noise and fewer stations. AMs could sound pre= tty good; all FM signals were hi-fi mono.Several receiver manufacturers sol= d units capable of receiving the AM-FM stereo system. Consoles were the mos= t popular version; the selector switch inside had settings for AM or FM and= AM-FM stereo.Although I cannot identify any stations that were full-time d= ual stereo, AM-FM station pairs that cleared limited air time for AM-FM ste= reo broadcast included WFIL and WFLN in Philadelphia, WABC in New York, WPE= L in Montrose, Pa., and WTIC in Hartford, among others. For example, WBZ Bo= ston would break format on Sundays at 7 p.m. for the =E2=80=9CStereo Hour,= =E2=80=9D during which one program would be broadcast in AM-FM stereo. - Se= e more at: http://www.radioworld.com/article/how-fm-stereo-came-to-life/277= 999#sthash.W1tRvF2Y.dpufA sort of marketplace =E2=80=9CAM-FM stereo=E2=80= =9D system standard for binaural broadcasting appeared, with one channel on= the AM (left) and the other on the FM (right). These were the days before = NRSC audio frequency reduction, so the audio response on AM was notably bet= ter. Vendors offered better receivers to the connoisseur; and the reception= environment was far friendlier than today, with less electrification, less= band noise and fewer stations. AMs could sound pretty good; all FM signals= were hi-fi mono.Several receiver manufacturers sold units capable of recei= ving the AM-FM stereo system. Consoles were the most popular version; the s= elector switch inside had settings for AM or FM and AM-FM stereo.Although I= cannot identify any stations that were full-time dual stereo, AM-FM statio= n pairs that cleared limited air time for AM-FM stereo broadcast included W= FIL and WFLN in Philadelphia, WABC in New York, WPEL in Montrose, Pa., and = WTIC in Hartford, among others. For example, WBZ Boston would break format = on Sundays at 7 p.m. for the =E2=80=9CStereo Hour,=E2=80=9D during which on= e program would be broadcast in AM-FM stereo. - See more at: http://www.rad= ioworld.com/article/how-fm-stereo-came-to-life/277999#sthash.W1tRvF2Y.dpufA= sort of marketplace =E2=80=9CAM-FM stereo=E2=80=9D system standard for bin= aural broadcasting appeared, with one channel on the AM (left) and the othe= r on the FM (right). These were the days before NRSC audio frequency reduct= ion, so the audio response on AM was notably better. Vendors offered better= receivers to the connoisseur; and the reception environment was far friend= lier than today, with less electrification, less band noise and fewer stati= ons. AMs could sound pretty good; all FM signals were hi-fi mono. Several receiver manufacturers sold units capable of receiving the AM-FM st= ereo system. Consoles were the most popular version; the selector switch in= side had settings for AM or FM and AM-FM stereo. Although I cannot identify any stations that were full-time dual stereo, AM= -FM station pairs that cleared limited air time for AM-FM stereo broadcast = included WFIL and WFLN in Philadelphia, WABC in New York, WPEL in Montrose,= Pa., and WTIC in Hartford, among others. For example, WBZ Boston would bre= ak format on Sundays at 7 p.m. for the =E2=80=9CStereo Hour,=E2=80=9D durin= g which one program would be broadcast in AM-FM stereo. - See more at: http://www.radioworld.com/article/how-fm-stereo-came-to-life= /277999#sthash.W1tRvF2Y.dpuf http://www.radioworld.com/article/how-fm-stereo-came-to-life/277999How FM S= tereo Came to Life=C2=A0=20 Thank You Kindly Now,=20 tj deshler ------=_Part_1812653_151514953.1455129993073 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

fyi: a brief mention of the hybr= id "AM-FM stereo"

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A sort of marketplace =E2=80=9CAM-FM stereo=E2=80=9D system standard for bin= aural=20 broadcasting appeared, with one channel on the AM (left) and the other=20 on the FM (right). These were the days before NRSC audio frequency=20 reduction, so the audio response on AM was notably better. Vendors=20 offered better receivers to the connoisseur; and the reception=20 environment was far friendlier than today, with less electrification,=20 less band noise and fewer stations. AMs could sound pretty good; all FM=20 signals were hi-fi mono.
Several receiver manufacturers sold units capable of receiving the=20 AM-FM stereo system. Consoles were the most popular version; the=20 selector switch inside had settings for AM or FM and AM-FM stereo.
Although I cannot identify any stations that were full-time dual=20 stereo, AM-FM station pairs that cleared limited air time for AM-FM=20 stereo broadcast included WFIL and WFLN in Philadelphia, WABC in New=20 York, WPEL in Montrose, Pa., and WTIC in Hartford, among others. For=20 example, WBZ Boston would break format on Sundays at 7 p.m. for the=20 =E2=80=9CStereo Hour,=E2=80=9D during which one program would be broadcast = in AM-FM=20 stereo.
= A sort of marketplace =E2=80=9CAM-FM stereo=E2=80=9D system standard for bin= aural=20 broadcasting appeared, with one channel on the AM (left) and the other=20 on the FM (right). These were the days before NRSC audio frequency=20 reduction, so the audio response on AM was notably better. Vendors=20 offered better receivers to the connoisseur; and the reception=20 environment was far friendlier than today, with less electrification,=20 less band noise and fewer stations. AMs could sound pretty good; all FM=20 signals were hi-fi mono.
Several receiver manufacturers sold units capable of receiving the=20 AM-FM stereo system. Consoles were the most popular version; the=20 selector switch inside had settings for AM or FM and AM-FM stereo.
Although I cannot identify any stations that were full-time dual=20 stereo, AM-FM station pairs that cleared limited air time for AM-FM=20 stereo broadcast included WFIL and WFLN in Philadelphia, WABC in New=20 York, WPEL in Montrose, Pa., and WTIC in Hartford, among others. For=20 example, WBZ Boston would break format on Sundays at 7 p.m. for the=20 =E2=80=9CStereo Hour,=E2=80=9D during which one program would be broadcast = in AM-FM=20 stereo.
= A sort of marketplace =E2=80=9CAM-FM stereo=E2=80=9D system standard for bin= aural=20 broadcasting appeared, with one channel on the AM (left) and the other=20 on the FM (right). These were the days before NRSC audio frequency=20 reduction, so the audio response on AM was notably better. Vendors=20 offered better receivers to the connoisseur; and the reception=20 environment was far friendlier than today, with less electrification,=20 less band noise and fewer stations. AMs could sound pretty good; all FM=20 signals were hi-fi mono.
Several receiver manufacturers sold units capable of receiving the=20 AM-FM stereo system. Consoles were the most popular version; the=20 selector switch inside had settings for AM or FM and AM-FM stereo.
Although I cannot identify any stations that were full-time dual=20 stereo, AM-FM station pairs that cleared limited air time for AM-FM=20 stereo broadcast included WFIL and WFLN in Philadelphia, WABC in New=20 York, WPEL in Montrose, Pa., and WTIC in Hartford, among others. For=20 example, WBZ Boston would break format on Sundays at 7 p.m. for the=20 =E2=80=9CStereo Hour,=E2=80=9D during which one program would be broadcast = in AM-FM=20 stereo.
A sort of marketplace =E2= =80=9CAM-FM stereo=E2=80=9D system standard for binaural broadcasting appea= red, with one channel on the AM (left) and the other on the FM (right). The= se were the days before NRSC audio frequency reduction, so the audio respon= se on AM was notably better. Vendors offered better receivers to the connoi= sseur; and the reception environment was far friendlier than today, with le= ss electrification, less band noise and fewer stations. AMs could sound pre= tty good; all FM signals were hi-fi mono.

Several receiver manufactu= rers sold units capable of receiving the AM-FM stereo system. Consoles were= the most popular version; the selector switch inside had settings for AM o= r FM and AM-FM stereo.

Although I cannot identify any stations that = were full-time dual stereo, AM-FM station pairs that cleared limited air ti= me for AM-FM stereo broadcast included WFIL and WFLN in Philadelphia, WABC = in New York, WPEL in Montrose, Pa., and WTIC in Hartford, among others. For= example, WBZ Boston would break format on Sundays at 7 p.m. for the =E2=80= =9CStereo Hour,=E2=80=9D during which one program would be broadcast in AM-= FM stereo.



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How FM Stereo Came to Life 


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Sounds better than DAB+ course AM is more dynamic audio !!! Hope you can get a licence as the new proposal of AM in Holland 
 
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The deal at that time w= as you HAD to turn-in your station license - a whole lot sooner than 20 yea= rs. You also got bonus points for broadcasting in CQUAM AM Stereo, giving y= ou preference over others fighting for these choice new frequency assignmen= ts. I would hope that the X-band stations would honor their commitments to = broadcast with above average audio (out to the 10.2KHz limit) and turn-in t= heir original AM license. IF their other AM station IS indeed viable then, = I say the FCC should give them 6 months to sell the station to a new owner,= but they can't keep them both. It doesn't achieve the original FCC objecti= ve of reducing the number of stations, but it might be a compromise. =C2=A0Thank You Kindly Now,=20 tjdeshler ------=_Part_2953296_1797209395.1456512309103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Johnny_Fever =E2=80=A2 2 days ag= o
Iowa and Michigan got more tha= n their fair share of X-band stations=20 while Ohio begged for them. The deal at that time was you HAD to=20 turn-in your station license - a whole lot sooner than 20 years. You=20 also got bonus points for broadcasting in CQUAM AM Stereo, giving you=20 preference over others fighting for these choice new frequency=20 assignments. I would hope that the X-band stations would honor their=20 commitments to broadcast with above average audio (out to the 10.2KHz=20 limit) and turn-in their original AM license. IF their other AM station IS indeed viable then, I say the FCC should give them 6 months to sell=20 the station to a new owner, but they can't keep them both. It doesn't=20 achieve the original FCC objective of reducing the number of stations,=20 but it might be a compromise.

 
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Dick W . -----Original Message----- From: timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: yahoogroups Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2016 1:48 pm Subject: {AMSF} fyi Expanded-Band Owner Objects to AM Surrender Plan =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Expanded-Band Owner Objects to AM Surrender Plan=20 http://www.radioworld.com/article/expanded-band-owner-objects-to-am-surrend= er-plan/278222 http://www.radioworld. ; com/article/expanded-band-owner-objects-to-am-su= rrender-plan/278222 in the comment following this article, i found the following references to = amstereo Iowa and Michigan got more than their fair share of X-band stations while O= hio begged for them. The deal at that time was you HAD to turn-in your sta= tion license - a whole lot sooner than 20 years. You also got bonus points= for broadcasting in CQUAM AM Stereo, giving you preference over others fig= hting for these choice new frequency assignments. I would hope that the X-= band stations would honor their commitments to broadcast with above average= audio (out to the 10.2KHz limit) and turn-in their original AM license. I= F their other AM station IS indeed viable then, I say the FCC should give t= hem 6 months to sell the station to a new owner, but they can't keep them b= oth. It doesn't achieve the original FCC objective of reducing the number = of stations, but it might be a compromise. =20 Thank You Kindly Now,=20 tjdeshler =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_7843_401741377.1456515623698 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well= -written, some good points!
Dick W

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in the comment following this article, i found the following references to amster= eo

Iowa and Michigan got more tha= n their fair share of X-band stations=20 while Ohio begged for them. The deal at that time was you HAD to=20 turn-in your station license - a whole lot sooner than 20 years. You=20 also got bonus points for broadcasting in CQUAM AM Stereo, giving you=20 preference over others fighting for these choice new frequency=20 assignments. I would hope that the X-band stations would honor their=20 commitments to broadcast with above average audio (out to the 10.2KHz=20 limit) and turn-in their original AM license. IF their other AM station IS indeed viable then, I say the FCC should give them 6 months to sell=20 the station to a new owner, but they can't keep them both. It doesn't=20 achieve the original FCC objective of reducing the number of stations,=20 but it might be a compromise.

 
Thank You = Kindly Now,

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Sun, 06 Mar 2016 01:08:33 +0000 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 01:08:33 +0000 (UTC) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: <208538021.4307921.1457226513425.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4307920_500716461.1457226513420" Content-Length: 9897 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.245.163 Reply-To: keith beesley Subject: Re: {AMSF} new radio C-QUAM, were to buy? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=pI-uPPYUx16dA6pd6Zmgx94mVIhU6cMKxYpxnDCt_f2oyiW_ X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 From: keith beesley ------=_Part_4307920_500716461.1457226513420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Theo,=20 Unfortunately, I don't think anyone is still selling new HD radios that rec= eive the medium wave band. HD never really caught on here. bestbuy.com sell= s some HD table radios, but they are FM HD only. I occasionally see them on= websites that sell used merchandise, such as Ebay.=20 Good luck,=20 Keith=20=20 On Saturday, March 5, 2016 10:23 AM, "pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum]" = wrote: =20 I was wondering that I cant find new C-QUAM radio's. What I understood is that HD radio support C-QUAM, but were to buy? In Europa is HD radio never introduced be course of DRM.And radio's for C-Q= UAM are not for sale here in Europa.So were to buy is the question :-) Theo =20=20 ------=_Part_4307920_500716461.1457226513420 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Theo,

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone is still= selling new HD radios that receive the medium wave band. HD never really c= aught on here. bestbuy.com sells some HD table radios, but they are FM HD o= nly. I occasionally see them on websites that sell used merchandise, such a= s Ebay.

Good luck,

Keith


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On Satu= rday, March 5, 2016 10:23 AM, "pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum]" <amstere= oforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20


I was wondering that I cant find new C-QUAM radio's.
What I understood i= s that HD radio support C-QUAM, but were to buy?

In Europ= a is HD radio never introduced be course of DRM.
And= radio's for C-QUAM are not for sale here in Europa.
So were to buy is the question :-)

Theo





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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=RALMPBhs_KN3vLVBOsOO7DUlGL49RUH_9puYVp5ZSrjjjjU X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." --94eb2c09217a126d0b052d587c48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doesn't this one do AM? http://hdradio.com/get-a-radio/home-radio/sparc-am/fm-radio-w/alarm DAVID On Mar 5, 2016 8:08 PM, "keith beesley keith1226@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" wrote: > > > Hi Theo, > > Unfortunately, I don't think anyone is still selling new HD radios that > receive the medium wave band. HD never really caught on here. bestbuy.com > sells some HD table radios, but they are FM HD only. I occasionally see > them on websites that sell used merchandise, such as Ebay. > > Good luck, > > Keith > > > On Saturday, March 5, 2016 10:23 AM, "pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum]" < > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > I was wondering that I cant find new C-QUAM radio's. > What I understood is that HD radio support C-QUAM, but were to buy? > > In Europa is HD radio never introduced be course of DRM. > And radio's for C-QUAM are not for sale here in Europa. > So were to buy is the question :-) > > Theo > > > > > > > >=20 > --94eb2c09217a126d0b052d587c48 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Doesn't this one do AM?

http://hdradio.com/get-a-radio/home-radio/sparc-am/fm-r= adio-w/alarm

DAVID

On Mar 5, 2016 8:08 PM, "keith beesley keith1226@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]&= quot; <amstereoforum@ya= hoogroups.com> wrote:
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= Hi Theo,

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone = is still selling new HD radios that receive the medium wave band. HD never = really caught on here. bes= tbuy.com sells some HD table radios, but they are FM HD only. I occasio= nally see them on websites that sell used merchandise, such as Ebay.
=

Good luck,

Keith
=

On Saturday, March 5, 2016 10:23 AM, "pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum= ]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


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I was wondering that I cant find new C-QUAM radio's.
What I understo= od is that HD radio support C-QUAM, but were to buy?

In E= uropa is HD radio never introduced be course of DRM.
And radio's for C-QUAM are not for sale here in Europa.
So were to buy is the question :-)

Theo







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Hi  Not all AM -FM HD Radios will pick up C-QuAM AM STEREO. I have not herd anything on the Sparc HD Radio being C-QuAM ready. Jim Smith
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[125.209.148.198]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 81sm17879289pfa.12.2016.03.06.05.19.43 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Mar 2016 05:19:44 -0800 (PST) References: <208538021.4307921.1457226513425.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-46D268F4-A14C-4B4E-9BA4-701699AD43C2 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13D15) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <27A23A67-7BAF-451E-833B-4E146BA7D9C7@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 21:19:39 +0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.82 Subject: Re: {AMSF} new radio C-QUAM, were to buy? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=hMdvEyTs8t690WAwd7BWmVkMM20qTb7_CRISDZTXYO1X0GfU X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel --Apple-Mail-46D268F4-A14C-4B4E-9BA4-701699AD43C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got mine from http://www.audiocubes2.com/product/Sony_SRF-AX15_FM,_AM_Poc= ket_Radio.html Dan Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Mar 2016, at 10:55 AM, 'D.J.J. Ring, Jr.' n1ea@arrl.net [amstereofor= um] wrote: >=20 > Doesn't this one do AM? >=20 > http://hdradio.com/get-a-radio/home-radio/sparc-am/fm-radio-w/alarm >=20 > DAVID >=20 >> On Mar 5, 2016 8:08 PM, "keith beesley keith1226@yahoo.com [amstereoforu= m]" wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi Theo, >>=20 >> Unfortunately, I don't think anyone is still selling new HD radios that = receive the medium wave band. HD never really caught on here. bestbuy.com s= ells some HD table radios, but they are FM HD only. I occasionally see them= on websites that sell used merchandise, such as Ebay. >>=20 >> Good luck, >>=20 >> Keith >>=20 >>=20 >> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 10:23 AM, "pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum]" <= amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I was wondering that I cant find new C-QUAM radio's. >> What I understood is that HD radio support C-QUAM, but were to buy? >>=20 >> In Europa is HD radio never introduced be course of DRM. >> And radio's for C-QUAM are not for sale here in Europa. >> So were to buy is the question :-) >>=20 >> Theo >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-46D268F4-A14C-4B4E-9BA4-701699AD43C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dan

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On 6 Mar 2016, at 10:55 AM,= 'D.J.J. Ring, Jr.' n1ea@arrl.net [ams= tereoforum] <amstereofo= rum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Doesn't this one do AM?

http://hdradio.com/get-a-radio/home-radio/sparc-am/fm-r= adio-w/alarm

DAVID

On Mar 5, 2016 8:08 PM, "keith beesley keith1226@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" &l= t;amstereoforum@yahoogroup= s.com> wrote:
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Hi Theo,

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone is = still selling new HD radios that receive the medium wave band. HD never rea= lly caught on here. bestbu= y.com sells some HD table radios, but they are FM HD only. I occasional= ly see them on websites that sell used merchandise, such as Ebay.

Good luck,

Keith

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The audio cubes link came from a direct Google. You can't navi= gate to it from the website so the radio may not be available. Sent from my iPhone > On 7 Mar 2016, at 7:27 PM, jim smith jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net [amstere= oforum] wrote: >=20 > Hi Guys Damed reply is not working. Some one posted that Audio Cubes 2 = is still working? I would love to buy another Sony SRF A300!!! I realy like= d that one but last I saw they wanted over $200 bucks for the damed thing. = Jim Smith >=20 --Apple-Mail-12F50FAD-0B84-4568-8BD0-AB360122619A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi Guys  Damed reply is not working.  Some one&nb= sp;posted that Audio Cubes 2 is still working? I would love to buy another = Sony SRF A300!!! I realy liked that one but last I saw they wanted over $20= 0 bucks for the damed thing. Jim Smith

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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=sHSUborCrveVPYi5VLw5Vj26zKlGmP0dioA49RDzYxcP3OI X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." --001a113e5ed875b11d052d7a77c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I found this list from the Hi-Fi AM Yahoo Group: AM STEREO RECEIVERS Some of the receivers that are capable to decode AM CQUAM Stereo broadcast are the following: Carver TX11a, TX11b, Sony ST JX220A, ST JX520A, Sony SRF-A100, Sherwood TD130SB, Jc Penny -Technics MCS3050, Denon TU-680NAB, DENON TU-1500, Fanfare FTA100 P, TEAC T30, TEAC T60, METROSOUND AMS400, Kraco ETR-1084, Becker Grand Prix 754, AIWA CR-S8, AIWA HX-RX626, Yamaha T420A, Panasonic - Matsushita RX-FT53, Panasonic RX-DS15, Panasonic RX-ED57, Panasonic RF-HS70 (the only known digital PLL pocket size walkman type), Aiwa CR-DS805, Sony SRFA300, SRF- AX51V, MEDUCCI AMX-2000, Delco UX-1, Sherwood CRD180, Sansui TU-D99AMX, Sansui TU-S77AMX, Sony SRF 42A, Sony SRF-A1 Walkmans, SONY SRF-AX15, SONY SRF-42, Realistic TM-152, JVC RC-QS11, Pioneer F-D3, Pioneer KE- 8003ZH, EUROVOX MCC-6701V, SONY SRF-M100 (audio cassette size), Aiwa CSD-SR80, Aiwa CR-D60 and hundred other brands and models! A unique radio for receiving CQUAM AM STEREO is the SDR (Software Defined Radio) SoDiRa DE1103DRM that is also capable to receive DRM broadcasts! More information about it can be found at: http://www.dsp4swls.de/sodira/sodiraeng.html For more info about the available SONY portable AM STEREO models, see the SONY Japan catalog: http://www.ecat.sony.co.jp/search.cfm?skwd=AM%83X%83e%83%8C% 83I&input2.x=15&input2.y=5 For Panasonic: http://prodb.matsushita.co.jp/product/info.do?pg=04&hb=RX-FT53 For DENON: http://denon.jp/products/TU1500.html For Pioneer: http://www3.pioneer.co.jp/product/product_info.php? product_no=00000126&cate_cd=035&option_no=0 --001a113e5ed875b11d052d7a77c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 I found this list from the Hi-Fi AM Yahoo Group:

AM STEREO RECEIVERS
Some of the receivers that are capable to decode AM CQUAM Stereo
broadcast are the following:
Carver TX11a, TX11b, Sony ST JX220A, ST JX520A, Sony SRF-A100,
Sherwood TD130SB, Jc Penny -Technics MCS3050,
Denon TU-680NAB, DENON TU-1500, Fanfare FTA100 P, TEAC T30, TEAC T60,
METROSOUND AMS400,
Kraco ETR-1084, Becker Grand Prix 754, AIWA CR-S8, AIWA HX-RX626,
Yamaha T420A,
Panasonic - Matsushita RX-FT53, Panasonic RX-DS15, Panasonic RX-ED57,
Panasonic RF-HS70 (the only known digital
PLL pocket size walkman type), Aiwa CR-DS805, Sony SRFA300, SRF-
AX51V, MEDUCCI AMX-2000, Delco UX-1,
Sherwood CRD180, Sansui TU-D99AMX, Sansui TU-S77AMX, Sony SRF 42A,
Sony SRF-A1 Walkmans, SONY SRF-AX15,
SONY SRF-42, Realistic TM-152, JVC RC-QS11, Pioneer F-D3, Pioneer KE-
8003ZH, EUROVOX MCC-6701V,
SONY SRF-M100 (audio cassette size), Aiwa CSD-SR80, Aiwa CR-D60
and hundred other brands and models!

A unique radio for receiving CQUAM AM STEREO is the SDR (Software
Defined Radio) SoDiRa DE1103DRM that is also capable to receive DRM
broadcasts! More information about it can be found at:
http://www.dsp4swls.de/sodira/sodiraeng.html

For more info about the available SONY portable AM STEREO models, see
the SONY Japan catalog:
http://www.ecat.sony.co.jp/search.cfm?skwd=AM%83X%83e%83%8C%
83I&input2.x=15&input2.y=5

For Panasonic:
http://prodb.matsushita.co.jp/product/info.do?pg=04&hb=RX-FT53

For DENON:
http://denon.jp/products/TU1500.html

For Pioneer:
http://www3.pioneer.co.jp/product/product_info.php?
product_no=00000126&cate_cd=035&option_no=0



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Pity about the programming though. =20 Best regards to Donn in Florida, Johnny Electron in Toledo, Jay on the East= Coast, and UK Dave =E2=80=A6 who=E2=80=99s been a great supporter without = a station. =20 And to the host Kevin, who=E2=80=99s done a very good job. =20 Cheers from Downunder! =20 Ian Melbourne=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D18467.2740A160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Greetings from Melbourne, Oz.

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Wh= at a sensational hit the above number was.=C2=A0 David Soul didn=E2=80=99t = have a great singing voice but reached the notes.=C2=A0 But thanks to a pre= tty good song and a wonderful orchestral backing it was a one hit wonder (f= orgetting about Silver Lady =E2=80=A6 which was forgettable).=C2=A0 I=E2=80= =99ve always loved the oboes, French horns, and strings.<= /p>

 

I joined the = AMS fight in 2000.=C2=A0 I enjoyed it.=C2=A0 Many of us around the world cr= eated the IAAAS =E2=80=93 The Association for the Advancement of AM Stereo.=

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It is dead here now.=C2=A0 Much as Melbourne had eight AMS stations i= n 1985, they continued to drop off until Magic 693 pulled the AMS plug in 2= 006 when it was forced to move to 1278 Khz.=C2=A0

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We now have DAB+ di= gital radio and it sounds pretty good to me =E2=80=93 as in hifi and stereo= .=C2=A0 Pity about the programming though.

 

Best regards to Donn in Flo= rida, Johnny Electron in Toledo, Jay on the East Coast, and UK Dave =E2=80= =A6 who=E2=80=99s been a great supporter without a station.

 

And to the= host Kevin, who=E2=80=99s done a very good job.

 

Cheers from Downunder= !

 

Ian

Melbourne

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Hey,
Glad to hear from you Ian.
Hope you have a nice Easter down under, although it's probably getting cooler there now, isn't it?
We still have some AM stereo here in the States and Canada- and some of the "HD radio" AM transmitters have a menu to deselect HD and select  'analog stereo'!
Cheers,
JohnnyElectron
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Hi Gang  Long time sense I posted here .  According to Wikipedia  old KJUG AM 1270  now KVMI MY 97.5 FM 1270 AM  Tulare Ca  is still in C-QuAM AM STEREO. They are still a music station. No more classic country though. Jim Smith 
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I acquired a working AM stereo exciter , rack mount, 19 " wide and= about 14" tall. 15 inches deep.
about 35/  40 pound= s.
This was from one of our local AM radio stations here = in Cleveland Ohio.
I tested it and it provides about 4 wa= tts (digital) RF

I fed audio in and wa= s able to listen on a stereo am receiver. I believe its on 970 KHz. (i beli= eve it can be changed by dip switches)

If you have any interest send me an email and I will provide pictures and = more information and such.

asking $200=   plus shipping.  


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I acquired a working AM stereo exciter , rack mount, 19 " wide and= about 14" tall. 15 inches deep.
about 35/  40 pound= s.
This was from one of our local AM radio stations here = in Cleveland Ohio.
I tested it and it provides about 4 wa= tts (digital) RF

I fed audio in and wa= s able to listen on a stereo am receiver. I believe its on 970 KHz. (i beli= eve it can be changed by dip switches)

If you have any interest send me an email and I will provide pictures and = more information and such.

asking $200=   plus shipping.  


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From:<= /span> "Steve Preston steveophonic@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amste= reoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To:<= /span> amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Qualcom Stereo rack = mounted AM exciter forsale with manual

 
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By "standalone", I meant no other master/slave peripherals = have to plug in to make it operate.  


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Thursday, June 9, 2016, 12:58 PM, allen= tuc@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wro= te:
 
=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20
I acquired a working= AM stereo exciter , rack mount, 19 " wide and about 14" tall. 15 inches de= ep.
about 35/  40 pounds.
This was= from one of our local AM radio stations here in Cleveland Ohio.
I tested it and it provides about 4 watts (digital) RF

I fed audio in and was able to listen on a ste= reo am receiver. I believe its on 970 KHz. (i believe it can be changed by = dip switches)

If you have any interest= send me an email and I will provide pictures and more information and such= .

asking $200  plus shipping.&nbs= p; 

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I believe = its on 970 KHz. (i believe it can be changed by dip switches) >=20 > If you have any interest send me an email and I will provide pictures and= more information and such. >=20 > asking $200 plus shipping.=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-26277320-BEE2-42B3-AD49-65E05ACCD35D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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This was= from one of our local AM radio stations here in Cleveland Ohio.
I tested it and it provides about 4 watts (digital) RF

I fed audio in and was able to listen on a ste= reo am receiver. I believe its on 970 KHz. (i believe it can be changed by = dip switches)

If you have any interest= send me an email and I will provide pictures and more information and such= .

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26104  Parkersburg, WV.    Thanks


From: "ALLEN TUCHOLSKI allentuc@sbcglobal= .net [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 9, = 2016 7:25 PM
Subject: = Re: {AMSF} Qualcom Stereo rack mounted AM exciter forsale with manual
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What is your address and zip code
It would be fedex or ups ground I would need = a box and packing but I can give you a rough estimate 
Allen
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On Jun 9, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Steve Pr= eston steveophon= ic@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wr= ote:

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Ca= n you get the shipping cost together and can we do Paypal?



From: "Steve Presto= n steveophonic@y= ahoo.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereofor= um@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 3:18 PM
= Subject: Re: {AMSF} Qualcom St= ereo rack mounted AM exciter forsale with manual
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By "standalone", I meant no other master/slave peripherals = have to plug in to make it operate.  


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On Thursday, June 9, 2016, = 12:58 PM, allent= uc@sbcglobal.net [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>= ; wrote:
 
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I acqui= red a working AM stereo exciter , rack mount, 19 " wide and about 14" tall.= 15 inches deep.
about 35/  40 pounds.
This was from one of our local AM radio stations here in Cleveland Ohi= o.
I tested it and it provides about 4 watts (digital) RF=

I fed audio in and was able to listen= on a stereo am receiver. I believe its on 970 KHz. (i believe it can be ch= anged by dip switches)

If you have any= interest send me an email and I will provide pictures and more information= and such.

asking $200  plus ship= ping.  

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From: "setxtelecom@gmail.com [ams= tereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 9:07 = AM
Subject: {AMSF} KLL= S now in CQUAM

 
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Musicradio Double-L = S, KLLS, Lumberton /Beaumont, TX joined the CQUAM ranks as of 12:01am 6= /26/16...playing Classic Top40 from the 60s to 90s and more
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Ring, Jr." Where do we find Meduci's AMST list? My tuner is sad as WJIB went off AMS and nothing is left since WBZ went digital. David Ring Green Harbor, MA On 06/27/2016 09:00 AM, toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: >=20 >=20 > Make sure that our friend Meduci in Michigan adds this station to his > AMST listing- a new area in search of AMS tuners! >=20 >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pe1opq@veron.nl Mon Jun 27 11:01:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9623 invoked by uid 102); 27 Jun 2016 18:01:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2016 18:01:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25421 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2016 18:01:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1002.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.170.166) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2016 18:01:13 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoogroups.com designates 72.30.235.214 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: m14R1dkWLDumLfH4iZnrOFaeKEmprH0dXcbt5VawT7FSduEZ bdhu_ME33.B6JhDGYCTei1OL0AXx2FjK961oKhkFPy_WRR5IOhkr5XBJF0La GeJZ3MxPfHe67uj61Il6Cg.YBJeWVG6VeGPN3eCt0..r6acyeaAySCixJrkX oBS8SGVlbjY0bSe5VGs.6iAWH780Iik.REkS1oXOdh1HQPRij6AzqwIg9V5E ixtRcZh.auDcFObozInsvFOYKwHVYLX_3xIRPuJirpxNAbMzITz3iP83VmVZ n33j7VWzeek2TRitnVcdz6XqCgRhi.NQCeEXVJqcDw2GC67MhdsxWns1jVbl fgdYAZCtI7Ovd8UVn3SaK065B5DK2_5qVzdE4c8I_WwPU22YiZyFkq1.kymD uG4M9bN9md.SxeSfsq7mh4ZnCeed35gLCy.ukq7_bhI029F_P2hTrFgn_eg5 DuMTrj9gOfjGShgQ8Q5r7hLKXxVRtH6a8MnyesmT6JVwcb_C3Z.MMDlFEloi qAzE1Okd8MrYh.0tfY3AVY_VUYhCrXOGCHMWLncbe2uQsE_.kGqN3jen9Mei M6Jd_DCPVVZSOF84VokDs.4kvNKoceMeJahTJvQSGPogqBgMLoR_mwA8XnPe gccJw80j1aa5Z21jh1127g1raqwTy4k.vENR6HJYp3u5TZo6qVH0hEFEVBUM mrRAWlmIusAKsdyIRh1SyZ4qfiesjV_u77dYXDJeOWmRH9E3TQZ5X9ykeHsZ kVG5QVaTKBj78UkWkIbxLzb.Y6R97WvE_r5Ry4POSSJQercKFCyDTslq9cCJ HH.2u1g_ZlonnrcwK2EOiZS5vLOojgdVXAJnZuVcSdGwitZfposjp5BM9X.u eSl8Oz28FKPB5NqxgHuep1BpP4hnDXuLfvRUfJiG7hhdvJamsfZAZ3tyLsMb _9OTVuBPkkova9V1KnFjriUb1ByKc1.imSQ1Aqd43eToZdnnfmio7wRwupcc 4_TBvEzbg5ge5G2.vNNPlyPSyrDxly20o5s0RGvBIAADSRzk_LMtTSbnoWCk BgEfH0OyHMTDVwzvCkemG95MViv6JBTKVl39MjllKGRKET6_.l3agv0LLQuo YHPVTi.oDbNxRxd0Jm7f8HhlEXo_oeAuncnEMlsHsL0XD7lliFtt5epDCCl1 h7YZAGXSZ9RGcg5q1Itxyle8b9jxD.LHW9Gv91cBfB1oq5npvFsZZ1I8no47 yRIye5W0kWw0V6RPgKROMIY4b2l5N7Ama.jq40a5J4uFZVy9c1YCINMs8ZKm ecNHGS5f7rcy9xr4kGEBFK4qa7tgDv5dYMNIZvGrIqE66zFBSa5UtHMgglBV gk.ycYmY Authentication-Results: mta1002.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com from=yahoogroups.com; 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Could you tell us more about your station as I don't believe 25 watts will = quite get you here into MidAmerica. Australia may be the Land Down Under but its neighbor New Zealand is truly = the Land of Wonder. Mike -----Original Message----- From: pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 1:01 pm Subject: {AMSF} yes licensed =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 licensed! Yes it worked, TPOT radio has a broadcasting licence. The frequency is 747 KHz and of course in C-CUAM ability is 25 watts carrie= r. I'm happy. Theo =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_8583_1345287982.1467051368511 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations!

Could you tell us more about your station as I don't believe 25 watts = will quite get you here into MidAmerica.

Australia may be the Land Down Under but its neighbor New Zealand is t= ruly the Land of Wonder.

Mike


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From: pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>=
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
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licensed!
Yes it worked, TPOT radio has a broadcasting licence.
The frequency is 747 KHz and of course in C-CUAM ability is 25 watts carrie= r.
I'm happy.

Theo

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Congratulations, Theo!

David

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licensed!
Yes it worked, TPOT radio has a broadcasting licence.=
The frequency is 747 KHz and of course in C-CUAM ability is 25 watts ca= rrier.
I'm happy.

Theo




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Mike -----Original Message----- From: pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 1:01 pm Subject: {AMSF} yes licensed =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 licensed! Yes it worked, TPOT radio has a broadcasting licence. The frequency is 747 KHz and of course in C-CUAM ability is 25 watts carrie= r. I'm happy. Theo =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_37826_270040343.1467383785678 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What kind of antenna are yo= u using and how is it working for you?  747 kilohertz is fairly low wi= th a sizable wavelength.  \what kind of groundwave coverage are you ge= tting?

Mike




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From: pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>=
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Subject: {AMSF} yes licensed

 
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licensed!
Yes it worked, TPOT radio has a broadcasting licence.
The frequency is 747 KHz and of course in C-CUAM ability is 25 watts carrie= r.
I'm happy.

Theo

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------=_Part_39529_1201158840.1467395013001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's great and with a ground counterpoise. Isn't the signal directional = in the horizontal plane? I assume you use an antenna tuner. Have you meas= ured the antenna's feed-point impedance? You will have to post your first QSL request. I'm interest to see if you g= et any skywave reports. Mike -----Original Message----- From: pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Fri, Jul 1, 2016 12:27 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} yes licensed =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi all, First thanks for the congratulations! Now I will try to gif some answer. The ground-wave reach over the 20 kilometers, that mean a good reception. =20 The technical aspect, the antenna is a L antenna, 18 meters vertical end 32= horizontal. https://youtu.be/d7io1Tqki0M This the pa, running on only 25 watts, but can make 250 carrier and modulat= es up to over the1 Kw. https://youtu.be/tqRTVN12UEk The sound processing https://youtu.be/o7g6-25S9pc http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd436/radioTheePot/DSC05154.jpg =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd436/radioTheeP...=20=20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 View on i1219.photobucket.com=20=20=20=20=20 =20 =20 =20 Preview by Yahoo=20=20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 &nb sp; http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd436/radioTheePot/DSC05146.jpg =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd436/radioTheeP...=20=20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 View on i1219.photobucket.com=20=20=20=20=20 =20 =20 =20 Preview by Yahoo=20=20=20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 The tuner http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd436/radioTheePot/DSCF7550.jpg =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd436/radioTheeP...=20=20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 View on i1219.photobucket.com=20=20=20=20=20 =20 =20 =20 Preview by Yahoo=20=20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 The for mosfets SD2933 If you want to know more, please ask. Greetings, Theo =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_39529_1201158840.1467395013001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's great and with a gro= und counterpoise.  Isn't the signal directional in the horizontal plan= e?  I assume you use an antenna tuner.  Have you measured the ant= enna's feed-point impedance?

You will have to post your first QSL request.  I'm interest to se= e if you get any skywave reports.

Mike


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To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 1, 2016 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: {AMSF} yes licensed

 
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Hi all,

First thanks for the congratulations!
Now I will try to gif some answer.
The ground-wave reach over the 20 kilometers, that mean a good reception.  
The technical aspect, the antenna is a L antenna, 18 meters vertical end 32= horizontal.
https://youtu.be/d7io1Tqki0M
This the pa, running on only 25 watts, but can make 250 carrier and modulat= es up to over the1 Kw.
https://youtu.be/tqRTVN12UEk
The sound processing
https://youtu.be/o7g6-25S9pc
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums= /dd436/radioTheePot/DSC05154.jpg
&nb sp;
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums= /dd436/radioTheePot/DSC05146.jpg
 
The tuner
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums= /dd436/radioTheePot/DSCF7550.jpg
 
The for mosfets SD2933

If you want to know more, please ask.

Greetings,
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Don't need on= e, but I know some of the Delco's have anti-theft that prevents transplanti= ng radios. Found that out from getting radios from salvage yards. I think= it can be defeated but I personally don't know how. Mike -----Original Message----- From: dannibou@yahoo.ca [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2016 12:45 pm Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo car radio =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 I have a delco car radio that was salvaged from an old oldsmobile ( I think= ) and I don't need it. Anyone interested let me know. I have photos but I = think attachments are not permitted here. Danny =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_60005_1496325024.1467607496402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a 94 Buick Roadmaste= r with the Delco AM Stereo radio.  Don't need one, but I know some of = the Delco's have anti-theft that prevents transplanting radios.  Found= that out from getting radios from salvage yards.  I think it can be d= efeated but I personally don't know how.

Mike


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I think it was a 1996 Caddy radio that I made the mistake of buying- it had a great AMAX Stereo circuit in it - BUT, unless you had the radio able to 'match' the car's VIN number, you couldn't run it, and I never found a way to bypass that unfortunately :(
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There is a way to bypass the security feature= , but I don't know what it is. You might check with a salvage yard. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2016 12:20 am Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo car radio =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 I think it was a 1996 Caddy radio that I made the mistake of buying- it h= ad a great AMAX Stereo circuit in it - BUT, unless you had the radio able t= o 'match' the car's VIN number, you couldn't run it, and I never found a wa= y to bypass that unfortunately :( =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_71781_1515661776.1467696397069 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's what I was afraid of= .  There is a way to bypass the security feature, but I don't know wha= t it is.  You might check with a salvage yard.

