From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 13:52:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27899 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2010 20:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2010 20:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112014.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.81) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2010 20:52:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9758 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2010 20:52:51 -0000 Message-ID: <12006.9619.qm@web112014.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: oyC7COgVM1kmuAP7kqeYYy.Ocx9zg7tPWN4hg4KsTQYvpUx sSRuVlI6EsdKpNqGeveJyAv6BV0rAggUC3Z2fbmx4Aj.8TCwbUVHPP_GGnPd xH9a1.FB7mtOY1UBxUccBSw2TSv4hqUeipXc5VWocJ19gw4cbOeAU5nz_gzN ejbqqtXCt3K_AZrIaNd6A1Nc8_fGtZx8jOBVn.1Jc.JE_Ceofk.sKYWor_xd mnwFPTLijRrIoGItE0rT40ypPZnmvyVrLMU2bez63KNB3D5YtSgLQ6yrEMWJ huIPDfipyLqQ0OXGLHWnnE7nluvrhz1GWdOW0rn8s2xbCrYg4GCAKBD.zT8s Gggay X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112014.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:52:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <246ad.68fb77f.38f770c9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:52:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <246ad.68fb77f.38f770c9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=JxgKorVURt9hHREK6_xPxck-qGx4mAOcF88CpA7KO_4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW As in what?=A0 NO open frequencies here either for FM.=20 Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: "mjgrant@aol.com" In a message dated 4/14/2010 12:18:17 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > There IS NO FM station locally.=20 I have another word for you.=A0 Opportunity. Mike From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 13:53:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73949 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2010 20:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2010 20:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.84) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2010 20:53:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26700 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2010 20:53:32 -0000 Message-ID: <740345.13886.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EXNKAVoVM1nDbvVAsJoU4w1drPKcEzM6Cs0YmoGccGBES9v r8PlFnlJTX8RgrUA6Hcr2QXPJpcM1q.AiALA6nZp38EsKDHNz3nYmLEF2UgT 3guCOYXxvcbMemdA_mMQrRIWs1fVJi0DN.nTu2ntLcF0tzms8Rt18g3I.Zk2 Mru2k2UrSPcLUz25quCFxv_YqBgIeCXI9FWpGye_bGf2_loRZm06uFhqtyAa 3x2eENJ.OZvAJZMUc6qsb_htf5RyPPOe2umryKA5gWznnTlEH_dTEQwGeQND Weka7NJ6n6QleksiyIIbkTR0Yusq4Lkjvc2G8NNp8zJq06xgX4mF_G0bwORY Y.qg- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:53:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <170ea.1b767e23.38f6803d@aol.com> <839112.94253.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BC619E8.1070109@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:53:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BC619E8.1070109@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=CubnNFfegqhokKRRLzA29DXo5Tau8ju7ZIwBU8SKxbw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I wish WE could have had it..... Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd On 4/14/2010 1:18 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > There IS NO FM station locally. >=A0 =A0=20 I would love to send 106.3 back home! --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 14:57:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2235 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2010 21:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2010 21:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.79) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2010 21:57:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52038 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2010 21:57:46 -0000 Message-ID: <712910.51724.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JAKFx7kVM1nt24luicC84ctsV6B.NGM9TUYmEsvWk1yN2Oz xG15mKgpF_Sndl.MMWNHAgoi2wGIo1sWvrXrP5lYa8j_fv5GWfQ4FQAPMEBC 1v0ep0IG2BfvOAJGrD4_ygNzKtwd_Fot66L1HnOD8S6DP2yWsW51nrPJSbpH qF6Qf6VXp785Rj3VQqS73eZYlh5u9yDrSLcZ1HSRHZUFMh9BARBwzgwwtY8g VQhPhfxAvaHaeAkNeZHN9X5LRAGIwntUsMpALjpXAH7rcxoKpUs4PD4vRXp1 6_Ma1o7VbvmaOVddmCH3ChmfeltdiRFj4.0BOXpHzpIyn1OdGk.RH6THcp21 GEj4- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:57:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:57:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=JRaDiTO3WtqNMv4uWe199jEsU1T0n83cd-QTL3QTaYk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW That was Norm Crosby. Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: ograv31 That guy who used all those malapropism's, Norm Crosley?? From bratina501@msn.com Thu Apr 15 03:36:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40744 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2010 10:36:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2010 10:36:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2010 10:36:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2010 10:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2010 10:34:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:34:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.55.177 From: "nicholas" Subject: AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=MqvNCgdr8o1-n3zEvZPCJnkcPeQP5qDoNcMEqIuGI3gn5dUg2g X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 Recently, the German developed SoDiRa software added AM stereo support to i= ts suite of modes and from the IF samples I am hearing of France Bleu on 86= 4 KHz the stereo decoding seems to be exceptionally accurate and quite func= tional. The software also supports DRM, DCF77, various AM modes, and even F= M stereo including RDS. A fairly cheap SDR or software defined radio does e= xist and is supported by the software which makes it practical. I have yet = to get an SDR receiver which is supported by the software but that should b= e happening soon and when it does, I will try to make some recordings of US= AM stereo broadcasters whenever I get the chance. From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Apr 15 09:10:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72114 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2010 16:10:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2010 16:10:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f221.google.com) (209.85.218.221) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2010 16:10:19 -0000 X-Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1670505bwz.15 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.130.211 with SMTP id u19mr350572bks.41.1271347718708; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (71-32-47-161.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x16sm1176271bku.17.2010.04.15.09.08.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:08:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.221 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=PDCF-3VqQwhYcHOZ2uo5QCOZv8gb2hJ_WF_Hkaz5OTtc_04rXp45 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I get website everything encluding url to sdr that can recieve this? I am so so so so so so so so so so so so interested ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:34 AM Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa Recently, the German developed SoDiRa software added AM stereo support to its suite of modes and from the IF samples I am hearing of France Bleu on 864 KHz the stereo decoding seems to be exceptionally accurate and quite functional. The software also supports DRM, DCF77, various AM modes, and even FM stereo including RDS. A fairly cheap SDR or software defined radio does exist and is supported by the software which makes it practical. I have yet to get an SDR receiver which is supported by the software but that should be happening soon and when it does, I will try to make some recordings of US AM stereo broadcasters whenever I get the chance. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Apr 15 11:40:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97742 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2010 18:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2010 18:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2010 18:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2010 18:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2010 18:40:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:40:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.56 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5eWmEZLlJ9iXr5cNmiAJxqI65AtyPfU02hVwQecfikOdXj3JXw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Try: www.dsp4swls.de/sodira/sodiraeng.html GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > can I get website everything encluding url to sdr that can recieve this? > I am so so so so so so so so so so so so interested > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: nicholas=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:34 AM > Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Recently, the German developed SoDiRa software added AM stereo support = to its suite of modes and from the IF samples I am hearing of France Bleu o= n 864 KHz the stereo decoding seems to be exceptionally accurate and quite = functional. The software also supports DRM, DCF77, various AM modes, and ev= en FM stereo including RDS. A fairly cheap SDR or software defined radio do= es exist and is supported by the software which makes it practical. I have = yet to get an SDR receiver which is supported by the software but that shou= ld be happening soon and when it does, I will try to make some recordings o= f US AM stereo broadcasters whenever I get the chance. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From bratina501@msn.com Thu Apr 15 13:14:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40277 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2010 20:14:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2010 20:14:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2010 20:14:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2010 20:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2010 20:10:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:10:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.55.177 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=b1yDuTGCE0SW4klNO8H9I9Qy7D3AzErtGEQeGigSJStk78yyqA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 A receiver I have been looking at which will work with this program is made= by Elektor in the UK but the catch is its just the PC board which has been= populated with the appropriate components and the user must either provide= a case or be willing to use the radio as just the PC board. Other receiver= s will work with this but they MUST have a 12 KHz IF or intermediate freque= ncy for computer sound card input. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > can I get website everything encluding url to sdr that can recieve this? > I am so so so so so so so so so so so so interested > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: nicholas=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:34 AM > Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Recently, the German developed SoDiRa software added AM stereo support = to its suite of modes and from the IF samples I am hearing of France Bleu o= n 864 KHz the stereo decoding seems to be exceptionally accurate and quite = functional. The software also supports DRM, DCF77, various AM modes, and ev= en FM stereo including RDS. A fairly cheap SDR or software defined radio do= es exist and is supported by the software which makes it practical. I have = yet to get an SDR receiver which is supported by the software but that shou= ld be happening soon and when it does, I will try to make some recordings o= f US AM stereo broadcasters whenever I get the chance. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Apr 15 14:13:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77491 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2010 21:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2010 21:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f221.google.com) (209.85.218.221) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2010 21:13:09 -0000 X-Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1852266bwz.35 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.15.5 with SMTP id i5mr706674bka.182.1271365983303; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (71-32-47-161.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d5sm1448784bkd.1.2010.04.15.14.13.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:12:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.221 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=QR7zlt2qezY-Oljs3CcpzyhiQKk-VEQ3ciOzdcF9-izCHlLTn_p3 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello can I get the url fore the radio? I can get a case no problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:10 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa A receiver I have been looking at which will work with this program is made by Elektor in the UK but the catch is its just the PC board which has been populated with the appropriate components and the user must either provide a case or be willing to use the radio as just the PC board. Other receivers will work with this but they MUST have a 12 KHz IF or intermediate frequency for computer sound card input. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > can I get website everything encluding url to sdr that can recieve this? > I am so so so so so so so so so so so so interested > ----- Original Message ----- > From: nicholas > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:34 AM > Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa > > > > Recently, the German developed SoDiRa software added AM stereo support to its suite of modes and from the IF samples I am hearing of France Bleu on 864 KHz the stereo decoding seems to be exceptionally accurate and quite functional. The software also supports DRM, DCF77, various AM modes, and even FM stereo including RDS. A fairly cheap SDR or software defined radio does exist and is supported by the software which makes it practical. I have yet to get an SDR receiver which is supported by the software but that should be happening soon and when it does, I will try to make some recordings of US AM stereo broadcasters whenever I get the chance. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Thu Apr 15 16:12:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34990 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2010 23:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2010 23:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2010 23:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2010 23:12:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2010 23:12:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:12:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.55.177 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=CXDxmSQuKpgrs_Y5pDiHkDUJtwBOd9vEoGxH5wUCbZQ44E8IlA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 The receiver can be found at this address http://www.elektor.com/magazines/= 2007/may/software-defined-radio.91527.lynkx but if you want to hear example= s of the SoDiRa software before getting an SDR, there are actual IF files r= ecorded from an SDR including France Bleu 864 KHz Paris. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > hello can I get the url fore the radio? I can get a case no problem. > ----- Original Message -----=20 From dud31dud@yahoo.com Thu Apr 15 18:47:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dud31dud@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35196 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2010 01:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2010 01:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2010 01:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2010 01:47:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2010 01:47:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2010 01:47:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:47:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <712910.51724.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.227.158.107 From: "ograv31" Subject: Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=276726813; y=j61RSBYuujQmCTsq5-VOcrRZlBEZlXaMTODUep3E3r4zcBE X-Yahoo-Profile: ograv31 It was a pun on a pun on a pun.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > That was Norm Crosby. >=20 >=20 > Powell > =A0NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: ograv31 >=20 > That guy who used all those malapropism's, Norm Crosley?? > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Apr 15 19:55:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81199 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2010 02:55:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2010 02:55:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2010 02:55:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10361 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2010 02:54:55 -0000 Message-ID: <441588.9678.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lQ90qtkVM1kk.zk_V_DizL5moFaUewAhCSmfvAPU.OVigZ5 XFojgo8z3F4um54zFpi1ZqWO9okemV5slUTG__wSNHIGEopjbIOD_CSoM8x8 ojV.8Ix7jUog7Nthoq2cSUXoa1EqF1nxEjAX.OHqeGPl_Nfk.GPA9UAdpyRc FawL_JDD9.ffiOluAH9pjoiZCPp.zsakMOb5hABZvQI8Efc4aoyAddKV_cWf 7waAPJXYL7PVwjvzOitl2_Z14K2WaY8QCdAtkjrOKjJoE5cAThwGI4NxEn8F ZBJ9ljjRPj4PuWXzv_paiCuexnrYB48LUZpBa4DF2yCIwx_kiWkmPGJead2Y tU7FMKCYk1IpEvFUNfrf.COMf X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:54:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:54:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=lZVF-IyiyO0pqfqLHrKKNdKcrsL-_6AgO9dNFclAucdW8g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He used mala-WHATS? Shame on him! I didn't think people were into drugs bac= k then. =C2=A0G --- On Thu, 4/15/10, ograv31 wrote: From: ograv31 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 9:47 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 It was a pun on a pun on a pun.... --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Powell E. Way III" wro= te: > > That was Norm Crosby. >=20 >=20 > Powell > =C2=A0NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: ograv31 >=20 > That guy who used all those malapropism' s, Norm Crosley?? > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 08:14:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11391 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2010 15:14:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2010 15:14:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2010 15:14:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2010 15:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2010 15:12:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:12:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=aPNJ7Cn3rNduQcLEd10MpNnrIvW4lQoS8Mfkw_q3F3xhqbWm5fxVwBs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Very interesting (he says with an Artie Johnson German accent). BUT, the 12KHz part -does that mean that the radio has to have a 12KHz BAND= WIDTH, or the actual I.F. of the radio has to be 12KHz instead of our stand= ard 450KHz or 455KHz AM I.F. bandwidth? Anybody shed some light? So, you have to have a computer hooked to your rad= io to make it work too?? Lots of questions. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas" wrote: > > The receiver can be found at this address http://www.elektor.com/magazine= s/2007/may/software-defined-radio.91527.lynkx but if you want to hear examp= les of the SoDiRa software before getting an SDR, there are actual IF files= recorded from an SDR including France Bleu 864 KHz Paris. >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > > > hello can I get the url fore the radio? I can get a case no problem. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 20:25:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31953 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2010 03:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2010 03:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2010 03:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2010 03:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2010 03:25:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 03:25:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.133 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM Stereo Exciter Internal Way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HUVfmfMdJvrTROts0NiJ6hVFpFY2j-zjfyC4MeFz_yH9u-wseQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if someone here knows about a noticeable difference between the De= lta Electronics ASE-1 and ASE-2 AM Stereo exciters (C-QUAM of course). The way to produce the C-QUAM signal is slightly different in both devices: 1) The ASE-1 uses two balanced modulators (cancelled carrier modulators) to= both the "I" and "Q" path and, then, it sums the two signal with the 0=BA = carrier (which comes directly from the RF generator stage) to lead it to th= e limiter. This is the same aproach Motorola used in its first original AM = Stereo exciter. 2) The ASE-2 uses only one balanced modulator to the "Q" signal. the other = modulator is an standard AM modulator (carrier plus sidebands). Then the un= it sums the two path and leads it to the limiter. I wonder, Why the difference? Is there some final results issue here? ??? I'll upload the papers about this very soon. Please, patience!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 16 20:34:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66808 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2010 03:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2010 03:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2010 03:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2010 03:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2010 03:31:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 03:31:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.133 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Pp_MzTxhY364624HrmhsZea9yNdVy8mcuC6-ehvsOuYF7J_hvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Good question!!! I've always wondered about this. What does the IF filter bandwith number ex= actly mean? The total full bandwidth from the LSB lower limit to the USB up= per limit? The total maximun bandwidth to each SideBand? Something else? ??= ? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Very interesting (he says with an Artie Johnson German accent). > BUT, the 12KHz part -does that mean that the radio has to have a 12KHz BA= NDWIDTH, or the actual I.F. of the radio has to be 12KHz instead of our sta= ndard 450KHz or 455KHz AM I.F. bandwidth? > Anybody shed some light? So, you have to have a computer hooked to your r= adio to make it work too?? > Lots of questions. > John >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas" wrote: > > > > The receiver can be found at this address http://www.elektor.com/magazi= nes/2007/may/software-defined-radio.91527.lynkx but if you want to hear exa= mples of the SoDiRa software before getting an SDR, there are actual IF fil= es recorded from an SDR including France Bleu 864 KHz Paris. > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > > > > > hello can I get the url fore the radio? I can get a case no problem. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From bratina501@msn.com Fri Apr 16 22:49:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71911 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2010 05:49:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2010 05:49:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2010 05:49:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2010 05:49:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2010 05:49:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 05:49:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.55.177 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=Lj2SwA8BshHOjF9Xjlmnj_-WSB2NNV3vxzQ88pLaA2Q0-8_Sug X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 The actual IF of the radio has to be 12 KHz and some of the so called DRM d= ownmixers might work but I can't guarantee it. And yes, you do have to have= a computer hooked up to the radio in order for it to work as the receiver'= s 12 KHz IF is patched directly into the computer's sound card and after th= is special software is used to filter and demodulate the signals. This mean= s that the receiver is tremendously flexible based on the software being us= ed. The 12 KHz IF is necessary because its within the range of human hearin= g and thus able to be input into the computer's sound card where as a stand= ard 455 KHz IF is way too high in frequency for the card to handle. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Very interesting (he says with an Artie Johnson German accent). > BUT, the 12KHz part -does that mean that the radio has to have a 12KHz BA= NDWIDTH, or the actual I.F. of the radio has to be 12KHz instead of our sta= ndard 450KHz or 455KHz AM I.F. bandwidth? > Anybody shed some light? So, you have to have a computer hooked to your r= adio to make it work too?? > Lots of questions. > John >=20 From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Apr 16 23:50:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30748 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2010 06:50:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2010 06:50:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f193.google.com) (209.85.211.193) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2010 06:50:41 -0000 X-Received: by ywh31 with SMTP id 31so1615359ywh.3 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:50:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.5.1 with SMTP id h1mr5464556ani.161.1271487040707; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (71-32-47-161.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1005367ywh.2.2010.04.16.23.50.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <339A156DD77349ECA1A1F5073C5A673F@mygateway> To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:50:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=gTV1FEPotdDyznDqCL-ZYpGQtqe8kyt7tKWAJrMEo1wnYY1Vl11q X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no kidding I have a soft66 adh and I can't get the damn thing working about to toss mine out the window or cell it I can't figure the stupid thing o the soft66adh tunes 2.1 mhz to 30 mhz recieves drm am fm etcut ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:31 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa =20=20=20=20 Good question!!! I've always wondered about this. What does the IF filter bandwith number = exactly mean? The total full bandwidth from the LSB lower limit to the USB = upper limit? The total maximun bandwidth to each SideBand? Something else? = ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" wrote: > > Very interesting (he says with an Artie Johnson German accent). > BUT, the 12KHz part -does that mean that the radio has to have a 12KHz = BANDWIDTH, or the actual I.F. of the radio has to be 12KHz instead of our s= tandard 450KHz or 455KHz AM I.F. bandwidth? > Anybody shed some light? So, you have to have a computer hooked to your= radio to make it work too?? > Lots of questions. > John >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas" wrote: > > > > The receiver can be found at this address http://www.elektor.com/maga= zines/2007/may/software-defined-radio.91527.lynkx but if you want to hear e= xamples of the SoDiRa software before getting an SDR, there are actual IF f= iles recorded from an SDR including France Bleu 864 KHz Paris. > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrot= e: > > > > > > hello can I get the url fore the radio? I can get a case no problem= . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 17 17:27:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53473 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2010 00:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2010 00:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2010 00:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.90] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100417192613101094900011.0) with SMTP id <20100417192613101094900011> for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:26:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00cf01cade8d$ec022900$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:27:22 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:26:13 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=DUvF2emhFQoOczfUIRJT-tjlhwhqtA93PrB-xGGwBPGVL9EdDxBa X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hate to say this, but only us techno-geeks will really be interested in this. If AM stereo is to have a revival what we need is brain-dead simple receivers which the average Joe and Jane Sixpack can use. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa The actual IF of the radio has to be 12 KHz and some of the so called DRM downmixers might work but I can't guarantee it. And yes, you do have to have a computer hooked up to the radio in order for it to work as the receiver's 12 KHz IF is patched directly into the computer's sound card and after this special software is used to filter and demodulate the signals. This means that the receiver is tremendously flexible based on the software being used. The 12 KHz IF is necessary because its within the range of human hearing and thus able to be input into the computer's sound card where as a standard 455 KHz IF is way too high in frequency for the card to handle. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" wrote: > > Very interesting (he says with an Artie Johnson German accent). > BUT, the 12KHz part -does that mean that the radio has to have a 12KHz BANDWIDTH, or the actual I.F. of the radio has to be 12KHz instead of our standard 450KHz or 455KHz AM I.F. bandwidth? > Anybody shed some light? So, you have to have a computer hooked to your radio to make it work too?? > Lots of questions. > John > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Apr 17 20:16:06 2010 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=33143;u=;t=1271700476;m=1133359304;s=318097209; From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 06:19:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54280 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2010 13:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2010 13:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2010 13:19:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2010 13:19:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2010 13:19:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:19:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: ATTN: WNMB: re: AM Stereo Exciter Internal Way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zw-6Xz7VUom2olfzdV5FA5Kao83V9kdKvrTelkKP9fyIWaykGjmMRec X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Maybe Bill Norman from WNMB will check-in - I think that's what he's used f= or AM stereo at his spectacular station. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if someone here knows about a noticeable difference between the = Delta Electronics ASE-1 and ASE-2 AM Stereo exciters (C-QUAM of course). >=20 > The way to produce the C-QUAM signal is slightly different in both device= s: >=20 > 1) The ASE-1 uses two balanced modulators (cancelled carrier modulators) = to both the "I" and "Q" path and, then, it sums the two signal with the 0= =BA carrier (which comes directly from the RF generator stage) to lead it t= o the limiter. This is the same aproach Motorola used in its first original= AM Stereo exciter. >=20 > 2) The ASE-2 uses only one balanced modulator to the "Q" signal. the othe= r modulator is an standard AM modulator (carrier plus sidebands). Then the = unit sums the two path and leads it to the limiter. >=20 > I wonder, Why the difference? Is there some final results issue here? ??? >=20 > I'll upload the papers about this very soon. Please, patience!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 11:07:39 2010 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=33145;u=;t=1271700947;m=847665802;s=318097209; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 11:18:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23779 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2010 18:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2010 18:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2010 18:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2010 18:15:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2010 18:15:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2010 18:15:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:15:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.53.42 From: "jotape1960" Subject: C-QUAM Vectorgram X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=m5EELm4Fk6SmDHgUfqI2uC2KSDXE4YMTb6OijT3kOvGajdQccA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! =20 Up to me, if we see the C-QUAM AM Stereo system in a "vectorgram" (vector g= raphic), we get something like that: =20 ............................"I" Modulator ............................LSB.......USB ..............................\......./ ...............................\...../ ................................\.../ .................................\./ ..................................| ..................................| ..................................| ..................................| ..................................| ..............................CARRIER 0=BA =20 ................................................LSB ................................................/ .............................................../ ............................................../ ............................................./ "Q" Modulator......CARRIER 90=BA -------------- .............................................\ ..............................................\ ...............................................\ ................................................\ ................................................USB Unfortunately, the Internet mail service text editor doesn't give a better = option to draw it (the angle of the SideBands aren't the real angle), but..= . this is the basic idea. =20 The history is: =20 1) " I " Modulator SideBands have the L+R audio information. =20 2) " Q " Modulator SideBands have the L-R audio information. =20 As we can see: =20 1) The USB from the " I " modulator is added to the LSB from the " Q " modu= lator, giving: L+R+L-R =3D 2L 0R =3D Only Left audio channel. =20 2) The LSB from the " I " modulator is added to the USB from the " Q " modu= lator, but, as it is in counterphase, it is finally a substraction, giving:= L+R-L+R =3D 0L 2R =3D Only Right audio channel. =20 Most of the brilliant brains of this forum can say: "this guy discovered th= e wheel!!!". Well, to be an ignorant and to want to know more isn't a sin s= o... =20 Now, let me ask you something: Am I wrong or it is the same as the original= Kahn ISB AM Stereo system with the audio channels swapped? =20 If I'm wrong and there is something else here I don't know, please, Can som= ebody "light" me? =20 Thanks for your time!!! =20 GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! =20 =20 Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra C-126 Radio Condell AM From Curic=F3, Regi=F3n del Maule, Chile (South America), with a lot of lov= e and hope. From w6yn@juno.com Mon Apr 19 11:47:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34358 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2010 18:47:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2010 18:47:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2010 18:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABF63KJZATSV2JS for (sender ); Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:46:47 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3fTcd1P1EYfoREKESM8uac= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id QBWDBT9K; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:46:04 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.31] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:46:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:46:02 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100419.114602.12584.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 163 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3923255801 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=6VelJji0NlB9l-s3YDJunPnY466GPrWi3fEMUexK9w X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Lakeland, Florida area WJWB (700) is for sale.=20=20 Includes two TuneTracker System Station-in-a-box radio automation systems.= =20 The asking price is $50,000. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 19 13:23:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99108 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2010 20:23:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2010 20:23:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2010 20:23:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32991 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2010 20:23:32 -0000 Message-ID: <762885.31027.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: zoYhjH8VM1misUovRXoe3FjIlBCKXklM5MbsEI68VyQjj9m vyAqlVqbwkvnPSEpHSlbEqfQFQu3aMZ2bRO9HHA6m22b22C7Pnw9i.Dp9qQK d8WCapRSmVOQKiML1OHJRNij9IW4LQwD.AJGqZSzOTYWuiVBcOhzOuO_vOg8 jrsik3XaP71NqJ0rj_8_VBm7hl4sxes8u4WKUKmgPNb_hLnhRslW0GMhMZCh auzOGmuou427ucToDIhPJ6f3sJDGKvlC8r4MdKwgjhgJ3Ngt8ApgoNlL2sEu vxkMxZJHfo7RF0IE0b3gn5nzbnKWpupAX0wfPRwMRmtfKdfxmJtOKo0gSPkc K3MpoP1Rbzo9NPSehy.yGVNjn X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:23:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:23:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20100419.114602.12584.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=jx8MO10jq8Y-ym9vC_6q6lAIi6L1X7hP8nITbyI4_odZHz7KUqXJ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's a C.P. that expires at the end of the month.=C2=A0 I don't think anyon= e can build it in 11 days.=C2=A0 I wish Chuck Harder (the nutso host of "Fo= r The People" who files for all of these C.P.s & tries to sell them) would = quit doing this. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 4/19/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 2:46 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Lakeland, Florida area WJWB (700) is for sale.=20=20 Includes two TuneTracker System Station-in-a- box radio automation systems.= =20 The asking price is $50,000. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Apr 19 16:48:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13678 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2010 23:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2010 23:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2010 23:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3JNmoNG003454 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:48:50 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.deb.32fd30e (55761) for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:48:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-md05.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD052-d9d14bccebddcd; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:48:45 -0400 Message-ID: <988ac.7b4f1010.38fe45dd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:48:45 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.197 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=e8MpCCP9GCDiSNKI5e2NwI3kZyjj1ReSZov8lC18HTFAFgUqcIln8M_NkNexrjHg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/2010 1:47:41 PM Central Daylight Time, w6yn@juno.com writes: > Lakeland, Florida area WJWB (700) is for sale. > > Includes two TuneTracker System Station-in-a-box radio automation systems. > > > The asking price is $50,000. > That is not a bad price at all. With some dial advantage and 2.5kW into a 6-tower array, it probably has decent coverage along its two lobes. Although Lakeland isn't a major market, it isn't exactly in the boonies, either. Plenty of potential listeners. Two questions. Is the transmitter, antenna array, building, and land included? Aren't they stepping on WLW at night? I know WLW used to cover Florida at night, all the way down to Miami. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Apr 19 16:53:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99812 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2010 23:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2010 23:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2010 23:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3JNqeeq023847 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:52:41 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e31.2d7ff2d (34892) for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:52:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA011-884c4bccecc7203; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:52:39 -0400 Message-ID: <98c59.76840d97.38fe46c7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:52:39 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.197 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OTDPP2ETtBzKpoGLs2OM999EdNwfh2guFZUpRf-UhgedMEZvmKGH7dDh2Sai34aA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/2010 3:23:40 PM Central Daylight Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > I wish Chuck Harder (the nutso host of "For The People" who files for all > of these C.P.s & tries to sell them) would quit doing this. > Is this guy selling a radio station or a construction permit? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Mon Apr 19 19:05:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83531 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2010 02:05:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2010 02:05:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2010 02:05:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2010 02:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2010 02:05:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 02:05:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <353433.97025.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.55.177 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KLOG status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=oJYd5_RK5RbM-DZqVaKsWYzOUPLqb7mKOsw9EDUMxOuhy28PlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I am sorry to say that as of 2005 KLOG 1490 Longview Washington is NOT in s= tereo anymore. They are mono only and their original studios are being used= for 101.5 The Wave which is on a former low power translator that now play= s classic rock. This is also heard on KUKN 105.5 HD2 which started up in th= e fall of last year. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > He confirmed KLOG is in stereo.=C2=A0 He talked to the station.=C2=A0 So,= that's one we can add back to the lists! >=20 > Jay >=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Apr 20 08:36:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70552 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2010 15:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2010 15:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f51.google.com) (209.85.160.51) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2010 15:36:47 -0000 X-Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so3843370pwj.38 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.39.40 with SMTP id r40mr5712611waj.183.1271777806337; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm1905312yxh.68.2010.04.20.08.36.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BCDCA0E.2020605@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:36:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20100419.114602.12584.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20100419.114602.12584.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=NuSzyFWxd5AFRDZnLXoFf3b-1Oq9xO5SEddDtQVk4EnEBoA2DH48ro8Ejf6XrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/19/2010 2:46 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Lakeland, Florida area WJWB (700) is for sale. > > Includes two TuneTracker System Station-in-a-box radio automation systems. > > The asking price is $50,000. > This is a WORTHLESS Construction Permit that expires at the end of this Month. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Apr 20 11:21:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5937 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2010 18:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2010 18:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2010 18:21:32 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3KILPsm012387 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:21:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bbc.62240f06 (44670) for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m18.mail.aol.com (magic-m18.mail.aol.com [172.21.136.206]) by cia-mc02.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC021-ae7e4bcdf0a23dd; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:21:22 -0400 Message-ID: <5138.359e46b8.38ff4aa2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:21:22 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.136.206 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6S8LaN2-gkjcSxNKjccUv9U5DLqHLi6hv1QpQHGt48HeCcqqDsIj2x0axO0mbyIw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/20/2010 10:36:57 AM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > This is a WORTHLESS Construction Permit that expires at the end of this > Month. > What? This guy was trying to sell a soon to expire construction permit and there is no station? What a gyp! With apologies to gypsies, of course. What would keep someone from using the technical information from his CP application, already accepted by the FCC, and using it to submit their own? That would be an expensive station, plant-wise, to build. A six tower array with sufficient height to meet Class II field requirements at 700 khz wouldn't be cheap nowadays. Did the venerable WLW lose its nightime co-channel frequency protection? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 15:02:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30019 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2010 22:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2010 22:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2010 22:01:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36791 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2010 22:01:59 -0000 Message-ID: <316846.36705.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9_xyCM8VM1l5JW3ykMJdPWASPuQhiHo28hlCSvA3aM_hw4d 5ROYXrHcfvK7GslD9ihpO7aErHmaNx9wD17_0y.PzXq8FBxNPV.z8FACK1ZJ 0c2gwphrufAXRYYQz6iBuan4IHVnRGU2OkYCsm5T.diUzvud_.YrEMky5S61 MkhSgLtfODDHA_mmBcJcVHEAr9cq1V8_aRwtKZq8gvm2XTIEtkQSwntYEYjN f43iIoNQwXlObHkakjQRQff5ibPqMoHzsq79LmAQkrfQXmLusW2kT3pj7xx5 A6rY8qfMxdp3dZy99KgLOuljjlq9AyyxWT64gOvPodIs8Y8_nz4rNZkHU1mt XVMzuLoYi3MSPbPjtpk0O06sTMahrDnAmnpc- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:01:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:01:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BCDCA0E.2020605@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=S-tDowcSCNShgEosnmnDjuUF1uFWMBYNMgUPAT-aIo4tNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Selling hollow CPs? =C2=A0Did this guy go to school on Wall Street? =C2=A0O= r is his name Haney?Ah, the fruits of de-regulation...G --- On Tue, 4/20/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 11:36 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 4/19/2010 2:46 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Lakeland, Florida area WJWB (700) is for sale. > > Includes two TuneTracker System Station-in-a- box radio automation system= s. > > The asking price is $50,000. >=20=20=20=20 This is a WORTHLESS Construction Permit that expires at the end of this=20 Month. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Apr 20 22:47:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49000 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2010 05:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2010 05:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2010 05:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W18 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:47:42 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 05:47:41 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <316846.36705.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4BCDCA0E.2020605@gmail.com>,<316846.36705.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2010 05:47:42.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[28A25DA0:01CAE116] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.160 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=5m53d0Ve1BpQPn7sYrKApnLxV8A4OcW9dLt5BGOLptsMpRAkOdsfLHtdKRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From Monday's Tom Taylor radio column (19 Apr 2010): =20 Lakeland, Florida area WJWB (700) is for sale, says equipment vendor TuneTr= acker. It emails this note around =96 =93We have received word from one of = our broadcasters that, due to a hardship situation, he must sell his AM lic= ense. Also two TuneTracker System Station-in-a-box radio automation systems= .=94 TuneTracker=92s Dana Scott says =93the broadcast license must be purch= ased within 24 days and the asking price is $50,000.=94 WJWB is licensed to= Gibsonia, Florida, with 2.5-kw daytime at 700, and 250 watts when the star= s are twinkling. Sure enough, a trip to the WJWB website shows a coverage m= ap, says the Gibsonia station =93could be moved=94, and that broker Frank B= oyle is the contact. The licensee is People=92s Network. --------------------- WLW is one of the few clear channel stations that comes in well in Florida,= since for whatever reason, it's one of the few frequency w/o a strong Cuba= n presence/signal.=20=20 =20 Hall's Communications out of Pennsylvania pretty well owns the Lakeland mar= ket with a country fm that usually shows up in the Orlando ratings as well = as the Lakeland ratings and an FM rock station, a conservative talk station= (Rush etc) and a "nostalgia/oldies/pop station on the AM band. WQYK AM ou= t of Seffner , FL (CBS owned at 1010 kc) has a sports format and puts a goo= d signal into Lakeland day and night and Salem's 910 AM Plant City (11 mil= es west of Lakeland) Preach and Teach format puts a good signal into the La= keland area day and night as well. =20 Guess the station could be a 2nd tier talk format or brokered programming. = Most Tampa and Orlando stations come in well in Lakeland during the day. =20 This would be an expensive proposition with the 6 tower array not to mentio= n the fact that the existing AM stations in the area all some to be struggl= ing. =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: wlx1430@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:01:59 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale =20=20 Selling hollow CPs? Did this guy go to school on Wall Street? Or is his n= ame Haney?Ah, the fruits of de-regulation...G --- On Tue, 4/20/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 11:36 AM =20 On 4/19/2010 2:46 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Lakeland, Florida area WJWB (700) is for sale. > > Includes two TuneTracker System Station-in-a- box radio automation system= s. > > The asking price is $50,000. >=20 This is a WORTHLESS Construction Permit that expires at the end of this=20 Month. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Apr 21 04:03:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 243 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2010 11:03:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2010 11:03:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173017pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.17) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2010 11:03:02 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252; reply-type=original X-Received: from RDW ([unknown] [96.228.140.43]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1800HY640N0PD2@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:02:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <4BCDCA0E.2020605@gmail.com>, <316846.36705.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:02:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.17 From: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Although the website indicates "Tampa Bay", the station really would need to be moved further to the west to provide an adequate signal to all of Tampa and St. Petersburg. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" To: "am stereo" Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:47 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale From Monday's Tom Taylor radio column (19 Apr 2010): Lakeland, Florida area WJWB (700) is for sale, says equipment vendor TuneTracker. It emails this note around – “We have received word from one of our broadcasters that, due to a hardship situation, he must sell his AM license. Also two TuneTracker System Station-in-a-box radio automation systems.” TuneTracker’s Dana Scott says “the broadcast license must be purchased within 24 days and the asking price is $50,000.” WJWB is licensed to Gibsonia, Florida, with 2.5-kw daytime at 700, and 250 watts when the stars are twinkling. Sure enough, a trip to the WJWB website shows a coverage map, says the Gibsonia station “could be moved”, and that broker Frank Boyle is the contact. The licensee is People’s Network. --------------------- WLW is one of the few clear channel stations that comes in well in Florida, since for whatever reason, it's one of the few frequency w/o a strong Cuban presence/signal. Hall's Communications out of Pennsylvania pretty well owns the Lakeland market with a country fm that usually shows up in the Orlando ratings as well as the Lakeland ratings and an FM rock station, a conservative talk station (Rush etc) and a "nostalgia/oldies/pop station on the AM band. WQYK AM out of Seffner , FL (CBS owned at 1010 kc) has a sports format and puts a good signal into Lakeland day and night and Salem's 910 AM Plant City (11 miles west of Lakeland) Preach and Teach format puts a good signal into the Lakeland area day and night as well. Guess the station could be a 2nd tier talk format or brokered programming. Most Tampa and Orlando stations come in well in Lakeland during the day. This would be an expensive proposition with the 6 tower array not to mention the fact that the existing AM stations in the area all some to be struggling. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: wlx1430@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:01:59 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale Selling hollow CPs? Did this guy go to school on Wall Street? Or is his name Haney?Ah, the fruits of de-regulation...G --- On Tue, 4/20/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 11:36 AM On 4/19/2010 2:46 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Lakeland, Florida area WJWB (700) is for sale. > > Includes two TuneTracker System Station-in-a- box radio automation > systems. > > The asking price is $50,000. > This is a WORTHLESS Construction Permit that expires at the end of this Month. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Apr 21 06:36:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96446 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2010 13:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2010 13:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f54.google.com) (74.125.83.54) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2010 13:36:16 -0000 X-Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18so1191503gwj.41 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:36:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.20.3 with SMTP id 3mr19515789ant.147.1271856975389; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm2680388gxk.8.2010.04.21.06.36.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BCEFF49.3060404@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:36:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4BCDCA0E.2020605@gmail.com>,<316846.36705.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=4_b7VAZEktZHcjOxO-uXBrjkiXwPaJ-enYUum0HclfUSwn6a07Jfdm5EJ8O3TA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/21/2010 1:47 AM, Donn Tillman wrote: > > From Monday's Tom Taylor radio column (19 Apr 2010): > > > > Lakeland, Florida area WJWB (700) is for sale, says equipment vendor TuneTracker. There is nothing but scrub brush where the tower site is supposed to be off of I-4. The CP expires May 1 of 2010. Chuck Harder, the owner of the CP is an IDIOT. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 22 05:47:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1481 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2010 12:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2010 12:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2010 12:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2010 12:42:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2010 12:42:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:42:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jfgSr6FrSWg5JqyKU3BR8pIRYPj-e323dETF4dPAvIrom9miAcd7Nyc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The only signal on 700KHz that worth (over) $50K is 50KW WLW. How it could be licensed for night power over 3 or 4 watts is beyond me. Now a single Omnidirectional tower with 10KW on the X-band would be worth i= t (with AM stereo of course)! From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 22 14:08:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70387 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2010 21:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2010 21:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2010 21:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3ML7jAP007765 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:07:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dd9.3b1db32 (44000) for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:07:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d16.mail.aol.com (magic-d16.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.132]) by cia-dd07.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD071-abe04bd0ba9c1da; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:07:40 -0400 Message-ID: <5d409.397dfec9.3902149c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:07:40 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.132 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VxikAX8i8FEyDi3Bc45zeYI_6Ba3pxLxluDsjMNAq3SR9-UVG-op3loZwlsJr09m X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/22/2010 7:47:39 AM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Now a single Omnidirectional tower with 10KW on the X-band would be worth > it (with AM stereo of course)! > > Your omnidirectional "tower" would be height of a pencil. I don't care what kind of pattern they run at night, I think the station itself is within WLW's secondary skywave service area. Who's minding the store over at the FCC? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Apr 22 17:28:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98951 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 00:28:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 00:28:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 00:28:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.132] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100422192813101533200011.0) with SMTP id <20100422192813101533200011> for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:28:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00ee01cae27c$100d2740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <5d409.397dfec9.3902149c@aol.com> X-Source-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:29:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:28:13 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5IF_ubSNnuCbq_VVhGo9axT8XUxww1PBV2mb3saY78BO3EyjPi0q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's all politicians and lawyers now. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale In a message dated 4/22/2010 7:47:39 AM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Now a single Omnidirectional tower with 10KW on the X-band would be worth > it (with AM stereo of course)! > > Your omnidirectional "tower" would be height of a pencil. I don't care what kind of pattern they run at night, I think the station itself is within WLW's secondary skywave service area. Who's minding the store over at the FCC? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Apr 22 20:52:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22241 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 03:52:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 03:52:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 03:52:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80476 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2010 03:52:47 -0000 Message-ID: <275603.79997.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: waZrOFsVM1lXHL3pMZsAcPwrpXcCnsFm6ZPxQDzYVXQSUnO 9Ejf9VLA_JOCp90QgCIJzvemL7Hv34PAoU.Ot9wtr0XaHfDnPEGvM4jLHhsb 3kdodXlpwcpASuOSqMoBvastnsAGmga2A.oYEAezTRsdZco2o6e.brfwQxde 1ZxhBmjvVMn1jzaU.JZod1D8dcPHeC_4a8PCrP8pzPBsKXiHpH1uHqPEKq7L kmxab.BuhdrYS840SNqWa88pd3_3F.B.t8y28pHfL8CXGA5CzLc.stJ8qVYw 7__oGcObDt8hPo7RmNkY6acPCHtQ6LXyrIEQs8efu5LegcwmuubLvz6gm4SZ Nr1jBOmXLvu4qk6yfOAmstHMQMfYDpmBk.1flg0oaDi0- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:52:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:52:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=kIpjy7XnMUBHHZirOFxM-Wh_q93BkLQ4g2i6uUjcHrhAzA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was a time when I figured WLW was worth several million, but consider= ing the BS I've heard on them lately, I might disagree with you on the $50k= value! =C2=A0Just my opinion, but it seems like such a waste of a flame-th= rower to fill it with tedious inane talk talk TALK!=C2=A0I've even done par= odies of Bill Cunningham (as "Cunningpork)" and could probably beat his rat= ings with them. =C2=A0Anybody wanna buy a Loddy Potty Turbo-Turdmaster 2000= ? (Made in Flushing, New York, of course)=C2=A0I bet Powel Crosley turns in= his grave sometimes...G=C2=A0 --- On Thu, 4/22/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 8:42 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 The only signal on 700KHz that worth (over) $50K is 50KW WLW. How it could be licensed for night power over 3 or 4 watts is beyond me. Now a single Omnidirectional tower with 10KW on the X-band would be worth i= t (with AM stereo of course)! =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 22 22:49:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44286 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 05:49:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 05:49:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 05:49:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3N5nPgp006928 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 01:49:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d93.5ef74ca (37074) for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 01:49:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d17.mail.aol.com (magic-d17.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.133]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB058-90d24bd134e23db; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 01:49:22 -0400 Message-ID: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 01:49:22 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.133 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wYtZzDg0VEzvyUZc8G87hDSit-1GlFUqBp1BtMsqHNuXkLOQBq_4Xbw5acdkZT1f X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/22/2010 10:53:05 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > There was a time when I figured WLW was worth several million In 1960, KXOK, a 5kW full time directional regional station on 630 khz in St. Louis, was purchased by Storz Broadcasting for $2.5 million. WLW is a 50kW Class IA dominant clear channel station and most likely the top station in Cincinnati and has been since the day it sign on the air some eight decades ago. Now, how much do you think it is worth? However, I agree with you about the programming. Just go out to the car some night and tune up and down the AM dial. There was an obscure movie some years ago called "Brazil" about a futuristic society. No matter where one tuned on the dial, the song "Brazil" was playing. That day has come for AM radio. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 23 07:19:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2859 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 14:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 14:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 14:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 14:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 14:19:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:19:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=XToE1dxDiidvH6XuK_L7PpHA1GTypo6psVZQY9UCdo8DKfuJythvrwI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The only AM stations I enjoy anymore are those that play music, so that lim= its me to WSM, KCJJ (until the Ohio DOT put a POS traffic info station on t= hat frequency!) and a local, WCWA, that plays real live on-air request oldi= es Saturday mornings from 6am-noon via brokered programming from two radio/= music lovers (www.wcwa.com)! Wonder if WLW is going to try going to the "NEW" and improved HD so that th= eir analog can go back to 10.2KHz again? I agree, the FCC is full of lawyers looking to grab spectrum to sell for Wi= Fi networks, that will cost you money, while radio is still free. I'm worri= ed the ham frequencies are in jeopardy too with this FCC full of fools. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Apr 23 07:32:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97185 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 14:32:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 14:32:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f203.google.com) (209.85.211.203) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 14:32:38 -0000 X-Received: by ywh41 with SMTP id 41so5208093ywh.9 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:32:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.2.19 with SMTP id e19mr113789ani.195.1272033155661; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm570795gxk.8.2010.04.23.07.32.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BD1AF7E.7010303@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:32:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.203 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=KDUAo7v-ep0VYdgQ56nUt19iVuABnXSfDhqZg-4KGda9hlZWC1vgve7Lo6LsTA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/23/2010 10:19 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > The only AM stations I enjoy anymore are those that play music, so that limits me to WSM, KCJJ (until the Ohio DOT put a POS traffic info station on that frequency!) and a local, WCWA, > I greatly enjoy WKDK 1240. They even stream online at http://www.wkdk.com/ -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 23 07:40:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59570 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 14:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 14:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 14:39:46 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.81] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100423093931102640200011.0) with SMTP id <20100423093931102640200011> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:39:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> X-Source-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:40:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:39:31 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Oo1lLfQ2855S8ws6jsyURQT0CVNGe590e3iW1ks4du62hQMolthw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it weren't for talk radio there wouldn't BE much of an AM band right now. Not that FM is all that much better- being dominated by Madonna, Phil Collins and a mere handful of other mega-artists. If radio is going to change it'll be up to folks like us getting rich enough to buy a decent sized station or two and show the rest of the world how it should be done. Unfortunately for some on this list it means becoming a bit of a capitalist to actually earn the dough; then there's the new administration with all their taxes to take it away, but I digress. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale However, I agree with you about the programming. Just go out to the car some night and tune up and down the AM dial. There was an obscure movie some years ago called "Brazil" about a futuristic society. No matter where one tuned on the dial, the song "Brazil" was playing. That day has come for AM radio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Apr 23 07:59:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91325 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 14:59:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 14:59:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web180410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.15.92) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 14:59:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45073 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2010 14:59:07 -0000 Message-ID: <49301.44919.qm@web180410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tMCOtiAVM1maGVDjRHEXNsQLfeVwCWleCqeGj.clCduoC7N 3DPk6.YfTvOhFnY0kx3DzFdDzPFQRps8bqGSlo6a0Il4.TDSa.Ysy1cNeQg4 Tb7pYegZu_a7w4cbzlCVYJCpnNjA6MyCqpMfoWBsrpkY34IvdrJAxd_YQDr8 5MDniTL3uLcYZXLGw1m55myNxArScY84BmHrG6O3TeDGJkWFPipv69NPqmu7 3VQtJMoX0UM_vAk0x8HtsgKaz2mulBtdEM6wcmTdcIBmJuHEsTyG4RbM7JAN 2KE48bj0UMm2.WTdvuvL4pqtB61snCOahzaHoCKD1enKh1jT7yYRKFc1PLhy nvA-- X-Received: from [64.56.91.45] by web180410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:59:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 References: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:59:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.15.92 From: Juan Gualda Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=y96B-6D2k06qSOiDA2jGXozF5FEMjzd0yfD3D04woeSHKBk X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ________________________________ =A0=20 ................"Unfortunately for some on this list it means becoming a bi= t of a capitalist to actually earn the dough; then there's the new administ= ration with all their taxes to take it away, but I digress." Scott =A0 =A0 =A0 Mega dittos !! Yes indeed....................An excellent example of the ty= pe of crap on AM Radio. THIS is why it is dying.... =A0 Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 23 08:11:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23521 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 15:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 15:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 15:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.81] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100423101044100944500011.0) with SMTP id <20100423101044100944500011> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:10:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <000b01cae2f7$5ab39b00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> <49301.44919.qm@web180410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Source-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:12:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:10:44 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GvGIQBBxkOizbdLuBRkQ3fmtp05Knm2h-pvh7LN-sGFNT_uGu24o X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So you're expecting to just be given a station because you have such great ideas? Or somehow current station owners have to be forced to do something different? Get real. Especially in the latter case, if they don't have the heart to do the sort of thing you want done whatever they may be forced to do in that direction will be so half-assed it'll never get the support it needs to survive, which is why you need to get rich enough to buy your own station(s). But since you don't believe in capitalism it's a rather moot point. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale ________________________________ ................"Unfortunately for some on this list it means becoming a bit of a capitalist to actually earn the dough; then there's the new administration with all their taxes to take it away, but I digress." Scott Mega dittos !! Yes indeed....................An excellent example of the type of crap on AM Radio. THIS is why it is dying.... Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Apr 23 08:18:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54676 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 15:18:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 15:18:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n63.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.33) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 15:18:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n63.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 15:18:05 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.9.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 15:18:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.27.217] by t3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 15:18:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp127.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 15:18:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 88437.7668.bm@omp127.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87678 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2010 15:18:04 -0000 Message-ID: <157132.86982.qm@web180405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FbYwNgEVM1mDoRFtxSIzWy9a_Z.qysq89321d5eYZJ7cgXY JQ3XD0eZbPn56kXzinKXLsc7XaErOBj583IqrON8On6xoc9.4PXsphOprOVD oVoI8H.3aFupZa02Y39gi5THoQyPhH4fL5DG4a_IIxBqzbQyKkLCFawm1._e eAKfQZOx6de5U6nJU1k.uWkIOnoX9vg_sf7N7dM7ZrI0j1yT_gp6TBb9QUoi Mnj6yiKx2pz05V4pTS4la65NOUz_bep2TYPnCgIcWth137.PjiSPx2hHMnZO jXVDOlSiR6T1nmMcw0_DtanTHj2QhsCI9Meu35P_.zTJuoUE67t4cfhOxGQ- - X-Received: from [64.56.91.45] by web180405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:18:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 References: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:18:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Juan Gualda Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=_BTEs_pGh8AiBPXWX2K2ZGk583ca2cZMUywRgg-lJifC8KA X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ________________________________ =A0=20 ..................................."then there's the new administration wit= h all their taxes to take it away, but I digress." Scott =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Scott.... =A0 =A0 Please tell us about these "new taxes" that for some reason, I have not hea= rd about, and how they will keep us from buying Radio Stations. =A0 I guess I am in a different tax bracket from you, but for some strange reas= on, my taxes have actually gone down. Yes, down. =A0 Could you take some time out of your busy day to give an example ? =A0 Maybe I need a new accountant, or maybe I need to start watching Fox News. =A0 Just wondering=A0=A0 :-) =A0 =A0 =A0 Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 23 08:30:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60886 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 15:30:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 15:30:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 15:30:39 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.81] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100423103000100520100011.0) with SMTP id <20100423103000100520100011> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:30:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001e01cae2fa$0bc5e360$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> <157132.86982.qm@web180405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Source-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:31:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:30:00 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=TXVJ5rETBwVqFQJ0wOsGDkhDZNkMDuK4ijwKlzElFEHdrGv1gCPR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wait til 2011, bro, cause what you've seen now ain't gonna last. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale ________________________________ ..................................."then there's the new administration with all their taxes to take it away, but I digress." Scott Scott.... Please tell us about these "new taxes" that for some reason, I have not heard about, and how they will keep us from buying Radio Stations. I guess I am in a different tax bracket from you, but for some strange reason, my taxes have actually gone down. Yes, down. Could you take some time out of your busy day to give an example ? Maybe I need a new accountant, or maybe I need to start watching Fox News. Just wondering :-) Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Apr 23 08:44:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17584 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 15:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 15:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web180404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.15.86) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 15:44:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72629 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2010 15:44:15 -0000 Message-ID: <17072.72146.qm@web180404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1eWseGQVM1lVNeyuqRj5t6PWV79wtaeTTEdqionrYatDNKZ riT3Aa3_0Ybv9RYooqxW_MsMCWo0QZRM7OIpdU28xPKK1K06Kw8mMg3WT_Zk iaK2tebK4pwdXpTLAbhkSFU9ohUS_FsEwaiSDbxQ_sr.2FcV8Y2ES8ucz4KT mKlXEhuWnO0HuubZdija2hPwpA5YIILl5dUQk2NG5gg0S8ie3qHX.I_hKTQP aP_HdkO1_xIOCn4vILnaM_ghSo6pUJwWHa.tfk6mKCVjYd6AWjY2D8UAXrtB ynzX7DqUrUgBR5dB4m6XDkglFuMjbNERs0OmdTNU5n1JZWxx687TAXYBZRb0 5Itl9ziz_U0N3zve1qrPxuaxZ00MtdKTVy40- X-Received: from [64.56.91.45] by web180404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:44:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 References: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> <49301.44919.qm@web180410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000b01cae2f7$5ab39b00$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:44:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000b01cae2f7$5ab39b00$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.15.86 From: Juan Gualda Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=G77DoUGEVeTInIsL3Bd9frdRIOkj9-OAUOqDaTLpKytpKsE X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, Easy there.... I was simply stating in my opinion, why AM radio is dying. I am a capitalis= t, and I have worked for everything I own. When you turn the dial on AM here, you hear a couple of=C2=A0average statio= ns, and two of them carry right wing shows I don't care for, but they are d= oing ok, but as a radio insider, I also know they are barely making a profi= t, and the ones here that are making a profit are ethnic and brokered. Actu= ally, one of the Talk stations that carries Rush is losing money, but they = keep Rush because they don't want the other station to have him. I actually= hear more local ads on Hannity here. I think this is because the station a= ctually sells it, and the Clear Channel station treats the AM like it isn't= there. There is a Catholic station that (I assume) is payed for by the Church, as = I hear very little local content. I wonder how it does, as the Church needs= all the good PR it can take, so maybe this isn't even an issue. AM Radio (and FM for that matter) have already lost the younger demos, and = the horse is already out of the barn.=20 AM Stereo is dead, and it isn't coming back. Reality hurts, but it is what = it is. God bless the small market stations, that still give people a reason to lis= ten, and maybe some of the "big boys" can learn a thing or two from them. People need a reason to listen to radio, and sadly a lot of operators have = forgotten this. Reagrding this AM construction permit...anybody who has enough money to was= te on putting an AM on the air, when there are what seems like dozens going= silent, is an idiot, and If he wants to waste his money, I can think of be= tter ways than that.=20 Juan =C2=A0 ________________________________ From: "scottn0bst@usfamily.net" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 11:10:44 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale =C2=A0=20 So you're expecting to just be given a station because you have such great = ideas? Or somehow current station owners have to be forced to do something = different? Get real. Especially in the latter case, if they don't have the = heart to do the sort of thing you want done whatever they may be forced to = do in that direction will be so half-assed it'll never get the support it n= eeds to survive, which is why you need to get rich enough to buy your own s= tation(s). But since you don't believe in capitalism it's a rather moot poi= nt. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Juan Gualda=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale ____________ _________ _________ __ ............ ...."Unfortunate ly for some on this list it means becoming a = bit of a capitalist to actually earn the dough; then there's the new admini= stration with all their taxes to take it away, but I digress." Scott Mega dittos !! Yes indeed...... ......... .....An excellent example of the = type of crap on AM Radio. THIS is why it is dying.... Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Apr 23 08:50:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56037 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 15:50:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 15:50:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n66.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.50) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 15:50:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n66.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 15:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.9.82] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 15:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.27.218] by t2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 15:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp128.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 15:49:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 236275.82687.bm@omp128.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 99319 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2010 15:49:41 -0000 Message-ID: <159364.99269.qm@web180414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 80CHB80VM1leqOG.EYVzWNP_qACYXY0m89zkNrzD2dBuR_j Aalx6nBf7.LFfNGjgarnO3mnNh0y2I2AxsvgkhcBFAOkm9x_OEew7bq0SFp_ V41I6qU3T1Mvqpg5eYhXZgb6mff_I0cXNnjOa5RBS5QdnG4iT8Kph3UK0CZH oF1oKSE8z2iRszpYc5oEePh5.5FHo7HCw2JFZC1OsR3rj0RFMfsziK0NTy86 zFX26QLIxxUKRNjAJBu2Cqupyy2lrYkI8dQnos9Bf4_C6qUOqJD6XDriyKfC bK8tyfvSuCR3vZOBlbX1viCOESVdnQ6qi2IrIPXq8qBNSGZqZ517zpT_U X-Received: from [64.56.91.45] by web180414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:49:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 References: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> <157132.86982.qm@web180405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001e01cae2fa$0bc5e360$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:49:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001e01cae2fa$0bc5e360$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.50 From: Juan Gualda Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=NpO9B0Y1V1RfpaMUDe16yVdqrJIgnjdfxYh48X2sZTNKvWY X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=20 Wait til 2011, bro, cause what you've seen now ain't gonna last. Scott IF only we could tell the future.... =A0 I would have bought some Apple stock when it was less than $20. sigh =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Apr 23 09:21:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50765 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 16:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 16:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f175.google.com) (209.85.222.175) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 16:21:26 -0000 X-Received: by pzk5 with SMTP id 5so6701294pzk.14 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.57.15 with SMTP id f15mr367181rva.56.1272039622864; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm872681ywh.8.2010.04.23.09.20.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BD1C8C3.9040305@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:20:19 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> <49301.44919.qm@web180410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000b01cae2f7$5ab39b00$d503fea9@stodd> <17072.72146.qm@web180404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <17072.72146.qm@web180404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.175 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=OyoHXV_OVMsGAdZvN6v8lZzhwSlNVlmbGAwZjgLPiDrYfnvD-BFkeMvroLxO5w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/23/2010 11:44 AM, Juan Gualda wrote: > There is a Catholic station that (I assume) is payed for by the Church, as I hear very little local content. I wonder how it does, as the Church needs all the good PR it can take, so maybe this isn't even an issue. > Nope, I am the CE of Mediatrix Radio, Catholic Radio for South Carolina. The stations get NO support from the Diocese. Each station is 100% Listener Supported and staffed almost 100% by Volunteers. It is mind boggling at how little money these stations operate on. Many don't even have the facilities to produce local content and on the air with painfully obsolete and Radio Shack grade equipment. > God bless the small market stations, that still give people a reason to listen, and maybe some of the "big boys" can learn a thing or two from them. > The station that are Live & Local, yes. but most around here are on the bird 24/7. > People need a reason to listen to radio, and sadly a lot of operators have forgotten this. > Agreed. > Reagrding this AM construction permit...anybody who has enough money to waste on putting an AM on the air, when there are what seems like dozens going silent, is an idiot Yes, you can buy an AM much cheaper than you can build one. Often, you can buy a station for just the price of the Real Estate it is sitting on. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Apr 23 10:54:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73596 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 17:54:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 17:54:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 17:54:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.27.132] by n3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 17:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.27.219] by t4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 17:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp129.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2010 17:53:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 799235.64870.bm@omp129.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 5192 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2010 17:53:48 -0000 Message-ID: <598630.3639.qm@web180405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 37d3V_MVM1kDtqabL30BAYJocl2ZamdLR60.Vmy5dPhiW3J uo9BFMjqQ X-Received: from [64.56.91.45] by web180405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:53:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 References: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> <49301.44919.qm@web180410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000b01cae2f7$5ab39b00$d503fea9@stodd> <17072.72146.qm@web180404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BD1C8C3.9040305@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:53:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BD1C8C3.9040305@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Juan Gualda Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=BVOmzJHnjhHqgvr9wsR-8fCK1vouhs4TBK4yWHL-Lw0evzI X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope, I am the CE of Mediatrix Radio, Catholic Radio for South Carolina.=20 The stations get NO support from the Diocese. Each station is 100%=20 Listener Supported and staffed almost 100% by Volunteers. It is mind=20 boggling at how little money these stations operate on. Many don't even=20 have the facilities to produce local content and on the air with=20 painfully obsolete and Radio Shack grade equipment. Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ ...............Kevin, Is the 920 AM in Melbourne, FL =C2=A0funded by the church ? Since they took over, they have upgraded the sound, and the signal is bette= r. Just wondering............ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Apr 23 11:19:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67145 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 18:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 18:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f171.google.com) (209.85.211.171) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 18:19:28 -0000 X-Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1so2595134ywh.30 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:19:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.175.15 with SMTP id c15mr628592anp.59.1272046767567; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i8sm12409912ana.19.2010.04.23.11.19.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BD1E4AB.4090909@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:19:23 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> <49301.44919.qm@web180410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000b01cae2f7$5ab39b00$d503fea9@stodd> <17072.72146.qm@web180404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BD1C8C3.9040305@gmail.com> <598630.3639.qm@web180405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <598630.3639.qm@web180405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=MMe4g7HsSOs0yUWK_uHWrcm3P3GeZS8bj4uBrbs_UYxrQsBnepX7XBxjlDM7Gg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/23/2010 1:53 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > Is the 920 AM in Melbourne, FL funded by the church ? > Since they took over, they have upgraded the sound, and the signal is better. > No, WDMC 920 is Listener Supported. Some stations get lucky and find a donor with deep pockets. If I remember right, there are 3 Diocesan owned stations in the Nation, all of them have a Music Format all or most of the day. I *THINK* there is one Commercial EWTN affiliate and the rest of us are Listener Supported. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Apr 23 12:22:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51080 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 19:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2010 19:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f180.google.com) (74.125.83.180) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 19:22:26 -0000 X-Received: by pvg13 with SMTP id 13so284589pvg.39 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:22:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.202.17 with SMTP id z17mr343294wff.140.1272050546650; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (71-32-47-161.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v41sm342626wfh.21.2010.04.23.12.22.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <028521C0174F4B0B823715E0453D604F@mygateway> To: References: <8d6b5.2943cdf2.39028ee2@aol.com> <001301cae2f2$fea88360$d503fea9@stodd> <157132.86982.qm@web180405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001e01cae2fa$0bc5e360$d503fea9@stodd> <159364.99269.qm@web180414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:16:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.180 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=pSizJU2nSkTMDmJgfp93GodnuvjSEWhZcBYmcmy2rNzvFYuV1fps X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no kidding apple is kicking major ass ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale Wait til 2011, bro, cause what you've seen now ain't gonna last. Scott IF only we could tell the future.... I would have bought some Apple stock when it was less than $20. sigh Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Apr 23 19:45:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33247 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2010 02:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2010 02:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2010 02:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3O2jKVE031816 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:45:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e34.396acac (37181) for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:45:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m20.mail.aol.com (magic-m20.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.193]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA054-913d4bd25b3a1bf; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:45:14 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:45:14 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.193 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Dgm-VBCw0_o75SH9zijdkgt7uqI5fWFT2ZBRShKMhZH3bSbJ5tHCfne3FkL_4VmD X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/23/2010 9:32:45 AM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > so that limits me to WSM, KCJJ ( KCJJ covers Toledo with a 1kW non-directional signal? Wow. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Apr 23 19:59:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88213 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2010 02:59:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2010 02:59:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2010 02:59:21 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3O2xF63030318 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:59:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dc0.3ef11a2 (37219) for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:59:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m20.mail.aol.com (magic-m20.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.193]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA062-91634bd25e7d36c; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:59:09 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:59:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.193 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KLiElOijdwPaowM9RoPdqjCzt5rxfSpoLsYDqtC3hpc3Xfhj8JKMrD1V5yt7JryE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have said it before, but I will say it again. If anyone has something that enough people are willing to listening to that it can get sponsors that can at least pay the light bill, you won't have troubling finding a station that will put you on the air. especially in small to midsize markets. In St. Louis, which is a Top 20 market, a completely talentless trailer-park trash type woman who used to have on show once a week on Sunday night after midnight when the station wasn't doing maintenance. There is a rumor that the station's transmitter maintenance bet her in the ratings three out of four weeks a month. Now she has a daily show in the afternoon. Why? Because a new radio genre was come into being, that being, Stupid White Broads Spewing Bat Crap Crazy Right Wing Talking Points. Personally, I think if there was some way of adapting carnival geeks to radio, it would have potential. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Apr 24 00:56:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75765 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2010 07:56:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2010 07:56:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173015pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2010 07:56:53 -0000 X-Received: from RDW ([unknown] [96.228.140.43]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1D007S7FERJNZA@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 02:56:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <5d409.397dfec9.3902149c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 03:56:51 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this CP station would cause some interference to the daytime secondary coverage area for WOKV 690 in Jacksonville, FL (the legendary "Big Ape" WAPE from the 1960s-80s). WOKV 690 puts out a very strong signal throughout north and central Florida. I'm surprised owner Cox hasn't tried to kill this CP. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com I don't care what kind of pattern they run at night, I think the station itself is within WLW's secondary skywave service area. Who's minding the store over at the FCC? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 24 08:26:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79507 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2010 15:26:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2010 15:26:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2010 15:26:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22693 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2010 15:25:11 -0000 Message-ID: <116992.21770.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UT03xqgVM1lUr_ir26ZHnC_LAK7Q.KXEe8E6FBHB3Z85EZZ BWtzO7GoAvKWwNPEdd51d7kbmSUaUR51Wi2X9ej8miQefBWWYRFudvv7V2R3 imSjAOxqyBWnDCtl0Us0ZsWAmYzrBCVx4hjjxUSod7vDhv9TftabJKSV_uEI ZQPE7VUcNF50EgyEGD3yytPFp20OT9BPH8IEjWVK3efkVomS8V1nUcP6KUdb yfwv9d8w4okIWP.Yoo3cxhwqwO9d8KcKzPMeDTCWsl4tXShPwCvlrb9Cboo9 KJ0IfH45l7Shx1e0eSUR_hsaF2jwsInMnKPy.fuQ- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:25:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:25:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: EWTN stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=se4Q2EWACZ61OPMLG5WJjzvL1x8jpXF7IPSuv9HGLSbmiWtWgSHljys X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio They are trying to get an ETWN station on the air here for the past 3 years, but the diocese is giving no coin, and actually is distancing itself from the projet beyond giving it 'prayer support', so a volunteer group has had to sponsor 2 fundraisers a year - and they're still working on a joint venture for just the tower portion right now. Studio and transmitter aren't even in the works yet. I tried to get them to see about having Cumulus 'give' them their AM daytimer, but just this week Cumulus traded the AM for an FM tranlator! >If I remember right, there are 3 Diocesan owned stations in the Nation, >all of them have a Music Format all or most of the day. I *THINK* there >is one Commercial EWTN affiliate and the rest of us are Listener Supported. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Apr 24 08:52:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38232 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2010 15:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2010 15:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.160.178) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2010 15:52:50 -0000 X-Received: by gyh3 with SMTP id 3so5034730gyh.9 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:51:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.21.19 with SMTP id y19mr1778417ani.198.1272124312408; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r21sm22483773anp.7.2010.04.24.08.51.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BD31394.2070702@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:51:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <116992.21770.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <116992.21770.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=0JcQxo7IGjdkRACAGvN93bOxpGgs4-hVnP_ueZlVZJ2Lrk2FLE_-f3-Qe9wzCg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/24/2010 11:25 AM, John P. wrote: > They are trying to get an ETWN station on the air here for the past 3 years, but the diocese is giving no coin, and actually is distancing itself from the projet beyond giving it 'prayer support', That is pretty Normal. A few bishops do support their local station out of their own pockets, but that is about it. > so a volunteer group has had to sponsor 2 fundraisers a year - and they're still working on a joint venture for just the tower portion right now. Studio and transmitter aren't even in the works yet. > Our stations are lending Technical support to a start-up in Augusta, GA. It is TOUGH to get a listener supported station off of the ground. > I tried to get them to see about having Cumulus 'give' them their AM daytimer, > It would be a REAL blessing for somebody to do that with us in parts of South Caroloina where we have no signal. Here in South Carolina, another problem is one group of Protestant stations running a "Contemporary Christian" forat is buying EVERY FM translator that can be had, even in the primary signal areas of their stations, just to keep others from getting them. They even LMAd a 50,000 Watt Blowtorch AM from Clear Chanel. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 24 12:33:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99308 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2010 19:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2010 19:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2010 19:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.23] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100424143334101670900010.0) with SMTP id <20100424143334101670900010> for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:33:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003301cae3e5$3e096720$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <116992.21770.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BD31394.2070702@gmail.com> X-Source-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:35:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:33:34 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9KCGOa6CY2E_bMmiqgfRJZLl2iSSmFEbD2DMnijbdYDGJBj1Hgyn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An outfit called Relevant Radio has the lock on Catholic programming around here- beau-coup stations in MN and WI; talk format, and they're a combination of advertiser and listener supported. Recently they built a blowtorch signal on 1180, KYES in central MN. Wouldn't mind getting my mitts on that station and turn it into a God's Country format, in AM stereo of course. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations On 4/24/2010 11:25 AM, John P. wrote: > They are trying to get an ETWN station on the air here for the past 3 years, but the diocese is giving no coin, and actually is distancing itself from the projet beyond giving it 'prayer support', That is pretty Normal. A few bishops do support their local station out of their own pockets, but that is about it. > so a volunteer group has had to sponsor 2 fundraisers a year - and they're still working on a joint venture for just the tower portion right now. Studio and transmitter aren't even in the works yet. > Our stations are lending Technical support to a start-up in Augusta, GA. It is TOUGH to get a listener supported station off of the ground. > I tried to get them to see about having Cumulus 'give' them their AM daytimer, > It would be a REAL blessing for somebody to do that with us in parts of South Caroloina where we have no signal. Here in South Carolina, another problem is one group of Protestant stations running a "Contemporary Christian" forat is buying EVERY FM translator that can be had, even in the primary signal areas of their stations, just to keep others from getting them. They even LMAd a 50,000 Watt Blowtorch AM from Clear Chanel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Apr 24 15:14:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92479 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2010 22:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2010 22:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2010 22:14:15 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3OME5x7008719 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:14:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d84.5baef88 (43962) for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:14:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d25.mail.aol.com (magic-d25.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.159]) by cia-dd02.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD023-abba4bd36d2a381; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:14:02 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.159 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=E2bkypInrswNJrwmvJxnTC1WtsIuWj9K3xuMcb3glL_44sMPzz7_0xvhPJoaquK5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/24/2010 2:57:02 AM Central Daylight Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I think this CP station would cause some interference to the daytime > secondary coverage area for WOKV 690 in Jacksonville, FL You're right. WOKV runs 50kW into a single Class II height tower during the day. Their contour INCLUDES WJWB, the station itself. Did someone do away with adjacent channel protection? My guess is Cox figured the CP was b.s. and would die in the womb. Doesn't the FCC look at applications anymore or they accepted every one in the believe if there is something wrong with it a private party will contest it? Incidentally, the old WAPE could be heard way out in the Atlantic. I mean waaay out. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Apr 24 19:57:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57047 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2010 02:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2010 02:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173013pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.13) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2010 02:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from RDW ([unknown] [96.228.140.43]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1E00BGCWDA7QD4@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:00:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <9EB2B9626A1E490E879944B269CE2032@RDW> To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:57:10 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got 50K? WJWB (700) is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll bet they went waaay out! Even along the coast they put out an incredible signal. I was stationed at Ft. Stewart GA, and we listened to them all day long. Of course, they disappeared at night. In fact, when I used to make an occasional AWOL run down to Tampa on a weekend at night, driving on US301 right past their Baldwin nighttime tower, I could only pick them up for half a mile or so. They were throwing their nighttime 10kw east, out into the Atlantic at night. Dick W In a message dated 4/24/2010 2:57:02 AM Central Daylight Time, migrant@aol writes: Incidentally, the old WAPE could be heard way out in the Atlantic. I mean waaay out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Apr 25 20:19:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4617 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2010 03:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2010 03:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f180.google.com) (209.85.221.180) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2010 03:18:53 -0000 X-Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so16379073qyk.25 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:18:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.234.68 with SMTP id kb4mr4031622qcb.103.1272251933737; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (71-32-47-161.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm2729808iwn.10.2010.04.25.20.18.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <116992.21770.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BD31394.2070702@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:18:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=bgrmgUr8O3GSz5WD9CqCVsIG6b0oRxVJfmarOVXk8w5nkoVq6O_p X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit looks like the christian stations are getting greety to t triffic ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:51 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations On 4/24/2010 11:25 AM, John P. wrote: > They are trying to get an ETWN station on the air here for the past 3 years, but the diocese is giving no coin, and actually is distancing itself from the projet beyond giving it 'prayer support', That is pretty Normal. A few bishops do support their local station out of their own pockets, but that is about it. > so a volunteer group has had to sponsor 2 fundraisers a year - and they're still working on a joint venture for just the tower portion right now. Studio and transmitter aren't even in the works yet. > Our stations are lending Technical support to a start-up in Augusta, GA. It is TOUGH to get a listener supported station off of the ground. > I tried to get them to see about having Cumulus 'give' them their AM daytimer, > It would be a REAL blessing for somebody to do that with us in parts of South Caroloina where we have no signal. Here in South Carolina, another problem is one group of Protestant stations running a "Contemporary Christian" forat is buying EVERY FM translator that can be had, even in the primary signal areas of their stations, just to keep others from getting them. They even LMAd a 50,000 Watt Blowtorch AM from Clear Chanel. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Apr 25 20:21:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52366 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2010 03:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2010 03:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f196.google.com) (209.85.221.196) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2010 03:21:04 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f196.google.com with SMTP id 34so163082qyk.10 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.215.72 with SMTP id hd8mr4053153qcb.43.1272252063988; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (71-32-47-161.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm2735833iwn.6.2010.04.25.20.21.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <116992.21770.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BD31394.2070702@gmail.com> <003301cae3e5$3e096720$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:21:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=hw3yANiw8O7vTJ8D8Xe7WFk8LjKtuNcIx9Pl8ZjVf_qFnjlowVZF X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit c an you send a sample of station? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations An outfit called Relevant Radio has the lock on Catholic programming around here- beau-coup stations in MN and WI; talk format, and they're a combination of advertiser and listener supported. Recently they built a blowtorch signal on 1180, KYES in central MN. Wouldn't mind getting my mitts on that station and turn it into a God's Country format, in AM stereo of course. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations On 4/24/2010 11:25 AM, John P. wrote: > They are trying to get an ETWN station on the air here for the past 3 years, but the diocese is giving no coin, and actually is distancing itself from the projet beyond giving it 'prayer support', That is pretty Normal. A few bishops do support their local station out of their own pockets, but that is about it. > so a volunteer group has had to sponsor 2 fundraisers a year - and they're still working on a joint venture for just the tower portion right now. Studio and transmitter aren't even in the works yet. > Our stations are lending Technical support to a start-up in Augusta, GA. It is TOUGH to get a listener supported station off of the ground. > I tried to get them to see about having Cumulus 'give' them their AM daytimer, > It would be a REAL blessing for somebody to do that with us in parts of South Caroloina where we have no signal. Here in South Carolina, another problem is one group of Protestant stations running a "Contemporary Christian" forat is buying EVERY FM translator that can be had, even in the primary signal areas of their stations, just to keep others from getting them. They even LMAd a 50,000 Watt Blowtorch AM from Clear Chanel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 14:49:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19191 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2010 21:49:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2010 21:49:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2010 21:49:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60467 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2010 21:48:54 -0000 Message-ID: <741422.59224.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nFD6OXgVM1nNwjOS.ZTFHHzB6TXJLPvbkTFzkqw4Al1AkrU q2JGGpXcbk.MxlVaL7KTUM6MctF._M94AhIJAbA5VKqG.ypKYZ6uQ.i2.9qO IjZFynLE4jaCf09xCZlcsF4bzHS42m783Gw9QIWH.4Do4a3JUc84kCrt9ujw 6HqDQvTwuWJWsnAIHtcPAC01nWFbVpw_ZN8M9.dUWFvYg7RzIG0hG92hcetO n.jLQFI4h_PPchjnu0WPslqvCUPVE0r5zdEFfU2SsUi9FJEjNwpzzGSX._xJ 8is2RZof2MJpAswExvVO0jRnx5lWvebfWeQN9W7n032kiiQJykF0TWmNy96v QNHpSHW3I X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:48:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:48:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=vXK3jV1VDOVAO9QrQRqj1W3gFDyU_ylpyAkxWoslReqd_A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Say hallelujia, somebody! =C2=A0Don't make me holler, don't make me shout, = just turn them pockets inside out! =C2=A0Send it all to ME right here at th= e Prayboy Network...=C2=A0 --- On Sun, 4/25/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 11:21 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 c an you send a sample of station? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations An outfit called Relevant Radio has the lock on Catholic programming around= here- beau-coup stations in MN and WI; talk format, and they're a combinat= ion of advertiser and listener supported. Recently they built a blowtorch s= ignal on 1180, KYES in central MN. Wouldn't mind getting my mitts on that s= tation and turn it into a God's Country format, in AM stereo of course. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kj4hyd=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations On 4/24/2010 11:25 AM, John P. wrote: > They are trying to get an ETWN station on the air here for the past 3 y= ears, but the diocese is giving no coin, and actually is distancing itself = from the projet beyond giving it 'prayer support', That is pretty Normal. A few bishops do support their local station out=20 of their own pockets, but that is about it. > so a volunteer group has had to sponsor 2 fundraisers a year - and they'r= e still working on a joint venture for just the tower portion right now. St= udio and transmitter aren't even in the works yet. >=20 Our stations are lending Technical support to a start-up in Augusta, GA.=20 It is TOUGH to get a listener supported station off of the ground. > I tried to get them to see about having Cumulus 'give' them their AM dayt= imer, >=20 It would be a REAL blessing for somebody to do that with us in parts of=20 South Caroloina where we have no signal. Here in South Carolina, another= =20 problem is one group of Protestant stations running a "Contemporary=20 Christian" forat is buying EVERY FM translator that can be had, even in=20 the primary signal areas of their stations, just to keep others from=20 getting them. They even LMAd a 50,000 Watt Blowtorch AM from Clear Chanel= . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 22:23:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24683 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2010 05:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2010 05:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2010 05:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2010 05:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2010 05:22:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 05:22:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.11 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Another point to the analog audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mEpxVml5yT9xEWS4McOncBg6X3pQMo-ZiY5Q0sSsY_fBedhneQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! After the last mega-earthquake here, the old analog cassette tape system is= back because most of the CD players in the tsunami area are... with some s= alt water inside. Also, Chile isn't a country with all the roads and highways paved (like USA= ). We have a lot of kilometers of dirt roads. In this situation, a CD playe= r in your car doesn't last too long. The old cassette, and the radio of cou= rse, never fail!!! And also, a typical farmer or peasant can hardly use a CD player in his nor= mal daily work. Just an MP4 player can work well, almost always, but a typical MP4 player i= sn't a cheap device here yet. So... analog systems are still alive here!!! LET THE DIGITAL TO THE STUDIO, USE ANALOG TO ANY OTHER USE!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile,, South America, with love From starship_2001@msn.com Tue Apr 27 02:56:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19817 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2010 09:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2010 09:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2010 09:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2010 09:54:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2010 09:54:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:54:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.253.8.64 From: "starship20012001" Subject: Re: Another point to the analog audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=BXH5bm9Gl1wRI6GFYSu29LBuIogdkrYWp0P0qUbQ0uHQaw6qU_kgg5S55Q X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Some things were best not reinvented and AM (mw) radio is one of them. if a= nything the band needs to cleaned up and look like it did back in the 40s a= nd 50s. completly restore all clear channel (not the corp) stations and man= datory AM Stereo . clean up all IBOC and low powered stations operating on = clears at night and move them to the old analog channel 5 or 6 area of wher= e analog tV was or someplace else. Last but no least bring back CONTENT ---= -repeat------ CONTENT that made AM adio great in its heyday instead of talk= ing / thinking about how radio USED to be as we pay for our XM radio sub or= enjoy our Ipods or internet streaming.=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > After the last mega-earthquake here, the old analog cassette tape system = is back because most of the CD players in the tsunami area are... with some= salt water inside. >=20 > Also, Chile isn't a country with all the roads and highways paved (like U= SA). We have a lot of kilometers of dirt roads. In this situation, a CD pla= yer in your car doesn't last too long. The old cassette, and the radio of c= ourse, never fail!!! >=20 > And also, a typical farmer or peasant can hardly use a CD player in his n= ormal daily work. >=20 > Just an MP4 player can work well, almost always, but a typical MP4 player= isn't a cheap device here yet. >=20 > So... analog systems are still alive here!!! >=20 > LET THE DIGITAL TO THE STUDIO, USE ANALOG TO ANY OTHER USE!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile,, South America, with love > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Apr 27 11:03:42 2010 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58809 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2010 18:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2010 18:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2010 18:03:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1272391274; bh=ErtI/l4VseXzyVqLMXx9i44cMOWmRVIXtBi2G/2naR0=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Reply-To:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=ccAqQRBE/gjzZpLU2BiIEUPbRxcfnUMcV182EyxZbib79sk4fAv8YcAfQvgk7xR7odEMoqnQriKQtq9hvNvaxPsmkS3XPkbrVXpp4K/cEfhztZo36YLCsLMKxeUmYKxE Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2010 18:01:14 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2010 18:01:14 -0000 X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53427 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2010 11:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2010 11:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f41.google.com) (74.125.83.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2010 11:35:03 -0000 X-Received: by gwj15 with SMTP id 15so3799614gwj.14 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.151.31 with SMTP id d31mr4373897ano.220.1272281703079; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r21sm42915384anp.17.2010.04.26.04.35.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BD57A65.4040709@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:35:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <116992.21770.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BD31394.2070702@gmail.com> <003301cae3e5$3e096720$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:2:2:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=rgmJlRv6Q7T1yiHmGJyBsccw5yi5p1Q-PxOVuIYtrG8i_6BMTqtrkpfKw3_JVw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Apr 2010 18:01:11 -0000 On 4/25/2010 11:21 PM, hank smith wrote: > an you send a sample of station? > This is the stream for the station I work for, it is a typical EWTN Station: http://38.96.148.19:6660/listen.pls This is a stream for Relevant Radio: http://relevantradio-wm.streamguys.us/relevantradio -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Apr 27 15:20:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28458 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2010 22:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2010 22:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2010 22:19:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28104 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2010 22:19:20 -0000 Message-ID: <900051.27643.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ofZ5qXcVM1nXIMcEalv6s20Gmbx7EwfII7S2uGrMsmHhDKf v2U12n0GkuI6vUejY0K8le1lAg0faLTwp1ZGwuH.FhGLm80X_Etc6sfMuwpy t0Tg7Sxlz_uuLOounxcBLMP8O4Y.2OaUL0gJHpcPgCbCMxjb1RS8BcPcARdw to4zZE9Ek.YK1eA8MmsH4ymMim0fZuuWypujice5r8ECWsTINbXSiEaUHUOl TF_PrreuQ3jmaBf08LFEWd7qtOEIpdCancWPR6fboVVJFsr0tBc.km4sxPFX HhzQLo6ORAlGrMRWPY6UBq_zlIJss851DgytxUW0ikVHMduBXE2ghYTXnROB .jgg3.z9nYtjjyUNBOi563wd_mQUXBIrooGo- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:19:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:19:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=D3ESPDEXLasSOdxkBt_4NAE4fLTCOdw6GQRXlUVgkqoZdA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AMEN to ALL of that! =C2=A0G --- On Tue, 4/27/10, starship20012001 wrote: From: starship20012001 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 5:54 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Some things were best not reinvented and AM (mw) radio is one of them. if a= nything the band needs to cleaned up and look like it did back in the 40s a= nd 50s. completly restore all clear channel (not the corp) stations and man= datory AM Stereo . clean up all IBOC and low powered stations operating on = clears at night and move them to the old analog channel 5 or 6 area of wher= e analog tV was or someplace else. Last but no least bring back CONTENT ---= -repeat-- ---- CONTENT that made AM adio great in its heyday instead of tal= king / thinking about how radio USED to be as we pay for our XM radio sub o= r enjoy our Ipods or internet streaming.=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jotape1960" wrot= e: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > After the last mega-earthquake here, the old analog cassette tape system = is back because most of the CD players in the tsunami area are... with some= salt water inside. >=20 > Also, Chile isn't a country with all the roads and highways paved (like U= SA). We have a lot of kilometers of dirt roads. In this situation, a CD pla= yer in your car doesn't last too long. The old cassette, and the radio of c= ourse, never fail!!! >=20 > And also, a typical farmer or peasant can hardly use a CD player in his n= ormal daily work. >=20 > Just an MP4 player can work well, almost always, but a typical MP4 player= isn't a cheap device here yet. >=20 > So... analog systems are still alive here!!! >=20 > LET THE DIGITAL TO THE STUDIO, USE ANALOG TO ANY OTHER USE!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile,, South America, with love > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Apr 29 23:20:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24144 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2010 06:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2010 06:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f193.google.com) (209.85.221.193) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2010 06:20:30 -0000 X-Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31so330193qyk.25 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:20:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.97.76 with SMTP id k12mr3439808qan.259.1272608429328; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (71-32-47-161.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1443817iwn.9.2010.04.29.23.20.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:20:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: is fm hd permitted on this list? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=fFfXVi8rUOhKU7NtnKZ0Rt9E12P9O_Q_97JD6erZBahgOYEFb7Si X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ello is hd fm permitted on this list? have a perticular question about a hd fm salator that had a hd2 in tucson both the hd and hd2 is downcan some one on this list direct me on who to contact?its 88.1 Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Apr 30 07:02:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89942 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2010 14:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2010 14:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f46.google.com) (209.85.212.46) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2010 14:02:39 -0000 X-Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19so173138vws.19 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 07:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.128.12 with SMTP id i12mr3896690vcs.4.1272636159079; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 07:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v12sm9085970vch.21.2010.04.30.07.02.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Apr 2010 07:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BDAE2FC.9050508@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:02:36 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.46 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} is fm hd permitted on this list? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=0wjcjpSkdEY-9pLlT8iAkIFJPIWMHWz4eNIu20SSs_wCiQGllb2I_8jU5P3uSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 4/30/2010 2:20 AM, hank smith wrote: > have a perticular question about a hd fm salator that had a hd2 in tucson both the hd and hd2 is downcan some one on this list direct me on who to contact? > Good News Radio Broadcasting P.O. BOX 187 Humble, TX 77347 They own K-Love. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 30 07:24:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26757 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2010 14:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2010 14:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2010 14:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2010 14:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2010 14:24:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:24:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.124.208 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: is fm hd permitted on this list? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=SBFN49L9Tx5lJWcH8AzMBmKUDAw--3sS4C8nlN8trRGxDkOVANJ5ZF3tTCbEDuv6MlgSUuL3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > ello is hd fm permitted on this list? > have a perticular question about a hd fm salator that had a hd2 in tucson= both the hd and hd2 is downcan some one on this list direct me on who to c= ontact?its 88.1 > Hank >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank Thank you for makeing it at least radio related. I still wish that = this and other forums can help more with our AM STEREO plite. I have been t= rying but I am only one man. Jim Smith From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 30 07:42:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27436 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2010 14:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2010 14:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2010 14:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2010 14:40:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2010 14:40:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2010 14:40:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:40:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.124.208 From: "jim smith" Subject: Hi Scott X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=NPnP-DyF8JSEIfcxp3lW7EAV5erqz94DsmKeylC_4w31xS84DdAs_K733aRc6T1ayT3WcX4K X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Scott Please e-mail me. jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net. Jim Smith From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Apr 30 08:27:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25270 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2010 15:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2010 15:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f190.google.com) (209.85.211.190) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2010 15:27:33 -0000 X-Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so152166ywh.28 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:27:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.127.5 with SMTP id z5mr2535455ybc.275.1272641253360; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm20508241anz.8.2010.04.30.08.27.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BDAF6E3.6070809@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:27:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: is fm hd permitted on this list? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=VD_gjZPHWmD-1sReTjOEB0ex6vCqk5b2_I-eApdt2mOXhw_VysLEiklhIVTuHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/30/2010 10:24 AM, jim smith wrote: > I still wish that this and other forums can help more with our AM > STEREO plite. I have been trying but I am only one man. The best I can offer is if somebody was to donate a Stereo Optimod, Stereo Exciter, and Stereo Mod Monitor, I would put it on the air at WCKI 1300 AM. If Somebody donates another set-up, I would put it on the air at WQIZ 810 AM. Donations to either station are Tax Deductible. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 13:40:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87792 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2010 20:40:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2010 20:40:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2010 20:40:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11604 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2010 20:40:30 -0000 Message-ID: <625656.10861.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EXm8.9QVM1mSokxdHTf1Wrlk6bKlJaFcAuLLDvKrv6VaHgC HOt98DKDvMxg21fAwTQTeziPzINCce.OSceOwo3i4qWnwsQ23DR8UtpYrMkU YUiaBO8PgM0sWQlWsukdnhuPjyiItgNx_bzLk.xmhWG2.S4_C8BislkjmJ8T Lj.9soMYA_7_iSqYNglXX6uhR537d4EAiBcLLo_Z5193dV8dKwG85N0YPPk9 J4nKD5cIzoBoXtcyb2hyA7gjRiXmD_mJgYT2wWWk8WWMSRFM0TPavleSwrpY UkSjrKgQPzvXvB.8i6SpfttAZJNnIqIpjg47MO1eLT.ZicNdxk64c_E7sLIe 7yPngQ1zrW5xjPw51kU4jgog_YxPt X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:40:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.102.267879 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:40:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BDAF6E3.6070809@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: question... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WvCR9pDiizfSca5s6cYMskOQBjy_dgrMyXSzI_RKEs02aA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Off topic, so if somebody could email me at =C2=A0wlx1430@yahoo.com =C2=A0I= would sure be grateful! =C2=A0I have a weird "tetrode" transistor, 3N35, t= rying to find out which wire is which, so I can at least test it. (it WILL = be going in an AM radio prototype, if found good!)Thanks, =C2=A0George --Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 MARKETPLACE =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you= 're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now.=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 = =20 = =20 Welcome to Mom Connection! 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Explore new interests.=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =E2=80=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=80=A2 Terms = of Use =20=20=20 =20=20 =20=20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 . =20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat May 01 12:04:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34074 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 19:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2010 19:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2010 19:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.132] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100501140424101537300011.0) with SMTP id <20100501140424101537300011> for ; Sat, 01 May 2010 14:04:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006501cae961$5c806ba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <116992.21770.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BD31394.2070702@gmail.com> X-Source-Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 14:05:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 14:04:24 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=VVyUjoqiaeznFOO5Zlqa4wzylVk5BkTQtEYtfbSFiKJJikArSfoM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, a lot of the stations they're acquiring would be going dark otherwise. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations looks like the christian stations are getting greety to t triffic ----- Original Message ----- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat May 01 12:43:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94857 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 19:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2010 19:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2010 19:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.132] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100501144228102703900010.0) with SMTP id <20100501144228102703900010> for ; Sat, 01 May 2010 14:42:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00bd01cae966$aeddfc00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 14:44:10 -0500 Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 14:42:28 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=iBhe4TugujQvviq1HtKti9P-AJl3gPrkaX56G-npMx70xHt4ys5F X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's rather sad it's come to this. I actually supported allowing the small= er stations to have some nighttime authority as it was some of them who bac= k in the 80s were doing the more creative things. Nowadays I'd have to agr= ee it's just a bunch more noise. I doubt you'd ever be able to mandate ste= reo though. Lots of talk is now on FM with most of those stations operatin= g in mono. Back when KTLK had live morning and afternoon drive they were i= n stereo. But since Jason Lewis went national they shut off the stereo as = they take him as a satellite feed even though his show is coming out of the= ir studios. One thing you completely overlooked in your assessment is music license fee= s. Are there really enough GOOD indie bands out there to make more than on= e station in a market viable? Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: starship20012001=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:56 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio =20=20=20=20 Some things were best not reinvented and AM (mw) radio is one of them. if= anything the band needs to cleaned up and look like it did back in the 40s= and 50s. completly restore all clear channel (not the corp) stations and m= andatory AM Stereo . clean up all IBOC and low powered stations operating o= n clears at night and move them to the old analog channel 5 or 6 area of wh= ere analog tV was or someplace else. Last but no least bring back CONTENT -= ---repeat------ CONTENT that made AM adio great in its heyday instead of ta= lking / thinking about how radio USED to be as we pay for our XM radio sub = or enjoy our Ipods or internet streaming.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote= : > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > After the last mega-earthquake here, the old analog cassette tape syste= m is back because most of the CD players in the tsunami area are... with so= me salt water inside. >=20 > Also, Chile isn't a country with all the roads and highways paved (like= USA). We have a lot of kilometers of dirt roads. In this situation, a CD p= layer in your car doesn't last too long. The old cassette, and the radio of= course, never fail!!! >=20 > And also, a typical farmer or peasant can hardly use a CD player in his= normal daily work. >=20 > Just an MP4 player can work well, almost always, but a typical MP4 play= er isn't a cheap device here yet. >=20 > So... analog systems are still alive here!!! >=20 > LET THE DIGITAL TO THE STUDIO, USE ANALOG TO ANY OTHER USE!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile,, South America, with love > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dud31dud@yahoo.com Sat May 01 13:02:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dud31dud@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74717 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 20:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2010 20:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2010 20:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2010 20:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2010 20:01:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 20:01:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <625656.10861.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.227.158.107 From: "ograv31" Subject: Re: question... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=276726813; y=8ejVfxaDlx3ul0BonNThOQV5t7U4Q-ENrAnEXkJBqMCNE9k X-Yahoo-Profile: ograv31 http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.electronics.design/2008-01/msg00060= .html Helpful? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Off topic, so if somebody could email me at =C2=A0wlx1430@... =C2=A0I wou= ld sure be grateful! =C2=A0I have a weird "tetrode" transistor, 3N35, tryin= g to find out which wire is which, so I can at least test it. (it WILL be g= oing in an AM radio prototype, if found good!)Thanks, =C2=A0George >=20 > --Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > MARKETPLACE >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page y= ou're on - Get the Yahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=AuvdKZ2WJ9B_mQT7gdjuazRB_eq9DYSapz4t0GO85COGBxCbi98f X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope- K-Love is owned by Educational Media Foundation of Rocklin CA. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:02 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} is fm hd permitted on this list? On 4/30/2010 2:20 AM, hank smith wrote: > have a perticular question about a hd fm salator that had a hd2 in tucson both the hd and hd2 is downcan some one on this list direct me on who to contact? > Good News Radio Broadcasting P.O. BOX 187 Humble, TX 77347 They own K-Love. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat May 01 15:17:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99065 invoked from network); 1 May 2010 22:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2010 22:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2010 22:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2010 22:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2010 22:14:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 22:14:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00bd01cae966$aeddfc00$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.244 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=4Yabcvb0NmPyzGPltm_dD_ZdyX3bmTlgELD1TMBhVsbCikItpw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Here is the point I can not to understand: HOW the most greatest and import= ant industry country in the world (USA) still has a problem like the "music= license fees" in plain XXI century? I can not to understand Why the musicians feel they have some rights over t= he radio industry IF THE RADIO INDUSTRY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTNER OF TH= E MUSICIANS!!! What can a musician do if the radios don't play their music? ??? On this line, radios should charge musician and not the other direction!!! OK, to avoid a conflict: musicians don't charge radios and radios don't cha= rge musicians. This is the final solution!!! Let me dream, at least!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love (and still some tremors) From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat May 01 20:50:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47970 invoked from network); 2 May 2010 03:50:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2010 03:50:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2010 03:50:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2010 03:50:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2010 03:50:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 03:50:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00fc01cae969$a3832800$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.38.63.195 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} is fm hd permitted on this list? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=EVYCsgzb_Md-LWx7ZsJ-2SBMmprbowmTYw-Yi5EkP2zqw0Baqsi7hqYa0ix0tK16aTfYci97 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Nope- K-Love is owned by Educational Media Foundation of Rocklin CA. >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kj4hyd=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:02 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} is fm hd permitted on this list? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > On 4/30/2010 2:20 AM, hank smith wrote: > > have a perticular question about a hd fm salator that had a hd2 in tu= cson both the hd and hd2 is downcan some one on this list direct me on who = to contact? > >=20 >=20 > Good News Radio Broadcasting >=20 > P.O. BOX 187 > Humble, TX 77347 >=20 > They own K-Love. >=20 > --=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical= standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi I live in the the next town up from Rocklin Ca. Loomis Ca Placer Count= y. Jim Smith P.S That is in placer gold. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat May 01 20:55:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47645 invoked from network); 2 May 2010 03:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2010 03:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2010 03:55:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2010 03:55:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2010 03:55:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 03:55:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.38.63.195 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ryt-gpmi2ojutLkpfGDR4mApnB6wvgQIHAArkg0JnEob9yFsgho_hIPrZY2afkItnAh1dm3I X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Here is the point I can not to understand: HOW the most greatest and impo= rtant industry country in the world (USA) still has a problem like the "mus= ic license fees" in plain XXI century? >=20 > I can not to understand Why the musicians feel they have some rights over= the radio industry IF THE RADIO INDUSTRY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTNER OF = THE MUSICIANS!!! >=20 > What can a musician do if the radios don't play their music? ??? >=20 > On this line, radios should charge musician and not the other direction!!= ! >=20 > OK, to avoid a conflict: musicians don't charge radios and radios don't c= harge musicians. This is the final solution!!! >=20 > Let me dream, at least!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love (and still some tremors) > Hi Juan Its greed!!!! Not only from the broad cast radio and the internet = and ipod and cd's XM and on and on and on. Jim Smith From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun May 02 16:53:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88361 invoked from network); 2 May 2010 23:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2010 23:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.160.178) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2010 23:53:12 -0000 X-Received: by gyh3 with SMTP id 3so853315gyh.9 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 16:53:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.55.2 with SMTP id h2mr1295522ank.95.1272844388861; Sun, 02 May 2010 16:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t28sm46471045ano.6.2010.05.02.16.53.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 May 2010 16:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BDE1063.7040601@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 19:53:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <116992.21770.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BD31394.2070702@gmail.com> <006501cae961$5c806ba0$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <006501cae961$5c806ba0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} EWTN stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=fk7DhnWCzr8nVXenL9ns7pxQk6Z_WP9sbs1XVC6ZyyQKesAR-W_sY7OXm59IJA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/1/2010 3:04 PM, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > No, a lot of the stations they're acquiring would be going dark otherwise. > WQIZ had been playing Jazz and went silent a few days before we closed on it. WCKI was already a christian station playing Southern Gospel from WinAmp, but had been going broke for a while and was within a Month of going Silent when we bought it out. The equipment was so worn-out that we had to replace everything but the Audio Processing. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun May 02 21:42:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78670 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 04:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2010 04:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2010 04:42:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12281 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2010 04:42:08 -0000 Message-ID: <264015.11646.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YExCexEVM1nB_q1dFCVDjFx9XRw6y3VnB_6f3lxma_mShnt rqgLJ45skGmY0_lRguSfoiCH8ADEaHpyYImkjogGrF_FHzDZ9UTM12K1tVlW S2CV8VJf8TVk_UCFWnQcN90FS5A0qT87bzV5nn1gictZSh4QVIDLOGy2kbcE aHNIUw6aYBYiylhkUs0_JFEDGWLZmfDuW44wEaEyQIkEQbGyC_mXmJKkbrXM OMOUg0IlriYiloKfU_81l8LxkgX8lSS1JLIyDP7QV3fDkSoRa7LqUIZyb3Yu ibfWWDErbQrXhyQ6TvcZydi31zL1UhBhKnz1fzA4- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 May 2010 21:42:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:42:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 From: "John P." Subject: Radio Fees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=u6Y8TukJJawePDzZeifuXxRhWXq-uLcdiPBidK2EVfAY6Wsg14QTkcI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur (should be an independant as she didn't support NAFTA or the bailouts) is sponsoring legislation to help the radio industry in its fight against paying record companies money to promote and advertise, for free, their music! Good for Marcy! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun May 02 21:47:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28801 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 04:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2010 04:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2010 04:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2010 04:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2010 04:46:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 04:46:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: MCS 3050 for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=S8guYlMvtl2XAn0fBeON3tmsAHlpMEza3WU0r8jGqnltdoIRxt35FNg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Gang, the depression of 2009-2010 is encouraging me to sell some of my radi= o hardware. I have for sale, my (JCPenney) MCS-3050 AM Stereo / FM Stereo = tuner. AM covers 530-1620KHz in 10KHz steps, so it does NOT hav all of the= X-BAND.. Let me know if you need more infor, or photos. Thanks.=20 John From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun May 02 22:13:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36561 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 05:13:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2010 05:13:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2010 05:13:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2010 05:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2010 05:13:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 05:13:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.149.139 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: MCS 3050 for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Mtf4ae0JhpqISe_rwb28ojgJMAxDa_VTSdnXL0Eu5_yNEGNj3vwUWNmnzK5MTafovNhvxAkg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Gang, the depression of 2009-2010 is encouraging me to sell some of my ra= dio hardware. I have for sale, my (JCPenney) MCS-3050 AM Stereo / FM Stere= o tuner. AM covers 530-1620KHz in 10KHz steps, so it does NOT hav all of t= he X-BAND.. >=20 > Let me know if you need more infor, or photos. > Thanks.=20 > John > Hi John How much and will you take postal money orders? Thay are eazy to u= pdate. Jim Smith From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 03 04:00:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41656 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 11:00:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2010 11:00:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2010 11:00:23 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o43B0F6s001787 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:00:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dd2.556da1e (34988) for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 07:00:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB011-88ac4bdeacb975; Mon, 03 May 2010 07:00:09 -0400 Message-ID: <4fdc.332cbe91.391006b9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 07:00:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Fees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-6IibCznRlqkI5zcFEU5mkaOm9HFbYe588GSqYNgYgJKH9cHmC0QLvlESGcI1ssn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The world is rapidly turning into the Mad Hatter's Tea Party where everything is backwards. There was a time when record companies begged and even bribed to get stations to play their records. Marc Cohn made an interesting comment at a small venue appearance (no, not the Hollywood in Memphis). He observed that in the past artists would do tours to promote their records. Now, artists make albums to promote their tours. The record industry, he said, is dead. The record industry, like other industries struggling for a few more moments and bucks before its inevitable demise, is looking for immediate sources of cash from any and every place. It makes no difference if it is counterproductive in the long term as they believe there is no future to worry about. One airline has either has, or is planning to, charge for using the lavatories on their planes. That's the day I just poop my seat and see how that works out for them. Actually, I thought all music broadcast had to be licensed through BMI such and those companies could charge whatever they wanted to for license. So what has changed? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon May 03 16:23:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26447 invoked from network); 3 May 2010 23:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2010 23:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2010 23:23:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70067 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2010 23:23:16 -0000 Message-ID: <40716.69847.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pl2m8FgVM1nQK6DUKoZCi1S7xZjpgS5uym2BamWDvV9x2ZM WvrlSiFaAHn1KjeW9mDAghAzEJIAcdS.5lt1vQTs_Q8yPtfHIHb6Jcv0mdvl a8qnrBFjgxFiDe5B.qK.Pb0ldsqficjqTQJg_iJY4atD3r0zs0gxPYMef.5V rSulw8V1QAaXZL93Ip6tUoZodDwXqK4xjYGo3yOXTTohQYg_kfNeEbe29rjv iSLsBV88NlKqu_A2IyHyedzPqugylRWXzR5nRs5E.0Yv6RXolA9am4FWgDbQ u.LXnFNXJVHE6GoD8yY_qeqv6AnwMim5wzv2fus2zcaWdn4TXCaLc.mW3r_4 uShkCWvMrl77Sb1dq1U9Pq7VUlWpw X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 May 2010 16:23:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:23:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <264015.11646.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Fees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5-yp0mE01MZ_byC31EYa-6pPO4hfyuAeU99S0jTy0JfsPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Considering some of the "music" (?) I hear on the airwaves these days, I th= ink the musicians ought to pay the stations for the airtime! If it is done = on a per-minute basis, with no intention of influencing the charts, then it= IS NOT payola.=C2=A0After all, if you or I wanted to preach, teach, or "en= tertain" somebody without prior benefit of marketable fame, wouldn't WE be = charged for the time? =C2=A0I'd bet ANYBODY on or reading this forum could = play a kazoo or sing in the shower and come up with better music than some = of the garbage they want to charge for! =C2=A0Drop an engine block on my to= es, and I will say "@&$#^#^!" just as loud and just as fast as a rap "artis= t"...so where is MY big pay?Just my 0.02 dollar's worth, though...G --- On Mon, 5/3/10, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Radio Fees To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 12:42 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur (should be an independant as she didn't su= pport NAFTA or the bailouts) is sponsoring legislation to help the radio in= dustry in its fight against paying record companies money to promote and ad= vertise, for free, their music! Good for Marcy! =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue May 04 10:01:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9612 invoked from network); 4 May 2010 17:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2010 17:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2010 17:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2010 17:01:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2010 17:01:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 17:01:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40716.69847.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Radio Fees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=-evy9VTN6fybufMzBbdPrK8RSnBeQwx74hfag5QfXMqw X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I agree with all your arguments and views. Record promotors beg to get thei= r stuff played and then stations get charged for playing the recording. Tha= t's something I never could understand. But this is old ground. If terrestr= ial radio stations were to pay nothing then the fees should be dropped for = internet and satellite radio as well. I don't think that's going to happen.= The battle over fees for satellite and internet has been fought and lost. = Nobody won. Now it's terrestrial radios turn in the barrel. They'll have to= find a way to survive just like the rest of us have. Maybe next time we ca= n present a unified front to Soundexchange and the RIAA instead of satellit= e radio doing their own thing and the NAB shaking their fist at the rest of= us. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Considering some of the "music" (?) I hear on the airwaves these days, I = think the musicians ought to pay the stations for the airtime! If it is don= e on a per-minute basis, with no intention of influencing the charts, then = it IS NOT payola.=C2=A0After all, if you or I wanted to preach, teach, or "= entertain" somebody without prior benefit of marketable fame, wouldn't WE b= e charged for the time? =C2=A0I'd bet ANYBODY on or reading this forum coul= d play a kazoo or sing in the shower and come up with better music than som= e of the garbage they want to charge for! =C2=A0Drop an engine block on my = toes, and I will say "@&$#^#^!" just as loud and just as fast as a rap "art= ist"...so where is MY big pay?Just my 0.02 dollar's worth, though...G >=20 > --- On Mon, 5/3/10, John P. wrote: >=20 > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Radio Fees > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 12:42 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur (should be an independant as she didn't = support NAFTA or the bailouts) is sponsoring legislation to help the radio = industry in its fight against paying record companies money to promote and = advertise, for free, their music! >=20 > Good for Marcy! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue May 04 15:19:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25161 invoked from network); 4 May 2010 22:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2010 22:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2010 22:19:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76731 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2010 22:19:17 -0000 Message-ID: <740838.75419.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Xz.HPmsVM1mLeYtqcgodoEshkwFHZvbRVTLi_vZBrjZ3ch1 3k_4- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 May 2010 15:19:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.1.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 15:19:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Fees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=YopsW2mHr11kVdM1lYYeYv738tHEwZL478d2LVI-tlKjsw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You hit the nail on the head! =C2=A0NAB? =C2=A0Remember when they promoted = high standards for radio, like tighter technical specs? =C2=A0RIAA? =C2=A0T= hey should have gone away after they gave us the EQ curve! =C2=A0Now BOTH a= re as crooked as a laser beam in a room full of aluminum foil! =C2=A0What w= e need is a National Association of LISTENERS!!! =C2=A0G --- On Tue, 5/4/10, wa2fnq wrote: From: wa2fnq Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio Fees To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 1:01 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I agree with all your arguments and views. Record promotors beg to ge= t their stuff played and then stations get charged for playing the recordin= g. That's something I never could understand. But this is old ground. If te= rrestrial radio stations were to pay nothing then the fees should be droppe= d for internet and satellite radio as well. I don't think that's going to h= appen. The battle over fees for satellite and internet has been fought and = lost. Nobody won. Now it's terrestrial radios turn in the barrel. They'll h= ave to find a way to survive just like the rest of us have. Maybe next time= we can present a unified front to Soundexchange and the RIAA instead of sa= tellite radio doing their own thing and the NAB shaking their fist at the r= est of us. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote= : > > Considering some of the "music" (?) I hear on the airwaves these days, I = think the musicians ought to pay the stations for the airtime! If it is don= e on a per-minute basis, with no intention of influencing the charts, then = it IS NOT payola.=C3=82=C2=A0After all, if you or I wanted to preach, teach= , or "entertain" somebody without prior benefit of marketable fame, wouldn'= t WE be charged for the time? =C3=82=C2=A0I'd bet ANYBODY on or reading thi= s forum could play a kazoo or sing in the shower and come up with better mu= sic than some of the garbage they want to charge for! =C3=82=C2=A0Drop an e= ngine block on my toes, and I will say "@&$#^#^!" just as loud and just as = fast as a rap "artist"...so where is MY big pay?Just my 0.02 dollar's worth= , though...G >=20 > --- On Mon, 5/3/10, John P. wrote: >=20 > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Radio Fees > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 12:42 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur (should be an independant as she didn't = support NAFTA or the bailouts) is sponsoring legislation to help the radio = industry in its fight against paying record companies money to promote and = advertise, for free, their music! >=20 > Good for Marcy! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue May 04 17:24:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48951 invoked from network); 5 May 2010 00:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2010 00:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2010 00:24:37 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.139] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100504192421101774400010.0) with SMTP id <20100504192421101774400010> for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 19:24:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001101caebe9$93629820$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:26:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 19:24:21 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} is fm hd permitted on this list? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=tOXPkLPjnFVc3y8Mu2a9ch0v-YxfhripQDmySXuAqWkIWgJEZurR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chances are I'll be out there again next January. Will have to see if we can get together. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} is fm hd permitted on this list? Hi I live in the the next town up from Rocklin Ca. Loomis Ca Placer County. Jim Smith P.S That is in placer gold. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed May 05 08:10:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9523 invoked from network); 5 May 2010 15:10:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2010 15:10:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2010 15:10:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2010 15:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2010 15:07:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 15:07:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <740838.75419.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio Fees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=Fw1zKCX6CmwxoeglO9M_o7INPFC17e0FxefNv8DF9wwi X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Right on!! Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > You hit the nail on the head! =C2=A0NAB? =C2=A0Remember when they promote= d high standards for radio, like tighter technical specs? =C2=A0RIAA? =C2= =A0They should have gone away after they gave us the EQ curve! =C2=A0Now BO= TH are as crooked as a laser beam in a room full of aluminum foil! =C2=A0Wh= at we need is a National Association of LISTENERS!!! =C2=A0G >=20 > --- On Tue, 5/4/10, wa2fnq wrote: >=20 > From: wa2fnq > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio Fees > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 1:01 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > I agree with all your arguments and views. Record promotors beg to = get their stuff played and then stations get charged for playing the record= ing. That's something I never could understand. But this is old ground. If = terrestrial radio stations were to pay nothing then the fees should be drop= ped for internet and satellite radio as well. I don't think that's going to= happen. The battle over fees for satellite and internet has been fought an= d lost. Nobody won. Now it's terrestrial radios turn in the barrel. They'll= have to find a way to survive just like the rest of us have. Maybe next ti= me we can present a unified front to Soundexchange and the RIAA instead of = satellite radio doing their own thing and the NAB shaking their fist at the= rest of us. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > Considering some of the "music" (?) I hear on the airwaves these days, = I think the musicians ought to pay the stations for the airtime! If it is d= one on a per-minute basis, with no intention of influencing the charts, the= n it IS NOT payola.=C3=82=C2=A0After all, if you or I wanted to preach, tea= ch, or "entertain" somebody without prior benefit of marketable fame, would= n't WE be charged for the time? =C3=82=C2=A0I'd bet ANYBODY on or reading t= his forum could play a kazoo or sing in the shower and come up with better = music than some of the garbage they want to charge for! =C3=82=C2=A0Drop an= engine block on my toes, and I will say "@&$#^#^!" just as loud and just a= s fast as a rap "artist"...so where is MY big pay?Just my 0.02 dollar's wor= th, though...G >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Mon, 5/3/10, John P. wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > From: John P. >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} Radio Fees >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 12:42 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20 >=20 > > =C3=82=C2=A0 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > > Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur (should be an independant as she didn'= t support NAFTA or the bailouts) is sponsoring legislation to help the radi= o industry in its fight against paying record companies money to promote an= d advertise, for free, their music! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Good for Marcy! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu May 06 05:48:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20465 invoked from network); 6 May 2010 12:48:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2010 12:48:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2010 12:48:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2010 12:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2010 12:45:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 12:45:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101caebe9$93629820$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.125.85 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: is fm hd permitted on this list? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ZTHf6438z1whXjeZqmiIGOdo6JOank6MKm8Ka4undKRZkXErncDF13Qn0qHzGOoBGoD1jQX3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Chances are I'll be out there again next January. Will have to see if we= can get together. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} is fm hd permitted on this list? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 > Hi I live in the the next town up from Rocklin Ca. Loomis Ca Placer Cou= nty. Jim Smith P.S That is in placer gold. >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott I would like to meet you next January and maybe see what you do a= t work. Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat May 08 20:28:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44073 invoked from network); 9 May 2010 03:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2010 03:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2010 03:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2010 03:28:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2010 03:28:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 03:28:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.83 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Radio and natural hazards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=l9CENSKCKQoPYAFGr7dr9ozwIoUKcD8iHkcueSv5Plu7dMrfuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody here knows something about the effects (if there is so= me one) on the radio propagation behaviour of the natural events (earthquak= es, storms, volcanos, etc.), not only during the event but after the event = itself. ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat May 08 20:57:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64651 invoked from network); 9 May 2010 03:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2010 03:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f49.google.com) (209.85.212.49) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2010 03:57:32 -0000 X-Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so1078194vws.36 for ; Sat, 08 May 2010 20:57:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.127.11 with SMTP id e11mr1784215vcs.125.1273377448642; Sat, 08 May 2010 20:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i29sm27886426vcr.12.2010.05.08.20.57.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 May 2010 20:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BE632A6.3050909@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 23:57:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.49 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio and natural hazards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=D33RVwJLt_Vc7npm_kFWv1Ve2wHxMwuceMi4wKgFSYHvIEg1l5E4jKEirt39SA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/8/2010 11:28 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > I wonder if somebody here knows something about the effects (if there is some one) on the radio propagation behaviour of the natural events (earthquakes, storms, volcanos, etc.), not only during the event but after the event itself. ??? > Storms normally dont have any lasting effects, they are just QRN Generators during the storm. Volcanoes can wreak havok, but sometimes improve Medium Wave. The Ash can bounce VHF and UHF a LONG way. I don't care what the so-called experts say, Spacecraft can really screw up Medium and Short Wave. I can see where Earth Quakes can affext the Ground Conductivity and either Help, or Hurt Medium Wave and Long Wave. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From akekalos@gmail.com Sun May 09 09:56:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: akekalos@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43188 invoked from network); 9 May 2010 16:56:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2010 16:56:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f183.google.com) (209.85.221.183) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2010 16:56:16 -0000 X-Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so4700823qyk.1 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 09:56:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.100.204 with SMTP id z12mr1828681qan.20.1273424176054; Sun, 09 May 2010 09:56:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.37.21 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 09:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 12:56:16 -0400 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Antonios Kekalos Subject: AM stereo BW question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=398729583; y=Q8vJtYdOgjw7KGCz4U9I3S7q-7fZy-NWBH1YyVVziky3q4E X-Yahoo-Profile: tkekalos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Audio Cubes carries three am stereo radios, but I have been unable to find any specs for them. Does anyone on the list know the BW of any or all of the following: Sony SRF-A300 Sony SRF-AX51V Sony SRF-AX15 Thank you. -- Tony, N4RNI Traverse City, MI SWLR-RN072 EN74es [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 09 21:11:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27390 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 04:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2010 04:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2010 04:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4A4Atan005277 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:10:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bd1.723da765 (45450) for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:10:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m19.mail.aol.com (magic-m19.mail.aol.com [172.21.136.208]) by cia-mc05.mx.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC058-b18a4be7874c3b6; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:10:53 -0400 Message-ID: <279cc.44fb1f1.3918e14c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 00:10:52 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 63.3.10.129 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.136.208 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio and natural hazards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UMWKqJWnwFCZXlb2Zpo3Rd8CCF4bFeCSFXVFZygpmX9X_m45IpG2ZCq0ekn6glth X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know of any studies. However, there could be invisible damage to the ground system because of earth movement during the quake. Are you seeing a shift in base current? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 09 22:05:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60708 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 05:05:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2010 05:05:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2010 05:05:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 05:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 05:05:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 05:05:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <279cc.44fb1f1.3918e14c@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.40 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio and natural hazards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jwABeMU7Bps1oKMQ5Jxitp2wweSHWFQGehpvS9q9QS4RZIE4Bw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Not. I have the same 4.4 RF Amps. I just have noticed some slightly shift in the voltage of the final plate s= tage (from 3000 to 3100). However, the final plate current is the same, so.= .. I guess it is not related with an external event. I don't have any significant listener report about the coverage area at day= time, but I have a noticeable better signal at night in the 30-50 kms dista= nce range to the south-south-west of my antenna (in the direction of the me= ga-earthquake central point). Of course, I don't have any official research= -paper about this fact. It could be only a coincidence (weather, moisture, = etc.), I don't know. If you know about some paper about this issue, please let me know. Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon May 10 01:27:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24359 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 08:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2010 08:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2010 08:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 08:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 08:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 08:26:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:26:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.20.141 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: AM stereo BW question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=RuuAX91valqZl2SNYUaFRZoOMBgW7gb3nPtDI6hbI7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Geia sou Antony!=20 Well i have the pdf of the SRF-A300 on Japanese but doesn't seem to have an= y text that could be refered to the IF BW of it! I did had one some time ag= o and it sounded real good with good audio quality also at higher frequenci= es, testing with a Laboratory Standard CQUAM RF Generator (VP8254) and I c= an estimate that should be a 10KHz IF BW filter inside. Don't know if the = other 2 have also the same. No way comparable to a TX11a or a DENON TU680 b= ut those are desktop tuners and far more expensive.=20 Pollous xairetismous apo tin Athina... (Ellada) Sotiris=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Antonios Kekalos wrote= : > > Audio Cubes carries three am stereo radios, but I have been unable to fin= d > any specs for them. Does anyone on the list know the BW of any or all of = the > following: >=20 > Sony SRF-A300 > Sony SRF-AX51V > Sony SRF-AX15 >=20 > Thank you. >=20 > --=20 > Tony, N4RNI > Traverse City, MI > SWLR-RN072 > EN74es >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From awhichello@ieee.org Mon May 10 04:40:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: awhichello@ieee.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51884 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 11:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2010 11:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2010 11:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 11:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 11:39:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:39:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.124.176.130 From: "apw3642" Subject: Re: Radio and natural hazards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=Ra_6CfZT1ms7jdj1wgkjxjW45X5Qp0XmPB_NyOOPadfy7A X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if somebody here knows something about the effects (if there is = some one) on the radio propagation behaviour of the natural events (earthqu= akes, storms, volcanos, etc.), not only during the event but after the even= t itself. ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > I've read a few studies about how earthquakes change LF and VLF propapgation. Try Googling "earthquake vlf propagation" and you'll find them. But although I can see how the earthquake would change ground conductivity, they do seem like "fringe science" explanations and require a lot more study (which will not be easy to carry out) to get definitive answers. Adrian. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 10 05:50:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68610 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 12:49:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2010 12:49:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2010 12:49:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 12:49:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 12:49:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:49:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM stereo BW question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=twFLkrpn2NYznA2nKqfgDUxzRaozfl5YJOBl2OPOZBnnn2dEqTEbCDs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Tony, I know that some on the list here have bought the A300 and one of the= two AX units. The only thing I recall is that someone mentioned that the = audio was 'bassy' from one of them and I believe that the FM band is the Ja= pan version, not covering all of our FM band IIRC. Can somebody chime in about their A300, XM51V or AX15 units? I don't know = how these 3 compare to the SRF-42 unit. But, I know that almost nothing beats the AM bandwidth of the SRF-A1 or SRF= -A100, if you can afford them.=20=20 John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Antonios Kekalos wrote= : > > Audio Cubes carries three am stereo radios, but I have been unable to fin= d > any specs for them. Does anyone on the list know the BW of any or all of = the > following: >=20 > Sony SRF-A300 > Sony SRF-AX51V > Sony SRF-AX15 >=20 > Thank you. >=20 > --=20 > Tony, N4RNI > Traverse City, MI > SWLR-RN072 > EN74es >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon May 10 07:00:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6231 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 14:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2010 14:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2010 14:00:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 13:57:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 13:57:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:57:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.148.224 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: AM stereo BW question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=frvrc_JuVMHWUIkv3R8DT_ExmZpZU41xcReHRYa8oQSGSwzVA5B7dLz5gl-zazxuELEjet2U X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > Geia sou Antony!=20 >=20 > Well i have the pdf of the SRF-A300 on Japanese but doesn't seem to have = any text that could be refered to the IF BW of it! I did had one some time = ago and it sounded real good with good audio quality also at higher frequen= cies, testing with a Laboratory Standard CQUAM RF Generator (VP8254) and I= can estimate that should be a 10KHz IF BW filter inside. Don't know if th= e other 2 have also the same. No way comparable to a TX11a or a DENON TU680= but those are desktop tuners and far more expensive.=20 > Pollous xairetismous apo tin Athina... (Ellada) >=20 > Sotiris=20=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Antonios Kekalos wrote: > > > > Audio Cubes carries three am stereo radios, but I have been unable to f= ind > > any specs for them. Does anyone on the list know the BW of any or all o= f the > > following: > >=20 > > Sony SRF-A300 > > Sony SRF-AX51V > > Sony SRF-AX15 > >=20 > > Thank you. > >=20 > > --=20 > > Tony, N4RNI > > Traverse City, MI > > SWLR-RN072 > > EN74es > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Gang I have a A300 and to me it sounds greats!!!!! It needs to be repair= . Can't aford a new one. If you take a head pnone adapter to RCA's and hook= it up to a big stereo amp you will need to turn down the bass and turn up = the treble. The sepration is very nice . Good C-QuAM chip in it.Jim Smith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 11 13:25:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5015 invoked from network); 11 May 2010 20:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2010 20:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2010 20:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2010 20:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2010 20:22:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:22:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM stereo BW question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=yA_4G05o8clqGLcNIDuAI8V3KKDhSDEZZPk8-dbkDCx1oZRvSA5dF6E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Jim, What broke in it?=20=20=20 "... I have an A300 and to me it sounds great! It needs to be repair ..."=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue May 11 16:32:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49446 invoked from network); 11 May 2010 23:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2010 23:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2010 23:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.199] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100511183156102683400010.0) with SMTP id <20100511183156102683400010> for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 18:31:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002f01caf162$74ec1b40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:34:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:31:56 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo BW question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=iDBZGCaiq3h8IgrI676nhHnyioU6C6ggbbCPEl9SsFevP27GeBKv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If they use ceramic filters for the IF he might be able to widen the bandwidth of any of them if he finds what he buys to be less than acceptable. He could find a wider BW filter or lacking that tack a low value cap (as little as 20pf to a few hundred pf) across it. That would best be done with a scope and sweep generator to get the most even response on each side of the carrier. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo BW question Tony, I know that some on the list here have bought the A300 and one of the two AX units. The only thing I recall is that someone mentioned that the audio was 'bassy' from one of them and I believe that the FM band is the Japan version, not covering all of our FM band IIRC. Can somebody chime in about their A300, XM51V or AX15 units? I don't know how these 3 compare to the SRF-42 unit. But, I know that almost nothing beats the AM bandwidth of the SRF-A1 or SRF-A100, if you can afford them. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Thu May 13 11:21:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81195 invoked from network); 13 May 2010 18:21:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2010 18:21:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2010 18:21:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2010 18:18:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2010 18:18:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 18:18:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.150 From: "nicholas" Subject: affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=97ag-nN5-IU7IkVb3Ck3S8MPirQTxgsvnN_jjmCzhUFubdoITQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I looked at the Aspisys transmitter and its way outside my price range alon= g with features I don't really need. Is there a transmitter currently in pr= oduction for under $200 or preferably under $150 that includes C-QUAM gener= ation and line level inputs? From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 14 06:43:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31528 invoked from network); 14 May 2010 13:43:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2010 13:43:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2010 13:43:45 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4EDhZw4005369 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 09:43:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bcf.67c64b82 (43833) for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 09:43:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d24.mail.aol.com (magic-d24.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.158]) by cia-dc02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC026-ab394bed53811c9; Fri, 14 May 2010 09:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:43:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.158 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_SJxihAKy1r9mSQ_QIhhK69PezEPTqybfIHyAia9ixepx-M4aalBGe8rn3keu5k- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe Chris Cuff offers one in the $50 to $100 range called the Alfredo Lite. This isn't necessarily and endorsement, just passing along the information. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Fri May 14 15:14:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89189 invoked from network); 14 May 2010 22:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2010 22:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2010 22:14:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2010 22:11:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2010 22:11:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 22:11:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.150 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=wlLAwix6cNdlniW0wvLYzpKBx9vEpjEgWNKTStWHqus_CK9j8g X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I believe Chris Cuff offers one in the $50 to $100 range called the Alfre= do=20 > Lite. This isn't necessarily and endorsement, just passing along the=20 > information. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Is it still in production? I heard it was discontinued for some weird reaso= n. From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 14 16:40:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75476 invoked from network); 14 May 2010 23:40:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2010 23:40:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2010 23:40:06 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4ENe0AO019227 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 19:40:01 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d87.84730ab (43814) for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 19:39:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d24.mail.aol.com (magic-d24.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.158]) by cia-dc01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC013-ab264beddf4ed6; Fri, 14 May 2010 19:39:58 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 19:39:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.158 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=S4rIlra6MAE0ZGVQP8x3ptdetNDPFO6uk4outEktkVQEo_QD3nhjkvRXv5QOzQbC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/2010 5:14:44 PM Central Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: > Is it still in production? I heard it was discontinued for some weird > reason. > "Production" is a matter of perspective. Most of the parts on the board I have are in deep obsolescence. It's easier to find tubes for my 1941 Zenith 10A1 than to find the ICs used on the Alfredo Lite. It would be great if someone could update the design and perhaps lay out a new board. About 75% of the board is a tri-band compression limiter. There isn't that much to the actual transmitter portion of the board. Most likely the board is out of production is that it is illegal to manufacture and sell this kind of device. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri May 14 16:43:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95025 invoked from network); 14 May 2010 23:43:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2010 23:43:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f173.google.com) (209.85.212.173) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2010 23:43:35 -0000 X-Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19so1423342pxi.18 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 16:43:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.213.22 with SMTP id p22mr1224555rvq.131.1273880594027; Fri, 14 May 2010 16:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o38sm2469379rvp.0.2010.05.14.16.43.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 May 2010 16:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <237ED58B6C74423EA195B002757DC009@mygateway> To: References: Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:43:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.173 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=SKkwluvKo_yA-CiDHNFex_RloyzszXOq8tj30kdCN4gEo98e2V0n X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit some one also should put drm in as well make it both am stereo and drm capable ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 4:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? In a message dated 5/14/2010 5:14:44 PM Central Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: > Is it still in production? I heard it was discontinued for some weird > reason. > "Production" is a matter of perspective. Most of the parts on the board I have are in deep obsolescence. It's easier to find tubes for my 1941 Zenith 10A1 than to find the ICs used on the Alfredo Lite. It would be great if someone could update the design and perhaps lay out a new board. About 75% of the board is a tri-band compression limiter. There isn't that much to the actual transmitter portion of the board. Most likely the board is out of production is that it is illegal to manufacture and sell this kind of device. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri May 14 16:44:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75645 invoked from network); 14 May 2010 23:44:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2010 23:44:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f182.google.com) (74.125.83.182) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2010 23:44:06 -0000 X-Received: by pvh11 with SMTP id 11so1376649pvh.13 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 16:44:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.58.11 with SMTP id g11mr1213412rva.210.1273880645994; Fri, 14 May 2010 16:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm1608172rvn.19.2010.05.14.16.44.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 May 2010 16:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1DE94B9232C1492BB41A49053107F5A3@mygateway> To: References: Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:44:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.182 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ocMG18b2i-5OaDa5aUD3cLR_nrI5_s2jKizpqwgFEtmTblJU5Le5 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I get scamatics of the board and info on what would be needed to get a new board designed? perhaps I could see if any one could help me design one a sighted person ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 4:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? In a message dated 5/14/2010 5:14:44 PM Central Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: > Is it still in production? I heard it was discontinued for some weird > reason. > "Production" is a matter of perspective. Most of the parts on the board I have are in deep obsolescence. It's easier to find tubes for my 1941 Zenith 10A1 than to find the ICs used on the Alfredo Lite. It would be great if someone could update the design and perhaps lay out a new board. About 75% of the board is a tri-band compression limiter. There isn't that much to the actual transmitter portion of the board. Most likely the board is out of production is that it is illegal to manufacture and sell this kind of device. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Fri May 14 18:54:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72729 invoked from network); 15 May 2010 01:54:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2010 01:54:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2010 01:54:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2010 01:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2010 01:54:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 01:54:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1DE94B9232C1492BB41A49053107F5A3@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.150 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=Y8C7xY9xmcLDWd0DaxSBxDKb-ud6IxCPzBf1MMTgy5sywG-5XQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 > "Production" is a matter of perspective. Most of the parts on the board= I=20 > have are in deep obsolescence. It's easier to find tubes for my 1941 Ze= nith=20 > 10A1 than to find the ICs used on the Alfredo Lite. >=20 > It would be great if someone could update the design and perhaps lay ou= t a=20 > new board. About 75% of the board is a tri-band compression limiter. Th= ere=20 > isn't that much to the actual transmitter portion of the board. >=20 > Most likely the board is out of production is that it is illegal to=20 > manufacture and sell this kind of device. >=20 > Mike Darn, if it were possible to synthesize C-QUAM AM stereo I could get the mo= re commonly available Ramsey transmitter and use that instead. But for me i= ts stereo or NOTHING as there is an extreme drought of it in my area. From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 14 20:28:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17455 invoked from network); 15 May 2010 03:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2010 03:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2010 03:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4F3S0sB018826 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 23:28:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.be8.6c426550 (45496) for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 23:27:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m17.mail.aol.com (magic-m17.mail.aol.com [172.21.147.70]) by cia-mc08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC083-b1b84bee14be24; Fri, 14 May 2010 23:27:58 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:27:58 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.147.70 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tDdbjTsATPOzKyWtTpNbVm60gpVzZB6g68jM4H9WzYGGTvB8xgVgwiNT5ZrdKiCy X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/2010 6:44:09 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > can I get scamatics of the board and info on what would be needed to get > a new board designed? perhaps I could see if any one could help me design > one a sighted person > The Alfredo Light seems to be poorly documented. The schematics are actually in the group's Files section. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri May 14 20:31:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73797 invoked from network); 15 May 2010 03:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2010 03:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f48.google.com) (209.85.160.48) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2010 03:31:47 -0000 X-Received: by pwi6 with SMTP id 6so2060191pwi.35 for ; Fri, 14 May 2010 20:31:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.58.7 with SMTP id g7mr1399015rva.37.1273894306861; Fri, 14 May 2010 20:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k17sm2632013rvh.17.2010.05.14.20.31.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 May 2010 20:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 20:31:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.48 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=OgrL3rWVcaG69MGV8RVjAyRLR43q5JLBy42On78FszhBfunB7t2S X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is needed to get one resined? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? In a message dated 5/14/2010 6:44:09 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > can I get scamatics of the board and info on what would be needed to get > a new board designed? perhaps I could see if any one could help me design > one a sighted person > The Alfredo Light seems to be poorly documented. The schematics are actually in the group's Files section. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Fri May 14 21:32:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90881 invoked from network); 15 May 2010 04:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2010 04:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2010 04:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2010 04:31:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2010 04:31:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 04:31:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.150 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=irQvRa0KHvTB_ors2i8V7J8qEU-XmmM_pFm8dNVfSHdrY8oA9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mjgrant@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:27 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 > The Alfredo Light seems to be poorly documented. The schematics are=20 > actually in the group's Files section. >=20 > Mike >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I like the idea of another one being designed, the Alfredo Lite needs a suc= cessor and one thing if the compressor/limiter is most of the board is to e= liminate it. This type of thing can be done very effectively in software th= rough Winamp plugins or Sonos processing which is eight or sixteen bands ra= ther than three. The modulator, oscillator, and C-QUAM generator stages sho= uld of course remain and that would reduce the parts count even further all= owing for a smaller case and easier assembly. From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 14 23:54:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2876 invoked from network); 15 May 2010 06:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2010 06:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2010 06:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4F6sZJL027647 for ; Sat, 15 May 2010 02:54:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dbf.7394dd1 (44226) for ; Sat, 15 May 2010 02:54:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m27.mail.aol.com (magic-m27.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.200]) by cia-dd08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD084-acc24bee452621e; Sat, 15 May 2010 02:54:30 -0400 Message-ID: <21422.c486a6e.391f9f26@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 02:54:30 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.200 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8t3BuYSYTHgvzclfvkfF57X1yNT9xcEDWa4yvvgGiY6ET8Mf9sm0d3KJFIJ-9SiR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a design although it is pretty involved. It directly synthesizes the AM Stereo signal. No balanced modulator, limiter, etc.. It produces two constant amplitude squarewave outputs at carrier frequency. An emitter coupled logic computational engine takes two digital words, representing the L and R signals, and computes a phase solution for the two outputs which when summed and the harmonics are filtered out produces an analog output with the correct amplitude and phase to represent the L and R input signals as defined by the CQUAM transfer function. The engine runs at 1024 times the carrier frequency. As you probably guessed, it is based on 10-bit audio. The advantage of this approach, aside from no drift, is that it allows things that are mathematically defined but usually impossible for a conventional analog transmitter to execute. For example, bidirectional distortionless supermodulation. The outputs off the board can be directly summed to produce around 80mW output with less than 100mW DC input. That is more than twice what any Part 15 transmitter I know of can produce. These same outputs can used to drive high speed fiber optic cable to drivers capable of exciting the largest transmitting tubes. It basically replaces the standard exciter in Ampliphase transmitters. I am still working on a direct digital audio interface that runs over USB. Right now, it is raw straight offset binary 24-bits wide. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat May 15 01:46:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94414 invoked from network); 15 May 2010 08:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2010 08:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.160.47) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2010 08:46:54 -0000 X-Received: by pwj5 with SMTP id 5so1634194pwj.20 for ; Sat, 15 May 2010 01:46:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.124.3 with SMTP id b3mr1590588rvn.123.1273913213951; Sat, 15 May 2010 01:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d14sm2824593rva.18.2010.05.15.01.46.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 May 2010 01:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 01:46:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ej4pIaK_YinGGDabscqSp6ZZSrknKy9oEBEBjjJmR5QpgOqVVi7R X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello I don't know what the kit consists of visually I am blind but I do like the sound of am stereo and aggree that there does need to be a transmitter under 100 dollars how much do you know about kit building? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:31 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:27 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? > > > > The Alfredo Light seems to be poorly documented. The schematics are > actually in the group's Files section. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I like the idea of another one being designed, the Alfredo Lite needs a successor and one thing if the compressor/limiter is most of the board is to eliminate it. This type of thing can be done very effectively in software through Winamp plugins or Sonos processing which is eight or sixteen bands rather than three. The modulator, oscillator, and C-QUAM generator stages should of course remain and that would reduce the parts count even further allowing for a smaller case and easier assembly. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat May 15 01:50:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59934 invoked from network); 15 May 2010 08:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2010 08:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.160.47) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2010 08:50:27 -0000 X-Received: by pwj5 with SMTP id 5so1635005pwj.20 for ; Sat, 15 May 2010 01:50:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.251.3 with SMTP id y3mr1558463rvh.227.1273913427623; Sat, 15 May 2010 01:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l29sm2823870rvb.16.2010.05.15.01.50.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 May 2010 01:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <876FB347487148AD8E83716698F6C917@mygateway> To: References: <21422.c486a6e.391f9f26@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 01:50:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=KvdEnGN7bfAXoDhRj9lLdMi51YeE9B3w1h4TbDGJaLvW6peUv862 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you could create a sdr transmitter if you do I am so up with that nice work mike ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? I have a design although it is pretty involved. It directly synthesizes the AM Stereo signal. No balanced modulator, limiter, etc.. It produces two constant amplitude squarewave outputs at carrier frequency. An emitter coupled logic computational engine takes two digital words, representing the L and R signals, and computes a phase solution for the two outputs which when summed and the harmonics are filtered out produces an analog output with the correct amplitude and phase to represent the L and R input signals as defined by the CQUAM transfer function. The engine runs at 1024 times the carrier frequency. As you probably guessed, it is based on 10-bit audio. The advantage of this approach, aside from no drift, is that it allows things that are mathematically defined but usually impossible for a conventional analog transmitter to execute. For example, bidirectional distortionless supermodulation. The outputs off the board can be directly summed to produce around 80mW output with less than 100mW DC input. That is more than twice what any Part 15 transmitter I know of can produce. These same outputs can used to drive high speed fiber optic cable to drivers capable of exciting the largest transmitting tubes. It basically replaces the standard exciter in Ampliphase transmitters. I am still working on a direct digital audio interface that runs over USB. Right now, it is raw straight offset binary 24-bits wide. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat May 15 22:11:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27782 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 05:11:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 05:11:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 05:11:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2010 05:11:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2010 05:11:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 05:11:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <21422.c486a6e.391f9f26@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.94 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=m_EdErOjch8X80JcT_2azOGlVlG9RifZIHDCF5ZjpFyF6sLCww X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Why not to use a full digital domain C-QUAM exciter? I mean: to use an specific software, into an standard PC, to: 1) Produce the carrier. 2) Modulate it (I and Q signals). 3) Join the I and Q signals and limit it to get the C-QUAM signal needed to= replace the AM TX exciter. All this job into the digital domain, yet. 4) Delay the audio mono sum, if it was necessary (to avoid any time differe= nce between the mono signal and the I and Q signals). 5) Convert the final signal from the digital domain to the standard analog = world to get the final C-QUAM AM Stereo signal. Of course, it is necessary some kind of hardware device (card) to convert t= he digital carrier into the standard analog carrier, but I guess it is the = easy part of the idea. I don't know any about the programming world, so... = we need an expert here. Even more, I guess it would be possible to create all the C-QUAM AM Stereo = signal (including the AM mono part) in the digital domain. I base my though= t about the high processing speed of the today PCs internal gnomes (if they= can process more than 3 GHZ of binary cycles, perfectly they can to produc= e signals in the MW frecuency range). Just a humble idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I have a design although it is pretty involved. It directly synthesizes= =20 > the AM Stereo signal. No balanced modulator, limiter, etc.. It produces= two=20 > constant amplitude squarewave outputs at carrier frequency. An emitter=20 > coupled logic computational engine takes two digital words, representing = the L=20 > and R signals, and computes a phase solution for the two outputs which wh= en=20 > summed and the harmonics are filtered out produces an analog output with = the=20 > correct amplitude and phase to represent the L and R input signals as=20 > defined by the CQUAM transfer function.=20=20 > The engine runs at 1024 times the carrier frequency. As you probably=20 > guessed, it is based on 10-bit audio. >=20 > The advantage of this approach, aside from no drift, is that it allows=20 > things that are mathematically defined but usually impossible for a conve= ntional=20 > analog transmitter to execute. For example, bidirectional distortionless= =20 > supermodulation. >=20 > The outputs off the board can be directly summed to produce around 80mW=20 > output with less than 100mW DC input. That is more than twice what any P= art 15=20 > transmitter I know of can produce. These same outputs can used to drive= =20 > high speed fiber optic cable to drivers capable of exciting the largest=20 > transmitting tubes. It basically replaces the standard exciter in Amplip= hase=20 > transmitters. >=20 > I am still working on a direct digital audio interface that runs over USB= .=20=20 > Right now, it is raw straight offset binary 24-bits wide. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat May 15 22:58:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82942 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 05:58:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 05:58:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f177.google.com) (74.125.83.177) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 05:58:32 -0000 X-Received: by pvg3 with SMTP id 3so1396265pvg.36 for ; Sat, 15 May 2010 22:58:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.57.7 with SMTP id f7mr2360237rva.201.1273989512418; Sat, 15 May 2010 22:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d14sm3321189rva.18.2010.05.15.22.58.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 May 2010 22:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 22:58:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=uyClmly0d07clTfutNYYxMNa5va3fTTclxESm6mBfZjpJOHtvF6f X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a sdr perhaps? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? =20=20=20=20 Why not to use a full digital domain C-QUAM exciter? I mean: to use an specific software, into an standard PC, to: 1) Produce the carrier. 2) Modulate it (I and Q signals). 3) Join the I and Q signals and limit it to get the C-QUAM signal needed = to replace the AM TX exciter. All this job into the digital domain, yet. 4) Delay the audio mono sum, if it was necessary (to avoid any time diffe= rence between the mono signal and the I and Q signals). 5) Convert the final signal from the digital domain to the standard analo= g world to get the final C-QUAM AM Stereo signal. Of course, it is necessary some kind of hardware device (card) to convert= the digital carrier into the standard analog carrier, but I guess it is th= e easy part of the idea. I don't know any about the programming world, so..= . we need an expert here. Even more, I guess it would be possible to create all the C-QUAM AM Stere= o signal (including the AM mono part) in the digital domain. I base my thou= ght about the high processing speed of the today PCs internal gnomes (if th= ey can process more than 3 GHZ of binary cycles, perfectly they can to prod= uce signals in the MW frecuency range). Just a humble idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I have a design although it is pretty involved. It directly synthesizes= =20 > the AM Stereo signal. No balanced modulator, limiter, etc.. It produces= two=20 > constant amplitude squarewave outputs at carrier frequency. An emitter= =20 > coupled logic computational engine takes two digital words, representin= g the L=20 > and R signals, and computes a phase solution for the two outputs which = when=20 > summed and the harmonics are filtered out produces an analog output wit= h the=20 > correct amplitude and phase to represent the L and R input signals as=20 > defined by the CQUAM transfer function.=20 > The engine runs at 1024 times the carrier frequency. As you probably=20 > guessed, it is based on 10-bit audio. >=20 > The advantage of this approach, aside from no drift, is that it allows= =20 > things that are mathematically defined but usually impossible for a con= ventional=20 > analog transmitter to execute. For example, bidirectional distortionles= s=20 > supermodulation. >=20 > The outputs off the board can be directly summed to produce around 80mW= =20 > output with less than 100mW DC input. That is more than twice what any = Part 15=20 > transmitter I know of can produce. These same outputs can used to drive= =20 > high speed fiber optic cable to drivers capable of exciting the largest= =20 > transmitting tubes. It basically replaces the standard exciter in Ampli= phase=20 > transmitters. >=20 > I am still working on a direct digital audio interface that runs over U= SB.=20 > Right now, it is raw straight offset binary 24-bits wide. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sat May 15 23:41:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11342 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 06:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 06:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 06:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2010 06:37:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2010 06:37:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 06:37:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.150 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=kHz5sVmGwBO87O6CuoXj_n-ZvAD-Qycz0PxFEKZ3fwINez6KOw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Why not to use a full digital domain C-QUAM exciter? >=20 > I mean: to use an specific software, into an standard PC, to: >=20 > 1) Produce the carrier. >=20 > 2) Modulate it (I and Q signals). >=20 > 3) Join the I and Q signals and limit it to get the C-QUAM signal needed = to replace the AM TX exciter. All this job into the digital domain, yet. >=20 > 4) Delay the audio mono sum, if it was necessary (to avoid any time diffe= rence between the mono signal and the I and Q signals). >=20 > 5) Convert the final signal from the digital domain to the standard analo= g world to get the final C-QUAM AM Stereo signal. >=20 > Of course, it is necessary some kind of hardware device (card) to convert= the digital carrier into the standard analog carrier, but I guess it is th= e easy part of the idea. I don't know any about the programming world, so..= . we need an expert here. >=20 > Even more, I guess it would be possible to create all the C-QUAM AM Stere= o signal (including the AM mono part) in the digital domain. I base my thou= ght about the high processing speed of the today PCs internal gnomes (if th= ey can process more than 3 GHZ of binary cycles, perfectly they can to prod= uce signals in the MW frecuency range). >=20 > Just a humble idea. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love This comes very close to what I was thinking of but my idea is to pass norm= al mono audio with a 25 Hz pilot added and the I and Q components in the au= dible spectrum (20 to 20,000 Hz) directly into a transmitter which does nor= mal AM mono. Should this be perfected and demonstrated I feel it would be a= Holy Grail and have very high hopes for this as it works not only for DRM = but analog GE/Zenith MPX FM stereo in terms of subcarrier generation with 2= 4 bit sound cards capable of playing back sounds with a 192 KHz sampling ra= te. I have built a low power "bug" FM mono transmitter from a kit which is = known as the Comrade and modded it with a line level input. Using what I me= ntioned earlier which is a Winamp plugin called Stereo Tool I tested it wit= h not only FM stereo but also RDS data on a frequency of 102.1 MHz and gues= s what, IT WORKED! The FM stereo tuner successfully decoded both the stereo= and RDS generated by the software and passed through the transmitter. From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun May 16 00:40:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83341 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 07:40:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 07:40:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f170.google.com) (74.125.83.170) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 07:40:37 -0000 X-Received: by pvg7 with SMTP id 7so243638pvg.15 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 00:40:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.57.7 with SMTP id f7mr2420560rva.201.1273995637178; Sun, 16 May 2010 00:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm2495512rvn.7.2010.05.16.00.40.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 May 2010 00:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8119C5842C8346EFAB38305D65181308@mygateway> To: References: Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 00:40:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=pT6qROQjvcA5ZjMBH0vRDuL3P8MKN1Dg1dNDI8Cdn9SW7k8iYVEb X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how did you pass the rds using winamp? also could you try this and tell me if it works? also how did you get stereo tool to work with the proper sampling rate? Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: nicholas=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 11:37 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote= : > > Why not to use a full digital domain C-QUAM exciter? >=20 > I mean: to use an specific software, into an standard PC, to: >=20 > 1) Produce the carrier. >=20 > 2) Modulate it (I and Q signals). >=20 > 3) Join the I and Q signals and limit it to get the C-QUAM signal neede= d to replace the AM TX exciter. All this job into the digital domain, yet. >=20 > 4) Delay the audio mono sum, if it was necessary (to avoid any time dif= ference between the mono signal and the I and Q signals). >=20 > 5) Convert the final signal from the digital domain to the standard ana= log world to get the final C-QUAM AM Stereo signal. >=20 > Of course, it is necessary some kind of hardware device (card) to conve= rt the digital carrier into the standard analog carrier, but I guess it is = the easy part of the idea. I don't know any about the programming world, so= ... we need an expert here. >=20 > Even more, I guess it would be possible to create all the C-QUAM AM Ste= reo signal (including the AM mono part) in the digital domain. I base my th= ought about the high processing speed of the today PCs internal gnomes (if = they can process more than 3 GHZ of binary cycles, perfectly they can to pr= oduce signals in the MW frecuency range). >=20 > Just a humble idea. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love This comes very close to what I was thinking of but my idea is to pass no= rmal mono audio with a 25 Hz pilot added and the I and Q components in the = audible spectrum (20 to 20,000 Hz) directly into a transmitter which does n= ormal AM mono. Should this be perfected and demonstrated I feel it would be= a Holy Grail and have very high hopes for this as it works not only for DR= M but analog GE/Zenith MPX FM stereo in terms of subcarrier generation with= 24 bit sound cards capable of playing back sounds with a 192 KHz sampling = rate. I have built a low power "bug" FM mono transmitter from a kit which i= s known as the Comrade and modded it with a line level input. Using what I = mentioned earlier which is a Winamp plugin called Stereo Tool I tested it w= ith not only FM stereo but also RDS data on a frequency of 102.1 MHz and gu= ess what, IT WORKED! The FM stereo tuner successfully decoded both the ster= eo and RDS generated by the software and passed through the transmitter. =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 16 05:01:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88581 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 12:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 12:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 12:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4GC1AdM023632 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 08:01:10 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e32.7168c16 (37119) for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 08:01:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d23.mail.aol.com (magic-d23.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.157]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA015-90ff4befde84ce; Sun, 16 May 2010 08:01:08 -0400 Message-ID: <881f3.7936ad71.39213884@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 08:01:08 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.157 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=P1KprcgeyP95Nn-oiYIOMRy3JhKGXj4fqgyqmsVE81tpiQ9Fn6rQ7BYGNHus3mOl X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, My transmitter generates the C-QUAM signal entirely in the digital domain. It takes two 12-bit digital words and computes a time domain solution from the C-QUAM defining equation. It's that simple. For any given L and R amplitude, there is a corresponding C-QUAM amplitude and phase. My transmitter uses a form of Chireix modulation which generates amplitude modulation by modulating the phase between two continous wave signals. In my transmitter, the phase difference determines the amplitude component of the C-QUAM signal while the common phase shift represents the phase. The ECL engine produces two 5 Vpp square waves which it phase modulates. The limiting factor is the speed of the ECL engine. It modulates the phase out the output signals by counting its clock cycles. The repetition rate of the output signals is the same as the C-QUAM carrier frequency. Each carrier frequency cycle is divided up into 1024 discrete steps allowing the ECL engine to shift the phase of output signals +/- PI radians. This provides 10-bit resolution. The two LSB are used in a hardware dithering circuit to give effectively 12-bit audio. All of this occurs strictly in the digital domain which allows for things like carrier reversal which permits splatter-free supermodulation even in excess of 100% negative modulation. The limitation is how many steps the ECL engine can divide the carrier frequency into. At 10-bit resolution, which is one part in 1024, the engine runs at just over 1.74 Ghz to produce a 1700 khz CQUAM carrier. That is the number of computations which should not be confused with PC clock rates. On a PC, each computation would take many machine cycles. The transmitter's inputs are digital. The engine generates the 25 hz pilot tone by counting down its own clock and doing a mathematical sine calculation before digitally adding it at the correct magnitude and out of phase to the digital L and R signals. The challenge I have is taking some standard digital audio format and converting it into something the ECL engine can understand. Right now, the engine accepts two 12-bit words representing the L and R signal at a rate equal to 1/4 the CQUAM carrier frequency. It is something that obvious can be done, I'm just not smart enough to do it. A 32Mb EPROM can only store about a 1.4 minutea of audio with a 1700 khz carrier or 5 minutes at 530 khz as there is no compression and the encoding is linear offset binary. The outputs of the transmitter can be directly combined and filtered to provide 500mW PEP. In the alternative, the outputs can drive fiber optic transmitters which can be used to drive very large output tubes which are operated Class E, on or off. For example, the final RF section of a 50kW Ampliphase transmitter, which already has the dual output tubes and phase combining network, could be used. The fiber optic link provides many thousands of volts of absolute isolation for safety purposes. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun May 16 10:02:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76509 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 17:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 17:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 17:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.133] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100516120154101461400010.0) with SMTP id <20100516120154101461400010> for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 12:01:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009601caf519$d1e7d720$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:04:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:01:54 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=PqQabs8mV6RijVSyuvaEq7yjg3D5GugiF58yJPgbGm6YQCPIqvzH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few errors here- first the AL has no tri-band limiter, that was only on Alfredo Torrejon's original. Second, Chris Cuff occasionally makes batches of these and makes them available on ebay. If there's to be any redesign it would have to be finding a replacement for the balanced modulator chips. Those are the ones getting hardest to find. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 6:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? In a message dated 5/14/2010 5:14:44 PM Central Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: > Is it still in production? I heard it was discontinued for some weird > reason. > "Production" is a matter of perspective. Most of the parts on the board I have are in deep obsolescence. It's easier to find tubes for my 1941 Zenith 10A1 than to find the ICs used on the Alfredo Lite. It would be great if someone could update the design and perhaps lay out a new board. About 75% of the board is a tri-band compression limiter. There isn't that much to the actual transmitter portion of the board. Most likely the board is out of production is that it is illegal to manufacture and sell this kind of device. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun May 16 10:03:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80680 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 17:03:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 17:03:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 17:03:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.133] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100516120223101496700010.0) with SMTP id <20100516120223101496700010> for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 12:02:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009a01caf519$e3633e40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <237ED58B6C74423EA195B002757DC009@mygateway> X-Source-Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:04:43 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:02:23 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=dj5QVJ2yupfAd5HZnw9-cphZK7uRj8ozN0QiMPIQklf2Wi7ZBoLe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would require an outboard computer. ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 6:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? some one also should put drm in as well make it both am stereo and drm capable ----- Original Message ----- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun May 16 15:04:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31424 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 22:04:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 22:04:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f45.google.com) (209.85.160.45) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 22:04:09 -0000 X-Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so820507pwj.4 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:04:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.14.21 with SMTP id r21mr2963432rvi.144.1274047449605; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k17sm3607385rvh.5.2010.05.16.15.04.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 May 2010 15:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7BEA21D9E3F544C693573AFA76B4AD09@mygateway> To: References: <881f3.7936ad71.39213884@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 15:04:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.45 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ExDgBF1T8PohbCHxcBVrPc6q2iYiMxdjKSRBZGoMmuUW9l0EXkHD X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I pass this alog to another group? its a sdr group would love to see your idea turned in to a low cost part15 sdr transmitter ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 5:01 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? Juan, My transmitter generates the C-QUAM signal entirely in the digital domain. It takes two 12-bit digital words and computes a time domain solution from the C-QUAM defining equation. It's that simple. For any given L and R amplitude, there is a corresponding C-QUAM amplitude and phase. My transmitter uses a form of Chireix modulation which generates amplitude modulation by modulating the phase between two continous wave signals. In my transmitter, the phase difference determines the amplitude component of the C-QUAM signal while the common phase shift represents the phase. The ECL engine produces two 5 Vpp square waves which it phase modulates. The limiting factor is the speed of the ECL engine. It modulates the phase out the output signals by counting its clock cycles. The repetition rate of the output signals is the same as the C-QUAM carrier frequency. Each carrier frequency cycle is divided up into 1024 discrete steps allowing the ECL engine to shift the phase of output signals +/- PI radians. This provides 10-bit resolution. The two LSB are used in a hardware dithering circuit to give effectively 12-bit audio. All of this occurs strictly in the digital domain which allows for things like carrier reversal which permits splatter-free supermodulation even in excess of 100% negative modulation. The limitation is how many steps the ECL engine can divide the carrier frequency into. At 10-bit resolution, which is one part in 1024, the engine runs at just over 1.74 Ghz to produce a 1700 khz CQUAM carrier. That is the number of computations which should not be confused with PC clock rates. On a PC, each computation would take many machine cycles. The transmitter's inputs are digital. The engine generates the 25 hz pilot tone by counting down its own clock and doing a mathematical sine calculation before digitally adding it at the correct magnitude and out of phase to the digital L and R signals. The challenge I have is taking some standard digital audio format and converting it into something the ECL engine can understand. Right now, the engine accepts two 12-bit words representing the L and R signal at a rate equal to 1/4 the CQUAM carrier frequency. It is something that obvious can be done, I'm just not smart enough to do it. A 32Mb EPROM can only store about a 1.4 minutea of audio with a 1700 khz carrier or 5 minutes at 530 khz as there is no compression and the encoding is linear offset binary. The outputs of the transmitter can be directly combined and filtered to provide 500mW PEP. In the alternative, the outputs can drive fiber optic transmitters which can be used to drive very large output tubes which are operated Class E, on or off. For example, the final RF section of a 50kW Ampliphase transmitter, which already has the dual output tubes and phase combining network, could be used. The fiber optic link provides many thousands of volts of absolute isolation for safety purposes. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sun May 16 15:48:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54992 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 22:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 22:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 22:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2010 22:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2010 22:48:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 22:48:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8119C5842C8346EFAB38305D65181308@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.150 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=cQizYf77TDjI8xHsa5fdT1VqL0X9pHlJN2O6GS5jgo4XL2qkCw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > how did you pass the rds using winamp? > also could you try this and tell me if it works? > also how did you get stereo tool to work with the proper sampling rate? > Hank What I do is to have Stereo Tool bypass Winamp's output plugins entirely an= d directly go to the sound card which goes above and beyond Winamp's limita= tions. This is assuming you have a 24 bit sound card as 16 bit ones will no= t work because of their frequency response limitations. The RDS subcarrier = is around 67 KHz which is within the range of a 24 bit card but outside wha= t a 16 bit card can do. If you launch the FM Transmitter Configuration cont= rol panel in Stereo Tool it will indicate what the current sampling rate is= and it will show whether or not the sound card is able to output the audio= . If it can and you have both RDS and FM stereo (on a mono transmitter only= ) enabled it will say "FM Stereo Pilot Tone: OK!, FM Stereo signal: Probabl= y OK, outputting, and FM RDS signal: Probably OK, outputting" And the sampl= ing rate as being around 172 KHz. Under "Direct Soundcard Access" check the= box that says "Enable Direct Soundcard Access" and then select speakers as= the output device. Also uncheck the low quality/low latency output as this= will help improve the sound quality. The program will show you what your s= ound card supports and if it says 96000 Hz or more in terms of sampling rat= e then its most likely going to work. For RDS I recommend setting the level= around 5.00% because if you go too high it will distort and cause errors i= n the signal which mean decoding problems in order to do this you MUST have= an RDS capable tuner. Processing is more complex than I could possibly exp= lain but experiment a little with the attack and delay settings along with = the post amp outputs in order to get the best possibly sound quality from t= he compressor/limiter. From bratina501@msn.com Sun May 16 15:53:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55962 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 22:53:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 22:53:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 22:53:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2010 22:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2010 22:53:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 22:53:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009601caf519$d1e7d720$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.150 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=LRBRnyrONRhzmKQIJ7vNS0leyHLVMcpa1u2_ocBwXkyxfwq4Vw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > A few errors here- first the AL has no tri-band limiter, that was only on= Alfredo Torrejon's original. Second, Chris Cuff occasionally makes batche= s of these and makes them available on ebay. If there's to be any redesign= it would have to be finding a replacement for the balanced modulator chips= . Those are the ones getting hardest to find. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 This is great news, when these become available either you or Chris should = let me know as I am eager to get on AM as well as FM. Only issue is both 10= 00 KHz and 1250 KHz are occupied in my area (1000 is KOMO and 1250 is KKDZ)= so I would like to get it to operate on 1440 KHz as that seems to be my be= st bet at an open frequency. From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun May 16 15:58:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78402 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 22:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 22:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f171.google.com) (209.85.212.171) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 22:58:41 -0000 X-Received: by pxi8 with SMTP id 8so7913859pxi.2 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:58:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.248.20 with SMTP id v20mr2991682rvh.235.1274050717605; Sun, 16 May 2010 15:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b10sm3632393rvn.3.2010.05.16.15.58.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 May 2010 15:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6008F2A8207B4FBDBD02AC0F5EABF247@mygateway> To: References: Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 15:58:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.171 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=zUrUaYEPwCKzpfCbzY3Jc0HikIMTJqlsfP76dpVoVijhJoaRfCl3 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you in seattle wa? god choice btw ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > A few errors here- first the AL has no tri-band limiter, that was only on Alfredo Torrejon's original. Second, Chris Cuff occasionally makes batches of these and makes them available on ebay. If there's to be any redesign it would have to be finding a replacement for the balanced modulator chips. Those are the ones getting hardest to find. > > Scott Todd > This is great news, when these become available either you or Chris should let me know as I am eager to get on AM as well as FM. Only issue is both 1000 KHz and 1250 KHz are occupied in my area (1000 is KOMO and 1250 is KKDZ) so I would like to get it to operate on 1440 KHz as that seems to be my best bet at an open frequency. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sun May 16 16:33:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32370 invoked from network); 16 May 2010 23:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2010 23:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2010 23:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2010 23:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2010 23:33:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:33:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6008F2A8207B4FBDBD02AC0F5EABF247@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.150 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=2maRjcUpEN3cA9rSNXeQM-2eAHo348FvlbAKRHcp5PzWZVL0mg X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > you in seattle wa? > god choice btw I am close, about 90 miles south but despite the distance KOMO booms in on = 1000 and KKDZ has a good signal on 1250. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 16 17:22:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59957 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 00:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 00:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.86) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 00:22:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34990 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2010 00:22:53 -0000 Message-ID: <975469.34649.qm@web112008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nRgvdscVM1khy_h8OBlp6B29cVM99uxa2CTK4HhuZBaXeMq MDy6pbD5ulgPBCDg7nbVToNalIK4tIrxog_49eAlQn_uw.zKqqmMto.gdbkI Lg3cBGxBL86U.Qs75Icr16GvxzE_W2G4Q1nMkB5X9XSGdAB9z9VjKmoB0BPb g_2JxfDtirpkfBgIKcaKxewiO2n7usAXfxhYbV0IohjwA76tWedahpRpPLoG FmNQWF4VvTb3EmuhEF8N8u0cc9v3EksmvoQ9_vUeFL73KbBtBJwYucN3RP5g 31I9U5CVuCpiqKTUBYU9HfSJT9067JTn.oo1DJqvSRrJE7.BcEGhON6GjseZ bbz6W X-Received: from [209.213.19.65] by web112008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 May 2010 17:22:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 17:22:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_8wN97uxEqccaNyZx70AvAgibYIYxhbWIvjuGc-AM1c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You DO NOT want to use a crystal with these. They are not close enough on frequency to NOT cause a horrible het. But you can purchase a progammable oscillator that will work. I got 4 from Digikey programmed to the frequencies I wanted to try. I have yet to find time to play with these. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: nicholas --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > A few errors here- first the AL has no tri-band limiter, that was only on Alfredo Torrejon's original. Second, Chris Cuff occasionally makes batches of these and makes them available on ebay. If there's to be any redesign it would have to be finding a replacement for the balanced modulator chips. Those are the ones getting hardest to find. > > Scott Todd > This is great news, when these become available either you or Chris should let me know as I am eager to get on AM as well as FM. Only issue is both 1000 KHz and 1250 KHz are occupied in my area (1000 is KOMO and 1250 is KKDZ) so I would like to get it to operate on 1440 KHz as that seems to be my best bet at an open frequency. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sun May 16 17:31:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53283 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 00:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 00:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 00:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 00:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 00:31:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 00:31:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <975469.34649.qm@web112008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.150 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=ksDt8V_8GXQtuWllp8YMSDT01v0mFaExJsMnrHV6Suh3VmucoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > You DO NOT want to use a crystal with these. They are not close enough o= n frequency to NOT cause a horrible het. But you can purchase a progammable= oscillator that will work. I got 4 from Digikey programmed to the frequen= cies I wanted to try. I have yet to find time to play with these.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net How much will it cost because price is critical here, no more than $200 tot= al or I will have to pass it up. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun May 16 17:53:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76711 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 00:53:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 00:53:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f44.google.com) (74.125.83.44) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 00:53:34 -0000 X-Received: by gwb19 with SMTP id 19so2284681gwb.17 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 17:53:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.187.19 with SMTP id k19mr5287174ybf.96.1274057613776; Sun, 16 May 2010 17:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm2749750gxk.2.2010.05.16.17.53.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 May 2010 17:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BF09389.1060101@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:53:29 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=3eKyHB-6kbZk7d3sZmghoEkyEN_bOrXe2IvgSdhutntiPWzt411g2FhVKBIqzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/16/2010 8:31 PM, nicholas wrote: > How much will it cost because price is critical here, no more than > $200 total or I will have to pass it up. If you get a crystal that is a little too Low, you can always polish it up to the correct Freq. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 16 18:21:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15675 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 01:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 01:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 01:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 01:20:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 01:20:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 01:20:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <881f3.7936ad71.39213884@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.91 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Zg2Y72N04nRf5d1-LH7Gxo-q1l9hoqmmUVIoOiPG2I4necj7Kg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Excuse my great ignorance in this specific issue, but I wonder why not to t= ake an Intel PC gnome (central unit IC, Pentium, Celeron, etc.) and use it = directly, without Windows, Linux, or any other intermediate step, to genera= te the RF carrier and modulation process. Nobody has thought about that pos= sibility? I mean, all the clock cycles lost because the Windows internal job are stea= ling your time to get your target, so... we have to kill Windows and use al= l the machine to us. Of course, it is easy to say... another thing is to do it. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > My transmitter generates the C-QUAM signal entirely in the digital domain= .=20=20 > It takes two 12-bit digital words and computes a time domain solution fro= m=20 > the C-QUAM defining equation. It's that simple. >=20 > For any given L and R amplitude, there is a corresponding C-QUAM amplitud= e=20 > and phase. My transmitter uses a form of Chireix modulation which=20 > generates amplitude modulation by modulating the phase between two contin= ous wave=20 > signals. In my transmitter, the phase difference determines the amplitud= e=20 > component of the C-QUAM signal while the common phase shift represents th= e=20 > phase. The ECL engine produces two 5 Vpp square waves which it phase mod= ulates. >=20 > The limiting factor is the speed of the ECL engine. It modulates the=20 > phase out the output signals by counting its clock cycles. The repetitio= n rate=20 > of the output signals is the same as the C-QUAM carrier frequency. Each= =20 > carrier frequency cycle is divided up into 1024 discrete steps allowing t= he ECL=20 > engine to shift the phase of output signals +/- PI radians. This provide= s=20 > 10-bit resolution. The two LSB are used in a hardware dithering circuit = to=20 > give effectively 12-bit audio. All of this occurs strictly in the digita= l=20 > domain which allows for things like carrier reversal which permits=20 > splatter-free supermodulation even in excess of 100% negative modulation. >=20 > The limitation is how many steps the ECL engine can divide the carrier=20 > frequency into. At 10-bit resolution, which is one part in 1024, the eng= ine=20 > runs at just over 1.74 Ghz to produce a 1700 khz CQUAM carrier. That is = the=20 > number of computations which should not be confused with PC clock rates. = On a=20 > PC, each computation would take many machine cycles. >=20 > The transmitter's inputs are digital. The engine generates the 25 hz pil= ot=20 > tone by counting down its own clock and doing a mathematical sine=20 > calculation before digitally adding it at the correct magnitude and out o= f phase to=20 > the digital L and R signals. >=20 > The challenge I have is taking some standard digital audio format and=20 > converting it into something the ECL engine can understand. Right now, t= he=20 > engine accepts two 12-bit words representing the L and R signal at a rate= equal=20 > to 1/4 the CQUAM carrier frequency. It is something that obvious can be= =20 > done, I'm just not smart enough to do it. A 32Mb EPROM can only store ab= out a=20 > 1.4 minutea of audio with a 1700 khz carrier or 5 minutes at 530 khz as t= here=20 > is no compression and the encoding is linear offset binary. >=20 > The outputs of the transmitter can be directly combined and filtered to=20 > provide 500mW PEP. In the alternative, the outputs can drive fiber optic= =20 > transmitters which can be used to drive very large output tubes which are= =20 > operated Class E, on or off. For example, the final RF section of a 50kW= =20 > Ampliphase transmitter, which already has the dual output tubes and phase= combining=20 > network, could be used. The fiber optic link provides many thousands of= =20 > volts of absolute isolation for safety purposes. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 16 18:27:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44006 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 01:27:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 01:27:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 01:27:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 01:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 01:27:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 01:27:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.91 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=RH5Ne2eXlsieN4Zj-X53_JGa6j_0kbjEyD6QFllhJ7rZ0y8uzA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Somebody wrote something about to use C-QUAM AM Stereo at the same time wit= h DRM. I wonder... HOW? DRM use phase modulation to the digital extra signal. How can we separate i= t from the C-QUAM signal? ??? I guess we could use DRM at the same time that ISB AM Stereo. But, we have = to convince the FCC to authorize the ISB AM Stereo with more than 150 Wts o= f final power. Maybe when all the today FCC members are dead, hahahahahaha!= !! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun May 16 18:37:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21970 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 01:37:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 01:37:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.160.178) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 01:37:07 -0000 X-Received: by gyh3 with SMTP id 3so1806965gyh.9 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 18:37:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.133.33 with SMTP id k33mr4785391ann.145.1274060227350; Sun, 16 May 2010 18:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a18sm3419169anl.3.2010.05.16.18.37.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 May 2010 18:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BF09DBE.7070202@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 21:37:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=SKaYQsHq9YU6-EK1UKufnXzWyM4RFwbNTMQM8SPwhg5N3XIFcaSaw-aEKcKGYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/16/2010 9:20 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > I mean, all the clock cycles lost because the Windows internal job are stealing your time to get your target, so... we have to kill Windows and use all the machine to us. > And this is WHY HD and DRM Exciters all run on a Modified version of Linux. The only difference between a DRM and HD-Radio Exciter is the software, and all it would take is a Software change to get C-QUAM, or any other system of Analog Stereo out of the thing. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun May 16 19:43:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7215 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 02:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 02:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 02:42:52 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 02:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 02:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 02:38:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 02:38:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8119C5842C8346EFAB38305D65181308@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Part 15 AM stereo transmitters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=rHJxJ1qZ3HD2pe77TmpBxW08RULHoyJZksn478RcMhd2K7aEIV_6i88 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Isn't there a British company called "Elektor" that has a 'software defined= radio'? I believe you can program it to receive CQUAM by changing the soft= ware, but I don't know where you can get a radio that has the proper I.F. f= requency to work on your computer soundcard. That doesn't help you with the transmitter end though. The ApsiSys C-Quam transmitter from Greece if quite good with precise frequ= ency control and timers. The Alfredo Lite from Christopher Cuff is good to= o, and available only at specific times, and requires a crystal for frequen= cy selection.=20=20 It's going to be difficult to get an inexpensive low-power AM Stereo transm= itter at a low price as they don't make them in China! 73's John From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 16 22:05:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69769 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 05:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 05:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 05:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4H55Zfj028586 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:05:36 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.ca4.629c2556 (37686) for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:05:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB082-93364bf0ce9e7f; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:05:34 -0400 Message-ID: <968.b739d4c.3922289e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 01:05:34 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.197 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=gYLweoQ2m3AREYijUA1UhaanJpdYxMZKyC_oj6Tp0S4cCd_OOm0k665n_YvAkuFu X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/2010 5:54:01 PM Central Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: > This is great news, when these become available either you or Chris > should let me know as I am eager to get on AM as well as FM. Only issue is both > 1000 KHz and 1250 KHz are occupied in my area (1000 is KOMO and 1250 is > KKDZ) so I would like to get it to operate on 1440 KHz as that seems to be my > best bet at an open frequency. > Chris can provide you with another frequency for a small extra cost. A word of advice though. You really want to look into the upper AM or extended broadcast band. The AL is very poorly coupled and you won't get anywhere with a legal antenna farther down on the AM band. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 16 22:11:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69594 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 05:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 05:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 05:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4H5B0O2014652 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:11:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dbf.78c8b66 (34954) for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:10:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA063-888a4bf0cfded1; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 01:10:54 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.197 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dSTEngPk9XZKnx4IcJr11pg92jtn5VsBjorzmjwuU7-uDrhXgYXZZCWe2tKsXepl X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/2010 6:33:31 PM Central Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: > I am close, about 90 miles south but despite the distance KOMO booms in > on 1000 and KKDZ has a good signal on 1250. > KOMO is 50,000 watts nondirectional during the day and one of its two nightime directional lobes is almost due south. With halfwave towers, that's good for 90 miles on 1000 khz. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 16 22:13:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93453 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 05:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 05:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 05:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4H5DKuf006572 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:13:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d39.6e32d2c5 (34957) for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:13:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA066-888d4bf0d06b16f; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 01:13:15 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.197 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=DHXMoEiqWITjSq3BiL4wcmUiJDnkBEfpuyfMU6numNYcBotr9AHQq8cjXpn9K4Qk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/2010 7:31:31 PM Central Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: > How much will it cost because price is critical here, no more than $200 > total or I will have to pass it up. > They are relatively inexpensive. Powell is right. Unless you want to invest some money into tight tolerance rock, you are better off with a programmable oscillator. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 16 22:17:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76696 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 05:17:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 05:17:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 05:17:46 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4H5Hehv019489 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:17:40 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d9b.9e78a17 (34930) for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:17:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA043-88724bf0d17031e; Mon, 17 May 2010 01:17:36 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 01:17:36 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.197 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xS7s8FoY2jzLEJ80MQPly1ckFOIeFfTDoAoDs6cI3Ryt1mun11pMDI4jjV45UEPU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The fastest general purpose processor isn't near fast enough even running pure machine code. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun May 16 23:05:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13500 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 06:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 06:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f180.google.com) (74.125.83.180) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 06:05:54 -0000 X-Received: by pvc7 with SMTP id 7so1891209pvc.39 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 23:05:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.247.24 with SMTP id u24mr2896342wfh.313.1274076354533; Sun, 16 May 2010 23:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y27sm1416968wfi.17.2010.05.16.23.05.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 May 2010 23:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <757C730AA3E242C48FBD29A88A1024B7@mygateway> To: References: Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:05:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.180 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=R3lNj_5d3LPvQbBfitzp9hi9a2M3mML6L0yBYT7IbkL-_AnaP4lW X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable interesting concept what would run it a in beded system a in beded os? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? =20=20=20=20 Excuse my great ignorance in this specific issue, but I wonder why not to= take an Intel PC gnome (central unit IC, Pentium, Celeron, etc.) and use i= t directly, without Windows, Linux, or any other intermediate step, to gene= rate the RF carrier and modulation process. Nobody has thought about that p= ossibility? I mean, all the clock cycles lost because the Windows internal job are st= ealing your time to get your target, so... we have to kill Windows and use = all the machine to us. Of course, it is easy to say... another thing is to do it. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > My transmitter generates the C-QUAM signal entirely in the digital doma= in.=20 > It takes two 12-bit digital words and computes a time domain solution f= rom=20 > the C-QUAM defining equation. It's that simple. >=20 > For any given L and R amplitude, there is a corresponding C-QUAM amplit= ude=20 > and phase. My transmitter uses a form of Chireix modulation which=20 > generates amplitude modulation by modulating the phase between two cont= inous wave=20 > signals. In my transmitter, the phase difference determines the amplitu= de=20 > component of the C-QUAM signal while the common phase shift represents = the=20 > phase. The ECL engine produces two 5 Vpp square waves which it phase mo= dulates. >=20 > The limiting factor is the speed of the ECL engine. It modulates the=20 > phase out the output signals by counting its clock cycles. The repetiti= on rate=20 > of the output signals is the same as the C-QUAM carrier frequency. Each= =20 > carrier frequency cycle is divided up into 1024 discrete steps allowing= the ECL=20 > engine to shift the phase of output signals +/- PI radians. This provid= es=20 > 10-bit resolution. The two LSB are used in a hardware dithering circuit= to=20 > give effectively 12-bit audio. All of this occurs strictly in the digit= al=20 > domain which allows for things like carrier reversal which permits=20 > splatter-free supermodulation even in excess of 100% negative modulatio= n. >=20 > The limitation is how many steps the ECL engine can divide the carrier= =20 > frequency into. At 10-bit resolution, which is one part in 1024, the en= gine=20 > runs at just over 1.74 Ghz to produce a 1700 khz CQUAM carrier. That is= the=20 > number of computations which should not be confused with PC clock rates= . On a=20 > PC, each computation would take many machine cycles. >=20 > The transmitter's inputs are digital. The engine generates the 25 hz pi= lot=20 > tone by counting down its own clock and doing a mathematical sine=20 > calculation before digitally adding it at the correct magnitude and out= of phase to=20 > the digital L and R signals. >=20 > The challenge I have is taking some standard digital audio format and=20 > converting it into something the ECL engine can understand. Right now, = the=20 > engine accepts two 12-bit words representing the L and R signal at a ra= te equal=20 > to 1/4 the CQUAM carrier frequency. It is something that obvious can be= =20 > done, I'm just not smart enough to do it. A 32Mb EPROM can only store a= bout a=20 > 1.4 minutea of audio with a 1700 khz carrier or 5 minutes at 530 khz as= there=20 > is no compression and the encoding is linear offset binary. >=20 > The outputs of the transmitter can be directly combined and filtered to= =20 > provide 500mW PEP. In the alternative, the outputs can drive fiber opti= c=20 > transmitters which can be used to drive very large output tubes which a= re=20 > operated Class E, on or off. For example, the final RF section of a 50k= W=20 > Ampliphase transmitter, which already has the dual output tubes and pha= se combining=20 > network, could be used. The fiber optic link provides many thousands of= =20 > volts of absolute isolation for safety purposes. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun May 16 23:06:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5838 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 06:06:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 06:06:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f175.google.com) (209.85.214.175) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 06:06:51 -0000 X-Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so133954iwn.20 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 23:06:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.126.79 with SMTP id b15mr8815ibs.80.1274076410651; Sun, 16 May 2010 23:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a8sm5210ibi.11.2010.05.16.23.06.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 May 2010 23:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <4BF09DBE.7070202@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:06:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=svoydABAjCw7kj_D-zN3-7FVdR4x6lD0spyPEz_Rl-E-DJvxzDvo X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is needed to create something? what linux system can we get some help any one this is vedrry verry exciting ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:37 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? On 5/16/2010 9:20 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > I mean, all the clock cycles lost because the Windows internal job are stealing your time to get your target, so... we have to kill Windows and use all the machine to us. > And this is WHY HD and DRM Exciters all run on a Modified version of Linux. The only difference between a DRM and HD-Radio Exciter is the software, and all it would take is a Software change to get C-QUAM, or any other system of Analog Stereo out of the thing. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun May 16 23:08:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45248 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 06:08:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 06:08:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f51.google.com) (209.85.160.51) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 06:08:10 -0000 X-Received: by pwj9 with SMTP id 9so1216316pwj.24 for ; Sun, 16 May 2010 23:08:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.201.19 with SMTP id y19mr3271838wff.297.1274076489812; Sun, 16 May 2010 23:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v41sm1417603wfh.21.2010.05.16.23.08.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 May 2010 23:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:08:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 AM stereo transmitters? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=VhZOPxNx_4ZVOCHXlD18QrxGZueiNL7sRyWrM9ep8b_MhYrNpm8w X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what about drm transmitters? do they mk make those in china? am curious ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:38 PM Subject: {AMSF} Part 15 AM stereo transmitters? Isn't there a British company called "Elektor" that has a 'software defined radio'? I believe you can program it to receive CQUAM by changing the software, but I don't know where you can get a radio that has the proper I.F. frequency to work on your computer soundcard. That doesn't help you with the transmitter end though. The ApsiSys C-Quam transmitter from Greece if quite good with precise frequency control and timers. The Alfredo Lite from Christopher Cuff is good too, and available only at specific times, and requires a crystal for frequency selection. It's going to be difficult to get an inexpensive low-power AM Stereo transmitter at a low price as they don't make them in China! 73's John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Mon May 17 00:29:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62085 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 07:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 07:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 07:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 07:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 07:26:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 07:26:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <968.b739d4c.3922289e@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.150 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=whNVs1gy0VCwjpExJ_YFBoHBfFh6_u9ZKlp09pAmebG1yK3cBw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > Chris can provide you with another frequency for a small extra cost. A=20 > word of advice though. You really want to look into the upper AM or exte= nded=20 > broadcast band. The AL is very poorly coupled and you won't get anywhere= =20 > with a legal antenna farther down on the AM band. >=20 > Mike >=20 Taken and heeded, I am looking into what my open frequencies higher up on t= he band are and 1480, 1500, 1560, 1570, 1590, 1660, 1690, and 1700 all look= good. I avoided the adjacents to 1640 because of interference with the IBO= C signal from KDZR. From bratina501@msn.com Mon May 17 00:30:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92822 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 07:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 07:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 07:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 07:30:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 07:30:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 07:30:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 07:30:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.150 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=auL1ZcVLUAoZeLac33VzpdQp4Bkj_8LYoVkKYDQMHYv8TER2ew X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > KOMO is 50,000 watts nondirectional during the day and one of its two=20 > nightime directional lobes is almost due south. With halfwave towers, th= at's=20 > good for 90 miles on 1000 khz. >=20 > Mike >=20 Their signal on AM impresses me but they do have an FM simulcast station th= ese days too on 97.7 but the unfortunate thing is it meant forcing KFMY off= the air. Not sure about ground conductivity but I imagine its so so on ave= rage and nowhere near as good as the midwestern US. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon May 17 08:23:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62662 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 15:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 15:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 15:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 15:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 15:21:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:21:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.205 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=m74QL67pz0bYV4eTo9hPZC4NbHih4c0hoGbDRLzKD38EMiPZhg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Yes, you're right... if you're thinking about to produce the full RF carrie= r (for example 1260 kHz). But... What if we produce the 10th part of the carrier (in the example, jus= t 126 kHz), modulate it, all in the digital domain, and then, only when we = get the target, translate it from the digital to the analog domain and then= multiply it up our final frecuency channel? ??? Multipliers have been working to well, in the analog domain, for a lot of y= ears, so... it isn't a new issue. So... we don't need a super fast processor at all GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > The fastest general purpose processor isn't near fast enough even running= =20 > pure machine code. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon May 17 08:39:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67011 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 15:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 15:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 15:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 15:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 15:36:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:36:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.205 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HYq1WQLtFRcQuF3biVH_3dDSk40dm49l10j5kl_AgY-vNmA3fw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 BTW, just a doubt: up to me, we need 4 times the basic analog frecuency as = sampling rate to get a good, pure, sinusoidal wave shape. So... if we want = to get a minimal 12 kHz of audio bandwidth, we need 48 kHz sampling rate as= minimum. Question: How can we put 192 kHz of audio bandwidth (4 times the = sampling rate, thinking in two audio channels with the minimal loss) into a= 20 kHz typical AM channel bandwidth? ??? In other words... I CAN'T SEE HOW TO GET A GOOD AUDIO WITH ANY DIGITAL SYST= EM IN AM WITHOUT AUDIBLE ARTIFACS. In other words... LEAVE THE AM TO THE OLD GREAT AND AWESOME ANALOG AUDIO, P= LEASE!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > The fastest general purpose processor isn't near fast enough even running= =20 > pure machine code. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 17 11:18:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48911 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 18:15:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 18:15:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.77) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 18:15:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37060 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2010 18:15:48 -0000 Message-ID: <166075.37001.qm@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UGHRRBsVM1mATeL0eqYSsnqIYksfHXcW2NB3eTb1pcvf71S 3mTPrxps7r2OZUlIIA7tlL_qPQX1uAL0otk2m0w25OGkAFCYlR2E82vkWhR4 HKlRTNvFWE4WFaXrsD4g1QuoSUS6hSd.8wIdSv0iQfetClWCo45GvZRUfc1O yp19724p6M0OwOtrwJutAfbCLARkfTyOdLu.hO_nK8PzgwKrdT6RGtCMeBtY dvKsPz5IustjeceqcuQ6D1H.jvEOb87JOwCLCMqe6NG.vIbzF_Tv.MqbjBwH MnsIoQGJBOq1em9E4Isq44YqNh_1T_JFsXTxxwMGMzOE9AeU7Swewd3xI91w LvI4S_TH299Nm3vca9vNt X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 May 2010 11:15:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <4BF09389.1060101@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BF09389.1060101@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Kv-MU2_78-RO9BVaQlr_qqJ3SN6T9uEroRCXtdiwS98 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not=A0really. These come too far off frequency. It's best=A0to order the=A0= oscillator. =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ________________________________ From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 8:53:29 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? On 5/16/2010 8:31 PM, nicholas wrote: > How much will it cost because price is critical here, no more than=20 > $200 total or I will have to pass it up. If you get a crystal that is a little too Low, you can always polish it=20 up to the correct Freq. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 17 11:19:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64903 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 18:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 18:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.84) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 18:16:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26469 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2010 18:15:04 -0000 Message-ID: <377253.25734.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: k1TWN4kVM1nSJydhDEcd57KJwxo7V8MpgKFSGqNpmuDfTNP CmI44GNHOoAFVm1pd96henspy1qwmLVgod8632q8OpkQmrIU0wp2X6TPOhPU 9VDnGeGNJTzxPQ49hz7m4e_I6xao5hWeRRwkNG2wZLlBUaYtvkg72BkeV.g1 b8TcpFBNb9Pi9VGCxLrvoSIEsWNZwwiJZ04ezLTUTeg.TpgqElPptFJC7.T6 7WvnuAs_7i0KC9ZWgsoqErpdQPna0JJ..ylBYoyzSFiipnX1FmtNm5nR4Mvu RW9W8sDGUt3lKoOuX4QXff.8m5oNWK8D.tDwGodQn5N7Y4F9ziYCtos6Jy2m XiXQe X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 May 2010 11:15:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:15:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=xLScT1X1B8qE6Erdxf5t6ai9xBc271qdQiUQWmg6JFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 4 cost me not quite $30. At time of order you have to give them the correct= frequency. I think it's times 4 the frequency.=A0 You CAN NOT program thes= e yourself.=20 Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ________________________________ From: nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 8:31:02 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > You DO NOT want to use a crystal with these.=A0 They are not close enough= on frequency to NOT cause a horrible het. But you can purchase a progammab= le oscillator that will work.=A0 I got 4 from Digikey programmed to the fre= quencies I wanted to try. I have yet to find time to play with these.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=A0 NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads=A0 DOT=A0 =A0 net How much will it cost because price is critical here, no more than $200 tot= al or I will have to pass it up. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 17 12:35:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34194 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 19:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 19:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 19:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 19:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2010 19:34:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:34:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=iXYcJNMbDjjERpngvJhKttI7U_s6heaSFzH1xhX2yXomDIYuD_6ZX4M X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Powell, Do you happen to have the part number and data on these units? Has anyone e= lse tried them in their Alfredo Lite? John "...you can purchase a progammable oscillator that will work. I got 4 from = Digikey programmed to the frequencies I wanted to try..." From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 17 12:38:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98922 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 19:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 19:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.81) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 19:38:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43738 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2010 19:38:15 -0000 Message-ID: <591867.42954.qm@web112003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xYr4FdQVM1l2s8tNDnK5idmTn1StyLEldjKGas9PHfDL5Lu zLIIlFPLOTN45Zui3U3Gd_o6V3Eq_0znILCZ8uzVVXM4rvV3Jipn_4mZv5qB rY0_BAciHX8ojKeRs.QfkSEtKSUImE2p.l9BKwPCqlQcglB9YVSI7i2fV5Dy kPSEYCqGq55xC0y0JJ4eOgpLbcqlgkAlqen5kynv5TpWyNzEPjup4ZQ.2vXa F.WJNEcQiGpA5fuYVElOd0B5LWi0Ah8uqxAhIS8Mw1s2_OPWRzFrtiFDY2zD jmsBeU4UWQ0njK9HyTegBC7ci.29mhHoXi27JrTfmWUBD43fhR7QpQA6rpXa TdjCSfAf22ThSFhLbZzO2 X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 May 2010 12:38:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:38:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.81 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9y736ejs7yl7JFoXF5M-KlRJV7WcC_rgBBFFgL4B5Cc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not at the station. I=A0will check them tonight. Or email Chris. =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ________________________________ From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 3:34:36 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? Powell, Do you happen to have the part number and data on these units? Has anyone e= lse tried them in their Alfredo Lite? John "...you can purchase a progammable oscillator that will work. I got 4 from = Digikey programmed to the frequencies I wanted to try..." ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 17 14:16:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97640 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 21:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 21:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 21:16:24 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4HLGFtV022140 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:16:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d77.9326512 (55719) for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:16:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-md02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD022-d9a74bf1b21c9f; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:16:12 -0400 Message-ID: <33c70.f250dd8.39230c1c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 17:16:12 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tflpfTAoLLEbtJPuaiKQgcCN04-YlobSgqJfHnXr9pL9PEUEzTwFc1TtofDghnvF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, That doesn't really help for two reasons. The reason the processor has to run so fast is to get the audio resolution. Let's say we are working with a 1,000 khz carrier. To get 10-bit audio, we would need to be able to able to control the phase of each of the output signals to within one part in 1024. The processor controls the phase by preloaded two counters (one for each output signal) with a number between 0 and 1023. This allows it the delay the rising edge of the output square wave from 0 to 1.000 microseconds in the time domain corresponding to 0 to 2PI radians in the frequency domain. In order to do that, it must be able to count 1024 times in a microsecond. That works out to 1.024 gigahertz. You are correct in that if the carrier was generated at 100 khz instead of 1.00 Mhz, the processor would only have to run at one tenth the speed to achieve the same resolution. The question becomes how to get a 1 Mhz carrier from a 100 khz carrier? Remember, that in the current design, everything is in the digital domain even the RF output tubes. The two signals are either a 1 or 0, on or off. So there is no amplitude distortion possible. The output tubes run continuous wave Class E in which when they are conducting there is little voltage across them and when they are not conducting there is no current through them. There is nothing in between. So they dissipated very little power which makes for extremely high efficiency. Doing things in the digital domain accomplishes these two critical objectives. If one were to generate a 100 khz carrier, mix, and filter it to get a 1,000 khz carrier, aside from all the analog complexity, there would be amplitude distortion. That's how analog RF mixers work. There would also be a 10:1 reduction in phase resolution. To illustrate this, let's say we can modulate the phase of the 100 khz carrier by 1 part in 1000. Since the period of a 100 khz carrier is 10uS, that would out to 10nS. Mixing the signal to upconvert it doesn't change this. 10ns is only 1 part in 100 for the 1 Mhz carrier. That's not even 7-bit resolution which would not be satisfactory. After doing all of this, you would be left with a low level amplitude signal which would have to undergo several stages of linear amplfication to get to the final output power. That means plenty of opportunity for amplitude distortion and low efficiency as the amplifiers must be run Class B. Broadcast Electronics has a very similar system. Instead of two signal chains that combine at high level, there systems uses a single signal chain. Interesting enough, if the two Ampliphase signals are logically AND'ed, the result is BE's "4Q" single pulse. For a new transmitter design, using the single pulse would make sense. The purpose of the dual signal chains was to retrofit existing Amphiphase transmitters. There are many of these transmitters around as surplus at a reasonable price. Using just the original RF finals and power supply, which was solid state in the later models, a reliable high efficiency high power transmitter could be had. Aside from filament power, its efficiency would rival that of the new designs as would its audio fidelity. I am not certain how BE generates its 4Q pulse. Most likely it is an application specific ultrafast DSP processor custom made for them. I would doubt if it uses off the shelf parts. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 17 14:31:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29052 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 21:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 21:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 21:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4HLV5iN017551 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:31:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dc7.7abfa24 (37691) for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:31:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB087-933b4bf1b597fd; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:31:03 -0400 Message-ID: <34e30.bbc3953.39230f96@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 17:31:02 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0vauqqJEJxkuE8k2Uor98pHIoXnA-RXI04e2dLeQWR0DPKzhUyALHoTRolLN570Y X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/17/2010 10:39:35 AM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > BTW, just a doubt: up to me, we need 4 times the basic analog frecuency > as sampling rate to get a good, pure, sinusoidal wave shape. Actually not. Nyquist tells us we need to sample at least twice the analog frequency to present aliasing. Unlike my primitive transmitter, modern analog digitizing does not use linear encoding. With linear encoding, the signal can slew the entire range in a single clock cycle. Audio doesn't do that, so it can be digitized much more bit-efficiently. How can we put 192 kHz of audio bandwidth (4 times the sampling rate, thinking in two audio channels with the minimal loss) into a 20 kHz typical AM channel bandwidth? ??? The same way the telephone company sends 56Kbps data over a voice grade analog phone line with a 3.5khz bandwidth. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 17 14:31:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30678 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 21:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 21:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 21:31:21 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4HLVGdH011198 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:31:16 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d8f.9c266e5 (37532) for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:31:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB015-929c4bf1b5a12ac; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:31:13 -0400 Message-ID: <34e65.ce1a683.39230fa1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 17:31:13 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ol19mR19MtP07z8eWe-r3EvXqia6xQJA3jggTV-aDBiNkvNF1h5Jjco7lccHFCGd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/17/2010 10:39:35 AM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > BTW, just a doubt: up to me, we need 4 times the basic analog frecuency > as sampling rate to get a good, pure, sinusoidal wave shape. Actually not. Nyquist tells us we need to sample at least twice the analog frequency to present aliasing. Unlike my primitive transmitter, modern analog digitizing does not use linear encoding. With linear encoding, the signal can slew the entire range in a single clock cycle. Audio doesn't do that, so it can be digitized much more bit-efficiently. How can we put 192 kHz of audio bandwidth (4 times the sampling rate, thinking in two audio channels with the minimal loss) into a 20 kHz typical AM channel bandwidth? ??? The same way the telephone company sends 56Kbps data over a voice grade analog phone line with a 3.5khz bandwidth. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 17 14:49:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36614 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 21:49:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 21:49:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 21:49:33 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4HLnPrA013509 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:49:26 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d2f.6441dd92 (37218) for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:49:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA061-91624bf1b9e1281; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:49:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3637a.2895a93b.392313e0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 17:49:20 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KWAXpSPve__MmwARR4uiJnECT5Ioi5NfLocSuHWc2sZG4D1XPwFD_3x6HIT5rXeX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/17/2010 2:30:31 AM Central Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: > Their signal on AM impresses me but they do have an FM simulcast station > these days too on 97.7 but the unfortunate thing is it meant forcing KFMY > off the air. Not sure about ground conductivity but I imagine its so so on > average and nowhere near as good as the midwestern US. Alot of the large clear channel stations are running FM simulcasts but I am not sure why except for additional ad revenue. WWL in New Orleans puts out a monster signal day and night that dwarfs their FM signal. They are talk, so fidelity or stereo isn't an issue. Even though the program is simulcast, each has its own spot ads. As for ground conductivity, salt water beats the best ground conductivity far and away. KFRC in San Francisco has phenomenal coverage for only 5kW nondirectional. Here in the MidSouth, WREC in Memphis doesn't have nearly the same coverage despite similar power, tower, and frequency. KFBK in Sacramento lays down an urban contour in the Bay Area despite its distance and dial disadvantage. Of course, one could roast weenies in the air at KFBK's property line with the field they produce. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 17 14:49:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16739 invoked from network); 17 May 2010 21:49:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2010 21:49:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2010 21:49:44 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4HLnZQE017530 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:49:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bdf.712945b8 (37165) for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:49:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA044-912d4bf1b9ea49; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:49:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3639f.4bc74789.392313e9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 17:49:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Ri0yGIXHjk41DnHdrJ5iouxKCvd9qzHCRigUDpcx6sJDdWUqEd74xpbfLAPj7S-U X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/17/2010 10:39:35 AM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > BTW, just a doubt: up to me, we need 4 times the basic analog frecuency > as sampling rate to get a good, pure, sinusoidal wave shape. Actually not. Nyquist tells us we need to sample at least twice the analog frequency to present aliasing. Unlike my primitive transmitter, modern analog digitizing does not use linear encoding. With linear encoding, the signal can slew the entire range in a single clock cycle. Audio doesn't do that, so it can be digitized much more bit-efficiently. How can we put 192 kHz of audio bandwidth (4 times the sampling rate, thinking in two audio channels with the minimal loss) into a 20 kHz typical AM channel bandwidth? ??? The same way the telephone company sends 56Kbps data over a voice grade analog phone line with a 3.5khz bandwidth. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 17 18:09:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47170 invoked from network); 18 May 2010 01:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2010 01:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.79) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2010 01:09:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18781 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2010 01:09:21 -0000 Message-ID: <760742.17173.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6UOSSwsVM1l73RZXMQ1cy4dtSEBfkZDS1kJcoZ09Vk_hCpU JOCWKUhMcoYNmS2cUb4dEsdOVSTOA8l1Dl.pQs60HTD8HvJp2MInznVJJS5x ahvjL1eZ21iSypFFKQ3IGcn4S7UASHi2nlIXUK7R6VHHfwDN_rre4ztX2rXN Pzfl91CYAsIgBf5wUUpvPVQ44_Fhk_akYqbx6XyW4WYBvcFvePDtqzrLzN6G f6icc4yKrTJZ4idt4fM.9.BEi3_sm8.7I0KkCbs7s2I15l1E.nwdQLVY7_6q JFgd.AY0JZjeH6jyoPuzg8g5ZpVQ2YsQ4kZXW0nO5vmGXOMChTD5RjtU65.I Q_vYRrEje X-Received: from [209.213.19.136] by web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 May 2010 18:09:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:09:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QuIBqcx3rdtnzmUtgYRXyVfTljV0U-F4OjwmzJ10kk8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ECS-P85-B-ND Mfg part # ECS-UPO-8PIN NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: toledohamradio Powell, Do you happen to have the part number and data on these units? Has anyone else tried them in their Alfredo Lite? John "...you can purchase a progammable oscillator that will work. I got 4 from Digikey programmed to the frequencies I wanted to try..." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 17 20:42:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61288 invoked from network); 18 May 2010 03:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2010 03:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.84) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2010 03:42:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33337 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2010 03:41:55 -0000 Message-ID: <481282.33294.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Lr2igJkVM1lq2QiPqPUizftEXGZLvgFtoUxne2hTqFLHqgw x6MwPfEgkatWD0R32PpYCH4fxXHsc_wnf30NMjN8HDKfTaYamEXnL9sMd2y1 ez_o1evCNtYzaeROJOg_gBIrstlFgXMNCMNtakuCbZrn8RTJ3YuLVlZsMqDt VQpus.Nt8fc4Xf_gz3bwWRFuWWCmz7Cev3BaOOuKajeGDOPMf8gJ1VKcHO8c Wa7vedmd56pt8ul.UcuWKi5s9O2FqOFvH2UH.JQqrpIAt_IaJl7TYJ.FDFJC .k1BcZ5JKa162rpnNULIgrBmGB4F3fHRzRimzmOJ.QSbvbnpeHNaGp5CXIjM F80A- X-Received: from [209.213.19.111] by web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 May 2010 20:41:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <760742.17173.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:41:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <760742.17173.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=2LSDFGXKejRgZ8n08cU9FAXFxaAXX9si2NAcc87yHOk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I fired the new AL up with the 1000 kilohertz oscillator and it's right on. So I can listen to it without a nasty beat note. I have not tried the others yet. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ ECS-P85-B-ND Mfg part # ECS-UPO-8PIN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon May 17 22:55:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92286 invoked from network); 18 May 2010 05:55:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2010 05:55:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f173.google.com) (74.125.83.173) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2010 05:55:22 -0000 X-Received: by pvg6 with SMTP id 6so488269pvg.18 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 22:55:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.24.11 with SMTP id b11mr4341868wfj.215.1274162121764; Mon, 17 May 2010 22:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e40sm1969359wfj.23.2010.05.17.22.55.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 May 2010 22:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <377253.25734.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:55:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=aJx2640PUMJD8f7RhzcdGzPKy32Ck6Cxns3ZHbSTbt26tFzPOE-C X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what website? ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? 4 cost me not quite $30. At time of order you have to give them the correct frequency. I think it's times 4 the frequency. You CAN NOT program these yourself. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 8:31:02 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > You DO NOT want to use a crystal with these. They are not close enough on frequency to NOT cause a horrible het. But you can purchase a progammable oscillator that will work. I got 4 from Digikey programmed to the frequencies I wanted to try. I have yet to find time to play with these. > > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net How much will it cost because price is critical here, no more than $200 total or I will have to pass it up. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon May 17 23:02:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18569 invoked from network); 18 May 2010 06:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2010 06:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f193.google.com) (209.85.222.193) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2010 06:02:16 -0000 X-Received: by pzk31 with SMTP id 31so3247486pzk.16 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 23:02:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.3.5 with SMTP id 5mr117436wfc.169.1274162535933; Mon, 17 May 2010 23:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u18sm1967619wfh.19.2010.05.17.23.02.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 May 2010 23:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 23:02:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: am and fm ampifiyers? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=iQ1tLL3z9XOpdExKIQVJPuIGWVi6yVifYf1Dl2wA7w_CiejMGsnC X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello out of curiousity where would you ge get am and fm ampilfyers from? Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon May 17 23:02:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26991 invoked from network); 18 May 2010 06:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2010 06:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f174.google.com) (209.85.212.174) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2010 06:02:52 -0000 X-Received: by pxi18 with SMTP id 18so146847pxi.5 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 23:02:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.85.5 with SMTP id n5mr4152796wfl.161.1274162572134; Mon, 17 May 2010 23:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm1967195wfg.2.2010.05.17.23.02.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 May 2010 23:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 23:02:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.174 From: "hank smith" Subject: broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=b47QpiJvXXRuE7X6e-VXiKDxB2J6xTmnm-mB360prYSLH0DF1V5T X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello how easy is to get a station on the cable system? either fta or something threw the cable system? Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon May 17 23:04:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83098 invoked from network); 18 May 2010 06:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2010 06:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f49.google.com) (209.85.160.49) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2010 06:04:03 -0000 X-Received: by pwi10 with SMTP id 10so129040pwi.36 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 23:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.87.5 with SMTP id p5mr3982174wfl.221.1274162643535; Mon, 17 May 2010 23:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s21sm1970375wff.12.2010.05.17.23.04.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 May 2010 23:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <34e65.ce1a683.39230fa1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 23:04:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=hUNeOB4ikEHCQdiUkQnLk8Vd3_h7pt6LH0ZfERttGFzOFYwXJr0S X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how do they do that? am curious seriously I have allways wondered that ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? In a message dated 5/17/2010 10:39:35 AM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > BTW, just a doubt: up to me, we need 4 times the basic analog frecuency > as sampling rate to get a good, pure, sinusoidal wave shape. Actually not. Nyquist tells us we need to sample at least twice the analog frequency to present aliasing. Unlike my primitive transmitter, modern analog digitizing does not use linear encoding. With linear encoding, the signal can slew the entire range in a single clock cycle. Audio doesn't do that, so it can be digitized much more bit-efficiently. How can we put 192 kHz of audio bandwidth (4 times the sampling rate, thinking in two audio channels with the minimal loss) into a 20 kHz typical AM channel bandwidth? ??? The same way the telephone company sends 56Kbps data over a voice grade analog phone line with a 3.5khz bandwidth. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue May 18 07:11:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45450 invoked from network); 18 May 2010 14:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2010 14:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.79) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2010 14:11:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27461 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2010 14:11:40 -0000 Message-ID: <572706.26194.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3IHf70kVM1nzyt4UP1LP56QmIg.H22qE64iyGvDA79Fy4Qt 8ryi6ArhwzeARRmfY44OkKA6QQ1Yc9YuOG7qIENPfzv_oyaS0MwAi13dZgsy zoFQuKFw6U4EjZrzxJLFlYoxb0XAHSlSinD4rt.TLledvqv5EcPfFj.WQbkR JtEtozjl4WzBMqxjgcrjQGx2uxOdPWg4lKaqHjaMA14C_9IYtFojqgHjSKGU IuK5Rbv5ZLQRrRRUZvTsk1tLkJWt3bjwkyetzOaWt.2XgR3qnAhoyIVOMRlg zBMBcuvukK.WpVKWBprn9ZHPy59YKIC334bIkxcn5augQ6E0L4EbrnRGI8OA lmA2r X-Received: from [209.213.19.129] by web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 May 2010 07:11:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <377253.25734.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=SGm23FmBB58JeYc6KViTt0zsHWNSVrrwXXI6gfpdFKw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Digi Key NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 1:55:19 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? what website? ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? 4 cost me not quite $30. At time of order you have to give them the correct frequency. I think it's times 4 the frequency. You CAN NOT program these yourself. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 8:31:02 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > You DO NOT want to use a crystal with these. They are not close enough on frequency to NOT cause a horrible het. But you can purchase a progammable oscillator that will work. I got 4 from Digikey programmed to the frequencies I wanted to try. I have yet to find time to play with these. > > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net How much will it cost because price is critical here, no more than $200 total or I will have to pass it up. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 18 18:19:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42129 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 01:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 01:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 01:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4J1IKe0028133 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 21:18:22 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.cbe.6217f123 (37519) for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 21:18:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d25.mail.aol.com (magic-d25.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.159]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA084-928f4bf33c5a5b; Tue, 18 May 2010 21:18:18 -0400 Message-ID: <8dd04.6b173ca3.3924965a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:18:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.159 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UySj-wBJgl2CkwbJa1MlqBwmSiEiwVEA8dmdje_biPc3HvtK48GZTDbXZoDqSVba X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Around here, not much. Many cable companies have unused modulators. You would have to pay the cost of a couple of telco lines to the cable company's headend. If you have advertising and make any money, the cable company may want a taste. However, despite the fact we are a relatively small isolated community, more people here have lately seen Elvis at Huddle House than have FM radios connected to the cable system. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 18 18:21:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78269 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 01:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 01:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 01:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4J1LPvW022760 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 21:21:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.cdb.6f962b4c (37049) for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 21:21:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d25.mail.aol.com (magic-d25.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.159]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB037-90b94bf33d10bc; Tue, 18 May 2010 21:21:20 -0400 Message-ID: <8dfb2.69a4a03e.39249710@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:21:20 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.159 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am and fm ampifiyers? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MShymgI46CeUcaY_1_weEtSz_cnsAeyUmGyTp_WD76J-F1wOnSDkpAk3JAmYEHTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/18/2010 1:02:24 AM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > hello out of curiousity where would you ge get am and fm ampilfyers from? > Call you local FCC field office and tell them what you are looking for and why. They should be able to direct you. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue May 18 19:44:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8839 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 02:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 02:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f171.google.com) (74.125.83.171) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 02:44:25 -0000 X-Received: by pvc30 with SMTP id 30so1152698pvc.30 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 19:44:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.121.9 with SMTP id t9mr5456509wfc.152.1274237065066; Tue, 18 May 2010 19:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w39sm2431481wfh.3.2010.05.18.19.44.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 May 2010 19:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <309DA18B30734E6392FFFD367F1F7082@mygateway> To: References: <8dd04.6b173ca3.3924965a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 19:44:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=KML3U_YqPkPlaJMMWM3G54FY3I0jGx7sJVFY2dbHaUmzrnf-nnkT X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit who do I contact to find out if there is any unused modulaters? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 6:18 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? Around here, not much. Many cable companies have unused modulators. You would have to pay the cost of a couple of telco lines to the cable company's headend. If you have advertising and make any money, the cable company may want a taste. However, despite the fact we are a relatively small isolated community, more people here have lately seen Elvis at Huddle House than have FM radios connected to the cable system. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 18 20:03:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22166 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 03:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 03:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 03:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4J335vx021774 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 23:03:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c0c.7f078c13 (43827) for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 23:03:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d23.mail.aol.com (magic-d23.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.157]) by cia-dc01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC018-ab334bf354e4ce; Tue, 18 May 2010 23:03:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3b031.2d4bac0d.3924aee4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 23:03:00 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.157 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=JayCE__dmvumiY65uHcN8yayGIQgCe_b4DI9VWP1zbksjGda-lq1tyOiZ-xUp1g_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/18/2010 9:44:32 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > who do I contact to find out if there is any unused modulaters? > The cable TV operator. Tell them what you want to do. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue May 18 20:26:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94284 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 03:26:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 03:26:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f49.google.com) (74.125.83.49) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 03:26:39 -0000 X-Received: by gwaa12 with SMTP id a12so2814069gwa.8 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 20:26:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.244.10 with SMTP id r10mr1578976ybh.414.1274239599201; Tue, 18 May 2010 20:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g3sm61868727ybh.16.2010.05.18.20.26.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 May 2010 20:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BF35A6E.3020805@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 23:26:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <3b031.2d4bac0d.3924aee4@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3b031.2d4bac0d.3924aee4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Fp3o8Fgj8xieulgvGKUvmbdTA3mJ43y9K79O3wj6o1dSXakRvv_bMZmIoexm7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/18/2010 11:03 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The cable TV operator. Tell them what you want to do. Or just couple a transmitter to your Cable Lines...Oops, I am being BAD again. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jmrouse@mail.com Tue May 18 20:40:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97055 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 03:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 03:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 03:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4J3eUQu029688 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 23:40:30 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bbb.6e77c901 (55836) for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 23:40:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.102]) by cia-md06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD064-b2934bf35da9286; Tue, 18 May 2010 23:40:26 -0400 X-Received: from web-mmc-m01 (web-mmc-m01.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.134]) by smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME013-b2934bf35da9286; Tue, 18 May 2010 23:40:25 -0400 References: <3b031.2d4bac0d.3924aee4@aol.com> <4BF35A6E.3020805@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 23:40:25 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.185.14.95 In-Reply-To: <4BF35A6E.3020805@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 31650-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.14.95 by web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.134) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 May 2010 23:40:25 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCC51C26D436FC-1260-10B@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=vrI8alDo_zpeDHLLv9ExTSndq5DpByDo7YzQkcnyeXvNBibCR8qZ X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Naah! That's not being bad, that's just..... ummm.... curiosity. You know, like a science experiment. No animals will be harmed. -----Original Message----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:26 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? On 5/18/2010 11:03 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: The cable TV operator. Tell them what you want to do. Or just couple a transmitter to your Cable Lines...Oops, I am being BAD gain. -- 3, evin Raper J4HYD E WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Tue May 18 20:58:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33258 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 03:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 03:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 03:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4J3wKTJ026037 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 23:58:20 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e24.78265a4 (55734) for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 23:58:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.168]) by cia-md04.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD041-b22f4bf361d524b; Tue, 18 May 2010 23:58:15 -0400 X-Received: from web-mmc-m01 (web-mmc-m01.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.134]) by smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE014-b22f4bf361d524b; Tue, 18 May 2010 23:58:13 -0400 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 23:58:13 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.185.14.95 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 31650-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.14.95 by web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.134) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 May 2010 23:58:12 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCC51EA3224D70-1260-1B7@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=egGObuvnaSUXEAO2Q0QpWKqDTgU1Q1d70tR6nsw1P2r06mzxaCGN X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if you would really be happy W/ the Ramsey AM unit.? I have heard there is not much audio above 3 khz.? That was a couple of years ago.? I dont know if they are any better now. ? If you want real sound quality, like 20 to 20 khz (yes you did read correctly), check out the following link.? Too bad it is not stereo (sniff, heavy sigh) ? http://www.sstran.com/ ? Radioguy50c5 -----Original Message----- From: nicholas <bratina501@msn.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 9:54 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? > "Production" is a matter of perspective. Most of the parts on the board I > have are in deep obsolescence. It's easier to find tubes for my 1941 Zenith > 10A1 than to find the ICs used on the Alfredo Lite. > > It would be great if someone could update the design and perhaps lay out a > new board. About 75% of the board is a tri-band compression limiter. There > isn't that much to the actual transmitter portion of the board. > > Most likely the board is out of production is that it is illegal to > manufacture and sell this kind of device. > > Mike Darn, if it were possible to synthesize C-QUAM AM stereo I could get the more commonly available Ramsey transmitter and use that instead. But for me its stereo or NOTHING as there is an extreme drought of it in my area. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue May 18 21:22:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11935 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 04:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 04:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 04:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 04:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 04:21:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 04:21:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33c70.f250dd8.39230c1c@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.207 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pYwpMv7_YiCs6uBwzxsKv5FKOeZF1hjPalhgziGRIpTyXvNTnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Interesting point!!! Can you give me more information, please? (Some paper in the web or somethi= ng else) GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > That doesn't really help for two reasons.=20=20 >=20 > The reason the processor has to run so fast is to get the audio resolutio= n.=20 > Let's say we are working with a 1,000 khz carrier. To get 10-bit audio,= =20 > we would need to be able to able to control the phase of each of the outp= ut=20 > signals to within one part in 1024. The processor controls the phase by= =20 > preloaded two counters (one for each output signal) with a number between= 0 and=20 > 1023. This allows it the delay the rising edge of the output square wave= =20 > from 0 to 1.000 microseconds in the time domain corresponding to 0 to 2PI= =20 > radians in the frequency domain. In order to do that, it must be able to= count=20 > 1024 times in a microsecond. That works out to 1.024 gigahertz. >=20 > You are correct in that if the carrier was generated at 100 khz instead o= f=20 > 1.00 Mhz, the processor would only have to run at one tenth the speed to= =20 > achieve the same resolution. The question becomes how to get a 1 Mhz car= rier=20 > from a 100 khz carrier? Remember, that in the current design, everything= is=20 > in the digital domain even the RF output tubes. The two signals are eith= er=20 > a 1 or 0, on or off. So there is no amplitude distortion possible. The= =20 > output tubes run continuous wave Class E in which when they are conductin= g=20 > there is little voltage across them and when they are not conducting ther= e is no=20 > current through them. There is nothing in between. So they dissipated=20 > very little power which makes for extremely high efficiency. Doing thing= s in=20 > the digital domain accomplishes these two critical objectives. >=20 > If one were to generate a 100 khz carrier, mix, and filter it to get a=20 > 1,000 khz carrier, aside from all the analog complexity, there would be=20 > amplitude distortion. That's how analog RF mixers work. There would als= o be a 10:1=20 > reduction in phase resolution. To illustrate this, let's say we can=20 > modulate the phase of the 100 khz carrier by 1 part in 1000. Since the p= eriod of=20 > a 100 khz carrier is 10uS, that would out to 10nS. Mixing the signal to= =20 > upconvert it doesn't change this. 10ns is only 1 part in 100 for the 1 M= hz=20 > carrier. That's not even 7-bit resolution which would not be satisfactor= y. > After doing all of this, you would be left with a low level amplitude=20 > signal which would have to undergo several stages of linear amplfication = to get=20 > to the final output power. That means plenty of opportunity for amplitud= e=20 > distortion and low efficiency as the amplifiers must be run Class B. >=20 > Broadcast Electronics has a very similar system. Instead of two signal=20 > chains that combine at high level, there systems uses a single signal cha= in.=20=20 > Interesting enough, if the two Ampliphase signals are logically AND'ed, t= he=20 > result is BE's "4Q" single pulse. For a new transmitter design, using t= he=20 > single pulse would make sense. The purpose of the dual signal chains was= to=20 > retrofit existing Amphiphase transmitters. There are many of these=20 > transmitters around as surplus at a reasonable price. Using just the ori= ginal RF=20 > finals and power supply, which was solid state in the later models, a rel= iable=20 > high efficiency high power transmitter could be had. Aside from filament= =20 > power, its efficiency would rival that of the new designs as would its au= dio=20 > fidelity. >=20 > I am not certain how BE generates its 4Q pulse. Most likely it is an=20 > application specific ultrafast DSP processor custom made for them. I wou= ld doubt=20 > if it uses off the shelf parts. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue May 18 21:28:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20473 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 04:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 04:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 04:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 04:25:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 04:25:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 04:25:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CCC51EA3224D70-1260-1B7@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.207 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TxYvv7tbwk6-TP02tBQhlFRMQDjuU3hHp5NVpAszx3z3XaF1yg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Interesting device!!! Maybe, (just a crazy idea), we could use it joined with the Aspisys unit to= get a full C-QUAM Stereo TX first stage (I mean, we could use an amplifier= to raise the signal to up 100 or more Watts). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jmrouse@... wrote: > > I don't know if you would really be happy W/ the Ramsey AM unit.? I have = heard there is not much audio above 3 khz.? That was a couple of years ago.= ? I dont know if they are any better now. > ? > If you want real sound quality, like 20 to 20 khz (yes you did read corre= ctly), check out the following link.? Too bad it is not stereo (sniff, heav= y sigh) > ? > http://www.sstran.com/ > ? > Radioguy50c5 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: nicholas bratina501@... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 9:54 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > > "Production" is a matter of perspective. Most of the parts on the = board I=20=20 > > have are in deep obsolescence. It's easier to find tubes for my 19= 41 Zenith=20=20 > > 10A1 than to find the ICs used on the Alfredo Lite.=20 > >=20=20 > > It would be great if someone could update the design and perhaps l= ay out a=20=20 > > new board. About 75% of the board is a tri-band compression limite= r. There=20=20 > > isn't that much to the actual transmitter portion of the board.=20 > >=20=20 > > Most likely the board is out of production is that it is illegal t= o=20=20 > > manufacture and sell this kind of device.=20 > >=20=20 > > Mike=20 >=20=20 > Darn, if it were possible to synthesize C-QUAM AM stereo I could get the = more=20=20 > commonly available Ramsey transmitter and use that instead. But for me it= s=20=20 > stereo or NOTHING as there is an extreme drought of it in my area.=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > ------------------------------------=20 >=20=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at:=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links=20 >=20=20 > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/=20 >=20=20 > <*> Your email settings:=20 > Individual Email | Traditional=20 >=20=20 > <*> To change settings online go to:=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join=20 > (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to:=20 > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mchanez@bresnan.net Tue May 18 21:35:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: mchanez@bresnan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98765 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 04:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 04:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 04:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 04:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 04:34:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 04:34:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 174.44.89.107 From: "rfb_2007" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=445571190; y=17qM9-JVxe-rgZ4vx9NRWYL9iUswgqVXlOlhI78CpTMXwXs X-Yahoo-Profile: rfb_2007 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Interesting device!!! >=20 > Maybe, (just a crazy idea), we could use it joined with the Aspisys unit = to get a full C-QUAM Stereo TX first stage (I mean, we could use an amplifi= er to raise the signal to up 100 or more Watts). >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love Why would you do that? Aspisys just released a 100 watt puppy that uses an = improved version of the small 100mw unit. Soon to follow an even higher pow= ered unit...something like 500 watts or so. RFB From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 18 21:37:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52691 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 04:37:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 04:37:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 04:37:43 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4J4bZhr028713 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 00:37:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c22.7f432e1e (37047) for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 00:37:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d22.mail.aol.com (magic-d22.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.138]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB035-90b74bf36b0a170; Wed, 19 May 2010 00:37:30 -0400 Message-ID: <9643d.6d19b818.3924c50a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 00:37:30 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.138 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=C4uz6WVu1uSS0inGnYDa_Ojns6LqoyhqFBlhSPgZNng36qI3JQL6Ovr3n4INcUcn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suppose the Ramsey is "legal" because it is a kit. I like their oscillographs. Compare theirs at 115% and mine at 125%. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue May 18 21:51:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58902 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 04:51:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 04:51:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 04:51:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 04:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 04:50:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 04:50:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.207 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Low bit rate audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vgYTMikUcByfN7ZT-8MKNR8pPPgwi-SELOxmi3Thj4z27nYZwg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! To help to understand the basic problem, I uploaded to the Files menu a low= bit rate compressed audio file ("Yesterday", a Beatles song) to show the a= udio quality problem (the background noise and distortion due to the poor r= esolution). Please, look for the file and listen it. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue May 18 21:58:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27357 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 04:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 04:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 04:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 04:58:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 04:58:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 04:58:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.207 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ZisRxZ1LsAaKw9Y7MIlNgplZWngIb25A3fmdXPjnlJriOVmn0w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "rfb_2007" wrote: > > Why would you do that? Aspisys just released a 100 watt puppy that uses a= n improved version of the small 100mw unit. Soon to follow an even higher p= owered unit...something like 500 watts or so. >=20 > RFB > 100 Wts out? Really? It is a great notice!!! Thanks for the data!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From rfb_2007@yahoo.com Tue May 18 22:05:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfb_2007@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4373 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 05:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 05:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 05:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 05:04:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 05:04:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 05:04:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 174.44.89.107 From: "rfb_2007" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=445571191; y=B08Lg6sUixC3mJ3zW2ggGpOtcH9S_Lkhczo_h86NuHT-9c4 X-Yahoo-Profile: rfb_2007 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > 100 Wts out? Really? It is a great notice!!! Thanks for the data!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Yes. Here is the link to the unit on their website. http://www.aspisys.com/asm100.htm RFB From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue May 18 22:40:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17363 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 05:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 05:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f50.google.com) (209.85.160.50) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 05:40:11 -0000 X-Received: by pwj4 with SMTP id 4so661982pwj.23 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 22:40:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.66.23 with SMTP id o23mr1825274wfa.321.1274247611267; Tue, 18 May 2010 22:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x34sm2512809wfi.16.2010.05.18.22.40.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 May 2010 22:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <21B1419C69AB488F8F34D04F2E06C83D@mygateway> To: References: <3b031.2d4bac0d.3924aee4@aol.com> <4BF35A6E.3020805@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:40:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.50 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=3x4RrgsIW5kg2jof-fvO9HEsCRtoXFELmNJmQWbCndtUE-nq9HcE X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmmmmmm can you can you tell me more? off list or on list or something? dididn't know o you could couple a transmitter to the able lines. I am serious if that was covered in ham radio school I should be so ashamed of myself anyways can some one let me know Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? On 5/18/2010 11:03 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The cable TV operator. Tell them what you want to do. Or just couple a transmitter to your Cable Lines...Oops, I am being BAD again. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue May 18 22:42:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65803 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 05:42:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 05:42:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f175.google.com) (209.85.212.175) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 05:42:00 -0000 X-Received: by pxi14 with SMTP id 14so3299333pxi.20 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 22:41:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.118.2 with SMTP id q2mr5406822wfc.114.1274247661190; Tue, 18 May 2010 22:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h18sm2512572wfg.13.2010.05.18.22.40.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 May 2010 22:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BB385716ECC41AAA496EAFF556BB676@mygateway> To: References: <3b031.2d4bac0d.3924aee4@aol.com> <4BF35A6E.3020805@gmail.com> <8CCC51C26D436FC-1260-10B@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:40:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=21QCukBYVNlcIHrZ7YkeQ1D0F0P1_2MPRgjzZt_fQq57Ol4nNHWK X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit exactly Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jmrouse@mail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? Naah! That's not being bad, that's just..... ummm.... curiosity. You know, like a science experiment. No animals will be harmed. -----Original Message----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:26 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? On 5/18/2010 11:03 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: The cable TV operator. Tell them what you want to do. Or just couple a transmitter to your Cable Lines...Oops, I am being BAD gain. -- 3, evin Raper J4HYD E WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed May 19 07:04:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64813 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 14:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 14:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f47.google.com) (74.125.83.47) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 14:03:59 -0000 X-Received: by gwj19 with SMTP id 19so878534gwj.6 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:02:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.28.8 with SMTP id f8mr9154084ybj.90.1274277778935; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a26sm918230ybd.17.2010.05.19.07.02.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 07:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BF3EF90.20905@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:02:56 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8CCC51EA3224D70-1260-1B7@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CCC51EA3224D70-1260-1B7@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=0UO2Ke76ZkoHk7tX5DnBdlWLckZIzGPS_2PI2cIPNidr_xXhNR81PQrUwMw8Cw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/18/2010 11:58 PM, jmrouse@mail.com wrote: > I don't know if you would really be happy W/ the Ramsey AM unit.? I have heard there is not much audio above 3 khz.? That was a couple of years ago.? I dont know if they are any better now. > Yes, they are CRAP. You are better off modding a Talking House Transmitter. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed May 19 07:14:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55005 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 14:14:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 14:14:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f51.google.com) (74.125.83.51) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 14:14:23 -0000 X-Received: by gwb17 with SMTP id 17so62528gwb.38 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:14:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.160.8 with SMTP id i8mr9591759ybe.395.1274278457267; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g3sm990372ybh.16.2010.05.19.07.14.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 07:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BF3F239.4040003@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:14:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <3b031.2d4bac0d.3924aee4@aol.com> <4BF35A6E.3020805@gmail.com> <21B1419C69AB488F8F34D04F2E06C83D@mygateway> In-Reply-To: <21B1419C69AB488F8F34D04F2E06C83D@mygateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Ewc7rMdhsI-Hcu7ldNbjAFGlexvDFPibcWi61DwAcHqInrR3V_4MVgjUNob3iA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/19/2010 1:40 AM, hank smith wrote: > can you can you tell me more? > off list or on list or something? dididn't know o you could couple a transmitter to the able lines. > You use as big of an AM transmitter as you dare and build a coupling network to couple it to the Cable TV line coming in your home. I did that a few years ago and you could hear it on a car radio in about half of the town before the signal got so weak the power line noise wiped it out. LOL > I am serious > if that was covered in ham radio school I should be so ashamed of myself > Doing crap like that would NEVER be covered in a Ham Radio class. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 19 09:47:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12465 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 16:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 16:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 16:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4JGl0WV001124 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:47:01 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e31.78fdf0e (37057) for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:46:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m21.mail.aol.com (magic-m21.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.194]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB043-90c14bf416002ca; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:46:57 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 12:46:56 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.194 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=74yDtCkKwimk6_SBw1PA0p7nqGlhIHabuGLYsCtK3LtfD2ZNalqcixLGERAY3G-G X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a mighty nice looking transmitter. Anyone know how it generates the C-QUAM signal? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 19 09:49:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97744 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 16:49:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 16:49:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 16:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4JGnZsZ005973 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:49:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e25.78ff2ce (37545) for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:49:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m21.mail.aol.com (magic-m21.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.194]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB026-92a94bf4169d60; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:49:33 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 12:49:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.194 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=W_ffjKgF4Wu_NZuxJl-g2pDvezDOgBBc7caxcV39VvmmYdNL5TfvF78C7_rjkoUX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wouldn't recommend it. Although our cable system is bi-directional, it is not analog bi-directional. Incidentally, tampering with a public utility is now considered an act of terrorism in our state. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 19 09:52:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73828 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 16:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 16:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 16:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4JGpjv9027417 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:51:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dc5.7e82066 (37578) for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:51:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m21.mail.aol.com (magic-m21.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.194]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB053-92ca4bf4171d250; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:51:41 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 12:51:40 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.194 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=gK51yK4QVS3AMFvM-aR9XxYDDxFS4diBdlFflFVaPsY-DkrVkKrtO-YLVDfiLwgP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/19/2010 9:14:38 AM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > Doing crap like that would NEVER be covered in a Ham Radio class. > > He didn't say what country it was in. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed May 19 11:04:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50151 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 18:04:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 18:04:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f53.google.com) (74.125.83.53) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 18:04:13 -0000 X-Received: by gwb19 with SMTP id 19so3624388gwb.40 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.117.13 with SMTP id u13mr137623ybm.405.1274292192394; Wed, 19 May 2010 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g3sm2581757ybh.4.2010.05.19.11.03.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 11:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BF427E0.4030306@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:03:12 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.53 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=BlFM6I-5P9PdfVJUyKGDFRg3Sa6SH8hJCcz23kf58vmt7wYOIwzgXSrK9Qa3-g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/19/2010 12:51 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > He didn't say what country it was in. He is in the Kingdom of Arizona. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed May 19 11:43:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66201 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 18:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 18:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.82) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 18:42:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5694 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2010 18:42:59 -0000 Message-ID: <591380.4946.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RBdbeGwVM1nbMfNqEEcWVSRZSgWWxedYXvSklHWVXplpq5. HNBrR6Lo_k3hmvK7dHh35oLhZehIB6GAPgO4vmVR6_dw4i7hTWykAQ9YQY7I QV.OGt73lz8uAzGlaL_TPGmQAtrYpISmiXCSQ_G0wZdmdsfKX.r7C6S1yVYh mGT3nXo8KcN1fY8.437IZwPd3ENdjvH_Nx0N00_4.vS25xeaIqU5PlITPzfd v8IsXoyRkphK3c0rmRMjgKh2Us.aAv1bPnuuVzfis_GhoY4A6nQyIkcyR.Pk pOlNlvn8Y_xLNZI5h9vB9fmiKY.XRZE5OPVKBDl2jz_.UTtwyJAKRgxIzYHT XSTBG X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 May 2010 11:42:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <8CCC51EA3224D70-1260-1B7@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:42:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CCC51EA3224D70-1260-1B7@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9wzVhSaWcdsCJH1QEK5WMrjRde1iLywQjfQNeKVUZvY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The real problem is it isn't crystal controlled or PLL so you can only get = sorta=A0kinda close almost to the frequency you want.=A0=20 Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ________________________________ From: "jmrouse@mail.com" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:58:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? I don't know if you would really be happy W/ the Ramsey AM unit.? I have he= ard there is not much audio above 3 khz.? That was a couple of years ago.? = I dont know if they are any better now. ? If you want real sound quality, like 20 to 20 khz (yes you did read correct= ly), check out the following link.? Too bad it is not stereo (sniff, heavy = sigh) ? http://www.sstran.com/ ? Radioguy50c5 -----Original Message----- From: nicholas <bratina501@msn.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 9:54 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? >=A0 "Production" is a matter of perspective. Most of the parts on the b= oard I=A0=20 >=A0 have are in deep obsolescence. It's easier to find tubes for my 194= 1 Zenith=A0=20 >=A0 10A1 than to find the ICs used on the Alfredo Lite.=20 >=A0=20 >=A0 It would be great if someone could update the design and perhaps la= y out a=A0=20 >=A0 new board. About 75% of the board is a tri-band compression limiter= . There=A0=20 >=A0 isn't that much to the actual transmitter portion of the board.=20 >=A0=20 >=A0 Most likely the board is out of production is that it is illegal to= =A0=20 >=A0 manufacture and sell this kind of device.=20 >=A0=20 >=A0 Mike=20 Darn, if it were possible to synthesize C-QUAM AM stereo I could get the mo= re=A0=20 commonly available Ramsey transmitter and use that instead. 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed May 19 11:43:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72791 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 18:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 18:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 18:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 18:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 18:33:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:33:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.158 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Yo66alBb23Mwx7kMknYjnOKiIMF7-bJStgpi7_TPX7TKyM4dtw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I guess it is the same all over the world. TV cable lines are, basically, a commercial issue. Any "rare" signal is tre= ated as an illegal non-desirable signal. So, the first step you have to go is... to talk with your TV cable company. Now, any AM frecuency is absolutely out of the range of the standard TV cab= le signals (carriers). BTW, yes, it's true the today TV cable signals are digital, BUT... all of t= hem are, basically, analog Amplitude Modulation (actually QAM poly-phase mo= dulation with a "constellation" of phases to carry out the digital data str= eam) and multiplexed to give a final... "Spaghetti dish", which only can be= readable by the internal digital gnome (decoder box). I want to insist about the modulation process itself is analog, but the mod= ulator signal is digital. I guess Wikipedia must have a good explanation to= this, maybe. Now, the basic problem is... one standard analog audio AM signal is just "n= oise" to the TV cable signals and vice versa. So... What I've heard is about some TV cable companies offering some audio channe= ls to any radio station (AM or FM). The final result is a digital stereo au= dio channel, of course. Not AM, not FM, not radio as usually we know. And I= guess this service is too expensive, maybe. I don't know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I wouldn't recommend it. Although our cable system is bi-directional, it= =20 > is not analog bi-directional. Incidentally, tampering with a public util= ity=20 > is now considered an act of terrorism in our state. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed May 19 11:54:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4942 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 18:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 18:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f46.google.com) (209.85.161.46) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 18:54:03 -0000 X-Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so2707601fxm.19 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 11:54:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.223.15.216 with SMTP id l24mr3479444faa.92.1274295241492; Wed, 19 May 2010 11:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm37265287far.6.2010.05.19.11.53.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 11:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1ADDABE8E3764F8FA38293AC99071747@mygateway> To: References: <8CCC51EA3224D70-1260-1B7@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> <4BF3EF90.20905@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:53:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=HJ43m-szoWcQl-957qg1JAHOJZMzAkbakpPXxGSOYfOlH-UI-5lo X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lo I have 2 of these units what mods do I need to perform? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:02 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? On 5/18/2010 11:58 PM, jmrouse@mail.com wrote: > I don't know if you would really be happy W/ the Ramsey AM unit.? I have heard there is not much audio above 3 khz.? That was a couple of years ago.? I dont know if they are any better now. > Yes, they are CRAP. You are better off modding a Talking House Transmitter. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed May 19 11:55:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54197 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 18:55:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 18:55:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f49.google.com) (209.85.161.49) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 18:55:34 -0000 X-Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so1418604fxm.8 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 11:55:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.223.143.20 with SMTP id s20mr4284734fau.38.1274295333488; Wed, 19 May 2010 11:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j23sm37280848faa.2.2010.05.19.11.55.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 11:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7CCE21687F384676BB3746A4010866B8@mygateway> To: References: <3b031.2d4bac0d.3924aee4@aol.com> <4BF35A6E.3020805@gmail.com> <21B1419C69AB488F8F34D04F2E06C83D@mygateway> <4BF3F239.4040003@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:55:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.49 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=SG1auCCvN1GKVlUMaLiSdG3Ft8CsJ99Thea_b_tff4jNYfKBmoRU X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thats what I thaught lol thats awesome what was the poer power of the transmitter you used, and what did you used to couple the transmitter was it hard to bul build the coupling unit thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:14 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? On 5/19/2010 1:40 AM, hank smith wrote: > can you can you tell me more? > off list or on list or something? dididn't know o you could couple a transmitter to the able lines. > You use as big of an AM transmitter as you dare and build a coupling network to couple it to the Cable TV line coming in your home. I did that a few years ago and you could hear it on a car radio in about half of the town before the signal got so weak the power line noise wiped it out. LOL > I am serious > if that was covered in ham radio school I should be so ashamed of myself > Doing crap like that would NEVER be covered in a Ham Radio class. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed May 19 12:04:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22771 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 19:04:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 19:04:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f52.google.com) (209.85.161.52) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 19:04:11 -0000 X-Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so268131fxm.11 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:04:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.223.67.144 with SMTP id r16mr2004562fai.102.1274295850454; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u12sm5198967fah.16.2010.05.19.12.04.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 12:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 12:04:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.52 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=acfH7Hx4QxP6j6I1j-Uk2t_isdGFAmS0P3iMBoAMxUdvTOTNySBU X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello what transmitter are you refering to? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? That's a mighty nice looking transmitter. Anyone know how it generates the C-QUAM signal? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed May 19 12:06:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82283 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 19:06:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 19:06:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f43.google.com) (209.85.161.43) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 19:06:06 -0000 X-Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so149191fxm.16 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:05:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.223.18.2 with SMTP id u2mr1510498faa.73.1274295905865; Wed, 19 May 2010 12:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm5256303fad.22.2010.05.19.12.05.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 12:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3EEED8EFD3AD42DD819C3079A0CB3E3B@mygateway> To: References: Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 12:05:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=YUozESI6xqJnKegh8LlI9KRSg6VEJXkS9Bl707cpcsi2gckkdyd0 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oops yeah that would be bad thanks fore letting me know ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? I wouldn't recommend it. Although our cable system is bi-directional, it is not analog bi-directional. Incidentally, tampering with a public utility is now considered an act of terrorism in our state. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed May 19 13:43:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31005 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 20:43:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 20:43:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f179.google.com) (209.85.212.179) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 20:43:53 -0000 X-Received: by pxi13 with SMTP id 13so3931009pxi.38 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 13:42:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.10.3 with SMTP id 3mr6311255wfj.120.1274301772268; Wed, 19 May 2010 13:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm6261943pzk.8.2010.05.19.13.42.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 13:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BF44D48.7040008@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:42:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8CCC51EA3224D70-1260-1B7@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> <4BF3EF90.20905@gmail.com> <1ADDABE8E3764F8FA38293AC99071747@mygateway> In-Reply-To: <1ADDABE8E3764F8FA38293AC99071747@mygateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=u5TElIpJdrAOAa6CtaTw8MaGBd4NniIwbdQOPGkQMp7vaKDrUiTbB-MCIccaJA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/19/2010 2:53 PM, hank smith wrote: > lo I have 2 of these units > what mods do I need to perform? > You can open up[ the Audio to 10 kHz by modding the Audio Input filter, and you can mod the PA for more power, but that is illegal -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed May 19 13:47:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72810 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 20:47:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 20:47:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f193.google.com) (209.85.221.193) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 20:47:22 -0000 X-Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31so12284541qyk.25 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 13:47:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.104.93 with SMTP id n29mr5168429qao.193.1274302041711; Wed, 19 May 2010 13:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm4682798qyk.0.2010.05.19.13.47.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 13:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BF44E57.3070609@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:47:19 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <3b031.2d4bac0d.3924aee4@aol.com> <4BF35A6E.3020805@gmail.com> <21B1419C69AB488F8F34D04F2E06C83D@mygateway> <4BF3F239.4040003@gmail.com> <7CCE21687F384676BB3746A4010866B8@mygateway> In-Reply-To: <7CCE21687F384676BB3746A4010866B8@mygateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.193 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=AGfzMIQk6c-pbEDQDC3g89hvL9PYd6X50W6GVHRV8xcw4gPcuSTlnqBi2CqccA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/19/2010 2:55 PM, hank smith wrote: > what was the poer power of the transmitter you used, It was about 6 Watts using a plate modulated 5763 as the PA. > and what did you used to couple the transmitter was it hard to bul build the coupling unit > It was a simple Pi network to tune the beast and it was inductive coupled to the incoming CATV line. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed May 19 13:48:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54711 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 20:48:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 20:48:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f53.google.com) (209.85.161.53) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 20:48:04 -0000 X-Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so1644813fxm.40 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 13:48:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.223.23.67 with SMTP id q3mr104320fab.59.1274302083774; Wed, 19 May 2010 13:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g10sm5287914fai.12.2010.05.19.13.48.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 13:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <8CCC51EA3224D70-1260-1B7@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> <4BF3EF90.20905@gmail.com> <1ADDABE8E3764F8FA38293AC99071747@mygateway> <4BF44D48.7040008@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:47:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=4TTRw3YXcxa51lF2F628QWkjtTICRANwsyftuLchW9PSehi-BF_n X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where can I find out more info on the filter mods and any other mods I can make? is there a wa wes website that can help me in this regards? no worries I aint going to mod the pa tempting but I won't my main interested is the 10 khz filter Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:42 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? On 5/19/2010 2:53 PM, hank smith wrote: > lo I have 2 of these units > what mods do I need to perform? > You can open up[ the Audio to 10 kHz by modding the Audio Input filter, and you can mod the PA for more power, but that is illegal -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed May 19 13:49:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81250 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 20:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 20:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f191.google.com) (209.85.221.191) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 20:49:19 -0000 X-Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so11559724qyk.14 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 13:49:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.51.225 with SMTP id e33mr5137735qag.316.1274302158845; Wed, 19 May 2010 13:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm4710563qyk.5.2010.05.19.13.49.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 13:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BF44ECD.7030602@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:49:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.191 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ZNBLNCQP8bzBQHco4rcAO5pZC6cPmKf5kBH9ylwpGoQxXoAUueIxARZHDyZlmg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/19/2010 2:33 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > Now, any AM frecuency is absolutely out of the range of the standard TV cable signals (carriers). > Right, I was broadcasting over the Cable Company's signal, I was just using the Cable System as a big antenna. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed May 19 13:49:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97612 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 20:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 20:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f41.google.com) (209.85.161.41) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 20:49:49 -0000 X-Received: by fxm13 with SMTP id 13so1265006fxm.0 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 13:48:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.223.68.13 with SMTP id t13mr2329512fai.69.1274302118420; Wed, 19 May 2010 13:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j23sm37705572faa.2.2010.05.19.13.48.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 13:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8D68C68DA296467FB8D6EE03EC9810C7@mygateway> To: References: <3b031.2d4bac0d.3924aee4@aol.com> <4BF35A6E.3020805@gmail.com> <21B1419C69AB488F8F34D04F2E06C83D@mygateway> <4BF3F239.4040003@gmail.com> <7CCE21687F384676BB3746A4010866B8@mygateway> <4BF44E57.3070609@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:48:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.41 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=KdEOVBYAgO78JLkv2fkUL8vb6jwIEm4cYbhtMcqpqZmbZaHpfWHS X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nice Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? On 5/19/2010 2:55 PM, hank smith wrote: > what was the poer power of the transmitter you used, It was about 6 Watts using a plate modulated 5763 as the PA. > and what did you used to couple the transmitter was it hard to bul build the coupling unit > It was a simple Pi network to tune the beast and it was inductive coupled to the incoming CATV line. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed May 19 14:06:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10912 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 21:06:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 21:06:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f176.google.com) (209.85.212.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 21:06:10 -0000 X-Received: by pxi10 with SMTP id 10so5076944pxi.35 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 14:06:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.38.23 with SMTP id q23mr7856074waj.212.1274303169460; Wed, 19 May 2010 14:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c22sm70980976wam.18.2010.05.19.14.06.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 14:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BF452BB.5090403@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:06:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8CCC51EA3224D70-1260-1B7@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> <4BF3EF90.20905@gmail.com> <1ADDABE8E3764F8FA38293AC99071747@mygateway> <4BF44D48.7040008@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.176 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=IoSkMr_inFkNlEZ8YeLues_NcpQjI_zqL8SAnoRAAsIKTZ0lc7o29-OBsyeKUw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/19/2010 4:47 PM, hank smith wrote: > where can I find out more info on the filter mods and any other mods I can make? It depends GREATLY on the model of the transmitter. Even Transmitters of the same model can have different components in them. The best thing to do is play around with the ALC Circuit and the Audio Input. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 19 14:51:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15438 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 21:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 21:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 21:51:20 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4JLpAZl014153 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 17:51:11 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e24.79961bb (43967) for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 17:51:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m16.mail.aol.com (magic-m16.mail.aol.com [172.21.188.208]) by cia-dd02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD028-abbf4bf45d4cb5; Wed, 19 May 2010 17:51:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3429.69c2a127.3925b74c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:51:08 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.188.208 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=uBatdUaXa429dbwU_e1MmRvFZk6IH67vYcP8KJGzs7VSB4gzoWEoTY5-7Ae4ZXnB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > what transmitter are you refering to? > The SSTRAN 100-watt unit. Looks like a 2RU configuaration that could nicely slip into an audio rack for a backup. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed May 19 14:58:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22703 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 21:58:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 21:58:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f182.google.com) (74.125.83.182) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 21:58:12 -0000 X-Received: by pvg3 with SMTP id 3so248899pvg.13 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 14:58:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.6.35 with SMTP id 35mr305965wff.79.1274306289286; Wed, 19 May 2010 14:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v41sm2888916wfh.21.2010.05.19.14.58.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 14:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <26C816D4381441B3BBB2B64310B4FA20@mygateway> To: References: <3429.69c2a127.3925b74c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:58:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.182 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=2IejttSCROSF04HnmpdeBdvrMvoCtxDh7RV5WAogRQ__JvBdxMDn X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit didn't see this on there main site where is it? the only one I see is the 100mw one I own one of these bad boys btw and they kick some major ass if only I could make that thing cquam either way its the best money I spent Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 2:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? In a message dated 5/19/2010 2:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > what transmitter are you refering to? > The SSTRAN 100-watt unit. Looks like a 2RU configuaration that could nicely slip into an audio rack for a backup. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed May 19 14:59:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63136 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 21:59:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 21:59:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f171.google.com) (74.125.83.171) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 21:59:05 -0000 X-Received: by pvc30 with SMTP id 30so1629516pvc.16 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.201.15 with SMTP id y15mr6981352wff.247.1274306344646; Wed, 19 May 2010 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x35sm2886069wfh.6.2010.05.19.14.59.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 May 2010 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9DC84084558845FC92A0E2D0BC578A3C@mygateway> To: Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:59:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: sstran 100mw in to cquam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=taL7YRqUpotaUhv8Ic2n1PbtSwCZ6DrogAvyLCRD5IyytHUTdqLy X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is it ppossible to turn my 100mw sstran in to a cquam transmitter? if so what is needed? it all ready has the frequency response all ready Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 19 15:39:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51227 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 22:39:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 22:39:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 22:39:31 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 22:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 22:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2010 22:34:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:34:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <481282.33294.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=FC7o0SrewJgc6i-FAGhFm9B-8udpeA8pm_Rwp4VMvDgkqX20MrdR9eg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Do you mean the 4000KHz oscillator? (RF output at 1000KHz)?? I assume even with the DigiKey parts you still need to have quadruple your = intended RF frequency? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > I fired the new AL up with the 1000 kilohertz oscillator and it's right o= n. So I can listen to it without a nasty beat note. I have not tried the o= thers yet. >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > ECS-P85-B-ND >=20 > Mfg part # ECS-UPO-8PIN >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed May 19 16:19:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55202 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 23:19:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 23:19:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.77) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 23:19:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18099 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2010 23:19:08 -0000 Message-ID: <814374.17022.qm@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _bT06DsVM1lDxWWWxgW_39kTKC.LSanscc8QtCCoPLN9VV1 IFIQfmVKhfxan5.OnKr_Hku6GiRlMbrcye.tWhoKrooclpSnghIKzQBdgLhw cUwZ10wLBPDqU4nCyhABt1hic4nDI.3JNmUKSOrEovAAjKkTCXJ33tU98NIP lmh4LIjVslNY12iBLIgHRwE19fIrHfGk8frh.b9HjSydAKLHd0YHYX7hSpyw ecbRSuVBy8Q7qgBhM9JdlGwpa0k6C2uGOhAlO6U1gvNdmrHEWFIT5ZgUrmUW TIeakhSDru7qmG3Xo5ARrwJ81v0wOw1rY1v810Lreh.IfCQ4YZsQM7f7.5an cHxJp X-Received: from [209.213.19.12] by web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 May 2010 16:19:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/374.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:19:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vNGi2FMmCgnT3VMKo0WAS2uOBErtZEPf3nflh-T2EfA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, that's what you get for typing when you are asleep. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 6:34:28 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} affordable AM stereo transmitter? Do you mean the 4000KHz oscillator? (RF output at 1000KHz)?? I assume even with the DigiKey parts you still need to have quadruple your intended RF frequency? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > I fired the new AL up with the 1000 kilohertz oscillator and it's right on. So I can listen to it without a nasty beat note. I have not tried the others yet. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > ________________________________ > > ECS-P85-B-ND > > Mfg part # ECS-UPO-8PIN > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 19 16:41:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19557 invoked from network); 19 May 2010 23:41:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2010 23:41:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2010 23:41:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15101 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2010 23:41:08 -0000 Message-ID: <152960.13416.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _cxq0p0VM1n36nwMv2RVHVXNnBqE37KKLUjgP5PfZEaOYxH PBTlLMTbJHgLAUw1gS67uwgok5x_qJ1_.eJL6vfhmD33D8eHrzjtNJIPdyzk fAUxsrQ2pnxZODfz9nQHFp68deCArPKCm1aFd9L9KayMxMaLGneeiNdX2x9Z _zlBiQHm8vDf2GuKKBk7IVshmnIG595bM1OBoILCeH_eHp5Jxl3F3m_S4wbV 1vBXmKVX6pN2BrhvI325tGYSkSkAMeyRc9CxKiZDaN98xCyQw5wp1ix_pajo 73U47jFekcxRn94Wc5WRhELIk8.ctWzjL6SH6UJ7aYlUgLTGy44LNvP_vMmA PVhRuaQyGLkqbmHfk5l2sol1hkUE- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 May 2010 16:41:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:41:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BF3F239.4040003@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=n8AADF8H14G9Q4S2yzis-xj--8ssqAGZa-pYKJ02wy22_w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I must confess to similar behavior! =C2=A0Put the AM right to the cable, fr= ee L-O-N-G antenna.Got more creative on FM, I had a friend living at the fo= ot of the hill that the cable system had their towers on, on which just hap= pened to be an omni FM antenna. =C2=A0A few watts aimed at that antenna gav= e us city wide coverage, until the cable company decided to start moving th= ings around on the FM band...and that included moving US right off the dial= .Fun while it lasted though:>)Be a real pirate, be CREATIVE!!! =C2=A0G --- On Wed, 5/19/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} broadcasting threw the cable system? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 10:14 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 5/19/2010 1:40 AM, hank smith wrote: > can you can you tell me more? > off list or on list or something? dididn't know o you could couple a tran= smitter to the able lines. >=20=20=20=20 You use as big of an AM transmitter as you dare and build a coupling=20 network to couple it to the Cable TV line coming in your home. I did=20 that a few years ago and you could hear it on a car radio in about half=20 of the town before the signal got so weak the power line noise wiped it=20 out. LOL > I am serious > if that was covered in ham radio school I should be so ashamed of myself >=20=20=20=20 Doing crap like that would NEVER be covered in a Ham Radio class. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 20 07:48:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39789 invoked from network); 20 May 2010 14:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2010 14:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2010 14:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2010 14:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2010 14:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2010 14:44:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:44:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9DC84084558845FC92A0E2D0BC578A3C@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: sstran 100mw in to cquam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Y4kFVIS2hNKEZ9THfegYvv_aetZWgz7p0gk1rgqldL_eRFf5rx9kJak X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Other than the relatively high price, that's my biggest issue with the SSTR= AN AM transmitter is the lack of C-QUAM. It appears to have some decent au= dio processing that the C-QUAM Part15 transmitters don't have (to keep the = costs reasonable). John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > is it ppossible to turn my 100mw sstran in to a cquam transmitter? if so = what is needed? it all ready has the frequency response all ready > Hank >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu May 20 13:48:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60794 invoked from network); 20 May 2010 20:48:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2010 20:48:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f176.google.com) (209.85.212.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2010 20:48:20 -0000 X-Received: by pxi10 with SMTP id 10so146265pxi.35 for ; Thu, 20 May 2010 13:48:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.153.23 with SMTP id f23mr380022wfo.64.1274388499752; Thu, 20 May 2010 13:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-133-186.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.133.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y15sm130759wfd.22.2010.05.20.13.48.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 May 2010 13:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:48:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: sstran 100mw in to cquam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=xWh7JR6MYQay3MojtgkUnJVqk1e0gUeI4xZFF-mdIV1N_Irdq85E X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you motify it fore cquam though? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:44 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: sstran 100mw in to cquam? Other than the relatively high price, that's my biggest issue with the SSTRAN AM transmitter is the lack of C-QUAM. It appears to have some decent audio processing that the C-QUAM Part15 transmitters don't have (to keep the costs reasonable). John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > is it ppossible to turn my 100mw sstran in to a cquam transmitter? if so what is needed? it all ready has the frequency response all ready > Hank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Tue May 25 19:36:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96715 invoked from network); 26 May 2010 02:36:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2010 02:36:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2010 02:36:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2010 22:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2010 22:00:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:00:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: Another point to the analog audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=Bp4D34iN046R9SDDBwv8FddNJG_X4HrNhMD4HvZAOppyUXdPKNti_GJu X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon In the summer of 2004, I was the board operator for an Indian and Pakistani= pop music show. The program aired on a time-brokered station (that is, th= e show's host bought airtime on our station, and the station provided the t= echnical assistance required to put his show on the air). I was surprised = that at that late a date, most of the music was on cassette. At the time, = I thought that likely cassettes made more economic sense for poor Indian te= enagers and young adults. However, I hadn't consider that cassettes and ca= ssette players might have held up better against dust and vibration (from d= riving on unpaved or poorly maintained roads) than CDs and CD players. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > After the last mega-earthquake here, the old analog cassette tape system = is back because most of the CD players in the tsunami area are... with some= salt water inside. >=20 > Also, Chile isn't a country with all the roads and highways paved (like U= SA). We have a lot of kilometers of dirt roads. In this situation, a CD pla= yer in your car doesn't last too long. The old cassette, and the radio of c= ourse, never fail!!! >=20 > And also, a typical farmer or peasant can hardly use a CD player in his n= ormal daily work. >=20 > Just an MP4 player can work well, almost always, but a typical MP4 player= isn't a cheap device here yet. >=20 > So... analog systems are still alive here!!! >=20 > LET THE DIGITAL TO THE STUDIO, USE ANALOG TO ANY OTHER USE!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile,, South America, with love > From starship_2001@msn.com Wed May 26 02:28:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60467 invoked from network); 26 May 2010 09:28:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2010 09:28:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2010 09:28:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2010 09:25:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2010 09:25:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:25:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.97.61.49 From: "starship20012001" Subject: Re: Another point to the analog audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=yLQg4URN0X2vBd9nWi1vA0YZ8M65ak_isneLFJghta-rhn8kleqoSZFGcA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 I used to collect home cassette decks . a common failure problem was the dr= ive belts would wear out. They can also stretch with age and fall right off= the pully. many of these cassette player units used different size drive b= elts which have become very difficult to replace and obtain. automotive cas= sette decks sometimes used a better quality drive belt which could hold out= for longer life.=20=20=20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "AlfredoT" wrote: > > In the summer of 2004, I was the board operator for an Indian and Pakista= ni pop music show. The program aired on a time-brokered station (that is, = the show's host bought airtime on our station, and the station provided the= technical assistance required to put his show on the air). I was surprise= d that at that late a date, most of the music was on cassette. At the time= , I thought that likely cassettes made more economic sense for poor Indian = teenagers and young adults. However, I hadn't consider that cassettes and = cassette players might have held up better against dust and vibration (from= driving on unpaved or poorly maintained roads) than CDs and CD players. >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > > > Hi Gang!!! > >=20 > > After the last mega-earthquake here, the old analog cassette tape syste= m is back because most of the CD players in the tsunami area are... with so= me salt water inside. > >=20 > > Also, Chile isn't a country with all the roads and highways paved (like= USA). We have a lot of kilometers of dirt roads. In this situation, a CD p= layer in your car doesn't last too long. The old cassette, and the radio of= course, never fail!!! > >=20 > > And also, a typical farmer or peasant can hardly use a CD player in his= normal daily work. > >=20 > > Just an MP4 player can work well, almost always, but a typical MP4 play= er isn't a cheap device here yet. > >=20 > > So... analog systems are still alive here!!! > >=20 > > LET THE DIGITAL TO THE STUDIO, USE ANALOG TO ANY OTHER USE!!! > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile,, South America, with love > > > From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed May 26 09:38:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21919 invoked from network); 26 May 2010 16:38:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2010 16:38:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2010 16:38:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2010 16:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2010 16:37:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:37:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: sstran 100mw in to cquam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=IzXnkncFo_xuz1d203XJ7UXB2KAJZrnOXDRWGC5r-R9a X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Probably with a lot of work and it all wouldn't fit in the box. You might b= e able to FM the PLL with L-R audio. I did that with my AM-25 and it worked= good for radios like the SRF 42. The AM-25 also needs some other work to m= ake it acceptable for AM stereo. I have my SSTran modified to work either w= ith the internal PLL or a Harris AM stereo generator. If I ever get some ti= me to get back to the workbench I'll let you know how it turns out. It, unf= ortunately, is a low priority project right now. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > can you motify it fore cquam though? > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: toledohamradio=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:44 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: sstran 100mw in to cquam? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Other than the relatively high price, that's my biggest issue with the = SSTRAN AM transmitter is the lack of C-QUAM. It appears to have some decent= audio processing that the C-QUAM Part15 transmitters don't have (to keep t= he costs reasonable). > John >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > > > is it ppossible to turn my 100mw sstran in to a cquam transmitter? if= so what is needed? it all ready has the frequency response all ready > > Hank > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 26 15:27:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1925 invoked from network); 26 May 2010 22:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2010 22:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2010 22:27:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5091 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2010 22:27:46 -0000 Message-ID: <473988.3707.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: iqSmSEAVM1lGKa9RAEAnzq.stkJMx7_coTHKryd2Eec_vS0 2FvbC5YWutiszSCHQVLqFXFyU3eU92ut5mdBxHLv5tT649qs_BEwJBXnI7UQ wGC4fMEsk8YjWyRSa_z2XId5HlViysDPdCEgnj.7NSKeutRTTtwVhUs2vCeI AmDxkSaFwIJcUvqrV2FDzADS47x8Z_vzUMUSmZgGLVrkgH3x2B6rlUxxnErE bMaqi6VdoztmEXdXm71ARIhMEVXtCIXgyE_NHrGoBkpyKRn7JIszsjYcjZTV 9n6MPxFHYt4EcgQwK9b1Rn7j8RNKmUw0OKi9YW39cfcEOYBFKWIYan79OOj. cRNNd4cEHS.Q6k0u5ilTkh0ffEaZBD.1Iyh_tmPXnYLSGNXSa93B4jug- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 May 2010 15:27:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:27:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=-50RRap-TsjXkHeSqvWPJb8nP3_E_l95JhnxfojEtwBcSA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hate to break it to you, but NOT ALL roads in the USA are paved. =C2=A0Here= in Michigan, there are more unpaved miles than paved! =C2=A0Of course the = way THIS state builds and maintains roads, the dirt roads usually ride bett= er than some of the expressways.Michigan, where the worst drivers in the wo= rld drive on the worst roads in the world to get to the worst airport in th= e world, to fly on the worst airline in the world!!! =C2=A0God help us! But I totally agree with you, analog still has it's place, and I have never= had a cassette care one wit how bumpy the road gets. Even my trusty old Mi= niDisc has "burped" a time or two on the way to work. =C2=A0Let's face it, = hearing is an analog process, the closer we stay to that the better, and so= me cassette decks can whoop the heck pout of the average i-Poop for sound q= uality. =C2=A0G =C2=A0=C2=A0 --- On Mon, 5/24/10, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 6:00 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 In the summer of 2004, I was the board operator for an Indian and Pak= istani pop music show. The program aired on a time-brokered station (that = is, the show's host bought airtime on our station, and the station provided= the technical assistance required to put his show on the air). I was surp= rised that at that late a date, most of the music was on cassette. At the = time, I thought that likely cassettes made more economic sense for poor Ind= ian teenagers and young adults. However, I hadn't consider that cassettes = and cassette players might have held up better against dust and vibration (= from driving on unpaved or poorly maintained roads) than CDs and CD players= . --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > After the last mega-earthquake here, the old analog cassette tape system = is back because most of the CD players in the tsunami area are... with some= salt water inside. >=20 > Also, Chile isn't a country with all the roads and highways paved (like U= SA). We have a lot of kilometers of dirt roads. In this situation, a CD pla= yer in your car doesn't last too long. The old cassette, and the radio of c= ourse, never fail!!! >=20 > And also, a typical farmer or peasant can hardly use a CD player in his n= ormal daily work. >=20 > Just an MP4 player can work well, almost always, but a typical MP4 player= isn't a cheap device here yet. >=20 > So... analog systems are still alive here!!! >=20 > LET THE DIGITAL TO THE STUDIO, USE ANALOG TO ANY OTHER USE!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile,, South America, with love > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 26 15:38:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38895 invoked from network); 26 May 2010 22:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2010 22:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2010 22:38:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97582 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2010 22:37:59 -0000 Message-ID: <712679.97375.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lzCTv08VM1liZQksiV.0vGNOpajJiPdKwlUSixspZEql6UQ N3QBuZwbkiESHW.CaUzI1rhmiBuAPg1si.r.SM30Ak1zQqODJHcU2WgJmomN QTdcsiXorP3nZRqOFXKO5HQfwpIxnkEZFNe4IJxcyMLxcBjuzhASt3V.WMwi 1HlBO1zkVJIlnLkKRa5BB3ZS5Ebo1a11rYKLBgKYGp1P.eb.99SAr0TmMywd xdwR4FmjyDybbU3RT1F.seQBPGkeZDZHYjli0v3wxw6wuPgdtOOUR.ETEVpc sWLHHBqbGSVsNolENwtc0Z1KFxsF0WoKEqC2adRw9tCYYLZ4H1CAFOEJRdSA 0ErAnh_ViuIlx9GzM_n6i45P09N4- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 May 2010 15:37:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=aEdC8eHdEsAugv938bcxhOvJbQ3AxKWYY3ZPhjOhYTBSjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I shouldn't admit this when competent engineers might read it, but I used t= o use a plain old rubber band for a drive belt, even on a reel-to-reel deck= . =C2=A0Not exactly an Ampex or Sony recommended fix, but it usually worked= quite well! =C2=A0Our local supply house wanted $35 for a belt for my rust= y-but-trusty Tascam cassette deck, and if he put that belt where I suggeste= d he put it, it probably smells quite foul by now :>)=C2=A0BTW, some hardwa= re stores have large enough O-rings to replace some belts...there are two i= n my old Beta deck, still working after three years!G --- On Wed, 5/26/10, starship20012001 wrote: From: starship20012001 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 5:25 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I used to collect home cassette decks . a common failure problem was = the drive belts would wear out. They can also stretch with age and fall rig= ht off the pully. many of these cassette player units used different size d= rive belts which have become very difficult to replace and obtain. automoti= ve cassette decks sometimes used a better quality drive belt which could ho= ld out for longer life.=20=20=20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "AlfredoT" wrote: > > In the summer of 2004, I was the board operator for an Indian and Pakista= ni pop music show. The program aired on a time-brokered station (that is, = the show's host bought airtime on our station, and the station provided the= technical assistance required to put his show on the air). I was surprise= d that at that late a date, most of the music was on cassette. At the time= , I thought that likely cassettes made more economic sense for poor Indian = teenagers and young adults. However, I hadn't consider that cassettes and = cassette players might have held up better against dust and vibration (from= driving on unpaved or poorly maintained roads) than CDs and CD players. >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > > > Hi Gang!!! > >=20 > > After the last mega-earthquake here, the old analog cassette tape syste= m is back because most of the CD players in the tsunami area are... with so= me salt water inside. > >=20 > > Also, Chile isn't a country with all the roads and highways paved (like= USA). We have a lot of kilometers of dirt roads. In this situation, a CD p= layer in your car doesn't last too long. The old cassette, and the radio of= course, never fail!!! > >=20 > > And also, a typical farmer or peasant can hardly use a CD player in his= normal daily work. > >=20 > > Just an MP4 player can work well, almost always, but a typical MP4 play= er isn't a cheap device here yet. > >=20 > > So... analog systems are still alive here!!! > >=20 > > LET THE DIGITAL TO THE STUDIO, USE ANALOG TO ANY OTHER USE!!! > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile,, South America, with love > > > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu May 27 15:53:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89960 invoked from network); 27 May 2010 22:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2010 22:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2010 22:53:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2010 22:52:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2010 22:52:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:52:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <473988.3707.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.52.159 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2aycTDTkQ1yRBby_HkT4x71DgAsXIUFXUMuQB-zrRguepKSvMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hahahahaha!!! It's nice to know we live in a human world!!! hahahaha!!! My sister was living in Michigan years ago (it was an educational interchan= ge program, because she is an english teacher here, in Chile) and she broug= ht to me some maps of Michigan. I still have one and I can see some non-pav= ed roads there. hahahaha!!! Whatever, I never loved the cassettes tapes (I always hated the hiss), but,= yes, it still is a good option to the poor countries of the world (and my = country is still so poor in a lot of aspects of the common life). We have r= adios, even in FM, with cassettes deck yet. Even more, I know a lot of people in this forum will hate me because my nex= t commentary but... I think some cassette tapes, with some cassette decks, = with some equalization parameters, give us a better outstanding audio than = some digital recordings (like the MP3s). In my opinion, the only one aspect where the digital audio devices win the = battle against the analog devices is in the non-degradation characteristic = at the copy hour. BUT... please, try to copy a 48000 samples/second 320 kbp= s MP3 audio to a 22050 samples/second 48 kbps MP3 audio and "ENJOY" the ver= y good digital quality. Hahahahaha!!! Whatever, the mechanical failures inside the tape decks and vinyl turntable= s were the main reason to change to a non-mechanical part devices (like the= MP3-4 pendrives), BUT... we have to use them with too care to get a good a= udio. LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AUDIO IN THE AIR!!!!!!! Leave the digital audio ins= ide the studio and the record/play-back devices, PLEASE!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL, BROTHERS!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope (and still some tre= mors, hihihi) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Hate to break it to you, but NOT ALL roads in the USA are paved. =C2=A0He= re in Michigan, there are more unpaved miles than paved! =C2=A0Of course th= e way THIS state builds and maintains roads, the dirt roads usually ride be= tter than some of the expressways.Michigan, where the worst drivers in the = world drive on the worst roads in the world to get to the worst airport in = the world, to fly on the worst airline in the world!!! =C2=A0God help us! > But I totally agree with you, analog still has it's place, and I have nev= er had a cassette care one wit how bumpy the road gets. Even my trusty old = MiniDisc has "burped" a time or two on the way to work. =C2=A0Let's face it= , hearing is an analog process, the closer we stay to that the better, and = some cassette decks can whoop the heck pout of the average i-Poop for sound= quality. =C2=A0G =C2=A0=C2=A0 >=20 > --- On Mon, 5/24/10, AlfredoT wrote: >=20 > From: AlfredoT > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another point to the analog audio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 6:00 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > In the summer of 2004, I was the board operator for an Indian and P= akistani pop music show. The program aired on a time-brokered station (tha= t is, the show's host bought airtime on our station, and the station provid= ed the technical assistance required to put his show on the air). I was su= rprised that at that late a date, most of the music was on cassette. At th= e time, I thought that likely cassettes made more economic sense for poor I= ndian teenagers and young adults. However, I hadn't consider that cassette= s and cassette players might have held up better against dust and vibration= (from driving on unpaved or poorly maintained roads) than CDs and CD playe= rs. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > After the last mega-earthquake here, the old analog cassette tape syste= m is back because most of the CD players in the tsunami area are... with so= me salt water inside. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Also, Chile isn't a country with all the roads and highways paved (like= USA). We have a lot of kilometers of dirt roads. In this situation, a CD p= layer in your car doesn't last too long. The old cassette, and the radio of= course, never fail!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > And also, a typical farmer or peasant can hardly use a CD player in his= normal daily work. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Just an MP4 player can work well, almost always, but a typical MP4 play= er isn't a cheap device here yet. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > So... analog systems are still alive here!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > LET THE DIGITAL TO THE STUDIO, USE ANALOG TO ANY OTHER USE!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile,, South America, with love >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri May 28 23:39:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51703 invoked from network); 29 May 2010 06:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2010 06:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f50.google.com) (209.85.160.50) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2010 06:39:01 -0000 X-Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6so191256pwj.37 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 23:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.125.20 with SMTP id c20mr1058017rvn.238.1275115141204; Fri, 28 May 2010 23:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-197-68.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.197.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b12sm2838871rvn.22.2010.05.28.23.39.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 28 May 2010 23:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2E7C44B76650435B8CAD084A3F15FE25@mygateway> To: Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:38:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.50 From: "hank smith" Subject: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=dJac7x2B3EGWvNS9Gshw7caOiZ_DjiGmvgk-vfa6g2N2OOZo1VD3 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello got my am stereo transmitter from greece up and running again got some questions here they are: 1. does this tune to 5:30? 2. can this thing take a amplifier to *coughs* erm you know push the power above 100 mw? 3. why is it when I put the transmitter above 1600 it shuts down after about 5 hours of use and won't stay up fore verry long but when I sent it to 1130 fore example it runs 24-7 and also saves my settings? it won't save my settings, nor will it stay up above 1600 I have no idea why either. 5. can I mod this fore drm transmittion either hibred mode or analog/drm? if so what is needed? I will send back to greece fore mod if I need to. 5. can I post to the group recordings of this in action? using my amstereo tuner and the transmitter? if so what is the bitrate, and required file size? or would youtube be a better way to post? this thing really shines on rock music really nicely I might add thanks Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 29 04:40:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8662 invoked from network); 29 May 2010 11:40:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2010 11:40:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2010 11:40:31 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4TBePJb031558 for ; Sat, 29 May 2010 07:40:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e0a.8660b59 (37534) for ; Sat, 29 May 2010 07:40:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m21.mail.aol.com (magic-m21.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.194]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB017-929e4c00fd25128; Sat, 29 May 2010 07:40:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3342e.796879fa.39325725@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:40:21 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.194 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1mjvvzmHEUlrcHFgRdW6yfUId6v-UCV5KtHYEBZ8yvJcUqLmgtfneaIqBM0B15vs X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You would need a low distortion LINEAR amplifier that could tune the AM broadcast band that could accomodate the transmitter's out, which is likely not 100mW. No many of those around. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat May 29 18:47:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1546 invoked from network); 30 May 2010 01:47:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2010 01:47:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f45.google.com) (74.125.83.45) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2010 01:47:45 -0000 X-Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11so1755964gwb.32 for ; Sat, 29 May 2010 18:47:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.91.106.9 with SMTP id i9mr1589887agm.27.1275184065280; Sat, 29 May 2010 18:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1466153ywh.2.2010.05.29.18.47.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 May 2010 18:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C01C3BC.8020408@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 21:47:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <3342e.796879fa.39325725@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3342e.796879fa.39325725@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ASFDHfsYOQMZQqcvjykmTYUxj2BkC_85kfUp_TDVun0Kkg_6FLLx3hly4xptVA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/29/2010 7:40 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > You would need a low distortion LINEAR amplifier that could tune the AM > broadcast band that could accomodate the transmitter's out, which is likely not > 100mW. > > No many of those around. > There are plenty of them to be found on Ebay! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 29 19:11:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18370 invoked from network); 30 May 2010 02:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2010 02:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2010 02:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4U2BFEi020755 for ; Sat, 29 May 2010 22:11:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dd0.89ce078 (55764) for ; Sat, 29 May 2010 22:11:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m27.mail.aol.com (magic-m27.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.200]) by cia-md05.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD055-d9d44c01c94024e; Sat, 29 May 2010 22:11:12 -0400 Message-ID: <4dfc9.6cf77951.39332340@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:11:12 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.200 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Dt_DbWmZB0QenX5X8T8t_xU3Aw95u1BJODEo97ogPtmKsGW5AXjwr3xUmrILRkTv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/29/2010 8:47:53 PM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > There are plenty of them to be found on Ebay! > AM Broadcast band? I know there are plenty of FM ones. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat May 29 20:22:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28221 invoked from network); 30 May 2010 03:22:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2010 03:22:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f181.google.com) (209.85.160.181) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2010 03:22:10 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gy0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 8so2422231gyg.12 for ; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:22:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.117.25 with SMTP id p25mr3408166ybc.254.1275189729971; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1sm34540197ybh.2.2010.05.29.20.22.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 May 2010 20:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C01D9DC.8020105@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 23:22:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4dfc9.6cf77951.39332340@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4dfc9.6cf77951.39332340@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=oEytVohhRT6h-KL3GXyeZad9jcmP7aaH-4dVFq-oPPW1muM0yNuwPygrcadxOA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/29/2010 10:11 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > AM Broadcast band? I know there are plenty of FM ones. http://cgi.ebay.com/BROADCAST-AM-POWER-AMPLIFIER-400Watt-AM-TRANSMITTER-/140390973761?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20aff44141 Now if you want to do part 15 RIGHT, there are a couple of Harris MW1s and a MW5 on Ebay right now. There is also a Transcom 50 KW rig on there if you just GOTTA be a Pirate. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat May 29 20:25:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13350 invoked from network); 30 May 2010 03:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2010 03:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f194.google.com) (209.85.211.194) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2010 03:25:39 -0000 X-Received: by ywh32 with SMTP id 32so1615983ywh.5 for ; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:25:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.20.5 with SMTP id x5mr3209748ybi.445.1275189935384; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u2sm34549072ybh.3.2010.05.29.20.25.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 May 2010 20:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C01DAAA.2070103@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 23:25:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4dfc9.6cf77951.39332340@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4dfc9.6cf77951.39332340@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.194 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=5B7c8rMRBgl1UJKvKPWeWJ3eHTlqWddXt-fVWddAqWOlBUvG416WRYvMQvqNEA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 5/29/2010 10:11 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > AM Broadcast band? I know there are plenty of FM ones. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-200W-AM-broadcast-amplifier-1W-transmitters-/200406598659?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item2ea92a0403 -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 29 23:31:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90973 invoked from network); 30 May 2010 06:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2010 06:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2010 06:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4U6VKK4021126 for ; Sun, 30 May 2010 02:31:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c0e.68f21417 (37071) for ; Sun, 30 May 2010 02:31:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d18.mail.aol.com (magic-d18.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.134]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB055-90cf4c020636214; Sun, 30 May 2010 02:31:18 -0400 Message-ID: <31015.585e7db3.39336036@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 02:31:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.134 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Wj74ZPzHNQzZnQWTVc7Nu23TKwHwmjl6r3VK6HT6mok_GNJMynrXyLYXLjUX37Wx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, That one requires a 1 watt of drive. I have a feeling our Greek friend's unit develops the C-QUAM signal at low level and then uses a linear output stage. That means it has only around 50 to 60mW of output, if that. The guy builts these things in Canada even though he can't sell one there. $195 in shipping? That either includes the $150 bribe for the customs agent or the chassis is made out of spent uranium. It should be emphasised that CQUAM needs a quality linear amplifier with low distortion and wide bandwidth. Distortion and unintended phase shift across the passband seriously degrades QAM. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun May 30 20:39:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28044 invoked from network); 31 May 2010 03:39:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2010 03:39:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f170.google.com) (209.85.212.170) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2010 03:39:45 -0000 X-Received: by pxi6 with SMTP id 6so1296007pxi.15 for ; Sun, 30 May 2010 20:39:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.88.9 with SMTP id l9mr2769310rvb.286.1275277184456; Sun, 30 May 2010 20:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-197-68.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.197.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q10sm3891620rvp.8.2010.05.30.20.39.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 May 2010 20:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <3342e.796879fa.39325725@aol.com> <4C01C3BC.8020408@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 20:39:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.170 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=LmiZGEwnDzNTZ0jhXIhiHFV4GaXzZmfbK7kmjHuPs156lkd6BamR X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit any perticular model I should look out fore? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions On 5/29/2010 7:40 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > You would need a low distortion LINEAR amplifier that could tune the AM > broadcast band that could accomodate the transmitter's out, which is likely not > 100mW. > > No many of those around. > There are plenty of them to be found on Ebay! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun May 30 22:28:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50181 invoked from network); 31 May 2010 05:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2010 05:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2010 05:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2010 05:23:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2010 05:23:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2010 05:23:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 05:23:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <31015.585e7db3.39336036@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=N_eUAwbgMV1DimXDF_G4Ky-clvssZhwts0SZ3oW4J3oTnfAntJgBbSg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hank, there are timers to set on/off times on the transmitter - have a sigh= ted person check those for you. Remember, these units cover the US Amateur radio 160 meter band with AM ste= reo, and features may be different in the that part of the band compared to= the broadcast band. Check with Sotiris. 73's John From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon May 31 03:33:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37420 invoked from network); 31 May 2010 10:33:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2010 10:33:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2010 10:33:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2010 10:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2010 10:32:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:32:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2E7C44B76650435B8CAD084A3F15FE25@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.12.33 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=pAHhia5MuER9-dUdvZm2oknEQ9kBYfXNtYZ0pJgs_SY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi to all of you.=20 OK. Lets see it one by one. Hank,=20 1. the ASMAX-1 AM CQUAM unit is capable to be tuned anywhere inside the med= ium wave (AM) broadcast band, from 520KHz up to even 1710KHz. And for peopl= e that hold a valid ham radio license we can send it even to cover all the = 160m ham band, meaning that it can go even up to 2000KHz (2MHz). Tuning ste= p is 1KHz so any frequency odd or even can be used in case you want to 'dri= ft" it from standard channels, or work with the European/Australian 9KHz st= eps.=20 2. Yes, it can be amplified with the use of a linear RF amplifier. NOT reco= mmended however for US users because that will not be a 'part15' station! h= owever is your choice to add an amplifier. We do have a FULL BROADBAND 10W = carrier (40W Peak Envelope power) amplifier for it. Its a Push-Pull design = that works also at 24VDC. You can get it (with the heatsink attached) from = here:=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D190399219324=20 3. the prolem you're saying is quite strange at least! We have never heard = any similar fault! Probably during the setting, you do some timer set-up an= d that turns off the RF out after 5 hours! That is completely unreleated to= menu SAVE SETTINGS command however. But the odd is that if the SAVE functi= on works properly on other frquencies should work also for frequencies uppe= r than 1600KHz! I;m always available for tech support however, & I;m sure t= hat this is a matter that can be solved without sending the unit for repair= . Contact me at pdmtr AT yahoo dot com. 4. as above 5. No it can't be modified for DRM. The DRM Transmitter we do is based on t= he ASMAX but has a lot of differences. And you would need to run the SPARK = DRM encoding software on your PC to work it. Aslo can't do "hybrid" mode tr= ansmittions. Now, the ASMAX-1 can give a 100mW RF UMODULATED carrier output when is orde= red as the HAM version and used with 24VDC power supply. The standard "part= 15" compliant model works at 13.8 - 15VDC and is adjusted by us to 100mW DC= INPUT power (Part 15.219) on final RF amplifier and that gives ~30mW UNMOD= ULATED RF out. You have (if I remember well) the HAM version, so you can ge= t 100mW of RF out, at 24VDC.=20 We are in the phase of completely redesign the ASMAX unit since we have now= available complete 2U rack mount AM Stereo transmitters at either 25W & 10= 0W carrier levels. And we want to add many other features to them soon, inc= luding PDM modulation of the finals. For the moment these are with linear a= mplifiers and low level modulation schemes.=20 Best regards=20 Sotris Pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > hello got my am stereo transmitter from greece up and running again > got some questions > here they are: > 1. does this tune to 5:30? > 2. can this thing take a amplifier to *coughs* erm you know push the powe= r above 100 mw? > 3. why is it when I put the transmitter above 1600 it shuts down after ab= out 5 hours of use and won't stay up fore verry long but when I sent it to = 1130 fore example it runs 24-7 and also saves my settings? > it won't save my settings, nor will it stay up above 1600 > I have no idea why either. > 5. can I mod this fore drm transmittion either hibred mode or analog/drm?= if so what is needed? > I will send back to greece fore mod if I need to. > 5. can I post to the group recordings of this in action? using my amstere= o tuner and the transmitter? if so what is the bitrate, and required file s= ize? or would youtube be a better way to post? > this thing really shines on rock music really nicely I might add > thanks > Hank >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon May 31 04:50:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13426 invoked from network); 31 May 2010 11:50:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2010 11:50:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f176.google.com) (209.85.211.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2010 11:50:31 -0000 X-Received: by ywh6 with SMTP id 6so2623277ywh.16 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 04:50:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.48.27 with SMTP id v27mr4254394ybv.53.1275306630942; Mon, 31 May 2010 04:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v1sm47430140ybh.11.2010.05.31.04.50.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 31 May 2010 04:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C03A286.1080901@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 07:50:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.176 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Tt-83snLnJUFOchZEdShApyf_pRld-BH6yFmfJOosJ2Ro_3SpQQwCgTFiY7t4A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Sotris, Does your company sell a transmitter that will produce 1000 Watts Carrier (4000 Watts PEP) for a licensed AM Broadcast Station? It is on 1300 kHz. If not, what is the highest power AM Transmitter you carry? I need a transmitter to replace my Armstrong X-1000B or for use as an Aux transmitter for when the Armstrong is down. Also, do you sell or have plans to sell an AM Stereo Transmitter that will produce 1500 Watts PEP in the 160 Meter band? -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon May 31 06:25:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69902 invoked from network); 31 May 2010 13:25:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2010 13:25:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2010 13:25:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2010 13:25:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2010 13:25:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 13:25:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 94.30.98.52 From: "dandocker" Subject: France Bleu, France Bleu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=xnL5230D8BOKZxP7oXCk2XwIvHIE5Q6jCrTfEiDk6GFpMwr_ X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Hi AM stereo fans, I have been on a holiday around Europe and while in Paris, I heard my first= genuine AM stereo sound ever (on a SRF-AX15). This station has lots of ste= reo separation. Lots of music and jingles. I am afraid to say however, that nobody will be flocking back to AM stereo = anytime soon. I think that with the IPOD generation, that we need wideband = (at least 12kHz audio) as well as stereo. People are more likely to put up = with bit starved wide bandwidth audio than smooth 8kHz bandwidth audio. If AM stations were to transmit at a wider bandwidth, I'd assume that they = would need more TX power. This probably also means a more expensive license= . This is my opinion. What do you think? From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 31 06:33:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23558 invoked from network); 31 May 2010 13:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2010 13:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2010 13:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4VDXKvL005954 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 09:33:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.df1.997ee51 (43899) for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 09:33:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-dc06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC064-ab7b4c03ba9e24c; Mon, 31 May 2010 09:33:18 -0400 Message-ID: <6950d.7b6ec10d.3935149e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 09:33:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=uZg8-ZIxWKFpTafd_yP5X1yLoHtAhCSapAQQWfCbi4tgVkjevMRATWWVkgbTDzkm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/31/2010 5:33:36 AM Central Daylight Time, pdmtr@yahoo.com writes: > We do have a FULL BROADBAND 10W carrier (40W Peak Envelope power) > amplifier for it. Its a Push-Pull design that works also at 24VDC. You can get it > (with the heatsink attached) from here: > I knew you would. That is what I would recommend. However, the last vehicle I saw with a 24 Vdc electric system had a rocket launcher mounted on it. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 31 06:46:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3602 invoked from network); 31 May 2010 13:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2010 13:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2010 13:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o4VDkAD0001395 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 09:46:10 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d8f.b9f4db4 (34970) for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 09:46:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA077-889a4c03bd9d2c3; Mon, 31 May 2010 09:46:05 -0400 Message-ID: <69f93.b3800c1.3935179d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 09:46:05 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu, France Bleu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=o8VaNPmDZHOYdzLDMW-2fDYldSPiHErIPnuU5zjg_L2nX4ChIUkqo2iTGbuAvdTX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/31/2010 8:25:57 AM Central Daylight Time, piccoli.dan@gmail.com writes: > If AM stations were to transmit at a wider bandwidth, I'd assume that > they would need more TX power. This probably also means a more expensive > license. > There just isn't much between 10 to 20 khz. Few receivers can receive it, most people can't even hear it. Based on the casual studies I have done, there is no need to even filter it. A station which produces a high quality audio signal should be able to run full spectrum without any problems other than demonstrating bandwidth compliance. What causes interference with other stations is distortion products from much lower in the audio spectrum. Filtering in the audio processor is like scratching where you don't itch. The distortion generated in the transmitter is far greater than modern studio equipment. If there was a significant amount of program content above 10khz, the pre-emphasis used in FM broadcasting would not be practical. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon May 31 12:15:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57680 invoked from network); 31 May 2010 19:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2010 19:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f174.google.com) (74.125.83.174) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2010 19:14:57 -0000 X-Received: by pvg11 with SMTP id 11so3223278pvg.5 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 12:14:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.26.12 with SMTP id d12mr3313162wfj.242.1275333296372; Mon, 31 May 2010 12:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-197-68.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.197.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o38sm4488316rvp.12.2010.05.31.12.14.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 31 May 2010 12:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <337DE04B2C45483983691DACF507DED2@mygateway> To: References: Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:14:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ww5K0JPLWfVjTqTgMDg9deJtP_MWua9C_MtTZbhZD7YS3Gp0zrxU X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello does Sotiris cell these units?what spasific thing do I look fore on his site? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 10:23 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions Hank, there are timers to set on/off times on the transmitter - have a sighted person check those for you. Remember, these units cover the US Amateur radio 160 meter band with AM stereo, and features may be different in the that part of the band compared to the broadcast band. Check with Sotiris. 73's John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon May 31 12:46:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75521 invoked from network); 31 May 2010 19:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2010 19:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f177.google.com) (74.125.83.177) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2010 19:46:03 -0000 X-Received: by pvb32 with SMTP id 32so9239pvb.36 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 12:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.107.19 with SMTP id j19mr3676550rvm.90.1275335163566; Mon, 31 May 2010 12:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-197-68.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.197.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm4514273rvn.7.2010.05.31.12.46.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 31 May 2010 12:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45771E5EDEBA4E67AF9D956D923A3AA4@mygateway> To: References: Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:46:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=jFjYV0QA7OVptUr76bSUGb_g-KvTZHRQ_k9lQ_QbAYne1IOgbGBs X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello thanks fore getting back to me. can you tell me if your version of sparks has command line switches or keyboard control? I can't run sparks with my screen reader Hank----- Original Message ----- From: pdmtr To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:32 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions Hi to all of you. OK. Lets see it one by one. Hank, 1. the ASMAX-1 AM CQUAM unit is capable to be tuned anywhere inside the medium wave (AM) broadcast band, from 520KHz up to even 1710KHz. And for people that hold a valid ham radio license we can send it even to cover all the 160m ham band, meaning that it can go even up to 2000KHz (2MHz). Tuning step is 1KHz so any frequency odd or even can be used in case you want to 'drift" it from standard channels, or work with the European/Australian 9KHz steps. 2. Yes, it can be amplified with the use of a linear RF amplifier. NOT recommended however for US users because that will not be a 'part15' station! however is your choice to add an amplifier. We do have a FULL BROADBAND 10W carrier (40W Peak Envelope power) amplifier for it. Its a Push-Pull design that works also at 24VDC. You can get it (with the heatsink attached) from here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190399219324 3. the prolem you're saying is quite strange at least! We have never heard any similar fault! Probably during the setting, you do some timer set-up and that turns off the RF out after 5 hours! That is completely unreleated to menu SAVE SETTINGS command however. But the odd is that if the SAVE function works properly on other frquencies should work also for frequencies upper than 1600KHz! I;m always available for tech support however, & I;m sure that this is a matter that can be solved without sending the unit for repair. Contact me at pdmtr AT yahoo dot com. 4. as above 5. No it can't be modified for DRM. The DRM Transmitter we do is based on the ASMAX but has a lot of differences. And you would need to run the SPARK DRM encoding software on your PC to work it. Aslo can't do "hybrid" mode transmittions. Now, the ASMAX-1 can give a 100mW RF UMODULATED carrier output when is ordered as the HAM version and used with 24VDC power supply. The standard "part15" compliant model works at 13.8 - 15VDC and is adjusted by us to 100mW DC INPUT power (Part 15.219) on final RF amplifier and that gives ~30mW UNMODULATED RF out. You have (if I remember well) the HAM version, so you can get 100mW of RF out, at 24VDC. We are in the phase of completely redesign the ASMAX unit since we have now available complete 2U rack mount AM Stereo transmitters at either 25W & 100W carrier levels. And we want to add many other features to them soon, including PDM modulation of the finals. For the moment these are with linear amplifiers and low level modulation schemes. Best regards Sotris Pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > hello got my am stereo transmitter from greece up and running again > got some questions > here they are: > 1. does this tune to 5:30? > 2. can this thing take a amplifier to *coughs* erm you know push the power above 100 mw? > 3. why is it when I put the transmitter above 1600 it shuts down after about 5 hours of use and won't stay up fore verry long but when I sent it to 1130 fore example it runs 24-7 and also saves my settings? > it won't save my settings, nor will it stay up above 1600 > I have no idea why either. > 5. can I mod this fore drm transmittion either hibred mode or analog/drm? if so what is needed? > I will send back to greece fore mod if I need to. > 5. can I post to the group recordings of this in action? using my amstereo tuner and the transmitter? if so what is the bitrate, and required file size? or would youtube be a better way to post? > this thing really shines on rock music really nicely I might add > thanks > Hank > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 31 19:40:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11668 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2010 02:40:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2010 02:40:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 02:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o512eZPs022774 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 22:40:36 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.db2.b52d58a (37546) for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 22:40:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d21.mail.aol.com (magic-d21.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.137]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB027-92aa4c047321213; Mon, 31 May 2010 22:40:34 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 22:40:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.137 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Iw25KfAQbUAMxDqLxXlchunZW1A3JG81iTmU_ZgLz2jKyo-ijSUbL0HV09K8ZinT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/31/2010 2:15:06 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > does Sotiris cell these units?what spasific thing do I look fore on his > site? > I think his company does. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 15:53:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27296 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2010 22:53:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2010 22:53:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 22:53:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36192 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2010 22:53:07 -0000 Message-ID: <405925.35704.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ssSgjTYVM1nxG6qfx5UEvhSU8Eiw1RtjM_65HKGBeS7UmOv V0CCPSqgLuu6WiCqsT.aJoEYI3gzU8A9wgx4OKEMmQsYcYch2yoJ0kSPo8Cn gxPb9wJDtoKFdrU._PJ0_Wm_LVoWiNH0w55.mtsljYarmJvfF1wDqCnPu2vi Gbgx.NX_TNPQ6fYIqNIw5tJ4t3.vRCs3GNaTDC_u8Hn3U3YRV.fjHux5RxBX DIbk9PygfQ1dFhJsdc_b6H3AKhJKBk41xnhNKUgb7F0h3EPGhu6nwnzNZfaa IdfjaDnnwSXLJVotobcVbDaGompZhExIlt330XNsA3JYY6w5SYZUCzUUuzH4 x X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:53:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:53:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu, France Bleu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=KvpdzhkAtDOLydcij4TzaOUE4QA7IRMUZwY3R0-00GZGNw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Better yet, how about wider bandwidth AND enough bits...or better yet, REAL= analog modulation, even if done digitally like the Harris Destiny? =C2=A0T= he difference in power required to go from 8 kHz to 12 Khz wouldn't be that= much, considering how little of the total audio energy is in that last hal= f -octave. =C2=A0(No calculator handy, but I imagine the difference would b= e small)As for iPoops. anybody that thinks they sound good probably wouldn'= t care HOW good AM was made to sound!G --- On Mon, 5/31/10, dandocker wrote: From: dandocker Subject: {AMSF} France Bleu, France Bleu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 9:25 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi AM stereo fans, I have been on a holiday around Europe and while in Paris, I heard my first= genuine AM stereo sound ever (on a SRF-AX15). This station has lots of ste= reo separation. Lots of music and jingles. I am afraid to say however, that nobody will be flocking back to AM stereo = anytime soon. I think that with the IPOD generation, that we need wideband = (at least 12kHz audio) as well as stereo. People are more likely to put up = with bit starved wide bandwidth audio than smooth 8kHz bandwidth audio. If AM stations were to transmit at a wider bandwidth, I'd assume that they = would need more TX power. This probably also means a more expensive license= . This is my opinion. What do you think? =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 15:57:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3216 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2010 22:57:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2010 22:57:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2010 22:57:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62141 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2010 22:57:22 -0000 Message-ID: <194396.60875.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tvzIXUsVM1mhGyD4PxDpEusD9A5rH2yRy7wWFHBiZcbBibV f_kIaoqlYfggNURIZj2B9wJ7z2B8EoKIa7HNA76Wg9lJosIEV.gCxjsDb6k9 X2dlIHhaiyP5ruD36P3.FPjwnml22j5MA2.mDWX2VqK_7vFUT2gv.5ZWEOij zG8K6IcNWDbFA8tSMYUJaKaKHMFMRmJtCwqTuiTcJ6yC.zAesKSeWQDtYaO7 SZKxhONamwNiefPYCGSnwMCe0z7Vq7xS4ymwq2dO1NkRmUAtBQWik5UwCC6y 34QQ2nHxzpMOw0fHAyC.huEjaLYg7lzMW.OQTB3BwWDyEuCaSe68W5BGxOTm e X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:57:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:57:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: IBOC dying here? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=vYBX3Ens4da9aGb_69If4-wh6eANRUsJKhskoMjNLlED4g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yesterday, I scanned from 540 to 1700 kHz, and was pleasantly surprised tha= t there are LESS IBOC stations in the Detroit area than a year ago. =C2=A0B= oth yak-yak stations haver shut it off, WJR did last year, now there are on= ly six left that can be easily received here...down from a dozen or more be= fore! =C2=A0Not celebrating just yet, but I DO like the way the trend is he= aded! =C2=A0Also sounds like WJR may have opened up the bandwidth a tad, bu= t CKLW is still the only one with really good high-end audio around here...= G --- On Mon, 5/31/10, dandocker wrote: From: dandocker Subject: {AMSF} France Bleu, France Bleu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 9:25 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi AM stereo fans, I have been on a holiday around Europe and while in Paris, I heard my first= genuine AM stereo sound ever (on a SRF-AX15). This station has lots of ste= reo separation. Lots of music and jingles. I am afraid to say however, that nobody will be flocking back to AM stereo = anytime soon. I think that with the IPOD generation, that we need wideband = (at least 12kHz audio) as well as stereo. People are more likely to put up = with bit starved wide bandwidth audio than smooth 8kHz bandwidth audio. If AM stations were to transmit at a wider bandwidth, I'd assume that they = would need more TX power. This probably also means a more expensive license= . This is my opinion. What do you think? =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Wed Jun 02 03:19:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86455 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2010 10:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2010 10:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.149) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 10:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100602101928.JMDU18865.nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:19:28 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100602101927.VTCI2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:19:27 +0000 To: References: <194396.60875.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:19:26 +1000 Message-ID: <6277175BAC01401997627F2B2BD0B679@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcsB3dCjx+Zn3oCCSa6+mXoBoh1jBQAVpojQ In-Reply-To: <194396.60875.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090201.4C063030.00A3,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rhs7E9L8TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU632J7M7hND2xDxcNxqPP2gqYaT0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: george russell Subject: IBOC dying here? > Yesterday, I scanned from 540 to 1700 kHz, and was pleasantly > surprised that there are LESS IBOC stations in the Detroit area > than a year ago. Both yak-yak stations haver shut it off, WJR > did last year, now there are only six left that can be easily > received here...down from a dozen or more before! Not celebrating > just yet, but I DO like the way the trend is headed! Yo George. Speaking from Oz, it would seem to me that IBOC was a failed system since its first incarnation. It was a system created by a strong powerful lobby group with vested interests. Sometimes for the good of the listeners you need to go worldwide and grab the best system available. That's what happened with AM stereo ... except that the stupid FCC failed to mandate one system and decided on a free-for-all which got AM stereo off to a disastrous start (quite different to the previous intro of FM stereo in America). In Oz, in the mainland capital cities we've now had digital radio for 10 months. The promotion has been bland, but full on ... as ALL incumbent AM and FM stations had to embrace it or new entrants would have been allowed into the markets. Listener uptake has exceeded industry expectations and sales continue to grow, as also does the range of different receivers available. My favourite station Magic 1278 has let its presenters loose with urging listeners to go digital and buy a digital radio for as low as A$79 or as much as they're prepared to pay. Not even once have I heard anyone who's invested in a digital radio on various newsgroups complain about the results. My only complaint is that it's not possible to happily listen to a live footy broadcast at the actual footy ground ... because the signal has a few seconds delay due to digital processing (the same as digital TV). Otherwise, we in Oz finally have a fantastic hi-fi stereo radio broadcasting system. DAB+. Better than pretty much any other broadcasting system in the world. But ... just between you me and the gatepost ... I still miss AM stereo which was a huge secret here in Oz. It would seem that I've finally joined the mainstream. And it's pretty good. All those wonderful stations that started broadcasting AM stereo in 1985 gradually started turning off the stereo as early as 1995. By 2007 it was gone. Now ALL Melbourne commercial and public stations broadcast in Hi-Fi DAB+ stereo. Community stations (mostly on FM, but a few on AM) are already lobbying to go digital as well. It will eventually happen ... as it was good to see our only analog community TV station (Channel 31) suddenly go widescreen digital this last weekend. This happened after a lot of community lobbying and the federal government succumbed to providing necessary financial assistance to enable this to happen for the five capital city community TV stations. This is what happens in a country that is not excessively worried about "socialism". Socialism is about a good result for the greater community - certainly nothing to be scared of. God bless AM stereo. It was sensational! And God bless DAB+ broadcasting as well. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 16:00:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64508 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2010 23:00:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2010 23:00:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2010 23:00:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2010 23:00:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2010 23:00:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:00:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6277175BAC01401997627F2B2BD0B679@seagull> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.186 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=a-y5PiCc4lhB5-gXcnYEUrEuDbfVDrVjVlcq9arSHhl7T_dAZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 This is an open forum, and the political constitution of USA, Canada and Ch= ile (my country) protect the free speech. So, I think I have enough right to write mi humble opinion: HOW CAN WE CALL "PROGRESS" A TECHNOLOGY WITH A LOT OF LIMITATIONS AND AUDIB= LE ARTIFACTS (Like the low bitrate digital AM systems)? ??? Why do we have to be forced to change to some digital system if the today a= nalog system is better (if we get the appropiate receivers)? EVEN IN MONO, the analog AM sounds better than MP2, MP3, IBOC, etc., IF YOU= USE A WIDE AUDIO BANDWIDTH TUNER AND THE SOURCE IS A NON-COMPRESSED SOURCE= (wav PCM format)!!! Why the obstinacy to put digital audio on-the-air if it just doesn't work, = at least in AM? ??? Just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wr= ote: > >=20=20 > From: george russell > Subject: IBOC dying here? >=20 > > Yesterday, I scanned from 540 to 1700 kHz, and was pleasantly=20=20 > > surprised that there are LESS IBOC stations in the Detroit area=20 > > than a year ago. Both yak-yak stations haver shut it off, WJR=20 > > did last year, now there are only six left that can be easily=20 > > received here...down from a dozen or more before! Not celebrating=20 > > just yet, but I DO like the way the trend is headed!=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > Yo George. >=20=20 > Speaking from Oz, it would seem to me that IBOC was a failed system since > its first incarnation. It was a system created by a strong powerful lobb= y > group with vested interests. >=20=20 > Sometimes for the good of the listeners you need to go worldwide and grab > the best system available. That's what happened with AM stereo ... excep= t > that the stupid FCC failed to mandate one system and decided on a > free-for-all which got AM stereo off to a disastrous start (quite differe= nt > to the previous intro of FM stereo in America). >=20=20 > In Oz, in the mainland capital cities we've now had digital radio for 10 > months. The promotion has been bland, but full on ... as ALL incumbent A= M > and FM stations had to embrace it or new entrants would have been allowed > into the markets. >=20=20 > Listener uptake has exceeded industry expectations and sales continue to > grow, as also does the range of different receivers available. >=20=20 > My favourite station Magic 1278 has let its presenters loose with urging > listeners to go digital and buy a digital radio for as low as A$79 or as > much as they're prepared to pay. >=20=20 > Not even once have I heard anyone who's invested in a digital radio on > various newsgroups complain about the results. >=20=20 > My only complaint is that it's not possible to happily listen to a live > footy broadcast at the actual footy ground ... because the signal has a f= ew > seconds delay due to digital processing (the same as digital TV). >=20=20 > Otherwise, we in Oz finally have a fantastic hi-fi stereo radio broadcast= ing > system. DAB+. Better than pretty much any other broadcasting system in = the > world. >=20=20 > But ... just between you me and the gatepost ... I still miss AM stereo > which was a huge secret here in Oz. >=20=20 > It would seem that I've finally joined the mainstream. And it's pretty > good. All those wonderful stations that started broadcasting AM stereo i= n > 1985 gradually started turning off the stereo as early as 1995. By 2007 = it > was gone. >=20=20 > Now ALL Melbourne commercial and public stations broadcast in Hi-Fi DAB+ > stereo. >=20=20 > Community stations (mostly on FM, but a few on AM) are already lobbying t= o > go digital as well. >=20=20 > It will eventually happen ... as it was good to see our only analog > community TV station (Channel 31) suddenly go widescreen digital this las= t > weekend. This happened after a lot of community lobbying and the federal > government succumbed to providing necessary financial assistance to enabl= e > this to happen for the five capital city community TV stations. This is > what happens in a country that is not excessively worried about "socialis= m". > Socialism is about a good result for the greater community - certainly > nothing to be scared of. >=20=20 > God bless AM stereo. It was sensational! >=20=20 > And God bless DAB+ broadcasting as well. >=20=20 >=20=20 > Ian > Melbourne >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Jun 04 00:49:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81054 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2010 07:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2010 07:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 07:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2010 07:46:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2010 07:46:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 07:46:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C03A286.1080901@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.94.17 From: "pdmtr" Subject: {AMSF} Re: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=EJ9Fkrpf4lJ5Q64KPh5HuvYqyiB3oWddfj5GUKV2TFA X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Kevin=20 No, at least not for now, we can't offer a transmitter of more than 400W (1= 600W PEP) and that 400W will be also with low level modulation scheme. We a= re working on a high level scheme and that is why we don't promote so much = our AM Transmitters for the moment, since most people are looking for somet= hing between 500 and 1500W (carrier power) for their radio stations. We don= 't want to make them with linear amplifiers on the final stages, although w= e have already made that, with excellent results.=20 Any update on our AM CQUAM Transmitter line will be announced at our compan= y site. For the moment we can only offer 25W & 100W (carrier) units in a 2U= rack mount case (see the ASM100 photo on our website).=20 Hope to have later this summer some more powerfull units if we get the resu= lts we want from our high level modulator tests. The major task we want to = solve is the required PSU for working a 1KW carrier transmitter, inside the= smallest possible case (4U if possible). SMPS we are working with for test= s are somewhat bigger than what we wanted to be.=20 Best regards=20 Sotris Pdmtr=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > > Sotris, >=20 > Does your company sell a transmitter that will produce 1000 Watts Carrier= (4000 Watts PEP) for a licensed AM Broadcast Station? It is on 1300 kHz. >=20 > If not, what is the highest power AM Transmitter you carry? I need a tran= smitter to replace my Armstrong X-1000B or for use as an Aux transmitter fo= r when the Armstrong is down. >=20 > Also, do you sell or have plans to sell an AM Stereo Transmitter that wil= l produce 1500 Watts PEP in the 160 Meter band? >=20 > --=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Jun 04 02:00:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26280 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2010 09:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2010 09:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2010 09:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2010 08:59:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2010 08:59:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:59:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45771E5EDEBA4E67AF9D956D923A3AA4@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.94.17 From: "pdmtr" Subject: {AMSF} Re: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=BY0Qi8-OPjzaunNwa1z0LvNgMBbQFxwCsVNQG7n4kJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Hank=20 I will check the SPARK encoder software if it has command line control & le= t you know about it. Contact me directly with pm at pdmtr AT yahoo DOT com=20 Best regards=20 Sotris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > Hello > thanks fore getting back to me. > can you tell me if your version of sparks has command line switches or = keyboard control? > I can't run sparks with my screen reader > Hank----- Original Message -----=20 > From: pdmtr=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:32 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several que= stions >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Hi to all of you.=20 > OK. Lets see it one by one. > Hank,=20 > 1. the ASMAX-1 AM CQUAM unit is capable to be tuned anywhere inside the= medium wave (AM) broadcast band, from 520KHz up to even 1710KHz. And for p= eople that hold a valid ham radio license we can send it even to cover all = the 160m ham band, meaning that it can go even up to 2000KHz (2MHz). Tuning= step is 1KHz so any frequency odd or even can be used in case you want to = 'drift" it from standard channels, or work with the European/Australian 9KH= z steps.=20 > 2. Yes, it can be amplified with the use of a linear RF amplifier. NOT = recommended however for US users because that will not be a 'part15' statio= n! however is your choice to add an amplifier. We do have a FULL BROADBAND = 10W carrier (40W Peak Envelope power) amplifier for it. Its a Push-Pull des= ign that works also at 24VDC. You can get it (with the heatsink attached) f= rom here:=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D190399219324=20 >=20 > 3. the prolem you're saying is quite strange at least! We have never he= ard any similar fault! Probably during the setting, you do some timer set-u= p and that turns off the RF out after 5 hours! That is completely unreleate= d to menu SAVE SETTINGS command however. But the odd is that if the SAVE fu= nction works properly on other frquencies should work also for frequencies = upper than 1600KHz! I;m always available for tech support however, & I;m su= re that this is a matter that can be solved without sending the unit for re= pair. Contact me at pdmtr AT yahoo dot com. > 4. as above > 5. No it can't be modified for DRM. The DRM Transmitter we do is based = on the ASMAX but has a lot of differences. And you would need to run the SP= ARK DRM encoding software on your PC to work it. Aslo can't do "hybrid" mod= e transmittions. >=20 > Now, the ASMAX-1 can give a 100mW RF UMODULATED carrier output when is = ordered as the HAM version and used with 24VDC power supply. The standard "= part15" compliant model works at 13.8 - 15VDC and is adjusted by us to 100m= W DC INPUT power (Part 15.219) on final RF amplifier and that gives ~30mW U= NMODULATED RF out. You have (if I remember well) the HAM version, so you ca= n get 100mW of RF out, at 24VDC.=20 >=20 > We are in the phase of completely redesign the ASMAX unit since we have= now available complete 2U rack mount AM Stereo transmitters at either 25W = & 100W carrier levels. And we want to add many other features to them soon,= including PDM modulation of the finals. For the moment these are with line= ar amplifiers and low level modulation schemes.=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotris Pdmtr >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > > > hello got my am stereo transmitter from greece up and running again > > got some questions > > here they are: > > 1. does this tune to 5:30? > > 2. can this thing take a amplifier to *coughs* erm you know push the = power above 100 mw? > > 3. why is it when I put the transmitter above 1600 it shuts down afte= r about 5 hours of use and won't stay up fore verry long but when I sent it= to 1130 fore example it runs 24-7 and also saves my settings? > > it won't save my settings, nor will it stay up above 1600 > > I have no idea why either. > > 5. can I mod this fore drm transmittion either hibred mode or analog/= drm? if so what is needed? > > I will send back to greece fore mod if I need to. > > 5. can I post to the group recordings of this in action? using my ams= tereo tuner and the transmitter? if so what is the bitrate, and required fi= le size? or would youtube be a better way to post? > > this thing really shines on rock music really nicely I might add > > thanks > > Hank > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 05 10:41:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84979 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2010 17:41:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2010 17:41:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 17:41:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.79] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100605124056100310900011.0) with SMTP id <20100605124056100310900011> for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 12:40:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008b01cb04d6$b5312380$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:44:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 12:40:56 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=rGXPBMkCFrtRJkq0HhcC-fBuoT5yPJMKaqEVNJtS8ebgdLecWTDN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Small may be nice but it also makes them a pain in the butt to work on. Don't feel you have to get them down to only 4RU, they'll still sell at twice the size. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: pdmtr To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:49 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions Any update on our AM CQUAM Transmitter line will be announced at our company site. For the moment we can only offer 25W & 100W (carrier) units in a 2U rack mount case (see the ASM100 photo on our website). Hope to have later this summer some more powerfull units if we get the results we want from our high level modulator tests. The major task we want to solve is the required PSU for working a 1KW carrier transmitter, inside the smallest possible case (4U if possible). SMPS we are working with for tests are somewhat bigger than what we wanted to be. Best regards [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 05 11:07:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23718 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2010 18:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2010 18:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2010 18:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.79] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100605130721100487700011.0) with SMTP id <20100605130721100487700011> for ; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 13:07:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c201cb04da$65afe900$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:10:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 13:07:21 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7I5vTe_4SGvArUGXq_N-61pibBl5fxXXGgPl3qlkJy3a4MoDgEVF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Digital automatically means better. You mean you didn't know that? Actually I don't either. ;) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:00 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? HOW CAN WE CALL "PROGRESS" A TECHNOLOGY WITH A LOT OF LIMITATIONS AND AUDIBLE ARTIFACTS (Like the low bitrate digital AM systems)? ??? Why do we have to be forced to change to some digital system if the today analog system is better (if we get the appropiate receivers)? EVEN IN MONO, the analog AM sounds better than MP2, MP3, IBOC, etc., IF YOU USE A WIDE AUDIO BANDWIDTH TUNER AND THE SOURCE IS A NON-COMPRESSED SOURCE (wav PCM format)!!! Why the obstinacy to put digital audio on-the-air if it just doesn't work, at least in AM? ??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jun 05 22:58:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15970 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2010 05:58:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2010 05:58:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2010 05:58:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2010 05:53:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2010 05:53:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 05:53:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c201cb04da$65afe900$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.139 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=siYU_pHj3n1PxIf6N1BrXCimowJGa8BiS6E3OMT6Oid9IGrHVg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Mmmmmmm Mmmmmmm Mmmmmmm Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Digital automatically means better. You mean you didn't know that? Actu= ally I don't either. ;) >=20 > Scott Todd From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Jun 06 21:09:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73491 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 04:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2010 04:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f180.google.com) (209.85.214.180) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 04:09:15 -0000 X-Received: by iwn36 with SMTP id 36so2084734iwn.25 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:09:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.176.72 with SMTP id bd8mr7330ibb.0.1275883754754; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:09:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.160.146 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:09:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <405925.35704.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <405925.35704.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:09:14 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu, France Bleu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=T34Hp36505ChEwWjyjRsI4XYc-LD3tWC6EDYo0VDkRfNTQoB X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having said that France Bleu was not that impressive, I have arrived back i= n Perth and our AM stations sound way better, even though they are mono. This may be because there are less interfering stations on the band. On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:53 AM, george russell wrote: > > > Better yet, how about wider bandwidth AND enough bits...or better yet, RE= AL > analog modulation, even if done digitally like the Harris Destiny? The > difference in power required to go from 8 kHz to 12 Khz wouldn't be that > much, considering how little of the total audio energy is in that last ha= lf > -octave. (No calculator handy, but I imagine the difference would be > small)As for iPoops. anybody that thinks they sound good probably wouldn'= t > care HOW good AM was made to sound!G > > --- On Mon, 5/31/10, dandocker > > wrote: > > From: dandocker > > Subject: {AMSF} France Bleu, France Bleu > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 9:25 AM > > > > > Hi AM stereo fans, > > I have been on a holiday around Europe and while in Paris, I heard my fir= st > genuine AM stereo sound ever (on a SRF-AX15). This station has lots of > stereo separation. Lots of music and jingles. > > I am afraid to say however, that nobody will be flocking back to AM stere= o > anytime soon. I think that with the IPOD generation, that we need wideban= d > (at least 12kHz audio) as well as stereo. People are more likely to put u= p > with bit starved wide bandwidth audio than smooth 8kHz bandwidth audio. > > If AM stations were to transmit at a wider bandwidth, I'd assume that the= y > would need more TX power. This probably also means a more expensive licen= se. > > This is my opinion. What do you think? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Jun 06 21:22:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90698 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 04:22:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2010 04:22:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 04:22:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2010 04:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2010 04:20:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 04:20:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 134.115.93.187 From: "dandocker" Subject: Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=zhK38N_uayxv4Ke84m5xxlsHqV3OIMNKnwocn5UfcbIrs76U X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Hi there, this morning on the way to work, I was listening to Perth's 96FM (96fm.com.= au). After playing a track from 1985, the announcer said something like "1985, t= he year that AM Stereo was introduced in Australia. I wonder why they bothe= red. Maybe so it could sound twice as bad". These people have no idea how good AM can sound and neither do the public. From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Jun 06 21:49:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22025 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 04:49:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2010 04:49:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f178.google.com) (209.85.214.178) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 04:49:07 -0000 X-Received: by iwn40 with SMTP id 40so865534iwn.9 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:49:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.169.129 with SMTP id z1mr4492973iby.26.1275886147167; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:49:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.160.146 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:49:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <00c201cb04da$65afe900$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:49:07 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=WqKjvQRmVriadTRsrnOYruCZzPgwpbGq-WyCOjD3anlCrjZ6 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan and Scott, DAB+ isn't a replacement of the MW/AM band like IBOC. Our AM stations in Oz are still purely analogue. It's just that their material is being simulcast on the DAB+ band. The bitrate used by these stations is anywhere from 28Kbps to 120Kbps. The higher bitrates can sound quite good. Getting the stations to use a decent bitrate is a different story. I'm not sure how things are on the transmission side, but the current DAB+ receivers use more power than their AM/FM counterparts. This means a lower battery life. As Ian said, watching live sport with a DAB+ radio is impossible because of a 10+ second delay. I don't know why the delay is this long. Surely the coding/decoding does not take all that time. The delay isn't even this long for TV. On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:53 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > Mmmmmmm > > Mmmmmmm > > Mmmmmmm > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > wrote: > > > > Digital automatically means better. You mean you didn't know that? > Actually I don't either. ;) > > > > Scott Todd > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 07 02:01:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39238 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 09:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2010 09:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 09:01:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2010 09:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2010 09:00:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:00:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.222 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=AELhG7TMxACXegmwrgbeLRrJbcvl5hfDbHsdbkqcQM0tv9hTZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! That's my point, Daniel!!! How can we call "a better technology" something that has demonstrated it is= n't better!!! You're talking about the 10 seconds delay, but it is the minor problem here= . And I guess it could be fixed soon. The main problem is about the low bitrate (even 128 kbps is a low bitrate!!= !). The CD quality (the minimal kind of digital quality that is near the analog= High Fidelity quality) is 1440 kbps. Anything less than that rate is a low= bitrate (so... bad audio). Question: Can you put 1440 kbps bitrate into the standard AM channel? Answer: NO!!! Question: Can you put 1440 kbps bitrate into the standard FM channel? Answer: NO!!! (If you respect the FCC standards) That's the problem, dear friend. Simple and cruel, but real. I don't know why the DAB+ channels can not to handle the 1440 kbps full bit= rate. I thought it has enough room for that. Because your words, now I gues= s it is not that way. ??? I thought, we will be able to have a new band (VHF or UHF) some day with en= ough room (wiiiiiiiiiiiidest channels) to handle 1440 or more kbps and with= , at least, 1 KW power. MAYBE, some day. But, not now. Whatever, even with that wiiiiiiiidest channels... we have to wait for the = results because, I insist, the digital world works so fine INSIDE a full co= ntrollable enviroment (PCs, HDs, pendrives, memory cards, MP3, MP4, CDs, DV= Ds and BlueRay). Another too diferent thing is on the air (where there are = a lot of things absolutely out of the human control). LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!!!!!! Who says AMEN? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Juan and Scott, >=20 > DAB+ isn't a replacement of the MW/AM band like IBOC. Our AM stations in = Oz > are still purely analogue. >=20 > It's just that their material is being simulcast on the DAB+ band. The > bitrate used by these stations is anywhere from 28Kbps to 120Kbps. The > higher bitrates can sound quite good. Getting the stations to use a decen= t > bitrate is a different story. >=20 > I'm not sure how things are on the transmission side, but the current DAB= + > receivers use more power than their AM/FM counterparts. This means a lowe= r > battery life. >=20 > As Ian said, watching live sport with a DAB+ radio is impossible because = of > a 10+ second delay. I don't know why the delay is this long. Surely the > coding/decoding does not take all that time. The delay isn't even this lo= ng > for TV. >=20 > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:53 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > > wrote: > > > > > > Digital automatically means better. You mean you didn't know that? > > Actually I don't either. ;) > > > > > > Scott Todd > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 07 02:06:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98230 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 09:06:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2010 09:06:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 09:06:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2010 09:06:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2010 09:06:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:06:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c201cb04da$65afe900$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.222 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=osri0_4i_Qh9LniiJPRqK1nbwdXvkKSKFytlAEdUInTmWB2YNA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 01010111 01001000 01000001 01010100 01000001 01000110 01010101 01000011 01001011 Digital code, hahahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Digital automatically means better. You mean you didn't know that? Actu= ally I don't either. ;) >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 07 16:16:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31673 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 23:16:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2010 23:16:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 23:16:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74482 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2010 23:16:44 -0000 Message-ID: <988476.74286.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hddzY_gVM1kC3fm.HvRXmGEZfL9r.bgtlHDruV8kiOQ5cV0 KuHOOr0AMZEh6rqdSiuvWRZ5Srjb26sBIlQfjJmfus_R3ddM950JpjiTOPcN ZSrvwWa6eKFVYCAQ3JkGFV5CJe7KpU0ykaWbOnGZsD7c1PSlE5La.eTnjXV3 y.nO70TeZEv6MdHGnIouB9S0zWyj1RwcRUzWAdpPZAuZvGdeAM1kReuFAzy0 lYQQE0myQmJLHL_do31wGqZYe93f_gIR2w3QlAlRdzPtFORtdgqWTEGcHff1 VpmuDWqGzXlG9o2_fGyWfFPjRMO.hGAnlbE.1_FunadUKaI08gmEvDAIv93T iBW7_g_qZv3sGF5g0dmALvS3aWXqJWvi14lnteFw- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:16:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:16:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=f6BZptB-3UFtvLkLlpkkv2YC35ak9ht_6V4dZRAvsKol6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AMEN! =C2=A0Having heard a really good station on a really good receiver ba= ck then, I remember AMS sounding almost as good as FMS. =C2=A0Thank the FCC= and other governing bodies for taking the mordida from Motorola and making= C-QUAM the defacto standard, and all those receiver manufacturers who cons= ider AM to be for news, talk, and sports, and thus limiting the bandwidth t= o not much better than a telephone. A great idea was killed by inept implementation, corruption, and just plain= lack of promotion. WOWO had the right idea back then, they played MUSIC, went with the best sy= stem (PMX), and set up a prototype receiver in a busy hardware store for pe= ople to hear how good they sounded in stereo...before receivers were even o= n the market! =C2=A0And they weren't ashamed to call themselves STEREO 1190= , unlike a lot of stations that never even mentioned that they were in ster= eo. Given today's near-perfect fidelity AM transmitters, and the ease of DSP to= produce ANY of the systems, FM could be made to quiver in fear...but I gue= ss it's to late to promote ANYTHING that is analog or below 88 MHz...the da= mage to the market has already been done. Oh well, maybe AMS is just a curiosity today, but thank God for this forum,= where we can at least commiserate and keep the idea alive even if at low p= ower! It was amateur radio operators that pioneered things like SSB, skip, and ma= ny other now-common technologies, so us amateur broadcasters gotta do the s= ame...keep it in Stereo 'till "Uncle Charlie" shuts ya down!!! G --- On Mon, 6/7/10, dandocker wrote: From: dandocker Subject: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 12:20 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi there, this morning on the way to work, I was listening to Perth's 96FM (96fm.com.= au). After playing a track from 1985, the announcer said something like "1985, t= he year that AM Stereo was introduced in Australia. I wonder why they bothe= red. Maybe so it could sound twice as bad". These people have no idea how good AM can sound and neither do the public. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 07 16:23:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45790 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 23:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2010 23:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 23:23:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80204 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2010 23:23:28 -0000 Message-ID: <279476.79588.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: oggxJSUVM1mTsbX.FavzP4wlQxWF.h_PCch7iE68QdvQNTt NQn9vtE0k6YH24UqCe5M54mtedA1I5Hrdbsblw5F8kSvrGvNNnmqHGYVsWvs dmMKecnl23CMKUbMPBi_0iWlPrPogqIFp4xIGiNoX8TOBBzOOfMu4RsyXeSe SYX9DZ8hHI7A8HBPGOsS9KldG.BCmfh9G4GJTtwjW0n8sOq_hMmSlQY4rHA4 fu9oB1MXR8.YKxemce5a3BTcGM1LxYntYELVJOwMBzvDiiU9iELBoosQcib6 yhfe9WiVn3Ky0sTDzNh1W4oZ_E2ixcapk8_bAc4RMAO1tZpH9xY77HIw92NF cVHnjXppY0Ys- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:23:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:23:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=g0Q1dEm8r6rM5mv8L8QtykXtQ6mu2ZUT2-UnJDUSyKbuPw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 IBOC takes about 8.5 seconds to ENCODE, not sure about the decode, must be = tough turning good audio into hash, eh? 120 kB/s might sound better than a= distant station under severe conditions, but it can't be any match for a n= ice wide properly modulated analog signal, in the clear, on a good receiver= .=20 Analog forever, IBOC NEVER! G --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > From: Daniel Piccoli > Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 12:49 AM > Juan and Scott, >=20 > DAB+ isn't a replacement of the MW/AM band like IBOC. Our > AM stations in Oz > are still purely analogue. >=20 > It's just that their material is being simulcast on the > DAB+ band. The > bitrate used by these stations is anywhere from 28Kbps to > 120Kbps. The > higher bitrates can sound quite good. Getting the stations > to use a decent > bitrate is a different story. >=20 > I'm not sure how things are on the transmission side, but > the current DAB+ > receivers use more power than their AM/FM counterparts. > This means a lower > battery life. >=20 > As Ian said, watching live sport with a DAB+ radio is > impossible because of > a 10+ second delay. I don't know why the delay is this > long. Surely the > coding/decoding does not take all that time. The delay > isn't even this long > for TV. >=20 > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:53 PM, jotape1960 > wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , > > wrote: > > > > > > Digital automatically means better. You mean you > didn't know that? > > Actually I don't either. ;) > > > > > > Scott Todd > > > >=A0=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jun 07 16:28:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55589 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2010 23:27:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2010 23:27:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2010 23:27:58 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100607182731101425300010.0) with SMTP id <20100607182731101425300010> for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:27:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001101cb0699$772b9920$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:30:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:27:31 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=eUsQkuIcES-pm4Ypwbpw7lVvMxzLttHhrEa6pu4JJ8-BXIF7F2Yd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope you emailed the bloke explaining as much. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: dandocker To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 11:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo Hi there, this morning on the way to work, I was listening to Perth's 96FM (96fm.com.au). After playing a track from 1985, the announcer said something like "1985, the year that AM Stereo was introduced in Australia. I wonder why they bothered. Maybe so it could sound twice as bad". These people have no idea how good AM can sound and neither do the public. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jun 07 20:19:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9604 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 03:19:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 03:19:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f176.google.com) (209.85.214.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 03:19:06 -0000 X-Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so2631696iwn.35 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.157.17 with SMTP id z17mr5354372ibw.124.1275967146059; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:19:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:19:05 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=NeRi28t6Tyvw_11MeeguJetXFIrRf9Zb0Q_dmyhX9QE5DGIs X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love your enthusiasm my friend! AMEN hehe. You are definitely on the ball when you say that the CD bitrate is about 1500kbps (44100 samples of 16 bits x 2 for stereo). Audio data compression (MP3, AAC etc) uses psychoacoustic analysis to figure out what audio frequencies can be thrown away without the audience noticing. With a lower bitrate, more audio is thrown away and what you hear will be compromised. The AAC+ compression (slightly more efficient than MP3) used by DAB+ sounds very close to a CD to most people at 128kbps. If you want to put uncompressed (completely lossless) digital audio onto th= e air, then you may be better off giving analogue AM stations 20kHz of audio bandwidth each (40kHz to fit in the 2 sidebands). I need someone to confirm this, but this is probably more spectrally efficient than putting 1500kbps of audio onto a radio channel. This really supports your argument if you still think that 128k/s AAC+ is rubbish. You are a real audiophile!! On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > Hi!!! > > That's my point, Daniel!!! > > How can we call "a better technology" something that has demonstrated it > isn't better!!! > > You're talking about the 10 seconds delay, but it is the minor problem > here. And I guess it could be fixed soon. > > The main problem is about the low bitrate (even 128 kbps is a low > bitrate!!!). > > The CD quality (the minimal kind of digital quality that is near the anal= og > High Fidelity quality) is 1440 kbps. Anything less than that rate is a lo= w > bitrate (so... bad audio). > > Question: Can you put 1440 kbps bitrate into the standard AM channel? > Answer: NO!!! > > Question: Can you put 1440 kbps bitrate into the standard FM channel? > Answer: NO!!! (If you respect the FCC standards) > > That's the problem, dear friend. > > Simple and cruel, but real. > > I don't know why the DAB+ channels can not to handle the 1440 kbps full > bitrate. I thought it has enough room for that. Because your words, now I > guess it is not that way. ??? > > I thought, we will be able to have a new band (VHF or UHF) some day with > enough room (wiiiiiiiiiiiidest channels) to handle 1440 or more kbps and > with, at least, 1 KW power. MAYBE, some day. But, not now. > > Whatever, even with that wiiiiiiiidest channels... we have to wait for th= e > results because, I insist, the digital world works so fine INSIDE a full > controllable enviroment (PCs, HDs, pendrives, memory cards, MP3, MP4, CDs= , > DVDs and BlueRay). Another too diferent thing is on the air (where there = are > a lot of things absolutely out of the human control). > > LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!!!!!! > > Who says AMEN? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > Juan and Scott, > > > > DAB+ isn't a replacement of the MW/AM band like IBOC. Our AM stations i= n > Oz > > are still purely analogue. > > > > It's just that their material is being simulcast on the DAB+ band. The > > bitrate used by these stations is anywhere from 28Kbps to 120Kbps. The > > higher bitrates can sound quite good. Getting the stations to use a > decent > > bitrate is a different story. > > > > I'm not sure how things are on the transmission side, but the current > DAB+ > > receivers use more power than their AM/FM counterparts. This means a > lower > > battery life. > > > > As Ian said, watching live sport with a DAB+ radio is impossible becaus= e > of > > a 10+ second delay. I don't know why the delay is this long. Surely the > > coding/decoding does not take all that time. The delay isn't even this > long > > for TV. > > > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:53 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Digital automatically means better. You mean you didn't know that? > > > Actually I don't either. ;) > > > > > > > > Scott Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jun 07 20:48:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56299 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 03:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 03:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f169.google.com) (209.85.214.169) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 03:47:56 -0000 X-Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so2241365iwn.28 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:47:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.130.142 with SMTP id t14mr5562530ibs.155.1275968875818; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:47:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:47:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001101cb0699$772b9920$d503fea9@stodd> References: <001101cb0699$772b9920$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:47:55 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=zxBQWHCiuzKD-LUlKVZd7In6h5V5W8jCB3M4xzUZRNf6KwpU X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable :-) I was thinking of emailing him. The announcer was Darren de Mello I think i= f you guys want to have a go. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:27 AM, wrote: > > > Hope you emailed the bloke explaining as much. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dandocker > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 11:22 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > > Hi there, > > this morning on the way to work, I was listening to Perth's 96FM ( > 96fm.com.au). > > After playing a track from 1985, the announcer said something like "1985, > the year that AM Stereo was introduced in Australia. I wonder why they > bothered. Maybe so it could sound twice as bad". > > These people have no idea how good AM can sound and neither do the public= . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jun 08 00:12:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16703 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 07:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 07:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 07:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2010 07:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2010 07:12:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:12:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.169 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ic29JnH4f1NxSnMsayHApRGCSE19rcuoYW3zt1r-qYE9n7Hjaw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 When I have to use MP3, I use 48000 samples and 320 kbps only. Most of the time I use 48000 samples, 32 bits, Windows PCM (not compressed = audio). It is the best!!! BUT... I always use a trick: As we are an AM/FM combination (same audio to = both systems), I cut any frecuency above 15 kHz, because I don't have an Or= ban Optimod-FM and I don't know any other audio processor which handles too= well the FM pilot protection, the mother reason for the most FM Stereo pro= blems. So... the audio source is free of any kind of potential "dangerous" = frecuency when it reaches the processor. It doesn't have any effect in our = AM signal, of course. I really want to know if we could put a "high" bitrate digital format (some= thing like MP3 at 48000 samples 320 kbps) into an standard FM channel witho= ut compatibility problems with the analog stereo audio. I mean: theorically we have 43 kHz bandwidth space over the L-R subcarrier = USB limit. Enough to a very good 40 kHz full extra AM subcarrier (20 kHz au= dio bandwidth). Theorically enough to handle that rate. The question is about the residual "hush" crossover with the L-R analog aud= io. ??? I stopped to dream about the day when the FCC (or my local authorities) to = accept an AM channel system with 20 kHz audio bandwidth. Hahahahaha!!! It's= too much easy to dream with a dial without pirate stations!!! Hahahahahaha= !!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > I love your enthusiasm my friend! AMEN hehe. >=20 > You are definitely on the ball when you say that the CD bitrate is about > 1500kbps (44100 samples of 16 bits x 2 for stereo). Audio data compressio= n > (MP3, AAC etc) uses psychoacoustic analysis to figure out what audio > frequencies can be thrown away without the audience noticing. >=20 > With a lower bitrate, more audio is thrown away and what you hear will be > compromised. >=20 > The AAC+ compression (slightly more efficient than MP3) used by DAB+ soun= ds > very close to a CD to most people at 128kbps. >=20 > If you want to put uncompressed (completely lossless) digital audio onto = the > air, then you may be better off giving analogue AM stations 20kHz of audi= o > bandwidth each (40kHz to fit in the 2 sidebands). I need someone to confi= rm > this, but this is probably more spectrally efficient than putting 1500kbp= s > of audio onto a radio channel. This really supports your argument if you > still think that 128k/s AAC+ is rubbish. You are a real audiophile!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Hi!!! > > > > That's my point, Daniel!!! > > > > How can we call "a better technology" something that has demonstrated i= t > > isn't better!!! > > > > You're talking about the 10 seconds delay, but it is the minor problem > > here. And I guess it could be fixed soon. > > > > The main problem is about the low bitrate (even 128 kbps is a low > > bitrate!!!). > > > > The CD quality (the minimal kind of digital quality that is near the an= alog > > High Fidelity quality) is 1440 kbps. Anything less than that rate is a = low > > bitrate (so... bad audio). > > > > Question: Can you put 1440 kbps bitrate into the standard AM channel? > > Answer: NO!!! > > > > Question: Can you put 1440 kbps bitrate into the standard FM channel? > > Answer: NO!!! (If you respect the FCC standards) > > > > That's the problem, dear friend. > > > > Simple and cruel, but real. > > > > I don't know why the DAB+ channels can not to handle the 1440 kbps full > > bitrate. I thought it has enough room for that. Because your words, now= I > > guess it is not that way. ??? > > > > I thought, we will be able to have a new band (VHF or UHF) some day wit= h > > enough room (wiiiiiiiiiiiidest channels) to handle 1440 or more kbps an= d > > with, at least, 1 KW power. MAYBE, some day. But, not now. > > > > Whatever, even with that wiiiiiiiidest channels... we have to wait for = the > > results because, I insist, the digital world works so fine INSIDE a ful= l > > controllable enviroment (PCs, HDs, pendrives, memory cards, MP3, MP4, C= Ds, > > DVDs and BlueRay). Another too diferent thing is on the air (where ther= e are > > a lot of things absolutely out of the human control). > > > > LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!!!!!! > > > > Who says AMEN? > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > Juan and Scott, > > > > > > DAB+ isn't a replacement of the MW/AM band like IBOC. Our AM stations= in > > Oz > > > are still purely analogue. > > > > > > It's just that their material is being simulcast on the DAB+ band. Th= e > > > bitrate used by these stations is anywhere from 28Kbps to 120Kbps. Th= e > > > higher bitrates can sound quite good. Getting the stations to use a > > decent > > > bitrate is a different story. > > > > > > I'm not sure how things are on the transmission side, but the current > > DAB+ > > > receivers use more power than their AM/FM counterparts. This means a > > lower > > > battery life. > > > > > > As Ian said, watching live sport with a DAB+ radio is impossible beca= use > > of > > > a 10+ second delay. I don't know why the delay is this long. Surely t= he > > > coding/decoding does not take all that time. The delay isn't even thi= s > > long > > > for TV. > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:53 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Digital automatically means better. You mean you didn't know that= ? > > > > Actually I don't either. ;) > > > > > > > > > > Scott Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Jun 08 01:23:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68149 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 08:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 08:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f172.google.com) (209.85.214.172) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 08:23:16 -0000 X-Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so5506100iwn.17 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 01:23:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.3.202 with SMTP id 10mr5284207icp.35.1275985396182; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 01:23:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:23:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:23:16 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.172 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=JKGy3iv5Ol_2_ip5WruOsXztq65MrAU-TyhoiP7RXpMi8kH0 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think you would be able to put 320kbps of data on top of analog FM. Analog FM as it stands can sound excellent. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:12 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > When I have to use MP3, I use 48000 samples and 320 kbps only. > > Most of the time I use 48000 samples, 32 bits, Windows PCM (not compresse= d > audio). It is the best!!! > > BUT... I always use a trick: As we are an AM/FM combination (same audio t= o > both systems), I cut any frecuency above 15 kHz, because I don't have an > Orban Optimod-FM and I don't know any other audio processor which handles > too well the FM pilot protection, the mother reason for the most FM Stere= o > problems. So... the audio source is free of any kind of potential > "dangerous" frecuency when it reaches the processor. It doesn't have any > effect in our AM signal, of course. > > I really want to know if we could put a "high" bitrate digital format > (something like MP3 at 48000 samples 320 kbps) into an standard FM channe= l > without compatibility problems with the analog stereo audio. > > I mean: theorically we have 43 kHz bandwidth space over the L-R subcarrie= r > USB limit. Enough to a very good 40 kHz full extra AM subcarrier (20 kHz > audio bandwidth). Theorically enough to handle that rate. > > The question is about the residual "hush" crossover with the L-R analog > audio. ??? > > I stopped to dream about the day when the FCC (or my local authorities) t= o > accept an AM channel system with 20 kHz audio bandwidth. Hahahahaha!!! It= 's > too much easy to dream with a dial without pirate stations!!! > Hahahahahaha!!! > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > I love your enthusiasm my friend! AMEN hehe. > > > > You are definitely on the ball when you say that the CD bitrate is abou= t > > 1500kbps (44100 samples of 16 bits x 2 for stereo). Audio data > compression > > (MP3, AAC etc) uses psychoacoustic analysis to figure out what audio > > frequencies can be thrown away without the audience noticing. > > > > With a lower bitrate, more audio is thrown away and what you hear will = be > > compromised. > > > > The AAC+ compression (slightly more efficient than MP3) used by DAB+ > sounds > > very close to a CD to most people at 128kbps. > > > > If you want to put uncompressed (completely lossless) digital audio ont= o > the > > air, then you may be better off giving analogue AM stations 20kHz of > audio > > bandwidth each (40kHz to fit in the 2 sidebands). I need someone to > confirm > > this, but this is probably more spectrally efficient than putting > 1500kbps > > of audio onto a radio channel. This really supports your argument if yo= u > > still think that 128k/s AAC+ is rubbish. You are a real audiophile!! > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi!!! > > > > > > That's my point, Daniel!!! > > > > > > How can we call "a better technology" something that has demonstrated > it > > > isn't better!!! > > > > > > You're talking about the 10 seconds delay, but it is the minor proble= m > > > here. And I guess it could be fixed soon. > > > > > > The main problem is about the low bitrate (even 128 kbps is a low > > > bitrate!!!). > > > > > > The CD quality (the minimal kind of digital quality that is near the > analog > > > High Fidelity quality) is 1440 kbps. Anything less than that rate is = a > low > > > bitrate (so... bad audio). > > > > > > Question: Can you put 1440 kbps bitrate into the standard AM channel? > > > Answer: NO!!! > > > > > > Question: Can you put 1440 kbps bitrate into the standard FM channel? > > > Answer: NO!!! (If you respect the FCC standards) > > > > > > That's the problem, dear friend. > > > > > > Simple and cruel, but real. > > > > > > I don't know why the DAB+ channels can not to handle the 1440 kbps fu= ll > > > bitrate. I thought it has enough room for that. Because your words, n= ow > I > > > guess it is not that way. ??? > > > > > > I thought, we will be able to have a new band (VHF or UHF) some day > with > > > enough room (wiiiiiiiiiiiidest channels) to handle 1440 or more kbps > and > > > with, at least, 1 KW power. MAYBE, some day. But, not now. > > > > > > Whatever, even with that wiiiiiiiidest channels... we have to wait fo= r > the > > > results because, I insist, the digital world works so fine INSIDE a > full > > > controllable enviroment (PCs, HDs, pendrives, memory cards, MP3, MP4, > CDs, > > > DVDs and BlueRay). Another too diferent thing is on the air (where > there are > > > a lot of things absolutely out of the human control). > > > > > > LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!!!!!! > > > > > > Who says AMEN? > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > > > Juan and Scott, > > > > > > > > DAB+ isn't a replacement of the MW/AM band like IBOC. Our AM statio= ns > in > > > Oz > > > > are still purely analogue. > > > > > > > > It's just that their material is being simulcast on the DAB+ band. > The > > > > bitrate used by these stations is anywhere from 28Kbps to 120Kbps. > The > > > > higher bitrates can sound quite good. Getting the stations to use a > > > decent > > > > bitrate is a different story. > > > > > > > > I'm not sure how things are on the transmission side, but the curre= nt > > > DAB+ > > > > receivers use more power than their AM/FM counterparts. This means = a > > > lower > > > > battery life. > > > > > > > > As Ian said, watching live sport with a DAB+ radio is impossible > because > > > of > > > > a 10+ second delay. I don't know why the delay is this long. Surely > the > > > > coding/decoding does not take all that time. The delay isn't even > this > > > long > > > > for TV. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:53 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Digital automatically means better. You mean you didn't know > that? > > > > > Actually I don't either. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Tue Jun 08 02:03:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40315 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 09:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 09:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.143) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 09:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100608090303.WNDC23327.nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 09:03:03 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100608090302.UNJG1978.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 09:03:02 +0000 To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:03:02 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsGuhlmjnPTaIDQScOizUn2yW0TAgAKDC0g X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090203.4C0E0747.0004,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: ohA3FNzuXAD+xTJw2GbvOAN+x1ju9HE74J0WRdJtqQQbTljCu8jOJ4/2Y9kEn5723C5MPxCFPWsgYLzmXY7RiA== X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.143 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 From: Daniel Piccoli > The AAC+ compression (slightly more efficient than MP3) used by > DAB+ sounds very close to a CD to most people at 128kbps. Some of you guys in the Great US of A need a reality check. I love most of you on this list ... for your compassion and commitment to good radio in general ... and AM stereo in particular. The AM stereo era in Oz (1985 - 2007) was a tremendously happy time for me. I was obsessively supportive to it and enjoyed every moment of it. Yet it's already gone down in radio literature here as a huge failure. I still argue with locals (those who actually know that it existed) as to how good it was. I've said many times that I'm not technical. But I do respond to good sound when I hear it. That's why I was so obsessed with AM stereo. I've embraced DAB+ here because it's AMS's logical replacement. (Note: As Daniel has indicated, all AM and FM stations still continue to broadcast in analog. It won't be turned off for at least 10 to 15 years ... if ever.) The sound from my four (so far) DAB+ radios is equal to what I heard for over 20 years on AM stereo. Some of you seem to be talking about such wideband AM radio (Khz-wise) that it simply wouldn't be feasible. The spectrum is not large enough, and the cost of receivers that would do justice to such a change would be prohibitive to the average Joe. It won't happen in capitalistic America where the benchmarks are set so low. The Aussie government has finally done something right regarding radio. DAB+ is a robust system (just like digital TV). You either get a perfect signal ... or you don't. There's no interference. No having to rotate your receiver. Already we have almost twice the number of radio stations available (unfortunately transmitted by the far too few commercial owners who were protected on this occasion). And the listeners are embracing it. There's already a good variety of receivers available, and prices have steadily dropped in just over 10 months. You can already buy a decent DAB+ radio for less than A$70. (They started at over A$200.) And in my uneducated view I get the feel that DAB+ radios are made to a higher standard than average analog radios (just as AMAX AM stereo radios were). The FM bands on the two DAB+ radios which I still listen to some community FM stations on have been made to a higher standard than the FM bands on most of my other (analog) radios ... including the SRF-42. Digital radio is not to be feared. I'm happily embracing it. Hey UK Dave (from Brighton, England), how about giving us a status report on how DAB (without the +) radio is doing in the mother country? Though I already know that you seem to love internet radio and what might be happening there. Ian Melbourne From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Tue Jun 08 02:33:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67587 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 09:33:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 09:33:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 09:33:09 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100608093308.JFGQ24784.nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 09:33:08 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100608093307.VVKU1978.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 09:33:07 +0000 To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:33:08 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsGuhlmjnPTaIDQScOizUn2yW0TAgAKDC0gAAJYIyA= X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090209.4C0E0E54.008D,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: qBA2EtX+TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU67mJrM7hND2xDZcNhOPPWIqY6T0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AND ANOTHER THING ... (a postscript) I loved my old Sony AM Stereo AMAX digital tuner ... as far as I know the only AMS tuner ever commercially sold in Oz. That said, it was damned annoying when I turned on the TV (analog or digital) at the same time. The wonderful old Sony used to almost take off like a jumbo jet. The sound was horrible. With DAB+ plugged into the hi-fi system I can turn on the TV whenever I like without any disastrous repercussions to the radio signal. Given that many people have so many A/V gizmos this is another very pleasant benefit to listening to DAB+ radio. Ian St. Kilda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jun 08 04:31:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56551 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 11:31:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 11:31:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 11:31:08 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o58BUKaS031328 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:30:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bf3.6f0ef5e0 (43975) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:30:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m16.mail.aol.com (magic-m16.mail.aol.com [172.21.188.208]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD038-abc74c0e29c5332; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:30:13 -0400 Message-ID: <61447.65ad78bd.393f83c5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:30:13 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.188.208 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: cquam am stereo transmitter from greece?several questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ssPaz5wCwTZ5eW4IjsSuTrPcyZbpT-y6C_kxMfV0V4SBZm7fnkK55ZMsFiMOc_ZO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sotris, You should consider my phase to amplitude design which is very scaleable and efficient. I don't know how close it comes to the old Ampliphase patent(s) or if that is even a concern nowadays that the old RCA Broadcast Products division is no more. To my knowledge, there hasn't been an Ampliphase transmitter build for more than 30 years. When RCA was around, I think everyone was afraid to even come close to a RCA patent as the company would most assuredly sue you into oblivion even if they stole the idea from you to begin with. I read somewhere Sarnoff had St. Peter served with an injuction prohibiting him from admitting Armstong through the Pearly Gates as it would be a violation of the licensee rights granted the Almighty allowing the use the portal which RCA also claimed to have first discovered. There are two problems with a low level modulation scheme. First is efficiency because it requires linear amplification at high power levels. Second is trying to maintain signal amplitude and phase fidelity over the number of stages necessary to raise it to kilowatt-plus levels. Nothing degrades QAM like phase and amplitude distortion. My exciter can run fully legal Part 15 on its own with 80 mWrms carrier output. The logic outputs can drive fiber-optic lines that can easily be received and converted to drive 50kW-plus finals with a simple driver. The output tubes are either on or off, so amplitude distortion is not an issue. As the exciter controls phase, digital feedback can maintain accuracy. The nice thing is, and the reason why I design it, is that it can utilize the existing RF finals and power supply of Ampliphase transmitters which are still around. The exciter can do distortionless symmetrical and asymetrical supermodulation. Its native input is digital. If someone was building more than one of these, and for money, most likely there is most likely a semi-custom DSP engine solution rather than the ECL logic I used. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jun 08 05:49:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66850 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 12:49:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 12:49:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f186.google.com) (209.85.211.186) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 12:49:40 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yw0-f186.google.com with SMTP id 16so3860247ywh.32 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 05:49:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.133.30 with SMTP id k30mr17257234ann.42.1276001379988; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 05:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m39sm30438853ann.1.2010.06.08.05.49.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Jun 2010 05:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C0E3C61.8010806@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 08:49:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=1NYlxtjly2c9iP3GTwNjBon62tMcW0klzcWosov37WAyijLh4lEfWVSfrfncrA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 6/8/2010 5:03 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > Some of you guys in the Great US of A need a reality check. > Ian, you need to remember that Australia not only has a superior Digital TV standard, but has the FAR Superior DAB+ System for digital radio. Here in the USA, we are stuck with the HD-Radio system that piggy-backs the Digital carrier on the Analog AM and FM signals. This causes a Ton of interference with Analog radios with degraded performance of Digital radios. On AM Digital sounds like a low bit rate Real Audio Stream on Dial-Up. On FM Digital CAN sounds as good as Analog if only the main program is aired. What most broadcasters do is split the Digital up into 2 or 3 channels of low bit rate digital so FM sounds as bad as the AM. You also have to have a City-Grade signal on both AM and FM in order to get Digital, or it drops out to Analog. At the stations I am the Engineer for, we have elected to remain in Analog due to these issues. However, we are looking at HD in the future for an FM so we can broadcast in English on the Main channel and Spanish on the Secondary. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Jun 08 09:32:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93329 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 16:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 16:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f179.google.com) (209.85.212.179) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 16:32:32 -0000 X-Received: by pxi3 with SMTP id 3so2005490pxi.38 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:32:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.117.5 with SMTP id p5mr12169784wfc.23.1276014752559; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-113.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y27sm2047433wfi.17.2010.06.08.09.32.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <845C26BB584B4E2987F3AA8720259045@mygateway> To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 09:32:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=zuJmA2uXjWb1s3PmBx_TrGjRZ24Y_6-MP4GfLWmo19lnOEMI7xtj X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Ian what do they have in nz fore digital? Hank Smith marketing executive. Melaleuca INC. the wellness company ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:03 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? From: Daniel Piccoli > The AAC+ compression (slightly more efficient than MP3) used by > DAB+ sounds very close to a CD to most people at 128kbps. Some of you guys in the Great US of A need a reality check. I love most of you on this list ... for your compassion and commitment to good radio in general ... and AM stereo in particular. The AM stereo era in Oz (1985 - 2007) was a tremendously happy time for me. I was obsessively supportive to it and enjoyed every moment of it. Yet it's already gone down in radio literature here as a huge failure. I still argue with locals (those who actually know that it existed) as to how good it was. I've said many times that I'm not technical. But I do respond to good sound when I hear it. That's why I was so obsessed with AM stereo. I've embraced DAB+ here because it's AMS's logical replacement. (Note: As Daniel has indicated, all AM and FM stations still continue to broadcast in analog. It won't be turned off for at least 10 to 15 years ... if ever.) The sound from my four (so far) DAB+ radios is equal to what I heard for over 20 years on AM stereo. Some of you seem to be talking about such wideband AM radio (Khz-wise) that it simply wouldn't be feasible. The spectrum is not large enough, and the cost of receivers that would do justice to such a change would be prohibitive to the average Joe. It won't happen in capitalistic America where the benchmarks are set so low. The Aussie government has finally done something right regarding radio. DAB+ is a robust system (just like digital TV). You either get a perfect signal ... or you don't. There's no interference. No having to rotate your receiver. Already we have almost twice the number of radio stations available (unfortunately transmitted by the far too few commercial owners who were protected on this occasion). And the listeners are embracing it. There's already a good variety of receivers available, and prices have steadily dropped in just over 10 months. You can already buy a decent DAB+ radio for less than A$70. (They started at over A$200.) And in my uneducated view I get the feel that DAB+ radios are made to a higher standard than average analog radios (just as AMAX AM stereo radios were). The FM bands on the two DAB+ radios which I still listen to some community FM stations on have been made to a higher standard than the FM bands on most of my other (analog) radios ... including the SRF-42. Digital radio is not to be feared. I'm happily embracing it. Hey UK Dave (from Brighton, England), how about giving us a status report on how DAB (without the +) radio is doing in the mother country? Though I already know that you seem to love internet radio and what might be happening there. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jun 08 13:37:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18627 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 20:37:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 20:37:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 20:37:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96772 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2010 20:36:32 -0000 Message-ID: <57576.94471.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nwxDAAMVM1kLCovitPVeh8mM4cF12eDjXvIkHNyxiHHH6cK 1brIGBg37sGUcJNNVugQmaeZqHEIzaAwN7bsCyHMHgs6oX1iKmpDn73uoQ13 d76tqFaUS.Pty.DkhaoJZzYZyo.j7IIp1Ts0Ih.bQUjzCMPYexv.poKg2.Op xoD8Jojx.QpLZmb5SxKKw5qTRLXFXi3it9z4y96RhnHLkb5XTymXPRqJz3v_ OHOio_876zk5G9D5IloOoOSISB6Bl6TPlYQSQYsdSvguQdfsehjniRRRQfRK Rg0vcBZS8GvNgQNP5ssDZZhyLrsT_a_oTMib915zk9MNDhAPv_MD8gNnCCHk OqWLZNckgc_PKkL.x5qyPxQhnbIwwO9ngmY.Les6xdnCnkerD X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:36:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:36:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=SxCqS1ieYQP8iZaIQM_p2mbu2Txbdx6iCsSHs4tFlXQjYA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Definitely more efficient to use analog! AAC sounds OK to me at high bitra= tes, MP3 must be going really fast for me to find it good. Always thought, bit for bit, ATRAC 4.5 (Sony MiniDisc) blew them all away, but it is a dying codec, I'm afraid. I don't know if I am a REAL audiophile, I don't have $400 knobs on a $10,00= 0 amplifier full of cryogenically-treated tubes, just an ancient Sansui qua= d receiver feeding four fairly decent speakers, hardly high-end stuff. =20 It was sad that CD standards were set too low, 24-bit at 48 or even 96 kHz.= would run rings around fast tape or clean vinyl, but we have what we have,= I guess. Maybe we will get lucky and the record producers will start issu= ing music on Blu-Ray...8 uncompressed channels of 24/96 would sound SO good= ! In the real world, AM has to live with limited bandwidth, and often under h= arsh conditions, but it could still sound a LOT better than it usually does= . Given the 20 kHz it has to work with, digital will ALWAYS involve compro= mise! And to go digital stereo, one has two choices...cut the bitrate per c= hannel in half, and suffer even worse degradation of the sound, or use "joi= nt stereo coding", and compromise the sound field's integrity. Neither one = sounds very appealing to me! SO much could be done with AM, but I wonder if the market is still there? G =20=20=20=20 --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > From: Daniel Piccoli > Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 11:19 PM > I love your enthusiasm my friend! > AMEN hehe. >=20 > You are definitely on the ball when you say that the CD > bitrate is about > 1500kbps (44100 samples of 16 bits x 2 for stereo). Audio > data compression > (MP3, AAC etc) uses psychoacoustic analysis to figure out > what audio > frequencies can be thrown away without the audience > noticing. >=20 > With a lower bitrate, more audio is thrown away and what > you hear will be > compromised. >=20 > The AAC+ compression (slightly more efficient than MP3) > used by DAB+ sounds > very close to a CD to most people at 128kbps. >=20 > If you want to put uncompressed (completely lossless) > digital audio onto the > air, then you may be better off giving analogue AM stations > 20kHz of audio > bandwidth each (40kHz to fit in the 2 sidebands). I need > someone to confirm > this, but this is probably more spectrally efficient than > putting 1500kbps > of audio onto a radio channel. This really supports your > argument if you > still think that 128k/s AAC+ is rubbish. You are a real > audiophile!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, jotape1960 > wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Hi!!! > > > > That's my point, Daniel!!! > > > > How can we call "a better technology" something that > has demonstrated it > > isn't better!!! > > > > You're talking about the 10 seconds delay, but it is > the minor problem > > here. And I guess it could be fixed soon. > > > > The main problem is about the low bitrate (even 128 > kbps is a low > > bitrate!!!). > > > > The CD quality (the minimal kind of digital quality > that is near the analog > > High Fidelity quality) is 1440 kbps. Anything less > than that rate is a low > > bitrate (so... bad audio). > > > > Question: Can you put 1440 kbps bitrate into the > standard AM channel? > > Answer: NO!!! > > > > Question: Can you put 1440 kbps bitrate into the > standard FM channel? > > Answer: NO!!! (If you respect the FCC standards) > > > > That's the problem, dear friend. > > > > Simple and cruel, but real. > > > > I don't know why the DAB+ channels can not to handle > the 1440 kbps full > > bitrate. I thought it has enough room for that. > Because your words, now I > > guess it is not that way. ??? > > > > I thought, we will be able to have a new band (VHF or > UHF) some day with > > enough room (wiiiiiiiiiiiidest channels) to handle > 1440 or more kbps and > > with, at least, 1 KW power. MAYBE, some day. But, not > now. > > > > Whatever, even with that wiiiiiiiidest channels... we > have to wait for the > > results because, I insist, the digital world works so > fine INSIDE a full > > controllable enviroment (PCs, HDs, pendrives, memory > cards, MP3, MP4, CDs, > > DVDs and BlueRay). Another too diferent thing is on > the air (where there are > > a lot of things absolutely out of the human control). > > > > LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!!!!!! > > > > Who says AMEN? > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > Juan and Scott, > > > > > > DAB+ isn't a replacement of the MW/AM band like > IBOC. Our AM stations in > > Oz > > > are still purely analogue. > > > > > > It's just that their material is being simulcast > on the DAB+ band. The > > > bitrate used by these stations is anywhere from > 28Kbps to 120Kbps. The > > > higher bitrates can sound quite good. Getting the > stations to use a > > decent > > > bitrate is a different story. > > > > > > I'm not sure how things are on the transmission > side, but the current > > DAB+ > > > receivers use more power than their AM/FM > counterparts. This means a > > lower > > > battery life. > > > > > > As Ian said, watching live sport with a DAB+ > radio is impossible because > > of > > > a 10+ second delay. I don't know why the delay is > this long. Surely the > > > coding/decoding does not take all that time. The > delay isn't even this > > long > > > for TV. > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:53 PM, jotape1960 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > > > Mmmmmmm > > > > > > > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with > love > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Digital automatically means better. You > mean you didn't know that? > > > > Actually I don't either. ;) > > > > > > > > > > Scott Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > >=A0=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jun 08 13:38:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17528 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 20:38:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 20:38:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 20:38:55 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0L3P00BC3QOO5ED0@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4C2DC74E6D224BF0B80819CC7FC0D0EC@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <988476.74286.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <988476.74286.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:38:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18197 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=2V-ueFLc2EmS41ETZRxO8Qfm38TugyB6kYVJmpd8UNwj-w2cq96k-Ao X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AM do not stands for mediumwave, but for Amplitude Modulation... Since wideband AM stereo with say Motorola C-Quam is very good, then why do= not replace 88-108 FM with 88-108 AM MHZ and destroy FM completly... We wo= uld have AM on ultrashortwaves with a station on 88200 kHz, 88210, 88220, 8= 8230 kHz, etc. There are some advantages with USW in that the lightning QRM is almost inex= istent and there is more bandwidth available... The end result is an even b= igger advantage of Motorola C-Quam stereo versus multiplex FM stereo on ult= rashortwave... Come on guys, I wonder why anyone hasn`t even thinked about it ! The FCC sh= ould be more creative and less money-driven ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo =20=20=20=20 AMEN! Having heard a really good station on a really good receiver back = then, I remember AMS sounding almost as good as FMS. Thank the FCC and oth= er governing bodies for taking the mordida from Motorola and making C-QUAM = the defacto standard, and all those receiver manufacturers who consider AM = to be for news, talk, and sports, and thus limiting the bandwidth to not mu= ch better than a telephone. A great idea was killed by inept implementation, corruption, and just pla= in lack of promotion. WOWO had the right idea back then, they played MUSIC, went with the best = system (PMX), and set up a prototype receiver in a busy hardware store for = people to hear how good they sounded in stereo...before receivers were even= on the market! And they weren't ashamed to call themselves STEREO 1190, u= nlike a lot of stations that never even mentioned that they were in stereo. Given today's near-perfect fidelity AM transmitters, and the ease of DSP = to produce ANY of the systems, FM could be made to quiver in fear...but I g= uess it's to late to promote ANYTHING that is analog or below 88 MHz...the = damage to the market has already been done. Oh well, maybe AMS is just a curiosity today, but thank God for this foru= m, where we can at least commiserate and keep the idea alive even if at low= power! It was amateur radio operators that pioneered things like SSB, skip, and = many other now-common technologies, so us amateur broadcasters gotta do the= same...keep it in Stereo 'till "Uncle Charlie" shuts ya down!!! G --- On Mon, 6/7/10, dandocker wrote: From: dandocker Subject: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 12:20 AM =20=20=20 Hi there, this morning on the way to work, I was listening to Perth's 96FM (96fm.co= m.au). After playing a track from 1985, the announcer said something like "1985,= the year that AM Stereo was introduced in Australia. I wonder why they bot= hered. Maybe so it could sound twice as bad". These people have no idea how good AM can sound and neither do the public= . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jun 08 13:48:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1981 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2010 20:48:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2010 20:48:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2010 20:48:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74590 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2010 20:48:33 -0000 Message-ID: <716550.71212.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pjc4ov0VM1lHo3iFOHMZIqhdPjI3XSTBiqGJM8H.N.cY_bI Jbu7Z4lAw X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:48:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:48:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4C2DC74E6D224BF0B80819CC7FC0D0EC@MirelaPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=UW_q8zutwhYQWXKi27VHIK99TxGtWQfYbuvOY3I8mb3YtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FCC less money-driven? =C2=A0Man, I thought I was optimistic! =C2=A0Ain't g= onna happen, because in D.C., money talks and bull$#^% walks! =C2=A0As long= as the NAB cartel =C2=A0is pulling the strings, it can't get better. Creat= ive? =C2=A0maybe back in the 50's, never again. =C2=A0G --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 4:38 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 AM do not stands for mediumwave, but for Amplitude Modulation... Since wideband AM stereo with say Motorola C-Quam is very good, then why do= not replace 88-108 FM with 88-108 AM MHZ and destroy FM completly... We wo= uld have AM on ultrashortwaves with a station on 88200 kHz, 88210, 88220, 8= 8230 kHz, etc. There are some advantages with USW in that the lightning QRM is almost inex= istent and there is more bandwidth available... The end result is an even b= igger advantage of Motorola C-Quam stereo versus multiplex FM stereo on ult= rashortwave... Come on guys, I wonder why anyone hasn`t even thinked about it ! The FCC sh= ould be more creative and less money-driven ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo AMEN! Having heard a really good station on a really good receiver back th= en, I remember AMS sounding almost as good as FMS. Thank the FCC and other= governing bodies for taking the mordida from Motorola and making C-QUAM th= e defacto standard, and all those receiver manufacturers who consider AM to= be for news, talk, and sports, and thus limiting the bandwidth to not much= better than a telephone. A great idea was killed by inept implementation, corruption, and just pla= in lack of promotion. WOWO had the right idea back then, they played MUSIC, went with the best = system (PMX), and set up a prototype receiver in a busy hardware store for = people to hear how good they sounded in stereo...before receivers were even= on the market! And they weren't ashamed to call themselves STEREO 1190, u= nlike a lot of stations that never even mentioned that they were in stereo. Given today's near-perfect fidelity AM transmitters, and the ease of DSP = to produce ANY of the systems, FM could be made to quiver in fear...but I g= uess it's to late to promote ANYTHING that is analog or below 88 MHz...the = damage to the market has already been done. Oh well, maybe AMS is just a curiosity today, but thank God for this foru= m, where we can at least commiserate and keep the idea alive even if at low= power! It was amateur radio operators that pioneered things like SSB, skip, and = many other now-common technologies, so us amateur broadcasters gotta do the= same...keep it in Stereo 'till "Uncle Charlie" shuts ya down!!! G --- On Mon, 6/7/10, dandocker wrote: From: dandocker Subject: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 12:20 AM Hi there, this morning on the way to work, I was listening to Perth's 96FM (96fm.com.= au). After playing a track from 1985, the announcer said something like "1985, t= he year that AM Stereo was introduced in Australia. I wonder why they bothe= red. Maybe so it could sound twice as bad". These people have no idea how good AM can sound and neither do the public. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Jun 08 20:05:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57965 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 03:05:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2010 03:05:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f176.google.com) (209.85.214.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 03:05:48 -0000 X-Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so2752160iwn.7 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:05:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.188.150 with SMTP id da22mr6917453ibb.191.1276052744844; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:05:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C2DC74E6D224BF0B80819CC7FC0D0EC@MirelaPC> References: <988476.74286.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C2DC74E6D224BF0B80819CC7FC0D0EC@MirelaPC> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:05:44 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=XTaiJX5ntuvITDYNxYoeHeBn2PD4mSU4giEV-QMxEpnxwMzG X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Putting AM onto the VHF band (I think this is what you mean by 'ultra shortwave') is a really cool idea. Imagine how many stations we could fit in. Your channel spacings can be expanded further for true Hifi AM. Everyone will now have obsolete radios using the wrong modulation scheme at that frequency. Looks like software defined radio is the way to go. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > > AM do not stands for mediumwave, but for Amplitude Modulation... > > Since wideband AM stereo with say Motorola C-Quam is very good, then why = do > not replace 88-108 FM with 88-108 AM MHZ and destroy FM completly... We > would have AM on ultrashortwaves with a station on 88200 kHz, 88210, 8822= 0, > 88230 kHz, etc. > > There are some advantages with USW in that the lightning QRM is almost > inexistent and there is more bandwidth available... The end result is an > even bigger advantage of Motorola C-Quam stereo versus multiplex FM stere= o > on ultrashortwave... > > Come on guys, I wonder why anyone hasn`t even thinked about it ! The FCC > should be more creative and less money-driven ! > > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > > > AMEN! Having heard a really good station on a really good receiver back > then, I remember AMS sounding almost as good as FMS. Thank the FCC and ot= her > governing bodies for taking the mordida from Motorola and making C-QUAM t= he > defacto standard, and all those receiver manufacturers who consider AM to= be > for news, talk, and sports, and thus limiting the bandwidth to not much > better than a telephone. > A great idea was killed by inept implementation, corruption, and just pla= in > lack of promotion. > WOWO had the right idea back then, they played MUSIC, went with the best > system (PMX), and set up a prototype receiver in a busy hardware store fo= r > people to hear how good they sounded in stereo...before receivers were ev= en > on the market! And they weren't ashamed to call themselves STEREO 1190, > unlike a lot of stations that never even mentioned that they were in ster= eo. > Given today's near-perfect fidelity AM transmitters, and the ease of DSP = to > produce ANY of the systems, FM could be made to quiver in fear...but I gu= ess > it's to late to promote ANYTHING that is analog or below 88 MHz...the dam= age > to the market has already been done. > Oh well, maybe AMS is just a curiosity today, but thank God for this foru= m, > where we can at least commiserate and keep the idea alive even if at low > power! > It was amateur radio operators that pioneered things like SSB, skip, and > many other now-common technologies, so us amateur broadcasters gotta do t= he > same...keep it in Stereo 'till "Uncle Charlie" shuts ya down!!! > G > --- On Mon, 6/7/10, dandocker > > wrote: > > From: dandocker > > Subject: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 12:20 AM > > Hi there, > > this morning on the way to work, I was listening to Perth's 96FM ( > 96fm.com.au). > > After playing a track from 1985, the announcer said something like "1985, > the year that AM Stereo was introduced in Australia. I wonder why they > bothered. Maybe so it could sound twice as bad". > > These people have no idea how good AM can sound and neither do the public= . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jun 09 04:42:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94161 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 11:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2010 11:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 11:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2010 11:40:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2010 11:40:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:40:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.37 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=I7xOPtMmdcxTogo3LOPKC7nPw6YM7tRPq-k8gBTsSejULxsL2A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 The question is about we could handle, reasonably, the background noise iss= ue. The best reason to think AM is better than FM is the today FM Stereo system= !!! (Remember that the L-R is an standard AM signal without the main carrie= r, in other words: Double SideBand Suppressed Carrier DSBSC, the best mono = AM system). BUT... The reason because that signal works so well is because it is INSIDE= a very "clean" enviroment (inside the modulator signal as well). VHF and UHF has a lot of noise (if we compare it with the SW and MW bands).= But, the VHF-UHF noise is more predictable so... maybe, we could handle it= better than in MW and SW. Whatever, I don't know if there is someone in the real world which has enou= gh power to convince the full "square minds" of the FCC people, Hahahahahah= a!!! Just a question: If we could get a new VHF or UHF band to standar AM analog= ue station, Will somebody support some multichannel audio system? (I'm thin= king about something like the old Dolby Pro-Logic). because, digital or ana= log, the future IS, yes or yes, with more than 2 audio channels. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Putting AM onto the VHF band (I think this is what you mean by 'ultra > shortwave') is a really cool idea. Imagine how many stations we could fit > in. Your channel spacings can be expanded further for true Hifi AM. >=20 > Everyone will now have obsolete radios using the wrong modulation scheme = at > that frequency. Looks like software defined radio is the way to go. >=20 > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: >=20 > > > > > > AM do not stands for mediumwave, but for Amplitude Modulation... > > > > Since wideband AM stereo with say Motorola C-Quam is very good, then wh= y do > > not replace 88-108 FM with 88-108 AM MHZ and destroy FM completly... We > > would have AM on ultrashortwaves with a station on 88200 kHz, 88210, 88= 220, > > 88230 kHz, etc. > > > > There are some advantages with USW in that the lightning QRM is almost > > inexistent and there is more bandwidth available... The end result is a= n > > even bigger advantage of Motorola C-Quam stereo versus multiplex FM ste= reo > > on ultrashortwave... > > > > Come on guys, I wonder why anyone hasn`t even thinked about it ! The FC= C > > should be more creative and less money-driven ! > > > > May the good DX be with you ! > > Bogdan Chiochiu > > > > From: george russell > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:16 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > > > > > > AMEN! Having heard a really good station on a really good receiver back > > then, I remember AMS sounding almost as good as FMS. Thank the FCC and = other > > governing bodies for taking the mordida from Motorola and making C-QUAM= the > > defacto standard, and all those receiver manufacturers who consider AM = to be > > for news, talk, and sports, and thus limiting the bandwidth to not much > > better than a telephone. > > A great idea was killed by inept implementation, corruption, and just p= lain > > lack of promotion. > > WOWO had the right idea back then, they played MUSIC, went with the bes= t > > system (PMX), and set up a prototype receiver in a busy hardware store = for > > people to hear how good they sounded in stereo...before receivers were = even > > on the market! And they weren't ashamed to call themselves STEREO 1190, > > unlike a lot of stations that never even mentioned that they were in st= ereo. > > Given today's near-perfect fidelity AM transmitters, and the ease of DS= P to > > produce ANY of the systems, FM could be made to quiver in fear...but I = guess > > it's to late to promote ANYTHING that is analog or below 88 MHz...the d= amage > > to the market has already been done. > > Oh well, maybe AMS is just a curiosity today, but thank God for this fo= rum, > > where we can at least commiserate and keep the idea alive even if at lo= w > > power! > > It was amateur radio operators that pioneered things like SSB, skip, an= d > > many other now-common technologies, so us amateur broadcasters gotta do= the > > same...keep it in Stereo 'till "Uncle Charlie" shuts ya down!!! > > G > > --- On Mon, 6/7/10, dandocker = > > > wrote: > > > > From: dandocker > > > Subject: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 12:20 AM > > > > Hi there, > > > > this morning on the way to work, I was listening to Perth's 96FM ( > > 96fm.com.au). > > > > After playing a track from 1985, the announcer said something like "198= 5, > > the year that AM Stereo was introduced in Australia. I wonder why they > > bothered. Maybe so it could sound twice as bad". > > > > These people have no idea how good AM can sound and neither do the publ= ic. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Wed Jun 09 04:49:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97495 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 11:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2010 11:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.149) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 11:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100609114909.BHDQ18865.nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:49:09 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100609114909.YQKA1945.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:49:09 +0000 To: References: <845C26BB584B4E2987F3AA8720259045@mygateway> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:49:07 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <845C26BB584B4E2987F3AA8720259045@mygateway> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsHKDgDqh7grbwtR/myBC8xyCiAlAAj9b8A X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090203.4C0F7FB5.010F,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rBswFd37TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU632J7M7hND2xDdcNxuPOmgqY6X0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.149 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 From: hank smith > Hello Ian > what do they have in nz for digital? Hi Hank Your guess is as good as mine. I do know that NZ has embraced pretty much total deregulation (with analog AM and FM) more than other countries ... but it might work there as there's a small population so radio signals mightn't clash as much as they would anywhere else. I don't think they have anything like the number of local commercial or community (vulunteer) stations that we have in Oz. And surely that is a shame. I think radio in Kiwiland is pretty much national. They never embraced AM stereo, and as far as I know they're not embracing digital radio either. From: kj4hyd > Ian, you need to remember that Australia not only has a superior > Digital TV standard, but has the FAR Superior DAB+ System for digital > radio. Here in the USA, we are stuck with the HD-Radio system that > piggy-backs the Digital carrier on the Analog AM and FM signals. This > causes a Ton of interference with Analog radios with degraded > performance of Digital radios. Hi Kevin In this day and age (far from perfect) the average Joe doesn't want to listen to a pile of interference when tuned into his/her favourite radio station. Yet, that seems to be what some wonderful people here are advocating. I understand both sides of the argument. Most of us here will go to all lengths to get a clear and pure radio signal. The average Joe just wants something loud and clear. Forget everything else (including stereo). > At the stations I am the Engineer for, we have elected to remain > in Analog due to these issues. However, we are looking at HD in the > future for an FM so we can broadcast in English on the Main channel > and Spanish on the Secondary. This is understandable ... and helps the argument that in general radio stations will compromise quality in the name of product offered to it's listeners in its market. If the majority of listeners can't appreciate the quality difference why should a radio station supply it? ... as opposed to offering an alternative service? From: george russell > SO much could be done with AM, but I wonder if the market is > still there? Me too 3XY! But I'm sure analog AM radio will be with us in Oz for many years to come because AM radio stations' signals travel further, and in a time of crisis (like the bushfires last year) they perform an essential service. Our (government funded) Melbourne 3LO immediately became the natural and "official" station for any people under threat to listen to all over Victoria. It broadcasts at 50,000 power while the commercial majors only broadcast at 5,000 power. The wonderful 3LO did a great job with no advertising and a complete dropping of normal programming. Everything was directed to the crisis that was before us. Yet, in the official washup it would seem that the next time we have a similar disaster the government regulator is expecting that local commercial stations will rise to the occasion and do a better job. I'm not holding my breath. I do see the need for publicly funded radio. Given digital radio's strong start in OZ, the sad thing is that all DAB+ radios also have an FM band - but no AM band. We've seen this before with mobile phones (cellphones). From: Bogdan Chiochiu > Come on guys, I wonder why anyone hasn`t even thinked about it! > The FCC should be more creative and less money-driven! Yo Bogdan If only it was possible! Despite what George Washington envisaged, the "democracy" which in the USA has turned into being government by the best party that commercial money can buy - out of only two parties. If only you could have more viable alternative parties. But the fact you won't allow preferential voting means that you're stuck FOREVER with what you have. A TWO PARTY SYSTEM forever. Nothing will change until this is changed. It almost makes "democracy" a joke. The FCC will be more creative when it realises that money simply isn't as important as health and happiness. Not likely, given your US form of democratic government. Can anyone on this list justify your form of democratic government when it would take a new political party to actually poll 33.34% of the vote to get across the line? Why do you make it so difficult for new "democratic" parties to exist in what's supposed to be the Utopia of Democracies? May God help us all ... and may we listen to Him (or Her) in our own way. Ian Melbourne From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 09 08:11:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52985 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 15:11:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2010 15:11:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 15:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2010 15:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2010 15:11:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:11:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <57576.94471.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Digital Codecs for Broadcast? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=dLI7AhxQgHaNi4GQnuQ4AYqIoNdCXfXH6NeGLfiDP0OXvueTu1yqxBU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio George, I a have to agree with you, the Sony ATRAC 4.5 (Sony MiniDisc) code= c (at SP speed) is fantastic, and I would gladly accept a broadcaster who u= sed that - I consider that an analog equal to a cassette with Dolby C noise= reduction. Now if they could just license the ATRAC codec from Sony for d= igital broadcasting, that would be amazing. I wonder what the actual digit= al rate is ATRAC? It was also backwards compatible too, so continuous impr= ovements could be made as well - something I wish IBOC could be. Long live CQuam and the Minidisc. Actually, most of my CQuam recordings of= CFCO and WJR were made on minidics; only in the golden age of AM stereo (1= 985) did I have cassette copies of WNBC, WHAS, WCCO, WSM, CFRB, WCAU, WSPD,= WJR, CKLW, WBAP, WLS, 1560 in NYC, St. Louis, etc....WOW, there was a LOT = of them back then, and a joy to scan the dial at night waiting for that ST = indicator to illuminate! John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 09 08:17:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66345 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 15:17:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2010 15:17:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 15:17:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2010 15:15:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2010 15:15:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:15:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C2DC74E6D224BF0B80819CC7FC0D0EC@MirelaPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=P7zh6aPyyAu5maXxb6EBgRr69t0af0DYyhbbxbJRSc9UTBmChNVRJ0s X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mirela Chiochiu - is your AM stereo C-QUAM tuner available thru eBay or any= other USA sources yet? Can you post the technical specs in the "FILES" sec= tion for us? Thanks! John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jun 09 09:02:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15531 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 16:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2010 16:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 16:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2010 16:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2010 16:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2010 16:01:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:01:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.253 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Digital Codecs for Broadcast? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=fTQU7B6xj-SDkKt5nJ6AvdW_AK-gFJlOUKE3tFXs9XuknJCCwA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 PLEASE!!! Can you share your files into the forum, please? ??? BTW, ATRAC code is from Sony only? I have the doubt because there is some A= TRAC code use in somewhere but not as a Sony issue. ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > George, I a have to agree with you, the Sony ATRAC 4.5 (Sony MiniDisc) co= dec (at SP speed) is fantastic, and I would gladly accept a broadcaster who= used that - I consider that an analog equal to a cassette with Dolby C noi= se reduction. Now if they could just license the ATRAC codec from Sony for= digital broadcasting, that would be amazing. I wonder what the actual dig= ital rate is ATRAC? It was also backwards compatible too, so continuous im= provements could be made as well - something I wish IBOC could be. >=20 > Long live CQuam and the Minidisc. Actually, most of my CQuam recordings = of CFCO and WJR were made on minidics; only in the golden age of AM stereo = (1985) did I have cassette copies of WNBC, WHAS, WCCO, WSM, CFRB, WCAU, WSP= D, WJR, CKLW, WBAP, WLS, 1560 in NYC, St. Louis, etc....WOW, there was a LO= T of them back then, and a joy to scan the dial at night waiting for that S= T indicator to illuminate! >=20 > John > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jun 09 16:04:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35857 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2010 23:04:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2010 23:04:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2010 23:04:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52933 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2010 23:04:38 -0000 Message-ID: <729076.51686.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lXG2JsgVM1nFocPqiKR3NVgge4K7wPw_IfRaIgzDdt8VKXE KJTE.SE_0GJDJV8EuwzRXZNgC0WP6RqbD7w8iV.TNXqbIbGbCogZ3_17x.L6 38Uj.Ohwo6ZddmSYg9vJd0_O.ftX0aOW1K9yx22NE_Vm.GEYn..stjReHCLl m7bR94dkfjdK8uWEIBlhibovj0qx7v8wuxNcgi0WFPJ4ylUfbrWoSN7IVNcw mjgAl_9yRJxZCrOs5H9P4afsACTxWkSpo.VSGeKYHd00Cso54UlQ_oyoPaHo MTbK4NhBkNhTp0gMvkdtenfqvjsrOOKom0m3Na3Q3xChd5EtwLKIdA4KAoQS fjwSPRX6fS11qJQ-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:04:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.1.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:04:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=qEHcsnEzVk4a8a3h1RGk-etLIFT-UaInLc9luXjgLxKzCg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Man, you have an enviable collection of air checks!=C2=A0=C2=A0Bit rate for= MiniDisc is : 292 kb/s for SP, 132 for LP2, and 66 for LP4...LP4 using joi= nt stereo coding. =C2=A0HiMD uses ATRAC "Type R" for SP at 256 kb/s, and AT= RAC 3plus for the other two speeds. =C2=A0"Type R" is an improved version o= f 4.5, the signal is encoded, then double checked for possible better bit r= e-allocation, and re-encoded. The difference is subtle, most noticeable on = music with a lot of cymbals or brass, for most of what I do, I still prefer= the smooth sound of 4.5. =C2=A0What few artifacts might be audible, are so= slight and un-offensive as to make it virtually as good as CD. Of course, Sony being Sony, they were too late in making ATRAC easily avail= able. Too bad, it may have become the world-wide standard instead of MP3! (= RealPlayer 8 did use a form of ATRAC3) As for backward compatibility, the ATRAC stream carries some of the DE-codi= ng instructions, if you will, so that =C2=A0when a disc made with 4.5 is pl= ayed on an old MZ-1 with ATRAC 1, it "upgrades" the decoding and it sounds = just as good as when played on a newer deck. =C2=A0Oversimplified way of te= lling it, but you get the picture I'm sure.That built-in "upgrade" was one = of the things that sold me on ATRAC...the sound and editing power clinched = the deal! (Kinda cool sticking a HiMD disc in an old deck by mistake, and t= he screen saying "HiMD"...even though HiMD didn't even exist yet when the d= eck was built. :>) OK, I won't stray of topic any longer here, but do check out "minidisc.org"= , all kinds of tech stuff, history, great hacks (UTOC cloning!), even a few= good laughs. Read how HiMD works...Sony ingenuity at it's best! What receiver did you use to make all those recordings? =C2=A0Man, if we co= uld only go back...G --- On Wed, 6/9/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 11:11 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 George, I a have to agree with you, the Sony ATRAC 4.5 (Sony MiniDisc= ) codec (at SP speed) is fantastic, and I would gladly accept a broadcaster= who used that - I consider that an analog equal to a cassette with Dolby C= noise reduction. Now if they could just license the ATRAC codec from Sony= for digital broadcasting, that would be amazing. I wonder what the actual= digital rate is ATRAC? It was also backwards compatible too, so continuou= s improvements could be made as well - something I wish IBOC could be. Long live CQuam and the Minidisc. Actually, most of my CQuam recordings of= CFCO and WJR were made on minidics; only in the golden age of AM stereo (1= 985) did I have cassette copies of WNBC, WHAS, WCCO, WSM, CFRB, WCAU, WSPD,= WJR, CKLW, WBAP, WLS, 1560 in NYC, St. Louis, etc....WOW, there was a LOT = of them back then, and a joy to scan the dial at night waiting for that ST = indicator to illuminate! John =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Jun 09 18:17:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75070 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 01:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2010 01:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f178.google.com) (74.125.83.178) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 01:17:50 -0000 X-Received: by pvc21 with SMTP id 21so167788pvc.37 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:17:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.2.17 with SMTP id 17mr2984526wfb.76.1276132670427; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm2946387wfg.14.2010.06.09.18.17.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <729076.51686.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:17:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.178 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Wqlv5P4xDWnQqYb8VPu1JihS6tD4CnoCV5C6rvejjZTIrOmpdJXM X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable e can I get a atrac codec? Hank Smith marketing executive.=20 Melaleuca INC. the wellness company ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? =20=20=20=20 Man, you have an enviable collection of air checks! Bit rate for MiniDis= c is : 292 kb/s for SP, 132 for LP2, and 66 for LP4...LP4 using joint stere= o coding. HiMD uses ATRAC "Type R" for SP at 256 kb/s, and ATRAC 3plus for= the other two speeds. "Type R" is an improved version of 4.5, the signal = is encoded, then double checked for possible better bit re-allocation, and = re-encoded. The difference is subtle, most noticeable on music with a lot o= f cymbals or brass, for most of what I do, I still prefer the smooth sound = of 4.5. What few artifacts might be audible, are so slight and un-offensiv= e as to make it virtually as good as CD. Of course, Sony being Sony, they were too late in making ATRAC easily ava= ilable. Too bad, it may have become the world-wide standard instead of MP3!= (RealPlayer 8 did use a form of ATRAC3) As for backward compatibility, the ATRAC stream carries some of the DE-co= ding instructions, if you will, so that when a disc made with 4.5 is playe= d on an old MZ-1 with ATRAC 1, it "upgrades" the decoding and it sounds jus= t as good as when played on a newer deck. Oversimplified way of telling it= , but you get the picture I'm sure.That built-in "upgrade" was one of the t= hings that sold me on ATRAC...the sound and editing power clinched the deal= ! (Kinda cool sticking a HiMD disc in an old deck by mistake, and the scree= n saying "HiMD"...even though HiMD didn't even exist yet when the deck was = built. :>) OK, I won't stray of topic any longer here, but do check out "minidisc.or= g", all kinds of tech stuff, history, great hacks (UTOC cloning!), even a f= ew good laughs. Read how HiMD works...Sony ingenuity at it's best! What receiver did you use to make all those recordings? Man, if we could= only go back...G --- On Wed, 6/9/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 11:11 AM =20=20=20 George, I a have to agree with you, the Sony ATRAC 4.5 (Sony MiniDisc) co= dec (at SP speed) is fantastic, and I would gladly accept a broadcaster who= used that - I consider that an analog equal to a cassette with Dolby C noi= se reduction. Now if they could just license the ATRAC codec from Sony for = digital broadcasting, that would be amazing. I wonder what the actual digit= al rate is ATRAC? It was also backwards compatible too, so continuous impro= vements could be made as well - something I wish IBOC could be. Long live CQuam and the Minidisc. Actually, most of my CQuam recordings o= f CFCO and WJR were made on minidics; only in the golden age of AM stereo (= 1985) did I have cassette copies of WNBC, WHAS, WCCO, WSM, CFRB, WCAU, WSPD= , WJR, CKLW, WBAP, WLS, 1560 in NYC, St. Louis, etc....WOW, there was a LOT= of them back then, and a joy to scan the dial at night waiting for that ST= indicator to illuminate! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Jun 09 19:10:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31286 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 02:10:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2010 02:10:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f172.google.com) (209.85.214.172) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 02:10:32 -0000 X-Received: by mail-iw0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 42so8266019iwn.17 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:10:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.59.1 with SMTP id j1mr4286207ibh.55.1276135831799; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:10:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:10:31 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=-C3S4vZ4w5wN1BmkYGPPZsUlBBRbLap4N6GS7bHABY_z6dvK X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, I think that you can put Dolby Pro-Logic material over standard AM or FM stereo. Pro-logic uses matrix encoding (tricks with phase) to allow 3 channels (Left, right and rear) to be encoded onto a normal stereo channel. eg. Analog TV only has 2 channels (stereo). Pro logic material is transmitted on this quite often. Having said that, I think the jump from mono to stereo adds significantly more listener enjoyment than the jump from stereo to surround. Also, most music material is in Stereo. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:40 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > The question is about we could handle, reasonably, the background noise > issue. > > The best reason to think AM is better than FM is the today FM Stereo > system!!! (Remember that the L-R is an standard AM signal without the mai= n > carrier, in other words: Double SideBand Suppressed Carrier DSBSC, the be= st > mono AM system). > > BUT... The reason because that signal works so well is because it is INSI= DE > a very "clean" enviroment (inside the modulator signal as well). > > VHF and UHF has a lot of noise (if we compare it with the SW and MW bands= ). > But, the VHF-UHF noise is more predictable so... maybe, we could handle i= t > better than in MW and SW. > > Whatever, I don't know if there is someone in the real world which has > enough power to convince the full "square minds" of the FCC people, > Hahahahahaha!!! > > Just a question: If we could get a new VHF or UHF band to standar AM > analogue station, Will somebody support some multichannel audio system? (= I'm > thinking about something like the old Dolby Pro-Logic). because, digital = or > analog, the future IS, yes or yes, with more than 2 audio channels. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > Putting AM onto the VHF band (I think this is what you mean by 'ultra > > shortwave') is a really cool idea. Imagine how many stations we could f= it > > in. Your channel spacings can be expanded further for true Hifi AM. > > > > Everyone will now have obsolete radios using the wrong modulation schem= e > at > > that frequency. Looks like software defined radio is the way to go. > > > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > AM do not stands for mediumwave, but for Amplitude Modulation... > > > > > > Since wideband AM stereo with say Motorola C-Quam is very good, then > why do > > > not replace 88-108 FM with 88-108 AM MHZ and destroy FM completly... = We > > > would have AM on ultrashortwaves with a station on 88200 kHz, 88210, > 88220, > > > 88230 kHz, etc. > > > > > > There are some advantages with USW in that the lightning QRM is almos= t > > > inexistent and there is more bandwidth available... The end result is > an > > > even bigger advantage of Motorola C-Quam stereo versus multiplex FM > stereo > > > on ultrashortwave... > > > > > > Come on guys, I wonder why anyone hasn`t even thinked about it ! The > FCC > > > should be more creative and less money-driven ! > > > > > > May the good DX be with you ! > > > Bogdan Chiochiu > > > > > > From: george russell > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > > > > > > > > > AMEN! Having heard a really good station on a really good receiver ba= ck > > > then, I remember AMS sounding almost as good as FMS. Thank the FCC an= d > other > > > governing bodies for taking the mordida from Motorola and making C-QU= AM > the > > > defacto standard, and all those receiver manufacturers who consider A= M > to be > > > for news, talk, and sports, and thus limiting the bandwidth to not mu= ch > > > better than a telephone. > > > A great idea was killed by inept implementation, corruption, and just > plain > > > lack of promotion. > > > WOWO had the right idea back then, they played MUSIC, went with the > best > > > system (PMX), and set up a prototype receiver in a busy hardware stor= e > for > > > people to hear how good they sounded in stereo...before receivers wer= e > even > > > on the market! And they weren't ashamed to call themselves STEREO 119= 0, > > > unlike a lot of stations that never even mentioned that they were in > stereo. > > > Given today's near-perfect fidelity AM transmitters, and the ease of > DSP to > > > produce ANY of the systems, FM could be made to quiver in fear...but = I > guess > > > it's to late to promote ANYTHING that is analog or below 88 MHz...the > damage > > > to the market has already been done. > > > Oh well, maybe AMS is just a curiosity today, but thank God for this > forum, > > > where we can at least commiserate and keep the idea alive even if at > low > > > power! > > > It was amateur radio operators that pioneered things like SSB, skip, > and > > > many other now-common technologies, so us amateur broadcasters gotta = do > the > > > same...keep it in Stereo 'till "Uncle Charlie" shuts ya down!!! > > > G > > > --- On Mon, 6/7/10, dandocker >> > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: dandocker > > > > > Subject: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 12:20 AM > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > this morning on the way to work, I was listening to Perth's 96FM ( > > > 96fm.com.au). > > > > > > After playing a track from 1985, the announcer said something like > "1985, > > > the year that AM Stereo was introduced in Australia. I wonder why the= y > > > bothered. Maybe so it could sound twice as bad". > > > > > > These people have no idea how good AM can sound and neither do the > public. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jun 09 20:05:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88117 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 03:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2010 03:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 03:05:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19669 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2010 03:05:24 -0000 Message-ID: <237610.16883.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0dJNRasVM1lfs7YX.Gc_PBlbsyfKqG2s9GIqnilCDWOEztW SDG.Jdbil8GUjlMsu0_hC.2F6NjN5aGcc18ogwQJtv2OZrz81OEb3hfaO8ky DLySaD8ZHFfdecv2GDaYuM32FtUOmy7GfvRMRZJy1Mj9WyKgB1W3YrZa6aHi XnKJRdUyVHVVacZLdf2RplViEoW58LVBPjpy7IWebZQ5aMUyD6HGt_Szf5mk YEVcJLH0Z4iriChKKhYyCHzUd0F3xXItA8TmzD37fBEVliVM7TLr4I4XsQBD S4FVkJ.ee00NSSM_bhjanjL5D1ijvmin3jaQMhFlPwX6js5XFUP2gLcosU97 M1ZNKALUH5mJsdlXo3rTJD0KA..E- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 20:05:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.1.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:05:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=N2lIsj94ejGRttkS7rRRMQ6lYB0rlyJbzND6WqaY7L2saA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, last I heard you could get ATRAC3 free as a download, from a site cal= led "AtracLife.com" but that may have only been DEcode, not sure. =C2=A0If = you find somebody with a MiniDisc recorder that still has the CD/ROM that c= ame with it ("Sonic Forge" I think it was called), that will allow you to i= nstall ATRAC encoding in your computer.I wish I could be more definitive, b= ut honestly, I've never fed anything into ANY MiniDisc device but analog au= dio, so it's all greek to me. I know the newer recorders have a digital plu= g (USB port?) but never used it...I'm too "computer illiterate", I'm afraid= !An alternative would be to get an old Sony broadcast MiniDisc deck, with b= oth ATRAC inputs and outputs, as well as XLR jacks, then you could encode v= ersion 4.5! Those decks turn up frequently on eBay, often for a very good p= rice. Or get a consumer deck, and tap off the signal at the record head. (t= op side =C2=A0of disc)I'm off to bed right now, but tomorrow I'll see if I can dig up better details for you, Hank.G --- On Wed, 6/9/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 9:17 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 e can I get a atrac codec? Hank Smith marketing executive.=20 Melaleuca INC. the wellness company ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? Man, you have an enviable collection of air checks! Bit rate for MiniDisc = is : 292 kb/s for SP, 132 for LP2, and 66 for LP4...LP4 using joint stereo = coding. HiMD uses ATRAC "Type R" for SP at 256 kb/s, and ATRAC 3plus for t= he other two speeds. "Type R" is an improved version of 4.5, the signal is= encoded, then double checked for possible better bit re-allocation, and re= -encoded. The difference is subtle, most noticeable on music with a lot of = cymbals or brass, for most of what I do, I still prefer the smooth sound of= 4.5. What few artifacts might be audible, are so slight and un-offensive = as to make it virtually as good as CD. Of course, Sony being Sony, they were too late in making ATRAC easily ava= ilable. Too bad, it may have become the world-wide standard instead of MP3!= (RealPlayer 8 did use a form of ATRAC3) As for backward compatibility, the ATRAC stream carries some of the DE-co= ding instructions, if you will, so that when a disc made with 4.5 is playe= d on an old MZ-1 with ATRAC 1, it "upgrades" the decoding and it sounds jus= t as good as when played on a newer deck. Oversimplified way of telling it= , but you get the picture I'm sure.That built-in "upgrade" was one of the t= hings that sold me on ATRAC...the sound and editing power clinched the deal= ! (Kinda cool sticking a HiMD disc in an old deck by mistake, and the scree= n saying "HiMD"...even though HiMD didn't even exist yet when the deck was = built. :>) OK, I won't stray of topic any longer here, but do check out "minidisc.or= g", all kinds of tech stuff, history, great hacks (UTOC cloning!), even a f= ew good laughs. Read how HiMD works...Sony ingenuity at it's best! What receiver did you use to make all those recordings? Man, if we could= only go back...G --- On Wed, 6/9/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 11:11 AM George, I a have to agree with you, the Sony ATRAC 4.5 (Sony MiniDisc) code= c (at SP speed) is fantastic, and I would gladly accept a broadcaster who u= sed that - I consider that an analog equal to a cassette with Dolby C noise= reduction. Now if they could just license the ATRAC codec from Sony for di= gital broadcasting, that would be amazing. I wonder what the actual digital= rate is ATRAC? It was also backwards compatible too, so continuous improve= ments could be made as well - something I wish IBOC could be. Long live CQuam and the Minidisc. Actually, most of my CQuam recordings of = CFCO and WJR were made on minidics; only in the golden age of AM stereo (19= 85) did I have cassette copies of WNBC, WHAS, WCCO, WSM, CFRB, WCAU, WSPD, = WJR, CKLW, WBAP, WLS, 1560 in NYC, St. Louis, etc....WOW, there was a LOT o= f them back then, and a joy to scan the dial at night waiting for that ST i= ndicator to illuminate! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jun 09 20:29:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69581 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 03:29:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2010 03:29:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 03:29:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7891 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2010 03:29:15 -0000 Message-ID: <343849.6945.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qIuxWUkVM1nDlmgabG_AW6G9DD5Z93yYP7NuR3BhAD5yIN6 fc6qynIV45iPGCAd5wzVBeclvBMtI0jJrrEgGwmQ479HH3naFIFVt78wuDv1 D7QaiG2XRW0B9ouXwH.oo.GlZfrEy8ilokZtTt4QSq0OyLATk37uUNU3I1mc ei0GGZ9oMXMKBMo0B.MYhi_iMjHprP6Ko8NB8ZiEiHKDQFP_wp1iCkSWwfbc qGbMsEiA4JINga5wyQMKXKivTWzHflQcW9unvNTaopN2yoeeBmueYGII0SfJ DeFIBE42IX1dxgw.Mnhis_2nxHWN3kL8llfXvSm7FUV.549j03tpQXb7v4Rh Ze41cWUrWpAaCtr3VFlZMhWYmcfKK_Q-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 20:29:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.1.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:29:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=gnSE0JM9FqBv7zOX8THf3FXiaWW4unmQCAbPA-ZTWu91eg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, you can put ANY matrix system over any stereo system (as long as there= are no phase or level errors between L and R), conceivably getting five ch= annels (ProLogic II) on AM stereo. Be aware, though, any sound in the rear = channels results in more L-R than L+R, a condition that at high levels may = not sit well with C-QUAM. A guy on the Quad Forum played some SQ-encoded r= ecords on a C-QUAM station, and says they decoded just fine. Most music is in stereo? Well, it is marked as such, but you would be surp= rised how many artists/engineers use phase angles to "spice up" the imaging= on playback...and when you run that through a matrix decoder (especially P= roLogic II or Sansui QS), there can be a LOT going on in the rear channels!= Biggest difference between a "quad"/"surround" recording and a "stereo" r= ecording is wether those phase angles are intended to put the sound in a ce= rtain channel. or just "spice up" two-channel playback. I have a lot of "s= tereo" recordings that sound better through a matrix decoder than those mar= ked "quad"! Try it and see, play a stereo recording, especially late 70's on, through y= our surround receiver, and if it is ProLogic II, set it on "music" mode, wi= th the "panarama" option on. You will swear some of the stuff is DELIBERAT= ELY encoded! Playing with phase goes way back, Jimmy Hendrix's "Electric Ladyland" album= had all kinds of deliberate phase inversions and shifts, made well before = the Quad era. Almost like Jimmy saw Quad coming, 'cause it sure sounds like= it! G=20=20 --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > From: Daniel Piccoli > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 10:10 PM > Hi Juan, >=20 > I think that you can put Dolby Pro-Logic material over > standard AM or FM > stereo. Pro-logic uses matrix encoding (tricks with phase) > to allow 3 > channels (Left, right and rear) to be encoded onto a normal > stereo channel. >=20 > eg. Analog TV only has 2 channels (stereo). Pro logic > material is > transmitted on this quite often. >=20 > Having said that, I think the jump from mono to stereo adds > significantly > more listener enjoyment than the jump from stereo to > surround. Also, most > music material is in Stereo. >=20 > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:40 PM, jotape1960 > wrote: >=20 > > > > > > The question is about we could handle, reasonably, the > background noise > > issue. > > > > The best reason to think AM is better than FM is the > today FM Stereo > > system!!! (Remember that the L-R is an standard AM > signal without the main > > carrier, in other words: Double SideBand Suppressed > Carrier DSBSC, the best > > mono AM system). > > > > BUT... The reason because that signal works so well is > because it is INSIDE > > a very "clean" enviroment (inside the modulator signal > as well). > > > > VHF and UHF has a lot of noise (if we compare it with > the SW and MW bands). > > But, the VHF-UHF noise is more predictable so... > maybe, we could handle it > > better than in MW and SW. > > > > Whatever, I don't know if there is someone in the real > world which has > > enough power to convince the full "square minds" of > the FCC people, > > Hahahahahaha!!! > > > > Just a question: If we could get a new VHF or UHF band > to standar AM > > analogue station, Will somebody support some > multichannel audio system? (I'm > > thinking about something like the old Dolby > Pro-Logic). because, digital or > > analog, the future IS, yes or yes, with more than 2 > audio channels. > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > Putting AM onto the VHF band (I think this is > what you mean by 'ultra > > > shortwave') is a really cool idea. Imagine how > many stations we could fit > > > in. Your channel spacings can be expanded further > for true Hifi AM. > > > > > > Everyone will now have obsolete radios using the > wrong modulation scheme > > at > > > that frequency. Looks like software defined radio > is the way to go. > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Mirela Chiochiu > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AM do not stands for mediumwave, but for > Amplitude Modulation... > > > > > > > > Since wideband AM stereo with say Motorola > C-Quam is very good, then > > why do > > > > not replace 88-108 FM with 88-108 AM MHZ and > destroy FM completly... We > > > > would have AM on ultrashortwaves with a > station on 88200 kHz, 88210, > > 88220, > > > > 88230 kHz, etc. > > > > > > > > There are some advantages with USW in that > the lightning QRM is almost > > > > inexistent and there is more bandwidth > available... The end result is > > an > > > > even bigger advantage of Motorola C-Quam > stereo versus multiplex FM > > stereo > > > > on ultrashortwave... > > > > > > > > Come on guys, I wonder why anyone hasn`t > even thinked about it ! The > > FCC > > > > should be more creative and less > money-driven ! > > > > > > > > May the good DX be with you ! > > > > Bogdan Chiochiu > > > > > > > > From: george russell > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:16 PM > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > > > > > > > > > > > > AMEN! Having heard a really good station on > a really good receiver back > > > > then, I remember AMS sounding almost as good > as FMS. Thank the FCC and > > other > > > > governing bodies for taking the mordida from > Motorola and making C-QUAM > > the > > > > defacto standard, and all those receiver > manufacturers who consider AM > > to be > > > > for news, talk, and sports, and thus > limiting the bandwidth to not much > > > > better than a telephone. > > > > A great idea was killed by inept > implementation, corruption, and just > > plain > > > > lack of promotion. > > > > WOWO had the right idea back then, they > played MUSIC, went with the > > best > > > > system (PMX), and set up a prototype > receiver in a busy hardware store > > for > > > > people to hear how good they sounded in > stereo...before receivers were > > even > > > > on the market! And they weren't ashamed to > call themselves STEREO 1190, > > > > unlike a lot of stations that never even > mentioned that they were in > > stereo. > > > > Given today's near-perfect fidelity AM > transmitters, and the ease of > > DSP to > > > > produce ANY of the systems, FM could be made > to quiver in fear...but I > > guess > > > > it's to late to promote ANYTHING that is > analog or below 88 MHz...the > > damage > > > > to the market has already been done. > > > > Oh well, maybe AMS is just a curiosity > today, but thank God for this > > forum, > > > > where we can at least commiserate and keep > the idea alive even if at > > low > > > > power! > > > > It was amateur radio operators that > pioneered things like SSB, skip, > > and > > > > many other now-common technologies, so us > amateur broadcasters gotta do > > the > > > > same...keep it in Stereo 'till "Uncle > Charlie" shuts ya down!!! > > > > G > > > > --- On Mon, 6/7/10, dandocker > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: dandocker > > > > > > > Subject: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 12:20 AM > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > this morning on the way to work, I was > listening to Perth's 96FM ( > > > > 96fm.com.au). > > > > > > > > After playing a track from 1985, the > announcer said something like > > "1985, > > > > the year that AM Stereo was introduced in > Australia. I wonder why they > > > > bothered. Maybe so it could sound twice as > bad". > > > > > > > > These people have no idea how good AM can > sound and neither do the > > public. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > >=A0=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Jun 09 21:38:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57169 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 04:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2010 04:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f178.google.com) (209.85.212.178) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 04:38:26 -0000 X-Received: by pxi5 with SMTP id 5so2321774pxi.9 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:37:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.20.26 with SMTP id x26mr2543752wfi.270.1276144645801; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y27sm3047846wfi.5.2010.06.09.21.37.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1251B47C0DD14080B2D51C972D903EB8@mygateway> To: References: <237610.16883.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:37:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=7cXQg0yB8R22vM0WSfotQ9gYPUPwSiH-LzE-tB2KLU8qwyAF-E_H X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable asome if you can give me any model numbers of the older decks, and also places to= get the mini disc I would be interested. next part of this message is radiostation related besides I need one fore my internet/part15/ other radio station. am trying to find a way to get my station on cox cable. any one ventured down that road? Hank Smith marketing executive.=20 Melaleuca INC. the wellness company ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? =20=20=20=20 Well, last I heard you could get ATRAC3 free as a download, from a site c= alled "AtracLife.com" but that may have only been DEcode, not sure. If you= find somebody with a MiniDisc recorder that still has the CD/ROM that came= with it ("Sonic Forge" I think it was called), that will allow you to inst= all ATRAC encoding in your computer.I wish I could be more definitive, but = honestly, I've never fed anything into ANY MiniDisc device but analog audio= , so it's all greek to me. I know the newer recorders have a digital plug (= USB port?) but never used it...I'm too "computer illiterate", I'm afraid!An= alternative would be to get an old Sony broadcast MiniDisc deck, with both= ATRAC inputs and outputs, as well as XLR jacks, then you could encode vers= ion 4.5! Those decks turn up frequently on eBay, often for a very good pric= e. Or get a consumer deck, and tap off the signal at the record head. (top = side of disc)I'm off to bed right now, but tomorrow I'll see if I can dig up better details for you, Hank.G --- On Wed, 6/9/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 9:17 PM =20=20=20 e can I get a atrac codec? Hank Smith marketing executive.=20 Melaleuca INC. the wellness company ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? Man, you have an enviable collection of air checks! Bit rate for MiniDisc= is : 292 kb/s for SP, 132 for LP2, and 66 for LP4...LP4 using joint stereo= coding. HiMD uses ATRAC "Type R" for SP at 256 kb/s, and ATRAC 3plus for t= he other two speeds. "Type R" is an improved version of 4.5, the signal is = encoded, then double checked for possible better bit re-allocation, and re-= encoded. The difference is subtle, most noticeable on music with a lot of c= ymbals or brass, for most of what I do, I still prefer the smooth sound of = 4.5. What few artifacts might be audible, are so slight and un-offensive as= to make it virtually as good as CD. Of course, Sony being Sony, they were too late in making ATRAC easily ava= ilable. Too bad, it may have become the world-wide standard instead of MP3!= (RealPlayer 8 did use a form of ATRAC3) As for backward compatibility, the ATRAC stream carries some of the DE-co= ding instructions, if you will, so that when a disc made with 4.5 is played= on an old MZ-1 with ATRAC 1, it "upgrades" the decoding and it sounds just= as good as when played on a newer deck. Oversimplified way of telling it, = but you get the picture I'm sure.That built-in "upgrade" was one of the thi= ngs that sold me on ATRAC...the sound and editing power clinched the deal! = (Kinda cool sticking a HiMD disc in an old deck by mistake, and the screen = saying "HiMD"...even though HiMD didn't even exist yet when the deck was bu= ilt. :>) OK, I won't stray of topic any longer here, but do check out "minidisc.or= g", all kinds of tech stuff, history, great hacks (UTOC cloning!), even a f= ew good laughs. Read how HiMD works...Sony ingenuity at it's best! What receiver did you use to make all those recordings? Man, if we could = only go back...G --- On Wed, 6/9/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 11:11 AM George, I a have to agree with you, the Sony ATRAC 4.5 (Sony MiniDisc) co= dec (at SP speed) is fantastic, and I would gladly accept a broadcaster who= used that - I consider that an analog equal to a cassette with Dolby C noi= se reduction. Now if they could just license the ATRAC codec from Sony for = digital broadcasting, that would be amazing. I wonder what the actual digit= al rate is ATRAC? It was also backwards compatible too, so continuous impro= vements could be made as well - something I wish IBOC could be. Long live CQuam and the Minidisc. Actually, most of my CQuam recordings o= f CFCO and WJR were made on minidics; only in the golden age of AM stereo (= 1985) did I have cassette copies of WNBC, WHAS, WCCO, WSM, CFRB, WCAU, WSPD= , WJR, CKLW, WBAP, WLS, 1560 in NYC, St. Louis, etc....WOW, there was a LOT= of them back then, and a joy to scan the dial at night waiting for that ST= indicator to illuminate! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 04:30:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89963 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 11:30:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2010 11:30:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 11:30:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2010 11:30:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2010 11:30:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:30:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <343849.6945.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.58 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ZHahAdf2DQeY5yt2aQc4gepOjUbZCYjFtFw_IS9RS45JvnzY6w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 George, I had the same doubt/suspect about some stereo material. You live in USA, so you are near the recording engineers, so... you could a= sk them about. My doubts started when, accidentally, I used a Cool Edit Pro option (about = stereo separation). Some stereo material sound with apparently more stereo = separation if you put, intentionally, some of the other channel with some p= hase difference (90=BA or 180=BA). BUT... with other stereo material, we ca= n separate some sources, not the whole material. An example: the song "Creeping In" from Norah Jones. If you hear it in stan= dard stereo mode, you can "separate" the choir voices hard. But if you use = around 30% 180=BA phase difference from the left to the right and viceversa= , you can full separate that voices too well. At the same time, this "separ= ation" isn't with other instruments in the same track. SO... I suspect it i= s some intentionally phase trick here. Whatever, C-QUAM has some phasing problems in some conditions, so I guess i= t isn't the best stereo system to use with multichannel encoding. I bet the= forgotten ISB AM Stereo could do it better. Hahahahaha!!! The old war again, hahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Yup, you can put ANY matrix system over any stereo system (as long as the= re are no phase or level errors between L and R), conceivably getting five = channels (ProLogic II) on AM stereo. Be aware, though, any sound in the rea= r channels results in more L-R than L+R, a condition that at high levels ma= y not sit well with C-QUAM. A guy on the Quad Forum played some SQ-encoded= records on a C-QUAM station, and says they decoded just fine. >=20 > Most music is in stereo? Well, it is marked as such, but you would be su= rprised how many artists/engineers use phase angles to "spice up" the imagi= ng on playback...and when you run that through a matrix decoder (especially= ProLogic II or Sansui QS), there can be a LOT going on in the rear channel= s! Biggest difference between a "quad"/"surround" recording and a "stereo"= recording is wether those phase angles are intended to put the sound in a = certain channel. or just "spice up" two-channel playback. I have a lot of = "stereo" recordings that sound better through a matrix decoder than those m= arked "quad"! >=20 > Try it and see, play a stereo recording, especially late 70's on, through= your surround receiver, and if it is ProLogic II, set it on "music" mode, = with the "panarama" option on. You will swear some of the stuff is DELIBER= ATELY encoded! > Playing with phase goes way back, Jimmy Hendrix's "Electric Ladyland" alb= um had all kinds of deliberate phase inversions and shifts, made well befor= e the Quad era. Almost like Jimmy saw Quad coming, 'cause it sure sounds li= ke it! > G=20=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Daniel Piccoli wrote: >=20 > > From: Daniel Piccoli > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 10:10 PM > > Hi Juan, > >=20 > > I think that you can put Dolby Pro-Logic material over > > standard AM or FM > > stereo. Pro-logic uses matrix encoding (tricks with phase) > > to allow 3 > > channels (Left, right and rear) to be encoded onto a normal > > stereo channel. > >=20 > > eg. Analog TV only has 2 channels (stereo). Pro logic > > material is > > transmitted on this quite often. > >=20 > > Having said that, I think the jump from mono to stereo adds > > significantly > > more listener enjoyment than the jump from stereo to > > surround. Also, most > > music material is in Stereo. > >=20 > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:40 PM, jotape1960 > > wrote: > >=20 > > > > > > > > > The question is about we could handle, reasonably, the > > background noise > > > issue. > > > > > > The best reason to think AM is better than FM is the > > today FM Stereo > > > system!!! (Remember that the L-R is an standard AM > > signal without the main > > > carrier, in other words: Double SideBand Suppressed > > Carrier DSBSC, the best > > > mono AM system). > > > > > > BUT... The reason because that signal works so well is > > because it is INSIDE > > > a very "clean" enviroment (inside the modulator signal > > as well). > > > > > > VHF and UHF has a lot of noise (if we compare it with > > the SW and MW bands). > > > But, the VHF-UHF noise is more predictable so... > > maybe, we could handle it > > > better than in MW and SW. > > > > > > Whatever, I don't know if there is someone in the real > > world which has > > > enough power to convince the full "square minds" of > > the FCC people, > > > Hahahahahaha!!! > > > > > > Just a question: If we could get a new VHF or UHF band > > to standar AM > > > analogue station, Will somebody support some > > multichannel audio system? (I'm > > > thinking about something like the old Dolby > > Pro-Logic). because, digital or > > > analog, the future IS, yes or yes, with more than 2 > > audio channels. > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > , > > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > > > Putting AM onto the VHF band (I think this is > > what you mean by 'ultra > > > > shortwave') is a really cool idea. Imagine how > > many stations we could fit > > > > in. Your channel spacings can be expanded further > > for true Hifi AM. > > > > > > > > Everyone will now have obsolete radios using the > > wrong modulation scheme > > > at > > > > that frequency. Looks like software defined radio > > is the way to go. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Mirela Chiochiu > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AM do not stands for mediumwave, but for > > Amplitude Modulation... > > > > > > > > > > Since wideband AM stereo with say Motorola > > C-Quam is very good, then > > > why do > > > > > not replace 88-108 FM with 88-108 AM MHZ and > > destroy FM completly... We > > > > > would have AM on ultrashortwaves with a > > station on 88200 kHz, 88210, > > > 88220, > > > > > 88230 kHz, etc. > > > > > > > > > > There are some advantages with USW in that > > the lightning QRM is almost > > > > > inexistent and there is more bandwidth > > available... The end result is > > > an > > > > > even bigger advantage of Motorola C-Quam > > stereo versus multiplex FM > > > stereo > > > > > on ultrashortwave... > > > > > > > > > > Come on guys, I wonder why anyone hasn`t > > even thinked about it ! The > > > FCC > > > > > should be more creative and less > > money-driven ! > > > > > > > > > > May the good DX be with you ! > > > > > Bogdan Chiochiu > > > > > > > > > > From: george russell > > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:16 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AMEN! Having heard a really good station on > > a really good receiver back > > > > > then, I remember AMS sounding almost as good > > as FMS. Thank the FCC and > > > other > > > > > governing bodies for taking the mordida from > > Motorola and making C-QUAM > > > the > > > > > defacto standard, and all those receiver > > manufacturers who consider AM > > > to be > > > > > for news, talk, and sports, and thus > > limiting the bandwidth to not much > > > > > better than a telephone. > > > > > A great idea was killed by inept > > implementation, corruption, and just > > > plain > > > > > lack of promotion. > > > > > WOWO had the right idea back then, they > > played MUSIC, went with the > > > best > > > > > system (PMX), and set up a prototype > > receiver in a busy hardware store > > > for > > > > > people to hear how good they sounded in > > stereo...before receivers were > > > even > > > > > on the market! And they weren't ashamed to > > call themselves STEREO 1190, > > > > > unlike a lot of stations that never even > > mentioned that they were in > > > stereo. > > > > > Given today's near-perfect fidelity AM > > transmitters, and the ease of > > > DSP to > > > > > produce ANY of the systems, FM could be made > > to quiver in fear...but I > > > guess > > > > > it's to late to promote ANYTHING that is > > analog or below 88 MHz...the > > > damage > > > > > to the market has already been done. > > > > > Oh well, maybe AMS is just a curiosity > > today, but thank God for this > > > forum, > > > > > where we can at least commiserate and keep > > the idea alive even if at > > > low > > > > > power! > > > > > It was amateur radio operators that > > pioneered things like SSB, skip, > > > and > > > > > many other now-common technologies, so us > > amateur broadcasters gotta do > > > the > > > > > same...keep it in Stereo 'till "Uncle > > Charlie" shuts ya down!!! > > > > > G > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/7/10, dandocker > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: dandocker > > > > > > > > > > Subject: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo > > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 12:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > > > this morning on the way to work, I was > > listening to Perth's 96FM ( > > > > > 96fm.com.au). > > > > > > > > > > After playing a track from 1985, the > > announcer said something like > > > "1985, > > > > > the year that AM Stereo was introduced in > > Australia. I wonder why they > > > > > bothered. Maybe so it could sound twice as > > bad". > > > > > > > > > > These people have no idea how good AM can > > sound and neither do the > > > public. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > >=A0=20 > > > > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > > Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > >=20 > >=20 > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 13:03:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59718 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2010 20:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2010 20:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2010 20:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2010 20:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2010 20:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2010 20:01:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:01:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.144 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GnbWdv5LveaMcVLvQeD7eVtPLNWLFAT6Ulj1cxPcql6rNOsO2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! As you know, my country is on the "Footballized" part of the world, and now= we are in the 2010 FIFA World Cup age, hihihi!!! But... it is a shame about the "live" contacts between the local TV host an= d the South Africa special reporters. The local host performs some question= : "What about the weather, Peter?" Then... 7, 8 even 10 seconds of silence = (and the stupid face of the poor guy waiting for something). At least, the = answer: "Oh, it was a very beautiful day here..." (because the time differe= nce it is daylight, morning, here but it is evening or night there). Maybe it is a "new experience" the first time. But, when you have to see it= over and over and over again... It is exasperating!!! And we will have one whole month with this "wonderful, new, digital technol= ogy"!!! Hahahahaaha!!! What a shit!!! Hahahahahaha!!! The old analog NTSC was better!!! And the old analog radio didn't have some= delay. I wonder... Why we have to use all these digital gadgets if we have somethi= ng better? ??? Somebody should invent a way to put all the digital video and audio world i= nto the air but in the old analog way (with some new wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide= st channels, of course). How much wide should an analog TV channel be to handle the 1920x1080 format= ? I mean, if we used analog modulation (the old NTSC with new parameters). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Jun 10 18:42:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5349 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2010 01:42:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2010 01:42:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f170.google.com) (209.85.214.170) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 01:42:10 -0000 X-Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so679887iwn.29 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:42:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.122.16 with SMTP id j16mr1017143ibr.178.1276220530253; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:42:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:42:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:42:10 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=XgKqOkQTNsRkqQnkcocLX9EwHWG4fe9CroN5T0klOZV_k51P X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, I think you are talking about the satellite delay between the TV studio and the remote location. This still happens even if you are watching on an analog TV. So it is not a new thing and isn't the fault of digital TV. It would be interesting to see how much of this delay is attributable to th= e distance travelled by the radio waves to get up to the satellite and to the other side of the world. I assume the rest of the delay is attributable to encoding/decoding. Full HD analog would take up a huge amount of spectrum. Dan On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 4:01 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > Hi Gang!!! > > As you know, my country is on the "Footballized" part of the world, and n= ow > we are in the 2010 FIFA World Cup age, hihihi!!! > > But... it is a shame about the "live" contacts between the local TV host > and the South Africa special reporters. The local host performs some > question: "What about the weather, Peter?" Then... 7, 8 even 10 seconds o= f > silence (and the stupid face of the poor guy waiting for something). At > least, the answer: "Oh, it was a very beautiful day here..." (because the > time difference it is daylight, morning, here but it is evening or night > there). > > Maybe it is a "new experience" the first time. But, when you have to see = it > over and over and over again... It is exasperating!!! > > And we will have one whole month with this "wonderful, new, digital > technology"!!! > > Hahahahaaha!!! > > What a shit!!! > > Hahahahahaha!!! > > The old analog NTSC was better!!! And the old analog radio didn't have so= me > delay. > > I wonder... Why we have to use all these digital gadgets if we have > something better? ??? > > Somebody should invent a way to put all the digital video and audio world > into the air but in the old analog way (with some new > wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidest channels, of course). > > How much wide should an analog TV channel be to handle the 1920x1080 > format? I mean, if we used analog modulation (the old NTSC with new > parameters). > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 20:10:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88194 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2010 03:10:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2010 03:10:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 03:10:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89994 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2010 03:10:13 -0000 Message-ID: <840107.88175.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mbQ.Jq0VM1kFpjiTeIDgoSJMnkbk_Z9hmqYUR8.W3kuymwh 2SbkKD32I90EYzSdQjAuGJ9hLJ_TPAtUf5KulxJB8lFcVtSERGDHxipAgL6J BKQqjjvOtPgwiNfOqGuP1uQBQ1dWjWOsdhv1zhPWg0nl5omCCbRj1sByLTWZ .6zwnD88GLYoRs8XABhxzq8aifMZa8kc6FB8Agc66JDfEQ2AtL7EzcT1VppG ddTClxVYTyaeCHFzp3yW2.DXc96K6im9K9LJnW8KaMAqer2GqebYY6XddL.w m7eYdkNppq7ZqI7Ey9N4P35YBFTQTHZQpRZYIvmKfFyv3k6icbhM9iBvPEFP 41GISWON1MSHXYkLeGpX9U4liLcVhD3wr3BtqtJ0TWA66 X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:10:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.1.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:10:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1251B47C0DD14080B2D51C972D903EB8@mygateway> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MSRujNs3Mdxtb21Xaf2VnVApdAfoO3HKD80C46nQNsNOrg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Look on "minidisc.org", there is an equipment browser that shows just about= every pro and consumer deck ever made, and on most will tell you which ver= sion of ATRAC is used.Anything from 3.5 up is good, best is 4.5 or "Type R"= . =C2=A0Most of the rack-mount Sony pro stuff will allow you access to the = actual ATRAC bit stream, they did that for copying without going through th= e codec twice. Most will also bypass the copy protection code that consumer= stuff is stuck with.The discs can be bought at good prices from "minidisco= .com" and "minidiscaccess.com",and they also sell the decks and portables. = Last I saw, Best Buy still stocked the blank discs, too.MD is becoming some= what of an "orphan" format, but there are still a lot of die-hard users (li= ke me) who "get it", and we will no doubt keep the format alive for a few y= ears yet...Good luck!G --- On Thu, 6/10/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 12:37 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 asome if you can give me any model numbers of the older decks, and also places to= get the mini disc I would be interested. next part of this message is radiostation related besides I need one fore my internet/part15/ other radio station. am trying to find a way to get my station on cox cable. any one ventured down that road? Hank Smith marketing executive.=20 Melaleuca INC. the wellness company ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? Well, last I heard you could get ATRAC3 free as a download, from a site cal= led "AtracLife.com" but that may have only been DEcode, not sure. If you f= ind somebody with a MiniDisc recorder that still has the CD/ROM that came w= ith it ("Sonic Forge" I think it was called), that will allow you to instal= l ATRAC encoding in your computer.I wish I could be more definitive, but ho= nestly, I've never fed anything into ANY MiniDisc device but analog audio, = so it's all greek to me. I know the newer recorders have a digital plug (US= B port?) but never used it...I'm too "computer illiterate", I'm afraid!An a= lternative would be to get an old Sony broadcast MiniDisc deck, with both A= TRAC inputs and outputs, as well as XLR jacks, then you could encode versio= n 4.5! Those decks turn up frequently on eBay, often for a very good price.= Or get a consumer deck, and tap off the signal at the record head. (top si= de of disc)I'm off to bed right now, but tomorrow I'll see if I can dig up better details for you, Hank.G --- On Wed, 6/9/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 9:17 PM e can I get a atrac codec? Hank Smith marketing executive.=20 Melaleuca INC. the wellness company ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? Man, you have an enviable collection of air checks! Bit rate for MiniDisc i= s : 292 kb/s for SP, 132 for LP2, and 66 for LP4...LP4 using joint stereo c= oding. HiMD uses ATRAC "Type R" for SP at 256 kb/s, and ATRAC 3plus for the= other two speeds. "Type R" is an improved version of 4.5, the signal is en= coded, then double checked for possible better bit re-allocation, and re-en= coded. The difference is subtle, most noticeable on music with a lot of cym= bals or brass, for most of what I do, I still prefer the smooth sound of 4.= 5. What few artifacts might be audible, are so slight and un-offensive as t= o make it virtually as good as CD. Of course, Sony being Sony, they were too late in making ATRAC easily avail= able. Too bad, it may have become the world-wide standard instead of MP3! (= RealPlayer 8 did use a form of ATRAC3) As for backward compatibility, the ATRAC stream carries some of the DE-codi= ng instructions, if you will, so that when a disc made with 4.5 is played o= n an old MZ-1 with ATRAC 1, it "upgrades" the decoding and it sounds just a= s good as when played on a newer deck. Oversimplified way of telling it, bu= t you get the picture I'm sure.That built-in "upgrade" was one of the thing= s that sold me on ATRAC...the sound and editing power clinched the deal! (K= inda cool sticking a HiMD disc in an old deck by mistake, and the screen sa= ying "HiMD"...even though HiMD didn't even exist yet when the deck was buil= t. :>) OK, I won't stray of topic any longer here, but do check out "minidisc.org"= , all kinds of tech stuff, history, great hacks (UTOC cloning!), even a few= good laughs. Read how HiMD works...Sony ingenuity at it's best! What receiver did you use to make all those recordings? Man, if we could on= ly go back...G --- On Wed, 6/9/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 11:11 AM George, I a have to agree with you, the Sony ATRAC 4.5 (Sony MiniDisc) code= c (at SP speed) is fantastic, and I would gladly accept a broadcaster who u= sed that - I consider that an analog equal to a cassette with Dolby C noise= reduction. Now if they could just license the ATRAC codec from Sony for di= gital broadcasting, that would be amazing. I wonder what the actual digital= rate is ATRAC? It was also backwards compatible too, so continuous improve= ments could be made as well - something I wish IBOC could be. Long live CQuam and the Minidisc. Actually, most of my CQuam recordings of = CFCO and WJR were made on minidics; only in the golden age of AM stereo (19= 85) did I have cassette copies of WNBC, WHAS, WCCO, WSM, CFRB, WCAU, WSPD, = WJR, CKLW, WBAP, WLS, 1560 in NYC, St. Louis, etc....WOW, there was a LOT o= f them back then, and a joy to scan the dial at night waiting for that ST i= ndicator to illuminate! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From akekalos@gmail.com Fri Jun 11 03:20:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: akekalos@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96615 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2010 10:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2010 10:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f44.google.com) (209.85.212.44) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 10:20:20 -0000 X-Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so968260vws.31 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:20:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.140.131 with SMTP id i3mr465706qau.39.1276251620033; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:20:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.45.129 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:20:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <840107.88175.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1251B47C0DD14080B2D51C972D903EB8@mygateway> <840107.88175.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:20:19 -0400 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.44 From: Antonios Kekalos Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=398729583; y=VAr_V6Sl5KI7enVC5PLg2jsiBU9V3OEcuuA9-BV_AvGgEvI X-Yahoo-Profile: tkekalos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we're on the subject of minidiscs, I bought a Sony MZ-1 years ago while living in Australia. Now I need a US version power adapter and a new BP-MZ-1. Anyone know where I might find one? I have done a Google search and queried minidisc.com with negative results. Tony Kekalos Traverse City, MI On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:10 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Look on "minidisc.org", there is an equipment browser that shows just > about every pro and consumer deck ever made, and on most will tell you which > version of ATRAC is used.Anything from 3.5 up is good, best is > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 05:06:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19007 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2010 12:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2010 12:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 12:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2010 12:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2010 12:05:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:05:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.45 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=JntVY-AFGi6JTKIyBqau2iST6tebFdl7wAmCN1Q8sXuhGw5t3g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 But... that delay (if it is the satellite delay) is unjustified, because th= e longest path (if we transmit from the north pole to the south pole and th= e satellite is around 60,000 kilometers from the equator surface) is around= 150,000 kilometers (from the TX point to the satellite and to the RX point= ). 150,000 kilometers at the light speed is just 0,5 seconds!!! In other wo= rds, this super long path would be performance in just 1 second, in the wor= st situation. Far away from the 7 to 10 seconds delay in the today transmis= ions. Up today, I don't know the light speed (the same of the radio waves) has ch= anged from the last international standard measuring tables (299,792.458 ki= lometers per second, in the vacuum). So... it is not a "travel" issue, it is an encoding/decoding issue and I do= n't understand why. Does somebody know how much time an standard analog to digital audio conver= ter tooks to make its job? I guess less than 1 second, but I'm not sure. So... I don't know where the delay is produced. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hi Juan, >=20 > I think you are talking about the satellite delay between the TV studio a= nd > the remote location. This still happens even if you are watching on an > analog TV. So it is not a new thing and isn't the fault of digital TV. >=20 > It would be interesting to see how much of this delay is attributable to = the > distance travelled by the radio waves to get up to the satellite and to t= he > other side of the world. I assume the rest of the delay is attributable t= o > encoding/decoding. >=20 > Full HD analog would take up a huge amount of spectrum. >=20 > Dan >=20 > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 4:01 AM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Hi Gang!!! > > > > As you know, my country is on the "Footballized" part of the world, and= now > > we are in the 2010 FIFA World Cup age, hihihi!!! > > > > But... it is a shame about the "live" contacts between the local TV hos= t > > and the South Africa special reporters. The local host performs some > > question: "What about the weather, Peter?" Then... 7, 8 even 10 seconds= of > > silence (and the stupid face of the poor guy waiting for something). At > > least, the answer: "Oh, it was a very beautiful day here..." (because t= he > > time difference it is daylight, morning, here but it is evening or nigh= t > > there). > > > > Maybe it is a "new experience" the first time. But, when you have to se= e it > > over and over and over again... It is exasperating!!! > > > > And we will have one whole month with this "wonderful, new, digital > > technology"!!! > > > > Hahahahaaha!!! > > > > What a shit!!! > > > > Hahahahahaha!!! > > > > The old analog NTSC was better!!! And the old analog radio didn't have = some > > delay. > > > > I wonder... Why we have to use all these digital gadgets if we have > > something better? ??? > > > > Somebody should invent a way to put all the digital video and audio wor= ld > > into the air but in the old analog way (with some new > > wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidest channels, of course). > > > > How much wide should an analog TV channel be to handle the 1920x1080 > > format? I mean, if we used analog modulation (the old NTSC with new > > parameters). > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jun 11 15:52:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23982 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2010 22:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2010 22:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2010 22:52:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21412 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2010 22:52:53 -0000 Message-ID: <202490.21354.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KVRT1BEVM1mHaJ6WMqquzf1Xqbzmjp8p__R2tb0YqOX.U.Q Hi6DyppqlDRff7MgPjuaFmiL44cuLoc4Wt_CV2SqjJ2FgxTmdthAmrrDbZO3 clqBd8xmEsW_uHwzI5cTh1gFJ1nt5qGgM7K6g_n9j14MiVVz6ppwIdaq4oDY 7CxR2wD50ZUrkomTi8oeMdjCZk0VmALBp0q2IAu6khA2L1wNjIq4YP5UDfxE NsW.Bvcw_3v2HTG3WubHpUgH0a.c3tgF3BFTFySpY238W_NwqmE.Z0r_prMm slgodPVkwZTEP3hcMrtXzeGl6t2UPJvAJX7.wI3EZlKSxdH8MzraIQr2jQ1x TALb9ELQHGit.54roSjdXuQ9XM6g0cjKPyVXfIm.g X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:52:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.1.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:52:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=oUktrryIgBbhZuDfz1Uer0QZ8L8bGjw4t1hUMFs4dc9eEw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, finding the US-voltage "wall wart" may take some searching, you might= be better to build a little rig for it.As for the battery pack, piece of c= ake! =C2=A0Go to one of the "Battery Giant" or similar stores, they can tak= e the shell of your old pack and put brand new Nickel-Metal Hydride cells i= n it. =C2=A0You will have way more capacity, less "memory" effect, and the = regular charger will work just fine. =C2=A0DON'T be tempted to use a 12 vol= t supply! =C2=A0Yeah, it's only a volt and a half high, but it has been kno= wn to fry the recorder.Ah, the MZ-1, I still have one, lovingly known as "t= he brick". =C2=A0Plays well if you lay it on it's back, but won't record. = =C2=A0The flexible lens mount is bad (common on that model), I would like t= o fix it, when I get time, just for it's historical value, and to compare A= TRAC 1 with the newer versions. Still have the big black carrying bag with = the big gold "MiniDisc" logo on it, and the Sony wooden crate for storing m= any discs. =C2=A0A sane man would eBay it all to a rabid Sony collector (they are out there),= but I just can't bring myself to part with it...If I see a spare power pac= k, I will let you know right away!G=C2=A0 --- On Fri, 6/11/10, Antonios Kekalos wrote: From: Antonios Kekalos Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Codecs for Broadcast? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 6:20 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Since we're on the subject of minidiscs, I bought a Sony MZ-1 years a= go while living in Australia. Now I need a US version power adapter and a new BP-MZ-1. Anyone know where I might find one? I have done a Google search an= d queried minidisc.com with negative results. Tony Kekalos Traverse City, MI On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:10 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Look on "minidisc.org", there is an equipment browser that shows just > about every pro and consumer deck ever made, and on most will tell you wh= ich > version of ATRAC is used.Anything from 3.5 up is good, best is > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Jun 12 02:13:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80767 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 09:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 09:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.149) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 09:13:13 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100612091311.UOHI12312.nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:13:11 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100612091311.MBYH2192.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:13:11 +0000 To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:13:10 +1000 Message-ID: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsJXohjxxGURiZnQT62jD1jbQy37gAriijQ X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090201.4C134FA7.017A,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rB4yF9f/TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU6nyN7M7hND21TxcNhOPP2IqYq30X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 From: jotape1960 > So... it is not a "travel" issue, it is an encoding/decoding issue and I > don't understand why. > Does somebody know how much time a standard analog to digital > audio converter tooks to make its job? I guess less than 1 second, but > I'm not sure. Hi Juan I'm not technical, but to me it would seem a few seconds. We got digital TV in 2000. All of a sudden digital transmissions were two or three seconds behind analog transmissions. If watching live-to-air channels via (Rupert's) Foxtel cable they were further delayed by a few seconds. Usually it simply doesn't matter, but immediately it became impossible to watch a live footy match on digital TV listening to the live analog radio commentary. When we got digital radio (DAB+) last August, all of a sudden it almost became possible to watch Foxtel's live TV transmission to radio sound, because the sound delay on radio was almost the same as Foxtel's. I'm prepared to wear the delay due to the quality improvement. Ian Melbourne From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Jun 12 02:33:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71812 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 09:33:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 09:33:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.149) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 09:33:20 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100612093316.VCCO12312.nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:33:16 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100612093315.SJGF2131.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:33:15 +0000 To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:33:14 +1000 Message-ID: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsJXohjxxGURiZnQT62jD1jbQy37gAsPWcw X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090203.4C13545B.01F0,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: oxE7F8T+XAr1km552G/sNQ1xlgaxoWEq45sMWtpktxkaUkfBsNG9Eo6zCeYf0Y/kxD5FPBmGNGAmc67kXI/r X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.149 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Hi guys I joined the predecessor to this list in 2000 when AM stereo actually seemed to have a chance of working worldwide. I was one of a few Aussie AMS ambassadors who tried everything to make it a success in Oz. I loved the idea of the IAAAS (the International Association for the Advancement of AM Stereo) which at the last minute Amy wanted to change to the "International Advocates for the Advancement of AM Stereo". I've always wondered why. Is Amy still here? I hope so!!! It actually was fun while it lasted. And I made some good friends worldwide. Now ... AM stereo is gone in Oz ... though 2CA Canberra may be the last one to put the flame out. We have digital radio - DAB+. And it's bloody good. I'm no technical expert ... but it sounds as good as anything on an iPod. Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to the state of AM Stereo territory in North America? cheers Ian Melbourne From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Jun 12 03:54:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40979 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 10:54:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 10:54:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f48.google.com) (74.125.83.48) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 10:54:15 -0000 X-Received: by gwb17 with SMTP id 17so2041205gwb.35 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:54:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.8.17 with SMTP id 17mr4830570ybh.89.1276340054957; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u4sm16944425ybh.22.2010.06.12.03.54.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C136754.5090904@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:54:12 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> In-Reply-To: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.48 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=S3LzviueyxFsO5cduo0peYNzUsIpkE7D0ZctpfmgXy1ns2ifzI1vZMa3qBTTAw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 6/12/2010 5:33 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to the state of > AM Stereo territory in North America? > We just added 1410 WPCC in C-QUAM AM Stereo. They are running an Optimod 9100B into a BE AM1A Transmitter with the Built-In AM Stereo Generator. My next project is adding AM Stereo to 1510 WQUL. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Jun 12 06:13:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54059 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 13:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 13:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173011pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.11) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 13:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from RDW ([unknown] [96.228.140.43]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L3W00CLNKQRXPG1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:13:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:13:51 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.11 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the most part, in most cities, there is no longer any AMS in the U.S. Nor are there any receivers available. Back then AMS was included in most car radios, but no longer. There is no popular interest in HD (digital) AM radio, and few receivers, so AM broadcasters usually transmit both digital and analog signals. For most people AM continues to be analog, mono, and primarily talk radio. AM HD is usually turned off at night, so that nighttime AM is generally analog. There are some Spanish and black music stations on AM. The larger FM stations are digital and offer multi-channels, but again, there are few digital receivers and very little consumer interest. Digital radios are standard in some cars, but there are almost no home receivers and little interest. I remember Amy. I had the impression that Amy was another name for the person called Dennis (Dennis Faulk or Falk, as I recall). But I could be wrong, of course. Haven't seen any postings by either of them in years. There were some very interesting (and sometimes very heated) postings back in those days. Is DAB+ utilized on medium wave (AM) in Australia? Or is DAB+ an FM system? Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 5:33 AM Subject: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report Hi guys I joined the predecessor to this list in 2000 when AM stereo actually seemed to have a chance of working worldwide. I was one of a few Aussie AMS ambassadors who tried everything to make it a success in Oz. I loved the idea of the IAAAS (the International Association for the Advancement of AM Stereo) which at the last minute Amy wanted to change to the "International Advocates for the Advancement of AM Stereo". I've always wondered why. Is Amy still here? I hope so!!! It actually was fun while it lasted. And I made some good friends worldwide. Now ... AM stereo is gone in Oz ... though 2CA Canberra may be the last one to put the flame out. We have digital radio - DAB+. And it's bloody good. I'm no technical expert ... but it sounds as good as anything on an iPod. Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to the state of AM Stereo territory in North America? cheers Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 06:18:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81185 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 13:18:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 13:18:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 13:18:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2010 13:18:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2010 13:18:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:18:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.227 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GQXeNsYDmDNObOiaMLkg872yrOqLy8kD40kl5VUoF-xV_h4U_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Please, Ian, Why don't you try to take some radio aircheck with the "new" D= AB+ system and then you upload it to this forum? It is intended to hear wha= t better or worst it is in comparison with analog AM. Please, use something like MP3 at 320 kbps to avoid any kind of "extra" los= t. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wr= ote: > >=20 > Hi guys >=20 >=20 > I joined the predecessor to this list in 2000 when AM stereo actually see= med > to have a chance of working worldwide. >=20 > I was one of a few Aussie AMS ambassadors who tried everything to make it= a > success in Oz. >=20 > I loved the idea of the IAAAS (the International Association for the > Advancement of AM Stereo) which at the last minute Amy wanted to change t= o > the "International Advocates for the Advancement of AM Stereo". I've alw= ays > wondered why. Is Amy still here? I hope so!!!=20=20 >=20 > It actually was fun while it lasted. And I made some good friends > worldwide. >=20 > Now ... AM stereo is gone in Oz ... though 2CA Canberra may be the last o= ne > to put the flame out. >=20 > We have digital radio - DAB+. And it's bloody good. I'm no technical > expert ... but it sounds as good as anything on an iPod. >=20 > Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to the state= of > AM Stereo territory in North America? >=20 >=20 > cheers >=20 > Ian > Melbourne > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Jun 12 06:31:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63209 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 13:31:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 13:31:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f171.google.com) (209.85.161.171) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 13:31:52 -0000 X-Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so793885gxk.2 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:31:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.174.30 with SMTP id w30mr4487197ybe.200.1276349508498; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1292966ywh.2.2010.06.12.06.31.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C138C41.4040102@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:31:45 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.171 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=6LJf7MxNiRFbyTAX35dx2nb9apCpsb9tVmUlJmayVN_agN-K7qXPBy1212myvw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 6/12/2010 9:13 AM, Dick W. wrote: > There are some Spanish and black music stations on AM. Locally, we have Live & Local Classic Hits on WDRF, Live & Local MOR on WKDK, Automated mix of Southern Gospel, Standards, and Oldies on WAGL, Live & Local Southern Gospel on WRIX and WTBI. > Is DAB+ utilized on medium wave (AM) in Australia? > VHF -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 06:33:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14460 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 13:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 13:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 13:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2010 13:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2010 13:33:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:33:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.227 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=rU4bElhF6fqmk4XM_fbcJ5nqk6hlfPU4JcK4mIRyN5s4lf9HTA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I'm not an academic technician, but I have been "inside" the circuits since= my first age (more than 40 years). So, I think I have some experience as to say if we put an analog signal (le= t say a pure sinusoidal 440 Hz wave) to pass through any kind of analog aud= io amplification circuit, we get an absolutely negligible delay (if we get = some one). If we want to convert it into a digital stream, we have to use something li= ke an standard AM modulator, with the bitrate as carrier (clock). Then we w= ill get one voltage value each time the carrier reaches a peak. All this pr= ocess is instantaneous (a good AM modulator wouldn't add a time delay). The problem is how much time we take to translate each value into a digital= word and the time to put all that digital stream into an usable format to = our target. I have to recognize this point is my knowledge boundary about this issue. But, I remember that the first devices (ICs into the old ECG catalogue) had= some specification about the time it tooks to the process. I don't know if= the today devices have something like that. Some idea, about? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wr= ote: > > From: jotape1960 >=20=20 > > So... it is not a "travel" issue, it is an encoding/decoding issue and = I > > don't understand why. >=20=20 > > Does somebody know how much time a standard analog to digital > > audio converter tooks to make its job? I guess less than 1 second, but > > I'm not sure. >=20 >=20=20 > Hi Juan >=20=20 > I'm not technical, but to me it would seem a few seconds. >=20=20 > We got digital TV in 2000. All of a sudden digital transmissions were tw= o > or three seconds behind analog transmissions. If watching live-to-air > channels via (Rupert's) Foxtel cable they were further delayed by a few > seconds.=20=20 >=20=20 > Usually it simply doesn't matter, but immediately it became impossible to > watch a live footy match on digital TV listening to the live analog radio > commentary. >=20=20 > When we got digital radio (DAB+) last August, all of a sudden it almost > became possible to watch Foxtel's live TV transmission to radio sound, > because the sound delay on radio was almost the same as Foxtel's.=20 >=20=20 > I'm prepared to wear the delay due to the quality improvement. >=20=20 > Ian > Melbourne > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 12 12:13:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50867 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 19:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 19:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 19:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.240] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100612141244102388000011.0) with SMTP id <20100612141244102388000011> for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:12:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001501cb0a63$ba3274a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:16:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:12:44 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=CkMCT9FjCJngqa-hTP7Kg0PTAJpPxZuu6ItDNQGoLDk7YpSt7ojy X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem with ALL of the current digital radio schemes is they'll soon be obsolete such as what they're running in Canada now. England's DAB might be OK, but now they're locked into it while you Aussies have DAB+. The emphasis needs to shift from merely some digital scheme to software defined radios which can be updated to newer and better systems as they are developed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Digital radio is not to be feared. I'm happily embracing it. Hey UK Dave (from Brighton, England), how about giving us a status report on how DAB (without the +) radio is doing in the mother country? Though I already know that you seem to love internet radio and what might be happening there. Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 12 12:26:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12250 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 19:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 19:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 19:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.240] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100612142622100803100011.0) with SMTP id <20100612142622100803100011> for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:26:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004701cb0a65$a136f820$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <716550.71212.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Source-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:29:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:26:22 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=G_HEua9VeWGgtvVe3mMWq3MvF_Qbz6W7RscRBTXtFC0uB3fa194D X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The FCC is required by congress to be at least partially self-funding. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Perception of AM Stereo FCC less money-driven? Man, I thought I was optimistic! Ain't gonna happen, because in D.C., money talks and bull$#^% walks! As long as the NAB cartel is pulling the strings, it can't get better. Creative? maybe back in the 50's, never again. G [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 12 13:03:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57039 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 20:02:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 20:02:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 20:02:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.240] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100612145751101487300011.0) with SMTP id <20100612145751101487300011> for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:57:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006701cb0a6a$075f7a60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <845C26BB584B4E2987F3AA8720259045@mygateway> X-Source-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:01:17 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:57:51 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=3o-sTFPjGnRjOlRx1LpGISbkmgcoyO5hFBXr92HK151KEVT1G4BR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My reply in caps to distinguish from the original text: Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 6:49 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? Our (government funded) Melbourne 3LO immediately became the natural and "official" station for any people under threat to listen to all over Victoria. It broadcasts at 50,000 power while the commercial majors only broadcast at 5,000 power. The wonderful 3LO did a great job with no advertising and a complete dropping of normal programming. Everything was directed to the crisis that was before us. Yet, in the official washup it would seem that the next time we have a similar disaster the government regulator is expecting that local commercial stations will rise to the occasion and do a better job. I'm not holding my breath. I do see the need for publicly funded radio. SUCH IS NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE HERE. WZFG IN FARGO ND EVEN DROPPED RUSH LIMBAUGH AND SEAN HANNITY- THE TWO TOP TALKMEISTERS IN US TALK RADIO, DURING THE MAJOR FLOODING OF LAST YEAR. I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. > Come on guys, I wonder why anyone hasn`t even thinked about it! > The FCC should be more creative and less money-driven! Yo Bogdan If only it was possible! Despite what George Washington envisaged, the "democracy" which in the USA has turned into being government by the best party that commercial money can buy - out of only two parties. If only you could have more viable alternative parties. But the fact you won't allow preferential voting means that you're stuck FOREVER with what you have. A TWO PARTY SYSTEM forever. Nothing will change until this is changed. It almost makes "democracy" a joke. WE ARE A REPUBLIC (IF WE CAN KEEP IT), NOT A DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A SHEEP DECIDING WHAT'S FOR DINNER. -BEN FRANKLIN- LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED SHEEP CONTESTING THE DECISION. -TED NUGENT- The FCC will be more creative when it realises that money simply isn't as important as health and happiness. Not likely, given your US form of democratic government. THE FCC IS NOW REQUIRED TO BE AT LEAST PARTIALLY SELF FUNDING. THAT WAS DECIDED BY CONGRESS DECADES AGO. WHETHER IT SHOULD REMAIN THAT WAY IS A MATTER OF DEBATE, AND IF YOU THINK YOU CAN PERSUADE YOUR SENATOR OR CONGRESSCRITTER TO REVERSE IT, I THINK THE AUSSIES WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE "GOOD ON YA, MATE!" Can anyone on this list justify your form of democratic government when it would take a new political party to actually poll 33.34% of the vote to get across the line? Why do you make it so difficult for new "democratic" parties to exist in what's supposed to be the Utopia of Democracies? ACTUALLY THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM HAS PROVEN TO BE THE BEST. JUST LOOK AT HOW THE GOVERNMENTS OF ITALY AND ISRAEL ARE CONSTANTLY COLLAPSING WITH THEIR MYRIADS OF PARTIES. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Jun 12 14:14:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78125 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 21:14:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 21:14:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f182.google.com) (209.85.212.182) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 21:14:10 -0000 X-Received: by pxi7 with SMTP id 7so2002425pxi.13 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:14:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.122.24 with SMTP id u24mr2541172wfc.264.1276377250438; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm989478rvn.7.2010.06.12.14.14.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <17E3A0D855C44C4E8D99341A7C46F523@mygateway> To: References: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:14:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=zcrxXTnECCVjP4F5h6-EJoKSny2w_21ki-agNxDA9Q_lD2_3X2vq X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is a footy match? sorry I have never heard of that before Hank Smith marketing executive. Melaleuca INC. the wellness company ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 2:13 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay From: jotape1960 > So... it is not a "travel" issue, it is an encoding/decoding issue and I > don't understand why. > Does somebody know how much time a standard analog to digital > audio converter tooks to make its job? I guess less than 1 second, but > I'm not sure. Hi Juan I'm not technical, but to me it would seem a few seconds. We got digital TV in 2000. All of a sudden digital transmissions were two or three seconds behind analog transmissions. If watching live-to-air channels via (Rupert's) Foxtel cable they were further delayed by a few seconds. Usually it simply doesn't matter, but immediately it became impossible to watch a live footy match on digital TV listening to the live analog radio commentary. When we got digital radio (DAB+) last August, all of a sudden it almost became possible to watch Foxtel's live TV transmission to radio sound, because the sound delay on radio was almost the same as Foxtel's. I'm prepared to wear the delay due to the quality improvement. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Jun 12 14:15:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49552 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 21:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 21:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f171.google.com) (209.85.212.171) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 21:15:21 -0000 X-Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19so1822600pxi.16 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:15:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.195.11 with SMTP id s11mr2614354wff.18.1276377320715; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n32sm31834507wae.22.2010.06.12.14.15.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:15:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=m8y4Ulp0L9CzqEKeku1apAFKEC0LPB-uP1_hpAkOqW54nkFDrYC5 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is there anyway to get dabplus in north america? wish they made low power transmitters or sdr ones or s omething. would love to play with it and listen to it Hank Smith marketing executive. Melaleuca INC. the wellness company ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 2:33 AM Subject: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report Hi guys I joined the predecessor to this list in 2000 when AM stereo actually seemed to have a chance of working worldwide. I was one of a few Aussie AMS ambassadors who tried everything to make it a success in Oz. I loved the idea of the IAAAS (the International Association for the Advancement of AM Stereo) which at the last minute Amy wanted to change to the "International Advocates for the Advancement of AM Stereo". I've always wondered why. Is Amy still here? I hope so!!! It actually was fun while it lasted. And I made some good friends worldwide. Now ... AM stereo is gone in Oz ... though 2CA Canberra may be the last one to put the flame out. We have digital radio - DAB+. And it's bloody good. I'm no technical expert ... but it sounds as good as anything on an iPod. Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to the state of AM Stereo territory in North America? cheers Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Jun 12 14:30:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47345 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 21:30:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 21:30:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f43.google.com) (209.85.160.43) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 21:30:43 -0000 X-Received: by pwj9 with SMTP id 9so1418154pwj.2 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:30:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.91.13 with SMTP id t13mr2856531rvl.266.1276378242899; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l29sm2790540rvb.4.2010.06.12.14.30.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> <4C138C41.4040102@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:30:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=LrHuMzLPxArdsq4bCFjOKqlX_Qji66p9G5xHG6ouemirbtZU65wY X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what frequencies? and what does it sound like if a analog recievr were to tune in to those frequencies? Hank Smith marketing executive. Melaleuca INC. the wellness company ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 6:31 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report On 6/12/2010 9:13 AM, Dick W. wrote: > There are some Spanish and black music stations on AM. Locally, we have Live & Local Classic Hits on WDRF, Live & Local MOR on WKDK, Automated mix of Southern Gospel, Standards, and Oldies on WAGL, Live & Local Southern Gospel on WRIX and WTBI. > Is DAB+ utilized on medium wave (AM) in Australia? > VHF -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Jun 12 14:45:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86148 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 21:45:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 21:45:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f50.google.com) (209.85.160.50) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 21:45:49 -0000 X-Received: by pwj2 with SMTP id 2so1635789pwj.9 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.53.12 with SMTP id f12mr2887998rvk.142.1276379148799; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k17sm2798875rvh.17.2010.06.12.14.45.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <67525D89BB874FDA8816B3D657169BD0@mygateway> To: References: <001501cb0a63$ba3274a0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:45:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.50 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=NuIcwzpP169O4W0mBiM9TQNtAGOdVBhV_bYVyx8F_zzt1mbfz-C3 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so is england going to be switching to dabplus? Hank Smith marketing executive. Melaleuca INC. the wellness company ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:12 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? The problem with ALL of the current digital radio schemes is they'll soon be obsolete such as what they're running in Canada now. England's DAB might be OK, but now they're locked into it while you Aussies have DAB+. The emphasis needs to shift from merely some digital scheme to software defined radios which can be updated to newer and better systems as they are developed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Digital radio is not to be feared. I'm happily embracing it. Hey UK Dave (from Brighton, England), how about giving us a status report on how DAB (without the +) radio is doing in the mother country? Though I already know that you seem to love internet radio and what might be happening there. Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 12 14:48:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75495 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 21:48:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 21:48:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 21:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.240] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100612164834103025300010.0) with SMTP id <20100612164834103025300010> for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:48:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010601cb0a79$8010db20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull> <17E3A0D855C44C4E8D99341A7C46F523@mygateway> X-Source-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:52:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:48:34 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=2uaugaQ3eozUPBqS-iBHDqVnGlod_sfMslZCKB0fjfdG2_sS67AP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's an aussie term for soccer. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay what is a footy match? sorry I have never heard of that before Hank Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Sat Jun 12 15:11:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54004 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 22:11:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 22:11:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 22:11:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2010 22:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2010 22:06:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:06:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <67525D89BB874FDA8816B3D657169BD0@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.185.98.155 From: "Bob W" Subject: Re: IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=xNYQisLNLQeaKnuOG9HGWok6f1x8QoAHBSiKVzqia3gF_aJYfQwF X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Canada's DAB system is nearly non-existent... I had to think real hard when= one was even mentioned in discussion here. I live in St Johnsbury, VT.. = about an hour from the border.. In fact, I was in Sherbrooke, Quebec this a= fternoon.. I visit Montreal regularly.. It's about a 90 minute drive. No o= ne is really advertising that digital radio even exists.. unlike in the US = were I do hear things mentioned.. and I won't get into US IBOC here in this= post. But, basically Canadian radio is AM and FM as it has been for decades... an= d DAB radio in Canada was pretty much an aborted launch. I used to hear ad= s for DAB radio about 10 years ago.. and they might still air on CKGM Team = 990.. which I don't listen too much as their signal doesn't really hit into= Northern VT like CJAD 800 does.. I never hear any mention of DAB at all = there.. neither on CBC Radio's 2 networks. I don't listen much to the Fren= ch wing of The CBC "Radio-Canada" so I can't tell you what's being talked = about there. However if one part of the Canada's public broadcaster were d= oing something in a technical manner.. I think the same would be executed i= n both official languages.. I listen quite a bit to 96,9 CKOI.. The Rock= -D=E9tente network (107,3 Montreal.. 102,7 Sherbrooke) RhythmeFM 105,7 Mont= real.. and CHOM 97,7 online.. as the 97.7 is occupied locally..=20 In summation.. I haven't heard a single mention of DAB radio in nearly a de= cade. Bob Welch Program Director, and Anchor of The Noon Report 1340 WSTJ Radio St Johnsbury, VT From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 15:31:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54641 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2010 22:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2010 22:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.81) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 22:31:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37686 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2010 22:31:06 -0000 Message-ID: <153179.37473.qm@web112003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jQ3hO88VM1k9gfobHVCqbyrmxVy3JB640OEfOU0kl07o1g1 PyWm8XJmy6KnpMq44CEI.tP.kVCbopzeZoS_MQBn8aGb.SeLlHYtgOBRSTvE uioz.voP4K5nflABXlKNFW0pOVYE7.szY4K4qhb551VYTVA.V8.LqMG5RlDa KBi_4GWXWh0mkOHTobbTktQlqs72IX6eM0PCuvpVje2az6hchLlfGVBfS0SB MsbHnWgC6DWomML3AAGuu8lx2AxuJ6Q0bZMEhnDrLDYMaH48msR.DflNQ5cm hGBIzlxtnLvl2OlRMhqMSBHJ5oDt3j6R21wa4KPHG1lP_l09UMb8lHd2dquu 2r6YHcPqfV4ADgCD1PNJF X-Received: from [209.213.19.54] by web112003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:31:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/397.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> <4C136754.5090904@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:31:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4C136754.5090904@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=NaiM_Rb6aRSbvI6q5yY1IhdSw0PyzLUfjNaeJfT95ak X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When Bill Boyd got WPCC the AM-1a, he got the stereo board in it. Now, it's all sports so..... My AM stereo light won't come on until I get UNDER 10 miles from the transmitter.... this in my 2000 Taurus wagon. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 6:54:12 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report On 6/12/2010 5:33 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to the state of > AM Stereo territory in North America? > We just added 1410 WPCC in C-QUAM AM Stereo. They are running an Optimod 9100B into a BE AM1A Transmitter with the Built-In AM Stereo Generator. My next project is adding AM Stereo to 1510 WQUL. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 02:19:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47005 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2010 09:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2010 09:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 09:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2010 09:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2010 09:17:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:17:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C136754.5090904@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.235.235.19 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=Bywzj9L4kU7T8DCmhHhepRRe2uAgae_mrpm77pWS_QZsje25zpV6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >We just added 1410 WPCC in C-QUAM AM Stereo. They are running an >Optimod 9100B into a BE AM1A Transmitter with the Built-In AM=20 >Stereo Generator. KWHW in Altus, Oklahoma now broadcasts C-QuAM stereo per their chief engineer.=20=20 http://meduci.com=20=20 From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Jun 13 05:25:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55365 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2010 12:25:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2010 12:25:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f176.google.com) (209.85.214.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 12:25:10 -0000 X-Received: by iwn35 with SMTP id 35so853573iwn.35 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:25:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.37.140 with SMTP id x12mr4750345ibd.127.1276431909986; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:25:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <010601cb0a79$8010db20$d503fea9@stodd> References: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull> <17E3A0D855C44C4E8D99341A7C46F523@mygateway> <010601cb0a79$8010db20$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:25:09 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.176 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=AUzRa5TDIfVmWXsYQ3nV3EXPlHrcBfambwKMdB7GBt_xUWV0 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hahahahah, Footy is Australian Rules Football. Soccer is soccer. Juan, I think that the process you described (sampling the analog signal at regular timepoints) is Analog to digital Conversion (DAC for short). This will give you an uncompressed digital PCM (Pulse code modulation). The process of converting it back to analog is Digital to Analog conversion. This process doesn't take very long at all. The time consuming part is compressing the PCM to cut the amount of bandwidth required to transmit it. An example of this is converting a uncompressed WAV file to an compressed MP3. This takes time. The software performs lots of calculations to figure out what audio can be thrown away without the audience noticing. There may be some time added for error detection and correction too. On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:48 AM, wrote: > > > That's an aussie term for soccer. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: hank smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay > > what is a footy match? > sorry I have never heard of that before > Hank Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Jun 13 05:32:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90104 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2010 12:32:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2010 12:32:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f175.google.com) (209.85.214.175) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 12:32:01 -0000 X-Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so4033773iwn.34 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:31:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.120.69 with SMTP id c5mr4625304ibr.79.1276432261522; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:31:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:31:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C136754.5090904@gmail.com> References: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> <4C136754.5090904@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:31:01 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.175 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=biMUMSMURHhCbWCahVBKI4ykndjNgOPMT7izf8DwtnaKxXDF X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DAB+ is not an AM or FM system. Its not a hybrid system at all. DAB+ stations are on a completely different part of the spectrum. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:54 PM, kj4hyd wrote: > > > On 6/12/2010 5:33 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to the sta= te > of > > AM Stereo territory in North America? > > > > We just added 1410 WPCC in C-QUAM AM Stereo. They are running an Optimod > 9100B into a BE AM1A Transmitter with the Built-In AM Stereo Generator. > > My next project is adding AM Stereo to 1510 WQUL. > > -- > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Jun 13 05:38:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97404 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2010 12:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2010 12:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f173.google.com) (209.85.214.173) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 12:38:49 -0000 X-Received: by iwn10 with SMTP id 10so2951391iwn.32 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:37:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.160.205 with SMTP id o13mr4700865ibx.111.1276432668763; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:37:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:37:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:37:48 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=uHq2m7YydHkD2z8OnaFeoaFqkWE97ViD8GPxKesg7SHYWPly X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check this out for some DAB+ samples: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=3D80200 On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:18 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > Please, Ian, Why don't you try to take some radio aircheck with the "new" > DAB+ system and then you upload it to this forum? It is intended to hear > what better or worst it is in comparison with analog AM. > > Please, use something like MP3 at 320 kbps to avoid any kind of "extra" > lost. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "Ian Davidson" wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys > > > > > > I joined the predecessor to this list in 2000 when AM stereo actually > seemed > > to have a chance of working worldwide. > > > > I was one of a few Aussie AMS ambassadors who tried everything to make = it > a > > success in Oz. > > > > I loved the idea of the IAAAS (the International Association for the > > Advancement of AM Stereo) which at the last minute Amy wanted to change > to > > the "International Advocates for the Advancement of AM Stereo". I've > always > > wondered why. Is Amy still here? I hope so!!! > > > > It actually was fun while it lasted. And I made some good friends > > worldwide. > > > > Now ... AM stereo is gone in Oz ... though 2CA Canberra may be the last > one > > to put the flame out. > > > > We have digital radio - DAB+. And it's bloody good. I'm no technical > > expert ... but it sounds as good as anything on an iPod. > > > > Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to the sta= te > of > > AM Stereo territory in North America? > > > > > > cheers > > > > Ian > > Melbourne > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 07:01:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6043 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2010 14:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2010 14:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 14:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2010 13:59:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2010 13:59:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:59:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.7 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mPqmyRZazotB-F4RpW7aGdwPzy2D8GgMmKn6BWt8SklU25MsqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Yes, Daniel, it is uncompressed (RAW) PCM format. Why not to put it directly on the air? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hahahahah, >=20 > Footy is Australian Rules Football. Soccer is soccer. >=20 > Juan, I think that the process you described (sampling the analog signal = at > regular timepoints) is Analog to digital Conversion (DAC for short). This > will give you an uncompressed digital PCM (Pulse code modulation). The > process of converting it back to analog is Digital to Analog conversion. > This process doesn't take very long at all. >=20 > The time consuming part is compressing the PCM to cut the amount of > bandwidth required to transmit it. An example of this is converting a > uncompressed WAV file to an compressed MP3. This takes time. The software > performs lots of calculations to figure out what audio can be thrown away > without the audience noticing. >=20 > There may be some time added for error detection and correction too. >=20 > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:48 AM, wrote: >=20 > > > > > > That's an aussie term for soccer. > > > > Scott Todd > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: hank smith > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 4:14 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay > > > > what is a footy match? > > sorry I have never heard of that before > > Hank Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 07:09:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41248 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2010 14:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2010 14:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 14:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2010 14:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2010 14:08:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:08:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.7 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=lYb1tX5QAwhCM4gfnMNqQ3UsCYfx3Hng1tSWKWZdDHUU0y5BVg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Daniel, I have doubts about your description of DAB+. Are you sure it isn't= AM, FM or PM at all? ??? I'm talking about the final modulation system, no= t the frecuencies or bands. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > DAB+ is not an AM or FM system. Its not a hybrid system at all. DAB+ > stations are on a completely different part of the spectrum. >=20 > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting >=20 > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:54 PM, kj4hyd wrote: >=20 > > > > > > On 6/12/2010 5:33 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to the s= tate > > of > > > AM Stereo territory in North America? > > > > > > > We just added 1410 WPCC in C-QUAM AM Stereo. They are running an Optimo= d > > 9100B into a BE AM1A Transmitter with the Built-In AM Stereo Generator. > > > > My next project is adding AM Stereo to 1510 WQUL. > > > > -- > > 73, > > Kevin Raper > > KJ4HYD > > CE WCKI WQIZ > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kah= n > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jun 13 16:06:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99252 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2010 23:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2010 23:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 23:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.184] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100613180545100933200010.0) with SMTP id <20100613180545100933200010> for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:05:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001101cb0b4d$743356a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <001501cb0a63$ba3274a0$d503fea9@stodd> <67525D89BB874FDA8816B3D657169BD0@mygateway> X-Source-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:09:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:05:45 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Ft9izKvO1NEvRUkKVr3juqg3aPyGLZMgl4NvWWTsbmO-PUubyX9O X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I doubt it. That would obsolete all of the DAB receivers out there, and they have a lot of them. This is why SDR is so necessary- England is locked into an older system than the Aussies have. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? so is england going to be switching to dabplus? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jun 13 16:10:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13341 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2010 23:10:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2010 23:10:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 23:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.184] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100613181003101468000010.0) with SMTP id <20100613181003101468000010> for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:10:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002d01cb0b4e$0dd7eb40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull><17E3A0D855C44C4E8D99341A7C46F523@mygateway><010601cb0a79$8010db20$d503fea9@stodd> X-Source-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:13:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:10:03 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=gzI2mGFfboIZ_l77HpoTSzddu8gkeodDyIJwSuSW7CoiNBJtgmPy X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Glad to stand corrected. Soccer IS referred to as football in some countries. I thought rugby was the Aussie and New Zealanders' closest equivalent to american football.. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 7:25 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay > Hahahahah, > > Footy is Australian Rules Football. Soccer is soccer. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jun 13 16:46:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43942 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2010 23:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2010 23:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2010 23:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.184] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100613184557102494200010.0) with SMTP id <20100613184557102494200010> for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:45:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005401cb0b53$11e67c60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:49:27 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:45:57 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lurvljT7--EJbhqwgdHiRDuaTOUDxACuQLyzPd6QOPFOBjXTXAvb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A correction to your AM stereo list- KXEL, Waterloo IA is not now nor ever has been AMS. I do know they had seriously considered it at one time, per their CE, but they never followed through. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:19 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: The North American AMS Report You write: >We just added 1410 WPCC in C-QUAM AM Stereo. They are running an >Optimod 9100B into a BE AM1A Transmitter with the Built-In AM >Stereo Generator. KWHW in Altus, Oklahoma now broadcasts C-QuAM stereo per their chief engineer. http://meduci.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Jun 13 19:06:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75851 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 02:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 02:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f175.google.com) (209.85.214.175) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 02:06:37 -0000 X-Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so3606895iwn.20 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:06:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.184.167 with SMTP id ck39mr5704940ibb.156.1276481196747; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:06:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:06:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:06:36 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=6XV9hmxO90TrXmMwutHcc7fFiGCW0v7U3CECmaEvd1N4tUr2 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, I think I understand what you are asking now (sorry)! Correct me if I'm wrong but are you asking if AM, FM or PM is used to encode the digital symbols of 0 and 1? DAB+ uses Coded Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing (COFDM). This technique has numerous carriers instead of just one. According to this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_frequency-division_multiplexing), each sub-carrier is modulated with a conventional modulation scheme such as quadrature AM or phase-shift keying. Not exactly sure what DAB+ uses on its sub-carriers. I hope this is a better answer to your question :-) On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > Daniel, I have doubts about your description of DAB+. Are you sure it isn= 't > AM, FM or PM at all? ??? I'm talking about the final modulation system, n= ot > the frecuencies or bands. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > DAB+ is not an AM or FM system. Its not a hybrid system at all. DAB+ > > stations are on a completely different part of the spectrum. > > > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting > > > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:54 PM, kj4hyd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/12/2010 5:33 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > > Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to the > state > > > of > > > > AM Stereo territory in North America? > > > > > > > > > > We just added 1410 WPCC in C-QUAM AM Stereo. They are running an > Optimod > > > 9100B into a BE AM1A Transmitter with the Built-In AM Stereo Generato= r. > > > > > > My next project is adding AM Stereo to 1510 WQUL. > > > > > > -- > > > 73, > > > Kevin Raper > > > KJ4HYD > > > CE WCKI WQIZ > > > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematic= al > > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard > Kahn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Jun 13 19:12:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94261 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 02:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 02:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f170.google.com) (209.85.214.170) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 02:12:28 -0000 X-Received: by mail-iw0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 37so211735iwn.29 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:12:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.168.135 with SMTP id u7mr5293218iby.125.1276481548193; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:12:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:12:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:12:28 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=yks6DPhR5DpIKp08pQIQupORxECS8d5_qr6crVWURwnQM0NX X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > Yes, Daniel, it is uncompressed (RAW) PCM format. > > Why not to put it directly on the air? ??? > > > Because each program would consume a large amount of spectrum and spectrum is expensive. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sun Jun 13 20:59:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79258 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 03:59:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 03:59:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.143) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 03:59:41 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100614035930.TNUR20574.nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:59:30 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100614035929.THFE2192.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:59:29 +0000 To: References: <16F82100A83A4A49AB890F9CF1289059@seagull> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:59:27 +1000 Message-ID: <508506BCEF4F49F4995A219BA37BB145@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsKMRkKMIZ8BfTtQ9ayI+/jGB1HEwBQgIgg X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090201.4C15A922.00A3,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rx0yF9z4TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7f8LbM7hND21TpcNhmPO2gqYKz0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.143 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W. > I remember Amy. > There were some very interesting (and sometimes very heated) > postings back in those days. Hi Dick Yes, the AMS lists were a powder keg in those days ... constantly being derailed by a clash of egos. But they were good days and we did win some constructive battles. I guess it was inevitable that we'd eventually lose the war. > Is DAB+ utilized on medium wave (AM) in Australia? Or is DAB+ an FM system? I'm not technical ... but as I understand it DAB+ in Oz transmits on the VHF band somewhere near and including where TV channel 9A would be. Because stations are tuned automatically ... and displayed by name in alphabetical order ... there's no reason any more to know the frequency of all the stations. Currently analog TV transmissions are being switched off. This should take a couple of years to trickle through every market. The first area to be switched off is Sunraysia (North-Western Victoria). The federal government is funding a cheap (approx $30 or so) digital set top box for all those on a full government pension. Ain't socialism grand! I think it's a price that we can all bear. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sun Jun 13 21:11:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50441 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 04:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 04:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.140) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 04:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100614041120.EOBG12310.nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:11:20 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100614041119.TTEU2192.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:11:19 +0000 To: References: <001501cb0a63$ba3274a0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:11:16 +1000 Message-ID: <7BE536FDAB9944F0998963CAE933BDD6@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <001501cb0a63$ba3274a0$d503fea9@stodd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsKY1XvTXiQvwCKTtGi7UDRLpxYtwBEzeyw X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090207.4C15ABE8.0080,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: qB4zEtX5TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7f8LbM7hND21TpcNh6PP2AqYaz0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.140 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scott As I understand it, my DAB+ radios would work OK in the UK where they have DAB (no+). But UK Dave couldn't listen to our DAB+ signals with his local DAB radios as they wouldn't recognise the +. In the long term you'd have to expect that the UK will update to DAB+. And I guess eventually all digital radios will be able to receive software updates as digital TVs do. Ian _____ From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 5:13 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC dying here? - what about DAB+? The problem with ALL of the current digital radio schemes is they'll soon be obsolete such as what they're running in Canada now. England's DAB might be OK, but now they're locked into it while you Aussies have DAB+. The emphasis needs to shift from merely some digital scheme to software defined radios which can be updated to newer and better systems as they are developed. Scott Todd . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sun Jun 13 21:25:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92059 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 04:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 04:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 04:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100614042505.YCES11569.nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:25:05 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100614042505.BUQV3673.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:25:05 +0000 To: References: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull> <17E3A0D855C44C4E8D99341A7C46F523@mygateway> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:25:02 +1000 Message-ID: <0B0EAD0EBBED44EB9ECB69B78D0A3241@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <17E3A0D855C44C4E8D99341A7C46F523@mygateway> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsKdDkPnH2j8o2BTOqe/FSdmPMFxQBA+6mA X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090208.4C15AF21.0123,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rR81Et36TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7f8LbM7hND21TpcNh6PPGQqY6n0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.146 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hank smith > what is a footy match? > sorry I have never heard of that before I could say it's a small combustible implement used to ignite a football ... but it's simply a game of football. You Americans used to worry me about rooting for your teams ... In Oz we barrack for our teams. It's much more civilised. Ian :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sun Jun 13 22:01:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11415 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 05:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 05:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.149) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 05:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100614050133.IVCR12312.nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:01:33 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100614050132.DFJI3673.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:01:32 +0000 To: References: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull> <17E3A0D855C44C4E8D99341A7C46F523@mygateway> <010601cb0a79$8010db20$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:01:30 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <010601cb0a79$8010db20$d503fea9@stodd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsKeRA9lLz28/qbSR64otJ+6LN96QBAKPfg X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090205.4C15B7AD.008E,ss=1,pt=113350,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: qB41Edz5TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7f8LbM7hND21TpcNh+PPmAqYK/0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Scott Todd > That's an aussie term for soccer. No Scott ... it's not a term for a soccer match. In Oz there are four popular football codes ... Australian Rules Football (almost the oldest football code in the world), Rugby League, Rugby Union, and Soccer. A "footy match" is a game of Aussie Rules footy. The first match was played between Melbourne Grammar and Geelong Grammar in 1856. Some heathens in NSW and Queensland try and call their rugby (we call it thugby) games footy ... but they hardly ever kick the "football". Soccer games here are called soccer games. I watched most of the World Cup Soccer match from South Africa at 4:20 am this morning. The Germans made mincemeat of our popular Socceroos 4 to 0. Praise the Lord that there'll be 80,000 screaming supporters at Melbourne's MCG this arvo to watch a proper footy game between Collingwood and Melbourne on this ridiculous "Queen's Birthday" public holiday. Seeing as Queen Lizzy II was born on 21 April 1926 it's amazing that we celebrate it in June. And no Scott ... I'm not succumbing to a deep political discussion here on this list. You are politically out of step with most of us here. Hopefully one of these days you'll realise that good governments survive or fall by trying to look after the interests of all the people that they are supposed to represent ... not by starting wars and deciding every issue on how it will affect the prospects of capitalistic profit takers. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay what is a footy match? sorry I have never heard of that before Hank Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sun Jun 13 22:33:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72249 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 05:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 05:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 05:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100614053305.KADL26010.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:33:05 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100614053304.WVBW2192.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:33:04 +0000 To: References: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull><17E3A0D855C44C4E8D99341A7C46F523@mygateway><010601cb0a79$8010db20$d503fea9@stodd> <002d01cb0b4e$0dd7eb40$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:33:02 +1000 Message-ID: <044544D307484EC98391583FC99644B8@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <002d01cb0b4e$0dd7eb40$d503fea9@stodd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsLTabbexA98RPPTbmWu0JKbH6YDQAMdAlg X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090209.4C15BF11.007B,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rhszFN37TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7f8LbM7hND21TpcNh+PPWIqY6n0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.152 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Scott Todd > Glad to stand corrected. Well. There's a first time for everything!! :) > Soccer IS referred to as football in some countries. I thought rugby was > the Aussie and New Zealanders' closest equivalent to american football.. Scott ... nobody ever mentioned that ridiculous game that you accurately call American football. (Some of us tend to call it Gridiron.) Maybe some of you insular people should open your eyes to several international football codes where the basic object of the game is to actually kick a football. Aussie Rules is already played quite successfully in America and Japan. On one point you are right. Rugby (League and Union) is more similar to American football ... except that rugby players in Oz don't wear all that Mad Max protection gear that your boys do. Men are men in Oz. The trouble is though that it's just a game of keepings off - they very rarely actually kick the ball. It would be better named as Grab-ball. Ian Collingwood Football Club Member (we have over 40,000) No 761. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 02:29:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43792 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 09:29:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 09:29:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 09:29:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2010 09:26:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2010 09:26:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:26:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005401cb0b53$11e67c60$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.235.235.19 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=9Ygsjbm0TNTcQZbVpmKgCeaSxjyE7abcEr4K6LuZyD5kMBCyL-4U X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >A correction to your AM stereo list- KXEL, Waterloo IA is not=20 >now nor ever has been AMS. I do know they had seriously=20 >considered it at one time, per their CE, but they never=20 >followed through. Are there any other corrections necessary to the listing?=20=20 Thank you. http://meduci.com/stations.html From akekalos@gmail.com Mon Jun 14 03:27:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: akekalos@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14477 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 10:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 10:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f176.google.com) (209.85.160.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 10:27:42 -0000 X-Received: by gyf1 with SMTP id 1so3137592gyf.35 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:27:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.101.180.38 with SMTP id h38mr4485066anp.253.1276511261587; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:27:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.124.4 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:27:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <005401cb0b53$11e67c60$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:27:40 -0400 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Antonios Kekalos Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=398729583; y=mRZyU9NpnagpjHGY3QQxvPOAt9uiJdN_s0I1pKaIkmi5qPc X-Yahoo-Profile: tkekalos Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WTCM 580 AM is no longer bdcsting in AM stereo. Tony Kekalos Traverse City, MI On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:26 AM, jeffdeck2001 wrote= : > > > You write: > >A correction to your AM stereo list- KXEL, Waterloo IA is not > >now nor ever has been AMS. I do know they had seriously > >considered it at one time, per their CE, but they never > >followed through. > > Are there any other corrections necessary to the listing? > Thank you. > http://meduci.com/stations.html > >=20=20 > --=20 Tony, N4RNI Traverse City, MI SWLR-RN072 EN74es I'm apathetic, but I don't care [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 05:18:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 520 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 12:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 12:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 12:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2010 12:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2010 12:17:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:17:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.20 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=RsGICQQ0ee4zlnePicYoold5YVunnahCB8vmB1P3v4YUynKODw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 In other words... it is AM and PM with a lot of carriers (same basis as IBO= C and DRM). I guess the difference between DAB+ and IBOC or DRM is the software and the= code itself (and the fact that DAB+ is another band, not MW, SW or VHF). Whatever, it is basically the same: a desperately trick to prove that digit= al is better than analog. Stupid war!!! We listen in analog, we need analog air sound waves (basic physics of the h= uman hearing). We see in analog, we need analog light waves (basic physics = of the human eye). Up today, even if you use a CD as sound source, you need an analog final po= wer amplifier and "THE" analog sound devices: the loudspeaker. So... I insists: LEAVE THE DIGITAL WORLD TO THE STUDIO JOB. KEEP ON ANALOG WORLD = ON THE AIR. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hi Juan, >=20 > I think I understand what you are asking now (sorry)! Correct me if I'm > wrong but are you asking if AM, FM or PM is used to encode the digital > symbols of 0 and 1? >=20 > DAB+ uses Coded Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing (COFDM). This > technique has numerous carriers instead of just one. >=20 > According to this ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_frequency-division_multiplexing), > each sub-carrier is modulated with a conventional modulation scheme such = as > quadrature AM or phase-shift keying. Not exactly sure what DAB+ uses on i= ts > sub-carriers. >=20 > I hope this is a better answer to your question :-) >=20 > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Daniel, I have doubts about your description of DAB+. Are you sure it i= sn't > > AM, FM or PM at all? ??? I'm talking about the final modulation system,= not > > the frecuencies or bands. > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > DAB+ is not an AM or FM system. Its not a hybrid system at all. DAB+ > > > stations are on a completely different part of the spectrum. > > > > > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:54 PM, kj4hyd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/12/2010 5:33 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > > > Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to t= he > > state > > > > of > > > > > AM Stereo territory in North America? > > > > > > > > > > > > > We just added 1410 WPCC in C-QUAM AM Stereo. They are running an > > Optimod > > > > 9100B into a BE AM1A Transmitter with the Built-In AM Stereo Genera= tor. > > > > > > > > My next project is adding AM Stereo to 1510 WQUL. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > 73, > > > > Kevin Raper > > > > KJ4HYD > > > > CE WCKI WQIZ > > > > > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathemat= ical > > > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard > > Kahn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 05:46:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6524 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 12:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 12:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 12:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2010 12:42:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2010 12:42:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:41:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.20 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1-xxscdky9BMQVMXHAnh4GLR_wgR_3eaN9mNZUPc7VpI4tWh2w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I'm not a friend of the idea to put digital code on the air, but... "MAYBE"= , the solution would be if someone could to invent a very, super, hyper, me= ga, giga, tera, etc. fast electronic switch to get the same that the old ve= ry known Morse Code system. So, each time we need the value "1", then the system would transmit the car= rier. Each time we need the value "0", then the system wouldn't transmit th= e carrier. Easy. Simple and directly to the point. Hahahahaha!!! The problems are: 1) Nobody can assure the receivers would be enough smart to distinguish whe= n there is a carrier and when not, and when it is a carrier and when it is = only noise interference. 2) That "super" fast electronic and automatic switch should to change from = on to off (without to fail over the years) 1,411,200 times per second!!! if= we want to use the same PCM code that standard CDs. It should to perform t= hat without mechanical problems like heat, rust, etc. 3) Again, if we want to use the same CDs standard, we need carriers above 2= ,822,400 Hz (minimal the double of the bitrate). This is on the SW bands an= d everybody knows all the phasing problems we have IN the SW bands. 4) Even you could get fix all the three described problems, we should wonde= r "THE" very important question of the all times: WOULD THE LISTENERS CARE = FOR THAT? ??? Sorry, but I guess the answer is "NOT". All this "new" techno= logy means: new tuners. In other words: "MONEY". People doesn't want to spe= nd money, people just want a lot of fun, music, sports, news, etc. If the p= eople can get it from the today devices... Why to change? ??? Just my personal humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Yes, Daniel, it is uncompressed (RAW) PCM format. > > > > Why not to put it directly on the air? ??? > > > > > > > Because each program would consume a large amount of spectrum and spectru= m > is expensive. >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jun 14 06:18:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48615 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 13:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 13:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f175.google.com) (209.85.161.175) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 13:18:00 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 19so728742gxk.6 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:18:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.188.9 with SMTP id l9mr7233180ybf.109.1276521479609; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q4sm32199248ybk.39.2010.06.14.06.17.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C162C07.6070709@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:17:59 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull> <17E3A0D855C44C4E8D99341A7C46F523@mygateway> <010601cb0a79$8010db20$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=PFEXL0N0NivJ1HfvPRB54sD21eOcV2D8luZKur9DtpyM4wcsDrveA72QRn4cKA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 6/14/2010 1:01 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > Praise the Lord that there'll be 80,000 screaming supporters at > Melbourne's MCG this arvo to watch a proper footy game between > Collingwood and Melbourne on this ridiculous "Queen's Birthday" public > holiday. Feeling very very empty right now. I can accept a draw but not when we kick 22 behinds. A Collingwood fan in South Carolina. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 06:46:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43641 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2010 13:46:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2010 13:46:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.80) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2010 13:46:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44954 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2010 13:46:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4690.44558.qm@web112002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dkOjyx0VM1l8FWq.1SOxL6qwjPWihyMle7tQCYeX7Iu_Lr3 f2.e5M2bv0vfILXTr0LV.IL2i1Ir4iByTbS2xrT3xVVeueM45QRUDr5PwO5N sx4rR8D7m_PT3nCXa_fRVGRPjOjKfeYj8.HtScut1A_GoubrLOxWAcsI.zy6 vMH7ih8gGkqFVFSBXKmlXTqlHZKDWlA0z_JrKXkPdKy7sgfGWBpGY9yDhPTH Pbabhm.k1K6P9QnNYvFphRnqhU64qtLWhxvdSxQWRTTtfzv0ap.CCUISwhV9 UJc8PpXeB6AuGFF3ZndPW49T1_fwqSTz.Qg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.176] by web112002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:46:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/397.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 References: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull> <17E3A0D855C44C4E8D99341A7C46F523@mygateway> <010601cb0a79$8010db20$d503fea9@stodd> <4C162C07.6070709@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:46:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4C162C07.6070709@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: AMj stereo list update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7_ygMbY0u43MHN16Ia4GTKpTl9O1H_sMrWdLKG7g6_I X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WGCR 720 is NOT AM stereo and has not been in years. I am not sure WIXE 1190 in Monroe is since they went to 5000 watts and they do have some night power. WPCC 1410 Clinton SC is, but it's a mono audio source. Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jun 14 18:42:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87999 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2010 01:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2010 01:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f171.google.com) (209.85.214.171) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 01:42:30 -0000 X-Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so1181170iwn.30 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:42:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.125.87 with SMTP id x23mr7650226ibr.88.1276566150067; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:42:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:42:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C162C07.6070709@gmail.com> References: <6597EF109D19447680DC4DB89863C16E@seagull> <17E3A0D855C44C4E8D99341A7C46F523@mygateway> <010601cb0a79$8010db20$d503fea9@stodd> <4C162C07.6070709@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:42:30 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.171 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Broadcasting Delay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=Trc7yxWkZmZlt7e1dE6tRb3YAgIRIfjCE2OapJbkOcQfwGqZ X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Ian and myself are probably alone in knowing what it means to kick 22 behinds (I am a Fremantle Supporter). It probably evokes a slightly different image for the rest of this community :-D Juan said: People doesn't want to spend money, people just want a lot of fun, music, sports, news, etc. If the people can get it from the today devices... Why to change? ??? Maybe they wont change. If people don't buy the new receivers, then the broadcasters will eventually give up trying to transmit it. In Australia, the change to digital isn't being forced on us. So it will be interesting to see if people vote with their money and buy or not buy the new receivers. I only have a DAB+ receiver because I won one at the launch. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jun 14 20:28:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 249 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2010 03:28:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2010 03:28:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f180.google.com) (209.85.214.180) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 03:28:19 -0000 X-Received: by iwn38 with SMTP id 38so6887450iwn.11 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:28:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.176.75 with SMTP id bd11mr7193664ibb.22.1276572499214; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:28:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:28:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:28:19 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.180 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=BFt3Y9B6Z8qy7wMya67ScoTvQcx81e7Max-C5TE2iuF1hnZF X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So much passion!! It is certainly true that the final sound device is analog. I guess the ide= a of digital is to represent the analog waveform in such a way that it doesn'= t degrade over time or distance. If you can still read the numbers (the digital sound intensity levels represented by 0s and 1s), you can perfectly play back what was originally recorded (as long as the transmitted radio waves haven't degraded so that you can no longer distingush 0s and 1s). For analog, the signal levels will not be exactly the same as they were at the studio. By Nyquist theorem (or is it Shannon?), you can perfectly represent an analog waveform by using a sample rate double that of the highest frequency in the analog wave. I am not advocating analog or digital. They both have their applications. I should clarify that the fact that you can accurately transmit and receive a series of numbers over digital radio doesn't mean that these numbers accurately represent the audio waveform. These numbers usually do not represent the sampled sound levels directly (PCM). Instead, these numbers commonly represent a waveform that has had a LOSSY data compression technique applied to it (such as MP3 or AAC). Variables such as bitrate, compression efficiency, sample rate, word size affect how accurate the reconstructed waveform will be at the receiver. I'm not sure how this discussion ended up in this topic but there you go! You already know most of it but it helps clarify things in my head :-) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:17 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > In other words... it is AM and PM with a lot of carriers (same basis as > IBOC and DRM). > > I guess the difference between DAB+ and IBOC or DRM is the software and t= he > code itself (and the fact that DAB+ is another band, not MW, SW or VHF). > > Whatever, it is basically the same: a desperately trick to prove that > digital is better than analog. > > Stupid war!!! > > We listen in analog, we need analog air sound waves (basic physics of the > human hearing). We see in analog, we need analog light waves (basic physi= cs > of the human eye). > > Up today, even if you use a CD as sound source, you need an analog final > power amplifier and "THE" analog sound devices: the loudspeaker. So... > > I insists: LEAVE THE DIGITAL WORLD TO THE STUDIO JOB. KEEP ON ANALOG WORL= D > ON THE AIR. > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > Hi Juan, > > > > I think I understand what you are asking now (sorry)! Correct me if I'm > > wrong but are you asking if AM, FM or PM is used to encode the digital > > symbols of 0 and 1? > > > > DAB+ uses Coded Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing (COFDM). Thi= s > > technique has numerous carriers instead of just one. > > > > According to this ( > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_frequency-division_multiplexing > ), > > each sub-carrier is modulated with a conventional modulation scheme suc= h > as > > quadrature AM or phase-shift keying. Not exactly sure what DAB+ uses on > its > > sub-carriers. > > > > I hope this is a better answer to your question :-) > > > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Daniel, I have doubts about your description of DAB+. Are you sure it > isn't > > > AM, FM or PM at all? ??? I'm talking about the final modulation syste= m, > not > > > the frecuencies or bands. > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > > > DAB+ is not an AM or FM system. Its not a hybrid system at all. DAB= + > > > > stations are on a completely different part of the spectrum. > > > > > > > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:54 PM, kj4hyd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/12/2010 5:33 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > > > > Can one of you nice souls please provide a current report as to > the > > > state > > > > > of > > > > > > AM Stereo territory in North America? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We just added 1410 WPCC in C-QUAM AM Stereo. They are running an > > > Optimod > > > > > 9100B into a BE AM1A Transmitter with the Built-In AM Stereo > Generator. > > > > > > > > > > My next project is adding AM Stereo to 1510 WQUL. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > 73, > > > > > Kevin Raper > > > > > KJ4HYD > > > > > CE WCKI WQIZ > > > > > > > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical > > > > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leona= rd > > > Kahn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 22:09:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80255 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2010 05:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2010 05:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 05:09:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28177 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2010 05:09:14 -0000 Message-ID: <615375.27201.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mKUdm1gVM1mPHUvi_hXUpiiQ7.P2ug2ld_nck.2xyZ3gpBR kxbeYO5CDEmltD7_3rFK2m6pnzL25yziSSelp.aBHUNuXVHww1fn6TiJFmNA Y3hUvjyU1Y6UTUGTbIc2M6z3fO5cqTVOaBNq18RQk3SojKXd7McVIVuvbjeg _nJiCwDTQ1wekkx6W0Z6Pv6lA1nWSYayZPYRD8IvUl5z9v9u6FsdZFMAEsAM KjSJznaMSE.oMZpQHxAaplMJ0kHeqlpwb88820T2jyYeW3bVwQnqwKChahQt NuSvNiEP6tVHueCoNwikGZ8BlA71O0YKTcYYXrHA4EV0LbTcywbKtxW.Flaj 0FRQit4Pum80I8RRmTFB8yRjTr1.x_8G6p7E_jdFApKW7ZQ4- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:09:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.1.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:09:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=QPdVcyKvMHGAqCy5MftqC9yEkpjVaUTfa3cYpEU023cQGg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Passion indeed! You mentioned word length...did you know one of the neat t= hings about ATRAC is that the word length is variable? Cool, eh? Nyquist overlooked one thing...if you sample a 10 kHz tone at EXACTLY 20 kH= z, depending on the phase relationship, you could get anything from zero to= God knows what...I think that is why they use slightly OVER twice the rate= . (CDs being 41.1 kHz) Tektronix used to use this effect to advantage for = looking at microwaves on a scope that had nowhere near that frequency abili= ty, rendering the wave as a bunch of samples that resulted in a much longer= wave, which the scope COULD resolve. Nothing beats as many samples as practical, defined by as many bits as prac= tical. The cost of memory keeps falling, and I think before long anybody w= ill be able to afford what only studios could once have, and for that I am = grateful to digital technology. But until then, don't look for my rusty/trusty reel-to-reel waiting for the= garbage truck, hah-hah :>) (fast, wide tape=3Dnear-infinite bit rate) G --- On Mon, 6/14/10, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > From: Daniel Piccoli > Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 11:28 PM > So much passion!! >=20 > It is certainly true that the final sound device is analog. > I guess the idea > of digital is to represent the analog waveform in such a > way that it doesn't > degrade over time or distance. If you can still read the > numbers (the > digital sound intensity levels represented by 0s and 1s), > you can perfectly > play back what was originally recorded (as long as the > transmitted radio > waves haven't degraded so that you can no longer distingush > 0s and 1s). For > analog, the signal levels will not be exactly the same as > they were at the > studio. >=20 > By Nyquist theorem (or is it Shannon?), you can perfectly > represent an > analog waveform by using a sample rate double that of the > highest frequency > in the analog wave. >=20 > I am not advocating analog or digital. They both have their > applications. >=20 > I should clarify that the fact that you can accurately > transmit and receive > a series of numbers over digital radio doesn't mean that > these numbers > accurately represent the audio waveform. These numbers > usually do not > represent the sampled sound levels directly (PCM). Instead, > these numbers > commonly represent a waveform that has had a LOSSY data > compression > technique applied to it (such as MP3 or AAC). Variables > such as bitrate, > compression efficiency, sample rate, word size affect how > accurate the > reconstructed waveform will be at the receiver. >=20 > I'm not sure how this discussion ended up in this topic but > there you go! > You already know most of it but it helps clarify things in > my head :-) >=20 > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:17 PM, jotape1960 > wrote: >=20 > > > > > > In other words... it is AM and PM with a lot of > carriers (same basis as > > IBOC and DRM). > > > > I guess the difference between DAB+ and IBOC or DRM is > the software and the > > code itself (and the fact that DAB+ is another band, > not MW, SW or VHF). > > > > Whatever, it is basically the same: a desperately > trick to prove that > > digital is better than analog. > > > > Stupid war!!! > > > > We listen in analog, we need analog air sound waves > (basic physics of the > > human hearing). We see in analog, we need analog light > waves (basic physics > > of the human eye). > > > > Up today, even if you use a CD as sound source, you > need an analog final > > power amplifier and "THE" analog sound devices: the > loudspeaker. So... > > > > I insists: LEAVE THE DIGITAL WORLD TO THE STUDIO JOB. > KEEP ON ANALOG WORLD > > ON THE AIR. > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > Hi Juan, > > > > > > I think I understand what you are asking now > (sorry)! Correct me if I'm > > > wrong but are you asking if AM, FM or PM is used > to encode the digital > > > symbols of 0 and 1? > > > > > > DAB+ uses Coded Orthogonal Frequency Division > Multiplexing (COFDM). This > > > technique has numerous carriers instead of just > one. > > > > > > According to this ( > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_frequency-division_multiplexi= ng > > ), > > > each sub-carrier is modulated with a conventional > modulation scheme such > > as > > > quadrature AM or phase-shift keying. Not exactly > sure what DAB+ uses on > > its > > > sub-carriers. > > > > > > I hope this is a better answer to your question > :-) > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jotape1960 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daniel, I have doubts about your description > of DAB+. Are you sure it > > isn't > > > > AM, FM or PM at all? ??? I'm talking about > the final modulation system, > > not > > > > the frecuencies or bands. > > > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with > love > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > > > > > DAB+ is not an AM or FM system. Its not > a hybrid system at all. DAB+ > > > > > stations are on a completely different > part of the spectrum. > > > > > > > > > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:54 PM, kj4hyd > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/12/2010 5:33 AM, Ian Davidson > wrote: > > > > > > > Can one of you nice souls > please provide a current report as to > > the > > > > state > > > > > > of > > > > > > > AM Stereo territory in North > America? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We just added 1410 WPCC in C-QUAM > AM Stereo. They are running an > > > > Optimod > > > > > > 9100B into a BE AM1A Transmitter > with the Built-In AM Stereo > > Generator. > > > > > > > > > > > > My next project is adding AM > Stereo to 1510 WQUL. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > Kevin Raper > > > > > > KJ4HYD > > > > > > CE WCKI WQIZ > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no limitation to the > fidelity of AM radio. From a > > mathematical > > > > > > standpoint, AM does better in > frequency response than FM. - Leonard > > > > Kahn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > >=A0=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 04:57:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80671 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2010 11:57:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2010 11:57:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 11:57:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2010 11:57:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2010 11:57:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:57:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <615375.27201.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.85 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_e0GoZhzLvFTBlqhOLXW_Y16xh1zzaY2hqPT6J7Wte9uOcsJmg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Daniel and George. I'm not a digital world enemy (I've already said it). But, as George said, I wouldn't be so sure about the NYQUIST theory. To clarify it as well as possible. Let's think about a pure sinusoidal audi= o wave at 15 kHz (hardly "catchable" by most people). It has, at least, fiv= e very important points: 1) First point: the 0=BA phase, point when the wave starts. 2) Second point: the 90=BA phase, point when the wave reaches its positive = maximun value (let's say =3D +1) 3) Third point: the 180=BA phase, point when the wave reaches zero power va= lue (0) (the same as the first point). 4) Fourth point: the 270=BA phase, point when the wave reaches its negative= maximun value (let's say =3D -1). 5) Fifth point: the 360=BA phase, point when the wave ends its cycle, reach= ing zero value, again (0), and it starts another cycle and so and on. This five points can be represented into digital stream as: 0=BA =3D 0000 0000 90=BA =3D 0000 0001 180=BA =3D 0000 0000 270=BA =3D 1111 1111 ... (it depends on the encoding code you want to use) 360=BA =3D 0000 0000 Of course, we can eliminate the last fifth point because it is the same sta= rting point from a new cycle. Whatever, as you can see, you need, AT LEAST, four points, four samples eac= h cycle, to represent the original analog wave. Please, let me add something: those four points (samples) represent the edg= es of a simple triangular analog wave. In other words, it is a distorted wa= ve, but absolutely handled by the human hearing system. BUT... 15 kHz with 4 samples each cycle =3D 60,000 samples per seconds!!! F= ar away of the standard 44,100 used in CDs. AND... that value (60,000 samples per second) is the minimal distorted sign= al we could use (without artifacts). If we follow the NYQUIST way, a 15 kHz. at twice time is just 30,000 sample= s per second. It means, the first sample is on the first point of each cycl= e of the wave (0=BA =3D 0 [zero] volt) and the second sample is on the half= point of each cycle of the wave (180=BA, again, =3D 0 [zero] volt)!!! Two = zero values =3D zero output!!! In other words, the NYQUIST theory is saying that 15 kHz can not to be repr= esented by a rate of twice that frecuency!!! How can a CD sound good? ??? Because the fourth part of 44,100 is 11,025 Hz= and... the human hearing is confortable with any kind of signal with, AT L= EAST, 10 kHz bandwidth. SO... the CDs pass through the test... "hardly", "scarcely", "just". I wonder, if CDs are the minimal, minimal, good sound we can get from the d= igital world... How could we think to use less than that to broadcast a "de= cent" signal? ??? The best compressed digital signal I've heard (MP3) is, sometimes, somethin= g like the old Dolby NR cassette tapes (with the typical treble holes) or t= he hiss reduction from some processors (again, with holes). I can't understand how a worst signal would be a "technological advance". I love the digital world and the digital audio (I work in, on and with it e= very day since 1996). But I use it ON the studio, INSIDE a PC, in a full co= ntrollable enviroment. And it works so well... THERE!!! But... other thing = is "on the air", at MW and/or SW bands... mmm... mmm... mmm... LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Passion indeed! You mentioned word length...did you know one of the neat= things about ATRAC is that the word length is variable? Cool, eh? >=20 > Nyquist overlooked one thing...if you sample a 10 kHz tone at EXACTLY 20 = kHz, depending on the phase relationship, you could get anything from zero = to God knows what...I think that is why they use slightly OVER twice the ra= te. (CDs being 41.1 kHz) Tektronix used to use this effect to advantage fo= r looking at microwaves on a scope that had nowhere near that frequency abi= lity, rendering the wave as a bunch of samples that resulted in a much long= er wave, which the scope COULD resolve. >=20 > Nothing beats as many samples as practical, defined by as many bits as pr= actical. The cost of memory keeps falling, and I think before long anybody= will be able to afford what only studios could once have, and for that I a= m grateful to digital technology. > But until then, don't look for my rusty/trusty reel-to-reel waiting for t= he garbage truck, hah-hah :>) (fast, wide tape=3Dnear-infinite bit rate) > G From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 11:53:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19853 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2010 18:53:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2010 18:53:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 18:53:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98013 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2010 18:42:46 -0000 Message-ID: <44078.92632.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: su5hpmQVM1l_SinwavUB1H.JW8qcfwmE7IOiMRW_xMhnKvY bvkXTUV.5saeNNgO_0gYqNypJQ_r8Iz8H7BGR6AQhLI_tPawlgmUYmL9VyF4 U6gIrSCph2v_ypK4tXRN2AK5u7YG5WxJF_SC7YoHNcuBqL2AX8YO1GLsYga8 NNrZciB7MplPVkCuH1OHHhxU5gsEXuSTbL5jjkJ5P3cOd1LhXaUBlGm2KXqp xM1WrN2AdgmkCF9FjWMlQeUAY9kAmUC.BzM.5lTe6VLpC7Jv0LWUVxHVa4Yr dZnk7Co3MkYszyxTTutNpKwJWO92rByS0Cf50j4O0 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:42:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.1.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.274457 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:42:45 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: OT - What's up in Oz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=AnJLRVX6qGoABjo5N78egktIr1MmlgCXD3ILiSSdH0Z3Od6J55QOoug X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ian, and fellow friends from Oz - I sure hope you guys didn't rip your shirts off when the Kiwi's did the header against the Slovaks! Now if you have any girls in your office, then I hope that they did rip their shirts off in celebration; or is the competition so great that Australia and New Zealand are mortal enemies? JohnnyElectron PS: Come on over and visit us here in the USA sometime - bring some 5 gallon buckets and take some crude oil back over with you - it's an "all you can scoop" special in the Gulf of Mexico this month! Free! From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Jun 15 19:12:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76285 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 02:12:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 02:12:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f182.google.com) (209.85.214.182) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 02:12:36 -0000 X-Received: by iwn7 with SMTP id 7so8518812iwn.41 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:12:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.167.146 with SMTP id q18mr8832592iby.108.1276654355604; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:12:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.170.13 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:12:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <615375.27201.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:12:35 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=6zJsCjAsjg9AKvakksuqmFknLNs8yT9yC35USQLHNNqKGPmB X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist=96Shannon_sampling_theore= m , "if a signal contains a component at exactly *B *hertz, then samples spaced at exactly [image: \tfrac{1}{2B}] seconds do not completely determin= e the signal. As George said, you run into problems if the highest frequency is exactly half the sampling rate. This is why the CD sampling rate is slightly higher. I see your point about the triangular wave. However, we know that it will not be a triangular wave because the high frequency sharp edges of the triangle would have been smoothed off by the low pass filter before being converted to digital. So the DAC can act accordingly. Nyquist theorem isn't too far off. I think you might be slightly harsh in saying that a CD only "scarcely" passes the test :-) Recording technique aside, CDs have enough information to be an accurate reflection on the sounds in the studio. You stated that "the best compressed digital signal I've heard (MP3) is, sometimes, something like the old Dolby NR cassette tapes" and "can't understand how a worst signal would be a technological advance" But we have to remember to compare apples with apples (as we are talking about the radio transmission of audio). In other words, AM radio at the receiver's end sounds nothing like a Dolby NR cassette tape either. Althoug= h they are both analog, the AM audio signal has to go through a myriad of plumbing (low pass filters etc.) before it gets to the listener. Therefore, the question should be "Can we consider DAB+ (or any new radio scheme) a technological advance compared to AM/FM stereo" rather than "Can we consider digital radio a technological advance over Compact Discs/Reel t= o Reel/Audio Cassettes/Vinyl". To answer the first question, we need to compare things like audio quality of the different radio schemes with different spectral bandwidths (spectral efficiency), different levels of interference, propogation difficulties etc= . On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:57 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > Daniel and George. > > I'm not a digital world enemy (I've already said it). > > But, as George said, I wouldn't be so sure about the NYQUIST theory. > > To clarify it as well as possible. Let's think about a pure sinusoidal > audio wave at 15 kHz (hardly "catchable" by most people). It has, at leas= t, > five very important points: > > 1) First point: the 0=BA phase, point when the wave starts. > 2) Second point: the 90=BA phase, point when the wave reaches its positiv= e > maximun value (let's say =3D +1) > 3) Third point: the 180=BA phase, point when the wave reaches zero power > value (0) (the same as the first point). > 4) Fourth point: the 270=BA phase, point when the wave reaches its negati= ve > maximun value (let's say =3D -1). > 5) Fifth point: the 360=BA phase, point when the wave ends its cycle, > reaching zero value, again (0), and it starts another cycle and so and on= . > > This five points can be represented into digital stream as: > > 0=BA =3D 0000 0000 > 90=BA =3D 0000 0001 > 180=BA =3D 0000 0000 > 270=BA =3D 1111 1111 ... (it depends on the encoding code you want to use= ) > 360=BA =3D 0000 0000 > > Of course, we can eliminate the last fifth point because it is the same > starting point from a new cycle. > > Whatever, as you can see, you need, AT LEAST, four points, four samples > each cycle, to represent the original analog wave. > > Please, let me add something: those four points (samples) represent the > edges of a simple triangular analog wave. In other words, it is a distort= ed > wave, but absolutely handled by the human hearing system. > > BUT... 15 kHz with 4 samples each cycle =3D 60,000 samples per seconds!!!= Far > away of the standard 44,100 used in CDs. > > AND... that value (60,000 samples per second) is the minimal distorted > signal we could use (without artifacts). > > If we follow the NYQUIST way, a 15 kHz. at twice time is just 30,000 > samples per second. It means, the first sample is on the first point of e= ach > cycle of the wave (0=BA =3D 0 [zero] volt) and the second sample is on th= e half > point of each cycle of the wave (180=BA, again, =3D 0 [zero] volt)!!! Two= zero > values =3D zero output!!! > > In other words, the NYQUIST theory is saying that 15 kHz can not to be > represented by a rate of twice that frecuency!!! > > How can a CD sound good? ??? Because the fourth part of 44,100 is 11,025 = Hz > and... the human hearing is confortable with any kind of signal with, AT > LEAST, 10 kHz bandwidth. > > SO... the CDs pass through the test... "hardly", "scarcely", "just". > > I wonder, if CDs are the minimal, minimal, good sound we can get from the > digital world... How could we think to use less than that to broadcast a > "decent" signal? ??? > > > > I love the digital world and the digital audio (I work in, on and with it > every day since 1996). But I use it ON the studio, INSIDE a PC, in a full > controllable enviroment. And it works so well... THERE!!! But... other th= ing > is "on the air", at MW and/or SW bands... mmm... mmm... mmm... > > LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > george russell wrote: > > > > Passion indeed! You mentioned word length...did you know one of the nea= t > things about ATRAC is that the word length is variable? Cool, eh? > > > > Nyquist overlooked one thing...if you sample a 10 kHz tone at EXACTLY 2= 0 > kHz, depending on the phase relationship, you could get anything from zer= o > to God knows what...I think that is why they use slightly OVER twice the > rate. (CDs being 41.1 kHz) Tektronix used to use this effect to advantage > for looking at microwaves on a scope that had nowhere near that frequency > ability, rendering the wave as a bunch of samples that resulted in a much > longer wave, which the scope COULD resolve. > > > > Nothing beats as many samples as practical, defined by as many bits as > practical. The cost of memory keeps falling, and I think before long anyb= ody > will be able to afford what only studios could once have, and for that I = am > grateful to digital technology. > > But until then, don't look for my rusty/trusty reel-to-reel waiting for > the garbage truck, hah-hah :>) (fast, wide tape=3Dnear-infinite bit rate) > > G > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 20:06:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24146 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 03:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 03:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 03:06:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96248 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2010 03:06:36 -0000 Message-ID: <766979.95896.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: c2U0QDIVM1mhIyFnsIXSSVk3RyKI7_jydxZ362OlIv6mVoY J7i9dVo0gLPVBEkJutFpHlkv1fLI1H.s3z80U7Wt42mrkYOVrmMY1cmxHchy Bwd34OrS6jcAY.ITc8AZoMSWyjn9iUIsNeBv3KJ3xrRlHSQryOPQx.2avfDI yeDBRJamGwvHNmSGvMpY4XlHqHF9bWoOWyGdLFgYMPLLqf3ZqSxgqah1tEOW acLokbnd4nQ92feLWIwFITwGxhLEhOtYTSRCh4uckaimCkPnL5JHVc5cKZx5 Rir5JUO6iKAX.aGjV4YlaIZzP3hqdJ_QyRPFNFLCAjy1C2nT185VMKS4DF0N 8GxjDd4kSqzQRFxE3.BVF21XMdkz2fNJzRG7Nlw-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:06:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.1.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:06:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TVOKLoFToo4cDGn1hpRfJ4Wh6UEkb_2G-PAmWa54qiqdwg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Juan, thanks for the much better detailed description...makes it a lot more= "graspable" if that is a real word? I think if we sample at 96 kHz, then the low pass filter at the end of the = chain will round most stuff into pretty close approximations of a sine wave= . And at 16 bits, there are just over 65.000 possible points between max+ = and max- signal, but at 24, it's more like 16 MILLION points (if I did the = math right...I'm exhausted right now!) That is a HUGE difference in resolut= ion! The biggest drawback I've found with 16-bit is that if you record a s= ignal that is -49 dB, you are working with only 8 bits, or 256 points of re= solution, and a LOT of nuances in live sound can easily be below that point= . I've heard comparative recordings of the same natural setting (thunderst= orm) on 16 and 24 bit recorders, and while the difference may seem subtle t= o the casual listener, it is enough to make the 24-bit sound a lot more lif= e-like. Besides, I like having a few bits of headroom when doing live stuf= f, beats the heck out of relying on a peak limiter, hah-hah! Alas, while fast tape can "resolve" those nuances more clearly than 16-bit,= there is that nasty hiss to deal with, and I'm yet to hear the perfect Dol= by or DbX system. If you can live with the lower S/N ratio of tape, the si= gnal that you DO hear is awesome...a lot of folk will get so captivated by = the realism of the sound that the hiss is un-noticeable, much as we don't n= otice the "noise floor" when at a live concert.=20 When the price of really fast digital stuff drops, I will HAPPILY become an= "all digital dude", because frankly I don't like lugging a heavy tape deck= and battery and inverter around the woods :>)! When a 4-channel 24-bit/96= k rig gets below a couple hundred bucks (and it will), I will leave a vacuu= m behind myself getting into the store to buy it! AS for AM radio, though, analog still offers the best fidelity-per-bandwidt= h option, but ONLY when it is done right. Transmitters are darn good today= , it's time to make the RECEIVERS as good, too! I agree...long live analog AM!!! G Tue, 6/15/10, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > From: Daniel Piccoli > Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 10:12 PM > Hi Juan, >=20 > according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist=E2=80=93Shannon_samplin= g_theorem > , "if a signal contains a component at exactly *B *hertz, > then samples > spaced at exactly [image: \tfrac{1}{2B}] seconds do not > completely determine > the signal. As George said, you run into problems if the > highest frequency > is exactly half the sampling rate. This is why the CD > sampling rate is > slightly higher. >=20 > I see your point about the triangular wave. However, we > know that it will > not be a triangular wave because the high frequency sharp > edges of the > triangle would have been smoothed off by the low pass > filter before being > converted to digital. So the DAC can act accordingly. > Nyquist theorem isn't > too far off. >=20 > I think you might be slightly harsh in saying that a CD > only "scarcely" > passes the test :-) Recording technique aside, CDs have > enough information > to be an accurate reflection on the sounds in the studio. >=20 > You stated that "the best compressed digital signal I've > heard (MP3) is, > sometimes, something like the old Dolby NR cassette tapes" > and "can't > understand how a worst signal would be a technological > advance" >=20 > But we have to remember to compare apples with apples (as > we are talking > about the radio transmission of audio). In other words, AM > radio at the > receiver's end sounds nothing like a Dolby NR cassette tape > either. Although > they are both analog, the AM audio signal has to go through > a myriad of > plumbing (low pass filters etc.) before it gets to the > listener. >=20 > Therefore, the question should be "Can we consider DAB+ (or > any new radio > scheme) a technological advance compared to AM/FM stereo" > rather than "Can > we consider digital radio a technological advance over > Compact Discs/Reel to > Reel/Audio Cassettes/Vinyl". >=20 > To answer the first question, we need to compare things > like audio quality > of the different radio schemes with different spectral > bandwidths (spectral > efficiency), different levels of interference, propogation > difficulties etc. >=20 > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:57 PM, jotape1960 > wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Daniel and George. > > > > I'm not a digital world enemy (I've already said it). > > > > But, as George said, I wouldn't be so sure about the > NYQUIST theory. > > > > To clarify it as well as possible. Let's think about a > pure sinusoidal > > audio wave at 15 kHz (hardly "catchable" by most > people). It has, at least, > > five very important points: > > > > 1) First point: the 0=C2=BA phase, point when the wave > starts. > > 2) Second point: the 90=C2=BA phase, point when the wave > reaches its positive > > maximun value (let's say =3D +1) > > 3) Third point: the 180=C2=BA phase, point when the wave > reaches zero power > > value (0) (the same as the first point). > > 4) Fourth point: the 270=C2=BA phase, point when the wave > reaches its negative > > maximun value (let's say =3D -1). > > 5) Fifth point: the 360=C2=BA phase, point when the wave > ends its cycle, > > reaching zero value, again (0), and it starts another > cycle and so and on. > > > > This five points can be represented into digital > stream as: > > > > 0=C2=BA =3D 0000 0000 > > 90=C2=BA =3D 0000 0001 > > 180=C2=BA =3D 0000 0000 > > 270=C2=BA =3D 1111 1111 ... (it depends on the encoding code > you want to use) > > 360=C2=BA =3D 0000 0000 > > > > Of course, we can eliminate the last fifth point > because it is the same > > starting point from a new cycle. > > > > Whatever, as you can see, you need, AT LEAST, four > points, four samples > > each cycle, to represent the original analog wave. > > > > Please, let me add something: those four points > (samples) represent the > > edges of a simple triangular analog wave. In other > words, it is a distorted > > wave, but absolutely handled by the human hearing > system. > > > > BUT... 15 kHz with 4 samples each cycle =3D 60,000 > samples per seconds!!! Far > > away of the standard 44,100 used in CDs. > > > > AND... that value (60,000 samples per second) is the > minimal distorted > > signal we could use (without artifacts). > > > > If we follow the NYQUIST way, a 15 kHz. at twice time > is just 30,000 > > samples per second. It means, the first sample is on > the first point of each > > cycle of the wave (0=C2=BA =3D 0 [zero] volt) and the second > sample is on the half > > point of each cycle of the wave (180=C2=BA, again, =3D 0 > [zero] volt)!!! Two zero > > values =3D zero output!!! > > > > In other words, the NYQUIST theory is saying that 15 > kHz can not to be > > represented by a rate of twice that frecuency!!! > > > > How can a CD sound good? ??? Because the fourth part > of 44,100 is 11,025 Hz > > and... the human hearing is confortable with any kind > of signal with, AT > > LEAST, 10 kHz bandwidth. > > > > SO... the CDs pass through the test... "hardly", > "scarcely", "just". > > > > I wonder, if CDs are the minimal, minimal, good sound > we can get from the > > digital world... How could we think to use less than > that to broadcast a > > "decent" signal? ??? > > > > > > > > I love the digital world and the digital audio (I work > in, on and with it > > every day since 1996). But I use it ON the studio, > INSIDE a PC, in a full > > controllable enviroment. And it works so well... > THERE!!! But... other thing > > is "on the air", at MW and/or SW bands... mmm... > mmm... mmm... > > > > LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , > > george russell wrote: > > > > > > Passion indeed! You mentioned word length...did > you know one of the neat > > things about ATRAC is that the word length is > variable? Cool, eh? > > > > > > Nyquist overlooked one thing...if you sample a 10 > kHz tone at EXACTLY 20 > > kHz, depending on the phase relationship, you could > get anything from zero > > to God knows what...I think that is why they use > slightly OVER twice the > > rate. (CDs being 41.1 kHz) Tektronix used to use this > effect to advantage > > for looking at microwaves on a scope that had nowhere > near that frequency > > ability, rendering the wave as a bunch of samples that > resulted in a much > > longer wave, which the scope COULD resolve. > > > > > > Nothing beats as many samples as practical, > defined by as many bits as > > practical. The cost of memory keeps falling, and I > think before long anybody > > will be able to afford what only studios could once > have, and for that I am > > grateful to digital technology. > > > But until then, don't look for my rusty/trusty > reel-to-reel waiting for > > the garbage truck, hah-hah :>) (fast, wide > tape=3Dnear-infinite bit rate) > > > G > > > >=C2=A0=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 20:09:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37156 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 03:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 03:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 03:09:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91696 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2010 03:09:50 -0000 Message-ID: <522556.89829.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: zQlm9sYVM1mb31ol2BWqYjE3RPNkdsRsMyLK4b68Z3ed5l7 vcXcUWkj53MKxGGQU8sPhMHbiSz2SU0ALKbSDqgc5vFtM_eqj13CJIuY7J4. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5_EQHvJ1-qCL5C0zqzVhsNFrhg4qqWMoDCxliBfASc5tsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a great idea! =C2=A0Some enterprising soul should build a giant vacuum= system, suck up the oil, separate it, refine it, and start a chain of gas = stations called "Haney Oil Co."OK, I'll go back in my Faraday cage now...G = =C2=A0 --- On Tue, 6/15/10, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} OT - What's up in Oz? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:42 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Ian, and fellow friends from Oz - I sure hope you guys didn't rip you= r shirts off when the Kiwi's did the header against the Slovaks!=20=20 Now if you have any girls in your office, then I hope that they did rip the= ir shirts off in celebration; or is the competition so great that Australia= and New Zealand are mortal enemies? JohnnyElectron PS: Come on over and visit us here in the USA sometime - bring some 5 gallo= n buckets and take some crude oil back over with you - it's an "all you can= scoop" special in the Gulf of Mexico this month! Free! =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Wed Jun 16 02:22:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71681 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 09:22:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 09:22:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.140) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 09:22:03 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100616092203.SNFN1693.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:22:03 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100616092202.SFVJ2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:22:02 +0000 To: References: <44078.92632.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:22:01 +1000 Message-ID: <84CC7482BD11465BBC31BB08EE809D3F@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsMvA9IWtkS3irQTnWtapE0Xwh7/gAc7uzQ In-Reply-To: <44078.92632.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090208.4C1897BA.0248,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: oh87Gdb4TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU632J7M7hND21ThcNhOPPGMqY670X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT - What's up in Oz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 From: Johnny Electron > Ian, and fellow friends from Oz - I sure hope you guys didn't rip > your shirts off when the Kiwi's did the header against the Slovaks! > Now if you have any girls in your office, then I hope that they did > rip their shirts off in celebration; or is the competition so great that > Australia and New Zealand are mortal enemies? G'day Johnny! There's a lot of healthy rivalry between the Aussies and Kiwis. But it's a bit like the Eurovision Song Contest ... If we don't win we hope they do. They have just achieved their best result ever in the World Cup. We were comprehensively creamed by the Germans. In "Faulty Towers" parlance - "I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it." :) > PS: Come on over and visit us here in the USA sometime - bring some > 5 gallon buckets and take some crude oil back over with you - it's an > "all you can scoop" special in the Gulf of Mexico this month! Free! Yo Johnny. It's pretty obvious that BP doesn't stand for "best practice". I saw on last night's 7:30 Report two wonderful Tassie ladies (who've previously been involved in trying to help beached whales) over there on the shores of the Gulf of Mexico daily washing down pelicans and their recent offsprings of all the dreadful gluggy stuff. If only the world had more people like these good Tasmanians. And while I'm here ... There have been comments (naturally) about why the powers that be should embrace digital technology when already analog technology (read, AM Stereo) can do a more than wonderful job. Well ... this is a reality. In his wisdom, the owner who rents out the little house next door has just started up a demolition and construction job trying to turn it into a mini Taj Mahal. If all of the natural audible banging and crashing isn't enough ... when some of the electronic machinery is turned on my analog AM reception goes something dreadful. At least I can successfully try and drown out the horrible natural audio sounds by turning on DAB+ digital radio and turning it up loud. Besides all the new stations (most of which I don't like, but somebody must) THIS is a major benefit of true digital radio. I hate appearing to be a turncoat ... but this is simply a reality. Ian Melbourne From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Wed Jun 16 03:22:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97782 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 10:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 10:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 10:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100616102230.TUMT24784.nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:22:30 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100616102230.VXXP2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:22:30 +0000 To: References: <766979.95896.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:22:29 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsNAPHq1bomAM4URV6zB9rD6gmBIgANOEOQ In-Reply-To: <766979.95896.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090202.4C18A5E6.0158,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rRwwFdz3TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU632J7M7hND21ThcNxqPPGMqYKz0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 From: george russell > AS for AM radio, though, analog still offers the best fidelity-per-bandwidth > option, but ONLY when it is done right. Transmitters are darn good today, > it's time to make the RECEIVERS as good, too! > I agree...long live analog AM!!! G Hi George I agree with you. AM stereo gave me about 21 years of the happiest radio listening that I've ever experienced! But it failed in Oz because of two reasons ... It simply never was properly promoted. It was already perceived by the Oz radio industry (when it was introduced in 1985) as a failure due to the stupid way it was introduced to North America ... four different competing systems ... capitalism gone mad. At least Australia was the first to mandate C-quam. Secondly, there were so few AM stereo receivers available on the market. After about three years it was almost impossible to buy an AMS radio in Oz. I ended up buying a few from America (firstly with the help of a helpful DJ at KSPL Montana) and Japan. It almost amazes me that some of our AM stations remained in AM stereo for so long. God. It was great while it lasted! The reason why the incumbent commercial AM (and FM) operators in Oz are "embracing" DAB+ is simply because if they didn't ACMA (read your FCC) would have licensed new entrants to the market. The promotions are still going on 10 months after the official launch. And it's sort of working. There's a nice variety of new DAB+ radios available. This never happened with AM stereo. Plus, I suppose you could say all the new digital radio stations. I don't like most of them but I guess somebody does. Of course it is a terrible shame that new entrants have been excluded from the Oz market. That IS something that should be addressed here ... as I'm sure it should be in North America. From the late 80s in Oz it became possible for any radio owner to run two stations instead of one (with restrictions if they also owned newspapers or TV in the same market). I believe in the USA it's possible to own eight radio stations in one market!!! A stupid Aussie would have to ask ... WHY??? (Surely in a democracy there would be others willing to provide an "alternative service".) Those of us here on this list actually love and embrace radio but there are no votes in it. All we can do is try and lobby for the right things ... so let's get on with it. Ian Melbourne From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Wed Jun 16 04:20:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28692 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 11:20:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 11:20:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 11:20:50 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100616112049.YQFM19420.nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:20:49 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100616112049.QFRH1945.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:20:49 +0000 To: References: <615375.27201.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:20:48 +1000 Message-ID: <0D118F23988C497E92575F0F63103000@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsM+WfqymK0rx14Tzqxj3wq42K14gASHhRw In-Reply-To: X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090206.4C18B391.017D,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rRExEdf8TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU632J7M7hND21ThcNxuPPGEqZ6X0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: The Carousel Waltz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 How many of you here remember Rogers and Hammerstein's spectacular overture to their Broadway success "Carousel" in 1945? 20th Century-Fox did a great job of it in 1956 with the movie version. They couldn't entice Frank Sinatra to stay in the main role as they were trying to film two versions (one in Todd AO). But Gordon MacRae eventually did a serviceable job after starring in Oklahoma! Carousel wasn't the most popular R&H musical, but the actual music was sensational. I remember seeing the movie "Carousel" for the first time ever at the Argusy Theatre in a suburban Melbourne suburb ... Would any of you like to go on with this ... ??? Ian (Doesn't matter where) From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Jun 16 05:04:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34388 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 12:04:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 12:04:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 12:04:40 -0000 X-Received: from RDW ([unknown] [96.228.140.43]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L430014EW7PSSF3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 07:04:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <57C519096F7B4BF6B81E81492ADC9E2E@RDW> To: References: <615375.27201.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0D118F23988C497E92575F0F63103000@seagull> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:04:37 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Carousel Waltz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:20 AM Subject: {AMSF} The Carousel Waltz How many of you here remember Rogers and Hammerstein's spectacular overture to their Broadway success "Carousel" in 1945? 20th Century-Fox did a great job of it in 1956 with the movie version. They couldn't entice Frank Sinatra to stay in the main role as they were trying to film two versions (one in Todd AO). But Gordon MacRae eventually did a serviceable job after starring in Oklahoma! Carousel wasn't the most popular R&H musical, but the actual music was sensational. I remember seeing the movie "Carousel" for the first time ever at the Argusy Theatre in a suburban Melbourne suburb ... Would any of you like to go on with this ... ??? Ian (Doesn't matter where) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Jun 16 05:06:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45388 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 12:06:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 12:06:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173015pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.15) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 12:06:32 -0000 X-Received: from RDW ([unknown] [96.228.140.43]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L43008XAWARILF5@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 07:06:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <615375.27201.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0D118F23988C497E92575F0F63103000@seagull> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:06:32 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Carousel Waltz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the blank prior message. Although I've heard of Carousel, I don't recall ever watching or hearing it. I'll make a point to check it out! Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:20 AM Subject: {AMSF} The Carousel Waltz How many of you here remember Rogers and Hammerstein's spectacular overture to their Broadway success "Carousel" in 1945? 20th Century-Fox did a great job of it in 1956 with the movie version. They couldn't entice Frank Sinatra to stay in the main role as they were trying to film two versions (one in Todd AO). But Gordon MacRae eventually did a serviceable job after starring in Oklahoma! Carousel wasn't the most popular R&H musical, but the actual music was sensational. I remember seeing the movie "Carousel" for the first time ever at the Argusy Theatre in a suburban Melbourne suburb ... Would any of you like to go on with this ... ??? Ian (Doesn't matter where) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 05:37:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86644 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 12:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 12:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 12:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2010 12:34:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2010 12:34:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:34:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <766979.95896.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=lXn1xS7IbmRmKeTaFHyqne0XAY79JG8g9Xoz0VtGz55OtrJfn5WUC8w X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I agree: "...4-channel 24-bit/96k rig..." SACD etc, audio at 96k, and QUAD, and I'm sold on it, but MP3's just have n= ever caught my fancy.=20=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 05:46:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61485 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 12:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 12:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 12:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2010 12:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2010 12:46:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:46:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: OT: Connector Pin-Out Assistance Please X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=goerAQmRS5lhPnbQRKt9rMziDfkVB2zb3hwLcVgpXkScVm7NEiLD31Y X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Okay guys, I'm coming-up blank with locating the following: Pinout for XM radio (SkyFi2) Home/Mobile Dock Connector. Pinout for Sirius (Orbiter) Home/Mobile Dock Connector. Pinout for Nissan Sentra iPod connector (so as to be able to interface an X= M radio to it instead)? 25-30 years ago, we had college kids (like us) that did nothing more than t= ear things apart to figure out how they worked, and how to customize them t= o our own personal wants and needs. We built our own AM stereo decoders on= breadboards from a schematic and an MC13020P chip. Don't any of the 'kids' today do any hands-on electronics - or are they all= fixated with keyboards and computers and are hand tool illiterate? As the= USA has less and less manufacturing here, are we becoming more a 'disposab= le' society and less a 'fix it' society? Are automobiles about the only el= ectro-mechanical item people even try to repair anymore? 19 million SatRad customers, and not one can figure out what the connectors= on the satellite radios do? You with think with the Internet at least one= person has done an autopsy on their Satellite Radio hardware? Obviously L = & R audio, power, but what about a pin for enable/disable the built-in FM t= ransmitter or to turn-off the display and the other half-dozen connections? Tech info, suggestions anyone? "Oldtimer" John =20 From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jun 16 13:01:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57083 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 20:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 20:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 20:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o5GK1Zxx006697 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:01:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.da7.7c1880d (37228) for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:01:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d21.mail.aol.com (magic-d21.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.137]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA065-916c4c192d9a1a6; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:01:30 -0400 Message-ID: <8a0de.50693756.394a879a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:01:30 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.137 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Carousel Waltz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FA-OhjvxFt2zkVkaeLN2uyjtMsAP33xMMVOE1apj6bZa26mlKs_LA11CG8nxrV16 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am still trying to understand/recover from Lady Gaga's "Bad Romance" video which I watched by accident on YouTube. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 16:25:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72649 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 23:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 23:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 23:24:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61205 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2010 23:24:54 -0000 Message-ID: <165839.61200.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VtJv548VM1ms3dNa4jIvoLjt1dQvJmT9bD3gL2HxPKtouTC p61GKhSIfLdIjoYuV2DlLljkVORIYW7CgvtqBGAO94UaemQqXgjnc3.hIsEC _3kEYlo_4ZY86AJaAroWDBWmAYLIV.k31mUz2PgBCCpOLNRO3PSQUMSDwsxd ZU6GYuVJi_V95raKT0yaGZ8pebSvfOdrKTPHLPkMCGOHBVnbmn1JvFKMIMEN zjgdlxeV7d92zH2aWruCbVOyl4TBJxIKa1XZL0_X.xT2RFeBWlyVbQ9v2LCv mgrd5Dldf1JlTAeNtMvvLskOs2oFGfJayUTKxhoqJFowt0rghdvPnNqvWgkc 43LorIIxW7IQFu.dY9aiGXtwgTOxqjx5oR9YaZLG7 X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:24:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.1.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:24:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=L2NmcbJHepZqqghqsk62SDmH8rq0LegsW5_6IcCh1viTGA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ian, unfortunately here in the US one owner can have as many stations as it= can buy. =C2=A0Deregulation has pretty much left it a mega-corporate game,= and the programming results show the folly of this! =C2=A0I scan the mediu= m-wave band at night, and typically hear 20 George Noorys, 30 ESPNs, a coup= le dozen Disneys, and if I am lucky, MAYBE something new or different...oh = yes, and a lot of BZZZZ from that horrid IBOC trash. BTW, what ever happened to Dick Patterson at ABC? =C2=A0Used to get up earl= y and listen to him on Radio Australia every morning (9580 kHz)...he still = got a gig somewhere?G=C2=A0 --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Ian Davidson wrote: From: Ian Davidson Subject: RE: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 6:22 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 From: george russell > AS for AM radio, though, analog still offers the best fidelity-per-bandwidth > option, but ONLY when it is done right. Transmitters are darn good today, > it's time to make the RECEIVERS as good, too! > I agree...long live analog AM!!! G Hi George I agree with you. AM stereo gave me about 21 years of the happiest radio listening that I've ever experienced! But it failed in Oz because of two reasons ... It simply never was properly promoted. It was already perceived by the Oz radio industry (when it was introduced in 1985) as a failure due to the stupid way it was introduced to North America ... four different competing systems ... capitalism gone mad. At least Australia was the first to mandate C-quam. Secondly, there were so few AM stereo receivers available on the market. After about three years it was almost impossible to buy an AMS radio in Oz. I ended up buying a few from America (firstly with the help of a helpful DJ at KSPL Montana) and Japan. It almost amazes me that some of our AM stations remained in AM stereo for so long. God. It was great while it lasted! The reason why the incumbent commercial AM (and FM) operators in Oz are "embracing" DAB+ is simply because if they didn't ACMA (read your FCC) woul= d have licensed new entrants to the market. The promotions are still going o= n 10 months after the official launch. And it's sort of working. There's a nice variety of new DAB+ radios available. This never happened with AM stereo. Plus, I suppose you could say all the new digital radio stations. I don't like most of them but I guess somebody does. Of course it is a terrible shame that new entrants have been excluded from the Oz market. That IS something that should be addressed here ... as I'm sure it should b= e in North America. From the late 80s in Oz it became possible for any radio owner to run two stations instead of one (with restrictions if they also owned newspapers or TV in the same market).=20=20 I believe in the USA it's possible to own eight radio stations in one market!!!=20=20=20=20=20 A stupid Aussie would have to ask ... WHY??? (Surely in a democracy there would be others willing to provide an "alternative service".) Those of us here on this list actually love and embrace radio but there are no votes in it. All we can do is try and lobby for the right things ... so let's get on wit= h it. Ian Melbourne =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jun 16 17:39:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97718 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2010 00:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2010 00:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2010 00:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2010 00:39:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2010 00:39:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:39:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.62.120.242 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=bdbl7Xi3rSf_kCj7fP-ZBvZZa0vGoMSECHAkQE4BUJK2 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual $600.00 plus shipping and paypal fee's pic's available. contact off list at kc8gpd at hot mail dot com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 18:58:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63697 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2010 01:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2010 01:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2010 01:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2010 01:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2010 01:56:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:56:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.73.178 From: "Kevin" Subject: Panasonic multi-system AM Stereo generator on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=DjctZ306fGPrhUyoTtcsaj8rTepPpGto3TlanVbqetQ-puwdJA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D180517585857 This is the same model I have, which does a fantastic job at producing an a= pprox. 90 mW (within FCC Part 15 spec) signal from 200 to 2000 kHz, in any = of the four AM Stereo systems: C-Quam, Kahn, Magnavox, and Harris (with 55 = Hz pilot). You get digital tuning in steps down to 10 Hz, adjustable RF output level, = adjustable pilot tone level, pilot on/off, negative peak clipper on/off, an= d a built-in 400 Hz and 1 kHz sine wave generator. The BNC jacks on the le= ft of the front panel are for the left and right audio inputs. I cannot vouch for the condition of this one, but according to a sticker on= the front panel, it was last calibrated in 2003, and the seller does offer= a 7-day DOA return. You guys better jump on it, because I'm half tempted to make an offer on it= myself, as it appears to be in better condition than my own VP-8253P! From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jun 16 22:18:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59699 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2010 05:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2010 05:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2010 05:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o5H5IP6A008460 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:18:30 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e4f.318007d (56034) for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:18:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m27.mail.aol.com (magic-m27.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.200]) by cia-md08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD088-dae24c19b01838f; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:18:16 -0400 Message-ID: <4b683.3e443286.394b0a18@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:18:16 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.200 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ijn5eoH7i42xuEoGpVafbeu4JeERKadau-rdKbDRPRgJL-ja554zSjRf-pAVJSOr X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/16/2010 7:39:36 PM Central Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual That is a fine unit. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jun 17 03:43:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43941 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2010 10:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2010 10:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2010 10:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2010 10:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2010 10:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2010 10:41:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:41:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4b683.3e443286.394b0a18@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.62.120.242 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Py8VS_mWRGn7BNQAC71ePx7L9oBVVmaYJrsT12sVhlIo X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 6/16/2010 7:39:36 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > kc8gpd@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual >=20 > That is a fine unit. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > i also have a couple cherry condition be ax-10's, but i won't sell them. too hard to come by. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jun 17 17:39:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90957 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2010 00:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2010 00:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2010 00:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2010 00:39:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2010 00:39:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 00:39:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.62.120.242 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ND113EkEg8Dg5iJkvx_GefvYPKhiVaqlGV9y-5CmFXkd X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd FYI: there will be no lowering the price on this one. if i can't get $600.0= 0 + shipping/paypal i will just keep it. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/16/2010 7:39:36 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > > kc8gpd@ writes: > >=20 > >=20 > > > I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual > >=20 > > That is a fine unit. > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > i also have a couple cherry condition be ax-10's, but i won't sell them. >=20 > too hard to come by. > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 21:03:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71069 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2010 04:03:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2010 04:03:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2010 04:03:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66475 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2010 04:03:28 -0000 Message-ID: <286517.66462.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: bmUHkSMVM1nePfj5EEaY_vruEpfsb2EyTzoQd.R8YS9eoXE Ltg0F2QiY7OYhfZ9OTy5Lu1IRZ7GpZbiQU.6XgZ6m7YudyPlXwMp7mwVc_ds 0IlZb9AgxiugrVxHu6aIuHl_IdfrBrDyanJ26A3qzfTFcO3Ik9NESUPDkAyy QsQwD4hgdfnhlcrogN_vkUTSY7j6jDBKCq5wHyTn67YMRbUY4hw_EIdNixpF KlQ6kXdQG9njvJJCTgtT6AvxKSnFvueTVUKyWFnDNXH3pgIBMchIeu.c.2ID wRi.rgwtG4TE_A5FVdnFtT8tIzzfVUxjy705vdtxrRrXkqOFiJDJTGkavnIB waKwqKhkvtcO5oI7JssbgwVUiWNRJLSRg.Kaaip0awA-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:03:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.1.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:03:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic multi-system AM Stereo generator on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=fcV33jAQeAPwYf7rqDDB3Y24zsvDACnwlmi6fhA1jlbotw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Damn, why did I have to go and buy a car last week? =C2=A0Could put 'er in = PMX mode and make the old SRF-A100 sing real pretty again. =C2=A0 Somebody = is going to snatch that up, I'll be green with envy, but hope they enjoy th= e heck out of it...G --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Kevin wrote: From: Kevin Subject: {AMSF} Panasonic multi-system AM Stereo generator on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 9:56 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D180517585857 This is the same model I have, which does a fantastic job at producing an a= pprox. 90 mW (within FCC Part 15 spec) signal from 200 to 2000 kHz, in any = of the four AM Stereo systems: C-Quam, Kahn, Magnavox, and Harris (with 55 = Hz pilot). You get digital tuning in steps down to 10 Hz, adjustable RF output level, = adjustable pilot tone level, pilot on/off, negative peak clipper on/off, an= d a built-in 400 Hz and 1 kHz sine wave generator. The BNC jacks on the le= ft of the front panel are for the left and right audio inputs. I cannot vouch for the condition of this one, but according to a sticker on= the front panel, it was last calibrated in 2003, and the seller does offer= a 7-day DOA return. You guys better jump on it, because I'm half tempted to make an offer on it= myself, as it appears to be in better condition than my own VP-8253P! =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 06:22:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29285 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2010 13:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2010 13:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2010 13:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2010 13:19:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2010 13:19:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:19:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.162 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Uqa17tQG383rm8Uq6AVogAL2Ax1sVe-BJKLpdBhpETJOMId4Kw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I'm interesting on it. Can you write me at jotape1960@yahoo.com, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual >=20 > $600.00 plus shipping and paypal fee's >=20 > pic's available. >=20 > contact off list at kc8gpd at hot mail dot com > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jun 18 06:30:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95828 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2010 13:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2010 13:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2010 13:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2010 13:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2010 13:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2010 13:29:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:29:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.162 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9LImoIuI6Vzje3fWcN0ermmcBBuZhueY4mSz-RhulWK6PQIA2g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 4 channels, 48000 samples per second, 32 bits per sample, without any kind = of data compression. THAT IS THE GOAL!!! BTW, my old Revox B-77, open reel tape machine, saved us years ago from the= total disaster!!! Short history: we used in MD, all our commercials, intros and outros, music= beds, etc. One day, the MDs decided to not work anymore. I don't know why, it simply d= idn't work. Thanks God, I had all that information into reels, well saved. SO, I could = to recover all that information and pass it through the standard cassette t= apes and the station keeped on the air. Now we use PCs, but I always have two backup external HDs with all material= s. "Just in case". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > I agree: > "...4-channel 24-bit/96k rig..." > SACD etc, audio at 96k, and QUAD, and I'm sold on it, but MP3's just have= never caught my fancy. > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Jun 18 12:15:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54233 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2010 19:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2010 19:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2010 19:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2010 19:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2010 19:12:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 19:12:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.62.120.242 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Very Rare Technics SP-15 turntable available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=CfwlM0pTxqOVyYHujr3t3tSr7JmbQiKKw-F9P_4L21jk X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I am also putting up my technics sp-15 turntable... This is a very very rare technics sp-15 reference quality turntable. when t= hese on rare occasion pop up on ebay it is not uncommon for them to sell fo= r $800-$1000. this turntable plays 78, 33, and 45 rpm records. it uses a qu= artz crystal speed controller and is direct drive with a completely indepen= dent "S" tonearm. I will pack and ship this item. but i will only accept paypal for shipping = and all fee's and shipping are to be covered by buyer. See pictures of turntable below. item is sold as-is and can not be returned= . this is in very good shape and does work as it is suppose to. as with all equipment this age some minor adjustments may need to be made, = so make sure you have experience with maintaining turntables before buying. more detailed pic's can be taken and emailed to serious buyers. call 205-331-4528 pic's and CL posting are here... http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/ele/1789114453.html price is not negotiable on this either. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jun 18 15:22:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42248 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2010 22:22:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2010 22:22:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2010 22:22:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.217] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100618172155102583500010.0) with SMTP id <20100618172155102583500010> for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:21:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005201cb0f35$2f50d120$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <766979.95896.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Source-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:25:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:21:55 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bwKx7iMUvwit4bu1srRlMPTQz1vVMb4lp1GR2XfnGMCbq4rpX4Eh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The sad reality is, unfortunately, that a lot of these stations would be dark if it weren't for the relaxed ownership rules. The very thing you're proposing- "new entrants," was the driving force behind the old FCC docket 80-90. This allowed numerous new FM stations to take to the air, and many of them were quite creative in the beginning. Unfortunately there wasn't a coinciding increase in ad revenue. The law of unintended consequences is a bitch, and the result was they couldn't maintain their creative posture, plus a lot of smaller AMs started failing and even some small FMs did too. The idea of duopolies, which previously had been verboten, suddenly gained traction as a way to keep these stations on the air. I agree that eight stations is too much, even in the largest markets, but I can only express that as a sense of something amiss, not something empirically verifiable. The cost of hiring people due to things like minimum wage laws and health care makes me think it'll be impossible to turn back the hands of the clock. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report From the late 80s in Oz it became possible for any radio owner to run two stations instead of one (with restrictions if they also owned newspapers or TV in the same market). I believe in the USA it's possible to own eight radio stations in one market!!! A stupid Aussie would have to ask ... WHY??? (Surely in a democracy there would be others willing to provide an "alternative service".) Those of us here on this list actually love and embrace radio but there are no votes in it. All we can do is try and lobby for the right things ... so let's get on with it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Jun 19 03:58:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93988 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2010 10:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2010 10:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.149) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2010 10:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100619105353.CAXT12312.nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:53:53 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100619105351.ULZT12522.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:53:51 +0000 To: References: <766979.95896.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005201cb0f35$2f50d120$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 20:53:46 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: <005201cb0f35$2f50d120$d503fea9@stodd> Thread-Index: AcsPNLPVjRyayO2kQ2i/4LLD0jGATwAX1usg X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090204.4C1CA1C1.014A,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: ohk1ENT9TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU6nyN7M7hND21TdcNxqPO2IqZq/0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Scott I understand what you're saying. In Oz, I think we have one of the most successfully robust radio industries in the world. It's already a shame that there are too few owners, but what we have seems to work at least financially well. Prior to commercial FM (1980) the largest capital cities had 6 major commercial AM stations ... all independently owned and approved by the government regulator as being "fit to broadcast". They were all doing very nicely in this protected setup. The successful AM stations were refused entry to the original FM market. So momentarily we did get many new owners, probably the most we've ever had. Then in the early 90s our Labor government (read Democrat) ditched all principles and held a free for all auction allowing two AM stations in each major city to "upgrade" to the FM band. There were amazing offers of money from the previously successful AM stations to get to the FM band. In Melbourne, 3AK and 3KZ (owned by a branch of the Labor Party) won the auction. When the time came to pay the money 3AK simply didn't have it, so the regulator allowed 3DB to switch to FM for about half the cost that 3AK had offered. So both 3KZ and 3DB went "upstairs" to the FM band. 3KZ paid far too much money (the most of any silly AM station in Australia) and went broke overnight. 3DB (previously Melbourne's historic most popular rating station) also went broke paying less than half as much. I could say CAPITALISM GONE MAD ... which it was. But our Labor government of the time had floated the dollar, and also allowed foreign ownership of our media to apparently make it more competitive. So ... guess what??? Within a couple of years both "The Brighter 3KZ" and "Rhythm of the City 3DB" were owned by The Evil Empire - Clear Channel ... as Gold-FM and MIX-FM. What a debarticle!!! In Melbourne today we have no more owners of commercial radio stations than we did in 1975 when 3MP was licensed. But we do have heaps of more stations. I suppose that's a good thing. We also have plenty of community radio stations that do a wonderful job at filling in some gaps. We also have some militant new entrants wanting to run LPON (narrowcast) stations which I don't completely understand. And then there's our marvellous ABC. It runs five national radio networks (as well as Radio Australia) plus usually a local station in each major city or town. The ABC station is not usually the top rating station, but they rate so well and tend to keep the other commercial stations honest. Just writing this has made me realise that successive Labor governments have actually caused perhaps too much capitalistic profiteering to our commercial radio market. The foreign ownership would never happen in America. I don't like it. But maybe, given the strength of the industry, they were right. Ian Melbourne From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 8:22 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The North American AMS Report The sad reality is, unfortunately, that a lot of these stations would be dark if it weren't for the relaxed ownership rules. The very thing you're proposing- "new entrants," was the driving force behind the old FCC docket 80-90. This allowed numerous new FM stations to take to the air, and many of them were quite creative in the beginning. Unfortunately there wasn't a coinciding increase in ad revenue. The law of unintended consequences is a bitch, and the result was they couldn't maintain their creative posture, plus a lot of smaller AMs started failing and even some small FMs did too. The idea of duopolies, which previously had been verboten, suddenly gained traction as a way to keep these stations on the air. I agree that eight stations is too much, even in the largest markets, but I can only express that as a sense of something amiss, not something empirically verifiable. The cost of hiring people due to things like minimum wage laws and health care makes me think it'll be impossible to turn back the hands of the clock. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Jun 19 04:36:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4189 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2010 11:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2010 11:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.137) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2010 11:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100619113619.WVZV1369.nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:36:19 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100619113618.XWRY2192.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:36:18 +0000 To: References: <615375.27201.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0D118F23988C497E92575F0F63103000@seagull> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:36:18 +1000 Message-ID: <3BD72990BD4D4E0BA1B77C8C67F2F329@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcsNTGCgwDJ49UNGRnyjJno4q/Q7XwCUhFvQ X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090202.4C1CABB3.01CA,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: oxE2F9X+TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU6nyN7M7hND21TdcNxuPPWcqYqX0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC - The Carousel Waltz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dick W. > Although I've heard of Carousel, I don't recall ever watching > or hearing it. I'll make a point to check it out! > Dick W. Hi Dick You are a remarkably nice guy from Florida! Occasionally my "bits and pieces" in my head go overboard ... and I post things which I shouldn't at least to this list. It was wrong. It should have at least been labelled "off topic". But ... if my post encourages you to purchase a CD of the film version of "Carousel" I'm sure you'll be happy with it. The LP overture (The Carousel Waltz) goes for 7 minutes 12 seconds. It IS a classic. Rogers and Hammerstein at their best. These two guys did more for American Theatre than anyone else. It's a shame that a lot of it is wasted. I'm determined to promote them as they should be promoted. To ALL the people on this list ... there haven't been nearly as many popular Broadway shows since poor old Oscar Hammerstein died before "The Sound of Music" eventuated. Think about it. Ian Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:20 AM Subject: {AMSF} The Carousel Waltz How many of you here remember Rogers and Hammerstein's spectacular overture to their Broadway success "Carousel" in 1945? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 21 15:29:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94090 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2010 22:29:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2010 22:29:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2010 22:29:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2010 22:29:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2010 22:29:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:29:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.131 From: "Jota" Subject: Just a coincidence? ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Y_VRfhGKSZOD4BcYzk7ndvqXn5ADahpkc4imEJFwW-xUiCnARg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if it is just a coincidence or there is some cryptic math here: Everybody knows the equation: RF VOLTAGE =3D SQRT(ANTENA OHMS X RF WATTS) Nothing knew. But, if you divide by 10 the result, you'll get a value very close to the r= adius of the useful (not daylight noise) coverage area, expressed in kilome= ters. I'm talking about MW stations, of course. Some samples: 1,000 Watts =3D around 22,4 kms (around 14 miles) 5,000 Watts =3D around 50 kms (around 31 miles) 10,000 Watts =3D around 70 kms (around 44 miles) 50,000 Watts =3D around 158 kms (around 98 miles) And so and on. Of course, it is just rounded values and I don't think there is some math e= xact equation to know it (or there is some and I don't know it?) The good thing is to know if it is true that the C-Quam stations get a litt= le more distance than the standard mono stations with the same power. ??? Just a curiosity. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 21 16:37:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52426 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2010 23:37:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2010 23:37:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2010 23:37:13 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o5LNb00p015913 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:37:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d8c.d7990d0 (37180) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:36:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m20.mail.aol.com (magic-m20.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.193]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA053-913c4c1ff7923b9; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:36:50 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:36:50 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.193 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just a coincidence? ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=yKqhVumHXdWbukEoI_Csyv5bO_h4pm-Nd7EDzu96juSU-5jfKfZlGQL0_XYBfrp4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The effective (daytime) coverage radius of MW stations varies greatly with band position, average ground conductivity over the signal path, and antenna. I suspect a 5kW station on 540 khz with a Franklin planted in a central Iowa cornfield has a far greater groundwave contour than even a 50kW station on 1,600 khz with a 1/4 wave stick atop bare rock in the middle of the Mojave desert. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jun 22 10:15:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11113 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2010 17:15:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2010 17:15:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2010 17:15:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2010 17:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2010 17:12:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:12:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.37 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just a coincidence? ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=0qjmpNy_AoA6WGgHlID7sk9WxJKzIi5fxJaYti7ezSxT4tRIcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Yeah!!! Of course, you're right. I just wonder if there would be some way to have some theorical "reference"= related to the station power. Some idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > The effective (daytime) coverage radius of MW stations varies greatly wit= h=20 > band position, average ground conductivity over the signal path, and=20 > antenna. I suspect a 5kW station on 540 khz with a Franklin planted in a= central=20 > Iowa cornfield has a far greater groundwave contour than even a 50kW stat= ion=20 > on 1,600 khz with a 1/4 wave stick atop bare rock in the middle of the=20 > Mojave desert. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jun 22 11:51:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32462 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2010 18:51:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2010 18:51:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2010 18:51:53 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o5MIpFLV005649 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:51:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.deb.c118059 (44221) for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:51:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m23.mail.aol.com (magic-m23.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.196]) by cia-dd07.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD077-acbd4c21061e22a; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:51:10 -0400 Message-ID: <575d4.3e4df66.3952601e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:51:10 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.196 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just a coincidence? ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VYulZECiVrqQ3XsHo4RH2W8LYxcTAR8xi0iHc7VqrTga2Fp1mvOXZMvjqBpqBFMS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/22/2010 12:16:05 PM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > I just wonder if there would be some way to have some theorical > "reference" related to the station power. > Yes. The FCC has a map of average ground conductivity for the United States and publishes expected field intensity charts for groundwave propagation based on frequency, average ground conductivity over the signal path, and field intensity at 1 mile (maybe now in km?). Aside from a station's own contour, I don't know that anyone has done a study as to the accuracy of those charts. We've got some CEs here. Maybe they can shed some light on the subject. I do know the published data is used for new license applications where there is no actual data. There may be consultants who have every station in every region programmed into a database so they could tell you what frequencies are open, how much power they could have, and the directional antenna pattern required. Basically, you want 500kW or more into a full height Franklin vertical on 540 khz situated on a small island surrounded by saltwater with co- and adjacent channel frequency protection extending to edges of the Milky Way galaxy. That will give you a robust groundwave contour, which you will need given the average population density in the middle of the Pacific Ocean isn't a whole lot. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Fri Jun 25 02:14:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7260 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2010 09:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2010 09:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2010 09:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2010 09:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2010 09:14:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:14:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.162.91.119 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: New AM Stereo Tuner is Available! 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Visit here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D160447212170 Sincerely, meduci, LLC Jeff Deck http://meduci.com From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Jul 05 02:46:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23199 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2010 09:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2010 09:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2010 09:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2010 09:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2010 09:45:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 09:45:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.3.212 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=PPf_FWohNcVq0wKKne_EwWjw3rpHKy3AK86hvEDGUEuggvdwzEpA X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 This compact converter board uses the third generation Motorola=20 MC13028-based design to provide economical C-QuAM stereo decoding (where available) from your host donor AM tuner or receiver. PC=20 board measures 1.5" by 1.5" to easily fit inside most receivers.=20 On-board voltage regulator is included. Left and right line-level=20 audio outputs, +12-volt D.C supply input, stereo pilot indicator=20 output (for connection to existing LED stereo indicator), chassis ground, and I.F input connections are clearly marked. ... Each is assembled, tested, and new. Full details are here: http://meduci.com=20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC Jeff Deck From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Jul 05 07:32:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33839 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2010 14:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2010 14:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2010 14:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2010 14:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2010 14:30:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:30:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.18.96.224 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=QDHU_bdGwwOPSiJU6XjfTqfdQMHiIMWalMcWU_Z4TBDd X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd exciter is still available. jotape1960 seems to have disappeared. i now have pic's posted along with some other interesting stuff here... http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=3D371&subAreaID=3D&query=3D= t-town%2C+al+35405&catAbb=3Dsss i can also take more pic's and email them to serious buyers. again for faster reply contact offlist --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual >=20 > $600.00 plus shipping and paypal fee's >=20 > pic's available. >=20 > contact off list at kc8gpd at hot mail dot com > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jul 05 13:42:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52206 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2010 20:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2010 20:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2010 20:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2010 20:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2010 20:42:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:42:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.85 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TQc2SbT5izZR5BHHjEcQlWRT3l9NSK23zhlvyHt1VXh_uCudZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 What? ??? I'm still alive!!! hahahaha!!! I told you: you have to wait around one month, because my local goverment s= aid they will put the money on our hands around the last week of July. They= are politicians. You know they often are so quick to earn taxes but they a= re sooooooo sloooooooooow to pay. Please: PATIENCEEEEEEEEE!!! Whatever, if you need the money so fast, please sold it to a better buyer. = I don't have problem for that. But if you can wait, please...=20 GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > exciter is still available. jotape1960 seems to have disappeared. >=20 > i now have pic's posted along with some other interesting stuff here... > http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=3D371&subAreaID=3D&query= =3Dt-town%2C+al+35405&catAbb=3Dsss >=20 > i can also take more pic's and email them to serious buyers. >=20 > again for faster reply contact offlist >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > > > I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual > >=20 > > $600.00 plus shipping and paypal fee's > >=20 > > pic's available. > >=20 > > contact off list at kc8gpd at hot mail dot com > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jul 05 16:23:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39263 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2010 23:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2010 23:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2010 23:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.175] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100705182231102013600011.0) with SMTP id <20100705182231102013600011> for ; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:22:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <000f01cb1c99$915609a0$6600000a@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 18:26:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:22:31 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=S0zzf-_88AkwlCm0Xi4FkrLl7-V_-Xl9cgHnGOQbjVUm0bkVku3P X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Next question could be does anyone know of a decent AM/FM portable of any sort that would be worth converting? My broken down old 30 year old JVC is in dire need of replacement. Would love to add one of these boards to whatever I get. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 4:46 AM Subject: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! This compact converter board uses the third generation Motorola MC13028-based design to provide economical C-QuAM stereo decoding (where available) from your host donor AM tuner or receiver. PC board measures 1.5" by 1.5" to easily fit inside most receivers. On-board voltage regulator is included. Left and right line-level audio outputs, +12-volt D.C supply input, stereo pilot indicator output (for connection to existing LED stereo indicator), chassis ground, and I.F input connections are clearly marked. ... Each is assembled, tested, and new. Full details are here: http://meduci.com Sincerely, meduci, LLC Jeff Deck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From awhichello@ieee.org Tue Jul 06 02:21:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: whichello@velocitynet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98948 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2010 09:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2010 09:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO m0.velocity.net.au) (203.17.154.50) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2010 09:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (152.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au [122.49.202.152]) by m0.velocity.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DC060584 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2010 19:21:03 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4C32F56E.7030201@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:20:46 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1278403841.1188.33212.m2@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1278403841.1188.33212.m2@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.17.154.50 X-eGroups-From: apw From: apw Reply-To: awhichello@ieee.org Subject: Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=htCq4YfqNLkkcaoJiuSooNbBej42ss9P6F7pvQ09V66IWg X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 > > Next question could be does anyone know of a decent AM/FM portable > of any sort that would be worth converting? My broken down old 30 > year old JVC is in dire need of replacement. Would love to add one > of these boards to whatever I get. > > Scott Todd > > I converted a Redsun RP2100 to AM stereo quite easily with one of these boards. The RP2100 comes with an IF out socket (455kHz). Very nice performer. I gather CCrane sells the same radio, re-badged, in the states. -- Dr A.P. Whichello Telecommunications Infrastructure Engineer Critical Infrastructure Project Geoscience Australia "I wish to God these calculations had been executed by Steam!" C.Babbage From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 06 12:45:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63073 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2010 19:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2010 19:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2010 19:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2010 19:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2010 19:45:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:45:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=weLI0HOFnWbzTLeqzyo23VsrqmwqX-Xlq0er7G6nMaWNpt1TOXTFk-c X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jeff, on the PRO1k tuner, I see that it is CQuam stereo, but is there a 'st= ereo' pilot indicator? 73's John From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jul 06 14:42:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59341 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2010 21:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2010 21:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2010 21:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100706164129101131200011.0) with SMTP id <20100706164129101131200011> for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:41:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006201cb1d54$9e80f160$6600000a@home1> To: References: <1278403841.1188.33212.m2@yahoogroups.com> <4C32F56E.7030201@velocitynet.com.au> X-Source-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 16:45:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:41:29 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=p31yTXmgMQrlbB71YnAB-5Q-3u7rTXw_siNJR4Bjod2beMKZH2nS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like a great radio for a pretty good price. Only wish I wouldn't have to use headphones to enjoy the stereo, though. I was thinking more along the lines of a boom box. I may give this serious consideration anyway. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: apw To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:21 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! > > Next question could be does anyone know of a decent AM/FM portable > of any sort that would be worth converting? My broken down old 30 > year old JVC is in dire need of replacement. Would love to add one > of these boards to whatever I get. > > Scott Todd > > I converted a Redsun RP2100 to AM stereo quite easily with one of these boards. The RP2100 comes with an IF out socket (455kHz). Very nice performer. I gather CCrane sells the same radio, re-badged, in the states. -- Dr A.P. Whichello Telecommunications Infrastructure Engineer Critical Infrastructure Project Geoscience Australia "I wish to God these calculations had been executed by Steam!" C.Babbage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Wed Jul 07 02:13:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58685 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2010 09:13:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2010 09:13:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2010 09:13:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2010 09:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2010 09:10:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:10:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.3.212 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=ukNa1R4DsIP6AmNZ25C8ona8THsRLIKFVkR7lpIRz_u8MRAS-EAY X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Good morning John, You write: >Jeff, on the PRO1k tuner, I see that it is CQuam stereo, but is=20 >there a 'stereo' pilot indicator? >73's >John AM stereo pilot indicator is integrated with the bright green=20 LED digital frequency display. Also, there is 8:1 reduction drive shaft to provide better tuning accuracy. What is a reduction drive? It is a mechanical device where the plates of the capacitor turn at a slower rate than the attached knob. With this assembly, it takes about four rotations of the knob to turn the variable=20 tuning capacitor from maximum to mininimum capacitance. A very=20 small change in capacitance is easier to tune and to achieve.=20=20 =20=20=20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC Jeff Deck From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 07 05:34:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60795 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2010 12:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2010 12:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2010 12:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2010 12:34:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2010 12:34:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:34:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006201cb1d54$9e80f160$6600000a@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_5Rn9hy_jlsj0gdFYlAVWh6ppRxHoG9FM5jyWJNBq5_CgnHNa2gDXsI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'd use an old boombox with a cassette deck and use a "cassette to miniplug= adapter" to take the output of the tuner and rob 12Volts from the boombox = powersupply, then bolt the tuner right on top of the boombox itself? J --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Looks like a great radio for a pretty good price. Only wish I wouldn't h= ave to use headphones to enjoy the stereo, though. I was thinking more alo= ng the lines of a boom box. I may give this serious consideration anyway. >=20 > Scott From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jul 07 10:50:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60007 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2010 17:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2010 17:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2010 17:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2010 17:47:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2010 17:47:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:47:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.74 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=NGO6afs9G6TL7uPhYGNA9OKg80zXstR5k7-rzU-3J0RPC9gOsg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I have two receivers, a Pioneer QX-949A and a Sony STR-212AS. Both absolute= ly analog, of course. I think it would be so easy to use your converter with those devices. The only one question is about the voltage your device needs. The pioneer h= as 15 and 24 VDC available from the power supply. The Sony only has 12 VDC.= Is it OK to your device? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Jeff, on the PRO1k tuner, I see that it is CQuam stereo, but is there a '= stereo' pilot indicator? > 73's > John > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Jul 07 12:56:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74281 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2010 19:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2010 19:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f172.google.com) (209.85.212.172) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2010 19:55:58 -0000 X-Received: by pxi20 with SMTP id 20so11413pxi.31 for ; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.109.8 with SMTP id h8mr8152977wac.208.1278532557947; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway ([70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s5sm104990866wak.12.2010.07.07.12.55.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19BD7830A0BA4530A43813E78980CDE5@mygateway> To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 12:55:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7432 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.172 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=iQycjB4xeiHBpPgr3llhjoAP6M985vt1ImVbciMPSrlWrb8gO15- X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how would you do that when its just a pc board. matther fact where do you mount the second pc board with the decoder on it? ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:34 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! I'd use an old boombox with a cassette deck and use a "cassette to miniplug adapter" to take the output of the tuner and rob 12Volts from the boombox powersupply, then bolt the tuner right on top of the boombox itself? J --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Looks like a great radio for a pretty good price. Only wish I wouldn't have to use headphones to enjoy the stereo, though. I was thinking more along the lines of a boom box. I may give this serious consideration anyway. > > Scott __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5260 (20100707) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5260 (20100707) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 07:45:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60966 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 14:25:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 14:25:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 14:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2010 14:24:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2010 14:24:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:24:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.120 From: "Jota" Subject: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9d6YsqV6vYUaAMwbTOwkuc2ffcCRySk83WhYKOp8kfF1KgQUXg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I know almost all the SW bands are empty, today. But if we could (just in case) to revive it... I want to know if somebody t= ested (in the past) C-QUAM AM Stereo, in some SW bands, thinking in the loc= al service only (less than 50 kms or 48 miles around the TX). I guess the system isn't the best to the long distance (DX) service, but ma= ybe it is enough to the local area. Some idea? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jul 08 08:12:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80777 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 14:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 14:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f47.google.com) (74.125.83.47) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 14:53:39 -0000 X-Received: by gwj22 with SMTP id 22so579214gwj.34 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:53:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.136.19 with SMTP id j19mr9878134and.44.1278600797823; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i25sm79566491anh.17.2010.07.08.07.53.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 10:52:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.47 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=tFU1fpcocB2mWOWWh8HyD26qzi9WnpxmfqDqXRiWz_wP2KOEFJUZnCZDFpGRMg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/8/2010 10:24 AM, Jota wrote: > I want to know if somebody tested (in the past) C-QUAM AM Stereo, KUSW In Salt Lake City did it with 50,000 Watts and was an Iinternational Service. > thinking in the local service only (less than 50 kms or 48 miles around the TX). > Domestic Service on Short Wave is illegal in the United States. All Short Wave stations must be an International Service. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 10:57:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61555 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 17:57:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 17:57:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 17:57:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2010 17:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2010 17:56:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:56:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19BD7830A0BA4530A43813E78980CDE5@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TiLwl_EFY_Wps8C8oB34bdsVJVZFlS2XI2qyuHklS07v8Vpk8JYdE20 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hank, I was thinking more about adding the whole tuner to an existing boombox for= it's audio amp and power. I'll bet you're thinking about the board only - which is small enough to pu= t in probably anything larger than a portable. Worst case, if you have an old 'double cassette' boombox, you could easily = fit the board inside the playback only cassette door, in my opinion. Jeff, how much input voltage can the board take? I don't recall, does it ha= ve an on-board voltage regulator, or would I have to add an outboard VR uni= t with a heatsink to dump 15VDC into the decoder? 73's John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > how would you do that when its just a pc board. > matther fact where do you mount the second pc board with the decoder on i= t? From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 08 11:47:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73672 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 18:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 18:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 18:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o68IlAtH004661 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:47:10 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e26.c1b107f (37082) for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:47:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m20.mail.aol.com (magic-m20.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.193]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB064-90da4c361d2b10d; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:47:08 -0400 Message-ID: <43a4a.48db1d4.3967772b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:47:07 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 63.3.10.1 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.193 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=e4lw1hXhQWmIIzbeGsCbEpvhUTWJtA13gmzUGM97MzYVToQnHgshjsLslEnJu2SH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I am working on converting a general coverage communications reciever to CQUAM to use on the 160m ham phone band. Of course, it would work for any band the receiver could tune. That is is the only way I know of to do on-air testing of my 1kW CQUAM transmitter. The problem I see with CQUAM on the SW bands is variation in propagation path which causes platform shift. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jul 08 14:06:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54765 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 21:05:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 21:05:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f44.google.com) (209.85.215.44) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 21:05:59 -0000 X-Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so298236ewy.3 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:05:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.213.15.206 with SMTP id l14mr6427845eba.56.1278623158035; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a48sm826718eei.19.2010.07.08.14.05.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7602DA2026914AB88AB3CE81800BCE4D@mygateway> To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:05:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7438 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=vxL2G0SN1xlPCy03XnM8RZgzytKzvwbe5QhaoY_l3cK_W8wiTS88 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what wattage would be required? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:24 AM Subject: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands =20=20=20=20 Hi Gang!!! I know almost all the SW bands are empty, today. But if we could (just in case) to revive it... I want to know if somebody= tested (in the past) C-QUAM AM Stereo, in some SW bands, thinking in the l= ocal service only (less than 50 kms or 48 miles around the TX). I guess the system isn't the best to the long distance (DX) service, but = maybe it is enough to the local area. Some idea? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. =20=20 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jul 08 14:07:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40142 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 21:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 21:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f46.google.com) (209.85.215.46) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 21:07:31 -0000 X-Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so305282ewy.19 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:07:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.213.28.72 with SMTP id l8mr7469300ebc.88.1278623249041; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a48sm897900eei.1.2010.07.08.14.07.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:07:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7438 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=WMgFGFTsEagGE_jBKcFi7ntteb_lEC3KXN3q1woDscv_YwcZCe_D X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit then can we test on any bands currently? i wish sw wasn't elegal in us ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:52 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands On 7/8/2010 10:24 AM, Jota wrote: > I want to know if somebody tested (in the past) C-QUAM AM Stereo, KUSW In Salt Lake City did it with 50,000 Watts and was an Iinternational Service. > thinking in the local service only (less than 50 kms or 48 miles around the TX). > Domestic Service on Short Wave is illegal in the United States. All Short Wave stations must be an International Service. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jul 08 14:21:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9661 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 21:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 21:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f44.google.com) (209.85.215.44) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 21:21:16 -0000 X-Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so301625ewy.3 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:20:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.213.31.70 with SMTP id x6mr6951008ebc.51.1278624026010; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a48sm932037eei.19.2010.07.08.14.20.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:20:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7438 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.44 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=nF14gdklL5nY_LE1d3c4u8JDQisgpMcz1AecVZRJiPmTopy9rSlJ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would you remove the casette deck part? I am confused on how it would all fit togeather with out removing something. ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:56 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! Hank, I was thinking more about adding the whole tuner to an existing boombox for it's audio amp and power. I'll bet you're thinking about the board only - which is small enough to put in probably anything larger than a portable. Worst case, if you have an old 'double cassette' boombox, you could easily fit the board inside the playback only cassette door, in my opinion. Jeff, how much input voltage can the board take? I don't recall, does it have an on-board voltage regulator, or would I have to add an outboard VR unit with a heatsink to dump 15VDC into the decoder? 73's John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > how would you do that when its just a pc board. > matther fact where do you mount the second pc board with the decoder on it? __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 14:43:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5453 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 21:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 21:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.84) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 21:43:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 866 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2010 21:43:06 -0000 Message-ID: <44551.126.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WsHcqTEVM1k3T30jlus8e.BdpA1M0BdrQCxeyXWMejbOfjO almjYbKyeVX42pU5gjIVJm7wviJizzUg8SozsoPFgeJqG4VfnZLB5zLONZhD EY1OosrQYixCifVcJRKqKWiui5tRVACpyX.rMSEC0ss3i928w5YEKa8EX_SZ Ukn6ru_buJs344Pn_nUt5jaIYJ6NYjBK8VaBR6E_u8jK82.BzucswzZll8uC BrJhWGDMGFfXh34NCbXqUn3WkgHyVH5MkuJ.ITPBDrUdDQVq81U5c0k63G77 Qe.qatKirWPmWY3mAkpF3Ch3uEpzNGY5TO_OB9vOM80xPzsG2rvdos8jalRg BXxs0Wn9P80maFChDmWJB X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:43:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/420.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.274457 References: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:43:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.84 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9ZjOYu75yYsko4Coa4kIYQ7SU-HulcqvtWyXZA0aZNY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NO we can NOT test on any bands currently. SW is not illegal, it's just not legal for domestic content. 50,000 watts minimum power and you must be broadcasting to an international market. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 5:07:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands then can we test on any bands currently? i wish sw wasn't elegal in us ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:52 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands On 7/8/2010 10:24 AM, Jota wrote: > I want to know if somebody tested (in the past) C-QUAM AM Stereo, KUSW In Salt Lake City did it with 50,000 Watts and was an Iinternational Service. > thinking in the local service only (less than 50 kms or 48 miles around the TX). > Domestic Service on Short Wave is illegal in the United States. All Short Wave stations must be an International Service. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jul 08 14:43:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71514 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 21:43:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 21:43:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f181.google.com) (209.85.161.181) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 21:43:53 -0000 X-Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so827247gxk.26 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:43:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.73.4 with SMTP id v4mr957601yba.117.1278625413808; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q31sm179500ybk.13.2010.07.08.14.43.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C364667.7090009@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:43:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.181 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=-eZMUCnWaxOP_GEH4Gp-ghp4H9NmyiIO2kGOhYOu4L3YKE9Xy-1tnknPNk9pKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/8/2010 5:07 PM, hank smith wrote: > then can we test on any bands currently? > Ham Radio operators use C-QUAM on 160 & 75 Meters. > i wish sw wasn't elegal in us > It isn't. Just Domestic Service Broadcasting is. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jul 08 14:49:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43332 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 21:48:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 21:48:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.161.173) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 21:48:58 -0000 X-Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so827069gxk.4 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.134.13 with SMTP id l13mr10368103ann.118.1278625737499; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9sm1626201anf.6.2010.07.08.14.48.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C3647AA.9080601@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:48:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> <44551.126.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <44551.126.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=1W6L6ICyLncL-VTRO6qN7tMApZAz_N6e3KNJfPF3ynzmdy4RfASas7uNwx6M4g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/8/2010 5:43 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > NO we can NOT test on any bands currently. A Licensed Facility can! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jul 08 14:55:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64796 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 21:55:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 21:55:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f179.google.com) (209.85.214.179) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 21:55:55 -0000 X-Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so1586268iwn.24 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:55:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.178.103 with SMTP id bl39mr8043832ibb.138.1278626154660; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h8sm632636ibk.21.2010.07.08.14.55.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6B47A7A4EA3546C4A0721A7AE2A053A8@mygateway> To: References: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> <4C364667.7090009@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:55:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7438 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.179 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Y8ZuCKuSJJ0kcvJcQX0bO5oDJ2aEqaflfRaYj7AfUzFhJtPgw6Kl X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is on the 2600 mhz spectrem? anything interesting up there? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands On 7/8/2010 5:07 PM, hank smith wrote: > then can we test on any bands currently? > Ham Radio operators use C-QUAM on 160 & 75 Meters. > i wish sw wasn't elegal in us > It isn't. Just Domestic Service Broadcasting is. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 15:01:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87990 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 22:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 22:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.86) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 22:00:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73153 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2010 22:00:58 -0000 Message-ID: <634648.73112.qm@web112008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FIsIwI0VM1nrAtpKRhdEPL__0ssm0rHbSMJ_tJDhWtOqoSI vKqAhSOzRf89AV3i8H7WG3Sx9jN9LTNijbF49im6q.xp6jqIJCvgbixwn1ck Xvd.qRzyGCunSeL7ZoR7hNCkrBXRChN2H4cIk0eQqP7mdYxLIFbFeViaim_L WuI4E8yw_vosRfBjl5lnSvv5UtVh8ctYf6h8Ajw6uyLnNPmNB7tDAd.cjGEz 7XVld9EXoO4OUEWKobGeMm6rAkWd1DZ1HzLrU905wKqurYPetcbAdRK5Nd1W u2v16vyS35H7ljEpfx5P.zs.zBvPptMq.Y5sNBmoNOQKQa_4fVosJfbjacW. xO39zarYQ2w7o.x2TZwsP X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:00:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/420.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.274457 References: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> <44551.126.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C3647AA.9080601@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:00:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4C3647AA.9080601@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ZYHT4g2WVw52dPgEuHA2GooseZzlrCckX2PoMRQs2wE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank is not a licensed facility Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 5:48:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands On 7/8/2010 5:43 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > NO we can NOT test on any bands currently. A Licensed Facility can! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jul 08 15:07:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73158 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 22:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 22:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f171.google.com) (209.85.161.171) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 22:07:57 -0000 X-Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so1005727gxk.16 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:07:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.62.30 with SMTP id p30mr1073252ybk.328.1278626876539; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q31sm204609ybk.1.2010.07.08.15.07.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C364C1D.8020105@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:07:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> <4C364667.7090009@gmail.com> <6B47A7A4EA3546C4A0721A7AE2A053A8@mygateway> In-Reply-To: <6B47A7A4EA3546C4A0721A7AE2A053A8@mygateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.171 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=zKWQwD-FvM8wFdB3UxbyPtrGC5PZbeZiIIoTG27C-VBHmEWI_uqZrYJctU3Xsg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/8/2010 5:55 PM, hank smith wrote: > what is on the 2600 mhz spectrem? anything interesting up there? > Microwave Ovens and WLAN Networks. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jul 08 15:15:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46358 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 22:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 22:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f180.google.com) (209.85.214.180) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 22:14:57 -0000 X-Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so1804969iwn.39 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:14:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.161.68 with SMTP id q4mr9033743ibx.79.1278627294288; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n20sm724180ibe.11.2010.07.08.15.14.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <782666E424914891852AA2EAA4286EE3@mygateway> To: References: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> <4C364667.7090009@gmail.com> <6B47A7A4EA3546C4A0721A7AE2A053A8@mygateway> <4C364C1D.8020105@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:14:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7438 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.180 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=DZcnXPtBSeOukw0NDpl9kOBDLC9EZN-mpG3tUzrhnUBak-NQaHob X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thaught those were 2.4 ghz? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands On 7/8/2010 5:55 PM, hank smith wrote: > what is on the 2600 mhz spectrem? anything interesting up there? > Microwave Ovens and WLAN Networks. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jul 08 15:31:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96527 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2010 22:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2010 22:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2010 22:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100708173143103207100010.0) with SMTP id <20100708173143103207100010> for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:31:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007701cb1eed$fb701460$6600000a@home1> To: References: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> <4C364667.7090009@gmail.com> <6B47A7A4EA3546C4A0721A7AE2A053A8@mygateway> <4C364C1D.8020105@gmail.com> <782666E424914891852AA2EAA4286EE3@mygateway> X-Source-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:36:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:31:43 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=qsrf_9uWpO9bz1zRjfbBtjArjVoBjmPoPEn_ZrlrbkJTJ_rtt1bO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Same thing as 2400MHz. OTOH if you were thinking 2400KHz that's primarily a tropical broadcasting band. Most of the stations beam their signals straight up to the ionosphere to cover a small region. Scott Todd Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands I thaught those were 2.4 ghz? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands On 7/8/2010 5:55 PM, hank smith wrote: > what is on the 2600 mhz spectrem? anything interesting up there? > Microwave Ovens and WLAN Networks. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jul 08 17:10:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9248 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2010 00:10:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2010 00:10:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f180.google.com) (209.85.214.180) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2010 00:10:32 -0000 X-Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so1403722iwn.25 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.36.134 with SMTP id t6mr9262527ibd.128.1278634231760; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g31sm1156512ibh.22.2010.07.08.17.10.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> <4C364667.7090009@gmail.com> <6B47A7A4EA3546C4A0721A7AE2A053A8@mygateway> <4C364C1D.8020105@gmail.com> <782666E424914891852AA2EAA4286EE3@mygateway> <007701cb1eed$fb701460$6600000a@home1> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:10:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7438 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.180 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=2Mm9X8R2Ji_aC9fDsogTh7sPqrbRhrzLL3Pdez3nF4F0r5BekI6B X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I am getting my frequencies confused I thaught there was some testing going on in 26 mhz or khz I don't remimber witch with drm and other stuff? am I incorrect on this? its been a while so I could be totally way off on this. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:31 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands Same thing as 2400MHz. OTOH if you were thinking 2400KHz that's primarily a tropical broadcasting band. Most of the stations beam their signals straight up to the ionosphere to cover a small region. Scott Todd Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands I thaught those were 2.4 ghz? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands On 7/8/2010 5:55 PM, hank smith wrote: > what is on the 2600 mhz spectrem? anything interesting up there? > Microwave Ovens and WLAN Networks. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jul 08 18:00:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30940 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2010 01:00:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2010 01:00:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f180.google.com) (209.85.161.180) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2010 01:00:12 -0000 X-Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22so1161622gxk.39 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.166.13 with SMTP id o13mr10967372ane.33.1278637212039; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d1sm3382317anc.39.2010.07.08.18.00.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C36747C.4030607@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:59:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4C35E641.6010106@gmail.com> <4C364667.7090009@gmail.com> <6B47A7A4EA3546C4A0721A7AE2A053A8@mygateway> <4C364C1D.8020105@gmail.com> <782666E424914891852AA2EAA4286EE3@mygateway> In-Reply-To: <782666E424914891852AA2EAA4286EE3@mygateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=rBZoXaeiamFB8B-H3gxQyrEO_Ar4_S1Q1UJO0_Yk7ijA7tFkSL5lAdmnWvoBTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/8/2010 6:14 PM, hank smith wrote: > I thaught those were 2.4 ghz? > 2.4 GHz is the same as 2400 MHz. 2600 MHz has Microwaves and other WLAN equipment, such as WiMax. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Thu Jul 08 21:12:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87175 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2010 04:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2010 04:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2010 04:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2010 04:10:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2010 04:10:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:10:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.3.212 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=bo0mOgL5ZvxsCunb994ITOw8r0Onr3IdJnoMEC-1zJesVNnQ9VjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Juan, You write: >I have two receivers, a Pioneer QX-949A and a Sony STR-212AS.=20 >Both absolutely analog, of course. > I think it would be so easy to use your converter with those >devices. > >The only one question is about the voltage your device needs.=20 >The pioneer has 15 and 24 VDC available from the power supply.=20 >The Sony only has 12 VDC. Is it OK to your device? There is an on-board +8-volt regulator that will be happy with either 12- or 15-volt DC input (negative ground).=20=20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC Jeff Deck From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Fri Jul 09 05:13:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87427 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2010 12:13:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2010 12:13:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2010 12:13:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2010 12:12:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2010 12:12:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:12:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.3.212 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=K8EkI9g312w_FlQ_bU5nffob7JdTfGtNhw7wOrQNFPr9xPRUYOIU X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 John, You write: >Jeff, how much input voltage can the board take? I don't recall, >does it have an on-board voltage regulator, or would I have to=20 >add an outboard VR unit with a heatsink to dump 15VDC into the >decoder? There is an on-board +8-volt regulator that will be happy with either 12- or 15-volt DC input (negative ground). A voltage dropping series resistor would be needed for any larger input=20 voltage. Decoder chip itself draws 11 milli-Amps (mA) -- not=20 including the stereo LED, which is limited to 10mA maximum from the IC chip. Left and right line-level audio outputs, D.C voltage supply input, stereo pilot indicator output (for connection to existing=20 LED stereo indicator), chassis ground, and I.F input connections=20 are clearly marked on the board. ... Each is assembled, tested,=20 and new: $25.00 USD. Shipping and handling is $10 to each U.S address, regardless of how many decoders you purchase.=20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC Jeff Deck From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 09 05:56:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69552 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2010 12:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2010 12:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2010 12:56:05 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o69CtZrv024777 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:55:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dc3.d8c45e6 (43838) for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:55:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m21.mail.aol.com (magic-m21.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.194]) by cia-dc03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC033-ab3e4c371c4230b; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:55:30 -0400 Message-ID: <333e7.57e79a5b.39687642@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:55:30 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.194 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1TbNEPWoCGKbBfvTFNorBQZJT9B911ujarMPUVaowDF4M33-RPCO19chKZW_kh0e X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only way to perform higher power the air tests, unless you own an AM broadcast station, is on the 160 meter ham band assuming you have the appropriate license and use only voice. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Jul 09 07:33:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72732 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2010 14:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2010 14:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f177.google.com) (74.125.83.177) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2010 14:33:33 -0000 X-Received: by pvf33 with SMTP id 33so892018pvf.22 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:33:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.125.20 with SMTP id x20mr11445817wfc.330.1278686012400; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w8sm1103172wfd.7.2010.07.09.07.33.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <333e7.57e79a5b.39687642@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 07:33:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7442 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=zAB9hJ2tv11Z1mQx7FOQDa24x5s4VlHRSqcyecvOjNd5eZtBBlIU X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Mike I am working on getting my general ham license so once I get that this shouldn't be a problem if memory serves 160 meter band is aloud fore those who own general licenses? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:55 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands The only way to perform higher power the air tests, unless you own an AM broadcast station, is on the 160 meter ham band assuming you have the appropriate license and use only voice. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5265 (20100709) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5265 (20100709) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jul 09 08:06:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33334 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2010 15:06:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2010 15:06:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f42.google.com) (74.125.83.42) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2010 15:06:33 -0000 X-Received: by gwj19 with SMTP id 19so762027gwj.15 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.188.11 with SMTP id l11mr1814641ybf.312.1278687993317; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q1sm1039129ybk.20.2010.07.09.08.06.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C373AF6.1040202@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:06:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <333e7.57e79a5b.39687642@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=2DPDtBU04eVFknD6W5zWdoPtVc-kb2rooHGGP2nSggdnN2GdZ7xt5KGaQaiVwg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/9/2010 10:33 AM, hank smith wrote: > if memory serves 160 meter band is aloud fore those who own general licenses? > Yes, I am a General Class Ham myself. We are allowed 1500 Watts PEP on 160 Meters. That is about 375 Watts of Carrier on AM. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 09 09:35:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60072 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2010 16:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2010 16:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2010 16:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o69GXFUP030086 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:33:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d9e.d1cfb9a (37589) for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:33:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d24.mail.aol.com (magic-d24.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.158]) by cia-mb06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB062-92d54c374f44eb; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:33:09 -0400 Message-ID: <265f4.4c9f620f.3968a944@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:33:08 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.158 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=c1ZKJu_jzT2g2n22gZfEJmk8XmIqmojfGgBMmZ3ZWH94cCSToEzv7z3jxo97-7Mz X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/9/2010 10:06:42 AM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > Yes, I am a General Class Ham myself. We are allowed 1500 Watts PEP on > 160 Meters. That is about 375 Watts of Carrier on AM. > That's at 100% sinusoidal modulation. I'm not sure what the propagation characteristics are at 160 meters. I assume they're pretty much like extended band AM where the groundwave drops off pretty fast. Remember, as a ham, you're not limited to Mickey Mouse antennas like Part 15. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jul 09 09:55:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50845 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2010 16:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2010 16:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f41.google.com) (74.125.83.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2010 16:55:46 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 1so1682869gwb.0 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:55:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.173.37 with SMTP id a37mr11754274anp.70.1278694545997; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h5sm12557850anb.28.2010.07.09.09.55.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C37548E.9060609@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:55:42 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <265f4.4c9f620f.3968a944@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <265f4.4c9f620f.3968a944@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=_o_ZEttgrr5uhF0Z3Jc-bnBW2Ur9mF24Kt6ogtSvX7Xz5kdWydDLmrjT28Qtuw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/9/2010 12:33 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I assume they're pretty much like extended band AM where the > groundwave drops off pretty fast. Yes. > Remember, as a ham, you're not limited to Mickey Mouse antennas like Part 15. > I am running an Inverted V that is about 60 Feet High in the center, 15 Feet High at the Ends, and 261 Feet Long. It is being fed with Ladder Line down to the base where I have an old Surplus Broadcast ATU. I then have 1/2" Heliax going back to my Shack. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jul 10 18:17:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66029 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2010 01:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2010 01:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2010 01:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6B1HKI1012793 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:17:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c52.714a6e4a (55732) for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:17:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d26.mail.aol.com (magic-d26.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.160]) by cia-md03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD037-d9b44c391b9b361; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:17:15 -0400 Message-ID: <6ae34.7999e110.396a759b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:17:15 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FGX6q5q2CcuIQvoLkF2OSdjBYv2GqMP4o6A1NkGitQ2whxn6L0duz7YHR2DwNjAU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, I am in the process of converting a Hallicrafter SX-99 general coverage communications receiver to CQUAM. I am given to believe its 455 khz IF can be successfully aligned to 450 khz. I plan to delete the audio section, keeping the detector for AVC purposes and using the freed-up tube section for a cathode follower to buffer the last IF stage to drive an outboard CQUAM converter. I can re-arrange the filament circuit to provide the DC power required for your board. Do I need to add some protection for the IF input of your board? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sun Jul 11 05:56:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86351 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2010 12:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2010 12:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2010 12:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2010 12:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2010 12:56:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 12:56:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ae34.7999e110.396a759b@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.3.212 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: New AM Stereo Decoder Converter Board is Available! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=dGv7kXtKndXd9w_u8036C890pWqsbPgESjqLQRc901kPWm48KcHt X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Mike, You write: >I am in the process of converting a Hallicrafter SX-99 general >coverage communications receiver to CQUAM. I am given to believe >its 455 khz IF can be successfully aligned to 450 khz. I plan=20 >to delete the audio section, keeping the detector for AVC=20 >purposes and using the freed-up tube section for a cathode=20 >follower to buffer the last IF stage to drive an outboard CQUAM >converter. I can re-arrange the filament circuit to provide the DC >power required for your board. Do I need to add some protection >for the IF input of your board? If you plan to make use of the receiver's tube filament circuit=20 (I assume 6-volts AC), it needs to be well filtered after DC bridge rectification, and the decoder board's 8-volt regulator will need=20 to be removed.=20=20 Our AM stereo decoder board has been successfully used with both 450- and 455-kHz I.F input at 120-mV p-p maximum I.F input.=20=20 Any larger I.F output level needs to be padded down prior to input to decoder board. Decoder chip has built-in AGC, but it is good idea to keep the radio's AGC section intact for tuned RF stage. Thank you for the question, Mike.=20=20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC Jeff Deck http://meduci.com From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sun Jul 11 09:07:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76380 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2010 16:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2010 16:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2010 16:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BED2AFEE for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:04:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4C39EB99.8010500@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:04:41 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=JeCxxJoA3Yiy-bRqMMmkgbhwrRFRVjPloKBfsSuVuO087w X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst While this post is long it is to describe why C-QuAM® 'Should NOT Be Used' in the SW bands and that L-ISB (Linear-IndependentSideBand) is the best choice. To some the following description may sound like I'm bashing C-QuAM® but I think Cosine correction produces the least amount of spectrum spread for any of the non-linear systems, is the most logical for envelope compatibility and is the best choice but it is the most vulnerable to interference, phase and amplitude distortion, more so than Magnavox and Belar while Kahn ISB is the most robust of all the non-linear systems. If their is an application for C-QuAM® where these reception issues do not exist then that would be the system to use. While C-QuAM® is the standard in the U.S. on SW, for other countries, if their is a choice, using a linear synchronous system like QuAM or even better L-ISB would be preferred. For those who haven't listened to a synchronously detected signal an have radio with a Motorola® MC13020P C-QuAM® chip in it this simple circuit will demonstrate the strength of synchronous detection during less than optimal reception conditions. http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/HarrisHack.gif And Now For The Details ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The envelope detector is a non-linear device and when it comes to detecting a signal with a fair amount of interference it will introduce distortion. The envelope detector requires that all the signal be in the 'I' channel and none in the 'Q' channel. Interference is never coherent with the carrier of the desired signal so some of it is in the 'Q' channel thus creating the distortion. Since Cosine correction is a mathematical representation if the 'I' and 'Env' signals the only time a non-corrupted 1/CosØ exists is when the reception is interference free, amplitude symmetry of sidebands, and a flat group delay in the passband. To decode the synchronously detected (L-R)*CosØ with a corrupted 1/CosØ will only introduce more distortion when the distortion from corrupted Cosine correction exceeds the distortion in the uncorrected (L-R)*CosØ. At this point it is better to detect C-QuAM® as QuAM. This occurs when the S/N ratio drops below ~20db. There is no real way around this. It is what it is. For good signal detection integrity this requires symmetrical sideband reception for distortion free mono envelope detection and for QuAM to prevent loss of channel separation. Add in any asymmetry and the mono envelope detected signal will produce quadrature type distortion that is a byproduct of the 'I' & 'Q' signals, the 'Q' part of the signal being produced by the sideband asymmetry. A synchronously detected stereo QuAM signal will produce distortion free reception but will have reduced separation. To prevent both distortion and loss of separation in the non-linear stereo systems a flat group delay time within the passband is also required so the pre-distorted sidebands will arrive at the proper time to cancel out the effects on the envelope created from the presence of the 'Q' signal . Loss of sideband symmetry in both phase and amplitude and degradation of group delay integrity from the effects of skywave and/or multi-path distortion can be a major issue at times and can not be undone. The only system that is the most immune from all of this is LINEAR INDEPENDENT SIDEBAND. It will always provide complete channel separation (channels being separated by frequency and not phase) and harmonic distortion free reception (from synchronous detection) as long as the PLL BFO maintains lock on the carrier. Interference will still be there but the desired signal will have the greatest protection from interference and skywave and/or multi-path distortion. Since SW is an international service and the these issues usually plague the signal path it makes little sense to use a non-linear system. An L-ISB signal is even more robust than a synchronously detected DSB signal, L-ISB being 2 SSB channels. SSB has well proven its robustness in the SW bands. Amplitude Companded SSB has also been used in the Ham bands which provides an effect similar to that of the capture effect with FM. ©2010 - JSGil From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jul 11 12:35:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70041 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2010 19:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2010 19:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2010 19:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6BJYtXa010811 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:34:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d07.7432ee7d (37169) for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:34:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA048-91314c3a1cdc7f; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:34:52 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:34:52 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=54aaW4IHoVEJPaMnMIcBQVv_F7VVMCwEGzG_PVZXi_8K0rXsLfw_xZD9qx6eoOwo X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A very learned discussion. Actually, given that almost all SW broadcast relies on skywave reception, I don't believe it is a good medium for any analog stereo system. I have a high end state of art Sony communications receiver with PLL synchronous detection. While synchronous detection is better than a simple envelope detector, it's not a silver bullet when fade occurs on the shortwave band. The Sony isn't CQUAM but I can imagine what fade would do. Come to think about it, I might give WLS a try tonight with the synchonous detector to see how it behaves. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jul 11 16:07:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5876 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2010 23:07:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2010 23:07:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2010 23:07:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12925 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2010 23:07:38 -0000 Message-ID: <280538.12774.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sfISnNAVM1mpPs1mdTZ6kKSEh1r8SIrZboAkgmSnTyQc2Yr SsskZ2H98.k.T4YxmrVTU7SuHtl51EV0FLrKZro8JMtn.S7bpAoHShSmePnE kQwdBaj3WiYtAyAqZcPdCoEEqpLasV_WRogSijjQgyo4Rv9C6a6JopzzjHwr zYzyJTzH7kvIsbdG7fs9w_EWdy7HZdwtKT6BK.OrlJ2ZyaCZdBxgpvk06c9u gtH9JWG1Qfhp.c25JdcsmtS3Nd.ea4zKHzytGakPPkBaun76BAd_AW.AebVZ .awnU6L.fNrNs4DUexJ8acl_VqYYzu5Lmbal.z8lD3qX7bjMlEeSF4qlhp2t 6BvhPcD2iR6dz7t9g_g2m1YJCaejHlxLiVyTPMSeW X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:07:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.2.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.276605 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:07:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7602DA2026914AB88AB3CE81800BCE4D@mygateway> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=38-Xy53zzQFdca1SkTIEPI4Flz1DAsviBDpQbyx7uilBTA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember seeing a full page Motorola ad on the back of Broadcast Magazine= years ago, proclaiming that C-QUAM would soon do for short wave what it ha= d done for medium wave.Hmmm... =C2=A0G=C2=A0 --- On Thu, 7/8/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 5:05 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 what wattage would be required? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:24 AM Subject: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands Hi Gang!!! I know almost all the SW bands are empty, today. But if we could (just in case) to revive it... I want to know if somebody t= ested (in the past) C-QUAM AM Stereo, in some SW bands, thinking in the loc= al service only (less than 50 kms or 48 miles around the TX). I guess the system isn't the best to the long distance (DX) service, but ma= ybe it is enough to the local area. Some idea? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Jul 11 16:12:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7210 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2010 23:12:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2010 23:12:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f46.google.com) (209.85.210.46) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2010 23:12:45 -0000 X-Received: by pzk26 with SMTP id 26so861536pzk.5 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.73.12 with SMTP id v12mr15097518waa.175.1278889964127; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x9sm57727939waj.15.2010.07.11.16.12.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <872ED6ECE23B48F78E76391537484297@mygateway> To: References: <4C39EB99.8010500@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:12:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7452 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.46 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Kj7DQiMCr8-_rSeA9iGGZF1rKZXDNTPaglh7DX-ZGuV_eiOfwcFk X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable where could we get rigs that support this? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AMS Admin=20 To: AM Stereo Forum=20 Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:04 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands =20=20=20=20 While this post is long it is to describe why C-QuAM=AE 'Should NOT Be=20 Used' in the SW bands and that L-ISB (Linear-IndependentSideBand) is the best choice. To some the=20 following description may sound like I'm bashing C-QuAM=AE but I think=20 Cosine correction produces the least amount of spectrum spread for any=20 of the non-linear systems, is the most logical for envelope=20 compatibility and is the best choice but it is the most vulnerable to=20 interference, phase and amplitude distortion, more so than Magnavox and=20 Belar while Kahn ISB is the most robust of all the non-linear systems.=20 If their is an application for C-QuAM=AE where these reception issues do= =20 not exist then that would be the system to use. While C-QuAM=AE is the=20 standard in the U.S. on SW, for other countries, if their is a choice,=20 using a linear synchronous system like QuAM or even better L-ISB would=20 be preferred. For those who haven't listened to a synchronously detected signal an=20 have radio with a Motorola=AE MC13020P C-QuAM=AE chip in it this simple=20 circuit will demonstrate the strength of synchronous detection during=20 less than optimal reception conditions.=20 http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/HarrisHack.gif And Now For The Details ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The envelope detector is a non-linear device and when it comes to=20 detecting a signal with a fair amount of interference it will introduce=20 distortion. The envelope detector requires that all the signal be in the= =20 'I' channel and none in the 'Q' channel. Interference is never coherent=20 with the carrier of the desired signal so some of it is in the 'Q'=20 channel thus creating the distortion. Since Cosine correction is a=20 mathematical representation if the 'I' and 'Env' signals the only time a= =20 non-corrupted 1/Cos=D8 exists is when the reception is interference free,= =20 amplitude symmetry of sidebands, and a flat group delay in the passband.= =20 To decode the synchronously detected (L-R)*Cos=D8 with a corrupted 1/Cos= =D8=20 will only introduce more distortion when the distortion from corrupted=20 Cosine correction exceeds the distortion in the uncorrected (L-R)*Cos=D8.= =20 At this point it is better to detect C-QuAM=AE as QuAM. This occurs when= =20 the S/N ratio drops below ~20db. There is no real way around this. It is= =20 what it is. For good signal detection integrity this requires symmetrical sideband=20 reception for distortion free mono envelope detection and for QuAM to=20 prevent loss of channel separation. Add in any asymmetry and the mono=20 envelope detected signal will produce quadrature type distortion that is= =20 a byproduct of the 'I' & 'Q' signals, the 'Q' part of the signal being=20 produced by the sideband asymmetry. A synchronously detected stereo QuAM= =20 signal will produce distortion free reception but will have reduced=20 separation. To prevent both distortion and loss of separation in the non-linear=20 stereo systems a flat group delay time within the passband is also=20 required so the pre-distorted sidebands will arrive at the proper time=20 to cancel out the effects on the envelope created from the presence of=20 the 'Q' signal . Loss of sideband symmetry in both phase and amplitude and degradation of= =20 group delay integrity from the effects of skywave and/or multi-path=20 distortion can be a major issue at times and can not be undone. The only= =20 system that is the most immune from all of this is LINEAR INDEPENDENT=20 SIDEBAND. It will always provide complete channel separation (channels=20 being separated by frequency and not phase) and harmonic distortion free= =20 reception (from synchronous detection) as long as the PLL BFO maintains=20 lock on the carrier. Interference will still be there but the desired=20 signal will have the greatest protection from interference and skywave=20 and/or multi-path distortion. Since SW is an international service and=20 the these issues usually plague the signal path it makes little sense to= =20 use a non-linear system. An L-ISB signal is even more robust than a synchronously detected DSB signal, L-ISB being 2 SSB channels. SSB has= =20 well proven its robustness in the SW bands. Amplitude Companded SSB has=20 also been used in the Ham bands which provides an effect similar to that of the capture effect with FM. =A92010 - JSGil =20=20 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 5270 (20100711) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5270 (20100711) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jul 11 16:14:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49784 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2010 23:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2010 23:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2010 23:14:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91226 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2010 23:13:40 -0000 Message-ID: <613154.90180.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PP0A764VM1kV5ksgJnVVzFcKRyJv3b2LLU7fGG8C7203XSd NNC7d560LdWwYowkO06Ifl_c61I6odpiPhPz1Giw9olyBsC2LfD3RyaqkQQr 7rFtbfm5Y2P9ZJ9X9DANOJB3VYlkx.9DG3DQKPHPOiCvrf.nTuUuNhcE16Vt Ma5FnqqktmsQAuHHfqBe31ZWwYOYCqSaI2HBwiczAc20.z_c4h7vCVS3cGGV 3gR2Peo.jB4X3R4G8YdPk8qm59OL0lqyrL5pIxsEOIyxUcYHMTpbDzDylDmP urqmolEN3Rt_7A6pZ4YzyBSzV7qT0ieyZsSAJq5I5S13BpqFxoBE7CIUb1F_ ZaPKv7B6L7J3SaA-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:13:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.2.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.276605 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:13:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44551.126.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6Cb5gGhvMuF_yr124pTZPFCMsiVKdQJxEm-SKlOl3eB7FA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But I'll bet Brother Stair (Amen, somebody?) on WWCR desperately COUNTS on = the "accidental" reception by domestic listeners...gotta keep that green se= aweed of salvation flowing! =C2=A0G =C2=A0 --- On Thu, 7/8/10, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 5:43 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 NO we can NOT test on any bands currently.=20 SW is not illegal, it's just not legal for domestic content. 50,000 watts=20 minimum power and you must be broadcasting to an international market.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 5:07:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands then can we test on any bands currently? i wish sw wasn't elegal in us ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kj4hyd=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:52 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands On 7/8/2010 10:24 AM, Jota wrote: > I want to know if somebody tested (in the past) C-QUAM AM Stereo, KUSW In Salt Lake City did it with 50,000 Watts and was an=20 Iinternational Service. > thinking in the local service only (less than 50 kms or 48 miles around t= he=20 TX). >=20 Domestic Service on Short Wave is illegal in the United States. All=20 Short Wave stations must be an International Service. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical=20 standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e=20 database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e=20 database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jul 11 16:25:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41876 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2010 23:25:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2010 23:25:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2010 23:25:09 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6BNOaIW012168 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 19:24:36 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c35.7ae75984 (37062) for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 19:24:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d23.mail.aol.com (magic-d23.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.157]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB048-90c64c3a52aecf; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 19:24:30 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 19:24:30 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.157 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hQRURBN9IcVTkDeU_etyfbAdFwrlxzZyibk4yQvizazcOEonad81pF7Z3f4Szloa X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/2010 6:07:46 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > I remember seeing a full page Motorola ad on the back of Broadcast > Magazine years ago, proclaiming that C-QUAM would soon do for short wave what it > had done for medium wave. It did. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jul 11 19:11:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83222 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 02:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 02:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 02:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 02:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 02:06:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:06:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44551.126.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.232 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=aNJT6PB3oWiZPYHU8IC5wKsUx1iLx-jlEqI8CBXNUka19f_08g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 But... Why is it illegal to broadcast only to the local area and legal to t= he international area? ??? It is ridiculous to me because we can not to con= trol the signal after it leaves the antenna!!! With 100 Watt or less we can= cover the local area with little disturbing to the vecinity (although we c= an get some DX at night too, in some bands). With 1,000,000 Watts we can co= ver the local and the international area as well. But... Why to limit one i= f we can get both? ??? I think there is some "square head" in the FCC brain= s. Sorry, my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > NO we can NOT test on any bands currently.=20 >=20 > SW is not illegal, it's just not legal for domestic content. 50,000 watts= =20 > minimum power and you must be broadcasting to an international market.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: hank smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 5:07:24 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 > then can we test on any bands currently? > i wish sw wasn't elegal in us > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kj4hyd=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > On 7/8/2010 10:24 AM, Jota wrote: > > I want to know if somebody tested (in the past) C-QUAM AM Stereo, >=20 > KUSW In Salt Lake City did it with 50,000 Watts and was an=20 > Iinternational Service. >=20 > > thinking in the local service only (less than 50 kms or 48 miles arou= nd the=20 > TX). > >=20 >=20 > Domestic Service on Short Wave is illegal in the United States. All=20 > Short Wave stations must be an International Service. >=20 > --=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical= =20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature=20 > database 5263 (20100708) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure=20 > database 5263 (20100708) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jul 11 19:17:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7117 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 02:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 02:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 02:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 02:16:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 02:16:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:16:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C373AF6.1040202@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.232 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=i6hRIz8V5uCsqDgISRe3rBqFrNPPQDoa0OPenqIJKuwg2bAoiw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Why only in 160 meters? What about 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10 meters? My license let me (past time because I have to renew it) work on any band b= ut with a maximun of 250 Watts PEP (SSB) or 150 Watts continous power. And = I can use voice, CW, RTTY, etc. But I admit I've only used voice and comput= er RTTY (because I'm a whole failure in morse code, hahahahaha!!!). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > > On 7/9/2010 10:33 AM, hank smith wrote: > > if memory serves 160 meter band is aloud fore those who own general lic= enses? > >=20=20=20=20 >=20 > Yes, I am a General Class Ham myself. We are allowed 1500 Watts PEP on=20 > 160 Meters. That is about 375 Watts of Carrier on AM. >=20 > --=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jul 11 19:25:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96558 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 02:25:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 02:25:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 02:25:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 02:25:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 02:25:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:25:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C39EB99.8010500@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.232 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=sbVEP8qxEocUWzGkVQLVOcgIZUR4M2i9ruqMju5qJoXhCtjZ5w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I guess nobody can argue against you about the virtues of the ISB AM Stereo= system to any AM band. I would love to use it!!! The only one problem is... FCC decided by C-QUAM!!! That's all folks!!! Well, maybe we could get the FCC lets ISB to the SW bands and let the C-QUA= M system only to the MW band. Please, just let me dream... a little. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: > > While this post is long it is to describe why C-QuAM=AE 'Should NOT Be=20 > Used' in the SW bands and > that L-ISB (Linear-IndependentSideBand) is the best choice. To some the=20 > following description may sound like I'm bashing C-QuAM=AE but I think=20 > Cosine correction produces the least amount of spectrum spread for any=20 > of the non-linear systems, is the most logical for envelope=20 > compatibility and is the best choice but it is the most vulnerable to=20 > interference, phase and amplitude distortion, more so than Magnavox and=20 > Belar while Kahn ISB is the most robust of all the non-linear systems.=20 > If their is an application for C-QuAM=AE where these reception issues do= =20 > not exist then that would be the system to use. While C-QuAM=AE is the=20 > standard in the U.S. on SW, for other countries, if their is a choice,=20 > using a linear synchronous system like QuAM or even better L-ISB would=20 > be preferred. >=20 > For those who haven't listened to a synchronously detected signal an=20 > have radio with a Motorola=AE MC13020P C-QuAM=AE chip in it this simple=20 > circuit will demonstrate the strength of synchronous detection during=20 > less than optimal reception conditions.=20 > http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/HarrisHack.gif >=20 >=20 > And Now For The Details > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The envelope detector is a non-linear device and when it comes to=20 > detecting a signal with a fair amount of interference it will introduce=20 > distortion. The envelope detector requires that all the signal be in the= =20 > 'I' channel and none in the 'Q' channel. Interference is never coherent=20 > with the carrier of the desired signal so some of it is in the 'Q'=20 > channel thus creating the distortion. Since Cosine correction is a=20 > mathematical representation if the 'I' and 'Env' signals the only time a= =20 > non-corrupted 1/Cos=D8 exists is when the reception is interference free,= =20 > amplitude symmetry of sidebands, and a flat group delay in the passband.= =20 > To decode the synchronously detected (L-R)*Cos=D8 with a corrupted 1/Cos= =D8=20 > will only introduce more distortion when the distortion from corrupted=20 > Cosine correction exceeds the distortion in the uncorrected (L-R)*Cos=D8.= =20 > At this point it is better to detect C-QuAM=AE as QuAM. This occurs when= =20 > the S/N ratio drops below ~20db. There is no real way around this. It is= =20 > what it is. >=20 > For good signal detection integrity this requires symmetrical sideband=20 > reception for distortion free mono envelope detection and for QuAM to=20 > prevent loss of channel separation. Add in any asymmetry and the mono=20 > envelope detected signal will produce quadrature type distortion that is= =20 > a byproduct of the 'I' & 'Q' signals, the 'Q' part of the signal being=20 > produced by the sideband asymmetry. A synchronously detected stereo QuAM= =20 > signal will produce distortion free reception but will have reduced=20 > separation. >=20 > To prevent both distortion and loss of separation in the non-linear=20 > stereo systems a flat group delay time within the passband is also=20 > required so the pre-distorted sidebands will arrive at the proper time=20 > to cancel out the effects on the envelope created from the presence of=20 > the 'Q' signal . >=20 > Loss of sideband symmetry in both phase and amplitude and degradation of= =20 > group delay integrity from the effects of skywave and/or multi-path=20 > distortion can be a major issue at times and can not be undone. The only= =20 > system that is the most immune from all of this is LINEAR INDEPENDENT=20 > SIDEBAND. It will always provide complete channel separation (channels=20 > being separated by frequency and not phase) and harmonic distortion free= =20 > reception (from synchronous detection) as long as the PLL BFO maintains=20 > lock on the carrier. Interference will still be there but the desired=20 > signal will have the greatest protection from interference and skywave=20 > and/or multi-path distortion. Since SW is an international service and=20 > the these issues usually plague the signal path it makes little sense to= =20 > use a non-linear system. An L-ISB signal is even more robust than > a synchronously detected DSB signal, L-ISB being 2 SSB channels. SSB has= =20 > well proven its robustness in the SW bands. Amplitude Companded SSB has=20 > also been used in the Ham bands which > provides an effect similar to that of the capture effect with FM. >=20 > =A92010 - JSGil > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jul 11 19:40:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69044 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 02:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 02:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 02:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 02:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 02:40:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:40:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <872ED6ECE23B48F78E76391537484297@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.232 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=QEz8MnzDeMbEwP5-gNNrCR9fiuZto4kUldDGh3xELnlnQUTYeA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 ISB AM Stereo advantages don't need to be proven. It was already done for d= ecades in the ham radio world (since the WW2) because it is basically the s= ame as SSB. Why don't you experiment with it? You just have to get two "superior class" SSB TXs and two "superior class" = SSB RXs (I mean, not cheap devices). Put the four devices at the exact same= frecuency (let's say 4,350 KHZ, or any other free frecuency on the 40 mete= rs in your area). Use one pair (one TX and one RX) at LSB with the left aud= io. Use the other pair at USB with the right audio. Then, enjoy the full st= ereo effect. You can test that installation far beyond the standard 25 kilometers around= your home and you will always get the stereo effect, even at worst situati= ons. Test it. It isn't cheap but very nice!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > where could we get rigs that support this? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: AMS Admin=20 > To: AM Stereo Forum=20 > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:04 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > While this post is long it is to describe why C-QuAM=AE 'Should NOT Be= =20 > Used' in the SW bands and > that L-ISB (Linear-IndependentSideBand) is the best choice. To some the= =20 > following description may sound like I'm bashing C-QuAM=AE but I think= =20 > Cosine correction produces the least amount of spectrum spread for any= =20 > of the non-linear systems, is the most logical for envelope=20 > compatibility and is the best choice but it is the most vulnerable to=20 > interference, phase and amplitude distortion, more so than Magnavox and= =20 > Belar while Kahn ISB is the most robust of all the non-linear systems.= =20 > If their is an application for C-QuAM=AE where these reception issues d= o=20 > not exist then that would be the system to use. While C-QuAM=AE is the= =20 > standard in the U.S. on SW, for other countries, if their is a choice,= =20 > using a linear synchronous system like QuAM or even better L-ISB would= =20 > be preferred. >=20 > For those who haven't listened to a synchronously detected signal an=20 > have radio with a Motorola=AE MC13020P C-QuAM=AE chip in it this simple= =20 > circuit will demonstrate the strength of synchronous detection during=20 > less than optimal reception conditions.=20 > http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/HarrisHack.gif >=20 > And Now For The Details > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The envelope detector is a non-linear device and when it comes to=20 > detecting a signal with a fair amount of interference it will introduce= =20 > distortion. The envelope detector requires that all the signal be in th= e=20 > 'I' channel and none in the 'Q' channel. Interference is never coherent= =20 > with the carrier of the desired signal so some of it is in the 'Q'=20 > channel thus creating the distortion. Since Cosine correction is a=20 > mathematical representation if the 'I' and 'Env' signals the only time = a=20 > non-corrupted 1/Cos=D8 exists is when the reception is interference fre= e,=20 > amplitude symmetry of sidebands, and a flat group delay in the passband= .=20 > To decode the synchronously detected (L-R)*Cos=D8 with a corrupted 1/Co= s=D8=20 > will only introduce more distortion when the distortion from corrupted= =20 > Cosine correction exceeds the distortion in the uncorrected (L-R)*Cos= =D8.=20 > At this point it is better to detect C-QuAM=AE as QuAM. This occurs whe= n=20 > the S/N ratio drops below ~20db. There is no real way around this. It i= s=20 > what it is. >=20 > For good signal detection integrity this requires symmetrical sideband= =20 > reception for distortion free mono envelope detection and for QuAM to=20 > prevent loss of channel separation. Add in any asymmetry and the mono=20 > envelope detected signal will produce quadrature type distortion that i= s=20 > a byproduct of the 'I' & 'Q' signals, the 'Q' part of the signal being= =20 > produced by the sideband asymmetry. A synchronously detected stereo QuA= M=20 > signal will produce distortion free reception but will have reduced=20 > separation. >=20 > To prevent both distortion and loss of separation in the non-linear=20 > stereo systems a flat group delay time within the passband is also=20 > required so the pre-distorted sidebands will arrive at the proper time= =20 > to cancel out the effects on the envelope created from the presence of= =20 > the 'Q' signal . >=20 > Loss of sideband symmetry in both phase and amplitude and degradation o= f=20 > group delay integrity from the effects of skywave and/or multi-path=20 > distortion can be a major issue at times and can not be undone. The onl= y=20 > system that is the most immune from all of this is LINEAR INDEPENDENT=20 > SIDEBAND. It will always provide complete channel separation (channels= =20 > being separated by frequency and not phase) and harmonic distortion fre= e=20 > reception (from synchronous detection) as long as the PLL BFO maintains= =20 > lock on the carrier. Interference will still be there but the desired=20 > signal will have the greatest protection from interference and skywave= =20 > and/or multi-path distortion. Since SW is an international service and= =20 > the these issues usually plague the signal path it makes little sense t= o=20 > use a non-linear system. An L-ISB signal is even more robust than > a synchronously detected DSB signal, L-ISB being 2 SSB channels. SSB ha= s=20 > well proven its robustness in the SW bands. Amplitude Companded SSB has= =20 > also been used in the Ham bands which > provides an effect similar to that of the capture effect with FM. >=20 > =A92010 - JSGil >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature database 5270 (20100711) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 5270 (20100711) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jul 11 21:43:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29061 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 04:43:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 04:43:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 04:43:44 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6C4heDh008455 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:43:40 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dcb.db8497d (56031) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:43:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-md08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD085-dadf4c3a9d7945; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:43:37 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:43:37 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=U3EtpyK__X4sowh_2BlEjY-IpDWySvkDOxfZeJYmgVEzmRgaLPpNmEFfFwK8xAvq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, It is a political issue. Of course one can receive one of our U.S. domestic SW stations in the U.S., but the station cannot program for the domestic audience. The airwaves belong to the people and our government is charged with seeing that it is utilized in the public interest. The AM, FM, and TV bands were allocated for domestic use with frequency, power, and locations assigned for that purpose. The Government also licenses SW stations to serve international audiences with frequency, time, power, and antenna patterns for that purpose as well. Because of the different objectives and criteria, the allocations are different. This is not unique to the U.S.. The BBC World Service is not simply a high power broadcast of the BBC domestic offerrings. If it were, a shortwave radio would make Ambien obsolete. No offense to the U.K.. The "BEEB" is the very definition of class and professionalism in broadcasting. Political concerns were what killed superpower AM in the U.S.. There were those who feared the concentration of media that stations like WLW posed. There were networks which covered large audiences, but networks in those days were hyper-non-political. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jul 11 21:50:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79501 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 04:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 04:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 04:48:20 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6C4mG9U015224 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:48:16 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c4a.6fdb6f9a (45482) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:48:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-mc07.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC071-b1aa4c3a9e8b2cf; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:48:11 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=PEjuARNeSjQnNt4Gc1bvtyiCh1mD8wF_UQy5yGxmylxcVkIrrBD1cywxV_0rjWzZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/2010 9:17:27 PM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > Why only in 160 meters? What about 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10 meters? > Actually, I think it is legal on band that allows full carrier phone. The 160m band allow testing of AM broadcasting equipment intended for the extended AM band. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jul 11 22:00:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37608 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 04:57:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 04:57:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 04:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6C4v5Xi016690 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:57:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c40.7eec03d5 (56013) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:57:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-md07.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD077-dacd4c3aa09e1e5; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:57:02 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:57:02 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Z_Hd-CFlsPRCVzGDBIzFBaiDJ8ZKTMYO8TLX0OXWvcPoFI0jphSMsyXGZtttuy9r X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/2010 9:26:01 PM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > I guess nobody can argue against you about the virtues of the ISB AM > Stereo system to any AM band. I would love to use it!!! > > The only one problem is... FCC decided by C-QUAM!!! > > I have yet to see the mathematical proof that the Motorola CQUAM system takes less bandwidth than other systems. One thing was for certain, the Rube Goldberg method the signal was generated and decoded was only practical with special purpose application specific ICs. What was Motorola's primary business? Broadcast equipment or mass manufacturing ICs? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jul 12 01:16:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77867 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 08:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 08:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f174.google.com) (209.85.214.174) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 08:15:57 -0000 X-Received: by mail-iw0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 7so4393930iwn.19 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:15:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.14.194 with SMTP id h2mr14461083iba.67.1278922557420; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n20sm18554484ibe.23.2010.07.12.01.15.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <114C630D6A034B1AA084E2C6E7A49B8F@mygateway> To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:15:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7452 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=OVMbc9qq3pZBGT8uSChBe52JCOe5jISqpYogEu2Ghvm4a6W8GBZL X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable totally agrreed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 7:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands =20=20=20=20 But... Why is it illegal to broadcast only to the local area and legal to= the international area? ??? It is ridiculous to me because we can not to c= ontrol the signal after it leaves the antenna!!! With 100 Watt or less we c= an cover the local area with little disturbing to the vecinity (although we= can get some DX at night too, in some bands). With 1,000,000 Watts we can = cover the local and the international area as well. But... Why to limit one= if we can get both? ??? I think there is some "square head" in the FCC bra= ins. Sorry, my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wro= te: > > NO we can NOT test on any bands currently.=20 >=20 > SW is not illegal, it's just not legal for domestic content. 50,000 wat= ts=20 > minimum power and you must be broadcasting to an international market.= =20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: hank smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 5:07:24 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 > then can we test on any bands currently? > i wish sw wasn't elegal in us > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kj4hyd=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/8/2010 10:24 AM, Jota wrote: > > I want to know if somebody tested (in the past) C-QUAM AM Stereo, >=20 > KUSW In Salt Lake City did it with 50,000 Watts and was an=20 > Iinternational Service. >=20 > > thinking in the local service only (less than 50 kms or 48 miles arou= nd the=20 > TX). > >=20 >=20 > Domestic Service on Short Wave is illegal in the United States. All=20 > Short Wave stations must be an International Service. >=20 > --=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical= =20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kah= n >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature=20 > database 5263 (20100708) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature=20 > database 5263 (20100708) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 5270 (20100711) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5270 (20100711) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jul 12 01:17:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41507 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 08:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 08:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f181.google.com) (209.85.214.181) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 08:17:40 -0000 X-Received: by mail-iw0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 42so4469573iwn.12 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.29.33 with SMTP id o33mr13365056ibc.164.1278922660058; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n20sm18584320ibe.5.2010.07.12.01.17.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:17:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7452 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=qCJ_RRJCeeGqHCA_K8sRFbAaPmnCrdxpzYLjF7z0mwcR0TP7725n X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what computer software do you use rtty to send and decode? also is rtty ony general and extra? this is something I don't remimber from= my tech license courses ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands =20=20=20=20 Why only in 160 meters? What about 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10 meters? My license let me (past time because I have to renew it) work on any band= but with a maximun of 250 Watts PEP (SSB) or 150 Watts continous power. An= d I can use voice, CW, RTTY, etc. But I admit I've only used voice and comp= uter RTTY (because I'm a whole failure in morse code, hahahahaha!!!). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > > On 7/9/2010 10:33 AM, hank smith wrote: > > if memory serves 160 meter band is aloud fore those who own general l= icenses? > >=20 >=20 > Yes, I am a General Class Ham myself. We are allowed 1500 Watts PEP on= =20 > 160 Meters. That is about 375 Watts of Carrier on AM. >=20 > --=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical= standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > =20=20 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 5270 (20100711) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5270 (20100711) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jul 12 01:19:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42478 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 08:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 08:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f181.google.com) (209.85.214.181) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 08:19:25 -0000 X-Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so4265055iwn.26 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:19:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.200.146 with SMTP id ew18mr13271800ibb.117.1278922756266; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g31sm18587935ibh.4.2010.07.12.01.19.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C1D3327EB204226A8448D7DEFB5D7A3@mygateway> To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:19:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7452 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.181 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=yYuWk3Fl4JjINZw_RDCCZ0_DvLvLpkbxdl_zY5OTUDA8PHhtZUrM X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can some one do this with sdr? if so how? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 7:40 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands =20=20=20=20 ISB AM Stereo advantages don't need to be proven. It was already done for= decades in the ham radio world (since the WW2) because it is basically the= same as SSB. Why don't you experiment with it? You just have to get two "superior class" SSB TXs and two "superior class= " SSB RXs (I mean, not cheap devices). Put the four devices at the exact sa= me frecuency (let's say 4,350 KHZ, or any other free frecuency on the 40 me= ters in your area). Use one pair (one TX and one RX) at LSB with the left a= udio. Use the other pair at USB with the right audio. Then, enjoy the full = stereo effect. You can test that installation far beyond the standard 25 kilometers arou= nd your home and you will always get the stereo effect, even at worst situa= tions. Test it. It isn't cheap but very nice!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote= : > > where could we get rigs that support this? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: AMS Admin=20 > To: AM Stereo Forum=20 > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:04 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 >=20 >=20 > While this post is long it is to describe why C-QuAM=AE 'Should NOT Be= =20 > Used' in the SW bands and > that L-ISB (Linear-IndependentSideBand) is the best choice. To some the= =20 > following description may sound like I'm bashing C-QuAM=AE but I think= =20 > Cosine correction produces the least amount of spectrum spread for any= =20 > of the non-linear systems, is the most logical for envelope=20 > compatibility and is the best choice but it is the most vulnerable to=20 > interference, phase and amplitude distortion, more so than Magnavox and= =20 > Belar while Kahn ISB is the most robust of all the non-linear systems.= =20 > If their is an application for C-QuAM=AE where these reception issues d= o=20 > not exist then that would be the system to use. While C-QuAM=AE is the= =20 > standard in the U.S. on SW, for other countries, if their is a choice,= =20 > using a linear synchronous system like QuAM or even better L-ISB would= =20 > be preferred. >=20 > For those who haven't listened to a synchronously detected signal an=20 > have radio with a Motorola=AE MC13020P C-QuAM=AE chip in it this simple= =20 > circuit will demonstrate the strength of synchronous detection during=20 > less than optimal reception conditions.=20 > http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/HarrisHack.gif >=20 > And Now For The Details > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The envelope detector is a non-linear device and when it comes to=20 > detecting a signal with a fair amount of interference it will introduce= =20 > distortion. The envelope detector requires that all the signal be in th= e=20 > 'I' channel and none in the 'Q' channel. Interference is never coherent= =20 > with the carrier of the desired signal so some of it is in the 'Q'=20 > channel thus creating the distortion. Since Cosine correction is a=20 > mathematical representation if the 'I' and 'Env' signals the only time = a=20 > non-corrupted 1/Cos=D8 exists is when the reception is interference fre= e,=20 > amplitude symmetry of sidebands, and a flat group delay in the passband= .=20 > To decode the synchronously detected (L-R)*Cos=D8 with a corrupted 1/Co= s=D8=20 > will only introduce more distortion when the distortion from corrupted= =20 > Cosine correction exceeds the distortion in the uncorrected (L-R)*Cos= =D8.=20 > At this point it is better to detect C-QuAM=AE as QuAM. This occurs whe= n=20 > the S/N ratio drops below ~20db. There is no real way around this. It i= s=20 > what it is. >=20 > For good signal detection integrity this requires symmetrical sideband= =20 > reception for distortion free mono envelope detection and for QuAM to=20 > prevent loss of channel separation. Add in any asymmetry and the mono=20 > envelope detected signal will produce quadrature type distortion that i= s=20 > a byproduct of the 'I' & 'Q' signals, the 'Q' part of the signal being= =20 > produced by the sideband asymmetry. A synchronously detected stereo QuA= M=20 > signal will produce distortion free reception but will have reduced=20 > separation. >=20 > To prevent both distortion and loss of separation in the non-linear=20 > stereo systems a flat group delay time within the passband is also=20 > required so the pre-distorted sidebands will arrive at the proper time= =20 > to cancel out the effects on the envelope created from the presence of= =20 > the 'Q' signal . >=20 > Loss of sideband symmetry in both phase and amplitude and degradation o= f=20 > group delay integrity from the effects of skywave and/or multi-path=20 > distortion can be a major issue at times and can not be undone. The onl= y=20 > system that is the most immune from all of this is LINEAR INDEPENDENT=20 > SIDEBAND. It will always provide complete channel separation (channels= =20 > being separated by frequency and not phase) and harmonic distortion fre= e=20 > reception (from synchronous detection) as long as the PLL BFO maintains= =20 > lock on the carrier. Interference will still be there but the desired=20 > signal will have the greatest protection from interference and skywave= =20 > and/or multi-path distortion. Since SW is an international service and= =20 > the these issues usually plague the signal path it makes little sense t= o=20 > use a non-linear system. An L-ISB signal is even more robust than > a synchronously detected DSB signal, L-ISB being 2 SSB channels. SSB ha= s=20 > well proven its robustness in the SW bands. Amplitude Companded SSB has= =20 > also been used in the Ham bands which > provides an effect similar to that of the capture effect with FM. >=20 > =A92010 - JSGil >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature database 5270 (20100711) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature database 5270 (20100711) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 5270 (20100711) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5270 (20100711) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 07:13:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22502 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 14:13:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 14:13:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.83) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 14:13:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92178 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2010 14:13:07 -0000 Message-ID: <646357.90751.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aFfCiyoVM1lgj6FgVHhLn6FsYElqIAO02hne6kHyQ0hHEVx KKbFl7tB8jV.DiP0f0G1tk5TCC3H4N0yRroR875Qla2DXgNXOB1hsFcdR0Bz EomU_wUw3QbNmm0CkB9gNTUWKi1heoMM_.68JNYpBCc1ioLRcWn3KXH2zRHm RWZHwb0JdB_gg4m_cDNBXLMSDyd3juJ.MW_zLyF606ZtAWxB7FEkhUI2UFTR oiZEJWtOUd0beLk9mf9hOBS4Y8LF05Z60fdYPvGYXa9QNKVofJDiDFjtIrr_ XDm1J0dBxt.__xLx8wx5lhYHA_.aWS38SP9xowygWYFe1FJMI1v.Pv7WnKiA LNBtPU1O5.30inEZSdS42 X-Received: from [209.213.19.181] by web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 07:13:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/420.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.274457 References: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 07:13:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.83 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=gi-FxaZUXbcEaEYcS-YiG3YpHy11py1tQ-iUq8jYcqE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some left over WWII laws they won't change.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 10:06:35 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands But... Why is it illegal to broadcast only to the local area and legal to t= he=20 international area? ??? It is ridiculous to me because we can not to contro= l the=20 signal after it leaves the antenna!!! With 100 Watt or less we can cover th= e=20 local area with little disturbing to the vecinity (although we can get some= DX=20 at night too, in some bands). With 1,000,000 Watts we can cover the local a= nd=20 the international area as well. But... Why to limit one if we can get both?= ???=20 I think there is some "square head" in the FCC brains. Sorry, my humble opi= nion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > NO we can NOT test on any bands currently.=20 >=20 > SW is not illegal, it's just not legal for domestic content. 50,000 watts= =20 > minimum power and you must be broadcasting to an international market.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: hank smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 5:07:24 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 > then can we test on any bands currently? > i wish sw wasn't elegal in us > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kj4hyd=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 > On 7/8/2010 10:24 AM, Jota wrote: > > I want to know if somebody tested (in the past) C-QUAM AM Stereo, >=20 > KUSW In Salt Lake City did it with 50,000 Watts and was an=20 > Iinternational Service. >=20 > > thinking in the local service only (less than 50 kms or 48 miles arou= nd the=20 > > TX). > >=20 >=20 > Domestic Service on Short Wave is illegal in the United States. All=20 > Short Wave stations must be an International Service. >=20 > --=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical= =20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature=20 > database 5263 (20100708) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure=20 > database 5263 (20100708) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 07:36:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3106 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 14:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 14:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 14:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 14:36:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 14:36:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:36:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C1D3327EB204226A8448D7DEFB5D7A3@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.216 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xjm9DgrQwC5uFZdizFZPZdHG-8DcrNNbLmD1UkF6tYghBWaeRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 If you are talking about Software Digital Radio (SDR), you need to build th= e following TX structure: 1) To build the Carrier oscillator (obvious step). 2) To build two standard AM "BALANCED" modulators (one to the left audio ch= annel and other to the right audio channel). 3) To build the necessary SideBand filters: one to the USB of the left modu= lator and one to the LSB to the right modulator. 4) When you get the LSB only (from the left modulator) and the USB only (fr= om the right modulator), then you have to join these two signals with the c= arrier (directly from the master oscillator) and... VOILA!!! ISB AM Stereo!= !! I'm not sure about the RX part. I guess you could use the basic same struct= ure in reverse, maybe. ??? Now, I'm not a programmer so I don't have any clue about that part. Sorry. If you're talking about Satellite Digital Radio (SDR), that isn't my world = so, again, I don't have any clue. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > can some one do this with sdr? > if so how? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Jota=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 7:40 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > ISB AM Stereo advantages don't need to be proven. It was already done f= or decades in the ham radio world (since the WW2) because it is basically t= he same as SSB. >=20 > Why don't you experiment with it? >=20 > You just have to get two "superior class" SSB TXs and two "superior cla= ss" SSB RXs (I mean, not cheap devices). Put the four devices at the exact = same frecuency (let's say 4,350 KHZ, or any other free frecuency on the 40 = meters in your area). Use one pair (one TX and one RX) at LSB with the left= audio. Use the other pair at USB with the right audio. Then, enjoy the ful= l stereo effect. >=20 > You can test that installation far beyond the standard 25 kilometers ar= ound your home and you will always get the stereo effect, even at worst sit= uations. >=20 > Test it. It isn't cheap but very nice!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > > > where could we get rigs that support this? > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: AMS Admin=20 > > To: AM Stereo Forum=20 > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:04 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > While this post is long it is to describe why C-QuAM=AE 'Should NOT B= e=20 > > Used' in the SW bands and > > that L-ISB (Linear-IndependentSideBand) is the best choice. To some t= he=20 > > following description may sound like I'm bashing C-QuAM=AE but I thin= k=20 > > Cosine correction produces the least amount of spectrum spread for an= y=20 > > of the non-linear systems, is the most logical for envelope=20 > > compatibility and is the best choice but it is the most vulnerable to= =20 > > interference, phase and amplitude distortion, more so than Magnavox a= nd=20 > > Belar while Kahn ISB is the most robust of all the non-linear systems= .=20 > > If their is an application for C-QuAM=AE where these reception issues= do=20 > > not exist then that would be the system to use. While C-QuAM=AE is th= e=20 > > standard in the U.S. on SW, for other countries, if their is a choice= ,=20 > > using a linear synchronous system like QuAM or even better L-ISB woul= d=20 > > be preferred. > >=20 > > For those who haven't listened to a synchronously detected signal an= =20 > > have radio with a Motorola=AE MC13020P C-QuAM=AE chip in it this simp= le=20 > > circuit will demonstrate the strength of synchronous detection during= =20 > > less than optimal reception conditions.=20 > > http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/HarrisHack.gif > >=20 > > And Now For The Details > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The envelope detector is a non-linear device and when it comes to=20 > > detecting a signal with a fair amount of interference it will introdu= ce=20 > > distortion. The envelope detector requires that all the signal be in = the=20 > > 'I' channel and none in the 'Q' channel. Interference is never cohere= nt=20 > > with the carrier of the desired signal so some of it is in the 'Q'=20 > > channel thus creating the distortion. Since Cosine correction is a=20 > > mathematical representation if the 'I' and 'Env' signals the only tim= e a=20 > > non-corrupted 1/Cos=D8 exists is when the reception is interference f= ree,=20 > > amplitude symmetry of sidebands, and a flat group delay in the passba= nd.=20 > > To decode the synchronously detected (L-R)*Cos=D8 with a corrupted 1/= Cos=D8=20 > > will only introduce more distortion when the distortion from corrupte= d=20 > > Cosine correction exceeds the distortion in the uncorrected (L-R)*Cos= =D8.=20 > > At this point it is better to detect C-QuAM=AE as QuAM. This occurs w= hen=20 > > the S/N ratio drops below ~20db. There is no real way around this. It= is=20 > > what it is. > >=20 > > For good signal detection integrity this requires symmetrical sideban= d=20 > > reception for distortion free mono envelope detection and for QuAM to= =20 > > prevent loss of channel separation. Add in any asymmetry and the mono= =20 > > envelope detected signal will produce quadrature type distortion that= is=20 > > a byproduct of the 'I' & 'Q' signals, the 'Q' part of the signal bein= g=20 > > produced by the sideband asymmetry. A synchronously detected stereo Q= uAM=20 > > signal will produce distortion free reception but will have reduced=20 > > separation. > >=20 > > To prevent both distortion and loss of separation in the non-linear=20 > > stereo systems a flat group delay time within the passband is also=20 > > required so the pre-distorted sidebands will arrive at the proper tim= e=20 > > to cancel out the effects on the envelope created from the presence o= f=20 > > the 'Q' signal . > >=20 > > Loss of sideband symmetry in both phase and amplitude and degradation= of=20 > > group delay integrity from the effects of skywave and/or multi-path=20 > > distortion can be a major issue at times and can not be undone. The o= nly=20 > > system that is the most immune from all of this is LINEAR INDEPENDENT= =20 > > SIDEBAND. It will always provide complete channel separation (channel= s=20 > > being separated by frequency and not phase) and harmonic distortion f= ree=20 > > reception (from synchronous detection) as long as the PLL BFO maintai= ns=20 > > lock on the carrier. Interference will still be there but the desired= =20 > > signal will have the greatest protection from interference and skywav= e=20 > > and/or multi-path distortion. Since SW is an international service an= d=20 > > the these issues usually plague the signal path it makes little sense= to=20 > > use a non-linear system. An L-ISB signal is even more robust than > > a synchronously detected DSB signal, L-ISB being 2 SSB channels. SSB = has=20 > > well proven its robustness in the SW bands. Amplitude Companded SSB h= as=20 > > also been used in the Ham bands which > > provides an effect similar to that of the capture effect with FM. > >=20 > > =A92010 - JSGil > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus si= gnature database 5270 (20100711) __________ > >=20 > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >=20 > > http://www.eset.com > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus si= gnature database 5270 (20100711) __________ > >=20 > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >=20 > > http://www.eset.com > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature database 5270 (20100711) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 5270 (20100711) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 07:43:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50088 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 14:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 14:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 14:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 14:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 14:42:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:42:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.216 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2PYpk-w0pLBgzXe18du0xxDrtJwCPVDhKA_V3c3Kp-OtLaqRQA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > I have yet to see the mathematical proof that the Motorola CQUAM system=20 > takes less bandwidth than other systems. One thing was for certain, the = Rube=20 > Goldberg method the signal was generated and decoded was only practical w= ith=20 > special purpose application specific ICs. What was Motorola's primary=20 > business? Broadcast equipment or mass manufacturing ICs? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hahahahaha!!! I'm tempted to add something to your questions, but you have to promise to = keep the secret, ok? I wonder... just in case... How much money was "in the game" around that FC= C final decision? ??? Remember, it is a secret. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 07:49:15 2010 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=33527;u=;t=1278948201;m=230673588;s=134037994; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 07:54:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56021 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 14:54:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 14:54:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 14:54:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 14:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 14:22:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:22:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.216 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ze5al0v3pkFksjX5xi0O8iZbEscA8ULF_Ndbs6ejFyqMUj6qrg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hahahaha!!! That old good times!!! I used my old Atari 130-XE (8 bits computer from the 1980's) with a softwar= e from some guy of the "Radio Club de Chile" (CE4AA). Actually I never knew= who was that guy. Basically, it was SFK (or something else), the computer = "wrote" and "read" the code for you and you typed into the computer keyboar= d and read into the standard TV set (working as the computer monitor). The = interface also was from the CE4AA. I'm not sure if it was connected to the = Atari's joystick port or the parallel port. But, IT WORKED GREAT!!! Slow, y= es, but it worked. It was a very "romantic" age of the electronic history t= o me, because one had to "build" the whole installation. Today, we can get = "all-in-one" packages, but it doesn't have the same old "flavour". Sincerely, I never knew if RTTY is "inside" my license or not. I only used = it, hahahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > what computer software do you use rtty to send and decode? > also is rtty ony general and extra? this is something I don't remimber fr= om my tech license courses > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Jota=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Why only in 160 meters? What about 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10 meters? >=20 > My license let me (past time because I have to renew it) work on any ba= nd but with a maximun of 250 Watts PEP (SSB) or 150 Watts continous power. = And I can use voice, CW, RTTY, etc. But I admit I've only used voice and co= mputer RTTY (because I'm a whole failure in morse code, hahahahaha!!!). >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > > > > On 7/9/2010 10:33 AM, hank smith wrote: > > > if memory serves 160 meter band is aloud fore those who own general= licenses? > > >=20 > >=20 > > Yes, I am a General Class Ham myself. We are allowed 1500 Watts PEP o= n=20 > > 160 Meters. That is about 375 Watts of Carrier on AM. > >=20 > > --=20 > > 73, > > Kevin Raper > > KJ4HYD > > CE WCKI WQIZ > >=20 > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematic= al standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature database 5270 (20100711) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 5270 (20100711) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 08:18:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48421 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 15:18:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 15:18:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 15:18:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 15:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 15:14:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:14:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C37548E.9060609@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands ANTENNA! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mEeTOFxqz0DjiN7HjDVV9wnA0eH4p1AoaY5lj8gbDfHhXabKT0vDchg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio PossumHunter wrote: "...I am running an Inverted V that is about 60 Feet High in the center, 15= Feet High at the Ends, and 261 Feet Long. It is being fed with Ladder Line= down to the base where I have an old Surplus Broadcast ATU. I then have 1/= 2" Heliax going back to my Shack..." And as Doc Brown in "Back to the Future" would say, and I quote: "That is s= ome serious shit"! No way that antenna would fit into my city lot, not to mention not having a= 60' tower! You make the rest of us jealous! J From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 08:33:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26445 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2010 15:33:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2010 15:33:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2010 15:33:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 15:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2010 15:32:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:32:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.216 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands ANTENNA! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_PeeAsSnn3Kj92WMdyw6uEIfO-oa_UqDt3l7hVEE4D2ikHgJMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hahahaha!!! The old ham guy problem: wanting to have a very long antenna and living in = a 10x10 meters house!!! Not to me, because I live outside the very wonderful city of Curic=F3, Regi= =F3n del Maule, Chile, South America and my "land" is around 120x120 meters= so... I have enough space to a full horizontal dipole to 160 meters. The only one problem is... I DON'T HAVE ONE HF TRANSCEIVER TODAY!!! SNIF, S= NIF, SNIF!!! I have only one a 2 meters base device and two handies (2 meters too). That= 's all folks. But I still have my old inverted "V" to 40 meters and the 5/8 11 meters ant= ennas and I use them to listen SW bands with a very good Philips SW analog = tuner (old but so good) with all modes. Since a long time I miss the VOA signals. What happened with that? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > PossumHunter wrote: > "...I am running an Inverted V that is about 60 Feet High in the center, = 15 Feet High at the Ends, and 261 Feet Long. It is being fed with Ladder Li= ne down to the base where I have an old Surplus Broadcast ATU. I then have = 1/2" Heliax going back to my Shack..." >=20 > And as Doc Brown in "Back to the Future" would say, and I quote: "That is= some serious shit"! >=20 > No way that antenna would fit into my city lot, not to mention not having= a 60' tower! You make the rest of us jealous! > J > From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 12 20:07:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77492 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2010 03:06:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2010 03:06:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2010 03:06:58 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6D36j3C020173 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:06:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e59.660eda9 (55837) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:06:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d18.mail.aol.com (magic-d18.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.134]) by cia-md06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD065-da1d4c3bd83f2f6; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:06:39 -0400 Message-ID: <61ad1.28408a2.396d323f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:06:39 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.134 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UUI3OWW5D_UjvGKxaIDNuIARmVSzJg_f8wpxrQ8lIFkCVk49tWDnYd6shs4dg3BL X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/2010 9:43:13 AM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > I wonder... just in case... How much money was "in the game" around that > FCC final decision? ??? > There was no doubt money thrown around. Motorola is a huge company. However, the real stupidity was Reagan era "market solution" mentality. Inside of seeking expert opinion and input from the industry and general public and THEN deciding on a STANDARD, the Reagan FCC let stations decide what system to they wanted to use hoping that somehow the market would send down some stone tablets as to which system should become the standard. That was stupid. It killed AM Stereo. Never before had the FCC been that politicized and incompetent. If Stereo TV had been handled that way, there would be no Stereo TV. If there had been multiple TV standards, it would have had a rocky start as well. In my opinion, the FCC should have chosen a standard and that standard should have been mandatory for all regional and clear channel stations. Period. That would have support the development and mass marketing of AM stereo receivers. Then let market forces determine which smaller stations would go stereo. In my opinion, the single greatest factor in why there are so few AM stereo stations is the lack of AM stereo radios. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 11:48:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51516 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2010 18:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2010 18:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2010 18:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2010 18:37:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2010 18:37:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:37:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <61ad1.28408a2.396d323f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.145 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=M6WRVXPuh7Hd02wvZZp9XBJAokLW260moueoHQJJCbt9V9kgZg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I absolutely agree with you. However, the AM broadcasters have some part of the fault, too: the very bad= today format!!! If USA people could have enough AM Stereo tuners, nobody would want to list= en news, sports, boring conversations and "infomercials" 24 hours a day, 7 = days a week. MW NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE MUSIC, FULL MUSIC, STEREO MUSIC, BEAUTIFUL MUS= IC, NOW!!!!!!! Here in Chile we still have music in MW, and we still have listeners (becau= se there are places where the FM services can't reach because our geography= cal landscape). Our problem here is about the very bad sound of the few MW = new tuners you can get (if you get one). I wonder how great it would been if the 1950's and 1960's teenagers had had= the possibility to listen that music in AM Stereo. I bet you the FM servic= e would be today just and historic event. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > =20 > However, the real stupidity was Reagan era "market solution" mentality. = Inside=20 > of seeking expert opinion and input from the industry and general public = and=20 > THEN deciding on a STANDARD, the Reagan FCC let stations decide what syst= em=20 > to they wanted to use hoping that somehow the market would send down some= =20 > stone tablets as to which system should become the standard. That was st= upid.=20 > It killed AM Stereo. >=20 > Never before had the FCC been that politicized and incompetent. If Stere= o=20 > TV had been handled that way, there would be no Stereo TV. If there had= =20 > been multiple TV standards, it would have had a rocky start as well. >=20 > In my opinion, the FCC should have chosen a standard and that standard=20 > should have been mandatory for all regional and clear channel stations. = Period.=20 > That would have support the development and mass marketing of AM stereo= =20 > receivers. Then let market forces determine which smaller stations would= go=20 > stereo. >=20 > In my opinion, the single greatest factor in why there are so few AM ster= eo=20 > stations is the lack of AM stereo radios. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 13 22:34:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21651 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2010 05:34:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2010 05:34:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2010 05:34:24 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6E5YFnK007653 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:34:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bfc.7a0b9180 (55731) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:34:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m26.mail.aol.com (magic-m26.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.199]) by cia-md03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD036-d9b34c3d4c522d; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:34:10 -0400 Message-ID: <44194.37f689dd.396ea652@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:34:10 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sybvh_jn4usRiLZKcSPz_7Gqoj2THTu50vNWOPicNXqdZuyd4Lj9CEgDk8OerD5H X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Believe it or not, not all TV receivers in the U.S. had the ability to tune the UHF band. A basic television was VHF and if one wanted UHF, they had to buy a converter box. A early "market based" solution. The problem was VHF become congested while UHF remained a vast unused wasteland. Prospective licensees did not want to invest in a UHF station because the majority of potential audience lack the means to receive it. Conversely, many consumers did not want to invest in a UHF converter box because there were so few UHF stations. It was the classic "chicken before the egg" senario. The FCC remedied the failure of the market based solution by mandating all TV receivers had to have UHF capability. That assured potential licensees there would be an audience for their signal which in turned assured consumers that there would be UHF stations to be be viewed. The major problem in the U.S. when it comes to radio, and AM in particular, is not technical inadequacies of the media. If you go to YouTube, take a listen to what AM Stereo sounds like. Pretty darn good. The problem is programming that anyone is willing to listen to that can be delivered for the proceeds the market can supply. Take a listen to KFI, WOWO, and WABC in AM Stereo on YouTube during their heydays. They have what was known the "Big Sound". Not just the fidelity, which was impressive to be sure, but the air talent and programming. No automation, dead segs, 6-week broadcast school wonders, bird drop news, etc.. It was more than rock and roll, it was complete entertainment. That has gotten lost. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Jul 13 22:46:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99368 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2010 05:46:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2010 05:46:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f47.google.com) (209.85.210.47) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2010 05:46:48 -0000 X-Received: by pzk2 with SMTP id 2so1746662pzk.34 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:46:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.204.17 with SMTP id b17mr6093404wfg.74.1279086407801; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f20sm6741951rvb.8.2010.07.13.22.46.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <44194.37f689dd.396ea652@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:46:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7466 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=e9NsaB9dskGATknq1CvaRfiYnBn3I2Bip7yFFVzpkWIjJCmYNkPe X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is therre anyway I could start a lp hd tv station? eg one that went a few blocks or something? something that is legal fore hd? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands Juan, Believe it or not, not all TV receivers in the U.S. had the ability to tune the UHF band. A basic television was VHF and if one wanted UHF, they had to buy a converter box. A early "market based" solution. The problem was VHF become congested while UHF remained a vast unused wasteland. Prospective licensees did not want to invest in a UHF station because the majority of potential audience lack the means to receive it. Conversely, many consumers did not want to invest in a UHF converter box because there were so few UHF stations. It was the classic "chicken before the egg" senario. The FCC remedied the failure of the market based solution by mandating all TV receivers had to have UHF capability. That assured potential licensees there would be an audience for their signal which in turned assured consumers that there would be UHF stations to be be viewed. The major problem in the U.S. when it comes to radio, and AM in particular, is not technical inadequacies of the media. If you go to YouTube, take a listen to what AM Stereo sounds like. Pretty darn good. The problem is programming that anyone is willing to listen to that can be delivered for the proceeds the market can supply. Take a listen to KFI, WOWO, and WABC in AM Stereo on YouTube during their heydays. They have what was known the "Big Sound". Not just the fidelity, which was impressive to be sure, but the air talent and programming. No automation, dead segs, 6-week broadcast school wonders, bird drop news, etc.. It was more than rock and roll, it was complete entertainment. That has gotten lost. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5276 (20100713) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5276 (20100713) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 08:58:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85055 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2010 15:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2010 15:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.85) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2010 15:57:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90663 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2010 15:57:40 -0000 Message-ID: <70266.89432.qm@web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TjV_qr4VM1kI0aNIF0h0aa9o3xW8lJ2fpdppF8OJRJqxSbQ .IpnD3gxiFMEmmcuciIMAgiLSZtLLbOO5RXFbqzqrMcImqZ1Rt6Dx9kO5ByM rKTSeF1yxrQF8VmaWtHzRhOi3LC_qIKGug3Bw7Eg9zsYGg6pg88sItvjWOIJ oO8uRPNNhGNr1OVe_xc5F3HTPMrPnk8QXq.07ZkDDm_CuvD1fphigWW6fp0z 4DXEhwJTn_jIPwbR8fapeh_ezO52t6.q4mruSD7Ts6.oLDN9KX781B7T0_fM TSLa52vvSP3fYQ4ii5kEMGPTca4ArOyQoKyeaVeZ7ZI37aQILsXDoyihgA7K ujtQG5IpvLFNIEygc1uMA X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:57:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/420.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.276605 References: <44194.37f689dd.396ea652@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:57:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=u1FdeFHkuH8qDckmOFHQ7Vku3NBuyhUGdHV3XDUDHaI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A one word answer NO. There is NO part 15 for TV. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 1:46:44 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands is therre anyway I could start a lp hd tv station? eg one that went a few blocks or something? something that is legal fore hd? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands Juan, Believe it or not, not all TV receivers in the U.S. had the ability to tune the UHF band. A basic television was VHF and if one wanted UHF, they had to buy a converter box. A early "market based" solution. The problem was VHF become congested while UHF remained a vast unused wasteland. Prospective licensees did not want to invest in a UHF station because the majority of potential audience lack the means to receive it. Conversely, many consumers did not want to invest in a UHF converter box because there were so few UHF stations. It was the classic "chicken before the egg" senario. The FCC remedied the failure of the market based solution by mandating all TV receivers had to have UHF capability. That assured potential licensees there would be an audience for their signal which in turned assured consumers that there would be UHF stations to be be viewed. The major problem in the U.S. when it comes to radio, and AM in particular, is not technical inadequacies of the media. If you go to YouTube, take a listen to what AM Stereo sounds like. Pretty darn good. The problem is programming that anyone is willing to listen to that can be delivered for the proceeds the market can supply. Take a listen to KFI, WOWO, and WABC in AM Stereo on YouTube during their heydays. They have what was known the "Big Sound". Not just the fidelity, which was impressive to be sure, but the air talent and programming. No automation, dead segs, 6-week broadcast school wonders, bird drop news, etc.. It was more than rock and roll, it was complete entertainment. That has gotten lost. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5276 (20100713) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5276 (20100713) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 14 12:32:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53765 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2010 19:32:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2010 19:32:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2010 19:32:05 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6EJW0Ua013899 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:32:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.ca4.64b995c7 (37133) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:31:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m23.mail.aol.com (magic-m23.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.196]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA027-910d4c3e10aa113; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:31:54 -0400 Message-ID: <6bf3a.2529f917.396f6aaa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:31:54 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.196 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5BwD7WoB7nLbzuQPjdNF58362QUqaIxyNm8qFIGzMif7P3UWVw1zjwd6v4HS_G9F X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/14/2010 10:59:09 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > A one word answer NO. > > There is NO part 15 for TV. > Right you are, Powell. We need to get our friend Hank on cable. We have two community access channels here that go wanting for programming. The FCC is putting pressure on the cable company to get these channels up and running. Even in a major market like St. Louis, all it takes to get on community access is to schedule a time. No sponsors needed. The cable company provides the equipment and studio. Having a manefesto helps and perference does seem to be given to those who line their caps with tinfoil. Much like Fox News. If Hank doesn't quit pining to be on the air, I am going to walk down the street from my house to our local 6-station radio cluster and have them arrange a feed from his apartment. They're about ready to start using test tones as drive time programming they're so broke. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 13:14:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84149 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2010 20:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2010 20:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.83) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2010 20:14:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68161 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2010 20:14:30 -0000 Message-ID: <706813.66361.qm@web112016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 56mKjYEVM1neVpg1gspqWacbJuwcJdiR0iQ1_wRpdgI4adg 1icSYom0ebQOEKwP6fJCJKoLnv4mimBkWyf23swrX0jH4vAr5ClmSEd4rWBg qcE1cT_EbZ1pIuQYLS0WkEowWdUfvJa7qfpya5Q7q_waWXyekXFVUlBnM5ZB 7dZRdIClAR1n2Vsfv41TlMDX.arGudXCyybW4kShro5isIuR.JqzvaJmiK2s 109N6sQyBjlv8D0zV3NVdsw.T2ksY07_3VBRIzqqEbRZfyhEXGgm34KSJ519 ufWefgqSRLrJ_r4nxm7nm856COGzjEXtyN0Ox24ZLPjLRvM50.nlmEkb70fH 1d7Eo80dDwwfDJxC2FyEH X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:14:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/420.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.276605 References: <44194.37f689dd.396ea652@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:14:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44194.37f689dd.396ea652@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=W6v728g52-fTyieXNIVUZmQFBXnFGnEGQtJJFopLSQw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was in the mid 1960's when the mandate occurred. You COULD order a TV with the UHF tuner though. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: "mjgrant@aol.com" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 1:34:10 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands Juan, Believe it or not, not all TV receivers in the U.S. had the ability to tune the UHF band. A basic television was VHF and if one wanted UHF, they had to buy a converter box. A early "market based" solution. The problem was VHF become congested while UHF remained a vast unused wasteland. Prospective licensees did not want to invest in a UHF station because the majority of potential audience lack the means to receive it. Conversely, many consumers did not want to invest in a UHF converter box because there were so few UHF stations. It was the classic "chicken before the egg" senario. The FCC remedied the failure of the market based solution by mandating all TV receivers had to have UHF capability. That assured potential licensees there would be an audience for their signal which in turned assured consumers that there would be UHF stations to be be viewed. The major problem in the U.S. when it comes to radio, and AM in particular, is not technical inadequacies of the media. If you go to YouTube, take a listen to what AM Stereo sounds like. Pretty darn good. The problem is programming that anyone is willing to listen to that can be delivered for the proceeds the market can supply. Take a listen to KFI, WOWO, and WABC in AM Stereo on YouTube during their heydays. They have what was known the "Big Sound". Not just the fidelity, which was impressive to be sure, but the air talent and programming. No automation, dead segs, 6-week broadcast school wonders, bird drop news, etc.. It was more than rock and roll, it was complete entertainment. That has gotten lost. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 19:18:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98278 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2010 02:18:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2010 02:18:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2010 02:18:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80629 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2010 02:18:32 -0000 Message-ID: <989996.78974.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aMJ_sboVM1lRhXuOS0cqe8Uo35hGh5dXn3DkL4ofyIX0c2K TKGHDR.AyNebOWFmfbz8E2CJCJ3dzaGhYFkb1Fq76urFUzdv9fDtIomnxXaa vBEIdTFVVXe0L.uCoSyvh.y67iT.rvz59YjsaDEgxHiwuvnLzcdoYKgUXSVw niRbsO.XzYY0PYLDf5ynw7nLkeExyXAjf.NmWcjl23Yn4V1eAsA3IhmaVcy9 0b2qqMngEy8s2nG0kL2tlIh.LddHKoNEICjLvIAPHvEG9qKn7LvEbsBgmzAt 5IpykNvpGs.NE4VceKOOg5op3CmDQPK.sR7rgS2desvUJ4LcMTaZBib9Y7Gr k X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:18:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.2.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.276605 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:18:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <70266.89432.qm@web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=bN6FLr_PJFx1u6EgbaViqRhtvIDtY7eDBOF9qdRIUFO-Ow X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But isn't there still AMATEUR TV? =C2=A0Where good old NTSC is still legal?= =C2=A0G --- On Wed, 7/14/10, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 11:57 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 A one word answer NO.=20 There is NO part 15 for TV.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 1:46:44 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands is therre anyway I could start a lp hd tv station? eg one that went a few blocks or something? something that is legal fore hd? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mjgrant@aol.com=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands Juan, Believe it or not, not all TV receivers in the U.S. had the ability to tune= =20 the UHF band. A basic television was VHF and if one wanted UHF, they had= =20 to buy a converter box. A early "market based" solution. The problem was VHF become congested while UHF remained a vast unused=20 wasteland. Prospective licensees did not want to invest in a UHF station= =20 because=20 the majority of potential audience lack the means to receive it.=20 Conversely, many consumers did not want to invest in a UHF converter box= =20 because=20 there were so few UHF stations. It was the classic "chicken before the egg"= =20 senario. The FCC remedied the failure of the market based solution by mandating all= =20 TV receivers had to have UHF capability. That assured potential licensees= =20 there would be an audience for their signal which in turned assured consu= mers=20 that there would be UHF stations to be be viewed. The major problem in the U.S. when it comes to radio, and AM in particular,= =20 is not technical inadequacies of the media. If you go to YouTube, take a= =20 listen to what AM Stereo sounds like. Pretty darn good. The problem is=20 programming that anyone is willing to listen to that can be delivered for= the=20 proceeds the market can supply. Take a listen to KFI, WOWO, and WABC in AM Stereo on YouTube during their=20 heydays. They have what was known the "Big Sound". Not just the fidelity,= =20 which was impressive to be sure, but the air talent and programming. No=20 automation, dead segs, 6-week broadcast school wonders, bird drop news, e= tc..=20 It was more than rock and roll, it was complete entertainment. That has=20 gotten lost. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e=20 database 5276 (20100713) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e=20 database 5276 (20100713) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 19:22:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27701 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2010 02:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2010 02:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2010 02:22:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82271 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2010 02:22:24 -0000 Message-ID: <957614.81629.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: i1v.tXUVM1ksZTs5rK4uWOuugXjPDTAI39j4sLsOe58Lie8 hotK2ANlqug6AlmnnZgqLf.bsZdBKskg6LX1uvoeuLj.E8U_n9qVzSFD6OIT 5wtEw0TfsDuZNtoU3Gt9hzqugz5sdiq7Lom0Vq0nts8LHHxFw4oD7Ith5w2y FFeluSunAnOVPYT9VFTwz6zSmW2lAx65LNuBwNOqTHR4VmJv2XfwW9e.JYqI WiLuVE3PWKhgHVNdzgPDpI4Fj8nQTXrl06RAB9wlfLJMZU1C5N8_fOE0yzxC .L2ibpHX02yqaJkmxw_aLxbVxrJZCxi0yQ57jggvvsqVMhibylJCbKyDRgFf 0dBaw8A4ZzNPaqVtwHmR4C1oXKePzDsjwys2sZtJwmNUzy_dN4nc4VEBMdfz 9 X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:22:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.2.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.276605 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:22:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <706813.66361.qm@web112016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=NLE2NVAehO-fcdI_TQ0OlpeqWoLPz-DtUCoafgDgT-CpZg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Remember the little Blonder-Tongue converters that used little more than a = tunnel diode, a "D" cell, and a variably-tapped loop of wire for tuning? = =C2=A0 Way cheaper than the big box with the 6AF4 tube in it, but it got th= e job done...G --- On Wed, 7/14/10, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 4:14 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 That was in the mid 1960's when the mandate occurred. You COULD order= a TV with=20 the UHF tuner though.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: "mjgrant@aol.com" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 1:34:10 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands Juan, Believe it or not, not all TV receivers in the U.S. had the ability to tune= =20 the UHF band. A basic television was VHF and if one wanted UHF, they had=20 to buy a converter box. A early "market based" solution. The problem was VHF become congested while UHF remained a vast unused=20 wasteland. Prospective licensees did not want to invest in a UHF station=20 because=20 the majority of potential audience lack the means to receive it.=20=20 Conversely, many consumers did not want to invest in a UHF converter box be= cause=20 there were so few UHF stations. It was the classic "chicken before the egg= "=20 senario. The FCC remedied the failure of the market based solution by mandating all= =20 TV receivers had to have UHF capability. That assured potential licensees= =20 there would be an audience for their signal which in turned assured consume= rs=20 that there would be UHF stations to be be viewed. The major problem in the U.S. when it comes to radio, and AM in particular,= =20 is not technical inadequacies of the media. If you go to YouTube, take a=20 listen to what AM Stereo sounds like. Pretty darn good. The problem is=20 programming that anyone is willing to listen to that can be delivered for t= he=20 proceeds the market can supply. Take a listen to KFI, WOWO, and WABC in AM Stereo on YouTube during their=20 heydays. They have what was known the "Big Sound". Not just the fidelity,= =20 which was impressive to be sure, but the air talent and programming. No=20 automation, dead segs, 6-week broadcast school wonders, bird drop news, etc= ..=20=20 It was more than rock and roll, it was complete entertainment. That has=20 gotten lost. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 15 02:39:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87634 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2010 09:39:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2010 09:39:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2010 09:39:16 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6F9ceV3010578 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:38:40 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e63.6beac98 (45488) for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:38:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d21.mail.aol.com (magic-d21.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.137]) by cia-mc07.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC073-b1b04c3ed71d171; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:38:37 -0400 Message-ID: <36308.7d2f0e2c.3970311d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:38:37 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.137 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=WjujznKo1Opg6gqV77OjQengolKB7nT_8lrx-I33FTwWHe8w540-tk2XMe2_0Fc7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/14/2010 9:18:38 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > But isn't there still AMATEUR TV? Where good old NTSC is still legal? I don't believe NTSC was ever legal for ham TV. I think they use slow scan because of the bandwidth requirements. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 15 02:41:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76858 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2010 09:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2010 09:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2010 09:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6F9ejZ0012827 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:40:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dcc.ddee653 (37577) for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:40:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d21.mail.aol.com (magic-d21.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.137]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB052-92c94c3ed79938c; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:40:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3638e.df3da33.39703199@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:40:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.137 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AKU8h1pFBnEUJaNUJqY2t8pp6_Y-dyLrwIbaOR7OBx-fxNQWh1AbqBf-2AsEacLo X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/14/2010 9:22:28 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Remember the little Blonder-Tongue converters I know the company. They're into antennas and things. My question is was there really a Mr. Tongue? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 06:54:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23312 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2010 13:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2010 13:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.82) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2010 13:54:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14933 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2010 13:54:36 -0000 Message-ID: <241692.14324.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: baQVZAwVM1lz.jeYTIrR1HePeWjepK8PiF45xCBKfIIdBzu 9ynCPGeHF8cUUL_akRS.pAzztN4ySDGKl6Wt3McSc3idv9PS3GvNaoLLNavr fDG41JmLryH5dHhjKaZAb4YgGDdYDYoCTjpYdXxA3isuCBNCLZKEe45IaxSk DwcCSozzejCoH2HSDDse6xl2shlB2b9zreIjacF54sKRx.0ma_opKMjzcScw Pf4hZl_MZtFhrFBIgX4fzYg6MmIXS3PVhlTrnboMbqxMkIDMEJCcJZQufOf2 gsUOi2AXgl8xXjZwLkkh1SVgg1XfaJZEoXImmFYg5O6GAiySK4f4fwVxDIA2 grOEL3ZU8LMt0OojNxUGp X-Received: from [209.213.19.192] by web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:54:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/420.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.276605 References: <989996.78974.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:54:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <989996.78974.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.82 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=v6yNXgT9kbArwk6rhfwviN1xEDMwFKdwdyfsM97kakA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is not used on HF where slow scan is, but NTSC is legal on UHF. With a UHF antenna, and a TV set to cable , some of those cable channels are in the mid of the 440 ham band. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 10:18:31 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands But isn't there still AMATEUR TV? Where good old NTSC is still legal? G --- On Wed, 7/14/10, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 11:57 AM A one word answer NO. There is NO part 15 for TV. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 1:46:44 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands is therre anyway I could start a lp hd tv station? eg one that went a few blocks or something? something that is legal fore hd? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands Juan, Believe it or not, not all TV receivers in the U.S. had the ability to tune the UHF band. A basic television was VHF and if one wanted UHF, they had to buy a converter box. A early "market based" solution. The problem was VHF become congested while UHF remained a vast unused wasteland. Prospective licensees did not want to invest in a UHF station because the majority of potential audience lack the means to receive it. Conversely, many consumers did not want to invest in a UHF converter box because there were so few UHF stations. It was the classic "chicken before the egg" senario. The FCC remedied the failure of the market based solution by mandating all TV receivers had to have UHF capability. That assured potential licensees there would be an audience for their signal which in turned assured consumers that there would be UHF stations to be be viewed. The major problem in the U.S. when it comes to radio, and AM in particular, is not technical inadequacies of the media. If you go to YouTube, take a listen to what AM Stereo sounds like. Pretty darn good. The problem is programming that anyone is willing to listen to that can be delivered for the proceeds the market can supply. Take a listen to KFI, WOWO, and WABC in AM Stereo on YouTube during their heydays. They have what was known the "Big Sound". Not just the fidelity, which was impressive to be sure, but the air talent and programming. No automation, dead segs, 6-week broadcast school wonders, bird drop news, etc.. It was more than rock and roll, it was complete entertainment. That has gotten lost. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5276 (20100713) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5276 (20100713) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Jul 15 08:23:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92789 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2010 15:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2010 15:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2010 15:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2010 15:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2010 15:22:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:22:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <241692.14324.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=02mLaysyF8efyQr48VMvCe5St5nWN1BzLcIMZ2NDKImU X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq See: http://www.wa2fnq.com/atv/atvdoc.htm and http://www.wa2fnq.com/atv/atvpic1.htm Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > It is not used on HF where slow scan is, but NTSC is legal on UHF. With= a UHF=20 > antenna, and a TV set to cable , some of those cable channels are in the = mid of=20 > the 440 ham band.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jul 15 10:46:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39471 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2010 17:41:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2010 17:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2010 17:41:31 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100715124100101794400010.0) with SMTP id <20100715124100101794400010> for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:41:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007501cb2445$92479820$6600000a@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:45:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:41:00 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=3GC6vXp0EFKkXMlMxskiHRjXSFCCzcH5R5XOdebj93YrA6tiwEut X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Then Moto bought off the rest of the world too. Remember, theirs was the s= tandard adopted in every other country that had AMS. It wasn't until it wa= s painfully obvious that the marketplace decision wasn't working that it wa= s adopted as the standard here. I'm not convinced it was necessarily bribery or other corruption. They mad= e the licensing of their system cheap and easy- sort of like what happened = between the PC and Mac. Even as an admitted PC user I know Mac is better, = but IBM made their system more available and reaped the results. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:43 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > I have yet to see the mathematical proof that the Motorola CQUAM system= =20 > takes less bandwidth than other systems. One thing was for certain, the= Rube=20 > Goldberg method the signal was generated and decoded was only practical= with=20 > special purpose application specific ICs. What was Motorola's primary=20 > business? Broadcast equipment or mass manufacturing ICs? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hahahahaha!!! I'm tempted to add something to your questions, but you have to promise t= o keep the secret, ok? I wonder... just in case... How much money was "in the game" around that = FCC final decision? ??? Remember, it is a secret. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jul 15 11:00:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24071 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2010 17:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2010 17:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2010 17:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100715125825100570500010.0) with SMTP id <20100715125825100570500010> for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:58:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a101cb2448$011fd620$6600000a@home1> To: References: <61ad1.28408a2.396d323f@aol.com> X-Source-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:03:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:58:25 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=MA--3QE1T7GswqfgMDlF40Xye_KIWY-Dvqr2_0hoxkz_JAC93zcT X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit History and reality check- The FCC *DID* select a standard initially, the Magnavox system. The greatest failing was the FCC not encouraging the various developers from cooperating with each other to pool the best of their ideas to come up with a single standard. Magnavox had a good sounding system as the audio files in the archives will attest, but it was rejected by the majority of broadcasters because it limited the amount of negative modulation to something like 94% before serious popping noises were made. The loudest voice for a marketplace decision was none other than Leonard Kahn. The FCC isn't blameless in all this, but this misinformation is appalling. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands In a message dated 7/12/2010 9:43:13 AM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > I wonder... just in case... How much money was "in the game" around that > FCC final decision? ??? > There was no doubt money thrown around. Motorola is a huge company. However, the real stupidity was Reagan era "market solution" mentality. Inside of seeking expert opinion and input from the industry and general public and THEN deciding on a STANDARD, the Reagan FCC let stations decide what system to they wanted to use hoping that somehow the market would send down some stone tablets as to which system should become the standard. That was stupid. It killed AM Stereo. Never before had the FCC been that politicized and incompetent. If Stereo TV had been handled that way, there would be no Stereo TV. If there had been multiple TV standards, it would have had a rocky start as well. In my opinion, the FCC should have chosen a standard and that standard should have been mandatory for all regional and clear channel stations. Period. That would have support the development and mass marketing of AM stereo receivers. Then let market forces determine which smaller stations would go stereo. In my opinion, the single greatest factor in why there are so few AM stereo stations is the lack of AM stereo radios. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jul 15 11:06:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53927 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2010 18:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2010 18:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2010 18:02:28 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100715130157100996900010.0) with SMTP id <20100715130157100996900010> for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00ad01cb2448$7f872680$6600000a@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:06:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:57 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: OT- VOA- was Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands ANTENNA! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=zH8ytHpcVEuKsHkNWlzf4QG8JDOMLnp7a3WFGECtDdgxYkjg_G_r X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gone to the internet like most of the rest of the world. Wouldn't mind having a few of those huge beasts to keep around just in case, but that's just me. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:33 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands ANTENNA! Since a long time I miss the VOA signals. What happened with that? ??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jul 15 11:17:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85665 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2010 18:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2010 18:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2010 18:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100715131416102436400010.0) with SMTP id <20100715131416102436400010> for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:14:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e401cb244a$37e31580$6600000a@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:19:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:14:16 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9sMasbyi-9RqeiOMO34T0gcmbjTLr7cNorkaNl_UwcSvGND8Lrxh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Want to make a bet? Even FMs are going talk and sports for two principle reasons- format popularity and increasingly expensive music license fees. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:48 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands However, the AM broadcasters have some part of the fault, too: the very bad today format!!! If USA people could have enough AM Stereo tuners, nobody would want to listen news, sports, boring conversations and "infomercials" 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. MW NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE MUSIC, FULL MUSIC, STEREO MUSIC, BEAUTIFUL MUSIC, NOW!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 15 11:44:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74420 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2010 18:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2010 18:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2010 18:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6FIfADe005675 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:41:10 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c46.7953ae6b (43916) for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:41:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m27.mail.aol.com (magic-m27.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.200]) by cia-dc08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC085-ab8c4c3f56431b7; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:41:07 -0400 Message-ID: <8b448.4bb1d543.3970b043@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:41:07 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=YtNmIxjZj4NdDcZ8qj6SsqqU_EpYFADMYQFMnZS5PsNDQOmWhaIcDu7J4l_dPbHW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/2010 9:43:13 AM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > I wonder... just in case... How much money was "in the game" around that > FCC final decision? ??? > There was no doubt money thrown around. Motorola is a huge company. However, the real stupidity was Reagan era "market solution" mentality. Inside of seeking expert opinion and input from the industry and general public and THEN deciding on a STANDARD, the Reagan FCC let stations decide what system to they wanted to use hoping that somehow the market would send down some stone tablets as to which system should become the standard. That was stupid. It killed AM Stereo. Never before had the FCC been that politicized and incompetent. If Stereo TV had been handled that way, there would be no Stereo TV. If there had been multiple TV standards, it would have had a rocky start as well. In my opinion, the FCC should have chosen a standard and that standard should have been mandatory for all regional and clear channel stations. Period. That would have support the development and mass marketing of AM stereo receivers. Then let market forces determine which smaller stations would go stereo. In my opinion, the single greatest factor in why there are so few AM stereo stations is the lack of AM stereo radios. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Fri Jul 16 03:06:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97313 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2010 10:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2010 10:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.140) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2010 10:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100716100618.QJFF12310.nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:06:18 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100716100617.NTDJ13035.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:06:17 +0000 To: References: <989996.78974.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <241692.14324.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:06:17 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <241692.14324.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcskJUYt5Sx2vEQISNqcgg93raP25gApyMBw X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090208.4C402F1A.00E1,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rxs1Ftb+TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7zhKrM7hNL21ThcNxqPPmcqYqT0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.140 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: The Oz Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DAB+ radio is celebrating its official first birthday in Oz next month. Some people here seemed to want me to put up a recording of how it sounds. I simply don't know how to. All I can say is that it's like digital TV - either you get perfect reception or you don't. DAB+ sounds exactly the same as what you listen to on an iPod. And that's good enough for me. What follows is my response to the Program Director of what used to be Magic 693 - Melbourne's last very successful AM stereo station. Hi Gary >>> Regarding your question about soundtracks: They tend to really polarize the audience, with very little middle ground unless of course there is a "hit" version of the song. The people who listen to Showtime on Sunday night love it, but the majority do not. We get a LOT of negative comments about it, but we still think it's a worthwhile exercise. Hmmmm .... Yes I understand that you may do other polling, and maybe the majority of listeners don't want to be hearing Marni Nixon singing "I Could Have Danced All Night" every few days. Or for that matter, the finale to Oklahoma! But ... you should try and remember what made the majority of 3MP's huge audience (14.5%) chose the new station Magic over 3MP when programming had to be split in 1994. Magic played what would still now be considered more "daggy" music and it won! Please don't take Magic any more to the middle of the road. If necessary, do play more hit versions of show music. They were top selling lasting hits ... just like everything else that you're supposed to play. Btw ... it's wonderful to see Magic rating so well lately. Hey - if you can get to 7.4% (half AW's audience) I reckon you'd have a great argument for convincing the talkback boffins-in charge (Mott et al) to finance some more PAMS jingles. I still miss them heaps. Gary - I think you run a class station. But as a dial twiddler from way back I sometimes get frustrated at the end of each hour. I might hear the fantastic Rick Ditchburn - at three minutes to - give a quick pun or something ... and then realise that we won't hear any further music for another nine or more minutes. Nobody likes ads. But couldn't you move some around? I'm not saying ... all the time. Just sometimes. You don't want to appear to be too predictable. Just sometimes ... couldn't a greatest hit of all time finish six seconds prior to the pips? >>> By the way Ian, I just looked back on our last exchange, which was just over 12 months ago and dealt with digital radio just prior to launch. Did you buy one? And if so, how's it going? Great! I now have four digital radios. Three of them are sensational ... especially Sangean's DPR-34+. I never leave home without it! The absolute dog was the iRiver B30 which is supposedly a portable thingo which tries to be too many things to too many people. It's NOT for digital radio people. Given the slightest movement the sound intermittently drops out even with the aerial up. I've recently heard Sanyo advertise another personal DAB+ radio. I'll buy that too if the price is right. It's so different to the wonky launch of AM stereo in 1985. In those days I bought two Sangean SR66's because they were the only AM stereo "walkman" available in Oz. After some years I had to buy several Sony SRF-42s (and later other Sonys) from America and Japan just to keep listening to Magic 693 in hi-fi stereo. It seems to me that DAB+ radio will succeed in Oz. And as an AM music station Magic is there to make a meal of it. I reckon you need to promote it as much as possible. Give some away!!! But ... remember your roots. The core of your listeners preferred daggy to contemporary easy listening music. Please keep hitting us with those well orchestrated strange but popular hits. cheers Ian - the best listener of all time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Fri Jul 16 03:20:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47454 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2010 10:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2010 10:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f172.google.com) (209.85.214.172) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2010 10:20:45 -0000 X-Received: by mail-iw0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 38so1822801iwn.3 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:20:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.144.75 with SMTP id y11mr758861ibu.15.1279275645438; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:20:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.193.20 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:20:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <989996.78974.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <241692.14324.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:20:45 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.172 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Oz Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=ehWSS2cNjgGFaBLHJ9UWILkn2vf3CwFytEzxx-bdeFD3bHvU X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ian, there are some recordings here http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=3D80200 They compare FM and DAB+. The short of it is that the sound quality depends on the bitrate. Hope this helps, Dan On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ian Davidson wr= ote: > > > > DAB+ radio is celebrating its official first birthday in Oz next month. > > Some people here seemed to want me to put up a recording of how it sounds= . > I simply don't know how to. All I can say is that it's like digital TV - > either you get perfect reception or you don't. > > DAB+ sounds exactly the same as what you listen to on an iPod. And that's > good enough for me. > > What follows is my response to the Program Director of what used to be > Magic > 693 - Melbourne's last very successful AM stereo station. > > > Hi Gary > > >>> Regarding your question about soundtracks: They tend to really polari= ze > the audience, with very little middle ground unless of course there is a > "hit" version of the song. The people who listen to Showtime on Sunday > night > love it, but the majority do not. We get a LOT of negative comments about > it, but we still think it's a worthwhile exercise. > > Hmmmm .... Yes I understand that you may do other polling, and maybe the > majority of listeners don't want to be hearing Marni Nixon singing "I Cou= ld > Have Danced All Night" every few days. Or for that matter, the finale to > Oklahoma! > > But ... you should try and remember what made the majority of 3MP's huge > audience (14.5%) chose the new station Magic over 3MP when programming ha= d > to be split in 1994. > > Magic played what would still now be considered more "daggy" music and it > won! > > Please don't take Magic any more to the middle of the road. If necessary, > do play more hit versions of show music. They were top selling lasting hi= ts > ... just like everything else that you're supposed to play. > > Btw ... it's wonderful to see Magic rating so well lately. Hey - if you c= an > get to 7.4% (half AW's audience) I reckon you'd have a great argument for > convincing the talkback boffins-in charge (Mott et al) to finance some mo= re > PAMS jingles. I still miss them heaps. > > Gary - I think you run a class station. But as a dial twiddler from way > back I sometimes get frustrated at the end of each hour. I might hear the > fantastic Rick Ditchburn - at three minutes to - give a quick pun or > something ... and then realise that we won't hear any further music for > another nine or more minutes. Nobody likes ads. But couldn't you move som= e > around? I'm not saying ... all the time. Just sometimes. You don't want > to appear to be too predictable. Just sometimes ... couldn't a greatest h= it > of all time finish six seconds prior to the pips? > > >>> By the way Ian, I just looked back on our last exchange, which was ju= st > over 12 months ago and dealt with digital radio just prior to launch. Did > you buy one? And if so, how's it going? > > Great! I now have four digital radios. Three of them are sensational ... > especially Sangean's DPR-34+. I never leave home without it! > > The absolute dog was the iRiver B30 which is supposedly a portable thingo > which tries to be too many things to too many people. It's NOT for digita= l > radio people. Given the slightest movement the sound intermittently drops > out even with the aerial up. I've recently heard Sanyo advertise another > personal DAB+ radio. I'll buy that too if the price is right. > > It's so different to the wonky launch of AM stereo in 1985. In those days= I > bought two Sangean SR66's because they were the only AM stereo "walkman" > available in Oz. After some years I had to buy several Sony SRF-42s (and > later other Sonys) from America and Japan just to keep listening to Magic > 693 in hi-fi stereo. > > It seems to me that DAB+ radio will succeed in Oz. And as an AM music > station Magic is there to make a meal of it. I reckon you need to promote > it as much as possible. Give some away!!! > > But ... remember your roots. The core of your listeners preferred daggy t= o > contemporary easy listening music. Please keep hitting us with those well > orchestrated strange but popular hits. > > cheers > > Ian - the best listener of all time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jul 16 10:18:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59593 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2010 17:18:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2010 17:18:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2010 17:18:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2010 17:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2010 17:17:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:17:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.137 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Oz Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=qmj5DDBNNd9R-cSTD_JXl1n-Pn4diuQFk7fVeGxtx-BtTxgtVw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 ??? The links of that page don't work ("files not found") ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hi Ian, >=20 > there are some recordings here > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=3D80200 >=20 > They compare FM and > DAB+. The short of it is that the sound quality depends on the bitrate. >=20 > Hope this helps, >=20 > Dan >=20 > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ian Davidson wrote: >=20 > > > > > > > > DAB+ radio is celebrating its official first birthday in Oz next month. > > > > Some people here seemed to want me to put up a recording of how it soun= ds. > > I simply don't know how to. All I can say is that it's like digital TV = - > > either you get perfect reception or you don't. > > > > DAB+ sounds exactly the same as what you listen to on an iPod. And that= 's > > good enough for me. > > > > What follows is my response to the Program Director of what used to be > > Magic > > 693 - Melbourne's last very successful AM stereo station. > > > > > > Hi Gary > > > > >>> Regarding your question about soundtracks: They tend to really pola= rize > > the audience, with very little middle ground unless of course there is = a > > "hit" version of the song. The people who listen to Showtime on Sunday > > night > > love it, but the majority do not. We get a LOT of negative comments abo= ut > > it, but we still think it's a worthwhile exercise. > > > > Hmmmm .... Yes I understand that you may do other polling, and maybe th= e > > majority of listeners don't want to be hearing Marni Nixon singing "I C= ould > > Have Danced All Night" every few days. Or for that matter, the finale t= o > > Oklahoma! > > > > But ... you should try and remember what made the majority of 3MP's hug= e > > audience (14.5%) chose the new station Magic over 3MP when programming = had > > to be split in 1994. > > > > Magic played what would still now be considered more "daggy" music and = it > > won! > > > > Please don't take Magic any more to the middle of the road. If necessar= y, > > do play more hit versions of show music. They were top selling lasting = hits > > ... just like everything else that you're supposed to play. > > > > Btw ... it's wonderful to see Magic rating so well lately. Hey - if you= can > > get to 7.4% (half AW's audience) I reckon you'd have a great argument f= or > > convincing the talkback boffins-in charge (Mott et al) to finance some = more > > PAMS jingles. I still miss them heaps. > > > > Gary - I think you run a class station. But as a dial twiddler from way > > back I sometimes get frustrated at the end of each hour. I might hear t= he > > fantastic Rick Ditchburn - at three minutes to - give a quick pun or > > something ... and then realise that we won't hear any further music for > > another nine or more minutes. Nobody likes ads. But couldn't you move s= ome > > around? I'm not saying ... all the time. Just sometimes. You don't want > > to appear to be too predictable. Just sometimes ... couldn't a greatest= hit > > of all time finish six seconds prior to the pips? > > > > >>> By the way Ian, I just looked back on our last exchange, which was = just > > over 12 months ago and dealt with digital radio just prior to launch. D= id > > you buy one? And if so, how's it going? > > > > Great! I now have four digital radios. Three of them are sensational ..= . > > especially Sangean's DPR-34+. I never leave home without it! > > > > The absolute dog was the iRiver B30 which is supposedly a portable thin= go > > which tries to be too many things to too many people. It's NOT for digi= tal > > radio people. Given the slightest movement the sound intermittently dro= ps > > out even with the aerial up. I've recently heard Sanyo advertise anothe= r > > personal DAB+ radio. I'll buy that too if the price is right. > > > > It's so different to the wonky launch of AM stereo in 1985. In those da= ys I > > bought two Sangean SR66's because they were the only AM stereo "walkman= " > > available in Oz. After some years I had to buy several Sony SRF-42s (an= d > > later other Sonys) from America and Japan just to keep listening to Mag= ic > > 693 in hi-fi stereo. > > > > It seems to me that DAB+ radio will succeed in Oz. And as an AM music > > station Magic is there to make a meal of it. I reckon you need to promo= te > > it as much as possible. Give some away!!! > > > > But ... remember your roots. The core of your listeners preferred daggy= to > > contemporary easy listening music. Please keep hitting us with those we= ll > > orchestrated strange but popular hits. > > > > cheers > > > > Ian - the best listener of all time. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jul 16 10:23:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84503 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2010 17:23:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2010 17:23:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2010 17:23:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2010 17:23:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2010 17:23:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:23:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e401cb244a$37e31580$6600000a@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.137 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=A_C1OqrHYgLPz902qt56cn-JSa7yCCs0U9aIHgdT7cju8YUOow X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Music license fees are still "cheap" here in Chile, so... you can install a= n station here!!! Hahahahaha!!! Sorry, there is a bad new: our local chilean "FCC" (SUBTEL) doesn't give li= cense to non-chilean people. The only one way would be if you join (associa= ting) with some chilean guy who has, at least, the 70% of the station alrea= dy works. Chilean rules and laws, sorry. Thanks Scott because the VOA data. I'll look for them in the web. BTW, ISB AM Stereo works at any band, Nobody proposed to the FCC to use C-Q= UAM at MW and ISB at SW? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Want to make a bet? Even FMs are going talk and sports for two principle= reasons- format popularity and increasingly expensive music license fees. >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Jota=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:48 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > However, the AM broadcasters have some part of the fault, too: the very= bad today format!!! >=20 > If USA people could have enough AM Stereo tuners, nobody would want to = listen news, sports, boring conversations and "infomercials" 24 hours a day= , 7 days a week. >=20 > MW NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE MUSIC, FULL MUSIC, STEREO MUSIC, BEAUTIFUL= MUSIC, NOW!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jul 16 16:04:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77836 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2010 23:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2010 23:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2010 23:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2010 23:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2010 23:04:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:04:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.28 From: "Jota" Subject: Receiver Pioneer SX-820, an AM Stereo rarity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=WMwPlpwaeXrQRGqjA-06X2o6mdvssABPAyqvdHLDuyeUCVte_A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Sailing the web, looking for this and that, I found a very rare early case = of AM Stereo: The PIONEER SX-820 STEREO RECEIVER. This unit has and AM STEREO output, which is post the IF filter. I don't have this unit and I never knew it before today. I want to have one= of this, because I think it is so good to any kind of AM Stereo decoder ci= rcuit. Any data about it, please let me know. If someone is interesting on it, I have the service manual, but I couldn't = upload it to the Files Menu, because it is large. But I can send you to you= r e-mail directly. Just ask me. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Jul 16 22:02:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53119 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2010 05:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2010 05:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f176.google.com) (74.125.83.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2010 05:02:23 -0000 X-Received: by pvc21 with SMTP id 21so1301045pvc.7 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:02:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.193.19 with SMTP id q19mr2709209wff.268.1279342942390; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l29sm14076772rvb.7.2010.07.16.22.02.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:02:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7480 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.176 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Pioneer SX-820, an AM Stereo rarity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=sw-JjLdyvylb8pBSYam74d8j07boCUT23twNf1pc7BIlo_ps-JzX X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can I get the service manual? hanksmith5@gmail.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: {AMSF} Receiver Pioneer SX-820, an AM Stereo rarity =20=20=20=20 Hi Gang!!! Sailing the web, looking for this and that, I found a very rare early cas= e of AM Stereo: The PIONEER SX-820 STEREO RECEIVER. This unit has and AM STEREO output, which is post the IF filter. I don't have this unit and I never knew it before today. I want to have o= ne of this, because I think it is so good to any kind of AM Stereo decoder = circuit. Any data about it, please let me know. If someone is interesting on it, I have the service manual, but I couldn'= t upload it to the Files Menu, because it is large. But I can send you to y= our e-mail directly. Just ask me. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 5283 (20100716) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5283 (20100716) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From awhichello@ieee.org Sat Jul 17 01:18:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: whichello@velocitynet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39431 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2010 08:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2010 08:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO m0.velocity.net.au) (203.17.154.50) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2010 08:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (152.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au [122.49.202.152]) by m0.velocity.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A763602B8 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:18:18 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4C416741.2010707@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:18:09 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1279353816.1910.21430.m2@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1279353816.1910.21430.m2@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.17.154.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: apw From: apw Reply-To: awhichello@ieee.org Subject: Re: The Oz Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=VdiU9Y-5NsQy0IEf7TXDAgAfkFro_kjAago8nGhzUhLp0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 > > > ??? The links of that page don't work ("files not found") ??? > Try this one for an AM stereo vs DAB+ http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=9556 A. From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Jul 17 01:35:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39495 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2010 08:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2010 08:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2010 08:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2010 08:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2010 08:35:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:35:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.2.186 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Receiver Pioneer SX-820 an AM Stereo rarity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=vb-VoM9Flc_lS1CVxJhTvcTZAYB3-Tprf4suU9dY6GCw56SlxJqJ X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello Juan, You write: >Sailing the web, looking for this and that, I found a very rare >early case of AM Stereo: The PIONEER SX-820 STEREO RECEIVER. >=20 >This unit has and AM STEREO output, which is post the IF filter. Pioneer SX-820 is the same as the SX-3700 in the states. FYI -- the entire manual-tuned AM tuner is built with discrete components, without using any IC chip. This is a step away from their other receiver designs of that era, which typically used a Hitachi AM "tuner on a chip." There is indeed a buffered AM stereo I.F output on the rear panel of receiver. This output is taken after the SX-3700's first I.F. transformer and prior to the AM ceramic filter. Sincerely, meduci, LLC Jeff Deck http://meduci.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jul 17 10:49:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58612 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2010 17:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2010 17:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2010 17:49:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2010 17:49:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2010 17:49:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:49:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.116 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Receiver Pioneer SX-820 an AM Stereo rarity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=u8saAA_owwect-SiIITB1458rKTg64gqN4egs_TL9yzooyUzbg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I guess it is the ideal tuner to your decoder card. If you know about one of this, please let me know. BTW, Can somebody get more room to this forum FILES Menu? I want to upload = the service manual but I can't because the file is more than 5 MB long! ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wro= te: > > Hello Juan, > You write: > >Sailing the web, looking for this and that, I found a very rare > >early case of AM Stereo: The PIONEER SX-820 STEREO RECEIVER. > >=20 > >This unit has and AM STEREO output, which is post the IF filter. >=20 > Pioneer SX-820 is the same as the SX-3700 in the states. FYI -- > the entire manual-tuned AM tuner is built with discrete components, > without using any IC chip. This is a step away from their other > receiver designs of that era, which typically used a Hitachi > AM "tuner on a chip." >=20 > There is indeed a buffered AM stereo I.F output on the rear > panel of receiver. This output is taken after the SX-3700's first > I.F. transformer and prior to the AM ceramic filter. >=20 > Sincerely, > meduci, LLC >=20 > Jeff Deck > http://meduci.com > From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jul 17 13:12:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89619 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2010 20:03:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2010 20:03:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2010 20:03:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6HK3F8m003610 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:03:16 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e3d.552b1e0 (37590) for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:03:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m20.mail.aol.com (magic-m20.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.193]) by cia-mb06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB063-92d64c420c7f46; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:03:11 -0400 Message-ID: <4b665.3754f097.3973667f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:03:11 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.193 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Oz Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6fVvlHL_N2h5jl4ULgBTqnxhwA6qD2STGZlOjkLs54HRmQlXaQDUGTZt2Zo85G-z X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/2010 5:06:46 AM Central Daylight Time, ian.davidson9@bigpond.com writes: > Magic > 693 - Melbourne's last very successful AM stereo station. > You might suggest he needs to tweak his carrier frequency a might to the correct 690. :) This is just an aside question, but is there hate (excuse me, talk) radio in Australia or is that a U.S. phenomenon? Things like accusing the PM of actually being born in Hawaii and a capitalist? I assume by international convention, Aussie stations have to pay music licensing fees just like the U.S.. Is this true? I am wondering as the U.S. has a Second Amendment to its Constituion that give citizens the right to shot themselves in the foot as charging music licensing fees seems to be. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jul 17 19:20:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15292 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2010 02:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2010 02:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2010 02:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2010 02:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2010 02:19:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 02:19:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.138 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Pioneer SX-820, an AM Stereo rarity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pS6QelJ88s8n0Au4KyjnzVbnRTXNZ-DJvwN7DgULwN4Ol3BmmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Did you receive my mail with the manual? ??? I sent you to your supposed ya= hoo account. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > can I get the service manual? > hanksmith5@... > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Jota=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 4:04 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Receiver Pioneer SX-820, an AM Stereo rarity >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Sailing the web, looking for this and that, I found a very rare early c= ase of AM Stereo: The PIONEER SX-820 STEREO RECEIVER. >=20 > This unit has and AM STEREO output, which is post the IF filter. >=20 > I don't have this unit and I never knew it before today. I want to have= one of this, because I think it is so good to any kind of AM Stereo decode= r circuit. Any data about it, please let me know. >=20 > If someone is interesting on it, I have the service manual, but I could= n't upload it to the Files Menu, because it is large. But I can send you to= your e-mail directly. Just ask me. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature database 5283 (20100716) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 5283 (20100716) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Jul 17 19:57:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81418 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2010 02:57:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2010 02:57:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2010 02:57:07 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6I2v5CY002418 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:57:05 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bbb.705f2f32 (37103) for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:57:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB081-5c384c426d7b36b; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:57:00 -0400 X-Received: from web-mmc-d05 (web-mmc-d05.sim.aol.com [205.188.103.95]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB026-5c384c426d7b36b; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:56:59 -0400 References: <3638e.df3da33.39703199@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:56:59 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.185.159.22 In-Reply-To: <3638e.df3da33.39703199@aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 32213-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.159.22 by web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.95) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:56:59 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCF43C065167B1-F9C-25133@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=m7QnDJkZgrhcIN1yPnCtps01SKHyVUWOvsFeRxj30DFWQbDbK4dN X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Remember the little Blonder-Tongue converters I know the company. They're into antennas and things. My question is was there really a Mr. Tongue? Mike Sure there was Mike. Remember: ?"Ground control to Major Tongue ?Ground control to Major Tongue Take your protein pill & put your helmet on" (Sorry, I couldn't help it) Joe -----Original Message----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:41 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands In a message dated 7/14/2010 9:22:28 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Remember the little Blonder-Tongue converters I know the company. They're into antennas and things. My question is was there really a Mr. Tongue? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jul 17 20:48:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79091 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2010 03:47:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2010 03:47:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2010 03:47:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44222 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2010 03:47:35 -0000 Message-ID: <474614.43391.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fp73nFUVM1nZlpIW0VRQYig_hHYhLSMx0IT3NhEBy3a8rrL DjVN8wN77k0MDQeU6B.YKOOkNMiy8s4N9o9UXbyRVMUYfOR7NKfKQ7UGZqMH KAZ7WNVv3Q3I5Npduq1uOds9U96mTE8FUANDOSEH6CaTFS9EkoVArm.H0eK6 t07riIb3nJPR.9y6nLt0DFaNqXBuaOVWhgWIbgxJv9R36AggAtory77pBqrR Vk22qiuhNruMtOcma1.4GU7HwtqpmyUwgr0sqBQyZAYD1BHwUUXMA_Yn.ZRH aYmlfdxWQnuFZgC5rT4qzRWBKP18XdilTy.iKJmn3TyivqFh.nuUIt_lxFEx jXkT0PuSf1e8Tf6iSr7K5QGpGlM.GRqWs6nPkwTNu X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:47:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.2.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.276605 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:47:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CCF43C065167B1-F9C-25133@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PAOZ_i7yvg5zdlVlzone_QPtZ-TCK2AMAP9zYvHB0Bs8yQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hahahaha!...Thanks for the laugh, and yes, there IS a Mr. Tongue, who I bel= ieve contributed quite a bit to the science of...crystal sets! =C2=A0Check = it out on the XTAL Society website, to be sure. =C2=A0As I recall he wrote = some excellent and in depth articles on diode behavior. =C2=A0G --- On Sat, 7/17/10, jmrouse@mail.com wrote: From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 10:56 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 > Remember the little Blonder-Tongue converters=20=20 =20 I know the company. They're into antennas and things. My question is was = =20 there really a Mr. Tongue?=20 =20 Mike=20 Sure there was Mike. Remember: ?"Ground control to Major Tongue ?Ground control to Major Tongue Take your protein pill & put your helmet on" (Sorry, I couldn't help it) Joe =20 -----Original Message----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:41 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands In a message dated 7/14/2010 9:22:28 PM Central Daylight Time,=20=20 wlx1430@yahoo.com writes:=20 =20 =20 > Remember the little Blonder-Tongue converters=20=20 =20 I know the company. They're into antennas and things. My question is was = =20 there really a Mr. Tongue?=20 =20 Mike=20 =20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 =20 =20 =20 ------------------------------------=20 =20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at:=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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It became 1377. Magic's was a new licence (for 3EE) in the early 90s and started as 693, but has since swapped with its higher rating sister station 3AW on 1278. All AM frequencies in Oz are divisible by nine - and if you add their numbers together they usually equal 18, but occasionally 9. eg. 1+3+7+7 = 18 6+9+3 = 18 1+2+7+8 = 18 1+0+2+6 = 9 6+2+1 = 9 > This is just an aside question, but is there hate (excuse me, talk) > radio in Australia or is that a U.S. phenomenon? Things like accusing > the PM of actually being born in Hawaii and a capitalist? Talk radio is very popular in Oz. It's usually pretty good, thanks to the Government-owned ABC owning one local talk station in each significant market. They all rate extremely well, and tend to keep the commercial talk stations fairly honest. In most markets the talk stations together generally get 30% of the ratings. Your talk of "hate" stations is a new phenomena in Melbourne. A few months ago Sydney's top rating station 2GB bought a half share in Melbourne's Easy Music 3MP and turned it into a far right talk station which does nothing but bag the current Labor (non-conservative) government. To me it sounds like a radio version of Fox News - anything but "fair and balanced". It is very well done. The owners even admitted that they're trying to set their listeners up as victims and blame the government for all their woes. It's quite disappointing, yet I am pleased that Melbourne now does have three 24 hour talk stations (like Sydney has) plus we have two 24 hour sports stations as well. We have a federal election on 21 August. It will be interesting to see what MTR 1377 does afterwards, as at the moment it does sound like a 24/7 ad for the very misnamed "Liberal Party". > I assume by international convention, Aussie stations have to pay > music licensing fees just like the U.S.. Is this true? I am wondering as the > U.S. has a Second Amendment to its Constitution that give citizens the right > to shot themselves in the foot as charging music licensing fees seems to be. Yes - all music played on Oz radio is licenced to ARIA. Commercial stations have to pay a small percentage of their profits to ARIA. The ABC and community stations all pay some small negotiated fee to ARIA. I do voluntary work at community station 3GDR and everything played seems to have an ARIA serial number. It seems to work OK. cheers Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Jul 18 01:55:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78538 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2010 08:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2010 08:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f181.google.com) (74.125.83.181) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2010 08:55:20 -0000 X-Received: by pvg2 with SMTP id 2so1884420pvg.26 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.127.9 with SMTP id z9mr4476460wfc.193.1279443259702; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k25sm15530537rvb.4.2010.07.18.01.54.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:54:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7488 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.181 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Pioneer SX-820, an AM Stereo rarity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=7JGVMxAK0gvJcaKdHzKOjJmNmS-YnGElbiqxyeEXZBSbvxjINcW1 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no please send to hanksmith5@gmail.com my yahoo account was fore the groups I haven;t used my mail account on ther= e fore years. hth Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Pioneer SX-820, an AM Stereo rarity =20=20=20=20 Did you receive my mail with the manual? ??? I sent you to your supposed = yahoo account. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote= : > > can I get the service manual? > hanksmith5@... > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Jota=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 4:04 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Receiver Pioneer SX-820, an AM Stereo rarity >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Sailing the web, looking for this and that, I found a very rare early c= ase of AM Stereo: The PIONEER SX-820 STEREO RECEIVER. >=20 > This unit has and AM STEREO output, which is post the IF filter. >=20 > I don't have this unit and I never knew it before today. I want to have= one of this, because I think it is so good to any kind of AM Stereo decode= r circuit. Any data about it, please let me know. >=20 > If someone is interesting on it, I have the service manual, but I could= n't upload it to the Files Menu, because it is large. But I can send you to= your e-mail directly. Just ask me. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature database 5283 (20100716) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sign= ature database 5283 (20100716) __________ >=20 > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >=20 > http://www.eset.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signat= ure database 5287 (20100717) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5287 (20100717) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Jul 18 05:03:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53717 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2010 12:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2010 12:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f170.google.com) (209.85.214.170) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2010 12:03:39 -0000 X-Received: by iwn36 with SMTP id 36so3336040iwn.15 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 05:03:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.30.129 with SMTP id u1mr4062017ibc.63.1279454618759; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 05:03:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.193.20 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 05:03:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C416741.2010707@velocitynet.com.au> References: <1279353816.1910.21430.m2@yahoogroups.com> <4C416741.2010707@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:03:38 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Oz Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=hmhH4UFiXpQf2fe_oEf3Wh6aLucs7K7J3QKhIa8uWO-Qf3XR X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The links on the posts further down work. On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 4:18 PM, apw wrote: > > > > > > > > > ??? The links of that page don't work ("files not found") ??? > > > > Try this one for an AM stereo vs DAB+ > > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?act=3Dattach&type=3Dpost&id=3D9556 > > A. >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 10:27:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29134 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2010 17:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2010 17:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2010 17:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2010 17:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2010 17:27:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:27:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <23A15775AB2E427387C015BC08139AD9@seagull> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.98 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Oz Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=SXf0Z0qg8ZV4Zk7KsJq8wzaaziWb96MvGXk-y4SI932RzfmpcA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I hope you don't have the typical problem we had in the 1990's decade when = the "digital" tuners were a very strong fashion: Chile always has used the = 10 kHz spacing system, but a lot of tuners had 9 kHz spacing only. "My" station is so lucky about this because our frecuency is useful in both= system: 1260 kHz. But we had a "nearby" at 1450 kHz and the tuners couldn'= t tune it well (the nearest possibility is 1449 kHz). Even today we can find some wrong tuner here, from time to time. I've never understood why nobody did, and do, nothing with this issue here. Why not to get all the world at 10 kHz? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wr= ote: > >=20=20 > From: mjgrant=20 >=20=20 > > You might suggest he needs to tweak his carrier frequency a might=20 > > to the correct 690. :) >=20 >=20=20 > G'day Mike >=20=20 > All AM frequencies were altered from 10Khz to 9Khz spacing in the late 70= s. >=20=20 > eg. 3MP commenced in 1975 on 1380. It became 1377. >=20=20 > Magic's was a new licence (for 3EE) in the early 90s and started as 693, = but > has since swapped with its higher rating sister station 3AW on 1278. All= AM > frequencies in Oz are divisible by nine - and if you add their numbers > together they usually equal 18, but occasionally 9. >=20=20 > eg. 1+3+7+7 =3D 18 6+9+3 =3D 18 1+2+7+8 =3D 18 1+0+2+6 =3D 9 6+2+1= =3D 9 >=20=20 >=20=20 > > This is just an aside question, but is there hate (excuse me, talk)=20 > > radio in Australia or is that a U.S. phenomenon? Things like accusing= =20 > > the PM of actually being born in Hawaii and a capitalist? >=20=20 > Talk radio is very popular in Oz. It's usually pretty good, thanks to th= e > Government-owned ABC owning one local talk station in each significant > market. They all rate extremely well, and tend to keep the commercial ta= lk > stations fairly honest. In most markets the talk stations together > generally get 30% of the ratings. >=20=20 > Your talk of "hate" stations is a new phenomena in Melbourne. A few mont= hs > ago Sydney's top rating station 2GB bought a half share in Melbourne's Ea= sy > Music 3MP and turned it into a far right talk station which does nothing = but > bag the current Labor (non-conservative) government. To me it sounds lik= e a > radio version of Fox News - anything but "fair and balanced". It is very > well done. The owners even admitted that they're trying to set their > listeners up as victims and blame the government for all their woes. It'= s > quite disappointing, yet I am pleased that Melbourne now does have three = 24 > hour talk stations (like Sydney has) plus we have two 24 hour sports > stations as well. >=20=20 > We have a federal election on 21 August. It will be interesting to see w= hat > MTR 1377 does afterwards, as at the moment it does sound like a 24/7 ad f= or > the very misnamed "Liberal Party". >=20=20 >=20 > > I assume by international convention, Aussie stations have to pay=20 > > music licensing fees just like the U.S.. Is this true? I am wondering a= s > the=20 > > U.S. has a Second Amendment to its Constitution that give citizens the > right=20 > > to shot themselves in the foot as charging music licensing fees seems t= o > be. >=20 > Yes - all music played on Oz radio is licenced to ARIA. Commercial stati= ons > have to pay a small percentage of their profits to ARIA. The ABC and > community stations all pay some small negotiated fee to ARIA. I do > voluntary work at community station 3GDR and everything played seems to h= ave > an ARIA serial number. It seems to work OK. >=20=20 > cheers >=20=20 > Ian > Melbourne=20=20=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Jul 18 13:23:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64212 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2010 20:09:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2010 20:09:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2010 20:09:38 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6IK9ZJW026598 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:09:35 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e4f.719618c (37688) for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:09:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB084-5baa4c435f77153; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:09:30 -0400 X-Received: from web-mmc-d05 (web-mmc-d05.sim.aol.com [205.188.103.95]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA011-5baa4c435f77153; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:09:27 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:09:26 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.185.159.22 In-Reply-To: <474614.43391.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 32213-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.159.22 by web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.95) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:09:26 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCF4CC41EE25A2-F9C-284D7@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=TTpaRnr5jP3DPh0ydjniXew2tb5XSctEi-powFRr6Chn5RswiPTN X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kewl beans! I always had a lot of fun with crystal sets as a kid. They always facinated me as to how such a simple circuit could bring in stations from hundreds (some times thousands) of miles away at night. And the sound quality!! I hooked mine up to a tube amplified phonograph. From that point forward, NO ONE could convince me that AM was NOT a high fidelity medium. Even during thunder storms, they were quite listenable. Ah yes, they were the days. Thank you George for the update. Joe -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:47 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands Hahahaha!...Thanks for the laugh, and yes, there IS a Mr. Tongue, who I believe contributed quite a bit to the science of...crystal sets! Check it out on the XTAL Society website, to be sure. As I recall he wrote some excellent and in depth articles on diode behavior. G --- On Sat, 7/17/10, jmrouse@mail.com wrote: From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 10:56 PM > Remember the little Blonder-Tongue converters I know the company. They're into antennas and things. My question is was there really a Mr. Tongue? Mike Sure there was Mike. Remember: ?"Ground control to Major Tongue ?Ground control to Major Tongue Take your protein pill & put your helmet on" (Sorry, I couldn't help it) Joe -----Original Message----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:41 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands In a message dated 7/14/2010 9:22:28 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Remember the little Blonder-Tongue converters I know the company. They're into antennas and things. My question is was there really a Mr. Tongue? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join (Yahoo! ID required) amstereoforum-digest@yahoogroups.com amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join (Yahoo! 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If you already have the Pioneer tuner, then I would buy one of the converto= r boards.=20=20 If you don't, I have a digital AMStereo CQUAM tuner I'm going to sell soon,= but it's 10KHz steps (up to 1620) and runs on 120VAC/60Hz -dont' know if t= hat would work for you? It would work even better if you were to replace i= ts '1st generation' AM stereo chip with the 3rd generation convertor board = he's selling. 73's/Regards, John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Did you receive my mail with the manual? ??? I sent you to your supposed = yahoo account. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jul 18 19:32:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11503 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2010 02:31:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2010 02:31:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2010 02:31:56 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6J2VKja021045 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:31:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e92.4935574 (55832) for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:31:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d21.mail.aol.com (magic-d21.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.137]) by cia-md06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD061-da184c43b8f62a3; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:31:18 -0400 Message-ID: <57abe.14216fd5.397512f6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:31:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.137 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=LEGZdH7ka-vu5asKOd5Wui12LassmEUMaxfvOb4Il5M1mxxwwAh3gE1vRMZ2PiOe X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/18/2010 3:23:34 PM Central Daylight Time, jmrouse@mail.com writes: > that AM was NOT a high fidelity medium. WLW and stations like KSTP pioneered high fidelity AM. Back in the 40s and 50s there were tube high fidelity tuners, much more so than today. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Jul 18 21:33:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81074 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2010 04:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2010 04:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2010 04:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6J4OUuU001949 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:24:30 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bbc.657a9755 (37579) for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:24:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.3]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB054-d3a34c43d3756f; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:24:25 -0400 X-Received: from web-mmc-d05 (web-mmc-d05.sim.aol.com [205.188.103.95]) by smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC033-d3a34c43d3756f; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:24:21 -0400 References: <57abe.14216fd5.397512f6@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:24:21 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.185.159.22 In-Reply-To: <57abe.14216fd5.397512f6@aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 32213-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.159.22 by web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.95) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:24:21 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCF5116575E87E-F9C-29105@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=xeLcWZYfhJrLio7avY_PrqhB_-9nfTe8vVonptGhYAelHx3LPK2M X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is what I was trying to communicate in the post. Many people said AM is (was) not a high fidelity medium. Those old crystal sets, hooked up to a high quality amp & speakers proved their statements to be incorrect as far as I was concerned. Speaking of the old high fidelity tuners, could you possibly mention any you may know of? I have heard of the old J.W. Miller bypass crystal set, but I would be very interested in learning of the tube sets as well. Thanks for your help. Joe P.S. were they TRF or super heterodyne circuits? -----Original Message----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:31 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands In a message dated 7/18/2010 3:23:34 PM Central Daylight Time, jmrouse@mail.com writes: > that AM was NOT a high fidelity medium. WLW and stations like KSTP pioneered high fidelity AM. Back in the 40s and 50s there were tube high fidelity tuners, much more so than today. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join (Yahoo! 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My RCA 16C is good for 15 kHz before it starts to roll off. > P.S. were they TRF or super heterodyne circuits? > Superhet. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 14:15:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19864 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2010 21:02:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2010 21:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2010 21:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2010 20:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2010 20:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2010 20:57:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:57:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.45 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Pioneer SX-820, an AM Stereo rarity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1Ar0h2b5Av-BFwgTq7dmGzoXVYStX4usYVAL70BbhUHl73o36g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Chile has always used 10 kHz spacing in AM. I'm waiting for a helping money our local goverments promised to our "re-co= nstruction" after the mega-earthquake to buy some things (like the stereo c= onverter card and the C-QUAM exciter). So, please, patience!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Juan, do you have 10KHz spacing or 9KHz spacing in Chile? > If you already have the Pioneer tuner, then I would buy one of the conver= tor boards.=20=20 > If you don't, I have a digital AMStereo CQUAM tuner I'm going to sell soo= n, but it's 10KHz steps (up to 1620) and runs on 120VAC/60Hz -dont' know if= that would work for you? It would work even better if you were to replace= its '1st generation' AM stereo chip with the 3rd generation convertor boar= d he's selling. > 73's/Regards, > John >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > > > Did you receive my mail with the manual? ??? I sent you to your suppose= d yahoo account. > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 14:24:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79644 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2010 21:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2010 21:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2010 21:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2010 21:10:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2010 21:10:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:10:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CCF5116575E87E-F9C-29105@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.45 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HuYF7Kni8qUFJtEhT0skrqjZBdmCISRcvni0YmCkwjyvracTCw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 There is more than one "exception to the rule" today. Some Sony car radios = has DSP boards and you can get almost full HI-FI sound from the AM band. My= Philips DC688 is a car AM Stereo tuner with a superb wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide= audio bandwidth, but it is from 1988. My Philips W-7320 radiocassette has = a very very wiiiiiiiide audio bandwidth too, but it is from 1998. I don't k= now if Philips is still making good AM tuners, today. Of course, I remember so well my old Grundig and Heathkit mega-tuners (all = tubes inside)... other ages!!! The only one problem is... Where can we get = those tubes today? BTW, my old Heathkit AJ-30 has an Stereo output board and indicator connect= ed to both the FM and AM stage so I suspect it is intended to decode some A= M Stereo signal but I don't know if there was some AM Stereo system at that= years. Some idea? GOD BLES YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jmrouse@... wrote: > > That is what I was trying to communicate in the post. Many people said A= M is (was) not a high fidelity medium. Those old crystal sets, hooked up t= o a high quality amp & speakers proved their statements to be incorrect as = far as I was concerned. >=20 > Speaking of the old high fidelity tuners, could you possibly mention any = you may know of? I have heard of the old J.W. Miller bypass crystal set, b= ut I would be very interested in learning of the tube sets as well. >=20 > Thanks for your help. > Joe >=20 > P.S. were they TRF or super heterodyne circuits? >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: mjgrant@... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:31 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 7/18/2010 3:23:34 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 >=20 > jmrouse@... writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > that AM was NOT a high fidelity medium. >=20 >=20 >=20 > WLW and stations like KSTP pioneered high fidelity AM. Back in the 40s a= nd=20 >=20 > 50s there were tube high fidelity tuners, much more so than today.=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > Individual Email | Traditional >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join >=20 > (Yahoo! ID required) >=20 >=20 >=20 > amstereoforum-digest@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 > amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 18:50:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27496 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2010 01:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2010 01:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2010 01:50:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36054 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2010 01:50:23 -0000 Message-ID: <224463.18121.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RCShgPgVM1kSM15qR._zuR0N5cDM2KJadqKvl883TiUwOXu YBEL1UpNFoHdLkzu3tiDqAr1paPwM.EEuEQnSEYZ.L7y7almNX217.CXoLjI oFDFuLOs8N78k039cUZ6gXtH6iskwL964p8pzqNG5BE7TPR6xVqtIqfmnM7S pOotKKyjgQzib8sO6AhWCuLwlsf7NnfpFXrbE.qgppGgH9qoMKcmdgp_ZQOa XLbPhP5lEDngt1xbPG4DZCGkWE9RiOVXoEML5svODQlAqPZJuhz5VXW2eJ.G mGLxmH.VfeusR1WoBz8trcViW.95Db0joYVdIGLOjYcN1Q.23Rp13CP9Pl07 zq5VFxtxUt0SraQ-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:50:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.2.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.276605 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:50:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CCF5116575E87E-F9C-29105@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Dc47m53-1LIWShAEg7gghDAvPSkSvT7VzgqUm_ZMbeeNBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Both Crosley and Fisher, maybe others, once built AM-only sets with (gulp!)= TWEETERS!Yup, a good crystal set could make a doubter's jaw drop, but only= if you can still find a truehigh-fidelity AM station...G --- On Mon, 7/19/10, jmrouse@mail.com wrote: From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 12:24 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 That is what I was trying to communicate in the post. Many people sa= id AM is (was) not a high fidelity medium. Those old crystal sets, hooked = up to a high quality amp & speakers proved their statements to be incorrect= as far as I was concerned. Speaking of the old high fidelity tuners, could you possibly mention any yo= u may know of? I have heard of the old J.W. Miller bypass crystal set, but= I would be very interested in learning of the tube sets as well. Thanks for your help. Joe P.S. were they TRF or super heterodyne circuits? -----Original Message----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:31 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands In a message dated 7/18/2010 3:23:34 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 jmrouse@mail.com writes: > that AM was NOT a high fidelity medium. WLW and stations like KSTP pioneered high fidelity AM. Back in the 40s and= =20 50s there were tube high fidelity tuners, much more so than today.=20=20 Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join (Yahoo! 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I always had a lot of fun with crystal sets as a kid. T= hey always facinated me as to how such a=20=20 simple circuit could bring in stations from hundreds (some times thousands)= of miles away at night. And the sound quality!! I hooked mine up to a tube amplified phonograph. From that poin= t forward, NO ONE could convince me=20 that AM was NOT a high fidelity medium. Even during thunder storms, they w= ere quite listenable. Ah yes, they were the days. Thank you George for the update. Joe -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:47 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands Hahahaha!...Thanks for the laugh, and yes, there IS a Mr. Tongue, who I bel= ieve=20 contributed quite a bit to the science of...crystal sets! Check it out on = the=20 XTAL Society website, to be sure. As I recall he wrote some excellent and = in=20 depth articles on diode behavior. G --- On Sat, 7/17/10, jmrouse@mail.com wrote: From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 10:56 PM > Remember the little Blonder-Tongue converters=20=20 I know the company. They're into antennas and things. My question is was = =20 there really a Mr. Tongue?=20 Mike=20 Sure there was Mike. Remember: ?"Ground control to Major Tongue ?Ground control to Major Tongue Take your protein pill & put your helmet on" (Sorry, I couldn't help it) Joe -----Original Message----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:41 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands In a message dated 7/14/2010 9:22:28 PM Central Daylight Time,=20=20 wlx1430@yahoo.com writes:=20 > Remember the little Blonder-Tongue converters=20=20 I know the company. They're into antennas and things. My question is was = =20 there really a Mr. Tongue?=20 Mike=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 ------------------------------------=20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at:=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/=20 Individual Email | Traditional=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join=20 (Yahoo! ID required)=20 amstereoforum-digest@yahoogroups.com=20=20 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com=20 amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com=20 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join (Yahoo! 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TWEETERS!Yup, a good crystal set could make a doubter's jaw drop, but > only if you can still find a truehigh-fidelity AM station...G > Heathkit made a couple of hi-fi AM only tuners. I own one. I don't know what its quantitative performance is, but my 1941 Zenith 10A1 sounds very good. That is when there is a good quality station to listen to. The same is true for the Delco AM Stereo Concert II in my Roadmaster. Unlike a couple of decades ago, there are precious few AM stations with a high quality signal. I only know of two. KCJJ in Iowa City and WLS in Chicago. Only one of those is a music station. In St. Louis there is an oldies AM station and their signal is pure crap. Limited response, flat dynamics. It sounds like they are using a dialup line as their STL. There is no reason for this. The vast majority of AM stations today have studio equipment and transmitters that would support near FM quality transmission whether in stereo or not. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 05:43:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39540 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2010 12:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2010 12:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2010 12:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2010 12:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2010 12:42:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:42:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2aa2.2fc818a.3976b371@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=3lnBH2mieRL5RfLkeoOKl7FHwtaiKPXu9nydOgOtDtkIWpKbkGK9-zE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Back around 1976, I built a Radio Shack 'P-Box' Kit Regenerative SW Radio. = You changed bands by putting different size wire coils you wound around an= ink pen... Anyhow, while tuning somewhere around 26MHz, I was receiving 2 or 3 AM stat= ions audio (in excellent quality) that I could not usually pickup during th= e day, only at night, such as WLW. Is it possible that they had a STL that= used the upper shortwave bands? Again, the audio quality was unreal too.= =20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 10:12:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73130 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2010 17:12:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2010 17:12:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2010 17:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2010 17:12:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2010 17:12:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:12:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.246 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yWBfzqoOeS1aP48E9fUZLytpu_tTViZOIFdc5Jc-hpsxIhoDBg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 There was an Hallicrafter (or something else) multiband and multimode recei= ver, from the 1950's I guess, which was a real "beast" radio with a very go= od audio (it had a Narrow/Wide switch and something like a notch filter ver= y useful in SW bands). Unfortunately, it was a full vacuum tubes device and I guess we can't get t= hose tubes today. I remember when I often heard SW bands while I warmed up the bread on the t= op of the metallic box of this radio, hahahahahaha!!! Other ages!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Back around 1976, I built a Radio Shack 'P-Box' Kit Regenerative SW Radio= . You changed bands by putting different size wire coils you wound around = an ink pen... > Anyhow, while tuning somewhere around 26MHz, I was receiving 2 or 3 AM st= ations audio (in excellent quality) that I could not usually pickup during = the day, only at night, such as WLW. Is it possible that they had a STL th= at used the upper shortwave bands? Again, the audio quality was unreal too= . > From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 10:17:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82159 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2010 17:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2010 17:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.80) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2010 17:17:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61691 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2010 17:17:02 -0000 Message-ID: <840975.61427.qm@web112002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EmfS.lEVM1mg81A.G62EADG5RNZMZ3I89OOpc8YSgXvF95M .5p49OaL0OWVTVHy81ULkFC.i_A9O42Pnfsf3FQuTOjCTrBCmW9cvbJDXQD9 pb8zJjb2mtF5KxdhOmYgg9BLlQbSSP91mZXbzei8TX7tNZbPFu_yO7gq1ITt qUKwda22w6foBajQY8KAtic_JMJf0ciPUM2fNIlAXLXd6lWcL1IbXczMxXp0 Aaow7v8AYgN9h2ALr3eRNfo6BpLFHLugfu9QXIjMwpMp9pkvjVZWqK5WnwTJ z0krFs5Cll9aPQFuYZmGpohtm1PKU6TonIM22nFJLWIQHre9Af69kU6lSG3T PjqKsapLHQY1KK9jZICsQ X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:17:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/420.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.104.276605 References: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:17:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.80 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ihuD82U-Nv_26kvQwdJHK8WlNqYYPtIR8dQU6vc_K5Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallicrafters had the SX-62 series which was a consumer version of the SX-4= 2. I=20 have not a bit of trouble getting tubes. Antique Electronic Supply is just= one=20 place to get them. Tubes, however, last much longer than you would imagine.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 1:12:35 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? There was an Hallicrafter (or something else) multiband and multimode recei= ver,=20 from the 1950's I guess, which was a real "beast" radio with a very good au= dio=20 (it had a Narrow/Wide switch and something like a notch filter very useful = in SW=20 bands). Unfortunately, it was a full vacuum tubes device and I guess we can't get t= hose=20 tubes today. I remember when I often heard SW bands while I warmed up the bread on the t= op of=20 the metallic box of this radio, hahahahahaha!!! Other ages!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = =20 wrote: > > Back around 1976, I built a Radio Shack 'P-Box' Kit Regenerative SW Radio= . You=20 >changed bands by putting different size wire coils you wound around an ink= =20 >pen... > Anyhow, while tuning somewhere around 26MHz, I was receiving 2 or 3 AM st= ations=20 >audio (in excellent quality) that I could not usually pickup during the da= y,=20 >only at night, such as WLW. Is it possible that they had a STL that used = the=20 >upper shortwave bands? Again, the audio quality was unreal too. > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jul 20 10:51:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69281 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2010 17:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2010 17:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f50.google.com) (74.125.83.50) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2010 17:51:43 -0000 X-Received: by gwaa11 with SMTP id a11so2763845gwa.9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:50:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.68.13 with SMTP id q13mr668115yba.405.1279648241707; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q21sm5195913ybk.15.2010.07.20.10.50.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C45E1EF.6000407@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:50:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.50 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=-GmjOZGw3aYj_yUWykE9t9C8dGNrPpRWjdBO4woH2ms8sLYRH89QPSAVf0a8tA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/20/2010 1:12 PM, Jota wrote: > Unfortunately, it was a full vacuum tubes device and I guess we can't get those tubes today. > You can get every tube in that radio from http://www.tubesandmore.com/ I get lots tubes and nearly every other part I need for the Radio Stations I take care of from http://www.rfparts.com/ -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jul 22 16:45:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84188 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2010 23:45:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2010 23:45:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2010 23:45:00 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100722184426100718200010.0) with SMTP id <20100722184426100718200010> for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:44:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004701cb29f8$8b71a460$6600000a@home1> To: References: <2aa2.2fc818a.3976b371@aol.com> X-Source-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:49:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:44:26 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=jKYEx-iDcwf8HFtwjk-VpOjg0V8LAil-M5ji1Xs8YXudQAIjpk9g X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Worse is Dickinson ND. Most AM stations there play music but they all sound bandwidth limited like they're doing IBUZ though only one actually is. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:09 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands In St. Louis there is an oldies AM station and their signal is pure crap. Limited response, flat dynamics. It sounds like they are using a dialup line as their STL. There is no reason for this. The vast majority of AM stations today have studio equipment and transmitters that would support near FM quality transmission whether in stereo or not. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jul 22 18:04:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78967 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2010 00:53:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2010 00:53:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2010 00:53:28 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100722195311100683500011.0) with SMTP id <20100722195311100683500011> for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:53:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00ec01cb2a02$256d1c80$6600000a@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:58:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:53:11 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=eW2YxAHxWXg9ZbYS-3Zd2-D5WlsC2ycBvBeQUUOVQjoXLQnUez_I X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is an RPU band there which is seldom used anymore. That may have been what you were hearing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? Back around 1976, I built a Radio Shack 'P-Box' Kit Regenerative SW Radio. You changed bands by putting different size wire coils you wound around an ink pen... Anyhow, while tuning somewhere around 26MHz, I was receiving 2 or 3 AM stations audio (in excellent quality) that I could not usually pickup during the day, only at night, such as WLW. Is it possible that they had a STL that used the upper shortwave bands? Again, the audio quality was unreal too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jul 22 18:48:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1381 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2010 01:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2010 01:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f172.google.com) (209.85.212.172) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2010 01:37:40 -0000 X-Received: by pxi20 with SMTP id 20so4792293pxi.31 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:35:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.120.9 with SMTP id s9mr1051504wac.100.1279848955243; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10sm88326045wam.13.2010.07.22.18.35.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6D0B51EFFA06474AB8B90B1FFA8E2C13@mygateway> To: References: <00ec01cb2a02$256d1c80$6600000a@home1> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:35:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7522 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=pn67Iv7AAlkpNPkvRmBpN8q2YP3eI8YDdytZgj23Xh_22UgEVMrb X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is rpu? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? There is an RPU band there which is seldom used anymore. That may have been what you were hearing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? Back around 1976, I built a Radio Shack 'P-Box' Kit Regenerative SW Radio. You changed bands by putting different size wire coils you wound around an ink pen... Anyhow, while tuning somewhere around 26MHz, I was receiving 2 or 3 AM stations audio (in excellent quality) that I could not usually pickup during the day, only at night, such as WLW. Is it possible that they had a STL that used the upper shortwave bands? Again, the audio quality was unreal too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5303 (20100722) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5303 (20100722) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jul 22 19:42:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85021 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2010 02:42:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2010 02:42:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.213.170) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2010 02:42:43 -0000 X-Received: by yxi11 with SMTP id 11so3780885yxi.1 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:42:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.218.20 with SMTP id q20mr4793305ybg.264.1279852962578; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m12sm2223594ybn.19.2010.07.22.19.42.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C4901A3.90009@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:42:43 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <00ec01cb2a02$256d1c80$6600000a@home1> <6D0B51EFFA06474AB8B90B1FFA8E2C13@mygateway> In-Reply-To: <6D0B51EFFA06474AB8B90B1FFA8E2C13@mygateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=FVNjA3gR4L_DBK2LFj_POTGheNWXSLQGREqKvkXhpuw8wR5n_K7A5ilRRTRltA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/22/2010 9:35 PM, hank smith wrote: > what is rpu? > Remote Pick Up. Marti is the most popular brand. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 22 22:45:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83936 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2010 05:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2010 05:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2010 05:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6N5jLV0022414 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:45:21 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e0d.d89a253 (43897) for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:45:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-dc06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC062-ab794c492c6ef3; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:45:18 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:45:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-QUAM AM Stereo in SW Bands-and other stuff too? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pW2sAUh5YUbsPsA96GS_S4yGLyD4l2W1Th0ZJtk3WmeA3sXlBBZv7I-tSzQIQOhY X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/22/2010 8:04:07 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Anyhow, while tuning somewhere around 26MHz, I was receiving 2 or 3 AM > stations audio (in excellent quality) that I could not usually pickup during > the day, only at night, such as WLW. Is it possible that they had a STL > that used the upper shortwave bands? Again, the audio quality was unreal too. > Could it be a CB'er turned DJ using his "Lean-E-R" on 11 meters? A full gallon into some of those massive stacked CB beams would probably rival a 50kW shortwave station along its beam He may think Freddy sleeps at night when he broadcasts. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Fri Jul 23 01:27:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19507 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2010 08:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2010 08:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.140) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2010 08:20:19 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100723082008.UHRX1693.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:20:08 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100723082007.KYWX25056.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:20:07 +0000 To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:20:07 +1000 Message-ID: <6B975D3B4C54417B92DFE4BCA3E4B5B6@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcsqKkS2J4PNAnUVTsK1gRe9+J9eigAD6CwA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090208.4C4950B8.0174,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rhw7FNL6TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7zhKrM7hNL21j1cNhKPPGEqY6T0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: A little DAB+ gem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently Sanyo has entered the digital radio market in Oz, and has started fiercely advertising its range on the radio. I thought I'd check them out and probably buy its "walkman" as I'd like to have a back up for the wonderful Sangean DRP-34+. I didn't get to see one. What I did buy was a tiny little Bush "walkman". It's hardly bigger than a box of matches and only weighs 48g (1.7 ounces!). When you open it up there's hardly anything to see but the (2 x AAA) battery slots. It's easy to operate and you can store as many favourites as you like. I've stored 8 of the 39 digital stations available in Melbourne. Seven of them are current AM stations. The other is 3MP - a new digital station playing "easy music" with no announcers and very little advertising which started up when the AM version of 3MP recently morphed into a far right wing talk station. Three of my favourites are 3LO, Radio National, and Newsradio - all ABC stations with no advertising. The sound is awesome. And this is the first "walkman" that I've ever bought where the earbuds supplied don't need to be immediately replaced with something better. Digital radio in Oz has been accepted much better than expected. The variety of radios available is seemingly endless. All publicity is good. And most commercial and ABC stations are still running 15 second promotions on the hour. Already the regional commercial stations, and capital city community stations, are lobbying the government to get a piece of the action. Digital radio in Oz is certainly here to stay ... at least in the medium term. (As also is analog AM and FM.) Btw ... some have asked what frequency DAB+ is on. This radio's DAB+ band is 174 to 240 Mhz. Its FM band is 87.5 to 108 Mhz. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jul 23 04:55:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33421 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2010 11:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2010 11:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.213.170) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2010 11:55:48 -0000 X-Received: by yxi11 with SMTP id 11so3490153yxi.29 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 04:55:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.42.18 with SMTP id u18mr5142081ybj.382.1279886134010; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 04:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q1sm2635608ybk.8.2010.07.23.04.55.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 04:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C498336.6040807@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:55:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <6B975D3B4C54417B92DFE4BCA3E4B5B6@seagull> In-Reply-To: <6B975D3B4C54417B92DFE4BCA3E4B5B6@seagull> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A little DAB+ gem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=x12j2Kg5_6E4XBm0MycBa0I0mwdGhvwbvf9z_MWY8nUCORsK6AiHS15YeShKPg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/23/2010 4:20 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > some have asked what frequency DAB+ is on. This radio's DAB+ band > is 174 to 240 Mhz. In the United States, that Band is used for VHF ATSC (HD-TV). Unlike Analog TV, The VHF bands do not work well for Digital TV. All TV should be moved to UHF. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 23 09:37:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33198 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2010 16:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2010 16:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.185) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2010 16:37:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40050 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2010 16:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.7.83.77 with login) by smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2010 09:37:45 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: .yTrU6IVM1mnhQw55pFDEvC5XNYlYbYyLGRTOpIqVq9pw0h Xh14NkQ4xaH0UJFqdXrdMh1mYaTT2GF0zkrWLldEUIjKmxrLnWKTOVdxDjFM YgWz5.g_Idpvqw42HIenMAH9xNB2ll4Ynn_NoR0fz.dSUb5SvISarBvoXPDO h_sIP7a2VBBcVPsiHdGNs0voTmPKK113S_u6x2g4wJPBbzhsj5Z9P8BLMlfn JqDIzYaa6AiqlPYe31m69uFq54rI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 09:30:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.185 From: "jim smith" Subject: CKMX AM STEREO 1060 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=kitU8z0rnXgRRa7C3m5RExmyPVNKke3V_Eprbfosf1Yhd9UTofRosho938yIHSgPxrNE4SWW X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Its been a wile. I got to hear CMKX AM STEREO 1060 early the this morning 7-23-2010 2 3 and 4 AM PST here neer Sacragetto Ca. HD RADIO SUCKS!!!!! I had a hard time listeing to AM 1060 because of KNX AM HD 1070. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Jul 24 06:45:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98187 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2010 13:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2010 13:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2010 13:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2010 11:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2010 11:51:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:51:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C498336.6040807@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.97.60.15 From: "starship20012001" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A little DAB+ gem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=mqGsnwxP88jh9NQIOG18z40MCQaQIMAk9C1NgKC-3y8MsU0rr6Y6HdgKdA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > > On 7/23/2010 4:20 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > some have asked what frequency DAB+ is on. This radio's DAB+ band > > is 174 to 240 Mhz. >=20 > In the United States, that Band is used for VHF ATSC (HD-TV). Unlike=20 > Analog TV, The VHF bands do not work well for Digital TV. All TV should=20 > be moved to UHF. >=20 > --=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > Unfornatly the FCC here is talking about giving the prime UHF freqs to the = $ell phone carriers to market broadband internet with. The $ell phone carri= ers are crying they need more freqs and FCC wants to take it from the TV br= oadcasters and further reduce available DTV channels.=20 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 15:34:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51989 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2010 22:34:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2010 22:34:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2010 22:34:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2010 09:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2010 09:07:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:07:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.187.115 From: "pdmtr" Subject: BREAKING NEWS! DAB vs Analog FM... 0-1 ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=U7qCwikSyJn7WRD00Vdgpzn2J9ynwU9eRDm8LaT2Lco X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr "FM set to stay as radio execs consider digital's future"=20 That what Irish officials say... Analog FM will not be tuned off at least t= o Ireland! The reason is simple! Analog FM is reliable and there is no need= to change it! Is a heritage technology that is performing very well. "So we should be slow to change. We should experiment . . . but very slow t= o damage something that we have that is so successful and which is so well = regarded by the public. That's the thing." Read the article at the link below: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fm-set-to-stay-as-radio-execs-consi= der-digitals-future-2263311.html=20 Seems that there are still some people in higher positions that can at leas= t understand what radio is, and why there is no need to "kill" analog broad= castings yet!=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 19:19:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73577 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2010 02:19:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2010 02:19:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2010 02:19:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22144 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2010 02:12:27 -0000 Message-ID: <373454.20632.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YfHywXMVM1ntIqmyiz3tKDcZhs.bD9.Rn6c65N4qEiHStKi KIZm1Qx3.heXkWoo6OmAQA21DN6L5LEal1o_WprGCst4nNcaIxsqN1QDT8Rk 7NTNV6CRSk5roOnRQiVZpkYTIpWYu0.TeuF1Q2IKBkG4rLvy9Ku.3CeFcW3n 4UYYT577RIaVuxCHtVrkc8YfDjWema.DyVLXddGw4NEjUfceaBmqqPqfOh5W U28SpaL1smNa6tFahoZzlCTUMR.ldbVIIsUn4H6uqyybaQd44DPOtV8_qpI8 nhNdDJZfhNJ6ccgwDJ2xKZY.KSty.ZZvRUZsgZEiwcc2gEwTUVZn7Y2OoVeI lAZqCPETfEzR0JCl07Uq2WUQil8h3kFS0phhhnt4I X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:12:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.2.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.277674 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:12:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} BREAKING NEWS! DAB vs Analog FM... 0-1 ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=lGIBkB8WFAjUYd1onmRewhLhKn_unCfzqoRC8_cx9KwXSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Slow to change...AMEN! =C2=A0I'm all for progress, but sometimes we embrace= something just because it is new, at the expense of something proven and j= ust as practical.Digital is fine only if it is BETTER, and that ain't alway= s the case! =C2=A0G --- On Sat, 7/24/10, pdmtr wrote: From: pdmtr Subject: {AMSF} BREAKING NEWS! DAB vs Analog FM... 0-1 ! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 5:07 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 "FM set to stay as radio execs consider digital's future"=20 That what Irish officials say... Analog FM will not be tuned off at least t= o Ireland! The reason is simple! Analog FM is reliable and there is no need= to change it! Is a heritage technology that is performing very well. "So we should be slow to change. We should experiment . . . but very slow t= o damage something that we have that is so successful and which is so well = regarded by the public. That's the thing." Read the article at the link below: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fm-set-to-stay-as-radio-execs-consi= der-digitals-future-2263311.html=20 Seems that there are still some people in higher positions that can at leas= t understand what radio is, and why there is no need to "kill" analog broad= castings yet!=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 20:38:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26126 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2010 03:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2010 03:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2010 03:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2010 03:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2010 03:38:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 03:38:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.247 From: "Jota" Subject: My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=RypYrcE6ygrE0oKDMs5lwSwSQLrmokEYlGZ0qt7EvH_uwz9ftA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! When I read about all the outstanding improvements we have gotten with the = digital audio, I wonder: What? ??? Let's see: 1) We can't have digital audio if we don't have analog audio first. There m= ust be an analog audio part in the chain because, if we don't have some par= t of the chain in the analog domain, we can't get any useful thing to our e= ars (because our ears work with and only with analog waves). 2) If we need some part of the chain in the analog domain, How can we know = if all the improvements come from the digital part only? Now, I want to remember that the final quality of any audio sound depends o= f the following specs: a) Audio Frecuency Bandwidth or Response. b) Distortion. c) Signal to Noise Ratio. Let's see: 1) We know the "standard" human ear can "feel" any frecuency from 25 Hertz = to 15 KiloHertz. Almost any analog audio device since 1970 can give that ra= nge without noticeable lost. How can we test the supposed digital "improvem= ents" in this specific aspect? Is it better a response from 0 Hertz to 100 = KiloHertz if we can't hear it? 2) We know the "standard" human ear can tolerate up to 1.5% of Total Harmon= ic Distortion without mayor problem. Almost any analog device since 1990 ca= n give less than 0,5% T.H.D. at "normal" level. How can we test the suppose= d digital improvements in this aspect? Is it better a distortion less than = 0,01% if nobody can "catch" it? 3) We know the "standard" human ear can hear any level sound from 0 to 120 = dB SPL (Sound Pressure Level). BUT... we feel unconfortable with any sound = with more than 60 dB SPL. So... we can say the human ear dynamic range is a= round 60 dBs. Almost any analog circuit can give dynamic ranges around 60-8= 0 dBs since 1990. How can we test the supposed digital improvements in this= aspect? Is it better a dynamic range around 120 dBs if nobody can "enjoy" = it (because we have only 60 dBs range)? OK, I know the opinions: "Digital recording have less noise than analog tap= es", etc. BUT IT IS JUST AN STORAGE DOMAIN ISSUE!!! In other words: THE ONL= Y ONE REAL IMPROVEMENT WE HAVE GOTTEN IS ABOUT THE EDITION AND STORAGE FACI= LITIES WE HAVE TODAY WITH THE DIGITAL WORLD!!! There is not a real better audio if we use digital audio. There is a better= way to edit and store the audio, nothing more. In this line, I wonder... Which would be the real benefits to the radio if = we use digital audio "on the air"? Better audio response? Less distortion? = Better dynamic range? Maybe, ONLY MAYBE, we could get a better and eficient signal to noise ratio= in the AM bands with some digital audio system, BUT... losing a lot of tod= ay analog benefits. I'm not sure if we win something really significant in the FM bands with th= e digital audio system because there are some analog FM systems absolutely = good, nice, outstanding (if the broadcasters respect the 100% maximum modul= ation parameter). So... I wonder, again, Which would be the real benefits? ??? I don't think I have the last word in this issue, so... I want to hear your= ideas. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Jul 24 21:36:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94248 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2010 04:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2010 04:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f174.google.com) (209.85.161.174) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2010 04:35:58 -0000 X-Received: by gxk23 with SMTP id 23so565119gxk.19 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:35:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.216.3 with SMTP id o3mr157765ang.56.1280032558127; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r7sm3640909anb.15.2010.07.24.21.35.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C4BBF23.8050209@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:35:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.174 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A little DAB+ gem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ahwjAxU-pBNx8d2qekBGXBHZ03xQpp2oS4_R0QrkgPTGamXv_orrtLQSpzDRBw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/24/2010 7:51 AM, starship20012001 wrote: > Unfornatly the FCC here is talking about giving the prime UHF freqs to > the $ell phone carriers to market broadband internet with. The $ell > phone carriers are crying they need more freqs and FCC wants to take > it from the TV broadcasters and further reduce available DTV channels. Yup, I say Over the air TV will be gone in less than 10 Years. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jul 25 23:08:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16723 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2010 06:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2010 06:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2010 06:08:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35270 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2010 06:07:43 -0000 Message-ID: <590768.34286.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WG_7zQUVM1mpjKghqJ8EFt1WPsfny3MmwPM0mRRoTFruSlF ycCwnARIGCNBHCAhf7CWUt7vw_wAn47EJzh1QN1LX11YGqyBpTMND4SlKXzJ w093taEvh9OVZ_J7n1k4iArxN3eDp818EQZCbLHZdjKqRMpJ90m2n9w_C27s 9S4cx6CjMY4S4_P.waF5HVFWXA_768f3mIqnZMwq_g9WpLRp4vrWVGPKr5Qh AgM9rQWLOXw5u1y6dNAX2E0oaocDqFNI2a4Ne1zm4Mrszyrt7rREfOfyyLgG 5pJ_eyE7KPIxgM0DwINcENQWedUBVEcAyGa0PFHwVkc2mirJsLhryTS_IKWT iZzTAVfxTr8d4DTtEQcA0XJ23q9P2PpspP1kbNmmg1Q-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:07:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.2.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.277674 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:07:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4C4BBF23.8050209@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A little DAB+ gem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=gBHbxW5siM3YZV5rvvD7XPoAroepOW2KalNawpBq3G_CpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 10 years? =C2=A0Yeah, sounds about right. =C2=A0The technology keeps obsole= ting itself, and the programing quality is going farther down the crapper e= very day...uh, maybe LESS than 10 annums.BTW, was the use of the dollar sig= n instead of the letter "C" in "cell phone" an accident?Hits the nail on th= e head! =C2=A0g --- On Sun, 7/25/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} A little DAB+ gem To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 12:35 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 7/24/2010 7:51 AM, starship20012001 wrote: > Unfornatly the FCC here is talking about giving the prime UHF freqs to=20 > the $ell phone carriers to market broadband internet with. The $ell=20 > phone carriers are crying they need more freqs and FCC wants to take=20 > it from the TV broadcasters and further reduce available DTV channels. Yup, I say Over the air TV will be gone in less than 10 Years. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jul 26 17:35:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40118 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2010 00:35:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2010 00:35:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2010 00:35:25 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100726191003100237800010.0) with SMTP id <20100726191003100237800010> for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:10:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001201cb2d20$cdec2600$6600000a@home1> To: References: <590768.34286.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Source-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:15:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:10:03 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A little DAB+ gem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9yhjGtFMDAHxwjekdHS5fBQ6UMJVJOqEJRROHJSuALrQRtef7f0y X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thing is, the cell phone companies aren't the ones clamoring for the spectrum. It's more for national broadband availability and it's a government plan, not any company's. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 1:08 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} A little DAB+ gem 10 years? Yeah, sounds about right. The technology keeps obsoleting itself, and the programing quality is going farther down the crapper every day...uh, maybe LESS than 10 annums.BTW, was the use of the dollar sign instead of the letter "C" in "cell phone" an accident?Hits the nail on the head! g [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jul 26 18:52:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72226 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2010 01:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2010 01:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f170.google.com) (209.85.214.170) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2010 01:48:34 -0000 X-Received: by mail-iw0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 36so3836713iwn.29 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:48:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.193.81 with SMTP id dt17mr8819383ibb.177.1280195313852; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:48:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.193.20 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:48:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:48:33 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=6LkFDFEyCbCS7bH7RMVbJZphqb0aLWY-uVK2FDa-D7cd4B_j X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, you hit the nail on the head saying that the advantage of digital is the easy of storage, editing, copying (you can make as many copies of copies as you like without degradation) and transferring. Another 'advantage' of digital is the ability to compress the size of the file taking advantage of data redundancy. I can see what you are saying when you imply that perfect analog is a perfect representation of real life (because sound in real life is analog). However, we have to understand that we are comparing mediums. Mediums are ways of storing/transferring 'representations' of real life. Mediums can be analog such as AM, FM or vinyl, or digital such as CD, Mp3, DAB+. None of these mediums are perfect representations or real life, but some get really close. The best mediums mentioned above would be CD and vinyl. Whilst we all love AM to bits, it is still not a perfect representation of real life sounds. This is partly due to artificial constraints that only give each AM station a limited bandwidth, and also due to constraints of th= e medium such as susceptibility to interference. Nowadays, most radio stations store their music in some digital format usin= g high bitrate compression (due to ease of storage, transfer like you mentioned). Therefore, if you transmit in theoretically perfect AM (to 15kHz), you will still have the limitations of the digital medium (however small). This will sound quite good. As digital radio transmission employs data compression techniques, your radio will not receive a bit for bit representation of the digital audio in the radio station studio. The quality of the sound at the receiver's end depends on the bitrate of the transmission. The bitrate at which the DAB+ (or another radio format) becomes better than the AM representation is subjective. Maybe we can do an experiment on this. Regards, Dan On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Jota wrote: > > > Hi Gang!!! > > When I read about all the outstanding improvements we have gotten with th= e > digital audio, I wonder: What? ??? > > Let's see: > > 1) We can't have digital audio if we don't have analog audio first. There > must be an analog audio part in the chain because, if we don't have some > part of the chain in the analog domain, we can't get any useful thing to = our > ears (because our ears work with and only with analog waves). > > 2) If we need some part of the chain in the analog domain, How can we kno= w > if all the improvements come from the digital part only? > > Now, I want to remember that the final quality of any audio sound depends > of the following specs: > > a) Audio Frecuency Bandwidth or Response. > > b) Distortion. > > c) Signal to Noise Ratio. > > Let's see: > > 1) We know the "standard" human ear can "feel" any frecuency from 25 Hert= z > to 15 KiloHertz. Almost any analog audio device since 1970 can give that > range without noticeable lost. How can we test the supposed digital > "improvements" in this specific aspect? Is it better a response from 0 He= rtz > to 100 KiloHertz if we can't hear it? > > 2) We know the "standard" human ear can tolerate up to 1.5% of Total > Harmonic Distortion without mayor problem. Almost any analog device since > 1990 can give less than 0,5% T.H.D. at "normal" level. How can we test th= e > supposed digital improvements in this aspect? Is it better a distortion l= ess > than 0,01% if nobody can "catch" it? > > 3) We know the "standard" human ear can hear any level sound from 0 to 12= 0 > dB SPL (Sound Pressure Level). BUT... we feel unconfortable with any soun= d > with more than 60 dB SPL. So... we can say the human ear dynamic range is > around 60 dBs. Almost any analog circuit can give dynamic ranges around > 60-80 dBs since 1990. How can we test the supposed digital improvements i= n > this aspect? Is it better a dynamic range around 120 dBs if nobody can > "enjoy" it (because we have only 60 dBs range)? > > OK, I know the opinions: "Digital recording have less noise than analog > tapes", etc. BUT IT IS JUST AN STORAGE DOMAIN ISSUE!!! In other words: TH= E > ONLY ONE REAL IMPROVEMENT WE HAVE GOTTEN IS ABOUT THE EDITION AND STORAGE > FACILITIES WE HAVE TODAY WITH THE DIGITAL WORLD!!! > > There is not a real better audio if we use digital audio. There is a bett= er > way to edit and store the audio, nothing more. > > In this line, I wonder... Which would be the real benefits to the radio i= f > we use digital audio "on the air"? Better audio response? Less distortion= ? > Better dynamic range? > > Maybe, ONLY MAYBE, we could get a better and eficient signal to noise rat= io > in the AM bands with some digital audio system, BUT... losing a lot of to= day > analog benefits. > > I'm not sure if we win something really significant in the FM bands with > the digital audio system because there are some analog FM systems absolut= ely > good, nice, outstanding (if the broadcasters respect the 100% maximum > modulation parameter). > > So... I wonder, again, Which would be the real benefits? ??? > > I don't think I have the last word in this issue, so... I want to hear yo= ur > ideas. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 20:06:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71340 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2010 03:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2010 03:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2010 03:04:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31965 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2010 03:04:50 -0000 Message-ID: <311070.30948.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8vtgMzUVM1m7U8A5HwnVEjt7NVQqmTpsQ1TufvcHsqPUenO DQm6cRdNvX5krCR1qXTrr0l56enLjo1Nx5CxLAzxosjPqDJoBuyaqoPEzb3m s5dP9w5jiIDN.Odz0zCYl5XT_SFZcFi6M7Efzp.oGw0KbbWMQnZn9XIeX4FS LLYQLv55K0rFACKZLcjw1e_JiTPNCf12L7A52YqPlO1lsVYx.33cV1RNyjsA vdWJCQ24Lqzmh3.2t7pARwS71yLSquAGBAGHW6ZjbNnUw.orKVcI_Dv48Ipi ud0Xfw3KE7yP_gjUdwvqDUkG8A5dwbS_uUytIh1OaWWkBe5jf2Ma3kMP3Py5 pYXHDZtmHXNemD2.UrRrUgZC1PgI- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:04:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.2.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.277674 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:04:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=DhPw_NUBxMP7R12yk9CSHbTI8xMPKJtN33qSzGwzjlkg0g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Bit rate is everything! at 24 bits/96 kHz. UNcompressed, digital will gave= the finest open-reel recorders a run for the money. But when more and mor= e compression is used, the audio starts to suffer. I can listen to a an uncompressed CD, and it sounds pretty darn good...but = no match for a fine Ampex running at 15 or 30 inches per second. HOWEVER, given the advantages of digital as mentioned, it is GOOD ENOUGH fo= r most uses. FM has a lot of spectral "real estate" to use, and high bit rates can be pr= actical, but AM is so narrow, that ANY scheme to fit digital audio into the= channel is going to require SOME form of compression, and quite a bit of i= t. Under bad reception conditions, high noise floor, fading, etc., digital wit= h voice would probably sound just fine to most folks, but under GOOD recept= ion, a good receiver system may easily show the artifacts that are unavoida= ble with such high compression ratios. It boils down to acceptability, how little is still "good enough"? Given the nature of too much AM programming these days (talk), the lousy re= ceivers being sold to us, and the fact that some of us have had our hearing= "dumbed down" by MP3s and a total lack of exposure to what LIVE audio REAL= LY sounds like...it looks like SOME form of digital AM is inevitable. Sorry...I too wish AM had 20 kHz audio from vinyl, tape, or live, but I gue= ss sometimes progress doesn't mean "better", it just means "different" or "= cheaper" or "more convenient". just my two "bits" worth (groan!) G=20 --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > From: Daniel Piccoli > Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 9:48 PM > Hi Juan, >=20 > you hit the nail on the head saying that the advantage of > digital is the > easy of storage, editing, copying (you can make as many > copies of copies as > you like without degradation) and transferring. Another > 'advantage' of > digital is the ability to compress the size of the file > taking advantage of > data redundancy. >=20 > I can see what you are saying when you imply that perfect > analog is a > perfect representation of real life (because sound in real > life is analog). > However, we have to understand that we are comparing > mediums. Mediums are > ways of storing/transferring 'representations' of real > life. Mediums can be > analog such as AM, FM or vinyl, or digital such as CD, Mp3, > DAB+. None of > these mediums are perfect representations or real life, but > some get really > close. The best mediums mentioned above would be CD and > vinyl. >=20 > Whilst we all love AM to bits, it is still not a perfect > representation of > real life sounds. This is partly due to artificial > constraints that only > give each AM station a limited bandwidth, and also due to > constraints of the > medium such as susceptibility to interference. >=20 > Nowadays, most radio stations store their music in some > digital format using > high bitrate compression (due to ease of storage, transfer > like you > mentioned). Therefore, if you transmit in theoretically > perfect AM (to > 15kHz), you will still have the limitations of the digital > medium (however > small). This will sound quite good. >=20 > As digital radio transmission employs data compression > techniques, your > radio will not receive a bit for bit representation of the > digital audio in > the radio station studio. The quality of the sound at the > receiver's end > depends on the bitrate of the transmission. >=20 > The bitrate at which the DAB+ (or another radio format) > becomes better than > the AM representation is subjective. Maybe we can do an > experiment on this. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Dan >=20 > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Jota > wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Hi Gang!!! > > > > When I read about all the outstanding improvements we > have gotten with the > > digital audio, I wonder: What? ??? > > > > Let's see: > > > > 1) We can't have digital audio if we don't have analog > audio first. There > > must be an analog audio part in the chain because, if > we don't have some > > part of the chain in the analog domain, we can't get > any useful thing to our > > ears (because our ears work with and only with analog > waves). > > > > 2) If we need some part of the chain in the analog > domain, How can we know > > if all the improvements come from the digital part > only? > > > > Now, I want to remember that the final quality of any > audio sound depends > > of the following specs: > > > > a) Audio Frecuency Bandwidth or Response. > > > > b) Distortion. > > > > c) Signal to Noise Ratio. > > > > Let's see: > > > > 1) We know the "standard" human ear can "feel" any > frecuency from 25 Hertz > > to 15 KiloHertz. Almost any analog audio device since > 1970 can give that > > range without noticeable lost. How can we test the > supposed digital > > "improvements" in this specific aspect? Is it better a > response from 0 Hertz > > to 100 KiloHertz if we can't hear it? > > > > 2) We know the "standard" human ear can tolerate up to > 1.5% of Total > > Harmonic Distortion without mayor problem. Almost any > analog device since > > 1990 can give less than 0,5% T.H.D. at "normal" level. > How can we test the > > supposed digital improvements in this aspect? Is it > better a distortion less > > than 0,01% if nobody can "catch" it? > > > > 3) We know the "standard" human ear can hear any level > sound from 0 to 120 > > dB SPL (Sound Pressure Level). BUT... we feel > unconfortable with any sound > > with more than 60 dB SPL. So... we can say the human > ear dynamic range is > > around 60 dBs. Almost any analog circuit can give > dynamic ranges around > > 60-80 dBs since 1990. How can we test the supposed > digital improvements in > > this aspect? Is it better a dynamic range around 120 > dBs if nobody can > > "enjoy" it (because we have only 60 dBs range)? > > > > OK, I know the opinions: "Digital recording have less > noise than analog > > tapes", etc. BUT IT IS JUST AN STORAGE DOMAIN ISSUE!!! > In other words: THE > > ONLY ONE REAL IMPROVEMENT WE HAVE GOTTEN IS ABOUT THE > EDITION AND STORAGE > > FACILITIES WE HAVE TODAY WITH THE DIGITAL WORLD!!! > > > > There is not a real better audio if we use digital > audio. There is a better > > way to edit and store the audio, nothing more. > > > > In this line, I wonder... Which would be the real > benefits to the radio if > > we use digital audio "on the air"? Better audio > response? Less distortion? > > Better dynamic range? > > > > Maybe, ONLY MAYBE, we could get a better and eficient > signal to noise ratio > > in the AM bands with some digital audio system, BUT... > losing a lot of today > > analog benefits. > > > > I'm not sure if we win something really significant in > the FM bands with > > the digital audio system because there are some analog > FM systems absolutely > > good, nice, outstanding (if the broadcasters respect > the 100% maximum > > modulation parameter). > > > > So... I wonder, again, Which would be the real > benefits? ??? > > > > I don't think I have the last word in this issue, > so... I want to hear your > > ideas. > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > >=A0=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 18:59:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56198 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2010 01:59:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2010 01:59:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2010 01:59:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2010 01:57:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2010 01:57:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 01:57:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <311070.30948.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.61 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ssRwyHhocckEBugv19tX5Eswwrql8ZfwHYSq796MjR4cgHxWSA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 > > Bit rate is everything! at 24 bits/96 kHz. UNcompressed, digital will ga= ve the finest open-reel recorders a run for the money. But when more and m= ore compression is used, the audio starts to suffer. > I can listen to a an uncompressed CD, and it sounds pretty darn good...bu= t no match for a fine Ampex running at 15 or 30 inches per second. >=20 I can't understand why to use CDs with the "standard" book (44100 samples/1= 6 bits) if we could use 48000 samples / 24 bits and more than 2 channels!!! >=20 > FM has a lot of spectral "real estate" to use, and high bit rates can be = practical... >=20 Not true if we want to use the today analog FM stereo system with teh digit= al signal (hybrid mode). The today FM free spectrum is almost the same as t= he standard AM channels (around 20 kHz). The solution would be a new band w= ith a full digital system (wiiiiiiide channels). I think it would be someth= ing like DAB+ but without data compression. > Under bad reception conditions, high noise floor, fading, etc., digital w= ith voice would probably sound just fine to most folks, but under GOOD rece= ption, a good receiver system may easily show the artifacts that are unavoi= dable with such high compression ratios. >=20 AMEN!!! > How little is still "good enough"? >=20 I think the minimal High Fidelity should be considered the wide mode AM ban= dwidth (10 kHz) but with less than 1% THD. > Given the nature of too much AM programming these days (talk), the lousy = receivers being sold to us, and the fact that some of us have had our heari= ng "dumbed down" by MP3s and a total lack of exposure to what LIVE audio RE= ALLY sounds like...it looks like SOME form of digital AM is inevitable. >=20 Why some form of digital AM if the today analog AM can do it better? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 19:04:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92078 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2010 02:04:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2010 02:04:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2010 02:04:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2010 02:00:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2010 02:00:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:00:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.61 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Nc3RJYjlmpVVn4iRg8spdqQHTS0PcreDwSd9KJFkdNc3StHI1g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > The bitrate at which the DAB+ (or another radio format) becomes better th= an > the AM representation is subjective. Maybe we can do an experiment on thi= s. >=20 I'm still looking for a DAB+ sample. All the links posted are broken. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. 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Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio Nowadays, most radio stations store their music in some digital format using high bitrate compression From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jul 30 19:31:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13388 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2010 02:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2010 02:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f180.google.com) (209.85.213.180) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2010 02:30:56 -0000 X-Received: by yxm8 with SMTP id 8so836677yxm.25 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:30:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.12.13 with SMTP id p13mr1907112ybi.41.1280543455368; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f5sm1537862ybi.7.2010.07.30.19.30.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C538ADB.3090001@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:30:51 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <000901cb3050$fbe81900$6600000a@home1> In-Reply-To: <000901cb3050$fbe81900$6600000a@home1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=oal7CjrBrQqPTr7aOYF_OWp3IsGWGTXyp7WCDe4Oc45VL7ugiEqe1zOOOa-rrw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > Nowadays, most radio stations store their music in some digital format using > high bitrate compression > 1300 WCKI and 810 WQIZ both store 100% of the audio as uncompressed .wav files. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jul 30 20:27:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45959 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2010 03:27:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2010 03:27:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2010 03:27:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54502 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2010 03:27:46 -0000 Message-ID: <411857.53342.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 4Fz1d_YVM1nrgSJJUUoplGi1zBgGmkZ7Bn_gzorslxxe6ee v9gT2oaR5 X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:27:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.2.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:27:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4C538ADB.3090001@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Zc7qNyA-ACo1h_2Tllrt1QPI4XQRdjWvVLEOchO9aGyglg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the risk of blinding a weather satellite with my shiny head, I must tip = my hat to those two stations! =C2=A0Come on, memory is very cheap these day= s, there is no longer any excuse for 10:1, 20:1, or even worse compression.= =C2=A0wav. is good, unlike LOSSY compression schemes, where once it's gone= , it's GONE! (Anybody remember PASC? =C2=A0Digital Cassette Tape? =C2=A0Onl= y about 4:1, but oh, did it sound gritty!) =C2=A0G --- On Fri, 7/30/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 10:30 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 > Nowadays, most radio stations store their music in some digital format us= ing > high bitrate compression >=20=20=20=20 1300 WCKI and 810 WQIZ both store 100% of the audio as uncompressed .wav=20 files. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jul 30 20:48:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80930 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2010 03:48:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2010 03:48:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.213.170) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2010 03:48:00 -0000 X-Received: by yxi11 with SMTP id 11so1327897yxi.15 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.117.11 with SMTP id p11mr4143303ybc.316.1280548076985; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q25sm2947624ybk.6.2010.07.30.20.47.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C539CE9.2080809@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:47:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <411857.53342.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <411857.53342.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=A9SQwodF91BAQHvAMN9FvkghICC5zYj_pFWBD5lqOiVCkpIlOpfuE0TJ-mtV_w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/30/2010 11:27 PM, george russell wrote: > At the risk of blinding a weather satellite with my shiny head, I must tip my hat to those two stations! I am VERY Anal about the Audio Quality of the stations I engineer for. I bet those are the ONLY 2 AMs in SC that has passed an Audio Proof in 2010! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jul 30 20:54:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65792 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2010 03:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2010 03:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2010 03:54:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44158 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2010 03:54:20 -0000 Message-ID: <295899.43695.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 77mdTvwVM1nZ7N6.WiRuDZ2GiwR1_vu3rru.3YGKRwjbpjx TdA2ExCxyefJQOVr6uBkd6RlE7EEnrumcbu5AgFT0Il5Sl5DwaNCc8pGFZ8a KfL2PVkcjyyPxpuJGUQkc2rnkUCFhapGsFw_.DtYx2SVAhwWjkNckHvJsT0f 5iME11gOlkd6cIE1.sw3BFElw2a1z4YhGXvKV8lIM8estdgAd4mC9elzdapa haUwjVV7Mz4SHLE3WG7L_eBybkZrj0RFrVUi.7fdt52IQjHq7Gw.9Ndd.Cp_ dffNkeoOgJwzLRr6vGXkisRghB3wwGykNbFC7iQEhF7qeEgCaA4FuMa9rap3 qRhyH_mTQWXAhO8w_VHATcW_SXBU- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:54:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.2.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:54:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4C539CE9.2080809@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=z902qgg5Ax66mTM7NZISRTh066yTFFT5A0uJbPH2mK7Caw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kudos to you...I wish ALL engineers shared your passion, as SOME of us list= eners DO appreciate your work! =C2=A0I won't mention any call signs, but we= have a couple in this area that frankly make one wonder why one paid more = for a better receiver...ugh! =C2=A0BTW, what kind of processor do you use? = =C2=A0Orban? =C2=A0G --- On Fri, 7/30/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 11:47 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 7/30/2010 11:27 PM, george russell wrote: > At the risk of blinding a weather satellite with my shiny head, I must ti= p my hat to those two stations! I am VERY Anal about the Audio Quality of the stations I engineer for. I bet those are the ONLY 2 AMs in SC that has passed an Audio Proof in 2010= ! --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Jul 31 01:28:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28540 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2010 08:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2010 08:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.140) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2010 08:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100731082759.BJEI12310.nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2010 08:27:59 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100731082758.HYXH13035.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2010 08:27:58 +0000 To: References: <4C539CE9.2080809@gmail.com> <295899.43695.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:27:56 +1000 Message-ID: <0270C7C028954C4B8F6BDFDE15D977CE@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: <295899.43695.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcswZBNeaMzD2Ex8QAi4shx5PDYKIgAJArTQ X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090208.4C53DE8E.026F,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: ohEyGdb6TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU6nyN7M7hNL21z9cNhKPPGYqZqT0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would seem that I missed reading the first message on this thread. But I will say ... in my humble opinion digital radio is the way to go. And I'm not talking IBOC. I'm talking DAB+. Some people have asked for samples of how good it is. I'm not technically good enough to provide them. But I can say this with confidence and conviction. DAB+ sounds exactly the same as what you'd hear from an iPod/mp3 player. There are no blips blops and fadeouts. No rotating your radio receiver. You either get a perfect signal ... or you don't. In some ways it's not as warm and deep as a perfect C-quam AM stereo signal. Just as listening to a CD isn't sometimes as satisfying as listening (on good equipment) to the original track recorded on vinyl. But DAB+ will appeal to the masses. It already is in Oz. And that is good. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Jul 31 02:33:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25114 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2010 09:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2010 09:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f180.google.com) (209.85.213.180) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2010 09:33:04 -0000 X-Received: by yxm8 with SMTP id 8so1109183yxm.39 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2010 02:32:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.92.1 with SMTP id p1mr3601217anb.57.1280568775402; Sat, 31 Jul 2010 02:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t24sm5307946ano.12.2010.07.31.02.32.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 31 Jul 2010 02:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C53EDC2.8000109@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 05:32:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <295899.43695.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <295899.43695.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Y4Pc2Yc3Iw4CvoNlDjC7Vd4ku999V8kgu08mLIK5eZjMI9MMyYS5JtU8t0moTA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 7/30/2010 11:54 PM, george russell wrote: > BTW, what kind of processor do you use? Orban? G > WCKI uses a CRL AM-4 into a Modified Armstrong X-1000B Transmitter. WQIZ uses an Orban Optimod 9200 into a Harris Gates 5 Transmitter. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jul 31 11:29:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37699 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2010 18:29:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2010 18:29:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2010 18:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2010 18:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2010 18:29:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:29:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C539CE9.2080809@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.210 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hg7ux0z3n8CMyyM9CRoftFC_jNaNAZ-IPdiiLORX5LjjiX76YQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! The only one problem is... MONEY. I'm not talking about the Hard Disks, Memory Cards, etc. I'm talking about a reality that it seems you don't know: HERE, in the not-= USA part of America, there are thousands of stations that can't to buy the = original CDs, because CDs aren't a cheap issue here (if you think about the= tons of music you can buy today). So, all those stations download audio fr= om YouTube or other Internet services. You have to understand that all the = Internet audio services are data compressed and very bad quality. So... Of course, the ideal world is talking about uncompressed digital audio at 4= 8 kHz and 24 bits. But never forget there are two worlds in this planet: US= A and other few rich countries and the not-USA, not-rich countries (like my= beautiful and outstanding country: Chile). There was the time when the discographic industry often to give "Promotiona= l Material" to the stations, absolutely free (with some extra "incentive" t= o the DJs to put an specific song on the air, of course). But, it isn't tha= t way today. Some discographic factories, in the best of the cases, offer s= ome discount, nothing more. This is our reality. Crude, but real. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America,, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > > On 7/30/2010 11:27 PM, george russell wrote: > > At the risk of blinding a weather satellite with my shiny head, I must = tip my hat to those two stations! >=20 > I am VERY Anal about the Audio Quality of the stations I engineer for. >=20 > I bet those are the ONLY 2 AMs in SC that has passed an Audio Proof in 20= 10! >=20 > --=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jul 31 11:50:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6358 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2010 18:50:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2010 18:50:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2010 18:50:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2010 18:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2010 18:48:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:48:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0270C7C028954C4B8F6BDFDE15D977CE@seagull> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.210 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bxXZ3N2qMgEZGXjEbn_dOLCFDVdHTQpbBd9FupQBYoGFEfl5sA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wr= ote: > >=20=20 >=20=20 > But I can say this with confidence and conviction. DAB+ sounds exactly t= he > same as what you'd hear from an iPod/mp3 player. >=20=20 The question is: Which iPod/MP3 player quality you get? There isn't two pla= yers with the same sound because you can use a lot of compression combinati= ons. So... it isn't a good parameter to compare. > > There are no blips blops and fadeouts. No rotating your radio receiver. > You either get a perfect signal ... or you don't. >=20=20 Is this "new" way a better way to get something? If you have a perfect some= thing, you get something. If you don't have a perfect something, you get no= thing. ??? Is it the new idea of "better"? ??? > > In some ways it's not as warm and deep as a perfect C-quam AM stereo sign= al. > Well, if the "new toy" can not to do what the "old toy" could do... Do you = think you can convince the listener to invest in the "new toy"? >=20=20 > But DAB+ will appeal to the masses. It already is in Oz. And that is go= od. >=20=20 WE ALREADY HAVE A VERY GOOD AND RELIABLE SYSTEM TODAY: THE ANALOG AM SYSTEM= . WHY TO CHANGE IT ONLY BECAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING NEW? ??? It is the same that an old joke: Question: What is the similar characteristic between the women and the dolp= hins? Answer: Intelligence, everybody talks about it but nobody have been able to= prove it. My humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile,, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 01 17:44:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14310 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2010 00:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2010 00:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2010 00:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2010 00:43:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2010 00:43:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 00:43:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C53EDC2.8000109@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Qp4wY-UPmJzKJKrJmypqtkv1uv97lFGRsDJJGR1RCFvY_Vd4PxSyQWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey Possum Hunter, why not an Optimod 9100B stereo? Actually, isn't there = a stereo Orban again, like the 9300 or 9400?? JP --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: >WQIZ uses an Orban Optimod 9200 into a Harris Gates 5 Transmitter. PS: I have a primative audio recording of Lenny Kahn saying exactly what yo= ur 'signature line' says (from WSPD when it was Kahn)! From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 01 17:51:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71277 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2010 00:51:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2010 00:51:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.86) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2010 00:51:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9622 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2010 00:51:18 -0000 Message-ID: <708162.8873.qm@web112008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tpv84uQVM1kMFH5_HNfZnUvNOzbMvnc47P4pbw0RAeetv8. 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Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=T0MQBhgyoFv1Wy2wHYL-tLQwWiqTD7ryK1YKX9sqa1g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They don't have the money for it.... unless someone buys all the equipment for them. Hint Hint. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 8:43:41 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio Hey Possum Hunter, why not an Optimod 9100B stereo? Actually, isn't there a stereo Orban again, like the 9300 or 9400?? JP --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: >WQIZ uses an Orban Optimod 9200 into a Harris Gates 5 Transmitter. PS: I have a primative audio recording of Lenny Kahn saying exactly what your 'signature line' says (from WSPD when it was Kahn)! ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 01 17:57:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79515 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2010 00:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2010 00:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2010 00:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2010 00:57:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2010 00:57:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 00:57:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C538ADB.3090001@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ZrMCcj3eCIZk32KwRl2idsLKRffZgwwZ4M2uhFalbcx8ToryWWHhPq4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Cheap Channel here actually has them as MP2 files instead of WAV files, so = kudos to you for uncompressed music! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > 1300 WCKI and 810 WQIZ both store 100% of the audio as uncompressed .wav= =20 > files. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Aug 01 19:04:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33457 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2010 02:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2010 02:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f181.google.com) (209.85.160.181) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2010 02:04:36 -0000 X-Received: by gyf1 with SMTP id 1so1770375gyf.40 for ; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:04:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.125.18 with SMTP id c18mr5417534ann.228.1280714676280; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.15] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u14sm8758900ann.0.2010.08.01.19.04.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 22:04:33 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <106CA5D5-7627-4ABA-9975-9563EEC16939@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.181 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Uc7brg5WCe8kMOoNf84z38fRLNHSCVxSmODqJ6lQL19oRmEyPDMde5vH6KZdmA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2010, at 8:43 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > Hey Possum Hunter, why not an Optimod 9100B stereo? Actually, isn't ther= e a stereo Orban again, like the 9300 or 9400?? Donate one and I will have it on the air in less then 24 Hours! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Aug 01 19:06:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39012 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2010 02:06:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2010 02:06:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.161.173) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2010 02:06:46 -0000 X-Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so1258267gxk.18 for ; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:06:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.38.4 with SMTP id l4mr5483378anl.134.1280714805825; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.15] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i30sm8756642anh.29.2010.08.01.19.06.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) In-Reply-To: <708162.8873.qm@web112008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 22:06:43 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <46C2AF04-B34A-4C1C-980E-81FE11913633@gmail.com> References: <708162.8873.qm@web112008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=0gRPJSM62ntaTrt_kt2Nlrwj6CcERuga9Nirm7TJIeEXui3zU6xGmmpciX8vWw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > They don't have the money for it.... unless someone buys all the equipmen= t for=20 > them. Hint Hint. We are a 501C3 Non Profit, so you can take the price of the equipment right= off of your Taxes! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Aug 01 19:09:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31478 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2010 02:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2010 02:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f176.google.com) (209.85.161.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2010 02:09:35 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 7so1299623gxk.21 for ; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:09:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.55.23 with SMTP id d23mr5783018yba.408.1280714975132; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.15] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m12sm4822578ybn.7.2010.08.01.19.09.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 22:09:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <97AAC795-9AE2-4601-A0DE-3B67E8DB5DE7@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.176 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=NAmgLpx3YBNziOyEidi4N4jq6G3G57VWqkMSsbf7gl37PDApPEZhwQnFfIj82w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2010, at 8:57 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > Cheap Channel here actually has them as MP2 files instead of WAV files, s= o kudos to you for uncompressed music! Being a Christian Talk station that is an EWTN Affiliate, we play very litt= le music, but what we do sounds GOOD. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 02 10:09:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1889 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2010 17:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2010 17:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2010 17:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2010 17:09:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2010 17:09:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:09:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <106CA5D5-7627-4ABA-9975-9563EEC16939@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.84 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Humble Opinion About Digital Audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=kxLvklyfw7wRcEfBupRrbG07K-XEcw-wKl3gGdtVNhaOVnd3GA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 If someone wants to donate one of this monsters to "my" damaged station, it= would be a very good and nice human kindness demonstration and I will fore= ver in debt. But, an Orban Optimod AM 9100B can not to change the main problem here: HOW= TO REVIVAL THE AM BAND AS AT THE OLDEN TIMES. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 1, 2010, at 8:43 PM, toledohamradio wrote: >=20 > > Hey Possum Hunter, why not an Optimod 9100B stereo? Actually, isn't th= ere a stereo Orban again, like the 9300 or 9400?? >=20 > Donate one and I will have it on the air in less then 24 Hours! > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 04 06:51:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33852 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2010 13:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2010 13:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2010 13:51:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71108 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2010 13:51:30 -0000 Message-ID: <770836.71027.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hiyR9aQVM1mWB.1ExTzbJQj33qy4a6nqe0kxk_nIcjkPsOL y_baJctoBYqOl.7T0XmBuky2mvidZFAak8pf05z2sqEfhnZkQ6owQJQXhb56 P.DXa4k4yALcZ4yE9lZZwlU_5F2_T46i5q_fvs9Lg8SKIfYH9TXJ2UYWywb6 MUHn8aVyJfRUE6vKar9Oz4F08RAm9JbWwiWrWEGyCzg.Q0u1WaDx2IN2s5sv k_NFWPETYepEanvf2AuVwgYtU91rVJPb1xnUPjxVEgpNnwwjF85xEU6yPS6h rQwHldguuzq8Rz73fdS84pZYFrSuHTs_Z4lBH1vQ- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:51:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 06:51:30 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: More "stereo AM" on DAB+ in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=iJSW4gWXTtCpAcQ3MuepObRaKkCZKj14digjRP0ZJZ3wF3mytp7PYr8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ian and radio friends down under: "A new DAB+ multiple is up and running in the Australian capital city of Canberra. The turn-up marks the first trial outside of the five original DAB+ launch cities of Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide. Canberrans with digital receivers can now hear 10 stations including simulcast commercial programmers 2CA, 2CC, Mix 106.3, 104.7 Hit Music, plus multicultural and multilingual stations SBS Radio 1 and SBS Radio 2. Four new digital-only stations -- Radar Radio, Mix Plus, my Canberra Digital and Hot Country Canberra Digital -- are also available, with two more streams on the way in a matter of days." From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Fri Aug 06 02:14:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15400 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2010 09:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2010 09:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.149) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2010 09:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100806091409.OAGQ12312.nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:14:09 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100806091408.MTYH8424.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:14:08 +0000 To: References: <770836.71027.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:14:08 +1000 Message-ID: <1587E18C5699438CAAC5E33752AD1BBB@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acsz3C9TJC8IuMuyRUunMvZX9wtyVwBYsq8g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: <770836.71027.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090204.4C5BD261.0148,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rh46EtD8TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7zhKrMwhNn2xDhcNhOPP2UqY6X0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.149 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Johnny Electron > Ian and radio friends down under: > "A new DAB+ multiple is up and running in the Australian capital city > of Canberra. The turn-up marks the first trial outside of the five > original DAB+ launch cities of Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth > and Adelaide. > Canberrans with digital receivers can now hear 10 stations including > simulcast commercial programmers 2CA, 2CC, Mix 106.3, 104.7 Hit Music, > plus multicultural and multilingual stations SBS Radio 1 and SBS Radio 2. > Four new digital-only stations -- Radar Radio, Mix Plus, my Canberra > Digital and Hot Country Canberra Digital -- are also available, with two > more streams on the way in a matter of days." Yo Johnny! You are well informed as to what's happening in this Great Brown Land. :) The fact that the Canberra market has chosen to trial DAB+ less than 12 months after its official launch in the big cities bodes well for the continuation of this system well into the future. It sounds great, and already there are so many extra digital only stations available. When you visit the big stores most have a digital radio section containing a variety of radios from many manufacturers (but not Sony yet!) at prices now as low as A$79. Most sales staff seem to understand what it is. When ignorant listeners go to purchase a new radio at these stores it's likely that the sales staff will promote digital radios because they are more expensive. The selling point seems to be more the extra features and extra stations rather than the quality of the sound. It's oh so different than the launch of C-quam AM stereo in 1985. I only ever saw one AMS Sony tuner available in the stores, and the nice Sangean SR66 "walkman". The sales staff didn't seem to know how they were different to any other models. For over 20 years they didn't seem to know anything more about AM stereo than the average Joe. In this week's 40 page The Age Green Guide (possibly the best free TV/Radio newspaper supplement in the world) there was a two page article celebrating the 30th anniversary of commercial FM radio in Oz. In these 30 years I've never felt any loyalty to any FM station as they tend to all be clones of each other. One of the successful PDs (Lee Simon from Melbourne's MMM) did have something to say about the new challenge that the AM stations launched five years after their existence. "The AM music stations tried to portray FM as something that would take decades to establish itself, then introduced AM stereo. I remember saying to Green Guide's radio reporter at the time, 'Now AM sounds twice as bad'. It was very short-lived". In many ways this comment sums it up. Though I enjoyed it for over 20 years buying my radios from America and Japan ... until it was gone. Radio station 2CA in Canberra probably will go down in history as being the only AM station in the world to transmit in AM stereo and DAB+ at the same time. But hopefully for your sake Johnny, this may be repeated in America when the IBOC disaster comes to an end and Americans can embrace a decent sounding digital radio system. To those on this list ... what have you got against DAB+ radio? I joined this list because I wanted to hear my favourite (and other) AM stations in hi-fi stereo. Now I am hearing them all in hi-fi stereo. I love it! But I miss a bit of the fantastic advocacy that we used to have. Besides the actual quality of sound ... the quality of programming is really more important. And that's the way it should be. Ian Melbourne PS ... I trust the Mudhens are doing well in Toledo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Aug 06 06:11:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2825 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2010 13:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2010 13:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f53.google.com) (74.125.83.53) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2010 13:11:21 -0000 X-Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1so3382514gwb.12 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 06:10:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.136.30 with SMTP id o30mr13623479ann.224.1281100254483; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 06:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a12sm2229668and.16.2010.08.06.06.10.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 06 Aug 2010 06:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) In-Reply-To: <1587E18C5699438CAAC5E33752AD1BBB@seagull> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:10:51 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <71EC33DA-05AE-4E66-9128-0895BA780E05@gmail.com> References: <770836.71027.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1587E18C5699438CAAC5E33752AD1BBB@seagull> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=a3B8y-uE_uZxR4iwTShk4GQQ_n2YcVuPsUR0u7xa19h3Uo1dTgjPvsGd3SlbVw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 6, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > To those on this list ... what have you got against DAB+ radio I don't think anybody here is against DAB+, but it won't happen in the US. = The VHF frequencies used are still being used for Over-The-Air TV, and the = Military won't give up the S-Band. There is huge pressure on TV to give up = UHF for Mobile Broadband Internet. The AM Improvement plan I like is to expand the FM band down to 76 MHz and = migrate Class D and some Class B AMs to the new FM band. Unfortunately it looks like the US is stuck with the inferior HD-Radio syst= em. :-( 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 06 15:24:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44261 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2010 22:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2010 22:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.187) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2010 22:24:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72618 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2010 22:23:20 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.31.53.116 with login) by smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Aug 2010 15:23:20 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: qYetUgQVM1kqNN4oBBXkGDNtBStDZ3z1sE4F4Xqnl4ypcdM mAdvdoJBj6wU306VXkq5TfS_JiftRO4Q8k5kCMZxK0HLqeUW5PqpHFU_UdJr CkjjjnkgRSEpLQ0ihK_2gJ1UipguY5sb_TCMd5C7lp3H2rZ.tHcbJAoy9Vjt Igop.8k05A1rPEJ0NmvBmeeIsC0XTvvHpryw0mQPL0zFhbglaVzNfgAkR4ZG KkPProHOPD2ptyJ.DlARKPeUZKBpH X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 03:51:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.187 From: "jim smith" Subject: Parts 15 loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=2Mf1A3TJer9FJPs3tr3CsTZb4SbxDIS0JAwdgqD58C-kX73QusTaMt6pefcYfLi8nZqA874t X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was wondering if useing a plastic coffee can would give me a bit more range than a 11/2 in pvc pipe for a loadig coil.Also i don't know why but the front page of the forum is not refreshing for some reason . I am geting all the newest posts to my e -mail.Thanks Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 06 15:31:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72542 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2010 22:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2010 22:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2010 22:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2010 22:28:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2010 22:28:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:28:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.53.116 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Parts 15 loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=tTirjwYG0OLIzCC278LDl9SIhQU8H7ownnFjGIux2ZSrRN3S1Ka1s3O4DmnqVZtA3mqZQzn7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I was wondering if useing a plastic coffee can would give me a b= it more range than a 11/2 in pvc pipe for a loadig coil.Also i don't know w= hy but the front page of the forum is not refreshing for some reason . I am= geting all the newest posts to my e -mail.Thanks Jim S >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > P.S I ment one and a haft inch pvc pipe. Jim From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 06 15:34:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77560 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2010 22:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2010 22:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2010 22:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o76MYjJU001913 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:34:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c17.7fbd1982 (43960) for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:34:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m16.mail.aol.com (magic-m16.mail.aol.com [172.21.188.208]) by cia-dd02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD021-abb84c5c8e022e1; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:34:42 -0400 Message-ID: <66053.464c811d.398de802@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:34:42 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.188.208 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Parts 15 loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=oz6C2JVc9HGs3Gy4EtLNGlm6g0zXVLaYni9bAv07wX2zx6mdf2om4vP0dIJNlzl6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only if you used heavier guage wire. Most of the transmitter's output is dissipated in the loading and ground. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Aug 06 16:16:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63102 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2010 23:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2010 23:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f42.google.com) (209.85.216.42) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2010 23:16:00 -0000 X-Received: by qwb8 with SMTP id 8so7040861qwb.1 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:15:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.19.17 with SMTP id y17mr6430011qaa.374.1281136559245; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (ip70-176-52-120.ph.ph.cox.net [70.176.52.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t24sm2473113qcs.11.2010.08.06.16.15.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <402AB95778B44551B9E0678B4707E7E4@mygateway> To: References: <66053.464c811d.398de802@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:15:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-EsetScannerBuild: 7612 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.42 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Parts 15 loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=wxesgPDTzBRl7ZSvUHBYQVAV0RNAChkiqICK0b7kvL_7ZeHXs-uw X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what kind of heavier guage wire can we use? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Parts 15 loading coil Only if you used heavier guage wire. Most of the transmitter's output is dissipated in the loading and ground. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5348 (20100806) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5348 (20100806) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 06 19:47:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8024 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2010 02:47:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2010 02:47:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2010 02:47:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34189 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2010 02:47:32 -0000 Message-ID: <698544.33484.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nF.3OAQVM1kaUi7Y6GTL0zl_gkSx3cHDCn2.dc4KL7lUMUS 8ptPTwo0TZqq7VpmZ2cc3JWr_6AEoFS6Rky4hH.6Q17AcF3UBHQ_r5iVRNFA heLVJSuhBq3Ardk5cLMLYWw8cxZ_2qJFpyTpgEDVWfCiuO.PpOopjcxzIOw5 0_.sUBokBMn5njXDwnydVMobZ2Ev2Hw6FflYmio01BGQPpO7iOt8o_qOymdc 0XGk69yKkvP9zy8TOm5ROAi9E7DX8qdEqg7ee6_j_KV1Td9Oo2QknKfQ.fA9 i6oFlbNmCq6Pxl9W1MVhpOwTqH4WoK5zb5K1qUzsfirJ7QeU.G1lftnVAdId WH1uR0nKcCWylgTyTHozhF5nVRbo. X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 19:47:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:47:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <71EC33DA-05AE-4E66-9128-0895BA780E05@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=NBKpmO1xqiZ5zNHxWwC9v7sLBe1H3-a5J0JRLRKAQTYFoA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DAB+ sounds fine to me, but isn't it on VHF or UHF? =C2=A0AM may be passe n= ow as for stereo high fidelity (though it doesn't HAVE to be), but there is= no getting around it's ability to go the distance, and reach a huge number= of potential listeners per watt.Why not have BOTH DAB+ and C-QUAM? =C2=A0T= hey needn't compete, they could compliment each other!G --- On Fri, 8/6/10, Kevin Raper wrote: From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 9:10 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On Aug 6, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > To those on this list ... what have you got against DAB+ radio I don't think anybody here is against DAB+, but it won't happen in the US. = The VHF frequencies used are still being used for Over-The-Air TV, and the = Military won't give up the S-Band. There is huge pressure on TV to give up = UHF for Mobile Broadband Internet. The AM Improvement plan I like is to expand the FM band down to 76 MHz and = migrate Class D and some Class B AMs to the new FM band. Unfortunately it looks like the US is stuck with the inferior HD-Radio syst= em. :-( 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 06 19:48:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37146 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2010 02:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2010 02:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2010 02:48:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38734 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2010 02:48:51 -0000 Message-ID: <759467.38531.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qR12fHUVM1nZ_rN5OSJW1cDf__nGxXiibR1Dv1aYgtKb0er Ahg1xdHSjfI.KHcu8BdBHda5HyEiNuJTdgGnwigPo6dc6rKoVDOHTg6OKbXc O2BL8mUAlDGZCGXZt5n6Vd1FvTBMjgIFF87qBMVf2nJtRhO9qVp.AsB2lJg_ I3doAbWWpZesMLkRXA1ETaHO4s0H3UiYo9NY6MzRbnN7FhVaYeFQEcTbgAx0 bp0fobVgV6UgJFWoTRa_mfD.qSdDSGeF3RJwZQps4JDeQIn2JTwTn3Sp0JMm VPsn3UK0My29J41Z17WLu5jzu6rEhAvde0H5qlT8mcMOy6dv20TQMO91zSYF vBs2YqGlDXl7rJQdVKDtSFM.HHy0- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 19:48:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:48:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <402AB95778B44551B9E0678B4707E7E4@mygateway> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Parts 15 loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=1y3EYzJeXCSQc4JeCquGyhIj05BxVgyPAkqUm1IULoGhBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how about 1/4 inch thick, 500 strand Litz? =C2=A0JUST KIDDING! =C2=A0G --- On Fri, 8/6/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Parts 15 loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:15 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 what kind of heavier guage wire can we use? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mjgrant@aol.com=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Parts 15 loading coil Only if you used heavier guage wire. Most of the transmitter's output is=20 dissipated in the loading and ground. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5348 (20100806) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5348 (20100806) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 07 00:45:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55534 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2010 07:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2010 07:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2010 07:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2010 07:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2010 07:42:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 07:42:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.55.80 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Parts 15 loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=qd4kIEzOdNFv6JnOvzsZknjlbMLTWJQGwAQLZEsFs7mROy84bqsUTm16_MG4nsrBQTZDxHbW X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I was wondering if useing a plastic coffee can would give me a= bit more range than a 11/2 in pvc pipe for a loadig coil.Also i don't know= why but the front page of the forum is not refreshing for some reason . I = am geting all the newest posts to my e -mail.Thanks Jim S > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > P.S I ment one and a haft inch pvc pipe. Jim > Hi Gang again. How many turns do I make it for 1000 AM ? Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 07 03:41:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57275 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2010 10:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2010 10:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2010 10:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o77AfPCe031421 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2010 06:41:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e24.9a33087 (43838) for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2010 06:41:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m21.mail.aol.com (magic-m21.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.194]) by cia-dc03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC033-ab3e4c5d384f141; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 06:41:19 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad4e.26f63fc1.398e924f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 06:41:19 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.194 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Parts 15 loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2tW0FfkcTruFdWjy9FNVsHXjb-wH89AxtMBIcdbxH9dIp816PnRYccne2oGG6Clq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, It would most likely be far more advantageous to tune the coil you have than building a heftier coil. A large coil might have a fraction of ohm difference whereas mistuning usually results in tens if not hundreds of ohms difference. How to tune it depends on the equipment you are using. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 07 04:03:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76816 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2010 11:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2010 11:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.187) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2010 11:03:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60507 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2010 11:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.20.191.135 with login) by smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Aug 2010 04:03:34 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: hdMBzuYVM1m.pCHT6T5onHAPE1a7G.dl7lj21YHKLBsmUxo 2VryrTqauDrYWo6IybjpjnIok41o11Lak4V0EYwvOwVHXoB_f1pBqSSCwvDR d6eMlHNIs3B24Agi9YNBpQl6L3.hWkahCHRfFoAeg3wDgZU4K42tSgEU41W8 xz7r9PEqprTZu3NkD.gEkKUarMaZSUbNx7fthi1bS07SIn_KfFCoUx31TzTk D7VNhk2zWzhaaLXzV4vf8zEwpo4HAx.UUFHuc..1Uf0H7LW1_pOzUrSFV0qK WS0If8iD_8lQnzHQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <4ad4e.26f63fc1.398e924f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:04:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Parts 15 loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=AnjZ5ej3Q5JDAPm0qKVkrhSzLSvrVGPcfzeEgbF_2Mbsxb96XNrs66J5BMDRDe36C-mnLHRR X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike I am useing a fixed cap. And the coil is about 85 turns around a one and a haft inch pvc pipe. It was perty close to a toilet paper towel role.Later to tired to wight. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:41 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Parts 15 loading coil Jim, It would most likely be far more advantageous to tune the coil you have than building a heftier coil. A large coil might have a fraction of ohm difference whereas mistuning usually results in tens if not hundreds of ohms difference. How to tune it depends on the equipment you are using. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Aug 07 05:01:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97912 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2010 12:01:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2010 12:01:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2010 12:01:38 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100807120127.TGBL11569.nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2010 12:01:27 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100807120126.OXDI8424.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2010 12:01:26 +0000 To: References: <71EC33DA-05AE-4E66-9128-0895BA780E05@gmail.com> <698544.33484.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:01:26 +1000 Message-ID: <79F21B4A2DF24559A45545573CAA4D75@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <698544.33484.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: Acs120MYeFd0OrkFS1KooA8mqh6xoQAQZpIQ X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090206.4C5D4B17.007C,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: qBkzEtD/TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU6nyN7MwhNn2xDlcNxiPPmAqYav0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.146 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: george russell > DAB+ sounds fine to me, but isn't it on VHF or UHF? AM may be > passe now as for stereo high fidelity though it doesn't HAVE to > be), but there is no getting around it's ability to go the distance, > and reach a huge number of potential listeners per watt. Why not > have BOTH DAB+ and C-QUAM? They needn't compete, they > could compliment each other! G Yo George! I have to preface my response that I'm not technical. I guess I need to say that AM clarity has always been tarnished by what you alluded to saying ... "though it doesn't HAVE to be". The truth is that AM radio signals do travel further than others. But the world is changing. What the idiots want is loud and clear radio. It's what they always will. Whatever we suggest must at least be as good as what they get now. It's possible (and something I expect) that the US has too many radio bands allocated to different things. That's not a criticism ... just maybe a reality. In Oz, we have analog TV officially closing down in the next couple of years. It's just commenced in my Victoria's north east and it's so far gone very well. The federal government is giving assistance to pensioners in Mildura and environs providing them with cheap $35 digital set top boxes. The others have to pay for it. Which to me seems right. This apparently releases a major spectrum for other digital thingos. As far as I can understand all digital radio stations (and there are already heaps of them) are to take up the TV band that would have been Channel 9A ... if we had one. I'll end with the untechnical comment that if the American government wanted to give its radio listeners better radio it maybe should try and fee up some part of the spectrum. I don't think the DAB+ band that we have is very big ... but I have no technical knowledge in saying so. It seems to me that there must be a way for the US to go DAB+. But I may be wrong ... Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 07 06:34:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63166 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2010 13:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2010 13:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2010 13:34:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18269 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2010 13:34:17 -0000 Message-ID: <97025.16689.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6MqIFMEVM1nayYLLV5q_zSTI1.UPL90HLC2K8l1obGzQfP0 JsHFLoSg9Pok5hBJxETOLWMhQCLF14j85AbGlJ9_VUChcnUu5BRLVm4GxqqG PLrccY8YnEaAV_TeMx_U3mTSGEMvzwGMWqqkXY2DYz0s.cqK.QsOyMyBo9Qp KlBHML7LukO.kvGI1ksbACTjzhMAhhWEeoxE5ssqe67rnpyMv3QaZUmOdFs. pdSojyPr0tX30fP.x5B1flv7UthCbNHWXd5siecSyhA8M0UtFtBMLvOanJuT Bmg_KGv41IWST9q95iAT7iQUX X-Received: from [71.162.91.69] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 06:34:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 06:34:17 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: B-day weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Dq7cCzQjradgJDbck5ox1nPN2-HuOsKCPQmAb3SvpvM2RHbKk2FP X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My girlfriend (soon to be fiancee) is taking me to Atlantic City today for = a birthday weekend (tomorrow).=A0 I'll be trying to check out WLAD, WREF & = WCTC at the very least. Have an excellent weekend!=A0 It is my birthday tomorrow so I command it! := p 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 07 18:46:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33979 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2010 01:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2010 01:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2010 01:46:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24271 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2010 01:46:03 -0000 Message-ID: <244661.24059.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PyPCYmkVM1lh3tezu6tPzYblXaxpmkAoevzzW5zk0dYgrqc P9xPjnyzC1_rTiJd11s2CgYCKf3Kbkbi0KShxxmQ2IJo7H9Lei4VoyBUZZ2U 2vjKswT5OI5Lg_1CpnV93Lg5QffDj11.FzTiPDZ9nGIZJtefhpLuwbo8Xrz7 pgG8OxqKiip02gpxhnvflFpLbIYw5Im2JJj4Zm5EYeY5HPz4C.fVzMPDsOFW wPWG.KdOvK7sMSuUwI.MyYLV1AVijHSmDl7pNxNpFXC8tIlp8fgaYlRf9dhB Pk6G3kYQI_K2knbYiCkoWG2KMdWrDUbRDMpVysHkdPF8Gub9Nj4wYs5dez_q TO9K1yO.HecTnc5gpR9.IsX4G4bk- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:46:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:46:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <79F21B4A2DF24559A45545573CAA4D75@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=_0ythu7G4v0AQqKx3PVpERS0PzvZ3WMq49dz6tDHfx4hOg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You're absolutely right, and if we must go digital, better DAB+ on higher b= ands than IBOC cluttering up an already crowded lower band. =C2=A0BTW, it l= ooks like IBOC is going over about as well as Fiats on a Ford lot, and my h= eart is NOT broken by that! =C2=A0I will rejoice when it is just a bad memo= ry. =C2=A0G --- On Sat, 8/7/10, Ian Davidson wrote: From: Ian Davidson Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 7, 2010, 8:01 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From: george russell > DAB+ sounds fine to me, but isn't it on VHF or UHF? AM may be > passe now as for stereo high fidelity though it doesn't HAVE to=20 > be), but there is no getting around it's ability to go the distance, > and reach a huge number of potential listeners per watt. Why not > have BOTH DAB+ and C-QUAM? They needn't compete, they > could compliment each other! G =20 Yo George! =20 I have to preface my response that I'm not technical. =20 I guess I need to say that AM clarity has always been tarnished by what you alluded to saying ... "though it doesn't HAVE to be". The truth is that AM radio signals do travel further than others. But the world is changing. What the idiots want is loud and clear radio. It's what they always will. Whatever we suggest must at least be as good as what they get now. =20 It's possible (and something I expect) that the US has too many radio bands allocated to different things. =20 That's not a criticism ... just maybe a reality. =20 In Oz, we have analog TV officially closing down in the next couple of years. It's just commenced in my Victoria's north east and it's so far gon= e very well. The federal government is giving assistance to pensioners in Mildura and environs providing them with cheap $35 digital set top boxes. The others have to pay for it. Which to me seems right. =20 This apparently releases a major spectrum for other digital thingos. =20 As far as I can understand all digital radio stations (and there are alread= y heaps of them) are to take up the TV band that would have been Channel 9A ... if we had one. =20 I'll end with the untechnical comment that if the American government wante= d to give its radio listeners better radio it maybe should try and fee up som= e part of the spectrum. I don't think the DAB+ band that we have is very big ... but I have no technical knowledge in saying so. =20 It seems to me that there must be a way for the US to go DAB+. =20 But I may be wrong ... =20 =20 Ian Melbourne =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 07 18:47:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90570 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2010 01:47:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2010 01:47:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2010 01:47:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40193 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2010 01:47:37 -0000 Message-ID: <36712.37791.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vkzvPogVM1nha9DA.p8doL_jueXAESK5Rq40ouOKVe3f5Bk aaPIaha8w3pmbnEdoA.LVw4y.sixGfscO4WgJa4JuOHu4sMs8m1yv_kkDBQQ aFHZl4FgVdZ.oWZngDJjHm6k87HSjegw.mEFSBc_VADdrOVHSD437IL6j1XG cvj.fP3BQvEVg_Rhf_LJpp0O3HFJkM4jxlYniqv0Jta1QcLC2nA7F9k3nnwQ hBESO5O7bjErwG1LFoz1y88CK4d6iYDtE7omu_FjgPxYBBKlc6FrnbAf5Mco lHMglncyguD32OPuMFqb1nGt.pluCwwLFQybAQkrqv8.h228TUeWKrftOKZt x X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:47:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:47:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <97025.16689.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} B-day weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=mAK9gjQ0RUANuhKJqVQQ85zn3eu8rJYfbmYGH7Hu4TF6Qg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay, happy B-day, and may the gods of electromagnetic propagation favor you= ! =C2=A0G=C2=A0 --- On Sat, 8/7/10, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: {AMSF} B-day weekend To: "AMSF" Date: Saturday, August 7, 2010, 9:34 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 My girlfriend (soon to be fiancee) is taking me to Atlantic City toda= y for a birthday weekend (tomorrow).=C2=A0 I'll be trying to check out WLAD= , WREF & WCTC at the very least. Have an excellent weekend!=C2=A0 It is my birthday tomorrow so I command it= ! :p 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 07 19:48:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39531 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2010 02:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2010 02:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2010 02:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o782mKYP025223 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:48:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.cf3.79140cb4 (37576) for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:48:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m20.mail.aol.com (magic-m20.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.193]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB051-92c84c5e1af379; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:48:19 -0400 Message-ID: <6351b.6e0fefea.398f74f3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:48:19 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.193 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} B-day weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6vqf1vGOc3BAF-40MrV6rrD9EB-WnYn1prsMmlGfG9sAdouUYxMJvtCinMAp-X7n X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy birthday from me as well, Jay. May you have many more. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 07 22:56:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71413 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2010 05:56:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2010 05:56:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2010 05:56:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2010 05:56:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2010 05:56:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 05:56:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <698544.33484.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.238 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=shwFqKHiAuYHDsip91VXRYc3RTEe-suqSQYUpCPJDrlZ681N7w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I think the main problem here isn't the DAB+ potential or the analog AM Ste= reo quality. The main problem here is: HOW TO RE-EDUCATE THE LISTENERS TO BRING/COME BAC= K THEM TO THE AM SYSTEM. I mean, today, if we could get a tuner with AM band (MW mostly), I need to = get a good quality AM tuner section. But tell me: How can you convince an standard listener about where is the o= rigin of the bad quality AM reception if you can not to change any on the "= modern" electronic chips? So... we need to come back to the origin of the problem: THE TUNER ITSELF. If somebody can get an old (but so good) AM tuner from the 1960's or 1970's= and to show what really is a good AM tuner section, then it is a first ste= p. Then we have to educate the today listeners about something absolutely basi= c: A GOOD AM RECEPTION NEEDS (yes or yes) A VERY GOOD RECEPTION ANTENNA!!! It is specially a real thing in the typical "concrete cities" we often live= . We need an external (open air) antenna, correctly installed and connected= to the tuner. That is the second step. The last step is to change the broadcasters mind. We need a good program to= listen. With the typical today "talk, sport and news" format... mmm, I rea= lly think the battle and the war are lost. And trust me: it doesn't matter which analog or digital system you test, yo= u won't win any if you forget the steps before. BTW: We should to forget the romantic "DX" days. We have to focus on the lo= cal radio. If you want to cover a major area, just use repeaters (in the AM= bands, of course). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > DAB+ sounds fine to me, but isn't it on VHF or UHF? =C2=A0AM may be passe= now as for stereo high fidelity (though it doesn't HAVE to be), but there = is no getting around it's ability to go the distance, and reach a huge numb= er of potential listeners per watt.Why not have BOTH DAB+ and C-QUAM? =C2= =A0They needn't compete, they could compliment each other!G >=20 > --- On Fri, 8/6/10, Kevin Raper wrote: >=20 > From: Kevin Raper > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 9:10 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > On Aug 6, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > To those on this list ... what have you got against DAB+ radio >=20 >=20 >=20 > I don't think anybody here is against DAB+, but it won't happen in the US= . The VHF frequencies used are still being used for Over-The-Air TV, and th= e Military won't give up the S-Band. There is huge pressure on TV to give u= p UHF for Mobile Broadband Internet. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The AM Improvement plan I like is to expand the FM band down to 76 MHz an= d migrate Class D and some Class B AMs to the new FM band. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Unfortunately it looks like the US is stuck with the inferior HD-Radio sy= stem. :-( >=20 >=20 >=20 > 73, >=20 > Kevin Raper >=20 > KJ4HYD >=20 > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 >=20 >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 07 23:01:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78016 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2010 06:01:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2010 06:01:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2010 06:01:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2010 06:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2010 06:01:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 06:01:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <97025.16689.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.238 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: B-day weekend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=UPKAeCjdr6OO67NYtFt-L8MnRGIM6_tkhbfovJFVnn7H9MsHLA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 ♫♪Happy birthday to you,♫♪ ♫♪Happy birthday to you,♫♪ ♫♪Happy birthday JNR,♫♪ ♫♪Happy birthday to you.♫♪ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > My girlfriend (soon to be fiancee) is taking me to Atlantic City today fo= r a birthday weekend (tomorrow).=A0 I'll be trying to check out WLAD, WREF = & WCTC at the very least. >=20 > Have an excellent weekend!=A0 It is my birthday tomorrow so I command it!= :p >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Aug 08 18:19:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87437 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2010 01:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2010 01:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ey0-f173.google.com) (209.85.215.173) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2010 01:19:37 -0000 X-Received: by eyb6 with SMTP id 6so14498447eyb.18 for ; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 18:19:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.213.113.18 with SMTP id y18mr2088832ebp.69.1281316776328; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 18:19:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.213.108.148 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 18:19:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <698544.33484.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:19:36 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=XKTwAp0q1ZaOeov9-oGZlyVdImiZm0CRSYTmzbcBEqribV06 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As Ian said, the introduction of DAB+ is going really well in Australia. I am from Perth. There are several new stations but it is mostly simulcasts o= f existing AM and FM stations which is a bit of a waste of greenhouse gases :-P. The stations using more than 60kbps sound quite good. On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Jota wrote: > > > I think the main problem here isn't the DAB+ potential or the analog AM > Stereo quality. > > The main problem here is: HOW TO RE-EDUCATE THE LISTENERS TO BRING/COME > BACK THEM TO THE AM SYSTEM. > > I mean, today, if we could get a tuner with AM band (MW mostly), I need t= o > get a good quality AM tuner section. > > But tell me: How can you convince an standard listener about where is the > origin of the bad quality AM reception if you can not to change any on th= e > "modern" electronic chips? > > So... we need to come back to the origin of the problem: THE TUNER ITSELF= . > > If somebody can get an old (but so good) AM tuner from the 1960's or 1970= 's > and to show what really is a good AM tuner section, then it is a first st= ep. > > Then we have to educate the today listeners about something absolutely > basic: A GOOD AM RECEPTION NEEDS (yes or yes) A VERY GOOD RECEPTION > ANTENNA!!! > > It is specially a real thing in the typical "concrete cities" we often > live. We need an external (open air) antenna, correctly installed and > connected to the tuner. > > That is the second step. > > The last step is to change the broadcasters mind. We need a good program = to > listen. With the typical today "talk, sport and news" format... mmm, I > really think the battle and the war are lost. > > And trust me: it doesn't matter which analog or digital system you test, > you won't win any if you forget the steps before. > > BTW: We should to forget the romantic "DX" days. We have to focus on the > local radio. If you want to cover a major area, just use repeaters (in th= e > AM bands, of course). > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > george russell wrote: > > > > DAB+ sounds fine to me, but isn't it on VHF or UHF? =C2 AM may be passe= now > as for stereo high fidelity (though it doesn't HAVE to be), but there is = no > getting around it's ability to go the distance, and reach a huge number o= f > potential listeners per watt.Why not have BOTH DAB+ and C-QUAM? =C2 They > needn't compete, they could compliment each other!G > > > > --- On Fri, 8/6/10, Kevin Raper wrote: > > > > From: Kevin Raper > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo= ? > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 9:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =C2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 6, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > > > > > > > To those on this list ... what have you got against DAB+ radio > > > > > > > > I don't think anybody here is against DAB+, but it won't happen in the > US. The VHF frequencies used are still being used for Over-The-Air TV, an= d > the Military won't give up the S-Band. There is huge pressure on TV to gi= ve > up UHF for Mobile Broadband Internet. > > > > > > > > The AM Improvement plan I like is to expand the FM band down to 76 MHz > and migrate Class D and some Class B AMs to the new FM band. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately it looks like the US is stuck with the inferior HD-Radio > system. :-( > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > Kevin Raper > > > > KJ4HYD > > > > CE WCKI WQIZ > > > > > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 09 06:38:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54008 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2010 13:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2010 13:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2010 13:27:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57395 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2010 13:27:16 -0000 Message-ID: <937550.57343.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gzBYS80VM1n_f29vhAh39NR925CfquA7NiwB4ITnCHO.lWf CbfJx3SSFlmXBWy0qwZ2TwZPrv1O9zaU9_D8ikO7M5E0262LJclq_ktN44G9 RXFReDTNBytk.tMd99FKetVl55BkGLiSX05WXKpH28bloN_yWsvL4hPu6C8S 0PCDd.QeHk5jTnB677C4lXs8cX2K9v3um94mXjBd7JXHBaHhqA4IgAKDZedS 7O7cOXntel2kYwQAEubRC0fnwDJthjQEcaiGwG4UI6h15tjhgSwS6shg8lyi T3jMOnNV.1A-- X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:27:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:27:15 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 From: JNR Subject: 1220/WQUN-Hamden, Ct. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=X5smCGlrg05YcM14FS_KAOBUCYU6A7rVfRgoaX4LAIV9oEZWhDZg X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for the birthday wishes.=A0 I brought along my SRF-42 & even thou= gh I can't confirm pilot lights, I can tell you that WQUN is still in stere= o! We had a good time in Atlantic City.=A0 Didn't gamble but did enjoy the boa= rdwalk. 73 & good DX! Jay, N1WVQ, V31VQ & WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 09 12:23:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35992 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2010 19:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2010 19:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2010 19:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o79JNF7U004935 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:23:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e05.e1faab3 (55765) for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m21.mail.aol.com (magic-m21.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.194]) by cia-md05.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD056-d9d54c60559f211; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:23:11 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:23:11 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.194 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Parts 15 loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7-OjMLsgY7DMFufoMpckBUoU1V4iOrMB-fGrpRqbDEnSxkSajBbmUQYliVcetN61 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are so many variables in a Part 15 antenna, it's hard to make specific recommendations. A common practice is to overwind the coil so it has excess inductance and there "tune" the antenna with a variable capacitor in series. A single second 365 mmf generally suffices. The difficult part is finding some tuning indicator as the final in most Part 15 transmitters is not accessible. Perhaps a radio with a signal strength indicator ten or fifteen feet away might do the trick. True, compliant, Part 15 transmitters have the built-in means of tuning a 10ft. antenna. A Part 15 transmitter with a 50 ohm output is near useless. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 09 17:03:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42583 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2010 22:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2010 22:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2010 22:28:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47357 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2010 22:28:49 -0000 Message-ID: <645600.46142.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qzMc4vwVM1lmpimu95mpjq1rfRiTLYL0xiUC.rZPCWCGJ9U AIDCm2lk3HVt6R3M5pAMt8f.awo5xahwcLGEL8RkbvqNUEb0NYrOsMb_lHEL xY4IWgySIFYv4tcuiXOmPNE95Ldtk0hxFUSgb9wl2RlmdGEJMmZc1ix2ynpP z.XqMlDyT3BeP6Xp1SCIcp_ExKtadUf5Qx4Mf7EKEg5UcVqlLgTWl.a8dsp2 64MsQEwgbamuiS8mTOCFhrO3uX_TBdUeq59pR6DVHmcy_gB9rK9TRrvEPGhG CADxomEyvAyfgOungbR8Nmp5fMDgdu57hpHn1t.MXhndIrFdiqbaFlC.s6N0 dV45irfZqgTS9S4VJFTivc24y9NOHX9WuK6SSLdml X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:28:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:28:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <937550.57343.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1220/WQUN-Hamden, Ct. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=88caOOwZrFSh9JkmHniAgffMjXHB31JSL_vAszybZXFe-A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glad you didn't gamble! =C2=A0I tried that once, went to Lost Wages in a $5= 00 Rambler, and came home in a $96,000.................Greyhound bus! =C2= =A0G --- On Mon, 8/9/10, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: {AMSF} 1220/WQUN-Hamden, Ct. To: "AMSF" Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 9:27 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Thank you for the birthday wishes.=C2=A0 I brought along my SRF-42 & = even though I can't confirm pilot lights, I can tell you that WQUN is still= in stereo! We had a good time in Atlantic City.=C2=A0 Didn't gamble but did enjoy the = boardwalk. 73 & good DX! Jay, N1WVQ, V31VQ & WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Aug 09 19:13:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39398 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2010 01:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2010 01:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2010 01:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100809200910102755300010.0) with SMTP id <20100809200910102755300010> for ; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:09:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006001cb3829$76985360$6600000a@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:15:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:09:10 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why not embrace DAB+ as a replacement for AM stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=SN7iR1gMa5UGTPFNOAJqwSwuXfCMnNnQF6X3lbaMIOpcXAkFBJDN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Longwire antennas pick up more interference than loop antennas and make the radio less portable; both negatives. As for news, talk, and sports, that's even migrating to FM in the US, as the music license fees go through the roof. They wouldn't be there if they weren't money makers. If it weren't for talk radio, there might not be much of an AM band. That's not to say that someone who is really creative shouldn't try to make a go of it as a music AM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:56 AM Then we have to educate the today listeners about something absolutely basic: A GOOD AM RECEPTION NEEDS (yes or yes) A VERY GOOD RECEPTION ANTENNA!!! It is specially a real thing in the typical "concrete cities" we often live. We need an external (open air) antenna, correctly installed and connected to the tuner. That is the second step. The last step is to change the broadcasters mind. We need a good program to listen. With the typical today "talk, sport and news" format... mmm, I really think the battle and the war are lost. And trust me: it doesn't matter which analog or digital system you test, you won't win any if you forget the steps before. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Aug 09 19:33:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96950 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2010 01:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2010 01:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2010 01:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100809203141102477200010.0) with SMTP id <20100809203141102477200010> for ; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:31:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006901cb382c$9c054a60$6600000a@home1> To: X-Source-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:37:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:31:41 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: coming to the airwaves X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=oDDCNTm1C4BPr8i-Rw7oH3O0PipzZgxDXXmA5BQcJdvBvFOGHhpm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got a whole rack of equipment from a decomissioned Air-1 transmitter site. While everything in it is essentially now spares for other sites I'm responsible for, I fully intend to put the satellite receiver to good use here at home. If this one gets used replacing a defective one, I can order another spare so I'll never be without one for long. I've got an older 1.2m Ku-band dish that was abandoned after an upgrade to a 1.8m dish at another site. Now all I need is to get some cinder blocks for the base, then run a cable to the satellite receiver and align the dish. Anyhoo, I'm going to start by hooking up my Alfredo Lite to it and will be carrying God's Country. I have another transmitter I'm working on which is a slightly modified version of the 25W Cunningham transmitter. This one is going to take me awhile to finish, primarily because I'm having to home brew the output coils which need a lot of taps, though once it's finished I'll fire it up too. Then it'll be on to replacing caps in all the AM stereo gear I have racked up at the moment. The BE AMX-10 exciter which I'll eventually use to drive the Cunningham will probably take the most time getting working again. Up until then I've got some broadcast band rocks I'll use in the oscillator and just run it in mono though I'll still have the AL active. Then I'll do the CRL SPP900 and add that to the chain. Lastly I'll do the mod monitor. I'm hoping to run a coax out near the end of my driveway, then bury a wire a few inches down running parallel to the highway to transmit the signal. The AL is on 1250; likely I'll use 1460 on the Cunninham initially for mono operation. Then it'll be moved down to somewhere near the bottom of the band when stereo operation commences. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 03:34:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29317 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2010 10:34:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2010 10:34:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2010 10:34:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49132 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2010 10:34:35 -0000 Message-ID: <552781.48966.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PjxurngVM1l0rzFgxVGPYy6.CdKLWfe06feie8FLsY_RkUa Tr7uVwJTT7jZm52dQQ9Q1J1PVZImK9Bjj8sSNhZyJY6wqw3zZ1.7hmwz0yOL PWut0ca5rrsEtGmR9rBu.oSEd.3h_kamP7OtuYv77AeUPRO_Yoa1lSGEHyiq owM0YCWeNQ8SE6FBTp9NvBmagmU2NR9_tvUcary_6Qux4vflL4rXuyggG5vi gE3BNaeZSAhQag9MG18sCc2Jb899WS2ww2tDCLEOnkdPTDCaxjkrndfBSpNe Hq5Zu4R.2sCS9FrPo8bBEsvXgA8njJs.JcF4ALS_d8Qn3jvmAVNs79ZNTpd3 XsuMFRlEcdOfYbnerhg-- X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:34:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:34:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006901cb382c$9c054a60$6600000a@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} coming to the airwaves X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=YLI-DFX3MH4BEPgTEHmBRqoAeRU1Kl70uvLyc2EFu0_H3NHCJE-7 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, Congratulations!=C2=A0 I know it's something you've been working towards fo= r a long time now.=C2=A0 I hope your station gets out far & wide! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 8/9/10, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: {AMSF} coming to the airwaves To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 9:31 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Got a whole rack of equipment from a decomissioned Air-1 transmitter = site. While everything in it is essentially now spares for other sites I'm= responsible for, I fully intend to put the satellite receiver to good use = here at home. If this one gets used replacing a defective one, I can order= another spare so I'll never be without one for long. I've got an older 1.= 2m Ku-band dish that was abandoned after an upgrade to a 1.8m dish at anoth= er site. Now all I need is to get some cinder blocks for the base, then run= a cable to the satellite receiver and align the dish. Anyhoo, I'm going to start by hooking up my Alfredo Lite to it and will be = carrying God's Country. I have another transmitter I'm working on which is= a slightly modified version of the 25W Cunningham transmitter. This one i= s going to take me awhile to finish, primarily because I'm having to home b= rew the output coils which need a lot of taps, though once it's finished I'= ll fire it up too. Then it'll be on to replacing caps in all the AM stereo= gear I have racked up at the moment. The BE AMX-10 exciter which I'll eve= ntually use to drive the Cunningham will probably take the most time gettin= g working again. Up until then I've got some broadcast band rocks I'll use= in the oscillator and just run it in mono though I'll still have the AL ac= tive. Then I'll do the CRL SPP900 and add that to the chain. Lastly I'll = do the mod monitor. I'm hoping to run a coax out near the end of my drivew= ay, then bury a wire a few inches down running parallel to the highway to transmit the signal. The AL is on 1250; likely I'll use 1460 on the Cunninham initially for mono= operation. Then it'll be moved down to somewhere near the bottom of the b= and when stereo operation commences.=20 Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 06:18:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79775 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2010 13:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2010 13:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2010 13:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2010 13:18:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2010 13:18:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:18:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006901cb382c$9c054a60$6600000a@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: coming to the airwaves X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=rC82roTA44v0tjdmCXA1aGwQ8iIXxsRJTS6DbruFEwhtTia4cjPMVrA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Sounds good Scott - provide a little drive by stereo AM! From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:28:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54408 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2010 14:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2010 14:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2010 14:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o7AES5gk016734 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:28:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bbc.66f04a62 (43813) for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:28:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d27.mail.aol.com (magic-d27.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.161]) by cia-dc01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC012-ab254c6161f02f3; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:28:00 -0400 Message-ID: <47b91.b8de841.3992bbf0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:28:00 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.161 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1220/WQUN-Hamden, Ct. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=kRv5_IDnEjvawFPrPf58wSiwX5XeeHSECE4iJXJjH3vrWGgICcclZuzymqKPyCwK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I lost a crown with the salt water taffy. Don't know where it went. I was just chewing and my mouth felt peculiar. Look in the mirror and one of my back crowns was missing. Thinking I must have swallowed it, I looked for days and it never came out. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:30:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69827 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2010 14:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2010 14:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2010 14:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o7AEToqH015377 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:29:51 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dd6.e745d76 (43982) for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:29:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d27.mail.aol.com (magic-d27.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.161]) by cia-dd04.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD047-abce4c61625931e; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:29:45 -0400 Message-ID: <47dba.5380e45d.3992bc59@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:29:45 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.161 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1220/WQUN-Hamden, Ct. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hOveOeV5W29gXHUVSjEzcSmCgFQXUHJnJwyEACKrGej1BkT_ecs7MaeQ0jwETr_t X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/2010 7:03:17 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Glad you didn't gamble! I tried that once, went to Lost Wages in a $500 > Rambler, and came home in a $96,000 No need to go all the way to Atlantic City or Los Vegas to gamble. I can sell you my house in St. Louis. Of course, the odds aren't as good as you would get at the craps table. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 21:19:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67032 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2010 04:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2010 04:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2010 04:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2010 04:16:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2010 04:16:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 04:16:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.44 From: "Jota" Subject: Sony receiver with problems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2zpMB5nZnNgjN8GVfKmgDZ9r7V43ufL71MOblzJ6O2trZfdGdA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! My old, but very good, Sony AM/SW/FM receiver, STR-212AS, stops to work in = the tuner part (the amplifier part is still working in an outstanding way). I'm suspecting of one, or both, integrated chips (because I have an small r= adio signal in all the coils before the chips, enough at least to see it in= the oscilloscope). The problem is... I don't have any clue about where I can get it. Not in my= local Sony service center, at least. The characters printed on the chips are: "SONY 168 9H 001" and "SONY 178 9D= 002" ??? (I guess the first is the AM/SW part and the second is the FM par= t, but I don't have any service manual to corroborate it). If somebody has some idea where can I get it, or has one of these chips as = spare, please let me know. BTW, if somebody has the service manual (the schematics), please... This receiver is from the 1970's and it sounds great in AM, SW and FM (mayb= e, too much trebles when I use the tone control at center position, my tast= e of course). Believe it or not, it has almost 90 dbs of signal to noise ratio in the lin= e input and 56 dbs in the Phono input with my Shure M70B Cartridge (rest po= sition, no record). Very deep basses, relevant and intelligible mid range a= nd an outstanding high tones. It's cool!!! I don't know which is better, the Pioneer QX-949A or this Sony STR-212AS. B= oth are real jewels from the past. I wonder where is the progress when I se= e and hear some "new" devices. Thanks for your time!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 12 16:48:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60978 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2010 23:48:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2010 23:48:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2010 23:48:45 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100812184815102895000011.0) with SMTP id <20100812184815102895000011> for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:48:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005301cb3a79$acb9c260$6400000a@home1> To: References: <552781.48966.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Source-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:54:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:48:15 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} coming to the airwaves X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bP_Ei9cnKn2r00V6cBxgmTeTtMXKZ1jWIUxfR4yqHPocYRhrileb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I hope I don't attract so much attention the FCC notices, unless I manage to get rich enough to buy a real broadcast station. Besides, this all won't happen overnight. The dish is some distance from the house by necessity and I'll have to bury some sort of conduit to run the satellite cable since what I have isn't direct bury. And there are other numerous picayune details which all have to be overcome. But I'm working in that direction. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:34 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} coming to the airwaves Scott, Congratulations! I know it's something you've been working towards for a long time now. I hope your station gets out far & wide! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 8/9/10, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 12 17:08:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53276 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2010 00:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2010 00:08:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2010 00:08:40 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100812190810101911600011.0) with SMTP id <20100812190810101911600011> for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:08:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009601cb3a7c$754e1bc0$6400000a@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:14:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:08:10 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony receiver with problems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=glFjxD13OLs0kek1Ekm5DCbu2fICSMsdEEqfkYcv4Z_NheMOVZ5W X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't know if they have the exact one you're looking for but this has helpe= d me on a number of occasions: Your one source for Service Manuals Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} Sony receiver with problems =20=20=20=20 Hi Gang!!! My old, but very good, Sony AM/SW/FM receiver, STR-212AS, stops to work i= n the tuner part (the amplifier part is still working in an outstanding way= ). I'm suspecting of one, or both, integrated chips (because I have an small= radio signal in all the coils before the chips, enough at least to see it = in the oscilloscope). The problem is... I don't have any clue about where I can get it. Not in = my local Sony service center, at least. The characters printed on the chips are: "SONY 168 9H 001" and "SONY 178 = 9D 002" ??? (I guess the first is the AM/SW part and the second is the FM p= art, but I don't have any service manual to corroborate it). If somebody has some idea where can I get it, or has one of these chips a= s spare, please let me know. BTW, if somebody has the service manual (the schematics), please... This receiver is from the 1970's and it sounds great in AM, SW and FM (ma= ybe, too much trebles when I use the tone control at center position, my ta= ste of course). Believe it or not, it has almost 90 dbs of signal to noise ratio in the l= ine input and 56 dbs in the Phono input with my Shure M70B Cartridge (rest = position, no record). Very deep basses, relevant and intelligible mid range= and an outstanding high tones. It's cool!!! I don't know which is better, the Pioneer QX-949A or this Sony STR-212AS.= Both are real jewels from the past. I wonder where is the progress when I = see and hear some "new" devices. Thanks for your time!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 12 17:55:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14666 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2010 00:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2010 00:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2010 00:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100812195517100710500011.0) with SMTP id <20100812195517100710500011> for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:55:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00f701cb3a83$0a340820$6400000a@home1> To: References: <009601cb3a7c$754e1bc0$6400000a@home1> X-Source-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:01:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:55:17 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony receiver with problems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ggBK8gvjo3izmbZgsUCVpy8_hcCUoboTCreGdDyLzYKetmgo68h3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DOH! Forgot this thing strips off html and such- http://www.servicemanual= s.net/ Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony receiver with problems =20=20=20=20 Don't know if they have the exact one you're looking for but this has hel= ped me on a number of occasions: Your one source for Service Manuals Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} Sony receiver with problems Hi Gang!!! My old, but very good, Sony AM/SW/FM receiver, STR-212AS, stops to work i= n the tuner part (the amplifier part is still working in an outstanding way= ). I'm suspecting of one, or both, integrated chips (because I have an small= radio signal in all the coils before the chips, enough at least to see it = in the oscilloscope). The problem is... I don't have any clue about where I can get it. Not in = my local Sony service center, at least. The characters printed on the chips are: "SONY 168 9H 001" and "SONY 178 = 9D 002" ??? (I guess the first is the AM/SW part and the second is the FM p= art, but I don't have any service manual to corroborate it). If somebody has some idea where can I get it, or has one of these chips a= s spare, please let me know. BTW, if somebody has the service manual (the schematics), please... This receiver is from the 1970's and it sounds great in AM, SW and FM (ma= ybe, too much trebles when I use the tone control at center position, my ta= ste of course). Believe it or not, it has almost 90 dbs of signal to noise ratio in the l= ine input and 56 dbs in the Phono input with my Shure M70B Cartridge (rest = position, no record). Very deep basses, relevant and intelligible mid range= and an outstanding high tones. It's cool!!! I don't know which is better, the Pioneer QX-949A or this Sony STR-212AS.= Both are real jewels from the past. I wonder where is the progress when I = see and hear some "new" devices. Thanks for your time!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Fri Aug 13 07:58:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52550 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2010 14:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2010 14:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2010 14:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2010 14:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2010 14:56:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:56:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 84.123.82.115 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: Re: Sony receiver with problems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=8_59_6qWfoo5N67HRagQCfhrm2EGF__oIE8eZ7IpIOATSGWkbCrRCg X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa It's rare the chips to fail both at the same time.Check the supply voltages= ,in that vintage stuff is easy to find some transistor working as a DC stab= ilizer.Check it/them too. Don't forget selectors,switches or anything that could wear with use. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: >=20 > My old, but very good, Sony AM/SW/FM receiver, STR-212AS, stops to work i= n the tuner part (the amplifier part is still working in an outstanding way= ). From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 13:05:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22197 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2010 20:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2010 20:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2010 20:04:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35715 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2010 20:04:58 -0000 Message-ID: <615565.35610.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ufLUN4sVM1keGMDTHCGp7vPfGLnnsRC30FchX.yggYRCEW3 g2j9EU32bbacnY.JHFV13vwLUhxEw7s1dL.dsLmefg5mBKSseyk4KvHCe..S 3sWID54sPGnuaVE5B2k4lTn0RzpTX8Y8BHC5Y5nDOMgELVJjgLQwJUFw3Vk6 4giHmfUc3OS_okTHSyQL2fNeLVEeKrjqTQSO7_ItPT564ZvbT4x_KpPk5Cfy nDg0OyEr3J7CyGujp2PiJ1EtUkLxY6u2tjyrj1KCqf8pZdAsy6FX_ikbxzGZ QEcGc7Be4jgXnIZpePZ9L4MkuTCvHR9wsA2GrAgUQJQnsKxUUL6NtDOXMnJm cf8SgMBK09eHzGjazg0Y- X-Received: from [24.249.29.156] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:04:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:04:58 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 From: JNR Subject: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=z9gtWMN0_0MunMGKCK6KoUxMSgGehjeDO_k_IN_leuiSQa6IE2Gw X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He's frustrated: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/newbay/rw_20100811/#/0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 14 17:26:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53483 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2010 00:26:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2010 00:26:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2010 00:26:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2010 00:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2010 00:26:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 00:26:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <615565.35610.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=c1P9ZI87zwpNFsW3dA-Q78f0QyLkGKiVhDlUnEHok9Sww8xdhNIsAzg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Tom Ray's frustrated on HD radio in his car(s).=20=20 Tom fails to realize that there were millions upon millions of AM Stereo eq= uipped Chrysler Minivans and K-cars from 1985-1990 - and Caddys up thru 200= 0, and every retro TBIRD made had CQuam, and IF the FCC would have stuck to= the standard, and advertised CQUAM like they do HD Radio 7x a day, we'd ha= ve 400 people on our list here, I'll betcha. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 14 19:02:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5360 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2010 02:02:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2010 02:02:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2010 02:02:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85352 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2010 02:02:41 -0000 Message-ID: <240164.84611.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fPVaLQsVM1n8Hzug_pLa7HHgYNmXOj24Dl041BqEFXpp0Ji Br0g3SbnFQqlacd0pUGtpBysKOC3wHGeavRICtdWAUuVXxI9xzTbt9ampDsW Stlk4cbB.mL2BkAE9SrFFft2yhDRPbHN05JbarV8Lb3Ym1Om4JCUb7zG1Ei1 zzl0W84cVPmnz6n5I8BfSLroPsXm9kILUbL0WPyvyY1Lm8YNDTldjvdPC6X5 zImPkugH5cYubs61bAMdRaHW0pHEViq8G.jSfMqQXTge8XEMBvxttjAEh4fZ BlifR2i5JENZF.dpStjgPwQ.GCKjwDfWmuTAQAam72sTqXSZqI5oad77tYQ- - X-Received: from [72.70.17.51] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:02:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:02:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=tDV7bwKoutU8TSYHStIRt01GgJymqCh08MroPqV2wUNYoNJ7blVK X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No doubt!=C2=A0 My neighbor has an A.M. Stereo radio in his Dodge minivan &= put one in my mother's minivan recently.=C2=A0 I wish stations DID/do adve= rtise C-QUAM on air! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sat, 8/14/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 8:26 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Tom Ray's frustrated on HD radio in his car(s).=20=20 Tom fails to realize that there were millions upon millions of AM Stereo eq= uipped Chrysler Minivans and K-cars from 1985-1990 - and Caddys up thru 200= 0, and every retro TBIRD made had CQuam, and IF the FCC would have stuck to= the standard, and advertised CQUAM like they do HD Radio 7x a day, we'd ha= ve 400 people on our list here, I'll betcha. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Aug 14 19:26:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22109 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2010 02:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2010 02:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2010 02:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from RDW ([unknown] [173.78.154.34]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L7600BVZ9FKAVK0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:26:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <11BCA115DA7B4229A5EED24675055B63@RDW> To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 22:26:18 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, the Chryslers offered C-Quam radios at least until 1993, if not later, in the full-size Chryslers and Dodge Dynasty's. And man - did it sound good. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now Tom Ray's frustrated on HD radio in his car(s). Tom fails to realize that there were millions upon millions of AM Stereo equipped Chrysler Minivans and K-cars from 1985-1990 - and Caddys up thru 2000, and every retro TBIRD made had CQuam, and IF the FCC would have stuck to the standard, and advertised CQUAM like they do HD Radio 7x a day, we'd have 400 people on our list here, I'll betcha. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 14 23:10:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46068 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2010 06:10:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2010 06:10:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2010 06:10:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2010 06:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2010 06:07:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:07:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <11BCA115DA7B4229A5EED24675055B63@RDW> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.107 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=JoEi4t5KGSqzEgMkmqdaA1XwV2rmt13_QQZPmNdp3H3nTj_tqw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I can not to understand why the manufacters avoid to offer C-Quam tuners if= they would win with that. There was ICs with the AM/FM parts (C-Quam, of course) "all-in-one", so... = Why not to use it today? THERE IS NOT A TECHNICAL REASON TO AVOID THE QUALITY IN ANY ANALOG AM TUNER= . The very good "monster" tuners design from the 1960's and 1970's, absolutel= y proven as "good", could be put into one IC and I don't think it have to m= ean a quality lost. So... Which are the reason? ??? I insist: it seems to me like a direct and voluntary campaign against the g= ood quality analog AM, stereo or not. From who? That's the question. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > Actually, the Chryslers offered C-Quam radios at least until 1993, if not= later, in the full-size Chryslers and Dodge Dynasty's. And man - did it s= ound good. > Dick W. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: toledohamradio=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 8:26 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Tom Ray's frustrated on HD radio in his car(s).=20 > Tom fails to realize that there were millions upon millions of AM Stere= o equipped Chrysler Minivans and K-cars from 1985-1990 - and Caddys up thru= 2000, and every retro TBIRD made had CQuam, and IF the FCC would have stuc= k to the standard, and advertised CQUAM like they do HD Radio 7x a day, we'= d have 400 people on our list here, I'll betcha. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 15 11:44:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16246 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2010 18:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2010 18:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2010 18:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2010 18:41:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2010 18:41:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:41:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <11BCA115DA7B4229A5EED24675055B63@RDW> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} CQUAM Car Stereos; was: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Uykn0U3s0lMtBri7VYI9C3GQAInfo6_VgsWt6D7GNyfSvlLcPUQvVsk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio You are correct Dick. It was only 85-90 that EVERY Chrysler came with CQUA= M STANDARD - even the AM/FM only units! From 90-92 it was only on the bette= r cassette units, dropped for a year for retooling (and adding X-band AM), = then came back in '93 with the 2nd genration AM Stereo chip set and it soun= ded great! The Chryslers made around 1995 with the 5-band EQ are THE BEST = C-Quam radios that were 'factory radios' with C-Quam (along with the 89-95 = Delco UX-1 dual bandwidth) radios with 5-band EQ. In 1999, Chrysler went f= rom the super 5-band EQ unit to a 3-band EQ and a narrower bandwidth, and a= ren't as good-sounding and ran thru the 2001 PT Cruisers. In 2002, RDS rep= laced AM stereo in Chryslers as the 'bonus feaure'. I took out my '99 rig = radio and installed a wider bandwidth I.F. filter with decent results.=20 The only 'family' of car stereo AM Stereo I'm not that familiar with is the= Ford family of radios (Visteon?). JP --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > Actually, the Chryslers offered C-Quam radios at least until 1993, if not= later, in the full-size Chryslers and Dodge Dynasty's. And man - did it s= ound good. > Dick W. >=20 >=20 > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Aug 15 12:02:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33633 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2010 19:02:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2010 19:02:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f174.google.com) (209.85.161.174) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2010 19:02:03 -0000 X-Received: by gxk23 with SMTP id 23so1665993gxk.19 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:02:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.99.19 with SMTP id b19mr4549865ybm.445.1281898922338; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x3sm3478920ybl.22.2010.08.15.12.02.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:01:59 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM Car Stereos; was: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=D3h41eJULEFzZOFx9d7xO_kRgq05n70z4pLc_zxz3EVSqV7mwfuj4nsT9f1B4g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 15, 2010, at 2:41 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > The only 'family' of car stereo AM Stereo I'm not that familiar with is t= he Ford family of radios (Visteon?). They sound GREAT, but the DSP Visteon radios need a City Grade signal to po= p them into Stereo. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Aug 15 12:40:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23267 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2010 19:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2010 19:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173013pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.13) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2010 19:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from RDW ([unknown] [173.78.154.34]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L7700IPFKHXZBE1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:22:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <8D4F9BBCA22F4E7097462D2B5C4533FD@RDW> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:22:57 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.13 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM Car Stereos; was: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know if its true or not, but I always heard that Motorola (the marketer of C-Quam stereo) also made the Chrysler radios, and that is why so many came with AM stereo. Unfortunately, the industry didn't follow. Back then, I was prepared to buy a high end Bose tabletop radio, but backed off when I found out it didn't include AM stereo. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} CQUAM Car Stereos; was: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now You are correct Dick. It was only 85-90 that EVERY Chrysler came with CQUAM STANDARD - even the AM/FM only units! From 90-92 it was only on the better cassette units, dropped for a year for retooling (and adding X-band AM), then came back in '93 with the 2nd genration AM Stereo chip set and it sounded great! The Chryslers made around 1995 with the 5-band EQ are THE BEST C-Quam radios that were 'factory radios' with C-Quam (along with the 89-95 Delco UX-1 dual bandwidth) radios with 5-band EQ. In 1999, Chrysler went from the super 5-band EQ unit to a 3-band EQ and a narrower bandwidth, and aren't as good-sounding and ran thru the 2001 PT Cruisers. In 2002, RDS replaced AM stereo in Chryslers as the 'bonus feaure'. I took out my '99 rig radio and installed a wider bandwidth I.F. filter with decent results. The only 'family' of car stereo AM Stereo I'm not that familiar with is the Ford family of radios (Visteon?). JP --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > Actually, the Chryslers offered C-Quam radios at least until 1993, if not later, in the full-size Chryslers and Dodge Dynasty's. And man - did it sound good. > Dick W. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Aug 15 14:39:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85184 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2010 21:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2010 21:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2010 21:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100815163845102805200011.0) with SMTP id <20100815163845102805200011> for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:38:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001d01cb3cc3$18a8dc40$6400000a@home1> To: References: <11BCA115DA7B4229A5EED24675055B63@RDW> X-Source-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:44:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:38:45 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=kOvJj_jKVF8gBugBRD_MaQjPfYcSZUdwZ7Om3oxRhA4iyoACVJND X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Their premium radios tended to croak a lot easier than their standard ones. Got a couple that need repair, and one I almost certainly will get fixed to put in my Dodge Neon. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now Actually, the Chryslers offered C-Quam radios at least until 1993, if not later, in the full-size Chryslers and Dodge Dynasty's. And man - did it sound good. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Aug 15 14:49:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35538 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2010 21:49:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2010 21:49:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2010 21:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100815164906100728300011.0) with SMTP id <20100815164906100728300011> for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:49:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003501cb3cc4$8aa1b0a0$6400000a@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:55:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:49:06 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM Car Stereos; was: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=epR40Umw2ynDRCqjSmZhFWH_vSijPZcqMrT66J09fG5PLbUm9F1Z X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, I've got a 92 Chrysler radio with CQuAM. IIRC it was 93 that they dropped it on all but the premium models. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} CQUAM Car Stereos; was: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now You are correct Dick. It was only 85-90 that EVERY Chrysler came with CQUAM STANDARD - even the AM/FM only units! From 90-92 it was only on the better cassette units, dropped for a year for retooling (and adding X-band AM), then came back in '93 with the 2nd genration AM Stereo chip set and it sounded great! The Chryslers made around 1995 with the 5-band EQ are THE BEST C-Quam radios that were 'factory radios' with C-Quam (along with the 89-95 Delco UX-1 dual bandwidth) radios with 5-band EQ. In 1999, Chrysler went from the super 5-band EQ unit to a 3-band EQ and a narrower bandwidth, and aren't as good-sounding and ran thru the 2001 PT Cruisers. In 2002, RDS replaced AM stereo in Chryslers as the 'bonus feaure'. I took out my '99 rig radio and installed a wider bandwidth I.F. filter with decent results. The only 'family' of car stereo AM Stereo I'm not that familiar with is the Ford family of radios (Visteon?). JP --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > Actually, the Chryslers offered C-Quam radios at least until 1993, if not later, in the full-size Chryslers and Dodge Dynasty's. And man - did it sound good. > Dick W. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Aug 15 14:58:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74207 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2010 21:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2010 21:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2010 21:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100815165803101698200011.0) with SMTP id <20100815165803101698200011> for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:58:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004101cb3cc5$cae01ca0$6400000a@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:04:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:58:03 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Z6IuDSjQm_Q_P7qTvSw7J6HqWhhXHYodDLLM7GUM1vj1F2qc_yhW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit None of the reasons you suggested. By the time the FCC settled on a standard there were already rumblings of the development of a digital system. I figure they thought it would materialize sooner than it did, but not wanting to invest in an obsolete technology they just dropped CQUAM. Now that digital has proved to be a bust on MW it could make a comeback IF any one or more of us get rich enough to start buying up AM signals and promote it. Side note to Jeff at Meduci.com: please seriously consider developing an AM stereo converter similar to the Metrosound. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:10 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now I can not to understand why the manufacters avoid to offer C-Quam tuners if they would win with that. There was ICs with the AM/FM parts (C-Quam, of course) "all-in-one", so... Why not to use it today? THERE IS NOT A TECHNICAL REASON TO AVOID THE QUALITY IN ANY ANALOG AM TUNER. The very good "monster" tuners design from the 1960's and 1970's, absolutely proven as "good", could be put into one IC and I don't think it have to mean a quality lost. So... Which are the reason? ??? I insist: it seems to me like a direct and voluntary campaign against the good quality analog AM, stereo or not. From who? That's the question. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Aug 15 18:46:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17022 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2010 01:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2010 01:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f52.google.com) (74.125.83.52) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2010 01:46:33 -0000 X-Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20so1952590gwj.39 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.248.12 with SMTP id v12mr4964715anh.247.1281923192829; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d1sm9293463anc.19.2010.08.15.18.46.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <8D4F9BBCA22F4E7097462D2B5C4533FD@RDW> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 21:46:14 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8D4F9BBCA22F4E7097462D2B5C4533FD@RDW> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.52 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM Car Stereos; was: Tom Ray on HD Radio...now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=xum1NABipo4CTWutJ4A8UkUiMaAuGRvt4mOzqGtjzudQxYkxNi5WZPtg2-1TGw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 15, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Dick W. wrote: > Don't know if its true or not, but I always heard that Motorola (the mark= eter of C-Quam stereo) also made the Chrysler radios, and that is why so ma= ny came with AM stereo. Yes, Motorola made the Stereos using Alpine tape decks, and they GAVE the c= hips to GM and Ford. In my opinion, the best C-QUAM unit was the Delco UX-1. The best multi-syst= em unit was the Kenwood KRC-959. Sherwood also made some great AM Stereo tuners that were sold under the Pio= neer and Sparkomatic names, as well as were OEM in Yugo GVs. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Aug 15 19:07:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19075 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2010 02:07:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2010 02:07:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2010 02:07:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2010 02:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2010 02:06:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 02:06:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.18.96.224 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=3onSWnHCIhJh6pEXVAd-9w3zIykIomSxPVImxEGP6VjW X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual $600.00 plus shipping i have pic's posted along with some other interesting stuff for sale here..= . http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=3D371&subAreaID=3D&query=3D= t-town%2C+a\l+35405&catAbb=3Dsss From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 16 02:07:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60574 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2010 09:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2010 09:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2010 09:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2010 09:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2010 09:03:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:03:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.158.11 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Q61gDvLVvKUmj1Cp6pGdg_Mf2sFnHtIxYchnVhUBHTQYmy-XYZd5GVhFTO7j8GIkz4FJTlZe X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual >=20 > $600.00 plus shipping >=20 > i have pic's posted along with some other interesting stuff for sale here= ... >=20 > http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=3D371&subAreaID=3D&query= =3Dt-town%2C+a\l+35405&catAbb=3Dsss > Hi Gang I need a MOD monator for a Deta ASE 1 for cheap. I think thats the= only way KAHI AM 950 is going on the air with it. Thay keep saying that th= ay can't aford it yet they keep spending money on other stuff. Jim Smith Lo= omis Ca From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Aug 16 08:03:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37455 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2010 15:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2010 15:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s20.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2010 15:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP47 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s20.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:00:54 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from production ([76.18.96.224]) by BLU0-SMTP47.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:00:54 -0700 To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:00:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "FreeCycle" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100816-0, 08/16/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2010 15:00:54.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[D339EDC0:01CB3D53] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "FreeCycle" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=8tO6ZC3JyHdaiT-2gh2wNYGJaaqoM35HQBMLFfikmSo2 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd an old motorola monitor is the same thing and can be had cheaper then a delta. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:03 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: >> >> I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual >> >> $600.00 plus shipping >> >> i have pic's posted along with some other interesting stuff for sale >> here... >> >> http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=371&subAreaID=&query=t-town%2C+a\l+35405&catAbb=sss >> > Hi Gang I need a MOD monator for a Deta ASE 1 for cheap. I think thats > the only way KAHI AM 950 is going on the air with it. Thay keep saying > that thay can't aford it yet they keep spending money on other stuff. Jim > Smith Loomis Ca > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 16 11:26:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63056 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2010 18:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2010 18:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2010 18:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2010 18:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2010 18:23:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:23:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.44.203.29 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=VNtZ7Cztm6Q-DmEywBzsLZkumndI1uSZHP-GebxRGnSUE6B9Zr8lRC88Kz0q0T7NsAW9XYIJ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Thanks for the advice. Thats very helpfull.I hope to pay $200 to = $300 in payments. Or even less would be good. Thank you "kc8gpd" Jim Smith= Loomis Ca --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "FreeCycle" wrote: > > an old motorola monitor is the same thing and can be had cheaper then a=20 > delta. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jim smith" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:03 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available >=20 >=20 > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > >> > >> I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual > >> > >> $600.00 plus shipping > >> > >> i have pic's posted along with some other interesting stuff for sale=20 > >> here... > >> > >> http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=3D371&subAreaID=3D&que= ry=3Dt-town%2C+a\l+35405&catAbb=3Dsss > >> > > Hi Gang I need a MOD monator for a Deta ASE 1 for cheap. I think thats= =20 > > the only way KAHI AM 950 is going on the air with it. Thay keep saying= =20 > > that thay can't aford it yet they keep spending money on other stuff. J= im=20 > > Smith Loomis Ca > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 16 19:34:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40715 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2010 02:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2010 02:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.187) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2010 02:34:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68046 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2010 02:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.25.46.198 with login) by smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2010 19:34:37 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: 1sk8bQ8VM1kYsDEbHTbsJRd532nTUM86h7nfBgWqke9iV0y _P14mxBZxz0HpPuc_vXDxFRiHEZ17w.A.odh8BCBeD2jxVH61vKseqVd84.J Ulg6Y7GIy7ZNea0SQdWu9O9rQOD0kHGqx516XwivetMNs6Fk6Vxyjes6AMbK X59bB8GA1thmUEdoKCJIxhvJkMHNMG46StuCrTsmOiKQ8flQLVmO2Y8eek28 fzhN2UEqPk2wAXTE5jtX09850zecJEXFDPIAYB2STHtssPTZg X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <84A1183721714342AF07CAE260AB87C3@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:34:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: A.L not working right X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=pmc_yqwRAYCIFdXnoYBUQGUOhj4YQZJQtp1IZy_UBm_6iULZw804rqK-JmRcphn1tYy1Wed4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I just found out that my A.L is I think not working right. I unpluged one of the cables and there is still sound in the unpluged side. So I think its not working right. And I don't even know how to get in tuch with Chris Cuff. I would want to get it fixed and all the other updates and want to move the freq also. Jim Smith Loomis Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Aug 17 05:07:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35509 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2010 11:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2010 11:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2010 11:39:56 -0000 X-Received: from RDW ([unknown] [173.78.154.34]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L7A00JITOE7ILF0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 06:39:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <6027B97AD574493D8E65A96AA02B259C@RDW> To: References: <84A1183721714342AF07CAE260AB87C3@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:39:44 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} A.L not working right X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know Chris Cuff's email address, but if you are a member of eBay, you can contact him through the following page on eBay. Dick W. http://myworld.ebay.com/ccuff ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:34 AM Subject: {AMSF} A.L not working right Hi Gang I just found out that my A.L is I think not working right. I unpluged one of the cables and there is still sound in the unpluged side. So I think its not working right. And I don't even know how to get in tuch with Chris Cuff. I would want to get it fixed and all the other updates and want to move the freq also. Jim Smith Loomis Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 17 14:33:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75120 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2010 21:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2010 21:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2010 21:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2010 21:31:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2010 21:31:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:31:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <84A1183721714342AF07CAE260AB87C3@jim3slp85ju21o> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.52.81 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: A.L not working right X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=tS8klWmVrFXVOOypdGqc_mH3qAVwA-1ZEHapOKK8_gt1xjn-LXF2X2Sm2_fhMby2nli9WgRt X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Rich I don't have a clue how that works on e bay. Could some one tell = me if thats a normal fuction for the A.L. Would that be the mono side of th= e TX? Thanks Jim Smith Loomis Ca --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I just found out that my A.L is I think not working right. I= unpluged one of the cables and there is still sound in the unpluged side. = So I think its not working right. And I don't even know how to get in tuch = with Chris Cuff. I would want to get it fixed and all the other updates an= d want to move the freq also. Jim Smith Loomis Ca >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Aug 17 22:41:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98977 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2010 05:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2010 05:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2010 05:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2010 05:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2010 05:41:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:40:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.18.96.224 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=PAjBa84YXqlV7E1iCpyB4SqZy-XeRhX40i2RQoLupTZE X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Ok, I am guessing these are no longer worth what they were a year ago. i am tak= ing best offers plus shipping. the person with the best offer gets it. i accept paypal. again it comes with exciter and manual with schematics. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang Thanks for the advice. Thats very helpfull.I hope to pay $200 to= $300 in payments. Or even less would be good. Thank you "kc8gpd" Jim Smi= th Loomis Ca >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "FreeCycle" wrote: > > > > an old motorola monitor is the same thing and can be had cheaper then a= =20 > > delta. > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "jim smith" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:03 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available > >=20 > >=20 > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > >> > > >> I have a Delta ASE 2 Exciter in Excellent condition with manual > > >> > > >> $600.00 plus shipping > > >> > > >> i have pic's posted along with some other interesting stuff for sale= =20 > > >> here... > > >> > > >> http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=3D371&subAreaID=3D&q= uery=3Dt-town%2C+a\l+35405&catAbb=3Dsss > > >> > > > Hi Gang I need a MOD monator for a Deta ASE 1 for cheap. I think tha= ts=20 > > > the only way KAHI AM 950 is going on the air with it. Thay keep sayin= g=20 > > > that thay can't aford it yet they keep spending money on other stuff.= Jim=20 > > > Smith Loomis Ca > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 18 12:47:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4671 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2010 19:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2010 19:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2010 19:47:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45078 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2010 19:47:18 -0000 Message-ID: <201219.29360.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: opHuxHgVM1n1Tq0Q5bgt3wv4EfJCmVr8JzkfHZ8UX29b8rt qDU_GjfmkDWpkmZBddWaDa18cXQA.ueMElNiKEvleuI1x8RUHNOjlMkFPoMK DS.Rq6EViwtcEj0irOKGyjE5w30PeQaChkiuITk5csMGF4zgqikM2NhTbQMD sXLJTC5UWfTr_EThp4PX..bwSQue9T3_OGN_e_bIjnJZEeqjgHTUhokg0cEl P16496U5J9JySg40VBYrs2sVyD1td2Fuh3jsfrMeg8OjDMG.gLk36GIRjFM4 jtbsRULdd01YylGRmRoaAquh_dCDFpkRJj62w.WN.ermMozdzVx4nEQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:47:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:47:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 From: John Subject: Delta ASE FS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=-z4v5HLIFcQyUrkRQsdRAf_K9nv_LhanmQFqH4miu857mepQO2Tqeuc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio wrote: "...Ok, I am guessing these are no longer worth what they were a year ago... I am finding that true across the board - our economy is in the total crapper the past 2-1/2 years - I sell almost all my old radio hardware at a loss on eBay just because I need the cash (with reduced pay @ work), when I used to be able to break even or even make a few bucks on the sale before the stock market crash and then unemployment went rampant, hence the consumer confidence rate is so low, people don't/can't buy the little luxuries that brought us pleasure not so long ago. Now those of us with jobs, even at busy companies, have the owners taking advantage of their employees as they can threaten them with replacement at anytime, so demanding 'working for free', less hours, worse benefits and no retirement contributions are the norm for the 'top dogs' and us "working scum". From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 20 13:05:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52101 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2010 20:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2010 20:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2010 20:05:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73522 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2010 20:05:01 -0000 Message-ID: <620063.72716.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: THYMsP8VM1kJM5r6LRjsDCblcksoxw68uHzZ1QC3P3C65_n NIhFA.7OWghYVDP9DQDAVEQyJPmHYkbSPExqCqutaXVv33wuJgzmptjmDSo. MwZpGYGV5K7WpV5eML2EMn3BRWxiIJHcFzREWGQvb7z.S0EAzQ.UpgLltxFH EQZvloijKPcDHQDojWKaVtT74yliIIoSLL4os1NfEYAW9vsnFzX6feJ6yjh2 z_oMreh492TRvLS4nZLK5d2q.RQGvSB7cZ6qfnD5gc3zPxDaDwzJxo7mDLhA i8gr0wi.go01FD1okrJ1oNuhg6ZoYh9mx6m2R1_s- X-Received: from [24.249.29.156] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:05:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:05:01 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF , amstereo@yahoogroups.com, amstereoonly@yahoogroups.com Cc: ABDX MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 From: JNR Subject: This is A.M. Stereo go time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=KY6EUrG6q_1H6n5g_pJnJD-sCYOoCQ98uFyXc5Q3M2oIA0BGaNs9 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was discussing A.M. Stereo with the owner of a station I do work for in N= ew England.=A0 He used to own an A.M. Stereo station & said he is getting a= new Nautel XMTR. in the next year.=A0 I asked if it could be made stereo.= =A0 He also said he put a new processor in: the Vorsis VP-8.=A0 He asked if= there were still A.M. Stereo radios being made.=A0 Here's what I need from= all of you: 1. A list of radios currently made that will receive A.M. Stereo, including= car radios. 2. Data on the VP-8 audio processor. 3. Anything else I cannot think of. This is the time to band together.=A0 I am posting this across 3 message bo= ards.=A0 Use your strengths for this as I want to give him the best possibl= e showing of data collected out there.=A0 In case you are wondering: the ba= ndwidth on the station is good.=A0 It's a fulltime Class B station. Thanks in advance & 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 20 18:17:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44520 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2010 01:17:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2010 01:17:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2010 01:17:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 01:13:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 01:13:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:13:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <620063.72716.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.38.62.104 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: This is A.M. Stereo go time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=fgqKOVKsFKzKyuzo5Yr6zGUJOIpqdVgt-4e8nsNbz9dQ8j411AnDipGnqWZ9UBThDPA_5qzS X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Thats what this forum was made for.!!!!!!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I was discussing A.M. Stereo with the owner of a station I do work for in= New England.=A0 He used to own an A.M. Stereo station & said he is getting= a new Nautel XMTR. in the next year.=A0 I asked if it could be made stereo= .=A0 He also said he put a new processor in: the Vorsis VP-8.=A0 He asked i= f there were still A.M. Stereo radios being made.=A0 Here's what I need fro= m all of you: >=20 > 1. A list of radios currently made that will receive A.M. Stereo, includi= ng car radios. > 2. Data on the VP-8 audio processor. > 3. Anything else I cannot think of. >=20 > This is the time to band together.=A0 I am posting this across 3 message = boards.=A0 Use your strengths for this as I want to give him the best possi= ble showing of data collected out there.=A0 In case you are wondering: the = bandwidth on the station is good.=A0 It's a fulltime Class B station. >=20 > Thanks in advance & 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 20 18:19:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97366 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2010 01:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2010 01:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2010 01:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 01:19:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 01:19:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:19:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <620063.72716.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.38.62.104 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: This is A.M. Stereo go time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=mFsUpq7tst2zIOkLG0Om3qNuu3WDWO01NR2HQvifKbGv0HUmA5Mt2FX3cFl-ykm7igOHzX0z X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Now thats what this forum was made for!!!!!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I was discussing A.M. Stereo with the owner of a station I do work for in= New England.=A0 He used to own an A.M. Stereo station & said he is getting= a new Nautel XMTR. in the next year.=A0 I asked if it could be made stereo= .=A0 He also said he put a new processor in: the Vorsis VP-8.=A0 He asked i= f there were still A.M. Stereo radios being made.=A0 Here's what I need fro= m all of you: >=20 > 1. A list of radios currently made that will receive A.M. Stereo, includi= ng car radios. > 2. Data on the VP-8 audio processor. > 3. Anything else I cannot think of. >=20 > This is the time to band together.=A0 I am posting this across 3 message = boards.=A0 Use your strengths for this as I want to give him the best possi= ble showing of data collected out there.=A0 In case you are wondering: the = bandwidth on the station is good.=A0 It's a fulltime Class B station. >=20 > Thanks in advance & 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 21 01:04:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89943 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2010 08:03:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2010 08:03:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.184) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2010 08:03:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80513 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2010 08:03:55 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.38.62.104 with login) by smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2010 01:03:54 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: KdZDOIwVM1la.hmet4UB0Z095zENejLVApM891w9i5D68t6 EmFdCb7xCFK9G_0g1MhQIYBzGOjkcIUq0SH7edSuJOWuOf_NB3xMW1jhzibK .QMYYmu7rzOCJegaiaO3Aep.xZ254sO2rs09bp.h_3PmaAiztliIG7emT1zz Wzdpg_wwIaKoT8KApdqgThtq0RH3ePDmzSp4EQvOqzGf.xT00SGiPHi3z_xM zDv17P7quMJBzoLdYnu323djM6rs- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:00:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Alfedo Lite question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=z39VgkveJ-fa2oMcqZi7hZTc4GNmZEfVoeXQcFq0WlBqmBZgI6sN1H2t2q-_v2fh7LlVU32C X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I wantad to know if you bypassad the little light pulb on the Alfredo Lite would it would put out a little bit more power? I kind of know that the light bulb is a choke i think so any way. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 21 01:28:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62767 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2010 08:28:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2010 08:28:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2010 08:28:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 08:27:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 08:27:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:27:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <620063.72716.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.42 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: This is A.M. Stereo go time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bvLh-b6EWGBjRsO1anLeEWcOYppcegXzTCqu_0NF-0WSrWP4bQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Some samples: ASPiSYS MEDUCI FANFARE FTA-100 WINRADIO Just look for it in Google. BTW, MEDUCI and ASPiSYS offer convertion cards which can be used inside alm= ost any tuner. Just in case. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I was discussing A.M. Stereo with the owner of a station I do work for in= New England.=A0 He used to own an A.M. Stereo station & said he is getting= a new Nautel XMTR. in the next year.=A0 I asked if it could be made stereo= .=A0 He also said he put a new processor in: the Vorsis VP-8.=A0 He asked i= f there were still A.M. Stereo radios being made.=A0 Here's what I need fro= m all of you: >=20 > 1. A list of radios currently made that will receive A.M. Stereo, includi= ng car radios. > 2. Data on the VP-8 audio processor. > 3. Anything else I cannot think of. >=20 > This is the time to band together.=A0 I am posting this across 3 message = boards.=A0 Use your strengths for this as I want to give him the best possi= ble showing of data collected out there.=A0 In case you are wondering: the = bandwidth on the station is good.=A0 It's a fulltime Class B station. >=20 > Thanks in advance & 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 21 01:40:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71388 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2010 08:40:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2010 08:40:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2010 08:40:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 08:40:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 08:40:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:40:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.42 From: "Jota" Subject: Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GtJEZ6G_k9KP5uxSTWe8W57Vgc_d9dNkEw03uJSEKrSff8nrAg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I used some free time I had to clean and use my old, very old, Heathkit AJ-= 30 tuner. You won't believe it!!! IT STILL WORKS!!! It works absolutely fin= e, very good audio in AM. And this device has been "out of use" from 1970 I= guess. You can not to believe the amount of dust. All the controls squeak,= including the dials (it has separate dials to AM and FM), I had to get a f= use and its container and a new electric plug and cable... BUT IT WORKS!!! = And you know it is a full vacuum tubes device!!! I wonder... this device is 50 years old (at least) and still works. The tod= ay "digital" devices... Will be working in the next 50 years? ??? I promise I will upload an audio file with the sound of this outstanding ra= dio (next week, because this weekend I will go to the snow, we are still in= winter here). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Aug 21 01:53:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57428 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2010 08:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2010 08:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2010 08:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 08:52:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 08:52:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:52:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.18.96.224 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Cleaning out 15 years worth of collecting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=v5ka8xJwrt7pcUl2pY2QaRyLnOQvHZ55EUOImsjRBSbx X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd radio, computer, audio, and collectible stuff. I have moved from an 800 sq/ft apt to 1000 sq/ft house now to a 500 sq/ft a= pt. i have 15 years worth of collecting that i must unload cheap. I need the room and the money. my virtual yardsale is located here.... http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=3D371&subAreaID=3D&query=3D= t-town%2C+al+35405&catAbb=3Dsss i am willing to ship for forum members and paypal or usps money order is ac= ceptable forms of payment. the list is being updated weekly willing to ship international on some items From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 21 14:58:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56182 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2010 21:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2010 21:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2010 21:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 21:58:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 21:58:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:58:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Alfedo Lite question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=XXHXKPJs8Ph33xg_VM5nLmmQ6DLre977Sck8nvOihTkzZzgPF80velA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jim, do NOT bypass the light bulb - it will save your transmitter from dama= ge if your antenna gets accidently grounded the light bulb will take the he= at and save the transmitter from damage. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I wantad to know if you bypassad the little light pulb on the = Alfredo Lite would it would put out a little bit more power? I kind of know= that the light bulb is a choke i think so any way. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 21 15:31:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73475 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2010 22:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2010 22:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2010 22:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 22:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 22:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2010 22:30:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:30:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <620063.72716.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: This is A.M. Stereo go time -YES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=gSO63lgh9W39o9vAl7H9Yp4-02mJzdV30-SQtPd0xoz43lSTiNntX-U X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jay, He can go to Amazon Dot Com and buy a Sangean HDT-1X for under $200 (make s= ure it has the "X" suffix, which has CQUAM). Here's a link to a review for it: http://www.rwonline.com/article/9204 Also, the Fanfare FTA-100P is CQUAM studio monitor, high quality. Contact Marv there and tell him I sent ya, and maybe he'll let you hear the= sample AM stereo recordings made with that tuner! The Meduci AM tuners and converter hardware from Michigan. The ASPiSYS converters and low power transmitters from Greece, There's even somebody in the Far East that is making a CQuam tuner, but I h= aven't been able to get one to test it out on CFCO as I have issues with hi= s English and payment for the unit to get it here. Plenty of (CQUAM) JCPenney/Panasonic MCS 3050 home tuners from eBay are sti= ll available. Add in the Delco UX-1, and the 5band EQ Chrysler CQUAM car tuners, there's = plenty still out there. SOME, not all, some of the HD radio tuners accidently tune-in CQUAM, but at= a lower bandwidth than the Sony portables did. I know a station in Central Ohio that leaves the CQuam on even when they ha= ve mono programs because the engineer recognized that the stereo pilot 'ope= ned-up' the audio bandwidth on his car radio and made even mono programming= sound better. So, there's no reason NOT to have CQuam. Let us know what we can do to help. Heck, most of us would send him a tuner= just to try it out! I will. Let me know. 73's John P. =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I was discussing A.M. Stereo with the owner of a station I do work for in= New England.=A0 ...> Thanks in advance & 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 21 20:29:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45656 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2010 03:29:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2010 03:29:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2010 03:29:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2010 03:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2010 03:29:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 03:29:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.25.46.225 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Alfedo Lite question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=6SQjncYIt8rnrDrpTtjilIliN05refyAQERd656YTOeElCzgYsPxZD1y9tXJxy94ACD19kg6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Thank you John. I am not scaired of asking questions. So what you = are saying is , the lihgt is a fuse. Where I use to live about 8 or 9 month= s before I moved out my land lord was haveing dump trucks of dert brot in = and one of them left his bed up and hit the power line to the house and bur= ned up a lot of stuff but every thing that had a fuse was ok. No brakers wa= s triped. Jim Smith Loomis Ca --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Jim, do NOT bypass the light bulb - it will save your transmitter from da= mage if your antenna gets accidently grounded the light bulb will take the = heat and save the transmitter from damage. > John >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I wantad to know if you bypassad the little light pulb on th= e Alfredo Lite would it would put out a little bit more power? I kind of kn= ow that the light bulb is a choke i think so any way. Jim Smith > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 21 21:01:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91148 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2010 04:01:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2010 04:01:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2010 04:01:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2010 04:01:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2010 04:01:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 04:01:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.25.46.225 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: This is A.M. Stereo go time -YES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=o1Ugbv8ehHtgX1USq5pOzvXl7pPf1cdQK60MMHj-FfxiZBcWYn7eV23MQRW36ldyje13fMZx X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang If you go to the radios page on this site you will see a bunch of r= adios. The Sony SRF A300 portable radio and two Sony walk mans are for sa= le on Audio Cubes. Jeff Deck at Meduci also sells AM STEREO decoders to up = grade AM mono radios he will all so install them for you.The Radiosohy HD10= 0 is for sell on some site all so for about $99. If all els fales........ G= oogle C-QuAM or AM STEREO. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Jay, > He can go to Amazon Dot Com and buy a Sangean HDT-1X for under $200 (make= sure it has the "X" suffix, which has CQUAM). > Here's a link to a review for it: > http://www.rwonline.com/article/9204 >=20 > Also, the Fanfare FTA-100P is CQUAM studio monitor, high quality. > Contact Marv there and tell him I sent ya, and maybe he'll let you hear t= he sample AM stereo recordings made with that tuner! >=20 > The Meduci AM tuners and converter hardware from Michigan. > The ASPiSYS converters and low power transmitters from Greece, > There's even somebody in the Far East that is making a CQuam tuner, but I= haven't been able to get one to test it out on CFCO as I have issues with = his English and payment for the unit to get it here. >=20 > Plenty of (CQUAM) JCPenney/Panasonic MCS 3050 home tuners from eBay are s= till available. >=20 > Add in the Delco UX-1, and the 5band EQ Chrysler CQUAM car tuners, there'= s plenty still out there. >=20 > SOME, not all, some of the HD radio tuners accidently tune-in CQUAM, but = at a lower bandwidth than the Sony portables did. >=20 > I know a station in Central Ohio that leaves the CQuam on even when they = have mono programs because the engineer recognized that the stereo pilot 'o= pened-up' the audio bandwidth on his car radio and made even mono programmi= ng sound better. So, there's no reason NOT to have CQuam. >=20 > Let us know what we can do to help. Heck, most of us would send him a tun= er just to try it out! I will. Let me know. > 73's > John P. >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > > > I was discussing A.M. Stereo with the owner of a station I do work for = in New England.=A0 ...> Thanks in advance & 73, > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Aug 21 21:50:09 2010 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28396 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2010 04:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2010 04:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2010 04:50:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1282452598; bh=shvtp9renxqlFQv+FEYVx/ub1cNoAc1WcV79ZTmyiJY=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hUXKDyc0cpqrC3lK1MGsvLnRLd4RFluZcok5y1YKBDhSHDLwDk586m/9Z6tbbEyZ4mHY9/iSu22Jg2gR5Fr8sZY+ysjyjhHmYE9qi7r7pbVG7aaEHlGkXDvvitGnbK3t Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2010 04:49:58 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2010 04:49:58 -0000 Date: 22 Aug 2010 04:49:58 -0000 Message-ID: <1282452598.123692.87201.w8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /id+thats life.mp3 Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : CFCO-AM Stereo FTA-100 Sinatra Sample You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/id%2Bthats%20life.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, toledohamradio From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Aug 21 21:51:52 2010 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97797 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2010 04:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2010 04:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2010 04:51:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1282452708; bh=fzCOc+dswm7FZHhHImfbZm9dxCMdzSSpeWEMb7tLEMw=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jPHdJW8F58D4DK4OPoI7hrd+fTB4Y5zSP9eY53OdXnEtntLiRgiR0PzxcpIcndEzhd5hNxSDil5816g57gwKe+rRjt9dH0h8HUgcmd8ulWoctCW+cBoHA1MQjrsNUgIZ Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2010 04:51:48 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2010 04:51:48 -0000 Date: 22 Aug 2010 04:51:47 -0000 Message-ID: <1282452707.27155.36245.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /CFCO-smpl_02-shrt.mp3 Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Fanfare FTA-100 Tuner Sample from CFCO You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CFCO-smpl_02-shrt.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, toledohamradio From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 22 08:34:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1046 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2010 15:34:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2010 15:34:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.83) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2010 15:34:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13266 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2010 15:34:12 -0000 Message-ID: <824222.11789.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: X9WiWSkVM1n6VE8pnyeNn445MUVzzHAGbuOWVb13pdO0UWC .nY7bJLcLHwy637n2nIhZEuq1beWqp3uwVCie862K2jcCHBrcuUAaT6ePXH8 DcHklkFW7FF6tuUtaz3.0jEn03ZkB9KC4.SRHD.GcIo6TKqHdQhJPF.fuKKM hrv77pJctbp8tD0HpbvuWRxywx98IRf98VD7QU8d6gpWYZKDtNaWFTWeUDp1 duhhuV0f1FllhjpKr0heJMpXc0HMnDQOpnLhe7k4rD4djjKuXXgX1qnTIWRG nGhHwnGM4GDj.N7.EeUVN85BHWJD_816T6AAmF4RZESQrhrM2B7c- X-Received: from [209.213.19.69] by web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:34:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:34:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfedo Lite question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6-su6EiroMuqjENX5Pn7TumcbaUFiGbg_mpdGjf75-o X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yes you will get more power, however what John said is correct. AND if you still want to do it, you had better have a correct load, lest you let smoke out of your final transistor !! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: toledohamradio Jim, do NOT bypass the light bulb - it will save your transmitter from damage if your antenna gets accidently grounded the light bulb will take the heat and save the transmitter from damage. John - From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 22 08:54:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79510 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2010 15:53:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2010 15:53:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2010 15:53:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2010 15:53:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2010 15:53:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:53:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1282452598.123692.87201.w8@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=C6TY73ZhTRVRh5wjRxRhn2Ct8DLQJU52VQZYEDaCn8JbzSs-BtWWU8w X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio For some reason, Windows Media Player won't let you play this directly from= the link; I guess you'll have to save it to your desktop, then play it fro= m there? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /id+thats life.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : toledohamradio =20 > Description : CFCO-AM Stereo FTA-100 Sinatra Sample=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/id%2Bthats%20life.mp3=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.ht= mlfiles >=20 > Regards, >=20 > toledohamradio > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Aug 22 16:12:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9230 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2010 23:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2010 23:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2010 23:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.39] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100822181226102006700010.0) with SMTP id <20100822181226102006700010> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:12:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01d801cb4250$635c4780$6400000a@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:18:49 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:12:26 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This is A.M. Stereo go time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4_3pEJ486lcPqS4e6g5ArwezxcHPRTcBsEQ9qiIY2WCWej137ESx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most premium car radios through 2000 or 2001 and the Ford CD-6 may still have it. The government's now defunct cash for clunkers scheme unfortunately killed a lot of what might still have been serviceable cars from the 90s which would still have had AMS and did very little to get actual clunkers off the road. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 3:28 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: This is A.M. Stereo go time Some samples: ASPiSYS MEDUCI FANFARE FTA-100 WINRADIO Just look for it in Google. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Aug 22 16:25:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68199 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2010 23:25:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2010 23:25:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2010 23:25:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o7MNPe6w015172 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:25:40 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.f1a.44dee03 (45470) for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:25:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d27.mail.aol.com (magic-d27.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.161]) by cia-mc06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC063-b19e4c71b1f019; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:25:36 -0400 Message-ID: <49d1e.50413ba0.39a30bf0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:25:36 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: AM Stereo in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1CsMIevKMJpIQzV-bxXi1ii6BZGdZMFqw9EaHE6A0GLVS8NGoUR4k2th3u9o0pjM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just listening the AM Stereo broadcasts in Japan on YouTube. That sounds fabulous. They don't seem to use as much compression as U.S. stations do which is most likely a leftover from days past. I suppose with 100kW of AM power, you don't need alot of compression. Geez, they even have live DJs that walk up record intros and everything. I have just one question. Does only the U.S. have the technology of accurate carrier frequency control? Stations in the UK, France, Japan, and Australia can't seem to get their carrier closer than a few kilohertz off. :) Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Aug 22 16:48:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18089 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2010 23:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2010 23:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.116.20) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2010 23:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP189 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:48:55 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from production ([76.18.96.224]) by BLU0-SMTP189.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:48:52 -0700 To: References: <49d1e.50413ba0.39a30bf0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:48:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "FreeCycle" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100822-1, 08/22/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2010 23:48:52.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[936866D0:01CB4254] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.116.20 From: "FreeCycle" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=G-nJUZXznnr9EXgov2JtrUPHAoLjuvu-k_5jlDzFxHCk X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd no we don't. see 10 steps to fix am here... http://www.rwonline.com/article/88604 it suggests fixes for am broadcasting. the best sounding am i have heard is wsm in tennessee. it uses open wire transmission line and a blaw knox tower. had wsm been running am stereo then it would have sounded just like fm. i had it out to 90 miles with full quieting and good fidelity. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan >I was just listening the AM Stereo broadcasts in Japan on YouTube. That > sounds fabulous. They don't seem to use as much compression as U.S. > stations > do which is most likely a leftover from days past. I suppose with 100kW > of > AM power, you don't need alot of compression. Geez, they even have live > DJs > that walk up record intros and everything. > > I have just one question. Does only the U.S. have the technology of > accurate carrier frequency control? Stations in the UK, France, Japan, > and > Australia can't seem to get their carrier closer than a few kilohertz off. > :) > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Aug 22 16:56:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66650 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2010 23:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2010 23:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.163) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2010 23:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from BLU152-DS21 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:53:47 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:53:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2010 23:53:47.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[43533110:01CB4255] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=eKd7YEVrcFjV2mHvoz0KGSYYDVfQvAhl65mNmq8lV9qTplB2MIT2wPBWUuA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ..... and of course, WSM 650 was in AM stereo at one time; not sure when that ended; I know someone on the board will know; I pretty sure it has ended in 2002 or 2003, when they were threatening to have a format change. They did sound outstanding in AM stereo, in spite some minor Cuban interference and occasional fading from my location. Donn st. petersburg -----Original Message----- From: FreeCycle Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 7:48 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan no we don't. see 10 steps to fix am here... http://www.rwonline.com/article/88604 it suggests fixes for am broadcasting. the best sounding am i have heard is wsm in tennessee. it uses open wire transmission line and a blaw knox tower. had wsm been running am stereo then it would have sounded just like fm. i had it out to 90 miles with full quieting and good fidelity. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan >I was just listening the AM Stereo broadcasts in Japan on YouTube. That > sounds fabulous. They don't seem to use as much compression as U.S. > stations > do which is most likely a leftover from days past. I suppose with 100kW > of > AM power, you don't need alot of compression. Geez, they even have live > DJs > that walk up record intros and everything. > > I have just one question. Does only the U.S. have the technology of > accurate carrier frequency control? Stations in the UK, France, Japan, > and > Australia can't seem to get their carrier closer than a few kilohertz off. > :) > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Aug 22 19:11:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28354 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 02:10:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2010 02:10:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 02:10:58 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o7N2AoXH013950 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:10:50 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.f13.28afaaa (43985) for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:10:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m23.mail.aol.com (magic-m23.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.196]) by cia-dd05.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD052-abd14c71d8a53c3; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:10:46 -0400 Message-ID: <4ff85.5df3c7a2.39a332a5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:10:45 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=npH4S9XP5XByGuptLC8DN7Kw0ZcyBBuLn6SuTZr4kOxHLaK9WSwPimwfTGCi4_Mo X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2010 6:49:00 PM Central Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > it suggests fixes for am broadcasting. the best sounding am i have heard > is > wsm in tennessee. it uses open wire transmission line and a blaw knox > tower. > > had wsm been running am stereo then it would have sounded just like fm. i > had it out to 90 miles with full quieting and good fidelity. > With their 1/2wave+ Blaw Knox tower with 50 large going into it that low in the band, WSM's groundwave countour likely goes out well past 90 miles. I agree, WSM would be a great candidate for AM Stereo. Let WLAC doing the talkin. I am not sure what an open wire transmission line acheives other than a mishap waiting to happen. Lower loss? What the FCC counts is power into antenna base and most commercial transmitters has extra capacity to make up for line loss. KFBK also uses one but their whole antenna system is exotic. The bandwidth of hardline coax is well beyond the needs of AM radio. I agree with all the writer's points. What I would add is some thinning of the herd is needed as well as updated technical standards. Also, cutting down on power cheaters, although that is nothing new. Many years ago, in the Twin Cities, KDWB on 630 khz had a nightime authorized power of 500 watts. They routinely ran their 5kW daytime power. How they got away with that with a FCC field office in town I will never know. Storz, who ran their 50kW competitor WDGY, would send people out doing signal strength surveys to show KDWB's nightime signal was interfering with KXOK, Storz's station in St. Louis which shared 630 khz. The complaints to the FCC would always come from KXOK but strangely enough, all the people involved with signal surveys worked for WDGY. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Aug 22 21:49:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 220 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 04:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2010 04:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s9.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.212) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 04:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from SNT121-W53 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s9.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:49:31 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:49:32 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4ff85.5df3c7a2.39a332a5@aol.com> References: <4ff85.5df3c7a2.39a332a5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2010 04:49:31.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[938C5070:01CB427E] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Ezo3PS2IyjrMGM2x5iE-7yWyzcmGNFRM1fGK7V2Pgfdu X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you can see the wsm transmission line here... http://gallery.bostonradio.org/2002-03/wsm/100-00501-med.html jimhawkins wsm tower site http://www.j-hawkins.com/wsm.html More WSM http://gallery.bostonradio.org/2002-03/wsm/ an engineer i talked to mentioned something about the feedpoint impedance and the open line being a closer match to the feedpoint then rigid line meaning less tuning to match the feedpoint to feedline. might have something to do with wsm tower being a 1/2 wave at 650. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:10:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan > > In a message dated 8/22/2010 6:49:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > > > > it suggests fixes for am broadcasting. the best sounding am i have heard > > is > > wsm in tennessee. it uses open wire transmission line and a blaw knox > > tower. > > > > had wsm been running am stereo then it would have sounded just like fm. i > > had it out to 90 miles with full quieting and good fidelity. > > > > With their 1/2wave+ Blaw Knox tower with 50 large going into it that low in > the band, WSM's groundwave countour likely goes out well past 90 miles. I > agree, WSM would be a great candidate for AM Stereo. Let WLAC doing the > talkin. > > I am not sure what an open wire transmission line acheives other than a > mishap waiting to happen. Lower loss? What the FCC counts is power into > antenna base and most commercial transmitters has extra capacity to make up for > line loss. KFBK also uses one but their whole antenna system is exotic. The > bandwidth of hardline coax is well beyond the needs of AM radio. > > I agree with all the writer's points. What I would add is some thinning of > the herd is needed as well as updated technical standards. Also, cutting > down on power cheaters, although that is nothing new. > > Many years ago, in the Twin Cities, KDWB on 630 khz had a nightime > authorized power of 500 watts. They routinely ran their 5kW daytime power. How > they got away with that with a FCC field office in town I will never know. > Storz, who ran their 50kW competitor WDGY, would send people out doing signal > strength surveys to show KDWB's nightime signal was interfering with KXOK, > Storz's station in St. Louis which shared 630 khz. The complaints to the FCC > would always come from KXOK but strangely enough, all the people involved > with signal surveys worked for WDGY. > > Mike > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 22 23:12:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97413 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 06:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2010 06:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 06:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2010 06:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2010 06:08:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:08:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.125.225 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=vW1wcqipd0yA9jXgFEPAx3riBXK09jP3JdGosugq0NL0A26tC2QwBsDwHRu73mr8rTNwWSYh X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi John Real Player 8 works very well. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > For some reason, Windows Media Player won't let you play this directly fr= om the link; I guess you'll have to save it to your desktop, then play it f= rom there? >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote= : > > > >=20 > > Hello, > >=20 > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > > group. > >=20 > > File : /id+thats life.mp3=20 > > Uploaded by : toledohamradio =20 > > Description : CFCO-AM Stereo FTA-100 Sinatra Sample=20 > >=20 > > You can access this file at the URL: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/id%2Bthats%20life.mp3= =20 > >=20 > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.= htmlfiles > >=20 > > Regards, > >=20 > > toledohamradio > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 22 23:40:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74462 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 06:40:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2010 06:40:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.187) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 06:40:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10119 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 06:40:01 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.18.125.225 with login) by smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2010 23:40:00 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: OvAUBZIVM1mjd0Kexbq6fIfWBv0S96G23XOs2NHuIILVDQ0 Er0ihT1wfA3LPnepdFY6856iLULS0uuNv1GxzD3cvXGYMaJiLpTufw9JByR. mu0iEeNyVdS4ktdgb0sIoLrGw7L0itd9Cusq4Pcwv5bY_6X21gFOvuTdJT_x .IWe84siB99lnS0.J0gJg9Qg4guXFTJN8uVEcOAJmyDGc_5gJkmy1jej.0uS dfhKlTx28.VGZu4J9TjjeyQctUFzqhjS9uybSmpVQbDkcY9Ljb92HT1PHGUj q7DpMHe_byalVuPY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <07311C724B3840C78DF0D2C454128847@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <824222.11789.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:40:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.187 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfedo Lite question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=AOWOqMXn69JEH7gL6EabdqZL8q3_4noMTdK5IKu-tx87P1D3RNSPvCgMjSL_Rgv6SVa34CCV X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi It seems to be working. I think I will leave it a loan. I am no engineer. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:34 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfedo Lite question Yes you will get more power, however what John said is correct. AND if you still want to do it, you had better have a correct load, lest you let smoke out of your final transistor !! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: toledohamradio Jim, do NOT bypass the light bulb - it will save your transmitter from damage if your antenna gets accidently grounded the light bulb will take the heat and save the transmitter from damage. John - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 23 00:04:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36613 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 07:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2010 07:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 07:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o7N74jma017763 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:04:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.efd.45aba1a (43814) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d25.mail.aol.com (magic-d25.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.159]) by cia-dc01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC013-ab264c721d8a2a7; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:04:42 -0400 Message-ID: <5761e.1a492d25.39a3778a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:04:42 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=i4sEghR-aDUPLiahjE8ay9UCGjcXyxD2JrbvDKFn2LHrnG3-9vRz2qRUj5D3pupL X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2010 11:49:41 PM Central Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > might have something to do with wsm tower being a 1/2 wave at 650. > Lots of the Class I stations use 1/2 wave towers (or a smidge over or under), but open-lines nowadays are rare. KBFK uses open line to center-feed their Franklins (I have no idea what the center-point impedance of a Franklin is) and the transmission line length to match and phase them. One Class I uses a shunt-feed directly from the transmitter shack. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 23 00:39:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54345 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 07:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2010 07:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 07:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o7N7ctDe025788 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:38:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d45.67c8febe (43982) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:38:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d25.mail.aol.com (magic-d25.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.159]) by cia-dd04.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD047-abce4c722589321; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: <57eb0.7fbf58cb.39a37f89@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:38:49 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=RUBxTGCQilkdiZqKZ3wwj9rQX9RGK4iDfoKBlgnDyFbJClxzXmIFJEM89o21wDDq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gosh, I have been looking for one of coverage maps for years. You most likely already know this, but the original WSM tower had to be trimmed. The tower had a mast section at the top. After it was built, it was discovered there was skywave interference with fringe groundwave. At 650 khz, the groundwave with 50kW goes pretty far out. The premature skywave return was due to the tower being two tall and was generating a secondary vertical lobe. Due to the velocity factor of the steel with which it was built, the tower was taller electrically than intended. So it was trimmed by removing some of the mast at the top. I read it was common practice never to make a tower exactly a 1/2 wave but rather to make it a smidge over or under. The reason was so the reactive component was always inductive or capacitive. It is was exactly 1/2 wave, it was theoretically be purely resistive. However, any change would make it inductive or capacitive. So only a single reactive element would be needed to tune out the drift, the antenna would be delibrately made slightly inductive or capacitive. If it was calculated to be slightly shortly than 1/2 wave, it would need a tuning capacitor. It if was actually longer, it would need a tuning inductor. That may explain the unused air capacitor and currently used inductor. At one time, the WSM tower was the tallest AM tower in the United States. However, I think it lost that distinction to a station in Corn Country closer to the bottom of the band. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wgc76711@netzero.net Mon Aug 23 15:08:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wgc76711@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98751 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2010 22:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2010 22:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2010 22:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2010 22:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2010 22:08:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:07:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.253.12.195 From: "billconingford" Subject: KDKA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=150973068; y=FJpnD4SE50DzpgDMoo0CZaE3JMZgIcS4ugzxwEE2WAX2G1sRJZJ9Dpo X-Yahoo-Profile: billconingford Back in the late 80's KDKA (1020 - Pittsburgh PA) had a promo for Pirates b= aseball "Listen in Stereo right here" the sound bite included the crack o= f a bat hitting a ball. Does anyone have an MP3 or WAV of this. Thanks!! From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 23 20:31:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77228 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2010 03:31:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2010 03:31:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2010 03:31:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2010 03:31:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2010 03:31:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:31:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.217.209 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KDKA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=bnWtnhRwcwrJ5Fjor6Ur-w3fXyZUhmY8Rgw4IgDJqhWtt7v3Q-KcEk88aqiRMMLEKZAZu1LL X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I got to hear a fue A's games in stereo on KFRC AM 610. The games = sounded perty good. I miss KFRC AM 610. I have been listening to there stre= em through my A.L and that sounds very good. The only one of there two st= ations that has DJ's are KFRC AM 1550. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "billconingford" wrote= : > > Back in the late 80's KDKA (1020 - Pittsburgh PA) had a promo for Pirates= baseball "Listen in Stereo right here" the sound bite included the crack= of a bat hitting a ball. Does anyone have an MP3 or WAV of this. Thanks!= ! > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 22:21:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95097 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2010 05:21:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2010 05:21:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2010 05:21:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65878 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2010 05:21:04 -0000 Message-ID: <860857.64979.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: rKEL4wAVM1mGuPUvY8hnv1hzU5zDhui55PH2HdoBN8Ftg4L DjRop6.kmNQSYnZavTu1qMpGCeI2eW4HN_2vCf1r.JcZTvI1uXHOFSCLI9jW df_YV91Vk0WxGRCIHcd_y.G3x3ICC_K94x9Ucm7aIxudWOuwOhg97LXjxPpJ QSgmPEk18wibU1P4gzJKVBl4V8jIPgfBxq.6iXsv6CS.2VdEJ8u24nWyadim _doktN2C1vyAvskAU83d9GjV1wZLYcRxDUIC79X325UxOet03XsVi.firOlH kM5A9BF2vjpero9EM4g2HIIf1N4iuc.kVGwhecHyw2288ALiUWWTA X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:21:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:21:04 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: OT - Radio Connector Info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=pp6fb77rHgaEVqRDSf9JPTegmy9uaSbHpoJee58zSDifLE5sfZUIIvk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody have a link to a site that has the pin-outs for radio connectors? Looking for pinouts on the 3 white connectors on a 2007 Nissan Sentra Radio. (Yes, it does need AM stereo). 73's John From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 19:34:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74390 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2010 02:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2010 02:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2010 02:34:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57201 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2010 02:34:49 -0000 Message-ID: <703758.56070.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JN9fPosVM1n_RBFhxzEmrmO9bBXsK3ykJ4tEUutiOqTtZVg 6Lhjn3wR21BHRpeNN2lLwPAtsRxYObEdFUth84_YzDr3264zZ2p7q1O5tY3O WiMlUkBEpxdiHkT2tXGsd17MaqNR_87JUbJS_rUD.Hj0AEAfBBPLrc_kV8jW t34fE5iP22SqlYvpz9m6gbfBDrKj8qsrl.Q2PggzMF66K8psbhTAQStD8pDp FdI2ImgM1xfriA8hzVLa00ONoGxFFKl70i9evNQs_uLClEYC5jdbZLMXIrik _XOQ1pf.UJlY3izjldIIMA7NdZPlIQdrQYr9gJAw2OQdSX1EAOJesH7Q.beT vh76lsEVD1_E8zLH7FTbjaAo2jWNqJpvjIzIhm_xQ X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:34:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:34:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <860857.64979.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Radio Connector Info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Q4RoHdc5iLYRQTvNeOiVrAsd3KOS6VY60Mhq5012c9vO_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If it is the STOCK radio, then the wiring should be available on the All-Da= ta website.You may need to have a friendly mechanic access it (it is a paid= service for garages).If it's aftermarket, sorry, I'm not sure....G --- On Wed, 8/25/10, John wrote: From: John Subject: {AMSF} OT - Radio Connector Info To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 1:21 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Anybody have a link to a site that has the pin-outs for radio connect= ors? Looking for pinouts on the 3 white connectors on a 2007 Nissan Sentra= Radio. (Yes, it does need AM stereo). 73's John =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 19:36:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79823 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2010 02:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2010 02:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2010 02:35:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45160 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2010 02:35:54 -0000 Message-ID: <356139.44971.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tdHUMSQVM1nN4ItoW2AfUMW4NMaI3yRCDaJwMbCbbUg6G1p oD2ZlmyMs0QmR_ZAb84kQxVUTpxS2uz8cxIX81WSdME.jtToc62raEi3mB7o JjtzVjioWgn6VqAbAkhzMym73agcmUWE47yRswF43lghJqO.FtKZt.nhnAG_ wW7RhdI8NSaAUZD51ZDfYGWVH6cnicKQI.x1fLz8lGEQqVbxeldDUqemX2MS v832IrvPLoNZgAk2rFRvBBpo2REOIYJcaI1tnUOY2USm.DptvPpHIwQQSOLc qN6FoGg4TPWPqXpMiRMEq8aFW6xBr_bZmDbUiYro_KO0B8Ca2FGTUSHmeLiS 5_VfaA6rxMjapMA-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:35:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:35:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <860857.64979.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Radio Connector Info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ydJodUoqJT30-OluUEy7vB9km9vN_tgXfic8Z84t0h2ufA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I may stand corrected...AllData may be on CD-ROM rather than web...G --- On Wed, 8/25/10, John wrote: From: John Subject: {AMSF} OT - Radio Connector Info To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 1:21 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Anybody have a link to a site that has the pin-outs for radio connect= ors? Looking for pinouts on the 3 white connectors on a 2007 Nissan Sentra= Radio. (Yes, it does need AM stereo). 73's John =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 02:49:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90723 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2010 09:49:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2010 09:49:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2010 09:49:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56483 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2010 09:49:26 -0000 Message-ID: <709740.56436.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: A2Gl_vwVM1nkj2mJKj8j2H2tSHsXVzPkbhJ20l0JF.nJoUQ dMHIZhRTCR6xoHHG3e8rG.._P0LEODhOZPeOE5Cc8fzZJ76moirU_lbg0aDN GLoAEIv2dlsuArBqjRw03dNLcvFUortkouNuGJYuEPHoBu5.ksKt35y367Mt z7w0vkY8ubVlA45nLP1WObLUQ81DzLrPqtgFnVzwdCxIi5FUAJODKyyozDF8 7ZpLIKk4pNdf6AuEsXEw.kYCZhmKlc0yHeXBgrTKCQvv8rlNhGtQL7hRt7Uf UuKKsEwjVP2Qg6tUW1EZ2TbewKx0qljDYCWuMAEb3msZAAoxHB6qpWQtA0w- - X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:49:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:49:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01d801cb4250$635c4780$6400000a@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This is A.M. Stereo go time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=gqT6SDGBZPzGtOd9QpVCdF8K6sls2HgDnBGcwJGvujZQyjTrs93u X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Too bad they didn't keep the radios from those cars.=C2=A0 Ugh. --- On Sun, 8/22/10, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrot= e: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This is A.M. Stereo go time To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 7:12 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Most premium car radios through 2000 or 2001 and the Ford CD-6 may st= ill have it. The government's now defunct cash for clunkers scheme unfortu= nately killed a lot of what might still have been serviceable cars from the= 90s which would still have had AMS and did very little to get actual clunk= ers off the road. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 3:28 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: This is A.M. Stereo go time Some samples: ASPiSYS MEDUCI FANFARE FTA-100 WINRADIO Just look for it in Google. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 26 08:45:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92254 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2010 15:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2010 15:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.184) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2010 15:45:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78403 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2010 15:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@71.155.149.230 with login) by smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2010 08:45:40 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: Z9GZk6kVM1kjHFXixH2HtvST9aiPnC2_CyFOmOVbnX7MgyY 6xcIrahsis5GHKNvijPi9OeGXMSCEgfABLF8SvEBmNhU.BMyv.CtZNbYyzSu Gg4CgOwqzeUEh2noXyk0_LGqJ44mE9UJRQOwnhyQmfzK0OTQeW_rfnHepfuz LxqfRZQwQzolGM9xoJJNvc.6joBLF9ojE6hsZaNoCjDqQO.oK_Zo81C7wVqk dFMJnFVm8KjRG4rVmDvX4P8Gkm6ja7g4o X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <73FCA64696B64843B91A60186A9C6EDA@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:47:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.184 From: "jim smith" Subject: Radiosophy HD 100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=3P78Szg5NQMWhWcqbpL1BVh9nC6cNItTblLJoXPbpI7uth4QD846mOHpUbh8HL494-n7tW1p X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang On the Radiosophy HD 100 I had noticed a STEREO light for FM STEREO dose it work for C-QuAM also? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 12:26:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29603 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2010 19:26:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2010 19:26:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2010 19:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2010 19:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2010 19:26:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:26:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <860857.64979.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.187.118.73 From: "tom_richard1980" Subject: Re: OT - Radio Connector Info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=gLp2PHpCVZkfQLvhVoX6qfktJUfAwpx51la3x7AFzp14Jmm-SrjqLaJc X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Crutchfield.com or Radio Shack. A Nisson dealer's parts department should = have them. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: > > Anybody have a link to a site that has the pin-outs for radio connectors?= Looking for pinouts on the 3 white connectors on a 2007 Nissan Sentra Rad= io. (Yes, it does need AM stereo). > 73's > John > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 21:06:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96168 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2010 04:06:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2010 04:06:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2010 04:06:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2010 04:06:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2010 04:06:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 04:06:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.14 From: "Jota" Subject: Heathkit AJ-30 audio samples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mCvjp7qTZrsUFT-EFABPVtuEkw5z70CFQfQ_RVf1WbBl9Pt4JA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wanted to upload the audio file samples from my very old Heathkit AJ-30 t= uner but... I couldn't do it because the forum files capacity is almost ful= l!!! Can somebody fix it, please? Well, I have the samples. Mono audio, of course, and a noticeable distortio= n (because all the vacuum tubes inside the tuner are absolutely exhausted a= nd I don't have spares to change it). But, even the audible distortion, it = has better audio bandwidth than any today AM tuner. If somebody want to hear the samples, just ask me. BTW, Does somebody has the AJ-30 schematics? I discovered something very ba= d in the FM section (a typical "open grid" noise) but I don't know where co= uld be the place to check it. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Aug 27 02:51:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47119 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2010 09:51:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2010 09:51:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2010 09:51:08 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2010 09:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2010 09:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2010 09:51:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:51:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <73FCA64696B64843B91A60186A9C6EDA@jim3slp85ju21o> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.97.60.104 From: "starship20012001" Subject: Re: Radiosophy HD 100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=3Q0UTI-2jb7pDCG-Qc_NK1edXjDeJyqCI34tbL5iod8VRkGcUcyn9nPp_g X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang On the Radiosophy HD 100 I had noticed a STEREO light for FM ST= EREO dose it work for C-QuAM also? Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > no it does not. keep in mind you also need a blow torch signal to decode cQ= uam on it. Also 5khz bandwidth. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Aug 27 16:29:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24792 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2010 23:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2010 23:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2010 23:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.35] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100827182918102736800011.0) with SMTP id <20100827182918102736800011> for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:29:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009b01cb4640$98c09400$6400000a@home1> To: References: <860857.64979.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Source-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:35:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:29:18 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Radio Connector Info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-v8HZmW4TWOd_kZkdQpQKF-mXABgEDgH9yQYod1QkOZwuM8J7oJh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not offhand, but if you can find a place that has a lot of car audio accessories you can try finding some aftermarket connectors. I know Metrawire was big in this field a number of years ago. What you do is look at the package and copy the data down. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:21 AM Subject: {AMSF} OT - Radio Connector Info Anybody have a link to a site that has the pin-outs for radio connectors? Looking for pinouts on the 3 white connectors on a 2007 Nissan Sentra Radio. (Yes, it does need AM stereo). 73's John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Aug 27 17:04:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42182 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2010 00:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2010 00:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2010 00:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.35] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100827190440100148200011.0) with SMTP id <20100827190440100148200011> for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:04:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012c01cb4645$89a6f860$6400000a@home1> To: References: <57eb0.7fbf58cb.39a37f89@aol.com> X-Source-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:11:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:04:40 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=grY7JZI1Z8Ox-HoqaZOPolDsikeNOOxbxYo7xE5cCccAarcZfwQ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be WNAX in Yankton, SD. There's one taller if you count the night tower of a 560 in Detroit. IIRC they use a TV tower of something like 1100'. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:39 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan At one time, the WSM tower was the tallest AM tower in the United States. However, I think it lost that distinction to a station in Corn Country closer to the bottom of the band. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 28 10:18:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22247 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2010 17:18:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2010 17:18:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.185) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2010 17:18:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11755 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2010 17:18:08 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.41.74.25 with login) by smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2010 10:18:08 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: uZpnFowVM1mp2bBXR0FZvsXfgEpLwnKe3kE0334b5.sRJia bNt1EUHie46dwZoSNO8mPK.yE_u.N96ACBeexZaJwRr2LK4o2nMlvkW4aL6D F6nAqX0Q0Xza.XsKVuQQ5Ju4k9s1MWcU5ZyfOXgdndtSFWVVg34MM5OMNu.o V9P0t6jUd4S0VO4V0NMTMOej1LAj1D8TEGLK.6uwiVrB7aQFkFjhxTq9vd8M Z8m8lheQh_SP3G7SykIz9ckRw5fg- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <734E38658E94434DB7A00FAB85082EEC@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:18:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Y47sqY3kHIFm74AVfY0KlMoLdx4EsYmJcnNAgqhIXP8oHqEnyYXIWYSwjFCAhfDGZhTXQ3Ie X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I found this guy that uses KANH IBS AM STEREO to trasmit sound but at the same time he also trassmits slow scan color pics to a normal analog TV. I herd a sound chip of his signal and it sounds great. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 18:41:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72773 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2010 01:41:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2010 01:41:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2010 01:41:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2010 01:41:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2010 01:41:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 01:41:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012c01cb4645$89a6f860$6400000a@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=rzJvYNtNOayQ7tm1bQG2XhCthwzQmL0lx1-oLvkXtEcyvm-SnEUuSFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio You are correct Scott; 560AM Monroe/Detroit used to be CQUAM days, but not = at night becuase they powered down to about 11 watts at a totally different= transmitter site: it's A HUGE TV tower over 1K' tall! On days, their HD on 560 detroys my reception of 580 CKWW from Windsor, des= pite Toledo being in the null of 560! JP --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > That would be WNAX in Yankton, SD. There's one taller if you count the n= ight tower of a 560 in Detroit. IIRC they use a TV tower of something like= 1100'. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 28 18:58:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27771 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2010 01:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2010 01:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2010 01:57:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27458 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2010 01:57:57 -0000 Message-ID: <134569.27323.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CNnt6pUVM1lrBSCmqrtIZ2983Ovtjm74jFwfdQvE7V0WK_9 nJsxBUJaTrGdAANFdTw_CBkaDTYv7Ssbh._MOBo94TuBhtbRlY1G6qnTpFqR nv7KQL5.NrV9CJEuG_nZbzOb6nLwk0au0toZ2IosRIUtD039px4ksn_.ZS8O Y.AUIv2EZKlB3vNGVxoz8h_tXnLIYuIIvW.wFI.QXST8IBOHj.GSe3VCBzzX HeElo_bIQ4C2LSb5LTVuR0X34KBhXQUF_ou6KTIqcSCjvjmG71thz24jPpnh yFjgcPhXQSo6CXLAEWcB7tFGcPc1EloDpdwyUpACuav2.Cfn_kv3a2mfp8Dv H3trOjZZk0oVrFg-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:57:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:57:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=7pjL26W6ULs8JAJNzikeyNPMBtWETgjylOFvOeir4zAuAw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh yeah, that IBOC crap ruins CKWW sometimes! =C2=A0I wrote a letter to CKW= W, asking if it would be possible to get the Canadian government to issue a= formal complaint to the FCC, but was told it wouldn't be worth the effort.= =C2=A0It's time for a good old-fashioned border radio war, just like US/Me= xico in the old days. =C2=A0Pump CKWW up to half a meg, full audio bandwidt= h, and turn the tables...let the cymbal splatter trash the ICRAP right out = of existence! =C2=A0OK, I DO feel warmly in the matter...just the thought o= f big cooling ponds at CKWW makes for pleasant dreams! =C2=A0G=C2=A0 --- On Sat, 8/28/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 9:41 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 You are correct Scott; 560AM Monroe/Detroit used to be CQUAM days, bu= t not at night becuase they powered down to about 11 watts at a totally dif= ferent transmitter site: it's A HUGE TV tower over 1K' tall! On days, their HD on 560 detroys my reception of 580 CKWW from Windsor, des= pite Toledo being in the null of 560! JP --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > That would be WNAX in Yankton, SD. There's one taller if you count the n= ight tower of a 560 in Detroit. IIRC they use a TV tower of something like= 1100'. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 28 20:11:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42501 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2010 03:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2010 03:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2010 03:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o7T3Ajkg021016 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:10:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.cf3.7a57a7df (34897) for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:10:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA016-88514c79cfb1260; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:10:41 -0400 Message-ID: <640cf.49ae5313.39ab29b1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:10:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Japan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=biMVGvNJLCoBbLCGDPN88IV9139-IO4ty_a7Hmh1b0F55rJ6gl35aHhGqqwUvvVg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What do they do? Shunt feed it? What about ground counterpoise which a TV doesn't have? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 18:01:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88763 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2010 01:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2010 01:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2010 01:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2010 01:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2010 01:01:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:01:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.18.96.224 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=qSjq1NUFRdVt495wPTNAgFdMnBAv6G_I5otls12wMg7c X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i still have this available. any takers? no one wants to experiment with am= stereo? need to move this. see info and pic's of delta tx and other stuff here... http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=3D371&subAreaID=3D&query=3D= t-town%2C+al+35405&catAbb=3Dsss From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Sep 02 16:39:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23696 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2010 23:38:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2010 23:38:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2010 23:38:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.134] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100902183820101936100011.0) with SMTP id <20100902183820101936100011> for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:38:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001701cb4af8$e70e25c0$ec18fea9@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 18:44:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:38:20 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=3NxmvUy44RTqcO06Bxg7brdQYOt04zEGsy3HX_lBPV0JnQJ4RK0o X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I might be interested, but it could be a month or so before I have the cash to do so. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available i still have this available. any takers? no one wants to experiment with am stereo? need to move this. see info and pic's of delta tx and other stuff here... http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=371&subAreaID=&query=t-town%2C+al+35405&catAbb=sss [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Sep 02 17:22:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79979 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2010 00:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2010 00:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2010 00:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP194 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:22:37 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([76.18.96.224]) by BLU0-SMTP194.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:22:36 -0700 To: References: <001701cb4af8$e70e25c0$ec18fea9@home1> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:22:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100902-0, 09/02/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2010 00:22:36.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C27A560:01CB4AFE] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.155 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=iaCNmCkczPcKCBlw6FjhWuEXyMD5LDW7Qwp0GWybkt0Y X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd well it does not seem to be going anywhere fast. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100902-0, 09/02/2010 Tested on: 9/2/2010 7:22:33 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sun Sep 05 10:24:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51044 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2010 17:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2010 17:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2010 17:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2010 17:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2010 17:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2010 17:24:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:24:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <734E38658E94434DB7A00FAB85082EEC@jim3slp85ju21o> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=-JmiOTzHtP_Po4bMFY08vsLRMyBCuPy6L6VMnwHGGM9a X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Jim, Do you know what kind of a rig this guy is running?? ISB is the way to go f= or this stuff. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I found this guy that uses KANH IBS AM STEREO to trasmit sound b= ut at the same time he also trassmits slow scan color pics to a normal anal= og TV. I herd a sound chip of his signal and it sounds great. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 05 16:45:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57572 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2010 23:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2010 23:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2010 23:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2010 23:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2010 23:34:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:34:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.54.253 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=kDTOkXA-Xcqwa2tOAa9eejW5ISvs5vWJmzeYOzvqvOSRcEK7-GL3m8uqu5f9X_ZPWXdZOTaV X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Jerry No I don't. Nor that I am a engineer. All I can say is Google "V= edioamstereo"it and you can find his site. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Jim, >=20 > Do you know what kind of a rig this guy is running?? ISB is the way to go= for this stuff. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I found this guy that uses KANH IBS AM STEREO to trasmit sound= but at the same time he also trassmits slow scan color pics to a normal an= alog TV. I herd a sound chip of his signal and it sounds great. Jim Smith > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Sep 06 20:50:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34420 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2010 03:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2010 03:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2010 03:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2010 03:50:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2010 03:50:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 03:50:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=DGPWrhgd-dB4Up6yy7kZ6yPun2gY6m2rv-m1OmL-l5uh X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Thanks Jim. Will Check it out. My friend Pete, WA1SOV was asking. He built = an exciter using some DSP an he has it running ISB AM stereo on 75 meters. = As a matter of fact there's 2 1/2 of them in the world. There is another on= e on the air at WBCQ and I have one half assembled here. He wanted to do so= mething commercially but don't know if he has the time right now. You can s= ee the thing at: http://www.broadcast-techniques.com/ He was thinking of SSTV as an application like you were talking about. His = exciter will run multiple modes with a change in software. With him on the = air on 75 in ISB and me using a Mangnavox/Belar like system you really need= a multi mode reciever (lol). We're both using Sony SRF A100's, me with an = old Gonset Super Six converter ahead of it and he's got some haywire I.F. s= etup out of his old SP 600 receiver. Hey, it works. 73 Jerry --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Jerry No I don't. Nor that I am a engineer. All I can say is Google = "Vedioamstereo"it and you can find his site. Jim Smith >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > > Jim, > >=20 > > Do you know what kind of a rig this guy is running?? ISB is the way to = go for this stuff. > >=20 > > Jerry WA2FNQ > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrot= e: > > > > > > Hi Gang I found this guy that uses KANH IBS AM STEREO to trasmit sou= nd but at the same time he also trassmits slow scan color pics to a normal = analog TV. I herd a sound chip of his signal and it sounds great. Jim Smith > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 09 04:50:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65553 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2010 11:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2010 11:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2010 11:50:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2010 11:50:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2010 11:50:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:50:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.147.135 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=UrFtjUSi2CCUrAT_McoKRcj1h1qOW_2H0nEUMxR8dLcAHp_lpcK4rPIg5yzrByDqEkuyxgI8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi That sounded good. I thought that some one wrote here that music was ele= gal on short wave. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Thanks Jim. Will Check it out. My friend Pete, WA1SOV was asking. He buil= t an exciter using some DSP an he has it running ISB AM stereo on 75 meters= . As a matter of fact there's 2 1/2 of them in the world. There is another = one on the air at WBCQ and I have one half assembled here. He wanted to do = something commercially but don't know if he has the time right now. You can= see the thing at: >=20 > http://www.broadcast-techniques.com/ >=20 > He was thinking of SSTV as an application like you were talking about. Hi= s exciter will run multiple modes with a change in software. With him on th= e air on 75 in ISB and me using a Mangnavox/Belar like system you really ne= ed a multi mode reciever (lol). We're both using Sony SRF A100's, me with a= n old Gonset Super Six converter ahead of it and he's got some haywire I.F.= setup out of his old SP 600 receiver. Hey, it works. >=20 > 73 Jerry >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Jerry No I don't. Nor that I am a engineer. All I can say is Google= "Vedioamstereo"it and you can find his site. Jim Smith > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > > > > Jim, > > >=20 > > > Do you know what kind of a rig this guy is running?? ISB is the way t= o go for this stuff. > > >=20 > > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wr= ote: > > > > > > > > Hi Gang I found this guy that uses KANH IBS AM STEREO to trasmit s= ound but at the same time he also trassmits slow scan color pics to a norma= l analog TV. I herd a sound chip of his signal and it sounds great. Jim Smi= th > > > >=20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > From bratina501@msn.com Thu Sep 09 22:16:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1809 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2010 05:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2010 05:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2010 05:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2010 05:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2010 05:16:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:16:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.54.152 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=Lc_NA88TjoFiXrLNuzprPtJsAqwZl7LZkB0RqkpudA3pL5iLQA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi That sounded good. I thought that some one wrote here that music was e= legal on short wave. Jim Smith Its only illegal in the amateur radio bands where it violates part 97 of th= e FCC rules. If WBCQ really does run ISB stereo at some point its a shame t= heir pattern does not cover the western US otherwise I could hear it. I alr= eady own two shortwave receivers that do SSB and could decode stereo that w= ay. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 06:10:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85581 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2010 13:10:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2010 13:10:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2010 13:10:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99571 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2010 13:10:12 -0000 Message-ID: <603555.99437.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FFRBMDEVM1mAI.prI_omWLR13wZExdFOjjax_7yTT0_JvUq EIMe_KkkzMYSh5bVCHMHVQ3Mjr8VdYAgSbwFnB2rWE9_LTTnEqqvyoXkZ8Oo wW6YyO8oo9b2ZgPChAhhlrZ31E2JlarUZI9mRE5ag2I5KsnIU_M3lUClAf2q oHQdVnn0ZBP4h2VztbXrTVPUhXsTDvONVxqATlachQ3SyYmgpFUUb1M.KpCV jju94UoIvUSg5bgjHUPpuZxqqpS0VTKC6qm4lXiKzidMu9iTuf2XJkhlUjay vZp2PPRpWMstHJAZVTWMPUfaaR3yg_KrLebbwudO.jUPXT9WN.iP90g-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:10:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:10:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: Early Radio & AMS; was Videoamstere X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0ZLZgISlXu3OeOfRvZHrZZJvOlrraf_EYcUVC-perwsnnGry0EL7T9U X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Music used to be on the SW bands quite a bit when I was younger, and is still allowed. The only thing not allowed is that a USA SW station isn't supposed to be beamed to the USA - their target is supposed to be another country, but when VOA blasted out of Southern Ohio, you certainly could hear them here in the USA. Music used to be allowed on the amateur radio bands UNTIL the early 20's when people realized that THEY could broadcast music, sell ads and make money, so then the FCC made it illegal for hams to broadcast music. IF it wasn't for the hams of 1920 broadcasting 78's over the air, it's quite possible that commercial radio in the USA would not have existed, or would not have taken-off as early as it did in the 20's without the amateur radio stations broadcating and making little 'wireless listening posts' available to the general public to be amazed by this new technology. I used to make my own AM STEREO flyers and put them out at hamfests in the 90's with a list of local stations and photos of the car radios that could receive them, so I did my own "PR" for AM Stereo with people who would still care about radio and AM stereo (until CC gave the edict for all their engineers to turn off CQuam) killed-off 75% of the AMS stations. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Sep 10 08:54:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20131 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2010 15:54:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2010 15:54:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2010 15:54:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2010 15:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2010 15:54:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:54:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=jkQ871dApqUl_RKEqteveyDu_UXAZvMfbF-duBAP_zOF X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Yep, it is. No music on the Ham bands. But if you want to have some fun and= play with AM stereo stick a couple of microphones around the your station.= If you have a visitor stick him on one channel. One day I had 2 friends ov= er. I put one on the right and one on the left. Midway through the contact = they switched positions and the station on the other end picked it right up= . You gotta be creative but you can have some fun. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > >=20 > > Hi That sounded good. I thought that some one wrote here that music was= elegal on short wave. Jim Smith >=20 > Its only illegal in the amateur radio bands where it violates part 97 of = the FCC rules. If WBCQ really does run ISB stereo at some point its a shame= their pattern does not cover the western US otherwise I could hear it. I a= lready own two shortwave receivers that do SSB and could decode stereo that= way. > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 10 12:27:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7067 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2010 19:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2010 19:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2010 19:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2010 19:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2010 19:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2010 19:27:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:27:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.50.17 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=3FmRsiMC5CvyHfT_68LxywrfglRV7ml4idnAf2idzLKEXBngW_uCxgIWmi_yugW7Im4CNIQW X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Is ISB AM STEREO used in SW or both C-QuAM also? I would like to get a = SW radio.Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Yep, it is. No music on the Ham bands. But if you want to have some fun a= nd play with AM stereo stick a couple of microphones around the your statio= n. If you have a visitor stick him on one channel. One day I had 2 friends = over. I put one on the right and one on the left. Midway through the contac= t they switched positions and the station on the other end picked it right = up. You gotta be creative but you can have some fun. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas" wrote: > > > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrot= e: > > > > > >=20 > > > Hi That sounded good. I thought that some one wrote here that music w= as elegal on short wave. Jim Smith > >=20 > > Its only illegal in the amateur radio bands where it violates part 97 o= f the FCC rules. If WBCQ really does run ISB stereo at some point its a sha= me their pattern does not cover the western US otherwise I could hear it. I= already own two shortwave receivers that do SSB and could decode stereo th= at way. > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Sep 10 16:52:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87715 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2010 23:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2010 23:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2010 23:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100910185132100118200010.0) with SMTP id <20100910185132100118200010> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:51:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006501cb5144$1b400ec0$6400000a@home1> To: X-Source-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:58:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:51:32 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: lost another one X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YMDhfOBODoucqYYJB4sOoyn1zeo_2QfkSmjCGFBxgUx-p5YbS-TE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My annual foray up north revealed that KKIN (930, Aitkin MN) is no longer transmitting stereo. I figured they might end up a casualty as they were bought late spring of 09 by Red Rock Broadcasting, a big group out of Duluth, a city that has never had an AM stereo station to my knowledge. Last year it was pilot only so I emailed to ask if they'd be interested in having me rebuild the AM stereo generator. Never received a reply but I know what few engineers (may be singular?) they have aren't able to do much more than put out fires. The previous engineer left to go to eastern WI a few years ago because he was overworked. The only station to light the indicator during a dial scan was the 1090 out of Rice Lake but that's rather moot since they went to a sports talk format many months ago. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 10 17:25:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19939 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2010 00:25:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2010 00:25:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2010 00:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2010 00:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2010 00:25:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:25:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006501cb5144$1b400ec0$6400000a@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.231.172 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: lost another one X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=vKfyHoWVbxWKN0S6vpoFF1Zd75PtPMw9ep0fCrzUdYGDiJ68hubNEMUBnpaIRyjATE4trhus X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Thats to bad. There site still says that thay are in stereo. There= are two new ones on Jeff Deck's list. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > My annual foray up north revealed that KKIN (930, Aitkin MN) is no longer= transmitting stereo. I figured they might end up a casualty as they were = bought late spring of 09 by Red Rock Broadcasting, a big group out of Dulut= h, a city that has never had an AM stereo station to my knowledge. Last ye= ar it was pilot only so I emailed to ask if they'd be interested in having = me rebuild the AM stereo generator. Never received a reply but I know what= few engineers (may be singular?) they have aren't able to do much more tha= n put out fires. The previous engineer left to go to eastern WI a few year= s ago because he was overworked.=20=20 >=20 > The only station to light the indicator during a dial scan was the 1090 o= ut of Rice Lake but that's rather moot since they went to a sports talk for= mat many months ago. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Sep 13 10:11:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41816 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2010 17:11:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2010 17:11:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2010 17:11:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2010 17:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2010 17:10:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:10:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=HiJbQ0z2zXFepj-vruE9JnZs1LdR7NDrxtDCn4ZQfPTS X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I don't know who, if anybody, is running AM stereo on SW. From whay I under= stand WBCQ is running carrier and 1 sideband but I could be wrong. As far a= s I know they do not run stereo. If anybody knows please post. Jim, if you have an AM stereo reciever you could try using a converter in f= ront of it. I have an old Gonset Super 6 and just putting my Sony SRF 42 ne= ar it works. I've found these converters at flea markets for a few bucks. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Is ISB AM STEREO used in SW or both C-QuAM also? I would like to get = a SW radio.Jim Smith >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > > Yep, it is. No music on the Ham bands. But if you want to have some fun= and play with AM stereo stick a couple of microphones around the your stat= ion. If you have a visitor stick him on one channel. One day I had 2 friend= s over. I put one on the right and one on the left. Midway through the cont= act they switched positions and the station on the other end picked it righ= t up. You gotta be creative but you can have some fun. > >=20 > > Jerry WA2FNQ > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas" wrote: > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wr= ote: > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > Hi That sounded good. I thought that some one wrote here that music= was elegal on short wave. Jim Smith > > >=20 > > > Its only illegal in the amateur radio bands where it violates part 97= of the FCC rules. If WBCQ really does run ISB stereo at some point its a s= hame their pattern does not cover the western US otherwise I could hear it.= I already own two shortwave receivers that do SSB and could decode stereo = that way. > > > > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Sep 13 14:08:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11340 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2010 21:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2010 21:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2010 21:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100913160813102021900011.0) with SMTP id <20100913160813102021900011> for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:08:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007601cb5388$cdbd8b40$6400000a@home1> To: References: X-Source-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:15:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:08:13 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=MyvhrQshoQhg31mly3lgGr8YfayOim3Tx0ESLkR59GMSdUooOX6j X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think CHU also runs SSB full carrier. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: wa2fnq To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo I don't know who, if anybody, is running AM stereo on SW. From whay I understand WBCQ is running carrier and 1 sideband but I could be wrong. As far as I know they do not run stereo. If anybody knows please post. Jim, if you have an AM stereo reciever you could try using a converter in front of it. I have an old Gonset Super 6 and just putting my Sony SRF 42 near it works. I've found these converters at flea markets for a few bucks. Jerry WA2FNQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 13 15:05:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87812 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2010 22:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2010 22:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.187) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2010 22:05:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37551 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2010 22:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.40.144.220 with login) by smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2010 15:04:59 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: KuYZD7wVM1k8V5G1S36Pown2zaUBvOKPK0acTPCgtQ8R6gj GZWymDQzpDS9PSr20rdaZ8w5ZHywR4dKnKxq_FQ1wIoBZ9q3flrOd9CSI_1Y ul23OpkRlxte1G.hGDghdPccmMfuGhPkhKJI3vy35GesBeAzrYi2eu6QwcV3 0Dkj3SNabv7cRYa3EnskMuQRhasjbxcaA5juBxQ_34K4sDDBge9b5cXbtkUh umPf8B2sn2KxXb3tskQx2gpwJIjyoHJrJEjwbhyP9T7xqnFW4O.EDdxuabJy jsHZtfMfvpGxNVt8- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:06:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.187 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ThyoLvH5E5kopVC5O6NCTpdw8gALaNnbQ9YHqFSTJh-KG_zrZzzPYgrFmdYqdknTauIwDjx6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jerry Cool I will keep a eye out for one. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: wa2fnq To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 10:10 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo I don't know who, if anybody, is running AM stereo on SW. From whay I understand WBCQ is running carrier and 1 sideband but I could be wrong. As far as I know they do not run stereo. If anybody knows please post. Jim, if you have an AM stereo reciever you could try using a converter in front of it. I have an old Gonset Super 6 and just putting my Sony SRF 42 near it works. I've found these converters at flea markets for a few bucks. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > Hi Is ISB AM STEREO used in SW or both C-QuAM also? I would like to get a SW radio.Jim Smith > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > > Yep, it is. No music on the Ham bands. But if you want to have some fun and play with AM stereo stick a couple of microphones around the your station. If you have a visitor stick him on one channel. One day I had 2 friends over. I put one on the right and one on the left. Midway through the contact they switched positions and the station on the other end picked it right up. You gotta be creative but you can have some fun. > > > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi That sounded good. I thought that some one wrote here that music was elegal on short wave. Jim Smith > > > > > > Its only illegal in the amateur radio bands where it violates part 97 of the FCC rules. If WBCQ really does run ISB stereo at some point its a shame their pattern does not cover the western US otherwise I could hear it. I already own two shortwave receivers that do SSB and could decode stereo that way. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 13 23:52:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84087 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2010 06:45:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2010 06:45:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2010 06:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2010 06:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2010 06:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2010 06:45:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 06:45:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007601cb5388$cdbd8b40$6400000a@home1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.24.203.208 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=tpc87DpugE3m60IiRVTMEcCs2m_U-n-_E56D1VvUjAuIYd_mCZPSmJal80Z3WRTc58J-Dnth X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I was just wondering if you run a pilot tone with the ISB or C-QuA= M on SW? Or is it run in forced mode? Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I think CHU also runs SSB full carrier. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: wa2fnq=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 12:11 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > I don't know who, if anybody, is running AM stereo on SW. From whay I u= nderstand WBCQ is running carrier and 1 sideband but I could be wrong. As f= ar as I know they do not run stereo. If anybody knows please post. >=20 > Jim, if you have an AM stereo reciever you could try using a converter = in front of it. I have an old Gonset Super 6 and just putting my Sony SRF 4= 2 near it works. I've found these converters at flea markets for a few buck= s. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 14 07:01:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1182 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2010 14:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2010 14:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2010 14:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2010 14:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2010 14:01:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:01:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=CRf_yDGpdjG2lDJeeSCh1PqyNMOIWr1mOKsWbiBOGPkJJ2EEydczMtk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jerry, Was at a hamfest this weekend digging thru looking for a Gonset Super 6 and= all I could find was one that was a transverter for 6m to 2m for $60 - cou= ldn't find anything else.=20 How do you use use your Gonset - is it just the "I.F. coupling" that works?= (isn't it 50MHz down to HF?) JP --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: ...Jim, if you have an AM stereo reciever you could try using a converter i= n front of it. I have an old Gonset Super 6 and just putting my Sony SRF 42= near it works. I've found these converters at flea markets for a few bucks= . >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Sep 14 10:27:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84251 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2010 17:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2010 17:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2010 17:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2010 17:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2010 17:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2010 17:27:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:27:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=xSHrhAQyJr8-yBCohD-SYrwB6VSd9ST_mcJnLEQNVKtS X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Hi Jim, The Gonset converter takes SW and converts it to the broadcast band. I tune= my Sony SRF A 100, SRF 42 or TM-152 to a quiet spot above 1600. The TM-152= antenna input is wired directly to the converter. The Sony radios pick up = enough radiated signal when they're near the converter and TM-152. ISB is n= eat because you get a "stereo" picture of the band around you. You'll actua= lly hear sidebanders quacking away in one channel below you and stuff above= you in the other channel. On my web site ( http://www.wa2fnq.com ) there is and audio clip of my tran= smitter in to a dummy load using the Gonset converter and Sony SRF 42.=20 You may find Gonset conveters on eBay. You don't necessarily need a Gonset = converter. Any converter that will output on the broadcast band will work. = I think Vectronics may have a kit. I'm not sure of this and I don't know ho= w well these things work. There's gotta be something out there.=20 BTW the Gonset is an old tube unit and you'll need to build up a or get lit= tle power supply. Maybe you'd want something solid state?? Jerry WA2FNQ =20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Jerry, > Was at a hamfest this weekend digging thru looking for a Gonset Super 6 a= nd all I could find was one that was a transverter for 6m to 2m for $60 - c= ouldn't find anything else.=20 > How do you use use your Gonset - is it just the "I.F. coupling" that work= s? (isn't it 50MHz down to HF?) > JP >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > ...Jim, if you have an AM stereo reciever you could try using a converter= in front of it. I have an old Gonset Super 6 and just putting my Sony SRF = 42 near it works. I've found these converters at flea markets for a few buc= ks. > >=20 > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 15 00:16:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35446 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2010 07:16:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2010 07:16:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2010 07:16:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2010 07:16:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2010 07:16:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:16:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.125.196 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=LIrpCA_qx2Fra1rmnkZrHGfCp4UOMC1UnKETigcdZmgVvCFKjrIuB-0Q-4R0sft3ejwZAlBl X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Jerry God i wish i knew more about this stuff. What you wrote is all mo= st greek to to me. So what i think you are saying is that the converter is = the SW tuner coverter. So when you use the coverter it decodes C-QUAM for t= he TM 152. Like i asked before dose AM STEREO singal have a pilot tone with= C-QuAM or ISB? I would just like to get a SW tuner like a SONY that can de= code AM STEREO if there is the signal to decode any more. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > >=20 > Hi Jim, >=20 > The Gonset converter takes SW and converts it to the broadcast band. I tu= ne my Sony SRF A 100, SRF 42 or TM-152 to a quiet spot above 1600. The TM-1= 52 antenna input is wired directly to the converter. The Sony radios pick u= p enough radiated signal when they're near the converter and TM-152. ISB is= neat because you get a "stereo" picture of the band around you. You'll act= ually hear sidebanders quacking away in one channel below you and stuff abo= ve you in the other channel. >=20 > On my web site ( http://www.wa2fnq.com ) there is and audio clip of my tr= ansmitter in to a dummy load using the Gonset converter and Sony SRF 42.=20 >=20 > You may find Gonset conveters on eBay. You don't necessarily need a Gonse= t converter. Any converter that will output on the broadcast band will work= . I think Vectronics may have a kit. I'm not sure of this and I don't know = how well these things work. There's gotta be something out there.=20 >=20 > BTW the Gonset is an old tube unit and you'll need to build up a or get l= ittle power supply. Maybe you'd want something solid state?? >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 >=20=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > > > Jerry, > > Was at a hamfest this weekend digging thru looking for a Gonset Super 6= and all I could find was one that was a transverter for 6m to 2m for $60 -= couldn't find anything else.=20 > > How do you use use your Gonset - is it just the "I.F. coupling" that wo= rks? (isn't it 50MHz down to HF?) > > JP > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > ...Jim, if you have an AM stereo reciever you could try using a convert= er in front of it. I have an old Gonset Super 6 and just putting my Sony SR= F 42 near it works. I've found these converters at flea markets for a few b= ucks. > > >=20 > > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 15 06:08:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72525 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2010 12:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2010 12:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2010 12:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2010 12:50:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2010 12:50:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:50:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=WpFZ9bxGz2CC1ayApHtwD5rPnUJJd2UxoBBhwVHIDe9PmhbSmQZLBU0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jim, you need the old Sony SRF-A1 or SRF-A100 that would decode stereo all = the time without any pilot tone. The Radio Shack requires the 25Hz pilot to= ne, so you need either the old Sony radios OR the MetroSound converter whic= h deocodes both styles of AM stereo with a switch. John From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Sep 15 14:05:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52682 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2010 21:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2010 21:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2010 21:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2010 21:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2010 21:05:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:05:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=xNmXi3ReOMjwPP4thHNdVINtnzfB2TjDYTsA1ZfBYsbL X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Sorry Jim. I missed answering your question.=20 Yes, you understand correctly. The converter does the tuning and the receiv= er just sits at one frequency. Think of it as being the first I.F. in a dua= l conversion receiver. I can use the converter with the TM 152 to decode C-= Quam or with the SRF A100 to decode ISB. Pete does not run any pilot tone w= ith his ISB. I have a 25 Hz pilot tone injected on my signal. I have no ide= a what it will do with receivers in the field although it does trip my TM 1= 52 in to stereo. Also, you may hear some distortion on a reciver like the T= M 152 because I'm not transmitting a C-Quam signal. The Sony radios do fine= . I wish we all lived closer together so we could play. We're normally on 3.7= 10 Mhz Saturdays @5 pm. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Jerry God i wish i knew more about this stuff. What you wrote is all = most greek to to me. So what i think you are saying is that the converter i= s the SW tuner coverter. So when you use the coverter it decodes C-QUAM for= the TM 152. Like i asked before dose AM STEREO singal have a pilot tone wi= th C-QuAM or ISB? I would just like to get a SW tuner like a SONY that can = decode AM STEREO if there is the signal to decode any more. Jim Smith > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > >=20 > > Hi Jim, > >=20 > > The Gonset converter takes SW and converts it to the broadcast band. I = tune my Sony SRF A 100, SRF 42 or TM-152 to a quiet spot above 1600. The TM= -152 antenna input is wired directly to the converter. The Sony radios pick= up enough radiated signal when they're near the converter and TM-152. ISB = is neat because you get a "stereo" picture of the band around you. You'll a= ctually hear sidebanders quacking away in one channel below you and stuff a= bove you in the other channel. > >=20 > > On my web site ( http://www.wa2fnq.com ) there is and audio clip of my = transmitter in to a dummy load using the Gonset converter and Sony SRF 42.= =20 > >=20 > > You may find Gonset conveters on eBay. You don't necessarily need a Gon= set converter. Any converter that will output on the broadcast band will wo= rk. I think Vectronics may have a kit. I'm not sure of this and I don't kno= w how well these things work. There's gotta be something out there.=20 > >=20 > > BTW the Gonset is an old tube unit and you'll need to build up a or get= little power supply. Maybe you'd want something solid state?? > >=20 > > Jerry WA2FNQ > >=20 > >=20=20=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" wrote: > > > > > > Jerry, > > > Was at a hamfest this weekend digging thru looking for a Gonset Super= 6 and all I could find was one that was a transverter for 6m to 2m for $60= - couldn't find anything else.=20 > > > How do you use use your Gonset - is it just the "I.F. coupling" that = works? (isn't it 50MHz down to HF?) > > > JP > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > ...Jim, if you have an AM stereo reciever you could try using a conve= rter in front of it. I have an old Gonset Super 6 and just putting my Sony = SRF 42 near it works. I've found these converters at flea markets for a few= bucks. > > > >=20 > > > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > > > > > > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 16 20:26:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6980 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2010 03:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2010 03:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.96.85) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2010 03:26:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67259 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2010 03:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.22.191.225 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2010 20:26:46 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: B3mD.r4VM1mWfgjDhoDb_C68m_IOaXRF8A7r64ji_UiVx5e P9pyoUMepRPTYsLyKvUYKra9.sMZ9uInfD942bQwmwESyarKs4hvzN2GXk5D qwiTjqmnVUT0b01UxkhnvzDzpNLiXwfWeyrj8KD096Xs0s5V.k_dX1tIj0xB Ei9Q9ra2CF6b1RDV.5uHgg1Zb_51MBzLMWq_pZOVgAXS_W50TWo4wnzjBM8P uPeUQvcw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <30B47E64B5FE465EB86EC845693DE7E5@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:28:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.96.85 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=s0HgC9xJIQTd4TLGlK6VODyeu0Dr02tm05LWHV3ZlkbZ0myDUjQ6tAx5yqgK-Sv0Xrqc_D84 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jerry The way i understand you are runing the Magnavox system . If so you are doing the same thing that WOWO AM 1190 was doing. Thay where runing the Magnavox system and injecting a 25 khz pilot tone for the C-QuAM radios. There are some great sounding clips of WOWO AM 1190 on You Tube. You have a good one. Jim S ----- Original Message ----- From: wa2fnq To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo Sorry Jim. I missed answering your question. Yes, you understand correctly. The converter does the tuning and the receiver just sits at one frequency. Think of it as being the first I.F. in a dual conversion receiver. I can use the converter with the TM 152 to decode C-Quam or with the SRF A100 to decode ISB. Pete does not run any pilot tone with his ISB. I have a 25 Hz pilot tone injected on my signal. I have no idea what it will do with receivers in the field although it does trip my TM 152 in to stereo. Also, you may hear some distortion on a reciver like the TM 152 because I'm not transmitting a C-Quam signal. The Sony radios do fine. I wish we all lived closer together so we could play. We're normally on 3.710 Mhz Saturdays @5 pm. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > Hi Jerry God i wish i knew more about this stuff. What you wrote is all most greek to to me. So what i think you are saying is that the converter is the SW tuner coverter. So when you use the coverter it decodes C-QUAM for the TM 152. Like i asked before dose AM STEREO singal have a pilot tone with C-QuAM or ISB? I would just like to get a SW tuner like a SONY that can decode AM STEREO if there is the signal to decode any more. Jim Smith > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > The Gonset converter takes SW and converts it to the broadcast band. I tune my Sony SRF A 100, SRF 42 or TM-152 to a quiet spot above 1600. The TM-152 antenna input is wired directly to the converter. The Sony radios pick up enough radiated signal when they're near the converter and TM-152. ISB is neat because you get a "stereo" picture of the band around you. You'll actually hear sidebanders quacking away in one channel below you and stuff above you in the other channel. > > > > On my web site ( http://www.wa2fnq.com ) there is and audio clip of my transmitter in to a dummy load using the Gonset converter and Sony SRF 42. > > > > You may find Gonset conveters on eBay. You don't necessarily need a Gonset converter. Any converter that will output on the broadcast band will work. I think Vectronics may have a kit. I'm not sure of this and I don't know how well these things work. There's gotta be something out there. > > > > BTW the Gonset is an old tube unit and you'll need to build up a or get little power supply. Maybe you'd want something solid state?? > > > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" wrote: > > > > > > Jerry, > > > Was at a hamfest this weekend digging thru looking for a Gonset Super 6 and all I could find was one that was a transverter for 6m to 2m for $60 - couldn't find anything else. > > > How do you use use your Gonset - is it just the "I.F. coupling" that works? (isn't it 50MHz down to HF?) > > > JP > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > ...Jim, if you have an AM stereo reciever you could try using a converter in front of it. I have an old Gonset Super 6 and just putting my Sony SRF 42 near it works. I've found these converters at flea markets for a few bucks. > > > > > > > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Sep 18 10:18:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85170 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2010 17:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2010 17:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2010 17:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2010 17:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2010 17:18:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:18:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30B47E64B5FE465EB86EC845693DE7E5@jim3slp85ju21o> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=-mH46n9YyGNOW0yrXTcfUeL46PFtxx032zHEhekWW8sq X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Hi Jim, Yes, it's sort of the Maganavox system. The difference I guess is I'm using= FM instead of phase modulation. Not a real difference in the end. I think the little distortions I'm hearing are due to to other things. I tr= ied the same setup using a little part 15 AM rig and it sounded OK on a Son= y XR-A33.=20 I've heard the WOWO story. I'll take a listen to the clips when I get a cha= nce. The old Magnavox system worked just fine and it was simple. Thanks!! Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Jerry The way i understand you are runing the Magnavox system . If s= o you are doing the same thing that WOWO AM 1190 was doing. Thay where runi= ng the Magnavox system and injecting a 25 khz pilot tone for the C-QuAM rad= ios. There are some great sounding clips of WOWO AM 1190 on You Tube. You = have a good one. Jim S > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: wa2fnq=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:05 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Sep 18 13:11:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67581 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2010 20:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2010 20:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2010 20:11:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49195 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2010 20:11:21 -0000 Message-ID: <634222.39952.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qP9ZURgVM1lXgrnZUDZtpitFSDK605.3.dyIxrWJnY3MlBR O_1rfGc0JE5oa1gSynT2CzXZh.da2dRE5VFPVWca6NG1AGucVQ4rI1sdY8YQ UX91R2EfBvN6N2QUT66gUl.Q2NlXLrHYPyvrFoBTetDIdtTW6mTX26A0RfpL r07dT0ohHvxn8hApcRUVEM17KU_VXPACju5AIRpQj.AXKU1Y7zvnyl3sP1bP rYfDkHSBBkqQ6KHmP3hXTrrKqHRE5t3Wno0XgXdwAya7XIMWqM5XA.CvKDnI FuQ4xJ0O28mwggKQxoow4jx_mnx14oHHbHrAsYPnMOSLtnk9TBdjNcZy44Df s3V_HKuX35zBscg-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:11:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:11:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4tPTXMVb8bzQyAWknO2uutdcw-fTOdk-EpoOXKVgMTwXLw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you're FMing instead of PMing, that is like the old RCA and Belar system= s. =C2=A0I believe it was field tested on WJR, and not for long. =C2=A0But = what the heck, where there's FM there's PM and vice versa, right?IIRC, WOWO= 's early Magnavox/PMX monitor WAS a Belar unit, with maybe slight modificat= ion. =C2=A0If Mr. Bob Streeter is out there, he can confirm this.G --- On Sat, 9/18/10, wa2fnq wrote: From: wa2fnq Subject: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 1:18 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Jim, Yes, it's sort of the Maganavox system. The difference I guess is I'm using= FM instead of phase modulation. Not a real difference in the end. I think the little distortions I'm hearing are due to to other things. I tr= ied the same setup using a little part 15 AM rig and it sounded OK on a Son= y XR-A33.=20 I've heard the WOWO story. I'll take a listen to the clips when I get a cha= nce. The old Magnavox system worked just fine and it was simple. Thanks!! Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Jerry The way i understand you are runing the Magnavox system . If s= o you are doing the same thing that WOWO AM 1190 was doing. Thay where runi= ng the Magnavox system and injecting a 25 khz pilot tone for the C-QuAM rad= ios. There are some great sounding clips of WOWO AM 1190 on You Tube. You = have a good one. Jim S > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: wa2fnq=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:05 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 20 02:09:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71096 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2010 09:09:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2010 09:09:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.84.213) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2010 09:09:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50064 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2010 09:09:24 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@71.155.151.173 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2010 02:09:24 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: u8ObQkYVM1n18SZ9ovIzNEHsm4J1E4o2IIfG2SaNagcgWor CwCkzZ02s6Uv6cTw7.4ER7TIdJrUmf1C0rPocfGYAk_L0FoZtrVFwbldjwgy 6jWjuA6R5jKh8SHQLKIO.ycftm5n54Sa8D2iVXGzsK5S_KgfB4fFEYQ8GjfI HWT17pXTJ6Rb7nwY1xecNZ0KfHTA5.agFQWsJRgmQvTTF4aCQ.BGXiGiruRt N X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9D55AF518A4F40C3A62A624B02822A98@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:11:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.84.213 From: "jim smith" Subject: Win Amp AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=j9SQN_JG77Ib2sU50_O71fbSOvhuQSMFhxWO400p_tL9tbhZv-oOgGpHmXMslkcvO0xzeBsO X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have been useing Old Win Amp and i have noticed that there is two boxs kps and the other is khz. So what i am asking is sence i know that khz is AM is the audio being streemed on the internet is AM freq? So some of the streems are in AM STEREO? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Sep 20 02:34:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98931 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2010 09:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2010 09:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f49.google.com) (209.85.215.49) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2010 09:34:40 -0000 X-Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1943695ewy.36 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:34:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.213.28.208 with SMTP id n16mr3106286ebc.75.1284975279614; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:34:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.14.47.130 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:34:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9D55AF518A4F40C3A62A624B02822A98@jim3slp85ju21o> References: <9D55AF518A4F40C3A62A624B02822A98@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:34:39 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.49 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win Amp AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=CmJ1Wu85cnoQQBYW3-GiNJ1jOZgp2H2KinACIQMjcP748H-5 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hehehehe, I hope you are joking Jim but if not here goes: Kbps: stands for Kilo (thousand) bits per second. Computers store and transfer information in bits (including audio). A bit is like a lightbulb, its either on or off. When you join bits together (some on, some off), you can represent a value or a number. Kbps is just how many thousands of bits the software receives per second. The bits in this case represent the music= . khz: stands for kilohertz. Hertz is a measure of frequency. ie. how many times does something happen per second. Kilo means thousand. Sound is cause= d by vibrating air. This vibrating air causes your ear canal to vibrate, resulting in you hearing the sound. Low pitched sounds vibrate slowly. High pitched sounds vibrate fast. The human ear can hear vibrations of up to 20000 times per second. In the case of Winamp, the display is just telling you how many vibrations per second are in the sounds at that point in time. In relation to tuning an AM station, kHz is the number of thousand cycles per second in the radio wave carrier. kHz has nothing to do with AM. You could just as easily say that an AM station at 1000kHz is 1Mhz. They both translate to 1,000,000 radio wave oscillations per second. Music is transmitted to Winamp digitally, not AM. Hope this helps ;-) On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:11 PM, jim smith wro= te: > > > Hi Gang I have been useing Old Win Amp and i have noticed that there is t= wo > boxs kps and the other is khz. So what i am asking is sence i know that k= hz > is AM is the audio being streemed on the internet is AM freq? So some of = the > streems are in AM STEREO? Jim Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 20 03:31:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25540 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2010 10:31:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2010 10:31:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2010 10:31:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2010 10:31:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2010 10:31:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:31:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.145.147 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win Amp AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=m580iV0ZY54o4A0RkU7RLDwqeTG9dwDbW2ytwpa7leqzeWkIFCPKX9NWlqdsK8l4QwII1IX6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Daniel Thanks that helps a lot. I am no engineer. But I am a AM STEREO = music fan!!!!!!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hehehehe, I hope you are joking Jim but if not here goes: >=20 > Kbps: stands for Kilo (thousand) bits per second. Computers store and > transfer information in bits (including audio). A bit is like a lightbulb= , > its either on or off. When you join bits together (some on, some off), yo= u > can represent a value or a number. Kbps is just how many thousands of bit= s > the software receives per second. The bits in this case represent the mus= ic. >=20 > khz: stands for kilohertz. Hertz is a measure of frequency. ie. how many > times does something happen per second. Kilo means thousand. Sound is cau= sed > by vibrating air. This vibrating air causes your ear canal to vibrate, > resulting in you hearing the sound. Low pitched sounds vibrate slowly. Hi= gh > pitched sounds vibrate fast. The human ear can hear vibrations of up to > 20000 times per second. In the case of Winamp, the display is just tellin= g > you how many vibrations per second are in the sounds at that point in tim= e. >=20 > In relation to tuning an AM station, kHz is the number of thousand cycles > per second in the radio wave carrier. kHz has nothing to do with AM. You > could just as easily say that an AM station at 1000kHz is 1Mhz. They bo= th > translate to 1,000,000 radio wave oscillations per second. >=20 > Music is transmitted to Winamp digitally, not AM. >=20 > Hope this helps ;-) >=20 > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:11 PM, jim smith wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Hi Gang I have been useing Old Win Amp and i have noticed that there is= two > > boxs kps and the other is khz. So what i am asking is sence i know that= khz > > is AM is the audio being streemed on the internet is AM freq? So some o= f the > > streems are in AM STEREO? Jim Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Sep 20 08:53:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58979 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2010 15:53:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2010 15:53:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2010 15:53:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2010 15:53:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2010 15:53:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:53:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.73 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win Amp AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5nhybkXF6G4VY3ATF2Nmue8WAGyTCP9eKPd3OwYmxdNdKv8prQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > >=20 > Music is transmitted to Winamp digitally, not AM. >=20 > Hope this helps ;-) >=20 Mmmm... Mmmm... I have to say you're slightly wrong. Obviously, Internet is a full digital domain world, BUT... the binary code = (10101001111001010...) is sent to all of us as a basic AM signal (it is a v= ery sophisticated multisubcarrier polyphase AM modulation). I mean, inside the Internet wires we have an AM signal which can be de-modu= lated by your Internet modem to get the original bit stream. That is the reason because we can't get a very good audio quality from Inte= rnet: too narrow channels at the same time. If you think about all the information Internet gives to you (image, video,= audio, text, etc.) at the same time, you would need 6 or 8 or more MBPS (m= ega bits per second) dedicated exclusively to the audio stream, to get the = same quality you're getting from an standard CD. But it is impossible becau= se you can not "to disconnect" all the non audio data from the Internet str= eam, so... you have only a little part of the whole Internet channel to you= r audio. The only one way to do something like that is using a dedicated digital aud= io line from your PC to some music station (point to point connection). But= ... I don't have enough money to loan to you because your telephone company= won't do that for free, HAHAHAH!!! The best audio quality you can get from Internet is when some good friend o= f you is sending to you a *.wav audio file to your e-mail account, HAHAHAHA= !!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 20 13:13:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40458 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2010 20:13:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2010 20:13:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.184) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2010 20:13:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44528 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2010 20:13:32 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.8.109.25 with login) by smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2010 13:13:31 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: cmVBJakVM1nhnWuyEIhlpzbAForKQLuXj3dVfIjXjamJ34. lKaK7q0Pq24MjDMl1yVvGBsKSAc2t6eQBmqhYlK9FC8NGLjAMi0UHsJkKwbi X3SU8YI883VIPiuSfqza19FFPcrlgoYo25LM5SFzhUpN9UcyfpONxC4P8NtQ 0Q5JNpdVdx5I.IKJH42.Na0TwO.kVEOyZXjP9LBSwNOm4en4KVGkuWQhP8r8 1tJptjmTJlQwnVcO3UBoxCXjuu9Aay74Z2vyDESb6Ipx2c2oLacE0h99coi6 5ZymeVRATk8DZoS4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <848E0A707D624AE0954597F774055F76@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:14:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win Amp AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=9Yrrlzkx0QKwK0NHnEObUCjDcusbeEk68i3yA8mYYTjHeRRbmmP4v4YVwe2PbTuROhWUEk4M X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jaun Thanks that also helps . Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win Amp AM? =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wr= ote: > >=20 > Music is transmitted to Winamp digitally, not AM. >=20 > Hope this helps ;-) >=20 Mmmm... Mmmm... I have to say you're slightly wrong. Obviously, Internet is a full digital domain world, BUT... the binary cod= e (10101001111001010...) is sent to all of us as a basic AM signal (it is a= very sophisticated multisubcarrier polyphase AM modulation). I mean, inside the Internet wires we have an AM signal which can be de-mo= dulated by your Internet modem to get the original bit stream. That is the reason because we can't get a very good audio quality from In= ternet: too narrow channels at the same time. If you think about all the information Internet gives to you (image, vide= o, audio, text, etc.) at the same time, you would need 6 or 8 or more MBPS = (mega bits per second) dedicated exclusively to the audio stream, to get th= e same quality you're getting from an standard CD. But it is impossible bec= ause you can not "to disconnect" all the non audio data from the Internet s= tream, so... you have only a little part of the whole Internet channel to y= our audio. The only one way to do something like that is using a dedicated digital a= udio line from your PC to some music station (point to point connection). B= ut... I don't have enough money to loan to you because your telephone compa= ny won't do that for free, HAHAHAH!!! The best audio quality you can get from Internet is when some good friend= of you is sending to you a *.wav audio file to your e-mail account, HAHAHA= HA!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Sep 20 14:31:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44692 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2010 21:31:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2010 21:31:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2010 21:31:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83805 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Sep 2010 21:31:31 -0000 Message-ID: <824750.83667.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Z5UOydIVM1nuZOCgBFj.c8q3G7IzK_EKJtmRy_az.bENxPF 67FVSVpXl8bf8UJEbpX4ZrBqZhQfeKoT2yudIQr7zq1n9RLaG4xeKkiLfvWb HkeAiK3OU0iDazRdTViZVrdAdBsnWdp.6yY8e.qOPvYXJn7wY9DJThtT14XY 2NBuuDaqSNO6a38ROTF1aMkW0VFI5cFF4xuFYAj.Bbghy6N.cqEOqRa5HdnA bCbb.J9uMMZURrDGXIoS8dWlFKXE_s0z.h2A1vtnvTeg7PxxmCw5J.7hxPSA d5zmlNOCZjG6wZz0sdGPo8G9tsd3ABbDrXunP8tBER9TXUebQlvCU_0d7ZMs KreJKzSdn00sLWn410dFlV9ROyLBYzRylT3ZkTz5rrg-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:31:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:31:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win Amp AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=UZ1zbsq5T1haHhKpZg8FFajAAFQaUC-YHQbXt8ghz-5exQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hertz? =C2=A0Yeah it does, when I think I am old enough to remember when th= ey called them "cycles per second", "kilocycles", "megacycles" and "thousan= ds of megacycles" forgigahertz. Slow down, father time! =C2=A0:>) =C2=A0 --- On Mon, 9/20/10, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win Amp AM? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 6:31 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Daniel Thanks that helps a lot. I am no engineer. But I am a AM STEREO = music fan!!!!!!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hehehehe, I hope you are joking Jim but if not here goes: >=20 > Kbps: stands for Kilo (thousand) bits per second. Computers store and > transfer information in bits (including audio). A bit is like a lightbulb= , > its either on or off. When you join bits together (some on, some off), yo= u > can represent a value or a number. Kbps is just how many thousands of bit= s > the software receives per second. The bits in this case represent the mus= ic. >=20 > khz: stands for kilohertz. Hertz is a measure of frequency. ie. how many > times does something happen per second. Kilo means thousand. Sound is cau= sed > by vibrating air. This vibrating air causes your ear canal to vibrate, > resulting in you hearing the sound. Low pitched sounds vibrate slowly. Hi= gh > pitched sounds vibrate fast. The human ear can hear vibrations of up to > 20000 times per second. In the case of Winamp, the display is just tellin= g > you how many vibrations per second are in the sounds at that point in tim= e. >=20 > In relation to tuning an AM station, kHz is the number of thousand cycles > per second in the radio wave carrier. kHz has nothing to do with AM. You > could just as easily say that an AM station at 1000kHz is 1Mhz. They bo= th > translate to 1,000,000 radio wave oscillations per second. >=20 > Music is transmitted to Winamp digitally, not AM. >=20 > Hope this helps ;-) >=20 > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:11 PM, jim smith wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Hi Gang I have been useing Old Win Amp and i have noticed that there is= two > > boxs kps and the other is khz. So what i am asking is sence i know that= khz > > is AM is the audio being streemed on the internet is AM freq? So some o= f the > > streems are in AM STEREO? Jim Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Sep 20 18:47:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55055 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2010 01:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2010 01:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ey0-f181.google.com) (209.85.215.181) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2010 01:47:14 -0000 X-Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so2043288eyf.26 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:47:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.213.28.208 with SMTP id n16mr4084821ebc.75.1285033633120; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:47:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.14.47.130 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:47:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:47:13 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win Amp AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=81sZzPY84BrZqQbhwHmg3kUNqPz-F4ctjzK4h4_CFG-NzH3r X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No worries Jim, Juan is right when he says that the digital 'bits' (0s and 1s) can be modulated using AM, FM, phase, combination, or simply pulses of light down optical fibre. This is defined in the PHYSICAL layer of the protocol stack = ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model). Winamp operates in the APPLICATION layer. Winamp doesn't care how the bits are modulated/transmitted. Winamp is happy as long as it is given a series of 0s and 1s that can be interpreted as music :-) Juan, full CD quality needs about 1.5 mega bits per second. ie. 44100 sample rate x 16 bits per sample x 2 channels =3D 1,411,200 bps Cheers, Dan On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Jota wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > Music is transmitted to Winamp digitally, not AM. > > > > Hope this helps ;-) > > > > Mmmm... Mmmm... > > I have to say you're slightly wrong. > > Obviously, Internet is a full digital domain world, BUT... the binary cod= e > (10101001111001010...) is sent to all of us as a basic AM signal (it is a > very sophisticated multisubcarrier polyphase AM modulation). > > I mean, inside the Internet wires we have an AM signal which can be > de-modulated by your Internet modem to get the original bit stream. > > That is the reason because we can't get a very good audio quality from > Internet: too narrow channels at the same time. > > If you think about all the information Internet gives to you (image, vide= o, > audio, text, etc.) at the same time, you would need 6 or 8 or more MBPS > (mega bits per second) dedicated exclusively to the audio stream, to get = the > same quality you're getting from an standard CD. But it is impossible > because you can not "to disconnect" all the non audio data from the Inter= net > stream, so... you have only a little part of the whole Internet channel t= o > your audio. > > The only one way to do something like that is using a dedicated digital > audio line from your PC to some music station (point to point connection)= . > But... I don't have enough money to loan to you because your telephone > company won't do that for free, HAHAHAH!!! > > The best audio quality you can get from Internet is when some good friend > of you is sending to you a *.wav audio file to your e-mail account, > HAHAHAHA!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 21 08:11:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38232 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2010 15:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2010 15:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2010 15:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2010 15:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2010 15:11:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:11:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <824750.83667.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.5 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win Amp AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=eVFKIx1XZqgh-swfEjS59E9Jsldp7Onm1nbCYzuhCblzTYjamg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Yeah, George!!! Those old times!!! BTW, here (Chile) "Cycle" is more commonly used than "Hertz". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Hertz? =C2=A0Yeah it does, when I think I am old enough to remember when = they called them "cycles per second", "kilocycles", "megacycles" and "thous= ands of megacycles" forgigahertz. Slow down, father time! =C2=A0:>) =C2=A0 >=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 21 08:34:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44545 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2010 15:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2010 15:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2010 15:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2010 15:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2010 15:34:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:34:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.5 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win Amp AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hg_Lc9qOsd6tbsOT0kM26xD01zvCRJNx8AzpIgKok5_pbPTzkw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Daniel!!! Yes, you're right about the CD bandwidth but you have to remember Internet = is a bi-directional system. I mean, every time your PC get one byte (8 bits= ), it sends another byte to the network. It is this way because it is the o= nly way to synchronize both devices (your PC and the rest of the Internet s= ervers you are using in that moment).=20 At the same time, Internet connection needs, yes or yes, some amount of ext= ra bytes to compare if the data your PC get is the data your PC wanted to g= et. If there is any error, the network repeat all the lost data. All this bi-directional system needs a very wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide bandwid= th to avoid the unavoidable delay (you can not to say "Hello" in your mike = and to expect your counterpart hear it inmediately as you get with the typi= cal radio ham devices or local telephone lines). So, you need 1440 KBPS to your CD audio PLUS (yes or yes) more than twice b= andwidth to all the "others" friendly bytes. For all these reasons... Internet isn't the best place to the good quality = audio. BTW, the impossible dream to get a bi-directional system in the standard br= oadcasting bands is the main reason to avoid the digital audio in the radio= world below VHF bands. You can use digital audio in narrow channels (like = MP3 devices) because this devices can compare the original data with the fi= nal result, all inside the unit. But you can not to use any kind of bi-dire= ctional comparing system between your AM Transmitter and any AM tuner in th= e world. Can you figure out all the people with a monster 100KWS TX/RX comb= ination to get the best digital quality from a DX monster station? HAHAHAHA= !!! It is impossible and hilarious!!! So... LEAVE THE DIGITAL AUDIO INSIDE THE STUDIO, INSIDE THE PCs, INSIDE THE= MP3/MP4 DEVICES AND INSIDE THE FCC SQUARE BRAINS. LEAVE THE ANALOG AUDIO I= N THE AM BAND!!!!!!! Just a crazy idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > No worries Jim, >=20 > Juan is right when he says that the digital 'bits' (0s and 1s) can be > modulated using AM, FM, phase, combination, or simply pulses of light do= wn > optical fibre. This is defined in the PHYSICAL layer of the protocol stac= k ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model). >=20 > Winamp operates in the APPLICATION layer. Winamp doesn't care how the bit= s > are modulated/transmitted. Winamp is happy as long as it is given a serie= s > of 0s and 1s that can be interpreted as music :-) >=20 > Juan, full CD quality needs about 1.5 mega bits per second. >=20 > ie. 44100 sample rate x 16 bits per sample x 2 channels =3D 1,411,200 bps >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Dan >=20 From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Sep 21 08:38:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76685 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2010 15:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2010 15:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2010 15:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2010 15:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2010 15:38:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:38:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <634222.39952.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=1EcF3zLKcY_HJORGBRFUReHJW0XS5a4hrFgnMgldmcpU X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Exactly!! Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > If you're FMing instead of PMing, that is like the old RCA and Belar syst= ems. =C2=A0I believe it was field tested on WJR, and not for long. =C2=A0Bu= t what the heck, where there's FM there's PM and vice versa, right?IIRC, WO= WO's early Magnavox/PMX monitor WAS a Belar unit, with maybe slight modific= ation. =C2=A0If Mr. Bob Streeter is out there, he can confirm this.G > --- On Sat, 9/18/10, wa2fnq wrote: >=20 > From: wa2fnq > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 1:18 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Hi Jim, >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yes, it's sort of the Maganavox system. The difference I guess is I'm usi= ng FM instead of phase modulation. Not a real difference in the end. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I think the little distortions I'm hearing are due to to other things. I = tried the same setup using a little part 15 AM rig and it sounded OK on a S= ony XR-A33.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I've heard the WOWO story. I'll take a listen to the clips when I get a c= hance. The old Magnavox system worked just fine and it was simple. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > Hi Jerry The way i understand you are runing the Magnavox system . If= so you are doing the same thing that WOWO AM 1190 was doing. Thay where ru= ning the Magnavox system and injecting a 25 khz pilot tone for the C-QuAM r= adios. There are some great sounding clips of WOWO AM 1190 on You Tube. Yo= u have a good one. Jim S >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 >=20 > > From: wa2fnq=20 >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:05 PM >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Videoamstereo >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 21 11:27:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83235 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2010 18:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2010 18:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2010 18:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2010 18:27:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2010 18:27:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:27:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.5 From: "Jota" Subject: Digital v/s Analog Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=H83bcyFMc0YbKcgI9ESU4bM2eEq2XBL9VTnZwaOr4yHFaa5nsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I want to know where, exactly, is the digital v/s analog war in the real ra= dio world. It is because I received the last "Radio World" issue (August 2010) and the= re is a lot of news about digital radio implementations in Brazil, Dominica= n Republic, etc. It seems to me like this newspaper be one digital radio en= thusiastic (or advertiser? ???). Here, in my beautiful country (Chile), I don't see any about digital radio = yet. And I really hope never see it!!! hahahaha!!! Which is the reality "in the field" around the world? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Sep 21 19:21:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2693 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2010 02:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2010 02:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f45.google.com) (209.85.215.45) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2010 02:21:40 -0000 X-Received: by ewy27 with SMTP id 27so15482ewy.32 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:21:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.213.28.208 with SMTP id n16mr125563ebc.75.1285122099972; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:21:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.14.47.130 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:21:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:21:39 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.45 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win Amp AM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=PitejDMY-MiiIQog9guZyRwRn76gCmWkpXCkPTCjgYoFidyt X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, the bi directional acknowledgement packets that you describe are part of th= e Transmission Control Protocol (TCP). This is in the 'Transport' layer of th= e protocol stack mentioned yesterday. The TCP protocol guarantees correct delivery of each packet in the media stream. The ACK packets are sent back to the sender to confirm that the packet has been received successfully ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_media#Streaming_bandwidth_and_storag= e). The sent stream packets are normally more than one byte. The ACK packets ar= e a small fraction of the actual stream. Also, the retransmission of data due to error is not that common if the line/medium used is not terribly noisy. Also, I think that download and upload speeds are usually separate. So the amount of uploading (ACK packets= ) doesn't affect your download speeds. Note: this may be wrong depending on what medium/layer 2 device you are using. The alternative to TCP is the User Datagram Protocol or UDP. UDP doesn't care if packets were received correctly and simply keeps sending packets. I= f packets become lost or corrupted, the receiver simply discards them and continues when it starts receiving good packets again. I think that UDP is quite common in streaming. Depending on whether error correction protocols (parity etc) are used, there is not much additional bandwidth to the original file. Don't get me wrong, I love analogue AM as well :-) Just trying to provide some perspective. Hope this helps, Dan On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Jota wrote: > > > Hi, Daniel!!! > > Yes, you're right about the CD bandwidth but you have to remember Interne= t > is a bi-directional system. I mean, every time your PC get one byte (8 > bits), it sends another byte to the network. It is this way because it is > the only way to synchronize both devices (your PC and the rest of the > Internet servers you are using in that moment). > > At the same time, Internet connection needs, yes or yes, some amount of > extra bytes to compare if the data your PC get is the data your PC wanted= to > get. If there is any error, the network repeat all the lost data. > > All this bi-directional system needs a very wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide > bandwidth to avoid the unavoidable delay (you can not to say "Hello" in y= our > mike and to expect your counterpart hear it inmediately as you get with t= he > typical radio ham devices or local telephone lines). > > So, you need 1440 KBPS to your CD audio PLUS (yes or yes) more than twice > bandwidth to all the "others" friendly bytes. > > For all these reasons... Internet isn't the best place to the good qualit= y > audio. > > BTW, the impossible dream to get a bi-directional system in the standard > broadcasting bands is the main reason to avoid the digital audio in the > radio world below VHF bands. You can use digital audio in narrow channels > (like MP3 devices) because this devices can compare the original data wit= h > the final result, all inside the unit. But you can not to use any kind of > bi-directional comparing system between your AM Transmitter and any AM tu= ner > in the world. Can you figure out all the people with a monster 100KWS TX/= RX > combination to get the best digital quality from a DX monster station? > HAHAHAHA!!! It is impossible and hilarious!!! > > So... LEAVE THE DIGITAL AUDIO INSIDE THE STUDIO, INSIDE THE PCs, INSIDE T= HE > MP3/MP4 DEVICES AND INSIDE THE FCC SQUARE BRAINS. LEAVE THE ANALOG AUDIO = IN > THE AM BAND!!!!!!! > > Just a crazy idea. > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > No worries Jim, > > > > Juan is right when he says that the digital 'bits' (0s and 1s) can be > > modulated using AM, FM, phase, combination, or simply pulses of light > down > > optical fibre. This is defined in the PHYSICAL layer of the protocol > stack ( > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model). > > > > Winamp operates in the APPLICATION layer. Winamp doesn't care how the > bits > > are modulated/transmitted. Winamp is happy as long as it is given a > series > > of 0s and 1s that can be interpreted as music :-) > > > > Juan, full CD quality needs about 1.5 mega bits per second. > > > > ie. 44100 sample rate x 16 bits per sample x 2 channels =3D 1,411,200 b= ps > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dan > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 24 04:38:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72404 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2010 11:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2010 11:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.82) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2010 11:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2010 11:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.235] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2010 11:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2010 11:38:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 793930.47624.bm@omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 88582 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2010 11:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.18.50.196 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2010 04:38:42 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: P7o8uQIVM1lMd2kwnrDnavsIe1F4SznJbI3ZAJ6ABpzWpUm utlYL8dcBt3pt2oFYSm5yHth80G5zHLhIgXoexDNLOFUH2vgSazT29aL3_Qs KzTyudoMUtk_CbRYHxEIO.U5oH.efAwJYC1ULsXHFYUf9vUku1uYlPceHivu RbGhv8VwizgTpbSii61YU.ATpXLfwvoyi9MkMMB49H3hMJzue16pdVyCgX24 SP2T1h79Piep0KIV96HQnM3Pkk9tn X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <2DD47FEF7D8044CCB00DA66791F019EA@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 04:38:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Hi Kevin T. I need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ACOnqAAOoUR4onACWxfiZKDOYfgrpEb5YmJDlcBR9EsnP61vdYLsUqMeog0tDgQv_-OjKcYw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kevin I need help with the e mail part of the forum. I am getting posts from the forum and thay are filling up my in box of my e mail. Thanks for your time Kevin. I am a big fan of the forum and AM STEREO music !!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Sep 24 05:09:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82571 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2010 12:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2010 12:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f174.google.com) (209.85.213.174) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2010 12:09:08 -0000 X-Received: by yxp4 with SMTP id 4so1179480yxp.33 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 05:09:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.11.17 with SMTP id 17mr4415152ybk.205.1285330148165; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 05:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm984669ybr.8.2010.09.24.05.09.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 24 Sep 2010 05:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <2DD47FEF7D8044CCB00DA66791F019EA@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:09:04 -0400 Message-Id: References: <2DD47FEF7D8044CCB00DA66791F019EA@jim3slp85ju21o> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Kevin T. I need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=erhqvmxsdmdJ10Vs-7TbzyWn-RNL4NgG0TttfrIlYqG7gNJRMj7esGD3egSUXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 24, 2010, at 7:38 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Kevin I need help with the e mail part of the forum. I am getting posts from the forum and thay are filling up my in box of my e mail. Thanks for your time Kevin. I am a big fan of the forum and AM STEREO music !!! I am not the Kevin you were asking for, but send an email to: amstereoforum-digest@yahoogroups.com And you will get all of the posts for the day in one email as a "Digest". 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 24 05:42:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25144 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2010 12:31:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2010 12:31:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.15.60) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2010 12:31:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87929 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2010 12:31:39 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.18.50.196 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2010 05:31:39 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: T7GGRJ0VM1nuMOciq1aQ9KMYUyXNMFAtFwmNJk1SQOwFO4j zNY3_qWkHiBiAXltPG0JVWXRUyPEKekmn4FC8mMsHMdnRNMOf9dXcan33dsv 3COxnGKjCc.CYiuh8Zw91H30zQ_FppCRk7QfRRMEskY6c_qUEHTzdnSo4vFy nn9Id3Le0N1yA58D3EmJWdf6TdtGeR_eM2qFSruB1B5ypyF7rxGA4jm_6Yhc vZpw8iYzVtqCIW8Y.Kzm07WVOjtUZrTCuy8oXmvO8OoBdxjVT4ywglyc0hUQ - X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <05B1DF4F76BB4778BAD50BE011E712E1@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 05:31:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.15.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Fw: This not about HDTV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=HrhJ97UBQCp1iRlgPult_ibHHc5kRHr5SPzOYXQKPVEyGMawgbpdEy01yQZz0vw7a7Q_CbQ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I sent this to the comet line at the www.fcc.gov. The reson i chose this title was because i sent another one before and the person reading was a realy bad reader. I was writeing about AM and FM radio this person thought i was writeing about HDTV coverter boxs. I know my spelling is perty bad but do make simple sentaces. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: FCCInfo@fcc.gov Cc: jim smith Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 5:02 AM Subject: This not about HDTV Hi This not about HDTV. I am writeing about analog Motorola C-QuAM AM STEREO. I think one thing is for sure is to remove IBOC from the hole AM band day and night. I would set the stations band width to 15khz day and 10khz night. I also would mandate that all music stations go AM STEREO as soon as posable. All radio makers should retool for AM STEREO insted of IBOC. IBOC makes to much noise for meade oaker sound it makes. You guys need to cut back on all the music TAXS on AM and FM or there will be NO music on both AM and FM. Jim Smith AM STEREO free zone. Loomis Ca neer Sacramento Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Sep 24 07:22:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89009 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2010 14:22:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2010 14:22:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2010 14:22:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2010 14:22:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2010 14:22:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:22:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <05B1DF4F76BB4778BAD50BE011E712E1@jim3slp85ju21o> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.60 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Fw: This not about HDTV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mQbrzukV1q8lZXswspDB3vliT9NbWJr1je5uIW9kdAmpbqwong X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Jim!!! I really think your comment wasn't misunderstood. I think they understood y= our message well, but they kick the ball out of the game field because they= aren't interesting in C-QUAM. They are HOT for IBOC (or Sold by Ibiquity? = ???) hahahaha!!! I WANT A FULL ANALOG AM STEREO BAND. I'd really want to have enough money to go to USA to buy a lot of small sta= tions and put them all to work in C-QUAM with a lot of music, despite the t= axes and the FCC speech, hahahahaha!!! LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I sent this to the comet line at the www.fcc.gov. The reson i c= hose this title was because i sent another one before and the person readin= g was a realy bad reader. I was writeing about AM and FM radio this person= thought i was writeing about HDTV coverter boxs. I know my spelling is per= ty bad but do make simple sentaces. Jim Smith From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 24 08:25:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98126 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2010 15:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2010 15:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2010 15:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2010 15:25:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2010 15:25:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:25:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.50.196 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Fw: This not about HDTV X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=RQIbV-r7S28KAdq_u56h4yl4Y2hU9WTgCmZsCa3R6PxCoT9nmsMmjvUN2carWFCJpVUmq43U X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Jaun Hell i would be happy to have one AM STEREO station with music her= e. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi Jim!!! >=20 > I really think your comment wasn't misunderstood. I think they understood= your message well, but they kick the ball out of the game field because th= ey aren't interesting in C-QUAM. They are HOT for IBOC (or Sold by Ibiquity= ? ???) hahahaha!!! >=20 > I WANT A FULL ANALOG AM STEREO BAND. >=20 > I'd really want to have enough money to go to USA to buy a lot of small s= tations and put them all to work in C-QUAM with a lot of music, despite the= taxes and the FCC speech, hahahahaha!!! >=20 > LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!!!!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I sent this to the comet line at the www.fcc.gov. The reson i= chose this title was because i sent another one before and the person read= ing was a realy bad reader. I was writeing about AM and FM radio this pers= on thought i was writeing about HDTV coverter boxs. I know my spelling is p= erty bad but do make simple sentaces. Jim Smith > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 19:32:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51894 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2010 02:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2010 02:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.15.62) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2010 02:11:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5537 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2010 02:11:48 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.16.135.30 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2010 19:11:47 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: IJmYhP0VM1mimtiJ6QP5q7NEO_hjZdAT3OnwC3nE9qOYRa_ Qz0_kkRhY7uNVrP89IthI1JHYH_afugkxh7DpMMV24qNTtM2KgSw_UOTyV6b 6dMrqBtRW9xbDFLJwBFZkpdBe.YnhOI55rl7jEdDAeNihIqSLEOrRU2jfMU6 f5tG5xApS3xvKzcPGjpiTfZHW1oUCHLoYN799uSbD.u_FOn2Nc.Xq.4ttHfm k4TCRVbnUEGVWg0JkRqCwn7ep88OE.Cbp X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1BC5BAA6AEB5427FBBFDD05129394B63@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:10:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.15.62 From: "jim smith" Subject: What happend? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=BPbXscPRfEAYR2DuXYUsJlriBR6CCmElxCCAzBH3cYj97NWI-QTRfsy6XWyfRd2fj0i6LYkI X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I don't know why but i can't access the forum. I hope this is temperairy. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 20:37:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80410 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2010 03:37:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2010 03:37:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2010 03:37:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2010 03:37:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2010 03:37:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:37:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.199.70.91 From: "wlx1430" Subject: Juan please read... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=1w2lbxgadhv9Gvzk2ltHJlp4-QhmUr-akqoFllSNIMIuwA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Juan, Forgive me for straying from radio for a moment, just wanted to tell you I = share in your country's joy as the first trapped miner is pulled from the g= round! As a West Virginian with miners in my family, it was with unashamed tears o= f joy I watched the miner step out of the rescue capsule and reunite with l= oved ones. I think for the next few days, the whole world will be looking = at that small hole in the earth, and saying as I do, God bless those men, m= ay they all safely return to the surface in good health! George From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Oct 12 21:03:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58276 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2010 04:03:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2010 04:03:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.213.47) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2010 04:03:53 -0000 X-Received: by ywl5 with SMTP id 5so2136672ywl.34 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:03:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.17.18 with SMTP id u18mr4360761ani.237.1286942633199; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.12] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i10sm9938667ane.29.2010.10.12.21.03.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:03:50 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Juan please read... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=W5yNZ3EpfOdn7fbcwbKU8bVNtrrgqZP8zzLLAxlKIffugb-cuampRAp-oyLElg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:37 PM, wlx1430 wrote: > God bless those men, may they all safely return to the surface in good he= alth! Amen! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 04:30:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63953 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2010 11:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2010 11:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2010 11:30:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2010 11:30:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2010 11:30:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:30:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.68 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Juan please read... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2rWVITitBa8yuV5oC1wzb-zuQkyiCumrnuLBn_1wNHC4Dt4TrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Thanks God because they are all alive and healthy!!!!!!! Thank you because you understand the real tragedy of these men. And I want to honor all the miners family, here in Chile and all over the w= orld, because they do the most dangerous job to get what we need and, norma= lly, we don't think about them as we should do. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wlx1430" wrote: > > Juan, > Forgive me for straying from radio for a moment, just wanted to tell you = I share in your country's joy as the first trapped miner is pulled from the= ground! > As a West Virginian with miners in my family, it was with unashamed tears= of joy I watched the miner step out of the rescue capsule and reunite with= loved ones. I think for the next few days, the whole world will be lookin= g at that small hole in the earth, and saying as I do, God bless those men,= may they all safely return to the surface in good health! > George > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 06:00:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74910 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2010 13:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2010 13:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2010 13:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2010 13:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2010 13:00:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:00:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Juan please read... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KVtHAjCVjxlA6ViVHKDgxdOYYSMUJn_VeK_pqGrGX0Wv1SIDOfXr654 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio How exciting to have the miners rescued! 1/3 out, 2/3 to go! I have not been so elated about a rescue attempt since the Apollo 13 missio= n some 40 years ago. Main problem with being a miner, AM radios don't work so well down in solid= rock! I'd miss AM stereo - I'd request a wire be run down their little air= shaft passageway they drilled first and a load of batteries - then AM ster= eo music for everyone! What an exciting day for Chile, South America, and the World! From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 14:12:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46673 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2010 21:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2010 21:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2010 21:12:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73088 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2010 21:12:13 -0000 Message-ID: <542542.65763.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HFO7D0cVM1lXzp2AjWyC2R61v4vF7Lcddas.EOTo9MlatPd TXjGFFO8lKsBqkjzRbtfFTcWcajYVHQjZrBGVVxUJVnKm1bNOR5wnZ8_KUmA 4E16qbq3vGtVH94rUj5oiPsjG_WCX10Q6WlnF3gfcoq38ZpQ1cMUNPifhLCe dh9rPw8_J_iP6jvvR33s6xOe8d7B_agFolJZvbJuz5ho_Ob3ejbcXUMkPN3s aG7DYSjj69wbEJ.po8VDuNi6.ZWuBHYIcVKGca_tZyz4IutknpnMGjgwQmau W7.pjJn46.eUTuaTrf2yDOjw1VYQouDzLIcKNE6WONMSAvb25EvQAJdtFhf5 oR3J85AmZX_LpvQ-- X-Received: from [76.234.147.216] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:12:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.106.282862 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:12:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Juan please read... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=w2zhY_YhprR9kmTb_m3TEackgsDxBhppeainQBCngvRabQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Run Radiax throughout the mine tunnels!=C2=A0 CKLW did that years ago, and = they were the only station you could get in the US/Canada Tunnel. =C2=A0 --- On Wed, 10/13/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: Re: {AMSF} Juan please read... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 9:00 AM =C2=A0=20 How exciting to have the miners rescued! 1/3 out, 2/3 to go! I have not been so elated about a rescue attempt since the Apollo 13 missio= n some 40 years ago. Main problem with being a miner, AM radios don't work so well down in solid= rock! I'd miss AM stereo - I'd request a wire be run down their little air= shaft passageway they drilled first and a load of batteries - then AM ster= eo music for everyone! What an exciting day for Chile, South America, and the World! =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 19:28:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73854 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2010 02:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2010 02:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2010 02:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2010 02:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2010 02:28:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 02:28:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.120 From: "Jota" Subject: Thanks God we have 33 miners rescued, alive, healthy and safe!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=w-583h4T7kSZkE-BXqIqrsqTDHljygWHsr03WpQJ32JkByLCTw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Oh, man!!! God exists and God helps!!!!!!! We have 33 miners rescued, saved from the inside of the mountain!!! I guess it is the most exciting and happy moment of the world mining histor= y. We could be hopefully united on this, and it isn't a minor thing. THANKS GOD FOR YOUR PRAYERS!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 06:31:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94083 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2010 13:31:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2010 13:31:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2010 13:31:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2010 13:31:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2010 13:31:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:31:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Thanks God we have 33 miners rescued, alive, healthy and safe!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=eHArvfducG99ppD9oEWlQHgnsI_Y9dIb3IRN-ZkE4UJ3jIprsaO9oN4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan, I don't know if you realize it, but here in the USA everyone has been= watching on TV to the rescue and it is THE biggest story in the USA the pa= st 24 hours! The Yahoo website crashed as the last miner was pulled up the= y had so many people online!=20=20 Very joyous and happy ending. Wish the whole world could come together in u= nity on other major issues like they have on this crisis! Wow! Amen. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Oh, man!!! >=20 > God exists and God helps!!!!!!! >=20 > We have 33 miners rescued, saved from the inside of the mountain!!! >=20 > I guess it is the most exciting and happy moment of the world mining hist= ory. >=20 > We could be hopefully united on this, and it isn't a minor thing. >=20 > THANKS GOD FOR YOUR PRAYERS!!!!!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 14 16:38:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63747 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2010 23:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2010 23:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2010 23:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20101014183817102803600011.0) with SMTP id <20101014183817102803600011> for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:38:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4CB79452.7040907@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:37:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:38:17 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101014-1, 10/14/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Juan please read... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=foL4_xOlrbBBxC2-ms4et0ZwqnAvb50hyxuhye7z9jI5Rf2PTkA2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd get claustrophobia just thinking about the situation they were in. I was able to cure it by praying for them and that the rescue would go off without any mechanical failures or the shaft collapsing. Scott Todd On 10/13/2010 6:30 AM, Jota wrote: > > > Hi Gang!!! > > Thanks God because they are all alive and healthy!!!!!!! > > Thank you because you understand the real tragedy of these men. > > And I want to honor all the miners family, here in Chile and all over > the world, because they do the most dangerous job to get what we need > and, normally, we don't think about them as we should do. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jesús Paredes Guerra From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 14 18:44:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82310 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2010 01:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2010 01:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp101.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.96.84) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2010 01:44:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9810 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2010 01:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.26.20.131 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2010 18:44:52 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: PWAE60AVM1lGLDTqO26HzUGQs_vBsvp4vJGzHprbM2OIXoH BhERkbn2Jk92kVKk4YAIfYIZvm1zZnmuvGEGucAObZ27xaLOoCMgGxEMsw7i gLvCWo431cJtOY9Xp5IqzJ_vkzEIBgKbI6sqo5l4_5n2FbPeENUsKIjc7Ba1 Md57XMgsDFLGYyTGcc7GPCsqkyc2jUNUcyNTy8fEzS0ge5yHhLg_3YrMYj.V UJdNxcuHxxVWxMHE4iBXysNdUwvxzOeTHB8SI0yOMVxV9iWTcdUh9mOYlSXN 5wvwTygw_7U3SrEkrto2ZRE54rVQkQS2r5_eM5rF193aU0c_ufXdbErQGfXv dyszgRNo2pSL3PjloVjpRXaXvOJTnp8EF X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6397F3373FE54F57BB5BE72331D8AEEB@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:44:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.96.84 From: "jim smith" Subject: Hi Juan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=n98iKpc57Pz-dE-P6Al9t1c4yKFRFlhtLjrViD4LORkAYIG46iKCCOiMq6PjJ4Ii3V1-Q9AH X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Juan I am glad that all the miners are home safe and sound. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Oct 15 22:40:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68309 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2010 05:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2010 05:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2010 05:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2010 05:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2010 05:40:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 05:40:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.53 From: "Jota" Subject: Listen radio at hard situations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=x8wNFPKTCcgN8E9LwR1fM3E1-6VAa2JLxwZtQd98kHCpIlxo_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! Again, I want to repeat: Thanks God for miners!!!!!!! But... I wonder, about their desperate past situation, if they could listen= some kind of radio signal at almost 700 meters below the landscape. Any idea about it? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 21 21:41:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23170 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2010 04:41:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2010 04:41:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2010 04:41:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57730 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2010 04:41:50 -0000 Message-ID: <469618.57434.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ObNQ1jcVM1m9Vd4HjVAYNxsqgteK.w4ulOA9YPaESfp6c.V l48R6V8MLM2zmMNHUj9wzlhemM.i.hUQU1N0H_oPIUgk6p0xEtZopfcMOvbL GSJpwzpMB30iu_81h6ks_CmnJ7Fj4SEZo8TsPL20mUNKDFJQ8BT8zTe3CI2R SjMVKQlY6PfahKRZo8vbHkpQ3afYoYuKxfhtKOJdP8GBkKiPYYv36JtI.xRz x2it2k8L30dWNkRYmTHhr1e6sQlewWtuK1FmmJ6m1XVJJ2YYrZbimJ3x1m6L hIbNIQgD9LTmt7IGevr3ArtQz94omWY9h.MjOLlq8YQg4jsb2_yXnsQ-- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:41:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:41:50 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=6tlGUijBHyOGd4teZPHBtDZdy9SSucgfqV7fC_G-ESEqEm9TvLFmD30 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: "There are only eight California AM stations still broadcasting in C-Quam stereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, KZSJ in San Martin, KFOX in Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in Vallejo. Four of those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. Maybe if anyone actually owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM stations would broadcast in stereo. Just a crazy idea of mine." From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 22 01:18:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32716 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2010 08:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2010 08:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2010 08:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2010 08:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2010 08:18:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:18:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <469618.57434.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.25.47.250 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=HI9nj5Jm__H2cPXP0yzQGswn47cX_SppghF655Z8WlYplKAME0GnSNYbch0Dtqe9lEysj_td X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi John Sadly none of them in the Sacramento Ca area. I use to get two AM = STEREO stations out of the bay area. It was KFRC AM STEREO 610 only in C-Qu= AM 1992 to 2000 and KSFO AM STEREO 560 SF CA. My List localy(1987) was KHWY= AM STEREO 1030 Folsom Ca (real loud) KTRB AM STEREO 860 Modesto Ca/ KRAK A= M STEREO 1140 Sacramento Ca/ KGNR/KCTC AM STEREO 1320 Sacramento. The only = tuner i had back then was the TM 152. Wish i could turn back the retro cloc= k more ways than one. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: > > Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: >=20 > "There are only eight California AM stations still broadcasting in C-Quam= stereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, KZSJ in Sa= n Martin, KFOX in Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in Vallejo. Four = of those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. Maybe if anyone actu= ally owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM stations would broadcast in stere= o. Just a crazy idea of mine." From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Oct 22 13:27:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44731 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2010 20:27:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2010 20:27:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2010 20:27:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2010 20:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2010 20:27:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:27:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.135 From: "Jota" Subject: An "out of topic" issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MCppa94MyPn5o_k9vGdxoVl594t11BvPrxTheEVNL2SWRX1TuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I know it isn't a Radio topic but... Since a while (I'm not sure when it exactly started), I have a "problem" wi= th my sound card capabilities. I used record audio, with a very good qualit= y, at 96000 samples per second, 16 or 32 bits per sample. Not any more. Tod= ay, I can only use 48000 samples as the top level full quality audio. If I = use more than 48000 samples, I get a very muffled sound (the typical 3 KHZ = telephone filter). My sound card is a Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 and I use it with W= indows XP Pro SP2 and the Adobe Audition 1.5 audio editing software. Please, any idea you have, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From rfpropguy@yahoo.com Fri Oct 22 17:36:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfpropguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73149 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2010 00:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2010 00:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp106-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.185.197) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2010 00:35:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59892 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2010 00:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from bda313.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (rfpropguy@67.223.84.60 with xymcookie) by smtp106-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2010 17:35:52 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: CG9AiRGswBDKAN9cDgoDmeyFRfJzpw-- X-YMail-OSG: MclBBxoVM1nNxOgFj.qw5Z37CXSrC6z9ZgzN2o3zc0iHmtC 6TnWmG75p X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:945321554 Message-ID:<945321554-1287794149-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-70859651-@bda2310.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal References: <469618.57434.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <469618.57434.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:35:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.136.185.197 From: rfpropguy@yahoo.com Reply-To: rfpropguy@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296463651; y=vN0jV4fpwOTtZwh_yPRMC5ug_Tuo7oTQ6JnBvQY7mhKq9iO3 X-Yahoo-Profile: rfpropguy Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John,=0D I HAVE an excelent AM stereo receiver. It is an AM stereo/FM stereo radio i= n my car (it came from the factory that way). There are perhaps millions o= f these un-advertized AM stereo receivers scattered throughout the US and = the broadcasters don't realize it.=0D Believe me, John, if the AM stations would broadcast in stereo, the public = would take notice (C-QUAM is commercially the most viable). IMHO, EVERY AM = station should be broadcasting in stereo, and should be dumping IBOC in the= trash where it belongs.=0D Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: John =0D Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=0D Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:41:50 =0D To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001=0D Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=0D Subject: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo=0D =0D Here's what I got off an XM list of all places:=0D =0D "There are only eight California AM stations still broadcasting in C-Quam s= tereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, KZSJ in San = Martin, KFOX in Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in Vallejo. Four of= those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. Maybe if anyone actual= ly owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM stations would broadcast in stereo.= Just a crazy idea of mine." =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Oct 23 10:44:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80935 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2010 17:36:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2010 17:36:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2010 17:36:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12997 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2010 17:36:04 -0000 Message-ID: <206868.12801.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7ya4bhkVM1mX3F2Qs4.t1D6kraj8CbRotwfsk9S2A2849eb ozh34TQ7Rwol.GFn1VWdw8ujBf3E6df79NnAOmTgK7i.NHTOBW.o.m_FHfG7 vJ3uJ.LqspK5KX_A1kvxsc5LIMhgrUzGV1zsR_gWE_aIxepzZSF2I7xSW3mY n5SGJYXfmkAVLdCobQiwFbheo_mWduDioTFwFu6AimO9Bs2yPU16jD3NghLZ HqjI3ehMuT6Upgn4HnuLecNtG48RxDZMSnyGbkf753mScBvLPvhNSGVxmjp8 tJQMEYg2GOL986zuvMh6swye90SIG5cnxV6svQhFY.cq1eZq39Tm6Ko9HqLZ l9MaElghs_RBs1zQQLEOZrA-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:36:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:36:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <469618.57434.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=NhWH9w6IMSNivsmD3w6wRIaM3bYu_kQmnduQBUdvO-EAJg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I share your crazy idea, John. =C2=A0Back in the 60's, the FCC required all= new TV sets to have a UHF tuner, too bad they lost their guts to special i= nterests (like Ibiquity) since then.Guess they no longer have any sway with= the set builders, they don't require X-band tuning, or NRSC curve, or anyt= hing beneficial to the LISTENER anymore. =C2=A0Some of us (especially on th= is forum) can build our own high-fidelity receivers, I have, but they shoul= d be available to the public, with certain minimum standards of performance= , and at a reasonable price. BTW, 1630 KCJJ ran an all-QUAD show four hours long back in the spring! =C2= =A0A guy that works there took a bunch of Q-8 tapes and encoded them into D= olby Pro-Logic II, redid some of the jingles to quad, then played it all ov= er the air. =C2=A0I didn't catch the show live, but it IS archived on the w= eb, I copied it onto a disc, and played it back through ye olde Sansui "QS"= receiver, didn't try it through=C2=A0Pro-Logic II yet, but even "decoded w= rong" it is pretty impressive! =C2=A0Ah, AM Quadraphonic, does it get any b= etter than that? =C2=A0(OK, QS via PMX would be the ultimate, but DPL-II vi= a C-QUAM ain't bad at all) Surround yourself with ANALOG sound, my friends = out there in radio land! =C2=A0Now you can hear FOUR commercials at a time,= one in each corner, so WE can shorten the breaks between the music by 75%!= =C2=A0Ah, there I go dreaming again...sorry.=C2=A0I'll get the link for it= on here as soon as I get back from Toledo, probably tomorrow sometime, or = just google something like "KCJJ quadraphonic". =C2=A0George --- On Fri, 10/22/10, John wrote: From: John Subject: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 12:41 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: "There are only eight California AM stations still broadcasting in C-Quam s= tereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, KZSJ in San = Martin, KFOX in Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in Vallejo. Four of= those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. Maybe if anyone actual= ly owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM stations would broadcast in stereo.= Just a crazy idea of mine."=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 23 14:01:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92209 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2010 21:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2010 21:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2010 21:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20101023160110102917700010.0) with SMTP id <20101023160110102917700010> for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 16:01:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4CC34CFA.1040801@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 16:00:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 16:01:10 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <469618.57434.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <469618.57434.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101023-1, 10/23/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lHhKsVM9uo-vhXZmhMKtHDgikH89yRCpdSfIpqteQ5mUabvbyP4r X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've said it before and it's worth saying again- if we want to save AM stereo it's up to us. Forget about trying to strong-arm any company or government agency. Get rich enough to buy your own station or two. As Maggie Thatcher once said, "Nobody would have remembered the Good Samaritan if all he had was good intentions." He had the means to do something about it. Ain't a sin to be rich if you're doing good with it. Scott Todd On 10/21/2010 11:42 PM, John wrote: > Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: > > "There are only eight California AM stations still broadcasting in > C-Quam stereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, > KZSJ in San Martin, KFOX in Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in > Vallejo. Four of those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. > Maybe if anyone actually owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM stations > would broadcast in stereo. Just a crazy idea of mine." From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Oct 23 22:26:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79848 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2010 05:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2010 05:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2010 05:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 05:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 05:26:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 05:26:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4CC34CFA.1040801@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.213 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Mh8Wx1BfSdxLVyY0g4YfQA99iM63bKCAt9MNs6h1HTcyIXO6lQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 AMEN!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > I've said it before and it's worth saying again- if we want to save AM=20 > stereo it's up to us. Forget about trying to strong-arm any company or=20 > government agency. Get rich enough to buy your own station or two. As=20 > Maggie Thatcher once said, "Nobody would have remembered the Good=20 > Samaritan if all he had was good intentions." He had the means to do=20 > something about it. Ain't a sin to be rich if you're doing good with it. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > On 10/21/2010 11:42 PM, John wrote: > > Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: > > > > "There are only eight California AM stations still broadcasting in > > C-Quam stereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, > > KZSJ in San Martin, KFOX in Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in > > Vallejo. Four of those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. > > Maybe if anyone actually owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM stations > > would broadcast in stereo. Just a crazy idea of mine." > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Oct 23 22:29:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51910 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2010 05:29:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2010 05:29:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2010 05:29:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 05:29:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 05:29:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 05:29:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <945321554-1287794149-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-70859651-@bda2310.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.213 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=29YtbayudkOs_usgOKj32xYeNOBw7Y_v_w0mMFsboblFytbMrg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Just my curiosity... Which exactly AM Stereo receiver is? Which car model? = ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, rfpropguy@... wrote: > > John, > I HAVE an excelent AM stereo receiver. It is an AM stereo/FM stereo radio= in my car (it came from the factory that way). There are perhaps millions= of these un-advertized AM stereo receivers scattered throughout the US an= d the broadcasters don't realize it. > Believe me, John, if the AM stations would broadcast in stereo, the publi= c would take notice (C-QUAM is commercially the most viable). IMHO, EVERY A= M station should be broadcasting in stereo, and should be dumping IBOC in t= he trash where it belongs. > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: John > Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:41:50=20 > To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo >=20 > Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: >=20 > "There are only eight California AM stations still broadcasting in C-Quam= stereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, KZSJ in Sa= n Martin, KFOX in Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in Vallejo. Four = of those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. Maybe if anyone actu= ally owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM stations would broadcast in stere= o. Just a crazy idea of mine."=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Oct 24 01:57:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19529 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2010 08:54:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2010 08:54:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f43.google.com) (209.85.215.43) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2010 08:54:42 -0000 X-Received: by ewy20 with SMTP id 20so1260451ewy.2 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 01:54:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.213.101.1 with SMTP id a1mr4789160ebo.4.1287910481777; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 01:54:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.14.126.210 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 01:54:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:54:41 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} An "out of topic" issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=9TLlSoEuz45K-BmR3-llSaK-ec03iEFaQz4iPKanqQ3McMHG X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, I believe that the ADC in the Sound Blaster Live 5.1 operates at 48Khz. I'm not sure how you ever managed to get 96Khz out of it :-) Dan On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Jota wrote: > > > Hi Gang!!! > > I know it isn't a Radio topic but... > > Since a while (I'm not sure when it exactly started), I have a "problem" > with my sound card capabilities. I used record audio, with a very good > quality, at 96000 samples per second, 16 or 32 bits per sample. Not any > more. Today, I can only use 48000 samples as the top level full quality > audio. If I use more than 48000 samples, I get a very muffled sound (the > typical 3 KHZ telephone filter). > > My sound card is a Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 and I use it with > Windows XP Pro SP2 and the Adobe Audition 1.5 audio editing software. > > Please, any idea you have, please let me know. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 24 11:47:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78626 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2010 18:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2010 18:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2010 18:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 18:47:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 18:47:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:47:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4CC34CFA.1040801@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.134.91 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=e0McVxSyK1J71emurHOpDS6uLK05kOgvTwdbiCPZcjaggODYkJg2RRtaH-y8RU_6t3rZPj0q X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Scott I wish i could!!!!!!!! I keep playing the Lotto. Jim Smith=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > I've said it before and it's worth saying again- if we want to save AM=20 > stereo it's up to us. Forget about trying to strong-arm any company or=20 > government agency. Get rich enough to buy your own station or two. As=20 > Maggie Thatcher once said, "Nobody would have remembered the Good=20 > Samaritan if all he had was good intentions." He had the means to do=20 > something about it. Ain't a sin to be rich if you're doing good with it. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > On 10/21/2010 11:42 PM, John wrote: > > Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: > > > > "There are only eight California AM stations still broadcasting in > > C-Quam stereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, > > KZSJ in San Martin, KFOX in Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in > > Vallejo. Four of those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. > > Maybe if anyone actually owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM stations > > would broadcast in stereo. Just a crazy idea of mine." > From rfpropguy@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 16:27:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfpropguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84056 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2010 23:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2010 23:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2010 23:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 23:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 23:27:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:27:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.81.254.181 From: "Martin" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=296463651; y=qg0_iGxpbMFgJ30QZi4kJ6rqA_y6BwJgVoB_iV7LGD9nI3hw X-Yahoo-Profile: rfpropguy Jota, I own a 2001 Chrysler Town and Country (pretty much like the Dodge Grand Ca= ravan, except the name and front grill is different). The stereo radio in = it is their upgrade unit with the better sound and CD player built in. I originally had NO idea that I posessed an AM Stereo radio until I was lis= tening one night to some "skip" from various stations from outside Utah whe= re I live. I stopped on a station from California that floored me. Was I = imagining things, or was I hearing music with a rich spacial quality that c= an only be possible with true stereo? I checked the distplay on my radio a= nd I saw the stereo indicator light up! WAHOO!!!!! It was like Christmas. I couldn't help but giggle and had this= stupid boyish grin on my face. The sad prolog to this story is that I hav= en't heard AM stereo since that day. -Martin --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Just my curiosity... Which exactly AM Stereo receiver is? Which car model= ? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, rfpropguy@ wrote: > > > > John, > > I HAVE an excelent AM stereo receiver. It is an AM stereo/FM stereo rad= io in my car (it came from the factory that way). There are perhaps millio= ns of these un-advertized AM stereo receivers scattered throughout the US = and the broadcasters don't realize it. > > Believe me, John, if the AM stations would broadcast in stereo, the pub= lic would take notice (C-QUAM is commercially the most viable). IMHO, EVERY= AM station should be broadcasting in stereo, and should be dumping IBOC in= the trash where it belongs. > > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John > > Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:41:50=20 > > To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 > > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo > >=20 > > Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: > >=20 > > "There are only eight California AM stations still broadcasting in C-Qu= am stereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, KZSJ in = San Martin, KFOX in Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in Vallejo. Fou= r of those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. Maybe if anyone ac= tually owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM stations would broadcast in ste= reo. Just a crazy idea of mine."=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 16:52:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25792 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2010 23:52:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2010 23:52:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2010 23:52:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 23:52:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 23:52:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:52:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.219 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An "out of topic" issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yM3Hgp6jPuvpVhjLz1jEJnWtAyMcZezj1DagBahczXq42fqd-A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Daniel!!! I'm not sure about the exact ADC frecuency of the SoundBlaster Live 5.1 car= d, but the Adobe Audition 1.5 recognize it as a 96 KHz capable device at, e= ven, 32 bits. And I can sure you I did more than one full quality recording= with 96000 samples per second!!! I don't know why I can't do it today. I suspect the change was when I upgraded the Windows XP to the SP2, but I'm= not sure. The worst: we can't to re-convert from the SP2 because we lose a= lot of capabilities related with the multimedia performance. So... I'm tempted to format all the PC and started from zero. But... I can't do t= hat for now because I need an extra HD with 128 GB free space, at least, to= save all my "classified" audio files, Hahahahaha!!! Well, if somebody knows how to fix it (without to format the PC), please le= t me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hi Juan, >=20 > I believe that the ADC in the Sound Blaster Live 5.1 operates at 48Khz. I= 'm > not sure how you ever managed to get 96Khz out of it :-) >=20 > Dan >=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 16:54:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90251 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2010 23:54:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2010 23:54:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2010 23:54:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 23:54:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2010 23:54:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:54:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.219 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=wp6xlNjGX4xTphUp9C2g0ThZqoUH4NOW9w5UW08mpj_Dv9Dt3w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Good for you!!! How I envy you!!! Hahahahaha!!! Well, the hope is the last thing to lose. SO... I'm still dreaming to get a= n AM Stereo station here, and I'm really close to get it. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" wrote: > > Jota, > I own a 2001 Chrysler Town and Country (pretty much like the Dodge Grand = Caravan, except the name and front grill is different). The stereo radio i= n it is their upgrade unit with the better sound and CD player built in. > I originally had NO idea that I posessed an AM Stereo radio until I was l= istening one night to some "skip" from various stations from outside Utah w= here I live. I stopped on a station from California that floored me. Was = I imagining things, or was I hearing music with a rich spacial quality that= can only be possible with true stereo? I checked the distplay on my radio= and I saw the stereo indicator light up! > WAHOO!!!!! It was like Christmas. I couldn't help but giggle and had th= is stupid boyish grin on my face. The sad prolog to this story is that I h= aven't heard AM stereo since that day. > -Martin >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > > > Just my curiosity... Which exactly AM Stereo receiver is? Which car mod= el? ??? > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, rfpropguy@ wrote: > > > > > > John, > > > I HAVE an excelent AM stereo receiver. It is an AM stereo/FM stereo r= adio in my car (it came from the factory that way). There are perhaps mill= ions of these un-advertized AM stereo receivers scattered throughout the US= and the broadcasters don't realize it. > > > Believe me, John, if the AM stations would broadcast in stereo, the p= ublic would take notice (C-QUAM is commercially the most viable). IMHO, EVE= RY AM station should be broadcasting in stereo, and should be dumping IBOC = in the trash where it belongs. > > > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John > > > Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:41:50=20 > > > To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 > > > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo > > >=20 > > > Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: > > >=20 > > > "There are only eight California AM stations still broadcasting in C-= Quam stereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, KZSJ i= n San Martin, KFOX in Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in Vallejo. F= our of those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. Maybe if anyone = actually owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM stations would broadcast in s= tereo. Just a crazy idea of mine."=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 24 17:20:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41375 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 00:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 00:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 00:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 00:20:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 00:20:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 00:20:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.134.91 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An "out of topic" issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=bGDAzmu0qCxmT_ntcTOsZLiytCklUUR9o7iVz16YZWNDk6fHd9qlKYa7x5WhZjGHO9a2DjVg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Jaun Try Win XP Sp3. You Find it in Microsoft's site. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi Daniel!!! >=20 > I'm not sure about the exact ADC frecuency of the SoundBlaster Live 5.1 c= ard, but the Adobe Audition 1.5 recognize it as a 96 KHz capable device at,= even, 32 bits. And I can sure you I did more than one full quality recordi= ng with 96000 samples per second!!! >=20 > I don't know why I can't do it today. >=20 > I suspect the change was when I upgraded the Windows XP to the SP2, but I= 'm not sure. The worst: we can't to re-convert from the SP2 because we lose= a lot of capabilities related with the multimedia performance. So... >=20 > I'm tempted to format all the PC and started from zero. But... I can't do= that for now because I need an extra HD with 128 GB free space, at least, = to save all my "classified" audio files, Hahahahaha!!! >=20 > Well, if somebody knows how to fix it (without to format the PC), please = let me know. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrote= : > > > > Hi Juan, > >=20 > > I believe that the ADC in the Sound Blaster Live 5.1 operates at 48Khz.= I'm > > not sure how you ever managed to get 96Khz out of it :-) > >=20 > > Dan > > > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Oct 24 17:32:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74465 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 00:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 00:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f172.google.com) (209.85.160.172) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 00:32:15 -0000 X-Received: by gya6 with SMTP id 6so1919782gya.31 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:32:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.198.9 with SMTP id v9mr3636399anf.48.1287966734634; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.12] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d15sm7725361ana.0.2010.10.24.17.32.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:32:09 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <31943A4E-0FAC-4574-B00D-D50A8F6A1DED@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} An "out of topic" issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=XKVr6-37lOqvogYs1T0QqT4hEG0Qt24nkdPXN4XiZmH7ArmZj6HCBXEfWrZZiA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 24, 2010, at 8:20 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Jaun Try Win XP Sp3. You Find it in Microsoft's site. Yes, I agree with upgrading to SP3 then get ALL of the updates MS offers fo= r it. As for the Soundblaster, I would download the latest drivers from the Creat= ive web site. I would put them on a USB Flash Drive "Just in case". You can always use System Restore to put your computer in a state it was in= before you lost your sound card. Just go to Start, All programs, Accessori= es, System Tools, System Restore and follow the prompts. If you do need to re-format the whole computer, a Program called Re-Bit and= an external Hard Drive will make it much easier to restore your computer. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Oct 24 19:09:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38702 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 02:09:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 02:09:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ey0-f173.google.com) (209.85.215.173) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 02:09:30 -0000 X-Received: by eyh5 with SMTP id 5so1392973eyh.4 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:09:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.213.28.18 with SMTP id k18mr1362924ebc.5.1287972569185; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:09:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.14.119.195 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:09:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:09:29 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} An "out of topic" issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=zLsTDadlIq0IDf-1iC59vApcnuTUF12nKgId6k03Qr9tytz9 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, maybe your software was upconverting it to 96khz in the past. I'm pretty sure that the Creative Soundblaster Live 5.1 uses the EMU10K1 processor which 'captures external audio-sources at the 48 kHz' ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_Live!). The best sample rate to use with the Live is 48kHz. If you select another sample rate for recording (such as 22kHz), the EMU10k= 1 chip will do the conversion for you (ie. it actually records everything at 48khz and then converts for you!). This situation should be avoided because the on board sample rate conversion is yukk-o with this chip. Instead, sample (record) everything at 48kHz and use good quality sample rate conversion software (maybe in Audition) to re-sample it to the rate that yo= u need. I imagine that your existing recordings are good because you used goo= d quality software to do the up-conversions. I also use this card to digitise my parent's vinyl collection :-) I always use 48khz because it is the native rate of this card. I found this out afte= r a lot of research in the past hehehe. Upgrading to service pack 3 won't help this particular problem but it's goo= d advice from the guys in any case because you want to keep your PC as stable and secure as possible ;-) Hope this helps. Dan On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Jota wrote: > > > Hi Daniel!!! > > I'm not sure about the exact ADC frecuency of the SoundBlaster Live 5.1 > card, but the Adobe Audition 1.5 recognize it as a 96 KHz capable device = at, > even, 32 bits. And I can sure you I did more than one full quality record= ing > with 96000 samples per second!!! > > I don't know why I can't do it today. > > I suspect the change was when I upgraded the Windows XP to the SP2, but I= 'm > not sure. The worst: we can't to re-convert from the SP2 because we lose = a > lot of capabilities related with the multimedia performance. So... > > I'm tempted to format all the PC and started from zero. But... I can't do > that for now because I need an extra HD with 128 GB free space, at least,= to > save all my "classified" audio files, Hahahahaha!!! > > Well, if somebody knows how to fix it (without to format the PC), please > let me know. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > Hi Juan, > > > > I believe that the ADC in the Sound Blaster Live 5.1 operates at 48Khz. > I'm > > not sure how you ever managed to get 96Khz out of it :-) > > > > Dan > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 19:50:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34946 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 02:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 02:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 02:50:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69255 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2010 02:50:37 -0000 Message-ID: <283668.50820.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JjRXMCcVM1mc5p73JCzPOIWb_tTUJCPfHJa_L9OBcQBdKYe TDQ.GglRYKaY9K4IVlH964qPa._FhE1XcL33KbiidbJRnTtUbSOWLPvjOlXh yOjRWWbSVa39PafPLdURx.CNjp8rXOMDX5ZaglDBBE1MQHxMlO2_U4jjKC_j jzkt4AOxHSad0W0W_OLGmLHAD_vkgC1YIe40hBWR1gTj4HKeedHEtRfUlXVi hESvquRUIE5ZBDY4Rrp9ZHpGH17fGVjNdBDS_BB9a0LI6I4UBDIT._t97hEB 3D0XoMdUAmaQ5RgDgmPy8cB7aXJiBM8iicaotKavsIfaJpGRslvPrUWa6iqe vdnhjH54EGPzU1uVPA5r41bIpuqplhLD3ZnbwksIkBsSuNDAU X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:50:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:50:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <945321554-1287794149-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-70859651-@bda2310.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=oC7xMFEIVpOaenW1v-Y4TwbfY-CzRCGndix7_eXLbRH7UQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You are being very kind to IBOC...in the trash? I have this recurring fant= asy of dumping all the IBOC exciters in a small wooden shed with a foul sme= lling seat-lined hole in it, and a half-moon on the door. (I believe non-hi= llbillies call it a "detached toilet") They would then be in the company of= OTHER pieces of SH-(pronoun)! Does it show? The level at which I am disgusted by IBOC? for me, on the MW band, it's "analog forever, digital never!" There, I feel better now... G --- On Fri, 10/22/10, rfpropguy@yahoo.com wrote: > From: rfpropguy@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 8:35 PM > John, > I HAVE an excelent AM stereo receiver. It is an AM > stereo/FM stereo radio in my car (it came from the factory > that way).=A0 There are perhaps millions of these > un-advertized AM stereo receivers scattered throughout the > US=A0 and the broadcasters don't realize it. > Believe me, John, if the AM stations would broadcast in > stereo, the public would take notice (C-QUAM is commercially > the most viable). IMHO, EVERY AM station should be > broadcasting in stereo, and should be dumping IBOC in the > trash where it belongs. > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: John > Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:41:50=20 > To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo >=20 > Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: >=20 > "There are only eight California AM stations still > broadcasting in C-Quam stereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in > Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, KZSJ in San Martin, KFOX in > Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in Vallejo. Four of > those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. Maybe if > anyone actually owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM > stations would broadcast in stereo. Just a crazy idea of > mine."=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 24 22:05:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61477 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 05:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 05:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 05:05:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 05:05:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 05:05:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 05:05:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <283668.50820.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.134.91 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=AWYp6gjqvCTjxanXV3sQ5_HFO0lJ3ff3B-B7gVUQd4HzYMdUesqo9xXfsIxVXNmZ-bl5WfVq X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi George I also agree about iCRAP. It sucks !!!! It dose not belong on M= V AM at all. To much noise for the iCRAPY sound!!! AM STEREO for ever!!!! I= don't give a damd wich one ether. They could have fixed the short comeings= .Its analog not iCRAP. I can hear noise on four iCRAP stations in my area= . KHTK AM iCRAP 1140 Sacragetto Ca/ KCBC AM iCRAP 770 Riverback Ca/KFBK AM = iCRAP 1530 Sacragetto Ca and " All noise 740"KCBS AM iCRAP S.F Ca. Ok end o= f rant. Jim Smith Loomis Ca=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > You are being very kind to IBOC...in the trash? I have this recurring fa= ntasy of dumping all the IBOC exciters in a small wooden shed with a foul s= melling seat-lined hole in it, and a half-moon on the door. (I believe non-= hillbillies call it a "detached toilet") They would then be in the company = of OTHER pieces of SH-(pronoun)! > Does it show? The level at which I am disgusted by IBOC? > for me, on the MW band, it's "analog forever, digital never!" > There, I feel better now... > G >=20 > --- On Fri, 10/22/10, rfpropguy@... wrote: >=20 > > From: rfpropguy@... > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 8:35 PM > > John, > > I HAVE an excelent AM stereo receiver. It is an AM > > stereo/FM stereo radio in my car (it came from the factory > > that way).=A0 There are perhaps millions of these > > un-advertized AM stereo receivers scattered throughout the > > US=A0 and the broadcasters don't realize it. > > Believe me, John, if the AM stations would broadcast in > > stereo, the public would take notice (C-QUAM is commercially > > the most viable). IMHO, EVERY AM station should be > > broadcasting in stereo, and should be dumping IBOC in the > > trash where it belongs. > > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John > > Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:41:50=20 > > To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 > > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo > >=20 > > Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: > >=20 > > "There are only eight California AM stations still > > broadcasting in C-Quam stereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in > > Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, KZSJ in San Martin, KFOX in > > Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in Vallejo. Four of > > those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. Maybe if > > anyone actually owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM > > stations would broadcast in stereo. Just a crazy idea of > > mine."=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > > Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > >=20 > >=20 > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 24 22:18:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20107 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 05:17:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 05:17:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 05:17:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 05:17:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 05:17:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 05:17:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.134.91 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=iBJmFTHixGLWW8CPErqNp2GX95pEOVICHdekEyLDPiW45BR3aDpZgLPZy_brd7hanvLnws1F X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I forgot one iCRAP station . KIID AM iCRAP 1470 Sacragetto Ca. Jim = S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi George I also agree about iCRAP. It sucks !!!! It dose not belong on= MV AM at all. To much noise for the iCRAPY sound!!! AM STEREO for ever!!!!= I don't give a damd wich one ether. They could have fixed the short comein= gs.Its analog not iCRAP. I can hear noise on four iCRAP stations in my ar= ea. KHTK AM iCRAP 1140 Sacragetto Ca/ KCBC AM iCRAP 770 Riverback Ca/KFBK A= M iCRAP 1530 Sacragetto Ca and " All noise 740"KCBS AM iCRAP S.F Ca. Ok end= of rant. Jim Smith Loomis Ca=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > > > You are being very kind to IBOC...in the trash? I have this recurring = fantasy of dumping all the IBOC exciters in a small wooden shed with a foul= smelling seat-lined hole in it, and a half-moon on the door. (I believe no= n-hillbillies call it a "detached toilet") They would then be in the compan= y of OTHER pieces of SH-(pronoun)! > > Does it show? The level at which I am disgusted by IBOC? > > for me, on the MW band, it's "analog forever, digital never!" > > There, I feel better now... > > G > >=20 > > --- On Fri, 10/22/10, rfpropguy@ wrote: > >=20 > > > From: rfpropguy@ > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 8:35 PM > > > John, > > > I HAVE an excelent AM stereo receiver. It is an AM > > > stereo/FM stereo radio in my car (it came from the factory > > > that way).=A0 There are perhaps millions of these > > > un-advertized AM stereo receivers scattered throughout the > > > US=A0 and the broadcasters don't realize it. > > > Believe me, John, if the AM stations would broadcast in > > > stereo, the public would take notice (C-QUAM is commercially > > > the most viable). IMHO, EVERY AM station should be > > > broadcasting in stereo, and should be dumping IBOC in the > > > trash where it belongs. > > > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John > > > Sender: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:41:50=20 > > > To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 > > > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo > > >=20 > > > Here's what I got off an XM list of all places: > > >=20 > > > "There are only eight California AM stations still > > > broadcasting in C-Quam stereo: KRML in Carmel, KHPY in > > > Moreno Valley, KNRO in Redding, KZSJ in San Martin, KFOX in > > > Torrance, KJUG in Tulare, and KDIA/KDYA in Vallejo. Four of > > > those stations are way up in the 1600s on the dial. Maybe if > > > anyone actually owned an AM stereo receiver, more AM > > > stations would broadcast in stereo. Just a crazy idea of > > > mine."=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ------------------------------------ > > >=20 > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > > > Groups Links > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 06:12:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74438 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 13:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 13:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 13:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 13:12:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 13:12:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:12:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An "out of topic" issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Pz2BNruFywgQZSmA_pu7JePm61GT7eYHAnqF44ZdLpS6TWtyPn-DiVI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan, I suggest going to the Creative Labs website and seeing if they have a driv= er you have to install to allow your card to operate on MS XP SP2 / SP3. = Sometimes they simply won't work with the upgrades. Had that problem with = a Dell computer at work. Audio card had no support for Vista or 7. In the case of an HP computer I had, I had to actually install some special= hardware driver updates BEFORE I did the MS XP SP2 upgrade as some of the = onboard hardware required it - strange but true! Good luck. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hi Juan, >=20 > maybe your software was upconverting it to 96khz in the past. I'm pretty > sure that the Creative Soundblaster Live 5.1 uses the EMU10K1 processor > which 'captures external audio-sources at the 48 kHz' ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_Live!). The best sample rate t= o > use with the Live is 48kHz. >=20 > If you select another sample rate for recording (such as 22kHz), the EMU1= 0k1 > chip will do the conversion for you (ie. it actually records everything a= t > 48khz and then converts for you!). This situation should be avoided becau= se > the on board sample rate conversion is yukk-o with this chip. Instead, > sample (record) everything at 48kHz and use good quality sample rate > conversion software (maybe in Audition) to re-sample it to the rate that = you > need. I imagine that your existing recordings are good because you used g= ood > quality software to do the up-conversions. >=20 > I also use this card to digitise my parent's vinyl collection :-) I alway= s > use 48khz because it is the native rate of this card. I found this out af= ter > a lot of research in the past hehehe. >=20 > Upgrading to service pack 3 won't help this particular problem but it's g= ood > advice from the guys in any case because you want to keep your PC as stab= le > and secure as possible ;-) >=20 > Hope this helps. >=20 > Dan >=20 > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Jota wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Hi Daniel!!! > > > > I'm not sure about the exact ADC frecuency of the SoundBlaster Live 5.1 > > card, but the Adobe Audition 1.5 recognize it as a 96 KHz capable devic= e at, > > even, 32 bits. And I can sure you I did more than one full quality reco= rding > > with 96000 samples per second!!! > > > > I don't know why I can't do it today. > > > > I suspect the change was when I upgraded the Windows XP to the SP2, but= I'm > > not sure. The worst: we can't to re-convert from the SP2 because we los= e a > > lot of capabilities related with the multimedia performance. So... > > > > I'm tempted to format all the PC and started from zero. But... I can't = do > > that for now because I need an extra HD with 128 GB free space, at leas= t, to > > save all my "classified" audio files, Hahahahaha!!! > > > > Well, if somebody knows how to fix it (without to format the PC), pleas= e > > let me know. > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > Hi Juan, > > > > > > I believe that the ADC in the Sound Blaster Live 5.1 operates at 48Kh= z. > > I'm > > > not sure how you ever managed to get 96Khz out of it :-) > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 06:16:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2005 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 13:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 13:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 13:16:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 13:16:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 13:16:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:16:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <283668.50820.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=8kMbn0BjCxN-TQusbQbcn_UXIaPT6fcdiNdmfSdNJl8i65IIufYPtbU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I want to write a program an download it to every AM IBOC exciter in the US= A that turns their IBOC generator into a CQUAM exciter! I do believe that = this could be done since part of the IBOC is phase modulated QUAM on the m= ain carrier! Can somebody get me an IBOC box, and we can try our own program to generate= the L-R phase modulated CQUAM! Wouldn't that be sweet? I would keep only= the portion of the IBOC that generates the text with station ID! 73's John=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > I have this recurring fantasy of dumping all the IBOC exciters in a small= wooden shed with a foul smelling seat-lined hole in it, and a half-moon on= the door.=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 25 06:57:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24862 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 13:57:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 13:57:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f54.google.com) (209.85.161.54) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 13:57:36 -0000 X-Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so2942923fxm.13 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.239.151.140 with SMTP id r12mr1488504hbb.38.1288015055115; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 06:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j13sm1613095vcr.41.2010.10.25.06.57.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 Oct 2010 06:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:57:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.54 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=PQPxcIZjwluN3HaU0dQRJsmIk3-EmzR5O8SoGbReag8ZOB0vRZC8ITxkEIEaQg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:16 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > I would keep only the portion of the IBOC that generates the text with st= ation ID! That is not possible with the C-QUAM AM Stereo system. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 15:30:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50030 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 22:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 22:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 22:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 22:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 22:30:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:30:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.122 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An "out of topic" issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=YekSxeVJFdnfYPw2M0ly636J-19ilZmTUajX_M03_CH7NuG1aA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thank you so much for your time and advices, boys!!! I'll test to upgrade to SP3 and I'll try to get a new driver to my card. BTW, the main reason I use this specific (and cheap) card, isn't an audio q= uality issue only. It is because there are a lot of audio cards, with very = good audio performance (better than this card), BUT... without the musical = (MIDI) capabilities (and you have to remember I'm a music teacher, first of= all). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Juan, > I suggest going to the Creative Labs website and seeing if they have a dr= iver you have to install to allow your card to operate on MS XP SP2 / SP3.= Sometimes they simply won't work with the upgrades. Had that problem wit= h a Dell computer at work. Audio card had no support for Vista or 7. >=20 > In the case of an HP computer I had, I had to actually install some speci= al hardware driver updates BEFORE I did the MS XP SP2 upgrade as some of th= e onboard hardware required it - strange but true! >=20 > Good luck. > John >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrote= : > > > > Hi Juan, > >=20 > > maybe your software was upconverting it to 96khz in the past. I'm prett= y > > sure that the Creative Soundblaster Live 5.1 uses the EMU10K1 processor > > which 'captures external audio-sources at the 48 kHz' ( > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_Live!). The best sample rate= to > > use with the Live is 48kHz. > >=20 > > If you select another sample rate for recording (such as 22kHz), the EM= U10k1 > > chip will do the conversion for you (ie. it actually records everything= at > > 48khz and then converts for you!). This situation should be avoided bec= ause > > the on board sample rate conversion is yukk-o with this chip. Instead, > > sample (record) everything at 48kHz and use good quality sample rate > > conversion software (maybe in Audition) to re-sample it to the rate tha= t you > > need. I imagine that your existing recordings are good because you used= good > > quality software to do the up-conversions. > >=20 > > I also use this card to digitise my parent's vinyl collection :-) I alw= ays > > use 48khz because it is the native rate of this card. I found this out = after > > a lot of research in the past hehehe. > >=20 > > Upgrading to service pack 3 won't help this particular problem but it's= good > > advice from the guys in any case because you want to keep your PC as st= able > > and secure as possible ;-) > >=20 > > Hope this helps. > >=20 > > Dan > >=20 > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Jota wrote: > >=20 > > > > > > > > > Hi Daniel!!! > > > > > > I'm not sure about the exact ADC frecuency of the SoundBlaster Live 5= .1 > > > card, but the Adobe Audition 1.5 recognize it as a 96 KHz capable dev= ice at, > > > even, 32 bits. And I can sure you I did more than one full quality re= cording > > > with 96000 samples per second!!! > > > > > > I don't know why I can't do it today. > > > > > > I suspect the change was when I upgraded the Windows XP to the SP2, b= ut I'm > > > not sure. The worst: we can't to re-convert from the SP2 because we l= ose a > > > lot of capabilities related with the multimedia performance. So... > > > > > > I'm tempted to format all the PC and started from zero. But... I can'= t do > > > that for now because I need an extra HD with 128 GB free space, at le= ast, to > > > save all my "classified" audio files, Hahahahaha!!! > > > > > > Well, if somebody knows how to fix it (without to format the PC), ple= ase > > > let me know. > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > > > > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Juan, > > > > > > > > I believe that the ADC in the Sound Blaster Live 5.1 operates at 48= Khz. > > > I'm > > > > not sure how you ever managed to get 96Khz out of it :-) > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > >=20=20 > > > > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 15:38:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97902 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 22:38:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 22:38:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 22:38:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 22:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 22:38:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:38:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.122 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=aynrbbLkZLdxgKEzz7pWOgpGE1d2QKA3CpUKYZHvrR_3ju68tQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Why not? ??? C-QUAM use 25 Hz pilot tone, right? Nobody talked something about to forbid= to modulate it with some extra information (not useful to C-QUAM decoder b= ut useful with some kind of text reader). Basically, the only one reason to use that pilot tone is ONLY to recognize = if the station is or not C-QUAM. The pilot itself doesn't have any kind of = part on the decoding processing. So, we could modulate it (AM or PM) and th= e main C-QUAM decoding process shouldn't be altered at all. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:16 AM, toledohamradio wrote: >=20 > > I would keep only the portion of the IBOC that generates the text with = station ID! >=20 > That is not possible with the C-QUAM AM Stereo system. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 15:44:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45575 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2010 22:43:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2010 22:43:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2010 22:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 22:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 22:43:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:43:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.122 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=RP6jHjAlhFeSpi0J4iYh6wDXWiPeiMgkMlQ7wiivYAKK4Fc8uQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Do you think it would be easy? ??? There are some "differences" between the complex multicarrier phase modulat= ion of IBOC and the "simple" QUAM-Phase modulation. So... I can't figure ou= t how to replace the IBOC part and to get C-QUAM. Of course, if you get it... you should win the Nobel Prize!!! But not because the convertion at all. You should win the prize because you= 'd eliminate IBOC, Hahahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > I want to write a program an download it to every AM IBOC exciter in the = USA that turns their IBOC generator into a CQUAM exciter! I do believe tha= t this could be done since part of the IBOC is phase modulated QUAM on the= main carrier! >=20 > Can somebody get me an IBOC box, and we can try our own program to genera= te the L-R phase modulated CQUAM! Wouldn't that be sweet? I would keep on= ly the portion of the IBOC that generates the text with station ID! >=20 > 73's > John=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > > > I have this recurring fantasy of dumping all the IBOC exciters in a sma= ll wooden shed with a foul smelling seat-lined hole in it, and a half-moon = on the door. > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Oct 25 20:21:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69933 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2010 03:21:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2010 03:21:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f50.google.com) (209.85.215.50) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2010 03:21:14 -0000 X-Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so2036764ewy.23 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:21:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.48.2 with SMTP id u2mr5696228eeb.9.1288063273845; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:21:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.14.119.195 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:21:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:21:13 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} An "out of topic" issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=SV6rLLv1Ba4uf3jBuYXhi2WfIWX7kC92knPzUZbyEjaRTL6Z X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This isn't a bad card for the price. Most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a more expensive card as long as you don't let the card do the resampling (ie. record everything at 48kHz and resample later). MIDI and soundfonts are cool too. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Jota wrote: > > > Thank you so much for your time and advices, boys!!! > > I'll test to upgrade to SP3 and I'll try to get a new driver to my card. > > BTW, the main reason I use this specific (and cheap) card, isn't an audio > quality issue only. It is because there are a lot of audio cards, with ve= ry > good audio performance (better than this card), BUT... without the musica= l > (MIDI) capabilities (and you have to remember I'm a music teacher, first = of > all). > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "toledohamradio" wrote: > > > > Juan, > > I suggest going to the Creative Labs website and seeing if they have a > driver you have to install to allow your card to operate on MS XP SP2 / S= P3. > Sometimes they simply won't work with the upgrades. Had that problem with= a > Dell computer at work. Audio card had no support for Vista or 7. > > > > In the case of an HP computer I had, I had to actually install some > special hardware driver updates BEFORE I did the MS XP SP2 upgrade as som= e > of the onboard hardware required it - strange but true! > > > > Good luck. > > John > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > Hi Juan, > > > > > > maybe your software was upconverting it to 96khz in the past. I'm > pretty > > > sure that the Creative Soundblaster Live 5.1 uses the EMU10K1 process= or > > > which 'captures external audio-sources at the 48 kHz' ( > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_Live!). The best sample > rate to > > > use with the Live is 48kHz. > > > > > > If you select another sample rate for recording (such as 22kHz), the > EMU10k1 > > > chip will do the conversion for you (ie. it actually records everythi= ng > at > > > 48khz and then converts for you!). This situation should be avoided > because > > > the on board sample rate conversion is yukk-o with this chip. Instead= , > > > sample (record) everything at 48kHz and use good quality sample rate > > > conversion software (maybe in Audition) to re-sample it to the rate > that you > > > need. I imagine that your existing recordings are good because you us= ed > good > > > quality software to do the up-conversions. > > > > > > I also use this card to digitise my parent's vinyl collection :-) I > always > > > use 48khz because it is the native rate of this card. I found this ou= t > after > > > a lot of research in the past hehehe. > > > > > > Upgrading to service pack 3 won't help this particular problem but it= 's > good > > > advice from the guys in any case because you want to keep your PC as > stable > > > and secure as possible ;-) > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Jota wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Daniel!!! > > > > > > > > I'm not sure about the exact ADC frecuency of the SoundBlaster Live > 5.1 > > > > card, but the Adobe Audition 1.5 recognize it as a 96 KHz capable > device at, > > > > even, 32 bits. And I can sure you I did more than one full quality > recording > > > > with 96000 samples per second!!! > > > > > > > > I don't know why I can't do it today. > > > > > > > > I suspect the change was when I upgraded the Windows XP to the SP2, > but I'm > > > > not sure. The worst: we can't to re-convert from the SP2 because we > lose a > > > > lot of capabilities related with the multimedia performance. So... > > > > > > > > I'm tempted to format all the PC and started from zero. But... I > can't do > > > > that for now because I need an extra HD with 128 GB free space, at > least, to > > > > save all my "classified" audio files, Hahahahaha!!! > > > > > > > > Well, if somebody knows how to fix it (without to format the PC), > please > > > > let me know. > > > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > > > > > > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Juan, > > > > > > > > > > I believe that the ADC in the Sound Blaster Live 5.1 operates at > 48Khz. > > > > I'm > > > > > not sure how you ever managed to get 96Khz out of it :-) > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 28 17:45:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49378 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2010 00:45:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2010 00:45:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web120508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.85.235) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2010 00:45:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72810 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2010 00:45:11 -0000 Message-ID: <750482.72141.qm@web120508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cCkvHEgVM1nYIkxx9pk7vBLYUcXJDavaV0JKHLaUiAyVYjl cq0toe.YIDCljhqAq0SDN_hDGWTxDUUOkVVKrhV88h4099NSe9tkLChmey72 g57hNInBY6Y9HvnfwqfWT42o6a0PfOtzbgK7sRKeTFffrKvdUjnm9hSslJ7X .G5yoDPzDO5PbxEab0kobFduxfwSAWt6dLOwMND2m1ftA_66gGFYHTfMxbq4 yi4Iz6GUAJzZ23IUqMyZH7dQcqZjUgG9dBCCeJdE6i3IApFEhCH8OS1OMNMj PgMmLqC076qnVj94tF3B6k8tQP3k- X-Received: from [72.74.207.144] by web120508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:45:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:45:09 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.85.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WQUN/1220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=MdSVz5Dm9J9INRcKad-hkmUWeGZ7x7pMtxXmIQ7sI9WgMvVkiUXp X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please add WQUN/1220-Hamden, Ct. as being stereo.=A0 They're talking about = it being stereo on the Connecticut Board on www.radio-info.com =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Fri Oct 29 23:07:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58139 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 06:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2010 06:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 06:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 06:06:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 06:06:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:06:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.102 From: "nicholas" Subject: Panasonic VP-8253P X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=QMbktezDU5rbzah0wG2QVchXyWhciVWUOEuck5lZC4DhFcgtcw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 Another one of these showed up on eBay and it looks like an attractive and = cheaper alternative to importing a transmitter from Greece given the Euro i= s skyrocketing in value compared to the US dollar and shipment to P.O boxes= is not possible. I have been wanting to run my own part 15 legal AM stereo= station since there is a severe drought in my area plus think it would be = useful to have a signal generator for aligning AM receivers and testing dow= nmixers for proper operation. From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Fri Oct 29 23:50:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10163 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 06:50:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2010 06:50:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.143) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 06:50:32 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20101030065029.IRVZ12468.nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:50:29 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20101030065029.STAU13584.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:50:29 +0000 To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:50:28 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcdvY1moonhCpX7KRdqXmYzUKdGs0YgRLddg X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150205.4CCBC035.010C,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: ox4zE93+TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU6nyN7M+ksr21z5cNhyPO2EqYaX0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.143 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: The Oz Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Digital radio DAB+ has become so popular in Australia that Sony has belatedly decided to embrace it. Other manufacturers Sanyo and Yamaha have joined in as well. There is such a wide range of good DAB+ radios available. It's all so different than the (almost secret) introduction of AM stereo in 1985. And all stations involved (including the publicly owned ABC local stations) are continuing to regularly promote it on an hourly basis. On my favourite station Magic 1278 their announcers are also pushing the new great stereo sound in digital and its ratings are climbing. The old AM stations have much more to gain than the FM stations and all of a sudden Magic has become Melbourne's 4th top station. The old commercial FM stations (all clones of each other) are withering on the vine. Three of Melbourne's top four stations are AM stations. I couldn't resist buying Sony's mini hi-fi system for the top of the fridge. It sounds excellent! http://www.sony.com.au/product/cmt-fx350i It's meant that the first (and probably only) AM stereo boombox in Oz (a Sony product converted to AM stereo with the wonderful help of Chris Cuff in 2000) has been donated to the local croquet club. I haven't heard AM stereo out of it for the last three years. I think it's time for North America to embrace DAB+. IBOC has been a disaster ... and unfortunately C-quam AM stereo has never been universally accepted ... good as it is. Maybe it's time to move on. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 30 07:06:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15142 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 14:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2010 14:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 14:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20101030090651100603900011.0) with SMTP id <20101030090651100603900011> for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:06:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4CCC264E.9040004@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:06:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:06:51 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Mkaal33Tv4Df_6pSfRs7gXNDnG84PEb53D67Plxuza3KAsakfg36 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Save your money, dear friend. You're more likely to get struck by lightning than to win the lotto. Scott Todd On 10/24/2010 1:47 PM, jim smith wrote: > > Hi Scott I wish i could!!!!!!!! I keep playing the Lotto. Jim Smith > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , Scott Todd wrote: > > > > I've said it before and it's worth saying again- if we want to save AM > > stereo it's up to us. --- Ain't a sin to be rich if you're doing good with it. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 30 07:22:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47339 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 14:22:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2010 14:22:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.49) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 14:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 14:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.236] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 14:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 14:21:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 3652.11723.bm@omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81980 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 14:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@71.155.149.70 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 07:21:48 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: 0.OwVzoVM1kwrNC.HAXrTjhAb9kQVmlu0OxyB7Z86MmP6zb UhsrV8uS_rd6r7UZkWYp1_H_e67PqAGtLiEvqFxv2ys4KU6XZtRQPVmY5D58 xY2WdutXccoO3JkhhJuvhfuQ7j3XwMtc4p5wKcBdonGDo01zVuTPwG5.yWA_ igmGGz6kNdrE4yD0Ts_gM5pZk.nYIdbYzTZ6xuNit19kOfMsDo70ietf37J1 e1sHla5Ba9b67XbD61DdMjrth7YqdUeE53oPRl3VztDawSLL3p2uIDAESIVV EQeh1CLC10LAk1qu2PF6EtW9ILaWi8GxoCq2r8ODL X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9D2F3F3703FB495D85C61C07DD754A46@jim3slp85ju21o> To: References: <4CCC264E.9040004@usfamily.net> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 07:19:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.49 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=UpFdsrmZGZFlTgffOmTrgwDa47XwCsvUqcjhl6K4mVkidTAbuq2nwbmzkXovGD3-CR2moYEs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scott I don't go nuts about it. I spend a buck here and a buck there on it. I am not spending $20 or $30 bucks a shot. I am to damd pore for that. Jim s ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:06 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Golden State AM Stereo Save your money, dear friend. You're more likely to get struck by lightning than to win the lotto. Scott Todd On 10/24/2010 1:47 PM, jim smith wrote: > > Hi Scott I wish i could!!!!!!!! I keep playing the Lotto. Jim Smith > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , Scott Todd wrote: > > > > I've said it before and it's worth saying again- if we want to save AM > > stereo it's up to us. --- Ain't a sin to be rich if you're doing good with it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 30 07:31:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76113 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 14:31:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2010 14:31:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.76) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 14:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 14:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.174] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 14:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 14:30:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 75916.80098.bm@omp1030.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 46736 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 14:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@71.155.149.70 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 07:30:46 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: RsCjyowVM1ltmJNktKKVGlZwLImI6zv.IgqpoHyZoIXqLDn TDLg5TBAiVURbnVg2qV4guY4gLuQaZyee2kv6yCV8xmDsowODVOcVFpvf5oC I_2frr8IN2jir0FEM9qahLfW1UkrDOgz7FXS_pz2E9MG5jbtvysb0DMlfVDK 4lEv5fSuHy4zX355lLCdYB92Q1cClJpSGlkMj6pldeqYbssgkTYM3dKThipo 0PxPlI6M6ivdtq9PJGNSUU8nt25YiFKBBOdLmkXWZkzwSs5aAhyJDTo_m X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 07:28:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.76 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Oz Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ptJ65Wa1T4P4SGzPA8KvPoBPiL-Qx_x2Pk74zHP6SzrYN9eRSJqjqg9MUIcMxbnsn1ocDPr4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ian I dout that will exer happen here in the states because the bands that are used for DAB in AUS. all ready used for air police fire and so on. Jim S ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} The Oz Report Digital radio DAB+ has become so popular in Australia that Sony has belatedly decided to embrace it. Other manufacturers Sanyo and Yamaha have joined in as well. There is such a wide range of good DAB+ radios available. It's all so different than the (almost secret) introduction of AM stereo in 1985. And all stations involved (including the publicly owned ABC local stations) are continuing to regularly promote it on an hourly basis. On my favourite station Magic 1278 their announcers are also pushing the new great stereo sound in digital and its ratings are climbing. The old AM stations have much more to gain than the FM stations and all of a sudden Magic has become Melbourne's 4th top station. The old commercial FM stations (all clones of each other) are withering on the vine. Three of Melbourne's top four stations are AM stations. I couldn't resist buying Sony's mini hi-fi system for the top of the fridge. It sounds excellent! http://www.sony.com.au/product/cmt-fx350i It's meant that the first (and probably only) AM stereo boombox in Oz (a Sony product converted to AM stereo with the wonderful help of Chris Cuff in 2000) has been donated to the local croquet club. I haven't heard AM stereo out of it for the last three years. I think it's time for North America to embrace DAB+. IBOC has been a disaster ... and unfortunately C-quam AM stereo has never been universally accepted ... good as it is. Maybe it's time to move on. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Oct 30 07:53:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9989 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 14:53:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2010 14:53:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.143) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 14:53:18 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP147 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Oct 2010 07:53:17 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.59.231]) by BLU0-SMTP147.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Oct 2010 07:53:16 -0700 To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:53:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2010 14:53:17.0061 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F84FB50:01CB7842] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.143 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic VP-8253P X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=RsGXY_uNvWenkRrYXiHTn4bekZ4jit3xEmNjwQqvXR14 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i picked on up for $150.00 a couple years ago :) they are nice. From bratina501@msn.com Sat Oct 30 15:54:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64899 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 22:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2010 22:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 22:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 22:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 22:54:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:54:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.102 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic VP-8253P X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=lKmhc4dy1n5L1FngQFMIqgaAnfHAZu1hdyuO_RJ2bz_t-VAnUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wr= ote: > > i picked on up for $150.00 a couple years ago :) they are nice. > Thought so I heard a number of people like those so I guess I will pick one= up when I find one that is a bit more reasonably priced. Might be fun to t= est Kahn ISB on normal SSB receivers as well to see how well it is received= using that method. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Oct 30 15:58:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39253 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 22:58:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2010 22:58:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.143) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 22:58:19 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP154 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:58:18 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.59.231]) by BLU0-SMTP154.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:58:17 -0700 To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:58:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2010 22:58:17.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0D5D480:01CB7885] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic VP-8253P X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=qOKe_hHjh1NT-95CyegQzv6KBBkB5nKMbqifeG50mnWV X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd usually need a recapping though as they are old units From bratina501@msn.com Sat Oct 30 16:00:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69642 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 23:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2010 23:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 23:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 23:00:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 23:00:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2010 23:00:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 23:00:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.102 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic VP-8253P X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=LcyXXPrKxGyKR-Kl326gxAdBqbhHcZxWiLSGxDgH6ckV24mJmg X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wr= ote: > > usually need a recapping though as they are old units > That should be no problem I can get good capacitors cheap assuming its goin= g to mostly be standard through hole electrolytics. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Oct 30 16:03:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77984 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 23:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2010 23:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.174) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 23:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP174 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:03:47 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.59.231]) by BLU0-SMTP174.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:03:46 -0700 To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:03:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2010 23:03:46.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[B51341C0:01CB7886] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.174 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic VP-8253P X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=BbjZGZJwdhM5-2ijb-JZEHYWKLi6ZXel9cjYY4Jbd0Dk X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Oct 30 16:04:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79093 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 23:04:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2010 23:04:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s32.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.171) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 23:04:06 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP204 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s32.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:04:05 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.59.231]) by BLU0-SMTP204.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:04:04 -0700 To: References: Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:03:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2010 23:04:04.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF98BD00:01CB7886] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic VP-8253P X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=aDi7KW5rucqiSTNlFNv9MVwYAY-Mx93vwMyKJSTK-uSH X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd that is what they are. From videoamstereo@yahoo.com Sat Oct 30 17:32:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: videoamstereo@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12845 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2010 00:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2010 00:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.179.125) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2010 00:32:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30076 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2010 00:32:51 -0000 Message-ID: <672239.29907.qm@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3PZGMwQVM1lQA9ypC80c3qTs9XrdDSFVZfLpCpxypuEkF1l mVIbbOSgUu.CBfJBE6KF8QNdJLHi13_9h.WWnOp22rtS6zpGXnBOlIoyRIo9 UnDdJK6n8_6dxkjP_l2PKM91Rj4rXpsPTFy9ynHycFhOlpcztsV3oCdaSpUf 8W4H0lVQPan7ZlTOf47a6ADtK2j4GDe_B4lqp61qMKlDJf.tnHpHJiqildiA O_HW4a5CcakBPnWevFh2AUHG_5wx7Fi7YeIHQHleTruWnqf3wK_pQunYNGyv 4_Ed.c0DpQkEU1DaWHur0RhuF_0U79kxGAQyB9Nvq26BqvdgOI5rogObz.xK WEiJwl8nbcSXrJNkyA6aTG7XVBqw8ia1N4huVn9r3tRs8.dXm X-Received: from [216.80.93.178] by web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:32:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:32:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: videoamstereo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: videoamstereo Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Oz Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=240151085; y=HihdDs5Xaodre33BwaT709wEkr_56HC4tGNOO0wnQBFqpM9Mip7oDA X-Yahoo-Profile: videoamstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, i am at work right now,but when i get a chance i would like to=C2=A0sho= w my new design for video FM/fm2 ,video fm2 will be in AM STEREO (ISB-SC) p= lease look for the block diagrAM and flow chart coming soon,thx --- On Sat, 10/30/10, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Oz Report To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: "jim smith" Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 9:28 AM =C2=A0=20 Hi Ian I dout that will exer happen here in the states because the bands th= at are used for DAB in AUS. all ready used for air police fire and so on. J= im S ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian Davidson=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} The Oz Report Digital radio DAB+ has become so popular in Australia that Sony has belatedly decided to embrace it. Other manufacturers Sanyo and Yamaha have joined in as well. There is such a wide range of good DAB+ radios available. It's all so different than the (almost secret) introduction of AM stereo in 1985. And all stations involved (including the publicly owned ABC local stations) are continuing to regularly promote it on an hourly basis. On my favourite station Magic 1278 their announcers are also pushing the new grea= t stereo sound in digital and its ratings are climbing. The old AM stations have much more to gain than the FM stations and all of a sudden Magic has become Melbourne's 4th top station. The old commercial FM stations (all clones of each other) are withering on the vine. Three of Melbourne's top four stations are AM stations. I couldn't resist buying Sony's mini hi-fi system for the top of the fridge= . It sounds excellent! http://www.sony.com.au/product/cmt-fx350i It's meant that the first (and probably only) AM stereo boombox in Oz (a Sony product converted to AM stereo with the wonderful help of Chris Cuff i= n 2000) has been donated to the local croquet club. I haven't heard AM stereo out of it for the last three years.=20 I think it's time for North America to embrace DAB+. IBOC has been a disaster ... and unfortunately C-quam AM stereo has never been universally accepted ... good as it is. Maybe it's time to move on. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 31 22:13:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87818 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2010 05:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2010 05:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2010 05:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2010 05:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2010 05:13:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 05:13:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic VP-8253P X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Z8Bfh60Cyg1Uo_6jbJ1rHd_EKh9bEm5CjyR-NwGcck_m8U-oG6eQAB4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wish Drew Carey was sellling one, so that the "Price is Right". Too rich f= or my blood. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 03 11:42:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51675 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2010 18:42:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2010 18:42:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2010 18:42:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2010 18:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2010 18:42:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:42:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.172 From: "Jota" Subject: An out of topic issue: Multichannel Audio Card X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_YsQGdD3-4P8yWuW_UzvfAeo_2E2M8MQWVDYUCrF1zBXLK-6Tg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody knows some "cheap" Multichannel Input PC Audio card. I mean: more than 2 analog audio input channels. It is intended to perform a "direct from the stage" 5.1 recording. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 03 18:05:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84204 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2010 00:54:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2010 00:54:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.86) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2010 00:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2010 00:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.53] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2010 00:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2010 00:54:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 767554.15648.bm@omp1053.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10304 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2010 00:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.8.230.229 with login) by smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Nov 2010 17:54:42 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: Mdsc4JAVM1l8CbffLAi1jH6EwN3n5VV9R0mCQghbkU.vaDJ w.xBj8m0TTkMUDbJyxz5c6Yy_AlIkDstj9ts9mUrdjiFZJfN9tw9nISRZ3.D 9Hj70B7Tr_xtaPWUpudVaaQxcZW4iYdBXyJxJilPwMNI.QaAguGBfoF.chdW Q6wA5bmFYi2aKu0.4aZCL5josy08jA3cCNG0rA.M371kMB_fvweYrcKZjVTk rPoAG X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 16:54:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: KIID AM HD is off!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=1sF1LPNwB8b3pNKTciZTIx_wXeZPvs5lgx0X1qFsaOBvotWC8eyMkwXPANucCltteupUF5V3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI I am glad to report that as of late KIID AM 1470 Sacramento Ca HD has been off for about a week now. One down and two more to go. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Thu Nov 04 23:32:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56233 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2010 06:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2010 06:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2010 06:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2010 06:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2010 06:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2010 06:32:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 06:32:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.102 From: "nicholas" Subject: 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=golA4-sDTTi9cIlGvI-qAawy4V_GbKuenWbP_BZLa7O0n45F9w X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 This was exciting news for me living in an area where music seems to be dro= pping off the AM dial. Here is a potential station to resume stereo operati= on might be a pipe dream but potentially a god send if they do! From keith1226@yahoo.com Fri Nov 05 12:09:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88571 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2010 19:09:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2010 19:09:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.53.202) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2010 19:09:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.191] by nm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2010 19:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.170] by tm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2010 19:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2010 19:09:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 175715.81810.bm@omp1053.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 78988 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2010 19:09:13 -0000 Message-ID: <80179.77396.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _1Wh3nIVM1lIoTgDQ8ka8.k2f4pRnIMQe2E4Yb9qpomvytD cVfFiMO8jAWkzt3sMYbLm8nU2_TFCHfReApLggN.KJfA44nzr5j21Sjg2Aof TSruVoW4DezspYx3NO.tdmmU.oUqwFd10yBHeumP2R2nj0r77q2vXVmkg050 ph6G3Vz8A2ZD0wjlDT5Emk1YbSIKHOf.8QkqWjkWkknuMoNQGg0EeNLEW_wt g5qaPfMBgbpJC5kk6uua2_hxk.0VoxV2YJgGirBPIc8j63wv54.Rw6ZoP0H3 wE_zZgmTEZQLAEBvVRF5vjxOXSLxYdcQN6pRSL4APiHWngcYz3lhjWLimbmL 0cp24HghllXHoULwCiqKUTB8ZYKiZjxiuQ8qyIEh_BcdV_xs- X-Received: from [67.183.112.24] by web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 12:09:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:09:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 98.139.53.202 From: keith beesley Subject: Re: {AMSF} 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=kuiZWCgA6N_XoY46P64Vwlk_3G-u2OgTik2_h_by7sQxrJCe X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 That's great news! More music on AM is always welcome.=20 Fisher (parent company of KVI, KOMO 1000 AM, and KOMO 97.7 FM) has been mak= ing a lot of changes lately. I hope they don't tinker any more with the for= mat of KOMO.=20 Keith B.=20 --- On Thu, 11/4/10, nicholas wrote: > From: nicholas > Subject: {AMSF} 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 11:32 PM > This was exciting news for me living > in an area where music seems to be dropping off the AM dial. > Here is a potential station to resume stereo operation might > be a pipe dream but potentially a god send if they do! >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 05 17:12:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39159 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2010 00:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2010 00:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.207) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2010 00:12:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11808 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2010 00:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.16.135.171 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Nov 2010 17:12:41 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: tFmlIbwVM1nE4Aj8EAh4Yyo5_bkpadymg9c1c5.ddOUlk9O 4bHJ53H_NhO7G9XI3kAqHjmJQnSuCGAOo0V.3SFC2pE8935_59JxuAm4D.9t bwHJlpLhPX_l1BpZqhCMv3h4_a2L7DyXA0Wzb33S3pq2eCIy2D1N8yLSwcmg E4g3EbBPZ7h_SckL_CNfVPnM4pKOgVrMfw4GIUEExFQTi3wGUSoK8lx_WUux PIfmaHSUBEtlGQIhf7AgLYyR9Y4_Lr.1I92mffU5kihKHgcpPyN1QgemV X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <5C83DCD4DC1E48149AD0AE9C0E3C05EF@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <80179.77396.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:11:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.207 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=DL74p1AD9uZDUaMk0vWvjXiPihIjb18Tk3Otx6i_0RgKVfN0-A1hPARfQMnKX2alb_OPCiuU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I would love to hear music again on KOMO AM 1000. I herd at one time thay where runing the Harris format. And all so at the time KROW AM 780 Reno Nv . Jim S ----- Original Message ----- From: keith beesley To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:09 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk That's great news! More music on AM is always welcome. Fisher (parent company of KVI, KOMO 1000 AM, and KOMO 97.7 FM) has been making a lot of changes lately. I hope they don't tinker any more with the format of KOMO. Keith B. --- On Thu, 11/4/10, nicholas wrote: > From: nicholas > Subject: {AMSF} 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 11:32 PM > This was exciting news for me living > in an area where music seems to be dropping off the AM dial. > Here is a potential station to resume stereo operation might > be a pipe dream but potentially a god send if they do! > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links > > > amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 05 19:08:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72352 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2010 02:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2010 02:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2010 02:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20101105210830101785100010.0) with SMTP id <20101105210830101785100010> for ; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 21:08:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4CD4B867.9030102@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 21:07:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 21:08:30 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=D4vEkSnj0Wj14FUG8eFLSEHRzQfbilTiE98FTRaAlyLXk0avfLzW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So just what is their new format going to be, or haven't they announced it yet? Scott Todd On 11/5/2010 1:32 AM, nicholas wrote: > This was exciting news for me living in an area where music seems to be > dropping off the AM dial. Here is a potential station to resume stereo > operation might be a pipe dream but potentially a god send if they do! From keith1226@yahoo.com Fri Nov 05 21:07:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25609 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2010 04:07:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2010 04:07:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm29.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.52.226) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2010 04:07:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm29.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2010 04:07:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.138] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2010 04:07:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2010 04:07:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 877608.58390.bm@omp1021.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 39092 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2010 04:00:32 -0000 Message-ID: <832031.38990.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pZ1qLCgVM1m0b_KhInIo0HrYEp7jdCtOv_vw.ABGsdvSZdS fOiBg0WTGrPL1OcmvH3VBmPG7FAqk7zHyZ6kDEEcaPIMRgzDxVPpGqWOFLmC JejIC9rUdS4fe5noB4AtVYWjJG02K6kARusQVw0cy27UoNP3b5lI50Vabohk 2lJ5RttloUjWVzElvt5qPyZsau4fV6PVCptOC5ix658TNmSV1gOiA1apqejG 2gKC975mB0.HeXCz_b7NAKBLLnkfzBfVrgc.zFRkx3m5wu9mey3pTvpMY7XW rscjXVxmf3Ky3XQp.BAgwosN3PhSIxC9cFipu9DzV_ihh.dqsqhfKyyBSs5x iewuZsn.3y4aDktmkAXM- X-Received: from [67.183.112.24] by web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Nov 2010 21:00:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 21:00:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4CD4B867.9030102@usfamily.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 98.139.52.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Subject: Re: {AMSF} 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=hHVyO2DMkrg2rhpxiwMzGCSsUtDo817GsiixyWkUOiNa0P7U X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Scott,=20 60s-70s oldies http://www.radio-info.com/news/seattles-kvi-570-drops-conservative-talk-to-= become-60s70s-greatest-hits Keith --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Scott Todd wrote: > From: Scott Todd > Subject: Re: {AMSF} 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 7:08 PM > So just what is their new format > going to be, or haven't they announced=20 > it yet? >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > On 11/5/2010 1:32 AM, nicholas wrote: > > This was exciting news for me living in an area where > music seems to be > > dropping off the AM dial. Here is a potential station > to resume stereo > > operation might be a pipe dream but potentially a god > send if they do! >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Nov 06 02:11:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57639 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2010 09:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2010 09:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2010 09:11:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2010 09:10:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2010 09:10:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:10:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 174.16.217.97 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=7jFA1KnXFqJnngfYlRM5bQ-hrqQnN81hSG0QJo0W60zD X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I still have the exciter. I am now moved into the denver colorado area and = have dug out the exciter and manual from the boxes. any interest? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wr= ote: > > well it does not seem to be going anywhere fast. >=20 >=20 > --- > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 100902-0, 09/02/2010 > Tested on: 9/2/2010 7:22:33 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 AVAST Software. > http://www.avast.com > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 06 18:33:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21910 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2010 01:33:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2010 01:33:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2010 01:33:07 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20101106203301101930900010.0) with SMTP id <20101106203301101930900010> for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:33:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4CD6019B.30900@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:32:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:33:01 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=0e0jPihL0TDjaPayDnqik5CLp7H8gPrM39r3fW-C_2-hzlQUjhhz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Would have bought it by now except the wife needed a few grand in dental work. Ugh! Scott Todd On 11/6/2010 4:11 AM, kc8gpd wrote: > I still have the exciter. I am now moved into the denver colorado area > and have dug out the exciter and manual from the boxes. > > any interest? From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 06 22:22:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67093 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2010 05:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2010 05:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2010 05:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id oA75MUSN003085 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 01:22:31 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.ed8.b613da7 (37036) for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 01:22:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d23.mail.aol.com (magic-d23.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.157]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v129.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB026-90ac4cd63795a2; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 01:22:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1c423.358df1ad.3a079195@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 01:22:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZWrZUV6eIvqt-vLqsOnJopEvbQbLsENYFkdglky_zKzOmA7KdrnMalmrKE08qbKm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With 5kW unlimited nondirectional hours, a 1/4 wave tower, and large saltwater areas, I bet it has great coverage at 570 on the dial. KVI? Has it been around for awhile? Lots of potential there. Nice crystal clear AM Stereo music while the FM'ers are fading in and out with lots of multipath due in that terrain. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 06 22:44:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22805 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2010 05:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2010 05:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2010 05:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2010 05:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2010 05:44:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:44:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1c423.358df1ad.3a079195@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.50.134 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=NfIn4T2maBgazxEuQOpJ3vC3cARrcoov8jmCGVzJ0aj8OqJyfSBwHBrwGji4lqHSQn9PQNgI X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi All thats needed is to tell the market where to find AM STEREO radios on= the internet in the market. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > With 5kW unlimited nondirectional hours, a 1/4 wave tower, and large=20 > saltwater areas, I bet it has great coverage at 570 on the dial. KVI? H= as it=20 > been around for awhile? Lots of potential there. Nice crystal clear AM = Stereo=20 > music while the FM'ers are fading in and out with lots of multipath due i= n=20 > that terrain. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From bratina501@msn.com Sat Nov 06 23:31:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42098 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2010 06:31:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2010 06:31:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2010 06:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2010 06:30:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2010 06:30:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:30:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.102 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: 570 KVI Seattle dropping talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=gQdbkyMe92xljxlL4mNPTHasAp3CXRyzo-xGWesPF2oQ-9dB0A X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi All thats needed is to tell the market where to find AM STEREO radios = on the internet in the market. Jim S Might have spoken too soon, the stereo equipment at KVI was gutted when the= transmitter was replaced. None of it remains today not even a stereo capab= le processor or STL it seems. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 07:09:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88938 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2010 15:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2010 15:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2010 15:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2010 15:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2010 15:09:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:09:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.205 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mPemg7qaZynv8IM2VcYIkF7BWPvvbKTRfUJN8-KOAsox6aeFWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 God only knows how I'd wish to buy it!!! But... our local government guys have gone "very fast" to give us their "he= lping hand" money to the "reconstruction". Very, very fast: we are in Novem= ber (the earthquake was in February) AND... Nothing yet. I'm trying a local bank credit line. I hope it'll work soon. BTW, if somebody knows something about a good "second hand" (used) AM Stere= o tuner, let me know, please. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > I still have the exciter. I am now moved into the denver colorado area an= d have dug out the exciter and manual from the boxes. >=20 > any interest? >=20 >=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Nov 10 07:24:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77561 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2010 15:24:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2010 15:24:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.172) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2010 15:24:58 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP183 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:24:58 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([97.122.175.157]) by BLU0-SMTP183.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:24:57 -0800 To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:24:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101110-0, 11/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2010 15:24:57.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EF6D090:01CB80EB] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=6Nubr0KNzzzAWf660a4pKieMdhZBpDZSwFhD7jyIkjBZ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i only have on or i would sell you one ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jota" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:09 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available God only knows how I'd wish to buy it!!! But... our local government guys have gone "very fast" to give us their "helping hand" money to the "reconstruction". Very, very fast: we are in November (the earthquake was in February) AND... Nothing yet. I'm trying a local bank credit line. I hope it'll work soon. BTW, if somebody knows something about a good "second hand" (used) AM Stereo tuner, let me know, please. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jesús Paredes Guerra From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love and hope. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > I still have the exciter. I am now moved into the denver colorado area and > have dug out the exciter and manual from the boxes. > > any interest? > > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Nov 10 07:43:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79100 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2010 15:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2010 15:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s3.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.142) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2010 15:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP194 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:42:45 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([97.122.175.157]) by BLU0-SMTP194.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:42:45 -0800 To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:42:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101110-0, 11/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2010 15:42:45.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB5F58D0:01CB80ED] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=RPiJkcdTb_cZMXp4JVvnP7QmCqmeOFzDfqi_U-Nk1OTU X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd first one to produce cash gets it. I also have excellent condition vintage 70's era sony and realistic stereo receivers $60/ea. plus shipping and a 15 inch lcd computer screen $40 plus shipping i also live in the greater denver area for local p/u ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jota" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:09 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available God only knows how I'd wish to buy it!!! But... our local government guys have gone "very fast" to give us their "helping hand" money to the "reconstruction". Very, very fast: we are in November (the earthquake was in February) AND... Nothing yet. I'm trying a local bank credit line. I hope it'll work soon. BTW, if somebody knows something about a good "second hand" (used) AM Stereo tuner, let me know, please. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jesús Paredes Guerra From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love and hope. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > I still have the exciter. I am now moved into the denver colorado area and > have dug out the exciter and manual from the boxes. > > any interest? > > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From jmrouse@mail.com Wed Nov 10 21:00:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18619 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2010 05:00:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2010 05:00:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2010 05:00:11 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id oAB4xjHw029500 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:59:45 -0500 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.f44.8fcf8ea (34983) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:59:40 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.170]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v129.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA088-b2504cdb783982; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:59:40 -0500 X-Received: from web-mmc-m05 (web-mmc-m05.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.138]) by smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (v129.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE035-b2504cdb783982; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:59:37 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:59:36 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 71.185.156.196 In-Reply-To: <239254.50285.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 32843-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.156.196 by web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.138) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:59:36 -0500 Message-Id: <8CD4F745FAF02A3-1D9C-394A@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=uJVVXneleelsN_K9HXUCmbzUwjYOESQbu_m2Vz8Ku9Q7tEyzK8qM X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds like the best idea I have heard in a long while! -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Apr 9, 2010 5:26 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? Oh wait a minute...it's OK for IBOC to take up five channels, but analog must be confined to the NRSC curve? When did the NRSC curve become actual law? As for radios that can handle the bandwidth, SOME can, but they are rare and usually dedicated AM-only receivers. I have a small Sony AM portable that has a very nice passband, and it is one of those cheepo rigs that has just one chip in it, no discrete transistors, and uses a ceramic filter and one IF transformer. The difference between WJR and CKLW audio is huge, even to my tired ears. On the other hand, some very expensive receivers tend to put all the quality into the FM band, and leave the AM sounding pathetic. I've probably said it before, but it is time to retire the diode detector and the superhet both, and go with direct-conversion (zero IF) receivers. I have built a couple simple ones, and the sound quality is astounding WHEN the station transmits it that way. he technoilogy is allready used in cell phones, surely it can be adapted to AM? G --- On Fri, 4/9/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 5:02 PM it sounds great on my am stereo rig even though its in mono can I send a audio sample of this station? its ktuc 1400 Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? On 4/9/2010 4:31 PM, hank smith wrote: > any one know what ktuc runs at? > that tucson nastelga station has allways seems a bit wide > They should be in compliance with NRSC Standards, or they are risking being Fined by the FCC. If they are over-modulating, that can make them splatter. Also, with so many stations running at low bandwidths, a Station that is using the maximum allowed Bandwidth will sound much wider than the others. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=y1LC4nfJnYrGA_3pKMQNE6R80HeIKcuF2TedWLOZbJw8lL2iJcl4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember when WNBC used ISB. They sounded excellent.=20=20 PS sorry about the old post, things have been crazy. =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Apr 9, 2010 11:21 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? I can see the HD as a "death before born" invention. I wonder: Why the listener will feel some love to something which isn't bet= ter=20 than the today technology and more expensive than the today devices? ??? C-QUAM is, unfortunately, the only one legal AM Stereo system in USA, Canad= a and=20 Japan (and I guess in other countries, too), but it doesn't mean it is the = best=20 technology. In fact, we can't use C-QUAM in SW bands. The best, I insist, is the ISB AM Stereo (filtered side bands aproach with = a=20 little help from the digital domain world to get the best filtering). The best thing from the ISB AM Stereo is we can use it in any band!!! The only one problem is... HOW TO CONVINCE THE TXs AND TUNER MANUFACTURERS?= ??? I know it is cruel, but a mega catastrophe teachs us some very good lessons= to=20 learn: 1) WITHOUT ELECTRIC POWER, A LOT OF THINGS FAIL (we need a quickly way to=20 self-generated power to our TXs) 2) AN OLD STANDARD BATTERY ANALOG TUNER WAS ALL YOU NEED TO TUNE SOME STATI= ON=20 AND KNOW ABOUT THE STATE OF THE COUNTRY (I could get more fresh news from t= he=20 Argentine AM stations than any other source, and all with my old Philips DC= 888=20 AM Stereo tuner with my car battery as electric power source). 3) DIGITAL IS SO GOOD INSIDE A FULL CONTROLLED AND SECURE WORLD, NOT IN LW,= MW=20 AND SW BANDS (without the full network of cellphones repeaters operative, w= e=20 can't use the digital "XXI Century jewel", the digital cellphone). 4) THE OLD RADIO HAM SERVICE ALWAYS WORKS SO FINE (remember it is analog Si= ngle=20 SideBand, very close to the ISB AM Stereo). SO... dear friends, I vote to the analog ISB AM STEREO. LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG RADIO!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > HD has been adopted by a number of countries- Malaysia, Mexico, and Brazi= l,=20 IIRC. It's also being tested in a number of other countries in Europe and = South=20 America. And as Powell said, DRM has many of the same problems. AFAIK the= re is=20 no digital/analog hybrid in the DRM system, though it could be done but you= 'd=20 have the same problems we have now. >=20 > BTW- be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. >=20 > Scott >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: hank smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:21 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > and hd is supposed to be beter? > hell we mise well go dab > oh wait I forgot we cant cause the stupid us has to be friggen differen= t. > sorry not having a good day and little things like this get to me. > how we has to be different then every body else > europe has dab, drm, we have this hd crap well its good but no one else= has=20 it > tell you what if I was ever given a chance to move to uk I would jump a= t it. > I am rambling sorry >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=uwRU7JaEhLLrmQj-Gtz3lyGbOscxgemN8G5clkgNiz-D2i-1ccQ5 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That RCA has me droolin'. Could you post some photos of that? -----Original Message----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:59 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? On 4/11/2010 11:39 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > I remember that. But radios didn't get any benefit from audio being that wide. My RCA "Superbrain" Console is good for 17 Khz Audio in the "High Fidelity" Setting. Then there was the Carver TX-11A Tuner. > I have been in radio full time and part time since 1968. > I got into the Radio biz when I was in the Second Grade (1976). -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=XaTesMgFgCgSDH-8cA_H0Ib3nm0z-fg46nzjKUP-1DkVMPYfRBJi X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know a guy who has a DeLorean. All we need is a little plutonium & a flux capacitor. -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:09 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? Crosley (WLW) built a "cathanode" transmitter that wowed even the folks from MacIntosh when they tested it out. About as efficient as an old bus, but flat out to 25 kHz.! BUT, being in the receiver business too, he made sure his top-of-the-line radios could avail themselves of such sound, one even including a dynamic range expander and (gulp!) TWEETERS! Yeah, it had 38 tubes in it, but I'm sure that could be repeated today with a chip or two. Anybody got a time tunnel I can borrow?G --- On Sun, 4/11/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 12:59 PM On 4/11/2010 11:39 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > I remember that. But radios didn't get any benefit from audio being that wide. My RCA "Superbrain" Console is good for 17 Khz Audio in the "High Fidelity" Setting. Then there was the Carver TX-11A Tuner. > I have been in radio full time and part time since 1968. > I got into the Radio biz when I was in the Second Grade (1976). -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=0dphHuBmq4IhgEghlmk-5C5vNzRcJs1Pg5bkbJZgFY7_XdG9RIfn X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not crazy, makes perfect sense to me. When the left channel on the cheap s= tandard Cavalier AM/FM radio went supernova, I put a GM UX-1 "Symphony Soun= d" in it. Best car radio I have heard. ( Well, the Chrysler "Golden Tone"= all tube set in Grandpap's 1960 300 sounded really fine too) =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:20 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? Hi Gang!!! All the comments have forgot the following points: 1) Human hearing system accept as a good sound not only a very wide bandwid= th.=20 The distortion and background noise become more important than the frecuenc= y=20 range most of the time. In this line, most of the AM tuners sound bad becau= se:=20 (a) too much distortion, or (b) too much noise. So, we don't get too much=20 improvement if we transmit up to 15 KHZ or high. We need good tuners, first= of=20 all. 2) Whatever the amount of high frecuency range level we put on the air, the= re=20 always will be a natural barrier to the high fidelity sound: the distance. = AM=20 has the worst enemy with this issue. To a typical 1 KW station, you can't g= et a=20 good sound (noise free) beyond 15-20 kilometers far away your transmitter = site.=20 You can rise up to the heaven all the frecuencies above 5 KHZ, but the dist= ance=20 will always win the battle and you will only get a very "beautiful" noisy s= ound=20 from any wide band tuner you use. 3) It isn't a good idea to increase the high frecuencies too much because t= he=20 balance (color) of the bass-mid-treble relationship could change giving a v= ery=20 annoying sound. We want to hear the trebles, but not too much. 4) As a music teacher I am, I've learned that there is a lot of total time= =20 WITHOUT high frecuencies range level in the music we hear. I mean, the cymb= als=20 aren't sounding all over the time of the songs are (one exception is "A Har= d=20 Day's Night" from The Beatles). The same to the "s" and other treble sounds= .=20 So... we don't need to keep the high frecuencies energy all the time up (ju= st a=20 waste of power). More important is to avoid the bass level modulation of th= e mid=20 range (typical effect of the monoband limiters). 5) Most of the people can't distinguish between FM or AM, IF THE AM TUNER I= S=20 GOOD (10 KHZ audio bandwidth, less than 2% distortion). I have tested it a = lot=20 of time here and I can sure you they can't believe they are listen AM with = my=20 old Philips DC888 AM Stereo tuner, even they are seeing it is an AM tuner!!= ! The=20 problem is: they are accustomed to think: "FM sounds good, AM sounds BAD." = BUT=20 IT IS BECAUSE NOBODY SHOWS ANOTHER CHANCE!!! They think this way because th= e=20 99.99% of the AM tuners sound really bad!!! But it is not the AM broadcaste= rs=20 fault!!! It is just the AM manufacturers fault!!! Who will change it? ??? ?= ?? Just a few humble opinions from a crazy man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope (even t= he=20 aftershocks) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > There are some great examples of wideband AM stereo on Youtube. I don't k= now > if any of you have anything to do with this: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2zSwiHlfmRg >=20 >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=t1vFmJWruWNg71fSRmD5vb5In1-LCVF-pJVrd4VjvDVs1Fj2euha X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Power to the people. -----Original Message----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:29 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? On 4/11/2010 10:38 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > The UK is cutting off all Analog ( or Analogue as they spell it) in 5 years. You will have far few choices for music over in that part of the world. The UK already has TONS of Pirate Stations. They will have that many more when they turn off Analog Radio. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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I have a Metrosound AMS-400. I remember seing somewhere a m= odification to put an audio output on the back of the unit and modification= s for AMAX. If somebody has this please email me the info at ve7hlo@hotmai= l.com. Thanks. From jmrouse@mail.com Wed Nov 10 22:06:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39749 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2010 06:06:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2010 06:06:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2010 06:06:00 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id oAB660Iv012878 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:06:00 -0500 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c9b.5993c96e (43849) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:05:55 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.156]) by cia-dc04.mx.aol.com (v129.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC046-d4394cdb87bd339; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:05:55 -0500 X-Received: from web-mmc-m05 (web-mmc-m05.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.138]) by smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD038-d4394cdb87bd339; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:05:49 -0500 References: <00cf01cade8d$ec022900$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:05:48 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 71.185.156.196 In-Reply-To: <00cf01cade8d$ec022900$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 32843-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.156.196 by web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.138) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:05:48 -0500 Message-Id: <8CD4F7D9F278F56-1D9C-406C@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=j_ugCZXxLOdiAqEnCSdbsFbPOWTESOAeiX73woNMjHyO6w-UUR2F X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amen. As a matter of fact, the ONLY way Iwould be tempted to purchase an HD radio is if would decode AM stereo (and do it well , mind you) and if it had a high quality AM tuner with selectable bandwidth settings. Then the people could decide what they want to listen to. Was that not the FCC idea in the first place? -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Apr 17, 2010 8:26 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa I hate to say this, but only us techno-geeks will really be interested in this. If AM stereo is to have a revival what we need is brain-dead simple receivers which the average Joe and Jane Sixpack can use. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo through SDR, SoDiRa The actual IF of the radio has to be 12 KHz and some of the so called DRM downmixers might work but I can't guarantee it. And yes, you do have to have a computer hooked up to the radio in order for it to work as the receiver's 12 KHz IF is patched directly into the computer's sound card and after this special software is used to filter and demodulate the signals. This means that the receiver is tremendously flexible based on the software being used. The 12 KHz IF is necessary because its within the range of human hearing and thus able to be input into the computer's sound card where as a standard 455 KHz IF is way too high in frequency for the card to handle. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" wrote: > > Very interesting (he says with an Artie Johnson German accent). > BUT, the 12KHz part -does that mean that the radio has to have a 12KHz BANDWIDTH, or the actual I.F. of the radio has to be 12KHz instead of our standard 450KHz or 455KHz AM I.F. bandwidth? > Anybody shed some light? So, you have to have a computer hooked to your radio to make it work too?? > Lots of questions. > John > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join (Yahoo! ID required) amstereoforum-digest@yahoogroups.com amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 07:18:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6912 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2010 15:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2010 15:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2010 15:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2010 15:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2010 15:18:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:18:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CD4F780AFCE0FD-1D9C-3BEB@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: AM STEREO in my DeLorean at 88MPH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=SB5uwInEmExgOgrd7aXZ9rzMKsxva6-poAAseRd0j3ptLUfYV-m5FD4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio That would be my first stop in the DeLorean: 1985 FCC and slap them until t= hey set the "AM Stereo Standard".=20 Then return in 1987 and force them to make "mandatory quality requirements = for AM receivers that have FM". If it has FM stereo, it must have AM stere= o. Next stop: Program Directors in 1978 and warn them to put great mucic on th= e radio on AM for the next 3 years, as there will be stereo AM tuners withi= n a few years. Next Stop: 1989 and all US automakers have AM stereo standard with FM stere= o standard (actually, Chrysler DID do that). Next Stop: Vegas to bet on the World Series for the 1980's to get enough m= oney to use in the 90's to be a "lobbyist" to kill-off the 1996 Telecommuni= cations bill. Next Stop: 1964: bribe the FCC to allow "Superpower clear channels" - all 1= A's would be allowed 750KW if they agree to AM stereo when it is introduced= in the late 70's. Next Stop: 1995: Kill off iBiquity's digital system and investigate several= options - perhaps realizing that DSP on AM Stereo and FM Stereo and FMeXtr= a is all we need, or DAB+, but have a panel to evalaute all digital radio s= tandards and have their own band, or do nothing. Next Stop: November 2008: Prevent the hostile take-over "merger" of XM radi= o by Sirius. Next Stop: The changed future: November 2010: where all AM clear channel st= ations are stereo AM, all car radios are, they have stereo AM in iPods etc.= ..and there is no evil empire of ClearChannel Radio! I guess I shouldn't have watched "Back to the Future" this past weekend (25= th anniversary!) Wow - what could have been in 'radio world' had just a few things been diff= erent! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jmrouse@... wrote: > > I know a guy who has a DeLorean. All we need is a little plutonium & a f= lux capacitor. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 11 13:03:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4355 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2010 21:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2010 21:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2010 21:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2010 21:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2010 21:03:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:03:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.191.250 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: AM STEREO in my DeLorean at 88MPH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=SJtWtfY82sw49RfCt4UON7xipqpaMUPnz97-JPuj_YQL0MsXcj6l_8OUW7Daz5vQCDO5Ro4f X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I would not have waited till 1985 to set the standerd. I would hav= e went to 1977 78. Two to three years at the most would have been just fine= . Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > That would be my first stop in the DeLorean: 1985 FCC and slap them until= they set the "AM Stereo Standard".=20 > Then return in 1987 and force them to make "mandatory quality requirement= s for AM receivers that have FM". If it has FM stereo, it must have AM ste= reo. > Next stop: Program Directors in 1978 and warn them to put great mucic on = the radio on AM for the next 3 years, as there will be stereo AM tuners wit= hin a few years. > Next Stop: 1989 and all US automakers have AM stereo standard with FM ste= reo standard (actually, Chrysler DID do that). > Next Stop: Vegas to bet on the World Series for the 1980's to get enough= money to use in the 90's to be a "lobbyist" to kill-off the 1996 Telecommu= nications bill. > Next Stop: 1964: bribe the FCC to allow "Superpower clear channels" - all= 1A's would be allowed 750KW if they agree to AM stereo when it is introduc= ed in the late 70's. > Next Stop: 1995: Kill off iBiquity's digital system and investigate sever= al options - perhaps realizing that DSP on AM Stereo and FM Stereo and FMeX= tra is all we need, or DAB+, but have a panel to evalaute all digital radio= standards and have their own band, or do nothing. > Next Stop: November 2008: Prevent the hostile take-over "merger" of XM ra= dio by Sirius. > Next Stop: The changed future: November 2010: where all AM clear channel = stations are stereo AM, all car radios are, they have stereo AM in iPods et= c...and there is no evil empire of ClearChannel Radio! >=20 > I guess I shouldn't have watched "Back to the Future" this past weekend (= 25th anniversary!) >=20 > Wow - what could have been in 'radio world' had just a few things been di= fferent! >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jmrouse@ wrote: > > > > I know a guy who has a DeLorean. All we need is a little plutonium & a= flux capacitor. > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 13:19:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86776 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2010 21:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2010 21:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2010 21:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2010 21:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2010 21:19:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:19:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.108 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: AM STEREO in my DeLorean at 88MPH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=y2b7369255lB-6y67WwwIlL29WhRpsZ6q10PQylGC0tpTwocJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Easy, gang!!! Just take all the FCC people and put them inside the old Apollo NASA aircra= fts and throw them out to... Andromeda galaxy!!! Please, one way ticket. LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM STEREO!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 17:05:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69938 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2010 01:05:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2010 01:05:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 01:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2010 01:05:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2010 01:05:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:05:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.78.38 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Four Hours of KCJJ AM Stereo recording courtesy of Tab Patterson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=Y8RI9Am6VXDcoNCgtZFHOMPZ4iqVHIxouaJwZwRbEqRGJOTGpE6w X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Good evening, Courtesy of Tab Patterson, listen to "Robb Radio," a four-hour music program recorded on November 5th, 2010. Tab used his PRO1k=20 stereo AM tuner in a Holiday Inn in Coralville, Iowa. You can download the entire show at once, or get it in one-hour time blocks:=20=20 http://robbspewak.com/robbradio/index.php?/archives/78-Robb-Radio-60-Novemb= er-5,-2010.html Despite the hotel environment, with vacuum cleaners, fluorescent lights, and other noise makers being used, Tab captured a very good air check. Terk AM Advantage served as the loop antenna. Thank you Tab for providing the air check, and thank you to=20 Robb Spewak for hosting the web site, and KCJJ for providing the=20 four-hour music program in C-QuAM stereo! It was awesome!=20=20 We hope that you enjoy this as much as we did. Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci.com =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Nov 11 18:26:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38416 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2010 02:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2010 02:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f46.google.com) (209.85.214.46) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 02:26:10 -0000 X-Received: by bwz15 with SMTP id 15so2736416bwz.33 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:26:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.60.12 with SMTP id n12mr2206687bkh.61.1289528769951; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:26:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.54.18 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:26:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:26:09 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.46 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Four Hours of KCJJ AM Stereo recording courtesy of Tab Patterson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=SA5IFkPuSSjmLU5ReBRI2YKKbMLQ2auYby_K1sQCITPL0PlO X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Meduci, that is awesome. Listening to the first hour. I'm not sure if all the music styles are congruent (Beach Boys to Hip Hop?) but interesting listening! Cheers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Nov 12 04:41:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35360 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2010 12:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2010 12:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 12:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2010 12:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2010 12:41:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:41:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.97.128.19 From: "starship20012001" Subject: Re: AM STEREO in my DeLorean at 88MPH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=ekWVVp1F51djW5awU20ig7NoTTsC3xLhJlrD1xiEOHOb7ro-A5ELlSfJJA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Yes i agree you had to back to around 77 no later then 78 to save AM. AM wa= s going good in this market until 79 when the downfall really started. they= started dropping music and adding news and talk due to the FM movement. Th= e real sad part of this is i doubt AM will ever come back and now FM is in = trouble too. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I would not have waited till 1985 to set the standerd. I would h= ave went to 1977 78. Two to three years at the most would have been just fi= ne. Jim Smith >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > > > That would be my first stop in the DeLorean: 1985 FCC and slap them unt= il they set the "AM Stereo Standard".=20 > > Then return in 1987 and force them to make "mandatory quality requireme= nts for AM receivers that have FM". If it has FM stereo, it must have AM s= tereo. > > Next stop: Program Directors in 1978 and warn them to put great mucic o= n the radio on AM for the next 3 years, as there will be stereo AM tuners w= ithin a few years. > > Next Stop: 1989 and all US automakers have AM stereo standard with FM s= tereo standard (actually, Chrysler DID do that). > > Next Stop: Vegas to bet on the World Series for the 1980's to get enou= gh money to use in the 90's to be a "lobbyist" to kill-off the 1996 Telecom= munications bill. > > Next Stop: 1964: bribe the FCC to allow "Superpower clear channels" - a= ll 1A's would be allowed 750KW if they agree to AM stereo when it is introd= uced in the late 70's. > > Next Stop: 1995: Kill off iBiquity's digital system and investigate sev= eral options - perhaps realizing that DSP on AM Stereo and FM Stereo and FM= eXtra is all we need, or DAB+, but have a panel to evalaute all digital rad= io standards and have their own band, or do nothing. > > Next Stop: November 2008: Prevent the hostile take-over "merger" of XM = radio by Sirius. > > Next Stop: The changed future: November 2010: where all AM clear channe= l stations are stereo AM, all car radios are, they have stereo AM in iPods = etc...and there is no evil empire of ClearChannel Radio! > >=20 > > I guess I shouldn't have watched "Back to the Future" this past weekend= (25th anniversary!) > >=20 > > Wow - what could have been in 'radio world' had just a few things been = different! > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jmrouse@ wrote: > > > > > > I know a guy who has a DeLorean. All we need is a little plutonium &= a flux capacitor. > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 14:59:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82312 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2010 22:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2010 22:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 22:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2010 22:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2010 22:59:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:59:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.11 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: AM STEREO in my DeLorean at 88MPH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=PbVdt9FiHaQyCyCurokwPrDWWXKkYJ72ekMClSvRj5Qu2DhdKg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 When TV arrived to us (1960's here in Chile), everybody talks about the end= of the radio and records. We are in 2010 now and the radio is still alive, very alive, here in Chile. TV is alive too. Both exist without major problems. Records have a very great problem here because the piracy (and the very hig= h price of some CDs). Now, we could improve the AM here in Chile if, ONLY IF, we get better tuner= s. I mean: we have to get a politician rule to force/oblige the tuner manufact= urers to make good machines. It is the only way, because the AM radio in Chile has and keeps its market = but the tuners quality is... &%$#&%$# (I don't know a good word to define i= t). The worst, we can easily get devices with tuner part but without AM. So... Chile seems to be in a better condition than USA. USA could help the rest of the world IF... all of you, guys, fight united to get better AM tuners, from the top (politician level) to the list= ener. Of course, you have to kill the FCC first. Hahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "starship20012001" wrote: > > Yes i agree you had to back to around 77 no later then 78 to save AM. AM = was going good in this market until 79 when the downfall really started. th= ey started dropping music and adding news and talk due to the FM movement. = The real sad part of this is i doubt AM will ever come back and now FM is i= n trouble too. >=20 From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Nov 13 08:06:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83037 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2010 16:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2010 16:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 16:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2010 16:06:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2010 16:06:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:06:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.78.38 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Four Hours of KCJJ AM Stereo recording courtesy of Tab Patterson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=3DZwpihaUPD-PbXUyi5O2U8Kng9RrgDx5_7Fc2nHUdUexqqgpwnD X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Daniel, You write: >Thanks Meduci, >=20 > that is awesome. Listening to the first hour. I'm not sure if all >the music styles are congruent (Beach Boys to Hip Hop?) but >interesting listening! This off-air KCJJ recording demonstrates how well analog AM=20 stereo rules! Eat your heart out iBiquity! Long live PRO1k.=20=20 There were low level artifacts heard in the background during quiet passages. This could be attributed it to the Cedar Rapids HD Radio station spewing noise garbage beyond 1600kHz!=20=20 This recording shows the potential of C-QuAM stereo, despite NRSC-2 and the other restrictions placed on the technology.=20=20 NRSC-2 was a bright idea to limit the transmitted top end audio bandwidth to 10.2kHz. NRSC-2 should be repealed since iBiquity=20 continuously transmits their noise well beyond 10.2kHz. =20 Robb Spewak enjoyed spinning the records live in the KCJJ studio. Beach Boys to Hip Hop is true variety, keeping in line with the KCJJ format. You may remember Robb as the third wheel on the "Don & Mike" show for many years. Nothing to sneeze at, Robb=20 was employed with CBS Radio for 17 fun-filled years.=20 Thanks again Tab for making this happen. It was a pleasure to listen to KCJJ again.=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci. com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 10:18:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5163 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2010 18:18:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2010 18:18:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2010 18:18:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2010 18:18:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2010 18:18:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:18:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.39 From: "Jota" Subject: AM Stereo ISB with SDR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=YjZyXjlkL5ZRgmxazbrwcU4WC5IvjOW9s2nicLkdbXoP_RUBxA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I want to know if somebody knows something about AM Stereo ISB with/through= SDR (software defined radio). Any data, please, let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Nov 16 18:54:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42715 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2010 02:53:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2010 02:53:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f41.google.com) (209.85.214.41) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2010 02:53:56 -0000 X-Received: by bwz16 with SMTP id 16so1061869bwz.14 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:53:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.120.65 with SMTP id c1mr3268828bkr.61.1289962435694; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:53:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.54.18 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:53:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:53:55 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.41 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: Four Hours of KCJJ AM Stereo recording courtesy of Tab Patterson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=ISHncJRei-xBAEDLYT0mqWrADZeNO9JKnSdYH2IK0LK1FNEF X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robb sounds like a very enthusiastic DJ. The kind of person that brings a radio station alive instead of just being a jukebox. The sound quality is very good. I think AM stereo still has some advantage over DAB+ being introduced in Australia. I think the beauty of AM stereo is that you can use your portable radio for way longer without the battery going dead in a couple of hours. DAB requires more power for demodulation, signal processing, decoding the compressed bitstream etc. Also, DAB+ uses a 'DAB Ensemble' to multiplex multiple programs onto one channel. The total bit-rate of the ensemble is 1136kbps and this takes up 1536kHz of spectrum. If we use the example of Perth's local AM music station which is being simulcast on DAB+ at 48kbps share of the ensemble. The 48kbps takes up 1536kHz / 1136kbps x 48kbps = 64kHz of theoretical spectrum. This is way more than the 20kHz odd of an AM stereo station. The sound quality of the 48kbps AAC+ on DAB+ is not miles ahead of good AM stereo at all. They argue here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting) that DAB has the advantage of frequency reuse. I'm not sure how important that is. Interesting food for thought though. Dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelpullin2003@yahoo.com Sun Nov 21 15:28:41 2010 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=33837;u=;t=1290432841;m=878618473;s=2957249036; From bratina501@msn.com Sun Nov 21 23:56:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78108 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2010 07:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2010 07:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2010 07:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2010 07:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2010 07:56:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:56:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.102 From: "nicholas" Subject: March 15th 1992, JOQR 1134 introduces STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=mdy26GoRx5FnJ1hrOO_aOPHvZKwMpS5dA_mL3KRQNTqCMd_XmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 This aircheck is of the inaugural stereo broadcast of JOQR 1134 Tokyo Japan= recorded in stereo on March 15th 1992 at 9 AM JST. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtXLyNcSmAVE=20 From ve7hlo@hotmail.com Wed Nov 24 22:38:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ve7hlo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41646 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2010 06:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2010 06:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2010 06:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2010 06:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2010 06:38:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:38:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.71.119.85 From: "Ron" Subject: Sony SRF-A100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165239812; y=52UtNxQPgDrTlM5VaL6Zpfih5iH1ATJ6SV2qZF3JGGLP X-Yahoo-Profile: ve7hlo Hi Everybody. I had no idea how good AM Stereo sounded till I bought a Son= y SRF-A100 radio off Ebay. The volume controls were scratchy and the switc= hes were dirty, but since I am a technician and ham radio operator I had no= problem restoring it. Its too bad that alot of the radio stations out the= re have stopped broadcasting in AM Stereo or turned it off. I have been re= ading about how digital AM Radio has flopped and I wish that they would jus= t go back to the tried and proven mode of CQUAM. The only station that I c= an pick up in the Vancouver BC area in AM Stereo plays Bollywood music but = it gives it a new life. I will try and post some samples that I recorded o= ff air when I have time. Whoever does the engineering of the radio station= has done a good job because it sounds awesome. The radio station is RJ120= 0 http://www.rj1200.com/ . Ron From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 26 16:58:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28280 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2010 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2010 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.52.234) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2010 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.195] by nm14.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2010 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.166] by tm8.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2010 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2010 00:58:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 369565.23019.bm@omp1049.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 57841 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2010 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@68.72.219.44 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2010 16:58:14 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: D.KxSVMVM1lVsOPAmCNX4avLByyq2xTU_uqZKDfmfoRh6PD egJuGVxROEi__YnTOEyMObUU8OkvxOH79.e_no3Y4mf.JdhU6vpq_mm2u7Dj dMp_KhiMtKQxuX8ZunaS79PHfwgR6qsy5ENCi8yHuaVyfcDs5WaWz8l4z9cB Rb5iukZvxL4vM.e3CwnaE69FGuVbDEu5KT8degES_DhWY22ohoNqyO_Ed034 uJbtxqJ8CKl8eN9MvuAAylNzu3z8M2QpgTqCWrw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 16:58:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.52.234 From: "jim smith" Subject: TM !52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=W6SthlVHQgwOsXe53CKR2RbyY2gQ4Fv4JvmMF0-IW-97X_Gxib_5TRfMwljFfNzYLtEJswhc X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang Happy Helladays I was listening to my TM 152 and i was just wondering what company mad it for Radio Shack. I like the way the TM 152 sounds over the MCS 3050. I would update the 3050 before the TM 152. Later gang. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Fri Nov 26 17:14:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68668 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2010 01:14:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2010 01:14:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2010 01:14:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2010 01:14:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2010 01:14:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 01:14:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.15.216.125 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: Sony SRF-A100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=g_B0dvkmQy89QFEUknC6GM0kRtPEZkBCJIaFQ6x5sw8dsTsyJA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" wrote: > > Hi Everybody. I had no idea how good AM Stereo sounded till I bought a S= ony SRF-A100 radio off Ebay. The volume controls were scratchy and the swi= tches were dirty, but since I am a technician and ham radio operator I had = no problem restoring it. Its too bad that alot of the radio stations out t= here have stopped broadcasting in AM Stereo or turned it off. I have been = reading about how digital AM Radio has flopped and I wish that they would j= ust go back to the tried and proven mode of CQUAM. The only station that I= can pick up in the Vancouver BC area in AM Stereo plays Bollywood music bu= t it gives it a new life. I will try and post some samples that I recorded= off air when I have time. Whoever does the engineering of the radio stati= on has done a good job because it sounds awesome. The radio station is RJ1= 200 http://www.rj1200.com/ . >=20 >=20 > Ron > Really, there is on AM station left in Vancouver broadcasting in stereo? Th= is is great I might as well dig out the SRF-42 and try for it on the Accuri= an. I am 200 miles south of Vancouver BC in the southern part of Washington= in the US but do get stations from there exceptionally well. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Nov 29 04:35:13 2010 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=33842;u=;t=1292882764;m=1784287679;s=2448868490; From videoamstereo@yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 21:23:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: videoamstereo@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15228 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2010 05:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2010 05:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2010 05:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2010 05:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2010 05:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2010 05:23:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:23:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.3.127.223 From: "videoamstereo" Subject: am stereo on FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=240151085; y=UXKTXoWcG2S0PeTaWEuN1_wseu9dYlalndurcbFBveXk0lnVPQ9gFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: videoamstereo Hi all, I just filed my papers with the patent(PAIRS 12/584882) office=20 for SSTV for FM radio and i am also proposing an additional FM station=20 between the stations to be known as video FM2 broadcasting in=20 AM STEREO???,YES!! AM STEREO ie.ISB-SC, LOOK FOR FLOW CHARTS: A THROUGHT E. Or Email me at videoamstereo@yahoo.com and I will send you a copy. chow From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Dec 02 10:06:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32203 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2010 18:06:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2010 18:06:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2010 18:06:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2010 18:06:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2010 18:06:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 18:06:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.118.33.60 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=746cwriEV5kEI89UYafN-kXIYjWvRqVDVyFuVYEECbaV X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hey all Delta ASE-2 & Manual is still available. nothing wrong with it. hav= e 2 AX10's in cherry condition and just don't need this one. any takers? Hate to have to go through the BS and Expense of Ebay To Sell it. rather se= e someone here get it. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Dec 07 15:16:40 2010 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39971 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2010 23:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2010 23:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2010 23:16:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1291763794; bh=4hGq/zKyCeELZGAYd41mNVSBfl6KrI8XTKDjLZzhFsE=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HeiMtCnxgvsXNOYGc9tKVz8fc1iMZkEhJ9FIBfSflvfJi25AaZ8sXZtV+CGEFYA9/qwCrSA8dSsXNd92h9ZCK5rlCCLNx1f/ELtBFX0EEXRIrI1eb2CESbdfAQrazrZg Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2010 23:16:34 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2010 23:16:34 -0000 Date: 7 Dec 2010 23:16:33 -0000 Message-ID: <1291763793.19684.38633.w8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /fig._C_D_E_F.docx Uploaded by : videoamstereo Description : AM Stereo on FM-flow charts A thu F You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/fig._C_D_E_F.docx To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, videoamstereo From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 20 15:46:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66534 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2010 23:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2010 23:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2010 23:46:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2010 23:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2010 23:46:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:46:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.153 From: "Jota" Subject: Full Eclipsed Moon, Astronomy Events and other herbs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jiLhdNOC-9ppf1RQ9NL_A6U9eFTDI_hr9LIWIeBbYfnW504MSg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Today (Monday, December 20th 2010) we'll have a very beautiful full moon. But, as a normal "rarity", today we'll also have a total moon eclipse. Well, not a rarity at all because every year we have four moon eclipses, tw= o total and two partial. The "rarity" is about tomorrow (Tuesday, December 21th 2010). Tomorrow will= be the Summer Solstice (to the south part of the world) and Winter Solstic= e (to the rest of the planet). And... What about? Well, it is a very rare alignment between the sun, the earth and the moon. That's my point: Does somebody know some kind of effect, noticeable effect,= in the propagation of the radio waves associated with these astronomycal e= vents? ??? Does the moon position have some kind of part with the MW and SW= radio propagation? ??? Thanks for your time!!! And I really wish a very Merry Christmas to all of you!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 20 15:52:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93177 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2010 23:52:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2010 23:52:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2010 23:52:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2010 23:52:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2010 23:52:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:52:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.153 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=tatkl6lcjtYnATyn0qZ471Vv9zSNy1gNqk1Eh_yM9vDV0K_cGg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I had some "hope" from one of the local banks where I've tried to get a loan. The problem is about the "hope" is about the goverment promise (the i= nsurance to the bank), which we "understand" will be a reality before the e= nd of the year. MAYBE!!! Hahahahaha!!! BTW, just a curiosity: Why you don't use the exciter in your station? Do yo= u have a better device to do this? Which? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > Hey all Delta ASE-2 & Manual is still available. nothing wrong with it. h= ave 2 AX10's in cherry condition and just don't need this one. >=20 > any takers? >=20 > Hate to have to go through the BS and Expense of Ebay To Sell it. rather = see someone here get it. > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Dec 20 16:03:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89521 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2010 00:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2010 00:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.140) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2010 00:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP109 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:03:21 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([97.118.42.30]) by BLU0-SMTP109.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:03:21 -0800 To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:03:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101220-1, 12/20/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2010 00:03:21.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A8B80A0:01CBA0A2] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=_LxnB8z3c6TEH0PzG_mMpqYNEaaTjN_jXgr7YpRzE929 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have 2 cherry condition BE AX-10's Could use the money more then the exciter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jota" To: Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available Hi!!! I had some "hope" from one of the local banks where I've tried to get a loan. The problem is about the "hope" is about the goverment promise (the insurance to the bank), which we "understand" will be a reality before the end of the year. MAYBE!!! Hahahahaha!!! BTW, just a curiosity: Why you don't use the exciter in your station? Do you have a better device to do this? Which? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jesús Paredes Guerra From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > Hey all Delta ASE-2 & Manual is still available. nothing wrong with it. > have 2 AX10's in cherry condition and just don't need this one. > > any takers? > > Hate to have to go through the BS and Expense of Ebay To Sell it. rather > see someone here get it. > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Dec 20 16:05:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93428 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2010 00:05:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2010 00:05:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s20.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2010 00:05:17 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP162 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s20.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:05:16 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([97.118.42.30]) by BLU0-SMTP162.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:05:16 -0800 To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:05:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101220-1, 12/20/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2010 00:05:16.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF7DA620:01CBA0A2] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.159 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Philco Model 14L Floor Model AM/SW Rx Avaialble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ptmGp63Sup7JSadc8lRbv49aYIGCDWaLAfdAT1rZkChq X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Great Condition for it's age and it works great. pic's and more info can be found here.... http://denver.craigslist.org/ele/2121380037.html From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Dec 24 09:13:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22015 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2010 17:13:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2010 17:13:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2010 17:13:04 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.67]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LDX0001SZTPVUP5@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:13:03 -0600 (CST) Message-id: To: References: <465745.87263.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBC44A6CE6D4FABB85A141C8B1B2261@mygateway> <87769.79898.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BC3122E.4000304@gmail.com> <8CD4F7ABE5E8190-1D9C-3E2D@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> In-reply-to: <8CD4F7ABE5E8190-1D9C-3E2D@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:13:03 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Subject: Merry Christmas to All! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merry Christmas to everyone on the list!! To people celebrating other traditions, I hope you are also enjoying your holidays - Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 24 09:45:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49908 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2010 17:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2010 17:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.143) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2010 17:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from BLU152-W18 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:45:08 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:45:07 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: ,<465745.87263.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,<5EBC44A6CE6D4FABB85A141C8B1B2261@mygateway>,<87769.79898.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BC3122E.4000304@gmail.com>,<8CD4F7ABE5E8190-1D9C-3E2D@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2010 17:45:08.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E36FB90:01CBA392] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.143 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Merry Christmas to All! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=AUJrzVrOCtz_x9ZSor3GBe4Z312umsad_OnuueIinaH8843GCaJ9tRF1ey8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI Dick, =20 I am so sorry I didn't send you a card, I had fully intended to, but trying= to manage two household is overwhelming to me; I got out about a dozen car= ds for me and about 40 for my mother. =20 Now, getting ready to go to RM; I hope that even though your Christmas Day = will be a somber one, it can be stress free and somewhat enjoyable. =20 For the both of us, this is the first Christmas w/o our dads; fortunately s= ome neighbors of my parents invited us over for dinner; I was dreading just= to two of us eating alone, since my mother is so morose. =20 Talk to you later. =20 DOnn =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: dwtpa97@verizon.net Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:13:03 -0500 Subject: {AMSF} Merry Christmas to All! =20=20 Merry Christmas to everyone on the list!! To people celebrating other tradi= tions, I hope you are also enjoying your holidays - Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 24 13:31:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66444 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2010 21:30:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2010 21:30:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.74) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2010 21:30:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2010 21:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.11] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2010 21:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2010 21:30:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 551703.80327.bm@omp1011.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 82135 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2010 21:30:57 -0000 Message-ID: <42473.79441.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PRcCI1EVM1k4BASA2jsBNwGCoSiocT7ZmLRD_wu9rmIXIcj filOATIrk.8EDFpm.l66aeE0tL0Xx.nrIM6sFJHrTRVEYYMDxskOlgQ21IdB n4nYhrcyYBhhLsFkaBPNpFKUO9b0Rw9yq6jsjmWWgy9czAc__CMXd1F7RNZp 0W8Z98xNiLrkvSEP650objJPhrI0OFau99B91cQvy5tTwfPPHefxng9gEG5q U.kJuShmz_l1tq8TRrxE6BpcrBvL12oON8Mk28VxnkflAbBJ2t7XMlXgJI6X pQyAWLtYqMt8cJTQwCY9tUSTM0iVQJ2TIES3GsdgAnm_jQ2nQUuw5vtoqIde RkfMtXIN2SkRZx3OCxdXtVopfGu6PSR5nHRuOdq5Niz7KgMCo X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:30:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: ,<465745.87263.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,<5EBC44A6CE6D4FABB85A141C8B1B2261@mygateway>,<87769.79898.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BC3122E.4000304@gmail.com>,<8CD4F7ABE5E8190-1D9C-3E2D@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>, Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:30:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.74 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry Christmas to All! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=67iKTX0PAfCVpdN7r-fY9VS9BXc7FGDDPhr666izgrc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Merry Christmas, and Donn, may your dreams be full of FLANNEL! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 24 19:15:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80185 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2010 03:15:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2010 03:15:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2010 03:15:33 -0000 X-Received: from BLU152-W23 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 24 Dec 2010 19:15:34 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 03:15:33 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <42473.79441.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: ,<465745.87263.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,<5EBC44A6CE6D4FABB85A141C8B1B2261@mygateway>,<87769.79898.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BC3122E.4000304@gmail.com>,<8CD4F7ABE5E8190-1D9C-3E2D@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>, ,<42473.79441.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2010 03:15:34.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE7216D0:01CBA3E1] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.160 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Merry Christmas to All! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=XzTtArcwxqRVniottJm1X-h6xvtpJBNpUq6JPGSb3gvcBfAvubu1Ok-GpzE X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Merry Christmas to you, Powell and a happy and healthy 2011. 2010 has not = been good for me, my dad died on the 16th of April and my mother has more o= r less become an invalid, although she is still able to live alone with ass= istance. (mostly from me, so I'm up here - 73 miles from my house 3 - 4 day= s every week). =20 I will probably need to get some flannel sheets; I think they sell them her= e, since this December has been cold, like last winter, there haven't been = any record lows, but many near record lows, but where the records have come= in both last winter and this winter are record low maximums and people in = St. Petersburg have found out that if there are enough cold chilling hours,= tropical plants can get just as damaged as if we had a freeze. There was = one day in January of last year where the low was 43- doesn't sound too bad= (even though it's 9 degrees below normal), but the high that day was only = 47, a new record low maximum and we had plenty of those. =20 If you're familiar with the Ixoria shrub, which flowers all year and I thou= ght they were hardier than the hibiscus........wrong, my poor Ixoria lost n= early all it's leaves and blooms, but was back to normal by May. =20 The autumn fall, the lowest in St. Pete has been 39 degrees, but where my p= arents' house is (north and inland) it has been down to 21 twice......... m= ight as well live in South Carolina!!=20 =20 Hope you have a good Christmas Day and a great 2011! =20 Donn =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: w4opw@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:30:56 -0800 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry Christmas to All! =20=20 Merry Christmas, and Donn, may your dreams be full of FLANNEL! Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 24 19:39:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78914 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2010 03:39:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2010 03:39:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s31.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.170) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2010 03:39:17 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP184 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s31.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 24 Dec 2010 19:39:16 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([97.118.42.30]) by BLU0-SMTP184.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 24 Dec 2010 19:39:16 -0800 To: "am stereo forum" Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:39:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101224-1, 12/24/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2010 03:39:16.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E2CD3B0:01CBA3E5] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: technics st-z400 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=-lj7jKOdZiX6i78BFy4QkjUp0jvkS8U1QypHa08tI2Cy X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd is this am stereo? or just am? it states fm/am stereo not am/fm stereo. From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Dec 25 02:30:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32743 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2010 10:30:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2010 10:30:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.137) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2010 10:30:39 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20101225103038.VNWA7337.nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:30:38 +0000 X-Received: from ian56817f068c9 ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20101225103037.WSKS13035.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:30:37 +0000 To: Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:30:37 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acuj4hdb4ogyEqEaSy6wvV3Gq4yZUwAOoFAg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Message-Id: <20101225103037.WSKS13035.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> X-RPD-ScanID: Class suspect; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150202.4D15C7CE.004F,ss=2,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: qBwyF9P9TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU6nyN7M1lN321jtcNxqPPWEqYKT0X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Merry Christmas to All! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Seasons Greetings from all us recently converted DAB+ fans downunder, where Christmas Day is shortly coming to an end. Beside all commercial, ABC, and SBS AM and FM stations being available in DAB+, in Melbourne we also already have 21 new digital only stations. The federal government recently approved all full power community stations to broadcast in DAB+ as well. Four stations 3CR (the original Community Radio station), 3MBS (Classical Music), PBS (contemporary live and recorded rock), and Light-FM (Christian oriented contemporary music and talk) are already testing on DAB+ and sounding great, although it would seem that the dinosaur that is 3CR is not yet wired for stereo. Happy Christmas! Ian Melbourne From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Dec 25 09:50:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99972 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2010 17:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2010 17:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2010 17:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2010 17:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2010 17:50:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 17:50:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry Christmas to All! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ExcmM_1Z1dUOOqPvIVVjB8LpStm8bkuvTlcqWxq-VqO953cpaB2u0hk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Merry Christmas to all of my AM Stereo friends: has anyone been able to log= any AM STEREO Christmas Music? I'm hoping WLS has some on late tonight? CKWW has some great music playing, but mono - too bad they don't channel it= over to 50KW CKLW and turn on their Harris/CQuam exciter! Best wishes to all, and remember the true spirit of the season. John in Toledo From martinus.jap@gmail.com Sat Dec 25 22:12:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: martinus.jap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87460 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2010 06:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2010 06:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f177.google.com) (209.85.216.177) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2010 06:12:11 -0000 X-Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so7782441qyk.8 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 22:12:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.96.70 with SMTP id g6mr9594642qcn.254.1293343930833; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 22:12:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.229.83.142 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 22:12:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <465745.87263.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBC44A6CE6D4FABB85A141C8B1B2261@mygateway> <87769.79898.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BC3122E.4000304@gmail.com> <8CD4F7ABE5E8190-1D9C-3E2D@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:12:10 +0700 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MJ Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry Christmas to All! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=350528289; y=mJJNnHgxTWWwF0d_E_VJmJjRBySUgYdVjqIJHDNUebBYWGawhw X-Yahoo-Profile: sennosmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Merry Christmas and Happy Prosperous New Year 2011 73 On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Dick W. wrote: > > > Merry Christmas to everyone on the list!! To people celebrating other > traditions, I hope you are also enjoying your holidays - > Dick W. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 26 17:48:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9424 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2010 01:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2010 01:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2010 01:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20101226194749000357800010> for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:47:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4D17F043.5030907@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:47:47 -0600 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:47:49 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} technics st-z400 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=AGGrCF6OLxcLwNSmKoWIjueUkmwsWuJqguLVOH6UNVb4RJuBeC3m X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Probably not. That's how they labeled their stuff. You could check it by firing up one of your exciters and transmitting to it via a wire inserted into the "sample" port. Scott Todd On 12/24/2010 9:39 PM, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote: > is this am stereo? or just am? it states fm/am stereo not am/fm stereo. > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 26 17:51:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60488 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2010 01:51:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2010 01:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2010 01:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20101226195044000620400010> for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:50:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4D17F0F5.1070306@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:50:45 -0600 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:50:44 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry Christmas to All! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=XbJ2KmfoNGDjy8AaKi9VeLEBZIFTKAbH5Cz9gRPX0VvQnG_23HA4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I was bummed to find out WLS didn't play any music this year. A double shame since their signal was much better this year than it was Christmas last year. Scott Todd On 12/25/2010 11:50 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > Merry Christmas to all of my AM Stereo friends: has anyone been able to > log any AM STEREO Christmas Music? I'm hoping WLS has some on late tonight? From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 26 21:24:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58918 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2010 05:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2010 05:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2010 05:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2010 05:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2010 05:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2010 05:24:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 05:24:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.2 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry Christmas to All! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=EJYr64OQbTKDg35QYkWV9CusP3lJhTb6BZN2lVc-Qr2ZSQdQ8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 AMEN!!!!!!! So sorry to the delay. I had problems with my Internet connection. A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love, peace and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MJ wrote: > > Merry Christmas > and > Happy Prosperous New Year 2011 >=20 > 73 >=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Dec 27 09:29:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75338 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2010 17:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2010 17:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2010 17:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP182 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:29:20 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([97.118.42.30]) by BLU0-SMTP182.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:29:19 -0800 To: References: <4D17F043.5030907@usfamily.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:29:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101227-0, 12/27/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2010 17:29:19.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[98265E20:01CBA5EB] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.152 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} technics st-z400 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=3hCAPfkgXg3rTCsrbseAutJzAt5lhdsiV2gXFNlbMh2m X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i cracked it open. it's not. no stereo chip in it and just one small board. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} technics st-z400 > Probably not. That's how they labeled their stuff. You could check it > by firing up one of your exciters and transmitting to it via a wire > inserted into the "sample" port. > > Scott Todd > > On 12/24/2010 9:39 PM, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote: >> is this am stereo? or just am? it states fm/am stereo not am/fm stereo. >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Dec 31 02:42:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49347 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2010 10:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2010 10:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2010 10:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.67]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LEA009EQGEXZA31@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 04:42:35 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <6E41D95BD7D6472E83344FF0ED3B4CAA@RichardPC> To: References: <4D17F043.5030907@usfamily.net> In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 05:42:34 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 From: "Dick W." Subject: OT: Guy Lombardo New Year's Eve X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Off Topic: Back in 1994 I recorded a PBS special =E2=80=9CNew Year=E2=80= =99s Eve with Guy Lombardo=E2=80=9D, which featured the new and old Guy Lom= bardo bands playing some of their signature New Year=E2=80=99s Eve songs. = If there are any old-timers on the list who would like a DVD copy, I=E2=80= =99d be glad to burn one for them at no cost. If anyone is interested, the= y could contact me at dwtpa96 @ verizon .net. Happy New Year=E2=80=99s, everybody! Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Dec 31 19:04:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55739 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2011 03:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2011 03:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f44.google.com) (209.85.161.44) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2011 03:04:00 -0000 X-Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so11819961fxm.31 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:04:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.223.106.134 with SMTP id x6mr3093388fao.73.1293851040076; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:04:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.223.86.135 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:04:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:04:00 -0600 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.44 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: KCSR 610 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=zVceyO-KKXkcVIqW4R_xQc4n1DJTFXXxAMRzfbMNki25R-3eUGpgJIZV X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a short aircheck from Chadrad, Inc's "Stereo 610AM KCSR" Chadron, Nebraska. There is very little in the way of imaging when a live & local DJ is on 6am to 6pm weekdays. I've included a KCSR jingle, weather forecast and a live-announcer voiced Legal ID. The guy giving the weather forecast then the guy talking about the snow fall amounts and "Downtown Dennis Brown" are two different clips actually that I mixed down into 1 file.*ENJOY! http://www.onairdj.com/KCSR.mp3* Paul Walker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 01 10:33:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85727 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2011 18:33:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2011 18:33:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2011 18:30:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2011 17:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2011 17:33:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 17:33:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: MCS 3050 AM Stereo Tuner for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=R9tWLDG5yLQc5VP7RiMPI69-xpCPUXI3r_GpNPo4wRRtnRLGjJcUM6M X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Happy New Year everyone; my new year's resolution is to reduce the number o= f tuners in my radio shack, so I'm going to have to part with this one.=20 One working (Panasonic/JCPenney/MCS) MCS 3050 C-Quam AM Stereo tuner (FMS t= oo) tuner only, no amp, no antennae, and covers from 530-1620 (so no KCJJ).= Wanted to offer it here before putting it up on ebay. You can email me offers. This metal tank will cost about an additional $15 = for shipping. 73's John=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Jan 01 10:36:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13477 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2011 18:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2011 18:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s17.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2011 18:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP131 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:36:16 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([97.118.42.30]) by BLU0-SMTP131.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:36:15 -0800 To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:36:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110101-0, 01/01/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2011 18:36:15.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5CF6EC0:01CBA9E2] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.156 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} MCS 3050 AM Stereo Tuner for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=4XndG08nM4DRYGeQ0DueB1kxta9hfKN5c_I8e0zBC6g5 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd how much and do you have pic's? ----- Original Message ----- From: "toledohamradio" To: Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: {AMSF} MCS 3050 AM Stereo Tuner for Sale > Happy New Year everyone; my new year's resolution is to reduce the number > of tuners in my radio shack, so I'm going to have to part with this one. > One working (Panasonic/JCPenney/MCS) MCS 3050 C-Quam AM Stereo tuner (FMS > too) tuner only, no amp, no antennae, and covers from 530-1620 (so no > KCJJ). Wanted to offer it here before putting it up on ebay. > You can email me offers. This metal tank will cost about an additional $15 > for shipping. > > 73's > John > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Jan 02 01:21:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56067 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2011 09:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2011 09:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f42.google.com) (209.85.161.42) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2011 09:21:04 -0000 X-Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so13557019fxm.15 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:21:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.223.101.140 with SMTP id c12mr2881216fao.16.1293960063220; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:21:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.223.86.135 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 01:21:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 03:21:03 -0600 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: AM Stereo Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=eVI_pvuyhVf7vUmhnkbkPsbknsBngrYxZd1_gnTVymX9jLLKsmX3ziJA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I'm curious if anyone has an AM Stereo Radio that has recording capabilities via cassette that I could "borrow"? I'd be willing to pay for the postage both ways and some small rental fee. I'm looking to have someone out of state aircheck an AM Stereo station for me in Nebraska, I am in Illinois. I would buy a radio, but have no AM Stereo stations around me so it isn't worth it for me. I figure if I'm going to get an aircheck of an AM Stereo station, it should be done on an AM Stereo radio :) Email me privately, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thanks! Paul Walker walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 03 21:23:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70801 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2011 05:23:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2011 05:23:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2011 05:23:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2011 05:23:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2011 05:23:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 05:23:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Radios - WITH cassette recorder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=aGPQxgwCK_pAgI8go53Hk4vrBcK7CxI2X41tbZ1KVe1LQaUh2iRijgY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Paul, I believe that both Sony and Aiwa had models with a cassette recorder with = built-in AMS tuner. If CHRIS CUFF is around, perhaps he can let us know about hardware. In my Canadian AMS journey in 2004, I took an Sony SRF-100 radio and a Sony= MiniDisc recorder (keeping them away from each other to minimize interfere= nce from the MD recorder) and had decent results. John From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jan 04 02:45:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51147 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2011 10:45:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2011 10:45:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f43.google.com) (209.85.161.43) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2011 10:45:19 -0000 X-Received: by fxm18 with SMTP id 18so14530179fxm.2 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 02:45:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.223.108.83 with SMTP id e19mr1110358fap.54.1294137918062; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 02:45:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.223.86.135 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 02:45:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 04:45:18 -0600 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: AM Stereo Radios - WITH cassette recorder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=OqKXEE2dxq8n7ZwHIKjqLUKA6i-cE3dDj8AkjqMGGrD-iihqQSeaQ9fG X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, If I could find an AM Stereo radio with a cassette recorder that wasn't super heavy or super expensive, I'd consider buying one if the reception on it was good. If I found one on Ebay, I'd look at that... Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:17 AM, wrote: > The AM STEREO Forum > > Messages In This Digest (1 Message) > 1a. Re: AM Stereo Radios - WITH cassette recorder <#12d5050c8d0808a2_1a>From: toledohamradio > View All Topics| Create > New Topic > Message > 1a. Re: AM Stereo Radios - WITH cassette recorder > Posted > by: "toledohamradio" toledohamradio@yahoo.com > toledohamradio > Mon Jan 3, 2011 9:23 pm (PST) > > > Paul, > I believe that both Sony and Aiwa had models with a cassette recorder with > built-in AMS tuner. > > If CHRIS CUFF is around, perhaps he can let us know about hardware. > > In my Canadian AMS journey in 2004, I took an Sony SRF-100 radio and a Sony > MiniDisc recorder (keeping them away from each other to minimize > interference from the MD recorder) and had decent results. > > John > > Back to top <#12d5050c8d0808a2_toc> > Reply to sender > | Reply > to group > | Reply > via web post > > Messages in this topic > (4) > Recent Activity > > - 2 > New Members > > Visit Your Group > > Give Back > > Yahoo! for Good > > Get inspired > > by a good cause. > Y! Toolbar > > Get it Free! > > easy 1-click access > > to your groups. > Yahoo! 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ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual| Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group > | Yahoo! > Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 04 23:39:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15414 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2011 07:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2011 07:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2011 07:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2011 07:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2011 07:39:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 07:39:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.38.163.209 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Radios - WITH cassette recorder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=lE8WXGdIBUZ3k3sME-tnYBWI7F2tYPn0cVpu5EJkipwfbDBOWDaZK1qzg5hwclYlVqdugtWE X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I am in Reno Nv. You can have Jeff Deck convert one for you. Ev= en though you don't have any AM STEREO stations in your area the AM STEREO = decoder will make AM mono sound better. Jim Smith from Reno Nv --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > John, >=20 > If I could find an AM Stereo radio with a cassette recorder that wasn't > super heavy or super expensive, I'd consider buying one if the reception = on > it was good. >=20 > If I found one on Ebay, I'd look at that... >=20 > Paul Walker > www.onairdj.com >=20 > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:17 AM, wrote: >=20 > > The AM STEREO Forum > > > > Messages In This Digest (1 Message) > > 1a. Re: AM Stereo Radios - WITH cassette recorder <#12d5050c8d0808a2_= 1a>From: toledohamradio > > View All Topics| Create > > New Topic > > Message > > 1a. Re: AM Stereo Radios - WITH cassette recorder > > Posted > > by: "toledohamradio" toledohamradio@... > > toledohamradio > > Mon Jan 3, 2011 9:23 pm (PS= T) > > > > > > Paul, > > I believe that both Sony and Aiwa had models with a cassette recorder w= ith > > built-in AMS tuner. > > > > If CHRIS CUFF is around, perhaps he can let us know about hardware. > > > > In my Canadian AMS journey in 2004, I took an Sony SRF-100 radio and a = Sony > > MiniDisc recorder (keeping them away from each other to minimize > > interference from the MD recorder) and had decent results. > > > > John > > > > Back to top <#12d5050c8d0808a2_toc> > > Reply to sender > > | Reply > > to group > > | Reply > > via web post > > > > Messages in this topic > > (4) > > Recent Activity > > > > - 2 > > New Members > > > > Visit Your Group > > > > Give Back > > > > Yahoo! for Good > > > > Get inspired > > > > by a good cause. > > Y! Toolbar > > > > Get it Free! > > > > easy 1-click access > > > > to your groups. > > Yahoo! Groups > > > > Start a group > > > > in 3 easy steps. > > > > Connect with others. > > Need to Reply? > > > > Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the > > Daily Digest. > > Create New Topic > > | Visit > > Your Group on the Web > > Messages| > > Files| > > Photos| > > Links > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > > Change settings via the Web(Yahoo! ID r= equired) > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual| Switch > > format to Traditional > > Visit Your Group > > | Yahoo! > > Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > > > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jan 08 14:45:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45650 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2011 22:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2011 22:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2011 22:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2011 22:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2011 22:45:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:45:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Ted Williams X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=O8rftdLR_sX7JK3J0S05-1jbQPy-amZXuqDEZYMJzrSctQkFmA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I have been watching all the clips from NBC and CBS about this guy - Nice t= o read / watch some good news for a chanage especially radio related ! I wonder if he ever said the those important words '...in am stereo' !! Dave UK From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 08 15:50:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49039 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2011 23:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2011 23:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2011 23:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p08NoZ0i001642 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 18:50:35 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c06.7e318c69 (37056) for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 18:50:30 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v129.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB042-90c04d28f84625d; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 18:50:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1444a.4f6a6dd3.3a5a5245@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 18:50:29 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ted Williams X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CS8njMgQxLf5gP4t3s6ilg5l5R5MVIJtkiDqgfQXjAfVMVRYdXTWBVNyZSaKZV37 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe he is setting his career goals too low as just an announcer. With Ted's background with drug and alcohol abuse, he would be fully qualified as a Program Director. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jan 08 18:06:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35604 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2011 02:06:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2011 02:06:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2011 02:06:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 02:06:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 02:06:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 02:06:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1444a.4f6a6dd3.3a5a5245@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ted Williams X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=lOcDdbC7DYxbG4sT-_eKxQ7fG1xWXwuQqfaGAEX3z8IHOgEbPg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I believe he is setting his career goals too low as just an announcer. = =20 > With Ted's background with drug and alcohol abuse, he would be fully qual= ified=20 > as a Program Director. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yes quite am amazing story...I find his Mother rather unfeeling in some way= s...All the emotion when they met was too cringing for me...is nothing priv= ate these days :( From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jan 09 04:09:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15718 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2011 12:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2011 12:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2011 12:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 12:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 12:09:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 12:09:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: How to tell if a SANSUI TU-S77X tuner is an AM STEREO VERSION ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=rlgBabPIf3Fh-qsjBCaJqaczpctsp4bfoKVk664CIcwWPMvi9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Is there the words AMX or am stereo on the front facia can anyone tell me p= lease ?? Dave UK From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jan 09 08:35:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92165 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2011 16:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2011 16:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2011 16:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 16:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 16:34:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:34:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.137 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: How to tell if a SANSUI TU-S77X tuner is an AM STEREO VERSION ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mY2xMCA-Fk29nWg4_s-MEmqPPNtdqxjoAyDDcXtFtq26qOqkxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 No, it isn't an AM Stereo tuner. At least in the version that was sold here= , (Chile, South America). The word "AMX" could be a reference to a very smart internal filter to avoi= d the typical AM noise (specially the noise related to the AC power), but I= 'm not sure. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereofan" wrote= : > > Is there the words AMX or am stereo on the front facia can anyone tell me= please ?? >=20 > Dave > UK > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jan 09 09:03:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17034 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2011 17:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2011 17:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2011 17:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 17:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 17:03:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:03:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Re: How to tell if a SANSUI TU-S77X tuner is an AM STEREO VERSION ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=qQaXW5KEYSmg6MCEpOmS0Qq3r8KVmDzdxomVSUhsi5uB_mO_ng X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > No, it isn't an AM Stereo tuner. At least in the version that was sold he= re, (Chile, South America). >=20 > The word "AMX" could be a reference to a very smart internal filter to av= oid the typical AM noise (specially the noise related to the AC power), but= I'm not sure. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 Ah but there was an am stereo AMX certified version - sorry to disagree :- http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/sansui.html#sansui-tus77amx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvC1OeT6G0T4 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jan 09 10:28:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91105 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2011 18:28:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2011 18:28:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2011 18:28:07 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 18:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 18:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 18:28:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:28:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.252 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: How to tell if a SANSUI TU-S77X tuner is an AM STEREO VERSION ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GNaLtsKtVY2RJzYCDxm2hT9aN6dOyDtdH0FOQ8tCDc4Ca4epUA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 No problem with that. It is absolutely logic that the models they sold here= were different from the models sold in other countries. Whatever, the AMAX standard isn't a rule about AM Stereo only. It is about = the whole quality of the final audio signal (stereo or mono). The unit could be a mono tuner with AMAX specifications. Why not? We used this model but I don't remember too much about the final AM quality= because it was used to "spy" an specific AM station which had a faster "re= sponse time" to some news in a particular "dark" past age here in CHile. Th= is station was and still is in the Chilean Capital (Santiago) 200 kms from = me, and we could "catch" it with an special external aerial array and this = Sansui unit. So, we got some "extra news source" at that time but nobody wa= s worried about the audio quality, Hahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereofan" wrote= : > >=20 > Ah but there was an am stereo AMX certified version - sorry to disagree := - >=20 > http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/sansui.html#sansui-tus77amx >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvC1OeT6G0T4 > From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 09 12:42:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90196 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2011 20:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2011 20:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2011 20:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p09KgHmS021083 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:42:18 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e90.895b317 (37105) for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:42:12 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-d26.mail.aol.com (magic-d26.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.160]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v129.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB083-90f14d2a1da4371; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:42:12 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:42:12 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How to tell if a SANSUI TU-S77X tuner is an AM STEREO VERSION ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=v3IMH7XJlbC-NVVVpwF-4ObBLMnFXrQ2mdRYNHMOnyDGGfc_AsBOTXmghCnbSzYO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually own a Sansui TU-S77A. It's the mono version. I was interested in the TU-77AMS which was the AM stereo version. However, it was not available through AFES catalog and would have costs far more. The TU-S77AMS was an early AM stereo tuner before CQUAM became the standard. It was around about the time of the first AM stereo Walkman which I also owned. The Walkman had a switch to set the AM stereo decoding mode. I do not believe the Sansui did, so I don't know what standard it was based upon. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jan 09 12:49:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3610 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2011 20:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2011 20:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2011 20:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 20:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 20:48:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:48:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: {AMSF} Re: How to tell if a SANSUI TU-S77X tuner is an AM STEREO VERSION ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=8q8Z_vHNjz_Zg5ODq2yy1aXO_1OOfy3IAhR5rqOw6hAn7zeI4w X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Hmm ok all interesting...I would not have known about this tuner anyway if = it was not for noticing a youtube clip from someone in the UK who recorded = the semi local to me France Bleu station on 864 khz usingh his TU-S77AMS=20 Dave Brighton UK --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I actually own a Sansui TU-S77A. It's the mono version. I was intereste= d=20 > in the TU-77AMS which was the AM stereo version. However, it was not=20 > available through AFES catalog and would have costs far more. >=20 > The TU-S77AMS was an early AM stereo tuner before CQUAM became the=20 > standard. It was around about the time of the first AM stereo Walkman wh= ich I also=20 > owned. The Walkman had a switch to set the AM stereo decoding mode. I d= o=20 > not believe the Sansui did, so I don't know what standard it was based up= on. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 13:01:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18341 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2011 21:01:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2011 21:01:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2011 21:01:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2011 21:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2011 21:01:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:01:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: How to tell if a SANSUI TU-S77X tuner is an AM STEREO VERSION ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_cKkYvkYIgL7XA8Q7V94HMhW8JTfKekQls0Q0G2ExwVdY2xvMHWRXwg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I think that the Sansui AM Stereo version had 4 pilot tone encoders to auto= matically switch to the correct decoder, as did the AM Stereo Sony receiver= s sold in Canada (such as the STR-AV470) which decoded all 4 systems withou= t having to flip a switch, and it did light the stereo indicator for an AMS= broadcast, as well as have a nice extrawide I.F. filter. John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 07:01:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3413 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2011 15:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2011 15:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2011 15:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2011 15:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2011 15:01:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:01:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.247 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: How to tell if a SANSUI TU-S77X tuner is an AM STEREO VERSION ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=eBbVHShVqiYqGvhXRtBsnjoTGMtsWGFr-WWdIsaIAMzdOJHQEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Such a pity to me!!! We sold this unit years ago. I didn't know about all its capabilities. Snif= f, sniff. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > I think that the Sansui AM Stereo version had 4 pilot tone encoders to au= tomatically switch to the correct decoder, as did the AM Stereo Sony receiv= ers sold in Canada (such as the STR-AV470) which decoded all 4 systems with= out having to flip a switch, and it did light the stereo indicator for an A= MS broadcast, as well as have a nice extrawide I.F. filter. > John > From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Jan 15 01:22:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96579 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2011 09:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2011 09:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.143) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2011 09:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110115092240.WTNS24865.nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:22:40 +0000 X-Received: from ian56817f068c9 ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110115092240.WHDF25056.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:22:40 +0000 To: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:22:39 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcuxCYVVd+jN1sU4QDSwfHrVHkjocQDguuAA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Message-Id: <20110115092240.WHDF25056.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150205.4D316760.009A,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rh42EtX/TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU6nyN7M7kND21TtcNhOPPGMqZ6z0X4/Qs+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: UK Dave - email address etc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey UK Dave (from Brighton) ... Your phone message via skype last Wednesday evening your time came in loud and clear. I couldn't pick up as I was having a weeks holiday in Sydney. Please try again!!! (I've lost your email address in a recent PC disaster.) Btw ... It is truly amazing that 18 months after the official launch of digital radio in Oz, 2SM is still in mono on DAB+. 2SM has an impressive history. It's callsign was named after St. Mary's Cathedral (adjacent to Hyde Park) as its licence was originally owned by the Catholic Church. It had sensational days in the 60s and 70s when it was Sydney's rock leader, the equivalent to Melbourne's "Me Too 3XY". In recent years, its ratings were so bad that it decided to drop out of the official radio ratings altogether. Yet it calls itself "the Super Network" and simulcasts heaps of its programming to regional stations in NSW and SE Queensland. I quite like listening to it when I can. It's a mix of talkback and music programs. But you'd think that after 18 months someone technical could have plugged in all the cords correctly ... Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 16:23:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65948 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2011 00:23:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2011 00:23:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2011 00:23:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 00:23:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 00:23:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:23:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.137 From: "Jota" Subject: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=WMtRcjZGEWlS1t-WVu4M2Fbd_RqcQ0WFy6rBWtJvepX2X13Pjw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I use the multitrack capabilities of Adobe Audition 1.5 and I decoded an SQ= Quadraphonic song (from a vinil record of course). It is not my senses only (I tested it with more than 5 people), the final r= esult is better than with the standard SQ decoder (Pioneer QX-949 receiver = from the 1970's). So, I guess it is due to the phasing network quality and linearity of the c= ircuit used on the 1970's (the today digital domain tools are better). But, What about this and the AM Stereo? ??? If I'm right and the C-QUAM AM Stereo had some "troubles" with the infamous= platform motion and KAHN AM Stereo had some "troubles" with the stereo sep= aration and high frecuencies rolloff and I'm right about the quality and li= nearity of the analog circuit used at that time, then today with the digita= l domain tools we could/should get an outstanding improvements. Even more, I'm sure the better system would be ISB AM Stereo, if we use dig= ital tools at both sides: TXs and RXs. Just my humble idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 00:38:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5120 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2011 08:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2011 08:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f53.google.com) (209.85.214.53) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2011 08:38:56 -0000 X-Received: by bwg12 with SMTP id 12so440586bwg.40 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:38:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.114.143 with SMTP id e15mr1599490bkq.182.1295512735528; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:38:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.45.140 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:38:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:38:55 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=hmPl4ZvxBZJAlvkIrcxRFo6WgjG9pVwriROOkNKu2uPiFNu7 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, If you know how to program a computer, you could experiment with software defined radio. You can do this by down-converting the RF signal into an Intermediate Frequency. You then feed this down-converted signal into your sound card's stereo line-in. By feeding the quadrature components of the signal into the LEFT and RIGHT parts of the sound card's stereo input, you can sample frequencies equal to the sample rate of your sound card (ie. up to 48Khz if your sound card is sampling at 48Khz). Once you have that signal in the computer, you can demodulate it however yo= u like. This is described in http://www.flexradio.com/Data/Doc/qex1.pdf Dan On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Jota wrote: > > > Hi Gang!!! > > I use the multitrack capabilities of Adobe Audition 1.5 and I decoded an = SQ > Quadraphonic song (from a vinil record of course). > > It is not my senses only (I tested it with more than 5 people), the final > result is better than with the standard SQ decoder (Pioneer QX-949 receiv= er > from the 1970's). > > So, I guess it is due to the phasing network quality and linearity of the > circuit used on the 1970's (the today digital domain tools are better). > > But, What about this and the AM Stereo? ??? > > If I'm right and the C-QUAM AM Stereo had some "troubles" with the infamo= us > platform motion and KAHN AM Stereo had some "troubles" with the stereo > separation and high frecuencies rolloff and I'm right about the quality a= nd > linearity of the analog circuit used at that time, then today with the > digital domain tools we could/should get an outstanding improvements. > > Even more, I'm sure the better system would be ISB AM Stereo, if we use > digital tools at both sides: TXs and RXs. > > Just my humble idea. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 07:42:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70610 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2011 15:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2011 15:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2011 15:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 15:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 15:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 15:35:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:35:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 174.16.218.202 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Swap: Delta ASE-2 for Orban Optimod AM 9100 A/B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=oPIU-Ks4GuBjUX1mzYnwUHzD1M9gVjgxKpRlZykSpb1H X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I am not so much in need of $$$$ now and would be willing to swap my Delta = or a 9100 processor to use with my rangemaster. Mono A/B or stereo A2/B2 version. just needs to be in good condition like the delta is. maybe someone has one kicking around their station not being used and wants= a nice am stereo exciter. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 10:09:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50688 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2011 18:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2011 18:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2011 18:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 18:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 18:09:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:09:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KgkutPqb1_IUUfQiW1tlttYrynNfYNs9f0-OrY9JwceVDAYEe_ZXfYo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yes, with the Motorola Symphony Chipset, and DSP radios, 3rd generation CQU= AM chips eliminated platform motion and added a fade to mono feature. DSP AM Stereo today would be 'sweet' to say the least. 73's John From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 10:20:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20975 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2011 18:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2011 18:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f54.google.com) (209.85.161.54) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2011 18:20:28 -0000 X-Received: by mail-fx0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 16so918470fxm.13 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:20:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.223.79.72 with SMTP id o8mr2570799fak.19.1295547168996; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:12:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from reivanc8e6d344 (67-1-14-36.tcso.qwest.net [67.1.14.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f24sm3253980fak.0.2011.01.20.10.12.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:12:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1CC10196DCE84A5B9E609A9DE6013012@reivanc8e6d344> To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:12:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.54 From: "hank smith" Reply-To: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=BDRERTHG2dQBr59s2BsVnsyUO5pE_ifjTXJHAT_P_jyWT9XYAbdI X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does such a sdr program ixist? also what about sdrs that tune the am 540 to 1700 khz? ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo Yes, with the Motorola Symphony Chipset, and DSP radios, 3rd generation CQUAM chips eliminated platform motion and added a fade to mono feature. DSP AM Stereo today would be 'sweet' to say the least. 73's John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 12:49:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8487 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2011 20:49:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2011 20:49:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2011 20:49:14 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 20:49:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 20:49:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 20:49:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:49:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.13 From: "Jota" Subject: To the Forum in-charge boy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=sLN0T9iOAY8B0jLkV6FaF4cF-OwOdMC5qVpG3-6D8TchrFkhWg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I need to upload a file, but the system tell me that the Forum Files alloca= tion is full. Can you do something about it? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 12:55:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34187 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2011 20:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2011 20:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2011 20:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 20:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2011 20:55:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:55:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.13 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ASOkm2Rq7Dm-ytDmFfy7Uj_DLxF_Wggk_lT8sI_-4yvLg8nRHg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Is it the kind of chips the new Meduci tuners use? ??? And, a last question, thinking ONLY in the local area reception (less than = 50 kilometers), if we used C-QUAM in SW bands with the new digital tricks, = Could we expect fine results? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Yes, with the Motorola Symphony Chipset, and DSP radios, 3rd generation C= QUAM chips eliminated platform motion and added a fade to mono feature. > DSP AM Stereo today would be 'sweet' to say the least. > 73's > John > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 21:30:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75913 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2011 05:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2011 05:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f51.google.com) (209.85.214.51) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2011 05:30:49 -0000 X-Received: by bwz10 with SMTP id 10so1235541bwz.38 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:30:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.55.129 with SMTP id u1mr163660bkg.43.1295587848934; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:30:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.33.5 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:30:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1CC10196DCE84A5B9E609A9DE6013012@reivanc8e6d344> References: <1CC10196DCE84A5B9E609A9DE6013012@reivanc8e6d344> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:30:48 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.51 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=g1qREcS7XP___HggrlIpQPhch4gh1A-03xE00j6U1KL5FILI X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Hank, Sodira is one that I know of. The website has a sampled example of France Bleu sampled off the air that can be fed into the software. You can tune slightly above and below this frequency as well and faintly pick up other stations. Cheers, Dan On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:12 AM, hank smith wrote: > > > does such a sdr program ixist? > also what about sdrs that tune the am 540 to 1700 khz? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: toledohamradio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:09 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo > > Yes, with the Motorola Symphony Chipset, and DSP radios, 3rd generation > CQUAM chips eliminated platform motion and added a fade to mono feature. > DSP AM Stereo today would be 'sweet' to say the least. > 73's > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jan 24 14:28:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61873 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2011 22:28:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2011 22:28:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2011 22:28:20 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110124162748001044300011> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:27:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4D3DFCDB.8010104@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:27:39 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:27:48 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9JoKgncWHksTQcJVHtZ9jFh0yr_fnqt_FTTWqfUXTi9i6xyRcM9q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Speaking of the Symphony chip set, would you happen to know if any part numbers were ever assigned to them and what they might be? These were never production items, to my knowledge. I suppose ON Semiconductor would be the current owner of the production rights? Scott Todd On 1/20/2011 12:09 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > Yes, with the Motorola Symphony Chipset, and DSP radios, 3rd generation > CQUAM chips eliminated platform motion and added a fade to mono feature. > DSP AM Stereo today would be 'sweet' to say the least. > 73's > John From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 23:49:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56751 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2011 07:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2011 07:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2011 07:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2011 07:49:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2011 07:49:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:49:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 94.65.111.56 From: "pdmtr" Subject: A special item on sale? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ZuZnHz4QwTYgInFWEfa5LOfGTQAAm_wSX_MSCwk_9mg X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr there is one quite hard to find AM Stereo item that has been listed at Ebay= ...=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D130476681169=20 From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Thu Jan 27 20:26:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99415 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2011 04:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2011 04:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2011 04:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB2C6C085 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:26:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4D424572.5070205@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:26:26 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=8Hh-yN1cu6C9ufLOaVGMgyIkgkVm8HRq-imdPiUEZp2ICQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst C-QuAM should be good for ground wave SW reception regardless of range. Once a signal goes skywave the phase/amplitude sideband distortion generally present for SW signal is more extreme the higher you go up in frequency and can seriously deteriorate a C-QuAM signal. The digital chips can handle the noise immunity and platform motion issues but asymmetrical phase/amplitude sideband reception becomes a much harder issue to deal with, the kind of distortion usually present in the SW bands. Even Kahn ISB would work better under those conditions. An equally good option would be processing(phasing) the audio for ISB before sending it to a C-QuAM exciter creating an ISB version of C-QuAM for TX. The audio phasers are not that difficult to construct and this would be an ideal option for SW using available equipment. RX would be the reverse using a C-QuAM decoder chip and an audio phaser. These phasers do add cost to a receiver requiring more parts and is a reason why a non ISB type of signal is preferable in the MW band but SW could really benefit from ISB even using a cosine corrected (pre-distorted non-linear) envelope compatible signal. JSG > And, a last question, thinking ONLY in the local area reception (less than 50 kilometers), > if we used C-QUAM in SW bands with the new digital tricks, Could we expect fine results? > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > Juan Jesús Paredes Guerra > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love and hope From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Feb 04 08:57:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62661 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2011 16:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2011 16:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2011 16:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2011 16:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2011 16:57:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:57:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 174.16.218.202 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Delta ASE-2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=T9HFiKMGjGq0HKNbTt-Du_PZeLsuBy31NRRw3wBqIQVq X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Ok Entertaining offers.=20 Respond offline to "kc8gpd*(at)*hotmail* com" with your offer plus shi= pping. pic's can be seen here.... http://denver.craigslist.org/ele/2196875507.html From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Feb 04 09:13:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80146 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2011 17:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2011 17:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.174) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2011 17:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP36 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:13:43 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([174.16.218.202]) by BLU0-SMTP36.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:13:42 -0800 To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:13:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. 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Between Paypal and Ebay their fees come to about 20 percent of profits. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kc8gpd" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 9:57 AM Subject: {AMSF} Delta ASE-2 > Ok Entertaining offers. > > Respond offline to "kc8gpd*(at)*hotmail* com" with your offer plus > shipping. > > pic's can be seen here.... > http://denver.craigslist.org/ele/2196875507.html > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From bratina501@msn.com Wed Feb 09 19:12:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39242 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2011 03:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2011 03:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2011 03:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2011 03:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2011 03:12:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 03:12:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D424572.5070205@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.144 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=ar1lWTMZXCsHnGbfvLydy7LvaysD06lS7hoxRmpukkwEPdUcFw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: > > C-QuAM should be good for ground wave SW reception regardless of > range. Once a signal goes skywave the phase/amplitude sideband > distortion generally present for SW signal is more extreme the > higher you go up in frequency and can seriously deteriorate a > C-QuAM signal. The digital chips can handle the noise immunity > and platform motion issues but asymmetrical phase/amplitude > sideband reception becomes a much harder issue to deal with, the > kind of distortion usually present in the SW bands. Even Kahn ISB > would work better under those conditions. An equally good option > would be processing(phasing) the audio for ISB before sending it > to a C-QuAM exciter creating an ISB version of C-QuAM for TX. The > audio phasers are not that difficult to construct and this would > be an ideal option for SW using available equipment. RX would be > the reverse using a C-QuAM decoder chip and an audio phaser. These > phasers do add cost to a receiver requiring more parts and is a > reason why a non ISB type of signal is preferable in the MW band > but SW could really benefit from ISB even using a cosine corrected > (pre-distorted non-linear) envelope compatible signal. >=20 > JSG >=20 I have always thought for AM stereo on the HF bands the Harris V-CPM system= would be more appropriate as it incorporates synchronous detection as part= of the decoder IC. This is of course commonly used to combat the distortio= n that comes from selective fading on AM transmissions and has been proven = to work quite well over the years. But then again ISB might work for shortw= ave as well however you can only determine so much in theory. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 05:47:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71181 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2011 13:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2011 13:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2011 13:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2011 13:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2011 13:47:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:47:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: AM Stereo Hardware for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=aOAETuAE_ZqIWVUf_VziiCSMoCROU92MNVu-psTlZBhvKMzIicGDqrU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio For Sale: One JCP "MCS" AM Stereo/FM Stereo Tuner - works great - photos available. = 120VAC tuner only (needs your amp and needs a loop antenna). One Chrysler "1st Generation" AM Stereo/Fm Stereo Car radio - photos availa= ble. 12VDC/13.8VDC required as well as speakers & antenna. Radio has stand= ard 'Motorola' antenna receptacle and standard (1985-2000) Chrysler Grey Co= nnector and Black Connector. Both tuners use the MC13020P 1st Generation AM Stereo Tuner Chip. Also, I = considered putting in a wider bandwidth I.F. filter, but have not done so o= n either. Neither tuner/radio covers the expanded band, but does well on t= he rest of the band. Send private email for photos and/or pricing/offer. 73's John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 11:18:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40809 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2011 19:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2011 19:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2011 19:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2011 19:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2011 19:18:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:18:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.52.183 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=sZTU4biFNyI2NdTnW6y6UXayRuQQIrBm5mWcaeOaMZbP71uloA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas" wrote: > >=20 > I have always thought for AM stereo on the HF bands the Harris V-CPM syst= em would be more appropriate as it incorporates synchronous detection as pa= rt of the decoder IC. This is of course commonly used to combat the distort= ion that comes from selective fading on AM transmissions and has been prove= n to work quite well over the years. But then again ISB might work for shor= twave as well however you can only determine so much in theory. > > I can't understand why the international authorities forbade the ISB AM Ste= reo in SW bands if the ISB system is allowed with two different programs. I= t is illogical. Why to allow the system with two different programs and not= to allow it with stereo information? ??? BTW, if someone is interesting about to see a graphical demonstration of IS= B AM Stereo made with the phasing system, just get we can upload files to F= iles menu. I have a simple demo, made with Adobe Audition and the phasing t= ricks the software has. In the left channel of the file, you can find a car= rier (10 kHz) modulated with the L+R audio of the song. In the right channe= l you can find the same carrier but 90 degrees out of phase modulated with = the L-R audio also 90 degrees out of phase. If you join the channels (mono = sum), believe it or not, you will get a very pure ISB AM stereo signal. Unf= ortunately, I don't know how to build a tuner to that carrier, but I guess = there must be someone in this forum who can do it (I mean in the digital do= main). Just try to get more room to the files menu. BTW, Why "AM STEREO" or "FM STEREO"? ??? I mean, most of the time the chara= cteristic (adjective) of the noun is before it (a pretty girl, a good day, = etc). Stereo, in this case, would be the adjective so... the logical would = be "STEREO AM" or "STEREO FM" or "STEREO RECEIVER" etc. Why it is used "AM = STEREO"? ??? BTW, with the quickly response of my local authorities to the earthquake di= saster (2010, Feb, 27), I wonder if I could ask a miracle to re-build all m= y station pains (something like to ask a million of friends which donate, e= ach one, one dollar), Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Fri Feb 11 23:20:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11881 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2011 07:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2011 07:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2011 07:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D1F6C085 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 01:20:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4D5634B3.9000809@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 01:20:19 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=CqTIhj12doNJ2yoh4RIRMvZ_51dbbSKOaj_gBIEkzlN-pg X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >"Jota" >....made with Adobe Audition and the phasing tricks the >software has. In the left channel of the file, you can find a carrier (10 kHz) >modulated with the L+R audio of the song. In the right channel you can find the >same carrier but 90 degrees out of phase modulated with the L-R audio also 90 >degrees out of phase. The detailed method is: matrix the signals into L+R & L-R. Audio phase shift L-R by +90deg@f. Re-matrix them back into L & R. Actually the Left channel will contain: L@+45deg@f & R@-45deg@f and the Right channel will contain: R@+45deg@f & L@-45deg@f. After processing place on a cd transmit it at a C-QuAM AM Stereo station. Shazam! You have a C-ISB signal that can be received with 2 radios tuned to USB & LSB! >I can't understand why the international authorities forbade the ISB AM Stereo in SW >bands if the ISB system is allowed with two different programs. It is illogical. Since when has a bureaucrat ever acted in a logical manner. :-D >"nicholas" bratina501@msn.com bratina501 >I have always thought for AM stereo on the HF bands the Harris V-CPM system would be more appropriate as it >incorporates synchronous detection as part of the decoder IC. This is of course commonly used to combat the distortion that >comes from selective fading on AM transmissions and has been proven to work quite well over the years. But then again >ISB might work for shortwave as well however you can only determine so much in theory. Separating the 2 channels by frequency as in ISB and not by phase during transmition is always better. When selective fading occurs with ISB the Eq and phase of each channel can be affected and will show itself as spatial effects in the listening area but separation is not lost. With a quam type of signal both channels are in each sideband but are separated by phase and when this signal is distorted by fading channel separation is lost and platform motion can occur. If synchronous detection is used there will be no distortion but if a envelope detector is used with a predistorted sideband signal distortion will be present. From best to worst for distortion: ISB/QuAM, C-ISB, C-QuAM and for separation: ISB, C-ISB, QuAM, C-QuAM. Most people wouldn't tell the difference on regular program material if C-ISB & C-QuAM were detected as ISB & QuAM respectively so transmitting an envelope compatible signal and synchronously detecting it during poor signal conditions is a very practical solution. The distortion from the synchronously detected envelope compatible signal would be less than envelope detector distortion caused by interference/fading. Here is a diagram of how the 4 different modulation modes are interrelated: http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/QuadMod-4Way.gif JSG From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Feb 12 18:53:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10516 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2011 02:53:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2011 02:53:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2011 02:53:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2011 02:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2011 02:53:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:53:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D5634B3.9000809@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.205 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=JohqdbTRpn29iutTcyOjf2u8JIz0ur79kvTlZGYBSdMF71ZNDA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: > >=20 > The detailed method is: matrix the signals into L+R & L-R. Audio phase=20 > shift L-R by +90deg@f. Re-matrix them back > into L & R. Actually the Left channel will contain: L@+45deg@f &=20 > R@-45deg@f and the Right channel will contain: R@+45deg@f & L@-45deg@f.=20 > After processing place on a cd transmit it at a C-QuAM AM Stereo=20 > station. Shazam! > You have a C-ISB signal that can be received with 2 radios tuned to USB=20 > & LSB! >=20 >=20 Hi!!! Just a curious: Why Kahn made his system with a -45 degrees to the L+R and = +45 degrees to the L-R differences? Why not to use L+R in-phase (0=C2=BA) a= nd L-R +90 degrees shifted? ??? I tested it (in the same way I did with the 0=C2=BA to the L+R and +90=C2= =BA to the L-R) and I got noticeable less separation. I don't understand wh= y, but it was that way. Any idea about? > > > Since when has a bureaucrat ever acted in a logical manner. :-D >=20 >=20 Maybe... someday... when the elephants fly... GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sun Feb 13 09:07:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74996 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2011 17:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2011 17:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2011 17:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF226C085 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:07:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4D580FD3.10301@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:07:31 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=qrDx83RqhICPqzpWrlbMRSrILwidgaRWkILhzaz-pr0GoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst In the digital domain it is more efficient to phase shift only L-R by 90º and maybe more accurate depending on the software used. In the analog domain a 90º shift for a single channel is very impractical if not impossible so the solution is to shift both channels, L+R & L-R, in the same direction but start the phase change of one of the channels a little later in the movement through the frequency range so they will be 90º apart over the desired range. Kahn just describes the shifting as ±45° since both channels are being phase shifted, but in reality this is not technically correct if he is using this type of analog phase shifter. To picture this the plotting of Sine & Cosine is a good representation of what is happening but think of the time axis as both the time & frequency axis, in time the constant phase difference of 90° between Sine & Cosine and in frequency as both Sine & Cosine move through the frequency range. Another example would be the DNA double helix. For a 4 stage phase shifter each stage provides 180° of shift so at the top end of the frequency range of the phase shifter a full 720° of shift occurs. Here is a schematic of of a 4 stage phase shift network: http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/AMS-ISBphaser.gif And here is the phase difference plot: http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/150-12.8K-Phase.gif These analog phase shift networks have one distinct advantage. In program material harmonics that ride atop fundamental tones add to the total amplitude of the signal. After passing through the phase shifter most of the harmonics have been shifted off of the peaks of the fundamentals thereby reducing the peak amplitude without reducing the loudness of the signal. Think of it as a peak clipper without any actual clippings of the peaks. I think Kahn marketed a product for mono transmittion called Symetra-Peak that did just this. ©2011 - JSG "Jota" >Hi!!! >Just a curious: Why Kahn made his system with a -45 degrees to the L+R >and +45 degrees to the L-R differences? Why not to use L+R in-phase (0º) >and L-R +90º degrees shifted? I tested it (in the same way I did with the 0º >to the L+R and +90º to the L-R) and I got noticeable less separation. >I don't understand why, but it was that way. Any idea about? From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 16:19:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30792 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2011 00:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2011 00:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2011 00:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2011 00:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2011 00:19:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:19:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D580FD3.10301@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.247 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=EIA6aGwiWWk06JmKQyUBGq11EFkwi_PKIemka39x543qTA-39g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! In other words, if we use an analog to digital converter at the audio input= , then we make the well-known matrix L+R and L-R, then we shift +90=BA the = L-R signal and then we convert it into analog again and then amplitud modul= ate the 0=BA carrier with the L+R signal and the +90=BA carrier with the L-= R, then we will get a "perfect" ISB AM Stereo signal!!! Well, "perfect" into all the modulation stage limitations. I wonder if we could do all the process (audio matrix and phasing, carrier = generation and phasing, and, finally, the modulation stage) all in the digi= tal domain and then, only when we get the pure ISB signal, convert it to th= e analog domain. Why not? Is it too much expensive? Is it too much complica= ted? ??? The only one problem is... the original Kahn system leaves the Left audio c= hannel on the LSB and the Right audio channel on the USB. We get the opposi= te with the previous described approach: the Right channel on the LSB and t= he Left channel on the USB. We should invert the L-R signal (-L+R) to get t= he "normal" Left to the LSB and Right to the USB. Occupational hazards, my = friend, Hahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: > > In the digital domain it is more efficient to phase shift only L-R by=20 > 90=BA and maybe more accurate depending on the software used. In the=20 > analog domain a 90=BA shift for a single channel is very impractical if=20 > not impossible so the solution is to shift both channels, L+R & L-R, in=20 > the same direction but start the phase change of one of the channels a=20 > little later in the movement through the frequency range so they will be= =20 > 90=BA apart over the desired range. Kahn just describes the shifting as=20 > =B145=B0 since both channels are being phase shifted, but in reality this= is=20 > not technically correct if he is using this type of analog phase=20 > shifter. To picture this the plotting of Sine & Cosine is a good=20 > representation of what is happening but think of the time axis as both=20 > the time & frequency axis, in time the constant phase difference of 90=B0= =20 > between Sine & Cosine and in frequency as both Sine & Cosine move=20 > through the frequency range. Another example would be the DNA double=20 > helix. For a 4 stage phase shifter each stage provides 180=B0 of shift so= =20 > at the top end of the frequency range of the phase shifter a full 720=B0= =20 > of shift occurs. >=20 > Here is a schematic of of a 4 stage phase shift network: > http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/AMS-ISBphaser.gif > And here is the phase difference plot: > http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/150-12.8K-Phase.gif >=20 > These analog phase shift networks have one distinct advantage. In=20 > program material harmonics that ride atop fundamental tones add to the=20 > total amplitude of the signal. After passing through the phase shifter=20 > most of the harmonics have been shifted off of the peaks of the=20 > fundamentals thereby reducing the peak amplitude without reducing the=20 > loudness of the signal. Think of it as a peak clipper without any actual= =20 > clippings of the peaks. I think Kahn marketed a product for mono=20 > transmittion called Symetra-Peak that did just this. >=20 > =A92011 - JSG >=20 >=20 From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sun Feb 13 21:24:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55785 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2011 05:24:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2011 05:24:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2011 05:24:29 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD4F6C085 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:24:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4D58BC8C.9010602@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:24:28 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: SQ Quadraphonic Decoding and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=ST7P9XR3bi_C23H55qny2wVpivCMS6I8zRm24Y2u0QTCmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >"Jota" jotape1960@yahoo.com >The only one problem is... the original Kahn system leaves >the Left audio channel on the LSB and the Right audio >channel on the USB. We get the opposite with the previous >described approach: the Right channel on the LSB and the >Left channel on the USB. We should invert the L-R signal >(-L+R) to get the "normal" Left to the LSB and Right to the >USB. Occupational hazards, my friend, Hahahahaha!!! According to the Kahn exciter diagram it is L+R@-45º@f and L-R@+45º@f and the example given is L+R@0º@f and L-R@+90º@f which in both cases puts L-R leading L+R by 90º@f. In both cases this would put the Left on the LSB and the Right on the USB. >I wonder if we could do all the process (audio matrix and phasing, >carrier generation and phasing, and, finally, the modulation stage) >all in the digital domain and then, only when we get the pure ISB >signal, convert it to the analog domain. Why not? Is it too much >expensive? Is it too much complicated? ??? To do it all in the digital domain would require some sort of digital carrier modulator to make it worthwhile otherwise the next approach is more practical. The only difference between a regular [C-]QuAM signal and a [C-]ISB signal is the audio phase shift processing. The cheapest method if an AM Stereo station already exists with perhaps a C-QuAM exciter is to audio phase shift the program material and put it on cd and then broadcast it. If it is a C-QuAM exciter I would recommend increasing the gain of L-R by 20-25% before re-matrixing it back to L & R to overcome the effect of the 'C-(compatible)' in C-QuAM as the process naturally reduces sideband separation on average by 20-25% depending on modulation levels. This all requires that the audio pathways for both L & R are both phase and amplitude matched at the studio for good separation to be maintained. As a musician through artistic license applying any type of sound effects to your music including phase shifting for ISB is acceptable so an existing AM Stereo C-QuAM station could transmit a C-ISB signal if the program material already had the phase shifting applied. Someone commented in this forum at one time that C-QuAM was approved for the SW bands in the US. If this is so then broadcasting a C-ISB signal on SW with this method is also possible. As of this date though I know of no SW station broadcasting in C-QuAM in the US. There seems to be a dearth of US SW stations in general. ©2011 - JSG From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Feb 17 11:24:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48197 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2011 19:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2011 19:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2011 19:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2011 19:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2011 19:24:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:24:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 174.16.223.147 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE2 CQuAM Exciter Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=8dGodFkm3jaRDUDaeNSKuC2c5MqU9I0n7tpcxPy-tcwm X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Still trying to get this gone. $400.00 plus shipping. paypal accepted willi= ng to ship international. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > Hey all Delta ASE-2 & Manual is still available. nothing wrong with it. h= ave 2 AX10's in cherry condition and just don't need this one. >=20 > any takers? >=20 > Hate to have to go through the BS and Expense of Ebay To Sell it. rather = see someone here get it. > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 24 10:48:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42272 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2011 18:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2011 18:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.80) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 18:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2011 18:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.25] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2011 18:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2011 18:48:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 209651.16859.bm@omp1025.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 80546 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2011 18:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.19.159.33 with login) by smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 10:48:39 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: P8IdPEcVM1nnufrpL71x4InyvShdtdfLyUC9Jim0rAPmD4q 1rScVuidBQ1m0.E6LcL1B1QJYTtfp63Qy_HkltNYGqnqGYxtgDsa.BOs4z5j lzObfEo1F2GguoxEM704FsVcYmpTx7dhq9kPoJHzTmFWvWdU2ZmEQRWlbmPN Iu8STcr5_jEqtJ0Gr60utxf0.ACRncCFfTlCZIkZZGG.jqjC10VCWm8ECqTD t X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <286EFD6B2A6A4688AFDED6ED057FB12E@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:48:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=YVDqn31nF_4DOEzvn2wmAMxur82Nm9j3LMF-P0_LBKWqsuoJYH2COZvZS2TM6383S0bLl2_d X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was just thinking about how long AM STEREO has been on the air. I beleave March will mark 29 years that AM STEREO has been on the air in the U.S .March 2011 will be the 30th year. Jim Smith Listening to my A.L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Feb 24 13:29:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40281 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2011 21:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2011 21:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173017pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.17) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 21:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.67]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LH500IK850W7N70@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:29:23 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <820793DC21F441C39C18D906D3FEFAE4@RichardPC> To: References: <286EFD6B2A6A4688AFDED6ED057FB12E@jim3slp85ju21o> In-reply-to: <286EFD6B2A6A4688AFDED6ED057FB12E@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:29:23 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.17 From: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a shame the FCC didn=E2=80=99t mandate it. If they had, all or most o= f the stations would would be AM stereo now. And it really sounded good! Dick W. From: jim smith=20 Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:48 PM To: am stereo forum=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Subject: {AMSF} Just one year to go!!! =20=20 Hi Gang I was just thinking about how long AM STEREO has been on the air. I= beleave March will mark 29 years that AM STEREO has been on the air in the= U.S .March 2011 will be the 30th year. Jim Smith Listening to my A.L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 24 20:39:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15753 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2011 04:39:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2011 04:39:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 04:39:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2011 04:39:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2011 04:39:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:39:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <820793DC21F441C39C18D906D3FEFAE4@RichardPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.71.158 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=9RSraFOq89QUQYMqu1Qow9TAAST085ZR-hoRLpGo8t0HK-zoGY6amCfRrCwZhzEmVMMMArM0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net hi I toldly agree with you that one. If thay just stayed put with the Magn= avox AM Stereo we would have lots of AM STEREO stations. And yes if there = was any bugs to fix thay would have fixed them just like with C-QuAm AM STE= REO. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > What a shame the FCC didn=E2=80=99t mandate it. If they had, all or most= of the stations would would be AM stereo now. And it really sounded good! > Dick W. >=20 >=20 > From: jim smith=20 > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:48 PM > To: am stereo forum=20 > Cc: jim smith=20 > Subject: {AMSF} Just one year to go!!! >=20 >=20=20=20 > Hi Gang I was just thinking about how long AM STEREO has been on the air.= I beleave March will mark 29 years that AM STEREO has been on the air in t= he U.S .March 2011 will be the 30th year. Jim Smith Listening to my A.L >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 21:30:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84157 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2011 05:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2011 05:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 05:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2011 05:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2011 05:30:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:30:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.40 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bX1wMXZyhB84mCp4sQFOMYfwCiLF4JyXlbe6lrd8vKuDWAmndA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder what would be happened if the recording industry copyrights and ro= yalties war had been one or two decades after the AM stereo war... Because, we can't forget the AM stereo drama was, in a great part, a result= of the "no music" political from the broadcasters part. Thanks God I live in Chile, South America, where we can still listen a lot = of good music IN AMPLITUDE MODULATION!!! Even more, as I could test last weekend, there still are places where the F= Ms can't reach and the AMs are still the only one mass communication servic= e working. Yeah!!! LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG (STEREO) AM!!!!!!! (Leave the digital into the studio) GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > hi I toldly agree with you that one. If thay just stayed put with the Ma= gnavox AM Stereo we would have lots of AM STEREO stations. And yes if ther= e was any bugs to fix thay would have fixed them just like with C-QuAm AM S= TEREO. Jim Smith >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > > > What a shame the FCC didn=E2=80=99t mandate it. If they had, all or mo= st of the stations would would be AM stereo now. And it really sounded goo= d! > > Dick W. > >=20 > >=20 > > From: jim smith=20 > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:48 PM > > To: am stereo forum=20 > > Cc: jim smith=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} Just one year to go!!! > >=20 > >=20=20=20 > > Hi Gang I was just thinking about how long AM STEREO has been on the ai= r. I beleave March will mark 29 years that AM STEREO has been on the air in= the U.S .March 2011 will be the 30th year. Jim Smith Listening to my A.L > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 25 14:22:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58255 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2011 22:22:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2011 22:22:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 22:22:21 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110225162205002636800011> for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:22:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4D682B83.5020601@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:21:55 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:22:05 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110225-1, 02/25/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GujpHBLphnxXOjRz3lx_oj9F5mm0DC9ewo4UEABYurLVqRXN91DE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 2/24/2011 10:39 PM, jim smith wrote: > hi I toldly agree with you that one. If thay just stayed put with the > Magnavox AM Stereo we would have lots of AM STEREO stations. And yes if > there was any bugs to fix thay would have fixed them just like with > C-QuAm AM STEREO. Jim Smith We would have been the only nation using it. Everywhere else in the world it was approved they chose Motorola. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 25 15:48:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9616 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2011 23:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2011 23:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2011 23:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2011 23:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2011 23:48:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:48:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D682B83.5020601@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.222 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=VFSecvc8aI21bfW_Dkk0NoJAmr5tkQyKjEHRN7qbBNFkgDdAXw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 2/24/2011 10:39 PM, jim smith wrote: > > hi I toldly agree with you that one. If thay just stayed put with the > > Magnavox AM Stereo we would have lots of AM STEREO stations. And yes if > > there was any bugs to fix thay would have fixed them just like with > > C-QuAm AM STEREO. Jim Smith >=20 >=20 > We would have been the only nation using it. Everywhere else in the=20 > world it was approved they chose Motorola. >=20 > Scott Todd > Hahahahaha!!! I wonder how much power has the money, hahahahaha!!! BTW, I wonder if a typical C-Quam tuner can get a full stereo signal from a= Magnavox signal? ??? At last, Where in the web world is the full C-Quam to ISB converter (decode= r)? ??? I mean, the device (not the circuit) to decode an ISB signal with a= C-Quam decoder. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 25 17:46:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20148 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2011 01:46:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2011 01:46:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2011 01:46:08 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110225194557000670200011> for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:45:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4D685B4C.5050705@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:45:48 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:45:57 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110225-1, 02/25/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=2bzkzDka7ZzQiRAZYFci5ZE-WNN6mPgMoj5YAxgErcWUgvtrTc39 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > > I wonder how much power has the money, hahahahaha!!! > > BTW, I wonder if a typical C-Quam tuner can get a full stereo signal > from a Magnavox signal? ??? > > At last, Where in the web world is the full C-Quam to ISB converter > (decoder)? ??? I mean, the device (not the circuit) to decode an ISB > signal with a C-Quam decoder. Undoubtedly they had more money to throw around than anyone else, but they also had pretty shrewd marketing by making their chips available far more cheaply than anyone else's. Even when there was no standard CQUAM became a defacto standard in this country on that alone. Scott Todd From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 26 19:21:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93492 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2011 03:20:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2011 03:20:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2011 03:20:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2011 03:20:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2011 03:20:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 03:20:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.44.202.15 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=eOkT25ID0MUk6rS8orWdNVuvBstCKvfSaQ32rP-v0MY7JISuF6jrU9joj1AVWec3wf83Dps3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Jaun If you go You Tube and put in WOWO AM 1190 you will find some very= nice sounding AM STEREO. The story behind that was before the standerd was= set WOWO AM 1190 was useing the Magnavox system but they bradscasted two d= iferant pilot tones one for the Motorola system and one for the Magnavox sy= stem. Those clips where recorded with the Realistic TM 152 AM AM STEREO Tun= er reciveing the Mangnavox AM STEREO. Those chips sound great. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > > > On 2/24/2011 10:39 PM, jim smith wrote: > > > hi I toldly agree with you that one. If thay just stayed put with the > > > Magnavox AM Stereo we would have lots of AM STEREO stations. And yes = if > > > there was any bugs to fix thay would have fixed them just like with > > > C-QuAm AM STEREO. Jim Smith > >=20 > >=20 > > We would have been the only nation using it. Everywhere else in the=20 > > world it was approved they chose Motorola. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > > >=20 > Hahahahaha!!! >=20 > I wonder how much power has the money, hahahahaha!!! >=20 > BTW, I wonder if a typical C-Quam tuner can get a full stereo signal from= a Magnavox signal? ??? >=20 > At last, Where in the web world is the full C-Quam to ISB converter (deco= der)? ??? I mean, the device (not the circuit) to decode an ISB signal with= a C-Quam decoder. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 22:54:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75731 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2011 06:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2011 06:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2011 06:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2011 06:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2011 06:54:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 06:54:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D685B4C.5050705@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.118 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=OYFSWOLwpYOX0XCvwg6UFb-QPpcjzhpwihJ7Dw2PZdiYQnRtAg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > >=20 > Undoubtedly they had more money to throw around than anyone else, but=20 > they also had pretty shrewd marketing by making their chips available=20 > far more cheaply than anyone else's. Even when there was no standard=20 > CQUAM became a defacto standard in this country on that alone. >=20 >=20 > Scott Todd > Hi Scott!!! I wonder if there was/is a chip specifically made to decode ISB AM Stereo. = ??? And I wonder, if today we have enough digital tools, at reasonable price, W= hy most of the tuners are still far away from there? ??? I mean, Why not to use digital decoders and noise reductors? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope (and remembering an= d honoring the lost brothers and sisters from the one year after earthquake= ) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 23:19:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18559 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2011 07:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2011 07:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2011 07:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2011 07:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2011 07:19:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 07:19:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D685B4C.5050705@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: AM Stereo CHIP Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_yYFEnH0CW97qCFieg7CgFGJOYm7X7eZxnRscDl-evArLLrtKfMpyso X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio That was the one problem with Kahn's ISB was lack of hardware chips for exp= erimenters, and Kahn's expensive to intall hardware. The Motorola MC13020P chip was easily available to us experimenters in the = day, and of course decoded C-Quam and its 25Hz pilot tone, and with another= 3 chips you could decode Harris rather well too. Eventually Harris change= d their mode to match CQuam with a 25Hz tone too, and likewise, Magnavox sw= itched from 5Hz to 25Hz for reception as well. National Semiconductor made= a chip (NS1981 maybe?) that took a big ole inductor, but decoded Magnavox = decently. All were standard DIP chips that worked well in ProtoBoards. Sony's chipset wasn't designed for the experimenter, and was surface mount;= however, it was optomized for Magnavox, and with a switch it would decode = Kahn; the original version had NO pilot tone decoding either so it would de= code any Quam AM stereo. Eventually, they made some really nice home AV ste= reo AMP receivers (sold only in Canada and Australia) that automatically de= coded the pilot tones from ALL 4 SYSTEMS and had a 2step I.F. filter and 10= KHz filter! Top notch (pun intended). If Chris Cuff could chime in, in addition to the Sony AM Stereo chipset, th= e rare National chip, and the Motorola chip, there was another chip or two = to decode AMS; maybe he can elaborate. Later, Motorola would issue a 2nd generation AMS chipset MC13022 used in th= e top-notch Chrysler radios, and then a 3rd generation MC13028 which was su= per sweet with a blend to mono feature and no platform motion. They (Moto) = also had a real POS all-in-one AMS portable chincy chip (MC13024?) that was= real dogmeat and fussy, but worked. Dick Smith Electronics company in Australia made a really nice AMS stereo d= ecoder kit that worked on both Motorola and Harris, and I used it to receiv= e WSM or WHAS (forgot which) and CKLW in decent Harris. 1983 was one great fun year to work on AM stereo decoders, as the number of= AM Stereo stations FAR exceeded the list of IBOC HD AM stations; AND; nigh= t time was spectacular for DXing WSM in stereo AM! Almost ALL the Clear 1A'= s had stereo AM, and MANY regional/locals did too! I'll take that Marty McF= ly time machine now! Regards, John From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 27 14:36:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17497 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2011 22:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2011 22:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2011 22:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110227163610000069700011> for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:36:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4D6AD1D8.4010406@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:36:08 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:36:10 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110227-1, 02/27/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=df6CtQHjuldzPKQMpMRsftT5e0YV8lrLWw6XxBY3s_GfivNkUN7B X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 2/27/2011 12:54 AM, Jota wrote: > I wonder if there was/is a chip specifically made to decode ISB AM > Stereo. ??? > > And I wonder, if today we have enough digital tools, at reasonable > price, Why most of the tuners are still far away from there? ??? > > I mean, Why not to use digital decoders and noise reductors? ??? > I doubt there was ever a chip made exclusively for ISB though there were a few multimode decoders. As for using digital demodulation, it's certainly possible, but you have to keep the digital section extremely well shielded or it interferes with the very signals you're trying to receive. Not sure how much it would cost, but it would be a lot more than a dedicated demodulator chip. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Feb 27 20:19:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18607 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2011 04:19:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2011 04:19:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2011 04:19:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2011 04:19:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2011 04:19:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 04:19:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D6AD1D8.4010406@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.105 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=OapA48eg6Uz1gCTgeWBvj3N9xlv47ofC9giptIaG2eU-Ui7B7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > >=20 > I doubt there was ever a chip made exclusively for ISB though there were= =20 > a few multimode decoders. As for using digital demodulation, it's=20 > certainly possible, but you have to keep the digital section extremely=20 > well shielded or it interferes with the very signals you're trying to=20 > receive. Not sure how much it would cost, but it would be a lot more=20 > than a dedicated demodulator chip. >=20 > Scott Todd > I guess we can produce ISB, with the phasing method, using an standard PC (= with the appropiate digital to analog converter unit, to get the final anal= og result), and it should be easy and non-expensive. And I'm 100% sure the = final result would be strongly better than C-Quam. The great question is if= there is something similar to decode it. I mean something like the phasing= method which we could handle into the digital domain. Nobody has experimen= ted with that? The other associated question is... if it would be a good idea to use a Per= sonal Computer (a very, very, very powerful machine) to make ONLY that job/= work. This is the reason because I asked about a dedicated chip or device. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 15:46:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54705 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2011 23:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2011 23:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2011 23:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2011 23:46:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2011 23:46:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:46:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D6AD1D8.4010406@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.53.95 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=LgVfr1SVeeVcK-a2nA8Zbm88IPfx9SzNYwLQz9rO_qx9EZ05UA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > I doubt there was ever a chip made exclusively for ISB though there were = a few multimode decoders.... > > > Scott Todd > Can you tell me about the specific models of those multimode chips, please?= I want to look for them. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 01 07:24:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59767 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2011 15:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2011 15:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm17.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.52.214) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2011 15:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.197] by nm17.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2011 15:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.155] by tm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2011 15:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2011 15:23:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 978149.47504.bm@omp1038.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 56711 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2011 15:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.38.62.187 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Mar 2011 07:23:58 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: 3Mpt7xsVM1kvVvFjxkIIdWwdIuqWO8.CW_JtV0nz0.7eJVg Xa3vwafw2awGT9eFWzciWf4DgEeRGFS_S90BH0g8dErx70H8dPgsl5_.eRnV 3tCiziqucZo3outNn0jVhxsVH7Hhbefbsr32RhAXWnNoSDS9zIjs26nmwBD0 NbXUOkwzCuVM4PUT7mS39o3vpFGaACht4gx.Ax1nBcYibC.8Lebkt7b3GNIQ 6uRx2PpCKb.CCloexixu7EU_ALgng3Us9xiIfY5jWTm9VwCSdWEq_OvmOTPy fRGQa9u3NYkKq9hOhFOvJ20XgYGCR9qe.R109hOhkk5Ah3c6VzHj7NRaiKB4 v X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <23BEF7B96E4E49BF8029849586B8E6E0@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <4D682B83.5020601@usfamily.net> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 07:23:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.52.214 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Just one year to go!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=kEjPYSux3WktEo3Znk3xSz9VH676_2Yj4V6S4JlmKzlG354VkHFedP3D_DXTFNxlvC-g36iK X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scott I think that if the FCC stayed with Magnavox in 1980 that would have been the global wide standard. It all started hear in the U.S . Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Just one year to go!!! On 2/24/2011 10:39 PM, jim smith wrote: > hi I toldly agree with you that one. If thay just stayed put with the > Magnavox AM Stereo we would have lots of AM STEREO stations. And yes if > there was any bugs to fix thay would have fixed them just like with > C-QuAm AM STEREO. Jim Smith We would have been the only nation using it. Everywhere else in the world it was approved they chose Motorola. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Tue Mar 01 19:48:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70791 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2011 03:48:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2011 03:48:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2011 03:48:25 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C67F6C085 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 21:48:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4D6DBE07.6060903@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 21:48:23 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: ISB & AM Stereo CHIPs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=z5SfJ7pvb_W98DdoZxOnbbj4UGXWgm8HPT6x7UMKpO3x-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst In using the phasing method for ISB it is the matrix processing of the audio, offsetting L-R by +90°@f in relation to L+R, that separates each channel's fundamental tones into the upper and lower sidebands. What type of modulator used determines the kind of harmonics generated in the sidebands for envelope compatibility. For all the systems, Motorola®, Magnavox® and Kahn®, except for Harris®, harmonics are produced asymmetrically on both upper and lower sidebands during single channel modulation of an audio signal phased for ISB transmission. Whether a [C-]QuAM or Mangnavox® exciter is used for transmission and a decoder chip of [C-]QuAM or Mangnavox style for reception fair channel separation will occur with minimal/acceptable audible distortion on regular program material. Only when the encoding and decoding are mathematically identical will you have complete separation with no distortion, within reasonable hardware and/or signal quality limitations. Using existing hardware, audio processing for ISB prior to sending the signal to the exciter for transmission and audio processing the detected audio at the receiver, is the easiest solution. Right now the most plentiful stereo hardware for both transmission and reception is C-QuAM®, so a C-QuAM® version would now be the most logical choice for ISB. The cost of the audio phasing filters, more so for reception that transmission, has been one of the determining factors in why ISB was not readily adopted. Even the though the parts cost is not exorbitant, it still adds cost to a radio, calibration is probably more costly time wise. Now days modern manufacturing can use laser trimming for filter calibration making production easier, and the parts, op-amps, resistors, and capacitors are some of the cheapest components. For a long time the transmission and reception method for Kahn ISB® was not mathematically identical but a best practice implementation was used for a 2 radio approach or a dedicated ISB receiver. This may have been addressed though later. Originally/now? Kahn used linear phase modulation, à la Magnavox®, adding a 2nd harmonic component to the L-R signal for transmission but for reception in a dedicated receiver a partially envelope demodulated signal detected with a quasi~C-QuAM® synchronous detector was used. In some ways it seems like the transmitted signal roughly emulated a linear ISB signal with quasi~cosine correction applied and using a C-QuAM® decoder with audio phasing filters would produce respectable signal reception. In many ways the inverse modulator used in Kahn decoding and cosine corrector had similarities. There were some feelings expressed that the cosine corrector was a quasi~implementation of the inverse modulator. This difference in TX/RX for Kahn ISB® in regards to the L-R mod/demod method shows that all of the systems have more similarities than differences and using [C-]QuAM or linear PM style L-R detection for any of the signals will produce respectable results. Both SONY®(linear PM) and Sansui®(QAM) have demonstrated this in their 4-Way decoders, while requiring extra audio phasing for an ISB signal. Whatever decoding chip available, decoding C-QuAM® without cosine correction will still provide a very listenable signal. It's a shame that since all of the systems had many similarities that the FCC didn't just derive a system that used the best of all of the approaches. ISB being one of the features. ©2011 - JSG From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Mar 01 20:18:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40639 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2011 04:18:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2011 04:18:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2011 04:18:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2011 04:18:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2011 04:18:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 04:18:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D6DBE07.6060903@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.187 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: ISB & AM Stereo CHIPs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Yan_wtpUgsv0zYuGc4Bq_Ay9J1vhyqvG_orV8avhjdNCOupbbg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: > > In using the phasing method for ISB it is the matrix processing of the au= dio, offsetting L-R by +90=EF=BF=BD@f in relation to L+R, that separates ea= ch channel's fundamental tones into the upper and lower sidebands.... > > In other words, a digital C-Quam decoder (all the decoding process made int= o the digital domain) could decoding ISB with the extra 90=C2=BA phasing tr= ick, Right? I wonder... Why not to do it today? ??? Where is the head of the tuner manufacters? ??? And Where is the AM broadcaster part (to get back to the music)? ??? LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG STEREO AUDIO IN AM!!!!!!! (Leave the digital audio into the studio) GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Tue Mar 01 21:00:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4235 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2011 05:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2011 05:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2011 05:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB756C085 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:00:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4D6DCED8.8080409@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:00:08 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: ISB & AM Stereo CHIPs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=Ejc1kkgkG8a47rxJ7WhTg6a5T6jE1Z8QTOTsUZEUq_wWHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >"Jota" jotape1960@yahoo.com > >In other words, a digital C-Quam decoder (all the decoding >process made into the digital domain) could decoding ISB >with the extra 90º phasing trick, Right? !Yes! While digital processing has its merits from the ease of programming standpoint, designing a radio that is properly shielded from the digital noise for high fidelity reception is not an cheap/easy task. Taking the analog approach initially would be more prudent. >I wonder... Why not to do it today? ??? If you have an existing AMS radio then all you need is the audio phasers. >Where is the lead of the tuner manufacturers? ??? Not enough market for it I guess ... yet? >And Where is the AM broadcaster part (to get back to the music)? ??? If you have engineering access to an AMS station to add the audio phasers and this will not conflict with the broadcasting rules and programming access then is all you need. If not, first you will have to wrestle the AM band away from the talk radio hounds, though. ;-) JSG From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 04 20:57:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72255 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2011 04:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2011 04:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2011 04:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2011 04:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2011 04:57:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 04:57:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D6DCED8.8080409@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.46 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: ISB & AM Stereo CHIPs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1s1gQ98sHzFHotph4RfWBoWHcy0FBxUmk848iZhhQ1XDwLH39Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I wonder if the old SQ Quadraphonic encoder/decoder system could help to IS= B. Please, don't misunderstand me. I just want to mean that the SQ matrix used= a -90=C2=BA phasing shift in some part of the process, right? Well, I wond= er if we could use that part. In other words, maybe the few SQ Quadro Integrated Circuits there were coul= d be used today (in the phasing part) for the phasing process ISB needs. Ma= ybe? ??? Just an idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Mar 05 05:59:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88277 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2011 13:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2011 13:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2011 13:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2011 13:59:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2011 13:59:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 13:59:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.46 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: PRO1k from meduci has made its debut on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=qvoEoCu5YUpepABHVdVp6nCRN1stS0i-N5A-Tu_YHikf_-Xt0JS0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello AM stereo fans, Good or bad, check out this homemade video from the PRO1k owner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhPCeIonoW2s This video also demonstrates the Chris Cuff AM stereo=20 Alfredo-Lite transmitter, which has been discontinued again.=20=20 We aim to be fair and balanced, and present views from all=20 sides. Needless to say, this PRO1k tuner owner was not too=20 happy with the PRO1k's analog tuning mechanism. As a result,=20 he does not recommend the PRO1k tuner purchase to others.=20=20 We do plan to introduce a truly digital synthesized AM stereo=20 tuner at some point, and have been carefully analyzing and=20 researching many different design approaches. Our aim is to=20 have the stability from a digital tuner, without sacrificing the extremely low-noise characteristics of an analog AM stereo tuner.=20 Getting back to the YouTube video, Wild Bill did demonstrate=20 the dramatic audio quality differences between his Technics SA-150 tuner and the meduci PRO1k high fidelity wideband AM stereo=20 component tuner. This audio was recorded from his camcorder's monaural microphone pickup. It would have been better if he had used a direct A/B stereo connection to his camcorder. In any event, you can still hear the difference in audio quality. Comments are always welcome. Keep listening to AM stereo. Sincerely, meduci, LLC=20=20 From bratina501@msn.com Sun Mar 06 01:21:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13629 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2011 09:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2011 09:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2011 09:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2011 09:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2011 09:20:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 09:20:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.68 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: PRO1k from meduci has made its debut on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=ILLJCA6xG2-sy4zN7cl3F_oMy3u5uEl0XeLfNefnRsbaH3YGXA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wro= te: > > Hello AM stereo fans, >=20 > Good or bad, check out this homemade video from the PRO1k owner: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhPCeIonoW2s >=20 > This video also demonstrates the Chris Cuff AM stereo=20 > Alfredo-Lite transmitter, which has been discontinued again.=20=20 >=20 > We aim to be fair and balanced, and present views from all=20 > sides. Needless to say, this PRO1k tuner owner was not too=20 > happy with the PRO1k's analog tuning mechanism. As a result,=20 > he does not recommend the PRO1k tuner purchase to others.=20=20 >=20 > We do plan to introduce a truly digital synthesized AM stereo=20 > tuner at some point, and have been carefully analyzing and=20 > researching many different design approaches. Our aim is to=20 > have the stability from a digital tuner, without sacrificing the > extremely low-noise characteristics of an analog AM stereo tuner.=20 >=20 > Getting back to the YouTube video, Wild Bill did demonstrate=20 > the dramatic audio quality differences between his Technics SA-150 > tuner and the meduci PRO1k high fidelity wideband AM stereo=20 > component tuner. This audio was recorded from his camcorder's > monaural microphone pickup. It would have been better if he had > used a direct A/B stereo connection to his camcorder. In any > event, you can still hear the difference in audio quality. >=20 > Comments are always welcome. Keep listening to AM stereo. >=20 > Sincerely, > meduci, LLC > It was a bit unfavorable toward the receiver but for the transmitter I can = say the sound is INCREDIBLE! I am lucky to say I own one of the Chris Cuff = AM stereo transmitters now (bought one of his kits recently) but just by fo= llowing the instructions in the Youtube videos I ended up with a working bo= ard when I first applied power. The separation is wide already but I do use= some processing to maximize the transmitter's modulation while attempting = to keep distortion extremely low or at non-existent levels. I have seen Wil= d Bill aka Uxwbill's videos before and yes his audio recording never really= is that great but in this case the audio quality difference was so extreme= it came through. From the Meduci I noticed more treble and a clearer sound= compared to the Technics receiver. From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sun Mar 06 09:50:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6044 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2011 17:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2011 17:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2011 17:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A076C085 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2011 11:50:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4D73C95D.20608@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 11:50:21 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: ISB & AM Stereo CHIPs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=_8W8wICITloCG-tg4T87hKCT1kUGQ0-IXd224H0vbQe7Lg X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >"Jota" >I wonder if the old SQ Quadraphonic encoder/decoder >system could help to ISB. >Please, don't misunderstand me. I just want to mean that >the SQ matrix used a -90º phasing shift in some part of the process, right? Well, I wonder if we could use that part. >In other words, maybe the few SQ Quadro Integrated >Circuits there were could be used today (in the phasing part) >for the phasing process ISB needs. Maybe? ??? >Just an idea. I never used the old SQ quadrophonic system and didn't know the details of the inner workings. I think you may be refering to the CD-4 Quad system used on records where the rear channels were on a 30KHz FM-PM/SSBFM sub-carrier. This may have merit for easier phasing. The phasing process mainly involves resistors and capacitors as the complex components and the ICs are just used in a buffer/inverter form. You could probably do the same with transistors. This phasing method is directly from amateur radio Linear ISB method. Only the type of exciter determines whether it is linear or not. If you are talking about specialized ICs for audio phasing I think that this would probably be better defined in the digital domain. JSG From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 06 21:36:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30654 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2011 05:36:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2011 05:36:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.69) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2011 05:36:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2011 05:36:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.252] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2011 05:36:54 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2011 05:36:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 146910.73279.bm@omp1044.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 89966 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2011 05:36:54 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.7.83.112 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Mar 2011 21:36:53 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: uPzLUQAVM1nS9TrNzaj7ivEeR6FnfLsO7MHCXg5YNIcxJ7_ rY0DnpRWTNm2ncKtjt_3FtKe.EvSfV4AsgtoB8eSqs0OMSghcHC8e0_xBg20 .dVxidBZIuLjGp194OGOVVqwL2IKBTE3pyipKkFjNtyIrmPN2ESFlTlAeXGq 1Qxm6HB3TH5c4rdVpnr6yfl6DFkfPq425VMwxZgh65iEL9zHkczGC8KPy33E 6ODbhioTJ0w7lqjSeXUF5rWzvowms0IF3qipAcL6oIt4q_2mHJ0la6IKScfp 5gHZr6x4tofWSL3rSOtgH_7m2s.eQue5JKnKpnNEkK1jsQOVRjAIeieHtIjW 6AL7U1nUrt5j7LEKH1K2CusoQS8.o X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:36:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Who made the TM 152? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=t9fpzcAz17sbrn4mZplhl3Zb8pDN0nv2YtavBjW6a_uh2yUP3FIIHZkymWzJtjXxXpHxxlET X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Who made the Realistic TM 152 AM AM Stereo for Tandy. Thinking of that I also thought that Motorola did not make one AM STEREO at all that I know of. Jim Smith Have been listening to my A.L a lot. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 07 06:29:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98081 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2011 14:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2011 14:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2011 14:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2011 14:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2011 14:28:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 14:28:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.45 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Who made the TM 152? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=yY4FK8W7b_zgjYbqcwq9zBxXKbIzpXw1DfI45tYd_tSUIuZrY8X0bo8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If I'm not mistaken, the TM-152 has a Motorola MC13020P chip, as did the JC= Penney MCS tuner, the Toyota tuner, and the very 1st generation (only) Chr= ysler. Chrysler eventually wento the 2nd generation AM stereo chipset, and = it was smokin quality, maybe even better than the 3rd generation chip (the = 028). In the very beginning, Delco had a custom chip, but it was essential= ly a souped-up MC13020P. I also saw 14,000 of these chips for sale from Asia a while back! John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 07 17:42:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21306 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2011 01:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2011 01:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2011 01:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2011 01:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2011 01:42:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 01:42:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Announce: yes X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.46 From: "Kevin" Subject: Two Japanese stations plan to drop AM Stereo soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=Ge4OzZgGkXJVkYpr45D-vtiHx4ZVG8nkwzkLQb97xM7F0jhLAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics To all AM Stereo fans: I have unfortunate news that two radio stations in Japan have decided to di= scontinue broadcasting in AM Stereo later this month, and one more has alre= ady shut it off on January 31st this year. The Japanese version of the Wik= ipedia page for AM Stereo has some information if you scroll down to the ti= meline (this is Google's crude English translation): http://tinyurl.com/JapanAMStereoWikipedia RCC Radio (1350 kHz JOER in Hiroshima) plans to shut off their AM Stereo on= March 14th, and RSK Radio (1494 kHz JOYR) plans to shut off their AM Stere= o on March 21st on their relay transmitter in Takahashi and on March 28th o= n their main transmitter in Okayama. From what I can gather from Google's broken English translations of the sta= tements on RCC and RSK's web sites, both claim the reason as being that AM = Stereo transmitting equipment is no longer being manufactured, and therefor= e they can't guarantee availability of the parts necessary to maintain the = equipment. Also, just recently TBS Radio (954 kHz JOKR in Tokyo) shut off their AM Ste= reo on January 31st, 2011, according to the statement on their web site. Th= ey do not give any reason for their decision to revert to mono. Please feel free to write a note to these stations encouraging them to cont= inue broadcasting in AM Stereo, or in TBS's case to turn their AM Stereo ba= ck on. I can't guarantee that the people receiving the e-mails will underst= and English, but it certainly doesn't hurt to try! Their e-mail addresses are as follows: RCC Radio: radio@rcc.net RSK Radio: radio@rsk.co.jp TBS Radio: Radio@Tbs.co.jp Thanks everyone, and let's hope for the best! Kevin Tekel http://AMStereo.s5.com From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 07 18:35:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87164 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2011 02:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2011 02:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2011 02:35:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p282Zjsf016287 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 21:35:45 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.f28.d3aab82 (43971) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 21:35:40 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-m17.mail.aol.com (magic-m17.mail.aol.com [172.21.147.70]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD034-abc34d7595fb24e; Mon, 07 Mar 2011 21:35:39 -0500 Message-ID: <70a61.1def3e07.3aa6effb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 21:35:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Two Japanese stations plan to drop AM Stereo soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=YaYZeETny7IwatWAlT0OxZN5wOI9JZhkR5dc6lVSl-RxNDV52VM7_O3h0zlGoErb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From what I saw and heard on YouTube, Japanese AM Stereo sounds good, damn good. I do not see the harm in transmitting in AM Stereo. If one already has the means, what advantage is there to discontining its use? Throughout the years, I've heard management poo-poo technical excellence, often achieved more through human effort and intelligence than financial cost. The "Why Bother?" attitude. Who cares if a station broadcasts in high fidelity and/or stereo when most of the potential audience couldn't care less? Or a station can reliably deliver a clean signal for many hundreds of miles, when the local Pizza Hut advertiser only delivers withub the city limits? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 07 19:35:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49180 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2011 03:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2011 03:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.53.206) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2011 03:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.196] by nm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2011 03:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.180] by tm9.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2011 03:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1063.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2011 03:35:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 144741.95247.bm@omp1063.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 4410 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2011 03:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.38.62.87 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Mar 2011 19:35:13 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: 3NEwJAUVM1kJPCk6G2V8L_dEb5XXMWNc1Ddhba5OQweY5a8 rozxZhpZijBToasnfxDEZMFYYe.p8v_ZrTDn0fpm7ehyzFj6jK5Tn6P7UvmR bTfmy97aYjjFpMcxlyHkWcWs7MmtlYTDEPFYLgL1DJpBkYAMoGJmpXDGKcKr il4kyiCDvT05Foy2K5DfVUE7sOKgkrfLhxRtwLJqGWzdZwFKk.OkHWzEVG8. CttwyKQ5vBOSv3ptlC.Pv X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:33:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.53.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Who made the TM 152? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=BM9XRNz-1lnyxltf2Hgo_-hQP90uQsN08xxjL-gc4Iv4cYqkp2wRSpsEEIAnGRjjZC-9YNVr X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I,ll try this again. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: jim smith Cc: jim smith Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 5:27 AM Subject: Re: Who made the TM 152? Hi John Yes I know that Motorola made the chips for those radios. Like I asked before who made the TM 152 for Tandy? And like I said before out side of the chips Motorola did not make any AM STEREO radios. Jim S ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:36 PM Subject: Who made the TM 152? Hi Gang Who made the Realistic TM 152 AM AM Stereo for Tandy. Thinking of that I also thought that Motorola did not make one AM STEREO at all that I know of. Jim Smith Have been listening to my A.L a lot. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 07 21:14:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73857 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2011 05:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2011 05:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2011 05:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2011 05:14:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2011 05:14:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 05:14:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <70a61.1def3e07.3aa6effb@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.68 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Two Japanese stations plan to drop AM Stereo soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=mQGdmyeZUJ-kljgfHGSodul46WKujyUpOc4rQE7Ooh0cqXdYeaIt5hoOyhUSCwT-BbsRcIVp X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I am in hopes that some from our engineer fans can help with parts.= It would be a shame to let AM STEREO go the way it has here in the states.= I also beleave if you asked almost any one if they had preferd MONO or STE= REO most will say STEREO. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > From what I saw and heard on YouTube, Japanese AM Stereo sounds good, dam= n=20 > good. I do not see the harm in transmitting in AM Stereo. If one alread= y=20 > has the means, what advantage is there to discontining its use? >=20 > Throughout the years, I've heard management poo-poo technical excellence,= =20 > often achieved more through human effort and intelligence than financial= =20 > cost. The "Why Bother?" attitude. Who cares if a station broadcasts in = high=20 > fidelity and/or stereo when most of the potential audience couldn't care = less?=20 > Or a station can reliably deliver a clean signal for many hundreds of=20 > miles, when the local Pizza Hut advertiser only delivers withub the city= =20 > limits? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Mar 08 06:17:17 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73188 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2011 14:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2011 14:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2011 14:17:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1299593835; bh=OklnBne7b5U6OHIwl9+CkHd18I1Zb4vPnAikz3QnWQA=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GmVij1BXcUNPZ0UB7BQPIGSOTsm+gOjMSNAlNoL/tdnqX2ApIvcS7/ZlX3El1svklhONNPdz29J1c8xv8Q9jknCar67D+xUa94qOWo6KuUXPpXNVigPPWSpJfvQrNpy8 Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2011 14:17:15 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2011 14:17:15 -0000 Date: 8 Mar 2011 14:17:13 -0000 Message-ID: <1299593833.6307.60922.w4@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /MOTOROLA 4 Channels SQ Logic Decoder ICs datasheet.pdf Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : Motorola old SQ Quadraphonic decoders. Maybe useful to AM Stereo? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/MOTOROLA%204%20Channels%20SQ%20Logic%20Decoder%20ICs%20datasheet.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, jotape1960 From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Mar 09 13:51:05 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64658 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2011 21:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2011 21:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2011 21:50:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1299707429; bh=0ZtbvW1FLD9Fr61w91h3+YeqZcCgmk3UHfWrpPu781E=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oOmYWxt5wEL3b001xceXWL40LwrgqbsUDylFY8fc8RVdKEDH3D0LMMrsDYeKxBBdygoHHOYoHsuzLY9IYuojiZaiK+0vzHUTfyoQhVlERyg48/kOD5nh4VrfWHVIgce3 Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2011 21:50:29 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2011 21:50:29 -0000 Date: 9 Mar 2011 21:50:29 -0000 Message-ID: <1299707429.1420.51620.w3@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Stereo Separation vs Angular Separation.xls Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : A first approach to the comparison between teh nagle separation of the speakers and the real stereo separation. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Stereo%20Separation%20vs%20Angular%20Separation.xls To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, jotape1960 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 09 13:59:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67011 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2011 21:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2011 21:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2011 21:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2011 21:59:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2011 21:59:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 21:59:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.45 From: "Jota" Subject: Stereo Separation vs Angular Separation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=e8g8btOhrzWLRIW6n9M_VV6ZxUnW1nOaxbTfur-Z5j2H6aBcEg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if someone here can (or want) to help me. I'm creating a visual demonstration about the angular separation of the spe= akers and the real stereo audio separation (inner sensation). First of all, I need to check my math. So, if someone can (or want) to help= me, please, check the Excel file (into the Files menu) and tell me if the= math equation I used (just deduction/guessing) is right or not. When I have the right equation, then I'll be able to program the PC to get = the visual position of the speakers and the separation (dbs) we get with th= at. Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 09 14:16:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35830 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2011 22:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2011 22:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2011 22:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2011 22:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2011 22:16:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:16:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.46 From: "Jota" Subject: CB channels distribution and other stuffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=NMkPhReC83ZrCYiCN-aunq1F6vugGkhDrQyjN7fstbfcOYzFjA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder why the CB channels spacing (frecuency distribution) is the way it= is. Some historic issue? Why not to have all channels continuously (just a= ll side by side). Also, I wonder if someone has ever got some ISB AM (illegal of course) in t= he CB space. I knew one, years ago, but from Brazil (I could get it with a = 3 elements Yagi aerial at night). A fellow who transmitted two different th= ings, one on the LSB and the other on the USB. It was... so funny! (music a= nd commentaries about typical daily things), but I didn't have a way to hea= r both programs at the same time (because I had only one device). He had...= some popularity in this part of the world, at that time (early 80's). Also, I knew some problems (interference) the CB radios caused into some VH= F TV channels and I wonder if some broadcasting band (HF or VHF) has this p= roblem too. And, at last, my old Cobra 148GTL could get 50 dbs (or more) of attenuation= of the non-desireable sideband in SSB mode (and it was all analog). If the= y got it, Why not today? ??? Does somebody has the electronic circuit schem= atics to see which method they used (filtered or phasing)? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Mar 09 14:56:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36247 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2011 22:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2011 22:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2011 22:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110309165654001299800010> for ; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:56:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4D7805AE.1020509@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:56:46 -0600 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:56:54 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110309-1, 03/09/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} CB channels distribution and other stuffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=UlS7P_pXJDKXpzppRLE_Yi_YHIYVZmMABnDNmWQ6Cw57PrC7V0aw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/9/2011 4:16 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > > I wonder why the CB channels spacing (frecuency distribution) is the way > it is. Some historic issue? Why not to have all channels continuously > (just all side by side). Yes- there were a few hobby-based remote control channels (model airplanes, etc.) stuck in there. Scott Todd From audiopro@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 13 21:50:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: audiopro@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63693 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2011 04:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2011 04:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2011 04:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2011 04:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2011 04:50:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 04:50:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.45 From: "Eric" Subject: Re: CB channels distribution and other stuffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=131970796; y=h8VKTv53y_xklmoKtruBN2dbjias8niyi8OBWsp2cFIAG4kyT_KafEwn_8PZQ4GuHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: audiopro@sbcglobal.net Before the US 27MHz CB band was established the range of 26.96 - 27.23 was = the 11 meter amateur band and there were 6 frequencies used for remote cont= rol devices such as model aircraft. This became the CB band of 23 channels = with 5 remote control channels and 1 shared on CB 23. These remote channels= remain as class-C CB service, 26.995, 27.045, 27.095, 27.145, 27.195, and = 27.255. Remote control devices can operate up to 25 Watts on 27.255. FCC rules permit a variety of part 15 devices to operate on CB channels 1 t= hrough 27. That approximate same range can also be occupied by ISM signals = with a relatively wide bandwidth. ISM use is not illegal. The 40 channel band plan was established in 1977. During periods of better propagation in years past I would occasionally hea= r ISM signals. Rotten cables, bad shielding, improperly modified radios, and poorly tuned = antennas accounted for virtually all interference CBers caused to other par= ts of the spectrum. Why not today ... the demand isn't there. It's the same reason why it's dif= ficult to get an AM broadcast band radio that sounds decent.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder why the CB channels spacing (frecuency distribution) is the way = it is. Some historic issue? Why not to have all channels continuously (just= all side by side). >=20 > Also, I wonder if someone has ever got some ISB AM (illegal of course) in= the CB space. I knew one, years ago, but from Brazil (I could get it with = a 3 elements Yagi aerial at night). A fellow who transmitted two different = things, one on the LSB and the other on the USB. It was... so funny! (music= and commentaries about typical daily things), but I didn't have a way to h= ear both programs at the same time (because I had only one device). He had.= .. some popularity in this part of the world, at that time (early 80's). >=20 > Also, I knew some problems (interference) the CB radios caused into some = VHF TV channels and I wonder if some broadcasting band (HF or VHF) has this= problem too. >=20 > And, at last, my old Cobra 148GTL could get 50 dbs (or more) of attenuati= on of the non-desireable sideband in SSB mode (and it was all analog). If t= hey got it, Why not today? ??? Does somebody has the electronic circuit sch= ematics to see which method they used (filtered or phasing)? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 17:28:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22665 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2011 00:28:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2011 00:28:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2011 00:28:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2011 00:28:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2011 00:28:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 00:28:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.66 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: CB channels distribution and other stuffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Uf0AvsV6C0_zKTUPRmKwwqNdEMRQp-FVH4p3WEteeiE-1D7blMTowTi0h8WgVSBXHClh_tKx X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Thata a shame. I manly blame the FCC. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" wrote: > > Before the US 27MHz CB band was established the range of 26.96 - 27.23 wa= s the 11 meter amateur band and there were 6 frequencies used for remote co= ntrol devices such as model aircraft. This became the CB band of 23 channel= s with 5 remote control channels and 1 shared on CB 23. These remote channe= ls remain as class-C CB service, 26.995, 27.045, 27.095, 27.145, 27.195, an= d 27.255. Remote control devices can operate up to 25 Watts on 27.255. >=20 > FCC rules permit a variety of part 15 devices to operate on CB channels 1= through 27. That approximate same range can also be occupied by ISM signal= s with a relatively wide bandwidth. ISM use is not illegal. >=20 > The 40 channel band plan was established in 1977. >=20 > During periods of better propagation in years past I would occasionally h= ear ISM signals. >=20 > Rotten cables, bad shielding, improperly modified radios, and poorly tune= d antennas accounted for virtually all interference CBers caused to other p= arts of the spectrum. >=20 > Why not today ... the demand isn't there. It's the same reason why it's d= ifficult to get an AM broadcast band radio that sounds decent.=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > > > Hi Gang!!! > >=20 > > I wonder why the CB channels spacing (frecuency distribution) is the wa= y it is. Some historic issue? Why not to have all channels continuously (ju= st all side by side). > >=20 > > Also, I wonder if someone has ever got some ISB AM (illegal of course) = in the CB space. I knew one, years ago, but from Brazil (I could get it wit= h a 3 elements Yagi aerial at night). A fellow who transmitted two differen= t things, one on the LSB and the other on the USB. It was... so funny! (mus= ic and commentaries about typical daily things), but I didn't have a way to= hear both programs at the same time (because I had only one device). He ha= d... some popularity in this part of the world, at that time (early 80's). > >=20 > > Also, I knew some problems (interference) the CB radios caused into som= e VHF TV channels and I wonder if some broadcasting band (HF or VHF) has th= is problem too. > >=20 > > And, at last, my old Cobra 148GTL could get 50 dbs (or more) of attenua= tion of the non-desireable sideband in SSB mode (and it was all analog). If= they got it, Why not today? ??? Does somebody has the electronic circuit s= chematics to see which method they used (filtered or phasing)? ??? > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 14 17:38:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97085 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2011 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2011 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.52.209) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2011 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.189] by nm12.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2011 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.166] by tm2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2011 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2011 00:38:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 602241.58873.bm@omp1049.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 40125 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2011 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.31.50.12 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2011 17:38:15 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: CgaNXeAVM1lVYl8e.E9pzlLYMGn0yftehM9EKKRcknHPDbn _X1gNQr_k4wy2x_VbrBVSHnKp02pJDVS8d01nOfKUXq8Jo25.5_lh76mnzo. zWx2hiaD_XYWkjuYXFszQ8acOLfF3DOgDoQ_GeZRMUQtfZaHu02rEgsSG_z3 TPcG_SUlJwp0GRiaO6AHCirNXDdEAfQYfqtMXN7BtAsOu9MEcJ9ZINBV3MEc 0q9IDqK4o4agTpSwa6a6dV.HA9pnhMwPJZVOs3I_wS7xeJCag7A0IZ3kFPvf DbLOOY75Hz5Q8iA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <0F7FFC9E7D104BD0BE391C6AF9650561@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:38:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.52.209 From: "jim smith" Subject: This mite sound trivil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=RQy7zofQxIgne-sgnpEORLej41aXGrsTw83ugJ3DbbuNP4q-LtjNN-w8zazgCFFFEL-lnGo- X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang This mite sound trivil right now but with the big quake in Japan there mite be even less AM STEREO stations . But thats not importen right now. What they need right now is lost of help to servive. God bless them !!!!!!Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 06:10:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57331 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2011 13:10:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2011 13:10:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2011 13:10:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2011 13:10:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2011 13:10:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:10:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.66 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: C-Quam AMS for Sale - if you don't listen to X-band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Ihd-WDJi4M6xGnwok_VKsR3Kk8_UE_0pfD3EABi-G4k9HnIgwS0di48 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hello all, If your local CQUAM AM stereo station is not in the eXpanded AM band (1630-= 1710), then I've got two AM stereo C-Quam unit available for you that cover= 540-1610. For Sale: MCS AM Stereo/ FM Stereo digital tuner with memory presets. Nice = bright digital display and decent audio quality. 120VAC, RCA line level out= puts, four individual 'clip' terminals for AM & FM antennae. For Sale: 1st Generation Chrysler AM Stereo/FM Stereo car radio with 5 pres= ets. 12VDC/13.8VDC operation. Uses standard black & grey Chrysler connecto= rs. Speaker level outputs. Please contact me off list for photos or any other questions. Thanks, John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 05:41:57 2011 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=33940;u=;t=1300279409;m=557143819;s=1826775223; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 05:45:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69959 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2011 12:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2011 12:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2011 12:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2011 12:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2011 12:45:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:45:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.68 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: CB channels distribution and other stuffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=kb5HbOw1Qvdq_FYmGz4oKNp6w6mXUrvjTpsM0vYPSouvgeLsWw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Thank you so much for your historical data. I didn't know any about this. BTW, Is it correct, or a typograph mistake, about the frecuencies of the channels 23, 24 and 25? According to the Cobra 148GTL user's manual, the frecuencies to these channels is: CHANNEL..........FRECUENCY (MHZ) ..20................27.205 ..21................27.215 ..22................27.225 ..23................27.255 ..24................27.245 ..25................27.235 ..26................27.265 ..27................27.275 ..28................27.285 ..29................27.295 ..30................27.305 Mistake? ??? About ISB, If ISB AM Stereo is not illegal in USA, Why there isn't MW stati= ons with that system in USA? If ISB is not illegal, Why the standard is C-Quam? Even more, Why we need an standard? The today compressed digital spectrum o= f audio and video codecs are demonstrate that we don't need any standard: we = just need the codecs!!! Why not the same in the broadcast world? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America,, with love and hope And a lot of good vibrations to our brothers and sisters in Japan!!! From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 05:51:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13462 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2011 12:51:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2011 12:51:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2011 12:51:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2011 12:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2011 12:51:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:51:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0F7FFC9E7D104BD0BE391C6AF9650561@jim3slp85ju21o> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.66 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: This mite sound trivil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9ZSGXKs-znND6lvv03zTompE-hlXUzUjog97oI8a1hNw_BnJgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Man!!! Be positive/optimist. Maybe it is a new opportunity to the AM Stereo= re-born. They will have to re-build a lot of things, a lot. I guess, one o= f those "things" are the AM transmitter sites. So... maybe, I hope, they wi= ll go back to the AM Stereo, maybe. GOD BLESS ALL THE JAPANESE BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America,, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang This mite sound trivil right now but with the big quake in Japan = there mite be even less AM STEREO stations . But thats not importen right n= ow. What they need right now is lost of help to servive. God bless them !!= !!!!Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 11:36:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54735 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2011 18:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2011 18:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2011 18:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2011 18:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2011 18:36:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:36:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.67 From: "Jota" Subject: Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MnazK1DQtkuSXP5P7ehisy1g8ZBCHEUCDRTINsZk_j9E4HmJgg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody knows a way to restore the original elasticity of the = material which support the cantilever into the stylus body of the moving ma= gnet phono cartridges. I found a lot of replacement stylus, in the old "knick-knack room", but the= stylus cantilever is fixed (non elastic free movement), as if it be a rigi= d one only piece with the rest of the metallic part of the stylus body, and= , of course, if you use it, the sound is terrible!!! Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 05:54:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45235 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2011 12:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2011 12:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2011 12:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2011 12:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2011 12:54:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:54:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.45 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Newer Car with factory AM Stereo? 2009 Pontiac G8 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=N38D2k5V0IkkQ1Xuk5YRGnh2uf8-2e98vX_VKm6tDRghP6DgtXUEmvY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can anybody verify if the 09 PONTIAC G8 does actually have a C-Quam AM Ster= eo tuner? The custom 'navigation' unit is made by our friends at Blaupunkt= , who made several automotive AM tuners in the past, so I'm wondering if it= really can decode C-Quam? It is listed as an "AM Stereo / FM Stereo", so = maybe it can decode Cquam? With our luck, it does, and then GM kills off Ponitiac a year later? (rumor= has it the G8 will become a Chevy next year, so it could return). John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 10:22:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84643 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2011 17:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2011 17:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2011 17:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2011 17:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2011 17:22:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:22:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.45 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: CB channels distribution and other stuffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=PQU-Dm5Z2AubIO-K-oE29fdRlR6SowEeknNWAdAFkWFAURb5uML4MGI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan, if memory serves me, even in the 23 channel days, there were one of t= he channels that was 'out of order' with all the rest, and that continued w= hen they went from 23 to 40 channels. From jmrouse@mail.com Thu Mar 17 19:18:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16463 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2011 02:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2011 02:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 02:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p2I2IUT6006380 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:18:30 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.cee.833797ed (45277) for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:18:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.149]) by cia-mc03.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC037-5c694d82c0eb2d5; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:18:23 -0400 X-Received: from web-mmc-d05 (web-mmc-d05.sim.aol.com [205.188.103.95]) by smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB027-5c694d82c0eb2d5; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:18:19 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:18:19 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.185.161.2 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 33426-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.161.2 by web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.95) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:18:19 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDB329E1B23704-1170-481F@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This mite sound trivil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=ko6IB0O7W9WOAGeTR5WVQJvLWFqNR1NHc5QZ0J6ghvZcDtjkM41c X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amen, brother! Let us keep our allies, the Japanese people in our prayers. -----Original Message----- From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:51 am Subject: {AMSF} Re: This mite sound trivil Man!!! Be positive/optimist. Maybe it is a new opportunity to the AM Stereo= =20 e-born. They will have to re-build a lot of things, a lot. I guess, one of= =20 hose "things" are the AM transmitter sites. So... maybe, I hope, they will = go=20 ack to the AM Stereo, maybe. GOD BLESS ALL THE JAPANESE BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!!!!! uan Jes=C3=83=C2=BAs Paredes Guerra rom Curic=C3=83=C2=B3, Chile, South America,, with love and hope -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: Hi Gang This mite sound trivil right now but with the big quake in Japan t= here=20 ite be even less AM STEREO stations . But thats not importen right now. Wha= t=20 hey need right now is lost of help to servive. God bless them !!!!!!Jim Sm= ith =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------- Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 17 20:04:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26480 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2011 03:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2011 03:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 03:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2011 03:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2011 03:04:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:04:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CDB329E1B23704-1170-481F@web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.67 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: This mite sound trivil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=r2-Roqe0LhRmOBeTOOPmJaiGm4On7IwB7AvK3J29ZFffKAPXKTMgTVWsL_QT2hGoishY0DoN X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Well I hope I am wrong. But thay where pulling the plug on a fue s= tations over there before the quake. I wish thay would flood U.S market or= the world markets with C-QuAM radios. But that has not been happening. I h= ope and pray all the bast for them!!!!!!!!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jmrouse@... wrote: > > Amen, brother! Let us keep our allies, the Japanese people in our prayer= s. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jota > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:51 am > Subject: {AMSF} Re: This mite sound trivil >=20 >=20 > Man!!! Be positive/optimist. Maybe it is a new opportunity to the AM Ster= eo=20 > e-born. They will have to re-build a lot of things, a lot. I guess, one o= f=20 > hose "things" are the AM transmitter sites. So... maybe, I hope, they wil= l go=20 > ack to the AM Stereo, maybe. > GOD BLESS ALL THE JAPANESE BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!!!!! >=20 > uan Jes=C3=83=C2=BAs Paredes Guerra > rom Curic=C3=83=C2=B3, Chile, South America,, with love and hope >=20 > -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: >=20 > Hi Gang This mite sound trivil right now but with the big quake in Japan= there=20 > ite be even less AM STEREO stations . But thats not importen right now. W= hat=20 > hey need right now is lost of help to servive. God bless them !!!!!!Jim = Smith >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----------------------------------- > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > Individual Email | Traditional > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 13:27:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32014 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2011 20:27:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2011 20:27:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 20:27:29 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2011 20:27:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2011 20:27:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2011 20:27:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:27:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.67 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: This mite sound trivil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HiOVQNAdEk_dQtjwWPJURvoUf2q7niZz1D8nefHK8WkowPzqPA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Gang Well I hope I am wrong. But thay where pulling the plug on a fue= stations over there before the quake. I wish thay would flood U.S market = or the world markets with C-QuAM radios. But that has not been happening. I= hope and pray all the bast for them!!!!!!!!!! Jim Smith Hi Jim!!! I'm not sure about they could flood the markets with AM Stereo tuners. They= don't have the most part of the market at all. At least, here in Chile, we= have a lot of radios from... Taiwan, Singapur, China, but only a few brand= s from Japan. Even more, we can't get a decent AM tuner here. From 100 to = sold, 99 are so... BAD!!! So... BTW, I wonder if we could use an standard C-QUAM chip to get the L+R and L-= R signals separately (prior to the final stereo matrix). Can we? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 18 17:00:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28811 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2011 23:59:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2011 23:59:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 23:59:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2011 23:59:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2011 23:59:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:59:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.67 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: This mite sound trivil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=QFI-2nkD1z2PnDxyQOVfE3FNkDCc22AKBbiQFqAgnrbxB6mqbLtaMKFvCwB96O2CdSM_3A8n X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Jaun Japan had flooded there nation with C-QuAM tuners and radios becua= se there nation is very hilly so AM STEREO works better than FM STEREO. So= I don't see why not make AM STEREO very populer here in the western US. I = wish but that dose not seem to be happening. In this area we went from 9 C-= QuAM day stations 3 night stations to zero over the last 20 years. I wish I= could be more optamistic. To me thats what this site was made for.www.amst= ereo.s5.com Not only talk about AM STEREO but do some thing about it like= Chris Cuff did.Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > >=20 > > Hi Gang Well I hope I am wrong. But thay where pulling the plug on a f= ue stations over there before the quake. I wish thay would flood U.S marke= t or the world markets with C-QuAM radios. But that has not been happening.= I hope and pray all the bast for them!!!!!!!!!! Jim Smith >=20 > Hi Jim!!! >=20 > I'm not sure about they could flood the markets with AM Stereo tuners. Th= ey don't have the most part of the market at all. At least, here in Chile, = we have a lot of radios from... Taiwan, Singapur, China, but only a few bra= nds from Japan. Even more, we can't get a decent AM tuner here. From 100 t= o sold, 99 are so... BAD!!! So... >=20 > BTW, I wonder if we could use an standard C-QUAM chip to get the L+R and = L-R signals separately (prior to the final stereo matrix). Can we? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Mar 19 09:03:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29648 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2011 16:02:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2011 16:02:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173013pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.13) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2011 16:02:58 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.67]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LIB000LBB8TUCH1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:02:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <7B8536BD056A4C42928D58DF0FCBB0E8@RichardPC> To: References: In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:02:59 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This mite sound trivil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris Cuff could probably answer your question. He still sells some C-Quam= stuff on eBay. I don=E2=80=99t know his email address, but his seller nam= e in eBay is CCuff. You might be able to contact him through eBay.=20=20 The link for finding an eBay member is: http://pages.ebay.com/services/for= um/feedback-login.html Dick W. Jota said:=20 BTW, I wonder if we could use an standard C-QUAM chip to get the L+R and L-= R signals separately (prior to the final stereo matrix). Can we? ??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 19:11:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23785 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2011 02:11:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2011 02:11:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2011 02:11:03 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2011 02:11:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2011 02:11:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2011 02:11:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:11:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.46 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=mFLKZdxuGvaRW8BIhih69y4_-s9A8efZLLzdiZqEDpCR8pbBnrmM X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello,=20=20 An excellent reference web site for the National Semiconductor LM1981 is available from Don Sauer's web site, including his 54-page application note, 12-page data sheet, schematic diagram,=20 and other information: =20=20 http://www.idea2ic.com/AM_Stereo/STORY%20OF%20AM%20STEREO.html http://www.idea2ic.com/AM_Stereo/LM1981_dataSheet.pdf http://www.idea2ic.com/AM_Stereo/AM_Stereo_App_Note.pdf http://www.idea2ic.com/AM_Stereo/AM_Stereo_Paper.pdf This LM1981 was designed for ALL five decoding systems that were initially proposed to the FCC in 1978. This web site=20 presents an incredible history lesson.=20 Some history between Motorola, Delco Electronics, and National Semiconductor is briefly discussed, and how Motorola wanted all of the car AM stereo business. Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci.com Creator of the AMX2000 and PRO1k AM Stereo Tuners From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 02:40:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 301 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2011 09:40:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2011 09:40:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2011 09:40:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2011 09:40:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2011 09:40:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:40:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.45 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=-SInpljqUUvzyV5OPktUwouu_MQ0ZLkOK0s2wvWQXnnz36BEzg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! With a quick reading, we could think this IC was created expressly to the M= agnavox system. But, Belar, Magnavox, Harris and Motorola, all of them, are basically the s= ame: L+R to envelope encoder/decoder and L-R to phase encoder/decoder. All = of them with some distortion and poor stereo separation at both bass and tr= eble edges. If at that time there would have been all of today digital tricks, I bet th= e winner would be Kahn (ISB), surely it would be. With digital phasing netw= orks, at the transmitter side, and digital processing at the tuner side, IS= B would sound almost perfect. However... The problem would be still the same: Who cares about AM Stereo w= ith: 1) Today bad AM programming? 2) Narrow audio bandwidth AM tuners? 3) Excessive parasitic noise due to noisy power lines and null interesting = to fix it? 4) Poor education to the listener about the good antenna conditions? Just crazy ideas from a crazy mind. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wro= te: > > Hello,=20=20 >=20 > An excellent reference web site for the National Semiconductor > LM1981 is available from Don Sauer's web site, including his > 54-page application note, 12-page data sheet, schematic diagram,=20 > and other information: >=20=20=20 > http://www.idea2ic.com/AM_Stereo/STORY%20OF%20AM%20STEREO.html >=20 > http://www.idea2ic.com/AM_Stereo/LM1981_dataSheet.pdf >=20 > http://www.idea2ic.com/AM_Stereo/AM_Stereo_App_Note.pdf >=20 > http://www.idea2ic.com/AM_Stereo/AM_Stereo_Paper.pdf >=20 > This LM1981 was designed for ALL five decoding systems that > were initially proposed to the FCC in 1978. This web site=20 > presents an incredible history lesson.=20 >=20 > Some history between Motorola, Delco Electronics, and National > Semiconductor is briefly discussed, and how Motorola wanted all of > the car AM stereo business. >=20 > Sincerely, > meduci, LLC > http://meduci.com > Creator of the AMX2000 and PRO1k AM Stereo Tuners > From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 15:19:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98549 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2011 22:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2011 22:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2011 22:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2011 22:19:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2011 22:19:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2011 22:19:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:19:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.45 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=l2x9Tp446jH0YdIQO8GQqMUkpyXOodNHoUdybU7cDZ457NDUc0i_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hi Jota, NS LM1981 was the first modern one-chip AM stereo decoder;=20 however, being a pioneer, it was not always the best introduction.=20=20 There was a large inductor that required tuning, and some bass=20 burping was present in the recovered audio. National Semiconductor actually used FM detector at the I.F for the L-R detection,=20 followed by an integrator, to convert to phase detection.=20=20 National may have had some better luck using the Motorola, Toshiba,=20 and Sony approaches -- phase lock the L-R oscillator at four times=20 the I.F -- better phase noise response by dividing the frequency by four; the oscillator phase noise also gets significantly reduced=20 in the process! You could still have an external L-R oscillator outboard of the LM1981; you could also run dedicated pilot tone detector for 25Hz - and decode Motorola C-QuAM stereo transmissions.=20=20 At the end of the LM1981 data sheet, there is a schematic diagram for a PMX transmitter using some Motorola LM1496 chips. PMX was definitely the most simplistic AM stereo encoder / decoder=20 that was introduced! I searched for vendors selling the LM1981. There is one in=20 China with 650 pieces available. Delco was not too happy with the long stereo LED lock time of the LM1981 chip when testing the PMX system. Delco felt that=20 drivers would tune away from FM stations if the "stereo" indicator was not present. Fast forward 30+ years, and we have Chevrolet=20 car radios without any FM stereo indicators!=20 =20=20=20=20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci. com Creator of the PRO1k and AMX2000 AM Stereo Tuners From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 17:59:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95026 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2011 00:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2011 00:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2011 00:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2011 00:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2011 00:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2011 00:59:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:59:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.66 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=IMpJ0aBCQaTtzWoAIH7egBDpgmzi34dPLVQX1Hf_KQt4iiz6iQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wro= te: > > Delco was not too happy with the long stereo LED lock time of > the LM1981 chip when testing the PMX system. Delco felt that=20 > drivers would tune away from FM stations if the "stereo" indicator > was not present. Fast forward 30+ years, and we have Chevrolet=20 > car radios without any FM stereo indicators!=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Sincerely, > meduci, LLC > http://meduci. com > Creator of the PRO1k and AMX2000 AM Stereo Tuners > Hi Jeff!!! I thought that units had the stereo light blows out. Hahahaha!!! BTW... 1) I wonder if we could expect a PRO1k or AMX2000 AM Stereo units with enou= gh power line filters to use it into a car. 2) Can we "operate" your units to decode ISB AM Stereo? 3) From where you're getting the super wide IF filters? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Mar 28 04:43:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25826 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2011 11:43:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2011 11:43:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2011 11:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2011 11:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2011 11:43:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:43:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.46 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=0PthIUFDn7_tj7qNup3f3C-MngOGKK3LgC8esN_EhWHtoIoyK3tX X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Jota, You write, > 1) I wonder if we could expect a PRO1k or AMX2000 AM Stereo units with en= ough power line filters to use it into a car. >=20 > 2) Can we "operate" your units to decode ISB AM Stereo? >=20 > 3) From where you're getting the super wide IF filters? Answers: 1) No, probably not. Once all of the different sources of car interference are nailed down, then yYou would need an external=20 outside whip antenna for AM reception. It would be too difficult an installation for the avid AM stereo fan. 2) No, the MC13028A stereo decoder expects to see 25Hz pilot tone. Kahn ISB uses 15Hz pilot tone. I injected my own generated 25Hz pilot tone into one of the pins in order to "force stereo" reception. MC13028A did not respond in kind. There is an internal divider, taken from PLL oscillator running at 8x I.F 3) We use I.F ceramic filters (30kHz wide) from muRata Japan. Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci.com Creator of the PRO1k and AMX2000 AM Stereo Tuners From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 28 10:33:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79019 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2011 17:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2011 17:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2011 17:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2011 17:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2011 17:33:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:33:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.45 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History-2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=iDJqZr_Am0RkX_l8Nz8QrtVGiKk9pGKukt32JapdHHeqDZwTZuooKNM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi, I agree with Jeff; I remember having to have a giant inductor to tune-in WO= WO with my LM1981 on a 'protoboard'.=20 The MC13020P was much easier to rig-up back in my AM stereo protoboard days= in the early 80's.=20=20 WOWO still had full power at night before they got bought by that piece of = crap NYC station that caused WOWO to power-down at night, so you could test= 24/7 at my location. Besides the LM1981, MC13020/13022/13028, and the Sony AMS chipset, there wa= s also another chip by maybe, Toshiba? Chris Cuff- can you chime in on that= one? I don't count the MC13024 portable AMStereo chip disaster that Motor= ola rushed out the door. 73's John PS: Yes, why can't the OEMs put a damn "ST" or 'Stereo' indicator on their = broadcast tuners anymore? Likewise on HD radios - it would be nice for both= analog stereo FM and IF there is a stereo trigger that can be indicated on= HD-AM for stereo in the HD mode? From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 28 13:26:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74495 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2011 20:26:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2011 20:26:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2011 20:26:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2011 20:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2011 20:26:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:26:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.137.34.67 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=egpRpxR_5oho1GPkgkmIUDGEMS1glLQfYz7S8a0ObF5wntYRqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! 1) I'll test it... soon (I hope so). 2) Despite the 25 Hz pilot tone (which could be fixed with a false local os= cillator), my question was intended if it is possible to add the necessary = audio phasing network to get the separate sidebands and decode ISB as well.= Is it possible? ??? 3) I visited the Murata web page and I found the filters, but they sold it = only to wholesalers (more than 1,000 units or something like this). I just = want 10 units, to replace my home and car tuners. Where can I buy it? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wro= te: > > Jota, > You write, > > 1) I wonder if we could expect a PRO1k or AMX2000 AM Stereo units with = enough power line filters to use it into a car. > >=20 > > 2) Can we "operate" your units to decode ISB AM Stereo? > >=20 > > 3) From where you're getting the super wide IF filters? >=20 > Answers: > 1) No, probably not. Once all of the different sources of car > interference are nailed down, then yYou would need an external=20 > outside whip antenna for AM reception. It would be too > difficult an installation for the avid AM stereo fan. >=20 > 2) No, the MC13028A stereo decoder expects to see 25Hz pilot tone. > Kahn ISB uses 15Hz pilot tone. I injected my own generated 25Hz > pilot tone into one of the pins in order to "force stereo" > reception. MC13028A did not respond in kind. There is an > internal divider, taken from PLL oscillator running at 8x I.F >=20 > 3) We use I.F ceramic filters (30kHz wide) from muRata Japan. >=20 > Sincerely, > meduci, LLC > http://meduci.com > Creator of the PRO1k and AMX2000 AM Stereo Tuners > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 28 13:48:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 686 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2011 20:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2011 20:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2011 20:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2011 20:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2011 20:48:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:48:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.44 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History-2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=4fkwRcwV2UtleFZ5Udl8s0AZLfSy4br_XVM6w7ZyDWRGy9d0zg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > >=20 > PS: Yes, why can't the OEMs put a damn "ST" or 'Stereo' indicator on thei= r broadcast tuners anymore? Likewise on HD radios - it would be nice for bo= th analog stereo FM and IF there is a stereo trigger that can be indicated = on HD-AM for stereo in the HD mode? > Maybe (my idea) it is because there aren't mono stations, almost, today. So= ... they'd expect only stereo without any visual ID. I remember an old Philips desktop tuner which was always in stereo mode (ev= en if the station transmitted in mono). At the first time I used it, I thou= ght something was wrong with it, but not: it worked that way. I'm talking a= bout FM band only, of course. Of course, it is very nice to see the Stereo light. It is more... "confiden= ce" (even the fact we can note if the device is in Mono or Stereo mode just= hearing the sound). BTW, by obvious characteristics ISB AM Stereo can become very noisy because= an strong interference condition. Most of C-Quam tuners, in a very crowed = condition, change to mono. But... that kind of changing doesn't reduce the = noise (as in FM), so... I wonder Why to do it? In Mono or Stereo the noise = is the same... IT IS THE AM HEART!!! Hahahahaha!!! If we have extreme interference noise at the LSB area, we could to move the= ISB AM Stereo tuner balance to the right and we get less noise (losing the= left audio). The opposite if the noise is at USB area. In C-Quam, it doesn= 't matter if the noise is at LSB or USB, whatever it comes from, it will al= ways reach the speakers, in Mono or Stereo mode. So... How much effective i= s to change to Mono? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 05:51:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79333 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2011 12:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2011 12:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.236.19) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 12:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 12:51:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.118] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 12:51:31 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 12:51:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 839280.26831.bm@omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10789 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2011 12:51:31 -0000 Message-ID: <601961.78765.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mDKIP90VM1nmGZCfA5rYI7S_OjkqcG3_oczOyNY1D2Xzn8v iedDyjMnNbHNzjHAs91LvxOAGSVtRg3T8V2JMMEFkp1Xviq_ln55jhAsao8K AnQQpX14tLPnGH49W4hAEZRff5OUueCSmyYR_QSsoon6rtFuSVup8sLwN2ed .v52jZ_wvQfqvsUF8Bv_pCN2sklB.8.lHWssZrdsSjc1.qckiC32fcZXCj2e _PTbADkQs5p76PXirGY8TRXiy8zjUx_SK6nXMmdA5m8BhWFSbPRTPLzJCpDA XaMfsrXO7s4CNyQt8lRQ6GNUETyK6UM9HPWdS0_QYet9io1t9P39YVkYDkHR 7hR9Tea.8DEwiI8_vvnt.MsahsYmNm7NJZp6Pu6brwPRTgSLXPkFR6iv_ X-Received: from [71.97.203.156] by web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:51:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/12.0.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:51:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.236.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History-2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=Pn8TQWoMpfdK5-v1RRPq6ti6k5vmvDQIM8h8cSLLh8muLLi4rA1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan... =A0 the change to=A0mono is very important.=A0 It is normally referred to as "b= lend", but it is really reducing the "L-R" content of the signal and theref= ore the L to R stereo separation.=A0 The real issue is the decoder L-R arct= angent function for the C-QUAM system.=A0 As the negative envelope modulati= on goes below 50 percent or so, the arctangent function increases the gain = of the L-R channel greatly.=A0 This increases the noise level greatly, but = as a peak noise=A0resulting from=A0the negative audio modulation peak.=A0 T= he listener hears a short but powerful noise burst during the negative peak= .=A0 Since it is a transient noise, it sounds like severe distortion rather= than the usual background AM noise. =A0 In the early C-QUAM decoders during the NAMSRC (National AM Stereo Radio Co= mmittee of the NAB)=A0test activity, Motorola used arctangent function with= large amounts of gain to compete with the Magnavox system.=A0 Both systems= were able to show excellent separation (about 40 dB) =A0into high levels o= f stereo content.=A0 But the decoder did permit the high noise bursts to oc= cur.=A0 Motorola guarded against exposing this as much as they could during= the NAMSRC test program.=A0=20 =A0 When the LM1981 came out, the arctangent function was limited to about 10 d= B gain to lessen this problem.=A0 This also required that the stereo conten= t never drive the envelope modulation over about 50 percent.=A0 If it did, = the decoder produced second order distortion.=A0 While the distortion value= could be significant, a listener would perceive the sound as "fuller" or "= richer".=A0 This was judged to be MUCH better than greating the negative en= velope modulation noise burst. =A0 Delco (GM Radio group) was very emphatic in wanting the "blend" function, s= ince they used it on all of the FM radio decoders to make a transition from= strong signal stereo to weak signal mono without the automotive listener h= aving to do anything.=A0 That way they masked the S/N degradation of the FM= stereo signal from the listener.=A0=20 =A0 Bob Streeter (Magnavox AM Stereo) =A0 --- On Mon, 3/28/11, Jota wrote: From: Jota Subject: {AMSF} Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History-2 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 4:48 PM --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > >=20 > PS: Yes, why can't the OEMs put a damn "ST" or 'Stereo' indicator on thei= r broadcast tuners anymore? Likewise on HD radios - it would be nice for bo= th analog stereo FM and IF there is a stereo trigger that can be indicated = on HD-AM for stereo in the HD mode? > Maybe (my idea) it is because there aren't mono stations, almost, today. So= ... they'd expect only stereo without any visual ID. I remember an old Philips desktop tuner which was always in stereo mode (ev= en if the station transmitted in mono). At the first time I used it, I thou= ght something was wrong with it, but not: it worked that way. I'm talking a= bout FM band only, of course. Of course, it is very nice to see the Stereo light. It is more... "confiden= ce" (even the fact we can note if the device is in Mono or Stereo mode just= hearing the sound). BTW, by obvious characteristics ISB AM Stereo can become very noisy because= an strong interference condition. Most of C-Quam tuners, in a very crowed = condition, change to mono. But... that kind of changing doesn't reduce the = noise (as in FM), so... I wonder Why to do it? In Mono or Stereo the noise = is the same... IT IS THE AM HEART!!! Hahahahaha!!! If we have extreme interference noise at the LSB area, we could to move the= ISB AM Stereo tuner balance to the right and we get less noise (losing the= left audio). The opposite if the noise is at USB area. In C-Quam, it doesn= 't matter if the noise is at LSB or USB, whatever it comes from, it will al= ways reach the speakers, in Mono or Stereo mode. So... How much effective i= s to change to Mono? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 06:33:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39982 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2011 13:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2011 13:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 13:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 13:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 13:33:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:33:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <601961.78765.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.45 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History-2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=t3ITKp0fL7oNpaq_FjIYf5PviVKyPHtXX3k_HWNqViabEfRMqw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Robert!!! Thank you so much for your very good explanation. As somebody said before: "the best proof for AM is the FM Stereo system" (b= ecause the stereo sub-carrier is AM and sounds so good). In this line, I ca= n add: "the best proof for ISB AM Stereo is C-Quam AM Stereo" (because all = the noise and distortion issues you wrote). I don't know why most of the today AM people seems to hate any related with= SSB or ISB. Maybe because they don't have use it? (like me which I'm and o= ld ham guy). SSB (and its relative ISB, DSB, DSBSC) was/is/will be the best solution to = a narrow channel with the best power efficient. Why not to use it? ??? ISB AM Stereo is simple, pure, basic and strong A.M. I guess there was too much "convincing" arguments from Motorola to "win" th= e last FCC favour. Hahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America,, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert Streeter wr= ote: > > Juan... > =EF=BF=BD > the change to=EF=BF=BDmono is very important.=EF=BF=BD It is normally ref= erred to as "blend", but it is really reducing the "L-R" content of the sig= nal and therefore the L to R stereo separation.=EF=BF=BD The real issue is = the decoder L-R arctangent function for the C-QUAM system.=EF=BF=BD As the = negative envelope modulation goes below 50 percent or so, the arctangent fu= nction increases the gain of the L-R channel greatly.=EF=BF=BD This increas= es the noise level greatly, but as a peak noise=EF=BF=BDresulting from=EF= =BF=BDthe negative audio modulation peak.=EF=BF=BD The listener hears a sho= rt but powerful noise burst during the negative peak.=EF=BF=BD Since it is = a transient noise, it sounds like severe distortion rather than the usual b= ackground AM noise. > =EF=BF=BD > In the early C-QUAM decoders during the NAMSRC (National AM Stereo Radio = Committee of the NAB)=EF=BF=BDtest activity, Motorola used arctangent funct= ion with large amounts of gain to compete with the Magnavox system.=EF=BF= =BD Both systems were able to show excellent separation (about 40 dB) =EF= =BF=BDinto high levels of stereo content.=EF=BF=BD But the decoder did perm= it the high noise bursts to occur.=EF=BF=BD Motorola guarded against exposi= ng this as much as they could during the NAMSRC test program.=EF=BF=BD=20 > =EF=BF=BD > When the LM1981 came out, the arctangent function was limited to about 10= dB gain to lessen this problem.=EF=BF=BD This also required that the stere= o content never drive the envelope modulation over about 50 percent.=EF=BF= =BD If it did, the decoder produced second order distortion.=EF=BF=BD While= the distortion value could be significant, a listener would perceive the s= ound as "fuller" or "richer".=EF=BF=BD This was judged to be MUCH better th= an greating the negative envelope modulation noise burst. > =EF=BF=BD > Delco (GM Radio group) was very emphatic in wanting the "blend" function,= since they used it on all of the FM radio decoders to make a transition fr= om strong signal stereo to weak signal mono without the automotive listener= having to do anything.=EF=BF=BD That way they masked the S/N degradation o= f the FM stereo signal from the listener.=EF=BF=BD=20 > =EF=BF=BD > Bob Streeter (Magnavox AM Stereo) > =EF=BF=BD > --- On Mon, 3/28/11, Jota wrote: >=20 >=20 > From: Jota > Subject: {AMSF} Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History-2 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 4:48 PM >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > > >=20 > > PS: Yes, why can't the OEMs put a damn "ST" or 'Stereo' indicator on th= eir broadcast tuners anymore? Likewise on HD radios - it would be nice for = both analog stereo FM and IF there is a stereo trigger that can be indicate= d on HD-AM for stereo in the HD mode? > > >=20 > Maybe (my idea) it is because there aren't mono stations, almost, today. = So... they'd expect only stereo without any visual ID. >=20 > I remember an old Philips desktop tuner which was always in stereo mode (= even if the station transmitted in mono). At the first time I used it, I th= ought something was wrong with it, but not: it worked that way. I'm talking= about FM band only, of course. >=20 > Of course, it is very nice to see the Stereo light. It is more... "confid= ence" (even the fact we can note if the device is in Mono or Stereo mode ju= st hearing the sound). >=20 > BTW, by obvious characteristics ISB AM Stereo can become very noisy becau= se an strong interference condition. Most of C-Quam tuners, in a very crowe= d condition, change to mono. But... that kind of changing doesn't reduce th= e noise (as in FM), so... I wonder Why to do it? In Mono or Stereo the nois= e is the same... IT IS THE AM HEART!!! Hahahahaha!!! >=20 > If we have extreme interference noise at the LSB area, we could to move t= he ISB AM Stereo tuner balance to the right and we get less noise (losing t= he left audio). The opposite if the noise is at USB area. In C-Quam, it doe= sn't matter if the noise is at LSB or USB, whatever it comes from, it will = always reach the speakers, in Mono or Stereo mode. So... How much effective= is to change to Mono? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Mar 31 11:32:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57476 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2011 18:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2011 18:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f54.google.com) (209.85.212.54) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 18:32:36 -0000 X-Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so2586506vws.13 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:32:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.92.161 with SMTP id cn1mr4068695vdb.253.1301596356312; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from hs50eb30caac69 (67-1-25-68.tcso.qwest.net [67.1.25.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20sm751845vbz.20.2011.03.31.11.32.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <639845CD1CFB4C5D8EEC4FF6FCCE30C5@hs50eb30caac69> To: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:32:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.54 From: "hank smith" Subject: kcjj 4 hour mp3 recordings? 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I can't find my copy thanks hank email: hanksmith5@gmail.com check out my youtube video of a song I recorded in nashville tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 12:01:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5252 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2011 19:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2011 19:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 19:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 19:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 19:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 19:01:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:01:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <639845CD1CFB4C5D8EEC4FF6FCCE30C5@hs50eb30caac69> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.196.85.45 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: kcjj 4 hour mp3 recordings? 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Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > hello > a while back some one posted a show some one recorded from kcjj it consid= ed=20 > of think it was a 4 hour show > can some one repost the link 2 grab those? > I can't find my copy > thanks > hank > email: > hanksmith5@... > check out my youtube video of a song I recorded in nashville tennessee! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMqut5Bi3e7A > From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Thu Mar 31 21:04:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48823 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2011 04:04:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2011 04:04:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2011 04:04:01 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B5E6C085 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:04:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4D954EAF.6010803@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:03:59 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History-2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=C7YCS9zgRlBmQNpDmZTfN7DEpq9Su9JIewZ8ROUznu-T8A X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >In the early C-QUAM decoders during the NAMSRC >(National AM Stereo Radio Committee of the NAB) >test activity, Motorola used arctangent function with >large amounts of gain to compete with the Magnavox >system. Both systems were able to show excellent >separation (about 40 dB) into high levels of stereo >content. But the decoder did permit the high noise >bursts to occur. Motorola guarded against exposing >this as much as they could during the NAMSRC test >program. The fact that the distortion correction to convert C-QuAM back to QuAM operates on both amplitude and phase and that the peak for both 1+L+R & L-R occurs at the same time thus producing maximum correction during negative peak modulation the C-QuAM system will only preform best in a little to no noise environment. Add in enough noise to push the phase past 71.56°, which is a gain of 3 for 75% single channel modulation, would easily cause the cosine corrector circuit to go to its maximum gain whatever that may be. At 85° the gain approaches 12. I doesn't take much of a noise component to push it another 18° or so, approaching infinity. Ironically if audio phasing for ISB was used on a C-QuAM exciter, 1+L+R peaks when the L-R signal is a the zero crossing and vice-versa, sine is at 0 when cosine is at 1, would naturally offer better performance and immunity during interference. A C-QuAMed ISB audio signal would produce less distortion with a greater single channel modulation capability under the same amount of noise interference than just plain C-QuAM offering superior noise immunity during stronger levels of interference when a C-QuAM signal would just fall apart. In this graph shows what is happening to the phase for both QuAM and ISB: http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/PhasePlot.gif And here is the cosine correction factor: http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/CosinePhi.gif Notice at 270° when the envelope is at -75% modulation the phase for the ISB signal is at 0° and gain has returned to 1 where the phase for QuAM is at 71.56° and the gain is 3. Looking back on the decoding process for Kahn ISB, it shows that a small amount of carrier from the PLL is added to the incoming signal before being demodulated by ~50% with the inverse modulator, thus improving the protection ratio of the signal before L-R is detected with a synch detector. Adding the small carrier improves the phase protection during negative modulation while also easing the strain on the inverse modulator. Imagine equal parts of the input signal, one fully limited being added to the unlimited one, only improving the protection ratio, similar to what is happening in the Magnavox PMX system. This whole demodulating scheme improves the L-R signal detection process during noisy conditions while the cosine corrector circuit for C-QuAM only makes it worse. It really shows the maturity of the Kahn ISB detection process, something that was probably developed through much field testing under noisy conditions. JSG From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 01 04:57:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3339 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2011 11:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2011 11:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.54) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2011 11:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 11:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.235] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 11:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 11:57:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 470712.64837.bm@omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 82733 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2011 11:57:11 -0000 Message-ID: <283095.82670.qm@web120511.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: facoFpsVM1kSl_YmLFPSIdCB8HiPy0PSMxE._HqK5hQp_KE .Y7qG.j2rXCYnNzke3cCvkzLCoGiE0rDVtncg6gFbyUVyP8cufqjF.4QvR4K 3MWO_9hbm1WlOo0LcWOwMQkGw.4fGp34bZ9Z9DQHGZ37EmU1w1aVAUONbxWg lQlt3FmY6Ryd.cFxdtJ_vzIqVkUfa2JCJiwFwQtKh_o06uStbQKy4L0AgsDp wH02rf6IFiRIgOamGjCfpPsV46XFLQrCjaYyLELOf4E2PeeH7iF4BUBD3XWU qLNkJ8BnD_RUxj8rpAtHGmKhJ189BUsjqicsnxBnQe1g_VHBRlJonUyWMc6r gmcCALJARUiVZt1GSWFTo0C_n1_hybxNS8A2rAkUXfztobmuT.Ob8cQ-- X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120511.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 04:57:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/12.0.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 04:57:11 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.54 From: JNR Subject: Do we have any willing solder jockies? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=-JHcXvssRp_A3DphaQ5i_VdsPyYMH-TZa2ZnsVU-eDJGfOxEc-Sz X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I spoke with Bob Bittner, owner of WJIB/740-Cambridge, Massachusetts over F= acebook about the status of stereo on WJIB.=A0 We have a chance to bring st= ereo back to the Greater Boston area.=A0 A couple of years ago, WJIB's exci= ter was fried when N*Star dropped 600VAC line onto some wires & blew out th= e stereo exciter.=A0 I don't know what shape it's in now.=A0 It sounded lik= e it was an external exciter & not powered by the XMTR. itself because the = way I heard it=20 Do we have anybody reading this who'd be willing to take on this project fo= r free, to repair this exciter to working service to restore C-QUAM to the = Boston area? WJIB is on 740kc. with 250 watts day, 5 watts night.=A0 Its night xmtr. is = a mono LPB unit.=A0 WJIB is a listener-supported commercial station running= an easy listening format.=A0 Bob essentially operates WJIB & mono sister W= JTO/730-Bath, Maine as goodwill efforts & a retirement hobby.=A0 He refuses= advertising from the "colon blow" people & their ilk.=A0 His stations oper= ate "in the public interest, convenience and necessity."=A0 If you want to = read more about WJIB, the website is wjib740.com. So, if there's anyone willing to undertake this project for free (he does a= nnounce the names of people who have financially contributed to the station= from what I've read so there may be some name recognition but don't quote = me), I'll ask him for the exciter.=A0 If the exciter does run on 120VAC, I'= m willing to purchase a Tripp-Lite surge protector (in case N*Star still ca= n't figure out how to properly wire up something). Thanks & 73, Jay N1WVQ, V31VQ, WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 01 10:05:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92868 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2011 17:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2011 17:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2011 17:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 17:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 17:05:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:05:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D954EAF.6010803@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.103 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: LM1981 AM Stereo Decoder Chip History-2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=WlWFFdHRZuOxwfu0BKiFDqKWW3n-wwX7ZR81mo3yR0rgwJ0-ZA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! As a not college engineer guy, I wonder if we could leave apart all the mat= hematical cryptic notes and speak about the practical, audible part. In this line, obviously ISB AM Stereo (whatever the way you chose to get it= ) is better than any other system because the FINAL RESULT is pure, linear = and strong AM. Theorycally and practically, C-Quam has a very good basic problem: the L-R = channel is a noisy environment: it can't use the full "second channel" beca= use it uses a QUAM signal, so the L-R is using just the 50% of the whole QU= AM signal and, the worst thing is that the other L+R part is used only as a= reference to the C-Quam decoder (instead to use it directly to decode the = stereo matrix). So, the L-R can't take advantage of that full "second" chan= nel. In this line, a full L-R on a phase modulated carrier (as a "second channel= ") is better. But, everybody knows that a phase or frecuency modulated carr= ier has too much sidebands than the old, primitive, pre-historic but absolu= tely best efficient pure AM. For all these reason, the best choice was/is/will be ISB AM Stereo. The only one thing that scares me is about the tuners. From your words, I'm= suspecting the use of synchronous detectors isn't a general practice into = the tuner manufacters world, today. I really hope I'm wrong but If I'm righ= t, then we don't have enough good tuners, today. And, if we don't have enou= gh good tuners, then we're preaching in the desert. The only one way to get a decent AM signal (mono or stereo, whatever the st= ereo system you want) is with synchronous detectors. From the first civil S= SB age (WW2), we know the importance of this issue. But, if the tuners don'= t use it, From where will we get the enough minimal tuning quality? ??? And... Who will be the guy which gets the tuners industry changes its kind = of mind? ??? Think about this: most of the 50% of the devices WITH... tuning part (radio= ), here in Chile, today, DON'T HAVE AM, no MW, no SWs. And we can criticize= the FM bands of that devices, too (bad antennas, too much stereo noise, lo= w audio quality, etc.). Philips used to be the best AM tuners here, Also, Grundig and Telefunken. T= oday, Sony, LG, Samsung, Pioneer, Philips and others "orient" brands fill o= ur commerce stores with "n" number of audio devices, most of them WITHOUT A= M BANDS, and the one you get with AM... often are a piece of sh... SO... The old good-known problem: WHERE ARE THE GOOD AM TUNERS? ??? WHO WILL GET A CHANGE, REAL CHANGE, ABOUT THIS? ??? I bet and I love AM, analog AM, mono or stereo, but... What we win if we do= n't get good tuners? ??? Just crazy ideas from a mad man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 01 11:14:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28208 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2011 18:14:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2011 18:14:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2011 18:14:47 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110401131442102858800010> for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:14:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4D96160A.9050602@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:14:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:14:42 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <283095.82670.qm@web120511.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <283095.82670.qm@web120511.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110401-1, 04/01/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do we have any willing solder jockies? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=eUCFROziytQvbl7j_7OVGQ4fWZsYBbbsCk9L_HI9P49XIa1V6r31 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/1/2011 6:57 AM, JNR wrote: > I spoke with Bob Bittner, owner of WJIB/740-Cambridge, Massachusetts > over Facebook about the status of stereo on WJIB. We have a chance to > bring stereo back to the Greater Boston area. A couple of years ago, > WJIB's exciter was fried when N*Star dropped 600VAC line onto some wires > & blew out the stereo exciter. I don't know what shape it's in now. It > sounded like it was an external exciter & not powered by the XMTR. > itself because the way I heard it > > Do we have anybody reading this who'd be willing to take on this project > for free, to repair this exciter to working service to restore C-QUAM to > the Boston area? > So, if there's anyone willing to undertake this project for free (he > does announce the names of people who have financially contributed to > the station from what I've read so there may be some name recognition > but don't quote me), I'll ask him for the exciter. If the exciter does > run on 120VAC, I'm willing to purchase a Tripp-Lite surge protector (in > case N*Star still can't figure out how to properly wire up something). > > Thanks & 73, > Jay > N1WVQ, V31VQ, WQBI410 What make and model were they using and would they send it out of state to have it done? I'm not the fastest in the west, but I can get it done. I might want to shotgun the caps while I've got it open and I know that some, like the BE AX-10 and Moto 1400 (essentially the same box except for front panel design, meters and switches) used LOTS of them, hence the question. Speaking of which, I do have an AX-10 in unrestored condition that I'll let them use in the interim if it proves to work. I tallied up the number of caps and decided on what I'd like to replace them with, and came up over $100 in parts so I haven't done a rebuild yet. Then again, everything from 4.7u and under would be replaced with film types and those get expensive in a hurry, but it's one less thing to go wrong ever again, and the electrolytics would be better than OEM. But then I'm a reliability freak. Got a question for the other techs on this list which is related to any rebuild I do. There's a company that rebuilds analog Orban processors and one thing they do is upgrade the chips in them. Chips like the TL074 have some much better pin for pin direct replacements. What I'd like to know is who might be able to supply me that info once I need it? Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 01 13:19:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70460 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2011 20:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2011 20:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2011 20:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 20:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 20:19:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:19:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.103 From: "Jota" Subject: Files menu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=r87NBrk0m9248kQ9hevJetChtSxmpoYF8fLFCC54HvSayxk6Zw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Can somebody get some more room to the forum's file menu? ??? It is full and we can't upload files. Please... GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 01 19:34:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52808 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2011 02:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2011 02:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.75) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2011 02:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2011 02:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.235] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2011 02:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2011 02:34:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 966816.56573.bm@omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 733 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2011 02:34:48 -0000 Message-ID: <701110.718.qm@web120519.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EvoFdu4VM1kmG3LhoxKnkYWQiMtE4iUzv1ozW9zn99eFp8W C.5rh8J1ycpzab.UGl_Jc8mD3yhMoWeUTz24QKqAv.kVuEwUCIvNiY9zdJ7O rg_OtyZDJzyFnelJwpknszOKD1zDB931KVWb6skBJHZcfH86S0klysWarP9_ _hORYIzMmCr8O.KAC0F4CLcLr0zYj7QHmi1QnvlinRa0GJR.4pRm.5Fzt9NI DhfRyKvop39OOpBw5CuVPMRlDNjRvQz_Z_xeRlyEOvH7z_..1n0b0HqD_664 ALk.uJzv3SWFpiOcfgYRTFxlsIboIQgjyLIwv1dZTdBJmj_qbJWvLitg2Zys u3q_cRHXgmgkyROY7cGQ546FyDqiYWE1pdJAh44auMD.3dQFQWSqO7w-- X-Received: from [71.126.50.104] by web120519.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:34:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/12.0.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:34:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4D96160A.9050602@usfamily.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.75 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do we have any willing solder jockies? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=wxIaFNO4IlNKR5x1nFcwtyqrVMAnPkRfcwJySzVFdclB8Ad7ERLq X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've forwarded part of the e-mail.=C2=A0 As far as I can gather, it is a De= lta Electronics exciter.=C2=A0 He's got 2 Nautel XMTRs. & only one would wo= rk with the exciter. 73, Jay --- On Fri, 4/1/11, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do we have any willing solder jockies? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 2:14 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 4/1/2011 6:57 AM, JNR wrote: > I spoke with Bob Bittner, owner of WJIB/740-Cambridge, Massachusetts > over Facebook about the status of stereo on WJIB. We have a chance to > bring stereo back to the Greater Boston area. A couple of years ago, > WJIB's exciter was fried when N*Star dropped 600VAC line onto some wires > & blew out the stereo exciter. I don't know what shape it's in now. It > sounded like it was an external exciter & not powered by the XMTR. > itself because the way I heard it > > Do we have anybody reading this who'd be willing to take on this project > for free, to repair this exciter to working service to restore C-QUAM to > the Boston area? > So, if there's anyone willing to undertake this project for free (he > does announce the names of people who have financially contributed to > the station from what I've read so there may be some name recognition > but don't quote me), I'll ask him for the exciter. If the exciter does > run on 120VAC, I'm willing to purchase a Tripp-Lite surge protector (in > case N*Star still can't figure out how to properly wire up something). > > Thanks & 73, > Jay > N1WVQ, V31VQ, WQBI410 What make and model were they using and would they send it out of state=20 to have it done? I'm not the fastest in the west, but I can get it=20 done. I might want to shotgun the caps while I've got it open and I=20 know that some, like the BE AX-10 and Moto 1400 (essentially the same=20 box except for front panel design, meters and switches) used LOTS of=20 them, hence the question. Speaking of which, I do have an AX-10 in unrestored condition that I'll=20 let them use in the interim if it proves to work. I tallied up the=20 number of caps and decided on what I'd like to replace them with, and=20 came up over $100 in parts so I haven't done a rebuild yet. Then again,=20 everything from 4.7u and under would be replaced with film types and=20 those get expensive in a hurry, but it's one less thing to go wrong ever=20 again, and the electrolytics would be better than OEM. But then I'm a=20 reliability freak. Got a question for the other techs on this list which is related to any=20 rebuild I do. There's a company that rebuilds analog Orban processors=20 and one thing they do is upgrade the chips in them. Chips like the=20 TL074 have some much better pin for pin direct replacements. What I'd=20 like to know is who might be able to supply me that info once I need it? Scott Todd =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 01 19:35:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79185 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2011 02:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2011 02:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.54) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2011 02:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2011 02:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.4] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2011 02:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2011 02:35:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 730670.95638.bm@omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75593 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2011 02:35:46 -0000 Message-ID: <124501.75268.qm@web120520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: t1cGpSMVM1kNaYj16eXbTT_lBXwPyjxZ8BLvZmwcaDKwvCR hUE5bdyoXYJAcF2Nw.VxUarMVm.i0V2csUJdrlCd1cKEeiG6l1vsrh2OpHQu EyZ7T1EYCGhRJlx1NIuICVZaNRethIkU2Ws.gAI9Dlce6ZNSjPZbzN4g_MTY 9ADSPXrlqfcK6hUltvVYd_ZODZsGJnNShjj5FKPV6hu_K9DQ5WcFriuph5ah 15iIljIUetf0wS2tKnHMQsClvZ0YXqMjoDdGlR2DtQYL9k065gWKnQAjd6dO .lScEfDKQN8lq2cO7uXBM3mV8TykfctzP6nlBQHDbBQcPZ.K0HMcg7oKx4CW W1aRE8kiatQqKqCOcxtOSW_iNNWgEJMtx.p30TzWdIUTWYEwZ5.JgpnJkJg- - X-Received: from [71.126.50.104] by web120520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:35:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/12.0.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:35:44 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Happy birthday to... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=wa0SGtdBWCsYKi0kXbXRhK_7WWBjnLVLyTGvd-mRmSpf3_Yn5yMr X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WNMB!=A0 28 years young today!=A0 Thank you Bill for keeping the stereo goi= ng strong! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Apr 03 13:57:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44471 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2011 20:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2011 20:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2011 20:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2011 20:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2011 20:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2011 20:57:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 20:57:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.122.172.142 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: ok lets try this yet again-delta ase2 for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=7bw7xiMOj-E88gA_t1NJI1-zIHC03BiQ9Ncbp2F1guSY X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i have an excellent condition ase2 cquam exciter for sale. has ttl and high= level options and manual. asking $400 plus shipping will ship international buyer responsible for dut= ies taxes tariffs in receiving country. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 04 11:43:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30185 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2011 18:43:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2011 18:43:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2011 18:43:12 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2011 18:43:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2011 18:43:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2011 18:43:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 18:43:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D954EAF.6010803@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: AM Stereo Decoder Chip History-3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=OW32dXG6QTguBoRxpLf1X9GJiT4Dk2FO_gJbX957cVhGD-Vhr6pDr5E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hello Everybody, When I would listen on the "1st Generation" AM stereo tuners/receivers, (us= ing the MC13020P and) including the original Sony AMS chipset, when a 1960'= s stereo song was played with really heavy bass all in just one channel, I = would get some significant distortion, and bleed-over into the other channe= l. HOWEVER, the 2nd the 3rd generation chipsets fixed this! The fantastic= FANFARE FTA-100 AM Stereo Tuner must have used one of the later, as I coul= d listen to a stereo song with bass all in one channel, and the was NO audi= ble distortion whatsoever, so the updated chips/sets, were fantastic for AM= stereo reception. 73's John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 04 11:52:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57539 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2011 18:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2011 18:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2011 18:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2011 18:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2011 18:52:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 18:52:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: HD Radios and Tuners that Receive C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=s-E56_C4d1bzJDUPwJY6Pc4g6gtiXYovUV8KBz6QiC4MKKibwPVw-3A X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi, Does our group have a list somewhere of what radios/tuners/add-on adapters = for HD radio that decode (by design or by accident) C-Quam stereo? (or Magn= avox or others, for that matter?) The Sangean 2nd generation HD radio tuner does decode C-QUAM by design, and= even has an analog AM Stereo indicator! Someone said the initial Visteon/Ford tuner had both C-Quam and HD, but you= needed a very strong CQuam signal to get it to decode. I just found out that in addition to Best Buy's Insignia HD tuner (similar = to the 1st generation Sangean tuner), that Radio Shack offers an HD TUNER t= hat looks like the Sangean - BUT it includes an optical and coaxial digital= output lacking on the others. The AM section is weird and full of hetrody= nes, but I'm wondering if it decodes C-QUAM, or if the design is more like = the 2nd gen Sangean than the 1st gen version? Can anyone report on the Radio Shack "Auvio" #31-134 HD Tuner? Looks like = it might be a good deal while it's on sale - IF it decodes C-Quam! 73's John From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Apr 04 12:50:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53238 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2011 19:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2011 19:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wy0-f179.google.com) (74.125.82.179) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2011 19:50:19 -0000 X-Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so6292754wyg.24 for ; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:50:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.216.62.137 with SMTP id y9mr4135462wec.107.1301946618563; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from hs50eb30caac69 (67-1-25-68.tcso.qwest.net [67.1.25.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f52sm2421424wes.11.2011.04.04.12.50.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <378E8C4BBA9D4BA1B55F9486CDA93CA7@hs50eb30caac69> To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:49:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.82.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radios and Tuners that Receive C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=RghwDQuBL_3ohcvgEcppxd6fChLI479aHFDdXZORFiV_RXWlgMpy X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what model is the second genera5tion sangeen? I am going to assume that the third and fourth gen doesn't have this feature? Hank email: hanksmith5@gmail.com skype: hanksmith5 check out my youtube video of a song I recorded in nashville tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} HD Radios and Tuners that Receive C-QUAM Hi, Does our group have a list somewhere of what radios/tuners/add-on adapters for HD radio that decode (by design or by accident) C-Quam stereo? (or Magnavox or others, for that matter?) The Sangean 2nd generation HD radio tuner does decode C-QUAM by design, and even has an analog AM Stereo indicator! Someone said the initial Visteon/Ford tuner had both C-Quam and HD, but you needed a very strong CQuam signal to get it to decode. I just found out that in addition to Best Buy's Insignia HD tuner (similar to the 1st generation Sangean tuner), that Radio Shack offers an HD TUNER that looks like the Sangean - BUT it includes an optical and coaxial digital output lacking on the others. The AM section is weird and full of hetrodynes, but I'm wondering if it decodes C-QUAM, or if the design is more like the 2nd gen Sangean than the 1st gen version? Can anyone report on the Radio Shack "Auvio" #31-134 HD Tuner? Looks like it might be a good deal while it's on sale - IF it decodes C-Quam! 73's John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 04 17:57:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19676 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2011 00:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2011 00:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2011 00:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2011 00:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2011 00:57:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 00:57:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <124501.75268.qm@web120520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Happy birthday to... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=FRcNnUkiHkiLkR1JEil0sDh3p2_YYpzHUz7SciOQPtzhcw7rvZU88cE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Bill has some fantastic audio processing and booming bass on that station w= hen I'm down that way. Driving thru once it sounded like a mono audio feed = with a stereo pilot, BUT it still took my radio into wide bandwidth mode an= d it sounded damn nice. So thanks Bill - WNMB - a great sounding AM stereo = station and programming too! John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > WNMB!=A0 28 years young today!=A0 Thank you Bill for keeping the stereo g= oing strong! >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 04 19:48:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49841 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2011 02:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2011 02:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2011 02:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2011 02:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2011 02:47:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 02:47:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.108.38 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: HD Radios and Tuners that Receive C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=2Nu43ta7-8YhwZR8-HZA2Jw1fHEffDGLjk5Mjs5yxWkiVanSZ9rHulyU-eBmqNm4abi4DHOi X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi I would like to here the out come of the C-QuAM status of the Auvio 31-1= 34 HD Radio. I mite be able to get KJUG AM STEREO 1270 better. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Hi, > Does our group have a list somewhere of what radios/tuners/add-on adapter= s for HD radio that decode (by design or by accident) C-Quam stereo? (or Ma= gnavox or others, for that matter?) >=20 > The Sangean 2nd generation HD radio tuner does decode C-QUAM by design, a= nd even has an analog AM Stereo indicator! >=20 > Someone said the initial Visteon/Ford tuner had both C-Quam and HD, but y= ou needed a very strong CQuam signal to get it to decode. >=20 > I just found out that in addition to Best Buy's Insignia HD tuner (simila= r to the 1st generation Sangean tuner), that Radio Shack offers an HD TUNER= that looks like the Sangean - BUT it includes an optical and coaxial digit= al output lacking on the others. The AM section is weird and full of hetro= dynes, but I'm wondering if it decodes C-QUAM, or if the design is more lik= e the 2nd gen Sangean than the 1st gen version? >=20 > Can anyone report on the Radio Shack "Auvio" #31-134 HD Tuner? Looks lik= e it might be a good deal while it's on sale - IF it decodes C-Quam! >=20 > 73's > John > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 05 05:32:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87081 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2011 12:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2011 12:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2011 12:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2011 12:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2011 12:32:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:32:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <378E8C4BBA9D4BA1B55F9486CDA93CA7@hs50eb30caac69> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Sangean HDT-1X much better than the old HDT-1. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0C8F0W3RyCnd9IxicsGOPThz8tMAj-be6a62s2avJVs9iaOyK-BLh8I X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hank the 2nd (and last) generation Sangean is the HDT-1X. And the "x" at th= e end makes a huge difference. The HDT-1X version includes the optical digi= tal output, signal levels in the display, C-QUAM AM stereo, a stereo indica= tor, and a way to put one channel on analog and the other on digital so tha= t an engineer can set the delay between the two more acurrately. It also i= ncludes a switch to force the tuner to stay in analog and not switch to dig= tal, as some stations have worse audio in HD digital as they have the bitra= te cut for their subchannels. 73's John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 05 18:35:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87006 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2011 01:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2011 01:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2011 01:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 01:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 01:35:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 01:35:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.198 From: "Jota" Subject: AM Stereo IC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jZ7rbVPpdy5sPoZ7llcFgnvBSGlsHRSmV0Q8Q-0P2aq25tt51g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I guess the Motorola MC13028A is the last manufactured AM stereo decoder ch= ip. I wonder if it is available to be sold, easily, today (I mean standard = retail way), how does it cost and... where. Some idea? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 05 18:39:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78322 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2011 01:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2011 01:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2011 01:39:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 01:39:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 01:39:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 01:38:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.198 From: "Jota" Subject: AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=0nAaCoCQNLXDiGpVj7rqiwfdlK-KCJ9Z8pI0XyaqVOCKS-Jt2w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if someone tested an AM Stereo system (any of them) with only vacu= um tubes technology... ??? Some idea??? Results??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Apr 05 19:13:44 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29960 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2011 02:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2011 02:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2011 02:13:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1302055970; bh=UuYTFGqHLjfCHI+Ek7utWnMiaWvzhenRHzWc6njqKCA=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=h/ZqaqPW/dA8MMMrHMngovmEcteYvJCrCTo/06AtxV3xSkORPoefOsROXj1p08KVWLaYJKvIhZisibIexTVhaDxuKP0DAkAGA0spv/914aoRLhE8cOqy/fHmE4dHueHQ Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 02:12:50 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 02:12:50 -0000 Date: 6 Apr 2011 02:12:48 -0000 Message-ID: <1302055968.28266.24975.w6@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : ISB AM Stereo sample (carrier = 10 kHz). You need to build an ISB AM Stereo tuner to "catch" the 10 kHz carrier and decode the stereo original sound. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/1965%20-%20THE%20MAMAS%20%26%20THE%20PAPAS%20-%20California%20Dreamin.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, jotape1960 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 06 00:41:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87785 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2011 07:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2011 07:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2011 07:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 07:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 07:41:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 07:41:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:41:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.125.100 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=6yA5OFVvRE8GWU1c13JwFWtB8fia4dOa9WhN1W2TK24fOkbpesuro9HbM1d5ZPCdIy6McPlx X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Jaun At one time about 8 years ago some one was talking about that on th= is forum. I don't know what ever happend after that. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if someone tested an AM Stereo system (any of them) with only va= cuum tubes technology... ??? Some idea??? Results??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > From awhichello@ieee.org Wed Apr 06 02:49:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: whichello@velocitynet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47200 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2011 09:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2011 09:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO m0.velocity.net.au) (203.17.154.25) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2011 09:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.3] (152.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au [122.49.202.152]) by m0.velocity.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2139860059 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:49:03 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D9C36F8.1020207@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:48:40 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.17.154.25 X-eGroups-From: apw From: apw Reply-To: awhichello@ieee.org Subject: Re: AM Stereo IC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=fgBNHMnRi_RCPYkwn4YBBHMQlpMR2V3vGee-9xA3xefKSA X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 > I guess the Motorola MC13028A is the last manufactured AM stereo decoder chip. I wonder if it is available to be sold, easily, today (I mean standard retail way), how does it cost and... where. See http://mysite.verizon.net/tekel/amstereo/ccuff.htm#decoders or email Chris Cuff, amstereoguy@hotmail.com I got a couple of his MC13028A based decoders a couple of years ago and they work well. Better than Ge diode detectors, even on mono stations. One went into my own wideband AM radio and the other is connected to the 455kHz IF out on my Redsun RP2100. Chris charged me $25 each plus postage. Adrian. From awhichello@ieee.org Wed Apr 06 02:54:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: whichello@velocitynet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26054 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2011 09:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2011 09:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO m0.velocity.net.au) (203.17.154.25) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2011 09:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.3] (152.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au [122.49.202.152]) by m0.velocity.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDB660049 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:54:14 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D9C382E.40109@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:53:50 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.17.154.25 X-eGroups-From: apw From: apw Reply-To: awhichello@ieee.org Subject: Re: AM Stereo IC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=L6LfijXsnJTpQUs-T4731rFeyzhQZtecx8ShsMkCqnVNng X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 > I guess the Motorola MC13028A is the last manufactured AM stereo decoder chip. I wonder if it is available to be sold, easily, today (I mean standard retail way), how does it cost and... where. Oops! I actually got the AM stereo decoder boards from amstereo@meduci.com not amstereoguy@hotmail.com Meduci PO BOX 592917 Orlando, FL 32859-2917 United States 407-368-8968 Adrian. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 06 06:06:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93817 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2011 13:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2011 13:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2011 13:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 13:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 13:06:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 13:06:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=nbFNDvOulFECRokiNdbm9jkzu-3F0PlEv73bjgSnLNkQqHhH7CwaStw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan, the MC13028 chip was one of the last made by Motorola; Moto realized = that they could make much more money screwing our police and fire departmen= ts by obsoleting 5 year old analog radio parts and forcing them to buy new = expensive digital hardware, and also making cellphones.=20 Anyhow, Motorola got out of the IC manufacturing business and sold it to "O= N Semiconductor" who has failed miserably in keeping our beloved Motorola c= hips alive. John From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Apr 06 10:05:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2342 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2011 17:05:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2011 17:05:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2011 17:05:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 17:05:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2011 17:05:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 17:05:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=s6NKbK1naUQvzvflVFQSMTvCFxXGTnKaqPjGchosVz_q X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Hi Juan, The closest I came was putting an LM 1981 in a tube AM tuner. It worked pre= tty good. See a picture of it at: http://www.wa2fnq.com/fnq/amstrpic.htm Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if someone tested an AM Stereo system (any of them) with only va= cuum tubes technology... ??? Some idea??? Results??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 08 13:50:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98517 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2011 20:50:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2011 20:50:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2011 20:50:12 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110408155002100289100010> for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 15:50:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4D9F74E8.5020708@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 15:49:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 15:50:02 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110408-1, 04/08/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=rv-TQE3zNw1b8LC1BcfxtEx_seX4DDByE7mR6-6ciap_bLO13e7Z X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/5/2011 8:39 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > > I wonder if someone tested an AM Stereo system (any of them) with only > vacuum tubes technology... ??? Some idea??? Results??? > That was tried in the early 60s, but the FCC put the kabosh on AM stereo back then so FM stereo could give that band time to catch up. Only a system similar to Magnavox or Belar (AM/PM; AM/FM) could be done with just a few tubes. The current Motorola, Kahn, and Harris systems would be nearly impossible with vacuum tube technology. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 08 21:28:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60761 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2011 04:27:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2011 04:27:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2011 04:27:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2011 04:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2011 04:27:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 04:27:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D9F74E8.5020708@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.33 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=dt0kUq4Vb2kPvu6gSlNud9fQYA7g-6dd5yfGytdWzxvQIRZ7-w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > >=20 > That was tried in the early 60s, but the FCC put the kabosh on AM stereo= =20 > back then so FM stereo could give that band time to catch up. Only a=20 > system similar to Magnavox or Belar (AM/PM; AM/FM) could be done with=20 > just a few tubes. The current Motorola, Kahn, and Harris systems would=20 > be nearly impossible with vacuum tube technology. >=20 > Scott Todd > Hi Scott!!! It was a pity the FCC decision at that time. I wonder how the AM radio woul= d be today if the FCC had allowed the AM Stereo in the 60's. But, I can't understand why you say "Motorola, Kahn and Harris systems woul= d be nearly impossible with vaccum tube technology" ??? Up to my very limited knowledge, the vacuum tube technology has only two li= mitations (disadvantages) in comparison with the solid state world: (1) Tub= es become exhausted with the years, and (2) Tubes "eat" more electric power= to produce the same the transistors give. But, I can't see any reason to "= not-get" the necessary phase modulation tricks needed to C-Quam, Kahn and/o= r Harris systems. In facts, I had and old Heathkit vacuum tube transceptor which "built" all = the SSB modulation process with tubes (BTW, all that glorius device used va= cuum tube technology only). Believe it or not the unwanted sideband and the= carrier supression was around 45 dB or better. Everybody knows we need a lot of filtering and/or phase modulation tricks t= o get SSB and... there is just a little step from SSB to ISB AM Stereo. If = that old device could do it... Why not today with better filters, tubes, et= c.? ??? In the other hand, C-Quam, isn't more complex than ISB or SSB, so... Why no= t with tubes? OK, I know the tubes technology is something from the pre-historic age, yes= , but with all the today economical crisis and the high level price of some= solid state devices (specially those related with radio world), then... ma= ybe... to see into the past could be an option. Just crazy ideas from a mad man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Apr 08 23:41:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40770 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2011 06:40:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2011 06:40:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2011 06:40:56 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p396et7C024616 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 02:40:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.ef8.14c39357 (55733) for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 02:40:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d27.mail.aol.com (magic-d27.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.161]) by cia-md03.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD038-d9b54d9fff723e5; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 02:40:50 -0400 Message-ID: <113c27.447dbaba.3ad15972@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 02:40:50 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=WN7plDnkBHGY1klBpsNs4m64Z8rKWk32IESgUvCgtaoH9p4jHwWG5Sf36GNtgZxj X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am very familar with vacuum tubes. The Rube Goldberg Motorola CQUAM process is difficult to implement with analog circuitry, let alone tube analog circuitry. The only thing that made it practical was a dedicated IC which Motorola designed and manufactured. The problem would be like Chireax modulation. The concept was, IMHO, one of the greatest ideas ever. The problem was it was invented in 1937 before the technology was available to implement it in a reliable design. It was possible to implement it with tubes, but wasn't really practical as RCA found out. If high speed digital circuitry had been around, RCA could have owned the AM broadcast transmitter market. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 09 20:56:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91820 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2011 03:56:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2011 03:56:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2011 03:56:25 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2011 03:56:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2011 03:56:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2011 03:56:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 03:56:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <113c27.447dbaba.3ad15972@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=rvlimeIvCT-S-9qmjaba-6nuDdm3WGhl1zBJdMjEgnqQhRvWAtV67nE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mike wrote: If high speed digital circuitry had been around, RCA could have owned=20 > the AM broadcast transmitter market. >=20 > Mike Mike, isn't there some sort of test going on in Alaska right now with a new= AM transmitter that doesn't burn-up modulation power when there isn't any = modulation, thereby cutting an AM power bill by as much as 50%, or somethin= g like that? So when there is a pause, no modulation power is wasted with a= look-ahead or something?=20 73, John From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 10 00:52:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35083 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2011 07:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2011 07:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2011 07:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2011 07:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2011 07:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2011 07:52:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:52:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.25.46.213 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=7_8dOgNRduf7bpQpVuFuzD3m3ek25NAdmTNATCaS_rRBAt8p3r74CYEgsjU5f6BCAYTPCK9I X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I agree with Juan in use AM STEREO in the erly 60's. Thay should h= ave let STEREO on both bands and let the listeners make up there minds. I= guess i know what thay are saying Juan. It would take many tube maybe over= 20 tubes to do just the decodeing Mototla Kahn and Harris. I hard that Kah= n was trassmitting KHAN ISB dering erly to mid 60's just over the Mexecan b= oader. AM 690? Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > > >=20 > > That was tried in the early 60s, but the FCC put the kabosh on AM stere= o=20 > > back then so FM stereo could give that band time to catch up. Only a=20 > > system similar to Magnavox or Belar (AM/PM; AM/FM) could be done with=20 > > just a few tubes. The current Motorola, Kahn, and Harris systems would= =20 > > be nearly impossible with vacuum tube technology. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > > >=20 > Hi Scott!!! >=20 > It was a pity the FCC decision at that time. I wonder how the AM radio wo= uld be today if the FCC had allowed the AM Stereo in the 60's. >=20 > But, I can't understand why you say "Motorola, Kahn and Harris systems wo= uld be nearly impossible with vaccum tube technology" ??? >=20 > Up to my very limited knowledge, the vacuum tube technology has only two = limitations (disadvantages) in comparison with the solid state world: (1) T= ubes become exhausted with the years, and (2) Tubes "eat" more electric pow= er to produce the same the transistors give. But, I can't see any reason to= "not-get" the necessary phase modulation tricks needed to C-Quam, Kahn and= /or Harris systems. >=20 > In facts, I had and old Heathkit vacuum tube transceptor which "built" al= l the SSB modulation process with tubes (BTW, all that glorius device used = vacuum tube technology only). Believe it or not the unwanted sideband and t= he carrier supression was around 45 dB or better. >=20 > Everybody knows we need a lot of filtering and/or phase modulation tricks= to get SSB and... there is just a little step from SSB to ISB AM Stereo. I= f that old device could do it... Why not today with better filters, tubes, = etc.? ??? >=20 > In the other hand, C-Quam, isn't more complex than ISB or SSB, so... Why = not with tubes? >=20 > OK, I know the tubes technology is something from the pre-historic age, y= es, but with all the today economical crisis and the high level price of so= me solid state devices (specially those related with radio world), then... = maybe... to see into the past could be an option. >=20 > Just crazy ideas from a mad man. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > From awhichello@ieee.org Sun Apr 10 01:36:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: whichello@velocitynet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29689 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2011 08:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2011 08:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO m0.velocity.net.au) (203.17.154.25) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2011 08:35:54 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.3] (152.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au [122.49.202.152]) by m0.velocity.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD28460041 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:35:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4DA16BE9.5010808@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:35:53 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.17.154.25 X-eGroups-From: apw From: apw Reply-To: awhichello@ieee.org Subject: Re: AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=T134kCCwDsKoEXLi-PRfwYgd2eDNxJhzipUJdvgWmY29Tw X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 > Mike, isn't there some sort of test going on in Alaska right now with a new AM transmitter that doesn't burn-up modulation power when there isn't any modulation, thereby cutting an AM power bill by as much as 50%, or something like that? So when there is a pause, no modulation power is wasted with a look-ahead or something? > 73, > John Amplitude Modulation Companding has been played with for quite a while to try and cut down on the power transmitted during periods of quiet audio, but few seem to get past the experimental stage. eg the BBC reported on it in 1988 and 1994, see http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/lg/publications/rdreport_1994_01.shtml Adrian. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Apr 10 03:57:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11849 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2011 10:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2011 10:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2011 10:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2011 10:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2011 10:57:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:57:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.78.104 From: "pdmtr" Subject: An AM STEREO receiver for sale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=LIUExswchkK3AILbqZ3QEtLBwzUU-8RsTmWs2lgB_KA X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 There is an AM STEREO receiver available at Ebay right now, that is a model= I didn;t knew since now. It's a Sansui S-X1130 AM Stereo/FM stereo A/V Rec= iever and from the photo looks to be in excellent condition for a 100 $ ite= m! I would love to have it at my collection of AM Stereo receivers, but sin= ce the seller set it to sold it only to US can't bid at it. So if anyone wa= nts to have an AM stereo rare unit here it is!=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D170624510982 From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Apr 11 07:13:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toddroberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4109 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2011 14:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2011 14:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2011 14:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2011 14:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2011 14:13:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:13:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.188.116.132 From: "roberts50000" Subject: Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=N-dD9by78Kh_9rSJOmISUlQ6WvIV5Ca4iUtaBYs9C8qmMxZH_kUv X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi all, I have recently joined your fine group and enjoying reading all the fine in= fo on AMS. I have recently become interested in AM Stereo again and picked up a Delco = UX-1 and have it set up in the home for DXing the AM Band. So far I have not been able to hear any AM Stereo stations in my area in SC= near Savannah, GA. I have read in some lists that WLS-890 is still broadca= sting in AM Stereo at night. Their signal comes in well sometimes here at n= ight and I did pick them up over the weekend. The AM Stereo indicator lit u= p but there was no change in their audio that I could hear. Does anyone kno= w if they are just sending an AM Stereo pilot tone and nothing else? I thou= ght I might be able to at least hear some ambience on their audio but no ch= ange. Perhaps their signal was not strong enough to trigger a full stereo d= ecode? They do tend to fade in and out here at night. Thanks for any tips or suggestions! 73 Todd WD4NGG From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Apr 11 10:11:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57508 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2011 17:03:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2011 17:03:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2011 17:03:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3BH3jwc011466 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:03:46 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.f00.14dc77f9 (45077) for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:03:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m17.mail.aol.com (magic-m17.mail.aol.com [172.21.147.70]) by cia-mc03.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC031-b0154da3346d376; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:03:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37c0e.62227d5.3ad48e6d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:03:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=q8eLk2AUdiBnQtCdquIuwR5-43mULVJUEe2kLxQkvu-c9A2QGETy7EV_G2J22142 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as I know, WLS is broadcasting in AM Stereo at night. Like you, the stereo indicator on my Buick's Delco radio lights up. As a talk station, what I do not know is weither or not the program material is true stereo. Our local talker is FM and their program material is not. I do not know what has happened the Big 89's signal over the years. Back in the 80s, WLS's skywave signal here would rival the signal strength of a local station. Now it is hardly audible. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Apr 11 13:31:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3498 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2011 20:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2011 20:31:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2011 20:31:01 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3BKV0Ko000660 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:31:00 -0400 X-Received: from core-mge003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 30543E000089 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <436b0.38536326.3ad4bf03@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:31:00 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462489568:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4da365042871 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=7y8iwVIpiM8tAA3cKwbaokKounE1K7Nn4MF59zavmsp7T33qaeeu X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 4/11/2011 1:11:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mjgrant@aol.com writes: As far as I know, WLS is broadcasting in AM Stereo at night. Like you, the stereo indicator on my Buick's Delco radio lights up. As a talk station, what I do not know is weither or not the program material is true stereo. Our local talker is FM and their program material is not. I do not know what has happened the Big 89's signal over the years. Back in the 80s, WLS's skywave signal here would rival the signal strength of a local station. Now it is hardly audible. Mike Thanks Mike. It sounds like you are seeing/hearing pretty much the same thing from WLS-890 at night. Running full stereo may not make much of a difference with a news/talk format. Unless they were running some tricky commercials there is not much reason to run full stereo. I notice some AM stations in my area are going back to a music format. That would be a good opportunity to go back to AM Stereo and would be good advertising for them. I think many folks are fine with listening to AM if the station has a nice format and good music. AM Stereo would be even nicer! 73 - Todd WD4NGG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 07:49:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68874 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2011 14:49:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2011 14:49:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2011 14:49:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2011 14:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2011 14:49:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:49:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <436b0.38536326.3ad4bf03@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo ? WNMB, KCJJ, Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=1bjRFDA9y6yDWfa7QC7pmoh-WPHsWYchU4srLDwRK8g33OZlhvxKP7I X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio You need to get over to North Myrtle Beach; then you'll hear some great AM = stereo, as well as up into Canada. I don't think the UX-1 covers 1630AM, as= KCJJ booms in many nights in stereo with just 1KW ! From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 09:13:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2272 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2011 16:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2011 16:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.168) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2011 16:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP53 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:13:38 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.46.64]) by BLU0-SMTP53.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:13:34 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:13:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2011 16:13:34.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[9297A4C0:01CBF92C] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.168 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Delta ASE-2 for FM Stereo Gen and mod monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=9yF661tDIFCZnCldbXA6pwUW3DszM1zjpssu2Jf77bbC X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi, looking to swap my delta ase2 am stereo generator for a fm stereo mod monitor and a stereo generator. SG can be a simple broadcast warehouse unit with balanced inputs or a optimod 8000, mod monitors can be old belar units they dont even have to look that great just work. i'm also looking for a lpb carrier current coupler to use with my cunningham cm30-50 / be ax10 setup. i have an old lpb 2000 cable modulator im looking to convert to balanced line inputs by using an external stereo generator and would like to find a mod monitor as well. this thing apparently puts 10mW into 75 ohms which is good enough for around the house here and when i split that 10mW between an off air mod monitor and a leaky coax antenna or a small dipole in basement here staying within part 15.239 limits should not be a problem. looking to use this as a quality in house monitoring system for my part 15 / internet station setup. im only 5 miles from fcc in lakewood so i have to be straight as can be with radiation limits compliance. if anyone is looking to convert from am to am stereo heres your chance. i have my two BE ax-10's (which i love) that were given to me by a nice fellow on this list few years ago so the delta is surplus to my needs and i would like to leverage it's value to something i can use. email me offlist with what you have. thank you, robert From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Apr 12 09:28:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68046 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2011 16:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2011 16:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.212.47) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2011 16:28:48 -0000 X-Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2so5950581vws.6 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:28:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.175.131 with SMTP id ca3mr7869128vdc.2.1302625728126; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from hs50eb30caac69 (67-1-25-68.tcso.qwest.net [67.1.25.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20sm4157978vbz.20.2011.04.12.09.28.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4804832C67004E96A35D5505E323B8E4@hs50eb30caac69> To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:28:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.47 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delta ASE-2 for FM Stereo Gen and mod monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=AFOoek6TPEbb2fC77A6zaAT0bVaJCPce5vkTbnHGKGBZMHD54dgC X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how much you asking fore am stserio excider? I have a sstran can I use the am sterio exciter with this part15 transmitter? Hank email: hanksmith5@gmail.com skype: hanksmith5 check out my youtube video of a song I recorded in nashville tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert P. Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:13 AM Subject: {AMSF} Delta ASE-2 for FM Stereo Gen and mod monitor Hi, looking to swap my delta ase2 am stereo generator for a fm stereo mod monitor and a stereo generator. SG can be a simple broadcast warehouse unit with balanced inputs or a optimod 8000, mod monitors can be old belar units they dont even have to look that great just work. i'm also looking for a lpb carrier current coupler to use with my cunningham cm30-50 / be ax10 setup. i have an old lpb 2000 cable modulator im looking to convert to balanced line inputs by using an external stereo generator and would like to find a mod monitor as well. this thing apparently puts 10mW into 75 ohms which is good enough for around the house here and when i split that 10mW between an off air mod monitor and a leaky coax antenna or a small dipole in basement here staying within part 15.239 limits should not be a problem. looking to use this as a quality in house monitoring system for my part 15 / internet station setup. im only 5 miles from fcc in lakewood so i have to be straight as can be with radiation limits compliance. if anyone is looking to convert from am to am stereo heres your chance. i have my two BE ax-10's (which i love) that were given to me by a nice fellow on this list few years ago so the delta is surplus to my needs and i would like to leverage it's value to something i can use. email me offlist with what you have. thank you, robert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 09:33:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2407 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2011 16:33:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2011 16:33:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2011 16:33:27 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP13 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:33:27 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.46.64]) by BLU0-SMTP13.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:33:25 -0700 To: References: <4804832C67004E96A35D5505E323B8E4@hs50eb30caac69> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:33:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2011 16:33:26.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[58E0AE90:01CBF92F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.158 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delta ASE-2 for FM Stereo Gen and mod monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=y3PXbuD7iqS6zXR4i_k7lgnfgMY2NrAWGVS6A01X6t6R X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd cash i was asking $400.00 usd, plus, applicable paypal fees (if paying by paypal), and shipping. this is the ase2 not 1 and has ttl and high drive options and the manual. pics available. acceptable payment is, usps money order, cashiers check drawn on us bank (must clear), and paypal From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 09:37:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64624 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2011 16:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2011 16:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.149) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2011 16:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP23 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:37:16 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.46.64]) by BLU0-SMTP23.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:37:15 -0700 To: References: <4804832C67004E96A35D5505E323B8E4@hs50eb30caac69> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:36:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2011 16:37:15.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1843C30:01CBF92F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.149 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delta ASE-2 for FM Stereo Gen and mod monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=TJPB2GaIbdQpnorOC8Aq_DqQShfHi5mVM0oiq7vNTCNI X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd just a note: this is the same cash value i have been asking for a while now and won't go lower on this peice as i know these are worth my asking price. From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Apr 12 10:02:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28309 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2011 17:02:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2011 17:02:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2011 17:02:12 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3CH26En013177 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:02:06 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.fa7.ed78f4b (43971) for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:02:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d18.mail.aol.com (magic-d18.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.134]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD034-abc34da4858922; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:02:01 -0400 Message-ID: <13a52.1e5b442d.3ad5df89@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:02:01 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo ? WNMB, KCJJ, Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sQYRcMW5uQMxPQDHdJ4SEpKqSUqcfRKamvKyOj1L7RQSJQpFWjPTUuNDTtY09ZyA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently found out that WABC has a Top 40 oldies show on Saturday night. Does anyone know if, like their sister station WLS, they run AM Stereo at night? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 17:12:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33455 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2011 00:12:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2011 00:12:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.172) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2011 00:12:40 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP79 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:12:40 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.46.64]) by BLU0-SMTP79.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:12:38 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:12:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2011 00:12:38.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F620F10:01CBF96F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: re: delta ase2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=EjpdCfCOQdVV1mjEuhqTkkfpyLKC90oCRulEm1N7lhcJ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd ok just for $**ts and giggles i will mull over any counter offers. again for sale: delta ase2 excellent condition w/ hi drive and ttl options and manual. i just curious to see what kind of offers i get. email me directly / offlist. not on list. thanks robert From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Apr 13 03:52:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96344 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2011 10:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2011 10:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2011 10:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2011 10:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2011 10:51:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:51:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <13a52.1e5b442d.3ad5df89@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.253.13.68 From: "starship20012001" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo ? WNMB, KCJJ, Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=ChddA-G8-vOm7DfWByp44lR59HcRQ8CDz-DWSNcibiriFIGF1tpzt7F6zQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 No. Last i knew they were running IBOC . And one more caveat about that _ol= dies_ show. A few years back when i listened it was about 5 minutes of cont= ent with 30 minutes of programming.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I recently found out that WABC has a Top 40 oldies show on Saturday night= .=20=20 > Does anyone know if, like their sister station WLS, they run AM Stereo a= t=20 > night? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Apr 13 18:32:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74136 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2011 01:32:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2011 01:32:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2011 01:32:31 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3E1WO5o016348 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:32:24 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.13]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 128B4E000081 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2d9b9.211c0660.3ad7a8a7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:32:24 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435692256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4da64ea8632c X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: AM Stereo WLS, KCJJ Heard Tonite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=fE-yXh5TFI0vsyKb654UclHZ9Av6Q7X5t0ZumPG9fUOS3nPzQsVk X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I was finally able to hear 2 AM Stereo stations tonite here on Hilton Head Island, SC near Savannah, GA on the Delco UX-1 set up in the home. WLS - 890 was coming in strong and clear enough to light up the Stereo indicator and I could hear some ambience and separation in the programming and commercials so apparently WLS is doing more than just leaving the stereo pilot turned on with mono audio. Tuning up to 1630 KCJJ, stereo music was heard with good separation on several strong fade ups. There seems to be a point in signal strength when the stereo separation increases quite a bit, then blends on a weaker signal. I am too far away to hear WNMB AM Stereo 900 from North Myrtle Beach, SC daytime as well as there is a local strong sports/talk station in Savannah, GA on 900 KHz only about 10 miles away from me, so that probably rules out hearing WNMB. Hearing the 2 night time AM Stereo stations is a good start for me and was a good test for the Delco UX-1. This particular UX-1 comes from a 1995 Chevy S10 pickup and has the expanded band up to 1710 KHz. 73 Todd WD4NGG From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Apr 13 23:55:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84457 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2011 06:55:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2011 06:55:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2011 06:55:42 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3E6teVm010927 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 02:55:40 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c0b.88d54b46 (45278) for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 02:55:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m16.mail.aol.com (magic-m16.mail.aol.com [172.21.188.208]) by cia-mc03.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC038-b0de4da69a683a8; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 02:55:36 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 02:55:36 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo WLS, KCJJ Heard Tonite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=PBDh9yybtRyR_sdsiu5Hvru7bxFPjlpis2cRx9lPxzTzjY7l5f7bc23wKNoYx0ix X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/13/2011 8:32:35 PM Central Daylight Time, toddroberts2001@aol.com writes: > Tuning up to 1630 KCJJ, stereo music was heard with good separation > on several strong fade ups. KCJJ has excellent audio quality. Here is the mystery about the little station that could. They run 1kW non-directional at night. How do they get the coverage they do? I wish WLS would take the lead of its sister station WABC in New York and have some music programming on the weekends. Even the Voice of Medicare, KMOX in St. Louis, has Oldies on the weekend. Ron Elz, aka Johnny Rabbitt, was spinning vinyl a half century ago on KXOK. He is so old now that when he breaks wind, dust comes out. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Apr 14 14:47:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11329 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2011 21:47:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2011 21:47:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2011 21:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110414164648100954900010> for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:46:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DA76B45.1080908@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:46:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:46:48 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <37c0e.62227d5.3ad48e6d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <37c0e.62227d5.3ad48e6d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110414-2, 04/14/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-gy_qqcBBWZkeQQWhBo-ckLkYpQno1cUMyebd2Oof5V7UAzNKRgX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/11/2011 12:11 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > As far as I know, WLS is broadcasting in AM Stereo at night. Like you, the > stereo indicator on my Buick's Delco radio lights up. As a talk station, > what I do not know is weither or not the program material is true stereo. > Our local talker is FM and their program material is not. > > I do not know what has happened the Big 89's signal over the years. Back > in the 80s, WLS's skywave signal here would rival the signal strength of a > local station. Now it is hardly audible. Anything they air from the major talk networks will be mono. The only thing in stereo would be local commercials and sounders for things like local newscasts and traffic reports. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Apr 14 14:54:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64186 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2011 21:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2011 21:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2011 21:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110414165413102144700010> for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:54:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DA76D02.3090001@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:54:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:54:13 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <13a52.1e5b442d.3ad5df89@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <13a52.1e5b442d.3ad5df89@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110414-2, 04/14/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo ? WNMB, KCJJ, Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=zhdpZ24nP0pzNStx5dOHfnPK3Ol6FjsPBQgBbBUJDe7nZC_K56Nf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/12/2011 12:02 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I recently found out that WABC has a Top 40 oldies show on Saturday night. > Does anyone know if, like their sister station WLS, they run AM Stereo at > night? > > Mike Never has, IIRC, except possibly back during the FCC's experimental testing period back in the 70s. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Apr 14 15:10:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68847 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2011 22:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2011 22:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2011 22:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110414170948101150000010> for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:09:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DA770AA.4020804@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:09:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:09:48 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110414-2, 04/14/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo WLS, KCJJ Heard Tonite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=2pYV5DUMk5-jT2CzQeT3oqjceh6mc402V8NGKSp1BRFZcigC5lF9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/14/2011 1:55 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/13/2011 8:32:35 PM Central Daylight Time, > toddroberts2001@aol.com writes: > > KCJJ has excellent audio quality. Here is the mystery about the little > station that could. They run 1kW non-directional at night. How do they get > the coverage they do? > Comparatively few signals on that frequency. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 15:39:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21905 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2011 22:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2011 22:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2011 22:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2011 22:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2011 22:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2011 22:39:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:39:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4DA76B45.1080908@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.52.234 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=St1WN6a7otYr59K2NRpn7bEbp6gc7ErboMZ3Yepz6S-Q5Qf7ig X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Why in mono? ??? If they can transmit in stereo, Why not to give all in ste= reo (even the news background music)? ??? Is there some legal restriction about? ??? Here we, unfortunately, have a lot of FM Stereo stations with hours of news= , sports, talk, religion, political, etc. formats, but all of them give the= ir full stereo capabilities all the time. I bet if we had AM Stereo here, i= t would be the same. People likes to hear stereo music and effects, even if it is just the backg= round bed. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 4/11/2011 12:11 PM, mjgrant@... wrote: > > As far as I know, WLS is broadcasting in AM Stereo at night. Like you, = the > > stereo indicator on my Buick's Delco radio lights up. As a talk station= , > > what I do not know is weither or not the program material is true stere= o. > > Our local talker is FM and their program material is not. > > > > I do not know what has happened the Big 89's signal over the years. Bac= k > > in the 80s, WLS's skywave signal here would rival the signal strength o= f a > > local station. Now it is hardly audible. >=20 > Anything they air from the major talk networks will be mono. The only=20 > thing in stereo would be local commercials and sounders for things like=20 > local newscasts and traffic reports. >=20 > Scott Todd > From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 14 18:02:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3538 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 01:02:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 01:02:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 01:02:19 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3F12A4p001215 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:02:10 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.fe9.7d1d492 (45076) for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:02:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-mc02.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC028-b0144da79911356; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:02:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3ddd.2edd53ac.3ad8f311@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:02:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo WLS, KCJJ Heard Tonite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=LaFfR1EqRD2nMSPd5izeOAXUXUlHFbxeodX05cw-XofO43XmvN9HEDKK6RtjiGlS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/14/2011 5:10:14 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Comparatively few signals on that frequency. > That should be true for the other stations on 1630. I know about skywave propagation, but strangely the are nearer and farther co-channel stations where KCJJ comes booming in. KCJJ can be heard in Scotland. Here in Southern Arkansas, they have a signal comparable to WHO that has 50kW, a tall modified Franklin antenna, and near continental clear channel frequency protection. The Big 89 WLS is now a feeble beep. No loss. I can get the exact same programming a dozen other places on the dial, near and far. How did Musicradio WABC 77 out of NYC, the pre-eminant Top 40 flagship station, avoid going AM Stereo in the 80s? Geez, even ultraconservative long time talker KMOX went AM Stereo. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 14 18:25:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81307 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 01:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 01:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 01:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3F1PGxE013325 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:25:16 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.ed7.1300ad1e (45275) for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:25:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-mc03.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC035-b0db4da79e742da; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:25:08 -0400 Message-ID: <4bc8.24e404ee.3ad8f874@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:25:08 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=n0TJofRarFWJRSIsp0XiDBAeXq53_fQYI3zQSrmKZr2ytpFKisatIFXVK-BaZ1aA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you feed the same material into the Left and Right channels on AM Stereo, it generates a signal identical to a conventional mono AM signal with the same modulation capability. The 25hz pilot, which is 26dB down, is in the phase domain and not even in the L+R amplitude domain. So I have to ask, why not? Many, many, years ago when FM Stereo was not universal, my alma mater's student educational FMer would kill the stereo generator during wire service news and mono program material because poor phase matching in the audio chain would cause annoying center dropout and phantom stereo imaging. As they say, that was then, this is now. Modern equipment does have those problems. Turn that AM Stereo back on! Mike Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 21:48:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44670 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 04:47:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 04:47:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 04:47:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 04:47:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 04:47:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 04:47:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4bc8.24e404ee.3ad8f874@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.52.234 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=H36KlpFfZklDQCjnumW1oaeHTD-Z3eRa-6J0DkmmiR33wyFIZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! According to your words, and all the stories I've read in this forum, it se= ems to me like there has been some "suspicious" and "silent" people, workin= g from inside, against the AM Stereo for years. 1) There isn't a technical reason: C-Quam AM Stereo isn't the best system b= ut it works. 2) There isn't a financial reason: a typical AM station "eats" the same wit= h or without stereo in the air. 3) There isn't any legal restriction against the use of stereo sound in AM = bands. So... Why most of the AM stations, in the world, are still in mono? ??? Isn't it "suspicious"? ??? I'm tented to think the broadcasters, themselves, aren't interested to tran= smit in AM stereo because... They are FM Stereo stations owners too? ??? If I'm right, and if it is the way the broadcasters think, then... we are l= ost, absolutely lost, no hope, no future to any kind of radio system!!! I s= ay this because if the digital systems don't give a real and fast profit to= the station owners, then they will turn off the transmitter and will chang= e to another kind of commercial activity. No more radios, no more music, no= more air signals. Just cable TV, MP3s, Blue-Rays, Internet. This is the wo= rld we're wanting to have? ??? Who will save us? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > If you feed the same material into the Left and Right channels on AM=20 > Stereo, it generates a signal identical to a conventional mono AM signal = with the=20 > same modulation capability. The 25hz pilot, which is 26dB down, is in th= e=20 > phase domain and not even in the L+R amplitude domain. So I have to ask,= why=20 > not? >=20 > Many, many, years ago when FM Stereo was not universal, my alma mater's=20 > student educational FMer would kill the stereo generator during wire ser= vice=20 > news and mono program material because poor phase matching in the audio c= hain=20 > would cause annoying center dropout and phantom stereo imaging. >=20 > As they say, that was then, this is now. Modern equipment does have thos= e=20 > problems. Turn that AM Stereo back on! >=20 > Mike >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 14 22:48:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52434 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 05:47:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 05:47:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 05:47:55 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3F5lte4032095 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 01:47:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.f3e.10ce58d0 (45074) for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 01:47:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d23.mail.aol.com (magic-d23.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.157]) by cia-mc02.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC026-b0124da7dc081ed; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 01:47:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3226b.14b72157.3ad93608@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 01:47:52 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=XMHfWD6jbkP2TFjCWtH9vGuPc-ZexpPm4ZDmOpMS5N3aaBIm21bR1tupiJCHbp4r X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/14/2011 11:48:08 PM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > Who will save us? ??? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > You answered you own question. With that aside, I could see the case for not converting to AM Stereo now. I don't agree, but I appreciate the argument. What baffles me is why a station that has made the investment wouldn't utilize it. I believe it is more a matter of complacency than conspiracy. There has always been those who are totally disinterested in the audio quaility of their station. However, at the same time, there have been a few that took great pride. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 04:57:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19941 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 11:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 11:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 11:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 11:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 11:57:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:57:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.20.29 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=-GLW14OeJ4nF_l68izDUOfIdFb-Ym01Wl3aHdFS8UZ1D0fLB1mfpsBZbrWqCLrK-4uS1T3Kp X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Jaun There is another resson for a lot of stations not going AM STEREO. = There is not a lot of radios being mass made for the US and other makets an= d on store selfs. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi!!! >=20 > According to your words, and all the stories I've read in this forum, it = seems to me like there has been some "suspicious" and "silent" people, work= ing from inside, against the AM Stereo for years. >=20 > 1) There isn't a technical reason: C-Quam AM Stereo isn't the best system= but it works. >=20 > 2) There isn't a financial reason: a typical AM station "eats" the same w= ith or without stereo in the air. >=20 > 3) There isn't any legal restriction against the use of stereo sound in A= M bands. >=20 > So... Why most of the AM stations, in the world, are still in mono? ??? >=20 > Isn't it "suspicious"? ??? >=20 > I'm tented to think the broadcasters, themselves, aren't interested to tr= ansmit in AM stereo because... They are FM Stereo stations owners too? ??? >=20 > If I'm right, and if it is the way the broadcasters think, then... we are= lost, absolutely lost, no hope, no future to any kind of radio system!!! I= say this because if the digital systems don't give a real and fast profit = to the station owners, then they will turn off the transmitter and will cha= nge to another kind of commercial activity. No more radios, no more music, = no more air signals. Just cable TV, MP3s, Blue-Rays, Internet. This is the = world we're wanting to have? ??? >=20 > Who will save us? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > If you feed the same material into the Left and Right channels on AM=20 > > Stereo, it generates a signal identical to a conventional mono AM signa= l with the=20 > > same modulation capability. The 25hz pilot, which is 26dB down, is in = the=20 > > phase domain and not even in the L+R amplitude domain. So I have to as= k, why=20 > > not? > >=20 > > Many, many, years ago when FM Stereo was not universal, my alma mater's= =20 > > student educational FMer would kill the stereo generator during wire s= ervice=20 > > news and mono program material because poor phase matching in the audio= chain=20 > > would cause annoying center dropout and phantom stereo imaging. > >=20 > > As they say, that was then, this is now. Modern equipment does have th= ose=20 > > problems. Turn that AM Stereo back on! > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 06:19:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48574 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 13:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 13:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 13:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 13:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 13:19:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:19:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3ddd.2edd53ac.3ad8f311@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=kS8AaUKJybBzwd27wU8OptN422QjSneQUQNratHziEi1yHNvJ6oF1vg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio KMOX had some decent stereo AM music programming late at night on weekends.= =20=20 Also, WLS was still "Musicradio 890, AM Stereo WLS-AM" and did indeed have = AM stereo music for a short period of time before they dropped it for talk;= their local commercial spots are still stereo. I really really wish our engineerin friend in Nashville would fire-up the C= -Quam exciter on WSM again - I have recordings of WSM from 1998, and boy di= d the Gr.OleOpry sound sweet in stereo AM on Saturday nights! I believe we = 'lost' the stereo when he got a new 50KW transmitter (so only the backup ha= s it?) and maybe got a not audio processor without the stereo option availa= ble. In Chicago, we lost AM stereo when the 720 transmitter had only two option = slots, and they chose a redundant backup card rather than CQuam for the 2nd= slot :( WJR turned off the AM stereo for IBOC, then turned-off the IBOC. Their youn= g engineer is 'scared' to turn the CQuam exciter back on as he has no exper= ience with it - I told Kevin just to try it before the capacitors all go so= uth from lack of use!=20 Does anybody know if adding the 'people meter' signal causes a problem with= CQuam? How does the PPM signal actually work anyhow? Regards, John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Apr 15 06:24:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51075 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 13:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 13:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s17.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 13:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP123 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:24:38 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.46.64]) by BLU0-SMTP123.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:24:37 -0700 To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:24:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2011 13:24:37.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[77C306D0:01CBFB70] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.156 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Czdd8ayMFNiqzOJZIpC8S5ZECmZ2e4ljNKGPFGIWGx0F X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd wsm probably has the best transmission facility in the us. they are the best sounding am station i ever heard. they don't run cquam because their running that i crap garbage what a waste of a beautiful am array. firing up a useless overpriced noise generator. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 06:44:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8612 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 13:44:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 13:44:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 13:44:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 13:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 13:44:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:44:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.20.29 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Ion7Ke6EN3pib_nJuCkTJHnLLNicZfO9uHHhCvONHjRakul2U1omytoj4SWXSOmUDUfCScj4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Robert I had just went to the HD RADIO station list in Tennisee and WSM = AM 650 is not on the HD RADIO list. I had e mailed the engineer there a fu= e years ago and he said that it was not werth runing C-QuAM because of lack= of NEW AMS radios. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wr= ote: > > wsm probably has the best transmission facility in the us. they are the b= est=20 > sounding am station i ever heard. they don't run cquam because their runn= ing=20 > that i crap garbage what a waste of a beautiful am array. firing up a=20 > useless overpriced noise generator. > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Apr 15 06:49:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60331 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 13:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 13:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s2.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.141) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 13:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP178 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s2.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:49:57 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.46.64]) by BLU0-SMTP178.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:49:56 -0700 To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:49:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2011 13:49:56.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[0105B340:01CBFB74] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=iMRBFI9hcem6N0X6daffe431nqfwCub4P8mQxyQU0EbL X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd hmm i had been told by several people it was. when you get a chance ask them if theyre running iboc. i don't know why its not worth running cquam. on or off the generator does not add too much to the station budget. thats what i call penny pinching to the extreme From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 06:51:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41496 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 13:51:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 13:51:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 13:51:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 13:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 13:51:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:51:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.20.29 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Qfrxak7H767-c_KVyM9EfecV0CNNO3JYch5AVXRLQFVJg9uC8yWxR-0svAvNxDHGV4pYYbwu X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Again I forgot to say two things . The engineer at WSM AM 650 also said = he would never go iCRAP because of to much noise on the band. And they do h= ad a very good sounding stereo streem on there site. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Robert I had just went to the HD RADIO station list in Tennisee and WS= M AM 650 is not on the HD RADIO list. I had e mailed the engineer there a = fue years ago and he said that it was not werth runing C-QuAM because of la= ck of NEW AMS radios. Jim S > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wro= te: > > > > wsm probably has the best transmission facility in the us. they are the= best=20 > > sounding am station i ever heard. they don't run cquam because their ru= nning=20 > > that i crap garbage what a waste of a beautiful am array. firing up a=20 > > useless overpriced noise generator. > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 06:59:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82989 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 13:59:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 13:59:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 13:59:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 13:59:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 13:59:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:59:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.20.29 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=_IX_oZD_ITvjLnopyOOIygEKO4TqUO0wWlP-FpQVdbf25F59FRXJB7Do0zabXDOdbu_k1nDs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Robert There not on the HD RADIO list site. And the resson for no C-Qu= AM is the same for a lot of stations. NO NEW AM STEREO RADIOS. You can go = to there site and contact them there. GOOGLE it. I tride many times but no = use. Maybe more the better. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wr= ote: > > hmm i had been told by several people it was. when you get a chance ask t= hem=20 > if theyre running iboc. >=20 > i don't know why its not worth running cquam. on or off the generator doe= s=20 > not add too much to the station budget. thats what i call penny pinching = to=20 > the extreme > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 07:18:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3613 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 14:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 14:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 14:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 14:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 14:18:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:18:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.20.29 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=zoneN2v3ltR4IA6Ev9XFJYuVPZsKxVXMEetJyUi7ywDB2DHOp66kNVcOHbRRf793FyorABuu X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Robert I had found the CE contact for WSM AM 650. Jason Cooper (615}37= 3-5225 and jcooper@wsmonline.com. I hope this helps Robert. Jim s --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Robert There not on the HD RADIO list site. And the resson for no C-= QuAM is the same for a lot of stations. NO NEW AM STEREO RADIOS. You can g= o to there site and contact them there. GOOGLE it. I tride many times but n= o use. Maybe more the better. Jim S > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wro= te: > > > > hmm i had been told by several people it was. when you get a chance ask= them=20 > > if theyre running iboc. > >=20 > > i don't know why its not worth running cquam. on or off the generator d= oes=20 > > not add too much to the station budget. thats what i call penny pinchin= g to=20 > > the extreme > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 07:22:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81853 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 14:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 14:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 14:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 14:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 14:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 14:22:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:22:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.20.29 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=GV0Rqbi6lqoS-4h16IvB4eekTmVhhyo_wiGvhV_KBd0y3cIV6hxl3rzn54wh_lz0PWqljU4n X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi I'll try again . Jason Cooper jcooperATwsmonline.com Jim s --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Robert I had found the CE contact for WSM AM 650. Jason Cooper (615}= 373-5225 and jcooper@... I hope this helps Robert. Jim s > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > >=20 > > Hi Robert There not on the HD RADIO list site. And the resson for no = C-QuAM is the same for a lot of stations. NO NEW AM STEREO RADIOS. You can= go to there site and contact them there. GOOGLE it. I tride many times but= no use. Maybe more the better. Jim S > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" w= rote: > > > > > > hmm i had been told by several people it was. when you get a chance a= sk them=20 > > > if theyre running iboc. > > >=20 > > > i don't know why its not worth running cquam. on or off the generator= does=20 > > > not add too much to the station budget. thats what i call penny pinch= ing to=20 > > > the extreme > > > > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 08:07:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5304 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 15:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 15:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO kiwi.sharethis.com) (209.216.230.219) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 15:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (174.129.200.76) by kiwi.sharethis.com (PowerMTA(TM) v3.5r15) id hl16h20jp9k7 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:50:09 +0000 (envelope-from ) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4b55af1706f44888335765e8a58a0b79@xpertmailer.com> Return-Path: ShareThis X-sender: notifier@bounces.sharethis.com X-sharethis-recipient: 121443343 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:07:08 +0000 X-Mailer: XPM4 v.0.5 < www.xpertmailer.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.216.230.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Reply-To: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Subject: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net has shared: Contact WSM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=UiK-w_zkGGsjv5jlgL61bZ6jYAbZLmrHUdF2KAFnDApfsiNRpWpArr7BZSiZ7pdzZJNvzsZb X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wanted to share this with you: Hi This for any one on the List . Jim S Contact WSM http://shar.es/HWRSc WSMonline.com is the home for 650AM WSM "The Legend". Playing only the best in Country, Americana, and Bluegrass music. WSM is also the home to the longest running radio show the "Grand Ole Opry". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Powered by ShareThis http://sharethis.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 08:35:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83800 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 15:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 15:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.206) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 15:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 15:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.36] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 15:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 15:35:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 552824.39225.bm@omp1036.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 45028 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2011 15:35:53 -0000 Message-ID: <40392.41662.qm@web112014.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OE1FUTUVM1lFQ5NFPKNG0O3nBszZETSDEk.enjYYel_c.po jS560lvM2PgUmUKzykH0mNi5pepI.y5R5vT46oy5mZyHLkumOnn_kSqWQmFQ sKGqkE4cl2PWbSVGOdwCC55g2j58F2Yen1NXGf8hyqupDrPWMpAXt_pqQmHz PR9N1Vg19lVsa0UE3z_WCEeTYlYC5NaJx81n76vMKDQ0rtZcO.wYVgIDfjnH qilwqArN9AE91lY7o2DiJSRmAOQETXqxbLN8HPIb3cl88QFHsI.LifRe52iX uUXg16IwJd83TuJd.lzZOU5K.LOcaaIKqh5l9vMJCmkQ2wCXGX8PosEKtQLI LYMhpY3Dw1b6wQPV1OLAyoa4B4y0Ju9DGOmxx_rou.e2YcDguKpXooCCXamv JMqdU.vcJzDc- X-Received: from [209.213.19.182] by web112014.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:35:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 References: Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:35:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=X-gdB-E1CSCNSuVjD7o_lbJxk1IcHcK_nlRu9DXn3I4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, they are not. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: Robert P. Chrysafis hmm i had been told by several people it was. when you get a chance ask them if theyre running iboc. i don't know why its not worth running cquam. on or off the generator does not add too much to the station budget. thats what i call penny pinching to the extreme [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 08:52:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8038 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 15:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 15:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.84.174) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 15:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p3FFqpHt013028; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net) Message-ID: <519FD78762D94933A19054F8582BAB82@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:52:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.84.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Fw: Hi Jason X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=GOnwHeOlYauv11i-wDcffVQx6kZeV9jA1E8zu6jQog2c-_5xUYA3BJtxi1GsZobBEJCSUFuf X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had just sent this to Jasson Cooper head CE at WSM AM 650. ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: jcooper@wsmonline.com Cc: jim smith Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:45 AM Subject: Hi Jason Hi Jason I was asked to ask you if you had went HD RADIO on WSM AM 650. I did not see your station on the HD RADIO station list. I was also asked to ask you why WSM AM mono 650 was not in AM STEREO. I kind of know why. All the AM STEREO resorses are not in the stores on store shelfs. Thay are on line like www.amstereo.s5.com or GOOGLE it . There are some new HD RADIOS that also decodes C-QuAM AM STEREO like the Sangean HDT 1X. I hope to hear from you soon. I like the sound of your streem. I live in Northern Caifornia. But I have herd from others on the amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com that your C-QuAM signal sounded great. I do remember hearing some great sounding AM STEREO stations out here neer Sacramento Ca. Because of lack AM STEREO radios in stores I don't hear much music on AM and no AM STEREO. But AM STEREO stuff can be found online . Thank you for your time. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 15 11:12:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20765 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 18:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 18:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 18:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110415131147100989700010> for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:11:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DA88A5F.7080306@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:11:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:11:47 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <3226b.14b72157.3ad93608@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3226b.14b72157.3ad93608@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110415-0, 04/15/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=wEDWYGgz_X5c3s04XO_KR8T3YGKJKoVIahOAgje4w6tU_lQ5twLO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/15/2011 12:48 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > I believe it is more a matter of complacency than conspiracy. There has > always been those who are totally disinterested in the audio quaility of > their > station. However, at the same time, there have been a few that took great > pride. I'd have to agree with you, Mike. To answer Juan's question even further, I wouldn't say it was necessarily a conspiracy, but from my knowledge of Salem it was a corporate philosophy that their FMs would primarily be music (with a couple of notable exceptions) and their AMs would be talk. They didn't see any point in investing in stereo on stations where there wouldn't be much stereo content. Likely Clear Channel had much the same philosophy. When they'd install newer equipment they didn't bother keeping a stereo audio chain when so many of them would be going talk. Even their AM stations which were still music ended up back in mono as they standardized on equipment at their various stations. So if they bought a boatload of Orban 9200 processors and 2/3 of them went to talk stations, that left 1/3 of them for their music stations, and being a mono processor meant no more CQUAM. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 15 11:26:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41675 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 18:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 18:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 18:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110415132549103195400010> for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:25:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DA88DA9.8060607@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:25:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:25:49 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110415-0, 04/15/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=rwnxdhCHZIc0I6_bM92za-uWxT6saV-0X0x3Un1zE9j0VXC6dRvq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/15/2011 8:19 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > Does anybody know if adding the 'people meter' signal causes a problem > with CQuam? How does the PPM signal actually work anyhow? Shouldn't be a problem. The PPM works by encoding station calls, time and date info subaudibly into the audio by a process known as masking. Your ear can't hear a quiet audio signal which is close in frequency to a much louder one so the encoder generates the various bits and creates them at a much lower level and at frequencies close to what's being fed through it. The data is picked up by a device about the size of a pager which records the data then reports it back to Arbitron later. Scott Todd From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 11:44:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12031 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 18:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 18:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 18:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 18:44:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 18:44:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:44:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4DA88A5F.7080306@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.49.53 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=TiYgDrL4AGz9eArk9L1B3rsILFgHHH8rfHbI_7WXtjg3beJ50CJKTa34AeDQ8OWfvpGH2JQq X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Scott And another problem also was and is that theres no new AM STEREO= radios being made by the masses like FM STEREO. If FM got treaded like AM= has FM would be in bad shape to. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 4/15/2011 12:48 AM, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > > > I believe it is more a matter of complacency than conspiracy. There has > > always been those who are totally disinterested in the audio quaility o= f > > their > > station. However, at the same time, there have been a few that took gre= at > > pride. >=20 > I'd have to agree with you, Mike. To answer Juan's question even=20 > further, I wouldn't say it was necessarily a conspiracy, but from my=20 > knowledge of Salem it was a corporate philosophy that their FMs would=20 > primarily be music (with a couple of notable exceptions) and their AMs=20 > would be talk. They didn't see any point in investing in stereo on=20 > stations where there wouldn't be much stereo content. >=20 > Likely Clear Channel had much the same philosophy. When they'd install=20 > newer equipment they didn't bother keeping a stereo audio chain when so=20 > many of them would be going talk. Even their AM stations which were=20 > still music ended up back in mono as they standardized on equipment at=20 > their various stations. So if they bought a boatload of Orban 9200=20 > processors and 2/3 of them went to talk stations, that left 1/3 of them=20 > for their music stations, and being a mono processor meant no more CQUAM. >=20 > Scott Todd > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Apr 15 14:20:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17803 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 21:20:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2011 21:20:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2011 21:20:01 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3FLJw1P010984 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:19:58 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.13]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 03009E00008E for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33360.59473ddb.3ada107d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:19:57 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:405678208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4da8b67e1e65 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=mslK1qnd1Cbfy96wV-F0-PV6QAtFMw4Ji0JAdg-daVkHH2k2IYMM X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 4/15/2011 10:22:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net writes: i don't know why its not worth running cquam. on or off the generator does not add too much to the station budget. thats what i call penny pinching to the extreme Hi All, I think it would be worthwhile to contact some of the AM stations that are running music these days and ask if they would consider running AM stereo for their listeners? I bet some of those stations like WSM AM-650 might still even have their AM Stereo gear sitting in a rack and all they need to do is turn it on again. I don't think they would need to worry if running AM Stereo would reduce their range from what I have read lately. I think it would be good advertising for the station to announce they are in AM stereo and start the ball rolling again. If folks started asking about AM Stereo radios I bet the Chinese or Japanese could come up with an AM Stereo pocket radio in no time and put them on the market. I understand the Japanese are still making at least one portable AM Stereo radio currently. It would probably just take some lead time to get some new radios out on the market. Imagine tuning in to WSM one night and hearing the announcer say - "Welcome to the new WSM, now in AM Stereo". That should stir up interest in AM Stereo again and shouldn't be a very big outlay in cash for them to turn on their C-Quam AM gear again. They are probably already set up for AM Stereo if they were running it a few years ago! 73 - Todd WD4NGG From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Apr 15 18:45:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14225 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2011 01:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2011 01:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2011 01:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3G1joDg014784 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:45:50 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c22.8b9f3c55 (55742) for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:45:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m21.mail.aol.com (magic-m21.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.194]) by cia-md05.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD051-d9be4da8f4cc20; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:45:48 -0400 Message-ID: <122b9b.76727d2b.3ada4ecc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:45:48 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Pks0AUzYp_yDqhWBq3roLPcJ07t4rBLOylMyYraaEdqbrLcMA6DsOPtb3sCI1-LA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/15/2011 8:24:54 AM Central Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > what a waste of a beautiful am array I thought the venerable WSM runs 50kW non-directional fulltime with a Blaw-Knox center guyed "diamond", slightly taller than 1/2 wave. A good solid signal with high quality audio, even when not in stereo. A sad waste of clear channel power is our own once great KAAY out of Lttle Rock. I think they now use two soup cans connected by a string as their STL. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 19:52:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50555 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2011 02:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2011 02:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2011 02:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2011 02:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2011 02:52:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 02:52:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33360.59473ddb.3ada107d@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.49.53 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=bMtV7Tn8ANDNuMJoU867sfnnFxjsD6z6FlEqZsGGrL0HKuTJHpnw54yjeTjWc3JpFeAByAxe X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi I did not say that in that mesage. And thats the resson the CE told me a= bout 5 or 6 years ago is why WSM AM 650 and menny other AM stations are in = MONO. There is not any AM STEREO on the store shelfs be sold and bot by the= masses like FM STEREO and now buy gone TV STEREO. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/15/2011 10:22:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20=20 > jimsmith95650@... writes: >=20 > i don't know why its not worth running cquam. on or off the generator do= es=20 > not add too much to the station budget. thats what i call penny pinching= =20 > to=20 > the extreme >=20=20 >=20=20 > Hi All, I think it would be worthwhile to contact some of the AM stations= =20=20 > that > are running music these days > and ask if they would consider running AM stereo for their=20 > listeners? I bet some of those stations like WSM AM-650 might still > even have their AM Stereo gear sitting in a rack and all they need to do= =20 > is turn it on again. >=20=20 > I don't think they would need to worry if running AM Stereo would reduc= e=20 > their range from what I have read lately. >=20=20 > I think it would be good advertising for the=20 > station to announce they are in AM stereo > and start the ball rolling again. If folks started asking about AM Stereo= =20=20 > radios I bet the=20 > Chinese or Japanese could come up with an AM Stereo pocket radio in no ti= me=20 > and > put them on the market. I understand the Japanese are still making at lea= st=20 > one=20 > portable AM Stereo radio currently. It would probably just take some lead= =20=20 > time to > get some new radios out on the market. >=20=20 > Imagine tuning in to WSM one night=20 > and hearing the announcer say - "Welcome to the new WSM, now=20 > in AM Stereo". That should stir up interest in AM Stereo again > and shouldn't be a very big outlay > in cash for them to turn on their C-Quam AM gear again. They are probably= =20=20 > already set up for > AM Stereo if they were running it a few years ago! >=20=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 11:11:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21919 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2011 17:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2011 17:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2011 17:56:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2011 17:56:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2011 17:56:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:56:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.188 From: "Jota" Subject: Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ZNlGB-VxBBit0AZzLQM9MN8JxROJ2dUVGZGWMJKwZ6iyEbEMvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I know it isn't an AM Stereo issue but... I want to know if there is some experience using two VHF or UHF transmitter= s (FM of course), each of them with different audio, both in the same carri= er, but one connected to a vertical polarized antenna and the other to a ho= rizontal polarized antenna. Can we use that kind of array expecting to get = enough audio separation from both TXs? ??? Thanks a lot for our time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! 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(VPS 110416-1, 04/16/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=NXuOMihKpgdUoLcmjH1UO5X2JuE3DqG0NbZPFxLOmmr2irePvWEh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/15/2011 4:20 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > Imagine tuning in to WSM one night > and hearing the announcer say - "Welcome to the new WSM, now > in AM Stereo". That should stir up interest in AM Stereo again > and shouldn't be a very big outlay > in cash for them to turn on their C-Quam AM gear again. They are probably > already set up for > AM Stereo if they were running it a few years ago! But only for those who still have the gear. Don't know if anyone is still making AM stereo generators and mod monitors. Oddly enough, a lot of AM processors are stereo though they lack the single channel limiting of the ones actually designed to work with the CQUAM system. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 16 17:45:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24985 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2011 00:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2011 00:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2011 00:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110416194522101215700011> for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:45:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DAA381A.4070606@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:45:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:45:22 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110416-1, 04/16/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=pu7N0nm2CucQwM8zxwVEE75aEnjkBEl5Jur2TftdQ2fevXB3r9SW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/16/2011 1:11 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > > I know it isn't an AM Stereo issue but... > > I want to know if there is some experience using two VHF or UHF > transmitters (FM of course), each of them with different audio, both in > the same carrier, but one connected to a vertical polarized antenna and > the other to a horizontal polarized antenna. Can we use that kind of > array expecting to get enough audio separation from both TXs? ??? It's done all the time at satellite frequencies but haven't heard of it being done any lower. I think it has mostly to do with the fact that those don't have to deal with reflection and refraction like terrestrial signals do. Those screw up the polarization between the transmit and receive antennas. Scott Todd From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 16 19:02:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86595 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2011 02:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2011 02:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.220) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2011 02:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2011 02:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.124] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2011 02:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2011 02:02:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 676844.51193.bm@omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 52164 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2011 02:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.41.75.112 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2011 19:02:51 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: P38mF4cVM1kE2Lh.4GieYdpoEZdmLrw0woy3ZoDLo0BSgDz 853Wn1y4LWg0KeVo9kpbAO7fI7Aoz.aWftPRBZ5tpJVnf_pEVC41yGjeQvOp 68IlNDh6jSdVOyoAfDh9RbtDy2aEMlmJKIr0RlJhNw1R63xx3O94ODrL83rc ievlQs.Gm_.DljgXn5S3pwVAmnEwcxeZCILQVEhmnPg0Hup2mlKeBepDn2aT 6ek2dwBpclqKBXz6DlltLaf5AdHz3Fs4ZbkV7FA7fAbKq7m7m6YByC6dapvc bze4hv4ZMRjF3.BYTZou87d.Dbh5An5kXfmKFWFiFsgvXzHk.OUnVewnINyZ g99RsZd6_UwLnokOX4sAAcHU7HWe8R8dz59rW X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <00724FD7FC0A4F2E8667FAA046EA99FB@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <3226b.14b72157.3ad93608@aol.com> <4DA88A5F.7080306@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:32:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=wmUc7g3blYmyHnjpaBMLZxGwMGWWjHlouXOGSwEVxGDoq9zm4CCpFytJZ2tUrBXcDOz1Sm6I X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scott And no AM STEREO radios on the store shelfs by the masses like FM STEREO is not helping a bit. And not many think of online. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? On 4/15/2011 12:48 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > I believe it is more a matter of complacency than conspiracy. There has > always been those who are totally disinterested in the audio quaility of > their > station. However, at the same time, there have been a few that took great > pride. I'd have to agree with you, Mike. To answer Juan's question even further, I wouldn't say it was necessarily a conspiracy, but from my knowledge of Salem it was a corporate philosophy that their FMs would primarily be music (with a couple of notable exceptions) and their AMs would be talk. They didn't see any point in investing in stereo on stations where there wouldn't be much stereo content. Likely Clear Channel had much the same philosophy. When they'd install newer equipment they didn't bother keeping a stereo audio chain when so many of them would be going talk. Even their AM stations which were still music ended up back in mono as they standardized on equipment at their various stations. So if they bought a boatload of Orban 9200 processors and 2/3 of them went to talk stations, that left 1/3 of them for their music stations, and being a mono processor meant no more CQUAM. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Apr 17 13:34:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78428 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2011 20:34:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2011 20:34:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2011 20:34:16 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3HKYFQh006482 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.109e.3300625 (55485) for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m25.mail.aol.com (magic-m25.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.198]) by cia-md01.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD011-d8bd4dab4ec13c1; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3a83c.11f1e2b1.3adca8c1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=aYO8QAUyern_Co8QcsY6BbfSBZjRtFaesjXZug6_wQ_rKXpmxd48AtFNMRE_ETF0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I have said before, AM Strereo is a chicken and egg issue. No one is going to buy AMS capable radios without any stations to listen to. No one is going invest in AMS transmitting equipment if there are no listeners with stereo gear. Someone has to take the first step. Many stations have already taken the first step. They have the equipment. Just turn it on. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Apr 17 13:40:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90083 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2011 20:40:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2011 20:40:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.140) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2011 20:40:25 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP134 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:40:23 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.122.168.67]) by BLU0-SMTP134.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:40:22 -0700 To: References: <3a83c.11f1e2b1.3adca8c1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:39:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2011 20:40:22.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC5E0180:01CBFD3F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ncDJH_UYelZGU4tORgj-nEAXze6yWfwfbfTMxbiJpidZ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd and advertise its there and where to buy am stereo radios From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Apr 17 13:59:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20378 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2011 20:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2011 20:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2011 20:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3HKwt73014077 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:58:55 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.1043.52cbacb (45325) for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:58:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.97]) by cia-mc05.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC051-d3c74dab54862ca; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:58:50 -0400 X-Received: from web-mmc-m01 (web-mmc-m01.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.134]) by smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC011-d3c74dab54862ca; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:58:46 -0400 References: <3a83c.11f1e2b1.3adca8c1@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:58:45 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.185.152.160 In-Reply-To: <3a83c.11f1e2b1.3adca8c1@aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 33540-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.152.160 by web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.134) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:58:45 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDCB595E206DE4-26F0-CB12@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=ZcOk4N5J4I0zR6FiUiQTMEZpxGbk_-7qftXCMtgJrk7Ls-kEjmfo X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So true. ? If my memory serves, ( THAT is another issue )?someone in this group is associated with WCTC New Brunswick NJ.? I just want to take this opportunity to thank all responsible for keeping the AM stereo on.? The station sounded great in my UX-1 equipped Chevy Cavalier. ? By the way, what in the world is causing all that buzz & fuzz on south US 1? -----Original Message----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2011 4:34 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations As I have said before, AM Strereo is a chicken and egg issue. No one is going to buy AMS capable radios without any stations to listen to. No one is going invest in AMS transmitting equipment if there are no listeners with stereo gear. Someone has to take the first step. Many stations have already taken the first step. They have the equipment. Just turn it on. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Apr 17 14:05:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44173 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2011 21:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2011 21:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2011 21:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3HL5PoK011877 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:05:26 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bc7.6c72f1a2 (55717) for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:05:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.98]) by cia-md01.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD018-d3d24dab560c58; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:05:20 -0400 X-Received: from web-mmc-m01 (web-mmc-m01.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.134]) by smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC024-d3d24dab560c58; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:05:16 -0400 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:05:16 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.185.152.160 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 33540-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.152.160 by web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.134) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:05:16 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDCB5A4901C268-26F0-CB55@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=LBrF4DFD-9enPC5HkrvzzbL35WADvHWujqRhg3wBb2f1243fTsjY X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TV is no longer stereo?? I have not been paying attention to TV that much. -----Original Message----- From: jim smith <jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:52 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations Hi I did not say that in that mesage. And thats the resson the CE told me about 5 or 6 years ago is why WSM AM 650 and menny other AM stations are in MONO. There is not any AM STEREO on the store shelfs be sold and bot by the masses like FM STEREO and now buy gone TV STEREO. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/15/2011 10:22:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jimsmith95650@... writes: > > i don't know why its not worth running cquam. on or off the generator does > not add too much to the station budget. thats what i call penny pinching > to > the extreme > > > Hi All, I think it would be worthwhile to contact some of the AM stations > that > are running music these days > and ask if they would consider running AM stereo for their > listeners? I bet some of those stations like WSM AM-650 might still > even have their AM Stereo gear sitting in a rack and all they need to do > is turn it on again. > > I don't think they would need to worry if running AM Stereo would reduce > their range from what I have read lately. > > I think it would be good advertising for the > station to announce they are in AM stereo > and start the ball rolling again. If folks started asking about AM Stereo > radios I bet the > Chinese or Japanese could come up with an AM Stereo pocket radio in no time > and > put them on the market. I understand the Japanese are still making at least > one > portable AM Stereo radio currently. It would probably just take some lead > time to > get some new radios out on the market. > > Imagine tuning in to WSM one night > and hearing the announcer say - "Welcome to the new WSM, now > in AM Stereo". That should stir up interest in AM Stereo again > and shouldn't be a very big outlay > in cash for them to turn on their C-Quam AM gear again. They are probably > already set up for > AM Stereo if they were running it a few years ago! > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Apr 17 14:26:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80595 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2011 21:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2011 21:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2011 21:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3HLQoLD032393 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:26:50 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.ce0.6d96f14b (45075) for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:26:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.169]) by cia-mc02.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC027-b23e4dab5b11b7; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:26:45 -0400 X-Received: from web-mmc-m01 (web-mmc-m01.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.134]) by smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE027-b23e4dab5b11b7; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:26:41 -0400 References: <4DA88A5F.7080306@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:26:41 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.185.152.160 In-Reply-To: <4DA88A5F.7080306@usfamily.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 33540-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.152.160 by web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.134) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:26:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDCB5D45AB5739-26F0-CC1D@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=mSEyYI98vtpLYfE2RZutwR5apD4AisDccDuraLS1ohzui9UutNvF X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When Salem aquired Philadelphia's WFIL 560 and 990 WZZD in the early 90's ( '93 I think?) both stations were AM stereo.? WFIL was doing a beautiful music format.? WZZD was a CommuniCom station.? It was one of the first Contemporary Christian music stations in the country.? Both stations had very good audio.? Both stations were mono within about 2 weeks after?Salem took over. ? And things were not even as tough then as they are now.? Go figure. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd <scottn0bst@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 2:12 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? On 4/15/2011 12:48 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > I believe it is more a matter of complacency than conspiracy. There has > always been those who are totally disinterested in the audio quaility of > their > station. However, at the same time, there have been a few that took great > pride. I'd have to agree with you, Mike. To answer Juan's question even further, I wouldn't say it was necessarily a conspiracy, but from my knowledge of Salem it was a corporate philosophy that their FMs would primarily be music (with a couple of notable exceptions) and their AMs would be talk. They didn't see any point in investing in stereo on stations where there wouldn't be much stereo content. Likely Clear Channel had much the same philosophy. When they'd install newer equipment they didn't bother keeping a stereo audio chain when so many of them would be going talk. Even their AM stations which were still music ended up back in mono as they standardized on equipment at their various stations. So if they bought a boatload of Orban 9200 processors and 2/3 of them went to talk stations, that left 1/3 of them for their music stations, and being a mono processor meant no more CQUAM. Scott Todd ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: amstereoforum-digest@yahoogroups.com amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Apr 17 15:00:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59988 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2011 22:00:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2011 22:00:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2011 22:00:02 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3HM00kP010933 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:00:00 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.13]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6B5D4E00008D for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:00:00 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464914144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d4dab62e003c1 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=em7MZo5Qy2xTgY8V-K3EEIMPo-8_7n4CrSowo6Pf_S1bPEdgVX5P X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 4/17/2011 4:34:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mjgrant@aol.com writes: As I have said before, AM Strereo is a chicken and egg issue. No one is going to buy AMS capable radios without any stations to listen to. No one is going invest in AMS transmitting equipment if there are no listeners with stereo gear. Someone has to take the first step. Many stations have already taken the first step. They have the equipment. Just turn it on. Mike Hi All, Well I have taken the first step here. I recently picked up a nice 1995 Delco UX-1 with expanded band taken from a 1995 Chevy S10 pickup and have it set up indoors next to my PC and I have a long shielded cable running outdoors to a remote active whip antenna for quiet AM band reception. I think that is the best way to go when running an AM car radio indoors. The UX-1 is well grounded via the coax line running outdoors to the active whip antenna. It was a project finding the right 21-pin OEM GM connector to fit the UX-1 and finding the color code for all the leads like power, ground, left-front speaker, right-front speaker, etc. The radio works like a charm running on a 3 Amp regulated 13.8VDC power supply. Ebay has been a good resource for things like the OEM connector and wiring harness and an adapter to fit the GM mini-Motorola antenna input jack. I really like the way the radio sounds set up on a table with a pair of small KLH bookshelf speakers and it has plenty of volume this way. I guess the next step is to start emailing station CE's and ask them to consider going AM Stereo if their station already has a music format and send thanks to the stations that are already running AM Stereo! 73 - Todd WD4NGG From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Apr 17 15:34:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11588 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2011 22:34:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2011 22:34:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2011 22:34:06 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3HMY5Wi023861 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:34:05 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.da5.17a858f7 (44666) for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:34:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.103]) by cia-mc01.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC015-b2d04dab6ad55c; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:34:00 -0400 X-Received: from web-mmc-m01 (web-mmc-m01.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.134]) by smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME027-b2d04dab6ad55c; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:33:57 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:33:57 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 71.185.152.160 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 33540-STANDARD X-Received: from 71.185.152.160 by web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.134) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:33:57 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDCB66ACEC3724-26F0-CE23@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Good read X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=xjxMUsx6wnehV7Z7I7uWcxqgPhKaUXffvOhfE7grcrvdX5o6S6BV X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Hi Guys, I just found this article. It is a couple of months old, but is a good=20 read and it proves that we are not nuts. Forward it along to as many as you can think of. The address is below.=20 You may have to copy & paste it into your browser. http://airchexx.com/2011/01/23/webmasters-corner-am-stereo-vs-hd-radio-whic= h-is-better-and-does-it-even-matter/ Enjoy, Joe P.S. I apologize if my entries are riddled with question marks.=20=20 Something weird is going on with my e-mail service. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 16:21:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40846 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2011 23:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2011 23:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2011 23:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2011 23:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2011 23:21:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:21:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4DAA381A.4070606@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.165 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=t9Khye57Mcyw5_e_5HOoNjPzE8XrKoq2_HBMjsBBjAnJnsmeTA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > >=20 > It's done all the time at satellite frequencies but haven't heard of it=20 > being done any lower. I think it has mostly to do with the fact that=20 > those don't have to deal with reflection and refraction like terrestrial= =20 > signals do. Those screw up the polarization between the transmit and=20 > receive antennas. >=20 > Scott Todd > Hi Scott!!! Thanks a lot for your information. I had some doubts about the polarization problems, but I guess in a "short"= distance (less than 5 kilometers and direct sight vision without obstacles= ) there wouldn't be mayor problems, or Am I wrong? The idea is to transmit two different stereo programs from only one studio = site to two different transmitter sites, using only one STL carrier (channe= l). (It is because we have had some problems to get a second STL channel du= e to the numbers of licenses given in the 300 MHz band at our local area). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! 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(VPS 110418-0, 04/18/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=HIoyBwsCa618PzxYQh62x48bBAv57JHW0iyA-pTNe1E64Nma9xZ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/17/2011 3:34 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Many stations have already taken the first step. They have the equipment. > Just turn it on. > If they still have it at all (unlikely) then it's probably been sitting on a shelf for the last decade or more. It would need all the caps shotgunned at minimum to get any sort of decent performance. I doubt too many engineers would be up to the task. 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(VPS 110418-0, 04/18/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1yTqV10GhcB9ihZM9HSqOQ924X9QA7gxxjCWN0qGGk2pOSJMK9Kd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/17/2011 3:59 PM, jmrouse@mail.com wrote: > So true. > ? > If my memory serves, ( THAT is another issue )?someone in this group is > associated with WCTC New Brunswick NJ.? I just want to take this > opportunity to thank all responsible for keeping the AM stereo on.? The > station sounded great in my UX-1 equipped Chevy Cavalier. Nope- he's just a listener like yourself. 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(VPS 110418-0, 04/18/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=s9o6CVCE3tcCQ6LzdmVP_1kRJHZJoKbNCjJjeiHG7UXLucpyUFPz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/17/2011 4:05 PM, jmrouse@mail.com wrote: > TV is no longer stereo?? I have not been paying attention to TV that much. I think Jim was referring to analog TV stereo. It's still stereo, just digitally now. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Apr 18 06:38:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47194 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2011 13:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2011 13:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2011 13:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110418083751102479700011> for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:37:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DAC3EA8.8080008@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:37:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:37:51 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4DA88A5F.7080306@usfamily.net> <8CDCB5D45AB5739-26F0-CC1D@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CDCB5D45AB5739-26F0-CC1D@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110418-0, 04/18/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is WLS-890 Still AM Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=vn8arEnAnyC7JSU3BCm4cv0z6B6eg86KqeVWXIzg_AMj1LGwSAYN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/17/2011 4:27 PM, jmrouse@mail.com wrote: > When Salem aquired Philadelphia's WFIL 560 and 990 WZZD in the early > 90's ( '93 I think?) both stations were AM stereo.? WFIL was doing a > beautiful music format.? WZZD was a CommuniCom station.? It was one of > the first Contemporary Christian music stations in the country.? Both > stations had very good audio.? Both stations were mono within about 2 > weeks after?Salem took over. > ? > And things were not even as tough then as they are now.? Go figure. That goes back to the corporate philosophy thing I mentioned earlier- their AMs were bought for talk formats of which they had two, and now three. The first is Christian teaching (block programs) and talk, and usually a few hours in the afternoon are live. The other is conservative talk with their own stable of talent, Prager, Medved, Hewitt, etc.; and now in some markets they have a business talk format. Any FM stations they primarily use for music, namely The Fish contemporary Christian format, though a couple of their oldest FMs are teaching/talk. Salem wasn't interested in spending money on stereo on their AMs due to the largely mono nature of the talk genre. Also they have their equipment standardization policy which was also part of why stereo went away. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Apr 18 06:54:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94128 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2011 13:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2011 13:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2011 13:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110418085406101308100011> for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:54:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DAC4278.6060303@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:54:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:54:06 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110418-0, 04/18/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=u-U1cnjypp1cGsxOcNUEbu8iSce18eqOEyFxA5UbI5szbJVXH_1A X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/17/2011 6:21 PM, Jota wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , Scott Todd wrote: > Hi Scott!!! > > Thanks a lot for your information. > > I had some doubts about the polarization problems, but I guess in a > "short" distance (less than 5 kilometers and direct sight vision without > obstacles) there wouldn't be mayor problems, or Am I wrong? > > The idea is to transmit two different stereo programs from only one > studio site to two different transmitter sites, using only one STL > carrier (channel). (It is because we have had some problems to get a > second STL channel due to the numbers of licenses given in the 300 MHz > band at our local area). > I can be done with point to point microwave, but you'll need some very good antennas and dishes. You'll need a spectrum analyzer to align the receive antennas for minimum cross-polarized signal, not necessarily peak signal. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Apr 18 08:03:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52683 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2011 15:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2011 15:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.213.170) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2011 15:03:56 -0000 X-Received: by yxi11 with SMTP id 11so2632323yxi.1 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.91.209.3 with SMTP id l3mr4482285agq.29.1303139035726; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t23sm5528086ano.51.2011.04.18.08.03.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) In-Reply-To: <4DAC3C54.9070500@usfamily.net> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:03:52 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3a83c.11f1e2b1.3adca8c1@aol.com> <4DAC3C54.9070500@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=pYR-qPynTe6QYdYC7kUm5C_zhgIceF-OFDI59Nep2u5gBobAmj2t43pxzkdZNA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Scott Todd wrote: > I doubt too many engineers would be up to the task. I doubt too many engineers would have the time. Back in the good ol days, a= n engineer would take care of one station, or an AM-FM Combo. Now that same= Engineers are having HD-Radio Shoved down his throat all while working on = a Half Dozen or more stations. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 18 14:58:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87151 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2011 20:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2011 20:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2011 20:29:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2011 20:29:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2011 20:29:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:29:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4DAC3CD4.4050101@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.147.92 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on the 50KW stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=A58plP_fF3Mz3S4HwECgUltHokUsnlFp2IgOOg1Lfrib7D4P2OuOx4W3elVYdUXyHs0pJk-9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Scott and Gang Yes analog TV STEREO turn out to be more populer then AM= STEREO becuase the FCC set the standerd right out of the gate. I like most= of us here wish that the FCC would band iCRAP on AM and mandate AM STEREO = for all music stations and optional for talk stations.Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 4/17/2011 4:05 PM, jmrouse@... wrote: > > TV is no longer stereo?? I have not been paying attention to TV that mu= ch. >=20 > I think Jim was referring to analog TV stereo. It's still stereo, just=20 > digitally now. >=20 > Scott Todd > From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 16:36:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73372 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2011 23:36:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2011 23:36:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2011 23:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2011 23:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2011 23:36:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:36:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.162.91.185 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=3Ta3muaS3eMFFLNKI7js87GRK7Vq0p4idjq-T-WyemGReQ5f6X24 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hello AM Stereo fans, KCJJ aired another quadraphonic music set last week, courtesy of Tab Patterson and the Robb Radio Show. This time Tab used his=20 PRO1k tuner to record an OFF-AIR sample of three songs over 12 minutes time. You can download the MP3 file from here: http://meduci.com/KCJJ_QuadTest.mp3 Further details can be found on the meduci web site. We do hope that you enjoy Tab's recording. Now this proves that=20 quadraphonic matrix sound can be sent over Mot C-QuAM technology and received with the PRO1k tuner!=20=20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci.com Creator of the AMX2000 and PRO1k AM Stereo Tuners From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Apr 18 22:28:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89650 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2011 05:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2011 05:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.210.178) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2011 05:28:44 -0000 X-Received: by mail-iy0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 12so23607549iyi.9 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:28:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.227.69 with SMTP id iz5mr1040874icb.442.1303190923868; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from hs50eb30caac69 (67-1-12-91.tcso.qwest.net [67.1.12.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xe5sm2891470icb.22.2011.04.18.22.28.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <56938DD4FDD54FAAACB444518867E6E9@hs50eb30caac69> To: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:28:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: ot station breaks on shows? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=lfEu2XVuNU8uCZcTC8oXT9XEuTeLmn_sCGqlDCIjWstLEnY8uVTg X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 hello does any one if coast to coast am has a spasific time that they take breaks at? reason why I am asking is because the station here in tucson az k n s t when I listen online when coasttocoastam goes on there break there is music that plays it allways faids out then the show has about a second ore 2 of the final comercial then the show comes back on.] on a am stereo note can some one recorcoast to coast am off of wls starting with there theme and about the first half an hour? I have allways wanted to hear the back and fourth awesome stereo night time mode listening.] thanks Hank email: hanksmith5@gmail.com skype: hanksmith5 check out my youtube video of a song I recorded in nashville tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Apr 18 23:14:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22049 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2011 06:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2011 06:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f174.google.com) (209.85.160.174) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2011 06:14:42 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gy0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 10so2129344gyd.33 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:14:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.146.175.19 with SMTP id x19mr2962536yae.16.1303193681942; Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d14sm6149465ana.0.2011.04.18.23.14.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <56938DD4FDD54FAAACB444518867E6E9@hs50eb30caac69> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 02:14:39 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <56938DD4FDD54FAAACB444518867E6E9@hs50eb30caac69> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot station breaks on shows? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=UFJWZOJoL5n0_6pLevQm5SbYqaQApPjLGhZkoJ6QVAMaBe1TPWudSbnT3JhCeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Apr 19, 2011, at 1:28 AM, hank smith wrote: > hello > reason why I am asking is because the station here in tucson az k n s t > when I listen online when coasttocoastam goes on there break there is mus= ic=20 > that plays > it allways faids out then the show has about a second ore 2 of the final= =20 > comercial then the show comes back on.] OK, The station you are listening to is Automated, some of the breaks will = not be perfect. Union Rules and Affiliate Contracts only allows the Spots t= o be aired on the air, not online, so they fill the commercial breaks with = music on the web feed. If you were listening on the air, you would hear all= of the Spots. > on a am stereo note can some one recorcoast to coast am off of wls > starting with there theme and about the first half an hour? > I have allways wanted to hear the back and fourth awesome stereo night ti= me=20 > mode listening.] Sorry, but Coast To Coast is a Mono Feed, as are almost ALL Talk Radio netw= orks. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Tue Apr 19 01:43:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51855 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2011 08:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2011 08:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.149) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2011 08:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110419084335.VBBG23624.nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:43:35 +0000 X-Received: from ian56817f068c9 ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110419084335.QWJW9786.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:43:35 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:43:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acv+bd6c/b6RPCW8SGyOlgnS8OIWLA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 Message-Id: <20110419084335.QWJW9786.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> X-SIH-MSG-ID: rRgxENf8TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU67mJrMwgcz21TdcNhKPOmIqYKn0X4/Qs+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: The Oz Report - and Golden Days Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys DAB+ Radio in thriving in Australia's mainland capital cities. Over 400,000 digital radios have been sold since its inception. The CRA (commercial radio operators) say the take-up is four times what they anticipated. There's now 49 stations on the DAB+ dial (I should say MENU) in Melbourne. Several are digital only stations. Only in the last couple of weeks nine full power metro community stations have officially launched in DAB+, with the assistance of federal government funding. Socialism at work - and keeping greedy Capitalism in check to a degree! I do a voluntary shift at a sub-metro (suburban) community station each Tuesday evening (USA time) - 3GDR Golden Days Radio. It's old fashioned radio for people who like radio "The way it used to be". Golden Days Radio has just started streaming on the web at http://www.3gdr.asn.au/ Give it a try! If you listen between 9:00 pm and midnight on your Tuesday I'll be there manning the phones. If you like what you hear, please send an email to mail@3gdr.asn.au , or even better ring us on 61 3 9572 1466 and I'll get on-air presenter Thena Keldoulis to send you a bonza cheerio. Community radio deserves all the support that it can get. Cheers from Downunder Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 19 07:30:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91728 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2011 14:20:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2011 14:20:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2011 14:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2011 14:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2011 14:20:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:20:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.158 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GQUBysH7vdDWKeSuzPB7pvPtp-zBPhTTFMr8Qc96vLIAMwU39A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 The link doesn't work to me ??? Whatever, I guess any AM stereo system can transmit any matrix Quadraphonic= sound system, but the final results will be a decoder matrix device depend= ing issue. Then... I wonder... Where we could get matrix Quadraphonic decod= ers today? ??? I wonder it because my old Pioneer QX-949A can decode a Quad= (SQ, QS or CD-4) vinyl disc but it doesn't have any kind of Quad decoder i= nto the tuning part. So... Maybe we will have a full "REAL TIME" Quad decoder in the digital domain (s= oftware)... soon, I don't know. BTW, the standard MP3 code doesn't allow more than 2 audio channels. The hi= t would be if you could record a real Quad sound and put it into a WAV or W= MA file format with the full Quad sound on it. Just an idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wro= te: > > Hello AM Stereo fans, >=20 > KCJJ aired another quadraphonic music set last week, courtesy > of Tab Patterson and the Robb Radio Show. This time Tab used his=20 > PRO1k tuner to record an OFF-AIR sample of three songs over 12 > minutes time. You can download the MP3 file from here: >=20 > http://meduci.com/KCJJ_QuadTest.mp3 >=20 > Further details can be found on the meduci web site. We do > hope that you enjoy Tab's recording. Now this proves that=20 > quadraphonic matrix sound can be sent over Mot C-QuAM technology > and received with the PRO1k tuner!=20=20 >=20 > Sincerely, > meduci, LLC > http://meduci.com > Creator of the AMX2000 and PRO1k AM Stereo Tuners > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 19 07:37:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3382 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2011 14:25:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2011 14:25:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2011 14:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2011 14:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2011 14:25:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:25:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20110419084335.QWJW9786.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.158 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: The Oz Report - and Golden Days Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6sEsmSyPBmoWDRrphg7-Os8ljXkvsJgvEGTgd-2cZW3TTqvedg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Excuse my ignorance but... Isn't DAB+ a not AM band? I mean, up to me, DAB+ is for L-band not MW or SW. Or Am I wrong? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wr= ote: > > Hi guys >=20=20 >=20=20 > DAB+ Radio in thriving in Australia's mainland capital cities. Over 400,= 000 > digital radios have been sold since its inception. The CRA (commercial > radio operators) say the take-up is four times what they anticipated. >=20=20 > There's now 49 stations on the DAB+ dial (I should say MENU) in Melbourne= . > Several are digital only stations. >=20=20 > Only in the last couple of weeks nine full power metro community stations > have officially launched in DAB+, with the assistance of federal governme= nt > funding. Socialism at work - and keeping greedy Capitalism in check to a > degree! >=20=20 >=20=20 > I do a voluntary shift at a sub-metro (suburban) community station each > Tuesday evening (USA time) - 3GDR Golden Days Radio. It's old fashioned > radio for people who like radio "The way it used to be". >=20=20 > Golden Days Radio has just started streaming on the web at > http://www.3gdr.asn.au/=20 >=20=20 > Give it a try! >=20=20 > If you listen between 9:00 pm and midnight on your Tuesday I'll be there > manning the phones. If you like what you hear, please send an email to > mail@... , or even better ring us on 61 3 9572 1466 and I'll get > on-air presenter Thena Keldoulis to send you a bonza cheerio. >=20=20 > Community radio deserves all the support that it can get. >=20=20 > Cheers from Downunder >=20=20 > Ian > Melbourne >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Tue Apr 19 16:43:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92017 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2011 23:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2011 23:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2011 23:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2011 23:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2011 23:43:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:43:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.11.110 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=j8KF0Z5VqmjX5344CKq0TLQaJx_aCizvSp4Lhkxxw4WdtwaSKvYo X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hi Jota, You write: > The link doesn't work to me Depending on which IE browser you are using, you should be able to right click on the link on the meduci web site, select "Save target as" to your computer's hard disk drive. You will then have MP3 file to play using WinAmp or Media Player. From there, you take the left/right audio channels from your=20 computer to your home theatre system's Dolby Pro-Logic II=20 receiver in music mode.=20=20 >BTW, the standard MP3 code doesn't allow more than 2 audio=20 >channels. C-QuAM stereo standard only supports two channels.=20 >The hit would be if you could record a real Quad sound and put=20 >it into a WAV or WMA file format with the full Quad sound on=20 >it. Just an idea. This is not possible given the present technology. This is why phasing is used to develop the four discrete audio channels. Phasing was also used to develop the left and right channels from the L=3DR and L-R channels. It works, and the meduci PRO1k proves it!=20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci.com Creator of the AMX2000 and PRO1k AM Stereo Tuners From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Apr 19 19:12:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23919 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2011 02:12:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2011 02:12:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f51.google.com) (209.85.214.51) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2011 02:12:02 -0000 X-Received: by bwz10 with SMTP id 10so395840bwz.24 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:12:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.10.81 with SMTP id o17mr434711bko.94.1303265521622; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:12:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.65.13 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:12:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110419084335.QWJW9786.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:12:01 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.51 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Oz Report - and Golden Days Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=t0E0cXQ5tXRKTgB2jaRdF7vuX0WcL8A9ZPR1I-_oqg0Z0xqc X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, yes, DAB+ is not used in medium wave or short wave. Ian's enthusiasm for DAB+ is great. It has some advantages including the ability to reuse spectrum and *potentially* good sound quality. Also, many stations use the same multiplex so stations don't have power advantages ove= r each other. The downside is that many stations encode their audio at only 48kbps or 64kbps with the AAC codec. While the AAC codec is more efficient than MP3, there are still artifacts. It has been said that you need around 100kbps fo= r the audio to sound as good as FM. On http://www.abc.net.au you will find a list of stations on the right that are encoded using the AAC codec. Let us know what you think of the sound quality compared to AM or FM at the different bitrates. Also, DAB+ takes a lot more power to decode than AM or FM so you will have to change your batteries much more regularly. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Jota wrote: > > > Excuse my ignorance but... Isn't DAB+ a not AM band? > > I mean, up to me, DAB+ is for L-band not MW or SW. Or Am I wrong? ??? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" > wrote: > > > > Hi guys > > > > > > DAB+ Radio in thriving in Australia's mainland capital cities. Over > 400,000 > > digital radios have been sold since its inception. The CRA (commercial > > radio operators) say the take-up is four times what they anticipated. > > > > There's now 49 stations on the DAB+ dial (I should say MENU) in > Melbourne. > > Several are digital only stations. > > > > Only in the last couple of weeks nine full power metro community statio= ns > > have officially launched in DAB+, with the assistance of federal > government > > funding. Socialism at work - and keeping greedy Capitalism in check to = a > > degree! > > > > > > I do a voluntary shift at a sub-metro (suburban) community station each > > Tuesday evening (USA time) - 3GDR Golden Days Radio. It's old fashioned > > radio for people who like radio "The way it used to be". > > > > Golden Days Radio has just started streaming on the web at > > http://www.3gdr.asn.au/ > > > > Give it a try! > > > > If you listen between 9:00 pm and midnight on your Tuesday I'll be ther= e > > manning the phones. If you like what you hear, please send an email to > > mail@... , or even better ring us on 61 3 9572 1466 and I'll get > > on-air presenter Thena Keldoulis to send you a bonza cheerio. > > > > Community radio deserves all the support that it can get. > > > > Cheers from Downunder > > > > Ian > > Melbourne > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Apr 19 19:23:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71784 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2011 02:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2011 02:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f50.google.com) (209.85.214.50) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2011 02:23:24 -0000 X-Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so396101bwz.37 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:23:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.19.82 with SMTP id z18mr430296bka.175.1303266203538; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:23:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.65.13 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:23:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:23:23 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.50 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=rDlldSXKb3EwY6Yxkwtezx8wuB8cD0cJLOVnjdqde2e023dl X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Meduci, that was pretty cool. Did you record that directly from the radio to the computer, or to tape first? You might want to reduce the volume of your sound card's line in when recording to the computer to make sure there is n= o clipping. Then we can more appreciate the beautiful sound :-) Juan, you should be able to get the full quad with your pioneer because the quad is encoded into the 2 channels. Just plug your AM stereo radio into th= e Pioneer's line in. Although, I think that you might be saying that the MP3 process obliterates the quad phase information. I'm not sure... Cheers, Dan On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 7:43 AM, jeffdeck2001 wrote= : > > > Hi Jota, > > > You write: > > The link doesn't work to me > > Depending on which IE browser you are using, you should be > able to right click on the link on the meduci web site, select > "Save target as" to your computer's hard disk drive. You will > then have MP3 file to play using WinAmp or Media Player. From > there, you take the left/right audio channels from your > computer to your home theatre system's Dolby Pro-Logic II > receiver in music mode. > > >BTW, the standard MP3 code doesn't allow more than 2 audio > >channels. > C-QuAM stereo standard only supports two channels. > > >The hit would be if you could record a real Quad sound and put > >it into a WAV or WMA file format with the full Quad sound on > >it. Just an idea. > This is not possible given the present technology. This is why > phasing is used to develop the four discrete audio channels. > Phasing was also used to develop the left and right channels > from the L=3DR and L-R channels. It works, and the meduci > PRO1k proves it! > > Sincerely, > meduci, LLC > http://meduci.com > Creator of the AMX2000 and PRO1k AM Stereo Tuners > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 08:04:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86366 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2011 14:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2011 14:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2011 14:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2011 14:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2011 14:33:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:33:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=YYbHnDGLs7-HfS_Atr_0lMbrEHgF_w_FsKYOHfpYJ28v1gDcIwN9bfI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I think you'll need some brief ".wav" files to keep the QUAD encoding intac= t. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 08:17:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59853 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2011 15:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2011 15:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2011 15:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2011 15:17:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2011 15:17:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:17:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.158 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=RQBg8O2i2dCn0JduOBx6SnwvKyT0EW4mFOnU_zwVETKpbFtKPA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wro= te: > > Hi Jota, >=20 > This is not possible given the present technology. This is why > phasing is used to develop the four discrete audio channels. > Phasing was also used to develop the left and right channels > from the L=3DR and L-R channels. It works, and the meduci > PRO1k proves it!=20 >=20 > Sincerely, > meduci, LLC > http://meduci.com > Creator of the AMX2000 and PRO1k AM Stereo Tuners > Hi!!! I didn't express my idea with the right words. I wanted to say that if you could uploaded a WAV or WMA file with the ORIGI= NAL 4 channels audio... "pre-decoded". Not the C-QUAM audio. You can save a 4 channels file easily with Adobe Audition (and other free a= udio software) and you can decode a matrix quad vinyl with free software (l= ike SQDecode V1.2). So, when you get the 4 channel audio then you can put i= t on a WAV or WMA file. BTW, the only one "negative" point I can see on the last Meduci tuner is th= e Stereo light indicator. Why not to put it out of the LCD panel? Just an i= dea. BTW, Aren't you plan to add an headphone amplifier to the tuner? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 08:27:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13174 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2011 15:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2011 15:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2011 15:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2011 15:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2011 15:04:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:04:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.158 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Oz Report - and Golden Days Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=calP5x4ZHU_Xmtr6lnMKYA-SQt_3SyM8n6XH3SCq88OcCeE4Qg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Daniel!!! Please, excuse my ignorance about this issue, but I understood that all the= bands above UHF used non-compressed digital audio. According to your words= , I was wrong. Non-compressed digital audio is already used today in some expensive STL (p= oint to point) devices (Moseley is the most famous on that line). And it so= unds... like it has to sound!!! Outstanding!!! But I don't have any chance = to reach the price. So... I don't understand why to use compression in the L-band. Some legal restriction? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! 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(VPS 110420-1, 04/20/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Oz Report - and Golden Days Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ayzdHCCoXE66xoKl9TFaMXYrtBtncv7Euo6MpYSLJyJ9SLrPzky_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/19/2011 3:43 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > Hi guys > > > DAB+ Radio in thriving in Australia's mainland capital cities. Over 400,000 > digital radios have been sold since its inception. The CRA (commercial > radio operators) say the take-up is four times what they anticipated. > > There's now 49 stations on the DAB+ dial (I should say MENU) in Melbourne. > Several are digital only stations. > > Only in the last couple of weeks nine full power metro community stations > have officially launched in DAB+, with the assistance of federal government > funding. Socialism at work - and keeping greedy Capitalism in check to a > degree! > You can bet it wasn't a big government program which actually developed the technology. And wasn't the golden age of the pirate radio ships due to government controlled broadcasting? Thought so. Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Apr 20 13:29:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77170 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2011 20:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2011 20:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2011 20:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3KKCSoD008327 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:12:28 -0400 X-Received: from core-mga001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.193]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 954F3E000088 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:12:28 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:364075744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4daf3e2c6098 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: AM Stereo - Response From Local Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=gP3IUWbol6A4drujdDf0poXNDSCHJjPvJh0V0taAymCV_Eb5rFBz X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, In the last month or so the local AM radio station where I live on Hilton Head Island, SC - WHHW AM-1130 - changed to an adult-oriented oldies music format. When the station first went on the air in the middle-to-late 80s they were running a rock music format using Motorola C-Quam Stereo and promoting AM Stereo at the time. That is where I bought my Sony SRF-A100, right at the station. Sometime in the 90's they switched to a sports/talk format and the rock music format went to a local FM station. Now in 2011 they have come full circle and are back to a music format again. I posted a message to them asking if they may run AM Stereo again. Their response? They suggested I listen to them online where they are streaming their program in Stereo! Also they are now promoting using a "radio app" for your "mobile device" so you can listen to their online stream in stereo while driving down the road! It sounds to me like using a "mobile device" to listen to online streaming of a radio station could change the whole way we think about local radio in the future? Sounds nifty if you don't mind paying $100+ a month for a "mobile device" and mobile internet service but I would still rather listen to them in AM Stereo for nearly free on something like a Sony SRF-42 or similar portable radio or a Delco UX-1 in my car or home! 73 - Todd WD4NGG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Apr 20 14:02:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60744 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2011 21:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2011 21:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2011 21:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110420155953102456500011> for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:59:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DAF493F.40102@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:59:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:59:53 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110420-1, 04/20/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo - Response From Local Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=smM1xPtu0bJuz9d8x03HBUFQptgUsJy2EkIesHw4BLqpzXzEwSyW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/20/2011 3:30 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > I posted a message to them asking if they may run AM Stereo again. > Their response? > They suggested I listen to them online where they are streaming their > program in Stereo! > > Also they are now promoting using a "radio app" for your "mobile device" > so you can listen to their online stream in stereo while driving down the > road! > > It sounds to me like using a "mobile device" to listen to online streaming > of a > radio station could change the whole way we think about local radio in the > future? > > Sounds nifty if you don't mind paying $100+ a month for a "mobile device" > and > mobile internet service but I would still rather listen to them in AM > Stereo for nearly > free on something like a Sony SRF-42 or similar portable radio or a Delco > UX-1 in my car > or home! I hope you wrote them back and told them as much. Mobile internet has its advantages but it's far too expensive for streaming a lot of audio and video. Scott Todd From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Apr 20 14:19:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89883 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2011 21:19:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2011 21:19:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f44.google.com) (209.85.210.44) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2011 21:19:09 -0000 X-Received: by pzk30 with SMTP id 30so740387pzk.31 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:19:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.25.129 with SMTP id c1mr11769725pbg.347.1303334349033; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from hs50eb30caac69 (67-1-12-91.tcso.qwest.net [67.1.12.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m5sm846549pbh.70.2011.04.20.14.19.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <754E34C5DB6D4D3A9DEDA2A2C949F84D@hs50eb30caac69> To: References: <4DAF493F.40102@usfamily.net> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:19:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo - Response From Local Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=QuNjq5VmxQy6ugPl3lxEOmbc8YfMZeJffDQ4Rfd1Yr_7Kadne2yu X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit not to count the stupid caps the mobile cariers put on you. email: hanksmith5@gmail.com skype: hanksmith5 check out my youtube video of a song I recorded in nashville tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo - Response From Local Station On 4/20/2011 3:30 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > I posted a message to them asking if they may run AM Stereo again. > Their response? > They suggested I listen to them online where they are streaming their > program in Stereo! > > Also they are now promoting using a "radio app" for your "mobile device" > so you can listen to their online stream in stereo while driving down the > road! > > It sounds to me like using a "mobile device" to listen to online streaming > of a > radio station could change the whole way we think about local radio in the > future? > > Sounds nifty if you don't mind paying $100+ a month for a "mobile device" > and > mobile internet service but I would still rather listen to them in AM > Stereo for nearly > free on something like a Sony SRF-42 or similar portable radio or a Delco > UX-1 in my car > or home! I hope you wrote them back and told them as much. Mobile internet has its advantages but it's far too expensive for streaming a lot of audio and video. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 16:47:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50788 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2011 23:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2011 23:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2011 23:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2011 23:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2011 23:46:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:46:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.11.39 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=OHtiTJyPDKKIgCpwdt1iJmW8sxQQHLmFs-eaLDOdTxaG82ayn-Y3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hi Dan, You write: >Did you record that directly from the radio to the computer,=20 >or to tape first? Tab Patterson actually recorded the MP3 file using his PRO1k tuner seven miles from the KCJJ-AM transmitter site in Iowa.=20 >I think that you might be saying that the MP3 process=20 >obliterates the quad phase information.=20=20=20 No, the MP3 process should not affect the phasing. Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci.com Creator of the AMX2000 and PRO1k AM Stereo Tuners From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 16:55:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39398 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2011 23:55:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2011 23:55:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2011 23:55:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2011 23:55:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2011 23:55:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:55:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.11.39 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=1dRNFqnBjnujMdZ4OuaGoTMFitQpyJ85a-BleFtZ2ej1Zk9IaYO7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hi Jota, You write: >I wanted to say that if you could uploaded a WAV or WMA file=20 >with the ORIGINAL 4 channels audio... "pre-decoded".=20 >Not the C-QUAM audio. And why not use C-QuAM AM stereo format? That would not be fun. >BTW, the only one "negative" point I can see on the last=20 >Meduci tuner is the Stereo light indicator. Why not to=20 >put it out of the LCD panel? Just an idea. We have the LED stereo indicator integrated with the=20 LED display. Are you saying to separate the stereo LED from the display? >BTW, Aren't you plan to add an headphone amplifier to the=20 >tuner? ??? Yes, at some point. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 18:23:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86451 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2011 01:23:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2011 01:23:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2011 01:23:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 01:23:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 01:23:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 01:23:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.111 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5kPNNS7Wu8EC7Q7vbx1XwEtpunYZ1Y8EqhO5_rBN9LF7TtLf3w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wro= te: > >=20 > We have the LED stereo indicator integrated with the=20 > LED display. Are you saying to separate the stereo LED > from the display? >=20 Yes! That's my point. Just an idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 20 18:33:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2380 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2011 01:33:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2011 01:33:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.180) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2011 01:33:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 01:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.68] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 01:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 01:33:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 618194.31526.bm@omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 54002 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2011 01:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.26.55.107 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2011 18:33:40 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: jB_qfPgVM1nt5p26DNn2tEBENkMzoWW4BbpR6DrzXyVlwwH ZqwUpiiuwAQF1syK9OdUMlc42yRCuj9uclkO0P2myCxtPuPMZ23L74hzRp.H N9L.FeyreXnZKToxrY9pUmZuKPqz_hB1LpDk1B5ZKZAt6n8_138GvLvwU93l XXBCBeiL6fMOgAvTXoVQwS0zJteaCaRpB96oE2rJyYeeSOw71zArcZ1z8fA7 fot5pWAR4Nq7e80dPaIcstxcllWjTfJ6mfibldN9.w_F4LZVcLsugIafkWJ3 GyrUD4x3bhthpxHa.D_SKw5VBrE8.JceHj9sgrt1mZpxMXWD_ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:33:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.180 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo - Response From Local Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=67mW6pPr3NNt5RAFshClFdoix_YT6kaLDGaenDmYYRgrvM5Shy8q3FSE6ZKJ-6iPiDqNg9nE X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tell then that its cheaper to listen over the air in AM STEREO. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo - Response From Local Station Hi all, In the last month or so the local AM radio station where I live on Hilton Head Island, SC - WHHW AM-1130 - changed to an adult-oriented oldies music format. When the station first went on the air in the middle-to-late 80s they were running a rock music format using Motorola C-Quam Stereo and promoting AM Stereo at the time. That is where I bought my Sony SRF-A100, right at the station. Sometime in the 90's they switched to a sports/talk format and the rock music format went to a local FM station. Now in 2011 they have come full circle and are back to a music format again. I posted a message to them asking if they may run AM Stereo again. Their response? They suggested I listen to them online where they are streaming their program in Stereo! Also they are now promoting using a "radio app" for your "mobile device" so you can listen to their online stream in stereo while driving down the road! It sounds to me like using a "mobile device" to listen to online streaming of a radio station could change the whole way we think about local radio in the future? Sounds nifty if you don't mind paying $100+ a month for a "mobile device" and mobile internet service but I would still rather listen to them in AM Stereo for nearly free on something like a Sony SRF-42 or similar portable radio or a Delco UX-1 in my car or home! 73 - Todd WD4NGG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Apr 20 18:44:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70860 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2011 01:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2011 01:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f52.google.com) (209.85.214.52) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2011 01:44:24 -0000 X-Received: by bwj24 with SMTP id 24so1772017bwj.39 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:44:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.24.4 with SMTP id t4mr360368bkb.109.1303350263084; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:44:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.118.6 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:44:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:44:23 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Oz Report - and Golden Days Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=kf38fL9N7blQTP9psyWsPc2DxzXZ2qC_jUiw4CH4jcsl1URD X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, DAB+ in Australia is currently operating in VHF Band III but the use of Ban= d L is possible. I don't know much about the Moseley devices apart from a quick look. They appear to be devices that send the audio from the studio to the transmitter= . The question then becomes why these don't get used for broadcasting (ie. build receivers to listen to their output directly). Some possibilities: * They are point-to-point with a highly directional antenna to the transmitter. If they were used for broadcasting, a less directional antenna would have to be used, increasing interference possibilities. * If they were used for broadcasting, the demand on spectrum would be huge. * Maybe the range of the transmission is short. Maybe an engineer in the forum can let us know. Cheers. Dan On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Jota wrote: > > > Hi Daniel!!! > > Please, excuse my ignorance about this issue, but I understood that all t= he > bands above UHF used non-compressed digital audio. According to your word= s, > I was wrong. > > Non-compressed digital audio is already used today in some expensive STL > (point to point) devices (Moseley is the most famous on that line). And i= t > sounds... like it has to sound!!! Outstanding!!! But I don't have any cha= nce > to reach the price. > > So... I don't understand why to use compression in the L-band. > > Some legal restriction? ??? > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Apr 20 21:47:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2629 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2011 04:47:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2011 04:47:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f171.google.com) (74.125.83.171) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2011 04:47:33 -0000 X-Received: by pva4 with SMTP id 4so741949pva.30 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:47:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.20.136 with SMTP id n8mr12320811pbe.225.1303361251890; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from hs50eb30caac69 (67-1-12-91.tcso.qwest.net [67.1.12.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t9sm1064224pbo.3.2011.04.20.21.47.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:47:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: ot: can some one tell me if my ears are deceiving me? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ejIcvPqvMGAslm59Z-XfO6YpLNNGuG36YqOt3zN56EiAHJPgPbeu X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 can you all tune in to my local radio station's online feed? I sware to god coast to coast am bumber music and other musical breaks are in stereo if this is the case question then becomes how are they doing that? url is: http://www.790knst.com/mediaplayer/ check it around 10:04 that is when fox news ends and the adds and crap come up that should give u plenty of time to ketch the begenning show. Hank email: hanksmith5@gmail.com skype: hanksmith5 check out my youtube video of a song I recorded in nashville tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Apr 20 22:37:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61611 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2011 05:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2011 05:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f52.google.com) (209.85.214.52) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2011 05:37:39 -0000 X-Received: by bwj24 with SMTP id 24so2181027bwj.11 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:37:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.20.147 with SMTP id f19mr1408018bkb.163.1303364259177; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:37:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.118.6 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:37:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:37:38 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.52 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: can some one tell me if my ears are deceiving me? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=FICJ2WQ1nb0ZTUSJR6ZgiCso2dRTUBL7fYtaUuBunVaI0GxC X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Hank, the stream is in stereo. The online feed is taken directly from the studio and not off the air. The AM transmission is not necessarily stereo. Dan On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, hank smith wrote: > > > can you all tune in to > my local radio station's online feed? > I sware to god coast to coast am bumber music and other musical breaks ar= e > in stereo > if this is the case question then becomes how are they doing that? > url is: > http://www.790knst.com/mediaplayer/ > check it around 10:04 > that is when fox news ends and the adds and crap come up that should give= u > > plenty of time to ketch the begenning show. > Hank > email: > hanksmith5@gmail.com > skype: > hanksmith5 > check out my youtube video of a song I recorded in nashville tennessee! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMqut5Bi3e7A > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Apr 20 22:41:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35592 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2011 05:41:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2011 05:41:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f179.google.com) (209.85.214.179) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2011 05:41:30 -0000 X-Received: by iwc10 with SMTP id 10so1609071iwc.24 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:41:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.60.148 with SMTP id ws20mr1183310icb.264.1303364490376; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from hs50eb30caac69 (67-1-12-91.tcso.qwest.net [67.1.12.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i3sm648848iby.6.2011.04.20.22.41.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:41:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.179 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: can some one tell me if my ears are deceiving me? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=cGxNAfm2T7wJLkExVPHhMkogR01mvu8W8_lJCW4zmO595zfR8pd0 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 gotcha that makes total sense. thanks Hank email: hanksmith5@gmail.com skype: hanksmith5 check out my youtube video of a song I recorded in nashville tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:37 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: can some one tell me if my ears are deceiving me? > Hi Hank, > > the stream is in stereo. The online feed is taken directly from the studio > and not off the air. The AM transmission is not necessarily stereo. > > Dan > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, hank smith wrote: > >> >> >> can you all tune in to >> my local radio station's online feed? >> I sware to god coast to coast am bumber music and other musical breaks >> are >> in stereo >> if this is the case question then becomes how are they doing that? >> url is: >> http://www.790knst.com/mediaplayer/ >> check it around 10:04 >> that is when fox news ends and the adds and crap come up that should give >> u >> >> plenty of time to ketch the begenning show. >> Hank >> email: >> hanksmith5@gmail.com >> skype: >> hanksmith5 >> check out my youtube video of a song I recorded in nashville tennessee! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 21 01:41:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68228 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2011 08:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2011 08:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2011 08:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3L8fKdB029220 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 04:41:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.fa2.f63332b (43914) for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 04:41:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d16.mail.aol.com (magic-d16.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.132]) by cia-dc08.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC083-ab8a4dafedac24b; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 04:41:16 -0400 Message-ID: <9f07d.3e683dd6.3ae147ac@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 04:41:16 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot station breaks on shows? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Vs9-WaKELi-gX7_AKK-nvhCoT4Ds11kCiG2kMUBRuTwZWpaOuoQy1nUIV_6HBCzX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are hard breaks and soft breaks. The shows are offerred with open commercial breaks for the individual stations to insert local ads. Because talkers who re-transmit sat feeds are typically automated, these breaks occur at specific times and are called hard breaks. When a local station does not have advertising, PSA, sel-promotions, etc. to fill these intervals, some use musical interludes. I'd record WLS for you, except the Big 89 no longers reaches this area. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Apr 21 07:00:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16907 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2011 14:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2011 14:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2011 14:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 14:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 14:00:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:00:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.253.13.68 From: "starship20012001" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo - Response From Local Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=8O-gw3AFbrw3_gHJA31T7GSTNSFRsB-N6M7eMHDVuFmf8KbAx4e60MpAbg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 while streaming is a nice option for out of the local market listeners it i= s not a subsitute for a good broadcast plant. There is little cost to provi= de AM STEREO OTA as well. They most likely have the exciter in their rack s= omewhere.=20 Besides bandwidth caps imposed by most carriers there is an issue of most c= ar radios do not have a line / aux in to get the audio from the mobile devi= ce into the car audio system. 3g coverage is also needed for decent streami= ng.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Tell then that its cheaper to listen over the air in AM STEREO. Jim Sm= ith > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: toddroberts2001@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:12 PM > Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo - Response From Local Station >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Hi all, > In the last month or so the local AM radio station where I live on > Hilton Head Island, SC - WHHW AM-1130 - changed to an adult-oriented ol= dies=20 > music=20 > format. >=20 > When the station first went on the air in the middle-to-late 80s=20 > they were running a rock music format using > Motorola C-Quam Stereo and promoting AM Stereo at the time. > That is where I bought my Sony SRF-A100, right at the station. >=20 > Sometime in the 90's they switched to a sports/talk format and the > rock music format went to a local FM station. >=20 > Now in 2011 they have come full circle and are back to a music format=20 > again. > I posted a message to them asking if they may run AM Stereo again. > Their response? > They suggested I listen to them online where they are streaming their=20 > program in Stereo! >=20 > Also they are now promoting using a "radio app" for your "mobile device= " > so you can listen to their online stream in stereo while driving down t= he=20 > road! >=20 > It sounds to me like using a "mobile device" to listen to online stream= ing=20 > of a=20 > radio station could change the whole way we think about local radio in = the=20 > future? >=20 > Sounds nifty if you don't mind paying $100+ a month for a "mobile devic= e"=20 > and=20 > mobile internet service but I would still rather listen to them in AM=20 > Stereo for nearly > free on something like a Sony SRF-42 or similar portable radio or a Del= co=20 > UX-1 in my car > or home! >=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Thu Apr 21 16:10:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19641 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2011 23:10:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2011 23:10:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2011 23:10:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 23:10:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2011 23:10:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:10:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.1.151 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=s48CVh-Sv7bmSQ7PorfRGNIHIy_p3pkiemY40oIt5KpRW2Ien08n X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hi, John. You write: >I think you'll need some brief ".wav" files to keep the QUAD=20 >encoding intact. Tab Patterson provided me the original WAV file today. This WAV file will be uploaded to the meduci web site soon. If you have trouble with the MP3, then use the WAV file. Thanks. Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci.com Creator of the AMX2000 and PRO1k AM Stereo Tuners From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 15:33:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20432 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2011 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2011 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2011 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2011 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2011 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2011 22:33:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:33:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.1.151 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=SCM_5WMHLezeCgJiU4OSKc_Wjo_F24C8yblAR7w_jABJhpC5cOLd X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hi Dan, Tab Patterson was gracious to provide this link today to the=20 KCJJ matrix Quadraphonic AM broadcast: http://www.vimeo.com/22728658?ab You can see visuals such as the KCJJ studio and transmitter, as well as Captain Steve and Robb! Good stuff.=20=20=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 22 16:35:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30769 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2011 23:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2011 23:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2011 23:35:30 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110422183524100769100010> for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:35:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DB210B8.1000608@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:35:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:35:24 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110422-1, 04/22/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=R51I02npGuB-EYhOdyjBFpNgH_dYqf5kOvh2urBUd5lN1yYq1kwp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/20/2011 6:55 PM, jeffdeck2001 wrote: > >BTW, Aren't you plan to add an headphone amplifier to the > >tuner? ??? > > Yes, at some point. Seems to me that should be fairly easy to do yourself. There are all sorts of low power audio amp chips available. Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 10:46:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16612 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2011 17:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2011 17:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2011 17:45:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2011 17:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2011 17:45:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:45:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Almost FREE AM Stereo Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mM0QMklSgLM5Rndj2Dd_h4LnZkuqUAMos-IHJtvYx7bUpSm-OvpbAZI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I've got an 80's vintage AM stereo FM stereo Chrysler car radio - you'll ne= ed the connectors (or solder onto the pins) your own speakers and 12VDC pow= er supply (or a 1985-1999 Chrysler vehicle with their grey and black connec= tors) and you'll have a working CQuam radio. This does NOT cover the expand= ed AM band. Anyhow, it yours just for the cost of postage to you (about $1= 0.95). Send me a private email if you're interested. Happy Easter etc... John =20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 23 12:07:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74698 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2011 19:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2011 19:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2011 19:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110423140721100320600010> for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:07:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DB32366.8000100@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:07:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:07:21 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110423-0, 04/23/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo - Response From Local Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=EX-hYt6T4Hc6X9R6ctoFBPEBQF-Rfr6Sd_5xoUb4Qlkk4rz6e-Hv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/21/2011 9:00 AM, starship20012001 wrote: > while streaming is a nice option for out of the local market listeners > it is not a subsitute for a good broadcast plant. There is little cost > to provide AM STEREO OTA as well. They most likely have the exciter in > their rack somewhere. No they don't. If they still have it at all it's been sitting on a shelf for a dozen years or so. I'm not sure that AM stereo generators are even sold anymore, though I've heard IBOC exciters can be reprogrammed to output CQUAM. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 19:27:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57807 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2011 02:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2011 02:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2011 02:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2011 02:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2011 02:27:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 02:27:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4DB32366.8000100@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.82 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo - Response From Local Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5nOrictDFJspg8FqeaARR6Om9KtxaQdCLS8qVD7uTcubehcnbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Delta Electronics (at http://www.deltaelectronics.com/) still offers profes= sional class C-Quam AM Stereo Exciters. Unfortunately, I don't have to get the money to buy one, yet. You can't ima= gine how much time and papers the local bank takes to approve a loan, here. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and (still) hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 4/21/2011 9:00 AM, starship20012001 wrote: > > while streaming is a nice option for out of the local market listeners > > it is not a subsitute for a good broadcast plant. There is little cost > > to provide AM STEREO OTA as well. They most likely have the exciter in > > their rack somewhere. >=20 > No they don't. If they still have it at all it's been sitting on a=20 > shelf for a dozen years or so. I'm not sure that AM stereo generators=20 > are even sold anymore, though I've heard IBOC exciters can be=20 > reprogrammed to output CQUAM. >=20 > Scott Todd > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Apr 23 19:41:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1648 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2011 02:41:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2011 02:41:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2011 02:41:09 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP191 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:41:08 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([174.16.207.63]) by BLU0-SMTP191.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:41:07 -0700 To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:41:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2011 02:41:07.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[10216340:01CC0229] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo - Response From Local Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=IqMSJKdE8dMDnArDJk1EARvKjVXd18v80z0Ux60IFODX X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i still have my delta ase 2 cquam and manual 400 plus shipping for whoever wants it From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 21:12:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33958 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2011 04:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2011 04:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2011 04:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2011 04:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2011 04:12:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 04:12:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Almost FREE AM Stereo Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=hmMeZfnMSIs_H93F3AT3iFfEwoN1tG1dktkpoiZlfpNQ9WE9zhdlkno X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Already requested and in a box on the way to a new home. JP --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > I've got an 80's vintage AM stereo FM stereo Chrysler car radio - you'll = need the connectors (or solder onto the pins) your own speakers and 12VDC p= ower supply (or a 1985-1999 Chrysler vehicle with their grey and black conn= ectors) and you'll have a working CQuam radio. This does NOT cover the expa= nded AM band. Anyhow, it yours just for the cost of postage to you (about = $10.95). > Send me a private email if you're interested. > Happy Easter etc... >=20 > John > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 10:28:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19148 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2011 17:28:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2011 17:28:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2011 17:28:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2011 17:28:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2011 17:28:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:28:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.75 From: "Jota" Subject: HD Radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=j4DJIekdTGcf3vetGtv7y8kUWne0D-ET3ZDuubVnUXoj79ipFA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I know it isn't a direct AM Stereo topic but... I wonder if the today HD AM stations still have the audio time delay issue = (up to 9 seconds delay). What's happen when there is a live interview? The speaker still has to wait= up to 9 seconds for the listener answer? ??? And I want to know if the analog AM stations, which use digital networks ar= ound the states, have similar problems. Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Apr 26 18:20:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7322 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2011 01:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2011 01:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f53.google.com) (209.85.214.53) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2011 01:20:45 -0000 X-Received: by bwg12 with SMTP id 12so1202497bwg.12 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:20:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.80.223 with SMTP id u31mr1336869bkk.121.1303867244142; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.49.151 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:20:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:20:44 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And now here's something we hope you'll really like! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=YvSPvE3ar6IsOtZTdgXB0Ifi4ZJ3qKg4viKSJ-fkkXpICliA X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Meduci, this is cool :-) On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 6:33 AM, jeffdeck2001 wrote= : > > > Hi Dan, > > Tab Patterson was gracious to provide this link today to the > KCJJ matrix Quadraphonic AM broadcast: > > http://www.vimeo.com/22728658?ab > > You can see visuals such as the KCJJ studio and transmitter, > as well as Captain Steve and Robb! Good stuff. > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Wed Apr 27 01:19:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68272 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2011 08:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2011 08:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.149) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2011 08:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110427081902.YFBX23624.nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:19:02 +0000 X-Received: from ian56817f068c9 ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110427081902.ZPHI10983.nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:19:02 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:18:55 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcwEN2iCj3/y4RzoQ8yKOsElxvPXpgAet+kg Message-Id: <20110427081902.ZPHI10983.nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> X-SIH-MSG-ID: rhAzEtH8TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU632J7Mwgcz21jlcNhKPP2gqY670X4/Qs+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} HD Radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Juan I wonder if the today HD AM stations still have the audio time delay issue (up to 9 seconds delay). G'day Juan Our digital radio in Oz (DAB+) is about 3 to 4 seconds behind real time. It's a problem when watching live sport. When I go to the MCG to watch my beloved Mighty Magpies I can't listen to live DAB+ commentary from AM stations 3AW, 3LO, and SEN because it's too confusing. Fortunately one FM station MMM also does live footy broadcasts so I switch to the FM band and listen to their commentary. Digital radios here don't have an AM band. Hey, what other game than Aussie Rules Football would be broadcast on four different stations? Only in Melbourne!! When I bought my wonderful Sangean digital "walkman" there was a note not to open the packaging if this few second delay was going to be a problem. Just return it to the store of purchase. But the sound is so good ... I'm happy about the delay. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 07:35:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43401 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2011 12:41:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2011 12:41:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2011 12:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2011 12:41:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2011 12:41:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:41:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: HD Radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=R0JXXDE8M64GkWCwBWZXWn_Vhot7Bx4aqoWl7XGAtigScP4ua8XgvQk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yes, big delay averages around 14 seconds on the TOH 'beeep' until I see it= on my atomic clock when on AM HD. For baseball games here, they turn off the AM-HD so that there's no delay. For 'live remote broadcasts' they run the analog without a matching HD dela= y so the talent can hear, but on my HD radio when it switches back and fort= h to and from analog there is about a 8 second delay before I hear the same= thing over again! Digital not good for 'real' happenings. Digital TV has the same problem, but most people don't take them to basebal= l game either. JOhn --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I know it isn't a direct AM Stereo topic but... >=20 > I wonder if the today HD AM stations still have the audio time delay issu= e (up to 9 seconds delay). >=20 > What's happen when there is a live interview? The speaker still has to wa= it up to 9 seconds for the listener answer? ??? >=20 > And I want to know if the analog AM stations, which use digital networks = around the states, have similar problems. >=20 > Thanks a lot for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Apr 27 14:05:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21559 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2011 21:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2011 21:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2011 21:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110427160448101295700010> for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:04:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DB884E7.8050303@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:04:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:04:48 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110427-2, 04/27/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=zk9A6v3igg7g0swPE9jw-kmemyyk-rxsEgU6zz2So1dBADuxef12 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/26/2011 12:28 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > > I know it isn't a direct AM Stereo topic but... > > I wonder if the today HD AM stations still have the audio time delay > issue (up to 9 seconds delay). > > What's happen when there is a live interview? The speaker still has to > wait up to 9 seconds for the listener answer? ??? > > And I want to know if the analog AM stations, which use digital networks > around the states, have similar problems. Yes it does have a delay. Live interviews (I assume you're talking a remote broadcast) have a real time analog return for the interviewer and the audience hears it several seconds behind. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 20:09:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89930 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2011 03:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2011 03:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2011 03:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2011 03:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2011 03:09:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 03:09:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4DB884E7.8050303@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.52.87 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=f1BnGue21VZr_yqvHYg4QWgqK6cTRMyEFb3eQ61t6yd65PCiiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 So bad, buddy!!! I guess the delay is due to the data compression process (at both the TX an= d RX parts). Would it be the same if we used a new band (like DAB+) and non-compressed d= igital audio? ??? BTW, the today analog AM stations (mono or stereo) working with digital aud= io processors wouldn't have the same time delay problems (I discovered the = wheel), because the audio processors doesn't add significant extra time; bu= t... What's happen when they use digital satellital links (for example, the= main production studio at New York City and some repeater at... let's say = Tucson, Arizona)? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Thu Apr 28 03:26:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64934 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2011 10:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2011 10:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.140) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2011 10:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110428102558.LUXF391.nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:25:58 +0000 X-Received: from ian56817f068c9 ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110428102557.JKHJ10390.nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:25:57 +0000 To: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:25:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 Thread-Index: AcwFUb98tjSIk9YcTU+kv1t4iBKB/AAOCFKw Message-Id: <20110428102557.JKHJ10390.nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> X-SIH-MSG-ID: ohA6FdT+TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU677NrMwgcz21jZcNxqPPGQqZqv0X4/Qs+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} HD Radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo Juan et al Digital radio (DAB+) in Australian mainland capital cities is wonderful. Even community stations are getting into the action frequently having perfect reception. What will happen in regional areas is a mystery to me. But with DAB+ there is a 3 to 4 second delay. This happens with digital TV terrestrial signals and even more so with pay-TV operators providing a so-called simulcast with free-to-air operators. Maybe this digital thingo will never be fully addressed. I now have five digital radios ... and countless analog radios. The analog radios are all in sync, no matter what the signal sounds like. The digital radios all seem to do their processing thing. Which means that some seem to be 0.25 seconds ahead of or behind some others. It's something that I guess I can get used to because the sound simply is so superior. Digital radios in Oz cost about 50% more than analog radios. But I think it's part of the manufacturers working to specifications. Just the same as it was when C-Quam was here (and the AMAX standard). Radios cost a lot more, but were technically better. The FM band on my current Sangean DPR34+ "walkman" is so superior to the FM band that was on so many of my Sony SRF-42 AM stereo walkmans. In a way Sony should have been ashamed about the FM-band on the SRF-42. But all of us here loved the AM band so much we didn't worry about it. I was initially disappointed when Sony didn't bother to join in when DAB+ was officially launched (very successfully) in Oz. But it took them less than a year to realise what they may have been missing. I now have a lovely little Sony DAB+ combo in the kitchen area - replacing the Chris Cuff AM stereo boombox on the fridge. The speakers are about eight feet apart (on top of the cupboards) and it all sounds magnificent to me. God bless AM stereo ... and at least to me AM stereo stations coming alive again ... in DAB+ digital stereo. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From awhichello@ieee.org Fri Apr 29 01:33:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: whichello@velocitynet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83159 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2011 08:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2011 08:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO m0.velocity.net.au) (203.17.154.25) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2011 08:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.4] (152.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au [122.49.202.152]) by m0.velocity.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC94860297 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:33:30 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4DBA77C6.102@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:33:10 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.17.154.25 X-eGroups-From: apw From: apw Reply-To: awhichello@ieee.org Subject: Re: HD Radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=xsVi2lPqSJWm9x0Yjn9gaxsE_sOehhsuPHrdQlqDTz0fJA X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 > God bless AM stereo ... and at least to me AM stereo stations coming > alive again ... in DAB+ digital stereo. A few months ago, when 2CA was transmitting in AM stereo, I could make easy comparisons of DAB+ and AM stereo. To be honest, their AM stereo *just* had the edge. The DAB+ 2CA (64kbps) sounded a bit "fake" and tinny on things like cymbals and it has too many phasey artifacts. So for me, DAB+ at the bitrates we are using Oz and good AM stereo are about equal. Good FM is MUCH better than the DAB+ simulcasts. Wish 2CA would fix their AM stereo exciter (again)... A. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 10:58:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4761 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2011 17:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2011 17:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2011 17:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2011 17:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2011 17:58:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:58:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4DBA77C6.102@velocitynet.com.au> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.53.152 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: HD Radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=UZaxRu-QkI52HT0tKZU7-rrNiAnibrghB8lDDThB7VsZUm5d3g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Thank you so much for your reports!!! Any digital audio compressed at 64 kbps will sound "SO BAD", despite of the= media we use to transport it. The minimal "decent" rate is 192 kbps, but it still has some artifacts. That is THE problem with the digital audio into the radio world: there is n= o enough room to put it on!!! The AM channels (MW and SW) have 10 kHz max bandwidth. FM channels have 150= kHz bandwidth. Both are too small to a full 192 kbps rate stream. So... if we want real good quality digital audio, we need, yes or yes, a ne= w band with more room, more than 250 kHz bandwidth per channel (or station)= . But... the other digital artifacts (time delay and full silence if the re= ception signal isn't enough good) are out of our today control. Of course, this new band should be above UHF bands and the real geographica= l reached area will be limited due to those bands propagation characteristi= cs. The question is: if we need more room and if we get a new band with (let me= dream) 1.5 MHz full bandwidth per channel... Why not to use full uncompres= sed digital multichannel audio? ??? For all the before reasons (in other words), our today AM band needs to con= tinue with... analog (stereo C-Quam or ISB) audio... for ever and ever and = ever. BTW, What's wrong with the analog audio, if our ears need analog signals? ?= ?? LEAVE THE DIGITAL AUDIO INSIDE THE RECORDING STUDIO, INSIDE THE PCs, INSIDE= THE MP3 DEVICES, ETC. LEAVE THE ANALOG AUDIO TO REIGN FOR EVER ON THE FREE= SKYWAVES WORLD!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, apw wrote: > > > God bless AM stereo ... and at least to me AM stereo stations coming > > alive again ... in DAB+ digital stereo. >=20 > A few months ago, when 2CA was transmitting in AM stereo, I could make=20 > easy comparisons of DAB+ and AM stereo. To be honest, their AM stereo=20 > *just* had the edge. The DAB+ 2CA (64kbps) sounded a bit "fake" and=20 > tinny on things like cymbals and it has too many phasey artifacts. So=20 > for me, DAB+ at the bitrates we are using Oz and good AM stereo are=20 > about equal. Good FM is MUCH better than the DAB+ simulcasts. >=20 > Wish 2CA would fix their AM stereo exciter (again)... >=20 > A. > From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Apr 29 13:34:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68556 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2011 20:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2011 20:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2011 20:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3TKY09v030177 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:34:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bc4.76eb32c0 (44226) for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:33:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.154]) by cia-dd08.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD084-d41a4dbb20b0a7; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:33:55 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-m147 (webmail-m147.sim.aol.com [149.174.9.30]) by smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD018-d41a4dbb20b0a7; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:33:52 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:33:51 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33636-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-m147.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.30) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:33:51 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDD4C3E2BA8248-119C-4F131@webmail-m147.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 From: Mjgrant Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=F9RSquxZaJ9izWANEZgwHyLiUrJBK7oyiix19Tikd27twZP8xkK7e_pJPpZFoGl2 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The AM channels (MW and SW) have 10 kHz max bandwidth. FM channels have 150= kHz bandwidth. Both are too small to a full 192 kbps rate stream. You are not correct here. Because phase shift keying is used, Nyquist does= n't apply. For example, a 3.5khz phone line line can support 56kbs.=20 Mike -----Original Message----- From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:58 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio today =20 Hi!!! Thank you so much for your reports!!! Any digital audio compressed at 64 kbps will sound "SO BAD", despite of the= media we use to transport it. The minimal "decent" rate is 192 kbps, but it still has some artifacts. That is THE problem with the digital audio into the radio world: there is n= o enough room to put it on!!! The AM channels (MW and SW) have 10 kHz max bandwidth. FM channels have 150= kHz bandwidth. Both are too small to a full 192 kbps rate stream. So... if we want real good quality digital audio, we need, yes or yes, a ne= w band with more room, more than 250 kHz bandwidth per channel (or station)= . But... the other digital artifacts (time delay and full silence if the re= ception signal isn't enough good) are out of our today control. Of course, this new band should be above UHF bands and the real geographica= l reached area will be limited due to those bands propagation characteristi= cs. The question is: if we need more room and if we get a new band with (let me= dream) 1.5 MHz full bandwidth per channel... Why not to use full uncompres= sed digital multichannel audio? ??? For all the before reasons (in other words), our today AM band needs to con= tinue with... analog (stereo C-Quam or ISB) audio... for ever and ever and = ever. BTW, What's wrong with the analog audio, if our ears need analog signals? ?= ?? LEAVE THE DIGITAL AUDIO INSIDE THE RECORDING STUDIO, INSIDE THE PCs, INSIDE= THE MP3 DEVICES, ETC. LEAVE THE ANALOG AUDIO TO REIGN FOR EVER ON THE FREE= SKYWAVES WORLD!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, apw wrote: > > > God bless AM stereo ... and at least to me AM stereo stations coming > > alive again ... in DAB+ digital stereo. >=20 > A few months ago, when 2CA was transmitting in AM stereo, I could make=20 > easy comparisons of DAB+ and AM stereo. To be honest, their AM stereo=20 > *just* had the edge. The DAB+ 2CA (64kbps) sounded a bit "fake" and=20 > tinny on things like cymbals and it has too many phasey artifacts. So=20 > for me, DAB+ at the bitrates we are using Oz and good AM stereo are=20 > about equal. Good FM is MUCH better than the DAB+ simulcasts. >=20 > Wish 2CA would fix their AM stereo exciter (again)... >=20 > A. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 16:12:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39580 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2011 22:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2011 22:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2011 22:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2011 22:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2011 22:55:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:55:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CDD4C3E2BA8248-119C-4F131@webmail-m147.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.53.152 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hHuNxmy7nPDRaFt5CBsa3bTTdMa6ERBm8N8L91lPVzwhNrnW1w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mjgrant wrote: > >=20 > You are not correct here. Because phase shift keying is used, Nyquist do= esn't apply. For example, a 3.5khz phone line line can support 56kbs.=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 Is it a 56 kbps audio digital stream a High Fidelity level audio? Can you compare my old Pioneer QX-949 analog audio receiver, playing a PCM = (not compressed) digital audio wave from my PC, with an MP3 player working = at 56 kbps? ??? I'm not a college engineer or something close. I'm not an expert about the = telephone lines world. But I know there is no theorically audio bandwidth l= imit to a cable (and the telephone line is... a cable). The actual boundaries are related to the transformer, filter, mike and spea= ker used inside the telephone set and the telephone company audio filters. = But the physical cable doesn't have a limit itself. This is the Internet Broadband Connection magic: the digital stream goes in= side the cable but far beyond (separate of) the base audio bandwidth. So... I guess, the today digital codecs can use that extra spectrum to get = 56, 64, 128, 192 or more kbps streams, without mayor limitations (is all in= side the cable). But it isn't the same "on the air", where you have strict, rigorous bandwid= th boundaries (and all an army of noise and propagation problems against yo= ur signal). Any kind of modulation (AM, PM or FM) has... SideBands (more than we want). 64 kbps needs, at least, 7.5 kHz of total bandwidth, to use full multi-Quam= modulation, with all the necessary subcarriers constellation (LSB+Carrier+= USB=3DTotal bandwidth). According to Wikipedia: "DAB with 192 kbps codec requires: (1.536 MHz * 192 kbps) / 1136 kbps =3D 0.26 MHz per audio programme." This paragraph is about FM with DAB. But the FM system has the same sideban= ds as the PM system, so we can use the same parameters (channel bandwidth) = for both. OK, OK. We aren't use FM. It is AM. So... let's reduce the equation... let'= s say... 20 times. Now we need "only" 13 kHz (0.13 MHz) bandwidth, right? How could you put 13 kHz into a 10 kHz bandwidth channel (the typical AM ch= annel)? ??? Yes, I know FCC allows up to 15 kHz to the IBOC channels, today. But it is = a ridiculous way to work around this problem. If they allow 15 kHz to IBOC today, Why not to allow the same to any analog= audio AM station? ??? Maybe, digital audio (with appropiate codecs) is working so fine into a bro= ad channel, like the typical FM. But, I can't see something like that in AM= . At last, the main point here is... Is it ABSOLUTELY necessary to use digita= l audio in AM bands? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Apr 30 17:09:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34999 invoked from network); 1 May 2011 00:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2011 00:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2011 00:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p41090W8017467 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:09:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.de0.138fb46f (43901) for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:08:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d21.mail.aol.com (magic-d21.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.137]) by cia-dc06.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC066-ab7d4dbca492247; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:08:50 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:08:50 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5000 X-AOL-IP: 63.3.10.129 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zgZLLaPghDsRo0xPmb_Nj8h9wfa07pRiixzUC0WSy3xYperwm74X9G58bRfekSnM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/29/2011 6:12:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: Is it a 56 kbps audio digital stream a High Fidelity level audio? Can you compare my old Pioneer QX-949 analog audio receiver, playing a PCM (not compressed) digital audio wave from my PC, with an MP3 player working at 56 kbps? ??? It is what it says it is, a 56,000 bit per second stream. PCM is a form of analog, not purely digital. This is because while in the amplitude domain, the signal is discrete (0 or 1), it is continuous in terms of duration. Integrating the PCM signal yields back a continuous analog output. Yes, there is indeed a bandwidth to a cable. Long cables form complex frequency sensitive networks. Linear encoding, such as PCM or straight binary encoding is very inefficient for audio in terms of bits required for a given bandwidth and signal to noise level. True digital audio is usually encoded using a delta-sigma approach. MP3 is a compression algorithm which allows what would otherwise be huge amounts of digital data to be reduced to useable size files by taking advantage of the characteristics of most audio content and the perceptional shortcomings of the human ear. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sat Apr 30 22:38:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43490 invoked from network); 1 May 2011 05:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2011 05:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2011 05:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2011 05:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2011 05:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2011 05:38:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 05:38:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.42 From: "nicholas" Subject: Oversensitive Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=bp02TLCDePcriO966nJTgGnVv55PdtboekxoI2ULOKvtDR1dVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I recently got a Delco UX-1 which seems to be far too sensitive on AM and o= verloads easily in some disturbing ways including a squeal and severe disto= rtion when the AM stereo mode is enabled. Sometimes I can get it to coopera= te but said situations are getting more and more rare. Does anyone know how= I can modify the radio either internally or externally to drop its sensiti= vity and prevent overloading? From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun May 01 08:08:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67731 invoked from network); 1 May 2011 15:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2011 15:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2011 15:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p41F80Th004241 for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 11:08:00 -0400 X-Received: from core-mga002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.217]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AF6CEE000082 for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 11:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36fc3.34d4bb9a.3aeed150@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 11:08:00 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461339424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494dbd77507354 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oversensitive Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=S0K8_s4zZjNPjzYCPU1HbSQFU-KoGdQUTlOQFIZlxlLOgWe6UWpL X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 5/1/2011 1:38:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: I recently got a Delco UX-1 which seems to be far too sensitive on AM and overloads easily in some disturbing ways including a squeal and severe distortion when the AM stereo mode is enabled. Sometimes I can get it to cooperate but said situations are getting more and more rare. Does anyone know how I can modify the radio either internally or externally to drop its sensitivity and prevent overloading? First question would be, what kind of antenna hook-up are you using with the radio? The antenna input on these seems to be very high impedance. It is designed to use a short whip antenna usually less than 3 ft long connected to the radio through a short length of low-capacitance coax. The radio should be connected to a good ground. Otherwise it could be a defective radio. I have several Delco UX-1's and I have not run into this problem. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From bratina501@msn.com Sun May 01 13:23:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87305 invoked from network); 1 May 2011 20:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2011 20:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2011 20:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2011 20:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2011 20:23:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 20:23:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <36fc3.34d4bb9a.3aeed150@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.42 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oversensitive Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=dqoDo-JHOxJzAHP3UIa9tK_J0IjkE1st4OhXW85GNxa46hKr8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: >=20=20 > First question would be, what kind of antenna hook-up are you using with = =20 > the radio? The antenna input on these seems to be very high impedance. It= is=20=20 > designed to use a short whip antenna usually less than 3 ft long connect= ed=20 > to the radio through a short length of low-capacitance coax. The radio=20 > should be connected to a good ground. > Otherwise it could be a defective radio. I have several Delco UX-1's and= I=20 > have not run into this problem. >=20=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > At this point a 1,300 foot wire but I certainly see that I will never be ab= le to get its impedance matched correctly to the radio. Recently I picked u= p a very short whip and will give that a try just in case. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun May 01 15:10:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49825 invoked from network); 1 May 2011 22:10:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2011 22:10:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2011 22:10:21 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p41MAKGW020614 for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 18:10:20 -0400 X-Received: from core-mga002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.217]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2460DE000081 for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 18:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b0b8.46b50cbc.3aef344b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:10:20 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420482016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb4dbdda4c31e6 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Oversensitive Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=MJy9KOcpR9s8KRFf37mNYk67P6MI4Y2dLBRPUtBBMExTrPLwmTiq X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 5/1/2011 4:23:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: At this point a 1,300 foot wire but I certainly see that I will never be able to get its impedance matched correctly to the radio. Recently I picked up a very short whip and will give that a try just in case. Wow! A 1300 foot wire is definitely overkill for an AM car radio that is designed to work from a short whip antenna no longer than 3 ft. A 5 or 6 ft wire should be more than enough. There are 2 ways to reduce the sensitivity of a car radio like the Delco UX-1 when used with an oversize longwire antenna. One way is to put a very small value capacitor like a 5pF mica in series with the longwire to the ant input on the car radio. Also you could make your own very low capacitance gimmick capacitor by simply twisting a few turns of insulated wire around the end of the longwire and connecting that to the antenna input of the UX-1. Make sure there is no actual connection between the 2 wires. Another way is to use a high-value resistor in series with the longwire. Try a 50K or 100K resistor to start and see what effect it has. A 100K carbon potentiometer could be useful as you can adjust the resistance. Best to use a carbon resistor or pot and not the wirewound types. Both of these methods should help reduce or eliminate possible overload from an oversize longwire antenna. Good luck. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From bratina501@msn.com Sun May 01 17:11:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56405 invoked from network); 2 May 2011 00:11:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2011 00:11:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2011 00:11:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2011 00:11:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2011 00:11:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 00:11:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2b0b8.46b50cbc.3aef344b@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.42 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: Oversensitive Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=P4r5u2hhOI7bSH2GA3rSYwC6lstsxvAaIL-erHeE55hDEFG4tQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > Wow! A 1300 foot wire is definitely overkill for an AM car radio that is = =20 > designed to work > from a short whip antenna no longer than 3 ft. A 5 or 6 ft wire should be= =20=20 > more than enough. >=20=20 > There are 2 ways to reduce the sensitivity of a car radio like the Delco = =20 > UX-1 when used with an > oversize longwire antenna. One way is to put a very small value capacitor= =20=20 > like a 5pF mica in series > with the longwire to the ant input on the car radio. Also you could make= =20 > your own very low capacitance gimmick capacitor by simply twisting a fe= w=20 > turns of insulated wire around the end of the longwire and connecting th= at to=20 > the antenna input of the UX-1. Make sure there is no actual connection=20 > between the 2 wires. >=20=20 > Another way is to use a high-value resistor in series with the longwire. = =20 > Try a 50K or 100K resistor > to start and see what effect it has. A 100K carbon potentiometer could be= =20=20 > useful as you can adjust > the resistance. Best to use a carbon resistor or pot and not the wirewoun= d=20=20 > types. >=20=20 > Both of these methods should help reduce or eliminate possible overload = =20 > from an oversize longwire > antenna. Good luck. >=20=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > No joke there, that is my primary antenna for everything below 1.8 MHz I ha= ve a 1-10 pF trimmer capacitor kicking around which I will try and also a w= hole bunch of resistors some of which are close to 100 kohms in value. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun May 01 19:34:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27163 invoked from network); 2 May 2011 02:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2011 02:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2011 02:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2011 02:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2011 02:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2011 02:34:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 02:34:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Oversensitive Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=DDRtQGAy49kUa53ykeJzzqI-pCds1zbQ12UYMXiLTnJcrSW90hnyFJA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Very unusual. I've had a UX-1 in my car, and two different ones at home dur= ing the past 25 years, and never had that issue. What is your power supply?= My UX-1 would 'freak-out' only on bass peaks and the power supply couldn't= supply enough power and it would go into oscillation. A larger 13.8V power= supply solved that issue. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas" wrote: > > I recently got a Delco UX-1 which seems to be far too sensitive on AM and= overloads easily in some disturbing ways including a squeal and severe dis= tortion when the AM stereo mode is enabled. Sometimes I can get it to coope= rate but said situations are getting more and more rare. Does anyone know h= ow I can modify the radio either internally or externally to drop its sensi= tivity and prevent overloading? > From bratina501@msn.com Sun May 01 21:31:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12169 invoked from network); 2 May 2011 04:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2011 04:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2011 04:28:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2011 04:28:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2011 04:28:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 04:28:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.42 From: "nicholas" Subject: Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=GVC77BLs8Ho3-wmvp789YTCw8jA8qwA6sBdwWXVFtaXx1wZ9Bw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 After doing making the changes to the antenna system which were adding a lo= w capacity ceramic disc capacitor and a 50 kohm linear trimmer pot salvaged= from a junk CB radio the receiver is happy with my 1,300 foot wire antenna= . Earlier on this evening I actually got stereo from CJRJ 1200 Vancouver BC= using the setup and trying for other stations since these Delcos seem to l= ock onto stereo signals fairly easily compared to many. After using an Accu= rian all this time I had forgotten how good these AM stereo car radios actu= ally are. Thanks for the help in getting this radio settled down with its n= ew antenna setup. From bratina501@msn.com Sun May 01 21:55:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71527 invoked from network); 2 May 2011 04:55:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2011 04:55:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2011 04:55:41 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2011 04:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2011 04:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2011 04:55:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 04:55:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.42 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: Oversensitive Delco UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=dsIGr6esBKKmPQ1_C5Ea22CDkK4Fl-G58ioqeSVHQ0G05IH2ww X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Very unusual. I've had a UX-1 in my car, and two different ones at home d= uring the past 25 years, and never had that issue. What is your power suppl= y? My UX-1 would 'freak-out' only on bass peaks and the power supply couldn= 't supply enough power and it would go into oscillation. A larger 13.8V pow= er supply solved that issue. >=20 Incidentally I am in another Toledo (no NOT spain) so quite a coincidence. = Its running off of a 15 amp power supply right now I have a bigger one rate= d at 25 amps but its down right now due to bad filter capacitors. Mine seem= s to freak out when my low power AM stereo transmitter is being run but onl= y when tuned to 1500 KHz which is what it operates on. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon May 02 08:33:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29706 invoked from network); 2 May 2011 15:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2011 15:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2011 15:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p42FXHbp020821 for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 11:33:17 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.10]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1BE91E000088 for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 11:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <32186.45767097.3af028b7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:33:11 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:412824960:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74dbecebd589b X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=tGlWUmGHh69RuffOrj9xKCRAznCtQyhGJf7JiM5NtcwvK9PmY8XI X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 5/2/2011 12:31:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: After doing making the changes to the antenna system which were adding a low capacity ceramic disc capacitor and a 50 kohm linear trimmer pot salvaged from a junk CB radio the receiver is happy with my 1,300 foot wire antenna. Earlier on this evening I actually got stereo from CJRJ 1200 Vancouver BC using the setup and trying for other stations since these Delcos seem to lock onto stereo signals fairly easily compared to many. After using an Accurian all this time I had forgotten how good these AM stereo car radios actually are. Thanks for the help in getting this radio settled down with its new antenna setup. Very glad to hear the Delco UX-1 is working better with the outside longwire antenna by using an attenuator at the antenna input. It is a very sensitive radio and can overload easily with too long an antenna. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From white.cameron55@yahoo.com Mon May 02 22:16:12 2011 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=34105;u=;t=1306443960;m=142761047;s=3780647824; From bratina501@msn.com Tue May 03 20:47:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14433 invoked from network); 4 May 2011 03:47:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2011 03:47:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2011 03:47:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2011 03:47:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2011 03:47:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 03:47:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <32186.45767097.3af028b7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.42 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=iyVIIhyQ5tTsL4KDyj-J9kQGQjwGy-syiuHIWB4reDnxgir7FQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > new antenna setup. >=20=20 > Very glad to hear the Delco UX-1 is working better with the outside=20=20 > longwire antenna by using an attenuator > at the antenna input. It is a very sensitive radio and can overload easil= y=20=20 > with too long an antenna. > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > It actually seems intermittent sometimes it works and sometimes it does not= . I have been looking around the board for the AM antenna trimmer control b= ut can't seem to find it so that I can adjust the radio to its new antenna. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue May 03 23:20:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11901 invoked from network); 4 May 2011 06:20:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2011 06:20:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f171.google.com) (209.85.161.171) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2011 06:20:12 -0000 X-Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22so393862gxk.2 for ; Tue, 03 May 2011 23:20:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.191.168 with SMTP id g28mr768431yhn.517.1304490012160; Tue, 03 May 2011 23:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c35sm809188anp.33.2011.05.03.23.20.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 May 2011 23:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 02:20:08 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <884A001E-3817-4E54-B9F9-60931573EC8A@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.171 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=mpJAKSCiJCM1OR8xrx-wvGTzXp1ZSiszPM5uCH_tTeW9XKTLWja3Fl6lRl_CFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On May 3, 2011, at 11:47 PM, nicholas wrote: > It actually seems intermittent sometimes it works and sometimes it does n= ot. All of these Delco 2000 Series Radios (Such as the UX-1) are known for bad = solder connections on the boards. The cure is to remove any conformal coati= ng then re-solder every connection on each board in the radio. Murphey's ru= les of radio repair do apply and the problem is ALWAYS the one connection y= ou missed, so be careful and complete. > I have been looking around the board for the AM antenna trimmer control b= ut can't seem to find it so that I can adjust the radio to its new antenna. There ain't one. I used to be a tech in a Delco Radio Service Center before I got into Broad= cast. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From bratina501@msn.com Wed May 04 01:00:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74982 invoked from network); 4 May 2011 08:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2011 08:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2011 08:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2011 08:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2011 08:00:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 08:00:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <884A001E-3817-4E54-B9F9-60931573EC8A@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.53.42 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=7q27vqV01aPP3iVTNnqOyv01qmAe6l-zKPofhq29o9yEPGJGCA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > All of these Delco 2000 Series Radios (Such as the UX-1) are known for ba= d solder connections on the boards. The cure is to remove any conformal coa= ting then re-solder every connection on each board in the radio. Murphey's = rules of radio repair do apply and the problem is ALWAYS the one connection= you missed, so be careful and complete. >=20 >=20 > There ain't one. >=20 > I used to be a tech in a Delco Radio Service Center before I got into Bro= adcast. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ I was looking at the service manual for the Delco 2000 series receiver and = not the UX-1 so my mistake. I discovered how to adjust the receiver for the= antenna even without the service manual and got it set in the correct way = or so it seems. Thanks for the tip off about bad solder joints on the board= I will have to watch out for those then since they could be coming to bit = me in the rear soon seeing as the radio is 20 years old (data sticker says = made on August 21st 1990) but I suppose it will be fine for the time being.= The intermittent I suspect is due to the antenna connector so that will mo= st likely be the first to experience the soldering iron for the first time = in two decades. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 04 05:42:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25503 invoked from network); 4 May 2011 12:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2011 12:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2011 12:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2011 12:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2011 12:42:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 12:42:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TJV_-ktJbXFIAhUCR6SgO3WK1dhVxv-_gqgKdN5RgkIuPn8GMb8JnSE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'll take a 21-year-old radio over a radio built in 2011 in a heartbeat, as= the 'non-lead' solder is crap - if your radio - aka HD radio - generates a= ny heat, these non-leaded solder joints go bad and so does your radio. My H= D radio is toasted already (literally, it ran about 97 degrees F) and the s= older joints (or the chips) didn't survive the heat, so a dead car tuner ad= apter in just two years. Meanwhile, my 1989 UX-1 still works (except for cassette belts). By the way Kevin, what's a good source for the cassette deck belts in the U= X-1 radio? John Weird how lead could be a good thing - lead paint stayed on your garage for= 20 years, where latex peels off in 3-5 years; lead in gasoline ran those m= uscle cars in the late 60's, and lead in solder provided for a strong mecha= nical bond. The new lead-free solder fumes are worse than a lung-full of 60= /40 lead solder.=20=20 Working with lead solder for the past 35 years hasn't affected me at all, h= asn't affected me at all,hasn't affected me at all,hasn't affected me at al= l,hasn't affected me at all, > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: >=20 > > All of these Delco 2000 Series Radios (Such as the UX-1) are known for = bad solder connections on the boards.=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed May 04 08:15:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4591 invoked from network); 4 May 2011 15:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2011 15:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.213.173) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2011 15:15:13 -0000 X-Received: by yxk8 with SMTP id 8so501271yxk.4 for ; Wed, 04 May 2011 08:15:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.173.98 with SMTP id u62mr1336812yhl.431.1304522113160; Wed, 04 May 2011 08:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h74sm548061yhm.11.2011.05.04.08.15.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 May 2011 08:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 11:15:10 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1FFA30E1-3467-4065-9F8D-BAB03DD74616@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.173 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Lc5N6gWp3HF-3r9MPQuG7fzC2tRwpNqk5UoItbJbO7IskLLCgnYtRU7te_AQPA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On May 4, 2011, at 8:42 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > By the way Kevin, what's a good source for the cassette deck belts in the= UX-1 radio? The OEM Supplier was Blaupunkt, but Panasonic was an Alternate OEM Supplier= . We got the parts right from GM, and they came in a Delco Box. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed May 04 09:32:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21914 invoked from network); 4 May 2011 16:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2011 16:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2011 16:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p44GWTtx014491 for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 12:32:29 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.10]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D1CB1E000095 for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 12:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20574.4bccc527.3af2d99c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 12:32:28 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:463086752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29084dc17f9c4b70 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=YF8xkf_q5LHdQnP0dRQlYjkN7GAU_rX_ctO4amI_1uHNYcKAvubp X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 5/4/2011 2:20:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: All of these Delco 2000 Series Radios (Such as the UX-1) are known for bad solder connections on the boards. The cure is to remove any conformal coating then re-solder every connection on each board in the radio. Murphey's rules of radio repair do apply and the problem is ALWAYS the one connection you missed, so be careful and complete. I see looking under the top cover at the tuner circuit board on a 1995 UX-1 there seem to be a lot of surface mount components including a lot of chip capacitors. I was surprised they were using these back in the mid 1990s in a car radio but I guess SMT components have been around for quite a while. I am just starting to work with them in the past year. I was thinking it would be nice to have a small mini stereo jack on a UX-1 so I can play a line-level MP3 player through the UX-1 amp and also have a switch so I can run the line-level tuner output to an external amp or PC sound card or MP3 recorder through the jack for external recording. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed May 04 10:07:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27440 invoked from network); 4 May 2011 17:07:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2011 17:07:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f172.google.com) (209.85.161.172) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2011 17:07:35 -0000 X-Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so565092gxk.31 for ; Wed, 04 May 2011 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.207.7 with SMTP id e7mr1305517ybg.35.1304528854993; Wed, 04 May 2011 10:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w19sm2211806ybe.10.2011.05.04.10.07.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 May 2011 10:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) In-Reply-To: <20574.4bccc527.3af2d99c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 13:07:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <13018276-57CD-470A-9BDE-B09E7E21B561@gmail.com> References: <20574.4bccc527.3af2d99c@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.172 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=y0hK3fdGqpZKVNBFKWuu7erk6DujbXZdAVJ0GjFHGJ0f327BQrpvriaqD2XDtA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On May 4, 2011, at 12:32 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > I see looking under the top cover at the tuner circuit board on a 1995 UX= -1=20 > there seem to be a lot > of surface mount components including a lot of chip capacitors. I was = =20 > surprised they were using these > back in the mid 1990s in a car radio but I guess SMT components have been= =20=20 > around for quite a while. Yes, Delco started using them in 1982, then Ford came along in 1985. Chrysl= er was much later, I think they started using SMDs around 1995 or so? I thi= nk Panasonic was the first Car Stereo company to use Surface Mount Devices = in 1980. The BIG problem was service techs did not know how to deal with SM= Ds and would ruin them. You HAVE to use Silver Content Solder. Normal 60/40= will leach the "Goody" right out of the SMDs. LOL Both Ford and Delco issu= ed Technical Service Bulletins about this. > I was thinking it would be nice to have a small mini stereo jack on a UX= -1=20 > so I can play a line-level MP3 player through the UX-1 amp The UX-1 does have a pretty good Audio Section. > and also have a=20 > switch so I can run the line-level tuner output to an external amp or PC = =20 > sound card or MP3 recorder through the jack for external recording. That is a pretty common Mod. You can pick up the audio at the input of the = Output Chips and run Line Level outputs from there. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From white.cameron55@yahoo.com Wed May 04 22:01:01 2011 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=34113;u=;t=1306443903;m=715941456;s=1884396580; From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 05 06:11:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48564 invoked from network); 5 May 2011 13:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2011 13:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2011 13:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2011 13:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2011 13:11:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 13:11:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <13018276-57CD-470A-9BDE-B09E7E21B561@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=qHV2fp4Ou4xBrfBqeug09uReRSa_DFPNDpCJKeGfJ-jg-N79B4RSdaw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is there a good spot AFTER the AM/FM output, but before the tone controls f= or the AMP on the UX-1? ...MP3 recorder through the jack for external recording. That is a pretty common Mod. You can pick up the audio at the input of the = Output Chips and run Line Level outputs from there.... Can you still order a 'belt kit' from Delco/GM, or is that available from M= CM Electronics, etc? From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri May 06 02:09:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16758 invoked from network); 6 May 2011 09:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2011 09:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.208) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2011 09:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 09:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.115] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 09:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 09:09:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 253000.52852.bm@omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 57148 invoked from network); 6 May 2011 09:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.18.48.216 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 May 2011 02:09:33 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: I4E2c5kVM1mzpmDvEvxh9M6PT6tM9qkXR1lKjVeARNNZF2i WHTIv0BOD00TCUa4F6gaQe4gHLYSZ4.RVY_r9wIYWdrFwucCJj80K3tsyn6S mMtKvPkVne8FEplSxO26yQjKhymFGJ6FDWldtCkIExDCbiis.2dPTvaAEXl7 jN3dMLQNAB8m4GMJcGmXWYM.setepZHuaCB3ICGJFVS6rWZfISLBNDKWTXC5 bscvnO2Ns2a3RsKlBITTokYTGeuOEaNHd3B3Ef35Y0k5C1sQV7ZK.tEY1M07 h0PMRv2Z4m0CYhOW3NF99DPXjAe4JnvUQP1X7D9kiXTHwC_tuFETgjKMv06g 38Aehzb1.EmGkiw_iYtaQE6W6AW_mNw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 02:09:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.208 From: "jim smith" Subject: Auvio RS cat #31-134 HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Y8yk5HbbYo3AaNt3PIRyynNDjPppSSx3iuymZsvhULUn_Kziq9dq8l8dyggW_1asnOYNVCmW X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Well I am going to buy a Auvio AM/FM HD Radio from Radio Shack. Its only $39. I will give you guys a C-QuAM statis soon on it. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 06 07:05:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53178 invoked from network); 6 May 2011 14:05:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2011 14:05:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2011 14:05:35 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110506090522102922000011> for ; Fri, 06 May 2011 09:05:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DC4001C.6030806@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 09:05:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 09:05:22 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <884A001E-3817-4E54-B9F9-60931573EC8A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <884A001E-3817-4E54-B9F9-60931573EC8A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110506-0, 05/06/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Q5aWVw1hQxGJ9PsGQt6FmHRWP8I0Js3ZHVe0XqZBwbqLbWNESwuh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/4/2011 1:20 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On May 3, 2011, at 11:47 PM, nicholas wrote: > > > It actually seems intermittent sometimes it works and sometimes it > does not. > > All of these Delco 2000 Series Radios (Such as the UX-1) are known for > bad solder connections on the boards. The cure is to remove any > conformal coating then re-solder every connection on each board in the > radio. Murphey's rules of radio repair do apply and the problem is > ALWAYS the one connection you missed, so be careful and complete. > I wonder if that's the same thing with a lot of the Chrysler premium radios? Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 06 07:11:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47243 invoked from network); 6 May 2011 14:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2011 14:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2011 14:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110506091103100658900011> for ; Fri, 06 May 2011 09:11:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DC40173.2090506@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 09:10:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 09:11:03 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1FFA30E1-3467-4065-9F8D-BAB03DD74616@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1FFA30E1-3467-4065-9F8D-BAB03DD74616@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110506-0, 05/06/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=i5-61KnHft2k9zjRjYfqKVV_lO-2tQoND5qrK8lbOYu9DB5dBg68 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/4/2011 10:15 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On May 4, 2011, at 8:42 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > > > By the way Kevin, what's a good source for the cassette deck belts in > the UX-1 radio? > > The OEM Supplier was Blaupunkt, but Panasonic was an Alternate OEM > Supplier. We got the parts right from GM, and they came in a Delco Box. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD Don't count on them having any. Google is your friend, and stuff like this pops up on ebay from time to time. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri May 06 08:51:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91609 invoked from network); 6 May 2011 15:50:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2011 15:50:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f181.google.com) (209.85.213.181) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2011 15:50:56 -0000 X-Received: by yxm8 with SMTP id 8so1595575yxm.40 for ; Fri, 06 May 2011 08:50:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.161.232 with SMTP id w68mr5168221yhk.24.1304697056641; Fri, 06 May 2011 08:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 29sm1516868yhl.34.2011.05.06.08.50.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 May 2011 08:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) In-Reply-To: <4DC40173.2090506@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:50:53 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1FFA30E1-3467-4065-9F8D-BAB03DD74616@gmail.com> <4DC40173.2090506@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.181 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=DQbpjWC6_IKgX_-HGiTYFvaIWbrZOgml4ctofswAGl6PDzeRR4tjJOLxjOvMzw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On May 6, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Scott Todd wrote: > Don't count on them having any Yea, for the most part, "out of Warranty" means "Out of Parts"! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri May 06 08:55:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33323 invoked from network); 6 May 2011 15:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2011 15:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f48.google.com) (74.125.83.48) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2011 15:55:21 -0000 X-Received: by gwj22 with SMTP id 22so1641131gwj.21 for ; Fri, 06 May 2011 08:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.43.8 with SMTP id v8mr3382981ybj.296.1304697320332; Fri, 06 May 2011 08:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c3sm1274231ybn.9.2011.05.06.08.55.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 May 2011 08:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) In-Reply-To: <4DC4001C.6030806@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:55:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <734AC825-D069-4428-93E0-E40D65D1C302@gmail.com> References: <884A001E-3817-4E54-B9F9-60931573EC8A@gmail.com> <4DC4001C.6030806@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.48 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=4owjUWQbjlGNC_Cc31NI39vsJpxbVV06MJNw_LLbINU4Tor3i1JKFosMzykooQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On May 6, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Scott Todd wrote: > I wonder if that's the same thing with a lot of the Chrysler premium radi= os? Yes, I gotta take the JoyStick radio out of my Wife's '90 Caravan and re-so= lder it.=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 06 17:00:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40892 invoked from network); 7 May 2011 00:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2011 00:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2011 00:00:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2011 00:00:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2011 00:00:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 00:00:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <734AC825-D069-4428-93E0-E40D65D1C302@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.251 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco UX-1 follow up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2Mc9DYSUQGmtuCoGhHsh-G4oSma0KkpCwxdqerOFX5Z-rVv7lQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Such a lucky guys you are buddy!!! Here (Chile, South America), nothing of this device (or any similar). The very few Chrysler(s) here don't have any decent AM radio (they are sold= with a very good CD/MP3 device, with a bad FM Stereo tuner and not AM). There is no any good car AM radio on the models we can buy here. Such bad luck to us!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On May 6, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 > > I wonder if that's the same thing with a lot of the Chrysler premium ra= dios? >=20 > Yes, I gotta take the JoyStick radio out of my Wife's '90 Caravan and re-= solder it.=20 >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat May 07 22:49:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98444 invoked from network); 8 May 2011 05:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2011 05:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.110) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2011 05:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2011 05:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.72] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2011 05:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2011 05:48:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 268849.58022.bm@omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 19226 invoked from network); 8 May 2011 05:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@68.72.216.183 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 May 2011 22:48:53 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: 7JoXjyMVM1ne8xHpDXdRXjcS1CxEndzLB52wmVtHq04HIuJ x57V3klonwYTtgO1yGZKnWaQD7R2nvA_S5jqnbvBwtTLK4nFHWB8fssBWBfq o87HpVHpNGX_qUKIPFiYonn1gsWsfwvbghtbrYTt81rriRPOcKosuW1pFOiP Xzd2YpsX..7uxe9E7TA8NIjML_dMwzt2IlludsvII0oUc7tB.lKmf_z0v2od 0dWT_IFaCBu3j0z9xUTRPNy.4Z8QHvnHSIi7odqDF74DzdyMrAR3wD89bopu CVqUiQfDMjf4a2sATuZDJ4ztUeM1_.x.pR8a9XEs1_dYlt7m_Zt8407Z3Vjp b6xsTE9pI_YStwcIcIJusPZR_vc7HZnVBKRlu.tYgO_x2EIdK8HZhowuTHDf Knl7qgsOY_bsrz37LRyp9g3PPpMZwnUYlkrIsrdsiKmoE.2r11jVLJVqm5W5 enaakozb8Fbj9FwsgJ5F27dgopoQdd772pjJ_YbPyAPyQ5K5s2mNfXJs0fQj .xbRgYgojQyxCAu6Wv.0VRCCrDfutfXVCrx55YxZYbDnuyt.AO2fP5OnEiTe CbISZAFtb0t6fuuHhAXHHD4OyTlYvxHJDstXi439CLCniNPYHyBxAcAnlBMk xlocOYve8pGOM5DV8Yvx.a3ccvpNs7ro.iFqQg4j9QNF1l4N.8APknbBznc. Q9eYC0UGTjTNoCTgOLT_9jZ_vY.GuO0S_z4Z6sdw09xc3O1DIgsosQIKsv2u F30ujDdA05C0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <11478B855D824D28A979C3D9EF937362@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 22:48:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.110 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Auvio RS cat #31-134 HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=aONt8Wz0VcpoG-kWK0ltFf9lmy0ayFN457N19lU9LexiVdkNOm6BKCcnUcbbnJ5aiD6EFpQN X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Well i bot the Auvio AM/FM HD tuner. Its a AM mono AM HD. FM HD sounds good but the AM HD sounds tinny and the tuner dose not have very good sencitivaty. I still like AM STEREO much better. I could get much more AM STEREO stations than AM HD.Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: {AMSF} Auvio RS cat #31-134 HD radio Hi Gang Well I am going to buy a Auvio AM/FM HD Radio from Radio Shack. Its only $39. I will give you guys a C-QuAM statis soon on it. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun May 08 10:42:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10899 invoked from network); 8 May 2011 17:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2011 17:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.132) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2011 17:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2011 17:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.72] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2011 17:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2011 17:41:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 2572.36394.bm@omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 27497 invoked from network); 8 May 2011 17:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.32.75.203 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 May 2011 10:41:55 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: gNzXneIVM1lqLevIqtJC78lqPBynzXgle_jfxbgUpdcGMGC 3___ysT1firYEk7IRrhMyn4funmizvU0jV2B_vkbGCX3kv1BLaeE0Uc_WLOf Psdmby67UW0yo_TJ0wjvKlmgmZwo1in6lSivslwm3AJ7vZ_HzwIu8b1lGCwS NSGdLA5QC5MqHkFP40RJZqrupW045JRqH2uExrwd4jiIBiDQ4jwxuNmznMdI S7TdtexgWERTYbc11UGZCAATDOLyslhMu19LW9TVUALYpX2WMN204Bamsri. GoQj6vj62xln..yNSvfBOgpAl5iaW1Ph2F3OLum.riayD9fOrje9L X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 10:41:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.132 From: "jim smith" Subject: KKNX AM 840 Eugene Or X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=wRiVvJIHTlfsiF5a-LtuIkGVRREXu96BBEr1luyzokeVNfyCaEKvClTnRSaRErSKDHcxu8-- X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang A former AM STEREO station in Eugene Or KKNX AM 840 has droped there AM HD. That mite be a good sine that thay mite go back to C-QuAM. AM HD sounds bad to me and very harsh. I was geting 8 AM HD stations by sky wave last night but none of them ingaged. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun May 08 15:03:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6540 invoked from network); 8 May 2011 22:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2011 22:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2011 22:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p48M3HRO004617 for ; Sun, 8 May 2011 18:03:17 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 76349E000083 for ; Sun, 8 May 2011 18:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 18:03:17 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:506158272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d4dc713256761 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Auvio RS cat #31-134 HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=Iy1XRUQ8c21izsEg_aL5JrAPhG_Jc1tG-RdbA7_bdVZZvZcsv7Py X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 5/8/2011 1:49:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Gang Well i bot the Auvio AM/FM HD tuner. Its a AM mono AM HD. FM HD sounds good but the AM HD sounds tinny and the tuner dose not have very good sencitivaty. I still like AM STEREO much better. I could get much more AM STEREO stations than AM HD.Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:09 AM Subject: {AMSF} Auvio RS cat #31-134 HD radio Thanks for the report on the HD AM radio tuner being mono AM and not sounding very good. IBOC HD AM should have never been allowed on the AM band. There are so many downsides to it : reduced range to around 20 miles radius with a 50KW AM station, adjacent-channel hiss that spreads unbearable interference on top of clean-running AM stations, tinny-unnatural sound when it does "work", etc. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From boogie350@yahoo.com Mon May 09 12:38:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64936 invoked from network); 9 May 2011 19:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2011 19:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2011 19:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2011 19:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2011 19:37:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 19:37:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.61.136.72 From: "Radio Boogieman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Auvio RS cat #31-134 HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=sX8W14GT_WooOepZXfwDaSXdY5aE3sdFk4BmxsI7gmJ1Yx8c X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > In a message dated 5/8/2011 1:49:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20=20 > jimsmith95650@... writes: >=20 > Hi Gang Well i bot the Auvio AM/FM HD tuner. Its a AM mono AM HD. FM HD = =20 > sounds good but the AM HD sounds tinny and the tuner dose not have very g= ood=20=20 > sencitivaty. I still like AM STEREO much better. I could get much more AM= =20 > STEREO stations than AM HD.Jim Smith Sorry you got duped. This is the reason I will NEVER buy an HD tuner. AM IB= OC set the entire AM band back 70 years IMO. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed May 11 06:31:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54792 invoked from network); 11 May 2011 13:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2011 13:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2011 13:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2011 13:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2011 13:31:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 13:31:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.171.182.19 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: this has to go now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=buP2NWTPdtR51JkOIHHBkk8Qpz36bdVSiMuUTM_kTcsm X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd need to buy dj speakers and amp to get my mobile dj business going delta ase2 exciter in excellent condition and manual $300.00 plus shipping = will ship international needs to go asap!!!! robert arvada, co 80004 From bratina501@msn.com Fri May 13 22:38:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12152 invoked from network); 14 May 2011 05:38:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2011 05:38:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2011 05:38:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2011 05:38:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2011 05:38:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:38:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.54.55 From: "nicholas" Subject: KONA 610 Kennewick WA dropped stereo and other updates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=JVWdWW7L0zZF7nivZemorBdGOZ0QdSNL0Jxn_y7xtiZSlXUhZA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I noticed the list was outdated for Washington and northwest Oregon and thi= nk these stations can safely be removed. KONA 610 Kennewick KLOG 1490 Longview KGHO 920 Olympia KDZR 1640 Portland KKSN 1520 Portland From bratina501@msn.com Mon May 16 14:53:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45092 invoked from network); 16 May 2011 21:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2011 21:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2011 21:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2011 21:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2011 21:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2011 21:53:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 21:53:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.54.55 From: "nicholas" Subject: Delco UX-1 adjustment points X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=sGzmP9shJrgdlkvAhdGIUn2DccRBQo90o6ogQtQLWDr3KmxP7w X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 The radio that has been giving me trouble has started to again. This time I= have the sections aligned correctly for AM just before the point where it = squeals on the strongest signals but I can't find a service manual or any i= nformation on what the adjustment points are for the AM and FM tuner sectio= ns. All internet searches turn up is tutorials on how to modify the radio f= or an auxiliary input and which tuner fits which car. I did find a service = manual for the 2000 series ETR systems but the UX-1 is not included in the = manual as the circuit diagrams look way off in comparison. From bratina501@msn.com Tue May 17 00:34:59 2011 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=34128;u=;t=1305621663;m=1800858104;s=1769151326; From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue May 17 17:16:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14784 invoked from network); 18 May 2011 00:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2011 00:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2011 00:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2011 00:16:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2011 00:16:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 00:16:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.118.55.248 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Ebay: Delta ASE-2 Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=x31rHdNjBPXZR8VI667wJh7NWfVvkz8oSFLmSS2NkuTN X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Listed it on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D140550445288 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri May 20 01:00:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66074 invoked from network); 20 May 2011 08:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2011 08:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp110.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.84.53) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2011 08:00:33 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp110.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4K80TI1025655; Fri, 20 May 2011 01:00:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net) Message-ID: <362057A31ECC4DCCBE121620D206262D@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 01:00:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.84.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ebay: Delta ASE-2 Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=85jMwkHoKQzpPxeashbLdNJB2ySC9wPces_0QtTNvHi2SssM8ivQeYLdWGT3uwpgHZohzgLg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Can't you use the exciter as your DJ micheen? I mean you can set up the AM STEREO exciter up and set up some of your AM STEREO tuners and radios to demo AM STEREO and permot it as you do your DJ show. Just a idea. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:16 PM Subject: {AMSF} Ebay: Delta ASE-2 Stereo Exciter Listed it on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140550445288 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 20 13:54:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87567 invoked from network); 20 May 2011 20:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2011 20:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2011 20:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2011 20:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2011 20:54:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 20:54:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <362057A31ECC4DCCBE121620D206262D@jim3slp85ju21o> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.78 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ebay: Delta ASE-2 Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=O0b10QEOz49YkgEBaBVqlnuB4D6eIxabwLl7JAp0sjR25miFyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Can't you use the exciter as your DJ micheen? I mean you can set up th= e AM STEREO exciter up and set up some of your AM STEREO tuners and radios = to demo AM STEREO and permot it as you do your DJ show. Just a idea. Jim Sm= ith > > Hi!!! You can't do that directly. You need an extra AM transmitter, because the ASE-2 gives only two signals: 1) Audio signal (L+R) 2) Radiofrecuency signal (the phase modulated carrier with the L-R audio si= gnal) With these two signals you can't directly feed a typical AM tuner, mono or = stereo. So... You need an extra AM TX. I understand that Aspisys offers one model with 1 watts out (I'm not sure). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 20 18:04:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19082 invoked from network); 21 May 2011 01:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2011 01:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2011 01:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110520200421101855000010> for ; Fri, 20 May 2011 20:04:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DD70F86.5080303@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 20:04:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 20:04:21 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110520-1, 05/20/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ebay: Delta ASE-2 Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YK-_uSokMU-AEc4mhrxZLeJE74QFq1zA3moEJEIEkL7ERgsu2App X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/20/2011 3:54 PM, Jota wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , "jim smith" > wrote: > > > > Hi Can't you use the exciter as your DJ micheen? I mean you can set > up the AM STEREO exciter up and set up some of your AM STEREO tuners and > radios to demo AM STEREO and permot it as you do your DJ show. Just a > idea. Jim Smith > > > > > > Hi!!! > > You can't do that directly. > > You need an extra AM transmitter, because the ASE-2 gives only two signals: > 1) Audio signal (L+R) > 2) Radiofrecuency signal (the phase modulated carrier with the L-R audio > signal) > > With these two signals you can't directly feed a typical AM tuner, mono > or stereo. > > So... You need an extra AM TX. > > I understand that Aspisys offers one model with 1 watts out (I'm not sure). Actually there is a "sample" output which is a full CQuAM signal that could be used. Scott From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri May 20 18:11:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1178 invoked from network); 21 May 2011 01:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2011 01:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s17.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2011 01:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP154 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 20 May 2011 18:11:20 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.122.172.68]) by BLU0-SMTP154.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 20 May 2011 18:11:18 -0700 To: References: <4DD70F86.5080303@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 19:11:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2011 01:11:18.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD683090:01CC1753] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.156 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ebay: Delta ASE-2 Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Ge1OA41MhNpVodWCcyFlWfhGHPJ3AsjlW8vYHSboQCRY X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd there is on the ax10 but not the delta. i have two matching mint condition ax10's. theyll never get sold. From boogie350@yahoo.com Sun May 22 13:38:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3188 invoked from network); 22 May 2011 20:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2011 20:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.52.215) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2011 20:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.191] by nm18.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2011 20:38:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.138] by tm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2011 20:38:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2011 20:38:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 180539.25237.bm@omp1021.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 41762 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2011 20:38:32 -0000 Message-ID: <1515.32828.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fjtKLlwVM1mtYlbSciKaCWjb1vCtG80HDkVFl7l11VO10XH TWKRSFxnKrsiSjaTC4TAir2tGxorO38lGXRI.e9nGu.aZ18SUQKOAvqlAcFB MbFVXjvhvNjmg10KRkyLRpLeOmtMka8vt6l4DXdisi4neRB2yG.V1HeXzo2p V.FjRMgFIpLFt4NCOAd4xB2R7Sx3qRqduzmhLuVphXw3yH0kzIB23Hci_74b n39Uq_yRZc_A3zhsBQbbE9qsFLDjVSST.HbGIp1CtjH4REdGcUEZtAH4Q6VH Pvp3.1PWexV7Ipzh0xDl5nIrsIynJoZhwqMQiOSdwrI9pTxKQsVqxPmruWOW 1.r54a_5GHGwDJuTiIsXQmT6nEan7lVATZ_ciQRweXWLnkiBdDNJzzjRL20c mk._btkmi4mz7 X-Received: from [68.61.136.72] by web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 May 2011 13:38:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.1 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 13:38:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 98.139.52.215 From: Boogie350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=VmEAO0Z3KRBNhW29LGinAJjqbrOS6O1XtoYkMZpwRYNT2Tke X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 It seems to me you could build a small modulator stage similar to those one to two tube AM transmitters seen on Antique Radio Forums to get it on the air. Replace the oscillator IC scetion with the RF out from the exciter and run the L+R audio into it as normal. I have a Harris exciter, which is still stock but with all the instructions to convert it to CQuAM, that I'd like to experiment with at some point, since I have a homebrew 2-tube AM I built out of junkbox parts that I could connect it to. When I get my music room remodeling done, I'll have to chuck them on the bench and see what I can hack up. If nothing else, I have drawers of tubes and parts available that I could homebrew a final mixer stage with, say, a 6L6 or 6888 tube. Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter hogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon May 23 19:55:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67980 invoked from network); 24 May 2011 02:55:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2011 02:55:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2011 02:55:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2011 02:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2011 02:55:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 02:55:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.52.92 From: "Jota" Subject: Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=C8Is6GDX8-4DMvjbXOINl-6Hf0eKoLVRJFP26-ZhdRwCFx95mw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if someone here has the circuit diagram of the old (but very, very= , very good) Heathkit AJ-30, or the full tube list. I want to re-use this d= evice. Today it sounds good, but I assume there is more than one tube full = exhausted and/or some calibration issue. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jmrouse@mail.com Tue May 24 10:14:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37429 invoked from network); 24 May 2011 17:14:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2011 17:14:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.mail.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2011 17:14:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2982 invoked by uid 0); 24 May 2011 17:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from 69.171.160.215 by rms-us003.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 17:14:26 +0000 Message-ID: <20110524171428.198750@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: PKG9J8s7zmCiLh9gqyElPiViamdhZITx X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=WKbbYOIaSf8zIZBXGcrvaq2n4gYQEUtm9DYq8X0kfPCseWXqUJew X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI gang, Juan, I do not have the diagram you are requesting, but it is available at the l= ink below. Downside, it's not free. At least it is obtainable, though, if a= ll else fails. Best I can do. Good luck.=20 Have a great day, Joe R. http://www.servicemanuals.net/ServiceManual/HEATHKIT+ASSEMBLY+MANUAL/AllMod= els/pos1/results.aspx=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jota Sent: 05/23/11 08:55 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue May 24 15:13:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84108 invoked from network); 24 May 2011 22:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2011 22:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2011 22:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2011 22:13:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2011 22:13:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 22:13:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20110524171428.198750@gmx.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.53.27 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mnQe3aAP33fasWlqAL1Y3lfwGc1tDgbrrxsWxgdHamgfTNzz4w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thank you so much for your data!!! I'll try to get it, there. BTW: Don't you know about the tube list of this device? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > > HI gang, >=20 > Juan, > I do not have the diagram you are requesting, but it is available at the= link below. Downside, it's not free. At least it is obtainable, though, if= all else fails. >=20 > Best I can do. Good luck.=20 >=20 > Have a great day, > Joe R. >=20 >=20 > http://www.servicemanuals.net/ServiceManual/HEATHKIT+ASSEMBLY+MANUAL/AllM= odels/pos1/results.aspx=20 >=20 From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 25 00:41:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66161 invoked from network); 25 May 2011 07:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2011 07:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2011 07:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p4P7ejba001722 for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 03:40:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.ea7.1423cf5d (43904) for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 03:40:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d26.mail.aol.com (magic-d26.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.160]) by cia-dc07.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC071-ab804ddcb27a2b1; Wed, 25 May 2011 03:40:42 -0400 Message-ID: <2c094.5a194729.3b0e0c7a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 03:40:42 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lP1HD0NYBl48DKHSziW5KHJS--hTepKJwUxndltwaL5nMr0vrCs-TOtpXmJPztld X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/24/2011 5:13:32 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > BTW: Don't you know about the tube list of this device? I think these are all still pretty commonly available. Mike SPECIFICATIONS FM=E2=80=94Tuning range: 88 mc to 108 mc. IF frequency: 10.7= mc.=20 Antenna: 300 ohm balanced for internal for local reception. Output: low=20 impedance cathode follower variable up to 4000 ohms. Output voltage: Nomina= l .5=20 watts (with 2 uv 30% modulation in). Quieting sensitivity: 2 uv for 20 db o= f=20 quieting; 20 uv for full quieting (40 db). Maximum deviation sensitivity: 5= =20 uv; (400 cycle 100% modulation). Deviation sensitivity: 20 KC (1100 uv in).= =20 Harmonic distortion: Less than 1% (1100 uv 400 cycle 100% modulation). Imag= e=20 ratio: 40 db. AFC correction factor: 12 db. Amplitude modulation suppressio= n:=20 25 db. Hum and noise: 40 db below 30% modulation (20 uv in). SPECIFICATIONS AM=E2=80=94Sensitivity, narrow bandwidth position: 1400 kc, = 4.5 uv;=20 1000 kc, 5 uv; 600 kc, 5.5 uv (at antenna terminals through standard IRE=20 dummy antenna, .1 volt RMS reference output). Reference output .1 volt RMS:= 600=20 kc 5.5 uv. Sensitivity change, narrow to broad position: -5 db. IF=20 bandwidth, narrow: 14 kc, 6 db down. Broad: 20 kc, 6 db down. Image ratio: = 1400 kc=20 55 db; 600 kc 80 db. Harmonic distortion: Less than 1%. Hum and noise: 35 d= b=20 below 30% modulation (1000 kc unmodulated with 100 uv in). IF rejection=20 ratio: 1400 kc 42 db; 600 kc 30 db. Power supply: Transformer operated 50-6= 0=20 cycle, 100 watts. Tube complement: (6) 6AU6, (3) 6BA6, (1) 6BS8, (1) 6AB4, = (1)=20 12AT7, (1) 6AL5, (1) 6BE6, (2) 12AU7. Dimensions: 15=C2=BE" W. x 5=C2=BD" H= . x 13=C2=BD" D.=20 Shipping Weight: 24 lbs. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 25 12:04:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92189 invoked from network); 25 May 2011 19:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2011 19:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2011 19:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2011 19:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2011 19:04:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 19:04:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: MCS 3050 C-QUAM Tuner for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=cp2rxDEbymo4AkjOWUTVu71J-SGSYcun4JIvDaAOuFQxxOSmafOVinE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio XYL says radio reduction is in order, so I'm selling my MCS 3050 tuner.=20 Go to the "Photos" section and you can look up in the AM Stereo Tuners sect= ion photos of my MCS3050 tuner. Selling for $25 + approx $19 Shipping (metal cased). If you get me your zi= pcode, I can give you exact shipping cost. Send me an email if interested. Thanks,=20 John From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed May 25 12:32:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22057 invoked from network); 25 May 2011 19:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2011 19:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f41.google.com) (209.85.210.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2011 19:32:12 -0000 X-Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so4569355pzk.14 for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 12:32:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.37.6 with SMTP id u6mr3796700pbj.155.1306351932476; Wed, 25 May 2011 12:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] (97-115-192-236.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.192.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t4sm52418pbm.39.2011.05.25.12.32.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 May 2011 12:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DDD5934.3000103@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 12:32:04 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Hank Smith Reply-To: hanksmith5@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} MCS 3050 C-QUAM Tuner for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=8mGFyBpqiOz_CMT0gRY6lPYtTjclKSeJ9uU8XIM_c9m93hP875jH X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I am blind am unable to see the photos can you tell me more on what the unit contains and how I would hook it up? also if I were to buy it witch I am really temped to it would have to wait until the 1st. that is when my ssi check comes. please get back to me. HankOn 5/25/2011 12:04 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > > XYL says radio reduction is in order, so I'm selling my MCS 3050 tuner. > > Go to the "Photos" section and you can look up in the AM Stereo Tuners > section photos of my MCS3050 tuner. > Selling for $25 + approx $19 Shipping (metal cased). If you get me > your zipcode, I can give you exact shipping cost. > Send me an email if interested. > Thanks, > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed May 25 21:14:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14167 invoked from network); 26 May 2011 04:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2011 04:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2011 04:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2011 04:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2011 04:14:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 04:14:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2c094.5a194729.3b0e0c7a@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.185 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vvAUqQaoR3oBTsc5l_skqIz1mhl8JKoTLMBM6JnjbGV5cj2msQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 GENIUS!!! Thanks a lot for your data!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 5/24/2011 5:13:32 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > jotape1960@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > BTW: Don't you know about the tube list of this device? >=20 >=20 > I think these are all still pretty commonly available. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > SPECIFICATIONS FM=E2=80"Tuning range: 88 mc to 108 mc. IF frequency: 10.7= mc.=20 > Antenna: 300 ohm balanced for internal for local reception. Output: low=20 > impedance cathode follower variable up to 4000 ohms. Output voltage: Nomi= nal .5=20 > watts (with 2 uv 30% modulation in). Quieting sensitivity: 2 uv for 20 db= of=20 > quieting; 20 uv for full quieting (40 db). Maximum deviation sensitivity:= 5=20 > uv; (400 cycle 100% modulation). Deviation sensitivity: 20 KC (1100 uv in= ).=20 > Harmonic distortion: Less than 1% (1100 uv 400 cycle 100% modulation). Im= age=20 > ratio: 40 db. AFC correction factor: 12 db. Amplitude modulation suppress= ion:=20 > 25 db. Hum and noise: 40 db below 30% modulation (20 uv in). >=20 > SPECIFICATIONS AM=E2=80"Sensitivity, narrow bandwidth position: 1400 kc, = 4.5 uv;=20 > 1000 kc, 5 uv; 600 kc, 5.5 uv (at antenna terminals through standard IRE= =20 > dummy antenna, .1 volt RMS reference output). Reference output .1 volt RM= S: 600=20 > kc 5.5 uv. Sensitivity change, narrow to broad position: -5 db. IF=20 > bandwidth, narrow: 14 kc, 6 db down. Broad: 20 kc, 6 db down. Image ratio= : 1400 kc=20 > 55 db; 600 kc 80 db. Harmonic distortion: Less than 1%. Hum and noise: 35= db=20 > below 30% modulation (1000 kc unmodulated with 100 uv in). IF rejection=20 > ratio: 1400 kc 42 db; 600 kc 30 db. Power supply: Transformer operated 50= -60=20 > cycle, 100 watts. Tube complement: (6) 6AU6, (3) 6BA6, (1) 6BS8, (1) 6AB4= , (1)=20 > 12AT7, (1) 6AL5, (1) 6BE6, (2) 12AU7. Dimensions: 15=C2=BE" W. x 5=C2=BD"= H. x 13=C2=BD" D.=20 > Shipping Weight: 24 lbs. >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Thu May 26 05:31:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77740 invoked from network); 26 May 2011 12:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2011 12:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2011 12:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p4QCUoM1022472 for ; Thu, 26 May 2011 08:30:50 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d2f.7229ac86 (43972) for ; Thu, 26 May 2011 08:30:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m18.mail.aol.com (magic-m18.mail.aol.com [172.21.136.206]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD035-abc44dde47f339f; Thu, 26 May 2011 08:30:43 -0400 Message-ID: <5a1e.23de87e8.3b0fa1f3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 08:30:43 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.75.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QPD4cUMLdtO6USSgwg2SQ7TIRn90wTeB2y81iuZqPkT62fUJtMD4WoeskgBv9wFJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're welcome, Juan. I learned something as well. The AJ-30 had a high fidelity AM section. Rare in an AM/FM tuner. The thing has almost as many tubes as R390. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 26 08:32:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23459 invoked from network); 26 May 2011 15:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2011 15:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2011 15:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2011 15:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2011 15:32:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 15:32:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4DDD5934.3000103@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} MCS 3050 C-QUAM Tuner for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=6-7l7zd9tsP2mokGIQq22dzLqsRgaaZvUcoo9vbJwWBYnLP0gE3mUqc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Will send a written description to your G Mail address. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Hank Smith wrote: > > Hello I am blind am unable to see the photos From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu May 26 19:19:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31627 invoked from network); 27 May 2011 02:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2011 02:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2011 02:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2011 02:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2011 02:19:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 02:19:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5a1e.23de87e8.3b0fa1f3@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.42 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_SRPSVjfVmqRQ2mq1kcHVMTTVARBWGpylp_BNDca9wOyskkffw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > You're welcome, Juan. I learned something as well. The AJ-30 had a high= =20 > fidelity AM section. Rare in an AM/FM tuner. >=20 > The thing has almost as many tubes as R390. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi!!! My AJ-30 has the tubes absolutely exhaust (they are giving their last "flam= e"). Even so, it sounds too much better than any today "digital" AM tuner. = I wonder how better it will sound when I get all the tubes new!!! BTW: Was there some Heathkit model, with the same performance than the AJ-3= 0, but all solid state? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America,, with love and hope From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 27 08:19:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21532 invoked from network); 27 May 2011 15:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2011 15:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.100) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2011 15:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2011 15:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.25] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2011 15:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2011 15:18:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 82364.88418.bm@omp1025.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 78228 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2011 15:18:23 -0000 Message-ID: <451570.77339.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FQaVZ8EVM1mWJHngHiJho0F4dvlgSmtWGYDeA1X0dfoW6_f vqR8wcsGsfdlNmNg4wnpGQEVwmBagpRyFjQUILflBd6e0JdE2XdS2C4k5qv2 b74LxH98XtH.mzJjHWoVL.YYQ0d_ap52hICSshXHF0EDmLKfqzTtKhfP3ZGR uubY4J4MczXgIcY6HAjEZA4X7GKbiSzqrbnJmstGSZ9SU5k9ZcaUUheZEF7T 4Zr3YgNhzMTtCxZlLJCBEWQNlhKhbddUVTVh5z2W1Cnte_6kx_W3J2AelcOH oHyutWTbwI5GAw7p.yXip2tWxsdNXvaln29HEiUg_csNBtspFAcjj0g42.9m KIiL.hA4iA2up9.Y7gUMZ7DFQf2iBjt8l6mXxwKW.8qk4WRzaMqnrZ7NoFJU JVnse9rFb3dtM2nXeDoyT7v8D_nhRIWCWgiPB1Zt0kJXibNNJoHcM9nijR2L AzIPM0YGvYZh3srRoZOgizMIFhdU9zj7UZydC.b3T X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2011 08:18:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.1 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 08:18:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.100 From: John Subject: Tasmanian Devils should use CQUAM instead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=e3SMMeDolJuGmzJDgaymM4GoK0czH9_MfBdAeu6SwX_Gt2WY7xcudrs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From the pages of some radio magazine: "Hobart, Australia - May 9, 2011 - Commercial Radio Australia has applied t= o Regional Development Australia for funding for the construction of digita= l radio transmission systems that would cover Hobart, Tasmania, as well as = Launceston, Tasmania. Guy Barnett, the Liberal senator from Tasmania, says = Hobart was the only capital city in Australia to be excluded from the digit= al radio roll out that happened in 2009. "We are currently being treated as= second class citizens, and that's not good enough," said Barnett. "We=E2= =80=99ve looked at other ways ofgetting digital radio to Tasmania, and an a= pplication to Regional Development Australia is the best way to go." =C2=A0 Commentary: If they had C-Quam they would be First Class, although DAB+ isn't half bad. =C2=A0 Hey Ian: what frequency does your DAB+ system use? VHF/UHF/L-Band? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 27 10:12:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47750 invoked from network); 27 May 2011 17:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2011 17:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2011 17:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110527121204100237000010> for ; Fri, 27 May 2011 12:12:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DDFDB4D.8010108@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 12:11:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 12:12:04 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110527-1, 05/27/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=t1ceCKErwbUUoiS8Oo_wUIRkD1mlyZS9I_Yo22H0F03EBrDjaiSu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/24/2011 5:13 PM, Jota wrote: > Thank you so much for your data!!! > > I'll try to get it, there. > > BTW: Don't you know about the tube list of this device? > There's a section for this sort of equipment at the Antique Radio Forum: http://antiqueradios.com/forums/index.php Scott Todd From awhichello@ieee.org Sat May 28 03:44:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: whichello@velocitynet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74673 invoked from network); 28 May 2011 10:44:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2011 10:44:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO m0.velocity.net.au) (203.17.154.25) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2011 10:44:57 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.4] (152.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au [122.49.202.152]) by m0.velocity.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F28A60005 for ; Sat, 28 May 2011 20:44:56 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4DE0D202.4070908@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 20:44:18 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1306571115.977.8856.m3@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1306571115.977.8856.m3@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.17.154.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: apw From: apw Reply-To: awhichello@ieee.org Subject: Re: Tasmanian Devils should use CQUAM instead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=b-YzCgqKRjTxTiC1pLB3AipLEZqbEWBt1jWmyyKZpgaMXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 > > Tasmanian Devils should use CQUAM instead! > Commentary: > If they had C-Quam they would be First Class, although DAB+ isn't > half bad. Yeah, it's about as good as AM stereo. I have easy access to both in a good reception area and can compare. It's not as good as FM stereo with the lousy bitrates we are using in Australia. 64kbps is considered good ("CD quality" if you believe the BS), 48kbps acceptable. A very few are going as high as 80kbps. > > Hey Ian: what frequency does your DAB+ system use? VHF/UHF/L-Band? > At the moment transmissions are all around 210 MHz. L band was used in an earlier trial with DAB, but didn't penetrate buildings well enough. It is still a possibility down the track. A. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat May 28 21:01:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94030 invoked from network); 29 May 2011 04:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2011 04:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2011 04:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2011 04:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2011 04:01:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 04:01:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4DE0D202.4070908@velocitynet.com.au> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.147 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Tasmanian Devils should use CQUAM instead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9cJ2TSJEW2EBY6cl_ylwG-RpyDJh3AyVJs4eaZR1wRGNvtbUmA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, apw wrote: > > At the moment transmissions are all around 210 MHz. L band was used in=20 > an earlier trial with DAB, but didn't penetrate buildings well enough.=20 > It is still a possibility down the track. >=20 > A. > Excuse me if I seem some harsh/rough with my comment, but I think it was/is= and will be an "IGNORANCE" issue, and great part of that fault IS on the b= roadcasters: ANY TUNER, ON ANY BAND, NEEDS AN APPROPIATE EXTERNAL ANTENNA!!= ! I'm convince that a very great reason to the AM listeners bad evaluation is= because most of the tuners don't have a real good antenna (or an external = antenna connector). Without a good antenna, you never will get a decent signal. It is the same with the L-band: if the signal can't penetrate the building.= .. simple: use an external antenna!!! So... Broadcasters should make a very good campaign about the need to use a= n external antenna... ALWAYS. Just a crazy comment from an old mad man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope. From radio774@yahoo.se Sat May 28 23:34:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73995 invoked from network); 29 May 2011 06:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2011 06:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.225) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2011 06:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.183] by nm4.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2011 06:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.63] by tm14.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2011 06:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2011 06:34:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 322385.54902.bm@omp1032.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73914 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2011 06:34:48 -0000 Message-ID: <54708.64571.qm@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mfrXh94VM1likZmh1NzUN.M7T7OWzWMG_HdTlCtA8rk0ZOc 1kYmRVPfGJedtGTxRVg3fgd8O4RLuUtnFBHXeYq70du9Y2tgBEd5Vo2bD58P eiZTpeCQRPAD_TnVX7bM59P_z._K.lWSaNnS4JUohc8nM0amOEO.M1.7tJ62 uzrYgd14NWX1iYmbHQ4fdTZKwWzltwUq_r51l1nTbry.rTC5E_dG9zpH8QP_ KNIBQMebUKYegDOL3uLR6dnfsckn88t0VlirMSTKGR2JiTHDMRoqAw4_ZdIm R85VvX3nvxZ_5fM8s7nuN4HeLfcf6QHd0gJqOyiXLKmfXKvRii1qat0nypbP u9BdmY.ZIUqGaGJ3YB.PLbGFkhkFaE2THTCd4MvXU.vY7QGKPBeyELirbigx 3PUv7OOjMOCzNmhtBoVZ57t.zzqfrNmEdlCGdBc5ZcpCq3AcZnNHaja_cnUw qD6rj.i_v7C_eaJc2DSNkIwQlQ3JEnkl7y_kY5Q8xJNEfNSyP_YuJhs8K_9C Gfv6.SbUvnXkN.V_7831EaqOTDvZE281mwXj63vJkpj93XVNsdwfyaUim42J j3866itJe6eLgqW.DIm3ehiPPMgr6Wim7SRrpToUi2zAbPxtBNLF6Gv4vUPv k4DgN_QkakfInVo2Tnn1R3XRt6T4MR3W_.STrwS7eHe8.n_UYakZom37SqYK dGgBHZcv_2ypKsFcwCRMTO_BNbuotcfRF4reulbBhinURus9_MdBOZo2lXJB SZ5k.aVxy4z0D_PM- X-Received: from [178.30.212.209] by web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 May 2011 07:34:47 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: <1306571115.977.8856.m3@yahoogroups.com> <4DE0D202.4070908@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 07:34:47 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <4DE0D202.4070908@velocitynet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.182.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: Tasmanian Devils should use CQUAM instead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=PMqkOvb39bcjVsnmLEKzxDH9rRd4rkDGtKbe6tfGiVAM2cs X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello In Assia, if you use bandwith of 8 kHz, stereo audioprocessor, limiter etc, you will = get better dynamic than dab+. Yours Roy in Sweden. Let the am be a free broadcasting band all over the world. Frequency licenc= e only.500watts. Fr=C3=A5n: apw Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 28 maj 2011 12:44 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Re: Tasmanian Devils should use CQUAM instead! =C2=A0=20=20 =20 > > Tasmanian Devils should use CQUAM instead! > Commentary: > If they had C-Quam they would be First Class, although DAB+ isn't > half bad. Yeah, it's about as good as AM stereo. I have easy access to both in a=20 good reception area and can compare. It's not as good as FM stereo with=20 the lousy bitrates we are using in Australia. 64kbps is considered good=20 ("CD quality" if you believe the BS), 48kbps acceptable. A very few are=20 going as high as 80kbps. > > Hey Ian: what frequency does your DAB+ system use? VHF/UHF/L-Band? > At the moment transmissions are all around 210 MHz. L band was used in=20 an earlier trial with DAB, but didn't penetrate buildings well enough.=20 It is still a possibility down the track. A. =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 29 11:44:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65554 invoked from network); 29 May 2011 18:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2011 18:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2011 18:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p4TIi06m014115 for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 14:44:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c59.6d066555 (56029) for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 14:43:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-md08.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD083-dadd4de293e9352; Sun, 29 May 2011 14:43:53 -0400 Message-ID: <53dd3.2e72de63.3b13ede9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 14:43:53 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5000 X-AOL-IP: 63.3.10.129 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=3sszUP4qdU29sQGgFDswSMgvPz1cvDN2vSwy_RQrq1CkZ_R5ox_6fzW42fx49-C0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/26/2011 9:19:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: BTW: Was there some Heathkit model, with the same performance than the AJ-30, but all solid state? ??? To my knowledge, no. Let me know if you have any problems getting replacement tubes. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 29 19:20:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84848 invoked from network); 30 May 2011 02:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2011 02:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2011 02:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2011 02:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2011 02:20:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 02:20:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <53dd3.2e72de63.3b13ede9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.233 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xkDuyMt6m7-xYeTsNfBiuUt0hCtqHJjNojp1vgvqDsOb3wE99A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > To my knowledge, no. Let me know if you have any problems getting=20 > replacement tubes. >=20=20 > Mike >=20 Hi, Mike!!! It is a real pity nobody had tried to made tuners with the outstanding qual= ity of the AJ-30 but with solid state technology. BTW: I found all the tubes on Antique Electronic Supply. It was too much ea= sy than I expected (I never thought to find it). I'm waiting for their answ= er about the final prices (because I'm not inside the USA territory, of cou= rse). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America,, with love and hope From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 30 09:08:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59720 invoked from network); 30 May 2011 16:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2011 16:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2011 16:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p4UG85YF026046 for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 12:08:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.fee.eb29e61 (56032) for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 12:08:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d25.mail.aol.com (magic-d25.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.159]) by cia-md08.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD086-dae04de3c0e22bd; Mon, 30 May 2011 12:08:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4f582.512ea0d8.3b151ae2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:08:02 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5000 X-AOL-IP: 63.3.10.129 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=3fQh29mJLdh6zFvNBlfZwMS8_amC_xeVScsniTr9k8PFft6JrXFZ9OJxVx2_0wVC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/29/2011 9:20:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: It is a real pity nobody had tried to made tuners with the outstanding quality of the AJ-30 but with solid state technology. With the increasing popularity of FM coinciding with the decline of tube technology, there wasn't much interest in high fidelity AM until AM stereo arrived in the early 1980's. Carver, Denon, and others made high fidelity AM stereo solid state tuners. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon May 30 19:17:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37333 invoked from network); 31 May 2011 02:17:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2011 02:17:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2011 02:17:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2011 02:17:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2011 02:17:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 02:17:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4f582.512ea0d8.3b151ae2@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.111 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Q73BOctT6tMVjUhbO5eBo73xC76C7huBPl_5hP2ZSrcF1RMGsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20=20 > With the increasing popularity of FM coinciding with the decline of tube= =20 > technology, there wasn't much interest in high fidelity AM until AM stere= o=20=20 > arrived in the early 1980's.... > > Wasn't it an "anti-AM" campaign? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon May 30 21:44:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53022 invoked from network); 31 May 2011 04:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2011 04:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2011 04:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2011 04:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.76] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2011 04:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2011 04:44:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 394888.32755.bm@omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 17381 invoked from network); 31 May 2011 04:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.31.51.184 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2011 21:44:52 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: gHg2U8MVM1k.WMHBbOUyTQUnlVPzZ5VXR58.KW1NTS8NYt0 vGAmQmq0.VVnyOAxyyk.TGR.QfOoT.D1Gt1a9Fy.8UL.QXSFsMovXkfd6BBZ CUs5jwFWxk_dJ4XB6mP59ORiDGBo1wWiV2PeWlkY3InRAbwe3UQc_F7Cggef UFysrB2gIZq4onU0hcfQ.5rf4XiYmLIc5_GOQCn9lChzb32_yWHX3qhfyimN CUxHD.xZw89xTuR2BUxj8IqfMOhLITn47bBRy8m6IrVU5uOtUvQViNtcO8MR fe3g5gGhMdPUxUs1fDDk.ddb3vNqkoX1eWQg5k5S188lx9o2XGTPLpTDu.oD aeic_fzHn7KDkEOUTIPVIUE5FVf4JSZ4.KhEjeWxo2o.rv0T4AuQCKAEDWiJ Za0Z6YC0iYLAeA_vFS7iydtuZEHxUNmCPYFrhwfCLgcw0tTUK3_0Th3LK7Tg duT1fWzNCY9eYIGgD_oikc8GgzmrAAiwIKPe8nZHCx9hlwigC3gZYzGsp2Om _Ra4dxh0v0_D1bdd68noQX5fuMO.Ic0wd5ejveszOgPIMWpTTls_eVzxtJh9 NIjRkQv2H05DJQRRinTBpk3pjkOHeAjT.h3yVkgVmccCYoAt_0hnhOCgyNaL MZBBBdcyvG1gX4dVZ0VieQnFsuFCDCShalDEQlG2gbx6RjhRi8mO1tA3.DNv 1iV.oTHhnF0qGQAYlpm2h22YqDeQ34l2QZzvFoRI60PslgU5JQOqXEItKoUU IOkNo6M0j7jq_BKxfLBjGbK8- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <30B68394B7074E10B3B2CACA7283F650@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:44:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=WzpoL8cJVpQbA484yGK5_NMuF-mwkt4FTaeym5TQhMsbHRR_hwh-uqUKA-tNVUXQ2i5CsEn- X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jaun I think so. FM was not doing well in the late 50's and early 60's.= So FCC gave STEREO to FM and made AM radio's sound like cheap crap. What = the FCC said that the more narrow the AM radios are made the less noise was= on them . TRUE!!! But it sounds like crap.So the early to mid 70's AM broa= dcasters baged the FCC for help so in 1975 the AM STEREOPHONIC group start= ed there 18 year bull grap. So in 1993 a standard was finely was set.16 yea= rs to late. Jim S ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > With the increasing popularity of FM coinciding with the decline of tub= e=20 > technology, there wasn't much interest in high fidelity AM until AM ste= reo=20 > arrived in the early 1980's.... > > Wasn't it an "anti-AM" campaign? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jun 01 05:16:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62026 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2011 12:16:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2011 12:16:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2011 12:16:57 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110601071640102444300010> for ; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 07:16:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4DE62D8B.6020905@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 07:16:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 07:16:40 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110601-0, 06/01/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tasmanian Devils should use CQUAM instead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=v0J_JZ3S0Yjk5fLYhs-kUVIIjWRyBd3Jmq7ozcmaBral3VGR48s1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/28/2011 11:01 PM, Jota wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Excuse me if I seem some harsh/rough with my comment, but I think it > was/is and will be an "IGNORANCE" issue, and great part of that fault IS > on the broadcasters: ANY TUNER, ON ANY BAND, NEEDS AN APPROPIATE > EXTERNAL ANTENNA!!! > > I'm convince that a very great reason to the AM listeners bad evaluation > is because most of the tuners don't have a real good antenna (or an > external antenna connector). > > Without a good antenna, you never will get a decent signal. > > It is the same with the L-band: if the signal can't penetrate the > building... simple: use an external antenna!!! > > So... Broadcasters should make a very good campaign about the need to > use an external antenna... ALWAYS. > > Just a crazy comment from an old mad man. Certainly for a mobile environment and possibly for home, but not for portables. People don't like to bother with installing extra components other than headphones/earbuds these days. One of radio's greatest strengths in the 50s through the 70s was portable radios didn't need external antennas. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jun 02 15:33:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64261 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2011 22:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2011 22:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2011 22:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2011 22:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2011 22:33:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:33:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4DE62D8B.6020905@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.249 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tasmanian Devils should use CQUAM instead! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Qn3amTOlEii9RCWsIjhRd7CvYUYq5qvt55PZVIdBim47JQ_8tw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 > Certainly for a mobile environment and possibly for home, but not for=20 > portables. People don't like to bother with installing extra components= =20 > other than headphones/earbuds these days. One of radio's greatest=20 > strengths in the 50s through the 70s was portable radios didn't need=20 > external antennas. >=20 > Scott Todd > Hi Scott. I remember those portable "all transistors" tuners (with the mini jack earp= honse connector). All those radios had a very good "extendable" external antenna. I mean, the= same extendable aerial to all the bands the radio had. Some of them had an= internal ferrite coil antenna, but I suspect the extendable had some part = of the job too. In other words... we need a good antenna... always, brother. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jun 02 15:44:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60028 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2011 22:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2011 22:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2011 22:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2011 22:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2011 22:43:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:43:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.249 From: "Jota" Subject: 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=L3QHyeA1aZlVpRAhe0A7LEkcxLSQXvvmeWlShhBVpksgQc90wA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if the FCC AM rules have a clear, transparent and defined position= about the full AM channels bandwidth (MW and/or SW). I mean: here, in Chile (South America), our today technical rule speaks abo= ut a total 10 kHz of bandwidth. But... the words used aren't absolutely cle= ar if it is speaking about the final audio bandwidth or the total... total = sum of both sidebands. If the rule means the first chance, then the audio c= an reach up to 10 kHz. If the rule means the second chance, then the audio = can reach up to 5 kHz, only. So... it is very important to our war (here) to know what the FCC says abou= t (because, believe it or not, Chile has always followed the FCC rules). Please, if you have copies of those rules, share it with me, please!!! Or, if it is available in Internet, let me know where. Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jun 02 19:15:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22548 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2011 02:15:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2011 02:15:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f54.google.com) (209.85.213.54) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2011 02:15:40 -0000 X-Received: by ywf7 with SMTP id 7so935937ywf.13 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:15:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.163.8 with SMTP id l8mr1316428ybe.213.1307067338244; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b24sm219518yhm.65.2011.06.02.19.15.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 22:15:35 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.54 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=iVRvVdjYUnas62w5QhbipXTCQL5q_qnkAozCNyhWKfQvZ0d3BSEAutHiWrRB0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 2, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Jota wrote: > I wonder if the FCC AM rules have a clear, transparent and defined positi= on about the full AM channels bandwidth (MW and/or SW). This should explain it all. http://www.thebdr.net/articles/fcc/rules/NRSC.pdf 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 06 16:11:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49994 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2011 23:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2011 23:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2011 23:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2011 23:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2011 23:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2011 23:11:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 23:11:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.106 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=KwaCqbwZ5nDUqnQd5Sr4qHj89OCwO0s2WiNfwYwQwun1qRSYig X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > This should explain it all. >=20 > http://www.thebdr.net/articles/fcc/rules/NRSC.pdf >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > Thank you so much, Kevin!!! Now I have the lost item. BTW, I wonder if you know some cheap digital (software) solution to create = (modulate) and decode an ISB AM stereo signal (not C-Quam). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jun 06 18:36:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91879 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2011 01:36:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2011 01:36:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f49.google.com) (74.125.83.49) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2011 01:36:59 -0000 X-Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1so2500751gwb.22 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:36:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.91.208.29 with SMTP id k29mr4922696agq.71.1307410618995; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c19sm3704623anm.15.2011.06.06.18.36.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:36:55 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <612DFA81-0C3D-4732-9EA6-2F8CB6E6F915@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=mGYJ_14XaXdI6Ee90NKa45Rvh_r9ZBeCLFxGnJJsuj8nE87_Xpw3HvFKJYFDGw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Jota wrote: > BTW, I wonder if you know some cheap digital (software) solution to creat= e (modulate) and decode an ISB AM stereo signal (not C-Quam). I don't know of any, but if anybody does, Leonard Kahn would. The newest ad= dy I have for him is: KahnLeonardR@gmail.com 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 06 23:26:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44241 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2011 06:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2011 06:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2011 06:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2011 06:25:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2011 06:25:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 06:25:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <612DFA81-0C3D-4732-9EA6-2F8CB6E6F915@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.217 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Nz9k1kIG6IRjura0QPH-7n3ClPHBKprO4fimLBi3V4ozxECyLg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > I don't know of any, but if anybody does, Leonard Kahn would. The newest = addy I have for him is: >=20 > KahnLeonardR@... >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > Thank you so much for your data!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra from Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From radio774@yahoo.se Tue Jun 07 01:33:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52510 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2011 08:33:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2011 08:33:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.227) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2011 08:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.208] by nm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2011 08:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.174] by tm1.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2011 08:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2011 08:33:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 684062.972.bm@omp1015.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 46321 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2011 08:33:05 -0000 Message-ID: <77404.27571.qm@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: X2sTeWIVM1myXKA.NAC1cRivJ19.ong_Ak3GnMdDifLBV1A JDUeIFr7H0APVZLYxSXVgY3TV.RKb55wPDNkKk4Yhw1II53PbeT.iULR5GLo 2fwOr1TlIs0kNvhs4o6OX6KUfdckvHTfCTH9Iy5nP1IBnV6azJHtfc23G0.i jAlYTw.1ZOdmNuOjwkOWsZ4Y7E2SYhh1CGCMt1y14HKmtmzz8JJCXGi1H03x bKZue2P0TGUmdQmGnEV7gwoYpwwtJw3Gdmk5Kkw1a0y4SnZehXOvVxpMhD98 O7PsRKNp4HasIV4GrLazXEA98rO0OLcrc6mgMJgjnBu4pOYCXARAc4jgJPGW V.bCeCpdsici3yXk8ZoGJt7uEUgTE7VgDoWV0GPjif.c9XkIcl3PFhRNdVHW KXcUqU_XmIqD2NA0LWDRBiTfIeBtgyBGXnYJw0pEtzD5MsAzXK7pq.m6do5v uCtEkeMITIhMdw9EgHO7RHBGI7WnPlLNH2Hjb0Vxik3VKGPALFzqS69DpoaV EGToyBMMW4RA8TOTbLigBrbWhyxcC6sKsxERut4XcnYsJeWc7Mo9snRbuRc2 md5_T48y.ifPCEHWnzsh5E6yP6QchuRuo2QWnzCGKI6pP.uBcoV4xwlx6tHb 3Ik7YlrsZQRvPz4.m95lQk8Zg7U3Hx3BGbxqZA_evUk.3xS0kt.9K2OGKWmo 1P13_NHwPdz3mTwl7fjLz2SHt.rAI_NEUPeVPv9WooWxeusZSCPHNpe.cc1M YPg6Z5bs- X-Received: from [178.30.208.43] by web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 09:33:02 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: <612DFA81-0C3D-4732-9EA6-2F8CB6E6F915@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:33:02 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.182.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=gR0zMMpP4FpbiTRZfUjLw4oa5Br-XL0QMlzPtG1dfpoBS30 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In North, latin and south america it's 10khz audio =3D bandwith.Great in st= ereo. In europe you can use up to 8 kHz audio. =C2=A0 roy Fr=C3=A5n: Jota Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: tisdag, 7 juni 2011 8:25 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? =C2=A0=20=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > I don't know of any, but if anybody does, Leonard Kahn would. The newest = addy I have for him is: >=20 > KahnLeonardR@... >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > Thank you so much for your data!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra from Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jun 07 17:37:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26758 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2011 00:37:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2011 00:37:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2011 00:37:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 00:37:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 00:37:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 00:37:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <77404.27571.qm@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.34 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=NPFSz723PNS0ocH461gaU6EXW-uVpLlwVbrIQlTswz-gDmkMQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > In North, latin and south america it's 10khz audio =3D bandwith.Great in = stereo. In europe you can use up to 8 kHz audio. > =C2=A0 > roy >=20 Hi, Roy!!! I'm not absolutely sure about this. At least in Chile (my beautiful country) the rule says: "10 kHz total bandw= idth" The problem is if the rule is speaking about the audio bandwidth or the ful= l RF channel bandwidth. I suspect the rule means the second version, because the channel spacing is= 10 kHz, too. It is obvious that, if the rule lets two "side by side" stations, separated= by only 10 kHz, neither can't have up to 10 kHz audio bandwidth (because t= hey would superimpose all the band beyond 5 kHz: 1260 kHz...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...1270 kHz STATION ONE..................................STATION TWO Audio bandwidth............|................Audio bandwidth So... Of course, nobody here obeys the rule that way. Despite the level saturatio= n, all the chilean AMs have enough audio up to 10 or 12 kHz (if the used tr= ansmitter isn't from USA, it is made here and it is a copy of one of the US= A models, hihihi). My problem is... How to get a change IN the rule, to specific 10 kHz of aud= io bandwidth allowed (with that words), without to generate a political war= about the international treatments, etc. I know there is some AIR (Interamerican Radio Association) institution. Doe= s somebody know if they have some specific rule about this item? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From radio774@yahoo.se Wed Jun 08 01:34:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90037 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2011 08:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2011 08:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.219) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2011 08:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.212] by nm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 08:34:45 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.40] by tm5.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 08:34:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 08:34:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 52996.4939.bm@omp1025.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 6753 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2011 08:34:41 -0000 Message-ID: <950507.91484.qm@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7sDYJKYVM1neK6g70.INnHLrzd0Z7zURUli_1FkOo1l2oRa 20hSJZ2KouJDSiOykiW42.4hBMhhCFwHYWTg1RhY2EnAZ8nuewQHt2hKkc8B oe32mrAvX4_z6mVCaYQvsYvlPfSl4kBkiTL7y.nh84w_eEF2dLQxnMgjIFOw cmXhTVVhROOH2_ZZaeugniMFN.vbbxjzh2xh888vckrNPHIBmqszGQYBRGj0 .MZLDJ69TrEzJLHDtuyXdSgOH59FA7jLY7.JKG7s4BfR9VP6x_0yUynEyu1Z g6JME7ssjHI9Hcx_TW0hYNtv8hD7uI46PiK9alW4Qu8MobqHm9apFstGO.Qe PmGZOHvROHkKXS0BeT272wUU3WhHOh8PQtZI.Vg.dB1MDiES8qMtqfR1O8mo E_o0AcZ5LhoomwjlvZkB4ylw4H_NN7O0Ps07NHsdajXco42q6msT09Kqm6xX fbkj1nzGzL41arOsZF_Pfp0e.krikbrpjqalQ2qTDC7B8eGy2sdGYg545dIS b5uVe0FOUSqUU5tOHFF8KnyOF8qGGjmRqlmpkjxKLARRKRezgzXkRvOhir0P fQloUeFKaA1myEENAzOhHLkLEGnsuELlYROZtO26NZ_1pw9BPj2oRxXg1xAQ E8.xPJDq5_dpqxyMSCrtjQOsBzYsWMWZirGMezXv9GZtTIRlQulk_If2ndgh 1MtqTqQgNtK8xirX2av5JXjnSCADUdpP9aUzgGo1gk9XsMM4A.p3YWXd9E7_ .ALc6zxA- X-Received: from [178.30.219.203] by web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 09:34:40 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: <77404.27571.qm@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 09:34:40 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=lNOFlqNSIv_0jfpyQrRKq_yY-eBP4npLOrbW_t-LmDJWSec X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, with 10kHz it will be like=C2=A0 1260, next 1280kHz in the same area, at le= ast 20kHz between stations in the same areas, depending on powers, too cab = even be 30kHz, roy Fr=C3=A5n: Jota Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: onsdag, 8 juni 2011 2:37 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? =C2=A0=20=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > In North, latin and south america it's 10khz audio =3D bandwith.Great in = stereo. In europe you can use up to 8 kHz audio. > =C3=82=C2=A0 > roy >=20 Hi, Roy!!! I'm not absolutely sure about this. At least in Chile (my beautiful country) the rule says: "10 kHz total bandw= idth" The problem is if the rule is speaking about the audio bandwidth or the ful= l RF channel bandwidth. I suspect the rule means the second version, because the channel spacing is= 10 kHz, too. It is obvious that, if the rule lets two "side by side" stations, separated= by only 10 kHz, neither can't have up to 10 kHz audio bandwidth (because t= hey would superimpose all the band beyond 5 kHz: 1260 kHz...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...1270 kHz STATION ONE..................................STATION TWO Audio bandwidth............|................Audio bandwidth So... Of course, nobody here obeys the rule that way. Despite the level saturatio= n, all the chilean AMs have enough audio up to 10 or 12 kHz (if the used tr= ansmitter isn't from USA, it is made here and it is a copy of one of the US= A models, hihihi). My problem is... How to get a change IN the rule, to specific 10 kHz of aud= io bandwidth allowed (with that words), without to generate a political war= about the international treatments, etc. I know there is some AIR (Interamerican Radio Association) institution. Doe= s somebody know if they have some specific rule about this item? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 08 10:30:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44095 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2011 17:05:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2011 17:05:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2011 17:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 17:05:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 17:05:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:05:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=bV1S-jctn_B75RVqbXW7upKlbqsBU8Zb8f18VzF3nBZtmtlfsE9OtRU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Other than the clears here in the USA, most AM's are about 30KHz spacing da= ytime, so you don't have an overlapping issue; also, you have to remember t= hat at cymbol crash at 11KHz is only a second or two - it is NOT at 100% mo= dulation 24/7/365 like the interference from HD radio is, so music with bri= ef peaks is no problem. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > In North, latin and south america it's 10khz audio =3D bandwith.Great i= n stereo. In europe you can use up to 8 kHz audio. > > =C2=A0 > > roy > >=20 >=20 > Hi, Roy!!! >=20 > I'm not absolutely sure about this. >=20 > At least in Chile (my beautiful country) the rule says: "10 kHz total ban= dwidth" >=20 > The problem is if the rule is speaking about the audio bandwidth or the f= ull RF channel bandwidth. >=20 > I suspect the rule means the second version, because the channel spacing = is 10 kHz, too. >=20 > It is obvious that, if the rule lets two "side by side" stations, separat= ed by only 10 kHz, neither can't have up to 10 kHz audio bandwidth (because= they would superimpose all the band beyond 5 kHz: >=20 > 1260 kHz...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...1270 kHz >=20 > STATION ONE..................................STATION TWO >=20 > Audio bandwidth............|................Audio bandwidth >=20 > So... >=20 > Of course, nobody here obeys the rule that way. Despite the level saturat= ion, all the chilean AMs have enough audio up to 10 or 12 kHz (if the used = transmitter isn't from USA, it is made here and it is a copy of one of the = USA models, hihihi). >=20 > My problem is... How to get a change IN the rule, to specific 10 kHz of a= udio bandwidth allowed (with that words), without to generate a political w= ar about the international treatments, etc. >=20 > I know there is some AIR (Interamerican Radio Association) institution. D= oes somebody know if they have some specific rule about this item? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 08 11:47:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73891 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2011 18:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2011 18:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.213.161) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2011 18:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 18:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.216] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 18:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 18:47:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 121647.74923.bm@omp1025.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 24462 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2011 18:47:46 -0000 Message-ID: <657570.21818.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hnPVXCMVM1lNX6TGj_gHA6nBm07soNJPRizsSmp0t62IBLP ph6DN3D7_ppvEhYwxqs9Lce333jE5nvQgNinxYfVW8e0017Z1PiYO9nXp0zg 974UqVEc5GXl0JHgOld1NXt1mT07zrvFXCLy68rPJdw8PuL9CW3fLVmC.H1E 1yLGcdCO4z0DJRlBc3zxPMs_P30ZM_.GspZ4.upDJRWWeaTS2bsHcumnauzJ kBDvsfp7TKXdN7UZa5gmjv87Dk_LsfEiHOo83vtlrGMkdazHTP5B0_6XRx.2 c0t6aZOmcoau1.GCMo99AsOUwM6yJ_AvhJjNITh0qTKqyrxL2QdIrzQvDZ6O .tefxVu_WpdlbCSPNI69Wkw8AdunVGHENPsn2Wxia7NaITEft2nOv346e8rQ wdtfwODYo9Ba2 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 11:47:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.1 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:47:46 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.213.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: Hardware for AM Stereo Still Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=PW5UkSIggWjAVDSrC0VvFXcSVQDJ5IuOCSk_xeiHDi7Vici1_LnkVck X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is nothing to prevent a manufactuer from making NEW AM STEREO radios.= =A0 I just went thru two data sheets today (from 2009) from STMicroelectron= ics, and they have two tuner chips, the TDA7512 and TDA7421N, and here is w= hat=A0the data sheets=A0 read: =A0"A separate output is available for AMIF stereo (AMST)."=A0 Yes, two new= chips in production for car and home tuners with a separate AM STEREO outp= ut!=A0=20 So, if you know the communications protocols (CAN, IC2 etc) you could build= a NEW AM STEREO radio!=A0=20 I didn't see a separate AM stereo decoder chip, but at least the tuner itse= lf can output the AM stereo signal.=A0 It could happen if somebody wanted t= o work on it! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 08 12:44:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1452 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2011 19:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2011 19:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.246) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2011 19:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 19:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.10] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 19:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 19:44:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 475144.16924.bm@omp1010.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 49421 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2011 19:44:42 -0000 Message-ID: <914161.48367.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: I1TJ1vwVM1ndodmin2BsWY1s7T9q4ti4VmmNXXH.DZj6akd mrF_mTvjVqP8LUWQQb82pOuYpGG4QJ_IIGOT23GfeKF88f1fksNDOEnNuXw_ GPlgYzaXt7Hxu5RmYV3kxDehh61tUSpiTu4m_X4gNaZQWnXKzFbqEKtqXNv0 cdF24hpdOSa864KVHfbCpClu9lt9BW6ekmtHqTy6a4wLCWLxKcnTs3v1l9LA qREQFaVn7KbrSBa52LO8gjt4e3XtdzP3OV7sZC2SBSPUM42Gz2hr5s0.X_N6 0Q4VGgcyCjYX_co4KUpg2q80Sm9hYpDW9PTO4kmmKpN.2yese48nCYTpJ3fC w8M4H6p.SshxhUKUXAzP.BojiG6MGYX1bcscYY.oDKDwFgbA080DxAgKxR3F NPYqSOnyr93FYCYGIrVhGyAsVrESTV0Dx4jAYTOyRf.uhddRdsVB6GX6yV4B vXyhaw4x410OKhJYYwXxSD3mQpD_Efihvr.VNp86wPBP2oEN6zo8Ce_Rn1rY 2XoNz7SHd7_G9HEUBT5UZag-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:44:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.1 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:44:41 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: Radio For Oz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=21-dfMeLmFDkZKrkh5elq7RuEtMtjsffNKGgg-pijKQTJxB-HpH-5Vs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ian and our friends in Oz that are losing their analog CQuam AM Stereo stat= ions for DAB+, here's a link to a radio for you guys: http://radioworld.com/article/laser-introduces-dab-fm-am-portable/23638 =A0 Johnnyelectron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Wed Jun 08 14:45:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46961 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2011 21:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2011 21:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.254) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2011 21:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.211] by nm16.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 21:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.169] by tm4.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 21:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 21:45:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 862602.23821.bm@omp1010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 45640 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2011 21:45:16 -0000 Message-ID: <647403.32717.qm@web28213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mGL69BgVM1m9yfrUt.nQRd3WvxrCevVsc0iX4IVujis2uoQ 1O3QfhM8UTRx5qHLIImP1oDMgLvVR6ey.0Gwk3eEiQZDB3JLSj.6R_aN7jvE ATOuVoMBfDaSgG_k0ZaraUo2XEyisYhRfSUXqAUQ2i2uuQGiqn_n1_zdeiAd Tz3m1a.K_VYjro1TqTgTmWglaJtlZRIvUuxOxLcSf4ZFoTr8YanCyauBYaA1 mbA6xBfz5f5LkBPjpXUW1df5CKeGfFMhPDoljTzZ8v43pOZyzKbtBiy4Wyht CRMHOhd3X_6KAqaajM6WmQWv064oT6NTn0Kvwocldd.2ks.tgyyXuKsjiBs4 1ihBxOqZdzm9tDJGhnNM15jNG_PB12cWYwYDexMJqHtNuV1G0CkyXKfsjQ44 m3wdTCeXKoaqebbUPcR_92CjQMR.CDrPSvaUWie.spXz8gd15dSIYEXmcrR1 kaJ30sCHY0onD.6TGX3Z7heyQvFHjvSF7Z3VQ2FqljSn.TO1Sbn_FYQREcvZ zgRlqTZbc3KFAVUGkCnE2nrSUt4Uq.21dUptxCIcd7w7m8X49OSb0u8H42ys qcVGSOATGn6LY6ZQmG3y2FrYiNlBv2Hp7PBQQp8DP9E.ihKudrsoroNjTOdd Im482HONlRRNXIahAu..Lx70widqr_m8DewrNLiH3cuk4RncCpcE2lcabhXG 5YLsQTc.BO5gfonJjZhrN6kEm7UNTK4fhZ_sHDD5S5yMA.YPLpeCuYoHVjWQ WvdrucV03Y.aigB4IW5CfgCEf0vmfBHM- X-Received: from [178.30.222.133] by web28213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 22:45:16 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 22:45:16 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.254 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=FzSFOZHonlDM9sZwJFOL28TiT8NvS4s9SnL4D75OLR8-QxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, i do understand,30kHzspacing in the same area of stations. Roy Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: onsdag, 8 juni 2011 19:05 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Other than the clears here in the USA, most AM's are about 30KHz spacing da= ytime, so you don't have an overlapping issue; also, you have to remember t= hat at cymbol crash at 11KHz is only a second or two - it is NOT at 100% mo= dulation 24/7/365 like the interference from HD radio is, so music with bri= ef peaks is no problem. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > In North, latin and south america it's 10khz audio =3D bandwith.Great i= n stereo. In europe you can use up to 8 kHz audio. > > =C3=82=C2=A0 > > roy > >=20 >=20 > Hi, Roy!!! >=20 > I'm not absolutely sure about this. >=20 > At least in Chile (my beautiful country) the rule says: "10 kHz total ban= dwidth" >=20 > The problem is if the rule is speaking about the audio bandwidth or the f= ull RF channel bandwidth. >=20 > I suspect the rule means the second version, because the channel spacing = is 10 kHz, too. >=20 > It is obvious that, if the rule lets two "side by side" stations, separat= ed by only 10 kHz, neither can't have up to 10 kHz audio bandwidth (because= they would superimpose all the band beyond 5 kHz: >=20 > 1260 kHz...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...1270 kHz >=20 > STATION ONE..................................STATION TWO >=20 > Audio bandwidth............|................Audio bandwidth >=20 > So... >=20 > Of course, nobody here obeys the rule that way. Despite the level saturat= ion, all the chilean AMs have enough audio up to 10 or 12 kHz (if the used = transmitter isn't from USA, it is made here and it is a copy of one of the = USA models, hihihi). >=20 > My problem is... How to get a change IN the rule, to specific 10 kHz of a= udio bandwidth allowed (with that words), without to generate a political w= ar about the international treatments, etc. >=20 > I know there is some AIR (Interamerican Radio Association) institution. D= oes somebody know if they have some specific rule about this item? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jun 08 15:15:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76570 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2011 22:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2011 22:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2011 22:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 22:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 22:14:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 22:14:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.72 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=rvtqvK3rBIZC0aG6XIV5TfX6vKHGMaz148fGnD37Xb739jG0ww X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I'm absolutely agree with you: audio far beyond 7.5 kHz is very sporadic an= d not at 100% level. However, all those harmonics are important, very impor= tant up to 12 kHz. In this line, a lot of FM Stereo tuners hardly reach the 15 kHz typical lim= it. Most of them (specially car radios from the 70's) reach up to 10 or 12 = kHz max). So... there shouldn't be a "great" noticeable difference between = AM and FM (if the AM part had a wiiiiiide IF filter, of course). Even more,= I'm convinced that a well modulated AM TX should sound better than any FM = device (because AM is more simple and the simple things are always better). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Other than the clears here in the USA, most AM's are about 30KHz spacing = daytime, so you don't have an overlapping issue; also, you have to remember= that at cymbol crash at 11KHz is only a second or two - it is NOT at 100% = modulation 24/7/365 like the interference from HD radio is, so music with b= rief peaks is no problem. >=20 >=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jun 08 15:23:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5971 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2011 22:23:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2011 22:23:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.28) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2011 22:23:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 22:23:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 22:23:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 22:23:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 22:23:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <647403.32717.qm@web28213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.28 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.72 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} 10 kHz? or 5 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bNX24OakRQtokHOHheR5W_WUkFLQy9QB_C1byGhmpy1Hx67PIg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > OK, > i do understand,30kHzspacing in the same area of stations. > Roy >=20 Hahahahaha!!! Tell it to the government stage. Here, my beautiful land, SUBTEL (the local equivalent to the USA FCC) has s= tations distributed at 10 kHz channel spacing with the TXs at less than 30 = kms, both with the same power!!! Guess what happen when you are in the "mid= dle of the road". Even more, I know (in the north part of chilean territory) one station that= has the same carrier frecuency than a peruvian station, both with 10 KW, a= nd the distance between them is around 100 kms. So... If the government doesn't have "good ideas" about this issue... Who c= an save us? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jun 08 15:24:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89249 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2011 22:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2011 22:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2011 22:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 22:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 22:24:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 22:24:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <657570.21818.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.72 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Hardware for AM Stereo Still Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xIrFJwJe7fA_otEIg7Uhki1C8iCE-_eGhPuXKXvlXOw05n3Cdg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Do you have the web page of them? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: > > There is nothing to prevent a manufactuer from making NEW AM STEREO radio= s.=A0 I just went thru two data sheets today (from 2009) from STMicroelectr= onics, and they have two tuner chips, the TDA7512 and TDA7421N, and here is= what=A0the data sheets=A0 read: > =A0"A separate output is available for AMIF stereo (AMST)."=A0 Yes, two n= ew chips in production for car and home tuners with a separate AM STEREO ou= tput!=A0=20 > So, if you know the communications protocols (CAN, IC2 etc) you could bui= ld a NEW AM STEREO radio!=A0=20 > I didn't see a separate AM stereo decoder chip, but at least the tuner it= self can output the AM stereo signal.=A0 It could happen if somebody wanted= to work on it! > John >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 09 07:15:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6371 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2011 14:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2011 14:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2011 14:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2011 14:15:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2011 14:15:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:15:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <657570.21818.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Hardware for AM Stereo Still Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KGNnjutiS_m7u51Y72PsFFcRO2Rkzl9M16OQKKOHhaoh2vSLvSZdLYE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's a link for one of the two chips: http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/9300.pdf From boogie350@yahoo.com Thu Jun 09 15:05:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50989 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2011 22:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2011 22:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.52.248) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2011 22:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm29.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2011 22:05:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.160] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2011 22:05:01 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2011 22:05:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 781808.51883.bm@omp1043.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 70676 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2011 22:05:01 -0000 Message-ID: <574599.66025.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3IsrY5UVM1mjTlg_FddAKMUhjRidOednh_GvhNX39Bz5J5a WjMC3MaAvubuvyfqtll7NnB7OZBimOp.ee7aSEza3PXh7_oZRz4dAbVl3mAv u9Y7c8D6WTnfvrNW8RNcrHV96YxIQkkik7at1OUbm_DK_8fd6iG1rcbGI5e5 h..rpkjn9a7c0T7eNBh8COT_iLRxjiXarNH8l1tRK3UGJF5ZNgfxWBzeFuqY DIAewQZFGrQP9Kymd8mEkhF9iuR6FNoEusslXQV641OskelFn9aHyNL_sY1O 1sR8BadA_ZmLIUqf5sTOQuA8cvNw1rVbfpBekauApYi46KL.YPZn0EBQCCSp M0mlWZzLmxZarGngXCXQfdg1.Bny1TKiMx.9uD5kCXU_xT9Ac_t4SLSZLiiN Z2KnXXqawnUYw X-Received: from [68.61.136.72] by web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:05:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.1 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:05:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 98.139.52.248 From: Boogie350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=I4bkcYI8Q48fzIQQsGD3nHYCjuVZh2MvGkqhBG60IQZkY5_- X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 The only time I've seen a total bandwidth restrictions applied to "RF bandwidth" is for FM transmissions and frequency/phase shift modes, as they can only deviate so far from carrier frequency. In AM, the restriction applies to the bandwidth of the modulating signal. AM sideband splatter into the first adjacent channels is a given, which is why AM stations have allocations (in theory) that aren't on the first adjacent for a fair distance. Nighttime skywave contours are a whole different matter, and then there's IBOC splatter. The level of interference that IBOC creates defies any and all logic on AM. IBOC exceeds the interference levels of analog sideband splatter by an order of magnitude, often interfering with second adjacent and beyond. Pray hard that your regulators DON'T follow the FCC's example regarding AM IBOC. The human ear can tolerate the analog sideband crashes far better than the awful grinding noises from IBOC sidebands. If C-QuAM stereo "died" then what the heck is keeping crummy IBOC on life support? Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter hogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 13:49:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1719 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2011 20:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2011 20:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2011 20:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2011 20:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2011 20:49:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:49:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.246 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Hardware for AM Stereo Still Available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=NUSFQvaHCz74phYtTdMywqQ3iqrFKeabUUPKW2mxq7nRbYq1rA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Here's a link for one of the two chips: > http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/9300.pdf > T H A N K S A L O T!!!!!!! It seems to be a very interesting chip. I wonder why it is marked as a "car= radio tuner"... Only? Could be applied it to a desktop receiver? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 13:58:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13841 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2011 20:58:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2011 20:58:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2011 20:58:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2011 20:58:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2011 20:58:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:58:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <574599.66025.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.246 From: "Jota" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xtJdQzAcexGPvEO9h-gJmY59qTeBpmf96BjuI0YiMZDa5HD3bw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Boogie350 wrote: > > The only time I've seen a total bandwidth restrictions applied to "RF ban= dwidth" is for FM transmissions and frequency/phase shift modes, as they ca= n only deviate so far from carrier frequency. In AM, the restriction applie= s to the bandwidth of the modulating signal. AM sideband splatter into the = first adjacent channels is a given, which is why AM stations have allocatio= ns (in theory) that aren't on the first adjacent for a fair distance. Night= time skywave contours are a whole different matter, and then there's IBOC s= platter. The level of interference that IBOC creates defies any and all log= ic on AM. IBOC exceeds the interference levels of analog sideband splatter = by an order of magnitude, often interfering with second adjacent and beyond= . Pray hard that your regulators DON'T follow the FCC's example regarding A= M IBOC.=20 >=20 > The human ear can tolerate the analog sideband crashes far better than th= e awful grinding noises from IBOC sidebands. If C-QuAM stereo "died" then w= hat the heck is keeping crummy IBOC on life support? >=20 > Eddie & Tami > Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios >=20 Hi!!! This is my war too: NOT IBOC!!! Let the digital audio on the studio. Even so, if you want, use it on your S= TL. BUT STOP THERE!!! Let the old, but absolutely efficient and useful, analog audio on the air!!= !!!!! > Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter= hogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any go= od thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE le= t me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. > BTW: I'm a collector too and I have a lot of old, BUT SO GOOD, masterpieces= . I have an old Pioneer QX-949A quadraphonic receiver and I don't reject th= e idea to have another one. Also, I'm looking for another old receiver: the= Marantz 4000. If you know something about a reasonable offer (the Marantz = 4000 or another Pioneer QX-949A), please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Jun 21 03:51:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17461 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2011 10:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2011 10:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.55) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2011 10:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2011 10:50:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2011 10:50:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2011 10:50:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:50:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.55 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=JKoVEVZze4MaBPebjxkoXSgyHMfziugDXcZ2w7RqcH6BXmYOoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Well I asked if they were fans of am stereo and they read out my email also= on this podcast... http://www.ustream.tv/channel/aussie-tech-heads Dave UK From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Jun 21 18:59:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93617 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2011 01:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2011 01:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f54.google.com) (209.85.214.54) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2011 01:59:14 -0000 X-Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so598762bwz.41 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:59:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.14.144 with SMTP id g16mr93257bka.34.1308707953348; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:59:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.148.84 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:59:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:59:13 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=8XMeLqdUt-ALaM04zxfXwSFwCvbVGvhJ_zwdym7xxiGDL5Qu X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You would think they would do some proper research. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:50 PM, amstereofan wro= te: > ** > > > Well I asked if they were fans of am stereo and they read out my email al= so > on this podcast... > > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/aussie-tech-heads > > Dave > UK > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Wed Jun 22 01:50:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44098 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2011 08:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2011 08:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.137) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2011 08:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110622085054.GOJV24049.nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:50:54 +0000 X-Received: from ian56817f068c9 ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110622085053.KURB10390.nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:50:53 +0000 To: Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:50:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcwwAR+XgUSy6l3MTGmNEIcA6epMNwAtossg Message-Id: <20110622085053.KURB10390.nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> X-SIH-MSG-ID: oxEzFtTuXAD+xTJw2GbvOAN+x1ju9HE74J0WRdJtqQQbTljCu8jOJJ/3Y9kEn57k1i5MPhCAPmslZ7zmXY7QiA== X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! Well I asked if they were fans of am stereo and they read out my email also on this podcast... Thanks a heap Dave! What uneducated guys the "Aussie Tech Heads" were/are. Their knowledge of AM stereo was the same as the sales staff at Tandy (Radio Shack) and Dick Smith Electronics for over 20 years. The presenter of this show actually admitted he'd never heard of AM stereo, and then said it was off channel mono which must have given a stereo effect. If he'd never heard it, how could he assume this? He also said that the reason it failed was that there were too many versions of it. There was only one version in Oz. He also said that satelight radio in America was doomed to fail as it was old hat. And then admitted that XM had already gone digital. All I can say is that these guys have no idea of what they missed! Good on you Dave. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 07:12:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48217 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2011 14:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2011 14:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2011 14:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2011 14:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2011 14:12:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:12:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=s2I0iz35dDZ6JY2cxv9AyI5GgNylY-7aVetfGrS2FRF8dJIEFvfFHKE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I bought an AM STEREO KIT from Dick Smith Electronics from OZ! It worked on both Harris and on Motorola AM Stereo. Oz did indeed have AM Stereo on MW in the 80's and 90's! Magic 693 was one of them. 73's John From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Jun 23 01:24:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26750 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2011 08:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2011 08:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.248) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2011 08:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.214] by nm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2011 08:24:14 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.171] by tm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2011 08:24:14 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2011 08:24:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 590407.82093.bm@omp1012.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10381 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2011 08:24:14 -0000 Message-ID: <430538.10122.qm@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: eW1qC6IVM1mXTwycwyDTggGynZAyg7hZJmNOuMyV0YnH4Ph apBMO1ab8V6jY2hZgDk2o7NxeTr1.nYs7ts_dywA9MCnCaDqr02_EFME8izh Ey57uSoueBACa0vqMJENojQQ6As2tXCQUpl.cRKLYvRuAHordjHXbNpzJ3Rm D_ncUJw734VPrilQP.Glp9jBt2iEapLGPBczsmutLovRhDD0QflYtbjrMYU2 19q7sf6HMpiyW_x.3Ao59rfJdYPNBoLRZ4KyKpDRqR4vx0MPMxynW13.HDU. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=aWFc57td51TegZxCl3vKAVMaXnhZCQf3XvUN3T-SzPUaGKo X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wich country was it??=C2=A0=20 Roy in Sweden Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: onsdag, 22 juni 2011 16:12 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was du= al mono LOL !!! =C2=A0=20=20 =20 I bought an AM STEREO KIT from Dick Smith Electronics from OZ! It worked on both Harris and on Motorola AM Stereo. Oz did indeed have AM Stereo on MW in the 80's and 90's! Magic 693 was one of them. 73's John =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 26 05:51:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73255 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2011 12:51:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2011 12:51:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2011 12:51:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2011 12:51:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2011 12:51:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:51:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <430538.10122.qm@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.191.153 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=tBk9PQvuQSU7-o4LmW2dzZNi1Rv-8nJorpyZp89IAThN8-OhaHgvq8bFco2s81nx9tpJmr3u X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Roy Thay where talking about Austaila. Motorola AM STEREO was very popu= ler for a wile down under. Thay should bring it back for the rual areas. If= DAB is any thing like AM iCRAP it bearly make if out of the citys.Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Wich country was it??=C2=A0=20 > Roy in Sweden >=20 > Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: onsdag, 22 juni 2011 16:12 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was = dual mono LOL !!! >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 > I bought an AM STEREO KIT from Dick Smith Electronics from OZ! > It worked on both Harris and on Motorola AM Stereo. > Oz did indeed have AM Stereo on MW in the 80's and 90's! > Magic 693 was one of them. >=20 > 73's > John >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Jun 27 05:55:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29814 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2011 12:55:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2011 12:55:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.93) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2011 12:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm17.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2011 12:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.166] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2011 12:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2011 12:55:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 451349.88737.bm@omp1007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85489 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2011 12:55:48 -0000 Message-ID: <246558.85472.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gyffLdwVM1nXehDaUfNjVN1_T8XhDGbdWtP.pT9V.eq1_MT p4o9u081vHvvx5wgsAwMBUo6qYj6oASo5B88sk0zwAOSjEMwbD8fguLo7LlS UsPt1_vXVWiTaVRlB6NYN3JvFE7XmkmbxVmIddJlNAEABmYH4CaaVdnl6ylx Rk6qCKYNQijkESbRsWnuyEUCML1gsLBaJ8Jk.01j6mC5jUoPtXkCpJekZapn RQXF0HuLnXiLiAx3dOdy7JmL5eb8SJbgosr1ETC_ye1Ohkq874JgxSbwRAVN LDJFjTe3jvRRwx5Z2fTlWTYLELMof4BKFFR0VHmpbn3MJTrEQCYDZglwivgb Ql3jLJWktMR3IEUtrTxklJSF0dGD9Sjp4HbEAUnB9z7UceSYrTP0gBFTtNya 7pQLoMIUoXLgC4UDC4.uQDxXdQPVaPbyhK2DAfyC8jKoLcJmXCKo22Z2YnAu nlMWGuzYYN_YY7Zb8sV4s84wRiFFWcm6MJZY6zwQCB6ehJ0y0_iQBIf1B9p2 Y4t6befysoEvmJhMxmtw3A_eoX_QhHeth8XNsREWr1fvAyCB.11ND_ffdmbZ Dew0nWyHX7ugCLa20b0OxsLabobdnWVDh2pHxmMMVnK8jZiHXDbMdmqzuQQA eCxqv.bmIptj_wMWmHLWLEhOd2pAfU7Jvu1EahMMw7RewRUhZuhKo2z2J4Vb bufZWNOu0e5ZCTMWb0eXKBi0wbHIINM6HQXMA2L.MDZJMqiC.VZn5CdjE1gX ktxRy4QFge8aTlQ-- X-Received: from [178.30.199.129] by web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:55:47 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: <430538.10122.qm@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:55:47 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=GG3RCBGAAkyo3jNAH074cgc6dCDmzW2A7nghSzy9KWutoQE X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haha, so we got more countries with AM Stereo than U S of A. I know that Italy is= running some stations. i prefer am am stereostation with a bandwith of 6-8= kHz wich now can be open in Europe to am stations. With a proccessor you c= an make something with an am statereo station. We can make car radios with am stereo if needed at my factory, am fm dab+, = soon with all am bands 150kHz - 26,1 MHz AM/DRM. =C2=A0 Roy Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 26 juni 2011 14:51 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it wa= s dual mono LOL !!! =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi Roy Thay where talking about Austaila. Motorola AM STEREO was very popu= ler for a wile down under. Thay should bring it back for the rual areas. If= DAB is any thing like AM iCRAP it bearly make if out of the citys.Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Wich country was it??=C3=82=C2=A0=20 > Roy in Sweden >=20 > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: toledohamradio > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: onsdag, 22 juni 2011 16:12 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: Re: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo= , it was dual mono LOL !!! >=20 >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 >=20 > I bought an AM STEREO KIT from Dick Smith Electronics from OZ! > It worked on both Harris and on Motorola AM Stereo. > Oz did indeed have AM Stereo on MW in the 80's and 90's! > Magic 693 was one of them. >=20 > 73's > John >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 15:58:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69950 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2011 22:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2011 22:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2011 22:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2011 22:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2011 22:58:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:58:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <246558.85472.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.245 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xffhHQZ72tgv89X5cgkhvfFMIa6F1rmDJwcPM6exugA7eO1b_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Roy!!! It is a very interesting thing to know you can make car AM Stereo radios. E= ven more if you include the SW bands. The only one point here is about the C-QUAM system doesn't work so well in = SW bands due to the phasing artifacts the SW bands introduce into the path.= In SW bands the only one good system is ISB AM Stereo. I'm talking about D= X mode, of course. I think in the local near area, C-QUAM should work well,= why not. I don't know if there was/is some AM Stereo station in SW bands, somewhere.= Even more, I don't know if there is some one in the air today. I knew more= than one international service but not stereo, dual mono ISB AM (one sideb= and in english and the other in another language). But, I don't think there= is some one today. More of the SW bands are almost empty. It's a pity, of = course. But, it is interesting to try to recover all the SW bands. It is a very har= d war, of course. BTW, as the basis of C-QUAM need two balanced modulators, as product detect= or (one to the I signal and the other to the Q signal), and the carrier sho= uld be phasing 90=BA to the Q detector, then all this part could be used to= decode ISB AM Stereo as well (phasing system). SO... I wonder... Why not t= o make a dual system decoder, C-QUAM and ISB, with just a single switch to = change between them? ??? Just an idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Haha, > so we got more countries with AM Stereo than U S of A. I know that Italy = is running some stations. i prefer am am stereostation with a bandwith of 6= -8 kHz wich now can be open in Europe to am stations. With a proccessor you= can make something with an am statereo station. > We can make car radios with am stereo if needed at my factory, am fm dab+= , soon with all am bands 150kHz - 26,1 MHz AM/DRM. > =C2=A0 > Roy From radio774@yahoo.se Tue Jun 28 01:14:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59934 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2011 08:14:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2011 08:14:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.192) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2011 08:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.209] by nm18.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2011 08:14:28 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.176] by tm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2011 08:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2011 08:14:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 938373.17601.bm@omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 11016 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2011 08:14:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wc.oeEMVM1m6iYByhXPzDJfxpnyhbu_TlO0xOoGiFDRqYfM RU_El5dbp4.dx2jujy9MTRXfztgLVVAnJE1jDpnaPwL_BFmBCD.ZLVCjZIq7 CBwDGO95E4jfycnZiw_QNIoze1vAjmsEG6OxwwKFIPDnn9zNsPg7X_mFtNr0 HEjbJQqTVk.CDhW_sjMLT6K5wE1gLhG3TNWxBL0i2CpvfPkLhPUZpoQB5I7Y 9I7pAJYuza_DctkrozeNUYYbvmqWE.AnhwNaJyOcF2N8sHcH34jtVNnB9Dz8 ugNxP5bccNjWcwuVBwBpVt8CDARmRmzMoRUfn3mFWiWolMBEeuDxKhY8h3BA s9qx.4mOiOyynnK8k9UHVc1fBkGMfMBAfmHr6ZGr8qK77moJ_UUseGNYS23B x5Hnm8ZmlTV489n01i0r5HAIMNP4nB_Q1781f3gi6BZyYIggkeTRydfZZmWR Ubb_LFXmizR07_EkFGU6yRp9zo8.c7PTEj5NjJM16y04dTFvgSauVgJL2yxp kHdFUEswRmyiQzXj5HPeQN7R3_rD4j10E6DuHEtAip38Ew_Z1BrR.azV6FyJ g.Jkhyzaq1T.XsM3CqrktYZUa3mJXrBNiYGkCidhu8LBI3lBQO6WEaDK6jgu CGTAdE6_RB143IX5AOL4Gre0nG.99BiZS0RMoy2LT4OaYEi36xZw8NjXeAv. f7Wcx0gv46tio8zJP3cCw1a6fsqrhcrqSTSBFB5rDGy4n8qD97TtjZjIPctA JNX70Zxxax2i14qMSKohkVLhLDWznEHYy3ZRwHHycuMqN0SGb8VFbkFOCcM. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=Gwe0sc2ZOLaBcWr4WAsl5mNPCxvxiXWsF9XVAA35c4LVpJE X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jota, =C2=A0 I mean on mediumwave, it can be done, but on SW it will be DRM wich is best= on SW. I got a DRM in my car and when the signal is strong it sounds like = a local station. Can drive hours by hours listning to the same station. Str= ong signal, few drop-outs. If i am in the target areas, it's mostly few dro= p-outs. Roy in Sweden Fr=C3=A5n: Jota Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: tisdag, 28 juni 2011 0:58 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, i= t was dual mono LOL !!! =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi Roy!!! It is a very interesting thing to know you can make car AM Stereo radios. E= ven more if you include the SW bands. The only one point here is about the C-QUAM system doesn't work so well in = SW bands due to the phasing artifacts the SW bands introduce into the path.= In SW bands the only one good system is ISB AM Stereo. I'm talking about D= X mode, of course. I think in the local near area, C-QUAM should work well,= why not. I don't know if there was/is some AM Stereo station in SW bands, somewhere.= Even more, I don't know if there is some one in the air today. I knew more= than one international service but not stereo, dual mono ISB AM (one sideb= and in english and the other in another language). But, I don't think there= is some one today. More of the SW bands are almost empty. It's a pity, of = course. But, it is interesting to try to recover all the SW bands. It is a very har= d war, of course. BTW, as the basis of C-QUAM need two balanced modulators, as product detect= or (one to the I signal and the other to the Q signal), and the carrier sho= uld be phasing 90=C2=BA to the Q detector, then all this part could be used= to decode ISB AM Stereo as well (phasing system). SO... I wonder... Why no= t to make a dual system decoder, C-QUAM and ISB, with just a single switch = to change between them? ??? Just an idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Haha, > so we got more countries with AM Stereo than U S of A. I know that Italy = is running some stations. i prefer am am stereostation with a bandwith of 6= -8 kHz wich now can be open in Europe to am stations. With a proccessor you= can make something with an am statereo station. > We can make car radios with am stereo if needed at my factory, am fm dab+= , soon with all am bands 150kHz - 26,1 MHz AM/DRM. > =C3=82=C2=A0 > Roy =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 13:00:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80244 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2011 19:55:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2011 19:55:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2011 19:55:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2011 19:55:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2011 19:55:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:55:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <246558.85472.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Roy - Radios?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=2jBuoCMBvs3RtjexyOoKUUTqP0zrYgIemxf3oKvzeNNqVTMqjJ2MzkM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Roy, Do you have a programmable DSP chip in your car radio that would allow you = to install the code to decode the 2 channels of analog AM Stereo? Not DAB,= not DRM, not iBiquity HD, but good old Motorola C-QUAM AM stereo? That would be great if you could provide us some info on that. 73's John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Haha, > so we got more countries with AM Stereo than U S of A. I know that Italy = is running some stations. i prefer am am stereostation with a bandwith of 6= -8 kHz wich now can be open in Europe to am stations. With a proccessor you= can make something with an am statereo station. > We can make car radios with am stereo if needed at my factory, am fm dab+= , soon with all am bands 150kHz - 26,1 MHz AM/DRM. > =C2=A0 > Roy >=20 > Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 26 juni 2011 14:51 > =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it = was dual mono LOL !!! >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 > Hi Roy Thay where talking about Austaila. Motorola AM STEREO was very po= puler for a wile down under. Thay should bring it back for the rual areas. = If DAB is any thing like AM iCRAP it bearly make if out of the citys.Jim S >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > Wich country was it??=C3=82=C2=A0=20 > > Roy in Sweden > >=20 > > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: toledohamradio > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: onsdag, 22 juni 2011 16:12 > > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: Re: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am ster= eo, it was dual mono LOL !!! > >=20 > >=20 > > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 > >=20 > > I bought an AM STEREO KIT from Dick Smith Electronics from OZ! > > It worked on both Harris and on Motorola AM Stereo. > > Oz did indeed have AM Stereo on MW in the 80's and 90's! > > Magic 693 was one of them. > >=20 > > 73's > > John > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From radio774@yahoo.se Tue Jun 28 23:17:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48509 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2011 06:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2011 06:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm11.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.185) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2011 06:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.210] by nm11.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2011 06:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.32] by tm3.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2011 06:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2011 06:16:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 202305.43818.bm@omp1021.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 39367 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jun 2011 06:16:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GASkztgVM1ncgCrkM14wYmoxE9YpXO2yGycW8AGkiMZcd.p 80Q73k747vnHnlIL1j0MGZB68Pgg6OfMk0D9mQNu56e9h3ze_V8p_c0uOQ1S vZ4C9FmhsLWGTGfDWuWhWnViQrewhuedKDcPguukFYjQ5mwXlWcXn2uDVBAe _HvGmECKc39zGSxqlLY2FB.UHaE8SzdtzfZcstz65ITiHtMMXq9QqmVNVYSF yI8XmLhTtcQkm3uFDooCkAO.R05sXsTRsj234V.j1HKxCQwGPOlAq6MU9qlD .XCHm83L.ek__cyIf01HZqDbs839M2BSOgH40cSD1WZ_Ij7qjUXuF60DqnNS FOgB9DQUeBlawnyMSHsAtzu.kY6iSK_q3WUBcjRZXrHdU6SFwOQX_bfltMPj do2ApZOKN6x1_KhIMLhOAY6_7F.GkVNE7rSEQnZItYT5PYv6VxqwA.Tb53Qg 93Lrhx4BwM9mucPZq6hNiX2gPwZozWdtt6dVxyAtQf3t7ybBT4_2U3sJOniU ZSRBl5wiljXkQGj4O4nEnEBgg50i7M8tdBqbEH88uML37PDnRxJatb43PI1f tbkD6MS_NXi5hhQnkeRnILCrzwuZH43ri3azA4.nJI_b.tnfy9rcfrGs4j_O 2Ng0ZzBMWwmy6KpKJ7KyDAc78lrfr1QzP22taaIM1NTGi8sspHJXzQa6LvVI nB0It47yy0h0JMc4BGoKb1k8L.Or3_FOej7FbQMBebn25fHRidk0vu7yizha SJgWJ0PM1jzZAmG62EQfxkeTQp5MauCrn4I1ZRDNmrnLULVxWodkLw8eatHg - X-Received: from [46.195.172.106] by web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:16:58 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: <246558.85472.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1309328218.36449.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:16:58 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Roy - Radios?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=k1G0PrCBhoeiLim59gYWtEE0MV_k6hXLogSrjObwswxLMk4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello John, I using the old car converter with dab and drm and i suppose it has no chip= to DSP or can be in am-stereo. This converter is on sale in germany=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.starwaves.com=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 with the active antenna it will be great to SW listning in cars. It has da, but not dabplus. drm in all bands, old great am bands too, I'm awaiting a new chip with fm dab+ am and drm very soon. Got to do some t= ests with a special car radio first. We can do with am stereo, but in quant= ities, like several 1000 units in one big order. =C2=A0 roy Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: tisdag, 28 juni 2011 21:55 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Roy - Radios?? =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Roy, Do you have a programmable DSP chip in your car radio that would allow you = to install the code to decode the 2 channels of analog AM Stereo? Not DAB,= not DRM, not iBiquity HD, but good old Motorola C-QUAM AM stereo? That would be great if you could provide us some info on that. 73's John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Haha, > so we got more countries with AM Stereo than U S of A. I know that Italy = is running some stations. i prefer am am stereostation with a bandwith of 6= -8 kHz wich now can be open in Europe to am stations. With a proccessor you= can make something with an am statereo station. > We can make car radios with am stereo if needed at my factory, am fm dab+= , soon with all am bands 150kHz - 26,1 MHz AM/DRM. > =C3=82=C2=A0 > Roy >=20 > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: jim smith > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: s=C3=83=C2=B6ndag, 26 juni 2011 14:51 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: Re: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am st= ereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! >=20 >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 >=20 > Hi Roy Thay where talking about Austaila. Motorola AM STEREO was very po= puler for a wile down under. Thay should bring it back for the rual areas. = If DAB is any thing like AM iCRAP it bearly make if out of the citys.Jim S >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > Wich country was it??=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A0=20 > > Roy in Sweden > >=20 > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92=C3=82=C2=A5n: toledohamradio > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: onsdag, 22 juni 2011 16:12 > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=BEmne: Re: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz= never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! > >=20 > >=20 > > =C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A0=20 > >=20 > > I bought an AM STEREO KIT from Dick Smith Electronics from OZ! > > It worked on both Harris and on Motorola AM Stereo. > > Oz did indeed have AM Stereo on MW in the 80's and 90's! > > Magic 693 was one of them. > >=20 > > 73's > > John > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Fri Jul 01 01:45:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58496 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2011 08:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2011 08:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2011 08:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110701084513.WRST28461.nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 08:45:13 +0000 X-Received: from ian56817f068c9 ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110701084513.OXGQ3272.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 08:45:13 +0000 To: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 18:45:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: Acw3yzE9GaHdDC07SHu2PaQUUMiymA== Message-Id: <20110701084513.OXGQ3272.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> X-SIH-MSG-ID: rh81END3TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7zhKrM7hNL2xD9cNhKPOmQqYq/0X4/Qs+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.152 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: The fightback of AM radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been recording the radio ratings in Melbourne, Oz seemingly forever. Here's something I recently noticed, and sent to our Aussie radio discussion list. I'm wondering if AM has similarly caught up to FM in North America. _ _ _ The really interesting statistic just over 10 years ago is that total AM stations rated 38.7% of the ratings - total FM stations rated 53.9%. (Non-rated stations rated the other 7.4%.) Last month total AM stations rated 43.7%, and total FM stations rated 43.9%. (Non-rated stations including what was 3UZ on the AM band accounted for 12.4%.) Would anyone like to venture an idea as to why FM stations were almost 50% more popular than AM stations 10 years ago, but now they're pretty much equally successful? Maybe they could start with how AM radio is supposed to sound inferior to FM. Then they could do a case study of a new entrant ... like Vega - now blandly called Classic Rock ... which is pretty much the slogan of its main rival. Finally they could tell us how the new digital radio format DAB+ is going to be the Godsend of FM radio stations. Let your ideas run thick and fast. I've been saying since 1980 that I've been disappointed in commercial FM radio. Not for the sound quality. Just the product. The ABC and community stations sound wonderful in FM. Over to our experts ... - Seagull _ _ _ And now ... over to our experts in North America ... Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jul 02 20:51:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36988 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2011 03:51:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2011 03:51:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.52) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2011 03:51:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2011 03:51:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.164] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2011 03:51:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2011 03:51:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 433322.56521.bm@omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 63677 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2011 03:51:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: O2SDTi8VM1ldAk7kSNkznzR4kxMuKbRBrm3GO_.uTbdsrE_ 1pzLhR3nbhWkxrgCHxJEvz.Dw2EW0.CjMMIxq_CbEl2uukAJuNpAIkmIFXV5 Dl7W55efm5P0UYjTlWqNTyfx5Qe7bT_ibaylnJ904QSZbs_l7Gv0PeTVaSpN ACkConGbfAUx3G7xdr1QRXBZemNhDo91PIs7j24FkftaI644RM4CO9y5aJds ROr.p4j3uOg0RIVpg7GjXHVop6Tp_pokxWAtmnsbmWOfwVDVPzaz7Yht7VSc nY_LoMb1KBDt9_POFmC5vpkWERR5XRmSf9CMP5buVJzSOGWyWuoZhW2ix72F O_LtXVKWVbjjJs2ItR_Rfkz0F6RcklF8ecTglexEEAmIvZHdH.U4hMP2PdAF LPTyUe4s0KBrT X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 20:51:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1309665076.24994.YahooMailClassic@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 20:51:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: re: The fightback of AM radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=-IolGeGtEqMxn_8-T_fYKGkBUQ4-CNTsZI3GNTjohedgjlCWyUsRNEw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ian, Amazing, that AM is nearly the same as FM ratings in Oz; could be because O= z and Canada tended to have much higher quality AM tuners, and many AM ster= eo tuners with decent bandwidth, so AM in Oz did not suffer as much quality= degradation as it has in the States? Content is KING, so perhaps what AM has to offer is Oz is what people want = to hear? Also, do the AM stations in Oz advertise their stations? =A0 Here in the States, I almost never see an advertisement for our AM stations= , and they are only about 15% of the ratings - EXCEPT - in large cities wit= h 50KW clear channel frequency stations, so cities like Chicago have 2 or 3= AM stations in the top 5, as do many of the "3 letter stations" end up in = the=A0top or near the top of the ratings: WBZ, WLS, WLW, (WJR dropped from = #1 a huge amount, and=A0that's from NOT being live and local=A0anymore - no= r any local music programs on the weekends).=A0 In 1980, it was still about= 50/50, but has been skewing towards FM ever since. =A0 Perhaps the US broadcasters=A0should study the Oz radio markets and see why= their AM's CAN thrive while ours dive? =A0 73's JohnnyElectron=A0=A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sun Jul 03 01:57:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15133 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2011 08:57:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2011 08:57:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.149) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2011 08:57:00 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110703085658.TTOS23624.nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 08:56:58 +0000 X-Received: from ian56817f068c9 ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110703085658.CLFD3272.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 08:56:58 +0000 To: Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 18:56:56 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acw5NHm2TN8Nl2qMTOi2UhfXMXHAIAAI9n0g In-Reply-To: <1309665076.24994.YahooMailClassic@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Message-Id: <20110703085658.CLFD3272.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@ian56817f068c9> X-SIH-MSG-ID: oxo7FtL9TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU6nmLbM7hNL2xD1cNhKPO2cqZqT0X4/Qs+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.149 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} re: The fightback of AM radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Johnny Electron > Content is KING, so perhaps what AM has to offer is Oz is what people want to hear? > Also, do the AM stations in Oz advertise their stations? G'day Johnny Yes - content is King. Our AM stations all have a separate image and deliver a sustained reliable product. They don't advertise much, and I wish they did. The FM stations are pretty much clones of each other and all seem to try to copy FOX-FM (thankfully nothing to do with Rupert!). We are also blessed with publicly funded ABC Radio, which has one AM station in every major market. The ABC local stations are usually the 2nd or 3rd most popular station as they provide a great local service completely commercial free. They also have the most comprehensive and respected radio news coverage. Whenever there is a disaster people automatically tune in to "their ABC". Commercial FM only arrived in Oz in 1980. They didn't really get ahead of AM radio until the early 90s when the government allowed two stations in major markets to convert to FM. The stupid management at several AM stations paid a fortune in a government auction to convert. Most paid far too much and went broke. Both Melbourne stations that converted to FM (3KZ and 3DB) individually went bankrupt in the next couple of years and are now controlled by Clear Channel. Now ... there's a good reason why they don't rate as well now as they used to. In over 30 years here commercial FM stations simply won't take risks. They all sound loud and similar. Many shifts are presented by standup comedians - good and bad. We've never had any try a different formula ... like easy listening, good music, news oriented, or talkback. It's all too safe. Digital radio will also help the AM stations more than the FM clones. Today I went to the MCG to watch my beloved Collingwood Magpies. As digital radio is a few seconds behind real time I had to take my old AM mono Sony Walkman rather than my great sounding Sangean DAB+ walkman. AM reception on the tram was abysmal - yet I used to put up with this when we had AM stereo. Digital reception is so much better. You either get a perfect signal (98% of the time) or you don't. Mind you - FM reception on the tram is marginally better than AM, but not a patch on DAB+. 73s Johnny - and Good luck to the Toledo Mud Hens! Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jul 03 14:06:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94159 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2011 21:06:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2011 21:06:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2011 21:06:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2011 21:06:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2011 21:06:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:06:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <246558.85472.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=aLLays17W8ATVOBIFOpnHrtuPKEOAMMkzUUhlxZssqsXcr3K3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan This sounds very interesting Roy, of course as you probably know AM stereo = was tested in the UK back in 1990 on Radio Orwell on 1170 Mhz but was soon = stupidly dropped...with a number of high power relays on AM in Europe now b= eing switched off be good to have some new am stereo broadcasts...dream on = ! I think Country 1035 in London also did some testing along with Capital Rad= io on 1548 khz, wonder if any ex-engineer has any in studio tapes ??? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Haha, > so we got more countries with AM Stereo than U S of A. I know that Italy = is running some stations. i prefer am am stereostation with a bandwith of 6= -8 kHz wich now can be open in Europe to am stations. With a proccessor you= can make something with an am statereo station. > We can make car radios with am stereo if needed at my factory, am fm dab+= , soon with all am bands 150kHz - 26,1 MHz AM/DRM. > =C2=A0 > Roy >=20 > Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 26 juni 2011 14:51 > =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it = was dual mono LOL !!! >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 > Hi Roy Thay where talking about Austaila. Motorola AM STEREO was very po= puler for a wile down under. Thay should bring it back for the rual areas. = If DAB is any thing like AM iCRAP it bearly make if out of the citys.Jim S >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > Wich country was it??=C3=82=C2=A0=20 > > Roy in Sweden > >=20 > > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: toledohamradio > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: onsdag, 22 juni 2011 16:12 > > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: Re: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am ster= eo, it was dual mono LOL !!! > >=20 > >=20 > > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 > >=20 > > I bought an AM STEREO KIT from Dick Smith Electronics from OZ! > > It worked on both Harris and on Motorola AM Stereo. > > Oz did indeed have AM Stereo on MW in the 80's and 90's! > > Magic 693 was one of them. > >=20 > > 73's > > John > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Jul 04 23:51:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77148 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2011 06:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2011 06:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.240) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2011 06:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.181] by nm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2011 06:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.62] by tm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2011 06:38:10 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2011 06:38:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 577160.92477.bm@omp1031.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 36961 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2011 06:38:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MCwktmgVM1nv5Id6b9Wn9HtX4d08cFK2U8mahonfdV.gY2D U3RfwZ8bEByKPMdL0GW4c6.EGE.OHtnjQcfCJ4q5ISPzKvgyG0NYErNYBiwO cp0eouNdTkTx6IZK.H_waRC7uFHknWcNVKR0JGmPUOpvEpr.82fSaDCkWhJr qJiP_F7E1gtv4pE90vyB2vjECkELOCCjsjp3_ffLaPGsvaQivfZ7CGhlTdiE 8sG9Ste.eZiO9JOHfRV2E6cZXLZe.hwYpGugO2fTYWbYiDaOC5HzuWvBGuXf H03DlVeIOFG_gRDohlDNbqMrD0yCUMy1ePIoKyzsM_VpjDsO.4vI2L4ZU.AW aPfWMKlr_FCIMdyByxBN9cDJHPw3no9x62AmBHVKJBwG5gIirHqFjPow5gdp ggJpHP9Qgo78huuvYCSa_O38kQiWBSWEP5J.1aCy9D2n0Z8igc.GhJm3pyGq JilL4..dDHcAsTwOd1v1pS8gM5H2ULcAniSnfeKEP62jRXRy91YZZQEAkjUn SUuJDulzQsPL_GK8xfvYAK0T7NlXbklxJ8qRQ9Qg1i_TzcqEMWxSdSfJ8Jwb 0RYZHYCZHtsFDS5GfW7KzHMFn6Ja5I3u.sodAQmCUuKkD9LxAHLKP4BYuFw7 xGu6PGiPNSgjbjIhTV0EfMUGn3KHIR2EDwtbOmMQ7sbLtP5y56qFDSZj3Skl uUs.EwTbv1v1SiAhY_Fi.hm_X9nTy5pGRdc9r7MdTi3JPhszKTnf9bq2rMM0 YczYyd6YxR_34LsAck_wA6bu3ygB_vil3vgjhJ8I- X-Received: from [46.195.153.173] by web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 07:38:10 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: <246558.85472.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1309847890.33131.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:38:10 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.240 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=8Lv3uJddEWMj2PMNNSrQE57cawgiU-5d0ypIDPa6fhF75Ao X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi radiots, to get AM stereo we need an audio bandwith of 8-9 kHz, 4,5 kHz is to small = and a bunch of idiots want to switch off AM broadcasting in Europe. Force AM/FM stations to continue on DAB only wich even means less of broadc= asting facilities.Much more less. Roy Fr=C3=A5n: amstereofan Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 3 juli 2011 23:06 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, i= t was dual mono LOL !!! =C2=A0=20=20 =20 This sounds very interesting Roy, of course as you probably know AM stereo = was tested in the UK back in 1990 on Radio Orwell on 1170 Mhz but was soon = stupidly dropped...with a number of high power relays on AM in Europe now b= eing switched off be good to have some new am stereo broadcasts...dream on = ! I think Country 1035 in London also did some testing along with Capital Rad= io on 1548 khz, wonder if any ex-engineer has any in studio tapes ??? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Haha, > so we got more countries with AM Stereo than U S of A. I know that Italy = is running some stations. i prefer am am stereostation with a bandwith of 6= -8 kHz wich now can be open in Europe to am stations. With a proccessor you= can make something with an am statereo station. > We can make car radios with am stereo if needed at my factory, am fm dab+= , soon with all am bands 150kHz - 26,1 MHz AM/DRM. > =C3=82=C2=A0 > Roy >=20 > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: jim smith > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: s=C3=83=C2=B6ndag, 26 juni 2011 14:51 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: Re: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am st= ereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! >=20 >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 >=20 > Hi Roy Thay where talking about Austaila. Motorola AM STEREO was very po= puler for a wile down under. Thay should bring it back for the rual areas. = If DAB is any thing like AM iCRAP it bearly make if out of the citys.Jim S >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > Wich country was it??=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A0=20 > > Roy in Sweden > >=20 > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92=C3=82=C2=A5n: toledohamradio > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: onsdag, 22 juni 2011 16:12 > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=BEmne: Re: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz= never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! > >=20 > >=20 > > =C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A0=20 > >=20 > > I bought an AM STEREO KIT from Dick Smith Electronics from OZ! > > It worked on both Harris and on Motorola AM Stereo. > > Oz did indeed have AM Stereo on MW in the 80's and 90's! > > Magic 693 was one of them. > >=20 > > 73's > > John > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jul 05 16:03:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12673 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2011 23:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2011 23:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2011 23:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110705180239100097100010> for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 18:02:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E13980A.6010104@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 18:02:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 18:02:39 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <246558.85472.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1309847890.33131.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1309847890.33131.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110705-1, 07/05/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=HRvk2VXABtuwcU_rCK-0iEbrH7wpEogDyYLbeqZJceUDaqP0BykW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/5/2011 1:51 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi radiots, > to get AM stereo we need an audio bandwith of 8-9 kHz, 4,5 kHz is to > small and a bunch of idiots want to switch off AM broadcasting in Europe. > Force AM/FM stations to continue on DAB only wich even means less of > broadcasting facilities.Much more less. > Roy I know they've already done this in Finland. Any idea of what the penalty is for running a pirate AM transmitter in that country? Scott Todd From radio774@yahoo.se Wed Jul 06 23:32:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35455 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2011 06:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2011 06:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.238) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2011 06:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.213] by nm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2011 06:18:23 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.43] by tm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2011 06:18:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2011 06:18:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 485188.95224.bm@omp1028.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 15024 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2011 06:18:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hdGMPioVM1mFdgjD01fEvNNrDbiaQ.yjXkuzoUb79ehyNcf Akhl5Dx3Utl9tU6RHN6TPAjvQqlBMLMWCsqJYL2xmBVB9ElrP5bvf5fn.o0A jwAVMuo.ofMaY.MHNwH0TX14T3eBjHX0h9iroWaSMuQvdtiZ_Rd2d_6mImC8 CuZTF2_zCaGvpOcaFKpbGkO_d0Yc2mHKc9cr0DdVDddR0lY3.2.a2CFfb9Ay M5P9YTa9yEzSdCU28xQk4pHzrpqeFvS0Dg_J3yRpaJe5Wm2YCjuD3nq_6sGT 8LtmaAEi9whj9qqBl.aZLOr9mjvvBccAR3h2UmWwEP51LDP9X0e8MQIQeymZ .Kz7MC1IEyft.kNEphFocmvW1Sr_9r6fTuQqzcOWbos0eGLxfqFxtO43dZLp 3Dc8WVflEOM9HiTe2FPS1LJ9naQhUi1KGS8YDrHnTt_YltIct._DjoxYkE0Z _ks7pmfqLG57oKVYf74CF0aiX_sCA9IfMOHfShLDCx2kGkmBpwFiyedUfvOL c0a4TdcfREyHp5XcRusn6zq.jJWJGa0uZky2BfZ9lJf6Hfh9AD_KIIi3FYbO nL8uFHrzzMnZM5TfHpdZz69DaR3TfqwDQuB1ywnnB.kJy1Nrs4ITNlK_Kqqc d_qI98QV5TS2nbKscDjrOC42l6jM36a01s_p7nUziILWZ9zZ3LGv5HHvVM0R bfznDu2XkN3Mjx1gh5ZE8WK7715IZedx3iu5n9_kNDf7kxayWSb2OCE3wJP0 PEimt6QDJ0xE- X-Received: from [46.195.39.121] by web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:18:22 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: <246558.85472.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1309847890.33131.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4E13980A.6010104@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1310019502.13589.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:18:22 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <4E13980A.6010104@usfamily.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.238 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=roU3AHkqCdswlz59eauGzBHbRatksOR4Ekd3FglAJmYojic X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, Finland didn't switch on the DAB non dab there. FM only and don't allow AM = broadcasting wich is against the EU law of broadcasting. Finland has about 40-50 cordinations of am frequencies aviable. 558 kHz in Helsinki is off-air 50 kW Harris DX-50 TX wich can run DRM. =C2=A0 roy Fr=C3=A5n: Scott Todd Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: onsdag, 6 juli 2011 1:02 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stere= o, it was dual mono LOL !!! =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On 7/5/2011 1:51 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi radiots, > to get AM stereo we need an audio bandwith of 8-9 kHz, 4,5 kHz is to > small and a bunch of idiots want to switch off AM broadcasting in Europe. > Force AM/FM stations to continue on DAB only wich even means less of > broadcasting facilities.Much more less. > Roy I know they've already done this in Finland. Any idea of what the=20 penalty is for running a pirate AM transmitter in that country? Scott Todd =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jul 07 13:21:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98077 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2011 20:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2011 20:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.108) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2011 20:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2011 20:06:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2011 20:06:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2011 20:06:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 20:06:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1310019502.13589.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.108 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.154 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=SDrtfEmnYCmugdosp-kaCK5znYoMWC_38jrgyfuX8SZljP1p1A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I wonder if there is some technical, or another non-technical, reason to fo= rbid the AM stations there, ??? I read a paper, many years ago, about some extra noise the AM stations add = to the VHF TV channels. But, I don't remember some kind of scientific proof= about that issue. Any idea? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Scott, > Finland didn't switch on the DAB non dab there. FM only and don't allow A= M broadcasting wich is against the EU law of broadcasting. > Finland has about 40-50 cordinations of am frequencies aviable. > 558 kHz in Helsinki is off-air 50 kW Harris DX-50 TX wich can run DRM. > =C2=A0 > roy >=20 From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Jul 08 08:48:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59792 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2011 15:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2011 15:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.248) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2011 15:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.211] by nm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2011 15:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.163] by tm4.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2011 15:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2011 15:48:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 75024.97103.bm@omp1004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 30218 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2011 15:48:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DIiRRCAVM1mtb0qmfjPWLGNwG6idpqqS88Ev5GDyMqCjEZC nHfztwWkVD01SKW.8aQECEQVHM4mqEo_aiCt4wHaOqEGX2l0qNxMQvGXqj0V 7iZcgqk.YTr24ad3SA96RP0HobmCBd4Bhwy7_XJNR3.duJEvwKWOZNZUH8ma D1kCnF9VyDc8W11XpUm.xJFllO2oEOB4zJRxPyefct8asFzbgyXg..1g8k6q z69VHHztCoyN7aNOlX9FLkTQ6jfC4qrSiPAPrecit6U_SqAsuMwpPfI91N6k rymvOvZZeC8pLe.yINcjo4wT5TDjYaCpmbW8GHqH44v5puvMxX7J3_P6Dwuz zv8_3e6y4o9Qk8d6Y2cvBJP3JteYEMCnhZbZqWOrRgMuJw0mVAuOxm17sGe0 ssF5qjnEUzQHfXaDXFQKg4HiMY8ZN_BCRsg14CNAyMOV4NN5fhgki3RGg_xM elQWADBf0cPUtJHcv18H07WskGoxx6R9kVPPHScMHgMHuzwObSvgUQ28pxCg 44go110y594hxwvFxLj59V.OsdTGHPrylN7Ly6w0YEtTNUNb6oNlu9q_wSYH rqAIf4Wn90UUpcS0LlQhZ39ilHKH95JHFc4Go9gFP1gat6E4KIrtUKb3fOFT oCAYGBVbWJglgLRsozld2qhEJZWBuOFtKtz01.1CIpVn4nAAXeRKenBv_pwG 3WnJ2X1XeCKd38HiBDyQlAITdD42J2ON7zYvkGFIkMTavqWKgZPcfVGWW3In oqC3HBmfJ6hgtSMqbv9aVaaGCthBZWla4 X-Received: from [46.195.10.50] by web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:48:01 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: <1310019502.13589.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1310140081.29261.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:48:01 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.182.248 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am stereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=5Xo1CIw4Ysrfs_7f0_QLeHV4AQyKsXdcZVw5stLLUFoTovU X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, well got to ask Kari Kangas at the frequency dep. in Finland. Will take som= e days. Plenty of incordinated AM freq. aviable in Europe, not in service. =C2=A0 roy Fr=C3=A5n: Jota Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 7 juli 2011 22:06 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {AMSF} Aussie Tech Heads - Oz never had am s= tereo, it was dual mono LOL !!! =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi!!! I wonder if there is some technical, or another non-technical, reason to fo= rbid the AM stations there, ??? I read a paper, many years ago, about some extra noise the AM stations add = to the VHF TV channels. But, I don't remember some kind of scientific proof= about that issue. Any idea? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Scott, > Finland didn't switch on the DAB non dab there. FM only and don't allow A= M broadcasting wich is against the EU law of broadcasting. > Finland has about 40-50 cordinations of am frequencies aviable. > 558 kHz in Helsinki is off-air 50 kW Harris DX-50 TX wich can run DRM. > =C3=82=C2=A0 > roy >=20 =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 02:46:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70265 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2011 09:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2011 09:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2011 09:46:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2011 09:46:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2011 09:46:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:46:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.40.54.11 From: "Amy" Subject: Re: AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=lrMTzK0XGt2oax2w4nDbSwvZhuCXkDQ3UTD6vpWhYuJtn2r9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if someone tested an AM Stereo system (any of them) with only va= cuum tubes technology... ??? Some idea??? Results??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > H'lo, Juan- I thought I'd poke my nose in here to see if anything of inter= est was mentioned, and I see your post, asking about something I know about= - AMS reception with tubes! In the late '50s and early '60s, RCA was testing out various methods of AM = stereo (I've seen at least 6 different patents from RCA just for different = AM stereo systems they were working on at the time!), while focusing on the= ir AM-FM AM stereo system (L-R signal transmitted as a narrowband FM signal= on carrier- Similar to the Belar variant experimented in the late '70s and= early '80s, though the Belar version was much more restrictive both in ban= dwidth and in low- and high-frequency L-R). In 1961, they published a paper= that discussed what they learned from the various systems as well as about= their own system. What's important about this paper is that there is a sch= ematic in it for an all-purpose multimode AM stereo receiver USING TUBES, a= nd is analogous to Sony's all-mode AM stereo chip from the SRF-A100 and SRF= -A1, made 20 years later- In both cases, the ISB matrix is separate or miss= ing. On board, however, were FM (modifiable for PM), envelope and I/Q detec= tors- The core detectors used by more than half of the 12 proposed AMS syst= ems in the 1950s/1960s and most of the systems proposed and tested in the '= 70s and '80s. You can see this paper for yourself, right here, but you'll need a DjVu vie= wer/plugin to display it! Just go to this directory: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/ and download "rcareview196009.djvu". I personally think this paper is one of the best reads on AM stereo ever pu= blished. :) BTW, the reason AM stereo got scuttled in the 1960s was due to a certain AM= S promoter and inventor who didn't submit the papers that the FCC wanted, a= nd threatened to sue anyone and everyone if his system wasn't accepted. Fun= ny, he did the same thing more than 20 years later! I don't know if I'll be back here soon, as I'm just poking my nose in. But = I did want to let you know that yes, AMS with tubes has been done. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jmrouse@mail.com Thu Jul 14 09:14:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26405 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2011 16:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2011 16:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.mail.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2011 16:14:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17182 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2011 16:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from 69.171.168.30 by rms-us005.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:14:15 +0000 Message-ID: <20110714161416.256350@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: 6Sc5ZgrDiDz7YU0W529paJJrZml1ZJhl X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=7D5UVb20gQY6LUKbo7tEzBBAJcphsKSpMe35v_as5WMZVr5Z4G1y X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Amy, Good to hear from you. We were wondering where you got to. Feel free to dr= op in again. You had some great posts. I believe the entire group feels the= same way. Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Sent: 07/14/11 05:46 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo vacuum tubes way [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jazzeum@yahoo.ca Sun Jul 17 08:29:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jazzeum@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87102 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2011 15:29:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2011 15:29:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2011 15:29:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2011 15:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2011 15:29:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:29:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 174.35.246.14 From: "jazzeum" Subject: Looking for AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52903432; y=wfqOaf2-jrEqRe-3WUoJzQxfewuBU_EZs0v2z-363iiMcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jazzeum Hello, I'm looking to convert an existing AM Broadcast Station to AM Stereo. With= many HD radios supporting AM Stereo, we are once again at a time when ther= e are more AM stereo receivers coming onto the market.=20=20 As for IBOC on AM, the technical and business aspects (licensing costs, har= dware, etc..) just don't make sense. Does anyone in the group have a BE AX 10 or Delta Electronics ASE-2 that th= ey would like to part with? Are there any other manufacturers of AM Stereo exciters available? Thanks, Brian From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 17 21:26:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14832 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2011 04:26:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2011 04:26:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2011 04:26:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2011 04:26:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2011 04:26:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 04:26:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.22.169 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Looking for AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=2JL1YNzF5OjdC-OO-tK2zF7-qOkO8SI9-ZNA1NTDy9TD2jtQH_XzqVofWQZIPp_g2CCElzC5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Brian Where is your location? So we mite know where and when to start = enjoying AM STEREO!!!! I have no AM STEREO stations in my area neer Sacra= mento Ca.Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jazzeum" wrote: > > Hello, >=20 > I'm looking to convert an existing AM Broadcast Station to AM Stereo. Wi= th many HD radios supporting AM Stereo, we are once again at a time when th= ere are more AM stereo receivers coming onto the market.=20=20 >=20 > As for IBOC on AM, the technical and business aspects (licensing costs, h= ardware, etc..) just don't make sense. >=20 > Does anyone in the group have a BE AX 10 or Delta Electronics ASE-2 that = they would like to part with? >=20 > Are there any other manufacturers of AM Stereo exciters available? >=20 > Thanks, > Brian > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 06:46:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10876 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2011 13:46:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2011 13:46:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2011 13:46:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 13:46:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 13:46:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:46:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.197 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: AM Stereo vacuum tubes way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BY_OhnTtlLI2JY9fS_sgUMlUuY-bMq9Fd719weupdESn9-eecA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Amy!!! Nice to meet you, here, again. Thank you so much for your data!!! BTW: I assume you don't like ISB AM Stereo system, but, please, Do you know= some good performance tuner with an SIB decoder available today? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy" wrote: > H'lo, Juan- I thought I'd poke my nose in here to see if anything of int= erest was mentioned, and I see your post, asking about something I know abo= ut- AMS reception with tubes! >=20 > In the late '50s and early '60s, RCA was testing out various methods of A= M stereo (I've seen at least 6 different patents from RCA just for differen= t AM stereo systems they were working on at the time!), while focusing on t= heir AM-FM AM stereo system (L-R signal transmitted as a narrowband FM sign= al on carrier- Similar to the Belar variant experimented in the late '70s a= nd early '80s, though the Belar version was much more restrictive both in b= andwidth and in low- and high-frequency L-R). In 1961, they published a pap= er that discussed what they learned from the various systems as well as abo= ut their own system. What's important about this paper is that there is a s= chematic in it for an all-purpose multimode AM stereo receiver USING TUBES,= and is analogous to Sony's all-mode AM stereo chip from the SRF-A100 and S= RF-A1, made 20 years later- In both cases, the ISB matrix is separate or mi= ssing. On board, however, were FM (modifiable for PM), envelope and I/Q det= ectors- The core detectors used by more than half of the 12 proposed AMS sy= stems in the 1950s/1960s and most of the systems proposed and tested in the= '70s and '80s. >=20 > You can see this paper for yourself, right here, but you'll need a DjVu v= iewer/plugin to display it! >=20 > Just go to this directory: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/ > and download "rcareview196009.djvu". >=20 > I personally think this paper is one of the best reads on AM stereo ever = published. :) >=20 > BTW, the reason AM stereo got scuttled in the 1960s was due to a certain = AMS promoter and inventor who didn't submit the papers that the FCC wanted,= and threatened to sue anyone and everyone if his system wasn't accepted. F= unny, he did the same thing more than 20 years later! >=20 > I don't know if I'll be back here soon, as I'm just poking my nose in. Bu= t I did want to let you know that yes, AMS with tubes has been done. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 06:53:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9468 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2011 13:53:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2011 13:53:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2011 13:53:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 13:53:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 13:53:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:53:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.197 From: "Jota" Subject: C-QUAM to ISB converting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_8yehYQ3GxMy4lqdlCrnZWhD4muGvFi7P2fAcCTKMrOWyk8rHA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody can help me about this: To convert an standard C-QUAM AM Stereo exciter into an ISB AM Stereo Excit= er, we have to: 1) To eliminate the final RF limiter. 2) To eliminate the "I" modulator. 3) Phasing at -90=BA the L-R signal. Am I right? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America,, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 06:54:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69788 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2011 13:54:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2011 13:54:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2011 13:54:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 13:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 13:48:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:48:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.197 From: "Jota" Subject: Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=kIGqrPHftX-_e4zufWff1d29USLh70CBLk66oxT70-1ni8eOGw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody knows if we could get, today, an special kind of autoa= dhesive tapes which we could write with an special "punch" machine, in a wa= y that the characters remain "in relief" on the tapes surfaces. Any idea, please, let me know. I often used it to remark the devices (mixer, etc.) to avoid errors on the = personnel, and it worked!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Jul 19 08:03:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78296 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2011 15:03:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2011 15:03:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2011 15:03:11 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.67]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LOL00H5W5T3TVI3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:03:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <7335076372DF4BE9B4B924F45CFB9D0D@RichardPC> To: References: In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:03:05 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 From: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To my knowledge, these are still made, and are called Dymo label makers. T= hey are colored on one side and have an adhesive strip on the other side. = The tape comes in a roll. There is a little =E2=80=9Cgun=E2=80=9D that whe= n you select a letter and pull the trigger, it leaves a raised letter on th= e tape. As part of that process, the red color is wiped off of the raised = portion, leaving a white raised letter on a colored background. Here in the U.S., as recently as a year or so ago, I noticed that Dymo Labe= l Makers were being carried by Sam=E2=80=99s Club and (probably) Wal Mart (= part of the same company). They would probably also be available from offi= ce supply stores, and I=E2=80=99m sure you can find them online. Hope that helps a little! Dick Tampa =20 From: Jota=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:48 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: {AMSF} Out of topic issue =20=20 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody knows if we could get, today, an special kind of autoa= dhesive tapes which we could write with an special "punch" machine, in a wa= y that the characters remain "in relief" on the tapes surfaces. Any idea, please, let me know. I often used it to remark the devices (mixer, etc.) to avoid errors on the = personnel, and it worked!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jul 19 08:09:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22952 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2011 15:09:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2011 15:09:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.163) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2011 15:09:42 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP38 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:09:41 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([71.229.186.184]) by BLU0-SMTP38.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:09:40 -0700 To: References: <7335076372DF4BE9B4B924F45CFB9D0D@RichardPC> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:09:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2011 15:09:40.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[E20DC7F0:01CC4625] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.163 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=hdxbknLlnMoniuIJZjYL9oxnG6zYwc3PXkY8CQ7zdcyC X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd dont put that garbage anywhere near a mixer or peice of equipment. i restore vintage bcast gear and that adheasive is a pia to clean off without also taking paint off board!!!!! i just want to choke the s@#$ out of people who put that stuff on broadcast gear get a P-Touch it works just as good and easily peels off when you need to remove it. http://www.brother-usa.com/Ptouch/ please do us equipment restorers a favor lol :) From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 10:12:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52080 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2011 17:12:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2011 17:12:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.108) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2011 17:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 17:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 17:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 17:12:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:12:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7335076372DF4BE9B4B924F45CFB9D0D@RichardPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.108 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.197 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=l7MOGWXjJzIkIXehKhDRyzAt0pFZTiohFgwC_UgxeSakjxCGQA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR DATA!!!!!!! You've really saved me!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > To my knowledge, these are still made, and are called Dymo label makers. = They are colored on one side and have an adhesive strip on the other side.= The tape comes in a roll. There is a little =E2=80=9Cgun=E2=80=9D that w= hen you select a letter and pull the trigger, it leaves a raised letter on = the tape. As part of that process, the red color is wiped off of the raise= d portion, leaving a white raised letter on a colored background. >=20 > Here in the U.S., as recently as a year or so ago, I noticed that Dymo La= bel Makers were being carried by Sam=E2=80=99s Club and (probably) Wal Mart= (part of the same company). They would probably also be available from of= fice supply stores, and I=E2=80=99m sure you can find them online. >=20 > Hope that helps a little! > Dick > Tampa >=20=20 >=20 > From: Jota=20 > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:48 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Subject: {AMSF} Out of topic issue >=20 >=20=20=20 > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if somebody knows if we could get, today, an special kind of aut= oadhesive tapes which we could write with an special "punch" machine, in a = way that the characters remain "in relief" on the tapes surfaces. >=20 > Any idea, please, let me know. >=20 > I often used it to remark the devices (mixer, etc.) to avoid errors on th= e personnel, and it worked!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 10:15:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47051 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2011 17:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2011 17:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2011 17:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 17:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 17:15:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:15:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.197 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=fLjhjO_BD3gaJ78Az12TOpl2J-BVq5cx75b4oI4diHt7WwIDlA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 ??? We don't have problems to clean off those parts, because we put it on a cle= ar metal part only. Whatever, I really appreciate your data. I didn't know the Brother's tapes. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wr= ote: > > dont put that garbage anywhere near a mixer or peice of equipment. i rest= ore=20 > vintage bcast gear and that adheasive is a pia to clean off without also= =20 > taking paint off board!!!!! >=20 > i just want to choke the s@#$ out of people who put that stuff on broadca= st=20 > gear >=20 > get a P-Touch it works just as good and easily peels off when you need to= =20 > remove it. >=20 > http://www.brother-usa.com/Ptouch/ >=20 > please do us equipment restorers a favor lol :) > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jul 19 10:19:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14418 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2011 17:19:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2011 17:19:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f53.google.com) (209.85.213.53) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2011 17:19:46 -0000 X-Received: by ywm21 with SMTP id 21so2263977ywm.26 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.91.194.4 with SMTP id w4mr7096319agp.145.1311095985849; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f4sm3951224yhn.13.2011.07.19.10.19.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:19:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=xNiOFspaETHVXPxvURvPuTWvcST_Jkyx_IVvdGxciPOytWu6dnRP5Mfd9uxE6w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Jota wrote: > Whatever, I really appreciate your data. I didn't know the Brother's tape= s. At WCKI, we use the Dymo 'lectra Tag Tapes. They look neater and are not as= prone to peel off. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jmrouse@mail.com Tue Jul 19 13:54:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74019 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2011 20:54:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2011 20:54:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2011 20:54:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13098 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2011 20:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.3.9 by rms-us010.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:54:03 +0000 Message-ID: <20110719205403.85070@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: 09wcewBs33enIg1T/nFzm4UxU3U4Nw89 X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KONA 610 Kennewick WA dropped stereo and other updates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=l9fcN-MJcuACcQSXwSEXQfFaygKlvIig3R9sxd2kcoE-MckV7TPX X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the update Nicholas. That is a bummer. I think the great sounding stereo at WCTC, New Brunswick is gone as well. They switched from an oldies format to news / talk. ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas Sent: 05/14/11 01:38 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} KONA 610 Kennewick WA dropped stereo and other updates [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 20:21:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35746 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2011 12:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2011 12:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.135) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2011 12:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2011 12:43:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2011 12:43:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2011 12:43:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:43:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.135 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.40.54.11 From: "Amy" Subject: The best AM stereo system... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ieI7sQpDGv6qfAr2GElV24qukj_YwA2A5JAWGn5VU-dSr15i X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Someone asked at least a year ago what the best AM stereo system was. My ow= n experience, based on what I've read and heard over the years, are as foll= ows: 1: RCA AM-FM (ca. 1960) 2: Magnavox AM-PM 3: C-ISB (a fan-made system using a C-QUAM variant of phased ISB) 4: Motorola C-QUAM 5: Harris V-CPM (variable or fixed-phase) 6: QAM-phased ISB 7: RCA-Belar AM-FM 8: QAM 9: Kahn/Hazeltine QAM-phased ISB 10: Diode-filtered ISB 11: Everything else. :P Single-carrier AM-stereo proposals have been around since the mid-1920s (wi= th competing QAM and QAM-ISB patents issued by both AT&T and Westinghouse),= but none more colourful than during the 1850s when the big four proposals = (Kahn's ISB and RCA's AM-FM, as well as proposals from CBS and Westinghouse= - The latter using phase-cancelled FM-ISB) and another 8 minor proposals (i= ncluding EMI's use of a steering-subcarrier pilot that determined channel p= osition/separation- ironicly, similar to the phase-steering carrier method = in Harris' V-CPM, and more widely used digitally today in the AAC+ audio co= dec, known as "Parametric Stereo"), or more famously in the '70s/'80s AM st= ereo competition. (The last analogue AM stereo system proposal- and too lat= e for the competition, was a Sansui variant of the RCA AM-FM system, in 198= 7.) Almost all proposals (all but one, that is) for ISB have been based on phas= e cancellation, which uses a rephased Q, fed by L-R just as normal-phased Q= , in an I/Q system, which causes the Q to cancel the I so that the lower an= d upper sidebands carry the left and right audio channels. Westinghouse use= d FM to act as sideband cancellation. The least-known proposal used diodes = to isolate the positive and negative swings of cycles of a carrier, allowin= g separate upper and lower sideband modulation and envelope detection- This= was proposed and patented in 1934, thereabouts. A system that would've been better than Magnavox, but almost as good as the= RCA (without Belar) system, would've used Magnavox's AM-PM with some of Mo= torola's compatibility methods in C-QUAM- Notably the use of companders and= limiters, something no other system used. The RCA system was notable in that there was no increased noise level under= DX conditions, nor was there any phase shifting, and as originally intende= d (unlike the Belar variant), it would've had consistant stereo separation = out to 10kHz/ (they proposed a dropoff similar to the later-proposed NRSC c= urve.) (Belar limited the L-R FM to 6kHz, and filtered out all separation b= elow 150Hz.) The only difference between the RCA and Magnavox systems were the differenc= e between narrowband FM (suitable for an AM channel with high-fidelity and = full stereo) and PM. The only reason Motorola's system really took off the way it did was that i= t had one serious advantage: While it was trademarked and patented, it was = royalty-free. The use of limiters and companders should've been used across= the board, to level the playing field, technically, but the fact that all = royalties were waived was what led to C-QUAM's market advantage. C-ISB simp= ly applies the same phase-cancellation technique used in QAM-ISB onto C-QUA= M, thus having all the advantages of C-QUAM in an ISB signal. Well, that's it for now- I'll leave you all be until the next time I poke m= y nose in. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Jul 20 05:20:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95788 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2011 12:20:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2011 12:20:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2011 12:20:02 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p6KCJxUR022095 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 08:19:59 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgc002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 78D86E000089 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 08:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <62f1c.10aeff8.3b5821ef@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 08:19:59 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444951104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094e26c7ef5683 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=kompH3BY_orldSjFtwMiOIds6IABX_oo52wdQiHTWjp4MIq-6hpp X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I looked at the P-Touch website and it says they use an extra-strong aggressive adhesive on P-Touch labels. What do you use to clean it off without damaging the paint on the front panel of vintage gear? It is aggravating to find dried-out labels that are virtually "welded" to the front panel of a vintage radio receiver. If people knew what they were doing they would never put a label on vintage equipment with painted front panels! 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 7/19/2011 1:15:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > > dont put that garbage anywhere near a mixer or peice of equipment. i restore > vintage bcast gear and that adheasive is a pia to clean off without also > taking paint off board!!!!! > > i just want to choke the s@#$ out of people who put that stuff on broadcast > gear > > get a P-Touch it works just as good and easily peels off when you need to > remove it. > > http://www.brother-usa.com/Ptouch/ > > please do us equipment restorers a favor lol :) > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 05:53:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85506 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2011 12:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2011 12:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2011 12:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2011 12:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2011 12:53:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:53:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: ISB receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=WVenoF_O-qP4cqkJCc0b-wdUuOhopoUec_gkuqdWCO1oiSKPCyRpevw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Juan, If you mean "encoder" - Leonard Kahn probably has a dozen left he'll sell y= ou for $10,000 each. Or you could find a station who still uses their ISB e= ncoder as a "power side" which dumps all the audio into either the left or = right stereo sideband which helped stations with adjacent or co-channel int= erefernce move their power 'off-center" - which did help on manually tuned = car radios, but not so much on digital tuning radios. As far as an ISB tuner, Leonard had a "Stereo/Stereo" Kahn/Hazeltine tuner = which was a modified Radio Shack tuner -saw only one for sale ever. Your be= st bet is to get one of the Sony AM stereo tuners (or variants) that had th= e A/B mode switch and switch it into the Kahn position. That would include= the Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-A1, as well as the "MetroSound" car adapter, and= several Sony Receivers made for Canada and Australia. Regards, John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: Do you know some good performance tuner with an ISB decoder available today= ? >=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jul 20 06:25:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58845 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2011 13:25:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2011 13:25:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.145) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2011 13:25:24 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP152 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 20 Jul 2011 06:25:03 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.122.169.194]) by BLU0-SMTP152.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 20 Jul 2011 06:25:01 -0700 To: References: <62f1c.10aeff8.3b5821ef@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:24:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2011 13:25:01.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DE0A800:01CC46E0] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.145 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=NAhFzIlW306FvrjYiT1qII4i5bNJ4oRTgaqXOLKpL1jT X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i have a p-touch and the adhesive comes off easier then those old labelers. in most cases they just peel right off and use a warm damp rag and a little pressure to remove the little remaining adhesive. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jul 20 06:28:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66369 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2011 13:27:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2011 13:27:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s18.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2011 13:27:55 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP167 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s18.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 20 Jul 2011 06:27:55 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.122.169.194]) by BLU0-SMTP167.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 20 Jul 2011 06:27:53 -0700 To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:27:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2011 13:27:54.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4A0AC20:01CC46E0] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.157 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ISB receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=gPIASj6z6c1z8j7LSdk6bnAx6b-5RpLdLbP2HOPdWzTR X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd isb am stereo transmitter plans http://part15.us/node/457 wbdh radio uses kahn isb http://www.wbdhradio.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 12:56:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29589 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2011 19:42:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2011 19:42:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.57) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2011 19:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2011 19:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.6] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2011 19:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2011 19:42:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 406580.91767.bm@omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 48856 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2011 19:42:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lloXu8sVM1nyqhnWirXoYpBtY3DmbHTP9.K3f8dTKh37Uc_ wN.iMTNujrHsjLcfY0gfJUhzp9yh5NvAiH9.jH6PIuGhZT_3FAbcH3kbmVgn QCL08KF5RSzyr3HnWQ6vK6FnQDEq3XbSuvaNGn8_VLgzM6XZv7.KBNe4duH_ TQPau5v9HRHtlHMdAa2ui_JXuLVl0B1RFIUqId1ChbesG9ifQcwJNPtp16sq Q1_8pqzxik4szwHfuUzkErXeJXE4z5dihQZIA5rL.Og02cfMuZ8EbbusfeNl vJ6iQ1g_A.avj5ecn0AuRpFAigat4biYZ5OW.nHheW1oaEhrjLvT50elPsiu a3JwbZqJxfbqZzpyUrCMvec8FVaLbaUM4DlX9Ysbh7MYpeCWu1b4foQo3lCZ F513adz9W26w- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:42:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.310352 Message-ID: <1311190929.80833.YahooMailClassic@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:42:09 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.57 From: John Subject: New CQUAM Station? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=M0ud-10Bc2La72BK_b4M4IUuBoWv9gAt6EHpJY5Wf0o-wawWMARBnME X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wasn't somebody in the group here looking to add CQuam to an existing stati= on - any luck with getting the hardware?=A0 Is it a music station? =A0 John =A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 13:20:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87829 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2011 19:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2011 19:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.196) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2011 19:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2011 19:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.43] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2011 19:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2011 19:40:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 698146.20497.bm@omp1043.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 91236 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2011 19:40:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3b9a38UVM1mqGjv3cRUHIQwUsN_qNz_0hWRX2EpuC1gMw_B AoLGQTAgAPyu66zqVoEiYodbGZwXZmtDp36a4mb56Bdhf_4YAARpJne0HSzg BL.YXxg02Zzv2h11plk_XibJFq4r67_Jdmn1rxr7ZFAt1MUoBN_q.XQ2Enwc Gq0k.ae3TWXb1qaad5yrgGhkOrJyMCtPrCekh_ARjry3zuRhHf2IAzcpYJL1 zCfTNQqWjeMbHdzG0D9_t9geL2_So7.xx2Ei1BqVsqO2bPr09fh19PoTEYwJ z5cPAMB7qcyAcz37AxS5Ol1bhDrYQIcmjEebG12lK_4FfuIPuWGulW0tVFeI thudWjqx7jiInAYejDVq2HL7MNWzQak2_1iFcYekDG.8hpNjYjTBAX0BKyeV FsMRGVDoAgP6sCICgrm.OOysJottMAYpUUPOf4cMqg.Yo1f7s4_9UXmHkCbN XI5zRyfkBVCknb.G2TclCjPASlupxjePEcpHOqDjliqOXSg25wqjqIo8fyk1 B7Bev_SWNM1j.D2rqvhRGCQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:40:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.310352 Message-ID: <1311190851.75809.YahooMailClassic@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:40:51 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.196 From: John Subject: C-Quam on a stick? DAB+ yes. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=lXBupV0FlixFX3hPkGx0uqsW5c09ATGtnhWoy2CUOJ9Sjin0eDKPNRA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Too bad we don't have "C-Quam on a stick" as they have just come out with "= DAB+ on a stick" - which I'll bet our friends in Oz will be purchasing soon= ! Here's the storey from=A0Radio Magazine: =A0 Nettetal, Germany - Jul 18, 2011 - Noxon Media has introduced a new DAB/DAB= + receiver on a USB stick, in time for the upcoming introduction of the nat= ionwide DAB service in early August. The software was developed specificall= y for DAB reception in cooperation with Fraunhofer Institute for Integrated= Circuits. The Noxon DAB Stick will be available in late July and will cost= about $30. =A0 =A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 05:11:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33744 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 12:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 12:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.136) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 12:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 12:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.233] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 12:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 12:11:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 89345.86632.bm@omp1033.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85838 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2011 12:11:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wkY5RgsVM1n3r04thkBQfgeTcFsAQh_rFh3gMPJVvf0qKfA 6eujbz7hiefgec3mqkg.V.__tAOPC0n97HLnnfo6myLt4t3gExgCwDs_8F_8 FXT9SP_nt2vhqIyCnNHPuoZ4GR.5lJEiJINg4Vxx9UMomtawvmnfCmgx22Cp 3v8I5hkTuWMREu4Kvqp12LmGSQBX1djvImkUULQnAS57HmSTu8cjG7N5oTZ_ WZUxeJrG5Dc8MLsUv6pZ_6O_j0HvMCLp8Ci6_fVKPCxAcSuP9vHhtcST.oEu bSSB1WaDsXDBRyizEdPmyFduvzU4hDlgoA.0czBvofw3s.V06FxNnx0qLQRv ECFIilAWLRkDuRQZr4PrKF2jrHTrWzu3FiwOEO5dcXbY3f6uw_ITftx6M3pT NxUvt7waccmMtsdqSV84y2d.N4K7XmKui_PHnCFTcKZLpqln7uIpkoK3Ducq l3AUMOu_JciV6p7_S8B0GtsASnJ2kd2MYVTScI5O7c8jHxaL.Eo2DBagI78T 25PLGoSLnyK5NQV4dkQrWdDmRJxQOLEFRpq4LvFDTTw6QFL9hRtCMtw6aDHI oWhw5ghqpspOKBrV3lX9USSSjbN9my2IbBJmU196flCutAeO3M1kRzfo3vU3 wi2_sa5rmFCupIO.3paOfeoBsPcLnXmefh5w1mf9q2pMSLEO99jSp0ou2NYE uXoA.iXaYQwOp1CEKXFlQwW6fXtkNedESpJcOrkFtL1Jqy6wcuDMknL7lNnG Mwr4BaoSpGyPHU3OyKoF.Wxn9vSlsDu3Dp5abfonnT.AtQ.CcW8ZcGUR4dOZ uCeOpGS1LUhvWbEOak0NnJ1m8KLoClcLTnq4d_kfIcIApBhRAe.CcqSAbCh6 ifWB7nckQU4VgwSxsnUzcDZ.S_GwHrbu_14fue1g4Cqb_LL0R9_Z0sRoaWx4 SMr5Y_CaPOOqgJplokSF_S4WSIBP6eq45PERt3jzOkhZCQSdYLBOPDt2Crwp m.Egkj_3HIe_0k70Hes_I7DlRlLwxY3yGTV7gXMoAJ01ma7iKU7Cuhkd.HBG PTY0zcOqoJq15k.JfYWD3EUzNv_iqwVC1Dn8UjMIU5e2etvLV_B_eGU_n5sd Rcq7Xxb3emi2fVdK5HHH3OjTN5geyhTu5rkd9XDyw14qMNyS9MAju_g7UFZf JHt1chbKLFkxMmkyCBBDXBO3oKNIF_UWmYH1AmQxoYWBXlqXVReW3zVITsmp SKj4GYWPM9reqVHZXBL5__11y5m7mOYHX_Mbu0lrxtSZ.fVyJxsORkZ6zvWG emzOATCyaoMFy9c4jjCC4_sBHkQLsGwgEaT32FFp70.YBd.xJGXSaL7gcRRq .Qkmt9EjtK1Or3rLwD8qEhZD3j_dpKH_XKBnU6o7aVhiWfIFsgCZoWfay3Re bBfYwt9RuyiSIUF_Rpp.__DRndZpne32b8OFpRhdBLT7gNsAaS6TDds.ur63 7r3cDc8XHuvthfYA1EbRTcBpDNqH0msWNdORMMi37cM8p.0duK16qMLxkoHg oaIHNZ.wPCUVHCmHaLDKxmPIxCuiY6LtQnayZAJn3YfbJVRJZolA8Iv.awBI tn8GpsWXJ6R4Gdcb49KLqtKQzJ3V_ZIW3mCnygWmJG0BmgXTMldfEo4bLmkk tsqLgbkSpPKjQ3d1dZhm6UZitG94ZN8Spw9txjnQrwR5G.owmgN9cUt1s.RR DF5ZUnuamIIbXBveQZ2sxoVLh6bQjzBD2Ih2D.TMG.mZhSaBwtsmnpRANke7 Y3EmYyKQ1PKIfCUQlq8g0ogGjpgqZuDpho5OyxgrhyrSFhAI31mJcxpy.hEq 9UXO3jd4GOrx5YptFfgGYLgsf4zgVREKVZhxajS3_VEXm65GwKRZZzpufMwq sbMpyR.ch0sUPids1C7CyRUZvY7ncWaJhb_y_DyOCcY4IrlXPsJDhjiRn3C7 jhqsIRQWqPg_6vOJWolMqY_w5HyGwCfQBci4BtmYZL74YDyIs8XVP4cn7ZdA i9kcxO1y8ZMU7b2AU8dq95r.7cDtK40AkFYJbGYhUlazS5IzDRBA2qH4XqOG .dos- X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120521.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 05:11:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311250281.84197.YahooMailClassic@web120521.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 05:11:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=ia-dRSo8IowzkGORGkrTn1jLMfNqiqlJ4cPT8-ZNgeMUqNSemanK X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was one guy who was trying to offload an exciter for a long time.=C2= =A0 He may still be around.=C2=A0 He had a Delta but I forgot what model. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 7/17/11, jazzeum wrote: From: jazzeum Subject: {AMSF} Looking for AM Stereo Exciter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 11:29 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hello, I'm looking to convert an existing AM Broadcast Station to AM Stereo. With= many HD radios supporting AM Stereo, we are once again at a time when ther= e are more AM stereo receivers coming onto the market.=20=20 As for IBOC on AM, the technical and business aspects (licensing costs, har= dware, etc..) just don't make sense. Does anyone in the group have a BE AX 10 or Delta Electronics ASE-2 that th= ey would like to part with? Are there any other manufacturers of AM Stereo exciters available? Thanks, Brian =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jul 21 05:50:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15564 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 12:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 12:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 12:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP175 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 21 Jul 2011 05:50:10 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.122.169.194]) by BLU0-SMTP175.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 21 Jul 2011 05:50:09 -0700 To: References: <1311250281.84197.YahooMailClassic@web120521.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:49:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2011 12:50:09.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[B92155C0:01CC47A4] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=O7ljG9T6RY_SyYLMtO6IUq1cdnefucEysCG3HO-GcDnB X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd sold it on ebay to a guy in italy From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 06:42:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70012 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 13:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 13:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 13:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 13:42:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 13:42:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:42:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: ISB receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=R4m68rvLSgO8NGdcUYo9t2PiXlMSy-AxWkVwR10wF6jJvT_itb-tBs0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow - that ISB transmitter board even has the 15Hz pilot encoder, so the So= ny and Sansui AM Stereo tuners with automatic system detection would actual= ly be able to 'switch' to Kahn mode! I wonder if anybody has a PC boards made to build these? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wr= ote: > > isb am stereo transmitter plans > http://part15.us/node/457 >=20 > wbdh radio uses kahn isb > http://www.wbdhradio.com/ > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jul 21 06:58:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 760 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 13:58:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 13:58:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.174) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 13:58:44 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP179 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:58:43 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.122.169.194]) by BLU0-SMTP179.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:58:42 -0700 To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:58:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2011 13:58:42.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C9470E0:01CC47AE] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.174 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ISB receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=RO_VuKoADoll6bxEHm8PyKz_cvD0ksL8J9PICYR9oScg X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd no, entirely custom. you need to make your own or get pcb express or some other board maker to make them From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 07:06:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56956 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 14:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 14:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 14:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 14:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 14:06:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:06:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.14 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: ISB receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=K2GPGRtxc_GQv5Rasbh1XarqcuCSzPi0vLqxIkVitOFtOjm5bg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Very good question: Why not to use PC technology (digital domain) to create= ISB and/or C-QUAM AM Stereo transmiters and tuners? ??? I think the people who knows how to program a PC (Windows or MAC), has enou= gh skills to make it. And I bet it would be cheaper than the standard "hard= ware" solutions. Basically, to create an ISB AM Stereo exciter, the "software" should have s= omething like: 1) To create the basic stereo matrix (L+R and L-R), sending the L+R signal = directly to the audio digital to analog converter (to feed the standard AM = transmitter mono audio input). 2) To phasing the L-R signal to -90=BA. 3) To create the station carrier, with the I carrier at 0=BA (In-Phase sign= al) and phasing the Q carrier at 90=BA (Q-Phase signal). 4) To create a balanced modulator to modulate the +90=BA Q carrier with the= -90=BA L-R audio. 5) Join the Q modulated carrier with the I (unmodulated) carrier and send i= t to the RF digital to analog converter (to feed the standard AM transmitte= r RF input). That's all folks!!! But... Who does it? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Wow - that ISB transmitter board even has the 15Hz pilot encoder, so the = Sony and Sansui AM Stereo tuners with automatic system detection would actu= ally be able to 'switch' to Kahn mode! > I wonder if anybody has a PC boards made to build these? >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wro= te: > > > > isb am stereo transmitter plans > > http://part15.us/node/457 > >=20 > > wbdh radio uses kahn isb > > http://www.wbdhradio.com/ > > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 13:37:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51304 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 20:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 20:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.66) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 20:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 20:37:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.245] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 20:37:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 20:37:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 765279.20569.bm@omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73600 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2011 20:37:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KYzEmxMVM1mDV61b5eObj_MYD0_kOWO_wJLYIVE4Pvzh.BP r34yiFs3vZzD7fmA7izHorUCFjbHAn40Mdew6AyjTgSMYQzVDMDDNUMfvMlU JOfvoWGjQ3nddLgkUqhG3BNpKgBfRhpfHHlT9F2Flae_z9jWtqY31cOjLslb kge8j9fzhVp_p.qPbPLN2VcKFHomlfSF_bKnomo2jzWDfarrH8gKiwv2Ohfr goSaybeC1pKKles6Tm7Wz35aMKs0OwQyS_N7Vn.dFPAgN4jrml0b6uV6qRoH 9cDoXQN854Xv8jVfRBYTFo9un9DJUlG4J5AI1N5v27Lb7P2tY8MIHnyi3neg W6OGgb0tqBoKOqODhejpBimOtVtTwVWbIpngTDPyZZ4xbL9spC7Vgiw-- X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120521.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:37:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311280659.62804.YahooMailClassic@web120521.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:37:39 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF , "A.M. Stereo" , "A.M. Stereo Only" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: The list at Meduci X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=fQs4or7BVdfizYwudfIuJKdX9aCfLmliCYFqTFQFHlH9gTlJFDjU X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All of the Alaska, Florida & Hawaii stations as well as WGTN-Georgetown, S.= C. were delisted.=A0 I'm making some calls but so far WWBF confirms they no= longer transmit A.M. stereo & WRNE confirms they ARE transmitting A.M. ste= reo.=A0 The other stations in question are: KHVH, KIPA, WCNZ, WVOI & WPCF.= =A0 I will keep the list updated.=A0 In the U.S., we are down to 80 station= s & I question KBSU being on there because Topaz Designs has them as an IBO= C station.=A0 Not criticizing, just trying to help.=A0 I also edit the temp= late "AM Stereo radio stations in the United States" on Wikipedia & since "= original research" isn't allowed, I can't add WRNE back until it's verified= by an outside source, hence the Meduci list is the source I use But, the woman at WRNE was very helpful & wants me to call the owner back t= omorrow morning after 10 (Central Daylight Time). 144 stations total: 80 in the U.S., 14 in Canada, 11 in Japan.=A0 Central &= South America each have 5 (P.R. & V.I. are counted in my count towards the= U.S.); Africa, Europe, Mexico, Taiwan & Thailand have 4 each; Hong Kong ha= s 3 stations.=A0 Australia & the Phillipines: 2 each.=A0 Indonesia, South K= orea have 1 each. A final note about KBSU: it is being sold so maybe the IBOC will go off & C= -QUAM will be turned back on. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 13:55:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61531 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 20:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 20:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.71) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 20:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 20:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.244] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 20:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 20:55:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 919491.34923.bm@omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 4443 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2011 20:55:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0KezrMUVM1k3aLKiW2F9QQ0ZJt832DwQEdVXHRkWAKfL27b eYRKzziQ2wOLiLP8XBpTa4N6XU6idpVT7rLuGn7svL2wQ6VgALPmV62_3KG6 4cM2cLtS9_zS4OaHTU1qrsyDOPSONgxGcfrnuh8OHY59OVuZCiozw1BKUUcV VevFjn_B_b8nR6WBx9H_toXZRKt198UmSxxRrlV4Cc_AGEoMsBDqlsixxxAV 2jIbMB2HHFcx56yZf2Gz8MqS.XjrfpFaAmyjm5AJNIQlJ8s3onm6fC69XY.P iCpgRmTNECg_hi3zxFUE.sx3jzRBbJT6rHaAUA5zMAyIM26J64hwN9nwDd0B zexlDWr1IUZZD19PpC14Rox5OdMhjoTfkVfip6VHCygY- X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120526.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:55:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311281720.3255.YahooMailClassic@web120526.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:55:20 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.71 From: JNR Subject: WGTN/1400: Georgetown, S.C. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=hsDVKgCpnkev9AUjSXoTprrNbQJeTa0w7pEi16p_aAAy9VJ4rZrf X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They say they are still in stereo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:01:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30847 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 21:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 21:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm20-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.180) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 21:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.86.157] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:01:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 284390.89052.bm@omp1015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 9197 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2011 21:01:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ptA6hWIVM1mvS.zy.wbq3pYIjbXWP_VceNljbmWNOi0A8Cc zq7YRZ_UzdG5IdNVxLyeSBu_AIYdOy24VqlSLQGYG9MeXsDjUIrz2lDUvLaN FFDlyNMUiBIaQzHo72ZpibYsY8.kiEf8YdOhduZEPna4KvJYQho_6LmAyhTB MyGJhhN5WgGwz.PpU7gJLQuA1C7tcRt2gRi5LuMIGCbd0xMXLpI3ntJLPnMA JBrBLIh.H8ClPFnKmYbKoVJB_veAzEpMTaackek.gEdzTPrSjAdfhOP.bAdb 3JBFuW.uCV1oQxI4MMfm60nIzzFDohEs7c.VM7jclvxBjWR4oy78nGJjLZQb fUKxiajHYymf_uVm62mXhu7YhZP6vMjuLne0GZW_wDgw- X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120526.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:01:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311282076.4775.YahooMailClassic@web120526.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:01:16 -0700 (PDT) To: "A.M. Stereo" , AMSF , "A.M. Stereo Only" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.180 From: JNR Subject: WPCF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=hxYzC9cnmpDcVuE48MSy6UzAq0kuC3T2uMBjE3QNFWa_dqOdLyDr X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to their general manager, yes they are. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:09:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86024 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 21:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 21:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm30-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 21:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.246] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1060.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:09:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 453113.32939.bm@omp1060.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 27508 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2011 21:09:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PQR75WQVM1lSTZIGvCS9vTeEtBMSH5kxOn70Whi4Y_8y9Va 7rWRRUE_1T0.VC_dejxzj9XDYknblZoxZ1V0m7F.h9X9fUCRhd_O_e4.N8U. 4nxDG_wxgV8U5yo0mxIIO5JntY.9huihaHqlf3jsfj1PkDWEcV_gfaFPA96x GEd0HVY5oO2G.RgkrxSalk1smEI5nssMUvGyN4HiYlEvq8Rigf9K8b_uqvRZ Kppu1NoharY7BLa0bNao9MVfcJaTA9o5TPqQaSk9u_WYj1LOWzJkb.9RuWaM AM5O_507yD9DcGfmc_sJ5C9jjbdXxT3fTDx2kwXNgMSkvSAHPKvvCdsrZ.8L IP2qQVRV4kTMRJN.jjLXgKeDb6gick4Kcbs5XhNCVpQ0nf9vH4gmW X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120527.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:09:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311282572.87985.YahooMailClassic@web120527.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:09:32 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF , "A.M. Stereo" , "A.M. Stereo Only" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: KIPA/1060 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=lQmRm79LCHqqiyMItDVBLuz0q973EkwAP1SIQUPUD324EIIswZ4g X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No contact info for them thus far.=A0 According to the F.C.C., KIPA went si= lent on 10/5/10 & was up for auction this past March. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:10:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31642 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 21:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 21:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.94) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 21:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.6] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:10:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 14359.67347.bm@omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 36947 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2011 21:10:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: W6rWByoVM1nJHS6KZGi.yU4E6FA052KZWetGEbVH6tUl9wo T_ytExYjKLIDLRY5XItlkXYfOJk00aDbBloZ9A97q13SD27qFu494dL8jy5. T22HKIAsscrTwIT.g7u5sJMoh2xfw8xRd1f6twf7i0jKtSPgKoyG2.0rXz2K k1nGL7IcmmAkavGNz0jPK6Q7zW3qKseeCJLgBKUuueqbW0osj6p82wL.npN9 BmtMunAgjsSGJvQV.GrGOFl.8Ym6QovI3WnobxLGMFlh2xnpj2oX3BJSCliV Vp51oqc2gVcKlistsc4xOXkWtTPjvbY.4Eoe6tkWPnX9CK8zNo5dg9bnCxSz kC_HQzzxZtNGajjdLG_X9FwBSCyf8i7UaqZQdyZN8CjM- X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120524.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:10:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311282649.36708.YahooMailClassic@web120524.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:10:49 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF , "A.M. Stereo" , "A.M. Stereo Only" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: KINY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=yz6_h_e7TT3W6j-OlEMek2qrinSacjCSem0a3yfu5rMPZOc2mfTw X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Confirmed by their chief engineer that they are no longer stereo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 14:59:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13279 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 21:59:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 21:59:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.59) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 21:59:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:59:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.165] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:59:30 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 21:59:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 375373.14803.bm@omp1021.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 1566 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2011 21:59:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5RvOoEAVM1nFGF5f0P02wDCpym5yxgv6xiLIJvSI45n6SRx pK6Y9tdMmF95i9olNTBlWZEnYGzJhKmULYpmirxSpNP.lLdE2SEFOMeMs7q. 4vH4vFH3Feid9hAsAaugOC4NSHu5HMOXKRvBP_oS.cr9OR3dRjNRL.pGtYPW pYBAeFRQU8Y9Jb4OZTfa8Dnk1AX7nVyWxHPdbk9cvR3HW0YrCsEWK7M0qDpf Ssv_8_MHVLO1reAW..zWUxN32pE46G02tKS2uEk03RZSuFDNnTO6_aOP7NUo 2iJPsen22OBY9jQy6bPbss9ermGB_uCHBCCyqyXghNCBAhgEzE1oih5yqfl0 3cH8EHsx6PflmGn4y8Q88Wg6COtPbNGUUajFLhldiIk0TJxaM3_N5zXbWfFK Plc7tlqel2eLbGHyDbCULZkGBXwK53IDZZc_0KlCwegDAIEkzXONfs09YBZ5 eW5kawgvp3EYfEMd.8FESvj8Z65a0aMy3SzXJcqUqZODpbUCTNIWGEZo7jCz p10_VmSOvAM2XHCK.4H2iNjrYq_8iP4GfbzF2IyQuhprbGeHbR5yz8bkML6j XoI5ZZRC3dQmWxgIY8022SpnHNSzIvhYnKuG4hKF1Idh6KVhCTsQxqabA8Mi RcpMg6O9eLo2CzMuBfc.RwI_oWDoqpEF10uJaVRN7OgK5JLn9SU8dnFnn0q_ 7YgmhOo.LFLSMwZFFWiIAAzc_OdEEmrJnq_SnYjEtuz74svGD1NCGhDT6wZr .VzwP0hVrZZ8qOdnKIs8MFKVeOs0uICgAS1CEiJfLMq64Fqk8Pq2bhYuu95C 4WJAosa61oeKpwDF_9hlW X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120523.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:59:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311285568.98052.YahooMailClassic@web120523.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:59:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1311280659.62804.YahooMailClassic@web120521.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} The list at Meduci X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=gXDQJLUYzB0GerLpr9gg9IpxklRr_GAIcJFKV8Y0hP0qfAz0g5yQ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Upon further review, I made a mistake with WGTN.=C2=A0 They were never dele= ted but WVMR was, which was the only station in West Virginia.=C2=A0 I'll c= all them tomorrow to ask if they're still in stereo. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 P.S.: I thank Jeff for maintaining the list of stations. --- On Thu, 7/21/11, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: {AMSF} The list at Meduci To: "AMSF" , "A.M. Stereo" , "A.M. Stereo Only" Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:37 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 All of the Alaska, Florida & Hawaii stations as well as WGTN-Georgeto= wn, S.C. were delisted.=C2=A0 I'm making some calls but so far WWBF confirm= s they no longer transmit A.M. stereo & WRNE confirms they ARE transmitting= A.M. stereo.=C2=A0 The other stations in question are: KHVH, KIPA, WCNZ, W= VOI & WPCF.=C2=A0 I will keep the list updated.=C2=A0 In the U.S., we are d= own to 80 stations & I question KBSU being on there because Topaz Designs h= as them as an IBOC station.=C2=A0 Not criticizing, just trying to help.=C2= =A0 I also edit the template "AM Stereo radio stations in the United States= " on Wikipedia & since "original research" isn't allowed, I can't add WRNE = back until it's verified by an outside source, hence the Meduci list is the= source I use But, the woman at WRNE was very helpful & wants me to call the owner back t= omorrow morning after 10 (Central Daylight Time). 144 stations total: 80 in the U.S., 14 in Canada, 11 in Japan.=C2=A0 Centra= l & South America each have 5 (P.R. & V.I. are counted in my count towards = the U.S.); Africa, Europe, Mexico, Taiwan & Thailand have 4 each; Hong Kong= has 3 stations.=C2=A0 Australia & the Phillipines: 2 each.=C2=A0 Indonesia= , South Korea have 1 each. A final note about KBSU: it is being sold so maybe the IBOC will go off & C= -QUAM will be turned back on. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 21 16:37:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64542 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2011 23:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2011 23:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2011 23:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 23:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2011 23:37:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:37:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1311285568.98052.YahooMailClassic@web120523.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.104.40 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The list at Meduci X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=SKFOh9TL2YdxMYxoaO1usiede2MQRtVgzFFItLoT6Ee7iYVz1bGwsaCyPvZmGLHQ16aV95yr X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang You would think with all the online resorse that AM STEREO would be= doing better. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Upon further review, I made a mistake with WGTN.=C2=A0 They were never de= leted but WVMR was, which was the only station in West Virginia.=C2=A0 I'll= call them tomorrow to ask if they're still in stereo. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > P.S.: I thank Jeff for maintaining the list of stations. >=20 > --- On Thu, 7/21/11, JNR wrote: >=20 > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} The list at Meduci > To: "AMSF" , "A.M. Stereo" , "A.M. Stereo Only" > Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:37 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > All of the Alaska, Florida & Hawaii stations as well as WGTN-George= town, S.C. were delisted.=C2=A0 I'm making some calls but so far WWBF confi= rms they no longer transmit A.M. stereo & WRNE confirms they ARE transmitti= ng A.M. stereo.=C2=A0 The other stations in question are: KHVH, KIPA, WCNZ,= WVOI & WPCF.=C2=A0 I will keep the list updated.=C2=A0 In the U.S., we are= down to 80 stations & I question KBSU being on there because Topaz Designs= has them as an IBOC station.=C2=A0 Not criticizing, just trying to help.= =C2=A0 I also edit the template "AM Stereo radio stations in the United Sta= tes" on Wikipedia & since "original research" isn't allowed, I can't add WR= NE back until it's verified by an outside source, hence the Meduci list is = the source I use >=20 >=20 >=20 > But, the woman at WRNE was very helpful & wants me to call the owner back= tomorrow morning after 10 (Central Daylight Time). >=20 >=20 >=20 > 144 stations total: 80 in the U.S., 14 in Canada, 11 in Japan.=C2=A0 Cent= ral & South America each have 5 (P.R. & V.I. are counted in my count toward= s the U.S.); Africa, Europe, Mexico, Taiwan & Thailand have 4 each; Hong Ko= ng has 3 stations.=C2=A0 Australia & the Phillipines: 2 each.=C2=A0 Indones= ia, South Korea have 1 each. >=20 >=20 >=20 > A final note about KBSU: it is being sold so maybe the IBOC will go off &= C-QUAM will be turned back on. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 73, >=20 > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410. >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Jul 21 19:34:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54206 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2011 02:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2011 02:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f51.google.com) (209.85.161.51) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2011 02:34:32 -0000 X-Received: by fxh10 with SMTP id 10so4589934fxh.10 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:34:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.79.67 with SMTP id o3mr278895bkk.19.1311302071097; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:34:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.49.68 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:34:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:34:31 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ISB receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=v-adH8vQciysECCQn1kJFGr7tVMD9OG4WCzdpfKsR9zgX_t7 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, this is possible to do with Software Defined Radio (SDR) but you still need hardware to feed the on air signal to the computer (antenna, tuner, IF etc)= . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software-defined_radio http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki You also need an analog to digital convertor (ADC) to feed the computer. If you use some clever tricks (quadrature signal processing), you can use your soundcard's stereo line-in inputs to be the ADC. If we have an electronics person on this forum, I'd be happy to buy an appropriate device so that we can experiment with Software Radio. The gnuradio hardware is expensive (http://www.ettus.com/order). On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Jota wrote: > ** > > > Hi!!! > > Very good question: Why not to use PC technology (digital domain) to crea= te > ISB and/or C-QUAM AM Stereo transmiters and tuners? ??? > > I think the people who knows how to program a PC (Windows or MAC), has > enough skills to make it. And I bet it would be cheaper than the standard > "hardware" solutions. > > Basically, to create an ISB AM Stereo exciter, the "software" should have > something like: > > 1) To create the basic stereo matrix (L+R and L-R), sending the L+R signa= l > directly to the audio digital to analog converter (to feed the standard A= M > transmitter mono audio input). > > 2) To phasing the L-R signal to -90=BA. > > 3) To create the station carrier, with the I carrier at 0=BA (In-Phase > signal) and phasing the Q carrier at 90=BA (Q-Phase signal). > > 4) To create a balanced modulator to modulate the +90=BA Q carrier with t= he > -90=BA L-R audio. > > 5) Join the Q modulated carrier with the I (unmodulated) carrier and send > it to the RF digital to analog converter (to feed the standard AM > transmitter RF input). > > That's all folks!!! > > But... Who does it? ??? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" > wrote: > > > > Wow - that ISB transmitter board even has the 15Hz pilot encoder, so th= e > Sony and Sansui AM Stereo tuners with automatic system detection would > actually be able to 'switch' to Kahn mode! > > I wonder if anybody has a PC boards made to build these? > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" > wrote: > > > > > > isb am stereo transmitter plans > > > http://part15.us/node/457 > > > > > > wbdh radio uses kahn isb > > > http://www.wbdhradio.com/ > > > > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 05:19:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66661 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2011 12:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2011 12:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.128) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2011 12:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 12:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 12:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 12:19:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:19:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1311285568.98052.YahooMailClassic@web120523.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The list at Meduci X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=hTyxBn5mO4Oxw9ykqtFFEk-fG3IUD5BTH_4JUdBWUPPPFiRVk7TsEFc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The CQuam station list was much larger when 80% of the Radio Disney station= s were in CQuam before they were shoved into IBOC HD. RD stations were a natural for CQuam as Chrysler had boatloads of AM Stereo= tuners in their popular minivans 15 years ago. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 05:28:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93517 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2011 12:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2011 12:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2011 12:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 12:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 12:28:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:28:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: ISB receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=wWM5riEetpgw9q0VI9nKwUFQEGccaQvHXLNe1PeJLepJ8lTtzDJ99mo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio software defined radios for $1500 each? From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Jul 22 06:50:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19434 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2011 13:50:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2011 13:50:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.166) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2011 13:50:52 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP58 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:48:53 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.63.39]) by BLU0-SMTP58.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:48:51 -0700 To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:48:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2011 13:48:52.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[17432940:01CC4876] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ISB receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=8_z7R6y1meuD0GWPzWHNflH0b-yhCfmAj5skTejtitTA X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd software defined radios for $1500 each? yep, some of them even more then that. sdr aint cheap From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 12:12:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7173 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2011 19:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2011 19:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.52) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2011 19:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 19:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.198] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 19:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 19:12:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 523034.78636.bm@omp1056.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83678 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2011 19:12:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ureAnfkVM1n.1hY3GwtvBCQVzjdm2K6rg3TfMiVJe2F7BqU bGDGt_vzdD36JaXOvLK9MMYtabaQo1zPLVo6izX5d3jBzK7TuajhVGrYQvdD 0hixzHCtgHPp.sU72lOQPS29y13yfMU7k3.59rdqQQiZm.AOaDXx7xvlpktE i06qPfbnZ._g7l37wVPGxIOn64LIwMSZ8SPj_pyLhTWhunpvqbyXfOr6Xf5C F2frIrfaoWxhAna6vqPYUsfVDg8aCugpFgYwRvAW1X3z0fKEnFH0VuZn7Zn6 QJOBvsR5dcCUT2AlHVFKvPX11dD9NrcvmZDfJbHybCdfsYfn4RwkxQ0Oji39 .1tTsrPI5fEPxTlzgXIESVgb9wQFwULXqUbKrYqQbrewrHvPY8akFBGrxgSk S_JvydOITjv0UAkynT.dHEim2NDBrV6mD0V4FYoRUNIRCewP3mcrAXNZguc8 gI_eeBiNQCD.JP3IAqlng2C2NZzuQ9d0gaOXLIAbG8MaStYtTFeQ04mttn7w F67wWWKDtS2X3feDmZLBb1saElQv8XKnf3KIKByY3vfT3zk.iWLa8TG26t0R OTVtIijGrP9Xrh_uc0jA3RBuou8YXmP56q3n269FS7rmqpEt7dqgfnkyy_8k 2GiwrC9N6yoIdkXBcAVnffa4LXK5p9Yl4FVSUiEm7wJO7lanXLBfrO8Gz3oq mAVhxJSslGZSGEOwgWFaLHtNh2OL9IzquOs7xZVUUQGG2x__ub_MWQed4S2l YssguzALuoIEsgaCVWpUebuc8dKFQVIM9RqCldR3vGlhnXfKV_sDicSstp6u HmY3DhJWQcJnGB3wyeMwc X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120523.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:12:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311361929.67525.YahooMailClassic@web120523.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:12:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.52 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} The list at Meduci X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=uzq_vBW7wyioPpeZEjHab2-tUVQ27qIHpFYL7uvwoneJF6-QEF2I X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does Chrysler still include A.M. stereo in their vehicles? We can add KFAL/900 in Mo. to the dropped stereo list.=20 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 7/22/11, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: Re: {AMSF} The list at Meduci To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 8:19 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 The CQuam station list was much larger when 80% of the Radio Disney s= tations were in CQuam before they were shoved into IBOC HD. RD stations were a natural for CQuam as Chrysler had boatloads of AM Stereo= tuners in their popular minivans 15 years ago. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 14:18:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51919 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2011 21:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2011 21:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2011 21:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.8] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:18:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 494334.51464.bm@omp1008.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 62203 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2011 21:18:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kfuLiPoVM1l47cE6V1R4mKbFcqrHhbhXsQTMYGz7DbmS0Kq KED0CxvAvCVu6I1xKnbtGizugJLouxAjEpzJjnEtKtJ0CJPllDogwPsXNEon t3hZJN2NXBvkyLO74ve.iDFCku_73421j7sPhp08sqddZakHeWA46S9GdQTT LzI2YXA5fhpdTJV0emdYfcFq0rlDBLNUP2vth_RcILGCyQa81YrrB3.oKt3g UZzkMaBfn.d.V.oCPc9_eEMjl24vZsH.Lc6rWQs5SikRYc5e3_4PsZDQ8N.1 Loc5NNxZjxA0Cy8EWKXMu.KL8MB9RAOUMlMfAkDVl0ipreUKKSOjj7__LfxS tCIKZozg5EeVhgHUNBx.adP5M6gRX1Wqy1yJmK8NnmrHP09C0O6uJ X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120521.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:18:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311369535.60373.YahooMailClassic@web120521.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:18:55 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: More updates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=OmVFD6Xdd6wuCxK9YEUWlAR7H5Rja1ZpKF1lT5kAw3WVUMAVmpxk X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Connecticut: WREF is now WAXB & ID as "B107.3" (it's a translator). Idaho: KOUU moved frequencies & didn't keep the stereo on. Missouri: KFAL/900: off because the new owner doesn't like it. KXEO/1340: still on. KUDL/1660: still on. That's all for now. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 14:29:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90540 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2011 21:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2011 21:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.94) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2011 21:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.3] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:29:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 532521.13799.bm@omp1003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 49683 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2011 21:29:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Tr7MJlIVM1lQvPqJvdJ27NbsvcTVBtGT2mx6RI2ufEdNk1P CVmroHbaiy78bbGW5SbwENr8m1EZiI_R5t37Phc0tcvvAiCQ3808ZLIZgR.I eGj_LqpiMXpg_t5O63iMmOpPbVkD47VJXs1ocx8wg1PByrfAbae4Hv1zVu5k oHL57KmgBaASDZtyhRrFYFTJ8ATK5RFiMHUv9Vm27HTxCVh9RyEVUx5gZSdb AkxTY.pZyOf0e96hbyHPtg3wASc24UpL8BRfn4wlRTslyz1gzYb8WYLOtrJn ws.l9skpNdUpttWOJsfPFOmNE5dtxyMzvvf2Wg0i.EGJsap6QRp.fZjPpF3f kJopKdane6zro7yhwlBLWhlWUJBGdIU66P0p.qGYCWvAhOuSq.uDb8GizBjo kJFxgkhfmzAA1GOe5GE4HqyuI1XcGlw2GhN4PJMxt9Src1p1FJOfmijhfSJF SjEVJIAqKO0qMEYp1m7mIRSTCE.SkL.y2lJ0cZaKz81PfLfRnrsgKMlc6WOT Ypu0K3t1uLsB_oBUuc_BtBTG.vLWHGd.JYCDC9mMcpnKYfWMSssOOfqfPMrY dV8CPGzBWFPU_KOrH58pvT3SF7SI3BNIbEFGGbXwHc4wtMtDmEfRcI84Lsb7 gigeQxE_10.FsDgtZ1PLSMyFJyBKDxzgbslrr0YG2J6Y8Mz2ykmkeeNVbWjZ NI8Ng3N.U4ZKnzSB0OK.6b3YpagH2M9qHefBZc1bX9N0ru9fjxLGN_oo8SyL TVnnXQZ37eSuKPPPyQiCZvaAPLZxzFR3Wcdt3BlvMHFBZKjBKyQ9gUgSf X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120522.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:29:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311370161.41674.YahooMailClassic@web120522.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:29:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1311190929.80833.YahooMailClassic@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.94 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Station? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Co9Xy_7HRIiPV6GIlIVrWBE8B-p_n4ol3E19nKzIZ4LjbJfSKnTB X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It might've been that other guy but a while back I had mentioned something,= so here's the update: we're slated to get a new Nautel box this fall.=C2= =A0 There's a new processor (Vorsis?) & the audio is sent via Barix.=C2=A0 = The only thing that would stop true stereo is the board which is jumpered s= omewhere.=C2=A0 He also owns another station, a dark 50kW/5kW which needs a= new box & towers.=C2=A0 I'm told if he finds a broker to buy all the time = he'll replace the towers & get a box capable of doing 50kW (the current one= limps along somewhere between 5-30kW). 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Wed, 7/20/11, John wrote: From: John Subject: {AMSF} New CQUAM Station? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 3:42 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Wasn't somebody in the group here looking to add CQuam to an existing= station - any luck with getting the hardware?=C2=A0 Is it a music station? =C2=A0 John =C2=A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 14:38:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38750 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2011 21:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2011 21:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm10-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.140) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2011 21:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.236] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:38:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 208053.50919.bm@omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 4990 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2011 21:38:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a.zfN0cVM1m_F0z23j52fVhjdmoKtIXFaWMJ15LmHiZ6bqg b9cAqSAycnpdlENmLWCtUe7LVuD6QMCK.kQv3vBhuZ7__SMm0LdrDmcvFT0x y64GtmGrsEwxAiDaEJ1x4rJGBcWDeAycDa7khPUx5OjMaLs.BuqxXW4.qk2G ig6.J2xy5Nl2sWao1jFk64GIfPQZfGAJJImMn.7g_gojNcHJQ.ag.TCBiom9 bos9s_w6S_2VLR6j56f99WhNEKauOn6EZQJ1XTYQeTaurGqYn7aRrnVByisZ i9gC8jgkrxMEYXzza01J66tOETZf1KF1FfR4IyccLFYadwPaziGMELHmlB0U bTmse85qAzCMzonxEa0yHHMTcbxCpoy0omO11NuowKMk854zDUFu3Wg-- X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120526.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:38:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311370691.79327.YahooMailClassic@web120526.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF , "A.M. Stereo" , "A.M. Stereo Only" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WVMR/1370: Frost, W.V. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=bekFtUCd5eWmBfobs6qURti1XvwdDW_4ntgJqmMI2m0pbWi4eXbG X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just spoke with someone at WVMR.=A0 He wasn't sure but would check on it = & will call me back next week.=A0 I asked that, since they're non-profit, i= f they aren't stereo if they'd accept a donation of a stereo exciter.=A0 I = don't have one but someone here may & I think they're a 501(c)3.=A0 I'll fi= nd out more next week. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 14:42:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49985 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2011 21:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2011 21:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2011 21:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.197] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2011 21:42:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 17461.42922.bm@omp1055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 95774 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2011 21:42:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CG.WUCEVM1lN1k.A3bQWF0V8qUF99DAu7nF.wz6MM63pxfQ Xk4pweeniiObVLXN4HlpTHSr9WjrzHtRHM6wx0ObYZOdWcLTvzXApCGMzbOw lLXET.a7lgLpubJ7NBhWx0ZE05vyToWb.KPsuGM.Z7S8TuJcsEmfgPYyvnVf xm2SNzKVbpEGiYPBFOEsEOU7wE9L8Tcqz81eHvqxf4ZFsikY71bAd7vYnmT8 0GPCf99JxV.RR0tHPx1Sw1pCcLEyKdeHh7GEZa8uEYvlkfX6ZT4XtB5KxVIZ H1KvB8IZlvuIwj9ern8EmIg9DfJklJe13axqvJPQX5i95nJdW_koBjZ8juva sBmZ439Vnspl2mqQ.6k3Hak4QSf95YUtt8R860Kkm0JGYwsq3QVPBNOKJGP. 2wqYxO.nEs98HwglPyQXGa.xHlg2pG5rUTjrHuJdo6XcVSljdlKtphP8g9CS O556UKZ_tyf.OqD.dthdgPAASbn5gjNHGzhrlKywze66eG11TOKw6skWYyq9 axfaqlxjdAYA_FGFLjpz4Q_OPd80bv8o89l.1Dooe8j2JYUTq0TyBLU3pfKT rvN9E2D6cYdcZLs6EHdIRZmS3a5.lEnADlMdlINugdCP21ybvmNa6WU_NTYM Sj1HqwbL4eir4u_Ocim8ucOC_Oz3MKhABliBL5TS1qfOuLq6vw8bHcYQW3Ox eUikvNuc3A5JzP0X1_Rxl2B0NvZTlCsDi9KbEAc5DX_FQoNIiOgvsw7zxd5d RR4vMIswfZfXKVcuwq4LdZFrHuMey3P_hUoJwKqYLRN0TKP5qVwShkhNq X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120524.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:42:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311370961.95111.YahooMailClassic@web120524.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:42:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} The list at Meduci X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Y_Dg0he10hNMQUIsPk8t1tIM2anzIERQiHVNnUNpTr13i7bf1mO- X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's little combating someone's dislike for it & it seems A.M. Stereo is= one of those things where everybody that knows about it has an opinion.=C2= =A0 I mean, if an engineer smashed a box (as allegedly happened in the '90s= at KBOI) then it's a touchy subject. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 7/21/11, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} The list at Meduci To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 7:37 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Gang You would think with all the online resorse that AM STEREO wo= uld be doing better. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Upon further review, I made a mistake with WGTN.=C3=82=C2=A0 They were ne= ver deleted but WVMR was, which was the only station in West Virginia.=C3= =82=C2=A0 I'll call them tomorrow to ask if they're still in stereo. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > P.S.: I thank Jeff for maintaining the list of stations. >=20 > --- On Thu, 7/21/11, JNR wrote: >=20 > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} The list at Meduci > To: "AMSF" , "A.M. Stereo" , "A.M. Stereo Only" > Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 4:37 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > All of the Alaska, Florida & Hawaii stations as well as WGTN-George= town, S.C. were delisted.=C3=82=C2=A0 I'm making some calls but so far WWBF= confirms they no longer transmit A.M. stereo & WRNE confirms they ARE tran= smitting A.M. stereo.=C3=82=C2=A0 The other stations in question are: KHVH,= KIPA, WCNZ, WVOI & WPCF.=C3=82=C2=A0 I will keep the list updated.=C3=82= =C2=A0 In the U.S., we are down to 80 stations & I question KBSU being on t= here because Topaz Designs has them as an IBOC station.=C3=82=C2=A0 Not cri= ticizing, just trying to help.=C3=82=C2=A0 I also edit the template "AM Ste= reo radio stations in the United States" on Wikipedia & since "original res= earch" isn't allowed, I can't add WRNE back until it's verified by an outsi= de source, hence the Meduci list is the source I use >=20 >=20 >=20 > But, the woman at WRNE was very helpful & wants me to call the owner back= tomorrow morning after 10 (Central Daylight Time). >=20 >=20 >=20 > 144 stations total: 80 in the U.S., 14 in Canada, 11 in Japan.=C3=82=C2= =A0 Central & South America each have 5 (P.R. & V.I. are counted in my coun= t towards the U.S.); Africa, Europe, Mexico, Taiwan & Thailand have 4 each;= Hong Kong has 3 stations.=C3=82=C2=A0 Australia & the Phillipines: 2 each.= =C3=82=C2=A0 Indonesia, South Korea have 1 each. >=20 >=20 >=20 > A final note about KBSU: it is being sold so maybe the IBOC will go off &= C-QUAM will be turned back on. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 73, >=20 > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410. >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Jul 22 15:07:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6383 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2011 22:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2011 22:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2011 22:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP25 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:07:27 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.63.39]) by BLU0-SMTP25.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:07:26 -0700 To: References: <1311370961.95111.YahooMailClassic@web120524.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:07:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2011 22:07:26.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD870B10:01CC48BB] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The list at Meduci X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=c5fYFtSVpjCk_xTQ4r3jZb_VJ-CdgjKngfYGloxo2Ts1 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I own 2 BE AX 10's in cherry condition given to me by an engineer, a Chris Cuff 100mW Cquam, a tm-152 cquam rx, and a panasonic multi format am stereo signal generator. wouldnt get rid of them for anything. the delta i had was the last of my cquams i was willing to sell. id like to add one of the 100mw synthesized greek tx units and a meducci tuner to my collection but those are well out of my budget for a long time to come. im hoping to eventually start a cquam carrier current station using my CRL processors, AX10, and cunningham tube transmitter been planning on this for years and had the equipment for just as long. never been stable anywhere long enough to justify going through all the trouble of setting it up. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 22 18:24:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77885 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 01:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 01:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 01:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110722202416102062100010> for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:24:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E2A22BF.4040005@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:24:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:24:16 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110722-1, 07/22/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} The best AM stereo system... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Evvche-a8SwKPinTLv4WiYYzGG9cdhb1Z2hliJuPgxIc9fp_JZW7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/19/2011 10:21 PM, Amy wrote: > Someone asked at least a year ago what the best AM stereo system was. My > own experience, based on what I've read and heard over the years, are as > follows: > > 1: RCA AM-FM (ca. 1960) > 2: Magnavox AM-PM > 3: C-ISB (a fan-made system using a C-QUAM variant of phased ISB) > 4: Motorola C-QUAM > 5: Harris V-CPM (variable or fixed-phase) > 6: QAM-phased ISB > 7: RCA-Belar AM-FM > 8: QAM > 9: Kahn/Hazeltine QAM-phased ISB > 10: Diode-filtered ISB > 11: Everything else. :P Have to offer a somewhat dissenting opinion here- Magnavox did have a good sounding system as I heard it back in WOWO's stereo days, but few broadcasters used it because it had a serious drawback- you couldn't go past 95% negative modulation without serious distortion and noise. Given the higher noise floor these days even a few percent modulation might make the difference between OK and not OK. While you could still crank up the positive modulation, you don't want to get too asymmetrical since that's distortion too. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jul 22 19:11:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83346 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 02:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 02:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f172.google.com) (209.85.213.172) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 02:11:49 -0000 X-Received: by yxp4 with SMTP id 4so2397069yxp.17 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:11:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.91.27.28 with SMTP id e28mr2622721agj.79.1311387108804; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z19sm2906016ana.13.2011.07.22.19.11.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:11:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4E2A22BF.4040005@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4E2A22BF.4040005@usfamily.net> Message-Id: <9A70526E-01B0-402F-A7E1-46C0BB5BA534@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.172 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} The best AM stereo system... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=wpDxR2JWLYiwrNLwN0Rczwmo6CtEhzQku5NGzB01otPOJUQG9g1LLHT-DOlOuA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Have to offer a somewhat dissenting opinion here- Me too. When it was done right in a Plant that was set up right with a GOOD Transmitter, Kahn ISB was as good as it gets. In adverse reception, it blew the others away. The problem was the way it was sold. Kahn sold his system as a magic Cure-All for stations with poor Transmitters and / or crappy Antenna Systems. Yes, It would work in such a plant that would not even pass a C-QUAM signal, but it would just delver Stereophonic CRAP instead of the Monophonic Crap. 1560 WQXR proved that when ISB is done right, it is second to none in Audio Quality. After ISB Stereo was outlawed, Kahn still sold his ISB boxes as PowerSide Exciters as a Magic Cure for horrible AM Plants. Later, he did the same with his CAM-D Systems. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 22 21:03:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48070 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 04:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 04:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 04:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110722230311100467800010> for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:03:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E2A47FD.8090602@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:03:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:03:11 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <62f1c.10aeff8.3b5821ef@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <62f1c.10aeff8.3b5821ef@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110722-1, 07/22/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=n72wAmv1jxWEd5DAuZczYSwMS3G5oKfJzeGHVk2vvoT_8vTiN20p X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/20/2011 7:20 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > > I looked at the P-Touch website and it says they use an extra-strong > aggressive adhesive > on P-Touch labels. What do you use to clean it off without damaging the > paint on the > front panel of vintage gear? > > It is aggravating to find dried-out labels that are virtually "welded" to > the front panel of a vintage > radio receiver. If people knew what they were doing they would never put a > label on vintage > equipment with painted front panels! I've never found the P-Touch labels to be that hard to remove. As for adhesive removal from radio panels, try asking over at the Antique Radio Forum. Likely someone there will have the answer. Goo Gone is good for metallic and unpainted surfaces. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 22 21:06:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9206 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 04:06:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 04:06:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 04:06:16 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110722230554100724600010> for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:05:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E2A48A0.4080301@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:05:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:05:54 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <62f1c.10aeff8.3b5821ef@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <62f1c.10aeff8.3b5821ef@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110722-1, 07/22/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=vsHAVqzjZUIdw8AwRjD9Fk7RpkE1707pmEX-zUqLGDXr5R3zXVvo X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/20/2011 7:20 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > > I looked at the P-Touch website and it says they use an extra-strong > aggressive adhesive > on P-Touch labels. What do you use to clean it off without damaging the > paint on the > front panel of vintage gear? Whoops- forgot to add that I had some experience with these when I worked at Salem. When I did remove one of these and it did leave residue behind, usually on a plastic console button, just ordinary mineral spirits would take it off. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 22 21:13:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84412 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 04:13:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 04:13:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 04:13:04 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110722231241101306200010> for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:12:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E2A4A37.2040701@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:12:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:12:41 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1311370161.41674.YahooMailClassic@web120522.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1311370161.41674.YahooMailClassic@web120522.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110722-1, 07/22/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Station? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=CRljwWMHmTkn6nakpSXytea9iRbqxPqOlcEqZk43HUJ6n_dPAoSh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/22/2011 4:29 PM, JNR wrote: > It might've been that other guy but a while back I had mentioned > something, so here's the update: we're slated to get a new Nautel box > this fall. There's a new processor (Vorsis?) & the audio is sent via > Barix. The only thing that would stop true stereo is the board which is > jumpered somewhere. He also owns another station, a dark 50kW/5kW which > needs a new box & towers. I'm told if he finds a broker to buy all the > time he'll replace the towers & get a box capable of doing 50kW (the > current one limps along somewhere between 5-30kW). > What make and model of board? I might know or know where I can find the answer. Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Jul 22 21:21:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51596 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 04:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 04:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 04:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p6N4LjX7011335 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 00:21:45 -0400 X-Received: from core-mga002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.217]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EC9EDE0000CC for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 00:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55092.a7168e2.3b5ba64b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 00:21:37 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:474606208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94e2a4c55527c X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topic issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=TPNwUGt8vKD-h3YsniDfFtV2jfxpIGUV20lNQ_2zLJE11oGR18C3 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 7/23/2011 12:06:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: Hi Scott, Thanks for the additional info about the P-touch labels. I will look into them more closely. What I have found in general is that many types of labels will remove fairly easily when they are new or only a few months old. But leave them on for a few years or more and they dry out and are the devil to get off without an aggressive solvent. Some military paint seems almost impervious to strong solvents but some commercial gear paint can be very sensitive. Always best to put a little of the solvent you plan to use on an inconspicuous place first then if no staining or damage of the paint try to use it on the label. I usually have to use lacquer thinner or even acetone on really dried-out labels but usually only the military-style paint will stand up to that. 73 - Todd WD4NGG Whoops- forgot to add that I had some experience with these when I worked at Salem. When I did remove one of these and it did leave residue behind, usually on a plastic console button, just ordinary mineral spirits would take it off. Scott Todd From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 22 23:56:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49108 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 06:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 06:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.203) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 06:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 06:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.98] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 06:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 06:56:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 401836.3357.bm@omp1003.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 165 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 06:56:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: aAnsEjQVM1lb8Lug2NkEHfEoWiRFI4rn0Hz8TPOLkkczN0O 0IUuIcF3KuKZD50VYS3XgL80BfXMigVNxgnukAWELCe8xUdywVqZNpjq1l46 PLsfLhquWXPxNkcvFlBvqz7eGyegeCmKI1srbkMfQDRJBVrAT.aoxMQT9FPj P_mA.8Q3ukmKa6T05syWOreEkBBz5pPLcgAoI0vPBV3pthkzY2eAummeejd1 2ljkXQMUU.vDI7cg1m8pkB41WRRqkKjAfrvnopAWXBxU096ageokci.WnyzM WIiF.8ZrgaSArHOiSfwElNOYgq3XTj6NWucov1KvkQ6gFzz.RnNh41kEaE_a i.lylall.QVW.xCMXdtYz69XGcHed9uZvJwTdE.EE X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.22.191.213 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2011 23:56:05 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <464D5F9A5F234EFDAE80D09CAF897C40@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:56:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Speeking of needing AM STEREO stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=B-KP8Xd4HnkHeEnFgG2-RgJxabT_o62K9dSa1Dz06hpoEBCwVd-djP6EXJp2ECluXzVMK4Zl X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Speeking of needing AM STEREO stuff. I have been asking on and off here that i still need a AM STEREO mod monitor. I need one so KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca can be added to the AM STEREO station list. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jul 23 10:06:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3550 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 17:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 17:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 17:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 16:58:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 16:57:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:57:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9A70526E-01B0-402F-A7E1-46C0BB5BA534@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.97 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The best AM stereo system... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hhJDySR3MeP3ZF7JrVaEmsx4BKo4zYmVoN8bb0kg3lQRxGHxmg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I can't give a practical opinion about which system is better and why. But, from the theorical world, I think we still have the same old problem h= ere: What do you win if you get the best system on the TX part and you don'= t get the best in the RX part? I mean: the C-QUAM decoder chip models has a very high bass range distortio= n and poor separation (despite the fact that I don't know any kind of comme= rcial -standard brands- AM tuner with these chips today). So... IF (only if) C-QUAM is better than ISB, it doesn't matter if we don't= get tuners, very good tuners (and I bet ISB is better, with the appropiate= circuits). BTW: All this chat is about a very dreamed world: A Lot Of Good Music AM St= ations. We still have plenty, here (CHile, South America), but... it seems = that USA doesn't have the same luck. So... GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 > > Have to offer a somewhat dissenting opinion here-=20 >=20 > Me too. When it was done right in a Plant that was set up right with a GO= OD Transmitter, Kahn ISB was as good as it gets. In adverse reception, it b= lew the others away. The problem was the way it was sold. Kahn sold his sys= tem as a magic Cure-All for stations with poor Transmitters and / or crappy= Antenna Systems. Yes, It would work in such a plant that would not even pa= ss a C-QUAM signal, but it would just delver Stereophonic CRAP instead of t= he Monophonic Crap.=20 >=20 > 1560 WQXR proved that when ISB is done right, it is second to none in Aud= io Quality.=20 >=20 > After ISB Stereo was outlawed, Kahn still sold his ISB boxes as PowerSide= Exciters as a Magic Cure for horrible AM Plants. Later, he did the same wi= th his CAM-D Systems. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Jul 23 10:22:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83250 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 17:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 17:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s32.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.171) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 17:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP43 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s32.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:22:54 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.63.39]) by BLU0-SMTP43.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:22:53 -0700 To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:22:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2011 17:22:53.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[27D0E710:01CC495D] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.171 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The best AM stereo system... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=PMWX8vpO1RgcGIY9-lF_0j6nb2Oo9Frd48CHtPIL0fgZ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd are there any engineers in the denver area who can help me setup my cquam carrier current station when im ready to get it going? I have everything i need but a FIM. have equipment manuals, test gear, monitors whole nine yards. then we will have at least a localized cquam station running music even if it only serves a building (or two) or a block or two. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jul 23 11:02:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92702 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 18:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 18:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx3.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.189) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 18:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110723130205100340500018> for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:02:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E2B0C9A.4050500@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:02:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:02:05 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110723-2, 07/23/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.189 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} The best AM stereo system... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=NYIkZenYmlzglKV60GYryClWk6uommwdrV8pj1A3fktNK9NycDBZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/23/2011 12:22 PM, Robert P. Chrysafis wrote: > are there any engineers in the denver area who can help me setup my cquam > carrier current station when im ready to get it going? I have everything i > need but a FIM. have equipment manuals, test gear, monitors whole nine > yards. > > then we will have at least a localized cquam station running music even if > it only serves a building (or two) or a block or two. Might want to check on the Radio Tech or Broadcast forums. Offer to reimburse them for 50c/mile travel and likely you might find one kind enough to help out. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=9bZReM2gEd4eOnA6PCH846X_k7Pz5pa6IscMz8li6O9eLn2-7AyR X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Radio Systems Millenium console, 12-channel model. Thanks! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sat, 7/23/11, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Station? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 12:12 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 7/22/2011 4:29 PM, JNR wrote: > It might've been that other guy but a while back I had mentioned > something, so here's the update: we're slated to get a new Nautel box > this fall. There's a new processor (Vorsis?) & the audio is sent via > Barix. The only thing that would stop true stereo is the board which is > jumpered somewhere. He also owns another station, a dark 50kW/5kW which > needs a new box & towers. I'm told if he finds a broker to buy all the > time he'll replace the towers & get a box capable of doing 50kW (the > current one limps along somewhere between 5-30kW). > What make and model of board? I might know or know where I can find the=20 answer. Scott Todd =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jul 23 12:13:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38057 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 19:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 19:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.65) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 19:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 19:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.6] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 19:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 19:13:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 165861.52849.bm@omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 29676 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2011 19:13:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uR4cE5UVM1mWrIfMouT6JebPGQKBb6ioN.HgAC9bjgwZe6V Yfnr8IaT5U5q7V.EV1oVjt7bndJJLs.HTSUKv8wB1ki0RQKzu3iZENZhEQTl Q2lOhcgY_MzEu3wAcc7WbFTf_YtalLlVBxY2njisi2mOr0bntlU4NuGLP4pq uRBOzkNpez.ErgJii3BtJI8C1TSTua73GRMFP5CECfd11vrQeiDC9OG8Ig21 wbUvY1vbsDpTxpfbA6uTz3j9WMrn6eSiSOcld0GK5x8HUKcz2KyTllLTAHUd E1nnk6AXwHBBhHMjSZ_ZkfQtCmWfoCAkcFb8zyT8HsBqIAsvx6D4Pf1CHJHE J0THS5UO0RS4S266jSN1_u6SVSkp5OKNS9QKZqoGYEml08_a.VW88 X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120521.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:13:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311448430.12971.YahooMailClassic@web120521.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:13:50 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.65 From: JNR Subject: Carrier current AM Stereo station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Pdf-AfbPvzMLS4oXjMgFdXCgwz2dRuOXcHRydDwSTRZui1C3TM3l X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wondering if that was exempt from Part 15 rules.=A0 As for an engineer= , Crawford in Denver used to be stereo on both of their stations so that co= uld be another avenue to try. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jul 23 12:22:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24288 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2011 19:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2011 19:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.162) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2011 19:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 19:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 19:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2011 19:22:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:22:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.97 From: "Jota" Subject: Optical Fiber X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=b5h72mmPvSqVjut_UeUn7qauvQQ4iQ2ixx3RIwAZU93GTjcW9A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I wonder if somebody can "light" me about this: almost all of the digital c= ommunication systems use multi-quadrature modulation (a daughter technology= from the standard AM). Is it valid into the optical fiber world? ??? At the same time, I want to know if we could use the standard analog AM int= o the optical fiber field (intended to transport signal between devices thr= ough a physical media). Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jul 24 12:51:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85208 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2011 19:51:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2011 19:51:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2011 19:51:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2011 19:51:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2011 19:51:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:51:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1311370161.41674.YahooMailClassic@web120522.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Station? - Nautel a natural for CQuam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=IUXKsUVaNvJAvf2F219RyLAsif34VpS2EAMyJ-_0-1LeGvmB9JBBTrY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Back in 99-2000, ALL Nautels shipped to Canada with CQuam - all you had to = do was "turn it on"! That's what CFCO did. Call the Nautel SERVICE DEPT -= there is a CQuam-friendly guy that does/did work there that could give you= the part number of the CQuam part in the Nautel transmitters - you could g= et that board instead of an HD board! Worth a shot at least.=20=20 John=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > It might've been that other guy but a while back I had mentioned somethin= g, so here's the update: we're slated to get a new Nautel box this fall. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 03:07:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19106 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2011 10:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2011 10:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.59) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2011 10:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2011 10:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.168] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2011 10:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2011 10:07:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 346608.22435.bm@omp1024.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 62952 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2011 10:07:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PT77Wv0VM1kpz_EHSK_qtOpdB2izHfhz6s0yJwNYfuFN0UO uj4gcqIX.Di.VE_DLogyRlDycdPD_PJWeWC4v.DuKEgocIM7LtNltIYQ2b8F 1NKik2.S2lhFalT8k4AHy6jckmv3BvfEfMTEdk1NcPeVzVNmmh5VF8tf4KTv FtYAvj.Q9gSiWJaZ9T_BB7xpZpArgVHJHg8ieOMhiqZhUMQMkMIjlErcncDs ZIe6Wjm4ranQ.2G6cUeTT5MT_B_lFM1xnCQpN8U1IwWhugyJwFUz2HytG8z0 C7RApMsprFPyG7R_qWvSv0bRwJyHFubjD53BmH0nl3IwoIsI9qURQ0S8euv3 0NJgNM0F8uiH73VMV16w8fqmyYMBdVxA4.NhyAuxmlB9LMdSkHd9V X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120525.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 03:07:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311588429.60731.YahooMailClassic@web120525.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 03:07:09 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF , "A.M. Stereo" , "A.M. Stereo Only" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WWII/720, soon to be WHYF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=LwrQdTkPBkBMl9jy0cwkCEVwbDxMrsb0QTncsG9nGMM-m1x02QKY X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Their current logo as "The Rock" advertises them as being in stereo but I a= m unsure if they're on anymore.=A0 They're to flip to Catholic as WHYF. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jul 25 03:41:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5753 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2011 10:41:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2011 10:41:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f44.google.com) (209.85.161.44) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2011 10:41:29 -0000 X-Received: by fxe6 with SMTP id 6so6611647fxe.17 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 03:41:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.79.67 with SMTP id o3mr1300856bkk.19.1311590489114; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 03:41:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.49.68 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 03:41:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:41:29 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.44 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ISB receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=kvLk7AvDYrdjdDQFkHYN6PcyV_RaMCuc7s6JaODQ2hIZEKKS X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bearing in mind that the Universal Software Radio Peripheral (USRP) is a motherboard that daughterboards covering different parts of the radio spectrum can be plugged into. It features Analog to Digital Conversion as well. We can decode AM stereo much cheaper using an IF chip, perhaps something to convert it to baseband, and a soundcard. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Robert P. Chrysafis wr= ote: > > software defined radios for $1500 each? > > yep, some of them even more then that. > > sdr aint cheap >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jul 25 03:45:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76904 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2011 10:45:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2011 10:45:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f51.google.com) (209.85.161.51) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2011 10:45:33 -0000 X-Received: by fxh10 with SMTP id 10so9867968fxh.24 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 03:45:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.2.78 with SMTP id 14mr1300256bki.71.1311590732187; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 03:45:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.49.68 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 03:45:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:45:32 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ISB receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=wvj86gOVsSKOHagK5psZc470JOV-nvNPtmsu4Xzb8k8Vdk0l X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just found the solution and some interesting reading! http://support.flexradio.com/Downloads.aspx?fr=3D1 and search for 'Software Defined Radio for the Masses' On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > Bearing in mind that the Universal Software Radio Peripheral (USRP) is a > motherboard that daughterboards covering different parts of the radio > spectrum can be plugged into. It features Analog to Digital Conversion as > well. > > We can decode AM stereo much cheaper using an IF chip, perhaps something = to > convert it to baseband, and a soundcard. > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Robert P. Chrysafis = wrote: > >> >> software defined radios for $1500 each? >> >> yep, some of them even more then that. >> >> sdr aint cheap >>=20=20 >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jul 25 09:03:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63597 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2011 16:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2011 16:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2011 16:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110725110317102985500010> for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:03:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E2D93BF.8020504@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:03:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:03:17 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110725-0, 07/25/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Station? - Nautel a natural for CQuam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=0ReZFfBmZIN-h0qHAPuL3PCclHiLrilyKfOi_ygwoNpVpcf-K1j_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/24/2011 2:51 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > Back in 99-2000, ALL Nautels shipped to Canada with CQuam - all you had > to do was "turn it on"! That's what CFCO did. Call the Nautel SERVICE > DEPT - there is a CQuam-friendly guy that does/did work there that could > give you the part number of the CQuam part in the Nautel transmitters - > you could get that board instead of an HD board! Worth a shot at least. > John That was the ND series of transmitters. Don't know what sort of modifications their present series might need to run AMS. I do know they no longer offer it as an option, but more than likely could be done with an outboard exciter. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jul 25 09:10:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68324 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2011 16:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2011 16:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.213.47) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2011 16:10:13 -0000 X-Received: by ywa12 with SMTP id 12so2882124ywa.34 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:10:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.166.15 with SMTP id o15mr612158ybe.166.1311610212221; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n9sm1101766ybk.24.2011.07.25.09.10.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:10:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4E2D93BF.8020504@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4E2D93BF.8020504@usfamily.net> Message-Id: <69A06AD8-BEDD-478B-ACA4-FF9726FC8C60@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.47 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Station? - Nautel a natural for CQuam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=QaJhwn8x-vFyFOn6rxDgzJayns_OgDeUf4eC00utzEQAToFfLih5QjVo5UaKUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > That was the ND series of transmitters. Don't know what sort of > modifications their present series might need to run AMS. I do know > they no longer offer it as an option, but more than likely could be done > with an outboard exciter. Yes, I am friends with an Engineer up there. They say to run the XR series from a Delta External Exciter. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 12:18:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39101 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2011 19:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2011 19:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.148) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2011 19:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2011 19:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.235] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2011 19:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2011 19:18:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 243495.21232.bm@omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 63841 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2011 19:18:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7.EPzwMVM1mrbcJy5BPo5OmetY3W.YX4UaW8qt8rXzNlhJ4 Bd6aVjZYUOOnMbhzMIiAjRPIoXP.ygtZp.PN8bfMCnmV1lU07HDUpBKA1gwY USPr_9lYU5DyM1X50TONhpEkkwFs22ZHcI1wvLz0HlHrz2lSizD3dz5_yCmv L5CCdDgzMrhoGLHBMa4XLSV4PlEqDh_cyqSsDpt7_UBj1HtbOPqXdDRhNfrb kB.xftmYMZxGpXshaBTkile29nyIYHjvI8PEt6USH4IrSIYl6BP4uI75O8It ogOM8yx9KIz85vG8_2acwP4zyjffpG.u3lQ7oiEthTK5fFG5h.kcHR31qzuj PdRFdJw29KpLgnPtwwSc7ViMghH7dgbfMxCpzkLZzRp3E5S8UPmYaPxP65PZ sOm.jKE4TYrHxN.9RN1cHOAkXasihZhtzYLJgPJJSaZB56EYHyQny7_nZu1N mHavv96pvCT6N_KjLdW04QQUv_Wma5Ltjw0IkMDwUcNo6oS8LSaVysduw1xJ RvOON2hYT0fmHoe4v_VkdYaaN4mmdl9SQjAN95LDqFb85ntDZ76EHluqii9Q A9Q9R7xOvnzdfz7T1ULiG51PWSwDbjokqNtCM28GtjRBKBYCF86Fe57KGPLH 98Yyv_4_vFuskGv92Zn8SyFx1o_xEnQzD3LqDddUMQRtjDfl3sbARraCG8nl vYN3D4j4mMlR9dhQm8hneWTxaPqCVQPOd6HmbOgszgRgRA4iAHF3ZEb3mANf .drM6gEjR9aoBYLQVrsZmkZVB4FgOswOGFS9522GZ8q6ibkE1taCq6sSs X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120522.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:18:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311621518.56581.YahooMailClassic@web120522.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:18:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <69A06AD8-BEDD-478B-ACA4-FF9726FC8C60@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Station? - Nautel a natural for CQuam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=t0XtLcky-CiAJjwAyS82C1occwEf4fqz15dQ_AA8AIKFjo4b-Rk5 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the tip! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 7/25/11, Kevin Raper wrote: From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Station? - Nautel a natural for CQuam To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 25, 2011, 12:10 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > That was the ND series of transmitters. Don't know what sort of=20 > modifications their present series might need to run AMS. I do know=20 > they no longer offer it as an option, but more than likely could be done= =20 > with an outboard exciter. Yes, I am friends with an Engineer up there. They say to run the XR series = from a Delta External Exciter. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Jul 25 13:20:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77254 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2011 20:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2011 20:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.153) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2011 20:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP63 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:20:05 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([97.118.63.39]) by BLU0-SMTP63.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:20:03 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:19:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2011 20:20:03.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CCFE1A0:01CC4B08] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.153 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: facebook X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=_tfEsvQDRhEdVzuFTghub8WOJDGV7_oGZ8MVcjHV5gR3 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi all, anyone who wants to see pics of my ham, cb and am stereo broadcast equipment and radio can see them on my facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/robert.chrysafis just mention these forums and some technical comments about am stereo so i can be sure your from these forums. Robert From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 26 08:10:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16199 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2011 15:10:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2011 15:10:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2011 15:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2011 15:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.67] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2011 15:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2011 15:10:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 949124.45975.bm@omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 36523 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2011 15:10:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: MoitL0sVM1khdOMtnwE71uoFbZ8Ei6Paw0q1Q4G98hwrFmB 6I.OB6thpHwbtW7jrfq8VvNk8umqw2u4rctMFA5zegehIV50vKAQKVyCcSuV qaRl43UeUp4WikeNXREHYVJrct2Mhlsn9e2PpkUvwQri6Fe.JKwS_Bb10_yA xDTiJsKPsINfG2QXgj9RJPNHcI0eQwqJuC9wENXj.dPr9_HXPCPXAKaD58jy h6EG00tpdNKIIR398aq4_PPPKfmHKcBJ92pJgwHpx_7yAqt2k9JKxLvPkgpz DlIHnX2cb60RfacfpLUMZut8e9b0d8krD0NOUCm6RffJRIIgDFO1bo9VeCLG dFXjbeLqV_dhxC_2znaUi1E4cA8LR X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@71.155.146.248 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2011 08:10:22 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:10:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: loop ant. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=7UU8SarNyU-p3QIYKAtoGR-NU30KkkzMuHahehKXEUqgo5BJ2ZZTqnhNokmhuYq3BpBUBQ2z X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I saw this in Radio Shack . Its a Eton Grudig Mod# AN200 Cat#20-440 Price $39.00. Thay also have the Terk ant. for $39.99. I have also looked on FCC and HD Radio and KKNX AM 840 Eugean Or is no longer iGRAP. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Jul 27 19:57:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80902 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 02:57:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2011 02:57:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f52.google.com) (209.85.161.52) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 02:57:41 -0000 X-Received: by mail-fx0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 18so839964fxd.25 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.2.78 with SMTP id 14mr154456bki.71.1311821859890; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:57:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.49.68 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:57:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:57:39 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optical Fiber X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=unLDtrg48gDHo8w_qRxtCJEB6Exk2NvwWcPtxyt5E4WsjiHs X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.exfo.com/en/ExpertiseHub/MultimediaView.aspx?Id=3DB2&Vid=3D1 Hi Juan, this might be of interest to you. It's more related to transmitting digital= , but I think the answer is yes, you can transmit analog AM over fiber. On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Jota wrote: > ** > > > Hi gang!!! > > I wonder if somebody can "light" me about this: almost all of the digital > communication systems use multi-quadrature modulation (a daughter technol= ogy > from the standard AM). Is it valid into the optical fiber world? ??? > > At the same time, I want to know if we could use the standard analog AM > into the optical fiber field (intended to transport signal between device= s > through a physical media). > > Thanks a lot for your time!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 27 21:31:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72229 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 04:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2011 04:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 04:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 04:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.92] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 04:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 04:31:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 911619.43070.bm@omp1029.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 71417 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 04:31:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: tMmsCEkVM1kNk52UBpEnIKJ4XFDwdzk1UHMzMdTPniUlHDr KfFlzNUpWkQdlNG9Oq.anNkQn83vu4cRcoyKHonD44RWKLrbbqQhgJ8fvTwJ 7eBJ4Mn0l0vFeuTPtOpqKoOFM5z__9tKC8A_ARzjz8O0AnErjzm2sptMuNYv v9r.vyyiM7v3upS.NuJPBpspbPWoq_XjuPHcagQepWltj0.s3rLoVrMqnGmo 4u5WyKiEYtsCrfFaYGW4vph736EC6sIIA7Dkcj8jd_oLf80qOMgCO3G8GGwA 23SwthPc5MMaKBgFTSADZt5ujG1.VGyup6mDQe7AGkwbn4pPo.xYVhw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.57.249.62 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2011 21:31:48 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <0D2FDCED5F4F422CB45C113DBB8DB8F1@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:31:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.152 From: "jim smith" Subject: I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=PtESffc93cDthCXciwYbJvq2gjSl3VvzzWhVPG18O34OSeCss72r6XIK-tu47kfU78fQxVAY X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have a STL quetion? Insted of useing a two line STL. What if you used two PC's and DSL's modems on both ends so you don't have rent two phone lines from AT&T for stereo use? Would that be wide enough for good audio band width? Just wondering . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jul 27 21:39:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22179 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 04:39:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2011 04:39:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s28.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.167) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 04:39:14 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP51 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s28.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:39:14 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from mobiledj ([75.171.183.227]) by BLU0-SMTP51.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:39:12 -0700 To: References: <0D2FDCED5F4F422CB45C113DBB8DB8F1@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:39:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2011 04:39:12.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C7FA200:01CC4CE0] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.167 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=S3byHxDbt4TCEybXCfc2ZwVmnxNqkeMqaYZki0KZwxtP X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd you only need one dsl modem one each end and a couple of barix boxes to run stereo audio over ip. no pc needed except maybe to setup barix boxes. you could also use two high power wifi access points/clients and a couple of high gain yagi's and make a homebrew microwave/ip stl From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 27 23:45:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78658 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 06:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2011 06:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 06:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 06:44:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 06:44:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 06:44:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.249.62 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Gx9S2I9PSRSBDcQf_jfRfuRfslEkLPuPiVd5Ebq5QQ7lqvrKUYt2YhD2bO2KFUFeVRC22IhX X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Robert Thank you comferming that. Thats what i ment DSL modems on both= ends. How can you make a DSL modems work with out a computer? This nite b= e helpful info for the station i want to go AM STEREO.Thay don't have line = of site for WI FI? What are Barix boxs?Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wr= ote: > > you only need one dsl modem one each end and a couple of barix boxes to r= un=20 > stereo audio over ip. no pc needed except maybe to setup barix boxes. you= =20 > could also use two high power wifi access points/clients and a couple of= =20 > high gain yagi's and make a homebrew microwave/ip stl > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 28 02:21:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12684 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 09:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2011 09:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.164) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 09:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 09:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.49] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 09:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 09:20:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 853946.4233.bm@smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: do7N8CIVM1ltH0EKwQpqMWiZ0FzjRBYXz8d11wF6bn9oOyc GbGab85Lp1NnFN1j0A9cujk4jilXVhEiBcZdrxMRlNy3rDtfVeOoy_I5DOxS 5BWzEnLoP2RogcLokrJOK426mrPlCQB9KMG4P76Lqz2kUMf26RCT3vE4mVEL 6qT3Ub05tFd9TkGqLZZXfu7PTKJiRWGfQ_8mTafk8IK9chhaejbye_SSMvFL _HE5RIsAq68ACk7jK_gODc4teCaZbUnOQiIVhWiO_mJhqVBCYzCYCzGrHnye uYfeB796eRgR1KmoDvxcNu5lxjhyJvChHApROV4A5cAZu3oM_93gSqGgNi9f MMO0LGlv1gKNJ99cTsDXVsdYJl.VE4eXVnaFramq4VdLXfI4hcxkgVLtI5k4 WnAUD.rBXzsJYWTAwtYYQ66.4_FsB0aSaHdfw.ftTuIzjSc4pqNy7y_Ycjgb LClL768qDM87f34cMaUzvnsVZOFz1nDaI3dYlE8CzHCESTS.1W2soMWYZqqW IC9vNWjDSll9VNh.ed0kItSv3grC7Nm5223I8J8v6b.lMwqPq1u5qWNa1fTD fgnbX0Tq24oyqL4gNyNlvL4AwmISJgFuD7b6Vnl0pZO3nsveONPis2_YWq1J Qv9nGr4GMPfKtmCoNu5hohJCNVbjGXpSsDiNPJ7nYv3m9hBhrJJuOXk1aV6C QkwmyGwEjKsgDS_.ovIbo1Rgju5L.QnNTy2U1qA683cEaUcOSj0kSLmNeVQB UcwxcPCs14oeBSLu70B5AaA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.57.249.62 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 02:20:58 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <0D2FDCED5F4F422CB45C113DBB8DB8F1@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 02:20:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.212.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Rt3USw76dhZUq750YN0FwAt-vz22dK4Iw3_trYBXfCdlXrSxCx2Z_VDBHeD13gNjF-gQNLfX X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have one more question. Is it a must to have a AM STEREO matrix box for AM STEREO? Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:31 PM Subject: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.T Hi Gang I have a STL quetion? Insted of useing a two line STL. What if you used two PC's and DSL's modems on both ends so you don't have rent two phone lines from AT&T for stereo use? Would that be wide enough for good audio band width? Just wondering . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 02:59:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1078 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 09:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2011 09:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.70) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 09:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 09:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.4] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 09:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 09:59:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 279123.53357.bm@omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 60625 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2011 09:59:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ..FFpxAVM1kXO0wruOQwv6lIJCoqaH1f6gjP1LqaA.k923O M_jHgTDQBdcGes1Ux4wN1caSRr11tlAFlPFaUaQA7cSLNoEFsay039IxsHDK .YfgachQbArE_yywpJmT3EF34T3L8mE9jbWvepupCD6FKQbNXUPYndUlAiMq njuTo8Ru9CYPhaj_w_XAaszDpAbjwG9dGwriw6UNTdgecdys9ef4lrK_aNwF N292KxEwwSBBfZ.nPmGiRYd7PWEUqz77uyxYCvX0Vp6iYwRQ1xpWoA0iGQxA .5eWM.j20VhzgGm_7XKcvEMZPiznNb3DolZg2KdJSPwmW6BT0o.z.iWq_1S6 w25ld_oYY0y_EXDP2_vWaDMdnc51LjYO0ZBna.IdiDXIJQkqc26mEegyDPMZ waSPRp8KhgaIKCxp_B9HsHqkK74wNYd3xEzniL_S.I1qD.MqBNLXJYwSeh7a tYarIqPRJ4aDNx60cW.hej1B4TBX0oAbhNWK00C.p97rfed0lOU.WfnyAl26 3xcjYF4MKXend43_w.nWB9K7bY352VfCuXkW00bL9hvhd1C_oS3_ezx6Iddt xDLycFkwhGM08gGoUewWk.abaUmPC_Sap5MZ9WW8JHV7YUkxPVwNVVyOSB__ il7qYCfnLDo4ucXiFcYHVHoH.ziYZJ6VS1JJSDxpcQRtFczsl7i5kCNYnwAG vl6GT7qtKzz.XCvEfR1zO05ZppAXssWqx3A0UbQcx8kkEWESVkhMJ8StAw2d 0ReaRBsp7o.N4GZENEa5Hkli1kB2GIu0wAtDxGF2rVEQg_j9hQTloCsiS X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120522.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 02:59:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311847182.48358.YahooMailClassic@web120522.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 02:59:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.70 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=EGY3p7SswSmbuw5PmAW7kXYA-sx2-4___dylzbY74GttJgKB82zs X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, A Barix is a dedicated internet "transceiver" which can send or receive aud= io from one of its own kind to another.=C2=A0 It's point to point audio str= eaming.=C2=A0 We use it @ WARL/1320 but there's about a 23-second lag in au= dio from the audio sent to the transmitter, @ least in our case. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 7/28/11, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 2:44 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Robert Thank you comferming that. Thats what i ment DSL modems on both= ends. How can you make a DSL modems work with out a computer? This nite b= e helpful info for the station i want to go AM STEREO.Thay don't have line = of site for WI FI? What are Barix boxs?Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wr= ote: > > you only need one dsl modem one each end and a couple of barix boxes to r= un=20 > stereo audio over ip. no pc needed except maybe to setup barix boxes. you= =20 > could also use two high power wifi access points/clients and a couple of= =20 > high gain yagi's and make a homebrew microwave/ip stl > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 28 04:01:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48898 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 11:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2011 11:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.214) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 11:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 11:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.125] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 11:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 11:01:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 214936.30633.bm@omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73266 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 11:01:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: YjdDsEwVM1nFTtZzyNY4TKmu_REY8KGdmmgm.LihcKj1GKM WIT0.UhzMYuje8TutD7aS0kexIW3CzzJKCtOzWD7UJ51kvGIoz5ej1dCbFc1 W_jUA8eECsy3OGereJhrJNow1PpH5U3I3gErwIZ8Vv_KmLxiUHQ4iqjqQ.7k 9qHAdtLRFd6rv3KPMlYEtKItK0EoYGENRLWwX2q_TzDKRhpv.4yaLrvD5068 prbxb1MU3X9sd70kF7Uhk.zoBKgAW7cx70inO2D7M26ocKTkohZw8N.ZGo5Z Yb86MbAxIBuIQuWjkMjHxVAxNhlEs13fv1EDg55iSSrOZG5zJD4wMj1Rg__y 1n5VFQuUUJXmHBFyRuH.4qnfHRv6B0xLGaudTWd8PBoXhc4xv2Cjsa7v67Co s24BQWuyXfhk0aefy9ZiLZL8beAkDAJ6bWWkoAaSKhBXgBS5qMV9ixuAf3QU .7cyfn2a.a5_AGc7w_cIVisaydPEXAMepx5iQSzsEvQDCJ3J6s8bPK7MYixI P7UH1V7I3_ZpXFYmMQaC_pxt7IpBO4TTpMxL0ygkLbksN9DtdXizztC1nAZz WTreB7YZNfLhNc8HtAUMPkth2LyNb9zLjVnWxSbU_J1DMbCPvwomNA7lXTvD xZ_pwOVsFva2RFMYbKU0RDM3DwK7GT1sXRiBJEUAijbv9abpS.K9GRfHuze0 FvOTKk0hL95c0wL84uX9WnDv4jzyr0RVk.9ciVsH0flW.z44nj7X6nkFC1Aj SdExf0IoGekq0_c4ussOdNLUtVwzdDLzB9VaTRERsYYwAKjq_ui5B9mPL.s2 A1OtjwB9xt6O_DvjtO6DZudrhG4kwq6MTvcUUAzV4K4Vd.NdrLDalzNdCrXA 6AyV1_zSOOaHkwHeRk81so8BSbwrUqM0joCLa0vBYxZNMETxCVjKtv058Z.r Os3inLN0PUgnM1sd1aCa9azQvR2gGT8TX1vjocu70HVNlNYbOl2B04MR3_cX 3_vdf.B4CTsSVKWqBI2Op34.gUkGuCIY2Ei6NPF7ss1Ju67AfhGlm5xj8cBJ HMibBqD_vM5zevsQ8uY_gL6R0LN8gkx.YepTbxOK9NO07PsE8pdqMIppPwGO QXdsk5V4SOQ_3Zsh0WLXCcNmP9k3FCfjsLj8H7QtPXzlTp8p0VjN9oGewnqH xC9EANpiz9by24k5VCnptcveJb6nQNpAxUE0BFYqPo2igwnfncY3_kZh83o6 b53kc1qomJL95ZSWhRyRY6FzfAdtXY35dN6rruXIsHIhK3WLF8SMTNH_Mb3X AvvOvqQ9lgXC8OXoPaEOr0DGt9Bov4EYSef5B5QhRts74IWQXoVKjSe0xg6Q gjX6GhR2rtZlDQinJlNEEQLbaeK93icR5CvjjnLig2pz7RmWDv5NE6SCeonq PnI1CHa__j7R_BEHeKIssrxgg359r7grgEFuhqv2lVeUTntMSddarvwLRmCc 5Uf5r8gslNC3oOybltXXslVDyBoEhwIMKUj1ptpr1E4nRI8KbcUOdHEr9PJB x8Z0g7D7Eme5XllInRxvp0.MxaBQ4JJpOSQpPaw0F.VKSkIeXnZ1MvfqVOwx TeAqVzs.q39h_vuV6W8QBCFqnX4yER_tFCTK_rnK5tODVOXkpOQ_MAyXF1Bj 5KHBiTICZ5t2xpSMw3zNNo0F2Tjd.AJH.pC7DQv9PrJU1k6N_1X71ht0lrlG cGt7pQm.A9Heoq_ev5i_.0FyNmYAgJG4FV5qpe4aMhd1rL3p.zBTCBHzWAzA aqvX6Sejj8TYQ.AZIMiulFt4wjQytqh1nuQs2gP81pSLtqkY5sLwVVF6uVDE 3kKw9Hp7S5CAn37OYSakbeIiU9baRwQTsclHs1XNDJU09ttk2ZTH5xYSC3OZ CO9aOlTWHez1.TzWN5CLxkTeeResqHJQtWiPC.yOVY5widbPqhcUN.42kDL_ NXNh36wqtsYEkk_GKPeIAuFMQOXNYvlI.psjJ4Uks2IRsVhA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.57.249.62 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 04:01:53 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <1311847182.48358.YahooMailClassic@web120522.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 04:01:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=YfkSAS58yl65y8Kq9zDwb_h9bu3VB-iPNq_myQwc8R_6cWSRR-naUR_HRBqwu9K-1NHVHC1Z X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Forgive me i don't your name . Is it a must to have a AM STEREO matrix= box for AM STEREO? I geuss it is a must to have a AM STEREO mod monitor fo= r witch i am looking for cheap between $100 and $300 not on e-bay. Speeking= of will it need to be retuned to AM 950?If on e-bay some one will have to= sponser me and i will pay them back in payments.Thank you for the response= . Jim Smith AM STEREO dry zone. Loomis Ca neer Sacramento Ca ..----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F =20=20=20=20 Jim, A Barix is a dedicated internet "transceiver" which can send or receive a= udio from one of its own kind to another. It's point to point audio stream= ing. We use it @ WARL/1320 but there's about a 23-second lag in audio from= the audio sent to the transmitter, @ least in our case. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 7/28/11, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 2:44 AM =20=20=20 Hi Robert Thank you comferming that. Thats what i ment DSL modems on both= ends. How can you make a DSL modems work with out a computer? This nite be= helpful info for the station i want to go AM STEREO.Thay don't have line o= f site for WI FI? What are Barix boxs?Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" = wrote: > > you only need one dsl modem one each end and a couple of barix boxes to= run=20 > stereo audio over ip. no pc needed except maybe to setup barix boxes. y= ou=20 > could also use two high power wifi access points/clients and a couple o= f=20 > high gain yagi's and make a homebrew microwave/ip stl > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 28 04:58:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54665 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 11:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2011 11:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm5-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 11:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 11:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.105] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 11:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 11:58:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 376731.42758.bm@omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 46540 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 11:58:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: BLzoi7sVM1n1s6xMBKuOiMoMTRQ2utDdbEBgIp2iu7wjg2D j8fJfLfOdj20SofWwgoC2Ao.S_5Vg3BUzBUMTpJzR2W0lg7QtskoAqNR.BAn iBVSpdrnWf4BolKLWsBpHOfeKS0cExprrEvD_MF4Y6xpCTHj0BKUAe5uGKL8 Uecm0KSsaxVPRe9cReNwU2XndyQvYoWCC9QBt8J5EkgB95.aPhnhFCEu17Vt IF1zseB0G6XD3uLC6rVS.vVJ9DcO2lb8ZQQpbYAJg37MPAfNvBniONg9ZwML QoBN.jUxAgIFLlGG8fhDl93GpXkjuP1o6SFQl2YVBIXzHMjKGExN5qkgeGJu BH_UnLi0bLtmhaher00xQcX4mZp2LVE04nQhryflA0LKWn7Iyoi4mAV_y8_a PNRRW7Xms_WOFRZfpbZ8Bz029AqWeWVP1wbWZ6KRujWBNhcpuwA6znh3_7tc _EvQYRYOMOP7IsR7sVRhHaUnA3YxnhhlWABhxal2d8msYFO4sa1NurosC4BI BIVOmuZtD2Dxmb8P.E6f_0w1oEP_HFpCswiqjTOIUL0j0_GqT184eBzk1QwR 0sag1HDlF7zeXCKaqyXFgfEEMh1A.RXaG4AGSvWh08u1UVFuTAExPFL57F2z 9Dfffs0XUhnk9SYEQcjycgTOTlud8HE8V7roVauwTrOKgDITPI42Fjx75V41 xbqQ2d09FvNheWYYyZEnY6_7vK9B_7oR0F_9wPr0XyyzLdwsif3SaIJV2yUH WvpyPg8VtWRQsOSNvB1I1ohWrkQx26ZF6t_NrSDntDpVR8MMXo7gM6qCIsyq FfvodthWiCiiAl.qP6N8o8ISwjAtkDRVIVBycYtcZqawHzLAiUGBoc.ZL6rj PaJfM_hc8rf2HCBPqVBprkcV4TlPIbR.4wvJqSJtX_2sT3mCCM99yPjkLSde yshoIVbuGOQEiLrv55s8_e_m4fm2jzO882JanTt3L8DDNRlPl5pJ5vVImt0_ mA8WwIYoiwTojrcOgX0nHsftLd0hHoRdN7OE9jyAv.gHOWNcviMfpxvYcSEu SDrdP9kzvN5a0xbEAZN1lZqq2eCRd3vfNlWZwTcP2lN7g_aacIWA_b1ndjrQ iSWKebGFRn5EkG0qrQGMG2zwFUCvGf7y2ftDS5MtQ3MeAFpXEQojt6Q7WeD4 5yDs8FcSgeXaaWvCoK4aOmy_VLduNd_MIIMZQZ_ag8kjrZDApPwOylFvAp9E ce2HCG9Bq.Edb6Gy1IhU5cmjiwLjAXA.5fEKYnfKIB8kPKgT406W7bx_YzMd u6ep4.J52Ocfjo0LXVfWnUvBmbyCoVqRDSyaIAOlcWFon.YTqx9w3hJoyi_q fY6ZOi6B_pmjS6_NCjJ_ca4CdCGUSElYurjh7gB7A54JbzJxoR14WGX9x4OH L4WSKENSuHoieIM.0JQ_W1vNyTwvyrUkqiZ8NWy1DMAbDAQyG.w6E01zRJdZ asX124Decu.2QAwwf.JaSTj3x1_t.W_eDNHSqeRU8ZZrDDyr4rydtM4a2Com ehicGcR77K6flrPRMUBPIJ5pkbvfcxO8fmtBS5kE7T.4S61_dBq2muwoTQyZ ZK8tw7Qs8wYXgL1QX8ECdwVuCQtVwZyqyXtrHo3vAVcLJGgH4Z_UwFnNzvsa 1P.i0yoTlHdXpHgqyTVaxtC.GxKMYrxp79lXe.z5Va2Re0kDkdbNl7OZnmVP JOZAoYwQZeh2J13sTJWY.Ya1JWoqHd9a_ueIrqSrKQFZzhOOPMGZSXl.tsgU nqIiIf0vObzlHbs.C2fpYWeBxgpQRF00EoxINkyJruPWSvyTQfYhf_FvBipb 3Den_l8O0OJ9VhTZETjXxDxjMbvKfeOmAgtLcdTRQzpdnyTNJF8j_93c_fGL 0zR6mvFoeGx16mo5Emza1n.emEW5CL1b816Jl0wrqYfsnPyYDZ6Qq9t11.ha e2sO2VLvo6ewqnyHyW6Zyge8QiAPjpueTkhZ0XhL_eh1ZW5Y994eG4L3uhJk TnrbtK6F8LTO8nGctVcqtg7E- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.57.249.62 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 04:58:11 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <10DAFF8654C7426E9E61519FBFAD7A46@jim3slp85ju21o> To: References: <1311847182.48358.YahooMailClassic@web120522.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 04:58:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.155 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=8jbSL3pEGJFZJMHkevXaGZ4YDIg0X1q1tAVD4Xqwe08QVHi_BroU25Gso-twn2A-z2aA8UZY X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi JNR Is WARL AM 1320 AM STEREO? If so i did not see it on Jeff Deck's li= st. Jim S ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F =20=20=20=20 Jim, A Barix is a dedicated internet "transceiver" which can send or receive a= udio from one of its own kind to another. It's point to point audio stream= ing. We use it @ WARL/1320 but there's about a 23-second lag in audio from= the audio sent to the transmitter, @ least in our case. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 7/28/11, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 2:44 AM =20=20=20 Hi Robert Thank you comferming that. Thats what i ment DSL modems on both= ends. How can you make a DSL modems work with out a computer? This nite be= helpful info for the station i want to go AM STEREO.Thay don't have line o= f site for WI FI? What are Barix boxs?Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" = wrote: > > you only need one dsl modem one each end and a couple of barix boxes to= run=20 > stereo audio over ip. no pc needed except maybe to setup barix boxes. y= ou=20 > could also use two high power wifi access points/clients and a couple o= f=20 > high gain yagi's and make a homebrew microwave/ip stl > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 09:16:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56969 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 16:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2011 16:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.95) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 16:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 16:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.235] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 16:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 16:16:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 510297.70099.bm@omp1035.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10685 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2011 16:16:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KFHV7UkVM1kMkwVi0dTiQOYmfzN3iVa7_fryW_rWDQgULJn SQFyNuZA4bpDZn3UtiUGuReZB0B1SIJtSN1QuPeKpaqCvWnY0iqeWi9ipjmY 1P.Plxrjd52u40dpFDWulByAHEUe_7cVK9PxppzQbGHZ96iilwMvOs7ku.zr yOlVC5yY8QWiZW76nrbGI2AcYC5udoIMt59L6f2kOPqYmcuvM0tFjCQ5FX0H bTIYA0F_GAD3yYUnnMiKcvLGOCM7BfaEKJW8bkotgYAisx7HrewMo_x2enXA 9tbROQvt3sAaKu4B_mhHO46HzwlWskqr1MryRXa5_r6RdUugrpg94iKp9x7c A9o9vwuyLKYpRl4EYX.oitFaQoAQ7cZ4VpH3ZZtVQDgdZGNJW0r7AbEWs0Cy ir6gL7vueMqRgQ_Jmc0vK3PtUC7S5QZq_eYn8ve7Y4WLCHUgnCpC_ X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:16:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.310352 Message-ID: <1311869801.82302.YahooMailClassic@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:16:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.95 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Texans watch out. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=z8aiVCZiPHHdSUzwL27r0h1Q64kemf0QEpvrOfHqxuw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tropical Storm Don ( or as I would type it DoNNNN ) is going to visit. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Powell=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 15:00:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33357 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 22:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2011 22:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.181) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 22:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 22:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.198] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 22:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 22:00:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 135899.92354.bm@omp1056.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 94280 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2011 22:00:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: prY74iMVM1k4saJb5Uw.4BG_LJxqTUY06rT9HLGRwqz4ywx .T47sk9oURQsFJ14mo8d9P18qGLdd.Lrvodyjw6kpBmTCeDkCmgmL1GZsK.G A1c2B9JXzXo7G70NZmNW96G7FO_eSffcjb9nsE80jJI.2v2JCweIyVqwiCE0 rLM_9EKcqZQ2sqPrjVOUr2uQa3o0fdjFHmpTMsN2CNseTt2KMnMEOcuOnAz8 JWoIS9N0NXRIS_RqxZsoPLyWqE7tBHpQrJ1l2Nm14NBqCSKPOs_.GPsIgGin xPy2g_A.i0nzuCoLOvhipJTHACg1UMEmfaKJ7_vOtixRP2vRP_Kfq1Q31qit 3oK9Dngxu6hS_w280pTrM0eTAMJJhVq0Izr9Yfk3o4mcewTSD7Hs_Czyufx. 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O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=59mw260AGvn7ng0exZ4dusmj53vTIJh9fNRdtwDtXZTXtcD07whi X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not currently.=C2=A0 I hope it will be. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 7/28/11, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 7:58 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi JNR Is WARL AM 1320 AM STEREO? If so i did not see it on Jeff Dec= k's list. Jim S ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F Jim, A Barix is a dedicated internet "transceiver" which can send or receive aud= io from one of its own kind to another. It's point to point audio streamin= g. We use it @ WARL/1320 but there's about a 23-second lag in audio from t= he audio sent to the transmitter, @ least in our case. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 7/28/11, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 2:44 AM Hi Robert Thank you comferming that. Thats what i ment DSL modems on both e= nds. How can you make a DSL modems work with out a computer? This nite be h= elpful info for the station i want to go AM STEREO.Thay don't have line of = site for WI FI? What are Barix boxs?Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" wr= ote: > > you only need one dsl modem one each end and a couple of barix boxes to r= un=20 > stereo audio over ip. no pc needed except maybe to setup barix boxes. you= =20 > could also use two high power wifi access points/clients and a couple of= =20 > high gain yagi's and make a homebrew microwave/ip stl > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 28 21:24:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91014 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2011 04:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2011 04:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.213) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2011 04:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2011 04:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.96] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2011 04:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2011 04:23:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 286994.8091.bm@omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 34399 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2011 04:23:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: RsKLE.AVM1lhnbKRzT6GiY3GgeyYQeauDr8K1qHxZPSh3VQ 0qVFavIwoSSNDIAM0ijVqqbwsPa3nj1nUBcXS4UML9TBM2D9mf_Nx6.nxV18 pJUDjCBNctU5salziPLhTGvu3OlKhpucnSnq_kPnczIKJ2maMIGBVIlu94BJ JuLfy9nQYM9S9pLb7YjQS9n4rv4.PdZplrXYvuBIpqkzauFraAWYLErGy63Z YpOCgPdDyqXFYkcxviqktSdKrj4.nWUiNv7LcJygHgH.ope7HFGzw51nDQYR vqmmHaLNScylpeGz3h1hNMA16WHlnXHe.FG3zef0sL2I6QCIv4CWnlYZt.KV Q2l.HovBvuXMfZk7wa6b9irJT7TiJOzX6tyaDVQ9URaKwIc9u3a7vZxdniGo sVDxsmalWTfIwxVPq_z4qI.UvcxG43P4dDCOXgRjVum6kGQP7EduLYPHc8wo 90DLl29PMc0PI1j1034eIeSLA_Pz6OYbpKfCQT0.2FMbekwiMUP19SRP6vRN SHbl_F6WeKkuCAtINfRbnsFrTcUB4Wm_y4p_KfL7ZdwCkaK6.PH0vvDrnaoi xqgSs_4NTSWCZzpvqb4QkqacmTUCp9mCflV6TTTwy3EBj7J8ghxSrxonxzCh jb.xijB6ewawhza6Vv4UC1XpCeZijtOTOI8OGNMmNF.B7vMiYgI5OmWd9Mqi jR8P403t0XPQL6N5vLlggC4a7_aKbL_4Y21JbhYJJT5t7q9S8xOnsPwc9niH IsXCB4IAxP4j_Mj3.dPXhR0eKf.oOFgzl8wNpKFSWzb8_zGA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.8.105.224 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 21:23:58 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <1C0C5894CDD441C2B62C1A290E9C9BF0@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <1311869801.82302.YahooMailClassic@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:23:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Texans watch out. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=WcUl6_Uluv6opYdwJ5MPWXKfDXh9U1C2o5s1fBg5pOXx0W3_M-FPkEo3iir8jFHF6JhEb5h9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Powell Thay need the rain bad!!!!!! Jim S ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:16 AM Subject: {AMSF} Texans watch out. Tropical Storm Don ( or as I would type it DoNNNN ) is going to visit. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 28 21:26:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69544 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2011 04:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2011 04:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.236.11) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2011 04:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2011 04:26:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.116] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2011 04:26:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2011 04:26:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 897837.53645.bm@omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93884 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2011 04:26:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: _9.irO4VM1nMfinz1upael3ZN2bCQFLYbz0KA2BHtpV1tkY .Es7ztANPoHpUK0jDXnxXC21qKhdstUiI8zxEZrRb_IkUhOWiXFjC6UVMI3j 8hJuH6XBYGFxVS1VlMJ42ybTKGuU.AEVqGegaTauQt.ugeBN_BpfZS04MlWt TsLEd6iZ5EgLEZq4oRm6KzKCf5tFSIAagGCc0YjFOGdBZxqYXp_8EOlO1xne aZ118CEIptJLTq0IIk7DO79sCFwPAiJ9YM1hUuvccBN_t2cnbwY5KiPz83gA OkLQDO_OSKEMQiK_lXMZV7XjneZcSvbsikD1lGU4vrY3HGqQ7alKMwcLH2.a 2I3tvVbplsITh88ZEk2X4_fUo7elGsWRMaOH4l7p2Q7RUWHtC6JT9tEmKm8v rGtAqP6.6jlP0JkzDoc2_wthfl2fR.yDU3VF27i9Vk5kYoaQ87DjNSecu9.C 1a0E6SS5kLp4WNB9a9NWu05Aevl0GN6V4unXnRRt8jW9HocYiBoFJQgMD6TZ FzgeM31595JXgTmrz_1Fn7tndkXHrajqPDOtU7AG4iaABKR3PnS.NjSswzQn N.SSQIX4itIbF65ZKTYgFNaO5ecNTp7FrOujQ2kfNzamK9p.l6RaNi8XZaAi ZjASE.K03HtJH43euaN44e5EaOhcKyzySF3HI00ipWMl6dhI1DEOkqr9ZWqW _d_J.q60jc22N.cPthRIYzsd.uCtic0D0EiVvZakyCfETqzZEwIPG36ht6aP MsjH4pp1CzArOmq4ckvn6ZHWnjTPQ4g-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.8.105.224 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 21:26:39 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <07B2ED3751674CE9A892A55DBF07D042@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <1311890404.92649.YahooMailClassic@web120527.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:26:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.236.11 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=mknWmcweeFZsPv3ZcfmVzfn3dOr6FMMPrmDtKV-30fYq7tE_8RlQ_G5m_8HWtTgAyOetfY98 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi JNR I hope so also. More the better. Jim S ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:00 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F =20=20=20=20 Not currently. I hope it will be. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 7/28/11, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 7:58 AM =20=20=20 Hi JNR Is WARL AM 1320 AM STEREO? If so i did not see it on Jeff Deck's l= ist. Jim S ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F Jim, A Barix is a dedicated internet "transceiver" which can send or receive a= udio from one of its own kind to another. It's point to point audio streami= ng. We use it @ WARL/1320 but there's about a 23-second lag in audio from t= he audio sent to the transmitter, @ least in our case. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 7/28/11, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 2:44 AM Hi Robert Thank you comferming that. Thats what i ment DSL modems on both= ends. How can you make a DSL modems work with out a computer? This nite be= helpful info for the station i want to go AM STEREO.Thay don't have line o= f site for WI FI? What are Barix boxs?Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert P. Chrysafis" = wrote: > > you only need one dsl modem one each end and a couple of barix boxes to= run=20 > stereo audio over ip. no pc needed except maybe to setup barix boxes. y= ou=20 > could also use two high power wifi access points/clients and a couple o= f=20 > high gain yagi's and make a homebrew microwave/ip stl > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 29 05:27:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 550 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2011 12:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2011 12:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.50) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2011 12:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2011 12:27:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.170] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2011 12:27:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2011 12:27:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 797876.72752.bm@omp1026.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 84630 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2011 12:27:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: znV4Zo4VM1mHNj3Qw2gdAV3dSc2CMda.7g04MhdPkcT82OR Vvqy1YDNKf4tjOpOz1EsFLa5uAh78PWmnnYmb67U1JmywVBB2jkt3oCva87m XR4Nx4aYnbeg.X4e._qx9yvAV1yZFFbWNdir.bxOPsq6dmdUY75UhF7aHi4. 1GptNcybC9IaXECNCZEfB313Aq9VF_1jBp.lJTeVSvoVk10lGnUqyQNIPCV1 ka9hk.WIRnj5v0oC1aFdX08jHSGw.dagTi3Lfzsnay6HuWfnnGHNLJXidklw qRZAUEr3VHadtMSJaGInDYmo4P_GCfiF4.W6klvPgouBnz5hREAuaCcLFufW 3mOEnfxIawlJW2T5Aoks5wYvJ5hvjx27uNc_05Htui4W3YGts.7mNczogCQ- - X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120528.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:27:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1311942453.72381.YahooMailClassic@web120528.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:27:33 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: List ADD: WKBF/1270-Rock Island, Il. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=90pxYIM1O6CHnyQKfXf0cX_44UTAebntu8iBvzrtj7lGFEHxfNHD X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reported on another list by N0UIH with a carrier & separation.=A0 It's nice= to be able to ADD a station! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 13:07:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58932 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2011 20:07:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2011 20:07:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2011 20:07:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2011 20:07:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2011 20:07:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:07:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.102.178.135 From: "tom_richard1980" Subject: AM HD at KCBS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=5kVkfJC2KGoO-Mn0HN0_Zn7Jzs4klrPKYCu0zrlgwXgBiRTH9DWiyvkw X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 When I listen to KCBS in HD on an Accurian radio (glorious mono BTW) compar= ed to analog on a Sony SRF A-100, I get this hash type of sound on the side= bands when listening in AM Stereo but it goes away if I switch it to mono. = I think the AM Stereo has better quality.=20=20 I've also heard about stations giving-up on HD altogether.=20=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 13:13:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35071 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2011 20:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2011 20:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.67) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2011 20:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2011 20:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.199] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2011 20:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2011 20:13:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 620753.27039.bm@omp1057.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 61649 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2011 20:13:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ypOR4gwVM1nTFCo.a1pK0Mwc3mtOMv.4wHlWXRYXt0UNNnS GLC03wXYC9lidUA8k4BIvGdKVGYQjnEqdR3xUaXal99qkIJ8iiYFUXyn4qCk U1dd.NH2kxLUvtZKqueQQzkDsNmR9jG8domt28E5d_8j3aNLO6L0CYLGSjXI 6ek7QUJMQD_WMC.UW2ooRiUXKK8vNnGGEu3HU75oABCp4M3utK9P0fTcFBC. 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Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Texans watch out. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=A2ncz-sqzC-ip3WG5IsewGooioTLRwZmUUh6zjy09D4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don hit the coast and POOF!=A0=A0 he was GONE! =A0 Powell =A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 7/29/11, jim smith wrote: hi Powell Thay need the rain bad!!!!!!=A0 Jim S =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 =A0 From: Powell E. 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jul 30 13:43:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58855 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2011 20:43:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2011 20:43:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm5-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2011 20:43:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2011 20:43:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.240] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2011 20:43:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2011 20:43:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 649984.323.bm@omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 59684 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2011 20:43:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uqp8.5kVM1lscVDP8uWH6NZld01DAj_PCqumoWr92rfCo3L y3PQR18b3sMbXiPL2qKnnDLZkEa4.rgn9LgtTLM4A1n2vYp1IxRGkCUhzviw W.BrKS43hWn4772JQai2r2YpsB9AcBFUR_TOduHQexjBaKDRTxDGQnEPfEN9 jmAKM9pXwE8pPEVs70ZMfP.1QWtGn2c9KJYj_0z1wkHXikQeaTP5Hax7eopu CPyj.7tPBmXU.XPpuGEQkSr9X0ZAJzLWLA45L7U0fvJOBfidGDx_oPD7bqDU 7yzx.xtmTBff2unJ37WKo.ezVc.nPBWC1CGStyU1mSFRUCwpZFNOlf7rQCfA 6ivn2BiB09iS57.CjeqOozz5xRJR9mq9i31JcA_Qspjdb6zpcxh7CbF.d1CS jhfHeAf80lOBIoJd.wgMXqrzWkI4rdJTI9IidhSdqPtlXu7XE00Ujq5Wn3zK TzbRfR0W3VLrGXcdnCQBXFLtbJNa7oclUaXhdgrmooXCkq6naYeaagEM0y5y x.ZZDIDn1XVpBOVKnFRsCaAt7jyWo3yH2RD9.wXIrxTz1u1e_ObvwFLR8IJ2 VeuY1BkQ4m3s4H5WHeLsWYW6YW.IpMhgjeQLYD0KUSCyY9zOsbAj9IcFiyAP mXLTM8UZe9d0RgLW13rlhnmGcQxTo8pX6l4JdA2jXVDCGjkZteeba5ETj_RJ d5C8xTlHjdzicXE6wHD_7KU4yiXH87dYDiGhmbsLtuz5UjDhHB9CmTaBcOXs FE1stOKpYF9rxM12axSeLAcFiJdP3EWUZqT2VtBeZLNHyt10izFEO0O9zJjq HVVHLf3QERm2aODod35mhZWgxJ5YNRKFG8yVZtJel_Dtqpcnlk0ff1PD1CXM ian_FMEOPJ2VwPIKTHDVLmw-- X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120528.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:43:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 Message-ID: <1312058621.57800.YahooMailClassic@web120528.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:43:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM HD at KCBS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=jBcxnHAFMbgoCy5G6BKtUt9o2LoUvrlA7paLDGIp93-LnfYWnziR X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They are.=C2=A0 To see the list of current & former hashboxes on Yay-em, go= to http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sat, 7/30/11, tom_richard1980 wrote: From: tom_richard1980 Subject: {AMSF} AM HD at KCBS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 30, 2011, 4:07 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 When I listen to KCBS in HD on an Accurian radio (glorious mono BTW) = compared to analog on a Sony SRF A-100, I get this hash type of sound on th= e sidebands when listening in AM Stereo but it goes away if I switch it to = mono. I think the AM Stereo has better quality.=20=20 I've also heard about stations giving-up on HD altogether.=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Jul 30 16:44:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5164 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2011 23:44:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2011 23:44:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2011 23:44:08 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.67]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LP600B4E79HZSVH@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:44:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <1312056813.44176.YahooMailClassic@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1312056813.44176.YahooMailClassic@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:44:08 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.3 From: "Dick W." Subject: A Current AM Stereo Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quote from July 2011 Radio-Info Board (South Carolina) post, re WNMB, North= Myrtle Beach: =E2=80=9DAt WNMB in North Myrtle Beach we still broadcast in AM Stereo. We = use a much newer version of an exciter made by Delta Electronics. The sound= we transmit is a great fidelity signal. The separation is better than most= FM stations and the AM Stereo has a much smoother sound overall. We have h= eard from many listeners who hear us in stereo, and we still hear from some= in the present time. There are lots of Ford Thunderbirds, Explorers, Exped= itions and Mustangs with AM Stereo. There are many Chryslers with the AM St= ereo.The Fords primarily have the Audiophile Satellite ready system and the= AM section has a c-quam decoder and it is broadband. It sounds really good= . Any of you folks who want to check it out are welcome to do so. We're at = 429 Pine Avenue in the Ocean Drive Section of North Myrtle Beach, just off = Main Street. We have lots of receivers including the Sony SRF A-100 and the= Carver TX-11A. We also have several cars equipped with factory built AM St= ereo radios, and we even some AM stereo converters that will play our stati= on through your car's FM stereo radio.=E2=80=9D It=E2=80=99s nice to hear such enthusiasm, isn=E2=80=99t it? Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Jul 30 21:16:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 236 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2011 04:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2011 04:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2011 04:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p6V4GPtJ014259 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 00:16:25 -0400 X-Received: from core-mge003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0BE99E000081 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 00:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 00:16:24 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-AOL-IP: 63.215.29.143 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446465184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c4e34d719578d X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Current AM Stereo Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=vyBKsj9hWwIxOt2EuVrWH1IrMhwpSX9aehI2AK3q4Blb1KIzk9B8 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi Dick, Thanks for posting that nice story about WNMB AM Stereo in North Myrtle Beach, SC. It sounds like they are very devoted to their AM Stereo operation and are glad to promote it. I am too far away here on Hilton Head Island, SC to be able to hear them over the air, even though I am along the coast. Plus we have a "super local" in Savannah, GA on the same frequency 900KHz that overpowers the frequency here. Perhaps they could be heard daytime along the coast in the Charleston, SC area. That would be about 90 air miles from them. They are about 160 air miles distance from me on Hilton Head Island along the coast. Maybe someday I will be able to drive through the Myrtle Beach area and listen to them on a '94 Cadillac Deville UX-1 AM Stereo radio I am planning to install in my '91 Chevy Cavalier. It uses the same type wiring harness / plug so it is almost a drop-in install in the '91 Cavalier. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 01 10:08:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70236 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2011 17:08:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2011 17:08:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2011 17:08:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2011 17:08:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2011 17:08:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:08:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.61 From: "Jota" Subject: AM HD and ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pxhlegEialb_a3IBOXMKBklKaxuD1hf8sSfKvkHAug12t0QD2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! If the IBOC and DRM inventors are so desperate to impose their supposed "ne= w and better systems" I have a deal to them: Why not to try to put all the digital components into the phase modulated m= ain carrier and leave the two AM sidebands with analog stereo audio, in oth= er words ISB AM Stereo? ??? The final product will be a pure ISB AM Stereo and, at the same time, a pur= e phase modulated carrier with the digital elements. It is "theorically" po= sible. The great question is if the standard AM channel width is enough to put all= the digital components on it (with a decent compressed rate, of course). I= think it isn't. Do you agree with me? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope BTW: It is a full out of topic issue, but... It about my small FM station: = I read something about the better FM elements spacing (in the transmit towe= r) is half wave distance. But I use half wave vertical polarized dipoles, s= o, if I set them at half wave distance each others, the dipole tips would b= e "in touch". So... Can somebody explain me about this, please? ??? From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Aug 01 10:18:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95526 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2011 17:18:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2011 17:18:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vx0-f171.google.com) (209.85.220.171) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2011 17:18:14 -0000 X-Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so7537582vxh.16 for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:18:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.28.70 with SMTP id z6mr4426995vdg.514.1312219093871; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cy1sm1271681vdc.14.2011.08.01.10.18.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:18:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <39455EFA-AE39-495B-9C27-ABED44D6A07B@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM HD and ISB AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=GCedIKgZn77PFxEj-jBzADFMF-KyBLULRd5f6Hg3aOeuOypjbn3aTgU4CyyEzA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Jota wrote: > Why not to try to put all the digital components into the phase modulated main carrier and leave the two AM sidebands with analog stereo audio, in other words ISB AM Stereo? ??? This is actually very much like the Kahn CAM-D System! The only difference is with CAM-D, it is a Mono PowerSide signal, only the Difference Signal for Stereo is imbedded with the Digital Carrier. It works, It sounds great on both Analog and CAM-D Digital Radios, and ain't got a Snowball's Chance in Hell of being widely used... 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Aug 01 13:47:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30251 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2011 20:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2011 20:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f53.google.com) (74.125.83.53) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2011 20:47:25 -0000 X-Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20so4677086gwj.26 for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:47:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.133.10 with SMTP id g10mr1222321ybd.254.1312231644918; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b24sm1260988yhm.39.2011.08.01.13.47.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <8CE1E929CE0BFBB-1AE0-1ECDB@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:47:20 -0400 Cc: abdx@yahoogroups.com, superadioIII@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8951D7CA-8910-4AD9-86BA-469FB0B02606@gmail.com> References: <8CE1E929CE0BFBB-1AE0-1ECDB@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.53 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=WgT5LdxBRDxoZ7qA0MzlTumTdp8M1zXnTMRSKfVjJmhLvhOBCI1kLQ1a1LDYWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Todd Roberts wrote: Yet they all keep asking "Gee Kevin, WHY do you insist on using a Mac or Li= nux Computer online?" 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Aug 01 17:38:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28520 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2011 00:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2011 00:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2011 00:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110801193840101592400010> for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:38:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E3746FF.8050702@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:38:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:38:40 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <0D2FDCED5F4F422CB45C113DBB8DB8F1@jim3slp85ju21o> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=67afTSXVLAztpPF0CSIj_k5lxbN0-8KL-S5z6Xcalymf3NUSf4A- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/28/2011 4:21 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang I have one more question. Is it a must to have a AM STEREO > matrix box for AM STEREO? Jim Smith It's not absolutely necessary unless you're airing some very early stereo recordings which are panned hard left and right such as some of the first Beatles records. 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O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=2fShVOV0A9r0fg1OV-BRQtLYnbYIaAhu7COzLhSLhMlbap40S76dFveQWwIMTimc5J_mXXiY X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scott I love those early stereo recordings.Thanks for the info. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F On 7/28/2011 4:21 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang I have one more question. Is it a must to have a AM STEREO > matrix box for AM STEREO? Jim Smith It's not absolutely necessary unless you're airing some very early stereo recordings which are panned hard left and right such as some of the first Beatles records. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 06:18:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91440 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2011 13:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2011 13:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2011 13:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2011 13:17:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2011 13:17:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:17:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E3746FF.8050702@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.61 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=zrO8kuQWYhnjDu57d_t5oetww0_HhUdOP7CqgZca5zOkHc9WYA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Scott!!! Sorry, but I'm lost here (due to my great ignorance, of course). What do yo= u mean with "stereo matrix box"? And, Why we need that stereo matrix box to= those wonderful "first time" stereo age? Some C-QUAM issue? Can you explai= n it more "in detail", please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > It's not absolutely necessary unless you're airing some very early=20 > stereo recordings which are panned hard left and right such as some of=20 > the first Beatles records. >=20 > Scott Todd > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 02 09:33:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76301 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2011 16:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2011 16:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2011 16:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110802113242101786000010> for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:32:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E382697.8040002@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:32:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:32:42 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=JnuDcbHh33Mi0i_3P92U96e6Imo18r787bSmrZhMlNPnNq1DWqiq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/2/2011 8:18 AM, Jota wrote: > Hi Scott!!! > > Sorry, but I'm lost here (due to my great ignorance, of course). What do > you mean with "stereo matrix box"? And, Why we need that stereo matrix > box to those wonderful "first time" stereo age? Some C-QUAM issue? Can > you explain it more "in detail", please? It limits single channel modulation which causes distortion in CQUAM detectors. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 10:12:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10132 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2011 17:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2011 17:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2011 17:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2011 17:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2011 17:12:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:12:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E382697.8040002@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.31 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=wWq0u48zm9AVfRlR53xlpAujWmPoqnlrdTe6oR4vrdeyF7zP_g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I see. We call it an "stereo narrower". Some people use that "technique" into the MP3 files to get less space in di= sc, but I think it is to offend the original musical idea (despite the fact= it is another bad thing into the all MP3 bad things). Should we expect the same kind of distortion with ISB AM Stereo? Or Is it a= C-QUAM only problem? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > >=20 > It limits single channel modulation which causes distortion in CQUAM=20 > detectors. >=20 > Scott Todd > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 02 20:44:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50757 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2011 03:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2011 03:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2011 03:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110802224350103011200010> for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:43:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E38C3E4.7020807@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:43:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:43:50 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=pDzJQyywTnYRkG4laARpQmAzOjjMUqacYEwI7scMleRnqZIA4mtf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/2/2011 12:12 PM, Jota wrote: > I see. > > We call it an "stereo narrower". > > Some people use that "technique" into the MP3 files to get less space in > disc, but I think it is to offend the original musical idea (despite the > fact it is another bad thing into the all MP3 bad things). > > Should we expect the same kind of distortion with ISB AM Stereo? Or Is > it a C-QUAM only problem? ??? I think that was a problem with CQUAM, but before you get too critical, ALL of the AM stereo systems had their limitations in one way or another. AM/FM, AM/PM would have to roll off high frequencies into the FM or PM modulator so as not to overdeviate and splatter into adjacent channels, as well as negative modulation limits. ISB was limited more by the technology of the time, not to mention the cantankerousness of its inventor. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 02 21:14:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64820 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2011 04:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2011 04:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2011 04:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2011 04:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2011 04:14:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 04:14:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E38C3E4.7020807@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.31 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=lR6FB89iPyW8yLSBjS4lRkBD4WCepXG1VyMJo3ST8PUeV5GGMg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > I think that was a problem with CQUAM, but before you get too critical,=20 > ALL of the AM stereo systems had their limitations in one way or=20 > another. AM/FM, AM/PM would have to roll off high frequencies into the=20 > FM or PM modulator so as not to overdeviate and splatter into adjacent=20 > channels, as well as negative modulation limits. ISB was limited more=20 > by the technology of the time, not to mention the cantankerousness of=20 > its inventor. >=20 > Scott Todd > Hi Scott!!! I understand that all the analog Orban Optimod AM Stereo has an special mat= rix thinking in this problem. Whatever, today we can get the best "sound on the air" with ISB AM stereo, = using digital technology into the exciter. Even more, I guess C-QUAM could be better if all the exciter process would = be done into the digital domain (I understand that the first Harris DX-10 g= eneration had a digital approach to generate C-Quam, but I'm not sure). How much audible (and "heavy") distortion we could expect (into an standard= C-Quam installation) without to use the "matrix"? In other words, Can we b= e "saved" if we don't use the "matrix"? ??? (It is intended to the stations without Optimod devices). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 03 07:49:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38005 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2011 14:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2011 14:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2011 14:49:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2011 14:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2011 14:49:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:49:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Yajy6hWB_ttX1Sz4DT27nNUtdYyFkTa1ddhGpTeIdKUjgZNqz3roaxg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Regarding audio processing on CQUAM: You basically didn't want to have more than 75% single channel stereo modul= ation with 0% on the other channel, as that caused bass distortion in the 1= st generation chipset.=20=20 I did NOT notice that single-channel bass problem in the 2nd and 3rd genera= tion receiver chipsets, so single channel-heavy songs from the 60's (Momma&= Papas; Beatles 5&6th CDs) didn't have any issue like the 1st gen (or Sony c= hipset also had that issue) and sounded quite good. john From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Aug 03 09:24:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44232 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2011 16:24:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2011 16:24:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2011 16:24:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2011 16:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2011 16:24:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:24:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.31 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a STL question? O.F X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6FTAnprksI3JY0PPKINdkqmlVf7QB_Eg1WVw6vIDquLJB4XuSg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi John!!! It's so good to hear about the improvements on the 2nd and 3rd generation o= f C-QUAM decoder chips. Whatever, according to the samples I've heard, the C-QUAM sound is enough g= ood to compete with any FM stereo station (there is a YouTube sample where = I could say it is better than FM). Just a question, even knowing I could be treated as an old fool, Why to use= the C-QUAM chips if it is possible to make all the decoding process with s= eparate components? I mean, there is a lot of balanced modulators chips to = use, and there are AGC chips, and there are IF chips, etc. Maybe, we can im= prove the performance using separate components (like the Heathkit Hi-Fi qu= ality, old fashion way). Or... Is that way too expensive? ??? Just a questi= on. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Regarding audio processing on CQUAM: >=20 > You basically didn't want to have more than 75% single channel stereo mod= ulation with 0% on the other channel, as that caused bass distortion in the= 1st generation chipset.=20=20 > I did NOT notice that single-channel bass problem in the 2nd and 3rd gene= ration receiver chipsets, so single channel-heavy songs from the 60's (Momm= a&Papas; Beatles 5&6th CDs) didn't have any issue like the 1st gen (or Sony= chipset also had that issue) and sounded quite good. >=20 > john > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 03 21:53:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94253 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2011 04:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2011 04:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.118) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2011 04:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2011 04:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.91] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2011 04:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2011 04:52:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 570975.13622.bm@omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 58560 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2011 04:52:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 74qohawVM1mCgLNtoAan2pgH42KHT8oXmlcb1tbN8cGD4.M Op.5Hb6qFUW.vTryr7Fe8E7gWeOpXY55DlGPuZVPtjKNreRRNesctqOfzFDT BrJTlOlKrnTVvd5ydOsnxtRFXyOE3EaQZZi8toD6NhW.Yv81HT2fheSi4o.U Fabt1bn0UXsmk0.7nDkND4WzZkfIj98_kaSyQt_F165eEO1Fsqw1bI_sAgr_ OEfLZy2.RXnZbMmkeqkLgYewOIeSol09EscuYsqIJRGiNOKZsooM974OymNC 4vGG0cqQrR_PNKuVy3jnd0M7jOVVrTgxePi.04F1Twj3Zs7eyIEMZW23T.w3 lpyM4_6WwL5oPCEv7dYmg_JnF34f6CPonntqkbT7LQMe5W0A.lbtzNh1BpcB NuNtcpqWq56xZ7kW9qAeIo7aMWw8GCPYpyhKuZcpzcGAitOMHlC92KEbbm5G q7Q92fmDb3DuFHvrtBKw- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.22.189.31 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Aug 2011 21:52:55 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <55127F0B17E6466986389A2D69D8C895@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:52:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.118 From: "jim smith" Subject: Hi Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=NicICKTKs1-9ft-asI3iOSHAxgmW116KY6jMjCs9OKv7iGgeZz_Ify05j74Jj8XVnLJEz71_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Well it seems that www.amstereoradio.com is gone now. Both there site is gone and there Google forum is gone. But Jeff Deck's station list is still up and runing and more up to date than this sites station list. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 04 20:19:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62423 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2011 03:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2011 03:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.203) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2011 03:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2011 03:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.121] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2011 03:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2011 03:19:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 14319.44082.bm@omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 76759 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2011 03:19:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: dQbeFBcVM1lwFxBTNmItJ7L4.XyBG9Yj_V7Iib2HoBgs4e9 xMOjs9S7DK9_Q3sxegMtFautmK6AoD_GRsLgKGCACxVF_OYfNVrKqZ4.bFMh uodKhSJnQDHssnXKsG0Tye_TFU1CSqKnjk.DEnBcg4n1PpNJb.aqtQzvxoBy xK.dTZDiufA94hq_g2mcIjVzqHYN7UmV4j_V.zZ3i7daEdRSr7OXtLmwkByI pwCmU8kiMGQqk1X9mV5U_uP6qUND2TmUyI.DDfFQriRiQXT0J0WY_KGhx61c 4caCajWSJioNg2xH_NbxzvO1NyG2E2m4rg5fpq9NIo_3Vk68fsNy3VcuPJNr AsbD7lLvxxqfjgCoeN02AtqFIERvNUeFY5kWEACOJQagKOUMg644BN5c4FuN fQaJO5w4bFI08pNTn._9PJmPm3k2phQyA4ML.VELS X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.7.82.216 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Aug 2011 20:19:19 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:19:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.203 From: "jim smith" Subject: Jerry Lewis O.T X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Gf3kDcEY-Kzt_ylksHOc0CfnRjKAiDLeSFFWI4JWUntsfqr1DvRH5bI_xE9wsXUHW1FDUuPn X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had just found out that Lerry Lewis (age 85) had left M.D.A. This years telethon was sopost to be his last show with only a 6 hour telethon insted of the nomal 22 hour telethon. All i can say about this is that i wish him good luck for the rest of his time. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 06 12:20:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84168 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2011 19:20:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2011 19:20:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2011 19:20:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2011 19:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2011 19:20:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:20:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.84 From: "Jota" Subject: Slightly Out of Topics Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=o8y1WFmAGNZIAwsZX049VKH51wPnBnBLKpmEqJnDmG9ZEJPIKg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if we could get some special kind of flat panel loudspeakers which= were famous in the 1970's. I mean, vertical flat panels, normally around 1= .5 meters high. Something like a folding door or screen. Can we get it toda= y? I mean, 0 miles. Does somebody have a clue about it? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 06 12:48:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43050 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2011 19:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2011 19:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2011 19:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110806144827102071200010> for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 14:48:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E3D9A74.4000403@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 14:48:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 14:48:27 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly Out of Topics Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=kXd8O-F_BoRr7c1pm15W_Hnh_jiyc1xEtLzwVoENFcgoxeZuzR2w X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/6/2011 2:20 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > > I wonder if we could get some special kind of flat panel loudspeakers > which were famous in the 1970's. I mean, vertical flat panels, normally > around 1.5 meters high. Something like a folding door or screen. Can we > get it today? I mean, 0 miles. Does somebody have a clue about it? ??? > > They're known as electrostatic loudspeakers. I'm sure a Google search would find any data you want on them. They're not cheap, however. Save your money for some AM stereo equipment for your radio station. Scott Todd From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Aug 06 13:33:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40512 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2011 20:33:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2011 20:33:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173011pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.11) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2011 20:33:12 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.67]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LPI00JO0X393E22@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:33:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <57AE0B158F4640D5B98534FC8B20CBB3@RichardPC> To: References: In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:33:13 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.11 From: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly Out of Topics Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Below is a link to an article by a fellow who describes his experiences wit= h column speakers. One of the things he describes was called the =E2=80=9C= Sweet Sixteen=E2=80=9D speaker system, back in the early 1960s. My friend = and I built one, and it wasn=E2=80=99t bad, but not great either. One thin= g we discovered was that the speaker system would play much louder without = distortion than the individual speakers would have by themselves. Dick W. Link: http://www.roger-russell.com/columns/columns.htm#sweet From: Jota=20 Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 3:20 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: {AMSF} Slightly Out of Topics Issue =20=20 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if we could get some special kind of flat panel loudspeakers which= were famous in the 1970's. I mean, vertical flat panels, normally around 1= .5 meters high. Something like a folding door or screen. Can we get it toda= y? I mean, 0 miles. Does somebody have a clue about it? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Aug 07 09:01:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99264 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2011 16:01:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2011 16:01:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2011 16:01:01 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110807110040102393700010> for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:00:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E3EB68F.7050107@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:00:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:00:40 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110726-0, 07/26/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly Out of Topics Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=3xfofLmrBabi_sXFHaNu3fm7LKEWij-szvtV9Sum3R3-rnsSR8ew X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/6/2011 2:20 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > > I wonder if we could get some special kind of flat panel loudspeakers > which were famous in the 1970's. I mean, vertical flat panels, normally > around 1.5 meters high. Something like a folding door or screen. Can we > get it today? I mean, 0 miles. Does somebody have a clue about it? ??? Found out there are some drivers that are made to vibrate large panels, table tops and window panes. You could find something like that, though I suspect how good they work may depend upon what you're using them on. Scott From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Aug 07 10:30:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80564 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2011 17:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2011 17:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f41.google.com) (209.85.213.41) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2011 17:30:46 -0000 X-Received: by ywa6 with SMTP id 6so2997240ywa.14 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:30:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.10.29 with SMTP id 29mr3838687agj.63.1312738245792; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s13sm4006455anm.6.2011.08.07.10.30.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:30:43 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <77D081BA-3295-4837-8100-C6245ACB84DA@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.41 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly Out of Topics Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ju_8f28wBVtt0GGV1ExDJ1dN63kRwV5AjPJ1KFHLATrLUOD_gdrVu6j2lzCPKA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Jota wrote: > I wonder if we could get some special kind of flat panel loudspeakers whi= ch were famous in the 1970's. I mean, vertical flat panels, normally around= 1.5 meters high. Something like a folding door or screen. Can we get it to= day? I mean, 0 miles. Does somebody have a clue about it? ??? Oh Yes and boy do they sound GOOD! You are talking about the Quad electrost= atic loudspeaker and they are still made today! I like the ESL-989. at abou= t $9000 Bucks, they are pricy, but if ya want the best... 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Aug 07 12:00:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94261 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2011 19:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2011 19:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.18) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2011 19:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2011 19:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2011 19:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2011 19:00:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:00:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E3D9A74.4000403@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.18 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.19 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly Out of Topics Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9hNL5j75Kszs3jkU4wNeIGCJQa4-qfLEue4WJbXKQw81kn_HfA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Scott!!! Hahaha!!! Don't worry, buddy. It isn't to me. I think I have enough amount = of speakers wood box at home and studio, hahahaha!!! The panel idea is for a local church. They want to use some speakers system= which can be almost "invisible" (it is a decoration issue, nothing more). So... I just keep with the fact to ask for them. Nothing more. BTW: I knew a pair of those flat panel, a lot of years ago, and they sound.= .. outstanding, man!!! But... it is out of my range. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > > > They're known as electrostatic loudspeakers. I'm sure a Google search=20 > would find any data you want on them. They're not cheap, however. Save= =20 > your money for some AM stereo equipment for your radio station. >=20 > Scott Todd > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Aug 07 12:02:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61136 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2011 19:02:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2011 19:02:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2011 19:02:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2011 19:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2011 19:02:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:02:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <57AE0B158F4640D5B98534FC8B20CBB3@RichardPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.19 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly Out of Topics Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=uUr_EffbJZu2Dgtul2ypCoD7n5HWcxH0B5M7TwqKmgGaGJftfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Dick!!! Thanks a lot for your link. It is a very good work. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > Below is a link to an article by a fellow who describes his experiences w= ith column speakers. One of the things he describes was called the =E2=80= =9CSweet Sixteen=E2=80=9D speaker system, back in the early 1960s. My frie= nd and I built one, and it wasn=E2=80=99t bad, but not great either. One t= hing we discovered was that the speaker system would play much louder witho= ut distortion than the individual speakers would have by themselves. > Dick W. >=20 > Link: http://www.roger-russell.com/columns/columns.htm#sweet >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Jota=20 > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 3:20 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Subject: {AMSF} Slightly Out of Topics Issue >=20 >=20=20=20 > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if we could get some special kind of flat panel loudspeakers whi= ch were famous in the 1970's. I mean, vertical flat panels, normally around= 1.5 meters high. Something like a folding door or screen. Can we get it to= day? I mean, 0 miles. Does somebody have a clue about it? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Aug 08 09:04:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50015 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2011 16:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2011 16:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.146) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2011 16:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP124 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:04:27 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP124.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:04:26 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:04:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2011 16:04:26.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[D90E28B0:01CC55E4] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.146 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: excellent condition ax10 CQUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ydAFrUcEMVcoxnQehpvtMTsOpAuyVvyHJr9VcRX4eu1R X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd someone was looking for an exciter. i just got someone who i might buy an EAS endec and some belar fm monitors. so im thinking about $500.00 for the exciter i can supply pics its in new condition cosmetically and electronic wise From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 18:36:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8483 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2011 01:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2011 01:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2011 01:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2011 01:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2011 01:36:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:36:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.64 From: "Jota" Subject: IBOC and the low power stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=O3gVdBh4MdYYMB2z6XYDZ5bPziGnllM4G22wHHEzAn9yyxh_gA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! The spanish Radio World Magazine last issue talks about the "community" sta= tions into the spanish-speaking part of America, specially in South America= . I know these "community" stations (low power TXs) are not an important nich= e to the radio industry, but it is a reality which should be seen as a sign= . The today FM "community" stations (in Chile they can have 1 Watts max) aren= 't interesting on IBOC or DRM because... the very low power!!! Will the man= ufacturers be interesting to make a digital TX with only 1 Watts output pow= er? ??? Extrapolating it to the AM band, and knowing IBOC needs high power on MW an= d SW, I wonder what will be the future to the 1000 or less Watts stations. = Do they have to dissapear? ??? So... LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AUDIO AM!!! And, please, leave the digital on the studio. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Aug 08 18:41:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28187 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2011 01:41:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2011 01:41:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f170.google.com) (209.85.160.170) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2011 01:41:08 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gy0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 5so1738960gyd.1 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:41:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.91.68.5 with SMTP id v5mr5226245agk.1.1312854067986; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w1sm2871740yhi.37.2011.08.08.18.41.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 21:41:04 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <26795163-DF72-4F47-A93F-EE24B78697E8@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and the low power stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=HbPZ80aTQGlLuZr1Suv8bW3534WkuibdCVC_Z30JxPRukKFHJPioW3VDN_1PFA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Jota wrote: > The today FM "community" stations (in Chile they can have 1 Watts max) ar= en't interesting on IBOC or DRM because... the very low power!!! Will the m= anufacturers be interesting to make a digital TX with only 1 Watts output p= ower? ??? Perhaps the Chinese Transmitter companied such as HLLY might cook up a DRM = unit? They would never pay the licensing fees to Ibiquity for HD-Radio. > Extrapolating it to the AM band, and knowing IBOC needs high power on MW = and SW, I wonder what will be the future to the 1000 or less Watts stations= . Do they have to dissapear? ??? I doubt it. The HD-Radio stations on AM are dropping like flies. > So... LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AUDIO AM!!! AMEN! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Aug 08 18:50:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7772 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2011 01:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2011 01:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173013pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.13) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2011 01:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.67]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LPN002U412PFOE1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 20:49:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <50348D0FCC0546048A003AE485D1B5B0@RichardPC> To: References: In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 21:49:41 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.13 From: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and the low power stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, with regard to AM IBOC, since there are virtually no AM IBOC receivers= (and even less being available with each month that goes by), AM IBOC is l= ike a bear howling in the middle of the woods =E2=80=93 there=E2=80=99s nob= ody there to hear him. Dick W. From: Jota=20 Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:36 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: {AMSF} IBOC and the low power stations =20=20 Hi gang!!! The spanish Radio World Magazine last issue talks about the "community" sta= tions into the spanish-speaking part of America, specially in South America= . I know these "community" stations (low power TXs) are not an important nich= e to the radio industry, but it is a reality which should be seen as a sign= . The today FM "community" stations (in Chile they can have 1 Watts max) aren= 't interesting on IBOC or DRM because... the very low power!!! Will the man= ufacturers be interesting to make a digital TX with only 1 Watts output pow= er? ??? Extrapolating it to the AM band, and knowing IBOC needs high power on MW an= d SW, I wonder what will be the future to the 1000 or less Watts stations. = Do they have to dissapear? ??? So... LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AUDIO AM!!! And, please, leave the digital on the studio. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 08 18:50:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72497 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2011 01:50:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2011 01:50:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2011 01:50:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2011 01:50:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2011 01:50:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:50:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.64 From: "Jota" Subject: Quadraphonic audio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=cvT2JiUwK4QkVxA-stpE-E7t2EhmIwq1_hCTQqt6cvnuVvSOsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! As you know, I'm a Hi-Fi audio fan and maniatic. In this line, you know I l= ike to experiment with 4 channels audio (I'd want to play with 5.1 but I do= n't have an appropiate amplifier, my receiver has only 4 channels). I knew and I saw, some day in the 1970's, quadraphonic headphones. Unfortun= ately, I think nobody makes it today. And I wonder... Why? Wasn't it a good= idea? ??? Today we have plenty models of 5.1 or 7.1 audio systems (I hope to get some= one soon), but... the headphone connectors are only to stereo devices. So.= .. BTW, my old Pioneer QX-949A has two headphone connectors: one to the front = channels and other to the rear channels... But I just have stereo headphone= s!!! Snif, Snif!!! hahahaha!!! Well, if somebody can convince the manufacters to re-make quadra headphones= , WELCOME!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Aug 08 19:11:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47998 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2011 02:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2011 02:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f176.google.com) (209.85.160.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2011 02:11:14 -0000 X-Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so3230435gyg.21 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.87.10 with SMTP id p10mr4022869ybl.247.1312855874278; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j3sm6088066yhl.80.2011.08.08.19.11.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <50348D0FCC0546048A003AE485D1B5B0@RichardPC> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 22:11:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3C00C7E5-2D34-4F9A-8DF5-76EE9A430D4E@gmail.com> References: <50348D0FCC0546048A003AE485D1B5B0@RichardPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and the low power stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=gC4IfrItoEMRQY_HdGwCqckAKimKPVv41s8BM-BrBIB4WiCnTEcI78yMq9SPXg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Dick W. wrote: > Yes, with regard to AM IBOC, since there are virtually no AM IBOC receive= rs (and even less being available with each month that goes by), AM IBOC is= like a bear howling in the middle of the woods =96 there=92s nobody there = to hear him. I think Ford and Kenwood car radios are the only ones left that do AM HD-Ra= dio... 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 09 08:26:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89904 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2011 15:26:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2011 15:26:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2011 15:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2011 15:26:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2011 15:26:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2011 15:26:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 15:26:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C00C7E5-2D34-4F9A-8DF5-76EE9A430D4E@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.252 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.152 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and the low power stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gUnqkNmU4x8dHIbQVbF3paI_hEgybhTlp8Ay5avXD456N_OTNg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Kevin!!! I just wonder if the radio models you're talking about have a "decent" anal= og AM audio. ??? BTW: I've used the "Center Channel Extractor" utility from the Adobe Auditi= on PC program to reduce the groove noise from the monophonic audio old viny= l records. It is because the program removes the non monophonic audio (in t= his case: the groove noise). So... I thought if there was some software, in= side a tuner, to eliminate the typical sidebands noise in a typical mono AM= station. And, at the same time, if there is some, if that kind of digital = noise reduction affects, and how, to the C-QUAM decoding process. Some data= ? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > I think Ford and Kenwood car radios are the only ones left that do AM HD-= Radio... >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Aug 09 08:49:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50701 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2011 15:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2011 15:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f171.google.com) (209.85.160.171) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2011 15:49:48 -0000 X-Received: by gye5 with SMTP id 5so128880gye.16 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 08:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.77.200 with SMTP id d48mr3093376yhe.82.1312904987610; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 08:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n45sm57585yhm.12.2011.08.09.08.49.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Aug 2011 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:49:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC and the low power stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=5tPCNAM7Wp3h_GPNnYdbX579zBWg3747vx6UOdz9cT4uLM3gd-i2FU9WuCD_yA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 9, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Jota wrote: > I just wonder if the radio models you're talking about have a "decent" analog AM audio. ??? No, the Kenwood sounds like a Tin Can and the Ford Radio is near Deaf. :-( 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 11 14:48:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27949 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2011 21:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2011 21:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2011 21:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2011 21:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2011 21:48:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:48:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.229.186.25 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 in brand new condition insiude and out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=TTJXixseA3fBAbv3LQSFt_vYuSPSh9G_V8g0eAyG4dR0 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i have two AX-10's. i wasnt going to part with any of them but an opportuni= ty arose for me to add some belar monitors and an EAS to my lineup of equip= ment so i am reluctantly going to part with one of these extremely rare to = find (much less in excellent condition) and sought after exciters to financ= e the purchase. i will ship international as always and am asking a cost of= $500.00 firm plus applicable paypal and shipping charges. this one will no= t be going to ebay at all nor will i budge on price at all, it's firm. can = supply hi res pics in any way angle inside and out you want of the exciter.= i have sold a few exciters to members on here and no one has ever been dis= appointed with their purchases. if i dont get my asking price it will just = stay in the closet and i will look for something else to sell. if the belar= and eas stuff becomes no longer available before i sell the exciter then t= he exciter will be taken off the market so if you really want one of these = dont wait too long or your chance will pass you by. robert p. chrysafis kc8gpd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 13 11:53:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50092 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2011 18:53:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2011 18:53:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2011 18:53:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2011 18:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2011 18:53:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:53:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.219 From: "Jota" Subject: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ENdFcJUjDHaXkOdgXUJjClBUfBCv1_pukmtKgbjgI9h52J8agQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I know the synchronous mode is more often intended to FM signals, but... I = wonder if somebody knows about the possibility to use C-QUAM AM Stereo with= this mode (two stations, with the same carrier frecuency, both with the sa= me power, separated in a way to cover the double or more area). Is it possible? Is there some hard problem to solve? What about the carrier= s synchronization? What about the overlap areas? ??? Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sun Aug 14 14:22:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34999 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2011 21:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2011 21:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2011 21:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B156C085 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:22:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E483CAB.5020805@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:22:51 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=otieyfzzQkr2dO7xc5hQf8KILbb7ZG5eXK6VJFlWhvJhqA X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst C-QuAM is just a modified version of 90° QuAM, which is synchronous AM, a lá Harris AM Stereo. This was the point pushed by Harris as offering signal detection integrity rivaling that of FM detection. C-QuAM solves the transmission headroom problem for mono vs. stereo where the mono part of the QuAM signal requires a power reduction to make room for the additional envelope power produced by the stereo modulation. Reception during noisy conditions is another issue unless you use a synchronous QuAM detector. In fact there is little audible difference in detecting C-QuAM as QuAM vs. C-QuAM. While this may slightly reduce separation the distortion produced is mostly even harmonics appearing as treble boost. Even the SONY radios didn't decode C-QuAM mathematically correctly but did produce good results and QuAM detection is actually mathematically closer to C-QuAM. With a strong and clean signal C-QuAM detection works fine but degrades as interference increases and detection should be switched to QuAM at this time for best reception. The 2nd and 3rd generation C-QuAM chips have greatly improved reception, even greatly reducing platform motion, but even with the MC13028 chip the desired signal still has a slightly scratchy sound to it during noisy conditions vs. QuAM detection in which the signal still maintains that polished FM sound cutting through all the noise. While the MC13020 chip didn't solve the platform motion issue it was easy to convert it to QuAM with this circuit: http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/HarrisHack.gif If any one has a radio with a MC13020 chip and can add this circuit to it the improvement is readily apparent during noisy conditions. For the best overall solution and given the available resources, e.g. exciters, Transmit in C-QuAM and receive in QuAM if a C-QuAM radio is easily convertable to QuAM, otherwise receive as C-QuAM with one of the later generation chips. If you want to have ISB use a C-QuAM exciter with audio phasing (Hilbert transform) filters preceding it and the same process for reception as above but with the added audio phasing filters to reverse the Hilbert transform. As a note, David Hershberger, one of the Harris AM Stereo developers, much later in a post, said that the only method better than Linear QuAM for AM Stereo was Linear ISB. Posted by: "Jota" jotape1960@yahoo.com jotape1960 Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:53 am (PDT) > Hi Gang!!! > I know the synchronous mode is more often intended to FM signals, > but... I wonder if somebody knows about the possibility to use > C-QUAM AM Stereo with this mode (two stations, with the same > carrier frecuency, both with the same power, separated in a way > to cover the double or more area). > Is it possible? Is there some hard problem to solve? What about the > carriers synchronization? What about the overlap areas? ??? From bratina501@msn.com Sun Aug 14 18:17:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88930 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2011 01:16:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2011 01:16:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.168) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2011 01:16:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2011 01:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2011 01:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2011 01:16:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:16:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.168 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Third Delco UX-1 version? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=vMK8NNfNNjXyeOQvSH0rR3oKjaZPG_DFzVU5Yo7J6JpghZmeZg X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 After I got my particular one off of eBay I noticed something odd, its an o= riginal style UX-1 in the form made from 1986 to 1993 but it tunes in the e= xpanded band. The tuner was made in August of 1990 so that leads me to beli= eve Delco was getting ready for the FCC to extend the AM band. Could this p= ossibly have been an alternate version? From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 15:14:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43418 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2011 22:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2011 22:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.128) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2011 22:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2011 22:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2011 22:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2011 22:13:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:13:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E483CAB.5020805@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.14 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=KFu6HTcUZTHOXWSGVC1M0Y5Z46A5qH5NsqzP5xs0tUp4jShhvA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Thanks for your data, but I think I didn't express my question with the rig= ht words. What I was talking about is if we can use two AM transmitters, both with th= e same carrier frecuency (let's say 1260 kHz), both with the same power (le= t's say 1 KW), both with C-QUAM AM Stereo, but with a distance between both= transmitters around, let's say, 60 kilometers (around 39 terrestrial miles= ), thinking to double the coverage area. Can we? What about the overlap are= a? Can we start a car trip, from the TX 1, listening the signal up to the T= X 2 without major problems in the way? ??? Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: > >=20 > C-QuAM is just a modified version of 90=B0 QuAM, which is synchron= ous AM, a l=E1 Harris AM Stereo.... (cut) From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 15:39:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83209 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2011 22:39:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2011 22:39:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f175.google.com) (209.85.161.175) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2011 22:39:04 -0000 X-Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so774805gxk.20 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:39:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.91.72.9 with SMTP id z9mr2739544agk.61.1313447943532; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c15sm4044992anm.20.2011.08.15.15.39.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:38:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <18455999-41C8-42C3-A0A1-8B29D351FDD9@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Yehdi_klqUZxRjwRRXJ6iuhV1pu2wiV26i7hqtu1R7xxAsVSpwE_XXu6zU0tzA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Jota wrote: > What I was talking about is if we can use two AM transmitters, both with the same carrier frecuency (let's say 1260 kHz), both with the same power (let's say 1 KW), both with C-QUAM AM Stereo, but with a distance between both transmitters around, let's say, 60 kilometers (around 39 terrestrial miles), thinking to double the coverage area. Can we? What about the overlap area? Can we start a car trip, from the TX 1, listening the signal up to the TX 2 without major problems in the way? ??? Yes you can do that if both transmitters are synchronized. HD-Radio exciters are synchronized from the GPS Satellites, but I am not sure if there are any C-QUAM exciters out there that are. You may want to call your friendly BE or Nautel Rep. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 19:47:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16839 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2011 02:47:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2011 02:47:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2011 02:47:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2011 02:47:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2011 02:47:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:47:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E483CAB.5020805@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Super Site for AM Stereo Circuits and TM-152 Mods X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zRt4HCwh51q9CNKXrfhdSQfMBpTrvlvicRjTbmxmViWm8xOD9n85XjI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's a great resource for some AM Stereo projects from engineer JSG: http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/ John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Aug 16 10:51:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18336 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2011 17:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2011 17:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2011 17:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP352 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:51:10 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP352.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:51:09 -0700 To: References: <18455999-41C8-42C3-A0A1-8B29D351FDD9@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:51:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2011 17:51:09.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[145F4490:01CC5C3D] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=XCvfflf_fPernKj4X1F4BxB8_u-7MVy_t3WOcUtNaM6B X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd syncing cquam exciters should be accomplished in the same manner as any other exciter which i beleive is done by using a gps signal as the reference source in place of a crystal for the oscillator. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Raper" To: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Jota wrote: > >> What I was talking about is if we can use two AM transmitters, both with >> the same carrier frecuency (let's say 1260 kHz), both with the same power >> (let's say 1 KW), both with C-QUAM AM Stereo, but with a distance between >> both transmitters around, let's say, 60 kilometers (around 39 terrestrial >> miles), thinking to double the coverage area. Can we? What about the >> overlap area? Can we start a car trip, from the TX 1, listening the >> signal up to the TX 2 without major problems in the way? ??? > > Yes you can do that if both transmitters are synchronized. HD-Radio > exciters are synchronized from the GPS Satellites, but I am not sure if > there are any C-QUAM exciters out there that are. You may want to call > your friendly BE or Nautel Rep. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Aug 19 17:02:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40187 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2011 00:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2011 00:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2011 00:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110819190131100037700010> for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:01:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E4EF92D.8030702@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:00:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:01:31 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110819-1, 08/19/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Third Delco UX-1 version? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=EZ0_77aJyNaijeSvCXh_6U79g5QrGH8OrHLp6yNgN1dyW9Jirk8K X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/14/2011 8:17 PM, nicholas wrote: > After I got my particular one off of eBay I noticed something odd, its > an original style UX-1 in the form made from 1986 to 1993 but it tunes > in the expanded band. The tuner was made in August of 1990 so that leads > me to believe Delco was getting ready for the FCC to extend the AM band. > Could this possibly have been an alternate version? It wouldn't surprise me. My dad got a 91 Nissan Pathfinder that already had it as well. I had to add the AM stereo, however. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 17:34:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68930 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2011 00:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2011 00:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2011 00:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2011 00:34:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2011 00:34:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:34:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.112 From: "Jota" Subject: Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=semYQKiJ_ZXpkx59aZafnYzoC5J5p-8h-Yl_OHhxQiVBnFt_xQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder when and why the specs of the old devices started to seem a hidden= campaign against the AM. The 1960's devices has a lot of specs to the AM bands. Things like the audi= o frecuency response, audio distortion, signal to noise ratio, IF frecuency= , adjacent channel rejection, etc. In the 1970's, the same devices lost almost all that specs. We can get the = full FM band specs, only. Since the 1980's, up today, we can't get specs to the any radio part at all= . So... I wonder... Why? Even so, I get a Marantz 2215B, supposedly a Hi-Fi Stereo receiver, and it = has an AM audio frecuency response from 40 Hz to... 2.3 kHz!!! It is the sa= me that a telephone!!! And nobody did something? ??? Non AM broadcaster complained against this ab= use? ??? I really don't understand. Can somebody explain this to me, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love an hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 17:42:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63704 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2011 00:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2011 00:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2011 00:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2011 00:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2011 00:42:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:42:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.112 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=EfbIPNmad_11lYzfmQ-KOBFcikngJSd3dpFTvvCXkxoYJQ-Q5w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I wonder what about the audio synchronization. I mean: we can sync the carriers but, What about the audio? If we use satellital audio link, we get a very noticeable audio delay. If we use terrestrial links, I don't know if there is some delay. If we use Internet audio, I don't know if we could get some sync. So... Some idea? ??? BTW: I guess all the satellital audio services are expensive and... full di= gital. And, I guess, the digital way (coding-decoding process) is the main = reason of the noticeable delay (and the expensive tax, too). So... I wonder= if we could get an analog audio satellital service. Isn't there something = like that? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > syncing cquam exciters should be accomplished in the same manner as any=20 > other exciter which i beleive is done by using a gps signal as the refere= nce=20 > source in place of a crystal for the oscillator. >=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 18:47:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78692 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2011 01:47:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2011 01:47:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s9.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.148) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2011 01:47:28 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP195 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:47:28 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP195.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:47:27 -0700 To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:47:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2011 01:47:27.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D86E410:01CC5EDB] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.148 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=sCbm-4wn7d3YucdaCcpgsA-kgct6hHywT_vZaLVvl0gD X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd use an uncompressed microwave link or use equalized leased lines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jota" To: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo Hi!!! I wonder what about the audio synchronization. I mean: we can sync the carriers but, What about the audio? If we use satellital audio link, we get a very noticeable audio delay. If we use terrestrial links, I don't know if there is some delay. If we use Internet audio, I don't know if we could get some sync. So... Some idea? ??? BTW: I guess all the satellital audio services are expensive and... full digital. And, I guess, the digital way (coding-decoding process) is the main reason of the noticeable delay (and the expensive tax, too). So... I wonder if we could get an analog audio satellital service. Isn't there something like that? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jesús Paredes Guerra From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > > syncing cquam exciters should be accomplished in the same manner as any > other exciter which i beleive is done by using a gps signal as the > reference > source in place of a crystal for the oscillator. > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From keith1226@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 20:51:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87743 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2011 03:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2011 03:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm20.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.90) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2011 03:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm20.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2011 03:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.56] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2011 03:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2011 03:51:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 306814.11887.bm@omp1056.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 15812 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2011 03:51:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YjKel90VM1mBIbFfDF_Xkg89xJIQgFAhBPvJbTU8BXNNcCu hdP3Sqno72IvDlb_tR3O7U0FNUEEWt.CMighaP9UCJtx9JHN2Jv.VbKGomiU d4twHLOHpeZtYE.2lM5NRAVHk.ObFS7Y43SrzAefxiqM2J0johzcnfjDEi.r 8G70gZzniQ9QhBf0uXGvm3dDH2yBVUn1psuS3RFTDAtrPP9fTNXFxYIzYk5b yjocZoWgwxAA7kC_ZbJYVEush.1Of676H6rAVMu18ixNXWs97jB5fRXp.8US cqwtdpBCgmUBa4.lwoTnDpK1Syw3nD1n3BmF3ahZ2wo3oSEeCP9I1rCVAAEX 0F_FBBqydzFAL_hb2ZINLnBqSSI3OK_OUN0UmEa89xt.RdEzdSzajXzB3gKC xNyqEsc8BGctWfaBe1SKJ051ZdkG33LyNDUHdaFU2nIlDbxy73m4DYKOtYcw BKw9YCIgKTHj_HI1vWFCTa.8j8CJ.boows1V4VGjQVPBhpDg2dXbAgosVEiy A8cqEv7fEN5pobO9zBni489NQaeX8sGos8y6qU46WxIewUkW3dcYJEjrBulH PH8z_UQi1CtDoefG9dbRgp_FNpux5IzkWEa26GhEndrQ- X-Received: from [67.183.112.24] by web112301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:51:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.313619 Message-ID: <1313812315.2127.YahooMailClassic@web112301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:51:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=JWfxhRJC7Ljiw4s5lPzJGTUTT6-2Qf02BKhemMyTr9jH7GfM X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Juan,=20 Well, here in the USA at least, since about 1980 (maybe earlier) FM has bee= n considered the more "high fidelity" of the two broadcast bands. With more= and more "talk radio" programming on AM, and music listeners listening to = FM, maybe it was assumed by the manufacturers that AM listeners didn't care= about audio frequency response specs. I don't think it was a conspiracy. B= ut...who knows....?? ;-) Keith B.=20 --- On Fri, 8/19/11, Jota wrote: > From: Jota > Subject: {AMSF} Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 19, 2011, 5:34 PM > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder when and why the specs of the old devices started > to seem a hidden campaign against the AM. >=20 > The 1960's devices has a lot of specs to the AM bands. > Things like the audio frecuency response, audio distortion, > signal to noise ratio, IF frecuency, adjacent channel > rejection, etc. >=20 > In the 1970's, the same devices lost almost all that specs. > We can get the full FM band specs, only. >=20 > Since the 1980's, up today, we can't get specs to the any > radio part at all. >=20 > So... I wonder... Why? >=20 > Even so, I get a Marantz 2215B, supposedly a Hi-Fi Stereo > receiver, and it has an AM audio frecuency response from 40 > Hz to... 2.3 kHz!!! It is the same that a telephone!!! >=20 > And nobody did something? ??? Non AM broadcaster complained > against this abuse? ??? >=20 > I really don't understand. >=20 > Can somebody explain this to me, please? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love an hope >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sat Aug 20 16:12:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7553 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2011 23:12:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2011 23:12:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2011 23:12:18 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FD96C085 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:12:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E503F4F.1070702@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:12:15 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=mNA3Aa0yN1HB-7m2EVSHvcUzqkEIIMUObXNXQJAdCq8lAw X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst It's one thing to use gps to synchronize 2 carriers frequencies to avoid that obnoxious inter-carrier beat usually associated with co-channel interference but trying to make sure that the carriers are properly phased is another issue as this can also vary as to where the receiver is located. For instance at 1260KHz the wavelength is 238 meters and this would require that the two towers be placed at a multiple of 238 meters apart if both carriers had the exact same phase. Reception anywhere along the straight line between the 2 towers would receive the full sum of both signals. Being equal distance between the 2 towers and moving in either direction perpendicular to that line to form a cross would would also receive the full sum of both signals. In the 4 quadrants formed by the cross it would be a patchwork of coverage when a location from both towers is a multiple of 238 meters would give full coverage and a difference of distance at an odd multiple of 1/2 the wavelength as to put the carriers 180° out of phase would give no coverage. This is for a model with a completely flat terrain, no multi-path or skywave, and the radiation pattern from both towers were very similar. In the real world the patchwork pattern would be much less uniform. Add in signals with phasing information like a stereo signal and there would be a very low amount of channel separation even for reception along the line directly between the 2 towers. Posted by: "Jota" jotape1960@yahoo.com jotape1960 Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:14 pm (PDT) Hi!!! Thanks for your data, but I think I didn't express my question with the right words. What I was talking about is if we can use two AM transmitters, both with the same carrier frecuency (let's say 1260 kHz), both with the same power (let's say 1 KW), both with C-QUAM AM Stereo, but with a distance between both transmitters around, let's say, 60 kilometers (around 39 terrestrial miles), thinking to double the coverage area. Can we? What about the overlap area? Can we start a car trip, from the TX 1, listening the signal up to the TX 2 without major problems in the way? ??? From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sun Aug 21 10:03:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33391 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2011 17:03:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2011 17:03:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2011 17:03:02 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CDB6C085 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:03:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E513A44.90002@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:03:00 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=x0hWWLiuV38fv0DX8nRveaXBK001rhRYc1U0TE0YfEPghQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Here is a diagram of the interference pattern. Along the orange lines there will be maximum reception for the signal strength from each tower. Where like colors cross the same will be true. Where red and blue cross there will be a null and if the signals are equal strength from each tower the null will be complete. http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/IntPat.gif From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 21 21:25:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61483 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2011 04:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2011 04:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2011 04:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 04:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 04:25:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 04:25:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1313812315.2127.YahooMailClassic@web112301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.42.114.81 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Tc7jzKxdEntMxxR3OcKF9RNfRMEoeYiQiZnmsUZceJ4-XMh9LezqWbKUb1xKNo7GtvEHigre X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang It sure seemed that the FCC favored FM more than AM . And by settin= g TV STEREO right away seemed to work a lot better than the 17 year long r= ule making for AM STEREO. If you realy want to count from begening to end f= or AM STEREO from 1958 to 1992. Thats 33 years. Gee thats not favoring othe= r bands? Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, keith beesley wrote: > > Juan,=20 >=20 > Well, here in the USA at least, since about 1980 (maybe earlier) FM has b= een considered the more "high fidelity" of the two broadcast bands. With mo= re and more "talk radio" programming on AM, and music listeners listening t= o FM, maybe it was assumed by the manufacturers that AM listeners didn't ca= re about audio frequency response specs. I don't think it was a conspiracy.= But...who knows....?? ;-) >=20 > Keith B.=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 8/19/11, Jota wrote: >=20 > > From: Jota > > Subject: {AMSF} Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, August 19, 2011, 5:34 PM > > Hi Gang!!! > >=20 > > I wonder when and why the specs of the old devices started > > to seem a hidden campaign against the AM. > >=20 > > The 1960's devices has a lot of specs to the AM bands. > > Things like the audio frecuency response, audio distortion, > > signal to noise ratio, IF frecuency, adjacent channel > > rejection, etc. > >=20 > > In the 1970's, the same devices lost almost all that specs. > > We can get the full FM band specs, only. > >=20 > > Since the 1980's, up today, we can't get specs to the any > > radio part at all. > >=20 > > So... I wonder... Why? > >=20 > > Even so, I get a Marantz 2215B, supposedly a Hi-Fi Stereo > > receiver, and it has an AM audio frecuency response from 40 > > Hz to... 2.3 kHz!!! It is the same that a telephone!!! > >=20 > > And nobody did something? ??? Non AM broadcaster complained > > against this abuse? ??? > >=20 > > I really don't understand. > >=20 > > Can somebody explain this to me, please? > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love an hope > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > > Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > >=20 > >=20 > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Aug 22 07:13:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93772 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2011 14:13:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2011 14:13:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2011 14:13:37 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110822091315102589200010> for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:13:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E5263CC.4050104@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:12:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:13:15 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110804 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110822-0, 08/22/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=nqns7MvO-NgtBHLgpA2DG-xdkixg6vSRpgpsIu0TQ4kQDUBqUqB7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/21/2011 11:25 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang It sure seemed that the FCC favored FM more than AM . And by > setting TV STEREO right away seemed to work a lot better than the 17 > year long rule making for AM STEREO. If you realy want to count from > begening to end for AM STEREO from 1958 to 1992. Thats 33 years. Gee > thats not favoring other bands? Jim S No, it just means they learned their lesson on how NOT to do it. Scott From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 22 08:57:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82776 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2011 15:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2011 15:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.236.11) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2011 15:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 15:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.102] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 15:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 15:57:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 274669.23883.bm@omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 35985 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2011 15:57:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: cihp4r0VM1k2gzM0Kpe1bqbZJh05SUvNSRIvo7x.a7.13GD TarOXggseepi5PUdrv11E1PIMJyk8Nlx5ZXirhOSqGx5VIAkFqmvE5baJx2H yKvOGdAk4hB.Vdg.4whi2IfZ30gifbPcEXMfCKg91lwt3uBj9oMy9W.PNf6N dv5DNMDcuZnet6x8Ggd44jtVHMnMo2XpgSZGjhmJt3YqJ.RJtFS7jwwZOWKr Z4OhrulNPi53Ow6tRHNLYDhD682PkDG3tkzn1WXlNrbl8ygt7w8wswuCNh_s NRSbWOAGy28hiG1SX6hXY2ChAl9y1gX3erzihg5z12XujbTd1KO1Pkc3Wcxb Fkm2EJApOcD.lM_cpwImAijqM6Fl9k8igO6bKRRR.Py9JL6dx4K_3Eolq80o R_rMpLutAWmokUCFwFKX8tievHJ6lAssGmGWj_wvBr.sZKziFUTQOebX_kBM f0ZOtBbz9tRXiuLeLV9KGHcW4brax_bJ87IqjnCeCRuKukrKUg8t.6_LcYDs Va3Ks8xNeHHE_h5YI03wzWUYY.rBwMSCk4EJbzA9efkqAZle1L1uT9FoSAKe bYNa8aDupJbOytuWMo0FcxhaXy69PcXsxgq62X6XV9d0zZbF43GpLtndGaFT .5BgElClCLiiul_cLz8qnEd0vbVS9p1gtqwOSHgk49ugUN23Ue.AlYAcu8BD MhIqCobxhPjRnysmskTfyCNgf8RE1QV7JfqDdIbmJKfuTd_jvxuGJkI3se4n oP8e0yCnttoh8Nt9wSJCpHQ2jOA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@71.155.149.228 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2011 08:57:38 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <4E5263CC.4050104@usfamily.net> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:57:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.236.11 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=EWRw3FFMcnfaDfHEj86ArlK-d11fhlZ895Pcjoub-9QdHrEI1ORNIeKsIOV_lO-aGcoePpfh X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scott But TV STEREO came out close to same time AM STEREO did.Jim S ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) On 8/21/2011 11:25 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang It sure seemed that the FCC favored FM more than AM . And by > setting TV STEREO right away seemed to work a lot better than the 17 > year long rule making for AM STEREO. If you realy want to count from > begening to end for AM STEREO from 1958 to 1992. Thats 33 years. Gee > thats not favoring other bands? Jim S No, it just means they learned their lesson on how NOT to do it. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 13:12:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98844 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2011 20:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2011 20:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.189) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2011 20:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 20:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 20:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 20:12:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:12:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E513A44.90002@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.189 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Synchronous Mode / AM Stereo / Standards from FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=WghA-SrwN1HdW8V_GrKAKD8KsqubK6BfcwrQxGv2VgNVMmZTYpFIkEI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If you have two AM stereo transmitters, you should simply operate them on t= wo independant frequencies. Also, regarding the TV stereo selection; the FCC used the AM Stereo (lack o= f) decision as a reason WHY they DID make a TV standard right away (the bes= t parts of two systems) and why TV stereo took off within 3 years of the se= lection. Adapter boxes were made by Recoton, and I even had one to add TV = stereo to analog mono TVs! From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 13:34:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10814 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2011 20:34:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2011 20:34:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2011 20:34:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 20:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 20:34:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:34:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E513A44.90002@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.247 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Synchronous Mode and AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=X9xFgUUQs0pulf9c_cItIqhugfcGuTfaErr2ErMSlRs9KZkL3g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 THANKS A LOT FOR ALL YOUR DATA!!! Now I see it isn't impossible. I'll try to get a second license, here, to experiment. Very hard, but not i= mpossible. In the worst of the cases, here is more easy to change a license= d frecuency than to get a new one. So... GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 13:42:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28458 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2011 20:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2011 20:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.171) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2011 20:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 20:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 20:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 20:42:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:42:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.171 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.247 From: "Jota" Subject: Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=WgONczJXgs-_LIHMh1TWcPsw70fpISvhI2oEmmwxToGJvUFuxA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if we could use a 5 grs tracking force phono cartridge in a turnta= ble, like the Technics SL-1200MK-2, which only has up to 3 in the dial. I'm talking about the Shure SC35C. Could we? How? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 22 13:52:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54440 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2011 20:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2011 20:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.236.19) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2011 20:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 20:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.124] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 20:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 20:52:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 82788.50586.bm@omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83681 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2011 20:52:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: LxrQJjYVM1ll.50xNblYEgx8KR_cl38MlbQ8IyUQ5X4Fwso CEZiNvQ4Jue54fK8mdwZon_IcIrV3AXG47F0HLDepZ4h3adjEI7bPj1d4Up9 uoQlGU6zKNVARneiK0BbesWV_jbexLLVN17JAkli1KvRGnhbSRTq0JjMwEb8 geiipQc_KGoZhaeVHS3A2S3i55K06.OAcC4ZwG5ct0BQJBOl4wxVjSD5up1G xAm77ilgKHPn2H9zlWlbdrx4OlcZgSG_ZhQhBkq89UpF.5NozU5deqD5MxXm MyyFhgVZdbvtGx7SzixPoKQ.Nf0yosDleLg6sZlkTUgJCjIU4uoyNSlEyiPc ed7YmnBCAPGFSMMa8v7N3PTcjCW1Cl3Dc_Dw1_8JNQZj0LmTJYjCZvuM9x7C BS39SN.qCGaCBDQcFnNVWapA_B3Y6ggnTH92NGtAIMMQ0dRsnrfr2MHAGifV zwvx.yRhNipFS0hP82ZASHt.OnFbBKX7mvoiUR4l21QroP2rUR4V5croHos_ NASurw15JzGxWspt6K0PjUPgTfCr7SGkWIxqMjYjNklxGlNHygq7lG7pSajS 0fgBQCKH5Y6mdokubEu95fxB4GE0MSWn1vIF_6pSEZoTc6.mlIZjPtOjLE0C .enc8bXX_VpuAtxFR6LhJDu0UVNVrmAG2wto8T8_T59JXEVGGbg7nKPfaxF7 aXUQZf.SlbwCu2cEyDnYP1CPeoTDumafnTb.RLKNoViBmn3Yp8kQHz9ZDBR4 PqqSamur0gxlD.cXLtc5XUvv.1YWV75O1ViJIWZzt5iknh2z2hSjeUw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.16.135.17 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2011 13:52:44 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <3B54B98DC2354D30B2E5498D7D8A9BAB@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:52:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.236.19 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Synchronous Mode / AM Stereo / Standards from FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=9JJpSV_Dsv17CVgKMOOmNyUUjmcPe06qsuLt5ZH_-1TJsAn2k_6tZ74yfIi9lt534REZC7ha X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi But FCC had the last say with AM STEREO rule makeing. Thay should have stayed with Manavox. We would have a lot more AM STEREO stations on the air now and i have herd chips of Magnavox and it sounded realy good. I also had a TV STEREO tuner box also. It was a Realistic TV 100 TV STEREO audio tuner only. I had bot that and the Realistic TM 152 at the same time. Jim S ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 1:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Synchronous Mode / AM Stereo / Standards from FCC If you have two AM stereo transmitters, you should simply operate them on two independant frequencies. Also, regarding the TV stereo selection; the FCC used the AM Stereo (lack of) decision as a reason WHY they DID make a TV standard right away (the best parts of two systems) and why TV stereo took off within 3 years of the selection. Adapter boxes were made by Recoton, and I even had one to add TV stereo to analog mono TVs! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 14:19:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67850 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2011 21:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2011 21:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.99) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2011 21:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 21:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.50] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 21:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 21:19:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 309458.14017.bm@omp1050.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 7344 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2011 21:19:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3SCiJaEVM1nA1viSEyp1Zzk2bkvJhAMAzCrETEfO2x4iDOp 1chXkphe74qjYrmPAKASGLPqTVXC8Tc0A3nccw213ChNWm7DcWJxX52d6W.p FiL9avcalw2plP8VMNwmd0GrLAhbPr4l2T74qq1j5E4cFEP8_mLlhP23jRrY bz0Au6Spo9WEgZWGu62OZfYCrNixx9CJ2fPPIGD5brQ2x2K_YfzBIUbHHdZJ DdqvYefkSqPhMQ.AQmg7tgPCPDbiTG08tw2wMCLf6358HSJ9N1tydNZpNcZ5 QhzyAnjD_3wPS9gH2IeoI5MGzKN3PdA.n4H21Ylh4dvKu01KIq2EASV0Z.W1 Rk66LF0A5NOmQBJk7gIH8W8qkEpiEIjptYC_Bu2.auNDWZPFDxvwczIIfz7y 5Tc7v3tsYMcVPByvU_U15kvga3XXLGEnr.bpVwCdAOo1rMweX2sW9_ISs.Fp mtNOz95bdJYY7IfwqP3zjynRktvn5lHsjVw81Ynqy7WtZthupOQVuXfLqvey thh.NPjJFA3V5cJpxiOH796MUsgppDKM6MqwrhPboJutKF9A5pF0foWI_eim Y9DGYNfSWUrQHSg.ARwVOR3e1W2FhfL6QFGL8WlQlHZC2zSQidD2TSH2ks2. k9NzyOqR.1ijOIaLk9OhRQEZ46vwz6jKvPTOKsf9UViin3rQU9KZI_yNpvay _X9DmBDhDqeyI5kRlBNniOBN2hMUAJUTtolrfk9uy598lzhfm.4ekJIDTsdW 36LLq45Clx.hHv86nkfc- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:19:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.313619 Message-ID: <1314047992.88722.YahooMailClassic@web112009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:19:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.99 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=swkGFV_PqstUawaTK3A0THwM3wTEOAZb_vSKC5FBhNs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Track it at 3. NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Jota wrote: From: Jota Subject: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 4:42 PM Hi Gang!!! I wonder if we could use a 5 grs tracking force phono cartridge in a turnta= ble, like the Technics SL-1200MK-2, which only has up to 3 in the dial. I'm talking about the Shure SC35C. Could we? How? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 22 22:19:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59498 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2011 05:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2011 05:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2011 05:19:00 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p7N5Ix20000901 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:18:59 -0400 X-Received: from core-mrb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.199.137]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7EB7AE000081 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9bff0.4ce011ee.3b849243@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:18:59 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 271 X-AOL-IP: 173.216.57.185 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479986528:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a4e5338435b20 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Woh2bEoxHIbLQAYDygX7TCDHo2tVeGJM1V0gEaBBs2g7R454MIa8HJ6mQfT51Oqx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The Stanton 500AL is more or less the defacto standard for on-air use, 2-5gm tracking. We used 4gm in a Rek-O-Kut arm. The Shure M44-7 would be a good second at 3gm. Both have excellent trackability and are spec'd for backcuing. Storz used carts for airplay to enforce the playlist. No, Storz didn't use cart transcriptions to speed up the music to improve record count. That's what the competition did. Storz air staff were better at walking up a record and engineers ran a board so tight the faders it would squeak. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Aug 23 04:05:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45901 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2011 11:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2011 11:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2011 11:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p7NB5rEb003522 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:05:53 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.13]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6564AE000086 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <349dc.6e3ccb76.3b84e391@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:05:53 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:352108640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c4e53899140cf X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=kTqNTR2EWNH2XlMMYNfrTArS0NJqTsvOo0t7aoq1_xQ2xUKWbGy_ X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I think AM Stereo did more to improve the quality of AM receivers than just about anything in the early 90's. It encouraged the NAB to promote the AMAX certified AM radios with wider bandwidth and lower distortion figures starting in 1993. If you bought an AMAX-certified radio or tuner you could be reasonably sure it had pretty good specs as an AM receiver. The Delco UX-1 car radios were built to pass the NAB AMAX standard and they sound very, very good. Keep in mind that an AMAX-certified radio is not the same as a "DXing radio". It was designed with a wider bandwidth suitable mainly for local station reception. AM Stereo radio was never meant for Dxers. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Aug 23 05:41:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89915 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2011 12:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2011 12:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f49.google.com) (209.85.212.49) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2011 12:41:22 -0000 X-Received: by vws8 with SMTP id 8so73897vws.22 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 05:41:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.178.137 with SMTP id cy9mr3494505vdc.340.1314103281502; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 05:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fn5sm53447vdc.33.2011.08.23.05.41.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 05:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:41:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: <349dc.6e3ccb76.3b84e391@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <349dc.6e3ccb76.3b84e391@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.49 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=S84KAC2V4EkZ8Cg5NetTsckZVhnlm8GnnW74fpuwSLRHAD7jq6vuaofzMBTZaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 23, 2011, at 7:05 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > If you bought an AMAX-certified radio or tuner you could be reasonably > sure it had > pretty good specs as an AM receiver. But even with the AMax campaign, the only AMax radios that I know of were the GE Superadio III, Sony SRF-42, Delco UX-1, Denon TU-680 NAB, Carver TX-11b and the only one still in production, the Fanfare FTA-100. of those, it would be a very close race between the Carver and the Fanfare who has the best Tuner. I would say the Nod has to go to Fanfare. Honorable Mention should go to Sangean because their HDT-1x is second in C-QUAM Audio Quality only to Fanfare, and has HD-Radio at a good price. The NAB let the AMax logo Trademark expire, but Fanfare still uses it. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 10:50:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48188 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2011 17:50:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2011 17:50:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.77) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2011 17:50:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2011 17:50:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.51] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2011 17:50:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2011 17:50:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 406728.91102.bm@omp1051.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 42744 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2011 17:50:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WirAlIoVM1lggPizfKxcs4gOV0Hk9Xr1xYRxiERBQBz3yK3 Sru8S0aL6aQDvIuvxqD9yYVNi3D0XY_cR62fgf5qmGGt3YBgOdR_dIS42BWU Q8g8YMruSbDG86Er1qz.794JYVoA9gbr_OiHtzmW4sXkE.J3Uay7W7faIdu0 raO6XoDSQd0CafgchxjFSYoVuKp87vNUiXQYHSXAiwVn9StPmArTA6BqSb8t jOmOGabBb0rzckysoXK2S3IDMUjxWBxkCuUwaR6jc0EziZ_nBIW2yfw2A3hl 79pPJJu0I6kroN03oB6.Js2jtGGpd1K_MINyil_dx_C7qrxESNBgyveG1nWq yv.o08g4Kg1QZFXahtKNDBXFNyghrOzI6WVx.mTMXObbKrI3hJE.bAis2HVy TZyxZWGNR4T6a72DeDzLeCkrCU52UkNZp1qTJWPgny7Fqt0vPcmgtN1jRYte uPDr8S2o1LxIvteL.hX4gso1KlfaO3dw- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112020.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:50:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.313619 Message-ID: <1314121812.32451.YahooMailClassic@web112020.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:50:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9bff0.4ce011ee.3b849243@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.77 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=S19QlGfgxbpXRM1C02EnkIEMVz6Nh-G3xamWtF4TtSs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 500 AL is gone. Stanton revamped the series and you can't get the old s= tylus er...stylii anymore but they say the ones for the new cartridge will = fit. GRRR!=A0 They didn't, the last time I checked had eliptical ones.=20 =A0 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/23/11, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 1:18 AM Juan, The Stanton 500AL is more or less the defacto standard for on-air use,=A0=20 2-5gm tracking.=A0 We used 4gm in a Rek-O-Kut arm.=A0 The Shure M44-7=A0 wo= uld be a=20 good second at 3gm.=A0 Both have excellent trackability and=A0 are spec'd f= or=20 backcuing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 13:54:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27520 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2011 20:54:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2011 20:54:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.144) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2011 20:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2011 20:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2011 20:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2011 20:54:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:54:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1314121812.32451.YahooMailClassic@web112020.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.144 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.247 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=nxVVuJSYsXtkUXmsNbIPFtXgK1x4pSYvh8BaDtpv6cBJNYCd8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 What the hell!!! 500AL was the better cartridge I've ever had and I lost it because a robber= y years ago. Then I bought the Shure M70, but I've never been full comforta= ble with its sound because some records sound too distorted (the same recor= ds sounded so good with the Stanton). Now I'm thinking to get another cartr= idge and, because the price, I thought in the SC35C (but it needs 4-5 grs t= racking force). If someone has another tip, please, welcome. BTW: remember my main job, here, is to save the old audio from the old viny= l records, so... any idea is welcome to improve my work. And, in this line,= I wonder if someone knows which model is the turntable and pre-amp you can= see in a demo from The George Cardas Listening Room video (YouTube). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > >=20 > The 500 AL is gone. Stanton revamped the series and you can't get the old= stylus er...stylii anymore but they say the ones for the new cartridge wil= l fit. GRRR!=A0 They didn't, the last time I checked had eliptical ones.=20 > =A0 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/23/11, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 >=20 > From: mjgrant@... > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 1:18 AM >=20 >=20 > Juan, >=20 > The Stanton 500AL is more or less the defacto standard for on-air use,=A0= =20 > 2-5gm tracking.=A0 We used 4gm in a Rek-O-Kut arm.=A0 The Shure M44-7=A0 = would be a=20 > good second at 3gm.=A0 Both have excellent trackability and=A0 are spec'd= for=20 > backcuing. >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Aug 23 14:01:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94638 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2011 21:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2011 21:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.163) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2011 21:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP110 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:00:55 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP110.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:00:52 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:00:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2011 21:00:52.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE8609A0:01CC61D7] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.163 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: amt 5000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=O4bJjld8GhDEaJv1fj1sCR2W6tchnmMFtn8HB5vqptAh X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i took the $$$ from the ax-10 sale and have bought a belar FMM / FMS 1 combo for my FM and invested in pre ordering a sstran amt 5000 kit which is remarkably similar the hamilton in ever aspect except the price, pll comes standard, and uses a bigger toroid along with class e (98% peak efficiency) switching finals where the hamilton is class c at best. i am considering taking the remaining AX 10 since sstran claims 20khz 3db RF bandwidth with this new transmitter and see how it performs since power is 100mW its too low for the motorola monitors i have i will have to tune every thing up with my scope. wish me luck and if anyone is more knowledgable then me feel free to contact me offlist and i would be glad to accept any technical help i can get in doing this. wanted to do this with hamilton but its RF bandwidth was telephone quality at best. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 14:04:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56637 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2011 21:04:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2011 21:04:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2011 21:04:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2011 21:04:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2011 21:04:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:04:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.247 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=E3ILTL-Y9zDPmTz-qIo25Ghgx_HuZcEp7kzsEozR43OtbqTPLg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Please, add to your list my old Philips DC-888 AM Stereo car radio (with ca= ssette) and the Philips AW-7301 portable radiorecorder, without AM Stereo b= ut its sound (AM) is almost better than its FM (which has too much treble t= o my taste). Whatever, both have a very, very, very, good, outstanding audi= o from the AM band. BTW: most of the Philips tuner available here (my wonderful country), have = a very good AM sound. I bet they are the only one good AM receivers availab= le in this part of the world, so... it seems like Philips is playing to be = a good friend manufacturer to the AM broadcasters, and I appreciate that. LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 23, 2011, at 7:05 AM, toddroberts2001@... wrote: >=20 > > If you bought an AMAX-certified radio or tuner you could be reasonably= =20 > > sure it had > > pretty good specs as an AM receiver.=20 >=20 > But even with the AMax campaign, the only AMax radios that I know of were= the GE Superadio III, Sony SRF-42, Delco UX-1, Denon TU-680 NAB, Carver TX= -11b and the only one still in production, the Fanfare FTA-100. of those, i= t would be a very close race between the Carver and the Fanfare who has the= best Tuner. I would say the Nod has to go to Fanfare. Honorable Mention sh= ould go to Sangean because their HDT-1x is second in C-QUAM Audio Quality o= nly to Fanfare, and has HD-Radio at a good price. >=20 > The NAB let the AMax logo Trademark expire, but Fanfare still uses it. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 23 22:57:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96230 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2011 05:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2011 05:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2011 05:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p7O5vYeu000355 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:57:34 -0400 X-Received: from core-mre005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mre005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.185.209]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D576BE00008B for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4b31e.47fee861.3b85eccd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:57:33 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 271 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:401030048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d4e5492cd75e0 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hEQBv4dL4lOtHEdxqZ5ENjd8mCUx2x4Ag03hbADQvs0AEwFgSAR9jN6GxwiHDiXy X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I was speaking of airplay rather than transcription cartridges. Airplay cartridges must take backcueing. The Shure M44 is a good choice. A variety of styli are available at it works well at 3 grams tracking force. It's reasonably priced and readily available. It cannot be beat for its ability to hold a groove. Its trackability is so high, it's rated on the Richter Scale. It's a hot cartridge, 11mV out at 5cm/sec which may overload some preamps but would provide 6dB more S/N. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 06:25:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41729 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2011 13:25:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2011 13:25:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2011 13:25:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2011 13:25:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2011 13:25:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:25:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: amt 5000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=IXmi2VUrCDVg_cs8idrNMlFehmSSfbvu30epu3d7ftCce87oJ0T4wpM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Let us know if hte SSTRAN is a worthwhile investment and suitable for AM st= ereo modifications! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : a sstran amt 5000 kit ...> i am considering taking the remaining AX 10 sinc= e sstran claims 20khz 3db RF=20 > bandwidth with this new transmitter and see how it performs >=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 06:32:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9854 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2011 13:32:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2011 13:32:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2011 13:32:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2011 13:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2011 13:32:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:32:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} AMAX Tuners & Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=COtbOgTUK62kTTVqcSEq9F7H95xC7oM8j5b4QmB_hSl7vbG7l60YzDo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin, I concour with your AMAX analysis, but would also add the mid 90's C= hrysler radio that has a 5 band EQ (and joystick). Those AM stereo rigs had= a 7.5KHz I.F. filter which would meet the AMAX specs. In '99 they lowered= the I.F. filter to 6KHz (which I swapped-out with a 7.5KHz) but the 94-96 = cassette models really rocked in AM quality, as did the Delco UX-1. I had the opportunity to borrow a Fanfare FTA-100 and it is the best AM Ste= reo rig - fantastic stereo separation without distortion. I was wondering if someone was able to test the Sangean HDT-1X for frequenc= y response, as even the HD rigs that do decode CQUAM (by accident or by pla= n) seem to have a super narrow 5KHz analog bandwidth, so I'm hoping the HDT= -1X has the 7.5KHz+ audio response? 73's John PS: I have a cassette recording of Leonard Kahn saying your signature line = after his Kahn system was installed at WSPD!=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 23, 2011, at 7:05 AM, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > But even with the AMax campaign, the only AMax radios that I know of were= the GE Superadio III, Sony SRF-42, Delco UX-1, Denon TU-680 NAB, Carver TX= -11b and the only one still in production, the Fanfare FTA-100. of those, i= t would be a very close race between the Carver and the Fanfare who has the= best Tuner. I would say the Nod has to go to Fanfare. Honorable Mention sh= ould go to Sangean because their HDT-1x is second in C-QUAM Audio Quality o= nly to Fanfare, and has HD-Radio at a good price. >=20 >=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Aug 24 06:49:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72778 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2011 13:49:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2011 13:49:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f177.google.com) (209.85.213.177) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2011 13:49:26 -0000 X-Received: by yxk8 with SMTP id 8so916611yxk.8 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:49:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.1.19 with SMTP id 19mr3231415yba.37.1314193765887; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e7sm794797ybg.3.2011.08.24.06.49.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:49:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <6C1A2803-5C46-47C5-8270-44B4D179E904@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMAX Tuners & Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=aNFYEBOgX-wKUc-Lr0MzWLjZThv_AwcAaxnu4IrvxIU4eNsOex4aOMk3tvcQBA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:32 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > I was wondering if someone was able to test the Sangean HDT-1X for frequency response, as even the HD rigs that do decode CQUAM (by accident or by plan) seem to have a super narrow 5KHz analog bandwidth, so I'm hoping the HDT-1X has the 7.5KHz+ audio response? Mine rolls off at 9 KHz > PS: I have a cassette recording of Leonard Kahn saying your signature line after his Kahn system was installed at WSPD! I would LOVE to have an mp3 of that. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 19:49:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17638 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2011 02:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2011 02:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 02:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2011 02:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2011 02:49:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:49:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4b31e.47fee861.3b85eccd@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.236.31.130 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=tYdk55b43fDSoz6xTBeDR5uy0m5LVhW6TVBuJzE9bRUnYehESA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Well, I think I wouldn't have problems to handle the cartridge high output = because I use a TEAC PA-4 RIAA pre-amp and its specs talk about a max input= level of 56 mV at 1 kHz. The question is about if there is some test vinyl record. I mean, a disc wi= th test tones (different frecuencies and levels, mono and stereo). Is there= some one? Where can I get one? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20=20 > I was speaking of airplay rather than transcription cartridges. Airplay= =20 > cartridges must take backcueing. The Shure M44 is a good choice. A var= iety=20 > of styli are available at it works well at 3 grams tracking force. It's= =20 > reasonably priced and readily available. It cannot be beat for its abil= ity=20 > to hold a groove. Its trackability is so high, it's rated on the Richte= r=20 > Scale. It's a hot cartridge, 11mV out at 5cm/sec which may overload som= e=20 > preamps but would provide 6dB more S/N. >=20=20 > Mike >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 25 06:05:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4881 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2011 13:05:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2011 13:05:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s15.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 13:05:04 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP140 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:05:03 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP140.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:05:01 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:05:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2011 13:05:01.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[993D2F60:01CC6327] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.154 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: be ama1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=LQ1xyphNaJx77qAvEUUcOlym6UvyF9wURGkQdLj5rnjz X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd if i remember correctly these come with a cquam card installed stock. thought this miay interest someone here. this is not my auction. http://tinyurl.com/4x5go4e From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Aug 25 06:36:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27167 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2011 13:36:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2011 13:36:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173011pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.11) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 13:36:04 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.180]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LQH00GCGKG1ZCN0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:36:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <7601FC92DF4B4AE591C863572BF24485@RichardPC> To: References: In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:36:08 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMAX Tuners & Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had the top-of-the-line Chrysler AM stereo radio with joystick in a 1993 = Dodge Dynasty that I had, and it was an absolutely fantastic AM stereo radi= o. Sounded much better than FM. Dick W. From: toledohamradio=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:32 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: {AMSF} AMAX Tuners & Radios =20=20 Kevin, I concour with your AMAX analysis, but would also add the mid 90's C= hrysler radio that has a 5 band EQ (and joystick). Those AM stereo rigs had= a 7.5KHz I.F. filter which would meet the AMAX specs. In '99 they lowered = the I.F. filter to 6KHz (which I swapped-out with a 7.5KHz) but the 94-96 c= assette models really rocked in AM quality, as did the Delco UX-1. I had the opportunity to borrow a Fanfare FTA-100 and it is the best AM Ste= reo rig - fantastic stereo separation without distortion. I was wondering if someone was able to test the Sangean HDT-1X for frequenc= y response, as even the HD rigs that do decode CQUAM (by accident or by pla= n) seem to have a super narrow 5KHz analog bandwidth, so I'm hoping the HDT= -1X has the 7.5KHz+ audio response? 73's John PS: I have a cassette recording of Leonard Kahn saying your signature line = after his Kahn system was installed at WSPD!=20 --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wro= te: > >=20 > On Aug 23, 2011, at 7:05 AM, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > But even with the AMax campaign, the only AMax radios that I know of were= the GE Superadio III, Sony SRF-42, Delco UX-1, Denon TU-680 NAB, Carver TX= -11b and the only one still in production, the Fanfare FTA-100. of those, i= t would be a very close race between the Carver and the Fanfare who has the= best Tuner. I would say the Nod has to go to Fanfare. Honorable Mention sh= ould go to Sangean because their HDT-1x is second in C-QUAM Audio Quality o= nly to Fanfare, and has HD-Radio at a good price. >=20 >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Aug 25 06:49:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67864 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2011 13:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2011 13:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.212.47) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 13:49:37 -0000 X-Received: by vwe42 with SMTP id 42so2201851vwe.20 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:49:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.28.204 with SMTP id d12mr6327041vdh.359.1314280176516; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gw3sm304078vdb.8.2011.08.25.06.49.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:49:33 -0400 Message-Id: <623A8413-1096-48E2-999E-B0351287FA50@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.47 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=3R4Wk3px63bh_k5GwzB4LugkBaod7tx5p530TEr9gOUaHD2jvdFEngpVIr5E3A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > if i remember correctly these come with a cquam card installed stock. It is an option not all AM1As have installed. The AM1A at WLTQ does not, so I would ask before you plop down your money. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 25 06:56:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24997 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2011 13:56:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2011 13:56:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s30.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.169) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 13:56:50 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP200 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:56:49 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP200.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:56:48 -0700 To: References: <623A8413-1096-48E2-999E-B0351287FA50@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:56:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2011 13:56:49.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5985F00:01CC632E] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=9CkBBf3U125Xq9HBk9v9kez1MO5yzzeR6dSHPH4lNSU_ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd oh ok, wasnt sure. still nice transmitter though :) i dont have even the 6k+ starting bid so it wont wind up here. but thought id pass it along to list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Raper" To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 > > On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > >> if i remember correctly these come with a cquam card installed stock. > > It is an option not all AM1As have installed. The AM1A at WLTQ does not, > so I would ask before you plop down your money. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 25 06:58:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46083 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2011 13:58:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2011 13:58:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.164) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 13:58:18 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP173 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:58:17 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP173.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:58:16 -0700 To: References: <623A8413-1096-48E2-999E-B0351287FA50@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:58:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2011 13:58:16.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[09AD8040:01CC632F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=a19wphdCmEKy36-vrSmr5ibS2-VGNyRTW3mNUcfYuMaf X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i'm a big fan of be's am stuff and their ax10 and fx50 exciters would love an fx50 for here, but they typ. still go for 3k even used ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Raper" To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 > > On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > >> if i remember correctly these come with a cquam card installed stock. > > It is an option not all AM1As have installed. The AM1A at WLTQ does not, > so I would ask before you plop down your money. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 25 07:00:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37290 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2011 14:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2011 14:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.164) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 14:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP148 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:00:48 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP148.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:00:46 -0700 To: References: <623A8413-1096-48E2-999E-B0351287FA50@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:00:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2011 14:00:46.0141 (UTC) FILETIME=[62EFFED0:01CC632F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.164 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=_fzywE57DC9TnneOTzu8FRL-CJoC9W8wG_Ymb0FQdxOH X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd ahh yes a be fx50 w/pa removed just running oscillator/buffer stage to 1/2 wave indoor dipole with an orban 8100xt and a pair of texar prisms. one heck of a p15fm setup ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert P Chrysafis" To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:56 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 > oh ok, wasnt sure. still nice transmitter though :) i dont have even the > 6k+ > starting bid so it wont wind up here. > > but thought id pass it along to list. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Raper" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:49 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 > > >> >> On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: >> >>> if i remember correctly these come with a cquam card installed stock. >> >> It is an option not all AM1As have installed. The AM1A at WLTQ does not, >> so I would ask before you plop down your money. >> >> 73, >> Kevin Raper >> KJ4HYD >> CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >> >> There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >> standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Aug 25 07:05:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7404 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2011 14:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2011 14:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f42.google.com) (74.125.83.42) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 14:05:25 -0000 X-Received: by gwb17 with SMTP id 17so2226915gwb.29 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.139.169 with SMTP id c29mr40904029yhj.122.1314281125425; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e8sm879850yhm.12.2011.08.25.07.05.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:05:21 -0400 Message-Id: References: <623A8413-1096-48E2-999E-B0351287FA50@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=p52BWif4gdi_0HGfolOY92CnQZzxfBTNzU3pEcdKj2miuljdMvAJvWRxU2e7XA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > i'm a big fan of be's am stuff and their ax10 and fx50 exciters Yes, I like BE stuff too, even the older BE Cart machines and Consoles are = great. I have a BE 8 Channel Stereo Rotary Pot Console I need to finish fix= ing up=85 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Aug 25 07:38:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90507 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2011 14:38:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2011 14:38:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f41.google.com) (209.85.215.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 14:38:19 -0000 X-Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1062324ewy.28 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.27.34 with SMTP id q2mr6413643vdg.214.1314283098734; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fn5sm336391vdc.45.2011.08.25.07.38.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:38:14 -0400 Message-Id: <8D9ADA43-5E4E-41AC-8AC2-A840297EAA01@gmail.com> References: <623A8413-1096-48E2-999E-B0351287FA50@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=JWo6UWYEnUSP56eBvyLjOjzbOe7Xx3MSO9Y9MBiZkBh0Nu40WzFmmKz8kIVwrg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > oh ok, wasnt sure. still nice transmitter though :) i dont have even the 6k+ > starting bid so it wont wind up here. I would love to replace WCKI's Armstrong X1000B with it, but won't happen for the same reason. :-( 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 10:07:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52820 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2011 17:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2011 17:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 17:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2011 17:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.199] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2011 17:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2011 17:07:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 864542.74882.bm@omp1057.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 99940 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2011 17:07:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: k74_SIkVM1n4Gsraz5xQR_bVqcMiXdTTxiCaFIGAvVRkw6u RUhr2hI_XTgybGJu1dJyz4hcBFVIB.BoyQzfw.2k9bjJOhHhcVL5PYKMuLHo CmuQijp5v0DZWfyu6jjVwtaoywjPFmoybDEmW07kZmeZWjjNzh26CREaSlEB pXmH2siEhKcoOTVVjQzQ1X_mz0Gk_o3h460vL_2y3ZQSQEQ5XLwSFJkDufKS GwQP0UZsF.2EMJyxbnsKW_4o20gVNWgGwXfoEDjtt8BnqB3jv_8oP9.w39L_ mbVlarUDr3U8xm74YN28yfE1lCSOmLorFObZj54s0toLeOU5ZvIqmLzV74.I o1boOghfUqjpmpt2HPh33.kklDT.awu10KepOBDkuxTOn1i.ouMSGdP1oYpr WeL.B6u_XC.IIzguyDM00pCZ5AsiqoY0DrDbZmhZixuGOWXHR3cANGZ1sHsI srAzVEn2dDlzFJyUPQGUJsss4bZzJp3fdcXLTXI9KG.YMZpXJilDqkVAu_9I ynlwZkyQMgmxuNLd8NkumVxzCFxHIXWrMSn_i5RWafMad8m8y6dfGeu0PRs_ u9bFh88yTuRX0ALaB..jAXf3NzIKv8mllmjfcCmWA6fUlzd4YRmnMNm_AK8C MsVRNyxbb1..jriTWWF87ImHWLcFbdgYA20CB_zf7wqz9JNyHD2ZQoITTrej wm7oaE7SnbeAj1mQP2eaA7c0aave94aifymR1XHcqD.qwpRHOLX85Imdg2X6 _ICpwdRhEnSwtSGu3vASemaCGnnUjmqMWmFJs.eQ721ZaG13QXepTYLJ1QXe .4L6NPJ6EkXoyB7DG_xfUzQ-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:07:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.313619 Message-ID: <1314292061.99742.YahooMailClassic@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:07:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=2upuMPlLIV6X7YiWCz8vjWyDNBRA76y_KmlHBYcLkcM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NOT true=A0 anymore, it is now =A0an option.=A0 It didn't come with ours in= 2004. =A0 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 8/25/11, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: {AMSF} be ama1 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 9:05 AM if i remember correctly these come with a cquam card installed stock. thought this miay interest someone here. this is not my auction. http://tinyurl.com/4x5go4e ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 25 13:06:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38731 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2011 20:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2011 20:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 20:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p7PK6j2r031200 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:06:45 -0400 X-Received: from core-mra005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mra005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.81]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 492ACE00009B for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <24706.2eb4c87a.3b880555@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:06:45 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 271 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435766848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b4e56ab55033c X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=beZPL0X_fPlfe1fo7D_lKQEM80qZ8xV1E1owhVHRkmdZl1zdvRozrehokGB7SKcR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/2011 12:50:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: The 500 AL is gone. Stanton revamped the series and you can't get the old stylus er...stylii anymore but they say the ones for the new cartridge will fit. GRRR! They didn't, the last ti Powell, What has been your experience backcueing the new ones? Mikr p [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 06:16:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44460 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2011 13:16:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2011 13:16:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2011 13:16:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2011 13:16:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2011 13:16:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:16:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1314292061.99742.YahooMailClassic@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} be ama1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mFJfUYL_bPM3_qbmgIZQO-r_dFO94yTu5q4BXE3eG6MqP0aD7FdzLuk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio That's too bad, because in 1998, all BE AM transmitters came WITH AM STEREO= standard (WIRY has one with it) - if you look at the one for sale, it show= s stereo mod controls, don't know what station its from though. Nautel included CQUAM in 1999 too at no extra charge (it's how CFCO got CQu= am - their GM told me it was free, so why NOT use it!), but then made it an= optional card that you can still buy thru their service department only. Harris had a choice for a module for the spare slot for a short while: a ba= ckup card or a stereo card, and WGN took the backup card option instead of = the stereo card, so the main transmitter lost CQuam (but their backup shoul= d still have CQuam)? Ahhh, who thought the 80's-90's would be the 'good ole days of radio' compa= red to now? =20 John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > NOT true=A0 anymore, it is now =A0an option.=A0 It didn't come with ours = in 2004. > =A0 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/25/11, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: >=20 >=20 > From: Robert P Chrysafis > Subject: {AMSF} be ama1 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 9:05 AM >=20 >=20 > if i remember correctly these come with a cquam card installed stock. >=20 > thought this miay interest someone here. this is not my auction. >=20 > http://tinyurl.com/4x5go4e >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 11:42:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40045 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2011 18:42:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2011 18:42:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.244) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2011 18:42:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2011 18:42:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.54] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2011 18:42:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2011 18:42:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 779528.62990.bm@omp1054.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 66126 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2011 18:42:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 68b25EYVM1lhpLEfX7u4bL6xAl_jAwF6CuTVqqCmgdoZ40Y V2.y8qN22KTnO_la2BfrCdOKS422GrNLhrKBknnA3xgueBMVWAcjRxAdH8p4 g8bXlg7rLtvxbKCDNed5NPRV2d07yjzwSQBQjgjEAqM.XDQKEEBfL_9yvIaI hMxszerzcux4Sv3isXwF7K5KJJJDUEWZHkNp3rJAQtO.aKJBNc8WKdnhM02A 3pSPUdbVj_JDkbViIPckaGV2MD7m8FjQ4Z_pHk_3WnZpicl2oXGhpgzSJe0B oqLjbEq6sUlCT3Juc.aYjSKpWYc5P8ArQIL_laZKtcYrwHeMlb8flzCXWGSd Pj33emm7fNIKvzZw2QOGaLcjBiM1BlQA02WyKlFa9JBEO8LjVx2stQhBzNbi eMcSInZrI0i.LSdWKqoxNRJPMwWzdZSulSaoT0VEKXnadT3U0YWiibbOAFUD 1ryBHpIpWOx9qeoeX7tRUx95bm78Z9ZASG_9aVoXS00wz55Dr5d9kOCUiAM2 8ija_lqaf8ZMUVHyd_luqypzqyNCuKQVgR.4eWtJxh0W_1M5lnaXNbrET.TS mAOVSCLyfIqXV_bji.HmDChE3yiggfhjLAvpAfbRFya5k5aTEsNJWn_eA._I 9v2oPSDnt4hV719egbNnCNzGqQO9sdVLO5R6aBE66by95fvlmvbVadyQ5onz cuzCMGqD9nVLNi8zUPWczKX_oBeaS4pMP4UJXXZMVtKemH_U_isg- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:42:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.315625 Message-ID: <1314384136.60881.YahooMailClassic@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <24706.2eb4c87a.3b880555@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zuP1kUVarFpRqEu4XtBEwTrh_HcYQ1DnHFSbcoL2QhU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't have one yet.. NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 8/25/11, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 4:06 PM In a message dated 8/23/2011 12:50:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=A0=20 w4opw@yahoo.com writes: The=A0 500 AL is gone. Stanton revamped the series and you can't get the ol= d=20 stylus=A0 er...stylii anymore but they say the ones for the new cartridge w= ill=20 fit.=A0 GRRR!=A0 They didn't, the last ti Powell, What has been your experience backcueing the new ones? Mikr p [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Aug 26 16:52:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7212 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2011 23:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2011 23:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2011 23:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2011 23:52:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2011 23:52:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:52:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1314384136.60881.YahooMailClassic@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.247 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MZAVPMe1WBY-Bpp39dRVhlUADCOUns3_OEnFxSCXznDC5ZG78Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody knows where can I get the replacement stylus (brand ne= w, of course) to the Technics EPC-U25 or EPC-270C phono cartridges. Any idea, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Aug 26 17:29:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14638 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2011 00:29:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2011 00:29:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f175.google.com) (209.85.160.175) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2011 00:29:32 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gy0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 4so4090976gyg.34 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:29:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.75.137 with SMTP id z9mr10524025yhd.106.1314404972331; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j45sm449549yhe.64.2011.08.26.17.29.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:23:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.175 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=qhYvOIfoCe5yZ4A1Oy30QpV6gnVXMT62sdMLeuV5x7iA_bPWg3tvz1WAytMLKw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if somebody knows where can I get the replacement stylus (brand = new, of course) to the Technics EPC-U25 or EPC-270C phono cartridges. You can get 'em here: http://www.kabusa.com/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Sat Aug 27 00:27:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82365 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2011 07:27:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2011 07:27:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2011 07:27:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2011 07:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2011 07:27:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 07:27:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 84.123.6.122 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=jQNKdefc00s-xE5HfpVQ36ioxKcFNAfjFJJhE4wM3uDL7HEuC3CnxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa You can also try here: www.styli.co.nz --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if somebody knows where can I get the replacement stylus (brand = new, of course) to the Technics EPC-U25 or EPC-270C phono cartridges. >=20 > Any idea, please let me know. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 27 01:45:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51082 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2011 08:45:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m15.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2011 08:45:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2011 08:45:15 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p7R8jB36026971 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:45:11 -0400 X-Received: from core-mrb005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.199.145]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 609F1E000085 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64dc.52b5741a.3b8a0897@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:45:11 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 271 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:456697408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a4e58ae9727d8 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phono Cartridge Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=rMgWfijQ6G2p8Xe2icdZQ-5CJ0Wp1fsuqsuKXC0ddB93rQlrkZXAt-70TaHAhCvN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is most likely here no there, but we had a remote broadcast setup with a consolette and a pair of turntables for so-called commercial appearances or "sock hops". These weren't actual broadcasts, except for perhaps voice sometimes, mostly just PA. It was a show and people expected to see records spinning. Record promoters would furnish records for giveaways in exchange for the DJ working in their records. As it was not broadcast, the "playola" rules didn't apply. The turntables were equipped with GE VR-II cartridges tracking at a groove gouging 6 grams of tracking force. The cartridges had two styli selectable by a red knob atop the cartridge. Ordinarily, in home use one stylus was 1.0-mil diamond for microgroove LPs and singles and a 3.0-mil sapphire for 78s. GE made a special for broadcasters that had two 1.0-mil diamond styli ruggedized to backcue. When one stylus was lost, the engineer could quickly put the backup in place with a turn of the knob. Clever idea. I still see Rel-O-Kut heads that had a place in the casting for the GE VR cartridge. The VR cartridge was neither moving magnet nor moving coil. The armature varied the reluctance of a magnetic circuit in the pickup. The VR cartridge had zip vertical compliance and was completely insensitive to vertical rumble. The Gates CB-500 probably had the lowest rumble of the broadcast turntables of the day and it needed a rumble filter when the GEs were replaced with Stantons. The was no low pass filter in the air chain which is why the Spotmaster so-called subsonic cue tones can be heard on tapes from those days. Rumble made the Audimax go nuts and "pump". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Aug 27 08:30:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1031 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2011 15:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2011 15:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s36.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.175) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2011 15:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP418 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s36.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:30:36 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP418.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:30:35 -0700 To: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 09:30:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2011 15:30:35.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[4458C290:01CC64CE] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: panasonic vp82xx multi format cquam sig gen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=0m6_qX94-thtMBCs_TuN5ydllPCFdpPOJ9BbnJ7Hi2m- X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd looking for manuals, spec's and schematic on this thing. there has to be copies floating around the net somewhere. would like to recap it and mod the audio inputs to accept 600 ohm 0-+4dbu balanced inputs. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 27 18:36:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33040 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2011 01:36:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2011 01:36:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2011 01:36:09 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110827203541102855000010> for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:35:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E599B35.2000001@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:34:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:35:41 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110804 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4E5263CC.4050104@usfamily.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110827-1, 08/27/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Old devices specs (a hidden campaign against AM?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=TuQNp-ApOWPmvz-hXuBzwBF02O5Q5-SheEyx7H8OVhSOVL29LWhi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/22/2011 10:57 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Scott But TV STEREO came out close to same time AM STEREO did.Jim S True, but there were a few years and enough evidence from the AM stereo wars that the FCC knew not to repeat the folly of not setting a standard from the get-go. 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(VPS 110827-1, 08/27/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Synchronous Mode / AM Stereo / Standards from FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=FFK3s7kaepZAmCl79lwuWNCQK40EP7zQCyf7L4nqvjfsd-FatszT X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/22/2011 3:52 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi But FCC had the last say with AM STEREO rule makeing. Thay should > have stayed with Manavox. We would have a lot more AM STEREO stations on > the air now and i have herd chips of Magnavox and it sounded realy good. > I also had a TV STEREO tuner box also. It was a Realistic TV 100 TV > STEREO audio tuner only. I had bot that and the Realistic TM 152 at the > same time. Jim S I'm old enough to remember the standards wars and Magnavox was not well liked by most broadcasters. In fact it was protests from the broadcast engineers and programmers which overturned the original decision. It sounded great but you had to back off the modulation. Scott From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 21:08:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88143 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2011 04:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m16.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2011 04:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2011 04:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2011 04:08:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2011 04:08:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 04:08:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E599C6C.2090909@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.44.203.48 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Synchronous Mode / AM Stereo / Standards from FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=bs-eXliiiKlLDjNVw4Hvda2KRPOSUsp2AuEe7wuQEoNtZGcDzV4fnlhDTVPVhf-rbDz04H-t X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Scott I remember the loud wars also. Its a moot piont now. One of best = sounding stations i herd was local (now dark) KHWY AM STEREO 1030 (C-QuAM) = Folsom Ca. It was a loud one at 10 to 12 miles out. Those Magnavox Am Stere= o clips sounded realy good on a TM 152 of WOWO AM STEREO 1190.Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 8/22/2011 3:52 PM, jim smith wrote: > > Hi But FCC had the last say with AM STEREO rule makeing. Thay should > > have stayed with Manavox. We would have a lot more AM STEREO stations o= n > > the air now and i have herd chips of Magnavox and it sounded realy good= . > > I also had a TV STEREO tuner box also. It was a Realistic TV 100 TV > > STEREO audio tuner only. I had bot that and the Realistic TM 152 at the > > same time. Jim S >=20 > I'm old enough to remember the standards wars and Magnavox was not well=20 > liked by most broadcasters. In fact it was protests from the broadcast=20 > engineers and programmers which overturned the original decision. It=20 > sounded great but you had to back off the modulation. >=20 > Scott > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 21:08:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23118 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2011 04:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2011 04:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2011 04:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2011 04:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2011 04:08:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 04:08:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E599C6C.2090909@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.44.203.48 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Synchronous Mode / AM Stereo / Standards from FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=_DUsmNT4I7IB9bcH2b3TA_Oq258eqs1z6Lhm7BJR1pXXjS8t6FMbkC_JTqGkSNMrUg2N5VxA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Scott I remember the loud wars also. Its a moot piont now. One of best = sounding stations i herd was local (now dark) KHWY AM STEREO 1030 (C-QuAM) = Folsom Ca. It was a loud one at 10 to 12 miles out. Those Magnavox Am Stere= o clips sounded realy good on a TM 152 of WOWO AM STEREO 1190.Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 8/22/2011 3:52 PM, jim smith wrote: > > Hi But FCC had the last say with AM STEREO rule makeing. Thay should > > have stayed with Manavox. We would have a lot more AM STEREO stations o= n > > the air now and i have herd chips of Magnavox and it sounded realy good= . > > I also had a TV STEREO tuner box also. It was a Realistic TV 100 TV > > STEREO audio tuner only. I had bot that and the Realistic TM 152 at the > > same time. Jim S >=20 > I'm old enough to remember the standards wars and Magnavox was not well=20 > liked by most broadcasters. In fact it was protests from the broadcast=20 > engineers and programmers which overturned the original decision. It=20 > sounded great but you had to back off the modulation. >=20 > Scott > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 02:08:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14929 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2011 09:08:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2011 09:08:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2011 09:08:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2011 09:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2011 09:08:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:08:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.77.49 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Panasonic VP-8252A Operating Manual for sale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=LYebOB4JEsW_4hQ9NKBcM7OEDiNy1ptC6Oz_qziOGRo X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Panasonic VP-8252A Operating Manual is up for sale at Epay from a US seller. Since I can't bid at it becayse he= has set the sale available only for USA based buyers, if somebody want to = buy it for me, I will repay him thru paypal for sending me that manual, or = a copy of it! That way we can both benefit!=20 See the auction at Epay=20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D170688530504=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 05:20:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11708 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2011 12:20:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2011 12:20:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2011 12:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2011 12:20:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2011 12:20:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:20:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Standards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=g3x0MACgMkgUNwYCEbAFKFEHyBFqo4tvMtKHTMsIxiw51PvSPLbIsos X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jim, By the time you could hear WOWO on the TM-152, they had already switched ov= er to more or less a C-Quam system, just like Harris did, by adding the 25H= z pilot tone and a few other mods. I built a Magnavox decoder using an LM1981 chip and it would 'squalk' and m= y decoder didn't sound all that great. Actually, of my 3 early system prototype decoders that I built, plus using = the 2-radio system for early Kahn, Harris was smokin' from CKLW and I thoug= ht that they sounded the best by far IMO. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Scott I remember the loud wars also. Its a moot piont now. One of bes= t sounding stations i herd was local (now dark) KHWY AM STEREO 1030 (C-QuAM= ) Folsom Ca. It was a loud one at 10 to 12 miles out. Those Magnavox Am Ste= reo clips sounded realy good on a TM 152 of WOWO AM STEREO 1190.Jim S > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd =20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 30 02:15:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99167 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2011 09:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2011 09:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.236.19) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2011 09:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2011 09:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.108] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2011 09:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2011 09:15:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 262921.98181.bm@omp1013.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20497 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2011 09:15:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: AvSX_tgVM1lzV4zToZ44jfhBi0Q_f_P2HJcaGybYth.n3AX 5mGkM7xEwzJ3MIgvVOl2nBSGRAtxBkdl_Q68WNjr5tT3YImxXSQCbnAGUw_5 dHy1ll2XHWir5VWnncFeIJyjVyWV_qxhZ4ju7X.1wxLfSgPPogWONEuWt4oi zkknR3XRqgHABFL2DZx2sTx4mj2xQTCFsqoQTcXvUrdcLDxci0lqtYIrhAc4 0RqM.LZR_Kw8Uw2aphjdvaeRzQvADWFSpeWvnYaJnAbe47oLnT9QRGtKNZni HqW0Xqz8mX637HzKoMal0lhxBs6Z2NWeQTvSJg9SVakrPMRuEz5j9o7cMbKh yjzHk8E4BFpej4pXd5bG98qLtW9GIzn5y.9HsuCQ1Mt_hKuc8Gnk7j.YNLCg Q_8X51mvmCdIF_B8bX3UH0ekOh4bFAuzLvFZi_7r6PJu3B1SpdWVl8mghy8i LSkgfVdR9RwVKshpsRhMZuKL2x1.FpAOTc9oqjJorpsjlURy592X3qdU9RCN xbHSOADmGw0watCgXGUrnBgld2rEtKzaaO0E5J9AaYUHtIgtoKmfXQZBRrf_ frNxl.GvcvsgIKbxQ09_bdKS0OysGFN8uple2LJM7tMO8b8GFNwBkw8SbnY_ GZzD..z7SSsM6wagrnR.bsKupyQGaLov4VJY1LfGw11wiTURdnmXQ1bpy53E BhDojB1yVDKFz9Dr19Ej__EjiRnAs5mgxi.rUj5sLDW9nMFyVSZzDcO5.M_A .VyXuaWyU5J_cPAd2cDRvQaclEd7ICXFEG8NxFObdVHmUjCrlaPl3KU0O62w LtfDmJjAChJkrkCk_B2l_DeXwQXLquEIt_pnHx54wm8Ggk_LGvH1ciaa9Tlb SOx1jp03yw9a9oVtzwydUG6nXNRPCNNj4LR0Xg7X5qM5YI_7sNU9P6ft8tSW v9uB7DIc70coZlf2HDONjBld0AaQVZqRq9cvRREZCuE9NUSY73Np1VJnnhXj jXDlmzBZTeb0QXqF_T4AFaaGqisRIxPZXMZF2K1SysUnnl38FRbi.mk2ACVq 4aPkwD3_FEK_tcMdCsWh0roGvbOO8NiFvnfxzgqaEXv28X990eLsTGe5DHyo xHUn0muJ5olplRtX_DmPxQ49Y18FC1HspZscChpwK.6ONwE9NI6xsTks3Ml_ XNP2yjObQCWH8wRUJkfpNjVmA8xe5_XEsoc8RV0mJjD8D9oLC8ziCuvyK3zi 2DhlLEgTfds8rdIaI56.l9_.zYd.PVl2y_U26QNcxyzITj_IH1ucRe0oqAX3 sL7RimWu7w5JfehgZOPDae3VyVMwNqXbjjhmm78yjj7B26pXp99jPDBOtXAz OcaE5fFg8VoGQWqXVCHbhcVsmYXIArFPM0.rAvOXfK5w4XTOsManDfarq0sp .0Lhfvs5PBYauyQ8Zf52YTqs2e90ZCOhAXgWnkT.mwuM824nMO.93b4Ruy0z 0OgIhT2bnwXYqxla.J67QCJUdCQaz8N5GC0A5LoFbGslHyOen2YHsh0stLU9 5pi6KtfOK2GpnHE4Ha34x2tdENuWuhdn72hzbEq6eYL4HEu09apEGxJVkmzx 8VnL9V9qV1Kwm9yvv2M39xmpp6tlsbp1kXNEGCkMahAYhpeonFStlPePEEE4 fS1XHzPeEAhcfQXTP0JVwh57.4P5jzx40WjVdXRrLC_b5WfEUto4KRGy0EOV BFD1QNPDoRHVqjIVTzzW4h7739MZenfMarR2f4Y6Byzfd_X30S7A56xArMjK YJzEAV2EuYPSpZael2wq.CxJ9VlhUnnDLHUaQ5JZJK7w0o7xxo9uI0BhYCmN qcatSJPHprB9IEMnqg0JsNXLd2DHkCYIOMeYJKhk8MJdi1Fu6uiXTYqOFPQt 73rn9ZINKC1N1U1L4Q.xyWrzDyrQ2XAi3tRT6nlbz8_xsLM.uSkyaP4j.7C7 XkEQXSM8TzLyc0V2xELoM.E_OKOCepgDdNye6ovWxx5ncg_cwdRNYPIKSp8v sxe_O76pLBFwe9.hZggUJCevxIEPu8Mp_ccPBGYDwdFXgsVcfgYah7ZWunu9 dtsvhsP58CoYxPlphZ3WGI06s8ZgLlalTl99tA1Qiz6QWpgL4piOdLkcQuQN xnqVY8P5xb.h54xCxpSCCmof2uuaPzdYxmSqb.NA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.24.203.139 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2011 02:15:17 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <7DAA7AC0AE55411CBF92BA4536D3C250@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 02:15:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.236.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Standards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=AfgRxEHIaXUvB0Fnz5W6TyF3-qid_00Au54CqwXVu0ItKs2h5DQ3tUBp1e2wZGB2lII7JIfH X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi The way I understood it was that WOWO AM 1190 was a Magnavox station with a add on 25khz pilot tone for C-QuAM radios. So you can get it in AM STEREO on more radios. In forced mode it still was a Magnavox AM STEREO station. Shortly after that recording when the standerd was set to C-QuAM thay droped AM STEREO and went mono with news talk. The Harris Co. went 100% QuAM with there exciters. Thats the story I herd any way. Jim S ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:20 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Standards Jim, By the time you could hear WOWO on the TM-152, they had already switched over to more or less a C-Quam system, just like Harris did, by adding the 25Hz pilot tone and a few other mods. I built a Magnavox decoder using an LM1981 chip and it would 'squalk' and my decoder didn't sound all that great. Actually, of my 3 early system prototype decoders that I built, plus using the 2-radio system for early Kahn, Harris was smokin' from CKLW and I thought that they sounded the best by far IMO. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > Hi Scott I remember the loud wars also. Its a moot piont now. One of best sounding stations i herd was local (now dark) KHWY AM STEREO 1030 (C-QuAM) Folsom Ca. It was a loud one at 10 to 12 miles out. Those Magnavox Am Stereo clips sounded realy good on a TM 152 of WOWO AM STEREO 1190.Jim S > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From boogie350@yahoo.com Thu Sep 01 16:43:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50419 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2011 23:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2011 23:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2011 23:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2011 23:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2011 23:43:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:43:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.61.136.72 From: "Radio Boogieman" Subject: Parts for Arrakis 500SC console? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=4TYy24KQiHOC4QcLRfvyhdle2LEKCKbiUOSfMIdoJbZMwN5X X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 I've had this console on a shelf for about 2 years now. I have no power sup= ply or schematic, but it runs on two 12v DC supplies, so I can probably hac= k up an ATX supply to run it in the meantime.=20 It's pretty much intact, except it's missing the black bezels around the pr= ogram VU meters. I have 4 other meters I *could* replace all four with, but= they have clear bezels and white faces, would kinda take away from how the= console looks stock IMO. The pale yellow stock faces match the color of th= e chassis quite well. I just wondered if anyone may have some parts for this beast as I would *LO= VE* to replace the present console, an old Gates Studioette 80 modified to = dual stereo with what appears to be the circuitry from a pair of old Realis= tic disco mixers. At least it has stereo audition and program busses, but o= nly having two stereo pots is rather restricting even with 6 routable input= s.=20 The Arrakis would be a major improvement over that frankenstein experiment! Anyone know where there may be one of these collecting dust? Here's a link = to a pic: http://www3.telus.net/burnabeans/studio_news/consoles/Arrakis.htm Good Day The Boogieman From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 06 07:48:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47734 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2011 14:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2011 14:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.180) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2011 14:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2011 14:48:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2011 14:48:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2011 14:48:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:48:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.123 From: "Jota" Subject: NAB pre-emphasis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=86829e5E_PascmMuROCQecguvJH5sqluN-qRB-u7i1laLhFkLg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if the NAB pre-emphasis is a mandatory rule from the FCC or it is = something optional. If it is mandatory, I guess all the TXs and RXs made inside the USA have th= e pre-emphasis circuit. Am I right? ??? In that case, I wonder... Can we put it out (disconnect) the pre-emphasis c= ircuit? It is because the pre-emphasis isn't mentioned in the chilean rules and, pe= rsonally, I think it isn't a good idea (any pre-emphasis causes distortion)= . Thanks for your time!!! BTW: I know it is absolutely out of the forum spirit issues, but... I need = some good friend to help me: I want to buy some things from USA Internet we= b pages. But... I don't have/use credit cards and they don't accept other k= ind of payment. But, I can use the Western Union Money Order system. So, I = need someone to make a "bridge" between them and me. Please, contact me at:= jotape1960 ...at... yahoo.com. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Sep 06 07:51:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87622 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2011 14:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2011 14:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s9.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.148) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2011 14:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP224 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 6 Sep 2011 07:51:27 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP224.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 6 Sep 2011 07:51:26 -0700 To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 08:51:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2011 14:51:26.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[73D9C630:01CC6CA4] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} NAB pre-emphasis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=qRvYV5PGDRLrn1DkiQfsWRn3l6hHYuOni9Zjf5gBBVwE X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd at one time it wasn't but i believe that now the FCC requires NRSC preemphasis especially now with IBOC, but i'm not really sure. i run NRSC because most reciever built here are not designed to pass the extra bandwidth and will sound shitty. most american recievers don't get much better bandwidth then telephone audio 3-5 khz audio bandwidth. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Facebook http://www.facebook.com/robert.chrysafis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jota" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:48 AM Subject: {AMSF} NAB pre-emphasis Hi Gang!!! I wonder if the NAB pre-emphasis is a mandatory rule from the FCC or it is something optional. If it is mandatory, I guess all the TXs and RXs made inside the USA have the pre-emphasis circuit. Am I right? ??? In that case, I wonder... Can we put it out (disconnect) the pre-emphasis circuit? It is because the pre-emphasis isn't mentioned in the chilean rules and, personally, I think it isn't a good idea (any pre-emphasis causes distortion). Thanks for your time!!! BTW: I know it is absolutely out of the forum spirit issues, but... I need some good friend to help me: I want to buy some things from USA Internet web pages. But... I don't have/use credit cards and they don't accept other kind of payment. But, I can use the Western Union Money Order system. So, I need someone to make a "bridge" between them and me. Please, contact me at: jotape1960 ...at... yahoo.com. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jesús Paredes Guerra From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love and hope ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Sep 06 07:57:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9366 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2011 14:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2011 14:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f46.google.com) (209.85.212.46) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2011 14:57:57 -0000 X-Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1so4811788vws.19 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 07:57:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.21.205 with SMTP id x13mr1187525vde.515.1315321076897; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 07:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e7sm252884vdh.25.2011.09.06.07.57.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Sep 2011 07:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:57:51 -0400 Message-Id: <46050B22-8D9A-4E71-88DA-57B2BEE4F477@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} NAB pre-emphasis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=tyW_9BPtBxCjX7_fmuBs9HM_g4iwhYRnrkpv37XUpTi3DRNEONan4RVDU5xX3A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > at one time it wasn't but i believe that now the FCC requires NRSC > preemphasis especially now with IBOC NRSC Pre-Emphasis is only required if you are running C-QUAM AM Stereo. The NRSC Mask can not be exceeded, no matter what system your station uses. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Sep 06 17:59:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 151 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2011 00:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2011 00:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2011 00:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110906195853100730000010> for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:58:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E66C1BF.1040005@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:58:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:58:53 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.21) Gecko/20110830 Thunderbird/3.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <46050B22-8D9A-4E71-88DA-57B2BEE4F477@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <46050B22-8D9A-4E71-88DA-57B2BEE4F477@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110906-1, 09/06/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} NAB pre-emphasis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8i3mT_pRpwq9BDsy8eyvwX1r--4oRvcoPFGNOfM7fHkO0-J0SU9- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 9/6/2011 9:57 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > NRSC Pre-Emphasis is only required if you are running C-QUAM AM Stereo. > The NRSC Mask can not be exceeded, no matter what system your station uses. Still a good idea, though. That way you're boosting some of the high frequency energy that might not otherwise be heard through a typical AM radio. Scott Todd From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Sep 08 10:55:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12891 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2011 17:55:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2011 17:55:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2011 17:55:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2011 17:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2011 17:55:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 17:55:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.229.186.25 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Need DIP Switch setting for X-Band on motorola CQuAM Monitors and BE AX-10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=kVKBQMmPSRk9YEdz2D3EedrHDY1XC-yxNH7y8NSew52t X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd as title states need the xband switch settings for the ax10 and moto mod mo= nitors to put these somewhere between 1620-1700 khz From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Sep 09 15:11:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29906 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2011 22:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2011 22:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2011 22:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110909171055102267900011> for ; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:10:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E6A8EDE.1060209@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:10:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:10:55 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.22) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/3.1.14 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110909-1, 09/09/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Need DIP Switch setting for X-Band on motorola CQuAM Monitors and BE AX-10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YasdhB3Lxm9Sa0jQSRrpv0qhUMgFOxEK76G1o0EJlCkfHd8gFr6- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 9/8/2011 12:55 PM, kc8gpd wrote: > as title states need the xband switch settings for the ax10 and moto mod > monitors to put these somewhere between 1620-1700 khz > Those manuals are most likely still on the BE website; look under non supported equipment list. I may have the data on a thumb drive if you can't find it. Scott Todd From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Sep 10 05:30:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38143 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2011 12:30:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2011 12:30:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2011 12:30:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2011 12:30:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2011 12:30:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:30:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.77.49 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Blaw-Knox antenna Tower near Vakarel Bulgaria, as of 22 August 2011! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=MpBOZ9q7BSLOR0RAxxUlaqFiE3CQb0X2D9WbPfSaNOY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I have upload a photo of the Blaw-Knox AM antenna Tower near Vakarel Bulgar= ia, taken at 22 August 2011!=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/photos/album/456077255/pic/list= ?mode=3Dtn&order=3Dordinal&start=3D1&dir=3Dasc=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Sep 10 10:33:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19575 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2011 17:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2011 17:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yi0-f46.google.com) (209.85.218.46) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2011 17:33:49 -0000 X-Received: by yie30 with SMTP id 30so1694962yie.19 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:33:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.88.30 with SMTP id q30mr258662ybl.157.1315676029024; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k17sm285940yba.14.2011.09.10.10.33.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:33:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <9A267095-0205-41E9-94AA-D63C890F0310@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blaw-Knox antenna Tower near Vakarel Bulgaria, as of 22 August 2011! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=M8s2G7giK2PLwNsZE1yWEkEmkO6jJ3LX_QsfcprsaLiklenub5vR8pp3B3nYMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 10, 2011, at 8:30 AM, pdmtr wrote: > I have upload a photo of the Blaw-Knox AM antenna Tower near Vakarel Bulgaria, taken at 22 August 2011! Thanks for posting that picture. I love those towers, they look like "Real Radio"! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 14:54:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60347 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2011 21:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2011 21:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2011 21:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2011 21:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2011 21:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2011 21:54:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:54:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.32 From: "Jota" Subject: Out of topic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=FPmNxH7FBxRfroTaQvFFS6GLlVKgTxAMcn-DFJdSzQZSGUmbWg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I don't want to leave my relics but... I wonder if there is a potential market to my very old radio microphones...= ??? I mean, to sold it in a very good price. If somebody knows about someone who wants one, please contact me. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 21:30:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85085 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2011 04:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2011 04:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2011 04:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2011 04:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2011 04:30:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 04:30:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.102.178.135 From: "tom_richard1980" Subject: Re: Out of topic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=wpC_SXvGbjTTW-dkScrepl2h54czDA4m3KamPnoDBbIw83V-_Iff4AIA X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Just try Ebay. There are plenty of people who like old electronics. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I don't want to leave my relics but... >=20 > I wonder if there is a potential market to my very old radio microphones.= .. ??? I mean, to sold it in a very good price. >=20 > If somebody knows about someone who wants one, please contact me. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 17 14:06:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92393 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2011 21:06:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2011 21:06:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.210) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2011 21:06:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2011 21:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.101] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2011 21:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2011 21:06:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 672117.68036.bm@omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 51287 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2011 21:06:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: EsnlF2QVM1m2_UAmbHCI5lSKvl_Mywz5fEq5hh6TMI.3r8d _bAih_l58jLAxwAWe4U3965bgEvnYH_f_rU9Ut46uZYLD27U4xREia3eCZp0 t1zS6GvcuRqEwqM4qW4lPqE598s5WA4fWP6wHRwdfl8bJrulm2ZoKYQwFOUz 94cZFpXyG.SSp6bLRg613f7zkz9lGBlF.z65rWEpqlHynQhx7mXIeCiWs__Z mYy2rZDMxkoTTX2har9zpIuH6jiLO33oViAAmCghLGYnqCxllOS7dK8alfyK I3MXIz1H8XzMWiGZVwj4DRce6K.lf32hZfqE6a6QJNcq5Ed0pRoBJiTxokER S9rW1f0nkJj5ySjuGCzZdxN4pRmnjEwqfvIUwf3P1QSzXX7_WSSDIS_8IUn2 WwW_WceI68n8NCtWYfwzJ9XQWLOcIxaa043p7hV.krsDNrf4hI6ob_TiwjHi 9_eJpXkfZOTT5ol9L7wPQyARuhWz4liaJDuRYXwrNMSI5EAjw3c5MW0s- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@68.72.217.86 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2011 14:06:13 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:06:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: I found a old AM STEREO station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=fxYFnt0SZu2zGJnmiM9amX7YpwxYoAHP8jNmTFjGdnMEKRwybH5liqzNKkG9bKPw-HVFuD6C X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I found this old AM STEREO station through some old forum posts. KLOH AM STEREO 1050 Pipestone MN. Thay are very proud to say thay are in AM STEREO on there site www.kjoeradio.com/kloh/ . And there web site is currant 2011. Sadly i can't hear them here in Califonia and thay don't streem. Jim Smith P.S Good news for a change!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Sep 17 17:52:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46707 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2011 00:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2011 00:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2011 00:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110917195142101873300011> for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:51:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E754081.8090303@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:51:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:51:42 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.22) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/3.1.14 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110917-1, 09/17/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} I found a old AM STEREO station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ViYVeoG5EY5RZPKXXRqwBEi6qzH--iIVloXhdFLQqH0OZT2KD86h X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 9/17/2011 4:06 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang I found this old AM STEREO station through some old forum posts. > KLOH AM STEREO 1050 Pipestone MN. Thay are very proud to say thay are in > AM STEREO on there site www.kjoeradio.com/kloh/ . And there web site is > currant 2011. Sadly i can't hear them here in Califonia and thay don't > streem. Jim Smith P.S Good news for a change!!!! > I get through that area rather regularly. I'll have to bring an AM stereo receiver with me and check it out. Scott Todd From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 17 21:14:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91786 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2011 04:14:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2011 04:14:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.149) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2011 04:14:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2011 04:14:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.82] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2011 04:14:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2011 04:14:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 948181.97554.bm@omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 89702 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2011 04:14:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: eR4KBX8VM1lD0saRALdIvzkzwmJ9ub8BghECC4kzSnqOcZf 8OcW6flrRNuTKT3pVckpThdoyCVxiVhBbhk5YL9Mjx.JZH5JkuGOrCXGB21f VQqm_bC4S0GkuGfSygmgLO_PE6JISElYPGBD2z1S.7vOeFF9dpDS3mBuD5t. 8xPfWM8g2TiZYyNN.NkQiCyV2JGh_AT.SCVFvK6vBPGduCSHg.E3ZpX954vp AC1H5h5sM84.PhAr5.ht.o2brFiWp6YvumEAOkBqwlwhtIu2rEqvZr7SIyM_ mx1AXlcFNGELrpjIBphzXE61Ieai9JtD13YFqkvN84v3s95zA9ydiFnqYVuK zl_tOlurgSNqOhlFMlzhyEpYwlSnRrI6XDNZPfiSl0gemzuboXXFzv2ZwHRk JfGVLifuXtIYrw3hBBdSGlJ5GfApU7p.0j_QFeAVXd1iO0NUQWtdyr7FXI9P tQvmsVYLU0y0Vujo.UeUtB4qz5IJ4h0ZoiDIAWfEOajZKQwkEjlhEnwkjG3K XQA.b2XWLllR8Zyple4fzkneqpmq7omOa2ppg1CzssJGsKkf2YbbTy11KLCm UA39m3Mje9Zd.bz5jnJuOenCVBs8kfffOjOh.SkON4UN_Bol.S9ALrkvBg0f aKJVCnfRlu0kQhJ1aKEULKvx_fL..wEziUXajKU8l0WJ0kPZDAuJswWjHKo4 zD11OGp0t3UDJt.2CDtrwtZKzeS0273YnsY.8x_Dc8OGta2k2YYoKsxYyJBK 0BYkvtEZI_AGPOXI9rEnI58PMlJfgmOC8HGlenT2TkRvcW.w1hHUOt9I7_jq rDPARpf_mFGQUIbaeDqL_CgknlpbM1B8r0_NeqdJfp9Qz8BfO80pZxe_Y6Ho Ke6NmkSk1d10gcXHRBU.tCyE30jkvatp7k75.73PQiVI6Tef7290nPFh47cY _INRKxcJCleLQNj5k7c33O1_PEKwwHQ1OHEtxXHBu9lpdXNv7gN9zHRq9OyF c3f3KO4zVxsoIVI5Cnd_14AdiqyIWW5IF31jYLPqf5kbg1DksXUP18IqgsP7 K33a1nb0FLsjBUbw9MiW3uUWe3PX3iIIWpUAHwak3dHHvzVfv8ML638Gk0bE QCW_nz4K4j1xYLr.GOgcON7pDyvxrt1WJoIUua8ISknqNWIaHWLEsM0t6iXM _6Bqxy6shA0.A.5eq0Vsp7CSHhYIymUsPwps_HkT.NV0aAyVcFofEX6IcdbP .suEroMLdF2dHX0F3I70je7JxbRsvx94vgKu1mh42sm_BVkvFF5hwBfHqjHu NWIgt3JPgWE0Pfsx4_nGbLez4wy8mdO1TKNWs8GLJzh43V1Smd40kJRJniUM C3f3DCp9WM3pHG4N9oOHy1rx81mNVi83K..RwhYFgqhyokzTnY2PDmYrmkNg l2Xk_8m5xkbtHLX6HUb7u66Rk7ea3bQCQmcypuhMALoPbypUZryCzLlDxE3r JaSn1tI1rEw.8GWMwJmtjXF85iOuAfYrcLzpbhv5rNnE6ksM_houu3CoErSK kD0J8_DKHnjBK_oUioFnRgrcEbvzSaWS0dmekKonVkZXqJkEuCj8e0IozZXO 14GUkKzy4QN_x9CO0v1b5y63MO5dpene2.vHrvVBm01L08b_Tamn_2wy_WqX 1BfET2Uj47gUYiQIcPiQo5ogju7rjjc6l4KmpUypx3UGk5L6x4ecYT4NUlQS AFCuUCMN.EsmhqVnD5870EMXyY_gujiUS.TYXg8DgchiBB3iDrd09k0j2wGn eYoLpO295f9aveoCBlrEaut9AUxe7jSwyINmaGMOZ.l2lt0zFvufmJaLrEiF r6laouMPqZlZ6vZoxN5C9Ku3Ax6k880GujCiZnkouH9Z5Gk2lS_9eDoM7eTP HBHhZelfK4yq5AhUTqTpadZm9wesGAP_qCkYvrzTbQmtuqaH2SmeUA69Hqmw sieJUj4EvVpUEViBlxb_w9f_Hn.zjJkpQ12XqKzBcgin_VqVW.PvqLp9HOOB scfJJBP8nczRN2ulYx99fpAScTf8DtuOmBJP_sN09IHJTeS4s.79hfG4QkTr MikB0gNuFTvel6xgyG_HDLTbl.WXz3J6PPxQuFabD.l1UVeAj_0A5ICHagRF xyZ1lh8pyacmfBXrHsFDS8bOhyPQ57I0bptcChNVFLi1f1DH4qXqXTgotoQ- - X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.30.66.3 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2011 21:14:46 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <1B6131E4FC43429AA66434A846673B39@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <4E754081.8090303@usfamily.net> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:14:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I found a old AM STEREO station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=0axQhz4IqdpN9V-U2S-ZmPfgZDDfxrf0icKd1CrkYggsUdOaMFS7yxjQK90UDlb6-TOOrhDf X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scott That would be cool to have coferm on that. Unless there is some members up in that area. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I found a old AM STEREO station On 9/17/2011 4:06 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang I found this old AM STEREO station through some old forum posts. > KLOH AM STEREO 1050 Pipestone MN. Thay are very proud to say thay are in > AM STEREO on there site www.kjoeradio.com/kloh/ . And there web site is > currant 2011. Sadly i can't hear them here in Califonia and thay don't > streem. Jim Smith P.S Good news for a change!!!! > I get through that area rather regularly. I'll have to bring an AM stereo receiver with me and check it out. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Sep 18 20:15:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28479 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2011 03:15:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2011 03:15:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2011 03:15:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2011 03:15:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2011 03:15:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 03:15:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.229.186.25 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: CCuff / Alfredo CQuAM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=aIQUcKnn2B-mZLgPf8sjd6G9wHzJeIZoJIv2ZA5znjlG X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd comes 4 crystals (1600, 1610, 1620, 1700), transmitter (100mW) and power su= pply (9 VDC). bought it years ago and it never got used it sat in a box. as= king $300.00 Shipped ConUS From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Sep 19 15:24:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32554 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2011 22:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2011 22:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2011 22:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2011 22:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2011 22:24:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:24:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.229.186.25 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: facebook X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=0ikTSUmLZaHzTSfv84PEaVj3MJc-PmifUjYBg85pQQTH X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd hi all, i have created a new tech related facebook page in addition to my personal = page. this new page is where i am moving all my tech related stuff to. pic's of studio, processing, rf gear, schematics, etc. anyone who is interested can go to this domain http://kc8gpd.tk which redir= ects to http://www.facebook.com/kc8gpd and put in an add friend request. if you are already part of my personal fa= cebook and are only interested in the tech stuff but not my personal stuff = then add yourself to this new facebook and feel free to remove yourself fro= m my personal page. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 19 16:36:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63282 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2011 23:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2011 23:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm20.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.221) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2011 23:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2011 23:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.123] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2011 23:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2011 23:36:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 23194.38576.bm@omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 71066 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2011 23:36:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: HAZ8rIAVM1n62CP5zWC6B96C6yh_Sd64.BeYoRNQ4GvvpWu mt1AeaC8Ih7bwFEzgG9FCrRYI0UmlqAMoHglVldJfeXcqINFDXPtTTf1moRI c7.RiuS_PNQIbgfCPH_.nt71eQ7RKcrh2mEmteobomQTfRVe_OXzWskBm07h 0kIchEUsIrmZ6o6YUwbulwUrbtvHnreEjx0l1vqUIh9ZxF2WH.lB8paVbJG4 ksbRhWhe7x.hdqOGdQQ3DcmvXnURf8Eozgx4ssGUZCNtP1fUeUt1lTOzdrhC Ijx5_dDxddg_TNeRE8W36DcbZAI.bpjPsFzUVBZrB9dXQ8Du9alXUzjVRzd1 oHUXHCjZAdvPAFbppK4c4UkNg7X.kRiJ5Dp0AqzDlU88bOqhlcsbWRVn2s3z vRdX111KS X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@71.155.145.120 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2011 16:36:06 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <1CE267B49F1746B0934B5E72153F0B03@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:36:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: A.L. AM STEREO trasmitter updates and CC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=VH5rezsuzOyv34fXilVBzbZQ7QGhNJsOlbRY80gAEqtNfXlpONO3oVnaqB9qpgO9fYUVpHMR X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: jeff deck Cc: jim smith Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM Subject: A.L. AM STEREO trasmitter updates and CC Hi I had finly got in contact with Chris Cuff . All is well on his end. He can do a full new updates for $75 . I am going to go up the band to 1500 AM . Its much better at 1500 AM here in this area day and night. He is a hard man to get in conact with. Thanks . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 19:20:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68186 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2011 02:20:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2011 02:20:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2011 02:20:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2011 02:20:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2011 02:20:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 02:20:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.229.186.25 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: CCuff / Alfredo CQuAM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=txa9fS9JzLTbtKwR9GlFXeL9bS5zFSDUqAU45e29e3gJ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd heres my CL Denver Listing with pics of unit for sale --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > comes 4 crystals (1600, 1610, 1620, 1700), transmitter (100mW) and power = supply (9 VDC). bought it years ago and it never got used it sat in a box. = asking $300.00 Shipped ConUS > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 06:07:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55684 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2011 13:07:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2011 13:07:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2011 13:07:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2011 13:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2011 13:07:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:07:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: CCuff / Alfredo CQuAM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=yEwm11egffyAXkJYb36XDBj5IKEaR7KJbNeWeNfnoQmIa-rFuH1byEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio No photos or attachments viewable. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > heres my CL Denver Listing with pics of unit for sale > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > comes 4 crystals (1600, 1610, 1620, 1700), transmitter (100mW) and power = supply (9 VDC). bought it years ago and it never got used it sat in a box. = asking $300.00 Shipped ConUS From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Sep 21 06:41:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8933 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2011 13:41:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2011 13:41:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.145) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2011 13:41:08 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP362 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:41:08 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP362.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:41:05 -0700 To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:41:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2011 13:41:05.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C4D9150:01CC7864] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.145 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCuff / Alfredo CQuAM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=yxlhOLR_uT72weuKlAs3lhm_PFFb97QSAJGmOr4988yx X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd if anyone needs pic's just email direct and i will reply with pics attached Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk ----- Original Message ----- From: "toledohamradio" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: CCuff / Alfredo CQuAM Transmitter > No photos or attachments viewable. > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: >> heres my CL Denver Listing with pics of unit for sale >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: >> comes 4 crystals (1600, 1610, 1620, 1700), transmitter (100mW) and power >> supply (9 VDC). bought it years ago and it never got used it sat in a >> box. asking $300.00 Shipped ConUS > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 23 01:25:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39078 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2011 08:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2011 08:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.162) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2011 08:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2011 08:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2011 08:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2011 08:25:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:25:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.157.106 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CCuff / Alfredo CQuAM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=KMyyiX1wGTAfKQU4tz4W2fIvg-vrbXQUZIvRCBeIT3rIYIRoTWXiT61uNx9rC9_r1PmrocrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Speaking of CC's A.L. Dose any one here have any crystels betwean 1= 400 AM and 1490 AM . No 1470 please because of local KIID AM 1470 Sacrament= o Ca. Speaking of KIID AM 1470 Radio Disme they are not runing there 5kw AM= HD right now. I could not get there HD signal any way and i realy don't li= ke there format any way. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > if anyone needs pic's just email direct and i will reply with pics attach= ed >=20 > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Universal Life Ministries (ULC) > http://www.ulc.org >=20 > Facebook > http://kc8gpd.tk > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "toledohamradio" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:07 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: CCuff / Alfredo CQuAM Transmitter >=20 >=20 > > No photos or attachments viewable. > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > >> heres my CL Denver Listing with pics of unit for sale > >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > >> comes 4 crystals (1600, 1610, 1620, 1700), transmitter (100mW) and pow= er=20 > >> supply (9 VDC). bought it years ago and it never got used it sat in a= =20 > >> box. asking $300.00 Shipped ConUS > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From jazzeum@yahoo.ca Sun Sep 25 11:40:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jazzeum@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51506 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2011 18:40:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2011 18:40:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.198) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2011 18:40:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2011 18:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2011 18:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2011 18:40:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:40:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 174.35.246.14 From: "jazzeum" Subject: Sangean HDT-1X Firmware 0.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52903432; y=TrYHsQyRzKBcSx6bZNk6rxLW9Lds-5f0bRzpHGursME2DQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jazzeum Hello, I recently purchased a Sangean HDT-1X with firmware version 0.4, and it app= ears not to be able to receive C-QUAM. I read quite a few reviews around = version 0.3 of the firmware, and many have confirmed that the receiver can = pick up C-QUAM. Can anyone confirm that AM Stereo capabilities were removed in the latest f= irmware? I figured I would ask before testing further. Thanks. Brian From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 26 02:55:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57570 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2011 09:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2011 09:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2011 09:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2011 09:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.68] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2011 09:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2011 09:55:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 99169.71110.bm@omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 62334 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2011 09:55:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: BOtvzjAVM1mWwLtXMxxKXIDKTXCReRaBMCbNALG.YWpTVi6 BfVPK4AY5xy6.bCDWuiC60IKAls3FhHHMSZ3Te3JhDHaxPFavEb738FiAQE. 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SdzxQPTRrzU2hCB7pzioTZXqIiY5d93q6wvLzuz_vQ6FyXDB31Tj7z7db9zT VKO808H1Kdi8jFn6hAJN3Qxs7qEXtxR_L5GNMV7o14cx_EOtJD9m71PnyyOU ujnaDnUQZINLcIeZHrIpROjtCMY0OyREEgXPjIyQz7yyB8OmeHgj2C_8SHyL 19.luwsNxJ1EbMCrJ_2PJtz_exjEMMNt.Y99GRfgN0McNd_Q3XtBwQJemdjt KUr4vjAFh9dKrIXtWjverDDWkQOqWBEQeNQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.20.188.92 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2011 02:55:36 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 02:55:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: 1550 am bay area X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=UgucmuvE6EsI9Tw1ud29UuYtluH9RbSqYUh8em-46LGsfHONaCz26rIiEcBHiMVYDFmTGjTB X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang So i throught I'd post this info sence its been a little slow here. 1550 AM in the bay area is no longer broadcasting True Oldies any more. CBS Radio has change its calls to KZDG AM 1550 its a foren langish station now. Thats a bummer thats just that much less english music on AM. And KUBA AM 1600 Yuba City Ca has changed owners so thay sold there 10 watt FM 95.5 . So no KUBA on the FM band in Yuba City Ca any more. To me thats good because the AM band needs more music not less. There streem sucks now.Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 00:31:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53414 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2011 07:31:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2011 07:31:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2011 07:31:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2011 07:31:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2011 07:31:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:31:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.178 From: "Jota" Subject: Phonograph audio capture issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=dmDlQLISqSbstP6Bjqi01O9BtmY3BAnnE3B0bz936IxJVIE8dA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I know it is not a direct AM Stereo issue, but it is close related. All the non-linear turntable arms have a tracking angle error which introdu= ces slightly time difference between the stereo channels. And... a time difference between the channels means... a phase difference o= n the high frecuencies range (like the tape azimuth issue), which means a l= oss in the treble band. Now, I wonder if there is an easy way to solve it with the digital tools to= day. I mean, Adobe Audition has a tape azimuth correction tool, but I don't know= if it is enough to correct it because the tape azimuth is a constant value= , the record tracking angle error is a constant variable (it goes from a va= lue to another). Now, I don't know if this tracking error is really significant. Can you hea= r some loss when you join the channels from the "outer" to the "inner" groo= ves? ??? If somebody knows something about this, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 12:28:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70454 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2011 19:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2011 19:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.98) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2011 19:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2011 19:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2011 19:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2011 19:28:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:28:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM Bandplan: was Phonograph audio capture issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=CAIw2UaNGxgPgx8I_xmhxgbqTyBVqrpCoVArok8yO3vnTvWT2m55bEI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WSPD went on the air with AM Stereo in 1983, and they played stereo 45's on= the air in addition to tape carts, but I noticed the record noise clicks a= nd pops more than any stereo phase issues, as the SRF-A100 had such high ba= ndwidth on locals, and before they cut down the audio at 10,200Hz, you coul= d hear well above that - out to about 12KHz on the SONY radio, so you could= hear record noise more than any phase issues. Plus, the Sony was a comprom= ise decoder, so it wasn't perfect anyhow. The bigger issue on the Sony chi= pset (corrected on the Motorola 2nd & 3rd generation chips) was that with "= all bass" audio in just only one channel resulted in some distortion, but a= gain, that was 'fixed' to perfection in the 2nd gen set in Chrysler radios = so where it sounded great. Platform motion is all but gone too with the fa= de to mono feature in the latter chips. Just when they got it right, stati= ons started turning off the CQUAM exciters per the ClearChannel Radio direc= tive, just like ABC/Cidatel telling their AM's to shut-off IBOC at night (a= nd eventually day). I still think the ultimate AM bandplan here in the USA would be to have AM = stations consist of top half of band digital local, and the bottom half all= super-power analog (stereo) clear channel 750KW stations with 30KHz spacin= g and 15KHz analog audio! One station per frequency per coast or Odd chann= els in the East (650KHz), Even channels in the West (680KHz). We can dream= , can't we? These clear channel 1A superstations would be EAS PEP's and pr= ovide emergency information on long-lasting 9volt AM pocket radios. C-Quam= (with text too).=20=20 Whaddaythink? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: >... a phase difference on the high frecuencies range ( From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 13:35:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97401 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2011 20:35:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2011 20:35:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.8) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2011 20:35:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2011 20:35:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2011 20:35:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2011 20:35:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:35:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.247 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: AM Bandplan: was Phonograph audio capture issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=RDbbgac8gRwRiVD2svDfAKqfDdK6xQyTOj_1D9R-ox0wwPQCVw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! That's my point: Is the arm tracking error really important/significant? ??= ? I know I have a limited 12 kHz audio bandwidth in my ears, so I don't notic= e some issue here. But, the fact I don't ear it, it doesn't mean it isn't. So... About your AM band plan... mmm... Why not to eliminate the IBOC stations fr= om the air and put them inside the cable services only and leave the air to= the old, but reliable, analog AM Stereo system? ??? Don't you agree? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > WSPD went on the air with AM Stereo in 1983, and they played stereo 45's = on the air in addition to tape carts, but I noticed the record noise clicks= and pops more than any stereo phase issues, as the SRF-A100 had such high = bandwidth on locals, and before they cut down the audio at 10,200Hz, you co= uld hear well above that - out to about 12KHz on the SONY radio, so you cou= ld hear record noise more than any phase issues. Plus, the Sony was a compr= omise decoder, so it wasn't perfect anyhow. The bigger issue on the Sony c= hipset (corrected on the Motorola 2nd & 3rd generation chips) was that with= "all bass" audio in just only one channel resulted in some distortion, but= again, that was 'fixed' to perfection in the 2nd gen set in Chrysler radio= s so where it sounded great. Platform motion is all but gone too with the = fade to mono feature in the latter chips. Just when they got it right, sta= tions started turning off the CQUAM exciters per the ClearChannel Radio dir= ective, just like ABC/Cidatel telling their AM's to shut-off IBOC at night = (and eventually day). >=20 > I still think the ultimate AM bandplan here in the USA would be to have A= M stations consist of top half of band digital local, and the bottom half a= ll super-power analog (stereo) clear channel 750KW stations with 30KHz spac= ing and 15KHz analog audio! One station per frequency per coast or Odd cha= nnels in the East (650KHz), Even channels in the West (680KHz). We can dre= am, can't we? These clear channel 1A superstations would be EAS PEP's and = provide emergency information on long-lasting 9volt AM pocket radios. C-Qu= am (with text too).=20=20 >=20 > Whaddaythink? >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > >... a phase difference on the high frecuencies range ( > From radio774@yahoo.se Wed Sep 28 01:21:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81037 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2011 08:21:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2011 08:21:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.249) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2011 08:21:31 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.183] by nm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2011 08:21:30 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.168] by tm14.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2011 08:21:30 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2011 08:21:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 152745.56209.bm@omp1009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 44379 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2011 08:21:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KOsCxuIVM1mmZVIP_xuk4IqgUKgq00rCqyXTuw.8fhn1FIJ oXVGT8HUWNE06SgWHLj_sBZ.qrXsUaDH2ymEkR5SmQFLOFtP87hbxa5jGHHc EzrnUcQoJNPLCh_j.wwvydiB1TDJqiIcX4vHjeWQVre7sc_63pjNYZLs2SqW 6ICM_vsf2haFglpWo14sM7GxGEDimMmHWZoOknWlrH.2hOhUJTHLExiZW.jE kTLmDvhojTzSvNcohnqJmem68muSzNEkZ.hvzOEwha_0uPLGLHDSB3CVN8Fg ewegU.U89y4UM581vcSotIizb1ZrgnbCjETWXnSt2H0PyHe9_M_oAz5_sobA xAmBANmPKuspzcN2c_4VzzoxwBFdCmtap9Y3s_dqGIVx50cBYIoKusIYN6Cj XIHckJJsicaz5JL2pu869NQ7pUkTrI9K9hhJsCYU7VAlktGO1yWGZG8wPI0I e7nrGMxzndDVqoFYNGNjY10H1d7SISlANBKTI2j6HcZOzindh9r879qetoGQ vfwmvyH.ObcMc09FIowq4qvM5CQj.Rb.ULCtvk.q0DJvKSCBs8qz0DDSCJTg G..5xDrPgtA8RInv3bn.xUlwJtKhDaN1yIiRtWj_dtsVleWtaK0zBG9JDd4o BgQMlg59D69z_XiI.EztZ.A_aT8nGfWfRBPRN5TMxLg7gfiI5ytbGLALfK1o DyRNx.TsZNdUG2Z..JgoVG9lPokJfY17yWP3QxHkm.kkbQpp7mxdrzV6z.kG 7dE6ObgpEIZzWbglGlVU4urOT6IF0mwufu6iOIUAvHY8tkw34DIjVtRoeup5 guDpLh4xqp3vaeXLcWjO14sVPNAxfWUre1kfLr4f37qMsb5LHsoBUBwSI6qp VIXNCYzMmpqn8A1A4Eqr53dnksWUEkKPW8_aVjb26OvHBKf.aW4iWYkGgyfx 3MTtQ87cz8yphQ6bP4OVojSVelkiUaRpl6ZZmFJx5wtt5lnV9HvL1Xy2.X_f _1IuIc2YfoKbV3mWkSbeTUg2evwMQ.Ko3HDEW2HAN96vlyRkOg4KWm_6Sg2Z QfX83iNkWLN3qfqLMGU6qvIANI395xmpYbPO5Xjn0ciUVk85PG6jMkjZz.tx csFobdqmfFoItbg2niidfjoTi6BCphIeK03SXudce95TakGE9Jb7lnfJQWma 8e3goGfBidrUHZqpT0rFxItShnzi6FztZI5mIHorzpsVf69Pezja0x6WgyfA Qvp.NohkNMz1GU4sVXB073t29qfmyuKOznkS0I9_VcJKSLA1y501gBGqsJQz 3D8qizxYC7Be2haqLH9L3NqnzP64QZMnz7.A8hCVRprw803EQSsFkYvXKzK2 DmX1vRQ3ynBa8_m1fTwH8MFah5P7Ds7fhEvoEQhfHKATLBQRyX6JtZYm9J6J Al60KNnPkwR4wPCJEQFby58LmVAKm0rb7c.Q4JWhNMDdyoNXxGUCAU7se8ZU vq4ed6ktLm1wfcOyd4zmUK02z39YKyW9pVqpnI4nHDBXGs7khUr4Dq8GHyzB Anh.ffuA4CjuFGdWizQKF9mSutfY7L4R0B_lPZQJcWvf.QoEJT0gMOwKzQlq zLsLz1J6G._3B3IGNH4d1j9u9guv7G.XPaxkBXRvjQ3WFUi_CkAwdEKV2glx xHkoMvKTVmEBJ9ix8.tSzLMbJSSIp0ICJiAK.vl10nRDHo4jbv1kQ.QAUwkj qTDy7EeKdutmTa9f8VCmr.NKcaJBsp_Y.w2ed.zfhveph5nnr0I8WGW0K3Pj Nw6zmEro0lyhGvO3SjjjhKLphKqwbe5S8CL2_mI1MVwQf9a1wDSTzuzJrcuf j5Mu9UuHxdI.gGi_YytBhRpy0lX5EDlkpTKZfjf_1erX.Kmv7eY4XOysYa26 GVjQxciiwMZQILL7ObnxUTT_8iLuR9fjAksG6yLOVhBhkOSa42TzMrlSEx2K O9Xp3mGDJrGnQwn3yiAPys5OLww9N28zZcc_VuOWo9JI5tWQ4qCGw7JMr9Qx biWes70CvhP5rd4P5LFkNfp4coPq.Tm0lG6HrlYcnUE_F.Co5gEAlqOAHl91 H X-Received: from [92.35.168.36] by web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:21:29 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: Message-ID: <1317198089.13476.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:21:29 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.182.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandplan: was Phonograph audio capture issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=FsekFEIfi3khz5Z3BOzFiosRIe6XMRwha75ApQ78OhmZu8Y X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I do !!! Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Jota Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: tisdag, 27 september 2011 22:35 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandplan: was Phonograph audio capture issue =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi!!! That's my point: Is the arm tracking error really important/significant? ??= ? I know I have a limited 12 kHz audio bandwidth in my ears, so I don't notic= e some issue here. But, the fact I don't ear it, it doesn't mean it isn't. So... About your AM band plan... mmm... Why not to eliminate the IBOC stations fr= om the air and put them inside the cable services only and leave the air to= the old, but reliable, analog AM Stereo system? ??? Don't you agree? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > WSPD went on the air with AM Stereo in 1983, and they played stereo 45's = on the air in addition to tape carts, but I noticed the record noise clicks= and pops more than any stereo phase issues, as the SRF-A100 had such high = bandwidth on locals, and before they cut down the audio at 10,200Hz, you co= uld hear well above that - out to about 12KHz on the SONY radio, so you cou= ld hear record noise more than any phase issues. Plus, the Sony was a compr= omise decoder, so it wasn't perfect anyhow. The bigger issue on the Sony c= hipset (corrected on the Motorola 2nd & 3rd generation chips) was that with= "all bass" audio in just only one channel resulted in some distortion, but= again, that was 'fixed' to perfection in the 2nd gen set in Chrysler radio= s so where it sounded great. Platform motion is all but gone too with the = fade to mono feature in the latter chips. Just when they got it right, sta= tions started turning off the CQUAM exciters per the ClearChannel Radio directive, just like ABC/Cidatel telling their AM's to shut-off IBOC= at night (and eventually day). >=20 > I still think the ultimate AM bandplan here in the USA would be to have A= M stations consist of top half of band digital local, and the bottom half a= ll super-power analog (stereo) clear channel 750KW stations with 30KHz spac= ing and 15KHz analog audio! One station per frequency per coast or Odd cha= nnels in the East (650KHz), Even channels in the West (680KHz). We can dre= am, can't we? These clear channel 1A superstations would be EAS PEP's and = provide emergency information on long-lasting 9volt AM pocket radios. C-Qu= am (with text too).=20 >=20 > Whaddaythink? >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > >... a phase difference on the high frecuencies range ( > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 07:19:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6557 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2011 14:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2011 14:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.213.138) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2011 14:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2011 14:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.202] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2011 14:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2011 14:19:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 858155.81819.bm@omp1011.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20796 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2011 14:19:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iXl0ivMVM1ntYVlYZRFlDP0M7KDaOug29Ea21k88NY2GPkS eELg.bhP.lCJxRwhFxzZAzleGgoWxoV6uzuyNfpiVRtqwlGIaitSv.NC_PvI gqfDjfqj_ogSnjtDdBtV.p0io1uIT.Vm0OBguiQzlYG5MirNywLpnBd1Iyoc fiP_.b8r_QQtynwRWaj1la2AIv7Qt6vR8lwe27xfmjWxMR0iEXLudZ2iFo.t .F5fbZdncPD97G3OAKJjWCwxxhxrp84VgLr1zDUCMLzW0fyoqEU697vdCx_D P6sXfvPq6DxJCJOd9xrC2YmwgBN2SU_gbqiW1tGwBVlSHrHqsA8DMzbJqhlp Z1pgIfGa4h4cAeU9jZz4GyUt2TRT6sVxb8LJelAyvWY_Boi2xoVJsUR_1bpM BdKthlFFjhtRyupzfBaDwODnll3vsUo_SSKe2h21RLaoJIMKk9w-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web160707.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:19:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 Message-ID: <1317219558.11898.YahooMailClassic@web160707.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:19:18 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.213.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: HDT-1X features X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=wSPwdqLdf-1_EpFqi2ei5_CuG00uS0JuNcc3VKVnf7MiKbYr8KdSIi0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per an email from Sangean: =C2=A0 Thank you for your e-mail. =C2=A0 The HDT-1X software version 0.3 and 0.4 are all provides analog CQUAM AM St= ereo. We did not lose this feature. =C2=A0 If you still have any questions, please don=E2=80=99t hesitate to contact u= s. Thanks a lot !! 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19 Sep 2011 15:42:12 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <286080D3F87A4E5B8E077E7349395EB4@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:42:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.236.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} facebook X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=yHehLV2EilAHgBW2pfnLPas0xcwj0LnILvQ_578R3T-r4AvbFICqHa5wUOK3QVQAqmeP9Pji X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Sep 2011 15:57:54 -0000 Hi kc8gpd Your links don't work. Jim S ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:24 PM Subject: {AMSF} facebook hi all, i have created a new tech related facebook page in addition to my personal page. this new page is where i am moving all my tech related stuff to. pic's of studio, processing, rf gear, schematics, etc. anyone who is interested can go to this domain http://kc8gpd.tk which redirects to http://www.facebook.com/kc8gpd and put in an add friend request. if you are already part of my personal facebook and are only interested in the tech stuff but not my personal stuff then add yourself to this new facebook and feel free to remove yourself from my personal page. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Sep 29 12:22:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7433 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2011 19:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2011 19:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2011 19:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110929142220100426700010> for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:22:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E84C562.4060901@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:22:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:22:20 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.22) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/3.1.14 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110929-0, 09/29/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandplan: was Phonograph audio capture issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=MvkPxlCrOUf07VoMvPoGTj_nbkFpTDQjUInBRQzW7xJZuibxdPKz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 9/27/2011 3:35 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi!!! > > That's my point: Is the arm tracking error really important/significant? ??? > > I know I have a limited 12 kHz audio bandwidth in my ears, so I don't > notice some issue here. > > But, the fact I don't ear it, it doesn't mean it isn't. If you can't hear it don't worry about it, or else get a linear tracking phono which works the same way the cutting lathe does. Otherwise any good audio editing system will have time alignment capabilities. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 15:37:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20284 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2011 22:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2011 22:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.98) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2011 22:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2011 22:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2011 22:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2011 22:37:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:37:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.222 From: "Jota" Subject: Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=CnSf9qzSVZO6Yy9vr2Jhe4m9nFKT1bsgIIpa7ermcayl2Xja1A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I know it is an absolutely out of topics issue, but I don't have other plac= e to go. I need the name of the song and the artist of some melody I need. I just have the melody in my mind. I tried to write it (from my memories) i= nto a MIDI file and I uploaded to this forum (Melody.mid). Please!!! Listen the melody and, if somebody knows it, please, let me know = the song name and the artist to get it here. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope BTW: If somebody knows a good programmer, Why not to suggest the idea about= a melodies searching service in the Web? ??? I mean: we write a melody (MI= DI format) and the program looks for it into the cyber space. Too much scie= nce fiction? ??? From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Sep 30 15:39:04 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61266 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2011 22:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2011 22:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2011 22:39:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1317422344; bh=jEhbT8dxLYe/lHQAN18EiRRaq0/SnM5mS9LWqkhG4Bc=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IAzU6LWbShw0CQfKOCWr631McHa5sg+12Rd0jA0c6dOPWax8DACS8TmCZcQCuu0SqTQeliS7oBo7xDUTcjO0VbKQs28cQArXsXyBThdNd3YaU+p7qPbj4GoIkCe4kIZc Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2011 22:39:04 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2011 22:39:04 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2011 22:39:03 -0000 Date: 30 Sep 2011 22:39:03 -0000 Message-ID: <1317422343.400.1762.w10@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Melodía.mid Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : The unknown melody I need You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Melod%80%A0%A0%EDa.mid To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, jotape1960 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 15:42:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72108 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2011 22:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2011 22:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2011 22:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2011 22:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2011 22:42:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:42:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E84C562.4060901@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.222 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandplan: was Phonograph audio capture issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=cK_l4CMVKA3fogKqLgacaV37YmjdCUojYsos9EUVhWPiA9O-mQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Scott!!! I just knew one model of those linear tracking turntables: a Revox model. B= ut... it always was absolutely out of my pocket range!!! Is there some "fresh" model today? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 9/27/2011 3:35 PM, Jota wrote: > > Hi!!! > > > > That's my point: Is the arm tracking error really important/significant= ? ??? > > > > I know I have a limited 12 kHz audio bandwidth in my ears, so I don't > > notice some issue here. > > > > But, the fact I don't ear it, it doesn't mean it isn't. >=20 > If you can't hear it don't worry about it, or else get a linear tracking= =20 > phono which works the same way the cutting lathe does. Otherwise any=20 > good audio editing system will have time alignment capabilities. >=20 > Scott Todd > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Sep 30 18:18:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13627 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2011 01:18:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m12.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2011 01:18:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2011 01:18:15 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20110930201804101567800010> for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 20:18:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E866A4A.9090705@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 20:18:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 20:18:04 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.22) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/3.1.14 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110930-1, 09/30/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandplan: was Phonograph audio capture issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BQbXRTemiYajC9MngPHNdt56PucSFj14lworem81iNG7kwcCOVVn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 9/30/2011 5:43 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi, Scott!!! > > I just knew one model of those linear tracking turntables: a Revox > model. But... it always was absolutely out of my pocket range!!! > > Is there some "fresh" model today? ??? All sorts of them on ebay right now. Otherwise a Google search for: turntable, +"linear tracking" just as I typed it should give you as much info as you need. Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Sep 30 20:35:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76099 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2011 03:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2011 03:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2011 03:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p913Zd6h011279 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 23:35:39 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.1]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 05057E000081 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 23:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 23:35:38 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442138144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a4e868a8b7e6f X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandplan: was Phonograph audio capture issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=AkGd6Ms1dAuWKIiCKVbRWBNHYPFJGE_zThgl-XZ-mMDVfi_DI1vt X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I am a real fan of the Pioneer PL-L1000 Linear Tracker. Virtually identical to the Phase Linear Model 8000. Some of the nicest engineering I have seen went into those turntables. I used to be able to get them on Ebay for around $150 unchecked or sometimes I would see them up to $300 buy-it-now for a really mint one. I think they are bringing higher prices nowadays. The Pioneer tonearm sits on a trolley that rolls on stainless steel bars and uses an optical servo system to track the record grooves. The tonearm trolley moves back and forth using a Linear magnetic motor so there are no strings or pulleys to move it, just magnetic force. It has a sub-suspension system for the tonearm and turntable platter. The tracking is near perfect for both 33 and 45 RPM records. It doesn't have an anti-skating adjustment because there is no skating force with a linear tracker. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 9/30/2011 9:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: On 9/30/2011 5:43 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi, Scott!!! > > I just knew one model of those linear tracking turntables: a Revox > model. But... it always was absolutely out of my pocket range!!! > > Is there some "fresh" model today? ??? All sorts of them on ebay right now. Otherwise a Google search for: turntable, +"linear tracking" just as I typed it should give you as much info as you need. Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 01 12:08:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31725 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2011 19:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2011 19:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2011 19:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2011 19:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2011 19:08:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:08:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Phonograph audio capture issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_OO_toimOFldYzLKONOAix4SXE0_nyGPB3bSYQAim-F__3Py6zBHanY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I had also read that there was a company that was making a no-contact laser= /optical-pickup turntable that could read the grooves in an analog record w= ithout destroying the grooves, but it was 1982 and the CD was just invented= , so they gave up - too bad, it would still be great for analog to digital = transfer, if they got it to work correctly!=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > I am a real fan of the Pioneer PL-L1000 Linear Tracker. Virtually identic= al Phase Linear Model 8000....Pioneer tonearm sits on a trolley that rolls = on stainless steel bars and uses an optical > servo system to track the record grooves. The tonearm trolley moves back = and forth using a Linear magnetic motor From tjdeshler@yahoo.com Sat Oct 01 13:36:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: tjdeshler@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61467 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2011 20:36:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2011 20:36:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.172) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2011 20:36:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2011 20:36:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.77] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2011 20:36:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2011 20:36:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 78698.19148.bm@omp1014.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 67936 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2011 20:36:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4JVvkPYVM1kWO9_g66hbDWZUt1QmmhkkziOYgqjE08s3H.5 KCf_pQ3azXR14wIP8_eLfegm.X6VyVEzDf.iNalw3wYlsAo.WdchPjuo.1Bl .ghIJgSJFY.E1Sp5gwBMd3lAa4GKSAOUUP8g1NmNtL8tSe100H6M7oDrAMKh ikHajiqtjXoV6B7hmKPlO5vgU6N2X2YO9EjPAvvBwAmTDpkSsmsnrJyzcS4x fqA58aPlr9WeD6Hg5g.uYHiCsVUirGolXu1gS6.YMBIjQs_X7uJPF5tY9jkX sqRcaVKVmTBADEuZJ78K6GfpmGJryYVYhPHUaS26Ti5.h95jAVtqkOcoPq0f go8xEC.XsGXYA1ym2Si9d2VciXso31KEPwSMqWJLDSzdqJp29FQGGcqQsBsq HLwjYJ077tNjeEcjiq_KJJcQqLP_MSV3vSavelcYcldLfLqVT1IeV6.rrzN6 hj0L1Td1ELp29vUJuMBY8I92V_55ju24ubhj8QC1BsL1Izd4mmoekKUk- X-Received: from [68.183.218.24] by web83407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:36:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 Message-ID: <1317501415.48784.YahooMailClassic@web83407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:36:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: timothy deshler Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Phonograph audio capture issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=195264138; y=wezyUWgUN5c0ZBlGLBiZgL2l-4wuqCwIzhHp2OJarG4bCTjV X-Yahoo-Profile: tjdeshler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ELP laser turntable a new model is available in dec 2011 http://www.elpj.com/ Thank You Kindly Now, Timothy Deshler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Oct 01 21:21:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97003 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2011 04:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2011 04:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2011 04:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2011 04:21:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2011 04:21:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 04:21:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1317501415.48784.YahooMailClassic@web83407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.194 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Phonograph audio capture issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BbtX36UL1ss1RHxMoeImgLZz0kMY1uRuwVHgi3dRh0iO-j2B5w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Timothy!!! I saw their webpage and I think the turntables are the dreamed solution to = all the vinyl music lovers. The only one problem is... THE PRICE!!! US$21,010.00 is... a little... "hig= h", Don't you think? ??? (I mean, we can find a whole and good AM TX, with = stereo exciter, in that range). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, timothy deshler wrote= : > > ELP laser turntable > a new model is available in dec 2011 > http://www.elpj.com/ >=20 >=20 > Thank You Kindly Now,=20 >=20 > Timothy Deshler >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Oct 02 04:11:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10259 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2011 11:11:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2011 11:11:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f53.google.com) (209.85.214.53) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2011 11:11:03 -0000 X-Received: by bkbzt12 with SMTP id zt12so5013153bkb.40 for ; Sun, 02 Oct 2011 04:10:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.139.219 with SMTP id f27mr9583003bku.288.1317553859244; Sun, 02 Oct 2011 04:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.41.137 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Oct 2011 04:10:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 19:10:59 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=tYHuSdPH88bLsm2AOOKW6q1PDcL1FkPpjSAW3lHut2faF5w6 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, you are quite a good keyboard player. I don't know the name of the song, bu= t Apple already have a song identification called Shazam. You can whistle, hu= m or play a tune and it will try to identify it for you. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Jota wrote: > ** > > > Hi Gang!!! > > I know it is an absolutely out of topics issue, but I don't have other > place to go. > > I need the name of the song and the artist of some melody I need. > > I just have the melody in my mind. I tried to write it (from my memories) > into a MIDI file and I uploaded to this forum (Melody.mid). > > Please!!! Listen the melody and, if somebody knows it, please, let me kno= w > the song name and the artist to get it here. > > THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > > BTW: If somebody knows a good programmer, Why not to suggest the idea abo= ut > a melodies searching service in the Web? ??? I mean: we write a melody (M= IDI > format) and the program looks for it into the cyber space. Too much scien= ce > fiction? ??? > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Oct 06 09:39:10 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70944 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2011 16:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2011 16:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2011 16:39:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1317919139; bh=crAtWXl/R4zlQA6b2z4kf/7bX2Eglq3PF54O55RfpBQ=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=cCGr9Az0Yar2K7NrAYCnmrpv2VLLND2DAjXxjtInBmqIPgOR8reJqVrN0bGyfrp5a76IlCiKU+yx9wlrO3xuQaajy8n06CddT9GEXJa8fYXkSxFlhLy0sCI51r1nQf+F Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 16:38:59 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 16:38:59 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7623 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2011 16:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2011 16:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.158) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2011 16:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP318 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:13:52 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP318.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:13:50 -0700 To: References: <286080D3F87A4E5B8E077E7349395EB4@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:13:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2011 16:13:50.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[C67F2BC0:01CC7EC2] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} facebook X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=dqK9vWbo2j3xqtA-WQNdOq2xyREvzj0XvDIPdSKFAIPa X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Oct 2011 16:38:56 -0000 try again. i just clicked the link in this email and it worked. you know in order to see anthing beyond an error page or basic page you must be logged into your facebook and then put in a friend request. you need to be signed into your facebook to not receive the error page. you need to be added as a friend to see anything beyond a very basic page. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" To: Cc: "jim smith" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:42 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} facebook > Hi kc8gpd Your links don't work. Jim S > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kc8gpd > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:24 PM > Subject: {AMSF} facebook > > > > hi all, > > i have created a new tech related facebook page in addition to my > personal page. this new page is where i am moving all my tech related > stuff to. > > pic's of studio, processing, rf gear, schematics, etc. > > anyone who is interested can go to this domain http://kc8gpd.tk which > redirects to http://www.facebook.com/kc8gpd > > and put in an add friend request. if you are already part of my personal > facebook and are only interested in the tech stuff but not my personal > stuff then add yourself to this new facebook and feel free to remove > yourself from my personal page. > > Thank You, > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 06 10:17:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50779 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2011 17:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2011 17:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.213.170) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2011 17:17:35 -0000 X-Received: by yxi13 with SMTP id 13so2846556yxi.15 for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 10:17:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.27.34 with SMTP id e34mr714324anj.162.1317921454741; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 10:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u13sm16450543anf.14.2011.10.06.10.17.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 06 Oct 2011 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:17:31 -0400 Message-Id: <3400ADCB-0C0F-402A-A1D5-9F331DDCBD7B@gmail.com> References: <286080D3F87A4E5B8E077E7349395EB4@jim3slp85ju21o> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} facebook X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=fVNEQIyhynU2tzsHsb2_6yBjymkDCGKsJOZPEQ4XZwQrK3_frHqZ7mVkTvHPnw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 29, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > try again. i just clicked the link in this email and it worked. Yup, works here with Apple OSX 10.7.1 and Safari 5.1 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 06 10:19:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39591 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2011 17:19:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2011 17:19:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.8) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2011 17:19:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 17:19:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 17:19:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 17:19:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 17:19:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.184 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=EFbOVCvIju3hLafztEXCFPlFbxqeEYpOgo4GRO2JD_Lz-LHY3A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Thanks a lot for your data. Unfortunately, that applett works only into App= le systems (Mac, iPad, etc.) I don't have any. Well, if someone knows the melody, please let me know the name and the arti= st. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Regi=F3n del Maule, Chile, South America, with love and hope From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Oct 06 10:21:24 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86036 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2011 17:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2011 17:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2011 17:21:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1317921683; bh=xoONtdezSjVgjGAYmD4BZVOeOSr2Of6mbrvdgN1qwyI=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ra74NDo1ffL9R6abeuVtdMmuaM7wBBTrTUON3rSeEZSLxbOgLltwb+5m/NA2seQgwC/AqU1NBVCsMPgQATy3ZpjMCOdpVqKhN9cUM8Ey3TCO0b9VKDSGF1Ic97OB9j7h Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 17:21:23 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 17:21:23 -0000 Date: 6 Oct 2011 17:21:22 -0000 Message-ID: <1317921682.7907.35568.w12@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Show de las 22 05 1968.jpg Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : Around 1968, when our station had a live show from our basement, Glorious Days!!! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Show%20de%20las%2022%2005%201968.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, jotape1960 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 06 10:41:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82762 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2011 17:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2011 17:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f51.google.com) (209.85.216.51) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2011 17:41:35 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qw0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 1so2773722qap.38 for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 10:41:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.180.139 with SMTP id bu11mr765814qab.18.1317922895418; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 10:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z1sm7207351qao.1.2011.10.06.10.41.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 06 Oct 2011 10:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:41:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=nXjUNHUI1STZw_6bgo-M99jTirfbO2qE2-N_xyuuGMPrgmhPlvkdWcXY00XWrA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Jota wrote: > Well, if someone knows the melody, please let me know the name and the artist. Frank Mills "Music Box Dancer" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N_tmH6y7ng&feature=related 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 06 10:44:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44317 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2011 17:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2011 17:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.141) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2011 17:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 17:44:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 17:44:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 17:44:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 17:44:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.164.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.184 From: "Jota" Subject: Live Show from around 1968 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9BYab_k6wZBUH20MJzsXGxYtjJnSaCpXU0ew_aTyH2cveubsMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I uploaded a photograph from my golden memories: a live show we had on the = 1950-1960 decades. The name of the show was: "El Show de las 22:05" (Show o= f the 22:05, because it was the original schedule time of the program). It was... how could I express it... an amazing time!!! Live music, with loc= al amateur musician (the young lady singer was 15 years old at that time), = well, you know: THE RADIO GOLDEN AGE!!!!!!! You can see the RCA, Akai and Philips mikes which are used in the photo (I = don't understand the spatial arrangement but, it was that way). I wonder... How good it should was if it had been AM Stereo at that time? ?= ?? The RCA and the Philips mikes are that I'm thinking to sell (because I need= the money) but I don't want to do it because they are part of my life: I w= as 8 years old at that time and these mikes are still 100% operative today!= !! Could I get something better with the money I'd get from them, today? ??= ? Well, it is just something from the past. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Regi=F3n del Maule, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 06 10:54:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13980 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2011 17:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2011 17:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2011 17:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 17:54:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 17:54:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2011 17:54:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 17:54:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.184 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=W79GRrBcAfXNQe3xHkGESR1Qy9xAas9IAHFs2CZ0hh5zS5WVJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Kevin!!! No, it isn't the tune. I have the Frank Mills' album (a very good work) and= the tune I need isn't on that record. Whatever, thanks a lot for your time!!! BTW: at the beginning of the "Music Box Dancer" tune (the piano solo) we ca= n ear some "pops" which I thought as a vinyl surface issue, but it isn't. I= t seems to be some piano pedal issue (or bad mike support? ???). Whatever, = we can eliminate it with a good "pop and crackle" filter (Adobe Audition), = but I'm not sure if we should have to do it. ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Jota wrote: >=20 > > Well, if someone knows the melody, please let me know the name and the = artist. >=20 > Frank Mills "Music Box Dancer"=20 >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2N_tmH6y7ng&feature=3Drelated >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 06 11:44:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17262 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2011 18:44:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2011 18:44:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2011 18:44:51 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111006134443103059600010> for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:44:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4E8DF710.7060303@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:44:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:44:43 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111006-0, 10/06/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4ECdxR1HAhnH6FeCshHBRakuOnYjsfJdWDAhNpSs9gE4SeRZZi8D X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 10/6/2011 12:41 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Jota wrote: > > > Well, if someone knows the melody, please let me know the name and > the artist. > > Frank Mills "Music Box Dancer" > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N_tmH6y7ng&feature=related > > > From the late 70's, IIRC. I remember working at the KSTP transmitter (one of the last stations in the country keeping live transmitter ops at the time) and I'd almost always turn the monitors up when that one was played on the FM. Scott Todd From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Oct 08 09:13:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85937 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2011 16:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2011 16:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2011 16:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p98GD7Fu003674 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:13:07 -0400 X-Received: from core-mrb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.199.141]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AA513E000082 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <81564.3f7bc646.3bc1d093@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:13:07 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:364084608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a4e9076936424 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} facebook X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Rb0fHCTVj7gJcX9shTG_JW0GsSftWGZ8P7RJxJQIL6umrWjUml4_7p7VwQTm2pq8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I joined Facebook last night. Scary. When it gave me a list of possible friends, it was like my like passing in front of my eyes. Names I hadn't even heard for 30 years or met perhaps once or twice long before www. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Oct 08 09:55:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98754 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2011 16:55:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2011 16:55:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f51.google.com) (209.85.213.51) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2011 16:55:22 -0000 X-Received: by ywn1 with SMTP id 1so5228243ywn.38 for ; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.50.5 with SMTP id c5mr1698271ybk.66.1318092921824; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n8sm35506424and.1.2011.10.08.09.55.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 08 Oct 2011 09:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:55:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: <81564.3f7bc646.3bc1d093@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <81564.3f7bc646.3bc1d093@aol.com> Message-Id: <9781C5F0-8501-4C5E-904A-40DFE4B044C2@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} facebook X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=7ORJHN3Rt_Q-FEJ2jfrCeQoGiCa8K0hH5McpdBRYOSVR-gjeMvIX2Go2QnvyJw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 8, 2011, at 12:13 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I joined Facebook last night. Scary. When it gave me a list of possible > friends, it was like my like passing in front of my eyes. Names I hadn't > even heard for 30 years or met perhaps once or twice long before www. Go to http://www.facebook.com/PossumHunter and send me a friend request, and I will friend ya. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Oct 08 10:29:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70192 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2011 17:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2011 17:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2011 17:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.180]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LSR001COCKP1HX0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:29:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <81564.3f7bc646.3bc1d093@aol.com> In-reply-to: <81564.3f7bc646.3bc1d093@aol.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:29:15 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Facebook X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This also should give you an idea of how little privacy you and those long-= ago acquaintance have. From what I understand, Facebook will be tracking y= our internet activities from this point on, to build a complete profile of = you that they can market to advertising, political groups, and other intere= sts. Welcome to the New World! Dick W. From: mjgrant@aol.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:13 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} facebook =20=20 I joined Facebook last night. Scary. When it gave me a list of possible=20 friends, it was like my like passing in front of my eyes. Names I hadn't=20 even heard for 30 years or met perhaps once or twice long before www. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Oct 08 16:38:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41835 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2011 23:38:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2011 23:38:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s37.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2011 23:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from BLU152-W15 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:38:16 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:38:15 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <81564.3f7bc646.3bc1d093@aol.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2011 23:38:16.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A4C6B40:01CC8613] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: d r t Subject: RE: {AMSF} Facebook X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=LtSdwREhChwGlWJx0l2yWIpK2mI-EUCW9wZqO-1t6rugBYAiM3wgbT2VLL4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Somehow, I guess at one point in time, I put myself on Facebook, before all= these privacy concerns came up; I haven't put anything in my profile, but = basically two things (restaurants) that I has said I liked got onto my face= book page. Also, I'm sure I've upset some people, since I have at least 15 = pending facebook friend request and I've ignored them all, until I can be r= eassured that the privacy issues can be resolved; Norbert from the AM stere= o list, I think might be on the only friend on my facebook page, but your f= riend is right, when I've gone to my page, it mentions possible friends, an= d even friends of friends. I did try to put a picture of myself on it, but = it said the picture (jpg) didn't have enough pixels, so I just let that go,= my life has been too complicated any more to figure out what the latest fa= cebook rules and configurations are. On another topic I can get channel 10 = now, about as good as 13 and 32, in other words, I always have to do a litt= le tweaking with my antenna, but previously it was unreceivable 95 percent = of the time; I guess I was able to get it once or twice, probable due to tr= opo from the north. Even though they are all in Riverview, I get channels = 3, 8, 16 and 40 (Parrish) better than 10, 28 or 32, but all are watchable, = with a little antenna tuning. Now, I need to pack, I was hoping that by thi= s time I would be packed and ready for bed. Have a good Sunday. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: dwtpa97@verizon.net Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:29:15 -0400 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Facebook =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 This also should give you an idea of how little privacy you and those= long-ago acquaintance have. From what I understand, Facebook will be trac= king your internet activities from this point on, to build a complete profi= le of you that they can market to advertising, political groups, and other = interests. Welcome to the New World! Dick W. From: mjgrant@aol.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:13 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} facebook I joined Facebook last night. Scary. When it gave me a list of possible=20 friends, it was like my like passing in front of my eyes. Names I hadn't=20 even heard for 30 years or met perhaps once or twice long before www. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Oct 08 18:22:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41084 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2011 01:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2011 01:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2011 01:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p991MX6O001570 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2011 21:22:33 -0400 X-Received: from core-mra005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mra005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.81]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CC0EBE000081 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2011 21:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16a3c.30fdb28d.3bc25159@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 21:22:33 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400207904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc4e90f7596cd4 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} facebook X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Jo-jG_WTsuL83-OxcLDJHs2luf9DPc2CYL6OdfSYTA2XjSJVEL543XJf748q7miC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/8/2011 11:55:25 AM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > send me a friend request, and I will friend ya. :-) > This is too freaky. I just looked at my Profile and there's a name of a barber I went to ONCE 20 some years ago. I don't even think it was by appointment. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 08 21:16:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3491 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2011 04:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2011 04:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.28) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2011 04:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2011 04:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2011 04:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2011 04:16:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 04:16:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <81564.3f7bc646.3bc1d093@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: DCC Digital Compact Cassette deck to borrow for dubbing? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=C5x3k_RMnHVRkqtVCogczX6o9Y1QIx9S_EvcK8E15JwReEb3cQRrsj0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Since we like unique special technology (AM stereo) I thought I'd check her= e. I have two DCC tapes that I recorded on my DCC (Digital Compact Cassette) r= ecorder deck 15 years ago. I went to play them last night, and the DCC dec= k won't play any digital DCC tapes, only the standard analog tapes. Does a= nybody have a DCC deck I could 'borrow' long-enough to dub these two DCC ta= pes to a non-orphan format? If so, please contact me off list. I would be willing to send you back som= e pre-recorded classical DCC tapes in addition to return of your DCC deck a= fter I make that dubs. Pleaes let me know. Thanks all, John P. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Oct 08 22:23:07 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42194 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2011 05:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2011 05:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2011 05:23:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1318137784; bh=0se0rTtHLDsLOeeP9mjVy5Nh8PVETDy3iUWwXF+JxtA=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=QIde9krLgKA5YlVgh011Flf6c9gHTeLqhXmfpTJPo7FY5cRTVDIJj97IOes2OmTpXrTZZK8285WIWFUr6HQU1Fj7n1NBV1FHRHWqXjAjbLkTW/FqZAkUyxPrcQVTurZb Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2011 05:23:04 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2011 05:23:04 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96190 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2011 17:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2011 17:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s22.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.161) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2011 17:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP371 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 8 Oct 2011 10:59:34 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP371.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 8 Oct 2011 10:59:32 -0700 To: Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 11:59:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2011 17:59:32.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[087C8E00:01CC85E4] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: sstran amt 5000 assembly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=dfvRTy77cBx5h6B3uXg4YAT_S7THHRnVPvNLf46dHXw0 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Oct 2011 05:23:04 -0000 public link https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.111925762250395.16947.100002989142408&l=65d972012a&type=1 i'm missing a couple parts which phil has sent to my moms. i should have them picked up and tx completed by mid next week. then i can test up against my rangemaster. 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Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Oct 09 12:10:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4863 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2011 19:10:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2011 19:10:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.216) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2011 19:10:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2011 19:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2011 19:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2011 19:10:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:10:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.216 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.228 From: "Jota" Subject: Springtime issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=FIMRxA6dUPlae-z5XldcZy86oWu0NkC1BS1JAonww4EKqm23cQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Yesterday was a typical springtime day, with the typical atmospheric electr= ic storm (remember I live in the south part of the world and now is springt= ime, here). In one moment, I got more than one spark per second at the discharging ball= s at the botton of my AM tower. And... Such a sparks!!! BUT... my old, so old, McMartin BA-2.5K... as nothing!!! It still worked wi= thout any problem. Then is when I think... the new 100% solid state devices... Can tolerate th= is kind of punishment without further problems? ??? BTW: I wonder if these kind of atmospheric conditions would affect, in some= way, an AM Stereo transmission. ??? Some Idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 10 01:22:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93200 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2011 08:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2011 08:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.129) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2011 08:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2011 08:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.93] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2011 08:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2011 08:22:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 937984.56981.bm@omp1030.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 60217 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2011 08:22:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: NwipgK8VM1mmSYGGcMQovQsDyQqYVEGeUu5Qvr.rat.QhNo Gxz9_FOzTTUMIfWXl0p3Msxe7wncq3KH0dAE6ksIbnhmzg6MKlaU_bxANPTZ BX8sms_WgTKz5bRnN2EFGpasU99DLuMlNEsP2TsUX3oh4gp0GFSOZvYvuVBQ 792FnP9jbVbGQiDbIV2Iz3rfB1.hPOBHbCoqsAJLRmDWyXxHSzkEfYxcl4FS _fsuZw19rMLStpz0JgIFFkr0BFhNagrhmy1_4jNTx4BFVA.ekF7GG2NeboWW AvaSAt7qMeuIW_wbdprzZhsP6PmYRYhf0uMdMblypGTdp5NN8vYjPIOolCZv 3WnJA9EKJbDlC5NLFiE1S9ZSxHFhkLuACMuxSJ6CUSfEBrguvxcd7ZhtsNrW wtaicG70- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.19.158.117 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2011 01:22:23 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 01:22:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: I e mailed the FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Ov8rMnS1jnJn93G86L13oCDIOwbZyoYAJ4o4lVWyKGo0OtOb9M2ORv4v5CmkLPoTCok6tDX_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had e mailed the FCC again but i still don't think it did much good like normal. I did mentioned that i thought that thay where so post to be working more for us listeners than so much for the industery. I did state that i do have a HD RADIO and i did not like it on AM. With the lack of coverage and more noise the AM band thats not good. I had mentioned also if you can get a analog mono signal that you can get a AM STEREO signal. I have notice that the debate about lower coverage from a AM STEREO is not being talked about here any more. I also mentioned that the trasmion band width should change between 15khz day and 10 khz night. There is some more stuff i had mention but i can't remember right at this tired time. Thanks folks. Jim Smith Loomis Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Wed Oct 12 00:29:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20145 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2011 07:29:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2011 07:29:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.152) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2011 07:29:49 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20111012072948.LQOX18547.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:29:48 +0000 X-Received: from DavoPC ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20111012072948.UCXG26052.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@DavoPC> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:29:48 +0000 To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:29:45 +1100 Message-ID: <6F79C39234B147438DAE3BDD0783ADD1@DavoPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 Thread-Index: AcyHJb/mU8WeuGZKSeyM01LYXOg+twBiJCkw X-SIH-MSG-ID: rh40EdH8TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU632J7M+ksr21TxcNh2PPGgqZ6T0X4/Qs+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "ian davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} I e mailed the FCC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jim smith Subject: {AMSF} I e mailed the FCC Hi Gang I had e mailed the FCC again but i still don't think it did much good like normal. I did mentioned that i thought that thay where so post to be working more for us listeners than so much for the industery. I did state that i do have a HD RADIO and i did not like it on AM. With the lack of coverage and more noise the AM band thats not good. I had mentioned also if you can get a analog mono signal that you can get a AM STEREO signal. I have notice that the debate about lower coverage from a AM STEREO is not being talked about here any more. I also mentioned that the trasmion band width should change between 15khz day and 10 khz night. There is some more stuff i had mention but i can't remember right at this tired time. Thanks folks. Jim Smith Loomis Ca Good on you Jim! You keep fighting for better AM stereo radio. Living in Melbourne, I simply have to accept that AM stereo died a few years ago and we have successfully moved on. We've now had DAB+ for two years and it sounds sensational, and sales of digital radios have gone through the roof . even though they're still 50% more expensive than AM/FM radios. I do voluntary work at 3GDR - the community station that claims to be "Radio As It Used To Be". We only have a licence to broadcast to the Waverly precinct of Greater Melbourne, but in actual fact manage we get to half of the population broadcasting with the power of one 100 watt lightglobe. Our current mission is to obtain federal government approval to move from a "sub-metro" licence to a "full Melbourne" licence. All community stations with a full Melbourne licence are already broadcasting in digital (with a bit of government assistance) along with the big guys - and this is the way it should be. cheers Ian - Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 12 12:28:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85061 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2011 19:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2011 19:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.177) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2011 19:28:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2011 19:28:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.201] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2011 19:28:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2011 19:28:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 281482.50605.bm@omp1010.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 96492 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2011 19:28:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _fqTyDoVM1lKNJICoJy0jCnp7p_pp1kIvF0TgAzv.Efj0j0 k29eHf5p.1yb1YpwBV4jy5OGkVRj7PCgVwRn8QB3qLcP0zfOhWQKr9TxVgMH O9uFu5h8tIJZxzPt6FQ6ZIGtfZh7.olKnW6PP8AdbRF.Cjl2K4_7vrjdwXgb 3ovvM4nrDgH4ndy0qrOikWohHgtSDIhFcF.kfJR90hibCdyx0y_YhTwnXWJj b3kXIeGgfuMVtdLVZb_8dcEu4cEBaMuE07P0xLD3lsCs9zSASaINH1xUfhhk NKZOXKqmRZeP6HD5M0iehHYxSFCAEPAQsuXZI.2bivzFA0an8vgcboV_ChXw jAdD2y4VgZBsnsAQp7z.H8xFV.sywZik3e7Fdf_R5tUw52MI4ycLKwrh045a ZRqKRGtgxUZz2CMVrueVwbSzq9pkesTLQF.8DVymkIAQPXtj6 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:28:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 Message-ID: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:28:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.212.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=VZ9CpTI1-O-K9eSD-tsgY8yG10Jz6Ig-SWBSYYXasDCzt6krd9Wzqco X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The NAB killed DAB (and DAB+) because a 50KW AM clear channel or a super-po= wer FM at 150KW would have the same power as a 500W daytimer or a 100 watt = FM translator - on DAB everybody has the same signal strength, so the NAB d= idn't want DAB, and shoved the not ready for primetime HD radio hybrid thru= as everybody would start out even and level and programming would determin= e the winners and losers, not wattage and coverage. =A0 =A0 =A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Wed Oct 12 22:32:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52379 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 05:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 05:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm22-vm3.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.221) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 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Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:32:01 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:32:01 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=PRIHjqqy4C4kmDuTay4msD8JiWlyoND0kl3HW2voHoSZeIU X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, i suppose the band 174 - 238 MHz is in service to analouge TV in the States= . In europe digital Tv is in the UHF band and dab+ in the band lll =3D 174 = - 238 MHz. The L-band 142 - 1492 MHz can be to dab+ in europe. Read something about that if AM stereo is in service to a am TX ,the audio = even in mono will be better in a mono reciver?? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: John Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: onsdag, 12 oktober 2011 21:28 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 The NAB killed DAB (and DAB+) because a 50KW AM clear channel or a super-po= wer FM at 150KW would have the same power as a 500W daytimer or a 100 watt = FM translator - on DAB everybody has the same signal strength, so the NAB d= idn't want DAB, and shoved the not ready for primetime HD radio hybrid thru= as everybody would start out even and level and programming would determin= e the winners and losers, not wattage and coverage. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Oct 12 23:12:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14102 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 06:12:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 06:12:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.214.47) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 06:12:27 -0000 X-Received: by mail-bw0-f47.google.com with SMTP id t8so229499bka.34 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:12:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.136.131 with SMTP id r3mr1396211bkt.60.1318486345355; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:12:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.129.88 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:12:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:12:25 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=6ANAgsL4VUm8iXyZz0Ky-e_i2hFX3vZf2aaha_okP4EXljIY X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another AM/FM/DAB+ comparison here: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=3D96045 On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > ** > > > Hi, > i suppose the band 174 - 238 MHz is in service to analouge TV in the > States. In europe digital Tv is in the UHF band and dab+ in the band lll = =3D > 174 - 238 MHz. > The L-band 142 - 1492 MHz can be to dab+ in europe. > Read something about that if AM stereo is in service to a am TX ,the audi= o > even in mono will be better in a mono reciver?? > > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > > ________________________________ > Fr=E5n: John > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: onsdag, 12 oktober 2011 21:28 > =C4mne: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA > > > > > The NAB killed DAB (and DAB+) because a 50KW AM clear channel or a > super-power FM at 150KW would have the same power as a 500W daytimer or a > 100 watt FM translator - on DAB everybody has the same signal strength, s= o > the NAB didn't want DAB, and shoved the not ready for primetime HD radio > hybrid thru as everybody would start out even and level and programming > would determine the winners and losers, not wattage and coverage. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Oct 13 01:42:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98546 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 08:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 08:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.74) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 08:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm22.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 08:42:25 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.172] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 08:42:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 08:42:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 241448.33233.bm@omp1013.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 58203 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2011 08:42:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q0j2u3kVM1ku1RcddogRRiEfCweHlEqeSM9lFTXHjpqKJ_o aiJphZ1iHCZDi1dv5nsLiXk4yRDLUbpoT3qW7GAkK9nC_RGxlsBY0w4SmzRB HP0vpo3rQ4rEMI7U.QjNWTPrtsilJ5e_A6hrrqO1CLClPvKmX7DgLc2Nb4by Mw.j3Y1T02hbi7TKYRg0HvA97GvpllQ3wFHA09TpsYBAPdFxV8otZu7eI3UZ JZ4TuB0Q2TEc8AVuX_KR5p0ebBItXsmAmJtijQF5kqlyAbqi3Nj.D0nb8Rdu pdwWA7AHx.RGWo78crdINIoNqlbqBZZoBHGf43wkGX9WUpT_uX3FPp8yGQA5 l7fEpLb3WspuYICAmtEVsZsV2AMatpKAyyY.TzseH5.AwkhQ8rGWZFOPbZey G9G3APhsSYRRdn2v2iDrLmrNlXOKPr654zH4B2Ips3bbcXWhVyPYixT2wgRM EaN7K9oPsSeAkLQYd9ixLxMmKcvOolGFiQfGXkozzjaI_0NroFS896g2OmbY C078YmtVD6RlNL_6TlX09sN6r8a1GCJB147opjWdiTjIftuD6wr5R_vbapJM Q.4sBc.GalfZ50zoXvBpKm3xlLXyV8v0EvPCvMxln0iQxb2k4PAqOTzBXaAB 5MKvd3sTI5fhAt4GffjSlQoTZw8wTo7SxLweTI4am0cVt X-Received: from [92.35.133.72] by web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:42:24 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1318495344.57284.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:42:24 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=8OvEuj063JdpTYhjlPiWh5LAqxa4K8f9NVOUIf9HoRbRUp8 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable However in facto, your voice is analouge, your ears are analouge, everything your hear is ana= louge???? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=E5n: Daniel Piccoli Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 13 oktober 2011 8:12 =C4mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA Another AM/FM/DAB+ comparison here: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=3D96045 On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > ** > > > Hi, > i suppose the band 174 - 238 MHz is in service to analouge TV in the > States. In europe digital Tv is in the UHF band and dab+ in the band lll = =3D > 174 - 238 MHz. > The L-band 142 - 1492 MHz can be to dab+ in europe. > Read something about that if AM stereo is in service to a am TX ,the audi= o > even in mono will be better in a mono reciver?? > > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > > ________________________________ > Fr=E5n: John > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: onsdag, 12 oktober 2011 21:28 > =C4mne: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA > > > > > The NAB killed DAB (and DAB+) because a 50KW AM clear channel or a > super-power FM at 150KW would have the same power as a 500W daytimer or a > 100 watt FM translator - on DAB everybody has the same signal strength, s= o > the NAB didn't want DAB, and shoved the not ready for primetime HD radio > hybrid thru as everybody would start out even and level and programming > would determine the winners and losers, not wattage and coverage. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=A0=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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[24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j13sm15077527ani.19.2011.10.13.03.35.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 03:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) In-Reply-To: <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:35:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=wU1xrN-lSkQIa1CbNac9ljS4DdN2OfUTpAvZgw_-NdtFm9wjOdzHfsrLLBoSCw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:32 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > i suppose the band 174 - 238 MHz is in service to analouge TV in the Stat= es. Other than a few Low Power stations, there are no more Analog TV Stations i= n the United States, but Digital TV is being broadcast in the VHF as well a= s UHF Spectrum. > Read something about that if AM stereo is in service to a am TX ,the audi= o even in mono will be better in a mono recover?? Yes, because AM Stereo requires less Phase Noise and Distortion in the tran= smitter and antenna system of the Broadcast Station. This will make any rad= io sound better. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Oct 13 04:34:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89961 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 11:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 11:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.192) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 11:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.183] by nm18.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 11:33:57 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.61] by tm14.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 11:33:57 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 11:33:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 44662.21610.bm@omp1030.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 56946 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2011 11:33:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rxIRuMIVM1k5gnf0LF69SNm6En7N9mHoVLZA0jjVP60ybQC ekahMFBsbf41voOEgkt9o7aVqaXwhlXCysJgaZq5TTgfZr1xRwIxKzReRT_4 zlQ7ptki8QiqsbM0jCM_qf3CmZO4PVW3U3DrPHlKWyhtQ1j6XOAspUf9F9Y. zyaEJU_5.jUzwVvPsZ0nUWoViJvRV.ERk8GQtxmC_4Ea8dzdUo1ybq0IBORw bpuCMC3l0ZDUpC2fzCoT4L0VMe8.TbgWC0TJtyZ8Hm5.FQQtcDEdfoSsmMHe mXZ7VwZV4H.80NGKqwBklWkNKhh8vG.FAdvVX7Lfw9dfWMgfCDU.7ixrdTXl u6kzTS2QXkEIv3P4.ThV1W18j0Rm4.dn32VxI2.PEyFz1knaTUpSzijDgurY Rx0xa6dLVFmJPJesyly44sSBDhnxuxPWyLSN_3osQD8N8Hr2.3MiZfozS7nj AVm8gemas2jkwkQ_dY80Evhl03zKdDvPqD_Ap3t3RAFKkxoMfMKn9azqqEd4 mTXUY5iynpzy_Hn_LiqTWx44kgbgYo.ZffHJgqKD66BoekLmZUfok_oVtfZT Y71cYCtSskVfN0z.zs2FPaZJIa3Xh.GZOTGGV.2gDZZpHwR2JEwfufvw54e. ju6oOMNM104pZGwj70ZtR56ft95PfGya.8gobhpO5iIWgydsaPBJU9_qB5uB QWBgqKqXnFWgggeRHqRYB6XVN.huBWhvqsdn1kepYUO_4tR1jvjBkWSSXudO A1wk2d0vj3Tg2dXYrdV_vHav9ho6VcWcUEYjBN_8un2.QJBKdyYLBuO4VkgA EeTQkSjlPCFoPOiDbF42F1i1XStFdnJUfgtW5AIXzNAN6.8o5y0ghDuLfBUU 9VB3v68yg6sO5YSj_OEKkOfh0HIDyLZ.UvdODhHjyfSObjh7dDRS4eqP9N95 vxhU8m4NqS9MZMQlnv0.4hPAYUDs.OTBolDXUe25AjyzkNUzLoan7.244OHp TLuks8HBi_EnFvj_7.cA.Ww9iu0iB.jtXMw1BJf2BkzoeMGl7wlJudhFpyFt cOJgBbJ__tdDFs1VXxelate9qthA3peQHTiz0MUfahSQlG9UHYdn2joCjOGO DWBo5xwSJkzNRYBfvjvsE8QSOuNiYbEDisnaxpfibyP021.T3RzKqUGrwK6U KNTo2MDW8LgVICv.8wl5B.xUNHhfkdVlRre8YewwYuh29t0QjPV_2b2u.PZy 9vdJtJQh6nTwcErrqdxFHflD4hhmMoYk24.bT3ft0ekqMWfcetEIzXwhMkqa sDPLUeG.oSU8YogExDWeblbmKshXj8.YHUxEYo1DJwDSragCQKJ6b5OHQID0 KaCqLzny6lezqjVIpgpstFhvGdNxRGJP1HE36FTt27fKtjxtTNVooZudSeHj wlEGxtjGtGSq27BRd667r_8.iLyxC3YmOULyYv3PU9a9vkbbH4wjX41vHJwL P_jrYIYANXHK0PGY7FEa_gc9SQWTU1gB3lZ2nTw1l4oM8XNGE2xTDZeL4l44 TFphhC9_k.HEvPeoTH_9y4YK9LeajVVm_c5q3X3sbxlUgtEURnL.NG_0WIS5 DGxBTVfmued4Dlz4Z1Yq_9ft2KtP1JkVW_ShLddZeMoq_0V7AhCZKUktzHMj ufAyXBCwKm89szjRIFUkekAE9SC4gXEzZFbNKN2P60TuQ3gNnO8dIEQZ5Q8_ fgCfQI0Ydff5OWq_IccXRJpR6Rj1yJ3nLFbwVSOLhQYM5EpP_PAwuSVy4I_W x91I3fvk3x.w_viYdLLKd2eaokXVPV4mJyTilEWueWvBLAeoSOg3PdghYufM cDkGJAGG1VFz2vQijtBq59DpvMmuTA2b2JzkYieynm020dzt0h3.7pcf31Yu iE0_3i_st6VXRvsqJCo74oZamfGE_m9arGnIJ4WTPGtpUx5rvZMmCkFqkegS 3jHo4ndfn7wwLE9Xgg1BAVkKdP7Srl3YUcvfH5_nueRNmYm3eqoAJ67aiHsy fWteq30rdqQQab4eM682xFUbDxlAZC_rrr.cJ2JtOOSQiqigi9G5CA_5qCM6 FxFWlueZwHK0Ug9wZKoUTdvE3 X-Received: from [92.35.133.72] by web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:33:56 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:33:56 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=FcLkBiWmZ3HRKIhS9GrOMPyFH0ipibrQv71HBZcLxMI-kvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kevin, =C2=A0 nice to respond me and if we put a am generator in our comming am TX and in= crease the audio to 7-8 kHz, Eu standard is 4,5 kHz. and the power is 300/6= 00kw on 1179kHz, directional antenna pattern ,this will be a little better?= ? Search on Google for info of the tx=C2=A0 Solvesborg am 1179 kHz, am statio= n.=C2=A0 Lot of pic of the antenna, TX from -84. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 13 oktober 2011 12:35 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:32 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > i suppose the band 174 - 238 MHz is in service to analouge TV in the Stat= es. Other than a few Low Power stations, there are no more Analog TV Stations i= n the United States, but Digital TV is being broadcast in the VHF as well a= s UHF Spectrum. > Read something about that if AM stereo is in service to a am TX ,the audi= o even in mono will be better in a mono recover?? Yes, because AM Stereo requires less Phase Noise and Distortion in the tran= smitter and antenna system of the Broadcast Station. This will make any rad= io sound better. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 13 06:20:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52271 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 13:20:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 13:20:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f177.google.com) (209.85.161.177) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 13:20:47 -0000 X-Received: by ggnr4 with SMTP id r4so972079ggn.22 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:20:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.25.12 with SMTP id c12mr4375797ybj.85.1318512046446; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u13sm16241089anf.14.2011.10.13.06.20.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) In-Reply-To: <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:20:40 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=6YC5_79-9j-qEWct8hqEYtuLWFEWRSciNszeT_V0n3PAg_TkR4WlbonjQHfLjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > nice to respond me and if we put a am generator in our comming am TX and = increase the audio to 7-8 kHz, Eu standard is 4,5 kHz. and the power is 300= /600kw on 1179kHz, directional antenna pattern ,this will be a little bette= r?? Yes. Telefunken makes a fine transmitter that should sound great in Stereo. You = will have to contact them on how to connect the AM Stereo Generator. Becaus= e Telefunken is not sold in the US, I don't know the specifics on your tran= smitter off of the top of my head. Please do note that Telefunken changed t= heir name to Transradio and this is their web site:=20 http://www.broadcast-transradio.com/ The key to great sounding AM Stereo is to make sure your Antenna System and= Phaser is Broad-banded, and is symmetrical across the entire Channel you a= re using. In other words, the VSWR should be the same on both the Upper and= Lower Sideband. Since you are on 1179, I would try to get the tuning as fl= at as possible from 1169 KHz to 1189 KHz. Having low Phase Noise, Low Bounce, and a Broadband transmitter is very imp= ortant to AM Stereo, but that should not be a problem with a Modern PDM Tra= nsmitter. > Search on Google for info of the tx Solvesborg am 1179 kHz, am station. = Lot of pic of the antenna, TX from -84. That is a nice looking station you have! The stations I work for are much smaller then yours. I do 2 Non-Directional= 5 KW on 730 KHz and 810 KHz and 1 Non-Directional 1 KW on 1300 KHz. I used= to work at a couple 50 KW Stations, the largest allowed in the United Stat= es. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From gccradioscience@cox.net Thu Oct 13 07:45:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: gccradioscience@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99585 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 14:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 14:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO eastrmfepo101.cox.net) (68.230.241.213) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 14:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111013144554.TKVC32344.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:45:54 -0400 X-Received: from gccpctogosec1 ([24.253.157.139]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id kElt1h00e30kP2o02Eluu2; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:45:54 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4E96F9A2.0150,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oaIW6hvuqrvZuBstGxzMQDCn9/QU+BfQ2mb81G/9NAc= c=1 sm=1 a=lm4eusMn8AwA:10 a=9EhBqv_FhVwA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=gGtq6yyzYUwtuv0IU+UeGw==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=3awrkAy8AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=A7Wvaz8EAAAA:8 a=g0helTAJIkG-uViXiIIA:9 a=3AXFWg-4IOn1HV_yGcYA:7 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=svjKudSZzGkA:10 a=QUjiZYTNFrUA:10 a=foj04bxR66IA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=gGtq6yyzYUwtuv0IU+UeGw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) smtp.auth=gccradioscience@cox.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:45:43 -0400 Cc: "gccradioscience@cox.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Organization: GCC Radio Science Labs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.51 (Win32) X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111013-1, 10/13/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Adam Ebel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=343805099; y=zjefDvJpNa-4MBv0wIpP1hTA6QZaS717SC0yAmOYr9yBQjq7ADU1 X-Yahoo-Profile: electronicdx DAB+ would be a great idea, but the FCC would have to reallocate on=20=20 different frequencies in the unused spectrum space. HD radio on AM sucks, my local AM station broadcasting in HD is in mono sound, so = =20 the audio sounds like a 8 track tape. FM HD sounds very good much better than regular FM, so they got HD radio working perfectly = =20 on FM than they do on AM. HD on AM is a failure and a waste of money and bad for the US economy. AM stereo needs to come back = =20 and be used all over the world. Not to many manufactuers make portable = =20 boomboxes with AM HD, so I think since that is happening, HD AM will phase = =20 out completely due to poor sound and interference and AM stations will=20=20 move to HD-3 and HD-4 on the FM band. DSP technology is helping HD=20=20 radios become better tuners. Adam Ebel Virginia Beach, Virginia USA On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 02:12:25 -0400, Daniel Piccoli = =20 wrote: > Another AM/FM/DAB+ comparison here: > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=3D96045 > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Hi, >> i suppose the band 174 - 238 MHz is in service to analouge TV in the >> States. In europe digital Tv is in the UHF band and dab+ in the band = =20 >> lll =3D >> 174 - 238 MHz. >> The L-band 142 - 1492 MHz can be to dab+ in europe. >> Read something about that if AM stereo is in service to a am TX ,the = =20 >> audio >> even in mono will be better in a mono reciver?? >> >> Bests from >> Roy Sandgren >> HASDA-EUROPE >> AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >> >> ________________________________ >> Fr=E5n: John >> Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >> Skickat: onsdag, 12 oktober 2011 21:28 >> =C4mne: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA >> >> >> >> >> The NAB killed DAB (and DAB+) because a 50KW AM clear channel or a >> super-power FM at 150KW would have the same power as a 500W daytimer or = =20 >> a >> 100 watt FM translator - on DAB everybody has the same signal strength, = =20 >> so >> the NAB didn't want DAB, and shoved the not ready for primetime HD radio >> hybrid thru as everybody would start out even and level and programming >> would determine the winners and losers, not wattage and coverage. >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > --=20 Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Oct 13 08:17:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34156 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 15:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 15:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.187) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 15:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.212] by nm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 15:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.166] by tm5.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 15:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 15:17:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 867125.51684.bm@omp1007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 66818 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2011 15:17:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: x63NzVQVM1mhyEAEqnLaGbxn5zSRzuSJw9fvUAWuOfa1EhP 9l0OICmNBN8dM_KnD4sWHozeZXY_cKLUm7GkjGXyylcIckai5bb8oF1umkTm F81wI7nHAmVi7oPKQZZR7DjXre0eX_7FbbQ093oXNwlDC8yT.3Rf9BHZipex m4BHaMV.gvqms1dgf.6lmeHPiKlNFSgPe0eFUj3FLJRa08Y.Dbz_HF0fbFw3 mxi4ZJEcm4lnn9aykvXAGRUAFrhK6YsqAd9DvVJlM8FbJDYkia6LbbC4YEw7 gZmSyHqxqffzmcmanJAtWm0TpiQ9.0Q776sd6HgwF8kTSS6_UgqZr6D0VuHj XaYc2skFTh7z2KBu10tznNaIYBkGukWdmnao1DtmVmAi_tbxp4G7RksGhM2N U.mnGQZuAMuZ3ogKaqnj19Lc3OuMGC3wo0.il9EOLIXAL1OoC8EDPEVeKNgc UuyhR3vqQS5tQuT68qYW5v27MvBcrozRi.Gdr4qo.yzsGjC.uEkcIiYIGbrj YXmhgaQOiWOjxAGc1ZFdB2Dn7iDY5k72SOWd.xFsXMo0NndeHdPH6xiTMe3F vWgXk5nm.oUPN0xVf1ZUAPYR8AlWo4hivBeSqR8z1iXpBdexKhNEAHnHzt.2 NCZuOoE0RzDXS.xUdTq.pTAOQAi64IoD3XRzuz6WSxhVyBcYiXvD.EQTvx4r .sIbBiEVqVZrbfSlASKZ5P8p50m.plgMTtw-- X-Received: from [92.35.37.131] by web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:17:32 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1318519052.61450.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:17:32 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=75sD18KtWpFLNLYO02Znuz8D-esN-0ZQ9BWddxsrGPB1-6w X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We got dab+ all over europe, but the audio isn,t better than analouge broad= casting. digital radio cannot replace analouge broadcasting. Need better an= tennas, needs more repeters, crap audio, no dynamic, sounds plastic. It's an alternative to stations that didn't get any am/fm licence to contin= ue broadcasting... I got a DRM reciever in my car, a converter and DRM is great on SW if the f= ieldstrenght is powerful, =A0 Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=E5n: Adam Ebel Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Kopia: "gccradioscience@cox.net" Skickat: torsdag, 13 oktober 2011 16:45 =C4mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA DAB+ would be a great idea, but the FCC would have to reallocate on=A0=20 different frequencies in the unused spectrum space.=A0 HD radio on AM sucks, my local AM station broadcasting in HD is in mono sound, so=A0= =20 the audio sounds like a 8 track tape.=A0 FM HD sounds very good much better than regular FM, so they got HD radio working perfectly=A0= =20 on FM than they do on AM.=A0 =A0 HD on AM is a failure and a waste of money and bad for the US economy.=A0 AM stereo needs to come back= =A0=20 and be used all over the world.=A0 Not to many manufactuers make portable= =A0=20 boomboxes with AM HD, so I think since that is happening, HD AM will phase= =A0=20 out completely due to poor sound and interference and AM stations will=A0=20 move to HD-3 and HD-4 on the FM band.=A0 DSP technology is helping HD=A0=20 radios become better tuners. Adam Ebel Virginia Beach, Virginia=A0 USA On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 02:12:25 -0400, Daniel Piccoli = =A0=20 wrote: > Another AM/FM/DAB+ comparison here: > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=3D96045 > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Hi, >> i suppose the band 174 - 238 MHz is in service to analouge TV in the >> States. In europe digital Tv is in the UHF band and dab+ in the band=A0= =20 >> lll =3D >> 174 - 238 MHz. >> The L-band 142 - 1492 MHz can be to dab+ in europe. >> Read something about that if AM stereo is in service to a am TX ,the=A0= =20 >> audio >> even in mono will be better in a mono reciver?? >> >> Bests from >> Roy Sandgren >> HASDA-EUROPE >> AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >> >> ________________________________ >> Fr=E5n: John >> Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >> Skickat: onsdag, 12 oktober 2011 21:28 >> =C4mne: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA >> >> >> >> >> The NAB killed DAB (and DAB+) because a 50KW AM clear channel or a >> super-power FM at 150KW would have the same power as a 500W daytimer or= =A0=20 >> a >> 100 watt FM translator - on DAB everybody has the same signal strength,= =A0=20 >> so >> the NAB didn't want DAB, and shoved the not ready for primetime HD radio >> hybrid thru as everybody would start out even and level and programming >> would determine the winners and losers, not wattage and coverage. >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Daytime with a power of 50kW. The towers of 135m are well tuned to 1178 kHz= , the former frequency, then 1179 khz was the eu standard. Hope that our car radio factory can make am fm dab+ with am-stereo. it will= sound great,and an Optimod at the Tx. Attached is a PDF of the station in the 80-ties. radio sweden left behind a= year ago, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 13 oktober 2011 15:20 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > nice to respond me and if we put a am generator in our comming am TX and = increase the audio to 7-8 kHz, Eu standard is 4,5 kHz. and the power is 300= /600kw on 1179kHz, directional antenna pattern ,this will be a little bette= r?? Yes. Telefunken makes a fine transmitter that should sound great in Stereo. You = will have to contact them on how to connect the AM Stereo Generator. Becaus= e Telefunken is not sold in the US, I don't know the specifics on your tran= smitter off of the top of my head. Please do note that Telefunken changed t= heir name to Transradio and this is their web site:=20 http://www.broadcast-transradio.com/ The key to great sounding AM Stereo is to make sure your Antenna System and= Phaser is Broad-banded, and is symmetrical across the entire Channel you a= re using. In other words, the VSWR should be the same on both the Upper and= Lower Sideband. Since you are on 1179, I would try to get the tuning as fl= at as possible from 1169 KHz to 1189 KHz. Having low Phase Noise, Low Bounce, and a Broadband transmitter is very imp= ortant to AM Stereo, but that should not be a problem with a Modern PDM Tra= nsmitter. > Search on Google for info of the tx Solvesborg am 1179 kHz, am station. = Lot of pic of the antenna, TX from -84. That is a nice looking station you have! The stations I work for are much smaller then yours. I do 2 Non-Directional= 5 KW on 730 KHz and 810 KHz and 1 Non-Directional 1 KW on 1300 KHz. I used= to work at a couple 50 KW Stations, the largest allowed in the United Stat= es. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:29:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43508 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 16:29:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 16:29:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.213.47) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 16:29:20 -0000 X-Received: by ywf7 with SMTP id 7so1345657ywf.6 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:29:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.60.1 with SMTP id i1mr5183462yba.99.1318523359653; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m37sm889641anq.11.2011.10.13.09.29.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:29:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1318519718.28465.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318519718.28465.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=xlesYnMb9iq9R3gmK_R8BU3eANy9ET77yErTiU3OPuVZF_cHq0xN3bSit4TglA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > this Tx is watercooled and we intend to use high power after sunset leasing out airtime towards europe. I think Water Cooled Transmitters are fun to operate without all of that blower noise. :-) > Daytime with a power of 50kW. The towers of 135m are well tuned to 1178 kHz, the former frequency, then 1179 khz > was the eu standard. Great. > Hope that our car radio factory can make am fm dab+ with am-stereo. it will sound great,and an Optimod at the Tx. I *THINK* Both Sony and Phillips makes AM Stereo Car Radios, but they are not sold in the US. > Attached is a PDF of the station in the 80-ties. radio sweden left behind a year ago, The yahoo list does not allow attachments, but I would Love to see the pdf. Could you please email it directly to: kj4hyd@gmail.com Thanks. I used to enjoy Radio Sweden on Shortwave here. That is an interesting station. Too Bad Budget cuts have ruined them. :-( 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:45:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82601 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 16:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 16:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f45.google.com) (209.85.216.45) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 16:45:59 -0000 X-Received: by qadb10 with SMTP id b10so267947qad.18 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.195.201 with SMTP id ed9mr3717142qab.96.1318524358028; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hn8sm8070851qab.2.2011.10.13.09.45.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) In-Reply-To: <1318519052.61450.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:45:53 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <21173DCB-3202-4B6E-96D3-A6F258262F25@gmail.com> References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1318519052.61450.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=tKQ2ctmX0fHh4dxgu59W3zePc7-VDCnWisAhQBvzHgwfoF0s7aO54pmg4NrHXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > We got dab+ all over europe, but the audio isn,t better than analouge bro= adcasting. digital radio cannot replace analouge broadcasting. Need better = antennas, needs more repeters, crap audio, no dynamic, sounds plastic. From what I have heard DAB+ Sounds decent when it is not Data Compressed, b= ut they compress the data trying to squeeze more Audio Channels on the same= transmitters, making all of them sound Awful. They do the same thing in th= e United States with HD-Radio on FM. It actually sounds decent when the sta= tion is just running their main channel audio on HD, but when they split it= into 3 different channels, it also sounds awful. > I got a DRM reciever in my car, a converter and DRM is great on SW if the= fieldstrenght is powerful, Yes DRM on Shortwave and MediumWave sounds much better then the American HD= -Radio on AM. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Oct 13 11:30:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86694 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 18:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 18:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.186) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 18:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.214] by nm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 18:30:36 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.169] by tm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 18:30:36 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 18:30:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 743267.40724.bm@omp1010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83677 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2011 18:30:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: btyyIeEVM1nxjGhngda5ZCltFnaRfJGZ.oY2OYPRc2.gEty 3Ug_m1BP7B0xZi4XIBBX.ajiSwjjKcIF00n1A.nPYMOmWXAMHsNDlc76RW40 WrAtNBoLd.NTOMuXNQF5Eq_oW8lWRHtgOHUy52VSlV9AICIH3TziV9PUdrQf CqoHCTc0DmDAdLOKLwcXLveSoO6v2csO4LerRm9eAEy342121u0kqyZbnieF yWHLhnL6IRe0j5NUovChU0WH35JRS_RSnYa.nadWbwqSOuqdWZ9lkvthK56p 62d0IGL4RrdmHhnrdZRpNv3HFdemAFvNnWz.JGbw6xJMUjOaN8wDyKKVtBzE GrDXD.ojRhsKGn8I1ATVzH6Njg9IOgSu8Kn4qFiyorkEF4IXhD1O9CpmkjeY 3GEwmtyPBTajh5OTGv1jsjVszP.ahQbkU8.XYFaXxsYnH5vRFDQrLprpk95Y eg1gtVGdSV17zY83hDbGlbixk1CxCG4KfW9lV5Zr6xu20KFrNKaKvK.0MXgk BaxBeViO.kekZC2GLlrew57MQDP8DTEaMVC1xmtSGoio8DrSL0MTgz8DNst3 znwwqR53PGLYqDobTrbSgDbLwCYZIEDsDpMCf3zKb04LYMmQv5kMBS8s.8a. 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Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 13 oktober 2011 18:45 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > We got dab+ all over europe, but the audio isn,t better than analouge bro= adcasting. digital radio cannot replace analouge broadcasting. Need better = antennas, needs more repeters, crap audio, no dynamic, sounds plastic. From what I have heard DAB+ Sounds decent when it is not Data Compressed, b= ut they compress the data trying to squeeze more Audio Channels on the same= transmitters, making all of them sound Awful. They do the same thing in th= e United States with HD-Radio on FM. It actually sounds decent when the sta= tion is just running their main channel audio on HD, but when they split it= into 3 different channels, it also sounds awful. > I got a DRM reciever in my car, a converter and DRM is great on SW if the= fieldstrenght is powerful, Yes DRM on Shortwave and MediumWave sounds much better then the American HD= -Radio on AM. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 12:30:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17296 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 19:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 19:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 19:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 19:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 19:30:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:30:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1318495344.57284.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.16 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Obxj-hOZ39ActN7i2BZvePZno64aeQ_X1mnvWnhHLypCxJ9GJA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! LEAVE DIGITAL AUDIO INTO THE STUDIO AND LEAVE THE ANALOG AM STEREO ON THE A= IR!!!!!!! SOMEBODY SAYS: "AMEN"? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > However in facto, > your voice is analouge, your ears are analouge, everything your hear is a= nalouge???? >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=E5n: Daniel Piccoli > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: torsdag, 13 oktober 2011 8:12 > =C4mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA >=20 > Another AM/FM/DAB+ comparison here: > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=3D96045 >=20 > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Hi, > > i suppose the band 174 - 238 MHz is in service to analouge TV in the > > States. In europe digital Tv is in the UHF band and dab+ in the band ll= l =3D > > 174 - 238 MHz. > > The L-band 142 - 1492 MHz can be to dab+ in europe. > > Read something about that if AM stereo is in service to a am TX ,the au= dio > > even in mono will be better in a mono reciver?? > > > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > HASDA-EUROPE > > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > > > > ________________________________ > > Fr=E5n: John > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: onsdag, 12 oktober 2011 21:28 > > =C4mne: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA > > > > > > > > > > The NAB killed DAB (and DAB+) because a 50KW AM clear channel or a > > super-power FM at 150KW would have the same power as a 500W daytimer or= a > > 100 watt FM translator - on DAB everybody has the same signal strength,= so > > the NAB didn't want DAB, and shoved the not ready for primetime HD radi= o > > hybrid thru as everybody would start out even and level and programming > > would determine the winners and losers, not wattage and coverage. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=A0=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 12:37:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8008 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 19:37:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 19:37:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 19:37:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 19:37:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2011 19:37:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:37:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1318530636.83104.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.16 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jRQKOhH8hfFs1_VehnaZxdY3sABShR556GkldzR69DkrI4_VJg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 If the speed you are talking about is the compression rate, I don't agree. = Any rate below 196 kbps sounds bad (if you have your ears clean with good l= oudspeaker boxes). BTW: I'm not absolutely sure if the compression rate was the only one reaso= n to a digital radio system sounds bad. What about the path loss?? I mean, = a lot of data will be "eaten" by the atmospheric noise specially, the worst= , at the typical electric storms. If we could use a very wide FM channel (m= ore than 150 kHz width) with only one digital audio stream (not data compre= ssion), it would be perfect. But... Where is that paradise? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Kevin, > the best speed is about 80kb/s and to much speed to much buffering. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: torsdag, 13 oktober 2011 18:45 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > We got dab+ all over europe, but the audio isn,t better than analouge b= roadcasting. digital radio cannot replace analouge broadcasting. Need bette= r antennas, needs more repeters, crap audio, no dynamic, sounds plastic. >=20 > From what I have heard DAB+ Sounds decent when it is not Data Compressed,= but they compress the data trying to squeeze more Audio Channels on the sa= me transmitters, making all of them sound Awful. They do the same thing in = the United States with HD-Radio on FM. It actually sounds decent when the s= tation is just running their main channel audio on HD, but when they split = it into 3 different channels, it also sounds awful. >=20 > > I got a DRM reciever in my car, a converter and DRM is great on SW if t= he fieldstrenght is powerful, >=20 > Yes DRM on Shortwave and MediumWave sounds much better then the American = HD-Radio on AM. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 13 20:26:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39398 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2011 03:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2011 03:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f179.google.com) (209.85.213.179) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2011 03:26:17 -0000 X-Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35so389414yxn.38 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.129.141 with SMTP id h13mr8892016yhi.120.1318562777477; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm5533076anv.9.2011.10.13.20.26.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:26:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <4F559117-34AF-461C-ABD8-BDF7B7CEEC51@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=y5zPzJzsq_gWPTpKFbOgRfFmnNwGttoTd_uev351fwmkD7Mk3q92QxriFW35Ow X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Jota wrote: > BTW: I'm not absolutely sure if the compression rate was the only one reason to a digital radio system sounds bad. What about the path loss?? I mean, a lot of data will be "eaten" by the atmospheric noise specially, the worst, at the typical electric storms. There is a little Error Correction in HD-Radio, but almost any noise will make it drop out completely. > If we could use a very wide FM channel (more than 150 kHz width) with only one digital audio stream (not data compression), it would be perfect. But... Where is that paradise? ??? With the Spectrum hogs stealing TVs spectrum now, that ain't gonna happen. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 13 20:28:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40116 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2011 03:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2011 03:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f177.google.com) (209.85.160.177) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2011 03:28:00 -0000 X-Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so874708gyd.22 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:28:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.131.8 with SMTP id e8mr6863548ybd.73.1318562880266; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm603158ans.1.2011.10.13.20.27.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:27:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <0AC8C3D7-FE22-4DA4-B1FD-BAB492747860@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=plIgfmKzAlvTLpCgD_JN2FnR3XdssVye5GVe2lx29SM-UZbwLrNwyVKQbVa2ZA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Jota wrote: > LEAVE DIGITAL AUDIO INTO THE STUDIO AND LEAVE THE ANALOG AM STEREO ON THE AIR!!!!!!! > > SOMEBODY SAYS: "AMEN"? ??? Preach it, Jaun, I am in your Amen Corner! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Oct 14 00:47:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85566 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2011 07:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2011 07:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.193) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2011 07:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.213] by nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2011 07:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.61] by tm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2011 07:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2011 07:47:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 887761.92477.bm@omp1030.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 79043 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2011 07:47:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Qs_ONjMVM1lWbfPa1dWSEmmBURweRRU6bSHdHCo.xwBx6xO 0bDZ0DLgfmyGXth0DlhaHfF3nX.NzV6W6cDMVMlVL9kLp3mPdb.Q207ENbtj UsOg3lrBGxajTSSdE3GdZVi4eole0_nGGNKR8B8tq1snwqOQodi8mVrV_Xqu w5DGRGT9HtcsBnWHP0hwukK2cL1zK12TnqTnlaFlJ4RXLHH83_vxCVKjdd2H RIn64cJLwXi7FaAHGPLueleTb_6R3ZhP0AOQ8aX369rxkpjnJ7DkcKmWbo7z FLQCBlzutM2P4GRdw.5uwLipK1FBZuUlbe1AR_.K5djSqou6c6tri2Djczzg YhlUV0yae0s8ykrdJiAK._L2cqMJJ_gLHKcp.Xdv0AmdVX.DyUrWtEPQ85Vk eWR475W5_NlkBRwfiYHyCCZwzIA5OEM5RbewGK0IVSTkDzeVTPoVYbBcNLLW E7lQO11cOLUylBlgUFgQ.4F_gMw6Dy05LZDW9_hsJyYpk2XcndNGq8Y5H9XE Udzq7Mdaray1tXsM3z2Y9UBXovR6tpcroNiRNniDoFOBAXyfrwyVYb11aMeV 1N0XXOQayZ1D857NgAnP3zqPIXR215c9D.ZoMrLzBxTIPWDTnvCYRRiRgxbi yeEpQIkyhfY6LFAaJG5wFPSQkIxaoaXe.HN9iosr6JAEC_hgZk2Cv.yCL8PR HnWVtuIZROH8aGnf2qEgFCJvnXknwgPKTD_0RSURwVEjcsMAFj.8O1ZAeCoa 3TVRgs.a0ySGGUfM5ivH_a1evWohoKsGJpQXI5Xm18RIRcch963P5bDRXD11 fcdv9gVI_L3ouHEUiNDFCcSXiAHzvI9yA6VZxVd.fofcIFH7r7jy2yPiYF_j W_1x0FrBiD_t9bsextbBcj3XyPnRoMbbgzxi3X5XBCCGynvWUzmJ3QULVuQU yJwsOMQTjPgEP1wvnmM7BagyGrCsBRVP4u7dhEX_qRVg4ci6HbqUdLkW.8Do tkatr3KrYPOYp63l2poieyOAztqwgmMSwOvjJaGZRqk4vtJM9Hfg14G.Z5RY PzXcklDBxzzumXGDH2WhjtRBGNy4fTyZ0k.tJpQHF1gIL7vPQBw1d7BB9bIS s5Ai0Rwf6If1qA.VY3lJzYDWC1OWxExH08bdju361TfHm27jy_vHi1BmM25e PW8MNOK.vwuE9O2h2mXn8cWJWvtA9wqJ0HNJyvZFYnS5QUH5uXBXXfoGMPuy Ove8hgOmqatyIUcwL_J57c41GdXM2iVC8an0mkcH.nmiUW_cAxqNEVcaLU7F ve5eMAUGAdnD9sye9FssGXmtT8tRLSmyJpOjobxoA1IIV6WhyxQOeum_YMmm Hp4Lv4IFnunxQDqpyd8cXH0v0SwwbSP0f8Oo09UW6_oM4pXUsuZt0vuo2WQF tCJ0DP1JafiCzJZdHIBYcTq2fKwaDI8geeyYOHU_JxRj3VWZEGlfUqfQ049o QDMmy1QbGGCFPY88md265AoCHpXKPaPW.UdSW.PgbhSmrvskLjg7OvXQW8PX 9cbbY0Z.2rAApHp2Vs0MjUfVoKm9Bpl0snpCOpdOlxvx7TXvEF3QISVCgr2E urgB1YM7QJoWeImHtpe0sbDl1qgTJ0bKjsidB03oZCflwqZkmBjmnyCo5bB6 Y3zhmFIV6.q.KiBUcPSvChTPU5R9Vu2hLfUUYRTVpCdgvFzgMLILy5wrgNai faOMbGHYjdLKnJoVAqHWIKN8zMYav9iPXEYOAnjAeklcmeqytWQYmhA9JGXF ZivUv6NXAcIoy3._NbG6Pq52246J0HlNkfTN_W8IYyQIvyC1ZbWFathCg0dh liUMeJZKxCrFtd3Hs1P5t3GhvgTa1gymf6SovTsIC30A_qqCHrTPMuksTFn7 JdLA_3S4qqzcXRpzztZkd3WX7_s3WMVQe_48i7BPYRXcIcOfAoloc9U97Ya9 4FUhkxwRavRLpuR3ssQ1Fyc1AsiyIP.9vMNIk02DTzu0Rionqkn4Qmn1LC2w J7jSuCn_cCYx8XyUKYOigK.genVa.XBawcXhXPHExmcfJp32hjREmpjgLvqf Dqe8RoM0cLIGuJN9WY5Ud.LUg X-Received: from [92.35.15.233] by web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:47:16 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318530636.83104.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1318578436.74329.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:47:16 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=Yv1IThI0hUU4TjIjxHtAOQ_D60bPIOoyb_a_r_cCtQlEyxY X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I mean 80kb/s in dabplus=C2=A0=3D 160 in dab. In europe a lot of lobbyists, lobbing for a date of switch off=C2=A0 of=C2= =A0am/fm broadcasts. DAB ony in the air. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Jota Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 13 oktober 2011 21:37 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 If the speed you are talking about is the compression rate, I don't agree. = Any rate below 196 kbps sounds bad (if you have your ears clean with good l= oudspeaker boxes). BTW: I'm not absolutely sure if the compression rate was the only one reaso= n to a digital radio system sounds bad. What about the path loss?? I mean, = a lot of data will be "eaten" by the atmospheric noise specially, the worst= , at the typical electric storms. If we could use a very wide FM channel (m= ore than 150 kHz width) with only one digital audio stream (not data compre= ssion), it would be perfect. But... Where is that paradise? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Kevin, > the best speed is about 80kb/s and to much speed to much buffering. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: torsdag, 13 oktober 2011 18:45 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 >=20 >=20 > On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > We got dab+ all over europe, but the audio isn,t better than analouge b= roadcasting. digital radio cannot replace analouge broadcasting. Need bette= r antennas, needs more repeters, crap audio, no dynamic, sounds plastic. >=20 > From what I have heard DAB+ Sounds decent when it is not Data Compressed,= but they compress the data trying to squeeze more Audio Channels on the sa= me transmitters, making all of them sound Awful. They do the same thing in = the United States with HD-Radio on FM. It actually sounds decent when the s= tation is just running their main channel audio on HD, but when they split = it into 3 different channels, it also sounds awful. >=20 > > I got a DRM reciever in my car, a converter and DRM is great on SW if t= he fieldstrenght is powerful, >=20 > Yes DRM on Shortwave and MediumWave sounds much better then the American = HD-Radio on AM. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 14 04:50:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8133 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2011 11:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2011 11:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.236.25) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2011 11:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2011 11:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.57] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2011 11:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2011 11:50:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 87261.72389.bm@smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 5OekB9kVM1kQc6o7eDbS.9k7AbmWClFzKO8ZsBVAMOQ4itK cjWfug4tKVr2tbLOXZo1GlmOy_HH1hrak9U0.DYUua0V9DG4jDIHlvP0zY46 zJNkfH1DxR84O3wqaH3NsHvZT6ABhTztTq5IRavJelCFqZ.Bd__nYpnqpKEq fgL3I31iaCEj7I0fIo8o8_L8o1aA_.mRem5fZsqcMqagEdRN5CxqmsX7FNoJ THuOwqHNDchz0CM_BtWBuinxhtufFOlZVcJgRHc0_CoCcJk9bLE5gMxs2WDF bdx2iPiCwNCWLby5RApeu8FX9ons7DXBONVyUvta0DLSXFS9lLGeiZFKN_7c SDIxEUTpCTDcozGKOOVW2PQAcMlNHw5CteJUXGXr.Gi5vIYXvgWnYga5cYSJ SlFXkBbRwV0L1JUQ.mDzlD8jPUoJ.52M3MbeFP_tm_K.4AAIrMQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@71.155.148.183 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2011 04:49:59 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <70331B83995048FF90AB8AEA2C779F85@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 04:49:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.236.25 From: "jim smith" Subject: Why the ad banners? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=m0HU7V7anBHAF1WtUgWonLQHaBu_MUn9rC9hsTxfVI7Ju-KmlDwyfKnvjN6vtQicBK10sgVU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Whats with these ad banners showing up on the forum? I can't aford a new Chevy blasser. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 14 05:54:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26457 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2011 12:54:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2011 12:54:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f44.google.com) (209.85.213.44) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0000 X-Received: by ywm3 with SMTP id 3so3154063ywm.17 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:54:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.77.72 with SMTP id c48mr11374507yhe.55.1318596853528; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w70sm4602126yhk.6.2011.10.14.05.54.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <70331B83995048FF90AB8AEA2C779F85@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:54:07 -0400 Message-Id: <5A48D37D-F9E5-4D71-A3EF-90C201410FFD@gmail.com> References: <70331B83995048FF90AB8AEA2C779F85@jim3slp85ju21o> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why the ad banners? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=JVhcIQ8ghsicv1zvPA_dB_yvzAtNAnyU24xjHb5XOTzcl1yNwq4BLZUMSdDAJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Oct 14, 2011, at 7:49 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang Whats with these ad banners showing up on the forum? It is one of the last desperate acts of a dying company to raise enough mon= ey to stay alive. Yahoo has had their asses handed to them by Google and now they are trying = to keep the lights on and from being eaten by a bigger company. I understan= d Microsoft is looking at buying Yahoo. God Help us all=85 I miss my Onelist. YOu know the company that started these Groups before Eg= roups bought them, then Yahoo bought Egroups. At least with Onelist, there = were no technical problems. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 14 06:14:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33969 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2011 13:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2011 13:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f44.google.com) (209.85.216.44) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2011 13:14:08 -0000 X-Received: by qadb12 with SMTP id b12so1231243qad.17 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 06:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.210.130 with SMTP id gk2mr7092854qab.23.1318598047743; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 06:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8sm11780356qap.15.2011.10.14.06.14.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Oct 2011 06:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:14:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=GSpa_yQNP-ZHzewrGrk5ExZyCnYWc4u4klsG1pejumaIilnT0tOjUze4Xmxzng X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Jota wrote: > Well, if someone knows the melody, please let me know the name and the artist. Was it Floyd Cramer's "Last Date" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvfG9uFswis 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Go= od ol=C2=B4days, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: fredag, 14 oktober 2011 15:14 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Jota wrote: > Well, if someone knows the melody, please let me know the name and the ar= tist. Was it Floyd Cramer's "Last Date" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJvfG9uFswis 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 14 07:52:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96976 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2011 14:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2011 14:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vx0-f181.google.com) (209.85.220.181) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2011 14:52:00 -0000 X-Received: by vcbfk14 with SMTP id fk14so1215292vcb.12 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:51:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.26.48 with SMTP id i16mr8888925vdg.116.1318603919373; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ha1sm7869832vdb.17.2011.10.14.07.51.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:51:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1318601944.75056.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318601944.75056.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=SY4_WXdKM8Mw78v9B-ONiFW3R8deVIX2M3mqu4XMIIVJh7eFeINh7VzA36GJiw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > correct, it reminds me of the off-shore radio on the open sea in europe. = Good ol=B4days, Been There, Done That, and I DO have the T-Shirt & Hat to prove it! :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 14 08:14:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48017 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2011 15:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2011 15:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f52.google.com) (209.85.213.52) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2011 15:14:26 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yw0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 14so1253811ywm.39 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.93.15 with SMTP id v15mr9425510ybl.55.1318605266481; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm6933586anz.16.2011.10.14.08.14.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) In-Reply-To: <1318601944.75056.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:14:21 -0400 Message-Id: References: <1318601944.75056.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=PuSsMEFD7PqZq0IIS6_SFwgcJmxejXuai0zxhAS2yM-D8monfaPuLCbL3FrBAA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > it reminds me of the off-shore radio on the open sea in europe. Good ol= =B4days, That was FUN! I still got a Bumper Sticker too! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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When we get the new TRAM TX of= 50kW's we intend to do am stereo tests and we need some recievers too. Nee= d wider audio up to 9 kHz and it will sounds like FM. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Roy Sandgren Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Skickat: fredag, 14 oktober 2011 16:19 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics Hi, correct, it reminds me of the off-shore radio on the open sea in europe. Go= od ol=C2=B4days, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: fredag, 14 oktober 2011 15:14 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Jota wrote: > Well, if someone knows the melody, please let me know the name and the ar= tist. Was it Floyd Cramer's "Last Date" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJvfG9uFswis 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Oct 15 05:33:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81119 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2011 12:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2011 12:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f171.google.com) (209.85.160.171) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2011 12:33:05 -0000 X-Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so2689655gyg.16 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.187.70 with SMTP id x46mr17564758yhm.71.1318681985228; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u45sm9331931yhh.8.2011.10.15.05.33.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 15 Oct 2011 05:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:33:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1318681458.51889.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318601944.75056.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1318681458.51889.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9B0EFBBA-D1A2-4ECA-8F99-6FD7CA41D09C@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=U9HSZmMUwJNc6ecZ_MWEGi2Y8SVyxtygASY2fgG6-4Mge2iIHYlgC3EDM5kxOw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 15, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > noted that HASDA got an am-stereo car radio. Do you have a Link to a web site on that radio? > When we get the new TRAM TX of 50kW's we intend to do am stereo tests and we need some recievers too. Need wider audio up to 9 kHz and it will sounds like FM. That will sound nice, but in my opinion, AM Stereo sounds much better then FM. With AM Stereo, you don't get the Multipath Distortion and "Picket Fencing" you do on FM. Also, The Stereo separation does not go away as the signal gets weaker like on FM. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:52:15 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318601944.75056.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1318681458.51889.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9B0EFBBA-D1A2-4ECA-8F99-6FD7CA41D09C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1318683135.74210.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:52:15 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <9B0EFBBA-D1A2-4ECA-8F99-6FD7CA41D09C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=QKLMb_UJ40VKUIFjRs0UXa-BEVaWsa5K4zSNk6XRFmoKaug X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =C2=A0 just mailed HASDA for more info, but exept from USA, wich countries are bro= adcasting in am stereo?? =C2=A0 can you pic up 6095 kHz in USA from 0900-1800 UTC=C2=A0 100 kW=C2=A0 www.bc= bradio.eu=C2=A0=C2=A0 I do tune in in my car radio all over europe. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:33 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 15, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > noted that HASDA got an am-stereo car radio. Do you have a Link to a web site on that radio? > When we get the new TRAM TX of 50kW's we intend to do am stereo tests and= we need some recievers too. Need wider audio up to 9 kHz and it will sound= s like FM. That will sound nice, but in my opinion, AM Stereo sounds much better then = FM. With AM Stereo, you don't get the Multipath Distortion and "Picket Fenc= ing" you do on FM. Also, The Stereo separation does not go away as the sign= al gets weaker like on FM. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Sat Oct 15 05:53:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91357 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2011 12:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2011 12:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.230) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2011 12:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.212] by nm4.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2011 12:53:45 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.179] by tm5.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2011 12:53:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2011 12:53:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 763584.49585.bm@omp1020.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 46728 invoked by uid 60001); 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Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Roy Sandgren Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:52 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi, =C2=A0 just mailed HASDA for more info, but exept from USA, wich countries are bro= adcasting in am stereo?? =C2=A0 can you pic up 6095 kHz in USA from 0900-1800 UTC=C2=A0 100 kW=C2=A0 www.bc= bradio.eu=C2=A0=C2=A0 I do tune in in my car radio all over europe. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:33 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics =C2=A0=20 On Oct 15, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > noted that HASDA got an am-stereo car radio. Do you have a Link to a web site on that radio? > When we get the new TRAM TX of 50kW's we intend to do am stereo tests and= we need some recievers too. Need wider audio up to 9 kHz and it will sound= s like FM. That will sound nice, but in my opinion, AM Stereo sounds much better then = FM. With AM Stereo, you don't get the Multipath Distortion and "Picket Fenc= ing" you do on FM. Also, The Stereo separation does not go away as the sign= al gets weaker like on FM. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:30:19 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318601944.75056.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1318681458.51889.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9B0EFBBA-D1A2-4ECA-8F99-6FD7CA41D09C@gmail.com> <1318683135.74210.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1318683225.32631.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1318779019.67549.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:30:19 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <1318683225.32631.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.177.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=b_0Qk3CBndWLnJCgG0pqPdxcWI1ryy3-M7KdXRh_aa5nPz4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =C2=A0 need an am stereo car radio with 9 khz spacing for low power tests of 4,5. = 7 and 12 khz transmitter stereo. Any ideas??? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Roy Sandgren Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:53 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 www.kcbradio.eu=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 correct address. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Roy Sandgren Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:52 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics =C2=A0=20 Hi, =C2=A0 just mailed HASDA for more info, but exept from USA, wich countries are bro= adcasting in am stereo?? =C2=A0 can you pic up 6095 kHz in USA from 0900-1800 UTC=C2=A0 100 kW=C2=A0 www.bc= bradio.eu=C2=A0=C2=A0 I do tune in in my car radio all over europe. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:33 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics =C2=A0=20 On Oct 15, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > noted that HASDA got an am-stereo car radio. Do you have a Link to a web site on that radio? > When we get the new TRAM TX of 50kW's we intend to do am stereo tests and= we need some recievers too. Need wider audio up to 9 kHz and it will sound= s like FM. That will sound nice, but in my opinion, AM Stereo sounds much better then = FM. With AM Stereo, you don't get the Multipath Distortion and "Picket Fenc= ing" you do on FM. Also, The Stereo separation does not go away as the sign= al gets weaker like on FM. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 16 13:06:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37664 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2011 20:06:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2011 20:06:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.18) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2011 20:06:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2011 20:06:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2011 20:06:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2011 20:06:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:06:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1318779019.67549.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=NMLe5YKi1jU3liBlx-1Czfu9b25yv8VqWyjflpw8CGxX3jsl8YUqYoc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wasn't there a way to screw-up a late 80's Chrysler radio so that it went i= nto 9KHz spacing? I know the Sony tuners have a way to do it by holding down a button during = 'power on'. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi, > =C2=A0 > need an am stereo car radio with 9 khz spacing for low power tests of 4,5= . 7 and 12 khz transmitter stereo. > Any ideas??? >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: Roy Sandgren > Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" > Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:53 > =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 > www.kcbradio.eu=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 correct address. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: Roy Sandgren > Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" > Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:52 > =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics >=20 > =C2=A0=20 >=20 > Hi, > =C2=A0 > just mailed HASDA for more info, but exept from USA, wich countries are b= roadcasting in am stereo?? > =C2=A0 > can you pic up 6095 kHz in USA from 0900-1800 UTC=C2=A0 100 kW=C2=A0 www.= bcbradio.eu=C2=A0=C2=A0 I do tune in in my car radio all over europe. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:33 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics >=20 > =C2=A0=20 >=20 > On Oct 15, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > noted that HASDA got an am-stereo car radio. >=20 > Do you have a Link to a web site on that radio? >=20 > > When we get the new TRAM TX of 50kW's we intend to do am stereo tests a= nd we need some recievers too. Need wider audio up to 9 kHz and it will sou= nds like FM. >=20 > That will sound nice, but in my opinion, AM Stereo sounds much better the= n FM. With AM Stereo, you don't get the Multipath Distortion and "Picket Fe= ncing" you do on FM. Also, The Stereo separation does not go away as the si= gnal gets weaker like on FM. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 16 20:01:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80536 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2011 03:01:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2011 03:01:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2011 03:01:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 03:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 03:00:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:00:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1318683135.74210.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=fxBzM8tKjSKeRTzFHiA3ZJeA3vBVq7V9tHgsQRe15gBbdCI9EndWSzE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Roy, Several AM stations in Canada broadcast in stereo AM, many with a music/ful= l service format too. J --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi, > =C2=A0 > just mailed HASDA for more info, but exept from USA, wich countries are b= roadcasting in am stereo?? > From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Oct 17 03:28:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96876 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2011 10:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2011 10:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm11.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.185) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2011 10:28:46 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.214] by nm11.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 10:28:45 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.34] by tm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 10:28:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 10:28:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 623306.85843.bm@omp1023.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 30950 invoked by uid 60001); 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Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:28:45 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318683135.74210.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1318847325.23677.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:28:45 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=bF7muf0zgxQeDGQ2RRH7S_XB4a-lvxzaEH_D7V7huFI-tTk X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =C2=A0 found a list all over the world. More countries than US and Canada in am st= ereo, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 17 oktober 2011 5:00 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo Broadcasting =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Roy, Several AM stations in Canada broadcast in stereo AM, many with a music/ful= l service format too. J --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi, > =C3=82=C2=A0 > just mailed HASDA for more info, but exept from USA, wich countries are b= roadcasting in am stereo?? > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Oct 17 03:32:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2787 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2011 10:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m12.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2011 10:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.177.100) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2011 10:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.183] by nm23.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 10:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.169] by tm14.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 10:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 10:31:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 503502.67308.bm@omp1010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75674 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2011 10:31:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BAXSpvsVM1k4LOsKugW0pzTuKBQBQJE1ir2ZuE9VMpt8FB2 _fz4L6kJcgXZre70PVzbnVEqK21yXnIsE.FPw6TUlDFJAoKGyp2sFYeTr3sY xK6S7mL_pkZ1NyI0N0MfPToZ6oP6Cpx23JQzYcxekTuzARBWK5APwXnktIP9 aSbXwnMa8SC7aUbilNbUtTYg2bZjql_vsj.QFAcIs8w9HAiRsY.N44UgLnRy 9hO.0q2LrL5JqgkqsP9bSDhR.eg3Edv4sTYM6MRgOBogAEr.7HGgAI8Xfpu8 F4MBHbJydJKuW2ln3428PXwwe7VsLTCbku0kwz6bRClX1A8GFl9zUbuuJ0RZ jlL9GorPhj6ITB.igD2FdGXuSxyp1XvR_b2TYCNzphg70vQsMwMrhSgzq_tN C7gcUBxZqskzeqJvC3FolT5XWFRf1DSWzTHz3pWm8iL9v1hsrTanYa75Iddp Dw8AJ621jSEphN8hQrfXA72.csu9L5Rtvm1HY6iKOkRi0l8.3Temuy54Ars2 B6o5LvceUcnV7MG46jWeraGy8SpiKf9Ze_x7.CnUqsh2CwiiTNIJ48qReP1y 5K5blOomqqfiOuTygZ4iokjDmNF_SV2RYzD3Ep72FUWDlZROJkVYoRWlemkt YG77JlqhnCwsU.VyrHASthRxuHSIOYD4VEFVFW9PlBY0bq1sDxZ5ug3DIbcD 78Axpv0Nha7VBkV82bHQTsHVKtZiMjInOAH8ByV9.aM.o51zrWE2PM3XaauJ 2KipFX6Esn7Ba8hhYd9eaDbxyMSf1el.UOK74ZjwerKcRZX5nmXoo1OyHrIA 2dYiRB4fOtSh5Y_nQhRNgogDgdpRDPkajuKxyqq6YQSUtbykhDQg0JqOUG0y _tI5nJT6yaKcWiL66dPOV3H.Wwuw57wNpVpYMLbIxuVCvB.SCGOuNzNjaZzz GskEVTxXDwhOFev1a4SqvB2zCr7k6IputHOQE90XGlWcGwEWeNW8K0DMgfS7 K8tKF7OkvrbhtM61fAn.AWB7hwPY5NK.JeYmKiXNE_eq1jNzsio96wzhhKnq wcWdn6Zh4.gFsuV5a9PTRZV4mpezpB6i0aj91QWjPrqhGlUv2XaVUA3jyY4C Lx9L7wAve2PWzlMG5fXTkdN_IsQTIaLe6GEdGzb7zUGNLZVlQfHBW4qs8kbL bEA1dhYzFsp9D2hMkWuygBjisKWbraNooWxsNK7fleEMPtU.nsOw2K8R6iEE ttuvEBq0mXRC.QNjKD4G9EdT3NesgsEeUUn5UG0e.odRltkHFMKb8ygtYcSm HcTnim2VkHPMmnIi.VQ48nBWSjDkxogP3pezzJxEb.nDFlvVr2VAVgu30M0E zRaDXGr8Ja7SBDLz1C6mG6xXz_jtsRJkSsoBGgTtQ2DB8iEqM7adJP6boqPA H_9bPdiCgNSJymC.57q9pDAk188BbYF4Zyp1CwjJE5fYXoumcdy7jGt09wGK UifrdYJ6TAWOYqEMYYskO9UgbjSdWkqM9DW7W4TDU7ExlcA6z2qWmuy4nKFE HI.ed66hhuS3kNeruQ4mRjJCAxdAcNAFOWqXnPbTKFWu.jo8bBsMmYwqnUPK 5tDT2.G2YULgQ2w0HR_v7chly8iz5PxTDHst2TrVeuXts7qzuT1uAlu5a9k0 GkcRKAXSKYS5qCufANhiLbPIiRH6afJwQpYLDinSgrL4q4HHEzph0Oq7tS3. 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I know the Sony tuners have a way to do it by holding down a button during = 'power on'. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi, > =C3=82=C2=A0 > need an am stereo car radio with 9 khz spacing for low power tests of 4,5= . 7 and 12 khz transmitter stereo. > Any ideas??? >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: Roy Sandgren > Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" > Skickat: l=C3=83=C2=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:53 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 >=20 > www.kcbradio.eu=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0 correct address. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: Roy Sandgren > Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" > Skickat: l=C3=83=C2=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:52 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 >=20 > Hi, > =C3=82=C2=A0 > just mailed HASDA for more info, but exept from USA, wich countries are b= roadcasting in am stereo?? > =C3=82=C2=A0 > can you pic up 6095 kHz in USA from 0900-1800 UTC=C3=82=C2=A0 100 kW=C3= =82=C2=A0 www.bcbradio.eu=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0 I do tune in in my car ra= dio all over europe. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: l=C3=83=C2=B6rdag, 15 oktober 2011 14:33 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: Re: {AMSF} Out of topics >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 >=20 > On Oct 15, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > noted that HASDA got an am-stereo car radio. >=20 > Do you have a Link to a web site on that radio? >=20 > > When we get the new TRAM TX of 50kW's we intend to do am stereo tests a= nd we need some recievers too. Need wider audio up to 9 kHz and it will sou= nds like FM. >=20 > That will sound nice, but in my opinion, AM Stereo sounds much better the= n FM. With AM Stereo, you don't get the Multipath Distortion and "Picket Fe= ncing" you do on FM. Also, The Stereo separation does not go away as the si= gnal gets weaker like on FM. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Oct 17 05:27:28 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26149 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2011 12:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2011 12:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2011 12:27:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1318854447; bh=ycDXdbzjR7p0QzInFqmH9KmXdP3zxIVutlPJ4VFarro=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=ECz6rL8LawuhWlpxMtXZv5IXx1tsdV7y2QM2msS434rjLJBqJiWiP807Ymj8SbVZY0Jm7EaY/RgEZDS1z/7p0T6BsbBasb8+fCLt+B5p9ib57TPZcB3FNfnl6Xfq85VB Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 12:27:27 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 12:27:27 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 12:27:27 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97899 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2011 13:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2011 13:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.143) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2011 13:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP163 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:28:42 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP163.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:28:41 -0700 To: References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:28:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2011 13:28:41.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[05F8E680:01CC89AC] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=lfM1gFdjD1PaRmRWNdCem0b-nmpVcjju4CNy3BNZGfd0 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 17 Oct 2011 12:27:26 -0000 the best arrays for cquam are a blaw knox 1/2 wave over a full 120 1/4 wave radials fed by and open feedline. wsm has one of these which is part of why they sound as good as fm out to 90 miles from transmitter. if they still ran cquam and you had a reciever for it i bet they would sound just like fm. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Raper" To: Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:20 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > >> nice to respond me and if we put a am generator in our comming am TX and >> increase the audio to 7-8 kHz, Eu standard is 4,5 kHz. and the power is >> 300/600kw on 1179kHz, directional antenna pattern ,this will be a little >> better?? > > Yes. > > Telefunken makes a fine transmitter that should sound great in Stereo. You > will have to contact them on how to connect the AM Stereo Generator. > Because Telefunken is not sold in the US, I don't know the specifics on > your transmitter off of the top of my head. Please do note that Telefunken > changed their name to Transradio and this is their web site: > > http://www.broadcast-transradio.com/ > > The key to great sounding AM Stereo is to make sure your Antenna System > and Phaser is Broad-banded, and is symmetrical across the entire Channel > you are using. In other words, the VSWR should be the same on both the > Upper and Lower Sideband. Since you are on 1179, I would try to get the > tuning as flat as possible from 1169 KHz to 1189 KHz. > > Having low Phase Noise, Low Bounce, and a Broadband transmitter is very > important to AM Stereo, but that should not be a problem with a Modern PDM > Transmitter. > >> Search on Google for info of the tx Solvesborg am 1179 kHz, am station. >> Lot of pic of the antenna, TX from -84. > > That is a nice looking station you have! > > The stations I work for are much smaller then yours. I do 2 > Non-Directional 5 KW on 730 KHz and 810 KHz and 1 Non-Directional 1 KW on > 1300 KHz. I used to work at a couple 50 KW Stations, the largest allowed > in the United States. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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I had just sent my A.L to Chris for the latest updates like new box new freq. and inturnal tuneable loading coil. 1000khz was not working any more so now he is putting in a 1500 khz crystal for me. Have fun .Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert P Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: {AMSF} sstran amt 5000 assembly public link https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.111925762250395.16947.100002989142408&l=65d972012a&type=1 i'm missing a couple parts which phil has sent to my moms. i should have them picked up and tx completed by mid next week. then i can test up against my rangemaster. Rev. Robert P. 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I had just sent my A.L to Chris for the latest updates like new box new freq. and inturnal tuneable loading coil. 1000khz was not working any more so now he is putting in a 1500 khz crystal for me. Have fun .Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert P Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: {AMSF} sstran amt 5000 assembly public link https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.111925762250395.16947.100002989142408&l=65d972012a&type=1 i'm missing a couple parts which phil has sent to my moms. i should have them picked up and tx completed by mid next week. then i can test up against my rangemaster. Rev. Robert P. 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I had just sent my A.L to Chris for the latest updates like new box new freq. and inturnal tuneable loading coil. 1000khz was not working any more so now he is putting in a 1500 khz crystal for me. Have fun .Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert P Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: {AMSF} sstran amt 5000 assembly public link https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.111925762250395.16947.100002989142408&l=65d972012a&type=1 i'm missing a couple parts which phil has sent to my moms. i should have them picked up and tx completed by mid next week. then i can test up against my rangemaster. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 10:03:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67278 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2011 17:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2011 17:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.80) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2011 17:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 17:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.15] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 17:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2011 17:03:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 781411.16581.bm@omp1015.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 64784 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2011 17:03:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bd9a16YVM1kLhmvU.pg.mYFN.0bYTJouicKXsSXRgCGMDZ5 ccROI3SK4CEOnlWdIQm2hhrnVaTcHHkS6DEUS25assToJPbx4BFACU8qmEBJ ZnGzYtVX1gnK38V0iZZb97zogPbhlWdCCX_xwZBL1HG86TROG2BAcuO0uZ86 D8BlHgErM4GbIOOqs3tCbfuTsZtNhfM1Stbc.rZoQQWWZCIUQIcLxW1K00y6 Qm0zH1HG.21ddWcSMCXOfsIh0O_8RrY5680f7O1xW8GtXw6.2mANndazO0nS FE8cGs_WSrjG2wgY_Uw9S6pZXKlY4GkK.MnFkQibq9UXPTXxb9EObnb6wxdo jjM5DB.ySk5d7MUQQQwLnFbECMZeFLQF2Cq2cUkGrdqNTXv.4sqU.gmkpiiY gX4m_iXg1_.H.FISy1PYUT2L.Tz5krxftDSslcsCY2izoXrEpdKd28Plp5.y OBTdT6nEg6mJHFA1aBKh2dMCR6au5g4lnKVpIHt1j6JYqVPsVE57MhQ-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:03:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 Message-ID: <1318870982.40919.YahooMailClassic@web112016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:03:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9A02C55AF7BD46FE9ACF1B0A6F1572C5@jim3slp85ju21o> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} sstran amt 5000 assembly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Ig3gS7uKofN3ep1bCsXI_B8brSm3nZXDldTLKE2dOvA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As per Chris I changed out the crystal for a PLL oscillator.=A0 It is exact= ly ZERO beat on frequency.=A0 The crystals are way too far off and cause an= ugly beat note.=20 =A0 =A0 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 10/9/11, jim smith wrote: Hi Robert=A0 Can you convert the SS Train=A0 to C-Quam or do you have a Chr= is Chuff A.L?=A0 I had just sent my A.L to Chris for the latest updates lik= e new box new freq. and inturnal tuneable loading coil. 1000khz was not wor= king any more so now he is putting in a 1500 khz crystal for me. Have fun .= Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 19 10:17:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94008 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2011 17:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2011 17:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2011 17:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2011 17:17:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2011 17:17:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:16:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1318870982.40919.YahooMailClassic@web112016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} PLL Osc in Alfredo Lite CQuam Transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=5Vbg27KBb6kLDU1ohKFAGQf6GRa5HEmWb-JqumQVvdcqLpE6fTZIT4M X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Powell, What PLL Oscillator did you intall in your Alfredo Lite transmitter? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > As per Chris I changed out the crystal for a PLL oscillator.=A0 It is exa= ctly ZERO beat on frequency.=A0 The crystals are way too far off and cause = an ugly beat note.=20 > =A0 > =A0 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 19 10:44:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6051 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2011 17:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2011 17:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm36-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.229.115) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2011 17:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2011 17:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.10] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2011 17:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2011 17:44:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 38900.62368.bm@omp1010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 24869 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2011 17:43:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WTB4Kl4VM1ngbjICN0aLc3zP9u3g1mJCBTg36nZXH0mX3f3 i_hcjNKV18NGpXUYvTjNRLycr.A7ksSACNAp6aQCp.QqywCejIcRLtbKnyZT ASToXboreAVrSuZ2ZlJH5M.UAoQ.GD7D4T7ha4q1Yb13gU3qh291tDAEU.dd SVwZunmzqPZ3X9KDJPsHZuuo0Z_asU9nwSampOxPQ7PU9pdu7Vf8S9452UnY kJEvw2f4g8XMJ1KFIWQK0d.kfbBhBYYEXbR5BC4R6BURIyg.LAjAOueZSFc7 Tz2kpFvFlnsdGxuLnpH7Dh9sTPvCuJ5L8TxwmTp6d3Y8_GCSSyxC5VwhNO.O D9IxpcM_HyJD8xu9ONZou9LBJmJR4lkIMVdkDU89BuhCbai3jG6H32QnNLl3 jFRkkqt0SJEegGOs7pSbr42A7nvsOGJDT_NRAGzE3mCcKHPWZwUiXYCkYlsj uSCUl4ZH93haZWouJQ4VsRBDD4bHhsW6BwqMoOSSsYBpzkZg.Jox7kUF7T4e QFI7rdIM22ssZXjprvi6_SzzxurIGnDWkZx5uRjE9DyTBh9BT37fRs5WNsjX YFuqheCagqVE7S_AjWg7fw.8I.qabVwnjkD4QOfVoYxJ4lcDRlfWNOeXL68H uV9oBVk8YLdNvrnrkVjlwZ9hoxPZN51zNhKKP3qir0OD2I_E.DjZ3cQxElUm HthXcMd3kIIiHBnLZp1VgXupIdnmT8DccwRIAs7f8aDoszK4FHdtXjJKwVUG iLalPO8tHqBhcZ2qMnyFS1_WXn9v04A1f44VgT.oI6_kzbbUt6Rw1L_4jKA0 9N.HVsUtRzJzq2DZbp1KJqeSBZ9QyGPbItoMyaM31a.AQMi.uniTKXsfAjLD ebCuHyr32oupSERE5lbmAzz4ABy_8JNiqaVLtYe5S7aoDYYSJyX._heLsgOj HBJaGZ2Z1mQkYjmGmIwoE1gnwJjUoMGeyYC1bPXzQCNIiMclD1vr.ukHtFhI k7dDpuONwvUey2Oy0NfC.9lywDPpMY1yIZ.nCYelIvTItAduJ4QSuMoE1NiL cNfXi9ZVkSXm4UWfi620cFnJ1M3dByAA- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:43:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 Message-ID: <1319046239.7332.YahooMailClassic@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:43:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} PLL Osc in Alfredo Lite CQuam Transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=s-YNXl-fV1cKYmk9ZWHMmThKvEbexZYx1Q5leWFvkTk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The one Chris recommended. I used the one with super close tolerances.=A0 I= can't remember what they are.=20 =A0 =A0 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 10/19/11, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} PLL Osc in Alfredo Lite CQuam Transmitter? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 1:16 PM Hi Powell, What PLL Oscillator did you intall in your Alfredo Lite transmitter? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > As per Chris I changed out the crystal for a PLL oscillator.=A0 It is exa= ctly ZERO beat on frequency.=A0 The crystals are way too far off and cause = an ugly beat note.=20 > =A0 > =A0 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 19 18:44:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73951 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2011 01:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2011 01:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.198) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2011 01:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2011 01:44:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2011 01:44:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2011 01:44:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 01:44:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1319046239.7332.YahooMailClassic@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} PLL Osc in Alfredo Lite CQuam Transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=6rSC4kWuO_-13__nietWuIiHUHS_1BHc63thG8wvctp-XNuTBw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > The one Chris recommended. I used the one with super close tolerances.=A0= I can't remember what they are.=20 > =A0 > =A0 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >He recommended the ECS P-85A programmable oscillator which is four legged = but only three pins are used in the socket. It operates on five volts as pe= r the datasheet. In fact I can link you to the part in question.=20 http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=3D0&keywords=3D= ECS-P85-A-ND This is the part needed. Be sure when ordering to specify the frequency you= want it to be programmed for. I put it in the customer reference portion a= nd it came out being correct. Just remember that the frequency you must hav= e the oscillator programmed for is 4 times where you want the transmitter o= utput to end up in the AM broadcast band. An example being if you want the = transmitter to be on 1450 KHz then request the oscillator be programmed for= 5.8 MHz. From jmrouse@mail.com Fri Oct 21 12:27:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77762 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2011 19:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2011 19:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 19:27:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17406 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2011 19:27:06 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.15.201 by rms-us014.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:27:03 -0400 Message-ID: <20111021192703.53150@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: v/WYe/hZ33enIg1T/nFzefkxU3U4N4/2 X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=lVMXymOeS1slfKbdOAyqzzutUQu0Kg-5qkZpPhVcy9oRpMLJ7pre X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amen! AM stereo should be the standard on the 530 -1710, not only at the transmi= tter but at the reciever as well. If it has FM stereo, it should have AM st= ereo as well. Just like the 1965 TV UHF ruling. I think AM stereo capabilit= y should be applied to HD radios as well. I just might be tempted. As for HD on FM, the dropping out, buffering , time difference & dropping = back to the main analog carrier can be annoying in mobile listening. I like real radio. Have a good Friday, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jota Sent: 10/13/11 03:30 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Fri Oct 21 12:31:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10013 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2011 19:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2011 19:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 19:31:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23925 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2011 19:31:21 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.15.201 by rms-us003.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:31:19 -0400 Message-ID: <20111021193120.53160@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: wI7HJKxizmCiLh9gqyElvtZiamdhZASz X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=u_Mj-TUfn4w9Nyxfp-EzSmIZ6rZ4bRQAEBY_lr7l7kNj3MxXZdET X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to hear that. Why not let the listeners decide? It is thier airwaves.= (IMHO) Have a good Friday, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Sandgren Sent: 10/14/11 03:47 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Fri Oct 21 12:44:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63732 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2011 19:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2011 19:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 19:44:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30967 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2011 19:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.15.201 by rms-us009.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:43:51 -0400 Message-ID: <20111021194351.53180@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: JL/EPq51wjOLLQtI6Gghu9h4IGhpZQYh X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=SaFk-U3euV6ZCDB7eNqCiHQenoZB5dWfvsVdW51uSqxLGF-bsySC X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roy, If tou have a wide banded AM reciever, Meduci sells a decoder board. That = is, if there is enough room inside. Here is the address below. http://meduci.com/ Have a good Friday, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Sandgren Sent: 10/16/11 11:30 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Oct 21 12:44:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47103 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2011 19:44:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2011 19:44:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.230) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 19:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.182] by nm4.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 19:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.35] by tm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 19:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 19:44:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 554046.56519.bm@omp1024.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 94303 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2011 19:44:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UCiVqksVM1n5uAPGKqy5c0dZfDqgUMNih3laLowQZ_pvr.T mF3wltIhnbA.4aiYYVzZfMPMcGs0LDZYQjQQE0OAwnWKo4r9trj9yhHMTVfx BPKx5_XUQbxvyKXLHfAZ8fOMr4DPwmsfXj_KAYcXOuAjTRcoJpMizymfwC0V tOCFDp5IkJabQXkIFIX13y.u2O92VaVabZuBqwEcqs1MIyds2CJYl__eTxOb HLc5c7wKPdgUHEsQIKD8feeXfQ4ucfcQrWVHyh.PH50jxWrBseB55jFfzcrq WLL6O0mn9LZ3GK2nT6MZrK._gqA9nB2SER85kp8IgA4z0s_fsaDl4oVueZtB AHKkyTd0bKj0qzxnVV._pDWuQmr2frLWx7xq2sbyMv.WSohc9W7c.auyPwuj RjSTapfjAFeOAknBnIJtuFarBX6siKrlgUiJd7ULeHkc.Oq6K1.iSrInAXCk HWgWpoCIOCEnxthha68kq7ZcADU0fMO0ZzxNRh9N0yoxoNHSN5_1p22.68o1 wx500HdXkjqK79lcfoZxTjdGvZWP5mW1Zxf01anMPhRkjzLVrv.hD4855e9K ZCPf8g4XPCcx3NiobTTti8smoB4cdothstZjesFroiOjVmKTFRAk5xfISpOo nl9toaxjaBZnYONLaV1_8h5dzIfAizpb1n3UN4U.unhWaAA9n.6fYmiNJZGn gxsO42.Sxyc3OQWmCnNo_4MpSJqgf85tsmd56E.vd71F3qVAGYc1D5yPwG9e LcFJuWVUAaPA6IxDGfUIrukyLUkmnP7OUoKiRWWEHCke90AKNgsqAX8llk1r fJpMAmZMbtGGqtsjiNBv_MQv.RZEGScIrOunIew2HVIMqBVdLKdQhj8pyNiC gZ0m8Hs0_l5tjDPlyCXDQJ0Vaba9YrW5Pa2Ezq1tPcVRSbayztLWuVn28_qn 5izLgbPK4MhoQ52P3s_2UxxFB.htu0KuklxajdGoOtRja_LU0eAl_NX.HbTG f747Ci2NdVnfbLbMpZopbwcpsKeffmfVyZdoIDrdAWsAoD_Tzyh.a9.UBXmM DZq19iz5V50Q9dzWni8KHFF.TXCF0coaoMiipJn2ec93TFgRnATb9NljF3lJ ECTh4YM8GmhBB0kj8VFrv0tf1W5zVsM1a7udvKwAPC1O.7EnFTVyegO4sqAO RuJdRxvFwUd8vbvcatxNmUrFcNUiUt7EABbDPrGGSlA_928ZMdtRvcowC5BW UF40.bAxZoRCVRs..g3p7AuGinR6ZzqeFiixRCCxRHB7GY8t0Qpf82MYSMbV e6q2SLs55SQnIwpZakqgHfH6xZkos7lt3t_S2Y5oMw9JjTDmLLesQwpRYTn. 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Your voice is analouge, your ears are analouge, not digital. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Joseph Rouse Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: fredag, 21 oktober 2011 21:31 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Sorry to hear that. Why not let the listeners decide? It is thier airwaves.= (IMHO) Have a good Friday, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Sandgren Sent: 10/14/11 03:47 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Fri Oct 21 12:46:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74956 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2011 19:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2011 19:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.mail.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 19:46:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15347 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2011 19:46:27 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.15.201 by rms-us006.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:46:27 -0400 Message-ID: <20111021194627.53160@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: IfWSdvEglHK1Lg5e5mVnm4U5MjQ1N93Q X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=fXGL6wEaWn-EvYRD5LsSF0xVv9awrYrMMNZJB3jitMsjdWwQ_E8I X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Too bad CFZM 740 does not. Kudos to them though, for staying an AM music st= ation. Have a good Friday, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio Sent: 10/16/11 11:00 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo Broadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Oct 21 13:01:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51644 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2011 20:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2011 20:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.100) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 20:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.215] by nm21.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 20:01:53 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.170] by tm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 20:01:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 20:01:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 515251.50512.bm@omp1011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 52184 invoked by uid 60001); 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Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:01:52 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <20111021194351.53180@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1319227312.49544.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:01:52 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <20111021194351.53180@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=d4koxNHc2uyOduD9fUXBpO_gbvua6fUtINzC2OkiY_gkoPo X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, thanks for the info about this reciever. In greece a fellow making am-stereo Tx of 100mw and 20watts. 50 - 15000kHz = aviable, AM/FM is not dead, it will have a come back one day... Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Joseph Rouse Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: fredag, 21 oktober 2011 21:43 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi Roy, If tou have a wide banded AM reciever, Meduci sells a decoder board. That i= s, if there is enough room inside. Here is the address below. http://meduci.com/ Have a good Friday, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Sandgren Sent: 10/16/11 11:30 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Fri Oct 21 14:01:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36958 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2011 21:01:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2011 21:01:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 21:01:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 710 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 2011 21:01:32 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.15.201 by rms-us005.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:01:32 -0400 Message-ID: <20111021210132.53170@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: n+qTf/E8hTXpYEBX+WNrqIxSa2FkZpXw X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=D0xbwcbPaFgFPyunwNEPy-Cw55gjx7IbJESBX4knW07nR1sDK1Ep X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kevin, Some days ago you posted the following about wide band FM. "With the Spectrum hogs stealing TVs spectrum now, that ain't gonna happen."Who are these spectrum hogs? What is their intent? I was hoping to see the FM expanded band become reality. The AM band needs it. Out of about 4700 AM stations, over 1000 of them are operating on six local channels of 1230,1240,1340, 1400,1450, & 1490. To hear them with today's Chinese radio (?) you almost have to camp out by the tower at night. It can be tough even with a good one. Many class B & D's also suffer at night. Offer the worst affected stations the new FM channels with a similar day time foot print, & let them simulcast for a while until receivers become available & affordable. Listeners could also use their old AM/FM/TV1/TV2 portables right away. Then reposition on the dial the remaining stations. These would be the high power stations, or stations that could now become higher powered, but only if it does not pose a noise threat. This would benefit all radio broadcasters. Any station is worth more if it can be heard clearly with better range. AM would not suffocate. They could be all analog. I don't see the down side. Sorry for the long post. Thanks for any information you have to share. Have a good Friday, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Raper Sent: 10/13/11 11:26 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 21 16:50:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17444 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2011 23:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2011 23:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f181.google.com) (209.85.213.181) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 23:50:39 -0000 X-Received: by yxn22 with SMTP id 22so1493878yxn.12 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:50:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.73.228 with SMTP id v64mr24221456yhd.103.1319241039079; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u66sm21629012yhu.13.2011.10.21.16.50.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) In-Reply-To: <20111021210132.53170@gmx.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:50:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <903596E6-E454-48D2-A3B2-67F35BBBF39C@gmail.com> References: <20111021210132.53170@gmx.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Cbhf6mQhuG93QNfsau5-imMAnugnDEOWJrPctfiAtWFeOvgR3BG1OhJd7Nw37A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 21, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > Hi Kevin, Some days ago you posted the following about wide band FM. "Wit= h the Spectrum hogs stealing TVs spectrum now, that ain't gonna happen."Who= are these spectrum hogs? What is their intent? The Spectrum Hogs are the Wireless Telephone Companies and to some extent W= ireless Internet Providers. the stated intent is to bring Wireless Internet= to the masses. > I was hoping to see the FM expanded band become reality. The AM band need= s it. Yes, but we don't need any more stations. The whole purpose of the Expanded= AM Band was to eliminate the worst interference makers in exchange for the= X-Band Frequency with the understanding either the X-Band station or the O= riginal signal would go off after a transitional time. Well Time's Up! They= need to turn off the original station or the X-Band Station NOW. > Out of about 4700 AM stations, over 1000 of them are operating on six loc= al channels of 1230,1240,1340, 1400,1450, & 1490. To hear them with today's= Chinese radio (?) you almost have to camp out by the tower at night. It ca= n be tough even with a good one. The Old Class 4s, now Class Cs have been pounded by QRM since the 50s and t= he 1000 Watt Power increase they lobbied for and got only got them even mor= e QRM, so it is kinda hard to feel sorry for them. > Many class B & D's also suffer at night. Class Ds and many Class Bs had NO power at night, so any is better then not= hing for them. The problem with Class Ds is what I have at one of my Statio= ns, A former Class D is now cheating with Daytime Power on my frequency whe= re he used to go off of the air, so My Flea Power does not even cover my Pa= rking Lot, much less my City Of License! Now when that station is operating= within its licensed Night Power, my Flea Power signal covers the City Of L= icense very nicely. > Offer the worst affected stations the new FM channels with a similar day = time foot print, & let them simulcast for a while until receivers become av= ailable & affordable. Nope, that will only add more stations to the mix like X-Band AM did. Do li= ke Canada and allow AM Stations migrating to FM to Simulcast for a Month, t= hen the AM goes Off the Air. PERIOD! > Listeners could also use their old AM/FM/TV1/TV2 portables right away. Th= en reposition on the dial the remaining stations. These would be the high p= ower stations, or stations that could now become higher powered, but only i= f it does not pose a noise threat. This would benefit all radio broadcaster= s. Any station is worth more if it can be heard clearly with better range. = AM would not suffocate. They could be all analog. I don't see the down side= . Ams biggest problem is not other Stations, but QRM from The Utility Compani= es running higher Voltages on the Power Lines, LED Traffic Lights, Plasma T= Vs, and CFL Lighting. Those things make AM listening nearly impossible in m= uch of the Country. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 16:55:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60935 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2011 23:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2011 23:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.162) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 23:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 23:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 23:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 23:55:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:55:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.142 From: "Jota" Subject: Country stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BHLA70ManPOfX0mHF6wYYTW4LrCA1RQ0x5EAuhDqk_z2WyzcIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody in this forum has seen the George Clooney's movie: "O = Brother, Where Art Thou?" In that film, we can see an AM station from the 1930's. That station is in = the country (out of some city boundaries) with its studio and transmitter s= ite into the same building. I wonder if there are stations like the movie one today. The answer is because, as I can see the things here, I will have to move al= l my station to the "rural" area (we don't have any kind of "money help" fr= om anybody to re-construct, yet, and the taxes are killing us, even with al= l our installations down). Well, if there are some one, please let me know to get more info and experi= encies. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Oct 21 16:57:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53658 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2011 23:56:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2011 23:56:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.118) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 23:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 23:56:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 23:56:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2011 23:56:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:56:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1319226285.90271.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.142 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1cEF0jaIsCa1OVtxcUHwm1LcOrGNdQNIMBpfRDFCgpW1XMmYKg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 AMEN!!! And, AMEN!!! LEAVE THE DIGITAL AUDIO INTO THE STUDIO AND LET THE ANALOG AUDIO ON THE AIR= !!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, SOuth America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Non digital system can replace the analouge broadcasting system. > Your voice is analouge, your ears are analouge, not digital. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: Joseph Rouse > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: fredag, 21 oktober 2011 21:31 > =C3=84mne: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 > Sorry to hear that. Why not let the listeners decide? It is thier airwave= s. (IMHO) >=20 > Have a good Friday, > Joe R. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roy Sandgren > Sent: 10/14/11 03:47 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 21 17:00:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78128 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2011 00:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2011 00:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f180.google.com) (209.85.213.180) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2011 00:00:56 -0000 X-Received: by yxm34 with SMTP id 34so6265491yxm.11 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:00:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.181.135 with SMTP id l7mr24602818yhm.85.1319241652713; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q57sm21637445yhi.22.2011.10.21.17.00.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:00:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=vxRXM9f5NgnNmWnW-V1w4e0-W0ihaXdjyy81dNr-FTiqgKdNDpHj6o89Cczv6w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Jota wrote: > In that film, we can see an AM station from the 1930's. That station is in the country (out of some city boundaries) with its studio and transmitter site into the same building. > > I wonder if there are stations like the movie one today. There are a BUNCH of those Radio Stations with the Transmitter and Studio in the Same Building, I work at one Everyday as the Chief Engineer! What do you need to know about them? I will be glad to Help you. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Oct 22 00:36:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1930 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2011 07:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2011 07:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.198) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2011 07:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2011 07:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2011 07:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2011 07:36:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 07:36:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.127 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=fghtfJrwVpSuGovK78OohcZuNtnRsQ6BCsJns0p91xi6EYyZSA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Kevin!!! Basically, I need to know all about how to avoid audio interferences betwee= n the TX and the audio devices (mikes, mixers, PCs, etc.) and any other tec= hnical advices. Also, if you give me some stories (experiences) about the listeners-station= relationship and the commercial (advertising) issues, it would be very use= ful to me. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Jota wrote: >=20 > > In that film, we can see an AM station from the 1930's. That station is= in the country (out of some city boundaries) with its studio and transmitt= er site into the same building. > >=20 > > I wonder if there are stations like the movie one today. >=20 > There are a BUNCH of those Radio Stations with the Transmitter and Studio= in the Same Building, I work at one Everyday as the Chief Engineer! >=20 > What do you need to know about them? I will be glad to Help you. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 22 02:01:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76536 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2011 09:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2011 09:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.94) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2011 09:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2011 09:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.118] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2011 09:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2011 09:01:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 438857.99020.bm@omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85595 invoked from network); 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22 Oct 2011 02:01:24 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 02:01:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Z3LYcoFjU6K932UQNQt2v_OXXWPWfNsNo2yYqYVEfJreMTeUXYRRlN6IYVYyVl2SK60oh5Yz X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jaun I am no exspert but i was haveing truble with a humming noise with= tape player and other audio stuff so i had hooked up to my Parts 15 A.L A= M STEREO TX . So what i did was i hooked up a gruond wire to all of them an= d the humming went away. I hope this helps a little. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:36 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations =20=20=20=20 Hi Kevin!!! Basically, I need to know all about how to avoid audio interferences betw= een the TX and the audio devices (mikes, mixers, PCs, etc.) and any other t= echnical advices. Also, if you give me some stories (experiences) about the listeners-stati= on relationship and the commercial (advertising) issues, it would be very u= seful to me. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Jota wrote: >=20 > > In that film, we can see an AM station from the 1930's. That station = is in the country (out of some city boundaries) with its studio and transmi= tter site into the same building. > >=20 > > I wonder if there are stations like the movie one today. >=20 > There are a BUNCH of those Radio Stations with the Transmitter and Stud= io in the Same Building, I work at one Everyday as the Chief Engineer! >=20 > What do you need to know about them? I will be glad to Help you. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical= standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Oct 22 07:00:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65461 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2011 14:00:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2011 14:00:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f176.google.com) (209.85.160.176) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2011 14:00:58 -0000 X-Received: by gyh3 with SMTP id 3so6326711gyh.35 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 07:00:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.191.103 with SMTP id f67mr26307922yhn.16.1319292057957; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 07:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d32sm21913398yhj.17.2011.10.22.07.00.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 22 Oct 2011 07:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 10:00:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <49551092-C0E2-418D-9764-6D4B1BEF3CE0@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=iw75gf7Ho7iRHBjY_u9YKqoBcFICgle7zMfp7LzHxCJGedyqSITlui6Upa8DVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 22, 2011, at 3:36 AM, Jota wrote: > Basically, I need to know all about how to avoid audio interferences between the TX and the audio devices (mikes, mixers, PCs, etc.) and any other technical advices. Jim is onto something. The key is GROUNDING. For a 5000 Watt Station or less, use 4" Wide Copper Ribbon. For 10,000 to 50,000 Watts, use 6" Wide Copper ribbon. ALL Connections should be CAD-Welded, or Brazed with Silvalloy 10% Silver content or better. Any time the Ribbon has to make a 45 Degree turn, Fold it back on itself to make the turn, then Braze the seams of the fold. YOu do not want any Ground Loops, so you use one Copper ribbon that goes to the Antenna Ground Field and Lightning rods. That has a Ribbon Brazed to it that goes to the Antenna Tuning Dog House. If you have more then one antenna, such as a Directional Station, each ribbon goes to the Phasor. If the Station is Non-Directional, Just ignore the part about the Phasor. Now the ribbon is connected to the Building's Electrical Ground and Ground Rod. Now run the Ribbon to the Equipment Racks and Transmitter (s) then on under the carpet to each studio where you Ground the Consoles, and Turntables. Now is where it can get tricky: You want the Ground of ALL of your Audio wires to come together at the console and connect them all together and to the Station Ground. On the end of the Audio Lines, lift the Ground from the Aux Equipment such as Microphones, CD Players, Tape Machines, and Computer Sound Cards. Now fire up the transmitter and all of the equipment, and if any RF gets into a piece of Equipment, Experiment with the Ground of that equipment, such as Grounding the Audio Cable, Putting Ferrite Beads on the Audio Cable, and what have you to get rid of the RF. And before anybody asks, Yes, My HAM Radio Station is grounded the same way. :-) I used to do the engineering at a 50,000 Watt AM on 1070 KHz with the Studio On - Site with the Transmitter, so it CAN be done. :-) My only problem was the CAT-5 Computer Network cables were acting as antennas and the RF was messing with the Computers. I switched to a Wirelsss LAN (WiFi) and had no more computer network issues. > Also, if you give me some stories (experiences) about the listeners-station relationship and the commercial (advertising) issues, it would be very useful to me. The Law requires the Transmitter Control Operators (Typically the DJ) to be able to see the Transmitter's Meters and such from the Operating Position, so a big Glass Window or a Glass Door to the Transmitter room is installed between the DJ Studio and the Transmitter. Because each DJ and Programming Nerd "thinks" he knows best and LOVE to twist knobs on the Audio Processing, it is best to keep the transmitter room doors LOCKED. But, have it in a way that the sales droids can let clients SEE the bouncing Meters and blinking lights of the equipment because that does impress them. :-) ALso keep the transmitter area Neat and tidy, and label every wire since it makes repairs and upgrades so much easier in the future, and impresses clients now. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 22 08:39:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56791 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2011 15:39:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2011 15:39:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2011 15:39:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2011 15:39:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2011 15:39:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:39:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations - real radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=1drxVJG8xUAt5Bl8G4JBGlaOZYe0HniJjYC8tslCcSSNyHZ-t6zQ9d0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio On the little AM stations that have the transmitter right outside the studi= o, it's important that you do have a nice glass door/wall/window in front o= f the transmitter as I've already heard stories about how the transmitter t= akes a lightning strike and a little ball of lighting bounces down the hall= way from the transmitter until it finds a nice ground (in one case 30 years= ago, it found the AP/UPI teletype as its destination). My defination of a 'real radio station' is exactly that: a live, local DJ t= aking phone calls, sitting 20 feet away from his 1KW CQUAM AM stereo transm= itter! (Like WIRY-AM stereo in New York State - they even have some photos = on the web - live and local and stereo 'hometown radio') John From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Oct 22 08:46:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5236 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2011 15:46:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2011 15:46:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f175.google.com) (209.85.160.175) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2011 15:46:07 -0000 X-Received: by gyc15 with SMTP id 15so5294121gyc.20 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 08:46:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.174.105 with SMTP id w69mr27187886yhl.32.1319298366632; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 08:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s42sm24350130yhs.0.2011.10.22.08.46.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 22 Oct 2011 08:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:46:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations - real radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=OrEwRVBe5jCaRFhXCkT5p2MS_mTxbYGJHz_GoKogdiL_FX2z_jASQ8v5g-v0sA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 22, 2011, at 11:39 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > On the little AM stations that have the transmitter right outside the studio, it's important that you do have a nice glass door/wall/window in front of the transmitter as I've already heard stories about how the transmitter takes a lightning strike and a little ball of lighting bounces down the hallway from the transmitter until it finds a nice ground (in one case 30 years ago, it found the AP/UPI teletype as its destination). IF the station is grounded properly, that is not an issue. > My defination of a 'real radio station' is exactly that: a live, local DJ taking phone calls, sitting 20 feet away from his 1KW CQUAM AM stereo transmitter! (Like WIRY-AM stereo in New York State - they even have some photos on the web - live and local and stereo 'hometown radio') Agreed! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 22 20:01:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31864 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2011 03:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2011 03:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2011 03:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111022220107100181200011> for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:01:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EA38352.2050704@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:00:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:01:07 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20111021194351.53180@gmx.com> <1319227312.49544.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1319227312.49544.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111022-1, 10/22/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4sUILiPuVAHhas6VPO6RkAfxHfrJllyx7iEQ_dcZ3X8P1wlsBmvm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 10/21/2011 3:01 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi, thanks for the info about this reciever. > In greece a fellow making am-stereo Tx of 100mw and 20watts. 50 - > 15000kHz aviable, > AM/FM is not dead, it will have a come back one day... > > Not trying to get political here, but I'm suspecting Iran is going to try putting the US back into the stone age with an EMP from a high altitude nuclear detonation. AM can come back as it's fairly simple to generate and detect, though FM might be a little harder. Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Oct 23 00:08:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98926 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2011 07:08:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2011 07:08:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2011 07:08:55 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p9N78l6A012608 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 03:08:47 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.13]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3F72BE000082 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 03:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <606a.6c0fe5a7.3bd5177f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 03:08:47 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485612736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094ea3bd7f05ba X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics - Aspisys of Greece X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=dJFQ-2scBpAyenBU_V9d5J21Wxqva70lmzTAbdx_xIzNrt2GOmvG X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi Roy and all, The outfit in Greece making AM Stereo items is called Aspisys and it is run by a fellow named Sotris I believe. Sotris also makes an AM Stereo C-Quam Decoder Board that will work with the 455KHz I.F. output from an older standard superhet type receiver. I ordered one over the summer to use with an R-390A communications receiver, but haven't hooked it up yet. The shipping was prompt and it arrived in nice shape about a week after I ordered it. The R-390A has a 455KHz output jack and has selectable I.F. bandwidths of up to 8 and 16KHz so it should be ideal to use with the AM Stereo decoder board and give good audio response. The name of the AM Stereo Decoder Board is the DQAM Stereo Decoder Board. Aspisys also makes several different AM Stereo transmitters of different power levels. They seem very nice to deal with. Here is their current web address : http://www.aspisys.com/products.htm 73, Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 10/21/2011 4:02:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, radio774@yahoo.se writes: Hi, thanks for the info about this reciever. In greece a fellow making am-stereo Tx of 100mw and 20watts. 50 - 15000kHz aviable, AM/FM is not dead, it will have a come back one day... 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Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:44:37 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <606a.6c0fe5a7.3bd5177f@aol.com> Message-ID: <1319388277.6409.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:44:37 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <606a.6c0fe5a7.3bd5177f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics - Aspisys of Greece X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=WD-5dd-sjKLCwIpiNjuVamm1uWOftEec7AB4dtYSDRL7Y-M X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks a lot Todd, =C2=A0 I'm allready intuch with him about the TX, hope it got power enough to get = troughout the feeder cables of 200 meters to tower. Normally this antenna s= ystem is for 300/600kW's, but one there was a 10kW daytime between Radio Sw= eden's service it was Sveriges radio 1, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 23 oktober 2011 9:08 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics - Aspisys of Greece =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi Roy and all, The outfit in Greece making AM Stereo items is called Aspisys and it is=20 run by a fellow named Sotris I believe. Sotris also makes an AM Stereo C-Quam Decoder=20 Board that will work with the 455KHz I.F. output from an older standard superhet type=20 receiver. I ordered one=20 over the summer to use with an R-390A communications receiver, but haven't= =20 hooked it up yet. The shipping was prompt and it arrived in nice shape about a week after I= =20 ordered it. The R-390A has a 455KHz output jack and has selectable I.F. bandwidths of= =20 up to 8 and 16KHz so it should be ideal to use with the AM Stereo decoder board and give=20 good audio response. The name of the AM Stereo Decoder Board is the DQAM Stereo Decoder Board. Aspisys also makes several different AM Stereo transmitters of different=20 power levels. They seem=20 very nice to deal with. Here is their current web address : http://www.aspisys.com/products.htm 73, Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 10/21/2011 4:02:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 radio774@yahoo.se writes: Hi, thanks for the info about this reciever. In greece a fellow making am-stereo Tx of 100mw and 20watts. 50 - 15000kHz= =20 aviable, AM/FM is not dead, it will have a come back one day... 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Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:46:07 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <20111021194351.53180@gmx.com> <1319227312.49544.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4EA38352.2050704@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1319388367.9152.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:46:07 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <4EA38352.2050704@usfamily.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=7EFDirRnyaMLOcJAhPOP3HDVN4zPBs6L3skMPvrD_ZpUfds X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nono, Iran is afraid to do this... Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Scott Todd Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 23 oktober 2011 5:01 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On 10/21/2011 3:01 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi, thanks for the info about this reciever. > In greece a fellow making am-stereo Tx of 100mw and 20watts. 50 - > 15000kHz aviable, > AM/FM is not dead, it will have a come back one day... > > Not trying to get political here, but I'm suspecting Iran is going to=20 try putting the US back into the stone age with an EMP from a high=20 altitude nuclear detonation. AM can come back as it's fairly simple to=20 generate and detect, though FM might be a little harder. 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(VPS 111023-2, 10/23/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: {AMSF} Out of topics X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4WVDsVd8KMoD3pjHQdpM5eOmdPRByv-sCtQ-7zSfyVvSzQQSgF6l X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 10/23/2011 11:46 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Nono, > Iran is afraid to do this... > > > > > Not trying to get political here, but I'm suspecting Iran is going to > try putting the US back into the stone age with an EMP from a high > altitude nuclear detonation. AM can come back as it's fairly simple to > generate and detect, though FM might be a little harder. > > Ahmedinijad is a certifiable whacko. He believes he can bring back what's known as the 12th Imam and restore an multinational if not worldwide caliphate (khalifa- arabic) by creating chaos on earth. If he ever gets nuclear bombs you bloody better believe he'll try it. Scott Todd From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Oct 26 05:42:22 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62352 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 12:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 12:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 12:42:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1319632940; bh=ciwEQDzpkbib7UXEEjvBO4/Rz1wfulbJ5hk+L/0/ORA=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=S3yHM6KSmqkel5JT8fA8HpzdE+F6Q76LWmmeS+CFeXG0NgITapGis670W2x7p+DdFx887/V50KZFxSzfsJvEnZzqMWRkp6W3EW8LjuAFuqyYvPZ3OPYtYfhJKNlOMaWC Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 12:42:20 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 12:42:20 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8205 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2011 14:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2011 14:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s15.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2011 14:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP150 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 17 Oct 2011 06:58:54 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP150.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 17 Oct 2011 06:58:53 -0700 To: References: <9A02C55AF7BD46FE9ACF1B0A6F1572C5@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:50:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2011 13:58:53.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7B3D6E0:01CC8CD4] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} sstran amt 5000 assembly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=8g1xYyZbXi8xgAD1bZqqLZKnalWh4zWagYGDoHHj3zZy X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 26 Oct 2011 12:42:18 -0000 any am transmitter can be converted with an am stereo generator the sstran is no different. sold my AL for 300.00 i have a BE ax10 and cunningham CM30-50 and a panasonic quad system am stereo sig generator Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:38 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} sstran amt 5000 assembly > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jim smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Cc: jim smith > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 2:11 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} sstran amt 5000 assembly > > > Hi Robert Can you convert the SS Train to C-Quam or do you have a Chris > Chuff A.L? I had just sent my A.L to Chris for the latest updates like > new box new freq. and inturnal tuneable loading coil. 1000khz was not > working any more so now he is putting in a 1500 khz crystal for me. Have > fun .Jim Smith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert P Chrysafis > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:59 AM > Subject: {AMSF} sstran amt 5000 assembly > > > > public link > > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.111925762250395.16947.100002989142408&l=65d972012a&type=1 > > i'm missing a couple parts which phil has sent to my moms. i should > have > them picked up and tx completed by mid next week. then i can test up > against > my rangemaster. > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Facebook > http://kc8gpd.tk > QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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I,m in tuch=C2=A0with TRANSRADIO and we got a 50Kw TRAM TX few hours on air= . Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Robert P Chrysafis Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 13 oktober 2011 15:28 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 the best arrays for cquam are a blaw knox 1/2 wave over a full 120 1/4 wave= =20 radials fed by and open feedline. wsm has one of these which is part of why= =20 they sound as good as fm out to 90 miles from transmitter. if they still ra= n=20 cquam and you had a reciever for it i bet they would sound just like fm. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Kevin Raper" To: Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:20 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > >> nice to respond me and if we put a am generator in our comming am TX and= =20 >> increase the audio to 7-8 kHz, Eu standard is 4,5 kHz. and the power is= =20 >> 300/600kw on 1179kHz, directional antenna pattern ,this will be a little= =20 >> better?? > > Yes. > > Telefunken makes a fine transmitter that should sound great in Stereo. Yo= u=20 > will have to contact them on how to connect the AM Stereo Generator.=20 > Because Telefunken is not sold in the US, I don't know the specifics on=20 > your transmitter off of the top of my head. Please do note that Telefunke= n=20 > changed their name to Transradio and this is their web site: > > http://www.broadcast-transradio.com/ > > The key to great sounding AM Stereo is to make sure your Antenna System=20 > and Phaser is Broad-banded, and is symmetrical across the entire Channel= =20 > you are using. In other words, the VSWR should be the same on both the=20 > Upper and Lower Sideband. Since you are on 1179, I would try to get the=20 > tuning as flat as possible from 1169 KHz to 1189 KHz. > > Having low Phase Noise, Low Bounce, and a Broadband transmitter is very=20 > important to AM Stereo, but that should not be a problem with a Modern PD= M=20 > Transmitter. > >> Search on Google for info of the tx Solvesborg am 1179 kHz, am station.= =20 >> Lot of pic of the antenna, TX from -84. > > That is a nice looking station you have! > > The stations I work for are much smaller then yours. I do 2=20 > Non-Directional 5 KW on 730 KHz and 810 KHz and 1 Non-Directional 1 KW on= =20 > 1300 KHz. I used to work at a couple 50 KW Stations, the largest allowed= =20 > in the United States. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical=20 > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > >=20 =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Oct 26 05:47:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48657 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 12:47:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 12:47:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f50.google.com) (209.85.212.50) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 12:47:28 -0000 X-Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so1618401vws.37 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:47:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.114.232 with SMTP id jj8mr32332830vdb.94.1319633248036; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e4sm2238535vdt.11.2011.10.26.05.47.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:47:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0D0C9641-E65E-40AF-A4D1-0A303BDD5396@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=RlEPax6eKJjO8KUQotqRg1MyAII-eKSEKehexxGSCdxc4q-ZjniPwIMuDA8q4w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 17, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > the antenna system is a complet 2 towers with ground net in cupper, mostly into the salt water. Oh Cool. My WLTQ has the Copper Ground Screen in a Salt Water marsh and it really makes the signal scream! > I,m in tuch with TRANSRADIO and we got a 50Kw TRAM TX few hours on air. Good stuff! Do you plan on any DRM Broadcasts? 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Oct 26 06:01:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83082 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 13:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 13:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f176.google.com) (209.85.160.176) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 13:01:25 -0000 X-Received: by gyh3 with SMTP id 3so1905960gyh.21 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:01:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.80.18 with SMTP id d18mr5022029anb.151.1319634084863; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k3sm3286615ann.0.2011.10.26.06.01.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:01:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Os2vaA942At5082ib4HAKN-bqfM-celGvV4HCbLn1ydRUh0RtK4RyGJrpaCXOg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 17, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > the best arrays for cquam are a blaw knox 1/2 wave over a full 120 1/4 wave > radials Actually, they had Severe Self Interference problems, and that is why the stations that still have them had to extend or shorten them. They got their theory wrong Those big Diamonds in the air are Pretty and look like "RADIO" but are not the best choice as an antenna. > fed by and open feed line. Roy, you might wanna go out and visit a Blaw-Knox Site like WLW. Back in the day, they used a Monster Coaxial cable to feed the 500 KW Signal to the tower. Now they use a Modern Coaxial Cable to feed the ATU. > wsm has one of these which is part of why > they sound as good as fm out to 90 miles from transmitter. It would be even better if they had a 5/8 Wave Monopole. > if they still ran cquam and you had a reciever for it i bet they would sound just like fm. AM Stereo sounds better than FM Stereo because to is a Superior System. AM Stereo does not loose Separation or Signal to Noise Ratio with distance as does FM. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Wed Oct 26 08:23:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51493 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 15:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 15:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.190) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 15:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.180] by nm16.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 15:23:37 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.169] by tm11.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 15:23:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 15:23:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 685286.31308.bm@omp1010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 3140 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2011 15:23:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _4mwteoVM1nzWzih8JE11ymz1DZeb5GWd0PPVOTLTGhqc9n waPJrK5Xmuo9HoCJx_Jbkrq29.cLxB._j5HLe8ccVer509jvuGhhg3wAX0cg UDhnkjKyQ_ZJCDOUIAoZ9ZgXxhoNTBLXNwRX_aNRvTI1DW4tsowOalPdybhD 3CTBtKR_cpc6dZszgDGNCh1F1dfrhkdf3a83gKEKEDSvKOdEDGWvGb.k6pzI um3jA73OB.yP88OCvK48mTFJrmilGHZYJjxnb97o8oqmUBeZ_xr0IlRSgQ_f GP2PGaU9xYnrx5IJAXyRbJow3nW4HyKLHNCBoVwIh9YbwrQ5AqVtvKLwA_BO IugZI7Due5yrn2NzUdTWUJ87UCH0yCyDrdI3kZGO4alhH.uoOKOqByOOfSww t6SOeIImG3G5EtsF7XIWIGbQHmH6VC6A9hDsOyGID_EpJIyookjao0SSWdQk uUzBgHqjwiZ4ABt2M45NN1WbzETg4ye55lZVivMDJ38vEnm8ecWdhZL7yfAv Tria.WP6g0POXOjMwA6CrnegKNJqbbGrolMPWihdtq1vGO4C2mkzqkXG06_L fxuS7xhqS1ryHD1N1xT8sxNrJsDJtb.kVXijsx9McC6ggNLFPY4.GonZIj5U 7bTkpNaaFHZpFQYj4vvvv.dh06TXDu6vfghPz0YyBC_LjHGEEzi_e.eaTGUB M8PHEtikPC4_LSOuFVmsBOFxPhuJPZB22HjP8u1et9DUi3jbiVE2cADqSJsm m4LaEOHBum0A7m8oPNF2P1wt19otB7.s3S7hOJSzWOG21sADLAEbOvDvTuC_ uOIn.SUbFwG3exk.GejJ4q6XcV482o3x6L1GDcWjZn.e13qEk1qEsYcBaFHY qMm1GyzJd3mi7FwN3Y26nwkcjP2kfr7T8Ji6W2rkeqTYnOJB2LmPpBeNIT4R LbZM5e2U3mKU2.oDCHNKfp.Fqzuamhx5ar6ntufgrsDXVUFTdCIw6olIJ0Dw chplM_dI9PC8YyLuoZ72Q9qpXJQi0kMT5ARI1XqtcLCHvgpmAF_6HrUhbkhK DB1U3TS2ebU0cygvECuLoGDK2Zi8YJWAGecxW6jPCJW8Snkw_Z5cn.4gdDON cTCv8zJbYA77pS0GROm7EZZHDZddUSdAf1bvE5Xb3AyJa6rXNj4cDLfbFMSW LfVJdMjab077.D0aaiehDls9hAYPkYNNIRtSqTZXzSuISO0VGJDPuQJaccly cqNseV2elNX2U1FY9wpBFu4kHNQ_rG5jEMqyB0Kl9.y7YcafxOIJkXjUogQu DGpIS_o3ai7VVwzwSbQli9NiidpLVVWTFb9N3Y_Sl.ffJkoIeCr4jBqqJoRP Yii.trNNrlMzXbXbTriXy.LLo3PulXByKl3QRAJZw.w8PDSHYLTxvUoHa4J1 foOSw1sxy1wQ5KDfVzSbBCJTdO945.UDLTFaukwRc.ctgac8vSofGdKJpku5 2DYE2sSSBgEBxy9n7dhketaD2lWPeLUpa8ggPvSMdXx9KJfbUK1KvO5oG2Af ur2fzJ4aDXQG1hDTat2waJjqUWvxbwHv.gOgOaTqMEVSiWt04Zib0JsSo1T5 B4vVhiuWLbrK1oNvqgO0K2xHKT4trFYfjk26SlKzh2wCtCEq.qdnRSH8Kl38 yXP6.aIy6bLZjFdB238qEDydG7qrNVJ4dngz_KuSFgHfbPr.QZcTORGXia4z kb_nGBWY6J5kwAr.Yuin1C64XfMoWdSAi0kG2f95.4K8DVwlvmacRxgH_tmF uaIwx9LkGAgpujeJ2g_DypcSPaFYgbaYnJCfRZu0W6lr.kVaWemsOJ8_9pXA gHYGE_IsqAjZlZP4XWh7zgUBCwPPvbO.FdEh5v3qLjDjA5njGaonlZ_LHEt6 YgJtIH4TREWeq7UIn5fxnT1qGs56oT9hqFE5rQ5.HREJ0E1rRW2gWUutvL4m otjhfqVN1IBmsLoRiY1z3RYxQWwVHxiakJjgpsq53A9oSm5pyfo6GSKLDb0z w_Bpppi6T7j6r0bxIvOuSEHUPeHkPjJo2QuP7DZWtJamMoUj.j34X8e0U8kI 7V6kvZUMxC7nA0KklfHGyRd6051kioqwvT86OHET5IsN89pm2hWf.m6YtYFF z0lcdJfJj8eseR4ADKpxTVHnirMnFFNY6lv8eRPgesbnFgLdkmbtKtD1rp50 1GF45ldmYBDMvw0fj3Nk9c3x0UJ.2fVdJbGYVOW8gvr8RySomYxJijJLFKq. 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Hope soon to get some Kw's tests in 2 x 15 kHz= am stereo, power of a few kW's. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: onsdag, 26 oktober 2011 15:01 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 17, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > the best arrays for cquam are a blaw knox 1/2 wave over a full 120 1/4 wa= ve=20 > radials Actually, they had Severe Self Interference problems, and that is why the s= tations that still have them had to extend or shorten them. They got their = theory wrong Those big Diamonds in the air are Pretty and look like "RA= DIO" but are not the best choice as an antenna. > fed by and open feed line. Roy, you might wanna go out and visit a Blaw-Knox Site like WLW. Back in th= e day, they used a Monster Coaxial cable to feed the 500 KW Signal to the t= ower. Now they use a Modern Coaxial Cable to feed the ATU. > wsm has one of these which is part of why=20 > they sound as good as fm out to 90 miles from transmitter. It would be even better if they had a 5/8 Wave Monopole. > if they still ran cquam and you had a reciever for it i bet they would so= und just like fm. AM Stereo sounds better than FM Stereo because to is a Superior System. AM = Stereo does not loose Separation or Signal to Noise Ratio with distance as = does FM. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Wed Oct 26 08:24:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84594 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 15:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 15:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.252) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 15:24:56 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm15.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 15:24:54 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.168] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 15:24:54 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 15:24:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 335369.3709.bm@omp1009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 25954 invoked by uid 60001); 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No non DRM but am stereo analouge and drm on shortwave =C2=A0 Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: onsdag, 26 oktober 2011 14:47 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 17, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > the antenna system is a complet 2 towers with ground net in cupper, mostl= y into the salt water. Oh Cool. My WLTQ has the Copper Ground Screen in a Salt Water marsh and it = really makes the signal scream! > I,m in tuch with TRANSRADIO and we got a 50Kw TRAM TX few hours on air. Good stuff! Do you plan on any DRM Broadcasts? 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Oct 26 08:56:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58992 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 15:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 15:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f178.google.com) (209.85.161.178) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 15:56:01 -0000 X-Received: by ggnh1 with SMTP id h1so1670808ggn.9 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:56:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.73.166 with SMTP id v26mr47266084yhd.100.1319644561221; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y71sm3029926yhh.6.2011.10.26.08.55.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:55:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=IygCzrThQj_yhj0Y_98aXPgmTfAYJPtP3c_OEQXyO_Ovbaj0Hl3WeYvxfRdpEg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 26, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > did you get my pdf from the Solvesborg am station of 600kW, all is 25 years old, but in the best shape. Yes, it is nice looking station. > Hope soon to get some Kw's tests in 2 x 15 kHz am stereo, power of a few kW's. I will TRY to DX but them but it is a very slim chance I can hear anything, even with my best receiver and a 500 Foot Beverage 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:43:24 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:43:24 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.95 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=ffG-PDh2b27P5C0btDE-hyrvl_kMeGRxBRdj63TmacW88nU X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, now i got a grundig 1400 pro world reciever made in 76-82 with superb recep= tion all bands LW MW SW FM. A friend gave me this fantastic radio, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: onsdag, 26 oktober 2011 17:55 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 26, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > did you get my pdf from the Solvesborg am station of 600kW, all is 25 yea= rs old, but in the best shape. Yes, it is nice looking station. > Hope soon to get some Kw's tests in 2 x 15 kHz am stereo, power of a few = kW's. I will TRY to DX but them but it is a very slim chance I can hear anything,= even with my best receiver and a 500 Foot Beverage 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Oct 26 10:00:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11706 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 17:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 17:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f169.google.com) (209.85.160.169) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 17:00:29 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 3so2276511gyf.14 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:00:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.185.7 with SMTP id i7mr13624785ybf.112.1319648429365; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q4sm6576961anp.7.2011.10.26.10.00.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) In-Reply-To: <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:00:25 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=EL9rEXb9k7m2ukD4qwLhvyaseBOIRTv9XXVDPnNIj23DzhCWKwNIDJ2UB69cyw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 26, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > now i got a grundig 1400 pro world reciever made in 76-82 with superb rec= eption all bands LW MW SW FM. > A friend gave me this fantastic radio, One of the best radios I own in a Grundig Satelit 650. I am into Boat Anchors and have an RCA "Super-Brain" for my Long Wave and j= ust upgraded to a Lafayette HA-225. For Medium Wave I have a Halicrafters SX-71 and a SX-99, along with a Moder= n CCRadio-EP, CCRadio2, Grundig G5, Grundig G8, Sangean HDT-1X, Superadio2,= Superadio3, and a whole host of other tube and Solid State rigs. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 26 12:38:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90722 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 19:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 19:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 19:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 19:38:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 19:38:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:38:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: C-QUAM difference demodulation on narrowband FM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=-7OisLypl-JwA7kE-0lt5nWqXVUmyWZqy-ElGN2fuY1FKuVRQw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I actually did an experiment that proves this is in fact possible. With my = own AM stereo transmitter I played songs with very wide stereo separation a= nd with a communications receiver that detects narrowband FM tried to see i= f the phase modulated difference signal can be detected. It seems possible = at high modulation levels given that I just heard the stuff which is hard p= anned into the left and right audio channels with the lead vocals barely au= dible except for a reverb effect. If background vocals are hard panned then= I hear them dominating instead of lead. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 13:12:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48008 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 20:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 20:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 20:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 20:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 20:12:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:12:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.11 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations - real radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=p7SFvts3FTl3Z93pzV112tG2Ute_OwTPLbuIUA80o-ofP5X1Yg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! Thanks a lot for all our data!!! Now I know it is possible and I promise I'll do it more soon than later. BTW: In the Clooney's film, the country station is marked as WEZY. Was real= ly there an station with those letters? Is it still on the air? Another dou= bt I have is about the kind of records: in the film we can see a cylinder r= ecording, but I understand there was 78 RPM records (plane disc) at 1930's,= or Am I wrong? And, at last, if the movie is right: Which kind of antenna = is used that station? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Oct 22, 2011, at 11:39 AM, toledohamradio wrote: >=20 > > On the little AM stations that have the transmitter right outside the s= tudio, it's important that you do have a nice glass door/wall/window in fro= nt of the transmitter as I've already heard stories about how the transmitt= er takes a lightning strike and a little ball of lighting bounces down the = hallway from the transmitter until it finds a nice ground (in one case 30 y= ears ago, it found the AP/UPI teletype as its destination). >=20 > IF the station is grounded properly, that is not an issue. >=20 > > My defination of a 'real radio station' is exactly that: a live, local = DJ taking phone calls, sitting 20 feet away from his 1KW CQUAM AM stereo tr= ansmitter! (Like WIRY-AM stereo in New York State - they even have some pho= tos on the web - live and local and stereo 'hometown radio') >=20 > Agreed! >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Oct 26 13:19:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87056 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 20:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 20:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.148) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 20:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 20:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 20:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 20:19:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:19:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.11 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: C-QUAM difference demodulation on narrowband FM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6KUcWoGv7Vz3pLeON4g9OCjs4OyEjsqcGNDM0RM9YUdfHGQGUg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I heard some old radio ham to speak about to decode the SSB signal with an = FM decoder. I don't remember if I experimeted with that but... the C-QUAM i= s a kind of phase modulation (and if you use -90 phasing into the L-R chann= el you'll get ISB wich is SSB, at last) so... All the stereo AM process is a PM process too. If you use hard panned stere= o audio, of course the phase mod products will be huge. The question is... Is it legal? I mean, the total RF bandwidth... Is inside= the max 20 kHz AM channel? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas" wrote: > > I actually did an experiment that proves this is in fact possible. With m= y own AM stereo transmitter I played songs with very wide stereo separation= and with a communications receiver that detects narrowband FM tried to see= if the phase modulated difference signal can be detected. It seems possibl= e at high modulation levels given that I just heard the stuff which is hard= panned into the left and right audio channels with the lead vocals barely = audible except for a reverb effect. If background vocals are hard panned th= en I hear them dominating instead of lead. > From bratina501@msn.com Wed Oct 26 13:41:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17480 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 20:41:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 20:41:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.102) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 20:41:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 20:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 20:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 20:40:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:40:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: C-QUAM difference demodulation on narrowband FM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=YmETlrIgmXNCJOV0BLcrMr4UREBETU9P2l9zH8pr16e2OUN5XQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 Its within 10 KHz actually and you can hear the PM components on the same f= requency as the AM carrier as I did not notice any offset. Yes this is 100%= legal it was approved by the FCC and other regulatory agencies for broadca= sting internationally. The fact that the PM component modulation levels are= high when wide stereo material is played might explain the modulation adva= ntage you get with C-QUAM. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > I heard some old radio ham to speak about to decode the SSB signal with a= n FM decoder. I don't remember if I experimeted with that but... the C-QUAM= is a kind of phase modulation (and if you use -90 phasing into the L-R cha= nnel you'll get ISB wich is SSB, at last) so... >=20 > All the stereo AM process is a PM process too. If you use hard panned ste= reo audio, of course the phase mod products will be huge. >=20 > The question is... Is it legal? I mean, the total RF bandwidth... Is insi= de the max 20 kHz AM channel? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope >=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Oct 26 13:50:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74698 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 20:50:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 20:50:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.161.173) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 20:50:43 -0000 X-Received: by ggnr5 with SMTP id r5so2330976ggn.4 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:50:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.9.13 with SMTP id m13mr2977581ybi.47.1319662242513; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f32sm8163804ani.20.2011.10.26.13.50.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:50:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations - real radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=zbzFVD0e9mGfe_Yyot9PBoVcDsnA9Z3cPXTO6MCmBrN2Of2v1nSzOfaJkUqHew X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 26, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Jota wrote: > BTW: In the Clooney's film, the country station is marked as WEZY. Was really there an station with those letters? Not until the 1980s when WEZY was an Easy Listenng Station in Tampa, Florida. Now those calls are on another FM in WI. > Another doubt I have is about the kind of records: in the film we can see a cylinder recording, but I understand there was 78 RPM records (plane disc) at 1930's, or Am I wrong? I don't think they ever made a Broadcast pickup for the Cylinder Recordings, until WBCQ made one MUCH later. They played 78 Singles all the wear back to the start of Radio in 1922. > And, at last, if the movie is right: Which kind of antenna is used that station? ??? Never seen the Movie, but the most Populat antennas in that time period were Top Hats, Horizontal Wires, Monopoles, Free-Standing Towers. and Diamonds. There was only one Franklin on the air and that was WLS 890. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Oct 26 14:12:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16721 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 21:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 21:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173017pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.17) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 21:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.180]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LTO008ZUYWHQYSF@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:12:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:12:19 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations - real radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a website called =E2=80=9CRadio-Locator=E2=80=9D, which lists stat= ion IDs, power, transmitter locations, patterns, etc. for U.S. radio statio= ns. I have included their link below. Of course, their information is not= always up to date, particularly with regards to formats, which change quit= e frequently. In the early days, recordings were done on cylinders. These were replaced = by flat 78 rpm records, which because of the high speed, only contained one= song on each side. In the late 1940s, 33 rpm (long play) records were inv= ented, which allowed 6 or more songs per side. Shortly thereafter, in the = early 1950s, 45 rpm records were invented, which like the 78s, only had one= song per side. The 45 rpm records were the ones with the big hole in the = middle. In the late 1940s, there was also a 16-1/2 rpm, which never became= popular, and was used primarily for recording of speeches and sales presen= tations. I may not be completely accurate on all of this, but it is more-o= r-less correct. Dick W. Radio-Locator link: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/home From: Jota=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:12 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations - real radio! =20=20 HI GANG!!! Thanks a lot for all our data!!! Now I know it is possible and I promise I'll do it more soon than later. BTW: In the Clooney's film, the country station is marked as WEZY. Was real= ly there an station with those letters? Is it still on the air? Another dou= bt I have is about the kind of records: in the film we can see a cylinder r= ecording, but I understand there was 78 RPM records (plane disc) at 1930's,= or Am I wrong? And, at last, if the movie is right: Which kind of antenna = is used that station? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wro= te: > >=20 > On Oct 22, 2011, at 11:39 AM, toledohamradio wrote: >=20 > > On the little AM stations that have the transmitter right outside the s= tudio, it's important that you do have a nice glass door/wall/window in fro= nt of the transmitter as I've already heard stories about how the transmitt= er takes a lightning strike and a little ball of lighting bounces down the = hallway from the transmitter until it finds a nice ground (in one case 30 y= ears ago, it found the AP/UPI teletype as its destination). >=20 > IF the station is grounded properly, that is not an issue. >=20 > > My defination of a 'real radio station' is exactly that: a live, local = DJ taking phone calls, sitting 20 feet away from his 1KW CQUAM AM stereo tr= ansmitter! (Like WIRY-AM stereo in New York State - they even have some pho= tos on the web - live and local and stereo 'hometown radio') >=20 > Agreed! >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Wed Oct 26 14:27:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51748 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 21:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 21:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.226) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 21:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.212] by nm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 21:27:55 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.61] by tm5.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 21:27:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 21:27:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 390624.49338.bm@omp1030.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 12920 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2011 21:27:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lDhPHgMVM1kbZ9N31usd3fchALVlSlaAdj7qzl6Nf5rCePg t9VjODsHNLMWWVcPYSeEwzxCNbnEaH4M8SQXlNkXmW5n44RJcXCEbfJayJLX tyLzuzoZMvt1pfdZVzJLdlpSHyfF24T9brLJNB5xMtew2FsTDk2lwy5FHbHs dR_ET3B_3iVF42bowFS3yeY34lL44TgncnTq1smUzf65U.IghBZLdK_qbOb7 AXPhkoZaHe.r_prG7RWyugLGMXvjX7bDAv_vHPyljr70velzy1p7lHJoIsE4 0jt2_nI5Ug1Pc__.Y3JDI.Y5DENAC55WL1LHUpjHJv_L7A1vl0NM8Istywp4 060SecAq3SDx80XoshVM12aM.Zh6yAfnnsPgtPypO21onF8PMqTP1l.N5BuF WS_GQbOZ8HkQhx2VYzmaCZnuf3KZdsRTmHvgMeFPBCCILzpv9KLokTaYvPm2 JMW0ZE_oR33Ihs8EiMQDUDhP5tt.2hVCKanwHkwb9ym.jwQ4xLvKyvT4vuwD _XkHKiU._K7kDBEjcPg3armgqFpWbFM49Wx_rWJJg919YvSaN0WO.GPoa56m leUZVtrNEwdN_QpyxOyt8qKNt__Hlvh3WAav4qbGMMv7lr1PSJHhr.zjUxXa .tmZosuM1_TfE4_mLy7AUywTWAeNSaLj7lawAjZKCtDJAnb580gQQtT_WN2H x.TcfBReZ1gojHNMzAQlyQn1Yw5lMG2sAboGlDDzvu99oFYGVsbHEOuMCJRh ypf_2Lg5K6yUWN_k73ZzqTvsxovsd8SkmwKBLHroaOTRu2jvp8YENeYdtaa9 aGGPKTrpgmEjJTRDaP.V9YLbI9.Llfg19RiQr01jXs3vK17h59EZ2F_cgJ4o tJyRoxhiX.d35pw__D0fy06roIs6ZY1SuIj.RwWYQKllpU7jips8pHsItLNW Z6M8xJJYkXtYm6Bv.7XbI4VzTeVGWmd5eu5soMMMQxK5xv7zJvP3fjkNcvhG 5xy36vDSi6EDcuXM2UrZctMob760pCyxFBcI791jX0v2FxroFJpj_RyU5BU3 mt.AzL26ULkbWCN49DxtpwlchYSosc7wRlt8QEE0Gf15.oOLJx9fA.3DsuZv uVYY5rMgO7VjNyVFbpgkNpB7HOAMUc._OEOnIUa_0WaTvyO9BCIxaxVQpkvR mBLGEqGoWik7llgYHbqnwSOuujTVaNNqV0Zd0TUmq7nwpZBpaCAfef6J2OvL hPHPLLPmf4FYYaTZYWgxIr14esCkp_PiPJnGimx1kWmVxY101hTuTM4KTsSu Z.7uUQPvDm5_6uoHqYDG.DKsdzvZVOgFhz_9T8XI4ovf8YzRp..Ul2zZfO4_ fX.0JxXLuWeYzsWlej7oVKQE2nYEYMbT40NQ9iyKKxSQDhcDXGHspOvShjhK bKGDjGleNsSlIvKoLrv5Ka1pXnBB8u0DMSLhfGUN0mWSZWvhM9_3SwKTrLOo 4RFCcgldOHk.N.QToPJWRfEeOlqQ2VHo4VF4B2k9Kldo2aSc0Yl3OftaPUy1 NQRtIFER4wiU59aWPYWz4s_CDpn4XzhUsPsZ94xhNlzvhIbJe7Nj_SnMvtZa _4RNJLIMvlq8.em.posATjD7xsUMyzOc33FVGYO0NuvoZw5GvnUICg3JzgHL dlifUwBdstzN6HcopmnovYuPwuvSczTFRG0oigy7OPmoIj3v7XFeDMo_vkBZ HYqyfPaF1LDEn7961QRZwnjnOCd7M9xfYpYilbaYfeFLnNJhWK.5ODE2b3CN 0eBq2soXWvahF_NNwvC8t7U7iP2uWY7FfSfyrlzCkNrKAqgcYe2KmISVuqMr 82CvKWNfDDhe.vrFQMmP75rPgsNeWQkSeFnDRicemEtwyg9aJB90yml5Cq_4 9kyb1IqQ3LgM4l2to44zAd8W4QkIP0H8FOM8Q2uDRRIlXIJz4RtJ3WoYq7Hn D6DaCChp0DM8OodkzNLG.liaMS5F8nPFhtNge9SC6elD_xCwFrs_XauUxKEM L6pxh6z7fotKIWC4akUPXPO69jDIR5NuxXL1ngQKJEaJ5quxZzmhiy5O.68K oiOhE5s76S9o_sFdODPrgS1B2PEIw2k506lU.JZdo8yZiv3W.LMjyv4RvMpM HcTt9TjD94bdl.7TIMqUazJfqzfc51gFQWNfG8S2RWxEygleh0cs8R_CHvv. aqJ4.faDsl5MZXcXi0JYKDqOvbM4yD6pY6_vO86ARWRhiQZbE9NrGgh8UouE aqq6OKMlzSJp0MvsBG68Ir9jyMRq7pxtIfGcpjJC6FovMbICrSSyTGoksDTB aWd2jKf8I8VU.A_TnZziTd6QLg7oCnTNXBbEBWAjmeLWbvJbynqr2LThSLPe wQMjnHFuGFd6yzDGRHdYSGAyezZfDv0l4PNaOiZGWrAltuhmdVTV4yRXdAvu z5ko6TgfLx9BFg94PwlDjGuhUAVDtRiALrmdFyq.mai9s.9c8Go1zRzBW5Ik DmIZ4gLcCug0D.o1t0lb0kgqBDqfksSRuX_J6Qyf06XwqYAXp3xf0YDR4eb. 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Currently I don't= know the mini power of TX to this very antenna system, 1 , 5 or 10 kW as m= inimum, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: onsdag, 26 oktober 2011 19:00 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 26, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > now i got a grundig 1400 pro world reciever made in 76-82 with superb rec= eption all bands LW MW SW FM. > A friend gave me this fantastic radio, One of the best radios I own in a Grundig Satelit 650. I am into Boat Anchors and have an RCA "Super-Brain" for my Long Wave and j= ust upgraded to a Lafayette HA-225. For Medium Wave I have a Halicrafters SX-71 and a SX-99, along with a Moder= n CCRadio-EP, CCRadio2, Grundig G5, Grundig G8, Sangean HDT-1X, Superadio2,= Superadio3, and a whole host of other tube and Solid State rigs. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Oct 26 15:37:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25293 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2011 22:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2011 22:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.141) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2011 22:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 22:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 22:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2011 22:37:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:37:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.164.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 50.76.80.33 From: "jimbo700" Subject: Re: WEZY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=bS_jVKVn1r4sZZXjyI9qPw8EdHkoVL18FEsqc0Cg2hZg4uM X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > BTW: In the Clooney's film, the country station is marked as WEZY.=20 >> Was really there an station with those letters? >=20 > Not until the 1980s when WEZY was an Easy Listenng Station in Tampa,=20 > Florida. > Now those calls are on another FM in WI. The WEZY calls were in use in Cocoa, FL when I worked there from 1973-1975.= There was/is an AM station on 1350 with the WEZY calls. In 1974 they ID'd= themselves as Y-135, but when I left in 1975, the official call letters we= re still WEZY. From jmrouse@mail.com Wed Oct 26 17:37:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89489 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 00:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 00:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2011 00:37:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16083 invoked by uid 0); 27 Oct 2011 00:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.152.82 by rms-us018 with HTTP Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:37:26 -0400 Message-ID: <20111027003726.53170@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: ldPNPq11wjOLLQtI6Gghtxt4IGhpZcaS X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations - real radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=jpu3mEN7iI_BxeILRM5VNmDBvQ2LGE9hpuldMgoasAJmH3-1v35V X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is a real radio station! If you want to see for yourself, the link is below. http://www.necrat.us/wiry_proam.html Reminds me a lot of WBCB AM 1490. Live & local 24/7. (No stereo though :-( ) Enjoy, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio Sent: 10/22/11 11:39 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations - real radio! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Oct 26 20:06:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29062 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 03:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 03:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.160.178) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2011 03:06:33 -0000 X-Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4so2856014gyh.23 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:06:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.86.20 with SMTP id o20mr7736446ybl.103.1319684792546; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5sm10827786anl.18.2011.10.26.20.06.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:06:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=KwJX7C1c0FBvGoRhIrnjRONa8F5vNI1gA9bebqZl9h7zYnDk9WMifawl8Av7kQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > is Lenoard Kahn rigth, is am better than fm in dynamic if they got the same audio, like 2 x 15.000Hz?? Very much so. Actually AM Stereo has better Stereo Separation than is technically possible with an Analog LP Record. > The twin towers of 1179 kHz is very well tuned to this frequency,from beginning 1178kHz Good. > Hope it can handle 2 x 15 kHz or the towers will burn up. That cannot happen. The worst thing would be reduced transmitted Bandwidth until you get an Engineer to re-Tune your Antenna Tuning Units or your Phasor. > Currently I don't know the mini power of TX to this very antenna system, 1 , 5 or 10 kW as minimum, Since the plant was designed for 600 KW, it will have no problem with the lower power. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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u=138024662; y=ylH-u4rP44aEpvzfyAKdfzfegUAe9GOjuNZyHGmeZ396i-U X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okki dokki, =C2=A0 maybe the towers are tuned to a bandwith of 4,5 kHz only, european standard= , but authorities can accept more like 7-8 kHz, if no interference of adjac= ent stations. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 27 oktober 2011 5:06 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > is Lenoard Kahn rigth, is am better than fm in dynamic if they got the sa= me audio, like 2 x 15.000Hz?? Very much so. Actually AM Stereo has better Stereo Separation than is techn= ically possible with an Analog LP Record. > The twin towers of 1179 kHz is very well tuned to this frequency,from be= ginning 1178kHz Good. > Hope it can handle 2 x 15 kHz or the towers will burn up. That cannot happen. The worst thing would be reduced transmitted Bandwidth = until you get an Engineer to re-Tune your Antenna Tuning Units or your Phas= or. > Currently I don't know the mini power of TX to this very antenna system, = 1 , 5 or 10 kW as minimum, Since the plant was designed for 600 KW, it will have no problem with the l= ower power. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 27 02:48:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14032 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 09:48:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 09:48:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f171.google.com) (209.85.161.171) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2011 09:48:13 -0000 X-Received: by ggnv5 with SMTP id v5so3348862ggn.16 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 02:48:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.189.40 with SMTP id b28mr50422277yhn.98.1319708892232; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 02:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10sm6799834yhj.2.2011.10.27.02.48.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 02:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 05:48:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.171 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=gG9DQlmxp-p6RVabjISP9FgGXtzi0-bNqgzSTmWaZhAg1Xi-oPE_9tbx7BJkUg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 27, 2011, at 3:00 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > maybe the towers are tuned to a bandwith of 4,5 kHz only, european standard, but authorities can accept more like 7-8 kHz, if no interference of adjacent stations. And you may be good for 10 KHz Bandwidth. There is one way to find out. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:11:58 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:11:58 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=8K2lommQcofUm6EjpG5vNtGYGCJt8sEh3Ddmx7x_J1s1j6o X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But the raster is 9kHz in europe Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 27 oktober 2011 11:48 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 27, 2011, at 3:00 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > maybe the towers are tuned to a bandwith of 4,5 kHz only, european standa= rd, but authorities can accept more like 7-8 kHz, if no interference of adj= acent stations. And you may be good for 10 KHz Bandwidth. There is one way to find out. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 27 05:18:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76296 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 12:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 12:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f181.google.com) (209.85.216.181) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2011 12:18:39 -0000 X-Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so3050065qyk.19 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 05:18:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.72.193 with SMTP id n1mr7519876qcj.221.1319717919045; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 05:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id et6sm7692152qab.4.2011.10.27.05.18.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 05:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:18:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=mr7XHmC1x5sPQ33AAji5YSeTkfGw6j4ldknIVkaS8TY9itc5LoJmxg2ufM9prA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 27, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > But the raster is 9kHz in europe 9 KHz is the Band Spacing, but you can get better Bandwidth than that, as long as you don't interfere with another station. Get a Pre-NRSC Processor and you can broadcast beyond 15 KHz Bandwidth. If you can find an old Optimod 9100A/2, that is the Cat's Meow as far as AM Stereo Sound goes. The CRL Stereo Amigo AM is another good one. If you don't mind getting away from "One-Box Solutions", 2 DAP 310s strapped together for Stereo sounds good, as does a couple of Kahn Good-N-Loud boxes. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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u=138024662; y=UN4SNXm6q5ZYwMu2-GWFHEvRN7uR_3WOsWaVf7_bpwNfLWY X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kevin, =C2=A0 wich part of US are you living in?? Still no news about the negotiations, b= ut i was in contact with MEDICU and did get an offer of 4 tuners and I hope= to get that small=C2=A0 am-stereo tx from greece plus an amplifier, course= I not sure that a 20 watt can get power in a 600kW's antenna system. if we= use 600kW's we get 2000kW's towards England and benelux and in the second = direction to Baltic States and 1500kW's toward Norway... Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 27 oktober 2011 14:18 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 27, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > But the raster is 9kHz in europe 9 KHz is the Band Spacing, but you can get better Bandwidth than that, as l= ong as you don't interfere with another station. Get a Pre-NRSC Processor a= nd you can broadcast beyond 15 KHz Bandwidth. If you can find an old Optimod 9100A/2, that is the Cat's Meow as far as AM= Stereo Sound goes. The CRL Stereo Amigo AM is another good one. If you don= 't mind getting away from "One-Box Solutions", 2 DAP 310s strapped together= for Stereo sounds good, as does a couple of Kahn Good-N-Loud boxes. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 27 06:29:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59067 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 13:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 13:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f54.google.com) (209.85.216.54) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2011 13:29:38 -0000 X-Received: by qadz32 with SMTP id z32so3546146qad.13 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:29:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.69.212 with SMTP id a20mr7884465qcj.97.1319722177344; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2sm7989327qad.18.2011.10.27.06.29.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:29:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=AEYV3siUxg6C6CfILNltvGzKc_tiAX8sbg02sdwkqal4gMwskl6lUx3XAQBTig X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Oct 27, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > wich part of US are you living in?? Upstate South Carolina. That is in the Southeast US. > Still no news about the negotiations, but i was in contact with MEDICU an= d did get an offer of 4 tuners and I hope to get that small am-stereo tx f= rom greece plus an amplifier, course I not sure that a 20 watt can get powe= r in a 600kW's antenna system. My concern would be if that Greek Transmitter that is made for Hobby use wo= uld meet the more strict specs required for a Real Broadcast Transmitter. > if we use 600kW's we get 2000kW's towards England and benelux and in the = second direction to Baltic States and 1500kW's toward Norway=85 So why not drive the big transmitter with an AM Stereo Exciter? Almpst any = good Broadcast Engineer could set that up for you. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Oct 27 06:51:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37710 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 13:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 13:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.115) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2011 13:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.213] by nm20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2011 13:51:38 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.165] by tm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2011 13:51:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2011 13:51:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 701533.62147.bm@omp1006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 1500 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2011 13:51:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b7AtZ2oVM1nYPcMlwwT3M9093QDe5xCa9V1UU8wxzhR775q OsU4Wwkhw71sA71GYlC0NjrOIz4QAkgZPkfdqfF3aHepjPxlTR8nl4txNyIg pfCcXW9ln.kPssvn0s_iVyE_m35ix5Z6GzfksHhM2O052IW3vzuTO78cxcwx nm6QiJE_RceTzXgiXSwFz1V7726vWxr4lfCY7Cz0JFilqiDaSR9TK_qSjmqv t4sjuTw4pluCLtRAWxIRifJcngVtV6WX7WxJ8tdECiYcH4qn3AuKXMRls27r Z5HVNvQ9jTlORJIIQK9Hjpdp5SiW6B1k5R4lfZPh2HkgSftcPUQSRJdIycUj yxT4m.UtUWmtS4WClSRjplnt2YkWLX0ex5rvLd40v_V4lXGtWA80xjf8wicG zr2pKpOi3uLKW_8E0WuuZNNQvmbqyrSjdHsCMikw2dm6Yb7bUol0plYdqw7z 9.IYA7iyerYIlXQ2gZSX_27bpkXtPc2uEtkmOH_grCMbrZ_wLNRgJ9zoAKVy 68Ooh3hvfS8uySKdn2HufOp4yHUUzu4iYGUmPYYcfJCP6MW4VhPBrpQA512A zDS5NrLHfxZFp9DOnD53K3sKWXEEDyJBpzxaL10NRjmxrMqADFiOoZgweUM2 oYAJaK2WzWImm4fTHgavtz9RkVl0PjwRBfuM1ynSlSJ4KYVrjmrenE4R57NM BQtq4jbHzfFJy5iO2PXFRK0ilzseWvWpzqVt60gnwt55tT8TV_61HCz4ZBou X8xtOSo1j8E0OWIAUcR8ilalSNkP1lBfKjuJuJZZUj8YRywmc5a.oRuiaVkU Taod.zEJ4jekieSaDg542vn.mTf8iYzNqEvLmMocjrTGrMKmr X-Received: from [79.102.132.47] by web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:51:37 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1319723497.96496.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:51:37 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=dk6GMvCL0i3wTYnejHObEQGdx6mURvxOzRyYUMfvzMl1sGo X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =C2=A0 want to make small coverages test first of all. Current TX is from 1985, su= ppose not designed for wideband an stereo. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 27 oktober 2011 15:29 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA On Oct 27, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > wich part of US are you living in?? Upstate South Carolina. That is in the Southeast US. > Still no news about the negotiations, but i was in contact with MEDICU an= d did get an offer of 4 tuners and I hope to get that small=C2=A0 am-stereo= tx from greece plus an amplifier, course I not sure that a 20 watt can get= power in a 600kW's antenna system. My concern would be if that Greek Transmitter that is made for Hobby use wo= uld meet the more strict specs required for a Real Broadcast Transmitter. > if we use 600kW's we get 2000kW's towards England and benelux and in the = second direction to Baltic States and 1500kW's toward Norway=E2=80=A6 So why not drive the big transmitter with an AM Stereo Exciter? Almpst any = good Broadcast Engineer could set that up for you. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Upstate South Carolina. That is in the Southeast US. > Still no news about the negotiations, but i was in contact with MEDICU an= d did get an offer of 4 tuners and I hope to get that small=C2=A0 am-stereo= tx from greece plus an amplifier, course I not sure that a 20 watt can get= power in a 600kW's antenna system. My concern would be if that Greek Transmitter that is made for Hobby use wo= uld meet the more strict specs required for a Real Broadcast Transmitter. > if we use 600kW's we get 2000kW's towards England and benelux and in the = second direction to Baltic States and 1500kW's toward Norway=E2=80=A6 So why not drive the big transmitter with an AM Stereo Exciter? Almpst any = good Broadcast Engineer could set that up for you. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 27 07:24:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75534 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 14:24:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 14:24:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f170.google.com) (209.85.216.170) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2011 14:24:21 -0000 X-Received: by qyk32 with SMTP id 32so1265674qyk.1 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:24:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.188.130 with SMTP id da2mr3640607qcb.259.1319725460343; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z17sm8262641qap.19.2011.10.27.07.24.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:24:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319723497.96496.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723497.96496.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <193ABCC5-1A17-4136-9D72-CE885CE4A0BB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=RDQRla3ia_0BPNhLv5LuO-cCRHsnPFbDBn5nhe0LxFx-mlXt5L4dEoWuj_9Qtw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 27, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Current TX is from 1985, suppose not designed for wideband an stereo. While I doubt it would pass a DRM Signal, it should do OK with a C-QUAM Signal by injecting the Exciter's signal into the Oscillator circuit for the L-R, then running the L+R signal into the Audio input of the transmitter. What technology does that transmitter use? During the time that Xmitter was made, TeleFunKen was owned by Varian, who also made Continental Transmitters. They made mostly Doherty boxes, but also made some great Pulse Duration Modulation transmitters. Both did a great job in AM Stereo. I used to work at an AM Stereo Station with a Continental 317C3 50 KW Transmitter. I would love to get an 80's vintage Continental Power Pebble for this station as a Back-Up transmitter. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 27 07:28:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54964 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 14:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 14:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f182.google.com) (209.85.161.182) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2011 14:28:23 -0000 X-Received: by ggnq2 with SMTP id q2so3574571ggn.13 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:28:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.147.106.1 with SMTP id i1mr5109349yam.37.1319725702333; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r4sm15361824anl.5.2011.10.27.07.28.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:28:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=4SAWcjDVDe7sQaKujE3fyvi4SHf-_nKCUrpBL-GdVzQuBLlpRsXB3dncy3hAOA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 27, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > can have a talk to the TRANSRADIO company, former Telefunken, suppose they will know more, Yes, They can tell you at what point in the Oscillator to inject the Stereo signal, and if the transmitter needs to be broad banded any. I bet I could make it work, but I am kind of far from you. :-) Think the FCC would care if we set up a 600 KW AM Station here in South Carolina? Ha Ha 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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u=138024662; y=X_XPbEA8JyW6NqCkio2dI1IV2JHA2xsbRlklaOnlq-e-o6s X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many high powers are off-air in europe, plenty of space in the air daytime.= No adjacent stations of 1179 during dayligth hours, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 27 oktober 2011 16:28 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 27, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > can have a talk to the TRANSRADIO company, former Telefunken, suppose the= y will know more, Yes, They can tell you at what point in the Oscillator to inject the Stereo= signal, and if the transmitter needs to be broad banded any. I bet I could make it work, but I am kind of far from you. :-) Think the FCC would care if we set up a 600 KW AM Station here in South Car= olina? Ha Ha 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 27 15:01:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80981 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 22:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 22:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.94) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2011 22:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2011 22:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2011 22:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2011 22:01:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:01:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20111027003726.53170@gmx.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.11 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations - real radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1XdswN2Tput88V_RQNCesfNb7ZEZU78EacTO8Zqw2zJYSj4SMA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 SUCH A STATION, MAN!!! That's what I want to have, here!!! This is like the roots of the radio itself: at the country, from the countr= y, to the country, yeah!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope Hope in a better world, without politicians, without DAB, with a plenty of = analog AM Stereo stations, all over the world. LEAVE THE DIGITAL AUDIO INTO THE STUDIO, LET THE ANALOG AM STEREO ON THE AI= R!!!!!!! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > > That is a real radio station! If you want to see for yourself, the link i= s below. >=20 > http://www.necrat.us/wiry_proam.html >=20 > Reminds me a lot of WBCB AM 1490. Live & local 24/7. (No stereo though := -( ) > Enjoy, > Joe R. >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: toledohamradio > Sent: 10/22/11 11:39 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations - real radio! >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 27 15:27:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19137 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2011 22:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2011 22:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f174.google.com) (209.85.161.174) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2011 22:27:56 -0000 X-Received: by ggnb1 with SMTP id b1so3102323ggn.19 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:27:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.218.11 with SMTP id q11mr264828ybg.105.1319754475503; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm18792485anu.10.2011.10.27.15.27.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:27:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=47lcClg9E1P5cPykZSF5TmGJJ9_uLa9cqXhxqfwIe2yf5W07muEU8TqqCHKVmg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 27, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Many high powers are off-air in europe, plenty of space in the air daytime. No adjacent stations of 1179 during dayligth hours, Great, then High Fidelity should not be a problem. The last time I checked, Orban still had some New Old Stock Optimod 9100 B/2 boxes in the back as Non - Stock. and you can buy 'em cheap. It may be worth a phone call to them. That box is Brick Wall filtered to 10 KHz but is an easy Modification to 12 KHz Audio. It also has a pretty good sounding Stereo Expander. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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u=138024662; y=EahNWqssaj5QyR0JWVdjeJl3s4PwMwkQS90NsI3RRA7Ja5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, =C2=A0 the tx got an Optimod am, but i did never noticed the number, but it was br= own, could be the 9100. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: fredag, 28 oktober 2011 0:27 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 27, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Many high powers are off-air in europe, plenty of space in the air daytim= e. No adjacent stations of 1179 during dayligth hours, Great, then High Fidelity should not be a problem. The last time I checked,= Orban still had some New Old Stock Optimod 9100 B/2 boxes in the back as N= on - Stock. and you can buy 'em cheap. It may be worth a phone call to them= . That box is Brick Wall filtered to 10 KHz but is an easy Modification to = 12 KHz Audio. It also has a pretty good sounding Stereo Expander. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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u=138024662; y=YL-YrfFMyb9cj6stqvXdCE_WfZwXWNoFnynUvDemHm2OGsc X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, =C2=A0 the transmitter is Telefunken=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 S-4006=C2=A0=C2=A0 600kW's= =C2=A0=C2=A0 more info=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.classicbroadcast.de=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 schematic in German. Time for you to learn german?? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 27 oktober 2011 16:24 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 27, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Current TX is from 1985, suppose not designed for wideband an stereo. While I doubt it would pass a DRM Signal, it should do OK with a C-QUAM Sig= nal by injecting the Exciter's signal into the Oscillator circuit for the L= -R, then running the L+R signal into the Audio input of the transmitter. Wh= at technology does that transmitter use? During the time that Xmitter was m= ade, TeleFunKen was owned by Varian, who also made Continental Transmitters= . They made mostly Doherty boxes, but also made some great Pulse Duration M= odulation transmitters. Both did a great job in AM Stereo. I used to work a= t an AM Stereo Station with a Continental 317C3 50 KW Transmitter. I would = love to get an 80's vintage Continental Power Pebble for this station as a = Back-Up transmitter. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 28 05:53:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60341 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2011 12:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2011 12:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f45.google.com) (209.85.216.45) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2011 12:52:58 -0000 X-Received: by qadc12 with SMTP id c12so4495460qad.32 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:52:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.202.74 with SMTP id fd10mr2403056qab.42.1319806377957; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z1sm14093356qao.1.2011.10.28.05.52.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:48:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=o43bKUBt0g7AJ0yCileTpJAyLmoXM9W1uPKC8IbbMZoB6qMT1te8PvX8v2PMBg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 28, 2011, at 2:49 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > the tx got an Optimod am, but i did never noticed the number, but it was brown, could be the 9100. A Brown Optimod-AM is most likely a 9100 Series. You can get a Kit from Orban to convert a Mono Optimod 9100 to Stereo pretty inexpensively. Mostly likely, it has a 5KHz Audio Filter in it, being a Mono Optimod shipped top Europe, but is Easy to open it up to the US Standard 10 KHz Audio, or the International Waters standard of 12 KHz Audio. You will want to call Orban Parts Department about that, or get in touch with my friend Bill Sacks. He and his Wife are the two best Optimod Techs in the Industry. His web site is: http://WWW.OPTIMOD.AM/ To hear his work, turn up your speakers and go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ew6Hfz5lKo&fmt=18 And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAGyWzue6Rg&feature=related&fmt=18 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF_lSEUAS3w&fmt=18 Your AM can sound that good too! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:11:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94389 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2011 13:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2011 13:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f174.google.com) (209.85.216.174) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2011 13:11:37 -0000 X-Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so2087738qyk.19 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:11:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.101.28 with SMTP id a28mr640397qco.231.1319807496806; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v6sm14161248qaz.7.2011.10.28.06.11.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) In-Reply-To: <1319788448.41557.YahooMailNeo@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:11:33 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723497.96496.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <193ABCC5-1A17-4136-9D72-CE885CE4A0BB@gmail.com> <1319788448.41557.YahooMailNeo@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=qN1xuIl44ssS9ECsLJuQNAr85OiJfVCkPDmd5eWq2dKw6ZxUq_6XkgJMgTdyAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 28, 2011, at 3:54 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > the transmitter is Telefunken S-4006 600kW's more info www.clas= sicbroadcast.de schematic in German. OK, Your transmitter uses Telefunken's "Puls-Dauer-Modulation Anodenmodula= tion System. Just a much higher power version of the US Model Continental 3= 15R "Power Rock" You will have an easy time converting that one to Stereo Operation. > Time for you to learn german?? Ich kann etwas Deutsches sprechen. I used t go to a Beachy Amish-Mennonite Church.=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:13:09 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:13:09 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.240 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; 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Did yo= u check up=C2=A0 www.classicbroadcast.de=C2=A0 ?? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: fredag, 28 oktober 2011 14:48 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 28, 2011, at 2:49 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > the tx got an Optimod am, but i did never noticed the number, but it was = brown, could be the 9100. A Brown Optimod-AM is most likely a 9100 Series. You can get a Kit from Orb= an to convert a Mono Optimod 9100 to Stereo pretty inexpensively. Mostly l= ikely, it has a 5KHz Audio Filter in it, being a Mono Optimod shipped top E= urope, but is Easy to open it up to the US Standard 10 KHz Audio, or the In= ternational Waters standard of 12 KHz Audio. You will want to call Orban Parts Department about that, or get in touch wi= th my friend Bill Sacks. He and his Wife are the two best Optimod Techs in = the Industry. His web site is: http://WWW.OPTIMOD.AM/ To hear his work, turn up your speakers and go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-ew6Hfz5lKo&fmt=3D18 And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJAGyWzue6Rg&feature=3Drelated&fmt=3D18 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSF_lSEUAS3w&fmt=3D18 Your AM can sound that good too! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:28:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81433 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2011 13:28:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2011 13:28:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f176.google.com) (209.85.161.176) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2011 13:28:36 -0000 X-Received: by ggnr1 with SMTP id r1so4578341ggn.21 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:28:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.209.4 with SMTP id h4mr581560ang.24.1319808515261; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k20sm2347316ann.15.2011.10.28.06.28.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:28:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=iBFrEaQfo56vY1Yg8kJY-7fZ8NvYdmvNDzHHBqGfgU4JQgSozjM9ilrGKoqU7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Did you check up www.classicbroadcast.de Yes, your transmitter should be broad banded enough to not need much modification for AM Stereo Operation. The Modulation Method it uses can really deliver a High Fidelity Signal. I used to work at a station that used that transmitter's little brother, The Continental "Power Rock". Basically, a 5KW version of the same transmitter. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 06:29:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89281 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2011 13:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2011 13:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2011 13:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2011 13:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2011 13:29:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:29:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: New AM Stereo Station in Europe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=dpPSYJWiD9_dLulz00IkOVLWhbTvU5GCRiFN7oUA1xLfj8JO9ZQaZeA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio On the Optimod 9100, can't you just ADD one card in the last slot to make i= t stereo, or is it not that simple? Also, you will lose some power in the phasor, but you should be able to use= that 20 Watt C-Quam transmitter from Greece and be able to drive it into t= he tower and listen to CQUAM AM Stereo audio in your car in the parking lot= for sure! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=ykHWgCaeMuRqqnCyj07FPU4y9sEACivTOAc8TIV3Wedahm8 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John, just want to do some tests with 20 watt if no resistance from the feeder ca= bles, atu and towers not any ZERO out of the towers wich work as antennas. But can we use the=C2=A0 telefunken S-4006=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 300/600kw's it= will be great. Due to power costs, the service was in the 90-ties daytime = 10kW's nat. service and 300kW's international evenings only. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: fredag, 28 oktober 2011 15:29 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station in Europe? =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On the Optimod 9100, can't you just ADD one card in the last slot to make i= t stereo, or is it not that simple? Also, you will lose some power in the phasor, but you should be able to use= that 20 Watt C-Quam transmitter from Greece and be able to drive it into t= he tower and listen to CQUAM AM Stereo audio in your car in the parking lot= for sure! 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u=138024662; y=khSHh6B0llJBtx1BoOe_manDtdzfRbQqNT7P4qC3PoYUcCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice, =C2=A0 if it can be done wider audio am stereo. Lot of people still love the am ra= dio and if they get wider quality of audio, enjoy it. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: fredag, 28 oktober 2011 15:28 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Did you check up www.classicbroadcast.de=20 Yes, your transmitter should be broad banded enough to not need much modifi= cation for AM Stereo Operation. The Modulation Method it uses can really de= liver a High Fidelity Signal. I used to work at a station that used that tr= ansmitter's little brother, The Continental "Power Rock". Basically, a 5KW = version of the same transmitter. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:52:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81058 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2011 13:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2011 13:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f41.google.com) (209.85.216.41) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2011 13:52:10 -0000 X-Received: by qadc11 with SMTP id c11so3755810qad.28 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:52:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.181.141 with SMTP id by13mr2786431qab.1.1319809929867; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bh18sm14340869qab.8.2011.10.28.06.52.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:52:05 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <310A58F9-4328-467E-AE0C-4A5015B34F52@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station in Europe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=KOn-gmRrayMgAwgkPJqlLJdx1ybA1QsJhRif1b-A3zb-0cVPswG1IseDeOzB8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:29 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > On the Optimod 9100, can't you just ADD one card in the last slot to make= it stereo, or is it not that simple? You change the inner face plate, add a couple of cards, and balance them. H= e will also need to do a mod to his filter card to broadcast High Fidelity. >=20 > Also, you will lose some power in the phasor, but you should be able to u= se that 20 Watt C-Quam transmitter from Greece and be able to drive it into= the tower and listen to CQUAM AM Stereo audio in your car in the parking l= ot for sure! My concern is that Greek Transmitter is made for Hobby use with an Unlicens= ed station. After you stick a 20 Watt or bigger amplifier on it, Will the S= purious Emission pass Standards, or will it throw spurs all over the band? A poorly made and engineered 20 Watt "Peanut Whistle" transmitter can make = a bigger mess of the AM Band than a correctly designed and built 600 KW Mon= ster, like his Tele-Fun-Ken. One of my Local Ams tried to use one of those = Ebay transmitters for their PSSA and Night Flea Power, and that didn't wor= k out so well, It threw spurs and harmonics all over the place. LOL They ended up buying a BE AM1A. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:57:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1133 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2011 13:56:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2011 13:56:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f48.google.com) (209.85.213.48) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2011 13:56:56 -0000 X-Received: by ywm14 with SMTP id 14so4597513ywm.21 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:56:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.114.7 with SMTP id m7mr2849664ybc.7.1319810215434; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b20sm24831193anb.11.2011.10.28.06.56.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:56:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319809391.21461.YahooMailNeo@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319809391.21461.YahooMailNeo@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6F74E420-1176-4BAD-B1FE-8C37635FB329@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station in Europe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=3z0X2U9_hJPK94zRK9f4tkOeaalAENZCIyOsulu-g0R1qqcFhAenN64-a7cdRA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > just want to do some tests with 20 watt if no resistance from the feeder cables, atu and towers not any ZERO out of the towers wich work as antennas. My concern is not if the thing will work or not, so much as how clean the transmitter's output is. I would hate for the ITU or the Government to come down on your station just for playing with a low power Transmitter. > But can we use the telefunken S-4006 300/600kw's it will be great. Due to power costs, the service was in the 90-ties daytime 10kW's nat. service and 300kW's international evenings only. Yes, those things can eat power. I used to work on a Shortwave Station that has a couple of 150 KW Transmitters. They loved electricity. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 28 07:01:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96216 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2011 14:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2011 14:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f54.google.com) (209.85.213.54) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2011 14:01:37 -0000 X-Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32so5469582ywt.27 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:01:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.174.105 with SMTP id w69mr3974949yhl.32.1319810496646; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w69sm12572307yhl.15.2011.10.28.07.01.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:01:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319809626.82198.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319809626.82198.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2DFE3C99-7EDA-416C-B1EC-02CD766C35E5@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Jl7EYptPzLCRcjpzFvyNlZIAagHowbnVfxBv-IZEmhQLu01R73F7b2MDjs-M6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > if it can be done wider audio am stereo. Lot of people still love the am radio and if they get wider quality of audio, enjoy it. There is a company in the US that specializes in marketing "better then most" AM Radios. They are the C. Crane Company. I have a couple of their Radios, the CCRadio2 and the CCRadio-EP. They prove everyday that people will pay more to get a good sounding AM Radio. http://www.ccrane.com/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 28 17:51:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13424 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2011 00:51:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2011 00:51:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2011 00:51:43 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111028195133102977800010> for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:51:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EAB4E0D.7060703@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:51:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:51:33 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20111027003726.53170@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <20111027003726.53170@gmx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111028-2, 10/28/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Country stations - real radio! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=LLKR5tNp8Txz397OurwoYzHZi8STKuNx9H1OHaAA0KWTXaUSV15P X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 10/26/2011 7:37 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > That is a real radio station! If you want to see for yourself, the link > is below. > > http://www.necrat.us/wiry_proam.html > > Reminds me a lot of WBCB AM 1490. Live & local 24/7. (No stereo though :-( ) > Enjoy, > Joe R. > They need to clear the weeds away from the base of their tower. Otherwise that place is one nice museum piece. 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(VPS 111028-2, 10/28/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=NQnzm918m53L58vnSYi5Gl9lvPPt5wZPag7_1ffKa0cvMhzRwWe8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 10/27/2011 8:51 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi, > > want to make small coverages test first of all. Current TX is from 1985, > suppose not designed for wideband an stereo. > Back when AM stereo was first introduced in the late 70s, a lot of stations found out that their old backup transmitters from the 1930s did better than their newer ones. The 5kW RCA Ampliphase was almost impossible to make stereo, though their 50kW which used a different feedback circuit was fairly easy. 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[24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f32sm29401209ani.20.2011.10.28.18.08.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:08:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4EAB4F8D.7080802@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723497.96496.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4EAB4F8D.7080802@usfamily.net> Message-Id: <780D42E1-4D58-4F0B-ADD1-CDEE808E2FC9@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=YbLikq-OB0FApKu-ABx8tVEfRtrs6HRStyErL-fGsUXeNpUYiHLH0HZTLH7rbw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 28, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > The 5kW RCA Ampliphase was almost > impossible to make stereo, My Local 1330 WFBC (Now WYRD) had one of those boxes and it sounded rough in C-Quam. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 28 18:11:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8631 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2011 01:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2011 01:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2011 01:11:39 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111028201131101436000011> for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:11:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EAB52BC.6030207@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:11:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:11:31 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111028-2, 10/28/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station in Europe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Fx6E9ZWPhuPHJ1A5EymUzXgsWyoXP28fc1lcQcTkS9cmP-YymFBI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 10/28/2011 8:29 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > On the Optimod 9100, can't you just ADD one card in the last slot to > make it stereo, or is it not that simple? > IIRC there were three- cards 9 and 10 plus card 5 which is a duplicate of #4; and the new inner face plate as Kevin mentioned. 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Whole sale in europe if we can get it = in 9 kHz raster and the x-band too 170kHz. Lot of pirates in that band. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: fredag, 28 oktober 2011 16:01 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > if it can be done wider audio am stereo. Lot of people still love the am = radio and if they get wider quality of audio, enjoy it. There is a company in the US that specializes in marketing "better then mos= t" AM Radios. They are the C. Crane Company. I have a couple of their Radio= s, the CCRadio2 and the CCRadio-EP. They prove everyday that people will pa= y more to get a good sounding AM Radio. http://www.ccrane.com/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Oct 29 11:02:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72810 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2011 18:02:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2011 18:02:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.78) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2011 18:02:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 18:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 18:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 18:02:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:02:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <310A58F9-4328-467E-AE0C-4A5015B34F52@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.43.201 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station in Europe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=iqBJDZRKxAivyeGJbvsVPXxk-wAU1Gb2Tn5CttrHn5A X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > > My concern is that Greek Transmitter is made for Hobby use with an Unlice= nsed station. After you stick a 20 Watt or bigger amplifier on it, Will the= Spurious Emission pass Standards, or will it throw spurs all over the band= ? >=20 > A poorly made and engineered 20 Watt "Peanut Whistle" transmitter can mak= e a bigger mess of the AM Band than a correctly designed and built 600 KW M= onster, like his Tele-Fun-Ken. One of my Local Ams tried to use one of thos= e Ebay transmitters for their PSSA and Night Flea Power, and that didn't w= ork out so well, It threw spurs and harmonics all over the place. LOL >=20 > They ended up buying a BE AM1A. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > Hi=20 Probably your friend didn't get the 25W (since WE don't make a "20W" unit f= or sure) or the 100W complete AMS transmitter from us, but either he bought= a kit - board (probably wasn't also one of ours), and then tried to amplif= y it...=20 Also nobody who knows what he's doing, will ever try to connect an already = AM modulated 25W signal, at an AM transmitter amplifier... since this would= simply NOT WORK!!! Standard - common AM transmitter amplifiers are not LIN= EAR AMPLIFIERS... and they usually accept modulation audio component at the= ir final stage of amplification, even if they use PWM, PDM, etc! They CAN'T= work with amplitude premodulated signals at their input!!!=20 They do need an AM exciter at their RF input, but that will not have its o= wn an AM modulation envelope, at all!!! It is just a frequency excitation (= oscillator) unit, NOT already modulated (except providing ONLY the L-R phas= e modulation in the case of an AM STEREO exciter) that has to be at a power= level of somewhere between 10 to 50W depepning on the final amplifier - mo= dulator needs! So if someone has tried to do that, with an already Amplitud= e modulated signal, I'm sure he has dramatically failed!!!=20 Only if he'll use a real LINEAR amplifier will work in this case! Otherwise= it is for sure a total disaster!!!=20=20=20=20=20 The 25W & 100W units are not just the simple kit or board you can find on E= bay... and sinve they do use different hardware inside with filters and oth= er related protective circuitry, they can be ours those that yor friend hav= e used!=20 I can't tell what I think he bought but if it is what I have in mind, then = yes he probably ended up with lots of harmonics and other disturbing things= ... :) even if he used a Linear amplifier stage... !=20=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 29 12:52:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43789 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2011 19:52:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2011 19:52:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2011 19:52:43 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111029145211103118200011> for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:52:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EAC5963.8020601@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:52:03 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:52:11 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111029-1, 10/29/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: OT- need speakers for my van X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lX3D5XYLPKjWq3OKIy1Yh8lCoZCIBrlvu9Vsx9aB2W9v_6n63m_P X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Got a company vehicle recently and it's a pretty good one for the most part, but the speakers have almost no bass. They're only 5-1/4" so I don't expect them to rattle my teeth, but there has to be something better out there. The subwoofer for my computer speakers is about the same size and I have to back it off. I looked at Crutchfield and saw impressive specs but poor reviews of their coaxial speakers, and the more expensive ones would need separate tweeter mounting which I don't want to bother with. Anyone have any recommendations as to where to look, if not an actual speaker set you're familiar with? Also stopped by Wally World and the only set that size on display was one of the ones listed at Crutchfield and could see why they didn't get good reviews. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Oct 29 16:02:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35573 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2011 23:02:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2011 23:02:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2011 23:02:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 23:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 23:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2011 23:02:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:02:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.252 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.80 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station in Europe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BldAXaxvCUtvxxjeuya6prJhnTM3OYDVMfb5WJODK_Cy7q046A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I wonder if the unit you're selling can be used as a pure C-QUAM AM Stereo = exciter thinking on a typical professional plate modulated vacuum tube TX. = Could it? ??? I'm talking about the final products specs (are they within the standard FC= C laws?). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > >=20 > Hi=20 > Probably your friend didn't get the 25W (since WE don't make a "20W" unit= for sure) or the 100W complete AMS transmitter from us, but either he boug= ht a kit - board (probably wasn't also one of ours), and then tried to ampl= ify it...=20 >=20 > Also nobody who knows what he's doing, will ever try to connect an alread= y AM modulated 25W signal, at an AM transmitter amplifier... since this wou= ld simply NOT WORK!!! Standard - common AM transmitter amplifiers are not L= INEAR AMPLIFIERS... and they usually accept modulation audio component at t= heir final stage of amplification, even if they use PWM, PDM, etc! They CAN= 'T work with amplitude premodulated signals at their input!!!=20 > They do need an AM exciter at their RF input, but that will not have its= own an AM modulation envelope, at all!!! It is just a frequency excitation= (oscillator) unit, NOT already modulated (except providing ONLY the L-R ph= ase modulation in the case of an AM STEREO exciter) that has to be at a pow= er level of somewhere between 10 to 50W depepning on the final amplifier - = modulator needs! So if someone has tried to do that, with an already Amplit= ude modulated signal, I'm sure he has dramatically failed!!!=20 > Only if he'll use a real LINEAR amplifier will work in this case! Otherwi= se it is for sure a total disaster!!!=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > The 25W & 100W units are not just the simple kit or board you can find on= Ebay... and sinve they do use different hardware inside with filters and o= ther related protective circuitry, they can be ours those that yor friend h= ave used!=20 >=20 > I can't tell what I think he bought but if it is what I have in mind, the= n yes he probably ended up with lots of harmonics and other disturbing thin= gs... :) even if he used a Linear amplifier stage... !=20=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Oct 29 17:07:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88948 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2011 00:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2011 00:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2011 00:07:00 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p9U06ukw017454 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:06:56 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgd001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.1]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5C159E000092 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9a74c.29498e60.3bddef1e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:06:54 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:411983232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494eac951f5b54 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=ulN0uhIye7OIvpCUU5wtiFcH8juVlIVW8Ohu4jMgpC7ktMA38Sdg X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I did a quick AM band scan tonight Saturday evening in South Carolina around 8PM EDT and KCJJ 1630 was booming in at times in AM Stereo with good separation. Playing music from the 80's, 90's and Now. I am using a Delco UX-1 indoors hooked up to a remote active whip antenna located high and in the clear outdoors. KCJJ makes a good AM Stereo test station for my various Delco AM Stereo capable radios. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From bratina501@msn.com Sat Oct 29 18:00:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29693 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2011 01:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2011 01:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2011 01:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2011 01:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2011 01:00:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 01:00:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9a74c.29498e60.3bddef1e@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=vqY2tvLSBeBD7BwlVuVD_iZ4Y_21VXkS-5SKZ84FZD44kCgcVw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > Hi All, > I did a quick AM band scan tonight Saturday evening in South Carolina=20 > around 8PM EDT and KCJJ 1630 was booming in at times in AM Stereo with g= ood > separation. Playing music from the 80's, 90's and Now. I am using a > Delco UX-1 indoors hooked up to a remote active whip antenna located > high and in the clear outdoors. KCJJ makes a good AM Stereo test station > for my various Delco AM Stereo capable radios. > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > My Delco UX-1 is still acting a bit funny on AM, it works for a while but a= fter half an hour or so I end up with SEVERE distortion along with loss of = stereo reception. After it sits for a while everything returns to normal on= both bands. This problem has been making me frustrated for quite a while a= lmost since I got the darned thing. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Oct 29 19:04:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57521 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2011 02:04:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2011 02:04:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f182.google.com) (209.85.160.182) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2011 02:04:46 -0000 X-Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11so334067gyb.41 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:04:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.146.181.25 with SMTP id d25mr1691059yaf.3.1319940285485; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm38794869anz.2.2011.10.29.19.04.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:04:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <40134849-4D5A-44C0-AE8E-3C9E79E94786@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station in Europe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=34lX8gmJu_kKiXmMx8rBI8eCUgXQMU5PoeGsmT1PQ5IWrFv3TwRRjHt6KHTN9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 29, 2011, at 2:02 PM, pdmtr wrote: > I can't tell what I think he bought but if it is what I have in mind, then yes he probably ended up with lots of harmonics and other disturbing things... :) even if he used a Linear amplifier stage... ! It was not one of your boxes, it was a Mono Transmitter. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Oct 29 19:42:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13747 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2011 02:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2011 02:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2011 02:42:37 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p9U2gZfi001395 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:42:35 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgd001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.1]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 57C27E000081 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d62c.518fe453.3bde139b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:42:35 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:397428672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d4eacb99b0f38 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=P5HUaKmEastYA4c0qViPYrlia2SG3-VSbBVNdYdxHw3vsipaLkjY X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 10/29/2011 9:00:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: My Delco UX-1 is still acting a bit funny on AM, it works for a while but after half an hour or so I end up with SEVERE distortion along with loss of stereo reception. After it sits for a while everything returns to normal on both bands. This problem has been making me frustrated for quite a while almost since I got the darned thing. Sorry to hear about your troubles with a Delco UX-1. It sounds like there is definitely a bad component that is acting up when it has been turned on for a while. I don't think anybody, anywhere, services these radios anymore. I have not been able to find a service manual for mine yet and I have been looking for months. Probably the only thing you can do is pick up another Delco UX-1 that is in good working order and use that one. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From bratina501@msn.com Sat Oct 29 20:19:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53694 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2011 03:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2011 03:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.180) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2011 03:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2011 03:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2011 03:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2011 03:19:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 03:19:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9d62c.518fe453.3bde139b@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=mJdNCq9FIUy7-cOj97U4O2qQVbFfqgVSDLrldfl2WGM1BvIDrA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > Sorry to hear about your troubles with a Delco UX-1. It sounds like there= =20=20 > is definitely > a bad component that is acting up when it has been turned on for a while.= I=20 > don't think anybody, > anywhere, services these radios anymore. I have not been able to find a = =20 > service manual for > mine yet and I have been looking for months. Probably the only thing you = =20 > can do is pick > up another Delco UX-1 that is in good working order and use that one. > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > Maybe but since I am in central Indiana now it might be worth a try to find= someone who can repair this particular receiver. After all I heard of peop= le working on the Wonderbar radios from the 1950s and 1960s. From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Oct 29 20:52:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48091 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2011 03:52:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2011 03:52:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2011 03:52:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22477 invoked by uid 0); 30 Oct 2011 03:52:07 -0000 X-Received: from 96.227.32.216 by rms-us004.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:52:07 -0400 Message-ID: <20111030035207.53180@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: 3/ufeqxd+Uf1elFf4WVypfx/SDc4NMyv X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=LuOihsnR8RB1YpyqP0v647nzzGX8xVxm5TjlFCOdUE9jZ6MGDn0F X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Delco UX-1 is still acting a bit funny on AM, it works for a while but after half an hour or so I end up with SEVERE distortion along with loss of stereo reception. After it sits for a while everything returns to normal on both bands. This problem has been making me frustrated for quite a while almost since I got the darned thing. This is just a guess, but maybe it needs a new set of electroltic caps? Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas Sent: 10/29/11 09:00 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Oct 29 21:34:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42523 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2011 04:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2011 04:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2011 04:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p9U4YRCH012595 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 00:34:27 -0400 X-Received: from core-mre002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mre002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.185.197]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 105CFE000085 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 00:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3e75.6035bee0.3bde2dd2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 00:34:27 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 271 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:324262336:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d4eacd3d33e86 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hfH6Gii9vKklUNKp8juO0tJ15lWnLZUnzPJjP_us4RM6PAvnw-_pXT_JTh9cQzmt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KCJJ always sounds great. Makes you wonder how they get that coverage with only a kilowatt into a single mast. I'd like to see their night time coverage with the full 10 grand. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sun Oct 30 10:28:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87376 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2011 17:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2011 17:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2011 17:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2011 17:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2011 17:28:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:28:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20111030035207.53180@gmx.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=Jx4BZW6-FJNWByweDf1gNKPDgQdxFwNJ8GrHlmqb57UM6kL9wQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > > My Delco UX-1 is still acting a bit funny on AM, it works for a while but= after half an hour or so I end up with SEVERE distortion along with loss o= f stereo reception. After it sits for a while everything returns to normal = on both bands. This problem has been making me frustrated for quite a while= almost since I got the darned thing. This is just a guess, but maybe it ne= eds a new set of electroltic caps? Joe R.=20 The electrolytics should not be going bad already but I will replace them o= ne of these days. I grounded the body of the radio and that seems to be hel= ping, one hour later its still behaving and picking up the signal from my A= M stereo transmitter in full stereo. Back on topic, does KCJJ have a direct= ional antenna at night? The signal seems hit or miss down where I am. From bratina501@msn.com Sun Oct 30 10:31:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80544 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2011 17:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2011 17:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2011 17:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2011 17:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2011 17:31:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:31:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <780D42E1-4D58-4F0B-ADD1-CDEE808E2FC9@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=VNaadRbdJHyvINk4lBqBtUt8r-IGvGBHmCfUifuhl1SGF6AYhg X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 > On Oct 28, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 > My Local 1330 WFBC (Now WYRD) had one of those boxes and it sounded rough= in C-Quam. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 That might explain why a St. Louis area AM station was only stereo at night= . They used an Ampliphase transmitter during the day. The name implies they= put out PM components by design. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 30 12:01:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93561 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2011 19:01:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2011 19:01:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2011 19:01:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2011 19:01:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2011 19:01:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:01:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9d62c.518fe453.3bde139b@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=lsfCmSYlZXb53D6qauB34gu4J_m0pHb3otJCb6IqFGS5u9gJxhWN6Ro X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Todd, do you have all the Delco connectors for your radio? Does you power s= upply still puts out 12.0 to 13.8VDC after it's been on for a while? What = is your power supply voltage and current output? If you have big bass peak= s, the power supply will need to supply more current; if it can't, then the= radio will "motorboat" (mine did that on a little 2 amp supply). So, befo= re you get another radio, make sure that your power supply has enough curre= nt and voltage. The UX-1 and the mid 90's Chrysler 5-EQ w/joystick radios are the best car = radios for CQuam listening, so don't give up on it until you scope out the = power supply. If the power supply is okay, contact me off list about a UX-= 1.=20 Also, the ODOT (Ohio D.O.T.) put their three traffic station transmitters o= n 1630 and I wrote to them asking them to move, but they won't! Imagine th= at, my 3 AM stereo frequencies I listen to here, 630, 890 and 1630, and the= y have to steal the one with the best stereo music! 73's John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > In a message dated 10/29/2011 9:00:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20=20 > bratina501@... writes: >=20 > My Delco UX-1 is still acting a bit funny on AM,=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Oct 30 17:46:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87956 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2011 00:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2011 00:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f54.google.com) (209.85.213.54) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2011 00:46:46 -0000 X-Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32so8054767ywt.27 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:46:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.185.198 with SMTP id u46mr13682618yhm.113.1320022005409; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o50sm23436647yhl.9.2011.10.30.17.46.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:46:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1319892804.18774.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319809626.82198.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2DFE3C99-7EDA-416C-B1EC-02CD766C35E5@gmail.com> <1319892804.18774.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=t8RL6bdxtCpSMJYiUnqy_te7s6ijkyEfY39-0IvZjLQDUnwzeowHuotxclNnCg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 29, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Did wrote them right now, it's done. Whole sale in europe if we can get it in 9 kHz raster and the x-band too 170kHz. Lot of pirates in that band. The CCRadio2 is 10 KHz steps on the front panel, but the tuning knob is in 1 KHz steps. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Oct 30 18:10:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: Amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49951 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2011 01:10:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2011 01:10:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f41.google.com) (209.85.213.41) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2011 01:10:41 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 17so6270818ywa.0 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:10:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.240.21 with SMTP id n21mr8811944ybh.67.1320023440326; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q4sm47232306anp.7.2011.10.30.18.10.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:10:37 -0400 Message-Id: Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service , AmateurRepairs2@yahoogroups.com, SCHAMCHAT@yahoogroups.com, hamRadioHelpGroup@yahoogroups.com To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com, Amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Extra Class X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=_hwCIPQXI4SRe0wDwuqXEyZ8S3kHQMh6PETqMbqpLoytF5kWPNkTMeXIHWKwDg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Not to Honk my own Horn, but I made Extra Class on my Amateur Radio License= This Evening :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Oct 30 18:48:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74032 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2011 01:48:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2011 01:48:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f177.google.com) (209.85.161.177) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2011 01:48:38 -0000 X-Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3so6143346ggn.36 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:48:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.14.9 with SMTP id 9mr8824750ybn.80.1320025717448; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm47487278ano.9.2011.10.30.18.48.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:48:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=N_FYVH4sHl9kWkMNe-QaLcWdnxps7cM7FnpfC9uhmEgsy0JPHgfyRCYCzMsCEg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 30, 2011, at 1:31 PM, nicholas wrote: > That might explain why a St. Louis area AM station was only stereo at night. They used an Ampliphase transmitter during the day. The name implies they put out PM components by design. IF they are tuned correctly, the Ampliphase does not put out any PM on the air, and they sound great in Stereo, but the 5KW Ampliphase is a whole 'nuther Critter then the 10 and 50 KW Boxes and are just too unstable to work correctly. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:09:44 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319809626.82198.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2DFE3C99-7EDA-416C-B1EC-02CD766C35E5@gmail.com> <1319892804.18774.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1320044984.55230.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:09:44 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=mPu00cwNlU36kPhaevUvmqdyTcrKhf2KqAfW4KliaUgx-nw X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok , Kevin. Don't need any bands than fm am, But lot of multiband radios got a= =C2=A0 great am tuner. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 31 oktober 2011 1:46 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 29, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Did wrote them right now, it's done. Whole sale in europe if we can get i= t in 9 kHz raster and the x-band too 170kHz. Lot of pirates in that band. The CCRadio2 is 10 KHz steps on the front panel, but the tuning knob is in = 1 KHz steps. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Mon Oct 31 02:00:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82394 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2011 08:59:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2011 08:59:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2011 08:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20111031085944.YNSQ1385.nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:59:44 +0000 X-Received: from DavoPC ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20111031085943.MWIB17136.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@DavoPC> for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:59:43 +0000 To: References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651 .YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1 @gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319809626.82198.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2DFE3C99-7EDA-416C-B1EC-02CD766C35E5@gmail.com> <1319892804.18774.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320044984.55230.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1320044984.55230.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:59:44 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 Thread-Index: AcyXnBYyimkXsL18TFqW/eL8UZycyAAC+4sw X-SIH-MSG-ID: qBk0F9H2TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7f8LbM+ksr21z9cNhKPO2gqZ6j0X4/Qs+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "ian davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know exactly how you should introduce DAB+ in the USA but I can say that you'll be glad when you do. In Australia DAB+ is only available in the mainland capitals (and they're trialing it in Canberra!). It should be introduced to regional/country areas when analog television is closed down in the next couple of years. I'm no expert. Apparently it sounds like an iPod. I have three iPods and yes - that it what it sounds like. It might be a bit too electronic and sharp for some. As opposed to warm like the sound of an LP on analog. But compared to analog AM reception . I love it. I loved listening to AM stereo in Oz from 1985 to 2007. I loved meeting all of you on this list to keep the fight alive. In a way it has been a war sort of won and lost . at least here in Oz. AM radio in Oz finally sounds as good as FM radio on a level playing field which is DAB+. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 31 03:14:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71297 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2011 10:14:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2011 10:14:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f175.google.com) (209.85.161.175) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2011 10:14:37 -0000 X-Received: by ggnj1 with SMTP id j1so6554911ggn.20 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 03:14:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.179.10 with SMTP id g10mr2355843anp.125.1320056075755; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 03:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q4sm50589649anp.7.2011.10.31.03.14.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 31 Oct 2011 03:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 06:14:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651 .YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1 @gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319809626.82198.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2DFE3C99-7EDA-416C-B1EC-02CD766C35E5@gmail.com> <1319892804.18774.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320044984.55230.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=gxlLBH3zFGMue4oYW7-1hccXQaT0x4q_so8YlnsVsThh592-RrZaipG2Recjfg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 31, 2011, at 4:59 AM, ian davidson wrote: > I don't know exactly how you should introduce DAB+ in the USA but I can say > that you'll be glad when you do. DAB+ as it is in Oz will never happen here because Digital TV is on VHF Hi Band where your DAB+ is. Honestly, our HD-Radio sounds pretty decent on FM when it is only split into 2 Audio Streams, but gets too Metallic Sounding with 3 Audio Streams. On AM HD-Radio is awful. The Digital Stream interferes with the Analog and it sounds worse than Analog AM Stereo when it is decoded correctly. Europe's DRM sounds much better on Medium Wave than HD-Radio. > In a way it has been a war sort of won and lost . at least here in Oz. Here, since most HD-Radios will also decode C-QUAM, there are actually more C-QUAM Radios on the market than there has been for a while. :-) > AM radio in Oz finally sounds as good as FM radio on a level playing field > which is DAB+. The NAB will make sure that never happens in the USA. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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[24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i67sm25362165yhm.16.2011.10.31.04.12.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:12:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1320044984.55230.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319809626.82198.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2DFE3C99-7EDA-416C-B1EC-02CD766C35E5@gmail.com> <1319892804.18774.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320044984.55230.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0F04062E-65C8-4917-9817-B957ED9A628E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Ctp1V1aeu8lkLpD3ijHltfVxOwlh0XoF2X8FO14--O7y8gWuqaCUergqKgu68g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:09 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Kevin. Don't need any bands than fm am, But lot of multiband radios got a great am tuner. The CCRadio2 is one of the best Mono AM Tuners on the market that is still in production. That radio has AM, FM, Weather Band, and 2 Meter FM in it. I did a complete review of the CCRadio2 that you can read here: http://www.theBDR.net/articles/ops/test/CiO-CCRadio2.pdf 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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u=138024662; y=z2tc-gYbUP-0BQoL-NuhWRLxeBFbQmqJy9Uzvevfdoqi5hw X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice of you Kevin, =C2=A0 nice pdf of the CCrane radio. Do you think it can be an option to have this version without weather and a= mateur band?? AM/FM only?? =C2=A0 Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 31 oktober 2011 12:12 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:09 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Kevin. Don't need any bands than fm am, But lot of multiband radios got a= great am tuner. The CCRadio2 is one of the best Mono AM Tuners on the market that is still = in production. That radio has AM, FM, Weather Band, and 2 Meter FM in it. I did a complete review of the CCRadio2 that you can read here: http://www.theBDR.net/articles/ops/test/CiO-CCRadio2.pdf 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Oct 31 08:07:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60421 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2011 15:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2011 15:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2011 15:07:02 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111031100645100088300011> for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:06:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EAEB985.50409@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:06:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:06:45 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111031-0, 10/31/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Extra Class X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=RUQ0HUkmKJSVIH7PocFoj5dEnscxFyKTV_kGXlMYzrqW8KHx4TOO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 10/30/2011 8:10 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > Not to Honk my own Horn, but I made Extra Class on my Amateur Radio > License This Evening :-) > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD/AE > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > Beep beep, honk honk, aaahhhOOOOOgah! and congratulations. Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 08:52:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73523 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2011 15:52:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2011 15:52:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2011 15:52:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2011 15:52:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2011 15:52:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:52:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Extra Class X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=AQpjotzMdB8ExnuoT3UqBCgx_bpJMM-8fSQwWcxofpD4pzbCbrMWmR4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Congrats, I was thrilled when I got it too. Still had the 5WPM code when I = passed it then, so the real old timers don't like us newbie Amateur Extras = with 5WPM or code-free! John, W8WJW --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > > Not to Honk my own Horn, but I made Extra Class on my Amateur Radio Licen= se This Evening :-) >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD/AE > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 31 12:01:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62220 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2011 19:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2011 19:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f48.google.com) (209.85.213.48) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2011 19:01:27 -0000 X-Received: by ywm14 with SMTP id 14so7831630ywm.21 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:01:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.153.3 with SMTP id e3mr18465415yhk.68.1320087686506; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q57sm27099901yhi.22.2011.10.31.12.01.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:01:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1320068174.61849.YahooMailNeo@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319809626.82198.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2DFE3C99-7EDA-416C-B1EC-02CD766C35E5@gmail.com> <1319892804.18774.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320044984.55230.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0F04062E-65C8-4917-9817-B957ED9A628E@gmail.com> <1320068174.61849.YahooMailNeo@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=dUjnEyG9W3Aewky4TcEL7UY3t4ZHceTD7FJlDRKSEFnKduWBuc-BWRv4Ba7HjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 31, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Do you think it can be an option to have this version without weather and amateur band?? > AM/FM only?? It is then the Sangean PRD3L AM/FM/LW Radio. They are not sold in the US. The only place I have seen that model is Australia. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Oct 31 16:09:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25400 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2011 23:09:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2011 23:09:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2011 23:09:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2011 23:09:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2011 23:09:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:09:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.92.251.185 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station in Europe? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=cpUUxu4SCKrbR_VGeLc_q5iOzHRvU6N1l6GI0hQebaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Juan=20 The small Part15 unoit is for sure uncapable to be used as a "exciter" for = a transmitter like this.=20 We do make complete exciters that can provide the L+R componnent at a speic= fic output on the rear, to be used fro final modulated transmitters. At tha= t case a setting from the panel, will disable internal AM and leave only th= e PM of L-R quadruture modulator to be present along the RF carrier at its = output.=20 That is the correct way to do it, in case someone has an amplifier with fin= al high level modulator.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi!!! >=20 > I wonder if the unit you're selling can be used as a pure C-QUAM AM Stere= o exciter thinking on a typical professional plate modulated vacuum tube TX= . Could it? ??? >=20 > I'm talking about the final products specs (are they within the standard = FCC laws?). >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > > >=20 > > Hi=20 > > Probably your friend didn't get the 25W (since WE don't make a "20W" un= it for sure) or the 100W complete AMS transmitter from us, but either he bo= ught a kit - board (probably wasn't also one of ours), and then tried to am= plify it...=20 > >=20 > > Also nobody who knows what he's doing, will ever try to connect an alre= ady AM modulated 25W signal, at an AM transmitter amplifier... since this w= ould simply NOT WORK!!! Standard - common AM transmitter amplifiers are not= LINEAR AMPLIFIERS... and they usually accept modulation audio component at= their final stage of amplification, even if they use PWM, PDM, etc! They C= AN'T work with amplitude premodulated signals at their input!!!=20 > > They do need an AM exciter at their RF input, but that will not have i= ts own an AM modulation envelope, at all!!! It is just a frequency excitati= on (oscillator) unit, NOT already modulated (except providing ONLY the L-R = phase modulation in the case of an AM STEREO exciter) that has to be at a p= ower level of somewhere between 10 to 50W depepning on the final amplifier = - modulator needs! So if someone has tried to do that, with an already Ampl= itude modulated signal, I'm sure he has dramatically failed!!!=20 > > Only if he'll use a real LINEAR amplifier will work in this case! Other= wise it is for sure a total disaster!!!=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > > The 25W & 100W units are not just the simple kit or board you can find = on Ebay... and sinve they do use different hardware inside with filters and= other related protective circuitry, they can be ours those that yor friend= have used!=20 > >=20 > > I can't tell what I think he bought but if it is what I have in mind, t= hen yes he probably ended up with lots of harmonics and other disturbing th= ings... :) even if he used a Linear amplifier stage... !=20=20 > >=20 > > Best regards=20 > > Sotiris > > > From radio774@yahoo.se Tue Nov 01 04:32:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3521 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2011 11:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2011 11:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.234) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2011 11:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.210] by nm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2011 11:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.43] by tm3.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2011 11:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2011 11:32:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 667794.76866.bm@omp1028.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 7256 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2011 11:32:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: d6Xa6MQVM1nN.m9nKuX93Z5exPXDUY1_G7jaCHjD.bvqo6W TnkMhaIFwPsIRghcbbrXil8VAwCk9bVEje9BewsYTmdLUnvSPB_pMDhf_y6x y5yCoV36V4RI_FepkhHDSE279eRV09axGFMbReV_uvogVThZbFnFfZVYY7qP C3tmtCBmlBSjCsM.DnI4Ivg54gFqpwWgGws3kc3xgvfFSJaw0zcaJXhzbxSe FCsqa48sgLsX5HQyFdqlgBjxzh6P1fICyl3moUGhCkrnDwB6fzTUQotfHV.I MC8xquLxhFKnEeRQzUCrzim4T4L2NLvzLztZblvm4vOWqpYagGRlLi1UwIPD gQEh6k8VBKTzEVsOmew3x7BpQfS3.dXd8hOXhD3csDtuxzUr.nLv.eibm20r 6KiJutrJjf0k0hCvXFmfhjxUTf18ji6YgGqAm8S3buBJemb.8SF2duoAi.pO 8gKqtAMZsSXVsKc6yHl9BeGqpbpugfwQW1VBSvYUAYua1BRnsMImWuyMzT0g .fDb1TvL8pQ0DsBxSZYf.3oTsPRgPPHO5Q716TQchjDQs5wMjNF.AJG_K7U3 tFDNzIn_lYf6DNv9end4kMrpkucln70uPgEanBX4_9pQ4TpX4TiS2W89Q6Ah FKrYffUDPcvL04dROvzP4noS9cTF5V8rT8ByYr27FJS2IL6ag7pWUEwQ0Lzv .SRM5Yx91b0JyQH5NfGNDrjKzOBr15.ChLMwwIub9xs_wfYFGlR1lKyJzIRs bLOzMgBR646EyVYtI6eWPzq6vjI5Sfo4.nPB45aO1egtrADW5p.dRHXpsgQQ nKjKUq7vrjPFhpDLpHwnDnjxm0fYQP1FHLQEC78I46IknlW5jFpq6ibGV5QR Vx4jyaAcrdImryYma2_D4P1uY7Qrn0J2p1ZBEx.8nRLOosaXwfm7303rA55O VolXeTtsigw9VXTUMbVIphgTrsg.LfV5bYKvWmlgpZlBHvEaMHFfCTtrRrRb DMNoeUO9z1PWhy2LDVwI4TsAr1VeuRfRtCB9UXod0q0EDdzdPa8gmAATmeWZ 4npkQGM2jDz3BdZCNYbiDCO0XpvkoknZ.6ZZe2SxIpP3g0keJUZmVqgy60xr 9LPlopNHqNGuXkY4tTNpwKQDugnUhzijpa2GVrhE4aFDxI3fzVZRumyT2KfR W5VPOMIyV5nGIsRA84GBjsDWMC0853IHI9Nges3iEIqIW9g_QgcVPoeRtUTq m2kAZuYrv8JkhL9MSEpdM_3nnJDpzWoLpGInrtxeJcGWK0OtsIxlYL2P.idn H28ln57NsxY.4E_3SznrTSEfDcNqBXGOj8XxcyFOd7WZcqGrBw3y_LJwrssV SD8EMf9P8DJCAAFzZyPfGpUwmjRmAEOHdKIjHhAVYmVfVyE12np0O98Wp._Y EMwSrG4kaZARCFoL3fq2nUytze6SEISXEuGiLNP8gRxruCPnJ.lENHPm1B8p IZOdz5EUiCuhh_oqWQvVQFaigdNi_RlBuBWBW0ZwjziJ7kYOKi1Pw_hUEFnV mNnRqX6Z4EJMHrqImQSNO28VzMngQrmsk4slqq3cdAsz0_rI95ZtkDPR6kM3 eTMqivIKQ5xKDgJTP.Dm1cOX5JyCOIM4MqHBHX2SJ5Ugvp5EjfFviZK2897l 0ce6vFNFIlLMGT9DZ0D95ikEaFQrDoS9fUw2Jbzu16GHtBtWcTR6NyN_juQu dzbxiS27LQJw0ePpJR82ZraEwWGVlL3GQgdgq.5vp9wfRvt1Tqnu8S3hcqd. 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Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 31 oktober 2011 20:01 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Oct 31, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Do you think it can be an option to have this version without weather and= amateur band?? > AM/FM only?? It is then the Sangean PRD3L AM/FM/LW Radio. They are not sold in the US. T= he only place I have seen that model is Australia. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Roy Sandgren Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Skickat: tisdag, 1 november 2011 12:32 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Same class of reciever as CCrane superhet. filters, sensitivity etc.?? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 31 oktober 2011 20:01 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =C2=A0=20 On Oct 31, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Do you think it can be an option to have this version without weather and= amateur band?? > AM/FM only?? It is then the Sangean PRD3L AM/FM/LW Radio. They are not sold in the US. T= he only place I have seen that model is Australia. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Tue, 01 Nov 2011 11:38:57 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319809626.82198.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2DFE3C99-7EDA-416C-B1EC-02CD766C35E5@gmail.com> <1319892804.18774.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320044984.55230.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0F04062E-65C8-4917-9817-B957ED9A628E@gmail.com> <1320068174.61849.YahooMailNeo@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320147137.4170.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1320147537.96672.YahooMailNeo@web28210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:38:57 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; 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Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Roy Sandgren Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Skickat: tisdag, 1 november 2011 12:32 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Same class of reciever as CCrane superhet. filters, sensitivity etc.?? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 31 oktober 2011 20:01 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =C2=A0=20 On Oct 31, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Do you think it can be an option to have this version without weather and= amateur band?? > AM/FM only?? It is then the Sangean PRD3L AM/FM/LW Radio. They are not sold in the US. T= he only place I have seen that model is Australia. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 01 06:17:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63970 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2011 13:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2011 13:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f176.google.com) (209.85.161.176) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2011 13:17:31 -0000 X-Received: by ggnr1 with SMTP id r1so8841354ggn.21 for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 06:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.185.228 with SMTP id u64mr22735949yhm.91.1320153451238; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 06:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q57sm31049895yhi.22.2011.11.01.06.17.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Nov 2011 06:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:17:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1320147137.4170.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319809626.82198.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2DFE3C99-7EDA-416C-B1EC-02CD766C35E5@gmail.com> <1319892804.18774.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320044984.55230.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0F04062E-65C8-4917-9817-B957ED9A628E@gmail.com> <1320068174.61849.YahooMailNeo@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320147137.4170.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=xc4MU78fCEy0y7_Ni_Vd3YGDGveQjkfQdyWIhOHoO2t2tSBizCKbBNQCoTFD-A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Same class of reciever as CCrane superhet. filters, sensitivity etc.?? The PRD3L was the radio the Original CCRadio was based on. C Crane had Sangean to Custom Modify it to C Crane's Specs. I have not had a chance to check out a PRD3L for myself, but I understand it is a popular Medium Wave DX Radio in Australia. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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u=138024662; y=RjD3_e_Dv0fvmGpUjO2sNbsiYYTzeKDyUVTteH8oIb3KPyw X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kevin, =C2=A0 nice pic of you on the pdf ;-). The radio is aviable in germany, checked up sangean Sweden and a local deal= er got it for 790 SEK. If we ever gets on air, i will sell this radio via the our radio station's = site. We will use the 2 towers even with lower power, like 50kW's=C2=A0 and winch= up a Tee-antenna between towerr to a second station on longwave with 50kW'= s on 189 kHz7 Hope the radio is great even on FM and LW as on MW, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: tisdag, 1 november 2011 14:17 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Same class of reciever as CCrane superhet. filters, sensitivity etc.?? The PRD3L was the radio the Original CCRadio was based on. C Crane had Sang= ean to Custom Modify it to C Crane's Specs. I have not had a chance to check out a PRD3L for myself, but I understand i= t is a popular Medium Wave DX Radio in Australia. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 01 07:16:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90652 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2011 14:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2011 14:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.68) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2011 14:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2011 14:16:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2011 14:16:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2011 14:16:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:16:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=CSrv9to8GPGjS1kZHLvWz32M3wKNKP6D-bVworv__9bbnaosXvSDgAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yo Ian, Is there a station like the old AM Stereo "Magic 693" in terms of music pla= yed? If so, do they stream on the internet so I could take a listen? From the=20 Universaly Sad state of America Johnny Electron =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ian davidson" Apparently it sounds = like an iPod. It might be a bit too electronic and sharp for some. As op= posed to warm like the sound of an LP on analog. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 01 07:33:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8778 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2011 14:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2011 14:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.161.170) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2011 14:33:01 -0000 X-Received: by ggnk5 with SMTP id k5so12755262ggn.1 for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 07:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.145.72 with SMTP id o48mr22862692yhj.86.1320157980745; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 07:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i50sm23087058yhk.11.2011.11.01.07.32.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Nov 2011 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:32:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1320156254.30557.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1318447691.91279.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1318483921.13910.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3A0CF705-954F-4144-A650-29747AD34E5B@gmail.com> <1318505636.29185.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <63E14130-F53D-4A20-A06E-284D6A36C597@gmail.com> <1318866132.38962.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8053A7DD-3325-463C-B7C5-84EBC7987279@gmail.com> <1319642616.3103.YahooMailNeo@web28203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319647404.32106.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319664474.94804.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319698802.7932.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <705AA497-2617-470B-8425-5AAFF7DDACC9@gmail.com> <1319710318.47416.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <716859C2-D8BA-4A66-BFED-3D330FA538E7@gmail.com> <1319719148.13651.YahooMailNeo@web28214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0250A584-BD54-42F3-8FC6-9628B29207D1@gmail.com> <1319723643.25903.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6A46DF46-AA0C-4B5D-B7E2-311ADDA6D690@gmail.com> <1319737914.38802.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319784565.17522.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319807589.12820.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1319809626.82198.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2DFE3C99-7EDA-416C-B1EC-02CD766C35E5@gmail.com> <1319892804.18774.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320044984.55230.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0F04062E-65C8-4917-9817-B957ED9A628E@gmail.com> <1320068174.61849.YahooMailNeo@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320147137.4170.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320156254.30557.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3F0DBBA8-4396-4CF8-B172-2933448AD910@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=gCqBWFVu8QC0gt5q9s0kqAApveHK3OMqxexquaVj5qk1L_tE_1K9KY37RrWpBw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 1, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > nice pic of you on the pdf ;-). Thanks. > The radio is aviable in germany, checked up sangean Sweden and a local dealer got it for 790 SEK. > If we ever gets on air, i will sell this radio via the our radio station's site. Good. > We will use the 2 towers even with lower power, like 50kW's and winch up a Tee-antenna between towerr to a second station on longwave with 50kW's on 189 kHz7 To do so would require a Multiplexer to keep one Transmitter's Power out of the other. > Hope the radio is great even on FM and LW as on MW, Mine is great on AM and 2Meters as well as Weather. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Tue Nov 01 08:43:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11866 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2011 15:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2011 15:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.150) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2011 15:34:30 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.208] by nm23.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2011 15:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.160] by tm1.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2011 15:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2011 15:34:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 832328.28341.bm@omp1001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85511 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2011 15:34:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ydlq2RQVM1kt28jvszhmwl7Qvp7ZGcPQpWgfbKQdCVz4Eub FKgR9lRzO X-Received: from [79.102.130.100] by web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 15:34:29 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: Message-ID: <1320161669.57307.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:34:29 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=ty8WE5EQ-IfqbtUnBcH10UcL1Qqik4WnY8avq9HxG7sOM0U X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wich country?? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: tisdag, 1 november 2011 15:16 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA! =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Yo Ian, Is there a station like the old AM Stereo "Magic 693" in terms of music pla= yed? If so, do they stream on the internet so I could take a listen? From the=20 Universaly Sad state of America Johnny Electron --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ian davidson" Apparently it sounds = like an iPod. It might be a bit too electronic and sharp for some. As op= posed to warm like the sound of an LP on analog. =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 01 09:21:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52606 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2011 16:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2011 16:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f177.google.com) (209.85.161.177) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2011 16:19:54 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f177.google.com with SMTP id k3so7810192ggn.8 for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.147.114 with SMTP id s78mr320002yhj.45.1320164394459; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm37878088anp.12.2011.11.01.09.19.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:19:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1320161669.57307.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1320161669.57307.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0B92DDDF-0EE5-4878-BBFA-EE9FD37D714A@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=xh3BHf18CxUBosyn8bZsIiXochwl9GfwFUvaVcn9fUbTG_IKerjBjiSEJtNnnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 1, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > "Magic 693" "Magic 693" is in Australia. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Nov 01 19:22:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 525 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2011 02:22:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2011 02:22:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f52.google.com) (209.85.214.52) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2011 02:22:45 -0000 X-Received: by bkbc12 with SMTP id c12so6215063bkb.11 for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 19:22:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.136.24 with SMTP id p24mr1775711bkt.65.1320200564580; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 19:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.22.20 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:22:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0B92DDDF-0EE5-4878-BBFA-EE9FD37D714A@gmail.com> References: <1320161669.57307.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0B92DDDF-0EE5-4878-BBFA-EE9FD37D714A@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:22:44 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=N8AdX3kXaF4a_Y4J6Q0W1oXTfLfDGm4becewTnkQRerPzDnL X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking of Magic 693 (now 1278), check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DodRA4tSxnqU Its a comparison of the station's sound quality in 2010 vs 2006.showing the frequency response of each. toledohamradio, do you want to know of any stations that play similar music, or just Australian AM stereo ones? I'm not sure if there are any music AM stereo stations remaining in Australia as 2CA appears not to be stereo anymore (Ian can you confirm?). There are a couple of Australian AM stations (ex stereo) with similar playlists: http://www.6ix.com.au/ http://www.2ca.com.au/ Dan On 2 November 2011 00:19, Kevin Raper wrote: > ** > > > > On Nov 1, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > "Magic 693" > > "Magic 693" is in Australia. > > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD/AE > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 01 20:01:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3563 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2011 03:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2011 03:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.212) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2011 03:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2011 03:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.114] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2011 03:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2011 03:01:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 408840.88205.bm@omp1019.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 91587 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2011 03:01:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: tNna_VAVM1kgKKcR7lgjBmtGczaSFr85G_GQgDIc.YwtFSl 9O1pHwfd_T770lZLkUdKuCC4K6HoV2gRXtu2IQFUa2qAGA4nZfw3PlH2KLmm PUfCwNNqq55sz0mpLpG4n615GZsnYrp2CEf8MY4CkDFraMLNHyvOHaO19ddB AjrGTuYnObQ_b_eZ4SCvIwWv.CoZOCjPsVNXLbmZFsiJZfvRxrN7txmumU7_ z3_HK02Uu5GzQbPahF2onpWiIF6nZQ4l9z7WINLX2kmpEZ2J1Ri.KBzjna6w QaGEfb3kqsJiMQgLWa5vPwDpZH8ABW4pRm5e8Qp4GlBTPFgIcnLlxywLcptM ZZG.WOQ9S9RDa.lTca.a5azpan5HLdpxtz8wn4oR8_mHXOL3ecVGSrpRd_PQ 9WdQPV.hyak6ju1LOPsWdUu6E4QkXeZfTnJ.9NQlQUdW7o3_qBqwH5xxqiYM 9pULDc9Sb17A9FIXd1wLD5CF4WU5L7sJ7P.B69.4YsAK9l6KWd97nZSlc5WB 5gIc68_7KJ71zLGKsWWbSyPKXAq5B3NMN1vO5tD7bQL60Wh9EGTzKNcETq6e 63rHvDkm5G5lbMoaZs6aMKqlAmTCzLBzBgn22PzD3wlHLEOCd8CL1.fQbBHU dp0DfWTP0yMFDUMfj37w8PAe.NLa7blzV.bmzZB2go_WuRmT0MwyGC6lc9sC X6CbVLIBKkm1Wzct9mh1X1x50cuAPpjtyhFJ5axHejaYR8CatrotXZBFjKO1 sAD8QTljTaMdB92XZTMdIbmOKgdEEr_TLtAV.yY17fRtL_lQB.Cne7.vDGKg EVVLxV2MD8iY.9gJEtNbRa5uZkrGjtw4CkeDjbzcbhaJUsXKEj.Qj1YbSsqs cWGiw9aqpjtwdp9a9AG8rl.MPeeNZfru1vQH49Z_8yGLi7vbzopFL0R_mNzR lILNlUxJhthnNwXc4dj9cY.vyRG9i1mwP2khb X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.57.251.81 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Nov 2011 20:01:00 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <1B2FC477A34D4E5B8D77A3A8956A1C1D@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <1320161669.57307.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><0B92DDDF-0EE5-4878-BBFA-EE9FD37D714A@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:01:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.212 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Ynvj3IYQLnMQl6WS0DpLtUXASzv_BvmL4EExpLViis_q8qaXKMrcp_Drws8Qbd9eTZmxQWbW X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Guys According to Jeff Decks station list www.meduci.com/station.html 4BC- AM STEREO Brisbane QLD Talkback is the only AMS in AUSTRALIA . Jeff Decks AMS station list is much more up to date than Kevin T"s Have a good one.Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 7:22 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA! > Speaking of Magic 693 (now 1278), check this out - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odRA4tSxnqU > Its a comparison of the station's sound quality in 2010 vs 2006.showing > the > frequency response of each. > > toledohamradio, do you want to know of any stations that play similar > music, or just Australian AM stereo ones? I'm not sure if there are any > music AM stereo stations remaining in Australia as 2CA appears not to be > stereo anymore (Ian can you confirm?). > > There are a couple of Australian AM stations (ex stereo) with similar > playlists: > > http://www.6ix.com.au/ > http://www.2ca.com.au/ > > Dan > > > On 2 November 2011 00:19, Kevin Raper wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> >> On Nov 1, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >> >> > "Magic 693" >> >> "Magic 693" is in Australia. >> >> >> 73, >> Kevin Raper >> KJ4HYD/AE >> CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >> >> There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >> standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=9F8ZvtZZrAdcCtR56kBTila5NNOibF_1u4Uft2dpttFBo0MyAgyakIJ4Hh_WCzxrzA999uIw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim smith Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA! Hi Guys According to Jeff Decks station list http://meduci.com/station.html 4BC- AM STEREO Brisbane QLD Talkback is the only AMS in AUSTRALIA . Jeff Decks AMS station list is much more up to date than Kevin T"s Have a good one.Jim Smith P.S I miss up the address . No WWW its HTTP:// insted. Jim S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 7:22 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why no DAB+ in the USA! > Speaking of Magic 693 (now 1278), check this out - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odRA4tSxnqU > Its a comparison of the station's sound quality in 2010 vs 2006.showing > the > frequency response of each. > > toledohamradio, do you want to know of any stations that play similar > music, or just Australian AM stereo ones? I'm not sure if there are any > music AM stereo stations remaining in Australia as 2CA appears not to be > stereo anymore (Ian can you confirm?). > > There are a couple of Australian AM stations (ex stereo) with similar > playlists: > > http://www.6ix.com.au/ > http://www.2ca.com.au/ > > Dan > > > On 2 November 2011 00:19, Kevin Raper wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> >> On Nov 1, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >> >> > "Magic 693" >> >> "Magic 693" is in Australia. >> >> >> 73, >> Kevin Raper >> KJ4HYD/AE >> CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >> >> There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >> standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 02 16:05:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65176 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2011 23:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2011 23:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2011 23:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2011 23:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2011 23:05:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:05:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.105 From: "Jota" Subject: KCJJ Dolby Pro Logic II Quadraphonic Signal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=K9z43_n66Gul4fFbZuW6Cw-Jqg87EEkj59OLUot3eFXEwaeLRw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! 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Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Nov 03 20:07:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12119 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2011 03:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2011 03:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.118) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2011 03:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2011 03:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2011 03:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2011 03:07:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 03:07:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 134.115.93.187 From: "dandocker" Subject: Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=OVImN_vYYlC3U5FNNeWPGMFOB8ISVggHyjmKAzGcF6I5wbhV X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Hi everyone, I just wanted to share some frank thoughts on AM stereo, why I like it and = also it's limitations. I think the reason I like AM stereo is: 1. Because it is rare and 2. Because of the clever quadrature transmission method. The stereo doesn't= take any more bandwidth compared to the mono version. However AM stereo will only ever be considered to be a mickey mouse technol= ogy by the mainstream if stations don't (aren't allowed) to transmit audio = flat out to 14-15khZ. It is my opinion that full frequency response is WAY = more important than stereo in determining the perceived sound quality for t= he listener. Most people even prefer the artificial high frequency response= of AAC+ compression, with its artifacts compared to frequency limited AM s= tereo. 10kHz response still sounds flat and uncrisp compared to FM. The AM station= featured here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DodRA4tSxnqU) sounds fantas= tic in mono at the 1.20 mark. This is the best example of AM I have heard, = even though it's mono. If anyone has heard better, let me know. An idea I have had was to modulate the Q signal in the C-Quam transmitter w= ith high frequency audio instead of the L-R information. In other words, mo= dulate the carrier with regular mono audio out to 7kHz, and put the 7-14khz= information on top of that signal instead of L-R. With all audio informati= on contained in 7kHz, there should be less noise and less requirement for a= notch filter. You could then use the rest of the spectrum 7-10khz (centred on 8.5) for a = suppressed carrier pure QAM signal for 6kHz of L-R information. My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not sure if = this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound great. What do you think? From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Nov 03 20:26:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6235 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2011 03:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2011 03:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f177.google.com) (209.85.161.177) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2011 03:26:49 -0000 X-Received: by ggnq1 with SMTP id q1so1156630ggn.36 for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 20:26:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.37.14 with SMTP id p14mr3072643anj.111.1320377209371; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 20:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k20sm23436931ann.15.2011.11.03.20.26.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Nov 2011 20:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 23:26:47 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9601E848-22AB-430D-9B66-E542BDF36D64@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=6yPjX2iz8_EFFWHOi2rTY1LxbT1OEMC7dv3mK3evPr18VvvBblp64taaM1pSzA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:07 PM, dandocker wrote: > 10kHz response still sounds flat and uncrisp compared to FM. The AM stati= on featured here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DodRA4tSxnqU) sounds fant= astic in mono at the 1.20 mark. This is the best example of AM I have heard= , even though it's mono. If anyone has heard better, let me know. 1600 WWRL Sounded better then any other US AM back in the 90's before they = switched to Kahn PowerSide. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DLHZe2bNJW7k The best sounding AM Stereo today is out of Japan where they don't have NRS= C Restrictions on bandwidth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYMAPKTnJtnA&feature=3Drelated > My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not sure i= f this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound great. Kahn's CAM-D is the best sounding AM I have ever heard, but there are very = few stations broadcasting and NO Production Receivers=85. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Nov 03 20:49:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66827 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2011 03:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2011 03:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f52.google.com) (209.85.214.52) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2011 03:49:37 -0000 X-Received: by bkbc12 with SMTP id c12so1820779bkb.25 for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 20:49:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.139.84 with SMTP id d20mr10850830bku.13.1320378576200; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 20:49:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.22.20 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 20:49:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9601E848-22AB-430D-9B66-E542BDF36D64@gmail.com> References: <9601E848-22AB-430D-9B66-E542BDF36D64@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:49:36 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=9pPlwonJ7vLzQlEemHoDmlR1d44HlooGjCaL3zyX5dvwlBmu X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kevin, WWRL still has a noticeably tapered frequency response but the stereo is fantastic. The Japanese one is good but the noise (adjacent carriers?) becomes annoying and wont be tolerated by the ipod generation. That's fantastic though coming from a skywave 500Km away. I like it how the Magic 1278 signal doesn't "sound like AM". It must have been recorded close to the transmitter I gather. I have never heard CAM-D. On 4 November 2011 11:26, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:07 PM, dandocker wrote: > > > 10kHz response still sounds flat and uncrisp compared to FM. The AM > station featured here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DodRA4tSxnqU) soun= ds > fantastic in mono at the 1.20 mark. This is the best example of AM I have > heard, even though it's mono. If anyone has heard better, let me know. > > 1600 WWRL Sounded better then any other US AM back in the 90's before the= y > switched to Kahn PowerSide. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DLHZe2bNJW7k > > The best sounding AM Stereo today is out of Japan where they don't have > NRSC Restrictions on bandwidth. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYMAPKTnJtnA&feature=3Drelated > > > My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not sure > if this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound great. > > Kahn's CAM-D is the best sounding AM I have ever heard, but there are ver= y > few stations broadcasting and NO Production Receivers=85. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD/AE > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Thank you FCC.Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: dandocker To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo Hi everyone, I just wanted to share some frank thoughts on AM stereo, why I like it and also it's limitations. I think the reason I like AM stereo is: 1. Because it is rare and 2. Because of the clever quadrature transmission method. The stereo doesn't take any more bandwidth compared to the mono version. However AM stereo will only ever be considered to be a mickey mouse technology by the mainstream if stations don't (aren't allowed) to transmit audio flat out to 14-15khZ. It is my opinion that full frequency response is WAY more important than stereo in determining the perceived sound quality for the listener. Most people even prefer the artificial high frequency response of AAC+ compression, with its artifacts compared to frequency limited AM stereo. 10kHz response still sounds flat and uncrisp compared to FM. The AM station featured here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odRA4tSxnqU) sounds fantastic in mono at the 1.20 mark. This is the best example of AM I have heard, even though it's mono. If anyone has heard better, let me know. An idea I have had was to modulate the Q signal in the C-Quam transmitter with high frequency audio instead of the L-R information. In other words, modulate the carrier with regular mono audio out to 7kHz, and put the 7-14khz information on top of that signal instead of L-R. With all audio information contained in 7kHz, there should be less noise and less requirement for a notch filter. You could then use the rest of the spectrum 7-10khz (centred on 8.5) for a suppressed carrier pure QAM signal for 6kHz of L-R information. My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not sure if this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound great. What do you think? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Nov 03 22:56:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77463 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2011 05:56:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2011 05:56:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f49.google.com) (209.85.214.49) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2011 05:56:26 -0000 X-Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2so2526200bka.22 for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 22:56:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.145.130 with SMTP id d2mr10710442bkv.78.1320386185540; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 22:56:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.22.20 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 22:56:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <58B4671D17DC4D6697D798B13CFBBA37@jim3slp85ju21o> References: <58B4671D17DC4D6697D798B13CFBBA37@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:56:25 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=cAvmLSw0u5LhNkx5cNKgFnusGsxT1fayBdRLwpyXR-Zf9wNO X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, I guess that since I have only heard genuine stereo on my receiver once (in AM mode) makes it a rare an mysterious technology :-) On 4 November 2011 12:12, jim smith wrote: > ** > > > Hi AM STEREO was not ment to be a rarety but coman like GE ZENITH FM > STEREO June (1961) and ZENITH DBX TV STEREO (1984). Thank you FCC.Jim Smi= th > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dandocker > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:07 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo > > Hi everyone, > > I just wanted to share some frank thoughts on AM stereo, why I like it an= d > also it's limitations. > > I think the reason I like AM stereo is: > 1. Because it is rare and > 2. Because of the clever quadrature transmission method. The stereo > doesn't take any more bandwidth compared to the mono version. > > However AM stereo will only ever be considered to be a mickey mouse > technology by the mainstream if stations don't (aren't allowed) to transm= it > audio flat out to 14-15khZ. It is my opinion that full frequency response > is WAY more important than stereo in determining the perceived sound > quality for the listener. Most people even prefer the artificial high > frequency response of AAC+ compression, with its artifacts compared to > frequency limited AM stereo. > > 10kHz response still sounds flat and uncrisp compared to FM. The AM > station featured here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DodRA4tSxnqU) soun= ds > fantastic in mono at the 1.20 mark. This is the best example of AM I have > heard, even though it's mono. If anyone has heard better, let me know. > > An idea I have had was to modulate the Q signal in the C-Quam transmitter > with high frequency audio instead of the L-R information. In other words, > modulate the carrier with regular mono audio out to 7kHz, and put the > 7-14khz information on top of that signal instead of L-R. With all audio > information contained in 7kHz, there should be less noise and less > requirement for a notch filter. > > You could then use the rest of the spectrum 7-10khz (centred on 8.5) for = a > suppressed carrier pure QAM signal for 6kHz of L-R information. > > My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not sure i= f > this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound great. > > What do you think? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 03 23:34:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92832 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2011 06:34:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2011 06:34:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.198) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2011 06:34:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2011 06:34:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2011 06:34:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2011 06:34:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:34:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.188.250 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=I3qz_a0UDGi6c65AcLSDr-wbLSWdMdesaR_WxJ5VxzYUfG0dhdhqLetVh1ynTd4odyBy4V98 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Danial I got my first AM STEREO in 1987 and it was the Realistic TM 152= AM AM STEREO TUNER and it sounded great untill the stupid FCC drop the ban= d with from 15KHZ to 10khz 1989? And the dumb FCC did not pick a broadcast = AM STEREO standard untill 1993. Thats what realy set back AM STEREO badly. = If thay stade with Magnavox AM STEREO back in 1980 or even earlyer like 197= 7 would have been much better. FCC started in 1975 and ended in 1993. 18 ye= ars that steaks!!!! Or if you want to count from the late 1950's 35 years. = Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hi Jim, >=20 > I guess that since I have only heard genuine stereo on my receiver once (= in > AM mode) makes it a rare an mysterious technology :-) >=20 > On 4 November 2011 12:12, jim smith wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Hi AM STEREO was not ment to be a rarety but coman like GE ZENITH FM > > STEREO June (1961) and ZENITH DBX TV STEREO (1984). Thank you FCC.Jim S= mith > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: dandocker > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:07 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I just wanted to share some frank thoughts on AM stereo, why I like it = and > > also it's limitations. > > > > I think the reason I like AM stereo is: > > 1. Because it is rare and > > 2. Because of the clever quadrature transmission method. The stereo > > doesn't take any more bandwidth compared to the mono version. > > > > However AM stereo will only ever be considered to be a mickey mouse > > technology by the mainstream if stations don't (aren't allowed) to tran= smit > > audio flat out to 14-15khZ. It is my opinion that full frequency respon= se > > is WAY more important than stereo in determining the perceived sound > > quality for the listener. Most people even prefer the artificial high > > frequency response of AAC+ compression, with its artifacts compared to > > frequency limited AM stereo. > > > > 10kHz response still sounds flat and uncrisp compared to FM. The AM > > station featured here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DodRA4tSxnqU) so= unds > > fantastic in mono at the 1.20 mark. This is the best example of AM I ha= ve > > heard, even though it's mono. If anyone has heard better, let me know. > > > > An idea I have had was to modulate the Q signal in the C-Quam transmitt= er > > with high frequency audio instead of the L-R information. In other word= s, > > modulate the carrier with regular mono audio out to 7kHz, and put the > > 7-14khz information on top of that signal instead of L-R. With all audi= o > > information contained in 7kHz, there should be less noise and less > > requirement for a notch filter. > > > > You could then use the rest of the spectrum 7-10khz (centred on 8.5) fo= r a > > suppressed carrier pure QAM signal for 6kHz of L-R information. > > > > My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not sure= if > > this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound great. > > > > What do you think? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Fri Nov 04 00:17:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47672 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2011 07:17:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2011 07:17:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.140) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2011 07:17:49 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20111104071748.PZHO3825.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 07:17:48 +0000 X-Received: from DavoPC ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20111104071748.CXPH22866.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@DavoPC> for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 07:17:48 +0000 To: References: <58B4671D17DC4D6697D798B13CFBBA37@jim3slp85ju21o> In-Reply-To: <58B4671D17DC4D6697D798B13CFBBA37@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:17:45 +1100 Message-ID: <74C2E34998D749E99ADE7EFF261FEF6F@DavoPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcyaqAQM7QTxPbHaQJClEhaDKivgEwAFdsQw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rBgwEND7TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7zhKrM/nsj2xDpcNh2PP2YqZ6T0X4/Qs+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "ian davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jim smith > Hi AM STEREO was not meant to be a rarity but common like GE ZENITH > FM STEREO June (1961) and ZENITH DBX TV STEREO (1984). I guess why I loved AM stereo so much for 22 years was that it was rare (at least here in Oz hardly anyone knew that it existed), plus the fact that I simply didn't like any of the commercial FM stations that sprung up since 1980. Frankly commercial FM radio in Oz is a disaster. We have piles of stations all sounding like clones of each other. They all try and sound hip, and programming is safe repetitive and boring. Never have we had FM stations trying talk or easy listening formats. They usually have two B grade stand-up comedians (either a male & female, or two males, - never 2 females) do breakfast, then assorted uneducated loudmouth clones for the rest of the day. AM radio here has much more personality . but sometimes they are a bit slow in appointing new young blood. I still love AM radio - but listen to it on DAB+ digital radio. It's so different to the secret that was AM stereo. Sony became the only supplier, and for most of the 22 years I had to buy my AMS radios from the USA or Japan. The average Joe naturally doesn't want to have to do this. DAB+ has now been in Oz for two years. All commercial and ABC stations are still promoting it every hour. In Melbourne we already have 19 extra free stations on the DAB+ band. Look at all the wonderful choice of radio receivers that we have available . http://www.digitalradioplus.com.au/index.cfm?page_id=1019&special=radios AM and FM signals are not going to be turned off in the near to mid range future. But already 7% of radio listeners are listening on a digital radio. In the 22 years of AM stereo I'm sure the take-up rate would have been less than 1%. Cheers from Oz! Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Nov 04 05:21:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52169 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2011 12:21:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2011 12:21:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f180.google.com) (209.85.160.180) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2011 12:21:42 -0000 X-Received: by gyh20 with SMTP id 20so3307448gyh.11 for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 05:21:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.132.3 with SMTP id f3mr3050870ybd.90.1320409301366; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 05:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l27sm27291227ani.21.2011.11.04.05.21.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Nov 2011 05:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:21:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: <74C2E34998D749E99ADE7EFF261FEF6F@DavoPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <58B4671D17DC4D6697D798B13CFBBA37@jim3slp85ju21o> <74C2E34998D749E99ADE7EFF261FEF6F@DavoPC> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=hRJ2CN7AaGY8MVjBFz1cmoFRfIoXNoxyW-XqJh1pa2UHU2qBDSiDzDqA_lr8bQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 4, 2011, at 3:17 AM, ian davidson wrote: > Frankly commercial FM radio in Oz is a disaster. We have piles of stations > all sounding like clones of each other. They all try and sound hip, and > programming is safe repetitive and boring. That is what FM is lie here for the most part. All Cookie-Cutter Automated formats. VERY few stations are Live & Local. > Never have we had FM stations trying talk or easy listening formats. They > usually have two B grade stand-up comedians (either a male & female, or two > males, - never 2 females) do breakfast, then assorted uneducated loudmouth > clones for the rest of the day. Easy Listening is about gone from FM here with maybe a Dozen station in the entire USA running it. The few Talk Stations are just Simulcasts of an AM > AM radio here has much more personality . Not here in the USA. Ams are all Automated with Sports, Talk, Foreign Language, or Religion. There are VERY few active, involved Full-Service stations left like WKDK or WQUL, but they are very rare. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Nov 04 05:31:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7319 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2011 12:31:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2011 12:31:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.160.178) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2011 12:31:57 -0000 X-Received: by gyf3 with SMTP id 3so2419058gyf.23 for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 05:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.129.82 with SMTP id g58mr13094928yhi.54.1320409916877; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 05:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c44sm15074238yhm.5.2011.11.04.05.31.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Nov 2011 05:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:31:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <9601E848-22AB-430D-9B66-E542BDF36D64@gmail.com> Message-Id: <8E8F3254-44A7-45B5-B803-BEA3943D4BB7@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=8rumtDvD1yQmhwUZKiqrw2oGih2pRZwYFNEPnpOxJogEyiuMUT8XfcfykPBASQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:49 PM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > I have never heard CAM-D. When I lived in Florida, we had a Local station using it, and it ROCKS. It actually improves the Analog Signal while sounding better then most iPods in the Digital Mode. The Total cost of a CAM-D Conversion is about $70,000 Dollars to a Station. The Inventor's Web Site reads like the ramblings of a Mad Man, until you realize he is not only a Top-Noth Communications Lawyer, He is a Genius who invented AM Stereo, and many other technologies that have greatly improved AM Radio. I will say that Leonard Kahn is the single smartest man I have ever personally talked to. and that is WHY I Quote him in all of my Signature Lines on Email. Anyway his site is: http://www.wrathofkahn.org/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 13:07:11 2011 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=34583;u=;t=1320441254;m=729264249;s=4020561563; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 14:17:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89995 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2011 21:17:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2011 21:17:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.120) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2011 21:17:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2011 21:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2011 21:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2011 21:17:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:17:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.61 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=aAJOO_lj8jS_hTU2J7aKwhsbL1VseqriRnpfgQhAPoDz6u-9Zw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Any analog AM Station, mono or stereo, can sound too much better if you cha= nge the infamous tuner IF filter, which is the main responsible thing about= the very bad sound in typical analog AM tuners. The same sound change you're talking about (at 1:20 of the video) you can g= et with the IF filter change. Any 1950's or 1960's vacuum tubes technology tuner had an outstanding frecu= ency response, with absolutely pure analog AM sound. The best example is th= e HEATHKIT AJ-30 tuner: pure high fidelity audio, up to 15 KHZ of audio ban= dwidth. I'm talking about AMPLITUDE MODULATION, Medium Wave band!!! It is a pity that some black hands had got to leave the high fidelity sound= only to the FM band and force the AM band to the very "telephonic" sound s= ince 1965-1970. I'm convinced it is a dark campaign against the AM stations, but I can understand why. If you are a broadcaster (I mean: station owner), and you w= ant to work in AM, and you can work in FM too, Why to try to "kill" the AM?= Aren't both good for your investment/profits? Isn't it better to have two = things instead one? ??? Whatever, it is a pity all the generations after 1970-1975 grew thinking: "= FM is good, AM is bad". It is the same ridiculous thing today: "MP3 is good, PCM (wav) is bad", eve= n anybody knows the PCM (wav) format is, miles away, better than any other = format (because it isn't compressed). From the pure technical side, AM is better than FM. Why? Simple: it is more= simple to broadcast and to receive (specially today, with all the solid st= ate world advances). One of the reasons I'd prefer to use Independent SideBands AM Stereo than C= -QUAM, because the PM sidebands, from the QUAM part, are like the FM sideba= nds: too much dense than the pure AM sidebands (in the other hand, ISB AM S= tereo only has pure AM sidebands). SO... The very good sound you're talking about from the YouTube video, can = be get from any analog AM station today, mono or stero, IF (only if) we get= wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide bandwidth IF filters inside the tuners. BTW, I can understand why the AM tuner makers use the very narrow bandwidth= IF filters if the price difference between the narrow and wide filters isn= 't significant. I'd really want to know a good reason to use the narrow fil= ters instead the wide. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dandocker" wrote: > > Hi everyone, >=20 > I just wanted to share some frank thoughts on AM stereo, why I like it an= d also it's limitations. >=20 > I think the reason I like AM stereo is: > 1. Because it is rare and > 2. Because of the clever quadrature transmission method. The stereo doesn= 't take any more bandwidth compared to the mono version. >=20 > However AM stereo will only ever be considered to be a mickey mouse techn= ology by the mainstream if stations don't (aren't allowed) to transmit audi= o flat out to 14-15khZ. It is my opinion that full frequency response is WA= Y more important than stereo in determining the perceived sound quality for= the listener. Most people even prefer the artificial high frequency respon= se of AAC+ compression, with its artifacts compared to frequency limited AM= stereo. >=20 > 10kHz response still sounds flat and uncrisp compared to FM. The AM stati= on featured here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DodRA4tSxnqU) sounds fant= astic in mono at the 1.20 mark. This is the best example of AM I have heard= , even though it's mono. If anyone has heard better, let me know. >=20 > An idea I have had was to modulate the Q signal in the C-Quam transmitter= with high frequency audio instead of the L-R information. In other words, = modulate the carrier with regular mono audio out to 7kHz, and put the 7-14k= hz information on top of that signal instead of L-R. With all audio informa= tion contained in 7kHz, there should be less noise and less requirement for= a notch filter. >=20 > You could then use the rest of the spectrum 7-10khz (centred on 8.5) for = a suppressed carrier pure QAM signal for 6kHz of L-R information. >=20 > My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not sure i= f this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound great. >=20 > What do you think? > From awhichello@ieee.org Fri Nov 04 16:03:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: whichello@velocitynet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71370 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2011 23:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2011 23:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO m0.velocity.net.au) (203.17.154.25) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2011 23:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (152.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au [122.49.202.152]) by m0.velocity.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696F38989C2 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 09:12:43 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <4EB46359.60407@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 09:12:41 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.17.154.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: apw From: apw Reply-To: awhichello@ieee.org Subject: Re: Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=_3NnZol0lRXKpCnL2iDc7j8j9laXnt2-9MLHY494H3wsIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 AM Stereo has had its day in Oz. The last music station, 2CA, no longer broadcasts in AM stereo. And to be honest, you had to listen very carefully to hear any difference between their AM stereo (on a good wideband AM tuner) and their DAB+ broadcast. When the AM tuner was in a good noise free reception place with no interference, it was great, but DAB+ doesn't have an interference problem where it has signal; as a digital service it either works or it doesn't. With the ever increasing number of switch mode power supplies, power line comms and other broadband sources of interference coming online now, noise-free AM is rapidly becoming a thing of the past. AM stereo may have theoretically better performance than FM stereo according to Kahn, but not in the noise-filled real world. In Australia, I would rank them as FM stereo best, then good AM and DAB+ about equal (and that's thanks to the low DAB+ bitrates we've settled on) and noisy AM last. If DAB+ here used 128kbps or better as the normal bitrate instead of 48/64 kbps, there's be no contest. A. 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Narrwor has less noise than wide mode. Wide works be= st for local day radio only. So thats part of why thay just picked narrow f= or over all radio makeing. Good night Juan and all. Jim S ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Blunt discussion about AM Stereo =20=20=20=20 Any analog AM Station, mono or stereo, can sound too much better if you c= hange the infamous tuner IF filter, which is the main responsible thing abo= ut the very bad sound in typical analog AM tuners. The same sound change you're talking about (at 1:20 of the video) you can= get with the IF filter change. Any 1950's or 1960's vacuum tubes technology tuner had an outstanding fre= cuency response, with absolutely pure analog AM sound. The best example is = the HEATHKIT AJ-30 tuner: pure high fidelity audio, up to 15 KHZ of audio b= andwidth. I'm talking about AMPLITUDE MODULATION, Medium Wave band!!! It is a pity that some black hands had got to leave the high fidelity sou= nd only to the FM band and force the AM band to the very "telephonic" sound= since 1965-1970. I'm convinced it is a dark campaign against the AM stations, but I can un= derstand why. If you are a broadcaster (I mean: station owner), and you wan= t to work in AM, and you can work in FM too, Why to try to "kill" the AM? A= ren't both good for your investment/profits? Isn't it better to have two th= ings instead one? ??? Whatever, it is a pity all the generations after 1970-1975 grew thinking:= "FM is good, AM is bad". It is the same ridiculous thing today: "MP3 is good, PCM (wav) is bad", e= ven anybody knows the PCM (wav) format is, miles away, better than any othe= r format (because it isn't compressed). From the pure technical side, AM is better than FM. Why? Simple: it is mo= re simple to broadcast and to receive (specially today, with all the solid = state world advances). From the money side, AM is better than FM (the last power line electric c= ompany bill is more little comparing two TXs, same power, both 100% solid s= tate, both same amount of hours on the air, one in AM the other in FM) Why?= Simple: AM has less energy on the air (less sidebands) at any time, any mo= dulation rate, than FM. That's the main reason I'd prefer to use Independent SideBands AM Stereo = than C-QUAM, because the PM sidebands, from the QUAM part, are like the FM = sidebands: too much dense than the pure AM sidebands (in the other hand, IS= B AM Stereo only has pure AM sidebands). SO... The very good sound you're talking about from the YouTube video, ca= n be get from any analog AM station today, mono or stero, IF (only if) we g= et wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide bandwidth IF filters inside the tuners. BTW, I can understand why the AM tuner makers use the very narrow bandwid= th IF filters if the price difference between the narrow and wide filters i= sn't significant. I'd really want to know a good reason to use the narrow f= ilters instead the wide. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dandocker" wrote= : > > Hi everyone, >=20 > I just wanted to share some frank thoughts on AM stereo, why I like it = and also it's limitations. >=20 > I think the reason I like AM stereo is: > 1. Because it is rare and > 2. Because of the clever quadrature transmission method. The stereo doe= sn't take any more bandwidth compared to the mono version. >=20 > However AM stereo will only ever be considered to be a mickey mouse tec= hnology by the mainstream if stations don't (aren't allowed) to transmit au= dio flat out to 14-15khZ. It is my opinion that full frequency response is = WAY more important than stereo in determining the perceived sound quality f= or the listener. Most people even prefer the artificial high frequency resp= onse of AAC+ compression, with its artifacts compared to frequency limited = AM stereo. >=20 > 10kHz response still sounds flat and uncrisp compared to FM. The AM sta= tion featured here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DodRA4tSxnqU) sounds fa= ntastic in mono at the 1.20 mark. This is the best example of AM I have hea= rd, even though it's mono. If anyone has heard better, let me know. >=20 > An idea I have had was to modulate the Q signal in the C-Quam transmitt= er with high frequency audio instead of the L-R information. In other words= , modulate the carrier with regular mono audio out to 7kHz, and put the 7-1= 4khz information on top of that signal instead of L-R. With all audio infor= mation contained in 7kHz, there should be less noise and less requirement f= or a notch filter. >=20 > You could then use the rest of the spectrum 7-10khz (centred on 8.5) fo= r a suppressed carrier pure QAM signal for 6kHz of L-R information. >=20 > My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not sure= if this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound great. >=20 > What do you think? > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Nov 04 21:48:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52555 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2011 04:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m12.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2011 04:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2011 04:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2011 04:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2011 04:48:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 04:48:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4EB46359.60407@velocitynet.com.au> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.61 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=4NW2-lmiAjcTtWMMX5LiR9dCxL02I56BdEocUFrzAhZ-ueuVOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I have a SONY CDX-GT450 car AM/FM/CD radio with some DSP tools and, even th= e fact it has the typical viral super narrow audio bandwidth in AM band, wh= en we use the DSP options we get a decent around 7.5 KHZ audio bandwidth wi= th a tolerable signal to noise ratio (inside the typical 25 kilometers rati= o circular area to a 1 KWS station). However, I suspect there must be tuners with more powerful DSP tools to avo= id noises and other problems. I guess the digital world could be the best helping hand to the AM radios, = without to use digital audio itself. The question is... WHO WILL GET THAT NEW GOOD TUNERS GENERATION? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, apw wrote: > > AM Stereo has had its day in Oz. The last music station, 2CA, no longer=20 > broadcasts in AM stereo. And to be honest, you had to listen very=20 > carefully to hear any difference between their AM stereo (on a good=20 > wideband AM tuner) and their DAB+ broadcast. When the AM tuner was in a=20 > good noise free reception place with no interference, it was great, but=20 > DAB+ doesn't have an interference problem where it has signal; as a=20 > digital service it either works or it doesn't. With the ever increasing=20 > number of switch mode power supplies, power line comms and other=20 > broadband sources of interference coming online now, noise-free AM is=20 > rapidly becoming a thing of the past. >=20 > AM stereo may have theoretically better performance than FM stereo=20 > according to Kahn, but not in the noise-filled real world. In Australia,= =20 > I would rank them as FM stereo best, then good AM and DAB+ about equal=20 > (and that's thanks to the low DAB+ bitrates we've settled on) and noisy=20 > AM last. If DAB+ here used 128kbps or better as the normal bitrate=20 > instead of 48/64 kbps, there's be no contest. >=20 > A. > From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Nov 05 00:32:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12293 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2011 07:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m12.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2011 07:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.143) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2011 07:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20111105073230.VFHP9914.nschwmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 07:32:30 +0000 X-Received: from DavoPC ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20111105073229.TGBQ2024.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@DavoPC> for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 07:32:29 +0000 To: References: <4EB46359.60407@velocitynet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4EB46359.60407@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:32:27 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 thread-index: AcybRgrpySqnsIjGRzu1aNjAAn7GNgARjDXA X-SIH-MSG-ID: ohA6FdP7TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU6nyN7M/nsj2xDtcNh2PPWMqYaX0X4/Qs+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "ian davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: apw > AM Stereo has had its day in Oz. The last music station, 2CA, no > longer broadcasts in AM stereo. And to be honest, you had to listen > very carefully to hear any difference between their AM stereo (on a > good wideband AM tuner) and their DAB+ broadcast. I guess we should give 2CA Canberra the AMS long life award. I expect it was the ONLY Australian AM station that kept transmitting in AMS until DAB+ arrived. 26 years . well done! Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 05 18:46:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9232 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2011 01:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2011 01:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2011 01:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111105204552103049200010> for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:45:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EB5E6C5.8040104@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:45:41 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:45:52 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111105-3, 11/05/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=poiKJAZyZENuRfR6259x8ZXWdo_UhtrHHSZFTPdQsX_H_y-dBp47 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/3/2011 10:07 PM, dandocker wrote: > An idea I have had was to modulate the Q signal in the C-Quam > transmitter with high frequency audio instead of the L-R information. In > other words, modulate the carrier with regular mono audio out to 7kHz, > and put the 7-14khz information on top of that signal instead of L-R. > With all audio information contained in 7kHz, there should be less noise > and less requirement for a notch filter. > > You could then use the rest of the spectrum 7-10khz (centred on 8.5) for > a suppressed carrier pure QAM signal for 6kHz of L-R information. > > My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not sure > if this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound great. > > What do you think? That it won't work- too much bandwidth required. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 05 19:00:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4102 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2011 02:00:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2011 02:00:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2011 01:59:59 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111105205942103223300011> for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:59:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EB5EA03.7040800@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:59:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:59:42 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <9601E848-22AB-430D-9B66-E542BDF36D64@gmail.com> <8E8F3254-44A7-45B5-B803-BEA3943D4BB7@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8E8F3254-44A7-45B5-B803-BEA3943D4BB7@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111105-3, 11/05/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=B-sXAaGWNDncQr1QiMsZetiasHRdSrFRSXGBMucRgQ1b_KpMoqiK X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/4/2011 7:31 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:49 PM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > I have never heard CAM-D. > > When I lived in Florida, we had a Local station using it, and it ROCKS. > It actually improves the Analog Signal while sounding better then most > iPods in the Digital Mode. The Total cost of a CAM-D Conversion is about > $70,000 Dollars to a Station. And there's only one engineer in the entire nation that's certified to install it. Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Nov 05 19:51:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63732 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2011 02:51:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2011 02:51:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2011 02:51:06 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pA62p2l1025378 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:51:02 -0400 X-Received: from core-mge003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 397B3E000085 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9e50f.5f59ceda.3be75016@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:51:02 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453656064:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4eb5f6162603 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=DLpqA63IE95afnzJm44OJN3bN5vkI4zbs2sleoWfJ4s-mmMZLivT X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi John, I think you have my name mixed up with the other person here who was having trouble with his Delco UX-1. I think he had trouble before with his radio overloading with too much signal input from a longwire antenna also. Have you ever done a direct comparison between the Chrysler mid-90's 5EQ w/joystick radio and the Delco UX-1 models as far as AM Stereo reception is concerned? How do they compare on bandwidth and ability to lock onto an AM Stereo signal? Does one radio have any advantages over another? One thing I like about the Delco is the manual AM Stereo button. You can use it to override the manual AM narrow bandwidth of a mono AM station and enjoy the wider bandwidth of the AM Stereo mode. I assume the Chrysler radio stays narrow until it finds an AM Stereo pilot tone then widens the I.F. bandwidth? What about overall selectivity/sensitivity when tuning across the AM band? Thanks for any info. I have recently ordered a '93 Chrysler AM/FM radio with the joystick speaker control and 5 band EQ so I will be able to do a camparison test here also. Just wondering if you like one particular radio over another? 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 10/30/2011 3:01:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: Todd, do you have all the Delco connectors for your radio? Does you power supply still puts out 12.0 to 13.8VDC after it's been on for a while? What is your power supply voltage and current output? If you have big bass peaks, the power supply will need to supply more current; if it can't, then the radio will "motorboat" (mine did that on a little 2 amp supply). So, before you get another radio, make sure that your power supply has enough current and voltage. The UX-1 and the mid 90's Chrysler 5-EQ w/joystick radios are the best car radios for CQuam listening, so don't give up on it until you scope out the power supply. If the power supply is okay, contact me off list about a UX-1. From bratina501@msn.com Sun Nov 06 12:04:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81582 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2011 20:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2011 20:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.162) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2011 20:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 20:04:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 20:04:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2011 20:04:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:04:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9e50f.5f59ceda.3be75016@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=dkUj2k42iBjc66JYw1EqxXlJ3GdD8rieOzVd_T0cYKqmF-u0wQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > Hi John, I think you have my name mixed up with the other person here who= =20=20 > was having > trouble with his Delco UX-1. I think he had trouble before with his radio= =20=20 > overloading with too much > signal input from a longwire antenna also. >=20=20 I was the one who kept having the UX-1 problems where as a result mine does= not see too much use these days. The reason why I got it in the first plac= e was their reputation for good sound quality on AM and because I needed a = good quality AM stereo tuner for monitoring the transmitter I have now. Thi= s leads me to believe I either got a lemon or one which desperately needs n= ew electrolytic capacitors assuming they can cause the problem even though = it seems to me like it might be either a bad tuning slug or a poorly seated= component somewhere. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 06 16:15:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1981 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 00:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 00:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.180) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 00:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 00:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 00:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 00:15:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 00:15:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4EB5E6C5.8040104@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.44.203.103 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=LGP56BywdLn5L3eFnRC0j7Z9EjYXkNtWCUTWVlYWQGto8W1n9s6jYOXsBDNUMQV4bDZ3r3x9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Scott You have a point. To much band width for U.S 10khz. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 11/3/2011 10:07 PM, dandocker wrote: >=20 > > An idea I have had was to modulate the Q signal in the C-Quam > > transmitter with high frequency audio instead of the L-R information. I= n > > other words, modulate the carrier with regular mono audio out to 7kHz, > > and put the 7-14khz information on top of that signal instead of L-R. > > With all audio information contained in 7kHz, there should be less nois= e > > and less requirement for a notch filter. > > > > You could then use the rest of the spectrum 7-10khz (centred on 8.5) fo= r > > a suppressed carrier pure QAM signal for 6kHz of L-R information. > > > > My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not sure > > if this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound great= . > > > > What do you think? >=20 > That it won't work- too much bandwidth required. >=20 > Scott Todd > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 06 17:23:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59820 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 01:23:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m12.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 01:23:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 01:23:02 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111106192243000032400011> for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:22:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EB732D9.4090006@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:22:33 -0600 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:22:43 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111106-2, 11/06/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=_v41oHbWnPHuoLQqMbUxDpIjSdzRx4EpQV_stwj1jMrqIwglxDCa X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/4/2011 3:07 PM, Jota wrote: > It is a pity that some black hands had got to leave the high fidelity > sound only to the FM band and force the AM band to the very "telephonic" > sound since 1965-1970. > > There was no conspiracy. Back then was the start of the loudness wars and as stations cranked up the modulation they started to splatter. Listeners started to complain and the receiver manufacturers narrowed the IF bandwidth. In order to compensate for the loss of high frequency response stations cranked up the high end and created even more splatter resulting in even narrower radios. This was all entirely self inflicted. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 06 17:30:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32658 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 01:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 01:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 01:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111106193012000595700011> for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:30:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EB7349A.6060906@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:30:02 -0600 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:30:12 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <9e50f.5f59ceda.3be75016@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9e50f.5f59ceda.3be75016@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111106-2, 11/06/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7tb6z2j8Pk8WxK1Jy-9GoXb_aAOQP_CqgG_ZB0eXQBeUNnk2eOz6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/5/2011 9:51 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > I have recently ordered a '93 Chrysler AM/FM radio with the joystick > speaker control > and 5 band EQ so I will be able to do a camparison test here also. Just > wondering if you like one > particular radio over another? > 73 - Todd WD4NGG Those Chrysler radios often need repair. Got one of that vintage and also a 95 and both are dead. Likely there's a bad solder joint or bad relay inside. Hope yours isn't DOA. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 06 17:53:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98539 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 01:53:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 01:53:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f180.google.com) (209.85.160.180) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 01:53:38 -0000 X-Received: by gyh20 with SMTP id 20so6700916gyh.11 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:53:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.77.98 with SMTP id c62mr27926951yhe.109.1320630816790; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:53:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f76sm25883473yhj.21.2011.11.06.17.53.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:53:35 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:53:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4EB732D9.4090006@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4EB732D9.4090006@usfamily.net> Message-Id: <9BA83CD3-980B-4669-B25D-B002E10CD7DD@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=c-Fzzq7nQZFxQlWjjnUtNNqn4ZhMzbYVsCGtv4BKalXiOVZ1OZdxg2FcCS2RcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > In order to compensate for the loss of high frequency > response stations cranked up the high end and created even more splatter > resulting in even narrower radios. And the Optimod 9000 was the Ultimate Super-Hot Processor to do that with... 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Nov 06 17:54:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73950 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 01:54:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 01:54:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 01:54:57 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pA71srAB023341 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:54:53 -0500 X-Received: from core-mge003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 66C6CE000096 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:54:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <969dc.1ca42464.3be8946c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:54:52 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:476787264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094eb73a6c12a2 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=g-N7eB0BpAd8pr-p7ypxP-G2Hq4HOtlZvY-wB4UhxMEYubSzirCx X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi Scott, OK on the problems you have run into with your mid-90s Chrysler radios. I see it looks like Chrysler made a similar AM Stereo capable model up to the early 2000s that had a joystick speaker control and a 3-band EQ. Those may tend to be more reliable since they are newer. I guess we are always taking a chance with the reliability of these mid-90s radios due to their age. We also have to keep in mind that some of these radios were probably pulled from wrecked cars that took a real beating! From what I have seen though it looks like the construction of these radios is a cut above regular consumer-grade radios of the day since they are subject to vibration, bumps, high heat and humidity in an auto environment behind the dash. I read somewhere that the original OEM cost of these radios was in the $300 - $600 range, not cheap for the day! The Delco radios I have picked up so far have seemed to be very reliable. Out of several I have picked up recently one seems to be "dead". It doesn't turn on or do anything - just plain dead. But should be a good source of parts and knobs, etc. Another one has one bad channel, but everything else works fine. The output transistor heat sink runs hot as a firecracker in that one so probably a shorted output transistor. I should be able to swap parts from the dead one to bring the bad channel back to life in the mostly good one. 73 - Todd In a message dated 11/6/2011 8:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: Those Chrysler radios often need repair. Got one of that vintage and also a 95 and both are dead. Likely there's a bad solder joint or bad relay inside. Hope yours isn't DOA. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 06 19:18:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36643 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 03:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 03:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f172.google.com) (209.85.161.172) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 03:18:41 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f172.google.com with SMTP id v1so5627255ggn.31 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.200.135 with SMTP id z7mr4251145yhn.33.1320635920970; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:18:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m33sm51724446ann.4.2011.11.06.19.18.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:18:39 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:18:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <969dc.1ca42464.3be8946c@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <969dc.1ca42464.3be8946c@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Nhi5gqHjresUXY7LduDXBk20KjFe6teN54uFJ1eNb8EZEUOsdNzO80sMOmvL1w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:54 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > Out of several > I have picked up recently one seems to be "dead". It doesn't turn on or > do anything - just plain dead. But should be a good source of parts and > knobs, etc. > Another one has one bad channel, but everything else works fine. The > output transistor > heat sink runs hot as a firecracker in that one so probably a shorted > output transistor. I used to work for a Delco Service Center and I can tell the most common problem with these radios are poor Solder joints on the Boards. The cure is to use Acetone to remove the Conformal Coating on the boards, then Re-Solder each and every connection on each board with Silver Bearing Rosin Core Solder. That alone fixed 99% of the radios that came in for service. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Nov 06 21:26:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55971 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 05:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 05:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f51.google.com) (209.85.214.51) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 05:26:25 -0000 X-Received: by bkat8 with SMTP id t8so878847bka.24 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 21:26:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.141.156 with SMTP id m28mr7651113bku.26.1320643584652; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 21:26:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.22.20 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:26:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4EB5E6C5.8040104@usfamily.net> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:26:24 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=1F3YNYhW5-v6_sUQ0zzCD-pB57c95KVrAW3tHsvty-UQhKy1 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great discussion! Scott and Jim, how would the idea use too much bandwidth? It uses 20kHz total (plus and minus 10kHz from the carrier) like a regular US station. ie= . Instead of having L+R and L-R out to 7kHz as with regular AM stereo, you could have L+R and 'High frequency audio' (shifted to baseband) out to 7kHz. This would give 14kHz of audio at +-7kHz from the carrier. The receiver would have to shift the high frequency audio back out to 7-14kHz. The only thing I am changing compared to regular cquam is that I have the high frequency audio instead of L-R. The remainder of the audio bandwidth (7-10kHz) could be used for a stereo subcarrier (L-R 6kHz audio total). Carrier ____ __________________ | ____________________ ____ / \/ \|/ \/ \ -10 -7 0 7 10 kHz L-R L+R and HF L+R and HF L-R Does that make more sense? Cheers. On 7 November 2011 08:15, jim smith wrote: > ** > > > Hi Scott You have a point. To much band width for U.S 10khz. Jim Smith > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > > > On 11/3/2011 10:07 PM, dandocker wrote: > > > > > An idea I have had was to modulate the Q signal in the C-Quam > > > transmitter with high frequency audio instead of the L-R information. > In > > > other words, modulate the carrier with regular mono audio out to 7kHz= , > > > and put the 7-14khz information on top of that signal instead of L-R. > > > With all audio information contained in 7kHz, there should be less > noise > > > and less requirement for a notch filter. > > > > > > You could then use the rest of the spectrum 7-10khz (centred on 8.5) > for > > > a suppressed carrier pure QAM signal for 6kHz of L-R information. > > > > > > My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not su= re > > > if this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound > great. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > That it won't work- too much bandwidth required. > > > > Scott Todd > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 06 21:51:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20065 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 05:51:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 05:51:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 05:51:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 05:51:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 05:51:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 05:51:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9e50f.5f59ceda.3be75016@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Comparing AM stereo car radios. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=uB4kUGB8ahWEyMtsoaAHtc8HXrd5Y6YNdyoLawQgAowZOFIXPZbE2vo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hard choice. The automatic "loudness circuitry" in the Delco has resulted i= n much stronger bass response, but it seems like you can 'dial-in' the audi= o on the Chrysler model better. Sensitivty and selectivity are similar. I t= hink only one model of the Chrysler ever had an AM stereo on/off switch, it= 's always 'on' for the Chrysler and the bandwidth, IIRC correctly on both i= s 7.5KHz, meeting AMAX specs with both. The very last of the Chryslers went= down to a 6KHz filter (which I changed out) and didn't have the same bass = punch as the Delco despite having 66 watt amps in them (RAZ model). Both t= he later Delco's and Chryslers could lock in an AMS signal from hundreds of= miles away at night. ONLY the 1st genration 1985 Chrysler was finicky (and= any model that used the first AMS chip, the Motorola 13020P chip) were fus= sy and needed a '35 count' of good signal to switch to stereo, and started = over the count with every lighting crash; later chips (22 and 28) were much= better.=20=20 Stereo separation on the Chrysler seemed a bit better and the 2nd generatio= n didn't suffer from the bass distortion with single channel bass like the = 1st generation chip did. Also, the 3rd generation AMS chip had a 'fade to m= ono' just like FM stereo, and I did't experience the 'platform motion' that= drives Leonard Kahn crazy.=20=20 The early/mid 90's Delco UX-1 and Chrysler AM stereo radios are both quite = good. I had a Toyota AMS radio, and it required replacement of two audio caps to = restore better frequency response - ALFREDO T can chime in on that mod. Als= o had a Clarion that was VERY sensitive and selectable bandwidth! but it di= dn't have much audio punch without use of an external audio amp, but it was= a DXing champ. The MetroSound is an analog tuned Sony clone. The Radio Sha= ck home unit was okay, but needed a wider I.F. filter and a couple of mods = to improve its performance. Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-A1 are great portables with impressive frequency resp= onse. Sangean portable required (SR33 ?) required a very strong stereo pilo= t tone to kick-in IIRC. Add in a board from Jeff Deck or Sotiris in Greece= to add AM stereo to your existing widebandwidth AM tuner is another valid = option. A recent unit to try is the Sangean HD-1X with CQaum (and HD). The Fanfare Elctronics AM stero tuner is fantastic but has a fantastic pric= e to match it's PRO quality. That's my opinions for now. John Have you ever done a direct comparison between the Chrysler mid-90's 5 w/joystick radio and the Delco UX-1 models as far as AM Stereo reception is= concerned? How do they=20 compare on bandwidth and ability to lock onto an AM Stereo signal? Does one radio=20 have any advantages over another? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 06 21:52:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57249 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 05:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 05:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.148) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 05:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 05:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 05:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 05:52:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 05:52:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9e50f.5f59ceda.3be75016@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0YY3yZMngkAVX6fJAIKlsYqexFLEuSpWjNdosLsi5IEiPkrfHfl77C4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If someone was looking for a Ux-1 for sale, please contact me off list. John From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 06 22:24:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13280 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 06:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 06:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.222) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 06:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 06:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 06:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 06:24:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 41694.77514.bm@smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xyYOrqoVM1mxyTIXB_IktdbAkAZPYmqLUWfzKORG39fHxoF 2kXzJlO0vb5SaRIXG9Kt15unHnvzXWyKme0YEJgDWyaJvVYYGFFYsOS5ZVDG OxeTo.w3AzMJ3nkMzJpLqjrWHra8fKHiOt0lgv25pN8PXEwpQiD_ts6iA72P X4itmCuALFTNNmxFiPTF_00We4RhtYyyf.c03okh3m3ewicBerfnKBVwLt9w ZodCODblfzFCb9sf2kYvvQlnFjGdVEhelFd458w_TKSH84FpqJMxGtNLjFdW ESpnaqm3IVmO0le79.r4ZccuJkDqMPpjYx9qLUBAbo7SStKmnb_VieYmmAHh o4skUCj_Y70M9Wb5wtjx.nDcDc4NQKte2537cE9WYM_1usP1.Gt0wpu_bcgH .XgXtYy8- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.44.203.103 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Nov 2011 22:24:23 -0800 PST Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:24:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=HtFHu6z5MyKDcyQQEaA_1woc-et6FsotqG5c7ZGcZ1AV0EALJ2ruOcrLXMzli8E0ROn0uR_n X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I hope Juan in Chile is ok. Thay just had another big quake. God bless him and his country. I had just found out that the Auvio 31-134 HD RADIO witch is rack mountable and the MCS 3050 are the same width. So the MCS 3050 can be rack mounted. The chip in it needs to be upgraded. What i still don't get is both the TM 152 and the MCS 3050 has the same chip in them (MC13020) and the TM 152 sounds much better. Jim Smith Loomis Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Nov 07 05:20:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93730 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 13:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 13:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 13:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 13:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 13:20:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:20:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.130 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=tW6fgP56bUMRRZ3s7P9pPXc81KzYE71jqmZJNE4n87zwKpUfFg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Guys!!! Thanks a lot for your care!!! I'm fine (except about the typical springtime allergy). Last quake was a minor movement at the north part of the country (far way f= rom me). Of course, any quake is disturbing, any place, any time. But... we= are living here and we know how this is, so... To be honest, gentlemen, the only one bad, very, very, very, VERY, bad thin= g in my country is... guess: THE POLITICIANS!!! If you could give us an helping hand and take all those political people an= d put them all out of the planet... I bet you, all the honest and humble ch= ilean people will thank you forever and ever. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I hope Juan in Chile is ok. Thay just had another big quake. Go= d bless him and his country. I had just found out that the Auvio 31-134 HD= RADIO witch is rack mountable and the MCS 3050 are the same width. So the = MCS 3050 can be rack mounted. The chip in it needs to be upgraded. What i s= till don't get is both the TM 152 and the MCS 3050 has the same chip in the= m (MC13020) and the TM 152 sounds much better. Jim Smith Loomis Ca >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 07 06:38:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92319 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 14:38:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 14:38:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f53.google.com) (209.85.213.53) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 14:38:07 -0000 X-Received: by ywe9 with SMTP id 9so6839254ywe.40 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 06:38:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.146.206.19 with SMTP id d19mr4097359yag.33.1320676686911; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 06:38:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 40sm15055567anu.17.2011.11.07.06.37.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 06:37:58 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:37:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <4FBBA98D-5A6B-41B8-90BC-372BFBF0976D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=nJk2o1DzAw87kHl1a_uCe7HGW8g-9TIOSPjwoij8-DwZqLaRACERtGaGNqWZhg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Jota wrote: > I'm fine (except about the typical springtime allergy). We are happy to see you are OK. > > To be honest, gentlemen, the only one bad, very, very, very, VERY, bad thing in my country is... guess: THE POLITICIANS!!! We have the same problem in the Untied States. > > If you could give us an helping hand and take all those political people and put them all out of the planet... I bet you, all the honest and humble chilean people will thank you forever and ever. Let's use the Politicians as Dummy Loads and fry them with RF. The whole World would be better off. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Nov 07 07:09:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52480 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 15:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 15:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 15:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 15:09:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 15:09:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:09:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FBBA98D-5A6B-41B8-90BC-372BFBF0976D@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.130 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=SRaqt1Loo1zNhFzhu7ROtMofOlM7hvz4Qz9QJGof04OtfRLtkw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > Let's use the Politicians as Dummy Loads and fry them with RF. The whole = World would be better off. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 A M E N ! ! ! ! ! ! ! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=ubf7cAPR5drsP0MKyNkBkFjVESvBmw2H7nPkb5w78UoSJm4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all of you, =C2=A0 it was planned that we should get the towers, ATU houses, cables when Terac= om left the station in Sweden. The Teracom changed their minds and want to scrap it all, just to stop othe= r private to continue to use the excisting equipment to restart a new stati= on. the weigth of the towers are 70 tons of very great in shape metallic pa= rts, normally in use for power lines=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.home.passa= gen.se/longwave=C2=A0=C2=A0 here you can find all ex am stations in Sweden.= =C2=A0 push button for Solvesborg.... Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 7 november 2011 15:37 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Jota wrote: > I'm fine (except about the typical springtime allergy). We are happy to see you are OK. >=20 > To be honest, gentlemen, the only one bad, very, very, very, VERY, bad th= ing in my country is... guess: THE POLITICIANS!!! We have the same problem in the Untied States. >=20 > If you could give us an helping hand and take all those political people = and put them all out of the planet... I bet you, all the honest and humble = chilean people will thank you forever and ever. Let's use the Politicians as Dummy Loads and fry them with RF. The whole Wo= rld would be better off. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 07 08:12:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30344 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 16:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 16:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vx0-f180.google.com) (209.85.220.180) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 16:12:01 -0000 X-Received: by vcbfo1 with SMTP id fo1so1056918vcb.39 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:12:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.220.188.140 with SMTP id da12mr1993326vcb.185.1320682320227; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:12:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ey9sm30638438vdc.19.2011.11.07.08.11.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:11:58 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:11:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1320678845.59690.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4FBBA98D-5A6B-41B8-90BC-372BFBF0976D@gmail.com> <1320678845.59690.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=dsTdvDkTjYeHlgUORPNBeIZro1YTv8Kgcc-GJm4awTZOiK8UR51tPmdAtCP_hw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > The Teracom changed their minds and want to scrap it all, just to stop ot= her private to continue to use the excisting equipment to restart a new sta= tion. the weigth of the towers are 70 tons of very great in shape metallic = parts, normally in use for power lines Perhaps you can offer to buy the equipment at it's scrap value? > www.home.passagen.se/longwave here you can find all ex am stations in = Sweden. push button for Solvesborg=85. That link does not work. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Nov 07 08:36:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40084 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 16:36:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 16:36:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.230) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 16:36:21 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.184] by nm4.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 16:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.61] by tm15.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 16:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 16:36:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 53477.68384.bm@omp1030.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 53553 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2011 16:36:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: e0ynKDsVM1m2jNBBrNqX74ZnNeRRawJYe51UqN4PoY6Yh_E LbSb00PqYjxe35qfCEfhQaIcCWPwNppaj3VGcbhtQxFRvy2s6HU1FqtvP2Fi 0vDPtAMw1oTKDDCYI7WJpRkGJPbcoc.S0O8q9_ZGRU9Xp37YAB8BH5BX_GQA GJCVcQZoJJtZDb7pFTC1O_Z5gg4WzD0o1tuO40.q5aMzfZl4VbSOT8UwvxSt nELFfrqU7tgTZmVX0ZNA85hAvaql5dfkOE1oY6m3Gc_nxDtgIywgrZhi6RTZ 886wj5bPhCT_eOdgHUSFcnvDxQZfWnGnlI0wKSaWY5oGpNPfay6WsYmEs8Jv 1ixD7cF4JOPw5UyGbb52liLIyhLuZAoH1EB4loIqksqFGL8lF.vp23YV91em sC01._CJUSqrDVO5lip6b9xW.bOQZEGFD3jIP6SnL6OmHuYV1uPekJcaXG_V l7q8pzVbgEd5.PwnInHqfKarjlgy0PsSJSiEYRBPLB7MmPZDcQQsWRadGWfg pvF.fvcVA_.sZ_Ph8IgEb4ZwrGK5k2Mm0qFv.A0Tiy2qkgP.dRsyHrT5xYBX sR71XQijfxxO3P1WocxRwnmFxhi_xl70qwFt6iZgmWpCgurDGBQC2vpm.zq6 049zoeo20j_RjXiarBx.0fZLUzrURXoml1pBHqmPcB7LusfgKtZdt_tVsRDV fWm0Kv6Yv4LGGuDR7EBR.Re9eqSB5pxPGi5iGVdGDvE0Dyik4mIFzYziGwAR N3ySyKvCBedP90H8f6EzzE.1qS802gS.iTZtNOUun3aBLS8h4FoWIGd0haFT 9igvhxktgVw_7VIM- X-Received: from [79.102.129.68] by web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:36:19 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <4FBBA98D-5A6B-41B8-90BC-372BFBF0976D@gmail.com> <1320678845.59690.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1320683779.52120.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:36:19 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=h9Dc-kQbGD2oOJw8SsZq3I9MfS45ZS0FSsSrHampfMgmdpA X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Hi, Teracom is the only provider of dab+ tx in Sweden, so they don't want any c= ompetitors of am and fm stations. Want to swich off=C2=A0 am and fm in Swed= en. DAB broadcasters got to sign a contract with them. Teracom has to pay land leasing for the next 22 years ahead, that's the con= tent of the contract. In facto, we are thinking of that, to pay them out of the ownership of towe= rs.The towers are tuned to 1179kHz. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ----- Ursprungligt meddelande ---- Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Kopia:=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 7 november 2011 17:11 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > The Teracom changed their minds and want to scrap it all, just to stop ot= her private to continue to use the excisting equipment to restart a new sta= tion. the weigth of the towers are 70 tons of very great in shape metallic = parts, normally in use for power lines Perhaps you can offer to buy the equipment at it's scrap value? >=C2=A0 www.home.passagen.se/longwave=C2=A0 here you can find all ex am st= ations in Sweden.=C2=A0 push button for Solvesborg=E2=80=A6. That link does not work. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 07 08:51:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92707 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 16:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 16:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.160.178) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 16:51:15 -0000 X-Received: by gyf3 with SMTP id 3so4863909gyf.9 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:51:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.80.7 with SMTP id d7mr6096372anb.91.1320684674033; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:51:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm56957896ano.9.2011.11.07.08.51.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:51:12 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:51:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1320683779.52120.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4FBBA98D-5A6B-41B8-90BC-372BFBF0976D@gmail.com> <1320678845.59690.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320683779.52120.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <909CF064-4A5E-4042-B15F-71372C84F298@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.178 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=wJo8m5Nhj96q7MlzYEb3YzUKOmuSMAIVxttqgcM2ohWwOUmEtW8_nvLIuixI4g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Teracom is the only provider of dab+ tx in Sweden, so they don't want any competitors of am and fm stations. Want to swich off am and fm in Sweden. If they do that, the Legal AM and FM Stations will be replaced by unregulated Pirates that are nearly impossible to control. But on the other hand, Pirate Radio is FUN. LOL 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=rDsM6rfDFjrZEV12h8DvJ1sU1rkTCZkRgn554sbdQo_EnF4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Canary Islands got 400 FM pirates, Spain 5.000 pirates. Lot of pirates all = over around Medditerian sea. Lot of am pirates in Holland on 1611-1710 kHz, same in Greece. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 7 november 2011 17:51 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Teracom is the only provider of dab+ tx in Sweden, so they don't want any= competitors of am and fm stations. Want to swich off am and fm in Sweden. If they do that, the Legal AM and FM Stations will be replaced by unregulat= ed Pirates that are nearly impossible to control. But on the other hand, Pirate Radio is FUN. LOL 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 07 09:17:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99398 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 17:17:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 17:17:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.220.173) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 17:17:45 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vx0-f173.google.com with SMTP id f13so4618741vcb.18 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:17:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.220.117.81 with SMTP id p17mr1995478vcq.41.1320686265169; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:17:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id et7sm30908371vdc.18.2011.11.07.09.17.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:17:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:17:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1320684955.55098.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4FBBA98D-5A6B-41B8-90BC-372BFBF0976D@gmail.com> <1320678845.59690.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1320683779.52120.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <909CF064-4A5E-4042-B15F-71372C84F298@gmail.com> <1320684955.55098.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <02B6F12F-4D25-468A-91E0-EA0D190EB2FB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=v8ObLhzoienc4fZpTpxY67iXBnhF7mMk6G_KSveZRG0UIYuLJK0UAZn396B81Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Canary Islands got 400 FM pirates, Spain 5.000 pirates. Lot of pirates all over around Medditerian sea. > Lot of am pirates in Holland on 1611-1710 kHz, same in Greece. In the USA we have a few AM Pirates and a few Shortwave Pirates, but there are too many FM Pirates to count. Our FCC is busy busting them, but for every Pirate that is Busted, a Hundred new ones come on the air. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Nov 07 09:27:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65554 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 17:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 17:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 17:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 17:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 17:27:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:27:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1320684955.55098.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.130 From: "Jota" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=s9JVP_vD-z40pzjJkc4A6gXKbz7vj9hPWbVSHlibO2hkuqQJeA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 The pirate radio is an universal plague. Chile has a lot, but we are enough legal rules to assure anyone can install= and operate stations with low power (something like the FCC part 15). Howe= ver, there are pirates, illegal, stations anyway. BUT... if you honourable gentlemen of this respectable forum let me spell m= y humble opinion about this phenomena, I think (my humble idea) the "legal"= stations are the main responsible because they abandoned the common citize= n decades ago. 1) Some stations were transformed into a simple Wurlitzer jukebox machines.= Too much boring. 2) Some stations were transformed into an "infomercials" jukebox. Too much = boring. 3) Some stations were transformed into an audible newspaper. Too much borin= g. 4) Some stations were transformed into a political/religious/any other caus= es preacher. Too much boring. Well... What did they think the citizen would do with that? ??? Answers: 1) DO NOT TO TUNE RADIO ANY MORE. 2) HEAR CDs, MP3s, ETC. 3) INSTALL A PIRATE STATION. Moral: The radio station owners should back to the radio origin: to serve t= he people needings and tastes. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Canary Islands got 400 FM pirates, Spain 5.000 pirates. Lot of pirates al= l over around Medditerian sea. > Lot of am pirates in Holland on 1611-1710 kHz, same in Greece. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 7 november 2011 17:51 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > Teracom is the only provider of dab+ tx in Sweden, so they don't want a= ny competitors of am and fm stations. Want to swich off am and fm in Swede= n. >=20 > If they do that, the Legal AM and FM Stations will be replaced by unregul= ated Pirates that are nearly impossible to control. >=20 > But on the other hand, Pirate Radio is FUN. LOL >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 07 09:41:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33315 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 17:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 17:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f41.google.com) (209.85.212.41) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 17:41:26 -0000 X-Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16so1337280vws.14 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:41:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.93.107 with SMTP id ct11mr4777820vdb.14.1320687684405; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:41:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eu4sm31036650vdc.8.2011.11.07.09.41.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:41:23 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:41:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=x86WlxXHPPQf2qlu-vG2F2nd-7xoeCvUKrS2Bfmd-67WHRJf5YlaLaP4sbWq5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jota wrote: > BUT... if you honourable gentlemen of this respectable forum let me spell my humble opinion about this phenomena, I think (my humble idea) the "legal" stations are the main responsible because they abandoned the common citizen decades ago. It is much the same here in the US. Clear Channel, Citadel, Entercom, and others have made it so Radio sounds the same no matter where you go. It used to be that different markets had a different "Sound" or "Feel" on the radio, but no more. You hear the very same Syndicated Talk and Satellite fed music all over the US. It is all the same and it is BORING. At least with Pirate Radio, you hear music that is not being broadcast anywhere else, Diverse Opinions, and subjects that for one reason or another are taboo or just plain old Censored from Broadcast Radio. > Moral: The radio station owners should back to the radio origin: to serve the people needings and tastes. Agreed. When a new station went on the air locally playing Oldies, One Oldies Pirate went off of the air and another changed Formats. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Nov 07 10:55:15 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5072 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 18:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 18:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 18:55:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1320692113; bh=9S/XSpy47xP2b4/8m1O2uV4Wshkm2ZwxM6siygbSLEI=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MIMEOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=jRTsMhRjVVTDXpZqlM3qlRm67v/GLaRnQyw5BljmuSu69Jj/ae8/Mpp5FAH+XCnMe2xS1CnXE71L+3kyh2yOoZfZyb9HRVpFfbB/VEy3xGB1170SJciEwL8EZ1e082Wk Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:55:13 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:55:13 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 18:55:13 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21048 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2011 03:40:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2011 03:40:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.140) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2011 03:40:31 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP197 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 3 Nov 2011 20:40:29 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP197.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 3 Nov 2011 20:40:28 -0700 To: References: <9601E848-22AB-430D-9B66-E542BDF36D64@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 21:40:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2011 03:40:28.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EF2CD50:01CC9AA3] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=w9Jo6lKAQInsb3qrY5ag4zx8Bf8-Jtkcdioo1pGu8Ie5 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 07 Nov 2011 18:55:12 -0000 best analog am i have ever heard is wsm nashville. uses a blaw knox 1/2 wave over 1/4 ground with an open feeder line. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Raper" To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:07 PM, dandocker wrote: > 10kHz response still sounds flat and uncrisp compared to FM. The AM > station featured here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odRA4tSxnqU) sounds > fantastic in mono at the 1.20 mark. This is the best example of AM I have > heard, even though it's mono. If anyone has heard better, let me know. 1600 WWRL Sounded better then any other US AM back in the 90's before they switched to Kahn PowerSide. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHZe2bNJW7k The best sounding AM Stereo today is out of Japan where they don't have NRSC Restrictions on bandwidth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAPKTnJtnA&feature=related > My signal processing knowledge isn't especially strong, so I'm not sure if > this is really possible, but if it was, I think it would sound great. Kahn's CAM-D is the best sounding AM I have ever heard, but there are very few stations broadcasting and NO Production Receivers…. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD/AE CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From bratina501@msn.com Mon Nov 07 11:55:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45292 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 19:55:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 19:55:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 19:55:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 19:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 19:55:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:55:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=01AACu-p4wGkY8_Z63VAGvkl1Cq_8E1wMwiW3uVAexgM3DfcLg X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 > I used to work for a Delco Service Center and I can tell the most common = problem with these radios are poor Solder joints on the Boards. The cure is= to use Acetone to remove the Conformal Coating on the boards, then Re-Sold= er each and every connection on each board with Silver Bearing Rosin Core S= older. That alone fixed 99% of the radios that came in for service. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 I actually tried resoldering all the components, good tip by the way but no= w instead of my radio distorting severely on AM it now squeals like a pig s= ometimes and refuses to lock onto any AM stereo signals. Its getting to the= point where I just need to find the service manual but its impossible. I f= ound one for the AM/FM stereo 2000 series ETR tuners but not the AM stereo/= FM stereo versions. Comparing the board on them to what I see in the UX-1 i= ts totally different and I see another inductor slug on the board that the = volume and tuning controls are on which is a total mystery. I have no idea = what it does in the slightest and would like to know. >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 07 13:16:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89230 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 21:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 21:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f46.google.com) (209.85.213.46) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 21:16:13 -0000 X-Received: by ywf7 with SMTP id 7so7269941ywf.5 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:16:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.179.2 with SMTP id g2mr37096741yhm.27.1320700572638; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:16:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h20sm29759109yhj.18.2011.11.07.13.16.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:16:07 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:15:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=0mcan27UiKLMmr0nh-oj8iLmRkahKUNd2EO-OdmaMkpMFWDGHb4iId0-ybf5zg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 7, 2011, at 2:55 PM, nicholas wrote: > I actually tried resoldering all the components, good tip by the way but now instead of my radio distorting severely on AM it now squeals like a pig sometimes and refuses to lock onto any AM stereo signals. You must have made a solder bridge. it is real easy to do. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 07 13:22:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16606 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 21:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 21:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.161.170) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 21:22:32 -0000 X-Received: by ggnk4 with SMTP id k4so9053204ggn.1 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:22:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.161.133 with SMTP id w5mr37519375yhk.63.1320700951999; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:22:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm58878809anz.2.2011.11.07.13.22.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:22:30 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:21:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1395311E-3DED-4AB1-B719-616749B29C71@gmail.com> References: <9601E848-22AB-430D-9B66-E542BDF36D64@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=nnHAhjWMF0ebKZx2rqlG_Ebm8nfL1a_iUQHjB-u2Fuv6zl2NBL4Jm1PmPGLkWw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > best analog am i have ever heard is wsm nashville. uses a blaw knox 1/2 wave > over 1/4 ground with an open feeder line. The best AM I have ever heard was 1450 WCRS when it had Kahn Good N Loud Processing and Kahn ISB Stereo into an RCA BTA-1S feeding a 5/8 Wave Monopole. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Mon Nov 07 13:55:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89171 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 21:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 21:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 21:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 21:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 21:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 21:55:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:55:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=F4vzlU6V41iBm-ThVaSePhL4Z7F2bRtT7-UDvNtNyNfsIZGwFw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: >=20 > You must have made a solder bridge. it is real easy to do. > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn Sounds likely but where do you think I should be looking for a solder bridg= e then. All the ICs have Delco part numbers except for one that actually sa= ys Motorola but does not indicate anything else. From bratina501@msn.com Mon Nov 07 14:31:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32914 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 22:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 22:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.128) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 22:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 22:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 22:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2011 22:31:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:31:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: WANTED: Delco 2000 series ETR AM stereo/FM stereo service manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=NKm4Y-0vsPRxjzzNQZx3HU4WPxpy87BEyzxRBVn8UlH9ripiVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 My receiver is an absolute basket case and I can't find another dirt cheap = so I need the service manual for these tuner which would allow for repairs.= If anyone has it or knows where to get a scan of one that would be very mu= ch appreciated. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Nov 07 15:12:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11560 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 23:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 23:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 23:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pA7NC7WK007345 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:12:07 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.10]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7178BE000088 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:12:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2e70d.7c8ee4a3.3be9bfc7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:12:07 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:340196480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74eb865c76d16 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comparing AM stereo car radios. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=aE75qTPc-8A0ZLi3qgvvJBSSlwPPLpNmKzAGd4ccLdI1CkOhvEbn X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 John, many thanks for your comparison report between the mid-90's Delco UX-1 radios and the mid-90's Chrysler with the 5-Band EQ and the Joystick speaker control plus cassette player. I believe the Chrysler model is known as the "RAY", "RAN" or "RAL"? '93 - '94 seems to be a good year for those. It looks like the "RAZ" model with the 3-Band EQ and Joystick speaker control were made clear up to 2000 and perhaps a little later. You want the model with both the cassette and CD player. These were a premium sound system radio that had Stereo AM included but no manual AM Stereo button. There seemed to be many of them installed in the Jeep Grand Cherokee model. From what I have seen on Ebay the Chrysler radios seem to be bringing a higher price in general than the Delco Radios, typically in the $100 and up price range compared to the $40-$50 price range for the Delco AM Stereo models. As usual you can find a bargain if you keep looking and are patient. The mid 90's seems to be the heyday for C-Quam AM Stereo capable car radios from GM and Chrysler! 73 - Todd WD4NGG From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Nov 07 15:14:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68150 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 23:14:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 23:14:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 23:14:11 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pA7NEAvV010411 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:14:10 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.10]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4CBD2E000087 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:14:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2e849.41612be2.3be9c042@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:14:10 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481445792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b4eb866425a65 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=gVEFKXmRy2Y1uzepUft2rkW-d2zVw7W9Bzqk5Tg7syvCwbnnb1q1 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Thanks for your repair tips for the Delco car radios from the mid 90's! 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 11/6/2011 10:18:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: I used to work for a Delco Service Center and I can tell the most common problem with these radios are poor Solder joints on the Boards. The cure is to use Acetone to remove the Conformal Coating on the boards, then Re-Solder each and every connection on each board with Silver Bearing Rosin Core Solder. That alone fixed 99% of the radios that came in for service. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Nov 07 15:40:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11946 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 23:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2011 23:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2011 23:40:10 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pA7Ne5JA021161 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:40:05 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.10]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 90E23E000089 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:40:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2f6be.77c9c1fc.3be9c655@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:40:05 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408293792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74eb86c5557e0 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=AC1oOVXa1DTmZhGWIt5ZlW0Z-0dB3TK8vvUId-hw624LtEn4MGk6 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 An update on KCJJ. Sunday evening Nov. 6 conditions seemed to be particularly good and KCJJ lasted for several hours with a strong signal and excellent AM Stereo copy from around 7-10PM EST on the East Coast in South Carolina. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 07 16:20:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23745 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2011 00:20:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2011 00:20:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2011 00:20:34 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111107182011000411400011> for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:20:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EB875BC.6020406@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:20:12 -0600 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:20:11 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <969dc.1ca42464.3be8946c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111108-0, 11/07/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=0FHHb8cxn6ugJlWorT6wbjkfR3gW8xxmwZca5gYzr9vEFIdja6BY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/6/2011 9:18 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > Re-Solder each and every connection on each board with Silver Bearing > Rosin Core Solder. That alone fixed 99% of the radios that came in for > service. I'm having a hard time finding that anymore. Know of any good sources? Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 07 16:36:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6646 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2011 00:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2011 00:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2011 00:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111107183543001634200011> for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:35:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EB8795F.1050405@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:35:43 -0600 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:35:43 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111108-0, 11/07/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Receiver performance differences, was: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=oIO4HruwAMESkr9AxoUXJTZGfkpp30X0jTW7eW5wytXiU6rzAo8e X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/7/2011 12:24 AM, jim smith wrote: > I had just found out that the Auvio 31-134 HD > RADIO witch is rack mountable and the MCS 3050 are the same width. So > the MCS 3050 can be rack mounted. The chip in it needs to be upgraded. > What i still don't get is both the TM 152 and the MCS 3050 has the same > chip in them (MC13020) and the TM 152 sounds much better. Receiver performance is affected by a lot of things. If it lacks high end it's probably a narrow IF filter. If it's lacking low frequencies then there's a coupling cap between the detector and the amp section that needs to be a bigger value- say a .1uF that should ideally be .5 or even 1.0uF. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 07 17:05:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5467 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2011 01:05:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2011 01:05:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2011 01:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111107190447000657300011> for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:04:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EB88030.8080403@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:04:48 -0600 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:04:47 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <2f6be.77c9c1fc.3be9c655@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2f6be.77c9c1fc.3be9c655@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111108-0, 11/07/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Sounding Good In AM Stereo Tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=zMm4vOjGPUvPFTnGcvuRBdlA3C6hbE0hLHbkUHladaLqfCzYlGRn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/7/2011 5:40 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > An update on KCJJ. Sunday evening Nov. 6 conditions seemed > to be particularly good and KCJJ lasted for several hours with > a strong signal and excellent AM Stereo copy from around > 7-10PM EST on the East Coast in South Carolina. The band must really be long. I can scarcely hear it in east central MN. Scott Todd From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Nov 07 17:47:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12009 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2011 01:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2011 01:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f48.google.com) (209.85.214.48) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2011 01:47:16 -0000 X-Received: by bkar19 with SMTP id r19so1422bka.35 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:47:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.205.133.4 with SMTP id hw4mr3999493bkc.91.1320716834982; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:47:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.22.20 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:47:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1395311E-3DED-4AB1-B719-616749B29C71@gmail.com> References: <9601E848-22AB-430D-9B66-E542BDF36D64@gmail.com> <1395311E-3DED-4AB1-B719-616749B29C71@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:47:14 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=Tb68eh5XkS5EOyUFKSis18i2OWf-32AcanfFpHuWLQvfxsfi X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kevin, you said before that you have spoken to Leonard Kahn. What is he like? From what I've read, he appears to be a slightly abrasive character :-) On 8 November 2011 05:21, Kevin Raper wrote: > ** > > > > On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > > > best analog am i have ever heard is wsm nashville. uses a blaw knox 1/2 > wave > > over 1/4 ground with an open feeder line. > > The best AM I have ever heard was 1450 WCRS when it had Kahn Good N Loud > Processing and Kahn ISB Stereo into an RCA BTA-1S feeding a 5/8 Wave > Monopole. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Nov 07 17:48:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91116 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2011 01:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2011 01:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f52.google.com) (209.85.214.52) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2011 01:48:29 -0000 X-Received: by bkbc12 with SMTP id c12so7346bkb.11 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:48:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.10.81 with SMTP id o17mr15780450bko.65.1320716908715; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:48:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.22.20 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:48:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:48:28 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=PEAkynanx7xBJVu0KuGh1Nv09PGHVCeePHKDdsEvmNPBk5Tc X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good to hear Juan :-) On 7 November 2011 21:20, Jota wrote: > ** > > > Hi Guys!!! > > Thanks a lot for your care!!! > > I'm fine (except about the typical springtime allergy). > > Last quake was a minor movement at the north part of the country (far way > from me). Of course, any quake is disturbing, any place, any time. But... > we are living here and we know how this is, so... > > To be honest, gentlemen, the only one bad, very, very, very, VERY, bad > thing in my country is... guess: THE POLITICIANS!!! > > If you could give us an helping hand and take all those political people > and put them all out of the planet... I bet you, all the honest and humbl= e > chilean people will thank you forever and ever. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I hope Juan in Chile is ok. Thay just had another big quake. Go= d > bless him and his country. I had just found out that the Auvio 31-134 HD > RADIO witch is rack mountable and the MCS 3050 are the same width. So the > MCS 3050 can be rack mounted. The chip in it needs to be upgraded. What i > still don't get is both the TM 152 and the MCS 3050 has the same chip in > them (MC13020) and the TM 152 sounds much better. Jim Smith Loomis Ca > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 07 17:53:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49344 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2011 01:53:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2011 01:53:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f179.google.com) (209.85.161.179) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2011 01:53:44 -0000 X-Received: by ggnq2 with SMTP id q2so4765247ggn.38 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:53:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.171.34 with SMTP id y34mr936100ano.8.1320717223925; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:53:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm60789863ano.9.2011.11.07.17.53.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:53:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:53:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <9601E848-22AB-430D-9B66-E542BDF36D64@gmail.com> <1395311E-3DED-4AB1-B719-616749B29C71@gmail.com> Message-Id: <84AA2174-CDBA-4814-8DDD-2C3230068AB1@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=D2JXk5NhrNj5CUPi9YmKbiT9lMgzBjPFx14WuFwPzwv9KdBc8eUwIT-fffH9Vw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > you said before that you have spoken to Leonard Kahn. What is he like? From > what I've read, he appears to be a slightly abrasive character :-) I have heard that, but he was as nice as he could be to me. The man is an absolute Genius , but not the most liked person in the business. LOL 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 07 20:32:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36033 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2011 04:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2011 04:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.222) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2011 04:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2011 04:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.57] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2011 04:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2011 04:32:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 907593.29558.bm@smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 3BCr1A8VM1n5yWyS2_vOI9mOzUeJSADH1OxM2lZSFrdjnss 4Wn.d7GSnmEjmBcHT.L3iVfsgFjCzJ2qcYN8Lc2u5g27bXu1KFm_xotIhkmV NTi3_tpu4YWMfPVY_eJefHmOMG82jpASTM42.s4GNhs8nC0wRHkrCMy4ab9T 0EQfPPu_viVvWqHgRXq9MOkN5qeKIJyZu_.KTbyg8O7TtLbklmnvgstnfsPI 4CUbZwSwj6SvH4phbGavkv7uw3b2ICbR3rj0Qoi9qSqrHE_TSgEjLRF19CUo wMG.9N3JCy2bPUSIbZ9kafD2N0xgwWT3yM.HWajrYXDwFGFLETFIYuwypJ8g 5H7b1vBiB0hrnhqmtzREqShlwzCA7iVN65Je11Xi0L85Sno17r4wa5JknLqV IsvgmQtTCd2cZ0.ntVL45IK.GEbXS.g2pp.p7j2MTMq5GOSRyqR.8LK1SAqn m6SaZBIkdf_Q4LinA0OIIIO4MLl_.GCIJfI8qKTZsJoE.NLS_l_pg8SZdRDf EAyOdbzeMpc5OMBxOq716S2YjioZ6KFnU3A57wqvuxuBsZaDIrTIIZ9dfuz6 1ANVZG491wpT9.ZtRt9mslzqv3a6XqsnnJk0oxgBBeoRewl4LOznT0E36RYs ib5iqf2W4QE21ji2KAgzDEmqrRwjW_FpnYB0H1pXbL5v0CtgPvdVw149r9VV hL6oUjgqHdGnfGlI2X.iRDs9woGO62mQsc7s9jomUT3Nz9.O7y0QGrCVE9r6 aeSiGhFptlg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.42.115.137 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Nov 2011 20:32:08 -0800 PST Message-ID: <9AFE8F40A922493CA06A1FE28C71AFCA@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:32:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=_FaOMgSspDzBKZJ4IdEoCU2m5IoP_8RtxjA1yEs4B6XoPhIlrTSmmqFmqKuE7a0xq1PEMQDm X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Juan Its good to from you and that you are ok. Thay can be mutts. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. Good to hear Juan :-) On 7 November 2011 21:20, Jota wrote: > ** > > > Hi Guys!!! > > Thanks a lot for your care!!! > > I'm fine (except about the typical springtime allergy). > > Last quake was a minor movement at the north part of the country (far way > from me). Of course, any quake is disturbing, any place, any time. But... > we are living here and we know how this is, so... > > To be honest, gentlemen, the only one bad, very, very, very, VERY, bad > thing in my country is... guess: THE POLITICIANS!!! > > If you could give us an helping hand and take all those political people > and put them all out of the planet... I bet you, all the honest and humble > chilean people will thank you forever and ever. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jesús Paredes Guerra > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love and hope > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I hope Juan in Chile is ok. Thay just had another big quake. God > bless him and his country. I had just found out that the Auvio 31-134 HD > RADIO witch is rack mountable and the MCS 3050 are the same width. So the > MCS 3050 can be rack mounted. The chip in it needs to be upgraded. What i > still don't get is both the TM 152 and the MCS 3050 has the same chip in > them (MC13020) and the TM 152 sounds much better. Jim Smith Loomis Ca > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blunt discussion about AM Stereo > Hi Kevin, > > you said before that you have spoken to Leonard Kahn. What is he like? > From > what I've read, he appears to be a slightly abrasive character :-) > > On 8 November 2011 05:21, Kevin Raper wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> >> On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: >> >> > best analog am i have ever heard is wsm nashville. uses a blaw knox 1/2 >> wave >> > over 1/4 ground with an open feeder line. >> >> The best AM I have ever heard was 1450 WCRS when it had Kahn Good N Loud >> Processing and Kahn ISB Stereo into an RCA BTA-1S feeding a 5/8 Wave >> Monopole. >> >> 73, >> Kevin Raper >> KJ4HYD >> >> CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >> >> There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical >> standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=Qags3L4oWlphYgDdE7gofy0-sN6d910GH8OrKlw5qM-yNNo X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great to hear, look how liberal Australia is on am and fm broadcasting, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 7 november 2011 18:17 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: I hope Juan is OK. =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Canary Islands got 400 FM pirates, Spain 5.000 pirates. Lot of pirates al= l over around Medditerian sea. > Lot of am pirates in Holland on 1611-1710 kHz, same in Greece. In the USA we have a few AM Pirates and a few Shortwave Pirates, but there = are too many FM Pirates to count. Our FCC is busy busting them, but for eve= ry Pirate that is Busted, a Hundred new ones come on the air. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Tue Nov 08 20:13:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74260 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2011 04:13:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2011 04:13:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2011 04:13:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2011 04:13:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2011 04:13:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 04:13:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Finally tamed the UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=zIYYSS4xryDMDrrvxMmUswkCGwuxNMz58pl19oOLbQCqEgZA4A X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 That basket case of a radio seems to be behaving now on both AM and FM. It = was a simple as some intermittent solder connections and a mis-adjusted slu= g in the AM section. Also I found that the top of the metal case seems to d= etune the circuit somehow and if I flex it enough things come back to norma= l every time. Provided you don't get a lemon this seems to be a great tuner= with a very rich and bright sound on AM and AM stereo. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Nov 09 06:47:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70901 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2011 14:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2011 14:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f180.google.com) (209.85.161.180) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2011 14:47:50 -0000 X-Received: by ggnv5 with SMTP id v5so3492378ggn.25 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 06:47:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.190.10 with SMTP id s10mr1299527anp.126.1320850068915; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 06:47:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c44sm7695674yhm.5.2011.11.09.06.47.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 Nov 2011 06:47:47 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:47:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <09D6DE6F-1E34-4074-A31E-26C9B77A2324@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Finally tamed the UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=18JI9KI195dMsT1uZWAZI1eLuomU-rcApjRdW4E3BvBBlO7pEAIZXLPYOlKg8g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:13 PM, nicholas wrote: > That basket case of a radio seems to be behaving now on both AM and FM. It was a simple as some intermittent solder connections and a mis-adjusted slug in the AM section. That fixes 99% of them. > Provided you don't get a lemon this seems to be a great tuner with a very rich and bright sound on AM and AM stereo. Slap-Dash Quality Control is Delco's biggest problem. The design can't be beat. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Nov 11 11:19:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22575 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2011 19:19:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2011 19:19:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.158) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2011 19:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2011 19:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2011 19:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2011 19:19:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:19:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.53.175 From: "Jota" Subject: About Pirate Stations and other stuffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hWcscqPMqzvhkdgPTvjcjyeStNJ7F2ukDLGmTwWC8-4YECM6Tg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if the FCC Part 15 includes some space(s), into the LW, MW and SW = bands, dedicated to the low power (non-commercials) stations or, as in my b= eautiful country, it is only to the FM (VHF) band. The question is because we know the air-waves are absolutely out of the hum= an control, specially in the bands below 30 MHZ. So... pirate stations (thi= nking about the typical bad antenna installations) would mean... more inte= rferences, etc. In that line, better is to put all the pirates above VHF bands, out of the = old AM (hahahahaha). At last, Does somebody know if there is a way to avoid the extra heat due t= o the "good" weather action on the coaxial line? I'm talking about the STL transmitter part. The SWR is absolutely fine and = it is just a 10 WTS device so we don't use a pressurized line. But, all the= RF output connector part starts to have an extra high temperature with the= sun action. Remember we are in springtime here and we are having 28=BA-30=BA (Celsius) = at day peak moment. Unfortunately, there is no way to get some kind of shadow over the antenna,= because it is 45 mts above the base and the "collateral" buildings, trees,= etc. have around 6 mts high max. Maybe, the extra temp is normal, or into the expected parameters, but... I = don't know why I'm not confortable with the situation. SO... Any idea will be welcome. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 11:37:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44601 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2011 19:37:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2011 19:37:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vx0-f180.google.com) (209.85.220.180) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2011 19:37:58 -0000 X-Received: by vcbfo1 with SMTP id fo1so4912267vcb.25 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:37:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.36.41 with SMTP id n9mr23284843vdj.41.1321040278186; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:37:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hn2sm18364042vdb.14.2011.11.11.11.37.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:37:57 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:37:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} About Pirate Stations and other stuffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=RAT8Y6T7twxfxHM7HiPqLJo4JNGywuvtl6xRilZh3UrqzlLT9Wjm0-VhiqoQ4A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Jota wrote: > I wonder if the FCC Part 15 includes some space(s), into the LW, MW and SW bands, dedicated to the low power (non-commercials) stations Yes, In fact I have 2 such stations. One is on 179 KHz and the other is on 1620 KHz. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 11 19:25:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51542 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2011 03:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2011 03:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2011 03:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111111212533003091100010> for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:25:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EBDE725.4040205@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:25:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:25:33 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111111-1, 11/11/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} About Pirate Stations and other stuffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7SQw6JCWmkNqpwbU7GeD2SqwX0QMakOt7K0FXJmxc0XOvQKzNZGI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/11/2011 1:38 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Jota wrote: > > > I wonder if the FCC Part 15 includes some space(s), into the LW, MW > and SW bands, dedicated to the low power (non-commercials) stations > > Yes, In fact I have 2 such stations. One is on 179 KHz and the other is > on 1620 KHz. :-) > There's also a narrow sliver of the 22m band where you can run up to a watt of power. Can't remember the exact frequencies offhand, but somewhere near 13.5MHz. Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Nov 12 10:56:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34546 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2011 18:56:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2011 18:56:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2011 18:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pACIujWB015928 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:56:45 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 25795E000081 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:56:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <29c6c.76b6ceba.3bf01b6d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:56:45 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408080512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d4ebec16d03b7 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Finally tamed the UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=PaszFrFuGUU59zLU_kKnsRRl8O31xhspfVlPsf19-JWXMQWy-jlH X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Glad to hear you got the UX-1 operating better now. I may try going over all the solder connections in the spare one I have that seems "dead". Perhaps just a loose solder joint somewhere. Thanks again to Kevin for the service tip. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 11/8/2011 11:13:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: That basket case of a radio seems to be behaving now on both AM and FM. It was a simple as some intermittent solder connections and a mis-adjusted slug in the AM section. Also I found that the top of the metal case seems to detune the circuit somehow and if I flex it enough things come back to normal every time. Provided you don't get a lemon this seems to be a great tuner with a very rich and bright sound on AM and AM stereo. From r.lebreton36@gmail.com Sun Nov 13 19:50:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: r.lebreton36@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37242 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2011 03:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2011 03:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2011 03:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2011 03:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2011 03:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2011 03:50:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 03:50:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.248.128.251 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: Current list of AM Stereo stations in North America... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=334013609; y=rX7uXZvowuXPe3Ps-90sqyKRjGzrv5r8MfUezK5mTKkr08ylbAzY X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 Does anyone have such a list? I can *barely* pickup KCJJ from Iowa City in eastern Toronto on a good nigh= t let alone distinguish a stereo signal with my hand-held receiver. Thanks! -R. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Nov 13 20:30:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71857 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2011 04:30:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2011 04:30:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2011 04:30:06 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pAE4U2D4010247 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:30:02 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgc002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A8EC8E000087 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:30:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3675.15aba26.3bf1f34a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:30:02 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:374178272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c84ec0994a15fe X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Current list of AM Stereo stations in North America... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=MO-CIhPtyWGmwS1eRs1uHTNpcDhj9UgMhr47F2CL6Kwl7hurci_h X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I haven't been able to find any up to date list of AM Stereo stations. The only AM Stereo stations I can hear at night are KCJJ 1630 and WLS 890 and WLS is talk radio so most of their programming is in mono anyway. There are a number of lower power AM Stereo stations scattered around the country. They would be useful for mostly local daytime reception. Perhaps with a better AM Stereo receiver like a Delco UX-1 and an outdoor antenna in the clear you could pick up a more reliable signal at night from KCJJ. It will take some patience to hear them well at long distances. There are many nights that I cannot hear them very well here in South Carolina but when their signal peaks up it is great to hear them in full Stereo. 73 - Todd WD4NGG in a message dated 11/13/2011 10:50:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, r.lebreton36@gmail.com writes: Does anyone have such a list? I can *barely* pickup KCJJ from Iowa City in eastern Toronto on a good night let alone distinguish a stereo signal with my hand-held receiver. Thanks! -R. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 14 11:03:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81504 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2011 19:03:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2011 19:03:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2011 19:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2011 19:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2011 19:03:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:03:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Current list of AM Stereo stations in North America... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ozaCl3qDDTV5iQ2fO3cmsY5MufRBzkO1weCIpYlzEk8p_8lm7i4sVjs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi R: I would suggest using your AMS portable 'inside' a tuned loop antenna, and = you might be able to squeak-in CFCO 630 AM stereo from Chatham on day patte= rn they run 10KW. I could pick them up in Buffalo, so you might have a cha= nce. There was also a station on AM 900 in your area that was AM Stereo too= . Don't remember the call letters. Now if you could just get AM740 to go t= o AM stereo, that would be fantastic! 73's John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "r_lebreton36" wro= te: > > Does anyone have such a list? >=20 > I can *barely* pickup KCJJ from Iowa City in eastern Toronto on a good ni= ght let alone distinguish a stereo signal with my hand-held receiver. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > -R. > From jmrouse@mail.com Mon Nov 14 15:02:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51718 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2011 23:02:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2011 23:02:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2011 23:02:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16125 invoked by uid 0); 14 Nov 2011 23:02:33 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.10.180 by rms-us009.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: <20111114230231.43700@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: MavzdiUimCvxelAGuzE2xxs7MTE2Nck4 X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Current list of AM Stereo stations in North America... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=O9uCcrqduIHfasx1Q5ZzDKXniHKnSZsicjUjtnsnY3BNb1NJufdm X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second the motion on CFZM 740. They would be an ideal candidate. Thier current audio sounds good on a widebanded radio. Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio Sent: 11/14/11 02:03 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Current list of AM Stereo stations in North America... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=r8jtEcS5QhUaOw1LMxeabIpE3BTQOeYFSvu7NZajWWW8XBanZ14vQ7cpY-LukPx5iLgSCxnC X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Todd The 900 AM station is WMNB AM STEREO 900 North Myrte Beach Sc . Its only 500ws so you mite have a better chance daring the day. The most curret list is http://meduci.com/stations.html form Jeff Deck's site. Later Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 8:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Current list of AM Stereo stations in North America... I haven't been able to find any up to date list of AM Stereo stations. The only AM Stereo stations I can hear at night are KCJJ 1630 and WLS 890 and WLS is talk radio so most of their programming is in mono anyway. There are a number of lower power AM Stereo stations scattered around the country. They would be useful for mostly local daytime reception. Perhaps with a better AM Stereo receiver like a Delco UX-1 and an outdoor antenna in the clear you could pick up a more reliable signal at night from KCJJ. It will take some patience to hear them well at long distances. There are many nights that I cannot hear them very well here in South Carolina but when their signal peaks up it is great to hear them in full Stereo. 73 - Todd WD4NGG in a message dated 11/13/2011 10:50:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, r.lebreton36@gmail.com writes: Does anyone have such a list? I can *barely* pickup KCJJ from Iowa City in eastern Toronto on a good night let alone distinguish a stereo signal with my hand-held receiver. Thanks! -R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Nov 14 20:08:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34243 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2011 04:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m12.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2011 04:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2011 04:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pAF48iJR006187 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:08:44 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.1]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 190CFE00008D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:08:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1baf5.41ebabc0.3bf33fcb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:08:44 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408073216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4ec1e5cc2d92 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Current list of AM Stereo stations in North America... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=hJsfqujqNFMV3Il33swYeB34XVT7HgDN7ckw4j2fj3HL-_n87nBm X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi Jim, thanks for the link to the Meduci site. Their AM Stereo station list looks to be very current and up to date. I am about 160 air miles distance from WNMB, North Myrtle Beach, SC, but cannot hear a trace of them. Their daytime signal is directional and does not favor my direction from them. Also we have another local station from nearby Savannah, GA - WJLG that is all sports format. They dominate the 900 KHz frequency during the day where I live. I see on the Meduci website they are now offering an AM Stereo C-Quam decoder board for $25 that one could hook up to a good communication receiver with 455KHz output or possibly hook up to most any good radio with a 455KHz IF. There are several communications receivers I am familiar with that have an IF bandwidth of over 10KHz and a 455KHz output that should be ideal to use with the Meduci AM Stereo decoder - the R-390/ R-390A series, the Racal 6790 series and the SP-600 series for starters. Their $25 price sounds very reasonable. I have always wanted to try using a good AM Stereo decoder board with one of these receivers. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 11/14/2011 9:58:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Todd The 900 AM station is WMNB AM STEREO 900 North Myrte Beach Sc . Its only 500ws so you mite have a better chance daring the day. The most curret list is http://meduci.com/stations.html form Jeff Deck's site. Later Jim Smith From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Nov 14 23:02:06 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47116 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2011 07:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2011 07:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2011 07:02:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1321340525; bh=R7gXaukuwkPSDmELDomz9i4rpTnJh3aOCA6Wj4Wbc58=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=f6IQniKjVDb7qOV4OROlTTwnMj0/0dPesW2FYpqSMKruCEXK9xfHa89nIWCklfUEbSzD03p7SwnUMa4WDd1Hzf3L2L1H7HIZ32VXlkfgmz7xi9sazm/469zpjDBfunRC Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2011 07:02:05 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2011 07:02:05 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69229 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2011 03:31:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2011 03:31:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.164) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2011 03:31:34 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP69 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:31:34 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP69.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:31:33 -0800 To: References: <4EBDE725.4040205@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:31:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2011 03:31:33.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[93231390:01CCA0EB] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} About Pirate Stations and other stuffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=RUflGz97DPZz0JQshfNZ98pOuInxNeyPKzt9Djdgx5fA X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Nov 2011 07:02:04 -0000 it's 13.xx mhz somewhere. it's limited to 10uV/m @ 30m 160-190khz is 1 watt input with 15 meter antenna Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} About Pirate Stations and other stuffs > On 11/11/2011 1:38 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: >> >> On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Jota wrote: >> >> > I wonder if the FCC Part 15 includes some space(s), into the LW, MW >> and SW bands, dedicated to the low power (non-commercials) stations >> >> Yes, In fact I have 2 such stations. One is on 179 KHz and the other is >> on 1620 KHz. :-) >> > > There's also a narrow sliver of the 22m band where you can run up to a > watt of power. Can't remember the exact frequencies offhand, but > somewhere near 13.5MHz. > > Scott Todd > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Nov 16 13:02:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33399 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2011 21:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2011 21:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2011 21:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111116150228002574100011> for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:02:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EC424D4.4020100@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:02:12 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:02:28 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111116-1, 11/16/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: in the process of being sold off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ltW9Z14Yaocvdjzogc2EOH0lH0y0ooN2PFqBtRzYoqhq8gBgLT62 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Saw this one recently on the Northpine.com broadcast page: Bahakel Communications is selling its group of four radio stations in Waterloo to Woodward Communications for $3.5 million. The sale includes Oldies KWLO/1330, Talk KXEL/1540, Classic Hits KOKZ/105.7, and "Rock 108" (KFMW/107.9). KXEL, KOKZ, and KFMW also have strong signals in Cedar Rapids but primarily target Waterloo, and KXEL's 50,000-Watt signal can be heard across much of the Upper Midwest at night. Woodward's only other radio stations are in northeastern Wisconsin, though it does own one daily and two weekly newspapers in the Dubuque area. Bahakel has no other holdings in the Upper Midwest. (11/7/2011) KWLO has been a long time AM stereo station playing nostalgia. No idea if the new owners will keep it that way. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Nov 16 13:33:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62573 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2011 21:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2011 21:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2011 21:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111116153326002779500011> for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:33:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EC42C19.1040401@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:33:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:33:26 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4EBDE725.4040205@usfamily.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111116-1, 11/16/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} About Pirate Stations and other stuffs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GGyFUgdmqYDSrxjgCqiC6udiFPU-Zq09AO0cHA3EVQXVddR1_2r5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/15/2011 1:02 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > it's 13.xx mhz somewhere. it's limited to 10uV/m @ 30m > > 160-190khz is 1 watt input with 15 meter antenna 13.553-13.567: 15,848uV/m@30m- per FCC 15.225. The only drawback is this is not only part of an international shortwave band, but is an ISM band as well. 1W on the longwave band may seem like a lot, but given that short antenna (vs. wavelength), it isn't much at all. Also, be very wary of the high RF voltages at the base of it. Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 10:15:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49296 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2011 18:15:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2011 18:15:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2011 18:15:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2011 18:14:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2011 18:14:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:14:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4EC424D4.4020100@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: in the process of being sold off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Irl-awi-mitpt2h0Z6aju7_weOma9O-2x6MT-ZEmnTOXXk_zXCCSyVM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio KXEL/1540 - ooooooh - 50KW - add AM STEREO oldies music - I want! Takes a lot of coin to pay that power bill though. Scott, anybody you know of with those new AM transmitters that back off the= power during low modulation to save 40% on your power bill? John From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Nov 17 10:46:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10665 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2011 18:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2011 18:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f52.google.com) (209.85.213.52) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2011 18:46:19 -0000 X-Received: by ywb5 with SMTP id 5so1968520ywb.11 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:46:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.175.4 with SMTP id y4mr11495952yhl.128.1321555577651; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:46:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm98319247anv.16.2011.11.17.10.46.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:46:16 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:46:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <0B70DFD5-9AFF-4EDC-8D50-D0AB0FCFA3CB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: in the process of being sold off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=xc_msHsCo6KXd9dsuFYqW6dGvPtia-krPVakyofmvPAo29hpArA-EWwGn_QTGg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 17, 2011, at 1:14 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > Scott, anybody you know of with those new AM transmitters that back off the power during low modulation to save 40% on your power bill? Tom at WOR has a 3DX50 with that in it. Even running HD-Radio, it saves Over 30% on the Power Bill. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 05:35:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80680 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 13:35:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2011 13:35:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm36-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.229.112) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 13:35:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 13:35:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.234] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 13:35:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 13:35:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 30563.38637.bm@omp1034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 71896 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2011 13:35:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HyDfMZgVM1nCpkNfMQCPiyzrZxplUeAd4fi9uv0YbgzM2Q7 zpVOo8.yIo.9WrpgB4Zeph81uJKbolLWZd7ryoF4zKSzBZh8ieZFVZyKX39V E.oNV8lz4mR3xUUERqAE.qDM65l4uzp_CyK9v_DULlxB524Yg3YkYphoO4hQ ICkBXxcocQ2_MZZXv1._BB3WYRTmNRDB9AXNXFBFEzaI9DBu2thZOsXEgojE cPfC7OmYtNzHtd22hZR9.AyBvmlc5rqmUyrB83okkeg09n7I8S7kRHh9nrjX U.DwzZi04bPJz8I.9TrNfO0h3LygIeT5xWjhC_cFsgijBMh4tYqhAItlEBlV NMffxE_BmaHJda7eQaj54BNWutzU7bzWYRtpxEI993HC5N5Wmt2UrvpPHw1j ozFcTyeBQh01wB.3mh_ng6bYrowpAIDoktmijwQq8vpi_ X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:35:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1321968941.60638.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:35:41 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Nautel XR6 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=_SNPJXHsn-1bnyBxfFAcs3ctOxXbC_Nv1xHjKG6GYLZ5_gxMNXbK X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if this XMTR. has a provision for an A.M. stereo board, or= how it would have C-QUAM added?=A0 One of the stations I work for recently= bought one. Thanks, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 22 05:46:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39891 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 13:46:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2011 13:46:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f51.google.com) (209.85.213.51) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 13:46:27 -0000 X-Received: by ywp27 with SMTP id 27so172453ywp.38 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:46:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.181.131 with SMTP id l3mr25386499yhm.82.1321969587245; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:46:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y58sm19586748yhi.17.2011.11.22.05.46.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:46:25 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:46:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1321968941.60638.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1321968941.60638.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4825FD06-738B-4443-B331-693DA5DA1982@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XR6 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=nbQv0EqlhOlF8QmMEwvpNXgrdaRD25SGqLiBpVNsu5PKIFNzBuQAYdfNLFIVMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:35 AM, JNR wrote: > Does anyone know if this XMTR. has a provision for an A.M. stereo board, or how it would have C-QUAM added? One of the stations I work for recently bought one. I have one on the air at WLTQ! No place for a Stereo Board, but is very easy to use an External C-QUAM Exciter on this box. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 05:50:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36481 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 13:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2011 13:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm24-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.212) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 13:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 13:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.234] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 13:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 13:50:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 382730.84181.bm@omp1034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 39329 invoked by uid 60001); 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Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:50:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1321969846.34805.YahooMailClassic@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:50:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4825FD06-738B-4443-B331-693DA5DA1982@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XR6 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=5NTcWVlPwYx_NQp41tFuVXSB35RfKMOyL-4eQQvXTwf07WAHZhII X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was reading your review vs. the Armstrong.=C2=A0 I've never heard anythin= g positive about them. If there's an HD radio board, I'd say that can go! What've you heard about the Delta Electronics exciter? Thanks & 73! Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Kevin Raper wrote: From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XR6 question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 8:46 AM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:35 AM, JNR wrote: > Does anyone know if this XMTR. has a provision for an A.M. stereo board, = or how it would have C-QUAM added? One of the stations I work for recently= bought one. I have one on the air at WLTQ! No place for a Stereo Board, but is very easy to use an External C-QUAM Exc= iter on this box. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 22 06:04:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71369 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 14:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2011 14:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f174.google.com) (209.85.161.174) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 14:04:36 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f174.google.com with SMTP id r5so220077ggn.19 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:04:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.195.36 with SMTP id o24mr27069756yhn.57.1321970676583; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:04:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z62sm19682497yhj.3.2011.11.22.06.04.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:04:35 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:04:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1321969846.34805.YahooMailClassic@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1321969846.34805.YahooMailClassic@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <644C0A1E-4B87-4E4A-AE6E-3DF134D4D865@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XR6 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=S-rvHWbaB4nieyud0KCtrKLYtPkNPhK2NL3HtC42Qhl3rsBAbbYFaONo3CYVKA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:50 AM, JNR wrote: > I was reading your review vs. the Armstrong. I've never heard anything positive about them. They are real Garbage out of the factory. I did some Modifications to mine that got rid of SOME of it's problems, but it is still NOT a good Transmitter. > If there's an HD radio board, I'd say that can go! Nope, HD also requires an External Exciter. > What've you heard about the Delta Electronics exciter? They are as good as it gets. So are the Delta Mod Monitors. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 06:23:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92583 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 14:23:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2011 14:23:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.93) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 14:23:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 14:23:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.12] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 14:23:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 14:23:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 450203.16375.bm@omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75485 invoked by uid 60001); 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Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:23:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1321971812.66865.YahooMailClassic@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:23:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <644C0A1E-4B87-4E4A-AE6E-3DF134D4D865@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XR6 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=1ToIF1CBtOF6p_Hj3Rf1DCo9TRhQBPPrHC4WUpmRTDkiqKN29lbc X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's good that they didn't make space for HD at the expense of C-QUAM!=C2= =A0 I will be getting a quote from Delta about their 2 units, then.=C2=A0 I= don't think anyone else manufactures C-QUAM exciters. Thanks Kevin & 73! --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Kevin Raper wrote: From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XR6 question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 9:04 AM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:50 AM, JNR wrote: > I was reading your review vs. the Armstrong. I've never heard anything p= ositive about them. They are real Garbage out of the factory. I did some Modifications to mine = that got rid of SOME of it's problems, but it is still NOT a good Transmitt= er. > If there's an HD radio board, I'd say that can go! Nope, HD also requires an External Exciter. > What've you heard about the Delta Electronics exciter? They are as good as it gets. So are the Delta Mod Monitors. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 22 06:34:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55268 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 14:34:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2011 14:34:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vx0-f182.google.com) (209.85.220.182) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 14:34:36 -0000 X-Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so429845vcb.27 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:34:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.93.107 with SMTP id ct11mr20626011vdb.14.1321972475669; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:34:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eu4sm19064505vdc.8.2011.11.22.06.34.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:34:32 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:34:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1321971812.66865.YahooMailClassic@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1321971812.66865.YahooMailClassic@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <90F144D0-6E09-41C9-BCDF-CAFA31D3A26B@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XR6 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=H_-QbgU1InaNAkN8QUf3GWgXe4K7a8A108dSRtxpByqZvIDIDTZgkXOOPcrGeA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:23 AM, JNR wrote: > I don't think anyone else manufactures C-QUAM exciters. Delta actually made the other Brand Exciters, anyway. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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73! --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Kevin Raper wrote: From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XR6 question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 9:34 AM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:23 AM, JNR wrote: > I don't think anyone else manufactures C-QUAM exciters. Delta actually made the other Brand Exciters, anyway. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Tue Nov 22 09:43:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85722 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 17:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2011 17:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.38) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 17:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 17:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 17:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 17:43:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:43:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <29c6c.76b6ceba.3bf01b6d@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Finally tamed the UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=0e_Xpy4s215LvWNgNe9apx1LQCOQv9EaFs0xf5WzPnQakbLhmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > Glad to hear you got the UX-1 operating better now. I may try going over = =20 > all the solder connections > in the spare one I have that seems "dead". Perhaps just a loose solder = =20 > joint somewhere. Thanks again > to Kevin for the service tip. > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20=20 Might be a good idea but be sure you go over both boards in the system. The= tuner board on top is easy to get to but the board below that is a bit har= der and requires unbolting the base of the radio along with removing the ca= ssette mechanism. I did that on mine and for once I can leave it on for sev= eral hours at a time without incident. Also its possible to press the recal= l button without the thing squealing like a pig. Another AM stereo capable = Delco saved from the land fill or electronics recyclers it seems. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 22 10:07:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55149 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 18:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2011 18:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vx0-f169.google.com) (209.85.220.169) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 18:07:42 -0000 X-Received: by vcbfk26 with SMTP id fk26so642378vcb.0 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:07:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.173.113 with SMTP id bj17mr21384164vdc.98.1321985261650; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:07:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r5sm19765067vdj.11.2011.11.22.10.07.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:07:40 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:07:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <12D55A65-6D1D-4B57-9800-42B066057BC2@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Finally tamed the UX-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=T-LDxM_dCqpcebeu_KgQ2CA-YJfWleL4X02xlnlCeahFy7rjqR2Bgp4fUk7sVw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 22, 2011, at 12:43 PM, nicholas wrote: > Might be a good idea but be sure you go over both boards in the system. Yup, Delco did not even know what "Quality Contol" is when they made that radio! LOL 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 10:23:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58577 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 18:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2011 18:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 18:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 18:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 18:23:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:23:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <90F144D0-6E09-41C9-BCDF-CAFA31D3A26B@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XR6 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zvriB96upNuhXql0jh3WFHsznKp6sJT4kjRRxQgs5CmMiEgvFUiFd8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Might I suggest you talk to Bill Norman at WNMB about his use of external C= Quam exciters? I know he's had at least 2 (one killed by a direct lighting= strike), but I don't know what transmitter he's using his on. I think he'= s got a Delta C-QUAM exciter in use. Regards, John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:23 AM, JNR wrote: >=20 > > I don't think anyone else manufactures C-QUAM exciters. >=20 > Delta actually made the other Brand Exciters, anyway. :-) >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 22 10:27:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26034 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 18:27:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2011 18:27:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f52.google.com) (209.85.212.52) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 18:27:05 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vw0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fp1so843252vbb.39 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:27:05 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.16.243 with SMTP id j19mr21746549vdd.109.1321986425510; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:27:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id em10sm19837153vdc.6.2011.11.22.10.26.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:26:59 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:26:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XR6 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=65nrYV2p_PzmiaW8LZFrWD03en07zmfjelQerK74maHPAAdj9IRuanFzyALwdw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Nov 22, 2011, at 1:23 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > Might I suggest you talk to Bill Norman at WNMB about his use of external= CQuam exciters? I know he's had at least 2 (one killed by a direct lighti= ng strike), but I don't know what transmitter he's using his on. I think h= e's got a Delta C-QUAM exciter in use. I know it is a Harris box, but can't remember if it was a Gates 1 or a DAX = 1=85 I have a Gates 5 Box at WQIZ and other than the "Sloshy Caps" problem, it h= as been a good box. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 22 14:16:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66128 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 22:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2011 22:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.116) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 22:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 22:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.78] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 22:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2011 22:16:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 636442.94226.bm@omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 62295 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2011 22:16:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: X1ChLfMVM1kNv5TA_y8o.TrWzI6NNZC2JrWNOrPPRFD4Psp klAfwFt3d1meqDyOjR7yslG4BzH009ek5TDxLUskSMEnbzcOKK53nOkw053v AWuGeCl2Ria3Eld36qvlkFm1zMhm.7QXsnsTt2hImwvW.ZpJvopVssghnoN7 m33069y4JQGOcxKM_hPpda_voxb.3L3KCswFk8b2wTvmn0TKrRyHKUsqAKG4 UCCqHk.XvxNuJkLIvBBi7aHiviw.EbUqaBhjqnlF5NgASv_bOjsWStOngrG_ Q9o1hohIbXYg_coR38OSxmiCnbo8NaIyR6Y0wwsR3.8TCLeoFE9Mj7DOre1G MjfGaTUqHvhRItLcQ4SO6HCa7LUd5UArAhi.DQwBI.U7FoI.PxUV2C_Ck7ji OpSMNRVkwial1bBRq1YMpV4e8CX0yprY- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.24.203.86 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2011 14:16:41 -0800 PST Message-ID: <6B6A560E29FC42CEAC5901622021B43C@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:16:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Happy Foot Ball Day!!! 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(VPS 111123-2, 11/23/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel XR6 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=R6vTBdT5olEyivJ-sEAzl8F1llZgBjhdCAOBN1Kd3v1-nHvyNq-m X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/22/2011 8:34 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:23 AM, JNR wrote: > > > I don't think anyone else manufactures C-QUAM exciters. > > Delta actually made the other Brand Exciters, anyway. :-) Which one(s)? I know BE made the second generation Motorola stuff (1400 series.) Different meters, switches and faceplate from the BE, but otherwise identical internally. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 23 15:36:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47927 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2011 23:36:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2011 23:36:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2011 23:36:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2011 23:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2011 23:36:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:36:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.200 From: "Jota" Subject: Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yqtVcCnDkvqGhg9XlBcAGz1pzrKDwtzBGKyjMHeT3lIrWCkE0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody has a more direct contact with Armstrong TX. I wrote a= n e-mail to them, around a month ago, and I don't have any answer, yet (whi= ch is rare). BTW: I want to know if the Armstrong AM TXs can have more than the standard= 2x600 Wts modules (to get more than 1000 Wts final RF output, of course). Thanks a lot for any data!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Regi=F3n del Maule, Chile, South America, with love and hope From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Nov 23 16:45:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2808 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2011 00:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2011 00:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2011 00:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pAO0jp3x006539 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:45:51 -0500 X-Received: from core-mga001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.193]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0B501E0000A1 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:45:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <70993.4524b4d5.3bfeedbe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:45:50 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423004384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a4ecd93bf23e8 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Did The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Change Format Recently? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=bpfXCT8MIRDBzBxHeoCrOyW1rHV9WY4QoxEznf0Fv_ygJYYAvMpo X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, The past few nights I have listened for KCJJ they have been broadcasting Nascar races and some kind of Nascar talk radio format? Plus high school sports and what sounds like a Sports/Talk format? I haven't heard any Stereo music the past few nights I have listened. That is a shame as they were the only AM Stereo music station left that I could hear in the evenings after dark on the AM band. They still light up the AM Stereo indicator on the Delco UX-1 when their signal peaks. Perhaps they still play some music late overnight but I haven't been able to tell recently with poor overnight conditions here into South Carolina. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Nov 23 17:20:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45525 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2011 01:20:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2011 01:20:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f48.google.com) (209.85.213.48) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2011 01:20:35 -0000 X-Received: by ywp31 with SMTP id 31so2065919ywp.21 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:20:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.22.164 with SMTP id t24mr38196636yht.67.1322097634989; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:20:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v5sm53513209anf.3.2011.11.23.17.20.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:20:33 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:20:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Ds2nTk9Cr_QXrQLWgrTzcvy_MS-_SLy2vm65DRwqYG6GZzZiTC5kWP70VGrrQg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 23, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > > I wonder if somebody has a more direct contact with Armstrong TX. I wrote an e-mail to them, around a month ago, and I don't have any answer, yet (which is rare). Their Phone number is 315-673-1269 > BTW: I want to know if the Armstrong AM TXs can have more than the standard 2x600 Wts modules (to get more than 1000 Wts final RF output, of course). As far as I know, no. But I can tell you that you do not want one of their Pile Of Crap Armstrong Transmitters. I have an Armstrong X-1000B Transmitter on the air at WCKI. I could not even get 100% Modulation out of it at 1000 Watts RF until I modified the Power Supply! Their FM boxes are also poorly engineered and have NO Quality Control. They also do not support their transmitters with Parts. When My X-1000B died, I had to substitute Nutone NTE Brand TV Parts to get it going! > Thanks a lot for any data!!! Trust me when I say DO NOT buy that Armstrong POS. You would be better off not getting a new transmitter than buying of of these things. If you find a Salesman that is Hungry enough, you can buy a Nautel or a BE Transmitter for about the same price and have a much better transmitter that you can get support for. I can put you in touch with the guy who sold me the Nautel Transmitter at WLTQ. I am sure he could get you a much better transmitter then the Armstrong. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 04:23:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60676 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2011 12:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2011 12:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2011 12:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2011 12:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.172] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2011 12:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2011 12:23:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 600210.23563.bm@omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 21754 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2011 12:23:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CQ0kHsUVM1kL7MO6Nus9QIiXnsOhrSBiy.wws.LxiDE3LHD 0qEsqCPlVH_LczmSl0F_8Z2yWNfZRfeDbBMaM5hUOvJpEk8z2BMxVyq9IcTL WH15D73.MJOsx_gITPC9RQsjspaAiq9d0iRPWtZltyyiEu1I9io2sG04g0le uqfSOFMYKKk0YvE9adcMJimEOm9XdW1xdtMZn0pWOXy6.yvIBd1Jp4Rz9gdK GaFYUAYPghPLhP7tfhomGLpivBgX1pVrJ.tnTpfZLnZZJJDGHBii5yMTLIs0 ygCv0TSNf65IdQZoPausvXdZ6CBWt30csWLMBF0NvpCexe3PECRpXT.R8xg8 IRz3fP4ncHINMjQi9CrosSX7eKyxm4s2mxnuKTGYEFU7q1af3vAXd9fRUAKV jJ_OY99vWoWq7aGlhoijsIppUqTCoVnXP35ioOkMxwA6gzrq9n42jPKUzauj 9h7l9lasPdQyZVHcarQA1kNxIShnXCBd4e405j4mb.J5qx2SdyC.4INr1UvV HPpT47w16DXQuE0Uwi_7BgAiVqNUuZi4e.sZWdiZbWAR7MRb4AlgIZV7xMCa r3AVxhsZ3vWO4XQjMSacygeNFfmSiC_fyCFrr3XrthPUzgASQGr06Z7Fa93W Xt_P2oijpI2kegz6STm7XoMqb0eaQYTPc4CDjcScZCIUFLHn4y5XRH_pCG80 H9n72CHoXQFPq8FHQ40EfKBfr0TO6V.03lQErHZ2nDLXFO7I6UFqPENbXKPq 0c0SBmU_TdRt3vtr_GcIeY2uMPqgBOA5JP8_deC6Dmaly4DpQYn2NbXcP1L_ 11baKgE94UUJrk0rbOtWyQkjmnx2gq1cuL0JHCwmXLgf7gbbM33sn7wFLL73 IR6ZVyfQsv7DH9t6pDqIch.7lPiHLD98oOALP2lwEH3iUvW.RNxX52Ujppod MEFGGNa8iwTaE4ccgiUnAxMMLwtz1I9wRsxXb55sHuXTYblgaSZQMtWeb45X YGI5LJJ006wQ9_qPfe_B3iHeYvodgEveyfdAq0fNKa8VzUeGBu8ihSIidSmQ 2WSYuGgJbOe3F4eBZgXvC6iKzrE4Uf3ghg4Xje2kVbWlI7JcN9xgbGj7Vine V9BGcQaLSP93ordtZVDN452xJYvdPzXX6MwBVgEIsiRWbgJ7D6p5iKAb6wTS zBgdyiQrhFy3VQej4rBhu9rmJTCjrmIMw7avbhP30LGdCzgm1u9VXl7mzUpg fUBXT.1FV9_BmWfjcvbR3Or7QK_oeZ5yLZwaqwnsAx8HxJb6JKjhIaHw5CHO ioGqYRtqq0QOxoxnj3AaWdD7ooH7UYhAdILIA5xKWJfNoJA_zJNXzFHeO0wr WfC7FvYBInNCItEolgR33VBrOW3H9KT7ZnzARLlAUg3CgdltaI3.tQc2IUcc Ng50rXd5LqG91vnfH_IDl3DF7.tNcM838nOuvPgzKWtQw2IucJgLiudKwzs5 9tcuReFIbSqUt3qHixXHUls4r2q4e_HHGlNPOjJ1wVGv5h5OUAlBME.vMTjs TuCdfOh3f7oCjy4LbzR1m9.FgHXpgYTLcXKguDvXLIdNPYyTeSb2JKzA5tp5 nUAq5HDQ1pQdsYuG_nYfOzQ4hLRYGQ.eWcOpijKz93bwnhFItwp8a1dcR.FN IYgTEDmqUMFAU0SydVaas1PR.qMfMgZkAr7.ufKpT5JliquNcqLQAmf8eKET 7Hm75SNmRsqVy8A4YtykyU57tDvr8qULWM.J80uV5U7oCBE8dBwpjQ9qZwIB SQaCOupBNqsamR.84Mbwx32DLvTfcjzQXAunQgf8mSGhZAuMKCvxy9sCj3c4 2JfLiqHy_CKf8sj2fNJh8Xp0h6vEJiv1QkckLqt1D2Wiv86cy2uMU0D.GrXN Zh9YieYKS5lQoHZfwjNV5Hg9wy_wIy1UtGxA1kheEgWJQkaijbtMP.QDOoXP FFVkbjPILXGzUTc5jdks.ccotO2CQbSFtLyCf.Dcej5j7Gp_3GhCRz6GfLUd eCjXG3n1EtSCothg8BAoOq.LT.PQtNQ58.r_35Ms1qCPVsvB1LOyXt9TiFM9 lrtqTyc.c1RUVPXBSb.VWSR_6jDGm4KLo1dCDovDypbiS00O9b0VXQCtBrWR 43GUYQocQbAB4ZZ5EYOss1d3ll7VCdt4lg5MVtFB3qDRrWfSCX2WA8j4CZgr V1eMWBchl8Ayt5Id02pAzjvu7lfDrKIPMKIUrTaZaW5uSDSM41N6RBvGdgn0 lStP4gguHk1sBtVU46Ew0PIt0aAKeK8E2MApZ5lOXbupo0LTbCk4kTi43UnV 4v2u8xBtNjTJPal.MnX0w2FSpE9aEeIi44nSOnzHxY0FEkb362a5xeRmvGgZ f72vij4ya0q.2fJjmG9RSKLj6l5C5i7Xy0IbPWFCvfjKfUBd4SAA1tKLxT2r 3fx7NrQ.hItJ6mzWd49hrVN2nupR_fndh3emvG.UNsxU1cW74z2wAbfbIjyz YzwXHiIrmox5VUYMs3R52SbcW0D5PKsJa0k2wmJq_HgxuU3JMrE6et.ngkcp oV2gXj5vvrGuOeGtK3MSeQp2o7W3yFgt942XpMQDwLL50s3U1ISKgOBhRj88 95J9gZUSjqFd8Z9zp1sjFo5ob0EQw1DiYU2AvcxG_IjoeFQtlKMwtwj5hRL7 fD9ZlmFxsuKtJ2We6N4cisjm6xvSU3QlCKJ6LPBcP8vBkRC3ENpD6fGWm0uc oWGVigyDIhmACiTnQkj2ILwUP0hJmF4QaaQwo2jnePHXxoIkCtppH2ZAjrD5 Obto_DuVpveVIGqNHQEuShppdPz.FApAQkQf4VmHVFC4es6aZMm9HW20fuKF AvjUDkk0cK7OAXc5rVpVmM_raW3inHxAz0hpPDMk7gJguLJX.C7B7XDRkVYl 0TiJqMvI_BTgvAnXrLpqn5eZ5pMaxjslztJuT_CWISE5RCwYZRszsYi5jk4q Iz5ZdifLLBoT5qDTOtJMSGj6UnABvcGPlwmd9sIzYc6ESxpPFOebsv2t1DvE KfTo9 X-Received: from [174.67.106.2] by web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:23:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1322223812.18734.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:23:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6B6A560E29FC42CEAC5901622021B43C@jim3slp85ju21o> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Foot Ball Day!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=2s63h1PS3J-7b5m-viTmXDDUwmrggnyAp30CGCsCIzrmwWu5zjKw X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was in New England, yes.=C2=A0 WARL, WOON & WVBF all had HSFB on while o= ver on F.M., WATD-FM & WCIB had HSFB.=C2=A0 Games typically started @ 10. --- On Tue, 11/22/11, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: {AMSF} Happy Foot Ball Day!!! To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 5:16 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Gang Happy Foot Ball Day!!!! Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Nov 25 06:50:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22979 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2011 14:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2011 14:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2011 14:50:26 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pAPEoO0t018743 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:50:24 -0500 X-Received: from core-mga001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.193]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 88E7DE000085 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:50:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1594.603c77cc.3c010530@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:50:24 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486826592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74ecfab3043ef X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Did The Mighty 1630 KCJJ Change Format Recently? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=sEsdyGLnDXGUMQ-J-vwILTEeEqGoKal_PPeHraYZoTV7yodA_vTB X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, It looks like I may have been in error when I thought KCJJ may have changed format. They were back to playing music again Thursday night so I hope that is the current trend. Several days in a row all I could hear was Nascar race news and a talk-radio like format from KCJJ. Maybe something to do with the upcoming Thanksgiving Holiday? I need a test station to check out my AM Stereo radios at night, so glad KCJJ is still playing music! Hope everyone here had a nice Thanksgiving. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Nov 27 18:58:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12777 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2011 02:58:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2011 02:58:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2011 02:58:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 02:58:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 02:58:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:58:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.198 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=OUwqCNCdhptV3ibYS2bbGVgdyFf_O0eNdP15OML5F9fVh04r6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > As far as I know, no. But I can tell you that you do not want one of thei= r Pile Of Crap Armstrong Transmitters. I have an Armstrong X-1000B Transmit= ter on the air at WCKI. I could not even get 100% Modulation out of it at 1= 000 Watts RF until I modified the Power Supply! Their FM boxes are also poo= rly engineered and have NO Quality Control. They also do not support their = transmitters with Parts. When My X-1000B died, I had to substitute Nutone N= TE Brand TV Parts to get it going! >=20 > If you find a Salesman that is Hungry enough, you can buy a Nautel or a B= E Transmitter for about the same price and have a much better transmitter t= hat you can get support for. >=20 > I can put you in touch with the guy who sold me the Nautel Transmitter at= WLTQ. I am sure he could get you a much better transmitter then the Armstr= ong. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 Hi, Kevin!!! Thanks a lot for your advice!!! I didn't know about the price of Armstrong TXs and I thought it was a more = cheaper option than BE, but I didn't know any about the quality. I wonder what do you think about Energy-Onix TXs, or if you could advice me= about a less than US$ 15,000 full 1,000 - 2,000 Wts unit. Thanks a lot for any data!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 08:26:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99424 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2011 16:26:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2011 16:26:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f44.google.com) (209.85.212.44) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2011 16:26:34 -0000 X-Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so4665348vbb.3 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:26:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.69.13 with SMTP id a13mr14550012vdu.89.1322497593636; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:26:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z6sm49494643vdg.18.2011.11.28.08.26.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:26:26 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:26:19 -0500 Cc: David Shepeard , Jota Message-Id: References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=q0cyqLyPLh0VvXB45hovWSXTQZWmowCIoRECc3v6UFkRbBklkmG5tJKn8VO33w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 27, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Jota wrote: > Thanks a lot for your advice!!! Always happy to help. > I didn't know about the price of Armstrong TXs and I thought it was a more cheaper option than BE, but I didn't know any about the quality. They are real Garbage. The best thing an Armstrong Transmitter is good for is a Boat Anchor. Do yourself a Favor and email a Buddy of mine, David Shepeard david@rfspecialtiesofga.com He is the guy that sold us the Nautel XR-6 at WLTQ. Just tell him I sent you. I am sure he can get you a Good Price and a GOOD Transmitter. Both BE and Nautel make great AMs and he can get good prices on them. The Nautel uses World standard parts, so they might be your best choice for South America. > I wonder what do you think about Energy-Onix TXs, or if you could advice me about a less than US$ 15,000 full 1,000 - 2,000 Wts unit. I can't comment on the Energy-Onix box because I have never had to work on one, but I understand they make a good transmitter with good International Support. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Nov 28 10:10:56 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76876 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2011 18:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2011 18:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.94) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2011 18:10:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1322503851; bh=ltv6eGz75AizoIpFp/TcsyIRv7ZbUIK6s0gZABKXR2k=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=R25ZIFuobRJtz9ydnI9Gpnf5Yw8F8U2UX4Hwma933wUwMV9Pp4Z6NhrKf8KLwTX/4NzKgFbZTtbKI/emtri/dOX0Z1LIdqQXxaZQM/8cPRTlkq8BpJRclN5dB0YdvSQy Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 18:10:51 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 18:10:51 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 18:10:50 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68869 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2011 15:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2011 15:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.153) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2011 15:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP4 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 25 Nov 2011 07:00:28 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP4.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 25 Nov 2011 07:00:26 -0800 To: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:00:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2011 15:00:26.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7451660:01CCAB82] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: some equipment im selling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=AygzASdYfnZkBiWysFqVgYxFEWXMgXY-v_mLZzLVrODD X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 28 Nov 2011 18:10:50 -0000 trying to finance some studio upgrades have the following for sale..... will have some CRL processing for sale after i get the upgrades. Digitech TSR-24S Digital effects Processor $75.00 Custom Built Broadcast Quality Part 15 AM Broadcast Band Transmitter (no license needed when adjusted to part 15 rules/up to 2 mile range)(needs Repair) comes with big bag of spare parts $250.00 J.R. Cunningham 36 Watt RMS AM Mono 530-1700KHz Crystal Controlled Broadcast Band Transmitter with manual and a spare tube (needs Reapair) $300.00 Ramsey FM25A 88-108 MHz FM Stereo Broadcast Band Transmitter outputs 25mW (already assembled) and has 1 mile range when used with rooftop 5/8 wave antenna and good quality coax $75.00 Ramsey STC1C Assembled FM Stereo Broadcast Audio Processor / Limiter $40.00 Talking House II 100mW 530-1700khz AM Mono Broadcast Band Transmitter with built in Automatic ATU (no license required) $100.00 2 North Country Radio FM Stereo Broadcast Transmitter Kits Partially Assembled 100mW 88-108 Mhz $60.00 for both boards B&K Model 1470 40MHz Dual Trace Analog Oscilloscope (cherry condition) $60.00 Alltech Model F230U audio Function Generator $200.00 Ramsey PA-20 VHF-FM RF Linear Amplifier Kit (instructions can be found on the web to modify for FM Broadcast) $40.00 Ramsey VHF-FM linear Low Noise Pre Amplifier Kit $40.00 RCA Wired Lavaleir Mic. probably 50's to 60's vintage. $75.00 Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 12:23:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77378 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2011 20:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2011 20:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.48) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2011 20:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 20:23:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 20:23:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2011 20:23:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:23:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.54.132.46 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MJys61JvScgtbWRnunudCheJ_w_sexErZuKssDEMbmt2-_gSHw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Kevin!!! Thanks a lot for all your data. I'll contact Nautel, Energy-Onix and BE. Then I'll see which is on my price= range. BTW: I know BE gives C-Quam as an internal optional. Is the same with Naute= l? Because I know Energy-Onix doesn't have that option (we have to get an e= xternal C-Quam exciter). AND... I don't know how to explain it but "my" bra= nd new TX has to be AM Stereo (I would prefer ISB but... C-Quam is the only= option today, so...) GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Nov 27, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Jota wrote: >=20 > > Thanks a lot for your advice!!! >=20 > Always happy to help. >=20 > > I didn't know about the price of Armstrong TXs and I thought it was a m= ore cheaper option than BE, but I didn't know any about the quality. >=20 > They are real Garbage. The best thing an Armstrong Transmitter is good f= or is a Boat Anchor. >=20 > Do yourself a Favor and email a Buddy of mine, David Shepeard david@... H= e is the guy that sold us the Nautel XR-6 at WLTQ. Just tell him I sent you= . >=20 > I am sure he can get you a Good Price and a GOOD Transmitter. Both BE and= Nautel make great AMs and he can get good prices on them. The Nautel uses = World standard parts, so they might be your best choice for South America. >=20 > > I wonder what do you think about Energy-Onix TXs, or if you could advic= e me about a less than US$ 15,000 full 1,000 - 2,000 Wts unit. >=20 > I can't comment on the Energy-Onix box because I have never had to work o= n one, but I understand they make a good transmitter with good Internationa= l Support. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 28 12:43:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71351 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2011 20:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2011 20:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO s001.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2011 20:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111128144323002948300011> for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:43:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4ED3F262.5080801@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:43:14 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:43:23 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111128-2, 11/28/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=qm4sNBVBp-uIkcyzvog1S-_vHh79vRbyxSalwTR5BQYzY8x6pGwe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/28/2011 2:23 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi Kevin!!! > > Thanks a lot for all your data. > > I'll contact Nautel, Energy-Onix and BE. Then I'll see which is on my > price range. > > BTW: I know BE gives C-Quam as an internal optional. Is the same with > Nautel? Because I know Energy-Onix doesn't have that option (we have to > get an external C-Quam exciter). AND... I don't know how to explain it > but "my" brand new TX has to be AM Stereo (I would prefer ISB but... > C-Quam is the only option today, so...) I don't think BE offers AM stereo as an option anymore. Not that it can't be converted. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 18:48:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1059 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2011 02:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2011 02:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f175.google.com) (209.85.213.175) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2011 02:48:16 -0000 X-Received: by yenl4 with SMTP id l4so1434457yen.6 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:48:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.181.72 with SMTP id k48mr69010305yhm.1.1322534894960; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:48:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v5sm97900078anf.3.2011.11.28.18.48.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:48:12 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:48:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <47586519-9FA4-4C79-AEF5-DBF0D7F3B2C4@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=KdYhUxFuuZVfOhJda-lurNT0AaInpM4Hq07JI4Yrxj4XUZh38ad3vCuCKtanRA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Nov 28, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Jota wrote: > BTW: I know BE gives C-Quam as an internal optional. Is the same with Nau= tel? Because I know Energy-Onix doesn't have that option (we have to get an= external C-Quam exciter). AND... I don't know how to explain it but "my" b= rand new TX has to be AM Stereo (I would prefer ISB but... C-Quam is the on= ly option today, so=85) If you are gonna run C-QUAM, go with the BE. They have by far the best Ster= eo Audio. The BE AM1A is the ONLY Transmitter that I know of that can be ha= d with Stereo built in that is still in production. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 05:35:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40614 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2011 13:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2011 13:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.94) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2011 13:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2011 13:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2011 13:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2011 13:35:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:35:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47586519-9FA4-4C79-AEF5-DBF0D7F3B2C4@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.54.132.46 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=zSWezR5z7n_RHueWbBPYwapDQ6q287eQqoqdLH-51BuXLKEaYg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Scott and Kevin!!! It's a pity about BE doesn't build C-QUAM AM TXs today. But... just in case, both of you live inside USA territory, so you're close= r them than me. Could you contact them and ask them about the C-Quam option= al card they offered time ago? ??? PLEASEEEE!!!!!!! I'd really love to be able to buy the 2500 Wts BE TX. Why 2500 Wts if my li= cense is only to 1000? ??? Well, it is a family tradition: to always get a = double (or more) beasts, to be always "comfortable" (with enough room) to a= ny situation. Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love, blessings and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Nov 28, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Jota wrote: >=20 > > BTW: I know BE gives C-Quam as an internal optional. Is the same with N= autel? Because I know Energy-Onix doesn't have that option (we have to get = an external C-Quam exciter). AND... I don't know how to explain it but "my"= brand new TX has to be AM Stereo (I would prefer ISB but... C-Quam is the = only option today, so=85) >=20 > If you are gonna run C-QUAM, go with the BE. They have by far the best St= ereo Audio. The BE AM1A is the ONLY Transmitter that I know of that can be = had with Stereo built in that is still in production. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 29 06:55:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43143 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2011 14:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2011 14:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f41.google.com) (209.85.212.41) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2011 14:55:11 -0000 X-Received: by vbbfn1 with SMTP id fn1so5698936vbb.28 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:55:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.173.204 with SMTP id bm12mr10895508vdc.46.1322578510344; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:55:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k4sm54211320vdu.2.2011.11.29.06.55.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:55:05 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:55:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.41 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=nLoPXkk506tKFsjACVWx-UPI1Z3t5JootBtN92JgQi30L1R5anVZC5nofYoWQA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 29, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Jota wrote: > It's a pity about BE doesn't build C-QUAM AM TXs today. As far as I know, they still do. I put one on the air Last Spring, Anyway. > But... just in case, both of you live inside USA territory, so you're closer them than me. Could you contact them and ask them about the C-Quam optional card they offered time ago? ??? PLEASEEEE!!!!!!! I just got off the phone with David at RF Specialties, He says Energy-Onix can custom build you a C-QUAM Transmitter. > I'd really love to be able to buy the 2500 Wts BE TX. Why 2500 Wts if my license is only to 1000? ??? Well, it is a family tradition: to always get a double (or more) beasts, to be always "comfortable" (with enough room) to any situation. The BE AM1A has more then enough Headroom for you. I have one as my Back-Up Transmitter at WLTQ and it was do an Easy 1200 Watts @ Stupid Asymetrical Modulation, like 170%+!!!! Of course you make most radios distort at over 125% Positive, and It is illegal, so I would not do that all of the time. One thing you may not understand about modern PDM Solid State Transmitters is they are made to run at, or very near their Designed Power level, or they distort the Audio. All Else being equal, a 2000 Watt Transmitter running at 1000 Watts will sound MUCH worse then a 1000 Watt Transmitter running at 1000 Watts, and it will be less efficient. If your country will allow it, Carrier Dependent Modulation will make the transmitter run cooler, and save about 30% on the Power Bill Vs running a full carrier all of the time. It will also fool the AGC on most radios making your station seem louder on the dial then other stations using standard AM. The only bad thing is it does let more noise into your Signal. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 10:14:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65186 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2011 18:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2011 18:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2011 18:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2011 18:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2011 18:14:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:14:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Nu_93j7fHvWEd3GH4EKwu9_wbYVgvaCdOatbwGG2WTat4UoRqkNoZ-s X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Forget the WalMart Armstrong junk. Buy the CQUAM " BE AM1A " - they are dependable too; even after moving one = from one transmitter site to another! John From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 29 10:20:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52396 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2011 18:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2011 18:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.220.170) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2011 18:20:23 -0000 X-Received: by vcbgb30 with SMTP id gb30so11929706vcb.1 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:20:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.24.13 with SMTP id q13mr48671537vdf.104.1322590823334; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:20:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c7sm54847292vdh.12.2011.11.29.10.20.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:20:22 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:20:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Qatmjkd5IH7NWsRXlfnxSoA1mPmQxS75jG6gpXBFFhMtc6hun4pCaXTyILriPA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 29, 2011, at 1:14 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > Forget the WalMart Armstrong junk. > > Buy the CQUAM " BE AM1A " - they are dependable too; even after moving one from one transmitter site to another! Agreed. WLTQ's AM1A is as tough as a Walmart Steak. It just eats Lightning like it is nothing and keeps on trucking. It is worth every dime you have to spend to get one. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 29 23:43:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31142 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2011 07:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2011 07:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.207) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2011 07:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 07:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.105] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 07:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 07:43:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 324036.98824.bm@omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 57706 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2011 07:43:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: HnPEGKoVM1npYMnfqrWAy66BQXYRJkut9NE3qeqgPhcJnQ0 s9uU5WpMjm60c0kKsCxyKcceOWEmCZzEVfujXonlGfGIpcm0dxznGeIEwZQn KmhKytCtjsM0AybNIIyxP7RszHmi_Hf2ktF0Bqn_cFscPDq4OKSbW3c2nlRs fSZGmqFetnid2Va43oYQvLebUwht8aeOdLDR2sPlqxhu83OucPPCUMiYv2y1 _32XU1rA0iXslQL4EQJQyC3WEFPISNYSoPtxh0rcqtbQvH7mTJvVsKfmgtPj .mtPbHhlE8As51WmSe596FXWsV_.FYui7neyCr3olFdAi_g.W7wI00sgn9vs cGw0mPuYfHSujllFXnzEJfCc0.6jEQ0Q8rOe6k7lhfh1WZbAxoHf.GHqr6bQ VrsmnSqe..Su2BmTx08A3cwnw3lhZHw46mnWSQZzspCdgvdjqQWVmvaFAMJk - X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@68.72.217.177 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2011 23:43:18 -0800 PST Message-ID: <437EF19001794DBCB030FD043E6D9541@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:43:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: BE site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=1x4wltUt9FZypXJlQDmVdEIUKVZwNH7e91mCJqTgtXamngR5VuXDgK9WgwYqa2eXA8F7EIls X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Juan and gang. I had found the BE site. Its www.bdcast.com . Thay have a contact button on there site. I hope this helps you. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 30 03:21:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13230 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2011 11:21:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2011 11:21:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm26.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.91) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2011 11:21:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 11:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 11:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 11:21:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 744361.65693.bm@smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ZalZt30VM1noPM8Knh1eGSS8V2mh5yN2fSio.0303dchzYQ cYguW4D6MNsZSP3pn4Onb8WF6rWTRdjrcBTmiP22.f6OTwjXKAxQNZd86l7E VTEr1.SdayZC10_M.vMEBEr4oHjSPcbAqm1DT1k6gTrP3J.nuz01JSANNibU nHrw3j0uAFMShapBJIusi.fS1H5WSj_XNwNJYE_Tnb4_05lZUjSiXXwh85r8 Wy4oqTaEcivSlorxgtSzE5sbpFK6Z.Idd3gta9f0MORNOCD5X_Ro1k5Jbdke DkYVj3B92f232SK3akQRFdOou9OZkwtXrn0pNO88bfcm3BGaw37KTFC18zAf gSjDB2LAIabYmokjRhn1GjBDadR0WbHiVVzKwaKhvDEQgk4Iy2lNFMtlzM37 pQXl3amWHNVj6Cio_kEMc0f19OdP1cZH8UdwBTZ9b14Tp20BLaGbysOx4tpr 1x1VGw47PlIgEImN.CTD0qt8VglAW5T3S.qJD.F9ppWRvjubSW7ayteCnDf3 HsloS7BFRcnpqQMEmI_NajNEFRv97EbUh7oLZNb8aZBCpvwK6qOaNfPL4cC_ 53pH5NBrnhKw43P9vbg0O0GiBxjMLe642uR_xX7KtpXigyhJiADBJw0BF0h2 JI79yGOFgIwg2WBrItxJrmwf0i_OfzBxaqbcszfdGa6UPn2KZE7dhSL5uI_G bvhZ9zVxL3NLri9Ybce5xdLqye5fcA7KJ6RGHoLi_t018SoBdSSx3QPpPVXy .1S_4K_QqEQtEYjCUkFswhQehsaK9NKZ4vVNJmKnyTRg4HuJh4zmDZcb..Cc lVDLhgGvdhwZVQz3m2pAv5.mq9iee6aR_khAryJmc2P_BwTTZiEo47pY0PSy Z8X4RsJlGdwLSPRMvZddqfOvDZPA9p5KQAY8OYQcVNxn1ILwp36W4eBNrlQq CK37gSwOob85v_HPcnVtWTRzcU_6xw1rp3fD1j.Fbp82Y2hZ5lzTyABVQKwR PeSjU_ux1hPcUI.1NrqgVcFCBcH_BZ2Ps6Oan0oluksuzX18.fTGawUMxtkE LQLKiJN6ciCGFrEqlFqfvx6PGlEdlni3ey.NBqgnohm2vXFQwmNmruyvhGgT emPcqm0WVeEedJ0POcfjLpTpcjtsugEqGbE9j0Cu3SwdH7wdVTHeUP92dZxG R3vszX0BoVZvrIFS3jRqWS.1rUuOUzx8Pk1dt6R_RP6XB7.glk_O5pPsTJdk Odw7ljOVi3ievcJLmaZa2hmFig1fcbZZ4xd9rCEBBSzIoom7.ib5I3g2eqZR QURkeMd6KwipAR5kRRE0onqD875PEXrWhgtreBC0rutk0EDW_B91htDCh_Sv 9XKyQ5SBTgRN5GBvUvVAZQqkPFr7u15XsJv3t_4n6_UbsWEZ2oqv_ej7ozT5 t3r4Zgd5omv9qcS433wDTf5X3FoOL01BpFbdWv9OcMv1z82q3egn_0P5ksNy eVXENM8NnI79jUFO8N60ty6rTk9K9DJWj.unysQjm.8mPKLQJqq4UaIpaKgv I5rTYLLtxZQq2hgkN4HKsv4SFbeRclHESRcIwhmoVW8N.1OCRXk8xMnqzpZw 3R.Rj_GBFFJtb4Pb6f7x5D7c.qsWyoKlq2As3M38PfHiXyNkLPzWm_FfcRTz ffKAyULByUanQsd4v31PriIv6lK7V_Cv5QboViVgDwgttLJClkArMbn1Ak9l 2V3xggM1bHZuT2R20IN0pOTXZZtA5_T4AlJ8KJb8jGY_8VeJZ524ALM35dOJ 8iLeO07WRfSC.3rci2zxCLW8a8qU4jYyks48gTqNd5K4R2NcscwEFmVA3cjr Y.o_R8GlTeIyifQis1adPLlZpuIQer3aL_sRuMzm.2G__r.NhqpoY7RR.Ho8 ZcnLGYGr8kMLKwfLG4WRjwIev2bOSDEkI9.pqbhnLyQqZLx8AFijYRVB64pD dO_Lgdv0rq9BsF9OZoZgrvhjs9BnpD7Jqn2kMMAKRB.HaXioy3GAvq76QHVp BfUXdtdYfLelaTvDBKzLE98b_JjASEMuBR3jd72dF8OKieuFfg9GL.uiNZRH Vt1QyX7pPPBdqlDZHXVDcJ9CL9pEuldWYFXtw7EYzmXmrFunSqRoCJayp7GE HhDuMDaSpV9mQgDpRb2idNS9I8WiLgWg_PAyw7oxihC18gRNkhtEY2zELIUx GckYgjYGjk0lb5zPTTkdQGN29Ur1qTAIcIumbL2SHtx66J9zHR4hz1U1Wwxd scusd6IAJfhUVhX7EMLxSFEiu8CaWwnhzuQqvH5O4MAAWnkLyqtko18_jo23 0hHYfB7qxXQnTYX7Et.TrgDUEfLeg6eG8zg5WRcHZm8ixAQDQp009kZNC87x MG5MRs06u507pCwlHqwxJKzdi3LlEmwrHGLzQsCfe_L.pMhnJLet95sV8TSN rFApz0CBy6b7tzm7KIRhp_HvYs0sG__CXxwyXSHFGYg8ZRoxPK0903WOcjy1 .YUeE_obYM_VVYbc1n.D405JvjpV4OmUklxlUBo5EcLk82ydLc3A5T4KfRq4 ojt_h1JbQK4BVA8Yjjq0qeO2yaJNJUP1x0qeLbChPjFt.9iQNImBfBSac7wN bIbdLHKiLRMJKynL8vEnWZMybxlRjwkkIiYERn5Gs4mZPEJqqiMNH6lyBp2C mgkn48gpGMK7QfCB4y7cLgyeYGd9ADJu6RlRBmiC1UGXfOsu0ttPG86yA3iQ oQBPZ39MuLizkiiZyMon4ha0BTna0jmaw4lN_1KtlLR.GjsAhEPYu.xfTf97 _iAG7y6B.Fe4al5Ug1jM_BrNkCTFaxc1a3r7clwFIM0nnDhhxzGMyCHsreL3 CUFwdTOKmYFpRr8VcGfWzFD_2TOxvME4AHKdzivrQrZxn7WGJJp1lq8Uar6I skEyB2r718R5PjnU.3kByUcQ4sO6cVGxdbN0RcE5y0QEezuRXflVW3.MCd7d 8Y08Xr9ECDsK0IIGHaZscPobYoCHHbvPN0i81IcfXKvvGWajrfIfp0QE.K2S qy6ytxan9blLAYtfiJZLwtcuYxmXUg9S5U5eD_Ps8Si4RNBWsa8X5t78gKl5 uPIoKiR4U5i51m.DbcZJBlUrWZj8tq4VATlUA67nqEzJNzdMMoOThxbsmesA CsV7ywhZWxpcg3nr7GttYBEzeX8ZRdCqXKA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@68.72.217.177 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2011 03:21:39 -0800 PST Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <437EF19001794DBCB030FD043E6D9541@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:21:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=2iOWtXoZ0bMWyPMHKBm00g94G5cO48GMoFojye4dHbZGTU7JJ-CEg1NB1W-GkyJktE9reOyo X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Juan again and gang. You do have one point about KAHN ISB AM STEREO . You can tell your listeners to tune two AM mono radios on both sides of your signal for AM STEREO!!!! If you goverment will let you transmitt it. Other than that you can tell them about finding AM STEREO radios on the internet. Some thing we did not have back in the 80's and early 90's.Jim Smth ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:43 PM Subject: {AMSF} BE site Hi Juan and gang. I had found the BE site. Its www.bdcast.com . Thay have a contact button on there site. I hope this helps you. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 06:26:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62643 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2011 14:26:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2011 14:26:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.28) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2011 14:25:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 14:25:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 14:25:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 14:25:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:25:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.162 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=01q9ntRCqsmxhZprUysuZkJW7dIKfZSAU1w6EQkJZ7FdKq9eug X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Kevin!!! I didn't know that issue about PDM AM TXs. I'm accustomed with the basic AM= theory and I don't see any reason to distort the audio if we change the fi= nal RF power (increase or decrease the rated level). But... I'm not an expert so I'll trust in you and I'll try to get the BE AM= -1A. Just some doubts... 1) Do you know the today total final price of the AM-1A? With and without t= he C-Quam card? ??? 2) Does it need an external "rough" power line controller? 3) Are you sure it doesn't have problems to give the rated 1000 Wts final p= ower, 100% average audio modulation, 24 hrs a day, 365 days per year, at le= ast the next 25 years? ??? My doubt is because I've seen devices with the f= inal transistor section full burnt (I'm talking about local chilean makers = TXs). That's the main reason I'm afraid to get a just 1000 Wts device. Well, thanks a lot for your data!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 >=20 > The BE AM1A has more then enough Headroom for you. I have one as my Back-= Up Transmitter at WLTQ and it was do an Easy 1200 Watts @ Stupid Asymetrica= l Modulation, like 170%+!!!! >=20 > Of course you make most radios distort at over 125% Positive, and It is i= llegal, so I would not do that all of the time. >=20 > One thing you may not understand about modern PDM Solid State Transmitter= s is they are made to run at, or very near their Designed Power level, or t= hey distort the Audio. >=20 > All Else being equal, a 2000 Watt Transmitter running at 1000 Watts will = sound MUCH worse then a 1000 Watt Transmitter running at 1000 Watts, and it= will be less efficient. >=20 > If your country will allow it, Carrier Dependent Modulation will make the= transmitter run cooler, and save about 30% on the Power Bill Vs running a = full carrier all of the time. It will also fool the AGC on most radios maki= ng your station seem louder on the dial then other stations using standard = AM. The only bad thing is it does let more noise into your Signal. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 06:29:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29345 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2011 14:29:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2011 14:29:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2011 14:29:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 14:29:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 14:29:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:29:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.162 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ul-QEo6CgnJrN7lbGht0_k5j5RvuX0kUv6O9pefGDkO0-Cnwtg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Jim!!! I'd love to broadcast with ISB AM Stereo system!!! But I know that the toda= y reality is just C-QUAM. And I know that if we could get a brand new AM St= ereo tuner in the market, it would be C-QUAM. So... I have to use C-QUAM. I= t is what it is. Whatever, thanks a lot for your data!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Juan again and gang. You do have one point about KAHN ISB AM STEREO .= You can tell your listeners to tune two AM mono radios on both sides of yo= ur signal for AM STEREO!!!! If you goverment will let you transmitt it. Oth= er than that you can tell them about finding AM STEREO radios on the intern= et. Some thing we did not have back in the 80's and early 90's.Jim Smth > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > To: am stereo forum=20 > Cc: jim smith=20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:43 PM > Subject: {AMSF} BE site >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Hi Juan and gang. I had found the BE site. Its www.bdcast.com . Thay ha= ve a contact button on there site. I hope this helps you. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Nov 30 06:42:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10863 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2011 14:42:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2011 14:42:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f51.google.com) (209.85.213.51) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2011 14:42:18 -0000 X-Received: by yws1 with SMTP id 1so757912yws.38 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 06:42:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.197.9 with SMTP id s9mr4060496yhn.71.1322664138325; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 06:42:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n64sm3807706yhk.4.2011.11.30.06.42.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 06:42:17 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:42:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <1E4AB2F6-03CB-4FA1-BB35-9BC046319E27@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Armstrong TXs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=aI1xbevS2380Z4qYgEogl6r0mq9PKm-k3WHbH424NDU8FxPrd2kPCSiN1_Dwxw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 30, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Jota wrote: > I didn't know that issue about PDM AM TXs. I'm accustomed with the basic AM theory and I don't see any reason to distort the audio if we change the final RF power (increase or decrease the rated level). Yea, I like my Audio to be as clean as possible. > But... I'm not an expert so I'll trust in you and I'll try to get the BE AM-1A. You will be glad you did. > Just some doubts... > > 1) Do you know the today total final price of the AM-1A? With and without the C-Quam card? ??? That depends greatly on how hungry your Salesman is. International Dealers tend to be about 10% Higher in Price then US Dealers. > 2) Does it need an external "rough" power line controller? I don't have one on the AM1A at WLTQ, but I would get one of your power at the Transmitter Site is "dirty" from the Power Company. > 3) Are you sure it doesn't have problems to give the rated 1000 Wts final power, 100% average audio modulation, 24 hrs a day, 365 days per year, at least the next 25 years? ??? My doubt is because I've seen devices with the final transistor section full burnt (I'm talking about local chilean makers TXs). That's the main reason I'm afraid to get a just 1000 Wts device. The BE is very well built, and that will not be an issue. My BE AM1A has been more reliable on the air then my new Nautel XR-6. Most of my Local 1 KW Stations are using BE AM1As Both the Mono, and the Stereo Models and they are 100% Trouble Free. Mine ran for Years at 1100 Watts with 100% Negative, 125% Positive Modulation with Heavy Processing from an Optimod 9200. The only reason the AM1A was put into Standby Use was we got a 5KW Power Increase from the FCC. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:29 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE site =20=20=20=20 Hi Jim!!! I'd love to broadcast with ISB AM Stereo system!!! But I know that the to= day reality is just C-QUAM. And I know that if we could get a brand new AM = Stereo tuner in the market, it would be C-QUAM. So... I have to use C-QUAM.= It is what it is. Whatever, thanks a lot for your data!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wro= te: > > Hi Juan again and gang. You do have one point about KAHN ISB AM STEREO = . You can tell your listeners to tune two AM mono radios on both sides of y= our signal for AM STEREO!!!! If you goverment will let you transmitt it. Ot= her than that you can tell them about finding AM STEREO radios on the inter= net. Some thing we did not have back in the 80's and early 90's.Jim Smth > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > To: am stereo forum=20 > Cc: jim smith=20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:43 PM > Subject: {AMSF} BE site >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Juan and gang. I had found the BE site. Its www.bdcast.com . Thay ha= ve a contact button on there site. I hope this helps you. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Nov 30 07:08:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35904 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2011 15:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2011 15:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f170.google.com) (209.85.160.170) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2011 15:08:08 -0000 X-Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so825018ghb.29 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:08:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.185.68 with SMTP id t44mr4307646yhm.41.1322665687868; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:08:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm6264245anu.10.2011.11.30.07.08.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:08:07 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:08:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=8s7fTEkf8KCbHF6jCOdYrkqYcxZuo4pWK-sQfcGrN4bmbntugHk4JAuNwJ84aQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 30, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Jota wrote: > I'd love to broadcast with ISB AM Stereo system!!! You do know that if you buy a Kahn PowerSide, they still have the AM Stereo Position and WILL still broadcast in Kahn ISB Stereo. The Problem is there are NO commercially made ISB Tuners made anymore. While you CAN get some stereo Separation by Tuning one Mono Radio to the Lower Sidemand, and another to the Upper Sideband, this does give more distortion then listening to a properly decoded ISB Signal. > But I know that the today reality is just C-QUAM. And I know that if we could get a brand new AM Stereo tuner in the market, it would be C-QUAM. So... I have to use C-QUAM. It is what it is. Most Radios that have HD-Radio for AM in them, also decode C-QUAM. Sangean makes a Home Tuner that is actually HiFi in the Analog C-QUAM Mode. It is the Model HDT-1X. I have one and it actually sounds better when listening in C-QUAM than it does when listening in HD-Radio. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 30 07:20:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51975 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2011 15:20:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2011 15:20:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.236.255) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2011 15:20:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 15:20:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.107] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 15:20:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 15:20:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 804535.76680.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 16439 invoked from network); 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30 Nov 2011 07:20:48 -0800 PST Message-ID: <2C1FC539C6674C5DBDF6072783075C50@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:20:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.236.255 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=0JXyuGnct8_Et4VOYj_cQVNagG-QdkNwTNsKZwmjVboj4xdy-hIHgpdUBReLNqZX5UX-awkG X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan You can tell your listener to find AM STEREOS on the web. jim Smit= h ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:29 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE site =20=20=20=20 Hi Jim!!! I'd love to broadcast with ISB AM Stereo system!!! But I know that the to= day reality is just C-QUAM. And I know that if we could get a brand new AM = Stereo tuner in the market, it would be C-QUAM. So... I have to use C-QUAM.= It is what it is. Whatever, thanks a lot for your data!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wro= te: > > Hi Juan again and gang. You do have one point about KAHN ISB AM STEREO = . You can tell your listeners to tune two AM mono radios on both sides of y= our signal for AM STEREO!!!! If you goverment will let you transmitt it. Ot= her than that you can tell them about finding AM STEREO radios on the inter= net. Some thing we did not have back in the 80's and early 90's.Jim Smth > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > To: am stereo forum=20 > Cc: jim smith=20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:43 PM > Subject: {AMSF} BE site >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Juan and gang. I had found the BE site. Its www.bdcast.com . Thay ha= ve a contact button on there site. I hope this helps you. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 02 10:12:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38066 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2011 18:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2011 18:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.147) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2011 18:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP25 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:12:04 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP25.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:12:03 -0800 To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:12:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2011 18:12:03.0629 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4B755D0:01CCB11D] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: some equipment im selling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=DO04NL2IuDq4SR15HNPqkWg-E9af1g7qlYzfNkC5fzMr X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd nothing is for sale any longer and i'm not buying used from anyone online anymore either. sorry just been jerked off just one too many times by potential buyers and sellers online!!!! if you can't pick it up from me and hand me cash or hand item to me and accept cash i just don't need it then. i'm not dishonest enough to buy and sell online. sad that things have gotten that way. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Dec 02 19:33:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37086 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2011 03:33:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2011 03:33:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f177.google.com) (209.85.160.177) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2011 03:33:56 -0000 X-Received: by ghrr19 with SMTP id r19so4075648ghr.36 for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:33:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.154.166 with SMTP id h26mr950168yhk.88.1322883232116; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:33:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f14sm30558665ani.8.2011.12.02.19.33.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:33:50 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 22:33:47 -0500 Message-Id: <92563622-8CCD-4F91-80B0-B8B455B5FC21@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: some equipment im selling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=zerWmUROV-uk0_D_JZk2UiU0jSsG_9J1-g4lUwCH6JFfUc2Usha10m5UTPGdTg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > if you can't pick it up from me and hand me cash or hand item to me and > accept cash i just don't need it then. Then you can't get much, Radio Wise then. You just can't go down to your Local Radio Shack and get Ham Radio Stuff anymore, And their regular radio stuff is GARBAGE, what little is left of it, > i'm not dishonest enough to buy and sell online. sad that things have gotten > that way. Now I might get screwed on my next transaction, but I have NEVER been burned on Radio Stuff I have bought online. Now I am careful to ONLY Buy from and Sell to Active Hams, and not Somebody "Selling this for a Silent Key's Wife" or some other BS Story. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 02 23:21:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85726 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2011 07:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2011 07:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s18.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.221) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2011 07:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from SNT121-W13 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s18.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 2 Dec 2011 23:20:15 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: am stereo forum Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:20:15 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <92563622-8CCD-4F91-80B0-B8B455B5FC21@gmail.com> References: ,<92563622-8CCD-4F91-80B0-B8B455B5FC21@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2011 07:20:15.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[00F648A0:01CCB18C] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: some equipment im selling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=YX4Vuo3g8d2chhTah22pLQQxwNCwKCHC_KjctU5vcvPx X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'm increasingly running into potential buyers and sellers who jerk me off and can't seem to make a decision and stick with it. i'm too old and have little patience for that shit these days. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: kj4hyd@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 22:33:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: some equipment im selling > > > On Dec 2, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > > > if you can't pick it up from me and hand me cash or hand item to me and > > accept cash i just don't need it then. > > Then you can't get much, Radio Wise then. You just can't go down to your Local Radio Shack and get Ham Radio Stuff anymore, And their regular radio stuff is GARBAGE, what little is left of it, > > > i'm not dishonest enough to buy and sell online. sad that things have gotten > > that way. > > Now I might get screwed on my next transaction, but I have NEVER been burned on Radio Stuff I have bought online. Now I am careful to ONLY Buy from and Sell to Active Hams, and not Somebody "Selling this for a Silent Key's Wife" or some other BS Story. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Dec 03 05:41:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69488 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2011 13:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2011 13:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f180.google.com) (209.85.216.180) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2011 13:41:24 -0000 X-Received: by qcse1 with SMTP id e1so1034166qcs.39 for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 05:41:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.229.2.209 with SMTP id 17mr530177qck.29.1322919683590; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 05:41:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ed2sm12234190qab.15.2011.12.03.05.41.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 03 Dec 2011 05:41:22 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:41:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: ,<92563622-8CCD-4F91-80B0-B8B455B5FC21@gmail.com> Message-Id: <73A4323B-19C0-4AAB-B2C8-B1BA8A0EBBB1@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.180 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: some equipment im selling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=rcl9mnI6X67liTW4kNaCgNrXEcqYfNWBvqrllqcgpS4T8rbw4oHXKDVAs7Jt2w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Dec 3, 2011, at 2:20 AM, Robert Chrysafis wrote: > i'm increasingly running into potential buyers and sellers who jerk me of= f and can't seem to make a decision and stick with it. I have a couple of LOCAL Radio Engineers that are that way. At the Radio St= ation I work for, we have a few 360 Systems Digicart IIs for sale and one g= uy agreed to a price to buy some of them=85and ain't got em in 3 Months. It= is a STEAL too, Bay Country Broadcast sells the exact same Digicart USED f= or $1,998.00 Bucks and I am selling 'em for $500 With the RemoteHead & Keyb= oard and 400 without the Remote Head. Grrr Now I am the kind of guy that MUST make an informed decision about what I b= uy because Due to the Economy I have little "Mad Money" anymore. Now like m= any Ham Radio Operators that are also Home-Brewers and Kit Builders, I woul= d LOVE to have a ton of Part 15 and Ham Projects to play with at night, but= I just can't right now, but when I do agree to a price and decide to buy, = I want a swift, Smooth transaction with no BS from either Party. When I sel= l, I ship that day, and I expect the same in return. > i'm too old and have little patience for that shit these days. What can you do? I am getting to be an Old Buzzard myself... 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Dec 03 15:20:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 673 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2011 23:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2011 23:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.88) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2011 23:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 23:20:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 23:20:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2011 23:20:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:20:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <73A4323B-19C0-4AAB-B2C8-B1BA8A0EBBB1@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.161.186 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: some equipment im selling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=6hUsT9_RKC1jYkwF_lGAIycEtk1M2nIufx8iuN-RdnWl7bwAy2qcF8E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio speaking of online sales, there's a busted CQUAM Mod Monitor for sale. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Dec 05 22:56:38 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79240 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2011 06:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2011 06:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2011 06:56:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1323154595; bh=8rf84j63cse4+yRnrbzc4ZJxTPfZn9Ou7UgqVPvSUrg=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=gAfDy1h+XJw1m1x8YUEod/moJG26wIHxKkuYLJ2d97+Y8ophLwdOR0EDtlT45NUVfNCQnlwlKK9RFj/5h4LWKBdj97eGqPoT6T3hvvAFGcumNiFaHDMYv4TH7PAYx3hd Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2011 06:56:35 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2011 06:56:35 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18611 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2011 23:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2011 23:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.147) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2011 23:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP12 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:24:08 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP12.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:24:07 -0800 To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:24:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2011 23:24:07.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[A75C6EF0:01CCB212] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: some equipment im selling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Yx2J1843n6IJ5qxsLnQIpR8Zuu0RimHKvV0jeMPhGUdz X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Dec 2011 06:56:34 -0000 unfortunately because no one is buying from me i can't afford to buy from anyone else. this is part of the reason the economy is not recovering. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "toledohamradio" To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: some equipment im selling > speaking of online sales, there's a busted CQUAM Mod Monitor for sale. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Dec 05 22:56:52 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98325 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2011 06:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2011 06:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2011 06:56:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1323154601; bh=R2rT/vuPLTYbnoK03YuBTPk68sbLZ2obYAZh6sBRNVs=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=jni0u44BNE3NAeHTocQgQEUWck+IHoI79+IWMLXabGcohKH1kuUgDwJT0Sf8kg2hcoBlY73spGy+vQTUgyN8PH1CBz2yvUWC2w84cxn4udkzDDNe9Z4ZAGJXYgakNEvp Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2011 06:56:41 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2011 06:56:41 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57355 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2011 20:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2011 20:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.153) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2011 20:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP98 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:11:55 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP98.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:11:54 -0800 To: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:12:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2011 20:11:54.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7B1C770:01CCB2C0] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Some vintage commercial broadcast stuff - trade only X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=goz2bkFtj_uAW7Cj9XyI4icXqJnW4fs8J0xd3xfub5ZK X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Dec 2011 06:56:41 -0000 I'm only interested in trades at this time. trying to sell this stuff only seemed to attract tire kickers and wafflers and flip floppers which is why the trades only. I'm looking for an inovonics 235 and a david II or III or similar processor and a Gentner Prism Pair have a cunningham 36 watt rms cathode modulated part 73 transmitter and manual in like new condition but not operational. probably needs new caps and a tip100 cheap fix. working CRL processing SEP400 and SPF300 panasonic VP8252P quad format am stereo signal generator pair of marantz CDR620U rack mount CD Burner/players with lots of wired remotes. has digital and analog profressional I/O right now this is for starters. immediate need is the 235 to use with my hamilton part 15. want to use the David II/III and prisms for my lpb cable fm modulator with a 20" wire for monitoring in house. thanks to a forum member i will have an old EAS911 to interrupt program and pass emergency messages over my part 15. i'm setting asside the carrier current idea for now and just playing with a hamilton and sstran. if i need carrier current i'll just make a 5 watt linear stage to use with my BE AX10 (this is not for sale/never will be/ will be buried with me when i die lol) sample output ot make a 5 watt transmitter to inject the ttl into. this big tube setup is ideal for Pre/post sunset it's overkill for carrier current. as i have time i'm going to inventory and trade off most of my stock and trim down everything. i'm sick and tired of needing a 16ft truck everytime i need to move and then have to pay for storage. i also have lots of computer parts and parts laptops. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Dec 05 22:56:59 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99425 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2011 06:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2011 06:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.234) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2011 06:56:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1323154605; bh=jOj5WYzKrdANeUiXZfhbAg2gOU3dNkA8E/s0reHIqGY=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=XJZ6gwMmwEa4o7jmJOD0vKCvDaFFoGjTa08TaOcP7IIQxcSt4GD46rsh0zN6gUvRRopQHxIEsqsjx0v5eRQMTGvyNeQyZe82n53Mzj6cwHVNVlx5fl41NJyEmbYj3Lt7 Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2011 06:56:45 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2011 06:56:45 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2011 06:56:45 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7714 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2011 20:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2011 20:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s9.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.148) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2011 20:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP70 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:23:48 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP70.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:23:47 -0800 To: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:24:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2011 20:23:47.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB0573E0:01CCB38B] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: cunningham part 73 accepted LPAM Tx X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Kh-gw-emIa5R17e1XIk2fTM9w_eU0uBHbXa8gt6HHpo6 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Dec 2011 06:56:45 -0000 Has to go overspent on christmas. $200.00 + Shipping spare tube, manual, and transmitter in excellent shape. just needs a recapping. perfect for cquam carrier current or pre post sunset transmitter need it gone asap and funds into my account. paypal, check (must clear) or money order Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Dec 07 11:33:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80351 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2011 19:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2011 19:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.148) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2011 19:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2011 19:33:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2011 19:33:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2011 19:33:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:33:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.229.186.25 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=U-sIfISQ6PJnhSpUBLHySH3Wi0oobcc9zbijbsrXoJUb X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd it seems quite impossible (and very frustrating) to sell used electronics a= nd radio stuff these days. even at hamfests and flea markets anymore it is = becoming impossible. From keith1226@yahoo.com Wed Dec 07 21:32:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26867 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2011 05:32:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2011 05:32:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2011 05:32:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2011 05:32:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2011 05:32:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 05:32:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.183.112.24 From: "KeithB" Subject: Re: ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=Lj1du9owiqtEZTKTzZOR3XAD2cqwkQl_tmBAnw0P-V8SRwhc X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 I have seen the same complaint in other groups. I'm not sure if it's due to= the general poor state of the economy, or the fact that there's new stuff = coming out all the time, e.g. Iphones, tablets, 3-D TV, and maybe people ar= e more interested in owning the "latest and greatest" than vintage gear.=20 Keith B. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > it seems quite impossible (and very frustrating) to sell used electronics= and radio stuff these days. even at hamfests and flea markets anymore it i= s becoming impossible. > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Dec 08 04:02:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93412 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2011 12:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2011 12:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f176.google.com) (209.85.213.176) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2011 12:02:14 -0000 X-Received: by yenm10 with SMTP id m10so1700840yen.21 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 04:02:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.129.202 with SMTP id h50mr3981413yhi.1.1323345733454; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 04:02:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a11sm14008824anc.11.2011.12.08.04.02.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Dec 2011 04:02:11 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:02:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <02EB0FED-0765-46F6-B902-BE69CEC36AD1@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=x7FV7QFtn4nxP43sLWNSqZsHSJOaCWIIbV8lRg-ziBLtxKqKnnKXQbpC7U-lvw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 7, 2011, at 2:33 PM, kc8gpd wrote: > it seems quite impossible (and very frustrating) to sell used electronics and radio stuff these days. even at hamfests and flea markets anymore it is becoming impossible. Well, on the front end of all of that, Radio Advertising Dollars are down a lot compared to the "Good Old Days". That along with Consolidation, De regulation, and Technology has greatly reduced the income of the Radio Engineers to pathetic levels. I am making LESS 2011 Dollars than I was making 1984 Dollars when I first got into this business as an Engineer! That, along with the crazy prices some clubs want to get into a Hamfest and the crazy prices many vendors want for old worn-out equipment when you get in there makes me just stay home from most of them anymore. There is ONE good hamfest coming up, and that is the Greenwood Hamfest in Greenwood, SC that I will be at. It is normally a Home Brewer's Paradise with lots of old parts. It will be Jan 14. http://www.w4gwd.org/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Dec 08 05:59:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79891 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2011 13:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2011 13:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21-vm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.79) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2011 13:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.209] by nm21.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2011 13:59:09 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.176] by tm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2011 13:59:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2011 13:59:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 800655.20427.bm@omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73018 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2011 13:59:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YpOV4HwVM1mfhIB4kubsOeWChMA558EUF7vKyxee3C1X14d 1mFe4L_qVXoRDAqJO.va0Vq0izlHXwrOyInZDRks2idv81_vBi4ARhFwaKWJ iGQsxQWtKhjY2lJDH73VSybIadtarXZnSFpGRArn04QvauLt.S0x9wgBLjqE eRKb5S9Bgf3XlQPkyaLrOLsu8KTyxHznpSKYCr8C_Dg5rHacKJAY2J8sJiA9 MD_.SRf5iTtHCkHsVm_L7VTWFnkxJAS6_NbgHVWlNI8jZbn7mkmeijW7unE2 p.XEoFT1e12K.lww5QCEVZ1kd5rFPLPCx6..xh8OCg.ED6N9HWV.jm0v7Y8b 2cCj75wyeQJyN4qc06jjuJaDxzXj7KUPs7x4UEiXJlVzS6Yumhck7e9G5kPB WoP_JNr1ONiSwEZ7oRYNNgwOHtA5afHzRa4rDntum2D4t0SVcoeSLYXwgVID 0MWHGVSXwg12mRAs96vsZwNmKLhBs7roijAX.cvN6ma_B1RzVI7wpbghFKpV VMSiCJ0w3Iwl9XihH_d_R..cRTTLBI97U57wyViz8Pabdix87D.o3DotrX7u LReuhooFemeNjujX9gPlb2XaW07svv6LE324g_AFmIfMnFlg2.nTt6RFbx48 eI8hXYvMayHonlCJlmaF8iSths6e3YLWM34yjv3fo85JXp4QiGyoGOv9gX1Z zwSCwsRcFTE_3zIkZDNfUhswrGCV6u2IOKkhlNdFeaLGeQEOndGWlt1ln_86 .EgNLevDyA4ksOuxnd7wV4x3Z8_jSw.cXleXIhxLF8oMft37LWBxTPHdjvFY exdpaovySL0kuPcLbSo7abaPBmGnoAMi8qKdNGnEo4nMo5f5PI.v_J78t7AE IuA5Ll9xRAlBjL28Xd0zHPAzTZXu_jAWVgXoYk0CtRbrkgmNUA33xiREmRHq uR8yTYgBfbZLJFlKHcN2qTbmmXqHQnH9Zqei784mr2j3kwICJtyGOnBY47ij YFTi2Wq9wplI0.KhjfrLS1FZh.0grP15FBW17zsISbdx7NMZhvE79VuDKQBe 09Ie3QoPCYvJDqnRpbHVwRyKcpbAz93qInYGbVK2uNmKnqjT4hJDY.cdIGDw m.._ju35YA7AxGAQ6sIxNkQUAI02UBQ3XxBsSrQi7ulnTuPJRm9qAG8eM_Os e4ilADzNscja1qdChNinAjqZUnXoVguRz3yMJZA0CM7W.R2fkWF1HeSWAt_B IUss3TozgczmwXyImonPWSbAcXekenpjdRqTJ10RCVLipZcVciES.5MVPNrv P1bGdQvz6JUlb55sMufMF5_RQF6uPS705gbg7ZTuv0Kce7jlkCMnz16g9F1m YV7hlwUTUtErZYTYCAC834UedYpmcywqAB21OldR6uzUrHmHGANt2v6ueyWb BtlnNpjRsgo6HuD0S441rFifqrDPign4q2ggOMXZQPzkIUJ_eW8AC0UXIcC3 w.RZZEiOdfByfSVOTyTi7v7vZ8BvB4x5YOK6HXU0.Pyq8fDU_v88wwYjBxGA 442j1PDbp.2M5qUUBK29AKBW9GZCBsa5LJFqjuW7WSlJALElaOhqJKnGQfTL 3.b9wAo97AqqvhpPArQppKg5OqOGODgDneXT9J171Blx4G4Yf7ja.FntnWIM Fh0MdR8q2DfNFUldd6vpYi1TiMHlnAEOAdCkIxTB8PdD8Lm.Q5q2bUa8KWEZ du65Jh396gDSqOckX8YLi6qONaCb0ve0BW1_o7CyKgfyZhlT7aV9ejYxB2UL EOTuLVakZEr94ohtIUl8bFeVCcMABl4qDgDKwgeHmPndon5qhScdbSPOpAgj maUIbteUnqU_MUy3Is11Q._ic.fS0eu51Vcgn2RZtaiN5DPMMStkzO8fOl5W lwznDus8vOewM4yVNfoyT.BN41Rj4sj3DngwjCwGckNMo8soMRZfAiXlxfqS ojgEU5c4RJAMVMCcdqMlVEnuRnymebZYwq.c77P3.Ye_mcbwSzMLojUOTc1T IAxtPTamDgL2X0bJY7gZ3DED8eD_jh.FQPzt3JSPcAmB69bNQIl84O5FwbjK v6CaQ3xJDb5NxEuNNvjEYnZ9f8uj.Wa_TmV3amxgCL3nBH.xUcj..GSJDLNj d7eyC3isyCeC14YDryNJvM6_NeZAC73S6f6xBhBT3ZRIvScIkFjeeo46UCCZ sszsch8Vx1kwg_Wht0sdX.QiHJQHCJcx0hre4JLbzWqzgN08rGx5gLh0YEug r1DSqkqpCkf7OaXopaXO60wUPPWVeT9UyX1sv3nOfjchfcs0x78etf7dQZG_ NEmoF5kaJGRzy1Z5ssXCYhPDsFNJ5pMGSyvOuFXPUzfRTB3WZSL53t7xE.wv lbE9lekXJoz.fbZT36lW79twT7L2G1Qb4iNhEFGBm6MoloKJy8MQskM6AiE_ ETb_WG1z0PFguuAoC2Xt5DDZrZMA5rOqyZf.gy5t.UauK6B3QonMIyCYJtQV kA8aig1e4chncDTiBcHXZlr_ukqVfYfDUQ5dDw1H2.F8w3f0P1sY44f2bPIr bLv0LF21XPZVGTXOs3Q23W7IkqEfxp8zK3wBpXz2ZPPIdABBdzp5qWlhxjoE db3hoFijxBC6wvkEu63nOc8LSDkF1_acN24ZPxOHpLPntKHM3pFVm4EXKTre Czqkv6b9fU0YTMeCiAmMEqmuAG0cGp2u8SimlywMrAlagt8DCn6xa.FyQkSQ _tDaAf8FEohqmpSMKD0AVBoCuoqqyCBnc47vnkAB824vTT_uAUVs4F2Dec6J sRAzsHYltkIWFJORf41gv2UTU7zZNuoQOIvbQNE5ihRTqxzETYclecjpHb5v C67xUYOq0F75Ej.TnsI1J9bfokF.tGBbL2Cs1FQeTr3DmAJyVVXw_QiecJEL UyllyAxnmCVBLUToFFAqDK4v_mhjguHg6_TtT.Myt7hcWLwlx.kivNv9M5Xq R1FyC1lIpRceeGZoWxdAT0WmpcljIrePqVuJpFbPC8nGB29SPr8MWLOUMNIe e8b5Xo7DvWZ.Sg4qd X-Received: from [79.102.178.84] by web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 13:59:08 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <02EB0FED-0765-46F6-B902-BE69CEC36AD1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1323352748.72955.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:59:08 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <02EB0FED-0765-46F6-B902-BE69CEC36AD1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=6pm6N5GPzRNTL-zXCPg4xXm0QQYA1xGNv4l0H0JSLhm-xgA X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi kevin, =C2=A0 all money is in the hands of the maffia all over the world. They are still = investing in all markets to get controll of the market, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: torsdag, 8 december 2011 13:02 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? =20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Dec 7, 2011, at 2:33 PM, kc8gpd wrote: > it seems quite impossible (and very frustrating) to sell used electronics= and radio stuff these days. even at hamfests and flea markets anymore it i= s becoming impossible. Well, on the front end of all of that, Radio Advertising Dollars are down a= lot compared to the "Good Old Days". That along with Consolidation, De reg= ulation, and Technology has greatly reduced the income of the Radio Enginee= rs to pathetic levels. I am making LESS 2011 Dollars than I was making 1984= Dollars when I first got into this business as an Engineer! That, along with the crazy prices some clubs want to get into a Hamfest and= the crazy prices many vendors want for old worn-out equipment when you get= in there makes me just stay home from most of them anymore. There is ONE good hamfest coming up, and that is the Greenwood Hamfest in G= reenwood, SC that I will be at. It is normally a Home Brewer's Paradise wit= h lots of old parts. It will be Jan 14. http://www.w4gwd.org/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Dec 08 06:43:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93879 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2011 14:43:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2011 14:43:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.225) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2011 14:43:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2011 14:43:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2011 14:43:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2011 14:43:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 14:43:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1323352748.72955.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.229.186.25 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=SJKNlNtt9u-fd8BWMaXU4ZY7V1mi16B3Q0HgGx7PDecP X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i still think there is a general dumbing down of america going on. like i s= aid your hard pressed to get on ham repeaters and find anyone willling to t= alk real deep tech anymore. most want to talk about the latest 10k+ radio t= hey just bought and figureing out how to use it. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi kevin, > =C2=A0 > all money is in the hands of the maffia all over the world. They are stil= l investing in all markets to get controll of the market, >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: torsdag, 8 december 2011 13:02 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > On Dec 7, 2011, at 2:33 PM, kc8gpd wrote: >=20 > > it seems quite impossible (and very frustrating) to sell used electroni= cs and radio stuff these days. even at hamfests and flea markets anymore it= is becoming impossible. >=20 > Well, on the front end of all of that, Radio Advertising Dollars are down= a lot compared to the "Good Old Days". That along with Consolidation, De r= egulation, and Technology has greatly reduced the income of the Radio Engin= eers to pathetic levels. I am making LESS 2011 Dollars than I was making 19= 84 Dollars when I first got into this business as an Engineer! >=20 > That, along with the crazy prices some clubs want to get into a Hamfest a= nd the crazy prices many vendors want for old worn-out equipment when you g= et in there makes me just stay home from most of them anymore. >=20 > There is ONE good hamfest coming up, and that is the Greenwood Hamfest in= Greenwood, SC that I will be at. It is normally a Home Brewer's Paradise w= ith lots of old parts. It will be Jan 14. >=20 > http://www.w4gwd.org/ >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Dec 08 10:30:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35255 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2011 18:30:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2011 18:30:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f181.google.com) (209.85.160.181) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2011 18:30:26 -0000 X-Received: by ghbg18 with SMTP id g18so2068424ghb.40 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:30:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.131.103 with SMTP id l67mr6981182yhi.18.1323369026065; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:30:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i67sm10320435yhm.16.2011.12.08.10.30.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:30:24 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:30:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <50F7066E-B561-4E69-81D9-5E2E0F606C8D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=E9eKpwFExmsVpOlNERLBYWttZGgNR27NM2Z8ae86FCj8FmNHnHqTwrOkuKp-LA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 8, 2011, at 9:43 AM, kc8gpd wrote: > i still think there is a general dumbing down of america going on. like i said your hard pressed to get on ham repeaters and find anyone willling to talk real deep tech anymore. most want to talk about the latest 10k+ radio they just bought and figureing out how to use it. Most are just Appliance Operators that have NO idea how to do anything technical. I have had to do the simplest opt repairs for so many Extras it is not funny, it is downright Shameful. I hear so much CB talk BS on 2 Meters, I try to stick with 160 Meters and the 75 Meter AM Spots in the Extra portion of the Band. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Dec 09 09:52:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62523 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2011 17:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2011 17:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.88) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2011 17:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2011 17:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2011 17:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2011 17:52:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:52:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50F7066E-B561-4E69-81D9-5E2E0F606C8D@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=_jYfisR_vVHZgAzkN8yKKqHVC5L7ZbCJ_RTm7n1BmoJi X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Right on Kevin. And the few who think they know what they're talking about = really don't. I got in to an argument with a guy on a local repeater one ni= ght who thought he knew eveything about digital and didn't know squat. Come= join the AMer's on 75 and 160. Some of the last people who design and buil= d their own stuff. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > Most are just Appliance Operators that have NO idea how to do anything te= chnical. I have had to do the simplest opt repairs for so many Extras it is= not funny, it is downright Shameful. I hear so much CB talk BS on 2 Meters= , I try to stick with 160 Meters and the 75 Meter AM Spots in the Extra por= tion of the Band. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Dec 09 10:06:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25650 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2011 18:06:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2011 18:06:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f174.google.com) (209.85.213.174) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2011 18:06:06 -0000 X-Received: by yenm11 with SMTP id m11so2569114yen.5 for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:06:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.124.39 with SMTP id w27mr13587203yhh.125.1323453966391; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:06:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm25920925any.3.2011.12.09.10.06.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:06:04 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:05:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=XEsueSva_-NfehuvdFs0tRwsnFLJdpPk-cCrB7WgJSAWPzSEYx9Fk4-vwg8MIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 9, 2011, at 12:52 PM, wa2fnq wrote: > Come join the AMer's on 75 and 160. Some of the last people who design and build their own stuff. Yup, I am having a technical problem at the moment, but Normally, I am on 160 Meters with a Converted Gates BC-500H that I got going after picking the brain of the legendary WA1HLR On 75 meters, I have a Heathkit DX-60 and a couple of Home Brew rigs. I do love AM, the other day I was in a 2-Meter AM Round table. We were driving the FM Only crowd NUTS with our AM Signals. I fixed up an old Heathkit 2er just for the purpose. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 09 11:11:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57636 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2011 19:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2011 19:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.234) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2011 19:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2011 19:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2011 19:11:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2011 19:11:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:11:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50F7066E-B561-4E69-81D9-5E2E0F606C8D@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=y30SLWuYH0Ph9unt9Twz-xGNXVtqxIAirvmIIHnW3p1b-0qtqX5d5Q0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin, If I can ever get a long enough antenna, I want to operate QRP CQUAM= in the Extra section on 160m. I have one of the (Apisis) AM Stereo transm= itters from Greece, and some year, I'm going to give it a go on 160m in AMS= . John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > .. I try to stick with 160 Meters and the 75 Meter AM Spots in the Extra po= rtion of the Band. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 09 12:19:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68529 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2011 20:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2011 20:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s32.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.235) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2011 20:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from SNT121-W56 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s32.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:19:05 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: am stereo forum Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 15:19:04 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <50F7066E-B561-4E69-81D9-5E2E0F606C8D@gmail.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2011 20:19:05.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC6E3B50:01CCB6AF] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: RE: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=PkzzuyV2-uZAHvmaaS1UKzW_iz-wKE0wx3ownsStAZbF X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'm only a tech. i have long heard about 160 and 75 for good techie talk stuff. i tried for my general on a whim with no studying before hand and didn't pass it. the older i get the worse my memory and attention span is getting. i would like to get my extra but i suspect i will barely make it to general. maybe 10-15 years ago i could study and remember enough to get my extra but these days would be lucky to pass my general. i could not learn cw which is why i had to wait for it to be dropped before getting my tech. unfortunately i am on disability which means i'll always be a renter so no outdoor antenna's. i was trying to sell off all my stuff so i could upgrade some of my studio computer and ham stuff. one of the things which was going to be a remoterig setup so i could put the radio at moms, but as it goes when i can't sell i can't buy. so i'm stuck where i'm at for now till something comes through. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 19:11:47 +0000 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? > > Kevin, If I can ever get a long enough antenna, I want to operate QRP CQUAM in the Extra section on 160m. I have one of the (Apisis) AM Stereo transmitters from Greece, and some year, I'm going to give it a go on 160m in AMS. > John > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > > > .. I try to stick with 160 Meters and the 75 Meter AM Spots in the Extra portion of the Band. > > > > 73, > > Kevin Raper > > KJ4HYD > > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Dec 10 03:54:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10702 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2011 11:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2011 11:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f169.google.com) (209.85.161.169) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2011 11:54:47 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f169.google.com with SMTP id i2so4058679ggn.28 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 03:54:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.109.8 with SMTP id l8mr2695724anm.19.1323518086699; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 03:54:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm32502183anv.7.2011.12.10.03.54.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Dec 2011 03:54:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 06:54:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <1DC7236D-4E2F-46C6-B7E1-66FA948FAE9E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=dMBAUXxkxDF2yENPJxTmyXQIDKFaJUh4oSEoFArOhPjQQarJd8CYncmKmK9k4A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 9, 2011, at 2:11 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > Kevin, If I can ever get a long enough antenna, I want to operate QRP CQUAM in the Extra section on 160m ALL of 160 Meters is available to General and Above. It is the 75 / 80 meter band that has an Extra Only segment. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Dec 10 04:28:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10938 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2011 12:28:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2011 12:28:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.213.173) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2011 12:28:53 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f173.google.com with SMTP id m6so3460912yen.32 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 04:28:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.176.2 with SMTP id a2mr17564662yhm.12.1323520132924; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 04:28:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm32694634anu.6.2011.12.10.04.28.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Dec 2011 04:28:51 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 07:28:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <50F7066E-B561-4E69-81D9-5E2E0F606C8D@gmail.com>, Message-Id: <8091E2AF-E989-4374-B11F-F2DA600054A6@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=mlua-qh4jdcbkcG7KEzIoELDbFewOxK_mI7y10Gd7LizGl_zHRuqUbGVII-bTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 9, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Robert Chrysafis wrote: > i'm only a tech. General is easy enough, it is just like the Tech Test as far as the Questions are on about the same Level, but you do HAVE to study. In my Opinion, the ARRL License manual is best for General. Now you do need to know something about Radio to pass the Extra, but it is not impossible. This dumb ol' Hillbilly did it, after all. > i have long heard about 160 and 75 for good techie talk stuff. Yes, the AM Windows are good for that anyway. Now the SSB (Slop Bucket) crowd on 75 Meters can be real Pig Farmers. You know you don't need a license to listen in. Most any decent Short-Wave Radio will pick up 75 Meters and many will pick up 160 Meters and you can just listen in. In fact, the whole reason I am a Ham today is I would listen to the guys on 75 Meters AM and I wanted to join in on the fun. :-) > i tried for my general on a whim with no studying before hand and didn't pass it. Yea, you gotta study. Even though I had been a Broadcast Engineer since 1984. I still had to study in order to know the laws and practices of Amateur Radio. > the older i get the worse my memory and attention span is getting. I have also found that to be the case. It is called "Getting Old". > i would like to get my extra but i suspect i will barely make it to general. maybe 10-15 years ago i could study and remember enough to get my extra but these days would be lucky to pass my general. You can do it, IF you put your mind to it. In my case, I missed Extra by ONE stupid Question on my first Exam Session after I passed Tech and General on the same Session. The Satellite, Digital Mode and Moon bounce questions got me, as I had never messed with anything like that. I am an AM guy after all. Shortly after that, I went into the Hospital with Double Pneumonia and had a respiratory attack and nearly died. Since then, my Short Term and most of my Long Term Memory is GONE, and I have had a helluva time recovering from that one. Well last Halloween Weekend, I took one of those "Cram For the Exam" classes for Extra put on my SCHEARTS, and Nailed it. That is why I say if I can do it, anybody can. BTW, as an Excuse Remover, I sat next to a Blind Guy who also passed his Extra. Talk About Motivation! > i am on disability which means i'll always be a renter so no outdoor antenna's. I am also an Apartment Dweller, but I put up my Slinky at night and have my fun, then take it down before the B*tch Land Lady sees it in the Morning! LOL I also have some land about 30 Miles away I have a radio shack on, and hope to move a Trailer out there to live in this Summer. > i was trying to sell off all my stuff so i could upgrade some of my studio computer and ham stuff. one of the things which was going to be a remoterig setup so i could put the radio at moms, but as it goes when i can't sell i can't buy. so i'm stuck where i'm at for now till something comes through. The Economy is rough. The small group of Catholic Radio Stations I Engineer for can just barely pay me what they do, and they put up with me while I was recovering from my Bout with Double Pneumonia and my Respiratory Attack, so I am Loyal as a Dog to them. I have been offered MANY Engineering gigs that I have turned down because of that. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Dec 10 05:09:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16916 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2011 13:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2011 13:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s13.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.216) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2011 13:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from SNT121-W17 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s13.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:09:20 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: am stereo forum Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:09:20 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8091E2AF-E989-4374-B11F-F2DA600054A6@gmail.com> References: <50F7066E-B561-4E69-81D9-5E2E0F606C8D@gmail.com>, ,<8091E2AF-E989-4374-B11F-F2DA600054A6@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2011 13:09:20.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDABC5C0:01CCB73C] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: RE: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=-eaGat8AJN31ADRqeunu_272L9y0DNGpDrXd4pkfQV6q X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i woulds like to get hooked up with some denver area engineers. i'm on ssd and am stuck at home most of the time. i would probably feel much better if i could get hooked up with some engineers who would pick me up or i could meet and get to go to tx sites and studios and give them an extra pair of hands when theyre in need. i would be happy to do it for a free lunch, the occasional orphaned peice of equipment to tinker with that may be lying around the shop and of course to be able to pick their brain and learn more about radio. if anyone has any friends here feel free to pass my email and name on to them. i would probably feel much better about myself if i could start connecting with people here locally who share my love of radio. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: kj4hyd@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 07:28:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? > > > On Dec 9, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Robert Chrysafis wrote: > > > i'm only a tech. > > General is easy enough, it is just like the Tech Test as far as the Questions are on about the same Level, but you do HAVE to study. In my Opinion, the ARRL License manual is best for General. Now you do need to know something about Radio to pass the Extra, but it is not impossible. This dumb ol' Hillbilly did it, after all. > > > i have long heard about 160 and 75 for good techie talk stuff. > > Yes, the AM Windows are good for that anyway. Now the SSB (Slop Bucket) crowd on 75 Meters can be real Pig Farmers. You know you don't need a license to listen in. Most any decent Short-Wave Radio will pick up 75 Meters and many will pick up 160 Meters and you can just listen in. In fact, the whole reason I am a Ham today is I would listen to the guys on 75 Meters AM and I wanted to join in on the fun. :-) > > > i tried for my general on a whim with no studying before hand and didn't pass it. > > Yea, you gotta study. Even though I had been a Broadcast Engineer since 1984. I still had to study in order to know the laws and practices of Amateur Radio. > > > the older i get the worse my memory and attention span is getting. > > I have also found that to be the case. It is called "Getting Old". > > > i would like to get my extra but i suspect i will barely make it to general. maybe 10-15 years ago i could study and remember enough to get my extra but these days would be lucky to pass my general. > > You can do it, IF you put your mind to it. In my case, I missed Extra by ONE stupid Question on my first Exam Session after I passed Tech and General on the same Session. The Satellite, Digital Mode and Moon bounce questions got me, as I had never messed with anything like that. I am an AM guy after all. Shortly after that, I went into the Hospital with Double Pneumonia and had a respiratory attack and nearly died. Since then, my Short Term and most of my Long Term Memory is GONE, and I have had a helluva time recovering from that one. Well last Halloween Weekend, I took one of those "Cram For the Exam" classes for Extra put on my SCHEARTS, and Nailed it. That is why I say if I can do it, anybody can. BTW, as an Excuse Remover, I sat next to a Blind Guy who also passed his Extra. Talk About Motivation! > > > i am on disability which means i'll always be a renter so no outdoor antenna's. > > I am also an Apartment Dweller, but I put up my Slinky at night and have my fun, then take it down before the B*tch Land Lady sees it in the Morning! LOL > > I also have some land about 30 Miles away I have a radio shack on, and hope to move a Trailer out there to live in this Summer. > > > i was trying to sell off all my stuff so i could upgrade some of my studio computer and ham stuff. one of the things which was going to be a remoterig setup so i could put the radio at moms, but as it goes when i can't sell i can't buy. so i'm stuck where i'm at for now till something comes through. > > The Economy is rough. The small group of Catholic Radio Stations I Engineer for can just barely pay me what they do, and they put up with me while I was recovering from my Bout with Double Pneumonia and my Respiratory Attack, so I am Loyal as a Dog to them. I have been offered MANY Engineering gigs that I have turned down because of that. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Dec 10 05:16:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66912 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2011 13:16:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2011 13:16:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f178.google.com) (209.85.213.178) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2011 13:16:56 -0000 X-Received: by yenm5 with SMTP id m5so3570280yen.23 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:16:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.129.202 with SMTP id h50mr18174098yhi.1.1323523013705; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:16:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q52sm20428917yhh.3.2011.12.10.05.16.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:16:52 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:16:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <50F7066E-B561-4E69-81D9-5E2E0F606C8D@gmail.com>, ,<8091E2AF-E989-4374-B11F-F2DA600054A6@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=jj9uX4T-RzJUVDvQyP5tN2MDaSIM2qNLFOljMiabP0fr9Bn4oE5ytVe81SoV1A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 10, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Robert Chrysafis wrote: > i woulds like to get hooked up with some denver area engineers. i'm on ssd and am stuck at home most of the time. i would probably feel much better if i could get hooked up with some engineers who would pick me up or i could meet and get to go to tx sites and studios and give them an extra pair of hands when theyre in need. i would be happy to do it for a free lunch, the occasional orphaned peice of equipment to tinker with that may be lying around the shop and of course to be able to pick their brain and learn more about radio. > > if anyone has any friends here feel free to pass my email and name on to them. i would probably feel much better about myself if i could start connecting with people here locally who share my love of radio. My Wife is from Denver :-) You would get more hits to that post if you post it to the Broadcast (BC) List here: http://www.radiolists.net/ This where all of the Radio Engineers hang out. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 10 08:36:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87295 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2011 16:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2011 16:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2011 16:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111210103617002867100011> for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:36:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EE38A7E.801@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:36:14 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:36:17 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111210-0, 12/10/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some vintage commercial broadcast stuff - trade only X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bycjfV3ra4cFqUKtcl3qD83wJcZYfhw6khTBElAuJ1fEi5khvvyk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/6/2011 12:56 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > have a cunningham 36 watt rms cathode modulated part 73 transmitter and > manual in like new condition but not operational. probably needs new caps > and a tip100 cheap fix. > > > this big tube setup is ideal for Pre/post sunset it's overkill for carrier > current. > Actually it isn't. This Cunningham unit can be throttled back to 20W or so which is what the LPB carrier current units put out. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 10 17:18:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46799 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2011 01:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2011 01:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-04.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.154) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2011 01:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111210191814000466300011> for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:18:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EE404D0.9000101@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:18:08 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:18:14 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <02EB0FED-0765-46F6-B902-BE69CEC36AD1@gmail.com> <1323352748.72955.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1323352748.72955.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111210-1, 12/10/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xs7BqZCj-qRZfPDaJ7Od1jCRMq6JplLBIaGtwG7-6ZRgL4uSZAtE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/8/2011 7:59 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi kevin, > > all money is in the hands of the maffia all over the world. They are > still investing in all markets to get controll of the market, > Where did you get that idea? Not trying to start a political flame war here, but it's actually government taxing and spending, then borrowing and taxing some more, all the while pretending to be so compassionate when all it is is buying votes with the voters' money. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 10 17:22:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64227 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2011 01:22:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2011 01:22:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2011 01:22:57 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111210192231000811000011> for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:22:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EE405D2.3040007@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:22:26 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:22:31 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <50F7066E-B561-4E69-81D9-5E2E0F606C8D@gmail.com>, ,<8091E2AF-E989-4374-B11F-F2DA600054A6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111210-1, 12/10/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lqJ2hR1LZF6924-gG8OasStashHImESTzEGhTHhokHzHuGfc7snp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/10/2011 7:09 AM, Robert Chrysafis wrote: > > i woulds like to get hooked up with some denver area engineers. i'm on > ssd and am stuck at home most of the time. i would probably feel much > better if i could get hooked up with some engineers who would pick me up > or i could meet and get to go to tx sites and studios and give them an > extra pair of hands when theyre in need. i would be happy to do it for a > free lunch, the occasional orphaned peice of equipment to tinker with > that may be lying around the shop and of course to be able to pick their > brain and learn more about radio. > > if anyone has any friends here feel free to pass my email and name on to > them. i would probably feel much better about myself if i could start > connecting with people here locally who share my love of radio. Your choice in the Denver area is pretty much Clear Channel and Crawford. Scott Todd From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Dec 12 10:26:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11791 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2011 18:26:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2011 18:26:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2011 18:26:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2011 18:26:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2011 18:26:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:26:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8091E2AF-E989-4374-B11F-F2DA600054A6@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=qp9YEPYY9S6SUDFKaWLspUdGlXEebH81D2w1Dt8vKOfi X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I'm usally on 3.710 with Pete, WA1SOV Saturdays at 5 pm. Sometimes we get s= crewed up with family things and we move to Sunday at the same time. For th= ose who can join us. I need to get a better 160 setup. Kevin, when you talk to Timtron tell him I said YEEAAHHLLOO. I haven't spok= en with him in a while. 73 Jerry --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Dec 9, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Robert Chrysafis wrote: >=20 > > i'm only a tech. >=20 > General is easy enough, it is just like the Tech Test as far as the Quest= ions are on about the same Level, but you do HAVE to study. In my Opinion, = the ARRL License manual is best for General. Now you do need to know someth= ing about Radio to pass the Extra, but it is not impossible. This dumb ol' = Hillbilly did it, after all. >=20 > > i have long heard about 160 and 75 for good techie talk stuff. >=20 > Yes, the AM Windows are good for that anyway. Now the SSB (Slop Bucket) c= rowd on 75 Meters can be real Pig Farmers. You know you don't need a licens= e to listen in. Most any decent Short-Wave Radio will pick up 75 Meters and= many will pick up 160 Meters and you can just listen in. In fact, the whol= e reason I am a Ham today is I would listen to the guys on 75 Meters AM and= I wanted to join in on the fun. :-) >=20 > > i tried for my general on a whim with no studying before hand and didn'= t pass it. >=20 > Yea, you gotta study. Even though I had been a Broadcast Engineer since 1= 984. I still had to study in order to know the laws and practices of Amateu= r Radio. >=20 > > the older i get the worse my memory and attention span is getting. >=20 > I have also found that to be the case. It is called "Getting Old". >=20 > > i would like to get my extra but i suspect i will barely make it to gen= eral. maybe 10-15 years ago i could study and remember enough to get my ext= ra but these days would be lucky to pass my general. >=20 > You can do it, IF you put your mind to it. In my case, I missed Extra by = ONE stupid Question on my first Exam Session after I passed Tech and Genera= l on the same Session. The Satellite, Digital Mode and Moon bounce question= s got me, as I had never messed with anything like that. I am an AM guy aft= er all. Shortly after that, I went into the Hospital with Double Pneumonia = and had a respiratory attack and nearly died. Since then, my Short Term and= most of my Long Term Memory is GONE, and I have had a helluva time recover= ing from that one. Well last Halloween Weekend, I took one of those "Cram F= or the Exam" classes for Extra put on my SCHEARTS, and Nailed it. That is w= hy I say if I can do it, anybody can. BTW, as an Excuse Remover, I sat next= to a Blind Guy who also passed his Extra. Talk About Motivation! >=20 > > i am on disability which means i'll always be a renter so no outdoor a= ntenna's. >=20 > I am also an Apartment Dweller, but I put up my Slinky at night and have = my fun, then take it down before the B*tch Land Lady sees it in the Morning= ! LOL=20 >=20 > I also have some land about 30 Miles away I have a radio shack on, and ho= pe to move a Trailer out there to live in this Summer. >=20 > > i was trying to sell off all my stuff so i could upgrade some of my stu= dio computer and ham stuff. one of the things which was going to be a remot= erig setup so i could put the radio at moms, but as it goes when i can't se= ll i can't buy. so i'm stuck where i'm at for now till something comes thro= ugh. >=20 > The Economy is rough. The small group of Catholic Radio Stations I Engine= er for can just barely pay me what they do, and they put up with me while I= was recovering from my Bout with Double Pneumonia and my Respiratory Attac= k, so I am Loyal as a Dog to them. I have been offered MANY Engineering gi= gs that I have turned down because of that. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Dec 12 12:53:20 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96432 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1323723199; bh=hCBU/sNUtg35NF82OEWDpYV4aJ28/74zSpKHy3Ax0aQ=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=eHVObjEP+y22EfPlhga2zfdgVhCcBSnEfhRFLol9n6X7Ts9isxUnVecQt5W9gSgYNLYSLeRzaE/ZqKtfNOUtE4/N+2fomb57QYWTUTKZz+svNfOycEklPdkRTi1pvKOs Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24783 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2011 07:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2011 07:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.164) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2011 07:14:04 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP36 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:10:34 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP36.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:10:34 -0800 To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:10:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2011 07:10:34.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A762D90:01CCB578] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=cto_oGzMqVPr4D-hmfiA7gwFqER48wpLx9NoXczuzOHV X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:18 -0000 i think after this equipment is sold off i'm not really going to bother with radio much anymore. if i am no longer able to sell old gear to by upgrades for the studio and ham shack there really is no sense anymore. seems everyone has lost interest if they can't just turn it on and stick it up there nose, in ears or up there arse theyre lost and/or just don't care how it works just that it does. i am seeing this in the ham bands more and more now too. you try to talk technical you get ran off the repeater!!!! Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "KeithB" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? >I have seen the same complaint in other groups. I'm not sure if it's due to >the general poor state of the economy, or the fact that there's new stuff >coming out all the time, e.g. Iphones, tablets, 3-D TV, and maybe people >are more interested in owning the "latest and greatest" than vintage gear. > > Keith B. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: >> >> it seems quite impossible (and very frustrating) to sell used electronics >> and radio stuff these days. even at hamfests and flea markets anymore it >> is becoming impossible. >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Dec 12 12:53:20 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95614 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2011 20:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1323723199; bh=nLh1q3U3kVFuIcWTexDq0nqDDg9sRWnBjW6E3q2xSpc=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=s9poVh05nJJvQ9DyAP1S7pE9moqBWVyKFF3GsMgL2CNr4ItultPaUzl3Hg5NY5h41tY5PEo1QJLGzZAlNyK+2XQ2Q7ECtqmIiTHKSf/5G3ooiqdlYgPO+T+1rHcStr9f Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16702 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2011 18:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2011 18:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.145) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2011 18:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP14 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:43:00 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP14.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:42:59 -0800 To: References: <4EE38A7E.801@usfamily.net> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:42:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2011 18:42:59.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A34C6C0:01CCB76B] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some vintage commercial broadcast stuff - trade only X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=itHHv2in7x5ItwjkP5UtrouxssXWl7Jo7mYXqSZZJRo0 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:18 -0000 can be throttled to two watts iirc Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some vintage commercial broadcast stuff - trade only > On 12/6/2011 12:56 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > >> have a cunningham 36 watt rms cathode modulated part 73 transmitter and >> manual in like new condition but not operational. probably needs new caps >> and a tip100 cheap fix. >> > >> >> this big tube setup is ideal for Pre/post sunset it's overkill for >> carrier >> current. >> > Actually it isn't. This Cunningham unit can be throttled back to 20W or > so which is what the LPB carrier current units put out. > > Scott Todd > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Dec 12 12:53:21 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18263 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1323723199; bh=2BgCZTDpbMv6diHzj6v12iahwrFwRDgiwxgcC2SDTJg=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=FOfdiwPhFFzWolbDe+NWWVOiutEHj0WCnO5MErhC6VGwebWJi+rXrLm8u2guUcKZRGPLD6f//b8WPpSVJ5ItgXs8BykWKf4WnT/nNW5nmLl/QVaH3c492v1OiysFtt9p Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:19 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91837 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2011 19:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2011 19:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc1-s24.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.116.35) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2011 19:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP31 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:00:48 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP31.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:00:48 -0800 To: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:01:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2011 19:00:48.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D852180:01CCB449] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.116.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: equipment available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=EIquffsFKsWEyJDcCD9FANZiXF7-Fkyo7iwcHcoQAhX3 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 12 Dec 2011 20:53:17 -0000 Hi, I have lots of electronics equipment for sale. over 20 years worth of collecting. enough stuff to pack every square inch of a 10ft budget rental truck. i'm never in one location long these days and just tired of needing a 16ft uhaul and storage costs because of all the electronics. i have radios, radio parts, broadcast stuff, ham stuff, books, computer stuff, solar panel stuff, telco stuff. i have no inventory lists there is that much stuff. email to arrange a time to view. i am keeping some items but most of it has to go. i am not a commercial vendor i'm just trying to liquidate most of the stuff from my ham hobby. if anyone knows anyone who is a reseller that will take all this stuff off my hands in one shot i'll make a real good price to get it all out of my hair. please pass this info among membership and other clubs, friends, etc. it's all stored in arvada at my moms right now. to take it all i'm looking at close to a 2000.00 ballpark figure. for someone who does hamfests they should be able get close to 4000.00 out of it all. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Dec 12 14:01:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11904 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2011 22:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2011 22:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f174.google.com) (209.85.213.174) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2011 22:01:46 -0000 X-Received: by yenm11 with SMTP id m11so4198409yen.19 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:01:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.179.2 with SMTP id g2mr29611870yhm.27.1323727305584; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:01:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u47sm32898475yhl.0.2011.12.12.14.01.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:01:43 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:01:40 -0500 Message-Id: References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=--uitGyhaPRmla8cgvOqFyl0noio7QCvI8OUEDQlPh2hAwjEhf9cKqq9eSRV8A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 8, 2011, at 2:10 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > i am seeing this in the ham bands more and more now too. you try to talk > technical you get ran off the repeater!!!! There are several of us who run 2 Meter AM. It drives the Appliance Operator / CB Transplant / LIDs / Pig Farmers nuts trying to figure out what is going on. LOL 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 14:32:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13426 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2011 22:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2011 22:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.66) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2011 22:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2011 22:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.238] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2011 22:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2011 22:32:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 528239.51028.bm@omp1038.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 41807 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2011 22:32:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kfusoxYVM1l5q0jBOPVQBkN2DbBQRmPyRUAomYolEXbk4YG uRtkJjY2xmeAWWRgYiyN637oZLJFgXdFImqh9e.DQ3nqm1zfWkI2dNe4U4em 6Ea.Q.HiRLor5lf.z5DBcuQPOCMf.MSUxFNwAVDx6QLDf7obSdeERpnc9YYR iiOMRuXo9fZR_kY15tStO9jKCvPWZS2TqaSbz12yBKmPJZvTMlixMg7Oo4vt orw5wMPO.kgkTWhyhv56UxFIpWIuugCvuHpfXdPT1zrIrlOHSKFVksf_P8j3 uz0flHu1PRbsWnZvbsySygUChLYaxEFCRG4taN7xTTxsDQJLiXhbaLNxH2lP KfsbiCdJmU.Wenw1VWzXvf.PoOPB3i4fazMjf9FYM06ErFw.aWfXPDJJPV4g 2w3xzW9819jgYNSfJYmHwmTbKnWBkf3PDJwkL9dVrOCvIRMv_Ip8o1xyVJ0T XViK3mzri5vxotizYZj5mrBYEvb3J4UmgRXwykGV6yLtv1rQzT5NvWg-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:32:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1323729126.33116.YahooMailClassic@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:32:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wueyTuRJ1b7HHV5B4K7VpSLNUCG6M7UDZncROAoNwG8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've done 6 meter AM.....=A0=A0 :)=A0=20 =A0 Powell W4OPW NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 12/12/11, Kevin Raper wrote: On Dec 8, 2011, at 2:10 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > i am seeing this in the ham bands more and more now too. you try to talk= =20 > technical you get ran off the repeater!!!! There are several of us who run 2 Meter AM. It drives the Appliance Operato= r / CB Transplant / LIDs / Pig Farmers nuts trying to figure out what is go= ing on. LOL 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 05:03:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46751 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2011 13:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2011 13:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f53.google.com) (209.85.213.53) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2011 13:03:22 -0000 X-Received: by yhjj52 with SMTP id j52so424301yhj.26 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 05:03:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.124.15 with SMTP id w15mr3288611yhh.120.1323781401812; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 05:03:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l11sm59490116anm.22.2011.12.13.05.03.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 13 Dec 2011 05:03:20 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:03:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1323729126.33116.YahooMailClassic@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1323729126.33116.YahooMailClassic@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4F8D516C-8618-4576-8372-0A2EF24D6EF6@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.53 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=C8WWoETyCC-9hPx-PCZxWD-Qt89FWBwhhj2a8GF9L6-eLS276BSEh2od9yx_3w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 12, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > I've done 6 meter AM..... :) 6 meter AM is loads of fun too, but it is still pretty common. There is almost NO 2 meter AM activity anymore, until me and some of my buddies decide to have an AM Rag-Chew just for fun. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Tue Dec 13 12:28:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19894 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2011 20:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2011 20:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2011 20:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2011 20:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2011 20:27:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:27:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F8D516C-8618-4576-8372-0A2EF24D6EF6@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=ncE-BfM9IPMNGld6KC_g5LPYPDlPZmiTkpOjlQWbvRAV7F5rgw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: I've done 6 meter AM..... :)=20=20 >=20 > 6 meter AM is loads of fun too, but it is still pretty common. There is a= lmost NO 2 meter AM activity anymore, until me and some of my buddies decid= e to have an AM Rag-Chew just for fun. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 > All this time I kept thinking that 2 meter AM activity was gone entirely.= I know its common on the 80 meter band as I hear activity in the little AM= window centering around 3.885 every evening. Some people down there are us= ing interesting equipment and in fact I heard one person using a modern and= highly efficient pulse step modulation AM transmitter and if that was not = enough their receiver was a modified Sony Dream Machine clock radio! It was= not as common in the Pacific Northwest but here in the Midwest I hear lots= of AM activity on a daily basis but mostly from the east coast due to me h= aving compromised antennas for HF. > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 12:44:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27385 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2011 20:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2011 20:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f46.google.com) (209.85.213.46) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2011 20:44:21 -0000 X-Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so865942yhr.5 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:44:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.115.40 with SMTP id d28mr6084577yhh.37.1323809060982; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:44:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q16sm483410anb.19.2011.12.13.12.44.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:44:18 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:44:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <853C57CD-ECA1-48D3-AE8A-07BBBBCCF7D2@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ot: where is all the $$ in the USA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=u6f6JZCLxalhOn7KJB8ZSabqFjE1scfDL-TEAX1EHV_y7E8IPP1iqV8PKHzgxA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:27 PM, nicholas wrote: >> All this time I kept thinking that 2 meter AM activity was gone entirely. There are a few of us that like to fire up our Heathkit 2ers and put em to use. >> I know its common on the 80 meter band as I hear activity in the little AM window centering around 3.885 every evening. Some people down there are using interesting equipment and in fact I heard one person using a modern and highly efficient pulse step modulation AM transmitter and if that was not enough their receiver was a modified Sony Dream Machine clock radio! listen to 160 Meters and 75 Meters and you will also hear guys running C-QUAM AM Stereo! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 16 05:18:42 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83946 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2011 13:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2011 13:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2011 13:18:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1324041520; bh=XiQc72hJEHu85+LUELXbJdksn2zov8LweddKIZdZR/k=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=JIVQLw/pg5weDWRCIgr189YdMkz26tSj5qshOsl4OpuOaUzFICw1TkaKo+3CxqQN4xppELtdZQunEBBSetnRiF3vUdQLh4Vf9pnfy9I7LlJ56Vu9O4M3Re7WCwmMtwVc Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 13:18:40 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 13:18:40 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54836 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2011 19:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2011 19:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s15.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2011 19:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP44 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:13:21 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP44.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:13:20 -0800 To: References: <4EE38A7E.801@usfamily.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:12:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2011 19:13:20.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[46B74FA0:01CCB9CB] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some vintage commercial broadcast stuff - trade only X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=YwFFcFD7NjtMjeHhozO3qGHoIURvyKYrP_RWR31tmpII X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Dec 2011 13:18:39 -0000 hey scott whats the 3 digit password to get into the eas? Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some vintage commercial broadcast stuff - trade only > On 12/6/2011 12:56 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > >> have a cunningham 36 watt rms cathode modulated part 73 transmitter and >> manual in like new condition but not operational. probably needs new caps >> and a tip100 cheap fix. >> > >> >> this big tube setup is ideal for Pre/post sunset it's overkill for >> carrier >> current. >> > Actually it isn't. This Cunningham unit can be throttled back to 20W or > so which is what the LPB carrier current units put out. > > Scott Todd > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 16 07:18:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46297 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2011 15:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2011 15:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-07.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.167) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2011 15:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111216091835002396600011> for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:18:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EEB614B.8050606@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:18:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:18:35 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4EE38A7E.801@usfamily.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111216-0, 12/16/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some vintage commercial broadcast stuff - trade only X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=l0rR-0cfVFqMgzT-BGacaG31kMvwYLV03id24KFMqLnbDMQxG5XP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/16/2011 7:18 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > hey scott > > whats the 3 digit password to get into the eas? > I've never fired it up. I just got it with a bunch of other broadcast gear a few years ago. I'd try the default 111. It's not to often that I see anyone changing that. If that doesn't work check if there's an internal battery. Try pulling that and see if it restores defaults. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 08:34:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51612 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2011 16:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2011 16:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.55) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2011 16:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 16:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 16:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 16:34:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:34:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.236.31.96 From: "Jota" Subject: And old-fashioned way issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bnNgdMGqoo8TOZs6idXATPgMkegVn3hMjCwRdWFVj1swqc27MA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! While I can to start to build a new place (building) to replace our lost or= iginal studio site, I've been ordering old things and old stuff to avoid to= lose more than we are lossing (you know... there is always fast hands peop= le). And, at the same time, I've been "collecting" money (bank credit, mort= gage, garage selling, etc, etc, etc) to buy the new TX. Well, while I was on the old stuffs room, I found an old TX circuit diagram= (from my grandfather design, based on I don't know what) that I guess it i= s from the old vacuum tube TX the station used up to the McMartin BA-2.5K a= rrived here. I discovered they didn't use an specific audio processing device (at least,= I never knew/saw one). They used a compressor/expander circuit inside the = transmitter audio input amplifier "card". They used two tubes to get a para= llel feedback creating an automatic gain control unit. Almost the same prin= ciple of the still used UREI BL-40 FET transistor circuit. But I can't identify which tubes are, because the drawing is too worn-out (= it is more than 50 years old ink) and there is a lost piece which, I guess,= there should be some resistors/capacitors network. Whatever, Does somebody know something about this kind of AGC to light my g= reat ignorance, please? ??? BTW: And I know it is because my great grade of ignorance but, please, ligh= t me: Is it absolutely necessary to use the PWM or PDM systems in the today= solid state TXs? Isn't it too better if it would be more simple, I mean, t= he old direct analog "plate" or "screen" modulation technique but within th= e transistors technique world? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 16 17:52:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69203 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2011 01:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2011 01:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2011 01:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111216195226001803700011> for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:52:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EEBF5DA.8050001@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:52:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:52:26 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111216-3, 12/16/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} And old-fashioned way issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=uFIYRaBM7kDptedLCIr-AA-Q3DLPiqiIGb5NfIMExrpDq0Fm6K3T X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/16/2011 10:34 AM, Jota wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > > While I can to start to build a new place (building) to replace our lost > original studio site, I've been ordering old things and old stuff to > avoid to lose more than we are lossing (you know... there is always fast > hands people). And, at the same time, I've been "collecting" money (bank > credit, mortgage, garage selling, etc, etc, etc) to buy the new TX. > > Well, while I was on the old stuffs room, I found an old TX circuit > diagram (from my grandfather design, based on I don't know what) that I > guess it is from the old vacuum tube TX the station used up to the > McMartin BA-2.5K arrived here. > > I discovered they didn't use an specific audio processing device (at > least, I never knew/saw one). They used a compressor/expander circuit > inside the transmitter audio input amplifier "card". They used two tubes > to get a parallel feedback creating an automatic gain control unit. > Almost the same principle of the still used UREI BL-40 FET transistor > circuit. > > But I can't identify which tubes are, because the drawing is too > worn-out (it is more than 50 years old ink) and there is a lost piece > which, I guess, there should be some resistors/capacitors network. > > Whatever, Does somebody know something about this kind of AGC to light > my great ignorance, please? ??? > > BTW: And I know it is because my great grade of ignorance but, please, > light me: Is it absolutely necessary to use the PWM or PDM systems in > the today solid state TXs? Isn't it too better if it would be more > simple, I mean, the old direct analog "plate" or "screen" modulation > technique but within the transistors technique world? ?? Without seeing the diagram it's pretty hard to tell you anything. The premier AGC amp of 50 years ago was the Audimax-IIr, but I have a hard time believing it could be done with only two tubes. A peak limiter, possibly, but not AGC with both compression and expansion. As far as PDM vs. high level, the distinct advantage of PDM is not having to bother with the heavy modulation iron. You could do analog series modulation, but then the modulating transistors are always creating heat because they're biased class A or AB rather than being pulsed as in a PWM or PDM configuration. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Dec 16 19:08:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81939 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2011 03:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2011 03:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f177.google.com) (209.85.160.177) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2011 03:08:08 -0000 X-Received: by ghrr15 with SMTP id r15so986814ghr.36 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:08:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.131.97 with SMTP id l61mr16071117yhi.52.1324091287052; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:08:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q16sm25515011anb.19.2011.12.16.19.07.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:07:53 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) In-Reply-To: <4EEBF5DA.8050001@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:07:37 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9A403B9C-909F-4C87-B19D-F11F763B2663@gmail.com> References: <4EEBF5DA.8050001@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} And old-fashioned way issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Hkc88QwF4qpNu-iWCVvQAD_EYYS4azS2J5mIhw4ysIh43L9zYW4LGXmStdA6bw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > On 12/16/2011 10:34 AM, Jota wrote: > Whatever, Does somebody know something about this kind of AGC to light > my great ignorance, please? ??? Instead of trying to reverse engineer a Vintage Design, why not try to pick= up a DBX 266XL? They do sound pretty darn good and you can pick one up use= d for less than $100 Dollars used. I use several of them around WCKI and ev= erybody likes them. > BTW: And I know it is because my great grade of ignorance but, please, > light me: Is it absolutely necessary to use the PWM or PDM systems in > the today solid state TXs? Isn't it too better if it would be more > simple, I mean, the old direct analog "plate" or "screen" modulation > technique but within the transistors technique world? ?? You are describing the 1979 Vintage Harris MW1 Transmitter. They are very P= ower Hungry and not very reliable.=20 If you would rather Build than Buy, you can find circuits for Home Brew PDM= or Class E Ham Transmitters online. It is not a far stretch to convert a 1= 60 Meter Ham rig to Medium Wave. Take a look here: http://www.classeradio.com/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 17 17:28:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7291 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2011 01:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2011 01:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-05.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2011 01:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111217192744000467300011> for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:27:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EED418E.60601@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:27:42 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:27:44 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111217-2, 12/17/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: somewhat OT- schematic needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GUZYnB7wdHNesVhIkmAzgKb_YJ_rw4U18NBiSRrpmoK_DQmBD2H8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Anyone here have a schematic for a Radio Shack SA-102 amp? Picked one up but left channel is dead. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 17 18:55:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64265 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2011 02:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2011 02:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2011 02:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111217205457000173800011> for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:54:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EED55FF.9070909@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:54:55 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:54:57 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111217-2, 12/17/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=qRldS4wECp0X8go2Vv1a4LWeoiowwsRibTbj6Pjko3qBVDRhhojN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=181371 Saw this just now and thought I'd pass it along. Guy is building an AM stereo transmitter with only two tubes and using a function generator for the 25Hz pilot, though he's hoping to create a tube oscillator for that too when all is said and done. Scott Todd From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Dec 18 12:46:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96162 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2011 20:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2011 20:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2011 20:46:00 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.180]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LWF008BU30NTEB1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:46:00 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <7B4A96115C65473CAB7633B59F456BFD@RichardPC> To: References: <4EEBF5DA.8050001@usfamily.net> In-reply-to: <4EEBF5DA.8050001@usfamily.net> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:46:00 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: OT: New Year's Eve, Old TV Show X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With New Year=E2=80=99s coming up, I would like to repeat an offer I made l= ast year. I have an off-the-air recording of an old PBS special =E2=80=9CN= ew Year=E2=80=99s Eve With Guy Lombardo=E2=80=9D, that featured the new Lom= bardo band plus archival clips from the old one. It was taken from an old V= HS tape, so the quality is only fair. But it is viewable, and a very enjoy= able program for any old-timers out there or maybe their parents. Part is = in color and part is B&W. I would be happy to make a DVD copy and send it =E2=80=9Cno charge=E2=80=9D= (48 states) if anyone was interested. If the program were still available= from PBS I would not make this offer. Thanks, Dick W. Tampa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Dec 18 12:49:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40153 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2011 20:49:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2011 20:49:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173011pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.11) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2011 20:49:13 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.180]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LWF00KXL3601F92@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:49:13 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <9749D106FB58417C8F0BA2DD4A85D919@RichardPC> To: References: <4EEBF5DA.8050001@usfamily.net> <7B4A96115C65473CAB7633B59F456BFD@RichardPC> In-reply-to: <7B4A96115C65473CAB7633B59F456BFD@RichardPC> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:49:12 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." 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Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: New Year's Eve, Old TV Show X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgot: Contact at dwtpa96@verizon.net Sorry - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 19 21:48:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48541 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2011 05:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2011 05:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.236.141) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2011 05:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2011 05:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2011 05:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2011 05:48:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 991681.63148.bm@smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: FFADo6gVM1nZKIY5syTUEkH15IMnLopTnRhhAN43amFvUY5 YjMMdrGryVSIWt3QucPI1COC9pdpJZYLw6iOPcEPDhLhzlRaWG5.HDCo1Ppg 2uUHC.3MBArCv88s_RMj1Ig_9Sk1JmPfei1xGwtqtI61wDGBNFnJQFolcDEn 0EDYj31hDrOYP25S8F5umiSByIwmoQE1VPCL6PukBDpx_DNqUjRtOalteJQm 5Z_xyPDAUQ4GrVVHRr5SZbmLV0npJg7Wpp6Imn_vbhub1anggudXdRDTbU.9 uqv.QvTVC2ztwD7e.GSStrXqEFCy4MAWr2KhCrsdCZcU3xFfwUoLCAjucv1x LBSRg0HyFt225kT_KQtCZAfvcpFM2_J9LfcUab3cEBH6WvdjgwySuPPibNTI MRXuit7Drpfe9VgQdH.19DQHDUyLBsl3zX6CSAE2aZg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@68.72.216.24 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2011 21:48:20 -0800 PST Message-ID: <9C2C05E3E24F47EF905CF5BF458BA527@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:48:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.236.141 From: "jim smith" Subject: You All Have a Merry One X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=OyZyDU0FcYG40TZZSHco-LnI76tr6DxWIxR_trnbHZK7BEyiu9N-UuEpMMUMHl9vap8Dzg-3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang I hope that all have a Merry One and a Happy New Year. P.S Is there any stations turnig on there AMS during this time? None out here on the left coast. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Dec 20 05:36:34 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35834 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2011 13:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2011 13:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.198) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2011 13:36:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1324388189; bh=oIRDXycUn8/rYNcRVPfQiBzxOTws+Dj6kw51IiyXdM8=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=UYOdljXdaDbiV51rxCx/+FuQWljU3/ew+2sf60O4nGgylYxMKHQh7fm/nfndYSwezBrBuw1dXJuVtyOFUmA9dR7+VNN3uX5U8xjJ5chB/rmJb8U8sTcGom8B+uSGjGwG Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2011 13:36:29 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2011 13:36:29 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2011 13:36:29 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57232 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2011 16:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2011 16:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2011 16:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP119 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:42:21 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP119.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:42:20 -0800 To: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:42:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2011 16:42:20.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADDC1790:01CCBC11] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: delta ase2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=TzKU7fMjCBDPuXSyQFo8WabDOLpRnlc_UBTu-mFKiBIV X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Dec 2011 13:36:29 -0000 someone has a delta ase 2 listed on ebay for 517.00 not my auction http://www.ebay.com/itm/Delta-Electronics-ASE-2-AM-Stereo-Exciter-Broadcast-Vintage-Rack-/170744196882?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c125af12 Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 09:20:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99686 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2011 17:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2011 17:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.174) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2011 17:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2011 17:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2011 17:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2011 17:19:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:19:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.161.186 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: delta ase2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=uW4ETwcwk-1u4VvwPfLonchI1CQzuKujjTbzK-dzj1F96rV2va-9pJE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Santa knows what we'd all want for Christmas! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > someone has a delta ase 2 listed on ebay for 517.00 not my auction > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Delta-Electronics-ASE-2-AM-Stereo-Exciter-Broadca= st-Vintage-Rack-/170744196882?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem27c125af12 From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Dec 23 07:30:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74160 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2011 15:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2011 15:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2011 15:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pBNFTucp029280 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:29:56 -0500 X-Received: from core-mga002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.217]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id ABCAAE00008B for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:29:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <23d75.af7ebdc.3c25f874@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:29:56 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:379235552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74ef49e7466dc X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: KCJJ 1630 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=f8TxAknSf3iLkZaNi64PYZHmF6Vawgu3He-CXa402CmoZUbPadkL X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, From what I am able to hear the past few weeks it sounds like KCJJ is morphing into a talk radio station. Several nights a week they are broadcasting some kind of NASCAR Radio Network programming with a call-in show talking about car racing. They seem to carry mostly music over weekend evenings but weekday evenings you are likely to hear talk-radio style programming. I think they play mostly music late overnight. I wrote to them recently asking if someone there could send me their evening schedule but never heard back from them. I think their daytime programming is a mix of talk radio and music. They are definitely not playing as much music as they were about a year ago. They were the last AM Stereo station heard widely in the evenings that played mostly music in stereo. They are still broadcasting in AM Stereo but not as much music as there used to be. I would guess to be able to hear more AM Stereo Music someone will need to be lucky enough to live near one of the few small-market AM Stereo music stations left in the country, like WNMB AM Stereo 900 in North Myrtle Beach, SC. Hope everyone will have a nice Christmas and Holidays! 73 - Todd WD4NGG From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Dec 23 09:54:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20487 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2011 17:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2011 17:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.243) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2011 17:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2011 17:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2011 17:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2011 17:54:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:54:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4EED55FF.9070909@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=K9c7IPMLJ7T8to9u1edTBWoCcvqumn2V4sKuAniEAwrU X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq This is cool Scott. I do a similar thing with my modified Ramsey AM-25. L-R= tickles the PLL. Sounds great on my SRF-42. I do the same thing on 75 nmet= ers. L-R modulates my HG-10B VFO. In both cases the 25 Hz is generated by a= n external oscillator. It's not CQUAM but it's stereo. Hopefully my next tr= ansmitter will be using a Harris CQUAM generator. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3D12&t=3D181371 >=20 > Saw this just now and thought I'd pass it along. Guy is building an AM=20 > stereo transmitter with only two tubes and using a function generator=20 > for the 25Hz pilot, though he's hoping to create a tube oscillator for=20 > that too when all is said and done. >=20 > Scott Todd > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 11:08:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93278 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2011 19:08:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2011 19:08:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.38) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2011 19:08:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2011 19:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2011 19:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2011 19:08:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:08:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.161.186 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Pester your local AMS to turn on CQUAM for Christmas Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=H0l2EocVj3HaztmFDorgWW07AOx8OJxz1IvUvaCaX1eYU-_EfMJ_fiA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio It might be too late, but I'm still pestering my local stations that still = have CQUAM installed, that's turned-off, to turn it on just for Christmas m= usic programming. Worth a shot. If even the AM stations that have HD would at least put it in 'stereo' HD A= M mode, as many still have a stereo board from their CQuam days, that would= be nice too! Merry Christmas everyone, and the best of the holiday season, John From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Dec 23 12:57:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33483 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2011 20:57:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2011 20:57:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f180.google.com) (209.85.213.180) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2011 20:57:28 -0000 X-Received: by yenr8 with SMTP id r8so7512917yen.39 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:57:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.150.134 with SMTP id z6mr23671471yhj.42.1324673848210; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:57:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x8sm35868727anh.17.2011.12.23.12.57.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:57:26 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:57:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <100DEBAB-335F-4879-AF12-D5EBA5825F9B@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=PvIGiSKFxeBNdODrWm3yyMNHRUlIbVqRSxokGtgy2WOih6YQLKsIYPQNt5p8mw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=181371 > > Saw this just now and thought I'd pass it along. Guy is building an AM > stereo transmitter with only two tubes and using a function generator > for the 25Hz pilot, though he's hoping to create a tube oscillator for > that too when all is said and done. This looks like it would be a FUN 160 Meter PW Transmitter. What does it make? About 3 Watts? 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 24 17:29:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99438 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2011 01:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2011 01:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-01.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.151) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2011 01:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111224192907003166400010> for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:29:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EF67C56.1030306@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:28:54 -0600 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:29:07 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111224-1, 12/24/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=N5dqvCMsfTg3ckCohsb5ez64DX-YhH1qxWTgO5hksKIM3RUz5CB2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/23/2011 11:54 AM, wa2fnq wrote: > This is cool Scott. I do a similar thing with my modified Ramsey AM-25. > L-R tickles the PLL. Sounds great on my SRF-42. I do the same thing on > 75 nmeters. L-R modulates my HG-10B VFO. In both cases the 25 Hz is > generated by an external oscillator. It's not CQUAM but it's stereo. > Hopefully my next transmitter will be using a Harris CQUAM generator. > > Jerry WA2FNQ I think what he's doing is actually closer to the Magnavox system. I'm tempted to build an entirely tube CQuAM exciter but I've got more ideas than time. I've got an old tube type HP freq counter that was gutted except for the power supply and if I could find some small Triad, Jensen, or something similar, split secondary audio transformers to do the L+R/L-R matrixing that would go a long way towards getting the project started. Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 25 10:32:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11118 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2011 18:32:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2011 18:32:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2011 18:32:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2011 18:32:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2011 18:32:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:32:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4EF67C56.1030306@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.161.186 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=NHny5jg8m15xL-aSWWiZAyHgYCdTlw3lbNB0wJIancGDbfYdT8FFbJI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Scott: Would some 25V/70V/8-OHM paging system transformers be of use to use for su= ch a project? Have a Blessed Christmas, John ... if I could find some small Triad,=20 Jensen, or something similar, split secondary audio transformers to do=20 the L+R/L-R matrixing that would go a long way towards getting the=20 project started. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Dec 25 13:16:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72102 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2011 21:16:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2011 21:16:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2011 21:16:35 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pBPLGUo4023592 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 16:16:30 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.9]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1E265E000081 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 16:16:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 16:16:30 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400348544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d4ef792ae1347 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: An AM Stereo Christmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=ncME_LWmoi4H00H_pQ93O1pQ-bN4IGdhu7S0D0D2Mi_dNImPUJ1q X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, Santa didn't bring me any new radios for Christmas but I have had some good AM Stereo Listening. Saturday evening Dec 24, reception conditons were very good to KCJJ 1630 in Coralville, Iowa and KCJJ was playing music all evening and what sounded like all night long. At times reception built up to very good levels with full Stereo separation. On Sunday Christmas day I am hearing my first AM Stereo daytimer very well - 5000 watt WLWL AM Stereo 770 in Rockingham, NC. Late afternoon from about 3:30 PM on their signal has built up to very good levels for nice long term AM Stereo listening with good separation using the Delco UX-1. WLWL plays a Beach Music type format, mostly oldies it sounds like. Normally WLWL is buried in the noise down here in the daytime so unusual to have this daytime enhancement. It must be the extra short days of the year contributing to this. Looking at WLWL's coverage map, someone in Florence, Sumter and even Coulumbia, SC with a good DX antenna should be able to hear WLWL in the daytime, as well as someone living near the Charlotte, NC area. Merry Christmas to everyone! 73 - Todd WD4NGG From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Dec 26 16:01:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31617 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2011 00:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2011 00:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-05.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.155) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2011 00:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20111226180111000990700011> for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:01:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4EF90AC6.2020602@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:01:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:01:11 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111226-1, 12/26/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.155 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=OPaL5CmYUnqlWgC6k5cQ5IGrKzdWKnYYncO0bZfDtqI-YlR17OmE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/25/2011 12:32 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > Hi Scott: > Would some 25V/70V/8-OHM paging system transformers be of use to use for > such a project? > Have a Blessed Christmas, > John > Nope. The secondaries are hooked as a bridge circuit and need to be well matched with split secondaries for it to work properly. Scott From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Dec 27 08:11:45 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10778 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2011 16:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.216) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1325002303; bh=cU4ukXDgMC0G7to2ksaXrUgYLXqd1CRKzGDWEUaiRQQ=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=vI2uqsS4F8fCjTQRCiZpQEoBl6igA6a2ddUq/3vXz+hgXpnNufd41EkX/r8lCG9mYcKDdsOENJhONiwpxT3+xboF3fDK0aK9PJu6BebMb0WnKa9lcGwySsqDyWwh8su5 Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:43 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:43 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:43 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3434 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2011 15:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2011 15:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s22.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.161) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2011 15:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP162 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:52:25 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP162.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:52:23 -0800 To: References: <23d75.af7ebdc.3c25f874@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:52:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2011 15:52:23.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC91EBE0:01CCC18A] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ 1630 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=LGeYPSbnDZcBcb0_2APiCp1TaVC0pRAVNabwGDa4kjCa X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:42 -0000 alot of these stations are going talk radio because 1) it's popular with the masses and 2) the music maffia is bleeding stations dry with their fees!!!! we want to see music come back to AM like it once was we need to urge our senators en masse to put the music industry back in check. there is no reason for the outragious fees they charge. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: {AMSF} KCJJ 1630 > Hi All, > From what I am able to hear the past few weeks it sounds like > KCJJ is morphing into a talk radio station. > > Several nights a week they are broadcasting some kind of > NASCAR Radio Network programming with a call-in show > talking about car racing. > > They seem to carry mostly music over weekend evenings but > weekday evenings you are likely to hear talk-radio style > programming. I think they play mostly music late overnight. > > I wrote to them recently asking if someone there could send > me their evening schedule but never heard back from them. > > I think their daytime programming is a mix of talk radio and music. > They are definitely not playing as much > music as they were about a year ago. They were the last AM Stereo station > heard widely in the evenings that played mostly music in stereo. They are > still > broadcasting in AM Stereo but not as much music as there used to be. > > I would guess to be able to hear more AM Stereo Music someone will need > to > be lucky > enough to live near one of the few small-market AM Stereo music stations > left in the > country, like WNMB AM Stereo 900 in North Myrtle Beach, SC. > > Hope everyone will have a nice Christmas and Holidays! > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Dec 27 08:12:00 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49583 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2011 16:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.234) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1325002317; bh=Zt8hVLLFeI10JziVDXEkxxYUkB/kUvjdyApXGK3B494=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=Dd0ri9pMo2nmfGHiW25jFX3As/9hb0wquath5ufAZqcYeb7sb0Jt3kbKQzoNIsf3KRnqH+N6Pw0i0HkUlVm40PbKp5eRm0KkTO7OoRO4KsifysufqZhfPI2HoyWC1sTR Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:57 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:57 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:57 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92543 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2011 19:13:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2011 19:13:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.164) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2011 19:13:07 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP107 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:11:51 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP107.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:11:49 -0800 To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:11:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2011 19:11:49.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8E97020:01CCC1A6] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pester your local AMS to turn on CQUAM for Christmas Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=bWoncbPqajn-4gSKYYL1hSNXaOsvGGppyHP0RB9KmPBp X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Dec 2011 16:11:55 -0000 would be nice if wsm 650 would turn on cquam. they have a nice transmitter / antenna plant and it would sound close to fm stereo if they turned on cquam. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Facebook http://kc8gpd.tk QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "toledohamradio" To: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: {AMSF} Pester your local AMS to turn on CQUAM for Christmas Music > It might be too late, but I'm still pestering my local stations that still > have CQUAM installed, that's turned-off, to turn it on just for Christmas > music programming. Worth a shot. > If even the AM stations that have HD would at least put it in 'stereo' HD > AM mode, as many still have a stereo board from their CQuam days, that > would be nice too! > > Merry Christmas everyone, and the best of the holiday season, > John > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 27 17:11:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22257 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2011 01:11:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2011 01:11:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.225) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2011 01:11:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2011 01:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2011 01:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2011 01:11:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 01:11:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.21.223 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KCJJ 1630 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=TXxFGf_rpZlgK56qbAqueOqIEs6XfLsN5UEPncKZ6BNVwXcdNEZe4lNUoqyyMaXgjT9tfvCt X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Ya another peroblem is that radio makers are still makeing crapy so= unding radios for the masses on the AM side. Thats another resson why talk = radio is still populer on AM for now. My local big news talker KFBK AM 1530= has a FM simocaster 92.5 FM both in HD here neer Sacrcamento Ca. By All Ji= m Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > alot of these stations are going talk radio because 1) it's popular with = the=20 > masses and 2) the music maffia is bleeding stations dry with their fees!!= !!=20 > we want to see music come back to AM like it once was we need to urge our= =20 > senators en masse to put the music industry back in check. there is no=20 > reason for the outragious fees they charge. >=20 > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > Facebook > http://kc8gpd.tk > QRP Legal Unlicensed Radio Tech > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qrplurt/ > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:29 AM > Subject: {AMSF} KCJJ 1630 >=20 >=20 > > Hi All, > > From what I am able to hear the past few weeks it sounds like > > KCJJ is morphing into a talk radio station. > > > > Several nights a week they are broadcasting some kind of > > NASCAR Radio Network programming with a call-in show > > talking about car racing. > > > > They seem to carry mostly music over weekend evenings but > > weekday evenings you are likely to hear talk-radio style > > programming. I think they play mostly music late overnight. > > > > I wrote to them recently asking if someone there could send > > me their evening schedule but never heard back from them. > > > > I think their daytime programming is a mix of talk radio and music. > > They are definitely not playing as much > > music as they were about a year ago. They were the last AM Stereo stat= ion > > heard widely in the evenings that played mostly music in stereo. They = are > > still > > broadcasting in AM Stereo but not as much music as there used to be. > > > > I would guess to be able to hear more AM Stereo Music someone will nee= d=20 > > to > > be lucky > > enough to live near one of the few small-market AM Stereo music stati= ons > > left in the > > country, like WNMB AM Stereo 900 in North Myrtle Beach, SC. > > > > Hope everyone will have a nice Christmas and Holidays! > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Dec 27 18:39:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81997 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2011 02:39:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2011 02:39:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2011 02:39:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2011 02:39:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2011 02:39:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 02:39:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4EF90AC6.2020602@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=AB5pEM_TBr_jXD8YbSe3KnmlD71GJLbBv9mv2D90SrOU X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Yep. If things aren't well matched you can get some funky results. And your right. This is more of Magnavox/Belar type system but with a 25 Hz= pilot added it sort of works. Jerry WA2FNQ=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 12/25/2011 12:32 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > > Hi Scott: > > Would some 25V/70V/8-OHM paging system transformers be of use to use fo= r > > such a project? > > Have a Blessed Christmas, > > John > > > Nope. The secondaries are hooked as a bridge circuit and need to be=20 > well matched with split secondaries for it to work properly. >=20 > Scott > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 28 21:56:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6967 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2011 05:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2011 05:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.139) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2011 05:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 05:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 05:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 05:56:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 05:56:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.164.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.40.144.59 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=TWlg6FmVxKFE3tEKqov84SSFZmIJyaRCtIMLQ5K01h8AlK-m-8hdJUAO_WfDszIuLW1Kn8QQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Jerry I am a AM STEREO fan and what i have herd from the You Tube recor= dings of WOWO AM 1190 Magnavox AM STEREO from a Realistic TM 152 it work ve= ry well for that MC13020 chip. Again i am a AM STEREO fan not a broadcast e= ngineer. Its to bad that we don't have more AM STEREO fans on the AM STEREO= Forum. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Yep. If things aren't well matched you can get some funky results. >=20 > And your right. This is more of Magnavox/Belar type system but with a 25 = Hz pilot added it sort of works. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > > > On 12/25/2011 12:32 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > > > Hi Scott: > > > Would some 25V/70V/8-OHM paging system transformers be of use to use = for > > > such a project? > > > Have a Blessed Christmas, > > > John > > > > > Nope. The secondaries are hooked as a bridge circuit and need to be=20 > > well matched with split secondaries for it to work properly. > >=20 > > Scott > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 28 23:44:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94909 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2011 07:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2011 07:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.207) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2011 07:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 07:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 07:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 07:44:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 970244.27246.bm@smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: TrD2lJ0VM1mvngWb_9vWFc6F5r6wftbED3UdgDytUHNE1hv 423X2xWR_xNih_AaIplyvVnDEhoskuBP8EN.mQTKg3x40Idr8drOi8kwPB_u z9iTYSgYzz52KGqYBIixCxOiQ2I9xu1hPeF_yEhyvOt6oVfuqMjAF9A76YjR MoRHKbOPMs6D1qIcvgnHbkE.xRPVonQ4Ohr2oKcR36d1Rnkt.neOaaZUOc.P vn.vcI1ZgfrIlspKoBalvr1KyT72whVo_vcYTFqrhCThUfsKB7Zsnllo4Gil 56oOPgvbIKRRSC2GQn7e5FzBIy7WYLyI3CcTryP_DWunFA3DXooAE4h_Bpgy oq9yf.41pyuKySakPq4_tQznQwa_Kh3iBWhrod8zr7pQvT2gHxG_E1dF_gLR 6l37Xs38hqYNBcq0E4fmE5xTTHEMKRwZw0siWg3CXfPzRNqy5iHuFFhe1KtR swjQFtRCngaGyiZfgXNbkA4lj_NFEeIN9.MsIqGBiOBuj7BcEF6d92XGqWVI RZvWfbGL_qYL_8RGAC5B_tbo.G5VE3thQG.2YFhpOyZVyt0.z3U95p958eDl xFjpONU7pid9MK_bljSyCVoTHMdV52Vm8JX2C1F8k8bb2JXsyWbAj0UPuqvv 4vg57ZICzSGb7ScIgGzJadwOc_y1q0bpSs2tOM7fK9Vs9V4p09880Olnxzkh CxtkoAlcPMLJi.cZWjg3_lZ75YIrfS7Wn2l2kUOaj.mrndbTaemdwDPa2qMe lJBZqn31PFt8Rr8h.HsaPVoOmiqO_grjQC18jR5hIS65n1rKv7D5cYZcJ209 G2nXFoYa_deaiaUKxuS4unRLiXT42AUiZdy2GjZo_OSWm4gbTnz3V1N4dal2 oMxc21EOGmJ66.fFgCYgGw6dM28Qz_Er2z4e1OZS8EZnI50OrN33SqAoEqcK 1zy8mwzBYi80WNjypZj..CqduTlUf5o7KLe5H2PWAj.M55tidmpymHj7RV80 uAldqwnlNrHygZwKfGBFGWK.1kRuKsxa1Si5OOBF7doyggiUp5O7tTbWR5qz PvJjAYZDSik.mkR37HO4uPtAMqZrqAY3c_0M9ZdpIY4161ZpjPVTmY5h4p61 skecMnWPX6R0C7MLLTS7YsGFTq5BFzXN7FGc3xHt.tcg.6nsznpjj.QikcMQ 2etHwLBwyehNkD610h7tOIabcGDJCNdw94Yz4qe9YvzInP65naelSPa.qqCV nqAWFvGTc92HEnNInJrAHAVbpdYxkwZsvMzcasZkXnv1USWnaFvDnzwY61lj btvA6o1IIN3IYF5L7pj7LGEjOEqgmscmTezHvxif8QZ97ZdiAo6eGTlQkegj EDpAyNs_yj_ZUfNWgd_0aKbUzntsuAv3i8XnLT9Av9BtGyJ_JyZg_DUcPrTq FOQFMfWShvI0ZZ4dfNdrtc5KTfGQ8RdgaN.IRVLw6sPCOa37WFf8ku_g9zpm NkxXOf73UbmYTyTQ8GD8gdNEzpDqKPM.vMbyC3abau5grwg_GwHo3k3gkBjs 4NEthNOlP1BL1e63SKaQPTeMEvOjT_i78i1g_eIKyvpyMMF4hIFPN_FRXjZx rSDC9i0gj7.eBQ047OYLCeM0sXJ09jakSCHtqsW4aqpJ0b282EhKQGg2rA4x kE.jSRc.JG3EUCZbg7FeE1u5lptOgag3gpZ7ticgwLJ9lkKl9HvJyi6iRvqt GQVoSBuXvpGh9UwWkcdtOoBOVknpOmu6Eu7PWnto8h_ALSDgxeITAua.XBto nCABQ0CsVvJiUspp80N61__mYWpoy0VrvXhmxVA.lVlfLiUxTa0qBw6F4lMp Ur.KMRA3knTX63o3VQo4buRZ0xy3yISzN2ZYOUu7.jX84k8UIWPUcO6xVL3S 4KJbSHnYoFvwcbQMQ27FgR7dL6TEA9.Rpxzjx5eCvxxKFNCHPFGooFe9hBG3 wzmUJ5DQcVYGkRmkjIT2Bu5zHRr.AqutXr_LMgyWbv7.3wQ9hnEVRMRcrs6w KrWmwhEXJ8ligx1bkA4AompLkXw7eGRwZIz7oQxJSkL2oIpOGBwLrOECtlsH pRpojztEaXXvc8cKgtKyArMXSykiMZWE3lAG45_Dc4HFZKxSTx4zmt0YT3BG JGxYiPrKQwhhqJELafjbQK2OK1BfgQmFd22E6uiQ_JrwE6C4SbOtnIE.7GJA uFuUpFC3gzjSi1m.FmaIRz.i4Y4kqOX6uUyzu59l8gNzmQaW44YDa4yCeQl2 FgpfRpW3MK0.hUZ8LBJZjUb.nStFhj9d5U2qTi906YoFyeC8wlsN6iW4cdw4 KoEXixKLd63ovq8qZW5kIPK66qNPpJgo1aocFlYEqzurDlcwJ78Qm9H9tef8 gsKZ53t96fLh4hzjhbwFKetMVt6_iVc_N7b8Yl3KG_IcCWw7eg7WOkeTGKbF 4Zq240vuOhSa0.bcQL0tg.iYuFVsl92Uyb4uGpEYel_7Ghu4CwYffVENJeHz dJQ8.AYUrdPkaJUway6MWeyzm7X9gsPl2V_FRjttidwaQYY6Y3pmKEU7pvUo KMgmKB.jWJwMS3umkNFmTYQhxqlQOK4kvGSSOj8hzDnepMWVW6iafsdGR5Lg 2.Q5TLsOsjwtv72xX10ozyzY.0V4blBurPJe6ttYe4OpKhze2._OSIEiyQ6g ukuWrmeCad1wNGdnIp14UoXBm847OioZTgNQGIz_wSWBWZey_z32uhbyRABj ZMHhAicd9DnpW4dpX91f3QlSyyyzFJUcNmlFpe.s7sZdRKh9n8QT9GnUuqec o46jGVoR2l9IOWxQL64hYx4Lu4vBBly_ae9lppc_UPHh4rYQxJoSiZvxR0am kZEQgLgipWIZ3qJjgHf4ytWaQZexsLzKB6YQrQQmivkB.YE8orirkfIRCBUy JXxZ9B3L5f3T9F.8t0I4VCpNcV4e0gLcWD7CDp70OjA5RFBSpS2zIpe3UyYC GCjxKAFekS8.im21XIuvozWoVJW37zQ_1UENpDMOfsHTVHuAdjEVr9aWbQf8 IMUjp.iGf_s6EUaxrXfYXrogGIVBXmymd7.ONfSlf8C8AXcelsCy41BNewy0 lyF7UDbBJF0A1wErkFNjCpIV0 X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.40.144.59 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2011 23:44:31 -0800 PST Message-ID: <3D6E9128005E4DAD9F11C50360307607@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:44:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=R_ZTKbTYWrxx5TPGWDEpZlGv0EZnMeh30X0aEcf39GgEpMORU8X0u1SnXCrdlbr079xZHItj X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi again gang. Thats what AM STEREO was ment for the commen listener like FM STEREO not just a novelty just for a fue. Its to bad the radio makers don"t make AM STEREOs for the masses. There would be more AM STEREO stations on the air insted of POS HD RADIO. Thats why the enineer at WSM AM 650 wont turn back on his AM STEREO and he told me in a e mail that he wont turn on HD RADIO because he said it was a POS.Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:56 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter Hi Jerry I am a AM STEREO fan and what i have herd from the You Tube recordings of WOWO AM 1190 Magnavox AM STEREO from a Realistic TM 152 it work very well for that MC13020 chip. Again i am a AM STEREO fan not a broadcast engineer. Its to bad that we don't have more AM STEREO fans on the AM STEREO Forum. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Yep. If things aren't well matched you can get some funky results. > > And your right. This is more of Magnavox/Belar type system but with a 25 Hz pilot added it sort of works. > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > > > On 12/25/2011 12:32 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > > > Hi Scott: > > > Would some 25V/70V/8-OHM paging system transformers be of use to use for > > > such a project? > > > Have a Blessed Christmas, > > > John > > > > > Nope. The secondaries are hooked as a bridge circuit and need to be > > well matched with split secondaries for it to work properly. > > > > Scott > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Dec 29 05:37:52 2011 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72625 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2011 13:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2011 13:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2011 13:37:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1325165870; bh=IF92jWiydjr/YsEhHHBKkB959hKO2JLp7n4Amh5IJqs=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I6KYdP/+7FzEIIkU/X86XdOQycG7SjNxz/sXvt8kOfQYNlOQj31cI5EYsg6pSJDYz0qfMV4vwzqitmyyLFALfPkmWw4mYI8Ny8gZFynftCkYLsBGAUNRbdu6QELdoN8/ Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 13:37:50 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 13:37:50 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2011 13:37:49 -0000 Date: 29 Dec 2011 13:37:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1325165869.11019.5890.w11@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. 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[24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q5sm50093369yhm.7.2011.12.29.06.01.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:01:26 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:01:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <993B1A69-4A92-4A4A-9D42-CC0D9E858B69@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=v6P4OVyV3Is8xvXnCwsJVVB9-U9lWdn_y9B62jB5C-anRhuggShYkLLIAqKEkA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:56 AM, jim smith wrote: > what i have herd from the You Tube recordings of WOWO AM 1190 Magnavox AM STEREO from a Realistic TM 152 it work very well for that MC13020 chip. Just remember, you was listening to a Motorola C-QUAM Chip "Fooled" into partially decoding the Magnavox AM Stereo Signal. Magnavox AM Stereo sounds even BETTER when listened to on a REAL Magnavox AM Stereo Decoder. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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29 Dec 2011 06:35:01 -0800 PST Message-ID: <3EBFF0FD4D00417584A42B3DA1A23B8E@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <993B1A69-4A92-4A4A-9D42-CC0D9E858B69@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:35:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=-Appgc9kxHKOFG4ibwtoC2uEtF7oGIBEunaJStqZ8JcekBPoOWO5BT3oUG9x0LwoOEYYyj16 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kevin Thats what they where wrigting about in earlyer posts. They where wringhting about TXing the Magnavox system with a 25khz pilot tone in SW mode. Thanks for the reply Kevin. I wish there where a way to tell the masses that there are AM STEREO ressorses on the internet. A lot of poeple have computers on the net and most of them have crapy sounding AM radios. Jim S ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Raper To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:01 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: simple tube type AM stereo transmitter On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:56 AM, jim smith wrote: > what i have herd from the You Tube recordings of WOWO AM 1190 Magnavox AM STEREO from a Realistic TM 152 it work very well for that MC13020 chip. Just remember, you was listening to a Motorola C-QUAM Chip "Fooled" into partially decoding the Magnavox AM Stereo Signal. Magnavox AM Stereo sounds even BETTER when listened to on a REAL Magnavox AM Stereo Decoder. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Dec 29 06:51:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37258 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2011 14:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2011 14:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s36.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.175) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2011 14:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP11 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s36.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:51:25 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP11.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:51:23 -0800 To: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:51:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2011 14:51:23.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[55949C60:01CCC639] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: panasonic multiformat ams sig gen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Y1dxJmUgaGgaVDEU2dQyIr6D8-sUkZhL3VhWjOm9K0JN X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have one of those greek cquam tx's coming. got it in a trade. if i like it, i'm considering putting my VP-8252P up for sale for $600.00 Shipped ConUS. it's in great condition and sounds great. these are even more rare in the USA than the sought after BE AX-10's *IF* and it's a *BIG IF* (yes i am very happy with it) it goes up for sale the price is firm. these tend to go for big bucks on ebay. i think we are all aware of the features on this signal generator. i'm actually on the fence about selling it, but if my price is met would probably do so provided i like the greek transmitter. if not i will probably sell the greek transmitter for few bucks. i would probably sell it for 400-600 (yes i know they are 300 new) because i will mount it in a 1U rack case and build a 5 watt (panaxis circuit) amp for it and add some other pro features (like RF filtered audio and power inputs, convert audio to 600 ohm balanced, well regulated and filtered PSU, sheild the individual dections of it, TX, PSU, Amp) to it. but we will see what becomes of that. if i decide to just sell it stock i'll let it go for $200.00 shipped ConUS. these are just some idea's i'm tossing around, but i am going to get rid of one or the other as i would like either another AM1K or to get a i.AM and external ATU. let me know your thoughts on these. thanks, Robert From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Dec 30 12:50:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: mjgrant@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97355 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2011 20:50:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2011 20:50:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2011 20:50:15 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pBUKoE0V028084 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:50:14 -0500 X-Received: from core-mrb005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.199.145]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 117F0E000085 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:50:14 -0500 (EST) References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35138-STANDARD X-Received: from 67.66.140.23 by webmail-d137.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.27) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:50:13 -0500 Message-Id: <8CE954BC35083E8-14DC-3D43D@webmail-d137.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:50:14 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:399748288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a4efe24065edb X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mjgrant Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ 1630 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=YRzStrJnsURoGVpR38srheuKZqTmW8EBia4h8qGSb_4wPo-BOqo4J6Ea8Q7nRAXK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Ya another peroblem is that radio makers are still makeing crapy sounding radios for the masses on the AM side. Thats another resson why talk radio is still populer on AM for now. My local big news talker KFBK AM 1530 has a FM simocaster 92.5 FM both in HD here neer Sacrcamento Ca. By All Jim Smith KFBK puts 50kW fulltime into a pair of open wire fed full-wave Franklin co-linear masts. It produces the strongest field of any AM station in the United States. Even at the high end of the band, it lays down an urban contour all the way to the Bay Area. Used to be a McClatchey station. Don't know who owns it now. Cheap Channel? Infamy Broadcasting? 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30 Dec 2011 19:08:26 -0800 PST Message-ID: <25C022FEE0944351AA41236F76126D25@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <8CE954BC35083E8-14DC-3D43D@webmail-d137.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:08:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ 1630 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=NTLL9Y-iXlTRvO5XIYB-TZdsRGCyFo4AjWA091BydRYlc_546u6MmjzOoaqjaHFVxYpEvs8P X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike CC owens them and thay are with FOX network. Happy New Years Jim S ----- Original Message ----- From: Mjgrant To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ 1630 Hi Gang Ya another peroblem is that radio makers are still makeing crapy sounding radios for the masses on the AM side. Thats another resson why talk radio is still populer on AM for now. My local big news talker KFBK AM 1530 has a FM simocaster 92.5 FM both in HD here neer Sacrcamento Ca. By All Jim Smith KFBK puts 50kW fulltime into a pair of open wire fed full-wave Franklin co-linear masts. It produces the strongest field of any AM station in the United States. Even at the high end of the band, it lays down an urban contour all the way to the Bay Area. Used to be a McClatchey station. Don't know who owns it now. Cheap Channel? Infamy Broadcasting? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Dec 31 15:01:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48987 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2011 23:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2011 23:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2011 23:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pBVN1LmD010420 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:01:21 -0500 X-Received: from core-mge003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E1D20E00008B for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:01:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41335.72cb3c85.3c30ee40@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:01:20 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:383341664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494eff9440259f X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: WSM AM650 The Legend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=yJpuP7tp9Bm6xNmlbbOPl2w5A_KoZis_06Di_AH4D08YjqSDxb9l X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I have listened to WSM 650 several nights this week and I understand they turned off their C-Quam AM Stereo back in 2000. They have a beautiful nighttime signal here in South Carolina. Since they are the only Class A AM Clear Channel station left with a full-time music format it seems there would be no reason for them to turn off their AM Stereo? From what I have read it shouldn't affect their range. I wonder what would be involved if they decided to run C-Quam AM Stereo again? Supposedly they would still have most of their studio wired for Stereo as well as their STL equipment? I wonder if the technical cost would be prohibitive? Proof of performance? Just wondering what would be involved for a former C-Quam station to turn their AM Stereo back on? 73 - Todd WD4NGG From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 01 00:34:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43617 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2012 08:34:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2012 08:34:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.236.23) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2012 08:34:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2012 08:34:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.121] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2012 08:34:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2012 08:34:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 768482.55654.bm@omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 58371 invoked from network); 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01 Jan 2012 00:34:55 -0800 PST Message-ID: <243D3C26F35A46E88386EFBD19E9A46E@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <41335.72cb3c85.3c30ee40@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:34:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.236.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSM AM650 The Legend X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=VvgPbXW2tvf59TfOcokx2W1tLNCwC-j4Po6gX4fH_xW3uDOKXF5mg2Jet04nFtOZqkcaKgAF X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Todd Like i had mentoin in a erlyer post that i had e mailed the engineer at WSM AM 650 and he wrote me back to me and said do to lack of new C-QuAM radios for the masses thay wont be turning back on there AM STEREO any time soon. He had also worte to me saying that he will not be using HD RADIO ether because of it being a POS.WMNB AM 900 AM STEREO is the only station that i know of that seems to be doing it right. Thay use there web site and online ressorse to permote AM STEREO and thay also mention AM STEREO often over the air. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:01 PM Subject: {AMSF} WSM AM650 The Legend Hi All, I have listened to WSM 650 several nights this week and I understand they turned off their C-Quam AM Stereo back in 2000. They have a beautiful nighttime signal here in South Carolina. Since they are the only Class A AM Clear Channel station left with a full-time music format it seems there would be no reason for them to turn off their AM Stereo? From what I have read it shouldn't affect their range. I wonder what would be involved if they decided to run C-Quam AM Stereo again? Supposedly they would still have most of their studio wired for Stereo as well as their STL equipment? I wonder if the technical cost would be prohibitive? Proof of performance? Just wondering what would be involved for a former C-Quam station to turn their AM Stereo back on? 73 - Todd WD4NGG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Jan 01 10:52:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81479 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2012 18:52:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2012 18:52:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2012 18:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q01IqFFu025659 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:52:15 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgd004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.9]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AFCF9E000081 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:52:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17a40.485a3118.3c32055f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:52:15 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:378622400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94f00ab5f4666 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Having Trouble uploading MP3 files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=-kw_bRWzBNC_6-00IldhfUxYaQfrw3XaQTNjuYYVkV_xp8so_D-3 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I am having trouble uploading some MP3 files to the files section and was wondering if anyone might be able to help me with this? I believe I am following all the directions correctly and after I click "upload" nothing seems to happen. A page comes up that says "This program cannot display the webpage". I am trying to upload an MP3 file that is about 1.5mb in size of some recent reception I have had with a Delco UX1 car radio. Anyone here who might be able to help is welcome to contact me off list if that is best. Happy New Year to all! 73 Todd WD4NGG From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 01 16:27:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 266 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2012 00:27:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2012 00:27:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.223) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2012 00:27:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 00:27:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 00:27:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 00:27:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 189121.57253.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: pO8z2MwVM1mi9RcfUXsaVfi6MXf1MmwWKdvzhYwnxgn7gWN 5AcYCrGiQtSg4z.mZir0wvSO.YSp2wJ1yE5cjU2D5_cLVo.oa0DNmzBhQk0X e_pUBVQjtyukw1L_fQv6qv_X.8NcUiPas25wYB9flST7ienOxbIoTqMuFe4f LaouWxsTU5r5NZSJnbB.GUpAEmeyQAa0u8MWksIU4PsQwlSDN9QgXUI7C7k8 QR9vbNn11ozv5W9q4s2DDWqIrtmsxVHLkWsBNrB2uEdrHjFSst67kECzbIjO FBxOE4HxMtgkyI9K9hCDFTonaKPD5fbj7osKFirogkCu4M3jknYWKew4z4p. .ORTiHTF1zNr4DRXyMB1Zyofto2vJpfmM5Ob97scX209y10wT5bKrLLrsZq9 K4Rf8HfEIUO6g9gMJXqNljvx7OubEsjgOgJHOenkECAW65cc.7unley9QCqi UZi4SGnusGaUzYCGUvNVMkRBFrNRxUuceXS8BSIVrMsUIxgU43NNXK3gq63l pQbZdXkzGHdwt42oC5Kr.p2FIZth1NmCk9gqxZrQmL64z3i3S0myUpDX7Hmc bU65U2fE9SgkuQcSorRcpohkEpNsaLX8Ohf8USilpkg2xLXURRYCkxifBWEQ TeJ5OPODzmXRovw97BXHFBHE3CWy7av7ZEnT.l2DjbRt0kY04RxvnBGdWOVZ RfDkmk9vpodWbAu8f4v9MyWaGlQVsFDl56f920xIkqgK7fPvDuH_MD8kqLYZ aqA3DBPjmQPaEviu.8DwtMpPEJFv44QESS1nZSz5zo05luwKr3MVM6cr20Db L6iYFl6HjtkJuiFTuDXcOLiUDyD86G4fJav340_wzo04grMdqLNhj1qN9.br 1sQa2ZNhAduonXp9HbaZ3ecQ.pfVk02Ya1sr8OS24ZjlxuC3Oo8zUtv9TxUA c1Qq9TyKl9oRL57QLlMZ7T0gXb6MY_p0c9BhjVLwiBnSxdV5QSLUBWdgeqNI apw4W2Qav7iCLzlonoovDQHnVVg3PfwmvtdqHHGp8W4OhkZBs_g4d1mBu2aW 4tt.z.I3taBnQu__ANmmHx36dE6eIDhM2hhPS15kswaZVjys5JdhUGpL0xde ug.i1it0ECfjXxVQgcRbdbDx3244jNlU_hZu6cDyL4lx_AV3POgU8Msn8nnl p5eSHngTFCeoBgKrKRRIW0NBhHrMGMN7Y3tmfPY31ISlPjrc4NnVkohQWEVp xkyjlgoMIBHYC.fvI4gpGR7E0Z5_8Tr3PVu27iDyfZco2VGl7FcSXA93t8qR U3.KE7DJPB2qmQvF40csKyXRps83fJrT1r21_7xTQ9waMgCiZCBGdBGRhN9o hhkTpqrJn5Mcf4gB5zQadUkGgUDt0Jx.qM4c5BKgmnLjX61Lx8vTkpJQN3Xz kXhLyw.wOjWGwlCDg_wHIcg4oxwe.otC3alXMmAndpNvtgWJUESZFDRt26f0 o6dz7I62cdAnZP0dycK2eCWaX7efBhAbe2Of0kjtGbsEQBqCoSB01YyAj3lr wX7TC3Ho_dKETwbsvn8tH44W5uZ4wCOME2c5MGQkVw0_Nojf_KNL56sny4LY aVPwdvxRx5WvTz8sWfUnvod9jPfmGEzEO7Gt7NskVahsVS.p.EzKmnbM8UWH wKa4oJVUQYrN.sTLWGaAJ2X_45L7ZldBuSbEnrPP_bOfGrTYEsmVoENuHzaC PGmNr5Oa1UYkFKhLtZomDSlBuN4NS.7lNaDzDxMVSaRg5YqZKakukZRdjbas e9Acn8HuZbfTTPprh8yOsToeD0dMqE4R4GDafcucPJYlOU456_glfUYz_Ug3 Z6HeA6rOOAzHecwFotj_Yy_WUNDD4uqA3PRRcXbPWJU80t0KoTEKB7.kdA3Q kXjicpxbS58l6tEyTNPy99ARaxLYENJE2AlNX00JcB.Lblfxar2J5bExKN.x Mvhc.rV9nrGhZD4qSwQpfgFkkHFweNR809.piU25h1yQfB.l1hAxKIpwzOgF dJHvVttBDXExWtpRMHakjxo.MQ5egotFoG5a198iyhbJ_pPNNBXqDNhUngWR etTDXCiOHZsgTTTeUU72yl0OvA9QRlWfrXBEaN6oPL.J7qfNLxRCNEXbitjD 45UWfpIrdEpDT_n1oUcwjTv.BuBmyhnVDnU0kA3b42lBc70h.FFfGtYeHqoD xh0Al99hshv.PONOpqXMPa_u.uuhBc5WAzrse3DnXCgZX0pRF06foK9n9BK. 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At www.amstereo.s5.com . At the top right side of the page there there is a FEEDBACK botton try there. And leave your e-mail address there also. I hope this helps you. Jim Smith Happy New Year ALL ----- Original Message ----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} Having Trouble uploading MP3 files Hi All, I am having trouble uploading some MP3 files to the files section and was wondering if anyone might be able to help me with this? I believe I am following all the directions correctly and after I click "upload" nothing seems to happen. A page comes up that says "This program cannot display the webpage". I am trying to upload an MP3 file that is about 1.5mb in size of some recent reception I have had with a Delco UX1 car radio. Anyone here who might be able to help is welcome to contact me off list if that is best. Happy New Year to all! 73 Todd WD4NGG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alinton@iol.ie Mon Jan 02 11:22:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33943 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2012 19:22:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2012 19:22:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO totalbroadcast.net) (89.101.172.6) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2012 19:22:30 -0000 X-Received: from Spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.73) ID MO000E47; 2 Jan 2012 19:22:30 -0000 X-Received: from spooler by mail.totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.73); 2 Jan 2012 19:22:27 -0000 X-CLAMWALL: Passed through antiviral test by ClamWall 1.4.0.96 on mail.totalbroadcast.net (941) X-Received: from allaptop (192.168.2.210) by mail.totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.73) with ESMTP ID MG000E46; 2 Jan 2012 19:22:14 -0000 To: References: <17a40.485a3118.3c32055f@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:22:12 -0000 Message-ID: <02cb01ccc983$d4454530$7ccfcf90$@ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AczI6tzY6gn+SmC5QZCU3dC+XiEa6wAmL3Fw Content-Language: en-ie X-Originating-IP: 89.101.172.6 From: "Andy IOL" Subject: AM Stereo on air in Ireland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314; y=uEgQB42N1MSeV6LWm0i84jEmoxIT8LNJYXks-hLsz5Jq9vB1uwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI all, AM Stereo is back on air in Ireland. Zenith Classic Rock is an internet station which gets a temporary OTA licence every year. The station is on FM, DAB (digital radio) and 1584 kHz AM Stereo. Andy From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jim smith Sent: 02 January 2012 00:27 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Having Trouble uploading MP3 files Hi Todd You mite try getting in contact with Kevin T. At www.amstereo.s5.com . At the top right side of the page there there is a FEEDBACK botton try there. And leave your e-mail address there also. I hope this helps you. Jim Smith Happy New Year ALL ----- Original Message ----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} Having Trouble uploading MP3 files Hi All, I am having trouble uploading some MP3 files to the files section and was wondering if anyone might be able to help me with this? I believe I am following all the directions correctly and after I click "upload" nothing seems to happen. A page comes up that says "This program cannot display the webpage". I am trying to upload an MP3 file that is about 1.5mb in size of some recent reception I have had with a Delco UX1 car radio. Anyone here who might be able to help is welcome to contact me off list if that is best. Happy New Year to all! 73 Todd WD4NGG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6015 (20110404) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 02 20:42:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67926 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 04:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 04:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm31-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.239.14) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 04:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm31.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2012 04:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.253] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2012 04:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1066.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2012 04:42:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 448363.89996.bm@omp1066.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 21390 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2012 04:42:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Fcrc0JQVM1knI54pXM74eIDk2GS5Ikicx.kzNaBaYvkiybL mZF6plw_rX7RbnSHDfm5vdbSfk2PNaJhL67slYx3zRP9aOH2SXI6UgGAnfni Dm.1pmAu1Spfr5m3jnF7xMMDyZXfdSJvlA48lJ_VQJk3NLEZWl7IlKIeMiMw lDH4kQti5VqXLK32oWt5WDFvuRJLy.KdIBwyp5sruKndowriD2oHa9jb4x9z yrMUlC0VU.cm6X2Ddds.ow_W6g4hQqY6Yk6ySFggccreTEk0TAEZxXP5IM_W kFCAYSetKBLXN4jGeRKryfUJ3lz6gDdC_S13AUPYvTW_6XgSsUKUJWz7gaVk ThXPNwsPW3UuLVMgz8OHgeIigmPpMGHc7a011CPxGAMEq9iNCDpucPeVDvJE EDf4II8.79o1LriiWrkhY.bu6MgYle0o7kXAsqcPURssi7CIk8IV1x1MOj2p OYbp7MphDqbcPhw-- X-Received: from [72.241.161.186] by web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:42:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1325565741.15689.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:42:21 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 72.30.239.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: John Subject: Fw: Stereo 9100B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=kHfMBOwxLgnYkyFTh8SNAEtmjBp6Kgy6ze1qM9muDGMWHkR3NWlXXFU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guys, found one, but too rich for my blood - 9100B with stereo card. I can = pass along his phone number, etc if anyone is interested. John --- On Mon, 1/2/12, Nick Straka=A0wrote: Date: Monday, January 2, 2012, 9:58 PM Hi, I may have a 9100B with the stereo card available from a client in a couple= of weeks.=A0 I recapped it a couple months ago and it's been doing backup = service to the 9200 V3.=A0 If the Omnia is added as planned, the 9100 will = be for sale. If available (I will let you know as soon as I do) the price will be $2,400= .00. Please let me know if you're interested. Thanks, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Jan 02 22:46:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5475 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 06:46:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 06:46:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.150) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 06:46:32 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP112 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:46:31 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP112.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:46:30 -0800 To: References: <1325565741.15689.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:46:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2012 06:46:30.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CA28090:01CCC9E3] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=oTf2fhm2FvZG6ulA-qsqRvdqFXEP9OOYt69e7sbyWufV X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd it's hard to believe at almost 30 y/o these things are still so expensive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:42 PM Subject: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B Guys, found one, but too rich for my blood - 9100B with stereo card. I can pass along his phone number, etc if anyone is interested. John --- On Mon, 1/2/12, Nick Straka wrote: Date: Monday, January 2, 2012, 9:58 PM Hi, I may have a 9100B with the stereo card available from a client in a couple of weeks. I recapped it a couple months ago and it's been doing backup service to the 9200 V3. If the Omnia is added as planned, the 9100 will be for sale. If available (I will let you know as soon as I do) the price will be $2,400.00. Please let me know if you're interested. Thanks, Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jan 03 08:15:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92596 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 16:15:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 16:15:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f180.google.com) (209.85.216.180) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 16:15:50 -0000 X-Received: by qcse1 with SMTP id e1so10826202qcs.11 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:15:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.229.137.19 with SMTP id u19mr1796141qct.47.1325607350373; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:15:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dh10sm100729474qab.19.2012.01.03.08.15.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:15:47 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:15:44 -0500 Message-Id: References: <1325565741.15689.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=5cFkO63VJ5rwVx83Z3y38yd6BbClUQqjeIaeC8mk7Dv_XOrMbFHlaOeRWt5XRw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 3, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > it's hard to believe at almost 30 y/o these things are still so expensive. The Optimod 9100b went out of Production in 1997, so it could be as new as 15 Years old... I agree that is is CRAZY what prices this Obsolete Equipment is bringing. Even the 1978 Vintage Optimod 9000 that you can't get parts for is bringing these crazy prices. Other Electronics that are 10 Years old are worthless junk, so why are Audio Processors any different???? 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jan 03 08:27:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25538 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 16:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 16:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s32.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.171) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 16:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP158 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s32.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:27:36 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP158.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:27:34 -0800 To: References: <1325565741.15689.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:27:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2012 16:27:34.0987 (UTC) FILETIME=[998879B0:01CCCA34] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ElTLJQ5pRd_wsRmo9LoVJpOqI-DZS1ihW7Jm_5A4-0Oe X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd their FM brothers go for under 1000. seen 8100's for under 1k and 8000a's routinely go for 300-600. i think these prices are more reasonable. ebay has thrown reasonable pricing out the window because they can toss it on ebay and immediately have an international audience. i have seen 9100's sell for up to 5k on there. ridiculouse if you ask me. yet my am stereo exciters when i try to sell them which are more far and few between then 9100's i can't even get 600.00 shipped for go figure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Raper" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > >> it's hard to believe at almost 30 y/o these things are still so >> expensive. > > The Optimod 9100b went out of Production in 1997, so it could be as new as > 15 Years old... > > I agree that is is CRAZY what prices this Obsolete Equipment is bringing. > > Even the 1978 Vintage Optimod 9000 that you can't get parts for is > bringing these crazy prices. > > Other Electronics that are 10 Years old are worthless junk, so why are > Audio Processors any different???? > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jan 03 08:44:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75528 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 16:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 16:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.213.170) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 16:44:31 -0000 X-Received: by yenl6 with SMTP id l6so8066060yen.15 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:44:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.128.242 with SMTP id f78mr69581634yhi.7.1325609069846; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:44:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q5sm75195158yhm.7.2012.01.03.08.44.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:44:28 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:44:25 -0500 Message-Id: <0DCB374C-1504-4A42-9B90-609048710BA3@gmail.com> References: <1325565741.15689.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Pe4QA7qU4B5Enp4t7b2spnK8_yMp9_rLsfKhVr948ihRBrGRB0SzKdhYdu9uQw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > yet my am stereo > exciters when i try to sell them which are more far and few between then > 9100's i can't even get 600.00 shipped for go figure And you don't know how much I BEGGED the bean counters at my stations to let me buy one of 'em. Yea, my EWTN feed from the Bird is Mono and sounds pretty crappy most of the time, but our Locally Produced Masses we Broadcast one some Sundays sound AMAZING. What an Awful sin it is to crush them in our CRL Distortion boxes and broadcast 'em over the Mono AM Signal... 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jan 03 08:55:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53795 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 16:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 16:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.155) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 16:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP139 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:55:28 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP139.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:55:27 -0800 To: References: <1325565741.15689.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0DCB374C-1504-4A42-9B90-609048710BA3@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:55:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2012 16:55:27.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E3343D0:01CCCA38] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ZjL5_5HNINy1bH49r3-SX2sNxYyyh1JBbbZURCxGQWc8 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd unfortunately all my various spares are gone now. i have one ax10 left and i wont part with it. i will as listed in another post be parting with either my Aspisys or my panasonic depending on which i like better. the deciding factor will be whether the greek tx is the 400mW or 100mW. if it's 100mW choice will be easy. the greek job will go bye bye. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Raper" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:44 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > >> yet my am stereo >> exciters when i try to sell them which are more far and few between then >> 9100's i can't even get 600.00 shipped for go figure > > And you don't know how much I BEGGED the bean counters at my stations to > let me buy one of 'em. > > Yea, my EWTN feed from the Bird is Mono and sounds pretty crappy most of > the time, but our Locally Produced Masses we Broadcast one some Sundays > sound AMAZING. What an Awful sin it is to crush them in our CRL Distortion > boxes and broadcast 'em over the Mono AM Signal... > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jan 03 08:59:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59875 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 16:59:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 16:59:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.173) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 16:59:19 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP180 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:59:19 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP180.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:59:17 -0800 To: References: <1325565741.15689.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0DCB374C-1504-4A42-9B90-609048710BA3@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:59:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2012 16:59:17.0926 (UTC) FILETIME=[07C5EC60:01CCCA39] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=VTjQSDFwNDpbx2R7ioNEdN08rB6gvlWKD2XWajTrfSBq X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i'm starting a lease on my storage unit today near me here. i will soon have all my stuff moved closer to here. i will be doing inventory and pricing much of it. i know for fact that there are lpb and mccurdy audio board modules in there for starters. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Raper" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:44 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > >> yet my am stereo >> exciters when i try to sell them which are more far and few between then >> 9100's i can't even get 600.00 shipped for go figure > > And you don't know how much I BEGGED the bean counters at my stations to > let me buy one of 'em. > > Yea, my EWTN feed from the Bird is Mono and sounds pretty crappy most of > the time, but our Locally Produced Masses we Broadcast one some Sundays > sound AMAZING. What an Awful sin it is to crush them in our CRL Distortion > boxes and broadcast 'em over the Mono AM Signal... > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jan 03 09:06:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40771 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 17:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 17:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f49.google.com) (209.85.213.49) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 17:06:22 -0000 X-Received: by yhpp34 with SMTP id p34so11343682yhp.8 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:06:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.124.15 with SMTP id w15mr68384427yhh.120.1325610381052; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:06:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 31sm18592977ant.14.2012.01.03.09.06.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:06:18 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:06:11 -0500 Message-Id: <50AD4F50-A0D0-4EB2-B95A-22A6660FFD5F@gmail.com> References: <1325565741.15689.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0DCB374C-1504-4A42-9B90-609048710BA3@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=b_ZAoi9e4uC20BOsK7FLgSQdP970ymat6H0aMKdNInlHyJnYGyAGwmvoGHW1wQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > i know for fact that there are lpb and mccurdy audio board modules in there > for starters. Do you know if there are any complete boards? 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jan 03 09:08:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84147 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 17:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 17:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.140) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 17:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP214 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:08:31 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP214.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:08:30 -0800 To: References: <1325565741.15689.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0DCB374C-1504-4A42-9B90-609048710BA3@gmail.com> <50AD4F50-A0D0-4EB2-B95A-22A6660FFD5F@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:08:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2012 17:08:30.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[5149D990:01CCCA3A] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=yfmN1nw6uKj8ZoxBiioIRJ_pgXXtmiNz8ZdfKAujFyiH X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd no complete consoles just the modules ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Raper" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:06 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > >> i know for fact that there are lpb and mccurdy audio board modules in >> there >> for starters. > > Do you know if there are any complete boards? > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jan 03 09:08:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40596 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 17:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 17:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f48.google.com) (209.85.216.48) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 17:08:41 -0000 X-Received: by qadc16 with SMTP id c16so12189831qad.14 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:08:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.116.211 with SMTP id n19mr21390592qaq.67.1325610521246; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:08:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dj9sm100950827qab.18.2012.01.03.09.08.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:08:39 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:08:36 -0500 Message-Id: <569A7DEE-F7DB-4D9B-A2D0-2CFE957B8C52@gmail.com> References: <1325565741.15689.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0DCB374C-1504-4A42-9B90-609048710BA3@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=C_rOixyh3Cieuu2JOVXKMDRhmpl2xkf0gKKWqZHNYK5Ib2mNyrC31BuKB2CyRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > i will as listed in another post be parting with either > my Aspisys or my panasonic depending on which i like better Please do let me know on that one. IF my Budget allows, I would love to have one or the other for my personal use. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jan 03 09:15:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94600 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 17:15:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 17:15:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f173.google.com) (209.85.160.173) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 17:15:15 -0000 X-Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so5773827ghb.32 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:15:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.40.17 with SMTP id s17mr20769733anj.54.1325610915465; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:15:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j16sm4046157anm.9.2012.01.03.09.15.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:15:12 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:15:10 -0500 Message-Id: <5FC9DB6B-6BAC-41F3-BF58-B9CB814D931A@gmail.com> References: <1325565741.15689.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0DCB374C-1504-4A42-9B90-609048710BA3@gmail.com> <50AD4F50-A0D0-4EB2-B95A-22A6660FFD5F@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Stereo 9100B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=zZ1ppI4amosYHFv2mqBV9IyyKtMEmo_JoALbP1_7VsknYVKIzdhd4W9aCVLmhA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > no complete consoles just the modules Well RATs, I need 3 complete consoles. 2 for WCKI and 1 for WLTQ. GONE are the days in Commercial Radio where the GM would tell me "We Gotta Spend X Dollars in Engineering by the end of the Year. What can we replace or Upgrade to do that?". Now I am at a near Zero budget Catholic Station, so I gotta Beg for EVERYTHING. I have to Home-Brew as much as I can, and Beg for other station's junk for the rest... 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 03 10:02:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45927 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 18:02:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 18:02:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.171) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 18:02:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2012 18:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2012 18:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2012 18:02:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:02:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Delco AM Stereo C-QUAM Radio Codes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=iucHI0xgOUsEwQq8wiYatH_UM3mQNAyt8ULqF709QJCeOZw0-w68tb0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Found this is my archives;=20 In 1991, GM Delco CQUAM AM stereo radios were available with the following = 'order codes': UX1 UT8 UT4 U1E UTQ And Audiovox offered the GMA-DQA unit. Still, more AM Stereo was offered by Delco in 1991 than HD is offered today= . 73's John From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 03 12:31:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84242 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 20:31:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2012 20:31:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.58) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 20:31:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2012 20:31:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2012 20:31:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2012 20:31:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:31:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17a40.485a3118.3c32055f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: Having Trouble uploading MP3 files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=2JncBPQyqCSQZ1TDIDZc6iTCvFDkM53VnhD_aoQimMs7g9UhtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The Files section was getting close to full, so I deleted some old files to= make more room. Kevin --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > Hi All, > I am having trouble uploading some MP3 files to the files section=20 > and was wondering if anyone might be able to help me with this? >=20 > I believe I am following all the directions correctly and after I click > "upload" nothing seems to happen. A page comes up that says > "This program cannot display the webpage". I am trying to=20 > upload an MP3 file that is about 1.5mb in size of some recent=20 > reception I have had with a Delco UX1 car radio. >=20 > Anyone here who might be able to help is welcome to contact > me off list if that is best. Happy New Year to all! >=20 > 73 Todd WD4NGG From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jan 04 08:34:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83476 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2012 16:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2012 16:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc1-s12.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.116.23) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 16:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP118 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s12.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:34:11 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP118.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:34:10 -0800 To: , Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:34:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2012 16:34:10.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF942F90:01CCCAFE] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.116.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Cunningham Tx for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=LngITvcMxtAo7YjYb-8ipTITwc0ZjvWQAodkPvSGVNHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have a cunningham tx needs to be recapped. has spare tube, and manual. pic's (pubic link) https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.100981023344869.1476.100002989142408&type=1&l=a8123b2665 asking $225.00 pluss shipping. part 73 accepted Payal, Check (must Clear), USPS Money Order From themountain1061@yahoo.com Wed Jan 04 08:41:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: themountain1061@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43631 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2012 16:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2012 16:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 16:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2012 16:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2012 16:41:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:41:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.61.188.248 From: "hammar" Subject: harris gates bc 1g X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123145763; y=SDZ5p-UAnEhDlIcJdIYqt5_DBMjm5M4COgRZvxyWNVlvy3UoKpz4BxN3 X-Yahoo-Profile: themountain1061 i have a harris gates bc 1g transmitter for sale.It works and has plenty of= spare tubes as well.It is on 960 khz.would make a great spare.located in A= ltro Ky.call 606-398-2488 and ask for Jody Ritchie.will take BO.has to be p= icked up.=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Jan 04 09:00:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92380 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2012 17:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2012 17:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f177.google.com) (209.85.216.177) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 17:00:43 -0000 X-Received: by qcsc1 with SMTP id c1so11136342qcs.22 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:00:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.186.130 with SMTP id cs2mr27483047qab.82.1325696443197; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:00:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gw5sm80479745qab.11.2012.01.04.09.00.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:00:41 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:00:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <90EE2A24-60D7-4D2D-B7DD-49CFEFAAF187@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} harris gates bc 1g X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=BW5BnynV1CoCJpaCB7p1bPVf8zTQZp_bEsRRdnGYd6cB_gSbgm4c2vWGKV9vMA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:41 AM, hammar wrote: > i have a harris gates bc 1g transmitter for sale.It works and has plenty of spare tubes as well.It is on 960 khz.would make a great spare.located in Altro Ky Wow I wish I was a bit closer, I would come and get it. I have a Gates BC-500H with the 1 KW Upgrade kit in it on 160 Meters. The BC-1G is one of the best sounding Plate Modulated transmitters out there. They also make good C-QUAM Conversions, just don't crank up the Modulation Density too much or you will kill the 833As. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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(VPS 120104-1, 01/04/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} harris gates bc 1g X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=RmqWNHoGGf7NRgiE3-jiGJXrC3RaucG3m0mhgkYW24l4ozwa0hDn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/4/2012 11:00 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > The BC-1G is one of the best sounding Plate Modulated transmitters out > there. They also make good C-QUAM Conversions, just don't crank up the > Modulation Density too much or you will kill the 833As. I've heard the modulation iron gets to hot and smokes. BTW- are you still interested in those G-2 caps? 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Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:01:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1325743316.3480.YahooMailClassic@web161506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:01:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4F04CACF.40400@usfamily.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 72.30.239.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: jody ritchie Subject: Re: {AMSF} harris gates bc 1g X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123145763; y=hKb1enHS8-lwHxpnhmEcAfI4hRlY2w0wpf6AOPhfDFKmWIaChBf8JK6p X-Yahoo-Profile: themountain1061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes i am give me some more time to get the money for them.the bc 1g is a gr= eat transmitter i have had very good luck with them. --- On Wed, 1/4/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} harris gates bc 1g To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 4, 2012, 4:55 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 1/4/2012 11:00 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > The BC-1G is one of the best sounding Plate Modulated transmitters out > there. They also make good C-QUAM Conversions, just don't crank up the > Modulation Density too much or you will kill the 833As. I've heard the modulation iron gets to hot and smokes. BTW- are you=20 still interested in those G-2 caps? Scott Todd =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jan 04 22:13:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74024 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2012 06:13:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2012 06:13:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.164) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2012 06:13:02 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP193 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:13:01 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP193.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:12:59 -0800 To: References: <1325743316.3480.YahooMailClassic@web161506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:13:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2012 06:12:59.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[12F634D0:01CCCB71] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} harris gates bc 1g X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=z2p-0ondca5znWrPnYpoSi2jBfktBAEAmLMU-9OkkwOM X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd quote=jody richie= "yes i am give me some more time to get the money for them" hahahahaha now that sounds familiar :-) On 1/4/2012 11:00 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > The BC-1G is one of the best sounding Plate Modulated transmitters out > there. They also make good C-QUAM Conversions, just don't crank up the > Modulation Density too much or you will kill the 833As. I've heard the modulation iron gets to hot and smokes. BTW- are you still interested in those G-2 caps? Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jan 05 02:56:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95015 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2012 10:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2012 10:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f172.google.com) (209.85.160.172) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2012 10:56:16 -0000 X-Received: by ghbg18 with SMTP id g18so125646ghb.3 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 02:56:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.153.226 with SMTP id f62mr761864yhk.62.1325760975801; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 02:56:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e66sm80188491yhk.6.2012.01.05.02.56.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 02:56:14 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 05:56:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4F04CACF.40400@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <90EE2A24-60D7-4D2D-B7DD-49CFEFAAF187@gmail.com> <4F04CACF.40400@usfamily.net> Message-Id: <6D4389B3-F751-40AC-B28B-244C695CB0C1@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} harris gates bc 1g X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=irqWPM1KJYLKWRKuw5F60ZGHG2qkQSZAElpf854MySs7pOS04ShybXxCXGD2WQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:55 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > I've heard the modulation iron gets to hot and smokes. That depends on the Mod Transformer your transmitter has. I had one with an After-Market Transformer that would CRANK. It would just "hang" the Mod Monitor, but it blew Ion Holes in the plates of the Modulator Tubes in just a few Days! LOL > BTW- are you > still interested in those G-2 caps? Yup, Off List note sent! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jan 05 03:01:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86816 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2012 11:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2012 11:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f169.google.com) (209.85.161.169) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2012 11:01:28 -0000 X-Received: by ggni2 with SMTP id i2so151544ggn.14 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:01:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.207.1 with SMTP id j1mr719008anq.39.1325761288189; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:01:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o9sm81177527yhk.20.2012.01.05.03.01.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:01:26 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 06:01:24 -0500 Message-Id: <8DA6FD9B-02F3-4021-ACBF-DDDD5E493DDA@gmail.com> References: <1325743316.3480.YahooMailClassic@web161506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} harris gates bc 1g X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=YY9P7TE2lVVrHOg4kOtG-ezI6LjnUK6VkKr1_Vvy9dfeROmB41U6vTRxb4h4SA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:13 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > hahahahaha > > now that sounds familiar :-) In the world of a Rotten Obummer Economy, those of us who are Lucky enough to still have a Job at all in the Radio Biz are not making anywhere near the Money we were just a few Years ago. I know of a LOT of GOOD DJs and PDs that just said "Screw It" and quit. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Jan 10 18:59:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70761 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2012 02:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2012 02:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com) (209.85.215.42) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2012 02:59:16 -0000 X-Received: by lahl5 with SMTP id l5so104482lah.1 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:59:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.30.69 with SMTP id q5mr4920378lbh.2.1326250755543; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:59:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.60.66 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:59:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:59:15 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=GvSGqRsQTP8LV0SoRBCWZSbQYMDv5jpUgbwfjF6iGUy7JWos X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jota, I just managed to listen to this file through Sodira Software Defined Radio. It decodes quite well in CQuAM. You can also listen to the Upper Sideband only or the Lower Sideband only. How was this file originally generated? Dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 21:17:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91416 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2012 05:17:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2012 05:17:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2012 05:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2012 05:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2012 05:17:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:17:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.71 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=LeTa3ZSPB_aZcr6w16I5gpjlxXcFqyF4naAiRqCITVXPzWigWg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Daniel!!! It isn't a secret: you need to use some audio editing software with some "e= xtra" skills (specifically: modulation option). I used ADOBE AUDITION 1.5. 1) You have to record the stereo audio (obviously). 2) You have to apply the FFT filtering to up the carrier frecuency you're c= hosing (I used 10 KHZ as the center carrier frecuency so I filtered to 10 K= HZ as the audio upper boundary). 3) You have to create the typical stereo matrix signal: one channel with th= e L+R sum and the other with the L-R difference. 4) Then, you have to change the phase of the L-R signal into -90 degrees. 5) Then, you have to generate a 10 KHZ pure sinusoidal signal (the carrier)= and modulate it with the L+R signal ONLY into the channel you are using to= the L+R sum (I used the normal Left channel to this). 6) You have to generate another 10 KHZ pure sinusoidal signal but 90 degree= s phased in comparison with the before signal and modulate it with the -90 = degrees L-R signal ONLY in the channel you are using with the L-R differenc= e (I used the normal Right channel to this). 7) One word about the "modulation" process: the Adobe Audition standard mod= ulation option generates a Double SideBand Suppressed Carrier signal. It is= the same as you could get from any standard balanced modulator. I think it= is the best way to the process. 8) Now, you have the two basic components of the AM Independent SideBand St= ereo system. You just have to join it into one only signal (Mono convertion= ) and... VIOLA!!! AM Stereo!!! OK, I know it is a very long and hard to "catch" process, but it is real an= d a very good AM ISB Stereo signal. I guess there must be some more simple and easy way to get it, but I don't = know that magic solution. Sorry, it is my limited and old neurons issue. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope and blessings. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hi Jota, >=20 > I just managed to listen to this file through Sodira Software Defined > Radio. It decodes quite well in CQuAM. >=20 > You can also listen to the Upper Sideband only or the Lower Sideband only= . >=20 > How was this file originally generated? >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Jan 10 22:02:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53370 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2012 06:02:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2012 06:02:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com) (209.85.215.46) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2012 06:02:47 -0000 X-Received: by lago2 with SMTP id o2so123587lag.33 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:02:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.105.113 with SMTP id gl17mr9903311lab.25.1326261766298; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:02:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.60.66 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:02:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:02:46 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=YvYBEVt0Rok-H9QJfvL9Vun92AkSAU2LsFn2FaDPh41Z91F_ X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Jota, that's a very good description. I've been playing with Audacity doing the same sort of thing for C-Quam, just checking that I have the formula right :) For step 4 (phase shift the L-R 90 degrees), did you use a Hilbert transform? Cheers, Dan On 11 January 2012 13:17, Jota wrote: > ** > > > Hi, Daniel!!! > > It isn't a secret: you need to use some audio editing software with some > "extra" skills (specifically: modulation option). > > I used ADOBE AUDITION 1.5. > > 1) You have to record the stereo audio (obviously). > > 2) You have to apply the FFT filtering to up the carrier frecuency you're > chosing (I used 10 KHZ as the center carrier frecuency so I filtered to 1= 0 > KHZ as the audio upper boundary). > > 3) You have to create the typical stereo matrix signal: one channel with > the L+R sum and the other with the L-R difference. > > 4) Then, you have to change the phase of the L-R signal into -90 degrees. > > 5) Then, you have to generate a 10 KHZ pure sinusoidal signal (the > carrier) and modulate it with the L+R signal ONLY into the channel you ar= e > using to the L+R sum (I used the normal Left channel to this). > > 6) You have to generate another 10 KHZ pure sinusoidal signal but 90 > degrees phased in comparison with the before signal and modulate it with > the -90 degrees L-R signal ONLY in the channel you are using with the L-R > difference (I used the normal Right channel to this). > > 7) One word about the "modulation" process: the Adobe Audition standard > modulation option generates a Double SideBand Suppressed Carrier signal. = It > is the same as you could get from any standard balanced modulator. I thin= k > it is the best way to the process. > > 8) Now, you have the two basic components of the AM Independent SideBand > Stereo system. You just have to join it into one only signal (Mono > convertion) and... VIOLA!!! AM Stereo!!! > > OK, I know it is a very long and hard to "catch" process, but it is real > and a very good AM ISB Stereo signal. > > I guess there must be some more simple and easy way to get it, but I don'= t > know that magic solution. Sorry, it is my limited and old neurons issue. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope and blessings. > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli > wrote: > > > > Hi Jota, > > > > I just managed to listen to this file through Sodira Software Defined > > Radio. It decodes quite well in CQuAM. > > > > You can also listen to the Upper Sideband only or the Lower Sideband > only. > > > > How was this file originally generated? > > > > Dan > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 09:39:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64893 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2012 17:39:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2012 17:39:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.144) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2012 17:39:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2012 17:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2012 17:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2012 17:39:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:39:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.167 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3kWucB4OEzltjyt5isdCOPTEvA_vsbgakkc-Pg3OzPXelmaQ4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Dan!!! Your question is a very good question but I don't have any clue which way A= dobe Audition use to change the signal phase. I just use the Effects Menu, = option Phase, but I insist I don't have any clue about how does it work. Whatever, I forgot some issue: 1) With the description I wrote, you just get an Independent SideBand Suppr= essed Carrier signal (because, remember, the Adobe Audition Modulation opti= on gives a DSBSC signal). So... you have to re-insert a 10 KHZ carrier (you= can do it from the Generate Menu, option Tone). Unfortunately, there isn't= a general rule about the audio and carrier levels (to get a full 100% AM s= ignal). Sorry, you will have to experiment up to get the desired signal). 2) Because my knowledge limitations, I used +-90 degrees phasing to get the= full process, but the original Kahn ISB AM Stereo uses +- 45 degrees phasi= ng. I tested it but the final results weren't full satisfactory (you can se= e a visual sidebands poor separation as well). I don't know if it is becaus= e some Adobe Audition phasing limitation and/or because the 45 degrees valu= e isn't the appropiate value (I guess it is because some my old neurons iss= ue). 3) I didn't use any kind of Pilot signal because I don't know how to insert= it (into the C-QUAM system it is inserted into the L-R signal, but if we d= o it the same here, we will destroy the pilot as well) because added any ki= nd of extra issue. Also, I'm not sure if the original Kahn system used a Pi= lot as well (it is not necessary any kind of pilot at both ISB or C-QUAM be= cause, against the FM Stereo process, a pilot here is only to light the tun= er stereo light, not to get something from the process itself). And... 4) Time ago I wrote to the Adobe programming staff about if the last versio= n (Adobe Audition 3.5) has something new about the modulation process itsel= f and... I never got any answer from them. Hahahahaha!!! So, I don't know i= f with the last version we would get some improvement about this issue. The only one good question I have into my mind (believe it or not, there st= ill are some living neurons into my brain) is about if someone would use a = full software modulation generation stage (like SoDiRa) to get a full C-QUA= M or ISB AM Stereo, the digital process... Does it add some extra delay tim= e on the last audio signal in comparison with the original audio? I'm talki= ng about a human hearing system noticeable delay. The question is intended because we know IBOC could to take up to 12 second= s (or more) and it is a very annoying thing to hear the typical conversatio= n between the station studio speaker and someone at some external place or = telephone line: "Hi, fellow, How are you?... (aeternal time)... Hi, I'm fine. It is so bad!= !! Also, any C-QUAM and/or ISB AM Stereo "normal" Exciter is... an expensive d= evice. Maybe, just maybe, with software we could get... a more cheap device= ? ??? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL, FELLOWS!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Thanks Jota, that's a very good description. I've been playing with > Audacity doing the same sort of thing for C-Quam, just checking that I ha= ve > the formula right :) For step 4 (phase shift the L-R 90 degrees), did you > use a Hilbert transform? >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Dan >=20 > On 11 January 2012 13:17, Jota wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Hi, Daniel!!! > > > > It isn't a secret: you need to use some audio editing software with som= e > > "extra" skills (specifically: modulation option). > > > > I used ADOBE AUDITION 1.5. > > > > 1) You have to record the stereo audio (obviously). > > > > 2) You have to apply the FFT filtering to up the carrier frecuency you'= re > > chosing (I used 10 KHZ as the center carrier frecuency so I filtered to= 10 > > KHZ as the audio upper boundary). > > > > 3) You have to create the typical stereo matrix signal: one channel wit= h > > the L+R sum and the other with the L-R difference. > > > > 4) Then, you have to change the phase of the L-R signal into -90 degree= s. > > > > 5) Then, you have to generate a 10 KHZ pure sinusoidal signal (the > > carrier) and modulate it with the L+R signal ONLY into the channel you = are > > using to the L+R sum (I used the normal Left channel to this). > > > > 6) You have to generate another 10 KHZ pure sinusoidal signal but 90 > > degrees phased in comparison with the before signal and modulate it wit= h > > the -90 degrees L-R signal ONLY in the channel you are using with the L= -R > > difference (I used the normal Right channel to this). > > > > 7) One word about the "modulation" process: the Adobe Audition standard > > modulation option generates a Double SideBand Suppressed Carrier signal= . It > > is the same as you could get from any standard balanced modulator. I th= ink > > it is the best way to the process. > > > > 8) Now, you have the two basic components of the AM Independent SideBan= d > > Stereo system. You just have to join it into one only signal (Mono > > convertion) and... VIOLA!!! AM Stereo!!! > > > > OK, I know it is a very long and hard to "catch" process, but it is rea= l > > and a very good AM ISB Stereo signal. > > > > I guess there must be some more simple and easy way to get it, but I do= n't > > know that magic solution. Sorry, it is my limited and old neurons issue= . > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope and blessings. > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jota, > > > > > > I just managed to listen to this file through Sodira Software Defined > > > Radio. It decodes quite well in CQuAM. > > > > > > You can also listen to the Upper Sideband only or the Lower Sideband > > only. > > > > > > How was this file originally generated? > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 10:18:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36537 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2012 18:18:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2012 18:18:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2012 18:18:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2012 18:18:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2012 18:18:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:18:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=iE5wcVXE0dyvbKu0yDs7tImm0vvqOqCH-xFFeKAxlAgtrDz8rbrJ0JA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio So was the transformed signal actually transmitted thru the air and decoded= on a true AM Stereo radio (or S.D.R.)?? I must have missed how the audio was recovered. 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(VPS 120111-1, 01/11/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=aFUeFxnU6yIvwRNJn-qzNIpvdyR1SWZXWUtxs1JdDJ8COqSIwZv- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/11/2012 4:18 PM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /CFCO+thats life.mp3 > Uploaded by : toledohamradio > > Description : AM Stereo CFCO on Fanfare Tuner > > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CFCO%2Bthats%20life.mp3 JAWDROPPING good stereo and fidelity audio!! I'll have to send this link to anyone who says "that's just AM." Thanks for sharing. 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11 Jan 2012 17:38:58 -0800 PST Message-ID: <0C1D996816A74767B2DADBCD64A69FC6@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <1326320270.38700.77274.w6@yahoogroups.com> <4F0E147A.3070608@usfamily.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:38:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=C8WgMkIbixt82Tx9amntilbzPIcxVByG8SUnmA2yg-repSDaTiuzC2LThXT3Cgo2oFFZu7XZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scott That sounds great!!!!! Do you know what tuner that was recorded from and what bandwidth thay use in Canada CFCO ? Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:00 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum On 1/11/2012 4:18 PM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /CFCO+thats life.mp3 > Uploaded by : toledohamradio > > Description : AM Stereo CFCO on Fanfare Tuner > > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CFCO%2Bthats%20life.mp3 JAWDROPPING good stereo and fidelity audio!! I'll have to send this link to anyone who says "that's just AM." Thanks for sharing. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 11 17:48:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98163 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2012 01:48:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2012 01:48:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2012 01:48:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2012 01:48:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.79] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2012 01:48:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2012 01:48:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 818086.63718.bm@omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 50007 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2012 01:48:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: tvdINBUVM1m9lc30cKXV0TO6eFt5kFv9vh4nKXee_losKoz zhk4kFUiYJHNkQrxdqOSB58_CPcpALYQTq1vVGesLJYhk2W4o8hNcalxbUpL 1uMJIp1plrfU0YMIMB3HO8sDocWIZVpFFLoR7VsZFpKtp_Ba9UfgGxu2Lt_c MlJCAV1UPExS88WRqGP48MIW54QD9NUK6k8pIOdu5e5EvX09x7ebK1C_APr. i8_sKXjkgZQTfK7Mfc9BDg_7u2Cti0xBX2qiUfpP99NKA2ogOhi5WjnI8yXn pKnx2I07ejYsyX2U6iuk60lA_P6wXAWIfPpdD1f6JcM6nCTId45v_z_ariSK R7sbuEy1u45.q2Hxp9lkKQoiQ77J7UaLEpP6lOWFMfoFiHjQEIHOLJvUMtUv _rK8Nh4rJlk.Qz5emOmOnmMHx8w1ki13Gx.stLw.RJ4ZH50IPpHWt.SgdeAA zMVa.yOBn9Yovjjn2IW0J4DdFnWHAEF5kAuaraP6O.kOZsIVzHPgmmLPQa2A L5Z_UGL12p5BPVq3JLQx7Z9FTH8r0Q4oYeHlecBJRlXk6qJUUR4Wx3nP_vxg OyLHYKMduW1gc9Qxg6eM88lDyQ6tSI7OaH3FxdlEXPQFZmkHGnBSIZNIUxBm clWz_IKhw6LG2HPkL2SAo67L9ZUzeKxXBm4edldoxL6YMnHfsh_._vA5SSVY 0Q6VNkmKjHc_DTZwkDvEDeD1Jm7Ritkrs1TqKBR9eKR9X0TVYPMm32qmSDao GvbFWY5tptAEyzrREsxXZg9MQIUIZZWx88R.CNzRXpDxX7x3NzDUxd49MdYv jucytcu_frP2wLpPKIMwVcfWKWJtdgbyJQjVRi0dfTwksQDz7zucsb1rwfJR p4Y8VYm3tEEN8dpI7jyjS1UzTpOLFQVfeYt23YlZWx3ND9iWVaaD1MuwMUZA dyZ0blsAOX0epe9EniKHD3FrOQoY7nvpulwLzUImBb3naT2_qsqr47YsetHz It2jdGHbgxTpTgMPFVXjh87uoBZKSwSfCCGrXoV94AT5NpC_l5w-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.20.189.111 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2012 17:48:31 -0800 PST Message-ID: <7E815D464F8C46B9A9C7C37A88121BB4@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:48:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=BIfgKpgCTucXJzjtRQSDV8g-PRKD9V-kdv4gtVYAiwvnsbWJsCEsRITPhxCirl7YclVCvvYc X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jaun With out a Pilot Tone that would leave some tuners out of stereo. = I know the Pilot Tone for C-QuAM 25khz and ISB is 15khz and Magnavox 5kh= z and Harris was changed about three times. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:39 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreami= n.mp3 =20=20=20=20 Hi Dan!!! Your question is a very good question but I don't have any clue which way= Adobe Audition use to change the signal phase. I just use the Effects Menu= , option Phase, but I insist I don't have any clue about how does it work. Whatever, I forgot some issue: 1) With the description I wrote, you just get an Independent SideBand Sup= pressed Carrier signal (because, remember, the Adobe Audition Modulation op= tion gives a DSBSC signal). So... you have to re-insert a 10 KHZ carrier (y= ou can do it from the Generate Menu, option Tone). Unfortunately, there isn= 't a general rule about the audio and carrier levels (to get a full 100% AM= signal). Sorry, you will have to experiment up to get the desired signal). 2) Because my knowledge limitations, I used +-90 degrees phasing to get t= he full process, but the original Kahn ISB AM Stereo uses +- 45 degrees pha= sing. I tested it but the final results weren't full satisfactory (you can = see a visual sidebands poor separation as well). I don't know if it is beca= use some Adobe Audition phasing limitation and/or because the 45 degrees va= lue isn't the appropiate value (I guess it is because some my old neurons i= ssue). 3) I didn't use any kind of Pilot signal because I don't know how to inse= rt it (into the C-QUAM system it is inserted into the L-R signal, but if we= do it the same here, we will destroy the pilot as well) because added any = kind of extra issue. Also, I'm not sure if the original Kahn system used a = Pilot as well (it is not necessary any kind of pilot at both ISB or C-QUAM = because, against the FM Stereo process, a pilot here is only to light the t= uner stereo light, not to get something from the process itself). And... 4) Time ago I wrote to the Adobe programming staff about if the last vers= ion (Adobe Audition 3.5) has something new about the modulation process its= elf and... I never got any answer from them. Hahahahaha!!! So, I don't know= if with the last version we would get some improvement about this issue. The only one good question I have into my mind (believe it or not, there = still are some living neurons into my brain) is about if someone would use = a full software modulation generation stage (like SoDiRa) to get a full C-Q= UAM or ISB AM Stereo, the digital process... Does it add some extra delay t= ime on the last audio signal in comparison with the original audio? I'm tal= king about a human hearing system noticeable delay. The question is intended because we know IBOC could to take up to 12 seco= nds (or more) and it is a very annoying thing to hear the typical conversat= ion between the station studio speaker and someone at some external place o= r telephone line: "Hi, fellow, How are you?... (aeternal time)... Hi, I'm fine. It is so ba= d!!! Also, any C-QUAM and/or ISB AM Stereo "normal" Exciter is... an expensive= device. Maybe, just maybe, with software we could get... a more cheap devi= ce? ??? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL, FELLOWS!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wr= ote: > > Thanks Jota, that's a very good description. I've been playing with > Audacity doing the same sort of thing for C-Quam, just checking that I = have > the formula right :) For step 4 (phase shift the L-R 90 degrees), did y= ou > use a Hilbert transform? >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Dan >=20 > On 11 January 2012 13:17, Jota wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Hi, Daniel!!! > > > > It isn't a secret: you need to use some audio editing software with s= ome > > "extra" skills (specifically: modulation option). > > > > I used ADOBE AUDITION 1.5. > > > > 1) You have to record the stereo audio (obviously). > > > > 2) You have to apply the FFT filtering to up the carrier frecuency yo= u're > > chosing (I used 10 KHZ as the center carrier frecuency so I filtered = to 10 > > KHZ as the audio upper boundary). > > > > 3) You have to create the typical stereo matrix signal: one channel w= ith > > the L+R sum and the other with the L-R difference. > > > > 4) Then, you have to change the phase of the L-R signal into -90 degr= ees. > > > > 5) Then, you have to generate a 10 KHZ pure sinusoidal signal (the > > carrier) and modulate it with the L+R signal ONLY into the channel yo= u are > > using to the L+R sum (I used the normal Left channel to this). > > > > 6) You have to generate another 10 KHZ pure sinusoidal signal but 90 > > degrees phased in comparison with the before signal and modulate it w= ith > > the -90 degrees L-R signal ONLY in the channel you are using with the= L-R > > difference (I used the normal Right channel to this). > > > > 7) One word about the "modulation" process: the Adobe Audition standa= rd > > modulation option generates a Double SideBand Suppressed Carrier sign= al. It > > is the same as you could get from any standard balanced modulator. I = think > > it is the best way to the process. > > > > 8) Now, you have the two basic components of the AM Independent SideB= and > > Stereo system. You just have to join it into one only signal (Mono > > convertion) and... VIOLA!!! AM Stereo!!! > > > > OK, I know it is a very long and hard to "catch" process, but it is r= eal > > and a very good AM ISB Stereo signal. > > > > I guess there must be some more simple and easy way to get it, but I = don't > > know that magic solution. Sorry, it is my limited and old neurons iss= ue. > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope and blessings= . > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jota, > > > > > > I just managed to listen to this file through Sodira Software Defin= ed > > > Radio. It decodes quite well in CQuAM. > > > > > > You can also listen to the Upper Sideband only or the Lower Sideban= d > > only. > > > > > > How was this file originally generated? > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 12:22:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24715 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2012 20:22:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2012 20:22:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.243) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2012 20:22:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2012 20:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2012 20:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2012 20:22:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:22:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F0E147A.3070608@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mQ9fwLD_A3QkKa9JQPqVu9epouV31W_PS2LnqTmYPgLPtz1Gg68MtuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The Fanfare tuner meets AMAX standards; CFCO uses a Nautel transmitter (10K= W days directional, reduced nights) with the normal NRSC filter and has bui= lt-in CQUAM as shipped; this new transmitter was installed late in 1999. = =20 Recorded 80 air miles from the transmitter straight out of the tuner direct= ly into a CD recorder. Finalized CD audio file converted directly to MP3 w= ith no filtering. 73 John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > File : /CFCO+thats life.mp3 >>=20 > JAWDROPPING good stereo and fidelity audio!! I'll have to send this=20 > link to anyone who says "that's just AM." Thanks for sharing. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jan 12 18:39:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: AMstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42796 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2012 02:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2012 02:39:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f43.google.com) (209.85.213.43) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2012 02:39:29 -0000 X-Received: by yhoo22 with SMTP id o22so56569yho.2 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:39:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.155.101 with SMTP id i65mr373397yhk.104.1326422368458; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:39:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f47sm12020485yhh.8.2012.01.12.18.39.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:39:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 21:39:24 -0500 Message-Id: <2000BF6D-3D99-43CA-AA7B-83F4ACD46DE3@gmail.com> To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com, AMstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.43 From: Kevin Raper Subject: RCA BC-15B Console X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Rgm7yedVlg7ECk6FpwfD52l67k3vSdTAx0Te-BeuCc3bh-Yzc3w4L51pfpJG_w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody got a Manual for an RCA BC-15B 5 Channel Mono Console? I was told these were made for RCA by AMPRO. Possibly there is an AMPRO Model that the Book is close Enough to use? 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From themountain1061@yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 18:45:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: themountain1061@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49850 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2012 02:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2012 02:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2012 02:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2012 02:45:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2012 02:45:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2012 02:45:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 02:45:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2000BF6D-3D99-43CA-AA7B-83F4ACD46DE3@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.61.188.248 From: "hammar" Subject: Re: RCA BC-15B Console X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123145763; y=vqsQWJVUg7wqpeGh-SF3F3ify97LwID234nPLfN2fM_GATlxelKzkNbL X-Yahoo-Profile: themountain1061 Ampro took over after RCA stopped making them.I engineer a station that use= d to use the ampro board i will look next time i go there... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > > Anybody got a Manual for an RCA BC-15B 5 Channel Mono Console? I was told= these were made for RCA by AMPRO. Possibly there is an AMPRO Model that th= e Book is close Enough to use? >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jan 12 19:02:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75850 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2012 03:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2012 03:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f53.google.com) (209.85.213.53) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2012 03:02:45 -0000 X-Received: by yhjj56 with SMTP id j56so62966yhj.12 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:02:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.148.235 with SMTP id v71mr700219yhj.6.1326423764146; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:02:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b36sm12087931yhj.22.2012.01.12.19.02.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:02:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:02:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RCA BC-15B Console X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=qpOTbZoO6DoUKz4A7c50Wxiny9EiB_ocVzI5YaBW1Zd8Q9zrxbn2zy-sb5bHSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:45 PM, hammar wrote: > Ampro took over after RCA stopped making them.I engineer a station that used to use the ampro board i will look next time i go there... Thanks a BUNCH! That console was donated to us today by another station that retired it. I want to use it as an Air Console on WCKI. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 13 09:16:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98439 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2012 17:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2012 17:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2012 17:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120113111638002853300010> for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:16:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F1066F3.3000700@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:16:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:16:38 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120113-0, 01/13/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RCA BC-15B Console X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZlZQ0ttRvruiDJt8DXTm8kUrVJn1u_xaSs2g8Z-H1qAe3M7Vb5iA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/12/2012 9:02 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:45 PM, hammar wrote: > > > Ampro took over after RCA stopped making them.I engineer a station > that used to use the ampro board i will look next time i go there... > > Thanks a BUNCH! That console was donated to us today by another station > that retired it. I want to use it as an Air Console on WCKI. > Did you ever get that stereo BE board I sent a few years ago into working condition? Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jan 13 09:41:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90480 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2012 17:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2012 17:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f179.google.com) (209.85.160.179) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2012 17:41:06 -0000 X-Received: by ghrr11 with SMTP id r11so953432ghr.10 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:41:05 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.234.1 with SMTP id g1mr923851anh.79.1326476465187; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:41:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a48sm15665193yhj.2.2012.01.13.09.41.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:41:04 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:41:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4F1066F3.3000700@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4F1066F3.3000700@usfamily.net> Message-Id: <195A0433-9A23-4772-86CB-52590F42CD8F@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RCA BC-15B Console X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=w8iblFjRvPcZdR8-i03lSN7e1Xl8cb8sSOr9ioO_TBHHzzsaZyRY9vl-etDqRA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 13, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Did you ever get that stereo BE board I sent a few years ago into > working condition? It is in my Production Studio in St. George. I wanted to use it for WCKI, but it had to go where it was needed the most. I do LOVE BE Boards, it is a Crying shame they are no longer made. My 2 Favorites are the Stereo BEs that like one and the Harris Stereo 80s. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 13 10:11:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78705 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2012 18:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2012 18:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2012 18:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120113121042000263800010> for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:10:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F10739F.2010405@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:10:39 -0600 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:10:42 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4F1066F3.3000700@usfamily.net> <195A0433-9A23-4772-86CB-52590F42CD8F@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <195A0433-9A23-4772-86CB-52590F42CD8F@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120113-0, 01/13/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RCA BC-15B Console X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=vxBjJyKrk2BZc7d7nwvD14gehPW_4WGA79cfPNJ2BVmlbTn9FJ27 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/13/2012 11:41 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Jan 13, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > > > Did you ever get that stereo BE board I sent a few years ago into > > working condition? > > It is in my Production Studio in St. George. I wanted to use it for > WCKI, but it had to go where it was needed the most. > > I do LOVE BE Boards, it is a Crying shame they are no longer made. > > My 2 Favorites are the Stereo BEs that like one and the Harris Stereo 80s. If you need any more boards I know of some at a station in SD. Other than the stereo Autogram which I'm pretty sure they'd want some cash for, the rest could likely be had just for the price of shipping. I didn't list what they had but I'll be there again in a few months. It was a mix of stereo and mono. IIRC they also had one of those mono Ampro boards. No BEs or Stereo 80s, though. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jan 13 10:17:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33251 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2012 18:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2012 18:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f178.google.com) (209.85.213.178) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2012 18:17:32 -0000 X-Received: by yenq2 with SMTP id q2so409909yen.23 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:17:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.182.8 with SMTP id n8mr3528274yhm.26.1326478650712; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:17:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a48sm15835564yhj.2.2012.01.13.10.17.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:17:28 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:17:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4F10739F.2010405@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4F1066F3.3000700@usfamily.net> <195A0433-9A23-4772-86CB-52590F42CD8F@gmail.com> <4F10739F.2010405@usfamily.net> Message-Id: <072DA12D-101A-4E6F-8B6E-AAC21D43D2A5@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RCA BC-15B Console X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=hmeDJ-ZjPcgACtG_4Ee8aHxSAtrfH1Plb_9MmF2f_QIhd5NYQInVS0rBVp51kA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > If you need any more boards I know of some at a station in SD. Other > than the stereo Autogram which I'm pretty sure they'd want some cash > for, the rest could likely be had just for the price of shipping. I > didn't list what they had but I'll be there again in a few months. It > was a mix of stereo and mono. IIRC they also had one of those mono > Ampro boards. No BEs or Stereo 80s, though. Please do check the next time you are there, they would be a BIG blessing because Somebody is donating another Station to us that is a License Only to us and I am going to have to build it out as well. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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File : /WSM-2 15 KHz Filter.mp3 Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : "WSM Audio Clip Using Delco UX1" (mono) from Todd Roberts You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WSM-2%2015%20KHz%20Filter.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, toledohamradio From bratina501@msn.com Sat Jan 14 13:22:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75621 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2012 21:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2012 21:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.174) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2012 21:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2012 21:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2012 21:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2012 21:22:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:22:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1326558151.11796.36039.w5@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=bDhgQfgHLnK8BXzzkE_vDQhKu6yl4rhr_mR0InO0ejHmyCFrVw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /WSM-2 15 KHz Filter.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : toledohamradio =20 > Description : "WSM Audio Clip Using Delco UX1" (mono) from Todd Roberts= =20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WSM-2%2015%20KHz%20Filt= er.mp3=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, >=20 > toledohamradio > How did you even record from a Delco UX-1 in the first place? I have been w= ondering about how to do that myself because its the only radio I have whic= h will do my AM stereo transmitter justice in sound quality and would like = to make better quality recordings. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Jan 14 15:51:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96102 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2012 23:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2012 23:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2012 23:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q0ENpihu017190 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:51:44 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgb003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.9]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9D82BE000081 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:51:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3d40.22c6602b.3c436f10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:51:44 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:404309856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4f1215104c92 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=NtMprKWFT83mcc3LH0LIHCN1UfoJNg_GZJGhfHMAaDdognu1SX7Z X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 1/14/2012 4:22:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: How did you even record from a Delco UX-1 in the first place? I have been wondering about how to do that myself because its the only radio I have which will do my AM stereo transmitter justice in sound quality and would like to make better quality recordings. I found there is a place to access a fixed line-level output directly from the UX1 main receiver board. This is before the equalizer and main amplifier circuits so it is very clean audio. The main receiver board is the top board, the first one directly under the top cover. It is mounted upside-down in place under the top cover. Looking at the left-hand side of the board with the cover off, there is a 9-pin ribbon cable that connects from the underside of the board. Look for nine terminals in a row about 1/2 inch from the left-hand edge of the board. Terminal #1 is about two inches from the rear edge of the board. If you count along the terminals, counting back from the front panel side, terminal #3 is Right-hand output and terminal #4 is Left-hand output for a stereo pair. Use one of the board mounting screws for ground. I found that you can tap directly from those terminals without having to remove anything as long as you are only using them for line-level output. The line-level input circuits to an external recorder or amplifier are high-impedance so connecting to this point will not affect the rest of the circuit. Just remember that the output here is fixed and not variable so the main UX1 volume control has no effect at this part of the circuit. You can leave the volume turned all the way down if you are only concerned about the line-level output, or you can still play the UX1 with external speakers if you want to listen to it locally. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From bratina501@msn.com Sun Jan 15 08:52:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76597 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2012 16:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2012 16:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.120) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2012 16:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2012 16:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2012 16:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2012 16:52:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:52:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3d40.22c6602b.3c436f10@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=6Mr1WM2bPbmhVuVEaGyoXKi-uLpF4PImtEKNnyXUan1WbqQ5cg X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > I found there is a place to access a fixed line-level output directly fro= m=20=20 > the UX1 main receiver board.=20 > This is before the equalizer and main amplifier circuits so it is very = =20 > clean audio. The main receiver board is the top board, the first one dire= ctly=20=20 > under the top cover. It is mounted upside-down in place under the > top cover. Looking at the left-hand side of the board with the cover > off, there is a 9-pin ribbon cable that connects from the underside of th= e=20=20 > board. Look for nine > terminals in a row about 1/2 inch from the left-hand edge of the board. = =20 > Terminal #1 is about two=20 > inches from the rear edge of the board. If you count > along the terminals, counting back from the front panel side, terminal #= 3=20 > is Right-hand output and terminal #4 is Left-hand output for a stereo pai= r.=20=20 > Use one of the board mounting screws for ground. >=20=20 > I found that you can tap directly from those terminals without having to = =20 > remove anything as long=20 > as you are only using them for line-level output. The line-level input = =20 > circuits to an external recorder or > amplifier are high-impedance so connecting to this point will not affect = =20 > the rest of the circuit. > Just remember that the output here is fixed and not variable so the main = =20 > UX1 volume control=20 > has no effect at this part of the circuit. You can leave the volume turne= d=20=20 > all the way down if you > are only concerned about the line-level output, or you can still play the= =20=20 > UX1 with external speakers > if you want to listen to it locally. >=20=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > I think you could not have been more clear on the instructions. Just did th= e mod a few moments ago and it works perfectly! The sound quality is incred= ible the UX-1 really seems to rival the legendary Carver AM stereo tuners w= ith this type of setup however I also discovered that with this modificatio= n it bypasses the amplifier when anything is plugged in (I used a 3.5 mm st= ereo miniplug jack) however when nothing is plugged in the amplifier and eq= ualizer circuits work normally. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Jan 15 09:14:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32621 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2012 17:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2012 17:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2012 17:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q0FHE3od027105 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:14:03 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgb003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.9]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6FEE5E00008D for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:14:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3877.4985eb0d.3c44635b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:14:03 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:441744640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb4f13095b2961 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=bOz3Y0-DqAa0ZSxyJQsLujvHFxOxB2v2ta-xeIkGsxecnsKuapj_ X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Glad to hear the mod is working well for you, however the UX1 should continue to work normally using the built in equalizer and amp to drive local speakers with as long as the external amplifier or recorder input is high impedance. All you should be doing is connecting a line level output in parallel with the terminals on the UX1 receiver pc board. I run mine into my PC sound card line input and it continues to play normally into a set of speakers using the UX1 volume control and the 5-band equalizer. No difference in volume. Did you check to see if yours still plays into speakers but at reduced volume? Connecting the line level output into an external amp or recorder input might load down the level a little bit but it should still play through local speakers. Try turning the UX1 volume control up a little higher. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 1/15/2012 11:52:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bratina501@msn.com writes: I think you could not have been more clear on the instructions. Just did the mod a few moments ago and it works perfectly! The sound quality is incredible the UX-1 really seems to rival the legendary Carver AM stereo tuners with this type of setup however I also discovered that with this modification it bypasses the amplifier when anything is plugged in (I used a 3.5 mm stereo miniplug jack) however when nothing is plugged in the amplifier and equalizer circuits work normally. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 05:00:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80900 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2012 13:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2012 13:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.96) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2012 13:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 13:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 13:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 13:00:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:00:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.73.188 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Tuner for AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ef67YvUDFwisV4fZB-M9fql8sekk0kE1Kbk4d29pL7I X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi all=20 I need to know if MARANTZ has ever made an AM STEREO capable tuner receiver= and what model it was. I have some probably good news for the AM STEREO fu= ns...=20 From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Jan 16 07:32:36 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12419 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2012 15:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2012 15:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.171) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2012 15:32:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1326727956; bh=n/PwAnjfKZTjpwfvLTWRWVJfrVrBp+ZgAhjzeZAN03g=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EeH5QHD+Eo5rjMXTep0+6qOqTpboeugDJ8Rd0ZHKw7LSzqf21Vj1d1ORmEOY3TGCKpAnWdgwSsElCU92lImU+7ngLxWP1wGL9U11CwhrfuAZHQDEA48GiB2oakPFzano Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 15:32:36 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 15:32:36 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 15:32:36 -0000 Date: 16 Jan 2012 15:32:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1326727955.16835.20845.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/TA8120P.PDF Uploaded by : pdmtr Description : TA8120P C-QUAM AM STEREO DECODER You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/TA8120P.PDF To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, pdmtr From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 16 10:58:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84527 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2012 18:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2012 18:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.108) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2012 18:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 18:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 18:58:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 18:58:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:58:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.52.80 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Tuner for AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=2vS6QPwVXkEHV9bI9I9maipisZfypKICCKeraTwhIgEPWuUsOCy4EU8HRLVXP6DObx7wekUp X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Yes the MOD# SR 940. If you go to www.amstereo.s5.com and click on radi= os you will see a bunch of AM STEREO radios and tuners and some links to bu= y new ones. Jim Smith amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" w= rote: > > Hi all=20 > I need to know if MARANTZ has ever made an AM STEREO capable tuner receiv= er and what model it was. I have some probably good news for the AM STEREO = funs... > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 14:52:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48255 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2012 22:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2012 22:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.168) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2012 22:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 22:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 22:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2012 22:52:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:52:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 188.4.104.247 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: Tuner for AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=UhE8zv_49AgfyDoC3Io2jklODq6Ar09ZIF-6q6bC31I X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Jim=20 Ues I'm aware of the few older models, but I wanted to know if anyone knows= about the late available models with AM Stereo. However I just find out th= at Marantz was still producing AM Stereo capable tuners until 2009, as a fr= iend of mine has brought me a Marantz tuner to reca;ibrate teh FM section o= f it, and when I looked under the hood, voila! Ther was a board with space = marked at it (AM STEREO) and the related circuitry was based to the MC13022= DW Ic. The pats was missing from their positions, as this one is a European= market model of them, so they haven't placed the AM Stereo decoder in it. = However I managed to find the complete Service manual and now I;m arranging= to get the parts needed to make it as it should be. The funny thing about = it, is that it doesn't have to be modified at any other aspect, ie. microco= ntroller settings, etc, as there is no interaction that is based on any fir= mware changes! Anything whould work straightforward by just placing the rig= ht components on their places!=20 Will get back when I will recive the MC13022DW IC and make all the modifica= tions with success!=20 Model is still available all around as it has been discontinued juast befor= e 3 years! Brand new stock can be easily found even today, and at real low = prices, instead of the MSPR of it when it was an active line product of Mar= antz...=20 Hope to get it done soon...=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Yes the MOD# SR 940. If you go to www.amstereo.s5.com and click on ra= dios you will see a bunch of AM STEREO radios and tuners and some links to = buy new ones. Jim Smith amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wr= ote: > > > > Hi all=20 > > I need to know if MARANTZ has ever made an AM STEREO capable tuner rece= iver and what model it was. I have some probably good news for the AM STERE= O funs... > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 16 16:30:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99984 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2012 00:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2012 00:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.90) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2012 00:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 00:30:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.125] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 00:30:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 00:30:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 237845.64219.bm@omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75078 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2012 00:30:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: idfuhmAVM1lDlIgl_HrEYv9CXXcMKZ_xbLJJ077lV4kywaU EC.K3fUh0kqpou_p4Rj7vJdxMt90XOkotXnv2A2kvUiAXbutUMkY4Ez9l1Bf iKCPCIcEHXU.6XBIwoCQLlUu23GeRdYPYzp0eJX5JiSKYwHx1jVQYIrEuQ2C Z2v8e64AsLDbHc8rUSxzHlVqvgSLI5QrxexdAU9CiDKAy9O8haEcdQfhnZrc w6Jr.ylLF42LN.xzcSl6fmkAyHoNntrsT9tIA_WvzSMjpEvkeD5eyxPQmSdh MLjl7tUvF3bkJOadFXWHXlqOSm3kml6rspwBXiWViyY0SJnVIy0t.bmdBegd r7tKsc9VeffFI8M7vkXBzm74W3sojCgvNsGHGTulHOuv_3ZBdBQ4814P.WTG gtayQV04GD8.nHYaMbqJqdNWST0cl1p75yIyFmZE18NyQOnzZ2GQa0ZczKD3 DedKwI9SYTCbAoKqwbHP8tbMgwgLKvbbVgyPQUFKSfiKILXT6VSATqVxSwDF 1T_R5WP3KHMYUQioKpsCuR57dQmOMwjP3_hvmjznHYKFGcOGtZbwad1SgK4S C2e2Z9AtU08VerbbrVwUsb8.ZET1fwTYSi3nd93oaGIY0rIdfh_nFEoBTy7c xg1TJFCBNFRe4fuz9EAoWcUnF4eHgG53AZok8yFm99ZYjPIjHeIWby8.tfn0 Uj2zzuV.eFyCfkhQNdk0vW2b8OUUSNiRJHGHNhIAvaFnxgMCzrjP9bqD7HvZ ZuDnOm6g3tsTie1wMuI2hn9jlodO5acB7uZVH_Ad7rtqPbab_zJofbmwg79r qX2YPfhuL2NPfnu.4aZVW1bX2O_OtjNXCAMj3pbpPC07YvXBamDtgPXMbE4t HJkGYvFX0XmWgPORUcZGyWmPPUSSIipWToPk3Pj7XNqtWVPRsLzVBmm_wgb3 F.iossSt0BHiRk7nHPt5h5ayUMu9iR_49OhLZXWnaFhGEPhBGAfhUJ_e7Ify Ku0owUFFKZNoLgrbK21KgbPVfj3WCjviFtKSyBPIzHuB8ZkdqyagGlQ.U2KB ZIbR8DczHd9f9lJz0M_rDKtXCUdripHmEqJ0vrf4j4TnUzpdwmACSnLy21vM zUABJ23kJ4iNlnCwjR9XkG4K0njM3Hk6qNPCuv6s8CWGxkwjkjLl7427JCT4 HIDyJHxR9jXAC3gA44X6io6ysO5.6GDaLCYzfOBUJq_tZmQhTCzr8NFG0mid zIOVVeQtKtV1HMg6la2zoSdGtj2JAv..Be0xuhc0XgPbpCQHjj23kGnqxbgt 7oVaMi1rodQBMgEFDY13DAf9Sui3OL8vvnAEC2n3H0xkF1otfrJvnZfmJqh1 NlukcJIybXpuD5i.eoEIAtUxD2Z7ZMjD_LvA90cjgjRelS4TRvhJnXT5L_qI AzyzvunOE0uQ3opEqOlncSKoYHQa13kOCHSNFylmjr8tTKZdOANCDX.zMRic UX1UtVg7rLsjB1BZp6iqRFZWvuoi_A8qc_PtQhj9U1BLcWAC9cXJt4P2g9Ee zFLmboMO2gagZSCBcYUOm7L.aBvXnSFEq0KCqAwC5rTO.g9m7LQ.JuI.5Z9t tod7Cs3ECVZonXgoYOxdR7QgPvg1aU3vHPHH8AcdYCay.vOMIOUwdx77rJky RgZKNGGAE3e4VOFrguFfs9So.Dd.ALU5gicHIa5Ww24IHk_WAzWtUKt1jsFz 9JsmMgHa7n9toNw3qPFMsKXkr9YZQEVtOEcXp6u5DesS7WXEW8qI8g0pkcB6 1MHJIdnMCcgJJOzRzmDJMJlPKIglLCLknsRRlVCeypHeyclz6cyY0EX0yKok lugXuJevt5qHNWK71KN_wPFOpt08ThdG_EaB4vEbqAVFh0AIHGurLl8zNDHR qvkomdz.Prb9dHsvDrEq8_P22VCqxWGhYbZLadtmMbFNdEYfUsr_x4QeZy6F t2Fvvx9rZuZQojIr9uhvzM9gm9rr3ZvEFbt6siDRD62aEPObqPGnAAr9PfBc vWnaxt2kj8yYvLL0S6JIH2m934s3RX7ai0UDNx0FWQjCkcCyMKNbAc3tIA_F ABwGVgYYhLc6Vqj4fNhiRpqicozBrbJqW42wGDOUYF4nusaqUhkEF4IZ8adP ZFUVDVe84UeYXtf06XwE6CB85zWFCqqIcTEOL6AcvSDNJ8gMFaCITyFzect_ gtpsiDYwhssQk6wt_kR93y9soLFcjqbEk4xEy4hiPrEdvKNWS5dm2kOCQNzb FfMkm4DGwqR6CiJZMNEXEYqjIC3qo5h4WdIHWQJut.VJb3FRTYT0N3JQHZTf y9w5o82qbqjURVb.MrfTrNXLUMZtVlb7Lv5g5yGKLlpuijQjvLOf7tq.OwvW ohwcCGu5NnUBUR_wnyVh.q9oRdWvcc.e85z2XT5NU826tXIocqjtT1zAorag v6n38._X9wZpqX9mrfXOxYmmClR9Yj9VL.s39lqpqeMP2HpdWKumt8ymlmVM 16P5YEf7HDQ6TFzMcJOf7tH0W2rPFYE6xocb1f5svErMt6otBdW96VIMicRU KUOVjQuRAjVCxwym7rCL32_6eTeoAJk3.60JVnH2SSE0ObogcZMgcRw1koG5 vOwIa3oNSGySktXWgJJjXjncQGe2q9icVjsrTFSaUluSZKGmmC0ir.3iJ8dm PzXXQq0IyDityJud_eG3SpSRWkiQqNxRwV2_WuzFglkOfM3gMA5ezSXU6tct iEuoHbTVP1fx9_84SYMvaJhMW_lrY8Okj..jcqN0jpSc1ty6xwRmrsvDjBla jHjaz21OtArA9O62gSO6H_iR_mLbUdv28DHzSHpXduCip3bM9V2ufCL6m8b8 jtlPSOU_nSdJB_S9DLsDZlqxV1zh0fCcpEUvrawlEWM9uaDD50.AltuOdyQR gfY8pEeNfGd5kPjM4iuhp0g2Vr7xhSvsK_3_3XMsGZBRyNDLbFliHFDchTWQ UREPV6tUQu7uFUz9lwISFWd.4iJ3_V6EV101kfAvei6XCZRDSmY7WT6r8tV8 P4OjqsFC.GweWANZFTMUGxpTsRy1BrBrohf7o5nrrlVmdbGQSDNCv5IXXHKQ boOE9Msv8ddzw3mmL7kRX7ba1ErQRYTJ5V_sAw70mWgCarh4KqgIBUWdicfn LBLBI_a7hEM4.mZoPtIAIDh.qeGN8kj_6gwQvcbUjVGFct4s6YblCdySxoPi etHRJMJl1wmWZSXr1Icfc9RAMGA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.26.20.93 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2012 16:30:14 -0800 PST Message-ID: <45503D664B844BCEBA001DE5753D2FB9@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:30:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tuner for AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=5vUCOOmwznIpOP0Ju6YPxo50IrVpUrWh0ysy_JQdOfeAXmJNvCtq9ML1sizCtM9RLPx-9D9c X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Again I was going to say if all parts where'nt around you could buy a $25 US.decoder from Jeff Deck at www.meduci.com . Those decoders have the newst chip MC13028. That chip sounds much better than the earlyer ones. I wish i had some AM STEREO stations in my area. Jim Smith Neer Sacramento Ca U.S.A ----- Original Message ----- From: pdmtr To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tuner for AM Stereo? Hi Jim Ues I'm aware of the few older models, but I wanted to know if anyone knows about the late available models with AM Stereo. However I just find out that Marantz was still producing AM Stereo capable tuners until 2009, as a friend of mine has brought me a Marantz tuner to reca;ibrate teh FM section of it, and when I looked under the hood, voila! Ther was a board with space marked at it (AM STEREO) and the related circuitry was based to the MC13022DW Ic. The pats was missing from their positions, as this one is a European market model of them, so they haven't placed the AM Stereo decoder in it. However I managed to find the complete Service manual and now I;m arranging to get the parts needed to make it as it should be. The funny thing about it, is that it doesn't have to be modified at any other aspect, ie. microcontroller settings, etc, as there is no interaction that is based on any firmware changes! Anything whould work straightforward by just placing the right components on their places! Will get back when I will recive the MC13022DW IC and make all the modifications with success! Model is still available all around as it has been discontinued juast before 3 years! Brand new stock can be easily found even today, and at real low prices, instead of the MSPR of it when it was an active line product of Marantz... Hope to get it done soon... Best regards Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > Hi Yes the MOD# SR 940. If you go to www.amstereo.s5.com and click on radios you will see a bunch of AM STEREO radios and tuners and some links to buy new ones. Jim Smith amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > > > Hi all > > I need to know if MARANTZ has ever made an AM STEREO capable tuner receiver and what model it was. I have some probably good news for the AM STEREO funs... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 03:00:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90779 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2012 11:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2012 11:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.111) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2012 11:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 11:00:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 11:00:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 11:00:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:00:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45503D664B844BCEBA001DE5753D2FB9@jim3slp85ju21o> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.73.188 From: "pdmtr" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tuner for AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=JhEE722PjNh1kOPYbNTDuqcsBlPdfIZpjqxzcjd2rxM X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Jim=20 Yes... I could... if I wasn't able to make my own stereo decoder boards :) = named as D-QUAM to combine them with my AM C-QUAM transmitters ASMAX1 units= :)=20 =20 I'm looking to find an AM Stereo tuner with a well known Brand name on it, = as there are hundred's of people who are asking about and/or want to buy on= e, but they tend to want to be brand new, bo second hand used, or a modifie= d item!=20 You the have the HDT1X at least, but here in Greece (or EU) these models ar= e not available, and when I bought one from the "bay" it was stopped in the= customs as it wasn't possible to get thru without CE mark on it and workin= g at 120VAC!=20 So trying to find another solution...=20 I will run the tests I've said and inform the forum about the results, and = the tuner model.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr=20 ASPiSYS=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Again I was going to say if all parts where'nt around you could buy a= $25 US.decoder from Jeff Deck at www.meduci.com . Those decoders have the= newst chip MC13028. That chip sounds much better than the earlyer ones. I = wish i had some AM STEREO stations in my area. Jim Smith Neer Sacramento Ca= U.S.A > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: pdmtr=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 2:52 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tuner for AM Stereo? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > Hi Jim=20 > Ues I'm aware of the few older models, but I wanted to know if anyone k= nows about the late available models with AM Stereo. However I just find ou= t that Marantz was still producing AM Stereo capable tuners until 2009, as = a friend of mine has brought me a Marantz tuner to reca;ibrate teh FM secti= on of it, and when I looked under the hood, voila! Ther was a board with sp= ace marked at it (AM STEREO) and the related circuitry was based to the MC1= 3022DW Ic. The pats was missing from their positions, as this one is a Euro= pean market model of them, so they haven't placed the AM Stereo decoder in = it. However I managed to find the complete Service manual and now I;m arran= ging to get the parts needed to make it as it should be. The funny thing ab= out it, is that it doesn't have to be modified at any other aspect, ie. mic= rocontroller settings, etc, as there is no interaction that is based on any= firmware changes! Anything whould work straightforward by just placing the= right components on their places!=20 > Will get back when I will recive the MC13022DW IC and make all the modi= fications with success!=20 > Model is still available all around as it has been discontinued juast b= efore 3 years! Brand new stock can be easily found even today, and at real = low prices, instead of the MSPR of it when it was an active line product of= Marantz...=20 >=20 > Hope to get it done soon...=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrot= e: > > > >=20 > > Hi Yes the MOD# SR 940. If you go to www.amstereo.s5.com and click on= radios you will see a bunch of AM STEREO radios and tuners and some links = to buy new ones. Jim Smith amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" = wrote: > > > > > > Hi all=20 > > > I need to know if MARANTZ has ever made an AM STEREO capable tuner = receiver and what model it was. I have some probably good news for the AM S= TEREO funs... > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 17 07:44:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14760 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2012 15:44:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2012 15:44:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.133) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2012 15:44:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 15:44:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.67] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 15:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 15:44:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 925907.18041.bm@omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 55744 invoked from network); 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17 Jan 2012 07:44:28 -0800 PST Message-ID: <46A0A3492EE1441B8C240ED284272456@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:44:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tuner for AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=_3u1uVpDyr8xPuikJLaahu-Jbs7XeAtDoj6Ne5i42ZLDXvvB-Y39vh8xocJDcZ4rM-hjxmEV X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Sotiris I am sorry . I had forgot that you make your own decoders. If you go to www.amstereo.s5.com and click on RADIOS there are some new Sony radios there. One of them are the Sony SRF A300 and two Sony walkmans. All made for the Japan markets AM 530 to 1600. I did not know that Marantz had still made AM STEREO ready radios and tuners. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: pdmtr To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:00 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tuner for AM Stereo? Hi Jim Yes... I could... if I wasn't able to make my own stereo decoder boards :) named as D-QUAM to combine them with my AM C-QUAM transmitters ASMAX1 units :) I'm looking to find an AM Stereo tuner with a well known Brand name on it, as there are hundred's of people who are asking about and/or want to buy one, but they tend to want to be brand new, bo second hand used, or a modified item! You the have the HDT1X at least, but here in Greece (or EU) these models are not available, and when I bought one from the "bay" it was stopped in the customs as it wasn't possible to get thru without CE mark on it and working at 120VAC! So trying to find another solution... I will run the tests I've said and inform the forum about the results, and the tuner model. Best regards Sotiris Pdmtr ASPiSYS --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > Hi Again I was going to say if all parts where'nt around you could buy a $25 US.decoder from Jeff Deck at www.meduci.com . Those decoders have the newst chip MC13028. That chip sounds much better than the earlyer ones. I wish i had some AM STEREO stations in my area. Jim Smith Neer Sacramento Ca U.S.A > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pdmtr > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 2:52 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Tuner for AM Stereo? > > > > > Hi Jim > Ues I'm aware of the few older models, but I wanted to know if anyone knows about the late available models with AM Stereo. However I just find out that Marantz was still producing AM Stereo capable tuners until 2009, as a friend of mine has brought me a Marantz tuner to reca;ibrate teh FM section of it, and when I looked under the hood, voila! Ther was a board with space marked at it (AM STEREO) and the related circuitry was based to the MC13022DW Ic. The pats was missing from their positions, as this one is a European market model of them, so they haven't placed the AM Stereo decoder in it. However I managed to find the complete Service manual and now I;m arranging to get the parts needed to make it as it should be. The funny thing about it, is that it doesn't have to be modified at any other aspect, ie. microcontroller settings, etc, as there is no interaction that is based on any firmware changes! Anything whould work straightforward by just placing the right components on their places! > Will get back when I will recive the MC13022DW IC and make all the modifications with success! > Model is still available all around as it has been discontinued juast before 3 years! Brand new stock can be easily found even today, and at real low prices, instead of the MSPR of it when it was an active line product of Marantz... > > Hope to get it done soon... > Best regards > Sotiris > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > > > Hi Yes the MOD# SR 940. If you go to www.amstereo.s5.com and click on radios you will see a bunch of AM STEREO radios and tuners and some links to buy new ones. Jim Smith amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > > > > > Hi all > > > I need to know if MARANTZ has ever made an AM STEREO capable tuner receiver and what model it was. I have some probably good news for the AM STEREO funs... > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 10:14:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85191 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2012 18:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2012 18:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2012 18:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 18:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 18:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2012 18:14:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:14:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: AM Stereo? MC13022 Chip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=hrE2dXEk0ozBTUy3Tf0EW-fjMt7_ssdn32QmLdt8Uts-4grGqKQF8G8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Sotiris, If I'm not mistaken, I actually saw that MC13022 chip (DIP style) for sale = on fl eBay last week! Might get lucky on that one. Let us know how your conversion goes. 73 John From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Jan 18 05:50:50 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36522 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2012 13:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2012 13:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.135) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2012 13:50:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1326894647; bh=Zaboxd/LLuTDQ4cmEftQeiuLcXSX4RbVlXpb2LBogDo=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vNT7LyvnU692UyIGPwTKqcRQ9jQsGR76zoSEUuSEX/Ci6moYS8dJUIg3Tc9Uen6gqDaOSFcQXy/Bd3AvCxby1m8SlUN2xnvwvtXiBzKpJskxWK+kSp9OTntugYilaUFx Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 13:50:47 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 13:50:47 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 13:50:47 -0000 Date: 18 Jan 2012 13:50:45 -0000 Message-ID: <1326894645.14943.90732.w3@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Boz Scaggs 2 AM1130 WHHW.mp3 Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Todd Roberts UX1 Recordings with wide filters of WHHW-AM You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Boz%20Scaggs%202%20AM1130%20WHHW.