Mike


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I think it was a 1996 Caddy radio that I mad= e the mistake of buying- it had a great AMAX Stereo circuit in it - BUT, un= less you had the radio able to 'match' the car's VIN number, you couldn't r= un it, and I never found a way to bypass that unfortunately :(
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Ring, Jr." --94eb2c07377e889dca0536e61d6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is horrible! A fabulous radio paralyzed by VIN matching. David On Jul 5, 2016 1:20 AM, "John toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I think it was a 1996 Caddy radio that I made the mistake of buying- it > had a great AMAX Stereo circuit in it - BUT, unless you had the radio abl= e > to 'match' the car's VIN number, you couldn't run it, and I never found a > way to bypass that unfortunately :( > > >=20 > --94eb2c07377e889dca0536e61d6f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That is horrible!=C2=A0 A fabulous radio paralyzed by VIN ma= tching.

David

On Jul 5, 2016 1:20 AM, "John toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]= " <amstereoforum@y= ahoogroups.com> wrote:
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I think it was a 1996 Caddy radio that I made the m= istake of buying- it had a great AMAX Stereo circuit in it - BUT, unless yo= u had the radio able to 'match' the car's VIN number, you could= n't run it, and I never found a way to bypass that unfortunately :(

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Hello All,
Nothing much happing on the AM radio 'round these parts.  Not much music to listen to since the local Radio Disney was sold; the rest of the locals adding more & more sports & talk.
 
There is a new upload from Stereo Review magazine from June of 1984.   Christopher Greenleaf tests the Sansui CX-990 AM stereo car radio / tape player.  Sorry about all the underlining.  I used this article back in the day to prove that AM radio is not an inferior medium, there are just inferior receivers.
 
I hope you enjoy the read.
 
Have a good Friday & a great weekend,
Radioguy50c5
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Hi Gang,
Resending this.  Don't think it sent the first time, but if it did, sorry for the redundancy.
 
Hi Guys,
Nothing much happing on the AM radio 'round these parts.  Not much music to listen to since the local Radio Disney was sold; the rest of the locals adding more & more sports & talk.
 
There is a new upload from Stereo Review magazine from June of 1984.   Christopher Greenleaf tests the Sansui CX-990 AM stereo car radio / tape player.  Sorry about all the underlining.  I used this article back in the day to prove that AM radio is not an inferior medium, there are just inferior receivers.
 
I hope you enjoy the read.
 
Have a good Friday & a great weekend,
Radioguy50c5
 
 
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Hi Mike,
 
Really don't  know.  I used to listen to them, but then the PA Turnpike decided to put a "traveler information" loop on @ 1640.  Could not get them ever since.  Worst part, all the recording tells you is not to text while driving & what to do if you get into a wreck.  24/7.  Could be a ten mile pile up, but you would not know it listening to that.
 
My bright spot was CFZM 740 Toronto, but the family has been pummeling my home with so many noise making digital gizmos, it is now near impossible.
 
Any ideas on how to make a good outdoor antenna & lead it in that way?  Random wire?  Hula hoop?  I don't know.  Any help is appreciated.
Joe R.
 
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Subject: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ?


A bright spot on my radio dial was KCJJ 1630 out of Iowa City.  Not only AM Stereo, but excellent signal processing, and a great contemporary music format.  It has truly remarkably nightime signal coverage.  It seems to have disappeared.
 
Mike
 
 
 
 

 
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=__fZVrnI8oVR7LvR4Yzi4ZFFqY5CokrINJkKelj8QprrTnHjEBQhILH2LCvRjBKq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ------=_Part_14295_1911139240.1471054685869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought that was what they gave those road guys 530 and 1610 for? There = must be a network for traffic information systems as ours has the exact sam= e content. We have 530 here with leaky coax buried in the highway. Noisy = as all heck. However, it beats listen to Talk Radio most of the time. Does WLS 890 out of Chicago still broadcast in AM Stereo at night? I'm in = the Greater St. Louis area about 250 miles southwest of the \windy City. T= he Big 89 doesn't deliver the signal here it once did Mike -----Original Message----- From: 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Cc: amstereoforum Sent: Fri, Aug 12, 2016 8:19 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ? =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Mike, =20 Really don't know. I used to listen to them, but then the PA Turnpike dec= ided to put a "traveler information" loop on @ 1640. Could not get them ev= er since. Worst part, all the recording tells you is not to text while dri= ving & what to do if you get into a wreck. 24/7. Could be a ten mile pile= up, but you would not know it listening to that. =20 My bright spot was CFZM 740 Toronto, but the family has been pummeling my h= ome with so many noise making digital gizmos, it is now near impossible. =20 Any ideas on how to make a good outdoor antenna & lead it in that way? Ran= dom wire? Hula hoop? I don't know. Any help is appreciated. Joe R. =20 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 at 8:56 PM From: "Mjgrant mjgrant@aol.com [amstereoforum]" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ? A bright spot on my radio dial was KCJJ 1630 out of Iowa City. Not only AM= Stereo, but excellent signal processing, and a great contemporary music fo= rmat. It has truly remarkably nightime signal coverage. It seems to have = disappeared.=20 =20 =20 Mike =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_14295_1911139240.1471054685869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought that was what the= y gave those road guys 530 and 1610 for?  There must be a network for = traffic information systems as ours has the exact same content.  We ha= ve 530 here with leaky coax buried in the highway.  Noisy as all heck.=  However, it beats listen to Talk Radio most of the time.

Does WLS 890 out of Chicago still broadcast in AM Stereo at night? &nb= sp;I'm in the Greater St. Louis area about 250 miles southwest of the \wind= y City.  The Big 89 doesn't deliver the signal here it once did

Mike


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Really don't  know.  I used to listen to them, but then the = PA Turnpike decided to put a "traveler information" loop on @ 1640.  C= ould not get them ever since.  Worst part, all the recording tells you= is not to text while driving & what to do if you get into a wreck.&nbs= p; 24/7.  Could be a ten mile pile up, but you would not know it liste= ning to that.
 
My bright spot was CFZM 740 Toronto, but the family has been pummeling= my home with so many noise making digital gizmos, it is now near impossibl= e.
 
Any ideas on how to make a good outdoor antenna & lead it in that = way?  Random wire?  Hula hoop?  I don't know.  Any help= is appreciated.
Joe R.
 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016= at 8:56 PM
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To: amstereofo= rum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ?


A bright spot on my radio d= ial was KCJJ 1630 out of Iowa City.  Not only AM Stereo, but excellent= signal processing, and a great contemporary music format.  It has tru= ly remarkably nightime signal coverage.  It seems to have disappeared.=
 
Mike
 
 
 
 

 
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=rvBIx1Oe9QJkA2hP4RJCzah3NhIaDQKJwZOSS1H-8CSUCA83KZuhlCoEyfaS0kkv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ------=_Part_30464_1096596934.1471192423786 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Didn't somebody make a super sensitive ulra expensive AM antenna that had = a massive rotable ferrite bar and tunable low noise preamp? McKay somethin= g or another. Mike -----Original Message----- From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Sun, Aug 14, 2016 10:25 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ? =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 I still have a Terk AM antenna. It's tunable and has a connector for an ex= ternal hook-up.=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_30464_1096596934.1471192423786 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Didn't somebody make a supe= r sensitive ulra expensive  AM antenna that had a massive rotable ferr= ite bar and tunable low noise preamp?  McKay something or another.

Mike


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Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ?

 
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I still have a Terk AM antenna.  It's tunable and has a connector= for an external hook-up.  
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Oh yeah, Mckay Dymek, or something like that.  Like you say, very expensive & very rare.  I saw one once on the web & was shocked at the asking price.  And that was years ago.
Have a good day,
Joe R.
 
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Didn't somebody make a super sensitive ulra expensive  AM antenna that had a massive rotable ferrite bar and tunable low noise preamp?  McKay something or another.
 
Mike

 
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I still have a Terk AM antenna.  It's tunable and has a connector for an external hook-up.  
 

 
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Hi Robert,
Yeah, I have one of these, it is branded Grundig.  I do like it a lot.  It works well in locations where the noise is low to moderate. 
Where I do most listening though, the noise level is quite high from equipment i cant control.  I want to try bringing in more signal from the outside, where noise is lower.
The idea of an outdoor loop sounds like something I will need to look into.  Thanks for your help.
Have a good day,
Joe R.
 
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My favorite loop as far as price and ease of use is the AN-200 antenna. Formaly known as AN-100. Before that there was the select-A-tenna. All fairly simmilar, however some have antenna connections, and some do not.
Google "AN-200 antenna" and you will see what I am talking about.
Be aware of RFI (radio noise interference) generating devices, and find the lowest noise level location in your home and try it.
If that doesnt work, I guess I would try a loop antenna outdoors AWAY from your home. However, this wont be as easy or cheap. Again check to see if it has an antenna connector, as inductive coupling wont work here.
73
Robert
KJ6JJK
 
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Hi Scott,
That shielded loop sounds like what I need.  Like you mentioned, the indoor loop helps, but brings up noise as well.  I have found I can position it to phase out the noise, but you need a pretty strong signal to still hear the station.  I will look into this as you suggested.  Thank you for your help.
 
As for KCJJ, I think the changes you mention are too bad.  Broadcasters are going to have have programming people WANT to hear.  (Big shout out to Ziggy here -)).  Otherwise even the most die hard AMers are just going to give up.
 
To all the gang,
I noticed on Yahoo groups there is another AM stereo group (where digital is dead).  Anyone join it yet?
Thank you all for your help.
Joe R.
 
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From: "scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ?


To answer a few of the replies, KCJJ dropped stereo a couple years back and is mostly talk now so you're not missing much anymore.  Supposedly there were a few coverage issues around town even on mono radios that occurred in electrically noisy locations.

Seems many if not most good DX stations from years gone by are harder to hear now.  I fully attribute that to the increased noise floor on the band.  For those wanting an outdoor loop, try a shielded loop.  Just Google the term and you'll find all sorts of plans.  If you've know someone who is an electrician and can bend a section of electrical conduit into a loop, so much the better.  The gap goes at the top and you'd cut a notch opposite it and feed your wires through there.  Cuts way down on interference unlike a Select-A-Tenna which will bring up the noise along with the signal.

Scott Todd
 
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EkLnAp9qU9P0NN3UQ4CKgVTOpqLcQZrQ8MX_QsVceimyA01rh3BdLk2xyKCSgF3n X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ------=_Part_45069_1150862875.1471287920006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was back in the late-60s, early 70s. It had a "rare" mosfet preamp an= d a ferrite rod the size of a cigarette carton. It got rave reviews. Toda= y, I don't think it so much a lack o signal so much as it is the raising of= noise. Our local CIass III Regionals are getting authorizations to go to = 50kW. That's just tail-chasing in my book. Just taking the clutter up 10d= B. When a station like KCJJ has coverage issues in a town the size of Iowa Cit= y with 10kW of daytime power, something is wrong. We have an Oldies statio= n going to 50kW. They already sound like a Border Blaster in the days of t= he Wolfman. Not the signal strentht but the signal processing. It has the= dynamics of a cell phone if that much. i don't know if its for nostalgia = authenticity reason (they like to pretend Ike is still in the White House) = or they have a cheapo processor. KCJJ had explosive dynamics and sounded g= reat. Does anyone know if WLS 890 still broadcasts in AM Stereo at night and if t= here programming is stereo? Mike -----Original Message----- From: 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Cc: amstereoforum Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 1:11 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ? =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Oh yeah, Mckay Dymek, or something like that. Like you say, very expensive= & very rare. I saw one once on the web & was shocked at the asking price.= And that was years ago. Have a good day, Joe R. =20 Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:33 PM From: "Mjgrant mjgrant@aol.com [amstereoforum]" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ? Didn't somebody make a super sensitive ulra expensive AM antenna that had = a massive rotable ferrite bar and tunable low noise preamp? McKay somethin= g or another.=20 =20 =20 Mike =20 -----Original Message----- From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Sun, Aug 14, 2016 10:25 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ? =20 =20=20 I still have a Terk AM antenna. It's tunable and has a connector for an ex= ternal hook-up.=20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_45069_1150862875.1471287920006 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was back in the late-6= 0s, early 70s.  It had a "rare" mosfet preamp and a ferrite rod the si= ze of a cigarette carton.  It got rave reviews.  Today, I don't t= hink it so much a lack o signal so much as it is the raising of noise. &nbs= p;Our local CIass III Regionals are getting authorizations to go to 50kW. &= nbsp;That's just tail-chasing in my book.  Just taking the clutter up = 10dB.

When a station like KCJJ has coverage issues in a town the size of Iow= a City with 10kW of daytime power, something is wrong.  We have an Old= ies station going to 50kW.  They already sound like a Border Blaster i= n the days of the Wolfman.  Not the signal strentht but the signal pro= cessing.  It has the dynamics of a cell phone if that much.  i do= n't know if its for nostalgia authenticity reason (they like to pretend Ike= is still in the White House) or they have a cheapo processor.  KCJJ h= ad explosive dynamics and sounded great.

Does anyone know if WLS 890 still broadcasts in AM Stereo at night and= if there programming is stereo?

Mike


-----= Original Message-----
From: 'Joseph Rouse' jmrouse@mail.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yah= oogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ?

 
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Oh yeah, Mckay Dymek, or something like that.  Like you say, very= expensive & very rare.  I saw one once on the web & was shock= ed at the asking price.  And that was years ago.
Have a good day,
Joe R.
 
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Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ?


Didn't somebody make a supe= r sensitive ulra expensive  AM antenna that had a massive rotable ferr= ite bar and tunable low noise preamp?  McKay something or another.
 
Mike

 
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I still have a Terk AM= antenna.  It's tunable and has a connector for an external hook-up. &= nbsp;
 

 
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I dont know about WLS, but I am glad you brought up the subject of power / coverage ratio.  In Philly there was a station on 950 running 5000 watts.  They served the area quite well for as long as I can remember.  The format was Oldies then Nostalgia, then oldies again with C-Quam that sounded great in stereo or mono.
The station was sold to Family Radio & soon the power was upped to 46 or 47kw.  I cant figure why this is when 5k served for so many years. 
Noise levels?  Maybe, but I dont think that is a good solution.  It will just keep spiraling on & on.
Joe R.
 
 
 
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To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ?


That was back in the late-60s, early 70s.  It had a "rare" mosfet preamp and a ferrite rod the size of a cigarette carton.  It got rave reviews.  Today, I don't think it so much a lack o signal so much as it is the raising of noise.  Our local CIass III Regionals are getting authorizations to go to 50kW.  That's just tail-chasing in my book.  Just taking the clutter up 10dB.
 
When a station like KCJJ has coverage issues in a town the size of Iowa City with 10kW of daytime power, something is wrong.  We have an Oldies station going to 50kW.  They already sound like a Border Blaster in the days of the Wolfman.  Not the signal strentht but the signal processing.  It has the dynamics of a cell phone if that much.  i don't know if its for nostalgia authenticity reason (they like to pretend Ike is still in the White House) or they have a cheapo processor.  KCJJ had explosive dynamics and sounded great.
 
Does anyone know if WLS 890 still broadcasts in AM Stereo at night and if there programming is stereo?
 
Mike

 
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Oh yeah, Mckay Dymek, or something like that.  Like you say, very expensive & very rare.  I saw one once on the web & was shocked at the asking price.  And that was years ago.
Have a good day,
Joe R.
 
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To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ?


Didn't somebody make a super sensitive ulra expensive  AM antenna that had a massive rotable ferrite bar and tunable low noise preamp?  McKay something or another.
 
Mike

 
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Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ?
 
 
I still have a Terk AM antenna.  It's tunable and has a connector for an external hook-up.  
 

 
 
 
 

 
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fya0_PMxNRmLm12HSbzqIlx5ABy_TsWUPlArrh_nhdEQRkhhQkPOErLbpGxenWjG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ------=_Part_33065_1841189760.1471568860328 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember seeing KCJJ's former AM Stereo exciter on eBay not long ago. If= you are DX'ing for AM Stereo, can you tell me what you get on 890 WLS out = of Chicago? Mike -----Original Message----- From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Thu, Aug 18, 2016 1:58 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to KCJJ? =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Scott, I wonder if KCJJ is on a backup transmitter, or if they turned the e= xciter back on just to see if any of us noticed? I would drop them a line = if I can get them on skywave tonight. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_33065_1841189760.1471568860328 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember seeing KCJJ's fo= rmer AM Stereo exciter on eBay not long ago.  If you are DX'ing for AM= Stereo, can you tell me what you get on 890 WLS out of Chicago?

Mike







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Scott, I wonder if KCJJ is on a backup transmitter, or if they turned = the exciter back on just to see if any of us noticed?  I would drop th= em a line if I can get them on skywave tonight.

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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=1Skq9XFPLf-hCXbXoygiTbcFuyVIh0FOFiuqYSRyeUr3dZJZ7jcgt_E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From: John ------=_Part_16762767_1374808849.1471614666505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've had WLS on my car HD radio in CQUAM stereo the past 2 nights! All the= promos for their talk shows, and most commercial spots are in stereo.=C2= =A0 I've been pretty impressed.=C2=A0 To bad that Cumulus doesn't do that w= ith all their 50KW 1A AM stations (like WJR).=C2=A0 I was so busy listening= to WLS last night, I forgot all about trying KCJJ! ------=_Part_16762767_1374808849.1471614666505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I've had WLS on my car HD radio in CQUAM stereo the past 2 nights! All the promos for their talk shows, and most commercial spots are in stereo.  I've been pretty impressed.  To bad that Cumulus doesn't do that with all their 50KW 1A AM stations (like WJR).  I was so busy listening to WLS last night, I forgot all about trying KCJJ!
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u=7016370; y=0PbagO4zsjNe6EKyDiueFgoH3sazlKR8W8bou_7-wLE9VIS7Q9krkZPvsEGkLdz2 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ------=_Part_3914_481459544.1471647441274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have one of Chris Cuff's devices. It's output is for a 10 ft. wire anten= na and isn't matched to anything else if even that. I don't know there is = even a schematic for it.=20=20 Mike -----Original Message----- From: pe1opq@veron.nl [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2016 12:36 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: 5 watts Am Stereo =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 http://www.qrp-shop.biz/epages/qrp-shop.sf/de_DE/?ObjectID=3D3649626&ViewAc= tion=3DViewProduct greets, Theo =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_3914_481459544.1471647441274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have one of Chris Cuff's = devices.  It's output is for a 10 ft. wire antenna and isn't matched t= o anything else if even that.  I don't know there is even a schematic = for it.  

Mike


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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tmiU4SuvHx3xa1ASHJsvBEVMKmqGVhQGgC0tkXXCi_g5fIpwGj1qGhq0CSFrpSJ6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ------=_Part_3984_716210859.1471647888059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got a 2016 Buick Encore with the factory radio. How do you know if an= d when a HD radio is receiving receiving CQAM AM Stereo? My Buick Roadmast= er's factory radio just used the same "stereo" indicator as FM. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John toledohamradio@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2016 8:51 am Subject: {AMSF} Re: What happened to KCJJ? =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 I've had WLS on my car HD radio in CQUAM stereo the past 2 nights! All th= e promos for their talk shows, and most commercial spots are in stereo. I'= ve been pretty impressed. To bad that Cumulus doesn't do that with all the= ir 50KW 1A AM stations (like WJR). I was so busy listening to WLS last nig= ht, I forgot all about trying KCJJ! =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_3984_716210859.1471647888059 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got a 2016 Buick Encor= e with the factory radio.  How do you know if and when a HD radio is r= eceiving receiving CQAM AM Stereo?  My Buick Roadmaster's factory radi= o just used the same "stereo" indicator as FM.

Mike


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u=7016370; y=mp1s3HnqLutMCkm1Yj3ZwDc2t043_mYUaTCbJbNdtysDFLhZTeibUx6BKklo_lSn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ------=_Part_3925_1688629116.1472027267185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't understand your post. Schematic for the Chris Cuff unit? This was a number of years back, but at one time Linear Technology and a Da= mn Fast Buffer Amplifier (it's official name). LH00033 or something like t= hat. I could run untuned in and out. There are also amplifiers for drivi= ng standard frequency and modulation monitors from off the air signals.=20 I don't know what signal levels commercial AM Stereo exciters produced for = their CQUAM output. Maybe someone else does. I know it was enough to driv= e standard monitors..=20=20 Mike -----Original Message----- From: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 5:39 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5 watts Am Stereo =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 no pay, need schematic =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_3925_1688629116.1472027267185 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't understand your pos= t.  Schematic for the Chris Cuff unit?

This was a number of years back, but at one time Linear Technology and= a Damn Fast Buffer Amplifier (it's official name).  LH00033 or someth= ing like that.  I could run untuned in and out.  There are also a= mplifiers  for driving standard frequency and modulation monitors from= off the air signals. 

I don't know what signal levels commercial AM Stereo exciters produced= for their CQUAM output.  Maybe someone else does.  I know it was= enough to drive standard monitors..  

Mike


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This was a number of years back, but at one time Linear Technology and a Da= mn Fast Buffer Amplifier (it's official name). =C2=A0LH00033 or something l= ike that. =C2=A0I could run untuned in and out. =C2=A0There are also amplif= iers =C2=A0for driving standard frequency and modulation monitors from off = the air signals.=C2=A0 I don't know what signal levels commercial AM Stereo exciters produced for = their CQUAM output. =C2=A0Maybe someone else does. =C2=A0I know it was enou= gh to drive standard monitors.. =C2=A0 Mike -----Original Message----- From: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 5:39 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5 watts Am Stereo =C2=A0 no pay, need schematic -- #ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;= font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px so= lid #d8d8d8;}#ygrp-mkp #hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;lin= e-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#ygrp-mkp #ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#ygrp-mkp = .ad {padding:0 0;}#ygrp-mkp .ad p {margin:0;}#ygrp-mkp .ad a {color:#0000ff= ;text-decoration:none;}#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#ygrp-spo= nsor #ygrp-lc #hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-heigh= t:122%;}#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#action= s {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#activity {background= -color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}= #activity span {font-weight:700;}#activity span:first-child {text-transform= :uppercase;}#activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#activity= span span {color:#ff7900;}#activity span .underline {text-decoration:under= line;}.attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;pa= dding:10px 0;width:400px;}.attach div a {text-decoration:none;}.attach img = {border:none;padding-right:5px;}.attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:= 5px;}.attach label a {text-decoration:none;}blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}.= bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}.bold a {text-decor= ation:none;}dd.last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}dd.last p spa= n {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}dd.last p span.ys= hortcuts {margin-right:0;}div.attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;= }div.attach-table {width:400px;}div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active, = div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}div= .photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.phot= o-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.= yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}.green {= color:#628c2a;}.MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}o {font-size:0;}#photos div {flo= at:left;width:72px;}#photos div div {border:1px solid #666666;min-height:62= px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#photos div label {color:#666666;font-size:1= 0px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#reco-= category {font-size:77%;}#reco-desc {font-size:77%;}.replbq {margin:4px;}#y= grp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#ygrp-mlm= sg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#ygrp-m= lmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textare= a {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {fon= t:115% monospace;}#ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}#ygrp-mlmsg #logo {pad= ding-bottom:10px;}#ygrp-msg p a {font-family:Verdana;}#ygrp-msg p#attach-co= unt span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}#ygrp-reco #reco-head {color:#ff79= 00;font-weight:700;}#ygrp-reco {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}#ygrp-spons= or #ov li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}#ygrp-sponsor #ov li {fon= t-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#ygrp-sponsor #ov ul {marg= in:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}#ygrp-text {font-family:Georgia;}#ygrp-text p {marg= in:0 0 1em 0;}#ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {= border-right:none !important;} =20 ------=_Part_603558_1870444209.1472076808853 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My Harris exciter adjusts up to 4 watts output.  I've = heard 10 watts is common also. 


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I don't understand your post.  Schematic for the Chris Cuff u= nit?


This was a number of years back, but at one time Linear Technology and= a Damn Fast Buffer Amplifier (it's official name).  LH00033 or someth= ing like that.  I could run untuned in and out.  There are also a= mplifiers  for driving standard frequency and modulation monitors from= off the air signals. 

I don't know what signal levels commercial AM Stereo exciters produced= for their CQUAM output.  Maybe someone else does.  I know it was= enough to drive standard monitors..  

Mike


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Thu, 25 Aug 2016 02:51:22 +0000; 1472093482.546 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 02:51:21 +0000 (UTC) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: <1864620398.778444.1472093481934.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_778443_2052614823.1472093481933" References: <1864620398.778444.1472093481934.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Length: 1463 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.81 Reply-To: Steve Preston Subject: Re: 5 watts Am Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=462139290; y=GM2BEkqYsfWP1tjBedrNDkkvM-vzUnwaVkPNcEJsntqG-bTXHkPS X-Yahoo-Profile: steveophonic From: Steve Preston ------=_Part_778443_2052614823.1472093481933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't understand how the exciter ties into the RF amplifier stage of a tr= ansmitter. =C2=A0I get the L+R connection to the modulator, but the Harris = documentation says you can turn the transmitter's oscillator circuit into a= buffer stage and inject it like that. =C2=A0Do you simply remove one or tw= o feedback components from the oscillator and does that render it a buffer = stage? =C2=A0I'd be very interested to know exactly how this is done. =C2= =A0 ------=_Part_778443_2052614823.1472093481933 Content-Type: text/html; 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I don't understand how the exciter ties into the RF amplifier stage of a transmitter.  I get the L+R connection to the modulator, but the Harris documentation says you can turn the transmitter's oscillator circuit into a buffer stage and inject it like that.  Do you simply remove one or two feedback components from the oscillator and does that render it a buffer stage?  I'd be very interested to know exactly how this is done.  
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Thanks for answering the questions, guys.  This is a topic that fascinates me, and you know a lot more about theory of operation and engineering than I do.  I'm just a former repair tech trying to learn more about radio principles.   

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The ordinary A+B audio component w= hich drives the modulator in a conventional manner and amplitude modulates = the carrier. That part is simple, The other CQAM component must phase mod= ulate the carrier. Many older transmitters never contemplated do this. Th= e transmitter has a fixed frequency constant phase crystal oscillator of so= me type. An oscillator is just an amplifier with infinite gain obtained by= positive feedback at a particular frequency. The output of the oscillator= must be sufficient to drive the succeeding state. The Harris exciter prov= ides a phase modulator signal. The oscillator is reconfigured as just an a= mplifier to raise the signal level sufficiently to drive the subsequent sta= ge. I don't know how standardized oscillator circuits are nor how straightforwa= rd this reconfiguration might be. The alternative is to take the composite CQUAM signal and linearly amplify = it. Gates used to make transmitters that used low level modulated transmit= ter with linear RF amplifier finals. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Steve Preston steveophonic@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 9:54 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: 5 watts Am Stereo =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 I don't understand how the exciter ties into the RF amplifier stage of a tr= ansmitter. I get the L+R connection to the modulator, but the Harris docum= entation says you can turn the transmitter's oscillator circuit into a buff= er stage and inject it like that. Do you simply remove one or two feedback= components from the oscillator and does that render it a buffer stage? I'= d be very interested to know exactly how this is done.=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_19137_99982479.1472099798817 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It sounds like the Harris e= xciter is intending to retrofit a older transmitter.The CQAM signal had two= components.  The ordinary A+B audio component which drives the modula= tor in a conventional manner and amplitude modulates the carrier.  Tha= t part is simple,  The other CQAM component must phase modulate the ca= rrier.  Many older transmitters never contemplated do this.  The = transmitter has a fixed frequency constant phase crystal oscillator of some= type.  An oscillator is just an amplifier with infinite gain obtained= by positive feedback at a particular frequency.  The output of the os= cillator must be sufficient to drive the succeeding state.  The Harris= exciter provides a phase modulator signal.  The oscillator is reconfi= gured as just an amplifier to raise the signal level sufficiently to drive = the subsequent stage.

I don't know how standardized oscillator circuits are nor how straight= forward this reconfiguration might be.

The alternative is to take the composite CQUAM signal and linearly amp= lify it.  Gates used to make transmitters that used low level modulate= d transmitter with linear RF amplifier finals.

Mike


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I don't understand = how the exciter ties into the RF amplifier stage of a transmitter.  I = get the L+R connection to the modulator, but the Harris documentation says = you can turn the transmitter's oscillator circuit into a buffer stage and i= nject it like that.  Do you simply remove one or two feedback componen= ts from the oscillator and does that render it a buffer stage?  I'd be= very interested to know exactly how this is done.  
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u=7016370; y=UzviIihQveyfDIeOkMH2jmPid4hLRHKTDYcDukXw6h2Y-xnWRtvbmc8ONX0NfW4E X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ------=_Part_54716_142182976.1472281625050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, I am familiar with the Gates Vanguard II Series. It was Gates answer to RC= A's Ampliphase for lower power stations. It had excellent fidelity as well= , even better. However, it suffered from the same general shortcoming, tha= t being, it had to be maintained and mamy station engineers did not exactly= understand how it worked. With the Vanguard, the problem was its final li= near RF amplifier.which claimed a 90% efficiency. I have to admit I didn't= even think that was possible and I'm a graduate profession EE. The stylin= g was really classy and unique. Getting back to the problem at hand, Belar makes an AM RF amplifier to rais= e an off-air signal to a level it can drive modulation and frequency monito= rs. However, it only works with Belar monitors. National Semiconductor ma= de a high power buffer, the NH 00063 which could drive 50 ohms with +/- 10V= . That's about 2 watts PEP. Mike -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Thu, Aug 25, 2016 9:20 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5 watts Am Stereo =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Mike- an oscillator can usually be disabled and turned into an amp just by = removing a small feedback component, usually a capacitor. In some cases th= e internal oscillator was bypassed and just fed to the buffer stage. In mo= re modern transmitters such as the Gates-5, there was a jack for a stereo g= enerator input and to switch to it from the internal oscillator is moving a= small jumper plug over one position. As for the transmitter that was mostly a big linear amplifier, that was the= Gates Vanguard series from the late 60s. I understand they were actually = somewhat troublesome to make work with stereo but I've forgotten the reason= for that. The stereo sample port of the generator didn't have enough powe= r to inject directly into the first linear amp and there were other issues = too.=20=20 Scott Todd =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_54716_142182976.1472281625050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott,

I am familiar with the Gates Vanguard II Series.  It was Gates an= swer to RCA's Ampliphase for lower power stations.  It had excellent f= idelity as well, even better.  However, it suffered from the same gene= ral shortcoming, that being, it had to be maintained and mamy station engin= eers did not exactly understand how it worked.  With the Vanguard, the= problem was its final linear RF amplifier.which claimed a 90% efficiency. =  I have to admit I didn't even think that was possible and I'm a gradu= ate profession EE.  The styling was really classy and unique.

Getting back to the problem at hand, Belar makes an AM RF amplifier to= raise an off-air signal to a level it can drive modulation and frequency m= onitors.  However, it only works with Belar monitors.  National S= emiconductor made a high power buffer, the NH 00063 which could drive 50 oh= ms with +/- 10V.  That's about 2 watts PEP.

Mike




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Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5 watts Am Stereo

 
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Mike- an oscillator can usually be disabled and turned into an amp jus= t by removing a small feedback component, usually a capacitor.  In som= e cases the internal oscillator was bypassed and just fed to the buffer sta= ge.  In more modern transmitters such as the Gates-5, there was a jack= for a stereo generator input and to switch to it from the internal oscilla= tor is moving a small jumper plug over one position.

As for the transmitter that was mostly a big linear amplifier, that was the= Gates Vanguard series from the late 60s.  I understand they were actu= ally somewhat troublesome to make work with stereo but I've forgotten the r= eason for that.  The stereo sample port of the generator didn't have e= nough power to inject directly into the first linear amp and there were oth= er issues too. 

Scott Todd
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One of the last independent all-news stations, and after 35 years, giving-up; I've seen Cumulus do this for their stupid 'NASH ICON', but they don't own this station, so a real mystery; does make it a good C-QUAM candidate for daytime coverage to SFO.
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  Hi He did wright that it was cheaper to run music than pay for a news staff. I think it would make a good AM STEREO station. I can hear it at night some times. Jim Smith
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Crikey!

 

What a dreadful 18 months the world has witnessed on a da= ily basis.

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In a country of almost 400 million (th= e professed leader of the free world), are these the best two people who ha= ve to be voted for?=C2=A0 Surely you could do better.

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= The US should adopt preferential voting so that in the long term it ac= tually does become possible that someone representing ordinary Americans (n= ot the GOPs or Repubs and all their lobbyists and sponsors) could actually = be elected.

 

May God bless America.

 

 

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Ring, Jr." --001a1143d4a21670d30540cb936d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ian, The criminals have taken over our nation. The Constitution means nothing, H. Clinton wants to appoint Supreme Court justices that support the people. Rubbish, they should support the Constitution, which most of them no longer do. Law becomes what attorneys think, not what is right. We've abandoned common law, natural law. The police, elected officials, judges, law clerks, private investigators are all on one side, if one of their group commits a crime, it is white washed. If one of us reports a crime of one of them, we get falsely accused. That's the state of USA today. 73 DR On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 2:29 AM, 'Ian Davidson' ian.davidson9@bigpond.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > > > Crikey! > > > > What a dreadful 18 months the world has witnessed on a daily basis. > > > > In a country of almost 400 million (the professed leader of the free > world), are these the best two people who have to be voted for? Surely y= ou > could do better. > > > > The US should adopt preferential voting so that in the long term it > actually does become possible that someone representing ordinary American= s > (not the GOPs or Repubs and all their lobbyists and sponsors) could > actually be elected. > > > > May God bless America. > > > > > > Ian > > Melbourne > > (Former AMS Capital of the World) > > >=20 > --001a1143d4a21670d30540cb936d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ian,

The criminals h= ave taken over our nation.=C2=A0 The Constitution means nothing, H. Clinton= wants to appoint Supreme Court justices that support the people. Rubbish, = they should support the Constitution, which most of them no longer do.
<= br>
Law becomes what attorneys think, not what is right.=C2=A0 We'= ve abandoned common law, natural law.

The police, elected offi= cials, judges, law clerks, private investigators are all on one side, if on= e of their group commits a crime, it is white washed.=C2=A0 If one of us re= ports a crime of one of them, we get falsely accused.

That'= ;s the state of USA today.

73
DR

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 2:29 AM, &#= 39;Ian Davidson' ian.david= son9@bigpond.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroup= s.com> wrote:
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=C2=A0

Crikey!

=C2=A0

What = a dreadful 18 months the world has witnessed on a daily basis.

=C2=A0

In a country of almost 400 mill= ion (the professed leader of the free world), are these the best two people= who have to be voted for?=C2=A0 Surely you could do better.<= /span>

=C2=A0=

The US should adopt preferential = voting so that in the long term it actually does become possible that someo= ne representing ordinary Americans (not the GOPs or Repubs and all their lo= bbyists and sponsors) could actually be elected.

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May God bless America.<= /p>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Ian

Melbourne

(Former AMS Capital of the World)=




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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01D23AB6.06D0ECE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AdI6UYHH++l6Pz5HQXWueHkaqemctQ== Content-Language: en-au X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.82 Subject: DAB+ Radio in Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 From: "Ian Davidson" ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01D23AB6.06D0ECE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hi Johnny! =20 Yes. DAB+ has been in the biggest cities (80% of the population) for about= seven years now. It=E2=80=99s being tested in several others and it=E2=80= =99s only a matter of time before it becomes available to all TV markets. = It usually transmits from multiplexes located at disused analog TV towers i= nto a particular market. =20 Unlike with our TV (which has been digital only for the last few years) the= re is no talk of turning analog radio signals off.=20 =20 To me it sounds great. 25% of radio listeners already listen to DAB+. Unl= ike AM Stereo it=E2=80=99s been properly promoted and still is being at lea= st by AM stations. I have DAB+ radios all over the house =E2=80=93 Sony, G= rundig, Sangean, Bush, and Pure. Sangean also makes a wonderful =E2=80=9Cw= alkman=E2=80=9D. =20 Thereagain, it=E2=80=99s not that good when you don=E2=80=99t like the prog= ramming. In the last 12 months we=E2=80=99ve seen the emasculation of Magi= c 1278, which has had to modify its music as it=E2=80=99s now networked to = Magic 2CH Sydney and Magic 4BH Brisbane. To me it=E2=80=99s simply not =E2= =80=9CMagic=E2=80=9D anymore. =20 Then we lost a DBA+ digital only station obviously from America playing non= stop nostalgia with no commercial breaks (which is probably why it=E2=80=99= s gone). =20 And only two weeks ago 3MP dropped =E2=80=9CMelbourne=E2=80=99s Greatest Hi= ts=E2=80=9D for =E2=80=9CClassic Rock Radio=E2=80=9D.=20=20 =20 The sound is only as good as the programming. =20 73s =20 Ian =20=20=20 From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com]= =20 Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 3:38 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OFF-TOPIC Trump V Clinton =20 =20=20 Cheers to Ian in the land of Oz: =20 Yes, we have a truly polarized country, 1/2 hate the other 1/2, and it show= s in our election day today. Nobody will be happy regardless of whom wins the electoral vote today- coul= d even have a lopsided election where more popular votes goes to the electo= ral college loser. Anything can happen and probably will. =20 My guess is, we may not know who is even the winner for another month (reco= unts, mail-in ballots, etc) which would be pure torture. =20 All I want is great stereo music on the MW AM band, preferably in CQUAM! = =20 =20 Greetings- I assume you are using DAB+ radio in Oz now, or only the big cit= ies have that while the rest have analog MW & FM? =20 73 Johnny Electron ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01D23AB6.06D0ECE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=  

Hi Johnny!

 

Yes.=C2=A0 DAB+ has b= een in the biggest cities (80% of the population) for about seven years now= .=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s being tested in several others and it=E2=80=99s only a= matter of time before it becomes available to all TV markets.=C2=A0 It usu= ally transmits from multiplexes located at disused analog TV towers into a = particular market.

 

Unlike with our TV (which has been digital only for= the last few years) there is no talk of turning analog radio signals off. =

=  

To me it sounds great.=C2=A0 25% of radio listeners already listen to= DAB+.=C2=A0 Unlike AM Stereo it=E2=80=99s been properly promoted and still= is being at least by AM stations.=C2=A0 I have DAB+ radios all over the ho= use =E2=80=93 Sony, Grundig, Sangean, Bush, and Pure.=C2=A0 Sangean also ma= kes a wonderful =E2=80=9Cwalkman=E2=80=9D.

 

Thereagain, it=E2=80=99s no= t that good when you don=E2=80=99t like the programming.=C2=A0 In the last = 12 months we=E2=80=99ve seen the emasculation of Magic 1278, which has had = to modify its music as it=E2=80=99s now networked to Magic 2CH Sydney and M= agic 4BH Brisbane.=C2=A0 To me it=E2=80=99s simply not =E2=80=9CMagic=E2=80= =9D anymore.

 

Then we lost a DBA+ digital only station obviously from A= merica playing nonstop nostalgia with no commercial breaks (which is probab= ly why it=E2=80=99s gone).

 

= And only two weeks ago 3MP dropped =E2=80= =9CMelbourne=E2=80=99s Greatest Hits=E2=80=9D for =E2=80=9CClassic Rock Rad= io=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0

 

The sound is only as good as the programming.

 

73s

 

Ian

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [= mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 Novembe= r 2016 3:38 AM
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {AMSF} Re: OFF-TOPIC Trump V Clinton

 

 

Chee= rs to Ian in the land of Oz:

 

Yes, = we have a truly polarized country, 1/2 hate the other 1/2, and it shows in = our election day today.

Nobody will be happy regardless of= whom wins the electoral vote today- could even have a lopsided election wh= ere more popular votes goes to the electoral college loser.  Anything = can happen and probably will.

 

My g= uess is, we may not know who is even the winner for another month (recounts= , mail-in ballots, etc) which would be pure torture.

=  

All I want is great stereo music on the MW AM band, pref= erably in CQUAM! 

 

Greetings-= I assume you are using DAB+ radio in Oz now, or only the big cities have t= hat while the rest have analog MW & FM?