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, toledohamradio From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 09:55:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91389 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2012 17:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2012 17:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2012 17:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 17:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 17:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 17:55:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:54:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.73.188 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: AM Stereo? MC13022 Chip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=y986TBdTWcTu5Atq2GOxB0rsshOLepm6A0AJKCR1Gus X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi John=20 Yes that's my source for them. But have to wait till end of month since now= they have their new year vacations and nobody works! I have made contact w= ith that salesman and will order 200pcs from them.=20 If i had one in my stock I could do it right away as the tuner is still in = my lab waiting for those parts to be fitted inside! Have found already the = service manual and it is clearly an AM stereo tuner! So I think this will b= e a succesfull buy for anyone that will need an AM Stereo tuner in the near= future.=20 And the tuner is also a very good unit also for FM as it was a so-called hi= -end model of MARANTZ.=20 Will see!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 PS: We have done some upgrade to our ASMAX units and the transmitter has no= w an incredible audio modulation quality... far better than previous, and c= an go up to +140% without problems and/ot distortion! If you want to do the= needed changes send a PM to tell you what you have to do. IMHO it worths t= he work to make them!=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Hi Sotiris, >=20 > If I'm not mistaken, I actually saw that MC13022 chip (DIP style) for sal= e on fl eBay last week! > Might get lucky on that one. Let us know how your conversion goes. > 73 > John > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 18 12:12:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29495 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2012 20:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2012 20:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.55) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2012 20:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 20:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 20:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 20:11:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:11:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.68.94 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: AM Stereo? MC13022 Chip X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Aho-z22w72wNT8s6Qh4sYdVg-CCbKPb8PqVZ60gAntHm3qmWsAbuOzUGFymxuZPCmCnbV559 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Sotiris I have a old Pioneer SX 202 AM FM STEREO Tuner Amp that looks s= ort of the same . Its missing parts for AM STEREO. Thay where getting ready= for AM STEREO back in 1981. Most of the Pioneer tuners from back then had = a RCA plug out for AM STEREO . Some one told me that thay where so post to = make decoders that pluged in to AM STEREO out and the L-R audio out to AUX = on the amp. But thay never maded them because of the 17 year standard setti= ng mess AM STEREO was from 1975 to 1992. I had read some where that Pioneer= had backed the Harris system in the 80's. Jim Smith tereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > >=20 > Hi John=20 > Yes that's my source for them. But have to wait till end of month since n= ow they have their new year vacations and nobody works! I have made contact= with that salesman and will order 200pcs from them.=20 > If i had one in my stock I could do it right away as the tuner is still i= n my lab waiting for those parts to be fitted inside! Have found already th= e service manual and it is clearly an AM stereo tuner! So I think this will= be a succesfull buy for anyone that will need an AM Stereo tuner in the ne= ar future.=20 > And the tuner is also a very good unit also for FM as it was a so-called = hi-end model of MARANTZ.=20 > Will see!=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris=20 >=20 > PS: We have done some upgrade to our ASMAX units and the transmitter has = now an incredible audio modulation quality... far better than previous, and= can go up to +140% without problems and/ot distortion! If you want to do t= he needed changes send a PM to tell you what you have to do. IMHO it worths= the work to make them!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > > > Hi Sotiris, > >=20 > > If I'm not mistaken, I actually saw that MC13022 chip (DIP style) for s= ale on fl eBay last week! > > Might get lucky on that one. Let us know how your conversion goes. > > 73 > > John > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 18 13:45:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99799 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2012 21:45:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2012 21:45:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.212) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2012 21:45:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 21:45:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.48] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 21:45:31 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2012 21:45:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 996628.56261.bm@smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: YRNj0cUVM1miRve1hUAGa2vp2QzPks_kl8n88Ib3S_jpE0I ArAfOqNJzZ59NSLEcAv_KVFEiDVQFIHjwenywhiud3e9vrFP1HbGeyMNyw5r jGMwHNDAi1gef3DD2RDQ9aabyd.3iaIkvAPfMRNMgaOsPJUnZO7NEpcX1JLR sqUxdfLdWV1WpgC_BU_ZB3BsDrd4LYFJaeeBQLdQq42YU8GLA3UaXFGpaWbN zGxPAVSEh0.0iU4GKymkXhLg9WMkKJOrz.4UPUzU01bEbAnuGmCBMGKtN_Pw ldAfOZm4tVpFGjk0Tpo8SC7U8E0fsXIygLzdDBoKdfax0IqXCUn2dTJQDVCk MJCBgiQ0gA9sI2MrI2Qmh5Ueyq3XXz3MToK4AJzaLRQcvogam5XLt2ZF0NT5 o6ey_1etUYgXhf6qlABde5dvQ8xdu5rexFOoAprLUGO26Dw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.30.68.94 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2012 13:45:30 -0800 PST Message-ID: <75F52DDF71C045798D26FA4C9B563BA1@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:45:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Sony SRF A300 $200 !!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=WERjfmOMeuUFAZi_I3zBxojjqpcC0Tm9wToULGjPbeHkH0yTIn8pjAw2B6qqBeoTb-Kg7JCB X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang WOW!!!! I had just click on the Sony SRF A300 link and Audio Cubes wants $200 for that radio now. I am wondering if thay are getting low on them now ? When i got mine about 7 years ago it was $100 $117 out the door! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keith1226@yahoo.com Wed Jan 18 16:16:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63093 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2012 00:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2012 00:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm28.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.98) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2012 00:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm28.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 00:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.11] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 00:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 00:16:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 477156.19418.bm@omp1011.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 11438 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2012 00:16:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GpJK.jcVM1l4jQoTm41_NtLY_X5K19kGgTrr7GMx9E0ViA7 kEaY44.cAarYclrjfvpQ2YFB4h6zJMzb4Xdy7p33_iZMw15kwD.ImiweWnEI 7QQQCZucmD_cXTmatGCf3Z0lQLM_Jn_Jatb2quGrGwFexLG26FXCaYcoSRTF aJDHGKQi9QBSafDEnSb7KIrFnYOdpBeZCbB8O_zFHAGSGIn1MFqMhDM66gU0 _1McirFyTK5yUGg_2Qn.QjT61uo7y26TkSj_mzEpwUEXgBJ5xvDIRELvxPZ1 VVdq0G.PSM8JkTfIDUFRP.R0g2qz8outnoHIrvmXV6kvHeOlYoeuDPENN0nh Jr2a0DWdReYweagYeiJBW5HEMlGCnFT8UmthwBaei4.wNhx8ACLPf_oGAaiR .G3W3tbtLnIPDuiFmcXWm1P9z4q78.Pubqa8iF0AR2XdkYXvrOK6I8xopZMS miYfUZ5Ja2.R8AY1ByBp3cYPAkWDvCaLi9qicPugsG3xF3YFs7q2ISX5knpD owJdFrfouo4avq9XwOE8O03NB4rifZJj3dZf9WCm0ZPgN0RxxiBV2NYIlvpU OdIXnLomjwEc0i.EQSqaF5j4YzMlMvdbmkn0j6fBgW69.5alvWAWN4t036Vv M5abEQk_GXUkXaC3wMoozMfhoA8P7N6Xe6hlo0Ei.ahZvUukTLKvlRUSGoQF U8z8Z6m2JjoFfIihBJDGtYAnnr77i_VbDqI1QYcS5VHPX4ARvz4IgzW.ZtvF kXJikOyvLrk1HWoqwipuYEIXMMSu063gxXlex_.PKu1tf2NZBlUd2yp7kh6f 1S7rwlTkTkanmdWp6OnAsYB52GkYNAkeVKpyDlE0VkhN.0SLuLcru4cOFpik KUdgsG7R.KpgX5dhaeBGoLnKshIIKJw4nMhbM5hPOtDlfYHHgfxjBxm45CL0 kcCsiT09ERBjXpAuxfGvUQd3l4DJXJ.o5pWax6J.b X-Received: from [67.183.112.24] by web112310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:16:19 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <75F52DDF71C045798D26FA4C9B563BA1@jim3slp85ju21o> Message-ID: <1326932179.95059.YahooMailNeo@web112310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:16:19 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <75F52DDF71C045798D26FA4C9B563BA1@jim3slp85ju21o> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith beesley Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF A300 $200 !!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=PUdAYgdzXmNYDx6Qjh9zpCdB0tbf4oyY48yiB8xCwzrVMSDP X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, their prices on everything are higher than they were a few years ag= o, unfortunately, due to the weak U.S. dollar in relation to the yen. Keith B.=A0 ________________________________ From: jim smith To: am stereo forum =20 Cc: jim smith =20 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} Sony SRF A300 $200 !!!! =20 Hi Gang=A0 WOW!!!! I had just click on the Sony SRF A300 link and Audio Cub= es wants $200 for that radio now.=A0 I=A0 am wondering if thay are getting = low on them now ? When i got mine about 7 years ago it was $100=A0 $117 ou= t the door! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 18 17:02:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68426 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2012 01:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2012 01:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.213) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2012 01:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 01:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 01:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 01:02:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:02:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1326932179.95059.YahooMailNeo@web112310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.68.94 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF A300 $200 !!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Oqiooh9e3RLHDSLE2FYmkhFZQNo7tSQX8z_f3EejwOOquPnpnWEMhqbfKflvRnXIU8HThEeb X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Keith That makes sence. Its a wonder that thay are more wores than what= thay are after the earthguake. I geuss all the goods thay sell world wide= helps there recovery. Thats what we need to do is get back to makeing goo= ds for us and exsport. I guess we just found out aftr all we can't depend o= n realastate to saport our econamey after the last 28 years. Jim Smith=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, keith beesley wrote: > > Hi Jim, their prices on everything are higher than they were a few years = ago, unfortunately, due to the weak U.S. dollar in relation to the yen. >=20 > Keith B.=A0 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: jim smith > To: am stereo forum =20 > Cc: jim smith =20 > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:45 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Sony SRF A300 $200 !!!! >=20=20 > Hi Gang=A0 WOW!!!! I had just click on the Sony SRF A300 link and Audio C= ubes wants $200 for that radio now.=A0 I=A0 am wondering if thay are gettin= g low on them now ? When i got mine about 7 years ago it was $100=A0 $117 = out the door! Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 02:06:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56172 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2012 10:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2012 10:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2012 10:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 10:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 10:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 10:06:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:06:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.73.188 From: "pdmtr" Subject: AM Stereo decoder IC from Toshiba X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=LIveZTdHIgWuV5QrVtEdi4-TLPvz-Xyw3O435jIA00c X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I'm looking for the datasheet or any tech information of the TOSHIBA TA2040= IC that is fitted inside the DENON TU1500 tuners for decoding CQUAM AM STE= REO. The IC is a 16 pin package and seems to be similar to the MC13028 but = not a drop in replacement of it.=20 Anyone out there that can help find the datasheet of it?=20 Please note that the part Nr "TA2040" is showing as a BTL AF power amplifie= r module if searched with Google, something that I have already done.=20 DENON TU 1500 is also an AM STEREO tuner but only available in Japan with t= he CQUAM decoder installed.=20 From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Jan 19 05:24:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93630 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2012 13:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2012 13:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f45.google.com) (209.85.215.45) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2012 13:24:48 -0000 X-Received: by lahj13 with SMTP id j13so1171250lah.18 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:24:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.114.169 with SMTP id jh9mr12535798lab.20.1326979486725; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:24:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.60.66 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:24:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:24:46 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.45 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=hySTK9k7RzaPLyLo2yt7hqPMMCH9odCQMpI8RVyagzG8wmpp X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jota, that makes sense, thanks. I think that if AM was done using Software Defined Radio (not SoDiRa because that is a de-modulator only), the delay would be negligible. The delay in digital radio is caused by the data rate reduction (compression computation) and the buffering at the receiver amongst other things. With DAB, the receiver actually receives an 'ensemble' when it is tuned to a frequency. This ensemble contains many interleaved channels so the channel you want to listen to needs to be extracted by de-multiplexing. This takes processing time and is quite wasteful because the receiver throws away all the information/sound relating to programs that you have not selected. Consequently, DAB radios use much more electricity which results in reduced battery time. The TX may need less power for the same coverage, but when you take the power consumption of the receivers into account, I'm not sure if digital is actually more environmentally friendly. Digital TV works in the same way (in terms of the multiplex). Toledo, the sound was recovered using demodulation software SoDiRa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 11:43:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86495 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2012 19:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2012 19:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm37-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.238.200) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2012 19:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm37.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 19:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.237] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 19:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2012 19:43:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 4654.74790.bm@omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 43965 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2012 19:43:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oBPVH5YVM1l04tdATyjJEQKHPzD3myHNcfZDhdHE5SeLpQv RoD1FWDSJLkqPLJ7gdeOr8GI1XHomev_cSQXCmdQqGk0RYAeIntEwh0RNFf4 CAOZoZ7eW8RiE1M325A5hg9VWpl8HH8IzzoVAKV5yXIcZXc2cgcjZy7HhNpe Wun9pYF4LNfC7kxNuVK1bGhroQcxTQLyhQ7KnqODHkHUkyDgWefwlsgI9pvM uGFwTga8LhFpNv2thGYKYra1DRv00xRHz2F_7FetoceBcfpriUPyAT7X0UaY TgzZS9BVhVSq85SfBJdX1v9JI94jk8Z4mvE0vtXWAq1R.adDf82PSS1dKK7W BLm_RK1zDFQexiD3E_MhDFVKPq.7qvhK2JYWRAY0E4BUwwRy_e6wB3wvrofm 80rAGtdU3YnMFrSdo786qC3JXUbWtI__4FDLmwx.WPQlKd6Wzb70Er5ScVBD RQZjHduuYoN5R.j_ZNhzw74x1I4zEOLA- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:43:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 Message-ID: <1327002180.36811.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:43:00 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 72.30.238.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: Try WBZ tonight - stereo or not? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=yCB5SQMOOrA-qIBdIjzt9PpuLIoClgi7GtxiSPd1mlTkqNswTFKfJ98 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Boys & Girls: I noticed that WBZ (WeBuZ) had their HD off last night. Forgot to check if the CQUAM is on IF they're using their backup transmitter! So, it's worth checking tonight if the old STEREO AM transmitter is running on WBZ, or a crippled HD transmitter is running. Report back later. 73 John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 19 16:15:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17020 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2012 00:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2012 00:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2012 00:15:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 00:15:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 00:15:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 00:15:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:15:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1327002180.36811.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.250.122 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Try WBZ tonight - stereo or not? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=XN8unlom4xnrD6xRpDpW_psILSZNO-e9ew-SgHeP4WTzKdl8XwrvuHJr_2rJNohBa1nq2CIT X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Speaking of HD radio being off KHTK AM 1140 Sacramento Ca has been= off for the last fue days. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: > > Hey Boys & Girls: > I noticed that WBZ (WeBuZ) had their HD off last night. Forgot to check i= f the CQUAM is on IF they're using their backup transmitter! > So, it's worth checking tonight if the old STEREO AM transmitter is runni= ng on WBZ, or a crippled HD transmitter is running. > Report back later. > 73 > John >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 02:18:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4760 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2012 10:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2012 10:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.213) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2012 10:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 10:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 10:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 10:18:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:18:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.73.188 From: "pdmtr" Subject: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=N55pyjx8PivT11n1zsqoaabESZfrnRvb_AKMIK1A4IQ X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > DAB radios use much more electricity which > results in reduced battery time. The TX may need less power for the same > coverage, but when you take the power consumption of the receivers into > account, I'm not sure if digital is actually more environmentally friendl= y. That's a VERY GOOD POINT !!! I think that should be made more known to peop= le, as this is in fact a REAL good standing point for defense of ALL analog= radio systems!!! For example one of the greatest benefits of AM radio, tha= t people seem to have forgotten, is that you can demodulate an AM signal ev= en WITHOUT consuming power!!! Just by using the incoming signal and a diode= !!!=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 06:54:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14122 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2012 14:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2012 14:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2012 14:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 14:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 14:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 14:54:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:54:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Paging CHRIS CUFF: was AM ST decoder IC Toshiba X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=muJVDaRSLGTn4GSclK0HEuQg8oEa5PU0_jWLBF_qZ6A1c8pyhZL-bF4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Chris Cuff had used Toshiba's back a while; perhaps he can get you a data s= heet. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > Hi=20 > I'm looking for the datasheet or any tech information of the TOSHIBA TA20= 40 IC that is fitted inside the DENON TU1500 tuners for decoding CQUAM AM S= TEREO. 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Same to D= RM on MW. I suppose that AM-stereo got the same radius as mono. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: pdmtr Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 20 januari 2012 11:18 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreami= n.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > DAB radios use much more electricity which > results in reduced battery time. The TX may need less power for the same > coverage, but when you take the power consumption of the receivers into > account, I'm not sure if digital is actually more environmentally friendl= y. That's a VERY GOOD POINT !!! I think that should be made more known to peop= le, as this is in fact a REAL good standing point for defense of ALL analog= radio systems!!! For example one of the greatest benefits of AM radio, tha= t people seem to have forgotten, is that you can demodulate an AM signal ev= en WITHOUT consuming power!!! Just by using the incoming signal and a diode= !!!=20 =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 21 18:58:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60019 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2012 02:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2012 02:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm5-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2012 02:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2012 02:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.120] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2012 02:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2012 02:58:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 208956.60149.bm@omp1025.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85580 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2012 02:58:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: I0z0o3wVM1n5zjF840UJ6mFIZp0b_I9cWLD4MrwgaFPU1B1 FE86OgEAIUbhXZ0zZXpbq_SR93TXCRKXO2HcrQmO8OZlNE5VoQ2vdoj_uf00 mQqp5s2LS9QS56TAK8LNSrSAL2XXKNOepheeLU6lyx97.BOxsLBOP6waxKp9 .bjKU8Rsjd14uPYYbzFRu1cRbjRyF6xwPKgHmSRobIlKSnqdfWFOH94jzlFH M1l2Yl_aYj9iujjHUu.vBDNGgar32vXcVF.JlSRqGhts8gSd5TGtWbiG87tL jIcNv5pFn1oZWrpbdsx1T7urrdrecoC6ieiohMdys1hFzxDIzwQ1.KTxECCx MImDfWGxtakCY8.B6d8n23WIsQ8F6nCLuv8yiovj5Bo4UFgyyedNUuZKADQc GlhKUVqyPZ3I17HF6GsAiuTN_OWF2ZOUx2VsyEN2TFp0SBmQvZrJ5FYqy X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@71.155.144.59 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2012 18:58:25 -0800 PST Message-ID: <5F7F0280B2B04E61BA4ED79CFF7050E9@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:58:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Gemini CD-110 Rack Mount CD player X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=48L0w3B2QJeXdol7iAfzb2WwBH84xAAFjeNxkTWM3j7X3TcubY-gZl7XqEEtaWrimAxvGDfm X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Is there any one interested in a rack mount CD player? The name is Gemini CD-110 player. It needs a little TLC but it dose work.!!! You guys with stations or audio files give me a e mail at jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net . Thanks all Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 22 14:17:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49313 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2012 22:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2012 22:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-01.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2012 22:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120122161632001010400011> for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:16:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F1C8AB8.3040204@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:16:24 -0600 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:16:32 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120122-1, 01/22/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Try WBZ tonight - stereo or not? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=WvZJM4hiugTMpCIpbTEvLDNHGqQ17ipIoVrqP2mtQSyQws-zHTCG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/19/2012 6:15 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang Speaking of HD radio being off KHTK AM 1140 Sacramento Ca has > been off for the last fue days. Jim Smith > I was out in CA this past week for my annual engineering summit at EMF Broadcasting (K-Love & Air-1 networks) and the engineer for GA and FL says that in his area WPAX still proudly announces they're broadcasting in AM stereo. Too bad it's on 1240- not much chance of DXing it. Scott Todd From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 23 19:09:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57587 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2012 03:09:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2012 03:09:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.161) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2012 03:09:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2012 03:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2012 03:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2012 03:09:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:09:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5F7F0280B2B04E61BA4ED79CFF7050E9@jim3slp85ju21o> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.51.198 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Gemini CD-110 Rack Mount CD player X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=oIeBhQssqxfGJKX3niOvOiUXKEwqJqTvg_34x_rWEasuTPmMwasr9hs0WabcoWh3xRE18WVI X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Well if nothing els some one can take the reack mount box and put = any thing you want in it.Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang Is there any one interested in a rack mount CD player? The name= is Gemini CD-110 player. It needs a little TLC but it dose work.!!! You g= uys with stations or audio files give me a e mail at jimsmith95650@... . Th= anks all Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 27 01:02:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79313 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 09:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 09:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.48) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 09:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 09:01:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 09:01:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 09:01:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:01:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1327082693.53897.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.147.139 From: "jim smith" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=iEOBTTypThCG4A6_qoQ-igmVwEspxsPuKsRa-R_YqDmKCgg81qWoTlIFINrsR3P_xZN_jREC X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Roy There was a long time rumor that AM STEREO had a shorter range than = AM mono. I had never seen that and i had been listening to AM MV radio for= a long time. AM HD Radio here in the U.S has a much shorter range than ana= log AM MV radio. Your right AM STEREO and AM mono has about the same range.= That has been my listening exsperants. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > A one kW FM has a coverage of f ex=C2=A0 50km, but a 200watts dab only go= t 20km radius course of drop outs. > 200watt dab is the same as 1 kW FM, but the coverage is the half. Same to= DRM on MW. > I suppose that AM-stereo got the same radius as mono. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: pdmtr > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: fredag, 20 januari 2012 11:18 > =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Drea= min.mp3 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrote= : > > DAB radios use much more electricity which > > results in reduced battery time. The TX may need less power for the sam= e > > coverage, but when you take the power consumption of the receivers into > > account, I'm not sure if digital is actually more environmentally frien= dly. >=20 > That's a VERY GOOD POINT !!! I think that should be made more known to pe= ople, as this is in fact a REAL good standing point for defense of ALL anal= og radio systems!!! For example one of the greatest benefits of AM radio, t= hat people seem to have forgotten, is that you can demodulate an AM signal = even WITHOUT consuming power!!! Just by using the incoming signal and a dio= de!!!=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Jan 27 01:08:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37648 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 09:08:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 09:08:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.219) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 09:08:01 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.208] by nm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 09:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.172] by tm1.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 09:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 09:07:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 946161.34601.bm@omp1013.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 26174 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2012 09:07:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1wS0mtMVM1kLuD_4AsK9LRczFtP8_3iJz0xUSooGS_1Rtt9 z2hiW1OwNnnRNXyknzu3L.rmUbc0sjsy1Qw_lZANnUEvraAx7LCbREuETPai 6eXBOjYSGWj1IffoYHYhYVyzRvnq__c2r.bOHQB9HeqMLCfcL_dkL0vAkKO5 X0FKUMjD2wx4n0MssDSrYcV08zkSbpxx4Jl1Uc29Sc2kJhOlvvo1bT0lxR8m HQcEodwyFt07FexIskyHLt7VAMNWcRaGsbXLjxsNeok_l6TALXXvVE_pVNSv VncgT5nGiHAj3aYa9MCSftkIHyHjLjSvOazoHdvhCCbNZE74KIFXNnXBahJQ pORZmwHUKcUXg.j.wbAz_r41EI72VzrX2w.Pli7CR3IkhR7KO5U6pf3YCihx g1gg3IAHvg66K5h80q9flntwO5rTB_uQYJTh2xMS5_IpxoNCazHOO.W3Lyhy gspMIgDnzbSrtJjARkDhUJZrHWilq0LbwMW8sdliOjpDPrBvEpCOX91vz7vm gZ2y6txL4L6JhCLuo7c7kG4lxN0K9vy75PQrCpor6gQRkPbOXbP5zDtX__Vc gDeDxtH_fpZjs2COOZ_yzrYsLFLteVo7Eh1xGRNPCxe12pn54R0NF2..oBK_ TF7Ihlq_P5aktcFd7jWRhnP8DXQ6b800W8souwEOa7OoUa7r2VxgwJRIIONC f238wxS5k7NvEOUltC4yL5HKaIB68fRpz_m1R3ZFsu2jWaPDV9WWyeT9nTwm xqBw_GpODU3zckunX0OCsb2qJVeXU7xAriQGi1sa_lYlRetyOqqQAvEFnhSv 62lB3dvaMUJCXLwyC.Q6kh4yDjCjzsd9C7lFA5TvINGPPO0_RlBLNe2uHtN8 TQOb8dhLjV.lQ0A6znrUxUqcWbgisTvR1rhfOezT_R4dXqpFFvcHvh06WoZp E5sCgcKag.8IBl2vOpDVzSnsBAANKpS4YmqSuWPx.OryO2n6FZWWKDNdbJhR TCLTb6TeTpBRsfR.n7eteAtXSRUev1SzkAwqkWDj6k.zUL9BOV1OSpsQazzA Or5lGPBRaTNz18QCs4gesuIZL6xyqfuBKzfqh6id4jcoySKN9wx1zNbw3xYy JIN9u.zdL3Q8S0OdF6i_Gi2puVvHas0HvMV16gxwe7B1oZ4ZHdfVCTXfX5BY KIJiwIqalXWM_Wkdm6.grj8j47xTIaOVeZnUcZtYLMKzRVFqqpYl8WQgxw4A uBrnF70ZCo_0O.3ZLR8leRIpHReJ6fS8PXXroDgsVC_F71tgQNeCKV0X4OBl cbLmgUdkaFVlMyZvfaNj9wy_xVHaIn2H1rtKWk5R6nuU1HcmRHvHsFfyx7Iq DU7BNzrdu71WunjycCVn.J8gjehppeYUmIHIb6r1Zv5GyE2jhAsGIMa4lynw OhWUL93wFAHXmU5XbjIuj7oA15KYt8P5p9mPnqtjfOq.1SXTSkSpuROfXU5K PXzRy_eliNBPPxBf6uZKCmNhlJfCB8_xAUEhVjSKu_0vq.Ru._yaQyx_zgGz mbM_gIM5rF3pMjpEJe0KAkCMtuvis0TCbWWcAHBfWDhpbr28yBB6Bqqm37Cf 2ZHJaTpbQJkcqE.QKH3pEh4vMPFzqVEyXyrPCR4pYCLpT790ykK4Z0zSJxJu 2bopxDhIL6b9zQvCyH9MxQbW9o3faMyPtNJlJy0G9hByo0Zb.V6DaAI4bPtE .XzkkhnlRgOX9rcaJXy.u3o82XvjqwajA8wFNUK6.iBj1FqR0P7f9.1R88pi 9_mXnPShPgycNs4U- X-Received: from [46.195.7.130] by web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:07:59 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <1327082693.53897.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327655279.11010.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:07:59 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=hOZYRng0rvw29hQFSjrP4XuVEL_xwI_lC6FFQwhDwkNqGPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have checked the German LW tx 177kHz 800kW=C2=A0here in the south of Swed= en wich is situated about 350km from my place. In analouge strong signal, b= ut when switched to DRM, no signal or whilest driving mostly drop-outs. I suppose it's the same with HD radio, 50% radius compared with analoug wic= h is more than 100%. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 27 januari 2012 10:01 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi Roy There was a long time rumor that AM STEREO had a shorter range than = AM mono. I had never seen that and i had been listening to AM MV radio for= a long time. AM HD Radio here in the U.S has a much shorter range than ana= log AM MV radio. Your right AM STEREO and AM mono has about the same range.= That has been my listening exsperants. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > A one kW FM has a coverage of f ex=C3=82=C2=A0 50km, but a 200watts dab o= nly got 20km radius course of drop outs. > 200watt dab is the same as 1 kW FM, but the coverage is the half. Same to= DRM on MW. > I suppose that AM-stereo got the same radius as mono. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: pdmtr > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: fredag, 20 januari 2012 11:18 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - Califo= rnia Dreamin.mp3 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrote= : > > DAB radios use much more electricity which > > results in reduced battery time. The TX may need less power for the sam= e > > coverage, but when you take the power consumption of the receivers into > > account, I'm not sure if digital is actually more environmentally frien= dly. >=20 > That's a VERY GOOD POINT !!! I think that should be made more known to pe= ople, as this is in fact a REAL good standing point for defense of ALL anal= og radio systems!!! For example one of the greatest benefits of AM radio, t= hat people seem to have forgotten, is that you can demodulate an AM signal = even WITHOUT consuming power!!! Just by using the incoming signal and a dio= de!!!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 03:22:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23844 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 11:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 11:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.141) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 11:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 11:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 11:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 11:22:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:22:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1327655279.11010.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.164.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.73.188 From: "pdmtr" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=vJzsz-Ukcap-N5ATWArDqmD1oKSQktncMnowVpdYtqU X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I have run some tests here, to help me draw a somewhat relative picture of = coverage with a transmitter at a specific output wattage at the same antenn= a, and working with the 3 modulation schemes I had available. So the transm= itter was tested for AM mono, AM CQUAM Stereo and finally DRM transmission!= I have followed a not so theoritical correct approach to run the tests, as= I have decided to run a real Linear amplifier that could developed a 600W = PEP without any noticable IMD or at least not out of its specs. The reason = was that by this way i had to check all modulation schemes in the same fina= l airwave PEP that was delivered by exactly the same RF system. So the syst= em delivered ~150W carrier for a clear 100% AM modulation, both on mono and= stereo (CQUAM with negative limiter circuitry applied). To workaround the= DRM modulation spectrum I had to readuced the so called average digital po= wer at a "carrier" level related to about 45W in regard to the 150W it coul= d deliver with analog AM. The antenna used was exactly the same, and it was= tuned on frequency, measured for phase distortion, etc, and had worked wit= h AM CQUAM for a long time.=20 The conclusion that I have made from those tests, is that the AM CQUAM for = some reason does better in coverage!!! releated to an exact same (in bandwi= dth) monophonic signal! Test for both of them was made using 8 receivers by= different makers. The 5 of them were AM STEREO from factory, the 2 were PI= ONEER & BECKER car radios, & 3 tuner the CARVER TX11A the DENON TU-680NAB, = and a TEAC T-30 that i think is an excellent AM STEREO receiver. The other = were an ICOM IC-PRC100 with SoDiRA software for the AM Stereo & DRM decodin= g on a laptop, another DRM receiver named TechniSat (can be seen at photos = folder of group in the 'DRM" file)that is also capable to receive AM mono s= tations and & 1 older monophonic tuner from JVC.=20 The comparison for mono and stereo AM transmission had also some feedback a= vailable by some people who own tuners for receiving CQUAM, a Sony ST-JX220= , and two Sherwood TDS130SB, at far distance locations.=20 I can say that CQUAM seems to go far better than standard mono AM signals, = or at least it can be decoded and provide the a "better receivable" feeling= even in the fringe area of an AM signal.=20 The DRM on my test, have not done so well! Yes it can be decoded in a recei= ver under heaby interference situations, but... but it didn't so better per= formance on coverage area, than even monophonic AM! IMHO it was even not ca= pable to cover the same area of it, without severious drop out of audio deo= oding in most places! Yes the AM mono was also weak at similar places... bu= t you could still hear the modulation information and be understanable by a= common listener! So what is the benefit, of dropping the audio output comp= letely for some time when reception of digital DRM signal is weak inside no= ise, instead of an AM mono signal that you can still listen and clarify the= information needed to hear, even if it is under some noise!=20 The test with DRM was doen with FULL DRM stereo encoding (with SBL AAC+) an= d keeping the same required bandwidth of its mask as it is supposed to be f= or replacing an AM mono station! By doing full AM STEREO DRM testing I had = the ability to compare also the stereo audio quality of it with the AM CQUA= M stereo quality! Well folks... sorry but it looked to me to much digitized= ... to accept it as a "Hi-Fi audio" if they try to call it that way! The an= alog AM stereo, IMHO does clearly a better job! Even in modulation bandwidt= hs less than 7KHz... AMS it is far better!!!=20 Yes the DRM in mono does better regarding quality than a mono narrow analog= AM! But... is that all it can offer and they do so much noise about it? We= ll I'm not sure if it's worth it, if all the talk is only about that after = all...=20 In Stereo mode is better than nothing of course (meaning vs monophonic AM)= ... but for someone that have listened to an AM Stereo analog transmission,= the use of DRM instead of it, as an "upgrade" of quality in MW band, is ou= t of question!!!=20 Haven't heard the so-called "HD AM IBOC" but from technical view seems to b= e too similar to the DRM... so I don't expect it to be a real better candid= ate for "upgrading" MW band!!! Sorry... :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi, > I have checked the German LW tx 177kHz 800kW=C2=A0here in the south of Sw= eden wich is situated about 350km from my place. In analouge strong signal,= but when switched to DRM, no signal or whilest driving mostly drop-outs. > I suppose it's the same with HD radio, 50% radius compared with analoug w= ich is more than 100%. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: fredag, 27 januari 2012 10:01 > =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California = Dreamin.mp3 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 > Hi Roy There was a long time rumor that AM STEREO had a shorter range tha= n AM mono. I had never seen that and i had been listening to AM MV radio f= or a long time. AM HD Radio here in the U.S has a much shorter range than a= nalog AM MV radio. Your right AM STEREO and AM mono has about the same rang= e. That has been my listening exsperants. Jim Smith >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > A one kW FM has a coverage of f ex=C3=82=C2=A0 50km, but a 200watts dab= only got 20km radius course of drop outs. > > 200watt dab is the same as 1 kW FM, but the coverage is the half. Same = to DRM on MW. > > I suppose that AM-stereo got the same radius as mono. > >=20 > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > HASDA-EUROPE > > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > >=20 > >=20 > > ________________________________ > > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: pdmtr > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Skickat: fredag, 20 januari 2012 11:18 > > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - Cali= fornia Dreamin.mp3 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wro= te: > > > DAB radios use much more electricity which > > > results in reduced battery time. The TX may need less power for the s= ame > > > coverage, but when you take the power consumption of the receivers in= to > > > account, I'm not sure if digital is actually more environmentally fri= endly. > >=20 > > That's a VERY GOOD POINT !!! I think that should be made more known to = people, as this is in fact a REAL good standing point for defense of ALL an= alog radio systems!!! For example one of the greatest benefits of AM radio,= that people seem to have forgotten, is that you can demodulate an AM signa= l even WITHOUT consuming power!!! Just by using the incoming signal and a d= iode!!!=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jan 27 05:14:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18243 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 13:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 13:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.216.178) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 13:14:46 -0000 X-Received: by qcsd17 with SMTP id d17so877759qcs.9 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:14:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.229.76.26 with SMTP id a26mr2496512qck.126.1327670086049; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:14:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m20sm15086138qaj.14.2012.01.27.05.14.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:14:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:14:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=NOTCgFqXtVDPTNHHDpKK5bRk2tbA98DRTryqCQqsvA9IH_Z9Lvk5B3ADUb6tDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 27, 2012, at 4:01 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Roy There was a long time rumor that AM STEREO had a shorter range than AM mono. And that was an out-rite LIE. AM Stereo, depending on the system used, can actually increase the range of an AM Station over standard Mono. > AM HD Radio here in the U.S has a much shorter range than analog AM MV radio. HD-Radio only has about 35% of the Range as Mono. That is why it is useless for smaller stations to use HD-Radio. When Local 1 KW 1490 WPCI Switched to HD, you had to be within 2 City Blocks of the Transmitter in order for it to decode. Just to compare, FM Stereo looses about 15% od the Analog Coverage Now the Kahn CAM-D Digital AM System is FAR Superior to HD-Radio. Not only does it sound better when properly decoded, it actually INCREASES the Range of the station by around 20% over Mono, and Mono Receivers still get the Full Fidelity sound on the Analog side and get the Longer Range too! Of course, the "Powers That Be" who have all of their $Money$ invested in HD are making sure CAM-D never makes it to the Mass Market. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Jan 27 06:16:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75581 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 14:15:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 14:15:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.250) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 14:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.209] by nm14.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 14:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.163] by tm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 14:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 14:15:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 446064.91846.bm@omp1004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 51841 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2012 14:15:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jKmpWRcVM1kaRh4ad47F7VYoq9KFjE5mJyO9p5sVUhddZq0 wz8N19piQJTmsXVih2kt6ddGjwE.tPEMhj6LbAUhfeqU6CxeC5TtfukOZFDO Ehtsxz01wOM91H19pke0Q3aEsZkmkwvpg_4trKdXQsZpu8aaGfub.IRUoRnR v3dUN7ulRHvF5vgM7as8vt2dDK8RKyaEGGZZfHQTvl3WXKgzGpAWEb615Fb1 _bWF_u7Y87mrMbyYRIiu6hMebsfRFxwnPpf3TB8DQLNtRfGJw5gDYYUI484j j_lp2OJ73ZFR_UHoWpXIlNiYmweKbM2qFT8T6FU1XBdoKdQX7uB1ppyWK5uY wEyfgTBH4jGh3it4AqRwIBbcjzIzMOCVJIkX6n4NZwiA3nB1RvVj_RjCyV21 I3VZP_GyR1A0_3D.DYfnK1mS6O6N68d71PWrXmbKYcxYSqbAIA52J8f4JBhK Ttsqz4ZxBcNR5hJYK204e8RebHfUgG0Oh9Fq6hT6thMJJcvy84jf2b93DpJG LoPzRPWa9SCJ1A7JlXoGaQKWbs2uJu1aQkcZmzwtLlLksXe2.F59vT2tQmaF yOkCXhCJ.AqxVgLvI5GUqQz0yXm6WxHsVBtyOtdxYRdWM8MB.LtDlqq_zNPp 9VxvL7GLYcYateVYBqaBPrAE5QBGvIoNXDXLGcI7MKpodPk97i54BpEOvU.q DAU.lg9PK79.EQXDS9tIetB.cTwqvn7Xlj_fjIOgyP7CnhytTNYlAkQldonn hH4a9wdMV7bMi2YyYKxGL3rhDrnDrYEMSTcTn.YveYTGhkBnWa_KhJHNHVZw FbS7HRNv_4MUe9AIbeA23m7pMpQL1ME3DhzehrqTVkOXzOi.r8IG_UhCkrO9 6pJOGCns9ulTbO7fBvDwSKPX7EkucM3UMSlxH4a97QN36fxRuv.WXEzvC9ED wDVicq8f7FyEFLnDK32LOcVmf_Bp7aSRLJ8I1NOXNv1ymvmPqDt1K20L4RWc SI_I4KKbZKeyc13HgEFLOtnOebNsbXe7sXGjfh4fJ9NBpiNk33CLqLhyCNCC fzxPG_tjixEQ_VuX55lN6wNRVISNR9ss3wzcIaiczlCJkp4sLRJHNFXMhwjc AXjJRHUJL6nRg.5eeFkSh6cHwskM0GlZqoC.95NPNG3zxHBtlvEq6TurZPUQ vZ5ueDsFGrq7nk5PsqkbgqMGdkLp2JRtfUbFwXtUHbW9ER5_1psf3apqbwXf erH7_3._9ce.WNqaa2_spqbLLi6WhmQBB1LHzr1TXzmkRcBo9mg3OebpX2uo 4xVLH8zeVbIwAGJGmLPhDX_r14aJdTEV4FSDyTNyt31PgYwoiRDaTfjLRphi GF_owJt.HVu8JQTBVcdR0l9wgpoR2ExC5ursbW9rtdHFl_2K7bFJyFxaDbDM 1Kgwk_UuWLsW9FP3RdBEq0cEuepk2Qe8D6c_L7STsUJGHb0B0RfvObnUO7Rv xEO3sbujYDqSc_h4cW92FDjJDx0.sAHFfHVOwO3FclRkORIPjaqGkQcNcD3o 9mhAgr47FIvsThTx68mzmokErIeV3pYo3yd02daq6aNFMDb1_GNvkMZJw9p0 YbGQY6J3i7WH3z0T2gUvqQacmh_GzTk2uFf5Wi1tJbO_EizaF1vzjeLHnHqs cFZ0_emGKJyiMx4YrR.Ap3NQQ4csCgiCQx9FLv2PbmEY2EMI_5JCU54Uw9c4 JV_E3aI7c.V.hmxtBd5KNCNAhFihp2EhqpfwSnjG6JfULKQh3dLhHTeY- X-Received: from [46.195.155.148] by web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:15:52 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: Message-ID: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:15:52 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=rQ_MFjf8WjO2G3oRMhirdlEb34pSaaNA4ThCWKVYq_U9A3g X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kevin, =C2=A0 correct AM; stereo got the same radius as am mono and the audio is even muc= he more better in stereo. Jus been intuch with swedish PTT and it can be open to tests in the x-band = for am stereo with a better bandwidth than standard =3D 4,5=C2=A0=C2=A0 kHz= .=C2=A0=C2=A0 9 or 12, or even 15 kHz. power 500watts. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 27 januari 2012 14:14 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 27, 2012, at 4:01 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Roy There was a long time rumor that AM STEREO had a shorter range tha= n AM mono. And that was an out-rite LIE. AM Stereo, depending on the system used, can = actually increase the range of an AM Station over standard Mono. > AM HD Radio here in the U.S has a much shorter range than analog AM MV ra= dio.=20 HD-Radio only has about 35% of the Range as Mono. That is why it is useless= for smaller stations to use HD-Radio. When Local 1 KW 1490 WPCI Switched t= o HD, you had to be within 2 City Blocks of the Transmitter in order for it= to decode. Just to compare, FM Stereo looses about 15% od the Analog Coverage Now the Kahn CAM-D Digital AM System is FAR Superior to HD-Radio. Not only = does it sound better when properly decoded, it actually INCREASES the Range= of the station by around 20% over Mono, and Mono Receivers still get the F= ull Fidelity sound on the Analog side and get the Longer Range too! Of course, the "Powers That Be" who have all of their $Money$ invested in H= D are making sure CAM-D never makes it to the Mass Market. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jan 27 06:26:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12807 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 14:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 14:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f54.google.com) (209.85.213.54) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 14:26:06 -0000 X-Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so999457yhf.27 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:26:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.153.226 with SMTP id f62mr10766415yhk.62.1327674362516; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:26:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k15sm13678332yhf.11.2012.01.27.06.26.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:26:01 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:25:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=jFJviYnVA8Au6Y-FECLpUTbZCu5L8lqdP7XgkaWp6Bz6TbF8trZZ1kx3zH7mLw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Jus been intuch with swedish PTT and it can be open to tests in the x-band for am stereo with a better bandwidth than standard = 4,5 kHz. 9 or > 12, or even 15 kHz. power 500watts. WOW! That is GREAT News! What frequency will you be on? The clearest X-Band freq for the US is 1610, because there are NO stations in the US on that frequency. The only thing we get there is 10 KW Caribbean Beacon. Of course, it they would let you sneak up to 1710, there is nothing legal up there. Sometimes I do get a Pirate on 1710 that is West of me. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Jan 27 08:45:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76546 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 16:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 16:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.177.100) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 16:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm23.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 16:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.43] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 16:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 16:45:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 355943.96679.bm@omp1028.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 1575 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2012 16:45:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dVamiqMVM1nNCq5y6abm6Lnkv6hvU8AtEjBVxsxONneNO_t T5lbQKwEVVqnBtmNI_KCwnJdd0AQLQZoY8ek.5CE97czua2BQPqTeeoaxdHn 9dA9B.NoFp7mrQqbKIrRdL2SUJt7NqMWCl7I68XE9QXgzHcZxPZbeOfa2Cj. zmSOk8TchMwKEnX9hVIkKtTAfrIxaTHxsm8lGLXWLdxxWDM4XWoGwV4FAbGf aeWcvGqjCyvZU2ZUnbz2oYATbR4.ZdhZds9cFg7vQX3rfHVAspIbLZ5vA8UG KpGV69_ZyT22gjZcr9osdNo_f0rasRReABJ062CRxtlLSSWSzVR.l2.qnCuE b9p4i8X1u.Wj.U8iePKTM38QbsiM_tT1uCQVixPT.Lq8Gk9dZQ6BhZFqKb_T tr9j9wVXdkOSbSgchxn3dT55xFngHUc6nhNZe16MAOdWm_zBQnYaqFHyBHmm eAmaDIOg8mR3ouOwG9fJUp5FbgaVVnW9yTeLnf4P9kjvoihDoltpelpWSG_3 4LI92nqVbSfAKoKQj5X6qAO5a094.akCrNb1H_Ymran4BGDdtmkOGawu7Q6d 7Jf8z6ptLywBAVFeUZcLy6am9gmyJQbV5cQCEWDji7LfhqVCCYTjx7Rsn9KR 15yrrG.3zrzQ9gK1JxzsWmCyNawwKIb4lvHi3Dx5lWKhlLo5ubWnjQY0LEK_ qAUdUdLheCoMpBDreojt_T2cA8wWFj8aCpROj8r7kua89lkV_pQHRcDzOUO9 XrbkP5bEx7ZmUkGSvu.wu62RINbk6lL02jK9E_EpzLVG.CnwRhWCZIQkYAPP YAM3vVGGyZhsv3s0oIGQOYoakgJTAuJfS5_DIqOIAulN5MSieMRDz5HUaPgy bok0nQEm82Pappgz4YWfCtmEh.6aBg0nvgncIocasx0udmqNZX.ZiXCfJg7e ZknJL4giFXvreNlnUBNKhzD1BBIrXPJpHYtHacI7T_LBv5TdS_mmOSziMLqD asBgh9BPRcSWniO4h1rFbyif1KHC5bJLYi4HnccXTayPL4QWMSy_ScZ_uEbj 1Vq5XjUU9QJHosVXO8pc.BXCL4HkjjBtLiiASEgTyiB1.Eq4Ogz32fKFEfnC t8CPaEJEISEPJv34mpVPMIee3N5pGxqo7xxQBS9WvuQZWDxo0OI7ZS1lIKXu XYbPUGEDzm9d07MI9_IAM01Ik705lMy_PBzqKej7KGHKgx8zJbrjQ4dJDNxn o4N7iU1kHvQl8hRPOZPPLRj29lf.YJF_UhicVSuuYfNrzSeDcWk6VpL_LBd4 aRBLRyu9yELP0j4Dyd.bKkLjxslE_61TRsGINfehs.8nT1V2FZxoLnoALusg k9zLg9kcOkTFS4w.FrcojRtg9.P37JfyzeZ5yF2bFBdVCb6OCtlMLn71oJcI e_e9144pJyCHR3M.vpNEZ7m_lVynx3.7TTix7xNIDeKBbeCq4crw4N5x1Tu3 QFfllrCdva50IndSu.JMZeEq5WRUtHld1eL4GP3_YuG4p3AwAcd2DiXZ6y7G TmHgMHNpb3Yvw3wQXYTXU0IQRwU0NbZOM80tL9bAcCRHkoR.14NHqM0wv85m lwmEsjCoFd1qNKhS6bt573ytlME6_MFgJdmix5sT7x.acmMSrs0hA6D9ZN6z e3GZAH4XsbPS7f3fDJkXx8f4zp0EuH5oJpEKXrRefCnIUdcN7ZpnDVBUqjAm yteV19sAgiZrVeQtdl3KdiFj4P1e5bNp__IGlEQWhGFj2cLaQKBsmC_8FxUq SfKSsHsI_d7G0wtN9wg-- X-Received: from [46.195.155.148] by web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:45:39 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:45:39 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.177.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=d6qVgYi1r_KEovtkJWc9f5LaJ19W_WVx521EaClGYXB7iAY X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable use the 9 kHz raster and 4,5 kHz audio like 1602 is the legal highest freq.= , next is 1611,1620,1629 etc. In the space of 1602-1710 is no service at al= l around Sweden or in Sweden, no maritime as it was before in the old times= . Most new mutibands radios got 1611-1710, but non stereo. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 27 januari 2012 15:25 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Jus been intuch with swedish PTT and it can be open to tests in the x-ban= d for am stereo with a better bandwidth than standard =3D 4,5 kHz. 9 or > 12, or even 15 kHz. power 500watts. WOW! That is GREAT News! What frequency will you be on? The clearest X-Band freq for the US is 1610,= because there are NO stations in the US on that frequency. The only thing = we get there is 10 KW Caribbean Beacon. Of course, it they would let you sn= eak up to 1710, there is nothing legal up there. Sometimes I do get a Pirat= e on 1710 that is West of me. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jan 27 08:56:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81813 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 16:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 16:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f171.google.com) (209.85.160.171) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 16:56:37 -0000 X-Received: by ghbf1 with SMTP id f1so22480324ghb.30 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:56:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.175.164 with SMTP id z24mr11562266yhl.84.1327683396850; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:56:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b7sm14484885yhm.0.2012.01.27.08.56.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:56:35 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:56:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <14BA0B45-A8A6-4121-B320-24EB82AFBACC@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Wju34VolpzniagrPTC5VaMR4C7opQ4TEeLc6cYhppMCjEwr_bGIHUxyoXPU5MQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 27, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > use the 9 kHz raster and 4,5 kHz audio like 1602 is the legal highest freq., next is 1611,1620,1629 etc. In the space of 1602-1710 is no service at all around Sweden or in Sweden, no maritime as it was before in the old times. > Most new mutibands radios got 1611-1710, but non stereo. Perhaps you can get 1620 and perhaps North American listeners will also get you. In North America, we have 10 KHz raster and 10 KHz Audio. That being said, I do limit my Audio at 810 KHz WQIZ and 730 KHz WLTQ to 5 KHz in order to be a good Neighbor to other Stations. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Jan 27 09:13:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13370 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 17:13:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 17:13:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.219) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 17:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.181] by nm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 17:13:17 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.182.86] by tm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 17:13:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 17:13:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 185151.10573.bm@omp1036.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 1310 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2012 17:13:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LTrOShMVM1knL4E748yC_C_FtkeQQ.53V8D_292gP64.t3j ewCFUGAaib8ozIWqhewj9.hlTQ1Y3hzfxyn61WUA7B6e_IKZ5NwXO6zs8VuA HKW1_IjcPE2K5j3DRp3gLyaYYseHzRDa16b3o8rh.n8x3BvhdSAh9FzQOg.q lLJTBGSN1m8hPOzW.Vl9FlzcT.A7040TgC667LELfGgY_q5OFeOjquGbridi bthf0ctvvB2HXvGQIM_rfBxLHp8LlOMsiH6T5I34949JUPpfh5Hay3dI1jKo ktnyDSx0ZaqGcUJkHvzXJYuqW3gpvdZTmVHwO8RL.zL9ZOiuPopJKO0O9acG TZwV._KumaxTIeY.feWkG8TXjM7TXi6t4sz_g9aYCSt48SU1MVtDQBU8iivo 0tnwMPj6uxZUpKTAs6BBD3DPEY.ALZlsQ5Mbw_j9BHQc2DIYL5vsQV3A8GW2 mFm_U_ovkz9AePx4BlPqY7LgzgZN5DjruhCz5zu_gsk7yBm6Xx1LGaQRhrcz tCIg7SNiJnqQeTe1EPeppdYqQWp4NZOfOcyrkey2rLyp7u86Ag6PjsAXmPsh wGOIUtN_1ewaHewbJLpcjP5ovtHejREklHPs.HG2xsCfNXepS8XTXnNa.Vtr VUMmfzrN2VJSma_.kvT8D18jROkReIMrI475hvbgVm1iHriyOZ8866wz96AD 76USko9DffQrElwgYhbYgrKaRuljKp1WsvmJFGMTpdbhSg_UCFoM.a9sNfYh mAW.4asWK823KkFpoMpZjfx5IV.T_YugG8dOzOoNk0jxEN9fzqnxd_RzYNcF Z1lczc2BasEP9G3LIe.qvpDsM3TjkNPZSTHzIbuV6Ij5G.7sW.8Vwy.bF88D dCumHLTWaBZk1jUu5_B_g55nbkGcIhrXQU9uPWHQIz.1EfgzBpzqbJ8nutE5 aY3suCISgKKuj0lB76VaWMd36MVfvuxFOeZ5fll73F0F0QU_EMbrcx5ZxrHi dmMvAHOH0axKKsANb0n72PREZRNIAYjMg4CDdt3rYmZWctwEzss7ciSr1sko RUDYGLm5XzyCQFeU0v1b0fckdfFuatigqtssMLsmKJsakng1oxLwdpU.Acmm E..kTDuaSutVSk.Lg.qVC1Gt_yu4eoG.QuOYJ1lk2GtB4ILNKL_33NDhwcn7 qjZ_xtewjkITs96HqQC9.O55HD3SYlDP6H0owAOO1wHqmc2CRyqdW.cQrrsl wurMknPGAdzlxlq8xq_b1q.2jGs9ZF6BbWm70cH2OabOa83YRXpubJr8KQIi TYammXcCVw_Y.qnmz6kQsyVF1TkuVtaAWIPAnOJ2oYY4wIqYIsd6yJGdQw7x YylPODaCRsliAjFXNTKb9KnLcRU0hucR7.UMd5O7oZxwA6K4E0PkHyyXL1iX msnptkzm1JRSmdz6txGjAUOqSQzuHVMzXLh6LsQYtnxhXBw2E_L3XE6KIs1P DSwJ71gAFAgO3vDwkPamQ19fZJrzWPV9JfHc8Br9V89TCE8w- X-Received: from [46.195.155.148] by web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:13:16 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <14BA0B45-A8A6-4121-B320-24EB82AFBACC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1327684396.196.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:13:16 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <14BA0B45-A8A6-4121-B320-24EB82AFBACC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=_CH1bCoJ1MigZS4zaiaHBsi08wBnaxmleVUzgbcftkM_6SU X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, lot of pirates in Holland, Greece, Balkan nowadays. =C2=A0 Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 27 januari 2012 17:56 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 27, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > use the 9 kHz raster and 4,5 kHz audio like 1602 is the legal highest fre= q., next is 1611,1620,1629 etc. In the space of 1602-1710 is no service at = all around Sweden or in Sweden, no maritime as it was before in the old tim= es. > Most new mutibands radios got 1611-1710, but non stereo. Perhaps you can get 1620 and perhaps North American listeners will also get= you. In North America, we have 10 KHz raster and 10 KHz Audio. That being said, I do limit my Audio at 810 KHz WQIZ and 730 KHz WLTQ to 5 = KHz in order to be a good Neighbor to other Stations. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jan 27 09:30:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61592 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 17:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 17:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f182.google.com) (209.85.160.182) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 17:30:32 -0000 X-Received: by ghbg15 with SMTP id g15so1008676ghb.13 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:30:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.157.10 with SMTP id n10mr12060211yhk.41.1327685432059; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:30:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm5225725anv.10.2012.01.27.09.30.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:30:31 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:30:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327684396.196.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <14BA0B45-A8A6-4121-B320-24EB82AFBACC@gmail.com> <1327684396.196.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6D4C591F-DA40-4ED9-B341-F7749A852FD8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=0e_i9oyO8n4RW7NNN-JB5HZziEPfFvyokvfX8QAyrZSk49FdZRjPu94bi6rHbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 27, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > lot of pirates in Holland, Greece, Balkan nowadays. We also have TONs of Pirates on FM and a few on AM and Shortwave. It seems that for every Pirate the FCC (The United States Radio Regulation Authority is the Federal Communications Commission) Busts, 10 more come on the air to replace it. There is talk of "Sunsetting" Analog FM Radio like they did for TV. If that happens, Analog Pirates will rule the air. The Fines for having a Pirate are stiff, up to $10,000 US Dollars for the first offense and it goes higher for repeat offenders. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 09:58:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98153 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 17:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 17:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.81) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 17:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 17:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.49] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 17:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 17:58:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 296424.19884.bm@omp1049.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 25110 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2012 17:58:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SMms244VM1mDGK3_ZDVig4iBmlJ0yMjTulUq5UvB7InORFW JF6Uob6SsqpJNH.MV_eafTccOTALnW8.7RSBiAILUIQ6bgoaTn7YMnXW5ZL7 CDEFV1fAlVFziJYVgRMblvo207pIE_Ebp.v2MPPbEGIHnDZJVtABeu_WFiUL YSRdZ087nUt2pW7qqi7PfbwVe_5mLXif5RDjFXCI6O8peEw9wYlZoIxmkpwV uYs5j.3FpEiLPbZCZmmbHK2CVtXueiXN87YYM9j1NOGVrwauTFX87wF1dUOe RFzHE9p8vcGk9irdixleFqJgB_z6KnvmlQL.SBOWYOXLZHI90WK4Ex6D5B9O skZvnjzDhtb9LaxocRAS_T3uWfZvVEncx76vV4E1EXwhrv9Ll0omMdQSStBN 6M6g.yDIglPzG1kEcpQzfofIGPdeWkm_.9Oql.tKROmRm7WL1G98eHDiPE1p LU3fetyoZuOOdo6B0llfstRF9CxKP.tQ91iLxnKdDjUrioZfcnFbDjVmBaXQ Tq3Gp1ZNK X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:58:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 Message-ID: <1327687133.19889.YahooMailClassic@web112003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:58:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Range of AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7M7T8ImtxISRYt0pOEfKAEKxS1TpDzuwtwXimKjHwnE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Then something was wrong somewhere. WCOS 1400 , Columbia, SC did 10 miles w= ith no problems. =A0 =A0 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 1/27/12, Kevin Raper wrote: On Jan 27, 2012, at 4:01 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Roy There was a long time rumor that AM STEREO had a shorter range tha= n AM mono. And that was an out-rite LIE. AM Stereo, depending on the system used, can = actually increase the range of an AM Station over standard Mono. > AM HD Radio here in the U.S has a much shorter range than analog AM MV ra= dio.=20 HD-Radio only has about 35% of the Range as Mono. That is why it is useless= for smaller stations to use HD-Radio. When Local 1 KW 1490 WPCI Switched t= o HD, you had to be within 2 City Blocks of the Transmitter in order for it= to decode. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 10:02:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20403 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 18:02:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 18:02:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm28.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.98) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 18:02:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm28.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 18:02:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.53] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 18:02:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 18:02:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 219233.96433.bm@omp1053.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 98430 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2012 18:02:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dYOn6FYVM1lnXRM71idnkNXJqoJlo3bAjbtQIQPylVqHAkF .8EGd0H9ZJxRcKbHjAWhVjL23BA6ScJbbXNMmt08ipctjXOsILiTUn10UZ0x UK748bby2em3OmeYCwtlr28vZmF_NYhe53lnNCjI95Cb2ag__kcQgUIZIxeb .cuJf9rjRDHy7sAHWslgrwkO.f3FWQbY5PSKyaKIRvMdQn5K2hPQeMD5eB9. 59QrUhmcdTMoxDZcFBSCZbqbb8RpW2j1.fdcPYGUlxP4VezPCqoBjdIG4tJA .I5LR8QVnINdxs8TAPL3XT5AHlkvze4YQ3WOqxjNNk8bnO9_5NlRFK6dbKof 2veGCG.6xWTEsw_0sQ5fnJLsEP5bx5jZzu6h5BnPwZLA4kg.RMsp8Wrs6KXZ HVmIENLh4TdzQ9Ev3FixhHGD8CcsdlKunsgiDEZ1kN4n6HwhLNZV5pMxuqzG iTPcM4_kOGVl9 X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:02:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 Message-ID: <1327687323.77174.YahooMailClassic@web112002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:02:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1327687133.19889.YahooMailClassic@web112003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Range of AM HD & FM HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=0tOmZI57Tb5B2cbzTxUDOW4CqdGpqTuKofGM3HvA99U X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For FM the HD power is only 1%. There are attempts to raise it. On AM it is= a fraction of the analog power.=A0 No WONDER it doesn't go far, and on bot= h, there has to be *NO* interference on both sidebands to decode at ANY dis= tance.=A0=20 =A0 Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Jan 27 10:36:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6657 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 18:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 18:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 18:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q0RIaOaI014376 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:36:24 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.9]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 836F0E00008E for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:36:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20afc.33137f43.3c5448a8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:36:24 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448699936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4f22eea818a0 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=D4mVmf8aJux0y9eqhDmAQIyJ4AivIfs4CIx7NiZT0rvETr0mNq5j X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 1/27/2012 11:56:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: That being said, I do limit my Audio at 810 KHz WQIZ and 730 KHz WLTQ to 5 KHz in order to be a good Neighbor to other Stations. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ I can confirm that both WQIZ 810 and WLTQ 730 are very clean as received at my location on Hilton Head Island, SC daytime. From what I can hear WLTQ seems to have a better high-end frequency response compared to WQIZ. I don't know if that is due to differences in the transmitters used or the audio-chain/audio feed used? WLTQ seems a bit stronger here in the daytime also. It could be because their transmitter is located nearer to the coast. Both stations seem to have good groundwave coverage being in the lower end of the broadcast band. There are a lot of religious AM broadcasters here in South Carolina! 73 - Todd WD4NGG From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jan 27 12:48:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27317 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 20:48:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 20:48:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f182.google.com) (209.85.161.182) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 20:48:58 -0000 X-Received: by ggnk5 with SMTP id k5so320171ggn.41 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:48:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.128.205 with SMTP id f53mr13304695yhi.111.1327697337446; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:48:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g32sm22958526ann.19.2012.01.27.12.48.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:48:55 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:48:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20afc.33137f43.3c5448a8@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20afc.33137f43.3c5448a8@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=K4mXvMPTcdAp5s05Shaw1MKaq6uGH8ELOwDZIbPgpM9ZAWHEjXOSMbEJLHX8WQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 27, 2012, at 1:36 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > I can confirm that both WQIZ 810 and WLTQ 730 are very clean as received at > my location > on Hilton Head Island, SC daytime. Kewl! Is your Addy on QRZ Good? I will send you bumper stickers and a Confirmation Letter for both stations. > From what I can hear WLTQ seems to have > a better high-end > frequency response compared to WQIZ. I don't know if that is due to > differences in the > transmitters used or the audio-chain/audio feed used? WLTQ has MUCH better equipment than WQIZ. WQIZ has a Consumer TVRO Satellite Receiver into a Consumer Computer for Automation into a VERY Tired Harris Gatesway 80 Board into an Optimod 9200 into a Harris Gates 5 Transmitter. It was put together long before I worked there, and there just isn't the funds to upgrade the equipment. WLTQ is being fed from our Greer Studios using Barix Boxes going into an Optimod 9200 into a Nautel XR-6 Transmitter with a BE AM1A as the Aux Transmitter. WCKI has the Transmitter on site with the Studio and has the audio being fed to an 1990 Vintage CRL AM-4 Audio Processor into an Armstrong X-1000B Transmitter. > WLTQ seems a bit stronger here in the daytime also. It could be because > their transmitter > is located nearer to the coast. WLTQ's Tower and Ground System is located in the Middle of the Salt Water Marsh between John's Island and the Mainland. You just can't get a better Ground then 120 1/4 Wave Copper radials buried in the sand of a Salt Water Marsh! > Both stations seem to have good groundwave > coverage > being in the lower end of the broadcast band. WQIZ would be much better with proper repairs to the Ground System. > There are a lot of religious AM broadcasters here in South Carolina! They don't call it the "Bible Belt" for nothing! There are only 3 Catholic Stations on the air in South Carolina and we own all 3 of 'em. We also have an FM Construction Permit in the Augusta Market. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Jan 27 13:04:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17086 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2012 21:04:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2012 21:04:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 21:04:31 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q0RL4T3J027219 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:04:29 -0500 X-Received: from core-mge003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 85FDDE000090 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:04:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47009.28f4500e.3c546b5d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:04:29 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467086368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb4f23115d07ca X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=bVT7MbTQABaP_R_TmYx4qVXbjax5Y5RFP0tUhONmAdCqmB3ZsqwV X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Thanks very much for the rundown on WLTQ 730 and WQIZ 810 equipment. Sounds like a great antenna and ground location for WLTQ! I should have known WLTQ was running a Nautel solid state box - beautiful audio! It would be fine if you could send me some bumper stickers and a confirmation letter for my reception report. My address is good in QRZ for WD4NGG, thanks! Reception noted about 1800UTC on Hilton Head Island, SC. 01/27/12. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 1/27/2012 3:49:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: On Jan 27, 2012, at 1:36 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > I can confirm that both WQIZ 810 and WLTQ 730 are very clean as received at > my location > on Hilton Head Island, SC daytime. Kewl! Is your Addy on QRZ Good? I will send you bumper stickers and a Confirmation Letter for both stations. WLTQ has MUCH better equipment than WQIZ. WQIZ has a Consumer TVRO Satellite Receiver into a Consumer Computer for Automation into a VERY Tired Harris Gatesway 80 Board into an Optimod 9200 into a Harris Gates 5 Transmitter. It was put together long before I worked there, and there just isn't the funds to upgrade the equipment. WLTQ is being fed from our Greer Studios using Barix Boxes going into an Optimod 9200 into a Nautel XR-6 Transmitter with a BE AM1A as the Aux Transmitter. WCKI has the Transmitter on site with the Studio and has the audio being fed to an 1990 Vintage CRL AM-4 Audio Processor into an Armstrong X-1000B Transmitter. WLTQ's Tower and Ground System is located in the Middle of the Salt Water Marsh between John's Island and the Mainland. You just can't get a better Ground then 120 1/4 Wave Copper radials buried in the sand of a Salt Water Marsh! From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jan 27 17:14:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34048 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 01:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 01:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f169.google.com) (209.85.161.169) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 01:14:16 -0000 X-Received: by ggnr5 with SMTP id r5so581057ggn.0 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:14:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.10.8 with SMTP id n8mr4204407ani.86.1327713255606; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:14:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d5sm24693415anm.22.2012.01.27.17.14.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:14:14 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:14:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: <47009.28f4500e.3c546b5d@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <47009.28f4500e.3c546b5d@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=wlb3KoluMDJgdiE1Pc0OaSzPN3gANTnqeF5Y04_YsU-fAqAOHcDVKxsFIkfnbg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > Thanks very much for the rundown on WLTQ 730 and WQIZ 810 equipment. Sounds > like a great > antenna and ground location for WLTQ! Yes and we are only a few feet from WLTQ's original location from 1946. The owners before us had moved the station all over the Charleston area. > I should have known WLTQ was running > a > Nautel solid state box - beautiful audio! Yes, Nautel makes my favorite AM box, so I griped and BEGGED the Bean Counters to buy that Transmitter. When you flip back and forth between 810 and 730, you can hear why I don't like Harris AM Transmitters. > It would be fine if you could send me some bumper stickers and a > confirmation letter > for my reception report. My address is good in QRZ for WD4NGG, thanks! > Reception noted about 1800UTC on Hilton Head Island, SC. 01/27/12. OK, I will try to take care of that when I get to WCKI Monday Morning. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 28 00:03:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32541 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 08:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 08:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.95) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 08:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 08:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.244.51] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 08:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 08:03:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 254399.64634.bm@smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: mMmnBhEVM1miCSAbcWVNZ9mw4XVfZVq2hA4DsuWQLRDZy.x ZahK5ZRsZYo.uNqR70O4jxAgvwfqHziY4LoGnKD3GstrQcZ1Pj2wptyoFThL 7A03hMPf8duf7KtZBSVcwvubPojf7PPNwXglRh3jtvQHN1z7OWagy3sK2yEC 8NV1rcpFXIiICFFbxu1vX4uD8zzUw86aHKr7BHjJOuxjmt_iN4.bHzhxmTm_ pRFlYZ1YtcRzxQMaLABWFnh20K2gQy4dGjij5W4MXNhldK7_ohVh6_GQvPKX iszXl5.NA2dAkv3ghxC.MLXkii1QuD1POD1dBWTFaLzniumFUQuAVRL7XFd4 LQfNJU_8EUrdFJr0XmU05Hfsb.6zNvwugrzV.9wYxH7kJ86EiMxR5s8u51Iu ct.HthEjQDn_l8jRDNcKguI9ZB.ebrRItfXB1PER0uLLnNdYD6p4T3s67rsq _TaYZyaFJ6.XmJXnMdvXXS_7MLqEAta6NQg08vf3koQxkvhAEkcNXDMTzSt8 qI2MR71uQgipJvU.P3w3c60H3qENNMDJ6J3WDZIJK3yyw2WiPSPH2.sXCydW rusgk_lbaghWh7oog5td0bviAd0HAskDngBdU.XQ1C4W47OYQ5joV9OtXfKc - X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@71.155.151.154 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 00:03:02 -0800 PST Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:03:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=v-jhExHuD1LKVMI7lPWFZiX2Pwu52W7jTRP08cWSAKMjQ3cG0xxr85_vFAbb7rW0xpMk2SKD X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sotiris AM HD IBOC sounds like crap. I miss C-QuAM AM STEREO greatly. = Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: pdmtr=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:22 AM Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20=20=20 Hi=20 I have run some tests here, to help me draw a somewhat relative picture o= f coverage with a transmitter at a specific output wattage at the same ante= nna, and working with the 3 modulation schemes I had available. So the tran= smitter was tested for AM mono, AM CQUAM Stereo and finally DRM transmissio= n! I have followed a not so theoritical correct approach to run the tests, = as I have decided to run a real Linear amplifier that could developed a 600= W PEP without any noticable IMD or at least not out of its specs. The reaso= n was that by this way i had to check all modulation schemes in the same fi= nal airwave PEP that was delivered by exactly the same RF system. So the sy= stem delivered ~150W carrier for a clear 100% AM modulation, both on mono a= nd stereo (CQUAM with negative limiter circuitry applied). To workaround th= e DRM modulation spectrum I had to readuced the so called average digital p= ower at a "carrier" level related to about 45W in regard to the 150W it cou= ld deliver with analog AM. The antenna used was exactly the same, and it wa= s tuned on frequency, measured for phase distortion, etc, and had worked wi= th AM CQUAM for a long time.=20 The conclusion that I have made from those tests, is that the AM CQUAM fo= r some reason does better in coverage!!! releated to an exact same (in band= width) monophonic signal! Test for both of them was made using 8 receivers = by different makers. The 5 of them were AM STEREO from factory, the 2 were = PIONEER & BECKER car radios, & 3 tuner the CARVER TX11A the DENON TU-680NAB= , and a TEAC T-30 that i think is an excellent AM STEREO receiver. The othe= r were an ICOM IC-PRC100 with SoDiRA software for the AM Stereo & DRM decod= ing on a laptop, another DRM receiver named TechniSat (can be seen at photo= s folder of group in the 'DRM" file)that is also capable to receive AM mono= stations and & 1 older monophonic tuner from JVC.=20 The comparison for mono and stereo AM transmission had also some feedback= available by some people who own tuners for receiving CQUAM, a Sony ST-JX2= 20, and two Sherwood TDS130SB, at far distance locations.=20 I can say that CQUAM seems to go far better than standard mono AM signals= , or at least it can be decoded and provide the a "better receivable" feeli= ng even in the fringe area of an AM signal.=20 The DRM on my test, have not done so well! Yes it can be decoded in a rec= eiver under heaby interference situations, but... but it didn't so better p= erformance on coverage area, than even monophonic AM! IMHO it was even not = capable to cover the same area of it, without severious drop out of audio d= eooding in most places! Yes the AM mono was also weak at similar places... = but you could still hear the modulation information and be understanable by= a common listener! So what is the benefit, of dropping the audio output co= mpletely for some time when reception of digital DRM signal is weak inside = noise, instead of an AM mono signal that you can still listen and clarify t= he information needed to hear, even if it is under some noise!=20 The test with DRM was doen with FULL DRM stereo encoding (with SBL AAC+) = and keeping the same required bandwidth of its mask as it is supposed to be= for replacing an AM mono station! By doing full AM STEREO DRM testing I ha= d the ability to compare also the stereo audio quality of it with the AM CQ= UAM stereo quality! Well folks... sorry but it looked to me to much digitiz= ed... to accept it as a "Hi-Fi audio" if they try to call it that way! The = analog AM stereo, IMHO does clearly a better job! Even in modulation bandwi= dths less than 7KHz... AMS it is far better!!!=20 Yes the DRM in mono does better regarding quality than a mono narrow anal= og AM! But... is that all it can offer and they do so much noise about it? = Well I'm not sure if it's worth it, if all the talk is only about that afte= r all...=20 In Stereo mode is better than nothing of course (meaning vs monophonic AM= )... but for someone that have listened to an AM Stereo analog transmission= , the use of DRM instead of it, as an "upgrade" of quality in MW band, is o= ut of question!!!=20 Haven't heard the so-called "HD AM IBOC" but from technical view seems to= be too similar to the DRM... so I don't expect it to be a real better cand= idate for "upgrading" MW band!!! Sorry... :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi, > I have checked the German LW tx 177kHz 800kW=C2 here in the south of Sw= eden wich is situated about 350km from my place. In analouge strong signal,= but when switched to DRM, no signal or whilest driving mostly drop-outs. > I suppose it's the same with HD radio, 50% radius compared with analoug= wich is more than 100%. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: fredag, 27 januari 2012 10:01 > =C3"mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California = Dreamin.mp3 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C2=20=20 >=20 > Hi Roy There was a long time rumor that AM STEREO had a shorter range t= han AM mono. I had never seen that and i had been listening to AM MV radio = for a long time. AM HD Radio here in the U.S has a much shorter range than = analog AM MV radio. Your right AM STEREO and AM mono has about the same ran= ge. That has been my listening exsperants. Jim Smith >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > A one kW FM has a coverage of f ex=C3,=C2 50km, but a 200watts dab o= nly got 20km radius course of drop outs. > > 200watt dab is the same as 1 kW FM, but the coverage is the half. Sam= e to DRM on MW. > > I suppose that AM-stereo got the same radius as mono. > >=20 > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > HASDA-EUROPE > > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > >=20 > >=20 > > ________________________________ > > Fr=C3f=C2=A5n: pdmtr > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Skickat: fredag, 20 januari 2012 11:18 > > =C3f=E2?zmne: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - Californ= ia Dreamin.mp3 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =C3,=C2=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli w= rote: > > > DAB radios use much more electricity which > > > results in reduced battery time. The TX may need less power for the= same > > > coverage, but when you take the power consumption of the receivers = into > > > account, I'm not sure if digital is actually more environmentally f= riendly. > >=20 > > That's a VERY GOOD POINT !!! I think that should be made more known t= o people, as this is in fact a REAL good standing point for defense of ALL = analog radio systems!!! For example one of the greatest benefits of AM radi= o, that people seem to have forgotten, is that you can demodulate an AM sig= nal even WITHOUT consuming power!!! Just by using the incoming signal and a= diode!!!=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Sat Jan 28 00:44:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2306 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 08:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 08:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.93) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 08:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.217] by nm17.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 08:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.32] by tm10.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 08:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 08:44:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 738266.24932.bm@omp1021.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 42053 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2012 08:44:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Gun8NJsVM1k.bXlZRvQU0dYTefZr0Ks_p8ExI5jGSapa8wj R8mc8EJkSKsjOYGcqkZK60ffBV.CFmFVBdsYLjC62_KTOmHqRouP.mmRr3J6 4S8EXCHwqc9brDZ2eI_7tpjGkSIHd6q.1uAEyQxXQkDp9eYtRSa96EcUSbQh 7lqJOf_I1FUFnocNqEIMQtnyDE_lBse_52MCSDljvCJr8nghVn_h70EB6aTi aFBfC__JDl0d7Ceb3Ll_O6KzRq6juLEckOZLTWY25WeDJS0JXXg.CoD7riij m7B.EuMOcr5653tqhEtI1UotQaj9Ps5CKDX8hxghXE8vRNwS6MuKKjeLAgpZ .jI1RYvZ_Y8eRK0oPbi2XvEAkcLRrtvlI_uY5PxBW1NV_sAKOkizYP4znAsz 09b1gCfkEYhe8tZWI208.gYVfnT3KKzey_fMYfnQ6VV2_4ZzHj0jdOxlNSoC 7hHzLd9gKphVFHbvgFpqab5ql_7sT1KwfnRFhod_ZvmSyWRLJOiFEIjlMACn tV9dU1aWNJX9kZPo6WZ4HVo2vWKg6slYD4kJjC_Q3F0uzhgs0cWsVG.a538N T.hViGHIXhi8Y X-Received: from [46.195.150.190] by web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:44:23 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: Message-ID: <1327740263.41701.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:44:23 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=iPWzaNZgNB81WfB5m8-7CF_yCmApUl5MSc76D4EZbreiE8A X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sotiris, you do the am stereo TX wich can handle 9 kHz, 12 kHz and 15 kHz audio. Pow= ers 20 watt - 500watts?? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Kopia: jim smith =20 Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 28 januari 2012 9:03 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi Sotiris AM HD IBOC sounds like crap. I miss C-QuAM AM STEREO greatly. = Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: pdmtr=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:22 AM Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Drea= min.mp3 Hi=20 I have run some tests here, to help me draw a somewhat relative picture of = coverage with a transmitter at a specific output wattage at the same antenn= a, and working with the 3 modulation schemes I had available. So the transm= itter was tested for AM mono, AM CQUAM Stereo and finally DRM transmission!= I have followed a not so theoritical correct approach to run the tests, as= I have decided to run a real Linear amplifier that could developed a 600W = PEP without any noticable IMD or at least not out of its specs. The reason = was that by this way i had to check all modulation schemes in the same fina= l airwave PEP that was delivered by exactly the same RF system. So the syst= em delivered ~150W carrier for a clear 100% AM modulation, both on mono and= stereo (CQUAM with negative limiter circuitry applied). To workaround the = DRM modulation spectrum I had to readuced the so called average digital pow= er at a "carrier" level related to about 45W in regard to the 150W it could deliver with analog AM. The antenna used was exactly the same, an= d it was tuned on frequency, measured for phase distortion, etc, and had wo= rked with AM CQUAM for a long time.=20 The conclusion that I have made from those tests, is that the AM CQUAM for = some reason does better in coverage!!! releated to an exact same (in bandwi= dth) monophonic signal! Test for both of them was made using 8 receivers by= different makers. The 5 of them were AM STEREO from factory, the 2 were PI= ONEER & BECKER car radios, & 3 tuner the CARVER TX11A the DENON TU-680NAB, = and a TEAC T-30 that i think is an excellent AM STEREO receiver. The other = were an ICOM IC-PRC100 with SoDiRA software for the AM Stereo & DRM decodin= g on a laptop, another DRM receiver named TechniSat (can be seen at photos = folder of group in the 'DRM" file)that is also capable to receive AM mono s= tations and & 1 older monophonic tuner from JVC.=20 The comparison for mono and stereo AM transmission had also some feedback a= vailable by some people who own tuners for receiving CQUAM, a Sony ST-JX220= , and two Sherwood TDS130SB, at far distance locations.=20 I can say that CQUAM seems to go far better than standard mono AM signals, = or at least it can be decoded and provide the a "better receivable" feeling= even in the fringe area of an AM signal.=20 The DRM on my test, have not done so well! Yes it can be decoded in a recei= ver under heaby interference situations, but... but it didn't so better per= formance on coverage area, than even monophonic AM! IMHO it was even not ca= pable to cover the same area of it, without severious drop out of audio deo= oding in most places! Yes the AM mono was also weak at similar places... bu= t you could still hear the modulation information and be understanable by a= common listener! So what is the benefit, of dropping the audio output comp= letely for some time when reception of digital DRM signal is weak inside no= ise, instead of an AM mono signal that you can still listen and clarify the= information needed to hear, even if it is under some noise!=20 The test with DRM was doen with FULL DRM stereo encoding (with SBL AAC+) an= d keeping the same required bandwidth of its mask as it is supposed to be f= or replacing an AM mono station! By doing full AM STEREO DRM testing I had = the ability to compare also the stereo audio quality of it with the AM CQUA= M stereo quality! Well folks... sorry but it looked to me to much digitized= ... to accept it as a "Hi-Fi audio" if they try to call it that way! The an= alog AM stereo, IMHO does clearly a better job! Even in modulation bandwidt= hs less than 7KHz... AMS it is far better!!!=20 Yes the DRM in mono does better regarding quality than a mono narrow analog= AM! But... is that all it can offer and they do so much noise about it? We= ll I'm not sure if it's worth it, if all the talk is only about that after = all...=20 In Stereo mode is better than nothing of course (meaning vs monophonic AM).= .. but for someone that have listened to an AM Stereo analog transmission, = the use of DRM instead of it, as an "upgrade" of quality in MW band, is out= of question!!!=20 Haven't heard the so-called "HD AM IBOC" but from technical view seems to b= e too similar to the DRM... so I don't expect it to be a real better candid= ate for "upgrading" MW band!!! Sorry... :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi, > I have checked the German LW tx 177kHz 800kW=C3=82 here in the south of S= weden wich is situated about 350km from my place. In analouge strong signal= , but when switched to DRM, no signal or whilest driving mostly drop-outs. > I suppose it's the same with HD radio, 50% radius compared with analoug w= ich is more than 100%. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: jim smith > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: fredag, 27 januari 2012 10:01 > =C3=83"mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California= Dreamin.mp3 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C3=82=20 >=20 > Hi Roy There was a long time rumor that AM STEREO had a shorter range tha= n AM mono. I had never seen that and i had been listening to AM MV radio fo= r a long time. AM HD Radio here in the U.S has a much shorter range than an= alog AM MV radio. Your right AM STEREO and AM mono has about the same range= . That has been my listening exsperants. Jim Smith >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > A one kW FM has a coverage of f ex=C3=83,=C3=82 50km, but a 200watts d= ab only got 20km radius course of drop outs. > > 200watt dab is the same as 1 kW FM, but the coverage is the half. Same = to DRM on MW. > > I suppose that AM-stereo got the same radius as mono. > >=20 > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > HASDA-EUROPE > > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > >=20 > >=20 > > ________________________________ > > Fr=C3=83f=C3=82=C2=A5n: pdmtr > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Skickat: fredag, 20 januari 2012 11:18 > > =C3=83f=C3=A2?zmne: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - Cali= fornia Dreamin.mp3 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =C3=83,=C3=82=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wro= te: > > > DAB radios use much more electricity which > > > results in reduced battery time. The TX may need less power for the s= ame > > > coverage, but when you take the power consumption of the receivers in= to > > > account, I'm not sure if digital is actually more environmentally fri= endly. > >=20 > > That's a VERY GOOD POINT !!! I think that should be made more known to = people, as this is in fact a REAL good standing point for defense of ALL an= alog radio systems!!! For example one of the greatest benefits of AM radio,= that people seem to have forgotten, is that you can demodulate an AM signa= l even WITHOUT consuming power!!! Just by using the incoming signal and a d= iode!!!=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Sat Jan 28 00:45:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37818 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 08:45:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 08:45:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.234) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 08:45:27 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.181] by nm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 08:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.220] by tm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 08:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 08:45:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 187279.99036.bm@omp1038.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 51743 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2012 08:45:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lhYn8N8VM1mfE9nA8JC.JAAnj30MQNBvhyWHUneVWC2JJRq xqFbLFgyiSZAsX5yltsZiVSD_vGqfT3CgCXaTojePLXO6a0KwRO8kfQmjpE6 iI4.QFAkIgqGqE6Wvyzn0vuTAk1psdrzY27EVqodRUlNYBYeWzvo8JSzVGbI wBDFFtv.H3Y5EnNHeJZPu3R7JYAAD8x2qIBPKYC9aBXBLOtg6WPKre6RuhYa gwgRCl41Sc8tiGd4brJrhxlupbwKD4eWQF08Z7gpCYnme_FdVjp2zpwl6CAO tij.DyUmqS.Ki6o74KvOp4C7Dc9QKeY7TX30v62eMrJ65vzNI2JsxOZ9Xn84 eTGTB6Dz6wcQ9mc0GztVLM7qLummsOEtWSNb3vC7LRJV7SOte2pcsjtwrNJH 2sjgbGja6ngLwRqorch9qsChmtZtCNE2hsUnfpiyb4nuLSEP4Ap0qyCkyChz ULuUVb7AUN_0ndUFUzf5tRzKymtzKMRE7c6.tVmyOnHlfTXPPCfnJmh80N30 vH2QgHiwAGobBglJTPjRGIwJyZFEU61exA9Z0EaQE4Ppw9iNElOG9r.ioz_k 1zQ4xJGAC5iZq27vhUwH3W5ezwGquiA8gIiGj5A1gbfU8EWVdNizCrosuTA. 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WOW! That is GREAT News! What frequency will you be on? The clearest X-Band freq for the US is 1610,= because there are NO stations in the US on that frequency. The only thing = we get there is 10 KW Caribbean Beacon. Of course, it they would let you sn= eak up to 1710, there is nothing legal up there. Sometimes I do get a Pirat= e on 1710 that is West of me. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Jan 28 05:10:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95625 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 13:10:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 13:10:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.161.173) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 13:10:31 -0000 X-Received: by ggnh1 with SMTP id h1so1512670ggn.18 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:10:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.9.7 with SMTP id m7mr2904962ani.7.1327756230995; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:10:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b7sm19800612yhm.0.2012.01.28.05.10.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:10:29 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:10:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327740325.47582.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327740325.47582.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <7A79404A-17C8-4531-A643-29D810E5434E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=tCql5afgYbC-3E-Pb0g8U4CSLZ4j5drsf2wBknVfBYGOJn6XwhwI3hC1tQDVKw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 28, 2012, at 3:45 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Kevin, > > in europe we > > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio I didn't get what you were trying to say... 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Sat Jan 28 05:18:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15157 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 13:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 13:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.236) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 13:18:10 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.183] by nm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 13:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.61] by tm14.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 13:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 13:18:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 791700.60878.bm@omp1030.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 74311 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2012 13:18:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kUZAOWoVM1mHl81HzF4JjlSW3rCYP3__zPG5PtD0tZgSas0 qdMrM1ZR. X-Received: from [46.195.168.139] by web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:18:09 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <14BA0B45-A8A6-4121-B320-24EB82AFBACC@gmail.com> <1327684396.196.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6D4C591F-DA40-4ED9-B341-F7749A852FD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1327756689.68229.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:18:09 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <6D4C591F-DA40-4ED9-B341-F7749A852FD8@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=kDZTd_ePxDZ8iZI62ql6wj4oJ_MTzgk9a96VTgbEznjk7M8 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable However analouge is the best of radio broadcasting, even am is better than = digital radio Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 27 januari 2012 18:30 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 27, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > lot of pirates in Holland, Greece, Balkan nowadays. We also have TONs of Pirates on FM and a few on AM and Shortwave. It seems = that for every Pirate the FCC (The United States Radio Regulation Authority= is the Federal Communications Commission) Busts, 10 more come on the air t= o replace it. There is talk of "Sunsetting" Analog FM Radio like they did f= or TV. If that happens, Analog Pirates will rule the air. The Fines for having a Pirate are stiff, up to $10,000 US Dollars for the f= irst offense and it goes higher for repeat offenders. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Jan 28 05:18:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26203 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 13:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 13:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f178.google.com) (209.85.213.178) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 13:18:41 -0000 X-Received: by yenm12 with SMTP id m12so1280895yen.23 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.128.205 with SMTP id f53mr16656918yhi.111.1327756721117; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:18:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q29sm29020095anh.1.2012.01.28.05.18.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:18:38 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:18:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327756479.95453.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327740325.47582.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <7A79404A-17C8-4531-A643-29D810E5434E@gmail.com> <1327756479.95453.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=VjcWl3Dvf74uYrlpaGxsjL_mDVTdrzokVyeTRmzGfdpyLf0tgqyqKlTY2u0e5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 28, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > drink beer ;-)) I LOVE Warsteiner Dunkel. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Jan 28 05:21:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27662 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 13:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 13:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f173.google.com) (209.85.216.173) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 13:21:55 -0000 X-Received: by qcse13 with SMTP id e13so1701457qcs.18 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:21:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.215.131 with SMTP id he3mr13642910qab.10.1327756910687; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:21:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s18sm21593337qaz.15.2012.01.28.05.21.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:21:49 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:21:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327756689.68229.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <14BA0B45-A8A6-4121-B320-24EB82AFBACC@gmail.com> <1327684396.196.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6D4C591F-DA40-4ED9-B341-F7749A852FD8@gmail.com> <1327756689.68229.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3B196FEF-E977-4D80-869B-AF1AE88F9D1E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.173 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=8NWchisbYd93Mq0pvSs0ciSueYAyXQLWsEtn3DgMwdao9e_leB9uWi-djuyReQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 28, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > However analouge is the best of radio broadcasting, even am is better than digital radio And I love the challenge of Medium Wave AM. Any idiot can make FM sound decent, but it takes some work to make AM Really sound good. If you have a GOOD Transmitter, a correctly tuned Antenna, and a decent Receiver, AM can sound as good as a CD. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 28 januari 2012 14:21 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 28, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > However analouge is the best of radio broadcasting, even am is better tha= n digital radio And I love the challenge of Medium Wave AM. Any idiot can make FM sound decent, but it takes some work to make AM Reall= y sound good. If you have a GOOD Transmitter, a correctly tuned Antenna, an= d a decent Receiver, AM can sound as good as a CD. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Sat Jan 28 05:26:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34892 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 13:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 13:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm22-vm5.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.12.10.251) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 13:26:22 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm22.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 13:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.176] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 13:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 13:26:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 639391.11946.bm@omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 16285 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2012 13:26:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0Jpo9QIVM1liK8h2DG2gSLoCGAiqVaJifM7gzeatPzb54AJ odXBHSoysFMEyw4ipDRd60mOy6SPCgQ840hTdGt_MuJCdlcRwjhsjlbHsQ82 C3NktxuNCW8kJKhcYaHHRVeCNFVJ1DowUJs3J19Dlk3v0y4uQkZw7WiDRxU8 Qy6vQw_OYxYhrc.Vup1tuvxFM16YLLqdkEBsv70LiHrbzYrV1YHGvFzdC0SU iSSI5R.D1hgGC6v_YwO5shoJjhvWr0Fy35jI5y8JHCynC7iFZhflCzlm7zL7 s24JZXjk2bNImIht3b2yKw5QEkAIkCWcL7wFaxQrW.sx0snoDBgNsjkN1qoM pk6fx3Yv1ErvLCVatpM2i6lVPr44F9W.Z07ekL4HmrZAmEtDZZx_8O2KoRDY t_u57jbmpiriLbSkKo.KZglMe7mPKUTL1nukzAkHOUN91n87lecvMjb_T0VV .3uaTzthpzR0_yJKh2GE_Kh8oU9_3feOzaBA.88JxJzMjVjdhWIT5oMm5diA 9rbPZkO4stCJRzJOt5RV4sQDzL_4EN7OblOj4uTQdzN2OwsxLObdbTB4T9xN 01fjxzRLn18K7ughzTJ2HKI3MPspj5RzkbuGLNtvV003zCmPkiFf4kZ2mUe_ q5Me4VhFgjM0OrquJNGMVLRnGQbMWzJXea9e8RTJUhtwtw_Falp0CkzC.NJr 8aug2.bDK_tgIT1a7rMO3QiIZTr4gurtrzxQ1b7bTC9mz7IFxqMT3MglIrm4 SQqsBOslhRc0Ptpwsb33rOhrGzn.kzDnF2oaVQdjJBkj_lOd8lW9o1b7Kvll sLZCX5LS6d9lyYZvpNdco0ZqRiNAGvt7W45a0eKFRYebi_jIIDN2sThbfQkC UM.max5MWwEloUBO3QKEj.7hL_YIKCyD20_GA.e6AC.7Lh0DMbyPBQaOgk.u BO.dnOr9kTbNYp2Lawdwj4JfN._0VxbXGr4bf7LvFoFvFq9N4DUfTqLiY9Bg Lh0dIIgyECcud422LE21ALo_4_ODWcxKqipg0hMVkyWT2_gAKJ1U_IB_un23 eJaIgudPpkvbsZ4NkTDnn_OJljmIjKb5vzGvgeG08yl4xq8JTPlROCxyQPv5 yo6.GYNkcfeAWLUrGqSb27z1f3bi1UXIje4vaq6aOFpPJOs4pLIS6jSiCEsy j0e1qk00F1z4Ex0lduKtSEBAJ.x2nJvNRqc84x_39U9qUQk44A6wgfyJqxsd Atr5PW4DvU00FmFBGVw9h82o2N_VYSMWg4xqQ4Suxv90E.yaB5n34y05ZFnT .lbTo1esc8goMANlWR00XqCPQQiQGQM5dlPe9ooOCrZajk.xv1AtpUD1jhbj 3wJ3rj4RajD3iefvJ1wlLEnP3dVzRp26Imq9GIYuKDb2bE7noKQDPC.NieVX 5EuNUmJuKO.RZ_CRRjtd3WQAKFb7Y20vbi7l09oTtb1fWTld0hPwfntpCcJU 7JFuGYyhzn3.3lR7D_cmv_3Zie1TrorkSaaNWjyYsdgd54rnOWS16m88eGHa YQwgbbdZpgj261DGFBzZ1Ze0MxlhbAz5G_pb1rsIwtPrWC4fCZMtlD8o4cVQ YNRM6V5fPfggeBjFFAP_euI_t2sEVG5AL8s3f81TkTe.boAdN.X_e7tEVg3x jvcJd1NYKnAeuA8BzTMNWTvftA4wrC8AYs9WjlL0DCKxX6ZMjnidTqJbTEYT Bsxnelwx.KnMzBze9lS59rPjsosdTU_cTml9nSXvs_4JEdYWzyslToxWQ0aC XgprIiYrSttlFsWsynQ-- X-Received: from [46.195.168.139] by web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:26:21 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327740325.47582.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <7A79404A-17C8-4531-A643-29D810E5434E@gmail.com> <1327756479.95453.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327757181.93363.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:26:21 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.12.10.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=DBCe5vmZ0sSun5l03Vz9e48dV2CGvPlWzzGJ4_qWnyKAWJg X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Danish, Dutch, German beer best of all. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 28 januari 2012 14:18 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 28, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > drink beer ;-)) I LOVE Warsteiner Dunkel. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 09:02:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85442 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 17:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 17:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.187) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 17:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 17:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 17:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 17:02:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:02:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.73.188 From: "pdmtr" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=lJEWd74EjP9lFMq3Lz7AdYAX9SH8v6X5LQz-d1YR8L0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr 1620 is one of common US - EBU channels! The next one will be the edge of t= he band, the 1710KHz so IF you could get the 1620 will be excellent for pos= sible DXers from US! Also might be for DXers from Greece as well.. :) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > use the 9 kHz raster and 4,5 kHz audio like 1602 is the legal highest fre= q., next is 1611,1620,1629 etc. In the space of 1602-1710 is no service at = all around Sweden or in Sweden, no maritime as it was before in the old tim= es. > Most new mutibands radios got 1611-1710, but non stereo. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: fredag, 27 januari 2012 15:25 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California = Dreamin.mp3 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > Jus been intuch with swedish PTT and it can be open to tests in the x-b= and for am stereo with a better bandwidth than standard =3D 4,5 kHz. 9 = or > > 12, or even 15 kHz. power 500watts. >=20 > WOW! That is GREAT News! >=20 > What frequency will you be on? The clearest X-Band freq for the US is 161= 0, because there are NO stations in the US on that frequency. The only thin= g we get there is 10 KW Caribbean Beacon. Of course, it they would let you = sneak up to 1710, there is nothing legal up there. Sometimes I do get a Pir= ate on 1710 that is West of me. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 09:24:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64325 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 17:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 17:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.225) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 17:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 17:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 17:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 17:24:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:24:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1327740263.41701.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.225 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.73.188 From: "pdmtr" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=83_yP6BbhC4hssAqAW4YoEbBcz_KVaTQbg1oJqxiIr8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Yes... but for further info contact me off forum...=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Sotiris, > you do the am stereo TX wich can handle 9 kHz, 12 kHz and 15 kHz audio. P= owers 20 watt - 500watts?? >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Kopia: jim smith =20 > Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 28 januari 2012 9:03 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California = Dreamin.mp3 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 > Hi Sotiris AM HD IBOC sounds like crap. I miss C-QuAM AM STEREO greatly= . Jim Smith > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: pdmtr=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:22 AM > Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 >=20 > Hi=20 > I have run some tests here, to help me draw a somewhat relative picture o= f coverage with a transmitter at a specific output wattage at the same ante= nna, and working with the 3 modulation schemes I had available. So the tran= smitter was tested for AM mono, AM CQUAM Stereo and finally DRM transmissio= n! I have followed a not so theoritical correct approach to run the tests, = as I have decided to run a real Linear amplifier that could developed a 600= W PEP without any noticable IMD or at least not out of its specs. The reaso= n was that by this way i had to check all modulation schemes in the same fi= nal airwave PEP that was delivered by exactly the same RF system. So the sy= stem delivered ~150W carrier for a clear 100% AM modulation, both on mono a= nd stereo (CQUAM with negative limiter circuitry applied). To workaround th= e DRM modulation spectrum I had to readuced the so called average digital p= ower at a "carrier" level related to about 45W in regard to the 150W > it could deliver with analog AM. The antenna used was exactly the same, = and it was tuned on frequency, measured for phase distortion, etc, and had = worked with AM CQUAM for a long time.=20 > The conclusion that I have made from those tests, is that the AM CQUAM fo= r some reason does better in coverage!!! releated to an exact same (in band= width) monophonic signal! Test for both of them was made using 8 receivers = by different makers. The 5 of them were AM STEREO from factory, the 2 were = PIONEER & BECKER car radios, & 3 tuner the CARVER TX11A the DENON TU-680NAB= , and a TEAC T-30 that i think is an excellent AM STEREO receiver. The othe= r were an ICOM IC-PRC100 with SoDiRA software for the AM Stereo & DRM decod= ing on a laptop, another DRM receiver named TechniSat (can be seen at photo= s folder of group in the 'DRM" file)that is also capable to receive AM mono= stations and & 1 older monophonic tuner from JVC.=20 > The comparison for mono and stereo AM transmission had also some feedback= available by some people who own tuners for receiving CQUAM, a Sony ST-JX2= 20, and two Sherwood TDS130SB, at far distance locations.=20 > I can say that CQUAM seems to go far better than standard mono AM signals= , or at least it can be decoded and provide the a "better receivable" feeli= ng even in the fringe area of an AM signal.=20 > The DRM on my test, have not done so well! Yes it can be decoded in a rec= eiver under heaby interference situations, but... but it didn't so better p= erformance on coverage area, than even monophonic AM! IMHO it was even not = capable to cover the same area of it, without severious drop out of audio d= eooding in most places! Yes the AM mono was also weak at similar places... = but you could still hear the modulation information and be understanable by= a common listener! So what is the benefit, of dropping the audio output co= mpletely for some time when reception of digital DRM signal is weak inside = noise, instead of an AM mono signal that you can still listen and clarify t= he information needed to hear, even if it is under some noise!=20 > The test with DRM was doen with FULL DRM stereo encoding (with SBL AAC+) = and keeping the same required bandwidth of its mask as it is supposed to be= for replacing an AM mono station! By doing full AM STEREO DRM testing I ha= d the ability to compare also the stereo audio quality of it with the AM CQ= UAM stereo quality! Well folks... sorry but it looked to me to much digitiz= ed... to accept it as a "Hi-Fi audio" if they try to call it that way! The = analog AM stereo, IMHO does clearly a better job! Even in modulation bandwi= dths less than 7KHz... AMS it is far better!!!=20 > Yes the DRM in mono does better regarding quality than a mono narrow anal= og AM! But... is that all it can offer and they do so much noise about it? = Well I'm not sure if it's worth it, if all the talk is only about that afte= r all...=20 > In Stereo mode is better than nothing of course (meaning vs monophonic AM= )... but for someone that have listened to an AM Stereo analog transmission= , the use of DRM instead of it, as an "upgrade" of quality in MW band, is o= ut of question!!!=20 > Haven't heard the so-called "HD AM IBOC" but from technical view seems to= be too similar to the DRM... so I don't expect it to be a real better cand= idate for "upgrading" MW band!!! Sorry... :)=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I have checked the German LW tx 177kHz 800kW=C3=82 here in the south of= Sweden wich is situated about 350km from my place. In analouge strong sign= al, but when switched to DRM, no signal or whilest driving mostly drop-outs= . > > I suppose it's the same with HD radio, 50% radius compared with analoug= wich is more than 100%. > >=20 > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > HASDA-EUROPE > > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > >=20 > >=20 > > ________________________________ > > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: jim smith > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Skickat: fredag, 27 januari 2012 10:01 > > =C3=83"mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - Californ= ia Dreamin.mp3 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =C3=82=20 > >=20 > > Hi Roy There was a long time rumor that AM STEREO had a shorter range t= han AM mono. I had never seen that and i had been listening to AM MV radio = for a long time. AM HD Radio here in the U.S has a much shorter range than = analog AM MV radio. Your right AM STEREO and AM mono has about the same ran= ge. That has been my listening exsperants. Jim Smith > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > > > A one kW FM has a coverage of f ex=C3=83,=C3=82 50km, but a 200watts= dab only got 20km radius course of drop outs. > > > 200watt dab is the same as 1 kW FM, but the coverage is the half. Sam= e to DRM on MW. > > > I suppose that AM-stereo got the same radius as mono. > > >=20 > > > Bests from > > > Roy Sandgren > > > HASDA-EUROPE > > > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ________________________________ > > > Fr=C3=83f=C3=82=C2=A5n: pdmtr > > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > > Skickat: fredag, 20 januari 2012 11:18 > > > =C3=83f=C3=A2?zmne: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - Ca= lifornia Dreamin.mp3 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > =C3=83,=C3=82=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli w= rote: > > > > DAB radios use much more electricity which > > > > results in reduced battery time. The TX may need less power for the= same > > > > coverage, but when you take the power consumption of the receivers = into > > > > account, I'm not sure if digital is actually more environmentally f= riendly. > > >=20 > > > That's a VERY GOOD POINT !!! I think that should be made more known t= o people, as this is in fact a REAL good standing point for defense of ALL = analog radio systems!!! For example one of the greatest benefits of AM radi= o, that people seem to have forgotten, is that you can demodulate an AM sig= nal even WITHOUT consuming power!!! Just by using the incoming signal and a= diode!!!=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Jan 28 09:34:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17630 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 17:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 17:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s31.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.170) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 17:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-P4-EAS16 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s31.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:33:05 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:33:00 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2012 17:33:05.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4B64680:01CCDDE2] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Schematic for early rev. Asmax1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=5CmlVr1glv2BS65ecNrsMTd-w6lC3_cm7EpYdaNYDeh4 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd SSBhY3F1aXJlZCB0aGUgYXNtYXgxLiBzYXlzIHYxLjIgb24gdW5tYXJrZWQgY2hpcC4gV2Fu dCB0byBtb2QgdGhlIFRYIGZvciBiYWxhbmNlZCA2MDAgb2htICs0ZGJ1IHBybyBhdWRpbyBh bmQgbGFyZ2VyIG91dHB1dCBtYXliZSBhIGJldHRlciBMQ0Qgc2V0dXAuIEkgc2VlbiB0aGVz ZSBtb2RzIG9uIFlvdVR1YmUgYnV0IGd1eSBuZXZlciAgZ290IGJhY2sgdG8gbWUgYW5kIGd1 eSBpbiBHcmVlY2Ugc2VlbXMgbm90IHRvIGJlIGVpdGhlci4KClJldi4gUm9iZXJ0IHAuIENo cnlzYWZpcwpVbml2ZXJzYWwgbGlmZSBtaW5pc3RyaWVzICh1bGMpCkxpY2Vuc2VkIGhhbTog a2M4Z3Bk From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 13:42:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36937 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 21:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 21:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.254) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 21:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 21:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.239] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 21:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1048.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 21:42:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 950005.27859.bm@omp1048.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 64432 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2012 21:42:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6uzeONoVM1nKPwiXfVi0uHfbgyVG0MY1_Rnf5XRTyzoA392 MCq08nB55NAlKXld47ZXTZ5ZcZcFjfUk9GsWgwPDXpP_MF0ci00t0WHQwBSq UznMX4_d0_2LYDjhm71gDc561_joVIT7.mV4HYcrYjrOsWc2YnszEAV7KFQV TgAT2ZNwVAgfBqZ7ZIPOkiX0HafhaJY65NcrqtHIkIazIrXsUvoP4uPJ4V8O c7kzf_mWe.b2_8xQ9A.1H3GjJrJrmEWLC0_kuiSz.OutJq1eCb0rl0L_TLkI KK1yC.fBI1heTY.4UBtjrSLzl59CiDoyGBPhc72Hf8QbtNvyPld0XCg7egYT KvHSXLkVtkAEBB2tR5LLY5q_oCuHy1SY0iizCWJ1di.KlaqFltI0R7.ZRYkw DzWr8MEdmPuuQP6EyunIxvMCEP76lUJPhyon3U0hIsauxJqZNbvGP42P_lX7 QvPof8eKtqHcvDYXYZKIW7KUIQRO1S2rZNw-- X-Received: from [72.241.161.186] by web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:42:26 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 Message-ID: <1327786946.46109.YahooMailClassic@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:42:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.212.254 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=bY_hVE9tUEt20FwkQlttHsBxeDsDliix08L4Z2-XR-G-SBJOwIX2RPM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin wrote: "...That being said, I do limit my Audio at 810 KHz WQIZ and 7= 30 KHz WLTQ to 5KHz in order to be a good Neighbor to other Stations..." =A0 I still think that 7500Hz is reasonable, as only harmonics are there moment= arily, and if you have music programming, it would sound decent on a decent= AMAX tuner.=A0 Remember, it's only the brief peaks over 4KHz that hit the = sidebands, so I say go for 6KHz-7.5KHz rather than a mere 5KHz, unless you = are all talk and no music. My 0.02 worth. 73 John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 28 14:36:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12882 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 22:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2012 22:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 22:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q0SMZwxl027800 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:35:58 -0500 X-Received: from core-mre001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mre001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.185.193]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5A726E000082 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:35:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <428d6.7fe0ee3c.3c55d24e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:35:58 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:374588864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a4f24784e4e33 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5HsWF6Q9ZvQTFYA9_Jk1LlQ33HxoCy-QUc0a3Rmx5kujEtdL_A3mu0PeKAjo4HrJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This subject has come up before. With ordinary program content, I do not believe it is necessary to limit the high end if the broadcast audio chain has low distortion either to comply with FCC bandwith standards nor avoid stepping on another station's frequency. There just isn't much actual content in that spectrum. The problem is distortion components generated by older equipment and/or "hard" limiting. I think everyone would agree this adds nothing to the signal quality. This should be the focus of attention, not limiting the true spectrum of the original program audio. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Jan 29 16:21:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12788 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2012 00:21:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2012 00:21:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f172.google.com) (209.85.213.172) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 00:21:32 -0000 X-Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3so1675517yen.31 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:21:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.114.199 with SMTP id c47mr22785601yhh.81.1327882892079; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:21:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k15sm28009576yhf.11.2012.01.29.16.21.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:21:29 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:08:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327757181.93363.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327740325.47582.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <7A79404A-17C8-4531-A643-29D810E5434E@gmail.com> <1327756479.95453.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1327757181.93363.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ldKYlrjthVB-g_9PXdNzsH2pVpqP4IuOQqKjL9_01e0wau2wdsnmXJ_nMfMv6g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 28, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Danish, Dutch, German beer best of all. Agreed! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Jan 29 16:27:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90019 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2012 00:27:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2012 00:27:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f41.google.com) (209.85.213.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 00:27:23 -0000 X-Received: by yhpp34 with SMTP id p34so1663627yhp.0 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:27:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.77.232 with SMTP id d68mr22311389yhe.98.1327883242902; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:27:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm41322572ann.21.2012.01.29.16.27.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:27:21 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:27:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327757124.21600.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <14BA0B45-A8A6-4121-B320-24EB82AFBACC@gmail.com> <1327684396.196.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6D4C591F-DA40-4ED9-B341-F7749A852FD8@gmail.com> <1327756689.68229.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3B196FEF-E977-4D80-869B-AF1AE88F9D1E@gmail.com> <1327757124.21600.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9B0F9708-9ADD-4A37-B5B9-A7B8AB891F2E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.41 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=CcJoPSDOKN58WefA5EAnKH-EEJ-3Ywh9cAxTy_5QleHkRDCeNRVCc0qQ8UC73A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 28, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > In US you got 10 kHz, but in europe 4,5 kHz only on am. While it is not full High Fidelity, you can get decent sound out of 5KHz Bandwidth. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Jan 29 16:37:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69787 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2012 00:37:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2012 00:37:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f170.google.com) (209.85.160.170) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 00:37:22 -0000 X-Received: by ghy10 with SMTP id 10so815801ghy.15 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:37:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.154.232 with SMTP id h68mr23363273yhk.51.1327883842007; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:37:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n24sm22407865yhj.13.2012.01.29.16.37.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:37:21 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:37:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327786946.46109.YahooMailClassic@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327786946.46109.YahooMailClassic@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=E-u32ZgDWomMPQHpZ5Ju1hCXBtYIDWeT5z7JSezQod18NfbFBLhkSHWQ2vHfag X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 28, 2012, at 4:42 PM, John wrote: > I say go for 6KHz-7.5KHz rather than a mere 5KHz, unless you are all talk and no music. The Station is talk with no music, but on top of that, the Network Feed is also only 5 KHz Wide. The ONLY High Fidelity Audio is local Spots. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Jan 29 16:42:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84560 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2012 00:42:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2012 00:42:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f178.google.com) (209.85.213.178) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 00:42:49 -0000 X-Received: by yenm12 with SMTP id m12so1620615yen.23 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:42:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.165.6 with SMTP id d6mr22449692yhl.44.1327884168464; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:42:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm27576472anp.14.2012.01.29.16.42.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:42:47 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:42:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <428d6.7fe0ee3c.3c55d24e@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <428d6.7fe0ee3c.3c55d24e@aol.com> Message-Id: <3020E0DA-9E19-470B-BF48-25323AC21B54@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=uyY_efAWiIfzCnd1V2FV7QB5hroX3gacxUeexZIEMxtK6Iomm-4cz8CZHVidFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 28, 2012, at 5:35 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The problem is distortion components generated by older equipment and/or > "hard" limiting. I think everyone would agree this adds nothing to the signal > quality. This should be the focus of attention, not limiting the true > spectrum of the original program audio. You know the old saying "Garbage In = Garbage Out" In WQIZ's Case, the Network has nothing but TONS of Noise above 5 KHz. Why waste the Transmitter's Power transmitting noise that not only wastes Electricity, but causes QRM? 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 30 januari 2012 1:27 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 28, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > In US you got 10 kHz, but in europe 4,5 kHz only on am. While it is not full High Fidelity, you can get decent sound out of 5KHz Ba= ndwidth. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Jan 30 01:44:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13414 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2012 09:44:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2012 09:44:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.242) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 09:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.214] by nm10.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2012 09:44:41 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.60] by tm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2012 09:44:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2012 09:44:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 485743.25027.bm@omp1029.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 33753 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2012 09:44:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9xNWGHkVM1mEIAUstKpk6ziwWLsjai6a.qpBPXy00MnYCJZ nMVDg8_RccL9yGHQoI3N0cZNTsHEzoigOti65qa2yBtr_RS2e7JvYQcVCcWw h5MIqCPM2M8txqP7_386Y7HnsTNx7AWy3L3TfpzW1gP0S53Yj8eZSOEYAvlK Agtloe8GOIYmgm7qnAgFWg_Oz1YSL3pybgW0s7cMFf83ep_cHSfWTup1lg1R IUIUYjJjL48Bj5O8ruFggYWhR4Yb2jtW.e.g0cQVFKsaCDMD1e7EGOEnGk3M Vt0pZ9TV9wZocjTyTkYVXZuZMP_F.GO3Jd.NBnHdEiXgMsxPOH4Ts_WCpcEk tT834CRTWObWPOWvDIbrM8zGlSJ2PEP8t9o8rsubNWB7Gc7EIqD6mK_yU0S9 a0S5B0Uay4_ByLbhvbiIIkrEtO6e1KVptAJN2ZZeulHguMt5iiG3J5BNbYNA H3F.W04JyRp2XBsPX1.sM238gKtHoyRvIgaGvs2xwA4Yt2XyUacOpAXgACDs QbmjZaNSjBIJoB4eR8BXeTwkX8QW0A5VsYSfilM7lEJcaxamD3S1d97xHcrG y4nu7EKdBaHT_H5u3fgp.Y7cFs86xtaryWwhwIqre8gT9eKFPKq1Lcjj_MXa Um16GjcopgJVQNgUqpofll1FGvshDvvlxqJtrEWWRfi6F21fI1htKOAgiCZE avTNSwzrj3qOhHPp6MxnhUfWHAudlkxKLKVInmQAX4TEUD.eh8t5w_G04UV1 3D6Ooka9IIh3nF6rLrkvc7.Ba1ukxBPXtEacV3u6dHG2apE13asXB6o6adAX FVYVQyYO9IszBDwuEnUkezmCntCtFkTxfe8ZmJfyHjLzhdy7h44B2Ys.ndTr bdq0g5sMdgojpsFPnBM6CK.aVAcU_AxfX0JXjf1KAoiREAsNCoByYprKaMdi s.LuExVQeai6nW4bDKt7eFjXqHbKfjDUwomTBuDEx2pb50fNgIaMlWrIgOuJ t8twukmeovf6xwoYV2wp7KqIsZ15mZreMfLdWiJS6pmafc9.Ecs2U.BrKswF WjBLdgHNg5QC_CI4oBuyAe927sIoTjNt138KRzt8We8QD_oFz3_gFrE_FQby unZw2Rota91jX.tVW2isD5wa49Qa4ENxDTpsUQKvWbhz4BaD13zjgCgaCQRW xa9O0bs6joGfh8zGvV854LjQVDc_vBjG3G8ORqE6zt8_uV3wHqmHENT4haPf GDDqkE7AzkD47UswVV5Y6Q2qKykAkVmDVAij8VsbQlY4rTkX_.OYqTRekLBa yNGjQ9ol9rgeCw2Uysa1ZbgsvZAkPiHHuVAIesWb4CGcz3CymbIKfEvVaiOP tuaOKpka4.QOtOqVdMXdTQRrDYBva.NubFiHfRbe7fwbHTQeWVcZOhQOmt7e YKSPCVIpjDUqDNovp2.pD3.LflYzYrkf3OU47hTwxpW8KdmDXGkW4PhyxvK4 C8SJ6aLQcnHCl5m4odw.HDp2CIC30ulhDLbRaoEfimh1nmTP71ZSnPpZYfSl p7NQpraegPzszDgIsuPPcZ_QO2IYxY5ImY8it_9SltuGHtM41TGm2cc5Ebte gDcIbnjUITGlyvKFEzKRQCUxA9nYrSrOumC9MPUVFYC4j5tEDnbHVXzhf1yc jzzpqqaP3UxmcuXQ6jJyBQY9T_hjiWIuwVS_9H82R5sbNAd0ASFcQhhvGJcL o2JqeEpPSF.gCB8FW7jno9zMoMt3lM5ZV8M4mIxWoDfIrjADw3_VTTw2pnkv T70.6cwn2ZqaWeQ-- X-Received: from [46.195.0.23] by web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:44:40 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327740325.47582.YahooMailNeo@web28201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <7A79404A-17C8-4531-A643-29D810E5434E@gmail.com> <1327756479.95453.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1327757181.93363.YahooMailNeo@web28216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327916680.32185.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:44:40 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=KCB83leAXOz-E4BrCI_yyQabH2lSdW_F7knmuRhm75aDtiY X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable U R a great man!! Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 29 januari 2012 4:08 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 28, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Danish, Dutch, German beer best of all. Agreed! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Jan 30 01:46:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16941 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2012 09:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2012 09:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.230) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 09:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.209] by nm4.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2012 09:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.168] by tm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2012 09:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2012 09:46:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 143281.31459.bm@omp1009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 21330 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2012 09:46:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AY2AguEVM1mrEBm4KzcMFObmPx.WyFVy6.SqnJRm3xM5rd4 Y8cuQkUxveu17gpw6MtZ2QdHCJbUvAPYo3ZagbLVkhLBg1QvjU1AeXmRolL4 RrSlke98GOcqJdVmBR6fKQpUaj_BckYKCVXYm4PEKpkMwO4KjurVCk8iyAdH s8UML4LVT51ivkJtCTrhQrI_P.iCCf8QOwKa4d4oHVv1o6.JJkvOGJfNj_53 rNYV1KJmhTnKj.QsVxTCtOW4fG2Evj1lHovs0iJ7tfrn5dJpXPcB_7F_OL2e yc27Lono9jd9iDcKJ1KhhNoPpkwsz4bbL2B.jeQgXoz.zZbdBJ1Tqg9E9Wue NgzwvzxpjiGEz3CC7IpfCj9kGfGNufnAh0dE8.Uf0qF6WrlRrsiup2q.2MAd zoYEugb7xPXeO7s2qXmnRFGbmE0ecxhbsdUyYUPHXfSCbFyFcHbuHR2zUN.0 hbPW2SDlxOEO7PRJ7XYSvHADmkTy_znBS0oUErudx4kepkLufOmNOg9ElARt XZY64GQGi2IXQXj34XbLjQOWLpdkYN1AFgf.yeuuEpRXDEms5lv_udz57M03 wZfnzkigGBQ4Xi4Ns3xo5WdZB1JsETyQTUFgsxY7HLmYs2jnRMA0kPuuRpY7 _8_TOH8IjRJ.7B2TRAwojFdY4_YodaWQt6Kpy1gZG.hofAe5eTeK5N_TQUiL bbbt_2dwOU.u6meHCr2h_2JRQc.F5jVn_igRnwIByRAXLBBp4rVZoPNmk0EP xqsCaPr70Vbaj.1gkCTDzNsn9l6IJkvbMtTVsWfzFQMhfBXX3kI886Fc2vrp dJD3YgLmf1CqoMMN4Ir7vr3xOM7CoYjqMf6ppfRADTWuuAbIwbfpBWTQToMM T6OZJo9_zodQPtIXkOk_H_s.L0lIcY3eK7WlRuVTdpLHrPJvQLAWG8t7ziKP 290i0D1JeLcgbwcOXUJOSg8AQQOqtmefR3A9aOIkkKlUHmA9.gBWLxZkH1SM KlJbqsBLA8pLhMPCqSU.DUb7eS5p.NiTwnDoQqzzUuzw_JBPaKBgaxFw6A1w N_NXdYXwt810D94u6Cr9iExJhewJkG8RXi4IS0JW6qNsZBQ0evGUjB1TBvS9 LhoTa1NUlIkemWLVgNURrwMG9qnvG8isPbxnaQuLqTtvM49G9FzBJLav1l5A 01SAyYyVep77Njz25UihgEzi0ElIeG9Pyd_Gi.JwuSzAxjl8FRRsz501zXKp hMacMmql10BO6rE7fEKLwP1buVvP81fuHfwJB1PYVpRPLxBnMit4dUzdFdvi W5XLIXm9C1kNGS7888RHtTKCXtqDk0R6dlT0wNFL3sigtQs7U50f9_o3HBEv X3czXINIyyUU4.gHmJjIenujxkPrnidjVi1aVnE6h1Tj7V1OtJwxVShkSKd1 PBJfwH8wwyz3nOpwZDcD8TsYAQtCDlyxT6BeoMWTHutFAqrwKWfdD3Hkxd0L IkVnUSX4ICtG8dGhqaULiV6KVbQ-- X-Received: from [46.195.0.23] by web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:46:02 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <1327786946.46109.YahooMailClassic@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327916762.6495.YahooMailNeo@web28207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:46:02 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=pQhxZ3t3pVo7HvRTCT0VGkH3rAaTaeZAz_QFdBTRx1lLT1U X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 30 januari 2012 1:37 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} AM Bandwidth =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 28, 2012, at 4:42 PM, John wrote: > I say go for 6KHz-7.5KHz rather than a mere 5KHz, unless you are all tal= k and no music. The Station is talk with no music, but on top of that, the Network Feed is = also only 5 KHz Wide. The ONLY High Fidelity Audio is local Spots. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jan 30 03:37:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66050 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2012 11:37:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2012 11:37:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f176.google.com) (209.85.161.176) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 11:37:43 -0000 X-Received: by ggnq1 with SMTP id q1so2120100ggn.7 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:37:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.116.9 with SMTP id f9mr25379212yhh.0.1327923463141; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:37:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k15sm31180126yhf.11.2012.01.30.03.37.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:37:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:37:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327916648.48404.YahooMailNeo@web28210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <14BA0B45-A8A6-4121-B320-24EB82AFBACC@gmail.com> <1327684396.196.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6D4C591F-DA40-4ED9-B341-F7749A852FD8@gmail.com> <1327756689.68229.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3B196FEF-E977-4D80-869B-AF1AE88F9D1E@gmail.com> <1327757124.21600.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9B0F9708-9ADD-4A37-B5B9-A7B8AB891F2E@gmail.com> <1327916648.48404.YahooMailNeo@web28210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=9M6i6MvgU13aZZRnoBvFIUGQ9lcBP7zkPluKd8rVckScgVeQ-yjbCtZ2aJjPLA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:44 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > But it will be better audio in 9 kHz, 12 kHz or 15 kHz??? Of course the Higher Bandwidth you have, the better you Audio Fidelity will be. Before the NRSC Standards came along, US AM Stations were unlimited in the Audio Bandwidth they could Broadcast. Many Stations did broadcast a BETTER signal then is Possible with FM Stereo. With FM, you are limited to 15 KHz or the Audio will get into the Stereo Pilot and cause problems. With AM there was no such limitation. It is the Receivers' fault that AM sounds so crummy to most listeners. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Limited power. A company in= USA got some small whip antenna and ATU to the power up to 20 watts. The TX from Greece a nice country with beutiful islands, nice beaches, nice= beer, nice girls=20 Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 30 januari 2012 12:37 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:44 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > But it will be better audio in 9 kHz, 12 kHz or 15 kHz??? Of course the Higher Bandwidth you have, the better you Audio Fidelity will= be. Before the NRSC Standards came along, US AM Stations were unlimited in the = Audio Bandwidth they could Broadcast. Many Stations did broadcast a BETTER = signal then is Possible with FM Stereo. With FM, you are limited to 15 KHz = or the Audio will get into the Stereo Pilot and cause problems. With AM the= re was no such limitation. It is the Receivers' fault that AM sounds so crummy to most listeners. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jan 30 07:44:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54706 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2012 15:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2012 15:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f43.google.com) (209.85.213.43) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 15:44:44 -0000 X-Received: by yhgg71 with SMTP id g71so2349031yhg.16 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:44:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.184.131 with SMTP id s3mr9814294yhm.32.1327938284480; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:44:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h29sm47229160ann.16.2012.01.30.07.44.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:44:39 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:44:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327933529.20465.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <14BA0B45-A8A6-4121-B320-24EB82AFBACC@gmail.com> <1327684396.196.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6D4C591F-DA40-4ED9-B341-F7749A852FD8@gmail.com> <1327756689.68229.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3B196FEF-E977-4D80-869B-AF1AE88F9D1E@gmail.com> <1327757124.21600.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9B0F9708-9ADD-4A37-B5B9-A7B8AB891F2E@gmail.com> <1327916648.48404.YahooMailNeo@web28210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1327933529.20465.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2038EDAD-D3E0-4F3D-AB4E-9A32B1D9F5E4@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=4hnI8A05_yYMgub8-tGE1RdZ3hMkI6k9RuEDdAO1X2qErQT1PE6oj9spkg0EPg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > I'm directly intuch with swedish PTT about this issue and it can be done tests in the x band with 15 kHz audio and stereo. Limited power. Great! > A company in USA got some small whip antenna and ATU to the power up to 20 watts. You talking about Radio Systems? 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Jan 30 08:35:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32686 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2012 16:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2012 16:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm25.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.177.248) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 16:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.210] by nm25.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2012 16:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.176] by tm3.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2012 16:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2012 16:35:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 274504.14087.bm@omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 1234 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2012 16:35:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jIcPqaAVM1l3MSPAEB9IyGbQpD1vZS1nDsQAOEG3heYYbVF KZvgpyz9MbJRyLVOgaBMBEsQEoukiJrKSwJgAEKMe_lf1mkKLlexTncyhWNV GMU_7is0bR7fsa8RDlsxdGLC5Yq3cq5oRZE6eEiD4Hzhc.AuhS3LxGy9xwvh pRdNEdA08lYFOkrHkjekOlxY0HTMvC_4q_EfLbuOxVOw7ANALtj9BG48ZVgg ZLfzzb8sT.QTpHMdLd63B8U23QT95HJYMdnFB3y1xnm1faHzUE70g48R6yUe _gH7i1s085L20OW4w6sLrK3CWB_VroMi08bzVshyAIa7O.JZsmZorbTfIiDO meeSDm3GBpRyTDWfQwlOArxU02Ho0c_uf8uLKrKUKWFjpj8c5jJkKMqGNYTB gWmSCF.rzIyM5KiTxW4plLIGSz2q_keCHfKIxviBcDQhFa5XN84cpXp3Az23 WkCOmcIiatkymFkp1vWSaUiDpSpWMluCiB4wW.WCGAp1BEkfVS0Pbh7hEjfn _hTy_60Z3aNBD_xJQey6iJQPZrZYMuuscJGQd4Ir0wOPWd2_UyFLIrcTUhEj Eoz8K13kXvCJwLPuDKpsMoGY.LAJA1t7iWU5.36zhCHQHH2RoifXrqNbgJ1a XN8F6H6TIWmIp0OpJCCCJbHnCMklbrXP_49HKLxyZwZpywJpfjbrbZ2U0vj4 VU3nofysRAhM3KW3C8Ye7UVvLG1oiCAApbsqt9QF2yFk35H.Fh2sjF9TO_5_ Z60pGOTx1mVcS6iAu7DEho43HN.32TOLd2EjCmfdzL_S5V5Va.4ifZHld2kX p3VzCxxBY7v.Rfc3IMbv2WNwbyy0vksQS8B5UjnbKVxcSSPl39hoGaKo0fej bNuBYGmhaJ5xOZYP16lOUARbuBU.XwIH1hfAWJB6DntEL3j_y2d2JtUHJ_Mn wRWywEdbkBw0BSzhtagF_Em.QQe88qYVl1sjkl0O5e_K_7wFwRbj6rX5DClk nOh1s9mnLqu0FLzzR.eTvMbK.L7ti2VLNo5TJ.NWuEQN7WeB7zat87qWO6qM 8qaXZua_A5WP.yZGM4UFoTJBC7DBs7RL_NYBBlZINCGHCirFEGoO2e81n_F. 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A second mast 8 m with whip antenna and 50 watts too 4 legs, but i lost the= name of this company Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 30 januari 2012 16:44 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > I'm directly intuch with swedish PTT about this issue and it can be done = tests in the x band with 15 kHz audio and stereo. Limited power. Great! > A company in USA got some small whip antenna and ATU to the power up to 2= 0 watts. You talking about Radio Systems? 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jan 30 09:27:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90230 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2012 17:27:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2012 17:27:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f45.google.com) (209.85.216.45) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 17:27:44 -0000 X-Received: by qabg40 with SMTP id g40so2212346qab.11 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:27:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.95.211 with SMTP id e19mr22683189qan.89.1327944462029; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:27:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fi8sm13484977qab.21.2012.01.30.09.27.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:27:36 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:27:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1327941347.365.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <14BA0B45-A8A6-4121-B320-24EB82AFBACC@gmail.com> <1327684396.196.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6D4C591F-DA40-4ED9-B341-F7749A852FD8@gmail.com> <1327756689.68229.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3B196FEF-E977-4D80-869B-AF1AE88F9D1E@gmail.com> <1327757124.21600.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9B0F9708-9ADD-4A37-B5B9-A7B8AB891F2E@gmail.com> <1327916648.48404.YahooMailNeo@web28210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1327933529.20465.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2038EDAD-D3E0-4F3D-AB4E-9A32B1D9F5E4@gmail.com> <1327941347.365.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0B318070-5FB3-43FE-A0B8-42303323C3A8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ydLFoMclZi331TRr1Nk0L_9RPCMKpue0f_WeJduZtMCL4YYOiv0vSty4RBwLfw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > it can be this company, but no response on mails. > A second mast 8 m with whip antenna and 50 watts too 4 legs, but i lost the name of this company The companies I know of that make Medium Wave whips are: http://www.radiosystems.com/ http://www.kintronic.com/ http://www.valcom-guelph.com/ http://www.theradiosource.com/products-its-antenna-system.htm 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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u=138024662; y=iLGV03cOB0jOmLB4DLVz3w0_yFxR6ewp5cyByjpEugLjWfk X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A second company making TIS/HAR stations Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 30 januari 2012 18:27 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > it can be this company, but no response on mails. > A second mast 8 m with whip antenna and 50 watts too 4 legs, but i lost t= he name of this company The companies I know of that make Medium Wave whips are: http://www.radiosystems.com/ http://www.kintronic.com/ http://www.valcom-guelph.com/ http://www.theradiosource.com/products-its-antenna-system.htm 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jan 30 15:55:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18294 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2012 23:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2012 23:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 23:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120130175457002165500011> for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:54:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F272DC9.9090007@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:54:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:54:57 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <47009.28f4500e.3c546b5d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120130-0, 01/30/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=wpCqAYGBbh5UXLLAQ9OO7fNRFFuffj7Zo6DLZHrkV2SFhPSXyYv7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/27/2012 7:14 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > Yes, Nautel makes my favorite AM box, so I griped and BEGGED the Bean > Counters to buy that Transmitter. > > When you flip back and forth between 810 and 730, you can hear why I > don't like Harris AM Transmitters. > Back at Salem I had Harris on two of my stations and Nautel (ND series) on my third. I made them all sound good. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jan 30 16:03:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10930 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 00:03:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 00:03:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-10.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.170) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 00:03:20 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120130180315002828200011> for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:03:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F272FB8.6010807@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:03:04 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:03:15 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327786946.46109.YahooMailClassic@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120130-0, 01/30/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=IZ3a_VhyDDM5-jAbGG9gk5Hz3gIChgAMXyNYXzfkMkteoWxR5LRU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/29/2012 6:37 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Jan 28, 2012, at 4:42 PM, John wrote: > > > I say go for 6KHz-7.5KHz rather than a mere 5KHz, unless you are all > talk and no music. > > The Station is talk with no music, but on top of that, the Network Feed > is also only 5 KHz Wide. The ONLY High Fidelity Audio is local Spots. > Wow, that is pinched. Salem's talk networks were 7.5kHz. I remember the guy doing our annual NRSC proofs commenting on how the audio opened up on local content. I ran all three loud, clean, and full bandwidth. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jan 30 18:55:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61674 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 02:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 02:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f173.google.com) (209.85.160.173) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 02:55:59 -0000 X-Received: by ghrr20 with SMTP id r20so1973485ghr.4 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:55:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.155.225 with SMTP id j61mr30835605yhk.43.1327978558576; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:55:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r1sm32033717yhh.14.2012.01.30.18.55.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:55:57 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:55:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4F272FB8.6010807@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1327786946.46109.YahooMailClassic@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F272FB8.6010807@usfamily.net> Message-Id: <0CE974E5-D25A-42FA-A0D0-161D1E677E74@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=zMH6oR_2P0OY0_T5Vp4v7bHRJlPFfeYIfgIF3aqDb_thX5A0xZ30tbsKbJmFzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Wow, that is pinched. Salem's talk networks were 7.5kHz. I remember > the guy doing our annual NRSC proofs commenting on how the audio opened > up on local content. I ran all three loud, clean, and full bandwidth. When I first got here, I was actually getting listener complaints about how only 3 minutes an Hour sounded good, and the rest of the time, the station was noisy and sounded bad. At least now I am not getting listener complaints and the Boss likes the sound. WLTQ is a bit better due to the fact that *I* was able to spec everything, and got better equipment. WCKI is the worst sounding station we have because I can't cut down the Bandwidth of the Audio Processing, so it sucks up tons of noise, along with the actual Audio. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jan 30 19:06:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47724 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 03:06:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 03:06:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.213.170) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 03:06:20 -0000 X-Received: by yenm5 with SMTP id m5so9517yen.1 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:06:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.128.242 with SMTP id f78mr31207188yhi.30.1327979179791; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:06:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k15sm35966023yhf.11.2012.01.30.19.06.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:06:18 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:06:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4F272DC9.9090007@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <47009.28f4500e.3c546b5d@aol.com> <4F272DC9.9090007@usfamily.net> Message-Id: <93748DF2-B5B5-4E4E-958D-8E6539ACBA05@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=NbilZiBgaJa9XMSBhrrBIkdqPAeMENkYaDCrN4tQikeHxBfcl0pnVDCMg7fuxA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Back at Salem I had Harris on two of my stations and Nautel (ND series) > on my third. I made them all sound good. You can do a lot to help the sound of a Harris, and I have gotten rid of that "Harris Fuzz" Sound out of WQIZ's Gates 5, but no matter what you do, the Nautel XR-6 has a better Audio circuit. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 30 20:43:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52014 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 04:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 04:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.132) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 04:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 04:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.73] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 04:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 04:43:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 643779.67051.bm@omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 79302 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 04:43:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: XeN1tswVM1kskLre1CbvJPZwxGk78K79ZxGaNw7IMr42_xR UtCs6Cg_pIbrvP3dQQOyCLdU.MadRMBIYvMq_U7APWI6lKGdXN.GTk6WiD4F 5ONesjer3u..ZTxhtEl4vOP5twRq_IzgRCfoT5ROPiH4ikPaj7R27ucFjGnX 3T.llqJ6ktRyoEVhkQDC9mqDtO5xs9gQhD6ZcW4CG6blcoh.GEPiHzB.Q5Tf ekWiIliwMebxdl9NyGt2cKuN1O.zvouwjOLDkORuOerAbWjLEei9DKoet1wB 3GJ_LOhFKSbGVMMiP8FosvFRk5oB_haAJoJ4VKtO.BFl9QvXy20cgfKkokRI 81HIJBf60ywMlgmE5BJ_7_MOhTN6nYgkHjw8UuTzSLjY.4V3PdLcKp28vrri OXvH6JvBr6FvULyE8xWxjtA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.19.157.168 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2012 20:43:36 -0800 PST Message-ID: <081BEA887D834E80A35DCD17A0DB1826@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:43:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Old 15khz vs. iboc noise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=f5snRiOqNYKxAeS4xAk3nos4BHSM4mnWdNxDWgl1Ayd7sHcu4OHz25au2Z8R4ijX0lKSo4g7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang You know its kind of funny that the FCC cut the bandwidth form 15khz to 10 khz to cut the interferants to naiboring stations. Yet 20+ years later pushed the noisest P.O.S on the AM band. What bunch of hipocress. Just my 2 listening cents. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 30 22:18:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92902 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 06:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 06:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 06:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q0V6I7eb023944 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:18:07 -0500 X-Received: from core-mrc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.185.65]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1F9E7E000086 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:18:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17eb3.5222df52.3c58e19e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:18:07 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:311831936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33894f27879f6763 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old 15khz vs. iboc noise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zq2_E0FUyIZEvG3t5o7sJX2Y49twg4NUn4YoP8cm3HDcehCG1f4tMZUeC1Re6MQk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/2012 10:43:44 PM Central Standard Time, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Gang You know its kind of funny that the FCC cut the bandwidth form > 15khz to 10 khz to cut the interferants to naiboring stations. The FCC doesn't limit bandwidth per se. The LEVEL of emissions farther removed from the carrier is limited. That assumes you have the required monitoring equipment. The requirement limits the upper frequency that 100% can be maintained. The spectrum content from 5khz to 15khz in typical program material isn't enough to exceed the requirement even with flat audio response to 15khz. If real life program material had such content, FM pre-emphasis would not be practical. 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Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:38:32 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <1327673752.50688.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <45B3EF58-E290-4ED7-98E9-DFA2877B0A5A@gmail.com> <1327682739.80470.YahooMailNeo@web28205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <14BA0B45-A8A6-4121-B320-24EB82AFBACC@gmail.com> <1327684396.196.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6D4C591F-DA40-4ED9-B341-F7749A852FD8@gmail.com> <1327756689.68229.YahooMailNeo@web28202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <3B196FEF-E977-4D80-869B-AF1AE88F9D1E@gmail.com> <1327757124.21600.YahooMailNeo@web28208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9B0F9708-9ADD-4A37-B5B9-A7B8AB891F2E@gmail.com> <1327916648.48404.YahooMailNeo@web28210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1327933529.20465.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2038EDAD-D3E0-4F3D-AB4E-9A32B1D9F5E4@gmail.com> <1327941347.365.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0B318070-5FB3-43FE-A0B8-42303323C3A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1328002712.44461.YahooMailNeo@web28206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:38:32 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <0B318070-5FB3-43FE-A0B8-42303323C3A8@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dreamin.mp3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=-Ja5u6P9xAj-Z1x9TFRFC79Mmh7nul8WJlDEt__RAVduPfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Radio Systems got the 20 watts antenna and The radio sourse got the other 5= 0 watts portable antenna, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 30 januari 2012 18:27 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: File 1965 - THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS - California Dr= eamin.mp3 =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > it can be this company, but no response on mails. > A second mast 8 m with whip antenna and 50 watts too 4 legs, but i lost t= he name of this company The companies I know of that make Medium Wave whips are: http://www.radiosystems.com/ http://www.kintronic.com/ http://www.valcom-guelph.com/ http://www.theradiosource.com/products-its-antenna-system.htm 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 07:42:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34873 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 15:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 15:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.198) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 15:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 15:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 15:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 15:42:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:42:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1327933529.20465.YahooMailNeo@web28215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: TIS Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=DX3J9RgDEJVHe-xWz75BlUtwuvz8P2zYD5inYTeXPym9tQ3LRIcKZlA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I thought that the TIS transmitters are handicapped down to a 3KHz max audi= o bandwidth and some horrible modulation and antenna limits too? I don't think that TIS transmitters are even allowed to have 5KHz, yet alon= e AMAX bandwidths? FWIW, the POS TIS locally runs on 1630, killing off my CQUAM stereo recepti= on of KCJJ !! Worse yet, they put THREE TIS stations here ALL on 1630 and = before I knew the frequency, I told the State to make sure that they put a = good grounding system on their TIS system, or the coverage would be nasty -= unfortunately, they make have taken my advice. Anybody seen a TIS on a State auction by chance? John From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Jan 31 08:27:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34000 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 16:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 16:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 16:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q0VGRQoT021918 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:27:30 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgd001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.1]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 84D96E00008C for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:27:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <389a4.6c572457.3c597072@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:27:30 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409707520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e4f28167256f9 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} TIS Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=XVwLnBmP-JicB4rQ8jxgszAbTUV1cnH87l5E9JgC9BqkrYGKh5lG X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I believe you are correct. From what I remember the TIS stations are limited to about 3KHz audio response or basically telephone quality. Probably to discourage them from being used as a broadcast type station with music. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 1/31/2012 10:42:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: I thought that the TIS transmitters are handicapped down to a 3KHz max audio bandwidth and some horrible modulation and antenna limits too? I don't think that TIS transmitters are even allowed to have 5KHz, yet alone AMAX bandwidths? FWIW, the POS TIS locally runs on 1630, killing off my CQUAM stereo reception of KCJJ !! Worse yet, they put THREE TIS stations here ALL on 1630 and before I knew the frequency, I told the State to make sure that they put a good grounding system on their TIS system, or the coverage would be nasty - unfortunately, they make have taken my advice. Anybody seen a TIS on a State auction by chance? John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jan 31 08:29:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58641 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 16:29:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 16:29:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s30.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.169) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 16:29:24 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-P4-EAS72 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:29:23 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:29:20 -0700 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2012 16:29:23.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DE32B30:01CCE035] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} TIS Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=DiywIwK5w7A0tjiMjWoj9YrjQHgwjV6fn8tGdusBgMhb X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd They are actually barred from playing music. Nab and riaa lobbied to have t= he 3khz limitation and ban on playing music -----Original Message----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Sent: 31 Jan 2012 16:27:38 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} TIS Transmitters I believe you are correct. From what I remember the TIS stations are limited to about 3KHz audio response or basically telephone quality. Probably to discourage them from being used as a broadcast type station with music. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 1/31/2012 10:42:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: I thought that the TIS transmitters are handicapped down to a 3KHz max audio bandwidth and some horrible modulation and antenna limits too? I don't think that TIS transmitters are even allowed to have 5KHz, yet alone AMAX bandwidths? FWIW, the POS TIS locally runs on 1630, killing off my CQUAM stereo reception of KCJJ !! Worse yet, they put THREE TIS stations here ALL on 16= 30 and before I knew the frequency, I told the State to make sure that they put a good grounding system on their TIS system, or the coverage would be nasty = - unfortunately, they make have taken my advice. Anybody seen a TIS on a State auction by chance? John ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 08:55:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71736 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 16:55:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 16:55:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm34-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.239.72) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 16:55:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm34.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 16:55:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.250] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 16:55:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1063.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2012 16:55:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 809186.6382.bm@omp1063.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 5809 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2012 16:55:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iS4utewVM1mpKuu5DemHzbEf99tCAnJU2xd9MrP8qwZ1PTM gzBpWr7jtYMq4ISMgMZvKS9D4YBOQr0Vd4DtfbfVe2BL2l6YXjuMnhisnVvm yEr1A8IqOKSUyJnqGRCr.WutFGuA22sLcrjn8Y5ctp_sjtpuOUo6OGtmwIkh 1Y8DZWWXINJLeS2fqtludNd3StHFf79kTKV5Scuvr4eAWnjVQCf144kRUK8s K1W5ykwUoU7UXjyHru0OwM9ukNmNPyawcPthedEazIfNZYSeut_RyDnFPgRd .s7lzTxBLb60F_BESnopGOg9Um3yGM13RvF8wl3BvmlUk9REyBconIX8bhvc s8KjrxDXRmoIpgdWq73BoSxXT6pJ.TbTGm0bgS9LjgmI0ocrLAX.hoDusnke YubgrBGZALx3UvHJx55Xad1vqBtJhpX0Fe_xkR_RLiQYaDjqnsTcPNG8e7h5 pQp5Qv3Rle4L6ns6DghXZe0Xuml8ig2nJ X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:55:18 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 Message-ID: <1328028918.98733.YahooMailClassic@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:55:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 72.30.239.72 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: John Subject: "Talking House" transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=krqYG55EOHVsGSbog2GvFPC7eStnBDu5egLesLqdp5RV3UM5Dq4tX6g X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Curious how much power the 'Talking House' transmitters are good for. I ass= ume they are designed for the 3m antenna and 100mw max?=A0 Anybody every to= yed with one? I doubt adding stereo to them is a feasible project? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jan 31 08:57:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62714 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 16:57:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 16:57:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s32.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.171) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 16:57:58 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP314 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s32.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:57:53 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP314.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:57:52 -0800 To: References: <1328028918.98733.YahooMailClassic@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:57:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2012 16:57:52.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[7880B3C0:01CCE039] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Talking House" transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=RNi7kCBLbNWs2OzDRxGxLGeS7BoV3JPFQcumkrJyCdYV X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd dont screw up a certified tx get a sstran amt5k and run it in 50 ohm mode with a large air wound coil and ground plane and 3 meter whip and tune it up properly and feed a cquam exciter into it. you will do much bettert than trying to convert a thii to cquam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:55 AM Subject: {AMSF} "Talking House" transmitters Curious how much power the 'Talking House' transmitters are good for. I assume they are designed for the 3m antenna and 100mw max? Anybody every toyed with one? I doubt adding stereo to them is a feasible project? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jan 31 09:27:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48965 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 17:27:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 17:27:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f181.google.com) (209.85.216.181) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 17:27:02 -0000 X-Received: by qcsd17 with SMTP id d17so165922qcs.26 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:27:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.229.102.88 with SMTP id f24mr2791411qco.117.1328030820753; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:27:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id df3sm42425879qab.6.2012.01.31.09.26.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:26:59 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:26:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1328028918.98733.YahooMailClassic@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1328028918.98733.YahooMailClassic@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6D6D3D52-366B-4C78-B298-221436835578@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Talking House" transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Z7iwXyxEDegcZt8HCeviD_w3556eDizy56IvF6xTE2olsI6gTCNCdVGgFGyLRg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:55 AM, John wrote: > I doubt adding stereo to them is a feasible project? You can get Talking House Transmitters have have been Factory Modified for High Fidelity here: http://www.iamradio.net/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 31 14:55:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45440 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2012 22:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2012 22:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 22:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q0VMt7Xm023549 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:55:09 -0500 X-Received: from core-mrc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.185.65]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id F0D24E000086 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:55:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4833d.618b814e.3c59cb4c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:55:08 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:335232864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4f28714c7428 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Talking House" transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=nM22mYSLBp17SlLiQTLWVgx7Fg7qWzCm3xiAekRTQp5aTkED2AjRNzxa5GVJnwv5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Talking House" transmitters are exceptionally well engineered and built as well as FCC certified. There is a caveat to its compliance. It is compliant IF less than a 10ft. length of wire is connected to its antenna terminal, not if the remote antenna feature is used. It has a really clever output loading and tuning mechanism. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 01 19:41:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31410 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2012 03:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2012 03:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.128) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2012 03:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2012 03:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2012 03:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2012 03:41:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:41:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17eb3.5222df52.3c58e19e@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.9 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old 15khz vs. iboc noise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=oAhQVqXMa966ywUf0XeqqItxwJ-ol8RJRGd8DQgehB1NV0uTBA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! The fact that the real significant harmonics (treble) band level rarely rea= ches the 20 kHz, even in full digital recordings, is the basis of all data = compressed algorithms. As the psycho-acousticians have discovered since 4 decades (at least) is th= at most of the music material is important up to 10 or 12 kHz to the most o= f the "normal" people. I can add, according to personal experience with "live" survey, that around= 90% of the people can not distinguish between 10 or 15 or 20 kHz bandwidth= , with "normal" music material (specially whith a lot of cymbals, like Beat= les "A Hard Day's Night"). SO... with just 10 kHz of audio bandwidth, from the music source to the lis= tener ears, is full enough to get "decent" audio quality. THEN, WHERE IS THE PROBLEM? ??? Just guess: THE TUNERS!!! I don't know if the USA reality is the same like here, my beautiful, wonder= ful and "earthquaked" country CHILE, but I guess it should be very hard to = get a decent "AM radio" today. There is some Philips exceptions, but not AM stereo tuners. Here, we don't have any commercial IBOC tuner (and I hope we'd never have o= ne). BTW, Is there some kind of "simple" RDS system (I mean, station ID, song ti= tle, actual temperature, etc.) compatible with C-QUAM today? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/30/2012 10:43:44 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > jimsmith95650@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Hi Gang You know its kind of funny that the FCC cut the bandwidth form= =20 > > 15khz to 10 khz to cut the interferants to naiboring stations. >=20 > The FCC doesn't limit bandwidth per se. The LEVEL of emissions farther=20 > removed from the carrier is limited. That assumes you have the required= =20 > monitoring equipment. The requirement limits the upper frequency that 10= 0% can be=20 > maintained. The spectrum content from 5khz to 15khz in typical program=20 > material isn't enough to exceed the requirement even with flat audio resp= onse=20 > to 15khz. >=20 > If real life program material had such content, FM pre-emphasis would not= =20 > be practical. >=20 > Mike >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Feb 01 19:48:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80776 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2012 03:48:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2012 03:48:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f174.google.com) (209.85.160.174) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2012 03:48:17 -0000 X-Received: by ghrr11 with SMTP id r11so946801ghr.19 for ; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:48:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.154.232 with SMTP id h68mr1446632yhk.51.1328154496543; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:48:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k15sm1799568yhf.11.2012.02.01.19.48.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:48:15 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:48:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <90104C62-1FA0-48E1-8ADE-D4F8C99F6258@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old 15khz vs. iboc noise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=U5NZuEaJN3jhJNj6K4ime7MEsz3CMJbowP0e_5MwDYK9xSYA3x_cll24b2GjwA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 1, 2012, at 10:41 PM, Jota wrote: > I guess it should be very hard to get a decent "AM radio" today. It is very difficult to find in stores. > Here, we don't have any commercial IBOC tuner (and I hope we'd never have one). Most HD-Radios have CQUAM in them. > BTW, Is there some kind of "simple" RDS system (I mean, station ID, song title, actual temperature, etc.) compatible with C-QUAM today? ??? Nope! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 02 05:24:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33723 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2012 13:23:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2012 13:23:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.200) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2012 13:23:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2012 13:23:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2012 13:23:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2012 13:23:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:23:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <90104C62-1FA0-48E1-8ADE-D4F8C99F6258@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: AM Radio "RDS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=YiduXOy6ehmPAgyMyo-Py45_OE56ytWRjewMWcb4vml2anO3QGJxs70 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio IIRC, the originally approved Magnavox analog AM Stereo system DID have a w= ay to send a very slow data stream down at 5Hz that could at least transmit= the stations' call letters? Does anybody recall this? Of course, Uncle Leonard Kahn's CAM-D system had full PAD info, worked with= his ISB stereo radios and had a digital audio top end - all good things - = too bad it wasn't tested along with CQUAM, DRM and IBOC before they gave th= e IBOC exclusivity in the digital radio on AM. 73 John From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 02 06:16:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19597 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2012 14:16:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2012 14:16:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f181.google.com) (209.85.216.181) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2012 14:16:57 -0000 X-Received: by qcsd17 with SMTP id d17so1364162qcs.12 for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:16:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.180.67 with SMTP id bt3mr4191863qab.6.1328192214564; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:16:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s18sm5800081qaz.15.2012.02.02.06.16.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:16:53 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:16:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Radio "RDS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Xnksg9lwwVxFqCzkO5DW_XS7W8FZha1Cj36PZc9OgN5wx-9QcMaqaGyaCGaPfw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:23 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > IIRC, the originally approved Magnavox analog AM Stereo system DID have a way to send a very slow data stream down at 5Hz that could at least transmit the stations' call letters? Does anybody recall this? Yes, but the Magnavox system is no longer legal to transmit. > Of course, Uncle Leonard Kahn's CAM-D system had full PAD info, worked with his ISB stereo radios and had a digital audio top end - all good things - too bad it wasn't tested along with CQUAM, DRM and IBOC before they gave the IBOC exclusivity in the digital radio on AM. Lenny had some Great Ideas to make AM sound good. Too bad he already pissed off so many people. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From boogie350@yahoo.com Thu Feb 02 08:38:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58976 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2012 16:38:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2012 16:38:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.53.220) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2012 16:38:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.190] by nm23.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2012 16:38:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.163] by tm3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2012 16:38:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2012 16:38:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 261204.77328.bm@omp1046.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 79585 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2012 16:38:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Sil7TbAVM1ncO1GKyv1h8d6ZkiHXH8gDkY11rfjpm5Ajc_7 3piQ- X-Received: from [24.11.71.48] by web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 08:38:19 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 Message-ID: <1328200699.56823.YahooMailNeo@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:38:19 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.53.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Reply-To: Boogie350 Subject: Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=su0wZso6f20Ek6bkVepaDjAHPDcb8JGUvX-xwZgBW4Ueudq5 X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >WCKI is the worst sounding station we have because I can't cut down the=20 Bandwidth of the Audio Processing, so it sucks up tons of noise, along=20 with the actual Audio< Sucking up noise isn't a "bandwidth" issue, it's a "compression threshold" = issue. What kind of processing is it using? Is there no INPUT LEVEL trimpot= ? If the input is that hot, throw an "H Pad" in there... only 5 resistors a= nd it preserves the polarity and impedance. The lower the shunt value, the = more attenuation. =A0 Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter h= ogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good= thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let = me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 02 10:21:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61396 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2012 18:21:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2012 18:21:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f51.google.com) (209.85.213.51) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2012 18:21:44 -0000 X-Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so1248538yhr.38 for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:21:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.161.103 with SMTP id v67mr6052445yhk.87.1328206903616; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:21:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v7sm4887822yhi.1.2012.02.02.10.21.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:21:41 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:21:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1328200699.56823.YahooMailNeo@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1328200699.56823.YahooMailNeo@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4FC6B19F-4799-4991-8838-213C6E9D4E86@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=0UBk_NkZC5MXbN7fP2y7EW14R8OmdKMz8sHZWwYz8hGV0w8y51OoP_tTZA_a2g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Boogie350 wrote: > Sucking up noise isn't a "bandwidth" issue, it's a "compression threshold" issue. What kind of processing is it using? WCKI is using a properly set up CRL AM-4 Processing Chain. > Is there no INPUT LEVEL trimpot? If the input is that hot, throw an "H Pad" in there... only 5 resistors and it preserves the polarity and impedance. The lower the shunt value, the more attenuation. The problem is, the Network feed has 5 KHz Audio, but has a Ton of Noise up to about 8 KHz. and at least some of the noise is in front of the Network's Compressor that is also sucking it up. This is a 1990 Vintage audio chain that I can't cut the bandwidth down more than NRSC. The difference between local production and network programming is very dramatic as far as Signal to Noise ratio and Audio Fidelity. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 02 14:28:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89004 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2012 22:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2012 22:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-06.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.166) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2012 22:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120202162832000859700010> for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:28:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F2B0E0E.8050709@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:28:30 -0600 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:28:32 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120202-2, 02/02/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Radio "RDS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=C_LViGFAYVfspfR05U3N8e4WYQ5UCVUm7CVeYugGs5OQ5foJJEJj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 2/2/2012 8:17 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:23 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > > > IIRC, the originally approved Magnavox analog AM Stereo system DID > have a way to send a very slow data stream down at 5Hz that could at > least transmit the stations' call letters? Does anybody recall this? > > Yes, but the Magnavox system is no longer legal to transmit. > Speaking of a Magnavox type transmitter, you might remember my mentioning someone building a tube type AM stereo transmitter. It's essentially a Magnavox but with the Motorola pilot frequency. The guy finalized the circuit so if you want to possibly build one or just check it out: http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=181371 Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 02 18:45:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21731 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2012 02:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2012 02:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.122) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2012 02:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 02:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 02:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 02:45:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:45:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F2B0E0E.8050709@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.63 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Radio "RDS" and AM Audio Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vbKDkIBAhR_QhrokW38jeDSCmBWvDP_FLWrdAGPpFBwOTUCf6A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! But, if you let me insist, I wonder... if the pilot tone inside the C-QUAM = system is just useful to light the tuners stereo warning lights... Why no t= o use it (25 HZ) to transmit some information? ??? The C-QUAM tone is transparent to any mono tuner and is totally removed fro= m the audio path into the C-QUAM decoding circuit, so... it is a very "usab= le" signal at all. Just an idea. BTW, I know most of the people can't "catch" low frecuencies as 25 HZ or so= . BUT... 25 HZ is a very important musical tone. It is very close to 27.5 H= Z, which is the "basis" musical note =3D A0. Actually, it is between the G0= (24.5 HZ) and the G#/Ab (26 HZ). So... I wonder if nobody claimed to chang= e it to a lower frecuency to avoid to "cut" those wonderful frecuencies (be= cause, I assume, a good C-QUAM AM Stereo exciter should have a very efficie= nt high pass filter to eliminate any below 50 HZ, which is a necessary issu= e with the old plate modulated TXs but I think not with the today TXs, or A= m I wrong?). Nobody asked for it? ??? About the AM audio bandwidth, I want to add that almost all the "traditiona= l" or "acoustic" musical instruments (including the whole human voice range= ) rarely have something worthy to be noted above 12 KHZ (it is specially no= torious with classical and beautiful music). Most of the time, the recordin= gs have nothing useful above 8 or 9 KHZ. Only the electronic instruments (synthesizers, etc.) have a lot of white no= ise mixed with the elementary and natural tones to get that new "rich" soun= d. BUT... The first time we hear that "new" rich sound (with a lot of treble r= ange), it is... interesting. Second time, it is funny. Third time, it is...= "good vibrations". But, then, it becomes to be some... annoying. Maybe it is what I hate about the typical "digital" recordings, specially M= P3s: too much trebles. Just ideas from an old mad man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 2/2/2012 8:17 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:23 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > > > > > IIRC, the originally approved Magnavox analog AM Stereo system DID > > have a way to send a very slow data stream down at 5Hz that could at > > least transmit the stations' call letters? Does anybody recall this? > > > > Yes, but the Magnavox system is no longer legal to transmit. > > >=20 > Speaking of a Magnavox type transmitter, you might remember my=20 > mentioning someone building a tube type AM stereo transmitter. It's=20 > essentially a Magnavox but with the Motorola pilot frequency. The guy=20 > finalized the circuit so if you want to possibly build one or just check= =20 > it out: http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3D12&t=3D181371 >=20 > Scott Todd > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 02 21:53:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90205 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2012 05:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2012 05:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.252) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2012 05:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 05:53:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:53:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.114 From: "Jota" Subject: Microphones advice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Ezt2m_4bvgi1MT4kLU6HD-iJRg_dP5YFNYuYZGcvkJdLjWKaJA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I want to ask some advice from you about GAUGE MICROPHONES, specifically th= e ECM-87 model. Do you know it? Does it have the super good sound they say it has? Do you r= ecommend it? ??? Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! 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I he rigth?? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: torsdag, 2 februari 2012 19:21 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Boogie350 wrote: > Sucking up noise isn't a "bandwidth" issue, it's a "compression threshold= " issue. What kind of processing is it using? WCKI is using a properly set up CRL AM-4 Processing Chain. > Is there no INPUT LEVEL trimpot? If the input is that hot, throw an "H Pa= d" in there... only 5 resistors and it preserves the polarity and impedance= . The lower the shunt value, the more attenuation. The problem is, the Network feed has 5 KHz Audio, but has a Ton of Noise up= to about 8 KHz. and at least some of the noise is in front of the Network'= s Compressor that is also sucking it up. This is a 1990 Vintage audio chain= that I can't cut the bandwidth down more than NRSC. The difference between= local production and network programming is very dramatic as far as Signal= to Noise ratio and Audio Fidelity. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Feb 03 04:43:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53501 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2012 12:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2012 12:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.180) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2012 12:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 12:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 12:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 12:42:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:42:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1328253007.73577.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.138.215.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.73.188 From: "pdmtr" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=vk6HHpkuC5-Cd55lw20usXNG8YlJ0Vnts4DHgPCy5xY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Well...=20 OK! Someone is trying to compare a gas engine and a diesel engine... about = their horsepower!!! Well... both can achieve the same horsepower, depending= of the size and other technical matters!=20 Not sure if someone can compare to completely different things like AM CQUA= M & DAB ! Compare them for what exactly? To conclude about wich of the 2 is= best to use for the same application inside the same band? Is DAB availabl= e for Medium Wave broadcasting! Does it work INSIDE the AM Band, meaning wo= rking in the 530 to 1710KHz ? Well, first you've got to set the demands for= what you're going to compare! Is AM CQUAM Analog stereo system the best wa= y to transmit at 170 - 230MHz ? !!! Let's start from a point that will be r= elated to what is what, and what is something for!=20 However... I;m not sure if a guy who claims that DAB is better than an anal= og system like the CQUAM in the 15KHz audio edge... have ever listened to C= QUAM with AMAX bandwidth specifications!!! And of course then we will have = to discuss about the different oppinions that coming from all around the wo= rld, regarding what is the most natural and good sounding reproduction way/= media, the analog or the digital with its psycoacoustic algorithms and comp= ression!!! Depends on what we think as the most natural sound! Of course th= e analog way ie. CQUAM AM and ZENITH FM, has some drawback as it needs the = pre-de - emphasis to sound good! The digital systems... say they don't have= that! Correct! They do have instead the psychoacoustic algorithms for comp= ression of data, during encoding & decoding! So... at least from that is cl= ear that there is a real loss of natural sound information!!! Might not be = easy to hear it or understand it, although many people can, but it is a rea= lity that can't be avoided for a digital system to work!=20 DAB isn't something that will work in an MW (medium wave0 or lower HF (also= called as short wave) bands! Sorry! Even DRM isn't a complete realiable so= lution, for AM Band, yet! How someone is trying to compare it, the DAB, wit= h an AM CQUAM Analog system THAT HAS PROVED already & for many years that w= orks in Medium Wave band, and IMHO it works excellent!!!=20 For getting a 15KHz audio from it... leave the bandwidth mask of the AM tra= snmitters & receivers, to a level that can pass it... and then compare the = 2 systems IN THE SAME TRANSMISSION WORKING FREQUENCY!!!=20=20 If we want to make such a comparison, regardless band of transmission, fair= , then lets add another system, a 3rd one, and compare all of them to see w= hat is the "best" for whoever do the test!!! Add the DVB-S the satelite bro= adcasting system for video!!! It can deliver excellent sound... better than= DAB... and you can benefit that it also delivers... moving images and even= in 3D lately! Ask Mr... I forgot his name... if he had really heard/worked an AM CQUAM wi= deband receiver and transmitter! That's the first he has to answer! Then le= t's talk about all the others...=20 =20=20 =20=20 =20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi,=20 > i'm just in disscutations with James Cridland about am stereo and more au= dio bandwitdth up to 15 kHz. > he says that dab is better than am stereo in 15 kHz. I he rigth?? >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: torsdag, 2 februari 2012 19:21 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Boogie350 wrote: >=20 > > Sucking up noise isn't a "bandwidth" issue, it's a "compression thresho= ld" issue. What kind of processing is it using? >=20 > WCKI is using a properly set up CRL AM-4 Processing Chain. >=20 > > Is there no INPUT LEVEL trimpot? If the input is that hot, throw an "H = Pad" in there... only 5 resistors and it preserves the polarity and impedan= ce. The lower the shunt value, the more attenuation. >=20 > The problem is, the Network feed has 5 KHz Audio, but has a Ton of Noise = up to about 8 KHz. and at least some of the noise is in front of the Networ= k's Compressor that is also sucking it up. This is a 1990 Vintage audio cha= in that I can't cut the bandwidth down more than NRSC. The difference betwe= en local production and network programming is very dramatic as far as Sign= al to Noise ratio and Audio Fidelity. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Feb 03 05:34:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77802 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2012 13:34:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2012 13:34:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.234) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2012 13:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.181] by nm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 13:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.63] by tm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 13:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 13:34:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 831054.88782.bm@omp1032.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73539 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2012 13:34:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oiABctkVM1mDe2a216viTcvaITMVjGLgTasg.ll0CHTCdIq 1lCPcrxpt X-Received: from [46.195.20.241] by web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:34:49 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <1328253007.73577.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1328276089.73514.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:34:49 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.234 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=xmtYDi-gaSIN0iOVaeroaToz0jdqgBMnugyyQxQ3T5uBylw X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dab+ 15kHz, FM 15 kHz, AM 15 kHz all stereo,=C2=A0conclusion; your voice is= analouge, your ears are analouge. What will be the conclousion??? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: pdmtr Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 3 februari 2012 13:42 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Well...=20 OK! Someone is trying to compare a gas engine and a diesel engine... about = their horsepower!!! Well... both can achieve the same horsepower, depending= of the size and other technical matters!=20 Not sure if someone can compare to completely different things like AM CQUA= M & DAB ! Compare them for what exactly? To conclude about wich of the 2 is= best to use for the same application inside the same band? Is DAB availabl= e for Medium Wave broadcasting! Does it work INSIDE the AM Band, meaning wo= rking in the 530 to 1710KHz ? Well, first you've got to set the demands for= what you're going to compare! Is AM CQUAM Analog stereo system the best wa= y to transmit at 170 - 230MHz ? !!! Let's start from a point that will be r= elated to what is what, and what is something for!=20 However... I;m not sure if a guy who claims that DAB is better than an anal= og system like the CQUAM in the 15KHz audio edge... have ever listened to C= QUAM with AMAX bandwidth specifications!!! And of course then we will have = to discuss about the different oppinions that coming from all around the wo= rld, regarding what is the most natural and good sounding reproduction way/= media, the analog or the digital with its psycoacoustic algorithms and comp= ression!!! Depends on what we think as the most natural sound! Of course th= e analog way ie. CQUAM AM and ZENITH FM, has some drawback as it needs the = pre-de - emphasis to sound good! The digital systems... say they don't have= that! Correct! They do have instead the psychoacoustic algorithms for comp= ression of data, during encoding & decoding! So... at least from that is cl= ear that there is a real loss of natural sound information!!! Might not be = easy to hear it or understand it, although many people can, but it is a reality that can't be avoided for a digital system to work!=20 DAB isn't something that will work in an MW (medium wave0 or lower HF (also= called as short wave) bands! Sorry! Even DRM isn't a complete realiable so= lution, for AM Band, yet! How someone is trying to compare it, the DAB, wit= h an AM CQUAM Analog system THAT HAS PROVED already & for many years that w= orks in Medium Wave band, and IMHO it works excellent!!!=20 For getting a 15KHz audio from it... leave the bandwidth mask of the AM tra= snmitters & receivers, to a level that can pass it... and then compare the = 2 systems IN THE SAME TRANSMISSION WORKING FREQUENCY!!!=20 If we want to make such a comparison, regardless band of transmission, fair= , then lets add another system, a 3rd one, and compare all of them to see w= hat is the "best" for whoever do the test!!! Add the DVB-S the satelite bro= adcasting system for video!!! It can deliver excellent sound... better than= DAB... and you can benefit that it also delivers... moving images and even= in 3D lately! Ask Mr... I forgot his name... if he had really heard/worked an AM CQUAM wi= deband receiver and transmitter! That's the first he has to answer! Then le= t's talk about all the others...=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi,=20 > i'm just in disscutations with James Cridland about am stereo and more au= dio bandwitdth up to 15 kHz. > he says that dab is better than am stereo in 15 kHz. I he rigth?? >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: torsdag, 2 februari 2012 19:21 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 >=20 >=20 > On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Boogie350 wrote: >=20 > > Sucking up noise isn't a "bandwidth" issue, it's a "compression thresho= ld" issue. What kind of processing is it using? >=20 > WCKI is using a properly set up CRL AM-4 Processing Chain. >=20 > > Is there no INPUT LEVEL trimpot? If the input is that hot, throw an "H = Pad" in there... only 5 resistors and it preserves the polarity and impedan= ce. The lower the shunt value, the more attenuation. >=20 > The problem is, the Network feed has 5 KHz Audio, but has a Ton of Noise = up to about 8 KHz. and at least some of the noise is in front of the Networ= k's Compressor that is also sucking it up. This is a 1990 Vintage audio cha= in that I can't cut the bandwidth down more than NRSC. The difference betwe= en local production and network programming is very dramatic as far as Sign= al to Noise ratio and Audio Fidelity. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 03 06:15:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67169 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2012 14:15:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2012 14:15:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.44) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2012 14:15:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.83] by ng4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 14:15:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 14:15:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 14:15:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:15:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1328253007.73577.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=SiprwD1L8t3mInx736iaDkSAPd8YNRVjDN02LkR7kwCBZg4NLYaJ5HU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Roy, Pose this qustion: would you rather hear a full-frequency 180gram vinyl LP,= or listen to the same recording as an MP3 file? Then you have your answer. If you don't mind the tricks of audio compression schemes of removing 'unne= eded audio', and somtimes fake/metallic sound then DAB / MP3 files are for = you; but if you're like me and love the sound a fresh LP, or a 96KHz WAV fi= le, then you'll prefer a 15KHz AM stereo transmission. I believe DAB/DAB+ has to play the same games as satellite radio, where the= more you add, the lower the bitrate and the worse/fake-sounding the record= ing gets.=20=20 That's my 2 cents. 73 John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: ...Hi,=20 i'm just in disscutations with James Cridland about am stereo and more audi= o bandwitdth up to 15 kHz. he says that dab is better than am stereo in 15 kHz. I he rigth?? > > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Fri Feb 03 07:07:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44734 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2012 15:07:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2012 15:07:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lpp01m020-f173.google.com) (209.85.217.173) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2012 15:07:25 -0000 X-Received: by lbbgf7 with SMTP id gf7so708259lbb.32 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:07:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.48.193 with SMTP id o1mr2026611lbn.1.1328281643766; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:07:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.101.200 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 07:07:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1328276089.73514.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <1328253007.73577.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1328276089.73514.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 23:07:23 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=Iq4Kn9fd8aLWqw-U-wJAz_KZQqGVYtjZ9tkgxt0Sl2lxXeGK X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Digital done properly is a perfect representation of analogue (according to Nyquist theory and eccentric maths professor),and the original analogue can be recovered so analogue vs digital is neither here nor there :-). The question is which of the two methods DAB or AM is the closer representation of the original signal. AM can also be a perfect representation of the original signal. The difference lies in what happens to the signal before it reaches the transmitter, and what happens to the signal between the transmitter and the receiver, and what happens in the receiver (we know that most AM receivers leave something to be desired so we can exclude this difference). Before the transmitter, both DAB and AM make changes to the signal. This can include compression and low pass filtering. In the case of DAB, a pure uncompressed PCM signal would occupy a huge radio bandwidth (more than 1Mhz). Therefore lossy compression is used. The lower the number of bits (digital symbols that represent the sound) that can be used to represent the original signal, the less accurate the representation of the original signal becomes. With low bitrate DAB+, a trick is used to more accurately encode the lower frequencies. A band limited representation of the signal is allocated most of the bits/bandwidth while allowing the receiver to guess the high frequency content based on the frequency content of the lower (sub 10kHz) frequencies. This is called Spectral Band Replication or SBR. A small number of bits is used to guide the high frequency content. (I guess an AM receiver could 'guess' the high frequency content as well??) Many people have found the stations employing this technique to sound artificial in the high frequency range. Between the tx and the receiver, digital has the potential to keep the signal, in this case a series of numbers representing the AAC sound stream, in a way that the receiver can reproduce the transmitted message verbatim. For AM, noise is directly added onto the transmitted signal. I guess which is best depends on which of these 'artefacts' are least offensive to you. Hope this makes sense, It's pretty late here. Dan On 3 February 2012 21:34, Roy Sandgren wrote: > ** > > > Dab+ 15kHz, FM 15 kHz, AM 15 kHz all stereo, conclusion; your voice is > analouge, your ears are analouge. What will be the conclousion??? > > > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > > > ________________________________ > Fr=E5n: pdmtr > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: fredag, 3 februari 2012 13:42 > =C4mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth > > > > > > Well... > OK! Someone is trying to compare a gas engine and a diesel engine... abou= t > their horsepower!!! Well... both can achieve the same horsepower, dependi= ng > of the size and other technical matters! > Not sure if someone can compare to completely different things like AM > CQUAM & DAB ! Compare them for what exactly? To conclude about wich of th= e > 2 is best to use for the same application inside the same band? Is DAB > available for Medium Wave broadcasting! Does it work INSIDE the AM Band, > meaning working in the 530 to 1710KHz ? Well, first you've got to set the > demands for what you're going to compare! Is AM CQUAM Analog stereo syste= m > the best way to transmit at 170 - 230MHz ? !!! Let's start from a point > that will be related to what is what, and what is something for! > However... I;m not sure if a guy who claims that DAB is better than an > analog system like the CQUAM in the 15KHz audio edge... have ever listene= d > to CQUAM with AMAX bandwidth specifications!!! And of course then we will > have to discuss about the different oppinions that coming from all around > the world, regarding what is the most natural and good sounding > reproduction way/media, the analog or the digital with its psycoacoustic > algorithms and compression!!! Depends on what we think as the most natura= l > sound! Of course the analog way ie. CQUAM AM and ZENITH FM, has some > drawback as it needs the pre-de - emphasis to sound good! The digital > systems... say they don't have that! Correct! They do have instead the > psychoacoustic algorithms for compression of data, during encoding & > decoding! So... at least from that is clear that there is a real loss of > natural sound information!!! Might not be easy to hear it or understand i= t, > although many people can, but it > is a reality that can't be avoided for a digital system to work! > DAB isn't something that will work in an MW (medium wave0 or lower HF > (also called as short wave) bands! Sorry! Even DRM isn't a complete > realiable solution, for AM Band, yet! How someone is trying to compare it= , > the DAB, with an AM CQUAM Analog system THAT HAS PROVED already & for man= y > years that works in Medium Wave band, and IMHO it works excellent!!! > For getting a 15KHz audio from it... leave the bandwidth mask of the AM > trasnmitters & receivers, to a level that can pass it... and then compare > the 2 systems IN THE SAME TRANSMISSION WORKING FREQUENCY!!! > If we want to make such a comparison, regardless band of transmission, > fair, then lets add another system, a 3rd one, and compare all of them to > see what is the "best" for whoever do the test!!! Add the DVB-S the > satelite broadcasting system for video!!! It can deliver excellent sound.= .. > better than DAB... and you can benefit that it also delivers... moving > images and even in 3D lately! > > Ask Mr... I forgot his name... if he had really heard/worked an AM CQUAM > wideband receiver and transmitter! That's the first he has to answer! The= n > let's talk about all the others... > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > Hi, > > i'm just in disscutations with James Cridland about am stereo and more > audio bandwitdth up to 15 kHz. > > he says that dab is better than am stereo in 15 kHz. I he rigth?? > > > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > HASDA-EUROPE > > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: torsdag, 2 februari 2012 19:21 > > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth > > > > > > > > =C2 > > > > > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Boogie350 wrote: > > > > > Sucking up noise isn't a "bandwidth" issue, it's a "compression > threshold" issue. What kind of processing is it using? > > > > WCKI is using a properly set up CRL AM-4 Processing Chain. > > > > > Is there no INPUT LEVEL trimpot? If the input is that hot, throw an "= H > Pad" in there... only 5 resistors and it preserves the polarity and > impedance. The lower the shunt value, the more attenuation. > > > > The problem is, the Network feed has 5 KHz Audio, but has a Ton of Nois= e > up to about 8 KHz. and at least some of the noise is in front of the > Network's Compressor that is also sucking it up. This is a 1990 Vintage > audio chain that I can't cut the bandwidth down more than NRSC. The > difference between local production and network programming is very > dramatic as far as Signal to Noise ratio and Audio Fidelity. > > > > 73, > > Kevin Raper > > KJ4HYD > > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Fri Feb 03 07:26:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61892 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2012 15:26:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2012 15:26:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com) (209.85.215.43) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2012 15:26:36 -0000 X-Received: by lagp5 with SMTP id p5so2884449lag.30 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:26:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.131.40 with SMTP id oj8mr4022984lab.24.1328282794820; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:26:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.101.200 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 07:26:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1328253007.73577.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1328276089.73514.YahooMailNeo@web28212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 23:26:34 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=NbIq6uYJq9a4SFozkgY59wbTsDTWHMDXHFv4DxxraYegdYHw X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kind of rehashes what ptmdr and John said :-) I was also meant to add that DAB+ at 48kbps still uses substantially more radio bandwidth than an AM station running full 15kHz audio. On 3 February 2012 23:07, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > Digital done properly is a perfect representation of analogue (according > to Nyquist theory and eccentric maths professor),and the original analogu= e > can be recovered so analogue vs digital is neither here nor there :-). Th= e > question is which of the two methods DAB or AM is the closer representati= on > of the original signal. > > AM can also be a perfect representation of the original signal. The > difference lies in what happens to the signal before it reaches the > transmitter, and what happens to the signal between the transmitter and t= he > receiver, and what happens in the receiver (we know that most AM receiver= s > leave something to be desired so we can exclude this difference). > > Before the transmitter, both DAB and AM make changes to the signal. This > can include compression and low pass filtering. In the case of DAB, a pur= e > uncompressed PCM signal would occupy a huge radio bandwidth (more than > 1Mhz). Therefore lossy compression is used. The lower the number of bits > (digital symbols that represent the sound) that can be used to represent > the original signal, the less accurate the representation of the original > signal becomes. > > With low bitrate DAB+, a trick is used to more accurately encode the lowe= r > frequencies. A band limited representation of the signal is allocated mos= t > of the bits/bandwidth while allowing the receiver to guess the high > frequency content based on the frequency content of the lower (sub 10kHz) > frequencies. This is called Spectral Band Replication or SBR. A small > number of bits is used to guide the high frequency content. (I guess an A= M > receiver could 'guess' the high frequency content as well??) Many people > have found the stations employing this technique to sound artificial in t= he > high frequency range. > > Between the tx and the receiver, digital has the potential to keep the > signal, in this case a series of numbers representing the AAC sound strea= m, > in a way that the receiver can reproduce the transmitted message verbatim= . > For AM, noise is directly added onto the transmitted signal. > > I guess which is best depends on which of these 'artefacts' are least > offensive to you. > > Hope this makes sense, It's pretty late here. > > Dan > > On 3 February 2012 21:34, Roy Sandgren wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Dab+ 15kHz, FM 15 kHz, AM 15 kHz all stereo, conclusion; your voice is >> analouge, your ears are analouge. What will be the conclousion??? >> >> >> Bests from >> Roy Sandgren >> HASDA-EUROPE >> AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Fr=E5n: pdmtr >> Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >> Skickat: fredag, 3 februari 2012 13:42 >> =C4mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth >> >> >> >> >> >> Well... >> OK! Someone is trying to compare a gas engine and a diesel engine... >> about their horsepower!!! Well... both can achieve the same horsepower, >> depending of the size and other technical matters! >> Not sure if someone can compare to completely different things like AM >> CQUAM & DAB ! Compare them for what exactly? To conclude about wich of t= he >> 2 is best to use for the same application inside the same band? Is DAB >> available for Medium Wave broadcasting! Does it work INSIDE the AM Band, >> meaning working in the 530 to 1710KHz ? Well, first you've got to set th= e >> demands for what you're going to compare! Is AM CQUAM Analog stereo syst= em >> the best way to transmit at 170 - 230MHz ? !!! Let's start from a point >> that will be related to what is what, and what is something for! >> However... I;m not sure if a guy who claims that DAB is better than an >> analog system like the CQUAM in the 15KHz audio edge... have ever listen= ed >> to CQUAM with AMAX bandwidth specifications!!! And of course then we wil= l >> have to discuss about the different oppinions that coming from all aroun= d >> the world, regarding what is the most natural and good sounding >> reproduction way/media, the analog or the digital with its psycoacoustic >> algorithms and compression!!! Depends on what we think as the most natur= al >> sound! Of course the analog way ie. CQUAM AM and ZENITH FM, has some >> drawback as it needs the pre-de - emphasis to sound good! The digital >> systems... say they don't have that! Correct! They do have instead the >> psychoacoustic algorithms for compression of data, during encoding & >> decoding! So... at least from that is clear that there is a real loss of >> natural sound information!!! Might not be easy to hear it or understand = it, >> although many people can, but it >> is a reality that can't be avoided for a digital system to work! >> DAB isn't something that will work in an MW (medium wave0 or lower HF >> (also called as short wave) bands! Sorry! Even DRM isn't a complete >> realiable solution, for AM Band, yet! How someone is trying to compare i= t, >> the DAB, with an AM CQUAM Analog system THAT HAS PROVED already & for ma= ny >> years that works in Medium Wave band, and IMHO it works excellent!!! >> For getting a 15KHz audio from it... leave the bandwidth mask of the AM >> trasnmitters & receivers, to a level that can pass it... and then compar= e >> the 2 systems IN THE SAME TRANSMISSION WORKING FREQUENCY!!! >> If we want to make such a comparison, regardless band of transmission, >> fair, then lets add another system, a 3rd one, and compare all of them t= o >> see what is the "best" for whoever do the test!!! Add the DVB-S the >> satelite broadcasting system for video!!! It can deliver excellent sound= ... >> better than DAB... and you can benefit that it also delivers... moving >> images and even in 3D lately! >> >> Ask Mr... I forgot his name... if he had really heard/worked an AM CQUAM >> wideband receiver and transmitter! That's the first he has to answer! Th= en >> let's talk about all the others... >> >> --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > i'm just in disscutations with James Cridland about am stereo and more >> audio bandwitdth up to 15 kHz. >> > he says that dab is better than am stereo in 15 kHz. I he rigth?? >> > >> > Bests from >> > Roy Sandgren >> > HASDA-EUROPE >> > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper >> > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >> > Skickat: torsdag, 2 februari 2012 19:21 >> > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth >> > >> > >> > >> > =C2 >> > >> > >> > On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Boogie350 wrote: >> > >> > > Sucking up noise isn't a "bandwidth" issue, it's a "compression >> threshold" issue. What kind of processing is it using? >> > >> > WCKI is using a properly set up CRL AM-4 Processing Chain. >> > >> > > Is there no INPUT LEVEL trimpot? If the input is that hot, throw an >> "H Pad" in there... only 5 resistors and it preserves the polarity and >> impedance. The lower the shunt value, the more attenuation. >> > >> > The problem is, the Network feed has 5 KHz Audio, but has a Ton of >> Noise up to about 8 KHz. and at least some of the noise is in front of t= he >> Network's Compressor that is also sucking it up. This is a 1990 Vintage >> audio chain that I can't cut the bandwidth down more than NRSC. The >> difference between local production and network programming is very >> dramatic as far as Signal to Noise ratio and Audio Fidelity. >> > >> > 73, >> > Kevin Raper >> > KJ4HYD >> > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >> > >> > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematica= l >> standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >>=20=20 >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Feb 03 08:10:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6267 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2012 16:10:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2012 16:10:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f45.google.com) (209.85.213.45) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2012 16:10:15 -0000 X-Received: by yhjj63 with SMTP id j63so1982285yhj.18 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:10:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.174.6 with SMTP id w6mr11895284yhl.106.1328285415477; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:10:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b4sm14095194and.18.2012.02.03.08.10.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:10:14 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 11:10:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1328253007.73577.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1328200699.56823.YahooMailNeo@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4FC6B19F-4799-4991-8838-213C6E9D4E86@gmail.com> <1328253007.73577.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=wfWwapaxPd4wbZoxvGdt9l94HU7mYZgNIq2II_MjiFdwebRn3nBudS3C-UUAHw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 3, 2012, at 2:10 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > i'm just in disscutations with James Cridland about am stereo and more audio bandwitdth up to 15 kHz. > he says that dab is better than am stereo in 15 kHz. I he rigth?? All Else being equal, the Analog CQUAM signal will sound more "Lifelike" than the Low Bitrate Stream of DAB. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Feb 03 09:07:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8820 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2012 17:07:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2012 17:07:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.158) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2012 17:07:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 17:07:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 17:07:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2012 17:07:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:07:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.73.188 From: "pdmtr" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=hRogmIGoiF2MppE4j_8o6ZIgAnJ0EMylmGJozqCayYc X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT!!!=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Feb 3, 2012, at 2:10 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > i'm just in disscutations with James Cridland about am stereo and more = audio bandwitdth up to 15 kHz. > > he says that dab is better than am stereo in 15 kHz. I he rigth?? >=20 >=20 > All Else being equal, the Analog CQUAM signal will sound more "Lifelike" = than the Low Bitrate Stream of DAB. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Feb 03 09:11:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87273 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2012 17:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2012 17:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f50.google.com) (209.85.213.50) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2012 17:11:56 -0000 X-Received: by yhpp61 with SMTP id p61so1982974yhp.37 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 09:11:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.187.5 with SMTP id x5mr12531244yhm.35.1328289114731; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 09:11:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u11sm14464348anc.12.2012.02.03.09.11.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 03 Feb 2012 09:11:49 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:11:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4F2B0E0E.8050709@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4F2B0E0E.8050709@usfamily.net> Message-Id: <12721781-3B6D-45BB-97DD-F657F548209E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Radio "RDS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=kzuQQQpiAoeuis53544wiD1aDNqxWGfWFfqVlC_0h1TPcwXpIF4nqugwfK7peg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > Speaking of a Magnavox type transmitter, you might remember my > mentioning someone building a tube type AM stereo transmitter. Yes, one of these days when I have time I will try to put one of those together. It looks like it would be a load of fun to play with. Gee Gads, I have been slammed now for 3 Weeks, and that is only supposed to happen in the Summer, not in the Middle of Winter! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 03 18:58:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46519 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2012 02:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2012 02:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.138) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2012 02:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2012 02:58:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2012 02:58:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2012 02:58:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:58:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.243 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yxON4ns9rSzsdoBSrizRf-uFSBDtgtYuPbBRl_msdgpnKIQ3JQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Daniel!!! I don't want to be annoying but, if our Creator would had wanted we were "d= igital sound listeners", He would had put some digital element into our bra= in, but... it isn't that way: OUR HEARING SYSTEM IS AN ABSOLUTELY ANALOG SO= UND SYSTEM. Period. Up to my very limited knowledge, all primary/first element of any Hi-Fi or = professional class microphone and all the stages of any audio power amplifi= er and speaker are analog systems. Summarizing: WE NEED ANALOG SOUND. Now, my friend, it is a fact that any digital data compressed audio CAN NOT= to represent the full original analog audio, because the "lossy" algorythm= aren't enough to avoid the loss. SO... the only way to get a full original analog audio FROM a digital recor= ding is... using (at least) 48,000 samples per second, 32 bits per sample, = 2 audio channels (stereo). Now, my friend, Can you explain me HOW YOU CAN PUT MORE THAN 96 KHZ OF UNCO= MPRESSED DIGITAL DATA INTO A 10 KHZ MAXIMUM BANDWIDTH (the typical AM chann= el bandwidth)? ??? Can you? ??? And, as I know, you can not do that... Which other system can put a very de= cent 10 KHZ audio bandwidth into the typical AM channel? ??? Guess... ANY ANALOG C-QUAM STEREO AM TX can do it!!! ANALOG ISB STEREO AM TX can do it!!! And... ANY MONO ANALOG AM TX can do it!!! SO.... the very good question I ask is... Where is the supposed real digita= l contribution in this case? ??? The today IBOC and DRM system inventors tell us one history. The facts (the= ugly truth) tell us another very different history. Plus the fact we have to pay a "tax" to the IBOC industry... SUMMARIZING... I choose the old, boring, prehistoric, "dynosauric", but ver= y reliable ANALOG AUDIO to my old, but still healthy and full usable, plate= modulated AM TX. At last... PLEASE, LEAVE THE DIGITAL AUDIO WHERE IT BELONGS: INSIDE THE PCs= , INTO THE STUDIO. JUST, LEAVE THE ANALOGUE WAVES IN THE AIR. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Digital done properly is a perfect representation of analogue (according = to > Nyquist theory and eccentric maths professor),and the original analogue c= an > be recovered so analogue vs digital is neither here nor there :-). The > question is which of the two methods DAB or AM is the closer representati= on > of the original signal. >=20 > AM can also be a perfect representation of the original signal. The > difference lies in what happens to the signal before it reaches the > transmitter, and what happens to the signal between the transmitter and t= he > receiver, and what happens in the receiver (we know that most AM receiver= s > leave something to be desired so we can exclude this difference). >=20 > Before the transmitter, both DAB and AM make changes to the signal. This > can include compression and low pass filtering. In the case of DAB, a pur= e > uncompressed PCM signal would occupy a huge radio bandwidth (more than > 1Mhz). Therefore lossy compression is used. The lower the number of bits > (digital symbols that represent the sound) that can be used to represent > the original signal, the less accurate the representation of the original > signal becomes. >=20 > With low bitrate DAB+, a trick is used to more accurately encode the lowe= r > frequencies. A band limited representation of the signal is allocated mos= t > of the bits/bandwidth while allowing the receiver to guess the high > frequency content based on the frequency content of the lower (sub 10kHz) > frequencies. This is called Spectral Band Replication or SBR. A small > number of bits is used to guide the high frequency content. (I guess an A= M > receiver could 'guess' the high frequency content as well??) Many people > have found the stations employing this technique to sound artificial in t= he > high frequency range. >=20 > Between the tx and the receiver, digital has the potential to keep the > signal, in this case a series of numbers representing the AAC sound strea= m, > in a way that the receiver can reproduce the transmitted message verbatim= . > For AM, noise is directly added onto the transmitted signal. >=20 > I guess which is best depends on which of these 'artefacts' are least > offensive to you. >=20 > Hope this makes sense, It's pretty late here. >=20 > Dan >=20 > On 3 February 2012 21:34, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Dab+ 15kHz, FM 15 kHz, AM 15 kHz all stereo, conclusion; your voice is > > analouge, your ears are analouge. What will be the conclousion??? > > > > > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > HASDA-EUROPE > > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Fr=E5n: pdmtr > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: fredag, 3 februari 2012 13:42 > > =C4mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth > > > > > > > > > > > > Well... > > OK! Someone is trying to compare a gas engine and a diesel engine... ab= out > > their horsepower!!! Well... both can achieve the same horsepower, depen= ding > > of the size and other technical matters! > > Not sure if someone can compare to completely different things like AM > > CQUAM & DAB ! Compare them for what exactly? To conclude about wich of = the > > 2 is best to use for the same application inside the same band? Is DAB > > available for Medium Wave broadcasting! Does it work INSIDE the AM Band= , > > meaning working in the 530 to 1710KHz ? Well, first you've got to set t= he > > demands for what you're going to compare! Is AM CQUAM Analog stereo sys= tem > > the best way to transmit at 170 - 230MHz ? !!! Let's start from a point > > that will be related to what is what, and what is something for! > > However... I;m not sure if a guy who claims that DAB is better than an > > analog system like the CQUAM in the 15KHz audio edge... have ever liste= ned > > to CQUAM with AMAX bandwidth specifications!!! And of course then we wi= ll > > have to discuss about the different oppinions that coming from all arou= nd > > the world, regarding what is the most natural and good sounding > > reproduction way/media, the analog or the digital with its psycoacousti= c > > algorithms and compression!!! Depends on what we think as the most natu= ral > > sound! Of course the analog way ie. CQUAM AM and ZENITH FM, has some > > drawback as it needs the pre-de - emphasis to sound good! The digital > > systems... say they don't have that! Correct! They do have instead the > > psychoacoustic algorithms for compression of data, during encoding & > > decoding! So... at least from that is clear that there is a real loss o= f > > natural sound information!!! Might not be easy to hear it or understand= it, > > although many people can, but it > > is a reality that can't be avoided for a digital system to work! > > DAB isn't something that will work in an MW (medium wave0 or lower HF > > (also called as short wave) bands! Sorry! Even DRM isn't a complete > > realiable solution, for AM Band, yet! How someone is trying to compare = it, > > the DAB, with an AM CQUAM Analog system THAT HAS PROVED already & for m= any > > years that works in Medium Wave band, and IMHO it works excellent!!! > > For getting a 15KHz audio from it... leave the bandwidth mask of the AM > > trasnmitters & receivers, to a level that can pass it... and then compa= re > > the 2 systems IN THE SAME TRANSMISSION WORKING FREQUENCY!!! > > If we want to make such a comparison, regardless band of transmission, > > fair, then lets add another system, a 3rd one, and compare all of them = to > > see what is the "best" for whoever do the test!!! Add the DVB-S the > > satelite broadcasting system for video!!! It can deliver excellent soun= d... > > better than DAB... and you can benefit that it also delivers... moving > > images and even in 3D lately! > > > > Ask Mr... I forgot his name... if he had really heard/worked an AM CQUA= M > > wideband receiver and transmitter! That's the first he has to answer! T= hen > > let's talk about all the others... > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > i'm just in disscutations with James Cridland about am stereo and mor= e > > audio bandwitdth up to 15 kHz. > > > he says that dab is better than am stereo in 15 kHz. I he rigth?? > > > > > > Bests from > > > Roy Sandgren > > > HASDA-EUROPE > > > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper > > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Skickat: torsdag, 2 februari 2012 19:21 > > > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth > > > > > > > > > > > > =C2 > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Boogie350 wrote: > > > > > > > Sucking up noise isn't a "bandwidth" issue, it's a "compression > > threshold" issue. What kind of processing is it using? > > > > > > WCKI is using a properly set up CRL AM-4 Processing Chain. > > > > > > > Is there no INPUT LEVEL trimpot? If the input is that hot, throw an= "H > > Pad" in there... only 5 resistors and it preserves the polarity and > > impedance. The lower the shunt value, the more attenuation. > > > > > > The problem is, the Network feed has 5 KHz Audio, but has a Ton of No= ise > > up to about 8 KHz. and at least some of the noise is in front of the > > Network's Compressor that is also sucking it up. This is a 1990 Vintage > > audio chain that I can't cut the bandwidth down more than NRSC. The > > difference between local production and network programming is very > > dramatic as far as Signal to Noise ratio and Audio Fidelity. > > > > > > 73, > > > Kevin Raper > > > KJ4HYD > > > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematic= al > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kah= n > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Fri Feb 03 21:42:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12609 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2012 05:42:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2012 05:42:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com) (209.85.215.50) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2012 05:42:44 -0000 X-Received: by lahm13 with SMTP id m13so2971228lah.37 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:42:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.44.101 with SMTP id d5mr2570958lbm.40.1328334162683; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:42:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.101.200 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:42:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 13:42:42 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=vhGnSXVxppdpyrP1C9_CCmh5MPrrhWhQ7zsHYK-1AQ__2Aua X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jota, I love your enthusiasm. I agree there is nothing better than AM for medium wave :-) I totally understand what you are saying but I just want to clarify a couple of points. > Now, my friend, it is a fact that any digital data compressed audio CAN > NOT to represent the full original analog audio, because the "lossy" > algorythm aren't enough to avoid the loss. > This is correct. But band limited AM also cannot perfectly mirror the original analog audio (not to mention the noise). It would get closer if audio out to 15kHz was allowed and we had a noiseless environment. In other words, if we compared the original sound waveform with the waveform at the receiver, they would be different. > > SO... the only way to get a full original analog audio FROM a digital > recording is... using (at least) 48,000 samples per second, 32 bits per > sample, 2 audio channels (stereo). > True. But if we are making a fair comparison with band limited AM, the equivalent is probably 22,000 samples per second, 12 bits, 2 channels. > > Now, my friend, Can you explain me HOW YOU CAN PUT MORE THAN 96 KHZ OF > UNCOMPRESSED DIGITAL DATA INTO A 10 KHZ MAXIMUM BANDWIDTH (the typical AM > channel bandwidth)? ??? > I agree. Don't get me wrong. I love AM and analogue and vinyl. We just have to remember that they are "analogues" or "similar representations" of the natural waveform but they are still not exactly the same as the original continuous signal/sound. This is due to things we do to the sound, and by-products of the medium itself. Hope this helps, Dan > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli > wrote: > > > > Digital done properly is a perfect representation of analogue (accordin= g > to > > Nyquist theory and eccentric maths professor),and the original analogue > can > > be recovered so analogue vs digital is neither here nor there :-). The > > question is which of the two methods DAB or AM is the closer > representation > > of the original signal. > > > > AM can also be a perfect representation of the original signal. The > > difference lies in what happens to the signal before it reaches the > > transmitter, and what happens to the signal between the transmitter and > the > > receiver, and what happens in the receiver (we know that most AM > receivers > > leave something to be desired so we can exclude this difference). > > > > Before the transmitter, both DAB and AM make changes to the signal. Thi= s > > can include compression and low pass filtering. In the case of DAB, a > pure > > uncompressed PCM signal would occupy a huge radio bandwidth (more than > > 1Mhz). Therefore lossy compression is used. The lower the number of bit= s > > (digital symbols that represent the sound) that can be used to represen= t > > the original signal, the less accurate the representation of the origin= al > > signal becomes. > > > > With low bitrate DAB+, a trick is used to more accurately encode the > lower > > frequencies. A band limited representation of the signal is allocated > most > > of the bits/bandwidth while allowing the receiver to guess the high > > frequency content based on the frequency content of the lower (sub 10kH= z) > > frequencies. This is called Spectral Band Replication or SBR. A small > > number of bits is used to guide the high frequency content. (I guess an > AM > > receiver could 'guess' the high frequency content as well??) Many peopl= e > > have found the stations employing this technique to sound artificial in > the > > high frequency range. > > > > Between the tx and the receiver, digital has the potential to keep the > > signal, in this case a series of numbers representing the AAC sound > stream, > > in a way that the receiver can reproduce the transmitted message > verbatim. > > For AM, noise is directly added onto the transmitted signal. > > > > I guess which is best depends on which of these 'artefacts' are least > > offensive to you. > > > > Hope this makes sense, It's pretty late here. > > > > Dan > > > > On 3 February 2012 21:34, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > Dab+ 15kHz, FM 15 kHz, AM 15 kHz all stereo, conclusion; your voice i= s > > > analouge, your ears are analouge. What will be the conclousion??? > > > > > > > > > Bests from > > > Roy Sandgren > > > HASDA-EUROPE > > > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Fr=E5n: pdmtr > > > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Skickat: fredag, 3 februari 2012 13:42 > > > =C4mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well... > > > OK! Someone is trying to compare a gas engine and a diesel engine... > about > > > their horsepower!!! Well... both can achieve the same horsepower, > depending > > > of the size and other technical matters! > > > Not sure if someone can compare to completely different things like A= M > > > CQUAM & DAB ! Compare them for what exactly? To conclude about wich o= f > the > > > 2 is best to use for the same application inside the same band? Is DA= B > > > available for Medium Wave broadcasting! Does it work INSIDE the AM > Band, > > > meaning working in the 530 to 1710KHz ? Well, first you've got to set > the > > > demands for what you're going to compare! Is AM CQUAM Analog stereo > system > > > the best way to transmit at 170 - 230MHz ? !!! Let's start from a poi= nt > > > that will be related to what is what, and what is something for! > > > However... I;m not sure if a guy who claims that DAB is better than a= n > > > analog system like the CQUAM in the 15KHz audio edge... have ever > listened > > > to CQUAM with AMAX bandwidth specifications!!! And of course then we > will > > > have to discuss about the different oppinions that coming from all > around > > > the world, regarding what is the most natural and good sounding > > > reproduction way/media, the analog or the digital with its > psycoacoustic > > > algorithms and compression!!! Depends on what we think as the most > natural > > > sound! Of course the analog way ie. CQUAM AM and ZENITH FM, has some > > > drawback as it needs the pre-de - emphasis to sound good! The digital > > > systems... say they don't have that! Correct! They do have instead th= e > > > psychoacoustic algorithms for compression of data, during encoding & > > > decoding! So... at least from that is clear that there is a real loss > of > > > natural sound information!!! Might not be easy to hear it or > understand it, > > > although many people can, but it > > > is a reality that can't be avoided for a digital system to work! > > > DAB isn't something that will work in an MW (medium wave0 or lower HF > > > (also called as short wave) bands! Sorry! Even DRM isn't a complete > > > realiable solution, for AM Band, yet! How someone is trying to compar= e > it, > > > the DAB, with an AM CQUAM Analog system THAT HAS PROVED already & for > many > > > years that works in Medium Wave band, and IMHO it works excellent!!! > > > For getting a 15KHz audio from it... leave the bandwidth mask of the = AM > > > trasnmitters & receivers, to a level that can pass it... and then > compare > > > the 2 systems IN THE SAME TRANSMISSION WORKING FREQUENCY!!! > > > If we want to make such a comparison, regardless band of transmission= , > > > fair, then lets add another system, a 3rd one, and compare all of the= m > to > > > see what is the "best" for whoever do the test!!! Add the DVB-S the > > > satelite broadcasting system for video!!! It can deliver excellent > sound... > > > better than DAB... and you can benefit that it also delivers... movin= g > > > images and even in 3D lately! > > > > > > Ask Mr... I forgot his name... if he had really heard/worked an AM > CQUAM > > > wideband receiver and transmitter! That's the first he has to answer! > Then > > > let's talk about all the others... > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > i'm just in disscutations with James Cridland about am stereo and > more > > > audio bandwitdth up to 15 kHz. > > > > he says that dab is better than am stereo in 15 kHz. I he rigth?? > > > > > > > > Bests from > > > > Roy Sandgren > > > > HASDA-EUROPE > > > > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper > > > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > > Skickat: torsdag, 2 februari 2012 19:21 > > > > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =C2 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Boogie350 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sucking up noise isn't a "bandwidth" issue, it's a "compression > > > threshold" issue. What kind of processing is it using? > > > > > > > > WCKI is using a properly set up CRL AM-4 Processing Chain. > > > > > > > > > Is there no INPUT LEVEL trimpot? If the input is that hot, throw > an "H > > > Pad" in there... only 5 resistors and it preserves the polarity and > > > impedance. The lower the shunt value, the more attenuation. > > > > > > > > The problem is, the Network feed has 5 KHz Audio, but has a Ton of > Noise > > > up to about 8 KHz. and at least some of the noise is in front of the > > > Network's Compressor that is also sucking it up. This is a 1990 Vinta= ge > > > audio chain that I can't cut the bandwidth down more than NRSC. The > > > difference between local production and network programming is very > > > dramatic as far as Signal to Noise ratio and Audio Fidelity. > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > Kevin Raper > > > > KJ4HYD > > > > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > > > > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical > > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard > Kahn > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Sat Feb 04 05:37:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95987 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2012 13:37:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2012 13:37:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.249) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2012 13:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2012 13:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.182.87] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2012 13:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2012 13:37:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 456887.7354.bm@omp1037.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 16409 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2012 13:37:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yXwDRVkVM1nfekOFFj8humq67sSU6SdfKNCJnqVzRMiZdu6 5kqe3SElvisR2O3fOfwFqp5XO_cFtnOZOxBZfeQWsJV3g6flkCx1ncC1s19w ydmAeEhmPPLFzvBwjUZIipVd1Ms3sbgPVYuqdO.L6Ei1.o7EeegByiyJi4y8 zjpGwsOhDS1RRc8M8BCMYTzH0h.8_EjKt3PM.qhw0WKQgqORozzByMkuH4eR hK.wM29I6UZXGn.lomOOq8ZoaSPP1pz8ayqdWc6OUUQbyQiVh1PIwBeamVVX oYWTZYekZg3rWF1gAseBHd1NvdWpu.6qzm_legze550hrFEwsCTTSLOOiT1a Md_MEIBMIVBjdr_Zn4Zah1JmrrbGKCJz2xo2V8crqMY8Gnz_vak7WeSA2YqR srzapaeVKMr0jN6kiqFmH4DHG.ON8PVXBye7R4ANBK6UyR07Kv18LYZkFmbC qM_GB_6B9DQz4TkUJUrmzazAJ_4iSCfb9.ffY75rrnJhL3tmTM5KwrvyoNEy 27MrHJxuHgOebHSMLzVYqnbnjF0rH66QafbmTJndmE2ijdtmofin9zyd73YA TPgutE5lgwhmG795WG1L0Ft73UNNfLVGCRkQFXLa2buwi.lup63WDIyo4lP8 QUkibm_B2qfbx_P0fKayPCzpFifCIqtp3P9_BgrrFtOyHdOscXQ45FyWZ3ei oJcCdcuJq1udGRtLVmUhoWDBtQkERv0MmUb9ONFfZeUb7wu8.wzpYisSG.xi HVU.Ou2xOdvVVun_RbY4l6Ff36dc5YVrrdIJE5jBPCy5jcfhJ5iM1OU2TU_E t7_5BzlOQW31X8PBBdzg3wXNZES_attR50c9u0QQj7Sp2cHtbE0JA.SlxCsJ .dpTnPqFu3of23L0SsDJv2.gRQeHNYFHYHgZfKIbj8t0SEnU.LG3xsTqIII4 qR663f7U4hidlLdyJrieqOMozm0Hk7gZocwZotZHmpTwYlpdtB5CxK2T4V2C Ia8IrluSJUzbSAIKcB_cJ4i22SxqniNP0o8SJNxRJsccDGXbbQDUqRgO1Dng b4v8wtEj6nQs4iudAOK.kj1rQuyI7cdi9KeMr.oJsuqlrky.Q0EuLSsVIjeM yST0iJSr.zYNb7MokgUVG3Z7bmQtGoapLMwo9dRkpFL25moPGQxv7bSMe0kP 0fy7Wn_1J9sHLHIy8gw92mBKbR10vdQIwYhy_HpxgDyZhdcp8jSjGSrfFPG2 UbJPEP9Q.PNHk7egoLDcQTATPNrJ_BYpOy97192fuTl.oJvPnrq_pwAkgJyT p_.XY_LPcYBg5tIzU2beroRQabpq3r2K2GDFhGbXyhEDwLDDP7Z1YGYja6Cw c9G.A0Qmt52.CO8eMpip0Avyxl5DoppGwi.ClySxaNDdzoSnO8pHOcWLR4R4 Y3G7JZA8irAHB46KuJoNzdyT0_1eC.xnL8nopw6Mwnii0Jyk4YmptKD2ZMj1 4fJIW0PkZpOHE4borrcgNWJOisQ9gXda8wEqkbtn3CqDDe7Yk2wm_24zvBe2 ZwEtGC1q.5CbsA8_clW3uqEBttU.W39Tvk5xShZQQwa6hUEEyr5uAehgQKX7 0MUqva6wUZwR5ID8BcGXmxN2dSVUs.8IqvmBXM04VV9UXytAGbVqWvNlLT9w o_aLCRXD4zmmaU9_uv_1HvUamLVr8fqLbaKmg69gjjMeDfD9FcfYUN_Z6EnJ ofIKpzUbvTnVYF50VI5t0z3mecefwLjbOSGSoZumUC3LNbNI2.HBKW8l_kw- - X-Received: from [46.195.53.51] by web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:37:39 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <1328253007.73577.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1328362659.1757.YahooMailNeo@web28211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 13:37:39 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.182.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=pyNyacgz3OGoOU78pyG9UjYBmcPtiI9I3jd-h1QrIkfErSY X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I prefer an LP of great music played from a ELP laser turntable, less noice= , more natural dynamic to my analouge ears. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 3 februari 2012 15:15 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: AM Bandwidth =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Roy, Pose this qustion: would you rather hear a full-frequency 180gram vinyl LP,= or listen to the same recording as an MP3 file? Then you have your answer. If you don't mind the tricks of audio compression schemes of removing 'unne= eded audio', and somtimes fake/metallic sound then DAB / MP3 files are for = you; but if you're like me and love the sound a fresh LP, or a 96KHz WAV fi= le, then you'll prefer a 15KHz AM stereo transmission. I believe DAB/DAB+ has to play the same games as satellite radio, where the= more you add, the lower the bitrate and the worse/fake-sounding the record= ing gets.=20 That's my 2 cents. 73 John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: ...Hi,=20 i'm just in disscutations with James Cridland about am stereo and more audi= o bandwitdth up to 15 kHz. he says that dab is better than am stereo in 15 kHz. I he rigth?? > > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Sat Feb 04 08:25:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17265 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2012 16:25:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2012 16:25:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.161) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2012 16:25:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2012 16:25:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2012 16:25:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2012 16:25:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:25:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 84.123.6.122 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: AM RDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=RSciZMlhqtwJTvzGdnAMrrJT81ZxQpielpjRmkz46QpQe_ZrDJxhpA X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa Don't know if is C-QUAM compatible...at least is a "kind" of AM RDS, althou= gh is analog audio I guess you need a DRM receiver to decode it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation_signalling_system --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! > BTW, Is there some kind of "simple" RDS system (I mean, station ID, song = title, actual temperature, etc.) compatible with C-QUAM today?=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 06 17:46:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32633 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2012 01:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2012 01:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.78) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 01:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2012 01:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2012 01:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2012 01:46:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:46:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.44.202.84 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: AM RDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=NyWDftJ8H7swWScNTNvp5yqryzF90eXfEK3cjtfF45BxsXPVj3RIbp-OFcNKaI7aS0uMQit2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang That wouild bring C-QuAM AM STEREO RDS up to a more currant day tec= noligy. Some one said a one time that C-QuAM was simuler to FM STEREO.Jim = Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "orxata_d_xufa" w= rote: > > Don't know if is C-QUAM compatible...at least is a "kind" of AM RDS, alth= ough is analog audio I guess you need a DRM receiver to decode it: >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation_signalling_system >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > > BTW, Is there some kind of "simple" RDS system (I mean, station ID, son= g title, actual temperature, etc.) compatible with C-QUAM today? > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 07 05:39:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33004 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2012 13:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2012 13:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.122) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 13:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2012 13:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2012 13:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2012 13:39:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:39:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM RDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=to3Qi2NfY420_s-xcuwE4InaoIFamlAg80dAiks-3M-omHxWlCGSlFE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If this "AM RDS" is what I read about in Radio World, it was total stupidit= y. It was NOT compatible with HD radio - that would have made sense - you c= ould still listen in analog, but it would only use a tiny small amount of d= igital hash to broadcast the AM data; I actually thought that would have be= en use full - use ONLY the the Station ID portion of IBOC and transmit ONLY= that tiny fraction of spectrum to list the call letters, then let CQuam be= the stereo carrier. Once again, I was thinking logically, so that must not be the case. 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From toddroberts2001@aol.com Thu Feb 09 12:17:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63209 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2012 20:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2012 20:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2012 20:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q19KHgX5022948 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:17:42 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgd004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.9]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AE83AE000095 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:17:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1d7df.18c8dfc7.3c6583e6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:17:42 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:447075328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94f3429e668d7 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Bench Testing the Meduci AM Stereo Decoder Board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=dXZNfW2CrS4KvBTkaMJGfG_Y3zDlG-HiWyazYCd50bQs3oZkKLCZ X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Back in December I picked up one of Meduci's AM Stereo Decoder boards off of Ebay. I have 2 receivers I would like to try it with - an R-390A tube receiver and a Racal RA6790/GM solid state receiver. Both are general-coverage receivers with a wide selection of I.F. filters and a 455KHz I.F. output jack. The widest filter available on the R-390A is 16KHz and for the Racal it is 19KHz. Both should give wide response on a strong AM Stereo signal. Meduci lists the input range of their Stereo Decoder board as both 450KHz and 455KHz with an optimum RF input level of 120millivolts p-p and an input impedance of around 10K ohms. Both the R-390A and the Racal have an I.F. output impedance of 50 ohms at several hundred mv p-p, so I will have to rig up an attenuator. Meduci used a 3rd generation Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo decoder IC MC13028AD. The datasheet shows the chip uses an internal VCO that locks on to 8 times the input frequency. The input of the chip is made to run at 450KHz but Meduci added a wide range trimmer cap in the VCO circuit so it could be adjusted for either a 450KHz or 455KHz input For an input of 450KHz the VCO should run at 3.600MHz and for a 455KHz input it should run at 3.640MHz.. Testing the board on my workbench I found the MC13028AD VCO will lock on to an input range from 447-456KHz with just one setting of the small trimmer cap so it is suitable to work with radios that have both a 450KHz and a 455KHz I.F. output frequency. It looks like it is optimum for a radio with a 450KHz I.F. The board has stereo output connections for L and R channels and a provision to connect a small LED for a stereo indicator light. One will need to drill one or two small holes in the board to be able to mount it on a standoff spacer or two. A drill press is recommended to do this. All connections need to be made to the board with small wires soldered to the board. Hookup looks fairly simple. Next step is to hook it up to one of the receivers 455KHz I.F. outputs and try it out on KCJJ 1630 on a good night! 73 - Todd WD4NGG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From boogie350@yahoo.com Fri Feb 10 16:25:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77431 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2012 00:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2012 00:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.53.222) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2012 00:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm24.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2012 00:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.169] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2012 00:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2012 00:25:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 72367.39937.bm@omp1052.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 78303 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2012 00:25:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Aea4oWIVM1n44cR0WWd7ds_mDLysmVA3ORx5uOlECFxIjV_ g4fZuusBjOUjuUhjXxn8vCMTB2lwNWbXFiCkeaD.1RMeXvGlxnS_bq8DovLz CdN9yquQR7YmtGHJ0Pk0v11rzFTfNmoUFCNc5JNiW_AK6o1DwMITxyHNDyf9 GYesApwEyuBuXa3uM1XctGp5ydFSBCktP7k24vc4OrJHKYuaNA342frqGGN3 73_tvWUGNAKkJOBQHKlHdYSKCG_6fZwiUUovS5fyBq_J4Wh9Pfcf2pRcMk79 UhSNzwrRymOKEGHioEby.Htx68tMQsMXAF0HyrzX6iHCNmDczm0.oXELKato YpY.i2rL_bEJrIoEcbjXz84YpTLs1dLxzb2DR2ScB83oqUXnoJp_qzOc2RF7 DX78bZb3ArvLHugM9u_xMhmlymjncKs_9pOCAlKf3o2td_7ETljyvRoRasQA xI3H8XySmI4RjNQ-- X-Received: from [24.11.71.48] by web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:25:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1328919927.63290.YahooMailNeo@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:25:27 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.53.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Reply-To: Boogie350 Subject: Re: AM Radio "RDS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=fo9SzdJSEpTBeQff8F06BjDWfeYw4kYz9QX32qk6TFy4VLfw X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The BOTTOM LINE: Why digital has no place on AM band. 1. The digital mask causes far too much interference... you're not going to= change that. 2. The digital signal is extremely fragile and static kills the sync... you= 're not going to change that. 3. The lossy compression sounds like crap... you're not going to improve th= at much. 4. The majority of AM owners are NOT going to pay the licensing fee to Iniq= uity... you're not going to change that. 5. How many people have an HD radio for AM band, and actually know/care abo= ut it? That's not changing either. No matter how you slice it, digital on AM is POO. Shut that crap off, alrea= dy.=A0 I'll take a nice analog signal (mono or stereo) over the best digital offer= ing on AM any day.=20 PS... I just scored a nice Realistic TM-152 C-QUAM tuner off eBay for $29.0= 0 plus shipping, and a like-new Realistic DX-120 Communications Receiver fo= r $50.95, both with the original box, manual and receipt.!! Suck on THAT, I= niquity! =A0 Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter h= ogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good= thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let = me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From boogie350@yahoo.com Fri Feb 10 16:47:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9872 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2012 00:47:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2012 00:47:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.52.242) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2012 00:47:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm26.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2012 00:47:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.146] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2012 00:47:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2012 00:47:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 223124.13072.bm@omp1029.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 98830 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2012 00:47:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: twslMPUVM1m84Zsrl.YHUnECD9HRRCfn8fEzweeRNnLMeFq 1BoCaZL_gFgZLqlT_AJgi3JjW2x5oLlbrmirawwILAH1W9iGjrUYLVlEmfco uVRVEOtGG0AEFGWHce37dTVT8c.BntLUCiTdiwEdv4gVJNbOih75jdM6uU6f 1ij7XHawjXkPhGWMmHzfPWvbY8mJlCG2arCeSMq.RAJsuBXLYoggoDZQ_yGd s5lstJg0mttI6Bp7aec8HUNyOSY3p69wutW.tP6WxRee29b14KI7wyQEssgX OY4INMQQ_jsym.ui1nViuVfahrgz_a4UmnMKKgjaEQ703cp0ZoctEEaNCBts FH5h2w1usBTQ6Mguzb5pejAOg2phKIqyX1dvBf3mJ8dnc_P6aMC6h7EsEvKW am7BBRJJOFyp8yFwyNCjYLAnNDjB9eHY6G.QRKRn1X8qKVUnnRVVptsPO6p. fnQKmTAApT7tXqg-- X-Received: from [24.11.71.48] by web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:47:31 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1328921251.98658.YahooMailNeo@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:47:31 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.52.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Reply-To: Boogie350 Subject: Re: AM RDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=pzF3nZG5zZf-epWGn25_3jPcF1W3P1Lci1cyHv7G-FaRmNdf X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Hi Gang That wouild bring C-QuAM AM STEREO RDS up to a more currant day=20 tecnoligy. 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I don't like AM iCRAP.I have a AM FM HD Radio and i like the HD FM and C-QuAM AM STEREO. I miss AM STEREO greatly. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Boogie350 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:47 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM RDS >Hi Gang That wouild bring C-QuAM AM STEREO RDS up to a more currant day tecnoligy. Some one said a one time that C-QuAM was simuler to FM X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61047 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2012 20:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2012 20:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.8) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2012 20:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2012 20:42:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2012 20:42:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2012 20:42:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:42:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.139.165.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.11.71.48 From: "Radio Boogieman" Subject: Add another C-QuAM station!!!!! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=5KNW5xpGg4FgzPEDGUrQHZ5tFIYf2zKznNTh60X823YNQaOiZX7zgECm2KHMkoj-QXy_0SUD X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Thats very cool!!! Its a oldies station to witch is great.Congrades!!! Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Radio Boogieman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: {AMSF} Add another C-QuAM station!!!!! 1080 WOAP Owosso, MI is now broadcasting in stereo!!! He he heeee heeeeee! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 13 02:29:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35596 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2012 10:29:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2012 10:29:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.118) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2012 10:29:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2012 10:29:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.84] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2012 10:29:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2012 10:29:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 239425.52941.bm@omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 27477 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2012 10:29:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: QzMDN5UVM1lxz1BgBSTa38fQNmhTn_e01PGc2up6KjDs.Pd fEWFtb9NKsmv44OJbDZu8SFrQ4foblqc45YFUOsiRnh4qMwzlFmY.vURdxg6 fF7sDQSTGPhdujoSDzwmLlZBZKrKVKaKRAaw_YAcliMMBKp0Wz7rD_UeHIN0 ckLPFdP94NjhdUKYXG7IKKjgzfYa4jSLy9dvgIwWxHFm4O0QsW4CWFIxZp3x 6t5SOH27AG1ak0JACHcnRNczJvZ2xNdNfgBPkUP9FEUxZ9oLTK4NW3g9zHrB SYfwj02_NsFXDuG_JMwKxs55jHFEs7Ug3jyaw1dvvWyM5ZkycJ9sq5hEtRXy BCrn5G1_pyWPyhODVkW2rMCsCFPQkw45tY5ajWi9QYqtuIEHU1pqeN8Ao7QC jtmRz4yBVf3rgnTe29MDw X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.26.55.127 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2012 02:29:02 -0800 PST Message-ID: <4BF63FCBF5024D74B20047FC745F0164@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:29:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: 2 AM HD suprises X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=KRzti6hOZpPhhkVC3-LhKU0JOIbEOAm0huCACq-GVIIFEjtMA6jZ2sojKbkiWekkhIJI7Bal X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was getting two AM HD suprises. The two stations was two that i never get in AM HD. One was KIID AM HD 1470 5kw Sacramento Ca about between 3:30PM to 5:30 PM pst 2-12-2012 just before it started to rain. And the other was KNX AM HD 1070 50 kw Los Angeles Ca between 1:30 AM to about 2:10 AM 2-13-2012. I live just north east of Sacramento Ca . I thought that AM HD could not sky wave at all. I think if i had a bigger loop ant. i could get it better and longer. Still dose'nt do sky wave as good as good old AM STEREO. Jim Smith Loomis Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Feb 13 07:47:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18880 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2012 15:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2012 15:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2012 15:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1DFlXhr021174 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:47:33 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.5]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B0083E000093 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:47:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1825c.4670e6e3.3c6a8a95@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:47:33 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:413199904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a4f39309505c3 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: First Off-Air Test Of Meduci AM Stereo Decoder Board Good X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=PzyNi1l2TcrLG6BvxbftJ24oNVkjEU8bg-45-fO5K7Gd23y9hLsH X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I was recently able to test my Meduci AM Stereo decoder board connecting it to the 450 I.F. of a Delco AM-mono tuner and the results were very good. It took a little while to sort out all the connections to the small board but I now have it working with a Stereo LED pilot light, a forced-mono switch and line-level outputs to my PC sound card. The board requires a standard 12-13.8vdc power input and a 450KHz IF signal input level of around 120mv p-p for full-quieting reception. You will need some test equipment like an oscilloscope to insure proper operation if you install the board yourself to make sure it has the proper IF input signal level. You can be assured it will work well if you add it to a mono-AM Delco car radio of 1990's vintage. Using my local AM 1130 mono station for a signal source the audio quality is excellent. I installed a 12KHz BW I.F. filter in the Delco radio for wide response and good fidelity Stereo reception of KCJJ 1630 at night was a bit spotty due to poor signal levels and fading Sunday night, but at times the Stereo separation sounded very good. The Meduci AM Stereo decoder board is a real winner and allows adding AM Stereo reception to many good mono-AM receivers and will work with either a 450 or 455KHz IF. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 07:49:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23345 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2012 15:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2012 15:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.213.149) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2012 15:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2012 15:49:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.241] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2012 15:49:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2012 15:49:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 610550.2414.bm@omp1050.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 22929 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2012 15:49:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8Jc1M98VM1lfZ2Dt0VTpdlPm_EMf1nb.wR7ar8vhJFC4QKN fNj9Et7tdrkppqyqfc1ggjAobeX69SGmWQ4Bbh9L2ptmuhgbIQST6WiCd6Jb oFZg5pHOcbJhwHT5RX1kb1KBoxry5V5h.tQVn3smgTaKTFJoprUezlGY8dfB Sxe5yhz1wZLsFbO9eDmP6a3VYAz5UBHGqGtY.gukA2JcOdeox0bQ7jRLIrvU vRER6yzT4HPag078V3XX7__XOcKn7IB75AfvYEZXWeahT20g0JQxGr39RUqV o94__9aN_CYvwHFUp1RcpT1f.fEoWdd6nSp8hrqdwO4GFi.N8vJmJLqccsu0 JvrLbwcxsx9Vzi6Jj8sBHCUai9E4mRbIywUe2gDyyG4l9aEdW3nMRlRh73TE p4yAwRqmHpW6Jfv6GcRXpopLcxX.WC49wngXH1SfQ4aF5zJZewKNUaYlb_JT zQuo1buO1NuCpMnT6FxA9X5hAVOgLno4- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:49:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1329148161.12011.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:49:21 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.213.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: WOAP in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0z4XoKAtVellGQ1C9DezQxxxxAGVJ4ttROUnmcPuYMdg-0klT7YkYrk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to repeat this if somebody already noticed, but Saginaw Michigan has = a NEW CQUAM AM STEREO Station!,=A0 Yee-haaa "The Big 1080". Congrats - I hope that other Michigan stations with stereo-ready stations p= ull the trigger and fire-up some nice stereo audio! 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I think its great and more the better. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:49 AM Subject: {AMSF} WOAP in AM Stereo Sorry to repeat this if somebody already noticed, but Saginaw Michigan has a NEW CQUAM AM STEREO Station!, Yee-haaa "The Big 1080". Congrats - I hope that other Michigan stations with stereo-ready stations pull the trigger and fire-up some nice stereo audio! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 13 22:12:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83768 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2012 06:12:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2012 06:12:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.217) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2012 06:12:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2012 06:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2012 06:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2012 06:11:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 911443.5009.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: c4J7t30VM1kvF9lzzTU7uHsPlDqj4M56IZd_zLg_J8EaYTV 9HlK0VooRBhuvhW1dhR3vSPW15L53Q1iInnXDzS3vkbYMHPoHQJLG5bsfTF_ EMtwVRQNNCUAxhUpbiuY.shsuaeUoAtfWoAmRuN9UbHR9JH.bO7.CCgO4iES vlmINEkFLnvbdx4X.TdbgKVYcZ4_uYJj.1RThtn.urSVDziCfYrtLBu0uQsH 0K7T5EgVHu7XJuB1takG57m93kA5sJ4gf0.8ft8UmCX.CPH_fIUmyoB.kDtM .7z7fFyNAXB5pW3zR5C95xVF53C2eAh1U0ks72JNqA9fXUE7kEXeZcatyhhn cXWIs1KCyyNEVsY5Aj9P5sJvHK5_bjvRopBjMgEbY_DRm5xQIjOWZaxfLYZu Mdi1leAHiR9S57eNjJU1Tv9.7oT5dMt8yHDeDPk9bymWpJlWKUaeaO8_aorc MUg4UyyDBvdAI.cEQcnLHfHiN X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.18.49.177 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2012 22:11:58 -0800 PST Message-ID: <2AE42A50DA10496CB91044A02AD1DF81@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:11:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: KEX AM 1190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=aah6nMJueHn62xFOa9ikNb_QlvE0cv7BDLCjIDVhsLPCvk6WYi-eOw_aFgAvXmN36Gtz3bXy X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was wondering if some one can comferm that KEX AM 1190 Potland Or is in AM STEREO or not. There HD AM is off as of tonight 10:00 PM PST 2-13-2012. Jim Smith Loomis Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 13 22:27:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9907 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2012 06:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2012 06:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.44) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2012 06:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2012 06:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2012 06:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2012 06:27:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:27:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2AE42A50DA10496CB91044A02AD1DF81@jim3slp85ju21o> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.219.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.49.177 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KEX AM 1190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=f40y6CnQoJ-J3nYs0ddclOuzeTlU60Q94HuKAvul4udTCrhv2DHQqR3ofzA26xWgx_Dv_wHO X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I ment Portland Or not Potland. Thats kind of funny. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I was wondering if some one can comferm that KEX AM 1190 Potlan= d Or is in AM STEREO or not. There HD AM is off as of tonight 10:00 PM PST= 2-13-2012. Jim Smith Loomis Ca >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 16 08:27:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35263 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2012 16:27:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2012 16:27:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.239.5) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2012 16:27:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2012 16:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.235] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2012 16:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2012 16:27:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 901727.68794.bm@omp1044.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 77317 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2012 16:27:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jJZnEtcVM1n.zjDgwsum0ZPedLf85tBicH.cDPvHNtkY_pz RYyrQsrktl6cOdaDBV_djdC9RDTL6fwmTre.P6tWGJQrf8XQzjTHld00gNvE pEDRXyhXQZ.mquZ2nBsBYqlBOQseCtj_XWJ1tvRceqse5xifpoYl5_5UFbRL Q9VZ_NzRLAbHnDHB69RXksA6XuCcnRpvPGeDmMhFPImsWh8_OIzx82Hwv_TO Q7_AQO5VeeeRRynzfkLMvY7lnbirO0DtynI6rryhvrIo_U.q1kocbf5a4VWJ ZyEp4dsm02QsVA3EqooTxx.BkL4uM9kJrECGv5zg09APyL6TySoi..vjJZbe FqLmnB0agI.AHoFCfagfpIT_U1W8jeqcvQ2EUFZnAwVho3AZeIb8XO5ML6L3 A3gjVlCRHpPosH4IHT1R0JNSQLqAepVxMWdKZ_EUPl5KoIv3W9dmjW8ht4sd k0QhnFcdwvG5ra7FeEgM4T_WIDUiCIw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:27:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1329409654.77255.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:27:34 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 72.30.239.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: AM Stereo Car Radios For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=pEddVRbEY8TFvpjozUHprh_GMSrnEOnsrABgQpoFqhQLLzaAxya4TNE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable XYL said, some radios go or I go, will miss the radios I guess. For sale the following CQUAM AM Stereo Car Radios: A: Delco UX-1 Style Cassette Radio B: Chrysler (2000 style with curved corners) Cassette w/3band EQ C: Chrsyler (thru 1999 Style with rectangular corners & 2 tabs) Cassette w/= 5band EQ=20 D: Delco UX-1 from my Beretta (no X-band) and cassette not working properly= . Will ship them flat rate USPS boxes. No connectors.=A0 Work except where noted. Will take PayPal.=A0=20 Make me offers I can't refuse. 73 John =A0 =A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Feb 16 09:10:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52162 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2012 17:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2012 17:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2012 17:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.180]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LZH00K7XX18BMRT@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:10:22 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <29C515F379A8442DAE4F0E68C3AEC0F5@RichardPC> To: References: <1329409654.77255.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1329409654.77255.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:10:20 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Car Radios For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can tell you that years ago I had one of those Chrysler am stereos with t= he 5band EQ, and the sound was incredible. They were great radios. Dick W. From: John=20 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:27 AM To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001=20 Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo Car Radios For Sale =20=20 XYL said, some radios go or I go, will miss the radios I guess. For sale the following CQUAM AM Stereo Car Radios: A: Delco UX-1 Style Cassette Radio B: Chrysler (2000 style with curved corners) Cassette w/3band EQ C: Chrsyler (thru 1999 Style with rectangular corners & 2 tabs) Cassette w/= 5band EQ=20 D: Delco UX-1 from my Beretta (no X-band) and cassette not working properly= . Will ship them flat rate USPS boxes. No connectors. Work except where noted. Will take PayPal.=20=20 Make me offers I can't refuse. 73 John =20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 16 15:06:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6671 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2012 23:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2012 23:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-02.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2012 23:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120216170624000955500011> for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:06:24 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F3D8BE3.7080102@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:06:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:06:24 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.26) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/3.1.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1329409654.77255.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1329409654.77255.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120216-1, 02/16/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Car Radios For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=EUtvPaC-EzPjrPfeJP5EUEqJaq6yuu4dDkjAL15WJkR9Keemc4x1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 2/16/2012 10:27 AM, John wrote: > XYL said, some radios go or I go, will miss the radios I guess. > For sale the following CQUAM AM Stereo Car Radios: > A: Delco UX-1 Style Cassette Radio > B: Chrysler (2000 style with curved corners) Cassette w/3band EQ > C: Chrsyler (thru 1999 Style with rectangular corners & 2 tabs) Cassette > w/5band EQ > D: Delco UX-1 from my Beretta (no X-band) and cassette not working properly. > Will ship them flat rate USPS boxes. > No connectors. Work except where noted. Will take PayPal. > Make me offers I can't refuse. > 73 > John Does item C work? The two I've got don't. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 16 20:47:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81512 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2012 04:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2012 04:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.31) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2012 04:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 04:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 04:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 04:47:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:47:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1329409654.77255.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.58.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.174 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Car Radios For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1XK9cRX6BLKdVrF5Pn32dlz-5k9h_QVR_CI2xOrf3Lbnp73toQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! What about the prices? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: > > XYL said, some radios go or I go, will miss the radios I guess. > For sale the following CQUAM AM Stereo Car Radios: > A: Delco UX-1 Style Cassette Radio > B: Chrysler (2000 style with curved corners) Cassette w/3band EQ > C: Chrsyler (thru 1999 Style with rectangular corners & 2 tabs) Cassette = w/5band EQ=20 > D: Delco UX-1 from my Beretta (no X-band) and cassette not working proper= ly. > Will ship them flat rate USPS boxes. > No connectors.=A0 Work except where noted. Will take PayPal.=A0=20 > Make me offers I can't refuse. > 73 > John > =A0 > =A0 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 16 21:07:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78506 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2012 05:06:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2012 05:06:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.141) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2012 05:06:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 05:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 05:06:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 05:06:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:06:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.58.174 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.174 From: "Jota" Subject: C-QUAM AM Stereo advantages (or Why Mono Vinyl Records are better than Stereo) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=g5H0srvwjyzEL7o7H8nxcbBxkuMaEHkjJuuZKDKtOV48-un4zw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I know it is just a new "discovering the wheel" issue but... Knowing the fact that I'm an old ham radio man and, of course, I love the S= SB technique so I would love to use ISB AM Stereo, I have to recognize that= C-QUAM has a very great advantage over ISB: better signal to noise ratio. Why? Simple: C-QUAM use Mono "In-Phase" AM sideband components, in other wo= rds there is a LSB identically to the USB... Always!!! So, the tuner has more information against the base background noise (with = ISB the LSB isn't exactly the same than USB, so there are moments when one = of them have less sound material then we get more noise from that sideband = in that moment). It is the same thing with the old vinyl records: mono audio recordings have= the same information on both "faces" of the groove. So, when one of the gr= oove's sides has too much noise, we just can use the other side, and so on. BTW: With Adobe Audition, we have a very useful tool to these cases: the Ce= ntral Channel Extractor. With this, we can get only the absolutely "mono" c= omponent, so the lateral noise (groove faces) is suppressed. I've get very = "clean" audio from old mono vinyl records with this technique. Of course, i= t is useful ONLY with mono audio (we can not to use it with stereo material= because the stereo information IS on the groove faces). But I think the same technique can be used into the C-QUAM decoding stage t= o reduce the background noise (because the "groove faces", into the radio s= cheme, are the sidebands, and the C-QUAM sidebands don't have stereo inform= ation at all). I guess there should be some C-QUAM AM Stereo tuner with that kind of "skil= ls", or Not? ??? Just another crazy idea from an insane mind. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 05:30:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79919 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2012 13:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2012 13:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2012 13:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 13:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 13:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 13:30:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:30:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F3D8BE3.7080102@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Radios For Sale - update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ToNz7JFNSORdX9aS3XYj3l7RWqdU_yfkmahdjGTyvTcl9_Pxtapa5e8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Scott: They were all working (except as noted), but I'll hook-up "C" and check, be= cause that model has the 'electronic volume control' which is goofy - you c= an turn it down while it's "off" but not up. Let me plug it into a Chrysler harness and make sure. Juan: I'm taking offers, plus postage; so far I've got a just one taker on = the UX1 (A). John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 2/16/2012 10:27 AM, John wrote: > > XYL said, some radios go or I go, will miss the radios I guess. > > For sale the following CQUAM AM Stereo Car Radios: > > A: Delco UX-1 Style Cassette Radio > > B: Chrysler (2000 style with curved corners) Cassette w/3band EQ > > C: Chrsyler (thru 1999 Style with rectangular corners & 2 tabs) Cassett= e > > w/5band EQ > > D: Delco UX-1 from my Beretta (no X-band) and cassette not working prop= erly. > > Will ship them flat rate USPS boxes. > > No connectors. Work except where noted. Will take PayPal. > > Make me offers I can't refuse. > > 73 > > John >=20 > Does item C work? The two I've got don't. > Scott Todd > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Feb 17 12:50:31 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24247 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2012 20:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2012 20:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.144) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2012 20:50:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1329511830; bh=Vz7pdSQz8BI8sKQnGZme186ygL3U93GiGnMA8buqjl4=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ccBWDvlx2gsRTuYL6L5M+wE5yu/Vayl4fplfOqJYt8wyICMeNerN8kcGZ5/gIGiADn0+PbWyZ8m9f+VkbiDWlhDblcgsCgh0bgq/O5NyVodhNStVIgIdo3hJu5LvQmKX Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 20:50:30 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 20:50:30 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2012 20:50:30 -0000 Date: 17 Feb 2012 20:50:29 -0000 Message-ID: <1329511829.11472.3322.w7@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM_stereo_1340_khz_crispy_sound_cquam.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : My furthest and only C-QUAM stereo local ! I want your opinion on this ! At one point, the stereo separation is pretty tight, but it can be an illusion of platform motion. Is platform motion 100% against C-Quam in older receivers (i,e. before the SRF-42) ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM_stereo_1340_khz_crispy_sound_cquam.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 17 13:41:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42652 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2012 21:41:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2012 21:41:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2012 21:41:25 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0LZK00EOJ41WJZC0@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:37:08 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <1401C02E45F148E4B45DFCD7C85D9827@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1329511829.11472.3322.w7@yahoogroups.com> In-reply-to: <1329511829.11472.3322.w7@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:41:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: {AMSF} WIRY and KCJJ - the only AM ST for MTL ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=muBC3Cklc_UyP9qdc6ggNrksV64zzhc5iPzfIx9JCizKVWE_pDsetAY X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a simplier question this time around: is it possible to get clean reception of WBLQ 1230 Rhode Island out of the graveyard mush ? If so, I doubt the average AM ST tuner could handle a Beverage... Any advice on this difficult problem ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Feb 17 13:51:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88136 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2012 21:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2012 21:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2012 21:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1HLpEZX008322 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:51:14 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.13]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 36941E000082 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:51:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3e515.197dac3b.3c7025d1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:51:14 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420152192:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4f3ecbd2077f X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=PdYqgSv0-5fGQw4pIAj9ky_8Oy4P4qS99F7SEOy06rsfFtR17CeS X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From what I can hear the separation sounds pretty good. The horns and violins come from the right side and the vocals come from the center. It sounds like another carrier mixing in on the channel causing some very light platform motion but not bad at all. The interfering carrier sounds like it is about 15-20Hz off frequency. If it was only a couple Hz off-frequency the platform motion would sound worse. How far away is the CQuam station from you? It sounds like it must be at least 50 miles distant or more with some light noise mixing in. Perhaps with a good loop antenna you could null out the interfering carrier for cleaner reception if it is not coming from the same or opposite azimuth. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/17/2012 3:50:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com writes: File : /AM_stereo_1340_khz_crispy_sound_cquam.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : My furthest and only C-QUAM stereo local ! I want your opinion on this ! At one point, the stereo separation is pretty tight, but it can be an illusion of platform motion. Is platform motion 100% against C-Quam in older receivers (i,e. before the SRF-42) ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 17 13:51:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92142 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2012 21:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2012 21:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2012 21:51:32 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0LZK00KM54NCRM70@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:50:01 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <19B9D2A88DA4420B83322231B11C2470@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:51:36 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: the Sony decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=DT35b5ihPiL6Dt68zMoepEAYsUcK3v73tMIN9aQQZQgCONDtha01Bjk X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One last question: how it comes that a single decoder was useful for Harris, Magnavox AND Motorola C-Quam ? What is the similarity in phasing between those three systems ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Montreal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 17 14:37:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58532 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2012 22:37:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2012 22:37:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2012 22:37:11 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0LZK00CRI6RRPHE0@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:35:52 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <497FC1CB8F2E4E7284FFAB13203D0783@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <3e515.197dac3b.3c7025d1@aol.com> In-reply-to: <3e515.197dac3b.3c7025d1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:37:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=RJ2ekCwG1jHpSvr-mpNZLfz2jycoWEEnomTongfB6GUwfgOeswX5DQM X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in Pierrefonds (Montreal) and the station is WIRY in Plattsburg, NY. The interfering station was nulled as much as possible, it is WMSA in Massena, NY. Actually from the SW of MTL, which is actually SE of PIERREFONDS which is NW of MTL (Verdun, Lasalle, Lachine), you can null out WMSA better and get a clearer shot at WIRY. WIRY is a 1 kW C-Quamer on 1340, a graveyard frequency. I could have reduced the background noise, but the sound would be less crisp in Narrow mode. I used a Sony CFS-6000 boombox portable with a passive Select-A-Tenna on top of it tuned to 1340 kHz. I posted this file here to share with you, but also because it reminds me of anothing thing: local non C-QUam broadcaster sound different in ST mode on the Sony CFS-6000, and on on other reeivers I have. What is causing that low frequencies on one side on high frequencies on the high side ? It isn`t like full stereo, but what it has to do with mono AM encoding ... ? The horns and violin right OR left ONLY stereo separation is typical of early stereo recordings where the separation is pretty tight, if not VERY tight, but on newer recordings, i.e. the ones played on KCJJ 1630, it is sometimes more difficult to say. While the signal here in Pierrefonds was steady, I enjoyed HEY BABY by the DESTINY CHILD and it is one track that as mediocre as it is has above-average stereo separation which is obviously not the case, usually, of today`s music since the late 90s or so. However, the unstable and very often weak signal of KCJJ (sometimes weaker than WIRY 1340) makes it often sound like a local monaural AMer in ST position which means fake stereo, unless conditions are good or at least average which is not always the case. Anyway, the spring is around the corner which means better groundwave reception of WIRY and poorer skywave KCJJ which is not exactly a bad idea, because most of the music played on KCJJ is already available on Virgin 96 CJFM and other FM locals, while MTL is missing a station playing psychedelic oldies, country-blues or Motown like Hometown Radio Stereo WIRY. Thanks for your e-mail Todd ! What is your QTH ? Bogdan Chiochiu - Pierrefonds (Montreal`s West Island), QC - whom passion for C-Quam is at it`s peak ----- Original Message ----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum From what I can hear the separation sounds pretty good. The horns and violins come from the right side and the vocals come from the center. It sounds like another carrier mixing in on the channel causing some very light platform motion but not bad at all. The interfering carrier sounds like it is about 15-20Hz off frequency. If it was only a couple Hz off-frequency the platform motion would sound worse. How far away is the CQuam station from you? It sounds like it must be at least 50 miles distant or more with some light noise mixing in. Perhaps with a good loop antenna you could null out the interfering carrier for cleaner reception if it is not coming from the same or opposite azimuth. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/17/2012 3:50:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com writes: File : /AM_stereo_1340_khz_crispy_sound_cquam.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : My furthest and only C-QUAM stereo local ! I want your opinion on this ! At one point, the stereo separation is pretty tight, but it can be an illusion of platform motion. Is platform motion 100% against C-Quam in older receivers (i,e. before the SRF-42) ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 16:11:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 448 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 00:11:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 00:11:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.94) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 00:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 00:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 00:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 00:11:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:11:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.236.31.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.236.31.201 From: "Jota" Subject: Old Stuff Things for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=K3zPZgmWNfVgNm8HLt4sltWXYn54xSYhKcQsf_CsFEqEISuoTg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! 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Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 16:14:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23847 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 00:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 00:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.38) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 00:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 00:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 00:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 00:14:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:14:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <497FC1CB8F2E4E7284FFAB13203D0783@MirelaPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.236.31.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.236.31.201 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xRpWVkL1_TzFUTLDC72L02N34y3wsOMRo-qmhnXhNh6vm9mFmw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Is the Sony CFS-6000 still produced? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > I live in Pierrefonds (Montreal) and the station is WIRY in Plattsburg, N= Y. The interfering station was nulled as much as possible, it is WMSA in Ma= ssena, NY. Actually from the SW of MTL, which is actually SE of PIERREFONDS= which is NW of MTL (Verdun, Lasalle, Lachine), you can null out WMSA bette= r and get a clearer shot at WIRY. WIRY is a 1 kW C-Quamer on 1340, a gravey= ard frequency. I could have reduced the background noise, but the sound wou= ld be less crisp in Narrow mode. I used a Sony CFS-6000 boombox portable wi= th a passive Select-A-Tenna on top of it tuned to 1340 kHz. >=20 > I posted this file here to share with you, but also because it reminds me= of anothing thing: local non C-QUam broadcaster sound different in ST mode= on the Sony CFS-6000, and on on other reeivers I have. What is causing tha= t low frequencies on one side on high frequencies on the high side ? It isn= `t like full stereo, but what it has to do with mono AM encoding ... ? The = horns and violin right OR left ONLY stereo separation is typical of early s= tereo recordings where the separation is pretty tight, if not VERY tight, b= ut on newer recordings, i.e. the ones played on KCJJ 1630, it is sometimes = more difficult to say. While the signal here in Pierrefonds was steady, I e= njoyed HEY BABY by the DESTINY CHILD and it is one track that as mediocre a= s it is has above-average stereo separation which is obviously not the case= , usually, of today`s music since the late 90s or so. However, the unstable= and very often weak signal of KCJJ (sometimes weaker than WIRY 1340) makes= it often sound like a local monaural AMer in ST position which means fake = stereo, unless conditions are good or at least average which is not always = the case. >=20 > Anyway, the spring is around the corner which means better groundwave rec= eption of WIRY and poorer skywave KCJJ which is not exactly a bad idea, bec= ause most of the music played on KCJJ is already available on Virgin 96 CJF= M and other FM locals, while MTL is missing a station playing psychedelic o= ldies, country-blues or Motown like Hometown Radio Stereo WIRY. >=20 > Thanks for your e-mail Todd ! What is your QTH ? > Bogdan Chiochiu - Pierrefonds (Montreal`s West Island), QC - whom passion= for C-Quam is at it`s peak >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: toddroberts2001@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > From what I can hear the separation sounds pretty good. The horns and=20 > violins > come from the right side and the vocals come from the center. It sounds= =20 > like > another carrier mixing in on the channel causing some very light platfo= rm=20 > motion but > not bad at all. The interfering carrier sounds like it is about 15-20Hz= =20 > off frequency. If > it was only a couple Hz off-frequency the platform motion would sound=20 > worse. >=20 > How far away is the CQuam station from you? It sounds like it must be a= t=20 > least 50 > miles distant or more with some light noise mixing in. Perhaps with a g= ood=20 > loop antenna you could null out the interfering carrier for cleaner=20 > reception if it is not coming from the same or opposite azimuth. >=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20 > In a message dated 2/17/2012 3:50:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com writes: > File : /AM_stereo_1340_khz_crispy_sound_cquam.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > Description : My furthest and only C-QUAM stereo local ! I want your=20 > opinion on this ! At one point, the stereo separation is pretty tight, = but it=20 > can be an illusion of platform motion. Is platform motion 100% against = C-Quam=20 > in older receivers (i,e. before the SRF-42) ?=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 17 18:37:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69306 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 02:37:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 02:37:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 02:37:33 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0LZK003EGHYJLFA0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:37:33 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <4C2D34D4AB354A768D868ABD07AEE60B@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:37:35 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=UMSIJfzLL3lmGuHPt_eP6okWuhCIdTZPc-F3UGknqMh5m-YYrRRn97I X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A1 H=F3la estimado compa=F1ero ! No, obviously not, especially considering it is an oldschool boombox that d= o not cover the X-band OFFICIALLY (it actually does, up to about 1670 or 16= 80, but to listen on 1680 you almost break the dial, I won`t suggest you do= that, but rather open up the receiver and adjust it to get up to 1710 or 1= 720 khz). It is one of the VERY few (probably one of two) receivers that ca= me along with a tape machine and an amazing tape machine to that with DOLBY= et al... The only other personnal cassette airchecker FM ST / AM ST I`m aw= are of is the Sanyo MW 250, but it doesn`t have a narrower or normal AM ST = filter, just AM ST WIDE or AM NOR mono which is bad if you want to tune in = to something other than my WIRY-1340 semi-local i.e. KCJJ-1630 or even WINY= -1350 although I wasn`t able to discern any stereo separation from the regu= lar platform motion on WINY, there were unpleasant growls in AM WIDE ST pos= ition on the Sony CFS-6000. So it is NOT produced anymore (back on topic), = BUT if you get EXTREMELY lucky you could perphaps get a hint of it on EBay = sometime. To close this e-mail, I`m very glad WIRY is stil in stereo as it is a pure = semi-local and Montreal had quite a few locals in C-Quam in the past includ= ing CJMS 1280 (nowadays CFMB) and CKGM 990, but I wasn`t in the scene at th= e time - I wasn`t even in the country and in Romania we do not have AM ster= eo, so more than a few Montrealers remember AM Stereo. That being said, not= anyone is within the reach of a groundwave c-quamer, but I do believe RIGH= T NOW in 2012 there is more left in the USA than in Canada, especially in t= he Connecticut area... A question related to that will follow... May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 7:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20=20=20=20 Hi!!! Is the Sony CFS-6000 still produced? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > I live in Pierrefonds (Montreal) and the station is WIRY in Plattsburg,= NY. The interfering station was nulled as much as possible, it is WMSA in = Massena, NY. Actually from the SW of MTL, which is actually SE of PIERREFON= DS which is NW of MTL (Verdun, Lasalle, Lachine), you can null out WMSA bet= ter and get a clearer shot at WIRY. WIRY is a 1 kW C-Quamer on 1340, a grav= eyard frequency. I could have reduced the background noise, but the sound w= ould be less crisp in Narrow mode. I used a Sony CFS-6000 boombox portable = with a passive Select-A-Tenna on top of it tuned to 1340 kHz. >=20 > I posted this file here to share with you, but also because it reminds = me of anothing thing: local non C-QUam broadcaster sound different in ST mo= de on the Sony CFS-6000, and on on other reeivers I have. What is causing t= hat low frequencies on one side on high frequencies on the high side ? It i= sn`t like full stereo, but what it has to do with mono AM encoding ... ? Th= e horns and violin right OR left ONLY stereo separation is typical of early= stereo recordings where the separation is pretty tight, if not VERY tight,= but on newer recordings, i.e. the ones played on KCJJ 1630, it is sometime= s more difficult to say. While the signal here in Pierrefonds was steady, I= enjoyed HEY BABY by the DESTINY CHILD and it is one track that as mediocre= as it is has above-average stereo separation which is obviously not the ca= se, usually, of today`s music since the late 90s or so. However, the unstab= le and very often weak signal of KCJJ (sometimes weaker than WIRY 1340) mak= es it often sound like a local monaural AMer in ST position which means fak= e stereo, unless conditions are good or at least average which is not alway= s the case. >=20 > Anyway, the spring is around the corner which means better groundwave r= eception of WIRY and poorer skywave KCJJ which is not exactly a bad idea, b= ecause most of the music played on KCJJ is already available on Virgin 96 C= JFM and other FM locals, while MTL is missing a station playing psychedelic= oldies, country-blues or Motown like Hometown Radio Stereo WIRY. >=20 > Thanks for your e-mail Todd ! What is your QTH ? > Bogdan Chiochiu - Pierrefonds (Montreal`s West Island), QC - whom passi= on for C-Quam is at it`s peak >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: toddroberts2001@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 >=20 >=20 > From what I can hear the separation sounds pretty good. The horns and=20 > violins > come from the right side and the vocals come from the center. It sounds= =20 > like > another carrier mixing in on the channel causing some very light platfo= rm=20 > motion but > not bad at all. The interfering carrier sounds like it is about 15-20Hz= =20 > off frequency. If > it was only a couple Hz off-frequency the platform motion would sound=20 > worse. >=20 > How far away is the CQuam station from you? It sounds like it must be a= t=20 > least 50 > miles distant or more with some light noise mixing in. Perhaps with a g= ood=20 > loop antenna you could null out the interfering carrier for cleaner=20 > reception if it is not coming from the same or opposite azimuth. >=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20 > In a message dated 2/17/2012 3:50:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com writes: > File : /AM_stereo_1340_khz_crispy_sound_cquam.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > Description : My furthest and only C-QUAM stereo local ! I want your=20 > opinion on this ! At one point, the stereo separation is pretty tight, = but it=20 > can be an illusion of platform motion. Is platform motion 100% against = C-Quam=20 > in older receivers (i,e. before the SRF-42) ?=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 17 18:42:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58449 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 02:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 02:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 02:42:38 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0LZK005WYI4T8M30@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:41:18 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <231E3A0D83974921A196BFFB877D4ABB@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:42:42 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=LEzHvXI5_aSgR0rDY4sAyk4ci0oeoAqeP9dOQwHcQ82GpVkdd95kJpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Knowing that in Canada, besides CFCO-630 and, perphaps, two stations in Winnipeg (inaudibles here), there is nothing C-QUAM left, I wonder what is the status of AM Stereo on mainstream commercial broadcasters in the USA. How many of those are left ? WINY, WQEN, WLBQ, KCJJ, WIRY and...KEVA 1240 are the only ones I can remember off the hand...Anything else left ? Also, which of those, according to you, is having the best sound ? 73 and good C-QUAM local, semi-local and DX listening, Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Feb 17 19:10:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90033 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 03:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 03:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f180.google.com) (209.85.160.180) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 03:10:29 -0000 X-Received: by ghbz22 with SMTP id z22so2243681ghb.25 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:10:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.157.10 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.157.10; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.157.10 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.157.10]) by 10.236.157.10 with SMTP id n10mr16925583yhk.41.1329534629334 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:10:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.157.10 with SMTP id n10mr13003339yhk.41.1329534629251; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:10:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6sm17895132anc.3.2012.02.17.19.10.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:10:28 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <231E3A0D83974921A196BFFB877D4ABB@MirelaPC> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:10:26 -0500 Message-Id: <0B3D2038-74AE-4C04-8FBC-9F2BF03AEB80@gmail.com> References: <231E3A0D83974921A196BFFB877D4ABB@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=p10b2hiR7L6rV9gyO6DpENWN9hL746ewdarqNQAKeLxd_eOmpznIcH-Uw37msA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > WINY, WQEN, WLBQ, KCJJ, WIRY and...KEVA 1240 are the only ones I can remember off the hand...Anything else left ? WLS at Night, WBZ when on back-up Transmitter, WNMB, WPCC > Also, which of those, according to you, is having the best sound ? WNMB Sounds best by a Country Mile. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Feb 17 19:31:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79022 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 03:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 03:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 03:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1I3Uu0B008086 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:30:56 -0500 X-Received: from core-mga002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.217]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9D0DCE000081 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:30:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6ef6b.752e1223.3c707570@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:30:56 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:361671808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74f3f1b702764 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=XX1W8MqBOvPbfE6utjYCMZ58dmZTAqTEDNMHuvh63dAEjYl-Dv4_ X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi Bogdan, Your directions between cities sound a little confusing to me. I see that you are about 60 miles NW distance from Plattsburg, NY which would be considered a distant service area for WIRY on most radios but you have your Sony boombox souped up with a Select-A-Tenna loop. WMSA in Messina, NY is about 70 miles West of Plattsburg, NY. That sounds like pretty close spacing for two stations sharing 1340KHz. You are lucky to be within ground wave distance of a CQuam station. That is the only reliable way to receive CQuam AM Stereo. I am located on Hilton Head Island, SC. My nighttime skywave reception of KCJJ 1630 is spotty at best. Only rarely does it come in well enough for full-quieting in AM Stereo mode without fading and platform motion. The only other nighttime CQuam station I can hear is WLS 890 from Chicago. Full quieting CQuam from 50 KW WLS is more reliable compared to KCJJ but WLS is a news-talk station so only once in a while do they have anything in Stereo, mostly a few local commercials with some stereo background music. I would have thought there would be more active AM Stereo stations left in Canada these days? I thought Canada encouraged AM Stereo more than the USA did back in the 80's and 90's? I still don't understand why AM Stereo has disappeared from the airwaves in the past few years except for competition from IBOC that was sold as a bill of goods as supposedly AM radio's future. IBOC has failed on all their promises. It decreased the range of an AM station, it reduced fidelity to a 5KHz response, it greatly increased adjacent-channel interference especially at nighttime and greatly increased the cost of a receiver able to decode it. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/17/2012 5:37:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, acq@videotron.ca writes: I live in Pierrefonds (Montreal) and the station is WIRY in Plattsburg, NY. The interfering station was nulled as much as possible, it is WMSA in Massena, NY. Actually from the SW of MTL, which is actually SE of PIERREFONDS which is NW of MTL (Verdun, Lasalle, Lachine), you can null out WMSA better and get a clearer shot at WIRY. WIRY is a 1 kW C-Quamer on 1340, a graveyard frequency. I could have reduced the background noise, but the sound would be less crisp in Narrow mode. I used a Sony CFS-6000 boombox portable with a passive Select-A-Tenna on top of it tuned to 1340 kHz. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Feb 17 19:38:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38311 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 03:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 03:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 03:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1I3civ4020571 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:38:44 -0500 X-Received: from core-mga002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.217]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2367CE000088 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:38:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6f1b5.386d9e3a.3c707743@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:38:44 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:355395136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33894f3f1d44014a X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=NNZ-mlZ38ixTajE1xren1mqgtfN82179rclktuvBPA8-eM6-29CS X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Don't forget WLWL 770 Rockingham, NC AM Stereo Oldies 5KW daytimer. Just out of my groundwave range here in SC. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/17/2012 10:10:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > WINY, WQEN, WLBQ, KCJJ, WIRY and...KEVA 1240 are the only ones I can remember off the hand...Anything else left ? WLS at Night, WBZ when on back-up Transmitter, WNMB, WPCC > Also, which of those, according to you, is having the best sound ? WNMB Sounds best by a Country Mile. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sat Feb 18 07:40:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69523 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 15:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 15:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.161) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 15:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 15:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 15:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 15:40:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:40:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1328919927.63290.YahooMailNeo@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.180.114.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.180.114.26 From: "professorpoole" Subject: Re: AM Radio "RDS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165; y=juVyP886vTJ_O2lpYJh-QNUOg3QpI1Sw3nKxYLPctuFMGNI X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole Hah! First time I've ever noticed this thread. I'm a broadcast engineer who= maintains three HD-R FMs and two HD-R AMs. I'll pipe in with an opinion. := ) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Boogie350 wrote: > > The BOTTOM LINE: Why digital has no place on AM band. >=20 > 1. The digital mask causes far too much interference... you're not going = to change that. Actually ... not so much. With *voice* programming, you can make an argumen= t. See my article in our January 2008 newsletter (scroll down; it's near th= e middle). http://www.crawfordbroadcasting.com/Local_Oscillator/January%202008%20Local= %20Oscillator.pdf We determined that if the AM band were to move back to music, with heavy pr= ocessing, there is actually *more* 1st-adjacent-channel interference with h= eavily-processed music, especially with an older tube transmitter. > 2. The digital signal is extremely fragile and static kills the sync... y= ou're not going to change that. We've been disappointed in the coverage, too. There are ways to improve tha= t in the receiver, but the problem is getting the receiver manufacturers in= terested in AM. (We had that problem with CQuam, too, by the way -- our com= pany invested heavily in CQuam at all of our AMs and to the bitter end, wer= e depressed with the lack of receivers.) > 3. The lossy compression sounds like crap... you're not going to improve = that much. Depends on how you process it. Most stations just hook their analog process= ing up to the IBOC exciter, and yes, that sounds like doo-doo. When done pr= operly, it sounds like a really well-done, but low bit rate, Web stream. De= cent, but not superlative. No, it doesn't "sound like FM," as some of iBiquity's promo materials first= wanted us to believe. But it's an improvement. > 4. The majority of AM owners are NOT going to pay the licensing fee to In= iquity Very true. I've ranted about this one for some time. > 5. How many people have an HD radio for AM band, and actually know/care a= bout it? That's not changing either. Some of this is the general decline in AM over the past two decades. There = are many people who never listen to AM nowadays, anyway. But just for the r= ecord, we do have listeners here who enjoy HD-R and will call us if the exc= iter chokes up. :) Just my opinion, but you rung my doorbell. I actually though CQuam sounded = pretty good, myself. But time marches on. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 08:29:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69004 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 16:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 16:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.180) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 16:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 16:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 16:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 16:29:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:29:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6f1b5.386d9e3a.3c707743@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.241.161.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.161.186 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=VH6TgFbpHuSH8Y-FnPOhI4o--7xXTqtf6tuCdaG1vHBbM97JS6W6TPE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio And the AM station that JUST switched on it's CQUAM near Saginaw Michigan i= n just 2012 ! From acq@videotron.ca Sat Feb 18 09:20:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79646 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 17:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 17:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 17:20:57 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0LZL00DF8MKAQRB0@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:14:35 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <0D055DF232814DD1B615EC591DA382E8@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:21:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=_80ISAHKl5-XqKK7tz6l_Qel_B4akhDNvownyEUPSgE5bthDS6oa338 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried to get that one, on 1080, but WTIC was virtually unnulable. By the way, WIRY is coming strong right now with occasional splatter from a local on 1450 that is VERY NEARBY (or my Sony CFS-6000 maybe does not handle the Select-A-Tenna perfectly), on 1340 kHz. Anyway, I`ll try 1080 Saginaw, MI as condx improove... May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:29 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? And the AM station that JUST switched on it's CQUAM near Saginaw Michigan in just 2012 ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Feb 18 10:23:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70782 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 18:23:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 18:23:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 18:23:26 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1IINLKY031909 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:23:21 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgd004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.9]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5CF6DE000082 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:23:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4406.43ee6ef8.3c714699@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:23:21 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:414419488:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4f3fec997ba0 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=rC5AynbrAhNX6E3aiVGyHHR4UHIK0ZSjQtAAQ0XSgrNh5YC6TEKO X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, One thing I have been noticing over the years regarding platform motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be several carriers on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is most noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you are listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and there is another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred miles or so. When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will even mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder to turn on. The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for AM stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be within +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to hear carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This sounds like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. If the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if every station was exactly on-channel there would be little or no platform motion. Getting exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days with GPS disciplined oscillators. I set one up myself at home for about $150 using surplus components that gives me nearly the accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many newer solid state broadcast transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and provision to add a GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel without too big an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to cleaning up the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people hear nowadays on almost every channel. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 10:56:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1869 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 18:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 18:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.200) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 18:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 18:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 18:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 18:56:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:56:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4406.43ee6ef8.3c714699@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.56.116 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.116 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hBXPAf2-HyQbp1spm10IM7hYnfZXyAILMRIVx7XFHFL9hdKijA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I think there should be another way to lock the reference carrier phase: TO= USE A LOWER AND WHOLE DECIMAL FRECUENCY PILOT TONE. If the pilot was 10 HZ (+- 0.01 HZ), and it was more stronger than the toda= y standard 25 HZ (-3 dB, or so), and it has a dedicated and intentional dir= ect related phase with the main carrier, it would be enough to get a clear = reference phase to the decoder and to avoid the platform motion effect. Of course, I'm not sure if there would be somebody really interested to cha= nge all the exciters and decoders all over the world, today. Just let me dream with a full perfect AM STEREO world!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > Hi All, > One thing I have been noticing over the years regarding platform > motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be several carriers > on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is most > noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you > are listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and the= re > is another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred miles > or so. >=20 > When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that=20=20 > interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a=20=20 > carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will > even mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder > to turn on. >=20 > The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for AM > stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be within > +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to hear > carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This sounds > like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. >=20 > If the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if=20 > every station was exactly on-channel there would be little or no platfor= m > motion. Getting exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days > with GPS disciplined oscillators. I set one up myself at home for > about $150 using surplus components that gives me nearly the > accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many newer solid state broadcast=20 > transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and provision to add a=20 > GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel without > too big an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to cleaning up > the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people hear > nowadays on almost every channel. >=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 11:11:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57177 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 19:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 19:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.200) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 19:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 19:11:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 19:11:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2012 19:11:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:11:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.56.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.116 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: AM Radio "RDS" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ifh-o8h-hySx1MD3zchPxg1qUxIny5G82r1ORpzFttYmXy3Igg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I guess IBOC would work enough fine with a more than 50,000 Watts power TX,= but it isn't most of the cases here, in my beautiful country: CHILE, South= America. We still are a poor country and 80% of the AM stations (like mine) only hav= e 1,000 Watts final power. With the standard crazy Chilean geography, we are so lucky if we get a 30 k= ilometers (18 miles) radius full clean coverage area at perfect daytime and= 15 kilometers (9 miles) at nightime. With IBOC, I guess our coverage area = will be less than today, so... it isn't an option to us. I'm trying to convince my chilean AM colleagues to change to stereo C-QUAM = this year, knowing the fact that Chile doesn't have an official rule about = this item (the today law doesn't speak about AM Stereo, so we can to use it= , because the law doesn't forbid it, but... the law doesn't explicitly allo= w it, too). BTW: The main enemy to the AM MW Band, here in Chile, isn't an AM technique= issue. Our main enemy are the ELECTRIC POWER LINES. We have too much noisy= lines here, too much noisy lines, AND NOBODY DOES SOMETHING!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "professorpoole" wrote= : > > Hah! First time I've ever noticed this thread. I'm a broadcast engineer w= ho maintains three HD-R FMs and two HD-R AMs. I'll pipe in with an opinion.= :) >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Boogie350 wrote: > > > > The BOTTOM LINE: Why digital has no place on AM band. > >=20 > > 1. The digital mask causes far too much interference... you're not goin= g to change that. >=20 > Actually ... not so much. With *voice* programming, you can make an argum= ent. See my article in our January 2008 newsletter (scroll down; it's near = the middle). >=20 > http://www.crawfordbroadcasting.com/Local_Oscillator/January%202008%20Loc= al%20Oscillator.pdf >=20 > We determined that if the AM band were to move back to music, with heavy = processing, there is actually *more* 1st-adjacent-channel interference with= heavily-processed music, especially with an older tube transmitter. >=20 > > 2. The digital signal is extremely fragile and static kills the sync...= you're not going to change that. >=20 > We've been disappointed in the coverage, too. There are ways to improve t= hat in the receiver, but the problem is getting the receiver manufacturers = interested in AM. (We had that problem with CQuam, too, by the way -- our c= ompany invested heavily in CQuam at all of our AMs and to the bitter end, w= ere depressed with the lack of receivers.) >=20 > > 3. The lossy compression sounds like crap... you're not going to improv= e that much. >=20 > Depends on how you process it. Most stations just hook their analog proce= ssing up to the IBOC exciter, and yes, that sounds like doo-doo. When done = properly, it sounds like a really well-done, but low bit rate, Web stream. = Decent, but not superlative. >=20 > No, it doesn't "sound like FM," as some of iBiquity's promo materials fir= st wanted us to believe. But it's an improvement. >=20 > > 4. The majority of AM owners are NOT going to pay the licensing fee to = Iniquity >=20 > Very true. I've ranted about this one for some time. >=20 > > 5. How many people have an HD radio for AM band, and actually know/care= about it? That's not changing either. >=20 > Some of this is the general decline in AM over the past two decades. Ther= e are many people who never listen to AM nowadays, anyway. But just for the= record, we do have listeners here who enjoy HD-R and will call us if the e= xciter chokes up. :) >=20 > Just my opinion, but you rung my doorbell. I actually though CQuam sounde= d pretty good, myself. But time marches on. > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Feb 18 11:42:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81978 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 19:42:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 19:42:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f178.google.com) (209.85.213.178) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 19:42:43 -0000 X-Received: by yenm12 with SMTP id m12so2658354yen.37 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:42:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.189.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.189.5; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.189.5 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.189.5]) by 10.236.189.5 with SMTP id b5mr20605546yhn.93.1329594163139 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:42:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.189.5 with SMTP id b5mr15809145yhn.93.1329594163099; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:42:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b9sm20207932and.20.2012.02.18.11.42.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:42:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:42:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <05F9344D-0913-4946-8002-292B77B0725B@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=HvZVMqsLgKJ61sa-v3LffBd7h-HT3xKdoXsfClphpY7vmGCZC-OKlWw9V55STQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Jota wrote: > Just let me dream with a full perfect AM STEREO world!!! That Dream was called "Magnavox AM Stereo"! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Feb 18 14:36:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12717 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 22:36:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 22:36:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-06.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.166) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 22:36:43 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120218163618002470500011> for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:36:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F4027E0.1040508@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:36:16 -0600 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:36:18 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.27) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/3.1.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4406.43ee6ef8.3c714699@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4406.43ee6ef8.3c714699@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120218-2, 02/18/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=RQNrX6Q68doZ5HOQssJ3Dlw4gktVY1tsibWC1ZnImcynXxg_uIFA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 2/18/2012 12:23 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for AM > stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be within > +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to hear > carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This sounds > like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. BZZT! +/- 20Hz. Been that way since WWII, IIRC. 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(VPS 120218-2, 02/18/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xo87tml00rp4bFSwTsvXrYAwEuD_HH1ovNIBkBDG9oWWv4hF1_7x X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 2/18/2012 1:42 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Jota wrote: > > > Just let me dream with a full perfect AM STEREO world!!! > > That Dream was called "Magnavox AM Stereo"! > > No doubt it sounds good, but its chief drawback was you had to limit negative modulation to less than 95% to keep from getting audible pops on the decoder. That's why so few stations ever went with it. Scott From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Feb 18 14:48:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84320 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 22:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 22:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 22:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1IMmStZ009973 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:48:28 -0500 X-Received: from core-mga001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.193]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2D662E000082 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:48:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <74ea2.7fb84e2d.3c7184bc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:48:28 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445632896:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4f402abc28ef X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=TWKrB6jrBufYNPoj4lZa8zz82ywW1WZOFl2NiJTnh4djruAEoW8G X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 2/18/2012 5:36:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: BZZT! +/- 20Hz. Been that way since WWII, IIRC. Scott Todd Thanks for the correction! Somehow I thought it was +/- 30Hz but I guess even +/- 20Hz seems like way too wide a tolerance for this day and age when everyone has easy access to GPS! I recently measured a station in Charleston, SC WTMA 1250 that was 27 Hz high so I guess they are out of tolerance. Thanks - 73 Todd WD4NGG From cozy659@yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 21:15:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: cozy659@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39641 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2012 05:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2012 05:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm14-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.174) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2012 05:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 05:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.161] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 05:15:08 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1062.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 05:15:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 907848.80424.bm@omp1062.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 70968 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2012 05:15:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _BIiT_MVM1mr8coBIi5e5XnsfATkSPT2V61LXqR98ai2OH6 _Qqn6r6Ekmhzs61Q28jhRYetWlcxOZA6AN7EIQcU4ZrorlZSucJE.uIs3HTU 8ABOKigl6ndyRcD3L80oFKHdKmo3OA86dcRH7yLyQ4AyMMgBRxY2_iPlFuJX eS488Zx12i0fGEhVXJYFXuhfg2mEb._A0KxpJ36V.xBlHd0K_gQsZYQMA_XI KJ_V_YFDNgeoaRI17hby2vT3glqVk97PSD224hmyg01txn1vbfSM8RMAuF1o ZF350_Hzo3cXS9i1BAAQ_NIHC3DCyYq1KwXf0TA63I2xJ_wbokybe94o3N0W K6thH._F90lgrB9fFODM3ZYtvzbgEA.WNa7X0FroE.k37jcHhqD4Qv3XHDuI Eg2oqT2XMdJq6ORl2VxocEWI9RSdwQhexvv3Hj5LRLu8Hfo7KAFqbG97vRfA iqcHu6FjyeR0i_MhPMiiWlgHD37GmGZBhlNf_b0oc7qRYoXB_SpXcutXAjWD oL.PxrMP2QztmThT0Grnrm6Sv1CMuuzRcpZhZfICYmKiKQtBTHq0Y1q_TagQ 5XUfcPdlhqen8miGN5eaYj33AajmtTC4SfMtm.YWHcguLZ4GUDuU3uq2_1ym 0hJycAgPkfgAenP5i8WMvSLavYGB9jlSsrdm7ONKSiJnV1GUdDu4fOW.ylu7 8dhMT6txA7Yq668bj0GEYqiVVxP9iUKSa9.TfUibhYoctEUtRgLWeWqXS_pe r3iODinzEYdm3osxHZ6nX8TdkzsBtv2IJy7D487RA9OjsuipfqSn4onBJY7Z JXHzYS5CNX1J.p0XjBgXlySvNOZxBQB2WWSUpPbCoRuKfxecwyn8piKaQqg7 wl8XcCEcV6sNi55v6AAFUL22yLNFTxELjRv6VHWdGM121DV_SZKjkK7WD X-Received: from [71.187.78.157] by web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:15:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1329628508.37478.YahooMailClassic@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:15:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6f1b5.386d9e3a.3c707743@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=_9HQxfM7ySMvB5Q2UT719eiVLISjHeJHdu_0c830Ov0OfA X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now that I finally Fixed the night patteren. Im doing a proof now. in the n= ext few weeks WHWH may be going back to C-Quam. Oy what a project.Neal --- On Fri, 2/17/12, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrot= e: From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 10:38 PM Don't forget WLWL 770 Rockingham, NC AM Stereo Oldies 5KW daytimer. Just out of my groundwave range here in SC. =20 73 - Todd WD4NGG =20 In a message dated 2/17/2012 10:10:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=A0=20 kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > WINY, WQEN, WLBQ, KCJJ, WIRY and...KEVA 1240 are the only ones I can=A0=20 remember off the hand...Anything else left ? WLS at Night, WBZ when on=A0 back-up Transmitter, WNMB, WPCC > Also, which of those, according to=A0 you, is having the best sound ? WNMB Sounds best by a Country=A0 Mile. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ =20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Feb 18 21:43:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32072 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2012 05:43:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2012 05:43:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2012 05:43:12 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1J5h8l2027417 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:43:08 -0500 X-Received: from core-mga001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.193]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1C7BEE000082 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:43:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <273ce.44b49128.3c71e5eb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:43:08 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:376298720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc4f408bec6ab0 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=lrA_VaF6WYOJyLwyS7eh6sMJSDmQvJ47xLhtVKYBJCgoWblZZP71 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Best of luck on your project to bring AM Stereo back to Princeton, NJ! 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/19/2012 12:15:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cozy659@yahoo.com writes: Now that I finally Fixed the night patteren. Im doing a proof now. in the next few weeks WHWH may be going back to C-Quam. Oy what a project.Neal From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 18 22:46:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38656 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2012 06:46:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2012 06:46:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.216) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2012 06:46:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 06:45:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 06:45:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 06:45:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 06:45:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <273ce.44b49128.3c71e5eb@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.18.48.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.48.47 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=vqvtcspj4Ql_A40agLla5TttJWjwRlwWQ4xZHSeZAnL8Jptif77DGw8DQLIAWYPJ5Xuzlhwa X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Like i wrote before.....more the better. I would rather listen to a C-= QuAM station then a AM IBOC station. All the ones i have herd so far sound= like crap. Very harsh and very tinny and the simbls drive me away. Just a = AM STEREO fans listening piont. I like HD FM 1 and 2 3 not so much. And i a= lso like FM STEREO with out HD RADIO on the same freq. Jim Smith Loomis Ca --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > Best of luck on your project to bring AM Stereo back to > Princeton, NJ! >=20=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20=20 >=20=20 > In a message dated 2/19/2012 12:15:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20=20 > cozy659@... writes: >=20 > Now that I finally Fixed the night patteren. Im doing a proof now. in the= =20=20 > next few weeks WHWH may be going back to C-Quam. Oy what a project.Neal > From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 22:56:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44609 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2012 06:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2012 06:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.44) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2012 06:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 06:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 06:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 06:56:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 06:56:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 76.102.178.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.102.178.135 From: "tom_richard1980" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=YqHVFzDIMKgs0MQboOnu5pQxRvx0aET3_XsTFocftgcJu0og2DTWwZlj X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Doesn't look like there's anymore in the Bay Area. Thanks FCC... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Like i wrote before.....more the better. I would rather listen to a = C-QuAM station then a AM IBOC station. All the ones i have herd so far sou= nd like crap. Very harsh and very tinny and the simbls drive me away. Just = a AM STEREO fans listening piont. I like HD FM 1 and 2 3 not so much. And i= also like FM STEREO with out HD RADIO on the same freq. Jim Smith Loomis = Ca From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 18 23:22:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36241 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2012 07:22:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2012 07:22:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.135) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2012 07:22:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 07:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 07:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2012 07:22:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 07:22:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.18.48.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.48.47 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=irDg1D1K8vzsLJFyysljKiLcbQKGJgAitFC5MIgaG1GBxZo0fX8QpHIF3vM-I4Mdx4jagOlL X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Tom What about KDYA AM STEREO 1190 Vallajo Ca (BILE) and KDIA AM STEREO = Vallajo Ca (bible)? Can you get any one of thoughs two? Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tom_richard1980" wrote: > > Doesn't look like there's anymore in the Bay Area. Thanks FCC... >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Like i wrote before.....more the better. I would rather listen to = a C-QuAM station then a AM IBOC station. All the ones i have herd so far s= ound like crap. Very harsh and very tinny and the simbls drive me away. Jus= t a AM STEREO fans listening piont. I like HD FM 1 and 2 3 not so much. And= i also like FM STEREO with out HD RADIO on the same freq. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=DPtBc54mn041P1BROaubrAnIwL8qSNt5BJHxLTLdmBa9s2tZrxyWcL7ldJYZrKuLw1jCBSWT X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom The second one was KDIA AM STEREO 1640 Vallajo Ca. Not my cup o tea. BIBLE that is. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? Hi Tom What about KDYA AM STEREO 1190 Vallajo Ca (BILE) and KDIA AM STEREO Vallajo Ca (bible)? Can you get any one of thoughs two? Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tom_richard1980" wrote: > > Doesn't look like there's anymore in the Bay Area. Thanks FCC... > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Like i wrote before.....more the better. I would rather listen to a C-QuAM station then a AM IBOC station. All the ones i have herd so far sound like crap. Very harsh and very tinny and the simbls drive me away. Just a AM STEREO fans listening piont. I like HD FM 1 and 2 3 not so much. And i also like FM STEREO with out HD RADIO on the same freq. Jim Smith Loomis Ca > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Feb 19 20:11:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52550 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2012 04:11:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2012 04:11:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2012 04:11:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15773 invoked by uid 0); 20 Feb 2012 04:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.151.13 by rms-us006.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:11:29 -0500 Message-ID: <20120220041129.227390@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: pqIzb7c53zOlOgRR5nAh/GB+IGRvb0B0 X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=3e90Xiyt685QpmUMvQNLVUsLn-6Z4uLTNeTsXcdyKACzhMaLxRCK X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang, Neal, what kind of power is WHWH running now? I thought they were licensed for 5kw, but I think I heard they were outputting 1.25kw. This was a while ago, when WBCB programming was being carried. ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman Sent: 02/19/12 12:15 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cozy659@yahoo.com Mon Feb 20 05:21:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: cozy659@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24505 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2012 13:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2012 13:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.52.66) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2012 13:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.191] by nm2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2012 13:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.152] by tm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2012 13:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2012 13:21:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 304063.8303.bm@omp1035.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 47844 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2012 13:21:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: dThIJWUVM1kUUL52mn21NEiCi_PuMfjPuuDQWQPgPpQYbxE mLI3diqa.DdPT3CXfE_Fuxu2Ld77_41zdgQba1LigQcRdVOr7lNrpXer96zj DVBAvqM5vcgyTgyhfj5EaL_f5MUuRd.KS1v9KKmd.5Lc_5s.80orNCrrQbh3 6yNYDKysnw3wDON9gPfz8mHjJgSGevpDBDbDouUrka4c9.fjLHgVuQgBVUYY yduM_phIlym_oD.wbs5aOGjEHz.7TMyTA2Crz6fqe0_jfRwvRHvtdveUFump loHerLUxNyIYy4TBa3FmVvKv86i6UQYntJv31nciYb3sLSVRz7vFZjxJ35Tr ZLhkI05SL46i3icE4WG7QSH6bnqlSYHTQjYVCyyq5UXsAtvo77uQUXPpZu4Q zhcr0WpkLpumB80_Ke0KgE0NuIsmV7LPBuOsIMwJ7qCpyjHcBN7aADxsMNi6 kD7tRcELOqLuiBPswvBnZ1Zr5jkBLtv9hx1XkESz2UBG18hSTDnVWSEIWb_1 oOEVcQ8DpRvZSO4GmCTfE5KZrUfuGVLKobQFDWCSzVhZr1XV61mgDiZLTfsr cGLgrvwo_KngyVzXq_yQdFJqOYf5FZS8fdnzQJ1MVAi69tPzDAuIV55b4JD_ krY_o1DclkjFnjeIymdYbIFDX.FikTjAGDvSU8TZoGXiLC4Wny6B2_1qVfnZ kdthKtwHzd9tmRCEcYlapD0g.t6JJoGj_WFz0xm18pzwlqiyu250l700_qtI PZ6yAsATOVXYSxg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: tngUMh2swBAOaqRDz2M46H_zfRw- X-Received: from [192.168.1.6] (cozy659@71.187.78.157 with xymcookie) by smtp103-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2012 05:21:33 -0800 PST References: <20120220041129.227390@gmx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <20120220041129.227390@gmx.com> Message-Id: <489D6AE2-6745-4885-9FD0-D57465B95683@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:14:10 -0500 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) X-Originating-IP: 98.139.52.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=fw82lkrOwn8yr5XKRpk5bXml7LpnSV7A_ws5WlUd9NuScA X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 In 2006 the transmitter site was vandalized . I had the station running at = 1.25 kw non-D mode under an STA. after I got the day pattern fixed. It want= back to 5kw day and 2kw night in day pattern while I repaired the night pa= ttern. Finally fixed the night pattern when the site owners had a inspection crew = come in and they accidental cut the feeds to a night tower. So it's been ru= nning in this mode since under an STA. Now I finally got the night pattern fixed again. So it's now back to Normal= . 5 kw 24/7 Switching patterns. The transmitter is a BE AM-6a with a C-Quam card. I just need to balance the left and right from the studios, before I turn = the stereo back on. Right now I have it mono'd. Neal Sent from my iPad On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > Hi Gang, >=20 > Neal, what kind of power is WHWH running now? I thought they were license= d for 5kw, but I think I heard they were outputting 1.25kw. This was a whil= e ago, when WBCB programming was being carried. >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neal Newman > Sent: 02/19/12 12:15 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Feb 20 05:26:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11595 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2012 13:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2012 13:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s28.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.167) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2012 13:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP454 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s28.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:26:01 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP454.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:26:00 -0800 To: References: <20120220041129.227390@gmx.com> <489D6AE2-6745-4885-9FD0-D57465B95683@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:26:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2012 13:26:00.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[30076270:01CCEFD3] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.167 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=CDAk1fZ0VFV3aouBnzm5CBQPur8zJIQoy6cxcWPbpKLp X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd sometimes i swear neal stations need to go back to having armed onsite engineers who live at the tx site like they did in the old days. after a few crack heads go out of a few tx sites horizontal from lead poisoning word will spread fast and they will find less riskier places to steal their copper from. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:14 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? > In 2006 the transmitter site was vandalized . I had the station running at > 1.25 kw non-D mode under an STA. after I got the day pattern fixed. It > want back to 5kw day and 2kw night in day pattern while I repaired the > night pattern. > Finally fixed the night pattern when the site owners had a inspection crew > come in and they accidental cut the feeds to a night tower. So it's been > running in this mode since under an STA. > Now I finally got the night pattern fixed again. So it's now back to > Normal. 5 kw 24/7 > Switching patterns. > The transmitter is a BE AM-6a with a C-Quam card. > I just need to balance the left and right from the studios, before I turn > the stereo back on. > Right now I have it mono'd. > Neal > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > >> Hi Gang, >> >> Neal, what kind of power is WHWH running now? I thought they were >> licensed for 5kw, but I think I heard they were outputting 1.25kw. This >> was a while ago, when WBCB programming was being carried. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Neal Newman >> Sent: 02/19/12 12:15 AM >> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Feb 20 06:55:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28945 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2012 14:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2012 14:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.155) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2012 14:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP323 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:55:09 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP323.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:55:08 -0800 To: References: <20120220041129.227390@gmx.com> <489D6AE2-6745-4885-9FD0-D57465B95683@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:55:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2012 14:55:09.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3B2EEE0:01CCEFDF] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=idMOwZ9E-KGvz1QAOKJKuzVgJeuxDkZaNig_nRGU6USf X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i know it sounds horrible but law enforcement seems powerless to do anything anymore and the hard core criminals have more rights than the victims. we need to protect our own property, homes and families these days. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert P Chrysafis" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:26 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? > sometimes i swear neal stations need to go back to having armed onsite > engineers who live at the tx site like they did in the old days. after a > few > crack heads go out of a few tx sites horizontal from lead poisoning word > will spread fast and they will find less riskier places to steal their > copper from. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Newman" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:14 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? > > >> In 2006 the transmitter site was vandalized . I had the station running >> at >> 1.25 kw non-D mode under an STA. after I got the day pattern fixed. It >> want back to 5kw day and 2kw night in day pattern while I repaired the >> night pattern. >> Finally fixed the night pattern when the site owners had a inspection >> crew >> come in and they accidental cut the feeds to a night tower. So it's been >> running in this mode since under an STA. >> Now I finally got the night pattern fixed again. So it's now back to >> Normal. 5 kw 24/7 >> Switching patterns. >> The transmitter is a BE AM-6a with a C-Quam card. >> I just need to balance the left and right from the studios, before I turn >> the stereo back on. >> Right now I have it mono'd. >> Neal >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: >> >>> Hi Gang, >>> >>> Neal, what kind of power is WHWH running now? I thought they were >>> licensed for 5kw, but I think I heard they were outputting 1.25kw. This >>> was a while ago, when WBCB programming was being carried. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Neal Newman >>> Sent: 02/19/12 12:15 AM >>> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Feb 20 07:07:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49039 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2012 15:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2012 15:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f42.google.com) (209.85.213.42) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2012 15:07:24 -0000 X-Received: by yhfq11 with SMTP id q11so2529849yhf.15 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:07:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.155.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.155.6; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.155.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.155.6]) by 10.236.155.6 with SMTP id i6mr6039230yhk.87.1329750443830 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:07:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.155.6 with SMTP id i6mr4721179yhk.87.1329750443765; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:07:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n24sm46809772yhj.13.2012.02.20.07.07.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:07:22 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:07:19 -0500 Message-Id: <90176312-1981-4BC5-9094-A615A6EE1181@gmail.com> References: <20120220041129.227390@gmx.com> <489D6AE2-6745-4885-9FD0-D57465B95683@yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=D4BL7JKwFtuHdMM4ctCOCjkF4RHXAc0oVEuixEZKNH9w_r1ivPUj51bcBu0Gsw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > sometimes i swear neal stations need to go back to having armed onsite > engineers who live at the tx site like they did in the old days. I am willing to do that, IF they provide room for my Wife and Family too. > after a few > crack heads go out of a few tx sites horizontal from lead poisoning word > will spread fast and they will find less riskier places to steal their > copper from. Yup, if I catch one, I will put a .38 Slug in 'em before I ever call the Law. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Feb 20 07:10:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72305 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2012 15:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2012 15:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f45.google.com) (209.85.216.45) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2012 15:10:18 -0000 X-Received: by qabg40 with SMTP id g40so4161164qab.18 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.229.102.134 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.102.134; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.229.102.134 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.229.102.134]) by 10.229.102.134 with SMTP id g6mr16214703qco.21.1329750602121 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.229.102.134 with SMTP id g6mr13798248qco.21.1329750602048; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:10:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hp1sm1011363qab.22.2012.02.20.07.09.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:10:01 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:09:57 -0500 Message-Id: <0F5BAFDC-58B7-4C4D-8622-B56AB3FADFF1@gmail.com> References: <20120220041129.227390@gmx.com> <489D6AE2-6745-4885-9FD0-D57465B95683@yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=JR5Qca9qsxdUurOrphVeB_W7RWAXwe40FUxtz_JWzpNUmHX_3TnL_hFs1eZkmg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > i know it sounds horrible but law enforcement seems powerless to do anything > anymore and the hard core criminals have more rights than the victims. we > need to protect our own property, homes and families these days. For Home Defense, I have a Remington 870 12 Gauge that is loaded with alternating rounds of Buck Shot and Slugs. If somebody breaks in on us, I am gonna turn them into Hamburger Meat. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Mon Feb 20 13:58:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48994 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2012 21:58:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2012 21:58:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2012 21:58:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30489 invoked by uid 0); 20 Feb 2012 21:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.151.13 by rms-us010.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:58:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20120220215812.227420@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: o6Qwb7I53zOlOgRR5nAhGxp+IGRvbwC4 X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=SkholnSTUOtkyidSR_XFzEUoS2UoV3JAO8uzbU1GAVPMhj3usEyn X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You da man! ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman Sent: 02/20/12 08:14 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Mon Feb 20 14:03:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14324 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2012 22:03:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2012 22:03:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2012 22:03:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6075 invoked by uid 0); 20 Feb 2012 22:03:24 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.151.13 by rms-us004.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:03:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20120220220321.227400@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: fqYwb7A53zOlOgRR5nAhOBl+IGRvb4BG X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=Ix0hR9xpV3Q_6-ETKuo8IAV85ue3ivgGDNjau5P-I2fPm__xGj-R X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, your right. Cops can only do so much when more & more are cut with the swing of the buget axe. We all have to get more involved with helping our neighbors & communities. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert P Chrysafis Sent: 02/20/12 09:55 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cozy659@yahoo.com Mon Feb 20 16:49:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: cozy659@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5207 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 00:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 00:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.209) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 00:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 00:49:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.4] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 00:49:52 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 00:49:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 719596.18826.bm@omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 3454 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2012 00:49:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: z83LvwMVM1nxEwiLDqGeVSqzMavS99o45XLTUrV0RPZ5z0B NFjS_u8pNgVafz4FRQBH5wXUcJMwd4EdjcMSDAzWp4agdp6PSNgJjjoIIzEI Ng3h68ZDBiHVTGpOYlzMZ0DiWd3dOUMJ3OQ57Jcjbvmn6YNNXDps6_DIoGl5 dXw3ptKBxYaFIguXwXGisOyGWGR4VBiZxCNdKK3Epd2xyj0cGlBhaNCt0W.r zKd0aHcItHNWMaHSC4IrTvLLVTLnUtuRiAQOCRApC5AF.RRO605ZplDfNg8Y 5ibTvaxGZyCkwbXkheD78b7wm6JjtObxsTYLg.X9otXuyw8enmr7F9zCaARw F.HEEVjsovJHPqkRejHXPXB6V9OKaVZvCne.wlZI8utBzaQ6xpBfJ3ZIrp9p 0PZAbIcDpZna2xyvBjgnrY74LB_DgcGWPGS2CWJ.0lAHKeokW4n4W7BFCfbx ZPyNmZLDTArfsBPbxGJjRrg-- X-Received: from [71.187.78.157] by web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:49:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1329785391.3413.YahooMailClassic@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:49:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20120220215812.227420@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=1lHv2SotcpKiIo8EzzGKu0beZxtJWDxfgsaWTc_nvh3qQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WHWH went back to Full C-quam Mode this afternoon. now I will have to actually put on some headphones and balance out the image. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Feb 20 17:11:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99319 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 01:11:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 01:11:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 01:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1L1AwUo013103 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:10:58 -0500 X-Received: from core-mge003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2783BE000088 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:10:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1af6f.27b91950.3c744922@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:10:58 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:352876448:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b4f42ef220474 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: WHWH Back On CQuam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=u6VUB9IH2Y-zWExwfzo-MqhQdQ-SoBNkjEK2_UEMDotjF2mLok2a X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Congratulations on turning your CQuam back on! I hope there may be someone in this group who can give us an aircheck on a good CQuam receiver. I am curious what receiver do you have to listen to WHWH in AM Stereo? 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/20/2012 7:49:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cozy659@yahoo.com writes: WHWH went back to Full C-quam Mode this afternoon. now I will have to actually put on some headphones and balance out the image. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=S0u2FIokYWhghEGPSxbnxRimBAs5-d8MDcoUcMnnVg5JDKfjEWFI8NlnpibEC4J0FfS2ieFa X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Cool!!! More the better!!!! I miss AM STEREO alot!!! Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? WHWH went back to Full C-quam Mode this afternoon. now I will have to actually put on some headphones and balance out the image. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Mon Feb 20 18:28:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24742 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 02:28:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 02:28:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.213) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 02:28:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 02:28:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.112] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 02:28:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 02:28:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 849423.93959.bm@omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 37342 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2012 02:28:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rCf7gO8VM1kgyRWZ4qexWO817ft5zKtFWvcrNHY0orRtI27 erLqi0L91KtdPw366AS0WuTX4n7rWS5ywmLOmLncBhFf_Kc7IKi2IjqptoPX fwPLMSkgsW2bgUQcStSv8FJeu3E.377b87sj3vfm.Hd13u7.vjd1LAu8vtTp j16yAAcrl2SirTvOVA2B97wDHGIS0tdJFpZ80Kd7FKNoZBPOaZ3rrt.gwMcZ czHXZBYDfy6iI1mcXFhcp9ddP4NyYO2cWSx1aNGXljAZOoJ0lQNvLeYb6Clc ja6jclc4S0.xaZE7TpDhCy_wj.Q9jD3qtP0hkcqUHxXYwVKJWU2STU6x2Inw kfdYCBx8g.jj63oaD7Rkd3i8UGLOGyNL0z8AtloYhLnjs6vHRAtbXcvw2vJL sRIkV31qAoJYWLFSTJvoTbTUdQFdLMZ0V8v62YpJMEWk7AhXlCPEa8DP1UqZ Rt4vKbiAGdqOJZwrIu8gh992k3cjlA.6_198z02N9ueWRYI6kXVvvo_q1wFr GLaVnPQyzaPGiRoZHIQhU7QHVhGEvwOCdDD5K2VeXcKeHSSdy2QqIzE4sudT gBIJ6dwQg.hO8Cr_fXqWziVEjZulintu1QGiELrpTJq06hp3KNeZ_JEjLqPs zRKAYz3_p_tP0KbPod8JmQcqwOyy_xYnyRSvbkDHLTRpazt34ukTxW66xW8o HVVOjWkzcbR.UFFL82OCQL9Z8EC4bnMRhaKToteZb.xUERq71LpvfE4H1wEg kcJE61vgTaL9G0uObNvxd3TgLRaY2fBmeOKBcH_0x4Yx7_cNYBbPnyfVh9mw m9wMPgWuErLborfH6dqp54sc_k4Zv.sVYJ8kMzMnik.y.3hIvsCRZag1a2o7 nw7rswpPpQVYoj5tT6CLf6znkEcPmqQUfJSJ..GsRDgLhKbM0QR0.lZlytQY - X-Received: from [184.19.41.190] by web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:28:09 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <05F9344D-0913-4946-8002-292B77B0725B@gmail.com> <4F4029D2.3090105@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1329791289.34122.YahooMailNeo@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:28:09 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <4F4029D2.3090105@usfamily.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Reply-To: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=qzb3-EUip-K_jkBHRxPpE0E0WflR0jMdW4tj4kSSzMd0hAybZzhV X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please do not forget that Motorola also had negative modulation limits...an= d even more so since they could not let the stereo modulation go over -70 %= without running the arctangent portion of the stereo decoder out of its ra= nge.=A0 That is, Magnavox would allow -95%, + "as much as you want" envelop= e modulation with full stereo (such as a momentary left or right audio sign= al) or full mono, while motorola only allowed -70%, + "whatever" envelope m= odulation with full stereo.=A0 However, Motorola had a great center channel= (mono!) system for=A0 A M Stereo.=A0 Their claim was that there was little= stereo content in music, and thus you did not need a robust stereo capabil= ity. =A0 Perhaps it is minor, but I found that it was much much easier to get a spec= ific level of transmitter performance with the Magnavox system as compared = to the same performance on the same transmitter type for the=A0Motorola sys= tem. =A0 The audible "pops" were present in the early Magnavox decoders, but later d= ecoders did not have the "pop" issue.=A0 The reason is that the Magnavox sy= stem was designed to allow both non-synchronous decoding (for the capacitor= tuned radios of the day) as well as for full synchronous decoding (such as= with a synthesized radio tuner and a phase locked loop) for decoding.=A0 M= otorola could not easily handle the capacitor tuned radio, and always requi= red a synchronous decoding process. When you gave up the non-synchronous de= coding for Magnavox you could move away from the "pop" issue. =A0 Bob Streeter =20 ________________________________ From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Platform Motion =20=20 On 2/18/2012 1:42 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Jota wrote: > >=A0 > Just let me dream with a full perfect AM STEREO world!!! > > That Dream was called "Magnavox AM Stereo"! > > No doubt it sounds good, but its chief drawback was you had to limit=20 negative modulation to less than 95% to keep from getting audible pops=20 on the decoder.=A0 That's why so few stations ever went with it. Scott ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Mon Feb 20 18:35:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54791 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 02:35:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 02:35:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.158) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 02:35:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 02:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.97] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 02:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 02:35:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 475085.85819.bm@omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 33897 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2012 02:35:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5zPqS0YVM1l5F4lVXtq0ekxKeuiy9hE1D5Y1DF7p.AROgET WEfSDJbICsIdVzr1r6zHhl1LS0nSD69sSzBOeVJhmPo8Zj.liOHCqu0rWZIL JVMoSOopY5ALfpOLuOcoz8e..ecJ86oz4wS6gzgRi1ARxQNares9B2.35n0e lXUmBOYA9NRaTqtPuPZOsX0Hw7Qb9GEFGnw7qujwJavUCbY8rnCN2WvWBNno _jspzgC4AlqkJxFrjjRPJZ9qbJKxFJ8wE6PdCTlLPLLXbi.MidB5eJto0mUn 1zGNQAvaXNzvHP125jld7K8A4O5sjTa4axReS5pjO0lbupZhiQjukZndbw2f PGn0DLRZjJNl0evWDjwbFFnbwF6hwvRTmFjvhkwdgxxxdqxhrjrrf5k9U89y bHzssgLnW329ftb3U949YAg1M6SZj.1T25Rf92fz.tfVw89q9jXTJZYo8bDk T0Oi40sqWuGTqN5oLs5jUL3dxTwwW1r4sJ95aoVe7zr9K.P8fcQ.lETwqr8q WWX2H5qhP8thX7auKwTjFvBZ80xo7mV7GYIg4OeiEN8qHnsBKfLT4ablJgJj moh3Op.SlLO8Dl6Zh9l3CianKGl.SXwz8Kf3jKiNeXKXXDSXNG0nCqlqBz71 ioaLPzXhSi9akStTh7vhPVGWOf7QJCCVPv15AZCn3nW6UnzOymD7Beqqb_v0 wbM9YbsmJUH6GpZBh4lSaqeJW_d6nnOOmUQambxB_Sko4J0Dl.F3ISe0CKRR CiJM2VE455LQRYGZo3SLDksLy4Sqxw4OfT3ml_beawhv4_9ZxUSJOhvM3OH9 ljs9DU3w0iEYtscndOUTFsDoBT_3nBblxWPk5Ay2d6NAhDtzzvv6r3cOajP. bm84L5aGkERpYu7MM34rbq60CCbqQH4wZkqr5GSuao2xkeJfB7FGB0_Ftdys - X-Received: from [184.19.41.190] by web84002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:35:18 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <4406.43ee6ef8.3c714699@aol.com> Message-ID: <1329791718.33278.YahooMailNeo@web84002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:35:18 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <4406.43ee6ef8.3c714699@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Reply-To: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=LyjPSUshYlP8mrSOLbzLdkepVKNCsQ6fQAvDRJrxxvX-xK-0tzbJ X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one or the = other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping across t= he station RF signal.=A0It was a clear channel skywave propagation issue.= =A0 No interference was needed!=A0 There are many other issues that can als= o cause decoder confusion. =A0 Bob Streeter =20 ________________________________ From: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion =20=20 Hi All, One thing I have been noticing over=A0 the years regarding platform motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be=A0 several carriers on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is=A0 most noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you are=A0 listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and the= re is=A0 another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred miles or=A0 so. When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that=A0=20 interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a=A0=20 carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will even=A0 mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder to turn=A0 on. The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for=A0 AM stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be=A0 within +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to=A0 hear carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This=A0 sounds like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. If=A0 the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if=20 every station=A0 was exactly on-channel there would be little or no platfor= m motion. Getting=A0 exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days with GPS disciplined=A0 oscillators. I set one up myself at home for about $150 using surplus=A0 components that gives me nearly the accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many=A0 newer solid state broadcast=20 transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and=A0 provision to add a=20 GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel=A0 without too big=A0 an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to=A0 cleaning up the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people=A0 hear nowadays on almost every channel. 73 - Todd WD4NGG=A0=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20 18:55:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22765 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 02:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 02:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.58) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 02:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 02:55:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 02:55:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 02:55:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:55:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1329791718.33278.YahooMailNeo@web84002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.22.191.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.191.121 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=9GCbFmuittzeBGtrjQ9r-Y-nH_v2DAuJyuN_jCmBXWkjzZbt3MG7HrhVDS3wnWeRvWzYgzKf X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Bob I am no engineer or exspert on this stuff but i have listened to the= new MC13028 C-QuAM AM STEREO decoder and there was no platform motion at a= ll. The new chips worked alot better then the older MC13020 chip. I wishe= d that MC13028 was around when stations where still TXing 15 khz. I do miss= AM STEREO alot. Jim Smith Loomis Ca --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert Streeter wr= ote: > > The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one or th= e other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping across= the station RF signal.=A0It was a clear channel skywave propagation issue.= =A0 No interference was needed!=A0 There are many other issues that can als= o cause decoder confusion. > =A0 > Bob Streeter >=20=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: "toddroberts2001@..." > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion >=20=20=20 > Hi All, > One thing I have been noticing over=A0 the years regarding platform > motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be=A0 several carriers > on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is=A0 most > noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you > are=A0 listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and t= here > is=A0 another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred miles > or=A0 so. >=20 > When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that=A0=20 > interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a=A0=20 > carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will > even=A0 mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder > to turn=A0 on. >=20 > The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for=A0 AM > stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be=A0 within > +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to=A0 hea= r > carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This=A0 sounds > like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. >=20 > If=A0 the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if=20 > every station=A0 was exactly on-channel there would be little or no platf= orm > motion. Getting=A0 exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days > with GPS disciplined=A0 oscillators. I set one up myself at home for > about $150 using surplus=A0 components that gives me nearly the > accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many=A0 newer solid state broadcast= =20 > transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and=A0 provision to add a=20 > GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel=A0 without > too big=A0 an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to=A0 cleaning = up > the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people=A0 hear > nowadays on almost every channel. >=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG=A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20 20:13:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90284 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 04:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 04:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.252) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 04:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.83] by ng20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 04:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 04:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 04:13:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:13:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.22.191.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.191.121 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Aw3XaBw-jPInsrG0QUODu4bWbSOnCSN-wzNp3hJPHWoyG9XJya7zzY5pKVXFbdAyZGSVXjI6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I have also read that many engineers complained about the desition= FCC made on the Magnavox AM STEREO. I do beleave that Magnavox would have = fixed the problems they had with there electronics just like Motorola did w= ith the newer decoder chips for one end of it. We would have alot more AM S= TEREO music stations on the air than we do now. AM STEREO would have been m= ore wide spred faster than it was. What i wish would happen is the FCC woul= d drop AM IBOC and mandate that all AM music stations would go C-QuAM. But= i don't see that hannening. I would think a big amount of enigneers would = complain to FCC about what a POS AM IBOC is but i don't see that happening = ether. Did Magnavox AM STEREO make as much noise as IBOC dose? Bob can comf= erm this but my unedjacaided geuss would be NO!!! My two unedjacaided cents= werth. I am sorry for the rant but i am so furstaded that i went from 7 da= y AM STEREO stations and 3 night AM STEREO stations to one can berly get so= me times KJUG AM STEREO 1270 Tulary Ca. A bumd AM STEREO fan .Jim Sith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Bob I am no engineer or exspert on this stuff but i have listened to t= he new MC13028 C-QuAM AM STEREO decoder and there was no platform motion at= all. The new chips worked alot better then the older MC13020 chip. I wis= hed that MC13028 was around when stations where still TXing 15 khz. I do mi= ss AM STEREO alot. Jim Smith Loomis Ca >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert Streeter wro= te: > > > > The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one or = the other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping acro= ss the station RF signal.=A0It was a clear channel skywave propagation issu= e.=A0 No interference was needed!=A0 There are many other issues that can a= lso cause decoder confusion. > > =A0 > > Bob Streeter > >=20=20 > >=20 > > ________________________________ > > From: "toddroberts2001@" > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion > >=20=20=20 > > Hi All, > > One thing I have been noticing over=A0 the years regarding platform > > motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be=A0 several carriers > > on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is=A0 most > > noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you > > are=A0 listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and= there > > is=A0 another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred mile= s > > or=A0 so. > >=20 > > When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that=A0=20 > > interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a=A0= =20 > > carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will > > even=A0 mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder > > to turn=A0 on. > >=20 > > The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for=A0 AM > > stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be=A0 withi= n > > +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to=A0 h= ear > > carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This=A0 sounds > > like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. > >=20 > > If=A0 the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if=20 > > every station=A0 was exactly on-channel there would be little or no pla= tform > > motion. Getting=A0 exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days > > with GPS disciplined=A0 oscillators. I set one up myself at home for > > about $150 using surplus=A0 components that gives me nearly the > > accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many=A0 newer solid state broadcas= t=20 > > transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and=A0 provision to add a=20 > > GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel=A0 without > > too big=A0 an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to=A0 cleanin= g up > > the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people=A0 hear > > nowadays on almost every channel. > >=20 > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG=A0=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20 21:21:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94156 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 05:21:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 05:21:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.44) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 05:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 05:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 05:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 05:21:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 05:21:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.22.191.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.191.121 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=CZDDHtqCYfzoxBba7jVCYa75U9_WEXT_d4zGa9G9ychhs41ae7NGIr8J91IYgUKpNhFqCD6K X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi gang I have one more thing to say tonight. Happy 30th Birth Day to AM ST= EREO on the air!!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I have also read that many engineers complained about the desiti= on FCC made on the Magnavox AM STEREO. I do beleave that Magnavox would hav= e fixed the problems they had with there electronics just like Motorola did= with the newer decoder chips for one end of it. We would have alot more AM= STEREO music stations on the air than we do now. AM STEREO would have been= more wide spred faster than it was. What i wish would happen is the FCC wo= uld drop AM IBOC and mandate that all AM music stations would go C-QuAM. B= ut i don't see that hannening. I would think a big amount of enigneers woul= d complain to FCC about what a POS AM IBOC is but i don't see that happenin= g ether. Did Magnavox AM STEREO make as much noise as IBOC dose? Bob can co= mferm this but my unedjacaided geuss would be NO!!! My two unedjacaided cen= ts werth. I am sorry for the rant but i am so furstaded that i went from 7 = day AM STEREO stations and 3 night AM STEREO stations to one can berly get = some times KJUG AM STEREO 1270 Tulary Ca. A bumd AM STEREO fan .Jim Sith >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Bob I am no engineer or exspert on this stuff but i have listened to= the new MC13028 C-QuAM AM STEREO decoder and there was no platform motion = at all. The new chips worked alot better then the older MC13020 chip. I w= ished that MC13028 was around when stations where still TXing 15 khz. I do = miss AM STEREO alot. Jim Smith Loomis Ca > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert Streeter w= rote: > > > > > > The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one o= r the other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping ac= ross the station RF signal.=A0It was a clear channel skywave propagation is= sue.=A0 No interference was needed!=A0 There are many other issues that can= also cause decoder confusion. > > > =A0 > > > Bob Streeter > > >=20=20 > > >=20 > > > ________________________________ > > > From: "toddroberts2001@" > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion > > >=20=20=20 > > > Hi All, > > > One thing I have been noticing over=A0 the years regarding platform > > > motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be=A0 several carriers > > > on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is=A0 most > > > noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you > > > are=A0 listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel a= nd there > > > is=A0 another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred mi= les > > > or=A0 so. > > >=20 > > > When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that=A0=20 > > > interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a= =A0=20 > > > carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will > > > even=A0 mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder > > > to turn=A0 on. > > >=20 > > > The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for=A0 AM > > > stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be=A0 wit= hin > > > +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to=A0= hear > > > carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This=A0 sound= s > > > like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. > > >=20 > > > If=A0 the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if= =20 > > > every station=A0 was exactly on-channel there would be little or no p= latform > > > motion. Getting=A0 exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days > > > with GPS disciplined=A0 oscillators. I set one up myself at home for > > > about $150 using surplus=A0 components that gives me nearly the > > > accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many=A0 newer solid state broadc= ast=20 > > > transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and=A0 provision to add a=20 > > > GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel=A0 without > > > too big=A0 an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to=A0 clean= ing up > > > the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people=A0 hea= r > > > nowadays on almost every channel. > > >=20 > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG=A0=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ------------------------------------ > > >=20 > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20 23:05:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94492 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 07:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 07:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.213) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 07:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 07:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.102] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 07:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 07:05:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 391836.98085.bm@omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 34052 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 07:05:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: gcGBuA0VM1lvgYpv2fkiV3QOJJhdPVm061B4wGL_.fYVXwo GF3ifb9rF3T65DsoFMSQT4VW3L1PJJybjVm_3L3RpbCZ2bogdeo72Dp9ufpC yDM9VPv9VohIrNqvfLrX3qgJ6vi5SA6pS6yVEdtX4vdNcQv7eMebdaJmZdcS mZgmWfS8iOGvRLRC8sAqzlYj4PBdcUxFA2DA.bZW.pMjCf26.V7DnQmtDZg6 9OaHcVDVgcbgZnAjfyKBXkV55fPJ3cm50vsVnO1tyD16nAtlzPM9b3f_xN4y 9xS_mD_ZCrpwps4PYPyFxO0PNCC_cH6wnatRUM744arDtFOJPKoyR0xVIiLV rC63Ot6HRkz0VoPgnQ1xpNU7d05giRDFDSTE8fTt4LiqA1ZO11ePilX_Snn5 PTYauh62ozo5FUh2Rcs_imp8- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.22.191.121 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2012 23:05:06 -0800 PST Message-ID: <833DA59834DE4AE396DB4F5E80536F0A@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:05:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: KVI AM 570 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=dElDOZVO9U7fEmJKHurO_EDz0Kavdm3xQMCeLThgZ5JCMAiBm6RJgcKMtDnprvLpo8Lkj2aK X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have some desapionting news . KVI AM 570 Seattle WA is now another yaty yack station. Thay had a nice oldies format for a wile. To bad AM STEREO could made a differants if conditions where better. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keith1226@yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 00:06:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35267 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 08:06:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 08:06:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm32-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.229.53) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 08:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm32.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 08:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.240] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 08:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 08:06:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 559600.68205.bm@omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20623 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2012 08:06:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ewhqovsVM1nQfyV3L_hMHsacZlEVbH5VUigiEDEUy_xGMzw r5WKZLsQ91V2BCE9m3DYDRRYwCqi_OX2l1huWAn2ribkGnd0BdSGQv.ufYpZ 95zEHVMJpNVJlhrLARPOSB8PiJnyTi5Bf6.2g.c5_XGpv_Y6gGDG9RZ2.Aod 2bGg_uH80X7BpNBmwFjOD_usf2BhQU0yX1junWud2xOYeDJLB9X5a2XJN7dJ EK8TMF5I2J.4sCnGGWB11aaKzOocSAyJJEy_TLoTagWuXXHu_.ZIr_Jvru_u D0.0eo1lS1CEnW386Y5a.m2QKeiD.s78tWM6bBy7UivFgsbCkEbuk0rHFkDo LVnNkmVbsUjKxmujGb6jsNtTXNwtRcwJbbvLJLApWk1qneQJfSuag7Q1gUPk .414jk6..BKCrn_dSDZ8nxzkxqwM3tOPKjEGUwnplWUiM17fHYGx0CKANoZQ tL.PR5pcEqHB2Gh4iLUgF_iyru4hQdaZ7Q_7rS65sMlI4CBlzn2yJsSRKYbb ixZUwy4movE0M.01bOWVnaH6UMkob9bEN6DGLImiTpQ_e_2hHPbeAjrxlmLP NZRsuNJbMSv4nWVlkernRfG_WhGicIf.4zRUwhnUA7N0UctlySsBer6KSVL2 QP7eiqKKcV1aWY1BQfABDYNcce5Hv5xSDYJ9HSxlWwXjdbl7BNJdmm2Fi4lr NNkT7c8F_md9EYD8Ju3kPxS4geeCo_.ui9ZoZhUjcLK_xa3V2pdVfShBZ172 FR5_31OIJ02mjUbF5NgKnqLkymA.fjG2anjadGJFIp9eOd3Z5.Rz1Ft_3TeU RI6s8bBJQlRx9GqCU2FJusXk.y.NjSIp4BgIOJJ9WFW5s8bFlhFCxBnvROZ4 Roi8f4W3nGcrYNg6.1VPhTirsxxCC0pvNWXY7 X-Received: from [67.183.112.24] by web112303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:06:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <833DA59834DE4AE396DB4F5E80536F0A@jim3slp85ju21o> Message-ID: <1329811606.20449.YahooMailNeo@web112303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:06:46 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <833DA59834DE4AE396DB4F5E80536F0A@jim3slp85ju21o> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith beesley Subject: Re: {AMSF} KVI AM 570 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=sXUP7zuAtuzEEW1iGOHkJ6Ta1RMVFwIbK4QW4LCf7JCrx9JD X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim,=20 Can you hear KVI from where you are? Yeah, they flipped back to talk on 1/1= /12, after a yearlong experiment as an oldies music station.=20 We are lucky in the Seattle area to still have KIXI 880 playing adult stand= ards, 1210,1360 and 1540 playing a lot of nice Spanish-language music, and = the "Z Twins" (originally a two-station group, now three) on 1420, 1560 and= 1620 playing a lot of classic r'n'b and soul. No AM stereo as far as I kno= w.=20 Keith B. in Seattle ________________________________ From: jim smith To: am stereo forum =20 Cc: jim smith =20 Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} KVI AM 570 =20 Hi Gang I have some desapionting news . KVI AM 570=A0 Seattle WA is now ano= ther yaty yack station. Thay had a nice oldies format for a wile. To bad AM= STEREO could made a differants if conditions where better. 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 21 01:06:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1124 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 09:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 09:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.188) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 09:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 09:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 09:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 09:06:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 320357.16913.bm@omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 58219 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 09:06:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 9myyULoVM1mZ944c6jgE17_sJslOsQReKXlR0xnvP5uaIGm JtmVQKowrKE3Db8ep0dCJym7aiY3Gjv6gyOjihpISuwyPhgbAP.n9JHyxmRs pJPU64QL5iQly1nFtvTksLG4mOzVWlgVaeyRuTZpmQnaYhuVZMfjxPTCSFxZ mseD_T2sO..weMTkTW3YYf0BzeqOnzmxgEWFTJVsq0igY2gz_zO.rXuyHdOl DgvCSlDFucfiWqpNo8TpAw.JNEV_Rm7dESuHHcjnKBP2nK83fsdKzv5dCudo pvtrC0fY.NyoVwYb5M9cHqtsYqliRc.ZghBELRv8mwjWMd7VvdXyKaf2PZoe CYnu6DGN8UTg3TsyK0zsulb5qaEcUMrTDOmOHFJ7IbCbUVgZOfdcuGj3DsNe 9B0vLlrCsn4rXx.OiFaQnUeOmAvsqhkZ7qyf4fJdBgIY0i7DN_.i6nfegPZq BKqFegm.6o1W3zM7jp5vSnnH2wt9NEidistwXoAVWMWMBigdtnd26QNzcNNt jckVRELcopJVDY357LCUa9FnkxUJcDMUY5otMjrTF5dckd1kxNuWSrgLKHo3 b2M66ENK.TPwhydHcPPFZUtsLKOkigojxHxYDIxt_BnnaF4Zbk0Cxw.IwG__ vWaYgHIOsd9kxXCbpG0vxA6kJHAsnDcD_76t5ALLTnNer4UN8zuNeLbagwUv l544Cwcj.C7kffbeFUVQuE13Yw4kZqIw7FpoYVLeJ3MNGQzsr4ARmOFiEmEu j5GSewEEJ47ODZyJriLERXUok1lILRM3M5pIQXcikFOLdzqR0jNCKsWlgjh6 aWTRbxgi4TKcXos0QV.Ll.gPR6LkZwHL90DZyZ_X0MWG8ZJbht024TZINrFq Q0iTRmJxGK6J4dzL7l8Jx4DwhxpN.aBA15HznoHMjmhJ5vA0Hx_t5Tbtmtq_ cK9in6mq6LxD_GYsOCqAXj4pfXrNsl7vUbdMbQqxGxCy__Nyo5n7voHsI0qN 08.Ooj1is7PM4JiBCPl7r6XaVnH8woRf9Vrt.95mtBuDzlP2720.YM7dIxS3 sjhKs6UTxWf9dtPbiuqiiH8lVEJz.zrQZO7XQh._dyP09eqSRYEP2T2X3B.Z apUTpCK0WQ4bK.UUrZ0WF0m5xic1oGA6FYRWDacdQyhSlSIDHSp2Jg5IR.Ab dxGnbZApSjK.eOTKOFeSj6QPgOk1yBGPj0skUgpHjbnlmTpOfDpxSamo6gG. aPP6v7XFdw8lMknntCqYlCxxA4bmqIs0RjDG0QqFX0p2SvmiWI4W.q2PfKos eiYh9NHZtNhmset_kpGVt7KxsgUYkZwx1_Xw0zkoWFjC9igseUW_BbrZ4Aj6 b0oIK8nd1ZjIJjNDPOlBAa1yUPg3ZqcGRacyb_RBwiWawRV1.wfDPgAm3Vcl jyEUX4Ii8iPf2wiL8Gq.te4PmPupLRML8NA6ZtzV_vdTH9yeH7e5u11T4PiF Mg37LrFhkvFhClSCamQ1lIHuKBJtamdRC0COMB3zhKdzmRDA_P45MVxGsUBP YykRY0jY3O_NVyrfNFuJ_IGUPzJXMLuZpVxtfyfgr9gJFjrMTvGzSMOof39S RPyrrUe7yEe7vBmchOvFl4q87l1HQ9s7MkwoFydV7uJE0ai3uYuduP70Uxqf PWhQ8tOTVIV84nzyEUGp3FK3C9cAaW7peuvA0C5QUlDVJxN3q4QjtCrind_e .Gd032TyrFOoQE9OGBUjreP69K5b5ep8jKUIgVX7NkYFo9svaFRqTOHn238t XW8VLAFR7zELpJVbcxMhVeeEMw6b7tR8oS0zlykdKNcRNiwYgw.GyA4.ftew vmCM89dT4HpJq2hfgyMgDcTjVTsEzKZXVpbDp3SKRl1AtAnqKEvljESfmnLQ zSEcavn1xm468J9I2zDXK69dBBq3._mcfHQeSKOLFkcWjZuekH6wRiBg86Py 4IUjoEMk7hTPtOzvog.5YuzVY3V3g1X9GWAWkwhe1xpC7liJPOhRXNRiQtw7 15Q-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.22.191.121 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 01:06:01 -0800 PST Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <833DA59834DE4AE396DB4F5E80536F0A@jim3slp85ju21o> <1329811606.20449.YahooMailNeo@web112303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:06:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KVI AM 570 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=62rmw67N78yUqx7MMNHcghSh0ueq5QQriUHLgac7L2pWfCuIyIEfbzbV8_6vYvrjC5M4PUV- X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Keth No I can't get KVI AM 570 .But i do and have for many years get KOMO AM 1000 very strong here neer Sacraneto Ca. Thay use to be a music station back in the 80.'s. All i can say is you need to inform those stations that there are many AM STEREO resorse on the net all you need to tell them that thay can Google AM STEREO and to tell there listeners. Some new HD RADIOS also pick up C-QuAM like the Sangean HDT 1and HDT X1.Hows the AM HD noise up in your neck of the woods? I don't like AM HD as much as i do AM STEREO and i have a Auvio HD RADIO. Very trired. Got To Go. Good night Keth Jim Smith Loomis Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: keith beesley To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:06 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KVI AM 570 Hi Jim, Can you hear KVI from where you are? Yeah, they flipped back to talk on 1/1/12, after a yearlong experiment as an oldies music station. We are lucky in the Seattle area to still have KIXI 880 playing adult standards, 1210,1360 and 1540 playing a lot of nice Spanish-language music, and the "Z Twins" (originally a two-station group, now three) on 1420, 1560 and 1620 playing a lot of classic r'n'b and soul. No AM stereo as far as I know. Keith B. in Seattle ________________________________ From: jim smith To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} KVI AM 570 Hi Gang I have some desapionting news . KVI AM 570 Seattle WA is now another yaty yack station. Thay had a nice oldies format for a wile. To bad AM STEREO could made a differants if conditions where better. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 05:53:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14107 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 13:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 13:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 13:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 13:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 13:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 13:53:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:53:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1329785391.3413.YahooMailClassic@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=VA4Tr7gxzi0B7vAAot9TTJDbXOZcqDMMQv3gcOmZxA6VbSBEmwElGwg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Thanks Neal! Have you tried any of the HD radios to see if you can decode = the CQuam on it? The Sangean HD-1X version does for sure, but not sure whic= h others do by design or by accident decode CQuam? John=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > > WHWH went back to Full C-quam Mode this afternoon. now I will have to act= ually put on some headphones and balance out the image. >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 05:59:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40791 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 13:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 13:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.18) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 13:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 13:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 13:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 13:59:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:59:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1329811606.20449.YahooMailNeo@web112303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Toyota CQUAM Radio for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=osq8E6ghW0ARkgKKYfrMiUEns_nFAK-SN70lloCERTgtUW4ik-aVD-c X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Have a small (half DIN) sized Toyota car radio with an "AM Stereo" button, = if someone has an older Toyota that needs CQuam capability? Still trying to thin-down my radio collection that I've bought from Hamfest= s thru the years, so if you're looking for a CQuam radio, let me know. Sol= d the Pontiac UX-1, but still have one UX-1 with 'dinged-up' EQ levers for = a discounted price. 73 John From cozy659@yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 14:35:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: cozy659@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1375 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 22:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 22:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm34-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.229.82) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 22:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 22:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.175] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 22:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2012 22:35:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 783666.84975.bm@omp1031.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 38947 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2012 22:35:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S0a8tbYVM1k24UzoxPA054Oa4yV42xJZv.elhJEHpE.Z7BG MidrAZM0lwZDht0KjBelRSwGhO7h4DTez5OGC1HGe7ZlPhCxcZOeULg3pmp6 6kce2gB5gCd7ryjehP.c.e1r9xP89JWmzZ1eoIzkjdZMO3.VeSqwWS3_G0f1 KkkH2_1xUCWBbPzIQUSIqb3Idpc7nL6Fqe.uRRuDzRG_G1ZG8WmfiqIv6IWS gc4mBoTC2Tqq5gvx2bNG.7SbcnUO77_pkR1bWy7dYVm85WFmROYg1NaTAPZh WD.7.YOxByhwti3NG3E8CHQDhVk7uy9UGvs02stpmH8lGn6ni6Nrsr8CrZdX _ek25j3w7EifhI15Cc_WoYimQdDVFYC_mS25vtSA70wlBzPPgn4v37zOfL3E iLqWqeO4titIs1IogutWa.pP7CUys7VqwxbRSWrBCWReLGzoNWd2AWquaZFF dPIbKHa7_Pf7V0NzGhcsUI9MHVMQS5mi5x.DKsRs94lN8fnWtIygYsdwwjKQ W9ixKHblMkSksa3Iq9iMLrzFuD3.3bx6hV6xhi1JLFNZWGxJl4lIt88tTwnd Opf45i3X9TdFY6rlVJIMuAnTfcKIlG.GNyLQmAEAMD6qYunQ9jNSBe.Qa_gm qseO6OcW6.K__SyIsHBrCi1tN5hVSJCNoWv2JSbTASoKTG_EHKaf0TKQEIhE g2ytilvh5uvaTySdHxaSikRamj.dqBzWFv3M7TZmMAxtF1WWg83QMMOkEY_d BFpCzBOVQo2T8avPLutu7diDlKeyZq_wJJ4uar7277XHXRWQq5gElgujmF0p jIHbyCk_09exZb5gERW90WU8NVZae3lDSQUd5gw7pHzMt3nPRfi35epv0oOL 35QTgcWL1WENOT9G36EUEo1LAe7lysFZkHRFg1dlqLFKHaqzTtdMR9DGD X-Received: from [71.187.78.157] by web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:35:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1329863755.37662.YahooMailClassic@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:35:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1af6f.27b91950.3c744922@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WHWH Back On CQuam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=ws9GZ2CR0iUK7LC29TcFCpTXCfVCS-_5Cm_d135yt-132Q X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have the Carver Tx11b =C2=A0I think its the "B" It does decode the Am ste= reo pilot.Just that the =C2=A0Crown amp For the speakers crapped out on me.= I just have to bring down a Crown-D45 amp I have here at the house. so I c= an Hear=E2=80=A6=C2=A0Neal --- On Mon, 2/20/12, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrot= e: From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WHWH Back On CQuam To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 20, 2012, 8:10 PM Congratulations on turning your CQuam back on! I hope there may be someone= =20 in this group who can give us an aircheck on a good CQuam receiver. I=C2=A0= am curious what receiver do you have to listen to WHWH in AM Stereo? =20 73 - Todd WD4NGG =20 =20 In a message dated 2/20/2012 7:49:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=C2=A0=20 cozy659@yahoo.com writes: WHWH went back to Full C-quam Mode this afternoon. now I will have to=C2=A0= =20 actually put on some headphones and balance out the image. =20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Feb 21 15:26:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42488 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2012 23:26:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2012 23:26:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 23:26:30 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1LNQRJa027222 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:26:27 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgb001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.1]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 93583E000081 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:26:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:26:27 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470540128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e4f44282303c6 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WHWH Back On CQuam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=lLfpamoDYduS8nZ6jlUQlHByhIivHovC9FFwoPkRwt-692-lSaMB X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Sounds great on having a Carver TX-11b FM/AM Stereo tuner at home. It=20=20 should give=20 awesome AM Stereo sound on a good strong local signal. I read the TX-11b A= M frequency response goes to 15KHz in the wide setting. Good luck on all! 73 - Todd WD4NGG =20 =20 In a message dated 2/21/2012 5:36:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20=20 cozy659@yahoo.com writes: I have the Carver Tx11b I think its the "B" It does decode the Am stereo= =20 pilot.Just that the Crown amp For the speakers crapped out on me. I just= =20 have to bring down a Crown-D45 amp I have here at the house. so I can Hear= =E2=80=A6=20=20 Neal =20 From boogie350@yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 16:33:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90364 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2012 00:33:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2012 00:33:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.52.216) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2012 00:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm19.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2012 00:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.132] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2012 00:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2012 00:33:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 106012.43805.bm@omp1015.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 89420 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2012 00:33:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: r9HhSakVM1m7G57WwGXAVSMJ0F101EEAozUptOKQlkU0gGz ZJMe5yOO3coJA2h_wIq5VByQuj2CjR31.5a8z3PiN5uRk8jHR9Z2Tw5STSiN TJUcUOa1dhMtFY786gH38Ju_iAHO5Mylmwil1DFdKjjCQT3ihm5I2_z03dSX J8JF064yHfzF6HQRIpavWzJu8POf1oKpZY6qceBDBOwFVz6xdqvFgOUSqU5i rz1gaYo9lf9wD.WTT0fHm0.9DEmCzL1XH18G3BnJ1zlbNlwtctDQZ1hzihyv neXkPUy1n6zegLJkirR_lgOIEcN28G9EVrAf9VJ6XDXHi9hdmyXb_hsX8xD1 KZdPeSMHNW58am1XWDC8y5F8ShPrwnIMNlAtNTfXUytL5saQ4pybkfVM51TU DZL9ww_c0q4nHlOjYCE_QnyT23HE8gZxbhq1n6zT9hv9OL9MdSNcwJSTKyML TfXZs8KLZny5R6xDGbE53caMbBHSTMGpYeuNa0frv6zv5dn73wH.BXk42H7R sMwfl0BaV18IBE2G0iOob_Fwlg_S84DUH_VEnP78d_8GHcS_RQRZ4pigakMY 9X_NGVUQ5i.WeoHVh3trq5kxQf5XuDK0ij0bFuhHucB8HWwDnBRAp6nNjKx0 8SGoM2F6lMeJB1FHHqr7wWueKFaJB.94Z9UWgXqA- X-Received: from [24.11.71.48] by web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:33:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <1329813135.2886.22776.m3@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <1329870804.64336.YahooMailNeo@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:33:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1329813135.2886.22776.m3@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.52.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Reply-To: Boogie350 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 3730 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=8Ws1bgf1NYlqYoEqDWw028TD1lL0-SzkhBOL7E5n3MA6-APn X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I were to give an educated guess based on my conversations with AM engin= eers and managers, I'd say that around 98% of them DESPISE IBOC on AM (and = several aren't particularly "giddy" about it on FM, either FTM).=20 I'd so love to see the FCC pull the plug on IBOC... they've GOT to understa= nd it's pure crap at this point, so there almost appears to be a motive at = the FCC to simply destroy the AM band with interference of all kinds, wheth= er IBOC, inverters, CFL lighting, switching supplies, etc.=20 =A0Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter h= ogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good= thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let = me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. ________________________________ From: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:32 AM Subject: {AMSF} Digest Number 3730 =20 The AM STEREO Forum=20 The AM STEREO Forum=20=20 Messages In This Digest (17 Messages)=20=20 =20 1a.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Neal Newman=20 1b.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Robert P Chrysafis=20 1c.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Robert P Chrysafis=20 1d.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Kevin Raper=20 1e.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Kevin Raper=20 1f.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Joseph Rouse=20 1g.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Joseph Rouse=20 1h.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Neal Newman=20 1i.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: jim smith=20 2.=20 Re: WHWH Back On CQuam From: toddroberts2001@aol.com=20 3a.=20 Re: Platform Motion From: Robert Streeter=20 3b.=20 Re: Platform Motion From: Robert Streeter=20 3c.=20 Re: Platform Motion From: jim smith=20 3d.=20 Re: Platform Motion From: jim smith=20 3e.=20 Re: Platform Motion From: jim smith=20 4a.=20 KVI AM=A0 570 From: jim smith=20 4b.=20 Re: KVI AM=A0 570 From: keith beesley View All Topics | Create New Topic = Messages=20=20 1a.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ?=20=20 Posted by: "Neal Newman" cozy659@yahoo.com =A0 cozy659=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 5:21=A0am (PST)=20 In 2006 the transmitter site was vandalized . I had the station running at = 1.25 kw non-D mode under an STA. after I got the day pattern fixed. It want= back to 5kw day and 2kw night in day pattern while I repaired the night pa= ttern. Finally fixed the night pattern when the site owners had a inspection crew = come in and they accidental cut the feeds to a night tower. So it's been ru= nning in this mode since under an STA. Now I finally got the night pattern fixed again. So it's now back to Normal= . 5 kw 24/7 Switching patterns. The transmitter is a BE AM-6a with a C-Quam card. I just need to balance the left and right from the studios, before I turn t= he stereo back on. Right now I have it mono'd. Neal Sent from my iPad On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > Hi Gang, >=20 > Neal, what kind of power is WHWH running now? I thought they were license= d for 5kw, but I think I heard they were outputting 1.25kw. This was a whil= e ago, when WBCB programming was being carried. >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neal Newman > Sent: 02/19/12 12:15 AM > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (21)=20 1b.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ?=20=20 Posted by: "Robert P Chrysafis" kc8gpd@hotmail.com =A0 kc8gpd=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 5:26=A0am (PST)=20 sometimes i swear neal stations need to go back to having armed onsite=20 engineers who live at the tx site like they did in the old days. after a fe= w=20 crack heads go out of a few tx sites horizontal from lead poisoning word=20 will spread fast and they will find less riskier places to steal their=20 copper from. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Neal Newman" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:14 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? > In 2006 the transmitter site was vandalized . I had the station running a= t=20 > 1.25 kw non-D mode under an STA. after I got the day pattern fixed. It=20 > want back to 5kw day and 2kw night in day pattern while I repaired the=20 > night pattern. > Finally fixed the night pattern when the site owners had a inspection cre= w=20 > come in and they accidental cut the feeds to a night tower. So it's been= =20 > running in this mode since under an STA. > Now I finally got the night pattern fixed again. So it's now back to=20 > Normal. 5 kw 24/7 > Switching patterns. > The transmitter is a BE AM-6a with a C-Quam card. > I just need to balance the left and right from the studios, before I turn= =20 > the stereo back on. > Right now I have it mono'd. > Neal > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > >> Hi Gang, >> >> Neal, what kind of power is WHWH running now? I thought they were=20 >> licensed for 5kw, but I think I heard they were outputting 1.25kw. This= =20 >> was a while ago, when WBCB programming was being carried. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Neal Newman >> Sent: 02/19/12 12:15 AM >> To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >> >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > >=20 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (21)=20 1c.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ?=20=20 Posted by: "Robert P Chrysafis" kc8gpd@hotmail.com =A0 kc8gpd=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 6:55=A0am (PST)=20 i know it sounds horrible but law enforcement seems powerless to do anythin= g=20 anymore and the hard core criminals have more rights than the victims. we=20 need to protect our own property, homes and families these days. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Robert P Chrysafis" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:26 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? > sometimes i swear neal stations need to go back to having armed onsite > engineers who live at the tx site like they did in the old days. after a= =20 > few > crack heads go out of a few tx sites horizontal from lead poisoning word > will spread fast and they will find less riskier places to steal their > copper from. > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Neal Newman" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:14 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? > > >> In 2006 the transmitter site was vandalized . I had the station running= =20 >> at >> 1.25 kw non-D mode under an STA. after I got the day pattern fixed. It >> want back to 5kw day and 2kw night in day pattern while I repaired the >> night pattern. >> Finally fixed the night pattern when the site owners had a inspection=20 >> crew >> come in and they accidental cut the feeds to a night tower. So it's been >> running in this mode since under an STA. >> Now I finally got the night pattern fixed again. So it's now back to >> Normal. 5 kw 24/7 >> Switching patterns. >> The transmitter is a BE AM-6a with a C-Quam card. >> I just need to balance the left and right from the studios, before I tur= n >> the stereo back on. >> Right now I have it mono'd. >> Neal >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: >> >>> Hi Gang, >>> >>> Neal, what kind of power is WHWH running now? I thought they were >>> licensed for 5kw, but I think I heard they were outputting 1.25kw. This >>> was a while ago, when WBCB programming was being carried. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Neal Newman >>> Sent: 02/19/12 12:15 AM >>> To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >>> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >>> >>> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >> >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > >=20 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (21)=20 1d.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ?=20=20 Posted by: "Kevin Raper" kj4hyd@gmail.com =A0 ICURAPossum_Hunter2 = =20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 7:07=A0am (PST)=20 On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > sometimes i swear neal stations need to go back to having armed onsite=20 > engineers who live at the tx site like they did in the old days. I am willing to do that, IF they provide room for my Wife and Family too. > after a few=20 > crack heads go out of a few tx sites horizontal from lead poisoning word= =20 > will spread fast and they will find less riskier places to steal their=20 > copper from. Yup, if I catch one, I will put a .38 Slug in 'em before I ever call the La= w. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (21)=20 1e.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ?=20=20 Posted by: "Kevin Raper" kj4hyd@gmail.com =A0 ICURAPossum_Hunter2 = =20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 7:10=A0am (PST)=20 On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > i know it sounds horrible but law enforcement seems powerless to do anyth= ing=20 > anymore and the hard core criminals have more rights than the victims. we= =20 > need to protect our own property, homes and families these days. For Home Defense, I have a Remington 870 12 Gauge that is loaded with alter= nating rounds of Buck Shot and Slugs. If somebody breaks in on us, I am gonna turn them into Hamburger Meat. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (21)=20 1f.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ?=20=20 Posted by: "Joseph Rouse" jmrouse@mail.com =A0 radioguy50c5=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 1:58=A0pm (PST)=20 You da man! ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman Sent: 02/20/12 08:14 AM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (21)=20 1g.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ?=20=20 Posted by: "Joseph Rouse" jmrouse@mail.com =A0 radioguy50c5=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 2:03=A0pm (PST)=20 Yep, your right. Cops can only do so much when more & more are cut with the= swing of the buget axe. We all have to get more involved with helping our = neighbors & communities. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert P Chrysafis Sent: 02/20/12 09:55 AM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (21)=20 1h.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ?=20=20 Posted by: "Neal Newman" cozy659@yahoo.com =A0 cozy659=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 4:49=A0pm (PST)=20 WHWH went back to Full C-quam Mode this afternoon. now I will have to actua= lly put on some headphones and balance out the image. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (21)=20 1i.=20 Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ?=20=20 Posted by: "jim smith" jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net =A0 jimsmith95650@= sbcglobal.net=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 5:18=A0pm (PST)=20 Hi Cool!!! More the better!!!! I miss AM STEREO alot!!! Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Neal Newman=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? WHWH went back to Full C-quam Mode this afternoon. now I will have to actua= lly put on some headphones and balance out the image. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (21)=20 2.=20 Re: WHWH Back On CQuam=20=20 Posted by: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" toddroberts2001@aol.com =A0 robe= rts50000=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 5:11=A0pm (PST)=20 Congratulations on turning your CQuam back on! I hope there may be someone= =20 in this group who can give us an aircheck on a good CQuam receiver. I am curious what receiver do you have to listen to WHWH in AM Stereo? 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/20/2012 7:49:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 cozy659@yahoo. com writes: WHWH went back to Full C-quam Mode this afternoon. now I will have to=20 actually put on some headphones and balance out the image. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (1)=20 3a.=20 Re: Platform Motion=20=20 Posted by: "Robert Streeter" rdstreeter41@yahoo.com =A0 rdstreeter41 = =20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 6:28=A0pm (PST)=20 Please do not forget that Motorola also had negative modulation limits...an= d even more so since they could not let the stereo modulation go over -70 %= without running the arctangent portion of the stereo decoder out of its ra= nge.=A0 That is, Magnavox would allow -95%, + "as much as you want" envelop= e modulation with full stereo (such as a momentary left or right audio sign= al) or full mono, while motorola only allowed -70%, + "whatever" envelope m= odulation with full stereo.=A0 However, Motorola had a great center channel= (mono!) system for=A0 A M Stereo.=A0 Their claim was that there was little= stereo content in music, and thus you did not need a robust stereo capabil= ity. =A0 Perhaps it is minor, but I found that it was much much easier to get a spec= ific level of transmitter performance with the Magnavox system as compared = to the same performance on the same transmitter type for the=A0Motorola sys= tem. =A0 The audible "pops" were present in the early Magnavox decoders, but later d= ecoders did not have the "pop" issue.=A0 The reason is that the Magnavox sy= stem was designed to allow both non-synchronous decoding (for the capacitor= tuned radios of the day) as well as for full synchronous decoding (such as= with a synthesized radio tuner and a phase locked loop) for decoding.=A0 M= otorola could not easily handle the capacitor tuned radio, and always requi= red a synchronous decoding process. When you gave up the non-synchronous de= coding for Magnavox you could move away from the "pop" issue. =A0 Bob Streeter ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Platform Motion On 2/18/2012 1:42 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Jota wrote: > >=A0 > Just let me dream with a full perfect AM STEREO world!!! > > That Dream was called "Magnavox AM Stereo"! > > No doubt it sounds good, but its chief drawback was you had to limit=20 negative modulation to less than 95% to keep from getting audible pops=20 on the decoder.=A0 That's why so few stations ever went with it. Scott ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 3b.=20 Re: Platform Motion=20=20 Posted by: "Robert Streeter" rdstreeter41@yahoo.com =A0 rdstreeter41 = =20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 6:35=A0pm (PST)=20 The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one or the = other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping across t= he station RF signal.=A0It was a clear channel skywave propagation issue.= =A0 No interference was needed!=A0 There are many other issues that can als= o cause decoder confusion. =A0 Bob Streeter ____________ _________ _________ __ From: "toddroberts2001@ aol.com" To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion Hi All, One thing I have been noticing over=A0 the years regarding platform motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be=A0 several carriers on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is=A0 most noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you are=A0 listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and the= re is=A0 another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred miles or=A0 so. When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that=A0=20 interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a=A0=20 carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will even=A0 mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder to turn=A0 on. The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for=A0 AM stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be=A0 within +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to=A0 hear carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This=A0 sounds like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. If=A0 the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if=20 every station=A0 was exactly on-channel there would be little or no platfor= m motion. Getting=A0 exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days with GPS disciplined=A0 oscillators. I set one up myself at home for about $150 using surplus=A0 components that gives me nearly the accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many=A0 newer solid state broadcast=20 transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and=A0 provision to add a=20 GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel=A0 without too big=A0 an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to=A0 cleaning up the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people=A0 hear nowadays on almost every channel. 73 - Todd WD4NGG=A0=20 ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 3c.=20 Re: Platform Motion=20=20 Posted by: "jim smith" jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net =A0 jimsmith95650@= sbcglobal.net=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 6:55=A0pm (PST)=20 Hi Bob I am no engineer or exspert on this stuff but i have listened to the= new MC13028 C-QuAM AM STEREO decoder and there was no platform motion at a= ll. The new chips worked alot better then the older MC13020 chip. I wishe= d that MC13028 was around when stations where still TXing 15 khz. I do miss= AM STEREO alot. Jim Smith Loomis Ca --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Streeter = wrote: > > The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one or th= e other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping across= the station RF signal.=A0It was a clear channel skywave propagation issue.= =A0 No interference was needed!=A0 There are many other issues that can als= o cause decoder confusion. > =A0 > Bob Streeter >=20 >=20 > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: "toddroberts2001@ ..." > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion >=20 > Hi All, > One thing I have been noticing over=A0 the years regarding platform > motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be=A0 several carriers > on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is=A0 most > noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you > are=A0 listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and t= here > is=A0 another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred miles > or=A0 so. >=20 > When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that=A0=20 > interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a=A0=20 > carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will > even=A0 mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder > to turn=A0 on. >=20 > The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for=A0 AM > stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be=A0 within > +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to=A0 hea= r > carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This=A0 sounds > like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. >=20 > If=A0 the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if=20 > every station=A0 was exactly on-channel there would be little or no platf= orm > motion. Getting=A0 exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days > with GPS disciplined=A0 oscillators. I set one up myself at home for > about $150 using surplus=A0 components that gives me nearly the > accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many=A0 newer solid state broadcast= =20 > transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and=A0 provision to add a=20 > GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel=A0 without > too big=A0 an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to=A0 cleaning = up > the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people=A0 hear > nowadays on almost every channel. >=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG=A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 3d.=20 Re: Platform Motion=20=20 Posted by: "jim smith" jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net =A0 jimsmith95650@= sbcglobal.net=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 8:13=A0pm (PST)=20 Hi Gang I have also read that many engineers complained about the desition= FCC made on the Magnavox AM STEREO. I do beleave that Magnavox would have = fixed the problems they had with there electronics just like Motorola did w= ith the newer decoder chips for one end of it. We would have alot more AM S= TEREO music stations on the air than we do now. AM STEREO would have been m= ore wide spred faster than it was. What i wish would happen is the FCC woul= d drop AM IBOC and mandate that all AM music stations would go C-QuAM. But= i don't see that hannening. I would think a big amount of enigneers would = complain to FCC about what a POS AM IBOC is but i don't see that happening = ether. Did Magnavox AM STEREO make as much noise as IBOC dose? Bob can comf= erm this but my unedjacaided geuss would be NO!!! My two unedjacaided cents= werth. I am sorry for the rant but i am so furstaded that i went from 7 da= y AM STEREO stations and 3 night AM STEREO stations to one can berly get some times KJUG AM STEREO 1270 Tulary Ca. A bumd AM STEREO fan .Jim Si= th --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jim smith" wr= ote: > > Hi Bob I am no engineer or exspert on this stuff but i have listened to t= he new MC13028 C-QuAM AM STEREO decoder and there was no platform motion at= all. The new chips worked alot better then the older MC13020 chip. I wis= hed that MC13028 was around when stations where still TXing 15 khz. I do mi= ss AM STEREO alot. Jim Smith Loomis Ca >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Streeter = wrote: > > > > The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one or = the other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping acro= ss the station RF signal.=A0It was a clear channel skywave propagation issu= e.=A0 No interference was needed!=A0 There are many other issues that can a= lso cause decoder confusion. > > =A0 > > Bob Streeter > >=20 > >=20 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: "toddroberts2001@ " > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion > >=20 > > Hi All, > > One thing I have been noticing over=A0 the years regarding platform > > motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be=A0 several carriers > > on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is=A0 most > > noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you > > are=A0 listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and= there > > is=A0 another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred mile= s > > or=A0 so. > >=20 > > When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that=A0=20 > > interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a=A0= =20 > > carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will > > even=A0 mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder > > to turn=A0 on. > >=20 > > The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for=A0 AM > > stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be=A0 withi= n > > +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to=A0 h= ear > > carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This=A0 sounds > > like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. > >=20 > > If=A0 the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if=20 > > every station=A0 was exactly on-channel there would be little or no pla= tform > > motion. Getting=A0 exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days > > with GPS disciplined=A0 oscillators. I set one up myself at home for > > about $150 using surplus=A0 components that gives me nearly the > > accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many=A0 newer solid state broadcas= t=20 > > transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and=A0 provision to add a=20 > > GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel=A0 without > > too big=A0 an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to=A0 cleanin= g up > > the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people=A0 hear > > nowadays on almost every channel. > >=20 > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG=A0=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 3e.=20 Re: Platform Motion=20=20 Posted by: "jim smith" jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net =A0 jimsmith95650@= sbcglobal.net=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 9:21=A0pm (PST)=20 Hi gang I have one more thing to say tonight. Happy 30th Birth Day to AM ST= EREO on the air!!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jim smith" wr= ote: > > Hi Gang I have also read that many engineers complained about the desiti= on FCC made on the Magnavox AM STEREO. I do beleave that Magnavox would hav= e fixed the problems they had with there electronics just like Motorola did= with the newer decoder chips for one end of it. We would have alot more AM= STEREO music stations on the air than we do now. AM STEREO would have been= more wide spred faster than it was. What i wish would happen is the FCC wo= uld drop AM IBOC and mandate that all AM music stations would go C-QuAM. B= ut i don't see that hannening. I would think a big amount of enigneers woul= d complain to FCC about what a POS AM IBOC is but i don't see that happenin= g ether. Did Magnavox AM STEREO make as much noise as IBOC dose? Bob can co= mferm this but my unedjacaided geuss would be NO!!! My two unedjacaided cen= ts werth. I am sorry for the rant but i am so furstaded that i went from 7 = day AM STEREO stations and 3 night AM STEREO stations to one can berly get some times KJUG AM STEREO 1270 Tulary Ca. A bumd AM STEREO fan .= Jim Sith >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jim smith" wro= te: > > > > Hi Bob I am no engineer or exspert on this stuff but i have listened to= the new MC13028 C-QuAM AM STEREO decoder and there was no platform motion = at all. The new chips worked alot better then the older MC13020 chip. I w= ished that MC13028 was around when stations where still TXing 15 khz. I do = miss AM STEREO alot. Jim Smith Loomis Ca > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Streeter wrote: > > > > > > The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one o= r the other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping ac= ross the station RF signal.=A0It was a clear channel skywave propagation is= sue.=A0 No interference was needed!=A0 There are many other issues that can= also cause decoder confusion. > > > =A0 > > > Bob Streeter > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: "toddroberts2001@ " > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 > > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion > > >=20 > > > Hi All, > > > One thing I have been noticing over=A0 the years regarding platform > > > motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be=A0 several carriers > > > on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is=A0 most > > > noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you > > > are=A0 listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel a= nd there > > > is=A0 another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred mi= les > > > or=A0 so. > > >=20 > > > When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that=A0=20 > > > interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a= =A0=20 > > > carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will > > > even=A0 mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder > > > to turn=A0 on. > > >=20 > > > The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for=A0 AM > > > stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be=A0 wit= hin > > > +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to=A0= hear > > > carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This=A0 sound= s > > > like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. > > >=20 > > > If=A0 the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if= =20 > > > every station=A0 was exactly on-channel there would be little or no p= latform > > > motion. Getting=A0 exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days > > > with GPS disciplined=A0 oscillators. I set one up myself at home for > > > about $150 using surplus=A0 components that gives me nearly the > > > accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many=A0 newer solid state broadc= ast=20 > > > transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and=A0 provision to add a=20 > > > GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel=A0 without > > > too big=A0 an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to=A0 clean= ing up > > > the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people=A0 hea= r > > > nowadays on almost every channel. > > >=20 > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG=A0=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > >=20 > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 4a.=20 KVI AM=A0 570=20=20 Posted by: "jim smith" jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net =A0 jimsmith95650@= sbcglobal.net=20=20 Mon Feb=A020,=A02012 11:05=A0pm (PST)=20 Hi Gang I have some desapionting news . KVI AM 570 Seattle WA is now anoth= er yaty yack station. Thay had a nice oldies format for a wile. To bad AM S= TEREO could made a differants if conditions where better. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (2)=20 4b.=20 Re: KVI AM=A0 570=20=20 Posted by: "keith beesley" keith1226@yahoo.com =A0 keith1226=20=20 Tue Feb=A021,=A02012 12:06=A0am (PST)=20 Hi Jim,=20 Can you hear KVI from where you are? Yeah, they flipped back to talk on 1/1= /12, after a yearlong experiment as an oldies music station.=20 We are lucky in the Seattle area to still have KIXI 880 playing adult stand= ards, 1210,1360 and 1540 playing a lot of nice Spanish-language music, and = the "Z Twins" (originally a two-station group, now three) on 1420, 1560 and= 1620 playing a lot of classic r'n'b and soul. No AM stereo as far as I kno= w.=20 Keith B. in Seattle ____________ _________ _________ __ From: jim smith To: am stereo forum =20 Cc: jim smith =20 Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} KVI AM 570 Hi Gang I have some desapionting news . KVI AM 570=A0 Seattle WA is now ano= ther yaty yack station. Thay had a nice oldies format for a wile. To bad AM= STEREO could made a differants if conditions where better. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20=20 Messages in this topic (2)=20 Recent Activity * =A01=20 New FilesVisit Your Group=20=20 Only on Yahoo! World of Star Wars Meet fans, watch videos & more.3D""=20 Yahoo! Groups Small Business Group A community for small business owners3D""=20 Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 21 19:15:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56685 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2012 03:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2012 03:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.222) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2012 03:15:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2012 03:15:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.244.49] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2012 03:15:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2012 03:15:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 8310.58622.bm@smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: WSjx2WcVM1lOhRGrlDvbc5JV4E0nMUKW2B.OapCyu22zcX9 qO93Q4v_YqWXiF6XazVnUwSd5oxHD37oNim0WOaa57FYv2JAsaZpfv2SGrsB Ztan6FSQs_RX4KYKoyAb2TfQIiRgd9lZx0BhZvU6SsHTwG4IAQpGtBwSEWbG 0mJbQM7LDSJ9IMqQjoFakbwXB7kBQ60DAf_AJSgn2VaoueXpze5dUrkYYPjX sVtv5_CJURt6bCjhG1reCfr_qd965OasMTPv2oJ4eLaLK0YoEf_NoNUnvbaX jU8lMJfJihOsUz2IhA2pDXKkYA3UQoQQiKtcbmDoKUr.q4W9t3JsOhQVxKLU HRumo6T5O1.qUjqcFqdL25JgG03WEJa4QAzhMP9pFF.Gq2Zh3Aw0bQZrEGBD IO5IBV9X7BlP6Q1LFJ8bZegG_2.oqK_wrt0B.Pf6NAXTUkgVkmPQdUwVws1E CwuZNhRDBxBXxoUakYsKtrbOZ4TfYrjkP1OotoVdTlNc0LHWzcKKmRX.f2ku KBjx0_RQPTwjuuT9DknaCoc3bBrX6wTnGcGrEB33JPWZce0bfUc4K3ebP7Ff pgtCIiweWk8ICfyclCLur8q8hGUCuxztNlvidrQw7MnObHBiPsvOawl7ARyF lcuRsS2_KilywUO_yzAflIw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.38.62.165 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2012 19:15:41 -0800 PST Message-ID: <8CFC84CA1DAE4722B3D0FB2777E10E1A@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <1329813135.2886.22776.m3@yahoogroups.com> <1329870804.64336.YahooMailNeo@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:15:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 3730 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=DmeEC50HGGJb1Xujb3fV2NoV542BCmlO3rPUzca9WwCTp5tJyeOA9hbXf1r8Mn405b0dytJO X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Eddie & Tami Thats to bad. The AM band can do so much more than what its doing now. And look up north in Canada. There has been a stedy move to FM and shutting AM stations down. Its to bad that the AM hairidege band is getting treaded like crap.We could have so much more then just talk radio for the most part on AM. Any way thanks for reading my rant. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Boogie350 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 3730 If I were to give an educated guess based on my conversations with AM engineers and managers, I'd say that around 98% of them DESPISE IBOC on AM (and several aren't particularly "giddy" about it on FM, either FTM). I'd so love to see the FCC pull the plug on IBOC... they've GOT to understand it's pure crap at this point, so there almost appears to be a motive at the FCC to simply destroy the AM band with interference of all kinds, whether IBOC, inverters, CFL lighting, switching supplies, etc. Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter hogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. ________________________________ From: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:32 AM Subject: {AMSF} Digest Number 3730 The AM STEREO Forum The AM STEREO Forum Messages In This Digest (17 Messages) 1a. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Neal Newman 1b. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Robert P Chrysafis 1c. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Robert P Chrysafis 1d. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Kevin Raper 1e. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Kevin Raper 1f. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Joseph Rouse 1g. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Joseph Rouse 1h. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: Neal Newman 1i. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? From: jim smith 2. Re: WHWH Back On CQuam From: toddroberts2001@aol.com 3a. Re: Platform Motion From: Robert Streeter 3b. Re: Platform Motion From: Robert Streeter 3c. Re: Platform Motion From: jim smith 3d. Re: Platform Motion From: jim smith 3e. Re: Platform Motion From: jim smith 4a. KVI AM 570 From: jim smith 4b. Re: KVI AM 570 From: keith beesley View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? Posted by: "Neal Newman" cozy659@yahoo.com cozy659 Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:21 am (PST) In 2006 the transmitter site was vandalized . I had the station running at 1.25 kw non-D mode under an STA. after I got the day pattern fixed. It want back to 5kw day and 2kw night in day pattern while I repaired the night pattern. Finally fixed the night pattern when the site owners had a inspection crew come in and they accidental cut the feeds to a night tower. So it's been running in this mode since under an STA. Now I finally got the night pattern fixed again. So it's now back to Normal. 5 kw 24/7 Switching patterns. The transmitter is a BE AM-6a with a C-Quam card. I just need to balance the left and right from the studios, before I turn the stereo back on. Right now I have it mono'd. Neal Sent from my iPad On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > Hi Gang, > > Neal, what kind of power is WHWH running now? I thought they were licensed for 5kw, but I think I heard they were outputting 1.25kw. This was a while ago, when WBCB programming was being carried. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neal Newman > Sent: 02/19/12 12:15 AM > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (21) 1b. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? Posted by: "Robert P Chrysafis" kc8gpd@hotmail.com kc8gpd Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:26 am (PST) sometimes i swear neal stations need to go back to having armed onsite engineers who live at the tx site like they did in the old days. after a few crack heads go out of a few tx sites horizontal from lead poisoning word will spread fast and they will find less riskier places to steal their copper from. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:14 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? > In 2006 the transmitter site was vandalized . I had the station running at > 1.25 kw non-D mode under an STA. after I got the day pattern fixed. It > want back to 5kw day and 2kw night in day pattern while I repaired the > night pattern. > Finally fixed the night pattern when the site owners had a inspection crew > come in and they accidental cut the feeds to a night tower. So it's been > running in this mode since under an STA. > Now I finally got the night pattern fixed again. So it's now back to > Normal. 5 kw 24/7 > Switching patterns. > The transmitter is a BE AM-6a with a C-Quam card. > I just need to balance the left and right from the studios, before I turn > the stereo back on. > Right now I have it mono'd. > Neal > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > >> Hi Gang, >> >> Neal, what kind of power is WHWH running now? I thought they were >> licensed for 5kw, but I think I heard they were outputting 1.25kw. This >> was a while ago, when WBCB programming was being carried. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Neal Newman >> Sent: 02/19/12 12:15 AM >> To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >> >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (21) 1c. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? Posted by: "Robert P Chrysafis" kc8gpd@hotmail.com kc8gpd Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:55 am (PST) i know it sounds horrible but law enforcement seems powerless to do anything anymore and the hard core criminals have more rights than the victims. we need to protect our own property, homes and families these days. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert P Chrysafis" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:26 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? > sometimes i swear neal stations need to go back to having armed onsite > engineers who live at the tx site like they did in the old days. after a > few > crack heads go out of a few tx sites horizontal from lead poisoning word > will spread fast and they will find less riskier places to steal their > copper from. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Newman" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:14 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? > > >> In 2006 the transmitter site was vandalized . I had the station running >> at >> 1.25 kw non-D mode under an STA. after I got the day pattern fixed. It >> want back to 5kw day and 2kw night in day pattern while I repaired the >> night pattern. >> Finally fixed the night pattern when the site owners had a inspection >> crew >> come in and they accidental cut the feeds to a night tower. So it's been >> running in this mode since under an STA. >> Now I finally got the night pattern fixed again. So it's now back to >> Normal. 5 kw 24/7 >> Switching patterns. >> The transmitter is a BE AM-6a with a C-Quam card. >> I just need to balance the left and right from the studios, before I turn >> the stereo back on. >> Right now I have it mono'd. >> Neal >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: >> >>> Hi Gang, >>> >>> Neal, what kind of power is WHWH running now? I thought they were >>> licensed for 5kw, but I think I heard they were outputting 1.25kw. This >>> was a while ago, when WBCB programming was being carried. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Neal Newman >>> Sent: 02/19/12 12:15 AM >>> To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >>> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >>> >>> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------ --------- --------- ------ >> >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (21) 1d. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? Posted by: "Kevin Raper" kj4hyd@gmail.com ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:07 am (PST) On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > sometimes i swear neal stations need to go back to having armed onsite > engineers who live at the tx site like they did in the old days. I am willing to do that, IF they provide room for my Wife and Family too. > after a few > crack heads go out of a few tx sites horizontal from lead poisoning word > will spread fast and they will find less riskier places to steal their > copper from. Yup, if I catch one, I will put a .38 Slug in 'em before I ever call the Law. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (21) 1e. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? Posted by: "Kevin Raper" kj4hyd@gmail.com ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:10 am (PST) On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > i know it sounds horrible but law enforcement seems powerless to do anything > anymore and the hard core criminals have more rights than the victims. we > need to protect our own property, homes and families these days. For Home Defense, I have a Remington 870 12 Gauge that is loaded with alternating rounds of Buck Shot and Slugs. If somebody breaks in on us, I am gonna turn them into Hamburger Meat. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (21) 1f. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? Posted by: "Joseph Rouse" jmrouse@mail.com radioguy50c5 Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:58 pm (PST) You da man! ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman Sent: 02/20/12 08:14 AM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (21) 1g. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? Posted by: "Joseph Rouse" jmrouse@mail.com radioguy50c5 Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:03 pm (PST) Yep, your right. Cops can only do so much when more & more are cut with the swing of the buget axe. We all have to get more involved with helping our neighbors & communities. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert P Chrysafis Sent: 02/20/12 09:55 AM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (21) 1h. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? Posted by: "Neal Newman" cozy659@yahoo.com cozy659 Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:49 pm (PST) WHWH went back to Full C-quam Mode this afternoon. now I will have to actually put on some headphones and balance out the image. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (21) 1i. Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? Posted by: "jim smith" jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:18 pm (PST) Hi Cool!!! More the better!!!! I miss AM STEREO alot!!! Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? WHWH went back to Full C-quam Mode this afternoon. now I will have to actually put on some headphones and balance out the image. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (21) 2. Re: WHWH Back On CQuam Posted by: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" toddroberts2001@aol.com roberts50000 Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:11 pm (PST) Congratulations on turning your CQuam back on! I hope there may be someone in this group who can give us an aircheck on a good CQuam receiver. I am curious what receiver do you have to listen to WHWH in AM Stereo? 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/20/2012 7:49:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cozy659@yahoo. com writes: WHWH went back to Full C-quam Mode this afternoon. now I will have to actually put on some headphones and balance out the image. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 3a. Re: Platform Motion Posted by: "Robert Streeter" rdstreeter41@yahoo.com rdstreeter41 Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:28 pm (PST) Please do not forget that Motorola also had negative modulation limits...and even more so since they could not let the stereo modulation go over -70 % without running the arctangent portion of the stereo decoder out of its range. That is, Magnavox would allow -95%, + "as much as you want" envelope modulation with full stereo (such as a momentary left or right audio signal) or full mono, while motorola only allowed -70%, + "whatever" envelope modulation with full stereo. However, Motorola had a great center channel (mono!) system for A M Stereo. Their claim was that there was little stereo content in music, and thus you did not need a robust stereo capability. Perhaps it is minor, but I found that it was much much easier to get a specific level of transmitter performance with the Magnavox system as compared to the same performance on the same transmitter type for the Motorola system. The audible "pops" were present in the early Magnavox decoders, but later decoders did not have the "pop" issue. The reason is that the Magnavox system was designed to allow both non-synchronous decoding (for the capacitor tuned radios of the day) as well as for full synchronous decoding (such as with a synthesized radio tuner and a phase locked loop) for decoding. Motorola could not easily handle the capacitor tuned radio, and always required a synchronous decoding process. When you gave up the non-synchronous decoding for Magnavox you could move away from the "pop" issue. Bob Streeter ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Platform Motion On 2/18/2012 1:42 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Jota wrote: > > > Just let me dream with a full perfect AM STEREO world!!! > > That Dream was called "Magnavox AM Stereo"! > > No doubt it sounds good, but its chief drawback was you had to limit negative modulation to less than 95% to keep from getting audible pops on the decoder. That's why so few stations ever went with it. Scott ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (20) 3b. Re: Platform Motion Posted by: "Robert Streeter" rdstreeter41@yahoo.com rdstreeter41 Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:35 pm (PST) The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one or the other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping across the station RF signal. It was a clear channel skywave propagation issue. No interference was needed! There are many other issues that can also cause decoder confusion. Bob Streeter ____________ _________ _________ __ From: "toddroberts2001@ aol.com" To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion Hi All, One thing I have been noticing over the years regarding platform motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be several carriers on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is most noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you are listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and there is another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred miles or so. When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will even mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder to turn on. The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for AM stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be within +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to hear carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This sounds like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. If the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if every station was exactly on-channel there would be little or no platform motion. Getting exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days with GPS disciplined oscillators. I set one up myself at home for about $150 using surplus components that gives me nearly the accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many newer solid state broadcast transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and provision to add a GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel without too big an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to cleaning up the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people hear nowadays on almost every channel. 73 - Todd WD4NGG ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (20) 3c. Re: Platform Motion Posted by: "jim smith" jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:55 pm (PST) Hi Bob I am no engineer or exspert on this stuff but i have listened to the new MC13028 C-QuAM AM STEREO decoder and there was no platform motion at all. The new chips worked alot better then the older MC13020 chip. I wished that MC13028 was around when stations where still TXing 15 khz. I do miss AM STEREO alot. Jim Smith Loomis Ca --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Streeter wrote: > > The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one or the other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping across the station RF signal. It was a clear channel skywave propagation issue. No interference was needed! There are many other issues that can also cause decoder confusion. > > Bob Streeter > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: "toddroberts2001@ ..." > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion > > Hi All, > One thing I have been noticing over the years regarding platform > motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be several carriers > on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is most > noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you > are listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and there > is another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred miles > or so. > > When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that > interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a > carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will > even mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder > to turn on. > > The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for AM > stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be within > +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to hear > carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This sounds > like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. > > If the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if > every station was exactly on-channel there would be little or no platform > motion. Getting exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days > with GPS disciplined oscillators. I set one up myself at home for > about $150 using surplus components that gives me nearly the > accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many newer solid state broadcast > transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and provision to add a > GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel without > too big an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to cleaning up > the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people hear > nowadays on almost every channel. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (20) 3d. Re: Platform Motion Posted by: "jim smith" jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:13 pm (PST) Hi Gang I have also read that many engineers complained about the desition FCC made on the Magnavox AM STEREO. I do beleave that Magnavox would have fixed the problems they had with there electronics just like Motorola did with the newer decoder chips for one end of it. We would have alot more AM STEREO music stations on the air than we do now. AM STEREO would have been more wide spred faster than it was. What i wish would happen is the FCC would drop AM IBOC and mandate that all AM music stations would go C-QuAM. But i don't see that hannening. I would think a big amount of enigneers would complain to FCC about what a POS AM IBOC is but i don't see that happening ether. Did Magnavox AM STEREO make as much noise as IBOC dose? Bob can comferm this but my unedjacaided geuss would be NO!!! My two unedjacaided cents werth. I am sorry for the rant but i am so furstaded that i went from 7 day AM STEREO stations and 3 night AM STEREO stations to one can berly get some times KJUG AM STEREO 1270 Tulary Ca. A bumd AM STEREO fan .Jim Sith --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jim smith" wrote: > > Hi Bob I am no engineer or exspert on this stuff but i have listened to the new MC13028 C-QuAM AM STEREO decoder and there was no platform motion at all. The new chips worked alot better then the older MC13020 chip. I wished that MC13028 was around when stations where still TXing 15 khz. I do miss AM STEREO alot. Jim Smith Loomis Ca > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Streeter wrote: > > > > The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one or the other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping across the station RF signal. It was a clear channel skywave propagation issue. No interference was needed! There are many other issues that can also cause decoder confusion. > > > > Bob Streeter > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: "toddroberts2001@ " > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion > > > > Hi All, > > One thing I have been noticing over the years regarding platform > > motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be several carriers > > on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is most > > noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you > > are listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and there > > is another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred miles > > or so. > > > > When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that > > interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a > > carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will > > even mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder > > to turn on. > > > > The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for AM > > stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be within > > +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to hear > > carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This sounds > > like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. > > > > If the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if > > every station was exactly on-channel there would be little or no platform > > motion. Getting exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days > > with GPS disciplined oscillators. I set one up myself at home for > > about $150 using surplus components that gives me nearly the > > accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many newer solid state broadcast > > transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and provision to add a > > GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel without > > too big an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to cleaning up > > the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people hear > > nowadays on almost every channel. > > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (20) 3e. Re: Platform Motion Posted by: "jim smith" jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:21 pm (PST) Hi gang I have one more thing to say tonight. Happy 30th Birth Day to AM STEREO on the air!!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jim smith" wrote: > > Hi Gang I have also read that many engineers complained about the desition FCC made on the Magnavox AM STEREO. I do beleave that Magnavox would have fixed the problems they had with there electronics just like Motorola did with the newer decoder chips for one end of it. We would have alot more AM STEREO music stations on the air than we do now. AM STEREO would have been more wide spred faster than it was. What i wish would happen is the FCC would drop AM IBOC and mandate that all AM music stations would go C-QuAM. But i don't see that hannening. I would think a big amount of enigneers would complain to FCC about what a POS AM IBOC is but i don't see that happening ether. Did Magnavox AM STEREO make as much noise as IBOC dose? Bob can comferm this but my unedjacaided geuss would be NO!!! My two unedjacaided cents werth. I am sorry for the rant but i am so furstaded that i went from 7 day AM STEREO stations and 3 night AM STEREO stations to one can berly get some times KJUG AM STEREO 1270 Tulary Ca. A bumd AM STEREO fan .Jim Sith > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Bob I am no engineer or exspert on this stuff but i have listened to the new MC13028 C-QuAM AM STEREO decoder and there was no platform motion at all. The new chips worked alot better then the older MC13020 chip. I wished that MC13028 was around when stations where still TXing 15 khz. I do miss AM STEREO alot. Jim Smith Loomis Ca > > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Streeter wrote: > > > > > > The original "platform rotation" issue was a skywave nulling of one or the other of the modulation sidebands due to a selective fade sweeping across the station RF signal. It was a clear channel skywave propagation issue. No interference was needed! There are many other issues that can also cause decoder confusion. > > > > > > Bob Streeter > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: "toddroberts2001@ " > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:23 PM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Platform Motion > > > > > > Hi All, > > > One thing I have been noticing over the years regarding platform > > > motion using CQuam is the main cause seems to be several carriers > > > on one channel that are a few Hz apart in frequency. This is most > > > noticeable at night time but can happen in the day also when you > > > are listening to a fairly distant station on a graveyard channel and there > > > is another station on the same channel perhaps within a hundred miles > > > or so. > > > > > > When the carriers mix they create a sub-audible heterodyne that > > > interferes with a CQuam decoder that is sensitive to the phase of a > > > carrier. Sometimes if the carriers happen to be 25Hz apart they will > > > even mimic a 25Hz stereo pilot tone and trigger a CQuam decoder > > > to turn on. > > > > > > The main problem is the loose frequency tolerance standard for AM > > > stations in the U.S. The FCC allows a typical AM station to be within > > > +/- 30 hz of the channel center frequency. So it is very common to hear > > > carriers mixing 5-10-15 Hz apart or more at night time. This sounds > > > like rapid fading and creates havoc with a CQuam decoder. > > > > > > If the FCC tightened up their standards to perhaps +/- 1Hz and if > > > every station was exactly on-channel there would be little or no platform > > > motion. Getting exactly on-frequency is not hard to do these days > > > with GPS disciplined oscillators. I set one up myself at home for > > > about $150 using surplus components that gives me nearly the > > > accuracy of an atomic clock. I think many newer solid state broadcast > > > transmitters come with a 10MHz standard and provision to add a > > > GPS receiver so most everyone could be exactly on-channel without > > > too big an outlay in dollars. That would go a long way to cleaning up > > > the AM band from the mixing carriers and fading effects people hear > > > nowadays on almost every channel. > > > > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (20) 4a. KVI AM 570 Posted by: "jim smith" jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:05 pm (PST) Hi Gang I have some desapionting news . KVI AM 570 Seattle WA is now another yaty yack station. Thay had a nice oldies format for a wile. To bad AM STEREO could made a differants if conditions where better. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 4b. Re: KVI AM 570 Posted by: "keith beesley" keith1226@yahoo.com keith1226 Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:06 am (PST) Hi Jim, Can you hear KVI from where you are? Yeah, they flipped back to talk on 1/1/12, after a yearlong experiment as an oldies music station. We are lucky in the Seattle area to still have KIXI 880 playing adult standards, 1210,1360 and 1540 playing a lot of nice Spanish-language music, and the "Z Twins" (originally a two-station group, now three) on 1420, 1560 and 1620 playing a lot of classic r'n'b and soul. No AM stereo as far as I know. Keith B. in Seattle ____________ _________ _________ __ From: jim smith To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} KVI AM 570 Hi Gang I have some desapionting news . KVI AM 570 Seattle WA is now another yaty yack station. Thay had a nice oldies format for a wile. To bad AM STEREO could made a differants if conditions where better. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity * 1 New FilesVisit Your Group Only on Yahoo! World of Star Wars Meet fans, watch videos & more. Yahoo! Groups Small Business Group A community for small business owners Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 09:48:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38194 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2012 17:48:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2012 17:48:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.122) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2012 17:48:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2012 17:48:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2012 17:48:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2012 17:48:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:47:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.62.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.209 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=dl8BvukqQmDLVBAuzjl4EuwnkmbpJD6Gvla6QsXfhv1jt4ruCg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! You know I'm not a college engineer but... Isn't possible to use any "normal" C-QUAM tuner to get a "decent" Magnavox = decoded signal? If it possible, and the AM-PM system is really better, and any C-QUAM tuner= can decode it, then I think it would be a great improve to force all the A= M stations to work with Magnavox. BUT... Knowing there is too much negative energy against Kahn here, I still= think the best system (even the noisy problem) to the LW, MW and SW bands = was, is and always will be the Independent SideBand AM Stereo system. Full = AM, full mono compatible, full reliable, full DX capable, full old, proved,= strong and steady technology. Just another crazy idea from an old mad man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I have also read that many engineers complained about the desiti= on FCC made on the Magnavox AM STEREO. I do beleave that Magnavox would hav= e fixed the problems they had with there electronics just like Motorola did= with the newer decoder chips for one end of it. We would have alot more AM= STEREO music stations on the air than we do now. AM STEREO would have been= more wide spred faster than it was. What i wish would happen is the FCC wo= uld drop AM IBOC and mandate that all AM music stations would go C-QuAM. B= ut i don't see that hannening. I would think a big amount of enigneers woul= d complain to FCC about what a POS AM IBOC is but i don't see that happenin= g ether. Did Magnavox AM STEREO make as much noise as IBOC dose? Bob can co= mferm this but my unedjacaided geuss would be NO!!! My two unedjacaided cen= ts werth. I am sorry for the rant but i am so furstaded that i went from 7 = day AM STEREO stations and 3 night AM STEREO stations to one can berly get = some times KJUG AM STEREO 1270 Tulary Ca. A bumd AM STEREO fan .Jim Sith >=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Feb 22 10:14:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1941 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2012 18:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2012 18:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f175.google.com) (209.85.160.175) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2012 18:14:40 -0000 X-Received: by ghbf19 with SMTP id f19so253796ghb.34 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:14:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.201.195 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.201.195; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.201.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.201.195]) by 10.236.201.195 with SMTP id b43mr44215924yho.75.1329934479858 (num_hops = 1); Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:14:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.201.195 with SMTP id b43mr34636833yho.75.1329934479791; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:14:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q55sm64576326yhi.0.2012.02.22.10.14.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:14:38 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:14:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <87C20383-D8C9-4334-B3C5-0023012C2E54@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=SqK0J6R07PQPBV41MKjv9FZAOVYuWpTPwH-pyR942gRncdoQR6dQSqwZN8doPg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Jota wrote: > Isn't possible to use any "normal" C-QUAM tuner to get a "decent" Magnavox decoded signal? It is easy and 1190 WOWO used to do it. Just throw a 25 Hz Pilot Tone to force the C-QUAM chips to decode and they will do a good job with it. > BUT... Knowing there is too much negative energy against Kahn here, I still think the best system (even the noisy problem) to the LW, MW and SW bands was, is and always will be the Independent SideBand AM Stereo system. Full AM, full mono compatible, full reliable, full DX capable, full old, proved, strong and steady technology. Yup, I like the Kahn System best for "Real World" reception conditions. It is the only AM Stereo system that has NO Platform Motion, even under Skywave Listening Conditions. For Ground Wave, the Magnavox system sounded best. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 17:52:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71220 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 01:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 01:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.226) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 01:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng18.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 01:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 01:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 01:52:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:52:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87C20383-D8C9-4334-B3C5-0023012C2E54@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.62.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.209 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ABk2lQ9qx3MF9mssUC2Zx7oI4WCYAd9al6TMGxt9JOUfL67Z_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > > It is easy and 1190 WOWO used to do it. Just throw a 25 Hz Pilot Tone to = force the C-QUAM chips to decode and they will do a good job with it. >=20 > It's so nice to hear it. > > > Yup, I like the Kahn System best for "Real World" reception conditions. I= t is the only AM Stereo system that has NO Platform Motion, even under Skyw= ave Listening Conditions. >=20 > For Ground Wave, the Magnavox system sounded best. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 Mmmm. From your words... Should I have to think all the AM-PM stereo system= s (Magnavox, Harris, Belar and, of course, C-QUAM) have platform motion? ??= ? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with hope and love. 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You can h= ear there signal back when thay where doing this. Its a night wave recordi= ng. Happy Listenig. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:52 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion =20=20=20=20 Hi!!! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > > It is easy and 1190 WOWO used to do it. Just throw a 25 Hz Pilot Tone t= o force the C-QUAM chips to decode and they will do a good job with it. >=20 > It's so nice to hear it. > > > Yup, I like the Kahn System best for "Real World" reception conditions.= It is the only AM Stereo system that has NO Platform Motion, even under Sk= ywave Listening Conditions. >=20 > For Ground Wave, the Magnavox system sounded best. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical= standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 Mmmm. From your words... Should I have to think all the AM-PM stereo syst= ems (Magnavox, Harris, Belar and, of course, C-QUAM) have platform motion? = ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with hope and love. =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 18:31:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50532 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 02:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 02:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.239) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 02:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 02:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 02:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 02:31:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:31:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.62.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.209 From: "Jota" Subject: Magnavox question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3QiolOdF1PxrlQHMsof9A39q435lKfV7wOur4stSIZpe7DcB-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Excuse my great ignorance but... I knew, because a random Internet data, th= at Magnavox was sold to Philips around 1970. ??? I wonder if it means that all the Philips AM Stereo tuners (like my loved D= C-888) used Magnavox system. ??? Does somebody have some data about this? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with hope and love. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Feb 22 18:45:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82974 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 02:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 02:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f176.google.com) (209.85.160.176) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 02:45:24 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gy0-f176.google.com with SMTP id z2so497788ghb.21 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:45:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.100.212.4 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.100.212.4; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.100.212.4 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.100.212.4]) by 10.100.212.4 with SMTP id k4mr14582672ang.35.1329965124077 (num_hops = 1); Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:45:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.212.4 with SMTP id k4mr11452540ang.35.1329965123900; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:45:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i4sm21776942anm.5.2012.02.22.18.45.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:45:22 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:45:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <86756689-A227-467F-8A89-34CA5D060189@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Magnavox question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=7lFjBeUJq3X1iQK2lZELoJjc3VXBEd5iDDIOmnHCi0rbhV3WydrYecEY29Rpeg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 22, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Jota wrote: > I wonder if it means that all the Philips AM Stereo tuners (like my loved DC-888) used Magnavox system. ??? No that radio used Motorola chips. The AM Stereo business was the "Red Headed Stepchild" of Phillips. Due to European AM stations being limited to 5 KHz audio, The Dutch just could not understand why Magnavox was bothering with High Fidelity AM Stereo. There were very few Radios made with True Magnavox AM Stereo. I had the Kenwood KRC-939 that would do true Magnavox and it sounded awesome. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 22 19:00:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57653 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 03:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 03:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.161) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 03:00:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 03:00:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 03:00:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 03:00:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:00:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.20.188.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.188.200 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=CeqgOCMkxG3b2VOi2snRuwjOF6K_5NHHq8yCOw0BBgdUgnMF7ky0JK0pISkev7-usmtzdSvw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang In those two clips of WOWO AM STEREO 1190 on You Tube some one use= d a TM 152 C-QuAM AM STEREO MC13020 picking up a Magnavox AM STEREO with 25= khz pilot tone. I think that sounds perty awsome. But whats even more aws= ome is listening to AM STEREO LIVE from a radio station witch i miss greatl= y. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Jota You can go to You Tube and put in WOWO AM STEREO 1190. You can= hear there signal back when thay where doing this. Its a night wave recor= ding. Happy Listenig. Jim Smith > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Jota=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Hi!!! >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > > > > It is easy and 1190 WOWO used to do it. Just throw a 25 Hz Pilot Tone= to force the C-QUAM chips to decode and they will do a good job with it. > >=20 > > >=20 > It's so nice to hear it. >=20 > > > > > > Yup, I like the Kahn System best for "Real World" reception condition= s. It is the only AM Stereo system that has NO Platform Motion, even under = Skywave Listening Conditions. > >=20 > > For Ground Wave, the Magnavox system sounded best. > >=20 > > 73, > > Kevin Raper > > KJ4HYD > > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > >=20 > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematic= al standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > Mmmm. From your words... Should I have to think all the AM-PM stereo sy= stems (Magnavox, Harris, Belar and, of course, C-QUAM) have platform motion= ? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with hope and love. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Feb 22 19:55:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44852 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 03:55:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 03:55:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f172.google.com) (209.85.213.172) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 03:55:23 -0000 X-Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3so461356yen.31 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:55:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.153.104 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.153.104; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.153.104 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.153.104]) by 10.236.153.104 with SMTP id e68mr81888yhk.74.1329969323514 (num_hops = 1); Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:55:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.153.104 with SMTP id e68mr62568yhk.74.1329969323465; Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:55:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b12sm325239yhj.4.2012.02.22.19.55.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:55:22 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:55:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <48546DD1-E58A-4D21-872F-C8B309765CCC@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Nb4HZNm4nSPakzQrbhSQEdyVyNx9yGY9wkmE01VvVItC7tXqcXiyncsPEJpiKw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:00 PM, jim smith wrote: > But whats even more awsome is listening to AM STEREO LIVE from a radio station witch i miss greatly My Local 1410 WPCC is in C-QUAM Stereo, but they are ESPN Sports with a Mono Feed. :-( 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 22 20:27:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42454 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 04:27:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 04:27:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.148) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 04:27:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 04:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 04:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 04:27:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:27:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48546DD1-E58A-4D21-872F-C8B309765CCC@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.20.188.200 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.188.200 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=kLyhEqGKmwpNt4wOp8hsbbhfblg0EjR7TSR319GWvTdpxx8RC7TtrT9hcFE1c3z9Pn6c5Zj- X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Kiven Bummer !!! It has every thing but good stereo music. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:00 PM, jim smith wrote: >=20 > > But whats even more awsome is listening to AM STEREO LIVE from a radio = station witch i miss greatly >=20 > My Local 1410 WPCC is in C-QUAM Stereo, but they are ESPN Sports with a M= ono Feed. :-( >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From radio774@yahoo.se Wed Feb 22 22:25:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1395 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 06:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 06:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.236) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 06:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.180] by nm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 06:25:34 -0000 X-Received: from [217.146.183.179] by tm11.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 06:25:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 06:25:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 157116.74401.bm@omp1020.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 79823 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2012 06:25:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2YKpTJgVM1l8XNiBezChet0xYBoTKGTynga75pVH0S2f651 dlyoHy6pc4WFDFfWPsOnU.vf11EUZ5BOTuYCea_0POEnwY5cD0RkqBFY6Ala Icnl0Uo_ThGMF76jyAGsIZubdNUoEIZxJis.9p7nqQxyJqEiREmxpDVo6Nn9 JKaxYjyohIhhc3mqUPTS9O0J5GFqQAq2VvKwydkv1Ed24dMDSjwKDj2yoOTG DI8RQVYLxgBj_GWbikt.OFgrlBcBFGydgyNI7w5d4kdcqb1WUEnfJqR36XlB aQW5fFm7qFVj2_j8oRdDrUsLalPrWS8gkFYYxWoEpAD_cZUUE362z8TD.C.3 2swXqSSuF8PbNmKMW8vMus44awlkq1kFc3OzxCZJJXbD4koOYWCGpFM6iZQk G41xLDvwLordRQSG0115JjP3GIwp7sZeKTOlnD75HT_oCbcQn2vn0g2mF3HP ehahS4Irv8BwGRwKOZG4rCSuRWf7Vk5hLYxRq6nPBEYJGMZbhQZ5heED4sZ1 bCUdbyyHnh1NkhvWR3PVZtP3SexFENXbRuDy2FFBfibBoPFOPlr8GxKskJf_ AKFJ8kxLf9xv5yjEIwJZWHhPo78C79E_sGaXHDXhBV0c4c6SaI7s7sFuydfo iH8_uvmmXH1N0XHRJ29f1gTUQ96RKsgzsa2dcMNYXly0a_K2sdwxd.ACXBxU fPVf7OiI2urytWUimV3FOsdm2jDCVfy7smplv2O5mh_RWXOr8U1QJ3smTHmm H_njLl7Yt1pNNBPB7ET1XvBCJV2BnnQ4wUIa0Yk5A4O0SU9RiPvJx8l5uti9 fDuCyg.mvpcu1vSW6CDLUXvktA1DYU0YRcPzz2DPsQGegIGPSBJmFb6sI2bH ObSP7UUauw.GKAH7CkDq8tsxH0zFGKfy0RFKOJMgN6P2371T6mIFg5lD5zgH fGyx_43YhSBI8Nij2RjcL8hHc1XCRsU0u4rGZjquPC8b3B5ko0eWXoWvepp5 UzIWBwxoOJbp1eG5QBoxkd5R3c9is.s3EG5DMI3WMINt7me_E9x9loKJB85Y 2Kv582pU9BheYxfjVyN9z0LhvEWCSTIm4UywyKe6Ev6DikvH7iWPbzyqVCCJ Y16bYqLmBThpvFBtExKMuu.7BZbCQX_rbkmtrCagxfVVzu2SAj0TrLFZyEbT X5zLAWM8_UdDQCsYofQyK9UGl4wqT_tAaJDT5JorfgJemdWqhHvVJnhuBv_e sS3._OXlX2uX4utL.xTJ2C6n1mrxMwI3TlOu.pg..qviO1pijIMEdOuZ2M5c aXOV.qcvOXkOYL6lyl9Gwfrnr6VtXdc_jzqVIPiw8FzOp4FbxsUm1w46mkw4 _jBemQPjvpP0ndgeGLNWtieAg3NSypQ9Lq3F_nYH4PAwmjSmAv7BustLnbGb zIf6Dp5jTh1kzCbQj.DJ_sgS0sBlcKCGkeWjvtxUwHgj8n.IOu0kO1r33Cao AS_bn_AWZHHOoRKE6xwn8zgsIab_Hu21sP8yTN3dTM3ddHBIk1IdmRitdV3o fE0HI0J7TMQNp4phw5ysLjzmEknu34Oy0H97QEZfxwge3jJ.qHfamy0QfCat CpoAdjQ0S.ML5windDdxR60ehTMbzQr3O1WF5wvd3eOs1LaYiSCvgxQdfZZF upSyQl2.sbMUOlQR74z2iap09P1wKZpDm5mFg8yH7b05HD5nh4txAX4qRxfB Qe8z3PZMHdMGpgbTAIk_1hKZE1Z3k1TGPHti57tbjIG.HFRgWlSfETuTv X-Received: from [46.195.2.198] by web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:25:33 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <48546DD1-E58A-4D21-872F-C8B309765CCC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1329978333.45803.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:25:33 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=WnOnD7mJ_ep096ufkLtAt1aE-yfRwhSHnkmP7qPtCpjw6Vc X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys an dolls, somewhere is a link to am stereo recievers in new product= ion and anyone got an addess to some factory? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: torsdag, 23 februari 2012 5:27 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi Kiven Bummer !!! It has every thing but good stereo music. Jim S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:00 PM, jim smith wrote: >=20 > > But whats even more awsome is listening to AM STEREO LIVE from a radio = station witch i miss greatly >=20 > My Local 1410 WPCC is in C-QUAM Stereo, but they are ESPN Sports with a M= ono Feed. :-( >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 03:13:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67601 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 11:13:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 11:13:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f169.google.com) (209.85.213.169) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 11:13:33 -0000 X-Received: by yenl5 with SMTP id l5so591832yen.14 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:13:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.122.12 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.122.12; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.122.12 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.122.12]) by 10.236.122.12 with SMTP id s12mr1459386yhh.63.1329995612985 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:13:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.122.12 with SMTP id s12mr1135067yhh.63.1329995612750; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:13:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h36sm2875960yhj.6.2012.02.23.03.13.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:13:31 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:13:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1329978333.45803.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <48546DD1-E58A-4D21-872F-C8B309765CCC@gmail.com> <1329978333.45803.YahooMailNeo@web28204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <99E49BA1-3047-488B-8960-2EF7503A3F76@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=kn2i6dlKQ09g0_DCFV1kcL4wclgsaDnRzPfpWXoT05oCWCRY0salq1nHz6mdtg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 23, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi guys an dolls, somewhere is a link to am stereo recievers in new production and anyone got an addess to some factory? http://meduci.com/ http://www.fanfarefm.com/ http://www.sony.co.jp/ http://www.sangean.com./ (While it is not marketed as such, the Sangean HDT-1X not only had HD-Radio, but High Fidelity Analog AM Stereo.) Those are the ones I know about. As far as I know the others companies n longer produce AM Stereo Radios or tuners. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 03:16:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30324 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 11:16:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 11:16:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.161.173) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 11:16:44 -0000 X-Received: by ggni1 with SMTP id i1so588551ggn.18 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:16:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.201.232 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.201.232; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.201.232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.201.232]) by 10.236.201.232 with SMTP id b68mr1385376yho.129.1329995804381 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:16:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.201.232 with SMTP id b68mr1090833yho.129.1329995804330; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:16:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f40sm1570577ani.16.2012.02.23.03.16.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:16:43 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:16:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <9EE9ADDD-022E-4E6F-B06E-D4E59228581C@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=U09PG9OIxmkt4A7tlICCpm3oV7JrgqK_O5dRxQIrlprLRmWYC6IWnYRZZbFtGg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:27 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Kiven Bummer !!! It has every thing but good stereo music. Yea what a waste. WPCC has a New Old Stock Optimod 9100/B-2 and a new BE AM-1A with the Stereo Card on the air with a Harris AM-1A Aux Transmitter. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 23 06:33:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24354 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 14:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 14:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.180) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 14:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 14:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 14:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2012 14:33:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:33:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=GOZ5zMTFhhMOl9A_WoJB-zj7zreMWfQ9VJLcue4LeVpUToPkxapbXXY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I never experienced 'platform motion' with the later generation AM stereo c= hips - only the 1st generation chip MC13020P in certain skywave conditions. I'm all for the FCC allowing Magnavox, Motorola, Harris and Kahn on AM anal= og signals; just wish Leonard wouldn't have pissed-off the FCC so that he g= ot dropped. Also, IBOC snuck in a rule that you can't run IBOC and CQUAM at the same ti= me, but doesn't say you can't run one days and the other nights. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 06:40:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59981 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 14:40:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 14:40:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f49.google.com) (209.85.216.49) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 14:40:28 -0000 X-Received: by qadc14 with SMTP id c14so2304143qad.1 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:40:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.229.134.193 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.134.193; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.229.134.193 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.229.134.193]) by 10.229.134.193 with SMTP id k1mr1234669qct.92.1330008027678 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:40:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.229.134.193 with SMTP id k1mr1050183qct.92.1330008027510; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:40:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ef6sm4422565qab.7.2012.02.23.06.40.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:40:26 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:40:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <6FD3DC66-9C00-4CE8-84E4-CCB92074299B@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=EiRKy-OrPv-3Ryo-8Xakm2iK-xQ_gTXjgCSWNB1uffhKcGAFfmiHPnQLHqCoyw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:33 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > Also, IBOC snuck in a rule that you can't run IBOC and CQUAM at the same time, but doesn't say you can't run one days and the other nights. It is not just some rule they cooked up. The Phase Modulated L-R signal of C-QUAM uses the same type of Modulation the Digital Bit Stream of HD-Radio uses. They would cancel each other out. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Thu Feb 23 08:17:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2348 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 16:17:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 16:17:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 16:17:06 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1NGH4Lm004640 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:17:04 -0500 X-Received: from core-mga001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.193]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6C6DCE000086 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:17:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2172b.799838fb.3c77c080@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:17:04 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:411963232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29484f4666805981 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=UwbI1f6l5MVjjLS6hfUztc9_ZzZ6jOrY_tTPa0nuT2Ox7GTS7imA X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I see no mention that Fanfare still makes their AM Stereo receiver on their website. They only talk about their FM receiver at present. Don't know if they will still make their AM Stereo Tuner on special order or if they dropped it altogether? I am sure there may still be some available on the market somewhere. I think the Meduci decoder board is the best way to go for AM Stereo these days by adding it to an existing good AM-mono receiver. It is giving me excellent results using it with an older Delco AM-Mono car radio. You will need some technical knowledge and some test equipment to hook it up properly. Otherwise search Ebay for good used AM-Stereo tuners like the Carver TX-11A or TX-11B. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/23/2012 6:13:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: Hi guys an dolls, somewhere is a link to am stereo recievers in new production and anyone got an addess to some factory? http://meduci.com/ http://www.fanfarefm.com/ http://www.sony.co.jp/ http://www.sangean.com./ (While it is not marketed as such, the Sangean HDT-1X not only had HD-Radio, but High Fidelity Analog AM Stereo.) Those are the ones I know about. As far as I know the others companies n longer produce AM Stereo Radios or tuners. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 08:28:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21661 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 16:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 16:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f46.google.com) (209.85.216.46) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 16:28:15 -0000 X-Received: by qadc10 with SMTP id c10so7013669qad.12 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:27:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.229.115.21 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.115.21; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.229.115.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.229.115.21]) by 10.229.115.21 with SMTP id g21mr1527540qcq.61.1330014471395 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:27:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.229.115.21 with SMTP id g21mr1304607qcq.61.1330014471286; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:27:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e2sm5003108qao.14.2012.02.23.08.27.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:27:50 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:27:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <2172b.799838fb.3c77c080@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <2172b.799838fb.3c77c080@aol.com> Message-Id: <73424E51-F9AD-4861-BA42-C669B1BE93B5@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=mhfLRZ7QT-9Xfj6XAJay0nTYoBFdWdXKwydPBdXs6shaMzA3cUUlyNUnX8UUeg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 23, 2012, at 11:17 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > I see no mention that Fanfare still makes their AM Stereo receiver on their > website. http://www.fanfarefm.com/products#!__audtuners The FTA-100 is still very much in production. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Thu Feb 23 09:01:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34045 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 17:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 17:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 17:01:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10236 invoked by uid 0); 23 Feb 2012 17:01:01 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.151.13 by rms-us011.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:00:58 -0500 Message-ID: <20120223170058.227430@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: nRU0b7M53zOlOgRR5nAhZkJ+IGRvb4AU X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WHWH Back On CQuam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=in32AlJavxflJPeyIBWMmlx4qEVS1QRekr1vfOv8d8CIckotRObG X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Those HD radios that decode C-quam, what kind of response have they got?=20 I can't think of any other reason to buy one. ----- Original Message ----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Sent: 02/21/12 06:26 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WHWH Back On CQuam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 09:11:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22062 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 17:11:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 17:11:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f48.google.com) (209.85.216.48) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 17:11:10 -0000 X-Received: by qauh8 with SMTP id h8so1912810qau.0 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:11:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.229.136.131 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.136.131; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.229.136.131 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.229.136.131]) by 10.229.136.131 with SMTP id r3mr1556774qct.129.1330017069123 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:11:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.229.136.131 with SMTP id r3mr1335634qct.129.1330017069043; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:11:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bd19sm5227634qab.17.2012.02.23.09.11.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:11:08 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:11:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20120223170058.227430@gmx.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20120223170058.227430@gmx.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WHWH Back On CQuam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=j_O_t0ZIrxNqh7HXzAvZbR4H4rFzcwpsrZ4Pn0ig5CwjLyLMIJ2iwyZwUcTkww X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 23, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > Those HD radios that decode C-quam, what kind of response have they got? Most are limited to 5 KHz on AM, but the Sangean HDT-1X is near NRSC Spec on C-QUAM AM Stereo! The first generation HDT-1 had the Low Fi tuner, but many complained and Sangean listened. They greatly improved the AM Tuner on the second Generation HDT-1X 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Thu Feb 23 09:25:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39909 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 17:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 17:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 17:25:46 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1NHPhNT019484 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:25:43 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.10]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0F23EE000081 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:25:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <243ed.117876a7.3c77d096@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:25:43 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498635136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4f4676977ede X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=-FZRad21xtinAVadZpZY3KMOmJeO8Kwn9P0dFSzafer3I4VLaUW2 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Thanks, glad to know the Fanfare FTA-100P is still in production and being sold. I see now on the Fanfare website you can download a copy of the FTA-100P operating manual. I think they could have given more info on remote AM antenna type and placement for quietest AM band pickup. Now if I only had the $1995.00 they are asking for the tuner! I will stick with the $25 Meduci decoder board for now! I am getting the best AM results by far using a small remote active whip antenna located outdoors at least 40 ft away from the house to avoid noise pickup from house wiring and appliances. Using an active whip antenna outside allows routing the signal back indoors using a coaxial shielded cable to bring a quiet signal directly back to a tuner that has provision for a coax input. I see the Fanfare has a coaxial antenna input for AM as well as FM. Many home AM/FM tuners only have a small built-in loop antenna that usually hangs off the back of the tuner. These antennas are subject to noise pickup from in-house AC wiring and appliances in the house that can generate noise. Things like fluorescent lights, light dimmers, TV sets, computers and compact fluorescent lighting can all generate noise in the AM band. The list of noise generators in the house can be almost endless these days when so many things are powered by small switching power supplies that generate RFI. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/23/2012 11:28:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: On Feb 23, 2012, at 11:17 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > I see no mention that Fanfare still makes their AM Stereo receiver on their > website. http://www.fanfarefm.com/products#!__audtuners The FTA-100 is still very much in production. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ From jmrouse@mail.com Thu Feb 23 09:30:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14996 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 17:30:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 17:30:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.mail.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 17:30:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23998 invoked by uid 0); 23 Feb 2012 17:29:56 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.151.13 by rms-us005.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:29:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20120223172954.101920@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: xRI0b7RG3zOlOgRR5nAhm09+IGRvb4Df X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 3730 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=rF3r0dI_eC_iD85QqsOBvGpotFxAujU8WIU1l-_r4wKllDL69MbJ X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't forget the new RF enabled electric & water (drive by) meters on the interference list. Some broadcasters really are trying to provide attractive programming. WDAS-AM has just recently started playing classic r&b and soul. Sound is not too good though. (IBOC). I have discovered some skywave station on 1420 kc from VA playing an oldies/standards mix that is good too. The point is, we have to encourage the stations that are doing it right. ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith Sent: 02/21/12 10:15 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 3730 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 09:34:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48998 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 17:34:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 17:34:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qw0-f48.google.com) (209.85.216.48) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 17:34:45 -0000 X-Received: by qauh8 with SMTP id h8so1927305qau.14 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:34:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.229.136.146 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.136.146; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.229.136.146 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.229.136.146]) by 10.229.136.146 with SMTP id r18mr1732553qct.23.1330018484467 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:34:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.229.136.146 with SMTP id r18mr1479097qct.23.1330018484327; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:34:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hp1sm5352918qab.22.2012.02.23.09.34.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:34:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:34:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: <243ed.117876a7.3c77d096@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <243ed.117876a7.3c77d096@aol.com> Message-Id: <760F8192-4EA2-46F6-BFF3-AEB790239A2D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=d34axpITbE8tEJcGFJrj-IGigoD2gaso1YrbtW9HdYktiNDyQimGgLUi0C0sAg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > Now if I only had the $1995.00 they are asking for the tuner! That is the only reason I don't have one! I am Happy with my Sangean HDT-1X for in the house and my Delco UX-1 in the Ham Shack. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 09:37:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70994 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 17:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 17:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f46.google.com) (209.85.213.46) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 17:37:07 -0000 X-Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21so907532yho.5 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:37:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.154.232 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.154.232; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.154.232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.154.232]) by 10.236.154.232 with SMTP id h68mr4792166yhk.51.1330018627076 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:37:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.154.232 with SMTP id h68mr3866977yhk.51.1330018627025; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:37:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n35sm5166242yhh.19.2012.02.23.09.37.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:37:06 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:37:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <243ed.117876a7.3c77d096@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <243ed.117876a7.3c77d096@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=gGiVjlkUUSlwZ-QUll9KJqg-YJ8g8DYNzCMAy2jijC7sX3iPd0A5XKvSTDcQxw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > I am getting the best AM results by far using a small remote active whip > antenna located > outdoors at least 40 ft away from the house to avoid noise pickup from > house wiring > and appliances. I just use my 160 Meter Inverted V for AM Reception most of the time. I also have a 4' Air core tuned Loop I built for nulling out pests when DXing. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 23 09:38:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96976 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 17:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 17:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f181.google.com) (209.85.160.181) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 17:38:44 -0000 X-Received: by ghrr17 with SMTP id r17so776559ghr.12 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:38:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.181.233 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.181.233; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.236.181.233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.181.233]) by 10.236.181.233 with SMTP id l69mr4721360yhm.32.1330018723805 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:38:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.181.233 with SMTP id l69mr3815307yhm.32.1330018723726; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:38:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k40sm3217690ann.15.2012.02.23.09.38.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:38:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:38:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20120223172954.101920@gmx.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20120223172954.101920@gmx.com> Message-Id: <1E345F54-4FC8-4088-A7CC-0C77DB799EA8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 3730 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=zrdYBgucp3BxthoZ1OvYUk-6E0rMFEKvhzDwo1gV9sOWnLHmztfH9RnOjIJerA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 23, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > The point is, we have to encourage the stations that are doing it right. Yes, and that means support their Advertisers and tell 'em you heard their ad on your favorite station. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Thu Feb 23 09:54:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5568 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2012 17:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2012 17:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2012 17:54:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31710 invoked by uid 0); 23 Feb 2012 17:53:56 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.151.13 by rms-us016 with HTTP Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:53:55 -0500 Message-ID: <20120223175355.122290@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: ZBg0b6FO3zOlOgRR5nAhYjZ+IGRvbwBX X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WHWH Back On CQuam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=iR0zFz5rJ3uH-n5TudPTxGV_XfiE-M1rl3WOiNbAKoU25A2m88_L X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kewl! Thanks for responding. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Raper Sent: 02/23/12 12:11 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WHWH Back On CQuam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 23 17:13:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13406 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2012 01:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2012 01:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-02.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2012 01:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120223191235000848900011> for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:12:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F46E3FA.2090609@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:12:26 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:12:35 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.27) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/3.1.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <2172b.799838fb.3c77c080@aol.com> <73424E51-F9AD-4861-BA42-C669B1BE93B5@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <73424E51-F9AD-4861-BA42-C669B1BE93B5@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120223-1, 02/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Platform Motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=UsO6e31eHjQ2ZuBaZRnaB6519RfvtVvZL2Moc10wA9DKz5pvhjvo X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 2/23/2012 10:30 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Feb 23, 2012, at 11:17 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com > wrote: > > > I see no mention that Fanfare still makes their AM Stereo receiver on > their > > website. > > http://www.fanfarefm.com/products#!__audtuners > > The FTA-100 is still very much in production. > I know of an off-air translator in Bismarck ND that's using one of these. Rather too bad they didn't just get an FM only tuner to pick up the host station. I think the translator might end up getting sold so I'm going to attempt to keep an eye on things in hopes of snagging that tuner. No guarantees, obviously. Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 24 05:59:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88856 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2012 13:59:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2012 13:59:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.55) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2012 13:59:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2012 13:59:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2012 13:59:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2012 13:59:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:59:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <73424E51-F9AD-4861-BA42-C669B1BE93B5@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: FANFARE TUNERS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=vmQ1-Yuy-KAxSnbYByhtsMer8RvcVnwCYJJn6WPRJJiEy7TFZOs0tHA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Click on "Products" and then click on "FTA-100" - also, they used to have M= P3 audio clips from the tuner of WJR-AM stereo and CFCO-AM stereo on their = old website. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: Fanfare still makes their AM Stereo receiver on their=20 > > website. > http://www.fanfarefm.com/products#!__audtuners >=20 > The FTA-100 is still very much in production. Kevin Raper From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 24 06:06:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66574 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2012 14:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2012 14:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.144) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2012 14:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2012 14:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2012 14:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2012 14:06:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:06:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120223172954.101920@gmx.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Interference Makers & Killers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=evBCMLCS9FgN2-9dxDm0ij0LPIXyODYeMhf0qmzYXeplrIs45SU1PlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > Don't forget the new RF enabled electric & water (drive by) meters on the= interference list. Yes, I heard some hams on 80m talking about this; they ended-up wrapping their e= lectric meters with several layers of tinfoil and grounding it - killing-of= f the meter transmitter noise, but leaving just only a 'peephole' on the me= ter to see the dials; that way the mobile meter reader has to get out of hi= s vehicle and come and manually read the numbers!=20=20 It appears my gas meter transmitter only runs when 'called', so I haven't t= aken to giving it a good grounding - yet. They had to move my gas meter ou= tside as it wasn't working while in my basement next to a metal cold air re= turn! John =20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 24 06:21:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62227 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2012 14:21:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2012 14:21:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.83) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2012 14:21:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2012 14:20:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2012 14:20:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2012 14:20:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:20:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F46E3FA.2090609@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: CQ: Scott Todd X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=YwbYXsr5DsUaywlKgRmIMPl7J_sxFO421j4XlSKHfCOn2gg3N2WzzMI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Please contact me off-list. John From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 25 23:18:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60799 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2012 07:18:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2012 07:18:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.131) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2012 07:18:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2012 07:18:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.81] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2012 07:18:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2012 07:18:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 362534.14872.bm@omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 99822 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2012 07:18:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bBJItv8VM1krxdRHxSLmoWxUHrEsdfyJBLUPIdYi.prPHYk LuVtW.IONzT_gUz_itXdu5DcuGkgoxJeDSFB6C1QNymwUsmnZSsDrpo4lrgE qbCqKI92HAOt4NgtGCghrLrYa28ZHg0LdQU4c6NSUImnoo_eT6bOAqItGorZ CNSgFHEnoEJQ10xntrZvVGl.Dct74tNCGUc549DspklIHn37YxXFKta_KRvI AjbdQnyD1pAdkIHEzC8tP679gpyckbWrZD6Fk2sxB2vxDg61BPEGCsHkytHe u8a7HhLs0okoLyyyzPtB26Wp7hNnsQQ7ILEbdPEKc8k7UP9NIO7K0l1NimF8 Qr3pAcTJ9cwZJxWqfKRoIPFayhO7VvYZ.lBf8M.VO72acmk89SOcN2mHzLBu 0w2ZbyrhQPXALX9vB7.YdVlja9XCwBJYyXbyCSAUm8oxh.4UejlOqUcq4Ruy lEGGJzQWRwzUO1dQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Received: from jim3slp85ju21o (jimsmith95650@75.18.127.18 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2012 23:18:12 -0800 PST Message-ID: <0C08829892CC47988FE37959AAF2FA51@jim3slp85ju21o> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:18:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: A question about Sangean HDR 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Cyx3JOpAS_XqJmdQ0Fc7iljMwwz8mVFKrqADwaMz9VN-IuyuZ8r53WqA4pH9kF_Gr5vtLXCF X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Dose any one here know if the Sangean HDR 1 Table top HD Radio C-QuAM AM STEREO ready? I asume that if has the same tuner as the Sangean HDT 1. I had just saw one on E Bay for $100 Buy It now. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 16:45:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4939 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2012 00:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2012 00:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.88) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2012 00:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2012 00:45:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2012 00:45:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2012 00:45:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:45:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0C08829892CC47988FE37959AAF2FA51@jim3slp85ju21o> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.241.161.186 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.161.186 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: A question about Sangean HDR 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Wxo_QketVhrOLcNeE9p5r8dLf5723hXPY6xd6h5TkE4GLQuoxfWPxec X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio It needs to have the " X " suffix to get HQ CQuam. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang Dose any one here know if the Sangean HDR 1 Table top HD Radio C= -QuAM AM STEREO ready?=20=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 26 18:52:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76841 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2012 02:52:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2012 02:52:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.144) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 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26 Feb 2012 18:52:05 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1D4D419C27844872AD059E73128B65AB@jim3slp85ju21o> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:52:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question about Sangean HDR 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=hd10O6pdIdOF4pe97SwwRelwafBjniNVOR9iMj3ygGrMGgLqHauc2VNKxzKk0D3i1NqghvC7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Toledohamradio The way i understand it was the Sangean HDT 1 also can pick up C-QuAM AM STEREO . And both the HDT 1 and the HDR 1 came out about the same time.Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: A question about Sangean HDR 1 It needs to have the " X " suffix to get HQ CQuam. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > Hi Gang Dose any one here know if the Sangean HDR 1 Table top HD Radio C-QuAM AM STEREO ready? 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[24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f40sm20873150ani.16.2012.02.26.19.04.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:04:07 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <0C08829892CC47988FE37959AAF2FA51@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:04:05 -0500 Message-Id: References: <0C08829892CC47988FE37959AAF2FA51@jim3slp85ju21o> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question about Sangean HDR 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=gtapFBgZmculbIHjvFt3G9XQGuNFx8qre0T3t1vM5n3JCEl8J8yra-JTgEIEZA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 26, 2012, at 2:18 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang Dose any one here know if the Sangean HDR 1 Table top HD Radio C-QuAM AM STEREO ready? Yes, but do beware that it is limited to 5KHz Audio in the Analog AM Stereo mode. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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So it sounds just about like the old Radio Shack Accuieran HD Radio. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Raper To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question about Sangean HDR 1 On Feb 26, 2012, at 2:18 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang Dose any one here know if the Sangean HDR 1 Table top HD Radio C-QuAM AM STEREO ready? Yes, but do beware that it is limited to 5KHz Audio in the Analog AM Stereo mode. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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[24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k15sm34729079yhf.11.2012.02.26.19.16.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:16:20 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <848EE7701AAE408AA9AED2331C4C89ED@jim3slp85ju21o> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:16:18 -0500 Message-Id: <2F6B592F-6821-4C42-B1DB-F79279EB1592@gmail.com> References: <0C08829892CC47988FE37959AAF2FA51@jim3slp85ju21o> <848EE7701AAE408AA9AED2331C4C89ED@jim3slp85ju21o> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.178 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question about Sangean HDR 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=mpz5YAvl29Y-b7V-p8WRI19BbBr7spmGh0hWE48fwVt6iYOpOkBV30tALCXHvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:11 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Kevin R Thank you for the comferm on that. So it sounds just about like the old Radio Shack Accuieran HD Radio The ONLY HD=Radio that I know of with High Fidelity Analog AM Stereo is the Sangean HDT-1X. The HDt-1 is the old Low Fi version, you gotta have the X Version to get good Analog Sound. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Some one posted a clip of WMNB AM STEREO 900 useing that radio some where in the files area. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Raper To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question about Sangean HDR 1 On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:11 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Kevin R Thank you for the comferm on that. So it sounds just about like the old Radio Shack Accuieran HD Radio The ONLY HD=Radio that I know of with High Fidelity Analog AM Stereo is the Sangean HDT-1X. The HDt-1 is the old Low Fi version, you gotta have the X Version to get good Analog Sound. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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[24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n12sm34995216yhe.10.2012.02.26.20.00.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:00:11 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:00:10 -0500 Message-Id: <68ADAED1-071D-4489-8669-CF4E8690D0BF@gmail.com> References: <0C08829892CC47988FE37959AAF2FA51@jim3slp85ju21o> <848EE7701AAE408AA9AED2331C4C89ED@jim3slp85ju21o> <2F6B592F-6821-4C42-B1DB-F79279EB1592@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.181 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question about Sangean HDR 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Qq2aVDA9dMbC5VDNla14bunMu2802ofiy-j1Pnn5xWWTKcN38baU_l0aGAXlZw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:29 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Kevin The Accurian HD Radio that Radio Shack sold for a wile did decode CQuAM. Some one posted a clip of WMNB AM STEREO 900 useing that radio some where in the files area. Right, but the Accurian was NOT High Fidelity. Not only was it bandwidth Restricted, it Decoded C-QUAM Audio out of Phase. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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I remember the good old days of 15khz C-QuAM AM STEREO 10 miles away 50 kw KHWY AM STEREO 1030 Folsom Ca very loud and proud of it!!!!! Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Raper To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:00 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question about Sangean HDR 1 On Feb 26, 2012, at 10:29 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Kevin The Accurian HD Radio that Radio Shack sold for a wile did decode CQuAM. Some one posted a clip of WMNB AM STEREO 900 useing that radio some where in the files area. Right, but the Accurian was NOT High Fidelity. Not only was it bandwidth Restricted, it Decoded C-QUAM Audio out of Phase. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Feb 29 05:28:32 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82607 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2012 13:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2012 13:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.55) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2012 13:28:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1330522107; bh=2X1ZWoG4VcW03GilzGE3oYvYggrW+FZh38acbOcJkQU=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qMqQzSMOetfLYBf6JrzYE9YTiPpGHDNzJjfwetze7l4kFtSGQq666/MSSjZb463MpodnA1lUk9yaR5XL3yJkXPTFHAeFmqxLlhQiSOy4p/oBauPQOgKypw/UKWfpOV2v Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2012 13:28:27 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2012 13:28:27 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2012 13:28:27 -0000 Date: 29 Feb 2012 13:28:25 -0000 Message-ID: <1330522105.17210.60247.w1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/Pioneer KE-A433AM Brochure.pdf Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Brochure for the Pioneer KE-A433AM AM Stereo car radio, including listing of 147 C-Quam stations on the air in June 1984. 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Also it should have a wide-narrow bandwidth selector switch. The Delco UX1 meets all these requirements as well as receives AM Stereo. I think the NAB AMAX guidelines did more than just anything to improve AM receiver performance in the 80's and 90's. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Mar 01 07:57:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74124 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2012 15:57:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2012 15:57:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vx0-f179.google.com) (209.85.220.179) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2012 15:57:54 -0000 X-Received: by vcge1 with SMTP id e1so457181vcg.38 for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:57:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.52.20.201 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.20.201; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.52.20.201 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.20.201]) by 10.52.20.201 with SMTP id p9mr8682591vde.87.1330617474032 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:57:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.20.201 with SMTP id p9mr7321286vde.87.1330617473987; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:57:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h5sm3712031vdk.0.2012.03.01.07.57.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:57:51 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:57:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} NAB AMAX Tuner Checklist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=UwQ46DPsw-vAMEyOjJ6YLtxt0MavdCHRA3jEMZf14TriozntcMzTaRIJOzLy0A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:41 AM, roberts50000 wrote: > I think the NAB AMAX guidelines did more than just anything to improve > AM receiver performance in the 80's and 90's. No, AMAX was mostly ignored by the Manufacturers .There was only a Handful of AMAX Certified radios ever made, and now the ONLY AMAX Certified radio in production is the Fanfare FTA-100. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 01 15:57:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35485 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2012 23:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2012 23:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.161) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2012 23:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2012 23:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2012 23:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2012 23:57:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 23:57:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 200.112.55.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.174 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: NAB AMAX Tuner Checklist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2J0A6ygdp_ERRtSSstXuXwS-FMuYXQZ_ZHoKf23VhBoJMDLgSw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Excuse me, but all these specs aren't enough!!! Any "standard" AM tuner from the 1950 decade had better performance, withou= t any kind of pre and de-emphasis. My old Heathkit AJ-30, full vacuum tube technology, with all the tubes abso= lutely exhausted, sounds better than all the A-MAX specs!!! I bet you 1,000= million of dollars (money which I don't have) on this!!! 7.5 KHZ of audio bandwidth isn't enough to sound "enough" good. Why the difference bewteen home and car devices? ??? The "whistle" sounds is often due to the bad stations distribution, and it = is an FCC issue (in Chilean case, it is a SUBTEL problem). You can not to d= o something if you have two stations, less than 100 kilometers each other, = and one at, let say, 1260 KHZ and the other at, let say, 1270 KHZ. NRSC-1 pre-emphasis isn't necessary, if we think at local area only. I'm co= nvinced about radio stations should think to cover local areas only (if you= are in Washington DC, and you want to reach Los Angeles, California, just = use two local stations, simple). Come on!!! I'm an old ham radio guy and I love DX, but... we have to be rea= sonable: with all the today band background noise (power lines, etc.) we ca= n not to think about clean DX, so... Let's come back to the local area syst= em (low power but extremely high fidelity). BTW: Last weekend I went to a very beautiful mountain place here, my provin= ce, my country. It is around 50 kilometers away my station TX place. I coul= d hear the station, with acceptable background noise, all the daytime long.= Impossible to hear it at nightime. But you have to think my TX has the two= RF final amplifier vacuum tubes absolutely exhausted, so I doubt it is giv= ing the full TX power (I guess it is around 650 Wts only). NOTE: none of th= e Curico City FM stations can reach that place, and they really have 1,000 = Wts. So... Just crazy ideas from a mad man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "roberts50000" = wrote: > > Hi All, > I thought it would be worthwhile to review the NAB > official requirements for an AMAX-certified AM tuner. >=20 > 1-They must have wide audio bandwidth: 7,500 hertz for home and automotiv= e applications and 6,500 hertz for portable radios.=20 > 2-They must have some form of bandwidth control, either manual or automat= ic, including at least two bandwidth provisions, such as "narrow" and "wide= ".=20 > 3-They must meet receiver standards for low total harmonic distortion and= proper NRSC-1 audio de-emphasis curve.=20 > 4-They must attenuate the inter-station high frequency 10,000 hertz "whis= tle" sounds.=20 > 5-They must have provisions for an external AM antenna connection.=20 > 6-They must be capable of tuning the expanded AM band (up to 1,700 kHz).= =20 > 7-They must meet NRSC-1 receiver standards for audio distortion and audio= de-emphasis.=20 > 8-Home and automotive receivers must have effective noise blanking.=20 >=20 > Note that a true AMAX-certified AM tuner must have provision for an > external AM antenna connection. Also it should have a wide-narrow > bandwidth selector switch. >=20 > The Delco UX1 meets all these requirements as well as receives AM Stereo. >=20 > I think the NAB AMAX guidelines did more than just anything to improve > AM receiver performance in the 80's and 90's. >=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 01 19:10:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61455 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2012 03:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2012 03:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2012 03:10:21 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120301211005002233400010> for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:10:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F503A02.1080009@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:09:54 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:10:05 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.27) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/3.1.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120301-1, 03/01/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NAB AMAX Tuner Checklist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=wEflCYo3HMjwv3QSHR8m-cYpslt1NnQ2IvercQ-5KJpaLMZ7ueSe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/1/2012 5:57 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi!!! > > Excuse me, but all these specs aren't enough!!! > > Any "standard" AM tuner from the 1950 decade had better performance, > without any kind of pre and de-emphasis. True enough, but given how bad radios had become, the NRSC and AMAX standards were a pretty good leap towards improvement. Too bad AMAX didn't go anywhere; NRSC is pretty much coded into FCC rules. Not unless you can get rid of all the stations that weren't around in the 50s and enforce some standards to improve all the noise generating electronics of today would your suggestion work. Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 02 05:35:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86689 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2012 13:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2012 13:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.161) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2012 13:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2012 13:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2012 13:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2012 13:35:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 13:35:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1330522105.17210.60247.w1@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum - AMS listing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=oiikq7Max4UqnW1dXh3T4ghuNSUAIJNNf2TKQmm3HpNSFLVbgGR-Njc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow, 147 stations in CQUAM about year and a half after it was really introd= uced - I don't think HD can claim that many stations; this also doesn't tak= e into account the Harris, Motorola and Kahn stations, or the stations in C= anada broadcasting in AM stereo, so there were even more! Also, this list is a good list of stations to pester to turn their CQUAM ba= ck on, if it's off! John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Hello, > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /pdf/Pioneer KE-A433AM Brochure.pdf=20 > Uploaded by : kevtronics =20 > Description : Brochure for the Pioneer KE-A433AM AM Stereo car radio, i= ncluding listing of 147 C-Quam stations on the air in June 1984.=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/Pioneer%20KE-A433AM= %20Brochure.pdf=20 >=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 02 09:01:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6962 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2012 17:01:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2012 17:01:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-00.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.150) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2012 17:01:24 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120302110111002308500010> for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:01:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F50FCD7.2000008@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:01:11 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:01:11 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.27) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/3.1.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120302-0, 03/02/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum - AMS listing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=DRq--5VMVL6T-LC1QzOhEuRzOpaoou4nPnKttSYU3X1mh1dQ4KFM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/2/2012 7:35 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > Also, this list is a good list of stations to pester to turn their CQUAM > back on, if it's off! I doubt 10% of these stations would still have the equipment to place back in the rack. And even if they did, if they replaced a stereo STL with a mono one it wouldn't help anyway. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Mar 02 09:35:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34075 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2012 17:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2012 17:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f54.google.com) (209.85.212.54) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2012 17:35:50 -0000 X-Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so2840978vbm.27 for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:35:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.52.91.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.91.47; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kj4hyd@gmail.com designates 10.52.91.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kj4hyd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.91.47]) by 10.52.91.47 with SMTP id cb15mr17694983vdb.76.1330709749975 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:35:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.91.47 with SMTP id cb15mr15101936vdb.76.1330709749877; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:35:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w6sm9677526vdj.4.2012.03.02.09.35.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:35:48 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 12:35:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4F50FCD7.2000008@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4F50FCD7.2000008@usfamily.net> Message-Id: <73F4F934-FB62-42E3-8D64-6973E6DE6BAC@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum - AMS listing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=JJyG7g-RmtyQtQfefwD2AwkuVuGYC1wB2TolgTOw3y7ljoHw6NPqiyGUhm0diQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > I doubt 10% of these stations would still have the equipment to place > back in the rack. And even if they did, if they replaced a stereo STL > with a mono one it wouldn't help anyway. Or they are a former Music station gone Talk with Mono Satellite feeds. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Mar 02 09:36:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1542 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2012 17:36:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2012 17:36:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s5.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.144) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2012 17:36:35 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP54 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s5.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:36:34 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP54.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:36:33 -0800 To: References: <4F50FCD7.2000008@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:37:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2012 17:36:33.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[02C92DE0:01CCF89B] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum - AMS listing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=4TY-P3jYi0NNJhiXNbq9PXkvlIClMyq6sF6RDKDDUElL X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i had about 7 CQuAM exciters at one time just from the CNJ area alone. i cant recall what stations they were from. one was a harris, 3 were AX10's, one was a Delta, then a couple of motorolas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum - AMS listing > On 3/2/2012 7:35 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > >> Also, this list is a good list of stations to pester to turn their CQUAM >> back on, if it's off! > > I doubt 10% of these stations would still have the equipment to place > back in the rack. And even if they did, if they replaced a stereo STL > with a mono one it wouldn't help anyway. > > Scott Todd > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Mar 02 17:06:38 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86236 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2012 01:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2012 01:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.200) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2012 01:06:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1330736796; bh=QqfPq+pkLHT58JFoV5/+9/TYlTbt8CrqDYuhcGKuqgw=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LSe14aDZjSXJmmf1QYgmBd8hfXou5hsg/tXzYSNXA4+4HWxmTZCaB6gSTcxp/bQNxMyMrrf+BKGgonCsrM2K2k9ialmHqBnPJ4q5OEZfC7ynNj5OC1xISCvaMoeTz4sJ Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2012 01:06:36 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2012 01:06:36 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2012 01:06:36 -0000 Date: 3 Mar 2012 01:06:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1330736795.70907.88858.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM_stereo_1340_khz_cquam_fixed.mp3 Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : An improved version of bogdanchiochiu's recording of an AM Stereo station on 1340 kHz. I corrected the pitch & channel balance, filtered out the adjacent carrier whistle, and reduced the hiss. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM_stereo_1340_khz_cquam_fixed.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, kevtronics From jazzeum@yahoo.ca Sun Mar 04 16:58:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jazzeum@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49016 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2012 00:58:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2012 00:58:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.18) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2012 00:58:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 00:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 00:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 00:58:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 00:58:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <231E3A0D83974921A196BFFB877D4ABB@MirelaPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 174.35.246.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 174.35.246.14 From: "jazzeum" Subject: Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52903432; y=88gLyyxpivHH7Vd4gvLmxFLkOYQpcJwCp_8PSZQzCXEFYA X-Yahoo-Profile: jazzeum We may switch-on the C-QUAM at WDNY-AM in Dansville, NY. The gear is in th= e transmitter shack, although we need to put in a STL that will deliver two= channels and update the studio to deliver Stereo programming.=20=20 It's probably a summer-time project. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > Knowing that in Canada, besides CFCO-630 and, perphaps, two stations in W= innipeg (inaudibles here), there is nothing C-QUAM left, I wonder what is t= he status of AM Stereo on mainstream commercial broadcasters in the USA. Ho= w many of those are left ? WINY, WQEN, WLBQ, KCJJ, WIRY and...KEVA 1240 are= the only ones I can remember off the hand...Anything else left ? Also, whi= ch of those, according to you, is having the best sound ? >=20 > 73 and good C-QUAM local, semi-local and DX listening, > Bogdan Chiochiu >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From cozy659@yahoo.com Sun Mar 04 18:41:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: cozy659@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71830 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2012 02:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2012 02:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.162) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2012 02:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 02:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.252] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 02:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 02:41:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 184747.44603.bm@omp1044.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20254 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2012 02:41:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: OfOuUBgVM1m6R2f_fDgdg9M7BeG7IY8PDGTQPYn0kmWEBca xG5Zoctd1AhpIUEdV2TWrbMjZnNInwJpz2U0.UJ5f7d8mBTTipbWUtYEXE3A ZocdqXNjPAYKwxZU7qef0xR5qLVxr1Wf.WWW0Gjjafvs9qf995R7rHU2Wk4F axhiZ81LFY23jPioDc.CpWbDM3dJ.AWUDxUOCyyMYlKxvSoo3f4LaOtggeGr JQrZbuWQ.gntHtCXIuLLq1W_Jo807hRmkQKoTxkTDrNuhuDbQRhNMaxEI1Ou 7F.t1XSxMM1AYIGWLg_qm_.Rj1m2dhqxnOKUceZhp7f_49JM.imjWeFznhz5 Hu.U1UQAqF17sKEstTcP_hkralvsVPPiPyOmKSCZ3bG5MJg5IMybGl2D7MzZ .fZZZfWjiwK2d9KZ9iishFU2zMRxCTci6dLqY3Kgf2kaefy7SGd52gq3GnYy dsgw4bMQW2R3h0p1I9eOBpnOzR9D7m4k1qIe5iCrYRv8lHIT_J6A0X7JpgEe m29w28KUpYpKw_mdf5Jv9hq0hyKgCqi8vLVmzKqyqc7STyRwqbvvi.huSoBa TUWA.eOipVBUBnFA5Mps65Jc7HPDo73s8_r5.5a2V84iaLu1j15dTEFxk3xB u0UbWiWIgpuEZV7SjpsuSqA2zGK6gGZ93.s1OdIUUUcA5897o5fb9JksosV9 fCwCnM6qJ.GhYd0aoONM1nUghz6AFdAc63CXDgoCMijlMr25.9hubi1g- X-Yahoo-SMTP: tngUMh2swBAOaqRDz2M46H_zfRw- X-Received: from [192.168.1.2] (cozy659@71.187.78.157 with xymcookie) by smtp125-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Mar 2012 02:41:06 +0000 UTC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:41:06 -0500 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=bZscnIWGxE4ZDjRaLZhH6EILmYwxe8_Orb5ZYdVQmOUGWg X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 WHWH is operating in C-Quam Princeton,New Jersey Sent from my iPad On Mar 4, 2012, at 7:58 PM, "jazzeum" wrote: >=20 > We may switch-on the C-QUAM at WDNY-AM in Dansville, NY. The gear is in = the transmitter shack, although we need to put in a STL that will deliver t= wo channels and update the studio to deliver Stereo programming.=20=20 >=20 > It's probably a summer-time project. >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: >>=20 >> Knowing that in Canada, besides CFCO-630 and, perphaps, two stations in = Winnipeg (inaudibles here), there is nothing C-QUAM left, I wonder what is = the status of AM Stereo on mainstream commercial broadcasters in the USA. H= ow many of those are left ? WINY, WQEN, WLBQ, KCJJ, WIRY and...KEVA 1240 ar= e the only ones I can remember off the hand...Anything else left ? Also, wh= ich of those, according to you, is having the best sound ? >>=20 >> 73 and good C-QUAM local, semi-local and DX listening, >> Bogdan Chiochiu >>=20 >>=20 >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 05 07:25:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86068 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2012 15:25:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2012 15:25:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.141) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2012 15:25:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 15:25:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 15:25:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 15:25:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:25:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} New CQUAM Stations On Air ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=t9N_y3F4FCuqIVTG5tnbr3v9JmrUf7yoZuVGd3eOotVG4HqT4J7RQHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WDNY - we hope you'll join the AM Stereo fold this summer! You might even g= et some help from an engineer in the area - all you have to do is ask here! And Neal, glad to hear that WHWH is operating in C-Quam (Princeton,New Jers= ey) too! 73 John From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 05 08:17:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5427 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2012 16:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2012 16:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.158) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2012 16:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 16:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 16:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2012 16:17:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:17:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 71.155.149.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.149.214 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Stations On Air ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=07xnWUiyTqVWYThuFpKhqwFILTjZuUhcp56wcQbOlXlsv-ZY0EjlCxMVq0cy4xPGHeCx6Tr5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Lets say good news about more AM STEREO stations going on the air.= And also Happy 30th and one day to AM STEREO being on the air. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > WDNY - we hope you'll join the AM Stereo fold this summer! You might even= get some help from an engineer in the area - all you have to do is ask her= e! >=20 > And Neal, glad to hear that WHWH is operating in C-Quam (Princeton,New Je= rsey) too! >=20 > 73 > John > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 07 07:52:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 651 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2012 15:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2012 15:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.207) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2012 15:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2012 15:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2012 15:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2012 15:52:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:52:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.26.55.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.55.131 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: How many C-Quam stations left in the US ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=HZfX-ZZWEH_HL-BZ-OkPyLUUdCgwMWbzPZIiBnuiXVWqO_TWgPAgWt_5vMcTzgYg0h26NnRK X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Speeking of Canadan AM STEREO stations dose any one know if Classi= c Country CKMX AM 1060 still in AM STEREO? I rairly get them . Its hard to = hear them past KNX AM HD 1070 side band SHSHSHSH. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jazzeum" wrote: > >=20 > We may switch-on the C-QUAM at WDNY-AM in Dansville, NY. The gear is in = the transmitter shack, although we need to put in a STL that will deliver t= wo channels and update the studio to deliver Stereo programming.=20=20 >=20 > It's probably a summer-time project. >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > > > Knowing that in Canada, besides CFCO-630 and, perphaps, two stations in= Winnipeg (inaudibles here), there is nothing C-QUAM left, I wonder what is= the status of AM Stereo on mainstream commercial broadcasters in the USA. = How many of those are left ? WINY, WQEN, WLBQ, KCJJ, WIRY and...KEVA 1240 a= re the only ones I can remember off the hand...Anything else left ? Also, w= hich of those, according to you, is having the best sound ? > >=20 > > 73 and good C-QUAM local, semi-local and DX listening, > > Bogdan Chiochiu > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From bossmsx@yahoo.com Thu Mar 08 11:49:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64254 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2012 19:49:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2012 19:49:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.18) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2012 19:49:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2012 19:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2012 19:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2012 19:49:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 19:49:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.84.102.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.84.102.59 From: "bossmsx" Subject: WLIB-1190-New York?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170289152; y=BW34If7EV4FsvWqB6qSYtodi-VjYTX9IbaHe_mC-nbB-Yw X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Anyone know if they are Stereo?? Pilot only, or separation too? Thanks. Tony From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 08 19:45:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67398 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2012 03:45:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2012 03:45:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.58) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2012 03:45:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 03:44:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 03:44:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 03:44:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 03:44:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.19.157.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.157.189 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=cn9FrNacqEal_MFIeutGWCit0OAITL1I6yjy5gt0BmxNY6Jl1Qm63KXuPDpbt2b6XsyhS1Tx X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Tony Would'nt you know if you tuned in with a pilot tone C-Quam radio? = Even with a forced C-QuAM radio you could separation. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bossmsx" wrote: > > Anyone know if they are Stereo?? Pilot only, or separation too? >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Tony > From bossmsx@yahoo.com Thu Mar 08 21:09:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69397 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2012 05:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2012 05:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.168) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2012 05:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 05:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 05:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 05:09:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 05:09:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 152.75.228.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 152.75.228.47 From: "bossmsx" Subject: Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170289152; y=SYKh_jVfz9SsmGq0xa0mscCCdfwmRFJ_KP0S1H-OLsg_2A X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Yes, but I'm not in New York. Was planning a trip there, though and wanted= to know if I should bring the radios with me. Tony/Miami --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Tony Would'nt you know if you tuned in with a pilot tone C-Quam radio= ? Even with a forced C-QuAM radio you could separation. Jim Smith > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bossmsx" wrote: > > > > Anyone know if they are Stereo?? Pilot only, or separation too? > >=20 > > Thanks. > >=20 > > Tony > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 08 21:26:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24892 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2012 05:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2012 05:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.228) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2012 05:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm25.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 05:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.81] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 05:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 05:26:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 243937.83069.bm@omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93670 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2012 05:26:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ds_OQf0VM1mj00SctbWgzEsE0TYLsFyK__24hiP.drGVqF7 BAIa6Lmfp6_GiaoWkzzKyPrK1_mbYv4wrY_f7v5UQdP1Lag8mtKpidehkUh3 .XGzE.t1fT4kLYHLy7qxZsMcQX.k_gUQ0gJemrBskhNrZkZAnx_Oy7xxzmwN HschTu7b1YklT3dolgqvH2X_SK7Pn2wefCVM3WhOglD3AjnCoh7BDHb2Czn_ LZ9AmHaDAOyX2_PpcunsZCxGoHFyW9RN1h8Q3IMYRaQep7IAQhipBFB6fRm5 jbUoNyf8EqneUjsYopOStIes21UM8uSnLMHAWppzn4xoNRNHV03yH8FK3aW6 1.5bBsfVOhlkfGtI.7u7KrBl0uCXfbjOUAJ6Z44kBMvf2Uxz2XrM3XxGjhk4 lM9S_pHBPx0Zq45Rr93vIHiWR3qWo09nykxvF3IaV_eD7VQe1zKqdJHbpMs_ fDaTVcUJd3HuLevDNTBeomkUB4y5VNYfHROyCFRJRn6BBx_bYqGOpRSYG_L0 rqQyLWXQo_gZQSTpol53PgQSN4lsQ6TOy_1kctjTU5fO5Fhnp0vle3pCfQcA 3seFXeMP2g2pslwM92wgviHMiFQnAF3wMZSq9wCH_.PwhUnkUz41mAVEYTsY FDNXuWqY0QtJYuGFm75YVBDTlXlWDHQhbNyTF09NG3qnCEtH2.G28rBVIb8p vPqL_zwcuj09SIflPqw682czseicsJiYOSw_kpdzHv_31iubcW17aqtPXCNp nQnNsZY7F10fxPXkEngOnLzDDPgIFFjqlc2Pgq6PEMeMM6wHM1S.0FpLJV.I X0XlTJgTQNnBcwuXLR5IcsivoZVp2_p2rZlWeV8rZVBvkNgy6fMaSFN2xewP 53Dr.3Hm7_T8UWHHayw6hbdd_ab6Glrndo0R2yqCRryo7sYytU8LvUcMJ1Sm UEkCOghwRmnnlqaUCMD6Zci0.nEvxzDNgRobGcLt6VER9..yQNqTLisDugOb pc72EW0p6TFx8qjYAtNZOWCycSPKOdiyhJxyIlXoSXspnB4UI.kdYR00UZP_ 4uw3X5A5WQztBM4T1LM6ff2yLrXLYqtR0gv0bPA5KHwZvPCn.ogTAOLJeVz1 k_1v9DxFshP82USvtpD_h6vvndhTS4904.XOCt84GRduckLjhf.y9X.ybSvT wDOpstYfYhYnzh.uh8xplooRSEKHwWTHTApith63Ed_WvmAdbUSymmlAe2xk ER3b0wRIz8L2jkI21gqlhqK6t9BAKQ6sjn4MCyMAZfu17dZNW4svSHXrIzho f81Jm4p9oWKejZQ_1M86wcqk5MZymAFqRMjenAM04hO06Kwc4t_rzfHizgx8 9hnHYoLOgKRoxj9mYjLoh.zSC5CAp8nN84URZnl4MCYqcHx136zBEctsacI. ltTaZcGy2GJMbZ_0BhccISUKS940cl.MbJ4cYBd5o5EPBeKQCipDTGdlba_E 4NZytt_ny2WoNynvPsACW.PzcxyrfhFE.E9Xhit8Vkc0OoIDa_2mw3Kt7_jI DS8IekXJIGHpVwmlZ5.gykNwV446dCj7Y13.GbPy9Y7hRVuBvFfBxh4qRA4s S.NNjctwZHCtUa2eq3cctSVLrklNMY8ZvzoYm8SXqacrRHJ0HT_5mpIf4gIW NF0zsHdOjSob4X0OSvuonx8BmTt.Cjw0uG0JGhzJAt8bH1xCa0lEGhGeJAeL tUxidbz1lQ2JiYTnXmKwnif6OiOIuj_GAyloyyf_liwDskvlbzBMQ.MVRG_5 kTHNNdgaJ4PGATVOPlC5neXSOoRhYePaipPS4tTWkPIF.bQI.DwGi_UOUO2y 6eMOn4n5W4SsAcf7Yq.6A8OW5LhVwIvJU9zhg5kKJHhNUrFPOLGV.JxA2FZQ - X-Received: from [75.19.157.189] by web83812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 21:26:17 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1331270777.93346.YahooMailClassic@web83812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 21:26:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=62jfiQBwR3gVg0yrn-5Sgia99qU4aGiv79UyEg-pQah2Hk_BqTwD8U246fevCSpmj_HSn2wK X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I would say yes. If nothing els at least you would have a desent soundin= g radio to listen to wile you are there. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 3/8/12, bossmsx wrote: From: bossmsx Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 8, 2012, 9:09 PM =C2=A0=20 Yes, but I'm not in New York. Was planning a trip there, though and wanted = to know if I should bring the radios with me. Tony/Miami --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Tony Would'nt you know if you tuned in with a pilot tone C-Quam radio?= Even with a forced C-QuAM radio you could separation. Jim Smith > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bossmsx" wrote: > > > > Anyone know if they are Stereo?? Pilot only, or separation too? > >=20 > > Thanks. > >=20 > > Tony > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 09 14:53:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32959 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2012 22:53:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2012 22:53:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-00.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.150) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2012 22:53:02 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120309165252002680500010> for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:52:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F5A89C4.8070304@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:52:52 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:52:52 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.27) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/3.1.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120309-0, 03/09/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=r1UhaEdGjGTojHKaxiTKg5HjiWHtoT6_jDXBF69wzHVHCA1PStKl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/8/2012 11:09 PM, bossmsx wrote: > Yes, but I'm not in New York. Was planning a trip there, though and > wanted to know if I should bring the radios with me. > I don't think there's been an AM stereo station in NYC for years. Scott Todd From cozy659@yahoo.com Fri Mar 09 15:38:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: cozy659@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50930 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2012 23:38:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2012 23:38:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.148) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2012 23:38:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 23:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.196] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 23:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 23:38:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 21140.88637.bm@omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 79227 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2012 23:31:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RsQ3NhUVM1lvFO0Wd9moV4YPugWgA69k46DdXMAuxqUYfUC mtUa.LhX59NdM23lQRVtQKDlCtIuYsiKSc_.KxerTqMXP8UDGDo2HV_mqvXb PTc9.uYc3fOf.cLBw6LRNIfOHEDpRuQJBxci84QMTV1Kzi7o8tTo2ZFWSJDZ shvwizdKicFldD3hr9Wnq0vOjPlStfJzWMH0FEAric1oZFrgInHzzK1gaYiC yi5sxufr9STng2rCY8g4x_4sPRbcHyoQTPVr1Hj5htBujU4xgsz6L.n04bBu DR4Mos.AhG40XfA7wP6l3C42rugT5uNrSCqjhTi8H3tEGqR7Awt8s9pF8ZqR xgX1oAeVn7lDW_P8gVFaoVlU0v7SiVGIlfsN.vQMGDbV3gGJltHxYy7vdOB9 wTfFdn.M5iUtQxrqtOVi1FNP.i6yV9JfWgmpuWCdGDOg_cbnylj1be.Paukt Ee5fCg6QSJlYq3dEGPL7CTQUK2VZ9PEg5utFo3feCT7VZ9tmOFQZUzSeIbnV BQzVp4Hx60BHYGLETsKvsbZJfiYZxH0HMZaohmY5KBYHw_xv0nWvuNiUUf7k 0wXtY5xtWuEJXKfDS4Xv7ffMWEvmvyqFvVoEd2Z68qZDv0_DATx4lGzWqsJ8 q9jdwPLRWPF16n5ZXiAAfU02d7lnmhYe_RcA1Jq.U91f8LTqAyPcN7x2.nM9 0AXJOGkaEBLaY1OqsokC0dSQKGQv4qETBOHPo9sg5wTghyTAso471cZ5Qbwz BZthttx20DT1NoRt7HI2iH34gtA0YtemMdeY.pIVlYt6iM92CxnJ_fWqLCaY jybqmtcKeMVhWSDWH9e.XZfGN2O34c4FsyUXMFRAnYZppKn2UTwxniEn_Eyh fd9Co9Ow3.F2SEISNbiOKuc8Pae2PCbrokpKFEmq0XR6KpxZlhyjzwkkO X-Received: from [71.187.78.157] by web125701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:31:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1331335888.77126.YahooMailClassic@web125701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:31:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4F5A89C4.8070304@usfamily.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=Rugpq4Mjj_YdEa9d9rmMBBfUQpPTd1rs-xn2i5Nsf1ahSg X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WEll If you came into Central New Jersey there is 1350 WHWH in Princeton=A0= Full blown C-quam stereo( Spanish )=A0Neal --- On Fri, 3/9/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 9, 2012, 5:52 PM On 3/8/2012 11:09 PM, bossmsx wrote: > Yes, but I'm not in New York. Was planning a trip there, though and > wanted to know if I should bring the radios with me. > I don't think there's been an AM stereo station in NYC for years. Scott Todd ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Mar 10 05:55:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39458 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2012 13:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2012 13:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2012 13:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2012 13:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2012 13:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2012 13:55:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:55:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F5A89C4.8070304@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.241.161.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.161.186 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=4_wznMOegctskn8lKNtY75863e_PMwhC42uEdCV_XIomgyHJfYXV2ss X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I still habor bad feelings for the crap that WLIB pulled to get more power = and killed the 50KW Magnavox AM stereo signal of WOWO.=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Mar 10 06:41:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29957 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2012 14:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2012 14:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f169.google.com) (209.85.213.169) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2012 14:41:37 -0000 X-Received: by yenm8 with SMTP id m8so1597816yen.28 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:41:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.184.202 with SMTP id s50mr6963260yhm.84.1331390496014; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:41:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7sm23136118yhm.5.2012.03.10.06.41.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:41:35 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 09:41:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=B5HCHh0ECKL4bT4yrdF5HXZDRjFQZ-3SH_KxnAhfFOPnWEu5UtkW6cLwlktahA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 10, 2012, at 8:55 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > I still habor bad feelings for the crap that WLIB pulled to get more power and killed the 50KW Magnavox AM stereo signal of WOWO. Yea, me too. And I won't report them to ANY DX List either. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Mar 12 11:37:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22359 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2012 18:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2012 18:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.82) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2012 18:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2012 18:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.10] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2012 18:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2012 18:37:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 976494.65765.bm@omp1010.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 229 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2012 18:37:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WjjOX7wVM1me3YAoCFtVt.ttx4JSDvAGQNZy4cQlpe5ZXjT rTWyBJu.WBygeuh8.peYfiVEDDlsaxyfi_CeWBy43bOwF8qqfcDy4fppv6H5 IuQ5BHeZmxRt4AS78LHDNsDf2gHR7.br3hnEtcmWqpfCjNwEd7DnFptywve5 up0_RWUwUJpGWXWoViXqRLpUUNk93Nmgs1zpqG6mXJRstirEbbWlKkCDNn3Y 2sB0mHI9obJ8xOG.v7evrRMhD.pKNZC9hPGmdG8jfstv5LA5X8rrIfpRNuHD EvE4ts.HSE97K0JMegx2oJcT_wcchrlRJ_L2Et95cxqrZXIOiyLW5oLoGtMK 7Vm8NfjpYrH5TRGPe2rSgEm8Ttmhx8WtCiMpZk9pJwt67p5wXu02QP6z3bth B69VibTGRG_ai1oR8n8feuk8x9vubI3HKoplSrD0HIJbjI4zoSopGU_AfQL. 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Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Jn5uCP83BqLCE0CbG--UTAaXIz2R4nsh433th7IAjcE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, but WOWO did not have any AM stereo for years when they were "neutere= d" ... =A0 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 3/10/12, Kevin Raper wrote: From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 9:41 AM On Mar 10, 2012, at 8:55 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > I still habor bad feelings for the crap that WLIB pulled to get more powe= r and killed the 50KW Magnavox AM stereo signal of WOWO.=20 Yea, me too. And I won't report them to ANY DX List either. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx@yahoo.com Mon Mar 12 12:44:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99692 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2012 19:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2012 19:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2012 19:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2012 19:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2012 19:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2012 19:44:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:43:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1331577435.93220.YahooMailClassic@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.84.102.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.84.102.59 From: "bossmsx" Subject: Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170289152; y=ZmWfmAJ3NmD3CGtGzMjg2TLFkalIJuyfByulZr5ebvEl9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx That, and nowadays WOWO is just a talk station, like most other AMs out the= re....Even without Stereo, they would've been worth 'saving' for the music = format, but with the same content as most other AMs out there nowadays, the= point is moot. Reason why I asked about WLIB was, there are two videos on YouTube that sho= w a 'tunedown' of the AM band on Stereo radios, and in both, the pilot ligh= ts up on WLIB.. -Tony/Miami --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > Yeah, but WOWO did not have any AM stereo for years when they were "neute= red" ... > =A0 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > --- On Sat, 3/10/12, Kevin Raper wrote: >=20 >=20 > From: Kevin Raper > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 9:41 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 10, 2012, at 8:55 AM, toledohamradio wrote: >=20 > > I still habor bad feelings for the crap that WLIB pulled to get more po= wer and killed the 50KW Magnavox AM stereo signal of WOWO.=20 >=20 > Yea, me too. And I won't report them to ANY DX List either. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Mar 12 18:05:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55881 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2012 01:05:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2012 01:05:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f46.google.com) (209.85.213.46) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2012 01:05:05 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yw0-f46.google.com with SMTP id m54so4250955yhm.33 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:05:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.78.5 with SMTP id f5mr15152045yhe.103.1331600705470; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o68sm42190546yhk.16.2012.03.12.18.05.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:05:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1331577435.93220.YahooMailClassic@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1331577435.93220.YahooMailClassic@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLIB-1190-New York?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=E9ZHmmnYGX6_pYXrT_QRbw35dG7RAgZHovKw7Sm6QdIb_ShUazNAKA5VAJ5vPA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 12, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Yeah, but WOWO did not have any AM stereo for years when they were "neutered" ... They were AM Stereo until the last night on full power. I was a regular Stereo listener of that station. What a sad day it was... 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Mar 13 10:52:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toddroberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86240 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2012 17:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2012 17:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.144) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2012 17:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2012 17:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2012 17:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2012 17:52:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:52:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 205.188.116.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.188.116.132 From: "roberts50000" Subject: Does Anyone Here Own A Carver TX-11A or TX-11B FM/AM Stereo Tuner? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=uNLWw1q5Jkh8TcTJNlUboqRtlznDaen3I8U-tqSOIiC--ztz2uw7 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I am curious if any other members here own/use a Carver TX-11A or TX-11B tu= ner? I recently found one on Ebay for $79.99 and look forward to giving it a good test of the AM tuner section and to see how it behaves wit= h a remote active whip antenna and compare it to a Delco UX1 which is alrea= dy very sensitive on the AM band. Looking at the schematic it looks like the AM Wire input terminals are fair= ly low impedance and should work well with the 50 ohm output of a remote ac= tive whip antenna. I have an adjustable attenuator on the Active Whip outpu= t so I can reduce the level to the tuner in case of any overload.=20 It looks like the TX-11A has an exceptionally wide IF filter in the "wide" = position of 30KHz which would allow nearly flat audio=20 response up to 15KHz which is near-FM response. This would be ideal for str= ong local daytime reception but probably too wide for AM band listening at = night. The "narrow" position looks like it is about 12 KHz which would be m= ore suitable for a crowded band at night. Other specs like distortion look very good with figures less than 1%. The Carver TX-11A or TX-11B looks like a good=20=20 American-made wideband AM-Stereo tuner that is still available for=20 a reasonable price on Ebay. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 14 06:17:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32154 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2012 13:17:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2012 13:17:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.234) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2012 13:17:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2012 13:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2012 13:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2012 13:17:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:17:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Does Anyone Here Own A Carver TX-11A or TX-11B FM/AM Stereo Tuner? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=BHbd6RVFLdGlTQqgejrUgnv9fuusFPSSpCzud29uqMwag0LQk43i0a0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Somebody here on the list did have one of them; but, I dont' recall if both= models had CQuam decoders although they both had wide bandwidths? IIRC, at the NAB back in about 1982, Carver had a booth with an Erector set= antenna transmitting some nice 15KHz AM audio for these tuners so you coul= d listen to them, and there was an advertisement with their 'tower' in it t= oo. Can somebody chinme in if the TX11A and TX11B both had CQUAM decoders, or i= f you have to add it one of them? John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "roberts50000" = wrote: > > Hi All, > I am curious if any other members here own/use a Carver TX-11A or TX-11B = tuner?=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Mar 14 06:31:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20866 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2012 13:31:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2012 13:31:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fa0-f49.google.com) (209.85.161.49) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2012 13:31:09 -0000 X-Received: by mail-fa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 19so321563faw.22 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 06:31:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.183.133 with SMTP id cg5mr2879111qab.88.1331731869078; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 06:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f12sm9011357qan.1.2012.03.14.06.31.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 06:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:31:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <592DCC33-A9EE-4604-BAAA-A24E2EC6E776@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Does Anyone Here Own A Carver TX-11A or TX-11B FM/AM Stereo Tuner? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=P6VEhPkbLn28SMVta7KoZk8W22HoXAw7f4tLdHr7AGrGnPFjzDqst9TzfrnvhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 14, 2012, at 9:17 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > Somebody here on the list did have one of them; but, I dont' recall if both models had CQuam decoders although they both had wide bandwidths? I have one, but it is not connected at this time. > IIRC, at the NAB back in about 1982, Carver had a booth with an Erector set antenna transmitting some nice 15KHz AM audio for these tuners so you could listen to them, and there was an advertisement with their 'tower' in it too. Carver pulled lots of stunts with his AM Stereo Transmitter and the TX11A then the B model, like having Audiophiles that claim they can hear the difference between brands of Capacitors see if they could hear the difference between the original CD and the AM Station. > Can somebody chinme in if the TX11A and TX11B both had CQUAM decoders, or if you have to add it one of them? Both had AM Stereo. The difference was the B model had NRSC Roll-off in the audio and the A Model was flat, so it sounded Harsh when listening to a Station with NRSC Pre-emphasis. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Mar 14 16:29:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 231 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2012 23:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2012 23:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2012 23:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q2ENTBdW020325 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:29:11 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgc002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 902D3E000082 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d1c2.171ba948.3c9283c7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:29:11 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453948928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a4f6129c7292b X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Does Anyone Here Own A Carver TX-11A or TX-11B FM/AM Stereo Tu... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=r3Wz3qdys9zNvdX9jwnUCANeXWSQLf3lF-CS7tWyBxzUua6c3dtL X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Thanks for the replies to my question on the Carver TX-11A and TX-11B tuners. I think pdmtr from Greece once mentioned he has more than one Carver tuner in his collection. Both the 11A and 11B have Motorola C-Quam decoder chips. I received my Carver TX-11A from UPS today in very nice condition so I had a chance to hook it up. I found the TX-11A has a switchable AM De-emphasis so you can choose flat or NRSC roll-off. I am very pleased with the AM tuner performance. It does not seem quite as sensitive as a Delco UX1 but the remote active whip I am driving it with gives it more than enough gain to pull in DX on the AM band. I would recommend using a remote active whip antenna for good AM performance. The AM audio is exceptionally transparent sounding in the "wide" position. I am hearing high frequencies I never noticed before on my other AM tuners. The IF bandwidth in "wide" position is 30 KHz, so you can hear a strong station 2 or 3 channel steps above and below it. The "narrow" bandwidth is about equal to the "wide" position of a UX1, about 12KHz. It has a noise limiter switch that takes the "bite" out of static also. The tuner sounds awesome on a good strong local AM station that has a good audio chain. It would make a good monitor receiver for a broadcast station. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 3/14/2012 9:17:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: Somebody here on the list did have one of them; but, I dont' recall if both models had CQuam decoders although they both had wide bandwidths? IIRC, at the NAB back in about 1982, Carver had a booth with an Erector set antenna transmitting some nice 15KHz AM audio for these tuners so you could listen to them, and there was an advertisement with their 'tower' in it too. Can somebody chinme in if the TX11A and TX11B both had CQUAM decoders, or if you have to add it one of them? John From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 02:27:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34571 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2012 09:27:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2012 09:27:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2012 09:27:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2012 09:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2012 09:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2012 09:27:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:27:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1d1c2.171ba948.3c9283c7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.74.230.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.74.230.24 From: "pdmtr" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Does Anyone Here Own A Carver TX-11A or TX-11B FM/AM Stereo Tu... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=EZNdUQR8T-jl4QaTPiYevYystgAdGDpgJxYfN0Th9RY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Yes I do own more than 2 Carver TX11A's and in the last 4 years I have boug= ht and sell more than 40 units of them. I also have one B here. IMHO the TX= 11A or B are excellent AM STEREO tuners if you speak about audio quality de= coded from a full 15KHz audio modulated transmitter. These tuners have the = best sound on AM Stereo than any other I have owned untill now! There are n= ot so sensitive however, even with the +20db RF Amplifier button pressed! S= o for DX could not be considered as the best performers to work with. For t= hat reason you would find thta the DENON TU680NAB is exactly what you're lo= oking for! An excellent tuner both on audio quality on WIDE stereo AM selec= tion, and also a real good sensitivity of the front end at MW band! This ma= kes it the winner if DXing of AM Stereo is what you're looking for! DENON h= as similar audio quality than the carvers, somewhat not so high end as thos= e but just a click below them if you ask me, but the drawback is that in to= decode AM stereo CQUAM signals you must set it at automatic scan mode inst= ead of manual scan! So if you select the receiving frequency using manual d= ial at it, you will not see or hear any stereo from it! But if then you jus= t press the manual/auto button to set it at auto, the stereo will come out = and you will be pleased from the quality of it as much as with the Carvers!= !! And as in the TX11A B units it also provides a Narrow/Wide selection, wi= th better narrow passband than the TX units!=20 Selectivity seems to be better in DENON however, both on Narrow or Wideband= modes, for AM.=20 But if you ask me the Carvers IMHO can be considered as the reference tuner= s for AM STEREO C-QUAN reception/monitoring or testing! And that's why one = of them is proydly sitting in top of my test bench in our company lab!=20 Best regards=20 Sotris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > Thanks for the replies to my question on the Carver TX-11A and TX-11B=20 > tuners. I think pdmtr > from Greece once mentioned he has more than one Carver tuner in his=20 > collection. Both the 11A and 11B have Motorola C-Quam decoder chips. >=20 > I received my Carver TX-11A from UPS today in very nice condition so I h= ad=20 > a chance to hook it up.=20 > I found the TX-11A has a switchable AM De-emphasis so you can choose fla= t=20 > or NRSC roll-off. I am very > pleased with the AM tuner performance. It does not seem quite as sensiti= ve=20 > as a Delco UX1 but the remote > active whip I am driving it with gives it more than enough gain to pull = in=20 > DX on the AM band. I would > recommend using a remote active whip antenna for good AM performance. Th= e=20 > AM audio is exceptionally > transparent sounding in the "wide" position. I am hearing high frequenci= es=20 > I never noticed before on my=20 > other AM tuners. The IF bandwidth in "wide" position is 30 KHz, so you= =20 > can hear a strong station 2 or 3 channel steps above and below it. The=20 > "narrow" bandwidth is about equal to the "wide" position of a UX1, about= 12KHz.=20 > It has a noise limiter switch that takes the "bite" out of static also. >=20 > The tuner sounds awesome on a good strong local AM station that has a go= od=20 > audio chain. It would > make a good monitor receiver for a broadcast station. >=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20 > In a message dated 3/14/2012 9:17:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20=20 > toledohamradio@... writes: > Somebody here on the list did have one of them; but, I dont' recall if=20 > both models had CQuam decoders although they both had wide bandwidths? >=20 > IIRC, at the NAB back in about 1982, Carver had a booth with an Erector= =20 > set antenna transmitting some nice 15KHz AM audio for these tuners so yo= u=20 > could listen to them, and there was an advertisement with their 'tower' = in it=20 > too. >=20 > Can somebody chinme in if the TX11A and TX11B both had CQUAM decoders, o= r=20 > if you have to add it one of them? >=20 > John > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Mar 20 17:34:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32227 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2012 00:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2012 00:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2012 00:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q2L0YLHD020604 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:34:21 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.9]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 53380E000087 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <127a0.1830f76e.3c9a7c0d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:34:21 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:424595904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d4f69220d009e X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Recent Troubles With Carver TX-11A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=xcJ1POZCeMr9YczuBGvgVjGjwtyk6CbYMEtT5xf5WDyRw6vcerPf X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I recently ran into some troubles with my newly acquired Carver TX-11A tuner. The tuner ran fine at first, then one time I left it running for a few hours. When I came back to check it again, reception was cutting on and off intermittently, with the display blanking out for a minute or so then coming back on again. I did some checking on Google and found a good explanation of the problem here: _http://home.onemain.com/~jvandyke/id8.html_ (http://home.onemain.com/~jvandyke/id8.html) Apparently over a long period of time there is a small (9-50pF) trimmer cap on the PLL tuner board that eventually fails and the PLL board quits when this happens. The PLL board uses a 7.2MHz crystal oscillator as the timebase for the TC9147BP IC. There is a small trimmer on the board TC501 ( 9-50pF) that often fails. What I understand is Carver used some defective parts in some of their early production runs. The problem seems to be fairly common and affects the TX-11 series of tuners including the TX-11 FM-only tuner, the TX-11A and TX-11B. They all use the same TC9147BP PLL IC and 7.2MHz crystal plus the same 9-50pF ceramic trimmer. The fix is to replace the small trimmer cap with a new one. A replacement trimmer cap is available from Mouser for about a dollar. I happened to have a nearly exact replacement trimmer cap in one of my parts boxes and once I replaced the cap the tuner is working fine again. Another problem with these tuners is some of them had a 7.199 crystal installed instead of a 7.2MHz crystal and the timebase runs out of adjustment before you can bring it up to a nominal 7.2MHz. The fix for this is to swap a different crystal in place. The original crystal is a miniature HC49/U size with wire leads. A good replacement is an HC49/S crystal that is much shorter in height but has the same wire leads and spacing. There are several sellers on Ebay that have the HC49/S size 7.2MHz crystals at ridiculous prices of 50 for around 7 dollars so you can afford to buy a handful of them. If you run across a Carver TX-11A or TX-11B at a good price don't let any of let these problems stop you from picking up one of the best Stereo AM tuners made. The fix for them is well known and easy to do for a very low cost 73 - Todd WD4NGG. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 22 12:57:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82785 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2012 19:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2012 19:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-10.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.170) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2012 19:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120322145746100629200011> for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:57:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F6B8430.2060709@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:57:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:57:46 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <127a0.1830f76e.3c9a7c0d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <127a0.1830f76e.3c9a7c0d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120322-0, 03/22/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Recent Troubles With Carver TX-11A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=WuQWyG6ZqgT_QQCYJ8zyPlDL2MD74Rv0OZ3_QF-VG1VK2tSq-rNV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/20/2012 7:34 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > I recently ran into some troubles with my newly acquired Carver TX-11A > tuner. > The tuner ran fine at first, then one time I left it running for a few > hours. > When I came back to check it again, reception was cutting on and off > intermittently, with > the display blanking out for a minute or so then coming back on again. > > I did some checking on Google and found a good explanation of the problem > here: > > _http://home.onemain.com/~jvandyke/id8.html_ > (http://home.onemain.com/~jvandyke/id8.html) > > I'm getting a "page not found" message, but that's valuable info and will keep it in case I can get one of these units. Scott Todd From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Mar 22 14:15:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49066 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2012 21:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2012 21:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s2.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.141) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2012 21:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP40 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s2.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:15:29 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP40.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:15:28 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:15:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2012 21:15:28.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7EC8810:01CD0870] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=gw_vn8klV-IshK7yQ_G9twBXd3QObj4uWVNPkbAglOMv X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd CRL Amigo AM ftp://ftp.orban.com/CRL/AMIGO%20AM%20Quick%20Installation%20Guide.pdf Never knew they made the amigo series in AM much less AMS!!!! From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 14:33:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30719 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2012 21:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2012 21:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.139) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2012 21:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2012 21:33:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2012 21:33:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2012 21:33:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:33:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.62.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.81 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=H96fSc8YrmkrIXs61kJgqG7MkdwT80gIE2WgUOAu1Rmrk4IbAA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > CRL Amigo AM > ftp://ftp.orban.com/CRL/AMIGO%20AM%20Quick%20Installation%20Guide.pdf >=20 > Never knew they made the amigo series in AM much less AMS!!!! > Is this device still in production? Where? How much? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope. 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He also said what he did in t= he message. Jim Smith=C2=A0 --- On Thu, 3/22/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Recent Troubles With Carver TX-11A To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 22, 2012, 12:57 PM =C2=A0=20 On 3/20/2012 7:34 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > I recently ran into some troubles with my newly acquired Carver TX-11A > tuner. > The tuner ran fine at first, then one time I left it running for a few > hours. > When I came back to check it again, reception was cutting on and off > intermittently, with > the display blanking out for a minute or so then coming back on again. > > I did some checking on Google and found a good explanation of the problem > here: > > _http://home.onemain.com/~jvandyke/id8.html_ > (http://home.onemain.com/~jvandyke/id8.html) > > I'm getting a "page not found" message, but that's valuable info and=20 will keep it in case I can get one of these units. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Thu Mar 22 16:28:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3525 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2012 23:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2012 23:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2012 23:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q2MNSo3u029193 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:28:50 -0400 X-Received: from core-mga002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.217]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2BEF7E00008C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4fc2.3ff9a58d.3c9d0fb0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:28:49 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:453281760:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74f6bb5b231d8 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Recent Troubles With Carver TX-11A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=d3fDhvWF4lyLs7k3QlhlGouC17PpeNakA-KaM--M9IyvSi_Kj_rf X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/22/2012 3:58:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > __http://home.onemain.com/~jvandyke/id8.html__ (http://home.onemain.com/~jvandyke/id8.html_) > (_http://home.onemain.com/~jvandyke/id8.html_ (http://home.onemain.com/~jvandyke/id8.html) ) > > I'm getting a "page not found" message, but that's valuable info and will keep it in case I can get one of these units. Scott Todd H Scott, I don't know why, but the top link gives me a "page not found" reply also. The bottom link in parentheses seems to work OK though, at least in the original posting. 73 - Todd WD4NGG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Mar 22 17:45:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97448 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2012 00:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2012 00:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f176.google.com) (209.85.161.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2012 00:45:41 -0000 X-Received: by ggcs6 with SMTP id s6so2487120ggc.7 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:45:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.176.8 with SMTP id d8mr3162615anp.56.1332463541177; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p41sm17094881yhj.14.2012.03.22.17.45.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:45:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <54E12790-0300-4042-8159-22051D156BD5@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=eCH3LtyaGejkDmMABcpMM8EDWFfsA0NAfsABRB-ivduun93DwiZtGlX3Vq628Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Jota wrote: > Is this device still in production? Where? How much? ??? When Orban bought out CRL, they incorporated some of CRL's Technology into the Orban Product and discontinued the entire CRL Product line, including the AM Amigo. If you want the "Amigo Sound", get an Optimod 9400 from Orban. It can be made to sound just like an Amigo, but in my Opinion, of you can find a Classic Optimod 9100B/2, it is a better sounding box. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Mar 22 17:48:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76416 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2012 00:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2012 00:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.213.170) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2012 00:48:56 -0000 X-Received: by yenl5 with SMTP id l5so2283971yen.15 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:48:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.200.197 with SMTP id z45mr10173918yhn.99.1332463734617; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm8373224ane.12.2012.03.22.17.48.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:48:51 -0400 Message-Id: References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=EsB9Hh-AuGRst_ZmkqsgyQDZS-PfNF4IUkzS1_NsS2rkvzcC_xaWQrUUlJB5NQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > CRL Amigo AM That is a 20 Year old box, and if you find one, you are going to have to replace every Capacitor in it. If it breaks, you are on your own since you cannot get it serviced anymore. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 18:58:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31944 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2012 01:58:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2012 01:58:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.178) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2012 01:58:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2012 01:58:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2012 01:58:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2012 01:58:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 01:58:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.62.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.81 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=qkX06GYl7ifTs38hnnNMbJYHh45GEIKAueAb6bC4BFfUoh38OA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Kevin!!! I can't understand why the "new" devices have problems with some internal c= omponents. I still use (24 hrs/7 days a week) the old UREI BL-40 Modulimiter (Peak Lim= iter and RMS Compressor unit) which was manufacturer at 1970 decades and th= e only one problem I've had with it was... a bolt at the monitor output con= nector!!! I still use (a lot of times, all days) the very old Heathkit AJ-30 AM/FM Tu= ner (full vacuum tube technology) and it only has the tubes exhausted (more= than 50 years!!!) but nothing more. I still use (every time I "copy" a vinyl) my old McMartin B-200B RIAA pre-a= mplifier. The only one problem we had, when it arrived here, was... the dev= ice is intended to use 110 Volts instead the standard 220 Volts we use here= (Chile). We had to get a transformer. Nothing else. This devices is from 1= 978. SO... Why the today capacitors, resistors, etc, are more "weakling" than the old = components? ??? Maybe because they are manufactured in the far east region? Or Is there som= e kind of less quality control at the factories to privilege the quantity i= nstead the reliability? ??? Interesting issue. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: >=20 > > CRL Amigo AM >=20 > That is a 20 Year old box, and if you find one, you are going to have to = replace every Capacitor in it. If it breaks, you are on your own since you = cannot get it serviced anymore. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Mar 22 19:24:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99955 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2012 02:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2012 02:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f53.google.com) (209.85.213.53) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2012 02:24:32 -0000 X-Received: by yhjj72 with SMTP id j72so2604695yhj.12 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:24:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.114.200 with SMTP id c48mr10568782yhh.23.1332469472108; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v27sm17648500yhi.22.2012.03.22.19.24.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:24:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <32A1809C-2ACB-4BFB-A412-95B8DB6B2A53@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=WrqICjVeuQ6-je2laFDdxV7dsH1DIXpMQ_uSvYwT_K-Ya4jG2oAwVfVSFE0icg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Jota wrote: > I can't understand why the "new" devices have problems with some internal components. Many of the old ones do too. > I still use (24 hrs/7 days a week) the old UREI BL-40 Modulimiter (Peak Limiter and RMS Compressor unit) which was manufacturer at 1970 decades and the only one problem I've had with it was... a bolt at the monitor output connector!!! I use a BL-40 on my 75 Meter Ham Radio Station. :-) I used to think my old BL-40 was just fine until I replaced all of the Electrolytics and WOW what a difference it made in the sound Quality, > I still use (a lot of times, all days) the very old Heathkit AJ-30 AM/FM Tuner (full vacuum tube technology) and it only has the tubes exhausted (more than 50 years!!!) but nothing more. Watch that tuner, Heathkit was bad to use CHEAP Resistors that will increase their Value with age. I ended up replacing all of the Resistors in my Heathkit DX-60. > I still use (every time I "copy" a vinyl) my old McMartin B-200B RIAA pre-amplifier. The only one problem we had, when it arrived here, was... the device is intended to use 110 Volts instead the standard 220 Volts we use here (Chile). We had to get a transformer. Nothing else. This devices is from 1978. I like those "McMartian" Preamps myself. Those things sound good. > Why the today capacitors, resistors, etc, are more "weakling" than the old components? ??? If anything, today's Capacitors and resistors are more stable than the old ones were. Of course you get what you pay for and if you pay for Chinese Junk, that is exactly what you get. I like NTE brand components myself. I have had good luck with them. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Mar 22 19:48:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1456 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2012 02:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2012 02:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lb0-f170.google.com) (209.85.217.170) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2012 02:48:15 -0000 X-Received: by lbbgg13 with SMTP id gg13so2185061lbb.29 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:48:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.145.131 with SMTP id su3mr7493010lab.46.1332470893958; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:48:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.19.100 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:48:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <32A1809C-2ACB-4BFB-A412-95B8DB6B2A53@gmail.com> References: <32A1809C-2ACB-4BFB-A412-95B8DB6B2A53@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:48:13 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=qnhKEFBjCTBU2FPTm8wcZDRrzuIjb2GT2VNsxWRbmdDyI--t X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was wondering about the same thing :) Does that mean you should replace the caps periodically in electronic components? I know people these days just replace their components every few years but I don't like throwing away things that are still working for the most part. Also, I have a Sony SRF-AX15 portable radio that distorts in AM mode at high volume. This is less prevalent in FM mode. Any ideas what could be causing this? Cheers. On 23 March 2012 10:24, Kevin Raper wrote: > ** > > > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Jota wrote: > > > I can't understand why the "new" devices have problems with some > internal components. > > Many of the old ones do too. > > > > I still use (24 hrs/7 days a week) the old UREI BL-40 Modulimiter (Peak > Limiter and RMS Compressor unit) which was manufacturer at 1970 decades a= nd > the only one problem I've had with it was... a bolt at the monitor output > connector!!! > > I use a BL-40 on my 75 Meter Ham Radio Station. :-) I used to think my ol= d > BL-40 was just fine until I replaced all of the Electrolytics and WOW wha= t > a difference it made in the sound Quality, > > > > I still use (a lot of times, all days) the very old Heathkit AJ-30 AM/F= M > Tuner (full vacuum tube technology) and it only has the tubes exhausted > (more than 50 years!!!) but nothing more. > > Watch that tuner, Heathkit was bad to use CHEAP Resistors that will > increase their Value with age. I ended up replacing all of the Resistors = in > my Heathkit DX-60. > > > > I still use (every time I "copy" a vinyl) my old McMartin B-200B RIAA > pre-amplifier. The only one problem we had, when it arrived here, was... > the device is intended to use 110 Volts instead the standard 220 Volts we > use here (Chile). We had to get a transformer. Nothing else. This devices > is from 1978. > > I like those "McMartian" Preamps myself. Those things sound good. > > > > Why the today capacitors, resistors, etc, are more "weakling" than the > old components? ??? > > If anything, today's Capacitors and resistors are more stable than the ol= d > ones were. Of course you get what you pay for and if you pay for Chinese > Junk, that is exactly what you get. I like NTE brand components myself. I > have had good luck with them. > > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Mar 23 04:21:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80794 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2012 11:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2012 11:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f45.google.com) (209.85.213.45) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2012 11:21:04 -0000 X-Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21so3171529yho.4 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 04:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.77.166 with SMTP id d26mr11721346yhe.19.1332501662126; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 04:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o41sm20756107yhj.7.2012.03.23.04.20.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 23 Mar 2012 04:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:20:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <32A1809C-2ACB-4BFB-A412-95B8DB6B2A53@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=GcW46LONfAbr4WcCXYZsJw59DBcXdiKwL5msi_jjgTaepcFAPJRFeIuD8Dolbw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:48 PM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > Does that mean you should replace the caps periodically in electronic > components? I know people these days just replace their components every > few years but I don't like throwing away things that are still working for > the most part. Most Electronics are designed to last about 10 Years, beyond that, you will need to repair them more often to keep them alive. Electrolytic Capacitors tend to last about 15 Years in Average use. If you don't want to replace all of the Electrolytics, check the ESR Every couple of years to be sure everything is running as designed. > Also, I have a Sony SRF-AX15 portable radio that distorts in AM mode at > high volume. This is less prevalent in FM mode. Any ideas what could be > causing this? The first thing I would check is to see of a Capacitor changed value. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 23 05:29:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75991 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2012 12:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2012 12:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-07.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.167) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2012 12:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120323072911100107200011> for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:29:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F6C6C8C.7010800@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:29:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:29:11 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120323-1, 03/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=fBUBx2FS2VBYCEb_ZM1h2kYkmUSXVE5vZ2beHcdJ-dOPwijUi4ba X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/22/2012 4:15 PM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > CRL Amigo AM > ftp://ftp.orban.com/CRL/AMIGO%20AM%20Quick%20Installation%20Guide.pdf > > Never knew they made the amigo series in AM much less AMS!!!! Absotutely! Heard one of these about a decade ago at a Madison Broadcasters Clinic and it was easily the best sounding AM processor of all the ones they had on display. IIRC the stereo 9100 had been discontinued by that time. I would definitely grab one if I could too. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 23 05:47:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55400 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2012 12:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2012 12:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2012 12:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120323074630101394700011> for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:46:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F6C709C.9020507@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:46:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:46:30 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120323-1, 03/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=jzCqHuszzR6wgKugBdliSM4tHq_a7TyEd03SkKKMdVONHKDY7aGw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/22/2012 7:48 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > > > CRL Amigo AM > > That is a 20 Year old box, and if you find one, you are going to have to > replace every Capacitor in it. If it breaks, you are on your own since > you cannot get it serviced anymore. It is now discontinued, but it was available as late as '06, possibly '08, so it may not need recapping if it's of recent vintage. List price was about $3K in '06. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 23 06:00:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40439 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2012 13:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2012 13:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-07.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.167) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2012 13:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120323080020102489900011> for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:00:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F6C73DA.7070600@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:00:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:00:20 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <32A1809C-2ACB-4BFB-A412-95B8DB6B2A53@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <32A1809C-2ACB-4BFB-A412-95B8DB6B2A53@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120323-1, 03/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=kcXb0uhxQmxP20FCsXru9r-8x7o5GUNEMAQiwTY8BiGqtNnndjrr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/22/2012 9:24 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > Watch that tuner, Heathkit was bad to use CHEAP Resistors that will > increase their Value with age. I ended up replacing all of the Resistors > in my Heathkit DX-60. I'll second that! I have an IP-17 HV power supply and had to replace several resistors in it, especially the high value ones- 100K and up. If I have to replace any more I may just shotgun the whole works. Scott Todd From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Fri Mar 23 06:05:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89514 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2012 13:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2012 13:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2012 13:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2012 13:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2012 13:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2012 13:04:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:04:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 124.168.236.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 124.168.236.113 From: "dandocker" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=s7JiGmgiDjC9SLOQpXW7M0qU3Z79YfCDJttpDhe5oKfN0hwx X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Thanks Kevin. Makes sense. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:48 PM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: >=20 > > Does that mean you should replace the caps periodically in electronic > > components? I know people these days just replace their components ever= y > > few years but I don't like throwing away things that are still working = for > > the most part. >=20 > Most Electronics are designed to last about 10 Years, beyond that, you wi= ll need to repair them more often to keep them alive. Electrolytic Capacito= rs tend to last about 15 Years in Average use. If you don't want to replace= all of the Electrolytics, check the ESR Every couple of years to be sure e= verything is running as designed. >=20 > > Also, I have a Sony SRF-AX15 portable radio that distorts in AM mode a= t > > high volume. This is less prevalent in FM mode. Any ideas what could be > > causing this? >=20 > The first thing I would check is to see of a Capacitor changed value. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 23 11:55:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18561 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2012 18:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2012 18:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.239) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2012 18:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2012 18:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2012 18:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2012 18:55:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:55:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.241.161.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.161.186 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zARFdTuNcIZFyUvEcSRMInscya1Leo2QGzKy8WX6Xv7TX1gfc9288bc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I heard the theory that if you use an electronic device everyday that you d= on't have a problem with the electrolytic capacitors exploding or catching = fire; it's after you take it out of active service and set it in an attic f= or 10 years that you have that problem.=20=20 I did. I had just purchased a Harris AM Stereo exciter - I thought I'd 'fir= e it up' before replacing all the caps first - bad idea - it did catch fire= - and it was tantalum caps, not just the electrolytics smoking! From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 23 20:54:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71433 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2012 03:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2012 03:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-01.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.151) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2012 03:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120323225353103251200010> for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:53:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F6D4551.4080205@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:53:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:53:53 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120323-2, 03/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=iEVmX-2g5CLfn45WSy9tbGjY2W7LWYoPbqHmu8cyusBoxO6wupW_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/23/2012 1:56 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > > I heard the theory that if you use an electronic device everyday that > you don't have a problem with the electrolytic capacitors exploding or > catching fire; it's after you take it out of active service and set it > in an attic for 10 years that you have that problem. > I did. I had just purchased a Harris AM Stereo exciter - I thought I'd > 'fire it up' before replacing all the caps first - bad idea - it did > catch fire - and it was tantalum caps, not just the electrolytics smoking! I tend to get rid of all the tantalum caps. If there's enough space on the board, anything from 1uF on down gets replaced with a metal-film cap. They're considerably more expensive than tantalums or electrolytics, but the thought of never having to replace them again is more than worth it. You can get metal-film caps up to 4.7u that aren't much bigger than their electrolytic counterparts. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 23 20:57:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35675 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2012 03:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2012 03:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-01.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2012 03:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120323225716100399800010> for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:57:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F6D461B.3060602@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:57:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:57:16 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120323-2, 03/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: band scan- some disappointing news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GH7hfwR8nWrK_nXCnJ8t44rJ3Q648HU217eUtWz-5B-y-38C0K2B X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I took my Meduci AM stereo tuner with me on the road these past few weeks. Unfortunately nothing in stereo to report. KLOH in Pipestone MN is no longer stereo, don't know if that's temporary or permanent. I also remembered that WNAM- Neenah WI had a big power upgrade a few years ago. Unfortunately it looks like stereo wasn't part of the equipment package. Scott Todd From dannibou@yahoo.ca Sat Mar 24 06:26:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dannibou@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33412 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2012 13:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2012 13:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.144) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2012 13:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2012 13:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2012 13:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2012 13:26:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 13:26:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 173.178.188.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.178.188.169 From: "dannibou" Subject: newbie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63822044; y=9jnwPuWKPE3enIdMDeupzvPtr7EiNqNJ1Ygi_XdAPybJAV8 X-Yahoo-Profile: dannibou Hi. New here but not in AM srereo. My first experience was in the 80's when= I was a repairman. I had the chance to repair a sony SRF-A1 walkman. The s= ound was amazing from our local station. In my car, I had a sony XR-66 if m= y memory serve me good. It was great to hear baseball program in stereo. It= was as if you were there. I now have two radio. A sony SRF-A100 and a delco car radio that was salvag= ed from a chevrolet celebrity. Unfortunately, the AM local stereo station m= oved to FM and the other is in talk format and no longer transmit in stereo= . I think I will part of these radio unless someone convince me to keep them.= Any suggestion? Thanks Danny From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Mar 24 11:35:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30199 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2012 18:35:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2012 18:35:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2012 18:35:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2012 18:35:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2012 18:35:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2012 18:35:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 18:35:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.63.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.224 From: "Jota" Subject: A little audio help, please!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pbFjZ_KQaEe9Bu1uelYYspcYzCD-jNZEPJ4pW497IoAFFGyeXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I know it isn't an AM Stereo issue but... I need some FREE plug-in (or some free software which does the job) to use = with Adobe Audition 1.5, or WinAmp, or Windows Media Player, etc. to "extra= ct" the original 4 channels from a Dolby Pro Logic II encoded audio file. Normally, any DVD player (like the standard Windows Media) should make it, = if the files were directly encoded Dolby files, but it isn't the case. Thes= e specific files are from YouTube and they are standard stereo compressed f= ile (*.mp4). The data compression process doesn't change any from de Dolby = multi-channel encoding process itself but it isn't recognized from the play= er as a Dolby encoded file. SO... I need a little help, please!!! Any idea will be welcome. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 24 19:22:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20344 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2012 02:22:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2012 02:22:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.93) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2012 02:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm23.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2012 02:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.92] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2012 02:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2012 02:22:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 887155.19680.bm@omp1029.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 39181 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2012 02:22:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aJZ7SqgVM1lhhUeU1ha3R12AYzGjgJDU6a3pWLRcnf.RNNk WwJ9.2adaaPKMb8GGS5SPowMFCa7BkaNKP13FHXegycPs321PwLLLVS1Pr0i KsvuYG0mB6Mm55m4aMbaMZu7JUir_4Tp3WAIVDMzgJ9QzIw09HcWwt9_9y.e S3iLT9Eq3kWPTpo.JRife6iVhg9ztACu_B0knsGCf49clgmZLmA8_PpNT29P nGnVVGkSKsL6oQ4ZinFQq_HdN9myB0mErimepnbYLmuI9DRNKXc9NVTd7o79 liEHzsjkOaJ4t9kwgJNesHVu8dS3xEov8JnNVR3ZW9kbB9uJt7d.ecy9z0uM v1RnUZY5MwdNyPm_A154AOFhq.ihKBPwz9FrzL6ACrZ_0T7WMDGwHoOFeb4q 2O93ucasLXW7EbDyuSfc8CNpiTwpcv9T9o4cFsxuAHFn1r5OFtncFuujgyEL OaoteljSjz6vt31fdzYNJonCEh.UDgdyusIbcBRyqS65zAZJFqhfBx.dc.Wv MLJceKX9.L6JVNH8d7Ftr_OHIg65thAsZ2sYnoDtZCyi6wFd5qzuiLgEsauP fHZ2vKjSbYrfIWor_ZGtpA0W4u7BkkE0G07EA2YvP2OAHc_sJ75avMZeqgCu Ne9GkRWjxieISX58Il1lhSKfiuQBsKO9d6krelbAHl2ZSZoXFIMyERgi1bCi nnBZ5ef.YiZJHBeYXkNlotHrJJi1ImOdxa0ma2cLoIH3xjSDiHBbUNtcpcLO Bp.p3.20vqejWNfsyvtmtUyVYvOjjoz2Lu5PA8IKl_7WJV_5ucVN7X7nLv9c sF95HIADkNQ.aXJJF7uauZceNsGWckyhN43TH8k3clAtnuocqPR1NU6vkpfd 9MRxxU2wVjGuq0SfyguG2yBP9C98O.7YOcsNrRWNepAwAXSIAMhHMc5OJKdd o9bpfUTgFL2xaV_CApFjm8vLjL0BxIglg5M8Yf5fmEEqxL6l.o0xC5qO_iQa rDVeDYguuu4wb0EAL.6U7YaZyfZGXOR8WRCMYnIzzOmjKD9HC.RcPco7qXeg SxNUOoj5xbTmQflgx2mWxMA4SlnOyJTRWpLLN1_AR1jPx9WghZHiWFQWHa7r grMRcv2ScXQKkAyo9J0yH0iMLLBwxh7cZrnzLGYkXoESFZllqswtktWdP08l tAUbeVCcQ84GzpkUNY5vzK2wAizW7aDGa6gFr1yPx3HggxHACFNq3sHynziK HPuwbKENpFyKhHNdE0aT1YrF3KdzEw0rtGyX0UtYBBErrOEuS5tO5NOM7.xR FTRWH137.u5.FqpLdZPC8mtqP4rRse1f_Yl9Ye9k_iAz1udpD2VtJOqqOpKE A_9YECxYn1DVhFUFvvb_uW5SJnECBdAzG_w2c3FS_QdbIjcVqQEOBBiH24vX JuFe46p5G3eTnKCBK4_raUq48vEyGl1YlWyjcA9F6jKblZk8qrr8.cwHBJbi 1Xa2vy9OXEnalQcxzcYlOmcT9t_s3IeouvMJUIrQdGu8Dm3_pe.nfjuknR8e 78UdqoMzmNSmYHY4wsprvVHHvr08ri0ObAHR8WynzaLEbXg1Q0d4tA3NxCiz sqvkYOJJpGtmLR6wSko50MgXr3WuNFRAd.368czYyeqdAgh4DiE9hvSYuVA6 OedUFcc3_I7Th1UNu35O0rXcfGe4bDfneb88Ke5SjUerQXCqjHXp5zSIytNy CEa6Zu5NNDX8SDIZ7eEsIlUmttGPyabf9RgHJOQkeNwWbl1E5Djr_dpv8RbS T5Pg9s_hK4KlT6pIpx_fsy00d5_vrrtZRTE3W83cHlzTXnuW3bzceyMgzCnp ii3wEYlG1ZMjvRGgPRhuyp9AGTANRS3W.JQrdTnvKKTBrvJyka.vEwTzIKmR 2SFlVoX0BaJ8_Eb4gEhXuBBRv5OIwYR9nXz7nLc1JjvXp6KOwmvrdBEE8eKm PQFQmlwithtCZNc14BIu6elxyd4j8NwU- X-Received: from [75.42.115.49] by web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2012 19:22:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1332642122.38876.YahooMailClassic@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 19:22:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=KgR5o01rHez3rcoU1IM68wJUvU4r6VjVsVhBVGD7qAKrYK01_ny8DsV3ly4j-fo23V4zEuhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dan I would keep them!!!!!!!!!! If nothing els you have=C2=A0good radios= to listen to with good audio. If you want you can buy a Parts 15 AM STEREO= transsmitter from the one and only Chris Cuff. His You Tube handell is" Fo= rtyfiveplayer" . If that dose'nt work just put in AM STEREO.=C2=A0He has a = e mail link on the site www.amstereo.s5.com . Clink on projects.=C2=A0 I ho= pe this will help you. His TX's sound great!!!! Jim Smith Loomis Ca A AM ST= EREO dry zone. --- On Sat, 3/24/12, dannibou wrote: From: dannibou Subject: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 6:26 AM =C2=A0=20 Hi. New here but not in AM srereo. My first experience was in the 80's when= I was a repairman. I had the chance to repair a sony SRF-A1 walkman. The s= ound was amazing from our local station. In my car, I had a sony XR-66 if m= y memory serve me good. It was great to hear baseball program in stereo. It= was as if you were there. I now have two radio. A sony SRF-A100 and a delco car radio that was salvag= ed from a chevrolet celebrity. Unfortunately, the AM local stereo station m= oved to FM and the other is in talk format and no longer transmit in stereo= . I think I will part of these radio unless someone convince me to keep them.= Any suggestion? Thanks Danny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Mar 24 19:32:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85401 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2012 02:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2012 02:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s28.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.167) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2012 02:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP21 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s28.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 24 Mar 2012 19:32:35 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP21.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 24 Mar 2012 19:32:34 -0700 To: References: <1332642122.38876.YahooMailClassic@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:32:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2012 02:32:34.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[89370F00:01CD0A2F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=bsf9JWMae3kMhHPB_gz4DppnA5Dp_pzMtctv9xz26Xvc X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i have one for sale here... http://denver.craigslist.org/ele/2827502363.html apsisys cquam ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" To: Cc: "jim dale smith" Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:22 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie Hi Dan I would keep them!!!!!!!!!! If nothing els you have good radios to listen to with good audio. If you want you can buy a Parts 15 AM STEREO transsmitter from the one and only Chris Cuff. His You Tube handell is" Fortyfiveplayer" . If that dose'nt work just put in AM STEREO. He has a e mail link on the site www.amstereo.s5.com . Clink on projects. I hope this will help you. His TX's sound great!!!! Jim Smith Loomis Ca A AM STEREO dry zone. --- On Sat, 3/24/12, dannibou wrote: From: dannibou Subject: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 6:26 AM Hi. New here but not in AM srereo. My first experience was in the 80's when I was a repairman. I had the chance to repair a sony SRF-A1 walkman. The sound was amazing from our local station. In my car, I had a sony XR-66 if my memory serve me good. It was great to hear baseball program in stereo. It was as if you were there. I now have two radio. A sony SRF-A100 and a delco car radio that was salvaged from a chevrolet celebrity. Unfortunately, the AM local stereo station moved to FM and the other is in talk format and no longer transmit in stereo. I think I will part of these radio unless someone convince me to keep them. Any suggestion? Thanks Danny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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I lost my e mail addresses when my other compute= r croked. Jim Smith --- On Sat, 3/24/12, dannibou wrote: From: dannibou Subject: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 6:26 AM =C2=A0=20 Hi. New here but not in AM srereo. My first experience was in the 80's when= I was a repairman. I had the chance to repair a sony SRF-A1 walkman. The s= ound was amazing from our local station. In my car, I had a sony XR-66 if m= y memory serve me good. It was great to hear baseball program in stereo. It= was as if you were there. I now have two radio. A sony SRF-A100 and a delco car radio that was salvag= ed from a chevrolet celebrity. Unfortunately, the AM local stereo station m= oved to FM and the other is in talk format and no longer transmit in stereo= . I think I will part of these radio unless someone convince me to keep them.= Any suggestion? 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If nothing els you have good radios to=20 listen to with good audio. If you want you can buy a Parts 15 AM STEREO=20 transsmitter from the one and only Chris Cuff. His You Tube handell is"=20 Fortyfiveplayer" . If that dose'nt work just put in AM STEREO. He has a e=20 mail link on the site www.amstereo.s5.com . Clink on projects. I hope this= =20 will help you. His TX's sound great!!!! Jim Smith Loomis Ca A AM STEREO dry= =20 zone. --- On Sat, 3/24/12, dannibou wrote: From: dannibou Subject: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 6:26 AM Hi. New here but not in AM srereo. My first experience was in the 80's when= =20 I was a repairman. I had the chance to repair a sony SRF-A1 walkman. The=20 sound was amazing from our local station. In my car, I had a sony XR-66 if= =20 my memory serve me good. It was great to hear baseball program in stereo. I= t=20 was as if you were there. I now have two radio. A sony SRF-A100 and a delco car radio that was=20 salvaged from a chevrolet celebrity. Unfortunately, the AM local stereo=20 station moved to FM and the other is in talk format and no longer transmit= =20 in stereo. I think I will part of these radio unless someone convince me to keep them.= =20 Any suggestion? Thanks Danny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dannibou@yahoo.ca Sun Mar 25 09:11:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dannibou@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7625 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2012 16:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2012 16:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.198) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2012 16:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2012 16:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2012 16:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2012 16:11:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:11:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 173.178.188.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.178.188.169 From: "dannibou" Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63822044; y=p4YMs46ffhjM6DFN4iJo6Xf8Hs4NHVTayz-Uidz5Y3DKX2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dannibou --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > i have one for sale here... > http://denver.craigslist.org/ele/2827502363.html >=20 > apsisys cquam >=20 Hummm! I can sell my two radio for less than the price of a transmitter. I = already have an FM stereo transmitter and I no longer use it for years now.= If someone interested for my SRF-A100 let me know. I'll keep the delco to = make some test later. Thanks Danny From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 09:41:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85107 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2012 16:41:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2012 16:41:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s20.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.223) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2012 16:41:30 -0000 X-Received: from SNT0-EAS464 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s20.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 25 Mar 2012 09:41:29 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:41:13 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2012 16:41:29.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[20EDB2B0:01CD0AA6] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=K4LblzD5f0IrsG4G9WWIiXNIBLHME-jNcgNIBMDnYm3t X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Well both the ccuff and apsisys are very expensive new and are currently un= available and very difficult to find. I sold a ccuff not long ago for 300 &= it was xtal controlled this one is pll -----Original Message----- From: dannibou Sent: 25 Mar 2012 16:11:22 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > i have one for sale here... > http://denver.craigslist.org/ele/2827502363.html > > apsisys cquam > Hummm! I can sell my two radio for less than the price of a transmitter. I = already have an FM stereo transmitter and I no longer use it for years now.= If someone interested for my SRF-A100 let me know. I'll keep the delco to = make some test later. Thanks Danny ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 09:43:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53325 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2012 16:43:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2012 16:43:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.58) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2012 16:43:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2012 16:43:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2012 16:43:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2012 16:43:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:43:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.241.161.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.161.186 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: A little audio help, please!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=j-szm8IeKOZr6zZJFmJBdGLLho2NqswC80LhKSmGVKwo3E8ikTT9in8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Correct me if I'm wrong, but you CANNOT compress an SQ/QS or any Quadraphon= ic recording into an MP3 or any compressed audio file. You have to save QU= AD recordings as WAVE (.WAV) files in order to later decode the old quad re= cordings. 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His na= me on You Tube is "Fortfiveplayer". I would give you his e mail if i had it= .Like i wrote before ask some one on this forum for his e mail. Jim Smith --- On Sun, 3/25/12, dannibou wrote: From: dannibou Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 9:11 AM =C2=A0=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > i have one for sale here... > http://denver.craigslist.org/ele/2827502363.html >=20 > apsisys cquam >=20 Hummm! I can sell my two radio for less than the price of a transmitter. I = already have an FM stereo transmitter and I no longer use it for years now.= If someone interested for my SRF-A100 let me know. I'll keep the delco to = make some test later. Thanks Danny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 20:13:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56696 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2012 03:13:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2012 03:13:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.226) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2012 03:13:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng18.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2012 03:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2012 03:13:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2012 03:13:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 03:13:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.48.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.34 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: A little audio help, please!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=DlTwH2DgRV_n3qFcS7BgTlMpibjX9eG335ngpcWuxrJaxAOuFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but you CANNOT compress an SQ/QS or any Quadraph= onic recording into an MP3 or any compressed audio file. You have to save = QUAD recordings as WAVE (.WAV) files in order to later decode the old quad = recordings. > Hi!!! We had a very great earthquake, again!!! Not to huge like tha past Feb, 27,= 2010, but it was around 8 (very great movement and noise). Thanks God, we are absolutely fine. Just some minor problems (electric powe= r lines and cell phone networks down for 2 or more hours). If somebody wants to know/live a serious earthquake, just come to my beauti= ful country!!! HAHAHAHAA!!! Seriously, SQ and QS Quadraphonic Vinyl recordings were, basically and esse= ntially, standard STEREO (two separated channels) which had 4 different spa= tial audio sources (Left Front, Left Rear, Right Front and Right rear). The way the systems mixdown the 4 original sources into just 2 final channe= ls was a Quadrature (90=BA phase shift) trick which can be "decoded" with t= he appropriate inverse Quadrature trick. In that line (which is also absolutely valid to Dolby Pro Logic II) any STE= REO digital format file (WAV, MP3, etc.) can be used to encode and decode t= he 4 channels (despite the kind of data compression you use). The only old 4 channels system which you can not to use here was the RCA Qu= adradisc System. Those vinyls had a real full separated 4 channels on it, s= o you need a not cheap circuit to decode it and, when you get the full sepa= rated four channels, you have to "encode" it only with some full separated = 4 channels digital format (WAV or AC3). But... in this specific case, you can download the STEREO signal from the Y= ouTube video and decode the 4 Dolby Pro Logic II channels, IF YOU KNOW THE = EXACT ENCODE/DECODE PROCESS. That's my problem!!! I know the SQ system but I don't know any clue about h= ow the Dolby system works. If somebody can explain it for me... I'll appreciate the help so, so much!!= ! Or... If somebody knows some free plug-in (which works with Adobe Audition,= "preferentially") to do this job... Any data will be welcome. BTW: I'm talking about the last KCJJ Quadraphonic recording file. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 06:06:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8480 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2012 13:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2012 13:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.99) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2012 13:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2012 13:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.84] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2012 13:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2012 13:06:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 295801.56363.bm@omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 48876 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Mar 2012 13:06:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZVFsi2kVM1kz3Viswr8siqEEafemoGTcxq9XXSd8MhN_cj_ J_udyf.hQvg.sn4FrQ_zmuiH.J2XM5aEpgOTd7Kf5J1sTkpG8e3gMjKWCK_y mW5fqHy67_AdbOoQPbaGSt7LglcNfE7.cIO9R_tjSYQ6SOIXcsh0bP0I7mqI FybEnHeiZ9j2cuI_01k6Fzu09pNj2ygBuUqZ_joVQcAP2.3nFWovMKCPYPqy _sLAGUiIWKgi_3fPWpJOybdtPzsCq7fVOKWOB_FKDyZm2Q6N114lJFIXduNE 0Y59VjrlTzvVYrW1Fe24W1H6tkMSMK9QKT6PoRdUylJaChS2IroxZRqJPjWG k_hluRwiyIc1UPs_6vI1rs9zs45bVsq.POASuBEG9OERwDe89h9RVWCEu4t2 Wf8f5594O.NPaFd7BFLmaxyjP0x2YlhMt4qqSNWs959pXpShGR0xL8MdZQSg K3gQJctRVPS.Ik7KaG8Pbq3yKm1_WWn9b9mNRiQFag0a33D8HkUnSD2AD8Q5 z73JYIKWvu_wZuxpx6XqCk_nZIBpQKeugAYno4Vhq8Y_bELtokPUXU_H138Z z3KGVrp9_ArNNLUplRGbtM.82_M855AlzDByw3WjSIjnmRH8ZNIEVM5A0luY Fc35h8KyuQWdfuANpfY5_F9HxZrM0KAgZNRv5Ev1Jc76FnofXkyLh7M8Kdcj wxgHnQof6Zg6Nc3w70RD4PcTImLT3GroUydb5ZDZzYBqbI9q1UnpkUKZP3E5 ZWunvJybFHeMjUg40OA7K60QJSjgGaCGQe2dw95bigUNhGE7mlHnmPkzwLkt 3L1cUmkR9QDnlWFUG0HjS70MWU.njOzcWTROWcJlZHgfnFle2vPgm9J..XHs vW9_qvHkKkQ5M6CYHqD31OO5uEwrJtWvldp7_9omO3zwUOCv6sTo0J_oXa35 EL1N8.xcuiznWlOY7C2ZxgsO0cqvKxJn8M0pRX6ntL6fYI1oEjcgd6PUcCU7 qXjPgKxdyIvU2UiA4aG0_n7Lc1EVDqbd47ov8POTnFvd_G1YeF5HY7bkawID lIKj6H.yFW9b_nJ7dZtN0zp_OxOLnro0aT.Mxpa.fj0jH58aPwVGPUjT1FTn HRQggodYRqjiDVcZnf750oamr1wP9HQSn_uUgwF0Ip4buko.Gesv42DIaGAU oOMerSkNjkVUzkEUHyPUhxr118yfoQ5c3wWTrRWTRBMp6oKoiFrGbycoIrus 0143wTjAbohBLRa10ikLMeYAOKqTCW5bC81Ec2ibryUAxuerz1uvoYU87OMd SRvnYblRoOE585dyXoqGJrmWUlX.8HkvgZYKbg1iI499TGxhsaJaOwC6Yhut WmgxHg0Zr7bXfpPQ1Pg5uf6692fNqqE.FshL35_GG0qeR0EHL7J0SZuH5OuF 0Qy_qeWdGijsspw2ghARCIwDG3ldZ2dv9LYysbE8OOpfCE7s3FYWPk5mr4bj VlISow5jtnWEPn4ckw88.5kICMTuqDH9UMveH3WPa27HhKAaSMpex23mAZZI uMOp2ABF1uV2yHvx8EziXuuzRPsTI7rPI_TggrRFxiayJgpt4.BaCjAc2gZT hbljYvztUw6Vxt0odnT7t0ED5jDXopuL5LMzG10yydKq0Ph.1j.Opp_O0Fks a.bo9Wljk5F6ZKQV_uqT1E4PMm00ScariUXAJT8NXov_Q7k_SSQiwN32PC8U t.pmHZTKPGDSCWn0vgR_6OvUBcY9yNBuwvgXQWtafniSfgku2p0djScXbTzr TAE0Lf6TGuiQ3c_SaaCALPmhz1COitXSqtreNjswDryj3Dv8NsQol4g5_bk_ 7ZUGoB4P_y3VaPCitX59X8R1zm8Pw3l3GpiP2Z2Ipch1_BjgKcJljAEdirQr MA7ywX9UhyEWz0A-- X-Received: from [75.26.53.56] by web83814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:06:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1332767170.47256.YahooMailClassic@web83814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:06:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Ac-DBLTetQqe69sUCOQR2xow8t0jXecOC2lzCLKCPomTL_SHOSP-EmfZu32N6BIItljYcopr X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dan=C2=A0 I had found Chris Cuffs e mail.Its =C2=A0amstereoguy@hotmail.c= om=C2=A0. I hope this helps you Dan and others.His TXs are cheaper and thay= =C2=A0 sound very good. His Tx kits are $75=C2=A0and his pre bult TXs are $= 100 and his TXs with box is $125 .Its to bad that Kevin has not updated to = his new e mail=C2=A0in the projects area on his site.All have a good day. J= im Smith P.S=C2=A0 To find him on You Tube put in "am stereo transmitters" --- On Sat, 3/24/12, dannibou wrote: From: dannibou Subject: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 6:26 AM =C2=A0=20 Hi. New here but not in AM srereo. My first experience was in the 80's when= I was a repairman. I had the chance to repair a sony SRF-A1 walkman. The s= ound was amazing from our local station. In my car, I had a sony XR-66 if m= y memory serve me good. It was great to hear baseball program in stereo. It= was as if you were there. I now have two radio. A sony SRF-A100 and a delco car radio that was salvag= ed from a chevrolet celebrity. Unfortunately, the AM local stereo station m= oved to FM and the other is in talk format and no longer transmit in stereo= . I think I will part of these radio unless someone convince me to keep them.= Any suggestion? Thanks Danny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 07:22:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89782 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2012 14:22:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2012 14:22:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s22.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.224) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2012 14:22:04 -0000 X-Received: from BAY0-P5-EAS63 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:22:04 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:22:02 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2012 14:22:04.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[D16E03F0:01CD0B5B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=lffRx7B_T2Wq7W3wN4fTrHqy3FDb_g1z1TN9nqEvXe4K X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd He is on Facebook too. last I heard he liquidated all the remaining ams TX = on Ebay and was no longet making them -----Original Message----- From: jim smith Sent: 26 Mar 2012 13:06:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie Hi Dan I had found Chris Cuffs e mail.Its amstereoguy@hotmail.com . I hop= e this helps you Dan and others.His TXs are cheaper and thay sound very go= od. His Tx kits are $75 and his pre bult TXs are $100 and his TXs with box = is $125 .Its to bad that Kevin has not updated to his new e mail in the pro= jects area on his site.All have a good day. Jim Smith P.S To find him on Y= ou Tube put in "am stereo transmitters" --- On Sat, 3/24/12, dannibou wrote: From: dannibou Subject: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 6:26 AM Hi. New here but not in AM srereo. My first experience was in the 80's when= I was a repairman. I had the chance to repair a sony SRF-A1 walkman. The s= ound was amazing from our local station. In my car, I had a sony XR-66 if m= y memory serve me good. It was great to hear baseball program in stereo. It= was as if you were there. I now have two radio. A sony SRF-A100 and a delco car radio that was salvag= ed from a chevrolet celebrity. Unfortunately, the AM local stereo station m= oved to FM and the other is in talk format and no longer transmit in stereo= . I think I will part of these radio unless someone convince me to keep them.= Any suggestion? Thanks Danny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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So if 10 poeple ordered than he would do tham. Or = work on one that some has all ready has.=C2=A0 That was as of 2 - ! - 2012 = Jim Smith --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Robert Chrysafis wrote: From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 7:22 AM =C2=A0=20 He is on Facebook too. last I heard he liquidated all the remaining ams TX = on Ebay and was no longet making them -----Original Message----- From: jim smith Sent: 26 Mar 2012 13:06:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie Hi Dan I had found Chris Cuffs e mail.Its amstereoguy@hotmail.com . I hope = this helps you Dan and others.His TXs are cheaper and thay sound very good.= His Tx kits are $75 and his pre bult TXs are $100 and his TXs with box is = $125 .Its to bad that Kevin has not updated to his new e mail in the projec= ts area on his site.All have a good day. Jim Smith P.S To find him on You T= ube put in "am stereo transmitters" --- On Sat, 3/24/12, dannibou wrote: From: dannibou Subject: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 6:26 AM Hi. New here but not in AM srereo. My first experience was in the 80's when= I was a repairman. I had the chance to repair a sony SRF-A1 walkman. The s= ound was amazing from our local station. In my car, I had a sony XR-66 if m= y memory serve me good. It was great to hear baseball program in stereo. It= was as if you were there. I now have two radio. A sony SRF-A100 and a delco car radio that was salvag= ed from a chevrolet celebrity. Unfortunately, the AM local stereo station m= oved to FM and the other is in talk format and no longer transmit in stereo= . I think I will part of these radio unless someone convince me to keep them.= Any suggestion? Thanks Danny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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(VPS 120326-2, 03/26/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=yrQVGkrL23GjeZs_xispkwSbFTnmLbAi7-pmPjCr-vzq0Fc9mhEl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/23/2012 10:54 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > I tend to get rid of all the tantalum caps. If there's enough space on > the board, anything from 1uF on down gets replaced with a metal-film > cap. They're considerably more expensive than tantalums or > electrolytics, but the thought of never having to replace them again is > more than worth it. You can get metal-film caps up to 4.7u that aren't > much bigger than their electrolytic counterparts. > I forgot to mention I use the Wima brand MKS metalized polyester caps. Those are the only ones small enough to fit. I get mine through either Chris Electronics or Mouser. 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To tired to write. Jim Smith --- On Mon, 3/26/12, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 4:15 PM =C2=A0=20 Hi Last i looked on You Tube he would do a order of 10 other than that he s= aid he would not do any. So if 10 poeple ordered than he would do tham. Or = work on one that some has all ready has.=C2=A0 That was as of 2 - ! - 2012 = Jim Smith --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Robert Chrysafis wrote: From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 7:22 AM =C2=A0=20 He is on Facebook too. last I heard he liquidated all the remaining ams TX = on Ebay and was no longet making them -----Original Message----- From: jim smith Sent: 26 Mar 2012 13:06:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie Hi Dan I had found Chris Cuffs e mail.Its amstereoguy@hotmail.com . I hope = this helps you Dan and others.His TXs are cheaper and thay sound very good.= His Tx kits are $75 and his pre bult TXs are $100 and his TXs with box is = $125 .Its to bad that Kevin has not updated to his new e mail in the projec= ts area on his site.All have a good day. Jim Smith P.S To find him on You T= ube put in "am stereo transmitters" --- On Sat, 3/24/12, dannibou wrote: From: dannibou Subject: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 6:26 AM Hi. New here but not in AM srereo. My first experience was in the 80's when= I was a repairman. I had the chance to repair a sony SRF-A1 walkman. The s= ound was amazing from our local station. In my car, I had a sony XR-66 if m= y memory serve me good. It was great to hear baseball program in stereo. It= was as if you were there. I now have two radio. A sony SRF-A100 and a delco car radio that was salvag= ed from a chevrolet celebrity. Unfortunately, the AM local stereo station m= oved to FM and the other is in talk format and no longer transmit in stereo= . I think I will part of these radio unless someone convince me to keep them.= Any suggestion? Thanks Danny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 19:05:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63003 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2012 02:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2012 02:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.83) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2012 02:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2012 02:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2012 02:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2012 02:05:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 743872.78044.bm@omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 58428 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2012 02:05:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: esTsKd0VM1lWPCYQy01R1.Xr9SOLXOeI2EaF2iMuuA7L5T3 9m_uuv240zMN2Gv8BeiVl9Q5vVoJHi_L0R.IoRLcK708gHF3BkxHbGqyTVi_ OU9ZFV6w5Q4x5nO1CottlgZuLsiSSXuRIYZsOwUZD25vnDY0znANJO9lSIf2 fEls6icp3fwBI1YKJy31uYp9uJxIJA_7AcPx.HMsPcIhw4JURTemFSA.9fvx 6dd4Gl2R95rrI.GMWWSIKOMXh4VqIX8cfudMEOzoIGYKTpYKDRJBRu6BNm4g pJqi.pa6y_dkgxhq74XGkTCBXvEwVk9HPKtX_zeoZ1EC1MFtGLXrcp0ajevl ut2z3QEQ7tr8vAJmqraQ8pEOHhxD4J52QiavV_9wn5riMeLvVDJJpCr_mGOU 54ncBEpP1qkXa_4rq4EI3XJUf9P7sRHdjNzL80Y8TxV3BicVD3V2YCmKi_Ln 8sT.kv9dT4AL5ncJmvUEW2eUVpwz0tJqRrmQdS5Vf0QClHNQBL8ZfdxaYFGi VV0img2fD_epLcAqAuFzbjJD.4GKmu4oMkGu4tAVAUuscP4ZEC1_MXL1CTid bogMIF6DrSvc80HVX9p3zCz8NNKFGjHDdGciUFPLqV9lKgil.6Skr_y4Zxhv ijNWijHp.LMXuyPVyo7VDIt_dHilBwOcTFvnv6lX_5vQRV7H8.iUg8nuPICZ SfMdNdSDWLd0_KI5ubycUP.GVKelRKp4IcZTOzLUuPooW8iV9KGI.gDDrHjs pUUSu3AdfBTltx5HDnQ4rmU9vXHtzFNwvVGZD6GKH.VcsADkFR_Ez8Tgr6wd z4LVBhcZQkw.nsfOP8uy5.NeffwIjm9T8sGpAa6vDVAcSfUqjLvGvARtmtwA 3nsXeVuUM2QK.LUJeiVbsB6d3mN4.IzhVwmcxc9wXvEPWSBSPW_ikF6fCDoh 4tzOERRyCDcfAsVNnbauAnsB9_MtPxJf4NiVpAARkRQbGVrN9PMy0X4tpH5M C3CdPNLaaT6U4qEo8H0PMeQdbVMyVP5dVevkKj0N8BarGNBS45jsJya2QJgw XA8d.tSpFJeIBXxg2kpPwGJmuxZ4CJvB5bkSOZ50FsDo9Bsp4uo1sPrkxT2Q 9EMdMWxTVZCEKQ8w4YCZmHVFKPoPBrmXEZPg7VPhY3AVodgVUWMUv1wKyxrH vivnt9qe0AT3j8DYQOkKK_4TutVmhi5zw4IiaLGWD1pxZS8.HjqcYYs5Be7t paJYP_iJJubMX1.sATsmgAJp2Zihys7eX5a1fdp1Lic66rpPzE3HsoU8uqdT x4KqCIuGDiSrhS3i53wrqZEGNuo2sr0YOf6.svfqEA8CMnIlQLdkmO0Or_C_ 1n7Z8iPYQGEDTNdUMMaX2Ps.s1YqAnIXsDW0boya1kTLFqHSWmS7LvPYDK6T Kksl9T1Piah92jcd7ptXzzhy6iRrIdf42qbZ6xS2_BvI1Ivs3WgukpXaCk4T GxVu6JvecnGtMznPoO9oAtumFWGraiGCaXaEYtYpvWiPFYX652Rv3Sw_OVs. 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The prices i posted are right. He will update= a TX that some one owns. He is only doing 10 TX boards at a time because o= f the cost of plateing them. Jim Smith=C2=A0 --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Robert Chrysafis wrote: From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 7:22 AM =C2=A0=20 He is on Facebook too. last I heard he liquidated all the remaining ams TX = on Ebay and was no longet making them -----Original Message----- From: jim smith Sent: 26 Mar 2012 13:06:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie Hi Dan I had found Chris Cuffs e mail.Its amstereoguy@hotmail.com . I hope = this helps you Dan and others.His TXs are cheaper and thay sound very good.= His Tx kits are $75 and his pre bult TXs are $100 and his TXs with box is = $125 .Its to bad that Kevin has not updated to his new e mail in the projec= ts area on his site.All have a good day. Jim Smith P.S To find him on You T= ube put in "am stereo transmitters" --- On Sat, 3/24/12, dannibou wrote: From: dannibou Subject: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 6:26 AM Hi. New here but not in AM srereo. My first experience was in the 80's when= I was a repairman. I had the chance to repair a sony SRF-A1 walkman. The s= ound was amazing from our local station. In my car, I had a sony XR-66 if m= y memory serve me good. It was great to hear baseball program in stereo. It= was as if you were there. I now have two radio. A sony SRF-A100 and a delco car radio that was salvag= ed from a chevrolet celebrity. Unfortunately, the AM local stereo station m= oved to FM and the other is in talk format and no longer transmit in stereo= . I think I will part of these radio unless someone convince me to keep them.= Any suggestion? Thanks Danny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Thats why i posted his e mail.Jim S --- On Mon, 3/26/12, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 7:05 PM =C2=A0=20 Hi I will try to wright again.=C2=A0 All i can say is try the e mail link i= posted and see what he says. The prices i posted are right. He will update= a TX that some one owns. He is only doing 10 TX boards at a time because o= f the cost of plateing them. Jim Smith=C2=A0 --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Robert Chrysafis wrote: From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 7:22 AM =C2=A0=20 He is on Facebook too. last I heard he liquidated all the remaining ams TX = on Ebay and was no longet making them -----Original Message----- From: jim smith Sent: 26 Mar 2012 13:06:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} newbie Hi Dan I had found Chris Cuffs e mail.Its amstereoguy@hotmail.com . I hope = this helps you Dan and others.His TXs are cheaper and thay sound very good.= His Tx kits are $75 and his pre bult TXs are $100 and his TXs with box is = $125 .Its to bad that Kevin has not updated to his new e mail in the projec= ts area on his site.All have a good day. Jim Smith P.S To find him on You T= ube put in "am stereo transmitters" --- On Sat, 3/24/12, dannibou wrote: From: dannibou Subject: {AMSF} newbie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 6:26 AM Hi. New here but not in AM srereo. My first experience was in the 80's when= I was a repairman. I had the chance to repair a sony SRF-A1 walkman. The s= ound was amazing from our local station. In my car, I had a sony XR-66 if m= y memory serve me good. It was great to hear baseball program in stereo. It= was as if you were there. I now have two radio. A sony SRF-A100 and a delco car radio that was salvag= ed from a chevrolet celebrity. Unfortunately, the AM local stereo station m= oved to FM and the other is in talk format and no longer transmit in stereo= . I think I will part of these radio unless someone convince me to keep them.= Any suggestion? Thanks Danny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Mar 27 06:05:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76425 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2012 13:05:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2012 13:05:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.143) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2012 13:05:20 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP72 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:04:47 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP72.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:04:46 -0700 To: References: <4F6D4551.4080205@usfamily.net> <4F70FCF6.8030002@usfamily.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:05:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2012 13:04:46.0697 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F5DC590:01CD0C1A] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=yZoa7Z11tleIwRtdiKsfCj-L-C3VD_E75WRwVZZwz7qS X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd is there a replacement or upgrade available for the optoisolators/couplers used in these old crl boxes? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! > On 3/23/2012 10:54 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > >> I tend to get rid of all the tantalum caps. If there's enough space on >> the board, anything from 1uF on down gets replaced with a metal-film >> cap. They're considerably more expensive than tantalums or >> electrolytics, but the thought of never having to replace them again is >> more than worth it. You can get metal-film caps up to 4.7u that aren't >> much bigger than their electrolytic counterparts. >> > I forgot to mention I use the Wima brand MKS metalized polyester caps. > Those are the only ones small enough to fit. I get mine through either > Chris Electronics or Mouser. > > Scott Todd > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Mar 27 06:20:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8063 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2012 13:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2012 13:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.174) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2012 13:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP82 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:20:56 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP82.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:20:55 -0700 To: References: <4F6D4551.4080205@usfamily.net> <4F70FCF6.8030002@usfamily.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:21:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2012 13:20:55.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[70D3F8D0:01CD0C1C] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=URlF_6H201E2pq9Ny3kY1ztMn4jjbxcohV2kMPpKN0IP X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i got a sage eas box from another engineer it's self contained endec and relay. i for the life of me can't figure out what is going on with the dayton deck. it's not a loose solder joint. i may ask willie to look at it and ship it to him. i put a bunch of gear up for sale so i can finance that FIM and would like to get a Decade MS100B certified FM. it's balanced input and is right at 250uV/m @ 3m across it's tx range and is in a quality metal casing. but they are 515.00 shipped. i'm also investigating a procaster as they are balanced inputs can now be modulated to 125% pos and you don't have to fumble with input settings and calculations. i am quite surprised i still have my RE27N/D mic's i would have though both would be snapped up as quickly as they were listed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! > On 3/23/2012 10:54 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > >> I tend to get rid of all the tantalum caps. If there's enough space on >> the board, anything from 1uF on down gets replaced with a metal-film >> cap. They're considerably more expensive than tantalums or >> electrolytics, but the thought of never having to replace them again is >> more than worth it. You can get metal-film caps up to 4.7u that aren't >> much bigger than their electrolytic counterparts. >> > I forgot to mention I use the Wima brand MKS metalized polyester caps. > Those are the only ones small enough to fit. I get mine through either > Chris Electronics or Mouser. > > Scott Todd > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Mar 27 06:22:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15598 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2012 13:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2012 13:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.153) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2012 13:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP45 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:22:50 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP45.