 

73

Johnny Electron

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I have one DAB+ radio, that I won when they were promoting the format in 2009. The sound quality is ok, but the bitrates used here fall well short of what is required to match even good FM reception, with 48kbps and 64kbps AAC being quite commonly used. On 9 November 2016 at 15:21, 'Ian Davidson' ian.davidson9@bigpond.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > > > Hi Johnny! > > > > Yes. DAB+ has been in the biggest cities (80% of the population) for > about seven years now. It=E2=80=99s being tested in several others and i= t=E2=80=99s only a > matter of time before it becomes available to all TV markets. It usually > transmits from multiplexes located at disused analog TV towers into a > particular market. > > > > Unlike with our TV (which has been digital only for the last few years) > there is no talk of turning analog radio signals off. > > > > To me it sounds great. 25% of radio listeners already listen to DAB+. > Unlike AM Stereo it=E2=80=99s been properly promoted and still is being a= t least by > AM stations. I have DAB+ radios all over the house =E2=80=93 Sony, Grund= ig, > Sangean, Bush, and Pure. Sangean also makes a wonderful =E2=80=9Cwalkman= =E2=80=9D. > > > > Thereagain, it=E2=80=99s not that good when you don=E2=80=99t like the pr= ogramming. In > the last 12 months we=E2=80=99ve seen the emasculation of Magic 1278, whi= ch has had > to modify its music as it=E2=80=99s now networked to Magic 2CH Sydney and= Magic 4BH > Brisbane. To me it=E2=80=99s simply not =E2=80=9CMagic=E2=80=9D anymore. > > > > Then we lost a DBA+ digital only station obviously from America playing > nonstop nostalgia with no commercial breaks (which is probably why it=E2= =80=99s > gone). > > > > And only two weeks ago 3MP dropped =E2=80=9CMelbourne=E2=80=99s Greatest = Hits=E2=80=9D for > =E2=80=9CClassic Rock Radio=E2=80=9D. > > > > The sound is only as good as the programming. > > > > 73s > > > > Ian > > > > *From:* amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 9 November 2016 3:38 AM > *To:* amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* {AMSF} Re: OFF-TOPIC Trump V Clinton > > > > > > Cheers to Ian in the land of Oz: > > > > Yes, we have a truly polarized country, 1/2 hate the other 1/2, and it > shows in our election day today. > > Nobody will be happy regardless of whom wins the electoral vote today- > could even have a lopsided election where more popular votes goes to the > electoral college loser. Anything can happen and probably will. > > > > My guess is, we may not know who is even the winner for another month > (recounts, mail-in ballots, etc) which would be pure torture. > > > > All I want is great stereo music on the MW AM band, preferably in CQUAM! > > > > Greetings- I assume you are using DAB+ radio in Oz now, or only the big > cities have that while the rest have analog MW & FM? > > > > 73 > > Johnny Electron > >=20 > --001a114c81ca64181f0540d968fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI Ian,

I'm in Perth (the other sid= e). I have one DAB+ radio, that I won when they were promoting the format i= n 2009.

The sound quality is ok, but the bitrates = used here fall well short of what is required to match even good FM recepti= on, with 48kbps and 64kbps AAC being quite commonly used.

On 9 November 2016 at 1= 5:21, 'Ian Davidson' i= an.davidson9@bigpond.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@y= ahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Hi Johnny!

=C2=A0

Yes.=C2=A0 DAB+ has been in the biggest cities (80% of the popul= ation) for about seven years now.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s being tested in severa= l others and it=E2=80=99s only a matter of time before it becomes available= to all TV markets.=C2=A0 It usually transmits from multiplexes located at = disused analog TV towers into a particular market.

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Unlike with our TV (which has been digital = only for the last few years) there is no talk of turning analog radio signa= ls off.

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To me it s= ounds great.=C2=A0 25% of radio listeners already listen to DAB+.=C2=A0 Unl= ike AM Stereo it=E2=80=99s been properly promoted and still is being at lea= st by AM stations.=C2=A0 I have DAB+ radios all over the house =E2=80=93 So= ny, Grundig, Sangean, Bush, and Pure.=C2=A0 Sangean also makes a wonderful = =E2=80=9Cwalkman=E2=80=9D.

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Thereagain, it=E2=80=99s not that good when you don=E2=80=99t like = the programming.=C2=A0 In the last 12 months we=E2=80=99ve seen the emascul= ation of Magic 1278, which has had to modify its music as it=E2=80=99s now = networked to Magic 2CH Sydney and Magic 4BH Brisbane.=C2=A0 To me it=E2=80= =99s simply not =E2=80=9CMagic=E2=80=9D anymore.

=C2=A0

Then we lost a DBA+ digital only station obvi= ously from America playing nonstop nostalgia with no commercial breaks (whi= ch is probably why it=E2=80=99s gone).

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And only two weeks ago 3MP dropped =E2=80=9CMelbourne= =E2=80=99s Greatest Hits=E2=80=9D for =E2=80=9CClassic Rock Radio=E2=80=9D.= =C2=A0

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The sound i= s only as good as the programming.

=C2=A0

73s

=C2=A0

Ian

=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0

From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereofo= rum@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 3= :38 AM
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {AMSF} Re= : OFF-TOPIC Trump V Clinton

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Cheers to= Ian in the land of Oz:

=C2=A0

Yes,= we have a truly polarized country, 1/2 hate the other 1/2, and it shows in= our election day today.

Nobody will be happy regardles= s of whom wins the electoral vote today- could even have a lopsided electio= n where more popular votes goes to the electoral college loser.=C2=A0 Anyth= ing can happen and probably will.

=C2=A0<= /p>

My guess is, we may not know who is even the winner for another month= (recounts, mail-in ballots, etc) which would be pure torture.

=C2=A0

All I want is great stereo music on the = MW AM band, preferably in CQUAM!=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Greetings- I assume you are using DAB+ radio in Oz now, or only= the big cities have that while the rest have analog MW & FM?=

=C2=A0

73

Johnny Electro= n

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Ring, Jr." --001a114097aace0c710541254bef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just dropped Mike at PantronX (Panama Electronics) a suggestion. Best to all, David N1EA On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 3:22 PM, timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > PantronX Seeks =E2=80=9CComplete SDR Solution=E2=80=9D > > It would be nice, if this unit could do am-stereo > > http://www.radioworld.com/article/pantronx-seeks- > complete-sdr-solution/280007 > > > Thank You Kindly Now, > > Timothy Deshler > > > PantronX Seeks =E2=80=9CComplete SDR Solution=E2=80=9D > Its Titus II radio is an Android tablet computer with wideband digital RF > receiver > > > > > >=20 > --001a114097aace0c710541254bef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just dropped Mike at PantronX (Panama Electron= ics) a suggestion.

Best to all,

David N1EA

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Back in 1994, PBS produced a special "New Year's Eve With Guy Lombardo".  They broadcast it for a couple of years and then discontinued it.  It featured new bandleader Al Pierson and the orchestra,and featured black-and-white clips from the old orchestra plus a few new song versions in color from 1994.  AS very nice program!  I made a VHS copy of the program back then, and shared it as a DVD with a few group members a couple of times several years ago.  Today I repeat that offer (probably for the last time) if there are any old-timers who would enjoy it and haven't already received it.  There would be no charge.

If any "old-timer" is interested, please contact me at dwtpa97 at verizon.net . 

Thanks,
Dick
Tampa
 
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Mike -----Original Message----- From: timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> To: Yahoogroups Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2016 3:37 pm Subject: {AMSF} Should AM Boosters Be Permanently Allowed? Should AM Boosters Be Permanently Allowed? Should AM Boosters Be Permanently Allowed? 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Thank you, the Audio Engineers Pocket Guide is excel= lent!

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Best wishes,

David J. Ring, Jr.
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No.=C2=A0 This guy's a = big boy and needs to grow up and get a reallicense.=C2=A0 I've been to = the Island.=C2=A0 I'm certain there are some open frequencies.

Mike





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Ring, Jr. Former manager, Cinema Sound, Inc., Boston, MA. Radio Engineer various stations, and Radio Officer U.S. Merchant Marine, (R= et.) who would have packed this book in his toolkit. =3D30=3D On Dec 12, 2016 5:47 AM, "Mjgrant mjgrant@aol.com [amstereoforum]" wrote: =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 No. This guy's a big boy and needs to grow up and get a reallicense. I've= been to the Island. I'm certain there are some open frequencies. Mike -----Original Message----- From: timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: Yahoogroups Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2016 3:37 pm Subject: {AMSF} Should AM Boosters Be Permanently Allowed? =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Should AM Boosters Be Permanently Allowed? =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 Should AM Boosters Be Permanently Allowed? =20=20 FCC opens a comment period; Blanco-Pi says he=E2=80=99s worried about =E2= =80=9Cde-revitalization=E2=80=9D effect otherwise =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 fyi, Free Analog Engineer's Pocket Reference Guide from Texas Instruments http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/max-unleashed-and-unfettered/4442= 659/Free--Analog-Engineer-s-Pocket-Reference-Guide http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/max-unleashed-and-unfettered/4442= 659/Free--Analog-Engineer-s-Pocket-Reference-Guide direct link https://www.ti.com/seclit/sl/slyw038b/slyw038b.pdf https://www.ti.com/seclit/sl/slyw038b/slyw038b.pdf Thank You Kindly Now,=20 Timothy Deshler =20=20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_244771_1260404813.1481560898569 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boston?  Wow!

Maybe a little off the subject, but is there still a WBZ?  How ab= out Wang Center?

Back in the 60s, WBZ put out such a monster signal, it was the #2 rate= d station.  In Baltimore.

Mike


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From: 'D.J.J. Ring, Jr.' n1ea@arrl.net [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@ya= hoogroups.com>
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Best wishes,

David J. Ring, Jr.
Former manager, Cinema Sound, Inc.,= Boston, MA.
Radio Engineer various stations, an= d Radio Officer U.S. Merchant Marine, (Ret.) who would have packed this boo= k in his toolkit.

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No.  This guy's a big = boy and needs to grow up and get a reallicense.  I've been to the Isla= nd.  I'm certain there are some open frequencies.

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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=0WE42Xc4p5ZherTU7BclnSC2sZkWKRjsDoHwWkw5kQUaeCw X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." --001a11449ee8ea62580543792101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WBZ 1030 kHz still radiates with a 3 dB gain cardiod pattern, beaming an ERP of 100 kW to the southwest. They have AM Stereo but no longer use it. Wang Center is now the Boch Center. 73 David On Dec 12, 2016 11:41 AM, "Mjgrant mjgrant@aol.com [amstereoforum]" < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Boston? Wow! > > Maybe a little off the subject, but is there still a WBZ? How about Wang > Center? > > Back in the 60s, WBZ put out such a monster signal, it was the #2 rated > station. In Baltimore. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'D.J.J. Ring, Jr.' n1ea@arrl.net [amstereoforum] < > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> > To: amstereoforum > Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2016 7:49 am > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Should AM Boosters Be Permanently Allowed? > > > Thank you, the Audio Engineers Pocket Guide is excellent! > > direct link https://www.ti.com/seclit/sl/slyw038b/slyw038b.pdf > https://www.ti.com/seclit/sl/slyw038b/slyw038b.pdf > > Best wishes, > > David J. Ring, Jr. > Former manager, Cinema Sound, Inc., Boston, MA. > Radio Engineer various stations, and Radio Officer U.S. Merchant Marine, > (Ret.) who would have packed this book in his toolkit. > > =3D30=3D > > On Dec 12, 2016 5:47 AM, "Mjgrant mjgrant@aol.com [amstereoforum]" < > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > No. This guy's a big boy and needs to grow up and get a reallicense. > I've been to the Island. I'm certain there are some open frequencies. > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] < > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> > To: Yahoogroups > Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2016 3:37 pm > Subject: {AMSF} Should AM Boosters Be Permanently Allowed? > > > > > Should AM Boosters Be Permanently Allowed? > > > Should AM Boosters Be Permanently Allowed? > FCC opens a comment period; Blanco-Pi says he=E2=80=99s worried about > =E2=80=9Cde-revitalization=E2=80=9D effect otherwise > > > > > fyi, Free Analog Engineer's Pocket Reference Guide from Texas Instruments > http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/max-unleashed-and- > unfettered/4442659/Free--Analog-Engineer-s-Pocket-Reference-Guide > > http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/max-unleashed-and- > unfettered/4442659/Free--Analog-Engineer-s-Pocket-Reference-Guide > > > > direct link https://www.ti.com/seclit/sl/slyw038b/slyw038b.pdf > https://www.ti.com/seclit/sl/slyw038b/slyw038b.pdf > > > Thank You Kindly Now, > > Timothy Deshler > > > > > > > > > >=20 > --001a11449ee8ea62580543792101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WBZ 1030 kHz still radiates with a 3 dB gain cardiod patt= ern, beaming an ERP of 100 kW to the southwest.

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They have AM Stereo but no longer use it.

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On Dec 12, 2016 11:41 AM, "Mjgrant mjgrant@aol.com [amstereoforum]" &l= t;amstereoforum@yahoogroup= s.com> wrote:
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Boston?=C2=A0 Wow!

Maybe a little off the subject, but is there still a WBZ?=C2=A0 How ab= out Wang Center?

Back in the 60s, WBZ put out such a monster signal, it was the #2 rate= d station.=C2=A0 In Baltimore.

Mike


-----= Original Message-----
From: 'D.J.J. Ring, Jr.' n1ea@arrl.net [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2016 7:49 am
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Should AM Boosters Be Permanently Allowed?

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Thank you, the Audio Engineers Pocket Guide is excellent!

https://www.ti.com/seclit/sl/slyw038b/slyw038b.pdf

Best wishes,

David J. Ring, Jr.
Former manager, Cinema Sound, Inc.,= Boston, MA.
Radio Engineer various stations, an= d Radio Officer U.S. Merchant Marine, (Ret.) who would have packed this boo= k in his toolkit.

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On Dec 12, 2016 5:47 AM, "Mjgr= ant mjgrant@aol.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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No.=C2=A0 This guy's a = big boy and needs to grow up and get a reallicense.=C2=A0 I've been to = the Island.=C2=A0 I'm certain there are some open frequencies.

Mike





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fyi

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File : /mp3-usa/CFCO_-_Alan_Jackson_-_I_Don-t_Even_Know_Your_Name.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : 630 CFCO / nice Classic Country in C-QuAM STEREO; nice and heavy separation in Pierrefonds ! 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File : /mp3-intl/YVRQ_C-QuAM_Stereo_with_salsa_trop_mx.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : with the horn on one side and the piano on the other side as received on the Sony CFS 6000 / PK + Select-A-Tenna Loop combo in Douglas, QC (Perry 2A) possibly just a skywave unwanted phasing effect as YVRQ is mono (?) ! 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boundary="----=_Part_130794_1923294896.1495758496518" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.9726 YahooMailNeo Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 Content-Length: 24970 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.83 Reply-To: Jack Roberts Subject: Re: {AMSF} Available: Delta ASE2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235489308; y=86OY3CbgKFFyZHeZlyBMS76Cj-HFcLOorO5kW7_ZgVsCVYMn X-Yahoo-Profile: beefus100 From: Jack Roberts ------=_Part_130794_1923294896.1495758496518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, What frequency is the ASE2 set to transmit on?=C2=A0 Is it still available? Thanks,=20 Jack =20 On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:44 AM, "Robert Chrysafis kc8gpd@hotmail.com= [amstereoforum]" wrote: =20 =C2=A0 I have a Delta ase2 cquam Exciter available. Excellent condition located in 80235 500 plus shipping and boxing Check or money order PayPal if you cover fees Thanks On May 22, 2017 8:22 PM, "charles@penry.us [amstereoforum]" wrote: I have a=C2=A0Leader LSG-245=C2=A0C-Quam=C2=A0AM Stereo Generator on eBay t= hat I used as an AM stereo transmitter around the house. 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What frequen= cy is the ASE2 set to transmit on?  Is it still available?

Thanks,

Jack


On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:44 AM, "Robert Chrysafis kc8gpd@ho= tmail.com [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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I have a Delta ase2 cquam Exciter available.

Excellent condition located in 80235

500 plus shipping and boxing

Check or money order

PayPal if you cover fees

Thanks

On May 22, 2017 8:22 PM, "charles@p= enry.us [amstereoforum]" <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I have a Leader LSG-245 C-Quam AM Stereo Generato= r on eBay that I used as an AM stereo transmitter around the house. Works g= reat, stick an audio processor in front of it and it sounds better than any of the local AM stations, including the ones playing music= !


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[173.76.192.27]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w12sm5977107qtc.20.2017.05.25.20.03.34 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 25 May 2017 20:03:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: "David J. Ring, Jr." Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 23:03:33 -0400 To: "Robert Chrysafis kc8gpd@hotmail.com [amstereoforum]" Message-ID: <20170526030332.GB15666@gmail.com> References: <1411809408.130795.1495758496522@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.2 (2017-04-18) X-Originating-IP: 98.138.100.120 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Available: Delta ASE2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=zq1Q3jh0cb2G5KvnYoLp7c7Gq1fkCoDMu5JUwAron9rgbIo X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr From: "David J. Ring, Jr." Very few crystal manufacturers are left and many won't make particular types below 2 MHz. 73 David N1EA On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 01:35:54AM +0000, Robert Chrysafis kc8gpd@hotmail.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > 1600 khz has a 6.4 mhz crystal in it and manual states the crystal is 4 times the broadcast frequency. It also appears to have ttl, high drive and sync ports. > > The frequency is easily changed even though icm is gone my understanding is there are still crystal manufacturer's in business. > > And I have a PDF of manual > > On May 25, 2017 6:28 PM, "Jack Roberts beefus100@yahoo.com [amstereoforum]" wrote: > > > Robert, > > What frequency is the ASE2 set to transmit on? Is it still available? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:44 AM, "Robert Chrysafis kc8gpd@hotmail.com [amstereoforum]" wrote: > > > > I have a Delta ase2 cquam Exciter available. > > Excellent condition located in 80235 > > 500 plus shipping and boxing > > Check or money order > > PayPal if you cover fees > > Thanks > > On May 22, 2017 8:22 PM, "charles@penry.us [amstereoforum]" wrote: > > > I have a Leader LSG-245 C-Quam AM Stereo Generator on eBay that I used as an AM stereo transmitter around the house. Works great, stick an audio processor in front of it and it sounds better than any of the local AM stations, including the ones playing music! > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/192190228977?ul_noapp=true > > Charles > > > > > > > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri May 26 15:24:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53669 invoked by uid 102); 26 May 2017 15:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2017 15:24:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25952 invoked from network); 26 May 2017 15:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1003.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.170.167) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2017 15:24:55 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of hotmail.com designates 40.92.2.54 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: 2RlAQvwWLDuYs8sE9YZfdD0h1b9A.rQvQEkwDsDnOelHRRuX iVppwmpZcDY.KNWhyY4FyWJWDDjnFvOHgCIz5n2BssRWCtYsH8o0iAfWF6ao qssOvn4vua__C7ZKcoHVZHXM1Bbp9wUMuQthOlVtOmML4GhqzTIl6F_XRkho Ue5ZnPScRUfyQYnWkDTLg6_UsHE8WvHLf6AcymuvwVxWsssxlxOB9NaNb3mO cuyvQ6vjBxZDMRByF6fOrKUWSwlQCJrGiz3dgY7rw12NvKHAEBjYJLJWCHX8 yXIc7G1bPmYQePNZHIc2DbYeMn3DS8EXN6BviHZ.seDp2lS7bzhtpyKEWMpy PV0VFK.oOWH5C6dn6gFfqZMlRuPvlGEQ3_9IH5H_y9sVPo_vS2eCpGtrBYLA 85gtBCGBcaJhFfebhYg6EA7Jr9K1_F2c1njBiG23GovxxY0FJg6C8WkJTE86 8EgRJCf3IklM3L8Td8b0okNkDNen0ohAX8cKWy2utJeXPG3kXELOxrOg2Gj2 hH1S3i4kY3OlHlYU4y_01pBvIKnBjtrrbI6NGbsODFz4FFf0ei05a_lItjCx tsrdt_CQj0TbkDO2IqGmhsLPS0szRgTfgGtDCKzMUYq9qhdew1BW6EfvmLJX ykHBUckfABwO0zsfd5.umU4jkEiT5FYsUz1eelvUOU9u5YKpDXbsRxo7xn8f 9QZEejYX_wMMjYSwc0HB9J7Gj6bQ5evKbjgu.4wZggSV00i3XAfeTZsntXWT ce4eEApuAzs7BbZxrQUNTn.3p7fFi_L.7C1HI.GscDvXGwAUvUPK3qmyj_zg Wb4sTPV06U1_v3MoxvR4nBJ5QVALElFd1uHJ3Hmx3CG7ZLWy0U07yaJLIiu6 0_dS_enCU8AegJYZDesEIOuXRn5IYpBeU28bPms623r5X3AaPrEZJp.xGr0f uYcRjAgxF7ncQi2uONdQUXVp3BXkNIEMoCxYONvR4gU.k.s8HcUkm2P3VIB6 FmA0trp9alkAlwEPM.6ywlLx9CznSnue9WGA3rnXTB69VITTmfiCpe_j15bS LO6zcXZVoDXQyJNyq.2sK8aYkELMJE5thF3t3pTWqZw8Y.0fLPGqAVvlGFl. niibpXP3b61mNuoAH2smqSZrRs.sboENX4_rBOo5xYE4c.Dk2zRafMgTi99K LGKFASTNGsedwQbd4U9dI_RxDTFizC22bXgUWApEQ0PI1QTO7kIAdN4lOTyN 3TP7ic9wwU.YEnfnSmX5Qkt96DpPphWr2A4UShWNzolQr_wcQJVi.IvYb9MH 0eoQVqv5AAYPZki.bTW.57PWCbinznhv5oDCcEdTiHznO1D6RHXSSLPBBwDd PpqEDu0SEaCNI5cmwwKOaME.29YAQLr8owN7oppr67TFVt6Ybzg3vE75TK5R z2MDHgkPeJvq2YdoK9kqh0aj7qM1n4QCAHFMlQBx4DGYShGxcZCXEM.UFDRR sfg5VmgWSksBOdGkALEYUlkNj6G2ZTfL9iTBcisTn3S5XEpZmfiLaHi.U64o R3erVYlU83AYZdOVNUr63g-- Authentication-Results: mta1003.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com from=hotmail.com; 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u=62618005; y=tFvbaRS1CEtke6XxwJ46Hd66schJh1L8pew5uh8nB7On X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd From: Robert Chrysafis not sure the type that is used but it is a very common type nothing that=20 special order as far as i know. since it is 4 times the broadcast frequency even 530 MHz should be above=20 2 MHz crystal frequency. 530k x 4 =3D 2.120k On 5/25/2017 9:03 PM, 'David J. Ring, Jr.' n1ea@arrl.net [amstereoforum]=20 wrote: > Very few crystal manufacturers are left and many won't make particular ty= pes below 2 MHz. > > 73 > > David N1EA > > > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 01:35:54AM +0000, Robert Chrysafis kc8gpd@hotmail= .com [amstereoforum] wrote: >> 1600 khz has a 6.4 mhz crystal in it and manual states the crystal is 4 = times the broadcast frequency. It also appears to have ttl, high drive and = sync ports. >> >> The frequency is easily changed even though icm is gone my understandin= g is there are still crystal manufacturer's in business. >> >> And I have a PDF of manual >> >> On May 25, 2017 6:28 PM, "Jack Roberts beefus100@yahoo.com [amstereoforu= m]" wrote: >> >> >> Robert, >> >> What frequency is the ASE2 set to transmit on? Is it still available? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jack >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:44 AM, "Robert Chrysafis kc8gpd@hotmail.com = [amstereoforum]" wrote: >> >> >> >> I have a Delta ase2 cquam Exciter available. >> >> Excellent condition located in 80235 >> >> 500 plus shipping and boxing >> >> Check or money order >> >> PayPal if you cover fees >> >> Thanks >> >> On May 22, 2017 8:22 PM, "charles@penry.us [amstereoforum]" wrote: >> >> >> I have a Leader LSG-245 C-Quam AM Stereo Generator on eBay that I used a= s an AM stereo transmitter around the house. Works great, stick an audio pr= ocessor in front of it and it sounds better than any of the local AM statio= ns, including the ones playing music! >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/192190228977?ul_noapp=3Dtrue >> >> Charles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: "David J. Ring, Jr." > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > > From n1ea@arrl.net Fri May 26 17:46:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Sender: djringjr@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52660 invoked by uid 102); 26 May 2017 17:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m15.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2017 17:46:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10410 invoked from network); 26 May 2017 17:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1004.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.245.163) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2017 17:46:52 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.214.52 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: xuRzmhcWLDvejeXpllDL9iijBRX_t8FhFtrvb8scES0x3YbT idbsKxgo2xcoKETUJAkpwJdPxXL5GY1RwZV3fqGrkGSvVzWmJrx.RIFNaZyS ekyTsfqNxyfEUxfyuXQnvLLQcPPKER2aK4B6lsNFTngvBN.Kvf2aYMQp0QkF KA3v0Z4q2vxR.H.YitJuYUooG6qxj9pKRHeaqMAlT8BkPZfdbnALi38YgvP. axSVxhW2.Ai9wE3nfRPLyPdeDB6x4nnj_voUC20QNLzFcwju4iNmV_ItThEj CrnKB_A5sBsWd6KpazcuCj6zkusSnYPh.FRDWhHj9w0vosZXr2YKK.jDxf_K DkMLt5OqIwJRLyKi3yHyRSCKS44wQQwlH3Pf_MIBuKpKJX1pNQh3wwt9vLkG AemHQ87sQ1LBa6fVNefkXDiJxdnt2X.Wf16c74gcFoBouhm_q_SVPbt52QNN bMOqsi8LorptYh_SVkKvh4V7NzdDNF8Pxzq1lx3oiA4hyTYQ5z9tmEAqwan1 BtE7puXONeiobtTVoUFn6NBbKjjgwsHTH0P7n9bqbh1U.RC3PTG57gY4BHe5 y9rp6p4Azx.lwwIBQxCRZfCH1WHKPyeP2jqibofiaZI1_3jfqiQDTYnhjAHj rCt1j5C5eOCY24uEh1p.UufumnTABoCoDOaNLsBr8olfkGNModh73CskV__B N3sMoZq.KG3ds817Fqpk7kO6MqMGXuntGD68O8WUCf52.URijanx9j.LWlN4 LOqYyrHI2.4cFc_KjmmGMUvw0j2U9RkznTtz13tRFlxOkTnl9d.FxfK6T50t aJ.ZTlwHwP5pHwZ1AwAGC_mz5w_s.agcAqnF1bW3wN9U6cIyTBxiaQ.IICl6 f1l6lJ_7j_x9mt8lBDb7bRx3mk4DfCalzA4zYQgZAW45zLYGTpeWHaKDhe17 X5dO8lMffi_.sfl0laKcQD0OoK91mskOiM5TrVL3u4TJrszHMJJZpNOhHid9 mp5e6Fh9AUz.R9mnxRAeEVDFfIblcJJQp6_WEwu8uHAjiVdkMGba3wwYwUYv YK7ASi5ejyWQArtAETX.ANTTXOB8GA_d5rmb3vTVScRKeU5Q6LYO2B71ZiO4 0NDd9Xte9GKF199IaGJb.axAE7JtYBjOIpCy7AHvtKM0UIye2EDMdg0iYk7x AmfpoqulkXdsD0eJrLa785k0M9_AhPSmYrfq8J2j59DQ8yc29KBF0oAkbyKG iotWX4vyUxPtukn0IhC.FicGblovvGFKp96AR7ZQHwq7jt4YnQp_Cai_BaHD yQh6DElIKTTCBluQlKcOSiUz8glnEi4IaDev3HZZ8ki4KENAVFtzF8Y6wmKQ f1tta8UeHMc5VUtRjB.7TlQAx9XSwydmwoRZEPVzdNmHZgOhqrHsgsGfLCoe PuG3RJfhRSv7RTjOOGawf_oT.cd.yWiuSJzGYE_8ZHBFx8U1gaWuY2pY6yHv iJoVr9.4fXyid5qrSikTI5EeZZRmcZke.9vMG1cQP4hDZKJ.VYyukTJSxigX 9vo5sZ6iu3iK9hYld2XbDY2UBckzsRS8dMIPodBpdv8utMPgqx16u5dKZMIu yW5O6a9RU4g- Authentication-Results: mta1004.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com from=gmail.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=gmail.com; dkim=pass (ok) X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO mail-it0-f52.google.com) (209.85.214.52) by mta1004.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Fri, 26 May 2017 17:46:52 +0000 X-Received: by mail-it0-f52.google.com with SMTP id o5so577059ith.1 for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 10:46:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=e6H2k/HOMcPj6rD3+3gnRX8GBygoG8HffSPRDmpWBDk=; b=mEf4VMYr+ZJrY36ff1suKyKv1fWQ3Oo7ncgZ+dfwkFpDhMH+VOBKj+vJzMiY4bAaK8 O7fuueTH6utri8lnRzoYlJc2VthDe+b+Tfr9gdLvxI0BRlIh8sPkNaJww5iyRbqFm45g ZiWT0R+lHdrT/bp6SAhB4dWMU0kvW1byBRtucA3rV1843+3ms5mcIEFGBdH0o9+ZgV7t K6AND/dWmNwH46rclip+0RDYySiSMlbtTE2TM7Dkd9+dLBxEw5f7TKd0VMl+UXJB4qRm y/sHiCaj9GA1VVDyykhdWP4JBRft1k3c2UaEKdYrNqvGWvmz+M1jNSZvIlIyo9jM2wVt t86Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcC9Zi89ZQTVJ8cwYsgcynxsUWiRUUgTLVR4VpYMc1bueA6H2nzd 5OPmvLWNupeS0CPWJ4V/ykqiQON55w== X-Received: by 10.36.83.145 with SMTP id n139mr4033524itb.0.1495820811597; Fri, 26 May 2017 10:46:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.164.42 with HTTP; Fri, 26 May 2017 10:46:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1411809408.130795.1495758496522@mail.yahoo.com> <20170526030332.GB15666@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 13:46:11 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jj_7RNGPWu9BtUASWhszoeq8jGw Message-ID: To: "Robert Chrysafis kc8gpd@hotmail.com [amstereoforum]" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 98.139.245.163 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Available: Delta ASE2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=gmpW6KbllBinuyK0_gcF2krb0lSYghb7mmA5AeJoxHOjQv8 X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." I'm trying to get a crystal for WNE on 472 kHz and the only one who will make it and it will cost about $75.00 for the crystal and postage is a company in the UK. No USA vendors make broadcast crystals now except divide by four types. Right now we are using a HP generator which is accurate to 2 ppm - but technically since it isn't a crystal we violate FCC rules. FCC is going to have to change. Our crystal cracked with over current in the oscillator of our 5 kW transmitter. 73 David N1EA WNE Stoneham Massachusetts Marine Radio 472/500 kHz. 73 David N1EA On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Robert Chrysafis kc8gpd@hotmail.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > not sure the type that is used but it is a very common type nothing that > special order as far as i know. > > since it is 4 times the broadcast frequency even 530 MHz should be above > 2 MHz crystal frequency. > > 530k x 4 =3D 2.120k > > > On 5/25/2017 9:03 PM, 'David J. Ring, Jr.' n1ea@arrl.net [amstereoforum] > wrote: >> Very few crystal manufacturers are left and many won't make particular t= ypes below 2 MHz. >> >> 73 >> >> David N1EA >> >> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 01:35:54AM +0000, Robert Chrysafis kc8gpd@hotmai= l.com [amstereoforum] wrote: >>> 1600 khz has a 6.4 mhz crystal in it and manual states the crystal is 4= times the broadcast frequency. It also appears to have ttl, high drive and= sync ports. >>> >>> The frequency is easily changed even though icm is gone my understandi= ng is there are still crystal manufacturer's in business. >>> >>> And I have a PDF of manual >>> >>> On May 25, 2017 6:28 PM, "Jack Roberts beefus100@yahoo.com [amstereofor= um]" wrote: >>> >>> >>> Robert, >>> >>> What frequency is the ASE2 set to transmit on? Is it still available? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:44 AM, "Robert Chrysafis kc8gpd@hotmail.com= [amstereoforum]" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I have a Delta ase2 cquam Exciter available. >>> >>> Excellent condition located in 80235 >>> >>> 500 plus shipping and boxing >>> >>> Check or money order >>> >>> PayPal if you cover fees >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On May 22, 2017 8:22 PM, "charles@penry.us [amstereoforum]" wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have a Leader LSG-245 C-Quam AM Stereo Generator on eBay that I used = as an AM stereo transmitter around the house. Works great, stick an audio p= rocessor in front of it and it sounds better than any of the local AM stati= ons, including the ones playing music! >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/192190228977?ul_noapp=3Dtrue >>> >>> Charles >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> Posted by: "David J. 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Ring, Jr." --001a1144a02266feb40553fa5377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Give us the correct link because I get file not found error 404. Sometimes I get a "too many redirects" error. David On Jul 10, 2017 13:16, "Donn Tillman florida_amstereo@hotmail.com [amstereoforum]" wrote: =F0=9F=A4=97 my bad - tried the wrong link. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:48, Donn Tillman florida_amstereo@hotmail.com [amstereoforum] wrote: Unfortunately, the link is not working on my default Safari browser (said there were too many redirects), so then I tried using the Google browser, got an error message saying page does not exist. Sent from my iPad On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:07, rpp1234@hotmail.com [amstereoforum] < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: This is the link I have for Fanfare. I tried it and it works as of today 07/10/2017. http://fantech.wix.com/fanfarefm/products --001a1144a02266feb40553fa5377 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Give us the correct link because I get file not foun= d error 404.
Sometimes I get a "too many redire= cts" error.

David


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boundary="----=_Part_1527250_590707622.1500243016164" References: <1171421873.1527251.1500243016165.ref@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.10092 YahooMailNeo Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.9) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/3.2 Firefox/45.9 PaleMoon/27.4.0 Content-Length: 2123 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.245.163 Reply-To: timothy deshler Subject: fyi: noise floor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195264138; y=-HPIisGrmx1yctX2OzPlyEK79Mw-4KaUa5Fzs62mzIvirWAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: tjdeshler From: timothy deshler ------=_Part_1527250_590707622.1500243016164 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steps to Lower Noise Floor and Revitalize AM Radio http://www.radioworld=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 .com/columns-and-views/0004/steps-t= o-lower-noise-floor-and-revitalize-am-radio/339995 Noise Inquiry Spurs Recommendations http://www.radioworld=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 .com/news-and-business/0002/noise-i= nquiry-spurs-recommendations/339989 fcc interference handbook-last updated in 1993 https://www.fcc=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 .gov/document/fcc-interference-handbook-1= 993-edition=C2=A0Thank You Kindly Now,=20 Timothy Deshler ------=_Part_1527250_590707622.1500243016164 Content-Type: text/html; 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Steps to Lower Noise Floor and Revitalize AM = Radio
http://www.radioworld=     .com/columns-and-views/0004/steps-to-lower-noise-floor-a= nd-revitalize-am-radio/339995

Noise Inquiry Spurs Rec= ommendations
http://www.rad= ioworld    .com/news-and-business/0002/noise-inquiry-spurs-r= ecommendations/339989

fcc interference handbook-last = updated in 1993
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Ring, Jr." Tim, ALL - not a few but all of your URL's were broken. I fixed them and am sending them along to the list. David On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 6:10 PM, timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > > > > Steps to Lower Noise Floor and Revitalize AM Radio > http://www.radioworld.com/columns-and-views/0004/steps-to-lower-noise-flo= or-and-revitalize-am-radio/339995 > > Noise Inquiry Spurs Recommendations > http://www.radioworld.com/news-and-business/0002/noise-inquiry-spurs-reco= mmendations/339989 > > fcc interference handbook-last updated in 1993 > https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-interference-handbook-1993-edition > > Thank You Kindly Now, > Timothy Deshler > > > >=20 From tjdeshler@yahoo.com Tue Sep 05 03:23:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Sender: tjdeshler@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28798 invoked by uid 102); 5 Sep 2017 03:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2017 03:23:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3211 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2017 03:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1004.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.245.163) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 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u=7016370; y=-X1Gbfrs3DCh8G3AnfNBw_3mp8mR7x4ae-cTbtSAC6e9gMCu0pjNV3m4IT6rmrwg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple From: Mjgrant ------=_Part_291599_114018761.1504636157935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keith, Ordinarily one retains legal representation to obtain a broadcast license. = It is not a simple process, There are technical filings that generally mu= st be done by a professional engineer. Have you done a frequency search? Nowadays, it is easier to simply buy an existing station license. Many AM = stations,especially smaller stations, are not profitable with not realistic= prospects of ever becoming so. We have an oldies station that still plays= music, 5kW directional near a major market. I approached management about= going AM Stereo, you would think they were the local food pantry. =20 There is a big difference between a Chris Cuff transmitter and a broadcast = station, stereo or not. Mike =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Keith Brady keith1971@hotmail.com [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Tue, Sep 5, 2017 12:56 am Subject: {AMSF} Question about getting licensed =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Hello all, I=E2=80=99m really new to the group and have been enjoying my Chris Cuff AM= Stereo transmitter with a variety of AM Stereo Receivers. I have been thin= king about trying to get a CP to build an AM Station or two, that broadcast= s in AM Stereo. However, Every time I go to the FCC Website, they are not t= aking new applications at this time. In my area, there are only a hand full= of AM stations and only 2 of them broadcast Music. The rest of them are Ei= ther Spanish, Talk or wait for it=E2=80=A6. More talk. Any thoughts as to w= hen the FCC will Start taking applications? Sent from Windows Mail =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_291599_114018761.1504636157935 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keith,

Ordinarily one retains legal representation to obtain a broadcast license.&= nbsp; It is not a simple process,  There are technical filings that ge= nerally must be done by a professional engineer.  Have you done a freq= uency search?

Nowadays, it is easier to simply buy an existing station license.  Man= y AM stations,especially smaller stations, are not profitable with not real= istic prospects of ever becoming so.  We have an oldies station that s= till plays music, 5kW directional near a major market.  I approached m= anagement about going AM Stereo, you would think they were the local food p= antry.

There is a big difference between a Chris Cuff transmitter= and a broadcast station, stereo or not.

Mike


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Subject: {AMSF} Question about getting licensed

 
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I=E2=80=99m really new to the group and have been enjoying my Chris Cu= ff AM Stereo transmitter with a variety of AM Stereo Receivers. I have been= thinking about trying to get a CP to build an AM Station or two, that broa= dcasts in AM Stereo. However, Every time I go to the FCC Website, they are not taking new applications at this time= . In my area, there are only a hand full of AM stations and only 2 of = them broadcast Music. The rest of them are Either Spanish, Talk o= r wait for it=E2=80=A6. More talk. Any thoughts as to when the FCC will Start taking applications?

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With it, came a responsibility. Radio has changed in the past 8= 0 years. Going across the dial at night, the AM band is just syndicated ta= lk radio and clutter. There were earlier attempts to unfreeze the band fai= led. Gone are the days when big stations brought quality "big city" locall= y produced to those in remote areas. =20 AM is mostly propaganda. Let it die. Mike =09=09 =09=09=09 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: timothy deshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] To: Yahoogroups Sent: Mon, Sep 4, 2017 10:23 pm Subject: {AMSF} just FYI: FCC Weighing the End of Clear Channel AM Stations =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 FCC Weighing the End of Clear Channel AM Stations & Comments on FCC Proposals for More AM Revitalization Efforts Due March 21 = =E2=80=93 What Questions are on the Table?=20 http://www.radiosurvivor.com/2016/03/07/fcc-weighing-the-end-of-clear-chann= el-am-stations/#at_pco=3Dsmlwn-1.0&at_si=3D59ae15ff583a3a11&at_ab=3Dper-2&a= t_pos=3D0&at_tot=3D1 =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 FCC Weighing the End of Clear Channel AM Stations - Radio Survivor =20=20 As the first round of AM stations get a shot at having translator repeaters= on the FM dial, the FCC=E2=80=99s AM revital... =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/2016/03/articles/comments-on-fcc-proposals-= for-more-am-revitalization-efforts-due-march-21-what-questions-are-on-the-t= able/ =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 Comments on FCC Proposals for More AM Revitalization Efforts Due March 21 -= ... =20=20 The FCC=E2=80=99s proceeding on revitalizing AM radio is headed into its se= cond phase, looking at further steps that it ... =20 =20 =20=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 ------=_Part_314751_1706827685.1504637974682 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When AM cl= ear channel stations came into being in the 1930's, they served a purpose.&= nbsp; With it, came a responsibility.  Radio has changed in the past 8= 0 years.  Going across the dial at night, the AM band is just syndicat= ed talk radio and clutter.  There were earlier attempts to unfreeze th= e band failed.  Gone are the days when big stations brought quality "b= ig city" locally produced to those in remote areas.

AM is mostly propaganda.  Let it die.

Mike
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Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-54657350-7165-414C-B61D-F100637AE61B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:57:17 +0000 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) X-Originating-IP: 98.138.100.121 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo station now in the UK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261406632; y=tvfWeOR0Udu6WOh58WW3swez4IiKIEUVhIKf1xkZ5Q89mJUnEytdLd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: glyncooper2001 From: Glyn Cooper --Apple-Mail-54657350-7165-414C-B61D-F100637AE61B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There may just be another 1 on 1476khz shortly. Maybe not strictly legal th= ough. =F0=9F=98=9C Sent from my iPhone > On 28 Feb 2018, at 18:33, amstereofan@gmail.com [amstereoforum] wrote: >=20 > A few recordings made with sodira to decode the c-quam along with the vb = cable sound card to provide stereo sound. So 18 years later after the first= test transmissions the UK has an am stereo station tukcked away serving th= e Asian community with just 70w...is the the start of more am stereo statio= ns for the UK ? Highly unlikely but one is better then none ! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > https://youtu.be/mI3esr2fay8 >=20 > https://youtu.be/Mnx94Yjm_QI >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-54657350-7165-414C-B61D-F100637AE61B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There may just be another 1 on 147= 6khz shortly. Maybe not strictly legal though. =F0=9F=98=9C

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A few recordings made with sodira to decode the c-quam along with = the vb cable sound card to provide stereo sound. So 18 years later after th= e first test transmissions the UK has an am stereo station tukcked away ser= ving the Asian community with just 70w...is the the start of more am stereo= stations for the UK ? Highly unlikely but one is better then none !





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boundary="----=_Part_5722659_1371955029.1521813200194" References: <1691399846.5722660.1521813200195.ref@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.11588 YahooMailNeo Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/7.0; rv:11.0) like Gecko/20100101 Firefox/12.0 Content-Length: 1102 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.100.120 Reply-To: jim smith Subject: Insignia NS-HDTUNE HD AM STEREO FM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=OUL-F_uy4ybv4QZArHjm5PEMtHavQCUcMzYjzAgMza-xgaE6lSEV-nC14HaS7sdq_GBVOQhS X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jim smith ------=_Part_5722659_1371955029.1521813200194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI Gang=C2=A0 Long time=C2=A0no posts. I had bot a=C2=A0Insignia NS-HDTUNE= HD AM FM STEREO. As I am wrighting this I am listening to my CCuff=C2=A0 t= x=C2=A0 in c-quam on the Insignia HDTUNE. This tuner also will false HD BLI= NK on AM and on my TX to.=C2=A0 I hope to see some posts on this. Thanks Ji= m Smith ------=_Part_5722659_1371955029.1521813200194 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
HI Gang  Long time no posts. I had bot a Insignia NS-HDTUNE HD AM FM STEREO. As I am wrighting this I am listening to my CCuff  tx  in c-quam on the Insignia HDTUNE. This tuner also will false HD BLINK on AM and on my TX to.  I hope to see some posts on this. Thanks Jim Smith
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I started with building an AM stereo receiver back in the 1990's and I was surprised on how good it sounded. I got interested in this format again about three months ago when I go a HD radio receiver and found the audio sounded like a very low bit rate MP3 file. Yet I was expecting something more like FM stereo, I guess the more radio channels you can fit in, the more advertising that station owners can also fit in. So I have build an AM stereo modulator inside of a FPGA device and now I have a very good quality reference to compare against HD, DRM, FM and standard AM radio.  Yes, the C-QUAM still sounds good today, if not better then what I remember from the 1990's. 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They want to extend their range by going to the AM band. So it looks like my little project of building an AM stereo transmitter in a Field-Programmable Gate Array (FPGA) has a small market in this area. The C-QUAM is setup as a default setting, it is done this way due to the way the logic gates are setup to generate both phase and amplitude. I have a Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) of 0.5% and a amplifier efficiency 84% as the a basic prototype, I hope to improve this with the next version. I have tested it out long side my FM stereo transmitter and there was a very small difference between them. With AM I am running an audio bandwidth 20Hz to 12.5kHz, the FM is 15Hz to 15kHz with THD of 5% and both were at one watt of RF power. AM radio can sound very good, it is sad that we do not hear it at it's best. Grant         On Sat, 2018-05-26 at 22:00 -0400, zl1wtt1 zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] wrote: > Hi All, > > As you can tell I am new here and like get some feedback on where AM > stereo is today? I started with building an AM stereo receiver back > in > the 1990's and I was surprised on how good it sounded. I got > interested > in this format again about three months ago when I go a HD radio > receiver and found the audio sounded like a very low bit rate MP3 > file. > Yet I was expecting something more like FM stereo, I guess the more > radio channels you can fit in, the more advertising that station > owners > can also fit in. So I have build an AM stereo modulator inside of a > FPGA device and now I have a very good quality reference to compare > against HD, DRM, FM and standard AM radio.  > > Yes, the C-QUAM still sounds good today, if not better then what I > remember from the 1990's. > > Grant   > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Jun 17 21:14:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25280 invoked by uid 102); 17 Jun 2018 21:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.196.227.14) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2018 21:14:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19548 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2018 21:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4002.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.221.2.24) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2018 21:14:26 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of hotmail.com designates 40.92.4.19 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: 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I am doing all my audio processing in software using Jack audio plug ins, the next step is to connect up a USB sound device to a Raspberry Pi and see if I can run Jack audio on it. This way I can stream the stereo audio directly in to the Raspberry Pi and then out to the transmitter.  Grant          From zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au Sat Sep 01 18:50:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27978 invoked by uid 102); 2 Sep 2018 01:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.224.239) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2018 01:50:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23799 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2018 01:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4004.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.195.149) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2018 01:50:45 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoo.com.au designates 98.137.69.33 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: KLWaWPgWLDuNOnhABgQC6dmSF5_lIol6n7631hUWbW1bm5B4 asGV4RXRH1zPs9I_MzStebl4rdcFDSdiL3M07A8epD6zygCRZn6ZtnI0fxzo F7D_w6YuqSLx0VDtVlLq.eMAWaDYUzAh7IY_4qtM1aNxc2iMx7rQx1EiSJiM W.t8xui0R6Lqb.MzOn.qWqVwVsVdJhY6LjeFd8yiPPpsFrpmLz4LGYRCcvAQ adsRMjZga8Mfp.Gtak0VMS9B9zW.057aRyfq5fHWRf23M0eOQ3RBd4lOTPla HlGTS3vD851HMhnuyIWT.nfPF0ySkGFRD6guf9lf7NA_qxoCndC5D6u8aFMq 7cvbIPLbD4IMZly7nz9TBRRaKhUkqOZ1iJEdcwIG9rjiTZgMcxm3fDwt5Enm x7jH05qHywSWwSTLn_a5_AhD6QUQWPLnnKAU59zi9icuAHadFtRgGs3Yd6Gq oFjpYMy7oJInz1BFPyKJBkSj5TetpOEQ9LaUBLzCLHdQwEPe8Et2Jb0TavlG 0ToMv2FSrCrw86qOM0lFddOzUPZIxaIgPNylerf3f795RMeXnaY5btinaNw5 4Kruxc4OIPX35x5v0oWTnBUQYBwBpQj6Ovlm6xfMUY5JYZ1X47BZ2hkCdgkp k.zOSr82pDtpd._Qtl_eW61lWoWWwPpse5X08JhKhCWAEpNxihQUm8C4uwbu 5NmHIp65itdMF0YD95bgG1eUG6Ozq9Ya2Cyr5NUg.opSzCrEwgQtgVuM4YJR dC5I89zoY0Alby6sjk3hHL.nQhjc9vgOm.FneUgIicLo8Y6H_jGRgXUxzTBZ Xp.OqD1XAc7GncKU7kQuRcXXwbw7TX2bS0tNbRbJyWi2IThkZZGzJVFX01yQ jQhDJxr1Qp72QZS9N4AEvfdEAVlIb2uHd3OFyMgAAcBJaBCVXMV7osVGdTkL wsRxrQgzICzAtaXZcpGW.0szIClnwNYP4ttZ889KE4IDHExhbwkzfr3qYxx2 NnTHYrqhxoeqwpEYohvUN5QHH0LxuTz.m6Td51bCfCDbnOQ2S_hKuwyls.sm Bpeg8ZleWqE- Authentication-Results: mta4004.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com from=yahoo.com.au; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoo.com.au; dkim=pass (ok) X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO sonic316-9.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.137.69.33) by mta4004.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Sun, 02 Sep 2018 01:50:44 +0000 X-YMail-OSG: Zb.DP4UVM1mOGORTRiCz4o3CMkLC8JQi604XeoRVSIfp.K.zOPmuP4U57oz_3oo VFv0wDtdDqPfvuuzCPa48UxQ3ZEiLCNxa6S3hmsbnyLwsZY_Lba_BT7FEhrsggH1MsyPFjqwjSc9 OPoNlDVuLGO.YEhFLYD6A61dXMQpbyfPL_hOKBUHSFQ0TsbF9dlKbK2MJ04KktrryKjm1qLV5_tw EDRFYQeXeiFIDT.W6RJOxHy3lbP1epLIaSwnGy3PKTjCQId0epw.KHXUd0mMWVy0uFQdKhpRGL.Y 68wnKA81ousSWz2rvvkxgWPdoCeTQZlu4fW.QsLLP4pRkGvCHA85k8oX9Mem71wraETntE6QAYaQ L0zOui13VZRQsI9VqA8O_k.1U6Pquc4dgJp.IFFYd8vgwv8wb8eN1ETkUUy8U98WxKqYhvDUcYu5 5b7WOnrdtUeKq8R1pw2qib9FhGD3VzGcn.cOsLZSEIycdZv3Ut8n4gHh0BUCqVfAeAhjWC86nHty ao9etw73KNGCCTSMD1HqMfkQN7I5016IfnhTDPck4ZqDRregRLEyjXG2sdmiid.dk0zZXJ8euSK. cy3xk1CZkuFmUbqf502IcZQ5pxT4cyvO14kxZgM_Z7_xjH6zP3T.f6ncasAU4hXsMQdf.YegO6oi PvPPON7GzFf_wZv6gJ.nOETxnAtiItEErNCtMnwOjlJWZWLfubFoTeUKHxp.Zuo7KIIQFYZNjLkO npitrWifQFmf.FyPM1V7sJGATV.k.w_ANmdFFjOpsYhPgQknCf4fqNeVZiYZQeXHJjhDOCq.EzdP 53AjOVOGWTiGZ9mrDB9xSxFLenWS88MHwKK5b3ccbzMXFW.XF4BbfHTgSr80MwotfQ2xVOPHhldJ wGbHG2AS.H4sEE4QAAAsDHlOocAXa7NVbvAoVtVuj0zC6JDivmsbC3TFIBKVQE.qEed8e3upDfaX YZ15vUiGeYBPLL1jsM0Wu35XPtBLNDG0vvOnWEq6AR5ZKI20- X-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic316.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 01:50:43 +0000 X-Received: from 209.141.178.152 (EHLO [192.168.0.11]) ([209.141.178.152]) by smtp412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c9efb536519d5413fb50e387bd1cb167 for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2018 01:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1535853041.6683.13.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 21:50:41 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.201.195.149 Subject: New AM stereo receiver design X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=SshG9Mj9c4xW6Se6sIjLoAf_N1WYqUFbsyWXTy3nAh3x_g X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: zl1wtt1 Hi all, I got my version 4 AM stereo transmitters going, running at one watt of RF power, I am now looking at a new receiver design. Since my FPGA based transmitter has been going so well, I am now looking at taking this technology and putting it into a C-QUAM decoder. So there maybe soon a PCB based receiver board coming available, it is a bit experiment to build it all into FPGA chip.  I have just had no luck in finding a good AM stereo receiver on Ebay, so I will do my own thing. 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By taking a few of the key logic blocks used in the encoder and by doing the same process in reverse I should have a decoder. As part of project I am also looking at ways of getting new receivers made that are able to work with wide band AM. As I have stated before it is not easy to come by receivers, unless you want to pay top dollar on Ebay. 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Mon, 24 Sep 2018 01:43:54 +0000 X-Received: from 209.141.178.152 (EHLO [192.168.0.11]) ([209.141.178.152]) by smtp423.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 8e3f94893dd6dacb59512720b3706d57 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 01:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1537753431.10534.10.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:43:51 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.201.195.45 Subject: AM stereo improvements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=6xHN8ldq--evLZDcV19M14nXB8C77tyWNovxLTfooIybMg X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: zl1wtt1 Hi all, If you were to reinvent AM stereo today, what would be the key things to keep and what you like to change or update? This is the advantage of having such small numbers of receivers about, therefore you have some level flexibility, unlike with FM stereo. This where I find my self with the work I am currently doing, there seems to be so much more to this format, than what has already been done. 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DickTampa -----Original Message----- From: zl1wtt1 zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2018 9:48 pm Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo improvements =C2=A0 Hi all, If you were to reinvent AM stereo today, what would be the key things to keep and what you like to change or update? This is the advantage of having such small numbers of receivers about, therefore you have some level flexibility, unlike with FM stereo. This where I find my self with the work I am currently doing, there seems to be so much more to this format, than what has already been done. 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rs didn't want to invest so much as an extra dollar to really compete. = ; They were completely half-hearted, and they paid the price.

Dick
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Hi all,

If you were to reinvent AM stereo today, what would be the key things
to keep and what you like to change or update?

This is the advantage of having such small numbers of receivers about,
therefore you have some level flexibility, unlike with FM stereo. This
where I find my self with the work I am currently doing, there seems to
be so much more to this format, than what has already been done.

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Grant     On Mon, 2018-09-24 at 02:06 +0000, dwtpa97@verizon.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > I would add AMAX standards.  Had that been done years ago, AM stereo > may well have been able to compete commercially with FM.  But AM > broadcasters didn't want to invest so much as an extra dollar to > really compete.  They were completely half-hearted, and they paid the > price. > > > Dick > Tampa > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: zl1wtt1 zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] oogroups.com> > To: amstereoforum > Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2018 9:48 pm > Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo improvements > >   > Hi all, > > If you were to reinvent AM stereo today, what would be the key things > to keep and what you like to change or update? > > This is the advantage of having such small numbers of receivers > about, > therefore you have some level flexibility, unlike with FM stereo. > This > where I find my self with the work I am currently doing, there seems > to > be so much more to this format, than what has already been done. > > Grant    > > From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Sep 23 21:51:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24514 invoked by uid 102); 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Mon, 24 Sep 2018 04:51:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 04:51:25 +0000 (UTC) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <1252704356.1268450.1537764685777@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1252704356.1268450.1537764685777.ref@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.12487 aolwebmail Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/69.0.3497.100 Safari/537.36 Content-Length: 2974488 X-Originating-IP: 10.221.10.34 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo improvements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: I don't know if the attached sheet will transmit or not, but it describes t= he Denon TU-680NAB tuner I had at one time.=C2=A0 The "NAB" in the title re= ferred to AM stereo.=C2=A0 As I recall, the same tuner without "NAB" in the= title was not AM Stereo.=C2=A0 The tuners had a reputation for a few quirk= s or problems, but I never had any problem with mine.=C2=A0 Once we lost al= l of our C-Quam stations, I sold the tuner. Dick -----Original Message----- From: zl1wtt1 zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2018 10:28 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo improvements =C2=A0 Hi Dick, Yes you are right, I have been working on=C2=A0AMAX, from my testing I foun= d a few short comings with the original=C2=A0AMAX standard that was done back in the 1990's.=C2=A0 Maybe time for a AMAX version B? 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quoted-printable Looks like the picture wouldn't transmit!=C2=A0 No big deal - Dick -----Original Message----- From: dwtpa97@verizon.net [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Mon, Sep 24, 2018 12:51 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo improvements =C2=A0 I don't know if the attached sheet will transmit or not, but it de= scribes the Denon TU-680NAB tuner I had at one time.=C2=A0 The "NAB" in the= title referred to AM stereo.=C2=A0 As I recall, the same tuner without "NA= B" in the title was not AM Stereo.=C2=A0 The tuners had a reputation for a = few quirks or problems, but I never had any problem with mine.=C2=A0 Once w= e lost all of our C-Quam stations, I sold the tuner.. Dick -----Original Message----- From: zl1wtt1 zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2018 10:28 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo improvements =C2=A0 Hi Dick, Yes you are right, I have been working on=C2=A0AMAX, from my testing I foun= d a few short comings with the original=C2=A0AMAX standard that was done back in the 1990's.=C2=A0 Maybe time for a AMAX version B? 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From: dwtpa97@verizon.net [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com= >
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 24, 2018 12:51 am
Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo improvements

 
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I don't know if the attached sheet will transmit or not, but it descri= bes the Denon TU-680NAB tuner I had at one time.  The "NAB" in the tit= le referred to AM stereo.  As I recall, the same tuner without "NAB" i= n the title was not AM Stereo.  The tuners had a reputation for a few = quirks or problems, but I never had any problem with mine.  Once we lo= st all of our C-Quam stations, I sold the tuner..
Dick

-----Original Message-----
From: zl1wtt1 zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoog= roups.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2018 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo improvements

  Hi Dick,

Yes you are right, I have been working on AMAX, from my testing I foun= d
a few short comings with the original AMAX standard that was done back=
in the 1990's. 

Maybe time for a AMAX version B?

Grant    

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Yes, the audio bandwidth needs to go up to 12.5 kHz for sure. You can hear the difference between FM stereo at 15 kHz and AM stereo at 10 kHz, but at 12.5 kHz it is very heard to tell them apart. I found that 75µs was a bit on the high side, a 50µs pre-emphasis is far better fit for 12.5 kHz, after months of testing both. With a 36 dB / Octave low pass filter set to 12.5 kHz at the 3 dB down point. This was one of first things I notices with my experiments.   Yes, a switchable 9/10kHz band stop filter for reception is a must.  Yes, synchronous detection is a very good idea, with a noise blanker.  Yes, Phase shift networks for Sine and Cosine another good idea. I am also looking at adding noise reduction, very much like what was used with Dolby noise reduction with tapes, but designed to work with AM radio. I would run this with a 12.5 Hz pilot tone, in such away where the second harmonic was in phase with the 25 Hz tone, so you only need one low pass filter for both.    It is good to know that other experimenters have found much the same with their testing.  Lets make it happen, Grant On Tue, 2018-09-25 at 21:47 +0000, johng@mylinuxisp.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > AM Stereo Encoding/Decoding Improvements > > * TX/RX - Increase (daytime) audio bandwidth to -3dB@12½kHz where > possible and use 75µs Pre-Emph with an 11kHz pole, ⅓ octave higher > than current NRSC. There are a couple of music samples of C-QUAM in > Japan on YouTube using 12½kHz audio, sounding great, and some from > quite a long distance. > > * TX/RX - (Nighttime) audio bandwidth in crowded areas could/should > be cut back to at least 7½kHz and continue to use the current 75µs > NRSC Pre-Emph which has an 8.7kHz pole. > > * RX - Include 9/10kHz whistle filters for nighttime reception. > > * RX - Envelope detection is inferior to synchronous detection. > Decoder should function in full synchronous mode if desired. This > will provide better reception integrity during less than optimal > conditions. > > * RX - Decoder should have Phase Shift Networks for sideband > decoding. With Cosine correction for envelope based C-QUAM, the PSN > will also provide decoding for C-ISB, C-VSB & C-SSB. In full > synchronous QuAM mode the PSN will add decoding for ISB, VSB & SSB. > > * RX - While the MC13028 has greatly improved detection integrity and > reduced plaform motion its hackability is very limited. The MC13020 > is very hackable and all the modes just listed can be realized with > external components. Any future decoder designed should have the best > of both. > > If the special characters don't come through properly and/or want a > more detailed description it can be found here: > https://www.amstzone.org/AM-Stereo_Improvements.pdf > > From johng@mylinuxisp.com Wed Sep 26 15:12:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: johng@mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30241 invoked by uid 102); 26 Sep 2018 22:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.198.29.79) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2018 22:12:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29006 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2018 22:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4004.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.218.140.75) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2018 22:12:24 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: none (domain of mylinuxisp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-YMailISG: e2xPSdkWLDuBf7PTgIinrs7lU6SM.4vxavQVvAvELPOio7SX _sy4iD_UkvL0mdXlxAAsaOWQk7iQfKg4f1QfQwrMl1RGoc62GUclytfbGrGO V4hvIeiX4S6dNuqmYGpF3m1eVxZ2jazkvx13MnD71s4j54.cz7oABh2SCJBp narlbgI7iVLIuQdvHcyMZBMGGUq3ht_mTlMADITYFZXTYt5Apwc1tt7bywtl 5gduhTe4BH38ZMDlZKM9YsJBXgTp7Ptyu.xX1t.kRvxpEA0rugJuiSNNmxg_ I_u.aZN3fPevYUS8Vn8TMPCKnk5i.amXq_cy5TexHkCK7MetEfH41xGqjE9l dlIloFheeAHj0bSNfnxkEBXVPY0Ru_janaxr_CX9vEz.X50wMoWPyNee6jta xW7Desu.UQdjgCFSnPnJ7Yo8PiUc0co8gDDxtv2f6I3mIGT7f6hF5DPM3N7D fxwKTNo7w3dbR5eTMC3_HaJiM3m4Oi5QJ34zBJoD7ecq0.JI5RVZcD45sn8C HSiBTjdb04jSbqujw57cRuVPPha5h0UQw7EFhJI3JSkCISpvvCx0ro16goFn k6MeGyTUEcUJiLeXzmMoxjI8l0BWY_9s2OPefCjmLlaOw9BkSPRcb3NeqL52 9OusbMe.KnQqS0R0cs2V8fjhbBDKnP_XcsQP98gyIbHkrOwsNXJ9T9RTnjsm 45wSIdGmasXRfJqtvWP1_IN3nbQtQMuNiBpVoBR.FqCre_oLPBAvrUU2pJrO NPeb1BC1tEq4XSCnvMTxDvknggZNZSb5q_qA_Vz4SQGCtAGutAKqHJozz2ds iCePji.11SCnWFRsa.G5j9dfm1awkU_RbfgdNY6n07jopCP4g5Hvrzw9YT9h HrnZEMdNtaI7gBkuTMF7k8XJFd4H5EwpbKqWSwQGtZ7Xd.tTxejKHBdzb5Qb JRGvza1kna5_af6syBg_xnaE389jNeLHA.oKk7HyIO1eIKgeVNQxLksK3xVn GiMp5e0G1IjvDxyHiIt5WyDhHQ-- Authentication-Results: mta4004.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com from=mylinuxisp.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=mylinuxisp.com; dkim=neutral (no sig) X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO imta-38.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta4004.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 22:12:24 +0000 X-Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w8QMCHcg005732 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:12:23 -0700 X-Eon-Originating-Account: XXLrJNCbwfINrbrkOVFLmvDHML9xN1IkEZV5vQiRmx-BzRLp21C0cY7wlNsmSH11 X-Eon-Dm: m0116293.ppops.net X-Received: by m0116293.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac3a6327) id m0116293.5ba50f43.609aa for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:12:06 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQMkrbtbrAQ2rXzT2QIAAAAB,2d18fe2f7eef214725928756794f329d To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:11:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A86BD862955519CACF8A19C4" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2018-09-26_10:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1034 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1809260208 X-Originating-IP: 10.218.140.75 Subject: Re: AM stereo improvements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=580965132; y=oRdUj1Wcz_vuA5eAHuPZB-k3-cBAT6pmL4G4GB3iaO7rrw X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst From: "J. S. Gilstrap" --------------A86BD862955519CACF8A19C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Yes, the audio bandwidth needs to go up to 12½kHz for sure. > You can hear the difference between FM stereo at 15 kHz and > AM stereo at 10kHz, but at 12½kHz it is very heard to tell them > apart. I found that 75µs was a bit on the high side, a 50µs pre- > emphasis is far better fit for 12½kHz, after months of testing > both. With a 36 dB / Octave lowpass filter set to 12½kHz at the > 3 dB down point. This was one of first things I notices with my experiments. Analog mono TV used 12½kHz audio for years and I found it perfectly acceptable. Most pre-made cassette tapes played in the typical player don't have a response much past 12½kHz but still sound good. I came to the same conclusion using an mp3 encoder with an adjustable low pass filter set at 15kHz with a 2½kHz transition zone, meaning that it had a -3dB@12½kHz corner frequency, and that was completely attenuated at 15kHz. Here are 3 samples on YouTube of C-QUAM broadcasts in Japan supposedly using 12½kHz audio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew9gtR0ZKwo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq6KSavcVMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAPKTnJtnA You can tell that the broadcast engineers did an excellent job at the station as I hear no appreciable distortion at all. It was probably a very good receiver too. As for the pre-emphasis both FM and analog TV use 75µs but neither of them are shelved with an 8.7kHz pole. It probably shelves somewhere above 20kHz. Shelving at 8.7kHz only provides 10dB boost at 10kHz, less than what FM or TV has and their typical reception is quieter than AM to begin with. During the HF wars the 75µs with the 8.7kHz shelf was a compromise along with the 10kHz audio as many broadcasters were using a radical amount of boost with 15kHz audio to overcome the effects of the narrow band receivers and creating a substantial amount of adjacent channel interference especially at night. As receiver manufacturers narrowed the receiver IF to compensate the more boost the broadcasters used. It got out of hand and something had to be done and the NRSC 75µs/8.7kHz shelf was the solution. If anything a little more boost is beneficial for the high frequencies especially when increasing response to 12½kHz but still need to be respectful of adjacent channel interference issues. With 50µs without a shelf the boost is just under 10dB@10kHz, less than the current NRSC. In the cut in zone for 50µs, around 3.2kHz, I do like better for various other reasons but it doesn't provide enough high frequency boost unless you use a 2nd order pre-emphasis so I don't think this is the way to go. 12½kHz is ~⅓ octave higher than 10kHz so increasing the shelf frequency ~⅓ octave, from 8.7kHz to 11kHz, isn't too radical of an adjustment and would only be used for daytime/uncrowded areas although I would prefer it be more like FM & TV. The 75µs has been pretty standard for broadcast and probably was settled upon long ago after much research. For AM/FM combo receivers having them the same means fewer parts. This boost is pretty mild compared to others like the RIAA curve on phonograph records which is a 2 stage pre-emphasis and a 40dB boost differential for 50Hz-20kHz. Maybe a 2 stage might be a good approach for AM too. De-Emphasize the bass a little since it occupies a lot of the amplitude headroom and the ear is more tolerable to a lower S/N in this region. It would also better balance the narrow band receivers for voice since there is not much response above 3kHz in them. A 2.65ms pre-emphasis with a 180Hz shelf might be a good start. > Yes, synchronous detection is a very good idea, with a noise blanker. Noise blanking is part of the AMAX specifications for higher end radios. Motorola has designed and manufactured an AMAX front end/decoder chipset with this and other features, MC13027 & MC13122 . Look into this chipset for insight on how to best go about this. If only this chipset had the hackability of the MC13020 to do pure synchronous detection a very good multi-system decoder could be made with it. > I am also looking at adding noise reduction... A single ended noise reduction would be acceptable and preferable. Check out the approach that the LM1894 National Semiconductor "Dynamic Noise Reduction" DNR® Audio Variable Low Pass Filter offers. This chip is found in many of the C-QUAM GM car radios during the 80's & 90's. I would prefer that another pilot tone not be used for this purpose although it would work well for this but it is not necessary since Dolby works without one and is a encode/decode process. The next generation pilot tone(s) should be a part of a slow digital data channel (think RDS) so check to see if there is already a specification on this for AM. For now staying with 25Hz that Motorola selected is probably best. > Yes, Phase shift networks for Sine and Cosine another good idea. A running phase shift for both I & Q channels with a 90 offset is best. One that is modeled from an analog version. A running phase shift helps to shift the harmonic peaks off their fundamentals thus lowering peak signal amplitude without reducing loudness. Kahn marketed a product called Symetra-Peak for broadcasters that did this. Although an analog 4 stage covering up to 12½kHz with greater sideband separation is nice a 3 stage is more economically practical and adequate offering 40dB separation for the 150Hz-10½kHz range. JSG --------------A86BD862955519CACF8A19C4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> Yes, the audio bandwidth needs to go up to 12½kHz for sure.
> You can hear the difference between FM stereo at 15 kHz and
> AM stereo at 10kHz, but at 12½kHz it is very heard to tell them
> apart. I found that 75µs was a bit on the high side, a 50µs pre-
> emphasis is far better fit for 12½kHz, after months of testing
> both. With a 36 dB / Octave lowpass filter set to 12½kHz at the
> 3 dB down point. This was one of first things I notices with my experiments.

Analog mono TV used 12½kHz audio for years and I found it perfectly acceptable. Most pre-made cassette tapes played in the typical player don't have a response much past 12½kHz but still sound good. I came to the same conclusion using an mp3 encoder with an adjustable low pass filter set at 15kHz with a 2½kHz transition zone, meaning that it had a -3dB@12½kHz corner frequency, and that was completely attenuated at 15kHz.

Here are 3 samples on YouTube of C-QUAM broadcasts in Japan supposedly using 12½kHz audio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew9gtR0ZKwo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq6KSavcVMI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAPKTnJtnA

You can tell that the broadcast engineers did an excellent job at the station as I hear no appreciable distortion at all. It was probably a very good receiver too.

As for the pre-emphasis both FM and analog TV use 75µs but neither of them are shelved with an 8.7kHz pole. It probably shelves somewhere above 20kHz. Shelving at 8.7kHz only provides 10dB boost at 10kHz, less than what FM or TV has and their typical reception is quieter than AM to begin with.

During the HF wars the 75µs with the 8.7kHz shelf was a compromise along with the 10kHz audio as many broadcasters were using a radical amount of boost with 15kHz audio to overcome the effects of the narrow band receivers and creating a substantial amount of adjacent channel interference especially at night. As receiver manufacturers narrowed the receiver IF to compensate the more boost the broadcasters used. It got out of hand and something had to be done and the NRSC 75µs/8.7kHz shelf was the solution.

If anything a little more boost is beneficial for the high frequencies especially when increasing response to 12½kHz but still need to be respectful of adjacent channel interference issues. With 50µs without a shelf the boost is just under 10dB@10kHz, less than the current NRSC. In the cut in zone for 50µs, around 3.2kHz, I do like better for various other reasons but it doesn't provide enough high frequency boost unless you use a 2nd order pre-emphasis so I don't think this is the way to go. 12½kHz is ~⅓ octave higher than 10kHz so increasing the shelf frequency ~⅓ octave, from 8.7kHz to 11kHz, isn't too radical of an adjustment and would only be used for daytime/uncrowded areas although I would prefer it be more like FM & TV. The 75µs has been pretty standard for broadcast and probably was settled upon long ago after much research. For AM/FM combo receivers having them the same means fewer parts.

This boost is pretty mild compared to others like the RIAA curve on phonograph records which is a 2 stage pre-emphasis and a 40dB boost differential for 50Hz-20kHz. Maybe a 2 stage might be a good approach for AM too. De-Emphasize the bass a little since it occupies a lot of the amplitude headroom and the ear is more tolerable to a lower S/N in this region. It would also better balance the narrow band receivers for voice since there is not much response above 3kHz in them. A 2.65ms pre-emphasis with a 180Hz shelf might be a good start. 

> Yes, synchronous detection is a very good idea, with a noise blanker.

Noise blanking is part of the AMAX specifications for higher end radios. Motorola has designed and manufactured an AMAX front end/decoder chipset with this and other features, MC13027 & MC13122. Look into this chipset for insight on how to best go about this. If only this chipset had the hackability of the MC13020 to do pure synchronous detection a very good multi-system decoder could be made with it.

> I am also looking at adding noise reduction...

A single ended noise reduction would be acceptable and preferable. Check out the approach that the LM1894 National Semiconductor "Dynamic Noise Reduction" DNR® Audio Variable Low Pass Filter offers. This chip is found in many of the C-QUAM GM car radios during the 80's & 90's. I would prefer that another pilot tone not be used for this purpose although it would work well for this but it is not necessary since Dolby works without one and is a encode/decode process. The next generation pilot tone(s) should be a part of a slow digital data channel (think RDS) so check to see if there is already a specification on this for AM. For now staying with 25Hz that Motorola selected is probably best.

> Yes, Phase shift networks for Sine and Cosine another good idea.

A running phase shift for both I & Q channels with a 90 offset is best. One that is modeled from an analog version. A running phase shift helps to shift the harmonic peaks off their fundamentals thus lowering peak signal amplitude without reducing loudness. Kahn marketed a product called Symetra-Peak for broadcasters that did this. Although an analog 4 stage covering up to 12½kHz with greater sideband separation is nice a 3 stage is more economically practical and adequate offering 40dB separation for the 150Hz-10½kHz range.

JSG




 


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Analog TV sound is 15 kHz bandwidth using 50µs within the PAL system, therefore I would support both 75µs and 50µs for countries out side of US and Canada, as in the same way you have 10 kHz and 9 kHz channels. I found with my testing using 50µs with a standard wide AM IF, for example within the Sony SRF-A1, it was acting more like a group delay corrector. Where I got cleaner sound above 5 kHz. Testing on the Sony SRF-42 that supports AMAX there was no real difference between 75µs and 50µs pre-emphasis, the IF frequency response by far has the larger impact on the audio frequency than what the pre-emphasis does. If you tune off to the side of the carrier frequency and let more of the higher audio frequencies through that ends up miss-matching any de- emphasis used. So the outcome was the 50µs pre-emphasis was the better of two for all round compromise, over three types of AM stereo receivers I have here. As I stated before it is not easy to come AM stereo receivers these days. So therefore I will keep on testing both forms of pre-emphasis, but at this stage the 50µs seems the one that provide the best all round performance.          On the transmitter side I needed to drop back my modulation level to minimize clipping with the higher frequencies using 75µs up to 12.5 kHz, therefore you need more headroom with 75µs vs 50µs, (both were using a low pass filter at 12.5 kHz at 36 dB / Octave). So as with most AM transmitters the audio pre-processing become very important minimize this from happening.     It's good that there are still broadcast engineers that care about getting things set up right. Up here in Toronto there is only one FM station I can listen to, that has some level of dynamic range, all the others are always in the red. To enjoy music you need a good frequency response long side the dynamic range, it is possible to have both in broadcast radio. From my background in analog television broadcasting and later digital, I am not a supporter mixing analog and digital technology's, so I would not use a digital carrier in this way. But saying this I would go directly to a digital format like DRM or HD radio, without running them side by side. For example 10 kHz of DRM, running one audio channel using AAC+ encoding in mode A, sound very good. But this is going off topic, the key thing here is to take a new look at AM radio and see what can be done to improve this format, over what passes for current off the shelve receivers currently.     I will take a look at the LM1894 made by National Semiconductor and see how it could be used. All of this feedback and ideas I am getting, I will be adding into my demodulator circuity.          Yes, you can playback Dolby without using a decoder, I see your point about the staying with one pilot tone. So lets looks at ways noise reduction could possibly work with AM radio. Since you require some form of audio pre-processing anyway, how about having a common format for both encoding and decoding. You can no longer use Dolby NR, it is not able to be licensed after 2014, based on this a new NR system will be needed. Grant    On Wed, 2018-09-26 at 17:11 -0500, 'J. S. Gilstrap' johng@mylinuxisp.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > > Yes, the audio bandwidth needs to go up to 12½kHz for sure. > > You can hear the difference between FM stereo at 15 kHz and  > > AM stereo at 10kHz, but at 12½kHz it is very heard to tell them > > apart. I found that 75µs was a bit on the high side, a 50µs pre- > > emphasis is far better fit for 12½kHz, after months of testing  > > both. With a 36 dB / Octave lowpass filter set to 12½kHz at the > > 3 dB down point. This was one of first things I notices with my > experiments. > > Analog mono TV used 12½kHz audio for years and I found it perfectly > acceptable. Most pre-made cassette tapes played in the typical player > don't have a response much past 12½kHz but still sound good. I came > to the same conclusion using an mp3 encoder with an adjustable low > pass filter set at 15kHz with a 2½kHz transition zone, meaning that > it had a -3dB@12½kHz corner frequency, and that was completely > attenuated at 15kHz. > > Here are 3 samples on YouTube of C-QUAM broadcasts in Japan > supposedly using 12½kHz audio. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew9gtR0ZKwo > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq6KSavcVMI > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAPKTnJtnA > > You can tell that the broadcast engineers did an excellent job at the > station as I hear no appreciable distortion at all. It was probably a > very good receiver too. > As for the pre-emphasis both FM and analog TV use 75µs but neither of > them are shelved with an 8.7kHz pole. It probably shelves somewhere > above 20kHz. Shelving at 8.7kHz only provides 10dB boost at 10kHz, > less than what FM or TV has and their typical reception is quieter > than AM to begin with. > > During the HF wars the 75µs with the 8.7kHz shelf was a compromise > along with the 10kHz audio as many broadcasters were using a radical > amount of boost with 15kHz audio to overcome the effects of the > narrow band receivers and creating a substantial amount of adjacent > channel interference especially at night. As receiver manufacturers > narrowed the receiver IF to compensate the more boost the > broadcasters used. It got out of hand and something had to be done > and the NRSC 75µs/8.7kHz shelf was the solution. > > If anything a little more boost is beneficial for the high > frequencies especially when increasing response to 12½kHz but still > need to be respectful of adjacent channel interference issues. With > 50µs without a shelf the boost is just under 10dB@10kHz, less than > the current NRSC. In the cut in zone for 50µs, around 3.2kHz, I do > like better for various other reasons but it doesn't provide enough > high frequency boost unless you use a 2nd order pre-emphasis so I > don't think this is the way to go. 12½kHz is ~⅓ octave higher than > 10kHz so increasing the shelf frequency ~⅓ octave, from 8.7kHz to > 11kHz, isn't too radical of an adjustment and would only be used for > daytime/uncrowded areas although I would prefer it be more like FM & > TV. The 75µs has been pretty standard for broadcast and probably was > settled upon long ago after much research. For AM/FM combo receivers > having them the same means fewer parts. > > This boost is pretty mild compared to others like the RIAA curve on > phonograph records which is a 2 stage pre-emphasis and a 40dB boost > differential for 50Hz-20kHz. Maybe a 2 stage might be a good approach > for AM too. De-Emphasize the bass a little since it occupies a lot of > the amplitude headroom and the ear is more tolerable to a lower S/N > in this region. It would also better balance the narrow band > receivers for voice since there is not much response above 3kHz in > them. A 2.65ms pre-emphasis with a 180Hz shelf might be a good > start.   > > Yes, synchronous detection is a very good idea, with a noise > blanker. > > Noise blanking is part of the AMAX specifications for higher end > radios. Motorola has designed and manufactured an AMAX front > end/decoder chipset with this and other features, MC13027 & MC13122. > Look into this chipset for insight on how to best go about this. If > only this chipset had the hackability of the MC13020 to do pure > synchronous detection a very good multi-system decoder could be made > with it.  > > I am also looking at adding noise reduction... > > A single ended noise reduction would be acceptable and preferable. > Check out the approach that the LM1894 National Semiconductor > "Dynamic Noise Reduction" DNR® Audio Variable Low Pass Filter offers. > This chip is found in many of the C-QUAM GM car radios during the > 80's & 90's. I would prefer that another pilot tone not be used for > this purpose although it would work well for this but it is not > necessary since Dolby works without one and is a encode/decode > process. The next generation pilot tone(s) should be a part of a slow > digital data channel (think RDS) so check to see if there is already > a specification on this for AM. For now staying with 25Hz that > Motorola selected is probably best. > > Yes, Phase shift networks for Sine and Cosine another good idea. > > A running phase shift for both I & Q channels with a 90 offset is > best. One that is modeled from an analog version. A running phase > shift helps to shift the harmonic peaks off their fundamentals thus > lowering peak signal amplitude without reducing loudness. Kahn > marketed a product called Symetra-Peak for broadcasters that did > this. Although an analog 4 stage covering up to 12½kHz with greater > sideband separation is nice a 3 stage is more economically practical > and adequate offering 40dB separation       for the 150Hz-10½kHz > range. > > JSG > > > >   > > > From johng@mylinuxisp.com Fri Sep 28 17:16:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: johng@mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25752 invoked by uid 102); 29 Sep 2018 00:16:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.198.29.79) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2018 00:16:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13459 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2018 00:16:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4000.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.222.143.200) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2018 00:16:16 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: none (domain of mylinuxisp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-YMailISG: eL6ZBUgWLDv_E5FR2Z.t3ZAGwgCvt8UEfrM8qlQeqYMcQBnb vp.X8BWIjSXt46kX41QlcRnJWvy.87QJeTvK3S8bZmbtX8_XrVnLLjSM6N9T 0SHiI0JZ1GtY8Af9ITlq5Xse0j9DvmZGGagZrBNqH_pvN3zg2DhndEpP1y5a _QCprdki.e0HAy6.9KoRWE_j0SvcCW3.UaqceNRCeBH7AOoZCmTPetsMxI5C Ab.rkHJjbyt7tS7UeeaW6ZTfGVwah0SlnoZCIgGWfRH9zM7hRSsxd14yC2C1 ZGTbxlzB5hibiRWp3zwDhRtMQMSYEuALcKoNQYagdjQ8NAWxPeX0KTGZaAYQ 5RqgPYVuXmgPUh40uspjMK0ErGGGJWnP2k4Y4OeamXDOhrnnnLamWnQkhGr9 m9obC30nZM9_DWCwpj5Oe3VjfcxW3tIkwtn9MvV3BPPDuwmKCzftM50g7JB. 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S. Gilstrap" --------------4D41FFA3F19194F14D6B54D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In the states analog TV was 12½kHz before stereo was introduced, then it was bumped up to 15kHz. I was unaware that PAL used 50µs for pre-emphasis. 75µs is/was the standard for FM & TV in the America so I guess this was the logical choice for AM also. I think the reason that most AM broadcasters are able to use 75µs without clipping issues is the professional audio pre-processing used and the 8.7kHz pole helped also. The best was the Optimod 9100B, a 4 band audio compressor and next was the AmigoAM. Both were engineered for best C-QUAM AM Stereo performance using some form of matrix processing. One of these processors is a must for the best quality sound to keep modulation levels up and not have any reception issues. The 2nd gen C-QUAM exciters themselves have modulation limiters for both I & Q channels, limiting envelope to -85% and 'Q' to produce no more than ±71½° deviation during heavy stereo modulation. Unfortunately it really takes a lot of heavy broadcast processing to make AM Stereo sound great at the receiver. In some cases I think the reason that 50µs (~3.2kHz) works better is that the initial natural de-emphasis in the receiver from all the RF & IF bandwidth filters is probably down -3dB in the 3-4kHz range making 50µs a better fit without using heavy pre-processing. Since 75µs/8.7kHz is the AMAX standard having the RF & IF filters roll some of the signal off early can help with selectivity for envelope detectors and if done properly not need any post detection de-emphasis, a total bandpass that has the response of the NRSC2 curve, may be possible. Motorola suggested rolling off Cosine correction in the 3-6kHz range for transmission since any C-QUAMing above this range was of little benefit and only caused unneeded spectrum spreading outside the transmission mask. The 50µs spot matches this well so from that standpoint it could be used in conjunction with a TX/RX scheme that optimized C-QUAM encode/decode where an LC tank IF filter bandwidth mimicked the 50µs de-emphasis in the receiver. At 450kHz that's only a Q of ~70, attainable with high quality components. I'm OK with 50µs as I think it's a better fit for C-QUAM. Is this w/o a pole to shelve it? I ran some numbers on it and w/o a pole the boost at 10kHz is on par with the NRSC2 curve. It's best to pole it but to maintain the boost the pole needs to be above 50kHz. Here are some graphs of Various Pre-Emphasis I made. They also include some curves with a 2.65ms/180Hz pre-emphasis added to help reduce bass modulation levels. In a former life I built speakers and the power balance of the components were 75W woofer, 15-20W midrange, 10W tweeter. The bass contains the majority of the power in music programming occupying 50-70% of signal amplitude. This bass reduction of about 8dB for the lowest frequencies could add about 3-5dB of headroom for the mids and highs. The reduced S/N in the bass region will not be missed. These lower frequencies on each side of the carrier are the most protected and the ear is the least sensitive to noise in this region. IF frequency response is definitely the biggest factor and de-tuning definitely pulls in more highs. On my CC Radio I can de-tune up to 2-3kHz before it becomes too distorted. C-QUAM requires the carrier to be centered in all RF & IF filters so all the pre-distorted sidebands are received in a phase linear manner allowing the Cosine corrector to remove the distortion properly. This is true for envelope detection in general but C-QUAM is more critical. With synchronous detection in receiving only one of the sidebands in this manner there will be no distortion at all. For now 25Hz is OK. For future receiver design with a multi-mode decoder I think OFDM pilot tones would be more versatile, able to carry more information (meta data) about the different modes, station ID etc... If 4 separate tones could fit into the 20-35Hz range of L-R as well as another 4 in L+R this could carry an 8-Bit word per transition. RDS is already used in analog FM for these purposes. It would just be slower for AM. I've always been against digital broadcast in crowded bands below 30mHz because of skywave issues. A digital signal is a constant strength 100% duty cycle and skywave can be overloaded much faster this way. A few of the large broadcasters turned off HD Radio at night because of this, interfering with some of their other adjacent stations in nearby cities. I think HD Radio on AM has turned out to be mostly a failure because of this. Why run it at all if you can't run it 24/7. The LM1894 is an analog chip providing a variable frequency low pass filter keyed off the energy from a ~7kHz highpass to modulate it. If you're building a digital based decoder it may be cheaper to emulate it. The concept itself is not proprietary. There have been several LPF marketed like this, Burwin made one long ago in the 70's. NS just put it all in one chip needing minimal external components. Starting with the MC13022 Motorola varied the Q of the 10kHz notch filter for NR and also had a variable Q input LC tank and both were controlled by the Signal Quality Detector circuit inside the chip. I didn't know that the old Dolby had been deprecated. I guess the only one licensed now is Dolby Surround for (home) theater. I would think that all the original patents for Dolby B would have expired by now. If all patents have expired then the process could be freely used but it couldn't be called Dolby. Regarding DNR I guess the encode process could be a variable pre-emphasis matching the LM1894 style LPF de-emphasis. The Loudness Wars. In the beginning with the limited S/N ratio at times for AM it was necessary to employ some sort of compression. Most people associated station loudness with signal strength and would choose to listen to the louder station. Station competition was at play here so broadcasters began to use excessive amounts of compression to draw in listeners. Unfortunately this concept spread to FM where it was not even needed. Next it was CDs. If you observe the waveforms on some popular style music CDs these days they look mostly solid with little dynamic range. They call it normalizing and limiting. JSG --------------4D41FFA3F19194F14D6B54D8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