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:22:49 -0700 To: References: <4F6D4551.4080205@usfamily.net> <4F70FCF6.8030002@usfamily.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:23:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2012 13:22:49.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4842870:01CD0C1C] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=3LXDRD6xUeRt1gkxXrql6BpXo5xkceCbU7DN4YWErTN6 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd these are suppose to be going offllist to scott. for some reason they are not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert P Chrysafis" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:21 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! >i got a sage eas box from another engineer it's self contained endec and > relay. > > i for the life of me can't figure out what is going on with the dayton > deck. > it's not a loose solder joint. > > i may ask willie to look at it and ship it to him. > > i put a bunch of gear up for sale so i can finance that FIM and would like > to get a Decade MS100B certified FM. it's balanced input and is right at > 250uV/m @ 3m across it's tx range and is in a quality metal casing. but > they > are 515.00 shipped. > > i'm also investigating a procaster as they are balanced inputs can now be > modulated to 125% pos and you don't have to fumble with input settings and > calculations. > > i am quite surprised i still have my RE27N/D mic's i would have though > both > would be snapped up as quickly as they were listed. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Todd" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! > > >> On 3/23/2012 10:54 PM, Scott Todd wrote: >> >>> I tend to get rid of all the tantalum caps. If there's enough space on >>> the board, anything from 1uF on down gets replaced with a metal-film >>> cap. They're considerably more expensive than tantalums or >>> electrolytics, but the thought of never having to replace them again is >>> more than worth it. You can get metal-film caps up to 4.7u that aren't >>> much bigger than their electrolytic counterparts. >>> >> I forgot to mention I use the Wima brand MKS metalized polyester caps. >> Those are the only ones small enough to fit. I get mine through either >> Chris Electronics or Mouser. >> >> Scott Todd >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Mar 27 06:33:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4616 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2012 13:33:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2012 13:33:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.150) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2012 13:33:08 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP101 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:33:08 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP101.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:33:07 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:33:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2012 13:33:07.0618 (UTC) FILETIME=[2531B820:01CD0C1E] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: equip fs - trying to finance upgrades X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=a9-US3cGNlMXTqT0pVzDcNgNv2LT0kfZ2_QDNNb-jPDn X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Well I'm trying to finance a Nems Clarke 120E (AM FIM) guy wants $400.00 and a Decade MS100B (certified p15fm tx) these run $515 shipped as a result i have the following for sale two RE27 N/D $350.00 ea. plus shipping (take both for $570.00 shipped conus) 1 Shure 545SH with boom $100.00 shipped conus 2 Tascam Decks 122mkii and 112mkii $150 ea. shipped conus CRL SEP-400 $400.00 shipped conus BiAmp 10 band Stereo EQ Rack Mount Balanced I/O $150.00 shipped conus Ailtech F230B Audio Function Generator $150.00 shipped conus Aspisys part 15 AM CQuAM transmitter $300.00 shipped conus (balk at price if you will but with the unstability over there can you trust ordering one from greece?) LPB FMS-2000 Cable FM modulator $400.00 plus shipping cunningham cm3050 with spare tubes and manuals (needs repair) according to an engineer friend it's an easy repair. it's an issue in the final rf stage supply path. will send all relevant correspondance to aid in repair to buyer $400.00 plus shipping prices don't include shipping (unless stated) and some prices are negotiable. Trades Considered: LPB Solid State Carrier Current Tx, AM FIM, Chez Procaster, and Decade MS100B (US version) usps money order preferred most items ship usps priority insured Contact offlist thanks, robert From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 29 16:05:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1361 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2012 23:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2012 23:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2012 23:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120329180434100566000011> for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:04:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F74EA78.8010603@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:04:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:04:34 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4F6D4551.4080205@usfamily.net> <4F70FCF6.8030002@usfamily.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120329-1, 03/29/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZqE9CIAYqmmQiZDoUGlBwk1mVPjdnwCLHEpYBSP6IP01tvy_73RX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/27/2012 8:05 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > is there a replacement or upgrade available for the optoisolators/couplers > used in these old crl boxes? > No idea- I've never had one open before. The folks on the regular broadcast boards would likely know. Scott From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 29 16:16:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70671 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2012 23:16:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2012 23:16:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2012 23:16:55 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120329181629101489400011> for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:16:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F74ED44.1000500@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:16:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:16:29 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4F6D4551.4080205@usfamily.net> <4F70FCF6.8030002@usfamily.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120329-1, 03/29/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QRrShoGL8aKBlwTkvK1TzOHnTMR8uWs7OLcZQCVH8EU9N2_sy2il X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/27/2012 8:22 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > these are suppose to be going offllist to scott. for some reason they are > not. > Looked at your equipment list- there's no way you'll get much of anything for those cassette decks. The SEP 400 is overpriced as well. Scott From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Mar 29 17:09:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5530 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2012 00:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2012 00:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.145) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2012 00:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP70 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:09:34 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP70.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:09:34 -0700 To: References: <4F6D4551.4080205@usfamily.net> <4F70FCF6.8030002@usfamily.net> <4F74ED44.1000500@usfamily.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:09:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2012 00:09:34.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[62F17BE0:01CD0E09] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=TIUhZOnYkM-minBGxgl-bWAu_zlCcuDjO2fsDs5bKAAv X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i got one of the mic's sold (guy is sending USPS MO Friday), so i'm getting my FIM, I still need to get a Decade MS100B, and prefer a Late model Procaster, or iAM with External ATU than i'll dump my rangemaster. it's been years since i was selling bcast gear, especially processing. was going by what the engineer i got my FM CRL box from told me. tell me better prices. i only need to come up with $515 for a Decade shipped. i'm going to bypass the mpx genny (run mono for better snr) in crl and just use the pre-emphasis and limiting. i may have the Apsisys sold. only deal killer may be that he might balk because i'm staying away from accepting paypal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! > On 3/27/2012 8:22 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: >> these are suppose to be going offllist to scott. for some reason they are >> not. >> > > Looked at your equipment list- there's no way you'll get much of > anything for those cassette decks. The SEP 400 is overpriced as well. > > Scott > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Mar 29 17:14:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89391 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2012 00:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2012 00:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.143) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2012 00:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP50 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:14:44 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP50.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:14:43 -0700 To: References: <4F6D4551.4080205@usfamily.net> <4F70FCF6.8030002@usfamily.net> <4F74ED44.1000500@usfamily.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:14:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2012 00:14:43.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B805730:01CD0E0A] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=So0AVxKCiRTPMfbOAF28N6104g8crpkfYs5acnhalKSw X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i could not find those connectors but got a SAGE EAS which is much simpler in design. uses left and right in/out and relay is built in and uses 1 pheonix connector for Rx deck interface. i'm going to have to send the dayton off to be repaired by someone as i am out of clues what might be going on with it. thought i had the issue fixed but it's popped back up again. might try to talk willie into looking at it for me. i'm getting close to getting station online though. would like to find a LPB rf amp deck to feed my panasonic cquam gen into or if i find a complete lpb c-c tx i will use the ax-10 for stereo. i'm worried if i fix cunningham elisas grandbaby might grab one of the high voltage lines that are exposed and get zapped. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Want!!! > On 3/27/2012 8:22 AM, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: >> these are suppose to be going offllist to scott. for some reason they are >> not. >> > > Looked at your equipment list- there's no way you'll get much of > anything for those cassette decks. The SEP 400 is overpriced as well. > > Scott > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Apr 06 07:14:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25380 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2012 14:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2012 14:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.116.33) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2012 14:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP105 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:14:03 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP105.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:14:02 -0700 To: , Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:14:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2012 14:14:02.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[84A7A560:01CD13FF] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.116.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: for licensed hams living in hoa's under ccr's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=kG4bDY2FWG8r3jziJzSVo4mZH-qgCsrH4ChTMCE3jV6F X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd now is the chance to nip this ccr hoa antenna issue in the bud. fcc is taking comments on the issue. http://www.arrl.org/news/view/fcc-seeks-public-comments-on-emergency-communications-by-amateur-radio-and-impediments-to-amateur-ra From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Apr 07 14:00:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50184 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2012 21:00:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2012 21:00:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.55) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2012 21:00:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2012 21:00:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2012 21:00:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 21:00:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.59.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.6 From: "Jota" Subject: A technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=QRcPTVyISp6ylAm1C-3NkqyQfNTElGao3SONd4Ue9aZuYZ8aOA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! It is intended to all brilliant brains of the forum (hehehehe!!!) WHICH IS BETTER? (or What would you prefer?) 1) To put the AM transmitter too close to the antenna base (very short RF c= oaxial cable) and far away from the final audio studio (very long shielded = audio cable). OR 2) To put the AM transmitter too close to the audio studio (very short shie= lded audio cable) and far away from the antenna base (very long RF coaxial = cable). Any idea will be welcome. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Apr 07 14:11:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73434 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2012 21:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2012 21:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s4.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.206) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2012 21:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from BAY0-P1-EAS67 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 7 Apr 2012 14:10:44 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 15:10:41 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2012 21:10:44.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[E56FCE00:01CD1502] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: RE: {AMSF} A technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=SdtW7yzT3QIIJVYNnQWaPeelwR3bTWrqEaZVPdwYtz0g X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Close to antenna so long as balanced audio setup is used. -----Original Message----- From: Jota Sent: 7 Apr 2012 21:00:54 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} A technical question Hi Gang!!! It is intended to all brilliant brains of the forum (hehehehe!!!) WHICH IS BETTER? (or What would you prefer?) 1) To put the AM transmitter too close to the antenna base (very short RF c= oaxial cable) and far away from the final audio studio (very long shielded = audio cable). OR 2) To put the AM transmitter too close to the audio studio (very short shie= lded audio cable) and far away from the antenna base (very long RF coaxial = cable). Any idea will be welcome. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 07 14:51:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68227 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2012 21:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2012 21:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2012 21:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120407165043100305500011> for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:50:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F80B6B1.1000005@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:50:41 -0500 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:50:43 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120407-1, 04/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} A technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=SEtpSe4IYr0UeNoBw31a7s_2-TkkPt1iQ-tr-hqkoCu38e4HChQA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/7/2012 4:11 PM, Robert Chrysafis wrote: > Close to antenna so long as balanced audio setup is used. > At several bucks a foot for transmission line I'd have to agree. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Apr 07 16:10:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17774 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2012 23:10:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2012 23:10:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f177.google.com) (209.85.160.177) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2012 23:09:59 -0000 X-Received: by ghbf11 with SMTP id f11so1977722ghb.8 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.166.2 with SMTP id t2mr626720ano.28.1333840198643; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.5.135] ([64.134.191.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b4sm18930990anb.22.2012.04.07.16.09.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:09:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} A technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ovjpJUlBYk7H9KGSViixhMg_u1pknIO92Sw7ZVbSfNkprLepII2zrdqQOI4XrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Jota wrote: > WHICH IS BETTER? (or What would you prefer?) > > 1) To put the AM transmitter too close to the antenna base (very short RF coaxial cable) and far away from the final audio studio (very long shielded audio cable). How far are we talking? As a General Rule, the transmitter is better off near the Antenna. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 08 07:33:01 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83745 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2012 14:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2012 14:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.200) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2012 14:32:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1333895578; bh=9xEClgpzQzMI3VG96xV9/J6j0cYttHPFLToKS+WX0vU=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KdZefqODTWsal96nNmPXMyxsfyhAh3xUvrjf6z4cdqYLITNGYmDK2O8Uk2xNZWw2DWmQ4Jy2zSm8k+IS+oTXPIod/Hyf/Sfm2tW5NCR8ctYewx4ZnMzB3ss9OFM1sf+D Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2012 14:32:58 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2012 14:32:58 -0000 Date: 8 Apr 2012 14:32:56 -0000 Message-ID: <1333895576.14003.78597.w12@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/KCJJ_-_Maroon_5_-_Misery.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A smash hit by Maroon 5 with the voice centered in the right and the bass/funky guitar on the left and the percussion in both the left AND the center, noticeable during a dull in platform motion, heard in a Montreal suburb with some splatter from a nearby local two channels away on 1650 kHz... Enjoy and tell me if what I heard was true stereo or just a shift in platform motion with a misleading stereo-like feature ! Happy Eastern to everyone ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/KCJJ_-_Maroon_5_-_Misery.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Apr 11 09:25:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92419 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2012 16:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2012 16:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.155) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2012 16:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP159 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:25:46 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP159.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:25:45 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:26:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2012 16:25:45.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF63CAE0:01CD17FF] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=KKKK27PyxtjDTPKHXSe4zc3gzW5jlcC2w8ypAOZJRQPK X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd they going way of lpb inc? sent several emails over last few months never got any replies. womdering if they are becoming or have become a dead company? 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Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=WgNEyCOFKzFY2GXmDYk--FtxVKMhxUDaSOUxXGyD3JM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't he on this list=A0 ?? =A0 =A0 Powell =A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: they going way of lpb inc? sent several emails over last few months never=20 got any replies. womdering if they are becoming or have become a dead=20 company?=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Apr 11 10:41:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99997 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2012 17:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2012 17:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.143) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2012 17:41:36 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-P2-EAS5 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:41:16 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:41:11 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2012 17:41:16.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C070340:01CD180A] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=dxcSAu82WuVNFU2cgyTENZxEgIyKWOlQc3vwGIB2BZc6 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I thought he was but I never got any reply from him. I had sent him emails = numourous times as I had some money to spend he never replied. So after a m= onth and three attempts I gave up and just decided to post here and se what= might be going on -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III Sent: 11 Apr 2012 17:28:39 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? Isn't he on this list ?? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: they going way of lpb inc? sent several emails over last few months never got any replies. womdering if they are becoming or have become a dead company? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Apr 11 14:14:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96872 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2012 21:14:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2012 21:14:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2012 21:14:12 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3BLE9Mx010926 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:14:09 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.5]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 01F56E000085 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2fb29.16573da.3cb74e1f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:14:07 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491684032:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c4f85f420442b X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=TuBuFxc9_mwAzh3jua0yftMWgaJ2_qMVCDEFeg040YEUVKku1bAi X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I am sure Sotris still reads the AMSF postings. He replied to one of my questions back around March 16 when I had inquired if anyone else on the list was an owner of a Carver TX-11A or TX-11B AM Stereo/FM Stereo tuner. His return address on the list was : pdmtr@yahoo.com Also I was able to reach his company at : info@aspisys.com 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 4/11/2012 1:41:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: I thought he was but I never got any reply from him. I had sent him emails numourous times as I had some money to spend he never replied. So after a month and three attempts I gave up and just decided to post here and se what might be going on From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Apr 11 14:17:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85445 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2012 21:17:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2012 21:17:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.145) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2012 21:17:07 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP196 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:17:07 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP196.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:17:06 -0700 To: References: <2fb29.16573da.3cb74e1f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:17:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2012 21:17:06.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[7281A570:01CD1828] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=PUtNWrx1RriJcOPsCclFIihOKY45X90_rhP3c3UsrYHf X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd had quite a number of exchanges with him then all of a sudden poof. no more replies. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? >I am sure Sotris still reads the AMSF postings. He replied to one of my > questions back around March 16 when I had inquired if anyone else on > the list was an owner of a Carver TX-11A or TX-11B AM Stereo/FM Stereo > tuner. > > His return address on the list was : > > pdmtr@yahoo.com > > Also I was able to reach his company at : > > info@aspisys.com > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > In a message dated 4/11/2012 1:41:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > > I thought he was but I never got any reply from him. I had sent him > emails > numourous times as I had some money to spend he never replied. So after a > month and three attempts I gave up and just decided to post here and se > what might be going on > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Apr 11 19:33:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44048 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 02:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 02:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 02:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3C2Xcrc024834 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:33:38 -0400 X-Received: from core-mrc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.185.81]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 564DCE000085 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4ec18.6b6e0b03.3cb79902@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:33:38 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:388502304:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4f863f021ec2 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=h84tXzo1hLb6l2lcAONQUafP9spCHl2SzFdp1v58XNtkkIM4ts5QyTPJo2ZleRgt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/2012 11:25:54 AM Central Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > they going way of lpb inc? sent several emails over last few months never > > got any replies. womdering if they are becoming or have become a dead > company? > LPB was a great company. Ludwell Sibley wrote the book on carrier current broadcasting. Literally. The relaxed licensing standards for 10 watt educational FM licenses doomed AM carrier current college broadcasting. Like so many companies that were once leaders in their fields such as Ampex, Altec Lansing, even Sears Robuck, the world changed but they didn't. The mighty dinosaurs once ruled this planet, but couldn't adapt to a changing environment, so they perished and are no more, Clever man, Charles Darwin. He figured out how the world works. I fear aspisys may have fallen victim to U.S. and E.U. regulatory authorities or simply a bad economy. Things are rough in Greece right now. Pity. The Greeks have been a noble and brilliant people for over 2,500 years. They deserve better. Western civilization owes them a great deal for our art, philosophy, and science, not to mention baklava. Did you know the Greeks not only knew the Earth was round more than 16 centuries before Columbus set sail, but knew its circumference within a couple hundred miles? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 11 21:56:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47254 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 04:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 04:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 04:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 04:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 04:56:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:56:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.30.67.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.67.62 From: "jim smith" Subject: Has any one herd from Jeff Deck? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=dfhBPgEh2BCZVEFM56QzCd60Gp0ATHBOZ_vH3CYf5oeqNXmF99Etj4YtpuUHVvVoSdI_tOVX X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Has any one herd from Jeff Deck? I know he has some helth problems = . I hope is ok. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=P1a-7Z5uY-cF2Z0ML9FFME81Hvs9sq0ZZRf69uCXWZsLmIw X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, =C2=A0 I'm also trying to get intuch with him, couse I need an AM stereo transmitt= er of 1 kW CQUAM for tests with a mobile am antenna, here in Sweden. Even looking for CQUAM recivers and get some contacts last evening from Tur= key wich got an AIWA pocket with extended x-band 1611 - 1710 kHz wich can b= e great ot low power tests. Aspysis got a LP 15 wich can run 15 kHz audio i= n stereo. The x- band is great for tests in am stereo, 15 kHz audio. Awaiting more responses from Turkey about this handheld pocket am stereo. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Robert Chrysafis Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: onsdag, 11 april 2012 19:41 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 I thought he was but I never got any reply from him. I had sent him emails = numourous times as I had some money to spend he never replied. So after a m= onth and three attempts I gave up and just decided to post here and se what= might be going on -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III Sent: 11 Apr 2012 17:28:39 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? Isn't he on this list ?? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: they going way of lpb inc? sent several emails over last few months never got any replies. womdering if they are becoming or have become a dead company? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Apr 12 03:01:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54436 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 10:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 10:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f53.google.com) (209.85.213.53) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 10:01:40 -0000 X-Received: by yhjj72 with SMTP id j72so1134337yhj.40 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 03:01:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.82.134 with SMTP id o6mr1486741yhe.51.1334224899488; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 03:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t43sm21424856yht.11.2012.04.12.03.01.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Apr 2012 03:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:01:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1334211227.49123.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1334211227.49123.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Gp3DqlLM6DM3goFeF4_lYdFmGQXp-Qo6Fda-ldFl1RLlOiPiCeS1sRTmdByrjA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:13 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > I'm also trying to get intuch with him, couse I need an AM stereo transmitter of 1 kW CQUAM for tests with a mobile am antenna, here in Sweden. Roy, You may want to look at the BE AM1A Transmitter. It is a 1KW AM that optionally comes with a C-QUAM Exciter built in. I have one as the Aux Transmitter at WLTQ AM 730 and love it. http://www.bdcast.com/products/details/a-series/am-1a 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Apr 12 05:40:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62024 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 12:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 12:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.69) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 12:40:10 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 12:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.240] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 12:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 12:39:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 474102.86775.bm@omp1005.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 64825 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2012 12:39:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ubZsav0VM1kaKLgfjYRpxJuh1OMHVFwudjrX4BMWPr8hCO5 Bt5C9nhD9RD2UcEUikQBfj1cFWUATajzCjTmdZWF_VQlIpuiygBN6reyKu99 P0oYgbJkga5zT3UcP6_MuHQri65iqAXjR5SrtrqrqHMMTH30iDwt21wHQzfc kxmEAUoxHiAXGDNgpQ4Gvfi41KVKJA9t7qnu6XfMFtb3Yxt5thgizZLAOqKc ofsgS.ByyVZDoMWvmeNhq4vCdG20TjF9Dqohl_zfXTqjbe2pd1hGzAC4UyAx 3Ir64Uxhr6YV.7usKmkQ.u3euxJPtQcaDOUy0p6tY_zFkT3_uIGUvPFAMmoK 5tGoVBvX_OTSjrvFIkIxnQaWGG.HGf5p5JIoxkbBq_Sg3MJ7XM94mdq3Lifc rNJ9MhqLOOdDqnr6hLyus9JlG10MZylxSJZpDh12PngJ_dtYto20_xLGQP5h zor3N4G3vG40qfL0aJvbVFSZP8nQoZbA_qroXCEQ3zpOqS4A0MjSnymA6ivW WZmIqd_xIZejgOPwc1QY88u4CBC1onG4yAtzIKscDINrx2VH0hZefgZvLgfD Nhp52sKRZy2vNH3Vfd3jGLfKFa5DA5k0HhIZ12dfeypPIuTl6yAydKXpbgNK YHwULVPBIPrR4l5Xs7DVBDYWUSZf4Va5LKcSB_njWY5M2RkMghhpCJ8Wyk4Q X8j2L_XFnRAipmhbthv0eXkN1MYkJRHiYrduYuSZop80EElMS28IF_ZJA.xk 01wNAKNBEwnK1vb4DzXTrM4eiUI.AKSmsHHGKS0c_3xf6DLoOIjtlfa0A4DA BByCQ7z46g9rey4iI9TX2DyI5p9VHqIYXiHxJ3a__NfGyo7T_1l0tqBckdW9 LUev1A_4v2Ey561wmNbLe3FeG45XJlnkCr9lfot85xB6mZSJ_5HwkNVVRATY 7tryeOq4YF7vBPlNzUCZww3W1n0AFX3m1.1.xXe5PI5VyGKWPJQVxTCSlvE7 9OgmDcwOwq0RzAr_PcrTzJJnMxWQRI9k5SN6OVE6ELqbUO7nNEXg5GWWMRz. j37zwPh4xL6SuAbVuaYAEkBHL9tjt7Blp.VU0LXqeXEpgXvoAzy_ADUaH5hU 5KmbJ3eWNduVgV3nOgrGhwIsVuIfkv3Z1BRQg0tRLyqgxiqhqEPu3oyzrxz2 dqsmQqJCVosUFjj_wXyf.3wTtoveAhogVO5myW4.39XmwxbsjoCLXV2r6odA MTh5Xx4TVI_bpRVtkOwqoQ08lK2O6L20oMgV68zozdZZnPFdYnVCbaM.LmPI K3F0oNd1uUQjzbymL.Bgdbh1ac0NDRkb82IO0nrbit5VFYml3MS93EnnaX8J 6aYBryNHMPwd0utYc5Lj.Mwjn0wHEDIVW5LZkt.XgaQhgJcdtvtvI2TTDYAo ByrdAjrAMX.5TZxe2.6XhYvzk6_eARfhy4Ci7NC8C_HSmoymQ.YKEEJYe0ui Cs9uc2NRPdvtMQRLNWdy.wosjJq7IyvmIVKWIBcPzU6ioztOfRcd9udFDdG4 eRKOCn6BG_OjQre7Fy_pj3_UrW6ddy8jvLpj3WEJTJPI0AxIjuLz26M2BK5L d2LdSuQBysg38_59LbBMo8pRQFEeCAPW6PFiEPYMyF7vj2z1RQ1yWV9gej1i 9yeUchl_hYtyobUXcNQhekDy1NyHy.9Pi1PhUrOaGA7aPcrlyVQW3SZH5I9j CUBsBZU7U7JZ7L81Fi7u6ELWRZFs9Y9KIXcUaMRYOod8j_LOxu9QcniXVuRA ia3.gzFKhdv2hO1geuszAps807JEQCbDGTl_ATWnMwbhQnKJQjuZ8QY4- X-Received: from [46.195.35.133] by web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:39:53 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <1334211227.49123.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334234393.64755.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:39:53 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=tXgo3lSG8jPKP8UY6heXvJNvUZFIouTzmwWVh674haCFONo X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks =C2=A0 Roy Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: torsdag, 12 april 2012 12:01 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:13 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > I'm also trying to get intuch with him, couse I need an AM stereo transmi= tter of 1 kW CQUAM for tests with a mobile am antenna, here in Sweden. Roy, You may want to look at the BE AM1A Transmitter. It is a 1KW AM that option= ally comes with a C-QUAM Exciter built in. I have one as the Aux Transmitte= r at WLTQ AM 730 and love it. http://www.bdcast.com/products/details/a-series/am-1a 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Apr 12 05:40:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46758 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 12:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 12:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.95) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 12:40:49 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.48] by nm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 12:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.134] by tm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 12:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 12:40:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 609694.41907.bm@omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75794 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2012 12:40:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NIB4M40VM1n5FxmAI856xwHOj1vLsCbKEnAlCzF1f1A2j8W DMIFKN6EqlWwBB3ZRXYIlR_lxZXfTyLas6kX.oAnMWwgj2A6EURyt.kMbILU aMcb.XtS1gqjqCk2EaTgCovrDiU8pv5ciaKh9S09DaQvWARgTwWKCEPiIcWf ZAi9_cwtiEgjn9PpwBQizc9HVRl_gtSSB90x2rJNNiPFr5JiXjF_6XTUg0hM f2YzgeySBvxEtNzI09N1cl8sJI__4C270ek.D1l6jdvX7sNLBDmQ_pFG7DKw rwBA7l3k7afTuEWBYGL8cuVejgwKz8kDLxGuVDIWy.Nyc_rT6Syqo03ZAaOY bhgYlsRCIqzHTTD4ds.ZTCdT12oQBPs4kHN.ITWN92S8QoBUDdnZOiCHDk9Y XBtGHsnL_M.N1rdSS9TE0M6kKxtw5xjV00_KwNXpCG.JzQUi6r2e..WpfkJJ eP6860fYWFhJ1Xkn86X5HtaCk8ISFTl.Q.OlGi2X9KA6TMrnOtdr1mhopJK8 lEMPqnBbLnQwpNTBDuKPUJhlwJeAc_kv3uLe4erOVEZ3oHtmJFmjnN7ZgjYF XkX8t_C.Bn5Gs0GXN.XWWz_fZbFQXl7OppHKzG87iBepZ2NTtzpVClt0_1tr _BligjTxCLil0Y.SOWb44UZ2pFl18Ec8LGy5SEf_PdNIDirlO68Kg5RjQWRT h0iXsl.uEnh8nPr3.lTauIxj_GG7QeKJ0Q3Vxv0W75qjaeKIO.T_pNBJw6Oe nl6UJrFcTaSummvDfr2b_L4zy76nGciyRQVVLkQQcwvEqCbtzjVDqN5puOJV HJgLl5U5B8_uxJsoAdN8vL0hzJbWs6KZbEOHq1RFYjOPyqBNqmD4bfKQGkM4 nGrVpBwWhlIDD7L1xzQzT5CKKcfmGWLX1mO9Y68WAzRoZrKIs4Lg1nXUGy7O cX2sLPs6_tXNAXWij1Px6lrX_q74rDg7fkaqMHX5P5ereiA37FSX471s0xgK csCTqFhB0mnRSUs9jkmNmCD0uiJ.zPRxGaBpyA2pMVLc7BQliCNRMN5OBlcH aNIrnebg7xD_Jz15LdNAoDBTH3TT2l.c5ozy5kHS_lk0r0aGaHQPRgzHk6.5 Ql8jLO73RGgdvk_ZXmuxyLpCZjPQhsFpROHhirVh3gIH0RB09TD0zSmUmlOb u.Sug.0Xv.LQlcJcMaZZNJGwj4nzKpFc_mQzZpqF6LLyh2TBz4ajcMIkWTp1 1v5bITT2gL5pViQ2p_p8t.IMcY.5geNN5hP55l1SO7TXoM9dzxtDzrxwfp2J Epr4OdZGduKi87_w6S5rLx_1DNKcjMLM9h5i30joxXFKaGe1.lprCZD9Hnyd tuy5NVcubgZR_DERcsC_rBMvTkICSi8tfyA3c.MmaeO7X3YHWyyfYeGReB5m I0qO69iL0J1qtBd2brO6kPCarbly2wVKN8u2g5j60loMCvhSEOEAEv_ZxaNE dj7_UuN6xJ8lazmmMRhWh0xH93apcayyylUDihsp7HN6C.56WIIc4rrSyORW SLBOkkWCHAXAnADaXcATXwGCYy0hWAe2FetdJ6MuOtJ04tQQUb768coS7eai qXpwvg64Hqq3sYcu6KF7CIQX85FREtx94rrRciGMutZu.ZTjBQJWFhGlRzzk eXtSOSla2NlE1njDxeNq_NOT74WOpNqiwm5Z4xZU6hB6ZYBje6tq5ZbdiZT2 T3Up5nS36ZBsWvIVsB4_kyRO2rVp3bEHZ3ARPR46RTb8hrfE6Ep2qc5LLSKV gIlgmAjWtw54CVwz6iT0dgd3PXutJqUfkzJkLKZ63ASe5nqq_1mOEuFg- X-Received: from [46.195.35.133] by web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:40:48 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <1334211227.49123.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334234448.69750.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:40:48 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=46xS9dUC6yD08xnXWA7qjJA9a2Nhpa5UnDjyZy_bOj8hRHo X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks=C2=A0 Kevin Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: torsdag, 12 april 2012 12:01 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:13 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > I'm also trying to get intuch with him, couse I need an AM stereo transmi= tter of 1 kW CQUAM for tests with a mobile am antenna, here in Sweden. Roy, You may want to look at the BE AM1A Transmitter. It is a 1KW AM that option= ally comes with a C-QUAM Exciter built in. I have one as the Aux Transmitte= r at WLTQ AM 730 and love it. http://www.bdcast.com/products/details/a-series/am-1a 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Apr 12 05:55:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82716 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 12:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 12:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qc0-f172.google.com) (209.85.216.172) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 12:55:39 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id q13so1460997qcs.31 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 05:55:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.174.1 with SMTP id r1mr3771479qaz.20.1334235339000; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 05:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y13sm8014471qac.14.2012.04.12.05.55.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Apr 2012 05:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:55:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1334234448.69750.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1334211227.49123.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1334234448.69750.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <82026AFD-6099-450A-9BB1-7288C1B04BC4@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ad3-GaCsOrNlMT-YPSLmuh4GYe3w4kOioaVNJhYY6iZ406VnSEhP4vhRNvjoiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Thanks Kevin Yer Welcome. The BE AM1A was the main transmitter for about 10 Years at WLTQ until we bought it and upgraded to 5KW. Looking at the records from the Old Owner, Clear Channel, that transmitter has been reliable as a Rock. We upgraded with a Nautel XR-6. It was a bit of a problem child while we got the Bugs worked out, but now the Nautel is working out good. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Apr 12 08:48:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59088 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 15:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 15:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm24-vm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (212.82.109.197) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 15:48:01 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm24.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 15:47:59 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.132] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 15:47:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 15:47:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 619025.17247.bm@omp1037.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 24154 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2012 15:47:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wDLyOYcVM1mvAvnAVfJxwtGiCPbuOm8jx7PWBj1D8428zBb 6K5wunEd3nchhqMUWFeRCQLUubCqx.wyFL5_tHZmF4t9wAm3f9Wtkoj4HJVs 6sN2lZBOmHMf4qjfBGerAEKenU5WVcFp6JxkBAUQRStGw0S_Mf2YVSROr3Cp Y0HewHiQ0Wq0y8BXHOjImUOzr2lOeioyOUViyo3ELbbhWlTc3VoA6_Y9uQ4e vREyrFLXpCWh0.5Te29P0iEQJcSJIgUaurZLI3wNIKScM1g3P1y86SqLUTvb rtESSNlcqnja0RIGZqhZ4bojyEoSMDCfvExLBA4HqY0yAF7taPmCsX06hUw6 OradE8vIqxyDA4jjh0zOEoW53N0VlEOeTatbt3CVIe91M9EI1o4bYXhLfHI9 e15FmrbjEPaFZDbwXCDYHbAfeKvMxMsel9ekr_pTpSiSc9paH56bM935BGzg cPTxzEUdmgaZEanTvexDTGR2ANGL6jgta8AIZXgmokFwSLtdPRZJKWzre9M2 Y7LfyLaVTQ1aaB6SGgaARtdLB4iB6mC31h45FsMV492ws4UpjTuMDEuA57wY RjIgzyu6rtc5oBHRofPzefU9W7tYOXxAtkO0bRwxh3RPt4gu97kQfd9LgUeC T2u_MwHPUatr0eAhw.HFNpCD9u3e_sWbzMA6eDno9cIG8Yvt939vgsm.z98t q4OR4rOiLE_93DbbsRLS20IM1OHYzPmHYSgQI2s0mvyX0k_ZdFxQ430ouhih wWapQvV6.Y8jDIokiR4tFHd655J.igXtIfshIVrFKpqUbg_JeBUea0pRBJwS OKEUjOurAog.mF.1Y6Ql71AZOL3ehSuJGQrVZMwQhy5h2y5pjpNbzbDb744l rNZ5NMnm0ep_7XwaRBp4_SdiuL83zOb7ZpJ190M0jsB072Wtcb6JUEqjdnmt VRqonjfnJrtMEtXYXowTTouZuTkumKSiMwUnSp6aZLP.W9HZsfSBMwtY5V65 yZFVOXfCa5dGYvJ.5ZqCbV173mvznwZGNyq7f8JI5qYuTtTdhZcwaCLG87cg WLFULqy1zLBreQSd_enO_GA91lqBpBqO4FX9yFtw9JBHr29mHAgE8ZLfineD 7pT_xRVSShumFw6UOzM_c3PhOMZ.k6q7Ir03tS2DeIEGsXA9RMsF4sZkj9CO g6gROiPyyk2RZddw000lgwHH4Ux.2sEkQg31fx1.a9Xjs0aX3paNE9I4qI1D VuedmOz90385sNoFOKIhUUrDU.KDKv8liLPeFLguLvO86.5g37RNQnEO6Oko EH8qGf9HUPbJIJ_2ZNu5gCepSyHZRqtDMBGSU1xriiFzb5y0maRUfZcxbpGj NvqZeIdbpW6JkfrnDBDKBELF2vObYwV9X4vcjADvLegTGM6oyGUrvkHZB2pu OgjCu5otoQwAvGJRceGRptVPmGKR3j.n6bKROMslIyJDAouFdYiUdKp2zPx5 iRnS9fsxBL6hwltbg1i2pkbdZcOFb303xIhdAQDWHx2lvicPRGeSLu2eSnbD 0vtadmMzEsALwCe7WlLtz6PkuVGEMLb2KZ51Wrw1wY9yItEPCP8NL3IaE7Lc QgImaU4PBBhgsbiUZ6R0qk2fw4ExvptNUGN.ToyFyycElM7zkbb4Zj47jKDU JmxFUFvQUHzJWpSJGHIwW6B1r1xLhZL5LRfprMC.CFqcDRrfaH9g358tQVh4 UHb6mudnoKU5lj9pDKZg3fGN9aB77CroSQTUMEcAj X-Received: from [46.195.51.108] by web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:47:59 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <1334211227.49123.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1334234448.69750.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <82026AFD-6099-450A-9BB1-7288C1B04BC4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1334245679.22186.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:47:59 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <82026AFD-6099-450A-9BB1-7288C1B04BC4@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 212.82.109.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=Q5tQz0fw_X03s3z2C_31vqj60dK3dRBOH-J2PHsV3L5xZhM X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, =C2=A0 i was also looking for the=C2=A0 part15 tx from greece with am stereo and 1= 5 kHz audio to my tests. An AIWA pcket radio aviable from Turkey with am st= ereo and 1611 - 1710 kHz and capacity of 15 kHz says the seller. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: torsdag, 12 april 2012 14:55 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Thanks Kevin Yer Welcome. The BE AM1A was the main transmitter for about 10 Years at WLTQ until we bo= ught it and upgraded to 5KW. Looking at the records from the Old Owner, Cle= ar Channel, that transmitter has been reliable as a Rock. We upgraded with = a Nautel XR-6. It was a bit of a problem child while we got the Bugs worked= out, but now the Nautel is working out good. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Apr 12 08:57:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83234 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 15:57:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 15:57:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f182.google.com) (209.85.213.182) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 15:57:05 -0000 X-Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so1307692yen.41 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:57:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.9.35 with SMTP id 23mr2610225yhs.41.1334246223968; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t30sm24589762yha.5.2012.04.12.08.57.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:57:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1334245679.22186.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1334211227.49123.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1334234448.69750.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <82026AFD-6099-450A-9BB1-7288C1B04BC4@gmail.com> <1334245679.22186.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <76348D73-1207-49BC-B0D1-AAC566F3717D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=dlzNp45TgnOVvDPkkgjAyBOYDaK4CP2V1W9jlBhb7ek3v05IsQxwpec6sbSLaA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > i was also looking for the part15 tx from greece with am stereo and 15 kHz audio to my tests. An AIWA pcket radio aviable from Turkey with am stereo and 1611 - 1710 kHz and capacity of 15 kHz says the seller. Chris Cuff, who is also on this list makes a C-QUAM Part 15 transmitter for about $100 Dollars US that works great. A friend of mine has a couple of them. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Apr 12 09:43:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12497 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 16:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 16:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.196) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 16:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.233] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 16:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.254] by tm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 16:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 16:43:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 419404.83446.bm@omp1019.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 21662 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2012 16:43:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: L57yl84VM1nbwQ5PUf4Grc35vhnhRKkDbofuPbr1PlPTyNG mctRrCluog8HwXHEt7wS1UFNLnd7b_FrDaMX_zJaw4tHYG915Cc7ME88dY.X pmoneO9Fwf9G.xyTxEI_wfOLKEqoYxAwYDSUoSJAddvq8eWqTp6sibvD5E1h TOisUCh.9XQkxNKAEONsQtZXzi..AtwituCjXGjqBazJfUTesFhXTW1x.K8a ysfD_qCaQWHasqRW.OAcfUN9LNy2n8jSEWfUuEy2f2gDp5hNyu6KwR4sXgro F9bSffz.wn.F1qvoDoisFF58CTyMww6eLF2BT2Wb9xo8uyaO6W2pk.D82dm_ U.BH8fE8YNs3Wvgswgbp7U_TCgKJm_C.o.C.ASY7rH1coxoKYGRj3T7LA1Bb ObnoBz2BUpaA5ginUOiccmgQKoakBqSKYeK83d_X3AHBdI6aj7V1AmLrtdkP UUeH.C7u6GXQuYMTHWzBUBeam.24QeKSrXFiFtV7QQ0eDnt6Wi._Dt6jqlwT xc9XZGLHp_e370UmryAbuk.0Iy6RUYcbWngLfjrodYd.tY1yHOM7_gPKT3Ey Rfq3fxwiOTRDLqZDZ0F04_mNf2pXSQazGUwprMzkfmS7dqjtkZyUed_V2LtC tq1FgYiaOeHna5dIqGsUR1Kb.pZuxCNimn68RKsOWUez3DoFs0Sfn1lgYHi6 D.2Cx7tkR.W8JJlEXhLtyQY1kxDxw0na82e8kKA.6wTylmAcYCA35I5qRSo6 j01YbfX7Sfs3FRGDi6Qs79Ii1LHXSAG5HjOzH7L8JDI627yaThkcYn07ADPO ljCaY0MsdvHiKsVMnG9DnnCS.BLmSTurAUFGbnjvnAPjG2z5m0_Mq88Dus1c 8lRTiT8wS3PkLhXpZcaWHApVIej1mTGWtSPh_Z1bS1TV_5M5ZIYVw61xcBLo bPj_k0DIAfCwBmKNHpzNqcfoPyq5LdmcA0iQfxqmAL2AatAD21sW1T3i2wL6 h6Y1V3R8BFJoQI_jGLLSQH6eiFxY73GIPxHLJXxMmDAACbNenOdgyvZBVre2 FkMZJiQ3QY2dk1C6q8gvwaTH3I1pQhcrZRAAz20xqsF6i9dNE67TY0T6meWI QbUW8e3rJtFPTsEDnmZVH_ofUQ09LGZ_feez4GfX1nZtcGq9i3B98SpVbklr fHPRq6iGl1TsCb0fM92PYGYI_8pMdd_isIIDGesH6aSkUUVapZzh3x8AQRxP mxGDF2BnrXtyNPZ4PlWhxQV0xyEhjHJvcyEviiLm_N9ZDKhRCzSEbrujLUzY NjL0lKqQ2uWHD6A_EADUWGulkcLDXcuFNx1Gpr1Fh_cGX0nrfakJc3eKpo._ qO0YIyW62nQ8T849EJkVoKtWSye7DddhdqcNMTdRW.INT10pars9pl0zv2L8 7UYYtNSG0Jz2ByJbkEBpQe9tgR5VbAkrAAWgedylPJ9s8RQAz4MY.5AX_SWl bH3b88UuCnLKFs.uiqnVhyiSx7Q9EyLEsoYiSjxtLoKbVEGGP6Ljei_3kTTo v9lhH4S9KPsTtFAZLzrtaLzQPBMzzTWl9xC36taYT2vjgXxluLvZCq1NX0bJ BeHZWVbmYzHjPDniHtMjO3iAHwzOg5Z03x5KszhR3GTKR.Zz._D54E4xkiOR pYiW1FEXRAHLGZ4_R2EXghF9D9dO_RqVPF9SboyxSeKoCFPCWN9bJWrfUX95 v4MX5hVuAqBT57lfTGbsoHd1MPju2hBO.Ycja0Kz0 X-Received: from [46.195.51.108] by web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:43:20 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <1334211227.49123.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1334234448.69750.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <82026AFD-6099-450A-9BB1-7288C1B04BC4@gmail.com> <1334245679.22186.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <76348D73-1207-49BC-B0D1-AAC566F3717D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1334249000.2303.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:43:20 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <76348D73-1207-49BC-B0D1-AAC566F3717D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=2_Cc32IMb793LaDqvBfFfGbSeTi8fZPnl74wd8uRuKGxb4w X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The pocket radio from AIWA CR-D60 is aviable in Turkey, am stereo, but can = it handle 9 kHz steps in the x band??=C2=A0=C2=A0 15 kHz audioresponse??? I= can get it in 10pacs. How do i find Cris Cuff's am stereo tx and can it in= crease power more than 100mW?? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: torsdag, 12 april 2012 17:57 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > i was also looking for the part15 tx from greece with am stereo and 15 k= Hz audio to my tests. An AIWA pcket radio aviable from Turkey with am stere= o and 1611 - 1710 kHz and capacity of 15 kHz says the seller. Chris Cuff, who is also on this list makes a C-QUAM Part 15 transmitter for= about $100 Dollars US that works great. A friend of mine has a couple of t= hem. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Apr 12 09:59:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73814 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 16:59:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 16:59:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qc0-f175.google.com) (209.85.216.175) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 16:59:08 -0000 X-Received: by qcso7 with SMTP id o7so1387194qcs.6 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:59:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.135.208 with SMTP id o16mr1320643qct.120.1334249947695; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fo9sm12637782qab.21.2012.04.12.09.59.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:59:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1334249000.2303.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1334211227.49123.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1334234448.69750.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <82026AFD-6099-450A-9BB1-7288C1B04BC4@gmail.com> <1334245679.22186.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <76348D73-1207-49BC-B0D1-AAC566F3717D@gmail.com> <1334249000.2303.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=pW8Ip2hHOwujCPNFT_T9yTrhWekBIGp0DCoi7c9D8Z0PNiYYTDJJxzucJKDEhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 12, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > How do i find Cris Cuff's am stereo tx and can it increase power more than 100mW?? He is on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003062301575 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=6HSNahPYBt-92RszZqMC32BXQ17_St705sDoGXuvevqIy8U X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I did messaged him allready Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: torsdag, 12 april 2012 18:59 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On Apr 12, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > How do i find Cris Cuff's am stereo tx and can it increase power more tha= n 100mW?? He is on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=3D100003062301575 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 12:25:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97642 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 19:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 19:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.74) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 19:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 19:25:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.52] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 19:23:51 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 19:23:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 887131.76512.bm@omp1052.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73176 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2012 19:23:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2LVBisUVM1kwCQTg2PGX_MvM7MJ0MA.Q3GAcvkn.mhm5OZW F0s1N71UAAaf_tdpviFd20BvtdnBvQQROZQApQbWRx4yyoPhFUXiPk66Bitk mwY8zpzltoxJJHCVFq3PauaiIZBCnv.tWA2Ln.GOLk2FFwuwK.ZhXsc3bI8w le1y5PnmyDAd2G3ps0GtGPHeJE6FUxCJMkBZFL0RUju_cQcVTjlRfuDnVX1q oJLrcbMzYjD4opI3mTth391sQ1zFYMYWQ2MgA00fBtWsYKuuBrY8HRWcNejV Huy823VukzRrGRnIG2R81ofu7rr6D7pY4.KQcmnAkbbMsn4VbSToiexj1JzK lT_J2UPCLHMPs9XA5fOtmOniNBTE7YPTYBH5FFgG0IMXhqDpr22WDAdwhn.c T3jZdlo6BXC2iukmdIHJFwqBqtHG85oGjLPrwYZc9Y6M12TAqqJSYG65vLcA 0rtrvCw5fcFo2XekSUhI66EovDrraF2jXuQzOAGtpuNU_3uyEUWc- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:23:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1334258631.72591.YahooMailClassic@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:23:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76348D73-1207-49BC-B0D1-AAC566F3717D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Chris Cuff's AM stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=gJ_zzvvarGRaJEGFxojhboYExWe8iERYl8hT_gM4AO4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He said some time back he was making no more of these.=A0=20 =A0 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 4/12/12, Kevin Raper wrote: Chris Cuff, who is also on this list makes a C-QUAM Part 15 transmitter for= about $100 Dollars US that works great. A friend of mine has a couple of t= hem. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 13:09:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69947 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 20:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 20:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.148) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 20:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 20:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 20:09:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:09:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1334249000.2303.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} AMS Radio; was aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=rxUeJ1tYWvtYsyeodnw6MN_CM7l3taTzlcP62svO21irYEAe0KbhLpg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio There was a Sangean SR66 or something like that, but it used an oddball Mot= orola MC13024 chip and the frequency response was more like 7KHz and it was= analog tuning, so steps were no problem, but it was designed before the XB= and and built on the cheap. john From acq@videotron.ca Thu Apr 12 14:42:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8039 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 21:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 21:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 21:42:56 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M2D0055RYZFTHR0@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <54120E10D6EF42BDB5110EDB0BD3B952@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1334258631.72591.YahooMailClassic@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1334258631.72591.YahooMailClassic@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:42:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: The reason why AM Stereo failed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=2VmXrKlrj7taWDCJoS2zmsS9hJWGP7zLpwI4egBI5gZh_T_wdwiDbJ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to all of you ! Just got back on this messageboard a few days ago, the best messageboard related to AM Stereo on the web, and I have several topics of interest including one big discussion. Why AM Stereo failed ? 1) Not enough boomboxes like the Sony CFS-6000 and the Sanyo MW-250 on the market. 2) the Sanyo MW-250 only had a Wide filter for stereo reception, not good enough on interference-ridden broadcast reception, and, unfortunatly, the Nor filter was just monaural 3) the Belar system was the ONLY system which provided distortion on monaural AM signals which would have forced purchasers to buy AM Stereo receivers, unlike Motorola C-Quam, Harris P-VM, Magnavox CPM and Kahn-Hazeltine that did leave monaural AM reception on their outlets unscathed. 4) because in some case, the sound of a VERY strong signal is slightly better in AM Stereo (especially C-Quam, at first it had a better frequency response than Kahn-Hazeltine, despite platform motion) than FM Stereo, it would have been wise for some engineers to place music in c-quam and news on regular FM, even if monaural 88-108 FM - it would had been ideal for us AM stereo hackers 5) to developp a compromise between Harris and Kahn Hazeltine, to deal with platform motion and stereo separation, because C-Quam had it`s own drawbacks or maybe: 6) to wait until 3rd generation Motorola C-Quam chips are available to make AM Stereo public, why not ? Just food for thoughts ! By the way, as I`m writing this, my Sony CFS-6000 tape machine is GIVING UP, it has worned out several empty Maxell and TDK C90 audio tapes (I`m still playing with those)... If anyone has a Sony CFS 6000 or even a Sanyo MW 250, I`ll be glad to buy it or to exchange them for MP3 CDs or audio tape recordings of C-Quam groundwave WIRY DX or KCJJ DXing or even WINY (I have a couple of very short WINY and WBLQ airchecks and likely some CFCO). I will post a few short ones on the files section of AMSF to show the stereo separation on this radio... It is still EXCELLENT, better than the A100 (for me) as a radio, but the tape machine has worned out; this is what happens when you live with persons, especially friends (less with girls) that are narcissistic and are breaking autistic person`s hobby objects, because they are closed-minded and narcissistic, like the ones at Lisette Dupras. The worst is that the Sony CFS 6000 is almost impossible to find, EVEN on Ebay. I had the Sony CFS 6000 boombox with me at CRDI where it got severely damaged, then it got repaired, but the scotch worned out and something on the tape side still need attention. Now, it is a matter of luck, if the tape gets recorded with good, medium-Fi sound (or occasionally Hi-Fi at noon on WIRY) or AT ALL. What am I doing right now is that I`m carefully encoding audio feed from the receiver into the computer, but I have to be careful with the unwanted noise, at times, indeed. As for the Pro1K tuner, while it is good looking and easier to connect to the computer soundcard, it has it`s own drawbacks; extremely wide selectivity being the worst one, obviously. So I`m sending a few files, and if you find the separation noteworthy, feel free to comment and / to ask for more ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 12 14:57:59 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52454 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 21:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 21:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.111) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 21:57:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1334267878; bh=SUnAd8r6Kdw2rhMyLdr9/5JAJh9hgJV0WttpKdCr9BM=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QIg1e2ET3LYF09azYez4vqeVjAivrjdBcjNwUswo1CQEDDOJknZ8HWzlhfYMyyLV5TQj26OPCz1ZpZEfwR7tO4djB8Fpc5hJhBK+npPjvik2aH/627b8/pl2stoqoy9Y Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 21:57:58 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 21:57:58 -0000 Date: 12 Apr 2012 21:57:57 -0000 Message-ID: <1334267877.6340.95282.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/05 - WIRY_Jefferson_Airplane_Point_of_Travel.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : the end of a late 60s Jefferson Airplane oldie aircheked on 1340 Hometown Radio Stereo WIRY Plattsburgh, NY on March, 2011 from Pierrefonds - Montreal's West Island, Quebec, Canada in beautiful C-Quam stereo on the Sony CFS-6000 boombox and two phased PK and Select-A-Tenna loops against WMSA Massena, NY You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/05%20-%20WIRY_Jefferson_Airplane_Point_of_Travel.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 12 15:13:20 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22465 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 22:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 22:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 22:13:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1334268800; bh=1PuMaFED2a9XbSEttP6Iy/PHzNaWLdIrQC4vEXs7SYA=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BTMg0MfAR5+wvxU3oPtuMu3JzLSyLG15hY/UITGLtbAuLJbL0HXeKdKN0n+9CQJv9b35YxLVKyV+d2UzetmsqyTOcHzDw4FwQsO03TJ/jVd/xw5oXSKqw2GVFrxNG/Je Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 22:13:20 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2012 22:13:20 -0000 Date: 12 Apr 2012 22:13:19 -0000 Message-ID: <1334268799.11597.4550.w12@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/03 - KCJJ_Owl_City_Fireflies.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Fireflies by Owl City airchecked from 1630 KCJJ Coralville, IA on May 10, 2012 from Pierrefonds - Montreal's West Island, QC ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/03%20-%20KCJJ_Owl_City_Fireflies.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Thu Apr 12 15:53:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91263 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 22:53:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 22:53:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 22:53:56 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M2E00IOF29U6N00@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <8741248FE81E4818AAE8906C6639D8B8@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:53:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: your favorite aircheck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=G66uKZ8yU0FTjpiWJnIZzyjygo0ptPwC8SxifsDUheIh8-hmg7Ar124 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to all of you ! The best sounding aircheck of the three ones posted lately is, un doubtely, the one with the Jefferson Airplane hippie oldie. Why ? Because the stereo separation is there all the time, the sound is rich, warm and the selectivity chosen was wide, with a wide filter. While the Owl City - Fireflies KCJJ aircheck has less hash, it also has somewhat less high frequency warmness, this was necessary to prevent harming from the 2nd adjacent channel nearby local pest CJRS-1650. I also think that the hash due to the somewhat fringy nature of WIRY (on my once upon a time trusty Sony CFS 6000, you still need a loop to make it sound decent and stereophonic at all, after all it is Plattsbourgh to MTL with 1 kW of power and Massena next door also 1 kW causing QRM in some circomstances), no matter what you think, gives a concert-hall like presence. It is amazing you hear medieval drums on the left and contemporary sixties drums on the right and the rest mostly in the center from a stereo perspective with a very crispy sound ! Now, the sun`s activity is, briefly, on a lull which could mean more KCJJ and less WIRY (because other co-channel 1340 kHz graveyarders would appear earlier on - just two days ago, logged WENT in Greenville, NY for the 2nd time EVER !), but even if KCJJ isn`t really Hi-Fi, any medium-Fi stereo AM is highly entertaining ! Also, KCJJ is easier just after local sunrise, then it fades after the grayline enhancement, it is more like DX than an enjoyment for such a stereophile person... So, would you consider the Jefferson Airplane WIRY aircheck as medium-Fi or Hi-Fi ? Have I commited a mistake by choosing the Wide filter instead of the Normal NOR filter on the Sony CFS 6000 ? In my humble opinion, in NOR position, it sounded a lot like a lifeless mediumwave broadcast, but in Wide it was unique, not like FM, rather like vynil, because of occasional scratches and hash... Has anyone compared well processed AM stereo with a good vynil ? A lot of my friends from my former ce-gep prefer vynils and even audio tapes to IPods, so, who knows ? May the local Hi-Fi and distant medium-Fi c-quam stereo bless your ears ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds, QC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Thu Apr 12 16:07:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23512 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 23:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 23:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 23:07:42 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M2E00JA62WT1JA1@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4A8D845309FD47C79D1CAC48C22F1527@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:07:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: AM Stereo on LW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=X0Mhk44GylaE819LeWOWnAes4a5hHwtnRAYK7p_KSgoShEuwF0SIUnY X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings to all of you once again ! I wonder why AM Stereo was never used, save for EXPERIMENTAL USE OF RUV 189 kHz, on the European longwave broadcast band. I know, I know, on Shortwave, the fading nature of most, if not all the signal, was making 1st generation Motorola decoders very prone with the platform motion effect making all signals more unlistenable in stereo than in mono, but fading is usually less of a concern on LW than it even is on MW... I know it, because I was and still I`m a dedicated Trans-Altantic longwave listener using Shielded Magnetic and amplified PK loops from Australia, from Paul Karlstrand, so even back in the early 80s, C-Quam could have been used on LW. Why it has never been done ? Cheers, Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 12 16:37:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69763 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2012 23:37:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2012 23:37:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2012 23:37:50 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3CNbhin004284 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:37:43 -0400 X-Received: from core-mrc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.185.81]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AF0F9E00008B for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5f85e.6091df7a.3cb8c146@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:37:42 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:389766176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d4f87674645de X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=L6U8_N0kFreJkz4YBZeTE-finOCAQaMWn8WLu4JRNm5O5mNqI4-SyST6maOx_9Zn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/12/2012 5:01:44 AM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > > I'm also trying to get intuch with him, couse I need an AM stereo > transmitter of 1 kW CQUAM for tests with a mobile am antenna, here in Sweden. > Mobile AM antenna? An AM antenna of any efficiency and its ground system is large. When you're talking about a mobile AM antenna you're talking about Radio Caroline / Ross Revenge that operated off a trawler in the North Sea 40 some years ago. Why mobile? You're not going all Capt. Jack Sparrow are ya, Matey? I hear Swedish prisons are nicer than the Motel 6's here in the States, even the ice and Coke machines work. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Apr 12 17:36:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23072 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2012 00:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2012 00:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.214) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2012 00:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from BAY0-P5-EAS125 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:34:15 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:34:12 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2012 00:34:15.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[276AC3B0:01CD190D] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: RE: {AMSF} Chris Cuff's AM stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=A8yz03aUq2ayQENe7ZkjhpnTdcqCBORnGha3qoaEFwH- X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Same thing I thought but there are few here who swear he still sells them -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III Sent: 12 Apr 2012 19:25:58 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Chris Cuff's AM stereo transmitters He said some time back he was making no more of these. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 4/12/12, Kevin Raper wrote: Chris Cuff, who is also on this list makes a C-QUAM Part 15 transmitter for= about $100 Dollars US that works great. A friend of mine has a couple of t= hem. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Apr 12 17:40:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40411 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2012 00:40:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2012 00:40:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f46.google.com) (209.85.213.46) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2012 00:40:00 -0000 X-Received: by yhmm54 with SMTP id m54so1765232yhm.5 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:40:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.181.36 with SMTP id k24mr168770yhm.96.1334277600327; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e1sm29249376yhi.9.2012.04.12.17.39.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:39:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1334258631.72591.YahooMailClassic@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1334258631.72591.YahooMailClassic@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff's AM stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=xuve8hRx8rSnHtkxEuSQ5fZxuVGbGgbCMkM1wOFLmXGRGXyD6w6EKljKeehzCw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 12, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > He said some time back he was making no more of these. A month or so ago, he said he was making a more up to date smaller transmitter. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Thu Apr 12 17:55:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65010 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2012 00:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2012 00:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.178) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2012 00:55:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 00:55:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 00:55:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:55:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 99.55.210.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff's AM stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=Eh1ONyQa7IHzgYCfNu0n4b16tglH1YmUAcUIkcwXmC1Uwvi1_g X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert Chrysafis wrote: > > Same thing I thought but there are few here who swear he still sells them >=20 I have one of his AM stereo transmitters myself and its been a very solid = performer since I built the thing over a year ago (got it during his Febura= ry 2011 batch as a kit) and since then I did some modifications to the powe= r rail which are fairly simple and in the form of a switch along with a 1 a= mp fuse so that it can be run off of a 12 volt power supply or rechargable = battery safely in case something went wrong. As of right now I have it tune= d in on a Sony SRF-A100 miniature boombox which is a recent eBay find. Undo= ubtedly the best sounding super heterodyne tuner I have ever heard on AM pl= us given I have FM style processing it really sounds indistinguishable from= an FM radio station given the receiver's 15 KHz frequency response. 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Estimated 100meter between masts.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 www.starwaves.se=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Mirela Chiochiu Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 13 april 2012 1:07 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} AM Stereo on LW =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Warm greetings to all of you once again ! I wonder why AM Stereo was never used, save for EXPERIMENTAL USE OF RUV 189= kHz, on the European longwave broadcast band. I know, I know, on Shortwave= , the fading nature of most, if not all the signal, was making 1st generati= on Motorola decoders very prone with the platform motion effect making all = signals more unlistenable in stereo than in mono, but fading is usually les= s of a concern on LW than it even is on MW... I know it, because I was and = still I`m a dedicated Trans-Altantic longwave listener using Shielded Magne= tic and amplified PK loops from Australia, from Paul Karlstrand, so even ba= ck in the early 80s, C-Quam could have been used on LW. Why it has never be= en done ? Cheers, Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Apr 13 02:30:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60356 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2012 09:30:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2012 09:30:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2012 09:30:03 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M2E00HNLVQ1RO80@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4A8D845309FD47C79D1CAC48C22F1527@MirelaPC> <1334295468.21945.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1334295468.21945.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:30:03 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on LW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=eewnNBv-FdJRPfbSbP8exJTyqKhW1Dl3uszHa6bBNc_z8NWIMqgGCQY X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the reply ! Interesting answer, however this do not mention why Iceland-189 (where the = station is located right now) only has the transmitter in C-Quam stereo fee= d to a monaural studio, it is worthless. Also, another point is that on 1st generation Motorola chips, since fading,= even on skywave signals, is less consistent on LW than on MW, back in the = early 80s, Motorola c-quam could have been used while providing more stereo= separation than Kahn-Hazeltine. I understand that the now improved Kahn IS= B system could, in theory, provide better separation on LW and, by the way,= on all the broadcast signals, even on HF or VHF, should AM be used instead= of FM on VHF... Also, why Atlantic 252 never tried AM Stereo ? Why I never heard of a boomb= ox with Motorola LW DX capabilities ? Lots of good questions to meditate ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds, QC From: Roy Sandgren=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:37 AM Subject: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo on LW =20=20=20=20 Bogdan, =20=20=20 189 kHz is incordinated in Sweden since decades back in time and if we ca= n make a TEE antenn between the 2 towers of Solvesborg 1179kHz tower it can= be done am stereo on longwave. Estimated 100meter between masts. www.sta= rwaves.se=20=20=20 Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Mirela Chiochiu Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 13 april 2012 1:07 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} AM Stereo on LW =20=20=20=20 Warm greetings to all of you once again ! I wonder why AM Stereo was never used, save for EXPERIMENTAL USE OF RUV 1= 89 kHz, on the European longwave broadcast band. I know, I know, on Shortwa= ve, the fading nature of most, if not all the signal, was making 1st genera= tion Motorola decoders very prone with the platform motion effect making al= l signals more unlistenable in stereo than in mono, but fading is usually l= ess of a concern on LW than it even is on MW... I know it, because I was an= d still I`m a dedicated Trans-Altantic longwave listener using Shielded Mag= netic and amplified PK loops from Australia, from Paul Karlstrand, so even = back in the early 80s, C-Quam could have been used on LW. Why it has never = been done ? Cheers, Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Apr 13 04:08:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30513 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2012 11:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2012 11:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2012 11:08:08 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M2F001FH09JR940@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:08:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=nuoBv8xLPWLU9Yzi2C7bFyr51_ts4dKGfHi3P4_lVo05kOE74K5G7O8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One highly interesting question this time around: has anyone ever heard a Belar AM broadcast, i.e. on WJR ? Was the distortion against regular monaural AM the ONLY reason for it to being dropped out of the picture, leaving the way for the other systems, Motorola C-Quam being the winner ? Cheers, Bogdan in Pierrefonds [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Apr 13 05:16:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96935 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2012 12:16:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2012 12:16:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.23) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2012 12:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.56] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 12:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.240] by tm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 12:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 12:16:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 624809.30527.bm@omp1005.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 27150 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2012 12:16:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cuErFXMVM1nyAJ4f10gnrgYEWgFA4v0CHfw9KMKl9y_JpzP ULwBGEz2I4jWfUFe4L.KnNeR1T4jznierCug4yDum6s9Kt6XCFOWiGg2ISw_ BpFK7SlJx6vptobJkzbMj9CMD.drhPAR1tP9UvUdAWz9k6_nmilF2TFcyKvm ZHyh_Cymm.6CqAepHvRQfeiFGuXWzkBDmabtgModVyNBjGrbePIqJZXiExm. 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The plan is to use a 50kW LW TX at the 1179kHz site=C2=A0 Solvesborg = am station wich is now closed since oct. -10=C2=A0 300/600kW. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Mirela Chiochiu Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 13 april 2012 11:30 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on LW =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Thanks for the reply ! Interesting answer, however this do not mention why Iceland-189 (where the = station is located right now) only has the transmitter in C-Quam stereo fee= d to a monaural studio, it is worthless. Also, another point is that on 1st generation Motorola chips, since fading,= even on skywave signals, is less consistent on LW than on MW, back in the = early 80s, Motorola c-quam could have been used while providing more stereo= separation than Kahn-Hazeltine. I understand that the now improved Kahn IS= B system could, in theory, provide better separation on LW and, by the way,= on all the broadcast signals, even on HF or VHF, should AM be used instead= of FM on VHF... Also, why Atlantic 252 never tried AM Stereo ? Why I never heard of a boomb= ox with Motorola LW DX capabilities ? Lots of good questions to meditate ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds, QC From: Roy Sandgren=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:37 AM Subject: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo on LW Bogdan, 189 kHz is incordinated in Sweden since decades back in time and if we can = make a TEE antenn between the 2 towers of Solvesborg 1179kHz tower it can b= e done am stereo on longwave. Estimated 100meter between masts. www.starw= aves.se=20 Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Mirela Chiochiu Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 13 april 2012 1:07 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} AM Stereo on LW Warm greetings to all of you once again ! I wonder why AM Stereo was never used, save for EXPERIMENTAL USE OF RUV 189= kHz, on the European longwave broadcast band. I know, I know, on Shortwave= , the fading nature of most, if not all the signal, was making 1st generati= on Motorola decoders very prone with the platform motion effect making all = signals more unlistenable in stereo than in mono, but fading is usually les= s of a concern on LW than it even is on MW... I know it, because I was and = still I`m a dedicated Trans-Altantic longwave listener using Shielded Magne= tic and amplified PK loops from Australia, from Paul Karlstrand, so even ba= ck in the early 80s, C-Quam could have been used on LW. Why it has never be= en done ? Cheers, Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 07:44:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83058 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2012 14:44:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2012 14:44:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.44) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2012 14:44:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 14:44:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 14:44:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:44:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.74.230.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.74.230.24 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=uYWNcLMBQzbpwCDctwODRhtv2HW9YziubWxQEBrS1jQ X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi from... Greece!=20 No... WE ARE STILL ALIVE & KICKING!!! :)=20 But we do have some outside work to do, and we were out of country for some= time.=20 Robert you 've send us some emails at 30th of March as I see. The offer sti= ll stands. To provide a complete system sorry but we can't sell it at the p= rice you have set as a mark. You'll have a response next week about it, sin= ce here we have the orthodox Pascha (Easter holidays) and we are not workin= g till next Tuesday.=20=20 Roy we have speak previously about your request. We can make a 1KW CQUAM Tx= , if you want. I think we have talk about it in the past, and we have provi= de the total cost for it. I'll check it when I'll get back in office, with = my collagues about it...=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Prdmt=20 ASPiSYS=20 From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Apr 13 08:12:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43112 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2012 15:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2012 15:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.203) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2012 15:12:06 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 15:12:05 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.242] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 15:12:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 15:12:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 196759.4873.bm@omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 9548 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2012 15:12:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DPmyjnQVM1num6girQ.dfUkICTTRaWjR76GKH_Nk_wZWrsT ZRwLuA4aoAHo7mvK2wZzyrBoOIbG3ix_dlsZUVG26XRuChy1gbGNpR3ZdJGx WzvwAQCaSOeumk6wHW6mjtYfVxEr195mAyu8ZfN31l3hOE8Dmi.lqu9iGZJm oPVhie8Waz02nL8hjvj2XdKM5msgScyrLVdbeFVmxydsJSHI8dKd9LX0bq8y sfT0i37Bcmu.HYshvCcetACTVvLx9l7X9vGz9tTNGecxFXOnL8YG.vr7jQj6 FiwqFYJSOtrt9.jT_pZMt_qRUEM764tl0p9Uh6xkZOeTtpHBLvf592zr1aax sCMCcoifGWrJ5b5OYNfUousf78z.cMPXJubQCCHdPExNEoyajhpkTlrUHgTp KhZZX3UZjImDUVL2wi2MQeD8p5KcrC6aSryCPBh1koUp5GY3q7lElM_lm.1h .11gUzvlmF3nfSyfPflHb5qeP.Jw.bQhsUKmN.G.m6FLI6FRLR2vkU3Jatbp QkRpi7Z0j9nMJsctcPBYUC9pbrX5yBcLGi0uNkfdH.HjW.VSqJMEeQf6PoW1 sNuKAaXoenX2hRUv6Btlyii9Ohb3B1.UQmzvo36cfNAg9.Wq6gl7qD8tiqdO aACqQTmKZb7m6Pti2eLi9polX78iJl8E5nTGhZkFcSQCsiog3wZIAlqOsF6H nDdl.b84J2RN51JljYE47qPz0bP4kg0P7VPF21kDAoIR0IpGP9FNMSHeHOMC g6uY2icDIWBdhMIAw8.i3aUGiEGAkNa8BOeRbf2gVYemeAsZenGr.XkebXoB dReCpa757FsqkpAIR4KVqdtIoo.olsFfEE0k2em8fAITccYIy59DvD0FESiW pdsQ0BhQ5PdfWLtxux3ExKycsG.CtR8JQifbym9Yo3mo9nJWCD3ECdZw43yc mhJjv3ALWa640cZMYHgqiE8bZHnJ4sHRIUL8hhzZR3J87TUS3qE0SZWTxf3x yJlNN_oCeiazk5I5VArImnGRlDdV.A7Hqy4LoDbovyxsGF397Psdahx8FSV6 am41kxbcFGmEN4val.rrZEmdePyaWRfXaueY9xu3wHYmJ8tZ13H9EryPux73 n0rN2pcVAwh_GGrTAyIFoUke2KbTIqzQOw9BeILf3vq._mIpwTA3cnFn0gGl PXH7JwAeS2Upa5vZKgWpZCtWqlSBEypD_DjAaFljTCKjsLn_.3Mg2eZnd09v WZc3DrcwO.kYhYsbIuw_5WelX55ewMjLPnFIqYkfwuwHoSpHb9_lO1b5fqnu wof392y.dIaK4yBtiFgZGvyCTDNIUbsfZhC7e4yw2QLQyM6VMhFE3owKCf1G rB_QMyI.wCVRryEng2RyoVG5oIwXzUJoivUrFXxkDmRDR.9W7R0ccP12LZlc l16VUFFlvMJ4tyE0wZcYz2NeFBER.TBqhJJzq2hrgnhIP_pXPYOCaZ2AtfWj rZC1Ladl.yHd6kL5MYRoPeKEQ7h2XLGbrIWVfv.TH.BwdpuDwS3CFBXYznyG _0te3QfpzQ937WprVrKn9rSINKmD1AeT13QBxtoUs4pP8UF70aU0fEARnY7n 2DsTPCdzhTV4lvp_BNYurJQ.lu8_t8gdqmj55D3E9pqGVY.jKGC_md5poQtL wYBfbnD0iFplFIcLdcm8XwXEb4pBqp_AuCc7H2m5nIYMdc1g2bhFLm31cmc4 lYU6dNi24oPU_aGqVrhsVO45iUSlNFy6z37FWhkKCOQ-- X-Received: from [46.195.136.151] by web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:12:04 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1334329924.9259.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:12:04 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: aspisys greece??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=NJfhjK_VqsIJnNnZQH86DCLDP8nQppfeuQzG7XRTKpcm5HM X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =C2=A0 we thougth that the talibans did take you away !!! The TX will work with a TGR 50 mobile antenna from LBAgroup if we ever get = a rewsponse from them... Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: pdmtr Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 13 april 2012 16:44 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Re: aspisys greece??? =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi from... Greece!=20 No... WE ARE STILL ALIVE & KICKING!!! :)=20 But we do have some outside work to do, and we were out of country for some= time.=20 Robert you 've send us some emails at 30th of March as I see. The offer sti= ll stands. To provide a complete system sorry but we can't sell it at the p= rice you have set as a mark. You'll have a response next week about it, sin= ce here we have the orthodox Pascha (Easter holidays) and we are not workin= g till next Tuesday.=20 Roy we have speak previously about your request. We can make a 1KW CQUAM Tx= , if you want. I think we have talk about it in the past, and we have provi= de the total cost for it. I'll check it when I'll get back in office, with = my collagues about it...=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Prdmt=20 ASPiSYS=20 =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dannibou@yahoo.ca Fri Apr 13 12:51:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dannibou@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3456 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2012 19:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2012 19:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.243) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2012 19:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 19:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 19:51:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:51:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 24.48.79.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.48.79.73 From: "dannibou" Subject: FS: SRF-A100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63822044; y=EkgyUu06NizDHlG9vviCjOo3qbOJJnnamRoLKWFBxRJGz3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dannibou Excellent working and esthetic condition. 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Thanks Danny From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 15:16:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32253 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2012 22:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2012 22:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.180) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2012 22:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 22:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2012 22:16:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:16:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=FCfUwuWjdczSRQg84Ho_5IeCJsVJFwdcnkt4aG4Blr_j1y03V0Dwxk8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi, If I remember correctly, Delco in Kokomo, Indiana needed actual broadca= st stations for testing AM stereo in the very early 80s, so WOWO provided t= he Magnavox test signal, WJR provided the Belar test signal, CKLW provided = the Harris System, and I'm not sure if it was a local for C-Quam before WJR= broadcast in CQuam, and if there was an Indy station for Kahn? Anybody re= call reading the FCC test reports? Regards, John PS: WIRY has some great music and local flavor: wish their intenet feed was= better than dial-up - too bad they can't provide a better feed. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > One highly interesting question this time around: has anyone ever heard a= Belar AM broadcast, i.e. on WJR ? Was the distortion against regular monau= ral AM the ONLY reason for it to being dropped out of the picture, leaving = the way for the other systems, Motorola C-Quam being the winner ? >=20 > Cheers, > Bogdan in Pierrefonds >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Apr 13 18:52:02 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5735 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2012 01:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2012 01:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2012 01:52:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1334368322; bh=jql8cpW4jqcN4f84eeLMxEZrcIlCZ2gSpduPK9VNmxY=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m9GcnFup2M63X7szhOMasnIBcHDcl+y9KvOj3IGCGE2tKStDkaDXxyTXJ7D5KdgYxblaJFz3UNUJBFFXghoafx9rn1CFL7/Bsk+kqMfy8q2ldqiRRKT0bIew4VSHWKri Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2012 01:52:02 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2012 01:52:02 -0000 Date: 14 Apr 2012 01:52:00 -0000 Message-ID: <1334368320.11708.42376.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. 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File : /mp3-usa/10 - WIRY_Tom_Jones_Summer_In_The_City.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : WIRY in Pierrefonds-MTL, QC in 03-2011 on the Sony CFS-6000 while adjusting the PK and Select-A-Tenna loops You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/10%20-%20WIRY_Tom_Jones_Summer_In_The_City.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 21:23:13 2012 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=35136;u=;t=1334377598;m=1071657433;s=1722461126; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 21:29:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63165 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2012 04:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2012 04:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.225) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2012 04:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2012 04:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2012 04:29:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:29:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.165.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.165.216 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=J4Kp3OJZ0FF2oO95V0WdVQhqALZZ2AoXXjJjS5_5nn1HJq7UAw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I never knew any about the Belar system but... Men!!! It isn't a secret tha= t the final main reason because Motorola won the war was... THEY HAD THE MO= NEY!!! I don't want to say that they sold the FCC final decision, no, no, no. I just want to say they had (and still have) enough money to do it. So... From the technical corner, C-QUAM has only one, just one, better specs than= ISB (Kahn) system: the final signal to noise ratio. Why? Well, ISB use the sidebands separately, so... you get the noise from b= elow and above the carrier separately (LSB against noise and USB against no= ise separately). C-QUAM, as any mono transmission, use both sidebands with = the same signal (L+R) so... you get less noise from the background (LSB+USB= against the noise). But, about separation, reliability, etc., ISB is better than C-QUAM at LW, = MW and SW bands. Even so, I don't think you could use C-QUAM at SW bands but a very local se= rvice. At skywave DX world, the phasing SW inherent problems will kill the = C-QUAM signal most of the times. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Hi, If I remember correctly, Delco in Kokomo, Indiana needed actual broad= cast stations for testing AM stereo in the very early 80s, so WOWO provided= the Magnavox test signal, WJR provided the Belar test signal, CKLW provide= d the Harris System, and I'm not sure if it was a local for C-Quam before W= JR broadcast in CQuam, and if there was an Indy station for Kahn? Anybody = recall reading the FCC test reports? > Regards, > John >=20 > PS: WIRY has some great music and local flavor: wish their intenet feed w= as better than dial-up - too bad they can't provide a better feed. >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > > > One highly interesting question this time around: has anyone ever heard= a Belar AM broadcast, i.e. on WJR ? Was the distortion against regular mon= aural AM the ONLY reason for it to being dropped out of the picture, leavin= g the way for the other systems, Motorola C-Quam being the winner ? > >=20 > > Cheers, > > Bogdan in Pierrefonds > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 12:20:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77882 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2012 19:20:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2012 19:20:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2012 19:20:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.83] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2012 19:20:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2012 19:20:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:20:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Original AM Stereo Format recollections X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=A7Gp_ACGFOmF3DHzsgySLR7j17JbbPFb2S-pc61LYuUACIWxo8Q0hMs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From I remember reading in the FCC test results, Harris met more criteria t= han all the other systems by a mile, but you would have to go to a better t= uner than just a diode detector to get full advantage of their awesome sign= al. Had Harris not substituted some parts in their type acceptance items t= o the FCC, HARRIS would have won the AM stereo wars, with like 80 stations = (except the FCC shut them down for a retest) compared to about 2 dozen Kahn= and a similar number of CQuam and a mere few Magnavox. There were no Belar= stations that I'm aware of in the 1983 kick-off year. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 14 19:28:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2118 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2012 02:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2012 02:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.135) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2012 02:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2012 02:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2012 02:28:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 02:28:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.18.124.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.124.99 From: "jim smith" Subject: 2005 Dodge radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=LxTPoyLAHMyv-QN7gUsasmzH1xbSJM9mF4rnmma7IJi-YdO2fSUw3DkxEx7NBVaHpTJKINJt X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Dose any one know if the 2005 Dodge radio is Am Stereo? Jim Smith From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 14 20:07:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38615 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2012 03:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2012 03:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2012 03:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120414220729100350500011> for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:07:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F8A3B6F.7010209@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:07:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:07:29 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120414-1, 04/14/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xlB6BnoQb5LssAerwMYSx8lT3BCn2Ry656Iw9R5nGC-95H_jQZo9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/13/2012 11:23 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > > I never knew any about the Belar system but... Men!!! It isn't a secret > that the final main reason because Motorola won the war was... THEY HAVE > THE MONEY!!! > > I don't want to say that they sold the FCC final decision, no, no, no. > > I just want to say they have enough money to do it. So... That means they would have to have bought off every other country that adopted it as well. Every other country that had AM stereo went with CQUAM. Moto was in a unique position to create an end to end system. It also helps they manufacture their own chips, plus they licensed them so cheaply. As a comparison to the computer world, Apple may be better than the PC, but it was a lot cheaper and gained acceptance that way. The old Beta video cassette system had superior picture to the VHS, but since consumers wanted the longer playing times VHS won. So you see, there are many ways winners and losers are created. It isn't necessarily graft and corruption (though that can always be a possibility too.) Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 14 20:14:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45605 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2012 03:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2012 03:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2012 03:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120414221451100858100011> for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:14:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F8A3D29.1090303@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:14:49 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:14:51 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120414-1, 04/14/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2005 Dodge radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1qjfkPV9ZtzwKxnQsOoCaz7izLg-mJOcyTp9AteNbTajiYaDsDA0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/14/2012 9:28 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang Dose any one know if the 2005 Dodge radio is Am Stereo? Jim Smith > The last AM stereo radios they produced had the three band tone control (I'd hate to call that a graphic equalizer). If it's only got two tone controls I can say it definitely doesn't. Don't know about the current generation of three banders. It would likely be an Infinity Sound System premium radio if it does have AMS. Scott From acq@videotron.ca Sat Apr 14 20:36:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93260 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2012 03:36:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2012 03:36:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2012 03:36:03 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M2I004L04O18C70@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 23:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <2E641BCE962045B7B896C26E24370804@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 23:36:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: KCJJ on daytime pattern X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=4S9rABZCe7RSHT2EApnzz0CjNO7A5NaR0f1UHZUWV1fMP7N18bdNNAU X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again ! KCJJ is semi-local like this evening with info about upcoming tornadoes and severe T-storm watches for Iowa... This is the reason why they are perphaps running 10 kW instead of the not that mighty 1 kW. May some music come from their daylight pattern ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds/MTL, QC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 23:52:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37135 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2012 06:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2012 06:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.109) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2012 06:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.83] by ng9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2012 06:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2012 06:52:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 06:52:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F8A3B6F.7010209@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.51.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.203 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=sCyhgHckxE8C4g5BclrYglWm0ezuT3FJo4Q7tuX7QHLSqcwynA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > That means they would have to have bought off every other country that=20 > adopted it as well. Every other country that had AM stereo went with=20 > CQUAM. Moto was in a unique position to create an end to end system.=20 > It also helps they manufacture their own chips, plus they licensed them=20 > so cheaply. >=20 > As a comparison to the computer world, Apple may be better than the PC,=20 > but it was a lot cheaper and gained acceptance that way. The old Beta=20 > video cassette system had superior picture to the VHS, but since=20 > consumers wanted the longer playing times VHS won. So you see, there=20 > are many ways winners and losers are created. It isn't necessarily=20 > graft and corruption (though that can always be a possibility too.) >=20 > Scott Todd > They didn't need to buy any other country. They just had to win the war in = USA. Most of the America countries (remember USA isn't the only "America", = it is just part of the whole continent) normally follows (or copy) the FCC = regulations (it has been the case in Chile, always, but the AM Stereo war, = Chile didn't take an official position about this). BTW: Where in the web is a very good technical and practical explanation (I= mean other than Wikipedia) about ALL the AM Stereo systems? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope. From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 01:32:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16554 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2012 08:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2012 08:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm24-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.184) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2012 08:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2012 08:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2012 08:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.97] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2012 08:32:31 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2012 08:32:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 953618.94775.bm@omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75723 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2012 08:32:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QrwADosVM1krgoLWtT3oEHKFx4ozypnILeYi2VFDa_DAZKJ 0rfZJT5.28Y7aYZKAPdXFf0vIMCtc9T5sTDx4atKsMaaBTPYyiZbwqJdp1kf PFQRIXkvvcVYScfLEYszu6ZyRi6IUPtTTgnedYWK7z08V97WANLWC14PWQDH 79QYSHGOzEs.t4yTACwRryLdrDuU3UgH2YDjGTxUx.Pp7uccPLKUBwf7JA17 TnKc0vdOCOfCNk1E1GzNKVii2T.hxmBB_yZs_q8m2r1p2jAC6IfAh4hm9sAo iQiGeBJFtiaFeNnEyOiWiIffZUN8NLlv8lLJDa.9ZIyFLvjQtGxq7AX7lRNW e.zP6jNylT_3JOljFsqT12Yha0Yc3rzIegum_U15GNHO0rCeANouLXd0o5lV 4_YUMEvqTnYL_bE.R2RJoO0cdy4flfbJRyOZgfzE48Qh0YTEy1drDW2TO.Ew DGRm2Q1Olk0b_vRjA6ZpFfs3HYAFqaRJ10hd9Q5ffLrc4pLuEsPQ.XH5mtyW To03wt4ZsA.f5QKGAor3s.aPjZJPF7RqFcmsJsoWmP440T77GKIUT.lKQR8V 1o_7l.09L55hFaXIlwsK.XVTbtWA5KML0ciCD0vEhlvIFb_UJyeSYtOaURs1 JC3zpVEBp7eUy8WvQP6N0XdLcSEEJyEmhPrMyq5SIpM469tBFEHJRtweSpwH VV2icALPfH0ARxuE6UWztFKhAlaa7gLjx2Li4TxglAGhlxGfoUuWjwc8joHT 0a3ILlM8VBl7kgfIUkfMrHxQ8iQbHMfsMfy4vwOEpryYe_YP7r5Pt.Dlbl2g q6AamrZr2fzzkR6w30IAKE.JSo_6566QA_6WUnQ6ny_4J8W4zXo7LLnyhFBz I2ag0QtIM.7mBUFHrBkaj_xA4AgpfM5W2z77B_Jihd4aSqlKFdo2EZV2VZKs D X-Received: from [184.19.41.190] by web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 01:32:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4F8A3B6F.7010209@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1334478751.35988.YahooMailNeo@web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 01:32:31 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Reply-To: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=hvofkzPskM2QqgXW42JAjAqAhKLpUDcafN2bp7u1ctnQ0QcErxPw X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How interesting that the Belar system is all of a sudden appearing in the A= M Stereo discussions! =A0 Since I was a participant in the AM Stereo testing (for Magnavox) and devel= oped a great friendship with Arno Meyer (president and owner of Belar in th= at time frame) perhaps I can offer a few useful comments. =A0 The Belar system was actually the old RCA AM Stereo system from the 1950's = when the FCC was first considering broadcast stereo programming.=A0 Initial= ly the FCC examined stereo on AM and FM, but decided to permit stereo on FM= only since FM in that time was relatively unknown compared to AM.=A0 The B= elar system placed the L+R signal on the envelope, and used premphasized FM= for the L-R signal modulating the carrier.=A0 Belar started with a 2 kHz d= eviation for the FM signal.=A0 Belar was (and is) a very small privately ow= ned broadcast equipment supplier, primarily known for their monitors.=A0 Th= ey participated in the NAMSRC testing program (National AM Stereophonic Res= earch Committee) sponsored by the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters= ) just because they already had the equipment developed. =A0 Thus, the Belar, Magnavox and=A0Motorola systems were tested under the NAMS= RC program.=A0 The test program included laboratory testing and over the ai= r testing (WGMS and WTOP for ground wave)(WBT for skywave).=A0 I only have = one printed NAMSRC final test report, and I donated it to the Indiana Histo= rical Society a few years ago so I cannot quote anything from it with any g= reat accuracy. =A0 I do have the original (Magnavox copies) of the over-the-air tests in the N= AMSRC program , and they have been ditigized by one of the local Fort Wayne= music companies.=A0 The digitized OTA test recordings required about a doz= en CDs, and were recorded=A0in the WMA format.=A0 In listening to them, I s= uspect the compression of the WMA format stripped off some of the audio art= ifacts=A0(a polite word for system defects) I noted=A0during the test progr= am (or else my ears are not as good as they were 45 years ago).=A0 The NAMS= RC tests used a fixed set of music (a 27 MB WMA file) that was played OTA f= or each system under the 3 conditions.=A0 That results in about 300 MB of r= ecorded OTA test programming.=A0 I toyed with putting that on the internet,= but have not done so yet.=A0 That is a lot of file space to use up, and th= ere needs to be an explanation of each of the recordings to provide a good = understanding of what is happening. =A0 Magnavox decided to participate in the NAMSRC test program when we realized= that the initially proposed systems to the NAMSRC would not meet the FCC g= oals identified at that time.=A0 Belar was the only original system to cont= inue with testing. As it turned out, Motorola had the same thought.=A0 Both= Motorola and Magnavox developed their AM Stereo systems over a period of s= everal months prior to the NAMSRC test program in the 1977 time frame. =A0 Magnavox was first to do the lab testing for the NAMSRC effort, and we were= vastly better than the trial runs for Belar or Motorola.=A0 Motorola stopp= ed their participation in the NAMSRC tests to see if they could bring their= system up to be competitive with Magnavox.=A0 So did Belar.=A0 My guess is= that Motorola spent over $100K on a crash design program just to be compet= itive with the equipment Magnavox brought to the NAMSRC program.=A0 That wa= s a bunch of money back in the 1977 time frame. =A0 My experience with Magnavox and Motorola (I did installations for both syst= ems back in the early 1980's) was that for the same level of performance (s= tereo separation and channel distortion) it took about 5 times as much effo= rt to get Motorola running as it did to get Magnavox running.=A0 The Magnav= ox system was the only system that could be received with non-synchronous r= eceiver detectors as well as synchronous receiver detectors o(f the whole b= unch).=A0 That was important back in that time frame.=A0 Motorola and Harri= s required synchronous detection, and Belar required non-synchronous detect= ion. =A0 Over the several years of AM Stereo testing, the Belar system gradually cha= nged to be quite similar to the Magnavox system.=A0 I recall Norm Parker (M= otorola Senior VP) complaining that the last of the FCC comparison charts h= ad the same technology rated first (Magnavox) and last (Belar)!=A0 While th= at is not totally correct, he was really=A0mostly correct.=A0 So you do hav= e the situation where the money spent on the system does indeed determine (= to a geat extent) on how the system performs. =A0 My guess is that Belar spent about $300K on their system, Magnavox spent ab= out =A0$2M (mostly on lawyers when the FCC selected Magnavox as the system = of choice), and Motorola spent over $300M on system development and promoti= on.=A0 Motorola also managed to get GM to spend $200M (my guess) and Chrysl= er to spend $100M=A0 (my guess) on the Motorola system after the Delco deci= sion to support Motorola.=A0=A0You may recall that Ford decided to stay out= of the AM Stereo wars. =A0 Belar had one engineer part time working on their system, Magnavox had 2 fu= ll time engineers on their system (with up to=A05 engineers for very short = periods of time), and Motorola had a crew of 6 engineers present at the NAM= SRC tests and many more back home as part of their system development. =A0 My memory must be failing, because I do not remember Belar ever having an O= TA presence after the NAMSRC testing. It was just too expensive for them.= =A0 Arno came close to losing his farm over the AM Stereo costs. =A0 The current Wiki information on AM Stereo does have some glaring errors, bu= t the U S patents by Magnavox, Motorola, Harris, and Kahn are available on = line and are the correct source of system definition.=A0 I do not recall th= at RCA or Belar ever applied for patents on the AM-FM stereo system. =A0 You will notice that I have not mentioned Kahn-Hazeltine in this AM Stereo = discussion.=A0 That is another huge email! =A0 Bob Streeter =20 ________________________________ From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 2:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo =20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > That means they would have to have bought off every other country that=20 > adopted it as well.=A0 Every other country that had AM stereo went with=20 > CQUAM.=A0 Moto was in a unique position to create an end to end system.=20 > It also helps they manufacture their own chips, plus they licensed them=20 > so cheaply. >=20 > As a comparison to the computer world, Apple may be better than the PC,=20 > but it was a lot cheaper and gained acceptance that way.=A0 The old Beta= =20 > video cassette system had superior picture to the VHS, but since=20 > consumers wanted the longer playing times VHS won.=A0 So you see, there=20 > are many ways winners and losers are created.=A0 It isn't necessarily=20 > graft and corruption (though that can always be a possibility too.) >=20 > Scott Todd > They didn't need to buy any other country. They just had to win the war in = USA. Most of the America countries (remember USA isn't the only "America", = it is just part of the whole continent) normally follows (or copy) the FCC = regulations (it has been the case in Chile, always, but the AM Stereo war, = Chile didn't take an official position about this). BTW: Where in the web is a very good technical and practical explanation (I= mean other than Wikipedia) about ALL the AM Stereo systems? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Apr 15 11:02:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40402 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2012 18:02:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2012 18:02:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-04.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.154) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2012 18:02:34 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120415130204101869200011> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:02:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F8B0D19.3010206@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:02:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:02:04 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120415-1, 04/15/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=q1Js4oSTzjaEgjuBntGZB3TI5DvKXfEXxzy4DLHEsXeLH8tgLpry X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/15/2012 1:52 AM, Jota wrote: > > They didn't need to buy any other country. They just had to win the war > in USA. Most of the America countries (remember USA isn't the only > "America", it is just part of the whole continent) normally follows (or > copy) the FCC regulations (it has been the case in Chile, always, but > the AM Stereo war, Chile didn't take an official position about this). Except the FCC initially chose Magnavox; without exception every other country chose Motorola. Scott From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 19:19:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18810 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2012 02:19:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2012 02:19:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.216) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2012 02:19:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2012 02:19:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2012 02:19:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 02:19:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F8B0D19.3010206@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.54.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.42 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=AAedh4_RDVUz38U0z-8v2JRLqdnCwAKoVIgxcq064FTrblQV0A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > >=20 > Except the FCC initially chose Magnavox; without exception every other=20 > country chose Motorola. >=20 > Scott > That was the history!!! Today, we don't win any crying over the past. Today we have C-QUAM, and... IT WORKS!!! Isn't it pity we don't have C-QUAM stations all over the continent? ??? (BT= W: I know Ibiquity is working hard to "put in" its IBOC, I hope they aren't= win). BUT... I still have faith. With the Lord's helping hand, this year I'll get= C-Quam HERE, to my humble station. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope. From dannibou@yahoo.ca Mon Apr 16 16:25:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dannibou@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48104 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2012 23:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2012 23:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.213) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2012 23:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2012 23:25:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2012 23:25:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:25:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2E641BCE962045B7B896C26E24370804@MirelaPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 24.203.137.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.203.137.21 From: "dannibou" Subject: Re: KCJJ on daytime pattern X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63822044; y=wOC3oy2-j36SLJQWzrzRPrmvHTUT-TNjERyx6QKeZ9lm61c X-Yahoo-Profile: dannibou --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > Hello again ! >=20 > KCJJ is semi-local like this evening with info about upcoming tornadoes a= nd severe T-storm watches for Iowa... This is the reason why they are perph= aps running 10 kW instead of the not that mighty 1 kW. >=20 > May some music come from their daylight pattern ! > Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds/MTL, QC Allo. Quelle est la fr=E9quence de cette station? Danny de Qu=E9bec From acq@videotron.ca Tue Apr 17 14:50:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8339 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2012 21:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2012 21:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2012 21:50:04 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M2N00GRY8NEKF20@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <8AAA477DB2814121AAF7C7115FE4CD34@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:50:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ on daytime pattern X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=lRmU-T5T_VZ0GT-V_zk0KxyabG9mFSrp9hwa0XQKfTRPDr0ndmFJboY X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Elle diffuse sur 1630 kHz. Parfois elle rentre en C-Quam avec un impression= nant son st=E9r=E9o, comme mon Sony CFS6000 bris=E9 connect=E9 =E0 un ordi = pour compenser pour le magn=E9toscope bris=E9, ici en banlieue de Montr=E9a= l. Even though sometimes, they are are a powerhouse, mostly when on daytime= pattern, they are usually clobbered with adjacent channel splatter from 16= 50 and with IBOC hash from 1640 Disney with weaker signal levels. I`m sure that KCJJ will be audible in Quebec City as well, as they have eve= n made to England. Keep on trying and you`ll hear it ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu From: dannibou=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ on daytime pattern =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > Hello again ! >=20 > KCJJ is semi-local like this evening with info about upcoming tornadoes= and severe T-storm watches for Iowa... This is the reason why they are per= phaps running 10 kW instead of the not that mighty 1 kW. >=20 > May some music come from their daylight pattern ! > Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds/MTL, QC Allo. Quelle est la fr=E9quence de cette station? Danny de Qu=E9bec =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Tue Apr 17 15:03:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92947 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2012 22:03:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2012 22:03:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2012 22:03:27 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M2N006BR99OPZ00@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:03:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: AM Stereo airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=feGqOtgey2bjOvUMurvTWIcW8qMz0R3jQ74FWSrM9WtQ6SN7kOBOTZk X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warm greetings to all of you ! I`m looking for an alternative way to record AM stereo signals into any dev= ice, since my Sony CFS 6000 tape deck was broken by the Lisette Dupras wond= er workers back in 2010. We SUCCEDED in repairing it ONCE, but then the sco= tch worn off and the tape deck got broken forever. Any advice ? I have the following possible solutions: 1) another Sony CFS 6000 boombox from EBay (impossible to find right now) o= r an alternative store 2) a Sanyo MW 250 boombox 3) a digital MP3 STEREO L+R recorder that can be attached to any radio incl= uding the Sony A100 or the Sony SRF-A1 which as a walkman even sounds SLIGH= TLY BETTER than the CFS 6000 4) find a separate oldschool tape deck, a separate amplifier and two separa= te computer-like speakers 5) feed the audio of the Sony CFS 6000 directly into the computer soundcard= - the only drawback is that while for strong skywave signals like KCJJ it = works quite fine, for weak marginal early sunset or post sunrise WINY-1350 = it is far from ideal and also WIRY-1340 is far from pleasant daytime ground= wave Hi-Fi DX listening, it is awfully received with computer hash; also th= is computer QTH had a better look at Massena than at Plattsburgh. Of all those solutions, I can only apply number 5 as of now and maybe numbe= r 3 or 1, thinking about a store known as march=E9 aux puces here in Quebec= . Any thoughts regarding this specific issue ? Also, has anyone ever listen= ed to the AM Stereo recordings I posted on AMSF a few days ago ? ...and it`s so nice to have the power of bringing back into memory songs us= ing an alternative Hi-Fi sound, passive listening is frustrating because so= me of the stations barely have a few strong stereo fade-ups in C-Quam and o= thers have a deeply intriguing fading pattern that is nice to aircheck for = further studying ! Cheers, Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu in Pierrefonds (Montreal`s West Island), Quebec [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Apr 17 17:29:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96811 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2012 00:29:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2012 00:29:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2012 00:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3I0T8gj009531 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:29:08 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.5]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C7CDCE000082 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3564c.48460229.3cbf64d4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:29:08 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:397449888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29084f8e0ad42188 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=zA8QI1obcEch5hzJ6GTbiaYmN5GCLhm5S2grnUuztNGPFKimj8F1 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I have had good luck using a Zen Nano small pocket MP3 recorder for air checks. These are about the size of a cigarette lighter and have a Stereo line level input as well as a small built in microphone for recording. You can find these on Ebay listed under Zen Nano or Creative Zen Nano. A nice model to look for is called the Zen Nano Plus. This one has 1GB of storage and even a small built-in FM tuner. 1 GB of storage will give you many hours of recording time in stereo, plus playback time. What makes these so nice to me is they will operate from a standard AAA battery that can be easily replaced. Many other types of these small MP3 recorders only come with a built-in rechargeable battery that you can't replace, so many times you can be stuck with a low battery when you need it the most. With the Zen Nano you can just pop in a fresh AAA battery and you are ready to go. This recorder seems to be quiet as a mouse when used with a portable radio and it is easy to download the files to your PC. Used prices for the 1GB model seem to be in the $30-$50 range on Ebay. Some of your recent recordings of AM Stereo WIRY 1340 sound like they have good separation. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 4/17/2012 6:03:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, acq@vid eotron.ca writes: Warm greetings to all of you ! I`m looking for an alternative way to record AM stereo signals into any device, since my Sony CFS 6000 tape deck was broken by the Lisette Dupras wonder workers back in 2010. We SUCCEDED in repairing it ONCE, but then the scotch worn off and the tape deck got broken forever. Any advice ? From acq@videotron.ca Tue Apr 17 18:24:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47016 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2012 01:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2012 01:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2012 01:24:57 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M2N000DUILJ2Q70@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <3564c.48460229.3cbf64d4@aol.com> In-reply-to: <3564c.48460229.3cbf64d4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:24:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=LxmlOnC9RiWq9sDRsyu2CDBT6tFNmTXBOaSWlnhB0oP5GkipOqDvu90 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi ! Thanks for your Zan Nano suggestion along with the Zen Nano Plus one ! I`ll try to locate them on either EBay or the local LaSource radio store... In the mean time, may the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: What about KCJJ ? I`m in the same situation as you with airchecks needed during rare condx, so I`m curious if the 1 or 2 KCJJ rec have good separation... I guess today music focus more on stereo sound effects using a single instrument rather than one instrument on L and the other one on R... Well... From: toddroberts2001@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:29 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo airchecks I have had good luck using a Zen Nano small pocket MP3 recorder for air checks. These are about the size of a cigarette lighter and have a Stereo line level input as well as a small built in microphone for recording. You can find these on Ebay listed under Zen Nano or Creative Zen Nano. A nice model to look for is called the Zen Nano Plus. This one has 1GB of storage and even a small built-in FM tuner. 1 GB of storage will give you many hours of recording time in stereo, plus playback time. What makes these so nice to me is they will operate from a standard AAA battery that can be easily replaced. Many other types of these small MP3 recorders only come with a built-in rechargeable battery that you can't replace, so many times you can be stuck with a low battery when you need it the most. With the Zen Nano you can just pop in a fresh AAA battery and you are ready to go. This recorder seems to be quiet as a mouse when used with a portable radio and it is easy to download the files to your PC. Used prices for the 1GB model seem to be in the $30-$50 range on Ebay. Some of your recent recordings of AM Stereo WIRY 1340 sound like they have good separation. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 4/17/2012 6:03:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, acq@vid eotron.ca writes: Warm greetings to all of you ! I`m looking for an alternative way to record AM stereo signals into any device, since my Sony CFS 6000 tape deck was broken by the Lisette Dupras wonder workers back in 2010. We SUCCEDED in repairing it ONCE, but then the scotch worn off and the tape deck got broken forever. Any advice ? 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=jrLE5ssWjlNnI3JhH2CxD4c7nKGZI7SluI0SqLrYfJYRDhA X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Apr 2012 05:44:02 -0000 Well Mike, =C2=A0 there is one mobile am antenna with toploads and is 18 m high with a matt n= et. This transmission is a temporay tets of=C2=A0 3 - 6 month and 1 kW carr= ier, am stereo and 15 kHz audio. Before we will run a 100mw for very local demo in the x-band, due to the ba= ndwidth. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: "mjgrant@aol.com" Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 13 april 2012 1:37 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} aspisys greece??? =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 In a message dated 4/12/2012 5:01:44 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > > I'm also trying to get intuch with him, couse I need an AM stereo=20 > transmitter of 1 kW CQUAM for tests with a mobile am antenna, here in Swe= den. >=20 Mobile AM antenna? An AM antenna of any efficiency and its ground system=20 is large. When you're talking about a mobile AM antenna you're talking abo= ut=20 Radio Caroline / Ross Revenge that operated off a trawler in the North Sea= =20 40 some years ago. Why mobile? You're not going all Capt. Jack Sparrow are ya, Matey? I hear= =20 Swedish prisons are nicer than the Motel 6's here in the States, even the=20 ice and Coke machines work. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 23:18:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85160 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2012 06:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2012 06:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.18) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2012 06:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 06:18:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 06:18:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:18:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.48.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.54 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: AM Stereo airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=UV9oac-NaV5yDptmvpcLp8SdrmLmDi7c560Wh6aEw_OvXr1MKg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! To me, the best option is number 5. But, it is intended if you have a good PC audio card (not the typical "moth= erboard included" cards). You need a good audio recording/editing software,= as well. I don't know the Sony CFS 6000, but... today we can get the Meduci AM Stere= o tuner that has very good specs. This device can be connected directly to = the PC audio card (with an standard RCA connectors stereo audio cable). You= need an external (longer, the longest you can) antenna to get DX signals. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > Warm greetings to all of you ! >=20 > I`m looking for an alternative way to record AM stereo signals into any d= evice, since my Sony CFS 6000 tape deck was broken by the Lisette Dupras wo= nder workers back in 2010. We SUCCEDED in repairing it ONCE, but then the s= cotch worn off and the tape deck got broken forever. >=20 > Any advice ? >=20 > I have the following possible solutions: >=20 > 1) another Sony CFS 6000 boombox from EBay (impossible to find right now)= or an alternative store > 2) a Sanyo MW 250 boombox > 3) a digital MP3 STEREO L+R recorder that can be attached to any radio in= cluding the Sony A100 or the Sony SRF-A1 which as a walkman even sounds SLI= GHTLY BETTER than the CFS 6000 > 4) find a separate oldschool tape deck, a separate amplifier and two sepa= rate computer-like speakers > 5) feed the audio of the Sony CFS 6000 directly into the computer soundca= rd - the only drawback is that while for strong skywave signals like KCJJ i= t works quite fine, for weak marginal early sunset or post sunrise WINY-135= 0 it is far from ideal and also WIRY-1340 is far from pleasant daytime grou= ndwave Hi-Fi DX listening, it is awfully received with computer hash; also = this computer QTH had a better look at Massena than at Plattsburgh. >=20 > Of all those solutions, I can only apply number 5 as of now and maybe num= ber 3 or 1, thinking about a store known as march=E9 aux puces here in Queb= ec. Any thoughts regarding this specific issue ? Also, has anyone ever list= ened to the AM Stereo recordings I posted on AMSF a few days ago ? >=20 > ...and it`s so nice to have the power of bringing back into memory songs = using an alternative Hi-Fi sound, passive listening is frustrating because = some of the stations barely have a few strong stereo fade-ups in C-Quam and= others have a deeply intriguing fading pattern that is nice to aircheck fo= r further studying ! >=20 > Cheers, > Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu in Pierrefonds (Montreal`s West Island), Quebec >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 23:33:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65605 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2012 06:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2012 06:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2012 06:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 06:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 06:32:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:32:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.48.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.54 From: "Jota" Subject: Internet Security Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5qilRLmPx-pXKZlGCvFG3hlI7sBBS8Js1lEahVVkOol3rDEPFg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I know it isn't a radio issue, but... due to my great ignorance about this,= I need some help, here. I wonder to know if someone here has enough information about: 1) How much disconnected from the web we really are when we close the Windo= ws Internet Explorer (or any other browser we use). 2) When we aren't using any Internet Browser software, Can some external ma= licious guy to steal some data from my PC without I note it? If it is YES, = How can I avoid it? It is specifically intended to avoid someone steals mus= ic from my personal collection. 3) Something like above: How much safe is the internal network (inside my s= tation, between the recording room and the "on the air" studio) data interc= hange, knowing both PCs have Internet connection? 4) When we use any kind of chat software (Messenger, etc.), What's happen w= hen the conversation text when we end (close) the session? Is it recorded/r= emain somewhere in the web? Can we avoid or control it? Any data will be welcome!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Apr 18 04:21:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90976 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2012 11:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2012 11:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f52.google.com) (209.85.213.52) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2012 11:21:45 -0000 X-Received: by yhpp61 with SMTP id p61so4407295yhp.11 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 04:21:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.170.70 with SMTP id o46mr1643940yhl.122.1334748105117; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 04:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k8sm38404148anl.12.2012.04.18.04.21.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 18 Apr 2012 04:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:21:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <223291AD-CAAD-4C3D-A65F-33D703EE3057@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Internet Security Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=jucL6yGJNDzGiqLO1OZtAX5q0Jglx9vgNuEOxzcahTPLznIH7eUtbny46FbnTg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:32 AM, Jota wrote: > > 1) How much disconnected from the web we really are when we close the Windows Internet Explorer (or any other browser we use). You are NOT! The ONLY way to be disconnected from the Internet is to physically unplug it. Internet Explorer is an integral part of Windows and it is never really "Off". > 2) When we aren't using any Internet Browser software, Can some external malicious guy to steal some data from my PC without I note it? YES > If it is YES, How can I avoid it? It is specifically intended to avoid someone steals music from my personal collection. At the Stations I am at, we use both Software and Hardware Firewalls. but your best bet os to use a more secure Operating System such as Linux. As a Bonus, one of the best Automation systems out there is FREE for downloading and runs under Linux. http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ If you don't know how to compile and modify Linux Software, it is best to use an "Appliance CD" that will install Rivendell along with the OS such as : http://www.paravelsystems.com/ for 64 Bit computers or http://rrabuntu.sourceforge.net/ for older computers. > 3) Something like above: How much safe is the internal network (inside my station, between the recording room and the "on the air" studio) data interchange, knowing both PCs have Internet connection? Not safe if both Computers are Windows Computers. > 4) When we use any kind of chat software (Messenger, etc.), What's happen when the conversation text when we end (close) the session? Is it recorded/remain somewhere in the web? Can we avoid or control it? This depends on the chat software used, but NOTHING on the internet is private! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 10:16:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84789 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2012 17:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2012 17:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.94) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2012 17:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 17:16:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 17:16:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:16:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3564c.48460229.3cbf64d4@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Lgxelw2XWI6FyKXoXTQjF766aXULF_1ON5SAZJ9aGZpJSEXAVrSb7z0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I always prefer a WAVe file for AM Stereo soundchecks, then you have the 'r= eal deal' and not have a compressed MP3 file. My 2nd choice has been to tak= e a portable Sony MiniDisc recorder with me an a Sony SRF-A100 when hunting= CQUAM on the road - BUT I have to keep the MiniDisc recorder AWAY from the= AM antenna or I get noise back into the radio. If you get a chance to go down to Plattsburgh, New York, WIRY has some true= local programming and a huge swath of stereo music from all genres played = by their live on-air staff (when there's not a ballgame on), and a great CQ= UAM signal. They even have turntables, and use them - the ideal 'real radi= o station' in my logbook. AM radio would be alive and almost well in the U= SA if every city had a true local station like WIRY. ODOT killed my reception of KCJJ putting 3 traffic stations on 1630! How da= re they not consult with a DX'er first?? Getting back to your question; try not to compress your airchecks, but keep= them in native WAVe files if possible. There is also a Tascam portable WA= V file recorder that's quite good too, and runs about $100. John =20 From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Apr 18 14:47:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60211 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2012 21:47:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2012 21:47:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2012 21:47:12 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3ILl7Nr016075 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:47:09 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.13]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 98560E000085 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18d2d.66538635.3cc0905d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:47:09 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445501664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c4f8f365d03d3 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=2fsxhM3unTsvy6Tggvq4zxxi5ERtvv-ZbTgCf9Ah6waApcJYGzzP X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 That is good advice on the Tascam portable digital recorder. It might be a better choice for Bogdan to look for something like a used Tascam DR-07 on Ebay. I have seen even some new open-box DR-07's being sold in the $60 range on Ebay recently. The Tascam DR-07 would be a generation newer than the Zen Nano with lots more features. If I was going to get a newer digital recorder that would be my choice. Plus it runs on standard AA batteries. Now if only we had more local AM stations to listen to like WIRY AM Stereo 1340 in Plattsburgh, NY it would be a nicer world! 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 4/18/2012 1:16:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: I always prefer a WAVe file for AM Stereo soundchecks, then you have the 'real deal' and not have a compressed MP3 file. My 2nd choice has been to take a portable Sony MiniDisc recorder with me an a Sony SRF-A100 when hunting CQUAM on the road - BUT I have to keep the MiniDisc recorder AWAY from the AM antenna or I get noise back into the radio. If you get a chance to go down to Plattsburgh, New York, WIRY has some true local programming and a huge swath of stereo music from all genres played by their live on-air staff (when there's not a ballgame on), and a great CQUAM signal. They even have turntables, and use them - the ideal 'real radio station' in my logbook. AM radio would be alive and almost well in the USA if every city had a true local station like WIRY. ODOT killed my reception of KCJJ putting 3 traffic stations on 1630! How dare they not consult with a DX'er first?? Getting back to your question; try not to compress your airchecks, but keep them in native WAVe files if possible. There is also a Tascam portable WAV file recorder that's quite good too, and runs about $100. John From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 18:40:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23361 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 01:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 01:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.74) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 01:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 01:40:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.76] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 01:40:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 01:40:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 241722.19332.bm@omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 63594 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2012 01:39:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TqDa6_QVM1mt_X2MFXp.bz65SDZwNFw2mZ330MYv_hmhzTH er2UKVZV8i44ODcbcm358MSrl1lZ03pcwUT8uSktiSi9H3vBDUobNHRR1eQI 76uf1ek1T91hK5tdp9H443R5vOtWXuH.bk3Us0XYoTj9LBpkdbOsx6HHNpKH V4WzHMJPWZ0bFu.4geR9OeqK1UnKkxDyggiONKSrn_CkQT2oVrUlvxWRjESQ Qz0qDGEZy.Xthq6nGW6m9V.BTEw7fvdbyCmgqtjdHwl_ahyZVSwWZfMXIOQm po1ZUhyoBHt87hyoMYy_VmVmRkndTicf3iIGxBBuIxFzxErPMdjsJ3E75o2W 9Jg65l8UqHS4AYRxVZhyoXnYW7SkVnjT0E0HHmnsTk7iiXF0jb21VIgC4Afj Vrx4Ws6NfxgMNE.T5BMT3RxaHBNEL5JteAOasIAm0f7zcq0O7B6XTJLfsGUC sH8OqTgbech9LTWG0XUoRN01FVXxU6dty4ZDlh7xN0tUb6yR_hgFq5qBE0KT d5KY5CiBjCONyswOfkk4C5UmAE8znJP7w13yyH7HD0a1hAEpt_xO5e9ZV.zD A_xsUbPbe7lGlk18r._6UtfIQITISm_4w6wdsnLBWD__SgXzuUKKrdQk.UEc H_1yNgfiTCZEpZS9toaiDMNaGGlI3cJgtVVaeZqm1Nzvsb9Qa3WHGh2QgdrO FJL3B8E89oANdqN19FeALLV3ecdxGlXtS5Ls9o4M_StVqpOcwHuLupE3nZ8y _SMeXRZMSJ15WGnF8bJJ7rJ6y.bev_U9xpX22Ltj3ID4vlFHF33ivpo6VISC QbAhTnIT0hsSQBYMND3NQHcCCLB7bSVPrArejf3AKGbpNi1oU69lvvMRvBcD 2S6NtCCkFf53kE5cr0Y4wkfrdMOzrNFWUzUQI9vvHFA-- X-Received: from [184.19.41.190] by web84504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:39:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1334799599.52415.YahooMailNeo@web84504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:39:59 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Reply-To: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=cErVfh4eSaQDQj9zYC3iv26srBKXWGPhNmXOcjxyiT064D09Rolc X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How interesting that the Belar system is all of a sudden appearing in the A= M Stereo discussions! Since I was a participant in the AM Stereo testing (for Magnavox) and devel= oped a great friendship with Arno Meyer (president and owner of Belar in that ti= me frame) perhaps I can offer a few useful comments. The Belar system was actually the old RCA AM Stereo system from the 1950's = when the FCC was first considering broadcast stereo programming. In the 1950's t= he FCC examined stereo on AM and FM, but eventually decided to permit stereo on FM= only since FM in that time was relatively unknown compared to AM. The Belar system placed= the L+R signal on the envelope, and used premphasized FM for the L-R signal modulating the carrier. Belar started with a 2 kHz deviation for the FM signal. Belar was (and is) a very small privately owned broadcast equipment supplier, primarily known for their monitors. They participated in the NAMS= RC testing program (National AM Stereophonic Radio Committee) sponsored by the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) just because they already had th= e equipment developed from the 1950's effort with RCA. Thus, the Belar, Magnavox and Motorola systems were tested under the NAMSRC program. The test program included laboratory testing and over the air test= ing (WGMS and WTOP for ground wave)(WBT for skywave).=20 I do have copies given to Magnavox of the over-the-air tests in the NAMSRC program , and they have been ditigized by one of the local Fort Wayne music companies. The digitized OTA test recordings required about a dozen CDs, an= d were recorded in the WMA format. In listening to them, I suspect the compression of the WMA format stripped off some of the audio artifacts (a p= olite word for system defects) I noted during the test program (or else my ears a= re not as good as they were 45 years ago). The NAMSRC tests used a fixed set o= f music (a 27 MB WMA file) that was played OTA for each system under the 3 conditions. That results in about 300 MB of recorded OTA test programming. = I toyed with putting that on the internet, but have not done so yet. That is = a lot of file space to use up, and there needs to be an explanation of each o= f the recordings to provide a good understanding of what is happening. =A0 Bob Streeter =20 ________________________________ From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:08 AM Subject: {AMSF} Belar AM stereo =20=20 One highly interesting question this time around: has anyone ever heard a B= elar AM broadcast, i.e. on WJR ? Was the distortion against regular monaura= l AM the ONLY reason for it to being dropped out of the picture, leaving th= e way for the other systems, Motorola C-Quam being the winner ? 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ID required) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 18:50:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29952 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 01:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 01:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.202) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 01:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 01:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.85] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 01:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 01:50:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 653968.84236.bm@omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 95752 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2012 01:50:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _S.LSjEVM1kPuKYakh9KIdSfh0DaaPntQ3_LNJ0ouxugnJ. tu29u6CsFWuZmJ0x7aANYxIlyRSvOlE30xTlm.f5zXNj0xI0Mi55KXzGQiYo YmPdFdyRIv43j6vVcxQe3wrtaAnciUS5M9lwbwyWNwcqSotNGl6iKFJGfrG5 9vTRLOpjr1CbWGmUBoN3Ldhv0SN1uNqFyT34yELmg94yjvlsUbeBcvuOpdf8 ukrehTD9Q7dWafgtmi8u5G9IQ0jbjL9OYkhcXVtca.J8_WXJqJhLXzLxE61D _LB138vlGyOkiWQTWWAufHBQ1sPUaD5KC2O7GUeEAcQ.a.DH0acmZS4NzrBw 8zROZCp8mVO.OOIFef6HfGEJz3ZcqOvPZ2lOavUU5EC_ALA8kJNjh0AfTNPa .mqJmoYeslrU04xr18O6gSwqCHMhbycl70l_8PfSUo7hOIV0x5cNJYKisfez FLqnPAAoZFau0gXRQASorfa8EeW4uotz8N1rkwa_5bZfa_L08AIItY.dPYzy kwulQGEk4EMD00t2KgZAQX1QF.S4LVZA7HVqQNhqMQh1tJcHOPu5IRDZD5_f fo943doYZeP2m0wSJyopCC8VlF3N1Y3aOFT7QD9G3v3Uhmk1ub0mL3bwtPW_ 8269YX4366lXAn.xxe3aUpf1M7wHexE5cdiEyp1llBWaIG8wbQCKJvxjXEYf 2atY_3GhEfDKcRNs809.4vQFMzBLvzdKdCn4ymQjN6j7_f6USDvtFlmLKPl7 ttWXnMy0YKO0qRfLW9EJCyRBQsflaQBoCyBi5VtIqPOZVoN8tala0zxD6AKZ xo7I889nzVbS7FCvK_Psiynqn6enbholxaBCo.cOKSxaGMVtmU6fo3nhyK.I Fv_uIuE915IEFlPPFT_mdCn4DgrdsSRldunX75KaBAr2RPTe5pWBISXqaDgS qOGWP X-Received: from [184.19.41.190] by web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:50:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1334800225.78516.YahooMailNeo@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:50:25 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Reply-To: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=RydtInq2qj-HRQk2IZr9Swbear8iU5r85S-xDWthhCOXP55OTGna X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since I was a participant in the Delco test program as the Magnavox system = engineer, perhaps I can offer a few comments. =A0 Delso arranged for a local AM station in Kokomo to broadcast each of the AM= stereo signals under carefully supervised conditions.=A0 Each proponent se= t up the AM station to transmit their version of AM Stereo, and also provid= ed Delco with a converted Delco AM receiver for AM stereo testing in a Delc= o test vehicle.=A0 The Delco receiver model provided to each proponent was = the same identical model, so there would be no performance variation due to= the basic receiver.=A0 I suspect the station is now WIOU, but I do not kno= w if=A0the station=A0had those call letters back in the 1980's time frame. =A0 Magnavox, Motorola, and Harris were the only participants in the Delco test= s.=A0 Any Delco activity with Belar or Kahn was outside the formal Delco te= st program. =A0 I have copies of the FCC published test results.=A0 As far as I know, none = of the internal private FCC discussions on AM stereo was ever made public. =A0 Bob Streeter =20 ________________________________ From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:16 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo =20=20 Hi, If I remember correctly, Delco in Kokomo, Indiana needed actual broadca= st stations for testing AM stereo in the very early 80s, so WOWO provided t= he Magnavox test signal, WJR provided the Belar test signal, CKLW provided = the Harris System, and I'm not sure if it was a local for C-Quam before WJR= broadcast in CQuam, and if there was an Indy station for Kahn?=A0 Anybody = recall reading the FCC test reports? Regards, John PS: WIRY has some great music and local flavor: wish their intenet feed was= better than dial-up - too bad they can't provide a better feed. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > One highly interesting question this time around: has anyone ever heard a= Belar AM broadcast, i.e. on WJR ? Was the distortion against regular monau= ral AM the ONLY reason for it to being dropped out of the picture, leaving = the way for the other systems, Motorola C-Quam being the winner ? >=20 > Cheers, > Bogdan in Pierrefonds >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 19:02:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49783 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 02:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 02:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.96) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 02:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 02:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.68] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 02:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 02:01:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 13164.67144.bm@omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 50327 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2012 02:01:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XMSax6UVM1ngtB5yy.fpGrWj.aoCj4NEIdpRwRgqtKj8mxm 4.dFWmBHeuoehSnOeQKDz7pjorz5tkoqoO0CQOdh_ho9W2.UxP4n_IoblCdO iIo.2rm8fQol850.tkKnr.jtqkr.pjNTPuuVvJ.VbqOuIieUrjddNH.Z7S1t 2rwm63Q0y8qd7j4YNpl1Y0V_l2vYl1G80GrYc8sLETp2eXAWJ1AndKW_9H2K CLlHerzYkvjQTU.z9afWT3l1UUQktT_lGVURsZLioXA0HFsojVamtCpqEJm3 g8RjaF4W5IUDEDO8T_gcKvvJfr.ZuveV6MDC3Tlt03pTeIWl1yP.F6toSKZU iayErMxKMamlADyPCfxOh7umPKkLX0lDy7EKNuNlVT6WNJK_xvCyk8XiGD86 mmHMSoQMKUHuUW2smN74doKw1r2hqOpCu8A53zaO4eQAOWx7W9D9FlYLtYNJ J4YkBzxR64Uh97PkI2Fav1i_hbORgeZqze0BYscpNIB906E2RPLHmCj5jdke i5pbXdhbV._W.6vys.WtG_CnI0nEHTTF2IB6t2eRE32.Iex1rgGefgPyt1DG c_O.W8Epvilp0s38IJsIUipQnv7ZwUo88aMAg_.t26SHT40_rbjKd.A8O4XN U_o1oCE1yIvqPIiuvn7C4Own9acd271A3uMeWLAJYRH8lAAboeGUh6zRp6bN iKgzTpzHbx04sO..R2XzLQIyDY5RkWuoAa0Z1Vjk936b7zc7GQPCEtQ0c6YP R9iOMiKVnSZhP5O_MF7iRvIibhUc9_3NcE_ga_DeG90DtA14VGgEswjebeT5 JUjYchWc16We5tiNjlUEL9W66ZdXv0cq_e0f2zDuUiklPJ3.BUI8guDzQj1E tEidKG4IrAMTgOVyDOc4sbxapDp5ORQBtkUV907p.fPTvGc6HwORXIG7dej6 HT3pm X-Received: from [184.19.41.190] by web84515.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:01:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1334800868.48951.YahooMailNeo@web84515.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:01:08 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Reply-To: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=B9PmLQiqo-HBvUO0CiMsu6i7lRX0PQUoee1MwiW5v4ODjQeKOP0a X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking of the AM Stereo money... My guess is that Belar spent about $300K on their system,=A0 amd I think Ma= gnavox spent about $2M supporting their system (I estimate $1M=A0on lawyers when the FCC selec= ted Magnavox as the system of choice),=20 and I estimate Motorola spent over $300M (Yes...thats millions) on system d= evelopment and promotion. Motorola=20 also managed to get GM to spend $200M (my guess) and Chrysler to spend $100= M=20 (my guess) on the Motorola system after the Delco decision to support=20 Motorola.=20 =A0 You may recall that Ford decided to stay out of the AM Stereo wars. Belar had one engineer part time working on their system, Magnavox had 2 fu= ll time engineers on their system (with up to 5 engineers for very short perio= ds of time), and Motorola had a crew of 6 engineers present at the NAMSRC tests a= nd many more back home as part of their system development. =A0 Harris was not a participant in AM Stereo until after the FCC directed the = staff to prepare rules for the Magnavox system.=A0 There may be an erroneou= s impression that the FCC selected Magnavox, but that is not what actually = happened.=A0 I would guess that Harris spent about as much in their AM Ster= eo bid as Magnavox spent, since Harris had a large crew working on their sy= stem. =A0 Kahn did not directly participate in any of the competitive AM Stereo test = programs.=A0 Kahn did recruit Hazeltine to provide financial and paper tech= nical support for the FCC activities...thus the Kahn system is often referr= ed to as the Kahn-Hazeltine system.=A0 I do not think much money was spent = by that group...perhaps less than Belar spent. =A0 Bob Streeter =20 ________________________________ From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:29 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo =20=20 Hi Gang!!! I never knew any about the Belar system but... Men!!! It isn't a secret tha= t the final main reason because Motorola won the war was... THEY HAD THE MO= NEY!!! I don't want to say that they sold the FCC final decision, no, no, no. I just want to say they had (and still have) enough money to do it. So... From the technical corner, C-QUAM has only one, just one, better specs than= ISB (Kahn) system: the final signal to noise ratio. Why? Well, ISB use the sidebands separately, so... you get the noise from b= elow and above the carrier separately (LSB against noise and USB against no= ise separately). C-QUAM, as any mono transmission, use both sidebands with = the same signal (L+R) so... you get less noise from the background (LSB+USB= against the noise). But, about separation, reliability, etc., ISB is better than C-QUAM at LW, = MW and SW bands. Even so, I don't think you could use C-QUAM at SW bands but a very local se= rvice. At skywave DX world, the phasing SW inherent problems will kill the = C-QUAM signal most of the times. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Hi, If I remember correctly, Delco in Kokomo, Indiana needed actual broad= cast stations for testing AM stereo in the very early 80s, so WOWO provided= the Magnavox test signal, WJR provided the Belar test signal, CKLW provide= d the Harris System, and I'm not sure if it was a local for C-Quam before W= JR broadcast in CQuam, and if there was an Indy station for Kahn?=A0 Anybod= y recall reading the FCC test reports? > Regards, > John >=20 > PS: WIRY has some great music and local flavor: wish their intenet feed w= as better than dial-up - too bad they can't provide a better feed. >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > > > One highly interesting question this time around: has anyone ever heard= a Belar AM broadcast, i.e. on WJR ? Was the distortion against regular mon= aural AM the ONLY reason for it to being dropped out of the picture, leavin= g the way for the other systems, Motorola C-Quam being the winner ? > >=20 > > Cheers, > > Bogdan in Pierrefonds > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 19:11:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50403 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 02:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 02:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.76) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 02:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 02:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.85] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 02:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 02:11:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 856423.95648.bm@omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 43370 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2012 02:11:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bHLYFwkVM1kSQ2uwbuVHXYERYhtT9YCYk6dDSB6Pz6uF8eG y2.8R0nDAZ30uPJl_L5xS0GudwkRJQqznYHS8vVUfIG.r7YWtJBQlFg.vcDC 7NBp9ZQb86M6nADB0TPn50RYLTnd0Zu_PVNA47FFNYaJXGiEtQklIE.TqME3 vsgdAx4m58KpxMPuRSB0N5KZhwGcUFe54vrMMkNlwDgYAh4akrZ1f.KL.thc Zjyzi2myVI2ZmpNWmbQ.R5bKNLKwqQ8w1i5Gkc8QLFeYgJBGX._xR1X28Ku7 H7cZy9p91nt33Bn.n9JFgOlC9odpCoTJhPxWtmmyBmUnkQXEHqvctAte3KJL mvmxU9y.TPfxM2.ixhCg.Jf7V9z1QlbeAF4lomP3VXUEOhiIEqEZOPHw._UI M.yR3QqbvaUIz6BNvkHOVw9uEXSWFPkB8g5tD747ufcKjXT_5DZcw8K9oDdm EJS6reOHjN4Wxcb98ixToPEFmegpdIbuqVwmcv6Gm5sxAuo9X0zy7VQLoCBE ZkjXHo1ZLiJvocb7XYjciNehCCcBccZ.YgXMmCgYhQ05PO67KItAQI._AbUS wamqhCBXSwBVLqKOXnEmT7MCQsqXs3DNp8uLekVKBedGs1yAK50W1phzcw.2 KAeC..M9s._PthjdtW9kcgMaA_Byhu4xaJLLCjD88DVzVwso5Gso3jhFyFy7 N4lKkWWoUboP2nhFvh.BLVbnfxTcuZbA3vXmDLtcc_Faq5Eiavq.SZDMZFwg uxTX47v01D9Qtu77NocCNKMHZBwAbVzdEVlnEjjnFiUlu.sOctzzgStUPaqP pQJW.cupcB5Hmw8LkjHJU50d76.WV9nd_JPOIfJV7nYGMZBsK52qghJniOsQ M8pohxC1ho4D.w_2me5p1luh71MCTdGalfiAfE5kYB_pBWNFl.3ak5yp4eUX kxXvYreZqgJJNlbd2GjoZasjwknfJJO2IEajVPs.ioAD.ow-- X-Received: from [184.19.41.190] by web84512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:11:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4F8A3B6F.7010209@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1334801488.9119.YahooMailNeo@web84512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:11:28 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.76 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Reply-To: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=duEe1FAtAUPI7yPoa-dj17T8jpey35BrxZuNb7-nqT-EVdjlX4OK X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The current Wiki information on AM Stereo does have some glaring errors, bu= t the U S patents by Magnavox, Motorola, Harris, and Kahn are available on line a= nd are the correct source of system definition. It is all in the patents, prim= arily in the claims section.=A0 The descriptive text and figures are instru= ctive, but it is the claims that determine the patent coverage. =A0 The US Patent Office website is www.uspto.gov. =A0 I do not recall that RCA or Belar=20 ever applied for patents on the AM-FM stereo system. =A0 Over the several years of AM Stereo testing, the Belar system gradually cha= nged from the original AM-FM system to be quite similar to the Magnavox system. = I recall Norm Parker (Motorola=20 Senior VP assigned to AM Stereo) complaining that the last of the FCC compa= rison charts had the same=20 technology rated first (Magnavox) and last (Belar)! While that is not total= ly=20 correct, he was mostly correct.=20 =A0 So you do have the situation where the=20 money spent on the system does indeed determine (to a geat extent) on how t= he=20 system performs.=A0 The enormous investment by Motorola was a huge factor i= n their success. Bob Streeter =A0=20 ________________________________ From: Jota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 2:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Belar AM stereo =20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > That means they would have to have bought off every other country that=20 > adopted it as well.=A0 Every other country that had AM stereo went with=20 > CQUAM.=A0 Moto was in a unique position to create an end to end system.=20 > It also helps they manufacture their own chips, plus they licensed them=20 > so cheaply. >=20 > As a comparison to the computer world, Apple may be better than the PC,=20 > but it was a lot cheaper and gained acceptance that way.=A0 The old Beta= =20 > video cassette system had superior picture to the VHS, but since=20 > consumers wanted the longer playing times VHS won.=A0 So you see, there=20 > are many ways winners and losers are created.=A0 It isn't necessarily=20 > graft and corruption (though that can always be a possibility too.) >=20 > Scott Todd > They didn't need to buy any other country. They just had to win the war in = USA. Most of the America countries (remember USA isn't the only "America", = it is just part of the whole continent) normally follows (or copy) the FCC = regulations (it has been the case in Chile, always, but the AM Stereo war, = Chile didn't take an official position about this). BTW: Where in the web is a very good technical and practical explanation (I= mean other than Wikipedia) about ALL the AM Stereo systems? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 22:06:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63466 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 05:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 05:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.171) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 05:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 05:06:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 05:06:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:06:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <223291AD-CAAD-4C3D-A65F-33D703EE3057@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.56.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.191 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Internet Security Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=zSJeGE0D16RAfmcK3T-Oeo3UxWL60CIaO_12JP_Ztd-M5neJog X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Thank you so much for your data!!! Woah!!! It is unbelievable how much "private-less" there is in the web!!! I've been tempted to change all my PCs to Linux, BUT... I have some doubts = about the compatibility with my today software. I use Windows based only so= ftware (Office, Adobe Audition 1.5 and Cakewalk Home Studio) to my papers, = audio and music (MIDI) works. Any data about it? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:32 AM, Jota wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > 1) How much disconnected from the web we really are when we close the W= indows Internet Explorer (or any other browser we use). >=20 > You are NOT! The ONLY way to be disconnected from the Internet is to phys= ically unplug it. Internet Explorer is an integral part of Windows and it i= s never really "Off". >=20 > > 2) When we aren't using any Internet Browser software, Can some externa= l malicious guy to steal some data from my PC without I note it? >=20 > YES >=20 > > If it is YES, How can I avoid it? It is specifically intended to avoid = someone steals music from my personal collection. >=20 > At the Stations I am at, we use both Software and Hardware Firewalls. but= your best bet os to use a more secure Operating System such as Linux. As a= Bonus, one of the best Automation systems out there is FREE for downloadin= g and runs under Linux. >=20 > http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ >=20 > If you don't know how to compile and modify Linux Software, it is best to= use an "Appliance CD" that will install Rivendell along with the OS such a= s : >=20 > http://www.paravelsystems.com/ for 64 Bit computers or http://rrabuntu.so= urceforge.net/ for older computers. >=20 > > 3) Something like above: How much safe is the internal network (inside = my station, between the recording room and the "on the air" studio) data in= terchange, knowing both PCs have Internet connection? >=20 > Not safe if both Computers are Windows Computers. >=20 > > 4) When we use any kind of chat software (Messenger, etc.), What's happ= en when the conversation text when we end (close) the session? Is it record= ed/remain somewhere in the web? Can we avoid or control it? >=20 > This depends on the chat software used, but NOTHING on the internet is pr= ivate! >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Apr 18 23:13:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29083 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 06:13:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 06:13:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com) (209.85.215.52) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 06:13:33 -0000 X-Received: by lahi5 with SMTP id i5so7893102lah.11 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:13:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.146.234 with SMTP id tf10mr734801lab.31.1334816012078; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:13:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.114.4 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:13:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <223291AD-CAAD-4C3D-A65F-33D703EE3057@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:13:32 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Internet Security Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=8NdsO17m-L1H_BJIiXfrx4XdV9YGLCaSgmfCS3x_i_facVUA X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jota, here are some equivalents on Linux: Office - Open Office Adobe Audition - Audacity or Ardour Cakewalk - Rosegarden Dan On 19 April 2012 13:06, Jota wrote: > ** > > > Hi!!! > > Thank you so much for your data!!! > > Woah!!! It is unbelievable how much "private-less" there is in the web!!! > > I've been tempted to change all my PCs to Linux, BUT... I have some doubt= s > about the compatibility with my today software. I use Windows based only > software (Office, Adobe Audition 1.5 and Cakewalk Home Studio) to my > papers, audio and music (MIDI) works. Any data about it? ??? > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:32 AM, Jota wrote: > > > > > > > > 1) How much disconnected from the web we really are when we close the > Windows Internet Explorer (or any other browser we use). > > > > You are NOT! The ONLY way to be disconnected from the Internet is to > physically unplug it. Internet Explorer is an integral part of Windows an= d > it is never really "Off". > > > > > 2) When we aren't using any Internet Browser software, Can some > external malicious guy to steal some data from my PC without I note it? > > > > YES > > > > > If it is YES, How can I avoid it? It is specifically intended to avoi= d > someone steals music from my personal collection. > > > > At the Stations I am at, we use both Software and Hardware Firewalls. > but your best bet os to use a more secure Operating System such as Linux. > As a Bonus, one of the best Automation systems out there is FREE for > downloading and runs under Linux. > > > > http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ > > > > If you don't know how to compile and modify Linux Software, it is best > to use an "Appliance CD" that will install Rivendell along with the OS su= ch > as : > > > > http://www.paravelsystems.com/ for 64 Bit computers or > http://rrabuntu.sourceforge.net/ for older computers. > > > > > 3) Something like above: How much safe is the internal network (insid= e > my station, between the recording room and the "on the air" studio) data > interchange, knowing both PCs have Internet connection? > > > > Not safe if both Computers are Windows Computers. > > > > > 4) When we use any kind of chat software (Messenger, etc.), What's > happen when the conversation text when we end (close) the session? Is it > recorded/remain somewhere in the web? Can we avoid or control it? > > > > This depends on the chat software used, but NOTHING on the internet is > private! > > > > 73, > > Kevin Raper > > KJ4HYD > > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Apr 19 00:45:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45632 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 07:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 07:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.213.173) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 07:45:25 -0000 X-Received: by yenr5 with SMTP id r5so4989940yen.32 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:45:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.185.168 with SMTP id u28mr928524yhm.73.1334821524598; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm1161398anu.6.2012.04.19.00.45.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:45:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <223291AD-CAAD-4C3D-A65F-33D703EE3057@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Internet Security Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=a0xBOfqBORgjn8dWqURAvW1KPyklvqOHQXhdhrAA7lbmssU-lnOaSy4GK6i9dg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 19, 2012, at 2:13 AM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > Office - Open Office > Adobe Audition - Audacity or Ardour > Cakewalk - Rosegarden Right, and not only will those programs do the same things, they are compatible with the Files created by the Windows Programs, and the Windows programs are compatible with the Linux programs. Not only that, but ubuntu Linux plays nice with Windows & Mac, and even talks to Windows & Mac computers on the same Network at WCKI. At home, Ubuntu talks to Mac, Puppy Linux, and RRAbuntu on my Part 15 Low Power Station. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 19 09:33:49 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74237 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 16:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 16:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.200) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 16:33:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1334853225; bh=sliyJ6V3LYB/FOKyazi/q5GfBtvFiaKkgT9aau2Fun8=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZJX/NtDDgXZ9Py57DggD2we9DopgZ8LwaTAFugSFd4dUUvz60SEl4fHtdt4Q+xNZpQi2hk6eUO4Vuq95advq+EvCUAGjCWnaM2c37aDSt+2LSFshCkwBWSrO6efMniYn Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 16:33:45 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 16:33:45 -0000 Date: 19 Apr 2012 16:33:45 -0000 Message-ID: <1334853225.88958.42939.w12@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /marantz_ST6001_SM1.zip Uploaded by : pdmtr Description : MARANTZ ST6001 or ST6000 AM STEREO Tuner Service Manual! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/marantz_ST6001_SM1.zip To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, pdmtr From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 09:44:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1464 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 16:44:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 16:44:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.94) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 16:44:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 16:44:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 16:44:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:44:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.74.230.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.74.230.24 From: "pdmtr" Subject: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO reception! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=yw2F6MkBHIl9kACPmz0l49NVxyuQH1tMQNRgUeEpXnY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I have just upload photos of the inside of a MARANTZ ST-6001 tuner showing = how you can easily make it to receive CQUAM AM STEREO stations!=20 You can see them at=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/photos/album/979179247/pic/list= =20 And to wrok it out I have also provided the Service manual of the ST-6000 t= uner (its exactly the same with ST-6001 EU model) with all the drawings and= schematics!=20 Both the ST6000 & ST6001 are ready made inside to support AM STEREO recepti= on, although MARANTZ has not soldered the components in their places at PCB= ! However is far to easy to do it. You will need an MC13022DW (SMT version)= and the 3.6MHz resonator of course! These are the main parts, as all perip= herals to them are common off the self parts!=20 So here it is! A tuner that is still available on market as brand new (stil= l in the MARANTZ catalog till 2010)!=20 Hope that will help AM STEREO funs have another receiver on their hands!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr From dannibou@yahoo.ca Thu Apr 19 13:25:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dannibou@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78414 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 20:25:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 20:25:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.109) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 20:25:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 20:25:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 20:25:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:25:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.163.113.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.163.113.51 From: "dannibou" Subject: Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO reception! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63822044; y=qrGyrHC4lx0bxrnT9bQyJYyB6Pbft2oxV2jAmEA5gQqwn3g X-Yahoo-Profile: dannibou You will need an MC13022DW (SMT version) and the 3.6MHz resonator of cours= e! These are the main parts Hi. Do you know where these parts can be found? Danny From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 15:22:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33641 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 22:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 22:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.78) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 22:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 22:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 22:22:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:22:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.236.31.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.236.31.146 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Internet Security Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=nmXt3_o9Wp_uyEcqjeRy2_iixuR3soUJzVeaOTebMBaMvvhzcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I know and I use OpneOffice. It is a very good suite. But there are some th= ings which are more easy with the old MS Office (I still use the very old 1= 997 version and, believe me, I'm not sure if the other newest version are b= etter; even more, I'm not sure if the people that use the newest versions h= ad full dominated all the old version functions). I don't want to seem a Linux enemy, but I've tested Audacity (the free Wind= ows version) and... I prefer the Adobe Audition results (specially in the n= oise reduction area). I don't know if the Linux version is better. I've rea= lly never used Linux in any way!!! BTW: I don't know and I never heard about Rosegarden. Can you give me the a= ddress to download it, please? (If there is a Windows compatible version, o= f course). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, witha lot of love and hope. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hi Jota, >=20 > here are some equivalents on Linux: >=20 > Office - Open Office > Adobe Audition - Audacity or Ardour > Cakewalk - Rosegarden >=20 > Dan >=20 > On 19 April 2012 13:06, Jota wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Hi!!! > > > > Thank you so much for your data!!! > > > > Woah!!! It is unbelievable how much "private-less" there is in the web!= !! > > > > I've been tempted to change all my PCs to Linux, BUT... I have some dou= bts > > about the compatibility with my today software. I use Windows based onl= y > > software (Office, Adobe Audition 1.5 and Cakewalk Home Studio) to my > > papers, audio and music (MIDI) works. Any data about it? ??? > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:32 AM, Jota wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > 1) How much disconnected from the web we really are when we close t= he > > Windows Internet Explorer (or any other browser we use). > > > > > > You are NOT! The ONLY way to be disconnected from the Internet is to > > physically unplug it. Internet Explorer is an integral part of Windows = and > > it is never really "Off". > > > > > > > 2) When we aren't using any Internet Browser software, Can some > > external malicious guy to steal some data from my PC without I note it? > > > > > > YES > > > > > > > If it is YES, How can I avoid it? It is specifically intended to av= oid > > someone steals music from my personal collection. > > > > > > At the Stations I am at, we use both Software and Hardware Firewalls. > > but your best bet os to use a more secure Operating System such as Linu= x. > > As a Bonus, one of the best Automation systems out there is FREE for > > downloading and runs under Linux. > > > > > > http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ > > > > > > If you don't know how to compile and modify Linux Software, it is bes= t > > to use an "Appliance CD" that will install Rivendell along with the OS = such > > as : > > > > > > http://www.paravelsystems.com/ for 64 Bit computers or > > http://rrabuntu.sourceforge.net/ for older computers. > > > > > > > 3) Something like above: How much safe is the internal network (ins= ide > > my station, between the recording room and the "on the air" studio) dat= a > > interchange, knowing both PCs have Internet connection? > > > > > > Not safe if both Computers are Windows Computers. > > > > > > > 4) When we use any kind of chat software (Messenger, etc.), What's > > happen when the conversation text when we end (close) the session? Is i= t > > recorded/remain somewhere in the web? Can we avoid or control it? > > > > > > This depends on the chat software used, but NOTHING on the internet i= s > > private! > > > > > > 73, > > > Kevin Raper > > > KJ4HYD > > > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematic= al > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kah= n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Thu Apr 19 16:20:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26148 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 23:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 23:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 23:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3JNJigc014761 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:19:44 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.13]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9692BE000085 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <21b84.7a91a464.3cc1f790@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:19:44 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:457598560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d4f909d906d2a X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO recep... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=gaX1bWOaRpC5v2OjzIwwlrgM0IwPqU1cleQe9ucF5hQcRl0DgpXX X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 There is at least one seller on Ebay who has the mc13022 smt version stereo decoder chips for sale. The 3.6 MHz resonators are just about impossible to find these days but I did read you can substitute a coil/capacitor tuned circuit for 3.6MHz that you can make yourself in place of the ceramic resonator. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 4/19/2012 4:26:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dannibou@yahoo.ca writes: You will need an MC13022DW (SMT version) and the 3.6MHz resonator of course! These are the main parts Hi. Do you know where these parts can be found? Danny From dannibou@yahoo.ca Thu Apr 19 16:58:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dannibou@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17818 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 23:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2012 23:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.139) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 23:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 23:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 23:58:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:58:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <21b84.7a91a464.3cc1f790@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.163.113.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.163.113.51 From: "dannibou" Subject: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO recep... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63822044; y=5Prw0Y4yMoWi0GzSOKpxUwAEidfagySImkQxLKuhuvUuH0A X-Yahoo-Profile: dannibou --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > There is at least one seller on Ebay who has the mc13022 smt version ster= eo=20 > decoder chips for sale. The 3.6 MHz resonators are just about impossible= =20 > to find > these days but I did read you can substitute a coil/capacitor tuned circu= it=20 > for 3.6MHz=20 > that you can make yourself in place of the ceramic resonator.=20 >=20=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG Thanks Todd From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 19 20:14:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67111 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2012 03:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2012 03:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.55) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2012 03:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2012 03:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2012 03:14:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 03:14:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.30.66.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.66.35 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO recep... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=_Q_16PuHfVyy6A4uxteMoudsuW0mICTM6Sa02Ue-EwvePIKgyRAuMr0C9xPxsQiGsCIA5s2o X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Did Motorola start the AMAX campiam with the MC13022? I don't know = witch one of the chips that thay used in the Delco UX 1 but it sounded grat= !!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dannibou" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@ wrote: > > > > There is at least one seller on Ebay who has the mc13022 smt version st= ereo=20 > > decoder chips for sale. The 3.6 MHz resonators are just about impossib= le=20 > > to find > > these days but I did read you can substitute a coil/capacitor tuned cir= cuit=20 > > for 3.6MHz=20 > > that you can make yourself in place of the ceramic resonator.=20 > >=20=20 > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20 > Thanks Todd > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 19 20:18:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13111 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2012 03:18:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2012 03:18:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2012 03:18:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2012 03:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2012 03:18:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 03:18:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.30.66.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.66.35 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO recep... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=9BbQBuyFB6QWNd9i0jklNEBClIPgoerhs7RK1ljNnRAgk8VXY5wqftc4OAIfzSbm5JjoZNDv X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I am getting tired and i had for gotten to ask how well dose the M= C13022 performs? Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Gang Did Motorola start the AMAX campiam with the MC13022? I don't kno= w witch one of the chips that thay used in the Delco UX 1 but it sounded gr= at!!!! Jim Smith > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dannibou" wrote: > > > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@ wrote: > > > > > > There is at least one seller on Ebay who has the mc13022 smt version = stereo=20 > > > decoder chips for sale. The 3.6 MHz resonators are just about imposs= ible=20 > > > to find > > > these days but I did read you can substitute a coil/capacitor tuned c= ircuit=20 > > > for 3.6MHz=20 > > > that you can make yourself in place of the ceramic resonator.=20 > > >=20=20 > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > >=20 > > Thanks Todd > > > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Apr 19 20:57:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34986 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2012 03:57:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2012 03:57:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com) (209.85.215.54) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2012 03:57:49 -0000 X-Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so8895598lag.13 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:57:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.101.162 with SMTP id fh2mr2165092lbb.20.1334894267787; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.114.4 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:57:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:57:47 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Internet Security Issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=3x_TvI9EdldZSyMs4-4Cwud5QCqoVQueU8yFE2wbdbkjXEpA X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jota, I don't want to seem a Linux enemy, but I've tested Audacity (the free > Windows version) and... I prefer the Adobe Audition results (specially in > the noise reduction area). I don't know if the Linux version is better. > I've really never used Linux in any way!!! > Here are some tips regarding noise reduction in Audacity: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=3DNoise_Removal Apparently the newer plugin has some new parameters that you can experiment with. I think the method used is similar to that used by audition (ie. sampling the noise in a silent section of audio and getting a 'noiseprint'. Being open source plugins, you could write your own if your good at maths or DSP :) When applying noise reduction to vinyl, I like to take a minimalist approach and keep the original needle drop recording in case a better algorithm is discovered in the future. > > BTW: I don't know and I never heard about Rosegarden. Can you give me the > address to download it, please? (If there is a Windows compatible version= , > of course). > http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ I don't think this has been ported to Windows. If you want to try it out, I would install Ubuntu as Kevin mentioned on a spare computer first and see if it meets your requirements. Ubuntu has a good user base and is pretty easy to install. The beauty of Ubuntu is its packaging system. This means you don't have to go to websites to download software (for most applications) and search for dependencies. It does it automatically. Cheers, Dan > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, witha lot of love and hope. > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli > wrote: > > > > Hi Jota, > > > > here are some equivalents on Linux: > > > > Office - Open Office > > Adobe Audition - Audacity or Ardour > > Cakewalk - Rosegarden > > > > Dan > > > > On 19 April 2012 13:06, Jota wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > Hi!!! > > > > > > Thank you so much for your data!!! > > > > > > Woah!!! It is unbelievable how much "private-less" there is in the > web!!! > > > > > > I've been tempted to change all my PCs to Linux, BUT... I have some > doubts > > > about the compatibility with my today software. I use Windows based > only > > > software (Office, Adobe Audition 1.5 and Cakewalk Home Studio) to my > > > papers, audio and music (MIDI) works. Any data about it? ??? > > > > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:32 AM, Jota wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) How much disconnected from the web we really are when we close > the > > > Windows Internet Explorer (or any other browser we use). > > > > > > > > You are NOT! The ONLY way to be disconnected from the Internet is t= o > > > physically unplug it. Internet Explorer is an integral part of Window= s > and > > > it is never really "Off". > > > > > > > > > 2) When we aren't using any Internet Browser software, Can some > > > external malicious guy to steal some data from my PC without I note i= t? > > > > > > > > YES > > > > > > > > > If it is YES, How can I avoid it? It is specifically intended to > avoid > > > someone steals music from my personal collection. > > > > > > > > At the Stations I am at, we use both Software and Hardware Firewall= s. > > > but your best bet os to use a more secure Operating System such as > Linux. > > > As a Bonus, one of the best Automation systems out there is FREE for > > > downloading and runs under Linux. > > > > > > > > http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ > > > > > > > > If you don't know how to compile and modify Linux Software, it is > best > > > to use an "Appliance CD" that will install Rivendell along with the O= S > such > > > as : > > > > > > > > http://www.paravelsystems.com/ for 64 Bit computers or > > > http://rrabuntu.sourceforge.net/ for older computers. > > > > > > > > > 3) Something like above: How much safe is the internal network > (inside > > > my station, between the recording room and the "on the air" studio) > data > > > interchange, knowing both PCs have Internet connection? > > > > > > > > Not safe if both Computers are Windows Computers. > > > > > > > > > 4) When we use any kind of chat software (Messenger, etc.), What'= s > > > happen when the conversation text when we end (close) the session? Is > it > > > recorded/remain somewhere in the web? Can we avoid or control it? > > > > > > > > This depends on the chat software used, but NOTHING on the internet > is > > > private! > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > Kevin Raper > > > > KJ4HYD > > > > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > > > > > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical > > > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard > Kahn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 00:45:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1546 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2012 07:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2012 07:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.148) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2012 07:45:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2012 07:45:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2012 07:45:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:45:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.74.230.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.74.230.24 From: "pdmtr" Subject: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO recep... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=SM1ls9116_a5MHt9PM6aT9gNmR0ryYFZtSAc36oC5xI X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Well I have an application note for them that puts them to an AMAX spec des= ign of a receiver, so we might could say that, considering also that the DE= NON TU680NAB use the MC13022P inside!=20 But CARVER's on the other hand use the MC13020P first generation decoders, = and... IMHO are on top, above the DENON's !!!=20 Now, anyone can get the MC13022DW from Ebay (I've bought them also from the= re). For the 3.60MHz CSA yes its some hard to find... but I have run tests = previously and found that the 3.58MHz ceramic resonators works in most case= s, (for the MC13028 at least) if you don't add the 47pf capacitor but lower= it to 5 or 10pF!=20 I have custom ordered 3.64MHz CSA's (for 455KHz IF) but they also work wit= h 450KHz IF injected at the IC input! I'm thinking of ordering 1K pcs of 3.= 60MHz also soon, and will probably make them available.=20 For now anyone wants 3.64MHz CSA can contact me. Or he should try the 3.58M= Hz from DTMF generators!!!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Gang I am getting tired and i had for gotten to ask how well dose the= MC13022 performs? Jim Smith > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > >=20 > > Hi Gang Did Motorola start the AMAX campiam with the MC13022? I don't k= now witch one of the chips that thay used in the Delco UX 1 but it sounded = grat!!!! Jim Smith > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dannibou" wrote: > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > There is at least one seller on Ebay who has the mc13022 smt versio= n stereo=20 > > > > decoder chips for sale. The 3.6 MHz resonators are just about impo= ssible=20 > > > > to find > > > > these days but I did read you can substitute a coil/capacitor tuned= circuit=20 > > > > for 3.6MHz=20 > > > > that you can make yourself in place of the ceramic resonator.=20 > > > >=20=20 > > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > >=20 > > > Thanks Todd > > > > > > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 00:56:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33051 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2012 07:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2012 07:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.120) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2012 07:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2012 07:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2012 07:56:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:56:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.74.230.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.74.230.24 From: "pdmtr" Subject: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO recep... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=OncYyi5i3nV6do1MpyVwr_UJ_Twx4mSuXOKyXl4Fweg X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Jim as far as i can say, the way they sounded should be mostly re;ated to t= he IF filters they used, and not so much to the decoder itself! I have seen= Carver & MCS tuners carrying the smae decoder IC (MC13020) and the compari= son makes them lokk like day to night!!!=20 The reason why? Mostly that TX11A has IF bandwidth selection from free wide= 15KHz to the narrowest 7.5KHz! The MCS was even narrower than the narrow s= election of Carvers... making sound terrible compared to it!!!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Gang Did Motorola start the AMAX campiam with the MC13022? I don't kno= w witch one of the chips that thay used in the Delco UX 1 but it sounded gr= at!!!! Jim Smith > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dannibou" wrote: > > > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@ wrote: > > > > > > There is at least one seller on Ebay who has the mc13022 smt version = stereo=20 > > > decoder chips for sale. The 3.6 MHz resonators are just about imposs= ible=20 > > > to find > > > these days but I did read you can substitute a coil/capacitor tuned c= ircuit=20 > > > for 3.6MHz=20 > > > that you can make yourself in place of the ceramic resonator.=20 > > >=20=20 > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > >=20 > > Thanks Todd > > > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Apr 20 18:15:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64688 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2012 01:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2012 01:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2012 01:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3L1FHx3015923 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:15:17 -0400 X-Received: from core-mge001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.65]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E484BE000089 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2c448.7b398b07.3cc36422@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:15:14 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:383601120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d4f920a2445d9 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO recep... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=br74mt0ELHmI8_PqQ-EJo9TLiq4UEgw6cpM4NxUB6jvo6qmDz8DZ X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I understand Delco used a variation of the MC13022 in their UX1 car radios but it was marked with a Delco part number. Delco had many parts custom made for them and some were proprietary parts made only for the Delco brand that you can't find anywhere else. The AMAX campaign started before the MC13022 as some earlier tuners like the Carver TX-11A used the early generation MC13020 chips. The AMAX certification is more related to tuner design itself than the actual Motorola chip used. I think all the Motorola chips would all meet AMAX requirements for distortion and stereo separation as long as the chip was fed with a good IF signal from the tuner. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 4/19/2012 11:14:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Gang Did Motorola start the AMAX campiam with the MC13022? I don't know witch one of the chips that thay used in the Delco UX 1 but it sounded grat!!!! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=bwCKZNDwo0SMF03Mhu0fEpEizdJmX2Tcx8I3-V2r0gswIkffpq918DPzsr760UOXDSSVVDk8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Yes i agree with about the MCS 3050.=C2=A0 The TM 152 sounds a lot bette= r. Jim Smith --- On Fri, 4/20/12, pdmtr wrote: From: pdmtr Subject: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STERE= O recep... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 20, 2012, 12:56 AM =C2=A0=20 Jim as far as i can say, the way they sounded should be mostly re;ated to t= he IF filters they used, and not so much to the decoder itself! I have seen= Carver & MCS tuners carrying the smae decoder IC (MC13020) and the compari= son makes them lokk like day to night!!!=20 The reason why? Mostly that TX11A has IF bandwidth selection from free wide= 15KHz to the narrowest 7.5KHz! The MCS was even narrower than the narrow s= election of Carvers... making sound terrible compared to it!!!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 > Hi Gang Did Motorola start the AMAX campiam with the MC13022? I don't kno= w witch one of the chips that thay used in the Delco UX 1 but it sounded gr= at!!!! Jim Smith > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dannibou" wrote: > > > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@ wrote: > > > > > > There is at least one seller on Ebay who has the mc13022 smt version = stereo=20 > > > decoder chips for sale. The 3.6 MHz resonators are just about impossi= ble=20 > > > to find > > > these days but I did read you can substitute a coil/capacitor tuned c= ircuit=20 > > > for 3.6MHz=20 > > > that you can make yourself in place of the ceramic resonator.=20 > > >=20 > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > >=20 > > Thanks Todd > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 21 09:19:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4318 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2012 16:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2012 16:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.135) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2012 16:19:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2012 16:19:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2012 16:19:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:19:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1334978385.84714.YahooMailClassic@web83805.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} MCS 3050 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=4Js9kHGBkUjBwt6Az7MEylebjBczz2GDpJ_15MdbTbDEHU0VSITaWjY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wouldn't just replacing the I.F. filter in the MCS 3050 make some improveme= nt, or is it more than that? I do know that changing the I.F. filter in my Chrysler 'RAZ' radio from the= stock 6KHz audio to 7.5KHz made not only the high end better, but even gai= ned some bass doing that! John From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Apr 21 09:56:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25232 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2012 16:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2012 16:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2012 16:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3LGuLbi029157 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:56:21 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.1]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 249D4E000082 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344fe.398bafb7.3cc440b4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:56:20 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:401642624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c84f92e6b561b2 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} MCS 3050 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=BrsGM7g1sH74mjWOshuUvzNcpng2kRwfRbgW8OzjhYWBCWe47I70 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I see no reason why installing a wider I.F. filter in the MCS 3050 wouldn't improve the high-end audio response. It would be easiest if one could find a filter with matching pin-out that would drop right on the receiver board. Since all the Motorola chips use a 450KHz IF, most AM Stereo tuners would use one or more of those common small 450 CF ceramic I.F. filters. I had good luck installing a 15KHz BW I.F. ceramic filter in one of my mono AM Delco radios. It made the difference between night and day for audio response. The stock I.F. filter in a Delco mono AM radio is only 6KHz BW. By the way the stock Delco UX1 AM Stereo radios come with 2 x 12KHz filters in series and a 450KHz resonator that is switched in series for the narrow bandwidth position. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 4/21/2012 12:19:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: Wouldn't just replacing the I.F. filter in the MCS 3050 make some improvement, or is it more than that? I do know that changing the I.F. filter in my Chrysler 'RAZ' radio from the stock 6KHz audio to 7.5KHz made not only the high end better, but even gained some bass doing that! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=RTJOLeajq5OiRYX8oErKMsU9DWyCw6h2dNqVZkGNyA6OdW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, have tried to get intuch with Chris cuff via FB, but non response. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Kopia: jim dale smith =20 Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 22 april 2012 5:32 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM= STEREO recep... =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 HI Scott=C2=A0 Two names come to mind Jeff Deck and Chris Cuff.=C2=A0=C2=A0= JIM SMITH --- On Sat, 4/21/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM S= TEREO recep... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 21, 2012, 10:31 AM =C2=A0=20 On 4/19/2012 6:20 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > There is at least one seller on Ebay who has the mc13022 smt version ster= eo > decoder chips for sale. Speaking of the 13022, does anyone here have the ability to make PC=20 boards? I have a standard DIP version of this chip but never used it=20 due to my lack of ability to make circuit boards. I've got a receiver=20 I'd like to modify for AMS. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 22 00:07:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38482 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2012 07:07:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2012 07:07:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.238) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2012 07:07:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2012 07:07:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.75] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2012 07:07:30 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2012 07:07:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 842054.86453.bm@omp1012.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 97148 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Apr 2012 07:07:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EexvHfAVM1lOq_AGIZ4PPa171t4KUpOJ9eNc74g688bEjNY zDIytddFsUH3pStzvWBztp7NLriEIIILSeESZB_tpOAAXslHhI7J6shdCIhw 72I_IgO6mllhSs3h7vsTrPEVErnJ4AmeB5z3J1zFgWMEZR2jsToY3.FyFYo_ 9EJsvpi31J_OXU3YYsoXsFddRqLkt0SPjxzJvwGhiHVEG0sjX6nj4po.gFNz q5kXXCn8DEg2kFK5PNFv25VMbeodAQsL69FcscGjWZTe2n.78w2s8x.7NB9j DFKZsSbihJkLmewsfO.t_cZy4yKlRNQuPQ_dcZHCZ8SBt57aR9aEa.PEXaaP uazeIp2RTknGHehYbgv60tyFq7_HO8AEVmhX7SsPIuysBZ8PMqkbmzR2JT9E X3ckcR9cM3Z5FvnHZb_HvUJ8ZSnTcNCkvUXCK9W3fxfg53WQ4ZXDrwjsguDl 7bo0mWDuJK3BLcqjFlFhW_1d4hRsV5_VTXyfMMEsR_3Bqu4NaDTOcsof8Rcr vAWQSjIZeeLLwmONNrFg.2.d8_P_4_kVAfb5dTZrbXlA8t.4oSJNoFpn3sny F97B1iIwaIoDnUae1ild93L68J8eaNufyrqAJhoMTG6Sk6_ftDCgBnPgqLvQ Mgxylw5WesrhQ7LNsSEvlSoi7gJDzUFYbgNZgYSaEOzpunmPolA6EQCfEjJp 7rmQD9iqAVA_6ErPn3sIuJOq99lLsftmYHZvusIpS5RUfdHfcAiRaFXBrx8n 9_.eIE.wtX1Kn_dOY05oGR2fqIhNDaRa6AugREF4oK_m_f.Q2r5fEo_5R8vQ ws0vYuIie.cqGJoFhVrgFLxNlyQmkYDQK5wiN_fneYwpGrZj_8sjYa1EJ0is sqSMTJcCyDaB6q3WvyoWA.muU0z_TJPO.OYURF_LHte5DmzZT5iFlKjg4qAE 93mNYDbxpmjRN73bJM6OFUOez2QoEKNPQqzVud_leKihj77Emp8_Er8czdKv ANvS5yEsOqw7q5U2XIfEYT2ElgvfICPAuqAAbdpnRF5xNoCAjzoyJKBvvfOx jIzYY7U1oo.pRtO3VEbKUzzBIBQ2nGNezYSpYu7y9CxB42fu2Xknu72uYT_n _8Fze1SScyX3pHhj.SwH9ERwRPl7iNEx1vvPQ9a_FUvRBJy_v.wRAvzRztDO xBU0322QL9G.DYYdOkx3VnuoBE2V.QrTtfms4zHTxJo6oCzgNaExA2fjj4Xq Wgq.A6945AqrCVdwWz73JzpK3thEALNdBEmqFZOELC3Pb4j2bXOWZX0dccYW RaN.ldLf.iJjQDKbNntMRML.C.RnRH.o.wLP.faIAz6kEeGDogbvJTU7DGS0 1o5wThtpo2tMH1xqGWFPjr09GPUiKtklRwoytTYyHKe58mwTf3d0JvHrc3XE V0FKsaVkunFoUpn9mGg4.K1M5q9Owe5ZiSDGlnxLqG4TzXK..VFWDFvVKTN_ eE9Fvq7EHpx7mNy_imj7.UECrfHw0xx.nHaZSEV4FrzXwLZES7..BXEMuKLL 3Bd3VuhH5aGiJ4JrVmIvqCi.H0k6DCXRYCcHXRE_tTL9cMblVwz4f3AMMDC5 kWlDws_Dsi8wNWWqZhvSP8moGb0upJbdi1vpgjJFsvpeOl8Rd4lneGxlFYW6 G9YvNqneuJCyzuU5F4pnJVUcTFrvHgwaLoNsrdZDvqIofGr_aIwmmDfb1thQ ONd_86XHj_nSqJfPJpNiYSt__1fn6sJxW0DEzCgv9XSCOT9yfFkylEiEp1cQ HUPRN.Q8tMoPcD1bUyxMOHha__MLRRcj9bL4vTAkupE3D3uzEI_MhQnnBgKd .p57vQ2xTzQCRh7PgZCnC9JMkwVbUE7LjY0dfJdYxFJRcBEqj X-Received: from [75.30.71.43] by web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:07:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1335078450.95260.YahooMailClassic@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:07:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: <1335074708.24027.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO recep... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=sJJE-i9Xu8NPnTylqie6z_4p0otiT6URmTJ0MIaG6S_n1DvZqBQOy_EVD965heTwiI5i7XHu X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roy=C2=A0 You might=C2=A0try his e mail amstereoguy@hotmail.com..=C2=A0= =C2=A0 You all have a good one. Jim Smith --- On Sat, 4/21/12, Roy Sandgren wrote: From: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM S= TEREO recep... To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Date: Saturday, April 21, 2012, 11:05 PM =C2=A0=20 Hi folks, have tried to get intuch with Chris cuff via FB, but non response. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Kopia: jim dale smith =20 Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 22 april 2012 5:32 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM= STEREO recep... =C2=A0=20 HI Scott=C2=A0 Two names come to mind Jeff Deck and Chris Cuff.=C2=A0=C2=A0= JIM SMITH --- On Sat, 4/21/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM S= TEREO recep... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 21, 2012, 10:31 AM =C2=A0=20 On 4/19/2012 6:20 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > There is at least one seller on Ebay who has the mc13022 smt version ster= eo > decoder chips for sale. Speaking of the 13022, does anyone here have the ability to make PC=20 boards? I have a standard DIP version of this chip but never used it=20 due to my lack of ability to make circuit boards. I've got a receiver=20 I'd like to modify for AMS. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Apr 22 13:52:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68549 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2012 20:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2012 20:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2012 20:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3MKqkk0003137 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:52:46 -0400 X-Received: from core-mge003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5816FE000087 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2a4c7.592af0a1.3cc5c99e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:52:46 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:413596736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b4f946f9e78b4 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO recep... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=YY-hG0yS1CvKiEE4VyL3umYAwjXJQlY-9UCBy0FPe7B42ZwAKMz1 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I have had good luck with the Meduci AM Stereo Stand Alone Decoder Board that I added to an AM Mono car radio. These are available on Ebay for $25 plus shipping. It could end up being a lot of work trying to build your own board from scratch plus gathering all the parts needed. The Meduci board comes assembled and tested so it is ready to go and it has the newest generation Motorola MC13028 chip. Aspisys makes a nice Stereo AM decoder board also for 35 Euros. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 4/21/2012 1:31:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: Speaking of the 13022, does anyone here have the ability to make PC boards? I have a standard DIP version of this chip but never used it due to my lack of ability to make circuit boards. I've got a receiver I'd like to modify for AMS. Scott Todd From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Apr 23 00:05:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58156 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2012 07:05:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2012 07:05:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s16.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.218) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2012 07:05:34 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W44 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:05:00 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 03:05:00 -0400 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2012 07:05:00.0113 (UTC) FILETIME=[65E9B410:01CD211F] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=X_bHaa-3N9xIWIPs0qy4SYHb9ibC5gVQo5ZZiYv4EUI4kD1Y_fUdQjjm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All- I notice several posts about my transmitters- For the past year, I have been taking care of my mother. I have had very little time to respond to many of the requests I get on a daily basis. My mother passed away last week, and now things are beginning to get back to normal. Yes, I do still make the transmitters. The next batch begins shipping on May 15th. Those that follow me on You Tube already know most of my doings, and as well there are instructional videos on assembling the kit version. My YT user name is fortyfiveplayer. Looking forward to chatting with interested folks again- Regards, Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Apr 23 00:35:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54227 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2012 07:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2012 07:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f50.google.com) (209.85.213.50) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2012 07:35:17 -0000 X-Received: by yhjj63 with SMTP id j63so6975291yhj.23 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:35:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.134.211 with SMTP id s59mr13801133yhi.131.1335166516480; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30sm67779378yhe.15.2012.04.23.00.35.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 03:35:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <739DAEA7-63F2-42C4-8457-9918DDB0F434@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=972t7H9nP0dm5USRWqnw3SCDMCjg5KilTl-rrCngrUhHV9sLJ5QURpucYctsTg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 23, 2012, at 3:05 AM, Chris Cuff wrote: > My mother passed away last week, and now things are beginning to get back to normal. I am so sorry to hear of the passing of your Mother, I will keep Her and your Family in my Thoughts and Prayers. > Yes, I do still make the transmitters. The next batch begins shipping on May 15th. Those that follow me on You Tube already know most of my doings, and as well there are instructional videos on assembling the kit version. My YT user name is fortyfiveplayer. Looking forward to chatting with interested folks again- You have been greatly missed on the forums. I want to be the first to say "Welcome back" on the AM Lists! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keith1226@yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 00:46:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28965 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2012 07:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2012 07:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.73) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2012 07:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2012 07:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.196] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2012 07:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2012 07:46:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 117144.82041.bm@omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 39055 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2012 07:46:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P3BGJFMVM1mi3BQTuPK9ukbA7FNVWvfDVJQp0SIIHbXKKOV Jo..5UyaRDOOWCKnQWJsqnyJq8IUr.7Q_02e6RG380.YGdcKmfUt5zPZ0G5E V9WuR81iLcZfU.PFrdDfQVzNlt.A3EVAJIzvsXFX8L5746FLRCv3ouCFKgmS alqn3iKDrCJmRWSkPh6_7Ze.qBB2852gLcNv6TzdXkjMtJm_ydIqaX4tsoiW mPBL8OMJE_aiH303d49WpRv9zi0SghQHoRtg8yOmX24mLViK.RuxhXduIFGe 4Y1B1ju.T8wpOhX46_eTTl4r9JN6mLHD4UDVawfS0eiphN5iZ3tU28PsFCEq b0SGqekzPWWuFHbejQDWZ7a1oFh9w.c4dEQaf_A3V225Mwr6GoyMhYQ7lFt1 TN..YKFnDquUhUeyk6hfGOegXiEhHqbHW1OIzmiQ6Z0lqGi7v_.9lWvPScBu Da57wI6D_0iq6M4JLfDxn26dFsNfx8KI6hsEVoX3Fvl1TKN_ncJ5CweILIio N56gU0.gcNdh9h0TsGNP1KvCbRVzVX23WrV5tY7LDzlTRGPGAVyFdulxRArh g4TfnUhjX2d4XPprkf9viDSDOu2Jhh7CYrTXJ_dTFOReimIKGhun6mH7wNuk i.gtC9IZEeLX6a9PXi1FCxfEjmW7qF0fxzXDnlWR2_J5H1USrQ_QFcROZ.Rk zBDMDtcX0EIwHZmevcg9MjszLZ4XNGuKWEkBzSUkm3eRTC.q12ajA_otnrnX ue9h.VytFapztGVu5uKfwI_XiMEOloLfmclH8ZNvn6huNqJRG7XBXkDR7GY1 wngDZwbR2hchBQOOnfV.x4PSTDTkV4fsWT0d8uUeuk9Psy.38u3OEpn2cbwa 057byY_oFblxqQfxTCPzQmito0bYfIoke9FaVE9mBU_TXp4ndTQLS7KzO X-Received: from [76.22.24.43] by web122603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:46:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1335167188.33480.YahooMailNeo@web122603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:46:28 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith beesley Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=GJyKGhhp7Nm8NTU3u1X7dOOaKLJYY5TAaC9eQZTZ3wdNJLXU X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for your loss, Chris. Thanks for bringing us up to date.=A0 Keith Beesley ________________________________ From: Chris Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:05 AM Subject: {AMSF} Transmitters =20 Hi All- I notice several posts about my transmitters- For the past year, I have bee= n taking care of my mother. I have had very little time to respond to many = of the requests I get on a daily basis. My mother passed away last week, an= d now things are beginning to get back to normal.=20 Yes, I do still make the transmitters. The next batch begins shipping on Ma= y 15th. Those that follow me on You Tube already know most of my doings, an= d as well there are instructional videos on assembling the kit version. My = YT user name is fortyfiveplayer. Looking forward to chatting with intereste= d folks again- Regards,=20 Chris =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 11:16:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98425 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2012 18:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2012 18:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.214.252) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2012 18:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2012 18:16:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2012 18:16:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:16:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=uzdt4VM1Tf2shbx49-JEeRjw1fgXX8uFk_MaEjkmQhsNydj9LRVmdCg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Chris, Welcome back; very sorry to hear about the loss of your mother - you'll be = in our prayers for your family. We do have a new AMS music station in Michigan too! 73 John 'JohnnyElectron' --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote: > Hi All- > I notice several posts about my transmitters- From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Mon Apr 23 11:43:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21868 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2012 18:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2012 18:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2012 18:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A953F37447 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:43:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4F95A2DC.1020602@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:43:40 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Circuit Board Making X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=f2GPlEc1B8tgqpNtSliNMmkX5khrUTFo3JDngTCd6dVwFg X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >Posted by: "Scott Todd" scottn0bst@usfamily.net amstereodude >Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:31 am (PDT) >Speaking of the 13022, does anyone here have the ability to make PC >boards? I have a standard DIP version of this chip but never used it >due to my lack of ability to make circuit boards. I've got a receiver >I'd like to modify for AMS. >Scott Todd If you already have the artwork here is an inexpensive way to get the resist image onto the copper blank using magazine paper, laser printer, and an iron. After the image has been ironed on soak the board in water to dissolve the paper leaving the toner affixed to the board. http://www.riccibitti.com/pcb/pcb.html I have done artwork with Dia using a set of Shapes I created for making some of my boards. Dia is available for Linux, Mac, and Windows. There are other programs like gEDA for Linux, Mac using fink install, and an experimental version for Windows. JSGil From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Apr 23 17:34:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96140 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2012 00:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2012 00:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2012 00:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120423193401102933400011> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:34:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4F95F4F4.6000105@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:33:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:34:01 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4F95A2DC.1020602@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> In-Reply-To: <4F95A2DC.1020602@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120423-1, 04/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Circuit Board Making X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=oxl9vvvgqXloVJEuHDqD47xrxecRi6siMXUqSRj1ShU8p5HXxygl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/23/2012 1:43 PM, AMS Admin wrote: > If you already have the artwork here is an inexpensive way to get the > resist image onto the copper blank using magazine paper, laser printer, > and an iron. After the image has been ironed on soak the board in water > to dissolve the paper leaving the toner affixed to the board. > > http://www.riccibitti.com/pcb/pcb.html > > I have done artwork with Dia using a set of > Shapes I created for making > some of my boards. No artwork, and even when I did my boards didn't seem to turn out right. I'll check out that program you recommend. I had a program on my old Win-98 computer that was clunky and very difficult to use so I finally gave up on it. I'm just going to copy the circuit from the data sheet. I do have a cap and coil to take the place of those unobtanium resonators. Scott From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Mon Apr 23 21:14:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71458 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2012 04:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2012 04:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2012 04:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F5E37447 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:14:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4F9628B0.1040807@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:14:40 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: {AMSF} Circuit Board Making X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=Vu6HZek05FY5LexsFeq4OYfUVyH2ivIrlvbO3wiYMogA5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >No artwork, and even when I did my boards didn't seem to turn out right. >I'll check out that program you recommend. I had a program on my old >Win-98 computer that was clunky and very difficult to use so I finally >gave up on it. I'm just going to copy the circuit from the data sheet. >I do have a cap and coil to take the place of those unobtanium resonators. >Scott I have tried the xerox/laser printer method in the past on plastic sheets that were sold for this purpose and did not have much luck either as some of the toner would stay on the plastic as it was peeled away but using glossy magazine paper and dissolving it away with water sounds like it would place enough toner on the board for a good resist. For the few boards I have made I have had a transparency made from the artwork at a print shop and used the photo etch method. Before this it was an etch resist marker. The benefit of being able to skip the photo method and have the pattern go directly from paper to board sounds appealing. I have used Dia mostly and it is only a diagram editor to generate artwork but it is not a circuit board specific program. I then export the artwork as encapsulated postscript (a vector file) and rasterize it to the correct dpi in GIMP. I guess PhotoShop could be used instead but GIMP is free for Linux, Mac, and Windows. I would not say this would be the most straightforward way but it allowed me to create the artwork I desired, reminiscent of 70's style boards in stereo equipment. As for gEDA this is an electronic circuit board cad program and I have seen a finished product from it but I have not used it myself. It does look like it might be a better solution if you are going to send the artwork to a board maker as it will also do multilayer, solder mask, and the text to be printed on the board. I may try it on the next board I make. 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Thats a sad day for sure.= =C2=A0 I went through that back in Feb 12th 2000. Hang in there it herts a = little less over time. Jim Smith --- On Mon, 4/23/12, Chris Cuff wrote: From: Chris Cuff Subject: {AMSF} Transmitters To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 23, 2012, 12:05 AM =C2=A0=20 Hi All- I notice several posts about my transmitters- For the past year, I have bee= n taking care of my mother. I have had very little time to respond to many = of the requests I get on a daily basis. My mother passed away last week, an= d now things are beginning to get back to normal.=20 Yes, I do still make the transmitters. The next batch begins shipping on Ma= y 15th. Those that follow me on You Tube already know most of my doings, an= d as well there are instructional videos on assembling the kit version. My = YT user name is fortyfiveplayer. Looking forward to chatting with intereste= d folks again- Regards,=20 Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 11:25:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15312 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2012 18:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2012 18:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.144) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2012 18:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2012 18:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2012 18:25:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:25:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F9628B0.1040807@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Circuit Board Making X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=GkVisiEZ9m1FttmZSLjBiuzlhtpjSn629zfaHKAfS-_NuY3o-yOVPYg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A while back, there was an add in the back of one of the trade magazines wh= ere they would make 3 "prototype run" PC boards (a given size) for you for = $55 - and they gave you some primative software - which did work rather we= ll for the dinky boards that I was making - actually I duplicated the same = board twice, so I actually got 6 boards out of the deal; software did take = me literally a whole day by the time I speced hole sizes, but it did the tr= ick. Fast turnaround too. I was even able to give thru hole drill sizes etc...but I don't recall the = company name though anymore. John From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Wed Apr 25 08:34:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19609 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2012 15:34:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2012 15:34:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2012 15:34:18 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6AD37447 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:34:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4F981979.6000402@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:34:17 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: {AMSF} Circuit Board Making X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=6wn8a5Lq7swBVcoRpZqjsxQ5-kP3ps6rDAOBxGChTvCL9w X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >A while back, there was an add in the back of one of the trade magazines >where they would make 3 "prototype run" PC boards (a given size) for you >for $55 - and they gave you some primative software - which did work >rather well for the dinky boards that I was making - actually I duplicated the >same board twice, so I actually got 6 boards out of the deal; software did take >me literally a whole day by the time I speced hole sizes, but it did the trick. >Fast turnaround too. I was even able to give thru hole drill sizes etc...but I >don't recall the company name though anymore. >John I have only done these one off boards for proof of concept but never really did any production runs. Hole drilling was the other big issue. In the past I have used a dremel tool in a drill press but bits are hard to find and dull quickly on fiberglass boards. Phenolic boards are easier on the bits but I don't see those much except in perfboards. JSGil From boogie350@yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 00:46:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11059 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2012 07:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2012 07:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (98.139.52.205) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2012 07:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.196] by nm8.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2012 07:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.52.172] by tm9.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2012 07:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2012 07:46:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 647805.23402.bm@omp1055.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 307 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2012 07:46:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i1u0qzgVM1lpwEk7VOaLmW8AS3hmnsUA6sGBz0nMnipDf6_ vrOYZHJU4Lna90FzVTpeFhHsnVGmxhrPoGQQ2ZQBLR1zdwJ4OOrKFO2nSFgo 4Y6o6rz8Gnn0WjOES8LAuymL81zSqk1WZHUGbexfViJth0U1iSYqPyh4ZmbT OCDFgzlavHdo4HwdPOogwhf4OxJYiSFGNZtf2tJI.YLRtZqr_yOjfJaUQCLP kxOsLW8Ln66.iIiranbXaC_yiffB2p5B.ZEVtH9bYndDUhiw8EyDgQuXSv4R eFvlEKOam.QB57GTDjg0QofY2ti302wEajh6FhY5JlxXlY3s4pSgoUUWq0z5 VC7ukdnWiLMlLHotMR.TqMU1yVQJzRZwr6TjBzckxgLtWQTuYqS0jLJhiwqU Uvy9CtrDdEy8Z6vVFOZ3x_P6d2lL.3QvS5PO4GyktOGerHlU6LngsdtdmT_0 c0_1kuhlH21f_Tw-- X-Received: from [24.11.71.48] by web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:46:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1335426388.81453.YahooMailNeo@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:46:28 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.52.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Reply-To: Boogie350 Subject: Re: Circuit Board Making X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=K9D3MHRD8_qbxjLGz9Or2SAPpyjke4JFGGmgPRO6e1SlRjkC X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dia... heh... I made a few circuit boards last year with a sharpie and a bo= ttle of copper etchant I've had for like 30 years. It was a B+ supply board= for an AM tube transmitter I homebrewed. Still worked well after all that = time.=20 =A0 Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter h= ogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good= thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let = me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jesusverde@cantv.net Sun Apr 29 08:06:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jesusverde@cantv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 663 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2012 15:06:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2012 15:06:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.158) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2012 15:06:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2012 15:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2012 15:06:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:06:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <760F8192-4EA2-46F6-BFF3-AEB790239A2D@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 186.165.26.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 186.165.26.35 From: "jvinccler@ymail.com" Subject: C-Quam on Sangean HDT-1X X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=527285919; y=3ay3dbCzbHIWR9q8wAfwFEiROO8GxHEbo2JocgHB6zzs1Fh-rDPJrXARr9VBmg X-Yahoo-Profile: jvinccler@ymail.com Hi there ! Please, someone owning a Sangean HDT-1X radio and receiving some am stereo = radio station could post a video at you tube dot com ? There we can found a lot of videos about HD radio with the HDT-1X, but noth= ing about C-Quam am stereo ! Thank you in advance. Best regards, JV --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Feb 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, toddroberts2001@... wrote: >=20 > > Now if I only had the $1995.00 they are asking for the tuner!=20 >=20 > That is the only reason I don't have one! >=20 > I am Happy with my Sangean HDT-1X for in the house and my Delco UX-1 in t= he Ham Shack. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed May 02 23:26:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78633 invoked from network); 3 May 2012 06:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2012 06:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2012 06:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 06:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 06:26:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 06:26:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.32.75.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.32.75.193 From: "jim smith" Subject: Dose any one want to make some money? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=jG84a_TuZmU4OyekU2S1VcIETt7ODg5XtRDIVJ2dY1hDRtHCLwUt_oIzcvtKY02X9gyPLXuK X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi All I still have a sound board that i need serviced. It was made by Rad= io Shack and it did sound great. I had connected a line level tape player t= o the phono input and it has sounded bad ever sense. Can some one here help= me please? Thank You Jim Smith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 03 15:26:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98445 invoked from network); 3 May 2012 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2012 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.135) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2012 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 22:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 22:26:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 22:26:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Jim Smiths's Sound Board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=3PCIE0KjC917Do4IUorww4RzGrM0bGLB9ekKyDINWg9Hpr4ZJ18Mo3Y X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jim, are you trying to record from the tape player to the computer? If not,= you are better off with just a separate audio amplifier. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > I still have a sound board that i need serviced ... I had connected a lin= e level tape player to the phono input and it has sounded bad... 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But haveing the tape player = connected to the input of the phono=C2=A0 on the sound board recked the sou= nd board.=C2=A0 Thats why i was asking for help to have it repaired. Thanks= Jim Smith --- On Thu, 5/3/12, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Jim Smiths's Sound Board To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 3, 2012, 3:26 PM =C2=A0=20 Jim, are you trying to record from the tape player to the computer? If not,= you are better off with just a separate audio amplifier. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > I still have a sound board that i need serviced ... I had connected a lin= e level tape player to the phono input and it has sounded bad... Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu May 03 22:43:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15709 invoked from network); 4 May 2012 05:43:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2012 05:43:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2012 05:43:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 05:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 05:43:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 05:43:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.48.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.250 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Dose any one want to make some money? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=QS24dPBb56WK2ijDvQ042VPhZ72Xs0Y3oWHGq31TrDvrj2Xjlw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I'm not sure if I well understood your problem. I think you got a distorted signal while you connected the tape player audi= o output to the phono input of your audio board, Right? Well, if that is the case, the solution is: 1) Try to connect the TAPE player audio output to the LINE or AUX audio inp= ut of your audio board (if there is some). 2) Put a 500 Kilo-Ohms resistor IN-SERIE with the tape player output signal= and your audio board phono input connector. It is intended to lower the si= gnal level to "accomodate" it to the phono level. Normally, the TAPE audio level is around 10-20 times the PHONO audio level,= so we just get a distorted signal (too much tape audio level to the phono = audio level input). I hope this helps you. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with a lot fo love and hope!!! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi All I still have a sound board that i need serviced. It was made by R= adio Shack and it did sound great. I had connected a line level tape player= to the phono input and it has sounded bad ever sense. Can some one here he= lp me please? Thank You Jim Smith > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri May 04 21:42:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85161 invoked from network); 5 May 2012 04:42:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2012 04:42:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2012 04:42:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 04:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.85] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 04:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 04:42:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 427510.17991.bm@omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75172 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2012 04:42:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _9p9BDIVM1njpP.v2jla7OeR3FQtgcbJot3e_7LVEY9bLjr CAW4Aa4Ri9TFePqXRC345eXhtaAs5V_K5_RY_wUw0csO_D3OLELmbdNTTYm6 m9waBackaIx2DNwHzQKrHLlfYNgskDr1_4wWoVCm94FhhjBhOqxK4u8q3ynU 6XuYP7jPism28eX9NdL9R_N260NuzNq7AIe6LdC2MjEMyeAQomffawMcebWT uD0khbqcG8DqgaV.UpC03oEuXEdjx4i4vmnvQ7jAgWOLQX73yWasjCU6R25w 9tad8tWxR8XmXIT5Mj1NKAnYo9uBGHkdVMBbT9.nF4KA_5nH1eXATLid5TZk .62fj8y8_3IgwZ_ZNmf.g5opvd49sJYM4BRJbBScqaXpnusfJunN7jdNlstU 1FWosGL7TXzL5IAaap8LdoHTC1iGne7H.0Jcsn6_B0KQW3HBBYyBlxZCv4ze xow_5aYzRxXFi.w6jQuDX_jdB0veN3wD1le.VItjR5abUhAH1.ELiVnDsINF 9iBP9G2359SDxpfkfIxQWxCd.UiZMWkCz6AmwoWWJjdFL5lWXaV36lFASbj8 1HFxgII8MGjryZWcJs4FIHNQUydAe9fNBiBl9sJgrftxIRUvkHylG2VzCHCD a0_l2o3G.t2XmoeuR8q1.dyOh8asLvImQ4jWnJWqFmT.IEv353OUHcJkc4Ft u4fgkKW5rwrh6PXU95m6AgjFt.y7OkUJ7XXok2QTfjM3PQI0Dnnsk3Yibrzu WU7cubLYffrmWalRNxxDzMsVFTK1trbQa148XnwNCEhW9kx8xhudBgfefTwN XEBRjPQ7SFdc9hetlpEA.7FKeGgAEzzzz_O8hf4QAwxGqtIxsy4vq8GDP5DP AsD5w1S5TVhBCZDjDEtdGBnY_8E1OcotxXuoKXKrPBJ1riEy1h95eZqxRiJG reRnyWWo4glaoZmReZpUtEkJKD7J2eDLK2XAYrwYV4gDMcayueYcznce4tDR chFLRWoQXLQfuznTXl.KtFOeArNnTXXq7TWaveb0AxeESyv3nmel7v5QNEd7 H6CAAqFWnxubUvHrATqYZkn80ZJDQSZEvLl.2OB5kCEslYGYr2M20Kc4PrTk vfeTB99zh8BgYeTBbjoaNFqAAImKWfyWah8YNCcQC_uAcdM9mwR35_sBJ_nA RCAuiZe26uJ.ZiR8xbvSe58jJnsm6XzNbfoaRxvGMaw1WTmTgnjlaJEWxxPu Vpokumij8auYwas.tW1UC8rev88WPBFg4ypLAKTXhNWSXlSBWxwaEXxY0Cpq xXUrp3n5OoCjx3.8r9vPui8MrxAy0szyQEQZwbTaB.bgQkQjT4dnRCaxsvUt IJgRmoO6MHICr4RTGl_EH.ApQGs4LLeUD9p4FFetnywQ6TsYAY7sWE7PDMQ4 kRDybbBFh3rlQ2keprti.Xl6wrVRyara0__FaT0YVrIjxpPnnTIpkt587iIZ Z14lIlGoOF54sJ6DFVMwGgjhP0dUjoB7m0yOodzYLQWWMC1zvUgc6kPBr0mR oUCSF4FT0L.qI7ZJTNegJq5JXEwbs.YJFQvAos1kndbiEx.2WMp6oYwPVhG2 4aUzngV4cXSZcV.Kv7Yf2u.35ekhLdKrG6IdZ_q1lLK2M2W.Oet6nfMTiuU9 ZUy1UvzKX1caXjlcZbexTFUNjfOPNO0CeYJO7KuJchAtq_LVkHbEY5MZHXnD fJJ6UjWU.zXW1GPf1y7P5g8Hd6g1b0nwRL2QdCfcgTk7Wem2Zaa_TMHIp8kg y0E33IgJZ7QFplZcFjemoiMJRZIiewG4UsA3GAJcoKU95PKgn4K_RpJfSjs2 dDafrMCrLNxyXqkPMYcJV6slfH_8MJER3FPRg9.yFjv33qm4yeDlTHTPlmrB W2h1K5bFVez6xlGnABADBlyO3FI8E31l4Yx_4 X-Received: from [71.155.149.166] by web83809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 May 2012 21:42:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336192923.74990.YahooMailClassic@web83809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 21:42:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dose any one want to make some money? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=0mh_gu0fdmIQhLymNFXvL_0zPN_XKaz9nmiRgX9d8DHq0qhT09CRv2FwRQSycg2_ZiUdVQ_f X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI Jaun No matter what input i use now the output still sound bad. It needs= repair and i can't do it. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 5/3/12, Jota wrote: From: Jota Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dose any one want to make some money? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 3, 2012, 10:43 PM =C2=A0=20 Hi!!! I'm not sure if I well understood your problem. I think you got a distorted signal while you connected the tape player audi= o output to the phono input of your audio board, Right? Well, if that is the case, the solution is: 1) Try to connect the TAPE player audio output to the LINE or AUX audio inp= ut of your audio board (if there is some). 2) Put a 500 Kilo-Ohms resistor IN-SERIE with the tape player output signal= and your audio board phono input connector. It is intended to lower the si= gnal level to "accomodate" it to the phono level. Normally, the TAPE audio level is around 10-20 times the PHONO audio level,= so we just get a distorted signal (too much tape audio level to the phono = audio level input). I hope this helps you. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, CHile, South America, with a lot fo love and hope!!! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi All I still have a sound board that i need serviced. It was made by Ra= dio Shack and it did sound great. I had connected a line level tape player = to the phono input and it has sounded bad ever sense. Can some one here hel= p me please? 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Sat, 05 May 2012 14:39:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336253970.3831.YahooMailClassic@web83808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 14:39:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: <1336234473.57453.YahooMailClassic@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] KQWB 1660 now "True Oldies" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=EPXqgXPU6vXzLKZbjcee2sSS9C1Eii3OEo5OqlN5JtO_WuiYi637052eMWBQiapNi-hOAsUZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang=C2=A0=C2=A0 COOL!!!! More the better. NO takers on repairing my sou= nd board? Jim Smith --- On Sat, 5/5/12, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] KQWB 1660 now "True Oldies" To: "AMSF" Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 9:14 AM =C2=A0=20 From another list: =C2=A0 A note to let you know that KQWB 1660 West Fargo, ND has flipped from=20 Sports to Cumulus' "True Oldies Channel"...and in AM Stereo. =C2=A0 73 and Good=20 DX from Eric Bueneman Amateur Radio Station N=C3=98UIH Registered Monitor=20 KDX=C3=98STL, KMO=C3=98CN Hazelwood, MO-Grid Square=20 EM48ts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat May 05 14:58:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73091 invoked from network); 5 May 2012 21:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2012 21:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s3.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.142) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2012 21:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-P3-EAS132 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 5 May 2012 14:58:14 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:58:11 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2012 21:58:14.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BB67EA0:01CD2B0A] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] KQWB 1660 now "True Oldies" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=pasOSnqsX-6TcLx4rU0w9ceJyARvcCsyfddd5odF6GoW X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd wouldnt be worth it. new ones cost 100 us would cost 40 for shipping both w= ays ups ground -----Original Message----- From: jim smith Sent: 5 May 2012 21:39:37 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] KQWB 1660 now "True Oldies" Hi Gang COOL!!!! More the better. NO takers on repairing my sound board? = Jim Smith --- On Sat, 5/5/12, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] KQWB 1660 now "True Oldies" To: "AMSF" Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 9:14 AM From another list: A note to let you know that KQWB 1660 West Fargo, ND has flipped from Sports to Cumulus' "True Oldies Channel"...and in AM Stereo. 73 and Good DX from Eric Bueneman Amateur Radio Station N=C3=98UIH Registered Monitor KDX=C3=98STL, KMO=C3=98CN Hazelwood, MO-Grid Square EM48ts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Walker, Jr." Subject: Chris Cuff Transmitter For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=zdmjF0v7Y-B0PQ-Cck0M8l4WDrKboWl6F-xLWQeNvNHBrY_Aq4jMTU2M X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While cleaning my apartment, I uncovered a Chris Cuff transmitter I bought but NEVER used. it has a Crystal in it for 1250Khz and is a 100mw version. I don't know where the power supply is, so that's not included. $100 plus $20 shipping. Accepted forms of payment are Cash, Check or Money order by mail. Email me privately, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Nothing is wrong with it, I just never used it and don't need or want it now. 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Thats what i payed for it ten years ago.=C2=A0 I don't= =C2=A0have another $100 to spend=C2=A0on anther one. Not=C2=A0all in one pa= yment=C2=A0any way. Jim Smith --- On Sat, 5/5/12, Robert Chrysafis wrote: From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] KQWB 1660 now "True Oldies" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 2:58 PM =C2=A0=20 wouldnt be worth it. new ones cost 100 us would cost 40 for shipping both w= ays ups ground -----Original Message----- From: jim smith Sent: 5 May 2012 21:39:37 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] KQWB 1660 now "True Oldies" Hi Gang COOL!!!! More the better. NO takers on repairing my sound board? Ji= m Smith --- On Sat, 5/5/12, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] KQWB 1660 now "True Oldies" To: "AMSF" Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 9:14 AM From another list: A note to let you know that KQWB 1660 West Fargo, ND has flipped from Sports to Cumulus' "True Oldies Channel"...and in AM Stereo. 73 and Good DX from Eric Bueneman Amateur Radio Station N=C3=98UIH Registered Monitor KDX=C3=98STL, KMO=C3=98CN Hazelwood, MO-Grid Square EM48ts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat May 05 23:14:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77257 invoked from network); 6 May 2012 06:14:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2012 06:14:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.109) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2012 06:14:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 06:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 06:14:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 06:14:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1336192923.74990.YahooMailClassic@web83809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.57.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.243 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dose any one want to make some money? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XkUo-VjDoVdq6dR8sjw0Q7GfFTHouNyshi-tURi9UZLAGB8FbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Mmmm I would start to test the power supply stage (capacitors, resistors, etc.).= Then, the audio board itself. Typically, there is some capacitor, or resistor, or diode, or transistor ou= t of value (or dead). If the board has ICs, sorry, I don't have any idea where you could find it. BTW: Does somebody knows about to add a C-Quam decoding board to my old ful= l tubes Heathkit AJ-30? Can I? How? ??? Any idea will be welcome. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jim smith wrote: > >=20 > HI Jaun No matter what input i use now the output still sound bad. It nee= ds repair and i can't do it. Jim Smith > --- On Thu, 5/3/12, Jota wrote: >=20 >=20 > From: Jota > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dose any one want to make some money? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 3, 2012, 10:43 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi!!! >=20 > I'm not sure if I well understood your problem. >=20 > I think you got a distorted signal while you connected the tape player au= dio output to the phono input of your audio board, Right? >=20 > Well, if that is the case, the solution is: >=20 > 1) Try to connect the TAPE player audio output to the LINE or AUX audio i= nput of your audio board (if there is some). >=20 > 2) Put a 500 Kilo-Ohms resistor IN-SERIE with the tape player output sign= al and your audio board phono input connector. It is intended to lower the = signal level to "accomodate" it to the phono level. >=20 > Normally, the TAPE audio level is around 10-20 times the PHONO audio leve= l, so we just get a distorted signal (too much tape audio level to the phon= o audio level input). >=20 > I hope this helps you. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=C3=B3, CHile, South America, with a lot fo love and hope!!! >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi All I still have a sound board that i need serviced. It was made by = Radio Shack and it did sound great. I had connected a line level tape playe= r to the phono input and it has sounded bad ever sense. Can some one here h= elp me please? Thank You Jim Smith > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun May 06 00:14:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89507 invoked from network); 6 May 2012 07:14:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2012 07:14:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.252) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2012 07:14:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 07:14:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 07:14:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 07:14:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.31.53.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.53.73 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dose any one want to make some money? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=CG9qmn6EHR8y7wJjPqXFBi8dbb5LJDDHBmgjvp0RbP0UlFPsRXBBgLnPFoqC_mcpcjNA5UZR X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Jaun One It being ten years old its a good chance it has IC's. Testing = it is a good idea but i am the rong guy to do the testing. I love electroni= cs but i don't have the years of repairing stuff like that. I wish i did. T= hats why i am asking for help with it. I am hopeing to get it fixed cheaper= than getig a new one. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Mmmm >=20 > I would start to test the power supply stage (capacitors, resistors, etc.= ). Then, the audio board itself. >=20 > Typically, there is some capacitor, or resistor, or diode, or transistor = out of value (or dead). >=20 > If the board has ICs, sorry, I don't have any idea where you could find i= t. >=20 > BTW: Does somebody knows about to add a C-Quam decoding board to my old f= ull tubes Heathkit AJ-30? Can I? How? ??? Any idea will be welcome. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jim smith wrote: > > > >=20 > > HI Jaun No matter what input i use now the output still sound bad. It n= eeds repair and i can't do it. Jim Smith > > --- On Thu, 5/3/12, Jota wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > From: Jota > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dose any one want to make some money? > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 3, 2012, 10:43 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =C2=A0=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi!!! > >=20 > > I'm not sure if I well understood your problem. > >=20 > > I think you got a distorted signal while you connected the tape player = audio output to the phono input of your audio board, Right? > >=20 > > Well, if that is the case, the solution is: > >=20 > > 1) Try to connect the TAPE player audio output to the LINE or AUX audio= input of your audio board (if there is some). > >=20 > > 2) Put a 500 Kilo-Ohms resistor IN-SERIE with the tape player output si= gnal and your audio board phono input connector. It is intended to lower th= e signal level to "accomodate" it to the phono level. > >=20 > > Normally, the TAPE audio level is around 10-20 times the PHONO audio le= vel, so we just get a distorted signal (too much tape audio level to the ph= ono audio level input). > >=20 > > I hope this helps you. > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > > Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra > > From Curic=C3=B3, CHile, South America, with a lot fo love and hope!!! > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrot= e: > > > > > > Hi All I still have a sound board that i need serviced. It was made b= y Radio Shack and it did sound great. I had connected a line level tape pla= yer to the phono input and it has sounded bad ever sense. Can some one here= help me please? Thank You Jim Smith > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun May 06 03:06:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84480 invoked from network); 6 May 2012 10:06:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2012 10:06:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f176.google.com) (209.85.160.176) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2012 10:06:30 -0000 X-Received: by ghbz10 with SMTP id z10so2978553ghb.21 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 03:06:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.153.104 with SMTP id e68mr14990711yhk.36.1336298789180; Sun, 06 May 2012 03:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i2sm6231293anl.9.2012.05.06.03.06.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 May 2012 03:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 06:06:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <7F727E62-18AC-4CB2-9B16-10781D54B9F2@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dose any one want to make some money? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=lHjx3VF6xGRaesr_EKd6NtPwkmLZx11xR5zvnBWjWuXXoYF5SufRhltxTjv-BA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 6, 2012, at 3:14 AM, jim smith wrote: > I am hopeing to get it fixed cheaper than getig a new one. The problem with Radio Shack Mixers is they buy 'em from the Lowest Bidder for that Production Run ONLY, then put out for bids again when they sell out. This means not only do they end up with mostly China Junk, but many times two Mixers may even look the same, but have very different parts inside the Unit. Sometimes you can get Lucky and fix them with Generic Service parts from NTE and others, but many times the parts are just unobatium, and can't be had at any price. I can't promise you it can be fixed, but I am pretty good at bringing dead and worn-out Mixing Boards back to life. Normally, I am up to my back in projects for the Radio Stations I am the Chief Engineer of, but if you want me to take a look at it between Broadcast Projects, I will. You can get a NEW Pro-Grade name brand mixer for less then a Hundred Bucks that will not have this problem and can be serviced if needed, Take a look here: http://www.bswusa.com/Compact-Field-Mixers-ART-MACROMIX-P515.aspx If you do buy a new mixer, I would stay away from the Berringer Brand. Their Power Supplies have a nasty habit of catching fire, and I don't see how on earth they got a Safety Rating Sticker. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun May 06 03:11:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13735 invoked from network); 6 May 2012 10:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2012 10:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f179.google.com) (209.85.213.179) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2012 10:11:14 -0000 X-Received: by yenl1 with SMTP id l1so3815420yen.38 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 03:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.77.201 with SMTP id d49mr14860380yhe.85.1336299074050; Sun, 06 May 2012 03:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v7sm66646952yhl.1.2012.05.06.03.11.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 May 2012 03:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 06:11:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <4D772D47-B16B-4439-A27C-74C029465A54@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dose any one want to make some money? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=FDPUTYwgECDO-qvTb1_vY98Q8rKKt8EU1Wm1IcdKVV8mG2dG1zsMG7dX226TMg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 6, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Jota wrote: > BTW: Does somebody knows about to add a C-Quam decoding board to my old full tubes Heathkit AJ-30? Can I? How? ??? Any idea will be welcome. Meduci makes a board that will do that for $25 Bucks US. http://meduci.com/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 06 15:32:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62832 invoked from network); 6 May 2012 22:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2012 22:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.239) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2012 22:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.83] by ng19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 22:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 22:32:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 22:32:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.48.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.77 From: "Jota" Subject: Notebook audio issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Da11d1bPD7DRg_el3b25rjZokHfFHRNBItgvieztHMyp12LoyA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I know it isn't an AM Stereo issue, but... My son has a notebook, a Samsung R430, which has the typical integrated aud= io board Realteak HD Audio card. It uses Windows 7 Pro. THE PROBLEM IS... the system doesn=B4t allow to record audio from other sou= rce but the integrated microphone. You can not record audio from the intern= al MIDI synthetizer, or the CD player, or the Video player, or the Audio pl= ayer and it doesn't have some EXTERNAL LINE INPUT connector. So... you cann= ot to record audio from other source but... the mike. Does somebody knows if there is a way to change/fix it? How? ??? Any idea will be welcome. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun May 06 15:47:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92898 invoked from network); 6 May 2012 22:47:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2012 22:47:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f174.google.com) (209.85.160.174) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2012 22:47:27 -0000 X-Received: by ghrr11 with SMTP id r11so4807086ghr.5 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 15:47:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.155.226 with SMTP id j62mr17112590yhk.30.1336344447182; Sun, 06 May 2012 15:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n14sm24641627anl.11.2012.05.06.15.47.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 May 2012 15:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:47:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <9F242230-E3F1-44A0-9A09-A6AC817A74C4@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Notebook audio issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=DXiYN_o6diEQSM9KPhEf2u1jvSQtoNVCE7l7hnBlU9b0gVhcQ-NBefVqdYguTA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 6, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Jota wrote: > Does somebody knows if there is a way to change/fix it? How? ??? The Shure X2U XLR to USB Adapter is what you need. I had to get one to record on my HP G60 With Windows Vista Ultimate. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun May 06 19:44:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30703 invoked from network); 7 May 2012 02:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2012 02:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.94) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2012 02:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 02:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 02:44:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 02:44:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7F727E62-18AC-4CB2-9B16-10781D54B9F2@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Directed Electronics HD = CQuam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=YTPhaYUToPj-O2Giy3UCq_3S6rFu3dC_-DId5ugh-LNLLsLkjLCAj9s X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Does anybody have a Directed Electronics HD radio with a nearby CQuam stati= on? There is a person claiming that the Directed Electronics decodes CQuam = AM Stereo too, but I have not found that to be the case with a very distant= CFCO, so I'm wondering if it only works with locals, or not at all? Anybody? John From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon May 07 00:41:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90423 invoked from network); 7 May 2012 07:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2012 07:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.161) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2012 07:41:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 07:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 07:40:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 07:40:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7F727E62-18AC-4CB2-9B16-10781D54B9F2@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 68.72.219.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.219.98 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Dose any one want to make some money? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=a353DOAuFWvrwHGHAwTKB49FbUE7jRkBdX5QapkmCFRbWyV9Ge5cNNusnLzXUzAEuszTRnZb X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Kevin That sounds good to me contact me off list at jimsmith95650@sbcgl= obal.net. Jim Smioth --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On May 6, 2012, at 3:14 AM, jim smith wrote: >=20 > > I am hopeing to get it fixed cheaper than getig a new one. >=20 > The problem with Radio Shack Mixers is they buy 'em from the Lowest Bidde= r for that Production Run ONLY, then put out for bids again when they sell = out. This means not only do they end up with mostly China Junk, but many ti= mes two Mixers may even look the same, but have very different parts inside= the Unit. Sometimes you can get Lucky and fix them with Generic Service pa= rts from NTE and others, but many times the parts are just unobatium, and c= an't be had at any price. >=20 > I can't promise you it can be fixed, but I am pretty good at bringing dea= d and worn-out Mixing Boards back to life. Normally, I am up to my back in = projects for the Radio Stations I am the Chief Engineer of, but if you wan= t me to take a look at it between Broadcast Projects, I will.=20 >=20 > You can get a NEW Pro-Grade name brand mixer for less then a Hundred Buck= s that will not have this problem and can be serviced if needed, >=20 > Take a look here: >=20 > http://www.bswusa.com/Compact-Field-Mixers-ART-MACROMIX-P515.aspx >=20 > If you do buy a new mixer, I would stay away from the Berringer Brand. Th= eir Power Supplies have a nasty habit of catching fire, and I don't see how= on earth they got a Safety Rating Sticker. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon May 07 07:07:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13114 invoked from network); 7 May 2012 14:07:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2012 14:07:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vb0-f44.google.com) (209.85.212.44) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2012 14:07:02 -0000 X-Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so114995vbb.31 for ; Mon, 07 May 2012 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.152.205 with SMTP id h13mr4413973vcw.12.1336399621239; Mon, 07 May 2012 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.7.2 with HTTP; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.7.2 with HTTP; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: Chris Cuff Transmitter For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=h4YLvOL8qOlSbqXP2KhWZ65INorNHoIHNNFDnMD7UwlADQxvZvh1FKeU X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its still available.... On May 5, 2012 9:13 PM, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > While cleaning my apartment, I uncovered a Chris Cuff transmitter I bought > but NEVER used. it has a Crystal in it for 1250Khz and is a 100mw version. > I don't know where the power supply is, so that's not included. > > $100 plus $20 shipping. Accepted forms of payment are Cash, Check or Money > order by mail. > > Email me privately, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com > > Nothing is wrong with it, I just never used it and don't need or want it > now. > > Paul > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon May 07 16:26:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76318 invoked from network); 7 May 2012 23:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2012 23:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-00.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.150) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2012 23:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120507182558101559100010> for ; Mon, 07 May 2012 18:25:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4FA85A05.3090000@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 18:25:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 18:25:58 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4D772D47-B16B-4439-A27C-74C029465A54@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D772D47-B16B-4439-A27C-74C029465A54@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120507-1, 05/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dose any one want to make some money? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=O-eocRjLIoLoQbe5hJoD6x_PvVN2BUFgPrmV5vihA_otaYTaZj4X X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/6/2012 5:11 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On May 6, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Jota wrote: > > > BTW: Does somebody knows about to add a C-Quam decoding board to my > old full tubes Heathkit AJ-30? Can I? How? ??? Any idea will be welcome. > > Meduci makes a board that will do that for $25 Bucks US. > > http://meduci.com/ > Yep- just hook it across the last IF transformer, just before the detector diode(s). If there's too much signal, just pad it down with some resistors. The stereo audio comes off the Meduci board. You might have to readjust the IF on the Heathkit to 450kHz, but try the board without doing that first. It may work OK as is. Usually moving the IF 5kHz won't affect the dial tracking too much, though it may do a little. Scott Todd From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed May 09 02:28:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24860 invoked from network); 9 May 2012 09:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2012 09:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.187) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2012 09:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2012 09:28:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2012 09:28:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 09:28:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.20.188.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.188.174 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Directed Electronics HD = CQuam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=6deFVfBYkET_GSG4mhzEevzfKL9N1XVQtFPlFzOseQc9cavJzsWR3On18nKg_AnlIbKEsWPx X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi I herd that you need a very strong local AM STEREO station. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Does anybody have a Directed Electronics HD radio with a nearby CQuam sta= tion? There is a person claiming that the Directed Electronics decodes CQua= m AM Stereo too, but I have not found that to be the case with a very dista= nt CFCO, so I'm wondering if it only works with locals, or not at all? > Anybody? > John > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed May 09 13:20:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51777 invoked from network); 9 May 2012 20:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2012 20:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2012 20:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q49KKe5C031672 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 16:20:40 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.5]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E7733E000088 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 16:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3b5fb.6eaea635.3cdc2b97@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:20:39 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470045472:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d4faad19716c5 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Carver TX-11A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=QMmUPgm3kQmUC85iD78890lBi4vmkV2C0iFGT99XqQ7hkoO1D217 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I have had a chance to become familiar with the Carver TX-11A these past few weeks. It has the best sounding wideband audio I have heard from any AM tuner, but I find it does not have the same ability to decode weak or fading AM Stereo signals compared to a Delco UX1. Running a side-by-side comparison on nighttime signals the Delco UX1 would readily switch to stereo when tuning across WLS 890 in Chicago. The TX-11A, even with all the signal strength lights lit up would not lock onto the WLS AM-Stereo signal. The TX-11A has the first-generation Motorola MC13020 decoder chips that seem stubborn to lock onto an AM Stereo signal that was not full strength or fading. It seems to have trouble locking onto the stereo pilot tone. I see there is an article in the AM Tech Zone about upgrading the pilot tone circuit for an MC13020 used in the Realistic TM 152 AM Stereo tuner. Looks like that might be a worthwhile addition for the Carver TX-11A. The TX-11A seems suitable mostly for local AM Stereo signals that are strong without any fading. For DXing AM Stereo signals at night the Delco UX1 is the clear winner. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Wed May 09 23:03:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98789 invoked from network); 10 May 2012 06:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2012 06:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2012 06:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC7037447 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 01:03:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FAB5A30.9040105@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 01:03:28 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: Carver TX-11A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=1wEHG7_e6b7qfEZ0q6AY76j7cS8QB9BOILThK2l2VBBOqw X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >The TX-11A seems suitable mostly for local AM >Stereo signals that are strong without any fading. >For DXing AM Stereo signals at night the Delco UX1 >is the clear winner. >73 - Todd WD4NGG When building some of my first decoders with this chip it seemed that the pilot level was not strong enough to always trigger stereo so using the formulas provided in the datasheet I recalculated for the max gain & Q as specified, A=25 & Q=10, and with the selected components A=24 & Q=9.33 . I think the original components set it at A=19 & Q=8 . I also noticed that on the TM-152, having an non-DTR LO, that it may have produced more phase noise than desired which would trip the co-channel circuit preventing stereo. On my 152 I didn't use the co-channel input later when I upgraded the components since it seemed that this inhibited stereo. The original from the factory left pin12 (co-channel) unconnected. If this is a co channel issue and the Carver uses it you might first try to remove the DC blocking capacitor from pin 12 to disable it. If the unit has a manual override/forced mono the co-channel feature really isn't needed. If it kicks into stereo on a poor signal then switch it to mono. If this doesn't work then try to upgrade the the pilot tone filter components to .33uf, 360K, 7.5K & 1.2K1% . A higer Q in the pilot filter could be used it if a trimpot and resistor is used in place of the 1.2K for fine tuning. The pilot circuit upgrade can also be found here: http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/C-QuamDecoder.gif which also employs a 3rd order ~40Hz low pass active filter prior to the pilot filter. JSG From ninjarider100@yahoo.com Thu May 10 05:02:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ninjarider100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29431 invoked from network); 10 May 2012 12:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2012 12:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2012 12:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 12:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 12:02:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:02:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 173.64.208.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.64.208.214 From: "ninjarider100" Subject: KQWB-AM West Fargo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=528075768; y=Z3qu_dVWMmJJWK-akfJTOASb8Zes7p4KIi4A2CXBOAjCeBYtU2HFJA X-Yahoo-Profile: ninjarider100 This was one of the stations I "cut my teeth" on. If you look at the botto= m of this link (http://mwpersons.com/Stations/KQWB.html) I'm standing next = to Mark Borchert in the KBMW transmitter building. KQWB was originally on 1550 and had cquam since about 1985. programming wa= s over a composite 950 MHz link from the old studios in north Moorhead, MN = about 5 miles away. When the studios were relocated to 25th Street, they o= nly bought a mono phone line, so the feed to north Moorhead was mono, and w= e had an Orban stereo synthesizer at the transmitter to "make stereo." Thi= s continued through the 90's until a frequency change in 2000 brought a new= transmitter and a new frequency of 1660. The airchain remained almost the= same, except the old motorola exciter was retired and a harris equivalent = put in its place, as the latter could not do expanded band. When the stati= on flipped to conservative talk in 2003 we elected to shut the pilot off, a= s it made no sense to run fake stereo on a talk station. Rumor has it sinc= e the switch, the pilot has been turned back on. There is also a rumor the= re is a small chance that a new STL allotment will be acquired to run a dig= ital link between the studios in Fargo, and the transmitter near Averil, MN= . This would restore true stereo to the transmitter site. PS, We also talked during the transmitter replacement at KBMW of flipping t= hat station to stereo, the TX being capable and all. In hindsight, I shoul= d have pushed to get a stereo processor for the station, but at the time al= l of Orban's offerings were mono, and the stereo exciter would have broken = the budget. Cheers, Josh From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu May 10 13:13:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3413 invoked from network); 10 May 2012 20:13:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2012 20:13:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-04.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2012 20:13:03 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120510151247100345700011> for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:12:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4FAC2139.6020603@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:12:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:12:47 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120510-0, 05/10/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} KQWB-AM West Fargo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=nL3oYS0cKJnFehOjMojFLh4WPBd8CAJMTwJLPGd7PW6-tLBv42XY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/10/2012 7:02 AM, ninjarider100 wrote: > This was one of the stations I "cut my teeth" on. If you look at the > bottom of this link (http://mwpersons.com/Stations/KQWB.html) I'm > standing next to Mark Borchert in the KBMW transmitter building. > If those extra towers are still standing I may know someone who can help me take them down. Would love to have even one of them for ham radio use. [snip] When the station flipped to > conservative talk in 2003 we elected to shut the pilot off, as it made > no sense to run fake stereo on a talk station. Rumor has it since the > switch, the pilot has been turned back on. There is also a rumor there > is a small chance that a new STL allotment will be acquired to run a > digital link between the studios in Fargo, and the transmitter near > Averil, MN. This would restore true stereo to the transmitter site. I'll be up there next week and will be sure to check if the pilot is on. If you hear any confirmation they're back in stereo I'll see what I can do to get an aircheck. > > PS, We also talked during the transmitter replacement at KBMW of > flipping that station to stereo, the TX being capable and all. In > hindsight, I should have pushed to get a stereo processor for the > station, but at the time all of Orban's offerings were mono, and the > stereo exciter would have broken the budget. You probably could have gotten CRL's Amigo AM- it runs circles around most any Orban mono AM processor when it comes to music, and it's stereo. Too bad it's discontinued, but back then it was still a production item. Scott Todd From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Thu May 10 15:37:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24874 invoked from network); 10 May 2012 22:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2012 22:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2012 22:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D0E37447 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 17:37:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FAC433F.6090005@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:37:51 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: Carver TX-11A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=7lBVROI-oEM-9zdrhNrpQeafySTcme-i1a12-knKQsVliA X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I found the service manual for the TX-11A and it looks like the co-channel injection level is close to what's in http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/C-QuamDecoder.gif and is probably not a significant cause of no stereo on marginal signals but co-channel levels can affect stereo trigger levels. There is also some circiutry working on the forced mono pin on the chip. It is somewhat complex and I can't tell whether it just operates only on the tune stop after tuning or it also is affected by some other signal level/quality circuitry. If this is the case then this could also affect stereo triggering. To disable this unsolder one end of the R226 resistor. To disable the co-channel signal unsolder one end of both the R230 & R234 resistors. After unsoldering the resistors pull that end out of the circuit board. The points to unsolder are circled in red in this image: http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/DisableCoChannel.bmp . These are changes that can easily be reversed if they don't solve the problem. I suspect the circuitry associated with the forced mono pin (9) may be the primary cause. To see if forced mono is the issue tune to a marginal stereo signal and check the voltage on pin 9 with a DVM. If it is low then the chip is being held in the mono state. Disabling the co-channel and/or forced mono circuits will probably cause the decoder to on occasion trigger to stereo on much less than marginal signals that should remain mono. The other issue may be component value drift/failure due to aging for the pilot filter especially if the .47uf caps are electrolytics or tantalums. JSG From ninjarider100@yahoo.com Thu May 10 18:44:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ninjarider100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86365 invoked from network); 11 May 2012 01:44:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2012 01:44:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.168) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2012 01:44:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 01:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 01:44:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 01:44:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FAC2139.6020603@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 173.64.208.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.64.208.214 From: "ninjarider100" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KQWB-AM West Fargo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=528075768; y=FqUdOBOZo9IGiPWnbI2-pLDrjj3Ui2JypD2xGTu8s7UBlJe5LQaxGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ninjarider100 We looked at having them dropped at one time, it was cost prohibitive. I w= anted one for my backyard too. As far as the CRL goes, I agree its a great processor. I picked one up a w= hile back and use it to drive a panasonic test signal generator into a delt= a ASM-1. It sounds great as long as you don't hit it too hard. It has no = distortion cancellation, but is easy to modify. I remove the high pass fil= ter in mine. 1660 is currently running one and if it retires anytime soon = I wouldn't mind having a spare... Josh --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 5/10/2012 7:02 AM, ninjarider100 wrote: > > This was one of the stations I "cut my teeth" on. If you look at the > > bottom of this link (http://mwpersons.com/Stations/KQWB.html) I'm > > standing next to Mark Borchert in the KBMW transmitter building. > > >=20 > If those extra towers are still standing I may know someone who can help= =20 > me take them down. Would love to have even one of them for ham radio use= . >=20 > [snip] >=20 > When the station flipped to > > conservative talk in 2003 we elected to shut the pilot off, as it made > > no sense to run fake stereo on a talk station. Rumor has it since the > > switch, the pilot has been turned back on. There is also a rumor there > > is a small chance that a new STL allotment will be acquired to run a > > digital link between the studios in Fargo, and the transmitter near > > Averil, MN. This would restore true stereo to the transmitter site. >=20 > I'll be up there next week and will be sure to check if the pilot is on.= =20 > If you hear any confirmation they're back in stereo I'll see what I=20 > can do to get an aircheck. >=20 > > > > PS, We also talked during the transmitter replacement at KBMW of > > flipping that station to stereo, the TX being capable and all. In > > hindsight, I should have pushed to get a stereo processor for the > > station, but at the time all of Orban's offerings were mono, and the > > stereo exciter would have broken the budget. >=20 > You probably could have gotten CRL's Amigo AM- it runs circles around=20 > most any Orban mono AM processor when it comes to music, and it's=20 > stereo. Too bad it's discontinued, but back then it was still a=20 > production item. >=20 > Scott Todd > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri May 11 04:50:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74763 invoked from network); 11 May 2012 11:50:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2012 11:50:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.55) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2012 11:50:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 11:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 11:50:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:50:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3b5fb.6eaea635.3cdc2b97@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.232.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.232.63 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: Carver TX-11A X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=FRvun-zbzTn5aHteVRz1NYjyEpq1ZsEpOEvINeGxYJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Todd=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > Hi All, > I have had a chance to become familiar with the Carver TX-11A these > past few weeks. It has the best sounding wideband audio I have > heard from any AM tuner, but I find it does not have the same ability to= decode weak or fading AM Stereo signals compared to a Delco UX1.=20 Yes the TX11A is the most wonderfull sounding AM Stereo tuner /receiver als= o IMHO!And I did gad the chance to test or hear the most of the so-called b= est AMS tuners around, meaning that I had compare it to DENON TU-680NAB als= o. Well, in my test lab, on top of several T&M equipments there is Carver T= X11-A instead of any other possible choice, I have stocked in my home rack!= And yes the TX11A's are not so sensitive as lost of the all the other AMS = receivers I have seen till now! The ability to decode Am stereo signals, is= affected by its sensitivity, as it doesn't decode signals with less signal= than the scale edge shown on the LED s.meter, so any signal less than 3 fy= ll lited LEDS at it, will force the deocoder IC MC13020P to mono! = =20 >=20 > Running a side-by-side comparison on nighttime signals > the Delco UX1 would readily switch to stereo when tuning > across WLS 890 in Chicago. The TX-11A, even with all the=20 > signal strength lights lit up would not lock onto the > WLS AM-Stereo signal.=20 True! The DENON TU680NAB for example will decode AMS sigals with much less = incoming signal, although this is something you must select it to do it, as= it will not stop on them if yoiu have automatic seeking mode selected!!! T= hat's another story however...=20 If you do have a full signal AMS station reception, and still the decoder h= as not tyrned to stereo mode automatically, that's a specific tuner fault c= ase, IMHO!=20=20 >=20 > The TX-11A has the first-generation Motorola MC13020 > decoder chips that seem stubborn to lock onto an AM > Stereo signal that was not full strength or fading. It seems > to have trouble locking onto the stereo pilot tone. Yes also the MC13022 does work the same way... as I found lately, when I mo= dified the MARANTZ ST-6001 tuners to make them with the AM Stereo option of= them!=20 >=20 > I see there is an article in the AM Tech Zone about > upgrading the pilot tone circuit for an MC13020 > used in the Realistic TM 152 AM Stereo tuner. > Looks like that might be a worthwhile addition for > the Carver TX-11A. >=20 > The TX-11A seems suitable mostly for local AM > Stereo signals that are strong without any fading. > For DXing AM Stereo signals at night the Delco UX1=20 > is the clear winner. >=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG =20 From my experience with the TX11As you probably have a faulty unit there! I= had seen similar problems in some of the >50pcs I had the last ~4 years, a= nd I have fixed some of them. You might find that your unit needs a realigm= ent of the IF, including checking the AGC level adjustment, and by doing it= everything will come to normal!=20 Also there was a case... where a specific TX11A was to difficult to decode = AM Stereo signals, even placed right next to a 100W CQUAM transmitter! The = stereo circuit didn't always worked, and the STEREO light also didn't come = lit as it should be... The owner have come to me with the ASM100 to check = it for any possible fault on stereo modulator. It was a surprise for him to= see by it self that the ASM100 was working excellent in my lab TX11A recei= ver! Then he returned to his city and he found out that the fault was on th= e tuner it self! He called me and told me that he found out a loose connect= ion between the main to control pcbs cable!!! Removing it and then place it= again, it solved the problem! This have happened just before 2 months, and= still the tuner working without problem now!=20 It's possible you have a same or similar fault, there...=20 =20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr =20=20=20=20 From bratina501@msn.com Fri May 11 20:19:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76005 invoked from network); 12 May 2012 03:19:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2012 03:19:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.122) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2012 03:19:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 03:18:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 03:18:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 03:18:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 99.55.210.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=zVDpy7gSaPb084_8RS5272yndwxD65SLPCToN6_nH-FEbO1CVw X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I recently got one of these tuners and noticed that the AM dial reads a lit= tle bit high in comparison to what it reads on FM in terms of frequency, ex= ample being 700 reads a bit closer to 900 and 650 reads somewhere around 87= 0 going by the dial scale. Does anyone else have this issue or know of a wa= y to recalibrate the dial for AM? From dannibou@yahoo.ca Sat May 12 06:49:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dannibou@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93927 invoked from network); 12 May 2012 13:49:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2012 13:49:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.38) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2012 13:49:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 13:43:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 13:43:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:43:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 24.202.175.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.202.175.129 From: "dannibou" Subject: Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63822044; y=Vh-xH195y6TRzmMuy1izAsIPY92nucZbiVY9ruotbMW2s7U X-Yahoo-Profile: dannibou --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "nicholas" wrote: > > I recently got one of these tuners and noticed that the AM dial reads a l= ittle bit high in comparison to what it reads on FM in terms of frequency, = example being 700 reads a bit closer to 900 and 650 reads somewhere around = 870 going by the dial scale. Does anyone else have this issue or know of a = way to recalibrate the dial for AM? > What is the highest frequency you get when you tune to the upper end of the= band over 1600 on the dial? I have one srf and the dial calibration is goo= d. Danny From bratina501@msn.com Sat May 12 09:34:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90165 invoked from network); 12 May 2012 16:34:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2012 16:34:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.31) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2012 16:34:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 16:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 16:34:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 16:34:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 99.55.210.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=-lF3CEM_s1jJoeKbbiN_YInEtIiRxvQl12D6UgV7NgQWPZM7YA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dannibou" wrote: > >=20 > > > What is the highest frequency you get when you tune to the upper end of t= he band over 1600 on the dial? I have one srf and the dial calibration is g= ood. > Danny > The highest I have noted is about 1620 or 1630 at the high end of the dial.= Due to actually hearing KCJJ is of course on 1630. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat May 12 10:10:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94372 invoked from network); 12 May 2012 17:10:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2012 17:10:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.138) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2012 17:10:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 17:10:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 17:10:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:10:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_vCfUGhXrA1TYUQiGDdBwbqX2o0RJ0iJv5cgop8WUPHbKpPXz_KT7AY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'd rather have it read the other way, as I used to be able to DX KCJJ in s= tereo at night with an SRF-100 until the DOT put 3 transmitters on 1630 KHz= without checking with me first!=20 From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sat May 12 11:23:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66356 invoked from network); 12 May 2012 18:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2012 18:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.214.252) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2012 18:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 18:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 18:23:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:23:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 76.102.178.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.102.178.135 From: "tom_richard1980" Subject: Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=MRWdCoG0RfQrK9tVnfeEXNVyhD6NBzpsYUlGZYTjlnoWDK3y6VqxDzLX X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 There's a station at 1640 in Vallejo, CA that I get with the SRF A-100. = =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > I'd rather have it read the other way, as I used to be able to DX KCJJ in= stereo at night with an SRF-100 until the DOT put 3 transmitters on 1630 K= Hz without checking with me first! > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat May 12 12:58:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18479 invoked from network); 12 May 2012 19:58:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2012 19:58:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-06.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.166) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2012 19:58:50 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120512145843100082700010> for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:58:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4FAEC0EA.1010004@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:58:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:58:43 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120512-0, 05/12/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=2UELGatSqCenJs7lmRusAr4ZBQpvJ-HPzK8kf49GzJN9sFoOpYei X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/11/2012 10:19 PM, nicholas wrote: > I recently got one of these tuners and noticed that the AM dial reads a > little bit high in comparison to what it reads on FM in terms of > frequency, example being 700 reads a bit closer to 900 and 650 reads > somewhere around 870 going by the dial scale. Does anyone else have this > issue or know of a way to recalibrate the dial for AM? I've never had the back off one of these things, but I can give you a pretty good idea having done front end alignments on other radios. If you can identify the tuning capacitor there will be four little screwdriver adjustments on the back. You may want to put a pencil mark on each to mark their positions. Two of them will be for AM, the other two for FM. Turn one of them and if there's no change, set it back to the pencil mark and try another. When you hit the AM oscillator, that's when it'll sound like you're tuning around the dial with the main knob. If it just changes the loudness a bit, temporarily set it back to the pencil mark as this is the AM antenna adjustment. You want to do the oscillator first. Tune in a station of known frequency on the low end of the dial (near 600 is best) and walk the station down with the oscillator trimmer. You do this by tuning just below the station and tune it in with the trimmer. Once the dial is tracking correctly tune to a station near 1400 and adjust the other AM trimmer for loudest signal. Scott Todd From bratina501@msn.com Sat May 12 14:44:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96710 invoked from network); 12 May 2012 21:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2012 21:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.171) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2012 21:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 21:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 21:44:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:44:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FAEC0EA.1010004@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 99.55.210.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=AH-5d4C50eUVA-on_nIX2yKOwNLWmCQrnaCYeuTelfba8NcezA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > I've never had the back off one of these things, but I can give you a=20 > pretty good idea having done front end alignments on other radios. If=20 > you can identify the tuning capacitor there will be four little=20 > screwdriver adjustments on the back. You may want to put a pencil mark=20 > on each to mark their positions. Two of them will be for AM, the other=20 > two for FM. >=20 > Turn one of them and if there's no change, set it back to the pencil=20 > mark and try another. When you hit the AM oscillator, that's when it'll= =20 > sound like you're tuning around the dial with the main knob. If it just= =20 > changes the loudness a bit, temporarily set it back to the pencil mark=20 > as this is the AM antenna adjustment. You want to do the oscillator=20 > first. Tune in a station of known frequency on the low end of the dial=20 > (near 600 is best) and walk the station down with the oscillator=20 > trimmer. You do this by tuning just below the station and tune it in=20 > with the trimmer. Once the dial is tracking correctly tune to a station=20 > near 1400 and adjust the other AM trimmer for loudest signal. >=20 > Scott Todd I tried that on AM and it did not work, it still reads way high on the low = end of the dial while being dead accurate at the high end but it might be d= ue to the way the actual dial scale is calibrated rather than the variable = capacitor its self because I see the same problem with FM too. Even if I ad= just for the middle of the band it still reads a bit off but the variance i= s based on where I calibrated the tuner in reference to its pointer scale. = This also answered a long standing question I had about variable capacitors= in AM/FM tuners as well in the case of the four screws on the back. From acq@videotron.ca Sat May 12 17:51:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56092 invoked from network); 13 May 2012 00:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2012 00:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2012 00:51:21 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M3X00AO0RPJZX30@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 12 May 2012 20:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4A5BEA7BFF5E4980A31E466FEE8C35A7@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 20:51:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=TgaorT6UyFZij1JB6xwwPyuaNpuuB5qDo6AGK6Lg6Hftp7fczoNow-8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Indeed, it stops at 1640 kHz, although one could get stereo-like overspills from 1650 while on 1640 in AM st Wide mode. As far as my once trusty CFS 6000 Sony unit goes, it even reachs 1680 in AM Narrow ST mode... The Sony SRF A1 stops at 1670 kHz. By the way, I now have a Voice recorder, an Olympus to that, so the CFS 6000 is almost useless to me... When I`ll have more time, I`ll probably sell it unrepaired as it is.... It is awesome, I can record myself talking with my girlfriend, singing, or I can connect it right to the headphone jack of any AMS device for sharp ST separation. Does anyone know of a receiver that receives the whole 530-1710 kHz AM band in stereo OTHER than the Meducci units ? Is there even still someone on 1700 in ST that I may miss ? Why were all the X-band stations required to use stereo broadcasts with technically no receivers available ? How many car radios tune up to 1710 kHz ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu ----- Original Message ----- From: tom_richard1980 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration There's a station at 1640 in Vallejo, CA that I get with the SRF A-100. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" wrote: > > I'd rather have it read the other way, as I used to be able to DX KCJJ in stereo at night with an SRF-100 until the DOT put 3 transmitters on 1630 KHz without checking with me first! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sat May 12 17:57:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74140 invoked from network); 13 May 2012 00:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2012 00:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2012 00:57:13 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M3X00JE8RZBA1H0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 12 May 2012 20:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 20:57:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: AM stereo on VHF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=L9xkM3OAm-SC22p4-HNi4bbv5c7zo1A0FImfmGOsm_R1rogZ5mbEFHw X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we could replace 88-108 MHz with 88000-108000 kHz AM Stereo, would Motorola C-QUAM, Harris V-CPM, Magnavox PVM, Kahn Hazeltine, Kahn ISB or Belar would be the best ? Because AM has more loudness and some slight CRISPY distortion on the high frequencies, adding stereo to it would make it somewhat better than FM and with beter range... Since VHF does not skip like MW do, why worry so much about platform motion ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat May 12 18:09:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 757 invoked from network); 13 May 2012 01:09:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2012 01:09:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.153) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2012 01:09:18 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP279 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 12 May 2012 18:09:18 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP279.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 12 May 2012 18:09:17 -0700 To: References: Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 19:09:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2012 01:09:17.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[04E1DAE0:01CD30A5] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo on VHF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=325NiFGZCM4bECuvjf5Akix8FkFjcAVqr62RUpK5hFD_ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd in short fcc screwed the pooch with tv channels 5 and 6. they had a golden oppertunity to transistion fm to digital and either sunset regular fm or move all stations on fm to this new digital band and populate fm with the stations from am in digital then they could have gave am medium wave to the low power crowd for low power am, tis, education non comms and even a segment of frequencies for a up to 10 watt erp hobby band toward top of x band and kept power low enough that it could reuse frequencies in adjacent towns. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mirela Chiochiu" To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:57 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo on VHF > If we could replace 88-108 MHz with 88000-108000 kHz AM Stereo, would > Motorola C-QUAM, Harris V-CPM, Magnavox PVM, Kahn Hazeltine, Kahn ISB or > Belar would be the best ? Because AM has more loudness and some slight > CRISPY distortion on the high frequencies, adding stereo to it would make > it somewhat better than FM and with beter range... Since VHF does not skip > like MW do, why worry so much about platform motion ? > > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun May 13 00:09:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56681 invoked from network); 13 May 2012 07:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2012 07:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com) (209.85.215.42) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2012 07:09:08 -0000 X-Received: by lagy4 with SMTP id y4so3015871lag.29 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 00:09:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.86.71 with SMTP id n7mr1659364lbz.33.1336892947051; Sun, 13 May 2012 00:09:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.4.39 with HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2012 00:09:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.4.39 with HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2012 00:09:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 15:09:07 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo on VHF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=fpt-J9tMShTJHX1fZAOXDwiqRwf5qAPkbULR7Zj0ut_gcx1g X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. My understanding is that one of the reasons AM has a good range is because of the medium wave frequencies where AM is used. If AM was moved to VHF, the range would decrease because there would be less skywave. The advantage AM may have is that you can concentrate TX power into a smaller bandwidth. On May 13, 2012 9:09 AM, "Robert P Chrysafis" wrote: > ** > > > in short fcc screwed the pooch with tv channels 5 and 6. they had a golde= n > oppertunity to transistion fm to digital and either sunset regular fm or > move all stations on fm to this new digital band and populate fm with the > stations from am in digital then they could have gave am medium wave to > the > low power crowd for low power am, tis, education non comms and even a > segment of frequencies for a up to 10 watt erp hobby band toward top of x > band and kept power low enough that it could reuse frequencies in adjacen= t > towns. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mirela Chiochiu" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:57 PM > Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo on VHF > > > If we could replace 88-108 MHz with 88000-108000 kHz AM Stereo, would > > Motorola C-QUAM, Harris V-CPM, Magnavox PVM, Kahn Hazeltine, Kahn ISB o= r > > Belar would be the best ? Because AM has more loudness and some slight > > CRISPY distortion on the high frequencies, adding stereo to it would > make > > it somewhat better than FM and with beter range... Since VHF does not > skip > > like MW do, why worry so much about platform motion ? > > > > May the good DX be with you ! > > Bogdan Chiochiu > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun May 13 05:16:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92269 invoked from network); 13 May 2012 12:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2012 12:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f49.google.com) (209.85.213.49) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2012 12:16:13 -0000 X-Received: by yhjj52 with SMTP id j52so4560173yhj.8 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 05:16:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.79.106 with SMTP id h70mr1466982yhe.105.1336911373053; Sun, 13 May 2012 05:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u2sm69854399yhe.8.2012.05.13.05.16.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 May 2012 05:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 08:16:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo on VHF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=gvbSr-CqA21cL_Pp4VMdudV_faGZ4LJ1Yt8_aFLJHElXyFLBkDxvNICfCRB97w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 13, 2012, at 3:09 AM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > My understanding is that one of the reasons AM has a good range is because > of the medium wave frequencies where AM is used. If AM was moved to VHF, > the range would decrease because there would be less skywave. Once Upon a time there was the APEX High Fidelity AM Broadcast Band from 25 to 42 MHz. and FM from 42 to 50 MHz. In 1939 The FCC started encouraging APEX Stations to switch to the FM Band, then screwed them over in 1945 by moving the FM Band to 84 - 108 MHz, then again moving to 88-108 in 1962. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx@yahoo.com Sun May 13 13:30:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7360 invoked from network); 13 May 2012 20:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2012 20:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.122) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2012 20:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 20:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 20:30:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:30:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.84.102.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.84.102.59 From: "bossmsx" Subject: FS: Sanyo AMS Boombox X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170289152; y=-aY0trgFZAKdyz_SutCe7eWiYDF6eEpqVASZ9B1ZQPcktQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Hate to part with it, but I don't envision myself doing any more AM Stereo = aircheck trips, and locally, Florida is a non-AM Stereo state. I have a Sanyo MW-250 multimode AM Stereo boombox I recently got my hands o= n.....Unfortunately, I could probably use the money more than the radio so = I am letting it go for $150...Cassette decks do not work. Please email me personally at bossmsx@gmail.com if you are interested...I c= an send pictures if you like. Thanks. PS-More radios on the way soon, hopefully. Tony Simon From bratina501@msn.com Sun May 13 20:50:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83034 invoked from network); 14 May 2012 03:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2012 03:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.239) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2012 03:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 03:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 03:50:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 03:50:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A5BEA7BFF5E4980A31E466FEE8C35A7@MirelaPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 99.55.210.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=gjXyWF48i4Tnl2vcTdsVELi_x9Ja1fWazk2yh6WvYd3OaqU2ew X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > Indeed, it stops at 1640 kHz, although one could get stereo-like overspil= ls from 1650 while on 1640 in AM st Wide mode. >=20 > As far as my once trusty CFS 6000 Sony unit goes, it even reachs 1680 in = AM Narrow ST mode... >=20 > The Sony SRF A1 stops at 1670 kHz. >=20 > By the way, I now have a Voice recorder, an Olympus to that, so the CFS 6= 000 is almost useless to me... When I`ll have more time, I`ll probably sell= it unrepaired as it is.... It is awesome, I can record myself talking with= my girlfriend, singing, or I can connect it right to the headphone jack of= any AMS device for sharp ST separation. >=20 > Does anyone know of a receiver that receives the whole 530-1710 kHz AM ba= nd in stereo OTHER than the Meducci units ? Is there even still someone on = 1700 in ST that I may miss ? Why were all the X-band stations required to u= se stereo broadcasts with technically no receivers available ? How many car= radios tune up to 1710 kHz ? >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu This whole thing was quite useful, thanks to everyone who replied. Now I re= alize what the proper calibration for the SRF-A100 is and I have adjusted m= ine to what everyone else said was the highest frequency. Luckily I can get= something on 1640 which is WKSH out of Wisconsin and that was my marker fo= r the absolute highest frequency that can be received with the pointer buri= ed at the top of the tuning scale. Given this seems to be the original fact= ory calibration that is what I have adjusted my tuner to even though it see= ms a bit weird for a pre-1993 AM tuner to get the expanded band even if its= just a small portion. 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FM band and DABPLUS to the european market with a little hope to get it out= in the 27 countries of EU. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: nicholas Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 14 maj 2012 5:50 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > Indeed, it stops at 1640 kHz, although one could get stereo-like overspil= ls from 1650 while on 1640 in AM st Wide mode. >=20 > As far as my once trusty CFS 6000 Sony unit goes, it even reachs 1680 in = AM Narrow ST mode... >=20 > The Sony SRF A1 stops at 1670 kHz. >=20 > By the way, I now have a Voice recorder, an Olympus to that, so the CFS 6= 000 is almost useless to me... When I`ll have more time, I`ll probably sell= it unrepaired as it is.... It is awesome, I can record myself talking with= my girlfriend, singing, or I can connect it right to the headphone jack of= any AMS device for sharp ST separation. >=20 > Does anyone know of a receiver that receives the whole 530-1710 kHz AM ba= nd in stereo OTHER than the Meducci units ? Is there even still someone on = 1700 in ST that I may miss ? Why were all the X-band stations required to u= se stereo broadcasts with technically no receivers available ? How many car= radios tune up to 1710 kHz ? >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu This whole thing was quite useful, thanks to everyone who replied. Now I re= alize what the proper calibration for the SRF-A100 is and I have adjusted m= ine to what everyone else said was the highest frequency. Luckily I can get= something on 1640 which is WKSH out of Wisconsin and that was my marker fo= r the absolute highest frequency that can be received with the pointer buri= ed at the top of the tuning scale. Given this seems to be the original fact= ory calibration that is what I have adjusted my tuner to even though it see= ms a bit weird for a pre-1993 AM tuner to get the expanded band even if its= just a small portion. =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon May 14 13:37:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87113 invoked from network); 14 May 2012 20:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2012 20:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2012 20:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120514153730101097200010> for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:37:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4FB16D00.1090800@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 15:37:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 15:37:30 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4A5BEA7BFF5E4980A31E466FEE8C35A7@MirelaPC> In-Reply-To: <4A5BEA7BFF5E4980A31E466FEE8C35A7@MirelaPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120514-1, 05/14/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=EBjs9kinudPqKcVp2dQfthm9hjl7MWNLbBnFmQByYcF8pXFpjXdA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/12/2012 7:51 PM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > Does anyone know of a receiver that receives the whole 530-1710 kHz AM > band in stereo OTHER than the Meducci units ? Is there even still > someone on 1700 in ST that I may miss ? Why were all the X-band stations > required to use stereo broadcasts with technically no receivers > available ? How many car radios tune up to 1710 kHz ? Last I knew there still is a Sony cube radio that fits the bill, possibly the SRF-300 as well. Other than that you'd have to either spend the bucks for a Fanfare FT-100A, or find one of the IBOC radios that also has this capability. X-band stations were never required to be in stereo. It was merely worth a few extra points to the one promising to do so when it came to competing applications. The FCC was hoping that by encouraging AM stations to transmit stereo the receiver manufacturers would finally start producing them in greater numbers. Scott From bratina501@msn.com Mon May 14 18:01:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41576 invoked from network); 15 May 2012 01:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2012 01:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.187) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2012 01:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 01:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 01:01:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 01:01:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1337015757.97634.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 99.55.210.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.55.210.20 From: "nicholas" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=_harshRA41vjH7X5pNxLBoDqLRITMlIp7jx4KPzhF-o16FSY3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Bogdan, > =C2=A0 > have a prototype of a car radio with AM 522- 1710 kHz AMS and 15 kHz audi= o. > FM band and DABPLUS to the european market with a little hope to get it o= ut in the 27 countries of EU. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20=20 Nice specs, even if you do market it in Europe and see at least some succes= s it could not hurt to make a North American version too by stripping out D= AB Plus, adding RDS on FM if it does not already, and have a 10 KHz band st= ep for AM. I get the feeling this radio could turn AM IBOC on its head shou= ld it see even some popularity. 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Most will be low power T= X's and it can as low power be a little more liberal audio bandwidth from P= TT. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: nicholas Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: tisdag, 15 maj 2012 3:01 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Bogdan, > =C3=82=C2=A0 > have a prototype of a car radio with AM 522- 1710 kHz AMS and 15 kHz audi= o. > FM band and DABPLUS to the european market with a little hope to get it o= ut in the 27 countries of EU. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 Nice specs, even if you do market it in Europe and see at least some succes= s it could not hurt to make a North American version too by stripping out D= AB Plus, adding RDS on FM if it does not already, and have a 10 KHz band st= ep for AM. I get the feeling this radio could turn AM IBOC on its head shou= ld it see even some popularity. =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue May 15 00:03:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29783 invoked from network); 15 May 2012 07:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2012 07:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.143) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2012 07:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 07:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.91] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 07:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 07:03:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 176302.55844.bm@omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 32761 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2012 07:03:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wen_9dUVM1nUqzdcqQf0Uovkygc.StaZaoBEVlsC9mFOBhT XmbMcCiCKrczbxYjzBwmDgebDDuJhhIJfpTM7Bq74B3DlRu.Y8MGtPg6MTAg U102eN7LLW4f..bDgFg1QGX0DakPJX24ozMt5IdMnEr75a5wDmf4ILstuAZr YFys7fSM10qBvpx7YwK.EIy9ZrafMU3iDv30L6PEHQ20s16JemNkGewZehDa Qg5sEmXRu3w6TXbu9iky1LliZil5_n7etudU50XaEELtTjFD4PmGj8C9N0VT oKP7lztawadf.SkgmeSq2NASA7biUEF9tnEAS1q8CyjrBNu9SoA8Lgact37V 4ob6R1o8nB0aNYAFuVDT8TOFGNQ.hOUsFrysx.z2oXyBRtDlL5d1rp1Bb6i0 RBTmGnJqlvTl1LghICSz0hKKIMlWA0X_iw7.CLjALSipEkXr4ttbDPHYpyRc Q5VPziAGNiTAPRBlSfsVrdex6TuhsgLmNDq3T8.z_n6QWyLz90kl1_2VNGgu 3Q3w5LZDNmkMouUeGgvZUddF6KExTIjDT20s.sa0p107rlEVIROfWHRRgsQu OtMynz6kjJvGk1ivWjw9mZVAXrgQd1U0GKyZmavcW90wno6tOD2lcf9viUz9 6Ih3yWBGNSSlXn0HITXyU1OglN2combL127gnMeShq8QQYexnDr7IGASQVWM OYpQq_aMRmTv2dF9GoJncPpbweZsk6Yk_kf1DFK_XTx.QEK96ARwopFW0MUD Qk7aXbhn7IIdoTStS_2PTnGDRYLPJF75WHLXbg_YqykfI9zqfGipFAGZCjeo NhZAgyEcfrE.iq9maTDaET80nmZZwuaAL1o5PkrjBcOWpb5Cp4_0xxg_UEdd w7thTsEtPpCTeAITTtOMX7enEWzooWWbxPQ4xk4YC66x.Kff.DcGdK9dsFRM iabiN08ZEAs.SgQJM84I4tjVdTXC86F0RFvpNQ8cQDbty00.21ZjkomPP58_ F5KG7Y9Yn9jfWr599kuAgq463XVRj90.8savuUz3lk0fUmnmlMfTkUCNNigd ty2ZEQRuP3VIajjE26TdFWROUk2QGR3llRCCXBM_MOnRxip_RLdtby9pQNcz uoTzkVLQz3V2.RVm1buB9D5AYlXy60VOFXD9ANWtEUZD1Dbc8p0Jj7OKVO2O .x4B2OAckJHG2I798AkclJsI_l0tAXH0pNVswfKlfWCtNhUUFM7t6zDljlTj 22.AAMFZakuQpqxsaTU0Rs7az1deKJrfWywZyReGIX1cXPwCsJDiyYodk51K 5aYVuRtKVQNpTIswZTFTrSJdRLdJvoNY7wEJIz.9mSuf23e6iFaP9admMrpt VM4TD6Miuvzgji7iVMjNwXk8y9LP4_ySqNcQyvd1F2vrpDDDWhEnLzsN.ItC uNW50oZhdv83YdvJ9HHAI9sAsMdS39h0zwZDMbJAwT7kdILJvxHumKDyFEVY l0ncbQSx6stKZ4onOhapz9bOOWDCXJIiLkl7c7hrgJ3mDGIGiCBWXtrzj1aI CBoxOaAGzEx7IyyR1g1v_nIPNrUIAi6WT65jS4mvtrK9a_ITKyPA6UlY6yfI 2YlNWoDS7ADKsLDw14xes5QTIlHmaihJKJnVGCP04WILtxsGzB7tGsGrUfjz egcgYEYqmVtje.HWwx4smf2UYVH8DS9Q0Y8NPlGo1PjgP4UVkawmz7dt0hvM eBP4u67ABxVn0Rxl2GuzxBP9CaefANeguQZa7GNmmgMycs0qfrSeYQv6zQ5P b.yeBjbogxRLpmHGy2ZNvA.pmk5nbdSgQunoLr6pHaInJ17Oe70tUMkOG0Bt .pxq1ATtJLT2umJPab80HjDSXj4G9l.__Swxc7LbgtjlOHoMAhvT8cr.ToPh e9Vj.nRNpQlDIChJIBaCeSS_uQIRvLuZP.8UJg8_U0HyusYbMHzzsA7FLtbO 3tHXvvGfApRwytrw_uq8wdA-- X-Received: from [75.18.51.215] by web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:03:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337065427.32274.YahooMailClassic@web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 00:03:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo on VHF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=q-DcAcowMOq6gEIyWec-BPZm3Cik9N-oaWm41dT25ffTDSr8__sEyaF4GuWjp3syhjxDznRd X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kevin=C2=A0 I still need to get in contact with you off list. Jim Smith --- On Sun, 5/13/12, Kevin Raper wrote: From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo on VHF To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 5:16 AM =C2=A0=20 On May 13, 2012, at 3:09 AM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > My understanding is that one of the reasons AM has a good range is becaus= e > of the medium wave frequencies where AM is used. If AM was moved to VHF, > the range would decrease because there would be less skywave. Once Upon a time there was the APEX High Fidelity AM Broadcast Band from 25= to 42 MHz. and FM from 42 to 50 MHz. In 1939 The FCC started encouraging A= PEX Stations to switch to the FM Band, then screwed them over in 1945 by mo= ving the FM Band to 84 - 108 MHz, then again moving to 88-108 in 1962. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Tue May 15 14:13:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43006 invoked from network); 15 May 2012 21:12:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2012 21:12:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2012 21:12:58 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M4300M1I1LH4SC0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <784805A1734F430880FB3704ABDF0B90@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1337015757.97634.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1337063304.74338.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1337063304.74338.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:12:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=yxucg4Ei0OJQNS1H1zWlDjTHrZfs1VrnExxqyQh-af-M8ca3oWViei4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What about C-QUAM on LW 153-279 kHz ? There is less fading on LW than on MW. As far as fadings are concerned, is = it true that 3rd generation Motorola decoders are dealing better with platf= orm motion than 1st generation ones or is it a myth ? Regards, Bogdan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roy Sandgren=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:28 AM Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration =20=20=20=20 Hi, =20=20=20 a later version maybe for US market.We need to test the EU market first, = course if someone do AMS TX, there will be a market. Most will be low power= TX's and it can as low power be a little more liberal audio bandwidth from= PTT. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: nicholas Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: tisdag, 15 maj 2012 3:01 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Bogdan, > =C3=82=20 > have a prototype of a car radio with AM 522- 1710 kHz AMS and 15 kHz au= dio. > FM band and DABPLUS to the european market with a little hope to get it= out in the 27 countries of EU. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 Nice specs, even if you do market it in Europe and see at least some succ= ess it could not hurt to make a North American version too by stripping out= DAB Plus, adding RDS on FM if it does not already, and have a 10 KHz band = step for AM. I get the feeling this radio could turn AM IBOC on its head sh= ould it see even some popularity. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Tue May 15 14:15:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32782 invoked from network); 15 May 2012 21:15:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2012 21:15:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2012 21:15:15 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([173.178.184.182]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M43004PG1PCTJ70@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:15:15 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Motorola C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=IGxj0E1q2ew3pQdsRXtS9G0IjI7n4OcTznF5AXxiPW-dAX8e_y8npuM X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again ! Myth or reality: is it true that 2nd generation Motorola C-Quam decoders are better at dealing with platform motion than 1st generation or is it just a myth ? What is the difference ? Are they even perfect are gthere are some flaws or platform motion even in 3rd generation Motorola chips !? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue May 15 16:35:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31590 invoked from network); 15 May 2012 23:35:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2012 23:35:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2012 23:35:45 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4FNZiGc020987 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:35:44 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgd004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.9]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4E1A9E000081 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b0d3.24e304e.3ce4424f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:35:44 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:424654912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94fb2e85071db X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=4ytcjIEO5h4G7qoPrAK-qVd9UNgWBry4m8GYJtbOHS9JziRC7SuF X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I think it is mostly a myth that the 3rd generation Motorola C-Quam decoder chips don't suffer with platform motion. I have heard platform motion using the MC13028 chips. They may be better able to reject platform motion by staying in mono if they sense co-channel interference, but when in stereo mode they still get hit with platform motion mostly from off-frequency carriers mixing with each other at night. It would be interesting to see what might happen someday if someone can develop a C-Quam decoder using DSP. They might be able to compensate for platform motion if they used DSP. I still think the way to mostly solve the problem is for all broadcasters to be on exactly the same frequency, then no more or very little platform motion. Most of the newer solid state transmitter boxes like Nautel have provision for an on-board GPS receiver that can lock a synthesizer to frequency with an accuracy well within 1 Hz. The old tolerance of +/- 20Hz means you can have carriers mixing up to 40Hz apart on the AM broadcast band which creates a noisy mess of sub-audible heterodynes as well as platform motion in C-Quam decoders especially at night that can leave your head swimming. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 5/15/2012 5:13:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, acq@videotron.ca writes: What about C-QUAM on LW 153-279 kHz ? There is less fading on LW than on MW. As far as fadings are concerned, is it true that 3rd generation Motorola decoders are dealing better with platform motion than 1st generation ones or is it a myth ? Regards, Bogdan From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 16 08:17:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13626 invoked from network); 16 May 2012 15:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2012 15:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.167) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2012 15:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 15:17:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.254] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 15:17:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1067.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 15:17:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 926851.33087.bm@omp1067.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 28257 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2012 15:17:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jiTaOpgVM1lEyFZ5UcfxIQCnk6psz8Hb.7ZoUc2wiFUd9qZ 76JIYsk4E7pMpKerSp1NdKYlDaSi6HS0ZGyR3ZIiafHD9bnV3cbw.YIkPN1T afsSvhMJ5nHraC7Pnppm.nodLQcd7jxTy80MNhy1kunP.x3YBjSyEuSQ1b02 9_U85wvHT_MXbeMz1MOKNUUWu7IMynxUzT1qTJCNyRu1RlKdyJ6l2Xemt_zQ 7DrRyqEalDsuRIC10f098MpzWACmLv2SIOCUU79rjbIxeUO.An5sdRqmR.Co 74s3yHqrtOzciWBGpU6QQnuAZknhXuf0QgfpqkH0Z.Q62dchXmKKof6BmNwc vYLMkHA1nsW9xs_k9br65HShNNsOicD4NX4PKNMG7iVSYDroXqYUNHviAf6e MQ6WwiHTYaTv.y1Wk4I1of1D0LB_yjO03omCRsQmPC9ggRU4_b88WN29ZvzD .9xHYBAF6S.reqRa2qpYXBbReZUYEquqb3.q9Azl050JJ2AIYuKpA6zcXfJ0 vJdqmlONdOCzzWz0fMlZgFZ6cos9wchacESfsd66LXq1sQ02RdX6zwgxcawW 2T2fL0J0qpfpK4QCE8C56N._rcifMgQDdvcFq__el4as- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 08:17:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337181448.56266.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.212.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zo-6fcpDRQWv0GERXuXBYX4zD-YSSVuq7OouVSKODTX7JUKT7zU5Opc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What's the story on this guy?=A0 FCC okay? =A0 http://hidakabroadcast.co.id/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id= =3D44&Itemid=3D43 =A0 =A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Wed May 16 11:47:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73093 invoked from network); 16 May 2012 18:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2012 18:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2012 18:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BFF37447 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 13:47:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FB3F63F.3010003@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 13:47:27 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Motorola C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=ptSnmWzuHJ_kC--rntyxI5D060P1L1yb1C9az_w5QSSdFA X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >Hello again ! > >Myth or reality: is it true that 2nd generation Motorola C-Quam decoders are >better at dealing with platform motion than 1st generation or is it just a myth >? What is the difference ? Are they even perfect are gthere are some flaws or >platform motion even in 3rd generation Motorola chips !? > >May the good DX be with you ! >Bogdan Chiochiu Interesting to know what they have done in the 2nd and 3rd generation chips to reduce platform motion. The effect is caused by co-channel interference which causes the PLL to mis-track. An error by as much as ±90° will cause the decoder to fully swap L+R with L-R compromising separation. The cosine corrector circuit then exasperates the problem by greatly distorting the signal in the process. To compensate you would need some sort of correction signal sent back to the PLL to neutralize the co-channel interference effects to the PLL. As a result if not mostly neutralized a per channel loudness modulation occurs as the location of the L+R image in the room moves from side to side. The only system that deals with the effects of co-channel interference to the PLL differently as to not compromise separation is ISB. The channels stay completely separated in the sidebands and as the decoding process being sideband based maintains full channel separation. What is affected is channel phasing which plays out in the listening environment in sort of phase shifter kind of effect. It would appear that this effect is less pronounced than platform motion for the same mis-track error. Listening through headphones would help reduce the effect since the within the room the channel mixing effect would be eliminated. JSG From radio774@yahoo.se Wed May 16 12:40:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77402 invoked from network); 16 May 2012 19:40:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2012 19:40:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.203) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2012 19:40:06 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.50] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 19:40:04 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.244] by tm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 19:40:04 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 19:40:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 667163.82284.bm@omp1009.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 37303 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2012 19:40:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2fiSXkkVM1mcfu8hhhkdlNulI5Z1I1a_70LG8f9dn.68BuZ .ZuG.QbwHTM19owABF_JQbjBfoDXAEW7ImDCSOIRyIR8TSccCMpicIFUWzwX gJS1H800w7qfIfszRLSRqRwWkkgwVDlsyIRyT_YVBlzLbdQa6gEF4_RFe_g6 cxjKwRzO.AR.sZfF_Dg.zMQxR7E22E1gz8b5fBJRch.l5uu.ibIIobVrPx4t d9KMG5Fd3m.H3sUwo3I0x3m5d0M0DqcYjxnELGrw9kgUJYP1N619fmZV03E_ UWmRa7yxGSTdhqEQIcwa7y8o_42eVZZCcFEX8dVRvhRCvdw_fPvZvQaVLR_H g8gDFnin72QDNi.3q.YLrZZXxnGCk4QKWUejHJkQM2qL7olhEsvUvnZnxfDd 518qgnbSX3j1GsdNvjQV7Oq3.ZRTKw3or1mpg5JVO1iCr7XoY6P035LoHuUF ANMrT7bDtpdsO2i.qiG1plS3jPYVycjPJUFTzW1lmdep5W1ltZYFfkOfU2m. 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A special to EU, am fm dab+, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: onsdag, 16 maj 2012 1:35 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 I think it is mostly a myth that the 3rd generation Motorola C-Quam decoder= =20 chips don't suffer with platform motion. I have heard platform motion using the=20 MC13028 chips.=20 They may be better able to reject platform motion by staying in mono if=20 they sense co-channel interference, but when in stereo mode they still get hit with=20 platform motion mostly from off-frequency carriers mixing with each other at night. It would be interesting to see what might happen someday if someone can=20 develop a C-Quam decoder using DSP. They might be able to compensate for platform= =20 motion if they used DSP. I still think the way to mostly solve the problem is for=20 all broadcasters to be on exactly the same frequency, then no more or very little platform=20 motion.=20 Most of the newer solid state transmitter boxes like Nautel have provision for an on-board=20 GPS receiver that can lock a synthesizer to frequency with an accuracy well within 1 Hz. The old=20 tolerance of +/- 20Hz means you can have carriers mixing up to 40Hz apart on the AM broadcast=20 band which creates a noisy mess of sub-audible heterodynes as well as platform motion in C-Quam decoders especially at night that can leave your head swimming. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 5/15/2012 5:13:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 acq@videotron.ca writes: What about C-QUAM on LW 153-279 kHz ? There is less fading on LW than on MW. As far as fadings are concerned, is= =20 it true that 3rd generation Motorola decoders are dealing better with=20 platform motion than 1st generation ones or is it a myth ? Regards, Bogdan =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Wed May 16 14:23:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82390 invoked from network); 16 May 2012 21:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2012 21:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2012 21:23:10 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D772E37447 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:23:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FB41ABE.3060401@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:23:10 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: Motorola C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=TJKoortg8_If0eLa4rVvlqiV6HVjfw_Hv5mcv9lSFTh8_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >It would be interesting to see what might happen someday if >someone can develop a C-Quam decoder using DSP. They >might be able to compensate for platform motion if they used >DSP. I still think the way to mostly solve the problem is for >all broadcasters to be on exactly the same frequency, then no >more or very little platform motion. >73 - Todd WD4NGG C-QuAM, being an envelope based system and an envelope detector being a non-linear device, things get complicated real quick math wise when an interfering signal distorts the envelope in a non-linear fashion. You would need some way to isolate the interfering signal and its sidebands and reverse the mathematical effects upon the envelope of the desired signal. Once that has been accomplished then the PLL mis-tracking can be addressed which can be as easy as having a fast/slow PLL loop filter. Fast during the locking process and slow after lock filtering out the co-channel mis-tracking effects. The slower the better the filtering for co-channel signals closest the the carrier frequency. For a synchronous based systems the PLL issue is the only problem that needs to be corrected but for envelope based systems this is a very complex issue, pun intended ;-). I think we're screwed for now. Enveloped based systems and the effects that interference has on the signal distortion wise is nearly impossible to eliminate without some very intense algorithms. At the analog level this is really impossible and at the digital level it wouldn't be easy to implement unless there was some neat trick that would do an end run around the problem. Making an envelope based system perform as well as a synchronous base system is a very steep hill to climb. Having transmitters on the same frequency would eliminate platform motion but it doesn't address the effect the interfering signal has on the envelope of the signal and the distortion it causes. From a physical position perspective for reception there will be times when the carrier and the interference is 180° put of phase and the amount of the carrier nulling of the signal would be directly proportional the the level of interference. Vice-versa for fully in phase, then you would have a perfect non-distorted mix of the 2 signals if they were both mono. Unfortunately for C-QuAM the carrier level is an integral part of the signal's pre-distorted sidebands and any change in its level will create more distortion during the distortion correction decoding process. Exchange 'correction' for 'addition' although it's more of a exponential increase when the S/N ratio drops below 20db. I realize that C-QuAM is the chosen system mainly in the US, Australia and Japan and this will probably not change although I wish it would but for other countries who are not completely dedicated to C-QuAM choosing a linear, synchronously detected based system be it QuAM or ISB would be a far better choice. Europe if not heavily invested in C-QuAM yet would be a good candidate for this. You get simplified receiver design, superior signal detection integrity, and spillover to adjacent channels no greater than that of a mono signal. These were the big selling points for the Harris system and its near FM quality sound during minimal interference and during higher levels of interference 'showed major strength without distortion' as one person put it. A lot of our reception problems could be solved by switching to a inear, synchronously detected based system. In decoders there's really not a lot of signal quality difference between the systems if the signal is not mathematically decoded correctly. Some of the 4-Way Systems performed very acceptable, SONY with their phase modulated based decoder and Sansui with their synchronous based system are both excellent performers. Keeping the pilot at 25Hz I doubt that anyone would really notice if transmission mode switched from C-QuAM to QuAM especially if the interference is more that the average background noise which is pretty common these days. JSG From bossmsx@yahoo.com Wed May 16 14:43:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34573 invoked from network); 16 May 2012 21:43:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2012 21:43:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.122) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2012 21:43:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 21:43:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2012 21:43:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:43:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.84.102.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.84.102.59 From: "bossmsx" Subject: Sanyo MW-250 AM Stereo Boombox. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170289152; y=auVKsDWyZtT982dTA7-Brm0NqweOj-N0NH5T_8L6Cm2eng X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Price down to $125. Shipping is included. Any takers?? Tony/Miami From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu May 17 03:43:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 528 invoked from network); 17 May 2012 10:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2012 10:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f179.google.com) (209.85.213.179) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2012 10:43:20 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f179.google.com with SMTP id r13so1590856yen.10 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 03:43:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.109.229 with SMTP id s65mr7559597yhg.10.1337251400592; Thu, 17 May 2012 03:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q44sm22324015yhg.3.2012.05.17.03.43.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 May 2012 03:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 06:43:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1337181448.56266.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1337181448.56266.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Dmiu2pNaYK0X4ZseDnY8E8Y3zhBReET2N8Dp9WewdeRf4CLyx9k-hPvtrfHxBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 16, 2012, at 11:17 AM, John wrote: > What's the story on this guy? FCC okay? The problem with theses Foreign No-Name Transmitters is Support. The Typical AM Radio Station keeps a Main Transmitter on the air for 20 Years, then uses it as an Aux Transmitter for another 20 Years. Fat Chance of getting even Warranty Support out of this outfit, much less Long-Term Parts and Tech Support. You are so much better off getting a Transmitter from Nautel who has a Reputation for Long-Term Support. In Fact, they still support every single Transmitter they have ever made! They are made to be easy to install an External C-QUAM, DRM, or HD Exciter and have a GOOD Transmitter for Years to come. If you just HAVE to have a Transmitter with C-QUAM Built-In, BE also makes a Great Transmitter that you can get with Built-In AM Stereo as an Option. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 18 10:57:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26774 invoked from network); 18 May 2012 17:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2012 17:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2012 17:57:07 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120518125641100347100011> for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:56:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4FB68D52.9080805@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:56:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:56:41 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1337015757.97634.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1337063304.74338.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <784805A1734F430880FB3704ABDF0B90@MirelaPC> In-Reply-To: <784805A1734F430880FB3704ABDF0B90@MirelaPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120518-0, 05/18/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-A100 AM dial calibration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=XQeei0Ozz8ApG1qzDPcn7DpSNB_kf2ouTouU59ItZE-_23u44lTL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/15/2012 4:13 PM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > What about C-QUAM on LW 153-279 kHz ? > > There is less fading on LW than on MW. No reason it wouldn't work. I think it had more to do with the parts of the world which adopted AM stereo were the same ones which didn't use LW. Scott From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 18 11:24:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48388 invoked from network); 18 May 2012 18:23:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2012 18:23:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-00.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2012 18:23:58 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120518132352102645700011> for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:23:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4FB693B2.1030708@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:23:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:23:52 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1337181448.56266.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1337181448.56266.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120518-0, 05/18/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=3zB_idGFDd45-6wrqzVyjgan2Rh7oBVR0Htde3viWkwY62UPSbb4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/16/2012 10:17 AM, John wrote: > What's the story on this guy? FCC okay? > > http://hidakabroadcast.co.id/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=43 > > That would be interesting to find out. But gotta wonder about this spec.: * Carrier Frequency Stability : Within +/- 2Khz Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 18 11:37:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74339 invoked from network); 18 May 2012 18:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2012 18:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2012 18:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120518133740100671900011> for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:37:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4FB696ED.4090501@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:37:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:37:40 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1337181448.56266.YahooMailClassic@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4FB693B2.1030708@usfamily.net> In-Reply-To: <4FB693B2.1030708@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120518-0, 05/18/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=rnn5RJfWArX3MMERc092D9pteFqjo_p4ZcD8aBsBfPq331cQouee X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/18/2012 1:24 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > That would be interesting to find out. But gotta wonder about this spec.: > > * Carrier Frequency Stability : Within +/- 2Khz > And THESE specs.: 6. POWER OUTPUT (AM Transmitter Models) Descriptions : *AM-500C ( 500 Watt, Stereo CQUAM), 0% Modulation *AM-1C ( 1000 Watt, Stereo CQUAM), 0% Modulation *AM-2.5C ( 2200 Watt, Stereo CQUAM), 0% Modulation *AM-5C ( 4800 Watt, Stereo CQUAM), 0% Modulation A 5kW transmitter should be able to easily put out 5400W carrier only especially if you have a directional station. The FCC allows extra for loss in the phasing and extra tuning components. Possum is right, I wouldn't trust these things. Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri May 18 11:38:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48834 invoked from network); 18 May 2012 18:38:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2012 18:38:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2012 18:38:22 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4IIcG0k020464 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 14:38:16 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.9]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D4FF7E00008D for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 14:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ebc9.ddd2ee5.3ce7f117@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 14:38:15 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:371891456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4fb69717728c X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=v-AI6SF19iVn-o_POok1YHDYRNQ3pBkBMQk2IY30Zhnx80ThFJfD X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 5/18/2012 2:24:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: On 5/16/2012 10:17 AM, John wrote: > What's the story on this guy? FCC okay? > > http://hidakabroadcast.co.id/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=43 > > That would be interesting to find out. But gotta wonder about this spec.: * Carrier Frequency Stability : Within +/- 2Khz Scott Todd Looks like some kind of private company located in Indonesia is the maker of this AM Stereo transmitter. The frequency stability specs must be a misprint. More likely it is +/- 2Hz. That is the only thing that makes sense. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon May 21 00:36:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77045 invoked from network); 21 May 2012 07:35:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2012 07:35:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.207) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 07:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2012 07:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2012 07:35:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:35:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FB696ED.4090501@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.52.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.233 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=fGAjSW_5oKcCl_mHhajmnjRSPnllFjniEmFmULHdIke5DckM0g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 5/18/2012 1:24 PM, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 > > That would be interesting to find out. But gotta wonder about this spec= .: > > > > * Carrier Frequency Stability : Within +/- 2Khz > > >=20 > And THESE specs.: >=20 > 6. POWER OUTPUT (AM Transmitter Models) > Descriptions : > *AM-500C ( 500 Watt, Stereo CQUAM), 0% Modulation > *AM-1C ( 1000 Watt, Stereo CQUAM), 0% Modulation > *AM-2.5C ( 2200 Watt, Stereo CQUAM), 0% Modulation > *AM-5C ( 4800 Watt, Stereo CQUAM), 0% Modulation >=20 > A 5kW transmitter should be able to easily put out 5400W carrier only=20 > especially if you have a directional station. The FCC allows extra for=20 > loss in the phasing and extra tuning components. Possum is right, I=20 > wouldn't trust these things. >=20 > Scott Todd > Hi, Scott!!! Just curious... Can the typical "modern" AM MW TX (PDM) be used with an out= put power less than the nominal power without audible problems? I mean, If a have a nominal 2500 watts output power TX, Can I use it to get= just 1000 watts output power without any audible problem? ??? BTW, all of you knows that I'm not a college engineer, so... I have a lot o= f "holes" in my very limited electronical knowledge. But I want to learn, s= o... excuse my ignorance but... According to a Wikipedia article (Voltage = Divider), and if I well understood the "theory", I need two resistors (one = of 2 ohms and other of 1 ohms) to convert a 9 volts input into a 6 volts ou= tput. If this is right... Where can I get a 1 ohm resistor? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon May 21 03:18:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57474 invoked from network); 21 May 2012 10:18:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2012 10:18:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gg0-f169.google.com) (209.85.161.169) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 10:18:07 -0000 X-Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so5015635ggm.0 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 03:18:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.146.1 with SMTP id q1mr22427123yhj.33.1337595485945; Mon, 21 May 2012 03:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v16sm32424471anh.22.2012.05.21.03.18.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 May 2012 03:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 06:18:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=bHXGvKhw-zgGZT60xpoMUKbnqwrX6ONxafdxDokTfMo2mYDMrGhKZUSBlQk42w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 21, 2012, at 3:35 AM, Jota wrote: > Just curious... Can the typical "modern" AM MW TX (PDM) be used with an output power less than the nominal power without audible problems? > > I mean, If a have a nominal 2500 watts output power TX, Can I use it to get just 1000 watts output power without any audible problem? ??? When PDM Transmitters are operated at less then designed power, they have more Audio Distortion. > Where can I get a 1 ohm resistor? ??? I get most of my Electronics Parts here: http://www.rfparts.com/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 21 07:35:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79296 invoked from network); 21 May 2012 14:35:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2012 14:35:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm36-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.238.141) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 14:35:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2012 14:35:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.197] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2012 14:35:44 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2012 14:35:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 357386.42629.bm@omp1006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 51934 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2012 14:35:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gOCsj48VM1mc8SdLnt7BA3ync8to2e1eMR9h8xtJlrHIrw2 pysnZcHsrWqIJz0KFxopgPZZvjsA8FHqhSpXp5Z3oVDH.CjesD.Pq6_s86IA vsCHDGQ1XLbmxov50XVMU3ZakC_0lYVRsdNHwc8GbE_JOYRdRgX80Xb11LS2 WFZ9TaD0ORw3f73yaL6a9IvKCfvDubsjVJ4ClNV21i.syHeVf2FwmCx3om07 QiwQxhoKZcCr8oLmXQV0tvV0_mVoEdzVZmlUpa2ikVxwNjpPz9VjgXXUVoRE iZEqTf.ih5mZw9wmBThADhOVbFq9lMFuDv_O00BLDwpNlPEdkDbjgClhwxQY RYwFbz5UL9fpJ1zB.kqt8gMGGmhogCVWc5UA25ZwNwZtXWCnCDdUGCpKiWTC oU1p74VczNyOAtBNxypC0z8yvPFPmocrowSSx1Y8KEdZS_._dpMwJY8_lY8d fZ8Nn5d6a3qOHW3RShsXbbPku1gxDq7uOSq8- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:35:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337610943.51739.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:35:43 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 72.30.238.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: Kenwood KRC-939 AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Jjd4mcEfW7Y7a69pDXdbI0TRAmhdZ-qv8wz2R_WKi32W-dZCQqZpk1o X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Didn't the old Kenwood KRC-939 car radio have AM stereo in it? What chipset= did it use? =A0 John =A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon May 21 07:46:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3474 invoked from network); 21 May 2012 14:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2012 14:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gg0-f169.google.com) (209.85.161.169) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 14:46:33 -0000 X-Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so5325386ggm.0 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:46:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.78.2 with SMTP id f2mr22483845yhe.118.1337611592984; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i16sm33610515anm.12.2012.05.21.07.46.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 May 2012 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:46:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1337610943.51739.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1337610943.51739.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3699A01B-D748-4AF2-B71B-5478DE476F9E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kenwood KRC-939 AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Dnsf4ayAuYLGB2OnljzBK9E4dZieDNC7-REUN_x5yubOHPOOIAGgntbeKJHzuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 21, 2012, at 10:35 AM, John wrote: > Didn't the old Kenwood KRC-939 car radio have AM stereo in it? Yes, it was a Multi System radio that switched system by the Pilot Tone, but sounded best on the Kahn System. > What chipset did it use? Don't remember... It went out of Production in 1987. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon May 21 08:41:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80305 invoked from network); 21 May 2012 15:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2012 15:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-02.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 15:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120521104100101245400010> for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 10:41:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4FBA6201.4020103@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:40:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:41:00 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120521-0, 05/21/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=_ZzDRBqAAs8u1dWARLwObPhoFlJCoasVVbvyjwHOpmCmlw84Ff-i X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/21/2012 5:18 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On May 21, 2012, at 3:35 AM, Jota wrote: > > > Just curious... Can the typical "modern" AM MW TX (PDM) be used with > an output power less than the nominal power without audible problems? > > > > I mean, If a have a nominal 2500 watts output power TX, Can I use it > to get just 1000 watts output power without any audible problem? ??? > > When PDM Transmitters are operated at less then designed power, they > have more Audio Distortion. Yes, but I think Juan could run that 2.2kW at 1kW without much distortion. It would be if you're dialing it way down that it would be a problem. I remember the Gates-5 at KYCR. Ran 3800 days and 240 nights, and it sounded pretty good even at that low level. Had they been running music instead of talk perhaps my opinion would be different. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon May 21 09:02:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90831 invoked from network); 21 May 2012 16:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2012 16:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qc0-f179.google.com) (209.85.216.179) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 16:02:52 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id a6so3751253qch.38 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:02:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.194.1 with SMTP id dw1mr38980671qab.87.1337616171722; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ej8sm39704793qab.15.2012.05.21.09.02.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 May 2012 09:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:02:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4FBA6201.4020103@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4FBA6201.4020103@usfamily.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=tgp9SOBI4alx3hPINT0W0uwjcWD2oqSgXyy8ZH65VPYrcfOGPrgKhokW6cQu4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 21, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Scott Todd wrote: > I remember the Gates-5 at KYCR. Ran 3800 days and 240 > nights, and it sounded pretty good even at that low level. Had they > been running music instead of talk perhaps my opinion would be different. The Gates 5 at WQIZ gets that "Gates Fuzz" Sound at the 500 Watt Pre-Sunrise, but really gets Nasty Sounding at the Flea Power Post Sunset Power, so we don't use it. WGY wipes out the signal in the COL anyway... The Nautel XR-6 at WLTQ plugs along very Happy at 5 KW in the Day but does Fuzz up a tad on the 100 Watt Night Power. The Armstrong X-1000B at WCKI does not sound great at Day Power but gets Nasty on the 96 Watt Night Power. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 21 maj 2012 18:02 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 On May 21, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Scott Todd wrote: > I remember the Gates-5 at KYCR. Ran 3800 days and 240=20 > nights, and it sounded pretty good even at that low level. Had they=20 > been running music instead of talk perhaps my opinion would be different. The Gates 5 at WQIZ gets that "Gates Fuzz" Sound at the 500 Watt Pre-Sunris= e, but really gets Nasty Sounding at the Flea Power Post Sunset Power, so w= e don't use it. WGY wipes out the signal in the COL anyway... The Nautel XR-6 at WLTQ plugs along very Happy at 5 KW in the Day but does = Fuzz up a tad on the 100 Watt Night Power. The Armstrong X-1000B at WCKI does not sound great at Day Power but gets Na= sty on the 96 Watt Night Power. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue May 22 02:33:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13205 invoked from network); 22 May 2012 09:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2012 09:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.180) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2012 09:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 09:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.85] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 09:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 09:33:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 543566.13200.bm@omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93894 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2012 09:33:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Obn.OpAVM1m4cQ3mibAlEEadRPl3mlepAb8kFQgF8KeEW2i BKs2ZvG8HhjWcFNbd1_uxL07nBTseoJavYf5WqczPGJTpEIdcYfn2GLqRmlF 5ylQJhGcRY76Y3rnnIUSJM9J3vuVB6TGxSa4aY20Q0l.T79Ns9qVjmprPbF5 pGw21G.hE6E3O_QKA1XQK7QFVfG0lZDetEFrfjOlsuLi5D.4n9oRaXwxXCZ. 2SUBAKL7LEqOLiqp1B2KJW04g8dTJAtURG9h68GQmLveweOFyQtlEADwVXAz T8OepyfMU.2J3Zc.UbpO6BavtUfUmdmiXgDfdgq6oSlEQ8DOahV0.wpADowu 2QILRPf0Y6winPsTmgaLuxKOcbkjHUpKrD7Sq8j4UJ4VOuNwrjUBdfg18z1a QNZoR7TzFxG6V1gLr1DSVgbW4nDcrWSloCr5mugw3snteELjnyVrfSNv.R7E iKmEEOrbx5JQSHuYHGvssL7rldvkQZKIiZJ.3d.903OwWoqS2PbTn73XfzfR dWVS9MBozsXx2ad3WXKk1zxhG0T7KuA_GlMQzf3LFIhPw3GFTef.lJ5mO3zx axSVGkDWTlye6aNnX5CkdHagIGc8EWbFgR3CDev4piABqwCmXk2sKEwW24Q6 es0ty2MvghLhlH_faMNfLMC54ty8O6.aAwt2QqlfPXWrJ0u9CgwlYLhY1NIF PFhL3vleiUzeMSHTTYFT7F6w3qjQwJA1a6z37_HrtL.KnbHu6ZXObfVNIPJk omemy7Raxa2WelqYt8AYCIdnO7moXFaul7hvFVDcFlyhgsVovbWnj2KLg_Oq s1TBa7o0nMB4uzNdcnUdvBwZBqGYoherfVWj6I8OmoTvyxXYMEpF1inLSww2 8W8BJV_gdIGkpgl6Ms7ZziW7NhZX7eDeA_SnyE_345ari2E0zebvEGkMgQ3S Q.gThLr02r.TpdkUFWqYEqPC6EPrdiLFm0dVTU_NhRFRV72eMOOoBwoCSIA2 5i3FgrzGJzVeE1Hbgz5QOdIa1NV1n7KmnBGzPdCtWtofbeiiAq51VrmA2.rJ rEOqt61SxdKBZxikph7OppeqjDlZ4dhW48wht7PA.q9PWGiRHu5fbY.0PCPU qtDzmNSS1909nLg.sFNsKR1lgg4zoZeckrKZx0LvJ_hnOJGz3TqtSxDQEOlw mYu0OoxHRGocCzA.6EDKwp85XbYCspgMp8gV6x.jiuRszYJg4_crCJsixPlT Zs3lY7bufiVP7hk6i08fVy8bkdAmvVf368k_zb.NNbLvh9oIVeljy6x9lcYV nLJ7W5hdM0FB6_l2V_mUKKXn7ADV51voqf6eNdlG8LXJM.sKL0efTp0uV93G NLIlDd3V7AsGMGDoZEve4P_SaAtqfbA1Kfx0FRDJG.zacYaf0ITrasr62sG_ suKc9y6I2HIaxVdt4l_z5wvhssTeX6NBMutg2QH.lw_yfdVlihuu4nXwJGOo DrSYqe83DDoTopJC5jmxn4a7Vt.lpT_jSY.BOXi22AiBLFuNsoY5vAmjMIf6 u89ZXPSYcBf8tR1Wbb05kwzFhoVn9qkHLYiCuCL7HJN31R1jmvgJ85zYrb4o shU5a0ozj8oXgZr.aWoiIkSpJf.flX9aR2eunmV1oVVRuV1yitVceOd4nUTw w5Hnl3znhmTLYd.Z0bThE0zbP8LlXoHtChq3YNyf2_yvCA6N.KxrQhuOes0J TYxGeMJh2El.ZopUv2iXjVaX3gyx.TtwgA0PwjvVbHivrwKtLx1KpkbXSOzY tLpPhhSsCcRMGvyDoZZSHaxBOpcvNqJWBHXIXhUMgmsTUnILnhoYYtg_.Ng2 ikOZYalw.lhltqoC.vHxQlUyUVHiiIYakJszrVp7p8AjEKKzzMTW_4Sm8koz _gIJfICQThr7kcInoNCws3jJFizCCQ.3XyDYGxiYUYaKFItLjuyUaX3EyiSt 0 X-Received: from [75.18.51.208] by web83805.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 02:33:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337679201.87720.YahooMailClassic@web83805.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 02:33:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: <1337673798.35495.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.44.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=s2Pi80TMKebmEVeC6jaTWDiva0G6hEzM40zso6G60Wv1mlTQx3upPws_NqPWjCzD_hmiAejG X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roy Jeff Deck makes them. His site is http://www.meduci.com .=C2=A0 I do= n"t know if Chris Cuff is going to start makeing his again or not. Jim Smit= h=C2=A0--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Roy Sandgren wrote: From: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 1:03 AM =C2=A0=20 Hi, where to find a massproduction of=C2=A0 AMS decoders??? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 21 maj 2012 18:02 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? =C2=A0=20 On May 21, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Scott Todd wrote: > I remember the Gates-5 at KYCR. Ran 3800 days and 240=20 > nights, and it sounded pretty good even at that low level. Had they=20 > been running music instead of talk perhaps my opinion would be different. The Gates 5 at WQIZ gets that "Gates Fuzz" Sound at the 500 Watt Pre-Sunris= e, but really gets Nasty Sounding at the Flea Power Post Sunset Power, so w= e don't use it. WGY wipes out the signal in the COL anyway... The Nautel XR-6 at WLTQ plugs along very Happy at 5 KW in the Day but does = Fuzz up a tad on the 100 Watt Night Power. The Armstrong X-1000B at WCKI does not sound great at Day Power but gets Na= sty on the 96 Watt Night Power. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue May 22 03:14:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28135 invoked from network); 22 May 2012 10:14:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2012 10:14:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.213.170) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2012 10:14:01 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f170.google.com with SMTP id m2so10224198yen.1 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 03:14:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.195.68 with SMTP id o44mr22918659yhn.66.1337681641193; Tue, 22 May 2012 03:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i67sm73174829yhh.21.2012.05.22.03.13.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 May 2012 03:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 06:13:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1337673798.35495.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4FBA6201.4020103@usfamily.net> <1337673798.35495.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <817D801D-95D2-4B04-8206-2019F3A737EB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Lrzp1vZwwMqibT7Yc8EXcreX1fmTYVF-RCHuA6-W5APTYStNYsPp0V8jlRWx8A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 22, 2012, at 4:03 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi, where to find a massproduction of AMS decoders??? I know SONY still makes them for the Japan Market, so they are out there. Also most HD-Radio Chipsets also decode C-QUAM AM Stereo. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Tue May 22 10:45:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47280 invoked from network); 22 May 2012 17:44:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2012 17:44:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2012 17:44:59 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CD037447 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:44:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FBBD094.4030606@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:44:52 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=ZY8R4bPSWWKC5AzvhKy-FXwOGnl0nWLeIHTrLhk_F7AICQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >Hi, where to find a mass production of AMS decoders??? >Bests from >Roy Sandgren >HASDA-EUROPE >AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Mass production decoders? I don't know if they exist, that is in the 1000's. There is the DQAM unit for 35 from www.ASPiSYS,com and they may qualify as the closest to mass production. The board looks factory made. They also make the ASMAX1 digital AMS transmitter. They are in Greece so this may be a good source for decoders in Europe. In the US, Jeff of www.Meduci.com has one for 25 but I don't know if Chris is making them at the moment. I have made a few of them, one with the 13020 and one with the 13028 and both of the boards have gone through a couple of revisions and my vision for them is still evolving. Wanting to focus on decoders with the 13028 instead of 13020 as I have in the past I went looking for a source for the 13028 but I didn't find any in the US. According to several chip broker sites there seems to be plenty of them in Asia. I think you would need to order more than a small quantity though. How to order from them and not get scammed is a concern, as a few have reported. Jeff or Chris, is there still a source for the 13028, DIP and/or SMD, in the US? JSG From radio774@yahoo.se Tue May 22 12:31:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51800 invoked from network); 22 May 2012 19:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2012 19:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.69) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2012 19:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.48] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 19:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.115] by tm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 19:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 19:31:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 761848.57783.bm@omp1024.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 8599 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2012 19:31:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uK2e9mcVM1mJuqOBqUR9a6mBfJ6UdzgJ8VVOBZ4GcYDkumo MdL9.4CE84IOc1qKd5RTKwg73y7yJFu0UgyrZSgjaLCjJcgpeZkdB1RlzPWh dGTub8ZkKly_Z8kxtreDtkI6A3uui7S8_o4XxRocoelpK2bfMPZ7zldb4sxp H96yLdJMevR_onouK2ZYsloR3NKepL17Ck.WFwgzDZCZ1Y.ESu2tXx6ERnHm xeqEOh6ikVZ7ZoQjnghUH9qLrywnP.G3dD2KFMWMTHnEqXencBanNL_Pj_FK 1GhRDn_FrsyX3mpn3yNCrdEc_Sd03c9qv17JthnFT_eOXEygOStV3Sj5E4oS 6KtT6o0pblIrHbdNPKThsQsVPQ4VFaUiuTiPGNHU3VwduGijlQ8sHg91hHI1 A9Bwud8d9Hrg.3r8VO.8MdxIy39AevD7985JPnZhi3VEelbpC7IwqouTBz9. api0hez7LUNiBVGCKvl2uAj0rySe.C525dcZlThZOLePKRnXD6yiUnfFBvAv xsnecs9FmgeQJ_9hf4gaAg2TkZhVmu54i61DYQ9GQ4zMIrCUl39sw5fYroq5 DVHGqcug2GJbWpSQnQXT_WCAg6r4nA_DjSQys57S4sNIxOKrzhWVHsMvgK2V tOblCB_lvMF1agvDRm878RiMQDtsLmgIACKv2eHlWlx3YCcfmCs.93le0fnD FKAW7FkBr4C6nym9hEvFKYMQkxDRXrxjcbbRzD.mFp5iSWB3H8zfYY3ZIexX 60jYezb9..vkT0VPM1eN7hiBZKYOBb_0CQ35rETQB8XACfrTE8rvNrJeCg09 J7n.cDVczQ3D0F2WXeeMhQ2MCsiOrVEB1I9mnxtpTzE2k5BG6lLqHdo1OuT0 TLKnJiwCKCIWJo7XBBIVijE_UpktZV.QjN07D7eBnXWfFWu81OVh7wA_DcPz ZYh7cogRgQGnWENgVp1dSiuVWGcndgeWeMwdt7dNerD0RiZxPyo9pVXV422S 9OWZIJK4IbVuSyEhnhfCkfQgodfNn4fUmWHzDhd3Z16cKxmIrAftXpjBIGPR wREDvDlr7fWFEKxBmN2Xs.t76oZ15zG3X2oN9VrI7piZedTFYkaLTKxP124c AIYuE7S_Jj_joOgrWaf2IbpyrC7wDVCRgIuXsnFURMAu5bIUIu6l0Bv.PFLI Wqtrqy.djWA6tcGFWwe0AIuCfYwNY9IvKnSSJA0GMfD.5W2T.YJszyki1XU0 bswFJsM3go0uWFd4gBd_MbqCqcBG10V0xTziIBAQwoOQ2g7cHw3p.yNLI7sv _CXyl7SqC72zBJCOzSBkQwpA0Ro2PVR8ceq61g3E3F7f6LUaPqJDrgTNWnus epDlI0AcSbZ6SdzPlK.KUnzZrxEI3tH5wqUtCg2nd80UTXHNbIgpqEA.rHVT TqJoBFnvp_bUJeIw7az5j5WU3uUNbuRDb49Nocgl73AqIEhGwuMLhjcrv_8b I6hV3uhJMqUDPkxwXL5RKRv_lZrWzNCHPSm_lpEZmXM1KcjrWVq7_nJ1UKMF KTKmHw0k6l0IxGHrYkxUQnmdtGvhPRIUYWYc8WE.73xyvO6FmVmsArMzpa4l K7ue5NXgIjBOOJGk9aZqNUlQ5hyY7YYb6M3JizUy67b.kZmbYuNvDie3FYnt unA_S11dieXXVDXe4tjApSMOdoD8T9hxCERddCp6_xm7oHJ6WIOwh6T2rdu4 qrI5ULyb4C2qZkYYc9DKGQIvXNQBTEw_tXuJjDwZiuNQlkKZuvqGAdgvNGXK vrtTH0vy1D7eiUaCDdyyUkEU4dK4u5BKtTaHge4aTsjaVKDv0.iQq7r4jjo1 Q1kHQ7xnC0VMHbKzIjg-- X-Received: from [46.195.158.13] by web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 20:31:22 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FBBD094.4030606@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Message-ID: <1337715082.7279.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:31:22 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <4FBBD094.4030606@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=ArSw8_VTF3nK4xhkOWbX6t28NZU76PmItVvxea5CWvSCd1s X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, now i got a contact in Asia. Massproduction is possible of tuners with AMS= =C2=A0 522 - 1710 KHz,9kHz raster and 15 kHz audio. can get a licence in Sw= eden for 100mW - 20 watts AMS experimental, Planned is a 100mW demo tests a= nd recievers aviable in Asia, Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: AMS Admin Till: AM Stereo Forum =20 Skickat: tisdag, 22 maj 2012 19:44 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} AMS Decoders =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 >Hi, where to find a mass production of AMS decoders??? >Bests from >Roy Sandgren >HASDA-EUROPE >AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Mass production decoders? I don't know if they exist, that is in the=20 1000's. There is the DQAM unit for 35 from www.ASPiSYS,com and they may=20 qualify as the closest to mass production. The board looks factory made.=20 They also make the ASMAX1 digital AMS transmitter. They are in Greece=20 so this may be a good source for decoders in Europe. In the US, Jeff of=20 www.Meduci.com has one for 25 but I don't know if Chris is making them=20 at the moment. I have made a few of them, one with the 13020 and one with the 13028 and=20 both of the boards have gone through a couple of revisions and my vision=20 for them is still evolving. Wanting to focus on decoders with the 13028=20 instead of 13020 as I have in the past I went looking for a source for=20 the 13028 but I didn't find any in the US. According to several chip=20 broker sites there seems to be plenty of them in Asia. I think you would=20 need to order more than a small quantity though. How to order from them=20 and not get scammed is a concern, as a few have reported. Jeff or Chris,=20 is there still a source for the 13028, DIP and/or SMD, in the US? 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=q2vImTNqELM2zT9DlWK89yKCom-Cy3mndqczIP03IERgFLM X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, looks like i got some contacts of=C2=A0 CQUAM decoders in mass productions = id we order 2000 units AM fm stereo, 15 kHz audio in AMS. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: jim smith Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Kopia: jim dale smith =20 Skickat: tisdag, 22 maj 2012 11:33 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi Roy Jeff Deck makes them. His site is http://www.meduci.com .=C2=A0 I do= n"t know if Chris Cuff is going to start makeing his again or not. Jim Smit= h=C2=A0--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Roy Sandgren wrote: From: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 1:03 AM =C2=A0=20 Hi, where to find a massproduction of=C2=A0 AMS decoders??? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 21 maj 2012 18:02 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? =C2=A0=20 On May 21, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Scott Todd wrote: > I remember the Gates-5 at KYCR. Ran 3800 days and 240=20 > nights, and it sounded pretty good even at that low level. Had they=20 > been running music instead of talk perhaps my opinion would be different. The Gates 5 at WQIZ gets that "Gates Fuzz" Sound at the 500 Watt Pre-Sunris= e, but really gets Nasty Sounding at the Flea Power Post Sunset Power, so w= e don't use it. WGY wipes out the signal in the COL anyway... The Nautel XR-6 at WLTQ plugs along very Happy at 5 KW in the Day but does = Fuzz up a tad on the 100 Watt Night Power. The Armstrong X-1000B at WCKI does not sound great at Day Power but gets Na= sty on the 96 Watt Night Power. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Tue May 22 13:33:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 995 invoked from network); 22 May 2012 20:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2012 20:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.220) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2012 20:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W38 ([65.54.190.200]) by bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 22 May 2012 13:30:40 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:30:39 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1337715082.7279.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <4FBBD094.4030606@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com>,<1337715082.7279.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2012 20:30:40.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0C122A0:01CD3859] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: SV: {AMSF} AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=EEdLmC8HlbBiXa7x5_UcWhYXCcUS5iEoAUmyMtuwLjnfXx2bRDh1xfXW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, I don't make decoders any longer- I sold off my IC's and 3.60 resonators to Jeff several years ago. I decided to stay with just the small transmitters due to time constraints. Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: radio774@yahoo.se Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:31:22 +0100 Subj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Tue May 22 13:53:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10901 invoked from network); 22 May 2012 20:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2012 20:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21-vm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (212.82.108.206) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2012 20:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm21.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 20:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.118] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 20:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 20:52:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 103344.74316.bm@omp1027.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 4295 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2012 20:52:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: F3Q6JfIVM1k8eIOsOaFo_WATRKhdeTGgX1e5nES99hGYEm0 FdbS8w00RDwFudoXiYXPzu8knPq9MKVQ3mgoRcm2a_BV4WHNjmFtl_gavt_j uS7G76lk5PRecbUSxMq6ZS4fLRFHLw0zci.N2_cHrzIum37VJOMXJHS5ulIJ 353GAUQXADP13hpMinHnaz1BuSyo3rihItZu2LFYGEgLfYIN_nwgW6R2JYKz wGRM8EtfOp.pS1u53wBvEe.ihFKcWZJwAMMoGldjYrJ_IU3hIMWbcYyKSkNq 9p.E.trS9wD3lwp3udNmhiOCmCrKmOvqbUQBaamI3Li7EmzHX6UrNk5A8aGz xj.bPWKxXItChHXlgdNgVYTbjCdu4enDEX04Ug52RksNUh5LmZpf8Uowfj2J .rEQf4NmD1EgeSxRf6_q0xkYC49t6e_edffg14lSodzySdBsyyjFcFrbxw2O VbZ7VpeZljcN3Pt_cpn9olm6zJnkgAPwg2LswdDqwvjCBrRtXvgpiJ9RplJi iH.n_MPeuyDjRE.J4Vgo6ENLAKUhZ6Jvto0DYQ5gRSUH34hJsSMVsngOFjd2 xkFqHYeyUEq.hg8sNnjqiiiLfjTE9xcD1u9OlSTcpatpCJ_jCnIfon_4xStC .xO8ERr5D2_WJ7NZoGBnoBpajcDupjEGwHo1VpCBRwv9G74vIoHo0VXEZMSP 7C88lwMozM5g31eYJ.EmPX8Fs9EkvpuzHMpL8oR0netRsZ4kRF0Hc4DmzcOD dACMCHFeJJJChB2tTW9u3l8DwQ8P1b2d8xgUl827vD3B2rihkTOVgZW6cwDE tvXfp96ChBKLvuj.j8aEvYfEJfFBh0tDns5uvxahJ.tSmCUbxTd29FA8TcJP AMf1.qzOC1yG3BGn6AwG001c4i03eCnpWUeATuLOS1ZgQkIpQjbdLyKxH3J_ N2iNF5XMa1BTULj93aj9U2T.MUMrCO_vEx7Zr.3KmKV3BX2YlKBDuXeAU30U uBKWbGzON2ZOmzBz_EZAjySREPbwyd3ygMDH4hpgeIJ58vdAje17LRNKDDEv uHHit4_EdfJMEoDn7z8hYLDKTeOgVjk7GzZBgHZYKOczZ6QqisWOpoy7wlNc IIgpR1cI38ugWzLK09FcMMCwl_1v7UY.1rABXanXikaGbh1_vD468lVXYqqq _7WDjEagLIZF6NBiU2Hg7dza67cH3ucawOBZufkwPsYD4qDeA3vHMtsqEa5s 0Y.L3UA1zu2_hot7pLW3KsX5UeTJdXF2l8zXwkw5BJr4BoeDmTQmbfc2EJHC IS4nz7U4OoHn.GaBwiS0NctqH4gbMZYsllImVFvr1pQGvs3iwkyLbT7izbCH CWPR9x6kg3ph6htVk4BlaxB4Wv5crN4wFeDpzRZ4sM5yoJd_8iAjb.qnba8K L7Va3eLUWDROAMJbE3Pc896365O2oqdRXErx2ScH_cbMBj2nW6S1EbvJa2d8 7BQFUUUqXYQXWEdT9x2iYy9WYeS9f2epCdvuZdrjA5_NptA8GNyuXGH2qMPR NC0Q6lo4nBRO9hOAajgqtENXv9d7i15W64gNGbuebSTfBhPELbx6FC5EJxGX LUFX39DJYhVr0uGtd._s.POlWW2ub7I1OHVONkA76BlqTywtpzGutdTC.Rvf Kv1W69e4voVYTKX5fGW15dBTIS8cyuSLR1D1GUoojaWGHwIpS3n5zlh3Y2C3 YExi6oyKj6peg6OxDGbl_bQp7DEJKfF1ysc3EfWuMiA-- X-Received: from [46.195.186.100] by web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:52:57 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FBBD094.4030606@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com>,<1337715082.7279.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1337719977.3668.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 21:52:57 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 212.82.108.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=NbJ6hzS04KMI0KQIJNnrBPxjL2K1yhu5ip3JhsuSBZSPaC0 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Chris, it's possibel to resume production of the IC from Asia. AMS is not dead, it= will have a little come back in the world. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Chris Cuff Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: tisdag, 22 maj 2012 22:30 =C3=84mne: RE: SV: {AMSF} AMS Decoders =20=20 =20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 No, I don't make decoders any longer- I sold off my IC's and 3.60 resonator= s to Jeff several years ago. I decided to stay with just the small transmit= ters due to time constraints. Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: radio774@yahoo.se Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:31:22 +0100 Subj=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Tue May 22 14:31:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80350 invoked from network); 22 May 2012 21:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2012 21:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s23.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.225) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2012 21:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W30 ([65.54.190.201]) by bay0-omc4-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 22 May 2012 14:28:04 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 17:28:04 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1337719977.3668.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <4FBBD094.4030606@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com>,<1337715082.7279.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> ,<1337719977.3668.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2012 21:28:04.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5E9CEF0:01CD3861] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: SV: SV: {AMSF} AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=LCGJDIdlrX-SpYVxa5qw14pGdC4nqWhohP_tVTuFdKg6fyb5op94OQhC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IC's are available- the part that is very hard to find is the 3.60mhz resonator. MuRata discontinued them back 10 years ago. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: radio774@yahoo.se Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 21:52:57 +0100 Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} AMS Decoders OK Chris, it's possibel to resume production of the IC from Asia. AMS is not dead, it will have a little come back in the world. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed May 23 10:13:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19571 invoked from network); 23 May 2012 17:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2012 17:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.213) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2012 17:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2012 17:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2012 17:13:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:13:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.232.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.232.63 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=w951atE7FxJ0htGRci8l42NjO2Ubdf0xKEqw-VGXMWs X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr We have manage to stock a huge lot of MC13028DW Ic's for our decoder boards= and some other upcoming project, and we ordered 6000pcs of 3.60MHz & 3.64M= Hz (for 455KHz IF) resonators from Murata 4 years ago to be able to support= the MC chips at any case...=20 So if someone decide to make a step forward to make real AMS radios he can = still order resonators from Murata, but minimum quantity is 2000pcs. For de= coder IC's we know where we can order brand new ones, not the stocked NOS p= arts you can find around in brokers, as the product line has been transferr= ed to another company in 2006.=20 So we are sure that if there is an interest, anyone can make AM Stereo CQUA= M radios in bulk orders.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote: > >=20 > The IC's are available- the part that is very hard to find is the 3.60mhz= resonator. MuRata discontinued them back 10 years ago.=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: radio774@... > Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 21:52:57 +0100 > Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} AMS Decoders >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > OK Chris, >=20 > it's possibel to resume production of the IC from Asia. AMS is not dead, = it will have a little come back in the world. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bests from >=20 > Roy Sandgren >=20 > HASDA-EUROPE >=20 > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed May 23 21:35:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 192 invoked from network); 24 May 2012 04:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2012 04:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.118) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2012 04:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2012 04:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2012 04:35:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 04:35:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.52.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.111 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=IzHdnOw9Z89f9ylxGMvGtjICzg5vnBleFShdL_jgFhrVQLVjVg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Kevin!!! Thanks a lot for your data!!! I have a very good problem here since my PC's HDD died (because I had to as= k my son's notebook to be here, when he can share it with me). SO... My ans= wers have a little... digital delay, Hahahahahah!!! Please, try to understa= nd me. When you talk about "audio distortion"... How much do you mean? If the "st= andard" AM TX audio distortion is around 1%, How much far away this value I= would get whith the power reduction? 2%? 3%? 5%? 10%? More? ??? BTW: About the voltage reduction equation, if I have a 7.5 V input and I wa= nt a final 6 V output (according to the Wikipedia equation), I need a 1 ohm= resistor in serie with the main line, and a 4 ohms resistor in a parallel = "derivated" arm of the reducing network (resistor to earth). Now, as it is = impossible to get any resistor less than 5 ohm, according to the equation, = I could use a 100 ohms resistor (in serie) and a 400 ohms resistor (in para= llel) to get a final 6 V output (mathematically speaking, it is the same re= lation between 4/(1+4) than 400/(100+400), or 4000/(1000+4000), etc.). Am I= right? or Wrong? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On May 21, 2012, at 3:35 AM, Jota wrote: >=20 > > Just curious... Can the typical "modern" AM MW TX (PDM) be used with an= output power less than the nominal power without audible problems? > >=20 > > I mean, If a have a nominal 2500 watts output power TX, Can I use it to= get just 1000 watts output power without any audible problem? ??? >=20 > When PDM Transmitters are operated at less then designed power, they have= more Audio Distortion. >=20 > > Where can I get a 1 ohm resistor? ??? >=20 > I get most of my Electronics Parts here: >=20 > http://www.rfparts.com/ >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu May 24 03:41:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94053 invoked from network); 24 May 2012 10:41:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2012 10:41:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gg0-f172.google.com) (209.85.161.172) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2012 10:41:33 -0000 X-Received: by ggnc4 with SMTP id c4so7290269ggn.3 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 03:41:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.75.164 with SMTP id z24mr34901458yhd.69.1337856092776; Thu, 24 May 2012 03:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q32sm46388923anh.21.2012.05.24.03.41.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 24 May 2012 03:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 06:41:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <587D743D-5A84-4CCA-B985-B9D12B5BF7A6@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=kxo6C6CD_EluZ86dPZtbXeiAcS0fcz39de7Wv2c45t6vitVV1uFhy08GXYU2SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 24, 2012, at 12:35 AM, Jota wrote: > I have a very good problem here since my PC's HDD died (because I had to ask my son's notebook to be here, when he can share it with me). SO... My answers have a little... digital delay, Hahahahahah!!! Please, try to understand me. Yes, I have "Been There and Done That" Myself. > When you talk about "audio distortion"... How much do you mean? If the "standard" AM TX audio distortion is around 1%, How much far away this value I would get whith the power reduction? 2%? 3%? 5%? 10%? More? ??? The more you reduce Power, the Higher the Distortion will be. > BTW: About the voltage reduction equation, if I have a 7.5 V input and I want a final 6 V output (according to the Wikipedia equation), I need a 1 ohm resistor in serie with the main line, and a 4 ohms resistor in a parallel "derivated" arm of the reducing network (resistor to earth). Now, as it is impossible to get any resistor less than 5 ohm, according to the equation, I could use a 100 ohms resistor (in serie) and a 400 ohms resistor (in parallel) to get a final 6 V output (mathematically speaking, it is the same relation between 4/(1+4) than 400/(100+400), or 4000/(1000+4000), etc.). Am I right? or Wrong? ??? What exactly are you trying to do? It sounds to me like what you need is a Voltage Regulator such as: http://diyaudioprojects.com/Technical/Voltage-Regulator/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu May 24 18:55:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90492 invoked from network); 25 May 2012 01:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2012 01:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-00.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.150) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2012 01:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120524205449101710200010> for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 20:54:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4FBEE663.1080001@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 20:54:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 20:54:49 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120524-2, 05/24/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=WTmcM2dtjIC9wNLmyI2wxww1f_z2A8lvz1HL0l-Tn7sxu_7zC_GM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/23/2012 12:13 PM, pdmtr wrote: > We have manage to stock a huge lot of MC13028DW Ic's for our decoder > boards and some other upcoming project, and we ordered 6000pcs of > 3.60MHz & 3.64MHz (for 455KHz IF) resonators from Murata 4 years ago to > be able to support the MC chips at any case... > So if someone decide to make a step forward to make real AMS radios he > can still order resonators from Murata, but minimum quantity is 2000pcs. > For decoder IC's we know where we can order brand new ones, not the > stocked NOS parts you can find around in brokers, as the product line > has been transferred to another company in 2006. > So we are sure that if there is an interest, anyone can make AM Stereo > CQUAM radios in bulk orders. The absolutely best AM stereo radio I've ever used was a 94 or 95 Ford Mach 460 radio. I wonder if it would be possible to clone the electronics and package them into a portable, mini stereo or even a full sized system? If anyone knows where I could get a full schematic, please let me know. I've never used one of the Fanfare tuners, but I bet it would be good competition. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 25 10:41:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61718 invoked from network); 25 May 2012 17:41:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2012 17:41:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2012 17:41:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2012 17:41:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2012 17:41:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:41:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <587D743D-5A84-4CCA-B985-B9D12B5BF7A6@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.235.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.235.40 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=KotEjM0QwBoE8VQJzcLb6s93_js_I3ngXeOsACJIcLxaqhPYrg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > > BTW: About the voltage reduction equation, if I have a 7.5 V input and = I want a final 6 V output (according to the Wikipedia equation), I need a 1= ohm resistor in serie with the main line, and a 4 ohms resistor in a paral= lel "derivated" arm of the reducing network (resistor to earth). Now, as it= is impossible to get any resistor less than 5 ohm, according to the equati= on, I could use a 100 ohms resistor (in serie) and a 400 ohms resistor (in = parallel) to get a final 6 V output (mathematically speaking, it is the sam= e relation between 4/(1+4) than 400/(100+400), or 4000/(1000+4000), etc.). = Am I right? or Wrong? ??? >=20 > What exactly are you trying to do? It sounds to me like what you need is = a Voltage Regulator such as: >=20 > http://diyaudioprojects.com/Technical/Voltage-Regulator/ >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 Hi Kevin!!! I think the "transformation" I want to make isn't enough important as to ha= ve to use a Voltage Regulator or any more sofisticated circuit. The point is: My old (but very very good) Sony STR-212AS receiver losts its= lights. The voltage to the original lights is 7,5 Volts AC. Today, I can't= get lights to 7,5 V. I can get 6V or 9V or 12V lights,only. SO... I need t= o reduce the 7,5 Volts to 6 Volts (to save and long the life of the new lig= hts), because I can't raise it to 9V (the other posible solution), it is th= e only near 6-9 Volts output point of the receiver Power Supply Unit. If I = put a 9V or 12V light here, it will not light with the expected intensity. = That's all folks!!! BTW: This receiver has a Long Wave band. I've never hear nothing there (I'v= e never known about a chilean license to this band). Is there some LW stati= on in USA? or Was there one? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 25 10:48:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67830 invoked from network); 25 May 2012 17:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2012 17:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.111) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2012 17:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2012 17:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2012 17:48:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:48:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FBA6201.4020103@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.235.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.235.40 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=nBUNOZnDyKmWdvszkWMbiOwCYN7CrHKc5lJMLlIiK1xMq-gTtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Despite the efficient issue (because I think it is the main reason the toda= y TX have made with PDM system), Nobody makes, today, the old simple "plate= modulation" system with 100% solid state technology? ??? And, in the same line, Why not to use the digital domain (software world) t= o: a) create the carrier, b) modulate it and c) filter it, and then (only t= hen) to convert it to the analog real world? Why not? Is somebody working o= n this line? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 5/21/2012 5:18 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > > > On May 21, 2012, at 3:35 AM, Jota wrote: > > > > > Just curious... Can the typical "modern" AM MW TX (PDM) be used with > > an output power less than the nominal power without audible problems? > > > > > > I mean, If a have a nominal 2500 watts output power TX, Can I use it > > to get just 1000 watts output power without any audible problem? ??? > > > > When PDM Transmitters are operated at less then designed power, they > > have more Audio Distortion. >=20 > Yes, but I think Juan could run that 2.2kW at 1kW without much=20 > distortion. It would be if you're dialing it way down that it would be=20 > a problem. I remember the Gates-5 at KYCR. Ran 3800 days and 240=20 > nights, and it sounded pretty good even at that low level. Had they=20 > been running music instead of talk perhaps my opinion would be different. >=20 > Scott Todd > From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Fri May 25 15:20:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23101 invoked from network); 25 May 2012 22:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2012 22:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2012 22:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A6A37447 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 16:47:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FBFFE0E.9020900@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:47:58 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: AMS Decoders and AMS Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=atP_bdS3ttIGbfCFRAyLmOG7EPlbXUx_QMEJI8u1EELGtg X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >The absolutely best AM stereo radio I've ever used was a >94 or 95 Ford Mach 460 radio. I wonder if it would be >possible to clone the electronics and package them into >a portable, mini stereo or even a full sized system? If >anyone knows where I could get a full schematic, please >let me know. I've never used one of the Fanfare tuners, >but I bet it would be good competition. > >Scott Todd I searched for a schematic but all I see are external wiring diagrams. I think Ford was having their radios made by Visteon and if the model number of the actual radio is known then searching for the make/model of the unit might prove more successful. About building a whole AMS radio, I have toyed with the idea for quite some time. For a high fidelity unit with a flat audio response well out past 10KHz like say 12.5KHz or further for those who have an audio source past the NRSC limit RF & IF filtering can be a real obstacle. The RF pre-selector needs to have a high enough Q to reject out of band signals but this also narrows the bandwidth reducing HF audio response. There are also undesirable tracking and BW/Q issues for the RF pre-selector varying across the dial that make it difficult to provide a consistent audio bandwidth response on some units. Using a single IF filter with a 15KHz BW seems to be a good all around choice for good selectivity and acceptable audio response but at 10KHz the audio is down about 12db (and can vary across the dial) after applying a partial NRSC de-emphasis. To flatten out the response post detection EQ is needed along with 10KHz notch filters for a good listening experience. This will produce audio out to 9.5KHz for a medium high fidelity decoder but heavy boosting of the HF portion of the signal does have its drawbacks mainly the steep skirts of the ceramic filter can produce audio ringing. Of the decoder boards I have built I have employed this with good results but it requires retuning the NRSC de-emph filter in combination with a HF boost of 10-12db @ ~9KHz. This setup is best for AMS conversions but designing a whole AMS radio offers more flexibility simplifying audio EQing and NRSC de-emph along with having a true naturally flat audio response out past 12.5KHz producing a most natural sound. Adding DNR would also be good. For those looking for high fidelity reception like what you would find in the Denon or Carver tuners getting it from an AMS conversion can be very difficult. For top notch reception a tuner designed around the needs of the AMS signal is the best waty to go. JSG From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 25 16:04:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63435 invoked from network); 25 May 2012 23:04:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2012 23:04:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.207) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2012 23:04:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2012 23:04:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2012 23:04:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 23:04:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FBFFE0E.9020900@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.235.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.235.40 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: AMS Decoders and AMS Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3ZfpaJHvDzFCRlBVUDWWgb-waVEXGfGDkRhU65dJh1hlCg7iWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Do you have tried: http://www.hifiengine.com ? ??? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: > > >The absolutely best AM stereo radio I've ever used was a > >94 or 95 Ford Mach 460 radio. I wonder if it would be > >possible to clone the electronics and package them into > >a portable, mini stereo or even a full sized system? If > >anyone knows where I could get a full schematic, please > >let me know. I've never used one of the Fanfare tuners, > >but I bet it would be good competition. > > > >Scott Todd >=20 > I searched for a schematic but all I see are external wiring diagrams. I= =20 > think Ford was having their radios made by Visteon and if the model=20 > number of the actual radio is known then searching for the make/model of= =20 > the unit might prove more successful. >=20 >=20 >=20 > About building a whole AMS radio, I have toyed with the idea for quite=20 > some time. For a high fidelity unit with a flat audio response well out=20 > past 10KHz like say 12.5KHz or further for those who have an audio=20 > source past the NRSC limit RF & IF filtering can be a real obstacle. >=20 > The RF pre-selector needs to have a high enough Q to reject out of band=20 > signals but this also narrows the bandwidth reducing HF audio response.=20 > There are also undesirable tracking and BW/Q issues for the RF=20 > pre-selector varying across the dial that make it difficult to provide a= =20 > consistent audio bandwidth response on some units. >=20 > Using a single IF filter with a 15KHz BW seems to be a good all around=20 > choice for good selectivity and acceptable audio response but at 10KHz=20 > the audio is down about 12db (and can vary across the dial) after=20 > applying a partial NRSC de-emphasis. To flatten out the response post=20 > detection EQ is needed along with 10KHz notch filters for a good=20 > listening experience. This will produce audio out to 9.5KHz for a medium= =20 > high fidelity decoder but heavy boosting of the HF portion of the signal= =20 > does have its drawbacks mainly the steep skirts of the ceramic filter=20 > can produce audio ringing. Of the decoder boards I have built I have=20 > employed this with good results but it requires retuning the NRSC=20 > de-emph filter in combination with a HF boost of 10-12db @ ~9KHz. This=20 > setup is best for AMS conversions but designing a whole AMS radio offers= =20 > more flexibility simplifying audio EQing and NRSC de-emph along with=20 > having a true naturally flat audio response out past 12.5KHz producing a= =20 > most natural sound. Adding DNR would also be good. For those looking for= =20 > high fidelity reception like what you would find in the Denon or Carver=20 > tuners getting it from an AMS conversion can be very difficult. For top=20 > notch reception a tuner designed around the needs of the AMS signal is=20 > the best waty to go. >=20 > JSG > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri May 25 20:39:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90690 invoked from network); 26 May 2012 03:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2012 03:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f45.google.com) (209.85.213.45) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2012 03:39:42 -0000 X-Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21so1285907yho.32 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 20:39:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.76.133 with SMTP id b5mr1136362yhe.3.1338003581891; Fri, 25 May 2012 20:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g66sm22574140yhf.15.2012.05.25.20.39.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 May 2012 20:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 23:39:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=nw45zsvZcWJw7sc8OFON_UReRhMQ1pOgihnkc9gkg63BRkWEWXixMLrI-dWQEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 25, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Jota wrote: > The point is: My old (but very very good) Sony STR-212AS receiver losts its lights. The voltage to the original lights is 7,5 Volts AC. Today, I can't get lights to 7,5 V. I can get 6V or 9V or 12V lights,only. SO... I need to reduce the 7,5 Volts to 6 Volts (to save and long the life of the new lights), because I can't raise it to 9V (the other posible solution), it is the only near 6-9 Volts output point of the receiver Power Supply Unit. If I put a 9V or 12V light here, it will not light with the expected intensity. That's all folks!!! OK so we need the Watt Rationg or Current Draw of the replacement 6 Volt Lamp. Use the Ohms Law to calculate the "load current" in amperes (load amps = watts/volts). Calculate the resistance of the "series voltage dropping resistor." R = E/I where: R = resistance in ohms, E = voltage, and I = load current in amperes. Calculate the power dissipation rating of the power resistor and add a 25 percent safety factor. > BTW: This receiver has a Long Wave band. I've never hear nothing there (I've never known about a chilean license to this band). Is there some LW station in USA? or Was there one? ??? Long Wave is used for Broadcast in ITU Region 1, but is used for Non Directional Navigation Beacons in the USA, but they are now obsolete and going off the air. There is also the Longwave Part 15 Unlicensed Use band and the 500 KHz band is opening up for CW Ham Use. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri May 25 20:50:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45482 invoked from network); 26 May 2012 03:50:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2012 03:50:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gg0-f169.google.com) (209.85.161.169) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2012 03:50:14 -0000 X-Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so1321237ggm.28 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 20:50:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.114.161 with SMTP id c21mr1069542yhh.51.1338004211263; Fri, 25 May 2012 20:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o10sm7206365anm.1.2012.05.25.20.50.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 May 2012 20:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 23:50:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <50263608-7428-41E9-B0BA-6E2318F26316@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=JdL-BXqB2R-_i-XCu_7FjVMd6MtX3BzbFylxmGNwXN9nbmwiwx2G9_CDJCWzdg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 25, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Jota wrote: > Despite the efficient issue (because I think it is the main reason the today TX have made with PDM system), Nobody makes, today, the old simple "plate modulation" system with 100% solid state technology? ??? There were many reasons why the manufacturers got away from High Level Modulation, but a Determined Home Brewer should not have much trouble putting one together. Personally, for Solid State, I want Class E PDM. You can also Home Brew a nice PDM Box. http://www.classeradio.com/ > And, in the same line, Why not to use the digital domain (software world) to: a) create the carrier, b) modulate it and c) filter it, and then (only then) to convert it to the analog real world? Why not? Is somebody working on this line? ??? Many Modern AM Transmitters do just that! From what I understand, it would only take a Software Change to make a HD-Radio Exciter act as a C-QUAM Exciter. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sat May 26 18:41:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50778 invoked from network); 27 May 2012 01:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2012 01:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2012 01:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8758C37447 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 20:40:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FC1862A.1030509@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 20:40:58 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=SFdyZsEfX4sYR0o3DgD6WRNg96FyfNUBCMkdQttoAGZJrw X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >Posted by: "pdmtr" >Wed May 23, 2012 10:13 am (PDT) > >For decoder IC's we know where we can order >brand new ones, not the stocked NOS parts you >can find around in brokers, as the product line has >been transferred to another company in 2006. It looks like Freescale, a Motorola spinoff in 2004, had the chip and can still be found in a search on their page but says that it is no longer manufactured. Did they sell the 13028 and/or all of the C-QuAM chip designs in 2006 to another company or will Freescale make new ones if the order ls large enough? If bought by another company what is the name if it? JSG From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun May 27 12:19:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23471 invoked from network); 27 May 2012 19:19:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2012 19:19:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-10.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.170) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2012 19:19:40 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120527141932101360500011> for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 14:19:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <4FC27E3B.7060507@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 14:19:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 14:19:32 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120527-1, 05/27/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=VaM1ohfTGVl5Aws4Y4MeSX7znSUmwN5rVdbLckYu4Qn7UBmGmtmv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/25/2012 10:39 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On May 25, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Jota wrote: > > > The point is: My old (but very very good) Sony STR-212AS receiver > losts its lights. The voltage to the original lights is 7,5 Volts AC. > Today, I can't get lights to 7,5 V. I can get 6V or 9V or 12V > lights,only. SO... I need to reduce the 7,5 Volts to 6 Volts (to save > and long the life of the new lights), because I can't raise it to 9V > (the other posible solution), it is the only near 6-9 Volts output point > of the receiver Power Supply Unit. If I put a 9V or 12V light here, it > will not light with the expected intensity. That's all folks!!! > > OK so we need the Watt Rationg or Current Draw of the replacement 6 Volt > Lamp. > > Use the Ohms Law to calculate the "load current" in amperes (load amps = > watts/volts). Or you could upgrade the radio to use LEDs. White ones drop 3.4V each, and can tolerate up to 4V. Add a silicon diode such as a 1N4001 in series if you really want to keep from stressing the LEDs. You could then either add a small filter cap across the LEDs, or have an identical string wired in the opposite polarity across the first one. Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun May 27 13:31:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94286 invoked from network); 27 May 2012 20:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2012 20:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.176) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2012 20:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2012 20:31:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.250] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2012 20:31:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1059.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2012 20:31:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 792313.53961.bm@omp1059.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 9260 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2012 20:31:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: x6f0xVoVM1kFiCJ4AtEHoP8pJo.KDVyJGH4uuG.XioWavax uJPebNCy1RnOnpN6PZTwVxg_IlwQrQsEhDGc7M.RZJvoG7itwRdr3zQWZcRI tglOl1yJm_O4f0A2qY5LNgTad9TWO5EHQ9pF2IEs_oojEf_3N1jAyvMrfa2n _fsCX0e3ptC7yEL4AIBP98RXCLX1fJ.q_Nsjt2cxGPBc33jwKhBqz0QstkSv VP9.8YApIs3ji1uVeP8zPC7Wga6.fF6Re6ahDwNtBRQAHQsZFCduEa2of2Ho nkRP7_upD4USQ_oIkmMzTfTW2L.r6Ph9Ul6RcdUJuvhnz4Bs.5OK0iTPGDCD vXg.zUAFvycYYquwrghZkBEuGo5fWw8hS6K11Ojt5_dMPlQTpBfK.Nv49EXm FFAF9fQrZlHVJzz6ifY0g.Zf68FybfITaLSLROGYppU99aOEW4jcH2.cBC9C 2Z6sf6NWnw6gUOp0DcI9h6h38L7XDqQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.109.54] by web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2012 13:31:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1338150705.8743.YahooMailClassic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 13:31:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.212.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Subject: Juan's Lights X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=sF9gmN_17J2AagpaUBsC_ZdmD9vihRUTbcEPBOPQj78eVpVgxgo9WUs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan - I would use a higher voltage bulb if there is already 7.5volts present, I would use the 9V bulb and you will usually still have a bright enought bulb, and lowering the voltage will make that bulb last more than twice as long, if you are getting enough light from it. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun May 27 13:36:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62458 invoked from network); 27 May 2012 20:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2012 20:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.171) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2012 20:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2012 20:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2012 20:33:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 20:33:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FC1862A.1030509@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=DpqirTpbQoHc-q4CW-gIGeqnOLUoUTCLu-LZZzornEHGLXWjM26h9sY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I thought originally "ON Semiconductor" bought all of Motorola's IC chips s= o Moto could concentrate of screwing police and fire deparments going digit= al and cellphones. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: > > >Posted by: "pdmtr" > >Wed May 23, 2012 10:13 am (PDT) > > > >For decoder IC's we know where we can order=20 > >brand new ones, not the stocked NOS parts you > >can find around in brokers, as the product line has > >been transferred to another company in 2006. >=20 > It looks like Freescale, a Motorola spinoff in 2004, had the chip and=20 > can still be found in a search on their page but says that it is no=20 > longer manufactured. Did they sell the 13028 and/or all of the C-QuAM=20 > chip designs in 2006 to another company or will Freescale make new ones=20 > if the order ls large enough? If bought by another company what is the=20 > name if it? >=20 > JSG > From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sun May 27 17:03:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74682 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 00:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2012 00:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2012 00:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1623337447 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 19:03:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FC2C0D3.109@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 19:03:31 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=Pid4I8PLJYUS-5JloF_CguY2AnisitTYVfoptfgydC9Y9g X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >toledohamradio wrote: > >I thought originally "ON Semiconductor" bought all of Motorola's >IC chips so Moto could concentrate of screwing police and fire >deparments going digital and cellphones. Funny :-) They were spin offs or so to speak so I guess you could say they bought it. ;-) (Rant) When the space shuttle burned up over East Texas returning from a mission and cleanup initiated I heard that the new police and fire radios wouldn't work in the forest because the pine needles on the trees were within the resonant frequency of the band the new radios used especially if they were wet, thus adsorbing the signal. This required the many licensed hams with HF rigs and 2 meter handy talkies to facilitate communications. Thank You Motorola! (/Rant) I think OnSemi ended up with all the descrete components, RF, Small Signal Bipolar and FET, Power, OpAmps, etc... mostly the commodity items and Freescale ended up with proprietary items like Linear and Digital Integrated Circuits, CPUs, Micro Controllers, which also includes the DSP Symphony Digital Radio stuff. If you go the each of the websites You can kind of see how it was divided up. JSG From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 27 20:45:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13612 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 03:45:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2012 03:45:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.109) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2012 03:45:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 03:45:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 03:45:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 03:44:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FC27E3B.7060507@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.235.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.235.177 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM transmitter MFG from? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BbEQXHexW-GikY1DUb85SZrWLF4z12-zPTXrFljrv923EqzN4w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I'll use 6V Leds with the proper diode bridge and a IC voltage regulator. T= he only one doubt I have is about the value of the parallel capacitor I hav= e to use in the DC output line. Some idea? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > Or you could upgrade the radio to use LEDs. White ones drop 3.4V each,=20 > and can tolerate up to 4V. Add a silicon diode such as a 1N4001 in=20 > series if you really want to keep from stressing the LEDs. You could=20 > then either add a small filter cap across the LEDs, or have an identical= =20 > string wired in the opposite polarity across the first one. >=20 > Scott Todd > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon May 28 00:56:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89848 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 07:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2012 07:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2012 07:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 07:54:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 07:54:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:54:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FC2C0D3.109@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.232.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.232.63 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=_GkgJmrXOBWwiZy6PeyovG5pfG9s1z0MGZSU7UQx21E X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr The broke up of the old Moto semiconductors was a real nightmare for poeple= used to use them! The have send power electronics to ON, the uCU's and som= e releated parts renamed as Freescale, the older RF parts for transmitting = went to MACOM, and the MC series IC's where available form either the ON or= Freescale depending on use...=20 But just a bit later most MC13's series along with the MC145xxx series and = ECL's were transfered to another company outside of the Moto's subcompanies= . The name of it is Lansdale!!!=20 http://www.lansdale.com/=20 They do show the 13000 series although they don't have the CQUAM decoders i= n the standard product lines on their online catalogue. But I have learned = that they do have the product line in their hands, and if asked they could = reproduce them in bulk orders.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: > > >toledohamradio wrote: > > > >I thought originally "ON Semiconductor" bought all of Motorola's > >IC chips so Moto could concentrate of screwing police and fire > >deparments going digital and cellphones. >=20 > Funny :-) >=20 > They were spin offs or so to speak so I guess you could say they bought=20 > it. ;-) >=20 > (Rant) > When the space shuttle burned up over East Texas returning from a=20 > mission and cleanup initiated I heard that the new police and fire=20 > radios wouldn't work in the forest because the pine needles on the trees= =20 > were within the resonant frequency of the band the new radios used=20 > especially if they were wet, thus adsorbing the signal. This required=20 > the many licensed hams with HF rigs and 2 meter handy talkies to=20 > facilitate communications. > Thank You Motorola! > (/Rant) >=20 > I think OnSemi ended up with all the descrete components, RF, Small=20 > Signal Bipolar and FET, Power, OpAmps, etc... mostly the commodity items= =20 > and Freescale ended up with proprietary items like Linear and Digital=20 > Integrated Circuits, CPUs, Micro Controllers, which also includes the=20 > DSP Symphony Digital Radio stuff. If you go the each of the websites You= =20 > can kind of see how it was divided up. >=20 > JSG > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon May 28 04:35:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85785 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 11:35:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2012 11:35:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f41.google.com) (209.85.213.41) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2012 11:35:24 -0000 X-Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so2170181yhr.14 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 04:35:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.78.70 with SMTP id f46mr7143557yhe.99.1338204924334; Mon, 28 May 2012 04:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (24-179-19-238.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com. [24.179.19.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p14sm15456281ani.8.2012.05.28.04.35.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 May 2012 04:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:35:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <1E4F9708-0A57-4A1C-93C7-B83A0715496E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=sgg6weuFV_1797CQhVEymw848u0eE1pTDk2Q0cbPIHSaMnWbhA3V5uWXGJkQKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 28, 2012, at 3:54 AM, pdmtr wrote: > They do show the 13000 series although they don't have the CQUAM decoders in the standard product lines on their online catalogue. But I have learned that they do have the product line in their hands, and if asked they could reproduce them in bulk orders. It sounds like it may be easier to use DSP to decode C-QUAM like Vistion did on the CD-6 Car Radio, or why not use HD-Radio Decoder Chips that also do C-QUAM, such as the one out of the Sangean HDT-1X? 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon May 28 05:58:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55274 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 12:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2012 12:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2012 12:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4SCwL8Z001674 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:58:21 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.13]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8954FE00008A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43c9d.ac3ff2c.3cf4d06c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:58:21 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:476551360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29084fc3766d17b9 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=8VWGF4Nni4-IhFxNCg4HMEhl_P4f3zquZwVnd0kX_SciagvSAR0z X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I have a Sangean HDT-1X and so far I have not been able to get it to lock onto a nighttime C-Quam signal. When I tune across both WLS-890 or KCJJ-1630 it refuses to lock on, however my Delco UX1 will readily lock onto those stations in Stereo at night if they have a halfway decent signal. It looks like the only way I will know for sure if the Sangean will decode C-Quam is to have an AM Stereo test generator or perhaps a 100 milliwatt C-Quam transmitter set up nearby to put a really strong AM Stereo signal into the Sangean HDT-1X and see if it will decode the C-Quam. Otherwise I would say the HDT-1X is not very sensitive to a C-Quam signal, if at all? Maybe a strong local signal will get it to lock on? 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 5/28/2012 7:35:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: It sounds like it may be easier to use DSP to decode C-QUAM like Vistion did on the CD-6 Car Radio, or why not use HD-Radio Decoder Chips that also do C-QUAM, such as the one out of the Sangean HDT-1X? From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon May 28 06:37:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64008 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 13:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2012 13:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s32.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.235) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2012 13:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from SNT0-EAS130 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s32.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 28 May 2012 06:37:49 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com References: <1E4F9708-0A57-4A1C-93C7-B83A0715496E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1E4F9708-0A57-4A1C-93C7-B83A0715496E@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:37:46 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2012 13:37:49.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[129C49C0:01CD3CD7] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=ol9M7Xtm_vUj8nRc7kBQ5tyKX9-r2HEGwEIJT9U1WglRpZzgVcvy6W8x Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd & anyone else - I have alf lite transmitters ready to ship now. I have= not tested the sangean for AMS myself, but would be curious to find out.= =0D Chris =0D =0D Sent from my iPod=0D =0D On May 28, 2012, at 7:35 AM, "Kevin Raper" wrote:=0D =0D > =0D > On May 28, 2012, at 3:54 AM, pdmtr wrote:=0D > =0D > > They do show the 13000 series although they don't have the CQUAM decode= rs in the standard product lines on their online catalogue. But I have lear= ned that they do have the product line in their hands, and if asked they co= uld reproduce them in bulk orders. =0D > =0D > It sounds like it may be easier to use DSP to decode C-QUAM like Vistion = did on the CD-6 Car Radio, or why not use HD-Radio Decoder Chips that also = do C-QUAM, such as the one out of the Sangean HDT-1X? =0D > =0D > 73,=0D > Kevin Raper=0D > KJ4HYD=0D > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ=0D > =0D > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn=0D > =0D > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=0D > =0D > =0D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon May 28 07:15:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47477 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 14:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2012 14:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2012 14:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4SEFNX0008149 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:15:23 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.13]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8D7E9E000086 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <454d8.13ffe5fa.3cf4e277@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:15:20 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:403318944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33894fc38879154d X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=erPBEeMCSOjzf8nTsfDg-bIEQoW_nBe3rXW_gz1sqiBWhox2dCan X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi Chris, thanks for your announcement of having alf lite (misprint?) transmitters ready to ship. Could you give us more information on your transmitters such as price, how to order, etc or is it best to contact you off list? I would be interested in one. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 5/28/2012 9:37:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amstereoguy@hotmail.com writes: Todd & anyone else - I have alf lite transmitters ready to ship now. I have not tested the sangean for AMS myself, but would be curious to find out. Chris From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 28 09:24:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23594 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 16:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2012 16:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.31) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2012 16:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 16:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 16:24:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 16:24:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=fMdAwlCt06PLqZO51P61GtJ6GJjAvzXeGcDdldrQliEx90k4Ke7Sebo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio wrote: "...DSP Symphony Digital Radio..." This brings a tear to my eyes - the DSP Symphony Digital Radio chipset from= Motorola was something I so looked forward to: a spectacular noise reducti= on system and a superb AM receiver chipset that had the OPTION for CQUAM de= coding...then the Moto sale and I doubt all the work on this super duper ch= ip was never used in a production radio - if so, I want one! 73 John From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon May 28 12:54:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81448 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 19:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2012 19:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.215) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2012 19:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W50 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 28 May 2012 12:54:33 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 15:54:33 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <454d8.13ffe5fa.3cf4e277@aol.com> References: <454d8.13ffe5fa.3cf4e277@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2012 19:54:33.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4087480:01CD3D0B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AMS Decoders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=_j_Wii-XSwOY-QxqVZfOHIhIMc2KeA5sfwlukKNYNqnYoRGyF8HrDzHO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Todd- Just got to You Tube and type in "AM stereo transmitter kit" It will lead you to my stuff. You can get these as DIY kits, Bare Bones assembled and tested boards (no case) , or complete with case. Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:15:20 -0400 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS Decoders Hi Chris, thanks for your announcement of having alf lite (misprint?) transmitters ready to ship. Could you give us more information on your transmitters such as price, how to order, etc or is it best to contact you off list? I would be interested in one. 73 - Todd WD4NGGComputer---------->Amplifier/TX Baseband RF Dan On 3 July 2012 15:08, Jota wrote: > ** > > > What a pity!!! > > But, I don't see clearly the reasons they decided it. > > They talked about "there is no any real advantage to the audience". ??? > How could it be? If you have the right tuner, you can note the difference= , > very easily!!! > > Maybe (I'm guessing), the real cause is about the AM Stereo system doesn'= t > make more money to the station owners. Just my humble opinion. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neto Silva wrote: > > > > Radio Nacional AM de Brasilia explains not transmit more in AM STEREO > > > > Google tradutor > > in Portugues? > > Prezado senhor, Neto. > > > > Boa tarde. > > > > A Coordena=E7=E3o de R=E1dio, em resposta ao seu e-mail, informou o seg= uinte: > > "A quest=E3o =E9 que ao utilizar AM-EST=C9REO na R=E1dio Nacional, a EB= C > constatou > > que n=E3o houve melhora de frequ=EAncia. O que ocorria era apenas a div= is=E3o > > da transmiss=E3o em dois canais da mesma banda estreita ( L+R e L-R). > > Para manter esses sinais alinhados no transmissor foi um esfor=E7o > permanente para > > n=E3o deixar o ouvinte sem sinal, pois qualquer coisa alterava fase no > transmissor > > (eram todos valvulados) deteriorando muito a rela=E7=E3o de separa=E7= =E3o L/R , > acabando > > com o est=E9reo. Com estes problemas, a EBC optou em voltar a utilizar = o > sistema > > anterior que consegue fluir mais tranquilamente a frequ=EAncia. A EBC > conta com a > > compreens=E3o deste problema t=E9nico e est=E1 procurando ajustar para > disponibilizar > > ao usu=E1rio cada vez mais, um servi=E7o de qualidade". > > > > Aproveitamos para agradecer a participa=E7=E3o e nos colocarmos =E0 dis= posi=E7=E3o. > > > > Atenciosamente, > > > > Ouvidoria da Empresa Brasil de Comunica=E7=E3o - EBC > > http://www.ebc.com.br/ > > > > > > ________________________________ > > De: Jota > > > Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Enviadas: Domingo, 1 de Julho de 2012 4:57 > > Assunto: {AMSF} Re: Response AM Stereo Radio Nacional Brasilia > > > > ??? > > > > I'm lost. > > > > Can somebody explain it, please? ??? > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neto Silva wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, Neto. > > > > > > Good afternoon. > > > > > > The Department of Radio, in response to your e-mail, reported the > following: > > > "The point is that when using STEREO-AM Radio National, the EBC has > found that there was no improvement in frequency. What happened was just > split in two transmission channels in the same narrow band (L + R and LR)= . > To maintain these signals in the transmitter line was a constant effort n= ot > to let the listener unsigned, because anything changed at the transmitter > stage (they were all tube) deteriorating relationship separation L / R, > ending with the stereo. with these problems, the EBC opted to reuse the > previous system that can flow more smoothly the frequency. EBC has valuab= le > technical understanding of this problem and looking set to provide the us= er > more and more quality service ". > > > > > > Take this opportunity to thank the participation and put ourselves at > your disposal. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Ombudsman of Brazil Communications Company - EBC > > > > > > Radio Nacional Brasilia AM 980Khz > > > Day 50 Kw > > > Night 330 Kw > > > > > > > > > Neto Silva > > > Brasilia DF > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 03 01:53:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27433 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2012 08:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2012 08:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.48) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2012 08:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 08:53:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 08:53:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 08:53:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.50.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.30 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Response AM Stereo Radio Nacional Brasilia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=EeaaPwjfZ4kjJ1ohipplJ4oK_So3G-ykk-QDnFG-x_BF8s6dlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Higher maintenance costs for something most of the audience won't notice. >=20 You're right. But it isn't a good excuse to not transmit with a system whic= h has been tested and proven as better than the standard mono system. > I have no knowledge of radio engineering, but understand that a TX can ta= ke > amplified audio L and R signals as input. >=20 > Does a transmitter exist that can accept Radio Frequency CQuam as input a= nd > simply amplifies it and outputs the result to an antenna? That way, the > CQuam (or any other modulation scheme) RF could be generated by computer > software without the need for tuned circuitry. Maybe an amplifier is all > that is needed? >=20 > Microphone---------->Computer---------->Amplifier/TX > Baseband RF >=20 > Dan >=20 Of course you can do it that way!!! The question is... HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? (In comparison with the today ful= l analog system). The question is because you would have to perform some changes inside the T= X (if you want to use your approach as it is). Normally, the AM TXs has a "plate modulation" (or something like that) conf= iguration. It means that they need a carrier (analog of course) and audio (= also analog) and they just mix it to get an AM signal. Modern TXs use a little different way (the infamous PDM Phase Duration Modu= lation) which also need analog mono audio (I'm not sure if the carrier coul= d be digital, in this case). Whatever, you have to change your configuration to feed the TX with the ana= log signals (audio and carrier) it needs. I'd love if somebody would offer your approach, at a cheap price. It would = be ideal (because you just would have to change the software to change C-QU= AM, ISB or any other system you want). It is the same to the tuners: Why not to use (at a cheap price, of course) = a software to decode (and clean) the signal, in the way we want (mono, ISB,= C-QUAM, etc)? ??? BUT... (maybe I'm out of date) I don't know somebody is offering it now. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South Americ, with a lot of hope and love. From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Jul 03 03:19:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98532 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2012 10:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2012 10:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lb0-f171.google.com) (209.85.217.171) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2012 10:19:46 -0000 X-Received: by lbom4 with SMTP id m4so19801439lbo.16 for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 03:19:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.48.6 with SMTP id h6mr16799235lan.30.1341310785477; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 03:19:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.42.74 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 03:19:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 18:19:45 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Response AM Stereo Radio Nacional Brasilia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=gJ4GjsdWYNbEHyl-k3ZVPUSocx2FqYlA_HfOn05tFFHGcpVD X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, On 3 July 2012 16:53, Jota wrote: But it isn't a good excuse to not transmit with a system which has been > tested and proven as better than the standard mono system. > Unfortunately in a market economy (however warped), a company will only enhance a product if it increases demand. > > I have no knowledge of radio engineering, but understand that a TX can > take > > amplified audio L and R signals as input. > > > > Does a transmitter exist that can accept Radio Frequency CQuam as input > and > > simply amplifies it and outputs the result to an antenna? That way, the > > CQuam (or any other modulation scheme) RF could be generated by compute= r > > software without the need for tuned circuitry. Maybe an amplifier is al= l > > that is needed? > > > > Microphone---------->Computer---------->Amplifier/TX > > Baseband RF > > > > Dan > > > > Of course you can do it that way!!! > > The question is... HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? (In comparison with the today > full analog system). > > The question is because you would have to perform some changes inside the > TX (if you want to use your approach as it is). > > Normally, the AM TXs has a "plate modulation" (or something like that) > configuration. It means that they need a carrier (analog of course) and > audio (also analog) and they just mix it to get an AM signal. > > Modern TXs use a little different way (the infamous PDM Phase Duration > Modulation) which also need analog mono audio (I'm not sure if the carrie= r > could be digital, in this case). > > Whatever, you have to change your configuration to feed the TX with the > analog signals (audio and carrier) it needs. > > I'd love if somebody would offer your approach, at a cheap price. It woul= d > be ideal (because you just would have to change the software to change > C-QUAM, ISB or any other system you want). > True. Although, with this idea, the carrier, and ultimately the modulated signal would be created in software (maybe doing away with the traditional TX). This would be output through a Digital to Analog Converter (DAC) to an amplifier which makes the signal strong enough to be fed to a transmission antenna. This negates the need to do modulation in hardware. The DAC would be fairly cheap. You would need one with a high sampling rate to output RF (ie 2000kHz sampling rate for a 1000kHz RF output. Slightly more because of the audio sidebands). If present DACs can't handle high sampling rates (it appears from the link below that they are), you would need the DAC to output a modulated signal with an intermediate frequency and then use separate hardware to shift the signal upwards in frequency. The block diagram would change to: Microphone---------->Computer---------------------->Multiplier/Shifter-----= --------------->Amplifier/TX-------------->Antenna Baseband Audio Modulated IF Modulated RF Modulated RF(amplified) This gives you an idea of the hardware: http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/UsrpFAQIntro The multiplier/shifter function is performed by a 'daughterboard'. An antenna is plugged directly into the daughterboard. The daughterboard receives the modulated signal from the computer. Different daughterboards are designed to accommodate different parts of the radio spectrum. We only need one for MW. The DAC sample rate in the USRP (motherboard) seems good enough to handle MW directly, although you still need a daughterboard to ultimately transmit according to gnuradio design. We don't need an extravagant USRP/daughterboard design if were only interested in MW. However, if this is to be used for commercial purposes, we need a serious amplifier. > > It is the same to the tuners: Why not to use (at a cheap price, of course= ) > a software to decode (and clean) the signal, in the way we want (mono, IS= B, > C-QUAM, etc)? ??? > > BUT... (maybe I'm out of date) I don't know somebody is offering it now. > This is definitely doable. However when you start adding software DSP (performed by a general purpose CPU) to radio, its power consumption would probably increase substantially. Battery life would probably be reduced. If this isn't an issue, then the result could be beautiful. Antenna------------------->ADC-------------------->Computer/CPU------------= ------->DAC/Sound Card--------------->Speakers RF Sampled RF Demodulated Digital Audio Analog Audio Dan > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South Americ, with a lot of hope and love. > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 03 03:28:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55249 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2012 10:28:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2012 10:28:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.135) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2012 10:28:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 10:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 10:28:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 10:28:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.50.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.30 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Response AM Stereo Radio Nacional Brasilia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=s1-DZsc3n4Bg9Aj3of9aXbt6HuHsxJSgCbS4Q454ifEjhY4pCg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Daniel!!! I forgot to mention about WiNRADiO WR-G31DDC "Excalibur" software defined t= uner. You can download demo videos and the basic software (for free) about that o= n the WiNRADiO web page. Of course, you will get nothing from the software, because you need the har= dware part they buy (US$ 980). Whatever, it is a very good sample about what we could have, if somebody (w= ith a very great and kind heart) would want to make it, at a lower price. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Jul 03 04:00:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67023 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2012 11:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2012 11:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-lb0-f176.google.com) (209.85.217.176) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2012 11:00:09 -0000 X-Received: by lboj14 with SMTP id j14so10372675lbo.35 for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 04:00:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.36.130 with SMTP id q2mr7705553lbj.44.1341313208356; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 04:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.42.74 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 04:00:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:00:08 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Response AM Stereo Radio Nacional Brasilia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=mHYsYU_xa8-6aFQak72q1yg_oo4WkjuqGylQpDxNonMkIu9T X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice, though this appears to be a receiver only. We could definitely do a receiver much more cheaply. The hardware required is pretty much the same as a regular superhet radio except without the demodulator but with an ADC. An article on this page called 'Software Defined Radio for the Masses' (http://www.arrl.org/software-defined-radio) describes how you can use the ADC in your sound card to receive a quadrature IF signal (effectively doubling your sound card's sample rate). On 3 July 2012 18:28, Jota wrote: > ** > > > Hi, Daniel!!! > > I forgot to mention about WiNRADiO WR-G31DDC "Excalibur" software defined > tuner. > > You can download demo videos and the basic software (for free) about that > on the WiNRADiO web page. > > Of course, you will get nothing from the software, because you need the > hardware part they buy (US$ 980). > > Whatever, it is a very good sample about what we could have, if somebody > (with a very great and kind heart) would want to make it, at a lower pric= e. > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 03 05:29:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51407 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2012 12:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2012 12:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.148) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2012 12:29:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 12:29:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 12:29:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 12:29:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Response AM Stereo RNB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TQHHSwwOZJTmnwgAdISUlHUM1JfpQ82CmH_KtYxGXncRJIVsmbI5kqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Transmitting CQuam requires Phase Modulation for the L-R, BUT, I'd bet $100= that a college engineering math / science / programming / electronics guru= could write a program to turn the useless iBiquity HD boxes into some dand= y C-QUAM exciters! =20 > Does a transmitter exist that can accept Radio Frequency CQuam as input a= nd From cozy659@yahoo.com Tue Jul 03 06:20:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: cozy659@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41641 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2012 13:20:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2012 13:20:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.52) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2012 13:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 13:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.167] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 13:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1068.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2012 13:20:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 270924.56275.bm@omp1068.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 95654 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2012 13:20:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 23RkUs0VM1nzFw832v7nqBrfjECWcTbTj.TMCu79RKTN5pY 68tvG0MFL_iI3zhxGt_Lf9bSmu68Z0KsN3K4o1h8SvU01Y0PdaKT8VBSt7S9 .ixgqthsnRtkDGRqV9EqTct.fPzqwZSjQBAD8ILSIJe_1roUQsbUnyEp8Heq IMXxi90UcGkwUma5gYuz6aZRpoP8hTDajcGFIMXPvJVgf6tUu2hlf7AqSkYa fpOseMsuM89DxdF9Y3uR32oGqkerzUbFvUxMoZmc0svdp2ZhndcQml3duCuJ b0c3T1ea8hXfJd.Zuz523vUzJCEy0Ma9icJEdJgIg3vhWwbE2OIIqa37NlKs jMnuvvNR_IFciJrBinD3jbVqUJU89pOxVuXw7sXz37yogS5rf6GL_IJaUgxh _iVg45IIbXEBwxF9fzOFRzz7P.q5p.OFXUOyODG79UMLp68Pl73YG6BaAZ9c PfkHaIctFmbGNM5jNAeNfUIqLt2Gxv6qSZEp1.kO54HC4n4rnJ_YNtjD6F5t zsEqCSPPnGUzYQ_3Qr0dz4nbyaYO.omb7tL8_jd.AKZiNvg2C91I8wnXI8Xf 4EReVNS1T7aPHKU5SBnWjqG..xo6Z5kJe2npWCkJLAv9IK1a7qp3S1MzR4UF Avee5fBB.leGvBmZinH0JGpe2QX1RF8XQ9UI0QUa_qk33yKCfeFzcXV7v8yp BdIpR9FqzSIff2sd7cAkLhmyOanm9ghoy5emhdpgHdfMQUpVIg8NgG5X99K0 ZL3OvcniuugyhEvGx6pbg0hFADT1lM1Ii3VyhgIOVINu0AFAqRvnOW4ow.Mv 4E8TKoQnEx6xwuKIWKbxkbUbCpsIshykSEkwcShV5yu97rZwbVYM8RAgfbZh z7iv0eBr3PKx44SfJd0BJD1QSy3CjnTEEXG54y_wmVYTfCcwsHB3LFIjJ X-Received: from [72.76.247.219] by web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 06:20:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1341321624.94859.YahooMailClassic@web125703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 06:20:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Response AM Stereo RNB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=H-lpT4Yn4XgdmI4ZawBuShEp0AmW3Fy5w0TucY4O0LHOUg X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would Love to see that=E2=80=A6. maybe some students at OSU can Do it..Ne= al --- On Tue, 7/3/12, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Re: Response AM Stereo RNB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 8:29 AM Transmitting CQuam requires Phase Modulation for the L-R, BUT, I'd bet $100= that a college engineering math / science / programming / electronics guru= could write a program to turn the useless iBiquity HD boxes into some dand= y C-QUAM exciters! =20 > Does a transmitter exist that can accept Radio Frequency CQuam as input a= nd ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Jul 03 06:28:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42350 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2012 13:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2012 13:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2012 13:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q63DSb5F014380 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:28:37 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgd004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.9]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BEB82E000085 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6d33b.3ae8df55.3d244d85@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:28:37 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:391456544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a4ff2f3856802 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Response AM Stereo Radio Nacional Brasilia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=T1xoOm8diUG4jjkdlARbkPORUw_6skPnYGmgrXiqF7r5tU4wbSsK X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 7/3/2012 4:28:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, piccoli.dan@gmail.com writes: Does a transmitter exist that can accept Radio Frequency CQuam as input and simply amplifies it and outputs the result to an antenna? That way, the CQuam (or any other modulation scheme) RF could be generated by computer software without the need for tuned circuitry. Maybe an amplifier is all that is needed? As I understand it, you still need to break up the C-Quam signal into 2 separate parts for the transmitter. You need to phase modulate the carrier for the L-R and amplitude modulate the carrier for L+R. Delta makes a nice C-Quam exciter designed to convert an existing AM transmitter into a C-Quam transmitter. The Model ASE-2 has a phase-modulated carrier output that replaces the crystal exciter in the transmitter and a separate Audio output (L+R) that drives the transmitter main modulator. The phase modulation of the carrier could probably be done in software but nothing complicated about amplitude modulating the carrier with L+R (combined stereo) standard audio. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jul 03 06:37:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50895 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2012 13:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2012 13:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f182.google.com) (209.85.213.182) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2012 13:37:53 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f182.google.com with SMTP id l8so7874138yen.27 for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 06:37:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.186.101 with SMTP id v65mr1287996yhm.23.1341322673009; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 06:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y8sm14662728anj.11.2012.07.03.06.37.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jul 2012 06:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:37:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: <6d33b.3ae8df55.3d244d85@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <6d33b.3ae8df55.3d244d85@aol.com> Message-Id: <286856DC-AC67-42D6-89C4-C13E3227854A@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Response AM Stereo Radio Nacional Brasilia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Vjc56aolJ2CYSpL_Q4tofGVPhIqQY9TJAyoLSbc_k3eGXLWNZPStpGbiV91mkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:28 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > Does a transmitter exist that can accept Radio Frequency CQuam as input and > simply amplifies it and outputs the result to an antenna? The Gates Vanguard and Vanguard II comes to mind right off the Bat. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Tue Jul 03 07:00:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97751 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2012 14:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2012 14:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2012 14:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E595237447 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:00:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FF2FB0A.4020808@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:00:42 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: {AMSF} Re: Response AM Stereo RNB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=FUHvxzTMsCvUxuREijvFL9htDd1TK36ps6KxA3eLez3HvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst toledohamradio wrote: >Transmitting C-Quam requires Phase Modulation for the L-R, BUT, >I'd bet $100 that a college engineering math / science / >programming / electronics guru could write a program to turn >the useless iBiquity HD boxes into some dandy C-QUAM exciters! > >> Does a transmitter exist that can accept Radio Frequency >>CQuam as input and Those boxes probably have enough horsepower to do a very advanced C-QuAM generated signal including individual sideband bandwidth response to help reduce adjacent channel interference. Many of the issues that transmitters have with C-QuAM's excessive spectra characteristics could be band limited to that of a regular mono AM signal and avoid some of the troubles associated with that. All this would use a fraction of the compute power with more than enough left over for a nice amplitude and phase/group delay tuning program to flatten out the response of the antenna array. All these technical issues would have a much greater impact on iBiquity's HD signal and would require them to be addressed at the exciter level which they have probably already done for some of this. Getting a C-QuAM signal tuned properly for the transmitter and antenna array is a cakewalk compared to what would be needed for a digital transmission system to work at all. With digital if the amplitude and group delay of the transmission path is not to the minimal requirement then no signal gets out where with Analog AMS it's just a signal degradation but still intelligible to the listener. Most of this engineering for the digital signal could be easily back ported to Analog AMS generation producing a signal much superior to what has been done so far. Some of this I can visualize how it could be done in the analog world and analog circuitry produces a much warmer sound than digital although with enough compute power and high enough sampling rate digital could be designed to mimic exactly what an analog circuit does and with less distortion. Other parts would be too complex and practical to address at the analog level but is quick work in the digital domain. Digital Signal Processing is a whole different animal from the analog approach and requires complete relearning of the engineering approach. I'm still an "Analog Kid" and haven't progressed to the "Digital Man" stage yet ;-). -- RUSH - Signals -- What's all that buzzing about? No analog AM now, DX or local! Thanks to Din of iNiquity's iBloc HD Radio = All Buzz, All the Time! 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[66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z19sm17211355anh.22.2012.07.04.05.34.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jul 2012 05:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 08:34:42 -0400 Message-Id: <3F1E4FF6-65CB-46C5-833A-8CDE6EAD415D@gmail.com> To: abDX@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, simplyoffgrid@yahoogroups.com, SCHAMSWAP@yahoogroups.com, SCHAMCHAT@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Happy 4th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=9aIausau0GIXFSf-2ojFT4-j297_rv19EESfi5-Sq11m8bY7aUEzW4vToJ5LtA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy 4th of July from KJ4HYD in Laurens, SC. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Is it true that if you have a bigger loading coil f= or A.L TX that you will have a better signal? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Tue Jul 10 03:36:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84901 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2012 10:36:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2012 10:36:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.213) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2012 10:36:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2012 10:36:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2012 10:36:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:36:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 189.27.20.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 189.27.20.224 From: "bigsatbsb" Subject: Response for Radio Universidade Am Stereo 1080 Khz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=jqGqt8ZW5mIWvyzPDoTQym6IEpsxdxJoU14N8tPXxtHMGc13 X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Sim, ainda transmitimos, apesar de nunca serem fabricados receptores AM-E n= o Brasil. Eu pessoalmenter possuo um port=E1til, SONY SRF-42 que trouxe dos EUA. Utilizamos os sistema C-QUAM Motorola (Ver foto em anexo). Talvez =E0 noite consiga nos receber, sen=E3o s=F3 pela Internet (http://ww= w.radio.ufrgs.br). Grande abra=E7o. =20 Prof. Eng. 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Tue Jul 10 05:47:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11015 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2012 12:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2012 12:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.213) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2012 12:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2012 12:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2012 12:47:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:47:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 189.27.20.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 189.27.20.224 From: "bigsatbsb" Subject: Need Components X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=aLj0MQqTW5ycy1lpF231kftMgy5Yf85f9QgFeCHL0bz9KzOy X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Friends need a Murata SFG450F and Chip Motorola MC 13020P. not sold in Braz= il, who can send me? Contact: bigsatbsb@hotmail.com Neto Silva Brasilia DF From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Tue Jul 10 05:57:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8296 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2012 12:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2012 12:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2012 12:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988C737447 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:57:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FFC26BC.1050300@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:57:32 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: {AMSF} Response for Radio Universidade Am Stereo 1080 Khz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=38cwrcEhulQzJvLcJYYh9JjVL_3IMDPBsfOS0KCINn6jhg X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I think in the Americas all stations are spaced 10kHz apart in the AM/MW band so that would produce a 10kHz whistle. On a quick search for AM radio in Brasil I only see stations with the frequencies with 10kHz spaced numbers. The whistle filter is not a dedicated add on from Radio Shack for the TM-152 but is a standard Twin-T notch filter usually hand made that can be installed in any AM radio if needed where a wide IF filter does not sufficiently suppress it. Usually a narrow band IF filter of ±3kHz does a good job of rejecting whistle but wider ones not so much. A ±4.5kHz like what may have come in the TM-152 is barely narrow enough even when tuned exactly to the station. >Friends, There is also a notch filter at 9 kHz to >cut out any adjacent carrier whistle? for Tm-152? > >Neto Silva >Brasilia DF -- What's all that buzzing about? No analog AM now, DX or local! Thank's to Din of iNiquity's iBloc HD Radio = All Buzz, All the Time! From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Tue Jul 10 06:22:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51357 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2012 13:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2012 13:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2012 13:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0028437447 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:22:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FFC2C97.70102@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:22:31 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: Need Components X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=HwhaAsGKYx6X3GQ1nRruWTOAIZdMCFkC_v4VfKAsvcJr_w X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Decoder chips are hard to come by and so are the filters. You may find some chips on eBay and maybe filters also. Is the SFG450F what came in the radio? In the US some TM-152s came with a SFG450G, a ±4.5kHz filter. For a wider bandwidth I would suggest an SFG450E, a ±7.5kHz one. There are other brands that have made these filters besides Murata, TOKO and Kyocera are two of them. ±7.5kHz seems to be the width that is not to wide at night but produces good treble response during the day with a little Eq boost. You will definitely need a notch filter at night with this filter though. The older 50mHz analog cordless phones usually came with ±7.5kHz filter but are usually centered at 455kHz. If you have any broken/junk ones around the filters can be salvaged. If you find any that are at 450kHz then they should work but realigning the radio to use 455kHz for the IF would require replacing 2 more resonators which can be even harder to get at 455kHz. >Friends need a Murata SFG450F and Chip Motorola MC 13020P >not sold in Brazil, who can send me? >Contact: bigsatbsb@... > >Neto Silva >Brasilia DF -- What's all that buzzing about? No analog AM now, DX or local! Thank's to Din of iNiquity's iBloc HD Radio = All Buzz, All the Time! 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Neto Silva Brasiia DF ________________________________ De: AMS Admin Para: AM Stereo Forum =20 Enviadas: Ter=E7a-feira, 10 de Julho de 2012 10:22 Assunto: {AMSF} Re: Need Components =20 Decoder chips are hard to come by and so are the filters. You may find some chips on eBay and maybe filters also. Is the SFG450F what came in the radio? In the US some TM-152s came with a SFG450G, a =B14.5kHz filter. For a wider bandwidth I would suggest an SFG450E, a =B17.5kHz one. There are other brands that have made these filters besides Murata, TOKO and Kyocera are two of them. =B17.5kHz seems to be the width that is not to wide at night but produces good treble response during the day with a little Eq boost. You will definitely need a notch filter at night with this filter though. The older 50mHz analog cordless phones usually came with =B17.5kHz filter but are usually centered at 455kHz. If you have any broken/junk ones around the filters can be salvaged. If you find any that are at 450kHz then they should work but realigning the radio to use 455kHz for the IF would require replacing 2 more resonators which can be even harder to get at 455kHz. >Friends need a Murata SFG450F and Chip Motorola MC 13020P >not sold in Brazil, who can send me? >Contact: bigsatbsb@... > >Neto Silva >Brasilia DF --=20 What's all that buzzing about? No analog AM now, DX or local! Thank's to Din of iNiquity's iBloc HD Radio =3D All Buzz, All the Time! ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 06:09:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34363 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2012 13:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2012 13:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.38) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2012 13:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2012 13:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2012 13:09:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:09:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FFC2C97.70102@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Need Components X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Jyh33_OvUzJWRGqIMmRk4H4ecf3bOXrBUkoywGlQLI4FLUYHCmzMSMs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I have seen the MC13020P for sale on eBay several times recently.=20=20 If for some reason you cannot locate one, I may have one as part of a broke= n AMS radio that I can send you.=20 I also suggest the 7.5 I.F. filter if you can find one anymore. Getting a GM Delco UX1 car radio (with 10KHz AM steps) that runs on 12VDC i= s the easiest way to get quality AM Stereo quickly. 73 John From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 06:24:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49211 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2012 13:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2012 13:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s21.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.223) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2012 13:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from BAY402-EAS39 ([65.54.190.201]) by bay0-omc4-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:20:53 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:20:53 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2012 13:20:53.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF5604B0:01CD5F67] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Need Components X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=8L1rs7aKXwSkuXmg76lBqd7Mr0llAnRFOauoHw-kzYq3KcIeyt71F2Ag Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have MC13020's new that I don' t need- but I have no ceramic filters.=0D =0D =0D Sent from my iPod=0D =0D On Jul 11, 2012, at 9:10 AM, "toledohamradio" wr= ote:=0D =0D > I have seen the MC13020P for sale on eBay several times recently. =0D > =0D > If for some reason you cannot locate one, I may have one as part of a bro= ken AMS radio that I can send you. =0D > =0D > I also suggest the 7.5 I.F. filter if you can find one anymore.=0D > =0D > Getting a GM Delco UX1 car radio (with 10KHz AM steps) that runs on 12VDC= is the easiest way to get quality AM Stereo quickly.=0D > =0D > 73=0D > John=0D > =0D > =0D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jul 11 07:35:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41888 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2012 14:35:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2012 14:35:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.44.172) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2012 14:35:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2012 14:35:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.44.84] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2012 14:35:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2012 14:35:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 5140.66600.bm@omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 38180 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2012 14:35:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FQl688UVM1khvJDa0ppirej1ZCYE9UicqkGtw0QX57cudMM lcTWrs.eKCult.DvL0PE23vHL8AOj1gl60wfF1tl_.kED43JGMUYnMQwZjru QZHI1IrdVnzQm6OvR8GTxjxlfTbgqTlIyMZUtqBv98fYSs5R9mz6eMRl7UQx j7HS4dPe4SfZjJQFavT1NqgUxSboF5u5vm7wlc7YSU85T3EoCZ8Jm4UgTN8X 3csbgCRD2MrYRxkUD15NRfjPw1uE3pXHbkGTDw.b.uxAnC6Tgj.qk3CtsxJ. 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I wonder... When the receivers (tuners) industry will start (mass productio= n) to produce digital (software) processing radios? ??? All this boring issues about IF filters, notch filtering, etc. could be don= e into the digital domain (like the WiNRADiO device does), with a more accu= rated approaching and (I hope) at a cheap prices. Just a humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote: > > I have MC13020's new that I don' t need- but I have no ceramic filters. >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPod >=20 > On Jul 11, 2012, at 9:10 AM, "toledohamradio" wrote: >=20 > > I have seen the MC13020P for sale on eBay several times recently.=20 > >=20 > > If for some reason you cannot locate one, I may have one as part of a b= roken AMS radio that I can send you.=20 > >=20 > > I also suggest the 7.5 I.F. filter if you can find one anymore. > >=20 > > Getting a GM Delco UX1 car radio (with 10KHz AM steps) that runs on 12V= DC is the easiest way to get quality AM Stereo quickly. > >=20 > > 73 > > John > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 23:49:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6996 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2012 06:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2012 06:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.148) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2012 06:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2012 06:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2012 06:49:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 06:49:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 200.54.132.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.54.132.193 From: "Jota" Subject: A non direct related issue, but... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Mw8zIYDzpgJXtIRYHAnjdewtVk6wzyuInb0WYWyUOKstUUOWZw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I discovered an specific problem in my PC I don't know how to fix. The problem wasn't here one or two weeks ago and I suspect it is because th= e last Windows XP updating, but it is just my feeling, I'm not sure. The problem is about Adobe Audition 1.5, specifically when I record audio b= y more than 4 minutes. If the recording passes that point, randomly, the vi= sible live updating of the sound wave is cut for a moment (one second or tw= o) then it comes back and go. It can occur a lot of times (it looks like th= e program takes a short rest). Well, now the real weird thing: sometimes the recording itself isn't affect= ed by the "rest", but sometimes... the resulting audio is distorted (in a v= ery "digital" way, with a rare echo). What's happened here? Why it is now? As I said, one or two weeks ago, when = I recorded a vinyl record (more than 4 minutes, of course) I didn't have an= y kind of problems, so... What it is? ??? BTW: I wonder if somebody knows if there is a way to monitoring the result = saved audio (not the input audio) when we are saving something with the PC = (like the old 3 heads analog tape decks). How? ??? Thanks a lot for your help!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Jul 12 00:04:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14815 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2012 07:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2012 07:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wg0-f45.google.com) (74.125.82.45) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2012 07:04:55 -0000 X-Received: by wgbdt14 with SMTP id dt14so1605239wgb.26 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:04:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.216.166.197 with SMTP id g47mr20243194wel.179.1342076694397; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:04:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.82.98 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:04:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:04:54 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.82.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non direct related issue, but... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=MdpV4dCnC-Ee4zhOFaXICkOqwPD0irt06dj7fAUsyOr_Qywn X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jota, I'm not sure how the monitoring would be done apart from using other software to play back your resultant file as it is recording. Have you checked your CPU and memory usage while you are recording? On 12 July 2012 14:49, Jota wrote: > ** > > > Hi gang!!! > > I discovered an specific problem in my PC I don't know how to fix. > > The problem wasn't here one or two weeks ago and I suspect it is because > the last Windows XP updating, but it is just my feeling, I'm not sure. > > The problem is about Adobe Audition 1.5, specifically when I record audio > by more than 4 minutes. If the recording passes that point, randomly, the > visible live updating of the sound wave is cut for a moment (one second o= r > two) then it comes back and go. It can occur a lot of times (it looks lik= e > the program takes a short rest). > > Well, now the real weird thing: sometimes the recording itself isn't > affected by the "rest", but sometimes... the resulting audio is distorted > (in a very "digital" way, with a rare echo). > > What's happened here? Why it is now? As I said, one or two weeks ago, whe= n > I recorded a vinyl record (more than 4 minutes, of course) I didn't have > any kind of problems, so... What it is? ??? > > BTW: I wonder if somebody knows if there is a way to monitoring the resul= t > saved audio (not the input audio) when we are saving something with the P= C > (like the old 3 heads analog tape decks). How? ??? > > Thanks a lot for your help!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 12 05:25:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28370 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2012 12:25:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2012 12:25:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2012 12:25:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2012 12:25:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2012 12:25:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:25:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: A non direct related issue, but... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=e8oc0wM85caBzyYrGRez3-RqGKwfsBTFvkOFhG_caDLI-4GjjDRRosk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Adobe Audition / Cool Edit are memory hogs; there should be a selection to = allow you to 'clear out' or 'clean out' a lot of memory resident items, so = do that. Are you using a full version? If it's a demo version, it is crippled after a short track length. It does not like Windows 7 at all either, as you end-up losing features whe= n you move it from your old computer to a new one, like you can't rip your = voice-overs from a CD anymore. (at least that's a feature I lost was being = able to pull tracks I previously recorded on a CD back off the CD player an= d into AA). John From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 18:53:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60316 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2012 01:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2012 01:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm9-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.139) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2012 01:53:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 01:53:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.160] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 01:53:35 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 01:53:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 517950.44610.bm@omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 91281 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2012 01:53:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IWL5vHIVM1mMDPC7vPaR1dobp_QNBkMSjaxpdRE4U3xSfd6 JR4HIsJcYofhnGb5wDkDc97FGBsm_UQLxKqZwtnNyydJ65LaWaz69tMMwTsF PMHsXGnWSs9Srv8_M95x_NS_bU_CE07WiI38tAl4OOWATZF.v63rUmVilrma iYuuSYptRK2GXKgFo4CPI6iJj09yRpgVJ6etoKjUxOIEMxtNylBFqrhC5lMn tWg7dCm7bkclhEQX8XJz7JtqZGEznc1_SqNh2Q6oP6cYwbTf7JRLcyfZ.09T vfIeRV6CtRiBeTWCv9MocxYFGlyP9FSlHlo7rSi5DPKiH5zxoSsunPHCet5B dPjhV2NMHhNocvop6zUqGNmLPxWHp_L_Hneruh1Vg0OyYCEMGDYkHlKeiZZe Mijo8DYEPAZzRK32ufswXjoYvF1j6Gm9ZI1.EVbyngy12yztfHMP6FFF2zMv GhEUouRhjSQ-- X-Received: from [96.233.87.18] by web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:53:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342576415.34436.YahooMailClassic@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:53:35 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Latest station list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=mi28NUGxm9_k5qBqnCOWy9vbbyCaDN615wL9IecmB9qZScp5dr8G X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We lost 35 stations, 97, down from 132.=A0 All of Central America & most of= South America is now gone.=A0 I think all of Africa is gone too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@centurytel.net Tue Jul 17 19:35:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@centurytel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84800 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2012 02:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2012 02:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.38) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2012 02:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 02:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 02:35:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:35:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1342576415.34436.YahooMailClassic@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.121.167.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.121.167.166 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: Latest station list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=348428246; y=8aAbxKuspQRQjZmgvjKiiekxCbIDwXkk9A9BIsyk4o4iWlIhFA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Where can we find the list? Kevin --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > We lost 35 stations, 97, down from 132.=A0 All of Central America & most = of South America is now gone.=A0 I think all of Africa is gone too. >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From boogie350@yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 21:24:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81113 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2012 04:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2012 04:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm20-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.150) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2012 04:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 04:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.11] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 04:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 04:24:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 480972.79604.bm@omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 69402 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2012 04:24:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MAIsnHYVM1kQI2CcmmHfiNrIPWah3HMREGgF8imjhjlB1Ck dlveQ4kTCtrnx.ImL2ea6qkMgv0wFZc8Fx_J3qZN.dK9ykChQfBmyOLrRVAD W70T7TFAmvo9hTWIA4RQ6Rrr0OMhKpTl5axn.BZlDs0GHytnzxHn8txQBvR1 .1tdhR4g_15sTz.NScG0kC4DPaLkrTk1OBroAIeNjiXY97fXBBL.3a6EUZjw z3cnj3UY0QSWwgdGutxjgwbS0k2AZr1jxzzvUqsO0MTzYHFS8nUPZcITJb2E NzQ3Pz3EAjILAevbCqyMxuz7MP1hfXT2L54gnFd.baIACDt7ouFo7plZVC.e itbXcNvZeVs9sMh78krZyfWMFQXEHfWIjuWpXAGNqgM0cwx7GITKNVr3rFMe rhv2Vp7nFKA9FMWzdsbe2t_R_God.ixfK2dnClPxuWNBjRYlB1rzVHxXxAf4 0 X-Received: from [24.11.64.87] by web121106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:24:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342585467.44745.YahooMailClassic@web121106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:24:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Subject: Re: A non direct related issue, but... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=xeNftggrrpG4gqFOwKr9SZWKa5-1HQBhZ6zIEoPinZf-ia4k X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I'm setting up a dedicated editing workstation for ripping and editing a= udio files using Audition/CEP, I do the following: Set up hard drive with 2 partitions...12GB for Windows (C) and the rest for= files and apps (D).=20 1- Clean install of Win2000 Pro or XP Pro on "C" drive, without Internet Ex= plorer or Windows media player. 2- Install motherboard, graphic and audio card drivers. 3- Install DirectX 9.0c redistributable package. 4- Install CEP/Audition, Set up temp files on "D" drive. 5- Install DeFraggler (Nice freeware defrag utility). Set up auto-defrag to= run in the middle of the night via task scheduler. 6- Install Irfranview (freeware image viewer/editor for scanning and croppi= ng record labels, etc). 7- Install Flac plug-in for CEP (and any other dll's you'll need for whatev= er file formats). 8- MP3Tag and AudioTester (for tagging and testing MP3/FLAC files).=20 9-=A0 Install 2Xplorer (freeware twin-pane file manager great for syncing f= olders and copying files). 10- Disable ALL unneeded services and bloatware.=20 This setup can run wonderfully on older hardware, like a AMD Athlon XP1700+= or P4 1.5GHz with a gig of ram. You can literally rescue hardware like thi= s from a dumpster or find it on ebay for less than $30. Any computer geek p= robably has a dozen of them in their garage. Throw in an old Radeon AGP car= d for $10 and a decent sound card (I happen to like the SB Live as a real c= heap card with minimal jitter artifacts, especially with the KX project dri= vers, if you don't need balanced outputs),=A0=20 Nice, dedicated audio box for practically free.=20 I use the same approach to build playout boxes, merely replacing CEP with Z= araradio or Foobar2000, or whatever playout/automation software floats your= boat. These two are great freeware that with a bit of tweaking and a few p= lug-ins, can flow very smoothly.=20 Oh, I also DISABLE AUTO-UPDATE on Windoze. I just use a USB Wifi adapter wh= en I have to transfer files, and lock these boxes off the internet through = the router so it just has LAN access.=20 I can't count how many times I've seen a windows auto-update total out a wo= rking system, requiring a format. My editors and playout boxes never touch = the internet, so I never bother to update windows on them. If it ain't brok= e, don't let Microshaft break it for you! :). Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter h= ogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good= thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let = me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. 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Kevin --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > We lost 35 stations, 97, down from 132.=C2=A0 All of Central America & mo= st of South America is now gone.=C2=A0 I think all of Africa is gone too. >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 20 15:05:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20369 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2012 22:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2012 22:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-02.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.152) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2012 22:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120720170524101729500011> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:05:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <5009D622.2040609@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:05:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:05:24 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1342576415.34436.YahooMailClassic@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1342576415.34436.YahooMailClassic@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120720-0, 07/20/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Latest station list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=AbRVoOXm-QXtXJaZtZytCggo7Qw5lsv0f6WMx4r629Lg04hgMvNO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/17/2012 8:53 PM, JNR wrote: > We lost 35 stations, 97, down from 132. All of Central America & most > of South America is now gone. I think all of Africa is gone too. I recently read where KWLO (Waterloo IA) was being flipped from oldies to sports. It was in a group of stations that was sold not too long ago. Doubtless the stereo is gone there too. Scott Todd From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Jul 21 09:58:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6992 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2012 16:57:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2012 16:57:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gg0-f171.google.com) (209.85.161.171) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2012 16:57:58 -0000 X-Received: by ggmi1 with SMTP id i1so8884552ggm.16 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.242.73 with SMTP id wo9mr7123344igc.1.1342889878288; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.231.245.2 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:57:58 -0400 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: KCSR 610 Chadron, NE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=RHKUg-yMmPDYcgmy8XtYjxTUtxRua1-u32mwDEVa6THkOW8AxgQ3ZDY- X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know some of you out there in radio land like jingles/imaging and small town radio like I do. I share this courtesy of Jon Ellis at Northpine.com.... Some imaging and jingles from "Stereo AM 610" KCSR Chadron, NE http://www.northpine.com/broadcast/audio/kcsr02042012_1400.mp3 Paul Walker Ridgway, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 24 15:40:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9265 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2012 22:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2012 22:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.137) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2012 22:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2012 22:40:40 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2012 22:40:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.97] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2012 22:40:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2012 22:40:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 561843.68714.bm@omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 26844 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2012 22:40:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: O0qkXsIVM1m7hzPZVilIxz_G1QzRIlzy6Nn7bVke87C3T00 dJNxisqFPbyKyJ_95pnI58QyHsaWfEBopG.wJws5051aeoNbkXEMxMkLNFaG tm4c1lefpK.ZEjoVzWyObApb1wNPfNXfGa6hVQkq9b7B_1YXUXpJyPyD9Eo0 kn1adbHAWyiRfXS8GlsSQVBo_Nbp1gO1Lc8veXCTOMX7VV0143ggh4HUEIhI lxHvEmrK.Ds2bCsHgd6Md14w.xOzySP4_mICtU.ILKJFD737h9nt0PFPpOsu dHnpIRlge5vGxjWqXEmK0.V_IOBVWzFzJon3RBhew0XIYC_epXnE9Z9f9sRn IfmVM9PkIjuVbPEMe62aFGkC_7JwVqjysnbcZXK5WSrYYaEdkUfLWM7Zg83P CucXYXASc9zlCptkeRKr8SWoKFfvE9.MQNgm9y2Urzk69xaCRR6HdEqBepWy Ma2eDmH2VLg7X7OwnzSkS9Ri_USguj9Q6dEG7OWX5pX8- X-Received: from [68.72.217.250] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:40:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1343169640.22925.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=rmvS6GxPCKZBieLHWh-UpFRRdMcKlmtO69XId1OuT59aBY8BgnLgXgtepZDwD1_JCx3FYKvM X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang=A0 Wow!!!!! Its been quite=A0 here for a wile.=A0=A0 I know=A0I ,ve= talked about this before but i can't remmber what the antser was.=A0 If yo= u make a loading coil larger in diamader do you need to make the loadig coi= l with=A0more or less=A0turns?=A0My A.L TX is now set for 1500 AM. Dose any= one know what fixed cap.=A0i need for the loading coil?=A0Thanks Gang Jim = Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 25 08:55:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34196 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2012 15:55:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2012 15:55:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.55) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2012 15:55:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 15:55:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2012 15:55:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:55:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1343169640.22925.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=FS18y75gwSnuf8xTiM3AlGjBNdN_LtCAEDb84fQsqJnQ2IqBzT0i4qY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Half an answer for you: depends on the size of the wire or metal tubing tha= t you're using as well and the number of turns and the coil diameter - so a= lot of factors; maybe somebody can chime in on what you can do, and what i= s legal for Part 15. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jim smith wrote: > If you make a loading coil larger in diamader do you need to make the loa= dig coil with=A0more or less=A0turns?=A0My A.L TX is now set for 1500 AM.=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 25 20:45:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89925 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2012 03:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2012 03:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm9-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.139) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2012 03:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 03:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 03:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.116] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 03:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 03:45:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 260073.73225.bm@omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 14622 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2012 03:45:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: huIP27sVM1k.w7XxZVylXkx5334NJfB.DRrZPHFBycCAtDU RvQ6iS53cnXPZz_4MA.pr39EZVv2rmfUO2gQe0SCrpM3mOd02k4WX.SnZdpM mOmaUt4me72rPdwSZH1WG8hb52cousofpDUxYqayf93T_ne8WfkgemvJDgDi t6TFmUJ..bQdTIj_kuPgpcYLh68dTjcMQuXsWG4rk6.TeyYGHbdle1qpKxjb W2kgQN3BpRjupcTkwEKpOEYVFcyLx6HLyFkHSaH.CEM1pv52W4vMWKbL5Ecf RD0Vt3V79vyAQWlnbD9QHQ4ARKClg1QYsGjW5Op40lGYTmwUi1wTCyNwWZ_C 8gwtf0mZ2kXj1ZaWfPr4yoxYykL8AFAFzlgcz7n7yNK1wVRg1JrsQHPtc2Pp RmqrWHPpe3iBczjxEqYzfJD0fw_.0q7soEq0OtzBDfwx8ioxe1vFVEJ6vqWm P7d_YTte9iFGz4FUqotYF56mWE7wCKvfrQaWWJysfNhDLF_pKLRd7QSlUSvS Rk5WzuaFrKLxQU_G6tCwPzgQedVItMOvgWJPxHv3Q5gAQdK27RifVWMGI0_g qmFv60d8ga1Gk77FdSAtuLeeHjtr7AkhLEf7byc5eosLUd_MMV3f6d5eON4r 7SHualBiucfuo.Nv_k9OncrlZM6X0G9hgEipdztDfcTbLW_IIQ05fO9cgyl4 QZnYqnNcZ6vIPtC0POFOwUE7PSZ.kk1xI6NBTBOxOqnmUfWKtbumNEvE3UZp JamJth0xNtJsaWNPbnXQ49ubGuURc3HewRIHYORebuMbF7CC_hLfgLKWpu.7 A0QBDpfVqoHSkAykZySg7GbSP0.hKZUcYHIJj3E7FuVSRfcjAGI5FPDjET7R HSz_4LxLiXuYj0lnJvNWCNjr2OdKUYARAN0mloNvt2bJL72kHG4r2lN5Z9XG I5neWiel3xH7oDdXTlo7Ml9tWIKiZM4HL3cWoOT4MxgydityudyNixMbB.kU yAFY0QX27YuiJyxfB6_SdBLNKfSxT2j.kL9P09_DIo6VdacsA.ZiNDhcQJwD CKNUv5zclBD.zXOk8x9CvbXBSMhJCRMy4lfCl07G9TAOSvpHzr.UCku9bqt5 9QYMdtl90.FfXuY4zrTSVF82SVX5oqjSszeih_em4XV8sTouAbzVmDjC.tj2 MXMxJz8zc0dUcSP0vTQlZVoCIec2CoYAaqKBR3mCgv48bkAvlk84e0rQacT7 P99eCRGLv_1EBX_cUERs3FI4CBG8d5QGc5uSK_HxHqhBezzEHAPgxB.rMdR0 zJ2Kt38RW.7R49MUYuGOqPDGJRB8v7hBy7.Oo7GoFQBQpu.NZxHf.k29pwNi agDYvlPl0JROhJ1djeUF4TMeSy_vyU0ZhqbGWc524Lp2PxmdiLwwMZn8vckH 7U3eO1Fg77gI4tVAIMqG2Ieeqqg9fVVvAEbpaExkfEY7dv2BkL2.kPRfixOu v.qHg4ZYjexPZvuQUgrD.nhb_fEvPdiqjGO3bXSrBqeE5hTNWRjYv_O.eRip Vt6PfsU1Bzzua8YRKEA5iX68diXSwPsZqVbwiL7JZKuBEDOU.qy4o4N9tV.3 TpGmZc7j7_50uauvAO2LBEuKYpfVNgXHCMeZtX5ckwRNT4Nn_g6LI1Q.qxnG cNggSiDrjyeW0oNb14x3z_caYXRIugTPRTTi7gUh2Ps02.blXJyt.6p9IlRe XgkC0GVKjI7H.gODJOeh4kckCqWdbrEF0vh2i6U1CtbzIiPJ58MnWd_FVTDz 572qzgRgBDuEqof3a5dppYCvzy0fB2YyjmWWEJhVYQegEpUtwhwsXPduqHpI ST01qNWxVr.ZNXELn8gQrIEtlNeqyxyyPZvBCCsQlDjI6mZ_C5x1i05imHUr cWfIJdr.eyi_.jsV0diAYVvDKpB0qtiFJ9jY5PhlQGN7GahPlHEkDktIY.7h NQoEPuS2ZX.GZ2VQ- X-Received: from [68.72.216.42] by web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1343274319.11080.YahooMailClassic@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:45:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=dvbAfg5jN9npmMVRCpn4wCw7AaueRknF_p_zSYT1z_Fju3nk5s8ceZpUv7YpV__QnTfmvDBs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Yes thats what i was trying to ask. Jim Smith --- On Wed, 7/25/12, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 8:55 AM =C2=A0=20 Half an answer for you: depends on the size of the wire or metal tubing tha= t you're using as well and the number of turns and the coil diameter - so a= lot of factors; maybe somebody can chime in on what you can do, and what i= s legal for Part 15. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jim smith wrote: > If you make a loading coil larger in diamader do you need to make the loa= dig coil with=C2=A0more or less=C2=A0turns?=C2=A0My A.L TX is now set for 1= 500 AM.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jul 26 07:41:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24398 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2012 14:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2012 14:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-02.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.152) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2012 14:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120726094043102822800011> for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:40:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <501156DF.2050701@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:40:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:40:43 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1343274319.11080.YahooMailClassic@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1343274319.11080.YahooMailClassic@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120726-0, 07/26/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QVMwFUnReCQkfnM7XeZs7i5SwR2lfDliCVg64bsCbq9cPZfvvjBP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/25/2012 10:45 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Yes thats what i was trying to ask. Jim Smith > > --- On Wed, 7/25/12, toledohamradio > wrote: > > From: toledohamradio > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 8:55 AM > > > > Half an answer for you: depends on the size of the wire or metal tubing > that you're using as well and the number of turns and the coil diameter > - so a lot of factors; maybe somebody can chime in on what you can do, > and what is legal for Part 15. The bigger the diameter the fewer the turns. Larger wire is preferred over smaller due to less loss, though for these power levels you likely wouldn't need anything real big, 18 gauge at the most. 20 or 22 might suffice. Whatever you do, don't use black PVC pipe for your coil form. It's got carbon in it and will absorb the radio energy. If you can find an empty plastic bottle that's #5 or #6 plastic, that's one of the best types you can use. 1, 2, and 4 are also good. Can't help you on the capacitor, but if you can find an old radio and pull the variable cap out of it why not use that and set it for strongest signal? Scott Todd From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 26 15:36:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34046 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2012 22:36:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2012 22:36:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm24.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.94) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2012 22:36:21 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.22.77] by nm24.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 22:36:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by tm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 22:33:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.112] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 22:33:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 22:33:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 479389.92603.bm@omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87242 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2012 22:33:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1fO65jQVM1n4eczItkr4Yp.1cQmMhfyv_IRy9V9Q5.2XcQ5 yy2AHBMPD.H1sRdoI4B9Fa0StrOcLuU4_SmrVEvv5CnGYeCO6ekpgj.n5zRs zAznMnNObaK_DiDCpBnKxr.d1O3JnKQ_DwCm97NSD_B10vX_7jpIlbZN3USC OybHWl5qkk3lTCtsTUBzcc9qgfVBqzuth6if8UOWBGptPXpUvouLUAbY_VTj 5a3naubQH5GAi.EPLhXLfVSMWjGM1aX.4i8xnUUlH63b74lZKP1qw22enKiV IPvu792k3XwTXFbXnbl_hrPBoRQ3RDdko.rFmNWcc7ZmYRhu0pzZcNpQ_AQA FEOwH9GRRCxqvURgdRKF4MB2_FG_EVklhqsmFT6UI_nPJbgQVpldy_cy2uA9 _cu4zEOdmEALJ9o2YiIDr8wo1YDACLkWZweCY6MLbRscWgzUw17gepNSKHZg vKjvN3b0S2CrNqMjnWT3ykhzr7IGr4PJlSdoiuwX0eGMF_k1GVU7BgWydTZm fY7NNtR3lIHIAe8zPyOypHMN8UOxfnisp7fD8GjScR_7OFmqeRl2SGmU8lql rWV0M8ihqDpk6iiZaQ.dW624zCpD5h2zT9us7Ubf3feNND2UndStKGwgkNZ2 LJ28KxRXT46QxtY9Lc7M.fFEnMPSPIWgEwCShQ1JM26_gnhof_kvIa0V9jJ_ 2BhNbENF28OnjNrPIHpgC_W9b0otOIk45EpJOQWCly_9cJRem7v1tCGbUbhM RS08hUD0SbG4vVrv7D0d3gX6nzXg.Hb1xRGgWRNqpfOHRtBIl9Q0tsSSSfE5 pWd.36rZa.GtGdNbHwqUfneUg3NvzNCQdue7tPauDEbM9pmvbCHZ65jNvgRC 3KwZBu5I.o0EvilSA93UCntmZHbhoFICD66QyBM.VSygdNlo_MTkxhzbMr6j vXlbUJKbkaiSwLuUbQVi57HdWyIZcfyORMHmQi9uBfJfaXcSOufUmiwSnLQa _CaLp5Iyry2WwOTf81PA6YiVsAmXu.0VBvR90Q65BExwHFjp6RfH9fWueR43 r7oV8iFIdbN98YrH03vKtGq6gmdpb0Rv3xqgHzqdfqT8wDOrhbd.un9ifGgo dkZF7JlEg5DFahZQ8bUAKPSu3ErA34kX4A.BbfRnv6ZdC5_lwKCUgZ5yOkF3 nix602sll5M4tGU1UIC.925Nxk.ZdYp89fnSjnpqyaybMEfLqsjrhQ75Rm2i sliV.wrOF1xuXY4.22Zelba1K19eq4dBBGeULLpBXCRqlwn3sr5TMw9iKG0r oWHWhARhdWRbZ2FLUnDq1jb_kfJUc4SHroREUTy_nR9aIUcIg.jwy2QK9jUM 6AZnZ1ybYdDdvT95HYxMmrEzP4D6WWvN80VFJWMCrkJecJKHs9jAPTS2z2Ug L5ZtketMByw97_9aMaQfERy0B4sbOUbIKJn1zf9UMPlyyZ5zFDwPlznbngic VnOkon1ty3Ielh_5URD0oNJ0.xefkfHVBHiGBCpRpi20CpVwIJ7j0Az0nhmY d.D7fjKyRXzgc._R4E7urY2cV9o4e19YmN41S3YbJwLtms9tMI5ZG2T_5Lu3 BeIKT3fkHmH_2tZHtcldeDYK0JCRbO02AB9RZOmeRZsQtHBRn9ByG5K496lB VJagpki8VEXG5qDPmyY13nXkNwE1rn.m7u1oAU5XGHAYZm4wUsrXApEdclbd OuTDCJctoItU_CndzVQMb1WVfj2R_W49H2kiUEnFaN6wOZVb7pzEot6yOtV4 YHTM9pW6.KVqoYvBxYvlx9V4FjJ0sFUX0lyyja5GdJAP5GOq40vXe6oCi_Pa 2X6uUyPmMrriSkqKOk_vA5R5lzYmfWM4j7daPqpDPEQnZvZRjZ70Ok0SyUVE F6JHSrloLsaZRdF65e1ZF7X9rjkArowIaZb2AVMhAZ3IBQDniRF_gsy9n.Fl 6It4MM4nsuEZsuRtM9Q7AK144Y5MYS5r1xBQoak5xjsLQ.aIhr3U9gA_nLoV aanL65j.XbH8TmQHmxkxpLX_k7KEjGmFx3j3Q817rCiu_mx67hojclOpSFKS AYa2NiqhKQNU5uc_Z2xm1L1xkpov4JicfRP3WuxHJFXh7 X-Received: from [71.155.147.215] by web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 15:33:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1343342000.8009.YahooMailClassic@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 15:33:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: <501156DF.2050701@usfamily.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=-8vJIwTqArzkRx5ANDouyegB_CGwBTQPJiSbV8TxSFk4UPupqlEUSrDhD84xlOu_U8Lg3KCF X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Scott=C2=A0 Thank you Scott.=C2=A0 That was the answer i was looking for= . i have veryus sizes to use. You said a soda bottles? Would that be a 1 l= etter bottle? I have a pvc pipe thats close to a toilet paper role. Chris C= uff said hudered and twenty five turns for that one with fine wire. I have = other sizes to try also like a 1 lb=C2=A0 plastic coffee can and 3 lb plast= ic coffe can a 2 1/2 in cardboard tube. Thanks Jim Smth =C2=A0 --- On Thu, 7/26/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 26, 2012, 7:40 AM =C2=A0=20 On 7/25/2012 10:45 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Yes thats what i was trying to ask. Jim Smith > > --- On Wed, 7/25/12, toledohamradio > wrote: > > From: toledohamradio > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 8:55 AM > > > > Half an answer for you: depends on the size of the wire or metal tubing > that you're using as well and the number of turns and the coil diameter > - so a lot of factors; maybe somebody can chime in on what you can do, > and what is legal for Part 15. The bigger the diameter the fewer the turns. Larger wire is preferred=20 over smaller due to less loss, though for these power levels you likely=20 wouldn't need anything real big, 18 gauge at the most. 20 or 22 might=20 suffice. Whatever you do, don't use black PVC pipe for your coil form.=20 It's got carbon in it and will absorb the radio energy. If you can=20 find an empty plastic bottle that's #5 or #6 plastic, that's one of the=20 best types you can use. 1, 2, and 4 are also good. Can't help you on the capacitor, but if you can find an old radio and=20 pull the variable cap out of it why not use that and set it for=20 strongest signal? Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jul 29 20:58:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75055 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2012 03:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2012 03:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-10.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.170) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2012 03:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120729225743102755100011> for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:57:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50160632.5020108@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:57:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:57:43 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1343342000.8009.YahooMailClassic@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1343342000.8009.YahooMailClassic@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Vov2MQKt-suDmohvnbh6qcWKjmGzkEI1equ-tRZznS5En1U-IwGb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/26/2012 5:36 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Scott Thank you Scott. That was the answer i was looking for . i > have veryus sizes to use. You said a soda bottles? Would that be a 1 > letter bottle? Yep, though I'd suggest a shampoo bottle because for whatever reason they tend to have thicker plastic and it'll make for a smaller coil. I'd have to sample one of Chris's coils to know how much inductance it has to know how many turns you'd need on a larger form, so I can't tell you how much wire to use right now. Scott From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 30 08:43:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91396 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2012 15:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2012 15:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.178) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2012 15:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2012 15:42:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2012 15:42:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:42:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50160632.5020108@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: New CQUAM Radios from Japan still available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=LTRNps669GB031AjJkR-zeYwGUmz1ZVwD2JlPHKFq5mWl9jCrE392g4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I was pleased to see that you can still purchase 3 brand new CQUAM radios f= rom Japan (Sony), but can somebody bring us up to date on the audio quality= of those three models from Sony? AX15 AV51=20 SRF-A300 Thanks, John From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jul 30 08:57:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24679 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2012 15:57:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2012 15:57:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gh0-f182.google.com) (209.85.160.182) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2012 15:57:23 -0000 X-Received: by ghbz22 with SMTP id z22so5798772ghb.13 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:57:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.158.229 with SMTP id wx5mr8746085igb.23.1343663842389; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.43.137 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.43.137 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:57:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <50160632.5020108@usfamily.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:57:22 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Radios from Japan still available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=of3pJo27mNxHyGX9o8NhjSyDcdQ6kniylEmWS0_uXtxScHyq X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John. I have the ax15. The sound is fairly nice compared to standard AM radios. I can record something later if you like. Dan On Jul 30, 2012 11:43 PM, "toledohamradio" wrote= : > ** > > > I was pleased to see that you can still purchase 3 brand new CQUAM radios > from Japan (Sony), but can somebody bring us up to date on the audio > quality of those three models from Sony? > AX15 > AV51 > SRF-A300 > > Thanks, > John > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keith1226@yahoo.com Mon Jul 30 10:44:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11329 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2012 17:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2012 17:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm26-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.156) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2012 17:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2012 17:44:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.194] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2012 17:44:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2012 17:44:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 777920.53943.bm@omp1052.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81070 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2012 17:44:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ODtQptcVM1kEsR9tHs8u0VIl0TU1if.TtQtYiQRJ8Es.iMj ThoUsjtIOIDb6WcxFmFcTGJ1.dYBOC4ZbKvqm7.tPwoZMfvL6JJn0pGEh6aM 5V9aYopj7RYT5Ka8V4d6TR2CoQW_SFKzdLl972msV54tVuUyb2e7.VhOxCz4 ib1MSg7vaUvvqh7GWC_onc8hbZKD_nc.4f4lPmtODgo3usMyTVltZCeciNc3 P3oaJiADIYiDgCbLUpDpoalKy67kSjiMHVLdIKQrvrXkPgF9FA3FATlmi9Rr 1_8lUgaQtgLSIP4dhUigoD9qayUiAnAYexeRrdMS_WI8Y60eb8C2QeCo8TZW AWlXqGYGCD6MYuGYmLn6h1v0uC2Lh83pJDCUr2H99rBqu28w2D2q2QCEDhXR XTlIOWbhMwgorjV0qV7m5wtjZqpg.mog7c7spEkhjRWhqXbORjmDGFXM.0y1 ZqUyfqHaKezjwDuRExkK6.EFtUgEUFd4jCj4YRSFR_vUwlR24FLDRBLYLPl3 SU7sdukwFR8hQS0LCGu.dzlwMAWDtoOEVhToWdiwrApw4Y6VJWHNNu1qqp9P e1igdKLbnG7Omx6gAbQYEBPYH2VcAdVEamStNJIpLKAImy.78ZD0vA7DimSi IAZmg3NgJfSdyGRwpJCGQilrl.2OQjQjS264icw0qaQKVpnRtWlq1UJoaa7E Cs3uJp3qRip7i8kYWp4P3C4EhqS.s66ClXZQLxALkiyK_lv6p4JHgfqODQKc rwVGieOaIw51q8xHdu3ADTj28NUSCIsGkwtJjioze8LCc6unw_VdBvhG7_pW Ix8QaPJsJXq3zCErzSzUzZyxTSILMXSLs4RQwdvKTDVrTiOIAx.CYY8kGFvZ T_W5V5r1EIE64.DKkNZl2MjCkHCnIXzpnMr3jyuv8vYxVu9p4g8GRE.zU0H0 nx5g1hj4emW52gg3U3XCcvZ3SC70n704py88zn_vFJ3PRLOrL9Jo4DAm_3WV FKKHt.XtLd76YPeszEmSfH9tG8pacQxW_pGeN3uDk59ARwH70KHc9fJff84f zCBXOgwx8elHjKmF9cQpsFRhA5o9srbkh72NwySI3BTCO15qzlLaQEgZMKb6 ZRpTTE9zCvhZPk37sZ9wCX2NJMwgTvGHDu7zdtH.VXy8TfTcH X-Received: from [76.22.24.103] by web122605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:44:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <50160632.5020108@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1343670268.73040.YahooMailNeo@web122605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:44:28 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith beesley Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Radios from Japan still available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=sgl67Q0SPqMhAmHT_k1kNujKnK3WT9mDu6BkvTnWYbrbaNeY X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John,=A0 Here's a fairly detailed review of the AX-15:=A0http://markrobt.tumblr.com/= post/5888020344/radios-i-have-known-sony-srf-ax15 I have two of the HD =A0(IBOC) receivers pictured on this page, the Accuria= n and the Radiosophy:=A0http://mysite.verizon.net/tekel/amstereo/radios.htm I can't vouch for their ability to receive C-QUAM AM stereo as there are no= stations broadcasting C-QUAM in my area, but both are generally pretty poo= r on AM, although both work well on FM. The Accurian (now discontinued but = available secondhand) is the better-sounding of the two. =A0 Keith ________________________________ From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 8:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} New CQUAM Radios from Japan still available =20 I was pleased to see that you can still purchase 3 brand new CQUAM radios f= rom Japan (Sony), but can somebody bring us up to date on the audio quality= of those three models from Sony? AX15 AV51=20 SRF-A300 Thanks, John ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Jul 30 15:11:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47299 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2012 22:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2012 22:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.207) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2012 22:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W36 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:10:59 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:10:59 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1343670268.73040.YahooMailNeo@web122605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <50160632.5020108@usfamily.net> ,<1343670268.73040.YahooMailNeo@web122605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2012 22:10:59.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[32DF7360:01CD6EA0] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} New CQUAM Radios from Japan still available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=H9qkJVzinJexyYf9r8cpKAF6tXPfXnAxkNfp0zhDLvUFRZVMaYShy8Un Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable These are all now discontinued per Audiocubes. If there is another seller, = please let us know. Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: keith1226@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:44:28 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Radios from Japan still available =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 John,=20 Here's a fairly detailed review of the AX-15: http://markrobt.tumblr.com/po= st/5888020344/radios-i-have-known-sony-srf-ax15 I have two of the HD (IBOC) receivers pictured on this page, the Accurian = and the Radiosophy: http://mysite.verizon.net/tekel/amstereo/radios.htm I can't vouch for their ability to receive C-QUAM AM stereo as there are no= stations broadcasting C-QUAM in my area, but both are generally pretty poo= r on AM, although both work well on FM. The Accurian (now discontinued but = available secondhand) is the better-sounding of the two.=20=20 Keith ________________________________ From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 8:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} New CQUAM Radios from Japan still available =20 I was pleased to see that you can still purchase 3 brand new CQUAM radios f= rom Japan (Sony), but can somebody bring us up to date on the audio quality= of those three models from Sony? AX15 AV51=20 SRF-A300 Thanks, John ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 31 02:12:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20859 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2012 09:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2012 09:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.82) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2012 09:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.22.77] by nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2012 09:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2012 09:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.107] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2012 09:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2012 09:12:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 413770.78792.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 98016 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2012 09:12:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A0Int.EVM1mitcr9Aj.WR.hmugH2jizxcE5rFYLUGgU0mUF IQVQicG6FsiLZdIrP_SqWV5oxLltSc4znXINGL5iovDHHVNYAun.__VH8OxJ ZQ76GzVcXkjR6X8.HqYC7Z3TtUKCd64hiudmq1H7CEIYArFAiRi_g2MoHSeu zrowJqajIf5mK5J5k.80g8CY3N6m32xiw_8mlumKihVj.f8FviXNFxnjoZhn bh8XI95NnTO0N90cCNTTZRQGEzH_Ha_jj3bnwztTUWkm6rC2hGi5hgHCJfRs YGMywjD2HSh1CuhkOb599i8iMbK.1WJ7tbxoFDvHH74AJ9iMv0k.JWMCD.9m lYqQeSJb9HELcsEAINHJF43TRlI5PUhjHswhrR53x4bzx71Uz_2tLlauZxyl v1IDZdAtKpGdC1F.PldHxw35SNeKKLZLsEkr7wWh_gLFm0JmstXbcdqUulse uUdLY12hDrxcARwU1HwnCITNYQgbtE.T1nW5Btf4jnYSaIRGIDNhf9JFTbD7 N5n7zTTCTEDvlqoUJiJeRTVJ1dNITdMMWHmKVsEmKazN3FmajVAkAZ4vzsuA lSUO7g_mcgQPLJRTME1sWh_0Lr3Bi_8b_V.yo5p3R5qUKSlGcJ.YY98zRYJ8 a7ttWhDn7FW9plm.ZGp49TE2s477jPVckFm1aotb.e8oJ5EFoxW9Zz1kK8jH dwlOSraVcsnj1jmFwMV9wjpeDvn7kyW2wYBTWPhOwuOnzZ8eHbNf7Im93zHn j2uc8O19TahBcdjPYF0_bmedOjcl4bi7Wl62qUMH2xuk3AzfCqEFmRw.D1L1 U8O8vmuXJ_wuyXkbeZhp6wOHlFAbhS7ObrqGcdD8nav1_f8ByA3QaoTs_VDC xXB.odH_mP5A62FdslnqIMj1IdKKK5oV0u4R5k2M1BFogrUcK8ModN7KTbTq Tbxm0bsr8pPSzaWK4_.7r7D.pTQqyFvzXwmW9pmNZMs.NDtuBiqlR.jcyANs xFF7rV_M0wzkIzUuPkgFPjj49fjFpTXZDdSZXgyLNiJ7vd1YjT9F8K86EciJ 12_O1jiWe6qW2RLx9yyskeEyGyoCxGytkukO_zHUqt3JlO.dM1p6KA9Ou0BX DcJdrKLEpS5l_67LUGDVYEVvyQ.dvH5CMGY5SQAwEC0TnHmceSNftmTn6cwn gicAe9VTsD0VH07yWB5l8p3AP9PXN2ewXOdjjh7ffHUn2ZtfWmmofVZp3Vhd euToi5qZuRaeOG1_HNQDjNfEH.J8xHe1vEzzkf17vpR8VWBSiZE9G_oRR959 iLlPd1PyrDUMcKNc80HitF5cFAXnNiaiwV.E3xCOCRrN9966GNWjiiXsdt5D _VH8hd21FQG9LSjW9VbW1.m0knf6DkqWgxo7yGGOZ2WdFOtgGptmpY1fzJ1D y_URTLh99mpLRxfLqQiHkwx63a0nhPIAUi_5XkAIRkg_BfzKNL8u3yZsgXDf _s7J8EOPQ.D21mXILzr6JPLAmEg6i_QunmsP7XaorYFhaz34hzkQMm.GPNLY BmFjSVIfV6R6m2ZTcsT5QpckkDKn3kTPSLkFS38C6ustpXNfPJ2oPKybfIxb ZISmvLNHNCeX3IEvgsyGlzaVP6bFUdzCj3CuCUPIqp5F.N4_Y91v_E6YvWXT 7kXBCd6Pa.KJGJF3crGFQznuYEEdPH0tqqcddozEoFveJceMAf7Lr0HIqmEj jGQH.z8bdMuJZuQwora0JlafuoExZxzPT7xa.L6gMP8fYp4bJJoqaOleSh5w znPcQQ_f_qbdO_62a72u3gLFp.BwSgDA6UwwyUHFRAjfTw.JOnAdKythhVP. x1.n32zWNmj0uR05YVlx4HrOLPiIfxfKeBnEZq6E0hyo27yMD_3qqnva0Qo7 F1LIyUf5xpLib6.RDVB..gV73WtqDvQ1qNXadrZ4mnuKf9z5WTSsZEHT5Rea HR4Do0tc2Jxvm9KoM_vKiOHtjoqrqIVR1qDwcURy6efFjAJv.KviyJ.uRp91 Fbg-- X-Received: from [75.20.189.193] by web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 02:12:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1343725974.86998.YahooMailClassic@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 02:12:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: <50160632.5020108@usfamily.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=RAxP11EzKS5M0hAtybd4xhosDghxZEVEsoBRbO11ZLfxgy1lgVxn1YnU3Z8ScYPtng3iYhzE X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Scott=C2=A0 Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toil= et paper roll tube and put=C2=A0 125 turns on that.So what you are saying b= igger to a piont is better? Jim Smith --- On Sun, 7/29/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 29, 2012, 8:57 PM =C2=A0=20 On 7/26/2012 5:36 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Scott Thank you Scott. That was the answer i was looking for . i > have veryus sizes to use. You said a soda bottles? Would that be a 1 > letter bottle? Yep, though I'd suggest a shampoo bottle because for whatever reason=20 they tend to have thicker plastic and it'll make for a smaller coil.=20 I'd have to sample one of Chris's coils to know how much inductance it=20 has to know how many turns you'd need on a larger form, so I can't tell=20 you how much wire to use right now. 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Remember don't go past 9 O clock with the voleme. Also be ca= reful with tthe=C2=A0head phone jack=C2=A0 it can go bad. Ajust your radio = frist and than plug in the head phone jack adapter.=C2=A0You will need to t= urn down the=C2=A0 bass and turn up the trebble on your home amp tuner.Jim = Smith --- On Mon, 7/30/12, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} New CQUAM Radios from Japan still available To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 8:42 AM =C2=A0=20 I was pleased to see that you can still purchase 3 brand new CQUAM radios f= rom Japan (Sony), but can somebody bring us up to date on the audio quality= of those three models from Sony? AX15 AV51=20 SRF-A300 Thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Tue Jul 31 03:43:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40099 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2012 10:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2012 10:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2012 10:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2012 10:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2012 10:43:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:43:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 189.114.28.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 189.114.28.179 From: "bigsatbsb" Subject: WCFS 1260 AM - Kahn AM Stereo - Over-The-Air Engineering Test with Main (Harris) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=aMtUjuQVHsODUJNy8cDOZ38baYMwPWFc6EnKKZGc6z0v9mLs X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb First Audio http://www.ctradiohistory.org/wmmm/audio-gallery.html From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 07:13:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12841 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2012 14:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2012 14:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.243) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2012 14:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2012 14:13:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2012 14:13:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:13:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New CQUAM Radios from Japan still available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=8PZvPvYmKDN1XegOH1BN7mENX9nVionifFiceeCXwTx2jXWMJDf75Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio All 3 radios were available direct from Japan on eBay last week, but with h= efty shipping charges. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote: > >=20 > These are all now discontinued per Audiocubes. If there is another seller= , please let us know. > Chris >=20 > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jul 31 10:46:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38614 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2012 17:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2012 17:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.145) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2012 17:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP72 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:54 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP72.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:53 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:45:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2012 17:45:53.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[550E4430:01CD6F44] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: panasonic quad format signal generator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=hL-LnuE6QeUqeM_ycKCbrGCBaCy0hqj_stCuGmcXMRw4 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd ask $500.00 + Shipping (Firm) will ship US/CA and to so international destinations payment by USPS money order preferred. you all know this one. it works great, excellent condition. this is the ultra rare quad format panasonic not the common CQuAM version but the one that does IPM, AM-PM, CQuAM and ISB from about 100kHz to iirc 3000kHz can take pic's again i have not seen one on ebay for few years now. this is your chance to get one I DO NOT WANT TO SELL THIS BUT BILLS NEED TO BE PAID ASAP!!!!!! From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jul 31 19:18:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80401 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2012 02:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2012 02:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2012 02:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP46 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:18:24 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP46.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:18:23 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:18:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2012 02:18:23.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED37D950:01CD6F8B] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: panasonic sig gen sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=lz6eTt6w8S1lDjBCc8hSyfy1o7PCNTj3DoPE6yU_8M-2 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd that was quick it's been sold. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Aug 01 10:45:15 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91179 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2012 17:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2012 17:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.96) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2012 17:45:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1343843114; bh=ObXtPczw7ccuIzkRCKOsgOf3stH7elZo6gzybXM9oYo=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uufmz6DEcnMqJiFLS6lltZEA/G7Im194xyrxegxFzQle218tawM5+djc0LRdFjYEJ6j3qRcN++zx2+IMKSHlEXxsIJHPl7h9HNmaO3Ja/Wnyvn8B3GgSo62uVJs0pOdT Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 17:45:14 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 17:45:14 -0000 Date: 1 Aug 2012 17:45:12 -0000 Message-ID: <1343843112.10915.42909.w11@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /WHHW July 6 -12.mp3 Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : HQ-AM Mono WHHW from modified Delco UX-1. Todd changed the I.F. filter to a 7.5KHz unit and added the John Gilstrap 10KHz filter/EQ You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WHHW%20July%206%20-12.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, toledohamradio From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Aug 01 10:54:29 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52613 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2012 17:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2012 17:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.187) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2012 17:54:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1343843668; bh=5zbMNvYymXUjXlP9m8FbjgPkCKxbO9e88m3Oqom3Sws=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Mdq8dB64kMtcgScTe0rIZnpekNYktyyY+lGNUeBt3U29lxTqmjPmozQoMjNSxkRZaP/tt4TjN+42s3IG6rvJNCmkJ7NhX2QMjOdktemaAedEUYN+nyuuEH3Lym1nLloA Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 17:54:28 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 17:54:27 -0000 Date: 1 Aug 2012 17:54:27 -0000 Message-ID: <1343843667.7423.5673.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /CFCO+thats life EDIT.mp3 Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : FANFARE Tuner - CFCO Sample File - Liner + "That's Life" You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CFCO%2Bthats%20life%20EDIT.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, toledohamradio From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Aug 01 19:20:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45442 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2012 02:20:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2012 02:20:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f41.google.com) (209.85.213.41) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2012 02:20:47 -0000 X-Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so7942413yhr.28 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:20:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.217.131 with SMTP id oy3mr444491igc.34.1343874047077; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:20:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.43.137 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:20:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1343843112.10915.42909.w11@yahoogroups.com> References: <1343843112.10915.42909.w11@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:20:46 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=jcLOR5GH0kEoqYuo8TOD0B5eOQnrCnm6d3V4d92JozpXf0uf X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice work, Dan On 2 August 2012 01:45, wrote: > ** > > > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /WHHW July 6 -12.mp3 > Uploaded by : toledohamradio > Description : HQ-AM Mono WHHW from modified Delco UX-1. Todd changed the > I.F. filter to a 7.5KHz unit and added the John Gilstrap 10KHz filter/EQ > > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WHHW%20July%206%20-12.m= p3 > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, > > toledohamradio > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 02 05:52:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5122 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2012 12:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2012 12:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.109) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2012 12:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.83] by ng9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2012 12:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2012 12:52:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:52:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1343843112.10915.42909.w11@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum-WHHW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=lccJEpcjABARurlAfaz36xYHYtRPz0PdzjYUthywlHzJrXAau22wRAM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Just an FYI, the WHHW file was sent by Todd Roberts after he modified his D= elco UX-1; proof that even good mono AM can sound as good or better than FM= (as the late Leonard Kahn once said) From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Thu Aug 02 09:57:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72900 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2012 16:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2012 16:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.174) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2012 16:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2012 16:57:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2012 16:57:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:57:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F92EEDB.9080703@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.39.212.190 From: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO recep... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=jfTK71zv7ksgaJfXNbcapa9T2GutnDLQfi6ZDcNZgeg18Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I've been using Dia that is available on Linux/Mac/Windows and a set of sym= bols I created for the program to do the artwork. https://live.gnome.org/Dia http://dia-installer.de/ http://216.39.212.190/AM-Stereo/Dia-Shapes.zip http://216.39.212.190/AM-Stereo/dia-SchemPCB-0.99.0-1.noarch.rpm You can use a laser printer to print onto coated stock magazine paper and then iron. Soak in water to dissolve paper leaving the toner pattern on= the copper blank.=20 http://www.riccibitti.com/pcb/pcb.htm --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 4/19/2012 6:20 PM, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > There is at least one seller on Ebay who has the mc13022 smt version st= ereo > > decoder chips for sale. >=20 > Speaking of the 13022, does anyone here have the ability to make PC=20 > boards? I have a standard DIP version of this chip but never used it=20 > due to my lack of ability to make circuit boards. I've got a receiver=20 > I'd like to modify for AMS. >=20 > Scott Todd > From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Thu Aug 02 10:20:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6392 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2012 17:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2012 17:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2012 17:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2012 17:20:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2012 17:20:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:20:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.39.212.190 From: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: MARANTZ ST-6001 or ST-6001 tuners are made for AM STEREO recep... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=kUxAce7HjA9Rwu1CRq7zN27iZf_FcSv0JbomSHLSq83Kpg X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst The Marantz unit ST-6001, from the service manual, uses a Murata SFG450E 15= kHz BW IF filter and this is ideal for both day and night use. The unit use= s the 13022 which the chip does incorporate a variable Q Twin-T notch filte= r feature but the Marantz does not use this chip's feature. The only thing = that this unit needs if it already has the 13022 chip is a notch filter and= Eq for an NRSC response out to 10kHz. This stand alone circuit will provid= e that http://216.39.212.190/AM-Stereo/PostDetFltr.gif --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > Well I have an application note for them that puts them to an AMAX spec d= esign of a receiver, so we might could say that, considering also that the = DENON TU680NAB use the MC13022P inside!=20 > But CARVER's on the other hand use the MC13020P first generation decoders= , and... IMHO are on top, above the DENON's !!!=20 >=20 > Now, anyone can get the MC13022DW from Ebay (I've bought them also from t= here). For the 3.60MHz CSA yes its some hard to find... but I have run test= s previously and found that the 3.58MHz ceramic resonators works in most ca= ses, (for the MC13028 at least) if you don't add the 47pf capacitor but low= er it to 5 or 10pF!=20 > I have custom ordered 3.64MHz CSA's (for 455KHz IF) but they also work w= ith 450KHz IF injected at the IC input! I'm thinking of ordering 1K pcs of = 3.60MHz also soon, and will probably make them available.=20 > For now anyone wants 3.64MHz CSA can contact me. Or he should try the 3.5= 8MHz from DTMF generators!!!=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris pdmtr >=20 >=20 >=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 02 17:54:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36169 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2012 00:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2012 00:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.213.95) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 00:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 00:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 00:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.125] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 00:54:02 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 00:54:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 934586.72081.bm@omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 74868 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2012 00:54:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hFuq6K4VM1lG9IlT2h4ICB9RddaRD5ONk_AtsSn99lkbiHM c4KdrofUVOddocWbBTkPiF6_CekICk1EsX7bPPKzxPqdDMTJQ6GwJZ7pvDxX P5brk6sjdZk_E7ApeW5w0KyYMopN20B96HN54vWeA3xStEWJ7hXtwj.su5nk t76JqK9P78Q4Bebno3tYsi_39d3KYLYnf3MOECAov4BAojjRbAhS4KZAfAFI vdq8I0vNFgF3twNDqnguSik8upKRtet_bO6MEbiwn5WtlQVKRUkzxycQloCi vbOQlCMeSX9GOy3yDtO0kw.uKaXzVd0PDJ6vRijPFYE97Nk9ZBxjQpDvSHSC .4W83am7l3Juy1XbzkNfoIJcQ31.xAZ4bGYFTbmRClUp655a9dQ5wIvpOnha qpWsqqNqI9YK77RSUr1rg8D56xZRd.exvMRoW2BMaDNUbF0Vhj_mqX7BNcP2 L.zE- X-Received: from [75.18.49.58] by web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:54:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1343955242.72637.YahooMailClassic@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:54:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.213.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Audio Cubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=SFbb8UYHMMR4ZeMkNtJss0VRX_7GVZBkcTnSh7XwPF-5NG_6vt2UmcJYRb8v01GOJQJzg8Gi X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang=A0=A0I have bad news about Audio Cubes. Thay no longer carry the So= ny AM STEREO's.=A0 I had forgot to ask if Sony still makes them. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 02 18:00:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52092 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2012 01:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2012 01:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 01:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120802200025100035300010> for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:00:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <501B229E.7020109@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:00:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:00:25 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1343725974.86998.YahooMailClassic@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1343725974.86998.YahooMailClassic@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=IRQLljqodR3mWjtBAlz-C-eApZ728obbiLp6Yw_QZD9Cl9GtnY-f X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 7/31/2012 4:13 AM, jim smith wrote: > > Hi Scott Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toilet > paper roll tube and put 125 turns on that.So what you are saying bigger > to a piont is better? Jim Smith It's not exactly due to the size. A plastic bottle would cause less loss than the paper core due to the nature of most modern plastics plus you could use wire a couple gauges larger for less loss. Both of them work together to improve how much radio energy gets from the transmitter to the antenna instead of being absorbed. Generally most plastic bottles are larger than a toilet paper core and larger wire might collapse a paper core unless wound with great care. Scott From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 02 18:04:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80426 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2012 01:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2012 01:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s15.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 01:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP248 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:04:55 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP248.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:04:53 -0700 To: References: <1343725974.86998.YahooMailClassic@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <501B229E.7020109@usfamily.net> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:04:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2012 01:04:53.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDA24580:01CD7113] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=5DM2tZ7hBt6xqh-GG-Ruc0jl0YuJ_3c_Swj95okUYkx6 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd if you are running at 1700khz build a manteca magnum coil and whip put it on a 1 meter long grounded mast over as big (and as many) buried radials you can fit and tune the whole rig for maximum f/s with either an FIM or a coil and wheat lamp. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:00 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil > On 7/31/2012 4:13 AM, jim smith wrote: >> >> Hi Scott Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toilet >> paper roll tube and put 125 turns on that.So what you are saying bigger >> to a piont is better? Jim Smith > > It's not exactly due to the size. A plastic bottle would cause less > loss than the paper core due to the nature of most modern plastics plus > you could use wire a couple gauges larger for less loss. Both of them > work together to improve how much radio energy gets from the transmitter > to the antenna instead of being absorbed. Generally most plastic > bottles are larger than a toilet paper core and larger wire might > collapse a paper core unless wound with great care. > > Scott > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Robart i can't do that because i am in an apartm= ent. Scott I understude what you said now. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 6:00 PM =C2=A0=20 On 7/31/2012 4:13 AM, jim smith wrote: > > Hi Scott Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toilet > paper roll tube and put 125 turns on that.So what you are saying bigger > to a piont is better? Jim Smith It's not exactly due to the size. A plastic bottle would cause less=20 loss than the paper core due to the nature of most modern plastics plus=20 you could use wire a couple gauges larger for less loss. Both of them=20 work together to improve how much radio energy gets from the transmitter=20 to the antenna instead of being absorbed. Generally most plastic=20 bottles are larger than a toilet paper core and larger wire might=20 collapse a paper core unless wound with great care. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 02 18:33:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37929 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2012 01:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2012 01:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 01:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120802203302102909700010> for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:33:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <501B2A44.7060004@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:32:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:33:02 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum-WHHW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=3pKGVOXneNh-5yD6xEVCJJTH-_7qYNmR_Nm6zrC0upqWHThOxlHI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/2/2012 7:52 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > Just an FYI, the WHHW file was sent by Todd Roberts after he modified > his Delco UX-1; proof that even good mono AM can sound as good or better > than FM (as the late Leonard Kahn once said) I was up in Fargo ND this morning and had my Meduci radio along with. I plugged it into the vehicle's aux in jack and compared the audio to that on the factory radio. I tuned it to 1660, which unfortunately still hasn't resumed stereo, and they were playing Steely Dan's Are You Reeling In The Years and there was no comparison. On the Meduci I actually heard the tambourine, something I could just barely make out on the stock radio. Scott Todd From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 02 19:33:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55115 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2012 02:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2012 02:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.145) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 02:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP453 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:33:35 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP453.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:33:34 -0700 To: References: <1343956763.71076.YahooMailClassic@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:33:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2012 02:33:34.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[60E5AF90:01CD7120] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=DL1KYHTaW7Mst0ape_YxeEHBhgKuCprJCih2qVs58UPR X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd same problem i have cant do 15.219 here because any ground lead would violate 15219 as there is no less than 1 meter to direct dirt access in an apartment ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" To: Cc: "jim dale smith" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil Hi Scott and Robart . Robart i can't do that because i am in an apartment. Scott I understude what you said now. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 6:00 PM On 7/31/2012 4:13 AM, jim smith wrote: > > Hi Scott Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toilet > paper roll tube and put 125 turns on that.So what you are saying bigger > to a piont is better? Jim Smith It's not exactly due to the size. A plastic bottle would cause less loss than the paper core due to the nature of most modern plastics plus you could use wire a couple gauges larger for less loss. Both of them work together to improve how much radio energy gets from the transmitter to the antenna instead of being absorbed. Generally most plastic bottles are larger than a toilet paper core and larger wire might collapse a paper core unless wound with great care. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From gito_maestro@yahoo.com Thu Aug 02 20:17:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: gito_maestro@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36157 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2012 03:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2012 03:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 03:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 03:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 03:17:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 03:17:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 182.4.183.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 182.4.183.123 From: "gito_maestro" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=394714090; y=2gASlhyWOp0UdWH9offH5COlblxjI6-96wyACRWHHaaU_jjrkR27 X-Yahoo-Profile: gito_maestro I have been reading this topic of loading coil,Is it a loading coil for an = antenna ? what I know the bigger and the many turns has an effect on the An= tenna looses ,since Ra (radiation resistance of the antenna) + the RF react= ance /resistance of the loading coil ,is the load of the Transmitter ,A ver= y short antenna has a very low Ra,so if the coil RF resistance is big,than = most of the transmitting power is absorb as heat in the loading coil. Why not try a loading coil with ferrite rods,using ferrite rods with severa= l winding around it can made the coil with a less turns,depends on the diam= eter of it and the length of the ferrite,and do You used A variable C in pa= rallel with the loading coil to make it resonance at Your frequency. It's just a though Gito.N --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > same problem i have >=20 > cant do 15.219 here because any ground lead would violate 15219 as there = is=20 > no less than 1 meter to direct dirt access in an apartment >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jim smith" > To: > Cc: "jim dale smith" > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil >=20 >=20 > Hi Scott and Robart . Robart i can't do that because i am in an apartment= .=20 > Scott I understude what you said now. Jim Smith >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 >=20 > From: Scott Todd > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 6:00 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/31/2012 4:13 AM, jim smith wrote: > > > > Hi Scott Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toilet > > paper roll tube and put 125 turns on that.So what you are saying bigger > > to a piont is better? Jim Smith >=20 > It's not exactly due to the size. A plastic bottle would cause less > loss than the paper core due to the nature of most modern plastics plus > you could use wire a couple gauges larger for less loss. Both of them > work together to improve how much radio energy gets from the transmitter > to the antenna instead of being absorbed. Generally most plastic > bottles are larger than a toilet paper core and larger wire might > collapse a paper core unless wound with great care. >=20 > Scott >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Still humms alot though. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 7:33 PM =C2=A0=20 same problem i have cant do 15.219 here because any ground lead would violate 15219 as there is= =20 no less than 1 meter to direct dirt access in an apartment ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "jim smith" To: Cc: "jim dale smith" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil Hi Scott and Robart . Robart i can't do that because i am in an apartment.= =20 Scott I understude what you said now. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 6:00 PM On 7/31/2012 4:13 AM, jim smith wrote: > > Hi Scott Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toilet > paper roll tube and put 125 turns on that.So what you are saying bigger > to a piont is better? Jim Smith It's not exactly due to the size. A plastic bottle would cause less loss than the paper core due to the nature of most modern plastics plus you could use wire a couple gauges larger for less loss. Both of them work together to improve how much radio energy gets from the transmitter to the antenna instead of being absorbed. Generally most plastic bottles are larger than a toilet paper core and larger wire might collapse a paper core unless wound with great care. 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But it dose'nt seem to work l= ike it did before i sent it to him when i was useing the other loading coil= i was useing before. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 8/2/12, gito_maestro wrote: From: gito_maestro Subject: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 8:17 PM =C2=A0=20 I have been reading this topic of loading coil,Is it a loading coil for an = antenna ? what I know the bigger and the many turns has an effect on the An= tenna looses ,since Ra (radiation resistance of the antenna) + the RF react= ance /resistance of the loading coil ,is the load of the Transmitter ,A ver= y short antenna has a very low Ra,so if the coil RF resistance is big,than = most of the transmitting power is absorb as heat in the loading coil. Why not try a loading coil with ferrite rods,using ferrite rods with severa= l winding around it can made the coil with a less turns,depends on the diam= eter of it and the length of the ferrite,and do You used A variable C in pa= rallel with the loading coil to make it resonance at Your frequency. It's just a though Gito.N --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > same problem i have >=20 > cant do 15.219 here because any ground lead would violate 15219 as there = is=20 > no less than 1 meter to direct dirt access in an apartment >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jim smith" > To: > Cc: "jim dale smith" > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil >=20 >=20 > Hi Scott and Robart . Robart i can't do that because i am in an apartment= .=20 > Scott I understude what you said now. Jim Smith >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 >=20 > From: Scott Todd > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 6:00 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/31/2012 4:13 AM, jim smith wrote: > > > > Hi Scott Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toilet > > paper roll tube and put 125 turns on that.So what you are saying bigger > > to a piont is better? Jim Smith >=20 > It's not exactly due to the size. A plastic bottle would cause less > loss than the paper core due to the nature of most modern plastics plus > you could use wire a couple gauges larger for less loss. Both of them > work together to improve how much radio energy gets from the transmitter > to the antenna instead of being absorbed. Generally most plastic > bottles are larger than a toilet paper core and larger wire might > collapse a paper core unless wound with great care. >=20 > Scott >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Gito.N ________________________________ From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: jim dale smith =20 Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil =20 =C2=A0=20 Hi Chris Cuff did that inside the the A.L TX. But it dose'nt seem to work l= ike it did before i sent it to him when i was useing the other loading coil= i was useing before. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 8/2/12, gito_maestro wrote: From: gito_maestro Subject: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 8:17 PM =C2=A0=20 I have been reading this topic of loading coil,Is it a loading coil for an = antenna ? what I know the bigger and the many turns has an effect on the An= tenna looses ,since Ra (radiation resistance of the antenna) + the RF react= ance /resistance of the loading coil ,is the load of the Transmitter ,A ver= y short antenna has a very low Ra,so if the coil RF resistance is big,than = most of the transmitting power is absorb as heat in the loading coil. Why not try a loading coil with ferrite rods,using ferrite rods with severa= l winding around it can made the coil with a less turns,depends on the diam= eter of it and the length of the ferrite,and do You used A variable C in pa= rallel with the loading coil to make it resonance at Your frequency. It's just a though Gito.N --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > same problem i have >=20 > cant do 15.219 here because any ground lead would violate 15219 as there = is=20 > no less than 1 meter to direct dirt access in an apartment >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jim smith" > To: > Cc: "jim dale smith" > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil >=20 >=20 > Hi Scott and Robart . Robart i can't do that because i am in an apartment= .=20 > Scott I understude what you said now. Jim Smith >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 >=20 > From: Scott Todd > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 6:00 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/31/2012 4:13 AM, jim smith wrote: > > > > Hi Scott Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toilet > > paper roll tube and put 125 turns on that.So what you are saying bigger > > to a piont is better? Jim Smith >=20 > It's not exactly due to the size. A plastic bottle would cause less > loss than the paper core due to the nature of most modern plastics plus > you could use wire a couple gauges larger for less loss. Both of them > work together to improve how much radio energy gets from the transmitter > to the antenna instead of being absorbed. Generally most plastic > bottles are larger than a toilet paper core and larger wire might > collapse a paper core unless wound with great care. >=20 > Scott >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 03 05:11:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99004 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2012 12:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2012 12:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.55) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 12:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 12:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 12:11:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:11:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1343969278.53318.YahooMailClassic@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Loading coils & ALF-Lite Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=JDvazHo_0AWAjJUbe2MQTdsG6adSKdeNpn5PtpVhppYGZjORtp22Ijk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Could people here share what they're using for their ALF-Lite transmitters = in the way of antennae & loading coils. Can you technically use a standard short 80m mobile fiberglass whip "Stik" = with its threaded mount (designed for mobile use)? John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Aug 03 06:40:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34445 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2012 13:40:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2012 13:40:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.149) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 13:40:29 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP365 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:40:28 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP365.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:40:27 -0700 To: References: <1343969278.53318.YahooMailClassic@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:40:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2012 13:40:27.0477 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AA8A050:01CD717D] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=r0TQh0FirUoutuqRpYqmO8Svd94Am8sbgRVaAd8OulR_ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd the problem with that is under 15.219 any conducting material from the case of tx to dirt ground is interpreted as your ground lead. this makes it nearly impossible to have a ground inside an apartment or condo and be legal under 15.219. you need to run carrier current (to be strictly legal) using an adjustable tx and use either a good sensitive radio or calibrated fim to adjust tx for proper line leakage. i fortunately own a nems clarke FIM only problem i have been having is being able to get a carrier current tx into my possession. i have a BE AX10, Motorola monitors and a LPB and RSI couplers here, but my G/F's fiancial issues and my own credit card issues have made getting a solid state lpb a problem or i would be running C-C by now. hell if someone would donate a few broekn solid state LPB's or RSI tx's i would be wiling to use my scrap parts supply to get one of them working. i have a CRL SEP400a 4 band compressor and SPF300 final NRSC asymmetrical limiter i would be willing to trade to a working RSI or LPB SS tx in the low or mid band. right now i am not running anything because i only have equipment suitable to 15.219 and nothing as far as tx's suitable to 209/221 rules. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" To: Cc: "jim dale smith" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil Hi Robert I used copper water pipe. Still humms alot though. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 7:33 PM same problem i have cant do 15.219 here because any ground lead would violate 15219 as there is no less than 1 meter to direct dirt access in an apartment ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" To: Cc: "jim dale smith" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil Hi Scott and Robart . Robart i can't do that because i am in an apartment. Scott I understude what you said now. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 6:00 PM On 7/31/2012 4:13 AM, jim smith wrote: > > Hi Scott Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toilet > paper roll tube and put 125 turns on that.So what you are saying bigger > to a piont is better? Jim Smith It's not exactly due to the size. A plastic bottle would cause less loss than the paper core due to the nature of most modern plastics plus you could use wire a couple gauges larger for less loss. Both of them work together to improve how much radio energy gets from the transmitter to the antenna instead of being absorbed. Generally most plastic bottles are larger than a toilet paper core and larger wire might collapse a paper core unless wound with great care. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Aug 03 06:44:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88070 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2012 13:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2012 13:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.164) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 13:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP318 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:44:26 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP318.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:44:25 -0700 To: References: <1343969665.93859.YahooMailClassic@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:44:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2012 13:44:25.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[185A6E10:01CD717E] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=mJch6TETJ-NB-_hG91b-rZQrfYL8sMglpUq3pCNTjcE4 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd get a very large toroid and a suitable guage wire wrap that wire around the ferrite toroid and use a large air variable cap. you need enough inductance and capacitance to tune up that 3 meter whip without a ground for the reasons i stated in earlier message. there is a reason SSTRANS and rangemasters chose to use a toroid. it gives a higher Q with less loss than the traditional methods. this along with a high efficiency output stage is why those tx's are able to acheive the distances they do. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim smith" To: Cc: "jim dale smith" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil Hi Chris Cuff did that inside the the A.L TX. But it dose'nt seem to work like it did before i sent it to him when i was useing the other loading coil i was useing before. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 8/2/12, gito_maestro wrote: From: gito_maestro Subject: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 8:17 PM I have been reading this topic of loading coil,Is it a loading coil for an antenna ? what I know the bigger and the many turns has an effect on the Antenna looses ,since Ra (radiation resistance of the antenna) + the RF reactance /resistance of the loading coil ,is the load of the Transmitter ,A very short antenna has a very low Ra,so if the coil RF resistance is big,than most of the transmitting power is absorb as heat in the loading coil. Why not try a loading coil with ferrite rods,using ferrite rods with several winding around it can made the coil with a less turns,depends on the diameter of it and the length of the ferrite,and do You used A variable C in parallel with the loading coil to make it resonance at Your frequency. It's just a though Gito.N --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote: > > same problem i have > > cant do 15.219 here because any ground lead would violate 15219 as there > is > no less than 1 meter to direct dirt access in an apartment > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim smith" > To: > Cc: "jim dale smith" > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil > > > Hi Scott and Robart . Robart i can't do that because i am in an apartment. > Scott I understude what you said now. Jim Smith > > --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Scott Todd wrote: > > > From: Scott Todd > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 6:00 PM > > > > > > > > On 7/31/2012 4:13 AM, jim smith wrote: > > > > Hi Scott Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toilet > > paper roll tube and put 125 turns on that.So what you are saying bigger > > to a piont is better? Jim Smith > > It's not exactly due to the size. A plastic bottle would cause less > loss than the paper core due to the nature of most modern plastics plus > you could use wire a couple gauges larger for less loss. Both of them > work together to improve how much radio energy gets from the transmitter > to the antenna instead of being absorbed. Generally most plastic > bottles are larger than a toilet paper core and larger wire might > collapse a paper core unless wound with great care. > > Scott > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Jim Smith --- On Fri, 8/3/12, Gito Maestro wrote: From: Gito Maestro Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Date: Friday, August 3, 2012, 3:16 AM =C2=A0=20 Hi=C2=A0=20 A short antenna=C2=A0 (vertical antenna ) is Capacitive load,to make it res= onant at the TX frequency=C2=A0 we must load it with Inductance(coil)=C2=A0= to counter this Capacitive reactance,,it depends on the Antenna high(size)= ,the shorter the Antenna,the bigger the loading=C2=A0 coil(more turns) and = because of that The Rf resistance of the coil get higher.Since the load of = the antenna is Ra (radiation resistance)+ Coil resistance (for RF),=C2=A0 t= han we try=C2=A0 to make a smaller coil with less winding (low resistance) = but with same inductance,I think we can used Feritte rods =C2=A0,but we mus= t make the antenna resonant at the TX frequency. Gito.N ________________________________ From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: jim dale smith =20 Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil =C2=A0=20 Hi Chris Cuff did that inside the the A.L TX. But it dose'nt seem to work l= ike it did before i sent it to him when i was useing the other loading coil= i was useing before. Jim Smith --- On Thu, 8/2/12, gito_maestro wrote: From: gito_maestro Subject: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 8:17 PM =C2=A0=20 I have been reading this topic of loading coil,Is it a loading coil for an = antenna ? what I know the bigger and the many turns has an effect on the An= tenna looses ,since Ra (radiation resistance of the antenna) + the RF react= ance /resistance of the loading coil ,is the load of the Transmitter ,A ver= y short antenna has a very low Ra,so if the coil RF resistance is big,than = most of the transmitting power is absorb as heat in the loading coil. Why not try a loading coil with ferrite rods,using ferrite rods with severa= l winding around it can made the coil with a less turns,depends on the diam= eter of it and the length of the ferrite,and do You used A variable C in pa= rallel with the loading coil to make it resonance at Your frequency. It's just a though Gito.N --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert P Chrysafis wrote= : > > same problem i have >=20 > cant do 15.219 here because any ground lead would violate 15219 as there = is=20 > no less than 1 meter to direct dirt access in an apartment >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "jim smith" > To: > Cc: "jim dale smith" > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil >=20 >=20 > Hi Scott and Robart . Robart i can't do that because i am in an apartment= .=20 > Scott I understude what you said now. Jim Smith >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Scott Todd wrote: >=20 >=20 > From: Scott Todd > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 6:00 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/31/2012 4:13 AM, jim smith wrote: > > > > Hi Scott Chris Cuff sent a page with his TX and it said to use a toilet > > paper roll tube and put 125 turns on that.So what you are saying bigger > > to a piont is better? Jim Smith >=20 > It's not exactly due to the size. A plastic bottle would cause less > loss than the paper core due to the nature of most modern plastics plus > you could use wire a couple gauges larger for less loss. Both of them > work together to improve how much radio energy gets from the transmitter > to the antenna instead of being absorbed. Generally most plastic > bottles are larger than a toilet paper core and larger wire might > collapse a paper core unless wound with great care. >=20 > Scott >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Aug 04 07:30:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46381 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2012 14:30:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2012 14:30:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2012 14:30:41 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q74EUadK028017 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:30:36 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.1]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7FF55E00008B for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b922.46cc3ac5.3d4e8c0b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:30:35 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453677056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c501d320b556a X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=Nizz1UXAuBVWeXPzxxbFduntFcvTpcvRWYTHOsuaXlKHNDfnGtRh X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 It looks like about the only way someone can set up a part 15 transmitter for maximum range is to set one up outdoors and locate the transmitter directly at the base of a 3 meter long antenna with as short a lead to a ground rod and radials as possible. This means you would have to put the transmitter in a weatherproof box of some kind and leave it outdoors with the power and audio leads coming back into the house through a window or some kind of through-wall arrangement. Using a part 15 transmitter indoors with no ground connection would severely limit range as there would be no ground to tune the antenna against. It might not allow the transmitter to draw the proper current also by not having a properly-tuned antenna. In some cases people use an untuned wire indoors for an antenna which is probably a worst-case situation. Someone might be lucky to hear the signal from one room to another under those conditions. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 8/3/2012 9:40:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: the problem with that is under 15.219 any conducting material from the case of tx to dirt ground is interpreted as your ground lead. this makes it nearly impossible to have a ground inside an apartment or condo and be legal under 15.219. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Aug 04 07:45:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63921 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2012 14:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2012 14:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.143) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2012 14:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP407 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 4 Aug 2012 07:45:09 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP407.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 4 Aug 2012 07:45:08 -0700 To: References: <1b922.46cc3ac5.3d4e8c0b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 08:45:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2012 14:45:08.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE7F5090:01CD724F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ynUwsaV7CuEhJTHc-zud8nCFCqO34jlDf8aQWdF0pfAx X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd there is another way as well but most don't have access. equal length horizontal radials setup in pairs (in maybe an attic/this setup would need to be indoors as there would be no lightning ground/static drain) 180 deg. opposite of one another and then filter the audio and power lines. you then have a NON radiating artificial ground for the tx to work against and this can be argued to an inspecting agent and in most cases won. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil > It looks like about the only way someone can set up a part 15 transmitter > for maximum range is to set one up outdoors and locate the transmitter > directly at the base of a 3 meter long antenna with as short a lead to a > ground > rod and radials as possible. > > This means you would have to put the transmitter in a weatherproof > box of some kind and leave it outdoors with the power and audio > leads coming back into the house through a window or some kind of > through-wall arrangement. > > Using a part 15 transmitter indoors with no ground connection would > severely limit range as there would be no ground to tune the > antenna against. It might not allow the transmitter to draw the > proper current also by not having a properly-tuned antenna. In some > cases people use an untuned wire indoors for an antenna which is > probably a worst-case situation. Someone might be lucky to hear > the signal from one room to another under those > conditions. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > In a message dated 8/3/2012 9:40:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > > the problem with that is under 15.219 any conducting material from the > case > > of tx to dirt ground is interpreted as your ground lead. this makes it > nearly impossible to have a ground inside an apartment or condo and be > legal > under 15.219. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:58:51 SGT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <1b922.46cc3ac5.3d4e8c0b@aol.com> Message-ID: <1344146331.94059.YahooMailNeo@web190404.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:58:51 +0800 (SGT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 106.10.150.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Gito Maestro Reply-To: Gito Maestro Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=394714090; y=0pTTjpCH7hJ1N2g9NbQ-BFBn927GX0Tu-4qrbbAI5ki3Cn9LS8uw X-Yahoo-Profile: gito_maestro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI I don"t know if this is allowed in Part 15 regulation,If we build our trans= mitter in a metal box, than usually the negative side of the power supply of the transmitter (B mi= n) is grounded to the metal box,and=C2=A0 the neutral of the ac power line = ground (protection ground,in my country we used 3 wire power line cable ) o= f the power line is also grounded to the chassis ,So indirectly We have a "= ground" using small radials is=C2=A0 useless for MW frequency ,since to be effectiv= e it must have a 1/4 wave length long (for 1 Mhz transmitter it needs a 75 = m radial),and in BC station they used 120 wire radial/1/4 wave long=C2=A0 a= round the base of antenna to be effective=C2=A0 Gito.N ________________________________ From: Part 15 AM engineer To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 9:45 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil =20 =C2=A0=20 there is another way as well but most don't have access. equal length horizontal radials setup in pairs (in maybe an attic/this setu= p=20 would need to be indoors as there would be no lightning ground/static drain= )=20 180 deg. opposite of one another and then filter the audio and power lines.= =20 you then have a NON radiating artificial ground for the tx to work against= =20 and this can be argued to an inspecting agent and in most cases won. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Loading coil > It looks like about the only way someone can set up a part 15 transmitte= r > for maximum range is to set one up outdoors and locate the transmitter > directly at the base of a 3 meter long antenna with as short a lead to a > ground > rod and radials as possible. > > This means you would have to put the transmitter in a weatherproof > box of some kind and leave it outdoors with the power and audio > leads coming back into the house through a window or some kind of > through-wall arrangement. > > Using a part 15 transmitter indoors with no ground connection would > severely limit range as there would be no ground to tune the > antenna against. It might not allow the transmitter to draw the > proper current also by not having a properly-tuned antenna. In some > cases people use an untuned wire indoors for an antenna which is > probably a worst-case situation. Someone might be lucky to hear > the signal from one room to another under those > conditions. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > In a message dated 8/3/2012 9:40:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > > the problem with that is under 15.219 any conducting material from the=20 > case > > of tx to dirt ground is interpreted as your ground lead. this makes it > nearly impossible to have a ground inside an apartment or condo and be > legal > under 15.219. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > >=20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Aug 04 23:01:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5898 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 06:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2012 06:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.mail.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2012 06:01:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16692 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2012 06:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.10.163 by rms-us009 with HTTP Cc: "jim dale smith" Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 02:01:06 -0400 Message-ID: <20120805060107.270170@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: dGlscO0I3zOlOgRR5nAhBQ9+IGRvb4CS X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Audio Cubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=J-Wa2zUfUwbTyX00Se1DKN6QQSBLhZuBPvEBRCNAIkffGhvrwx8U X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the heads up Jim. There is a guy on Ebay, Buy Japan, or something is his handle. Anyway, he is selling AM stereo Sony portables directly from (you guessed it) Japan. Quite pricey tho. I will see if I can find him again & pass it along. Have a good one, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith Sent: 08/02/12 08:54 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Audio Cubes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Aug 05 07:34:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16168 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 14:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2012 14:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2012 14:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q75EYTcR028716 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:34:29 -0400 X-Received: from core-mge003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 27D97E000089 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17af2.a31fb83.3d4fde75@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:34:29 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:335095040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c501e84750092 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Part 15 Antenna Calculator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=Esx_T6Q0WEFFJ7gys70jmvs2V7dZY819aa4aw1YC_WQXlCpRLVjA X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I ran across this whip antenna calculator program that is very useful to use for a 3-meter long part 15 antenna. A part 15 antenna is basically a whip antenna as it is so short compared to wavelength. http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Whip-Antenna-Design-Calculator.phtml You input the frequency, length and diameter of the antenna and it will tell you the capacity of the antenna, how much inductance will be needed to resonate it and the radiation resistance. Helpful to have a good idea what will be needed to tune a 3 meter antenna for use with something like an Alf-Lite or Aspisys transmitter. I entered a frequency of 1.65 mHz, 118 inches length and 1 inch diameter for using a 1 inch copper pipe. It tells me the antenna capacity is about 38pF and it will require 247uH to tune it at 1.65mHz. You can then use other online calculators to figure what size coil and how many turns you will need to make a coil of 247uH. Always best to build a coil with a little more inductance to allow for fine tuning. I would build a coil with 260 - 270 uH total inductance. Once you input the length and diameter of the antenna you can input other frequencies to see what is needed for other parts of the band. From what I can see I would only concentrate on the high end of the band between 1600-1700kHz. The radiation resistance of the antenna was only about half at 1270kHz what it was on 1650kHz and it required a lot more inductance to tune at 1270kHz which means a higher resistance coil would be needed with more turns and more loss added on. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Aug 05 10:20:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69415 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 17:20:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2012 17:20:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-07.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.167) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2012 17:20:43 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120805122019100264100010> for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:20:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <501EAB45.6090605@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:20:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:20:19 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <17af2.a31fb83.3d4fde75@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <17af2.a31fb83.3d4fde75@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ibOSFOeodMHgqu_-DCa4-RLLe3UrxlQ468-kzUQKi-XajI_jbJ-d X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/5/2012 9:34 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > I ran across this whip antenna calculator program that is very > useful to use for a 3-meter long part 15 antenna. A part 15 antenna is > basically a whip antenna as it is so short compared to wavelength. > > http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Whip-Antenna-Design-Calculator.phtml > Thanks for the interesting link. Your point about using copper pipe brings up a great point- that the greater surface area creates a greater capacity to ground over a wire or a whip and thus acts as a taller radiator. Consider a standard broadcast tower- due to having more steel also has more capacitance between itself and ground. One gray area I've never seen a ruling on for its legality regarding antenna length, though it may be worth pursuing, is the use of a capacity "top hat." You'd be adding guy wires to the top of your pipe. Most normal guy wires are insulated from the tower, but in this case they'd be connected to it, and only a few feet above ground would an insulator be added to break up the guy to keep the tower from being grounded. You could even add several wires between each of the guys creating what looks like a spider web. This would make the pipe act as an even taller radiator. Then to further something Gito brought up, having buried radials. While making them a full 1/4 wavelength is certainly the most desirable, you'd be surprised what you can accomplish on an average suburban lot. Just make them as long as your property lines will allow. Licensed stations use up to 120 of them, but even if you only have eight it's better than only three or four, or for that matter just a ground rod (highly recommended as a common point for connecting all the radials and the transmitter.) Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Aug 05 11:43:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65225 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 18:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2012 18:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2012 18:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q75IhbgN028475 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 14:43:37 -0400 X-Received: from core-mge003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8D3F9E000087 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 14:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <125a6.7dc6ad24.3d5018d9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 14:43:37 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:458157056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3389501ebed92bcd X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=f00YzrIlSStfPyzx6APw6D0osDCy3wNPSLJ61OTTX6SjhjMItcFL X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi Scott, thanks for the good points. Using a one-inch copper pipe over a thin wire like #12 increases the antenna capacity. If you study the calculator you will see the radiation resistance stays the same, so electrically and physically the pipe is the same length as a thin wire which keeps it within the part 15 rules. The big advantage using pipe over a thin wire is being able to use much less tuning inductance for the same frequency, so there is less loss in the tuning coil. A two-inch pipe gives even greater capacity but I think most people have settled on using one-inch copper pipe as it is available almost everywhere and two inch copper pipe is very heavy and expensive. One could go to Aluminum pipe for a two inch diameter antenna. Aluminum pipe is available from several Ham Radio antenna suppliers and is very lightweight. Likewise one inch diameter aluminum pipe would be very lightweight and easy to handle. I'm not sure how an FCC inspector would interpret a capacity hat but I think they might add the diameter or radius of the hat to total antenna length and disqualify the antenna if it was added on to a full length antenna. I would stick with a straight pipe so there would be no questions about antenna length even though the efficiency would be better with a top hat. The more and longer the ground radials the better, just lay down as many as is practical for the size yard where the antenna is set up. Radials can be bent to go around objects like a house. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 8/5/2012 1:20:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: Thanks for the interesting link. Your point about using copper pipe brings up a great point- that the greater surface area creates a greater capacity to ground over a wire or a whip and thus acts as a taller radiator. Consider a standard broadcast tower- due to having more steel also has more capacitance between itself and ground. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Aug 05 11:57:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4862 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 18:57:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2012 18:57:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s30.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.169) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2012 18:57:02 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP80 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:57:01 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP80.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:57:00 -0700 To: References: <125a6.7dc6ad24.3d5018d9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:56:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2012 18:57:01.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[188ABD30:01CD733C] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=H2JociSGB8sOVPMq1GD9KGzFLk0uZCh46wgeI72Pe2fu X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd see my various site designs posted around the web for ideas or email me directly and i will pass few along. the best by far is the "manteca magnum" built by mlr designed by dr jack gittings over as large a ground system as space allows. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 12:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator > Hi Scott, thanks for the good points. Using a one-inch copper pipe over > a thin wire like #12 > increases the antenna capacity. If you study the calculator you will > see the radiation resistance stays the same, so electrically and > physically the pipe is > the same length as a thin wire which keeps it within the part 15 rules. > The big advantage using pipe over a thin wire is being able to use much > less tuning inductance for the same frequency, so there is less loss in > the tuning > coil. A two-inch pipe gives even greater capacity but > I think most people have settled on using one-inch copper pipe as it is > available > almost everywhere and two inch copper pipe is very heavy and expensive. > > One could go to Aluminum pipe for a two inch diameter antenna. Aluminum > pipe is available from several Ham Radio antenna suppliers and is very > lightweight. > Likewise one inch diameter aluminum pipe would be very lightweight and > easy > to handle. > > I'm not sure how an FCC inspector would interpret a capacity hat but I > think > they might add the diameter or radius of the hat to total antenna length > and disqualify > the antenna if it was added on to a full length antenna. I would stick > with a straight pipe so there would be no questions about antenna length > even > though the efficiency would be better with a top hat. > > The more and longer the ground radials the better, just lay down as many > as is practical for the size yard where the antenna is set up. Radials > can > be bent to go > around objects like a house. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > In a message dated 8/5/2012 1:20:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > > Thanks for the interesting link. Your point about using copper pipe > brings up a great point- that the greater surface area creates a greater > capacity to ground over a wire or a whip and thus acts as a taller > radiator. Consider a standard broadcast tower- due to having more steel > also has more capacitance between itself and ground. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Aug 05 11:58:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7733 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 18:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2012 18:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2012 18:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP81 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:58:12 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP81.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:58:11 -0700 To: References: <125a6.7dc6ad24.3d5018d9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:58:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2012 18:58:11.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[42B98960:01CD733C] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=W0ocRvYRpcfTvQJT6zfrYPIabGy3-od4Bg8eV83crW61 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd in addition to the 102" whip all certified part 15's are certified with a 102" in length radiator and a 1 meter in length ground so take advantage of that extra 1 meter and use it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 12:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator > Hi Scott, thanks for the good points. Using a one-inch copper pipe over > a thin wire like #12 > increases the antenna capacity. If you study the calculator you will > see the radiation resistance stays the same, so electrically and > physically the pipe is > the same length as a thin wire which keeps it within the part 15 rules. > The big advantage using pipe over a thin wire is being able to use much > less tuning inductance for the same frequency, so there is less loss in > the tuning > coil. A two-inch pipe gives even greater capacity but > I think most people have settled on using one-inch copper pipe as it is > available > almost everywhere and two inch copper pipe is very heavy and expensive. > > One could go to Aluminum pipe for a two inch diameter antenna. Aluminum > pipe is available from several Ham Radio antenna suppliers and is very > lightweight. > Likewise one inch diameter aluminum pipe would be very lightweight and > easy > to handle. > > I'm not sure how an FCC inspector would interpret a capacity hat but I > think > they might add the diameter or radius of the hat to total antenna length > and disqualify > the antenna if it was added on to a full length antenna. I would stick > with a straight pipe so there would be no questions about antenna length > even > though the efficiency would be better with a top hat. > > The more and longer the ground radials the better, just lay down as many > as is practical for the size yard where the antenna is set up. Radials > can > be bent to go > around objects like a house. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > In a message dated 8/5/2012 1:20:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > > Thanks for the interesting link. Your point about using copper pipe > brings up a great point- that the greater surface area creates a greater > capacity to ground over a wire or a whip and thus acts as a taller > radiator. Consider a standard broadcast tower- due to having more steel > also has more capacitance between itself and ground. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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So what we can do is making the loading coil=C2=A0 with the same inductance= (300 micro henry) using coil with Feritte rods ,the bigger the feritte ,th= e less winding we need. Gito.N ________________________________ From: Part 15 AM engineer To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 1:58 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator =20 =C2=A0=20 in addition to the 102" whip all certified part 15's are certified with a=20 102" in length radiator and a 1 meter in length ground so take advantage of= =20 that extra 1 meter and use it. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 12:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator > Hi Scott, thanks for the good points. Using a one-inch copper pipe over > a thin wire like #12 > increases the antenna capacity. If you study the calculator you will > see the radiation resistance stays the same, so electrically and > physically the pipe is > the same length as a thin wire which keeps it within the part 15 rules. > The big advantage using pipe over a thin wire is being able to use much > less tuning inductance for the same frequency, so there is less loss in > the tuning > coil. A two-inch pipe gives even greater capacity but > I think most people have settled on using one-inch copper pipe as it is > available > almost everywhere and two inch copper pipe is very heavy and expensive. > > One could go to Aluminum pipe for a two inch diameter antenna. Aluminum > pipe is available from several Ham Radio antenna suppliers and is very > lightweight. > Likewise one inch diameter aluminum pipe would be very lightweight and=20 > easy > to handle. > > I'm not sure how an FCC inspector would interpret a capacity hat but I > think > they might add the diameter or radius of the hat to total antenna length > and disqualify > the antenna if it was added on to a full length antenna. I would stick > with a straight pipe so there would be no questions about antenna length > even > though the efficiency would be better with a top hat. > > The more and longer the ground radials the better, just lay down as many > as is practical for the size yard where the antenna is set up. Radials=20 > can > be bent to go > around objects like a house. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > In a message dated 8/5/2012 1:20:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > > Thanks for the interesting link. Your point about using copper pipe > brings up a great point- that the greater surface area creates a greater > capacity to ground over a wire or a whip and thus acts as a taller > radiator. Consider a standard broadcast tower- due to having more steel > also has more capacitance between itself and ground. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > >=20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 06 06:00:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88571 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2012 13:00:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2012 13:00:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.243) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2012 13:00:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 13:00:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 13:00:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:00:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Part 15 Antenna Idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=t1Shh2GDDWdjlP7dnk4SmS_l5yM1JB0U2DpVMmNJ0GsXTUtJCzpl2s8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Two questions, If you built your antenna from several smaller (7) twisted 1/8" copper tubi= ng to make one large antenna 'wire' radiator, would this overside 'stranded= wire' qualify as an antenna and give much more surface area for radiation? Also, could you fit this, or an copper tubing, inside a piece of PVC pipe f= or weather proofing, does that have a negative affect on RF? Nothing but top-quality CQuam in our transmissions.=20 John From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Aug 06 09:22:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31534 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2012 16:22:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2012 16:22:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-06.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.166) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2012 16:22:29 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120806112212100072600011> for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:22:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <501FEF35.6010205@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:22:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:22:12 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=x1n3ry8ounOIuw6dGMihGRKvLwGsQnq9cO9pqedWGAgVjYTYUEiS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/6/2012 8:00 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > Two questions, > If you built your antenna from several smaller (7) twisted 1/8" copper > tubing to make one large antenna 'wire' radiator, would this overside > 'stranded wire' qualify as an antenna and give much more surface area > for radiation? > > Also, could you fit this, or an copper tubing, inside a piece of PVC > pipe for weather proofing, does that have a negative affect on RF? 1) yes, but I don't see any advantage of using it. 2) as long as it isn't black PVC which has carbon granules in it and would absorb the RF. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Aug 06 09:33:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36092 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2012 16:33:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2012 16:33:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-04.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2012 16:33:44 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120806113316101253100011> for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:33:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <501FF1CC.3070605@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:33:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:33:16 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <125a6.7dc6ad24.3d5018d9@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <125a6.7dc6ad24.3d5018d9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=wQSumw7xUOnyqGg4cZZL743bqRTbpxwMhqhZLN1g-4GRs97Yjy3U X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > I'm not sure how an FCC inspector would interpret a capacity hat but I > think > they might add the diameter or radius of the hat to total antenna length > and disqualify > the antenna if it was added on to a full length antenna. I would stick > with a straight pipe so there would be no questions about antenna length > even > though the efficiency would be better with a top hat. Anyone daring enough to try it out and see how they'd rule? It's doubtful anyone would get fined as long as they're respectful and comply immediately with any of the agent's requests. Likely the FCC would just tell the operator it's a no-no and have them shut it down until it's compliant. It shouldn't take too long to replace any wire guy lines with nylon rope or plastic clothes line assuming anything is needed at all. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Aug 06 09:37:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33171 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2012 16:37:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2012 16:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-02.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.152) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2012 16:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120806113722101616500011> for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:37:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <501FF2C2.9070704@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:37:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:37:22 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=0YolP4klRE_mvhN18dojdANV8a6hl8HdT0MvYZpn-pO4N21oVhHC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/6/2012 8:00 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > Two questions, > If you built your antenna from several smaller (7) twisted 1/8" copper > tubing to make one large antenna 'wire' radiator, would this overside > 'stranded wire' qualify as an antenna and give much more surface area > for radiation? Your first suggestion did bring up another idea- make two metal disks several inches in diameter and weld the ends of the tubing to them making a big cage type antenna. You'd have to have some sort of spacer between the center of the disks for rigidity but it would certainly work better than trying to make a big rope out of them. Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Aug 06 19:53:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1047 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2012 02:53:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2012 02:53:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2012 02:53:21 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q772rIP6028257 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:53:18 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.5]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 87828E00008B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5f289.2e9ce42.3d51dd1d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:53:17 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:371705248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c5020831e0c24 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=J5CRx4lHRe3c9DH2ALr1g1m6-Rgj4fmQnmMH4QSVImq0UaZRG9oo X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 8/6/2012 8:08:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gito_maestro@yahoo.com writes: Hi A 3 meter antenna has an radiation resistance around 0.1 ohm (1.6 Mhz transmitter),and need a inductance of 300 micro henry.using a coil length of 120mm ,and coil diameter 27 mm,we need 244 turns of loading coil with a no 27 AWG wire (0.35 mm) than the coil resistance(RF resistance) is around 24 ohm With a good ground the efficientcy is only 0.36 % Hi Gito, The loading coil you described would be a very poor inductor with a low Q. To find the Q of a coil you use the formula Q = XL/R where XL is the inductive reactance of the coil at the operating frequency and R is the RF resistance of the coil at the operating frequency. A 300 uH coil operating at 1.6mHz has an XL of 3017 ohms. If you divide 3017 by 24 you get about 125 for the Q. A 3" diameter pipe for the antenna would require only 200uH at 1.6mHz. It is not hard to build a loading coil of 800 Q. I would not use wire any smaller than #14 for a Hi-Q loading coil and the length to diameter should be nearly equal for highest Q and the turns should be spaced about. one wire diameter. The proper construction Litz wire is even better at 1.6mHz. A seller on eBay has 660/46 Litz wire for sale which is what crystal set builders use to obtain highest Q. It is not hard for them to build coils of over 1000 Q using 660/46 Litz wire. A coil 6 inches diameter should be about 6 inches long for highest Q. For an 800 Q coil the RF resistance will be less than 4 ohms compared to the 24 ohm coil you described. That is a savings of over 20 ohms in the antenna circuit. There are many online calculators available to design a coil of 300uH or similar desired inductance using heavier gauge wire. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Aug 06 19:56:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76051 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2012 02:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2012 02:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dub0-omc4-s9.dub0.hotmail.com) (157.55.2.84) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2012 02:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from DUB402-EAS51 ([157.55.2.71]) by dub0-omc4-s9.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:56:07 -0700 X-EIP: [y3z60B4uSbdtXb+hsyuaTRAQtlwSGw8B] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:56:02 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2012 02:56:07.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[311E7780:01CD7448] X-Originating-IP: 157.55.2.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=IWF72R2dyYVmNWFrN6k1O9DFSDOtSBVDlv9U-zMaKIFp X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd But higher q lower the bandwidth. high q bad for cquam -----Original Message----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Sent: 7 Aug 2012 02:53:30 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator In a message dated 8/6/2012 8:08:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gito_maestro@yahoo.com writes: Hi A 3 meter antenna has an radiation resistance around 0.1 ohm (1.6 Mhz transmitter),and need a inductance of 300 micro henry.using a coil length= of 120mm ,and coil diameter 27 mm,we need 244 turns of loading coil with a no 27 AWG wire (0.35 mm) than the coil resistance(RF resistance) is around 24 ohm With a good ground the efficientcy is only 0.36 % Hi Gito, The loading coil you described would be a very poor inductor with a low Q. To find the Q of a coil you use the formula Q =3D XL/R where XL is the inductive reactance of the coil at the operating frequency and R is the RF resistance of the coil at the operating frequency. A 300 uH coil operating at 1.6mHz has an XL of 3017 ohms. If you divide 3017 by 24 you get about 125 for the Q. A 3" diameter pipe for the antenna would require only 200uH at 1.6mHz. It is not hard to build a loading coil of 800 Q. I would not use wire any smaller than #14 for a Hi-Q loading coil and the length to diameter should be nearly equal for highest Q and the turns should be spaced about. one wire diameter. The proper construction Litz wire is even better at 1.6mHz. A seller on eBay has 660/46 Litz wire for sale which is what crystal set builders use to obtain highest Q. It is not hard for them to build coils of over 1000 Q using 660/46 Litz wire. A coil 6 inches diameter should be about 6 inches long for highest Q. For an 800 Q coil the RF resistance will be less than 4 ohms compared to the 24 ohm coil you described. That is a savings of over 20 ohms in the antenna circuit. There are many online calculators available to design a coil of 300uH or similar desired inductance using heavier gauge wire. 73 - Todd WD4NGG ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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That's why if You used that litz wire around a ferrite rot (2 ad more in pa= rallel) depending depending of the diameter the Ferrite,You can make a high= Q coil with less winding,that makes the R smaller. Gito ________________________________ From: Robert Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 9:56 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator =20 =C2=A0=20 But higher q lower the bandwidth. high q bad for cquam -----Original Message----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Sent: 7 Aug 2012 02:53:30 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator In a message dated 8/6/2012 8:08:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gito_maestro@yahoo.com writes: Hi A 3 meter antenna has an radiation resistance around 0.1 ohm (1.6 Mhz transmitter),and need a inductance of 300 micro henry.using a coil length= of 120mm ,and coil diameter 27 mm,we need 244 turns of loading coil with a no 27 AWG wire (0.35 mm) than the coil resistance(RF resistance) is around 24 ohm With a good ground the efficientcy is only 0.36 % Hi Gito, The loading coil you described would be a very poor inductor with a low Q. To find the Q of a coil you use the formula Q =3D XL/R where XL is the inductive reactance of the coil at the operating frequency and R is the RF resistance of the coil at the operating frequency. A 300 uH coil operating at 1.6mHz has an XL of 3017 ohms. If you divide 3017 by 24 you get about 125 for the Q. A 3" diameter pipe for the antenna would require only 200uH at 1.6mHz. It is not hard to build a loading coil of 800 Q. I would not use wire any smaller than #14 for a Hi-Q loading coil and the length to diameter should be nearly equal for highest Q and the turns should be spaced about. one wire diameter. The proper construction Litz wire is even better at 1.6mHz. A seller on eBay has 660/46 Litz wire for sale which is what crystal set builders use to obtain highest Q. It is not hard for them to build coils of over 1000 Q using 660/46 Litz wire. A coil 6 inches diameter should be about 6 inches long for highest Q. For an 800 Q coil the RF resistance will be less than 4 ohms compared to the 24 ohm coil you described. That is a savings of over 20 ohms in the antenna circuit. There are many online calculators available to design a coil of 300uH or similar desired inductance using heavier gauge wire. 73 - Todd WD4NGG ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Aug 07 17:50:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77321 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2012 00:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2012 00:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2012 00:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q780oMNU013010 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:50:22 -0400 X-Received: from core-mga002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.217]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 94465E000087 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7795.193766d9.3d5311ce@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:50:22 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:441096160:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a5021b7ce0787 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=0Gvkcv7OibZuzbdE9Z0nvI_pT9ZyEG7oVpJk_jJ9_GnwtndPwCRO X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 8/6/2012 10:56:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: But higher q lower the bandwidth. high q bad for cquam Hi Robert, I read in part15.us that you were planning to use a BE10 C-Quam exciter to drive an AMT5000 with. How did that project ever work out? Were you ever able to get it up and running? 73 - Todd WD4NGG From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Aug 08 07:47:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8348 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2012 14:47:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2012 14:47:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.150) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2012 14:47:00 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP76 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:47:00 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP76.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:46:58 -0700 To: References: <7795.193766d9.3d5311ce@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:47:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2012 14:46:58.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[A97B7930:01CD7574] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=DS0LoXDTpXJxQBZLFZ4agHnzMT9HuvH9FGSiHFrMhf-v X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i was but someone has donated totally free of charge he is even paying shipping a Radio Systems TR-20 carrier current am tx. i will be doing cquam over cc using the be and RSI tx. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Antenna Calculator > In a message dated 8/6/2012 10:56:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > > But higher q lower the bandwidth. high q bad for cquam > > > Hi Robert, > I read in part15.us that you were planning to use a BE10 C-Quam > exciter to drive an AMT5000 with. How did that project ever work > out? Were you ever able to get it up and running? > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 09 05:21:45 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94097 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2012 12:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2012 12:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.118) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2012 12:21:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1344514904; bh=cShUxmY+yUQYp0Qq9wwbQBZqHw+ktbMcppnVwzL9qh8=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:X-Received:To:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=OWn95tTWXluvDtyiVo2nIVCFQ9AS47FyHo1kyp4nATNVistETrBrQRXp1UUCbDgNNufXG/V/RueejgQc1LYzBp8co8bzb76rlBhytcL7LA4Xkwy0ivjEiq9WFb0sYCjd Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2012 12:21:44 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2012 12:21:44 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61935 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2012 17:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2012 17:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.143) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2012 17:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP6 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:36:06 -0700 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP6.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:36:05 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:35:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2012 17:36:05.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6331540:01CD6F42] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert P Chrysafis Subject: this stuff needs to go!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=deO2Grm2PVxI-6FMs25bvAIjxK3-utaocPrb35_5ZDyr X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 09 Aug 2012 12:21:42 -0000 i need to sell this stuff off to help my YL pay some bills. she needs to come up with car payment and money to pay for the brake repair. ASAP. not tomorrow, not today, but yesterday. need to sell a lot. check out http://denveryardsale.tk consider buying some stuff to help me get some bills paid. i have removed the prices just make offers. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Aug 11 08:44:47 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98293 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2012 15:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2012 15:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.174) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2012 15:44:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1344699885; bh=9X1Y9Ch/00+iVyeeUj4KtZxk9VDrcmZcQvz5nTlHa18=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u+6E/SomL0gBSixVYF3gHsd5JbPAkJcmUyyhKpB2Jd/gdvmEUBFoaeQP26McHzGNGHqrsvvghw7aKBCtTcw7AQ45cpJimyX0Cs5U/z9X7iIjmknOH+N6UKYENgC0mr70 Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2012 15:44:45 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2012 15:44:45 -0000 Date: 11 Aug 2012 15:44:44 -0000 Message-ID: <1344699884.2494.55941.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. 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Pg 2.pdf Uploaded by : kc8gpd Description : You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/iAM%20Schematics/I.A.M.%20Pg%202.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, kc8gpd From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Aug 11 08:45:19 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99668 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2012 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2012 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.44) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2012 15:45:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1344699918; bh=TDTz+XdV8Zdr7kmbjZ/ZpIL5RR/kXJlbAoq9zoFoMbo=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mRi7BJJx4q4EjZd2cz5xjqz9U1yK+AO4pBS7iKqHfcIvMk9r2FukTyVZhPBQDfsiyxein8U6HyEZeqAL3cjq9jDzmlhv11g7xukTN8CgeNfLCBNSRKXnhzTfyceiXpSE Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2012 15:45:18 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2012 15:45:18 -0000 Date: 11 Aug 2012 15:45:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1344699918.1531.64174.w1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /iAM Schematics/I.A.M. Pg 3.pdf Uploaded by : kc8gpd Description : You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/iAM%20Schematics/I.A.M.%20Pg%203.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, kc8gpd From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 20:41:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16458 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2012 03:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2012 03:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.135) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2012 03:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2012 03:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2012 03:41:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 03:41:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1343843667.7423.5673.w5@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 96.239.238.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.239.238.197 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=5A7kMNJqSpAOEmdVKZl6VivdOc5lKG9PXiGFaoeMQtK-KWSzxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Please note that I deleted this file because the full version can already b= e found in the "mp3-intl" folder of the Files section. -Kevin T. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /CFCO+thats life EDIT.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : toledohamradio =20 > Description : FANFARE Tuner - CFCO Sample File - Liner + "That's Life"= =20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CFCO%2Bthats%20life%20E= DIT.mp3=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, >=20 > toledohamradio > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 09:51:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66661 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2012 16:51:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2012 16:51:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.140) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2012 16:51:16 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP208 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:51:16 -0700 X-EIP: [y4yuwUyMx94wFtviyl7/K0u1ZCCEuMTw] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP208.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:51:14 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:51:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2012 16:51:14.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[590307F0:01CD7BCF] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Nc120e calibration? - cquam carrier current install X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=re8H47YzA8VZ32eihLG8yUHQMYQdOtF3F98Ga6fK9ckY X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Is there anyone in the Denver area who would care to assist me in checking my fim against a Potomac and helping me setup and tune my cquam carrier current system. I had someone donate the final peice to complete my cc setup and its a nice rsi tr20 TX Would appreciate and be thankful to the engineer able to take time from their busy schedule to help me finish. It's been a long ten years gathering up the proper equipment and now I finally have all the proper peices. need to properly adjust crl stereo processors setup the be cquam to rsi TX and put it on an open frequency and then hook it all up to AC wiring and adjust feild strentgh. Thank you Rc From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Aug 17 06:02:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63426 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2012 13:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2012 13:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173015pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2012 13:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.201]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M8W00GWDHKJIWP0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:02:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <66D96B9FCB2F4EA2864CCDD6F037A74E@RichardPC> To: References: In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:02:44 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Slightly OT: WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WGUL in 2002 was a simulcasting AM/FM station that served the Tampa/St. Pet= e area and areas to the north. Their coverage was unusual in that they cove= red the Tampa/St. Pete metro area with their AM signal, and they covered so= me other counties further to the north with their FM signal. Both combined,= WGUL covered a large part of central Florida. Yesterday I posted a YouTube video of an aircheck of WGUL back in 2002. To = me, WGUL was everything that local radio should be. This particular clip wa= s recorded off the AM side of the station. I recorded a total of 4 or 5 dis= ks of WGUL that morning. I regret that the posted version of the aircheck i= s =E2=80=9Cscoped=E2=80=9D (meaning most of the music has been clipped out)= , for copyright reasons. The link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7D7Zivl7Cps . Naturally, I re= alize this kind of music may not be everyone=E2=80=99s cup of tea! For the visual part, I downloaded some pictures of Tampa, St. Pete, & Clear= water from the Internet to give people something to look at while the airch= eck is playing. I hope the aircheck shows just how good live and local radio can sound. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Aug 17 06:22:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93589 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2012 13:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2012 13:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qa0-f41.google.com) (209.85.216.41) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2012 13:22:34 -0000 X-Received: by qafk30 with SMTP id k30so1456919qaf.7 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 06:22:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.135.67 with SMTP id m3mr3764557qct.26.1345209753920; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 06:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gq10sm10411104qab.18.2012.08.17.06.22.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Aug 2012 06:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <66D96B9FCB2F4EA2864CCDD6F037A74E@RichardPC> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:22:28 -0400 Message-Id: <1644B641-4081-485E-8F63-C35E5E9F8F31@gmail.com> References: <66D96B9FCB2F4EA2864CCDD6F037A74E@RichardPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly OT: WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=jJMRBT1cC1JUxtBH0R-8hWO7Oll06DfZJlaIBqXrI-or8hY4aQR2DwU45aN35w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 17, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Dick W. wrote: > WGUL in 2002 was a simulcasting AM/FM station that served the Tampa/St. Pete area and areas to the north. WGUL was strange in that the FM had distorted Audio and noise in it as well, but the AM sounded wonderful, in fact it was the best sounding AM in the Tampa Market. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Aug 17 06:44:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32820 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2012 13:44:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2012 13:44:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.9) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2012 13:44:19 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.201]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M8W00AL2JHSN4B0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:44:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <13D441A4D4C64EF98CAB37578875ED9D@RichardPC> To: References: <66D96B9FCB2F4EA2864CCDD6F037A74E@RichardPC> <1644B641-4081-485E-8F63-C35E5E9F8F31@gmail.com> In-reply-to: <1644B641-4081-485E-8F63-C35E5E9F8F31@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:44:17 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly OT: WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree =E2=80=93 WGUL-AM sounded wonderful. During the period that the st= ation was AM Stereo, it really sounded good. This particular aircheck was = recorded off of the speaker of a GE Superadio. I actually had to reduce th= e bass before posting the aircheck. Dick W. From: Kevin Raper=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 9:22 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly OT: WGUL =20=20 On Aug 17, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Dick W. wrote: > WGUL in 2002 was a simulcasting AM/FM station that served the Tampa/St. P= ete area and areas to the north.=20 WGUL was strange in that the FM had distorted Audio and noise in it as well= , but the AM sounded wonderful, in fact it was the best sounding AM in the = Tampa Market. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Aug 17 07:05:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62174 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2012 14:05:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2012 14:05:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-10.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.170) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2012 14:05:48 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120817090542103201200010> for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:05:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <502E4FB3.3020309@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:05:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:05:42 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <66D96B9FCB2F4EA2864CCDD6F037A74E@RichardPC> <1644B641-4081-485E-8F63-C35E5E9F8F31@gmail.com> <13D441A4D4C64EF98CAB37578875ED9D@RichardPC> In-Reply-To: <13D441A4D4C64EF98CAB37578875ED9D@RichardPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly OT: WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BXCI4dTTcLWFfynk1BPgNpfBSqH9eo6YmJqA0Z-P8LhcV-qpOSb0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/17/2012 8:44 AM, Dick W. wrote: > I agree – WGUL-AM sounded wonderful. During the period that the station > was AM Stereo, it really sounded good. This particular aircheck was > recorded off of the speaker of a GE Superadio. I actually had to reduce > the bass before posting the aircheck. I was going to ask why it sounded mono. Thanks for the info. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Aug 17 07:31:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50813 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2012 14:31:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2012 14:31:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qa0-f45.google.com) (209.85.216.45) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2012 14:31:11 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id c10so1691303qad.11 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:31:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.135.74 with SMTP id m10mr3510861qct.62.1345213870762; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gq10sm10533528qab.18.2012.08.17.07.31.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <13D441A4D4C64EF98CAB37578875ED9D@RichardPC> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:30:58 -0400 Message-Id: References: <66D96B9FCB2F4EA2864CCDD6F037A74E@RichardPC> <1644B641-4081-485E-8F63-C35E5E9F8F31@gmail.com> <13D441A4D4C64EF98CAB37578875ED9D@RichardPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly OT: WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=fUrnHNLeC3fhheKUT6YfSdvOuNLC4y5O0Nw3ud11VJFRZUa58Jv70-zbceajSg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Aug 17, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Dick W. wrote: > I agree =96 WGUL-AM sounded wonderful. During the period that the statio= n was AM Stereo, it really sounded good.=20=20 I was in the Tampa Market from 2002 till 2007, so I witnessed Tampa Radio g= oing to Hell in a Handbasket right before my very Radio. :-( 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Aug 17 07:43:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82934 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2012 14:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2012 14:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173017pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.17) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2012 14:43:34 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8; reply-type=original X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.201]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M8W00KSCM8BYX30@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:43:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <66D96B9FCB2F4EA2864CCDD6F037A74E@RichardPC> <1644B641-4081-485E-8F63-C35E5E9F8F31@gmail.com> <13D441A4D4C64EF98CAB37578875ED9D@RichardPC> In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:43:24 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly OT: WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Yes, it's sad. At one time it was a great market, with lots of variety, something for everyone, and most of it live and local. Now most of it is syndicated talk, with some Hispanic and brokered infomercial stations thrown in. It's very different than it was a few years ago. Dick W. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Raper Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:30 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly OT: WGUL On Aug 17, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Dick W. wrote: > I agree – WGUL-AM sounded wonderful. During the period that the station > was AM Stereo, it really sounded good. I was in the Tampa Market from 2002 till 2007, so I witnessed Tampa Radio going to Hell in a Handbasket right before my very Radio. :-( 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Aug 17 08:08:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73378 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2012 15:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2012 15:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gh0-f174.google.com) (209.85.160.174) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2012 15:08:45 -0000 X-Received: by ghrr11 with SMTP id r11so4067589ghr.19 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.182.228 with SMTP id o64mr8452970yhm.85.1345216124717; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z5sm7104833ang.7.2012.08.17.08.08.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:08:42 -0400 Message-Id: References: <66D96B9FCB2F4EA2864CCDD6F037A74E@RichardPC> <1644B641-4081-485E-8F63-C35E5E9F8F31@gmail.com> <13D441A4D4C64EF98CAB37578875ED9D@RichardPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly OT: WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Mh685nSX7ggrPoE8_GxQCXTa8xzZGd_2vf5pQJBH6yZBTEBzSG8lST9NC38Jww X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Dick W. wrote: > Now most of it is > syndicated talk, with some Hispanic and brokered infomercial stations thrown > in. It's very different than it was a few years ago. We still have a few rays of Hope in our Market. 1510 WQUL is Live and Local playing Classic Hits. 1240 WSQL is live in Drive Time playing Oldies in the Northern part of the market, and just to our Southeast, 1240 WKDK is Live and local for most of the day playing AC. The FMs are just Cookie Cutter formats you hear in every market. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Aug 17 08:38:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63434 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2012 15:38:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2012 15:38:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173019pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.19) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2012 15:38:03 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.201]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M8W00JZ7ORACZG0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:38:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <66D96B9FCB2F4EA2864CCDD6F037A74E@RichardPC> <1644B641-4081-485E-8F63-C35E5E9F8F31@gmail.com> <13D441A4D4C64EF98CAB37578875ED9D@RichardPC> In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:37:59 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly OT: WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That=E2=80=99s good to hear, Kevin. We do have a new live and local here, = in the form of sports radio. CBS Tampa has created 98.7 =E2=80=9CThe Fan= =E2=80=9D, which is also simulcast on 1010 AM, and has live, all-local tale= nt 24 hours. They are simulcasting because 98.7 has some signal problems e= ast of Tampa. The prime-time shows seem to feature two hosts, which makes = it more interesting. So far the station seems to be getting good reviews o= n the various boards.=20=20 This makes the 2nd talk or sports format on FM in this area (102.5 being th= e other). Of course, talker WFLA-AM has been installing FM translators aro= und the area, so if you stay in one place you may find them on FM as well. Dick W. From: Kevin Raper=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:08 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly OT: WGUL =20=20 On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Dick W. wrote: > Now most of it is=20 > syndicated talk, with some Hispanic and brokered infomercial stations thr= own=20 > in. It's very different than it was a few years ago. We still have a few rays of Hope in our Market. 1510 WQUL is Live and Local= playing Classic Hits. 1240 WSQL is live in Drive Time playing Oldies in th= e Northern part of the market, and just to our Southeast, 1240 WKDK is Live= and local for most of the day playing AC. The FMs are just Cookie Cutter formats you hear in every market. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 17 10:55:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77835 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2012 17:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2012 17:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.230) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2012 17:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.22.93] by nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2012 17:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.41] by tm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2012 17:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2012 17:55:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 200969.24148.bm@omp1041.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93185 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2012 17:55:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5hvRCmoVM1kpBOWEQqq4JxSqVR33PJxUlMIj0c1hPF5G8Q9 Y8_MLsDbz.wbiH2EIotQ4pI9VdppWIhB0psl9dFdRfKKBlOjAqJAACM2D30X WcdCNiNGBi.FDbbg6UHv17Pb9Xb8udnaUQA3r1JAPAdpijQ6V9L7r.k5BImR oFWuyIS7.VulFrXYF64kgd5WI4yF7IjrVo7pkeuSBDWDFb9Q.zmzbrplpAYN BSWkP66.aBzzGna4XRA.T73M.atfIhQ56eDb.yrL2uxNFOrQvA1TJml0Qg1d c2ZTk5DS405HKgvJF1KOSgtG9jl4ABeMRvGOGz8EBtoqrLMI9lYhR_Efuuql NfKVLCQ8b.OhOVIjFHxQpRavgn5JeojD4oSwdA1cHjwgCN6H1POQfZrLuSuT ida6LWsDo1RNdZ8KFeWrAu.naHActjGZHGob8WIEG0ZF5xtnjzsfpTfx9UyB dVrt8ub1.aBi4dTUj3eLYXCuN.YEOeAjSocNihPq23wjWwreoTYpqlZYYVDu IBcBapfM- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:55:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1345226113.91223.YahooMailClassic@web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:55:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Slightly OT: WGUL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Uzl3WHvwoFa-UUYWFJBwmmcK_NPnm9z2z8g1_j5LRHY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Actually WKDK has AC, new Country that fits the format and oldies all mixed together. Powell WKDK NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/17/12, Kevin Raper wrote: > > We still have a few rays of Hope in our Market. 1510 WQUL is > Live and Local playing Classic Hits. 1240 WSQL is live in > Drive Time playing Oldies in the Northern part of the > market, and just to our Southeast, 1240 WKDK is Live and > local for most of the day playing AC. From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Thu Aug 23 03:18:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78729 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2012 10:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2012 10:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2012 10:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2012 10:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2012 10:18:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:18:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.86.133.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.86.133.127 From: "bigsatbsb" Subject: Facebook Am Stereo Brasil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=NxLByx0jMM1_4pv3dZJEx9PWWRv8r5Oosr-aaXNb-WoA3WYg X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb http://www.facebook.com/amstereo.brasil From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 23 09:33:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53650 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2012 16:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2012 16:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.149) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2012 16:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP135 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:33:40 -0700 X-EIP: [3YQMlMkuNI1kDZr0i6AMza/c0pikGPG7] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP135.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:33:39 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:33:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2012 16:33:39.0111 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CD12370:01CD814D] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: part and manual needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=jVZOjlM-7cfaExyJeu2aMLgSceuOBoGTVikNB-eM39dV X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I am trying to complete my cquam carrier current. I need scans of the entire manual for the motorola 1310 monitor i need to locate a ceramic 10k trim pot that will handle 1v x 1a maximum to repair a Radio system TR20 phase II tx someone donated any body have these around and would care to help me out? From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 23 09:43:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24560 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2012 16:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2012 16:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s28.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.167) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2012 16:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP179 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s28.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:43:51 -0700 X-EIP: [0ek7zEa/PIQvlSUJriz18SVMlAce7hrK] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP179.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:43:50 -0700 To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:43:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2012 16:43:50.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[7916EC30:01CD814E] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} part and manual needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=tEy4ncYs49Lz6PEZywfc_wnxdDD1Qyf8VGuwp4JWgOmX X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd it's the bias trim pot on the rf amplifier board in the tr20 phase 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Part 15 AM engineer" To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:33 AM Subject: {AMSF} part and manual needed >I am trying to complete my cquam carrier current. > > I need scans of the entire manual for the motorola 1310 monitor > > i need to locate a ceramic 10k trim pot that will handle 1v x 1a maximum > to > repair a Radio system TR20 phase II tx someone donated > > any body have these around and would care to help me out? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Aug 26 17:56:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91903 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 00:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 00:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.144) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 00:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 00:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 00:56:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 00:56:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=6eC_bbC2G_CUDHpFwZDn51NpVJ64lLXM7s0vdzi42rqfHj-aUg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample I r= ecorded the other night=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuuBdLjICvZQ Dave UK From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Aug 26 19:07:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 515 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 02:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 02:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 02:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7R27Idq002559 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:07:18 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 65299E000087 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:07:18 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:397691360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d503ad6561edc X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=3s6KZuJEJ7tfJW36bNB-I19YqKcNBv78XxQ9GrJbZCbphE-Xzz3M X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Dave, thanks for the France Bleu aircheck in AM Stereo. I could hear some ambience and separation in the music in spite of the narrow bandwidth. Glad to know AM Stereo is still alive and well in Europe. One thing I noticed is I could not hear a trace of any platform motion. I believe this is due to the much tighter frequency control broadcasters have in Europe. The stations are probably well within 1 Hz of each other so there is little or no chance of platform motion like we get here in the U.S. with the poor frequency tolerance allowed in the AM band of +/- 20Hz. You get 2 stations mixing that are 5-10Hz off frequency from each other and your head swims from the platform motion at night when trying to listen in C-Quam Stereo. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 8/26/2012 8:56:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk writes: Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample I recorded the other night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuBdLjICvZQ Dave UK From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Aug 26 19:27:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88894 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 02:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 02:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iy0-f175.google.com) (209.85.210.175) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 02:27:51 -0000 X-Received: by iaky10 with SMTP id y10so7303460iak.34 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:27:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.10.197 with SMTP id k5mr8607634igb.39.1346034471452; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:27:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:27:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:27:51 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.175 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=AdWyW5PgiOLJInb5wLIE3xrtFHfS4JmiLIptN7euAb2YDaWW X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool, this is the only AM stereo station I have heard off the air so far. You are right, it was a bit narrow but still gave the stereo circuitry a bit of a workout :) Were you near Paris or in a neighboring country? On 27 August 2012 10:07, wrote: > ** > > > Dave, thanks for the France Bleu aircheck in AM Stereo. I could hear some > ambience > and separation in the music in > spite of the narrow bandwidth. Glad to know AM Stereo > is still alive and well in Europe. > > One thing I noticed is I could not hear a trace of any platform motion. I > believe this is > due to the much tighter frequency control broadcasters have in Europe. Th= e > stations are > probably well within 1 Hz of each other so there is little or no chance o= f > platform motion > like we get here in the U.S. with the poor frequency tolerance allowed in > the AM band of > +/- 20Hz. You get 2 stations mixing that are 5-10Hz off frequency from > each > other > and your head swims from the > platform motion at night when trying to listen in C-Quam Stereo. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > In a message dated 8/26/2012 8:56:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk writes: > > Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample I > recorded the other night > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuuBdLjICvZQ > > Dave > UK > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Aug 27 00:45:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61170 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 07:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 07:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.195) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 07:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:45:23 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.251] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:45:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:45:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 566848.9519.bm@omp1016.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 42029 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2012 07:45:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YzlqtzoVM1l2udA9yZFq7bP90JkqCFOCpJKERGVPXAbiSqR N3YPi.arhJOraQoPFSyYGnmkuJmqIqNlqPtah1g6CUtr5Hh2MJTC_tTV6vw4 2Ndjj9pCAAMevCLDns6VBjg2_E4IuT8ni.uFX3vAynYMqA.Mut_RNVyjt6.T vHDQtXHqWWLBEKYoYTVedkrktsKekoMYHkhaFRcwd8MJgzQUPlZLfWhGJ3D. 4fROR2qW7CayDg4hqvjRZPVDBzVvpSzbb7mAak7bVPoo28lTFYEzMtszwMh1 lKrswmsvWBvMbtvu6V1K9XI.8DYEMXo7USDNG9USfjBy9eXqm0s3cSDQA3E7 qY.ozsMaLqJgEeIEEuOVw6yT.UZzJv_uNt1Y3uG8A7618FTfXx5oSJmB29WU bGN.uEhRtklUM8Sgsiqjkc2RTRlhNzwhUZNAViKPpnF8Av9p8CgcyDJSPkks rpPc.l3D1LjanodKRoIC7FbRGGznKmhwcWUI98Lnla_oGpNWEAn5VU18of_0 yrq5G_.8O41T3at8ZlWJXt3DuICo7DKCD9CuXzRkMip.jsPfJ.QHRWOoHbbz .vqUrVfZixZBFLMGSNlIgZjGqHh1uAjfeM0tgcZyumfDkQPAP2ZdGvUn6Vy1 tHiDGoRBkwWk_zgG7t2HM763j4KfgIB4HCLrw9TNj0ZW.2EnyBOndv7vEzDK 2MgkOa64G_6Hic88qqK4O6ywdkGDwTwCr7FSAb6BQWaCA2991ozIo3MBCc3L Ix7Pvy6WSmZLd3HwpHKbJMFP_dhp6JXQTbJ6f.p3VDkvNF3VslHXTFNQbMCk 9F8BuEUYM__7kguw0JiXnKrhP3BybOF8nB3yxN4m6s76J5ejHXeJW0mEEUKa aEH674W45Ou_lUM7sQuB8uc1lmEK0b4DyYuXcx5ptFMvtnHVaF3udVH5FaiN NtZxcC5.pxCcPftujXR1ZGsYUHNGskJZUJEE9jF4- X-Received: from [46.195.182.140] by web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:45:23 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: Message-ID: <1346053523.41563.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:45:23 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=anMswWK2Kem-BS_AIPM9ZmrDFcS4LvRAcm0crB-yZllawPk X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =A0 how about AMS in 15 kHz bandwidth???? Can be done in a specific AM spectrum= , place and space for AMS in 15kHz.=20 Of course in europe.. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=E5n: Daniel Piccoli Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=E5ndag, 27 augusti 2012 4:27 =C4mne: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> Cool, this is the only AM stereo station I have heard off the air so far. You are right, it was a bit narrow but still gave the stereo circuitry a bit of a workout :) Were you near Paris or in a neighboring country? On 27 August 2012 10:07, wrote: > ** > > > Dave, thanks for the France Bleu aircheck in AM Stereo. I could hear some > ambience > and separation in the music in > spite of the narrow bandwidth. Glad to know AM Stereo > is still alive and well in Europe. > > One thing I noticed is I could not hear a trace of any platform motion. I > believe this is > due to the much tighter frequency control broadcasters have in Europe. Th= e > stations are > probably well within 1 Hz of each other so there is little or no chance o= f > platform motion > like we get here in the U.S. with the poor frequency tolerance allowed in > the AM band of > +/- 20Hz. You get 2 stations mixing that are 5-10Hz off frequency from > each > other > and your head swims from the > platform motion at night when trying to listen in C-Quam Stereo. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > In a message dated 8/26/2012 8:56:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk writes: > > Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample I > recorded the other night > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuuBdLjICvZQ > > Dave > UK > >=A0=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Aug 27 00:46:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21828 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 07:46:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 07:46:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm11-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.218) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 07:46:50 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.56] by nm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.124] by tm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:46:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 654819.48540.bm@omp1033.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83615 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2012 07:46:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: g63M_A8VM1ntTRodjU.JlY9GZ4bvvVgjghYF.uomaEkzp0L q0hd6e9aCwk2.P4FjmkJcYPIXnkHgp5JiMTXTfAKH.tqa2P5pRqIAAEYWhaL ZL32Fby6Tt2S6vJGApn8P0zIq8ZF0x_dcEBIRNd5O7Tcx.970fkzXURLcLKp 65A00dFvnX5x.Y1GRWE5RNPQqrTMDoANRy6rPkn6W45ubiVyW56B2zlm4V3s nXoTRnLwCYjLj8f0g3xMidZ0.MLrrLHYN9wsx7QT6gpVJ.9Djie6waHZy2du UqzkgWGaZROfzpkN3hsu.fUACQQQZY7YEEcQwKxxF54OQRPA97Uwok9d4Ufd yXSUeLrWRQ94AAxOcQQsgROSx3lELqEy0P_K3ONu2svWsunIYyGxSsXHoTM0 GQ4LmDwnxoUBW6nleycyCrhYHDFkSTh9fIqdZWisfnaRnsQ6D.92VhmAQf1Z KS61Dkpwkeele6DZnYB.H36cZGsmeysHtd2tVB16uiDBFxtd.lEdhxOIgbO6 VpaguWNum73gEmSnWUkMtFvhxsfE0dg2e.4BOW2jeVk4DPB0MWOAuzt4b3ka iHolhDQOojQPTOLCVcGHqhgZ2jY6iQ9uSq1u42gcevQAdBW_geZuVAFXKJzD 506TGKuIvlwNCW_DHiX_.ZGeFJoB1rQWvdBs5D9iVUTYMW_W_ERb7yPDbNcb nPzsxpgEhms..SmKNapj0JSERFDXSlfnGSw34HClOjYCd8EuH9x3LU1kMnwz Tq9IUpibbacnMxmJumvR5hsGTUb_7hb7wsnWM_aJ_HQMH01sWy6vXb5zwgHX rzsX8fBkRtGISuArvpoPHACRlLywjW1ytnEJjYdz1xqwKie5SUOjcVMDpNK. xbmLEaTE1kMXk3PGZ5X6HrGTAPx2th4CfST3Q96tYiSTO74DGh9zDBnoDwFS B74ljmPuRBO0ntWIS_HyApeUg57bo0F3Z4YrwdsU- X-Received: from [46.195.182.140] by web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:46:49 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: Message-ID: <1346053609.83248.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:46:49 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.218 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=CNzBpNc3aLjZ5FiynAY2YItE6Aqva9wgDSSmuLcIgdfS7Ww X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are lot of AMS in europe a new one in Italy 1566kHz??? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=E5n: Daniel Piccoli Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=E5ndag, 27 augusti 2012 4:27 =C4mne: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> Cool, this is the only AM stereo station I have heard off the air so far. You are right, it was a bit narrow but still gave the stereo circuitry a bit of a workout :) Were you near Paris or in a neighboring country? On 27 August 2012 10:07, wrote: > ** > > > Dave, thanks for the France Bleu aircheck in AM Stereo. I could hear some > ambience > and separation in the music in > spite of the narrow bandwidth. Glad to know AM Stereo > is still alive and well in Europe. > > One thing I noticed is I could not hear a trace of any platform motion. I > believe this is > due to the much tighter frequency control broadcasters have in Europe. Th= e > stations are > probably well within 1 Hz of each other so there is little or no chance o= f > platform motion > like we get here in the U.S. with the poor frequency tolerance allowed in > the AM band of > +/- 20Hz. You get 2 stations mixing that are 5-10Hz off frequency from > each > other > and your head swims from the > platform motion at night when trying to listen in C-Quam Stereo. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > In a message dated 8/26/2012 8:56:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk writes: > > Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample I > recorded the other night > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuuBdLjICvZQ > > Dave > UK > >=A0=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 00:51:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55950 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 07:50:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 07:50:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.189) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 07:50:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:50:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:50:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:50:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=291801476; y=Dfwtec9tdJr_9yeg28FpdSYbl7_DDQzgp9HDjgy6kLOSJ1e6Kw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan OK you have no local ams station you can receice ? I'm in Brighton on the south coast so it is there all day with me but much = stronger after dark, Radio Studio X from Italy on 1584 is still going in st= ereo but a lot harder to hear, will try to record something perhaps --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Cool, >=20 > this is the only AM stereo station I have heard off the air so far. You a= re > right, it was a bit narrow but still gave the stereo circuitry a bit of a > workout :) >=20 > Were you near Paris or in a neighboring country? >=20 > On 27 August 2012 10:07, wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Dave, thanks for the France Bleu aircheck in AM Stereo. I could hear so= me > > ambience > > and separation in the music in > > spite of the narrow bandwidth. Glad to know AM Stereo > > is still alive and well in Europe. > > > > One thing I noticed is I could not hear a trace of any platform motion.= I > > believe this is > > due to the much tighter frequency control broadcasters have in Europe. = The > > stations are > > probably well within 1 Hz of each other so there is little or no chance= of > > platform motion > > like we get here in the U.S. with the poor frequency tolerance allowed = in > > the AM band of > > +/- 20Hz. You get 2 stations mixing that are 5-10Hz off frequency from > > each > > other > > and your head swims from the > > platform motion at night when trying to listen in C-Quam Stereo. > > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > In a message dated 8/26/2012 8:56:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > amstereofan@... writes: > > > > Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample= I > > recorded the other night > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuuBdLjICvZQ > > > > Dave > > UK > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amstereofan@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 00:54:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60940 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 07:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 07:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.139) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 07:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:54:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:54:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1346053609.83248.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=291801476; y=k86dypFWS1YTaLBeeXxUKzxbVX9Fz7sUq2BMvOVIzdgc0zYXhg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Ah yes I was told about this one, this is what made me dig out my Sony JX22= 0a again, I think I got something the other night but it was not stong enou= gh to light up the cquam light unfotunatly ! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > There are lot of AMS in europe a new one in Italy 1566kHz??? >=20 >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 > Fr=E5n: Daniel Piccoli > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: m=E5ndag, 27 augusti 2012 4:27 > =C4mne: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> >=20 > Cool, >=20 > this is the only AM stereo station I have heard off the air so far. You a= re > right, it was a bit narrow but still gave the stereo circuitry a bit of a > workout :) >=20 > Were you near Paris or in a neighboring country? >=20 > On 27 August 2012 10:07, wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Dave, thanks for the France Bleu aircheck in AM Stereo. I could hear so= me > > ambience > > and separation in the music in > > spite of the narrow bandwidth. Glad to know AM Stereo > > is still alive and well in Europe. > > > > One thing I noticed is I could not hear a trace of any platform motion.= I > > believe this is > > due to the much tighter frequency control broadcasters have in Europe. = The > > stations are > > probably well within 1 Hz of each other so there is little or no chance= of > > platform motion > > like we get here in the U.S. with the poor frequency tolerance allowed = in > > the AM band of > > +/- 20Hz. You get 2 stations mixing that are 5-10Hz off frequency from > > each > > other > > and your head swims from the > > platform motion at night when trying to listen in C-Quam Stereo. > > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > In a message dated 8/26/2012 8:56:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > amstereofan@... writes: > > > > Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample= I > > recorded the other night > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuuBdLjICvZQ > > > > Dave > > UK > > > >=A0=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amstereofan@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 00:57:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9911 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 07:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 07:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.120) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 07:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 07:57:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:57:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1346053523.41563.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=291801476; y=WFPQ4590x4BTaNMVKbHrebLaFiwOp7RJmwvKNTeDfKfimnMOIw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan All I can say is dream on Roy ! NO one in the UK is even innterested in DRM on AM either --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi, > =A0 > how about AMS in 15 kHz bandwidth???? Can be done in a specific AM spectr= um, place and space for AMS in 15kHz.=20 > Of course in europe.. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 > Fr=E5n: Daniel Piccoli > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: m=E5ndag, 27 augusti 2012 4:27 > =C4mne: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> >=20 > Cool, >=20 > this is the only AM stereo station I have heard off the air so far. You a= re > right, it was a bit narrow but still gave the stereo circuitry a bit of a > workout :) >=20 > Were you near Paris or in a neighboring country? >=20 > On 27 August 2012 10:07, wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Dave, thanks for the France Bleu aircheck in AM Stereo. I could hear so= me > > ambience > > and separation in the music in > > spite of the narrow bandwidth. Glad to know AM Stereo > > is still alive and well in Europe. > > > > One thing I noticed is I could not hear a trace of any platform motion.= I > > believe this is > > due to the much tighter frequency control broadcasters have in Europe. = The > > stations are > > probably well within 1 Hz of each other so there is little or no chance= of > > platform motion > > like we get here in the U.S. with the poor frequency tolerance allowed = in > > the AM band of > > +/- 20Hz. You get 2 stations mixing that are 5-10Hz off frequency from > > each > > other > > and your head swims from the > > platform motion at night when trying to listen in C-Quam Stereo. > > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > In a message dated 8/26/2012 8:56:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > amstereofan@... writes: > > > > Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample= I > > recorded the other night > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuuBdLjICvZQ > > > > Dave > > UK > > > >=A0=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Mon Aug 27 03:35:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7619 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 10:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 10:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.202) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 10:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.22.78] by nm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 10:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.7] by tm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 10:34:30 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 10:34:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 950124.21786.bm@omp1007.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 58972 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2012 10:34:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IUSeEnMVM1n.frKhIO91uOtWbAEBOlUwTpkqk6qbsWFD_GB g3Fnmz1b_4bWXngM5TXydzxewnko5tAOiiPyMca642swVAemaw9KlJD3UHAO Th6IQFO6IbqHX0fgJocfaiC4uwL_vLl_4gmn5hpAbbLwVISlyK4ROo3lkrb0 1IUbiJFroHRRQXOl1drxYWqlBqYYizNAJcFMHnFeTRXtupttl5wBjEGKqo3f EIBAfPtYJtqEp3UbkvJWALaU2U2OBhw7rsU1OWiLo0h5LKF.DPKIifPsdoZl GJMtBIYgPQdxpIyFID4XSBZQLFqGlg_7q6nlWuXks7D3eEIXLyENMY52GPGy Ok.BKQvzkAFRaH10D4FlpfR5C4o6KLwIAOCgF8JdVSucoVm3V2iYm.oFHilz f3JsuZvdLGnZO0durfjW1XVj2etqEaE7rOWldzAwkEC58.zrMytrXe58lhvb 7oUnjXdPcwQOBYN298ZAeh5wVR25.Ig1QmW1AJmeWUnMG66HM9qVAXYHuvzt dETfKgc1SM4euEWju5zP2ao3dns42zvO4_DgKkDd0DfIP7_33zR0t0nsQWcG 647TbU98SYHjVIg6wZinMoyOp87ykacEzTMdqxamqdloIZbcQlf6CWrk0UpZ VjP9ybP2Uy9hb3Qm2fDb9JywA1KfQwdze2Hlmp4yfNd_AdRXsmZrSZBnlF5b HUlI8C.5LBMBc61CAf3YUShmZQk2oVoq_06.xUOV1vtGpOlHChL9F6c__ljr hM4f49q.OjnzZvfJnRuwRWFsAmGUUe4qnz39twno0.1YnlZfwvr6xhplSxtP D9Aqh5BD_juPgIaL2qNeM6Gitysbk__HIG0UYq9DwWOclvLO79Dm0o6XDsSs 7DeLGO7Jk6tKQWbI73vsoEHJBmp8dmCzRQ5X50WcU.knV72Rh_5vmNSnyDc5 _kOO74dXKmfZSpbf9e.ckeg8gVVn.FEUNzhXOIfR6OrsU6B9zcC1WYz9eKUq WORs8 X-Received: from [189.27.5.22] by web114504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 03:34:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: Message-ID: <1346063669.58959.YahooMailNeo@web114504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 03:34:29 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=8eC2KSCsFv_jh5Ie93C8HldnWbCL5ISU2Y7MwDm0iHwgIJzI X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave CONGRATULATIONS, Bananarama - Cruel Summer In Am Stereo by Bleu!!! Recording filed Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil My Radios Tuner Realistic Tm-152 Am Stereo Degen 1103 ________________________________ De: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 26 de Agosto de 2012 23:07 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> =20 Dave, thanks for the France Bleu aircheck in AM Stereo. I could hear some= =A0=20 ambience and separation in the music in=20 spite of the narrow bandwidth. Glad to know AM Stereo is still alive and well in Europe.=20 One thing I noticed is I could not hear a trace of any platform=A0 motion. = I=20 believe this is due to the much tighter frequency control broadcasters have in Europe. The= =A0=20 stations are probably well within 1 Hz of each other so there is little or no=A0 chance = of=20 platform motion like we get here in the U.S. with the poor frequency tolerance allowed in= =A0=20 the AM band of +/- 20Hz. You get 2 stations mixing that are 5-10Hz off frequency from each= =20 other=20 and your head swims from the=20 platform motion at night when trying to listen in C-Quam Stereo. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 8/26/2012 8:56:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=A0=20 amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk writes: Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample I= =A0=20 recorded the other night=A0=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuuBdLjICvZQ Dave UK ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Is just like FM, but better in my car...than FM stereo Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: amstereofan Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 27 augusti 2012 9:57 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> =C2=A0=20 All I can say is dream on Roy ! NO one in the UK is even innterested in DRM on AM either --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren = wrote: > > Hi, > =C2=A0 > how about AMS in 15 kHz bandwidth???? Can be done in a specific AM spectr= um, place and space for AMS in 15kHz.=20 > Of course in europe.. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 > Fr=C3=A5n: Daniel Piccoli > Till: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 27 augusti 2012 4:27 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> >=20 > Cool, >=20 > this is the only AM stereo station I have heard off the air so far. You a= re > right, it was a bit narrow but still gave the stereo circuitry a bit of a > workout :) >=20 > Were you near Paris or in a neighboring country? >=20 > On 27 August 2012 10:07, wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Dave, thanks for the France Bleu aircheck in AM Stereo. I could hear so= me > > ambience > > and separation in the music in > > spite of the narrow bandwidth. Glad to know AM Stereo > > is still alive and well in Europe. > > > > One thing I noticed is I could not hear a trace of any platform motion.= I > > believe this is > > due to the much tighter frequency control broadcasters have in Europe. = The > > stations are > > probably well within 1 Hz of each other so there is little or no chance= of > > platform motion > > like we get here in the U.S. with the poor frequency tolerance allowed = in > > the AM band of > > +/- 20Hz. You get 2 stations mixing that are 5-10Hz off frequency from > > each > > other > > and your head swims from the > > platform motion at night when trying to listen in C-Quam Stereo. > > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > In a message dated 8/26/2012 8:56:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > amstereofan@... writes: > > > > Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample= I > > recorded the other night > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuuBdLjICvZQ > > > > Dave > > UK > > > >=C2=A0=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: amstereofan Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 27 augusti 2012 9:57 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> =C2=A0=20 All I can say is dream on Roy ! NO one in the UK is even innterested in DRM on AM either --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren = wrote: > > Hi, > =C2=A0 > how about AMS in 15 kHz bandwidth???? Can be done in a specific AM spectr= um, place and space for AMS in 15kHz.=20 > Of course in europe.. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio >=20 > Fr=C3=A5n: Daniel Piccoli > Till: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 27 augusti 2012 4:27 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> >=20 > Cool, >=20 > this is the only AM stereo station I have heard off the air so far. You a= re > right, it was a bit narrow but still gave the stereo circuitry a bit of a > workout :) >=20 > Were you near Paris or in a neighboring country? >=20 > On 27 August 2012 10:07, wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Dave, thanks for the France Bleu aircheck in AM Stereo. I could hear so= me > > ambience > > and separation in the music in > > spite of the narrow bandwidth. Glad to know AM Stereo > > is still alive and well in Europe. > > > > One thing I noticed is I could not hear a trace of any platform motion.= I > > believe this is > > due to the much tighter frequency control broadcasters have in Europe. = The > > stations are > > probably well within 1 Hz of each other so there is little or no chance= of > > platform motion > > like we get here in the U.S. with the poor frequency tolerance allowed = in > > the AM band of > > +/- 20Hz. You get 2 stations mixing that are 5-10Hz off frequency from > > each > > other > > and your head swims from the > > platform motion at night when trying to listen in C-Quam Stereo. > > > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > In a message dated 8/26/2012 8:56:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > amstereofan@... writes: > > > > Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample= I > > recorded the other night > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuuBdLjICvZQ > > > > Dave > > UK > > > >=C2=A0=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 05:49:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59987 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 12:49:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 12:49:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f175.google.com) (209.85.213.175) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 12:49:43 -0000 X-Received: by yenm14 with SMTP id m14so552208yen.6 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 05:49:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.115.138 with SMTP id e10mr10753726yhh.79.1346071783081; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 05:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g41sm34291762yhn.10.2012.08.27.05.49.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 05:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:49:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1346070367.51900.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1346053523.41563.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346070367.51900.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=VH323OrXhfAb5iewFHRYo8WTHCQguv-HYR4kO1gvvStGwq4e00Mg-9JQ0ujX7A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > OK i'm dreaming now, but my TX in this band works 100% in AMS with 15kHz audio and 100watts. > Is just like FM, but better in my car...than FM stereo Where I am located, FM Stere suffers from Multipath and Picket Fencing due to the Hills and Mountains, but AM does not have these issues. The problem with AM is leaky Power Lines and LED Traffic Signals. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 05:50:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25946 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 12:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 12:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gh0-f172.google.com) (209.85.160.172) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 12:50:49 -0000 X-Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so870241ghb.31 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 05:50:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.184.9 with SMTP id r9mr10790736yhm.18.1346071849388; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 05:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g41sm34291762yhn.10.2012.08.27.05.50.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 05:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:50:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1346070453.82760.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1346053523.41563.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346070453.82760.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0AC21EF4-D9D4-4866-90E6-E91E4E2E9ED3@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.172 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=3Mv2NA825piZRuIrZIEvn3-0O1Wq2CoOgqOiRlj34KiqOONSZKlEPtOYj2rTeA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > DRM on shortwave is great.. DRM works so much better than our HD-Radio. It sounds better too. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Aug 27 06:25:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72353 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 13:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 13:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.163) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 13:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP245 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 06:25:38 -0700 X-EIP: [MrvqZzmoYYyQqbw49U1Qfh7ho14Ry+JO] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP245.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 06:25:36 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:26:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2012 13:25:37.