In the states analog TV was 12½kHz before stereo was introduced, then it was bumped up to 15kHz.


I was unaware that PAL used 50µs for pre-emphasis. 75µs is/was the standard for FM & TV in the America so I guess this was the logical choice for AM also. I think the reason that most AM broadcasters are able to use 75µs without clipping issues is the professional audio pre-processing used and the 8.7kHz pole helped also. The best was the Optimod 9100B, a 4 band audio compressor and next was the AmigoAM. Both were engineered for best C-QUAM AM Stereo performance using some form of matrix processing. One of these processors is a must for the best quality sound to keep modulation levels up and not have any reception issues. The 2nd gen C-QUAM exciters themselves have modulation limiters for both I & Q channels, limiting envelope to -85% and 'Q' to produce no more than ±71½° deviation during heavy stereo modulation. Unfortunately it really takes a lot of heavy broadcast processing to make AM Stereo sound great at the receiver.


In some cases I think the reason that 50µs (~3.2kHz) works better is that the initial natural de-emphasis in the receiver from all the RF & IF bandwidth filters is probably down -3dB in the 3-4kHz range making 50µs a better fit without using heavy pre-processing. Since 75µs/8.7kHz is the AMAX standard having the RF & IF filters roll some of the signal off early can help with selectivity for envelope detectors and if done properly not need any post detection de-emphasis, a total bandpass that has the response of the NRSC2 curve, may be possible.


Motorola suggested rolling off Cosine correction in the 3-6kHz range for transmission since any C-QUAMing above this range was of little benefit and only caused unneeded spectrum spreading outside the transmission mask. The 50µs spot matches this well so from that standpoint it could be used in conjunction with a TX/RX scheme that optimized C-QUAM encode/decode where an LC tank IF filter bandwidth mimicked the 50µs de-emphasis in the receiver. At 450kHz that's only a Q of ~70, attainable with high quality components.


I'm OK with 50µs as I think it's a better fit for C-QUAM. Is this w/o a pole to shelve it? I ran some numbers on it and w/o a pole the boost at 10kHz is on par with the NRSC2 curve. It's best to pole it but to maintain the boost the pole needs to be above 50kHz. Here are some graphs of Various Pre-Emphasis I made. They also include some curves with a 2.65ms/180Hz pre-emphasis added to help reduce bass modulation levels. In a former life I built speakers and the power balance of the components were 75W woofer, 15-20W midrange, 10W tweeter. The bass contains the majority of the power in music programming occupying 50-70% of signal amplitude. This bass reduction of about 8dB for the lowest frequencies could add about 3-5dB of headroom for the mids and highs. The reduced S/N in the bass region will not be missed. These lower frequencies on each side of the carrier are the most protected and the ear is the least sensitive to noise in this region.


IF frequency response is definitely the biggest factor and de-tuning definitely pulls in more highs. On my CC Radio I can de-tune up to 2-3kHz before it becomes too distorted. C-QUAM requires the carrier to be centered in all RF & IF filters so all the pre-distorted sidebands are received in a phase linear manner allowing the Cosine corrector to remove the distortion properly. This is true for envelope detection in general but C-QUAM is more critical. With synchronous detection in receiving only one of the sidebands in this manner there will be no distortion at all.


For now 25Hz is OK. For future receiver design with a multi-mode decoder I think OFDM pilot tones would be more versatile, able to carry more information (meta data) about the different modes, station ID etc... If 4 separate tones could fit into the 20-35Hz range of L-R as well as another 4 in L+R this could carry an 8-Bit word per transition. RDS is already used in analog FM for these purposes. It would just be slower for AM. I've always been against digital broadcast in crowded bands below 30mHz because of skywave issues. A digital signal is a constant strength 100% duty cycle and skywave can be overloaded much faster this way. A few of the large broadcasters turned off HD Radio at night because of this, interfering with some of their other adjacent stations in nearby cities. I think HD Radio on AM has turned out to be mostly a failure because of this. Why run it at all if you can't run it 24/7.


The LM1894 is an analog chip providing a variable frequency low pass filter keyed off the energy from a ~7kHz highpass to modulate it. If you're building a digital based decoder it may be cheaper to emulate it. The concept itself is not proprietary. There have been several LPF marketed like this, Burwin made one long ago in the 70's. NS just put it all in one chip needing minimal external components.


Starting with the MC13022 Motorola varied the Q of the 10kHz notch filter for NR and also had a variable Q input LC tank and both were controlled by the Signal Quality Detector circuit inside the chip.


I didn't know that the old Dolby had been deprecated. I guess the only one licensed now is Dolby Surround for (home) theater. I would think that all the original patents for Dolby B would have expired by now. If all patents have expired then the process could be freely used but it couldn't be called Dolby. Regarding DNR I guess the encode process could be a variable pre-emphasis matching the LM1894 style LPF de-emphasis.


The Loudness Wars. In the beginning with the limited S/N ratio at times for AM it was necessary to employ some sort of compression. Most people associated station loudness with signal strength and would choose to listen to the louder station. Station competition was at play here so broadcasters began to use excessive amounts of compression to draw in listeners. Unfortunately this concept spread to FM where it was not even needed. Next it was CDs. If you observe the waveforms on some popular style music CDs these days they look mostly solid with little dynamic range. They call it normalizing and limiting.


JSG



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As for looking at new version of Dolby NR, I am sure there are better minds out there, that could look at how this would work than mine. As for the "Loudness wars", yes we have a major issue here, it got so bad here that I no longer buy CD's, the last one I got had a dynamic range of about 10 dB. It is a sad day where a record or LP has a larger dynamic range than what CD have recorded on them.  Good news is I am in the process of getting a experimental AM license for my 100 Watt transmitter for the Spring of 2019, the plan is to operate for three months. I have requested space for a 25 kHz channel to test all of what we have talked about, and to prove that AM radio can sound as almost as good as FM. So I am looking for site and I am in contact with one of the local radio stations here to provide a feed.  Next step is to find a way to get AM stereo receivers back on the market, to do this you need to define what the requirements are. With DSP been used more and more in radio these days, it becomes a case of getting the software installed to decode AM stereo. This is why I am now spending more time looking at ways this can be done in a FPGA. So lets put our ideas together to improve this next generation of radio receivers. 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Where you phase out or phase in the required signals, from a sine/cosine inputs. As for the noise reduction I may end up using the LM1894 as you have commented on. But the better way would be do all of this in DSP chip, but first I need test some of the key parts out in hardware. For the filtering I would use the MAX292 as a programmable low pass filter, to set the bandwidth. Long side the MAX264 to set the notch frequency for the 9 / 10 kHz. 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I am someone who always looks on the positive side and makes these things happen.  Grant On Tue, 2018-10-02 at 02:05 +0000, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] wrote: > Increasing audio to 12.5 would be nice, but not gonna happen in the > US- the band is too crowded.  Plus the difference between 12.5 day > and 7.5 night would be very noticeable to the average listener and > might not be accepted. > > Scott Todd > From zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au Mon Oct 01 19:55:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28045 invoked by uid 102); 2 Oct 2018 02:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.224.239) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2018 02:55:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23017 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2018 02:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4003.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.221.10.34) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2018 02:55:13 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoo.com.au designates 66.163.186.146 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: _EXIhdkWLDu3Q_3s2jPEN6.Ay8.tIuVV181ntx_zvMzmDEW9 VchUThfORAgh1q3wqSJqyjdFLU6PWavRA6VIVnSbUoS7RxU8z1eq0dExmWTk W_hZwZ665yyFCzb7MG4.shUjDZv9T4CnDGh2n17THEubjOdesu8K82fmv_Js R4EHGuoHTXLz8Admfb0sNQskT_b3wjS9S9xG1NUs5hVz33C1cc135gm4Wd5A ncLEMldhj0qkE1drixtMMtIrPGNVq3i9EZUr2X6YzgO.bq3J88RRGlewsb0E cyVhAaBgyOxLCj7U0EHOlTVRouHsmupU__apG58KMtPuH3HNdtxls_iuNu_. 4KahQz1dUqUArZ0X3lMg8td6ns9V53yigLN10MUYDIMn1hbcpaqTleuauERz _cTzruobDjuDKTZFut6Eetf6UCaRZizVnUQdgnTknd8Y0LQtYOsVTLjzyn2v s8kPo.P.qHMB3jO6bbA5DWlMuIN_1uOcLJ2ZSQ0hvDFQuXh6f3VhznRm5yeB NGz8WKIhdVqWC6fMDSmlhN_Gk8E4RDwM.dNHcAvVQfaLUECo0r3h2R042Die lYSYdO5kCIkQztd1m6O1TiHXU22ndvJQVi9pzadvis.6izmCtDIspofvh1W2 R0P4Zris_SjcmZKJAVtUDwiFqlkyJGB1YuHcy2o3yVEeKiYR7BBkWQtA5NgO 1b4GK_TRjZBdkF76pjIBRs4qAq.n3ON7gge.sL4cwLv81tln0.9WMIZFTueN DF29wV0UuWFXMlsTxM0EDgdOYggjFN1NlBfdiXD2IJA27UewIC2HMtrcjkBb zktrZFC4TsfC37Cl.cnM.IhTuj7xzrXgNdVOj5skdBpbbKcGYsl9VN0YWdON s0Wjm6mVJUWH_c4c8at0hmdgxD38s.PcNy4_IlKPjgrSv6o1f6d2OB9gbu.q behjQh9_ARCaOHH2qgwwqZp3uPCmQo23_p42MpMW6ApXUoqti0xh7ZdbAGho O8Ty_iPIQQTkWClb_jcXP4vjaTlahufE2IuKSLE4yv1.bRbsvEASsfxCeGS4 3PVEZb8Fr2xYg_m1zmcHEI5yrGHmrYGvdDEYvOnx Authentication-Results: mta4003.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com from=yahoo.com.au; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoo.com.au; dkim=pass (ok) X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO sonic302-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (66.163.186.146) by mta4003.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 02 Oct 2018 02:55:13 +0000 X-YMail-OSG: LeSD2v0VM1mbpl17bqEBgnQtDg3CwOCOx049NvoNXHvh5ayu0lLP9Q6OCLNZG1b 6gf6Y2UMXN.7ZiShHbnkmvQyy03J8ygllGjDMfC8P67VKWfSn2_J01bwFH3Or4rT.v6tiAN.xYs0 JKkzuPTYu8hLM4.JTJGQsZ3cR9tqq6TjrNbzMhxHROGL1OJ6ODG12Wkl4vrAY6Ls_i5FPxvmRIRi ILivkCuf7fVZXPRI4vcpFkmIQengRa5BJ_IiGykNQ9P0OH8ShT4vD4Y5qvh78WlUiMcXNa9nmkhJ N_HvepzD17qrpv_4sgf31ijk.eOu5pP6qy0hXn6QZ84Sb8O8VKy5MlKUGDOTwhgIhzwEeja9qdIU ckYUfZEEzqfGdS0_a83tUVkFvdZMU.SJJssAp.XSN43vR_964VWHpGh0NsIlADGTjSp8WowlLwFC N_nd4CWLZnbpK3BFL0CT9DuklxNZEHS1HKZkI8oZO0J4Po5E_0IjPmcR6j71kjOoKSCT892wI0ah 6shEN92Ea9.P6uJaTszM646G.1.ViXQJhBy0wGftfsVNRTag1D_KZmRVMpe5H56aBK_EnuIXHVW7 fg2tdQDQN._wYJeFdd.O_kSGSG0EqE201NjtyyM_DCOhjiN3SLS6yEq37XxcY4qw9yPdfQW4GvSo 40QB1Ie5lWcjolt0T2xrYQ9OtdoRYKQC6QsVSjvxXa8_NMvU4nk8BSVgWX2lZbyy.u4lTM0tE2Ru QQXHEkn0A..zhDGRcbRy4Tts0wPYD3HHU65JBeTtnLdMp.bcOySJiZFIFxAJw5RL4011vqvfyGF5 fFgUiLDaC0E_Xuu1sloiMaWV2_V7Y2z7yFCyQDmDyu_tQCIuXrnHKcmI9Vi3owziV7.jrZAVQM8U pzo412E.zEyLYeS_KmwptPzWxOiubG4qEA0MXO.jZ3Slkb4Xfi0dteYxEIiGqWoLYUD3STnwBElc 6qO_qH1u9I2lL8ZO7BghanUhDVojb.HMfem0tjNZMGrwrptnJbRUQmQ-- X-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 02:55:12 +0000 X-Received: from 209.141.178.152 (EHLO [192.168.0.11]) ([209.141.178.152]) by smtp421.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c0cd039c38ced2a1b9e43f966c20140b for ; Tue, 02 Oct 2018 02:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1538448908.7079.16.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 22:55:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.221.10.34 Subject: Idea for a NR circuit using the LM1894 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=Nmg1zSgI4mKHS-fMfKWS6DV1z9mrS17vRWnvXZf0AJTilw X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: zl1wtt1 Hi All, I have put a circuit together based around the=C2=A0LM1894, replacing the 1= 9 kHz filter with one for 10 kHz. I plan experiment with this idea over the next few months, it will be another interesting project to try. 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This is due to the way the phasing modulator works, I may have to add an extra stage to the circuit to trim out the phase shift for mono transmissions. The target market is low power local stations that want to run a music format, without a big loss of quality. The audio bandwidth can be set anywhere from 2 to 15 kHz, so it is possible to change this. As for the US market I have not looked into this, maybe with the new USMCA this could now be possible. As for space there is a lot more stations on FM, leaving some room on the AM band to try out new ideas. Any work on the transmitter this will need to be done long side the receiver developments, so there is lots to do over the next 12 months, to make this all happen. 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S. Gilstrap" --------------FEB9330C516374EF622650CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Those MAX filter chips sound interesting. I saw that they have both Butterworth & Bessel low pass filters. Do they have high pass versions also? Just wondering how smooth they are. Regular analog filters are usually smooth and warm compared to digital or switched filters. The LM1894 chip does offer a 19kHz trap but it is an LC notch and I don't know if the Q is high enough to be used at 10kHz. At 19kHz it doesn't have to be since it is above the audio range. The Q of the LC notch at 10kHz may attenuate the signal too much for the filter to work efficiently. Since you will be using 10kHz notch filters anyway placing the LM1894 after them is a more logical approach. A bootstrapped Twin-T notch filter that is commonly used for whistle filters only cuts out a 150-300Hz bandwidth at 10kHz. One of the issues with wideband AM and DTR is that the tuning diodes are matched sets and a fixed amount of capacitance is added to the one for the LO to approximate the 450kHz offset from the tuned RF. It's not a perfect tracking but a best fit S curve that works fine for narrowband receivers but for wideband perfect tracking is needed. With the old air core tuning capacitors it can be seen that the taper is different for the RF and LO and tracking is near perfect in single conversion receivers. Using dual conversion can avoid the RF preselector as the 1st IF is at 10.7mHz using a narrowband FM filter that offers a completely flat in amplitude & phase response of >±20kHz that does the preselection. The 2nd IF is at 450kHz and a ±15kHz filter can be used there. The MC13030 is a dual conversion receiver chip that tunes into the lower end of the SW band below 10mHz. Using one of these offers a nearly flat 15kHz audio response with a flat group delay response perfect for AM Stereo. It is my understanding that some of the larger broadcasters voluntarily cut back to 5kHz at night to help relieve the overcrowding issues. Most radios are a narrowband 5kHz anyway to deal this problem. Obviously the band plan has been poorly managed and the result is skywave overload so severely reducing the bandwidth is the only solution until the number of stations and their power can be reduced. During the daytime there are areas where stations could broadcast 15kHz audio and not interfere with other stations. In these cases those stations should NOT be restricted to 10kHz audio but allowed go up to 15 kHz if desired. JSG --------------FEB9330C516374EF622650CE Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Those MAX filter chips sound interesting. I saw that they have both Butterworth & Bessel low pass filters. Do they have high pass versions also? Just wondering how smooth they are. Regular analog filters are usually smooth and warm compared to digital or switched filters.


The LM1894 chip does offer a 19kHz trap but it is an LC notch and I don't know if the Q is high enough to be used at 10kHz. At 19kHz it doesn't have to be since it is above the audio range. The Q of the LC notch at 10kHz may attenuate the signal too much for the filter to work efficiently. Since you will be using 10kHz notch filters anyway placing the LM1894 after them is a more logical approach. A bootstrapped Twin-T notch filter that is commonly used for whistle filters only cuts out a 150-300Hz bandwidth at 10kHz.


One of the issues with wideband AM and DTR is that the tuning diodes are matched sets and a fixed amount of capacitance is added to the one for the LO to approximate the 450kHz offset from the tuned RF. It's not a perfect tracking but a best fit S curve that works fine for narrowband receivers but for wideband perfect tracking is needed. With the old air core tuning capacitors it can be seen that the taper is different for the RF and LO and tracking is near perfect in single conversion receivers. Using dual conversion can avoid the RF preselector as the 1st IF is at 10.7mHz using a narrowband FM filter that offers a completely flat in amplitude & phase response of >±20kHz that does the preselection. The 2nd IF is at 450kHz and a ±15kHz filter can be used there. The MC13030 is a dual conversion receiver chip that tunes into the lower end of the SW band below 10mHz. Using one of these offers a nearly flat 15kHz audio response with a flat group delay response perfect for AM Stereo.


It is my understanding that some of the larger broadcasters voluntarily cut back to 5kHz at night to help relieve the overcrowding issues. Most radios are a narrowband 5kHz anyway to deal this problem. Obviously the band plan has been poorly managed and the result is skywave overload so severely reducing the bandwidth is the only solution until the number of stations and their power can be reduced. During the daytime there are areas where stations could broadcast 15kHz audio and not interfere with other stations. In these cases those stations should NOT be restricted to 10kHz audio but allowed go up to 15 kHz if desired.


JSG

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As for a high pass filter, I would used a low pass and an Op- amp to covert it to a high pass.  As for the LM1894 and the the 10 kHz trap, I was also thinking that as well. I may try making the value of C9 lower and see if it changes the Q. To keep the cost down I may leave out the MAX notch filter and this would mean I am left with one filter as part of the LM1894. I like the look of the MC13030, I need to spend more time going over this data sheet. I was thinking of I & Q mixer design, but there are another approach I could take. I would like to see a level flexibility when come to transmission bandwidth, it is not a case one size fits all. Grant   On Tue, 2018-10-02 at 22:54 -0500, 'J. S. Gilstrap' johng@mylinuxisp.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > Those MAX filter chips sound interesting. I saw that they have both > Butterworth & Bessel low pass filters. Do they have high pass > versions also? Just wondering how smooth they are. Regular analog > filters are usually smooth and warm compared to digital or switched > filters. > > The LM1894 chip does offer a 19kHz trap but it is an LC notch and I > don't know if the Q is high enough to be used at 10kHz. At 19kHz it > doesn't have to be since it is above the audio range. The Q of the LC > notch at 10kHz may attenuate the signal too much for the filter to > work efficiently. Since you will be using 10kHz notch filters anyway > placing the LM1894 after them is a more logical approach. A > bootstrapped Twin-T notch filter that is commonly used for whistle > filters only cuts out a 150-300Hz bandwidth at 10kHz. > > > One of the issues with wideband AM and DTR is that the tuning diodes > are matched sets and a fixed amount of capacitance is added to the > one for the LO to approximate the 450kHz offset from the tuned RF. > It's not a perfect tracking but a best fit S curve that works fine > for narrowband receivers but for wideband perfect tracking is needed. > With the old air core tuning capacitors it can be seen that the taper > is different for the RF and LO and tracking is near perfect in single > conversion receivers. Using dual conversion can avoid the RF > preselector as the 1st IF is at 10.7mHz using a narrowband FM filter > that offers a completely flat in amplitude & phase response of > >±20kHz that does the preselection. The 2nd IF is at 450kHz and a > ±15kHz filter can be used there. The MC13030 is a dual conversion > receiver chip that tunes into the lower end of the SW band below > 10mHz. Using one of these offers a nearly flat 15kHz audio response > with a flat group delay response perfect for AM Stereo. > > > It is my understanding that some of the larger broadcasters > voluntarily cut back to 5kHz at night to help relieve the > overcrowding issues. Most radios are a narrowband 5kHz anyway to deal > this problem. Obviously the band plan has been poorly managed and the > result is skywave overload so severely reducing the bandwidth is the > only solution until the number of stations and their power can be > reduced. During the daytime there are areas where stations could > broadcast 15kHz audio and not interfere with other stations. In these > cases those stations should NOT be restricted to 10kHz audio but > allowed go up to 15 kHz if desired. > > > JSG > From johng@mylinuxisp.com Thu Oct 04 11:46:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: johng@mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3415 invoked by uid 102); 4 Oct 2018 18:46:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.224.239) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2018 18:46:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14143 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2018 18:46:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4000.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.222.143.200) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2018 18:46:37 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: none (domain of mylinuxisp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-YMailISG: VfeE0BYWLDvNu5KkK9TUqVF1.5kUCSyeNMO8YPkrZKopADTH coxm__7jlEqx7c2u5l6xzLC2MouRBOhPlC.MJAJm9htwh8HMCcArAOBKAKxk bd5WB5sqkkEuQgUC1nICwthAv00CvzKJBhM7AqHzGHy1s0MrQ3GrelPgziy4 yJFJ.BUKcvsDl1FsDzF.eJ0BK3wiyu1UyTwaMpUL77y0JDEnJAX4nJV6mTrN ACN65qRREgcq2Xs9QbtsE2KwBCbzqfi5dBjDOFy5_AVrTeDJMVbh2gfuMKnX XMOdY0vPiNLTB1AyneIgvVkUgVD9ta_3R2NbY9JaZzIaLTVj7NqwnY_61YPi kaBmumAvMVY25wHXouqFBD0yvdaTmPnmP8o8YxaZkb98bNx1IxBSJ6l67yII 2v8Jrq_VSUTe5_v9Vns90mrcKmxlpInqizISrTabWj5I4MTUZYDf0Mo7nqTG y9lH34wVHo1xpaPCp5QFUbFgbgeYQvqw6vaw60ULa5Zg_Fe2CqxFYgmEc8MQ t.G6oG8OqptjyhEWk3fGQHOD5Lsl3XWex9e1V_Zo0FSx865WGkrgps4JfC3p YRIMB0q_cEROatpzLp5aI6vSKuWpYKdyyt8otTpD4KTH4iugqg9sPUhhh1uI NCOQ27l0f34qmkDpwlLIjmf98jUYQAA0kCKO6x35484kmtC5g1AaECW_t.wo AQiUUoT8T8YqJ8_LEMKR3mDXoicjtsF.07xDLqmCtHpC4Z1Xrs47G.lOhiDS JgU_eHksoytQuy7lZg5YORnC3Nq8JfZIZt62JeKT1rcck7Xcn2DbTHSyf_tv 7jUQKVtCWXChAj1UrPSHHvvh3rjE242fLzhWR38MlquIQhJwhLU9YWIaHP3A POYK_pohP2d8dc9MfUwfW0TbKjwNFcwkk2LVuIlUBKl3B7QanlnZvmxgX6WA hW9_99ZVgE98JA8kPokIGwQzpmu6PDnnyo420iy7HAAqk4WiQJ3abC7lZaTF HDmjURHQEXJXql_wFoIiexbua7DKgKFP7MfftHTPTBOto5oOMzQRFD6_gb_J Roi2ZhSWYL.mSA-- Authentication-Results: mta4000.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com from=mylinuxisp.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=mylinuxisp.com; dkim=neutral (no sig) X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO imta-38.everyone.net) (216.200.145.35) by mta4000.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:46:37 +0000 X-Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w94IjNRf030962 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 11:46:36 -0700 X-Eon-Originating-Account: jUNo3PPVDfSau7wQCC30RHqk5DUor-aDVEb23QmwmyE11xMwk0s2QCT3zSMit2NH X-Eon-Dm: m0117124.ppops.net X-Received: by m0117124.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac3a632a) id m0117124.5bb534d4.8d7e2 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 11:45:44 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQMkrbtbtl/YDNuVlwIAAAAB,64af16c6220ea70a2fcad0da656d65c0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3a5212b7-15e9-6966-9f8c-aeba86978e3e@mylinuxisp.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:45:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BC0630BE024AF04B30F1E836" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2018-10-04_07:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1034 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1810040167 X-Originating-IP: 10.222.143.200 Subject: Re: AM stereo improvements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=580965132; y=gijMUQIV_QlXibaDxGU5iEeqrTI_AnTYzs7YZyp_fkmljw X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst From: "J. S. Gilstrap" --------------BC0630BE024AF04B30F1E836 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Grant > From what I have done with them they seem to be much the > same as a LC filter. As for a high pass filter, I would used a > low pass and an Op-amp to covert it to a high pass. Yea, subtract the low pass from the signal to get high pass. That will work but you will have to adjust the delay of the signal to match the delay of the filter to get complete attenuation in the stopband. I have done something similar to produce a flat phase 2nd order high pass filter for L-R. > As for the LM1894 and the the 10 kHz trap, I was also thinking > that as well. I may try making the value of C9 lower and see if > it changes the Q. To keep the cost down I may leave out the> > MAX notch filter and this would mean I am left with one filter as > part of the LM1894. My only concern is that the 10kHz LC notch in the LM1894 is only in the control path of the chip and on strong high frequency material where it will be fully open it will also pass the 10kHz whistle. One trick that Motorola did with the Twin-T integrated whistle filters in the MC13022 is varying the bootstrap level thus varying the Q. When the filters have no bootstrap level, where the 'T' is essentially grounded, the Q is much less and the filter is not a narrow notch but a broad attenuation on each side of 10kHz. This may not be the exact same response as DNR but it does vary the high frequency level. Developing a control circuit to drive the Twin-T filters might be another option. > I like the look of the MC13030, I need to spend more time > going over this data sheet. I was thinking of I & Q mixer > design, but there are another approach I could take. The I & Q mixer is a SSB RF mixer using sideband phasing filters for image rejection. This works well also but doesn't offer the out of band rejection level that dual conversion offers. With the I & Q method you will need the RF sideband phasing filters to cover the range of the band and the wider it is the more filtering needed. With dual conversion you get 2 ceramic wide band filters offering > 60dB attenuation total with a flat ±15kHz response and a tuning range for LW, MW to the lower end of the SW. Since the MC13030 is already designed for this and has specified recommended components most of the work has been done. Just some tweaking to apply for the specific application. For transmission you might be interested in the inner workings of the AmigoAM matrix processor specifically designed for C-QUAM and NRSC compliance. It has a midrange presence adjustment, dual band L & R limiters, tri-band L+R & L-R matrix processing limiters not to mention other features. The limiters are really a combo Limiter/OverEasyCompressor where the signal is limited(clipped) and when clipped it generates a current that drives an LM13600 transconductance amplifier. The output of the amplifier subtracts from the input of the limiter reducing signal levels until a balance is reached where the signal is no longer clipped. The time constant for clipping is short enough that it is not perceived by the ear until the gain of the transconductance amplifier can come up to level to reduce the input signal to the below clipping level. I counted at least 13 of these limiters in the unit. Here is the Technical Manual & Installation Guide . By studying these it will give you a good Idea of what is needed for good C-QUAM processing. I think these were posted in the forum awhile back or someone sent them to me. They may be in the forum database. If not you can access them via the links. 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Hi, Grant


> From what I have done with them they seem to be much the

> same as a LC filter. As for a high pass filter, I would used a

> low pass and an Op-amp to covert it to a high pass.


Yea, subtract the low pass from the signal to get high pass. That will work but you will have to adjust the delay of the signal to match the delay of the filter to get complete attenuation in the stopband. I have done something similar to produce a flat phase 2nd order high pass filter for L-R.


> As for the LM1894 and the the 10 kHz trap, I was also thinking

> that as well. I may try making the value of C9 lower and see if

> it changes the Q. To keep the cost down I may leave out the>

> MAX notch filter and this would mean I am left with one filter as

> part of the LM1894.


My only concern is that the 10kHz LC notch in the LM1894 is only in the control path of the chip and on strong high frequency material where it will be fully open it will also pass the 10kHz whistle. One trick that Motorola did with the Twin-T integrated whistle filters in the MC13022 is varying the bootstrap level thus varying the Q. When the filters have no bootstrap level, where the 'T' is essentially grounded, the Q is much less and the filter is not a narrow notch but a broad attenuation on each side of 10kHz. This may not be the exact same response as DNR but it does vary the high frequency level. Developing a control circuit to drive the Twin-T filters might be another option.


> I like the look of the MC13030, I need to spend more time

> going over this data sheet. I was thinking of I & Q mixer

> design, but there are another approach I could take.


The I & Q mixer is a SSB RF mixer using sideband phasing filters for image rejection. This works well also but doesn't offer the out of band rejection level that dual conversion offers. With the I & Q method you will need the RF sideband phasing filters to cover the range of the band and the wider it is the more filtering needed. With dual conversion you get 2 ceramic wide band filters offering > 60dB attenuation total with a flat ±15kHz response and a tuning range for LW, MW to the lower end of the SW. Since the MC13030 is already designed for this and has specified recommended components most of the work has been done. Just some tweaking to apply for the specific application.


For transmission you might be interested in the inner workings of the AmigoAM matrix processor specifically designed for C-QUAM and NRSC compliance. It has a  midrange presence adjustment, dual band L & R limiters, tri-band L+R & L-R matrix processing limiters not to mention other features. The limiters are really a combo Limiter/OverEasyCompressor where the signal is limited(clipped) and when clipped it generates a current that drives an LM13600 transconductance amplifier. The output of the amplifier subtracts from the input of the limiter reducing signal levels until a balance is reached where the signal is no longer clipped. The time constant for clipping is short enough that it is not perceived by the ear until the gain of the transconductance amplifier can come up to level to reduce the input signal to the below clipping level. I counted at least 13 of these limiters in the unit. Here is the Technical Manual & Installation Guide . By studying these it will give you a good Idea of what is needed for good C-QUAM processing. I think these were posted in the forum awhile back or someone sent them to me. They may be in the forum database. If not you can access them via the links.


JSG




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S. Gilstrap" --------------2C5C43C4FD5B2C4A50038AC4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Grant, The MC13027 & MC13122 is a nice AMAX chipset and packs lots of features needed for good reception. Frequency response is only limited by RF/IF filter bandwidth. Cost savings are very good and will enable a quicker construction of a receiver, Motorola having done most of the work. They are dedicated to envelope based C-QUAM or to C-ISB if audio phasing sideband filters are used. Synchronous QAM or ISB is probably not possible. There is no way that I know of to disable the 1/Cosθ correction like you can with the MC13020 unless there is a secret hack that Motorola hasn't revealed. They have built in notch filters that are dynamically controlled via signal level. In the earlier generation MC13022 the bandwidth of the input coil's Q is varied via signal level also. The Dual Twin-T notch filter component that may be hard to find is the Toko THB-122 although these can be built with discrete components. As for the 450kHz IF filter there has been several manufacturers in the past, muRata, Toko, Kyocera... You will need the flat group delay Gaussian types for good C-QUAM decoding. I have found 455±7½kHz Butterworth versions in the 1st generation lower frequency cordless phones that can work for non-DTR but group delay is not optimized. However if doing dual conversion using 450 or 455 for the 2nd IF is not an issue. I think I saw some 455±10kHz ones at digi-key awhile back. As for the 3.6mHz resonator an L-C tank might be used. My 1st decoder I built was with the the MC13020 and it also specified components for an L-C version. My 2nd decoder I built was with the MC13028 and didn't try to find the resonator but fashioned an L-C tank for it. Using an Amidon L43-2 and 48 turns (20µh) with a 100pƒ cap in parallel and tapped at 50% for connection to the chip via a .01µƒ cap I was able to make it work well. In a later revision I specified 57 turns (29µh) with a 68pƒ cap and 31% tap hoping to get better Q out of it. Here is the Schematic for it but haven't tried it yet. I think the internal workings for the oscillator section of the MC13022 , MC13122 & MC13028 are the same so using an L-C tank is possible. I have looked at the SA612 for the 2nd conversion from 10.7mHz down to 450kHz also. It's good to have a dual bandwidth 6/7½kHz & 15kHz IF for night & day operation. A 4th order ±6/7½kHz for night and a 4th order ±15kHz for day. For night signal would pass through both filters. Add in DNR and this is what was found in some high end factory car radios in the past. I'm assuming that the AD9850 is a programmable/dividable oscillator used for the 1st LO. Using dual conversion easily covers the whole SW band also except near the 10.7mHz 1st IF. If many radios like this are available it could allow stereo reception on almost all channels below 30mHz if broadcasting. It's been a chicken/egg situation like this for it to happen. JSG --------------2C5C43C4FD5B2C4A50038AC4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Grant,


The MC13027 & MC13122 is a nice AMAX chipset and packs lots of features needed for good reception. Frequency response is only limited by RF/IF filter bandwidth. Cost savings are very good and will enable a quicker construction of a receiver, Motorola having done most of the work.


They are dedicated to envelope based C-QUAM or to C-ISB if audio phasing sideband filters are used. Synchronous QAM or ISB is probably not possible. There is no way that I know of to disable the 1/Cosθ correction like you can with the MC13020 unless there is a secret hack that Motorola hasn't revealed.


They have built in notch filters that are dynamically controlled via signal level. In the earlier generation MC13022 the bandwidth of the input coil's Q is varied via signal level also. The Dual Twin-T notch filter component that may be hard to find is the Toko THB-122 although these can be built with discrete components.


As for the 450kHz IF filter there has been several manufacturers in the past, muRata, Toko, Kyocera... You will need the flat group delay Gaussian types for good C-QUAM decoding. I have found 455±7½kHz Butterworth versions in the 1st generation lower frequency cordless phones that can work for non-DTR but group delay is not optimized. However if doing dual conversion using 450 or 455 for the 2nd IF is not an issue. I think I saw some 455±10kHz ones at digi-key awhile back.


As for the 3.6mHz resonator an L-C tank might be used. My 1st decoder I built was with the the MC13020 and it also specified components for an L-C version. My 2nd decoder I built was with the MC13028 and didn't try to find the resonator but fashioned an L-C tank for it. Using an Amidon L43-2 and 48 turns (20µh) with a 100pƒ cap in parallel and tapped at 50% for connection to the chip via a .01µƒ cap I was able to make it work well. In a later revision I specified 57 turns (29µh) with a 68pƒ cap and 31% tap hoping to get better Q out of it. Here is the Schematic for it but haven't tried it yet. I think the internal workings for the oscillator section of the MC13022 , MC13122 & MC13028 are the same so using an L-C tank is possible.


I have looked at the SA612 for the 2nd conversion from 10.7mHz down to 450kHz also.


It's good to have a dual bandwidth 6/7½kHz & 15kHz IF for night & day operation. A 4th order ±6/7½kHz for night and a 4th order ±15kHz for day. For night signal would pass through both filters.


Add in DNR and this is what was found in some high end factory car radios in the past.


I'm assuming that the AD9850 is a programmable/dividable oscillator used for the 1st LO.


Using dual conversion easily covers the whole SW band also except near the 10.7mHz 1st IF. If many radios like this are available it could allow stereo reception on almost all channels below 30mHz if broadcasting. It's been a chicken/egg situation like this for it to happen.


JSG


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Frequency response is only limited by RF/IF filter bandwidth. Cost savings are very good and will enable a quicker construction of a receiver, Motorola having done most of the work. Yes, I like the look of them as well, so I think they will make good receiver. They have built in notch filters that are dynamically controlled via signal level. In the earlier generation MC13022 the bandwidth of the input coil's Q is varied via signal level also. The Dual Twin-T notch filter component that may be hard to find is the Toko THB-122 although these can be built with discrete components. The Toko THB-122 is no longer available, so I will just use the standard RC network for the 10 kHz notch. I will be switching between both AF outputs as used with the MC13022A, this way you can have the 10 kHz notch in or out of line.  As for the 450kHz IF filter there has been several manufacturers in the past, muRata, Toko, Kyocera... You will need the flat group delay Gaussian types for good C-QUAM decoding. I have found 455±7½kHz Butterworth versions in the 1st generation lower frequency cordless phones that can work for non-DTR but group delay is not optimized. However if doing dual conversion using 450 or 455 for the 2nd IF is not an issue. I think I saw some 455±10kHz ones at digi-key awhile back. With the 450 kHz IF, I have found some on ebay that have specifications of +- 15 kHz at - 6 dB point (MURATA CFW450B 450 kHz), I will try them out. I will use a 41 MHz oscillator to feed the LO divide by four input on Pin 9. This works out to 10.25 MHz, so 10.7 MHz - 10.25 = 450 kHz, the output from the SA612 will have a matching transformer for the 300 ohms for 10.7 MHz Ceramic filter.   As for the 3.6MHz resonator an L-C tank might be used. My 1st decoder I built was with the the MC13020 and it also specified components for an L-C version. My 2nd decoder I built was with the MC13028 and didn't try to find the resonator but fashioned an L-C tank for it. Using an Amidon L43-2 and 48 turns (20µh) with a 100pƒ cap in parallel and tapped at 50% for connection to the chip via a .01µƒ cap I was able to make it work well. In a later revision I specified 57 turns (29µh) with a 68pƒ cap and 31% tap hoping to get better Q out of it. Here is the Schematic for it but haven't tried it yet. I think the internal workings for the oscillator section of the MC13022 , MC13122 & MC13028 are the same so using an L-C tank is possible. With the 3.6MHz resonator, I thinking of loading down a 3.64 MHz resonator with a bit of extra C and bring it down to 3.6 MHz, if this will not work maybe a L-C tank will be the way to go.   It's good to have a dual bandwidth 6/7½kHz & 15kHz IF for night & day operation. A 4th order ±6/7½kHz for night and a 4th order ±15kHz for day. For night signal would pass through both filters. I may take second pick off via op-amp from Pin 1 of the decoder to use this as the narrow-band output and I can also use this out with BFO for SSB. I would use a dual op-amp one as buffer and the other as a low pass filter stage.  I'm assuming that the AD9850 is a programmable/dividable oscillator used for the 1st LO. Take a look at this link for the DDS: https://reipooom.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/eim377_ad9850_signal_gener ator_module_v01.pdf Using dual conversion easily covers the whole SW band also except near the 10.7mHz 1st IF. If many radios like this are available it could allow stereo reception on almost all channels below 30MHz if broadcasting. It's been a chicken/egg situation like this for it to happen. Yes, AM stereo on LW, MW and the SW bands, could be interesting to hear what C-QUAM would sound like via sky wave. Add in DNR and this is what was found in some high end factory car radios in the past.   From the AF outputs of the decoder I am planing to used the BD3490FV Sound processor, whereby the DNR, de-emphasis will go out on Pins 9,10 and loop in on Pins 11,12. The de-emphasis will be common to both sides of the receiver for FM as well as the AM side and can be switched in or out as required. It will take a few months to do all this prototyping work and I may do a PCB for it at a later stage. 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S. Gilstrap" --------------B5421112E1BD3BD58E819C63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a block diagram of what form I think a multi-band dual conversion receiver could be. RF Mixers IFs JSG --------------B5421112E1BD3BD58E819C63 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Here is a block diagram of what form I think a multi-band dual conversion receiver could be.

RF Mixers IFs  


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I am now thinking of using the TEA5767 module, as my FM receiver and switch it in, to one of the inputs of the BD3490FV stage.  https://os.mbed.com/users/edodm85/notebook/radio-fm-tea5767/ This way all the work is done for me on the FM broadcast band, or I will need to do is set it up via the I2C bus.  As for changing the IF bandwidth on the AM side, I am thinking of loading down the detector coil (where the 12k resistor is located), across Pins 2, 3 of the MC13122. A JFET inline with a fixed resistor should do it, and this will then change the Q of T2.  Grant From glyncooper2001@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 16 12:12:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: glyncooper2001@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20591 invoked by uid 102); 16 Oct 2018 19:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.196.204.226) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2018 19:12:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26987 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2018 19:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4003.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.195.72) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2018 19:12:23 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoo.co.uk designates 77.238.178.202 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: YEeaDpoWLDsLZkdq3MLEGCevWPbmkyCDqcnRbXU38ukpnIB6 jroMkESBq4s0ZqPMMpqNeRCbhmX7QAkSq921yITGVIdlxfyklcU3XsKHkKbZ DYf5ugUC4KE_pPikuUOTUUpzOgGSPOOrb.VPOrYGY5nq4kZR_lGWwrdV9PUa ajDkOP_IpDY_qubkWgc0tt9nDVBJ49FZNdDSHilgF3q6b9F9YKNYWogHOPHa .mUjaiwb9j_CjCUemnYR3kj8PhNus88Ul3EKQmEiFhKAb.4nkCvLBvrHHbNp fzq7QZbr_yD_cHqFwkTEMDtngf21m6lsM6_1NSaQCCFiLh9YQXbX8yxPxXZW bnahh8B8YB_qYaihAg2Zu43oLrDeQVnWlPTzOJjlfYBlSCQx287AO_i60ULF s.VpsSCrkHaN9EXYhuiyJp4mf6J.oZ.W..rDyxmIqwmUEl7aafptKJrOzTYF qbnSmZK6F4UDE98m1O7Yyf4UJZhACUA6rl3kdwSb3lt.5R6IXV64ItUKfjv6 yGQ1WDIDW4yJ1FDqkoQdk3G8fRMH0OHJCsKVubqn0UAPtjvWaIXlkl3037Hb m1aYNvyFFYpAJbqXWjFyZtF27Gwq54FM0LFjR0Embyn2fRQ8gKtjH38Bxdvc p78kYmtnsyuyJiTx8G5GSBVBEWStl8DaHcsfaQLpA67W6Ng1Xuua3bemifnW X1JAuHL7_qqukLJsD7SZLHOllH4rK_jPc0mOJ.pYtyIFXJMDKL2IHmpakXwW 2OJuYEhWnrsGRaag9WEHuYz8vugPCo2x4DQ44JaTdBC7b6FyOHwVWWK30xye FNTH3ArKNiKkhjf2dqp93K55Jhq17xgx9U0qcRm8QegcuNwtjQJXaKkl5IKs EF5Iq37HjaeQX5Lyu1sBSVtI1Xuqbuzdm4at5Pfukzpt4JL0FohPIiTGwsnj SHflLotchnXI2T74B8Bo9HDCe19mB58dcGOTbt9ReysYfK6PMTdCEMEo4fG1 I0tMiXe6E04Ukytnz_EoKQoGyKIctNYuUf96sxIwdcR1CLfpZQsmTJFIA0qa g6H1a_XgMTCVXjc4oUbxMz_FYd7rAGGy8frau7yuI1PxxZ_.OjMdS.o3D8im TPLWjxC85UC66k4yvoKT7is- Authentication-Results: mta4003.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com from=yahoo.co.uk; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoo.co.uk; dkim=pass (ok) X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com) (77.238.178.202) by mta4003.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:12:22 +0000 X-YMail-OSG: QxNZChoVM1mw609NMIcTSPhQKvndsMfFbPF_ZU4bKFwKT.GSUukSxj5y8m8_oqA aZhvyya0PDniqryV8v0BhgtHwlBSiQ5Lvn0fhcf.Q0PpXju1G5MmF1qSNZOXp9i31dZoRCcoWo.B 6HruQ_GMqHBBd8Ytj.Oz.Bh9RVbuV3VO7LyB.9HKYfZGUst5TtHniDwZQfDuH2Dc3KgXgGO3JF9c xD31pFggGe0D7vxlPnq_63SO3cwCJBScqLadnetl1_Du9NNBkMEfmlEqyXW1tfeR.Yw.WJn3s26S KQB.Ih9WlZCsGh37MGCu6hZ2JRUBWqkfZz4eT9KQDQeFuCPzoNTkqZTt941BmjEq7B3ibRH1OEnZ KXggQw6Omz5mcfTmfldhSB6B4HyYHZXxokdLsnKF841nRV_afC.v35eY2v2mtspd04FVmyl0ZVAH chmlnoRPJmWqhjg6pxENss_HyTk3os2fMDoDsliix_GgYfr.K1LMkKsY1owTiSg1X38Wp7cIYEIu FPLHSSMJgUstGTu.K2lcWFtbrJnSJvbkLZD6FMQLTuMIEB6yx.4ZrB2r9OZL3pKi2nrHoNUtrYWa iPK.QFMoThyeEKodznOmOH7v5j93Ud7ucTtuO0eoLft2gniLeE3Ztk6CTqOcT7omQJUq_AXppx6O qqR3X5CtpTkVEm7yQ7V7h_7lpK2HCY864STpWq_djkgbbquN8cpU5PQG7vIiVOxBv8EHQZ3BbydL vOkw9grgPjELHnPLiX4b_LNivcpYcwoWvvtJSDcsqHbtH_.eK7.YO7fUeVJRP7_AIYUYQ6.LxgIF MTMhuTnYa.Fiosq5HmtNcm9AYUI3sj8UfZOvRgXnB3zFetywenPxpmqsVkVMDB_8lF2oZVIxhxRU lbwYzv5B1cnD7ZEhDBG5pUGLJWxigZwP84XAvLi_YQto4Fu.8Ch78J68rmaKNJKfNNW3zqSnX6Pu LoHv06dtsqvHnshG.sAWoFwt9NEA.bVAlaPvkSXa.UkZeftCToG4eG7jtsi5ZqQsM0SHYesm78AX myGci8VEUPTzbKZ8uc8_La61KPHv46rLZt1Pk4iuroSsg7g-- X-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:12:22 +0000 X-Received: from 82-132-237-87.dab.02.net (EHLO [10.130.130.7]) ([82.132.237.87]) by smtp414.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 0b2b002821299b6e6ce936f8afe4f777 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 20:12:18 +0100 Message-Id: <931191FE-127A-41B9-B1AE-A9D7F9117D5B@yahoo.co.uk> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15G77) X-Originating-IP: 10.201.195.72 Subject: Sony ST-JX220A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261406632; y=xCDcacVcVY9TMYPd88M_b2XKDv6hPQrHJ8Y_NRsNGjEwb8kUkQIIric X-Yahoo-Profile: glyncooper2001 From: Glyn Cooper Hi All, would any of the members here happen to have a circuit diagram and = parts listing for a JX220A AM Stereo Tuner. I=E2=80=99ve been trying to rep= air this tuner for some time now. A previous owner replaced the memory back= up battery and fluid leaked out of it causing corrosion to several of the = PCB Components namely 3 of the signal diodes close to the original battery = position. I would love to get this going again as my only other AM Stereo R= eceiver is the Realistic TM-152. I have a couple of AM Stereo Exciters name= ly the Motorola 1300 and Harris AMS-G1.=20 If anyone could help me out here I would be really greatfull. 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Many thanks for this information. I did also reply to you via the = FB C-QUAM page. This Tuner was working but the original backup memory batt= ery had been replaced by a 2v TimeKeeper battery unit housed in a tiny plas= tic box with flying leads soldered to the original battery terminals and se= cured to the PCB by a double sided sticky pad. This replacement unit leaked= battery acid over the PCB corroding jumper wired and the diode leads where= they entered the glass part of the diodes. When I tried to clean this flui= d away the corrosion became apparent as the leads and jumper wires disinteg= rated in to many pieces. Hopefully I can resurrect and get this impressive = piece of equipment up and running again. I=E2=80=99m kind of thinking of re= placing all the diodes with 1N4148=E2=80=99s. I was unsure at 1st but now I= know what the original diodes are a look at the spec sheet may reveal so= me kind of compatibility between the 2 diode types. Thanks again. =F0=9F=91= =8D=F0=9F=91=8D=F0=9F=91=8D Sent from my iPhone > On 18 Oct 2018, at 10:46, jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: >=20 > Good morning Glyn, >=20=20=20 > D512, D517, and D518 around the battery are 1SS202-1 small signal diodes.= Sony part number is 8-719-107-94. ST-JX220A is functionally the same mai= n board as the ST-JX220, where the "A" adds the four format AM stereo separ= ate decoder board. I paid for the service manual years ago. Thank you. >=20 --Apple-Mail-69006AA9-9D96-4EFB-A909-A49A0B7CF95F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeff. Many thanks for this informati= on. I did also reply to you via the FB C-QUAM page. This Tuner was working = but the original  backup memory battery had been replaced by a 2v Time= Keeper battery unit housed in a tiny plastic box with flying leads soldered= to the original battery terminals and secured to the PCB by a double sided= sticky pad. This replacement unit leaked battery acid over the PCB corrodi= ng jumper wired and the diode leads where they entered the glass part of th= e diodes. When I tried to clean this fluid away the corrosion became appare= nt as the leads and jumper wires disintegrated in to many pieces. Hopefully= I can resurrect and get this impressive piece of equipment up and running = again. I=E2=80=99m kind of thinking of replacing all the diodes with 1N4148= =E2=80=99s. I was unsure at 1st but now I know what the original diodes are= a look at the spec sheet may   reveal some kind of compatibility betw= een the 2 diode types. Thanks again. =F0=9F=91=8D=F0=9F=91=8D=F0=9F=91=8D
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Good morning Glyn,
 
D512, = D517, and D518 around the battery are 1SS202-1 small signal diodes.  S= ony part number is 8-719-107-94.  ST-JX220A is functionally the same m= ain board as the ST-JX220, where the "A" adds the four format AM stereo sep= arate decoder board.  I paid for the service manual years ago.  T= hank you.

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In Brazil, AM stations is going to FM too. Many AM stations is closed. 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Em ter=C3=A7a-feira, 13 de novembro de 2018 18:02:19 BR= ST, tjdeshler tjdeshler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogr= oups.com> escreveu:


 
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Your Tesla Can Go Zero to 60 in 2.5 Seconds But Can't Get AM Radio
courtesy of Glenn Hauser DX Listening Digest
http://www.w4uvh.net/dxld1845.pdf
http://= www.w4uvh.net/dxld1845.html

"Here is a list of 152 Mexican stations tha= t have informed me (via Facebook message or email) that they have turned of= f their AMs. I believe the actual number of Mexican stations that have left= AM is close to 600, but the 152 listed here have specifically told me that= they have finished migrating to FM and turned off their AM."



 
Thank You Kindly Now,
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So therefore I would expect the FM band to increase in size, where you are now seeing radios that cover 76 to 108 MHz. Anyway this could be a good thing it will now free up space on the AM band, making it easier for me to install my low power transmitters.  Does anyone know of a good on line data base to look up US AM frequencies and users?  I been looking for an AM channel without too many users on, not an issue in the daytime, but at nighttime there are so many US stations that get into Canada, at the moment I am testing on 1.12 MHz in stereo.  I may have found a site to operate from in the Spring, and also working in with a local music station up this way for a studio feed. Grant           On Wed, 2018-11-14 at 11:08 +0000, João Paulo Flores jppflores@yahoo.com.br [amstereoforum] wrote: > Hi! In Brazil, AM stations is going to FM too. Many AM stations is > closed. > > Em terça-feira, 13 de novembro de 2018 18:02:19 BRST, tjdeshler tjdes > hler@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] > escreveu: > > >   > just fyi > > Your Tesla Can Go Zero to 60 in 2.5 Seconds But Can't Get AM Radio > https://good-speedcars.com/your-tesla-can-go-zero-to-60-in-2-5-second > s-but-cant-get-am-radio/9318/ > > > la kings to leave am radio > http://www.insideradio.com/la-kings-leave-am-radio-for-streaming-pact > -with-iheartradio/article_c1b68aee-bb86-11e8-8dd8-4f086426d4d6.html > > courtesy of Glenn Hauser DX Listening Digest > http://www.w4uvh.net/dxld1845.pdf > http://www.w4uvh.net/dxld1845.html > > "Here is a list of 152 Mexican stations that have informed me (via > Facebook message or email) that they have turned off their AMs. I > believe the actual number of Mexican stations that have left AM is > close to 600, but the 152 listed here have specifically told me that > they have finished migrating to FM and turned off their AM." > > > >   > Thank You Kindly Now, > From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Sun Nov 18 16:47:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16655 invoked by uid 102); 19 Nov 2018 00:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.224.239) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2018 00:47:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27621 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2018 00:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4003.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.221.10.34) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2018 00:47:29 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoogroups.com designates 98.137.66.43 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: C_VwH.kWLDuVyiO89lbWS.4B355cmrAlckgSHsGPHaBCvoSH vSGzDnB5n9sbNZtkVx4dh5rlj0C0CfjBJepKrOmid_if1EiJ7XVclpLscQna _BLHsc8B6rEoqTVEuH3rvoOjtN8ODNUaN6IcAf6dhwFVBUHxGd6QthTDdlI0 n0LpBtxSPb9HYU3JKiOnb4pxH89TZw7Omhe71PhrUaeIKoNzz.L1piyVV5cq zPi0wI4g29met2uJrTC9FOJwLsME7c5w5KjA8BqWpndSwGEZNqB8urEEl6eV 0asGIdwTMuDTMo771rs1BbZTVlCAPMSEiX2mOs2GwH2iSjWp4x3mb8t1rr5c Eo.yw8RKgmx22fTflnDJpEQiz_P.D.CqCCLCsS2l2bCCPVbaPcYui4Dso_M. 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This has a big impact on the stereo affect with phasing between the wanted signal and unwanted ones. If the the AM stereo station was on a clear frequency it would be a lot easier to listen to, so AM stereo should work on the shortwave bands. There maybe an issue with near vertical incidence skywave and this therefore would have an impact on phase component (L-R). But on shortwave bands above 31 metres it would be very interesting to some on air testing over long distances to get feel for how this could work for a music station.  Grant    On Wed, 2018-11-28 at 15:58 -0800, n1ea@arrl.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > Are there any more shortwave AM Stereo stations? We used to have WJIB > with swing, big band, type music, I built a indoor loop to pick to > its 250 watt signal 35 miles away, but they turned off AM STEREO > about six years ago. > > So I have nothing to listen to. Short wave? > > Best wishes, > > David J. 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So I am now working with another station up this way to run stereo. I would also like to know if anyone can find out the history on this short wave music station, I remember staying up late as a kid listening to it. They were playing the top 40 count down in and around the mid 1980's, I think it was US Military based? Lets bring it back and play some of content they had on in back then, someone must know who they were?    Grant       On Thu, 2018-11-29 at 02:49 +0000, n1ea@arrl.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > Do you remember the call sign or frequency? I wish 740 kHz was > stereo. Nice music from Canada. > > There was a shortwave station that was going to use AM Stereo it was > NDXN or something. One of the only N broadcast call signs. 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Lets face it, there is not much happening on Shortwave these days, so there is lots of space run 25 to 30 kHz channel with AM stereo. Maybe there is already a station on air that would like expand operations and add on a shortwave service? I know that PBS and CBC are public services, plus there is a lot areas in Canada that do not get much in the way of cellar services and limited internet. So there must ways to cover your expenses if you were to provide a public service radio station?          Grant On Thu, 2018-11-29 at 18:10 +0000, n1ea@arrl.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > November 28, 1925, The Grand Ole Opry began broadcasting in > Nashville, TN, as the WSM Barn Dance.  That's 93 years ago. > > > Would be great if they went AM-STEREO! > > 73 > DR > From zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au Sun Dec 02 07:50:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15030 invoked by uid 102); 2 Dec 2018 15:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.224.240) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2018 15:50:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31631 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2018 15:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4002.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.221.2.24) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2018 15:50:47 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoo.com.au designates 66.163.188.203 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: o6IkQkgWLDvNRjgQdfJur8026LqUXEqnNw2dWcnhWMNSJjwq 78kaCTkF3R3vPWnFaw3eOam9DnGiHyI_veZCT6OXRTan9NFNgLS8mW0pimvi gdqB6fAFq0bTaTeJO9XqNGxvSg3ILy.lFf7fk0u0nvcZkO63EFfwey7qUkW5 GsbQuLjLUgxPVAiTZo6z8PdyeWAsnJdDNog1pTC.e359Qt8jKlq1QqUmkGbb m7PjoZ8zXrmzKsNCblY97gspy0Ol9ImZUI5sbiGGcbjjMM_rI30aQ35BnZqE DN2CS1A4akpgKh4q6kGYSieCKy_2H.hUug4_zYiMBoFoRLbDJFXWUjlsvdbX q.g96PBw.i_UMnP_VXQrueA4Aqy4pC_BU2u0fKtG.2tXpxZuf1QDwlkXA1BA wNzgoxyVhAb9n407t0TMpBL4GhHqh09mMrD_wcdJwBOYhhkclG5Cq1a_0_6e GjHctCjMvViZXHElJkuSdOqCa.7L0noT_sg8fm4LPomZ61Cja7fDqtZOf5Z7 os09lUZtSO448J_Swbr5Wjjs7962KsuoIDtTJymrwmGNyMFlimr7RGPuswlf PgPJpQtf7QwsaU1I9.2vIHDwTRz4khkiWfjaLg9PF9fm.XGBg7jeZlmIuzQc U65ypTt2GaF4XRdrguxpQXHzh0Em2UN6TeSq6CJDCyABo8f136PLofw.1yPf bH055tW0QmZGsnNMQxQByR.wlAd3DsoEO6GhNI0afhEoo5QOTwwAjysBuiM9 TehC_FGjT8M.V7KrT2ttuvR2T.9eHwIhXNK.lf4uIIFm8vmB35BQWG1BItjR 85JtPLqeZYfE4cZ7.Od2XWPr3Xsr4yDuZzZNux7TJt4CikffliW4jrZedHMv xaTjfR262hd2ZWWmk5RLUVHGqq_mlL_jXmEmjSgxr0hIkAZ22wvKnSW1.Aw4 kG.z7MMUGh0AAwS1GN8qYdgJq6A0IY1skTGtmGnufNmNcfUXuiM4N8EOSKxn BIYnfZQaBliwdydefywIeKXc5Wzosg_H7XMQYRYoh7Ze_Pe8AswNfJFkEH5N 1D7n8aJmAJl1aJkaGF2ifyiq1PqXjlMO_HDwjEycKbnVaqjQju4UnLaZ3eQ7 yofaMGSzFLjnXUPXK8EtAEDRfBlZloAKfQrcnr9z4AmtqOqb6mAxtkyIvwvw jg-- Authentication-Results: mta4002.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com from=yahoo.com.au; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoo.com.au; dkim=pass (ok) X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO sonic311-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (66.163.188.203) by mta4002.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 15:50:47 +0000 X-YMail-OSG: B4d_DoQVM1mlZnJu7A78JZErnBBqNThe1.jY0h.sSwrYDD3kz1kiK5SI_7exVcw Dw4EjQS3aqxKQAum96PSzxNSzFh8XzbRklTN0cWiQUHLFigb0tMBtW.su6i4aCBZa1ALwdKKegZs QOQLgdcFMDoadR1jv5ZVsbxa783iN7F7uOpTig0Daa0hBQokJzAjSvh6RRUFIBq16u7eWy5GczKL 4iQ2NVSogYflPoI8gpUWyzg.vPmMYPKFLCimEa.fdu9OUNihEhJM_rNevO0J0gBCiE8L6X6i4yaQ uhlLqdR7s8LTyMuVeqECm8.rdcPqwA14UHcBck8AuWpWmoxRZ9dNptD.P0HHkK3ecxuBBt47X5hb vLdOWlPbSANEgpTTfjN3zCWzEGhK9f7uGl5tFYSWb7UEgK5SWI_TvQrThn.Y4P2vmFFbk7_A_Ls1 2jjHvxy.eXB2fF7FHDsYtPPnxykmvTGL6QvPJ6.UMita30ig7jv3O6iTS7JJfFGTWxw6GgyA.eOE rSZr33ge75B0y2c0F540f1S0kfUrMpTWSY9EDZujMeWnUyCBJdO4Oycr5I.NjjzQbePKi4lSIVzr 07VMmvuh6ize15m7osM47WHHvny8R7Tew8OzFZB3Ur.ikJ3Ig3vlPF1wDg.IVuyP_e.nNJXGfwIk j8npMVnEwNqbxyKLFTi9FImTRlrbIx0QkJ1qVbjaJ5nRGndsv9FXxPkwQFyWZsZW0GxrH6VlRX.m NRvM4TqUsFggFpRPeHW0DBKRVOQIB7loT029D1fqXJlz2MfJkfUZexeQdaZF6Xbcjd5HJnE8xq5C Q9LXkGyM9KWowrIq2VTFy8JnDYDMVSe0b2N2MiuYRy0i3smf2dNekK.wKRJAz9n25or3GZ9IIxkb Awf7hGk2gI7y4kkKNISX.RVq9EOqrq33wFFAKDvGSPYYNTy8nj8b96T7seJIoHpWksxigHfqI9tB upIYZ_BmXPwJ207aWlKP4_0nmlyUb4pjvhVfTXKqMvdWh5QS9KcxYYwSlWEDeHjVJcISaq9kV2R4 baioyWnUgyNEKy9cu X-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic311.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 15:50:47 +0000 X-Received: from 209.141.178.152 (EHLO [192.168.0.13]) ([209.141.178.152]) by smtp407.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c49a1b346a14ecefa9bf9efc1ce02724 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2018 15:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1543765840.3265.9.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 10:50:40 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.221.2.24 Subject: Sony CFS-6000 on Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=cl0aEyaZAo9L881GtB47Xoh4rTWznKTbZKIx1ADV1Gx2pg X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: zl1wtt1 Hi All, I was looking on Ebay toady and found a Sony CFS-6000, you do not see them come up a lot.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-CFS-6000-Rare-AM-Stereo-FM-Stereo-Cassett e-Boombox-C-Quam-Kahn- Works/183551453924?hash=item2abc84eae4:g:hTMAAOSwWH1b-Jhk:rk:1:pf:0 I was looking for a Sony CFS-6000S with shortwave on, but the S version does not have the AM stereo board fitted. I do not think there was a receiver made that had both AM stereo and shortwave bands. I guess that makes my project receiver a first, with the AM stereo decoder and a wide range of 150 kHz to 30 MHz. 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BASIC SPECIFICATIONS: AM Features: *Range; 150 kHz to 30 MHz, LW, MW, SW bands. *Mono (6kHz BW) / stereo (12 kHz BW) and auto detect (25 Hz tone).*Audio bandwidth; 1 to up 16 kHz, (1,2,3,4,6,8,12,16) kHz.*Notch filter on/off 10 kHz (For US and Canada version) *Modes; AM, SSB with the BFO. FM Features: *76 MHz to 108 MHz. *Mono/stereo (19 kHz tone) Music player: *SD card / USB for FLAC, WAV, and mp3. *Bluetooth interface for smart phones. *Line in  Audio amplifier settings: *Balance, Bass, Treble, loudness, X-bass and Stereo wide. Note - some of these specifications may change as it goes through the next prototyping stage. The Bluetooth interface is to get younger listeners, away from playing mp3's on their Smart phones and connect to something that will sound a lot better. Prototyping cost is about 10k, therefore there needs to be a market for this stereo receiver, so I should get that feedback from Kickstarter. So this may or may not happen, depending on what interest there is out there.    Grant On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 02:44 +0000, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] wrote: > There have never been any licensed SW stereo stations.  There is a > pirate that goes by the handle XFM which usually operates near > 6975kHz but they only broadcast a few times a year.  I expect them to > have a Christmas broadcast any week now, probably on a Friday or > Saturday night. > > As to the OP's original question- I'd definitely be interested under > two conditions- it can be had for under $125US, and is compatible > with existing broadcast standards.  I know the system can be tweaked > to be even better than it is, but extended bandwidth to 12.5kHz > doesn't do me any good when the US standard is only 10.  If you ever > listened to the WION stream, you'd know how good even that limitation > can still sound. > > Scott Todd > From n1ea@arrl.net Sun Dec 02 20:02:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18281 invoked by uid 102); 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So I could spend more on AM radio side and have something that is good to listen to. Grant        On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 04:02 +0000, n1ea@arrl.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > We have SCA subcarrier signals in USA used for elevator music private > broadcast, or reading for the blind, and other uses. 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X-received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: jacobsen-family.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: RnsKq+3lEzpguJByDWB2fdW2975D6xAcREZ9yVKVwkaRUvGYI1rES10t+nnbZOWhVqC0tbNa9Kun6/j9to+5AlUYfn2dlaVAg86m796sRLOS5g+rmQZ4XFM5hLNb9ldriDmAPOrEbdzssZtZjp996ZNsxte1WyG4g6JkdRrYg/O0DZoDAzKJTt7hUmIlDRyroojXaAXY5+0GE3Rc6rR/XtO5l/T4ATRUaaN8/l9E/r1hA/SqtvaT/we24n+3QsYzUrWE1+s6v2jkmvr5sT7A5kESyBOqfxxS+wLAbWEXE9GLeHHIKcivtiBGUOuWZIu6JD2+9O5W5ouReGaZwfWxNkN9we2/1d2NSk3ZZENnEL8= spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: jacobsen-family.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: ab7dfa81-7a62-4968-ea66-08d65986308e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 04 Dec 2018 01:16:59.3395 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: c8cc6638-60c7-44b6-a9ed-fac84b5bec72 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR17MB0209 X-Originating-IP: 10.201.195.149 Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: New receiver through Kickstarter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=562790458; y=tsnlpAUh-UE7L1jWPX9PoHoxtPVMVa5GCFdP_e4Xjvpqmw X-Yahoo-Profile: jacobst Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Tom Jacobsen A bit off-topic reply:=0D =0D >We have SCA subcarrier signals in USA used for elevator music private broa= dcast, or reading for the >blind, and other uses. If you don't use stereo y= ou can have two SCA signals.=0D =0D =0D Most elevator music has gone to satellite or internet distribution these da= ys.=0D =0D SCA is just about dead (at least here in Atlanta). This was a casualty of= HD radio and standardization of acquisitions by big gigantic mega-corp med= ia companies. 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If anyone is looking for an SCA decoder, I have a Ramsay kit (built).
Contact me if interested- I believe that I have the matching tuner too, but HD killed most of the SCA's here.
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It were running HD for years, but was C-QuAM bef= ore that. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 7, 2018, at 20:03, aceroadholder@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: >=20 > There is an excellent AM stereo station in Greenville, South Carolina. If= you are ever passing by on I-85 during the day and want something differen= t, give them a listen at 1490kz. Night power only good enough for about 5 m= iles from transmitter. >=20 > WPCI is streamed on the net so you can give a listen at: >=20 > https://tunein.com/radio/WPCI-1490-s21880/ >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-97A74F47-7BAE-4013-90D8-519F02C2405E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So WPCI is back in C-QuAM? It were runn= ing HD for years, but was C-QuAM before that.

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There is an excellent AM stereo station in Greenville= , South Carolina. If you are ever passing by on I-85 during the day and wan= t something different, give them a listen at 1490kz. Night power only good = enough for about 5 miles from transmitter.

WPCI is strea= med on the net so you can give a listen at:

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One of the interesting things is the low distortion from this type of demodulator, unlike what you get with a detector diode. One circuit uses a LM567 tone decoder as the demodulator, whereby you feed the 450 kHz IF in. It is a very simple circuit layout, followed by a set of Op-amps to recover the left and right information. The down side with using the LM567 is the very high phase noise that comes with this device.  This link show the LM567 demodulator: http://www.amalgamate2000.com/radio-hobbies/radio/ne567_tone_decoder_as _am_fm___de.htm The other circuit has a limiter a 450 kHz made from a 74HC04 with a feedback resistor on the first stage, driving the LM567 tone decoder. I use pin 8 as the lock detector and I take the VCO out from pin 5. This then drives a PLL clock multiplier with low jitter, that feeds into a divider that brings it back down to get the four phase angles. From this stage I used a modified Tayloe mixer for the I & Q information, and again followed by a set of Op-amps to recover the left and right information. I am using this board as my I & Q demodulator for L+R and L-R information:  https://www.qrp-labs.com/images/receiver/receiver.pdf I have also used a second LM567 as my 25 Hz decoder, after active band pass filter stage, from the L-R (Q) output.     My aim is have a good AM stereo receiver design that is made from easy to get parts. I hope to have soon a PCB layout, for basic receiver that is able to do AM stereo and FM stereo with a SSB demodulator. It has been a lot of fun so far.  Grant                      From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Tue Jan 29 16:02:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31906 invoked by uid 102); 30 Jan 2019 00:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.196.204.226) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2019 00:02:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21380 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2019 00:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4004.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.195.149) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2019 00:02:46 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoogroups.com designates 74.6.135.156 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: Q2E.BkkWLDut8BeoBO136bFks3dmHlFBeh6Ag21b0KBDs5.F D8CDZo4zPjYKTdoVa2.nWvbSDGFCb64guRnXRvJ3z9PcUdDlu6NVw2ADCFj2 Qw2zmzB9Bsc02azcRVoR9wEupl2VMk6Xq2kOF52Y.rDdgr1wknnvleHChkxC rKq2ShHEH.yM2gokV2.kIZnSq7Qm8WcFGvqEVS_M59uuvL9ulMQIMA6vQesM WvwEwVfYhIhWUdiD4LZQC4ag3ajdV9vkl81oaMMotv18BYv9E11A7gnHtBGL TAs8RmDWyEfAgdM59_HP7sz2RESyAl4D0omerJeqxg2llIujH2leT.wqIts4 ewlmwYZDS_IjACsPTLfyNq2X1cjeewGvHyg5QgUN3DHjKCrIZVYINwuVVwdB hq36NNQiQFNn9vDL1qh1ybIqfOVLBqfNn7GtjLCieVKYba21CKcaGRwLmod. 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AM Preemphasis =E2=80=94 Time for a New Curve?
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Response to Langford: Clarifying AM Performance Parameters
https://www= .radioworld.com/columns-and-views/response-to-langford-clarifying-am-perfor= mance-parameters

The Current State of Radio Design
http://earmark= .net/gesr/Current_Radio_Design.htm

Thank You Kindly Now,
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Sun, 3 Feb 2019 03:47:55 +0000 X-Received: from 216.165.217.92 (EHLO [192.168.0.11]) ([216.165.217.92]) by smtp416.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID fa5a9b8414c8957c26782456b9142e8a for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2019 03:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1549165669.31434.64.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2019 22:47:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: <1403304672.2045936.1549151380626.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1403304672.2045936.1549151380626@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.222.143.200 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: fyi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=YkVcondm4sUpm07bxdZ5NC_2KHb6KMHfhtapMUSPXL1wPw X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi Tim, I read through it all, I think it is more about how poor AM receivers are, and something needs to be done. What is going on here is the Pre-emphasis he is using is acting more like a group delay corrector for the receiver IF response. The test Iwould do, is to compare this response on wide band AM stereo receiver, I would not expect that it to sound that good all, it would have far to much in the higher audios frequencies.  As for the NRSC curve, I do not think much of it, I would like to go wit h NRSC version B curve using a 50 μS Pre-emphasis with a 12.5 kHz cut off for AM stereo transmissions. AS or mono and narrow band IF stages a standard type of group delay corrector configuration to address the findings in this article. Grant     On Sun, 2019-02-03 at 00:26 +0000, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] wrote: > I saw that.  I understand where he's coming from, and it may help > with existing radios, but I don't want to be satisfied with the > status quo. > > Scott Todd > From n1ea@arrl.net Sat Feb 02 20:19:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23842 invoked by uid 102); 3 Feb 2019 04:19:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.198.29.79) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2019 04:19:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17455 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2019 04:19:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4000.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.222.143.200) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2019 04:19:36 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoogroups.com designates 66.163.186.44 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: H2TlhPEWLDtkL2Q9ItJS3BBDQvBEb0NUIFUXnrys91ONFByN Zd2oaSYfnovtwgfC1CGg1kH__2mXKFURzPpEMIPQOJsuDR2Phq4ltrXaRBOp LmUNN3vY7xuNtx3oPmtTwwOcIC6enDOnYEm9_zmoBk48zA1cBbbvPjKCt2BT lh0CZu4eXkus9rJni_3vAeAZ8yEgI1MWQTOKW7PM8R5JvRAUZiXeSbEwtU3u X7yrEenbRPMjNVo3qcoMPmv7rCGSMPFfkZdlXu0c_3V34CZD3rqZZwgR8GU0 K4v_y_FFL3q2pmO5rWo3rRaUl0zDP5JOIiivwKCHOFq32jDIMpsVh4ErumEZ oQlvZ7L7kITpc1ch2aPMlcv1RuOBPmAvotli3O4ROli9n9fAG60ruTfVayJy AY.CIf4LAM469_YFZvhV_AAhs4PS8OBflTJ8ox3xDH72gwh60fixeRStKFtP iVvhJ38fvQWdoXf949tIo8iXTrecW3q0_qyW4H4p5lAwsksgNi20ZJbzaBa0 C_Uk35n8.Lo03zpyV2NFw7_76EFJPMlCk6Oftz519b.KXqeVAe5P4MJklYIR k3uDB3XB805btDDkrk6csunTCFNqAr9gQL9tFMIUPM8US_zcC8Ju645T.c7w 8M2HVpnH_HEfEFL2tYd6biVv0evS_DBeCNhQO0R0Pg1US.yPAvZUXeSLDjCF B7JSef0kOS9RK5lnpQ_JykP00bhYBQJsIgfSLSK9R8lFj3GLsymY.eP_yRWQ 0qn05kg8drXJgP0xH.fpa1.6OtwUz8JMckGAYvtgQj9ovrV42iSxzTxlJAqo W4hLsNuIXO7E7DLO5hwL2IDY.Tx5QAPZGLIpvMSl29htb4lzNIrHnmtzGkS1 9QttJpTwBnX9Gjt_BRtu9EJFS1sHaaET_AeQzK6J5jPq8d_39wIpHiGeZCDw jeyYt4aSeWLstQ8M8dUUdTwJlgK.sugkogZJHMQIGmIdFjE7JBi4wLeEubNA Ex.mWN0ihZQxpxHJvTdP5EeAEi7g5uL9NXwH3LKoQ.SB807y0J.d7iY5fvVB 2C4- Authentication-Results: mta4000.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com header.i=@yahoogroups.com; 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Sun, 3 Feb 2019 17:00:17 +0000 X-Received: from 216.165.217.92 (EHLO [192.168.0.11]) ([216.165.217.92]) by smtp424.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c7af65c4fdf6c74dff51e5b69c3b8118 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2019 17:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1549213210.4846.69.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2019 12:00:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: <1403304672.2045936.1549151380626.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1403304672.2045936.1549151380626@mail.yahoo.com> <1549165669.31434.64.camel@yahoo.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.221.10.34 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: fyi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=c_Vfcs4mb3JXKd8bxuZg4nm25GuzjTtgv6P63rfgsMGP9w X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi David, I taken the opposite approach with AM broadcast transmitters, where less is more. My background is in television where I built a wide of equipment, where you need to have very low levels of distortion on the video. In AM (VSB) television transmitters you want the waveform clean as possible and therefore very good linear RF amplifiers. With VSB you filter out the lower side band to fit within a 6 MHz channel, doing this will affect the video response and therefore a group delay corrector is used. This is what is happening with AM radio receivers with their 10 kHz IF, to improve the response and fatten out the phase shift you would add in a group delay corrector. This should be done with every AM radio receiver due to the group delay affect is unique to IF stage of that receiver. But this will never happen, so what Larry has done is add this to his transmitters to correct for the most common types of IF response. So you do not want this to be applied to AM stereo transmissions, this is where the 50 μS Pre-emphasis with a 12.5 kHz cut off comes into play. It looks like we are going to end up with two new standards on for narrow band mono and the other for wide band stereo transmissions. Where wide band stereo receiver can be switch between narrow and a wide band IF setting, so this would minimize the impact on stereo receivers when used for mono reception.   As for my work with FPGA's, I am using them as an analog signal processing device, I found away to do this and it is possible. The good thing with working with these devices is you can build a circuit within a chip, you have so many logic cells that can be connect to each other. It is more like blank circuit board that can change the circuit layout on, by using software and therefore cuts down your prototyping time. I will be doing a number of articles on the subject later on this year, covering the modulator, amplifier and the receiver. I am not at that stage right now to go public on how this all works, but I plan provide this information on website soon. As for 9,10 kHz hetrodynes from the next channel, I plan to use switchable notch filters in my receivers, that way you can turn them on at night. As more space come available on the MW band this will give you more flexibility with the bandwidth and with DSP receivers coming onto the market this will also provide bandwidth flexibility. This another area that needs to taken into account with using a group delay corrector, is how this will apply to DSP filtering? As I have already have stated, the key to good sounding AM transmitter is less is more. By using the minimal amount audio processing before the modulator stage, this in it's self is a from distortion and therefore impacts on the program content and how it will sound. The next step is modulator and the power amplifier stages in regards to their linearity. My FPGA based transmitters have very THD no more then 1% at 100% modulation, therefore they sound somewhat different than standard AM transmitters with a lot of audio pre-processing. To get my design to sound like other radio stations I need to increase THD to around 5%, there is two local radio stations here in Toronto that are running at just below 10% THD, and you can hear the distortion. To sum up there are two areas where AM can be improved, one is to minimizes the amount audio processing which these days is over done both on AM and the FM bands. The other is to improve AM receivers, mainly in the IF stages, AM can sound as good as FM radio with the right equipment. I hope this is information is useful, Grant                               On Sat, 2019-02-02 at 20:19 -0800, n1ea@arrl.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > Grant, > > This is getting very interesting. > > Do you have a web page you update with details of your project? > > What's the bandwidth on MW going to be?  Are you going to phase > cancel the 9 or 10 kHz hetrodynes from next channel?  I understand > the Carver TX-11A (I think the model number was) did that.  An > excellent receiver. > > 73 > David N1EA > From n1ea@arrl.net Sun Feb 03 11:39:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15949 invoked by uid 102); 3 Feb 2019 19:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.196.227.14) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2019 19:39:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29642 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2019 19:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4004.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.195.149) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 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My area of interest in low power AM transmitters around the 200 Watts mark, I am currently working the equipment for this testing phase, I have found a frequency that is clear on both sides. As part of this on air testing I need to provide a report on how this experiment goes, based on a number of factors, not just the bandwidth used.   Once this testing stage is done, I then can make the next round of improvements for a fully working product. I also plan to write a few articles on this technology and the on air experiments. Therefore if there is any interest, I can place updates here on how it all goes.   Grant     On Mon, 2019-02-04 at 03:12 +0000, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] wrote: > " I would like to go with NRSC version B curve using a 50 μS Pre- > emphasis with a 12.5 kHz cut > > off for AM stereo transmissions." > > There's no question it would be higher fidelity than the current > curve, but in a world of 10kHz channel spacing 12.5kHz as a cutoff is > a non starter. > > Scott Todd > From johng@mylinuxisp.com Mon Feb 04 16:52:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Sender: johng@mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17706 invoked by uid 102); 5 Feb 2019 00:52:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.224.239) by m17.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2019 00:52:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9084 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2019 00:52:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4001.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.221.10.59) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2019 00:52:43 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: none (domain of mylinuxisp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-YMailISG: Hlb.SWUWLDvIEKdBl0_96O3T7cwQOE7fqhATPBK0toI75ej5 4UisvgL5wiYyQK7Ndkqo1VpTNQ65.daX7hPIpRhYXNeU.zDXC_YeBNB6g2lZ GhUFhx5uBSf6HhQ0MHl4PotD4jfsSggmnS3yy6_cfhqyG.7Zvu6bB5rmbwi3 YPLKXE1XvkA7hbWjVDlbJvEscpB.xvQJoSSROq5viyh0_7alNFCI0OAKaLEC tWIFUq5iVZvT0VQblHZIX9OWk5.KRHku70aIaV57XzbGNc9IMI7qgMG7e8jb 56vRtt5WLyhgcK0sejMIzpGG4gqhtQuHevhUR2PfTGd.MuYlOjOyG6rN39LC l6vtvSTy95Sr54gvwrNIgEaPB2eBrGjCSuDfzWkG1.arPzqZlLgkf26TJ5rB wHuwy6hnHljPDPARmLmv93239.oIzjGEpeIBOZxltrYq8e9ggjT4w3SvU90u yUWMUglkYBGTimkKE2ZlyL_cvSu7k2ukA3B.H4zDglJfkmkJOnLRqliOcMeA bRKSYR1YG8G7xtxyU6kNLqlblNyZ9oh0FfvRoqrjlB1aIATrVENaH4aoHEPm ftAkfmoFvlkvi8erVOQKwBWEVTijswZ0jt0UWHNHSTSKatzcGNU4K4.LicA2 4tCfQhoAWpFBE2u2V_tzGxblp0RMXdpUBxO_D8E_VFdV2_5WAlDrvrUfMlp_ 1JTQK6Tv4PrO8g3uhhgT8av3pAwLvnpiieRX12mv8YGEzL2CjuSjbs2SbZcp OVFIlCGB.f_1vNjjKW0LJE8BoOZlaH1KsrHgaomK6vF8KoNKmVKYInpDq5ut Hczd_tuadfVR2NRXeWIQ9XR1AE2v7k2hkqiagvBk7mXU04qhjWBp7pEK3tBQ B7MS94QInbWv1ye9WqdA4CKQvD.FIAc0VN7w5pTRglpdc3c2cgCX5FYNZOAG lpoINOQaUDsvUzIJfzvurh7QPjg6htMQdaN7tF4Z9ruTJhN_3KGLWf8HCnMm jtOlxZzirfUpnq0GyOBKlcW1jJYl1u5cCoYsSYJXlBTm7oYwtxZ0lHM- Authentication-Results: mta4001.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com from=mylinuxisp.com; dkim=neutral (no sig) X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO imta-38.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta4001.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 00:52:42 +0000 X-Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x150jAJw020677 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 16:52:42 -0800 X-Eon-Originating-Account: d-kpk4dW9YY7ik27pJ44HRvk4tQEAJ6xYGy8sTehSDQ0UCYJJm5bgtiJuXMvhcqL X-Eon-Dm: m0116293.ppops.net X-Received: by m0116293.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac3a638b) id m0116293.5c4f48ab.c6935 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 16:52:39 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMkrbtcWN5X8U3ZmgIAAAAB,a1ce5c8a0e823d88708464679d425f78 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <6deadc93-1cde-3d4a-4306-4166f9f61880@mylinuxisp.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 18:52:33 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2019-02-04_15:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=3 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1034 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=748 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1902050003 X-Originating-IP: 10.221.10.59 Subject: Re: fyi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=580965132; y=ktA3ZguUGKsv4wp5Au2wItkDkb7OUZGjBDKhwzDIb4OsgA X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst From: "J. S. Gilstrap" Group delay became very important when the non-linear multiplicative AM Stereo systems like C-QUAM, Kahn ISB, Maxnavox PMX, and Belar forced an angular modulated carrier to carry the envelope of L+R for compatibility with existing radios. That is if those existing radios' RF/IF filtering didn't distort the group delay too much. This means that at the transmission end transmitter and antenna array had to have a flat group delay and at the receiver a good RF/IF flat delay response was necessary for both mono and stereo reception. For AM Stereo receivers Gaussian ceramic filters with a flat G.D.T. were specified. The older muRata numbers usually started with SFG, SFH, SFR, SFP.... I assume SF stood for Synchronous Filter. The newer numbers I think have LA added to the end of the CFU and CFW numbers. These non-linear systems generated a complex set of harmonics up to 6 times the fundamentals in a complex interrelated polyphonic and fragile signal and distortion free reception required that the full path have a flat group delay, or if the group delay was altered for transmission it had to be unaltered in the receiver. This is synonymous with a TV signal in that video is mostly square waves containing odd harmonics and at reception all the harmonics must arrive at the proper time to each other to keep edges sharp and not have overshoot. For AM reception the effects of sky wave, selective fading, asymmetrical sideband reception in both phase and amplitude can destroy the complex structure of these types of signals. For TV, ghosting, and other transmission path distortions can wreck havoc on its reception too. With mono or Harris QAM there are no pre-distorted harmonics necessary to transmit the signal and reception is only compromised with asymmetrical sideband reception. For mono envelope detectors distortion is created when the receiver is de-tuned but for Harris QAM using synchronous detectors only loss of separation without distortion occurs. The remedy for this is ISB using audio phasing and QAM to eliminate the interrelated sidebands which carried information for both channels in both sidebands separated by phase. Compromise this interrelated phase relationship between the sidebands and loss of separation occurs, not to mention distortion. I guess this may be what Grant is referring to in regards to the 75us w/8.7kHz pole having a group delay effect although the primary goal of this curve was to reduce interference. The NRSC specification does also have the associated delay specifications. The real motivation for this mild pre-emphasis was when audio transmission extended to 15kHz and to overcome interference issues and the increasingly narrow band radios produced stations used more and more radical pre-emphasis curves and in the process stepped on each others signals badly. Needless to say things got out of hand and something had to be done. The result is this curve and limiting audio response to 10.2kHz improving interference issues some. Some stations have cut back to 5kHz at night to reduce skywave issues even more but I think it was originally spawned by IBOC HD Radio transmitter installations. The real cause of the interference issues is poor band planning. The over issuing of licenses with too much power at night. Until this is addressed with power cutbacks at night and/or attrition of older stations going dark and permanently releasing the licenses will this improve. Grant mentioned a 50us curve with a pole much higher in frequency, which I would like above 25kHz. This would go well with a Hi-Q IF filter to match with a +/-3.183kHz(50us) bandwidth to preform the de-emphasis before detection. This has some advantages as it reduces 1st adjacent carrier levels before envelope detection. For AM Stereo pre-distorted sideband encoding would be preformed at the audio level prior to this pre-emphasis and then modulated. In the receiver this is de-emphasized at the IF level in a reverse order before stereo decoding. This will also help to reduce some of the out of band higher ordered harmonics that the non-linear multiplicative AM Stereo systems produce during transmission. Incidentally a straight 50us curve w/o pole has a 10dB boost at 10kHz, the same as the 75us w/8.7kHz curve. For good performance it should be proceeded by a +/-15kHz 4 element Gaussian ceramic filter. A narrower ceramic filter could also be employed for narrow band nighttime listening. I would also be in favor of a bass reduction curve, ~2.65ms w/180Hz pre-emphasis that would be compensated for in the receiver, e.g. bass control. It could add 3-5 dB of headroom for the rest of the signal. The ear is much less sensitive to noise in this spectrum area and the interference near the carrier is usually less and has a less of a pronounced effect on bass perception. Think RIAA curve on a record. Now that's a radical curve. This would be mild in comparison. 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Does anyone have one for sale or an c-quam transmitte= r? I am restoring a dymek am5 that I would like connect a medunci decoder t= o but need a way to test it.Thanks=C2=A0Dave Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ------=_Part_8353550_1740308175.1551590587495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have tried for a while to see if Chris cuff still has any Am kits left but so far no response. Does anyone have one for sale or an c-quam transmitter? I am restoring a dymek am5 that I would like connect a medunci decoder to but need a way to test it.
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Due to the way this transmitter works they are all configured for AM stereo, in fact AM mono is a bit of an issue with this design, I need to add phase shift network to trim out any unwanted phase components. In the last few weeks I been busy with replacing the DDS clock with a rubidium clock module, these days it not hard to have a good frequency reference.     For something small as a test unit you could start with an I & Q modulator is all that is really needed. I started out with a set of op- amps to get the R+L and the R-L parts. This was followed by 74HC4066 mixer with four time clock using a AD9850 DDS driven by PIC micro- controller. From the mixer a low-pass filter is used and a transistor class A amplifier on the output. For the pilot tone at 25Hz can be done with a sine-wave oscillator connecting into the Q input via trim-pot. I am thinking of providing information on some of my circuits that I have been experimenting with on the TX and the RX sides. It looks like there could be a few others that need circuit boards and test circuits to work with. If this is the case I can do some PCB's layouts and a few built up boards.      Grant     On Sun, 2019-03-03 at 05:23 +0000, David Williams dangrdav@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > I have tried for a while to see if Chris cuff still has any Am kits > left but so far no response. Does anyone have one for sale or an c- > quam transmitter? 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Due to the way this transmitter works they are all configured for AM stereo, in fact AM mono is a bit of an issue with this design, I need to add phase shift network to trim out any unwanted phase components. In the last few weeks I been busy with replacing the DDS clock with a rubidium clock module, these days it not hard to have a good frequency reference. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For something small as a test unit you could start with an I & Q modulator is all that is really needed. I started out with a set of op- amps to get the R+L and the R-L parts. This was followed by 74HC4066 mixer with four time clock using a AD9850 DDS driven by PIC micro- controller. From the mixer a low-pass filter is used and a transistor class A amplifier on the output. For the pilot tone at 25Hz can be done with a sine-wave oscillator connecting into the Q input via trim-pot. I am thinking of providing information on some of my circuits that I have been experimenting with on the TX and the RX sides. It looks like there could be a few others that need circuit boards and test circuits to work with. If this is the case I can do some PCB's layouts and a few built up boards. =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Grant =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Sun, 2019-03-03 at 05:23 +0000, David Williams dangrdav@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > I have tried for a while to see if Chris cuff still has any Am kits > left but so far no response. Does anyone have one for sale or an c- > quam transmitter? 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I have listened to several am stereo stations/setups and they = are great.
Dave


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On Sunday, March 3, 2019, 11:01 AM, Grant zl1wtt1@yahoo.= com.au [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
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Hi Dave,

I will be selling my AM stereo transmitters later on the year, you will
need a 200W 50 ohm load for it. Due to the way this transmitter works
they are all configured for AM stereo, in fact AM mono is a bit of an
issue with this design, I need to add phase shift network to trim out
any unwanted phase components. In the last few weeks I been busy with
replacing the DDS clock with a rubidium clock module, these days it not
hard to have a good frequency reference.    

For something small as a test unit you could start with an I & Q
modulator is all that is really needed. I started out with a set of op-
amps to get the R+L and the R-L parts. This was followed by 74HC4066
mixer with four time clock using a AD9850 DDS driven by PIC micro-
controller. From the mixer a low-pass filter is used and a transistor
class A amplifier on the output. For the pilot tone at 25Hz can be done
with a sine-wave oscillator connecting into the Q input via trim-pot.

I am thinking of providing information on some of my circuits that I
have been experimenting with on the TX and the RX sides. It looks like
there could be a few others that need circuit boards and test circuits
to work with. If this is the case I can do some PCB's layouts and a few
built up boards.     

Grant    

On Sun, 2019-03-03 at 05:23 +0000, David Williams dangrdav@yahoo.com
[amstereoforum] wrote:
> I have tried for a while to see if Chris cuff still has any Am kits > left but so far no response. Does anyone have one for sale or an c- > quam transmitter? I am restoring a dymek am5 that I would like
> connect a medunci decoder to but need a way to test it.
>
> Thanks 
> Dave
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>

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I been working away on my multi-band receiver, I have found a HD radio chip that I can access the I & Q outputs on, and this will let me decode SSB and AM stereo. The frequency range is 150 kHz up to 30 MHz on one mixer and the other is 64 to 108 MHz, it looks like it will also do the air band as well. The SSB decoding can be done with simple phase-shift network and the AM stereo decoding can be done with op- amps. By going to a single chip like this it should keep the cost down, where most of the circuitry is going to be in the demodulate side. The aim is have good sounding receiver made using current technology and therefore be able to be made with devices that are currently on the market.  I now waiting on more information from the manufacturer of these DSP chips.  Grant           From n1ea@arrl.net Fri Mar 22 11:57:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10223 invoked by uid 102); 22 Mar 2019 18:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.198.29.79) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2019 18:57:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3068 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2019 18:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4001.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.221.10.59) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2019 18:57:48 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoogroups.com designates 98.137.70.156 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: Bs8O5zUWLDu3Hx444v3DQhBqq3O1xfB9kjqEoA2JHr6K8SQu iGhVWloIaE3Qj.UQhtgsZf0I0RWdP89SXfxFrsLIZfM7YsxITBmlaqjvwAgK p8grswDLwvDAHyqoQAaQX3LnUR6fWErdNebXK6w5BBif0i7XCBPlyCKvvxsg 0jXf00Nmebh8OSUNrWDbscmIYGrquxK7TgGo7t7J8DNT9ggXx13M1mHmeE0I kjihRtsUNkeK1OirG_e4yHCOzDRkTZRmOQhSaHQXRwtUhuyX6mv3HdfNL7FE dcJNFYh44tJ0MNycpE4Zl7VhqM.93NNY7SyNZKy22G_AUvcVBKMgDlqCq8pW 7fGSt5AP10G5NVPswZgzIcx69pfhnZWNb2QBvbr7uMIrxpNCO2j5WSv9PZKP 7GpiYepsCwWLlXUfIuXI6GI8C.oa5WHJHe9goMU3Zku7lveiO8RQ1Tw8qgVP C9yZ7pI6ru3a3e0bUg4HSuH_cayXm818tQqP16k4lgQWDW7f9ePkgsmYBVpo YD.1Kxt6P0eUhDMCHvsnFFHo3noYCQiT50CARepB_vfKftfv.Of_f1Vz4t6D DRwNsdeV5AkMM7kAzk361iGQDOnH0Bd0jZiz0dDxpiPHwW7qLqUHn_XMxpWh RRYBt_pD7lb.Kvf3AmpFmi2SIb5Gggon4GeN5R08XPp7v2hDjRnFbauE8QGR 3jV_tFL8RZsQKm88wYsIlyde3Z9ySAUXD8bNh2Kh4_pNkyDySz72Cb2TT9Lm sW5CDh71xydSndx9gcBIsh95_GmlBN2zRMtuGzVLXkf2._1IzlApUSNMH03Z agUimodIvU01O.YWtt.dkvMw2S_XeXOcysweDyvmi.HU3eiOmgQ6f6iQpo4j hrZ5vOMmomeVK8.YK1._CZMsE.ODNOIcvLrJ3DiUYBh3FUmrPuySxMHYL3l7 qDIl3MYkLQNY5vmGF74e253mPttqAIcgQPcfGGtRKSIuDw0_cN9I.sp.bbvR .h925QBdzvnlFsGXMeeMwzM9svxAmm4wF.AYZI8zs.PDmp7_ztuwu9ec0TUU LbPoJl0nXxseXrl2uXYh9rIeMf92.xGC8d7kTOp5u5BIyawkMP2uwty1h2Gy egxgFyMu58t2kFPPIYCKzPVgviw5QY9b3UpLWiERu9y2I8U- Authentication-Results: mta4001.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com header.i=@yahoogroups.com; header.s=echoe; dkim=pass (ok) X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO sonic318-30.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.137.70.156) by mta4001.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:57:47 +0000 X-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic318.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:57:46 +0000 Date: 22 Mar 2019 18:17:53 +0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gapi6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2019 18:17:53 -0000 To: X-Original-Return-Path: n1ea@arrl.net X-Original-From: n1ea@arrl.net X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster References: <1552954757.5124.24.camel@yahoo.com.au> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1552954757.5124.24.camel@yahoo.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Originating-IP: 173.76.192.41 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.76.192.41 Reply-To: n1ea@arrl.net Subject: Re: DSP receiver and stereo decoder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=tZ86nkW-s1zhS_V7nY4Scz7UG2afPsmcgSrOhv-Oi5n72O0 X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr From: n1ea@arrl.net QnkgY2hhbmNlIGRvZXMgdGhlIGNoaXAgc3VwcG9ydCBEUk0gc28gdGhhdCBpdCBjYW4gcmVj ZWl2ZSBEUk0gc2hvcnR3YXZlIGFzIHdlbGw/CgpUaGUgbGFzdCBBTSBTdGVyZW8gbmVhciBt ZSB3ZW50IG9mZiBhaXIuIFNhZCEKClJlZ2FyZHMsCgpEYXZpZA== From zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au Fri Mar 22 14:45:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Sender: zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8932 invoked by uid 102); 22 Mar 2019 21:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.198.29.78) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2019 21:45:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11760 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2019 21:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4001.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.194.219) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2019 21:45:25 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoo.com.au designates 74.6.130.41 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: ZcIZyxIWLDu2pHapjhEiZuWdYGaic50I65lXAL__Bnn2RwQK jWELniQyJRB64OFP41F2jzZ4tUMNKpvKc4iRpKwTXRW1i5oKSmiCcc9UZjEs pHRIuGMOI_5tN9LWLnlKtIAoYrBHWrffgqSUs619kO5cFE6LTa1UFKqeFAj3 KOQHa1_h8Z03G2xDEfe.4qjpDOTyiEEwWb_Nnku5y.osiJ81QN8KzH.Jt8yf QHMr4MN06JmOd9Z3ikXL9x3ncpXQUC7HcBh7XvtFE6BGnYKcaDTA8pdPO4q0 1u2.FfJqSN1dc6EMigD_b2ZSTwqV5fDUzNsqY75E3bXHpSltEF60kTnNeqB7 Zcf7YDzuGzWN0liw2hP3lStHmIx7fEire_GwYSZaxYhWFEpGFrJwDtW8U821 tbc0vjJwtEcj3.kR84YWG9hoT_8v6hYvO0bqMe84TEHf67M2CeSNVlvMK4Rl VXohUR1rP2gKipVeYevgAA0mpYwfcsI1sR2lSEUDrK8Fs5c1Pol4loLx5M_M 5KP_NA8bTJE4JBkT3.hi9qjVQ.GBdSMK0NB.2amBwzevgG5xjq3azAN0lqAr MRq3J3W0l.66fuJW68YXiui.OxMqMEn3OwdfHc1iPQuiAyQxs2aaMySsF2CT Kg_veZ6wsHPtQWJQdgz67WfdIAoLSYTARe8UiemMQ18amO9DOT.Y1BNtjRPC 3jc.wpuRY4OY4l1L1QogbpyQhd78BpvTijLdPBG2PG20LAKHx0lnXWRm4_m. 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The cost per board is already getting up to $100.00 mark as is.    It will have AM, NBFM, SSB and C-QUAM from 150 kHz all the way up to 30 MHz, with standard FM from 76 to 108 MHz. I will be adding in an I & Q baseband output to connect up to a sound device in a computer. This will let you do much more like decoding DRM with DRMdream in software or whatever the latest digital mode is. I am also thinking about adding in a Bluetooth interface, to let you play music files from your smart phone, which is a common place these days with portable stereos. It will a take a bit time to do all the prototyping, so don't expect much before the end of the year. Grant  On Fri, 2019-03-22 at 18:17 +0000, n1ea@arrl.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > By chance does the chip support DRM so that it can receive DRM > shortwave as well? > > The last AM Stereo near me went off air. 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The prototype was using a Ferrite rod AM antenna, as in this link: https://www.mallinson-electrical.com/ferrite-rod-am-antenna-loopstick-a erial-mw-lw-coils-370uh-4-1mh-10mm-127mm.html But as you can see it is now out stock, I now need to feed a replacement that has dual coil's for LW and MW. I have found a good supply of SVC321SPA Varicap diodes, and most other key parts. ?? I have had a number of people from overs seas asking about AM stereo products, and I seem to have become a point of contact on the subject. They seems to say the same old comments regarding the poor audio quality of digital radio, and wanting to bring back a better sounding format. So I am sending information out about my AM stereo transmitters and sending on information about receivers. ???? You may find this interesting by Techmoan, who looks at DAB bit-rates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27w3quNTP84 So it is important to keep this web site as current as possible, I know that they can be a lot of work, but I am sending this link out as a goto for information on the topic. http://www.amstereo.org/ Grant From zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au Sat May 04 17:37:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Sender: zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24535 invoked by uid 102); 5 May 2019 00:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.198.29.78) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2019 00:37:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30188 invoked from network); 5 May 2019 00:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4000.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.194.145) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2019 00:37:45 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoo.com.au designates 74.6.130.42 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: Un0hcRcWLDvZ5Y4dWQ1DYlyz0GARBwEW6SakfDGpjYnssw4K rUvNyz0WY2ehehSZnCwc0AQXH0OIW64zrNG8hh558yPNHHPmlME.6ArPd1S. ltAqV_rfA1aZ5n88vNqcHrwlIL.1dAySwq0CXLku6.UkT.kDFw15In5JbGz9 KCe8paNZChU0Cf9ZhAkSIciy.JUM6HibP0WqL.yW1IkvyPTtRo7vGWG.AQZz BLlr7w08za9c9ciQIUivNwJqYPmZYQtf..z8JuehXin26Dfjfy4AICW9QqeL h49s2obXdSIuXm0ZuLlyMyUh.RjLB2r4bB.YRevQiE.vuE.ttIR4k8iBvXYe FmTVACOo7eZUZuhSPtXKfI28_eiqr0pvsaLykk3OKtCKJD7XaNStiSXkLkLz C48FpNaXMfDmG3N0i83eGwB5olDHsyW9KJIV6ctIWukbqki0eZJOr2i4exdP TCn4aeIjMaCH7aWR4lo3.0xrHZBN9Ifzx33L8p_h4J3b_fpklRVzq1hVIAjv YFWtTlP5rQ14c.Av.8MLELSu90Xlu5y26a.YLbTCZVOVIWGk7cPi.Htvc6Qy Zkx40sqI0YHZHSttffFsjfgdC6FKd9cGvMqKX1bIBgU7t_GIRKFTzrb6wqqD zMw.0goztcW0kT7YOKy3vow158vnr8BCl0i4FXoIeu9oH8rYgoNopIHmp_t8 zzz_SrEzUN5ebLHaaPgDoIfOYJK1HpUDQZX.J.saA5oZ76XYs88MQVqnLRVX 9aKqrUoJCUZ9zUm8j0xF1iPG9Iv__eJKxEQN89UsK6L3WQAM.mb8dqRrtjxP H2e.0S1ZlrT3VrWSyvXa7CUlYvNSWxpGOv.JaTMwSQ6rZkmVt5QTy_0351RC tZ2ChGdJNya50YF.TO0bnLUUJ5Loma3YQ.rrMNYXYCQpZ6qYeDTrjHrr5_YP x0eQFNJ92_4fbSr7_rSk5Z7bSeqGdRN96WHHjP.NY5vPIJsMW1gZ2kTiewV6 UUrnlGld6FmRix_If7BqSktYxnh91N8v5Aa5gxqNl2AzBZ2RExZZaPvXbaYn faWwg__6Jc00GpKCqsddYAWGnPTwwNi8.Rc5sztigP0OJohcc8qjcS1XL7oW VrlvIleKeReMEHcqOe2iQQ-- Authentication-Results: mta4000.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com header.i=@yahoo.com.au; header.s=s2048; dkim=pass (ok) X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO sonic308-3.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com) (74.6.130.42) by mta4000.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Sun, 05 May 2019 00:37:45 +0000 X-YMail-OSG: Kmp0QCYVM1mi7QAQGzcgKgr4IOyxdDlGicPKuEWqUXZeIqRr.wWD9kprgT2P2JQ hZDfpa.su66T41L0uID8RlH8xv_NdEE.DrmG.FsOlILodzvIlVwJGf3lbVDPVhZgXTpYQ4wiU3Xb pKWpsKSnZTJvh.4FiZEbV5dA9M8Zarxbfg7NTYtAKQYHU.Q5TWkvuAcaJeuuMXXXst_FC24gBatX Y7khhdAFb2rH.BrgTWIzi0FHGDfkn4S8p8_HcQZ.Lpo3GLXYa1hdXPrbZ2wvkZWatY4K4s6hSXx3 GDmdZbVZm64_CK_YxV5rNSUGxgHZn1YysKEIxELjArKatBMjmTVFh.xFQtmzotxmgqtcPdmRzutm 3DfQEfF2xnw32sDaBuzy8YZ9fAgAZ_sIPOU3SrLcBTVwOQUsocg.ABiZff21waEHa1nal1doizYV 3c_HRrfws6kPUxCj3WjHsAkqh3NZ4D.ch0dbPpSUdhEQsU8qZQVbLUKPQXLVvzBHQNsz_oV_thtL 5i1VhoFpICVAmQ9p9v6fwpDFkq4aLGCsPMdOH3wErWhaDcFZAqN5q26uOFjuaVaEMkqtyjQ8OUje 4lcPrrMUtvjQgy3sCdYKe8nqceyZ9CsJZ.kbEGyXk0ZotOrMDITrCKyivvHjIgB6TGFi892jGHoG NwCrQIxQs2XoyZ9uAbGHRFxPmQqmuGy3dDNV8YKUP6Sj.T.ercvJtBOzTZ8ykQJJj5Ax82DFPSnr PUsfNlMPky0NpEjOfeUt7nnWCwPMD0skREFrPqX7lCc5uCZgWHQ_uSu2yC4AadywuuQOGNXXk4B0 fvWPb4.Bly0R.edJeerAaEqXiFp_anD3vE.0pZW4KY2HgRONegeIWs2dTkvT.kr1Qd0oO2IQwmkX fyJD5PRRo3mmzp.nEQsE_DsIKuv21ARNu9QS6GDaHgb7WbW5O9Ia_zyHgfKNj2eJPUzoJqkA5To9 YyZq66n7WLpe9eRZ6wz5g4pk_Uye6eA39tY9gipTlRSkL1KrTM7h.d5_lk5Jx5oHhVWSQzljgKDs Ft00PVnzyQrWOlMWzNgXDSdXKZHeqtOjvL_YKr4vYvd2UKboE5c_W2P6NbJWqcCu1_L1LG9f3u44 b3vlAlleffHvv58knfbFfOLTWvRT0zRPGhdITKAhQDyQ- X-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 5 May 2019 00:37:45 +0000 X-Received: from 216.165.217.92 (EHLO [192.168.0.11]) ([216.165.217.92]) by smtp416.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 88b5f047e4c539f52ee1a060dc0be7db for ; Sun, 05 May 2019 00:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1557016663.12987.21.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 04 May 2019 20:37:43 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.201.194.145 Subject: Basic Compandor System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=SwcR-wTrQxT7Uy4bkEl5WdCKxdyrYyyd-F25heGBGQ85cA X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi All, This weekend I was working Jack audio on a compandor system to drive my transmitter, and it has been very??successful. I am placing the compressor just before 50uS pre-emphasis, and the expander on the audio out from the CFS-6000 receiver. Once they are both in alignment I am getting an improved dynamic range with a simple from of noise reduction. The next step is to find the best compandor ratio to use with AM radio. Once this is done I plan to build a hardware compander using two SA572, one for each end.?? I will pass on more information, as I do the experiments with the ratio settings. Grant ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? 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SwA5kX1NR.jU4sMhZKL_Ul3bDxfiB1MI8pv7N5OJuJGrebvGE4zVuf1673emrKy9xNU_jKr_ASrn TXjS.Sfu_KzQ_ X-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic316.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2019 01:19:08 +0000 X-Received: from 216.165.217.92 (EHLO [192.168.0.11]) ([216.165.217.92]) by smtp409.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f68eb0a8314d22dad8b2cf43de944bd7 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 01:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1558401545.11039.46.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 21:19:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1557016663.12987.21.camel@yahoo.com.au> References: <1557016663.12987.21.camel@yahoo.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.222.143.200 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Basic Compandor System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=gzJbS-8FZjQcYFLMQVtzhtWi6IInHdeLtrKqumjSPA3_hQ X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi all, It has taking a few weeks of full on experimenting, I now have a fully working Compandor process for both AM mono and AM stereo modulators. It is very important how the audio preprocessing stage is setup, this has a large impact on how well the received signal will sound. This is because any audio processing that is done is in it's self a form of distortion and needs to be set up to provide best signal to noise with minimal level of generated distortion.  There are two places where AM performance is compromised one area is in the audio pre-processing stage and the other is in the receiver IF stage. So therefore both of these areas need to be improved, this is where the transmitter and receiver designs are very closely linked. This is why I am working at both ends to maximize the over all performance and sound quality.   I am using a Compressor and Expander based around the NE/SA571 with a few changes to the circuit in the data sheet. It is so important to used the THD trim on pins 8 and 9, this balance out device. Unlike other forms of Companding it operate in a single mode, where the compressor operates below the cross over point in the gain mode and the opposite for the expander. This is due to the cross over point is where most of processing distortion takes place in the transition from gain into attenuation. So due to this fact I can say that most if not all AM modulators are miss-aligned, operating across the both modes with higher level distortion that could be minimized. But this is only one of a few factors that are at play, so when I find time I will do an article on the audio alignment process I am using, for my modulators and how each step works for this Companding process. Grant                   On Sat, 2019-05-04 at 20:37 -0400, Grant zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] wrote: > Hi All, > > This weekend I was working Jack audio on a compandor system to drive > my > transmitter, and it has been very??successful. I am placing the > compressor just before 50uS pre-emphasis, and the expander on the > audio > out from the CFS-6000 receiver. Once they are both in alignment I am > getting an improved dynamic range with a simple from of noise > reduction. The next step is to find the best compandor ratio to use > with AM radio. Once this is done I plan to build a hardware compander > using two SA572, one for each end.?? > > I will pass on more information, as I do the experiments with the > ratio > settings. > > Grant ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 21 07:22:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23507 invoked by uid 102); 21 May 2019 14:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.224.239) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2019 14:22:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21902 invoked from network); 21 May 2019 14:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4001.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.194.219) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2019 14:22:37 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoo.com designates 74.6.134.41 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: zPDjFI0WLDtz8GGcLYyUeuYulfz8f696FAPh0ufy5yRRSSGG Y8fh.LVOIvpursNriH0._VMajp6k4iapCqGYUweoT.F4_eDIQ0GzOzryx0rp 72ZuXCdjN10hDImUazCLz8H6DN4t54zYGG79Ak4Uw3.Z3tZP5EUwZOI48bf. 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Hi,
Anyone have a basic low cost Compander that we could use to drive our AM ST transmitters from Chris or from Sotiris?
Thanks,
John
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The input levels need to be setup in a way to minimize distortion, this need to be done at both ends RX and TX. There is a number of other factors that need to be look at as well, to get best all round performance. Or I could just design a 1U rack case with all the hardware already set up, that can go in line with the modulator, but this will need to be part of the audio pre-processor stage. Would this help? Grant ???? 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Wed, 22 May 2019 03:52:06 +0000 X-Received: from 216.165.217.92 (EHLO [192.168.0.11]) ([216.165.217.92]) by smtp428.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 927e2ce493c4415e7b29d51c16d80925 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1558497120.12102.25.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 23:52:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <1557016663.12987.21.camel@yahoo.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.222.143.200 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Basic Compandor System X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=1AVh1pnLPK-bKUUzD-jvwLjfi7PCP1BYtChT7Bg8AJ9HKA X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi Scott, No, you do not need a perfect symmetry, this because the compressor is running in a single mode (below the cross over point). Therefore the compressor is fixed in 2:1 gain configuration, so the system can work with a mismatch on the expander end. By using technique you never move into the cross over point, and due to this perfect symmetry is not required.?? All my transmitters and receiver will have this feature fitted that will be switched in and out as required. I will provide all the details on how this will all work when I get some time to write it all up, and it is fully backwards compatible with current technology. My 100 Watt transmitters are all using this compressor configuration and I will be doing the same on 1kW versions as well. This will not have any impact on AM stereo, if anything it would bring new life into the format. Grant ???? ???? ?? ?? ?? ?? On Wed, 2019-05-22 at 03:09 +0000, scottn0bst@igenesis.us [amstereoforum] wrote: > Your efforts to perfect the system are noble and I don't doubt your > engineering prowess, but if we're going to end up with something that > requires perfect symmetry on both the broadcast and receive ends the > only ones who will be able to use it are hobbyists who control both > ends with a net result that will kill AM stereo, not save it.?? You'd > be better off reverse engineering a Ford Mach 460 radio of mine from > the mid 90s and find a way to make it affordable to the masses. > > Scott Todd > From zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au Tue Jul 09 16:53:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Sender: zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29090 invoked by uid 102); 9 Jul 2019 23:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.224.239) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2019 23:53:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31475 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2019 23:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4001.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.194.219) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2019 23:53:13 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: Authentication-Results: mta4001.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com header.i=@yahoo.com.au header.s=s2048 dkim=pass (ok); spfDomain=yahoo.com.au spfResult=pass; dmarc=pass(p=reject sp=NULL dis=none) header.from=yahoo.com.au X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoo.com.au designates 98.137.64.206 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: i3t8QrsWLDsJyzAuzjhVp1NDrCqiu43zlRMXAmLgk657uR3T FfSTfFoAj.Wl8fQebLeZfhygy_T7OMYYllOiGEDIJhJsRXlxQCYU8ybhawns Z3Lx0BsGzFeXjmsreNf0epMa.bOw6Ut_VzMLr09cPrKixqvbDbpS1uadjHhy LQ0UDtMECRsSvPULrO3gSn7WF16roW9qqS199EhFEL_1d4eKAv9SkZjfw5Zv 17.HqQ_iWTaYhkP_P8QtZGffbdNJw9CF_8RtIV_0njfjT1KkaW93dtgsk_ll 9jTMWcTu4u4IPdk1Caqt_C7B_OoFJ08lI7EEMnjU3nAEeAsd.9H27GH0yuny _VpQxIkHYGYpmPMK7dtFn0WuqUr.Yx3yxOXj7gDeI9tmk4lPJPWi02TRQHSv 41qwlJ8.KbjjmbAmH3xeQrA4.eozh0.HkXUTpa4YBQyOOY5olaAAvso1j3zA iG.r96CDiq8AcUt7N_VRE3N278NQJiP85s0mF4MVexHpiIlkWfFvYTKI3uAb zkjqPUkRq03Igzwtt9nYjjHk84mY5UCGPbM0sTeSPgfYekHdDA9NawTQOM_g .RraIdbKRBbrfBqDB9lq81F2eeG7Thhu7.FIqIT7JIsNYicY3yqtTxTcNxgA iAr96sJwVUzvvG7zpqtyzIff_uwuGJUF6iIA12fc_1vPZmRNxh6cl6vlDhxR J9ZaHzM_lV8yCirMDHz4yCM3ot1TLtXnWudwA5V9DIZAi7CmKa_V8UyJUwrb p1mvE89fvjilHUM5Y6HENXXGgewEG3_WJ9SeEvRmh2J22iwzTcP4dBuasQgv K62RUY6H7xaMnwC.YcYz.EktgA9CGg_P6PMngppKe8Y.mqNlG5qbjx2OoPB9 mQQMJYJLE_EdUAEYiMpOVA68DmUBskjA1H3dRYKzLAPbtEYP2Q58II60yhsb E5LGYiqyAs3_vrlzAIoo5UoAinsHDe97C5KwDmWoaLQe80MEwFZUZUhLqM6C jzhK59HRnmInOGGOMwkFMtxCn3fhK47T2f_yaM7GSvdVDDTRT2o.kiyGQIVz hRETovernAOpUarlCZKoF1vfgfDrzA0- X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO sonic303-25.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.137.64.206) by mta4001.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:53:13 +0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7UfM_JcVM1lFU2uOPNYCXlBhzvSW3kA3HGDmiOyAozGX2atxUOL7QB80wdgmdK2 cVFGlIr8qoc8TV8YXXdNFPvLAEERz.hvPalU0oLUkCbNh967BRyOGCgxRMExV8gfMnyhModB1hOC RfW4eGn.4dPNGYT11LcQJyXUBJelLjZ47L.FROLCVl9bt1cgCkRrwPZ_HPG_WlFhKzf7.n7USvi5 PMe8VKurfjGHWVZrLagGEf_hGc2rKt7EEja2g7q4d3TZnxDOfijxfIFbjf5AktCQigZVBqVksVSI SeklmH.RnHtnP2_Z_g.810ByxL4rC4HLz_Qpbci83Awm9BJR0iEikra4a55vuhUGxsfBCZBEtmn2 qLd8Xd_9q7q2q4XlPi0JPcnkMc7AjZ52Y8b5fl4fitAGCID4lu_k5A1kQmTd2PsVuhLfLIKWqABj EkPH07qMuXIw3iCTwbTkIIW9pDSp4nFQEVdRxi_4Mu8z2AIciV6dQOSjROmm3eH7QZcaFYrNSrjf KiOg1uXUcIcTdsvg5uOMRupPoDijdsRkNTFuByhCdGgoLL6G2.84yskQ5z2SDfaZBK3QgMmq5TaF sXMMmy7DELbQ1OnBkBmLydrnstjKNXLm5X4vyDPzuyQHMNFalKydXBjwuGIeqcIFEU0bJJ.OUg.w U9JKjoheB1Q4o9wsks_f9AjFxS46.R1ZZh1pn4_fLMPAT_6d8_RZLUslTF4Ido1LK9v5vZfWa4ot WeqE72xaZpd4yH.4S8XGKM3AMgYNufd7JKOVpaVw7o0EyBDbYFA0NZQ0Ba9ITzdwlc_ONlFvgMHG 620O3sZdYaa05EkReH4POHscGjVQe7VG6g3lygpFo__HP1lt1033VeaSlQZL5KS3pSEQSh04grdF HovYjDm4a6c_GK0A50NqwDcPGurd.LDMCek8CzpIuqf37.vQ_kgkjdezVvvk4.2A6OidwsNzfyjZ UfmikGtstl1W6N4YJBXyIus2o96ojllFVg4AC8G5jH5z2VJQSJsZ4nWt4a6Vjvil_4dXCgJnYTVh hHlqUKZALy50qI2MHy4aqmuTa28q1leYXdpsbJGhyW2h6EGY1yk2wTtCGXdkp30DaRFfmLwbwwH_ NhfPTYdEAjoFI2kqtoGTTkY1SEA8Qr732lJc2UQZ62wGPurJBkWjYKKsgGoeganMVxzVwPQzlTZ6 sju6EBFFrbJ48wNlZHhBsjKLYmQ-- X-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 23:53:12 +0000 X-Received: by smtp426.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 191c72a3323b3ef3216fccb555e019f4; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1562716387.19170.46.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 19:53:07 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.201.194.219 Subject: New type of Amplification X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=LlY9aZ-B_3gGQu_y-0aIfqp9CYWM7FQooQJVmCKR6k6SIA X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi all, I have been working on a new type amplification over the last few years, I can now go into more detail on how it works. By using this form of pulse amplification, I can encode In-phase & Quadrature components to drive a switching output stage as a power amplifier. I have now workout many of bugs for this process, and looking at moving onto the next stage of testing. This will be based around a fully working AM broadcast transmitter using this form of Quadrature amplification.?? To get this transmitter to have an unique sound I am using a TC Electronic finalizer plus, driving 2x balanced audio outputs to the transmitter. Where then it feed into a 2:1 Compandor using a SA571, then onto the pre-emphasis curve, at this point it goes into sum and difference stage for AM stereo processing. The TX signal processing is done in an analog form within a FPGA, where I & Q parts are combined in a way to rebuild the wanted waveform (in this case AM + PM for C-QUAM). I also could modulate HD radio with this process, but I wanted the full rich sound you can only get with AM stereo. So the outcome of all this is softer sounding AM transmission, that has the linearity of Class A with the efficiency of Class E. But again this transmitter is lost on your average AM receiver, Where I am using a Denon TU-680NAB receiver connected to a Pioneer EX-9000 expander and getting real good sounding off air performance with this setup.?? I will keep everyone updated on how all the on air testing goes over the next year or so. ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? 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The best performing one was the Denon TU-680NAB tuner followed by the: Sony STR-AV370 AV receiver. Sony CFS-6000 Boombox, had a sharp roll off below 100 Hz. Sony WM-F16 Walkman.?? Sony SRF-A1 Walkman. Sony SRF-42 Walkman and the Denon TU-680NAB were made to the AMAX standard with extended AM broadcast band up to 1.7 MHz. Sony SRF-A100 portable radio, was not as good as the others that were tested. I ended with so many radios because I wanted to compare my Transmitters over a number of receivers, to eliminate the RX side and highlight any issues on the TX. I also used SodiraSDR with SA612 down mixer, very useful tool to work with on the PC.?? On transmitter side I have a flat frequency response from 20 Hz all the way up to 15 kHz, that is limited to 12.5 kHz, with a pre-emphasis network that can be switched in or out as required.?? Grant ?? ?? ???? 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Amazing AM stereo performance with response of 20 to 15 khz +- 1 db, with a notch filter at 10khz to reduce adjacent channel whistle. Also has outstanding FM weak signal performance. Don't get the TX-11. It does NOT have AM receive. Jack On 7/14/2019 8:57 PM, Grant zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have been testing AM stereo receivers today, that I got off Ebay over > the last year or so. > > The best performing one was the Denon TU-680NAB tuner followed by the: > Sony STR-AV370 AV receiver. > Sony CFS-6000 Boombox, had a sharp roll off below 100 Hz. > Sony WM-F16 Walkman.?? > Sony SRF-A1 Walkman. > Sony SRF-42 Walkman and the Denon TU-680NAB were made to the AMAX > standard with extended AM broadcast band up to 1.7 MHz. > Sony SRF-A100 portable radio, was not as good as the others that were > tested. > > I ended with so many radios because I wanted to compare my Transmitters > over a number of receivers, to eliminate the RX side and highlight any > issues on the TX. I also used SodiraSDR with SA612 down mixer, very > useful tool to work with on the PC.?? > > On transmitter side I have a flat frequency response from 20 Hz all the > way up to 15 kHz, that is limited to 12.5 kHz, with a pre-emphasis > network that can be switched in or out as required.?? > > Grant ?? ?? ???? > > --------------28BB54CFA608B5FEB924F0B1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Grant,

Have you tried the Carver TX-11A or TX-11B? Amazing AM stereo performance with response of 20 to 15 khz +- 1 db, with a notch filter at 10khz to reduce adjacent channel whistle. Also has outstanding FM weak signal performance. Don't get the TX-11. It does NOT have AM receive.

Jack

On 7/14/2019 8:57 PM, Grant zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] wrote:
??

Hi All,

I have been testing AM stereo receivers today, that I got off Ebay over
the last year or so.

The best performing one was the Denon TU-680NAB tuner followed by the:
Sony STR-AV370 AV receiver.
Sony CFS-6000 Boombox, had a sharp roll off below 100 Hz.
Sony WM-F16 Walkman.??
Sony SRF-A1 Walkman.
Sony SRF-42 Walkman and the Denon TU-680NAB were made to the AMAX
standard with extended AM broadcast band up to 1.7 MHz.
Sony SRF-A100 portable radio, was not as good as the others that were
tested.

I ended with so many radios because I wanted to compare my Transmitters
over a number of receivers, to eliminate the RX side and highlight any
issues on the TX. I also used SodiraSDR with SA612 down mixer, very
useful tool to work with on the PC.??

On transmitter side I have a flat frequency response from 20 Hz all the
way up to 15 kHz, that is limited to 12.5 kHz, with a pre-emphasis
network that can be switched in or out as required.??

Grant ?? ?? ????

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Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:32:16 +0000 X-Received: by smtp429.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ff8af61f449d7da3cec474bb2e7746ee; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1563229933.24707.0.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 18:32:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <1563152259.12380.33.camel@yahoo.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.221.10.59 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=uCffEGa2zdwtcvwtYzuNz5xBdsF60HhsestAKD-YCpCw7g X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi Jack and John, As for the????Carver TX-11A or TX-11B and the Fanfare FTA-100P, I do not have them here to test. When I did my measurements I look at frequency response and THD, that how the list was put together. Remember I am testing 30 year old receivers, that could a gone out of alignment by now. With the SRF- A100?? it had higher THD than the other receivers, so it placed at the bottom of the list, the tone control is an issue with it. As for Car Tuners I do not have any to test, I may end up fitting the S RF-A100 into my car and connect it to AUX in for the car stereo. With the Denon TU-680NAB, National Association of Broadcasters or any interested group should asked Denon, if they would look at making current day version of this tuner. There has been many improvements made over the last 30 years that could go into good high end receiver.?? Our focus should not be on these old receivers, but getting manufactures to make better receivers then the current junk that is currently on the market.???????? 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DickTampa.=C2=A0=C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: Grant zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] To: amstereoforum Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2019 6:35 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo receivers =C2=A0 Hi Jack and John, As for the????Carver TX-11A or TX-11B and the Fanfare FTA-100P, I do not have them here to test. When I did my measurements I look at frequency response and THD, that how the list was put together. Remember I am testing 30 year old receivers, that could a gone out of alignment by now. With the SRF- A100?? it had higher THD than the other receivers, so it placed at the bottom of the list, the tone control is an issue with it. As for Car Tuners I do not have any to test, I may end up fitting the S RF-A100 into my car and connect it to AUX in for the car stereo. With the Denon TU-680NAB, National Association of Broadcasters or any interested group should asked Denon, if they would look at making current day version of this tuner. There has been many improvements made over the last 30 years that could go into good high end receiver.?? Our focus should not be on these old receivers, but getting manufactures to make better receivers then the current junk that is currently on the market.???????? 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<1563229933.24707.0.camel@yahoo.com.au> <296433141.2375163.1563232721376@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <34efb94a-646e-b50f-0363-effaa73da07b@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 21:52:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <296433141.2375163.1563232721376@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BDFF7875E35A684938C0C577" Content-Language: en-US X-Originating-IP: 10.201.194.219 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235489308; y=PZC28wiSh6oft4dtXhBiAZyP6CZwN5zfKv3tCF6lv9lHlb4T X-Yahoo-Profile: beefus100 From: Jack --------------BDFF7875E35A684938C0C577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Grant, John & Dick, The Carver TX11A AM stereo receive audio is very close to my Delta Electronics ASM-1 AM Stereo Modulation Monitor that I use with my AM stereo transmitter, which is a Delta Electronics ASE-2 AM Stereo Exciter connected to a Radio Systems TR20 transmitter. When switching between my Wheatstone console's Program audio and either receiver's audio outputs the sound quality is very close. The only audible difference is the audio limiting done by the CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor feeding the Delta ASE-2. The SMP-900A CRL unit also transparently limits negative L+R modulation peaks to 70% during single channel modulation to avoid the receiver de-modulator losing carrier synchronization and causing a cracking sound in the receiver's audio. The Carver TX11A also has NRSC AM stereo de-emphasis that can be switched in or out, and wide-narrow IF bandwidth. Very handy! There are usually some TX11A's or B's on ebay. Jack On 7/15/2019 7:18 PM, dwtpa97@verizon.net [amstereoforum] wrote: > > If it goes through, attached is an ad for the Denon receiver, from > days gone by. > I also had a Dodge automobile with a high quality AM stereo receiver > that was awesome.?? Those were good times! > DickTampa. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] > > To: amstereoforum > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2019 6:35 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo receivers > > ?? Hi Jack and John, > > As for the????Carver TX-11A or TX-11B and the Fanfare FTA-100P, I do not > have them here to test. > > When I did my measurements I look at frequency response and THD, that > how the list was put together. Remember I am testing 30 year old > receivers, that could a gone out of alignment by now. With the SRF- > A100?? > it had higher THD than the other receivers, so it placed at the bottom > of the list, the tone control is an issue with it. > > As for Car Tuners I do not have any to test, I may end up fitting the S > RF-A100 into my car and connect it to AUX in for the car stereo. With > the Denon TU-680NAB, National Association of Broadcasters or any > interested group should asked Denon, if they would look at making > current day version of this tuner. There has been many improvements > made over the last 30 years that could go into good high end receiver.?? > > Our focus should not be on these old receivers, but getting > manufactures to make better receivers then the current junk that is > currently on the market.???????? > > Grant > > #yiv3765387461 #yiv3765387461 -- #yiv3765387461ygrp-mkp { border:1px > solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} > #yiv3765387461 #yiv3765387461ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > #yiv3765387461 #yiv3765387461ygrp-mkp #yiv3765387461hd { > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px > 0;} #yiv3765387461 #yiv3765387461ygrp-mkp #yiv3765387461ads { > margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv3765387461 #yiv3765387461ygrp-mkp > .yiv3765387461ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv3765387461 #yiv3765387461ygrp-mkp > .yiv3765387461ad p { margin:0;} #yiv3765387461 #yiv3765387461ygrp-mkp > .yiv3765387461ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} > #yiv3765387461 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Grant, John & Dick,

The Carver TX11A AM stereo receive audio is very close to my Delta Electronics ASM-1 AM Stereo Modulation Monitor
that I use with my AM stereo transmitter, which is a Delta Electronics ASE-2 AM Stereo Exciter connected to a
Radio Systems TR20 transmitter.

When switching between my Wheatstone console's Program audio and either receiver's audio outputs the sound quality
is very close. The only audible difference is the audio limiting done by the CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor feeding the
Delta ASE-2.

The SMP-900A CRL unit also transparently limits negative L+R modulation peaks to 70% during single
channel modulation to avoid the receiver de-modulator losing carrier synchronization and causing a cracking
sound in the receiver's audio.

The Carver TX11A also has NRSC AM stereo de-emphasis that can be switched in or out, and wide-narrow IF bandwidth. Very handy!

There are usually some TX11A's or B's on ebay.

Jack

On 7/15/2019 7:18 PM, dwtpa97@verizon.net [amstereoforum] wrote:
??

If it goes through, attached is an ad for the Denon receiver, from days gone by.????
I also had a Dodge automobile with a high quality AM stereo receiver that was awesome.?? Those were good times!
DickTampa.????

-----Original Message-----
From: Grant zl1wtt1@yahoo.com.au [amstereoforum] <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
To: amstereoforum <amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2019 6:35 pm
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo receivers

?? Hi Jack and John,

As for the????Carver TX-11A or TX-11B and the Fanfare FTA-100P, I do not
have them here to test.

When I did my measurements I look at frequency response and THD, that
how the list was put together. Remember I am testing 30 year old
receivers, that could a gone out of alignment by now. With the SRF-
A100??
it had higher THD than the other receivers, so it placed at the bottom
of the list, the tone control is an issue with it.

As for Car Tuners I do not have any to test, I may end up fitting the S
RF-A100 into my car and connect it to AUX in for the car stereo. With
the Denon TU-680NAB, National Association of Broadcasters or any
interested group should asked Denon, if they would look at making
current day version of this tuner. There has been many improvements
made over the last 30 years that could go into good high end receiver.??

Our focus should not be on these old receivers, but getting
manufactures to make better receivers then the current junk that is
currently on the market.????????

Grant

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The tests were comparing digital radio vs AM stereo, and which has best sound. I started by building a simple I & Q modulator based on the soft-rock 80, that was a common kit at this time. It used as a Tayloe modulator with a crystal oscillator, that I replaced with a DDS module, driving a home made 100 watt PA. Tests were: 1/ How well does DRM work over skywave using 80 and 40 meters? With the DRM modulator having modes B through to D for skywave, where mode B had the highest bit rate and mode D had the best robustness with at low bit rate. The outcome was that mode B was the only mode that had a high enough bit rate that was useful within a 10 kHz channel. This was only about 21 kb/s with this data through put, I could only run one audio stream using mono with AAC+ encoding. Using mode C and D, this worked well as data modulator that out performed any HF packet been used at that time. 2/ How well does DRM work on ground wave using 160 and 80 meters? By operating in mode A, I was able to get up to a data through put of around 35 kb/s, again it worked out well with mono AAC+ encoding, but with stereo it just was not that good. It sounded very much like 128kb/s mp3 file been played, where on a high-end sound system you notes the distortion on the higher audio frequencies.?? With careful testing, the minimum requirement for good quality stereo encoding, was in the area of 64kb/s with AAC+, using 44.1 kHz sampling. As you can tell a 10 kHz channel on ground wave was not able to pass a data rate of 64 kb/s, this is only possible within 20 kHz channel in mode A. 3 How would DRM compare with AM stereo within a 10 kHz channel? This testing was done with Ralph (ZL1TBG) a friend of mine on 160 meter band. He followed on from the work I did on 80 meters, with DRM and AM stereo (C-QUAM) and soon found the same thing, that DRM within 10 kHz bandwidth was not able to send high quality stereo. Where AM stereo had the advantage, this only happens when you are limited to low data bit- rates below 64kb/s.?? 4/ How well does AM stereo work over skywave? For this test I built a loop antenna for Medium wave, with home made AM stereo kit-set radio. In NZ at this time there was no AM stereo radio stations on the air, the last one had shifted to news service and dropped their stereo transmission a few years before. This mean I could only test long distance AM stereo transmissions at night from ABC Australia. The interesting thing is it did work very well, over 2500 km path with no other local stations on the same frequency. The only down side was the path had fading in it, which mean the stereo keep on cutting in and out with the loss of the 25 Hz pilot tone. Where AM stereo comes in over short hops, this would be an issue with the higher angle of the skywave coming down, such as with Near Vertical Incidence Skywave (NVIS), from the information that I have found on this topic. ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? Where it is possible to get down to low bit rates for DMR with voice encoders, low as 4.8 kb/s in DV mode DSTAR, this means that any digital radio service on Medium wave??broadcast band is limit non-music formats. In the case analog Television, there was a very good case to move across to digital transmission format, with the advancements in video compression. This simply does not apply in the case of AM radio, if anything it shows how poorly inform some people are pushing for digital radio. When two radio operators can simply go out and do the on air testing to show the short comings narrow band digital radio broadcasting. At this time I do not see any real advancement in the short term, with low bit rate digital audio encoders, yet I would like to see a future with high quality music programming been possible within the Medium wave??band.?? Something to think about, Grant ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? 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Sat, 10 Aug 2019 18:37:38 +0000 X-Received: by smtp420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 72c18251289bbfc523b86ed8b82d85d2; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 18:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1565462254.5418.35.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:37:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <1565300754.6808.90.camel@yahoo.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.222.143.200 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Information on experiments that were done back in the 2000's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=cdxW_iGKqRtDfvs3WM3eoF7T7eeswLvq2ugCnQ5RUp_GFA X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi John, IBoc or HD radio is more an US based format, so there was not much available in the way software to test. The DRM COFDM system is a very good modulation format with pilot carriers throughout the modulated bandwidth. By using the amplitude and phase as a reference, it is possible to correct for changers within path. I am all for DRM as a broadcast transmission system, but if it is DRM or a form HD radio there is a minimum data bandwidth that is needed for a high quality radio broadcast.?? I have been thinking about adding in two extra pilot carriers into the C-QUAM format to do much the same. By using three??synchronous receivers and comparing the phase from all three, it should be possible to do a basic level of phase correction for AM stereo via sky wave.?? Yes, you may get away with 56K bit-rate, once you go below this level you will start to notices compassion artifacts, especially on more complex forms of music like with orchestral for example. All my work with digital television has been with DVB, this is DVB-S,S2 QPSK/8PSK and DVB-T COFDM, where this has made big difference in coverage areas over the older PAL based AM VSB system. Again 8VSB is not that common out side of the US, I just do not know why 8VSB ever was used in the first place. These issues were always there, that do not affect COFDM and so you are now left with a second rate transmission format for digital television. Grant ???? ?? ?? ?? On Sat, 2019-08-10 at 10:39 -0700, johng@mylinuxisp.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > All these tests with DRM, or iBoc for that matter,?? and the quality > of signal vs bandwidth reminds me of the audio quality available over > a 56K modem, and that's about the same bandwidth although the S/N is > more constant @~35dB max. Good quality mono, marginal stereo. Analog > AM Stereo is not only higher quality and spectrum effecient it is > less of a burden on the airwaves especially skywave. Digital audio's > duty cycle is 100% whereas analog varies following program material. > During iBoc testing some of the larger broadcasters having stations > in neighboring cities with overlapping bandwidths ended up shutting > off iBoc at night because the interference made the digital signal > unreceivable. What good is a daytime only digital signal and one that > doesn't have near the range of analog. Needless to say it was a flop > on AM although it is still used on FM. During adverse reception > conditions DRM or iBoc would probably be more robust if the carrier > used ISB instead of I & Q based QUAM. > > > When it comes to skywave Kahn ISB had the best performance. > Asymmetrical sideband reception doesn't affect its channel separation > to the degree that it affects the other systems. When the channels > are separated by phase in both sidebands separation depends on phase > and amplitude symmetry of the sidebands. When separated by frequency > sideband phasing effects don't compromise separation but will play > out in the acoustic mixing producing a audio phasing effect which is > less objectionable than the additional loss of separation. > > On the subject of digital TV it is true that static areas of the > image only need to be sent once but motion must be updated at the > frame rate allowing a great reduction in the bit rates. Also the eye > is less sensitive to fine detail in motion areas so a lower > resolution image can be sent improving data compression. However this > can be abused and produce low quality images. 10 channels within a > 6mHz channel space of 480i 4:3 or even 16:9 can produce images of > lesser quality than NTSC. At least with analog TV severe quality > cheating is not possible. Also I think that digital TV doesn't have > the range that analog has. Even in fringe signal areas the analog > signal is snowy but still watchable whereas a digital signal would > probably be below the threshold. For the most part moving to digital > TV has been plus but there are some drawbacks vs analog.?? Living > <10mi from most of the TV towers reception should be flawless but > dropouts frequently occur. In difficult terrain areas or moving > vehicles the 8VSB modulation will perform worse that analog, but OFDM > might have better performance over 8VSB in these situations. 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Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:57:41 +0000 X-Received: by smtp429.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 781480511fccd56d78bbd91897c06c06; Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1565560658.7866.47.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:57:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <1565300754.6808.90.camel@yahoo.com.au> <1565462254.5418.35.camel@yahoo.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.201.195.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Information on experiments that were done back in the 2000's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=yGLicI9LWTsDez4BS9CwbFh8Jv_-dY6DVcN7flg5pah6CA X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi John, Here is a link to my web-page on DRM: https://www.qsl.net/zl1wtt/datv.htm#drm *Note, I now have a new type of 12 kHz IF down converter circuit, using a crystal local oscillator, that I can send out if there is any interest? I think that would be a good topic for this forum, what is the best way to transmit AM stereo via sky wave, dual sideband method or the C-QUAM approach? Running a dual sideband system maybe the way to go sending lift and right on it's own side band. As you say this can be done with with a set of two phase shift networks at 0 and 90?? for each sideband.?? If I was going to go with C-QUAM, I would need to add some form self phase correction into the modulation. With the Shortwave bands not been used as they once were, I extend the bandwidth out to 30 kHz with two extra pilot tones at +- 15 kHz. They only need to be about 5% of carrier level, by using three synchronous receivers I could average out the three to get a phase and amplitude reference. It would not be possible to fit pilot tones throughout the audio passband, like with DRM between data carrier blocks. I have a fully working 100 Watt AM broadcast transmitter, based on an I & Q modulator design, so I could shift it up to HF (Shortwave) and do on air testing with AM stereo. Lets try to workout the bast way this could be done first, with minimal path distortion impacting the received signal. As you stated about HD Radio on the AM band, lets now focus on getting AM stereo back on the air, there are lot of C-QUAM modulators out there that can go back in to service. I also had a lot of success with my??adaptive??companda system, it really improves the dynamics of a music stations been received. I am now looking at ways where you can plug this in to a line out or the headphone socket from a AM stereo receiver, that does the extra processing before it goes out to the power amplifier. 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I know with the C-QUAM receivers I have here, at night where there is another radio station on the same frequency, it has a big impact in decoding the local station in stereo. But there is no way you can get around this, due to the limited number of channels available in the broadcast band. I have just order this kit to put together, to try some experiments with:https://www.elenco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/AM-550CK_REV-A.pdf The plan is to recover the I & Q information from the IF amplifier stage, to decoder a QAM data signal. Where this data is encoded on a 10 Hz carrier in two parts, one is for location, time, TX configuration and the other is a 4 bit RDS message system plus callsign. I have an idea how this will work at very low data rates, I was involved with development of Domino EX a few years ago as HF digital mode. Something like this needs be developed, to send navigation information??and audio processing setting to the adaptive receiver, such as the filtering, compandor and pre-emphasis setup. 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Wed, 14 Aug 2019 01:53:35 +0000 X-Received: by smtp415.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 5c816353cc34c3b94c1ef48118b821d4; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 01:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1565747609.19676.28.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:53:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <1565300754.6808.90.camel@yahoo.com.au> <1565462254.5418.35.camel@yahoo.com.au> <1565560658.7866.47.camel@yahoo.com.au> <1565725825.12572.34.camel@yahoo.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.218.140.75 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Information on experiments that were done back in the 2000's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=wHA-4Fw3vsY8egf2oifrkIQdIA8KvCdxcL19D8Bm739dnA X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi John, With DRM you need a lot more linearity then you would with standard AM, if you are using 64 QAM on each data carrier, you will need a lot more headroom. I was using a 300 Watt power amplifier and de-rated it down to 20 watts for DRM transmissions. AMSS transmission in my case will not work, the PSK bandwidth is too wide to work with C-QUAM, so I am limited to DC to a maximum of 20 Hz. So a standard byte based format will not work, I will need go to a nibble based system. If I can get my transmitters within +- 1 Hz, so should everyone else, it is not that hard to do these days. My long term target is to reach +- 1 mHz, with a better oscillator, I have been looking into using a rubidium reference. As for??directly digitizing the RF signal, yes that is where I hope to end up, but for now I can play around a simple hardware test setup. It will let try out many different ideas, I will soon find out what will and will not work. Grant On Tue, 2019-08-13 at 23:56 +0000, johng@mylinuxisp.com [amstereoforum] wrote:> I have briefly looked at some DRM specs.. I gout the impression that > the Q channel is not normally used. A few things mentioned was that > it was designed to be adaptable for existing transmitters which > normally use a crystal oscillator to provide the frequency but this > also can be replaced as is done with an am stereo exciter. I had > forgot about AMSS, RDS for AM, the slow data stream used with it for > normal am transmissions which phase modulates the carrier. This may > preclude using the Q channel depending on how the PM is applied. It > may just amplitude modulate the carrier. I could be wrong though. A > DRM exciter may work the same as an am stereo exciter replacing the > crystal with PM of a QuAM signal. For maximum data throughput and > robustness synchronously detected reduced carrier (-12dB PEP) ISB > should be used. > > Too many stations, poor band planning, a recipe for much > interference. I don't know how bad it is in Canada or Mexico but in > the U.S. skywave overload is a problem. Having a pilot tone to detect > and correct PLL tracking errors can be neutralized using DSP on the I > & Q signals. Envelope based systems like C-QUAM present an issue as > the multiplicative process introduces distortion that wouldn't be > present in a synchronously detected QuAM signal. Synchronous ISB > doesn't loose separation during PLL mis-tracking but audio phasing > can occur which is much less noticeable. > > I built a kit like the Elenco many years ago. I think it was > Marcraft. > > In the U.S. and I assume Canada and Mexico stations are required to > maintain carrier frequency ??20Hz so using any tones below this can be > problematic as co-channel beats can cause falsing.?? Worse case a 40Hz > beat could be present if the desired channel is +20Hz and the co- > channel is -20Hz but this is very unlikely. Motorola choose 25Hz for > the pilot so at least a 20Hz difference in carriers would not false a > pilot detector. > > I will look at Domino EX RDS feature. > > It looks like the most efficient way to create a feature rich > receiver is to use DSP as much as possible, even for IF filtering. I > purchased a rack mount size HD Radio awhile back and inside was a > circuit board about 4"x3" square with a computer processor. For AM it > was probably directly digitizing the RF signal for detection. Analog > video when digitized has ~3x the frequency of the MW band so DSPing > the IF should be an easy task. This would eliminate the need for the > hard to get 450kHz ceramic IF filters with wide enough bandwidth. > > JohnG > > > From johng@mylinuxisp.com Wed Aug 14 11:39:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Sender: johng@mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25948 invoked by uid 102); 14 Aug 2019 18:39:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.224.240) by m17.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2019 18:39:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3832 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2019 18:39:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4000.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.222.143.200) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2019 18:39:44 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: Authentication-Results: mta4000.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; dkim=neutral (no sig) header.i=@mylinuxisp.com; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=@mylinuxisp.com; dmarc=NULL(p=NULL sp=NULL dis=NULL) header.from=mylinuxisp.com; X-Received-SPF: none (domain of mylinuxisp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-YMailISG: hDr8mZMWLDtYCg4FVWZqDDv804Q4s5_3oGblj3FjvMHh_e3w YclWMtltFjX6obs0_2UH7ZdoR_w9bk8YOuLzpNXKJy7evP5m72u9QLvRQnMm 0vNGX5iNzT7UYcZ6R0D.I0d04nDqitw0ZdvHbTPSlmRYdCE_hNht5zFl6rzd bsyy8TXPTBFwU.Cy50k7sWUxrFr3wpF8U0B9yplv3g7CdL9qKB3EBOdojkK6 7rU6aXvUj9DwL8wyztf7gqxQEAoSsEQjImjj1ptvpvEtpX9.jh0ZEhWueB4S KujggCoAE9oIj23BCcSy2YeQMCuklz8kAoqsl5xXrcfKi17IsX.5AJ1scW.w B5GFlt3bscQo9kCw7MktS.WlJw43iB3ymSssIBDqxMufkFYAH.nt_YsBA9Td ssycf8eTn.InHi.TBaI07fQhuzsvdjZL_ZjlXd8tRV9as6lZOq7U_ikNTjGN Uv4AHTcPo2EWArBCWTCeoOjkckY_2cSww3RfByyzaGMFmNMstbzE9uUsw7_C VBOHIfM6z4JOlkqmCRiM7EV7EOH18zdXd1Eb.zyVorkbtxb3Y.Hnyn1gHx3c 2qnkZfSdHhYLckPeANs5G0dX2kEYkwB_SttlHVLV.n5I47ZyJzeka3WYYYgB lCiSH54QD8dcE5HevvDkQnQgB4JytjiQGvDJr2.JbnGdLSSuhwCyU6eoOd2H eRcpZgSFMSRWgDE.Cin_srD2I90drLrMm8CGQ_jRgIgq50pocqPBVGWtzCsH C8DtLxdIkF1YBiyibDR.s0ONS00djJeYBZ.KfukEi0Cl5czr5ua81BTFGBEX y2UDbInBm6E1qhtq4u5L77_2.QeB5C59b3m4htGQ0nm5z6f.d3eAmwo7S9LT 4_WVJ2QYV0BsV_tRkOoMzfdZ7TC7GTkUSGIyDsgvYFzRRBvewFVcKE8hPH1g jLR9X.GN9JZZUoW.7Y61CFooo40S3xQanxqHRF_ymOYOes7cZot_gHs- X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO imta-38.everyone.net) (216.200.145.35) by mta4000.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:39:44 +0000 X-Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x7EIYhr5010686 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:39:39 -0700 X-Eon-Originating-Account: Y7KznsRaEV8GUqQDsprnvn6E8hdlpgP5j90iTxj81kB3PRjiioxEiF7wHZBMfMXa X-Eon-Dm: m0117087.ppops.net X-Received: by m0117087.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac3a6695) id m0117087.5d4cac45.15b192 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:39:38 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQMkrbtdVFVqHKYJPQIAAAAB,6480263ca9d31af3fc4db376718ae5c8 X-Eip: rV-yIDKlVWMxjsJJ3_WCxYfwibSoJ-bVEei4VN5-Zcg To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1565781412.89.24037.m3@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:39:33 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1565781412.89.24037.m3@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2019-08-14_06:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1034 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=943 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1908140164 X-Originating-IP: 10.222.143.200 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 4443 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=580965132; y=qZXI_Rm-O3xnluLejs0rxEo6JTKN7GVz5VIkl32_WDSeQw X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst From: "J. S. Gilstrap" Grant I am having trouble accessing Yahoo Groups through my browser. Has something to do with strict SSL policy and something breaking it. I was able to access your last message via a smartphone browser but the phone is only good for short replies. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter... also seem to be having this problem. It may fix itself. Until then I may be slow to reply. I am sending this through my regular email and not replying through the group page which I prefer and normally do. 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I am using it with a few modifications, such as a deemphasis and a SA571 expander. By using the stereo indicator pin to switch a relay, I can automatically switch out the expander when I am listening standard mono station. If I leave the expander in-line I get the maximum gain on the output, due to the very high level of compression used. The other thing is there is big mismatch between the radio station compressor and expander, which does not sound that good. When I select the frequency I am transmitting on, I hear a click and compandor is automatically activated. If I am receiving a standard AM stereo transmission I have a switch in series with relay coil to drop it out of line. I have been very impressed how simple this process works and how well it all sounds. The next step is to build this into an AM receiver kit to demonstrate what is possible with this technology. I have now fitted out all my transmitters with a compandor stage before C-QuAM encoder, and this will be a default setup from now on. 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The TX set up uses my ADM process done inside a FPGA and amplifier is using Class Q, Quadrature amplification at 100 Watts. On the receiver end I am using a Denon TU-680NAB receiver connected to a Pioneer EX-9000 expander. The test audio files were recorded off air from Zoomer radio on 740 kHz, and from my transmissions on 1480 kHz, via the EX-9000 expander. To compare the two files, I replay the same tracks back through my Compandor process, providing a dynamic range of 40 dB. You will notice a small amount 120 Hz hum on the 1480 kHz recordings, and alignment between the compressor and the expander are very close. In a on air setup I may need drop back the dynamic range to less then the full 40 dB, due background noise. Also note there was a mismatch between the pre-emphasis and the de-emphasis, where the Transmitter is set for 50 uS and the receiver was 75 uS. As I have stated before this is not so important with AM radio, due the IF frequency response in the receiver having a bigger affect. Checkout the test files and compare the two files side by side, and hear what is possible with this transmission process. 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The next steep is have adjustment on the receiver side to move the expansion ratio from 1:1 to a maximum of 2:1. This way you could control your expansion based on the received noise floor. Still very much a work in progress, with more developments to come. 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Wed, 21 Aug 2019 23:40:28 +0000 X-Received: by smtp412.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e7388fec8656eeca40b4dbb5638e34f6; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 23:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1566430823.12328.11.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 19:40:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <1565300754.6808.90.camel@yahoo.com.au> <1565462254.5418.35.camel@yahoo.com.au> <1565560658.7866.47.camel@yahoo.com.au> <1565725825.12572.34.camel@yahoo.com.au> <1565747609.19676.28.camel@yahoo.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.201.195.45 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Information on experiments that were done back in the 2000's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=Uu5r0RPmIaglVntOg5-GPTQ-ZXcB7N6lHiW2cdV7Nbvj_w X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi John, Well that is always the trade off between robustness and data throughput, DRM is no different. Anyway it comes right back where I started, you need to be up around 64 kb/s for one high quality audio stream. This why I have switched to using analog techniques do enable me to do this. As per my last posting with the audio files showing what is still possible with AM stereo, I am not one who likes to listen to over processed audio or poor quality digital encoding. Grant On Tue, 2019-08-20 at 19:18 +0000, johng@mylinuxisp.com [amstereoforum] wrote: > I see that DRM uses either 16 or 64 QAM. There is no middle ground > constellations used like 32QAM. I realize that it is 2??? and 3 > constellations make up 15 bits vs 16 bits but 15 bit uncompressed > audio should be adequate for AM. A far as a compressed stream I don't > know what is involved in converting a 16 bit stream into 15 bit > stream efficiently. This would offer a balance between robustness and > throughput. Also a 32QAM constellation eliminates the 4 corner points > of a square 36QAM constellation providing better S/N efficiency that > 64QAM, occupying most of the circle. Regarding Peak Amplitude vs Min. > Cell Space 16QAM is 2.121, 32QAM is 2.915, and 64QAM is 4.95. The > only constellation arrangement more efficient is an hexagon pattern, > and those usually contain an unusual number of cells for binary data. > It would involve converting bases. If done efficiently there could be > an ~20% improvement over a square constellation. > > As a substitution for AMSS the 4 pilot tones on each side of the > carrier (ISB), on each side of 25 Hz, for a total of 8 that are FSK > for an 8 bit word was my 1st idea. > > As far as TX frequency control, in the U.S. there are NIST time > signals on 2.5, 5, 10, 15, 20, & 25mHz carriers that a station could > lock onto for frequency control. Via skywave there would be no > oscillating beat notes but a mostly static DC phase offset at the > receiver that is much easier to deal with. > > Digitizing the IF seemed like the easiest route since down converting > from all of the SW/MW frequencies via analog would offer good signal > integrity. 450kHz is no big deal to digitize but analog detection of > I & Q as a first step will work well for testing. 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Tue, 27 Aug 2019 01:48:47 +0000 X-Received: by smtp410.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 93292d3d55607e891837a5894196e60e; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 01:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1566870524.15627.47.camel@yahoo.com.au> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 21:48:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <1565899815.26058.34.camel@yahoo.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 10.221.10.34 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo decoder board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211317911; y=9imqmx8nOuLUwThbqRt1IizQMXRyMudpj_Wvf_humxrD-A X-Yahoo-Profile: zl1wtt1 From: Grant Hi Scott, Yes you are right that is the issue, keep it simple as I have stated before, less is more. The key thing is to try new ideas and look at ways to improve technology, the design approach I am using simply does not need a lot of audio pre-processing to start with. As for a whole new set of standards that may or may not happen, that is for others to decide. I am just highlight alternative ways to make improvements and to get better all round performance. That is how I do things, why reinvent the same old technology over and over again? By experimenting with new ideas, this is how new discoveries are made, and therefore applications are then found for this new technology. As for your statement about radios only work with my transmitters, that is simply not true. With the expander system like what I am using, the user can decide to switch it in or out of line, for a standard AM stereo transmission, if there is no 25 Hz pilot it is automatically switch out anyway. I would expect over time AM radio will have some form of data signal encoded, that would provide configuration information to the next generation of broadcast receivers. Another way you could look at this, would be what happened with black and white television when colour came along, the older TV sets were able operate as normal. I am making all my experiments using this??compandor technology public, therefore anyone can use this configuration in there own radio equipment, and like wise any changers made by others would become public as well, this is also known as open source. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=GHG57RlndMshwEs0qDzQjn_N-_5SyaJYimTpACAAmQJYUGtb X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker From: Daniel Piccoli --000000000000e405c5059526321e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a CQUAM group on Facebook Tom. On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 10:29, tom_richard1980@yahoo.com [amstereoforum] < amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > It's ridiculous. They might as well junk Yahoo Groups altogether. I use= d > to run three groups, now I just have one. I moved the others to Facebook > because there's more traffic there. Maybe you can move this one to Facebo= ok > too. >=20 > --000000000000e405c5059526321e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is a CQUAM group on Facebook Tom.

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It's ridiculous.=C2=A0 They might as well junk Yahoo Groups al= together.=C2=A0 I used to run three groups, now I just have one.=C2=A0 I mo= ved the others to Facebook because there's more traffic there. Maybe yo= u can move this one to Facebook too.

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With the work I have done with the adaptive processor circuit, I now looking at using it with FM stereo, there are some common parts to both systems. Where you have R+L & R-L signals that are transmitted that is used to rebuild the Left and Right channels from. With FM stereo crosstalk is an issue, where some of the R-L components can be lost. This is where the stereo image processor can be used to increase the level of the R-L part to off set any crosstalk that may happen between the studio and the receiver. So there will be soon a standalone unit that can be used as 2:1 Compandor and stereo image processor. This will let FM broadcasters have their loud processed sound and be able to be expanded out again for those who would like some dynamic range. In a perfect world we would not need to do this with FM radio as it is possible to pass wide dynamic range with the large deviation used for wide band FM. Unlike with AM radio we need to be above the noise floor, this where adaptive processing comes in to it's own. 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