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[71D702F0:01CD8457] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: 3-Tube AM Stereo Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=URsbUBiL20I-Jad6G4JSvA6sumZmAQJNZFMSTa6q_Hkg X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd http://electronbunker.ca/AM_StereoXMTR.html From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 06:31:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87284 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 13:31:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 13:31:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.234) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 13:31:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 13:31:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 13:31:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:31:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jr4z_rr_I-lzhiqpWJbnxBDT1F74zgtHf8GgNy7mj3kUiAjYb6WmUDc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I believe that some stations out in the boonines in Australia use 15KHz AM = audio bandwidth, so perhaps someone in Oz can chime-in if that's the case o= n the analog AM band where they're not using DRM or DRM+ ? From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 07:13:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64914 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 14:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 14:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ob0-f170.google.com) (209.85.214.170) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 14:13:01 -0000 X-Received: by obbwc18 with SMTP id wc18so3263370obb.15 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:13:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.168.106 with SMTP id zv10mr10496180igb.13.1346076780977; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:13:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:13:00 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=0Bf-AImc4XIfvt3OttGhGrx7IQWmc6ZSoQcRK2EPisdWsEOo X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable YouTube search for "magic 1278 quality issues". This is a nice example of a Melbourne station with 15khz response mono. Apparently no longer sounds as good. I can't check as I live on the other side of the country in Perth. There has been no am stereo here since about 2000. On Aug 27, 2012 9:31 PM, "toledohamradio" wrote: > ** > > > I believe that some stations out in the boonines in Australia use 15KHz A= M > audio bandwidth, so perhaps someone in Oz can chime-in if that's the case > on the analog AM band where they're not using DRM or DRM+ ? > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 07:24:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96051 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 14:24:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 14:24:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.8) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 14:24:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 14:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 14:24:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:24:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=291801476; y=c_ZcmWn566wZJE8HwC4ugg7fxPabH7ay8gAcNA0pct3k6yMxeg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > I believe that some stations out in the boonines in Australia use 15KHz A= M audio bandwidth, so perhaps someone in Oz can chime-in if that's the case= on the analog AM band where they're not using DRM or DRM+ ? > Yes this is true, I doubt this has changed since I heard if for myself when= I stayed in Melbourne in 2004, here is a sample of Magic 693 I recorded - = no stereo noticable but you can hear the crispness of the wide am bandwidth= :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfzG3timYkis From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Aug 27 07:54:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20330 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 14:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 14:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.68) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 14:53:59 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 14:53:58 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.236] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 14:53:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 14:53:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 760343.25015.bm@omp1001.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10313 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2012 14:53:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vSyXJ.YVM1l01t1hEzVfnxLHoTDqkfr_YKgHCJi1GIhEMsm _v4zJUGV853wMHGpGEMLm8U0GOsc.Gg3M.FIOpJdi.bdCm7Y8XQTNlEN0uhk Y9Hp1IBj8uAtuX.VWXokNofoCEq0XFfy2WSp3ZvBTQjhcd0GhepXQ2f3KcIt hIx.WSIwgB.liKqpbl4QD9sdSV3YalxWikkA2DITLOC4VSQFxiqbcv0znZva wdf0K6RK1AGalddvUNAY1ig6t6HuOxnxMlbihBCPYVGms3KQX.2hayXdfl00 eyeKMHsyHc95C0JHFx8m.Wm_QErWNVFArCKBdPvChHF6eHi1BlNtU3q8TN75 JdykBXMyw38s7c_Ae3Ng08vpGK4sN8KLjdOUWqYwnP4QxRq.k8zvCGw6tQh3 uYfxNohAKkktnizZXT3rfuCG__LJUMAai6K86um6RCtTxlVsJaWs.iDCCAW5 0eaXlkWXvAmm5BU7MPAh_vkM2_5qUrUSKptP0Tk3cy7NFf5fbc8V2bfpj_uK uZULYz1PBZZQ.pL6SFKYD.H.hYXED4u_I9YIN18RRQb8HY9o0Z2cH9u3Oa0D PNoQiFg_17hkACeA6nRzKy0GVrbrHhfpK3IjPzdonQ0tewdfb9mS1ZE0E9Ry nAiWLLESjYoDHgrY8eaJh7AAT7V1SxZlLDO3CmZYfZrfecvy007xNXaY81Uz i.KfVudpkFzNRe7Fc9z83oqc67I1pGd9clspPo8.lmE_wyEEGRGFnlrELcMD hR9JMMACdBX7uVqvbJF6Zlzn01HnbUbj1Q2223S_i6CAkzqB_YrOzNNk00V0 ASRr8DlPOH3T5e9ujDhLoUf8qo231xbwAUd6tDjysp4dKRsnDmfQ._Q.pyDv HozrIJy8sutycufzdPsQ45rBu5PdY51iDLAEPsHWv0q3Sw985JfbwjPV4bEz y9RFd45lAbGM0aQ1XDTz_zX9mWksRPxU3.hrx13QSoEE15PsAUEv3MnrOF96 PSKYNeGVgmGkHhBpNA8oDpqR7VIREaGiH7GNp_d76itiOzBOJwzB4sqzMpyC dHOWiEo8fdlmrjtceQOoN2NAWZ1ywhlMpBODMV9AfAso03Bnv7gfe0xv4Que 3d5nHbAtREvBnyydPtMmX95_V4c8AsdXLpFDW0zGzpeByCm4NN7DRMsJ.sPQ TOz4I85A8Vfy0NvemouYB.lri2tdJYzWuZjr7rHs4njog8_DRV6G0kr03tU8 VQoMeo7RU5gW3MJhb_LR.WRHR5ogZoMe4Jjqbh7Squt5b23WZ_VwtMLydf7S gezHS9bBprFgm3ritPY.WiW_Q3RgZrwxmlt1SY4zAo58HBiGo7.BOTW4j5oz WIrqkkjF13_sI6CnTNX6OTu6jXyYumNN7ExxrxysSbhhj1zZHTbLnA9m4hxM naD42ouNK1XsRsjGTXHKfsCZPtaXJWte3lPyOBmcf3dayKfaH2iMkB_Co8wu m7uk7C9bM4XGcKwEcWHMGiOi1yK1ErwSUHO.XoHD3bJMYP0nMAhjG2swAgL4 JQviQYlBuvN5gjbJHFpqFnus82Z8lwzAGagqA4MV9ljbO4ju1T7ptgDbjPSi 7bs32n5gJk3ccnPLKEPMLL.YopWQu0W_FqT0jFx4JBkhJybssB.m7gv..Fz0 TdmdblKH0Y3jO.q_GluRr0TahRnbPkTlQKuQS8gHsEuaB01sWYRp8Lwq1mvY aeMq7.gPT5pI2F87rdWehtopH3EkOLtSvK0IePoZ9o18hla2RycV._J7uog- - X-Received: from [46.195.190.132] by web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:53:58 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <1346053523.41563.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346070367.51900.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1346079238.99305.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:53:58 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.68 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=YYqab0S3vEV0g5d1mjX1iCIQXZQrcnyahJKPf7Qg5sH1JEM X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable However, =C2=A0 non dab or fm can replace the coverage of an AM transmission. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 27 augusti 2012 14:49 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> =C2=A0=20 On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > OK i'm dreaming now, but my TX in this band works 100% in AMS with 15kHz = audio and 100watts. > Is just like FM, but better in my car...than FM stereo Where I am located, FM Stere suffers from Multipath and Picket Fencing due = to the Hills and Mountains, but AM does not have these issues. The problem with AM is leaky Power Lines and LED Traffic Signals. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 08:17:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81838 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 15:17:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 15:17:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qc0-f181.google.com) (209.85.216.181) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 15:17:38 -0000 X-Received: by qcpx40 with SMTP id x40so2887739qcp.40 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:17:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.185.65 with SMTP id cn1mr24107720qab.48.1346080657736; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ej6sm13403091qab.0.2012.08.27.08.17.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:17:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1346079238.99305.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1346053523.41563.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346070367.51900.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346079238.99305.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=JOLOO7GlasUItNaA2jnzhlgTH6kYcNpVAbNkyF5QHtV67cKjTbc4YuO6ftfj8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > non dab or fm can replace the coverage of an AM transmission. I do wish we had Longwave Broadcasting in the USA. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Aug 27 08:44:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8145 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 15:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 15:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (212.82.109.229) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 15:44:54 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm23.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 15:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.120] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 15:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 15:44:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 851531.6124.bm@omp1029.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 98595 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2012 15:44:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2EFzH6EVM1kJr8XgD5J3kjJdP2ZweZd36clAIEs7Zp08kaq sPJ7aMQIqJellIN3f3Ye5KyyEuIpSG3LLo7ow0wF1ks7heabJluxm_ZeDx7c UQz0A9DpfR0CQ2Eyob0s34xzSb2eEwcu2oEnf0LxscjaEjgJPQ_5JOevl52N bqVh.uqb5lAiAi0o6JVzDVKumJLio6H64hbUrjeXGUPd6LdNnnlYDm27TBjq d_I8rwAgne2VmdMv4KigKMjcvNemRs.Fa1mgB8xwAxM40LsSClxPmIYFaaa6 n.MXbLQlJJSC_kvJnwkF53tkSq3skcgsdOPXAGQfbO1K9BROmte.YEbGgcfC Ckt6VIeUKSZczOFyJUWD4OriYILeV2Z40Lho4H043NgIaAIBf9RO1zhuEYe7 30GKNZ2V4eZt8ZDVT9MVqLLIOXRBDCZnbNu9Uc8RN8BBFXlccgRoRjnc65pA ksXi2h4_V0TknMga.stO78vRdx9d3RbcK4VjC6LKg9WLZ2oanrH3VyTRUyHr uvX3rXZJ3fNvt0Loo91MaPCwUHhLIWVZ6lPXpc3dJXEFWmC0gprXzSV4dikL ILA9oXcguTjAtoEnZUhVFoX8hpU_w4RVzuz.1vXysSYSVdgZitPavEXIWjaM Xt6bhj8tbzWzfPYQs4w6xnqC91iTwnvUfXGyotgKdHLfdQO9r19SvkZf8bYP AtabxT6_mfbIL31mav5xq_SLqM_Vu7EzDLwEuxlluBVhZWP1Rj5pTZdE4I_q 403I.19EoQV4Xuuf2KlPkfh1pQlWc0bG0YQKXIKdhnXs6qaKOqmwJ0MHX2W6 U_mH1on26lWmOE8LgnQNkm57OVDRrbE0EDskXdNCAc6pbLoYTUiQqa5ouFjx V0qWKNxIBnedOJlHcP2vIWQypWWE5D3j_VX3abnKMt4.IyWh0NEcqDpuG_oq EIq_KJTw8aWmP5sAb.tcPqNNiRRpEXMtKUiNOZPAQ9qOMIvxs9qkGsRgCvrq Wt.HQODpAdEgpLnWT7FisHPpArzcG57Mw2rMuNFAREls_XWsqTbtnPIaySIq 9OdERP_IXZMlvI92Fv7MrMrbiq4SZpstj0kfnXe7RL5owmpNzt9bWhO2d1Th RsLhMi4FMnzGQNlbCNoQrTFrmsALckNEQ5oY6CqzIR6QkT9JX24nmzyjyVS5 gQJbp4cJtk.xRRmZ0nREEOEjp21cWoiYdOjtjW7w4H0eDO4nCyO0nzWIRcrq dCCj__yYwmQncg5YwDetOH2TrbDu8bf1wzQ.Gr4LmfFzS5WDg6VB7fcyJmWW WTPf2E52.xOrLmjDrJgoWJ8LBDxzPjWVJO_sw3wsY3wFT8S8TuS9P1deUuwt TwrelPsTMlCtvJuMs1Qb.lE15usVkdMGpyrm18YD6seUc3Ed0Fhu5eZlzGPn 2nK9W6SoYxLInm24oRCQ8jlGT5jalC_vfHtAacNa3siFBuTekCShrCAfIbWG abwgm3BG9N99T.lQT2hVgOt57V8.MwQJvT8VqaBknhrgv_AZmqH9dOh7.MDS TXT6y3.s4sw1LUl9nb4pkuM8fyClv_TGFs.e_0ngyEoGZfxRtbCpROMDqb6y 9FK.KB1DHOewPxTg3myPooP3upfnC39yxfxrP_ixEdD_kk_lPGAzEaMu0w0b LgRM.N.jumUn5fomeiJsRM_tJUktvTanxp3l5WTR0wtk02igby2m5FalkbAJ HyQQ3sGTo.XCbHPud7IFcb68tXMU8zWuue6PWJT2taBkiAQePO1VbmjshUQ- - X-Received: from [46.195.190.132] by web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:44:53 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <1346053523.41563.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346070367.51900.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346079238.99305.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1346082293.95237.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:44:53 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 212.82.109.229 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=JFmsvBrrgc8mcWL2tVEBQxU4XR6VT9iFbwjT4Jx_l2zHIrM X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I can pic-up 216 kHz Monte Carlo, England, Germany, France, Poland.Kallinin= grad, 270kHz Chechia etc in my car daytime..I live in the very south of Swe= den close to Copenhagen denmark... Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 27 augusti 2012 17:17 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> =C2=A0=20 On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > non dab or fm can replace the coverage of an AM transmission. I do wish we had Longwave Broadcasting in the USA. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 13:15:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22528 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 20:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 20:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.38) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 20:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 20:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 20:15:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:15:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0AC21EF4-D9D4-4866-90E6-E91E4E2E9ED3@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=291801476; y=Xa8N48hTKYRSLEZ78VN-SAi7fF8-vAKb7C9GRTwYJ3TnOiROBw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Why do you think this ? I actually think the opposite, HD radio is a better= system=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > DRM on shortwave is great.. >=20 >=20 > DRM works so much better than our HD-Radio. It sounds better too. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 13:42:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22083 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 20:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 20:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.243) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 20:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 20:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 20:42:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:42:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.246.56.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.223 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=rz-9z1g5y9hfRdotqSV83zvoVNl6M4GVPv8Bps2jEgLpLGJ8cQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I just wonder... WHERE CAN WE GET GOOD (HI-FI) AUDIO STEREO AM TUNERS? ??? At least, here, in Chile, I know one or two Philips new models with a very = decent audio bandwidth (AM) but full mono, not stereo. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "amstereofan" wrote= : > > Although the same narrow bandwidth it still continues...here's a sample I= recorded the other night=20 >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuuBdLjICvZQ >=20 > Dave > UK > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 13:48:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31754 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 20:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 20:48:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f44.google.com) (209.85.213.44) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 20:48:40 -0000 X-Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56so1027946yhq.3 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:48:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.197.3 with SMTP id s3mr12369118yhn.1.1346100520159; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p21sm36317995yhj.11.2012.08.27.13.48.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:48:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <88E650E9-4FDA-4FD3-8602-CDD1DEC480D4@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Aq_sG_IXaZ511pizGQuwsHexU1AnriVJEuYsLVI8mK_y_YX3Bf6DQHuMNlhm1A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Jota wrote: > I just wonder... WHERE CAN WE GET GOOD (HI-FI) AUDIO STEREO AM TUNERS? ??? Here are Two places to get them! http://www.fanfarefm.com/products http://meduci.com 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Aug 27 13:55:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96498 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 20:55:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 20:55:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gh0-f176.google.com) (209.85.160.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 20:55:22 -0000 X-Received: by ghbz10 with SMTP id z10so1068712ghb.7 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:55:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.76.103 with SMTP id a67mr11960459yhe.69.1346100921611; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l25sm31364226yhk.8.2012.08.27.13.55.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:55:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <9BB0C282-C6DA-4029-8561-B140C3313FE6@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.176 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=LIbuKz9cC9plxbz71jmpp7WO0jL9ah4yAxhTqbNijZfxN9QerxFlhuGpM30msQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:15 PM, amstereofan wrote: > Why do you think this ? I actually think the opposite, HD radio is a better system I have listened to both systems quite a bit. I have also used DRM in the Ham Radio Bands. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Aug 27 15:09:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28512 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 22:09:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 22:09:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.71) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 22:09:13 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.50] by nm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 22:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.242] by tm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 22:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 22:09:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 389222.36384.bm@omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 51016 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2012 22:09:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qIqkuZIVM1mZLUF73ii.pKVM05AMJlfi59ujxX6VabcRSs5 iHR6otrEvSOKOiSl8KpPX.eqwK2zDiwdSY95pSGHxWsGwmI8MbQ6hgkv8A6l LoQN09roiFg2Ui8Sx3hHUsbWA_c4eIqMTbyfPtmKuLmb8OguH1msa51uMUaR I.TtBs_ya_wPTuM4B3gtjUQMQN1AdnaNdoO24yrtBVY.Xgb5INmx8hT6QG7y .8dxxkq1fChiuPQzvNSvL3DjdeHn3OCedzfPv7CXDPgOiLZunfrX.H9fqoGM e5V9fG9PHEZqXQNQLOd1AJQ6WXM00R9_HDOkjDC3CFDSvYQyOriGNSWkpy.a PhfIxAxfQsi9kRHZw_Q8n4RcIawsMuZTmqyRAoZO3A58HUOI8uUq.n3suBuL edj.R3uPqDYE893ZsS36MWDsO5nlq4H1edGRivE7_5gpeFuSzmIeQhVKr.zQ RQ1NZstpX2gjNqvytqBGiHU6BBMY9PDLSJE17YwsV36cd7H5PL6EuBBsOjNN wQgR9Jq1rUGZdfdCmJysnHim9LfWs4YZCC52Sw1gaYTukPg4KPcFtoiujJpk ppxn9uOgI0i6OAEu6uxmP8QtMqYO_oNjDhaIhrFVY7sqS9y7dKV6VSAOXeST HFnMjf.oTKB1juzNh8CHOjL87_neytwsXB5o_uQnkWWyOjQi8chVIJhDZIlo 9PFpIupFwT1_NrWpuc89HLlTaTCdCozSHPyYq7SncGOb.B_.9VkR0.z98Oul Ffg7yYzgwgSnxFveURFzNvTbdGMgrWcjUyjbdupjYq3MOPyNGf0j8UFz0PLD bCJ4m09uAUWrO_2B9JLS9JfhFa_gj_16bev2UrAdCP0VCN4YIFopPWZWanEX IooKoQUeoz66eN9fAUr7kxpYKk5Nz6vscbo8hwXhAMTzySlT41fuvwUElWT5 hnuxkuDb2CSpy0aLlekLRS.W5GwWJCWNyAnFBjXJL4iB3ZYFN5SivGYXbr9I NRdZFSENPD6.mPdWvOKytR7nzPPXHhfhmh4V3fG2zxwZ5y1h6JjDqezRbO4b MU24IlLScHAZT0Js3JODZLleIwMDOR63MM7ZcA6gqAPgDadp7kDIn9qf_Fb5 2mNN7SxrWOwh69KBqX5iz8jXrOwwg08FpQ2Wnxmba5DYWsTP50EH8Qj5X.nu DEU6DTl_BRn2f6IkbuW8IY7aHSGUBxiUWQ4KPq7rISjAOEymt.BmyZc_BtOI m.La6cPsIeo5yavVqaJE.BOcV4m4bH8z5LJAA.LoykvGokbCYKuGtC.0WJJH 7tHAGVX7fi8Z98dAoo4SJ3UTz.KU0d8EuKco7alfW3psMzQKGFGGx52ZQnLc x4xgGJUx2yjj3JrDyOugTFJAJraxpBn7LK7Y199wc.hAjJLE7zL5Ekw18xm. 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I actually think the opposite, HD radio is a bett= er system=20 I have listened to both systems quite a bit. I have also used DRM in the Ha= m Radio Bands. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Aug 27 15:09:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22514 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 22:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 22:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.35) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 22:09:49 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 22:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.121] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 22:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 22:09:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 143115.85167.bm@omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 51935 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2012 22:09:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4iP7c74VM1mExB1qmfhHGm7dOGCX3yhNFvnEzW3.Sn3Ojie OMkmJIUseZzlIiDOa72oAAqXpQFgpen0zHdHRtUwbRSfIDDNzml6uVbvTagb cJGKu7iVhill3Hx5vUuHNLc6WW57IEYAD1O1EMqryecxrYXEME_zO72GdR2c SUwvWzdaeek6YFPreKqt4a7bV2HA5S9ra6uWJxTVD0KjX.sTJqaN5raGOycw uMMISI7WyhjIZ216QK6hhz9yMFmuNo.QrLx.NfugRFWYh_BZ_UvcgLVrF_TR NtyU1oK4_zdpTpKdZjmLN6R4wvMSTCSzGYzspJYgzw_EFgexm79zgnu3cHBz DavK2E1cZ7miEzccpfWPV1kUnhGuAu7rNIXJxCS91wOS2tRz_qbtxjwjtaj6 UNozFhirtD8vvQaTCSxtx3KsCzLrZK8QemSoumnEPoiN6COwxxdfHLeJ6h37 gsUXWCor2zlKTJwLwXclVYMY2em1XLtf2c_vaIkyaUEvdAYBzxwrJWeWdNOu abq.isvh0hDL7.3vNvNhH3VZXNir.eXQw2bny2nlxZROV7Mvw9rqmH1Ur5Lb dPk34NHzztRlEwZjK0nzjxD3PuAx85Mq0O3dAJwx.QfUWk63abCxwT43cyDc sCQXG1vBaiPR9460TMOlHTAWEhYa.h31Qa2bg2chmsJ6dkm3ny2ZloCWUgc2 bBy4yFlz90liEwxQFlJlDnP7bnl7IrhbIScM6LIL7NRyGwCpRAyysPvYuXUV kjoAWJFK4rIJC2o2cvWSmQaSf7PovhIUXQ4aZNSn1oNoU3YmbLTVUiq8u65W x9xFityOa.4w3LbMgOFw2b.Fgeq3h76jhI3.UJIVqBcxVQgcCOsW3t.tH1mt ZUs0wIaeZueeM4QzTqvzVy8cVDZzqDi3e3d7iGmsf09Jup68TeENBkjBlAjd 6gRZz6hsdbQOKludm8DtRHfGRLuQRtB2z.kRontxFifTPW.5K8cqNkGrvru1 eLy2Yu9KZe30MjlCxzrjVHmeilRHtWyp7kmww93SXU4mD_Wwvcmf5mkEOmEJ 14jrlnky4obY.ad1l_Lee0Yzm0h8Y1rKZKaYokZa5UDLgikziN3shRBwCZmJ Amw1Mtq2RQdT8MkEv1ECXcjM_B.kOOqJiarc5C9PYKOx1H.TVRjXmQswZIZA WQvZ.S02zGbRxc0kTcZk5MXVWhMhKoKW2uInyIstQNdvUBK_qVExHWByuheF H5KLLV3TDBERWOOuXzCEw1Q5grPyQIyTxG3_vkc9L4A2rWMh3b_m1VWj9Dz8 RNb9RwNBbgQguh3xTKJIZ3_Q0rZJT7op1WQ326OUGpdgAdnQcwfUswVtloaQ IbItz._YkRmyxx3StKLn3QATndcMxlEiSsGg58sVz1bpeeSIGdGZNwtGcjbW ggr2_5sn6skrAEeo6m97Q3f_oTDfWl8MgIBk0K8CGbBJAwCzdMSa7px_3NcC 28V._DWxoRdWTAFsjyaXMwD88nvFCy18bF.bhg8bv_7fo_xVYZjhE5_Mwz_b ZSz4UIePSDbe6WvmMPyuybpWQw1_scaKvP0ZUNcHSsPEnfP5g.bhlvBagLX6 pX2JJXP05fXpFxh4xljgGM59SgfPCxgtzXWwQFYpVZHOPoZsRGtXFXc3q9.o RDbpSk0hPH8HfnXRZioBaSqTCeRt8nOL65FYrdU7.ds0b_IoI.t92GJ.i5AY 47c594iVngTzvoO8TC0t70eaLydr15dwwP9sHcaqh3vuKg4WRIly7D_VjBj_ yA1ashqlIPzRwLN9AyBOVNpoeKZ.77AZIbImALPSGWJPmBgGlzr6ouu5VTHh SaN86eWnNOCLtOW8AUhtIAA6QFvNotMmNMf3ac6KX X-Received: from [46.195.177.89] by web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:09:47 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <88E650E9-4FDA-4FD3-8602-CDD1DEC480D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1346105387.46889.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:09:47 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <88E650E9-4FDA-4FD3-8602-CDD1DEC480D4@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=jyyU6l1H_cBaQ00XP2Lju8prS40_tZncPjsDxQmnnrHSWGM X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Si Si correcto Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 27 augusti 2012 22:48 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> =C2=A0=20 On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Jota wrote: > I just wonder... WHERE CAN WE GET GOOD (HI-FI) AUDIO STEREO AM TUNERS? ??= ? Here are Two places to get them! http://www.fanfarefm.com/products http://meduci.com/ 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From awhichello@ieee.org Mon Aug 27 15:54:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: awhichello@ieee.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75219 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 22:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2012 22:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 22:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 22:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 22:54:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:54:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 122.49.202.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 122.49.202.152 From: "a" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=rCQmkgKNYDqiYiFbm8WAWLv518FIn0ZGBJxRsYpsxeRIkw X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > I believe that some stations out in the boonines in Australia use 15KHz A= M audio bandwidth, so perhaps someone in Oz can chime-in if that's the case= on the analog AM band where they're not using DRM or DRM+ ? > AM stations in Australia are supposed to be limited to 9kHz audio bandwidth= , according to ACMA (our FCC) regs, to avoid monkey chatter. The ABC (the n= ational broadcaster) certainly cuts AM audio at 9.5kHz with an almost brick= wall LPF. But 2CA, one of the very few stereo AM transmitters left in opera= tion here, seems to have useful audio to at least 12kHz if you look at it w= ith a spectrum analyser. There were a couple of DRM tests in the AM band a few years ago, but nothin= g seems to be happening now. Radio Australia (shortwave) has some regular D= RM transmissions now. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 08:44:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97608 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2012 15:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2012 15:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.67) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2012 15:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 15:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.163] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 15:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 15:44:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 343460.95372.bm@omp1019.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 84196 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2012 15:44:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 04v02ocVM1kUSC9IEtbHWL_t2Fi0sxNw7mGb0ihm6rI8qS1 uElP7Z81J__Bjo2GC2hiJZ.is2rkW7f4X_JCsnB7hsE.mqLyrGaGYBVzuzzE FPgblI_yNb8zq_U5DZULyQQ0NKr0DYqpWo81K6J1lHfn.G9fGyYN3SUa.v1j eQTt5S9tF1S1BI97PZgFoYoKYvGCYFBMfncU1eFJUO2xtzOTEac5wKz_KFiU APymH1ktHQ9vjNlt1yWet_tQCLT.RfqSvuprs9po3HiPD72cGHv3Dkm4OlO1 .Yd63canjycE0fUEGWJtn.Q6dqp5r1RLP6eZWxvTUaQFOEhY09_rwHmkTgs_ QWpl5kGP4dRd.apoxPMT6fetwAQeo37Wrm8eaoTqCW78VNqu1jsZw410aPwY ICSclbwoEtrGl0nb8_5nhdqGwM8u8G.OchU5Y.K_bQbPlFaU5DUY4CicH8bX mlrwEsIfUHRB5jQIX.S5RvseX X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web125501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:44:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 Message-ID: <1346168686.80902.YahooMailNeo@web125501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:44:46 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Reply-To: John Subject: Crystal Replacement Part Number for Alf-Lite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0PIgOEZxsSJs963c33cZUm6cB8hqsrSWPzZmNNUp67AeU0Ge07eh110 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If Chris Cuff is here, or someone who knows, what is the Digi Key part numb= er for the item that you can order to replace the Alfredo-Lite crystal with= an electronic crystal replacement - and you can order whatever frequency y= ou want, and they will send you this to replace your crystal.=A0 Question: = is it just a simple 2 wire replacement, or does it require power or other c= onnections? 73 John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Aug 28 10:23:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47148 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2012 17:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2012 17:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2012 17:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7SHN2JO019955 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:23:02 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgc002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3529CE0000A9 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <156a7.79d0020a.3d6e5876@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:23:02 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425157856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2908503cfe763a57 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Crystal Replacement Part Number for Alf-Lite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=xVfJsSj3yS7ZRpQj77DgHdQnSR5eKSe4xXBf_EwHEp2uHIfb0KcH X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 As far as I know Digi-Key discontinued those powered crystal oscillator replacements for a regular crystal a few years ago. You will have to buy a surplus crystal from eBay or build something like an N3ZI DDS VFO kit to substitute for the crystal. Or else pay big bucks to have a crystal custom-made to your freq. The way I solved the off-frequency problem in my Alf-Lite was to buy a bag of 50 surplus 4 mHz crystals from an eBay seller, then mix and match until I found. a crystal that was within 10 Hz of 4mHz which put me almost exactly on 1 mHz divde-by-four. Plus I modified the circuit to add a trim capacitor to the crystal oscillator circuit so I could trim the crystal to the exact frequency. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 8/28/2012 11:44:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: If Chris Cuff is here, or someone who knows, what is the Digi Key part number for the item that you can order to replace the Alfredo-Lite crystal with an electronic crystal replacement - and you can order whatever frequency you want, and they will send you this to replace your crystal. Question: is it just a simple 2 wire replacement, or does it require power or other connections? 73 John From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 10:27:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95579 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2012 17:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2012 17:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.210) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2012 17:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 17:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.22.76] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 17:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1070.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 17:27:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 584558.28554.bm@omp1070.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 58759 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2012 17:27:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lDkIXDcVM1kpqLm0yNA.t0l0TrqPRWSX2gzCUKe0UGpSIJZ um3ur14duSNWSim5OCkb1uef97RI1FJ7se.R34g6Yj59WY0VhqhMI1.RFtYM CS9G72iV7EWDNXZRKN_w0hb2ASY7K03w0oAGC09vI8gKZilfH1umglFuXWeh 6L_y8JS1uDjamVUfRt7TitAGiGmHKrcYXAtVZdKrrRx_U2l5l8IK5S.aLpRX gprkQR6KZZzVKjWqBW3me5x3fz5s0jTh8yVkdkQgscjBA0tbjPgX5mw3f8Xf xD.tHoo_N1Rybb91M_rQVHQDHHrMzbz_2uNcXFoWzbMtghz1fdSS2MpT8d1A DcRBdQwU1BPh23RK65mmnaVuND893F7czJhkUJLbOwcMVecdV1OTQe6pY8Dr lCBdQ4GwVpawmqz67GtFVeH.T8ZeiJr9d0UU9w0H0pAp7FXKQnf4PzvU0fqH Ov1Bfot1Y8o5ALY7oQTokKRNSfaPehYq_vbzyf3ifTJJ5Y4BXYUfGMqaRx.b JVN8g5A-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112019.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:27:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 Message-ID: <1346174866.58511.YahooMailClassic@web112019.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:27:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0AC21EF4-D9D4-4866-90E6-E91E4E2E9ED3@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kHj4pRrjfjoczLKwXIEhbOT2G_gNxSvb3YEd5mZ3GX4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW DRM only works with a strong signal and absolutely NO interference. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > DRM on shortwave is great.. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 10:29:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17182 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2012 17:29:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2012 17:29:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.70) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2012 17:29:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 17:29:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.5] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 17:29:04 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 17:29:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 419341.39452.bm@omp1005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 29682 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2012 17:29:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YMntwlEVM1lKi1fPTkOxHo0YDls3ivXzf.2FT7KI5o5djK5 3_CdYLoAM47rNSkc1DerHG6H9NpjRXn8T.0P4yFvsOf_H4yzZYPUuTT8MF1s myy5zvEjYzEDThcJZ78ai_EAZEnbCQR.xu1MD_85AiM7tQAy_S.d9bs34ZSY JMUO0IjCm4SJoa0diHMX0FXtr4hODByG6hNWyewrxFBsVYaNHpgGYI2AbafD GrkxwuSWhMF4pEXoD5mMI_P2fQBFS0kJpCaDC1Bq6K3V760Q_gp87bctf8ye dGbP1fTJN9Og1lC9xBlQ8L6FIZLtPgNAXZghDHSUFsBJJYzAaiT_uQ31lS9A pQIHfFaKrWm4VmIy8ofKU6gA5eLEM19jl36KRVJOyV975vKHQg_xU4RGbFH4 FzoGcq5Uk0YPozscMXUkvpxZkY.4VVmjRhsYb5rWtKsZgltRtZ7A2kgDARX2 9P3WJLFBgVXt64G2wfHYB2RBBut5npZ1nFj3xpB6sjAHEVCh67VkZHOf_ctr S3gBDOw-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:29:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 Message-ID: <1346174943.98589.YahooMailClassic@web112011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:29:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <156a7.79d0020a.3d6e5876@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Crystal Replacement Part Number for Alf-Lite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Wcc5syFgY6oV8XD_oBo_J4tZcdu6l_hLbANBZJ6t5Qc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I got mine not that long ago. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/28/12, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > As far as I know Digi-Key > discontinued those powered crystal oscillator > replacements for a regular crystal a few years ago. From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 11:09:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55934 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2012 18:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2012 18:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.220) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2012 18:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from BAY401-EAS192 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:09:21 -0700 X-EIP: [+Vx3aZhKoB8V1YSY7vmejF+2U5J4L3xq] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com References: <156a7.79d0020a.3d6e5876@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <156a7.79d0020a.3d6e5876@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:09:21 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2012 18:09:21.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FE145C0:01CD8548] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.220 From: Chris Cuff Subject: Re: {AMSF} Crystal Replacement Part Number for Alf-Lite? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=5DjSTEtrzrP8mOEFy1JbkyISyuF5XJMLSpxmzm6rfzmv_uwhnbf-OoXZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not discontinued! I just bought some. I am on the road and can't look up th= e part number this instant, but they are available.=0D Chris=0D =0D Sent from my iPod=0D =0D On Aug 28, 2012, at 1:23 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote:=0D =0D > As far as I know Digi-Key discontinued those powered crystal oscillator = =0D > replacements for a regular crystal a few years ago. You will have to buy= =0D > a surplus crystal from eBay or build something like an N3ZI DDS VFO kit= =0D > to substitute for the crystal. Or else pay big bucks to have a crystal=0D > custom-made to your freq.=0D > =0D > The way I solved the off-frequency problem in my Alf-Lite was to buy a ba= g =0D > of 50 =0D > surplus 4 mHz crystals from an eBay seller, then mix and match until I = =0D > found.=0D > a crystal that was within 10 Hz of 4mHz which put me almost exactly on=0D > 1 mHz divde-by-four. Plus I modified the circuit to add a trim capacitor = to =0D > the=0D > crystal oscillator circuit so I could trim the crystal to the exact =0D > frequency.=0D > =0D > 73 - Todd WD4NGG=0D > =0D > =0D > In a message dated 8/28/2012 11:44:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =0D > toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes:=0D > =0D > If Chris Cuff is here, or someone who knows, what is the Digi Key part = =0D > number for the item that you can order to replace the Alfredo-Lite crysta= l with =0D > an electronic crystal replacement - and you can order whatever frequency = =0D > you want, and they will send you this to replace your crystal. Question: = is =0D > it just a simple 2 wire replacement, or does it require power or other = =0D > connections?=0D > 73=0D > John=0D > =0D > =0D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 16:40:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63097 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2012 23:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2012 23:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.234) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2012 23:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 23:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 23:40:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:40:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1346174866.58511.YahooMailClassic@web112019.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 200.112.54.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.119 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pTjVuSnPQfx8qndC4cCwxnVKazbGFJuOnDvQfhn4NLOB5VgoRw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I wonder: Is it "progress"? ??? The digital promises were: 1) Better audio quality. The real thing is a too much digital compressed au= dio, not a better quality. Of course, the IBOC and DRM inventors talk about= their system can reach 12 or 15 KHZ audio bandwidth against the "legal" 5 = KHZ (Europe) or 10 KHZ (USA and rest of America). But the real question is.= .. How their system reaches that audio bandwidth? The answer is... TOO BAD!= !! A lot of digital artifacts (due to the stream compression). Final, this = promise wasn't kept. 2) More reliability. The real thing is these systems work so fine, without = any kind of problems, with a tuner located at less than 5 kilometers from t= he transmiting antenna (if the TX has 1 KW or less). Any analog AM station = can reach more than that, so... This promise wasn't kept. 3) No more noise. The real thing is that it is true IF (only IF) you can tu= ne in a very strong digital signal; but when your tuner isn't capable to de= code the stream... you will be into the analog world, again, with more than= 3 seconds delay time (as a minimum). Summarizing: I thing it is just a commercial toy from people that needs, de= sperately, to sell something. Nothing more. Please, men, LEAVE THE DIGITAL WORLD INTO THE STUDIO AND LEAVE THE ANALOG W= AVES INTO THE SKY... Please!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America,, with a lot of hope and love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > DRM only works with a strong signal and absolutely NO interference.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > >=20 > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > >=20 > > DRM on shortwave is great.. > From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Wed Aug 29 02:41:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46475 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2012 09:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2012 09:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.228) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2012 09:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.22.78] by nm25.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2012 09:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.13] by tm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2012 09:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2012 09:41:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 317728.59154.bm@omp1013.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 74544 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2012 09:41:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hILXuJ0VM1lcuaTT0lSpT8hbaDro5bMeLTFdpMD4.blezkD wcLG4jQWNp3jzEbuXzOG_c0mM_6ckUVrQmA2.w8MNwJPN3soMjSmEjnXe_0R my.Un0F6LKq0MTwjKQEXXnFd4cwe6jriBHPnFkLRZkHm5t8JfiCfx5fwQgX7 sn4TBXWFDi_Po.IMmOCC2wSbIC_vHfHwD2QrNy9VPHKn4EK_.cb.oiVbDmaz JovIeUsy22rXDpUoMNs3d8z8DZnulxCEY__jpl2E3x63T6CTqUWtIpval42a CTHJ08JTP.Ur49lG6lLC_69dgL3HpGoVPYtiZJ49PDEdDXIOwENNVh6gm_o0 aM7zJEeBzwvj60NL1Jr2N0JSoKDssOQ.EhPsMW6sOe5jLAqjjS14tZz0Mx0n kIiCz6YpGdRyMghMig4oHGQH3IiRA0GSBvuuKCuFAh1WmibFOKrkTQhU8sFe GangZhup6jBBivZcGfWyzuM8bCbs45uAyds58fJGr4stb3yXPwSs8ql_.AGG EBLPuSGoEqgkfYVBQynDqugwjOpykQEscez1d5Ci9baG1GH0ar2D6kV4yT1y rxsOkdGHiOooAvrU95nH89V4QNn9gEAJ.P1.TAnXLL_2iH8KxgfwfEcmPQaN V7HDc.oSujEBMtvJFUtZl6eBr5TVviD29pSB.YWNbZ2KpHvXg48ZWMwGXpIE brXy47W9m2gP6XJIY0SUwh8FPsxjrCdwP3Z0KDdhllrYrDPDVwwUxHOnmpp1 u6JZv_66sLVtOkZMteBQwu4sxvGCZW6R9zkmyEGw52VtfboqOHX6rmuskznv Lw2KAFu82LI.4BNPWdoPK0J.R_QDnUBiodY4L_xy6VZJRJUNdna9Jlg8SS2n fyy3MJp_70c4kFPRe_vaPl8aOEjLP86MIF6bZ6VddPJqGVfGvfH0xqxP9Eu5 gQOMGP7HirSq7_MqkipwgDDJkJ6KhZVvrubw- X-Received: from [189.27.0.10] by web114515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:41:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <1346174866.58511.YahooMailClassic@web112019.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1346233285.58406.YahooMailNeo@web114515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:41:25 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=SHRjDAse8DIC3r0kd-1cBG9vDmPrNyzxi6JsqIx3_CAcG2Bh X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan, I'm with you Please, men, LEAVE THE DIGITAL WORLD INTO THE STUDIO AND LEAVE THE ANALOG W= AVES INTO THE SKY... Please!!! Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: Jota Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Ter=E7a-feira, 28 de Agosto de 2012 20:40 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> =20 I wonder: Is it "progress"? ??? The digital promises were: 1) Better audio quality. The real thing is a too much digital compressed au= dio, not a better quality. Of course, the IBOC and DRM inventors talk about= their system can reach 12 or 15 KHZ audio bandwidth against the "legal" 5 = KHZ (Europe) or 10 KHZ (USA and rest of America). But the real question is.= .. How their system reaches that audio bandwidth? The answer is... TOO BAD!= !! A lot of digital artifacts (due to the stream compression). Final, this = promise wasn't kept. 2) More reliability. The real thing is these systems work so fine, without = any kind of problems, with a tuner located at less than 5 kilometers from t= he transmiting antenna (if the TX has 1 KW or less). Any analog AM station = can reach more than that, so... This promise wasn't kept. 3) No more noise. The real thing is that it is true IF (only IF) you can tu= ne in a very strong digital signal; but when your tuner isn't capable to de= code the stream... you will be into the analog world, again, with more than= 3 seconds delay time (as a minimum). Summarizing: I thing it is just a commercial toy from people that needs, de= sperately, to sell something. Nothing more. Please, men, LEAVE THE DIGITAL WORLD INTO THE STUDIO AND LEAVE THE ANALOG W= AVES INTO THE SKY... Please!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America,, with a lot of hope and love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > DRM only works with a strong signal and absolutely NO interference.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN=A0=20 > POP email is powell at backroads=A0 DOT=A0 =A0 net >=20 > >=20 > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > >=20 > > DRM on shortwave is great.. > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 03:51:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48175 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2012 10:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2012 10:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.148) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2012 10:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2012 10:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2012 10:51:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:51:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 134.115.68.21 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 134.115.68.21 From: "dandocker" Subject: AM and noise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=gMd2tJxvRbyTRl9LO1cv1z84E551ZYx8FSswl0aWE39eBnj9 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Has anyone stopped to think that a lot of the noise that is harmful to our = enjoyment of AM sound is also harmful to us? AM radio is great at alerting = us to dirty electricity/radiation that may be harmful to us. Should the solution be to reduce this noise pollution rather than changing = the system to mask the noise? From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 04:44:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57630 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2012 11:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2012 11:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iy0-f181.google.com) (209.85.210.181) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2012 11:44:32 -0000 X-Received: by iagw33 with SMTP id w33so922263iag.40 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:44:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.77.200 with SMTP id u8mr1236651igw.39.1346240672264; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:44:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:44:32 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: AM and noise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=hn9AqgfKxipwAuYsTQq130RnRVZCYIGNiDSOBTSL_4blxXdb X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I acknowledge that a lot of noise can be caused by co-channel interference, but electrical noise should be reduced where possible. Those recently posted samples of Magic 693 (by amstereofan) show the beauty of low noise wideband AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 23:23:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35230 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2012 06:23:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2012 06:23:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.118) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2012 06:23:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 06:23:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 06:23:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 06:23:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: 2CA has lost it's stereo ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=291801476; y=2A9dfdp1iCY2hxzAdRxcPR5vp6r9e3yoODOQmOIrYdnDlKQBdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I was reading a post from last year, is this still the case great shame if = so, I use to get 2CA booming in to Melbourne with great wideband stereo sou= nd on my Sony JX220a tuner when I was staying there in Dec 2004... From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 00:04:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72193 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2012 07:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2012 07:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ie0-f174.google.com) (209.85.223.174) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2012 07:04:00 -0000 X-Received: by ieje11 with SMTP id e11so636303iej.19 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 00:03:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.161.132 with SMTP id xs4mr4415722igb.39.1346310239731; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 00:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 00:03:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:03:59 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.223.174 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2CA has lost it's stereo ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=2c3txPc3sNs6oJFjlzE2YUIPMK2FeaDi3NEvHgicvf2jk_yK X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe it may be the last remaining AM stereo music station in Australia amstereofan. It's funny that for a station that takes pride in their AM signal, their website had a comparison between their new DAB+ transmission and a highly compromised AM reception. Here is a forum where someone does an independent comparison: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=3D89484&hl=3D+am%20+stereo%20+= dab+%20+comparison#entry1583290 On 30 August 2012 14:23, amstereofan wrote: > ** > > > I was reading a post from last year, is this still the case great shame i= f > so, I use to get 2CA booming in to Melbourne with great wideband stereo > sound on my Sony JX220a tuner when I was staying there in Dec 2004... > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 30 16:39:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81063 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2012 23:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2012 23:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-10.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.170) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2012 23:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120830183834100752000011> for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:38:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <503FF977.6090009@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:38:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:38:34 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2CA has lost it's stereo ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=H1FmBcq5NlqfOToD5sInohI4v8fDH_isNF5WVgx-tCUCFfIkicJv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/30/2012 2:04 AM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > I believe it may be the last remaining AM stereo music station in Australia > amstereofan. > > It's funny that for a station that takes pride in their AM signal, their > website had a comparison between their new DAB+ transmission and a highly > compromised AM reception. > > Here is a forum where someone does an independent comparison: > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=89484&hl=+am%20+stereo%20+dab+%20+comparison#entry1583290 > Link doesn't work or is password/membership restricted. Scott Todd From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 19:10:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27553 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 02:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 02:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iy0-f182.google.com) (209.85.210.182) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 02:10:29 -0000 X-Received: by ialo14 with SMTP id o14so5001148ial.41 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:10:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.94.197 with SMTP id de5mr433271igb.32.1346379029205; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:10:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:10:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <503FF977.6090009@usfamily.net> References: <503FF977.6090009@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:10:29 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2CA has lost it's stereo ?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=WLuTQmLvwUWJsqSINawWFU1s-eTjhkPXQ5LYH7gUjYiJ_im4 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Scott. I have downloaded them and put them into dropbox instead: 2CA AM Stereo vs DAB+: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35251891/AM%20St/2CA_AMStereo_vs_DABplus.mp3 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35251891/AM%20St/2CA_AMvsDAB_.mp3 Note that these are mp3s so the double compression of the DAB AAC will amplify the problem. The following are uncompressed FLAC files. ABC Radio national DAB+: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35251891/AM%20St/NASAphotos-64kbpsDABplus-ABCRadioN= ational.flac ABC Radio National AM mono: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35251891/AM%20St/NASAphotos-792KHz-AM-ABCRadioNatio= nal.flac I should also note that the DAB+ recordings are worse than what I'm used to. On that note, the AM isn't the best i've heard either, but it gives you an idea. Cheers, Dan On 31 August 2012 07:38, Scott Todd wrote: > ** > > > On 8/30/2012 2:04 AM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > I believe it may be the last remaining AM stereo music station in > Australia > > amstereofan. > > > > It's funny that for a station that takes pride in their AM signal, thei= r > > website had a comparison between their new DAB+ transmission and a high= ly > > compromised AM reception. > > > > Here is a forum where someone does an independent comparison: > > > http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=3D89484&hl=3D+am%20+stereo%2= 0+dab+%20+comparison#entry1583290 > > > > Link doesn't work or is password/membership restricted. > > Scott Todd > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dro7us@yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 19:28:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dro7us@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47310 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 02:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 02:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.83) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 02:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 02:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 02:28:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:28:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 110.139.12.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 110.139.12.54 From: "Hendro" Subject: C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325173067; y=L9f_uSlf9QXPbDKj19iqroSyKxm8IkGx0NzHSWqyhgZn X-Yahoo-Profile: dro7us Where can i get a cheap C-QUAM AM Stereo Transmitter kit ? Hendro From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 19:34:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58785 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 02:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 02:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.147) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 02:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP56 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:34:26 -0700 X-EIP: [AweELpvUS9Ewjbcm8/asktIqnv8+C89V] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP56.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:34:25 -0700 To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:34:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2012 02:34:25.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[22CD8FE0:01CD8721] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=w0Zwu2GQuhO6_qIlsQUmzxZ7VSE5rNNoJdLaC4-F7Iri X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd no one. the greek guy sells fully assembled 100mW dds cquam tx's on ebay for couple hundred. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hendro" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:28 PM Subject: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit > Where can i get a cheap C-QUAM AM Stereo Transmitter kit ? > > Hendro > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 20:20:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18978 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 03:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 03:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gh0-f178.google.com) (209.85.160.178) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 03:20:27 -0000 X-Received: by ghbf1 with SMTP id f1so496181ghb.9 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:20:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.117.168 with SMTP id j28mr6698791yhh.88.1346383226928; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w1sm3337106anm.8.2012.08.30.20.20.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:20:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=xVpe4_655nxRTbqkPnd4cwjI6WPbtlZmMy6k2R_sZyYNzdHWZMGlFcjQWZ-Rqg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Hendro wrote: > Where can i get a cheap C-QUAM AM Stereo Transmitter kit ? I am not sure if Chris Cuff still sells his Alfredo Light as a Kit. I do know that the parts to build the Original Alfredo AM Stereo Transmitter are no longer manufactured. This looks like it would be fun to build: http://electronbunker.ca/AM_StereoXMTR.html You should be able to get most all of the parts here: http://www.tubesandmore.com or here: http://rfparts.com 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 20:22:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75886 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 03:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 03:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dub0-omc4-s34.dub0.hotmail.com) (157.55.2.109) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 03:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from DUB403-EAS12 ([157.55.2.73]) by dub0-omc4-s34.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:22:51 -0700 X-EIP: [pSbVQnv9kAdTc7F6Kk3owyH21XsxjYZa] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:22:47 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2012 03:22:51.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[E72701E0:01CD8727] X-Originating-IP: 157.55.2.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=g96MJ0Sv2dO1cAo46BxRudOGwV_UPujoG3LlOWpjRzDw X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i spoke to chris via fb. iirc he has some parts left but he has some stuff = going on right now and will be some time before he can do some more -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Raper Sent: 31 Aug 2012 03:20:30 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Hendro wrote: > Where can i get a cheap C-QUAM AM Stereo Transmitter kit ? I am not sure if Chris Cuff still sells his Alfredo Light as a Kit. I do kn= ow that the parts to build the Original Alfredo AM Stereo Transmitter are n= o longer manufactured. This looks like it would be fun to build: http://electronbunker.ca/AM_StereoXMTR.html You should be able to get most all of the parts here: http://www.tubesandmore.com or here: http://rfparts.com 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 20:25:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73099 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 03:25:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 03:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dub0-omc4-s31.dub0.hotmail.com) (157.55.2.106) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 03:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from DUB403-EAS276 ([157.55.2.73]) by dub0-omc4-s31.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:24:58 -0700 X-EIP: [9IGlIPNP1qtK8OUMxIIy61r83qfdaRQ2] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:24:53 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2012 03:24:58.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[32E1C1B0:01CD8728] X-Originating-IP: 157.55.2.106 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=AhUAnhlU7WzcUYe-x0c2JDL8SXA0LPJxN_l5K2mD3Tcp X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i mentioned the greek guy because his are as hi quality as chrises tx but f= eatures dds frequency agility -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Raper Sent: 31 Aug 2012 03:20:30 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Hendro wrote: > Where can i get a cheap C-QUAM AM Stereo Transmitter kit ? I am not sure if Chris Cuff still sells his Alfredo Light as a Kit. I do kn= ow that the parts to build the Original Alfredo AM Stereo Transmitter are n= o longer manufactured. This looks like it would be fun to build: http://electronbunker.ca/AM_StereoXMTR.html You should be able to get most all of the parts here: http://www.tubesandmore.com or here: http://rfparts.com 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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I am not sure if Chris Cuff still sells his Alfredo Light as a Kit. I do kn= ow that the parts to build the Original Alfredo AM Stereo Transmitter are n= o longer manufactured. This looks like it would be fun to build: http://electronbunker.ca/AM_StereoXMTR.html You should be able to get most all of the parts here: http://www.tubesandmore.com or here: http://rfparts.com 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 23:59:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65627 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 06:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 06:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s10.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.212) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 06:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from BAY402-EAS51 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:58:16 -0700 X-EIP: [2piCTM+NIghjVPCV4ZKfmRy/LT1oHUVY] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:58:15 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2012 06:58:16.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEC551D0:01CD8745] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=X8dVEQ5PmMhus7Cohc5fN9e64SccJe_xC2LQshb6DYkBAU9YivygyXHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have the kits now, and they are 75USD for the DIY "bare bones" Kit ( no e= nclosure or accessories ), or 100uSD assembled and tested, or 125USD for co= mplete ready to go transmitter with enclosure and accessories. Contact me a= t amstereoguy@hotmail.com =0D Chris=0D =0D Sent from my iPod=0D =0D On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:20 PM, "Kevin Raper" wrote:=0D =0D > =0D > On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Hendro wrote:=0D > =0D > > Where can i get a cheap C-QUAM AM Stereo Transmitter kit ?=0D > =0D > I am not sure if Chris Cuff still sells his Alfredo Light as a Kit. I do = know that the parts to build the Original Alfredo AM Stereo Transmitter are= no longer manufactured.=0D > =0D > This looks like it would be fun to build: =0D > =0D > http://electronbunker.ca/AM_StereoXMTR.html=0D > =0D > You should be able to get most all of the parts here: =0D > =0D > http://www.tubesandmore.com=0D > =0D > or here:=0D > =0D > http://rfparts.com=0D > =0D > 73,=0D > Kevin Raper=0D > KJ4HYD=0D > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ=0D > =0D > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn=0D > =0D > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=0D > =0D > =0D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Aug 31 00:19:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73865 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 07:19:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 07:19:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.65) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 07:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 07:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.113] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 07:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 07:19:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 749318.80055.bm@omp1022.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 31136 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2012 07:19:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7tmEzrMVM1l0R2G.keuMXePu.LTkVxTDFZblczF9ramRjiD WgsIkXJmRM.sGEE1AWF.4DEfo9bsDFusIeBdLkXLFD3ajFplvvgQ9N4.No7d kagI_QjA9yMPIo64TRKo7PCnCpprtbxyhE_lRyuQXHw2TrkVe4vJIZtdMByZ ..B7_8L_E.AUKj3MWiwZRV3HiRFY0hw7k6GuJxxUCTwAOOtKOryIAaXGvm3H .oT3sbigU10NVSfU5vavL9UwYUtgYHjUdF7SKeKP0udAiX6SDigPsyMynP9s lUPu705N5gV5dRxYLeSJXkb20GIboAy8uMR0KRdP_NV2H_ioDlhpXm0SmsPq yJv9Ofdd4iFLEY2YzjAHMXJ1ZGXv96wFLyj0WelZwm0WTnm.5D8lxwiBWHb8 TaOypuOKxR91_tdiqTOq5ky3uCRxJNBjOlJWC0IpFpTh3GPgOmVfbDKU6c0o cVDTPRgnNx4UWxOBglpjpkQnZxJAK0jqaxBafkax3tGY9MF5pk9zwOYg6qU0 59rr4cWVeDJKlkJkVjEA_pjuwqqRLQEvJNtt0rphQ8XSZev9PzD9KD7zxjJK gSgIg6xVHhxlD5dyRs_GHR9nWfLxceNDoAc.DvvhG3.0c2lYsnggB4P_NytU 6xeCTHgzUkIBVnTskHCaLF4ty_ITTScfwDNpCqu1jGN410fiwDyH4Ogaabrf KcNIhlz7gNuTczEUoUuR_8DIxshVg5hIPo_a.t6RMhCt09dS863rErLDNkJB lDxJC9zBQUCM4P6DkVMDM5KI_Xi5U1qpaHzszT5SEcVczZOhCAGMvY0uljUg sE827tSu58DqSGRb4G9ZPWpLeVS92LhCKIEKDSpJJUG127dQid8lCeNwu4V5 IWufKIBksSu6GSCpsN.4U19l4AoRxV6VG0ZsKQHZERfSIUcIteT3cfoy.0po VC0qKZo7rWEIAecEHOmgfmandCbRDogJq6LgJV2s0vjcLPedTn5dTIPREp9z sTsrXx4Turg._0Nn1J90V4adFnztgUYkfbKCVfR67guUvDHVIkyGhKmzyrZZ wr.WK.XQl_AB1eGT3QS1lOZ9BokBzTO_9m.QAk2Teuy0CkyhIV2xADXnghTN FLmJEz_GAKEfk6wbtrzws1zyUkkmCbR8tNJ94XXzhYQR9ZiFeRmEiTJAv2BQ zYqA_TZkhsJAAVXh77VvCiZuEt42zUhGDoL5_PCOoRckbT7nD5Es48OeyC9g HPnwsK6kketaYXzseACOGW302Wwl6iGbR9_S2N1oJswcgVlwwxsfUO27tHtq TwyJa8WRWs77NPB0HHAGeaARHkOO9kHs1UynqQygr4evNDGLojWP_.DAxxeP 1SeInvH2KzJs7KCV3s53nrPtVo8M2aSP9JQbY0STp807UU8zwIrToC4sZbV7 r67ZhbtLvau_kx86vK1qIPzB8hBkjezbj1u_7bwywI30tH0DmNOeLF._Fxl3 N0erBSmTkzaq9zoa1Xtovf0r7Us7QwQlmsQXmYk4JZlHRJb6vgB17tFHGVq6 SOos2iH0wUAG3G1bCvWcL8KliZj802TOkFQcxCPpGS.eEsDjWK5OxmDn6Sxb qdPxZFvDEq0WDyC2_abQH1tOQHQQiTfm3jCQvIvouf5YuZ3qGiijABboFTFX F8FWoJL7GFuh9ZvmYNyY8.Moo.nxKuxy6UMcDcQnC68eTddsYGqsvzJDsVy_ zNda6hHCJTrSdQIGjlXdcN3RODKpB33ZwlIAiJUjBtvSDEPWTGSC.rjmGL9n oTKF1xrfZhMKKceDLLohd1hMIdddXdaJ2SEOsbb9Ld0a8C9.yyROUBDuWdVi 5XjbJwbkYBHjDmB40dI7YtOP3oWLMGZTEBXh5aGgMGGNQrMNfH7lOe0dAqQ4 egwFkreL7dFBuYxMzPfQfK8oCLv787s9jxCDN0MWgkP9QL.bg46vgbpfLYRL iKyDVSZfLW2XxMZ9wlC9x64J78p6h14CwFnHozgKSld_axH5.6L7kCnTI5d_ UObdmRstquqm6eC_293Cjf6C8y4iLOvJOhXpvTujHwMmeho06R3wgmuiML_n 9lwVv2Wis7sF1xmRgPXSaa3ApNCpDn6AVBw25MBnxekB3qXiq8A-- X-Received: from [46.195.23.248] by web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:19:41 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:19:41 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=SjNIIE0dOoeaBxQmRYpoUyLZIA1ZazaPt6dicv4xDaNZ1ng X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Part 15 TX??? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: Chris Cuff Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 Skickat: fredag, 31 augusti 2012 8:58 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit =C2=A0=20 I have the kits now, and they are 75USD for the DIY "bare bones" Kit ( no e= nclosure or accessories ), or 100uSD assembled and tested, or 125USD for co= mplete ready to go transmitter with enclosure and accessories. Contact me a= t mailto:amstereoguy%40hotmail.com=20 Chris Sent from my iPod On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:20 PM, "Kevin Raper" wro= te: >=20 > On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Hendro wrote: >=20 > > Where can i get a cheap C-QUAM AM Stereo Transmitter kit ? >=20 > I am not sure if Chris Cuff still sells his Alfredo Light as a Kit. I do = know that the parts to build the Original Alfredo AM Stereo Transmitter are= no longer manufactured. >=20 > This looks like it would be fun to build:=20 >=20 > http://electronbunker.ca/AM_StereoXMTR.html >=20 > You should be able to get most all of the parts here:=20 >=20 > http://www.tubesandmore.com/ >=20 > or here: >=20 > http://rfparts.com/ >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Aug 31 00:21:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18860 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 07:21:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 07:21:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.213) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 07:21:31 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.231] by nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 07:21:29 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.250] by tm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 07:21:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 07:21:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 952748.98189.bm@omp1015.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83164 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2012 07:21:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1a4ouLwVM1kNtbk47lM_pxS72g4bvd8CZRT_28KSJirBikZ oCFKcl9uARJyGxAgCwhIJw0L4kTCzYnkOZQrs7EwKEngUnSOTPrgRQaXQWcF Q6KEcqypVxhl41_ikzlonTyyu5AXB8ZgRkYufmMKZNwZM1aNxqgwGh5wl7Yn NhTHaG8FLver5ZT05x.Lpcyw81xU19Fx80O87tUzeJbhqUffv_ryrmAL4cS8 pFL3sqiCTgvsk6lNtEgxEFZGbrFDhXF3k5g.5FAc6YMvWOedpY8RqG__WMsx 4Exnl8.lXrDr3kS8yQYQYS.hSbc2NF6uMjD22aYTJxaQujiTIYViL_D8SzIy F75uwxmykrI1D6nu8ZJG4WO_m_T4sWGzlOvQ0t1VykDRhJuOsKsmchxxYGcU w7XhwHPrwqEB1096ovIZZxYhz80fMOsfdfHyyhMHwUZZ3PUtYW54PD9jFZjZ 3EF.vg7Bpcv62C7Nf6pfwM.NAFEq_2QvGUKV0X4erSwWd.tKk826aknQWJ70 9lGRTJt5rrDSsjXip4QJuJT_XhHUdBKYze3AbmUKLFvAsPvYEhmSYD3bmkqZ hsQB9g1K0qPKf.yw9g4qafOOHWR6OZxDp00OGc.TK_RU5RCzd9_hTK.LPGeW c.3sXFhvOMNx1nOiEeLYZ8Dfad1De05n8J0E58BtlYUKI9eqYv.6TPSaqs9C 60nPrulLHhEFJgsM1IN7ObVNDNVlwe9Zrv08K6eEV20JWZjE7ymMDBl2djmy 9ZwNmiA2qCXMdFcJ4ARLM59ZLmbJtHnVEeRZaMrxb0wyG2QCyT4rjwOO9dGh qkU9O5sxoSv60D_5SMkx3mKlECGiQ.kZFXzv.uZzcYaUVuk1YAs.3UQNfAs_ fISONlC910F3PmdWEijS3JY5huOg.6cQiJHyugltfTJ3a6cHfcseGOpZTXcf lSjxZWI015zIxtmH0JLT3G4zxSLPfbmhdYf9xq4Gmhuf1_Cbi9P6ohc05KK7 ps72t9dO2Xuz5hMulKSkrlVq49UuPFSVTwGgY2ql_lcNrIAbuDKW1i5lFBWa JlK6Xodlo99UJ0Es.GB7hGwVAx9xQvw9FoHfV5us7wYeMyfhSVczLtjcMeQb Luz5dgkKV5mHS3ztKZV9UbbX_PxCL2HEilqC1rbzotvIAOlMPNiXrdodopFT 1dS4tQhuu2UWKrfdZQJimwZ5kmdvLltjFvUqg6VbkGLg9dnBXfneV._0tYqr qRQJ7P12cbfRLgqBAVlMSBpFcMQ3Abxpw4yqRjpFvkMYEz9UKOjU_v0P4yuX uu9INBZucdiu6fmfmz5UoNx_bQe.dzwkJhdAUb4Irbb2WwpsGR3dE0qSwAOW ffrsReuM5WFpzxJnhBfRURYSkl4eZq.4Vrk78.dFYwsYaR6aQ89xQvgK85oe NBBHDS4e1WEVNUYMO7Scvo4g6hGbO_mW0OsovxDY4rlBRE2ph8rx0IVhxo57 gTN85.FGTpNiUf2joPQUAf0_..pX0BmI_rfRFlUl_SEdAAoF7MmeqFuqkZLF ZDd.cbGmqtT.YBCYNQ6QCVGeFIBZSS1o3SzmBzcp_WFpJDnrhsZ9bzwBtupm sLnxh6lmUZlMBLKWwbi.oYzcyGIJXA2YKwwM01xN6GoKtYYmY.bcYtr.FDmU Yw_p3n8Byns489MOmiQEETk8W6eQEFj.RhYttBrsFPxk7tQT6nfHwulOgksL aNkSPzbpUCKk.E7u2wVSUfNbNH5W4sq1j3Xzh4Sbjtk7FpHmH09t4tHMQlav jZQJrhC_dHBIM9A8AtRRJJowDee.60W0amdIFTx6Jz41KMtl.kWdyT0EQdHJ .NwisXU0guAhHqpFLOIhqrILFthjG4DyUF2L70_oo_jOusj70PSM3dWJmZvg TRnXMIOi2rFhgsQtnjRglcKjBpS0AfvCNw_cH.AnYL1XtHZULL4Qi3i6nYPV QCPLYMcFlPg0enzaESvUg7MM14H86173x2ZGnb5KCtpGU.6aW1XGasG1jC8_ j.4OrEOCaxsVukcvsMTTiRENRqwDTsTOAY0exAHKc84kSQylpjw2t7aK8q_f hsrrmv3NwLmWRKU6EvnZ0EJOm60OmBmW2XWtuh4CaOyhO_sZmilXSdBmU0rF hwdPz_osUkO2npd.pOt2WGnTBDSixdnVCwMHwptQsqk.Cqy3BgvfiwxDqxxG JMOEiJiftfQ-- X-Received: from [46.195.23.248] by web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:21:29 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: Message-ID: <1346397689.83040.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:21:29 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=Rmk5LO0tw6Sprqwrlk5q467UID3iymjVaxX_8U_ZZL3flDA X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any great antenna for the greek=C2=A0 100mW ams 15kHz TX?? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 31 augusti 2012 4:34 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit =C2=A0=20 no one. the greek guy sells fully assembled 100mW dds cquam tx's on ebay fo= r=20 couple hundred. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Hendro" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:28 PM Subject: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit > Where can i get a cheap C-QUAM AM Stereo Transmitter kit ? > > Hendro > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 05:50:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38610 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 12:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 12:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qc0-f175.google.com) (209.85.216.175) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 12:50:45 -0000 X-Received: by qcad10 with SMTP id d10so2149497qca.34 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:50:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.179.205 with SMTP id br13mr17527002qab.95.1346417438343; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id et6sm5173290qab.8.2012.08.31.05.50.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:50:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=uxl5IXzTkXcVbfxjN2ncLruUm0r3KgeQ_eUlU0yy96I28CbtkN9ONveOW_WAmA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 31, 2012, at 3:19 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Part 15 TX??? A Part 15 Transmitter is shorthand for a Radio Transmitter that complies with the USA's Code Of Federal Regulations Title 47 Part15. THis is the regulation that allows Very Lower Power Unlicensed Radio Transmitters in the US. Unlicensed use of any other Transmitter is subject to up to a $10,000 Dollar Fine and/of Federal Prison. That being said, Pirate Radio, or Unlicensed Stations of much higher Power than Legal Power, mostly on FM, but there are a few AMs, are on the air everywhere. For every Pirate Station they shut down, a Dozen go on the air. This is because of the 12 to 25 Watt FM Transmitters that are so cheap to buy on Ebay and other places. 99% of them are from China. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 31 augusti 2012 14:50 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit =C2=A0=20 On Aug 31, 2012, at 3:19 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Part 15 TX??? A Part 15 Transmitter is shorthand for a Radio Transmitter that complies wi= th the USA's Code Of Federal Regulations Title 47 Part15. THis is the regul= ation that allows Very Lower Power Unlicensed Radio Transmitters in the US. Unlicensed use of any other Transmitter is subject to up to a $10,000 Dolla= r Fine and/of Federal Prison. That being said, Pirate Radio, or Unlicensed Stations of much higher Power = than Legal Power, mostly on FM, but there are a few AMs, are on the air eve= rywhere. For every Pirate Station they shut down, a Dozen go on the air. Th= is is because of the 12 to 25 Watt FM Transmitters that are so cheap to buy= on Ebay and other places. 99% of them are from China. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 07:30:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16184 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 14:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 14:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f182.google.com) (209.85.213.182) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 14:30:55 -0000 X-Received: by yenl7 with SMTP id l7so576648yen.27 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:30:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.193.105 with SMTP id j69mr8460742yhn.21.1346423454846; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x4sm8785678yhh.2.2012.08.31.07.30.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:30:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1346418940.19946.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346418940.19946.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2C49EAAA-711B-43B3-A688-41E0DF897585@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=rLQSpw7LwS2t4MAD53KeHAC2f6zo5bjnbtd1NKFvsnZMm7XkXClA4uHHZl-3Kg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi, I mean the tx assembled ready to air priced 125 USD, is it a part 15 or can be increased power like 1 watt?? with a 102 inch antenna. These are the 100 mw Transmitters. Outside of the USA, you can use a much bigger antenna then the USA legal 3 Meters. You can find plans for an Amplifier online to boost the power of these transmitters. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 07:32:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34660 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 14:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 14:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s8.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.210) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 14:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from BAY401-EAS296 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:32:23 -0700 X-EIP: [R7cTOCWie7ZJmdTikPH7pKpf44WygulT] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346418940.19946.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1346418940.19946.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:32:21 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2012 14:32:23.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FBA8FB0:01CD8785] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=JeqBSNaPGMWYmnoP6YmGV-HEdht8XqvBSuObgUhxvwj2sKyHpR_LJGLF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can get up to 1 watt as it is sent. Instructions for power higher than = 100mw are given with the transmitter.=0D =0D Sent from my iPod=0D =0D On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:15 AM, "Roy Sandgren" wrote:=0D =0D > Hi, I mean the tx assembled ready to air priced 125 USD, is it a part 15 = or can be increased power like 1 watt?? with a 102 inch antenna.=0D > =0D > Bests from=0D > Roy Sandgren=0D > HASDA-EUROPE=0D > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio=0D > =0D > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper =0D > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com =0D > Skickat: fredag, 31 augusti 2012 14:50=0D > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit=0D > =0D > =0D > =0D > On Aug 31, 2012, at 3:19 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote:=0D > =0D > > Part 15 TX???=0D > =0D > A Part 15 Transmitter is shorthand for a Radio Transmitter that complies = with the USA's Code Of Federal Regulations Title 47 Part15. THis is the reg= ulation that allows Very Lower Power Unlicensed Radio Transmitters in the U= S.=0D > =0D > Unlicensed use of any other Transmitter is subject to up to a $10,000 Dol= lar Fine and/of Federal Prison.=0D > =0D > That being said, Pirate Radio, or Unlicensed Stations of much higher Powe= r than Legal Power, mostly on FM, but there are a few AMs, are on the air e= verywhere. For every Pirate Station they shut down, a Dozen go on the air. = This is because of the 12 to 25 Watt FM Transmitters that are so cheap to b= uy on Ebay and other places. 99% of them are from China.=0D > =0D > 73,=0D > Kevin Raper=0D > KJ4HYD=0D > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ=0D > =0D > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn=0D > =0D > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=0D > =0D > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=0D > =0D > =0D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 07:47:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2786 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 14:47:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 14:47:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dub0-omc4-s23.dub0.hotmail.com) (157.55.2.98) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 14:47:22 -0000 X-Received: from DUB403-EAS56 ([157.55.2.73]) by dub0-omc4-s23.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:47:21 -0700 X-EIP: [okIsTRffEE6hcIjR5GZCTAoNyhCMpHxQ] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:47:17 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2012 14:47:21.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[86E65870:01CD8787] X-Originating-IP: 157.55.2.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=WQFcAcnPSfdf3JNyl7r2qnWVI2lWL00vVWDGiWoQTx0p X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd chris contact me direct. i am curious if possibly we can work out some type= of trade? someone donated an rs tr20 to me if those are capable of 400mw they will dr= ive the linear pa board nicely and the original al schem had balanced ins -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cuff Sent: 31 Aug 2012 14:32:25 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit You can get up to 1 watt as it is sent. Instructions for power higher than = 100mw are given with the transmitter. Sent from my iPod On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:15 AM, "Roy Sandgren" wrote: > Hi, I mean the tx assembled ready to air priced 125 USD, is it a part 15 = or can be increased power like 1 watt?? with a 102 inch antenna. > > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > HASDA-EUROPE > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio > > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Skickat: fredag, 31 augusti 2012 14:50 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit > > > > On Aug 31, 2012, at 3:19 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > Part 15 TX??? > > A Part 15 Transmitter is shorthand for a Radio Transmitter that complies = with the USA's Code Of Federal Regulations Title 47 Part15. THis is the reg= ulation that allows Very Lower Power Unlicensed Radio Transmitters in the U= S. > > Unlicensed use of any other Transmitter is subject to up to a $10,000 Dol= lar Fine and/of Federal Prison. > > That being said, Pirate Radio, or Unlicensed Stations of much higher Powe= r than Legal Power, mostly on FM, but there are a few AMs, are on the air e= verywhere. For every Pirate Station they shut down, a Dozen go on the air. = This is because of the 12 to 25 Watt FM Transmitters that are so cheap to b= uy on Ebay and other places. 99% of them are from China. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 08:19:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17064 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 15:19:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 15:19:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gh0-f171.google.com) (209.85.160.171) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 15:19:09 -0000 X-Received: by ghy16 with SMTP id 16so667318ghy.30 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:19:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.170.135 with SMTP id p7mr8718334yhl.109.1346426348713; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e5sm8923593yhk.21.2012.08.31.08.19.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:19:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=4pgnwdio2PWXyLJiXwU4TGqWrgYbklDzkE_lphmhABdU7IySS8DbcmnjV78lDg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable By the way Roy, I was going to ask how the Transmitter Project was coming a= long for you. Did they remove the 500 KW rig? I still think it would not be a problem to convert it to Stereo Operation= =85 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Aug 31 10:12:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97450 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 17:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 17:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.222) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 17:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 17:12:32 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.242] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 17:12:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 17:12:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 603407.17852.bm@omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 49411 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2012 17:12:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f3M1FQoVM1k_PCalgaBOsUnzuJ1lnPcf9opnJcIQbaaBMRe wesG3CdhacdvFjVX9Wi35UhBgeQKK_A_Ts3mSVXqW_hMX4pDikP3qsfTVULj yoI7KeblHf56tj3Rk4xAU62j6Bqm2aFmGDOIqgjFPbbLR8zQU5SeINNKWzqg HpG2Fr5BL9FfYv7Zo5JAKED4j2iNJdvOLZj2OSj_0FxUkOTNehDFt_646lSf O_Um0240pwalxGgmRbMZBHWouJctzzQr9NW6ve53EXIF0zd8rkKNJuBW1Ok1 jFfb82dvLdFMUXzBkHVXdoy2Kxi8trdvZk9T5WHt6YiZCFYokiHt3fYr.BV0 LBGNxR_auC43QYtk8gzTAdRW5wUxEORDPP3cr7YN3bqcyqmqa6GzTPMV_7aJ iHj0ptS6gj69ZbglU5fzm2VpSs1enDeZzPJ70mxtoMzbPydg2Uo9ExRwjcUs br_8lcPq3aig8uRPyTwRp.LbM529A14tA0.ezo85n8sX62U_oVvVRJtWasFc 9GRha8j7E5bRwlsRZLQ9cQgJnr1QKRojqyPGNN2yvGJg4WF4rWmH5txLXSYk 0t6LcNWv6ARHrD8fAT_5gw8wNlbviqEzvd6B9aNiL5zS0GwAE.1wyRPO9EJH grnyBc6oKy1kPBD.Tnexi_MTTFqJDK0IJx9VlnpHtvkNVzopDkN2Z5iTN5ee Z73lL0WvKLi9YKY_AU35s7Nq1odfFVsbWHCr25VmIeKqKoUW6rhHHbkwv7qD G60aUUwpY_wqRtYGEkyKPGSGdLGCrtyPbEbCDRx6YQYzKohOo6QMaBKwUcIY _fAqeUfErhSvbJOotz9cdbLM7fn.kRLGifk12XeY2P0DBpe2Fdi3vA_7jtzA klUAR6i7h9xMUy5LjMopSj48- X-Received: from [46.195.28.67] by web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:12:32 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1346433152.33126.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:12:32 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=U8hwkPj6F7RQBMqgBRPLSkH1Ghr6WQgpzdTRFe3Yw7JiEf4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =C2=A0 I suppose it's still intact of 600kW, but TX from -84. laid a bid and an of= fer. Gave time to=C2=A0 oct 1 and if positive start negotiations...can be i= n use of 50kW with a new TX... Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 31 augusti 2012 17:19 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit By the way Roy, I was going to ask how the Transmitter Project was coming a= long for you. Did they remove the 500 KW rig? I still think it would not be a problem to convert it to Stereo Operation= =E2=80=A6 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Can be in the 1600-1700kHz (1800)kHz. Out of band, no licence from=C2=A0= =C2=A0 radioauthority=C2=A0 www.mrtv.se , from PTS only=C2=A0 www.pts.se=C2= =A0 AMS 15 kHz no problemas.. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: Chris Cuff Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 Skickat: fredag, 31 augusti 2012 16:32 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit =C2=A0=20 You can get up to 1 watt as it is sent. Instructions for power higher than = 100mw are given with the transmitter.=20 Sent from my iPod=20 On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:15 AM, "Roy Sandgren" wr= ote:=20 > Hi, I mean the tx assembled ready to air priced 125 USD, is it a part 15 = or can be increased power like 1 watt?? with a 102 inch antenna.=20 >=20 > Bests from=20 > Roy Sandgren=20 > HASDA-EUROPE=20 > AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio=20 >=20 > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper =20 > Till: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: fredag, 31 augusti 2012 14:50=20 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Aug 31, 2012, at 3:19 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote:=20 >=20 > > Part 15 TX???=20 >=20 > A Part 15 Transmitter is shorthand for a Radio Transmitter that complies = with the USA's Code Of Federal Regulations Title 47 Part15. THis is the reg= ulation that allows Very Lower Power Unlicensed Radio Transmitters in the U= S.=20 >=20 > Unlicensed use of any other Transmitter is subject to up to a $10,000 Dol= lar Fine and/of Federal Prison.=20 >=20 > That being said, Pirate Radio, or Unlicensed Stations of much higher Powe= r than Legal Power, mostly on FM, but there are a few AMs, are on the air e= verywhere. For every Pirate Station they shut down, a Dozen go on the air. = This is because of the 12 to 25 Watt FM Transmitters that are so cheap to b= uy on Ebay and other places. 99% of them are from China.=20 >=20 > 73,=20 > Kevin Raper=20 > KJ4HYD=20 > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ=20 >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 >=20 >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 11:16:48 2012 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=35514;u=;t=1346437046;m=1112449067;s=1308370872; From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Aug 31 11:29:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75225 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 18:29:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 18:29:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.90) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 18:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 18:29:56 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.239] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 18:29:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 18:29:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 58223.8051.bm@omp1004.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10165 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2012 18:29:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: evGZiWYVM1lr9usttmjp68A9mwohv4st87aa1yunJ2qFoiO EtZhiRg.MSSswSTIISa1L7RPSMQrnJ.3TQCAcWP5x9C4mexPcNynG2UPNr49 K_bTXPIqhelTxN0SO_txpHQ183DkRYRkbpFhqFRnCR.4nbFyjo7AUoFw0zGD CxriqChWEKx.k4BNsGT9MIrnatS_D59bS2GZksTYxVofri8BcNNPQJu0bl6e AZwt.AtfpgkGZnVAa3U6QneR0xmsbzq3BVCuk1Bi51MEeYXmrroabXUNNdK7 GI2JdsaZuiRMeqZoZgChX2u2UGb1yr2CLnkJPOcejSltI3LJE2.olNXlA5w5 Dv6CusyXYD1zG87uOx0jgu1TKVQMS101uEYGYVRSThuwGh6TZ.J8tRx7dQDH 9m4PsVClrWC_j_i2KCPO_qUYFSBhd9GrX4Ajh828J1uEYFxPPuNlGE9ej5GM TIar5FTm1wsEvtUn.FtZ6sYgKjV2AZ4kID7_eL8GThLWo0018.qYw9gHBU4E 8_MyasVRKwRqwXcarO0Ds72wQWIypm0IDivGp.LRT7lUpD8fdUZkeL49.kqd .2tdQu1MpQUtJf50YVKrPjS3fLMRWGqWoxMRXdggRThSN1VcTmowU7Te_j.Y 5QOfeGFZTUQlg0Jh_aXG_1W6HIAaUsIeOQzkFSV5vcTH2Cfk6KuJYrYNdc2Q vEGPV8nF3IFmgDvy7E_93sWL00UH9yfWnvli4ENzW.6LnigteH4ye2IHtCgi TRigGMOEhAoWNo_494exEXCSeiSM4RQfAyORWCaWbXBw060ijakEEFYXCvie s5UAPD0YME0kY2o6S2WSQ6rjm4ltnludQr1wEh9sHTuo5yoGB1EpBqTZGotl Bjieb7If6kPBNYjrj8LoELPGIe7.4AH7NgLIi9FK2ryFs32n2HsQZ42izdXb GU8vhI_3WKk.yaPlpsBDNaw9GNA08McRL4Gdl1zOH0UZe5dOLUofU4lZxenE lQ5zT4HPpDPTY0_rOjcNv0oaZhFcX.so.S3JAolac9GZ7iVGAqcBooDw.gv. .FluNvun419ymXRI9Uf58CXiifIwp3Y5Fk_KqTtMiqmN82nzHtTt2n06fgmp JVwvb_I91MqSg0OLuTR7gGo6bYZdwAL4p5vYMUBU82KzIjidy77DhNg5oMMe ABEdKZ3oV5wdvzkExEYPvqafx5.tjYOF3jGvh3cEu9ALN48QLW6wmn6IutZ5 A9toNW5x2HBoMWx13vL.QKv9LtAlQa7QfePPLvrhLaurBnqI4aNmSzOnsynT DD_6haVx_7VPj9AUwDFbkdAMzMP1EPymYrTmGaBtckLQXSWwWjkzuIy0L2Jc ui4lMkFPyncClqtsd.l1iQIk1TZKAbJKlqazdg1FzAm8msNu5HPt0SfRd7_m GyUuRORuKqEo7Ruhj7i669LAF0jGnWXhkoJ3g_aubjE483OP40dr8r7vV2ny _7MZS6F9z28KWgebwsVrq7hyicKKRBmJdDM7mHSB5h6gdkxBItuM1ZlKoO4n Y47mxxdOCmdfLMXE09vTTFP8Fgjk52Alknunm2g7Mt5Ej89WMoWdudt8syhY hxlNVIsXJqCTKrXiouonFtMVCk695jd5aZbBRSI12ThVcm5K6Y409f9SqC5S ExUBbLY3uBFEg04Ncj50hu.yFSasGHDNg1gHdqX2WbX2miNzgRUiM28SxfcD KQrDFpd.HElhsK31bN2i.sfofh5cEvlx2GDZeU2xt80B.42.OiV8Aytc- X-Received: from [46.195.28.67] by web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:29:55 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: Message-ID: <1346437795.9689.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:29:55 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=p9n0kZzZuOghY8G51fix1-ovNUU8pFhbdkThxK_fcu0xTgI X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let EU have AMS and 15 kHz bandwidth. Plenty of space and place course lot = of high powers switched off. Sounds better than dab+ in facto... Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: amstereofan Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 31 augusti 2012 20:16 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} test =C2=A0=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 16:01:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61450 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 23:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 23:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 23:01:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 23:01:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 23:01:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 23:01:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: am stereo files list - where has it gone to ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=291801476; y=2RfJ1jiCVDB0dHOfYyn3MSnaG7yUwkrd9X83U5pok0yKWzZJnA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan As subject, my posts about this before are not getting through for some rea= son=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 17:14:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48472 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2012 00:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2012 00:14:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f41.google.com) (209.85.213.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2012 00:14:33 -0000 X-Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so768410yhr.0 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:14:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.179.98 with SMTP id g62mr9881382yhm.44.1346458473090; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a4sm5781930anm.14.2012.08.31.17.14.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:14:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1346433152.33126.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346433152.33126.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=rm5qaIUkXJRhq0Vj9iLDQ8keG520gCrUtKPtv1pEIocQMSwmsSvyGJHMNTb-BA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > I suppose it's still intact of 600kW, but TX from -84. laid a bid and an = offer. Gave time to oct 1 and if positive start negotiations=85 It would be such a crying shame to scrap such a nice old girl. I like Telef= unken transmitters. I bet it can make some RF! LOL > can be in use of 50kW with a new TX=85 If I were buying a new 50 KW Transmitter today, I would have to give the co= ntract to Nautel. Their transmitters are first rate and you cannot beat the= ir support. I put a new Nautel XR-6 on the air at 730 WLTQ and we love it. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 17:16:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13874 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2012 00:16:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2012 00:16:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f175.google.com) (209.85.213.175) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2012 00:16:17 -0000 X-Received: by yenm14 with SMTP id m14so682955yen.20 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.108.194 with SMTP id q42mr10209148yhg.3.1346458577023; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x8sm11206992yhd.18.2012.08.31.17.16.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:16:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1346433417.59689.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346418940.19946.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346433417.59689.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <573226FB-6A0A-48CC-9044-3B880AD011A2@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=9gqo-ERt3ruKf9memiegOIhG5jNj2I0kA29ypPhuX65TKuMePsq-6LSKWRCOkg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Up to 3 watt in sweden lower fee from swedish FCC, less than 100 USD anually. Can be in the 1600-1700kHz (1800)kHz. Out of band, no licence from radioauthority www.mrtv.se , from PTS only www.pts.se AMS 15 kHz no problemas.. Want to swap FCCs? LOL Sweden regs make much more sense. 3 Watts still is not going to interfere with anybody, and can actually get useable coverage. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Aug 31 23:24:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23705 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2012 06:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2012 06:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.192) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2012 06:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 06:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.245] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 06:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 06:24:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 974681.27015.bm@omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 56855 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2012 06:24:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nwqf3rgVM1nsVdDjbrLsMkQ5Kv9osTgKrbvyxd2kffGO9pR woE4NQaiiNcCZth4lFBuXVcp4zh.K0Y_wIXI9F0ZsCiDy_T3dZLoh742J2fQ 1DQZDaTAvZqOOx3t6aMImVpkbSxvmkuhVBMWGx1OK5QaIj8W5xSXbTKzH.P9 0gLl1EK2._WRl6_E.XzLODuiDKGa6tU02X0T82_kwJpPEYNU64rIFLS5HQ.G O2LD6vGy94c8H3yJ.EBB7KuD78RbzLhiSQ5F8.xILf02k9WkUox2HAIdyfJV ZTSFePABszxFqd5dtmiuaKOAHZTAMveoCodWXzbzbTuhNKeNCp2pNhZnf6Ee iFY2epWXmQuB7Dr0F9QFj2.7HpPO5HvTZ9qV8yslJDLTGqiAPIs5CEqAmGLJ DmVYCRpWkzC8.PNfvPOQIoCktK_7dPYX0jkj.JnMsSVIlFCygmMAouk8uXRD a5lY6AOAq0DZXzQaqMJpEzzlyvO_98rIeMdyaWcbNDaqvZ1XtPAxmwGPh8oC c68WJqQIaLtFR5XAsYsD6WhpI0J9BAFAOm7VT9BVvgF0diW.cRPFh2aFQD0x AVGxphwtBinEVa8AHwWU_aMMkbcwOHjHZ2mMITIIUZ2Xd9eJlQUsq7my5..a CJfeI0cuhNkV3VrFxF7731fsaHQSmvElw_CrM1Wi0xGVqi0KkzmfmWtDv_sk iG60sV7sAkfkAwW4QqQjJnX04nTdm1yxJnUv1Bq8FxrBYV9sJ3UYSHzgXRTW 11sd7ZL0eZGzlVgU0M9FMcyE28WYNMamuZ7lhwLhdywAcW.zUNUTew4yIHar 0FaAx2fJMMqRRSNxErhH.n5jhXOkAJo_AwA5XY2_yOuFwQNpE45gjBRWl1IC Q8Tr.mf4qD4W3RhrsjhwK1mMdm7dZeVbUwqzC.A.WZY212sPeB_xXvLfNc96 8Q1.iUrhAjR7J8gAeCS7uRHgJfFBr8yZvfZsXGvblKOSi8B1Ahno1DlPWMXx tW9oaffaFtzd0551Gbp2UDIfVODoFbT2iQo5AbqfK40EIk3IJazdOawBQSkt NLw7VeKi1zbDay2IhOpqupmG2WaL_.1jnA00pXLfjqkUIzHhS2do3JrY8kMC 0dioAXqMNT08QOaUO6PDFYhPYVEm0zNotqXUTC8_EFtAW8C9BSz9dXwqpeP4 HoLc_Ju.Pzbravb_JhC2U7GKuhNdJtodcBV63V11lgRVNZhNXWPh8eBpWlaa bnvwtXUFsqyVjaeCIBAdhOWoqpsp.DSyex5sgd5M8dhD9txE9v5h4WB3Nhuc tNF8J4G1YMmJBaD5WUBAsgxAvLh8EhtRcEDG5xH_66in8GGHeSvzKwBXpPaJ VLRVNpA8zBUSC0iT48sJ8K702h2.Z5vv42UEl4eFFcg.a06VQP2.78FjX.j8 .p5QYR_yy4Mi2titHBXU5Qi18._gXVygxQOt2e9jHBRyXJ4aPNLMx85ULJMI SBo4wy.YWQIFUNWWpk8nGMiWbJ6KcH5iuQwsya97Y1._zRjkRJclKLgtQ3w0 IZfdEF8AX0GZmIg6svRBQ6YDVQF0CeO2zz15RyK6z5OXb4LU2YugLzVV_s3x ZYGz9Irll7L__LcJ6PhQN5CW18dtW.mifo1WVmSDYqMGwKBPuXDag114xnHH amfZzh2caQhYlT1Hsi15Iyz9RDVNDPQH.VlTWjrvoLDS2P0DFHFAdoziV0Xd KXpSVZRvENESXev2yfjtHPQtwIK_4Ac4g1Hc2ci4CFokMLDs8PggmKUuoSGp WA0Zd6q5UkGD4cFgE80Px2LZ5np872hnjTVtSCn6D8g3nu8UIMCYaxjZUwpQ Ai2209g-- X-Received: from [46.195.147.55] by web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:24:25 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346418940.19946.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346433417.59689.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <573226FB-6A0A-48CC-9044-3B880AD011A2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1346480665.77968.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 07:24:25 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <573226FB-6A0A-48CC-9044-3B880AD011A2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=5Sp43U2Z38iNWV5eHgnBrFKmVnucVadZaTW23LAX9gChFp0 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In facto, US unlicenced part 15 is a free bradcasting, but even 100mW in Sw= eden you need a licence. I'm lobbying for to get 1 - 3 watts unlicenced in = the AM band and first step in the X-band. No risk of interfearence to legal= stations, there are non there. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 1 september 2012 2:16 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit =C2=A0=20 On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Up to 3 watt in sweden lower fee from swedish FCC, less than 100 USD anua= lly. Can be in the 1600-1700kHz (1800)kHz. Out of band, no licence from rad= ioauthority www.mrtv.se , from PTS only www.pts.se AMS 15 kHz no problemas.= . Want to swap FCCs? LOL Sweden regs make much more sense. 3 Watts still is n= ot going to interfere with anybody, and can actually get useable coverage. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Aug 31 23:26:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55758 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2012 06:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2012 06:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.196) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2012 06:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.48] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 06:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.133] by tm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 06:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 06:26:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 307200.38912.bm@omp1038.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73558 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2012 06:26:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3nn0C_UVM1nM2nGbIJDM_ckMuKIt6loSoLutSYUjmkRM5S2 0xaWqd0xi5F2Ujxl2xQbdovSdqNq5Ie8ZGGiEUpmdujqurgi0JVzvZ2s7H8W S8BMxgiutbYEm0dZZhOqy0tqqVdBJ1H2O2glVwR3I.wg0mMRGOYFaUlxzGoZ hScf_RDC3AjoxKhhQY2QUwg1NyHMr58F_QBOVy9hu2O3HJVXzG7wSDHdCNSq pNGJgIuAMYdGW.moOPLAXgt8s7S8H_gdhPdx6bbMAAwqga54FRUxTgbca1SX q3oIb2i2oaRoqH_RVnVkwlRn6WAK6YETeNp8PVsvfQgRHo93Oof.tg8c.PUA K0ZFfDmTJUM9zSu.q83_wka8E58RytABOC7Iu9zrCFJt13xrlzASPtPGj09G t6dteaJKkVVayrIgWW.OHXP1xCnhGG5H3nDpkfYyLaAqvEMXC1rvu8z.qnCS LLgrL5WOvyeDJbM8wNigg4IeV_WeOK3_7RhVI6c9_jQPXNx05BfB6EpIUm2q 4V6ZVSaSg941okojE3mprGK2qbSWR.5lHzelgo8RkoLx1z.nyXW6DQz.XGTi Xu5qOU7tOod6HZjMrFlyN2SC0nZfWJMZPjhcG5aCvsR0.jfrv1vD0S1XD.qc rH5rub9cArw40ZOpw6olkIclP8UHL9.Vc754EAYYtDFNIKgbiOhzAB.2XcJ6 _S17.e08_3nuTsxk1nM4AIISrD1MJoOj7_1W2iGHRvopqBjA75_g7IY6PPp5 HxCzd972FDUgBZInj7QdxHZH.ScccYBWEAqbtEJ8eiDgAXjafZRJYT0.PN40 RhjaL2GqGq4YFbuCIFpeE4Xde06VGuT_LlWnY55FiudXBxZjCXB.9GiXbgq_ LaYMHegCEZ_WLAOTprbMtVxEy X-Received: from [46.195.147.55] by web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:26:40 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346433152.33126.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1346480800.73501.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 07:26:40 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=YK5lbH-_Tu09tXPgf0A0xPz25t7B74xNiHYfZeKNQRum4ig X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A TRAM in a cage is aviable to a reduced price and been as a back up TX onl= y few hours on air.. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 1 september 2012 2:14 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > I suppose it's still intact of 600kW, but TX from -84. laid a bid and an = offer. Gave time to=C2=A0 oct 1 and if positive start negotiations=E2=80=A6 It would be such a crying shame to scrap such a nice old girl. I like Telef= unken transmitters. I bet it can make some RF! LOL > can be in use of 50kW with a new TX=E2=80=A6 If I were buying a new 50 KW Transmitter today, I would have to give the co= ntract to Nautel. Their transmitters are first rate and you cannot beat the= ir support. I put a new Nautel XR-6 on the air at 730 WLTQ and we love it. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Sep 01 04:59:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30390 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2012 11:59:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2012 11:59:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.137) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2012 11:58:59 -0000 X-Received: from nschwcmgw05p ([61.9.190.165]) by nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120901115858.IRED4662.nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwcmgw05p>; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:58:58 +0000 X-Received: from DavoPC ([124.190.32.93]) by nschwcmgw05p with BigPond Outbound id tnyy1j00120ZTW401nyynb; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:58:58 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=D4zF24tj c=1 sm=1 a=I9dLo3FRuGvaddKcpQD/vA==:17 a=JDadKst33uMA:10 a=THVNi_iBNF0A:10 a=1IlZJK9HAAAA:8 a=EKpLEpQA3ksTgNL5KrAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=8UzGmee0bm97ZfNe:21 a=GbH4F356ZBcbVpJ3:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=nNR8woK_OlFVieuZsEgA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=I9dLo3FRuGvaddKcpQD/vA==:117 To: Cc: "'amstereofan'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 21:58:54 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac2H01ggPflWHECpQG+oBEEEUfDKHwAXfR8Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "ian davidson" Subject: RE: Hello Ian ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G'day guys in AM Stereoland. I guess most on this list would have been around for a while. Me Too 3XY!! I've lost a lot of touch lately, but have to thank UK Dave for sending the message below. I've decided to share it, and my response, with you as perhaps the latest radio report from the former AM Stereo Capital of The World . Melbourne, Oz. Sorry Dave - I'm reversing the order so that this makes more sense. I think you are a great man!!! -----Original Message----- From: amstereofan G'day Ian Thought I would say Hi...Wonder how life is for you these days ? I have recently posted on the amstereoforum and noticed no posts from you for some time so wonder if everything is ticketeboo with you ?! I am quite into FM DX'ing now having bought a few new radios and tuners in the last few years, there are some amazing DSP ones at a good price... DAB+ is not very popular then in Oz ? Hope you are ok anyway Regards Dave (UK) _________ Hi Dave Great to hear from you! A few years back I took early retirement with a redundancy package for 39 years of boredom at CSIRO. I've never been happier. I'm now president of the Elwood Croquet Club, where we play 3 times a week. When I joined there were only 10 members. Now we have over 40. I also do volunteer work for 3GDR (Golden Days Radio) every Wednesday and enjoy finally having an actual connection with broadcast radio. Digital radio here is doing very well. It celebrated its 3rd birthday in Melbourne on 24 August with all local stations doing their breakfast sessions from Federation Square . and yes! . I was silly enough to go in early on a cold winter morning to check it out. It's so different to AM stereo in 1985. It's still being promoted by the CRA (commercial stations) and SBS and the ABC. Melbourne now has 51 stations, mostly rubbish as far as I'm concerned, but it all adds to choice. The ABC does it brilliantly, with special stations popping up for special events. It sounds great to me, and we have so much variety as to receivers that we can buy. I have 4 DAB+ mantel radios - one connected to the stereo system and another with its own smaller speakers 10' apart, plus 3 "walkmans". Even Sony eventually joined the party about 18 months late, and now I love both of my Sony DAB+ radios. For a while I couldn't stop buying them. I do miss the wonderful times that we had discussing and trying to promote AM stereo, but it's well and truly gone here . about 4 to 5 years ago (less in Canberra). It has eventually been replaced with something much better. About a year ago our federal government facilitated and financially assisted Melbourne's full powered community stations to broadcast in DAB+ from the old ATV10 tower at Mount Dandenong. As more analog TV stations are closed down (by the end of next year) more spectrum is becoming available for more DAB+ broadcasting in rural areas. I hardly ever post to the AMS Forum anymore as anything I'd probably say would be rubbing most Americans noses in it. Crikey - have they got it wrong???!!! I've always respected you as you've contributed so much to discussions and even recording AMS when the UK never even embraced it. Cheers from Downunder! Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sat Sep 01 05:32:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28411 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2012 12:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2012 12:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ie0-f175.google.com) (209.85.223.175) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2012 12:32:36 -0000 X-Received: by iebc11 with SMTP id c11so2495849ieb.34 for ; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 05:32:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.161.132 with SMTP id xs4mr5798294igb.39.1346502755925; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 05:32:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 05:32:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 05:32:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 20:32:35 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.223.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Hello Ian ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=jpeBJd_czv4NRwv6gjGwemM5O2OXvJQha-JrLZSNEFDESXdS X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ian. Good to hear another Australian. I'm from Perth. I missed out on the three year celebrations but because I work away from the city now. However I won a dab+ radio in the 2009 gathering. A pure siesta clock radio haha. One of the stations broadcasting there mentioned AM stereo in a not so flattering light even though this station once sounded good on AM. Seemed to be reading from the marketing sheet. Funny thing i had my am stereo radio with me. You are right that DAB+ is quite decent though. Neither system is perfect but most will prefer the low noise crisp DAB. Dan On Sep 1, 2012 7:59 PM, "ian davidson" wrote: > ** > > > > > G'day guys in AM Stereoland. > > I guess most on this list would have been around for a while. Me Too 3XY!= ! > > I've lost a lot of touch lately, but have to thank UK Dave for sending th= e > message below. I've decided to share it, and my response, with you as > perhaps the latest radio report from the former AM Stereo Capital of The > World . Melbourne, Oz. > > Sorry Dave - I'm reversing the order so that this makes more sense. I thi= nk > you are a great man!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: amstereofan > > G'day Ian > > Thought I would say Hi...Wonder how life is for you these days ? I have > recently posted on the amstereoforum and noticed no posts from you for so= me > time so wonder if everything is ticketeboo with you ?! > > I am quite into FM DX'ing now having bought a few new radios and tuners i= n > the last few years, there are some amazing DSP ones at a good price... > > DAB+ is not very popular then in Oz ? > > Hope you are ok anyway > > Regards > > Dave > > (UK) > > _________ > > Hi Dave > > Great to hear from you! > > A few years back I took early retirement with a redundancy package for 39 > years of boredom at CSIRO. > > I've never been happier. I'm now president of the Elwood Croquet Club, > where we play 3 times a week. When I joined there were only 10 members. > Now we have over 40. > > I also do volunteer work for 3GDR (Golden Days Radio) every Wednesday and > enjoy finally having an actual connection with broadcast radio. > > Digital radio here is doing very well. It celebrated its 3rd birthday in > Melbourne on 24 August with all local stations doing their breakfast > sessions from Federation Square . and yes! . I was silly enough to go in > early on a cold winter morning to check it out. It's so different to AM > stereo in 1985. It's still being promoted by the CRA (commercial stations= ) > and SBS and the ABC. Melbourne now has 51 stations, mostly rubbish as far > as I'm concerned, but it all adds to choice. The ABC does it brilliantly, > with special stations popping up for special events. > > It sounds great to me, and we have so much variety as to receivers that w= e > can buy. I have 4 DAB+ mantel radios - one connected to the stereo system > and another with its own smaller speakers 10' apart, plus 3 "walkmans". > Even Sony eventually joined the party about 18 months late, and now I lov= e > both of my Sony DAB+ radios. For a while I couldn't stop buying them. > > I do miss the wonderful times that we had discussing and trying to promot= e > AM stereo, but it's well and truly gone here . about 4 to 5 years ago (le= ss > in Canberra). It has eventually been replaced with something much better. > About a year ago our federal government facilitated and financially > assisted > Melbourne's full powered community stations to broadcast in DAB+ from the > old ATV10 tower at Mount Dandenong. As more analog TV stations are closed > down (by the end of next year) more spectrum is becoming available for mo= re > DAB+ broadcasting in rural areas. > > I hardly ever post to the AMS Forum anymore as anything I'd probably say > would be rubbing most Americans noses in it. Crikey - have they got it > wrong???!!! > > I've always respected you as you've contributed so much to discussions an= d > even recording AMS when the UK never even embraced it. > > Cheers from Downunder! > > Ian > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Sep 01 06:26:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69662 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2012 13:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2012 13:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2012 13:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q81DQfaB005638 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:26:41 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.1]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1608BE000088 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f792.3f93d978.3d736710@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:26:40 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423432896:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294850420d110d11 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Hello Ian ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=Mbjg_iCZO_1Flcyfp-Ue8r7oeaTh9BfWqYkZQprm2E1mL4wEWO8e X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Very nice to hear from Ian in Australia. There are several things about DAB+ broadcasting in Australia that are not clear to me. #1 - What is the actual band of frequencies used for DAB+ in Australia? As I understand it, DAB+ is a separate service from AM or FM and not meant to replace either one? #2 - What is . the range of DAB+? If it uses a higher VHF or UHF band it would have limited range useful mainly for city or urban areas. #3 - How well does DAB+ cope with power-line interference and weak signal or "picket fencing" while listening in a car radio? From what I have heard DAB+ is very susceptible to any kind of interference so it would never be able to replace analog broadcasts in the AM band itself. It would need to rely on a VHF or UHF band to avoid terrestrial interference. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sat Sep 01 07:47:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29638 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2012 14:47:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2012 14:47:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iy0-f172.google.com) (209.85.210.172) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2012 14:47:12 -0000 X-Received: by iabz21 with SMTP id z21so7899612iab.17 for ; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:47:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.57.194 with SMTP id k2mr6170312igq.32.1346510831535; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:47:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 07:47:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3f792.3f93d978.3d736710@aol.com> References: <3f792.3f93d978.3d736710@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 22:47:11 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Hello Ian ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=Kc72vibTSOEtRPJIVlMZ5aAWDIYyxXuIbDAEdGrtB72RqdkJ X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Todd, On 1 September 2012 21:26, wrote: > ** > nice to hear from Ian in Australia. There are several things about > > DAB+ broadcasting in Australia that are not clear to me. > #1 - What is the > actual > band of frequencies used for DAB+ in Australia? As I understand it, DAB+ > is a > separate service from AM or FM and not meant to replace either one? > Yes, that's right. DAB+ operates in the VHF Band III (174 =96 230 MHz) http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=3DPC_90054 The AM and FM stations are all simulcasting on the DAB+ multiplex. There are some new stations as Ian mentioned, but they are all run by the existing broadcast companies. There are no plans to switch off AM/FM. > #2 - > What is . > the range of DAB+? If it uses a higher VHF or UHF band it would have > limited range > useful mainly for city or urban areas. > Probably similar to FM > #3 - How well does DAB+ cope with > power-line > interference and weak signal or "picket fencing" while listening in a car > radio? > This is an interesting question. The consensus seems to be that car listening is where DAB+ excels because it doesn't suffer from multipath distortion. There is debate that FM still sounds better in a lounge-room setting with a good antenna. > From what I have heard DAB+ is very susceptible to any kind of > interference so it > would never be able to replace analog broadcasts in the AM band itself. I= t > would need > to rely on a VHF or UHF band to avoid terrestrial interference. > For sure. Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM+) is a candidate to replace AM transmissions in the medium wave band, but it hasn't really been spoken of seriously yet. There are different modes for DRM that allow it to operate with9khz and 18khz channels. There is debate as to whether AAC+ (the compression format used by DRM) can sound decent at the bitrates possible with 18kHz AM channels (we have 9kHz channel spacings) with reliable reception. Reliable reception becomes more difficult with increasingly complex constellation patterns. AM is probably the best for the low bandwidth channels on this band. Both DAB and DRM transmit on a channel consisting of many carriers which are modulated with QAM :-) DAB+ is a bit of a communist system where many stations share the same 'ensemble' or multiplex on a transmitter. It is up to the receiver to ignore all the other stations other than the one selected by the listener. There is a bit of wasted energy doing this and battery life is poorer than AM. Hope this helps Dan > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Sep 01 08:21:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76972 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2012 15:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2012 15:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2012 15:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q81FLIeu024959 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:21:19 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgb001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.1]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 589FCE000085 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f07.30385894.3d7381ef@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:21:19 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485048640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a504227ef65e4 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Hello Ian ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=cOnwwtvmUFrv6zxGhEHiIU36R-GXBleGGO4IoryFZB9TvKZ4xalm X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi Dan, Thanks for answering all my questions about DAB+ broadcasting in Australia. That is interesting the way they can multiplex several different stations on one frequency. Glad to hear they will leave the present AM band as it is. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 9/1/2012 10:48:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, piccoli.dan@gmail.com writes: Both DAB and DRM transmit on a channel consisting of many carriers which are modulated with QAM :-) DAB+ is a bit of a communist system where many stations share the same 'ensemble' or multiplex on a transmitter. It is up to the receiver to ignore all the other stations other than the one selected by the listener. There is a bit of wasted energy doing this and battery life is poorer than AM. Hope this helps Dan From amstereofan@gmail.com Sat Sep 01 17:14:50 2012 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=35526;u=;t=1346721653;m=1332691669;s=3583394285; From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Sep 01 22:15:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62263 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 05:15:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2012 05:15:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2012 05:15:10 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q825F8Yx005398 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 01:15:08 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgd002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.5]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CB446E000082 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 01:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18fb.760ba508.3d74455c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 01:15:08 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483727808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca5042eb5c1d4f X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Alert - Is WCBS AM 880 now in C-Quam at night? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=_z96Y8liMuAiRNt3lQksK4VY1P8-jFDsQDryP8hWW5HcEYr-Nzn2 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I was scanning the AM band Saturday night Sept 1 with a Delco UX1 and just noticed the Stereo light is staying on when I tuned into WCBS AM 880 in NYC. Whenever WCBS built up to a good signal level the Stereo light lit up steadily. The audio seemed to be in mono as it is a news station. Once or twice while I was listening the Stereo light went off for about half a minute, then came back on, so perhaps they are testing a new C-Quam system? I wonder if WCBS is now following the same idea as WLS AM 89 in Chicago by running AM HD in the daytime and switching to C-Quam at night to avoid adjacent-channel interference? That would be a good-neighborPlus it is always encouraging to hear a new C-Quam signal in the AM band. At the top of the hour they did identify as WCBS AM HD and HD3 on an FM station but don't remember the FM call letters. By the way WLS 89 also lit up the stereo light and I could hear some ambience on several local commercial jingles so that confirms WLS 89 is still C-Quam at night. Some platform motion was noticed on WLS. At times it seemed to beat with another carrier about 2-3Hz off-frequency which correlated with the platform motion. Perhaps someone else in the Northeast or in the NYC area could check WCBS at night to see if they can confirm they are now broadcasting in C-Quam at night? 73 - Todd WD4NGG From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Sat Sep 01 23:21:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60069 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 06:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2012 06:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s20.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.222) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2012 06:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W18 ([65.54.190.201]) by bay0-omc4-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 1 Sep 2012 23:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 02:19:04 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <18fb.760ba508.3d74455c@aol.com> References: <18fb.760ba508.3d74455c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2012 06:19:05.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA5ADCF0:01CD88D2] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} Alert - Is WCBS AM 880 now in C-Quam at night? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=1qXFDl39EbNUbNklbs7-KMj00i6nVitqbHyNQimRfdDVGX0_s61tbmq6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd- no, WCBS is not in CQUAM. I listen to them every day, and they are no= t HD either- Delco's are not easy to fool, so I wonder what is triggering i= t? Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 01:15:08 -0400 Subject: {AMSF} Alert - Is WCBS AM 880 now in C-Quam at night? =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I was scanning the AM band Saturday night Sept 1 with a Delco UX1 and= just=20=20 noticed the Stereo light is staying on when I tuned into WCBS AM 880 in = =20 NYC. Whenever WCBS built up to a good signal level the Stereo light lit up=20 steadily.=20 The audio seemed to be in mono as it is a news station. Once or twice=20 while I was=20 listening the Stereo light went off for about half a minute, then came=20 back on, so perhaps they are testing a new C-Quam system?=20 I wonder if WCBS is now following the same idea as WLS AM 89 in Chicago by= =20 running AM HD in the daytime and switching to C-Quam at night to avoid=20 adjacent-channel interference? That would be a good-neighborPlus it is always encouraging to hear a new C-Quam signal in the AM band. At the top= =20 of the hour=20 they did identify as WCBS AM HD and HD3 on an FM station but don't=20 remember the FM call letters. By the way WLS 89 also lit up the stereo light and I could hear some=20 ambience on several local commercial jingles so that confirms WLS 89 is still C-Quam=20 at night. Some platform motion was noticed on WLS. At times it seemed to beat with=20 another carrier about 2-3Hz off-frequency which correlated with the platform=20 motion. Perhaps someone else in the Northeast or in the NYC area could check WCBS= =20 at night to see if they can confirm they are now broadcasting in C-Quam at night? 73 - Todd WD4NGG =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sun Sep 02 01:40:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36979 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 08:40:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2012 08:40:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.140) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2012 08:40:55 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.93]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120902084054.UPS24575.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 08:40:54 +0000 X-Received: from DavoPC ([124.190.32.93]) by nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120902084053.YZFC9417.nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@DavoPC> for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 08:40:53 +0000 To: References: <3f792.3f93d978.3d736710@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3f792.3f93d978.3d736710@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 18:40:53 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac2IRXKTVnjtfhQCQh6w/JunMvctzwAnIP6Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "ian davidson" Subject: DAB+ radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Thanks to Dan of Perth for technically answering Todd's questions. Here's my take . > #1 - What is the actual band of frequencies used for DAB+ in Australia? As I understand it, DAB+ is a separate service from AM or FM and not meant to replace either one? As I understand it DAB+ broadcasts using the frequencies at or near TV Channel 9A. All previously approved stations with full metro licenses are permitted to broadcast two separate services using DAB+. The more creative ones create a new station. The lazy ones sometimes just simulcast the same service . like 3AW and 3AW+. Digital gives the stations the ability to be more creative. It is not intended to replace analog services in the short to medium term. #2 - What is the range of DAB+? If it uses a higher VHF or UHF band it would have limited range useful mainly for city or urban areas. At this stage, DAB+ is only available in the major metro markets. #3 - How well does DAB+ cope with power-line interference and weak signal or "picket fencing" while listening in a car radio? From what I have heard DAB+ is very susceptible to any kind of interference so it would never be able to replace analog broadcasts in the AM band itself. It would need to rely on a VHF or UHF band to avoid terrestrial interference. Compared with AM and FM, DAB+ has very little interference. Like digital TV, you either get perfect reception or you don't. I think most digital receivers are generally better constructed than most analog radios (just as Cquam radios used to be). And similarly they are more expensive. I suppose you get what you pay for. There are occasional times when you simply lose the signal altogether, a sort of valley effect. But it seems to me that wherever you previously got good reception in AM and/or FM you're simply going to get a crisper signal with less interference on DAB+. One major drawback though is that digital radio (like digital TV) takes a few seconds to process the signal. So that if Johnny Electron was listening to DAB+ while attending the Mud Hens playing at Toledo Stadium he'd see someone struck out maybe 3 seconds before the radio commentator caught up with it. >73 - Todd WD4NGG Cheers to you Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@centurytel.net Sun Sep 02 06:24:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@centurytel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75752 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 13:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2012 13:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail960c35.nsolutionszone.com) (209.235.152.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2012 13:24:56 -0000 X-Authenticated-User: amfmdx.centurytel.net X-Received: from [192.168.2.4] (72-161-193-92.dyn.centurytel.net [72.161.193.92]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail960c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q82DOrE2016837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 13:24:56 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) In-Reply-To: <18fb.760ba508.3d74455c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 08:24:53 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <18fb.760ba508.3d74455c@aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=gNi+tNpv0LygEx3DY/msEtM+X9fUaFfI10l8bhRwt/Y= c=1 sm=1 a=UxlxOK3S6qIA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=R7urFkkfBGN4mw4wyHQdDw==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=XCcKUMQsRggiS6tCU7IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=R7urFkkfBGN4mw4wyHQdDw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.50435E28.006C,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Originating-IP: 209.235.152.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alert - Is WCBS AM 880 now in C-Quam at night? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=348428246; y=boLxp7TgYmuL8jUShXyMFdbBpmUfGE4m-rkvUgtJVU09FW98IQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Sep 2, 2012, at 12:15 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > I was scanning the AM band Saturday night Sept 1 with a Delco UX1 and jus= t=20=20 > noticed the Stereo light is staying on when I tuned into WCBS AM 880 in = =20 > NYC. Its falsing. There is another station on 880 somewhere that is off frequenc= y. Thats what causes it to light up your pilot indicator. Kevin Crump, TN From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Sep 02 07:44:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45144 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 14:44:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2012 14:44:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iy0-f169.google.com) (209.85.210.169) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2012 14:44:30 -0000 X-Received: by iagk10 with SMTP id k10so7923862iag.0 for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 07:44:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.168.106 with SMTP id zv10mr8449077igb.13.1346597069965; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 07:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 07:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 07:44:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3f792.3f93d978.3d736710@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 22:44:29 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB+ radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=r7DV_nM1yZM0YlSGXFi5wnOqo75AWvhu76RtDTlLYZqIUHVn X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ian. Good descripton. There is a lot more variability in the reception and sound quality of FM and AM compared to DAB assuming we are on the good side of the digital cliff. The variability of a DAB service comes from the bitrate allocated to it. Service bitrates in Australia range from about 32kbps to 110kbps AAC+. Dan On Sep 2, 2012 4:41 PM, "ian davidson" wrote: > ** > > > > > From: toddroberts2001@aol.com > > Thanks to Dan of Perth for technically answering Todd's questions. > > Here's my take . > > > #1 - What is the actual band of frequencies used for DAB+ in Australia? > As I understand it, DAB+ > is a separate service from AM or FM and not meant to replace either one? > > As I understand it DAB+ broadcasts using the frequencies at or near TV > Channel 9A. > > All previously approved stations with full metro licenses are permitted t= o > broadcast two separate services using DAB+. The more creative ones create= a > new station. The lazy ones sometimes just simulcast the same service . li= ke > 3AW and 3AW+. > > Digital gives the stations the ability to be more creative. It is not > intended to replace analog services in the short to medium term. > > #2 - What is the range of DAB+? If it uses a higher VHF or UHF band it > would > have limited range useful mainly for city or urban areas. > > At this stage, DAB+ is only available in the major metro markets. > > #3 - How well does DAB+ cope with power-line interference and weak signal > or > "picket fencing" while listening in a car radio? From what I have heard > DAB+ is very susceptible to any kind of interference so it would never be > able to replace analog broadcasts in the AM band itself. It would need > to rely on a VHF or UHF band to avoid terrestrial interference. > > Compared with AM and FM, DAB+ has very little interference. Like digital > TV, you either get perfect reception or you don't. I think most digital > receivers are generally better constructed than most analog radios (just = as > Cquam radios used to be). And similarly they are more expensive. I suppos= e > you get what you pay for. > > There are occasional times when you simply lose the signal altogether, a > sort of valley effect. But it seems to me that wherever you previously go= t > good reception in AM and/or FM you're simply going to get a crisper signa= l > with less interference on DAB+. > > One major drawback though is that digital radio (like digital TV) takes a > few seconds to process the signal. So that if Johnny Electron was listeni= ng > to DAB+ while attending the Mud Hens playing at Toledo Stadium he'd see > someone struck out maybe 3 seconds before the radio commentator caught up > with it. > > >73 - Todd WD4NGG > > Cheers to you Todd > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 02 08:11:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61470 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 15:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2012 15:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.135) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2012 15:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 15:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 15:11:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 15:11:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4f07.30385894.3d7381ef@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Hello Ian ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=wEBENs6RwF5cEzJyBa8Xas98fmBw50lMXQ0tXUQsz19eMVCo815Pdak X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ian wrote: "...So that if Johnny Electron was listening to DAB+ while attending the Mud Hens playing at Toledo Stadium he'd see so= meone struck out maybe 3 seconds before the radio commentator caught up wit= h it..." Good to hear from you Ian - yes, when they first had the Toledo Mud Hens ga= mes on the AM HD, they would shut-off the HD to prevent that from happening= , but then got lazy and would forget to shut it down, which also delayed th= e analog audio; however, they have since switched from that AM HD station t= o an analog-only AM station, so that's not a problem anymore - but they're = still stiking out! FWIW, Jamie Farr, of M*A*S*H does visit here every Augu= st, goes to a Mud Hens game, goes to Tony Packo's and sponsors an LPGA golf= tourney. 73 John, aka Johnny Electron From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 02 08:14:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58184 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 15:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2012 15:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2012 15:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 15:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 15:14:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 15:14:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: DAB+ radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=T3m_VhNmktqFRH_Ze0avAvupBg5L0lDNY9LLhyjep5jlSrqs7BBvLZ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio So it sounds like Oz with VHFIII (174MHz to 230MHz) would use all of the US= A VHF-hi channels from TV7-TV13 - wow! The cellphone companies would never = allow radio to have that much, and even our FCC has turned a deaf ear to us= ing TV5 & TV6 for a new band for the AM's to locate to. From radio774@yahoo.se Sun Sep 02 08:19:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9303 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 15:19:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2012 15:19:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.63) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2012 15:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 15:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.246] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 15:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 15:19:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 325820.74641.bm@omp1011.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 76765 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2012 15:19:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hCH4XNkVM1n5z2SZ79CMMdGNU3pVhvyE1zBTqR.sg40EHjR BSoYo8hUb X-Received: from [46.195.26.35] by web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 16:19:48 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: Message-ID: <1346599188.76677.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:19:48 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: DAB+ radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=xM2W939fav5cPf91lPJ76s3e5J9lWaDuw7Wj8nNAxrhfEyo X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable U can use the L-band for dab+ in USA =3D 1452 - 1492 MHz????? Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 2 september 2012 17:14 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Re: DAB+ radio =C2=A0=20 So it sounds like Oz with VHFIII (174MHz to 230MHz) would use all of the US= A VHF-hi channels from TV7-TV13 - wow! The cellphone companies would never = allow radio to have that much, and even our FCC has turned a deaf ear to us= ing TV5 & TV6 for a new band for the AM's to locate to. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Sep 02 09:23:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69639 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 16:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2012 16:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2012 16:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q82GN51W020451 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 12:23:05 -0400 X-Received: from core-mgd002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.5]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 47098E000085 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 12:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19b89.524ae47c.3d74e1e9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 12:23:05 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471529952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e504387e94b4f X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alert - Is WCBS AM 880 now in C-Quam at night? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=KRYA4_tV77YXocu4WiQbP-8sJFZ1DRFFLbn0OI3ZGygqdg6K-fzj X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Thanks for the info from Chris and Kevin on my Delco UX1 decoder probably falsing when I thought WCBS was using C-Quam Saturday night. I was hearing a Spanish station underneath WCBS Saturday night but they were very close in frequency, less than 1Hz apart. It was unusual that while the stereo pilot was lit I was able to hear a kind of slow-motion platform motion, with the WCBS announcer slowly drifting from the Left channel to Right channel in about a half-minute's time. At the same time the Spanish music seemed to be drifting back and forth in the opposite channel. Still not sure what could be falsing the stereo decoder. I have seen it come on for a few short periods with certain kinds of nighttime fading before but it would usually last only a few seconds at a time. Saturday night the stereo pilot would stay lit for 20 minutes at a time then go off for a few minutes, whether or not I could hear the Spanish station in the background. Also the Spanish station was definitely in mono. I do know it takes a very precise tone of exactly 25Hz to trigger the stereo decoder. I will listen Sunday night tonight to see if the same thing happens again. Thanks again to Kevin and Chris for the info and also thanks to Ian for his take on the technical side of DAB+ in Australia. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 9/2/2012 9:25:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amfmdx@centurytel.net writes: Its falsing. There is another station on 880 somewhere that is off frequency. Thats what causes it to light up your pilot indicator. Kevin Crump, TN From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 02 13:53:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71727 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 20:53:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2012 20:53:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2012 20:53:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 20:53:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.111] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 20:53:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 20:53:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 227892.64798.bm@omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 12361 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2012 20:53:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dsDFE9YVM1nV.rIXy8DE6KIYqqDSi7dj5rzgSUKKX8cao9R aQHTR2TPlhAdiSRwmTfgCtupBXHsbQ2gjFVHupgPz4JZYgGNaRjSHTy14uMA HLmMyvffuYmuh8dOgOu7THBLilR6F235Ljh59E4TbtfJ_uVorzWmKpFNSK86 9bHEQV6TdU0.4ZYVAORJOnBs98_lNfusklWosY5Fou0txhECbgPMNYMVSVYj n0_JQ6WRFFqc34C.BEX9Z0DkyrR0gmgsbtVihQQHmxib2UtsE82Pz7XJyRdo NFBVSRWb5zxNZzZj13CYk7cEUS5.i68gGNKwJ_9zCN_Xyrs8al2r.9lduDfU OCjtDBh8h4CwvWnJnJwa3x4Yh6HD6IdXI.ohT9EUHYCyeL3aZVmGrnV6Ra7m fw4xUMpZXevaMx9Ugbl6Hc1WbNafl3XdhQvXaAEhzlcyKvUVut7Kw7c.85KT 32uS_dTNeDVxbVyQaBtGNJRr.BDN7ITgSIyX5e61sRq.mXVQPKdTZfnLVd1Z WZWzz9oOTOikYMbRPIhBwbzgnKFq6x1VFqNbUyNwF.5omKqUYiR0SGCtCI6Y VXlm7H6ucQbsQAaZYd1HAWs1TzqOdhPS2Xuea8XudrxrU0iN_3Y_BrD5zH1b qLgC8H31d5MYRetADEAgpogfj17VVb1uEHQlE_SbXSkvF_O37DyS_vfBhXVx 0N05ZC4TfY8FekkX8W1lOV9GZ9Jx2rDCMat5uhAy3Nd7js5mIrYzNCSe8Tlt kobpVfSJE.vyqZ73NT1Q02AeXViCWHsiqy4jCLW0CdFE1VC4NYTUnPgbY2Na qoD.9uM06hackLZIefKo40_XfgjAN_4yZD5fk.gBfusucqy8I.jCXYgDG3JV 0.6qd7y4XrkyzYwh1ic.PakDe4N_HArr3hsbZQIWPrQCJ0B7J02NmO7W3Bf3 YMN5aQrmUeenc6I4_O4.RCgy9nHmky2R4urtXn9Q1RHMcqGPVwqwADYXUHAX alirR3_3a2eO6GXJCIMiKYeWmDeZIVuE1tQDjTK9fzwQneHfPCuUndUwR8VV VJPA4ZDdImMKn6umcPIVuSwt4ex0ZjEL7S5D6Fz_wvGpuuO8c.9MQQ1N5PiQ .eafv7RaXFrM5XJQSwCM0OwJdxKgExLGmFtoZ_RjmZpCw6S1FOZNplg.Hh.3 I42_RlqDK2QUkJK4aQn1_PEPhJ4xD8NfYtGGWYKNEp3g9lvSCaWUnrBdKXZG KG11p7J6IETMshxOw_e8g.NKQNVATiJjozrZdtU1qA15Mnr_y9rwhJXrH9f6 Ba4K7UU2jImcsNv2ayNUI.lADIpVYI8LYQzQTIQuW18ojynVkmFCaCv7WmLG U7OT8Z5PdzcDyPwbD9Gs7vg.uJtSgp6VL_UdYmK0.YRmWLV.xh8DoUqVsdkW jhxgeNVzzCKhtxPPJqp3mWZl5bzFHSz84H2U_4oJuBGWIsg8JpGA8LiG38iu .wXZ7eT_CXU1QvyVLFeXOcS_l0N7Vfv3rDLp09gaAAuGysk1qy0K.9oGpCb0 STaiiyPgzWhwxKmqcUSOBC7wdUIryQPAxKTMh9jUT.j.cn2MBPaWOWHCbT0W pMgUoFLjqIxIzWMvLFMGdxLfP9u9rUwEMFx0SSaeMq9hhJx4UK_pId2lSwRN bG0OJ0RTDO3Y8qvJ_ujXGXdMLxC7TbAHC9BrvxYE7pJHlnS60D_ytyeTBJyn PdXxk45M12BnGY4V4HsJU8Y2VjBrGAAoFW5XEHYUrTXaLwhHdmIByUu0BX6W zjOl2ZqxLX9rSRGIF07dx1bjYpl17ZA3qizbCx2sMw41JHoioqBWNag45Qht Mgk5tZeN.XlGb11bz076MFIxF1.Ilq.C1wbORP5eFOD12XPnS4G8wU7YAaJI OwTXMVna0OppYJBODT21UxvNirLKKy0Y- X-Received: from [75.31.50.203] by web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 13:53:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 Message-ID: <1346619203.11469.YahooMailClassic@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 13:53:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: <19b89.524ae47c.3d74e1e9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.212.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alert - Is WCBS AM 880 now in C-Quam at night? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=yFFKE8Nz7lqeOXmSh435JStD7zWiTumARJkcwAulO9y5_xsXHIxhmB8FgM-kBkHYEJewh-95 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang=C2=A0 I have=C2=A0had that=C2=A0happen alot over the years getting = KOMO AM 1000 Seattle Wa on my TM 152 (MC 13020).=C2=A0 The MC 13028 dose no= t do that. I live just north east from Sacramento Ca.=C2=A0 Jim Smith --- On Sun, 9/2/12, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote= : From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alert - Is WCBS AM 880 now in C-Quam at night? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 2, 2012, 9:23 AM =C2=A0=20 Thanks for the info from Chris and Kevin on my Delco UX1 decoder probably=20 falsing when I thought WCBS was using C-Quam Saturday night. I was hearing a=20 Spanish=20 station underneath WCBS Saturday night but they were very close in=20 frequency, less than 1Hz apart.=20 It was unusual that while the stereo pilot was lit I was able to hear a=20 kind of slow-motion platform motion, with the WCBS announcer slowly drifting from the Left=20 channel to Right channel in about a half-minute's time. At the same time the Spanish=20 music seemed to be drifting back and forth in the opposite channel. Still not sure what could be falsing the stereo decoder. I have seen it=20 come on for a few short periods with certain kinds of nighttime fading before but it would=20 usually last only a few seconds at a time. Saturday night the stereo pilot would=20 stay lit for 20 minutes at a time then go off for a few minutes, whether or not I could= =20 hear the Spanish station in the background. Also the Spanish station was definitely= =20 in mono. I do know it takes a very precise tone of exactly 25Hz to trigger the=20 stereo decoder. I will listen Sunday night tonight to see if the same thing happens again. Thanks again to Kevin and Chris for the info and also thanks to Ian for his= =20 take on the technical side of DAB+ in Australia. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 9/2/2012 9:25:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 amfmdx@centurytel.net writes: Its falsing. There is another station on 880 somewhere that is off=20 frequency. Thats what causes it to light up your pilot indicator. Kevin Crump, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 02 19:33:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79752 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2012 02:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2012 02:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.8) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2012 02:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2012 02:33:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2012 02:33:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 02:33:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Photo added to Photos Section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0yxf5PT18yFKwShXgHnlpT1HbLytrNnW191_MMBqyS1D5dQCBkdV8VU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I added a photo of our late Uncle Lenny to the MISC Photos section of the K= ahn installation at WQXR in 1983 (from Radio World) From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Sep 02 19:45:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31608 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2012 02:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2012 02:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f54.google.com) (209.85.213.54) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2012 02:45:13 -0000 X-Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so911435yhf.13 for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 19:45:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.125.133 with SMTP id z5mr14091842yhh.121.1346640312845; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 19:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p36sm22050545yhe.20.2012.09.02.19.45.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 02 Sep 2012 19:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 22:45:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Photo added to Photos Section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=K6Vx-MQ0iWJQWSwj7TF7q8AufBusHxQAMp6HzdOKTmdVvmVt1KuRQVKTDgImTg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 2, 2012, at 10:33 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > I added a photo of our late Uncle Lenny to the MISC Photos section of the Kahn installation at WQXR in 1983 I do greatly miss listening to 1560 WQXR and the great Classical Music in AM Stereo. I listened on a Kenwood KRC-939. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Sep 03 10:42:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67503 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2012 17:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2012 17:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.187) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2012 17:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2012 17:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2012 17:42:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 17:42:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.81.199.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.199.217 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Photo added to Photos Section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=xcSGSdza3wKZ_9MnmPevf_WFshYk4Ymw_8IMue3QhiA1 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Although they weren't in use and the 50 HG was long gone the Kahn exciters = were still in that rack when I visited the site a few years ago before Radi= o Disney bought the AM. The studios were truely amazing. Everything was don= e right. You could have a group playing in the live studio and not hear it = in the air studio. It was built the way a radio station should be built. To= o bad the New York Times sold it because they needed the $$$. It didn't eve= n move the red ink on their bottom line. WNYC took over WQXR and the studio= s were moved. WNYC got WQXR's classical music library which was the second = biggest next to the Library of Congress. There was a frequency swap between= WQXR and a Spanish station as part of the deal. WQXR wound up on 105.9 at = 600 watts and the Spanish station got their frequency of 96.3 at 6 KW. As a= result you can no longer hear them out here on Long Island because WHCN in= Hartford on the same frequency. We now have to listen to them on internet.= The AM is now Radio Disney in HD. What a waste. WQXR sounded great in AM s= tereo. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Raper wrote: > >=20 > On Sep 2, 2012, at 10:33 PM, toledohamradio wrote: >=20 > > I added a photo of our late Uncle Lenny to the MISC Photos section of t= he Kahn installation at WQXR in 1983 >=20 >=20 > I do greatly miss listening to 1560 WQXR and the great Classical Music in= AM Stereo. I listened on a Kenwood KRC-939. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amstereofan@gmail.com Wed Sep 05 10:30:35 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85414 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2012 17:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2012 17:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2012 17:30:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1346866233; bh=3eJu0ttnO76Lgk7OMZSelTkWMJv0UdJkn6dRHagAsI0=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=VmodHQCaNQx+mOGHS/KFx/1K3U45bxjQM55dBmmMhIg/Ns5d/+expSH9YjwHjZDYii3vLmF+qIssEl9wGky0L4VzwhldVYAOHreGMIQI16grdJHbUJyWW1P9eLHvtLbN Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2012 17:30:33 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2012 17:30:33 -0000 X-Sender: amstereofan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52863 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 14:44:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2012 14:44:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 14:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 14:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 14:44:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:44:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: am stereo files list - where has it gone to ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=291801476; y=CGQanPFzsVboGCoqrMKfKyOiCitLkNBGEC7W-oUUZQr818zqpA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 05 Sep 2012 17:30:32 -0000 I guess this still exists ? I created the page below many years back which includes links to some of my= recordings but all files are not found now of course so would like to upda= te this if possible http://www.geocities.ws/dave_m1ctk/downloads.htm From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Sep 06 14:08:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59303 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2012 21:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2012 21:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2012 21:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120906160720101029700010> for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 16:07:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <5049107A.4040705@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 16:07:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 16:07:20 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <555BB1A4-7842-4ECF-9B62-4FBA8307F86F@gmail.com> <1346397581.16955.YahooMailNeo@web132504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1346433152.33126.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=dzbFqN5CVLwq0vg0CuxXv7xPb-8ad7JwVVXPnlJlkFtLdvosoAkc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 8/31/2012 7:14 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: > >> can be in use of 50kW with a new TX… > > > If I were buying a new 50 KW Transmitter today, I would have to give the contract to Nautel. Their transmitters are first rate and you cannot beat their support. I put a new Nautel XR-6 on the air at 730 WLTQ and we love it. > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > Funny you should mention that. I was catching up on my Radio World reading and found this: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/newbay/rw_20120620/index.php#/28 Note what she says in the fourth column- this thing can do CQUAM as well as HD and DRM! Scott Todd From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Sep 07 09:24:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66044 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2012 16:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2012 16:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.18) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2012 16:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2012 16:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2012 16:24:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:24:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5049107A.4040705@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.81.199.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.199.217 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo kit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=mBlTy_5AAxCCCOVSQhDhv616dHDkTKvLdxaHhhAzJllt X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I've seen them go in at a lot of stations. Very cool rigs. It's amazing. 50= KW rigs the size of a big refrigerator. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 8/31/2012 7:14 PM, Kevin Raper wrote: >=20 > > > >> can be in use of 50kW with a new TX=85 > > > > > > If I were buying a new 50 KW Transmitter today, I would have to give th= e contract to Nautel. Their transmitters are first rate and you cannot beat= their support. I put a new Nautel XR-6 on the air at 730 WLTQ and we love = it. > > > > 73, > > Kevin Raper > > KJ4HYD > > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > >=20 > Funny you should mention that. I was catching up on my Radio World=20 > reading and found this:=20 > http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/newbay/rw_20120620/index.php#/28 Note=20 > what she says in the fourth column- this thing can do CQUAM as well as=20 > HD and DRM! >=20 >=20 > Scott Todd > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Sep 07 09:30:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97074 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2012 16:30:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2012 16:30:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.152) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2012 16:30:41 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP342 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:30:40 -0700 X-EIP: [yhisSvcHpQY2NN0K8DzyeprwQRjeELlj] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP342.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:30:39 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:30:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2012 16:30:39.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DE6E300:01CD8D16] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: EAS setup for sale or Trade to CCuff tx X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=1rxreUqYd7SequVmnTtbmYD5nDbUU9yoXyw5YFTAgAOk X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have a EAS setup for sale. it's a two peice unit. will take $100.00 plus shipping looking to sell it in order to buy one of Chris' cquam kits. i would also be willing to swap the setup to one of chris' later vintage cquam transmitters provided it's one of his TX's that can be set to go up to 1 watt. looking to get one of these to experiment with. thinking of replacing the crystal with a J Gittings PLL and use it to drive my RSI TR20 in place of the oscillator board this EAS is surplus to my needs as i got a single peice unit and have no need for this one. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 07 15:08:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25910 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2012 22:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m11.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2012 22:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.200) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2012 22:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2012 22:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2012 22:08:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 22:08:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5049107A.4040705@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo -Nautel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=nGBKtHDpvsnC9FWKE83rY29s6zjDBKpRYfNSZOXNCsuxltFaIFq0vsw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I know that CFCO has their 10KW Nautel running C-Quam, but I believe you ha= ve to buy a separate CQAUM card from the Nautel "service group" for the C-Q= uam carrier, as that the transmitter only has an audio preset for the C-Qua= m style audio only; could be wrong, but I remember a guy from Nautel on the= board here mentioning that only the Service Group could get you the card. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > If I were buying a new 50 KW Transmitter today, I would have to give the= contract to Nautel. Their transmitters are first rate and you cannot beat = their support. I put a new Nautel XR-6 on the air at 730 WLTQ and we love i= t. > 73, > Kevin Raper > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > >=20 > Funny you should mention that. I was catching up on my Radio World=20 > reading and found this:=20 > http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/newbay/rw_20120620/index.php#/28 Note=20 > what she says in the fourth column- this thing can do CQUAM as well as=20 > HD and DRM! > Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Sep 07 16:57:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35207 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2012 23:57:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2012 23:57:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f170.google.com) (209.85.213.170) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2012 23:57:36 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f170.google.com with SMTP id l2so97351yen.15 for ; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:57:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.183.168 with SMTP id q28mr6331472yhm.45.1347062255829; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.1.3] (226.sub-75-216-221.myvzw.com. [75.216.221.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l10sm5777889ang.12.2012.09.07.16.57.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 19:57:26 -0400 Message-Id: References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} EAS setup for sale or Trade to CCuff tx X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=KvDHCXpURPCX7NSgFJq_u8wHllovDnv4K3UJOkueW2krSA4emsVIoHctk6bQzg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: > I have a EAS setup for sale. it's a two peice unit. Is this EAS system one of the obsolete EAS systems, or is it IPAWS Compatible? If it is an IPAWS Compatible unit, what is the Make and Model? I got a Buyer. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Sep 07 17:07:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16189 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2012 00:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2012 00:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dub0-omc4-s26.dub0.hotmail.com) (157.55.2.101) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2012 00:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from DUB402-EAS96 ([157.55.2.72]) by dub0-omc4-s26.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:07:42 -0700 X-EIP: [/Qj+am1kDU9+GEdKOkFE2m3E/8y2Lmnc] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 18:07:35 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2012 00:07:42.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[F790A200:01CD8D55] X-Originating-IP: 157.55.2.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} EAS setup for sale or Trade to CCuff tx X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=CTNrfOr9P8CuGI8dxEpdx5wTiQb75v0h8YO28-fgFdDh X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd its obsolete i remember a few part 15 ers were looking for eas for their fl= ea stations. these will still work they are just no longer certified for li= censed stations since they are not cap capable. they will pickup lp1 & 2 ot= a and pass alerts from what understand -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Raper Sent: 7 Sep 2012 23:57:37 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} EAS setup for sale or Trade to CCuff tx On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: > I have a EAS setup for sale. it's a two peice unit. Is this EAS system one of the obsolete EAS systems, or is it IPAWS Compatib= le? If it is an IPAWS Compatible unit, what is the Make and Model? I got a = Buyer. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Sep 08 06:14:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73519 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2012 13:14:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2012 13:14:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-02.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.152) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2012 13:14:22 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20120908081408102415300010> for ; Sat, 08 Sep 2012 08:14:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <504B449A.2010102@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 08:14:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 08:14:08 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM AM Stereo -Nautel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=DycGnSeXZC-0GDm6TDBbgcGDz7Ee1SVjdo3NXAxDQkEK71FqnVEB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 9/7/2012 5:08 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > I know that CFCO has their 10KW Nautel running C-Quam, but I believe you > have to buy a separate CQAUM card from the Nautel "service group" for > the C-Quam carrier, as that the transmitter only has an audio preset for > the C-Quam style audio only; could be wrong, but I remember a guy from > Nautel on the board here mentioning that only the Service Group could > get you the card. > John Likely they've got an older ND-10. This is a whole new series. Scott From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 11:11:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59237 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2012 18:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2012 18:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm15-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.145) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2012 18:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2012 18:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.168] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2012 18:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2012 18:11:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 742508.9324.bm@omp1024.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 30277 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2012 18:11:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: C22CdesVM1lSNRz1rt90H.1FB4Me7viM_Un1QkG36jxgJyu 3ILcHLJUo5KOzd2B6OPMAMF0Fq84oDrQ5nbn3V7b9kuKua7MlaQvkuwAzT9L 01WOIrbYLMR1PEGaeepxzcXvB2nRRZ3Pq17NN1V72Vo9aiBN1ULjjFzDaAWI mpUoBzTUEzR8zr8zaeaIUd52XfT.oHzC1VF7T_VqT.CkvgDEErrJ3htWOZ2j OtkOm0HOlEKF4c5lHSFbTegqF.EgyHG5ArBbJILplQvxTuGX0eGegDdpyTJx 36PC2oa9mt3pJPuCF_deN_Wrdl8W7e_yRMT6CLBN4mzvzbRTPdbessFxGyCB 3XgbrBxfUSMUCZOAu8oR22pBiCrIp44dUd2wGGk87BYKROn3_zhU8X6YkyWz qjjiC7je_yFgjKdG3CUEdYA9UeHS11Ni_D2kqOdhISop94kj5sNdha9Zllmy IQ96r3P2BtTyyTVt022luARDp X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web125508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:11:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 Message-ID: <1347300665.30016.YahooMailNeo@web125508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:11:05 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Reply-To: John Subject: Sony ST-JX220 Upgrade? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=rPJABHP-cZHToSnKs0BmULpw34s0lDNyMa7F7zkb6iJ4T024voIkVs8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question 1: I assume that the Sony ST-JX220 tuner does NOT have AM stereo= =A0unless it has an "A" suffix? Question 2: Is the bandwidth decent in the ST-JX220 to make it workwhile ad= ding a C-QUAM board to it? Question 3: Is the circuit board such that you could add the parts for ster= eo? 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=oiKg6A5280PuWYmCtcZqWBVp4gad-Ji0CGglRqR8fXjM7Ztk X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 10 Sep 2012 22:21:11 -0000 ok. Neto Silva Brasilia - Brasil ________________________________ De: amstereofan Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 31 de Agosto de 2012 11:44 Assunto: {AMSF} am stereo files list - where has it gone to ? =20 I guess this still exists ? I created the page below many years back which includes links to some of my= recordings but all files are not found now of course so would like to upda= te this if possible http://www.geocities.ws/dave_m1ctk/downloads.htm ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Sep 17 17:31:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19227 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2012 00:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2012 00:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2012 00:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BC86338000354 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:31:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.9]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 55BDAE00009A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <33dfc.577c03b7.3d891ad9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:31:21 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434887392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c5057c0d9536c X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=y412emqv8AeH8LCORYB7IEVRNZ3JMfMmFU0auTDu_7HhSAxzYo23 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I found an interesting page with some info on France Bleu. The writing is in French but they do have some pictures of the transmitter site outside of Paris. The transmission power is 300kw and they use 2 towers each 75 meters tall. http://tvignaud.pagesperso-orange.fr/am/rbleue/rbleue.htm The page also has a couple of AM Stereo airchecks of France Bleu using a Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo radio, although the recordings are very low bitrate and don't sound all that great. Apparently they are the only AM Stereo station in France. France Bleu is a regional station from the French public service: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Bleu 73 - Todd WD4NGG From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Sep 17 22:44:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31463 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2012 05:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2012 05:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.35) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2012 05:44:22 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.231] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 05:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.135] by tm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 05:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 05:44:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 537623.869.bm@omp1040.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 82698 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2012 05:44:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QAVfQIwVM1k4RiVHclJYu1ZZn3kQUfF5CsWBgzyEgqtI7Ac l5I.PELPmo42mdcHagLIY.CFwpY5WfRtGdZC8cUeo6SlFhuXcYkfPYCIc2lc ldgPYx_XfzvT6jigyEnmpNnKA_GjemvbPKNmhJu_xI9AEs47WVtvqE48HhOo hYOWSyVq4RpIgkMIWnGN6Am8.qkRSAH876Wp1vbs4exXxCY6sZge55rEYWWv eiCqkYBoX285KsXlELtG58QMyU5I_J0dhMVQXgNXbMj3o7X5y1D8ja6.wYtq gtAMoC8gBm2bcqrmurhBffMFSW3MpI8F9TDjUe5blLG_bzmB_Gl5rE4WlPdd Euznd6o4rbQlW8ATBG8HNcwtbtGZwMQPyoExWuiJkOGG0VK47Khn2uVJ8axJ snFgU5pcQRCXz4BD6mRK6hr2_8GGi_eEOmYtl6tIXt3PjUiCKlv_q6mwwr7w hX9zd7iHETcyKuRJqnYvz9BMvZ02C.tzOzj1SXIHc_41vl6dYjA_.2B2WntU Azgq80uRtNfmX3PEJIlauxPWUR4Ps3NLTnj10Eu_Oreqbic7KFjZOY58PhRB b3Tf8wQZMm_FjE8CjRNR3LDdb5oIy3vuNeGwGkUelFFgXoAfL_bhBTQgJOnI iRB4WVtzDSmgNpB.fVQC7gckg4XXAaFbo7x8WqDvNjXQEBiksC1iRmltGllL Wknb4zwNULfOTgc_FLXO8rc3REfxrdSoYNWKCT9z0iXsoX9igZP1wg.77qRf q9I6vrqQQ9h5e8JxKOQNfNABlmt45vyLVitvaK5fNOykbpTvLKL4FGERlkKM n_nJVWbfuqlWpdgGOra_C7X8dRvcTHXPdzx_NQHoMj5k41rXAIKds0B3JFzg GzbK_nWr9CzBbgf6xcVryaEDZFzM4pmitPnjj57qR1_K9h2C.dYhpeevosnP g1aO9hHxx3TzjJMtv9HKJgMz7gSQTCjvzAW2aFjuhBzfVNQQu6S.OYSS.t_u rz3U3ff3_Q8LPR2Ye8zKoAail6HT.JebVqbMP.GaVtW0pqMfKWIk0bBWHbo9 YIOOkSKnMQWQLYReTQaWay1uTKPPV4BE4NJPnzvSn.tATdhiwQ4J1UPtHgdy XeUdZo.6uHLlrOCd7HgCrzR5UOEzbc2wIzck2UuZf8T_zyQhoS4wGd9En7Mv xrO8PifFsglR0P5l2riRurgJo5pBXZFCJIO_opEloRLrE2TlDR_fd9Pz7hkZ QSOyCtsPm88DmJ8GwDJaqwHiafYPLTxdunc3VNXU7.28II.rfyQNSyLgvjKF 4iS6nwXl4yEyowIrscGa1xriMHB49UA.a7ChNC.YbWV1wc7wETn534E_SLEQ AZlgqSha0ZJjYcrWuwkS2pSFGHKAZoaEPz0ggWC0bRfDaTW1Q8Dk13lkDCIM YFXOUooq7dUHormVnBpqPFPbeIf3txa8SiTbsG3B5RyWdaBt54nNSd_oxzdF feRrvQB3soq0lRsZEb2E_TSGLWQ8U9PiZx8VJDXhB692It0GbStqcqyFNXBJ 2v7Y0XAsjJykZOyKnpqKH3I2wphrbgHk7Qlrx6pzeNJXBdv2pPg58xPMVGvD qXCMw13St7SYWnedateyjBoZr4J2ayqqZ5usF1M7RgJsQ50JL5iDYR3p_d4c 3qQw_MfhH98j70Zod6az5SeAK37_Ethd7gNE2Z48Xhx7HQhmO35iIDZ.DGcS Xb0UN99PRMe5b1NHEzD3IGSqWZeA6Pf9Ia0YHg_KQWbxlWlZWDJHVhS5Hu5V AuDY3mQJ_vSxeuOHLAZ1eHH6PQPwCBd.Ap4bdh4faiKYNlB7QfV9jT84J_AY yfjux9wjPM0_3KtGgc_rxanbjMDX7C_fNcLqNCfzJfH8YKmG0mMBFzoDhidU _MRsQkJTbYpXDBSWzUITfAdsKKBRZuG3kw4MZAW1vAh0k8h3OTlg3tIQ- X-Received: from [46.195.23.194] by web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:44:20 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <33dfc.577c03b7.3d891ad9@aol.com> Message-ID: <1347947060.82665.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:44:20 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <33dfc.577c03b7.3d891ad9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=ZVg7BAS0KV6kZEI09pSSrvyNaSGR842SRjIlN_tIMnnITuo X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lot of low power am stereo pirates in europe, here ,there, everywhere. A report from Australia testing dab+ and ams in 15 kHz and AMS was best. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: tisdag, 18 september 2012 2:31 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> =C2=A0=20 Hi All, I found an interesting page with some info on France Bleu. The writing is in French but they do have some pictures of the transmitter site outside of Paris. The transmission power is 300kw and they use 2 towers each 75 meters tall. http://tvignaud.pagesperso-orange.fr/am/rbleue/rbleue.htm The page also has a couple of AM Stereo airchecks of France Bleu using a=20 Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo radio, although the recordings are very low bitrate and don't=20 sound all that great. Apparently they are the only AM Stereo station in France. France Bleu is a regional station from the French public service:=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Bleu 73 - Todd WD4NGG=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Sep 18 23:29:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 492 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2012 06:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2012 06:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iy0-f169.google.com) (209.85.210.169) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2012 06:28:59 -0000 X-Received: by mail-iy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id y26so471836iab.14 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:28:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.40.163 with SMTP id y3mr1877757igk.32.1348036139305; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:28:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.7.65 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:28:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <33dfc.577c03b7.3d891ad9@aol.com> References: <33dfc.577c03b7.3d891ad9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:28:59 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} France Bleu still in << AM STEREO >> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=SLdcmm92vtEh7ORWs_urul45iydnjL0daz2L8iUDTOynaekm X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good find Todd. On 18 September 2012 08:31, wrote: > ** > > > Hi All, > I found an interesting page with some info on France Bleu. > The writing is in French but they do have some pictures of > the transmitter site outside of Paris. The transmission power > is 300kw and they use 2 towers each 75 meters tall. > > http://tvignaud.pagesperso-orange.fr/am/rbleue/rbleue.htm > > The page also has a couple of AM Stereo airchecks of France Bleu using a > Sony SRF-42 > AM Stereo radio, although the recordings are very low bitrate and don't > sound all that great. > > Apparently they are the only AM Stereo station in France. > > France Bleu is a regional station from the French public service: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Bleu > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 11:04:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5547 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2012 18:04:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2012 18:04:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm33-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.229.70) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2012 18:04:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2012 18:04:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.234] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2012 18:04:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2012 18:04:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 366512.46935.bm@omp1034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 68877 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Sep 2012 18:04:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XQxbaCYVM1lK..NL9V1ZzaTIjZveMfB0Z0tjGQ.hZS9xaPI UNVf7BqyJ7VDXWAw5e9lcE44r4u2mEAQiRcclOYo_Cc.vmvFLoln0pswACun qGkv4EGVHH5VfdU8nbNrnvrCi9hI5EJmTgyHutBcmgJR.oHNX_xdzkqYn1Rz Lscea_9ktRpoQFjD2oUbR_B46qiFRITNqrX_3l5FTL8jtxgRMcPjbetgAk5m I8qOya2d8ZWwAILZXWHEMmithc2R58mN2IofKRwnJiy_haUWAIpRyVerB7y8 mO1B67bjIu01vZCD7ChLRAcZb5GCimcet3wgMkyYyXHwUxoJ_LCf6vai1K9J nSpvAtjLY5VWLKlDP7EXaC1c521EBJeT2Pk50C9xrjWYBAk8NWfNn4Jh7E4C Ea7bVONRuJZeDIVCpQHeRFNlorRGJYMDYxSclJjKRKTyiSpRa_bHsfCmpu9E 1rhi2ZgqZ52ZGZl2YpmwKSvMlHP3Vcw7ERgEbMPwwN4IxiBSNrtG4zSCFFE6 VOba44308EwZXOirCoMbV7frhobGbAwCB8ys8bpKPnA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web125510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:04:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 Message-ID: <1348164278.68847.YahooMailNeo@web125510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:04:38 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Reply-To: John Subject: Sony ST-JX220 for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=UoXkFNCJNbkwsrnWdi1FIVBibqdmjscm6NUOQZz582YL0Na1aoEo-04 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I bought a nice Sony ST-JX220 tuner on the hopes that it was the foreign mo= del with AM stereo, but it is not.=A0 It is a decent tuner with FM stereo a= nd AM mono, and appears to have some sort of a PLL "tune" indicator on both= bands.=A0 All buttons work, audio is good, display has a nice blue-green g= low, similiar to the old tuning eye tube color. If anyone is interested in purchasing this tuner from me, please send me a = private email with your offer, plus probably about $15 required for shippin= g, depending on your location, so shoot me your ZipCode so I can give you a= shipping cost in addition to your offer on the tuner.=A0 I'm assuming this= would make a good AM stereo conversion project if you've got the schematic= or service manual. Thanks, John=A0=A0=20 PM to:=20 toledohamradio aT yAhoo dOt cOm =A0 Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 05:50:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96833 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2012 12:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2012 12:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm5-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.135) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2012 12:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2012 12:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.166] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2012 12:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1067.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2012 12:50:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 849265.87127.bm@omp1067.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 77959 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2012 12:50:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i2xVXnsVM1nqHxFBo0p08KXO5z3LDHpLIY.4NQ6Pn_NkjPq TR9OPiR0EpNSzaNUIN0n9xg4BQKAM5WOl.7Tqx5Z86WPIKQcYYwrMiNRka7F DIB1WQE2spoIO8AlWxB48GVpRUIbp9a_7gwIGYQDdCNzAhintR67t38OCC3F Zh2zyidjVFpOl9EYm1jaB9uxUtCFky59N9MLhD75DwXemWtmJ73XJVizZ0yb 7NcrQEcD8LmW7enTjvO8TQYYwu8lZzmqT1U7CQpfA4vy8.iP.9U7Tq3qrcbQ mWsDe0O2LZiaYTrYUgR1SQfw9LkX0zo52kTi4itAdnWP.wa7Ub6Z.WBvMFqL HDBlX7ph4jzRMfaXb8E33VjcrnO65WWevo6rxTtbnHO_JcEkeVDIzRqPlnpU QnnCKLEIvL.inSsFls2YWKInAiKX47Y1kGMroYAK8mu0Gm8y0UnXCg0LnBy. cU3eT4uFkBbh.6GnNJ4sOvZYb_Q-- X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 05:50:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 Message-ID: <1348231845.77603.YahooMailClassic@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 05:50:45 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: KDTH/1370 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=p7nctVOfYnH49AYIdEufu4qVu7cJ8c2fRjsfheRQ5lKiLIOqapBp X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric, N0UIH, reports that KDTH/1370-Dubuque, Ia. is indeed A.M. stereo.=A0 = Format is listed as full service. =A0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Fri Sep 21 22:26:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18345 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2012 05:26:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2012 05:26:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mailout-us.gmx.com) (74.208.5.67) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2012 05:26:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1566 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2012 05:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from 71.185.155.18 by rms-us004 with HTTP Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 01:26:42 -0400 Message-ID: <20120922052642.181030@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com,"AMSF" X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: RSkvcNMn3zOlOgRR5nAh5hJ+IGRvb0DF X-Originating-IP: 74.208.5.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KDTH/1370 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=6tdN_EXiTn1fUhOeMph8G9eSDOksd4vtkpJV06imUL4k5e5bshso X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good to hear, in more ways than one! 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Sat Sep 22 05:32:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57728 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2012 12:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2012 12:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.243) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2012 12:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2012 12:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2012 12:32:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 12:32:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 189.27.8.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 189.27.8.220 From: "bigsatbsb" Subject: Friends a force for STEREO AM Brazil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=iVB2cOSD37YWpYszPpqr50YgBU1yrm4AyCZJI9JOMRv4lK7q X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Friends a force for STEREO AM Brazil http://www.facebook.com/pages/AM-Stereo-Brasil/323576051074082 Neto Silva Brasilia DF Brasil From radio774@yahoo.se Sat Sep 22 08:25:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71598 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2012 15:25:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2012 15:25:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm24-vm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (212.82.109.198) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2012 15:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.54] by nm24.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2012 15:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.243] by tm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2012 15:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2012 15:25:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 409431.96564.bm@omp1008.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 43997 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Sep 2012 15:25:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: T07IQ_oVM1kQcZJcBVeCCxgiak2r4Hq39drto0mrtL7Ufy0 9.jchMcFvnmI10ZrILYObNjrDC66TBEy9IUJ2c6qet1f6rS87uUCQ3H._g3h MLT6tNoj_FWX0P5MF4JF0XCjhwQkEXxGrpyDOQkdCdR_QIic91M4vYSP.rXe XsckyeIc17j4hlLjaMAoqmOZ8VdmVOLQ55GMXZMIkFBQogdLdnmo7u_QIkC5 SRonXuFeWYBii.bqh4ZtBw3Zwyt9AGqgz_xMvIFLCkm8gCCJBZYDagTgECqL FvCtApadxNfPc4.4A7hTSRvEjXU1adfTJn2Cf9u7j8pJCnHKa08oiWxuHa62 Y5aDWEtTIlxS.5J.2Ye3Pj8HIL4J_vdIAxB9IPb7FIxTzBJJlXJAFAgKe2u2 Z88kIKZs6AppL9Wr1yw1BwSKz8bWW9jwRIY5tu1XxeDzDDq1tBxJiV4q0zrj m6NIdGs5RaoNTdOf2N.8Vn7gi4fNJYRk2_g19t9efXEpy32xd2B1OYULv9X. 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Stereo Only" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WION/1430 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=-oCCg3S5nY7ZQEzquIlBSLzvziYk13CSZeU4MrVcTEZMClftZH6r X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone on Wikipedia said that WION/1430 in Michigan is A.M. stereo.=A0 Can= anyone confirm this?=A0 Their website says their xmtr. is a BE6A & is ster= eo-ready.=A0 So, there may be something to this!=A0 It would be great to li= ght up 1430 again as the 50th frequency with an A.M. stereo station (curren= tly there are 76 stations on Meduci in the U.S. in stereo on 49 frequencies= .=A0 1370 was the 49th with the addition of KDTH.). =A0 Thanks, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Mon Sep 24 04:58:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58168 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2012 11:58:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2012 11:58:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.216) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2012 11:58:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 11:58:17 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.22.37] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 11:58:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1067.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 11:58:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 151954.26268.bm@omp1067.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 42949 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2012 11:58:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iRCcemQVM1k.3a.DpKvk7y5RMVLgg7O.AkqLJJ0bjyQ2.1T EGp451rTL8v6URtaD_IJVZ.AEgqITQi5rFynuLkR.0fsWKN948alO0hk0C3e O4iCXChr7ttfcBUuEAe52JHYowXOwaPZhJopGWOXKIdkCOmFku8Ml7NwV6Wq N917O7ktz9XMteNuw9G08Ek76RW6dnK.Z3oquFqowloHPfcNnzIdeg.nj57D F3KcoFnYzB7irVHD5K04I.jjB_ouD5sUR6Gz1O76VZUlAUYUdC.0ZXWQiw8S TX.EJI0Q128B86HHHZdYMytKdBLjY82PCN44FrmWbboW07VmSCrOQAV_QiuK 8_OhbG8zzjpKe09PDmYfNW.s0js9IKuALI0qxapjh2V.gLas9Bh4kYO2fKH8 NmMIvgm7cP87hzRInWaG5kCrdde5JQvh96V904LsLOHQLNQjylJ96AvryvgG qGfd5tuf3kKgaWH5Q33K8N6N1XBfmLOhjIazABsVlh5njLuo7lef.VB7q85x 676WTaBsE5jIpCb9jRgShcGH2ggvltAyMiKMajKzfV8GYRrKdgY_XfQKZ2kD J7mu8FLoqFpPsA.b4sGyQ.6saCRiVfF8Vw9setTUGAwMVPzQkivZ1o2G7830 Z.DyXbcBG8QfJYxEKhjNfknsUL7Pvfxc0WGGPxfE7jUcxGo9ppoU0z2WFZRG DUPEsFHhO13lgsVXYt_VLTjbs39HYOE6Gt0KKAyslOaT6SV5cUTGE5HONewF In1CBt.m2RWgzLiu8PAhsqYoVQmiB0YQ6QSNaWK2m3tKAyCHpw6iYS4LzqTu 1zfX_gMjAfXQKNSjfLTWDa5G55r87rrX3zzinoFJ2xfGfeDJSKuIxQxV.kxA b6XLXAABXFkbSg4aC1QqWAm4Kro.8jUwe1GlBTNZs6O7p7yhoorrlb9jqcwI yCuKi3aiXYTIuHnyo7sjJ4fx63OlMqaHUtbC9GOScYioxfmoUCtd2Nndw6I4 LG2upv9Iq11R5uX5W0i8jyMdvJtDTK0LdPeoKudnDdvRy4g-- X-Received: from [186.213.217.189] by web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 04:58:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.434 References: <1348327511.12498.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1348487896.42026.YahooMailNeo@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 04:58:16 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <1348327511.12498.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Friends a force for STEREO AM Brazil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=Xmkogwhu_6vXJcgF_PgksvAqr49FTTNFidCNLY5d6nLrKIO- X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Universidade RS 1080 kHZ 10 kW Neto Silva Brasilia /Brasil ________________________________ De: Roy Sandgren Para: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 Enviadas: S=E1bado, 22 de Setembro de 2012 12:25 Assunto: SV: {AMSF} Friends a force for STEREO AM Brazil =20 Any AMS stations in Brazil??? =A0 Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=E5n: bigsatbsb Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: l=F6rdag, 22 september 2012 14:32 =C4mne: {AMSF} Friends a force for STEREO AM Brazil =A0=20 Friends a force for STEREO AM Brazil http://www.facebook.com/pages/AM-Stereo-Brasil/323576051074082 Neto Silva Brasilia DF Brasil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 04:00:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4964 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2012 11:00:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2012 11:00:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2012 11:00:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 11:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 11:00:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:00:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1348480868.89069.YahooMailClassic@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.225.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.225.156 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: WION/1430 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ZBBQPnmsEjn5ObvGCbOqir4iIel0HpDCVan7P4plF14 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Accoridng to their website "AM Project" page they indeed are an AM STEREO s= tation!=20 http://www.i1430.com/WIONSIGNALPROJECT.htm=20 They do mention it and they even referring to the HD radios capability of d= ecoding AM STEREO CQUAM signals as theirs!!! They also suggest that since m= ost HD AM radios are not so hi-fi when decoding analog AM Stereo there is a= lso possible their listeners to have a much better fidelity of sound when t= hey will use even an AM mono radio in case they don't own a real AM Cquam r= adio to get them in full stereo fidelity!!=20 So I assume they do broadcast in FULL AM STEREO and they seem to be proud a= bout it!!!=20 Good for mention it so clearly!!!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Someone on Wikipedia said that WION/1430 in Michigan is A.M. stereo.=A0 C= an anyone confirm this?=A0 Their website says their xmtr. is a BE6A & is st= ereo-ready.=A0 So, there may be something to this!=A0 It would be great to = light up 1430 again as the 50th frequency with an A.M. stereo station (curr= ently there are 76 stations on Meduci in the U.S. in stereo on 49 frequenci= es.=A0 1370 was the 49th with the addition of KDTH.). > =A0 > Thanks, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 05:18:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33764 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2012 12:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2012 12:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2012 12:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 12:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 12:18:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:17:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1348480868.89069.YahooMailClassic@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: WION/1430 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ke6t_UU_E3PuaxKSjtpt2OwTZMExn8OtdKdCB9AZyOd86WSX7PEceNs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A station up by Saginaw/Bay City Michigan turned on AM stereo in the last 1= 2 months, but I don't think that was the call letters? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Someone on Wikipedia said that WION/1430 in Michigan is A.M. stereo.=A0 C= an anyone confirm this?=A0 Their website says their xmtr. is a BE6A & is st= ereo-ready.=A0 So, there may be something to this!=A0 It would be great to = light up 1430 again as the 50th frequency with an A.M. stereo station (curr= ently there are 76 stations on Meduci in the U.S. in stereo on 49 frequenci= es.=A0 1370 was the 49th with the addition of KDTH.). > =A0 > Thanks, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From radio774@yahoo.se Tue Sep 25 06:54:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29692 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2012 13:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2012 13:54:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (212.82.108.205) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2012 13:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.233] by nm21.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 13:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.250] by tm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 13:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 13:54:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 181371.77245.bm@omp1015.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20611 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2012 13:54:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PPgxzR4VM1nUqaaPPA_2wYVwGZU5LLcIiIyVr1X90UywvFh 517PtxD4E7cvZfLUm62buaO6ay3xtnVbp5iTHN214Z4Nzb3vL6p6RqFu8jIp 05yhE4Vphd692_PLpUVdzbmzTjar2JG4QpHt4vAyN31HPXcNtMnJ3o1ueq.x 5IxzglHgywRh1Hjq_DVawf55JEhr5xxWNbjHxOoQwFwehkzUmYcUckAyBK.e kKQ72qtBlp_Skc9RxRZdm2zXTqD19BaJdN1QT943HlO.zE3Ygd9rMvei.WsC SdRnEm0sjEeMkIAHREF59CZw01hf9KHgLMWUosmnOPWuyWLb0mn8iHDMc.GC vAqPGIlbel2mnD68jszeqzlc2q7cFz9xi9mJhFl0hkhcUI01TTTNboqD17YL 1IPz.MJezEo6Z.bYKmLtzyhvV6ctb0b9UmiOPQfREhE4BosniHcesmrluUim trf3whSqxV7.KwT1fkP9BnvXupr.Tuum5DxSlcxo2Elfq5iXjSbnkiQv4cZc EoHyLWd4hXOusJ3sN4DjSv6eARYNq8e4L9fLHezf1cwwOnyXidN3OREhXgiM EhKjZWkKSfPLWL1uFt.vXrIy.9VkZFkbMLoNML.3Eu4Sa9XhGCyeQIO2_LLB Mq4s.7K406N2p7YKeZOnZKP_7lpVzTclnuz6mNUw98cCCwamZFUpPnG5k.No Spz_16mkQHcx9YmkbsAJYQHEaNZHM.1SzHCRa1uRJZfJ8nGp0RgJgNzYUyQu UgB1kI81E2I965dGAjp14o7Ot_3vcR_xT9plSWjF2bMZcnCIVmIdFYgphwt9 pHWxKFvYil_zQ8yUQk0ayzD1vupHhGQQN3sTB0F0kWFb5rkTp.D8jicc8K1e 2.2bx8iw4CwA99VkFmKZGHhLoxbsyLX6YMk3Yd95WYgHukYNSbMflghaOB10 G95ufENne.UrQaVnkXJPG9S7fqBjYGEsOeTGa6DcrHrQYk5Kyv_NT1WVQdtJ 8GtD8v3huUDbgivEwkxc4kVg69VGMZqEMB3KbFZzU0QZbDGz2ZliLOZQbLlP wHetofzE3Z_9XWzSvKTwKGFAAsykX97_YcbSmxLywdBYxkHa3DuYUs.qPzPI 22T8sHYHFJeVtLjv87_ZwQSTfTioZWy1Qet99_Ym9S7s9x1iZfjGagcDcUZm vYtCobCAHA9gCn4hwh.SVesCLWJFuCBGKAlTg.nWbL9YH7U77augyQK.ky1l aoIIjFh05TKgfA2iGKMsIuclyra1ODXgsckw9eaKM11Ci8bzKC.DLgKuMg2k RDiTxm_LH2qLYWMzlCY3pbPHH_40y14OIxVSQdx7ZVgBzuZlT4oXVbXsQSEz HGb0IvCN6G3EfGDjF7dgewZCPV38wcCJBYVU9GXqiq7oPXqCVo.HfAcjgmKx K92bBcWXnoY8CpjGg2mRlfy2xzov6atEs9pCQ1ww9iAj2P5ViCBIFlQLRLYq PjMiqcPoU2r4Qy01px0piOA3BYOfEkwIL20ULfYzrOhEh6.O7wRpNKInIjmM G9i5dyBLdxaMTQHR9vgNMunGk4RmSswtpisFzKAZPpEW.BzZawKXF0lLFLLp mT7LgNhaBx4M_e6B6HC5prW0VCOezz1esReB2leQ7A26DqxdMv9j18P_NyQj gx562tnNl6zSYD4XrWK7AjTa.Vwon0XIQlVFCV.V4nzMFNCmoHzjAcOtoz5y ir63_4ySZiQFUpX2id7A2sgyOeEZEzRABCiwv.dlz81BCkgE4.eH0izSlXBm 64Gu0nAxNI2kLyza5mayHxQBnS34zcmibKnNQyMlbNrUg4cxBvWI0oQKnXoV h4eQGJ7.0abAEixjIRzo1Jppf3ab0aEZM2.cyPiYE3xSDihZdP3aDFDA- X-Received: from [46.195.186.181] by web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:54:28 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.434 References: <1348480868.89069.YahooMailClassic@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1348581268.8638.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:54:28 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 212.82.108.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: WION/1430 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=RGqezvkRDkU3tFoJPo7i0jsVoTWW08bCRDUtuLMBN5BZnMo X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got a sangean DPR 45 on tests, It has am 522- 1710 kHz=C2=A0in Australian m= ode, FM and band lll=C2=A0 174 -238 MHz =3D dab+. Weak FM and ZERO dab+ even if I'm 2 -3 km from TX. Intend to implement an ams 15 kHz decoder to tests in the 611- 1710 kHz ban= d, 9kHz spacing. Ters tx of 100mW. Anyone with experience of this reciver, the AM/FM says that it is the C Cra= ne version?? A new sample comming from factory soon, hope better am fm and dab+. =C2=A0 Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: tisdag, 25 september 2012 14:17 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Re: WION/1430 =C2=A0=20 A station up by Saginaw/Bay City Michigan turned on AM stereo in the last 1= 2 months, but I don't think that was the call letters? --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote= : > > Someone on Wikipedia said that WION/1430 in Michigan is A.M. stereo.=C2= =A0 Can anyone confirm this?=C2=A0 Their website says their xmtr. is a BE6A= & is stereo-ready.=C2=A0 So, there may be something to this!=C2=A0 It woul= d be great to light up 1430 again as the 50th frequency with an A.M. stereo= station (currently there are 76 stations on Meduci in the U.S. in stereo o= n 49 frequencies.=C2=A0 1370 was the 49th with the addition of KDTH.). > =C2=A0 > Thanks, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From boogie350@yahoo.com Fri Sep 28 18:17:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51911 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2012 01:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2012 01:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.44) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2012 01:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2012 01:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.244] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2012 01:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2012 01:17:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 192440.76515.bm@omp1058.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 25107 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2012 01:17:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ibFlQa4VM1ndGltZ8glvaeYclX.cQ5tnZ6OG2A5b3SrXHit RkoODyRFVXqlQNWZh5MvIuij0e2YFQHm23S_a4CqKBcFeguYb1k4gK3hDu_L uVKbSE_fed9.yp9qqae_GrPuB4sslTxt39f4kRPwlYJdLQDnwWlq.I8qwuvm F32XhxoaOo5Uo80bED7y9.1Vi3tNPH3HWra8EgQvnHpM4Qp8KXPmW936iFIf I0tLc1zBanXPGSS3_vZ9Rh_uzKLd6u5krhIcPElPKa0mMXZGDH16XWZPdQ4Y lHaXpc6A.tOYLWwOi7Og__QcMbU4oc.eT1oHPoUkwjcw.osqwRvR037fYikO ff7uwaC3s66Q6sop2xoyuxFBgVd9cP.K2mFDtvU1WDF174iAIhDh1.FTybwA i8FHa4b2xhKQ7Nk0cfsSGBuXvIDMirVRUgAhuPHYNgq2h9JRpory8rbu80d6 Wn2ZLAU1ihRihR7er2n49q24Wfypx5k49E0wVjuJbIQV6 X-Received: from [24.11.64.87] by web121102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:17:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.434 Message-ID: <1348881457.93920.YahooMailClassic@web121102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:17:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: WION/1430 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=1gsMeGTmNda2ptnnMQ-m2mC9Gye1EhLEOYAHnZ0LsFs_Z0GD X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The other station is in Owosso, MI, between Flint and Lansing, on 1080 kHz. It is WOAP, a 1kW non-directional daytimer, but that 1kW sure has a large footprint as the ground conductivity there is pretty good compared to the northern and western parts of the state. North of West Branch and points west of about Grand Rapids are mostly sand and the groundwave propogation is horrible. Even WTCM in Traverse City, with 50kW on 580 kHz suffers badly because of this. Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 05 04:40:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67520 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2012 11:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2012 11:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.148) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2012 11:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2012 11:40:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2012 11:40:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 11:40:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 71.229.186.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.229.186.25 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: NLPBA Membership X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=SQSdRBBnHwqR0n_Th8C_e0_FjYZp3xYcfTwr6Av4MgBe X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd A new organization is being developed to provide a voice and presence with = the FCC and congress to bring about changes to the existing Part 15 rules, = specifically addressing low power broadcasting. Membership is open to anyone. The organization needs open minded people who= have experience in the technical and administrative levels of broadcasting= , creating well prepared proposals to the FCC, and speak for low power broa= dcasters, including LPFM's (Low Power FM stations). To join, simply post within this thread by providing an email address, your= name and what kind of station you operate, AM, FM, SW, LW, or all 4 types. If you want changes to the current limitations in Part 15, or want a voice = representing LPFM interests, join up! It's free and requires no commitment = other than being dedicated to bring about real changes to the existing Part= 15 rules, and LPFM extreme limitations. Power is in numbers...so join up! If preferred, you can join up by emailing= directly to rockmail@krocksradioone.com and put in the subject line "NLPBA Membership". Welcome to the new National Low Power Broadcasters Association. 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Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: kc8gpd Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 5 oktober 2012 13:40 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} NLPBA Membership =C2=A0=20 A new organization is being developed to provide a voice and presence with = the FCC and congress to bring about changes to the existing Part 15 rules, = specifically addressing low power broadcasting. Membership is open to anyone. The organization needs open minded people who= have experience in the technical and administrative levels of broadcasting= , creating well prepared proposals to the FCC, and speak for low power broa= dcasters, including LPFM's (Low Power FM stations). To join, simply post within this thread by providing an email address, your= name and what kind of station you operate, AM, FM, SW, LW, or all 4 types. If you want changes to the current limitations in Part 15, or want a voice = representing LPFM interests, join up! It's free and requires no commitment = other than being dedicated to bring about real changes to the existing Part= 15 rules, and LPFM extreme limitations. Power is in numbers...so join up! If preferred, you can join up by emailing= directly to mailto:rockmail%40krocksradioone.com and put in the subject line "NLPBA Membership". Welcome to the new National Low Power Broadcasters Association. RFB - Founder http://krocksradioone.com/forum/index.php?board=3D47.0=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 05 05:40:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52334 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2012 12:40:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2012 12:40:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.164) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2012 12:40:00 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP147 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 5 Oct 2012 05:39:59 -0700 X-EIP: [MO5VyqTFatgPYJFm2gUFoGJ8bpqc7Crh] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP147.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 5 Oct 2012 05:39:58 -0700 To: References: <1349440103.71214.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 06:39:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2012 12:39:58.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[87D8CF80:01CDA2F6] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} NLPBA Membership X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Bvr1g-dYHlTbB8Y8DJZRSpwJqGlStjseGPrZm9T8fA71 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd these are the type of things to be discussed in the association meetings.=20 consider joining. just because you are out of country doesn't mean you can't join and=20 contribute. everyone is welcome. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Roy Sandgren" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:28 AM Subject: SV: {AMSF} NLPBA Membership 1 watt in down towns and 20 watt in rural areas and in the wilderness=20 100watt will be great for lp15. Bests from Roy Sandgren HASDA-EUROPE AM/FM/DABPLUS Car Radio Fr=C3=A5n: kc8gpd Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Skickat: fredag, 5 oktober 2012 13:40 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} NLPBA Membership A new organization is being developed to provide a voice and presence with= =20 the FCC and congress to bring about changes to the existing Part 15 rules,= =20 specifically addressing low power broadcasting. Membership is open to anyone. The organization needs open minded people who= =20 have experience in the technical and administrative levels of broadcasting,= =20 creating well prepared proposals to the FCC, and speak for low power=20 broadcasters, including LPFM's (Low Power FM stations). To join, simply post within this thread by providing an email address, your= =20 name and what kind of station you operate, AM, FM, SW, LW, or all 4 types. If you want changes to the current limitations in Part 15, or want a voice= =20 representing LPFM interests, join up! It's free and requires no commitment= =20 other than being dedicated to bring about real changes to the existing Part= =20 15 rules, and LPFM extreme limitations. Power is in numbers...so join up! If preferred, you can join up by emailing= =20 directly to mailto:rockmail%40krocksradioone.com and put in the subject line "NLPBA Membership". Welcome to the new National Low Power Broadcasters Association. RFB - Founder http://krocksradioone.com/forum/index.php?board=3D47.0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Oct 07 10:17:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57962 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2012 17:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2012 17:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wi0-f172.google.com) (209.85.212.172) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2012 17:17:32 -0000 X-Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hq12so2285969wib.13 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:17:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.91.71 with SMTP id cc7mr15831579wib.2.1349630251142; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.23.2 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:17:31 -0400 Message-ID: To: decalcomania , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, The Alternate Frequency X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: For Anyone Who Appreciates Radio Jingles..one from an AM Stereo Station! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=tfQ24hs0MFS-HL7l71x864s5rsEHiT4g6dOCJjcmuGhXLetfakmemhAi X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As anyone who knows me.. knows I love small town radio and jingles. From time to time, I find a small town radio station with some fantastic jingles and I feel like sharing them. here are some recent finds: AM 1150 WLOC Munfordville, KY (North of Glasgow) http://www.onairdj.com/AM1150WLOCMunfordvilleKY_10072012.mp3 Included in that 1 minute and 10 second montage are jingles such as "Serving The Heart of Kentucky", "New Country & The All Time Legends" along with a Sung legal id, "WLOC Mundfordville, Kentucky". AM Stereo 1410 KGRN Grinnell,Iowa http://www.onairdj.com/KGRN1410GRINNELLIOWA.mp3 Included in this 51 second montage is a KGRN News Intro, a short KGRN jingle, a station legal in, a "Voice of East Central Iowa" jingle, a "Powershiek Perimeter" Weather jingle. All were airchecked off the stations stream.. I took a 2 hour+ recording and scoped out just the jingles. Paul Walker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Sun Oct 07 13:39:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73265 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2012 20:39:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2012 20:39:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.71) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2012 20:39:40 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.22.93] by nm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2012 20:39:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.16] by tm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2012 20:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2012 20:39:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 920464.19186.bm@omp1016.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 78247 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2012 20:39:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: R1dH6pgVM1kK4xV6ZmdgGLHamyWfMSHds5drkGuCAjZmJYb RhQbdncLZRxAgLKQK4JfZfvzstL2ZzuQJ3y2RldbAbP83l4.osmWPK38xt3P svmSpB.7ljFHfC6CpRLodgIVa5.AJJJ.QQZzo2uTFGDGjnH2k.KfC2y45PuJ 03q0P4nrX5QyhusKmncSz6bVUUbpcRxKZQWSUeSDLvBYWSgE7I2SF_CZG91V .j6BcoUhq3Z7SNmkhbkgXs7c91Vcl1l0TzUBz9if5qU9sbrBJQuYSQc3DM1H gbGWhlFadxwcShG00PQ2PrM.TKxK8HC3ux30ObpbO6d27r7sONlEBxWRxiO_ DX2KMZj52tUiF7RrIQYAHO_IZvPW1hzEciBFcDXWL_HrsoiKCS06M5ezUzAm LmQjCv39el87tkgx2lGW2.9QSrpOaWvh.12UQukEEX01tES_vvsviDaL00uz vFRKJj.NXNq.qqg8Dl6rQqEDggqSMrN1e3bSOhWjYE08zj_f7YxgrLmvmkHd lRTVBQyGF3iVE6SAMIMDLhFic9SRYmYCGrY5nJn1Gx4MOJw5NkClEYsGjHc6 gwroVTKM5.E0dgeIKZENLdukfJaenWDMTSF3c7xDsT3qLL8KC6Mhc1x3XSqi BbVWiiy_gvZes7EE27VF.suXrwKxEJRyH_1PfKjuCIUgcpgGZq5zNFdLtjkn CyBRYLcY5dkowa0QW8sIxIBX8qr99OpMwAR.wQuGxxNVRLDkjIsaUR6cE.8x VtCzBRAp8dNy8OdlGwzvrutKNGVvhIXrcox.RO_OHN.5Fi6jdKfc2dguKvor ECEsqfi18kUkX321DckC5fyflHBiC8sVKI3DWv_JNYE1r1LLLZ1fiM.B9TaN BC_NroubzAJUKTkn1fRDnul3rajVWfO9_Zjm9vBohlxBKGJIhG13jY1TVt0b FHtXIn1wApWn24BztmchijIPw4PDw.8Sxejp4y2sat4KxYNgkd8XT9SKTwJb 3Og5UjzkOhhVxn11mydYxkJn9WK5UQJCMinp44vku5lY- X-Received: from [201.34.192.223] by web114512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 13:39:39 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,U2hvdywgZ29vZCxJIGxpa2UgamluZ2xlLgoKTmV0byBTaWx2YQpCcmFzaWxpYQpCcmFzaWwKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIERlOiAiUGF1bCBCLiBXYWxrZXIsIEpyLiIgPHdhbGtlcmJyb2FkY2FzdGluZ0BnbWFpbC5jb20.ClBhcmE6IGRlY2FsY29tYW5pYSA8ZGVjYWxjb21hbmlhQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT47IGFtc3RlcmVvZm9ydW1AeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tOyBUaGUgQWx0ZXJuYXRlIEZyZXF1ZW5jeSA8YWZAcmFkaW9saXN0cy5uZXQ.IApFbnZpYWRhczogRG9taW4BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.124.451 References: Message-ID: <1349642379.77946.YahooMailNeo@web114512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:39:39 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Anyone Who Appreciates Radio Jingles..one from an AM Stereo Station! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=lWBb-atWsk_Uuxwlpk9N_ydk2bgkqZHJTEJ6QeYrcgFpmpF0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Show, good,I like jingle. Neto Silva Brasilia Brasil ________________________________ De: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Para: decalcomania ; amstereoforum@yahoogroup= s.com; The Alternate Frequency =20 Enviadas: Domingo, 7 de Outubro de 2012 14:17 Assunto: {AMSF} For Anyone Who Appreciates Radio Jingles..one from an AM St= ereo Station! =20 As anyone who knows me.. knows I love small town radio and jingles. From time to time, I find a small town radio station with some fantastic jingles and I feel like sharing them. here are some recent finds: AM 1150 WLOC Munfordville, KY (North of Glasgow) http://www.onairdj.com/AM1150WLOCMunfordvilleKY_10072012.mp3 Included in that 1 minute and 10 second montage are jingles such as "Serving The Heart of Kentucky", "New Country & The All Time Legends" along with a Sung legal id, "WLOC Mundfordville, Kentucky". AM Stereo 1410 KGRN Grinnell,Iowa http://www.onairdj.com/KGRN1410GRINNELLIOWA.mp3 Included in this 51 second montage is a KGRN News Intro, a short KGRN jingle, a station legal in, a "Voice of East Central Iowa" jingle, a "Powershiek Perimeter" Weather jingle. All were airchecked off the stations stream.. I took a 2 hour+ recording and scoped out just the jingles. Paul Walker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Oct 07 18:24:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96489 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2012 01:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2012 01:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yh0-f42.google.com) (209.85.213.42) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2012 01:24:45 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yh0-f42.google.com with SMTP id o21so809283yho.15 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:24:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.139.29 with SMTP id r29mr4475606ann.60.1349659485140; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y21sm24097928yhl.7.2012.10.07.18.24.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 21:24:25 -0400 Message-Id: <2DA8A507-F236-4761-ABCF-913C49A0E19A@gmail.com> References: To: The Alternate Frequency X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: [AF] For Anyone Who Appreciates Radio Jingles..one from an AM Stereo Station! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=_38Y662H0upru6qpY-TR1apkXQ7OAfieXPp8jFArXtPDVTSivfNlRUFIEmGZHA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > As anyone who knows me.. knows I love small town radio and jingles. I have the Jam Logoset and Jam Positron Jingles from 1440 WQOK that was sucked under by what is now Clear Channel. 1440 WQOK died in 1983. A good Friend of mine, "Brother Bill" was the PD at the end and saved the Jingles. Here is the link to some of them I have on Mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/?8e18ogv6cguw4mk Now, 1440 is WGVL running "Format Of The Month" right now it is LMAed out to a group running ESPN. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Oct 08 08:02:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8168 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2012 15:02:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2012 15:02:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s21.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.223) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2012 15:02:35 -0000 X-Received: from BAY167-W124 ([65.54.190.200]) by bay0-omc4-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 8 Oct 2012 08:01:59 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 15:01:59 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2DA8A507-F236-4761-ABCF-913C49A0E19A@gmail.com> References: ,<2DA8A507-F236-4761-ABCF-913C49A0E19A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2012 15:01:59.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDEA6B60:01CDA565] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: [AF] For Anyone Who Appreciates Radio Jingles..one from an AM Stereo Station! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=qIobUf-d0KqEhmXoy_CUD_7NPNDxdHROdb1PF-U2qtINfSBxIrHxtoOXGPg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Thanksgiving Day to all Canadian AM stereo lovers! Donn Tillman and = btw- Thanks Kevin Rapper for the jingles from 1440 - sadly a former AM ster= eo station.=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mrcarlyle@yahoo.com Tue Oct 09 05:11:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcarlyle@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58639 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2012 12:11:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2012 12:11:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.109) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2012 12:11:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2012 12:11:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2012 12:11:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:11:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1348480868.89069.YahooMailClassic@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 24.247.187.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.247.187.98 From: "JAMES" Subject: Re: WION/1430 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=353429505; y=LelohjCYXX5AoSWRHcXXEkNx0XVG1KTL5nQD7-9E2MBbF4Zg X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcarlyle --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Someone on Wikipedia said that WION/1430 in Michigan is A.M. stereo.=A0 C= an anyone confirm this?=A0 Their website says their xmtr. is a BE6A & is st= ereo-ready.=A0 So, there may be something to this!=A0 It would be great to = light up 1430 again as the 50th frequency with an A.M. stereo station (curr= ently there are 76 stations on Meduci in the U.S. in stereo on 49 frequenci= es.=A0 1370 was the 49th with the addition of KDTH.). > =A0 > Thanks, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > WION is, indeed in AM CQUAM via CRL processors. The backup equipment is mon= o, but main processing is CQUAM. The AM stereo stack is driven first by a s= tereo AGC and two TEXAR Prisms (shared with the FM translator) then branch= ed off via a distribution amp to the FM final processor and the AM final fi= nal separately! The final processor is the CRL SMP-900A. (elusive, not man= y of the "A" units out there! This combination gives a very good sound to = the AM stereo, and improves the mono sound, too! Is it # 50? From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Oct 09 06:07:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9680 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2012 13:07:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2012 13:07:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gg0-f182.google.com) (209.85.161.182) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2012 13:07:13 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gg0-f182.google.com with SMTP id l1so763434ggn.41 for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 06:07:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.150.130 with SMTP id z2mr18956323yhj.115.1349788032787; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 06:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u67sm24809778yhb.8.2012.10.09.06.06.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Oct 2012 06:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:06:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: ,<2DA8A507-F236-4761-ABCF-913C49A0E19A@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [AF] For Anyone Who Appreciates Radio Jingles..one from an AM Stereo Station! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=5r5V8SKCsnIbihWuwIhqKQSIIGJ9Ob0mYHh0-EGcnpj5zbTv9nlVucZ4RAHxaw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Thanks Kevin Rapper for the jingles from 1440 - sadly a former AM stereo station. 1440 WQOK then later WSSL WGVL never was in Stereo. They did have a Killer RF plant that won the Loud Wars of the late 70s and early 80s. At the end, they were on the air with a Gates Executive Board, but Mono Cart machines and played nearly 100% of the Music on Cart. They ran that into an Orban Spring Reverb into an Optimod 9000A. The Transmitter was a Harris Gates BC-5HA. That was the 5 KW transmitter with the 10 KW Modulators that was modified by Leroy Hamilton so it would run "Stupid Asymmetrical" with nearly 200% Positive Peaks!!! The AM Stereo stations in this area were: 570 WWNC Ran C-QUAM until they flipped from Country to Newstalk 660 WESC that ran the Harris System on a Continental 317C3. Rather than Convert the Stereo boxes to C-QUAM compatible, they went back to Mono. 720 WGCR ran C-QUAM AM Stereo until they got their Power Increase. 1070 WHYZ We worked and worked trying to Broadband that Harris VP-50 Transmitter so it would pass the Motorola C-QUAM Signal. 1090 WMTY ran C-QUAM until Wally Milinax sold it. 1110 WBT ran Kahn ISB until way past the time it was legal then flipped to HD-Radio 1330 WFBC Gave up on C-QUAM after a couple of years because it sounded so nasty on their 5KW RCA Amplifuzz. 1350 WGSW Ran C-QUAM on a Collins Power Pebble until the station burned down. Came back as Mono WLMA. 1450 WCRS Ran Kahn ISB with Kahn Audio Processing into an RCA BTA-1S This was the absolute best sounding AM Station I have ever heard. 1490 WPCI Converted the old WESC Harris box to C-QUAM and used CRL AM Processing until they flipped to HD-Radio 1560 WAGL Ran Motorola C-QUAM with a CRL AM-4 Processing chain into a Continental 317C3 Processor. Flipped the Stereo off when the generator became unstable. Everything is still in place. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. 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Neto Silva Brasilia Brasil ________________________________ De: JAMES Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Ter=E7a-feira, 9 de Outubro de 2012 9:11 Assunto: {AMSF} Re: WION/1430 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Someone on Wikipedia said that WION/1430 in Michigan is A.M. stereo.=A0 C= an anyone confirm this?=A0 Their website says their xmtr. is a BE6A & is st= ereo-ready.=A0 So, there may be something to this!=A0 It would be great to = light up 1430 again as the 50th frequency with an A.M. stereo station (curr= ently there are 76 stations on Meduci in the U.S. in stereo on 49 frequenci= es.=A0 1370 was the 49th with the addition of KDTH.). > =A0 > Thanks, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > WION is, indeed in AM CQUAM via CRL processors. The backup equipment is mon= o, but main processing is CQUAM. The AM stereo stack is driven first by a s= tereo=A0 AGC and two TEXAR Prisms (shared with the FM translator) then bran= ched off via a distribution amp to the FM final processor and the AM final = final separately!=A0 The final processor is the CRL SMP-900A. (elusive, not= many of the "A" units out there!=A0 This combination gives a very good sou= nd to the AM stereo, and improves the mono sound, too! Is it # 50? ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=-ksnsy4e2ueDTQ-OazYL1BrBg043L-wFQQ047WkOUvw1m698 X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1450 WCRS Ran Kahn ISB with Kahn Audio Processing into an RCA BTA-1S=20 This was the absolute best sounding AM Station I have ever heard. kevin you have recorded audio of the station above? 73, Neto Silva Brasilia Brasil ________________________________ De: Kevin Raper Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Ter=E7a-feira, 9 de Outubro de 2012 10:06 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} Re: [AF] For Anyone Who Appreciates Radio Jingles..one = from an AM Stereo Station! =20 On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Thanks Kevin Rapper for the jingles from 1440 - sadly a former AM stereo = station.=A0=20 1440 WQOK then later WSSL WGVL never was in Stereo. They did have a Killer = RF plant that won the Loud Wars of the late 70s and early 80s. At the end, they were on the air with a Gates Executive Board, but Mono Car= t machines and played nearly 100% of the Music on Cart. They ran that into = an Orban Spring Reverb into an Optimod 9000A. The Transmitter was a Harris = Gates BC-5HA. That was the 5 KW transmitter with the 10 KW Modulators that = was modified by Leroy Hamilton so it would run "Stupid Asymmetrical" with n= early 200% Positive Peaks!!! The AM Stereo stations in this area were: 570 WWNC Ran C-QUAM until they flipped from Country to Newstalk 660 WESC that ran the Harris System on a Continental 317C3. Rather than Con= vert the Stereo boxes to C-QUAM compatible, they went back to Mono. 720 WGCR ran C-QUAM AM Stereo until they got their Power Increase. 1070 WHYZ We worked and worked trying to Broadband that Harris VP-50 Transm= itter so it would pass the Motorola C-QUAM Signal. 1090 WMTY ran C-QUAM until Wally Milinax sold it. 1110 WBT ran Kahn ISB until way past the time it was legal then flipped to = HD-Radio 1330 WFBC Gave up on C-QUAM after a couple of years because it sounded so n= asty on their 5KW RCA Amplifuzz. 1350 WGSW Ran C-QUAM on a Collins Power Pebble until the station burned dow= n. Came back as Mono WLMA. 1450 WCRS Ran Kahn ISB with Kahn Audio Processing into an RCA BTA-1S This w= as the absolute best sounding AM Station I have ever heard. 1490 WPCI Converted the old WESC Harris box to C-QUAM and used CRL AM Proce= ssing until they flipped to HD-Radio 1560 WAGL Ran Motorola C-QUAM with a CRL AM-4 Processing chain into a Conti= nental 317C3 Processor. Flipped the Stereo off when the generator became un= stable. Everything is still in place. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Oct 10 06:36:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74726 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2012 13:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2012 13:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qa0-f44.google.com) (209.85.216.44) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2012 13:36:57 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 25so4495914qao.10 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.19.68 with SMTP id z4mr40665582qaa.9.1349876216995; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 06:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jt10sm1187856qeb.4.2012.10.10.06.36.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 06:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:36:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1349863012.66426.YahooMailNeo@web114505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: ,<2DA8A507-F236-4761-ABCF-913C49A0E19A@gmail.com> <1349863012.66426.YahooMailNeo@web114505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <24A6217E-7832-42DE-9441-9F4AAAD2B888@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [AF] For Anyone Who Appreciates Radio Jingles..one from an AM Stereo Station! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=_jkExkM3rRzFAAJE31tnT9cxJWFdyAYDeP8QVss83ypwhKMLqatMPWpez1M8jw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:56 AM, Neto Silva wrote: > kevin you have recorded audio of the station (WCRS) above? Unfortunately, the 15" Reels of tape I had rolled on that station, along with most of my Radio related stuff I had collected at the time was destroyed when a Storm took out my House in 1999. :-( Kahn always sold his ISB AM Stereo system and PowerSide as a "Band Aid" for poorly engineered or maintained Radio Stations. Both I and the late Charlie Sparks, the Chief Engineer of WCRS wanted to see just how good we could make ISB Sound on a properly designed and engineered AM. We Broad banded the ATU so the SWR was flat to 30 KHz out on both the Lower and Upper Sidebands, and Broad banded the BTA-!S transmitter so it would pass 17 KHz Audio. (This was before NRSC) The results were astounding. On my Kenwood Car Stereo with Kahn ISB, the AM sounded so much better than the FM. The Format was Big Band and American Standards and when a Stereo song was on, it sounded so rich and deep, and the Stereo sounded 9 Miles wide. The Fm sounded linda Dead and tinny in comparison. Today, WCRS has a Harris Gates 1 Transmitter with that famous "Gates Fuzz" sound and Optimod processing, running a Talk format. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Oct 10 09:15:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69864 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2012 16:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2012 16:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yh0-f42.google.com) (209.85.213.42) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2012 16:15:53 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yh0-f42.google.com with SMTP id o21so174709yho.15 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:15:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.161.165 with SMTP id w25mr23660593yhk.22.1349885753294; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m26sm1531477yhc.17.2012.10.10.09.15.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:15:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1348581268.8638.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1348480868.89069.YahooMailClassic@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1348581268.8638.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <93A40A7E-D33D-478F-BF6B-EC573BE7F2CE@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WION/1430 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=q3x4nUcFw0EwsEaRif__cgy9nltd1uqULsTYqNUyI5ml8aIUHi9pU-OZz6fE_A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Anyone with experience of this reciver, the AM/FM says that it is the C C= rane version?? I have that radio sitting next to my Desk at home. I wrote this about the C= CRadio2 when I first got it, and it is still my Favorite current model mod= ern Radio. I listen to it every day. The C. Crane version has the 2 Meter H= am band in it, instead of DAB+ http://www.thebdr.net/articles/ops/test/CiO-CCRadio2.pdf I still have too much of a warm place in my Heart for my Tube Type Halicraf= ters Radios=85 It would be hard to pick between them, but my S-20R "Sky Cha= mpion" is the one I like to play with most. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Wed Oct 10 10:43:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22846 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2012 17:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2012 17:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.71) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2012 17:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.105.245] by nm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2012 17:43:36 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.123] by tm17.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2012 17:43:36 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2012 17:43:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 700052.43912.bm@omp1032.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 74830 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2012 17:43:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: z_4gGb4VM1neCA_EaQOAiZAw_u2dQTbckoqJ1w6qSVi9jF1 lGacthmx.reFovguJ5b9Z5EGyYwNrc.gWki9lDUPKD2bNQwAgjcopgIHNcPC bucoJkZd28i9gcjDv74oqoXdSNiwIAZ8gIiengtQunJEwqOuAiZedkDwwj.b ly8.qidQB6nC.Q4SwYqc9XOVu1GIEDm9BmG8U2WqiMIqq_5DjgSpZ3z5_xls pIONvJXXavSODmBzLgQrk3Nmt9KPNKt_mZdV797zdBAASm4zFe8DFdhuYEWA O3HrhhIwvhra60fQR7EfX21stUWV69XKIgxxhnzmu8VI8AjokFIVKWM90YqI 2sqrL7Ztm.mCM3997zg618Px7tHmEVPpTJ0WWE8xSlknJ80GQRzoXB51QBj2 Sm_fSzHBS_X09RDbrGbxMhA3yRd9DzfDiS1UK0m2Qmx1OttaDY1t8JRmjozy GpRwMTUitnkrdVr5qz6IWnMm.hH9HXaelEFryF1uP48JA.kO0y_8Wt0qBDyq b1eqanP4VnZw0jrDa5FKEw9ZVG8qW_nNj6.4NGKAO4BeTsDSztB6bXghoDfG yx5SMIRGusLOnpFnDmfT6.MqUQiTRh0TciCV2dUluzdkAmlRA6UacycfwzBX QL2HyOlgrM_ZxIOXBVhi54FHWOzbbjssyKvL5x8bSh4nZIBu9RGCZan6sfOC gmuIJzG7ZSja5benXLVu2DxjvgfyT1.TmXkQ_5Rzg9hYNYgLKtXqCCbZQkAE RPxIMPWMS8tjY8RRgBYw7gUZ16XbWaXW9ZnihNw4K6XTYWkXfHS4R_E7.wTM dGtuf_0YeaxCCPwOHT20.BWoLL6_a_.xu4sVTdIRibEurbtYHYtjhi3t_hWo rXKHp7mPdWBlCTRt3rgqIljV_aICe7Vdb5M7i.fEIJ5zFC0vQN9MADjloPae wjxcYoAzTOnxYBaWfgc3KQG6uo4bmL_3N1lGAoR.Yjf9ZGK8tmDjha.SIwze 0HlUVZrhq0SZwRMt42ox6NyKB.hYYu6.E2dTkZqodzDk- X-Received: from [46.195.157.157] by web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:43:36 BST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,a2V2aW4gb2xkIHBhbCwKwqAKSSBnb3QgYSBEUFIgNDUgb24gdGVzdHMsIGFtLGZtIGRhYisuIE5vIGRhYissIGl0cyBkZWFkLCB3ZWFrIEZNIGFuZCBldmVuIEFNLgpBIG5ldyBzYW1wbGUgY29tbWluZyB0byBtZSBkaXJlY3R5IGZyb20gZmFjdG9yeSBmb3IgdGVzdHMsIGJ1dCBkbyBhbnkgb2YgeW91IGhlcmUgZ290IGEgRFBSIDQ1IGFuZCBoYXZlIHNvbWUgZXhwZXJpZW5jZSBvZiB0aGlzIG1vZGVsLCBzYXlzIGl0J3MgYSBDIENyYW5lIGRlc2lnbiwgRG9uJ3QgYmVsaXZlIGl0ICEhCgpCZXN0cyBmcm9tClIBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.450 References: <1348480868.89069.YahooMailClassic@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1348581268.8638.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <93A40A7E-D33D-478F-BF6B-EC573BE7F2CE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1349891016.63964.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:43:36 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <93A40A7E-D33D-478F-BF6B-EC573BE7F2CE@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: WION/1430 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=-526hNHE3PLOLOOwD9zt24078V5T96rsfjzG5GqjHhymxsM X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable kevin old pal, =C2=A0 I got a DPR 45 on tests, am,fm dab+. No dab+, its dead, weak FM and even AM= . A new sample comming to me directy from factory for tests, but do any of yo= u here got a DPR 45 and have some experience of this model, says it's a C C= rane design, Don't belive it !! Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: onsdag, 10 oktober 2012 18:15 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: WION/1430 On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Anyone with experience of this reciver, the AM/FM says that it is the C C= rane version?? I have that radio sitting next to my Desk at home. I wrote this about the C= CRadio2 when I first got it, and it is still my Favorite current=C2=A0 mode= l modern Radio. I listen to it every day. The C. Crane version has the 2 Me= ter Ham band in it, instead of DAB+ http://www.thebdr.net/articles/ops/test/CiO-CCRadio2.pdf I still have too much of a warm place in my Heart for my Tube Type Halicraf= ters Radios=E2=80=A6 It would be hard to pick between them, but my S-20R "S= ky Champion" is the one I like to play with most. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=kg40fbwHbIEl2yAWEqndX_97Uo9WKY4qXl5x6ktKmkEaDFwE X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin Great Kahn, I'm curious to hear this audio...mas infelizmente a tempe= stade Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: Kevin Raper Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 10 de Outubro de 2012 10:36 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} Re: [AF] For Anyone Who Appreciates Radio Jingles..one = from an AM Stereo Station! =20 On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:56 AM, Neto Silva wrote: > kevin you have recorded audio of the station (WCRS) above? Unfortunately, the 15" Reels of tape I had rolled on that station, along wi= th most of my Radio related stuff I had collected at the time was destroyed= when a Storm took out my House in 1999. :-( Kahn always sold his ISB AM Stereo system and PowerSide as a "Band Aid" for= poorly engineered or maintained Radio Stations. Both I and the late Charli= e Sparks, the Chief Engineer of WCRS wanted to see just how good we could m= ake ISB Sound on a properly designed and engineered AM. We Broad banded the= ATU so the SWR was flat to 30 KHz out on both the Lower and Upper Sideband= s, and Broad banded the BTA-!S transmitter so it would pass 17 KHz Audio. (= This was before NRSC) The results were astounding. On my Kenwood Car Stereo with Kahn ISB, the AM sounded so much better than = the FM. The Format was Big Band and American Standards and when a Stereo so= ng was on, it sounded so rich and deep, and the Stereo sounded 9 Miles wide= . The Fm sounded linda Dead and tinny in comparison. Today, WCRS has a Harris Gates 1 Transmitter with that famous "Gates Fuzz" = sound and Optimod processing, running a Talk format. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@gmail.com Sat Oct 13 12:26:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92402 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2012 19:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2012 19:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2012 19:26:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2012 19:26:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2012 19:26:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:26:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: CD of AM STEREO samples and discussions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=291801476; y=4yMWp8T8m4Cg30dLM8GOp39caF4nJ-i6NkPOpmrqVacUhN5aFw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I am selling a few copies of a CD I made up some years ago. I know this is = an age of downloads etc but hey someone might just like to listen in their = cars etc to this selection, here is the link anyway=20 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140864502052?ssPageName=3DSTRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid= =3Dp3984.m1555.l2649 Dave UK From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Sat Oct 13 13:50:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14939 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2012 20:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2012 20:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.89) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2012 20:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2012 20:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.39] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2012 20:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2012 20:50:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 583327.81566.bm@omp1039.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 49260 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2012 20:50:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3gJegMsVM1lHXQVtiAouxwWhgytipfI6KYZkkpu3bpx6L9n 46U7MaQtjdL5aO8yzJqU8H4lJyFbFx9QGHUlUXuRjwOY4f5mxb8SAlEC3S5m gjltHi93X5ZDquT_JKxGSCv3ONZt6zTwq6lLOzeX69xG5UCoRmLCKwhqIRjK nH5QxbDWyMcWbIpZuIaXBoWrDshI5k8IxsJjYTulPLD8FsoedfEbw..KzR0Q SFA5aTgc0ggM2uaVa7wWq7enmRC.p8F9kkLODGxiry7Cnpop8tBE4_dvwHy8 A.b1GcVj..BONtf3tw0oP_b3MLDBzwW4C7Uw7aLtpT8N8jdQOpTTNTMuE4lX 3DltaCrFlJli0D8Y1K9DYMnv3.rGTpHHWpASGglHkVzRrzlLNX_LpaYh7Aio U5BSSA6x04WcZ2LWxQf5KMFwsQ7WCnkmcRfOcNwzvtW.iDT3JnHeqkoQQcyE wDA2Vl1YZpMUWzUsw9EluD_neRDn0z8SmgEFjhwXji76t8MiycLsXuj03UbE c7IDp_pdEx_3N4VUJWeXx8fZ.LeNlaP0SLf72lLJe6dw.eiqpYrQuzIKz907 qb0xbbD4mOD0PaFNq.ASV8vYVwvdyYFd.7PBrKkqipZr4TKEghOBm3Tv6OQF Un2e2BHM8N9B6n.Inh6V9Fmb3UymeMGUSzjNW2nx6VPlGS.u.hZKbsUbOzjt eWFLwRHgRg4iikaglYwUnAq8gP1IX0QmlV2USDLZEyiOJcL94qeloDMksHb2 a9o2JZWW71JcHrzI64jY5pfA0XxTYGiGG72qsLdbFqn3WORksA0_p5t294Fz iEai0X0b6T5Mk0kldmxWCk7Qn6iD.7ExHc5DGy9AaBzMft67LRwdr164eBBF IHuQYKTdhJPSwwDHhXmNslKKCSJY.nDhwabUP9Nn3Xd1lNUfsdjstYh8xUEh M5ESs54v3yjiJUWoUqFGWvY4_PV5.uUNTG4rc9.ZS4K6eBET7Iwye0pbFVW3 8tKfssBGiIguYmOOeRhFHb.QDy6Ab_Uf.7gZrXNh3IllvE4UdS4ZHCkISGaW ZuIRiglJRJBY5R5ubFYl7qvWXDo__VgQSlD8v4fc- X-Received: from [201.34.249.203] by web114505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:50:51 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,Zm9yIEJyYXNpbD8KCk5ldG8gU2lsdmEKQnJhc2lsaWEgCgpCcmFzaWwKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIERlOiBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZhbiA8YW1zdGVyZW9mYW5AZ21haWwuY29tPgpQYXJhOiBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSAKRW52aWFkYXM6IFPDoWJhZG8sIDEzIGRlIE91dHVicm8gZGUgMjAxMiAxNjoyNgpBc3N1bnRvOiB7QU1TRn0gQ0Qgb2YgQU0gU1RFUkVPIHNhbXBsZXMgYW5kIGRpc2N1c3Npb25zCiAKSSBhbSBzZWxsaW5nIGEgZmV3IGNvcGllcyBvZiABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.450 References: Message-ID: <1350161451.31657.YahooMailNeo@web114505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:50:51 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD of AM STEREO samples and discussions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=SY3_Mmn8uKgjary5WDO44SBs5O6nIRahDuhiGOuHspI0wTyc X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for Brasil? Neto Silva Brasilia=20 Brasil ________________________________ De: amstereofan Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: S=E1bado, 13 de Outubro de 2012 16:26 Assunto: {AMSF} CD of AM STEREO samples and discussions =20 I am selling a few copies of a CD I made up some years ago. I know this is = an age of downloads etc but hey someone might just like to listen in their = cars etc to this selection, here is the link anyway=20 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140864502052?ssPageName=3DSTRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid= =3Dp3984.m1555.l2649 Dave UK ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@gmail.com Sun Oct 14 00:48:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40009 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2012 07:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2012 07:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.8) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2012 07:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2012 07:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2012 07:48:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 07:48:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1350161451.31657.YahooMailNeo@web114505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD of AM STEREO samples and discussions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=291801476; y=RrqVuwByAaB7ypg51YlpwFxWjLLPZoV-CT3G0O4-rTeMUrzOMA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan To send to ? Yes of course=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neto Silva wrote: > > for Brasil? >=20 > Neto Silva > Brasilia=20 >=20 > Brasil >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > De: amstereofan > Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Enviadas: S=E1bado, 13 de Outubro de 2012 16:26 > Assunto: {AMSF} CD of AM STEREO samples and discussions >=20=20 > I am selling a few copies of a CD I made up some years ago. I know this i= s an age of downloads etc but hey someone might just like to listen in thei= r cars etc to this selection, here is the link anyway=20 >=20 > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140864502052?ssPageName=3DSTRK:MESELX:IT&_trksi= d=3Dp3984.m1555.l2649 >=20 > Dave > UK >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 09:57:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89096 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2012 16:57:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2012 16:57:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.96) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2012 16:57:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2012 16:57:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2012 16:57:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 16:57:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1349891016.63964.YahooMailNeo@web132505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.225.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.225.156 From: "pdmtr" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: WION/1430 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=5_Df_xYFNqhNI90FQxUdMZxO14BOeaduTRFs5DEXJag X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr http://sg.sangean.com.tw/products/product.asp?mid=3D115=20 by... SANGEAN may be? :) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > kevin old pal, > =C2=A0 > I got a DPR 45 on tests, am,fm dab+. No dab+, its dead, weak FM and even = AM. > A new sample comming to me directy from factory for tests, but do any of = you here got a DPR 45 and have some experience of this model, says it's a C= Crane design, Don't belive it !! >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu >=20 > Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: onsdag, 10 oktober 2012 18:15 > =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: WION/1430 >=20 >=20 > On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > Anyone with experience of this reciver, the AM/FM says that it is the C= Crane version?? >=20 >=20 > I have that radio sitting next to my Desk at home. I wrote this about the= CCRadio2 when I first got it, and it is still my Favorite current=C2=A0 mo= del modern Radio. I listen to it every day. The C. Crane version has the 2 = Meter Ham band in it, instead of DAB+ >=20 > http://www.thebdr.net/articles/ops/test/CiO-CCRadio2.pdf >=20 > I still have too much of a warm place in my Heart for my Tube Type Halicr= afters Radios=E2=80=A6 It would be hard to pick between them, but my S-20R = "Sky Champion" is the one I like to play with most. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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I suppse it's some kind of disc= ontact in the tuner system, weak am fm and dead dab+. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: pdmtr Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 14 oktober 2012 18:57 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: WION/1430 =C2=A0=20 http://sg.sangean.com.tw/products/product.asp?mid=3D115=20 by... SANGEAN may be? :) --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren = wrote: > > kevin old pal, > =C3=82=C2=A0 > I got a DPR 45 on tests, am,fm dab+. No dab+, its dead, weak FM and even = AM. > A new sample comming to me directy from factory for tests, but do any of = you here got a DPR 45 and have some experience of this model, says it's a C= Crane design, Don't belive it !! >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0 www.ra= diosyd.eu >=20 > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: Kevin Raper > Till: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: onsdag, 10 oktober 2012 18:15 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: Re: {AMSF} Re: WION/1430 >=20 >=20 > On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: >=20 > > Anyone with experience of this reciver, the AM/FM says that it is the C= Crane version?? >=20 >=20 > I have that radio sitting next to my Desk at home. I wrote this about the= CCRadio2 when I first got it, and it is still my Favorite current=C3=82=C2= =A0 model modern Radio. I listen to it every day. The C. Crane version has = the 2 Meter Ham band in it, instead of DAB+ >=20 > http://www.thebdr.net/articles/ops/test/CiO-CCRadio2.pdf >=20 > I still have too much of a warm place in my Heart for my Tube Type Halicr= afters Radios=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2=A6 It would be hard to pick between them, b= ut my S-20R "Sky Champion" is the one I like to play with most. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 11:20:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68452 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2012 18:20:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2012 18:20:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm11-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.240) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2012 18:20:34 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.22.77] by nm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 18:20:34 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.22.76] by tm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 18:20:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1070.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2012 18:20:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 88966.50744.bm@omp1070.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 61416 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Oct 2012 18:20:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tkTcG0AVM1nK9TRGtE2KfWBZWc6IT_La9TpArkdz9uJVU6N v1UENdjef0Sfv9z.UbowPrpLA04qteSKM3i4HyYIJ1H0UZlPyO7Y29OFOiKO KZGTlhsvcke.ZTtyksPQchxeMQ8zQU8TYsRUPJbUnkH_WXOLJ7s5syHni6Tk d4vbLKRcnSSjfFFFpZQnbHcB_HpBZzvne4AqHbP3ih7LW6RoxcBihTq_vJDf 61BaT812Fw_wvZSfFn_fLdFbwXi.XeGF._Cv.Va9gwBBhBEGlb2bgAOHkXG. ys6X1o6Mu7jun1hJLQ.IRNmW8rNy.a0Wy4u3zYX34OnTuv2ctQNd_NsTdqR1 _znBM4KYlcACbJSzg.Xl8ZUFwvsB3NY2wZBVyDyHwFf.JRltYRU0jc5DBAmo A685MNSAvYI00r74zbTa5OZvEph.BJ9vXQGUJ1uPBNtR06au4UUybe3Ho58A fkV2cGDZ4OXcB9t8lrL5rjtxx4QPrQ5_JAsZa8rc- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:20:33 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,QmlsbCBOb3JtYW4gd2hvIG93bmVkIFdOTUIgOTAwIE15cnRsZSBCZWFjaCwgU0MgcGFzc2VkIGF3YXkgYWZ0ZXIgaGF2aW5nIGEgc3Ryb2tlIGEgbW9udGggYWdvLiAgDQoNCg0KUG93ZWxsATABAQEB X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.450 Message-ID: <1350325233.19718.YahooMailClassic@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Bill Norman RIP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=A79Q0F6XkwWk_jOBk6W6TnCXsNSlHiIFDEOTpP9xF8Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Bill Norman who owned WNMB 900 Myrtle Beach, SC passed away after having a stroke a month ago. Powell From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Oct 15 16:05:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44379 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2012 23:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2012 23:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2012 23:05:17 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AA8361C0000C5 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:05:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 64A54E00008A for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <112b8.1123d721.3dadf0ad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:05:17 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 36 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:431913216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b507c96ad332a X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman RIP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=DxGymfKn7OwTVF64Pi63Toe6a3a1VSLhe6kjon3-6BKb6r2cvGkc X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Very sorry to hear of this sad news. My condolences to his family. Bill Norman ran a first-class operation with WNMB, one of the few AM Stereo stations still on the air in the U.S.A. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 10/15/2012 6:59:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: Bill Norman who owned WNMB 900 Myrtle Beach, SC passed away after having a stroke a month ago. 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Jim S --- On Mon, 10/15/12, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} Bill Norman RIP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 11:20 AM =C2=A0=20 Bill Norman who owned WNMB 900 Myrtle Beach, SC passed away after having a = stroke a month ago.=20 Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 02:54:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26597 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2012 09:54:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2012 09:54:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm17-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.177) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2012 09:54:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2012 09:54:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.10] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2012 09:54:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2012 09:54:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 281697.38663.bm@omp1010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 276 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2012 09:54:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IZB0hsMVM1kYuOXUDbUZr4XCYbt8tpcsI_v..H1LjFCEae3 s5hS5OE_4Ke6ySF2Za.jQR1OEwjLwnnUNdYDRjBrIRm.1yjKo.DndbwleMKK gGQsYHCiGtp8xHi15drM5pdhBV8iqaSFaJbjH5AMwI0tkAl4UWMvcSi2aMWy a5JEFFk6zBIXx.gGqQ2lBhLBpA4Lr19EvNQlgjrR0mz6_Xx.XFnSwpbAq9Ba GgMJtPRKAOc1AmMT42GXytjnr9cclahsCSaiOndEyq1pYVqQXxoFzPnfOYC8 BXgTh.ytVNAZrZKT5tGbO_HJnKoSoFv4M23AYSXL1hAWrGAi0ELsZv4Rxvjj 86pKjgY3vyKcUIWVoWAfa4PzvBHllUz30ZosE4Ze0vrHnY1WkSiLKoF6IAba Q8PPiSOslGvsJUktFSHENBHqQgyjEhjNuexEqwnNU0Vsgp7Dyv0V8SDfrEqw ugfTwn28jHUlaYDbybjl05RyjVruqni_6ULoY0S0ckf4uxlEssJ0w_1IyEWk nS2DTKcBnaGUCKSgIFs5E2UoGdZJnyLorjP.fTVLPpM9wET2XutHwQB7YpTQ fgvKkZUBaeR1IfWKL4SoC6_xedG2.2qsEO85NFhky_Qx4wU7HyjjLA5pDUAg qQPrpHDwetyhCDGXt4mn2FmzbVTkSaIHVDG5KUThwjNS6X0.Y8sI2yQ2sayZ ZMR3wBr3qsf8n6DWJVkLjr_6pOJD0r0CfzCN0n0YeXCiwNn8hl_gFq5PQ0YJ cY0HDhJrd33NutqeV7Lx43EQrHwnLDDwF9DKa.ywAfKnEy4ebRr4WAbNgP2n 9bZGXbw9sI3PJADGRgWMLOMgv._0MPYKFLFlQSqpWprvW3u5dZisEvtSLOap QFYt8vZrHdY5H8azEybnASrzx5hT14wZoBKRiZbSMBLCNSVPwjsJcViC4wXO rwYqgFYeIw03HsEwmUTVGToLl.unerWr0KOpvutxg7Xj5ISJfh9eIl9od_fw u7_YMJ237Q5UQpj8viL6BHBYrWQEfxVnuy91TbuZd1cLZ_txmUsCfXhHJTfQ KexbkxNxdz.UVhtKsBeZMMQWTUpcKr8yX92ji937wkknJIb6Ukx8uNkHiegL qwCu61.Brs3GqlfFSnY1SbAPINhmJ895DL5xjFy63hXSs6BC1Mqitzk5BnZu _DZY_tppwBberh9Owx3U44CEBsHc3ifozk4GRKwZkWDgcNcVRML0yE3hH3xy WUOffpDozSco64Ib2I7noactKnQzyBSQdd0qF2tNhebJy9x8eHAI_QAgBZbC rVqKMJClye42OgkOPJIo.p5aJxGyzpiY93fCuCwU7RTyfgaRWKhvIOy._Vuk aoV0wPtVetDu.shlJtYRYMTNnU23r55S8lKrKZdWfKEurKHmN.3UFmUbbf3U nKt9MdvPdtYrNp7XEza2VzkMObdL_B3ZIaJQHEquASSvcAwvV9mqL2aIx2OB zpkWE9eBZ2LGZGjg8OUqgBzMOI0eZR.N9tdxQJD1P.budzaThct3ufFtuYwG YDQF.7GWpfLSk5lLhX_w39Kw0cGul2pVabvD2HoJ7.EZjiEHtTcdm7hc0rTl QMg1X9EKFo2BlbTpvSp8cD4dnbN6S2ArxphRPVEMYp..KOlx9tLZ6JReOOIZ 4paWKcZtJW6gyvVCOF.2gkjBRZeNNbXGz7wmq5uu.OI9KakHtjetOyeQl0mv C2bqJb2cK7UnR_yPpqahpQ2ps9RkYX9lriJ073xh39suTTyu8.Y2n1HkTirW s.PgjfLa3SGBLiynxaHTIXcJ7k4SVuUDdGv9gQtHFJX1dOlFNdFHlwi4OUGY 4hBDib8kosVM5Da62cyv_A8xZoCOOdFYu9adDV6UWIOheTA_13CHiFks1v4W RoH_pHagBc5YQxtlX9MowqgfIlOpQgd_rl3WuQEq2WVK6A1kR7NTba2Pz6tB Xzi5eAsjaZ_EjZMKW7HBq2c65T5wybyBKKk_aqzdXaULe.FrNb3m_3VQu743 6nL_wBWd3 X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:54:48 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SSBoYWQgY2FsbGVkIEJpbGwgd2hlbiBteSBub3ctd2lmZSAmIEkgd2VyZSBob25leW1vb25pbmcgaW4gdGhlIGFyZWEgJiB3YXMgZ29pbmcgdG8gZG8gYSB0b3VyLsKgIFVuZm9ydHVuYXRlbHkgaGUgaGFkIGFub3RoZXIgY29tbWl0bWVudCAoSSBoYWQgY2FsbGVkIG91dCBvZiB0aGUgYmx1ZSBhbnl3YXkpIHNvIEkgZ290IHRvIGRvIGEgc2VsZi1ndWlkZWQgdG91ci7CoCBXZSB3ZXJlIGdvbm5hIG1lZXQgdXAgdGhlIG5leHQgdGltZSBJIHdlbnQgZG93biB0byBOTUIuwqAgTWFuLCB0aGlzIFNVQ0tTIQ0KDQoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.450 Message-ID: <1350381288.87834.YahooMailClassic@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:54:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1350325233.19718.YahooMailClassic@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman RIP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=m8oIghtEy1fwdjA6Qw1OocNbucxX4M2d7KiUj8nDqc9I5TNwlRGi X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had called Bill when my now-wife & I were honeymooning in the area & was = going to do a tour.=C2=A0 Unfortunately he had another commitment (I had ca= lled out of the blue anyway) so I got to do a self-guided tour.=C2=A0 We we= re gonna meet up the next time I went down to NMB.=C2=A0 Man, this SUCKS! --- On Mon, 10/15/12, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} Bill Norman RIP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 2:20 PM =C2=A0=20 Bill Norman who owned WNMB 900 Myrtle Beach, SC passed away after having a = stroke a month ago.=20 Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 04:04:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65482 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2012 11:04:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2012 11:04:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm20-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.180) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2012 11:04:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2012 11:04:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.239] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2012 11:04:08 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2012 11:04:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 965791.91961.bm@omp1039.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 42406 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2012 11:04:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lj1hjHIVM1k_YYl7wUf3Q3IRNvaPX28Jb0hGqKlWVDodcy4 aBr9N67yWjLtYYd5kDWPtVUevoBJ4fJ9mG0Hx3hR3L6RpVu4cwbSyyQYlHxQ Dc7Wb44MXv8yaun4dSSVnq02XQjBmMUX1bhP1fyfZ1349ZJ4V5Ltq8hYkcN2 b1pO3iLElSo2z064siyo8dooPQKjGP7yucfvWfLhJCBFR2G3MxshC8ep59em zGH2NxBzmvIgD1azzWU.8_D7VID3jpszr8UkE9Uo5c8ygwlMfzplq7nb_EVQ vvRVpUXRaHUGvdi2PQd6UMJeUoYrG2qp8Fjzg2kcRtBRo.3Knj7LdiAypeZb rWZS6KlD4WkcfloqAogIVVFo2KqiGm947CFkTV4A7QIlIqaSqNANOYiDF8tu 13IirnqikMtR8ia0aY3FtKQjAUo6key29hNEe4vqg.3ym7lZdraxLDl0xfm4 pFnYTxRiIk2vhCVDVOQy5cAvrqGl9WK9OttwMCewKtiO1DxVDHEaXr5TLo05 j2ODkXpCn_Ma8oDykDuu.ZR1nP8M.lhXY1vJ72NHx2C3zrCb4pvenmNjVWGg zy_biRHNYP9LTt9mD0hKlHJBrEtJnVgV3R3IHcZWZyyY2e1I- X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:04:08 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,V1NMTS8xMjIwOiBTYWxlbSwgSW5kaWFuYSB3aGljaCBpcyBhaXJpbmcgYW4gTS5PLlIuIGZvcm1hdC7CoCBJdCB3YXMgcmVwb3J0ZWQgb24gUmFkaW8tSW5mbyBvbiBTZXB0ZW1iZXIgMjd0aC7CoCBodHRwOi8vcmFkaW9kaXNjdXNzaW9ucy5jb20vc21mL2luZGV4LnBocD90b3BpYz0xOTc2NzUuMjABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.450 Message-ID: <1350385448.35442.YahooMailClassic@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:04:08 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF , "A.M. Stereo" , "A.M. Stereo Only" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Looks like we can add... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=SByW6tJfUG08pODVx20Bnop4TYSQUL1ejwfxY5NBD7FbGmyvFyUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WSLM/1220: Salem, Indiana which is airing an M.O.R. format.=A0 It was repor= ted on Radio-Info on September 27th.=A0 http://radiodiscussions.com/smf/ind= ex.php?topic=3D197675.20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 05:19:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62638 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2012 12:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2012 12:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.68) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2012 12:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2012 12:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2012 12:19:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:19:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1350325233.19718.YahooMailClassic@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Bill Norman RIP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=vylLTRFnZmRtJYi4EKwGQedNTT-1L0P2EdMwagl7_0vo_NSpAHBzewU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Sorry to hear about Bill. He was truly a 'hands-on' radio owner who still = cared about "radio", and about music quality, something we thought left mos= t of the business in the early 80's. Blessings to his family. WNMB is a top notch local operation in AM Stereo. John From amstereofan@gmail.com Wed Oct 17 17:51:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30516 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2012 00:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2012 00:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2012 00:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2012 00:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2012 00:51:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 00:51:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1350325233.19718.YahooMailClassic@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 93.97.170.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "amstereofan" Subject: Re: Bill Norman RIP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=291801476; y=0s8IkiT3coZzF8dkBS3O34gsLmCstSIrCLlGYvRbzlXEhX-wSw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > Bill Norman who owned WNMB 900 Myrtle Beach, SC passed away after having = a stroke a month ago.=20=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell > I remember listening to some clips with his distinctive voice, thought he w= as much younger Well if he passed away 1 month ago this is only a few days after this video= then :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDpiE064HXJc From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Oct 17 18:52:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40173 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2012 01:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2012 01:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2012 01:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9I1ptAR004509 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:51:55 -0400 X-Received: from core-mga001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.193]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C4F0AE000082 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31947.56248326.3db0babb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:51:55 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 36 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:371374496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b507f60bb3eda X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: FANFARE FTA100 FM/AM-STEREO Tuner on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=Ji3z395FCR0L82RZvngldhd6QkywW12FOomSE5HYCHOMIvIkLusW X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, For anyone interested there is a Fanfare FTA100 tuner up for sale this week on eBay. Auction No. 261112237025 The auction ends on Oct 22 and the reserve price is $588. Interestingly the seller doesn't mention the AM Stereo capability of the tuner but praises the FM reception. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Oct 18 06:13:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28919 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2012 13:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2012 13:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wi0-f176.google.com) (209.85.212.176) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2012 13:13:18 -0000 X-Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hn14so1685246wib.17 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:13:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.216.132.223 with SMTP id o73mr12532797wei.69.1350565997083; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.92.115 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:13:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:13:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: Bill Norman RIP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=z5coqacW5NZzTysNJN5SA92JLqYfrP28SNerp3U8DMJKykg9GSleK-ct X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow... good video, thanks for sharing it. Sad to hear of Bill's passing. I know Wayne, WNMB's weather guy... and I just reached out to him to see how he's doing. Paul On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:42 AM, wrote: > ** > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > The AM STEREO Forum Group > 2 New Messages > Digest #3883 > 1a > Re: Bill Norman RIP <#13a7400db28b4489_13a730a28aba98f8_1a> by > "amstereofan" amstereofan > 2 > FANFARE FTA100 FM/AM-STEREO Tuner on eBay > <#13a7400db28b4489_13a730a28aba98f8_2> by "toddroberts2001@aol.com" > roberts50000 > > Messages > 1a Re: Bill Norman RIP > Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:51 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "amstereofan" amstereofan > > > --- In amstereoforum@**yahoogroups.**com , > "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > > > Bill Norman who owned WNMB 900 Myrtle Beach, SC passed away after having > a stroke a month ago. > > > > > > Powell > > > > I remember listening to some clips with his distinctive voice, thought he > was much younger > > Well if he passed away 1 month ago this is only a few days after this > video then :( > > http://www.youtube.**com/watch?**v=DpiE064HXJc > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (9) . Top > ^ <#13a7400db28b4489_13a730a28aba98f8_toc> > 2 FANFARE FTA100 FM/AM-STEREO Tuner on eBay > Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" > roberts50000 > Hi All, > For anyone interested there is a Fanfare FTA100 tuner up > for sale this week on eBay. Auction No. > > 261112237025 > > The auction ends on Oct 22 and the reserve price is $588. > > Interestingly the seller doesn't mention the AM Stereo > capability of the tuner but praises the FM reception. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > Reply to sender . 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WLTQ has a Power of 5KW Non-D from Charleston SC WQIZ has a Power of 5KW Non-D from Saint George SC WCKI has a Power of 1KW Non-D from Greer SC The Web Site for all 3 stations is http://catholicradioinsc.com Reception Reports may be mailed to: Attn Kevin Raper Mediatrix Radio SC PO Box 905 Greer SC 29652 or you may email Reception Reports to kraper@mediatrixsc.org 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 09:20:38 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35356 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2012 16:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2012 16:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.216) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2012 16:20:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1351527635; bh=FWzlxF8LrTfHlfebE4fRq4oIkVAthE9SBKNxGwn20EQ=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-EIP:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:Date:To:MIME-Version:Importance:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=dIcuScShVHVrcqn4ex2yHNhm/2CKt+QvWiVqQ7dGLnmG9xc4mBuXARGXQOrlDJJA2vi58oGXdOUpN98nGcK/sn1MJJ19OG9yJHeirxFHecDTGkWLRhWDOXRLDlEwtpIO Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 16:20:35 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 16:20:35 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40596 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2012 17:39:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2012 17:39:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dub0-omc4-s17.dub0.hotmail.com) (157.55.2.92) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2012 17:39:21 -0000 X-Received: from DUB401-EAS222 ([157.55.2.73]) by dub0-omc4-s17.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:39:20 -0700 X-EIP: [kHU3RFLdgmwNXW3c4IIV0H6L4x3paK+1] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:39:14 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2012 17:39:20.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[D47F6370:01CDB3A0] X-Originating-IP: 157.55.2.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: RE: {AMSF} QSL Chance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=joJy1Vx569EoMt8St8Cz6-arzCZlre_l6P7t_S09WmgS X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Oct 2012 16:20:34 -0000 cquam? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Raper Sent: 26 Oct 2012 17:30:06 GMT To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com,amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} QSL Chance Radio Stations 730 WLTQ, 810 WQIZ, and 1300 WCKI will be airing Special Pro= gramming this Thursday & Friday from 9AM until 6PM each day All Reception Reports with Correct Logs will be verified. WLTQ has a Power of 5KW Non-D from Charleston SC WQIZ has a Power of 5KW Non-D from Saint George SC WCKI has a Power of 1KW Non-D from Greer SC The Web Site for all 3 stations is http://catholicradioinsc.com Reception Reports may be mailed to: Attn Kevin Raper Mediatrix Radio SC PO Box 905 Greer SC 29652 or you may email Reception Reports to kraper@mediatrixsc.org 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 09:20:38 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38471 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2012 16:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2012 16:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2012 16:20:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1351527635; bh=P/JN6kwXJ0vUjzEiuy+fC14tLKq/z0LQRHPPeyhjLsI=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-EIP:X-Originating-Email:Message-ID:Date:To:MIME-Version:Importance:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=SvqLCNy+htzk0QzydGKzlxlWoVm6cTK+66RvNLxyA/l2qOyJD57m+IS/AVH/OV8KYcjn0InMtVvnibPO5tedBuWuOLGP7IPe3Ye12RPzwHpsw1tu9V5crjxhLqHwVBZ6 Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 16:20:35 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 16:20:35 -0000 X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49542 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2012 17:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2012 17:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dub0-omc4-s9.dub0.hotmail.com) (157.55.2.84) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2012 17:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from DUB401-EAS222 ([157.55.2.72]) by dub0-omc4-s9.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:40:14 -0700 X-EIP: [rlbA2vzFHaD5179zs2qBMwZ1gnHNKDkS] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:40:10 -0600 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2012 17:40:14.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4A73330:01CDB3A0] X-Originating-IP: 157.55.2.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: RE: {AMSF} QSL Chance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=-QNYuv3OPAQRdmOcnvU9hGxvTCxH-1WYZZpPzsid9OBn X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Oct 2012 16:20:34 -0000 im in denver wonder if i have a chance with a loop -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Raper Sent: 26 Oct 2012 17:30:06 GMT To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com,amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} QSL Chance Radio Stations 730 WLTQ, 810 WQIZ, and 1300 WCKI will be airing Special Pro= gramming this Thursday & Friday from 9AM until 6PM each day All Reception Reports with Correct Logs will be verified. WLTQ has a Power of 5KW Non-D from Charleston SC WQIZ has a Power of 5KW Non-D from Saint George SC WCKI has a Power of 1KW Non-D from Greer SC The Web Site for all 3 stations is http://catholicradioinsc.com Reception Reports may be mailed to: Attn Kevin Raper Mediatrix Radio SC PO Box 905 Greer SC 29652 or you may email Reception Reports to kraper@mediatrixsc.org 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Wed Oct 31 13:37:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71314 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2012 20:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2012 20:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.73) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2012 20:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2012 20:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.29] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2012 20:37:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2012 20:37:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 202665.55599.bm@omp1029.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 5011 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2012 20:37:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: c_iB6SAVM1k878l82agwpb0HyJHIrdfRvEx8rTPWYBcMRKW M7HFS3kcNbByDeta4dPjXiyvoosKLSafIBQqkU0bR0syEBn6FJNZ3RPs1pBE LE95Pva.pbMZDW6Zwzcj7r1Wqixp.fIC380zoyccQGY5a5v_oq4tt4idZ9wc sOqx4bdJSHbmWE57TYJ4KZqscW.egN.O_qKgWDNzeaP58gGo8eyooVfe8wR6 qOV1rGH3nzSNge6_BURtjRVVhxogsVf4UxD2qOaMkARP.1.shhSeJX81ORn9 b_4.geitl2QHi5azPy_D8Km1Db9O7NKIuc4XUhpEbTs7ebgNnGKDBJFvscSo f54MCMWZIFUJ0956TelUUgF5VyIfIvV6QkoBAN81TVLHdVioYqSdW3PxGDfC XhjtuPKGcFV1lsMkIQrJnqp4Dy8UEeu.UXQINGA8rrRv4jlP8xwMxczaazA3 JQ0kkvoAc2.U13KBcegbwUbwt2_RuQlRvGras5VcW6HYNEZR4RFGh2ItphaB mEzZIf13F6OUvP2UtYRzqy9LwIJgP0oez41FnQpuv.uxmHSRQk__JTgyKL8I PojOk5z2iLnyD4OWVYHHB3KsDcZiHPmCOMazfBD8NBzTWLf6BfvaI_MqK5u1 MXjohlEJo9P1OMycphY6Zi0YSGdWr0EAwlHTy0OA36_k8nfxtTLSbhKM_g74 09_JCKikzwrQIZYnB_Y98BYfwOnBRPZuPIStUbWtuYz0- X-Received: from [200.140.4.240] by web114518.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:37:55 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,CsKgdXNlIEdvb2dsZSB0cmFuc2xhdG9yOgoKUFJJTUVJUk9TIFRFU1RFUyBERSBNSUdSQcOHw4NPIERBUyBBTXMgUEFSQSBGTSBTRVLDg08gRkVJVE9TIEVNIERFWkVNQlJPIAooUmVkYcOnw6NvIFR1ZG8gUsOhZGlvIC1Ob3TDrWNpYXMgZG8gUsOhZGlvKQoKVW1hIGluZm9ybWHDp8OjbyBpbXBvcnRhbnRlIHBhcmEgbyByw6FkaW8gYnJhc2lsZWlybzogZW0gZGV6ZW1icm8gc2Vyw6NvIAppbmljaWFkb3Mgb3MgcHJpbWVpcm9zIHRlc3RlcyBwYXJhIHZlcmlmaWNhciBhIHZpYWJpbGlkYWRlIGRhIG1pZ3Jhw6cBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.460 References: Message-ID: <1351715875.67607.YahooMailNeo@web114518.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:37:55 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Brasil AM upgrade to FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=TpjuE0BPKu5ckfxJnVOuCNmKVG1Tw1KtLiZdpSypqsKBuBRY X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C2=A0use Google translator: PRIMEIROS TESTES DE MIGRA=C3=87=C3=83O DAS AMs PARA FM SER=C3=83O FEITOS EM= DEZEMBRO=20 (Reda=C3=A7=C3=A3o Tudo R=C3=A1dio -Not=C3=ADcias do R=C3=A1dio) Uma informa=C3=A7=C3=A3o importante para o r=C3=A1dio brasileiro: em dezemb= ro ser=C3=A3o=20 iniciados os primeiros testes para verificar a viabilidade da migra=C3=A7= =C3=A3o=20 das r=C3=A1dios AMs para o espectro FM. Conforme noticiado anteriormente as= =20 emissoras AMs desejam operar nas faixas compreendidas entre os canais 5 e 6 d a televis=C3=A3o anal=C3=B3gica, resultando nas sintonias entre 70 MHz at= =C3=A9 87.3 Mhz. Atualmente o espectro FM =C3=A9=20 utilizado pelo r=C3=A1dio convencional em FM da faixa 87.5 FM (87.5 e 87.9= =20 s=C3=A3o geralmente destinadas =C3=A0s r=C3=A1dios comunit=C3=A1rias em alg= uns centros) at=C3=A9=20 107.9 FM. Os testes ser=C3=A3o feitos inicialmente em S=C3=A3o Paulo, p=C3= =B3lo que=20 demanda uma maior necessidade na migra=C3=A7=C3=A3o.=20 Segundo Rodrigo=20 Neves, presidente da AESP (Associa=C3=A7=C3=A3o das Emissoras de R=C3=A1dio= e Televis=C3=A3o do Estado de S=C3=A3o Paulo), a entidade j=C3=A1 realizou estudos que auxi= liaram=20 no entendimento do Minist=C3=A9rio das Comunica=C3=A7=C3=B5es em rela=C3=A7= =C3=A3o =C3=A0 necessidade=20 de agilidade nos testes para a migra=C3=A7=C3=A3o das r=C3=A1dios AMs para = a banda FM.=20 Segundo Neves o estudo aponta que n=C3=A3o h=C3=A1 a necessidade do r=C3=A1= dio AM=20 esperar o chamado =E2=80=9Capag=C3=A3o anal=C3=B3gico=E2=80=9D da TV (quand= o as emissoras de=20 televis=C3=A3o deixar=C3=A3o de operar de forma anal=C3=B3gica, transmitind= o apenas em=20 modo digital), j=C3=A1 que frequ=C3=AAncias do canal 6 j=C3=A1 est=C3=A3o d= ispon=C3=ADveis em S=C3=A3o Paulo.=20 Neves informou em entrevista =C3=A0 r=C3=A1dio Jovem Pan AM 620=20 de S=C3=A3o Paulo que ser=C3=A3o feitos testes de transmiss=C3=A3o a partir= da Avenida=20 Paulista, utilizando a frequ=C3=AAncia de 77.1 FM e medir alcance, alterand= o=20 trabalhos com =C3=A1udio e tamb=C3=A9m mudo, determinando o comportamento d= a=20 cobertura na capital paulista. Com base nisso poder=C3=A1 ser realizada a=20 realoca=C3=A7=C3=A3o de cada r=C3=A1dio AM conforme sua classe e porte (que= determina o alcance da esta=C3=A7=C3=A3o). Rodrigo tamb=C3=A9m informou que os canais = 5 e 6=20 comportam 140 canais em FM, sendo que o n=C3=BAmero da esta=C3=A7=C3=B5es p= ode variar=20 conforme a localidade e a distribui=C3=A7=C3=A3o das emissoras. Neves expli= ca que a transmiss=C3=A3o apenas de =C3=A1udio (caso das r=C3=A1dios) ocupa menos e= spa=C3=A7o no=20 espectro FM do que uma transmiss=C3=A3o de TV (=C3=A1udio e imagem). 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(VPS 121101-1, 11/01/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Brasil AM upgrade to FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=pqdPn-AX2nk0RqE4gCWIPudipto-7V2gGgEJ2wbgijNxVu31VJnU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 10/31/2012 3:38 PM, Neto Silva wrote: > > use Google translator: > > PRIMEIROS TESTES DE MIGRAÇÃO DAS AMs PARA FM SERÃO FEITOS EM DEZEMBRO > (Redação Tudo Rádio -Notícias do Rádio) > > Neto Silva > Brasilia DF > Sounds like your country is doing something similar to what has been proposed for the US. Unfortunately there are still some incumbent broadcasters on the low VHF band here, though now digital, which are blocking a similar transition in the US. Scott todd From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 04 15:00:01 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33604 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2012 22:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2012 22:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2012 22:59:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echo; t=1352069999; bh=8IcY4i9I41h7r3vXGuMlVkP+z8AWY5GFM/AcKn8Jxc4=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Reply-To:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=hpsKHSzqZZf/Q3aSG/yLEQAQ7zR9TOrmeR2d/14/sz4o4HWhLukQJlK3elc7WuqEA15D5625kLS9Qn5i4uKh/7HdQAvrDunMNLhyziRHU5pdxLjy/rxIgi10mc7EWE4OWXUXrmGDF0aoSzpYfkzjfLA8AiBfu3tNpYGLWJgC9TU= Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2012 22:59:59 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2012 22:59:59 -0000 X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60815 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2012 17:07:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2012 17:07:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.89) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2012 17:07:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 17:07:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.3] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 17:07:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 17:07:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 877005.73757.bm@omp1003.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 68304 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2012 17:07:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RLuUw8UVM1nootYeF2gGP5lIMfv3QDUBqPNMwf2_PTmTOib inURYIQH0YKyV.3t5DfjVos5qaRm11jcJroWRWvg8Ie5p342x44F43l2OU.f uWEjXzsgyUcSTZYE00CZ_Q.DCbDl6J95pns0AMdBbLDIBMC_xMmmCYhLrc9v sG47eUdy41IA5eiwJaZqUkf1YzJVBJFxtCzAc6JuW4V6TG_JIxqKAfqD7Cgi rED2O6Hy9IiZUcwnXLxGw0jbmTnY6eB8Fx8QGN_Z5LUf6MWyRk9bLGmK.lvb LNMlXoYsVoOzCm7axOMdeloGQzxnrgHPiwJSX_bYsyAJF0vjtQawB4oT_6yV PZqct4k8FhWKBDrcatKrnoRKpwvi1X3Oow3jaCmqFxmARe8KnVUP.cdj9WMv 6nL7Hjf0x5ZeGpNa4BhDt9BtJ5bSp_OTp0.jeHB6GT92IRxTb5F5dO_yMJ3_ TuGt6y7kN30aRDFau__bIIB3CfSBVcePuaihKrAUiJKg42xJzWQ7U4jZdEWD VCSVWHNKHqMGaGpscrjZBl80s84AKUUBlOuzd.1MckfLbjWZgT_gU95ySePw 0nuI0pk_nj10wwNor2SzQRXLP3vLZJrP6e0tHOwWw6Id96ygfTQBRH1Pryw_ .OZsOZCIPwqCUMvr3yobImRz9As6.nZjZjSQtnANNHchPOJZlqLyr1VXZ7.L nm5QJ8_RX6GrpbWxR5ZhczOT2DNnXM6op_vrw4nPWLtu1YVBPzu.TmmptdUZ SCpnLxJyJUALctxGoA.CqCpC.J_eyfB08iwlczfGNv8Usl645m41BNbv2Vuq xshF9vawfmZoZLV4KFYCy72RZ3tghpdanxvYt4ECJtiP.29qO9deoPVptpH_ fKZ5JJZavhaCr5N6BlfVZdWe27zKkhLgnLaN0c825cYegVdjxnI0z20VOkTp JS5P0WLTWtPGM5n_Ppw-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:07:00 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,Tk8NCg0KDQoNCk5OTk4gIA0KUE9QIGVtYWlsIGlzIHBvd2VsbCBhdCBiYWNrcm9hZHMgIERPVCAgICAgbmV0DQoNCg0KLS0tIE9uIEZyaSwgMTAvMjYvMTIsIFJvYmVydCBDaHJ5c2FmaXMgPGtjOGdwZEBob3RtYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCj4gRnJvbTogUm9iZXJ0IENocnlzYWZpcyA8a2M4Z3BkQGhvdG1haWwuY29tPg0KPiBTdWJqZWN0OiBSRToge0FNU0Z9IFFTTCBDaGFuY2UNCj4gVG86IGFtc3RlcmVvZm9ydW1AeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tDQo.IERhdGU6IEZyaWRheSwgT2N0b2JlciAyNiwgMjAxMiwBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.460 Message-ID: <1351530420.53253.YahooMailClassic@web112011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:07:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} QSL Chance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=CmuKb25r5gf0LP_-boNIvgIpdjEibDBBp6zUnMT3Mec X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 04 Nov 2012 22:59:59 -0000 NO NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 10/26/12, Robert Chrysafis wrote: > From: Robert Chrysafis > Subject: RE: {AMSF} QSL Chance > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 1:39 PM > cquam? >=20 > -----Original Message----- >=20 > From: Kevin Raper > Sent: 26 Oct 2012 17:30:06 GMT > To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com > Cc: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com,amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} QSL Chance >=20 > Radio Stations 730 WLTQ, 810 WQIZ, and 1300 WCKI will be > airing Special Programming this Thursday & Friday from > 9AM until 6PM each day >=20 > All Reception Reports with Correct Logs will be verified. >=20 > WLTQ has a Power of 5KW Non-D from Charleston SC >=20 > WQIZ has a Power of 5KW Non-D from Saint George SC >=20 > WCKI has a Power of 1KW Non-D from Greer SC >=20 > The Web Site for all 3 stations is >=20 > http://catholicradioinsc.com >=20 > Reception Reports may be mailed to: >=20 > Attn Kevin Raper > Mediatrix Radio SC > PO Box 905 > Greer SC 29652 >=20 > or you may email Reception Reports to >=20 > kraper@mediatrixsc.org >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency > response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Nov 04 15:06:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8724 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2012 23:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2012 23:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.44) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2012 23:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2012 23:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2012 23:06:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 23:06:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 96.56.206.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=KX9zdve67dxcou2dCaQmkHox_Xshjch5S5IHMxo8QkuRaGBNlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I am glad to report that the two New Jersey AM Stereo stations within my li= stening range, 1350 WHWH in Princeton, NJ and 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, N= J, both survived Hurricane Sandy and continue to transmit in full C-Quam AM= Stereo today. WCTC switched to their low-power mono backup transmitter and tower during t= he height of the storm on Tuesday and Wednesday this past week, but by Thur= sday they were back on their main, full-power C-Quam transmitter and tower. WHWH was off the air for a few days due to a power outage in the area, but = was back on the air by the weekend, in full AM Stereo. And in New York City, Kahn Power-Side station 1600 WWRL was also off the ai= r for a few days, but returned to the airwaves by the weekend as well, and = continues to transmit the 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone. 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Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Kevin Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 5 november 2012 0:06 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC =C2=A0=20 I am glad to report that the two New Jersey AM Stereo stations within my li= stening range, 1350 WHWH in Princeton, NJ and 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, N= J, both survived Hurricane Sandy and continue to transmit in full C-Quam AM= Stereo today. WCTC switched to their low-power mono backup transmitter and tower during t= he height of the storm on Tuesday and Wednesday this past week, but by Thur= sday they were back on their main, full-power C-Quam transmitter and tower. WHWH was off the air for a few days due to a power outage in the area, but = was back on the air by the weekend, in full AM Stereo. And in New York City, Kahn Power-Side station 1600 WWRL was also off the ai= r for a few days, but returned to the airwaves by the weekend as well, and = continues to transmit the 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bossmsx@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 11:22:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bossmsx@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58292 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2012 19:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2012 19:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2012 19:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2012 19:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2012 19:22:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:22:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.189.178.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.189.178.32 From: "bossmsx" Subject: Re: AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170289152; y=ZyW2AAEOtbDrCdQ8IUQ3BhyA_CgeM37Kraji6CGqggiDyg X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx How about WEMG 1310 in Camden/Philly?? They are still listed as Stereo. -t --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > I am glad to report that the two New Jersey AM Stereo stations within my = listening range, 1350 WHWH in Princeton, NJ and 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick,= NJ, both survived Hurricane Sandy and continue to transmit in full C-Quam = AM Stereo today. >=20 > WCTC switched to their low-power mono backup transmitter and tower during= the height of the storm on Tuesday and Wednesday this past week, but by Th= ursday they were back on their main, full-power C-Quam transmitter and towe= r. >=20 > WHWH was off the air for a few days due to a power outage in the area, bu= t was back on the air by the weekend, in full AM Stereo. >=20 > And in New York City, Kahn Power-Side station 1600 WWRL was also off the = air for a few days, but returned to the airwaves by the weekend as well, an= d continues to transmit the 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone. > From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Mon Nov 05 14:02:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30226 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2012 22:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2012 22:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.139.91.81) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2012 22:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2012 22:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.91.57] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2012 22:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2012 22:02:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 13245.66229.bm@omp1057.mail.sp2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 43163 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2012 22:02:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: p24D_K0VM1lD04L5zoXFfBG6HI90WkLGQGnTIQXdPxChcah 2fu3FJXlzD3Hsd_W.xxPHOUeH9EmtUH9dDJRt8QQ1cySPJh9c.5nhbZvr7FE yOofki7Pu1jGbMD8_gCFj6L_qlHZ_4d6L9M9Gpol0Bh_4qWl15wGLTdWXEtV Yx4f3XEniM2oPoIXbMWDGANMmTFhL2JwA_Dfu.lZoVLthe0BbfvBNiUn_NW_ OG4jyKx_PkJMu7FIpvxUrcH0LZtiNI8ivn1pH.ZLgk1YAmkTopZlmZc69544 ybJo8Q5cDLpuxIMMxReshGvUdPWpbWcAoo2OtXPO2d5R_jaPpn.Y4SAt7hKx JNlFIH3MRky7bbOvtrupDEgCDCUKdQ80aOh4oDwYGBd5sqjtLOq4I7X1.3Tg bMLCWV_RpJD4PKjMLgucr0J70y4QU3hulpi2e4K9gahYxjnSbO_OFdZuf_mx ylnId3uBO1WrPGttkdo.h5h0H92oxQYZvixLzojEKtfcvaqrmphfQwRHv1R7 6LYnCd5NuY7ridSFyN7GQ00OTX5r1PMdwQWi43kuEFj7vHZ3FH0yW0xtfwCl XYRNDyjVtBo6XS7Ps5qLjyVNDIXa6O1UfyPE98Ys3aMYE9lR_fAWOfUScdle 55ADPtp6CbdiUC.YvfTXNxCF46vJSKSUi1T6h.cQ5q7EpRR5RpBi0rM6vhkQ gYMC03_7Yl8fLnXq6zuVapqQJ2ZSa03MivMMRJVJ9ptAqC96IXZU287DpmT0 0hK0613omvauApxlhH8TkwfFRuGPwFD1XHPp.LGnvnmPLMlb71Ipf28jA6xr KOKvqfExzepniVcOPovhG0Rl3UX.KlVa4ygDchZ1TUY8fXWMcPdI2Q._AUAr KC.qpc7xGGPmd0ogc5Mp9idBvqDLof_E05n6hccpNCYrjkiS50QuIDOlCZox 8ftDVFLz.vCWDjIKlWFkelRk- X-Received: from [200.163.11.128] by web114517.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:02:52 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,Q29uZ3JhdHVsYXRpb25zIHN0YXRpb24gQW0gU3RlcmVvLCBTaG93LCBDb29sLCBSZWNvcmRlZCBhdWRpbyBzdGF0aW9uLgoKTmV0byBTaWx2YQpCcmFzaWxpYSBERgpCcmFzaWwKCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRGU6IEtldmluIDxrZXZ0cm9uaWNzQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4KUGFyYTogYW1zdGVyZW9mb3J1bUB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20gCkVudmlhZGFzOiBEb21pbmdvLCA0IGRlIE5vdmVtYnJvIGRlIDIwMTIgMjA6MDYKQXNzdW50bzoge0FNU0Z9IEFNIFN0ZXJlbyBpbiBOZXcBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.460 References: Message-ID: <1352152972.37204.YahooMailNeo@web114517.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:02:52 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.91.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=A-qRJ3T8gikDHDHja3v1byvuI-KFJ8yXFnh37itkalubQmie X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations station Am Stereo, Show, Cool, Recorded audio station. Neto Silva Brasilia DF Brasil ________________________________ De: Kevin Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 4 de Novembro de 2012 20:06 Assunto: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC =20 I am glad to report that the two New Jersey AM Stereo stations within my li= stening range, 1350 WHWH in Princeton, NJ and 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, N= J, both survived Hurricane Sandy and continue to transmit in full C-Quam AM= Stereo today. WCTC switched to their low-power mono backup transmitter and tower during t= he height of the storm on Tuesday and Wednesday this past week, but by Thur= sday they were back on their main, full-power C-Quam transmitter and tower. WHWH was off the air for a few days due to a power outage in the area, but = was back on the air by the weekend, in full AM Stereo. And in New York City, Kahn Power-Side station 1600 WWRL was also off the ai= r for a few days, but returned to the airwaves by the weekend as well, and = continues to transmit the 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Neto Silva Brasilia DF Brasil ________________________________ De: Roy Sandgren Para: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 5 de Novembro de 2012 9:07 Assunto: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC =20 Kevin, =A0 is=A0the station on air with 15 kHz udio ( bandwidth?) ?????=A0 wwwoooowww. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=E5n: Kevin Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=E5ndag, 5 november 2012 0:06 =C4mne: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC =A0=20 I am glad to report that the two New Jersey AM Stereo stations within my li= stening range, 1350 WHWH in Princeton, NJ and 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, N= J, both survived Hurricane Sandy and continue to transmit in full C-Quam AM= Stereo today. WCTC switched to their low-power mono backup transmitter and tower during t= he height of the storm on Tuesday and Wednesday this past week, but by Thur= sday they were back on their main, full-power C-Quam transmitter and tower. WHWH was off the air for a few days due to a power outage in the area, but = was back on the air by the weekend, in full AM Stereo. And in New York City, Kahn Power-Side station 1600 WWRL was also off the ai= r for a few days, but returned to the airwaves by the weekend as well, and = continues to transmit the 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 05 17:12:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29648 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2012 01:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2012 01:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-01.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.151) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2012 01:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121105191135002415700011> for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:11:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <509863C2.8090009@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:11:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:11:35 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121105-0, 11/05/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Wlv7JYuvudaCCTA3MS2Jlx3Zh6kaQnPjfT6Rw9LiiOHK2nS7_zxo X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/4/2012 5:06 PM, Kevin wrote: > I am glad to report that the two New Jersey AM Stereo stations within my > listening range, 1350 WHWH in Princeton, NJ and 1450 WCTC in New > Brunswick, NJ, both survived Hurricane Sandy and continue to transmit in > full C-Quam AM Stereo today. Glad to know both you and they survived. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 05 17:12:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96259 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2012 01:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2012 01:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-07.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.167) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2012 01:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121105191220002472600011> for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:12:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <509863EF.5080002@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:12:15 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:12:20 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1352117268.40471.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1352117268.40471.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121105-0, 11/05/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=a8IKyvJK5XqH09Sln3yMMXDzfF4WSGhjIa6WeklrfKIILIjdI1Jl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/5/2012 6:07 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Kevin, > > is the station on air with 15 kHz udio ( bandwidth?) ????? wwwoooowww. > > nope- only 10k is allowed anymore. 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Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Nov 06 07:42:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50477 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2012 15:42:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2012 15:42:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2012 15:42:05 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5D3A33800024D for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:42:05 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.13]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DD8CEE00008A for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:42:04 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <12b34.425dd56e.3dca89cc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:42:04 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5001 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:398733376:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a50992fcc51fc X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=Qh0FYvrGo5Rw_FG0Zz0sBzm_1xQJK9YijTE18-bbGFSCRoUGW9ev X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 If you can get a flat response up to 10kHz it will be hard to tell the difference between that and a full 15kHz response. Many adults cannot hear up to 10kHz, let alone 15kHz. The way many quality U.S. AM stations run NRSC the highs may actually sound hotter on AM than FM using a good AM tuner. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 11/6/2012 7:11:25 A.M. 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Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: tisdag, 6 november 2012 16:42 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC =C2=A0=20 If you can get a flat response up to 10kHz it will be hard to tell the=20 difference between that and a full 15kHz response. Many adults cannot hear up to 10kHz, let alone 15kHz. The way many quality U.S. AM stations run NRSC the highs may actually sound hotter on AM than FM using a good AM tuner. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 11/6/2012 7:11:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 mailto:radio774%40yahoo.se writes: OK, but 10kHz is better than 5 kHz Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN www.radiosyd.eu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Nov 09 13:42:13 2012 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45487 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2012 21:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2012 21:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.96) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2012 21:42:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echo; t=1352497330; bh=b92TBx+zh5GMcB5yUJrWDLIPIWX2MKxkWt/n/MHdA18=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C0hcCnMtMiHyDyITowArcf1H/1kR0Uv3CSsuyuiuwUesNJEPOarG9MaoUU6d38T1YqqqP/JQaSK7AbwcuxXf47X3phRbDD9RYWTTkArXFivTRJ8GaOdUQ+vpgpmCUErTQQuadOXJ0dUPsHFlnVFnLLJEss72kWTUDMiblg6HN3E= Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2012 21:42:10 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2012 21:42:10 -0000 Date: 9 Nov 2012 21:42:10 -0000 Message-ID: <1352497330.32778.15400.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/sx1130review.pdf Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Review of the Sansui S-X1130 multi-system AM Stereo receiver, from Sept. 1985 Stereo Review magazine You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/sx1130review.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, kevtronics From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 16:49:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91454 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2012 00:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2012 00:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.122) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2012 00:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2012 00:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2012 00:49:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:49:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 71.172.207.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.172.207.34 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=gm0peyfxKfP6wk1g9FMTuKSlKfO8xfU4sk9RaTAhMdR6yzwyHw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bossmsx" wrote: > > How about WEMG 1310 in Camden/Philly?? They are still listed as > Stereo. I am unable to receive WEMG at my location. I get 1310 WADB from Asbury Par= k instead. There are three stations licensed to 1310 kHz in New Jersey! 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Is not running AM stereo. I have been to the site many times. Running= BE-am1a transmitter. I believe I saw a stereo card. But not using it becau= se the optimod is a 9200 mono digital processor Sent from my iPad On Nov 12, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Kevin" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bossmsx" wrote: >>=20 >> How about WEMG 1310 in Camden/Philly?? They are still listed as >> Stereo. >=20 > I am unable to receive WEMG at my location. I get 1310 WADB from Asbury P= ark instead. There are three stations licensed to 1310 kHz in New Jersey! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 08:15:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61304 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2012 16:15:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2012 16:15:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.48) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2012 16:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2012 16:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2012 16:15:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:15:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <279193F2-A1EA-4B64-8ECD-471E7E359447@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=AoZEnCAnPUpgN-mYwpE12ntm9YWPK0MRl_OQ0mo_1dRudCIX5gqzF04 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio So they need an Optimod 9100B - or - the new 9400 is stereo, isn't it? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > > WEMG. Is not running AM stereo. I have been to the site many times. Runni= ng BE-am1a transmitter. I believe I saw a stereo card. But not using it bec= ause the optimod is a 9200 mono digital processor >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Nov 12, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Kevin" wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bossmsx" wrote: > >>=20 > >> How about WEMG 1310 in Camden/Philly?? They are still listed as > >> Stereo. > >=20 > > I am unable to receive WEMG at my location. I get 1310 WADB from Asbury= Park instead. There are three stations licensed to 1310 kHz in New Jersey= ! > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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My partner says that all the time. =A0Just have to ask. =A0But to answer your question =A0 YES. ________________________________ From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC =20 So they need an Optimod 9100B - or - the new 9400 is stereo, isn't it? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > > WEMG. Is not running AM stereo. I have been to the site many times. Runni= ng BE-am1a transmitter. I believe I saw a stereo card. But not using it bec= ause the optimod is a 9200 mono digital processor >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Nov 12, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Kevin" wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bossmsx" wrote: > >>=20 > >> How about WEMG 1310 in Camden/Philly?? They are still listed as > >> Stereo. > >=20 > > I am unable to receive WEMG at my location. I get 1310 WADB from Asbury= Park instead.=A0 There are three stations licensed to 1310 kHz in New Jers= ey! > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > > > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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(VPS 121115-1, 11/15/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=esqmm8xPGQf0tsYC2qae-aTQjpSln8a4H5ksXjsF8nP7hFHjC4-h X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/14/2012 10:15 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > So they need an Optimod 9100B - or - the new 9400 is stereo, isn't it? > Yes, as Neal said, and with a rather nasty price tag too. I believe all the Omnias are- from the lowest price Omnia-1 to whatever number they go to (4.5?) for AM processors. IIRC the Broadcast Warehouse AM processor is also stereo for much less than either. Scott Todd From cozy659@yahoo.com Fri Nov 16 05:25:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: cozy659@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49551 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2012 13:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2012 13:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm38-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.229.146) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2012 13:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm38.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2012 13:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.3] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2012 13:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2012 13:23:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 600262.58314.bm@omp1003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83397 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2012 13:23:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OchxA4IVM1mLfHkW87PBwd8h_oSUdZ3lcx4NcmJ0c5ExARh EIymMUsJfixbKIwnLPEOyrQ7b30jPDmIOi8QmFRwU8BZ4btb9jhge0H5B_Ax ljHNWTdFs4tepk.8xvlBbB0gns6r1L1IPDC2aduawtD.EuaWRhv4GDH5KEAF V12eqC6toleQYp9y3AqiObAewfyXNk7uyAw80lFsf1f1tgni7A.cyy4VN0Y3 9wj7Z3bF3JtB9emfyi_DJ_YecZG0_vf4.QPeIinJXLJ_VBpF6oqjcDKAQRuT LGqg.I8uuuCoC9S5n6TqEMnlWwF2cU5YBEE9GC5fPH_bE5A7FcPH.969FfPx bFIW23rgIRwubVkSsiXKb563h_DIvZaIJvKXJ.IQNQ50bfw.c_5tKryNd3rO cQQKKlS6OFTS7cKhkWi6rqhEfRYHvK.emn91oevYqqpfA0TDaqxEzfJdLIPi 8eyqfOE8hM5Jp2zC55LIUIqCpF7a2JvykS1JvTLup6NUoB6Pp2cgUeN.HNgu mW9H3zeTxC9qSGcnDHWDeI74BfhGnzr8qdfWcsgpiBoz9e2dm41b.P0TS8sV pqzEmMscxd9M3UxIegaBrnlTeDDxHG3x8DOIPlkbVRL8xuhXxotfgk7.FTCf oncNSxXK0FnBD9VAUldaMMJrOF4zjCkltUQ9OQYhHGEay3gW_XtKlOANwEJR T2rbRz1yutKKsoruU24iuWcSmMuZ10Ee8REqFywq1dwdmGhValMEFvWaBEJb mk.Is_8bfNKpj2ZZCXcw0uiREj1LTunqjBjt89JyIZVS53cwW8UZCbFiOUZ5 o7n39REA8fusSBrYVWY84BypK_Sn7UYHUDv5LMidamP6FjZQALXRB2AvWhc3 BteFguC1ymvlrXnSdN4FZP7Gna2zkayI1DVSoOtq3.1gSh8A3oi99vU3UX4H jQXw.zUayEZAtTZBC9mvnAvGCecyGBvpgTzhwqtAmhg-- X-Received: from [173.70.156.207] by web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 05:23:59 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SSBpbnN0YWxsZWQgb25lIG9mIHRoZW0gQnJvYWRjYXN0IHdhcmVob3VzZSBEU1BYIGF1ZGlvIHByb2Nlc3NvcnMgYXQgb25lIG9mIG15IHN0YXRpb25zLi4gVGhpcyB0aGluZyBraWNrcyBCVVRU4oCmCkl0IGhhZCBhbiBvbW5pYSA1IGluIHRoZSByYWNrLiBhbmQgRXZlcnlvbmUgY29tcGxhaW5lZCBhYm91dCB0aGUgc3RhdGlvbnMgbG91ZG5lc3MgYW5kIFF1YWxpdHkuIMKgSSBQdXQgaW4gdGhlIERTUFggLCBhbmQgTmV2ZXIgbG9va2VkIGJhY2suLgrCoE5lYWwKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.460 References: <50A5AECF.5060407@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1353072239.72877.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 05:23:59 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <50A5AECF.5060407@usfamily.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Reply-To: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=C-bYEBQ2-_1RAIVMI-RUKYQjKdBAQxZuPYKrE7EY_BYmVg X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I installed one of them Broadcast warehouse DSPX audio processors at one of= my stations.. This thing kicks BUTT=E2=80=A6 It had an omnia 5 in the rack. and Everyone complained about the stations l= oudness and Quality. =C2=A0I Put in the DSPX , and Never looked back.. =C2=A0Neal ________________________________ From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC =20 On 11/14/2012 10:15 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > So they need an Optimod 9100B - or - the new 9400 is stereo, isn't it? > Yes, as Neal said, and with a rather nasty price tag too.=C2=A0 I believe a= ll=20 the Omnias are- from the lowest price Omnia-1 to whatever number they go=20 to (4.5?) for AM processors.=C2=A0 IIRC the Broadcast Warehouse AM processo= r=20 is also stereo for much less than either. Scott Todd ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Thanks,Jay --- On Thu, 11/15/12, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 10:11 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 11/14/2012 10:15 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > So they need an Optimod 9100B - or - the new 9400 is stereo, isn't it? > Yes, as Neal said, and with a rather nasty price tag too. I believe all=20 the Omnias are- from the lowest price Omnia-1 to whatever number they go=20 to (4.5?) for AM processors. IIRC the Broadcast Warehouse AM processor=20 is also stereo for much less than either. Scott Todd =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Nov 17 03:55:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99774 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2012 11:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2012 11:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2012 11:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qAHBteav020282 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:55:40 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgd001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.1]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B5197E000085 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:55:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:55:40 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446075072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b50a77b3c1fa5 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Has KCJJ Dropped AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=FFzCRWlf4Tp5D28FTS_Exuvr7yiOpGBjzc7u3YsieKUl9CDV03qi X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I have noticed lately Nov 16 that KCJJ no longer triggers the AM Stereo pilot light on my Delco UX1 for about the past two weeks. I have come to know what to expect as far as KCJJ goes when their signal fades up to a good level in the evenings. I could always hear them in AM Stereo with a good clarity. Even during a strong peak now the stereo pilot stays off and no stereo separation of course. I have checked this same UX1 tuner on WLS 890 during times of good reception and the stereo pilot comes on reliably. I notice KCJJ's signal sounds different somehow, the clarity sounds different. Perhaps their stereo exciter is off-line? I hope this is a temporary condition. They were a good test signal at night for an AM Stereo tuner. If someone in the group lives closer to KCJJ could they check on this also? 73 - Todd WD4NGG From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Sat Nov 17 04:06:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57843 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2012 12:06:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2012 12:06:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.207) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2012 12:06:34 -0000 X-Received: from BAY002-W145 ([65.54.190.201]) by bay0-omc4-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 04:06:35 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:06:34 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2012 12:06:35.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD3FAEB0:01CDC4BB] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} Has KCJJ Dropped AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=-59pjXf79IOAMrhCzKgioX52IwPZNyvOHQHHA5X4vWcRtQ-ujR1z9FGZ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe they are on their backup transmitter, which does not have CQUAM . Po= ssibility. Cc To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:55:40 -0500 Subject: {AMSF} Has KCJJ Dropped AM Stereo? =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi All,=20 I have noticed lately Nov 16 that KCJJ no longer triggers the AM Stereo=20 pilot=20 light on my Delco UX1 for about the past two weeks. I have come to know=20 what to expect as far as KCJJ goes when their signal fades up to a good level in the evenings. I could always hear them in AM Stereo with a good clarity. Even during a strong peak now the stereo pilot stays=20 off and no stereo separation of course. I have checked this same UX1 tuner on WLS 890 during times of good reception and the stereo pilot comes on reliably. I notice KCJJ's signal sounds different somehow, the clarity sounds different. Perhaps their stereo exciter is off-line? I hope this is a=20 temporary condition. They were a good test signal at night for an AM Stereo tuner. If someone in the group lives closer to KCJJ could they check on this also? 73 - Todd WD4NGG=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 09:43:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97504 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2012 17:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2012 17:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.226) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2012 17:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng18.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2012 17:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2012 17:43:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:43:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1352983367.33367.YahooMailNeo@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in New Jersey & NYC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mMKjmP_0_4ze6mneNsLhUn8xaa7tvISdaaEMV1eNssk1LHnkUnPvuYs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Neal, Nope, not Hindi, American engineer that takes verbal shortcuts and uses imp= roper English like ending a sentance with a preposition, etc... however, we= did have a foreign exchange student from that region, so that might have r= ubbed-off! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > > Interesting Phrase =A0 Ending a sentence with "isn't it?" > a Phrase =A0commonly used by South Asians.. are you =A0Hindi? 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=2hl06R6M0-j8cTbh14_xxBoTJ3P4L9DouCuJUVzoQsoTvN74 X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Chris o Realistic TM-152 Perfect in Brasil, Am stereo in Brasil off b= roadcast. Thanks Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: Chris Cuff Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: S=E1bado, 17 de Novembro de 2012 9:06 Assunto: RE: {AMSF} Has KCJJ Dropped AM Stereo? =20 Maybe they are on their backup transmitter, which does not have CQUAM .=A0 = Possibility. Cc To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:55:40 -0500 Subject: {AMSF} Has KCJJ Dropped AM Stereo? =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hi All,=20 I have noticed lately Nov 16 that=A0 KCJJ no longer triggers the AM Stereo= =20 pilot=20 light on my Delco UX1 for about=A0 the past two weeks. I have come to know= =20 what to expect as far as KCJJ goes=A0 when their signal fades up to a good level in the evenings. I could always=A0 hear them in AM Stereo with a good clarity. Even during a strong peak now the=A0 stereo pilot stays=20 off and no stereo separation of course. I have=A0 checked this same UX1 tuner on WLS 890 during times of good reception and the=A0 stereo pilot comes on reliably. I notice KCJJ's signal sounds different=A0 somehow, the clarity sounds different. Perhaps their stereo exciter is=A0 off-line? I hope this is a=20 temporary condition. They were a good test signal=A0 at night for an AM Stereo tuner. If someone in the group lives closer=A0 to KCJJ could they check on this also? 73 - Todd WD4NGG=A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0=20 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 08:25:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52422 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2012 16:24:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2012 16:24:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.120) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2012 16:24:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2012 16:24:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2012 16:24:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:24:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1352891634.38604.YahooMailClassic@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 96.56.206.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: WSLM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=y-TLQgVZz_up1vnmjdq0ZYgGKtHpjKHPc4QTZ_R9Bo9GDqTuZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The most up-to-date list can be found on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:AM_Stereo_radio_stations_in_the_Unite= d_States --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Just wanted to make sure the station list maintainers (sp.?) include WSLM= /1220: Salem, In.. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Nov 23 15:19:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17666 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2012 23:18:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2012 23:18:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2012 23:18:58 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0387B380000B4 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:18:58 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.13]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D1100E000085 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:18:57 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <13d85.4f1faab9.3de15e61@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:18:57 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453205984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b50b004611e57 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Has KCJJ Dropped AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=4rJBNbwASYvlyC4q3nzzwuEFzVP0Y6v9O585THTl7RtfGmEB6CG- X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I listened to KCJJ again on Nov 23 and during a very strong peak around 6PM EST they are still not lighting the Stereo pilot light on my Delco UX-1 Car Radio / Tuner. Their signal was full quieting at this time so if they were in stereo the Delco should have easily locked on I wrote to their general email address asking if they have dropped their AM Stereo. KCJJ has always been a beacon of hope to those of us still fortunate enough to have an AM Stereo Tuner. That would be a sad day if KCJJ really did drop their AM Stereo broadcast after all these years. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Nov 23 18:08:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54090 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2012 02:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2012 02:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2012 02:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qAO28gTt000432 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:08:42 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.13]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C6316E000086 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:08:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:08:42 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:403864800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e50b02c2a5d20 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Has KCJJ Dropped AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=_J7muEpsg6Wrx8QnXV1OHAd237D1fi8PUO4M7bA8M59y5tC390zC X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I just received this email from KCJJ on Nov 23 73 - Todd WD4NGG : We did drop am stereo. You are the first to notice. We could not justify sacrificing almost 15% of our modulation to a technology that isn't available anymore. It's sad, because it did work nicely, but our local coverage did improve, and we could no longer get service on the exciter. Thanks for listening. 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Thanks & 73, Jay --- On Wed, 11/21/12, Kevin wrote: From: Kevin Subject: {AMSF} Re: WSLM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 11:24 AM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 The most up-to-date list can be found on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:AM_Stereo_radio_stations_in_the_Unite= d_States --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Just wanted to make sure the station list maintainers (sp.?) include WSLM= /1220: Salem, In.. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 23 20:15:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67173 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2012 04:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2012 04:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-06.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.166) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2012 04:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121123221521000854900011> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:15:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50B049D9.90208@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:15:21 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:15:21 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121123-2, 11/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSLM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lpaHfqN5lD7jnsTR-d1CneoG_664fRk_d5rKC9fBiJy2fAgZWyft X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/21/2012 10:25 AM, Kevin wrote: > The most up-to-date list can be found on Wikipedia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:AM_Stereo_radio_stations_in_the_United_States > I'm guessing even that list is a bit dated. I doubt KWLO is still stereo with their switch to sports. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 23 20:19:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97127 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2012 04:19:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2012 04:19:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-00.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2012 04:19:45 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121123221939001139000011> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:19:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50B04ADC.6000804@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:19:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:19:39 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121123-2, 11/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSLM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xpyffBJmLBVRA7KjH_woLN9u8C_0o_xouaQ3AXEjPeXzNHRGlZdd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/21/2012 10:25 AM, Kevin wrote: > The most up-to-date list can be found on Wikipedia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:AM_Stereo_radio_stations_in_the_United_States > Also WAQE in Rice Lake WI, now that I think about it. They were off the air for several weeks this past summer and they don't light up the stereo indicator anymore. Station has been sports for a couple years now. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=OqZovwbgWheWcBHmPo1cnSOGBLt5y-7obHUuboeJZbCRsfNH X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sad, Am Stereo Forever!!! Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 23 de Novembro de 2012 23:08 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} Has KCJJ Dropped AM Stereo? =20 Hi All, I just received this email from KCJJ=A0 on Nov 23=20 73 - Todd WD4NGG : We did drop am stereo. You are=A0 the first to notice. We could not justify= =20 sacrificing almost 15% of our=A0 modulation to a technology that isn't=20 available anymore. It's sad, because it=A0 did work nicely, but our local c= overage did=20 improve, and we could no longer get=A0 service on the exciter. Thanks for=20 listening. 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 20:12:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85277 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2012 04:12:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2012 04:12:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.88) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 04:12:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 04:12:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 04:12:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 04:12:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Has KCJJ Dropped AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ufiErkJoV6sVyVtt4nX-G6SzwwIiaKNGdM31VcH8J3Ht-t_eMJC_ff8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Doesn't KCJJ realized some of the HD radios receive CQuam stereo too? And I'm willing to be someone on the list would be willing to fix their ste= reo exciter too! And 115% modulation doesn't cut it? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: >> We did drop am stereo. You are the first to notice. We could not justif= y=20 > sacrificing almost 15% of our modulation to a technology that isn't=20 > available anymore. It's sad, because it did work nicely, but our local c= overage did=20 > improve, and we could no longer get service on the exciter. Thanks for=20 > listening. > KCJJ Staff > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 25 19:38:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91122 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2012 03:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2012 03:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2012 03:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121125211059002800400010> for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:10:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50B2DDC0.5060909@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:10:56 -0600 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:10:59 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121125-1, 11/25/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Has KCJJ Dropped AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ExH0VpPWF6i1YTIgvX3oTSWUCIdkmOUaZyw_bOvw-lkpvNmnDShG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/24/2012 10:12 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > Doesn't KCJJ realized some of the HD radios receive CQuam stereo too? > > And I'm willing to be someone on the list would be willing to fix their > stereo exciter too! > > And 115% modulation doesn't cut it? > I'd be willing to bet if their exciter isn't working too well it's probably just in need of electrolytics. Scott Todd From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 14:21:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44512 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2012 22:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2012 22:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm26-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.61) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2012 22:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2012 22:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.232] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2012 22:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2012 22:20:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 692520.9064.bm@omp1047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 5782 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2012 22:20:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0JkGshgVM1kYKDdkRDls_ALrl8ND_oS034H8lOwSglrHZ1D 32C57A7N4 X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:20:57 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,QSBsaXR0bGUgR09PRCBuZXdzISEhDQoNCi0tLSBPbiBNb24sIDExLzI2LzEyLCBNaWNoYWVsIEouIFJpY2hhcmQgPG1pY2hhZWxqQHZjbi5jb20.IHdyb3RlOg0KDQpGcm9tOiBNaWNoYWVsIEouIFJpY2hhcmQgPG1pY2hhZWxqQHZjbi5jb20.DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbQUJEWF0gYSBORVcgQU0gU3RlcmVvIG11c2ljIHN0YXRpb24hDQpUbzogQUJEWEB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20sIGFtc3RlcmVvQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbQ0KRGF0ZTogTW9uZGF5LCBOb3ZlbWJlciAyNiwgMjAxMiwgMToyMiBQTQ0KDQoKCgoKCgoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.460 Message-ID: <1353968457.88558.YahooMailClassic@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:20:57 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Fw: [ABDX] a NEW AM Stereo music station! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=w_LbS6EOcAp7lSHbFxh5PBbcuwwsZk4yZEqIz2IgZer3NpN9pH6U X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A little GOOD news!!! --- On Mon, 11/26/12, Michael J. Richard wrote: From: Michael J. Richard Subject: [ABDX] a NEW AM Stereo music station! To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 1:22 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi=20 All Very pleased to=20 report a new AM station on the air, and it's MUSIC and AM STEREO at=20 that! I had reported on=20 this about a year ago, trying to catch them after I heard them on the air o= n a=20 trip down there.=C2=A0 However that was apparently "testing" and not actual= ly=20 being on the air.=C2=A0 KYET AM Stereo 1170 - licensed to Golden Valley,=20 AZ.=C2=A0 The format is classic country.=C2=A0 The tower is visible from US= 93=20 just north of the US 93 / AZ 68 junction.=C2=A0 With 6000 watts of power du= ring=20 the day, the signal gets out well and may be a new catch for some of=20 you....especially those in the Pacific time zone right before sunrise when = KYET=20 goes to high power and it's still dark.=C2=A0 The stereo audio is=20 beautiful.=C2=A0 I was in Kingman for the Thanksgiving holiday and brought = along=20 my SRF-A100 and my laptop.....I have about 4.5 hrs of audio that I recorded= on=20 Saturday from about 1030am to 2pm.=C2=A0 So I have a lot of audio to go thr= ough=20 and break down into hours and probably do a few "scoped" air checks to post= for=20 those who want to hear.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Looks like the Mohave Valley paper did = an=20 article on it the week before thanksgiving.....read all about=20 it: =C2=A0 http://www.mohavedailynews.com/articles/2012/11/15/news/local/doc50a4ac43be= b11772382773.txt =C2=A0 Kinda neat to see=20 not only a new AM station going on the air....but an am MUSIC station...and= to=20 boot..an am STEREO music station!!=C2=A0=C2=A0 Kudos to Joe Hart with Route= 66=20 Broadcasting in Kingman! =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Michael n=20 Wyo =C2=A0 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Mon Nov 26 15:10:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35836 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2012 23:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2012 23:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm11-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.218.175) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2012 23:10:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2012 23:10:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.12.220] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2012 23:10:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2012 23:10:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 513877.43987.bm@omp1028.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 41487 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2012 23:10:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pyQkLzUVM1mSXMrVBkDzKX3x2G3_SEI_pSvy7CCg8k2RRG3 Y1aKyKjs3zwjNocl3moNKP_Zx_T2tDGMCE6L25iB1cnMv3Y4Vbk162VJf5fs jj2Y0W3Esqui1J0FS5zQPCfXNZrUWmsdqKyLBePuvz1YUQsN5GRzSKZ6XFkA u5uJxePNIdzMgKJvA6HLsD20twtF3eKwpIBdrznZbkndoH2H7c5J.UfYN.xB ocELQw4oWcQfpwj2_KEkXcnfiSeBrG5Od42q8vCsZynr33MplwiueEKZm3Rc XYwpArJW744yV.vNDip8sI9egOfd7Qnk6eeK_lrWF_tGy8mDzKhBE_aJ_VGs qckKRv_8I6dYSmjlRKMeoGMVSF8XofdrQAZcSHqJ_wMgHR8BwZvUAeMhsa5O B7xB1.nbjGynkViBYJdvcSoN_sOwZBxmRkQ6MBkhQkTqCP7cwa383m6wpUom HqBGGYTQnWIR5yo7eTWQisISn0G9j7l5LrMnYLZ1aUHavbZcqryR.PFLK9D1 lEnmq8PHZN8X8mMfr2qBQhKByOmo8owqNZqq_tRVx8v6bMmeJXTxMH0Xsazw iqJW0oyd4vClQb7hfhKCj8zGtv9rouAkYdOpqUBiQCOI3QyacL_Jjit9xUtB h_t0I6UotFOwI0HKtKV75am7HAXziAtjJTCpjZO5SxPXm35tTEuNdxrDQemF rlgYQ9fbksWatCyp_Q0tPj.GRrW4eaaQfJv2RVsDKUNoEKzoJqFtnreqmYSO vjsqY2ZJu0lyYgpyZFZiDrXsYNEfdw2WmyLnSQWblVOLQcIRuEJ49o3_xWNi 2izqhOJs3RUa2z93RGmJtfd403j7ljVKGaTMBZoYrai0Zkv0OxyAAxgJKyAY NvSW1HbwF96emHi.sfnX1yR3Q.hPra934GE4k8Qm4y_qaatuXJ_7uVi3hpmR Sml8LVS3GNOC_DQs_mJl38kZ5uTKV1fDF4JbF_rdenjnz6JX4QIhPWTuArXA lTJBKAepZahu39h9Ke9OUmeQmTOWuRMqzpEOdQuW4_rc0zanKwrzCg0Pb6fj g27F8mQ1pFCey0IKHyaPrCP9nSZRxzj38cZiL7d7GDWLCeAITV81j X-Received: from [201.34.229.162] by web114518.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:10:11 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,CkdPT0QgbmV3cyEhISAKCnBvc3QgYXVkaW8gcGxlYXN5LgoKTmV0byBTaWx2YQpCcmFzaWxpYSBERgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRGU6IEpOUiA8YTFhc3VyZnJhZGlvQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4KUGFyYTogQU1TRiA8YW1zdGVyZW9mb3J1bUB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20.IApFbnZpYWRhczogU2VndW5kYS1mZWlyYSwgMjYgZGUgTm92ZW1icm8gZGUgMjAxMiAxOToyMApBc3N1bnRvOiB7QU1TRn0gRnc6IFtBQkRYXSBhIE5FVyBBTSBTdGVyZW8gbXVzaWMgc3RhdGlvbiEKIApBIGwBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.460 References: <1353968457.88558.YahooMailClassic@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1353971411.28556.YahooMailNeo@web114518.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:10:11 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <1353968457.88558.YahooMailClassic@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.136.218.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [ABDX] a NEW AM Stereo music station! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=PiWwCB1xv9r3EJYyJkBcaYEGRvbAs3I14Tn7P3cZzCXfFzWC X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GOOD news!!!=20 post audio pleasy. Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: JNR Para: AMSF =20 Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 26 de Novembro de 2012 19:20 Assunto: {AMSF} Fw: [ABDX] a NEW AM Stereo music station! =20 A little GOOD news!!! --- On Mon, 11/26/12, Michael J. Richard wrote: From: Michael J. Richard Subject: [ABDX] a NEW AM Stereo music station! To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 1:22 PM =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 Hi=20 All Very pleased to=20 report a new AM station on the air, and it's MUSIC and AM STEREO at=20 that! I had reported on=20 this about a year ago, trying to catch them after I heard them on the air o= n a=20 trip down there.=A0 However that was apparently "testing" and not actually= =20 being on the air.=A0 KYET AM Stereo 1170 - licensed to Golden Valley,=20 AZ.=A0 The format is classic country.=A0 The tower is visible from US 93=20 just north of the US 93 / AZ 68 junction.=A0 With 6000 watts of power durin= g=20 the day, the signal gets out well and may be a new catch for some of=20 you....especially those in the Pacific time zone right before sunrise when = KYET=20 goes to high power and it's still dark.=A0 The stereo audio is=20 beautiful.=A0 I was in Kingman for the Thanksgiving holiday and brought alo= ng=20 my SRF-A100 and my laptop.....I have about 4.5 hrs of audio that I recorded= on=20 Saturday from about 1030am to 2pm.=A0 So I have a lot of audio to go throug= h=20 and break down into hours and probably do a few "scoped" air checks to post= for=20 those who want to hear.=A0=A0 Looks like the Mohave Valley paper did an=20 article on it the week before thanksgiving.....read all about=20 it: =A0 http://www.mohavedailynews.com/articles/2012/11/15/news/local/doc50a4ac43be= b11772382773.txt =A0 Kinda neat to see=20 not only a new AM station going on the air....but an am MUSIC station...and= to=20 boot..an am STEREO music station!!=A0=A0 Kudos to Joe Hart with Route 66=20 Broadcasting in Kingman! =A0 =A0 Michael n=20 Wyo =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 05:26:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62099 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2012 13:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2012 13:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.78) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2012 13:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2012 13:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2012 13:25:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:25:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1353968457.88558.YahooMailClassic@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Fw: [ABDX] a NEW AM Stereo music station! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=1Z29HkBhYUfNuz-OZA7a0bG7zpD49g3GoEjBQ8sbzvyX56dJaL8x_mU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio KYET is great news. It looks like they can just about get into Vegas too, b= ut radio-locator has the night signal at 1W rather than 250W listed in the = article. Great to see/hear a new CQUAM MUSIC station! Glad MJR caught it too. John > From: Michael J. Richard > Subject: [ABDX] a NEW AM Stereo music station! > To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 1:22 PM > Very pleased to=20 > report a new AM station on the air, and it's MUSIC and AM STEREO at=20 >=C2=A0 KYET AM Stereo 1170 - licensed to Golden Valley,=20 > AZ.=C2=A0 The format is classic country.=C2=A0 > my SRF-A100 and my lapto= p.....I have about 4.5 hrs of audio that I recorded on=20 > Saturday from about From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 27 20:03:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86867 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2012 04:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2012 04:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm2-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.218.134) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2012 04:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.12.189] by nm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2012 04:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.101] by tm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2012 04:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2012 04:03:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 331064.57769.bm@omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 65566 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2012 04:03:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8sa5O6kVM1mJghTItFL.S9tLtexZH_TVf8BQe8dWUR8Z9C9 933fry_wxUmaESGJYrcJPLwZWeU9Eah0_qVojQ8Om_lXjSCwACnyXoBy4utg tfywW9Xje4mWgkQ_Ya2ZlB0aGZnRrtWWU2IElw0RGt7s0.12sGofoeOmLwtM RbqI0eO3IxYVEUTP6YZLJ9HLTaCofrPZ7_strEp.Dz8X01M..JIcJB8uLBfh sTaR.xF_QUPjEEGhIAot.bBHV_VuB.WDpKV9PtIGiAZab9UsYw3NqYi01YMw qFSl3H53nlQlnhif9HVIYycy1.q4_nU7vSyT3Y5MpW3dCzUQ.3WzGgSs.acl s4nWdbLU.KyXKKiRRNykUktcqCR3xCPxJSk404tnYvQAz.CTmcV7uyNnXfAL o4UQGod8zulW4jvugfW6U2eAWoy2d5HGhShzp2MY3IL4YZts7eatz7IG.A0V 7cZIf0MufQ4M_kk6jmKuucbRZI92qmHblNoH5ov.z7vspQymVZyNDDrE- X-Received: from [75.16.134.13] by web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:03:41 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SGkgR2FuZ8KgIFRoZSBmb3JtZXIgQU0gU1RFUkVPIEtLTlggQU0gODQwwqAgRXVnZW5lIE9yIGlzIG5vIGxvbmdlcmUgb24gdGhlIEhEIFJBRElPIHN0c3Rpb24gbGlzdC4gSSBkb24ndCBrbm93IGhvdyBsb25nIHRoaXMgaGFzIGJlZW4uIE1heWJlIHRoYXkgwqBjYW4gYnJpbmcgYmFjayBDLVF1QU0gQU0gU1RFUkVPIHRvIHRoZSBFdWdlbmUgT3IgYXJlYS4gVGhheSBtaXRlIHN0aWxsIGhhdmUgdGhlIGV4Y2l0ZXIuwqBKaW0gU21pdGgBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.127.475 Message-ID: <1354075421.64852.YahooMailClassic@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:03:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.136.218.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: KKNX AM 840 Eugene Or X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=LYWIDSAAmaJYzQNl8hKhFnXfKUZS00K6xiYZj_WxVlq7q3lBOMFKQ1pioKg3r9ZPEI5-__Iw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang=A0 The former AM STEREO KKNX AM 840=A0 Eugene Or is no longere on t= he HD RADIO ststion list. I don't know how long this has been. Maybe thay = =A0can bring back C-QuAM AM STEREO to the Eugene Or area. Thay mite still h= ave the exciter.=A0Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 18:35:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68993 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2012 02:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2012 02:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.252) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2012 02:35:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 02:35:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 02:35:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 02:35:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 71.172.214.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.172.214.193 From: "Kevin" Subject: KCJJ's AM Stereo exciter is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=YcqUX8QSa47-sFh3uhUw5NDT0kNO8xD06bE9rg6k_XkXGLdzXA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I spoke with Steve from KCJJ on Facebook, and for better or worse, here is = what he had to say: "I have an SBE engineer and Harris Corp. set it up. It has not wavered sinc= e they did. This is the second exciter we have had. It is 5 years old. We d= o proofs every year. Harris has stopped servicing the technology and BE is = ceasing it in the next year. We have to serve normal listeners. No one is g= oing to deal with a kit. There are no radios here..there are a handful of h= obbyist like yourself. I salute you..but we stood by the technology for 20 = years. The exciter is for sale. There is nothing wrong with it. We did an A-B comp= arison and we get better coverage in mono. Plus over 70% of our broadcast d= ay is talk and local news and sports. The exciter is for sale.. So far..no = takers. By the way..we have had the pilot off for 2 months. Until it hit th= e message boards..no one noticed. No one from our local audience has. No on= e has the receiver. And we have extremely good ratings here. Someone would = have noticed. If you know of a station that wants to purchase it, please ha= ve them call me, Steve at the station." For those who are interested, his e-mail address is stevekcjj@gmail.com and= KCJJ's office phone number is 319-354-1242. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Thu Nov 29 00:50:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23693 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2012 08:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2012 08:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2012 08:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qAT8oZvq022553 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 03:50:35 -0500 X-Received: from core-mge002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.69]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 24F73E000082 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 03:50:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <112c.3f00a8f4.3de87bdb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 03:50:35 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473551360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc50b721db32d7 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ's AM Stereo exciter is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=xiez2Ov9IukHf_JReyJna3HZ4Lz3F2Qzvd5w5kio0-VQg8dKwChP X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Thanks for the interesting post. I would have a question for KCJJ. How come KCJJ never promoted being in AM Stereo the last several years? There was never any mention of them being in AM Stereo over the air or any promotional jingles. It was almost as if they wanted to keep it a secret from their listening public. Even their website never mentioned they were broadcasting in AM Stereo. You could read their website from start to finish and never see one reference to AM Stereo. It was like the best-kept secret in the world. And they wonder why hardly anyone noticed after they dropped the AM Stereo pilot? Apparently I was the only one in the whole country who first noticed when KCJJ dropped AM Stereo. I live almost 1000 miles distant from KCJJ and none of their local listeners noticed? AM Stereo listeners ( If there are any ) must be asleep at the switch. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 11/28/2012 9:35:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: I spoke with Steve from KCJJ on Facebook, and for better or worse, here is what he had to say: "I have an SBE engineer and Harris Corp. set it up. It has not wavered since they did. This is the second exciter we have had. It is 5 years old. We do proofs every year. Harris has stopped servicing the technology and BE is ceasing it in the next year. We have to serve normal listeners. No one is going to deal with a kit. There are no radios here..there are a handful of hobbyist like yourself. I salute you..but we stood by the technology for 20 years. The exciter is for sale. There is nothing wrong with it. We did an A-B comparison and we get better coverage in mono. Plus over 70% of our broadcast day is talk and local news and sports. The exciter is for sale.. So far..no takers. By the way..we have had the pilot off for 2 months. Until it hit the message boards..no one noticed. No one from our local audience has. No one has the receiver. And we have extremely good ratings here. Someone would have noticed. If you know of a station that wants to purchase it, please have them call me, Steve at the station." For those who are interested, his e-mail address is stevekcjj@gmail.com and KCJJ's office phone number is 319-354-1242. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 15:37:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4133 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2012 23:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2012 23:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.213) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2012 23:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 23:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2012 23:37:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:37:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <112c.3f00a8f4.3de87bdb@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 71.172.214.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.172.214.193 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ's AM Stereo exciter is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=UdD6nwuDy4_ncndk8VDalz2rwjICjf3Zl1Vi__OzAUXf7GMNHg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I suspect (but have no proof) that KCJJ may soon switch to an all-talk form= at. There had to be some bigger motive behind the decision to revert to mon= o. "Captain Steve" used to play music during his morning show, but now pret= ty much the only music left on KCJJ is a satellite feed during the overnigh= t hours. And just to once again debunk the myth about AM Stereo reducing a station's= coverage area, Steve told me that he kept the modulation restricted to a v= ery conservative +/-90% because that was the recommendation of whoever set = up their C-Quam exciter. He claimed that modulating C-Quam at the full +125= % / -100% allowed by the FCC "produces nothing but distortion", which of co= urse is a gross exaggeration. There are many C-Quam stations which use the = full modulation level with no audible distortion in their audio. On AM radio, modulation is power, so obviously KCJJ bumping up their positi= ve modulation from 90% to 125% is going to increase the signal's coverage a= rea, but that has nothing to do with whether C-Quam is being used or not. I= give Steve a lot of credit for owning and operating his own AM radio stati= on, and he's free to run it the way he wants, but his statements were simpl= y wrong on this. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > Thanks for the interesting post. I would have a question for KCJJ. How c= ome > KCJJ never promoted being in AM Stereo the last several years? There was = =20 > never > any mention of them being in AM Stereo over the air or any promotional = =20 > jingles. > It was almost as if they wanted to keep it a secret from their listening = =20 > public. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Nov 29 16:32:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63265 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2012 00:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2012 00:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2012 00:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121129183235002135300011> for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:32:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50B7FE9C.10203@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:32:28 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:32:35 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121129-1, 11/29/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ's AM Stereo exciter is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=MdkNTfe2twnktyiyDdeCTCw643S4ZoCUn3NorWeKO4MlLDSk0BtI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 11/28/2012 8:35 PM, Kevin wrote: > I spoke with Steve from KCJJ on Facebook, and for better or worse, here > is what he had to say: > The exciter is for sale. There is nothing wrong with it. Did he say how much he wanted for it? I'm too broke to buy it for myself but the info would be handy in case I run into someone who would like it and afford it. Scott Todd From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Nov 29 17:26:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73555 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2012 01:26:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2012 01:26:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.168) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2012 01:26:39 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP241 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:26:38 -0800 X-EIP: [DPmcEoUUgSBjabeX/GSFzXE/nVLt8rTe] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP241.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:26:37 -0800 To: References: <50B7FE9C.10203@usfamily.net> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:27:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2012 01:26:37.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDEE1F70:01CDCE99] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ's AM Stereo exciter is for sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=nV83QGiDCQW4qnNVl9E2Ueu0YvrQOsI25R80QiwOTzWJ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i can't afford it either but would be curious to know what make (guessing harris) / model of exciter it is and how much. may be able to get him a sale with someone i know who runs a cquam carrier current stations presently using an ASMAX1 as a driver for the amp board. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:32 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ's AM Stereo exciter is for sale > On 11/28/2012 8:35 PM, Kevin wrote: >> I spoke with Steve from KCJJ on Facebook, and for better or worse, here >> is what he had to say: > >> The exciter is for sale. There is nothing wrong with it. > > > > Did he say how much he wanted for it? I'm too broke to buy it for > myself but the info would be handy in case I run into someone who would > like it and afford it. > > Scott Todd > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Jim Smi= th --- On Thu, 11/29/12, toddroberts2001@aol.com wro= te: From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ's AM Stereo exciter is for sale To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 12:50 AM =C2=A0=20 Thanks for the interesting post. I would have a question for KCJJ. How come KCJJ never promoted being in AM Stereo the last several years? There was=20 never any mention of them being in AM Stereo over the air or any promotional=20 jingles. It was almost as if they wanted to keep it a secret from their listening=20 public. Even their website never mentioned they were broadcasting in AM Stereo. You could read their website from start to finish and never see one=20 reference to AM Stereo. It was like the best-kept secret in the world. And they wonder=20 why hardly anyone noticed after they dropped the AM Stereo pilot? Apparently I was the only one in the whole country who first noticed when=20 KCJJ dropped AM Stereo. I live almost 1000 miles distant from KCJJ and none of their local listeners noticed? AM Stereo listeners ( If there are any )=20 must be asleep at the switch. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 11/28/2012 9:35:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: I spoke with Steve from KCJJ on Facebook, and for better or worse, here is= =20 what he had to say: "I have an SBE engineer and Harris Corp. set it up. It has not wavered=20 since they did. This is the second exciter we have had. It is 5 years old. = We=20 do proofs every year. Harris has stopped servicing the technology and BE is= =20 ceasing it in the next year. We have to serve normal listeners. No one is=20 going to deal with a kit. There are no radios here..there are a handful of= =20 hobbyist like yourself. I salute you..but we stood by the technology for 20= =20 years. The exciter is for sale. There is nothing wrong with it. We did an A-B=20 comparison and we get better coverage in mono. Plus over 70% of our broadca= st=20 day is talk and local news and sports. The exciter is for sale.. So far..no= =20 takers. By the way..we have had the pilot off for 2 months. Until it hit=20 the message boards..no one noticed. No one from our local audience has. No= =20 one has the receiver. And we have extremely good ratings here. Someone woul= d=20 have noticed. If you know of a station that wants to purchase it, please=20 have them call me, Steve at the station." For those who are interested, his e-mail address is stevekcjj@gmail.com=20 and KCJJ's office phone number is 319-354-1242. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Thu Nov 29 19:47:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6664 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2012 03:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2012 03:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2012 03:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qAU3l4H8006137 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:47:04 -0500 X-Received: from core-mgd002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.5]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 025C3E000086 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:47:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3593.3de6a0bc.3de98637@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:47:03 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:500483264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b50b82c3867dd X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [ABDX] a NEW AM Stereo music station! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=GGxpXxPFYtun1Dp-4WrYffGSGs3znpiq-iHumJ9gBZmtaOIdBPOV X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I asked a friend who lives in Las Vegas if he would take a listen for KYET 1170. He says Radio-Locator tells him KYET is about 80 miles distant from him. He has a 97 GMC Sonoma with a good Delco radio. He drove to a high spot overlooking Las Vegas and when he tuned to 1170 all he could hear was a weak carrier and no audio. He tried at home also using a good Bendix radio and the same result - just a weak carrier on 1170 and not much else. I guess that is asking too much to get much of a signal from a 6000 watt daytimer at 70-80 miles distance over low-conductivity desert sandy soil. He would probably need to be within 30 miles of KYET to get a useful signal. So it looks like hearing KYET 1170 in Vegas is very iffy. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 11/27/2012 8:26:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: KYET is great news. It looks like they can just about get into Vegas too, but radio-locator has the night signal at 1W rather than 250W listed in the article. Great to see/hear a new CQUAM MUSIC station! Glad MJR caught it too. 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Jim Smith --- On Thu, 11/29/12, toddroberts2001@aol.com wro= te: From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ's AM Stereo exciter is for sale To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 12:50 AM =C2=A0=20 Thanks for the interesting post. I would have a question for KCJJ. How come KCJJ never promoted being in AM Stereo the last several years? There was=20 never any mention of them being in AM Stereo over the air or any promotional=20 jingles. It was almost as if they wanted to keep it a secret from their listening=20 public. Even their website never mentioned they were broadcasting in AM Stereo. You could read their website from start to finish and never see one=20 reference to AM Stereo. It was like the best-kept secret in the world. And they wonder=20 why hardly anyone noticed after they dropped the AM Stereo pilot? Apparently I was the only one in the whole country who first noticed when=20 KCJJ dropped AM Stereo. I live almost 1000 miles distant from KCJJ and none of their local listeners noticed? AM Stereo listeners ( If there are any )=20 must be asleep at the switch. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 11/28/2012 9:35:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: I spoke with Steve from KCJJ on Facebook, and for better or worse, here is= =20 what he had to say: "I have an SBE engineer and Harris Corp. set it up. It has not wavered=20 since they did. This is the second exciter we have had. It is 5 years old. = We=20 do proofs every year. Harris has stopped servicing the technology and BE is= =20 ceasing it in the next year. We have to serve normal listeners. No one is=20 going to deal with a kit. There are no radios here..there are a handful of= =20 hobbyist like yourself. I salute you..but we stood by the technology for 20= =20 years. The exciter is for sale. There is nothing wrong with it. We did an A-B=20 comparison and we get better coverage in mono. Plus over 70% of our broadca= st=20 day is talk and local news and sports. The exciter is for sale.. So far..no= =20 takers. By the way..we have had the pilot off for 2 months. Until it hit=20 the message boards..no one noticed. No one from our local audience has. No= =20 one has the receiver. And we have extremely good ratings here. Someone woul= d=20 have noticed. If you know of a station that wants to purchase it, please=20 have them call me, Steve at the station." For those who are interested, his e-mail address is stevekcjj@gmail.com=20 and KCJJ's office phone number is 319-354-1242. 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And th= ay said that the responce is great.=C2=A0Alot of shoping is now done online= . I have=C2=A0to give you praze for keeping your AM STEREO signal=C2=A0on a= s long as you have. Theres got to be quite a fue AM STEREO radios in your s= kywave signal conerage. Thanks Jim Smith --- On Thu, 11/29/12, stevekcjj@gmail.com wrote: From: stevekcjj@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ's AM Stereo exciter is for sale To: "jim smith" Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 6:39 PM Please tellyour friends on the boards..we are not changing format. We are n= ot changing anything else. We ended it because it is no longer in use with = 99% of our local audience. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "jim smith" To: Cc: "jim dale smith" Subject: {AMSF} KCJJ's AM Stereo exciter is for sale Date: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 8:09 pm Hi Steve=C2=A0 I wanted to ask you some thing about your AM STEREO signal.= =C2=A0 How dose your AM STEREO signal affect your local signal but not your= skywave signal? Jim Smith --- On Thu, 11/29/12, toddroberts2001@aol.com wro= te: From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ's AM Stereo exciter is for sale To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 12:50 AM =C2=A0=20 Thanks for the interesting post. I would have a question for KCJJ. How come KCJJ never promoted being in AM Stereo the last several years? There was=20 never any mention of them being in AM Stereo over the air or any promotional=20 jingles. It was almost as if they wanted to keep it a secret from their listening=20 public. Even their website never mentioned they were broadcasting in AM Stereo. You could read their website from start to finish and never see one=20 reference to AM Stereo. It was like the best-kept secret in the world. And they wonder=20 why hardly anyone noticed after they dropped the AM Stereo pilot? Apparently I was the only one in the whole country who first noticed when=20 KCJJ dropped AM Stereo. I live almost 1000 miles distant from KCJJ and none of their local listeners noticed? AM Stereo listeners ( If there are any )=20 must be asleep at the switch. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 11/28/2012 9:35:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: I spoke with Steve from KCJJ on Facebook, and for better or worse, here is= =20 what he had to say: "I have an SBE engineer and Harris Corp. set it up. It has not wavered=20 since they did. This is the second exciter we have had. It is 5 years old. = We=20 do proofs every year. Harris has stopped servicing the technology and BE is= =20 ceasing it in the next year. We have to serve normal listeners. No one is=20 going to deal with a kit. There are no radios here..there are a handful of= =20 hobbyist like yourself. I salute you..but we stood by the technology for 20= =20 years. The exciter is for sale. There is nothing wrong with it. We did an A-B=20 comparison and we get better coverage in mono. Plus over 70% of our broadca= st=20 day is talk and local news and sports. The exciter is for sale.. So far..no= =20 takers. By the way..we have had the pilot off for 2 months. Until it hit=20 the message boards..no one noticed. No one from our local audience has. No= =20 one has the receiver. And we have extremely good ratings here. Someone woul= d=20 have noticed. If you know of a station that wants to purchase it, please=20 have them call me, Steve at the station." For those who are interested, his e-mail address is stevekcjj@gmail.com=20 and KCJJ's office phone number is 319-354-1242. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 30 00:07:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28389 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2012 08:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2012 08:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.253) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2012 08:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2012 08:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.99] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2012 08:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2012 08:07:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 160010.28464.bm@omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81000 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2012 08:07:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: V5PKqfcVM1neNHKBkjFndfcqe83rZlhK4UkYbHyMp.pSqON UhWLKxtUNXkpnZ9A9jSOVVMW5ccyID4axCdRNUWOEUlOzK1ZJkDx6akFlf0q y96zYE.180WJL_klaiac36X4meMvPipGiV_ELiCBrnLX8SM_nC5iJZZzFezb vRRNg8B8S1AsvdyIyCaRN.BJjVsYAy.Sf0yJxKHNOlnJbZN4x2hUWT23HmJb ppvcIpYsKffH9STsBPDF5vv5KZkoVp3zaK50D11lfW_htdLD8Bi756EPQ32. 6m6F7ZVxICYNS3SWNavSIcYMuHzBRUhAF5VXXORlLcqZZSKlfyjqyjKCdCMu fANu5M9tHT8g_zgUJk58iJpsuvtHk7ZoJiaXgBKks4i9J549M19MHx61cFbv LqLLc8qb1_fIv61w0vU6vOqnChTj3OjUM15F7NBVecYqiPAYzhnVJ6LPjf1s hHs9lcZ09ohZdLGZp7SVLB6aX211TR_ONF8Vc.chZvYvK0MIJZH82 X-Received: from [75.30.69.230] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:07:50 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SGkgR2FuZ8KgIEkgaGFkIGp1c3Qgd2VudCB0byBXTU5CJ3Mgd2ViIHNpdGUgYW5kIGl0IHNheXMgdGhhdCBCaWxsIE5vcm1hbiBkaWVkIHRvIE9jdG9iZXIuIFRoYXkgYWxzb8KgIHNhaWQgdGhhdCB0aGVyZSB3aWxsIGJlIG5vIG1hZ2VyIGNoYW5nZXMgdG8gdGhlIHN0YXRpb24uIEppbSBTbWl0aAEwAQEBAQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.128.478 Message-ID: <1354262870.79803.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:07:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.212.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Sad news from WNMB AM STEREO 900 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=cn8nEyKQF4vpFVjWdd3jeXk2VckWwRs7TpZioJX2VefwxTiB6oUMYQi2QgFlFl4lYeYzmzvA X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang=A0 I had just went to WMNB's web site and it says that Bill Norman = died to October. Thay also=A0 said that there will be no mager changes to t= he station. 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Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sad news from WNMB AM STEREO 900 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VDwYln8cGFcfXLmRCvtHvU9xHd02KbsAF93kXenuqyc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW That's old news in the business. He had earlier had a stroke, and expect that was the eventual cause of his death. I'm sorry I never made the 200 mile trip to visit. Powell > Hi Gang I had just went to WMNB's > web site and it says that Bill Norman died to October. Thay > also said that there will be no major changes to the > station. 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It took me a wile to remeber that was old news. I am= geting old even at 48. I am glad to hear that not much is going change at = WMNB. Just had sgnal casuilty at KCJJ. Jim Smith --- On Fri, 11/30/12, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sad news from WNMB AM STEREO 900 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 30, 2012, 6:51 AM =C2=A0=20 That's old news in the business. He had earlier had a stroke, and expect th= at was the eventual cause of his death. I'm sorry I never made the 200 mile= trip to visit.=20 Powell > Hi Gang I had just went to WMNB's > web site and it says that Bill Norman died to October. Thay > also said that there will be no major changes to the > station. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 11:48:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13702 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2012 19:48:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2012 19:48:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.207) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2012 19:48:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2012 19:48:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2012 19:48:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:48:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 96.56.206.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=xroVMF33wnLsIpejuvXbawCYVgeaWq871-O0YynwI--frdM8Bg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics After some initial reluctance, Steve from KCJJ offered to sell their Harris= C-Quam exciter to me for a reasonable price, and I agreed. Once I receive = it and check it out I will put it back on the market for any station who wa= nts to use it to upgrade to AM Stereo or to replace a broken exciter. However, KCJJ also has a Delta C-Quam exciter in working condition, and Ste= ve said that if AM Stereo receivers become available again in stores, he wi= ll use it to return KCJJ to broadcasting in AM Stereo. I cannot guarantee t= his is a promise, but at least it is encouraging. Also, they are not changing format. The station will continue playing music= overnights. And even in mono they are only transmitting with +/-95% modula= tion, but Steve still sticks to his claim that even without increasing the = modulation that much, their coverage is still better in mono. From bratina501@msn.com Sat Dec 01 19:43:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2407 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2012 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2012 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.161) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2012 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2012 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2012 03:43:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 03:43:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 108.192.79.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 108.192.79.145 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=Zxrfh9myEHa1Zoi8M3ktL86iGA4JRUrFtJYE1kU5cxBr2LMjOg X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > After some initial reluctance, Steve from KCJJ offered to sell their Harr= is C-Quam exciter to me for a reasonable price, and I agreed. Once I receiv= e it and check it out I will put it back on the market for any station who = wants to use it to upgrade to AM Stereo or to replace a broken exciter. >=20 > However, KCJJ also has a Delta C-Quam exciter in working condition, and S= teve said that if AM Stereo receivers become available again in stores, he = will use it to return KCJJ to broadcasting in AM Stereo. I cannot guarantee= this is a promise, but at least it is encouraging. >=20 > Also, they are not changing format. The station will continue playing mus= ic overnights. And even in mono they are only transmitting with +/-95% modu= lation, but Steve still sticks to his claim that even without increasing th= e modulation that much, their coverage is still better in mono. > When it does arrive, maybe you should make a video about it on Youtube sinc= e there must be quite a bit to say. I am actually subscribed and have been = following the videos as of late plus its really rare to actually see this t= ype of equipment outside of a transmitter site. 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Once I receiv= e it and check it out I will put it back on the market for any station who = wants to use it to upgrade to AM Stereo or to replace a broken exciter. >=20 > However, KCJJ also has a Delta C-Quam exciter in working condition, and S= teve said that if AM Stereo receivers become available again in stores, he = will use it to return KCJJ to broadcasting in AM Stereo. I cannot guarantee= this is a promise, but at least it is encouraging. >=20 > Also, they are not changing format. The station will continue playing mus= ic overnights. And even in mono they are only transmitting with +/-95% modu= lation, but Steve still sticks to his claim that even without increasing th= e modulation that much, their coverage is still better in mono. > When it does arrive, maybe you should make a video about it on Youtube sinc= e there must be quite a bit to say. I am actually subscribed and have been = following the videos as of late plus its really rare to actually see this t= ype of equipment outside of a transmitter site. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Once I receiv= e it and check it out I will put it back on the market for any station who = wants to use it to upgrade to AM Stereo or to replace a broken exciter. >=20 > However, KCJJ also has a Delta C-Quam exciter in working condition, and S= teve said that if AM Stereo receivers become available again in stores, he = will use it to return KCJJ to broadcasting in AM Stereo. I cannot guarantee= this is a promise, but at least it is encouraging. >=20 > Also, they are not changing format. The station will continue playing mus= ic overnights. And even in mono they are only transmitting with +/-95% modu= lation, but Steve still sticks to his claim that even without increasing th= e modulation that much, their coverage is still better in mono. > When it does arrive, maybe you should make a video about it on Youtube sinc= e there must be quite a bit to say. I am actually subscribed and have been = following the videos as of late plus its really rare to actually see this t= ype of equipment outside of a transmitter site. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Mon Dec 03 04:30:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5458 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2012 12:29:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2012 12:29:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.39) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2012 12:29:56 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.105.246] by nm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2012 12:29:55 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.126] by tm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2012 12:29:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2012 12:29:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 577153.92546.bm@omp1035.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 57332 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2012 12:29:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7jAdICYVM1mo2O30Ifv8LUIyhMuF1uICqr4kpxJcOpq3_Hu 6Kmc1G4F6Zwq4za1EXFzW X-Received: from [46.195.32.139] by web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:29:55 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SGksCsKgCmlmIHlvdSBuZWVkIHNvbWUgYW0gc3RlcmVvIHR1bmVyIHdpdGggZm0gc3RlcmVvIHR1bmVyIHdlIGdvdCBpdMKgLCBhbSA1MjItMTcxMCBrSHogLCA5LzEwIGtIeiByYXN0ZXIsIHVwIHRvIDE1IGtIeiBmcmVxdWVuY2UgcmVzcG9uc2UuCldlIG1ha2UgdGhlbSBhbmQgc2VsbCBpdCBpbiAxMDBwYWMsIDc1IE9ITSBmbSBpbnB1dCBhbmQgYW0gaW5wdXQgbG9vcCBhbnRlbm5hLiAxVSByYWNrLiAzIGtnLgpFdmVuIGxvb2tpbmcgZm8gYW4gYWdlbmN5IGZvciBldXJvcGUncyAyNyBjb3VudHJpZXMgY2UBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.128.478 References: <1354494868.32134.YahooMailNeo@web114502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1354537795.18171.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 12:29:55 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <1354494868.32134.YahooMailNeo@web114502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=ey_owPdzSEPhJbiZ2G1nCbLrQvyzqedqmmtzS9vGqjNKWsc X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =C2=A0 if you need some am stereo tuner with fm stereo tuner we got it=C2=A0, am 5= 22-1710 kHz , 9/10 kHz raster, up to 15 kHz frequence response. We make them and sell it in 100pac, 75 OHM fm input and am input loop anten= na. 1U rack. 3 kg. Even looking fo an agency for europe's 27 countries central store/sales in = europe to dealers. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Neto Silva Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 3 december 2012 1:34 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home =C2=A0=20 Videos and Photos Harris C-Quam exciter, in my facebook http://www.facebook.com/amstereo.brasil Neto Silva Brasilia Brasil ________________________________ De: nicholas Para: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 2 de Dezembro de 2012 0:43 Assunto: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wro= te: > > After some initial reluctance, Steve from KCJJ offered to sell their Harr= is C-Quam exciter to me for a reasonable price, and I agreed. Once I receiv= e it and check it out I will put it back on the market for any station who = wants to use it to upgrade to AM Stereo or to replace a broken exciter. >=20 > However, KCJJ also has a Delta C-Quam exciter in working condition, and S= teve said that if AM Stereo receivers become available again in stores, he = will use it to return KCJJ to broadcasting in AM Stereo. I cannot guarantee= this is a promise, but at least it is encouraging. >=20 > Also, they are not changing format. The station will continue playing mus= ic overnights. And even in mono they are only transmitting with +/-95% modu= lation, but Steve still sticks to his claim that even without increasing th= e modulation that much, their coverage is still better in mono. > When it does arrive, maybe you should make a video about it on Youtube sinc= e there must be quite a bit to say. I am actually subscribed and have been = following the videos as of late plus its really rare to actually see this t= ype of equipment outside of a transmitter site. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Scott Todd Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 3 december 2012 15:49 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home =C2=A0=20 On 12/3/2012 6:30 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi, > > if you need some am stereo tuner with fm stereo tuner we got it , am > 522-1710 kHz , 9/10 kHz raster, up to 15 kHz frequence response. > We make them and sell it in 100pac, 75 OHM fm input and am input loop > antenna. 1U rack. 3 kg. > Even looking fo an agency for europe's 27 countries central store/sales > in europe to dealers. How about a link so we can take a look at them? How much for US buyers?=20 Do they have RDS on FM? Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 03 09:09:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11199 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2012 17:09:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2012 17:09:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.252) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2012 17:09:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2012 17:09:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2012 17:09:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:09:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1354537795.18171.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 181.163.175.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 181.163.175.63 From: "Jota" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bqxPJA0ON020QdPaw22ZW_mUPWP5I38FfnzXHJHQISf57zp6fg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi, >=20 > if you need some am stereo tuner with fm stereo tuner we got it=C2=A0, am= 522-1710 kHz , 9/10 kHz raster, up to 15 kHz frequence response. > We make them and sell it in 100pac, 75 OHM fm input and am input loop ant= enna. 1U rack. 3 kg. > Even looking fo an agency for europe's 27 countries central store/sales i= n europe to dealers. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Can we see (photograph) the tuners? Where? What about the price? ??? Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. 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Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: Scott Todd Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 3 de Dezembro de 2012 11:49 Assunto: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home =20 On 12/3/2012 6:30 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi, > > if you need some am stereo tuner with fm stereo tuner we got it , am > 522-1710 kHz , 9/10 kHz raster, up to 15 kHz frequence response. > We make them and sell it in 100pac, 75 OHM fm input and am input loop > antenna. 1U rack. 3 kg. > Even looking fo an agency for europe's 27 countries central store/sales > in europe to dealers. How about a link so we can take a look at them?=A0 How much for US buyers?= =20 =A0 Do they have RDS on FM? Scott Todd ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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(VPS 121203-0, 12/03/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: SV: SV: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8l4GO60Bqvf5AFvWuNF5rv6rLbdjbLiOp8biz-OW-2kXElM6jTic X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/3/2012 10:06 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: > Hi Scott, > > we are preparing som info on my site www.radiosyd.eu. > 2 versions: > 1. 9/10 kHz raster, 10 kHz audio > 2. same, but with adjustible audio, up to 15 kHz. all 220 volt, grounded. > 3, MQO 100pcs.+ shipping. Please let us know when the info is up. I didn't see anything there about them just now. Any chance these tuners will have a transformer that can be strapped for 120V US/Canada? 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=et7x_9JpRhCRDugeFxZZTQ0FUxtXwGHc-o-K-BHAdb6Qfa05 X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Streaming direct Motorola C-quam monitor Wired right from the back of the Motorola Model 1310 C-quam modulation moni= tor! http://tunein.com/station/?stationId=3D32527 Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: Jota Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 3 de Dezembro de 2012 14:09 Assunto: SV: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi, >=20 > if you need some am stereo tuner with fm stereo tuner we got it=C2=A0, am= 522-1710 kHz , 9/10 kHz raster, up to 15 kHz frequence response. > We make them and sell it in 100pac, 75 OHM fm input and am input loop ant= enna. 1U rack. 3 kg. > Even looking fo an agency for europe's 27 countries central store/sales i= n europe to dealers. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Can we see (photograph) the tuners? Where? What about the price? ??? Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Dec 06 05:24:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45109 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2012 13:24:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2012 13:24:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.146) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2012 13:24:37 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP127 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 6 Dec 2012 05:24:36 -0800 X-EIP: [wMgzwxNaB17VcfLT78BDnYC4IP0CBZ8H] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP127.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 6 Dec 2012 05:24:36 -0800 To: References: <1354537795.18171.YahooMailNeo@web132506.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1354797795.37093.YahooMailNeo@web114502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 06:25:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2012 13:24:36.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[09446130:01CDD3B5] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} Keva 1240 Am Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ah7qlmPs1exhfvVKmEaRzSTpa-5Sp1zQk-Y4o9TZ9-PH X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd http://www.1240keva.com/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Neto Silva" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 5:43 AM Subject: {AMSF} Keva 1240 Am Stereo! Streaming direct Motorola C-quam monitor Wired right from the back of the Motorola Model 1310 C-quam modulation=20 monitor! http://tunein.com/station/?stationId=3D32527 Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: Jota Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 3 de Dezembro de 2012 14:09 Assunto: SV: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Hi, > > if you need some am stereo tuner with fm stereo tuner we got it=C2 , am=20 > 522-1710 kHz , 9/10 kHz raster, up to 15 kHz frequence response. > We make them and sell it in 100pac, 75 OHM fm input and am input loop=20 > antenna. 1U rack. 3 kg. > Even looking fo an agency for europe's 27 countries central store/sales i= n=20 > europe to dealers. > > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 www.radiosyd.eu Can we see (photograph) the tuners? Where? What about the price? ??? Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From bitterweatherman@yahoo.com Thu Dec 06 20:52:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bitterweatherman@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23646 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2012 04:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2012 04:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.162) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2012 04:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2012 04:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2012 04:52:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 04:52:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.73.129.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.73.129.178 From: "bitterweatherman" Subject: Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=547402722; y=4VOkDeE9WQGXRQV1uA-JqEuF5Zsn-1tqSGaqp5GZkjhQa6kaJJBUf-kmbg X-Yahoo-Profile: bitterweatherman Are you selling it for the same amount Steve sold it? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > After some initial reluctance, Steve from KCJJ offered to sell their Harr= is C-Quam exciter to me for a reasonable price, and I agreed. Once I receiv= e it and check it out I will put it back on the market for any station who = wants to use it to upgrade to AM Stereo or to replace a broken exciter. >=20 > However, KCJJ also has a Delta C-Quam exciter in working condition, and S= teve said that if AM Stereo receivers become available again in stores, he = will use it to return KCJJ to broadcasting in AM Stereo. I cannot guarantee= this is a promise, but at least it is encouraging. >=20 > Also, they are not changing format. The station will continue playing mus= ic overnights. And even in mono they are only transmitting with +/-95% modu= lation, but Steve still sticks to his claim that even without increasing th= e modulation that much, their coverage is still better in mono. > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Dec 06 21:07:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31643 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2012 05:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2012 05:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ie0-f179.google.com) (209.85.223.179) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2012 05:07:22 -0000 X-Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id k14so217711iea.10 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:07:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.182.230 with SMTP id eh6mr3851713igc.39.1354856842434; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:07:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.43.114.198 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 21:07:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 13:07:22 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.223.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=KDeVZI-dbp3crIdblcyuzlWRhQgdP4Vf8AVK1t95k0xAU5O7 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If he's waiting for AM Stereo radios to return to stores, he'll be waiting a while. At this point in time, AM stereo needs a kick. It may be possible to bring it back if several stations around the world to give out AM stereo radios for free in their catchment area. Maybe one per address to get things started. This would require a station to be run by an absolute radio enthusiast who is willing to shell out some dollars. Not a station owned by shareholders. This will go a way in solving the chicken and egg problem. Its the only way I can see the technology being resurrected. On 7 December 2012 12:52, bitterweatherman wrot= e: > ** > > > Are you selling it for the same amount Steve sold it? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > > > After some initial reluctance, Steve from KCJJ offered to sell their > Harris C-Quam exciter to me for a reasonable price, and I agreed. Once I > receive it and check it out I will put it back on the market for any > station who wants to use it to upgrade to AM Stereo or to replace a broke= n > exciter. > > > > However, KCJJ also has a Delta C-Quam exciter in working condition, and > Steve said that if AM Stereo receivers become available again in stores, = he > will use it to return KCJJ to broadcasting in AM Stereo. I cannot guarant= ee > this is a promise, but at least it is encouraging. > > > > Also, they are not changing format. The station will continue playing > music overnights. And even in mono they are only transmitting with +/-95% > modulation, but Steve still sticks to his claim that even without > increasing the modulation that much, their coverage is still better in mo= no. > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Thu Dec 06 21:22:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83226 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2012 05:22:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2012 05:22:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2012 05:22:10 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1190E1C0000B4 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 00:22:10 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mge002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.69]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AB554E000081 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 00:22:09 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <20e6.572991fa.3df2d701@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 00:22:09 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:428753120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d50c17d01735c X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=iDQbR9JtuwPdr7mlJIehRDYF6t_6IEWfHdau_sBg1eu7utm7jC2H X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Very good points! For AM Stereo to get a foothold again we need more than a few stations to give it a try so there will be something for folks to listen to in AM Stereo. Also any station that goes to the trouble of broadcasting in AM Stereo should try to promote it over the air and on their website to generate some interest among their listeners. One mistake KCJJ made was they never promoted the fact they were even running AM Stereo. I never heard one jingle or mention over the air they were in AM Stereo. Also you could look at their web page and never even know they were AM Stereo. Why keep it a secret from their listeners? 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 12/7/2012 12:07:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, piccoli.dan@gmail.com writes: If he's waiting for AM Stereo radios to return to stores, he'll be waiting a while. At this point in time, AM stereo needs a kick. It may be possible to bring it back if several stations around the world to give out AM stereo radios for free in their catchment area. Maybe one per address to get things started. This would require a station to be run by an absolute radio enthusiast who is willing to shell out some dollars. Not a station owned by shareholders. This will go a way in solving the chicken and egg problem. Its the only way I can see the technology being resurrected. From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Fri Dec 07 05:11:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19850 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2012 13:11:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2012 13:11:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm21-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.217.53) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2012 13:11:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.12.60] by nm21.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2012 13:11:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.12.243] by tm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2012 13:11:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2012 13:11:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 885192.861.bm@omp1051.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 23466 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2012 13:11:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UP2HmJUVM1m._wpGBX_4ZqBo9NFsg6.4Ak7qaPxYYleat7n xJ_ILf9cKfxXbqlDdTCc39wX2vqnmzFHgl_WSbwzqmBKIxyqeIKkDHk2JpRX zgRM9wBiO8zSt.yGCJH_.bL5aZqIoM6CZyWIXUBGhi6aiIAD3Z3Lfof9hiUx q_1im26WKD8Ktq9i_U5mI36HBWOvpKpFfT6Acq9DTa2uERwNmFMS1rCMVRNe IiOilKy0tou4EVrhP0NQy4uuGSqY2G_V9rTpI_ROL9nYBmgHj9iu3UD6F5yk V4FCwLoJ3ufmWpCOrGwcubDALDrqBrL9cBNUQu9tmuOEzIRi9UQXFeqtYt_g eihekenJGz5afHSc7.VDi1tK6kKMIwMGqcxtGgJ3YR7L2VsOfAiruwRkab7H QESnDDqdKpcOrp3OVvY2.3Vis.hEymH1iwitQTeeRDL8O477GZD2Vcqn_uHJ QWyB3rTU4ZnOF7szjfcCL8iL26ZPIAbefjSdMEqknBY2uWiUTs_eitb7lEkz JWXzbYJV21Onc.M.1zRm3_L69FdEX9ziNxnsdlHyOswfv8lW.cYt3Tmf9pix CqJqj6bHPplhfWvRfQxRVx5t4ndwncjZqscBL174RZrcwrEWPm8XEdlMoCEh ZtxMVB8Oiw0kRAFNiFlYVbWoHr2mSGE0yrzDQS3Xp41TbzNLTrIjt2YFgGof .TzBtAyMJuqjXMJBSnTK92AeSH9tCtD.JGlcjHL.i6TyT_WQvH0Nth3icjp. eXU6efyx2VTbteO6htSHyfACvL4BeQs8Yx.57.Uwf_rrgMPU0s8KOfixzJv7 MqF1XbfP5YSW1NXBZR2ewGRcfwTE84yjMeODyHQP0NxHRP2fdyK2pVmnmnIO VdoNGz0JViIDksrhvEjEhIX0p2Cf_tZKY0oMAE5sBWlg4cQRi7DIvp8l.0BX LE3vzdps3igLLs80CwSJxne3jj_G3Jl56mMs- X-Received: from [201.22.136.175] by web114509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 05:11:47 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,S2V2YSBpcyBjb29sLCBKaW5nbGUgQW0gc3RlcmVvIGV0Yy4KCk5ldG8gU2lsdmEKQnJhc2lsaWEvQnJhc2lsCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBEZTogInRvZGRyb2JlcnRzMjAwMUBhb2wuY29tIiA8dG9kZHJvYmVydHMyMDAxQGFvbC5jb20.ClBhcmE6IGFtc3RlcmVvZm9ydW1AeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tIApFbnZpYWRhczogU2V4dGEtZmVpcmEsIDcgZGUgRGV6ZW1icm8gZGUgMjAxMiAyOjIyCkFzc3VudG86IFJlOiB7QU1TRn0gUmU6IEtDSkoncyBDLVF1YW0gZXhjaXRlciABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.128.478 References: <20e6.572991fa.3df2d701@aol.com> Message-ID: <1354885907.23271.YahooMailNeo@web114509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 05:11:47 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <20e6.572991fa.3df2d701@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.136.217.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=fqQSQ6WemNLaEruh7wL90uMCi2ppMlE-fB9MjIQLm7RbReXx X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keva is cool, Jingle Am stereo etc. Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 7 de Dezembro de 2012 2:22 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home =20 Very good points! For AM Stereo to get a foothold again we need more than a few stations to give it a try so there will be something for folks to listen to in AM Stereo. Also any station that goes to the trouble of broadcasting in AM Stereo should try to promote it over the air and on their website=A0 to generate some interest among their listeners. One mistake KCJJ made was they never promoted the fact they=20 were even running AM Stereo. I never heard one jingle or mention over the air they were in AM Stereo. Also you could look at their web page and never even know they were AM Stereo. Why keep it a secret from their listeners? 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 12/7/2012 12:07:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=A0=20 piccoli.dan@gmail.com writes: If he's waiting for AM Stereo radios to return to stores, he'll be=A0 waiti= ng a while. At this point in time, AM stereo needs a kick. It may=A0 be possible to bri= ng it back if several stations around the world to give out=A0 AM stereo radio= s for free in their catchment area. Maybe one per address to=A0 get things started. This would require a station to be run by an absolute=A0 radio enthusiast who is willing to shell out some dollars. Not a station=A0 owned= by shareholders. This will go a way in solving the chicken and=A0 egg problem. Its the only = way I can see the technology being=A0 resurrected. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 07 05:37:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8873 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2012 13:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2012 13:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.198) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2012 13:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2012 13:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2012 13:37:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:37:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1354797795.37093.YahooMailNeo@web114502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Keva 1240 Am Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=1P7QI-sq0WZ6Mdsemb0ah9sgQaRBBB-zod-OmIlfS87RwF1PwU5x6ds X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Nice stereo audio - and they even have AM STEREO in their Logo! 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Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: OT New Years X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a copy of the 1994 PBS program =E2=80=9CNew Year=E2=80=99s Eve With = Guy Lombardo=E2=80=9D. As I did last year, I would like to again offer to = make a DVD copy (no charge) for any =E2=80=9Cold timers=E2=80=9D out there = who still remember the days when New Year=E2=80=99s Eve meant Guy Lombardo.= This show features the new Lombardo band along with some clips from the o= riginal Lombardo band. It is in color and black & white. The visual quali= ty is only fair, because it was copied from an old VHS tape, but it is cert= ainly viewable and enjoyable. If anyone would like a copy, please email me= offline at dwtpa97@aol.com and I=E2=80=99ll send one. Thanks =E2=80=93 Dick W. 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(VPS 121207-0, 12/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8HO6Nyz7Z29eX3scoibDmt8fw0cPGMRIIi6xzIiqie80J0P6pkRU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/6/2012 11:22 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > One mistake KCJJ made was they never promoted the fact they > were even running AM Stereo. I never heard one jingle or mention > over the air they were in AM Stereo. Also you could look at their > web page and never even know they were AM Stereo. Why keep it > a secret from their listeners? A dozen years ago they did. They should have kept it up. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 07 10:45:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7942 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2012 18:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2012 18:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2012 18:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121207124519002687500010> for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 12:45:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50C23935.9010106@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 12:45:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 12:45:19 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121207-0, 12/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=K1xuCwkmgzcBMBmOXf8QGwzYxNMJYTXrXqs4nTeoD31i7tZfPTut X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/6/2012 11:07 PM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > If he's waiting for AM Stereo radios to return to stores, he'll be waiting > a while. > > At this point in time, AM stereo needs a kick. It may be possible to bring > it back if several stations around the world to give out AM stereo radios > for free in their catchment area. But then there's the problem of finding someone who still makes them. Otherwise I agree 110% with the solution. Scott Todd From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Dec 07 12:11:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18940 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2012 20:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2012 20:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.226) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2012 20:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.83] by ng18.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2012 20:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2012 20:11:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 20:11:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50C23935.9010106@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 181.163.170.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 181.163.170.4 From: "Jota" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=lWFUcsxo2t89DdVPsVvi94tkG5WlNybyKGIBg3Hng5uOVEGiLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi, Gang!!! I've been some out of this forum because we've started to re-build all our = installations here (next year we will start all over from zero, as in the b= eginning, all new). You can't imagine how so hard it had been, and it will = be worst!!! Well, as a humble opinion, we need to put another point on the table about = the AM Stereo issue: LISTENER EDUCATION. At least, here, my beautiful country, listeners don't know about HOW TO "CA= TCH" AN AM STATION AT THEIR HOUSES. Most of them don't use any kind of extra antenna, because they don't know t= hey need one. Even more, nobody knows how to build a good AM-MW reception a= ntenna. And... What is this important to us? BECAUSE THE MOST COMMON REASON THE LIS= TENER GIVES TO AVOID TO LISTEN AM IS... THE BACKGROUND NOISE!!! But, they d= on't know about how to avoid this with a good external antenna!!! SO... it is an educational problem. If we add the fact that the electric power companies don't help us with the= ir visible noisy lines at the streets and avenues and highways... and nobod= y does something about this... and the politicians don't care about this...= well, it is a very dark "panorama". Well, that's some extra problems to the AM band, here (at least). BUT I HAVE FAITH IN THE FUTURE!!! Does somebody say "AMEN" with me? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL, BROS!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 12/6/2012 11:07 PM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > If he's waiting for AM Stereo radios to return to stores, he'll be wait= ing > > a while. > > > > At this point in time, AM stereo needs a kick. It may be possible to br= ing > > it back if several stations around the world to give out AM stereo radi= os > > for free in their catchment area. >=20 > But then there's the problem of finding someone who still makes them.=20 > Otherwise I agree 110% with the solution. >=20 > Scott Todd > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Dec 07 15:07:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1405 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2012 23:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2012 23:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2012 23:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E5A5B1C000059 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:07:17 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.13]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BAB93E000087 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:07:17 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <65f9.19a671ed.3df3d0a5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:07:17 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475947648:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a50c276a51f4b X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Keva 1240 Am Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=qD1LB0CCqLbZCPDiC9jL9ldrY_H-frXFPo2HXNvrN2L_dSxnAEAb X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Their streaming audio sounds great if that is coming from their Motorola C-Quam mod monitor. Glad to hear they are promoting AM Stereo over the air also! Here is an interesting paragraph from KEVA's webpage about their AM Stereo : In 2003, AM Stereo guru Michael J. Richard (who started working at the station in 1991) acquired some used C-Quam AM Stereo equipment and received permission from the station owners to add another great improvement to KEVA's sound. AM Stereo equipment was successfully installed and in the spring of 2003 KEVA began broadcasting in stereo. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 12/7/2012 8:37:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: Nice stereo audio - and they even have AM STEREO in their Logo! From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Sat Dec 08 06:42:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2133 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2012 14:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2012 14:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.217.26) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2012 14:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.12.60] by nm19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2012 14:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.12.216] by tm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2012 14:42:02 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2012 14:42:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 190023.45894.bm@omp1024.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 7641 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2012 14:42:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RMQHY9IVM1lQ12IxB7XWIjUSzhM6J8y7wSoReE2ezd9D_bI K4LLYPHtr_cHOBhyYlTBkM0XXDLd.ydu3S1iQiJOpYcvFB5Jew0Giafp1RZT WJpb0UibZuXWb8p1iBfjsZoqGe48rYCkTcBsFO8VN21C78ts3Z5UdVkKmA3g zTvAvvhUfQxz4dJJIU3NG1cs5pyfVaUQWY1EV2EQ64xEtk9yntbM3zTW_kp6 6BlpyJdcLWcUD8Ns0PxpkzxnhZDGEp7H.LLJnm2rykyKkMF81dCL7YpTigDT MaShIV2riRy.4j.LlCbBQmPU8zMiqCsxSbirE_xdpyW7EuY8uGZ2MPu9LQgC s7Lr.rq9wy02Lcre2y00_47bm8HXasCCPv8SXtxZzE6Smv52FcEU0OfO.jaa NP4QxMB6bLvUtWyS0_HMX5kHNGwgP6zjRaTZkMwLgGKNe5K0VhOfpuiqhjOh 2civ3HYlN8HWcbsiWgLnvnw_fEu6mSIhD7IiOmZUNOQHDzNIbr_4ASLzcPKm .x3S9HPM0lg9eza.xEa_.VYIg9mhNeTS2vO38P0fi5dgPUWG.bM85ayzXMNq 6WOeg9tP8ZB.cWTNRYQ8Ee1MVVJFgNHD_ZdIDwbpxC3L0SsMgIKEJODr_4n0 FZD8xaGXXFcLf5HORqD1o1B01Ooy.I2J1pvn9vcVIBptpmMJ4gqAtWGtbYdC T4Lc9upgSaaiw9eV1JE99Dv.QPiKLyRUvWsGuD8cG4Kwhn81A9OvM6I_8qEA 4bALHig54G4f8EkY3aeKpXhVx119lajYJ8L_PuxZ1wdq6nd9pewqpTl16xaJ HDNSgoK.ppAJSM.5nx3sjqCXWbtHAJIiW4hazkTSrPiYDIHIR1vPL2r6.Xb6 wxkkG.sDmmB7PwrDnKo01AtdFc8dq0Q8AOt05.YGvNqut8If8Fo.WV6yfKpW wdZQoPy1DZ3KwkJw6GNWl4TtebtYkKQbViBiC0cRWfep07rCztqTzp7HGwZl uj5fkAUW9jhvl2uK3vmlWwOLec1ys1jZ.5oablL4W X-Received: from [200.140.4.232] by web114514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Dec 2012 06:42:01 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,CkFNRU4sIGluIEJyYXNpbCBBbSBzdGVyZW8gT2ZmIGluIGJyb2FkY2FzdCwgTmFjaW9uYWwgQW0gOTgwIEtoeiBCcmFzaWxpYSBPZmYgQW0gU3RlcmVvLCBpSSdtIHRyeWluZyB0byBnZXQgYmFjayB3aXRoIHRoZW0gdG8gdGhlQU0gc3RlcmVvLCBiZWNhdXNlIHdlIGRlc2VydmUuClBsZWFzZSBoZWxwCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZWJjLmNvbS5ici9mYWxlLWNvbm9zY2_CoMKgIChSYWRpbyBOYWNpb25hbCBBTSBCcmFzaWxpYSkKCk5ldG8gU2lsdmEKQnJhc2lsaWEgREYKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.128.478 References: <50C23935.9010106@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1354977721.99619.YahooMailNeo@web114514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 06:42:01 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.136.217.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=LH3sGvGOWTP_XV5-RMuxfh3rUTr9yXP3L7ZE5efLoncWn2Ga X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AMEN, in Brasil Am stereo Off in broadcast, Nacional Am 980 Khz Brasilia Of= f Am Stereo, iI'm trying to get back with them to theAM stereo, because we = deserve. Please help http://www.ebc.com.br/fale-conosco=A0=A0 (Radio Nacional AM Brasilia) Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: Jota Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 7 de Dezembro de 2012 17:11 Assunto: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home =20 Hi, Gang!!! I've been some out of this forum because we've started to re-build all our = installations here (next year we will start all over from zero, as in the b= eginning, all new). You can't imagine how so hard it had been, and it will = be worst!!! Well, as a humble opinion, we need to put another point on the table about = the AM Stereo issue: LISTENER EDUCATION. At least, here, my beautiful country, listeners don't know about HOW TO "CA= TCH" AN AM STATION AT THEIR HOUSES. Most of them don't use any kind of extra antenna, because they don't know t= hey need one. Even more, nobody knows how to build a good AM-MW reception a= ntenna. And... What is this important to us? BECAUSE THE MOST COMMON REASON THE LIS= TENER GIVES TO AVOID TO LISTEN AM IS... THE BACKGROUND NOISE!!! But, they d= on't know about how to avoid this with a good external antenna!!! SO... it is an educational problem. If we add the fact that the electric power companies don't help us with the= ir visible noisy lines at the streets and avenues and highways... and nobod= y does something about this... and the politicians don't care about this...= well, it is a very dark "panorama". Well, that's some extra problems to the AM band, here (at least). BUT I HAVE FAITH IN THE FUTURE!!! Does somebody say "AMEN" with me? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL, BROS!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 12/6/2012 11:07 PM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > If he's waiting for AM Stereo radios to return to stores, he'll be wait= ing > > a while. > > > > At this point in time, AM stereo needs a kick. It may be possible to br= ing > > it back if several stations around the world to give out AM stereo radi= os > > for free in their catchment area. >=20 > But then there's the problem of finding someone who still makes them.=20 > Otherwise I agree 110% with the solution. >=20 > Scott Todd > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Jim Smith=20 --- On Sat, 12/8/12, Neto Silva wrote: From: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Date: Saturday, December 8, 2012, 6:42 AM =C2=A0=20 AMEN, in Brasil Am stereo Off in broadcast, Nacional Am 980 Khz Brasilia Of= f Am Stereo, iI'm trying to get back with them to theAM stereo, because we = deserve. Please help http://www.ebc.com.br/fale-conosco=C2=A0=C2=A0 (Radio Nacional AM Brasilia) Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: Jota Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 7 de Dezembro de 2012 17:11 Assunto: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ's C-Quam exciter is going to a new home Hi, Gang!!! I've been some out of this forum because we've started to re-build all our = installations here (next year we will start all over from zero, as in the b= eginning, all new). You can't imagine how so hard it had been, and it will = be worst!!! Well, as a humble opinion, we need to put another point on the table about = the AM Stereo issue: LISTENER EDUCATION. At least, here, my beautiful country, listeners don't know about HOW TO "CA= TCH" AN AM STATION AT THEIR HOUSES. Most of them don't use any kind of extra antenna, because they don't know t= hey need one. Even more, nobody knows how to build a good AM-MW reception a= ntenna. And... What is this important to us? BECAUSE THE MOST COMMON REASON THE LIS= TENER GIVES TO AVOID TO LISTEN AM IS... THE BACKGROUND NOISE!!! But, they d= on't know about how to avoid this with a good external antenna!!! SO... it is an educational problem. If we add the fact that the electric power companies don't help us with the= ir visible noisy lines at the streets and avenues and highways... and nobod= y does something about this... and the politicians don't care about this...= well, it is a very dark "panorama". Well, that's some extra problems to the AM band, here (at least). BUT I HAVE FAITH IN THE FUTURE!!! Does somebody say "AMEN" with me? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL, BROS!!!!!!! Juan Jes=C3=BAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 12/6/2012 11:07 PM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > If he's waiting for AM Stereo radios to return to stores, he'll be wait= ing > > a while. > > > > At this point in time, AM stereo needs a kick. It may be possible to br= ing > > it back if several stations around the world to give out AM stereo radi= os > > for free in their catchment area. >=20 > But then there's the problem of finding someone who still makes them.=20 > Otherwise I agree 110% with the solution. >=20 > Scott Todd > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Dec 20 13:40:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66026 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2012 21:40:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2012 21:40:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.168) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2012 21:40:07 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP96 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:40:06 -0800 X-EIP: [ALsYiSvojm8+e/H7u0zNGIUmo7tNFjJ+] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP96.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:40:05 -0800 To: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:40:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2012 21:40:05.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[9332E970:01CDDEFA] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=5e3DAz59qE8aypdDCn0qYudx1plJiy9bxoHpLQNtDKhw X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd jason at wsm is looking to put am stereo back on wsm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cooper, Jason" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter Robert - I just found your email address on the radio info board. I had previously just found an address on arrl.org so I sent a postcard. It's on the way. :) Anyway... Quite a while ago you posted about having a Harris AMS-G1 exciter. I am curious as if you may still have this unit and desire to sell or trade it. I am experimenting with turning C-QUAM back on at WSM and I'm looking for one of these units. Thanks! - Jason Jason Cooper WSM Chief Engineer Office: 615 373-5225 | Cell: 615 337-5182 | jcooper@wsmonline.com 2644 McGavock Pike | Nashville, TN 37214 | wsmonline.com WSM is a service of Ryman Hospitality Properties, Inc. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Thu Dec 20 14:27:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38516 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2012 22:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2012 22:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2012 22:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D71021C00004C for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:27:17 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mge001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.65]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B7667E000086 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:27:17 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <37a05.59a1cc3c.3e04eac5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:27:17 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:414463008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a50d390c55fc3 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=SB2MQS1RcrZstxyKmasLND9dv4zB3iCEh5l-kG128hUQHE01i6c6 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 This is great news! I had written once or twice to WSM in the past asking them if they would consider running AM Stereo again. That would really help get the AM Stereo ball rolling to have a 50kw clear channel AM Stereo music station like WSM on the air again. I wish them the best of luck! If they do reinstate AM Stereo I hope they will promote it over the air. That should generate a lot of listener interest! Now if we could get CFZM "zoomer" 740 on AM Stereo that would help things along also. They blanket half the country on a good night. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 12/20/2012 4:40:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: jason at wsm is looking to put am stereo back on wsm. 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I had previously= =20 just found an address on arrl.org so I sent a postcard. It's on the way. := ) Anyway... Quite a while ago you posted about having a Harris AMS-G1 exciter= .=20 I am curious as if you may still have this unit and desire to sell or trade= =20 it. I am experimenting with turning C-QUAM back on at WSM and I'm looking for=20 one of these units. Thanks! - Jason Jason Cooper WSM Chief Engineer Office: 615 373-5225 | Cell: 615 337-5182 |=20 jcooper@wsmonline.com 2644 McGavock Pike | Nashville, TN 37214 |=20 wsmonline.com WSM is a service of Ryman Hospitality Properties, Inc. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Dec 20 14:40:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47878 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2012 22:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2012 22:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.174) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2012 22:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP96 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:40:27 -0800 X-EIP: [g6oH3GU1sQtY7IsjgxKHxQhsF4UbK3bn] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP96.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:40:26 -0800 To: References: <1356042984.63319.YahooMailClassic@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:40:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2012 22:40:26.0693 (UTC) FILETIME=[0183E750:01CDDF03] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=pjGbMJ3CN3si8K47GJg5LmZH91JpNhLl8V303FO6RIQm X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd he needs an exciter i know someone here recently got one and was looking for a station to put it to use. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter WOOOHOOO!!!!!!!!!!! --- On Thu, 12/20/12, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: {AMSF} Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 20, 2012, 4:40 PM jason at wsm is looking to put am stereo back on wsm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cooper, Jason" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter Robert - I just found your email address on the radio info board. I had previously just found an address on arrl.org so I sent a postcard. It's on the way. :) Anyway... Quite a while ago you posted about having a Harris AMS-G1 exciter. I am curious as if you may still have this unit and desire to sell or trade it. I am experimenting with turning C-QUAM back on at WSM and I'm looking for one of these units. Thanks! - Jason Jason Cooper WSM Chief Engineer Office: 615 373-5225 | Cell: 615 337-5182 | jcooper@wsmonline.com 2644 McGavock Pike | Nashville, TN 37214 | wsmonline.com WSM is a service of Ryman Hospitality Properties, Inc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: Part 15 AM engineer Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 20 de Dezembro de 2012 19:40 Assunto: {AMSF} Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter =20 jason at wsm is looking to put am stereo back on wsm. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Cooper, Jason" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter Robert - I just found your email address on the radio info board.=A0 I had previousl= y=20 just found an address on arrl.org so I sent a postcard.=A0 It's on the way.= :) Anyway... Quite a while ago you posted about having a Harris AMS-G1 exciter= .=20 I am curious as if you may still have this unit and desire to sell or trade= =20 it. I am experimenting with turning C-QUAM back on at WSM and I'm looking for=20 one of these units. Thanks! - Jason Jason Cooper WSM Chief Engineer Office: 615 373-5225 | Cell: 615 337-5182 |=20 jcooper@wsmonline.com 2644 McGavock Pike | Nashville, TN=A0 37214 |=20 wsmonline.com WSM is a service of Ryman Hospitality Properties, Inc. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Thats some good news about WSM. I hope that h= elps here in the Sacramento Ca area. 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I had written once or twice to WSM in the past a= sking them if they would consider running AM Stereo again. That would really=20 help get the AM Stereo ball rolling to have a 50kw clear channel AM Stereo music=20 station like WSM on the air again. I wish them the best of luck! If they do reinstate AM Stereo I hope= =20 they will promote it over the air. That should generate a lot of listener interest!= =20 Now if we could get CFZM "zoomer" 740 on AM Stereo that would help things along also. They= =20 blanket half the country on a good night. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 12/20/2012 4:40:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20=20 kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: jason at wsm is looking to put am stereo back on wsm.=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 21 06:24:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51149 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2012 14:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2012 14:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.187) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2012 14:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 14:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2012 14:24:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:24:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1356044786.17624.YahooMailNeo@web114518.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter on WSM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=IzN8PEiNlWZ-huqp4L5en3TrHnR-x7OyLuTTwKWlY9mOYwlgDtjPTdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Holy crap! If we could get CQUAM back on WSM, that would be da-bomb! A 50K= W MUSIC, repeat stereo MUSIC station! Damn, they should make a deal with you Kevin - give you 2 plane tickets to = Nashville, one for you, and one for the Harris exciter and let you watch wh= ile they install and activate STEREO AM on the 'Air Castle of the South - W= SM, Nashville'! What a Merry Christmas this could be. Kevin, can you contact WSM and see if your exciter will work for them? Merry Christmas! John From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 21 09:43:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38691 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2012 17:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2012 17:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2012 17:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121221114253000702000010> for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:42:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50D49F98.5060109@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:42:48 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:42:53 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1356042984.63319.YahooMailClassic@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121221-0, 12/21/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=K7NelnF87ACs4tSVfMNRPhZRHqwwtz1RTPlXMPaXj_GfB8x8M3dR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/20/2012 4:40 PM, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: > he needs an exciter i know someone here recently got one and was looking > for > a station to put it to use. > That was this message board's own founder Kevin Tekel. IIRC WSM's transmitter is also a Harris- a 3DX-50, IIRC, so it should play well through that box. Might need a lot of tweaking to go from 1630 to 650, but it can be done. That would be awesome to hear The Grand Ol Opry in stereo again. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 21 09:48:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76549 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2012 17:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2012 17:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-10.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.170) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2012 17:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121221114817001488100010> for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:48:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50D4A0D9.1010302@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:48:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:48:17 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <37a05.59a1cc3c.3e04eac5@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <37a05.59a1cc3c.3e04eac5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121221-0, 12/21/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Sjve45kw-o2KNIS8uz3n50F1dVYU1L3PblKlOTfPS09G9TeUrqhB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/20/2012 4:27 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > This is great news! I had written once or twice to WSM in the past asking > them if they would consider running AM Stereo again. That would really > help get the > AM Stereo ball rolling to have a 50kw clear channel AM Stereo music > station like WSM on the air > again. I wish them the best of luck! If they do reinstate AM Stereo I hope > they will > promote it over the air. That should generate a lot of listener interest! > Now if we could > get CFZM "zoomer" 740 on AM Stereo that would help things along also. They > blanket > half the country on a good night. IIRC CFZM's transmitter site and all is still owned by the Canadian government, so they'd have a lot of bureaucratic red tape to cut through to make that happen. Fortunately upgrading to a stereo STL isn't what it used to be if they have any sort of line of sight path. They can use wireless IP devices which have much less latency than dealing with a normal ISP. Scott Todd From bratina501@msn.com Sat Dec 22 11:41:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79512 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2012 19:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2012 19:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.189) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2012 19:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 19:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2012 19:41:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 19:41:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50D49F98.5060109@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 108.192.79.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 108.192.79.145 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=rbdiy5mO-4FIhpODpWDzN2LvBzwyxQRfgVr-jld9PzSTv0JkXg X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > That was this message board's own founder Kevin Tekel. IIRC WSM's=20 > transmitter is also a Harris- a 3DX-50, IIRC, so it should play well=20 > through that box. Might need a lot of tweaking to go from 1630 to 650,=20 > but it can be done. That would be awesome to hear The Grand Ol Opry in=20 > stereo again. >=20 > Scott Todd > I do not think any tweaking will be needed at all, just a quick crystal cha= nge and the exciter will work on 650 KHz. Those seem to work in a very simi= lar way to the part 15 transmitters Chris Cuff has been selling in terms of= frequency control. They are pretty agile without any sort of adjustments e= xcept to the antenna tuner if one is being used. Assuming WSM still has a s= tereo STL and processor it should just drop into the airchain without much = effort and plug into the RF drive input on the DX50. Some adjustments might= be require for antenna tuning however but they ran C-QUAM through that Bla= w-Knox before and it sounded fantastic. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Dec 22 13:21:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37228 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2012 21:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2012 21:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s31.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.170) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2012 21:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP192 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s31.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:21:20 -0800 X-EIP: [uCGQhcKQ2BZw0dCTwkrJ6dxavwpYBNXu] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP192.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:21:19 -0800 To: References: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:21:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2012 21:21:19.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[48D32C00:01CDE08A] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=d9FXIQFzEDzFAeThEKW5rUcDH34wfDk6LL0G8IqHQQD- X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i have no exciters left but one i am going to use. he emailed me asking if i still had the haris which i don't. so he is looking for an exciter not necessarily a harris, could be a BE, Moto or Delta. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nicholas" To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 12:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > >> That was this message board's own founder Kevin Tekel. IIRC WSM's >> transmitter is also a Harris- a 3DX-50, IIRC, so it should play well >> through that box. Might need a lot of tweaking to go from 1630 to 650, >> but it can be done. That would be awesome to hear The Grand Ol Opry in >> stereo again. >> >> Scott Todd >> > > I do not think any tweaking will be needed at all, just a quick crystal > change and the exciter will work on 650 KHz. Those seem to work in a very > similar way to the part 15 transmitters Chris Cuff has been selling in > terms of frequency control. They are pretty agile without any sort of > adjustments except to the antenna tuner if one is being used. Assuming WSM > still has a stereo STL and processor it should just drop into the airchain > without much effort and plug into the RF drive input on the DX50. Some > adjustments might be require for antenna tuning however but they ran > C-QUAM through that Blaw-Knox before and it sounded fantastic. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From boogie350@yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 13:09:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66112 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2012 21:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2012 21:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2012 21:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2012 21:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.160] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2012 21:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1061.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2012 21:09:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 661386.6322.bm@omp1061.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 47290 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2012 21:09:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P9o8XAEVM1m3vKyhW3a_2hmgSsyh2zKGsVt6rNxOQL2Z.Ld oDbPwdG0AP5uOD_roecz6tbGvXMMG3nLV4855tmNZhFUFqKIrrIKHB4oeOxn JHvFmkRpISymj0y9qas48Mqh3oTiwDR2PdUE20n3S4fNOYZtdjMwodwkitXA 6iqd9H1TmEru90r4gWncjBvxfhj4_H6OgWeaEr0T9VCj2cQnB50ooMbBGD1C F9FHfLO9SDWK.6U7t6byL6ypcYuHVyelzIFk7jga8XLlYMQYPRBjJnF38qLd FyXCSfSABCgTryIn7xog7L9sIlcFSRvuUDo4eIRY99XFcf_ttsnb5BBmM9iu HobrDaajAWKsumWuxU4M96FmevdO7F5YDgdus8hEBcnwscTyErnz3Deh9JCC WJSA_zrISXv6ahfFNhhZ0UEpLrX3Ih_hbYL9u9PvbpwG.RSAE2z0znDXqToz crYZM.MNShT39EOP4eUCpGXzsMwBsX7urLm44sBlbSWuFCu9lRL6sEUId X-Received: from [24.11.64.87] by web121104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:09:43 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SSBoYXZlIGEgSGFycmlzIEFNIHN0ZXJlbyBleGNpdGVyIG9uIG15IHNoZWxmLiBUaGUgZW5naW5lZXIgYXQgNTgwIFdUQ00gZ2F2ZSBpdCB0byBtZSBhIGNvdXBsZSB5ZWFycyBiYWNrLiBJdCdzIHRoZSBlYXJsaWVyIG1vZGVsLCBJIHdhbnQgdG8gc2F5IGFuIFNUWDEgb3Igc29tZXRoaW5nIGxpa2UgdGhhdCAoSSdtIGF3YXkgZnJvbSBpdCBhdCB0aGUgbW9tZW50KS4gIEkgaGF2ZSBubyBpZGVhIHdoZW4gaXQgd2FzIGluIHVzZSBsYXN0LCBidXQgSSBkb24ndCBiZWxpZXZlIGl0IHdhcyBjb252ZXJ0ZWQuIEkBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 Message-ID: <1356296983.35691.YahooMailNeo@web121104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:09:43 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Reply-To: Boogie350 Subject: Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=MSYhgFU8Bj1yPFD3D9ilLM9ulIeB2yaoEx3tIBugGwJnnJJG X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a Harris AM stereo exciter on my shelf. The engineer at 580 WTCM gav= e it to me a couple years back. It's the earlier model, I want to say an ST= X1 or something like that (I'm away from it at the moment). I have no idea= when it was in use last, but I don't believe it was converted. It's pretty= much stock as far as I can tell, still has the plastic packet with the ins= tructions to update it to C-QuAM inside the manual, along with the unapplie= d sticker indicating said conversion. The only thing is the rear metal cove= r on the chassis is missing. So, it would need recapping and converted to C-QuAM.=20 I was originally planning to tinker with it and my part 15 tube TX. Right n= ow, money is too tight to mention (like the Simply Red song!) so if I do an= ything in the AM stereo realm, it'll be to convert my tube TX to stereo via= the three tube stereo TX plans on the antique radio board as I have most o= f the parts on hand to handle that conversion. I think the Harris would be = kinda overkill for this intent I have had my AM shut off lately... ever since the gas company put in a "sm= art meter" on my gas line here, AM is practically useless from the RF interference it creates. My TM=20 152 receiver gets this RFI even sitting within 4 feet of the antenna=20 wire. I can't listen to WOAP anymore because of the annoying heterodyne und= er the signal. I'm 4 miles from 600 WSNL's TX site, right in the main lobe,= and it even tears them up. It just ticks me off to no end! So, I'd probably consider getting rid of it, or possibly trade it for some = processing equipment. I have a part 15 FM that needs a better peak limiter.= .. I've got Sampson and ART limiters running after my MSP-90's now and that= leaves a lot desired as far as overshoot is concerned. It would greatly be= nefit from something like a CRL SMP800 or an Orban 464A. I suppose even an = Aphex Dominator II would be a major improvement. I have an old CBS Volumax = 4110 FM stereo limiter in one of my cabinets around here somewhere, but it'= s in major need of realignment and I haven't been able to run down a manual= for it. Not that it would help the overshoot issue that much anyway as the= y were notorious offenders in that regard. If anyone might be interested in the Harris, let me know. Happy Holidays to everyone! =A0 Eddie & Tami Appreciators of retro music and radio gear [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Dec 24 10:57:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49828 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2012 18:57:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2012 18:57:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173019pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.19) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2012 18:57:24 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.201]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MFJ00BDTTZNGP01@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:57:24 -0600 (CST) Message-id: To: References: <1356042984.63319.YahooMailClassic@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50D49F98.5060109@usfamily.net> In-reply-to: <50D49F98.5060109@usfamily.net> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:57:23 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Merry Christmas! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Merry Christmas and Season=E2=80=99s Greetings to members of AMSF =E2=80=93= many thanks for a year of interesting posts and discussions! Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 13:51:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62616 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2012 21:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2012 21:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.83) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2012 21:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.83] by ng7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2012 21:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2012 21:51:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 21:51:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 71.172.215.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.172.215.214 From: "Kevin" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=f5oG48VWTM0f4jEmtowTYLagvYNCn7-PBHv9eAi-YlUgAHRTRw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just e-mailed Jason and offered him the Harris AMS-G1 exciter which I got= from KCJJ. It will need a few components changed (coils, resistors, capaci= tors) in addition to the crystal to re-tune it to 650 kHz, but the necessar= y parts and values are all indicated in the service manual and schematic, s= o it should not be a difficult task. Kevin T. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer wrot= e: > >=20 > i have no exciters left but one i am going to use. he emailed me asking i= f i=20 > still had the haris which i don't. so he is looking for an exciter not=20 > necessarily a harris, could be a BE, Moto or Delta. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Dec 25 14:01:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12121 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2012 22:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2012 22:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2012 22:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CAE041C0000DC for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:01:03 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 49B11E000085 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:01:03 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <1c243.53b1a284.3e0b7c1e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:01:03 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:478454880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a50da221f0277 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=mtzmNSYOBLfZA-9etyC4HmflMqCgCBSBqXEKAugAYA12qho_s5BG X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Great News! I hope Jason at WSM will take you up on your offer. That would really be putting the old KCJJ exciter to good use to have it end up at 50KW WSM 650. That would be a nice New Years present for a lot of AM Stereo fans to hear WSM in Stereo again! Merry Christmas to all on the list. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 12/25/2012 4:51:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: I just e-mailed Jason and offered him the Harris AMS-G1 exciter which I got from KCJJ. It will need a few components changed (coils, resistors, capacitors) in addition to the crystal to re-tune it to 650 kHz, but the necessary parts and values are all indicated in the service manual and schematic, so it should not be a difficult task. Kevin T. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 25 20:11:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74527 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2012 04:11:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2012 04:11:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-01.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.151) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2012 04:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121225221129002054900011> for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:11:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50DA78EB.70001@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:11:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:11:29 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1356296983.35691.YahooMailNeo@web121104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1356296983.35691.YahooMailNeo@web121104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121225-1, 12/25/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=a7MLoU68La_7-W1aZlfKi3fCLJjhS99NIuSZcSG6lJeLyZLqL-Xs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/23/2012 3:09 PM, Boogie350 wrote: > I have a Harris AM stereo exciter on my shelf. The engineer at 580 WTCM > gave it to me a couple years back. It's the earlier model, I want to say > an STX1 or something like that (I'm away from it at the moment). I have > no idea when it was in use last, but I don't believe it was converted. > It's pretty much stock as far as I can tell, still has the plastic > packet with the instructions to update it to C-QuAM inside the manual, > along with the unapplied sticker indicating said conversion. The only > thing is the rear metal cover on the chassis is missing. > > So, it would need recapping and converted to C-QuAM. > > I was originally planning to tinker with it and my part 15 tube TX. > Right now, money is too tight to mention (like the Simply Red song!) so > if I do anything in the AM stereo realm, it'll be to convert my tube TX > to stereo via the three tube stereo TX plans on the antique radio board > as I have most of the parts on hand to handle that conversion. I think > the Harris would be kinda overkill for this intent > > I have had my AM shut off lately... ever since the gas company put in a > "smart meter" on my gas line here, > AM is practically useless from the RF interference it creates. My TM > 152 receiver gets this RFI even sitting within 4 feet of the antenna > wire. I can't listen to WOAP anymore because of the annoying heterodyne > under the signal. I'm 4 miles from 600 WSNL's TX site, right in the main > lobe, and it even tears them up. It just ticks me off to no end! > > So, I'd probably consider getting rid of it, or possibly trade it for > some processing equipment. I have a part 15 FM that needs a better peak > limiter... I've got Sampson and ART limiters running after my MSP-90's > now and that leaves a lot desired as far as overshoot is concerned. It > would greatly benefit from something like a CRL SMP800 or an Orban 464A. > I suppose even an Aphex Dominator II would be a major improvement. I > have an old CBS Volumax 4110 FM stereo limiter in one of my cabinets > around here somewhere, but it's in major need of realignment and I > haven't been able to run down a manual for it. Not that it would help > the overshoot issue that much anyway as they were notorious offenders in > that regard. > > If anyone might be interested in the Harris, let me know. Don't get rid of it. As a stock Harris system exciter it's a rarity. As for the interference, that so-called "smart meter" is a part 15 device, and as such is prohibited from causing interference. How far away from it do you need to be to get decent AM reception again? If there's nowhere in the house then I'd shield the heck out of it so you can get your AM reception back. I would notify the gas company you're not only doing that but also filing a complaint with the FCC as it appears to be in violation. Scott Todd From boogie350@yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 08:21:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35370 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2012 16:21:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2012 16:21:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm20-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.180) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2012 16:21:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 16:21:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.239] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 16:21:01 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 16:21:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 233379.41023.bm@omp1039.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 4868 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2012 16:21:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TXA21esVM1lD8RcBCo09f5WOb5F2Dw0mdvqUEWe8uYpLBfU p.yo2qFDQbS9P6ANp8na2lbemUIRp3AyQIrdlZlKChN7FyAQujfHHa1HTXy4 xZWjsH..AMk553c5M22KHI4KyRLr3FNzGtL5lx_rVEcvrLAqrf5jWY5rfOaq c3Xli72qSoR.a7R7OvzoF.h2Pp9.jOKTlIVwO0af9.emBhte37FOX4FfRbLz t4LIsK3snGtOn5iP18RPasywXX72Q2KbvnnywwSOvRT5ocLIvQAplDlFyP3F HzdWhoDFjJ1TFxhL_qufBj2I2GWDU4B39FzHbjxINXF6fTwmit95mkG_1JIe uS1R7sZUfRBkqQo48KeiGp8woTpPgau_UVfBHRt5seuSXHpuTDdl3u7cpuD8 6hG9jPCAN5qOPfeDQ0_GpHP45fSKvjY2T5xgGIh8htFbxgL1QbMPkT1Gkcum UJ64Lr08WkDDH6oOgNyBDEHFcbgqPwF19ULN3wy2k6bW5t.Y8zXJpo.eQ X-Received: from [24.11.64.87] by web121104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:21:01 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,TG9va2VkIGF0IHRoZSBleGNpdGVyIHRvZGF5IGFuZCBpdCBpcyBhbiBTVFgtMUEuCgoKwqAKRWRkaWUgJiBUYW1pCkFwcHJlY2lhdG9ycyBvZiBSZXRybyBNdXNpYyBhbmQgUmFkaW9zCgoKRG8geW91IGhhdmUgc29tZSBvbGQgcmVjb3JkcywgcmFkaW9zIG9yIG90aGVyIG9sZCBlbGVjdHJvbmljLXR5cGUgY2x1dHRlciBob2dnaW5nIHlvdXIgc3BhY2U_IEknbGwgZ2xhZGx5IGNvbWUgYW5kIGZldGNoIHRoZW0hIERvIHlvdSBrbm93IG9mIGFueSBnb29kIHRocmlmdCBzdG9yZXMgb3IgZmxlYSBtYXJrZXRzIHcBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 Message-ID: <1356538861.84468.YahooMailNeo@web121104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:21:01 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Reply-To: Boogie350 Subject: Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=4s7ujCEPkI4znDVAKAYDqHWUodPckBx8Iy1n-l3lDmUQYJFr X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looked at the exciter today and it is an STX-1A. =A0 Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter h= ogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good= thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let = me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From boogie350@yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 08:21:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9585 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2012 16:21:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2012 16:21:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.229.26) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2012 16:21:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 16:21:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.163] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 16:21:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 16:21:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 597783.62708.bm@omp1064.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 6386 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2012 16:21:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _BnvlqIVM1khspz9hbFEOzhPsDnz5_2E7zgGOKOX8y2aCOa OeP7QmuyxMhWhVr1iXSsvHMF45YpQPznSwOHS_VCvKfRyv9G13EvM8vInGul IVBYG_rqZ1i2.xLjcqAC07DqsILZbCITOKxr0kpYGIWGXaDbW167dMt4flva WuPD.0Q5YsS._zNhL6LTHxIlfkXPzFh00m4hBmbZJkV4YmlGT5NlJfoWwvXN uenxtHX6gzq9DyCAhMnanluKpWRs0Rtf2zsAe.Co7ETOQuQafzgjGGPfhMzA 4tZCKbgfJmuFXKZOar3KcQPhT9bBJXZ.gcuzRxOdOe55vCYyUacphBL2eDC3 GCgMN6NPtnx5dB4WMhOwzwmAHkwjgCnV6dMvtzMXZORIFFGzTD6YUAQ8GFk9 8pHFw0YB4AcoypAyXuQ9Ix6kL_PkKK13D_OAUbsLd4ICS7mbfPkqrem_jAnb _6OLh1hFBscFrjg0WS.EBrhcNZ3IXXtC3lyqkRqAd_3jczwkJ07wMUUC1 X-Received: from [24.11.64.87] by web121104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:21:41 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,VGhhbmsgeW91IGFuZCBJIHNlY29uZCB0aGF0LgoKCsKgCkVkZGllICYgVGFtaQpBcHByZWNpYXRvcnMgb2YgUmV0cm8gTXVzaWMgYW5kIFJhZGlvcwoKCkRvIHlvdSBoYXZlIHNvbWUgb2xkIHJlY29yZHMsIHJhZGlvcyBvciBvdGhlciBvbGQgZWxlY3Ryb25pYy10eXBlIGNsdXR0ZXIgaG9nZ2luZyB5b3VyIHNwYWNlPyBJJ2xsIGdsYWRseSBjb21lIGFuZCBmZXRjaCB0aGVtISBEbyB5b3Uga25vdyBvZiBhbnkgZ29vZCB0aHJpZnQgc3RvcmVzIG9yIGZsZWEgbWFya2V0cyB3aXRoIHRvbnMgb2YgcmVjb3JkcyABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 Message-ID: <1356538901.4749.YahooMailNeo@web121104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:21:41 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Reply-To: Boogie350 Subject: Re: Merry Christmas! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=WLbfQFnbrHe2w0KOzhOh90QehbF3uOc8O308VPcmKKER0HoW X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you and I second that. =A0 Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter h= ogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good= thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let = me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From boogie350@yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 08:38:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59282 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2012 16:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2012 16:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.59) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2012 16:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 16:38:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.194] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 16:38:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 16:38:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 921973.81012.bm@omp1052.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 46431 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2012 16:38:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6zpmSVsVM1k0OTSZHbFvT4tgTMS7XbnBM7YLbp9vIDZNwLB tuk5MrggU58uNkKNFNziGCqqxarCpYGj2B7pyITjcG3x.WsMCK5dxfSho7lE OaXm9IQGUCqS4qDuzMvIdSa0CfCtsPXYD2VYuxaB1979LXQsoy4a_zQBdrKU Cj2TQM8aVaY9MHy8R9Nnc6lmaQ3MNmRQVJ6G7aeQoTu9eJmgPr0SewWFsoZU acxrrWAnIGWMWaky1IitJFOrFPFbzFQ9uXDhmSHbQVvvIPUyQ_CceOh_1NYE mtZgZFavnt5cai2D5Y9opz4ylC0WKrgBuqJZsBIn2EpoPKFlaCnxK4YTwtt5 69zuCqpZfNH2k6RNRRQhxvp70TJ4EjH6JadoQMBl8R3tpypmgvGdYL53GVnR iyBjDCJHYojZo0eAQNTFqDfKNQY.t72sbHlrGt79f9Ggs.rP8ePBhN2VMMi1 _W81vbMzm2czFAdU2yai6o2RLp1ELlV2O704Bei4Xz_PlvqGrgNhxhCe_ X-Received: from [24.11.64.87] by web121102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:38:56 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,VGhhbmsgeW91IFNjb3R0LCBhbmQgSSdsbCBoYW5nIG9udG8gdGhhdC4gQXMgZm9yIHRoZSBnYXMgbWV0ZXIuLi4gSSBoYXZlbid0IGhhZCB0aW1lIHRvIGNvbnRhY3QgdGhlIHV0aWxpdHkgeWV0IHdpdGggdGhlIGhvbGlkYXlzIGFuZCBzdWNoLCBidXQgaXQncyBvbiBteSBhZ2VuZGEgYXMgaXQgc2VyaW91c2x5IGRpc3J1cHRzIG15IGhvYmJ5LiBJIGRvbid0IGhhdmUgYSBGSU0gdG8gbWVhc3VyZSB0aGUgZmllbGQsIGJ1dCBpdCdzIHByZXR0eSBtdWNoIGNvdmVyaW5nIHRoZSBlbnRpcmUgaG91c2UuIEl0IGEBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 Message-ID: <1356539936.12910.YahooMailNeo@web121102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:38:56 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Reply-To: Boogie350 Subject: Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=BlGniNdL2UZFUxEgGxDbvKO6XXXsKjNZT-Dl6iKm1ctpLZTU X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Scott, and I'll hang onto that. As for the gas meter... I haven't= had time to contact the utility yet with the holidays and such, but it's o= n my agenda as it seriously disrupts my hobby. I don't have a FIM to measur= e the field, but it's pretty much covering the entire house. It also seems = to propagate along the steel gas lines in the house. I tracked it down with= an old Sangean portable radio tuned to it's own IF and the RF gain turned = all the way down. The signal begins to heterodyne over the IF within about = 18" of a gas line and as you go toward the gas meter the strength increases= greatly. As far as I can tell with said radio, the frequency is around 470= kHz. It's either tone modulated or carrier shifted, but I'd go with tone as= when I disconnect the ground wire from one of my turntables I can hear it = in the hum when I put it in cue or pot it up.=20 I collect old table radios and retro stereo gear. Hence the reason I even b= other having an AM transmitter at all. It's infuriating that this disrupts = my hobby as much as it does. =A0 Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 03:18:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78464 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2012 11:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2012 11:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm34-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.229.85) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2012 11:18:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 11:18:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.234] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 11:18:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 11:18:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 358198.7704.bm@omp1034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 18963 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2012 11:18:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rk_Nau4VM1lt1p1b8pQmvpmzbNhAEWMlbwtbvn3fAldGbQu .fsc8GFauR9E63SFrPE3CRWPiZwG31CsrZk5gU0To9G0WlhgwcPx4mmbVKB8 T01yRgD_1uWtRjHVe_p0qT2.QNU2pHDz9c6EOCgJ4zJ6lIx7OFf2HjFaPABS _INSwqH42YGxZAGcIwMabc5JFLiU2jDap2dMhQDIA77PlL6K.6AJWNLLw.zr k.NFEy2vQ2hJT1jQFRa41.JxnEebG7CKqCM_qt5SIkKRyfEc5MWXaxke.ABh gjFMcKXSgBBycGD4LXe2Jcb5STfseZzPN2n8YvZoON8WPyndqxV1Jlf.X8Ad FYrPxO2QPzxQsa_FgQsSnEiR2nwUti4RzN6lfwdB24G30CA7ta.c4yIXdoUk YLXj.M93009cpqNVrl1sUSqzqAwJB9IJi3h8nfRaJLhk4nT1MdJtp.758Vw4 aWOe78X4H2D3BsuWd3YDoSxYT1u40OUjDSv6AsLzymJHLyJBXdaIFiAU7RBp 8HQETA1pKSy8R.s2vBMEnnksfEotdZDCB2V2uHKF_DcuRCCaGy24md8XfI.m d1ZqyboFqOJStANdtzDOYnhTOn0L0.SrIg0hvxQKFkYXQXC_vYdAjzcVoxTE YpV4S0ACu7KeQ1i4- X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 03:18:18 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,aHR0cDovL3d3dy53bWJmbmV3cy5jb20vc3RvcnkvMjAyNzk4OTUvcGF0aWVudC1kaWVzLWZyb20tZHJ1Zy1vdmVyZG9zZS1udXJzZS1jaGFyZ2VkATABAQEB X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 Message-ID: <1356607098.17842.YahooMailClassic@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 03:18:18 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Sad revelation of Bill Norman's death X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=M66dGfRevUVlnXibcrgVCeW6L-CI2I-813MqBj-hoveWqHx5iEVp X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/20279895/patient-dies-from-drug-overdose-nurse-charged [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 07:42:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49564 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2012 15:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2012 15:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.88) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2012 15:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 15:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 15:42:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 15:42:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1356538861.84468.YahooMailNeo@web121104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Harris STX-1A C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Z2AjcuAl8G5ryBhm7MG0T6WHVYh5HH6l0hJQdxT6nJBc0vQ3j_b1SN4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I had an STX-1A and I believe the "A" suffix already had a fixed pilot tone= rather than the moving vector system Harris originally had, and along with= the STX-1A decal was indication that it was converted to 25Hz pilot and on= e other audio change too. Before you apply power, I highly suggest you replace the electrolytics, AND= the Tantalum caps; I had the Tantalums catch on fire on my previous STX-1A= ; we're talking flames, not just smoke. :( 73 John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Dec 27 07:52:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73204 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2012 15:52:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2012 15:52:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.165) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2012 15:52:05 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP185 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:52:04 -0800 X-EIP: [63IrWhOHK2oCfDwcdVe1vmxvcCsAgXhs] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP185.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:52:03 -0800 To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:52:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2012 15:52:03.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D1DFDB0:01CDE44A] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=O-88KEa3r9vYrBuE5WV8FmpF1ovFaLN6iqqcJbDnvGSr X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd let us know if he takes you up on it kevin. i have a TM-152 and Belar LP1 Loop to try and DX wsm from denver colorado in cquam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:51 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter >I just e-mailed Jason and offered him the Harris AMS-G1 exciter which I got >from KCJJ. It will need a few components changed (coils, resistors, >capacitors) in addition to the crystal to re-tune it to 650 kHz, but the >necessary parts and values are all indicated in the service manual and >schematic, so it should not be a difficult task. > > Kevin T. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer > wrote: >> >> >> i have no exciters left but one i am going to use. he emailed me asking >> if i >> still had the haris which i don't. so he is looking for an exciter not >> necessarily a harris, could be a BE, Moto or Delta. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 28 08:29:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74785 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2012 16:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2012 16:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.173) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2012 16:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP198 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:29:34 -0800 X-EIP: [IW/EJMxH6UzSxBEVRGOUD785dufHUj5T] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP198.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:29:33 -0800 To: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 09:29:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2012 16:29:33.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[85198370:01CDE518] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: BE AX10 jumper programming sheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=vNwmyKM2GzYNi6Iq47fWIRWAABG1BMVWojvD94Or1RBK X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd anyone have a copy of the jumper programming chart for the BE AX10 exciter so i can change the frequency on it? also looking for the X-band jumper chart for the motorola 1310. both charts need to cover frequencies in the 1610-1700 X-band From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 28 08:47:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66760 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2012 16:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2012 16:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.162) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2012 16:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP9 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:45:28 -0800 X-EIP: [Xa36hgOc2yuJUjKrpypGuKBaDgal3buo] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP9.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:45:27 -0800 To: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 09:45:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2012 16:45:27.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD756430:01CDE51A] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: high drive on a BE ax10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=gpGDm9chs-CnMgk_VyoHFKxMfv751AteY0hTD2XufuyN X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd is the high drive RF out a full modulated L+R / L-R envelope? From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 28 08:48:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18789 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2012 16:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2012 16:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s18.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.157) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2012 16:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP67 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s18.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:48:54 -0800 X-EIP: [WF6+NM+pnt/Cf6kSTianTz+UCmjLS9dj] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP67.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:48:52 -0800 To: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 09:49:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2012 16:48:53.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[38040E40:01CDE51B] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: BE AX10 jumper programming sheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=pPqa6TdOESp47u7ZXCg6zjlU-_MIYd8CUslVEDtx3gzF X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd anyone have a copy of the jumper programming chart for the BE AX10 exciter so i can change the frequency on it? also looking for the X-band jumper chart for the motorola 1310. both charts need to cover frequencies in the 1610-1700 X-band From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 28 08:56:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83786 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2012 16:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2012 16:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-01.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2012 16:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121228105631000648200011> for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:56:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50DDCF36.9070206@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:56:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:56:31 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1356539936.12910.YahooMailNeo@web121102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1356539936.12910.YahooMailNeo@web121102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121228-0, 12/28/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: Harris AMS-G1 C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=MO12D3f6JbCcGUUz_Dw6E4jNgGHcW_Tf_k_CxaD0k_bcvA1GQi5- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/26/2012 10:39 AM, Boogie350 wrote: > Thank you Scott, and I'll hang onto that. As for the gas meter... I > haven't had time to contact the utility yet with the holidays and such, > but it's on my agenda as it seriously disrupts my hobby. I don't have a > FIM to measure the field, but it's pretty much covering the entire > house. It also seems to propagate along the steel gas lines in the > house. I tracked it down with an old Sangean portable radio tuned to > it's own IF and the RF gain turned all the way down. The signal begins > to heterodyne over the IF within about 18" of a gas line and as you go > toward the gas meter the strength increases greatly. As far as I can > tell with said radio, the frequency is around 470kHz. It's either tone > modulated or carrier shifted, but I'd go with tone as when I disconnect > the ground wire from one of my turntables I can hear it in the hum when > I put it in cue or pot it up. > > I collect old table radios and retro stereo gear. Hence the reason I > even bother having an AM transmitter at all. It's infuriating that this > disrupts my hobby as much as it does. Got a suggestion for you, Eddie- how big is the gas line going into your house? You might want to see if those Radio Shack split ferrites are big enough to go around it. If not you may end up having to get some larger torroids from some place like Amidon and Assoc. But put a bunch of those around the part of the gas line between the meter and the house outside and see if that kills the hash. If you get some torroids you'll probably have to temporarily disconnect the line to get them on. Here's to better AM reception, Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 28 09:20:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39488 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2012 17:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2012 17:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2012 17:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121228111944002634000011> for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:19:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50DDD4A8.8080507@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:19:36 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:19:44 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121228-0, 12/28/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris STX-1A C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=AF48kpJqZ17AlIzDI3M8Ou1i4xU74N-9S-FvZpNua2qsgQUfF_Og X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/27/2012 9:42 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > Before you apply power, I highly suggest you replace the electrolytics, > AND the Tantalum caps; I had the Tantalums catch on fire on my previous > STX-1A; we're talking flames, not just smoke. :( I would recommend any tantalum cap 1uF and smaller be replaced by a film type cap. They make some amazingly small ones nowadays which would fit right in there. Try the WIMA brand MKS series. They actually make them up to 4.7u and if it were me I'd go through the expense to use them though they get rather pricey above 1.0u. That would go for any conventional lytics as well. It's that many fewer you'd have to replace in the future. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 28 10:27:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13056 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2012 18:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2012 18:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-05.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.155) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2012 18:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121228122712001931300011> for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:27:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50DDE477.7060406@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:27:03 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:27:12 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121228-0, 12/28/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=0_l4SR8hVXE0DnNf6BwmVfemFU6_hCIi47O16SP_3MjIye2yFFGY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/28/2012 10:49 AM, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: > anyone have a copy of the jumper programming chart for the BE AX10 exciter > so i can change the frequency on it? > > also looking for the X-band jumper chart for the motorola 1310. > > both charts need to cover frequencies in the 1610-1700 X-band > The BE should be on their website, probably under discontinued items. Don't know about the Moto stuff, though I suspect Mike Patton who regularly advertises in Radio World would likely know. Scott Todd From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 28 11:19:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96242 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2012 19:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2012 19:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.160) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2012 19:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP397 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:19:20 -0800 X-EIP: [TlU6zEZv+82EQHW1BJPO44OpgLVAVPHu] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP397.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:19:19 -0800 To: References: <50DDE477.7060406@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:19:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2012 19:19:19.0402 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C276CA0:01CDE530] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=vkkvxpGz-Z4dxdvcK5XGwQMtCFMJseVLOqw0ighF-io7 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd it's not on their site or in the manual and i knew someone on here has the sheet for the xband on the motorola monitors. i remember an old post concerning operation on aband some years ago and someone had the info for the poster. i am, hoping they are still around. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets > On 12/28/2012 10:49 AM, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: >> anyone have a copy of the jumper programming chart for the BE AX10 >> exciter >> so i can change the frequency on it? >> >> also looking for the X-band jumper chart for the motorola 1310. >> >> both charts need to cover frequencies in the 1610-1700 X-band >> > > The BE should be on their website, probably under discontinued items. > Don't know about the Moto stuff, though I suspect Mike Patton who > regularly advertises in Radio World would likely know. > > Scott Todd > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Dec 29 05:28:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21338 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2012 13:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2012 13:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2012 13:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2012 13:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2012 13:28:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:28:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.207.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.207.136 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=wSo0rX8_KE-_ktNGZZkOqpSNEO2lNebScZg5ttEo1ac X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Page 74 look at table 5-1 ! it's all there in the manual of it!=20 However as I've foynd there are two versions of it! The olders are only cap= able to do US band channel allocation, while the newer models have the PLL = ability to work either 10 or 9KHz channel selection! The PLL is a bit difer= ent and there are two DIP switch banks for the older models while the newer= have three, as it is on the manual! So if you have the older model you mig= ht want another setting. If you say what frequency you want it to work I'll= check it over mine and let's you know the appropriate settings.=20 Best regards & Happy new year to all...=20 Sotiris Pdmtr=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer wrot= e: > > it's not on their site or in the manual >=20 > and i knew someone on here has the sheet for the xband on the motorola=20 > monitors. i remember an old post concerning operation on aband some years= =20 > ago and someone had the info for the poster. >=20 > i am, hoping they are still around. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Scott Todd" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets >=20 >=20 > > On 12/28/2012 10:49 AM, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: > >> anyone have a copy of the jumper programming chart for the BE AX10=20 > >> exciter > >> so i can change the frequency on it? > >> > >> also looking for the X-band jumper chart for the motorola 1310. > >> > >> both charts need to cover frequencies in the 1610-1700 X-band > >> > > > > The BE should be on their website, probably under discontinued items. > > Don't know about the Moto stuff, though I suspect Mike Patton who > > regularly advertises in Radio World would likely know. > > > > Scott Todd > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Dec 29 06:28:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42018 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2012 14:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2012 14:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s15.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2012 14:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP268 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:28:31 -0800 X-EIP: [fJe6phv+4pSAtBhuBWoSapCeXdTta+9+] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP268.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 06:28:30 -0800 To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:28:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2012 14:28:30.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6568690:01CDE5D0] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ySHSdihiJILm7Wkep7zWs4_QhJYVFkviy9xVT00fZnKy X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i found them. is that RF out a full modulated L+R/L-R envelope? can it be used as a stand alone transmitter or to feed a linear or is it just QuAM and it still needing to be hooked to a transmitter in the traditional manner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pdmtr" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 6:28 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets > Page 74 look at table 5-1 ! it's all there in the manual of it! > However as I've foynd there are two versions of it! The olders are only > capable to do US band channel allocation, while the newer models have the > PLL ability to work either 10 or 9KHz channel selection! The PLL is a bit > diferent and there are two DIP switch banks for the older models while the > newer have three, as it is on the manual! So if you have the older model > you might want another setting. If you say what frequency you want it to > work I'll check it over mine and let's you know the appropriate settings. > Best regards & Happy new year to all... > Sotiris Pdmtr > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer > wrote: >> >> it's not on their site or in the manual >> >> and i knew someone on here has the sheet for the xband on the motorola >> monitors. i remember an old post concerning operation on aband some years >> ago and someone had the info for the poster. >> >> i am, hoping they are still around. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Todd" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:27 AM >> Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets >> >> >> > On 12/28/2012 10:49 AM, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: >> >> anyone have a copy of the jumper programming chart for the BE AX10 >> >> exciter >> >> so i can change the frequency on it? >> >> >> >> also looking for the X-band jumper chart for the motorola 1310. >> >> >> >> both charts need to cover frequencies in the 1610-1700 X-band >> >> >> > >> > The BE should be on their website, probably under discontinued items. >> > Don't know about the Moto stuff, though I suspect Mike Patton who >> > regularly advertises in Radio World would likely know. >> > >> > Scott Todd >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Dec 29 07:14:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20896 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2012 15:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2012 15:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2012 15:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2012 15:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2012 15:14:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:14:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.207.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.207.136 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=uc6w-l97J4M6PF5ongdTZl7sTo7dZ16MazlmuVdlgto X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr The RF OUT is the QUADRATURE carrier signal, not Amplitude modulated. This = one is to drive as replacement of the oscillator a bigger transmitter. Ther= e is the SAMPLE XMTR output that is exactly what you are looking for. That = one can behave as a Part15 AM CQUAM Transmitter... or amplified by an exter= nal LINEAR amplifier!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer wrot= e: > > i found them. >=20 > is that RF out a full modulated L+R/L-R envelope? can it be used as a sta= nd=20 > alone transmitter or to feed a linear or is it just QuAM and it still=20 > needing to be hooked to a transmitter in the traditional manner. >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "pdmtr" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 6:28 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets >=20 >=20 > > Page 74 look at table 5-1 ! it's all there in the manual of it! > > However as I've foynd there are two versions of it! The olders are only= =20 > > capable to do US band channel allocation, while the newer models have t= he=20 > > PLL ability to work either 10 or 9KHz channel selection! The PLL is a b= it=20 > > diferent and there are two DIP switch banks for the older models while = the=20 > > newer have three, as it is on the manual! So if you have the older mode= l=20 > > you might want another setting. If you say what frequency you want it t= o=20 > > work I'll check it over mine and let's you know the appropriate setting= s. > > Best regards & Happy new year to all... > > Sotiris Pdmtr > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer =20 > > wrote: > >> > >> it's not on their site or in the manual > >> > >> and i knew someone on here has the sheet for the xband on the motorola > >> monitors. i remember an old post concerning operation on aband some ye= ars > >> ago and someone had the info for the poster. > >> > >> i am, hoping they are still around. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message -----=20 > >> From: "Scott Todd" > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:27 AM > >> Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets > >> > >> > >> > On 12/28/2012 10:49 AM, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: > >> >> anyone have a copy of the jumper programming chart for the BE AX10 > >> >> exciter > >> >> so i can change the frequency on it? > >> >> > >> >> also looking for the X-band jumper chart for the motorola 1310. > >> >> > >> >> both charts need to cover frequencies in the 1610-1700 X-band > >> >> > >> > > >> > The BE should be on their website, probably under discontinued items= . > >> > Don't know about the Moto stuff, though I suspect Mike Patton who > >> > regularly advertises in Radio World would likely know. > >> > > >> > Scott Todd > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Dec 29 07:17:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18853 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2012 15:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2012 15:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2012 15:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP475 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:17:51 -0800 X-EIP: [19cVLZ7NNU2q8xJKtEa11F6WEKwK8bWL] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP475.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:17:50 -0800 To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:18:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2012 15:17:50.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAA21250:01CDE5D7] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=hlTn6Lj-K7Vww0JzfquSfZAhGGtfWiMKr0_IgNt4p3Hh X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd that is what i thought. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pdmtr" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 8:14 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets > The RF OUT is the QUADRATURE carrier signal, not Amplitude modulated. This > one is to drive as replacement of the oscillator a bigger transmitter. > There is the SAMPLE XMTR output that is exactly what you are looking for. > That one can behave as a Part15 AM CQUAM Transmitter... or amplified by an > external LINEAR amplifier! > > Best regards > Sotiris Pdmtr > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer > wrote: >> >> i found them. >> >> is that RF out a full modulated L+R/L-R envelope? can it be used as a >> stand >> alone transmitter or to feed a linear or is it just QuAM and it still >> needing to be hooked to a transmitter in the traditional manner. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "pdmtr" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 6:28 AM >> Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets >> >> >> > Page 74 look at table 5-1 ! it's all there in the manual of it! >> > However as I've foynd there are two versions of it! The olders are only >> > capable to do US band channel allocation, while the newer models have >> > the >> > PLL ability to work either 10 or 9KHz channel selection! The PLL is a >> > bit >> > diferent and there are two DIP switch banks for the older models while >> > the >> > newer have three, as it is on the manual! So if you have the older >> > model >> > you might want another setting. If you say what frequency you want it >> > to >> > work I'll check it over mine and let's you know the appropriate >> > settings. >> > Best regards & Happy new year to all... >> > Sotiris Pdmtr >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> it's not on their site or in the manual >> >> >> >> and i knew someone on here has the sheet for the xband on the motorola >> >> monitors. i remember an old post concerning operation on aband some >> >> years >> >> ago and someone had the info for the poster. >> >> >> >> i am, hoping they are still around. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Scott Todd" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:27 AM >> >> Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX10 jumper programming sheets >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 12/28/2012 10:49 AM, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: >> >> >> anyone have a copy of the jumper programming chart for the BE AX10 >> >> >> exciter >> >> >> so i can change the frequency on it? >> >> >> >> >> >> also looking for the X-band jumper chart for the motorola 1310. >> >> >> >> >> >> both charts need to cover frequencies in the 1610-1700 X-band >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > The BE should be on their website, probably under discontinued >> >> > items. >> >> > Don't know about the Moto stuff, though I suspect Mike Patton who >> >> > regularly advertises in Radio World would likely know. >> >> > >> >> > Scott Todd >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From boogie350@yahoo.com Sat Dec 29 08:26:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: boogie350@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31402 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2012 16:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2012 16:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.85) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2012 16:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2012 16:26:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.172] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2012 16:26:54 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2012 16:26:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 565386.23222.bm@omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 14943 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2012 16:26:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MJIr3DEVM1n1I2KNHHsuNQZnPDk_WzzbRxsuzXIvvigR1X6 jWlT15NG0xJipC41A5Uwhos0XEAB_IY7lGIHk.Da5w.GE8mKqvzbvPs.qk9x Hhw0AAsicMnd2bxw95cefuRNxMEK3mQsxs6AMUxqLVaHvagqtEOPK64DacC1 fyrNpGh4gjNMXLZGFbtlM8kYIr6tQ6Mae8YNidbFnQLF4nrX4vwKiwvFslnl nJVKoD0eBHthkJmbkOiOwLO7qZkbZexuSS8fO8YZyD2hdIhxYJIMglM72D0y 0PBAh2L8Na4_b3ehnHAqQeiGxIH0OnWl9HWYbu0wK8isEMqHVXJqQbrDwKuJ 2N7akxOAu2bpT.9P7rmvSKMRbxWRGgp1N02UIkeci4ZDogEv1XXnop8wvCP0 0V1pb.gV8lAJUJcEFceZDxPyWx0ePLRqA0miBvQAjDC0CRNDSGnr.9hf9AKz VeFNeGR6sNf17fE9sJtQv6KZSd6dfZUG7DKNBWNCH5Z2L3O1D3HxWn95g X-Received: from [24.11.64.87] by web121102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:26:54 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,WW91J3JlIG5vdCB0aGUgb25seSBvbmUgd2hvIGhhZCBvbmUgb2YgdGhvc2UgU1RYLTFBJ3MgYnVybiB1cC4gVGhleSBoYWQgbWFqb3IgY2hlYXAgY2FwcyBpbiB0aGVtwqAgSSB3b3VsZG4ndCBkcmVhbSBvZiBwb3dlcmluZyBpdCB1cCB3aXRob3V0IGNoYW5naW5nIHRoZW0gYWxsIG91dCBmaXJzdC4gRnVubnkgdGhpbmcgaXMsIEkndmUgaGFkIGdlYXIgdGhhdCB3YXMgNzAgeWVhcnMgb2xkIHN0aWxsIHJ1bm5pbmcgb24gc3RvY2sgY2FwcyB3aXRob3V0IGluY2lkZW50LCBhbHRob3VnaCBhcyBhIHJ1bGUsIEkBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 Message-ID: <1356798414.14543.YahooMailNeo@web121102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:26:54 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.90.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Boogie350 Reply-To: Boogie350 Subject: Re: Harris STX-1A C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=78918750; y=HIzfxS8GEguYE14HPaTdgXUwEj6CSNMjYalAvtFht05UA_Fo X-Yahoo-Profile: boogie350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You're not the only one who had one of those STX-1A's burn up. They had maj= or cheap caps in them=A0 I wouldn't dream of powering it up without changin= g them all out first. Funny thing is, I've had gear that was 70 years old s= till running on stock caps without incident, although as a rule, I change t= he PS caps out before running something.=20 I do not have a variometer or autotransformer, so if I MUST power something= old up before restoring it, I use a trick that an old engineer friend of m= ine used to use when putting stored gear back into service... power it up f= or 1 second, thirty seconds off, back on for one second, another 30 off, re= peating for about twenty minutes, feeling the rectifier diodes and transfor= mer for excessive heat, listening for hum and sniffing for smoke. I usually= only do this to verify if something is at all functional. Generally, if th= ere isn't "poppencorken mit spitzensparken" within the first three or four = cycles, it'll usually hold up long enough to test basic functioning and fig= ure out what it'll need to restore it. I've had some ancient tube gear that= functioned perfectly after years in storage as well as some solid state ge= ar that blew fuses on the first try. Some of that old tube gear was almost = indestructible because it was designed to last for decades as opposed to the throwaway "swap the card out" designs of later model gear. = Most of the old stuff is just like new again after changing a few caps, a l= ittle realignment and cleaning the pots and switches.=A0=20 Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 30 12:54:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91169 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2012 20:54:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2012 20:54:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2012 20:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20121230145355001395500011> for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 14:53:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50E0A9D7.1010402@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 14:53:43 -0600 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 14:53:55 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121230-0, 12/30/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Harris STX-1A C-QUAM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=JN3twgNkWpY-ZRcI31EkFLaEsvQEcB5QHwvLBzkj6Q9OIv-AV1fS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/27/2012 9:42 AM, toledohamradio wrote: > Before you apply power, I highly suggest you replace the electrolytics, > AND the Tantalum caps; I had the Tantalums catch on fire on my previous > STX-1A; we're talking flames, not just smoke. :( I'm about to rebuild a Harris AMS-G1. They must have learned their lesson as there aren't any tantalums in that, though they do use similar monolithic ceramics to the ones which gave me the trouble in some Orban 9100s at my last job. Scott Todd From brian32m@yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 07:09:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian32m@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57901 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2012 15:09:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2012 15:09:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.214.252) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2012 15:09:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2012 15:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2012 15:09:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:09:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.33.171.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.33.171.141 From: "brian54660" Subject: considering am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101564996; y=EJWzBBbSE_U1hfAhikoQv17Fwhf_vmjptKFqYDobIYn6YTs X-Yahoo-Profile: brian54660 Hello. My wife and I own an AM Station in Western Wisconsin. Im considering using= AM Stereo, but some questions. Do the new HD Radios actually receive AM S= tereo? Also, Ive been told if I get an AM Stereo Transmitter, the range wi= ll be less than in mono. True? False? Finally do the new Nautels and BE t= ransmitters have AM Stereo built in or do I have to find the old motorola e= xciters? Thanks for the help/suggestions. From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Mon Dec 31 09:47:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40123 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2012 17:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2012 17:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.148) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2012 17:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2012 17:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2012 17:47:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:47:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.2.15.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.2.15.134 From: "bigsatbsb" Subject: Re: considering am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=ZSJZlVs9IQ92Tud2Gvfl7MjGQ4J9MmbBCm9yqMdVZNQo6zI1 X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Alex Hartman On Facebook(http://www.facebook.com/groups/385327984878627/) M= ost HD radios can pick it up, though some reverse L and R. As for range, i = doubt it'd affect that, it's AM after all. As for the Nautels, Jeff Welton = told me that they haven't made an AM stereo board for the XRs ... You'd hav= e to use an external exciter into the "ext rf in" port on the exciter board= . He also said don't use the Nautel one they made a while ago, the Moto, BE= , and others handled Day/Night better than theirs. Not sure about the BE. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "brian54660" wrote: > > Hello. >=20 > My wife and I own an AM Station in Western Wisconsin. Im considering usi= ng AM Stereo, but some questions. Do the new HD Radios actually receive AM= Stereo? Also, Ive been told if I get an AM Stereo Transmitter, the range = will be less than in mono. True? False? Finally do the new Nautels and BE= transmitters have AM Stereo built in or do I have to find the old motorola= exciters? Thanks for the help/suggestions. > From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Mon Dec 31 09:51:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91070 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2012 17:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2012 17:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.135) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2012 17:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2012 17:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2012 17:51:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:51:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.2.15.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.2.15.134 From: "bigsatbsb" Subject: Re: considering am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=TBCj_LJyzQXYD1JgD8A4cRQmrbeg6469yZC9a8MZ44oYLohY X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Jd Ford answer (http://www.facebook.com/groups/385327984878627/) MOST of th= e HD Radios that Ive come across do Decode C QUAM.. THE BE Line of Am Trans= mitters will come with the C Quam AM Stereo Card. Nautel NO Longer makes on= e. but YOU Could use an External Exciter with it. If you just have to go Na= utel I Prefer the BE --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bigsatbsb" wrote: > > Alex Hartman On Facebook(http://www.facebook.com/groups/385327984878627/)= Most HD radios can pick it up, though some reverse L and R. As for range, = i doubt it'd affect that, it's AM after all. As for the Nautels, Jeff Welto= n told me that they haven't made an AM stereo board for the XRs ... You'd h= ave to use an external exciter into the "ext rf in" port on the exciter boa= rd. He also said don't use the Nautel one they made a while ago, the Moto, = BE, and others handled Day/Night better than theirs. Not sure about the BE. >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "brian54660" wrote: > > > > Hello. > >=20 > > My wife and I own an AM Station in Western Wisconsin. Im considering u= sing AM Stereo, but some questions. Do the new HD Radios actually receive = AM Stereo? Also, Ive been told if I get an AM Stereo Transmitter, the rang= e will be less than in mono. True? False? Finally do the new Nautels and = BE transmitters have AM Stereo built in or do I have to find the old motoro= la exciters? Thanks for the help/suggestions. > > > From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Mon Dec 31 13:12:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69127 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2012 21:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2012 21:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2012 21:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2012 21:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2012 21:12:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:12:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 201.2.15.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.2.15.134 From: "bigsatbsb" Subject: new year 2013 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=yRJvEBXdJezAsqTur6ZwL4rBwvKKiKxWrkRT2QsGo6tcKHM4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb happy new year!to all... 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Stereo!=C2=A0 Some of th= e new HD radios receive stereo and some do not.=C2=A0 I know you have to as= k BE to add the stereo card into their XMTR. and as for the range, I've hea= rd things both ways.=C2=A0 I view the fringe coverage as being so far in th= e noise that it's academic. Hope this helps!=C2=A0 Happy New Year! Jay Rogers N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 PG00039830 --- On Mon, 12/31/12, brian54660 wrote: From: brian54660 Subject: {AMSF} considering am stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 31, 2012, 10:09 AM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hello. My wife and I own an AM Station in Western Wisconsin. Im considering using= AM Stereo, but some questions. Do the new HD Radios actually receive AM S= tereo? Also, Ive been told if I get an AM Stereo Transmitter, the range wi= ll be less than in mono. True? False? Finally do the new Nautels and BE t= ransmitters have AM Stereo built in or do I have to find the old motorola e= xciters? Thanks for the help/suggestions. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Dec 31 20:14:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10547 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2013 04:14:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2013 04:14:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173019pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.19) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2013 04:14:17 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.201]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MFX00KU5IFRTLI1@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:14:16 -0600 (CST) Message-id: To: References: In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:14:15 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." 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Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jan 01 10:07:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25767 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2013 18:07:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2013 18:07:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2013 18:07:21 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130101120710000560100010> for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 12:07:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50E325CB.4040703@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 12:07:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 12:07:10 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130101-1, 01/01/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} considering am stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=X6ihLz3BbMs1zJvrXZvFzy9eWyD9TkbY6yAOQUlnipJ4VBZuSZwH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 12/31/2012 9:10 AM, brian54660 wrote: > Hello. > > My wife and I own an AM Station in Western Wisconsin. Im considering > using AM Stereo, but some questions. Do the new HD Radios actually > receive AM Stereo? Also, Ive been told if I get an AM Stereo > Transmitter, the range will be less than in mono. True? False? Finally > do the new Nautels and BE transmitters have AM Stereo built in or do I > have to find the old motorola exciters? Thanks for the help/suggestions. The last AM stereo station I knew of in western WI was WAQE in Rice Lake, but they were off the air for several weeks late last summer and when they came back on they were mono. They had been sports for a few years so there wasn't much stereo anyway. Anyhoo, I think only Delta makes new AM stereo generators anymore. They're good units. Not sure if BE still supplies AM stereo boards with their transmitters even on request. If you buy used, BE is good and the Motorola 1400 series which are essentially a re-badged BE with a different front panel, switches and meters. If you get a Harris make sure it's their AMS-G1 and not their earlier model, the STX series. Motorola's older 1300 series takes a bit more to get working right if changing frequency, but likely they'll be the cheapest to obtain. Your range shouldn't suffer with AM stereo. One station claimed that it did, but I've never noticed a difference and I've been doing radio engineering for most of my adult life. I would like to have been there when KCJJ was doing their tests. Likely I could point out what they were observing or perhaps they were using a poorly designed radio. I will say you might not want to do a full 125% positive modulation for best fidelity and separation, but you should be able to do 115% without too much penalty. Let me know if I can be of any help as I get through western WI at least once a month. Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 02 11:52:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8146 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2013 19:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2013 19:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.88) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2013 19:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 19:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 19:52:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 19:52:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50E325CB.4040703@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: WSM-650 AM Stereo Status? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=3Rd0sG-Wwh95wzAClhC11057A3u-Dxy9LoHsBsHXW5I3v3EjrSF5x_g X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can anybody report if WSM is still serious about doing CQUAM again on the "= Air Castle of the South"? That would be a great deal for the New Year! John From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 01:52:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71612 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2013 09:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2013 09:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.229.27) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2013 09:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2013 09:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.240] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2013 09:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2013 09:52:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 181309.19199.bm@omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 74154 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2013 09:52:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DPoqM1QVM1kyfSaalKW_5M9ltIQTEktS5KPqBmDWUH1jjnY XdaaBJjnEL9fWiom8OxlhWu6U0sFD58ny2MI17c_ano0iSfodsIwegRHDhoj 8F6BpP9Ld1WNBoK1BjxEy8hWaB7ruILAJMtrfpq9KwylyvSw7SU9GqwuGI_Y Z0stkclpAeXsJFcoiR6IKzY7HxDitCWHXIy97rUqZYxn2GEfe3QEUCAq21hB vgwOxicIzduFarxs3YoM2_Hu0F6Y9D3uk9leLrsIkh1rkMgYmqMcTJfo7SjC D56qr1Pn_brg_E6ioJBIVi9AtgAcQ5RuW1WD2OzlQFtYp7qsErO__LHzBiVK 1pG_aVHyFi_FhKCe1_F0mA63O8blYXbC_Ow_5SPv_DG67pIxJJfW.XMxSMOU ThmpPNcGr6XRK4oSm0unzoKPSil2fuopNKnyk0xtHsjMoHzAKTRE5PI_OlNE dSI_TxrsidO1nQ0YJRTSAmKTmN_iiEi8tykkUFYu_.JLw1.6_ToeLtvslGvB gE2.GKd.0saeQi7PvX3eAtdo3C18LILKgVUdPgHbmAX_H7xtAIsSzhPU.H6a eMgFVUAyYGXIbiYvyPQ3RuITDMyOpAJfOtM9sA6Mk92hA_OCjtf2qqj7bD2K 1tKse5F0we3olx4sM68VSBv.9.s3K6tun1bZFPkUmrQzFQCvsN.J2dvf6BM7 oew6NX0mh7Aj4SpLkM1T_OQKlb3MaPMXCik4yhneW71CCc6gRYrzipsPFS.n srcUX_Iyqe6QSZVYPd2vQchlcD5LmnRgC5FWsrlArGeT8zDOKa35TUx_Kqdr 5HmzlApjAsDtwlw9wSO.e2K7t0.nnk5Y.YOYqdvGB42exkbbrx1Kx2Yf9IK0 nbNf9uTeVcs17wnunqJTcyqIJMRHkYEK1rSOEkzkQ8dqpS9_w2hAzZv.QZv7 Pu.Q.uHTaoiVIv7VJz_PkOWBcKziXqyw8OxxNCONpFRsW6n6pM9FBP.yzWWV ZOQfeiX_fwjGY9epgCvHFR3.hzLZvo33ppWZO6Hxaz4xl9dEEVqhg3Xd5Amn rFv9RwmY0mTbpja1Ua.Y2X6j5PGaRAfVNMdS4oyOc073rIzAb.EkGkj5Hi1C YJ7hxbNB6yqXhgjqLWHFw76hNupWoWkcqEbDlCpfcl6IUxZ9rIDxNGgqCbKy XF1.KRMZhzpgpm8e_GD_D989Nnv_oHzu8eZRT17fPb6bcHhfR6ky6EqProE1 rdGGnBGsUD16LIlHoLsoi6IPhL33cSnQCN0Tk_FnZ1j8B32tnQiI7vUMIMYg decAL3eu4RkjTqvUS0z2EoxltY4HPYTPVrrESf6aIB3sfoHpYA.R6gxpGWeC ZHJLFuVeYOD6TNk3tYxkviJPUguveBQ80ELw8XJgv1IbecEbqvZxNYTfFL_1 exsPPql5CiT1pl1bmZeGmS8IDsu0lUc.cF8ATz.laJUFpev44S6AQjojPz8D Wh.rvpsKgSh2yLG9cZqdUE4h_3qqB.e6aWVANle.QqxZsTYjGARfOVU9q9CP OeZsUoZ1lO1za5wU7z6wLdUXoww0Ob1ZMSJ9GjNLCBPu9WTGBpymD_Eq5hll ZBM3KcuDiH16NE33EciryisVN6_kVgrBw0f5MoQWFqmayS0S_IvZDGZC22XO p4v.t63LAhXu8eybwLG1anPJdqF9j98D4xuxPp02Rur57Q79Aepe.iPOe._c OOn8OJ9qnB21FqRRDCw5h5luJilcl9pi62ZUez_VQguaLEpsl66wUNTmc4ck XyNEJV66Q00YhtWHlte38QRMDH5p6s34_tcO2fPYDUJzXZ8061W1vmyWEECB U4JCXGP19FsTpd7wxRFoQ1_28HS2qHA-- X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:52:32 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SSBjYW4ndCBidXQgYWdyZWUgdGhhdCB3b3VsZCBiZSBBV0VTT01FISEhDQoNCi0tLSBPbiBXZWQsIDEvMi8xMywgdG9sZWRvaGFtcmFkaW8gPHRvbGVkb2hhbXJhZGlvQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCkZyb206IHRvbGVkb2hhbXJhZGlvIDx0b2xlZG9oYW1yYWRpb0B5YWhvby5jb20.DQpTdWJqZWN0OiB7QU1TRn0gV1NNLTY1MCBBTSBTdGVyZW8gU3RhdHVzPw0KVG86IGFtc3RlcmVvZm9ydW1AeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tDQpEYXRlOiBXZWRuZXNkYXksIEphbnVhcnkgMiwgMjAxMywgMjo1MiBQTQ0KDQoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 Message-ID: <1357293152.73369.YahooMailClassic@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:52:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSM-650 AM Stereo Status? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=s3jmop9RahtsOveEbKbc3EFGsrFH8wlQwvqzy4-ONRYlswSq-1vr X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't but agree that would be AWESOME!!! --- On Wed, 1/2/13, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} WSM-650 AM Stereo Status? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 2:52 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Can anybody report if WSM is still serious about doing CQUAM again on= the "Air Castle of the South"? That would be a great deal for the New Yea= r! John =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Jan 04 13:34:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89420 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2013 21:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2013 21:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2013 21:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B7F951C0000B5 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgc002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 84A52E000088 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <2b344.561e6aed.3e18a4f9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:328117952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c950e74af95f34 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Delta ASE-1 AM Stereo Exciter On eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=ax0tw62BpoNfcTVOPbGDvdxSdjsi1raUxft4QWiGQjXTMchUnFqL X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In case anyone may be interested there is a Delta ASE-1 AM Stereo Exciter for sale on eBay this week. Current bid price is $9.99 as of 01/04/13. 190779664370 73 - Todd WD4NGG From bratina501@msn.com Fri Jan 04 16:21:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6915 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2013 00:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2013 00:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.168) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2013 00:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 00:21:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2013 00:21:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 00:21:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2b344.561e6aed.3e18a4f9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 108.192.79.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 108.192.79.145 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: Delta ASE-1 AM Stereo Exciter On eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=C4bkt7oKoilEF4eI0N4umGDJ6eNa9viHhERQiHrgZzQa9I5sWg X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I read the auction for the exciter and it says the location of the seller i= s Spokane Washington and that its tuned to 920 KHz. After seeing this I ins= tantly knew what radio station it came from and that was KXLY 920. So basic= ally whoever wins this will be buying the exciter system that was used by t= hem from 1987 until sometime in the late 1990s or early 2000s. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > In case anyone may be interested there is a > Delta ASE-1 AM Stereo Exciter for sale on eBay this week. > Current bid price is $9.99 as of 01/04/13. >=20 >=20 > 190779664370 >=20 >=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 06 20:07:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13253 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2013 04:07:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2013 04:07:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2013 04:07:23 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130106220701001757700011> for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:07:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50EA49E6.6090306@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:07:02 -0600 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:07:01 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130106-1, 01/06/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delta ASE-1 AM Stereo Exciter On eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=2JZ6aGU6r21EkJzqe6rVc5kGYV-0qKv_fQ-zMQGF-hN8Y6C7xbcs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/4/2013 6:21 PM, nicholas wrote: > > I read the auction for the exciter and it says the location of the > seller is Spokane Washington and that its tuned to 920 KHz. After seeing > this I instantly knew what radio station it came from and that was KXLY > 920. So basically whoever wins this will be buying the exciter system > that was used by them from 1987 until sometime in the late 1990s or > early 2000s. I'd have bid on it myself but the shipping alone would kill my budget. Got a lot of first of the year expenses facing me. Scott Todd From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jan 07 12:05:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20685 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2013 20:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2013 20:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yh0-f48.google.com) (209.85.213.48) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2013 20:05:02 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yh0-f48.google.com with SMTP id q46so3182324yhf.35 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:05:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.126.135 with SMTP id b7mr11209039yhi.18.1357589101574; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:05:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.14] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d66sm68257221yhe.1.2013.01.07.12.04.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:05:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50EB2A66.6010902@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:04:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Gee.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=z3mF1loVKnzbsYjH0qI0e9g0ncCHSb6C4zGAzPfHqq0FO2SlLNiIzCu8JpFDlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ... this could only be one station: (listed on radiotvdeals.com ) South Carolina AM Station *Market Rank* Mkt 51--100 *Asking Price* $495,000.00 *Selling or Leasing More Properties in Same Mkt?* Stand Alone *Seller Financing Available?* Consider Seller Financing *Will Seller LMA?* No *Ad Headline* South Carolina - Myrtle Beach, AM, Low dial postion *Description* Class: B Coverage: Myrtle Beach Digital: Yes Hours: Unlimited Equipment: State of the art Real Estate: Substantial real estate included Cash Flow: Positive *DealMAKER!* 08/22/2012 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 07 12:19:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7927 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2013 20:19:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2013 20:19:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.31) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2013 20:19:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2013 20:19:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2013 20:19:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 20:19:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50EB2A66.6010902@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 96.56.206.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: Gee.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=pcMDZ9R_ffpJ2h-JazwpxZXbr8XGVOcZzfYqMyU9mOGgRyAF-g X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It could also be WFMO...=20 http://radio-locator.com/info/WFMO-AM --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > > ... this could only be one station: (listed on radiotvdeals.com=20 > ) >=20 > South Carolina=20 > AM Station > *Market Rank* Mkt 51--100 > *Asking Price* $495,000.00 >=20 >=20=09 > *Selling or Leasing More Properties in Same Mkt?* Stand Alone > *Seller Financing Available?* Consider Seller Financing > *Will Seller LMA?* No >=20 > *Ad Headline* South Carolina - Myrtle Beach, AM, Low dial postion > *Description*=20=09 >=20 > Class: B >=20 > Coverage: Myrtle Beach >=20 > Digital: Yes >=20 > Hours: Unlimited >=20 > Equipment: State of the art >=20 > Real Estate: Substantial real estate included >=20 > Cash Flow: Positive >=20 > *DealMAKER!* 08/22/2012 >=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 07 14:27:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20727 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2013 22:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2013 22:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.253) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2013 22:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2013 22:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.161] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2013 22:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2013 22:27:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 694547.58793.bm@omp1017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 33934 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2013 22:27:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4.itxuEVM1lDFJe5CaqviKTax7oqKFfN93HPV77yBKFf4eL FNdD3831aCLouJ24Er3mi2LBfOqNHlDPpGle.p5oAtbLkIiLPRSug6wAtWGs 5A43tp8BuSE5UJqbNpVIMd3cHyLT2qWMXKRw8C_RpcGpkxdJRdpc08T6thp. 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Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gee.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=PladMk5btV0S2RVExKBoLBstTqaeDtMe-gUyJ45ScII X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW First of all if it is what we think, the broker is lying. It's first a mid= part of the band. ( WFMO is mid band also) and Myrtle Beach is NOT in the = 51-100 market. Myrtle Beach is market #159. Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 1/7/13, KJ4HYD wrote: > From: KJ4HYD > Subject: {AMSF} Gee.... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 3:04 PM > ... this could only be one station: > (listed on radiotvdeals.com=20 > ) >=20 > South Carolina > AM Station > *Market Rank* =A0=A0=A0 Mkt 51--100 > *Asking Price* =A0=A0=A0 $495,000.00 >=20 > =A0=A0=A0=20 > *Selling or Leasing More Properties in Same Mkt?* > =A0=A0=A0 Stand Alone > *Seller Financing Available?* =A0=A0=A0 Consider > Seller Financing > *Will Seller LMA?* =A0=A0=A0 No >=20 > *Ad Headline* =A0=A0=A0 South Carolina - Myrtle > Beach, AM, Low dial postion > *Description* =A0=A0=A0=20 >=20 > Class: B >=20 > Coverage: Myrtle Beach >=20 > Digital: Yes >=20 > Hours: Unlimited >=20 > Equipment: State of the art >=20 > Real Estate: Substantial real estate included >=20 > Cash Flow: Positive >=20 > *DealMAKER!* =A0=A0=A0 08/22/2012 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jan 08 06:28:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89122 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2013 14:28:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2013 14:28:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wg0-f50.google.com) (74.125.82.50) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2013 14:28:27 -0000 X-Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id es5so382477wgb.5 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 06:28:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.24.198 with SMTP id w6mr15027871wif.27.1357655306789; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 06:28:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.217.57.4 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:28:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:28:26 -0500 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.82.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: Gee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=Fov1LP6O3Z8pz_y_2dMATJ3JzTnGTSuEMxRslIl1w-5CF50sOcDsxBi- X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it is not WFMO. Davidson Media, if they were to sell, wouldn't rep there station through some online website. Plus, there's no indication yet they've built out the CP and the station, licensed as it is now.. isnt worth what this ad is asking for. Paul On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:53 AM, wrote: > ** > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > The AM STEREO Forum Group > 3 New Messages > Digest #3932 > 1a > Gee.... <#13c19947db8e212b_1a> by "KJ4HYD" ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > 1b > Re: Gee.... <#13c19947db8e212b_1b> by "Kevin" kevtronics > 1c > Re: Gee.... <#13c19947db8e212b_1c> by "Powell E. Way III" W4OPW > > Messages > 1a Gee.... > Mon Jan 7, 2013 12:05 pm (PST) . Posted by: "KJ4HYD" > ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > ... this could only be one station: (listed on radiotvdeals.**com > http://radiotvdeals**.com >) > > South Carolina http://www.radiotvd**eals.com/**35m8/south-**carolina.** > html > > AM Station > *Market Rank* Mkt 51--100 > *Asking Price* $495,000.00 > > > *Selling or Leasing More Properties in Same Mkt?* Stand Alone > *Seller Financing Available?* Consider Seller Financing > *Will Seller LMA?* No > > *Ad Headline* South Carolina - Myrtle Beach, AM, Low dial postion > *Description* > > Class: B > > Coverage: Myrtle Beach > > Digital: Yes > > Hours: Unlimited > > Equipment: State of the art > > Real Estate: Substantial real estate included > > Cash Flow: Positive > > *DealMAKER!* 08/22/2012 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top > ^ <#13c19947db8e212b_toc> > 1b Re: Gee.... > Mon Jan 7, 2013 12:19 pm (PST) . Posted by: "Kevin" kevtronics > It could also be WFMO... > > http://radio-**locator.com/**info/WFMO-**AM > > --- In amstereoforum@**yahoogroups.**com , > KJ4HYD wrote: > > > > ... this could only be one station: (listed on radiotvdeals.**com > > ) > > > > South Carolina > > AM Station > > *Market Rank* Mkt 51--100 > > *Asking Price* $495,000.00 > > > > > > *Selling or Leasing More Properties in Same Mkt?* Stand Alone > > *Seller Financing Available?* Consider Seller Financing > > *Will Seller LMA?* No > > > > *Ad Headline* South Carolina - Myrtle Beach, AM, Low dial postion > > *Description* > > > > Class: B > > > > Coverage: Myrtle Beach > > > > Digital: Yes > > > > Hours: Unlimited > > > > Equipment: State of the art > > > > Real Estate: Substantial real estate included > > > > Cash Flow: Positive > > > > *DealMAKER!* 08/22/2012 > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top > ^ <#13c19947db8e212b_toc> > 1c Re: Gee.... > Mon Jan 7, 2013 2:27 pm (PST) . Posted by: "Powell E. Way III" W4OPW > First of all if it is what we think, the broker is lying. It's first a > mid part of the band. ( WFMO is mid band also) and Myrtle Beach is NOT in > the 51-100 market. Myrtle Beach is market #159. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > --- On Mon, 1/7/13, KJ4HYD kj4hyd@gmail.**com > wrote: > > > From: KJ4HYD kj4hyd@gmail.**com > > > Subject: {AMSF} Gee.... > > To: amstereoforum@**yahoogroups.**com > > Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 3:04 PM > > ... this could only be one station: > > (listed on radiotvdeals.**com > > http://radiotvdeals**.com >) > > > > South Carolina http://www.radiotvd**eals.com/**35m8/south-**carolina.** > html > > > AM Station > > *Market Rank* Mkt 51--100 > > *Asking Price* $495,000.00 > > > > > > *Selling or Leasing More Properties in Same Mkt?* > > Stand Alone > > *Seller Financing Available?* Consider > > Seller Financing > > *Will Seller LMA?* No > > > > *Ad Headline* South Carolina - Myrtle > > Beach, AM, Low dial postion > > *Description* > > > > Class: B > > > > Coverage: Myrtle Beach > > > > Digital: Yes > > > > Hours: Unlimited > > > > Equipment: State of the art > > > > Real Estate: Substantial real estate included > > > > Cash Flow: Positive > > > > *DealMAKER!* 08/22/2012 > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------**---------**---------**------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.**yahoo.com/**group/amstereofo**rumYahoo > ! > > Groups Links > > > > > > amstereoforum-**fullfeatured@**yahoogroups.**com > > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top > ^ <#13c19947db8e212b_toc> > Visit Your Group > > > View All Topics > > > Create New Topic > > > 2 New Members > > > > 9 New Photos > > > > We are making changes based on your feedback, Thank you ! > Submit Feedback > > > The Yahoo! Groups Product Blog > Check it out! > > > GROUP FOOTER MESSAGE > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > > CHANGE SETTINGS > > > > TERMS OF USE > > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 08 07:26:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6220 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2013 15:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2013 15:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.187) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2013 15:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2013 15:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2013 15:26:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:26:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1357597651.28564.YahooMailClassic@web121302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gee.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KGQvzO1HXhh34F2Tp4hZ_2vscxEhKdjJfv7aHEj88tM9CvY2moLtX68 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I don't think it's W**B, as it says "Digtal: Yes" and we know that they are= n't HD and certainly not a top 100 market, unless key information is wrong;= it's the only For Sale in NC/SC that doesn't actually list the call letter= s too, so a mystery for now, unless you want to sign the non-disclosure agr= eement, in which case you can't tell us either way! John From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Jan 08 07:27:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52687 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2013 15:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2013 15:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2013 15:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EA57B1C0007E7 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:11:46 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgd001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.1]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CA018E00008C for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:11:46 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <4aa04.f933d54.3e1d9132@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:11:46 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:341899328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c850ec37327e30 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Gee X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=OGY3dvXntBJsEiMD9c2Pm4CKshVVKV8A8YtyjiG6PFPFP7fvOXuc X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I wonder what it means in the description when it says Digital : Yes ?? What could be digital unless it was HDAM and no AM station with a low dial position fits that description in the Myrtle Beach area? Even the big AM boys are dropping "Digital" these days, thankfully. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 1/8/2013 9:28:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > *Ad Headline* South Carolina - Myrtle Beach, AM, Low dial postion > *Description* > > Class: B > > Coverage: Myrtle Beach > > Digital: Yes > > Hours: Unlimited > > Equipment: State of the art > > Real Estate: Substantial real estate included > > Cash Flow: Positive From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Jan 08 08:12:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84862 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2013 16:12:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2013 16:12:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2013 16:12:14 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 544721C000E51 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:10:46 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgd001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.1]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 27774E00008A for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:10:46 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <4cbd2.47e6d889.3e1d9f05@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:10:46 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408202304:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a50ec45067978 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSM-650 AM Stereo Status? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=_5FxyhajfKGi2jOBfFGJV9TXJSSAvEWqcBlJZW5_7cCg1e56GvqV X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I understand that chief engineer Jason Cooper over at WSM is extremely busy right now since he is taking over from their retired engineer who was not very pro-stereo. So it may be a while before he can upgrade WSM back to AM Stereo. In the meantime I am checking WSM nightly to see if their 25Hz pilot comes back on. That will be worth celebrating if it does! 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 1/2/2013 2:52:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: Can anybody report if WSM is still serious about doing CQUAM again on the "Air Castle of the South"? That would be a great deal for the New Year! John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jan 08 09:51:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76879 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2013 17:51:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2013 17:51:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.155) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2013 17:51:04 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP178 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:51:03 -0800 X-EIP: [KzdVd0KHf4FXHtpmJAZQQm98tSGFFQ0j] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP178.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:51:02 -0800 To: References: <4cbd2.47e6d889.3e1d9f05@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:51:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2013 17:51:02.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9BEBE20:01CDEDC8] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSM-650 AM Stereo Status? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=4SoDpgDAXS9uGXX40AN0TvyRG8dL3CN7nJP-m9a7u49r X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd when they light up the pilot some high quality air checks would be good. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:10 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSM-650 AM Stereo Status? >I understand that chief engineer Jason Cooper > over at WSM is extremely busy right now since he is taking over > from their retired engineer who was not very pro-stereo. > > So it may be a while before he can upgrade WSM back > to AM Stereo. > > In the meantime I am checking WSM nightly to see if > their 25Hz pilot comes back on. That will be worth > celebrating if it does! > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > In a message dated 1/2/2013 2:52:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > > Can anybody report if WSM is still serious about doing CQUAM again on the > "Air Castle of the South"? That would be a great deal for the New Year! > > John > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 03:07:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44616 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2013 11:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2013 11:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm13-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.143) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2013 11:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 11:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.172] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 11:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 11:07:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 914436.21481.bm@omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 80632 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2013 11:07:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eni8sH8VM1lVKXrQpKdO1yixOB9K_YKLlAqCjkRVkLWri4u ta2nTQUUis1Yp_PVwaPWcET7Ra5eq9SY4QkHBShyrcDw1WTipPnDAx5TBnWj VWb4SUtEPZZvz.03IEN7fxYk6gnVc_nHYlN81DEzkL2QptcJuqWvWTp3ufNK nEyAD2oFNVQCis7XXMnGJ9cVKWj8w2gaUPaeEXXTFn3Wc3kM.O9QiNBNx0O. GC5CsmqnDDa0LVtthdS9kGuklTVPfnqJqeFt3CtXAxI15gavtqh7nI1k8dyD LlUapGS.by0o_X3_eAXxuZZVinkTgrl3PWC9fK6Ev_4Z.ip_BiM3ITzhnYw6 sLd3lzca2i9MQhjiV2fOEe8sxD5N3C5iKzw6iyYpkF_cu2NjZ9Ny4VUwGbsb mnQ6oG7T_.RKDBjvoh_PwnifKZaz2sKSVn85JQJOx4DOSbNUX.QcXxYZUfEH SSGLO7yvdSz0eh4INbe4lqZrbY2m5Tja9yk1btRreQAuTOtTb3o5jcVRmUZv U X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:07:09 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,VGhlIG5ldyBvcGVyYXRvciBvZiBXTEJFLzc5MCBpbiBMZWVzYnVyZywgRmxvcmlkYSBoYXMgYXNrZWQgYWJvdXQgZ29pbmcgc3RlcmVvIG9uIHRoZSBSYWRpbyBEaXNjdXNzaW9ucyBib2FyZCAobG9vayBmb3IgdGhlIE9ybGFuZG8gcGFnZSkuIMKgSSd2ZSBpbnZpdGVkIGhpbSBoZXJlIGluIGhvcGVzIHRoYXQgd2UgY2FuIGhlbHAgaGltIGdvIHN0ZXJlby4BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 Message-ID: <1357816029.80624.YahooMailClassic@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:07:09 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WLBE/790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=gIenQ5riJv-mTxpv-u8PKgpuyrHNJqyKVX_NViW-C4-FMSWur7k0 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The new operator of WLBE/790 in Leesburg, Florida has asked about going ste= reo on the Radio Discussions board (look for the Orlando page). =A0I've inv= ited him here in hopes that we can help him go stereo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 10:53:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69471 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2013 18:53:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2013 18:53:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.178) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2013 18:53:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 18:53:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 18:53:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:53:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 96.56.206.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: 1090 WAQE is still in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=rL_mPh33IETa2gem8bzPxWYQPNICJvoDtynquyvX5_zepwnnpA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just received this reply today confirming that even with the sports forma= t, WAQE is still transmitting in C-Quam AM Stereo: From: Mike Murrey Subject: WAQE-AM 1090 Stereo To: "kevtronics@yahoo.com" Cc: "Arnie Wheeler" Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013, 1:18 PM Hello Kevin: =20 Your email was forwarded to me regarding WAQE-AM 1090 operating in stereo. = Actually, we are still transmitting AM Stereo on 1090 KHz, I checked the P= ilot. But in many cases, most of the time in fact with Fox Sports, satelli= te fed audio is sent to us in mono. So we're transmitting a mono source on= a stereo signal. I know, doesn't make any sense. But that's the way it i= s. If you care, note the stereo performance when we're playing local conte= nt, like most of our commercials and promotional audio. =20 To be honest, the stereo issue was much more important when we were transmi= tting the Classic Country format not too many years ago, mostly music. But= now with the sports format the stereo issue is not as big a deal. Frankly= , stereo microphones don't make any sense to me. And the number of AM ster= eo radios that can receive our stereo signal and playback in stereo are few= and far between. But we continue to broadcast a stereo signal anyway. =20 Anyway, I wanted to respond to your query and thank you for listening. Let= me know if you have any other questions. =20 Best regards, Michael F. Murrey Technical Operations Director/Chief Operator TKC Inc / Vacationland Broadcasting 715.234.2131 ext 22 WJMC-AM/FM, WAQE-AM/FM, WKFX-FM, WRLS-FM tkcinc2000@yahoo.com From brian32m@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 11:24:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian32m@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82203 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2013 19:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2013 19:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.18) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2013 19:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 19:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2013 19:24:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:24:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.207.185.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.207.185.3 From: "brian54660" Subject: receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101564996; y=-27-KgxjkYSYnraT9UdWI0dJK58e44JUVHN8E1sdQfjvx-8 X-Yahoo-Profile: brian54660 Just a question..are there any am stereo receivers out there for purchase? = What brand would be recommended? I check the am stereo line on the home p= age but those receivers are all discontinued..looks like that page has not = been updated in quite awhile. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 14:19:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81822 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2013 22:19:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2013 22:19:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s37.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.176) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2013 22:19:24 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP110 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:19:23 -0800 X-EIP: [x/PqWhn/FaomWV1cGuaJDi0b//0QMKPA] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP110.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:19:22 -0800 To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:19:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2013 22:19:22.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AEB4820:01CDEF80] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=9jBgNHp0JG71O6uxiPQ0suKzzKljPowYXgNWJs8_G2-j X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd try meducci radios http://meducci.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian54660" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:24 PM Subject: {AMSF} receivers > Just a question..are there any am stereo receivers out there for purchase? > What brand would be recommended? I check the am stereo line on the home > page but those receivers are all discontinued..looks like that page has > not been updated in quite awhile. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From brian32m@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 16:39:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian32m@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92745 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2013 00:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m15.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2013 00:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.148) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2013 00:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2013 00:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2013 00:39:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:39:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.116.9.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.116.9.179 From: "brian54660" Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101564996; y=bu8TZsTHA7hot_nxkBfk60g4EHSw2mYl-dbC8533__Au9go X-Yahoo-Profile: brian54660 link didnt work --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: > > try meducci radios http://meducci.com >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "brian54660"=20 > To:=20 > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:24 PM > Subject: {AMSF} receivers >=20 >=20 > > Just a question..are there any am stereo receivers out there for purcha= se?=20 > > What brand would be recommended? I check the am stereo line on the hom= e=20 > > page but those receivers are all discontinued..looks like that page has= =20 > > not been updated in quite awhile. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 16:51:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84752 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2013 00:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2013 00:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s6.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.208) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2013 00:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from BAY002-W137 ([65.54.190.201]) by bay0-omc4-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:51:55 -0800 X-EIP: [qd+2XeordHUq2vHW4w9Mm/kVmzBaL3cv] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:51:55 -0500 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2013 00:51:55.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA853160:01CDEF95] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=temNyXMYFLOWzphB3VPakNU1cduT5mtB38cL5OSINjjzwfW1XfsHytdU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thnk there's only one C in Meduci. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Thu Jan 10 17:15:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35903 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2013 01:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2013 01:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2013 01:15:00 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9140D1C000085 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:15:00 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mga003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.218]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 30B85E00008E for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:15:00 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <1b6c2.5547292d.3e20c193@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:15:00 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:379193280:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b50ef67940395 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=ao042dfHEOq1nA-GZLEKO1LbycjHI0Oa-welcvQHQ23HzzN_S9ry X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Try this address : _http://meduci.com/pro1k.html_ (http://meduci.com/pro1k.html) 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 1/10/2013 7:39:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brian32m@yahoo.com writes: link didnt work --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Jan 10 18:34:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80292 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2013 02:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2013 02:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ob0-f169.google.com) (209.85.214.169) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2013 02:34:35 -0000 X-Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id v19so1294716obq.28 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:34:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.130.38 with SMTP id ob6mr53777084obb.100.1357871674721; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:34:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.60.5.99 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:34:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1b6c2.5547292d.3e20c193@aol.com> References: <1b6c2.5547292d.3e20c193@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:34:34 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.214.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=GaIJD3R5JM2bv0_VsqMkz9NkR9dAaS0NDzGo8NpdVkasZnDn X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I got a Sony SRF-AX15 from http://www.audiocubes2.com/product/Sony_SRF-AX15_FM,_AM_Pocket_Radio.html It's fairly decent. Dan On 11 January 2013 09:15, wrote: > ** > > > Try this address : > > _http://meduci.com/pro1k.html_ (http://meduci.com/pro1k.html) > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > > > > In a message dated 1/10/2013 7:39:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > brian32m@yahoo.com writes: > > link didnt work > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jan 10 19:27:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66164 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2013 03:27:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2013 03:27:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yh0-f53.google.com) (209.85.213.53) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2013 03:27:46 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id q11so249106yhf.26 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:27:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.76.20 with SMTP id y20mr23478629ana.75.1357874866092; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:27:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.14] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h37sm2884926anm.10.2013.01.10.19.27.44 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:27:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50EF86B2.70805@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:27:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1357816029.80624.YahooMailClassic@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1357816029.80624.YahooMailClassic@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLBE/790 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=w9r1ybpbL4hmjHQllc_1ktbBuImPiJ5wEZGvSR7x714GMkiXJ23ca29UlbA4cA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 1/10/2013 6:07 AM, JNR wrote: > The new operator of WLBE/790 in Leesburg, Florida has asked about going stereo on the Radio Discussions board (look for the Orlando page). I've invited him here in hopes that we can help him go stereo. Great! When I lived in Eustis, WLBE sounded awesome and had a good sounding Nostalgia format that would sound great in Stereo. Kevin, KJ4HYD From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 06:39:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61084 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2013 14:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2013 14:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.214.252) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2013 14:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2013 14:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2013 14:39:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:39:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers - new one on the way? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=gpx8USRtImwqygn3fawTH1KernaLAtadwc2eIp5Pm08z6ybwWTuph2E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If I'm not mistaken, Chris Cuff said that he was going to be producing some= Made In The USA CQUAM AM stereo portable radios?? This would be in addition to the Meduci radio, the 3 Japanese Sony AM Stere= o radios, and those HD radios that decode CQUAM. Can Chris confirm or deny these USA production rumors? John From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Fri Jan 11 06:52:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52810 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2013 14:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2013 14:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s8.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.210) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2013 14:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from BAY002-W130 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:52:54 -0800 X-EIP: [OrfQYWP5kQfIiWb3g52sx+pzqUcXEcHs] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:52:54 -0500 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2013 14:52:54.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[55F6DA40:01CDF00B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} receivers - new one on the way? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=xzHvuuVCw1b4nQyMHnrfcinXw6gPVT7og25mJxfD-s92ZLm-EfW7M57E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I am gathering parts. It has to be as I can afford it, so it is not a quick process, but I already have the PC boards here. Stay tuned. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 11 15:37:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49962 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2013 23:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2013 23:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2013 23:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130111173728000624600010> for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:37:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50F0A23E.7000201@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:37:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:37:28 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4cbd2.47e6d889.3e1d9f05@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4cbd2.47e6d889.3e1d9f05@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130111-1, 01/11/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSM-650 AM Stereo Status? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=wt0fptR06n-pz8mmy60YsSr0JPjyGwWNlJIm1K07cbKBKS5jEFl6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/8/2013 10:12 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > I understand that chief engineer Jason Cooper > over at WSM is extremely busy right now since he is taking over > from their retired engineer who was not very pro-stereo. > > So it may be a while before he can upgrade WSM back > to AM Stereo. > > In the meantime I am checking WSM nightly to see if > their 25Hz pilot comes back on. That will be worth > celebrating if it does! True, but you may want to wait until Kevin has at least shipped the exciter, or has he already? Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 11 16:31:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87039 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2013 00:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2013 00:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2013 00:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130111183053002913800010> for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:30:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50F0AEC4.9010503@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:31:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:30:53 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1b6c2.5547292d.3e20c193@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1b6c2.5547292d.3e20c193@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130111-1, 01/11/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=OMpUaKapnAd84mvm2EVcgFO-u3lBJ2nUwlF_mvZQHgniSVwQy_Tp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/10/2013 7:15 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > Try this address : > > _http://meduci.com/pro1k.html_ (http://meduci.com/pro1k.html) > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG > Too bad he's still using those project boxes for cabinets. The only folks who buy them are techies (guilty as charged) who want performance rather than looks and that's not a very big market. Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Jan 11 17:34:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78248 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2013 01:34:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2013 01:34:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2013 01:34:24 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CCCD61C0000A3 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:34:23 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mga003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.218]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9855AE000085 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:34:23 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <15842.171b8d4b.3e22179f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:34:23 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408108576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b50f0bd9f07e9 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=GRI86dm485E6LwtVwsN75A45yeTaUdordX1nlKJ856KzVSMxeGdW X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 1/11/2013 7:31:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: Too bad he's still using those project boxes for cabinets. The only folks who buy them are techies (guilty as charged) who want performance rather than looks and that's not a very big market. Scott Todd From what I have been able to learn, Jeff really packs his new PRO1K AM stereo tuner with a lot of upgrades from the previous version. He designs his own circuit boards for them They are basically custom hand-made.The new version has digital PLL tuning in 10kHz steps, he has also included a 10kHz notch filter to cut the 10kHz whistle between stations. I think he will include a wide/narrow bandwidth switch by request for extra cost if wanted. As sold the tuner requires an external antenna connection. I think it is a good idea to force the owner to use an external antenna for best AM.reception. I would recommend an outdoor mounted antenna like an active whip or a broadband active loop antenna mounted outdoors to get away from noisy household appliances indoors. I think one of the biggest improvements to AM reception is to use an outdoor mounted antenna. Folks need to get used to the idea of an outdoor antenna for best AM reception just like most people expect to put up an outdoor FM antenna for best FM reception. I will try the link to his PRO1K tuner again to see if it comes through properly to the list. http://meduci.com/pro1k.html 73 - Todd WD4NGG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 11:26:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63411 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2013 19:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2013 19:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2013 19:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2013 19:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2013 19:26:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 19:26:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15842.171b8d4b.3e22179f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_gyFr28jLpODH0iTxr_RBkO1ErYNs5aN9foCje-DtS72XqYZDEKOThI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From a technical aspect, the Meduci tuners sound great, but I think Jeff ne= eds a partner that can work with him on the presentation: multicolor front = panel decal with AM STEREO plastered on it (I don't see AMS listed) and a n= ice case without front visible screws - even a thin wooden case to surround= the metal case; presentation / looks is 90% of a product for the non-engin= eers of the world. My 2 cents worth (too bad IBM took the 'cents' charactor off of QWERTY keyb= oards and put that "@" symbol on instead - who would ever use that?) From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Sun Jan 13 16:19:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34014 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2013 00:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2013 00:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.166) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2013 00:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 00:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.198] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 00:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2013 00:19:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 79198.67549.bm@omp1007.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20111 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2013 00:19:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eAgIO_wVM1leZWxQQl_gRHMytFu.DsQcDItAA8cr74.t6JH pB1hINa2kZAoZvSUb4ov6X8biim1PrTQbFlE4kS4HPHMew8v3TDGOfMar.UU m7bJtpSIznvKokkm2oNq3VwDwVvkgBYVQjgQZhxFvxNyIkuv8AbijWrHCySp 0qagZ3Weyk2Djfy.yWTPusQlRwT.xUVhdUNEhupWyaYrnR5P..ZydzPG7xqG lfoSSu_VXlAqGqjLUgrUiRQWRivvroDJj.3RIdWoiGSemLt2M04jppwBb1ai hKduMz8BOEQ_i_WPOpiHNRhidwg5_tjkBye5P8Q37K9Ca0yUhlu2aWNmMbka .Kd7lXzN2vkQN9BvCdaQ.7sFoGIw7rjkvfCQ6D2E72_5CM7_dsGHSI_s.Fs4 JzUR0EqPebGiNSo0meibIr1KhDLXDJEWqVmldb9UbBYR_FJ7e.vuT6HnJS3V BQBcbGhQ7wcqrqG1zwgzqaJWUIshx6DsM9XfGFQ_bknunwrnGFyuwVDGubEM 7ybLjaEHXVq6oj5JdGDpj48y.rEj2iVJX5.TaBBNntEXm5zTeTyVTyzqsbrk Os7qOYh_uT7IVzobYez3KiLf2nJckKc_gQQpvGrYzNvbsnIYwad.hYpOAyA9 rOtAQf2rGhV7AiuMjFlnK9AIbYmsK789OAXPtecuXBhf1X4rXB_76CzFLvWM bIWTmkizk2O69aL7f7zQzb8oJ49LBCkJhOGO9_6EGeAMbSKN_FRK2.wSR5ho CL16gtmSNSlXb0zy5DqO2lfxz6lJHRIptHgsrseirjMlF5WM8kIVbOJsJiTX nhy_Cy_RIuVABypBtuxPWAr3EuGyUmY6LdSup520qNmCMqqRGkNMVskdJAZk qkFAFzmKpAJMHOKE8Ggo7CWP8GBhw3dnoOhZ_IokPvFfAXfhCu9RTW.uW.cN Fwhl2Zu_Mk7_VEi0Cbg3afAwIDR9i4BVoGFYDIRG1sUTgQIb17VSnlcfOee7 XMHbwkPM89K9yy8aJTg5PP2gEBsL8V8HRULHIjHcTHCZqUQ-- X-Received: from [201.24.51.192] by web142306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:19:33 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,VG9kZCBwdXQgdGhlIG1vZGVsIG9mIHRoZSBhbnRlbm5hIHBsZWFzZS4KCk5ldG8gU2lsdmEKQnJhc2lsaWEvQnJhc2lsCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRGU6ICJ0b2Rkcm9iZXJ0czIwMDFAYW9sLmNvbSIgPHRvZGRyb2JlcnRzMjAwMUBhb2wuY29tPgpQYXJhOiBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSAKRW52aWFkYXM6IFNleHRhLWZlaXJhLCAxMSBkZSBKYW5laXJvIGRlIDIwMTMgMjM6MzQKQXNzdW50bzogUmU6IHtBTVNGfSByZWNlaXZlcnMKIApJbiBhIG0BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 References: <15842.171b8d4b.3e22179f@aol.com> Message-ID: <1358122773.92440.YahooMailNeo@web142306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:19:33 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <15842.171b8d4b.3e22179f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.212.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=xOu4hBNhuac-05wglUEb0z2Q_OkzNsuZsXON8Dp_R6SRa240 X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd put the model of the antenna please. Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 11 de Janeiro de 2013 23:34 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} receivers =20 In a message dated 1/11/2013 7:31:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=A0=20 scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: Too bad he's still using those project=A0 boxes for cabinets. The only=20 folks who buy them are techies (guilty as=A0 charged) who want performance= =20 rather than looks and that's not a very big=A0 market. Scott Todd From what I have been able to learn, Jeff=A0 really packs his new PRO1K AM stereo tuner with a lot of upgrades from the=A0 previous version. He design= s his own circuit boards for them They are basically custom hand-made.The new= =20 version has digital PLL tuning in 10kHz steps, he has also included a=A0 10kHz notch filter to cut the 10kHz whistle between stations. I think he will=A0= =20 include a=20 wide/narrow bandwidth switch=A0 by request for extra cost if=A0 wanted. As sold the tuner requires an external antenna connection. I=A0 think it is a good idea to force the owner to use an external antenna for=A0 best=20 AM.reception. I would recommend an outdoor mounted antenna like an=A0 active whip or a broadband active loop antenna mounted outdoors to get away=A0 from noisy household appliances indoors. I think one of the biggest=A0 improvements to AM reception is to use an outdoor mounted antenna. Folks need=A0 to get used to the idea of an outdoo= r=20 antenna for best AM reception just=A0 like most people expect to put up an outdoor FM antenna for best FM=A0 reception. I will try the link to his PRO1K tuner again to see if it=A0 comes through properly to the=A0 list. http://meduci.com/pro1k.html 73 - Todd WD4NGG ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Jan 13 16:36:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15965 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2013 00:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2013 00:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2013 00:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 53D251C000089 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:36:14 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.13]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E33ADE000086 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:36:13 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <15075.79b8b3b1.3e24acfd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:36:13 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:395404256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca50f352fd6356 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=Hx8wc0yUbZ1iqqsQyB7Swszdo1GjcxzqomGiM0pQQskTufDp_AQk X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 1/13/2013 7:19:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br writes: Todd put the model of the antenna please. Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil For a broadband active whip antenna I recommend the Z1501D made by Clifton Labs : http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/z1501_active_antenna.htm For a broadband active loop antenna I recommend the AM-2 made by Pixel Technologies : http://www.pixelsatradio.com/product/ultimate-am-broadcast-band-antenna/ 73 - Todd WD4NGG From jmrouse@mail.com Tue Jan 15 15:12:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94718 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2013 23:12:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m8.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2013 23:12:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.net) (74.208.4.201) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2013 23:12:38 -0000 X-Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([172.19.198.46]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmxus002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LedIY-1TAMTT2pbC-00qOcd for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:12:37 +0100 X-Received: (qmail 31959 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jan 2013 23:12:37 -0000 X-Received: from 69.171.168.160 by rms-us002 with HTTP Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:12:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20130115231235.35870@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: NIeHcGdv3zOlOgRR5nAhQoN+IGRvb0CI X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1090 WAQE is still in AM Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=aJ7-JBoP-Fvj2FIEepoTUYoWG85pTqJrGaD9uWXeoanJSIYco0a4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the post. I like his attitude. Even though there is not much stereo content, they keep trudging on with CQuam. It reminds me of KYW 1060 when they were a Group W Westinghouse station. Even though they were "all news all the time" they broadcasted in AM stereo for a good number of years. The commercials & jingles had stereo music added to them & sounded quite good. Then CBS decided to make the station HD. I guess we could remind the tech staff at WAQE that they will sound better on CQAM radios, due to the wider bandwidth, regardless of programming. Hope you all have a great New Year, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Sent: 01/10/13 01:53 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 1090 WAQE is still in AM Stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Tue Jan 15 15:33:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78929 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2013 23:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2013 23:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.net) (74.208.4.200) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2013 23:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([172.19.198.43]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmxus001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lu87G-1Surfx2c1W-011Onc for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:33:15 +0100 X-Received: (qmail 8162 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jan 2013 23:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from 69.171.168.160 by rms-us003 with HTTP Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:33:12 -0500 Message-ID: <20130115233313.35850@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Authenticated: #76362341 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: boKHcGVv3zOlOgRR5nAhy4h+IGRvb0DP X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gee.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=bHIErTiEKPn0h_UC30VYi5nwBRxnOoj2GYF9rO0GU56HfLsshWd2 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang, Anyone know what is going on with the AM all digital experiment? They seem to be keeping the lid on pretty tight. All that I have heard is that Beasley is willing to lend one of their low performers for this purpose. Not sure I am crazy about the idea, but if there are going to be rave reviews, I would rather hear them from listeners, not from Iniquity. Thanks!! Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio Sent: 01/08/13 10:26 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gee.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 02:46:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87580 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2013 10:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2013 10:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm14-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.38) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2013 10:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2013 10:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.173] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2013 10:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2013 10:45:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 857322.55592.bm@omp1029.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 99244 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2013 10:45:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aWrkjegVM1l1VdtHdZ8KnlE6P0fYXoxgdt1.Xb51NJ65_wK dexXRi2NFV.4CEPES47rQDdgzbQsUx91d_MKpq8R4E7o41_RpXm7e9vF6uNj xnh.hYo5a76LFqkO5mcGnchpIrtrIlW8BJJdp_NGiWzdVuJktap507CJrl3F JzbQ21ljlEHNYpmioR56Bcp_HVbrd.T4j07KP8LWE3pA5LgVieN.uMxKaRhR oEAjLBdx.UA162YnDu2drBj6DBFqy2v9PQmjGoSBu3bESGKHlQm63QJJxqUJ 5bi0_iClpu8pn_0GAos_19EmZotzLQAg.VcnwsFCBwa1eqHWOl4MVQCoskXb IhYmmO5wsZ_p7E89W.ItfA_Mg0CHoLIFTOUyvBqacYXtJ0fXxouEdysPUrqA ZoOjbcouqtldIanD9sY0qEF5eq5UaQ3VY8hkFimWeXx_zSV2XCpu8r9ZSuTh fAvGakHOoORKwho8DAFA8wANpmGgjKNcM7i2UhI.yc.soWUqPdibbuGCJYak U3btylm836ORavRKWLkgFlgk- X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 02:45:55 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,RnJvbSBOw5hVSUggb24gdGhlIG90aGVyIGJvYXJkIChjYW4gd2UgYWRkIHRoZXNlIDIgc3RhdGlvbnMgdG8gdGhlIHN0YXRpb25zIGxpc3Q_KToNCg0KCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKwqAKCgoKICAKCgogICAgCiAgICAgIAogICAgICAKICAgICAgCgoKSnVzdCBhIG5vdGUgdG8gbGV0IHlvdSBrbm93IHRoYXQgV0NTWiAxMDcwIFNhbnMgU291Y2kgKEdyZWVudmlsbGUpLCBTQyBpcyAKYnJvYWRjYXN0aW5nIGluIEFNIFN0ZXJlby4gRm9ybWF0IGlzIFJlZ2lvbmFsIE1leGljYW4sIHNsb2dhbiBpcyAiTGEgSmVmYSABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 Message-ID: <1358419555.98539.YahooMailClassic@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 02:45:55 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Fw: [amstereoonly] WCSZ 1070, WIXI 1360 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=-pse-LIbRkEc-6f5p6_BEOEZQ4NFI2xC9JT3g8F2nJ4MqsQfOOea X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From N=D8UIH on the other board (can we add these 2 stations to the station= s list?): =A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Just a note to let you know that WCSZ 1070 Sans Souci (Greenville), SC is=20 broadcasting in AM Stereo. Format is Regional Mexican, slogan is "La Jefa 1= 070 y=20 94.9". =A0 WIXI 1360 Jasper, AL has dropped Classic Country for Regional Mexican. The= =20 slogan is "La Jefa 1360", and is broadcasting in AM Stereo. ,_._,___ =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 11:01:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30922 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2013 19:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2013 19:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.28) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2013 19:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 19:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 19:01:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:01:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130115233313.35850@gmx.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gee.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TWidfpcz2HwhUV2huPUFgj7qkPAGNF94DtBqKolHVPTAjgQDl9b92lo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Joe, IIRC, the all-digital AM experiment was conducted on a station in Nort= h Carolina that had an OMNI antenna (not directional) and it was something = like a 10K or 5K days, and reduced to about 20% power at night. They are "= evaluating the results". I say they should be testing this all digital HD on stations in the low, mi= d and high portions of the band, on directional arrays, and on the graveyar= d channels; and TELL the listeners so we can evaluate how much of a lock we= get on local and DX stations. That's my 2 cents. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > > Hi Gang, >=20 > Anyone know what is going on with the AM all digital experiment?=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Jan 18 11:13:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9158 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2013 19:13:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2013 19:13:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dub0-omc4-s30.dub0.hotmail.com) (157.55.2.105) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2013 19:13:55 -0000 X-Received: from DUB406-EAS421 ([157.55.2.73]) by dub0-omc4-s30.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:13:54 -0800 X-EIP: [Inpms7apNtcYvlohEGphiX0PaWpEDD7J] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:13:49 -0700 To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2013 19:13:54.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[F53D2740:01CDF5AF] X-Originating-IP: 157.55.2.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Chrysafis Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gee.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=cJT4magI6tPCY5420z9kpwbLlhlgORSAWBueVnwaWDX9 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd ibuzz needs to just fade into history as a failure never to be resurrected = ever jmho -----Original Message----- From: toledohamradio Sent: 18 Jan 2013 19:02:08 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gee.... Joe, IIRC, the all-digital AM experiment was conducted on a station in Nort= h Carolina that had an OMNI antenna (not directional) and it was something = like a 10K or 5K days, and reduced to about 20% power at night. They are "= evaluating the results". I say they should be testing this all digital HD on stations in the low, mi= d and high portions of the band, on directional arrays, and on the graveyar= d channels; and TELL the listeners so we can evaluate how much of a lock we= get on local and DX stations. That's my 2 cents. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > > Hi Gang, > > Anyone know what is going on with the AM all digital experiment? ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gee.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VrBUGs9kHVN9WCq32_YAioQCvGNoi07wrSMmOUocHXc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW It was the 1660 in Charlotte.....10K days 1k nights. I wished I had known. = I would have tried for it... Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 1/18/13, toledohamradio wrote: > From: toledohamradio > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gee.... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, January 18, 2013, 2:01 PM > Joe, IIRC, the all-digital AM > experiment was conducted on a station in North Carolina that > had an OMNI antenna (not directional) and it was something > like a 10K or 5K days, and reduced to about 20% power at > night.=A0 They are "evaluating the results". > I say they should be testing this all digital HD on stations > in the low, mid and high portions of the band, on > directional arrays, and on the graveyard channels; and TELL > the listeners so we can evaluate how much of a lock we get > on local and DX stations. > That's my 2 cents. > John >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "Joseph Rouse"=A0 wrote: > > > > Hi Gang, > >=20 > >=A0 Anyone know what is going on with the AM all > digital experiment?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 11:17:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88005 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2013 19:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.135) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2013 19:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.67) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2013 19:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 19:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.7] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 19:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2013 19:16:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 816416.29564.bm@omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 96521 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2013 19:16:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rba9jc8VM1mFb1RXXavOrvj5jd0E5Xj0qZlYa1Io7b1DfLw BN1Zb81o.5FzSkiuhDFG.SlQhzG2mD3Vgw.cD17Iw47NSgf2cnb6VdSkTtcU ZtmWxeb.vHA_MWnzeyHoSWl2paIw4YT0RWeuKLHjxUWvgIv3r3TQsJMKO_n3 PWSNjkdam4yK0kKsuTcZyFcQ6Cp1FyUw6OWL.fmehfbaEwmF04tfABCxNiJr favt.wsaZw7wuR7rfN4mTrm9lE7iy1UqesI6.Af7bnlYuzaG4y46y8e26OLW HRqm.qeTL82t.kN3Q47DWVTizVMVxpisiMf.eV.nz0ZlR5I9cBdUX6oHkDWc xXI8XbCBhWir._hPfZlgpYflYYKEmG4NvZOaJu8DuAJRm61dKRzkWAIbjUwC fcorhU_GsDu7SuaRwSWmG5wFubxBZeT5bHsgft1Bri_ySJALli3zfP8euEPk 5CSWgsdNGCbHI8kUxvkXkETfLWtVW0FVxE8vYOIzWG8OHYl_amSnBsY64zoE GCQdMtCcGaNTg049uVnXIWHjkz0Plahw6GwEBRQkwVmU1H9cyoFNxKXhqQ57 LqNAjcbneaCGiTJ1DvWVUibLkSDAjc8fdEx7fdUbpcHGutX9zRT4VTANKNEJ zZBtjlGD9EZh142pt_5QzFm.bhtIFLoOZzh99i.iJxyjQ.OOQ72nMTLyLS7m LOxVpn39CJwgPJ11wc7E3deiw6fKQYWlLTFpD0UeX1mZHTql9sjOHs3CHl5r QZ2N7tnlZiq27KhvRao3_r11zvniBlr6FPQH862b8VPPDrw.URkcCmjbTAoI 0VzTYMbMvmE73JErbDqaiuaXtfsAl9AzYtXwi57NwSVX_DnNKP4BJrt7cyOd jKa2YRlkblB4_g5nx5KJHDeHhAaBD4A-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web121303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:16:59 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SSBjYW4gaGVhciAxMDcwIGRheXRpbWUuIEkgc2VyaW91c2x5IGRvdWJ0IHRoZXkgYXJlLiBJIHdpbGwgaGF2ZSB0byBkcml2ZSB0byBHcmVlbnZpbGxlLCBTQyB0byB2ZXJpZnkuICANCg0KV2hhdCBvdGhlciBncm91cD8NCg0KUG93ZWxsDQpOTk5OICANClBPUCBlbWFpbCBpcyBwb3dlbGwgYXQgYmFja3JvYWRzICBET1QgICAgIG5ldA0KDQoNCi0tLSBPbiBUaHUsIDEvMTcvMTMsIEpOUiA8YTFhc3VyZnJhZGlvQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCj4gRnJvbTogSk5SIDxhMWFzdXJmcmFkaW9AeWFob28uY28BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.494 Message-ID: <1358536619.91827.YahooMailClassic@web121303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:16:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1358419555.98539.YahooMailClassic@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] WCSZ 1070, WIXI 1360 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6rLeLiK_iHqGR_79NJXVcoiACW6COzAq6Imo7druC0w X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I can hear 1070 daytime. I seriously doubt they are. I will have to drive t= o Greenville, SC to verify.=20=20 What other group? Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 1/17/13, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] WCSZ 1070, WIXI 1360 > To: "AMSF" > Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 5:45 AM > From N=D8UIH on the other board (can > we add these 2 stations to the stations list?): >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A0=20 >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0=20 > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 >=20 >=20 > Just a note to let you know that WCSZ 1070 Sans Souci > (Greenville), SC is=20 > broadcasting in AM Stereo. Format is Regional Mexican, > slogan is "La Jefa 1070 y=20 > 94.9". > =A0 > WIXI 1360 Jasper, AL has dropped Classic Country for > Regional Mexican. The=20 > slogan is "La Jefa 1360", and is broadcasting in AM Stereo. > ,_._,___ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 20 13:40:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99825 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2013 21:40:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2013 21:40:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2013 21:40:47 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130120154043000194800010> for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:40:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50FC6453.2090306@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:40:35 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:40:43 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130120-0, 01/20/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bKsVwG0IX6hN_Q2ymg0-Wvo1nWlYALDOyRNJtZqlOKtiozWLbGKU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/12/2013 1:26 PM, toledohamradio wrote: > My 2 cents worth (too bad IBM took the 'cents' charactor off of QWERTY > keyboards and put that "@" symbol on instead - who would ever use that?) > How about everyone who has ever had to manually enter an email address? Scott From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 20 14:39:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65721 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2013 22:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2013 22:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-02.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.152) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2013 22:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130120163853002689200010> for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:38:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50FC71F5.6060001@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:38:45 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:38:53 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <15075.79b8b3b1.3e24acfd@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <15075.79b8b3b1.3e24acfd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130120-0, 01/20/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=g9LNTKbLT-faLNvUDnl0t-EtjEMoxmXmOhBzlYvYoIUKaU2Ca_pg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/13/2013 6:36 PM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > For a broadband active whip antenna I recommend the > Z1501D made by Clifton Labs : > > http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/z1501_active_antenna.htm > > For a broadband active loop antenna I recommend the AM-2 > made by Pixel Technologies : > > http://www.pixelsatradio.com/product/ultimate-am-broadcast-band-antenna/ > Those are great antennas but not too many people are going to spend over $200 to get them. If the AM band in general is to regain any sort of listenership, let alone AM stereo, it has to be more affordable and fairly brain-dead simple. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 20 19:13:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90028 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2013 03:13:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2013 03:13:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-10.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.170) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2013 03:13:16 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130120211308002565900011> for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:13:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <50FCB23C.8090203@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:13:00 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:13:08 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20130115233313.35850@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <20130115233313.35850@gmx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130120-1, 01/20/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gee.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Vce1YlIu1shqiUU9-1iDJf_q46PzcOoPlxewx6ilGnWOKUQrm2u1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/15/2013 5:34 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > Hi Gang, > > Anyone know what is going on with the AM all digital experiment? They > seem to be keeping the lid on pretty tight. All that I have heard is > that Beasley is willing to lend one of their low performers for this > purpose. Not sure I am crazy about the idea, but if there are going to > be rave reviews, I would rather hear them from listeners, not from > Iniquity. Thanks!! I'd like to know how it performs on a Class C (old class-IV) at night competing with other all-digital carriers. Betting that wouldn't be pretty. 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Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] WCSZ 1070, WIXI 1360 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 18, 2013, 2:16 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I can hear 1070 daytime. I seriously doubt they are. I will have to d= rive to Greenville, SC to verify.=20=20 What other group? Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 1/17/13, JNR a1asurfradio@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: JNR a1asurfradio@yahoo.com> > Subject: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] WCSZ 1070, WIXI 1360 > To: "AMSF" amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 5:45 AM > From N=C3=98UIH on the other board (can > we add these 2 stations to the stations list?): >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0=20 >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 >=20 >=20 > Just a note to let you know that WCSZ 1070 Sans Souci > (Greenville), SC is=20 > broadcasting in AM Stereo. Format is Regional Mexican, > slogan is "La Jefa 1070 y=20 > 94.9". > =C2=A0 > WIXI 1360 Jasper, AL has dropped Classic Country for > Regional Mexican. The=20 > slogan is "La Jefa 1360", and is broadcasting in AM Stereo. > ,_._,___ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 13:46:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41462 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2013 21:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2013 21:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.94) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2013 21:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 21:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.1] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 21:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 21:46:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 61566.92361.bm@omp1001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 6388 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2013 21:46:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tP0FjqsVM1mIkC4E2vLQrXSgfWiWdXML7WzKLH7tIwWVimy PaL2oKfAJFn.vRqRR8Iw_kw2B5bYzH7eOgo7bM1NQRhzPbCsIDQHIGcXT4U7 MqaoIVf1U5ANVxrNB7Po3uGYfEhkBK1aYOk63fvecuVVwOqS6VhPf1_CjatJ sVSQFoUYnXtR7BNv_u_9OVD8VQ.UmFWv1qxG4IHriBc1wZfNYSlrxWq8BCUj cQOpW1l5LprNsNRZuGo44koQyb_zb4kpDIfP3NEuKv6DrNVpkcH66WPBKLa6 fSnjySdcUvl22EiPjKzCxLftfZlBXUuSTvVqrcq5Lh.3tovD.Fj0sEoo3oH9 2aMTdjUNj6odTTggTBfH8Vp53u4aKKlt8KODAcunVHaWmkXBOmjRcIaE6Bo8 JlROGKRqID4Zo.txmqgwHxK0uJ122oAsCby4_IvXaU89Vj0zMhX2moxn4m9D ppz5TCRlrUWkXaCHYCUo7RyNGoFpuqTDKH7Ik8MHW51qYtudX_dTkFFEbwbp 4NO1PLj8EbjnPgTj4J1ZEQ8jurveh.PPr3E72d.N75_3MjbRASXrGDmeEe31 A7AfaXX9aQpB.NMY6089RF3dU8DhNKiUWcwTRNveVJwkHLc7DKhy3HkXcR7u mZdxReKmRiGSLrbOPomDVn8sEdVVrL4se6CjZvVCuetB_Ej6pJCfrVUVdK8m X54Nb_3eI827MaPp_I.WalnAn2l8qasFIwKBCmMaJSQ2F5BmlJ_moV9Ap1G8 1x6F3ybA3b3jU_b7TJD0nRnWnfWeevZqb9xPU0l8PsO4ShgnGvPsZ_3ncAsS Kba0nBj0VyfVppwNCanzWfJBXex7mAvJovm8KgeT.7tTkLIJAwEHsHfb_CeQ dYtuPt3eK2akux_XMS9pHu6FSZtekdQ-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web121306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:46:05 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,QWgsIG5vdCBvbiB0aGF0IG9uZS4gSSBwb3N0ZWQgbXkgY29tbWVudCBvbiBoaXMgZmFjZWJvb2sgcGFnZS4gDQoNCk1pZ2h0IHdhbnQgdG8gcG9zdCBteSBjb21tZW50IG9uIHRoYXQgbGlzdC4gIA0KDQoNClBvd2VsbA0KDQpOTk5OICANClBPUCBlbWFpbCBpcyBwb3dlbGwgYXQgYmFja3JvYWRzICBET1QgICAgIG5ldA0KDQoNCi0tLSBPbiBNb24sIDEvMjEvMTMsIEpOUiA8YTFhc3VyZnJhZGlvQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCj4gRnJvbTogSk5SIDxhMWFzdXJmcmFkaW9AeWFob28uY29tPg0KPiBTdWIBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.496 Message-ID: <1358804765.5876.YahooMailClassic@web121306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:46:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1358766419.22739.YahooMailClassic@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] WCSZ 1070, WIXI 1360 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=v4AR2_F2hXVqdVLW0QOjozqPaIBXqu7UDMH5eHtGBX0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Ah, not on that one. I posted my comment on his facebook page.=20 Might want to post my comment on that list.=20=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 1/21/13, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] WCSZ 1070, WIXI 1360 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 21, 2013, 6:06 AM > The AM Stereo Only group. >=20 > --- On Fri, 1/18/13, Powell E. Way III > wrote: >=20 > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] WCSZ 1070, WIXI 1360 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, January 18, 2013, 2:16 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A0=20 >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0=20 > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 > =A0 =A0 =A0 I can hear 1070 daytime. I seriously > doubt they are. I will have to drive to Greenville, SC to > verify.=A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > What other group? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=A0=20 >=20 > POP email is powell at backroads=A0 DOT=A0 > =A0=A0=A0net >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 1/17/13, JNR a1asurfradio@yahoo.com> > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: JNR a1asurfradio@yahoo.com> >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} Fw: [amstereoonly] WCSZ 1070, WIXI > 1360 >=20 > > To: "AMSF" amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> >=20 > > Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 5:45 AM >=20 > > From N=D8UIH on the other board (can >=20 > > we add these 2 stations to the stations list?): >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > =A0 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > =A0=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > =A0 =A0=20 >=20 > > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 >=20 > > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 >=20 > > =A0 =A0 =A0=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Just a note to let you know that WCSZ 1070 Sans Souci >=20 > > (Greenville), SC is=20 >=20 > > broadcasting in AM Stereo. Format is Regional Mexican, >=20 > > slogan is "La Jefa 1070 y=20 >=20 > > 94.9". >=20 > > =A0 >=20 > > WIXI 1360 Jasper, AL has dropped Classic Country for >=20 > > Regional Mexican. The=20 >=20 > > slogan is "La Jefa 1360", and is broadcasting in AM > Stereo. >=20 > > ,_._,___ >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > =A0=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > ------------------------------------ >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >=20 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! >=20 > > Groups Links >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0=20 > =A0 =A0=A0=A0 >=20 > =A0 =A0=20 > =A0 =A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 20:47:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6025 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2013 04:47:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2013 04:47:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.70) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2013 04:47:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 04:47:40 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 04:47:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:47:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50FC6453.2090306@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=4ozVzPhEiTZ0WiIQSecqXMV7UbUo9OZc9POs2ObdpCiPkICzcLadkXg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I said that faceiously as nobody had email addy's in 1980 that I knew of; w= e still had a pile of punch cards for our COBOL programs! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 1/12/2013 1:26 PM, toledohamradio wrote: >=20 > > My 2 cents worth (too bad IBM took the 'cents' charactor off of QWERTY > > keyboards and put that "@" symbol on instead - who would ever use that?= ) > > >=20 > How about everyone who has ever had to manually enter an email address? >=20 > Scott > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 27 13:37:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60527 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2013 21:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2013 21:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2013 21:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130127153649001340500010> for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:36:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <51059DDF.7050906@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:36:31 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:36:49 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130127-0, 01/27/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: AM stereo returns to Ireland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=06cPips_woCnXqbdOMsGQPrltSCT3HS1RsFEoBamHsyMHVlra7hq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude http://www.thebdr.net/articles/haps.html Looks like this is a temporary, special events station, but nice to know some folks still appreciate the technology. Be sure to click on the link in the story paragraph for more info Scott Todd From dcflux@gmail.com Mon Jan 28 15:31:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dcflux@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73798 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2013 23:31:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2013 23:31:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.198) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 23:31:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 23:31:43 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2013 23:31:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:31:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 199.104.207.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.104.207.2 From: "Matt" Subject: Schematics? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207784924; y=2j-vPE5E4nvZa24uhq05affifVK3DaOXg0drYIzYQ4GV X-Yahoo-Profile: dcflux Does any one have a schematic for the Denon TU-680NAB tuner or any similar = AMax certified receivers? --Matt From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Tue Jan 29 03:43:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75831 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2013 11:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2013 11:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.174) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2013 11:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 11:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.201] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 11:43:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 11:43:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 160216.29276.bm@omp1010.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 39421 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2013 11:43:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xJts7UIVM1nTgodeEATVwWRLBLWEE5MSSqaEHb0ZiOsua3F h3B0UxOoST3IDkVGZRnbtJCHgX_GqQNvB_M0UTzItNYmVdwOR0qdSaDfsaEN 02v5ZdxiUlsaaHCitwi0A2WYl78mY_O7cUYkE3fa2jawzdNcpkIhrBMUjqGS wOr3UJ3f0GEQRNtuYNoAO5W3K9BtpmnHcg6MnAdgSw11YnjlJxw.rS1z_YWj TiTeEwQBC1L4trEJEw7CZnqGmzS.J3KwWNliro8xyErqlOpB7ZdNJF1HEZt5 qMfwFUNI8vO6uYexO4IpmhN8Xx.IwC0kx0hy9i4PZaY5_s_bR_AUIm5veON4 Y.bKW.Q9DpwdCaRrcTP9JhK6NEgOLTdz69CBjFWT2Vzrtygd8QR_XxMAqOfD OwoohKzcUDMaZ7RVfPkZjOMhGNy063OoET7pwVH2l3HkViOtnvHbAjpjjeY8 2R38YDplcMvVPyQ8DWCSpF7ivNnPpohzqXkimfE8i_WaXfn6h8QsGFzZBpdE 2sZkpiIs2s03c7HRue_Aj076IkGB10zBXq8xjI9VggIIXoGKeCkwoJM23RzZ tUVaFC93EX2IKrHxYP397Lj04bxFdffIe0jCCTyUBTyVAFg6ObZzRVUJjytU Tip.JKR4c.p.7cC8oetRap4GwxBmdqSMjI0sJ7e1MsFTNZoCocYH4U9a5Jzc wWzZCxxwwx02eWqOHZcIscjxEx5FnwAtBJaW_EWY3hr9nPKOg0OQrwiKTq5b JWjln_qyLJHsYE8E_6ipvJVlZBmaYUSXs6uunGBtWRgHQ_JY8zLtX13Tv8BA IxxWeY_ImES8K5WQIuXRG5BQQXpZ1BR8n5jyUBFbYn4.eYK_rEDdFgHqc70A SpxeHS_Qr8EBIYRERcrvYYRov0bzbFimh7FO_x1OKBRtDaQ6i0Hrxj0FbVA2 pDi1zvNyb8Z6OD4iVFhWVkaAJAQt6OMcff0Jy28MCN_HvwDGC.lRSTYdeQXR fURSAv1m0qM38h6x0YdgWu7I4ZUYS3X2y_GZR8vJ69xzEzvK9fpxEEQeVCfJ Xh1YKK6MZ9ATPbKy0Z1kGUkyM6D46VQTCNPZFDpA.ugKSfOVQszviMDzhjv6 yovtcsK8G6M._7qsVLnXbYyhLJuzSue7v2f6zDQ-- X-Received: from [186.214.172.5] by web142302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 03:43:21 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,Q09PTCEhIQoKTmV0byBTaWx2YQpCcmFzaWxpYSBERgpGYWNlYm9vazogaHR0cDovL3d3dy5mYWNlYm9vay5jb20vYW1zdGVyZW8uYnJhc2lsCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRGU6IFNjb3R0IFRvZGQgPHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PgpQYXJhOiBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSAKRW52aWFkYXM6IERvbWluZ28sIDI3IGRlIEphbmVpcm8gZGUgMjAxMyAxODozNgpBc3N1bnRvOiB7QU1TRn0gQU0gc3RlcmVvIHJldHVybnMgdG8gSXJlbGFuZAoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.131.499 References: <51059DDF.7050906@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1359459801.38803.YahooMailNeo@web142302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 03:43:21 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <51059DDF.7050906@usfamily.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.212.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo returns to Ireland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=y95_txO_JW0H2pnKJpvnChkgxyzcpxHzGNGXSGLGIKfHpkBS X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable COOL!!! Neto Silva Brasilia DF Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/amstereo.brasil ________________________________ De: Scott Todd Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 27 de Janeiro de 2013 18:36 Assunto: {AMSF} AM stereo returns to Ireland =20 http://www.thebdr.net/articles/haps.html Looks like this is a temporary, special events station, but nice to know=20 some folks still appreciate the technology.=A0 Be sure to click on the=20 link in the story paragraph for more info Scott Todd ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 05:22:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61816 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2013 13:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2013 13:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.252) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2013 13:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 13:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.41] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 13:15:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:15:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 87.202.125.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.125.145 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: Schematics? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=YhHFDv-HcKobvzHnCR1zqJt_iRKIMKCqmNWivw0sE3M X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Is there something that you need to find out, for repair, or just want the = drawings for reference? The Carver TX11a schematics are available=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/CARVER%20TX11%20A%= 26B/=20 and there is also some photo for the TU680NAB to convert it to European - J= apan -US band channel allocations if needed. Check photos folder of group.= =20 I do have the manual for the 680 but not the NAB model...=20 I have done a lot of work for it before and I do remember the basic circuit= ry is the same.=20 Hope these can help you...=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > > Does any one have a schematic for the Denon TU-680NAB tuner or any simila= r AMax certified receivers? >=20 > --Matt > From radio774@yahoo.se Tue Jan 29 09:00:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53109 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2013 17:00:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2013 17:00:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.197) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2013 17:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 17:00:14 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.254] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 17:00:14 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 17:00:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 815425.99804.bm@omp1019.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 32106 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2013 17:00:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1Iv_iz8VM1l8dDiMUsTHg2xIOdWl6N.QVOKRiHhQ9hr8xwB fbtGaYZlxoq2BO0fWeIXxNgz9w5gOuSAv7N_6NKFZEIQ95bkJEgk1JaPAAVv XzgIuWmx1HvoSQ8FzIqwIajiPr1r_UTCSCAOSRJuejNDtQBEvS7hiJ0mnb2i r7SFjljmM9LvwS6z1hSVTcKsz5trBMgu.FhSERJdjxUY7xEhiNPbp4.5fP9Y OWUgR.WcRgR_rjQdyZjStM3WCZLhZYfQFoKu4wS6ruCUG1C67fOA_49c7fvb x5GUqJ1JJREakjpQNOdHC6xjuKgGU37zFu8040YvgmDhddSbVMAbFvMzBWgD 9_RxMwWzqi4eJw2.DpNuqobJMfo7.yG2PhRaWb.bc7ycgoaqsW8pJHgAwnkE LSS3jB90pF.iKiWIpY4HM2gX9AGqaBzV6y1PU.JnyZIShf_tHm.wkQ4d7hzs 39h6KuMn9Vm9YuzXnASZE9UOSranE2Hir4xWCHrooHLLaI5CJvEZLPIzeMAv G47GNT0iLqsDAMSF.jEJ2eE5EmVY5cdnM3Mkp.ImqgMEFm9uhCpWeSc7P6Qg WNtflhdFBaPLNO8WIfGWQhPEGaMX7kRfSRq_pxhHdhdqz.xSb4AxGyYa7M34 .1mtOG9.PtAdQV7ZUVAhYty81RrX_QVcXq1SlayUQXSS.Q7lgNHs0XZqd5RA 0SPxD17tTT6pOZbinz2zSs66BpsORNSLpoNZLN2FDVj30F4Y7InkIXsGEZpl nF8QWDvhJpP9yl.i.QnleRAhrT854PVJt.pAp67J2c0AVqjEY0dz5N2rtPlP itZ7da5p57dT8o5Zwx5U4U0FnWQaTt24ffCYc09P7bv_.xYmHZcCOnfWIuFE pK_j7fnXAkOTy3ibI.7pF_0kjPha2FmiXyGrUWrbwEV9om8Sy9749wIajryR B1eGOr7hnXR33LffGzO0P6STuSLrMRaW3Pva5Ds66IVU3VYtyLZZ2HwrcqYZ rqjpA1fNLQ4blHYwwc3NUuRWYQYB3ORPAzzPDSeDy_6fB6mWrVqvNs.EfiLC vz9Igl_UuW6aETXjMiJcj9NpZzNfuozO8nmsppdBj6SlslbC8l87exQqGJgd Kb48bhTCvk3gRsF3mm_Cei5.ajVJ_ZA8wqBBmBYvox9pzGin_nXYSAqnf1nW Gz6nNyaORv5y3j1bJYs19VDZPEIOkDWkf.OHIDdlsp7wPtGxNXQmB6vMtne_ hO3OJKk0yHKksjqLLqEJABTtM6Sk1xnmRjnDc4s8cZP0M4j368l8Ao4mjl8e 8055d.uyiNkQj.JHCfJ4Tntq9uYu823NDAYZQgVTcHVserDvv2vAIZ.MFTj3 dt0oLTkQQwiJh8t195rYzHgsTqN.ZcOEyFtMOWkOq0XvljKDZ9LngdnIv71N uyx_TRof2pry5oytMmEMUGTE8JqJwft7J42c6G9G82fTwN_oDXVjQ8Wuk8aC U0_H1D86Kc3xnm37HW1iNz2QJoL8teEjewcnFlQmKN5VnJJ3PPnslhcNlYxj F6faQnD2eCPA47bK6aW31pZLgJoigMsEIz.YjZwwShjRgXem3d4S7qlsF_CR xYiJzOa2IY8treo8KW6.4dwH9FxTW6QxV4cK5ED3CWmeaIKQyiVakTKVPVFe drFWRfvTIRMtY2vWbrG42vgDdtH3FG4z.WREoxppUQJCRpZp54Jrj0J2Iw1p EakyTNjUxq00x5imlR14yrh4sD_VwCj.9tlEftA.U40mUpV8n6nVtquYNq5h f9awPLdnpK.35BnaEbo_CLgAEJ0KizulgQ1lhsI1biU3S5gL97YTXSxjn7CW ZOjVnwgnt05SqaRXqdQWUGnWMS5Lf7s318il4V2Iq4b7gzfmDrA3hpBcdPsH bLn5fTANwyALID68zewJXeub_SauS5ULA0AQkJeItSfDbgi6hs2y1X3EfVGj 9RRzkA89Aj1NfoiPdmqArYRaMJCAK_OLc9YbUDUXFxNw- X-Received: from [46.195.51.136] by web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:00:14 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,U290cmlzLApkbyB5b3Uga25vdyBhbnkgd2hvbGUgc2FsZXMgYWJsZSB0byBzZWxsIG91ciBhbS1zdGVyZW8vZm0tc3RlcmVvIHR1bmVyIGFyb3VuZCB0aGUgbWVkaXR0ZXJpYW4_Pz8KSGF2ZSB0aGUgYm9vbWJveCB0b28sIG1vc3Qgb2Ygb3VyIHByb2R1Y3Rpb24gZ29lcyB0byBBc2lhbiBjb3VudHJpZXMuIFdlIGFyZSBkZWxpdmVyaW5nIGFtIHN0ZXJlbyBUWCBpbiBQRE0gYWxsIG92ZXIgQXNpYSwgYW0tc3Rlcm8gc2VlbXMgdG8gaGF2ZSBhIGNvbWViYWNrICEhIQoKQmVzdHMgZnJvbQpSb3kgU2FuZGdyZW4BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.131.499 References: Message-ID: <1359478814.91405.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:00:14 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=mmLiJj7F7x5piuOdUX7PyO817OnIzwXjGSTq_IROAcU6QX0 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sotris, do you know any whole sales able to sell our am-stereo/fm-stereo tuner arou= nd the meditterian??? Have the boombox too, most of our production goes to Asian countries. We ar= e delivering am stereo TX in PDM all over Asia, am-stero seems to have a co= meback !!! Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: pdmtr Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: tisdag, 29 januari 2013 14:15 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? =C2=A0=20 Hi=20 Is there something that you need to find out, for repair, or just want the = drawings for reference? The Carver TX11a schematics are available=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/CARVER%20TX11%20A%= 26B/=20 and there is also some photo for the TU680NAB to convert it to European - J= apan -US band channel allocations if needed. Check photos folder of group.= =20 I do have the manual for the 680 but not the NAB model...=20 I have done a lot of work for it before and I do remember the basic circuit= ry is the same.=20 Hope these can help you...=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr=20 --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > > Does any one have a schematic for the Denon TU-680NAB tuner or any simila= r AMax certified receivers? >=20 > --Matt > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 14:27:09 2013 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=35766;u=;t=1359503593;m=1474089610;s=1807306090; From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jan 29 17:05:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88355 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2013 01:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2013 01:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.158) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2013 01:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP168 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:05:00 -0800 X-EIP: [IieBwQRJxiU3wESrJFDXM5G3ra/7MxVN] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP168.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:04:58 -0800 To: References: <1359498428.59237.androidMobile@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:05:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2013 01:04:59.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[D324C440:01CDFE85] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM hey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ctDhbyytjAlmU3g6PEoA-mP8Icefn8jd1VFV9QpqxC4V X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd someones email has been hacked. malicious url detected per avast ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: "AM" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM hey > check it out http://bit.ly/XHRJvC > > Tom > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 05:04:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44093 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2013 13:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2013 13:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.135) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2013 13:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 13:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2013 13:04:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:04:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1359478814.91405.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.241.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.241.94 From: "pdmtr" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=s9zJlXhlTJVCNI-Yvgm_reXbQVZq1EuxwCi28Ta-lmI X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr You should better try to contact Luca at=20 http://www.radiostudiox.it/index1.html=20 Porbably he can assist you about that, if he is interest about them, as I'= m sure he will have contacts with some Italian market importers who are tar= geting quite a larger market ( >50000000) than the Greek only... ( <1100000= 0)=20 Ours here are not in place to order 2000pcs or more at once and at the pri= ces you have send me a while ago. From my view those receivers are a bit...= overpriced. Don't know ofcourse how they sound as I don't have a demo from= them, to preview. But price for such bulk order numbers is somewhat high I= think.=20 =20 About transmitters, yes we are also selling ours and seems to be an increas= ing interest fro AMS Tx;s lately. I don't know if it can be named as a "com= eback" but it's interesting as it is already! The major downturn for many b= roadcasters to turn to AM CQUAM STEREO is AFAIK from cnversations with many= of them, the lack of brand new receivers, and mostly the lack of car radio= s supporting it!!!=20 If there was soem car radios available as new after market equipments many = of them will turn back to CQUAM in the fly!!!=20 That is at least what i have as feedback from broadcasters who have asked u= s for transmitters, and also asked us where to find new CQUAM receivers... = When it comes to car radios... then they show up their scepticism if they h= ave to have CQUAM on or not!=20 That's the truth all around the world!!=20 Keep up the good work...=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 =20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Sotris, > do you know any whole sales able to sell our am-stereo/fm-stereo tuner ar= ound the meditterian??? > Have the boombox too, most of our production goes to Asian countries. We = are delivering am stereo TX in PDM all over Asia, am-stero seems to have a = comeback !!! >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu >=20 > Fr=C3=A5n: pdmtr=20 > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: tisdag, 29 januari 2013 14:15 > =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? >=20 > =C2=A0=20 > Hi=20 > Is there something that you need to find out, for repair, or just want th= e drawings for reference? The Carver TX11a schematics are available=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/CARVER%20TX11%20= A%26B/=20 > and there is also some photo for the TU680NAB to convert it to European -= Japan -US band channel allocations if needed. Check photos folder of group= .=20 > I do have the manual for the 680 but not the NAB model...=20 > I have done a lot of work for it before and I do remember the basic circu= itry is the same.=20 > Hope these can help you...=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris Pdmtr=20 >=20 > --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > > > > Does any one have a schematic for the Denon TU-680NAB tuner or any simi= lar AMax certified receivers? > >=20 > > --Matt > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Jan 31 00:19:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10050 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2013 08:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2013 08:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.196) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2013 08:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2013 08:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.236] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2013 08:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2013 08:19:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 190125.90698.bm@omp1001.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81449 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2013 08:19:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S.8X3UoVM1noVTe66vCKMuPN3hqs1A8owcjgVT_fjKk5OGV 2pKj1rPc9ixLG.3wW6Aexhk2SkF1sIQY18ZyFCVyhJgdghbrnDnVA.NzFSRu z6poiKK9l81AjPs6FWU7LNkI6Xoi47j5NRBiaLmiQAbua9ZrUzKRR2Pml1lT 0Soka.zNHdD5TdSZr5qcI4vWM_eJMRonvHfkFMApKaYicnaJHCFHVrhn7B8v ht_h9gEeeN0voRM4Ci.Z210G34T3TammduqGkFBA3FhWFQiFlOpaLObObW_D mj.HChXYFDJxkjYUbGSn1OCmtvAikv_zTbOJ4Yp_B.4VhwxoK.JifEmyp_V1 LzsPHG3tnjVbYXndvRTpRWCGHnQG_Yoz2hgps8.A5Dl24GFnQ1ZX6aNzvW9c LlaSOH5XHIFmzthvMyXvypmGDw6S1ApCwaRVtHGDBe6dBcdJd6BwxfDNOc65 _xkXAXcfRBDhlIIzyopomHerYu1l8BFABfIlz.h3yuVUD0eC6VHbfCbM3o6g h8O3t6H5RXRbzsX7QKZINH9vSRe4ZpYpTwe.pu.2SSKWXCOxQ09G4a1ZyNm4 dwvl.4gqTsxGZ2yjbzk0ztr1idvL7DkV5xyFZn4a6nNT80g_W.E_dv0lSAE0 FY.4hDco1yQuHVMG6g5JRGbKNnrFW3w4PD6EIv8b9LdlN0EuIYpsMTOHSOEK YURCmORzAMMzmhfD.ZNokRpHFKFy0lnkAvkv.EsiC_uGQimf87I1FlJZWM9W PDpN56HMd8Cmrj5efpMaKRnuuJRPTOlMxycEdwHu9AiQgQ9bvRiF_s3ejgXJ HmybfV5DgWRwVkhUsugnVs.GiMu7ShZagc1QYKjZly7FXseQ.Q3EPPpwyqi. tgcuruFBX5bA6OK.fbNbtwp027i9kVbC1q72S_EWfgteisnO_tGiEBW0zR1P 06ZTThcXx5yGVJ90AKuZKtgFN3zKCKXlZ_X1tFv2SRXVMbgxrvrsYRzg5jVD rCsIpAiKuEtxnOojH19epg9.tag8rG865HTbAGUqvZxMW1gpb023glJhxfXY ulkLLwsBh6QKn0_UcY1tjOaH.4uNDIcFV.0dzQwBghnVT1_RtqlqPAK_n1ZM cKPCVNQ2MtSZPiVq5cWlNxtU1bIDD7dD.hkQInZ8h9Y7XBv2KVkEVeHK9Xh0 S8_I32atjyHG1v71n.c9PFNMlHyLzRduPFy0sSqXaq7wjJyR5mCP1voXGrMb Doi0mNE9XjP1Fjw.Ek969dveTYkGB6I7F..ehCv40Fu3qESavDiKc8.Y424w xBp1b0Lg_O7mi4uMNymfAdRjUFw95tIGd.sJyPbXjmjsc34i3SSbFV5Z4aFf ZcFrQeXQj7GQB8qwwhxvG69x1d4TsD32a77zu4DogmknpYJu043wJloIBW.R QHDKTWPAcIxPxVm9pJTQxNBY3KHZWGBw_ad8RRCU4vB.Rm2k78QtMVmaptYB uI_qislRVP1OpW9FN9G3fkBnbXC6I3BMFuXRKcEkMcXPOdWpp.jCrcrFpuQ2 6kwOT33YQiLNevFA38NEMxud4B27kclzEu9KWCRBnDG3KKcLix1bBY3sCLG0 hqNcqO7PkEsfgob5kXoPuzhn7T_3qAGcn2vYdE1hzlPceDEhTxjDtRQDyfic poal.zlWYJGZ3UV4HEt3CC3uOJdg9AxWGnjXI5hb6AoAP19Ht3FG_y2RGeCM .V2uSmALlkinx9osYQDPrfP5gF8zQCFAjeXYfIh8DqRMyzeDyXT..vnK_lJa 7nN_S7PKZVWA8H1.O69a3R3MYfHGX4ddXSIdqiehztpJJCEAZ47cI9Wu_Y26 xs3M8VuKNbiI6fOPcDoqYBjcoGvpeuEz5wB8tVHzFpXFldPHEeNmendRzfUs UX3bypDOaGHNU0ZfeJVG2yPeKDNvyeKkHxHD5R4BVw36e4KgtL1n6WgHwJ_x cYXiUa.eFa85H832eO_Swrx299D_ic3sQCgh_Ss72JQ9sIF3v060nk2D6acO YQgogQfxZ5pXNaH2rl8sX7kORCGH7NKgZozyjkMVRA1F3lJnSvWvjImeimw- - X-Received: from [46.195.156.235] by web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:19:25 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,U290cmlzLArCoApoYXZlIGFsbHJlYWR5IG1haWxlZCBMdWNhcyBhdCB0aGUgcmFkaW9zdGF0aW9uLCBidXQgbm8gcmVzcG9uc2UuIGl0J3MgYSBjb3VwbGUgb2Ygd2Vla3MgYWdvLgpUaGUgYm9vbSBib3ggY2FuIGJlIGluIHVzZSBvZiBGTS1zdGVyZW8gdG9vIGFuZCBhbSBtb25vIGlmIG5vIHN0ZXJlbyBzdGF0aW9ucyBpbiB0aGUgYXJlYXMuCkV2ZXJ5dGhpbmcgYWJvdXQgcHJpY2VzIGlzIGEgcXVlc3Rpb24gb2YgbWFzc3Byb2R1Y3Rpb24uCldlIGNhbiBkbyBjYXJyYWRpb3MgdG9vLCBidXQgaW4gMy4wMDABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.131.499 References: <1359478814.91405.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1359620365.62241.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:19:25 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=XYroFuGpbJHgrty9c0hAgE2i8WwjCBsmvIEPniEUW-dt9w8 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sotris, =C2=A0 have allready mailed Lucas at the radiostation, but no response. it's a cou= ple of weeks ago. The boom box can be in use of FM-stereo too and am mono if no stereo statio= ns in the areas. Everything about prices is a question of massproduction. We can do carradios too, but in 3.000 pc orders or even mucch more. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: pdmtr Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: onsdag, 30 januari 2013 14:04 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? =C2=A0=20 You should better try to contact Luca at=20 http://www.radiostudiox.it/index1.html=20 Porbably he can assist you about that, if he is interest about them, as I'm= sure he will have contacts with some Italian market importers who are targ= eting quite a larger market ( >50000000) than the Greek only... ( <11000000= )=20 Ours here are not in place to order 2000pcs or more at once and at the pric= es you have send me a while ago. From my view those receivers are a bit... = overpriced. Don't know ofcourse how they sound as I don't have a demo from = them, to preview. But price for such bulk order numbers is somewhat high I = think.=20 About transmitters, yes we are also selling ours and seems to be an increas= ing interest fro AMS Tx;s lately. I don't know if it can be named as a "com= eback" but it's interesting as it is already! The major downturn for many b= roadcasters to turn to AM CQUAM STEREO is AFAIK from cnversations with many= of them, the lack of brand new receivers, and mostly the lack of car radio= s supporting it!!!=20 If there was soem car radios available as new after market equipments many = of them will turn back to CQUAM in the fly!!!=20 That is at least what i have as feedback from broadcasters who have asked u= s for transmitters, and also asked us where to find new CQUAM receivers... = When it comes to car radios... then they show up their scepticism if they h= ave to have CQUAM on or not!=20 That's the truth all around the world!!=20 Keep up the good work...=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Sotris, > do you know any whole sales able to sell our am-stereo/fm-stereo tuner ar= ound the meditterian??? > Have the boombox too, most of our production goes to Asian countries. We = are delivering am stereo TX in PDM all over Asia, am-stero seems to have a = comeback !!! >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0 www.ra= diosyd.eu >=20 > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: pdmtr=20 > Till: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: tisdag, 29 januari 2013 14:15 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 > Hi=20 > Is there something that you need to find out, for repair, or just want th= e drawings for reference? The Carver TX11a schematics are available=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/CARVER%20TX11%20= A%26B/=20 > and there is also some photo for the TU680NAB to convert it to European -= Japan -US band channel allocations if needed. Check photos folder of group= .=20 > I do have the manual for the 680 but not the NAB model...=20 > I have done a lot of work for it before and I do remember the basic circu= itry is the same.=20 > Hope these can help you...=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris Pdmtr=20 >=20 > --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > > > > Does any one have a schematic for the Denon TU-680NAB tuner or any simi= lar AMax certified receivers? > >=20 > > --Matt > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 08:35:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98106 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2013 16:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2013 16:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.98) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2013 16:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2013 16:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2013 16:35:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:35:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Roy's Radios?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Y4pOSm_gwM5Y9jy0NrhqYEmxCTLFB9ZqmzcaUMdOkDFYkBXnOo4KXkA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Roy, can you post some info about your radios? That is the other half of th= e chicken/egg syndrome is turning on CQUAM exciters if there are more than = just a few tuners out there (HD's that work, CQUAM still in cars) - especia= lly if a decent priced portable is availble at $60 US$. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=hsCg-Vioheeb_yzudtgkmbuLCR9JZYQ_IFtXEm5Td4R87yU X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, =C2=A0 cannot set the end-users price. It's the whole sales or dealers jobb to set= . Looks like the sales of am stereo transmitters is going up, mostly low powe= r stations.20 watts. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: torsdag, 31 januari 2013 17:35 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Roy's Radios?? =C2=A0=20 Roy, can you post some info about your radios? That is the other half of th= e chicken/egg syndrome is turning on CQUAM exciters if there are more than = just a few tuners out there (HD's that work, CQUAM still in cars) - especia= lly if a decent priced portable is availble at $60 US$. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=XWvL7Amiz7na7YwjSazrsLUqLzbgKXj8A0t5EbGg2Jy4EpUR X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Auto Radio Am Stereo: Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics AM Stere= o http://gizmodo.com/236239/directed-electronics-dmhd+1000-hd-radio-tuner-for= -your-current-car-radio http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HD-Radio-Receiver-Universal-Car-Connect-DMHD100= 0-Directed-Electronics-/121059767014?pt=3DCar_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers&hash= =3Ditem1c2fb972e6 Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: Roy Sandgren Para: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 31 de Janeiro de 2013 6:19 Assunto: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? =20 Sotris, =C2=A0 have allready mailed Lucas at the radiostation, but no response. it's a cou= ple of weeks ago. The boom box can be in use of FM-stereo too and am mono if no stereo statio= ns in the areas. Everything about prices is a question of massproduction. We can do carradios too, but in 3.000 pc orders or even mucch more. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: pdmtr Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: onsdag, 30 januari 2013 14:04 =C3=84mne: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? =C2=A0=20 You should better try to contact Luca at=20 http://www.radiostudiox.it/index1.html=20 Porbably he can assist you about that, if he is interest about them, as I'm= sure he will have contacts with some Italian market importers who are targ= eting quite a larger market ( >50000000) than the Greek only... ( <11000000= )=20 Ours here are not in place to order 2000pcs or more at once and at the pric= es you have send me a while ago. From my view those receivers are a bit... = overpriced. Don't know ofcourse how they sound as I don't have a demo from = them, to preview. But price for such bulk order numbers is somewhat high I = think.=20 About transmitters, yes we are also selling ours and seems to be an increas= ing interest fro AMS Tx;s lately. I don't know if it can be named as a "com= eback" but it's interesting as it is already! The major downturn for many b= roadcasters to turn to AM CQUAM STEREO is AFAIK from cnversations with many= of them, the lack of brand new receivers, and mostly the lack of car radio= s supporting it!!!=20 If there was soem car radios available as new after market equipments many = of them will turn back to CQUAM in the fly!!!=20 That is at least what i have as feedback from broadcasters who have asked u= s for transmitters, and also asked us where to find new CQUAM receivers... = When it comes to car radios... then they show up their scepticism if they h= ave to have CQUAM on or not!=20 That's the truth all around the world!!=20 Keep up the good work...=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Sotris, > do you know any whole sales able to sell our am-stereo/fm-stereo tuner ar= ound the meditterian??? > Have the boombox too, most of our production goes to Asian countries. We = are delivering am stereo TX in PDM all over Asia, am-stero seems to have a = comeback !!! >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0 www.ra= diosyd.eu >=20 > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: pdmtr=20 > Till: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: tisdag, 29 januari 2013 14:15 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 > Hi=20 > Is there something that you need to find out, for repair, or just want th= e drawings for reference? The Carver TX11a schematics are available=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/CARVER%20TX11%20= A%26B/=20 > and there is also some photo for the TU680NAB to convert it to European -= Japan -US band channel allocations if needed. Check photos folder of group= .=20 > I do have the manual for the 680 but not the NAB model...=20 > I have done a lot of work for it before and I do remember the basic circu= itry is the same.=20 > Hope these can help you...=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris Pdmtr=20 >=20 > --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > > > > Does any one have a schematic for the Denon TU-680NAB tuner or any simi= lar AMax certified receivers? > >=20 > > --Matt > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Feb 01 06:04:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52383 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2013 14:04:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.135) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2013 14:04:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.109) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2013 14:04:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2013 14:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2013 14:04:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:04:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 71.229.186.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.229.186.25 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: wsm to cquam any word? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Nzp3mPddaSUmp-q38OD8iZSkAYJqeppXQ4UDVYN50RQ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd any word on wsm going cquam? he at least get a exciter? if/when they go cquam i want good HQ bit rate audio samples of them in cqua= m playing some of that classic country from 50's or 60's along with some of= their stereo id's and sweepers. they had a good sounding station i imagine it not sounding much different t= han fm stereo after they flip cquam back on. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 07:32:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79793 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2013 15:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2013 15:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.239) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2013 15:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2013 15:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2013 15:32:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:32:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: HD tuner to decode CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ylv6NHZ4vHpQu8TBRcDZv7MNo6vwZx7CIr-IWT8ALNbTWWy46y_XGIw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio It appears that this unit will decode CQUAM - BUT - you must have a robust = pilot tone or it doesn't kick into stereo: John Auto Radio Am Stereo: Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics AM Stere= o http://gizmodo.com/236239/directed-electronics-dmhd+1000-hd-radio-tuner-for= -your\ -current-car-radio http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HD-Radio-Receiver-Universal-Car-Connect-DMHD100= 0-Dir\ ected-Electronics-/121059767014?pt=3DCar_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers&hash=3Dite= m1c2fb972\ e6 Neto Silva Brasilia DF From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Fri Feb 01 08:05:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5056 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2013 16:05:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2013 16:05:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s14.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.216) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2013 16:05:49 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W14 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:05:49 -0800 X-EIP: [vnEStCstk2dwqyfnV3qOeIbR9IhwEmpI] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:05:48 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2013 16:05:49.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[007D2920:01CE0096] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=E9z7MoFUy5fA3kkJRal_UsZG24e8bej5u5nr1IS_8lw4x89YWUo4T-_t Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Johnny- have you actually tried one of these yourself? I'm curious about th= em- Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:32:18 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 It appears that this unit will decode CQUAM - BUT - you must have a r= obust pilot tone or it doesn't kick into stereo: John Auto Radio Am Stereo: Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics AM Stere= o http://gizmodo.com/236239/directed-electronics-dmhd+1000-hd-radio-tuner-for= -your\ -current-car-radio http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HD-Radio-Receiver-Universal-Car-Connect-DMHD100= 0-Dir\ ected-Electronics-/121059767014?pt=3DCar_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers&hash=3Dite= m1c2fb972\ e6 Neto Silva Brasilia DF =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Feb 01 08:48:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20933 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2013 16:48:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2013 16:48:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.165) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2013 16:48:23 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP156 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:48:23 -0800 X-EIP: [0EwpT/h/+CCPmgLg6cK5ZCF7ydpdbFGt] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP156.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:48:22 -0800 To: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:48:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2013 16:48:22.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[F22C1830:01CE009B] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: lpb manuals, tech notes and white papers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=8p1bGeSR2-MIBx0uwyFBevJfSy6hrWDg-Hz3igESA1n_ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd looking for donations of lpb documents, white papers and tech notes. i will scan them as time permits and put them in a online library for all to make use of. i want to get a full collection to put online. i would also like to find the manual and schematic to the usi ta100 /l pb am2000 transmitter email for more info if you have mauals to donate. forumsnotify at gmail dot com From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Feb 01 11:40:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86557 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2013 19:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2013 19:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2013 19:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E49301C0001F4 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:40:35 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.13]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B8B69E000089 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:40:35 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <190b.3b45148e.3e3d7433@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:40:35 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:405134400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d510c1a336dc7 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} wsm to cquam any word? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=HnV_Oj1JLlQn9pg4Ge9JUDYaLscJ9-rWnvJNQwwrTe-zYb03l8L3 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I do a nightly scan of WSM 650 but haven't seen any indication of a 25Hz pilot tone or Stereo signal yet. Will keep checking them nightly. If the Stereo light comes on in my tuner this group will be one of the first ones I will notify. I am all set to make HQ airchecks direct to my hard drive as soon as I hear a Stereo signal from them. My tuner response is measured flat to 9.5kHz with a slight roll-off at 10kHz, then the sharp 10kHz whistle filter kicks in. Their signal is full-quieting here about 90% of the time at night. Only problem is sometimes on different nights I hear that "Cuban Warbler" signal right on top of them and it can QRM them for hours at a time. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/1/2013 9:04:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: any word on wsm going cquam? he at least get a exciter? if/when they go cquam i want good HQ bit rate audio samples of them in cquam playing some of that classic country from 50's or 60's along with some of their stereo id's and sweepers. they had a good sounding station i imagine it not sounding much different than fm stereo after they flip cquam back on. From mrcarlyle@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 09:09:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcarlyle@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88947 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2013 17:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.135) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2013 17:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2013 17:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2013 17:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2013 17:09:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:09:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 24.247.187.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.247.187.98 From: "JAMES" Subject: WION in Ionia, MI celebrated 60 years of their call letters... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=353429505; y=gIs1wvLMpI8JzjBVMydF3cvsLI0udKTucAvN9N9n1g_nTWjg X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcarlyle by announcing internet STREAMING of the AM Stereo signal. and having a ribb= on cutting by the local chamber on a new internet radio to be given away! Believed to be one of the best if not THE Best AM sound you'll find. Give = it a listen! Visit www.i1430.com for the Cquam streams address, and info o= n the phone apps! (android here now, I-phone very soon.) The stream comes from a Carver AM Stereo receiver in the Manager's office, = so it's representative of what is REALLY on the air, too! See the pictures on the "coffeecrew" page of the gang, and enjoy the site w= hile you're there. The station has its own online forum, sponsored by www.satelliteguys.us and= welcomes your comments on their forum, too! From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 16:38:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86944 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2013 00:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2013 00:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.174) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2013 00:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 00:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2013 00:38:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 00:38:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 176.58.143.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 176.58.143.173 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: WION in Ionia, MI celebrated 60 years of their call letters... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=kELAltjlYpX_IwZOevsWNH79W2p6MTn3ehu3kn2jb1g X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Wow!!! A station that demonstrates so proudly the AM stereo by showing a Ca= rber TX11A first thing in their site, it's sure that have an enginneer that= will make its sound to be excellent! IMHO that's the best tuner one could = have to defend what the CQUAM can do, in the HD vs Analog conflict!!! No on= e can stand in the opposite site if it hears a well adjusted modulated AM C= QUAM broadcast coming out from the Carver's brilliant tuner!!! No one... th= at's plain thruth!!!=20 Even in narrow IF selection, as it is set in the WION main photo, it sounds= almost as FM analog! Not speaking if you release it to full wideband mode!= !! AM audio heaven!!!=20 =20 I have plenty of them, and two are the main testing equipment for checking = at my lab! Still searching to buy more whnever I find one leaving its previ= ous owner... ;)=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "JAMES" wrote: > > by announcing internet STREAMING of the AM Stereo signal. and having a ri= bbon cutting by the local chamber on a new internet radio to be given away! >=20 > Believed to be one of the best if not THE Best AM sound you'll find. Giv= e it a listen! Visit www.i1430.com for the Cquam streams address, and info= on the phone apps! (android here now, I-phone very soon.) > The stream comes from a Carver AM Stereo receiver in the Manager's office= , so it's representative of what is REALLY on the air, too! >=20 > See the pictures on the "coffeecrew" page of the gang, and enjoy the site= while you're there. >=20 > The station has its own online forum, sponsored by www.satelliteguys.us a= nd welcomes your comments on their forum, too! > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Feb 02 18:31:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31751 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2013 02:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2013 02:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-10.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.170) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2013 02:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130202203020000232400011> for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:30:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <510DCBA1.5030502@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:29:53 -0600 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:30:20 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1359478814.91405.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1359620365.62241.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1359675763.51272.YahooMailNeo@web142304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1359675763.51272.YahooMailNeo@web142304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130202-1, 02/02/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=E_ChFlMH36vKVDMq_eUkwwwk0KbBYbNA6njUkNSGfLcs3hfbOpIl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 1/31/2013 5:42 PM, Neto Silva wrote: > Auto Radio Am Stereo: > > Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics AM Stereo > > http://gizmodo.com/236239/directed-electronics-dmhd+1000-hd-radio-tuner-for-your-current-car-radio > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HD-Radio-Receiver-Universal-Car-Connect-DMHD1000-Directed-Electronics-/121059767014?pt=Car_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers&hash=item1c2fb972e6 Your first link doesn't work. I went to the second and noticed absolutely no mention of it working with the CQUAM system. Have you used this item and know for sure that it will decode it? If so, does it do so with good fidelity or is the high end rolled off or missing? 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=5QlBwilRRVV3fzDUczXyJGn3I7ByuK7MDbfNQQLjppcuuV38 X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott Look: http://mysite.verizon.net/tekel/amstereo/radios.htm Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: Scott Todd Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 3 de Fevereiro de 2013 0:30 Assunto: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? =20 On 1/31/2013 5:42 PM, Neto Silva wrote: > Auto Radio Am Stereo: > > Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics AM Ste= reo > > http://gizmodo.com/236239/directed-electronics-dmhd+1000-hd-radio-tuner-f= or-your-current-car-radio > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HD-Radio-Receiver-Universal-Car-Connect-DMHD1= 000-Directed-Electronics-/121059767014?pt=3DCar_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers&has= h=3Ditem1c2fb972e6 Your first link doesn't work.=A0 I went to the second and noticed=20 absolutely no mention of it working with the CQUAM system.=A0 Have you=20 used this item and know for sure that it will decode it?=A0 If so, does it= =20 do so with good fidelity or is the high end rolled off or missing? Scott Todd ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 04 06:10:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43969 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2013 14:10:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2013 14:10:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.58) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2013 14:10:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2013 14:10:06 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2013 14:10:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:10:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1359914267.9008.YahooMailNeo@web142301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? (aka: CQUAM on HD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zXZFDKWdCZp5e1S_zE1QHrYF8T64auCyBjnowR4Y-JI3qukqD7GPj4g X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Only the Sangean HDT-1X model has full CQUAM support and indicator (with "X= " suffix). I traded-in my car with the Directed HD in it. I'll have to rig-up one usin= g an Alfredo Lite to test CQUAM again, so give me a week, unless somebody e= lse has one already installed that can verify it. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neto Silva wrote: > > Scott Look: > http://mysite.verizon.net/tekel/amstereo/radios.htm >=20 > Neto Silva > Brasilia DF >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Feb 04 06:16:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97568 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2013 14:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2013 14:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2013 14:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E3BB71C0002A8 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:16:04 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.1]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id ABB18E000082 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:16:04 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:16:04 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:394279232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2908510fc2a43ad7 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? (aka: CQUAM on HD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=OrOPywaRLtYu_0VFPS423oJRbCuQbpsYlDW5Z3HmMDiBcWRXCvA5 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I tested a Sangean HDT-1X last summer with a Chris Cuff AM-Stereo transmitter and it would not decode AM Stereo no matter how strong a signal I fed into it. I don't think all production models of the HDT-1X are programmed to decode C-QuAM AM Stereo. I think it depends on the DSP programming at the factory and it is the luck of the draw if you get one that decodes AM Stereo. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/4/2013 9:10:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: Only the Sangean HDT-1X model has full CQUAM support and indicator (with "X" suffix). I traded-in my car with the Directed HD in it. I'll have to rig-up one using an Alfredo Lite to test CQUAM again, so give me a week, unless somebody else has one already installed that can verify it. From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Feb 04 06:27:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71359 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2013 14:27:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2013 14:27:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s8.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.210) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2013 14:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W23 ([65.54.190.201]) by bay0-omc4-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 4 Feb 2013 06:27:01 -0800 X-EIP: [zN7ZSiT9JLOI3pMWPnoqPAGrcXAXRb1D] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:27:00 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2013 14:27:01.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[B271B070:01CE02E3] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? (aka: CQUAM on HD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=9xCL6dUnKIGBx9gTthJ0vceVJc6mVU6rVwecPxdPh2Io1ASzyq6ly2jj Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got one (HDT-1X)coming in and will report what I find. Also got one of= those $40 AM FM HD tuners on eBay coming to test. Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:16:04 -0500 Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? (aka: CQUAM on HD radios) =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I tested a Sangean HDT-1X last summer with a Chris Cuff AM-Stereo = =20 transmitter and it would not decode AM Stereo no matter how strong a signal I fed into it. I don't think all production models of the HDT-1X are programmed = =20 to decode C-QuAM AM Stereo. I think it depends on the DSP programming at the factory and it is the luck of the draw if you get one that decodes AM Stereo. =20 73 - Todd WD4NGG =20 =20 In a message dated 2/4/2013 9:10:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20=20 toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: Only the Sangean HDT-1X model has full CQUAM support and indicator (with = =20 "X" suffix). I traded-in my car with the Directed HD in it. I'll have to rig-up one=20 using an Alfredo Lite to test CQUAM again, so give me a week, unless someb= ody=20 else has one already installed that can verify it. =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Mon Feb 04 08:48:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98431 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2013 16:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2013 16:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.182) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2013 16:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2013 16:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.229] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2013 16:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1069.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2013 16:48:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 575718.16523.bm@omp1069.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 55575 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2013 16:48:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iFjKwBsVM1mjPYN2C_N7xF.7HZZ_5HSNv45ACvmO4RS6NdX wNYYEJxish3bh2ncia8QVfX5U0h5BtcKhUvxAYJhnD2v2DvmaJhZgjx0vR1Z 2ExVR_9LghYh.VVBU4Tignd4FYlohHaOMUV.c6BYoP53tMVgxey5ES5x3nq4 V8TRNIEq6vj6cLNSd1fmWctpeDJNcaogiM8yPY4OLgCNVbQwppVHf_PO_mnS 06EcZyEP797SOSL4RM4rgIGbFh_teluVMMWOuaJGn8XizXy_4kMG962hsY1E zx6iQBGHbkWbhKyKhNshc7p9aW.oCjwRSWRqbmVzbcfm2UP5_L8f3QhNN3kA m7jRnp4v7uadTpWW6zGfBQZxsJIxaiWgSeamIJz9gP92MoElK5o8gPoLPyMo r3B0mT.05d2PwhNjXryWinu1wDb2UeHWw.OAiV5Lg5ZA_SWM3d1sCBCHKBrr TV4BV0y8vw0fZrAzww4gHoVBojtWTUDm0uMqixMRPMDvmhloFTWvxnvQq1r3 NHAjSUlegY6q2PYfR6Ahwq4P7acdRRN8SbL2aXTdnUiYKoRyEAC0xY8RtKxj X2b6bPp2z5xgGYuXbgV7CIuok61zb2EXT.RNjOfmJ8QFZg7TMiJlz6P6cIul wuhqUC.W9CUsugxu3mQ13tb5x3HJcsQ_ktD1EOZiEhFmwUanofgD.OXwN9bb DwHWHy2EsXLbOiGyZDqbfWvWZwNQXO8QcQCsTOXH7vS8DyBiRsprh8j0FSEu .hB2PVXExGMaSxrhdtDOnUdsZDBIU5n7eu0LgF7Wq.K85cfajL6EkufOPMeJ bEPDGg_pDGNDfWLWJjmqjVsQBt_XLMnalJzCajIs6JY.KB_6pMLpMx_gSIWS DUphhqZMjrucMhpugPlM4sna27fJmMD.56yjJfTjhIxCfJgPF3jzdkXb1b7M aBEA3BcYZYCaq0hgGnrt_90dznBr.VRGx3N25r1zZJHVK0AEK9g-- X-Received: from [189.27.27.22] by web142303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 08:48:34 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,Q2hyaXMsIHB1dCB0ZXN0cywgSSBBbHNvIGdvdCBvbmUgb2YgdGhvc2UgJDQwIEFNIEZNIEhEIEF1dG8gUmFkaW8gb24gZUJheSBjb21pbmcgdG8gdGVzdC4KCk5ldG8gU2lsdmEKQnJhc2lsaWEvQnJhc2lsCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRGU6IENocmlzIEN1ZmYgPGFtc3RlcmVvZ3V5QGhvdG1haWwuY29tPgpQYXJhOiBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSAKRW52aWFkYXM6IFNlZ3VuZGEtZmVpcmEsIDQgZGUgRmV2ZXJlaXJvIGRlIDIwMTMgMTI6MjcKQXMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.132.503 References: Message-ID: <1359996514.54220.YahooMailNeo@web142303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:48:34 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.139.212.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? (aka: CQUAM on HD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=s7j2w6MNpFZQWX6Dhhf7qEA_FOSKBOoWdSrbXEwWT_beBKI7 X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, put tests, I Also got one of those $40 AM FM HD Auto Radio on eBay c= oming to test. Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: Chris Cuff Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 4 de Fevereiro de 2013 12:27 Assunto: RE: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? (aka: CQUAM on HD radios) =20 I've got one (HDT-1X)coming in and will report what I find. Also got one of= those $40 AM FM HD tuners on eBay coming to test. Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:16:04 -0500 Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? (aka: CQUAM on HD radios) =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 I tested a Sangean HDT-1X last summer with a Chris Cuff AM-Ster= eo=A0=20 transmitter and it would not decode AM Stereo no matter how strong a signal I fed into it. I don't think all production models of the HDT-1X are programmed= =A0=20 to decode C-QuAM AM Stereo. I think it depends on the DSP programming at the=A0 facto= ry and it is the luck of the draw if you get one that decodes AM Stereo. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/4/2013 9:10:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=A0=20 toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: Only the Sangean HDT-1X model has full CQUAM support and indicator (with=A0= =20 "X" suffix). I traded-in my car with the Directed HD in it. I'll have to=A0 rig-up one=20 using an Alfredo Lite to test CQUAM again, so give me a week, unless=A0 som= ebody=20 else has one already installed that can verify it. =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0=20 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 04 12:24:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75012 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2013 20:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2013 20:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.48) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2013 20:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2013 20:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2013 20:24:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 20:23:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 96.56.206.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? (aka: CQUAM on HD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=WWyRwdC_bpUtj5rB8yKvahFATZaWTbzIJjcYi9QBRoa1bb8I9g X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > I tested a Sangean HDT-1X last summer with a Chris Cuff AM-Stereo > transmitter and it would not decode AM Stereo no matter how strong > a signal I fed into it. Make sure you are running the transmitter from a well-regulated, well-filte= red DC power supply, at no higher than 9 volts. ("Wall wart" AC adapters ar= e unsuitable due to their lack of adequate filtering and regulation.) I fou= nd that some radios (even regular analog ones) are picky about decoding AM = Stereo when the Chris Cuff transmitter is running on batteries, but are fin= e when it's on a regulated DC supply. Also, HD Radios which support C-Quam may take a long time to actually begin= decoding the AM Stereo audio -- up to 30 seconds in extreme cases (weak/un= stable signal). From toddroberts2001@aol.com Mon Feb 04 12:42:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66143 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2013 20:42:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2013 20:42:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2013 20:42:55 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 288A41C00007F for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:42:55 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.1]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EDC10E00008B for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:42:54 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <1361b.6d979e4c.3e41774e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:42:54 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:474444128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294851101d4e17c2 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? (aka: CQUAM on HD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=nQnjHUozjJg3PG2kLvPQDWY6_LP-fHy-CMf5bDW30j2b_HaBpe7F X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Thanks for your suggestions. I will run some tests again on the HDT-1X using battery power on the transmitter just to make sure. I also tested a Carver TX-11A and a Delco UX1 using the Chris Cuff transmitter and they both seemed to decode the C-QuAM AM Stereo signal just fine. I was running the Chris Cuff transmitter using a 12 volt regulated and filtered wall-wart power supply. I didn't notice any hum on the signal, but it was off-frequency a bit, a few hundred Hz high with the original crystal. I have since installed a new crystal and trimmed the frequency to within 3Hz of channel center, so that may work better with the HDT-1X now. Thanks again - 73 Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 2/4/2013 3:24:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: Make sure you are running the transmitter from a well-regulated, well-filtered DC power supply, at no higher than 9 volts. ("Wall wart" AC adapters are unsuitable due to their lack of adequate filtering and regulation.) I found that some radios (even regular analog ones) are picky about decoding AM Stereo when the Chris Cuff transmitter is running on batteries, but are fine when it's on a regulated DC supply. Also, HD Radios which support C-Quam may take a long time to actually begin decoding the AM Stereo audio -- up to 30 seconds in extreme cases (weak/unstable signal). From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Feb 04 13:33:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93757 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2013 21:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2013 21:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.207) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2013 21:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W12 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:30:04 -0800 X-EIP: [B1QLCrnFSKQsnRhK2U3N4Z+/e1kDjH0a] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:30:03 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1361b.6d979e4c.3e41774e@aol.com> References: <1361b.6d979e4c.3e41774e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2013 21:30:04.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBFD7250:01CE031E] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? (aka: CQUAM on HD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=E3Ko5uj_l1KWaKnnV8YcIcLxMLtLGs7vNEH-UXVXxor4BrvRzP1co7Tw Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, my trannies like pure battery power best. There is also a wider window= of pilot adjustment with conventional decoded radios. I'm still not sure i= f the HD chipset decodes by the L-R difference alone. It may not even look = for a pilot. Just not sure yet. Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:42:54 -0500 Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} Re: Schematics? (aka: CQUAM on HD radios) =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Thanks for your suggestions. I will run some tests again on the HDT= -1X=20 using battery power on the transmitter just to make sure. I also tested a Carver= =20 TX-11A and a Delco UX1 using the Chris Cuff transmitter and they both seemed to decode the C-QuAM AM = =20 Stereo signal just fine. =20 I was running the Chris Cuff transmitter using a 12 volt regulated and=20=20 filtered=20 wall-wart power supply. I didn't notice any hum on the signal, but it was = =20 off-frequency a bit, a few hundred Hz high with the original crystal. I have since=20=20 installed a new crystal and trimmed the frequency to within 3Hz of channel center, so that may work better with= =20 the HDT-1X now. =20 Thanks again - 73 Todd WD4NGG =20 In a message dated 2/4/2013 3:24:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20=20 kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: Make sure you are running the transmitter from a well-regulated,=20=20 well-filtered DC power supply, at no higher than 9 volts. ("Wall wart" AC = adapters=20 are unsuitable due to their lack of adequate filtering and regulation.) I= =20 found that some radios (even regular analog ones) are picky about decoding = AM=20=20 Stereo when the Chris Cuff transmitter is running on batteries, but are=20 fine when it's on a regulated DC supply. Also, HD Radios which support C-Quam may take a long time to actually=20 begin decoding the AM Stereo audio -- up to 30 seconds in extreme cases=20 (weak/unstable signal). =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 21:45:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51152 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2013 05:45:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2013 05:45:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.213) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2013 05:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2013 05:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2013 05:45:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 05:45:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Test Report1: HD tuners to decode CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=54NE_QDJ7-Yl9ySZrnh_gp-dCTKJHTKCwRMBRYF8CYgcmCkDVTl1X70 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Test Setup: CCuff Alfredo Lite Deluxe with Two power supplies: 9VDC and 12V= DC. Set to transmit on 990KHz with XM symphony channel stereo audio input.= Checked pilot tone with Fluke: 24.9-25.0Hz. Test Receivers: a: Sangean SR-66 CQUAM Portable b: Visteon HD JUMP c: Directed Electronics DMHD-1000. Test 1: AL transmitter with 9VDC supply: only "a" would receive stereo. Test 2: AL transmitter with 12VDC supply: "a" instantly received stereo for quite a good distance; "b" received stereo after 20 seconds there was a 'phase inversion' and then= stereo audio with swapped channels - audio seemed to still have most of th= e high end; "c" would kick into stereo after 30 seconds with inversion; showed full sig= nal strength with both 9v and 12v but would only go to stereo with 12v sign= al level. Seemed to lose a little HF audio response. Was NOT able to get any of the 3 to decode WLS Chicago. Good: All would deocde CQUAM in some form. Bad: Only the genuine CQUAM worked with no problem or delay; others had a d= elay and a little audio chopped off on the high end. Ugly: Needed a VERY strong signal to deocde CQUAM. Hopefully somebody can = do some longer distance testing or mobile testing, as well as some over the= air testing in the real world. What did anybody else find out? John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Feb 07 09:22:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19032 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2013 17:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2013 17:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s3.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.142) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2013 17:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP110 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 7 Feb 2013 09:22:26 -0800 X-EIP: [0Mfa6iUqncFj3PvOhcTXxOquGvA0RUdR] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP110.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 7 Feb 2013 09:22:25 -0800 To: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:22:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2013 17:22:25.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[B26EC2E0:01CE0557] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: carver tx11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=0bqiEEy9KT0VTthI-dnIM6q03CIMq1w9mTwA4hmZ1l-m X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd got a pair of carver tx11b's coming in swap for a behringer vx2000 the tx11b's are cquam? From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 07 09:37:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92319 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2013 17:37:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.135) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2013 17:37:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vb0-f52.google.com) (209.85.212.52) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2013 17:37:21 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fa15so1737175vbb.25 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:37:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.220.116.5 with SMTP id k5mr2711570vcq.55.1360258640793; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:37:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x17sm39235077vdi.1.2013.02.07.09.37.18 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:37:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5113E64C.2040105@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 12:37:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} carver tx11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=dmvvj4cZKpoYaP13nMFnM015Z55vOpUkPJdxz4W3quXVjgWxySKSTqiI7dc5nQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 07/02/2013 12:22, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: > the tx11b's are cquam? Yes. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 08 07:31:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85854 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2013 15:31:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2013 15:31:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-02.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.152) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2013 15:31:35 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130208093128000746400010> for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 09:31:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <51151A2C.9000708@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 09:30:52 -0600 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 09:31:28 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <5113E64C.2040105@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5113E64C.2040105@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130208-0, 02/08/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} carver tx11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=_0Iy5-3tppOzbhxB7ENPAd12He2GOSqpbrvjZpUxyYmdvsK2fKN0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 2/7/2013 11:37 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > On 07/02/2013 12:22, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: > > the tx11b's are cquam? > > Yes. > > Kevin Not only that, but they have the correct NRSC de-emphasis curve. You got one SWEET deal! Scott Todd From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Feb 08 07:47:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33699 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2013 15:47:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.135) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2013 15:47:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.153) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2013 15:47:54 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP158 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s14.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 8 Feb 2013 07:47:54 -0800 X-EIP: [iRbV1dh66Y5nx3xF0NgIUj0BNllLCcDa] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP158.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 8 Feb 2013 07:47:53 -0800 To: References: <5113E64C.2040105@gmail.com> <51151A2C.9000708@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:48:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2013 15:47:53.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[A836C4F0:01CE0613] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} carver tx11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=SQ-aMd3iV35wDXTSHOptML-GbgsxbrkTAD0TnuS3wtZI X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i have a belar lp1 loop to use with it. iirc correctly it's cut for 1610 so it should perform great along the mid and x bands. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 8:31 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} carver tx11b > On 2/7/2013 11:37 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: >> On 07/02/2013 12:22, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: >> > the tx11b's are cquam? >> >> Yes. >> >> Kevin > > Not only that, but they have the correct NRSC de-emphasis curve. You > got one SWEET deal! > > Scott Todd > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Feb 09 07:28:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1649 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2013 15:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.135) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2013 15:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.162) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2013 15:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP196 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 9 Feb 2013 07:24:16 -0800 X-EIP: [8p1S6i5TlKWLi4RWjkY/bbq2zr2WuV16] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP196.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 9 Feb 2013 07:24:15 -0800 To: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 08:24:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2013 15:24:15.0596 (UTC) FILETIME=[8564AAC0:01CE06D9] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: carver tx11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=FfGlWsxzqsOi-Ib9k4jKndXvNdPf3ISqoH6kdl9DiNbG X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd anyone know where to get the up down button board for the tx11b? my up/down buttons for the station changing appears to be bad anyone have a parts tx11b with a good up/down board? From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Feb 09 11:32:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79300 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2013 19:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2013 19:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-04.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.154) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2013 19:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130209133151002237400010> for ; Sat, 09 Feb 2013 13:31:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <5116A403.1080502@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 13:31:15 -0600 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 13:31:51 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130209-0, 02/09/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} carver tx11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Dx5nOIMskFo39WJ5uAxji9gWcEL11RiuqvgR2rUbwmsyLlbDP9q8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 2/9/2013 9:28 AM, Part 15 AM engineer wrote: > anyone know where to get the up down button board for the tx11b? > > my up/down buttons for the station changing appears to be bad > > anyone have a parts tx11b with a good up/down board? > > A lot of the electronics supply houses may have similar ones. Check Digi Key, Newark and Mouser. Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Feb 09 12:35:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16361 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2013 20:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.135) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2013 20:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2013 20:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BB5253800009B for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 15:35:46 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mga002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mga002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.217]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 906BFE000089 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2013 15:35:46 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <31bf2.772b4607.3e480d22@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 15:35:46 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443493344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb5116b32233e3 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} carver tx11b X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=4Uy9Ao7MvHjGqonA7jeMB8dRl5ZmtDLN5NhmHAucMFgZXmvFCyBu X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 2/9/2013 10:28:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: anyone know where to get the up down button board for the tx11b? my up/down buttons for the station changing appears to be bad anyone have a parts tx11b with a good up/down board If you can gain access to the up/down buttons you may be able to get them working again if you can spray some contact cleaner/ lube into them. I have drilled holes into the side of sealed plastic switches before in audio equipment so I could give them a shot of contact cleaner/lube inside and got them working like new again. The up/down button board for the TX-11B should be the same as the one in the TX-11A or even the FM-only model TX-11. I have seen some junker TX-11 FM tuners turn up on eBay from time to time. Either way you will probably have to pull the front panel off the tuner to gain access to the switches. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 01:49:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73818 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2013 09:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2013 09:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm32-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.229.53) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2013 09:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm32.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2013 09:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.86.157] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2013 09:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2013 09:47:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 21293.20076.bm@omp1015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81835 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2013 09:47:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3BEKCXwVM1myMaVYBM2GwU2nu5a0tJe3z5I8t3R57jKIY23 TXfJN2mZvLS8TY06CHhjnKYw2WuT41zYwD.KqipnIbrqkPEJ31YzG6TwHt1X gfCA1R6YeckLIG7mCKiZRQuEvbS2Rw.27mCPoVh1LE70hW_zSduO0GHpLnV7 ri3s7KZ58JBH8U7nu_IWNBRQ6ePhg2W.SwVAvXkhQMWX3JUET5lDQ5iLHDSD MArbm4rXR5rJvA.eWUZnqyshx_1pyK5aHxOLcYZHdYsJfZhEo2ovrweXG6SH RnXVtTlBKbf6x70eS8gjYDPn_A4KSDDAPMjb6GRbBq739sZW3No1kP8P2In6 gmOzK8Q5zEwCbgU.E_ahOl2qnDXp4tRFOg3gYWVs260fT5OQQVyA5NyzuGoe uy6APwsUYAuMS.TdeECvtCTaUtiEB97tgtSjr3X_fAmDl4xBFh4pEzaMiX5h mIzvxcXlv5BL6q6IDN3ys7wGIEJgvOQ2spSkIi.RSPjCTMXrcoCBTzmDdQY5 LoDWdH_k6hF9LDHfY5Vo9BR4EpZnXMZaauLK_PpwSCa_ANdLYhRlR360Pui_ tfbuZPmlzIhBlkat5iMlvb9hizwE_BJjczx3R2oosZzSOnETRT7brqZ5LSoE - X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 01:47:31 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,aHR0cDovL3JhZGlvbWFnb25saW5lLmNvbS9jdXJyZW50cy9wZW9wbGUvdG9tX3JheV90b19sZWF2ZV93b3JfMDIwOC8BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.133.508 Message-ID: <1360748851.80956.YahooMailClassic@web122501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 01:47:31 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF , "A.M. 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The tests will happend in USA with a ve= ry well deisgned TX in stereo and a speciall ATU with whip antenna made in = USA. Later more powefull tests, 20 watts, 100 watts 500watts. Looks like AMStere= o is comming back in Asia since we do sell more of the tuner in that area a= nd Asia is a very big market. Time to replace the old tx of tubes, in some = cases considering a PDM TX with full AMStereo. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer Till: Rangemaster-Transmitters@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: torsdag, 14 februari 2013 18:56 =C3=84mne: Re: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website =C2=A0=20 my suggestion is to use a large medium Q core and a small to medium air=20 variable cap for the atu in order to minimize losses. also consider adding balanced inputs to the transmitter as well. i know these cost but i think people will pay for pro features. also consider going through the certification process for the usa. a target price of 600-700 for a certified cquam unit with the above feature= s=20 would not be unreasonable and i beleive people will pay that for a quality= =20 certified cquam unit with pro features and a well designed atu to match a=20 102" whip. shoot for a stable and efficient output stage to maximize output= =20 vs input power and close the large gap that is typical between the two. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Roy Sandgren" mailto:radio774%40yahoo.se> To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:48 AM Subject: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website Hi, the ASPISYS TX has all needs for europe and soon will be on tests with an=20 ATUwith whipantenna 2,4 meters, special designed. That will happend in USA.= =20 Testing our AMStereo tuner and fm -tuner. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer mailto:kc8gpd%40hotmail.com> Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com Skickat: torsdag, 14 februari 2013 17:37 =C3=84mne: Re: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website contact keith, he once gave me a procedure to wire my BE cquam exciter (should work for any part 73 cquam exciter) to his rangemaster. since you are using a type accepted exciter as a pll and driver for a type accepted part 15 transmitter tuned and setup for 15.219 it ***SHOULD*** still be FCC legal. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "lpamnet" mailto:lpamnet%40yahoo.com> To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website Roy: Heard from Keith. No plans to add AM stereo option to the Rangemaster right now. Lack of interest in the USA I suspect. --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren=20 wrote: > > Can you make AMStereo transmitter in your Rangemaster, 10 kHz audio or > more??? > AMStereo looks like have a come back since HD and DRM switched off slowly > on mediumwave. > We make AMStereo tuner with FM stereo and the boombox too, mostly sold in > Asia > > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 www.radiosyd.eu > > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: lpamnet > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > Skickat: tisdag, 12 februari 2013 14:26 > =C3=83"mne: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website > > =C3=82 > > Looks like it. Wonder how many people still have a radio with the old AM > stereo receiver? > > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren > wrote: > > > > > > > > =C3=83,=C3=82 This station in AMStereo too??? A TX from Aspisys.com > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > Box 14006 > > Se-20024 Malmo > > SWEDEN=C3=83,=C3=82 =C3=83,=C3=82 =C3=83,=C3=82 =C3=83,=C3=82 =C3=83,= =C3=82 www.radiosyd.eu > > > > Fr=C3=83f=C3=82=C2=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: m=C3=83f=C3=82=C2=A5ndag, 11 februari 2013 15:42 > > =C3=83f=C3=A2?zmne: Re: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Web= site > > > > =C3=83,=C3=82 > > i have the following for your list.... > > > > krocks radio one / zero point radio > > http://www.zeropointradio.com/ > > > > he is a broadcast engineer using "CERTIFIED" LPB gear to run a netral > > loaded > > carrier current using and isolated ground and is running in "CQUAM" > > > > he runs an alternative music format to get around > > bmi/ascap/sesac/soundex, > > etc and has a stream he feeds directly off the output of a cquam > > receiver. > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: lpamnet Till: Rangemaster-Transmitters@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 15 februari 2013 14:17 =C3=84mne: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website =C2=A0=20 I certainly would pay to have a CQUAM stereo unit with the Range of a Range= master. We then need to find someone willing to build and market a AM stere= o radio that can receive the signals. --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engine= er wrote: > > my suggestion is to use a large medium Q core and a small to medium air=20 > variable cap for the atu in order to minimize losses. >=20 > also consider adding balanced inputs to the transmitter as well. >=20 > i know these cost but i think people will pay for pro features. >=20 > also consider going through the certification process for the usa. >=20 > a target price of 600-700 for a certified cquam unit with the above featu= res=20 > would not be unreasonable and i beleive people will pay that for a qualit= y=20 > certified cquam unit with pro features and a well designed atu to match a= =20 > 102" whip. shoot for a stable and efficient output stage to maximize outp= ut=20 > vs input power and close the large gap that is typical between the two. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Roy Sandgren"=20 > To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:48 AM > Subject: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > the ASPISYS TX has all needs for europe and soon will be on tests with an= =20 > ATUwith whipantenna 2,4 meters, special designed. That will happend in US= A.=20 > Testing our AMStereo tuner and fm -tuner. >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN www.radiosyd.eu >=20 > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer=20 > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > Skickat: torsdag, 14 februari 2013 17:37 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: Re: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Websi= te >=20 >=20 > contact keith, he once gave me a procedure to wire my BE cquam exciter > (should work for any part 73 cquam exciter) to his rangemaster. >=20 > since you are using a type accepted exciter as a pll and driver for a typ= e > accepted part 15 transmitter tuned and setup for 15.219 it ***SHOULD*** > still be FCC legal. >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "lpamnet" mailto:lpamnet%40yahoo.com> > To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:24 AM > Subject: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website >=20 > Roy: >=20 > Heard from Keith. No plans to add AM stereo option to the Rangemaster rig= ht > now. Lack of interest in the USA I suspect. >=20 > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren=20 > wrote: > > > > Can you make AMStereo transmitter in your Rangemaster, 10 kHz audio or > > more??? > > AMStereo looks like have a come back since HD and DRM switched off slow= ly > > on mediumwave. > > We make AMStereo tuner with FM stereo and the boombox too, mostly sold = in > > Asia > > > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > Box 14006 > > Se-20024 Malmo > > SWEDEN=C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A = =C3=83=E2=80=9A www.radiosyd.eu > > > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92=C3=82=C2=A5n: lpamnet > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: tisdag, 12 februari 2013 14:26 > > =C3=83=C6=92"mne: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Websi= te > > > > =C3=83=E2=80=9A > > > > Looks like it. Wonder how many people still have a radio with the old A= M > > stereo receiver? > > > > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > =C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A This station in AMStereo too??? A TX fro= m Aspisys.com > > > Bests from > > > Roy Sandgren > > > Box 14006 > > > Se-20024 Malmo > > > SWEDEN=C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3= =83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83= =E2=80=9A www.radiosyd.eu > > > > > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92f=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer > > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > > > Skickat: m=C3=83=C6=92f=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A5ndag, 11 februari 2= 013 15:42 > > > =C3=83=C6=92f=C3=83=C2=A2?zmne: Re: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LP= AM Network Website > > > > > > =C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A > > > i have the following for your list.... > > > > > > krocks radio one / zero point radio > > > http://www.zeropointradio.com/ > > > > > > he is a broadcast engineer using "CERTIFIED" LPB gear to run a netral > > > loaded > > > carrier current using and isolated ground and is running in "CQUAM" > > > > > > he runs an alternative music format to get around > > > bmi/ascap/sesac/soundex, > > > etc and has a stream he feeds directly off the output of a cquam > > > receiver. > > > > > >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 07:10:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64230 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2013 15:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2013 15:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.155) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2013 15:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP404 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:10:39 -0800 X-EIP: [+u7H2YwX4YLeoLNiKnEoLF55AmI70dtP] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP404.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:10:38 -0800 To: References: <1360940198.84326.YahooMailNeo@web132503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:10:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2013 15:10:38.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CE0E8D0:01CE0B8E] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Kj7XL_QrraR6gq-RnIdKVvj6ipRogmLyFzFCNtM9XFPs X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd 3 problems. 1) not certified 2) consumer level (unbalanced) inputs 3) no low loss internal ATU like most certified and kit transmitters your transmitter is excellent for retrofitting a lpb or RS carrier current= =20 transmitter for cquam also for broadcasting around your home but not so goo= d=20 for long range 15.219 it's an excellent little transmitter but it is what it is and what it is=20 good for. good news is my earlier suggestions to you would make it viable for 15.219 even just implementing my atu idea with an efficient output stage, and=20 balanced inputs would make it viable for many. you make tuners, meduci makes tuners, there are tx11b's and other quality=20 cquam rx's all over ebay so tuner availablity is not an issue. in short it is a good little design and with a few tweeks can be a great=20 design. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Roy Sandgren" To: ;=20 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 7:56 AM Subject: {AMSF} SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website Hi, what's the problem?? AMStereo TX aviable 100mW and even AMStereo tuners !!! Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: lpamnet Till: Rangemaster-Transmitters@yahoogroups.com Skickat: fredag, 15 februari 2013 14:17 =C3=84mne: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website I certainly would pay to have a CQUAM stereo unit with the Range of a=20 Rangemaster. We then need to find someone willing to build and market a AM= =20 stereo radio that can receive the signals. --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM=20 engineer wrote: > > my suggestion is to use a large medium Q core and a small to medium air > variable cap for the atu in order to minimize losses. > > also consider adding balanced inputs to the transmitter as well. > > i know these cost but i think people will pay for pro features. > > also consider going through the certification process for the usa. > > a target price of 600-700 for a certified cquam unit with the above=20 > features > would not be unreasonable and i beleive people will pay that for a qualit= y > certified cquam unit with pro features and a well designed atu to match a > 102" whip. shoot for a stable and efficient output stage to maximize=20 > output > vs input power and close the large gap that is typical between the two. > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Roy Sandgren" > To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:48 AM > Subject: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website > > > Hi, > > the ASPISYS TX has all needs for europe and soon will be on tests with an > ATUwith whipantenna 2,4 meters, special designed. That will happend in=20 > USA. > Testing our AMStereo tuner and fm -tuner. > > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN www.radiosyd.eu > > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > Skickat: torsdag, 14 februari 2013 17:37 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: Re: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Websi= te > > > contact keith, he once gave me a procedure to wire my BE cquam exciter > (should work for any part 73 cquam exciter) to his rangemaster. > > since you are using a type accepted exciter as a pll and driver for a typ= e > accepted part 15 transmitter tuned and setup for 15.219 it ***SHOULD*** > still be FCC legal. > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "lpamnet" mailto:lpamnet%40yahoo.com> > To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:24 AM > Subject: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website > > Roy: > > Heard from Keith. No plans to add AM stereo option to the Rangemaster=20 > right > now. Lack of interest in the USA I suspect. > > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren > wrote: > > > > Can you make AMStereo transmitter in your Rangemaster, 10 kHz audio or > > more??? > > AMStereo looks like have a come back since HD and DRM switched off=20 > > slowly > > on mediumwave. > > We make AMStereo tuner with FM stereo and the boombox too, mostly sold= =20 > > in > > Asia > > > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > Box 14006 > > Se-20024 Malmo > > SWEDEN=C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=E2=80=9A = =C3=83=E2=80=9A www.radiosyd.eu > > > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92=C3=82=C2=A5n: lpamnet > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: tisdag, 12 februari 2013 14:26 > > =C3=83=C6=92"mne: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Websi= te > > > > =C3=83=E2=80=9A > > > > Looks like it. Wonder how many people still have a radio with the old A= M > > stereo receiver? > > > > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > =C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A This station in AMStereo too??? A TX fro= m Aspisys.com > > > Bests from > > > Roy Sandgren > > > Box 14006 > > > Se-20024 Malmo > > > SWEDEN=C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3= =83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A =C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83= =E2=80=9A www.radiosyd.eu > > > > > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92f=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer > > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > > > Skickat: m=C3=83=C6=92f=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A5ndag, 11 februari 2= 013 15:42 > > > =C3=83=C6=92f=C3=83=C2=A2?zmne: Re: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LP= AM Network Website > > > > > > =C3=83=C6=92,=C3=83=E2=80=9A > > > i have the following for your list.... > > > > > > krocks radio one / zero point radio > > > http://www.zeropointradio.com/ > > > > > > he is a broadcast engineer using "CERTIFIED" LPB gear to run a netral > > > loaded > > > carrier current using and isolated ground and is running in "CQUAM" > > > > > > he runs an alternative music format to get around > > > bmi/ascap/sesac/soundex, > > > etc and has a stream he feeds directly off the output of a cquam > > > receiver. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! 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We do AMStereo tuners with a=C2=A0bandwidth of 10 kHz=C2=A0or 15 kHz and wi= th FM-stereo, 75 Ohm FM antenna input, loop-antenna to AM. Even boombox tak= e a look at our site pls, Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: lpamnet Till: Rangemaster-Transmitters@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 15 februari 2013 17:06 =C3=84mne: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website =C2=A0=20 Need a transmitter that is Type Certified by the FCC and has the range of t= he Rangemaster.=20 Can you provide a link or two to AM stereo radios currently in production w= ith the CQUAM system? --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrot= e: > > Hi, > =C3=82=C2=A0 > what's the problem??=C3=82=C2=A0 AMStereo TX aviable 100mW and even AMSte= reo tuners !!! >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0 www.ra= diosyd.eu >=20 > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: lpamnet=20 > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: fredag, 15 februari 2013 14:17 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 > I certainly would pay to have a CQUAM stereo unit with the Range of a Ran= gemaster. We then need to find someone willing to build and market a AM ste= reo radio that can receive the signals. >=20 > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engi= neer wrote: > > > > my suggestion is to use a large medium Q core and a small to medium air= =20 > > variable cap for the atu in order to minimize losses. > >=20 > > also consider adding balanced inputs to the transmitter as well. > >=20 > > i know these cost but i think people will pay for pro features. > >=20 > > also consider going through the certification process for the usa. > >=20 > > a target price of 600-700 for a certified cquam unit with the above fea= tures=20 > > would not be unreasonable and i beleive people will pay that for a qual= ity=20 > > certified cquam unit with pro features and a well designed atu to match= a=20 > > 102" whip. shoot for a stable and efficient output stage to maximize ou= tput=20 > > vs input power and close the large gap that is typical between the two. > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Roy Sandgren"=20 > > To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:48 AM > > Subject: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > the ASPISYS TX has all needs for europe and soon will be on tests with = an=20 > > ATUwith whipantenna 2,4 meters, special designed. That will happend in = USA.=20 > > Testing our AMStereo tuner and fm -tuner. > >=20 > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > Box 14006 > > Se-20024 Malmo > > SWEDEN www.radiosyd.eu > >=20 > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92=C3=82=C2=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer=20 > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: torsdag, 14 februari 2013 17:37 > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=BEmne: Re: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re= : LPAM Network Website > >=20 > >=20 > > contact keith, he once gave me a procedure to wire my BE cquam exciter > > (should work for any part 73 cquam exciter) to his rangemaster. > >=20 > > since you are using a type accepted exciter as a pll and driver for a t= ype > > accepted part 15 transmitter tuned and setup for 15.219 it ***SHOULD*** > > still be FCC legal. > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "lpamnet" mailto:lpamnet%40yahoo.com> > > To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:24 AM > > Subject: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website > >=20 > > Roy: > >=20 > > Heard from Keith. No plans to add AM stereo option to the Rangemaster r= ight > > now. Lack of interest in the USA I suspect. > >=20 > > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren= =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > Can you make AMStereo transmitter in your Rangemaster, 10 kHz audio o= r > > > more??? > > > AMStereo looks like have a come back since HD and DRM switched off sl= owly > > > on mediumwave. > > > We make AMStereo tuner with FM stereo and the boombox too, mostly sol= d in > > > Asia > > > > > > Bests from > > > Roy Sandgren > > > Box 14006 > > > Se-20024 Malmo > > > SWEDEN=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC= =C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 = =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 www.radiosyd.eu > > > > > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A5n: lpamnet > > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > > > Skickat: tisdag, 12 februari 2013 14:26 > > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'"mne: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Netw= ork Website > > > > > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 > > > > > > Looks like it. Wonder how many people still have a radio with the old= AM > > > stereo receiver? > > > > > > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgre= n > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 This station = in AMStereo too??? A TX from Aspisys.com > > > > Bests from > > > > Roy Sandgren > > > > Box 14006 > > > > Se-20024 Malmo > > > > SWEDEN=C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83= =C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83= =C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC= =C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 www.radiosyd.e= u > > > > > > > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'f=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1=C3=83=E2=80= =9A=C3=82=C2=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer > > > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > > > > Skickat: m=C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'f=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1=C3= =83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A5ndag, 11 februari 2013 15:42 > > > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'f=C3=83=C6=92=C3=82=C2=A2?zmne: Re: [Rangemaster= -Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website > > > > > > > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 > > > > i have the following for your list.... > > > > > > > > krocks radio one / zero point radio > > > > http://www.zeropointradio.com/ > > > > > > > > he is a broadcast engineer using "CERTIFIED" LPB gear to run a netr= al > > > > loaded > > > > carrier current using and isolated ground and is running in "CQUAM" > > > > > > > > he runs an alternative music format to get around > > > > bmi/ascap/sesac/soundex, > > > > etc and has a stream he feeds directly off the output of a cquam > > > > receiver. > > > > > > > > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Yahoo! 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We then need to find someone willing to build and market a AM ste= reo radio that can receive the signals. >=20 > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engi= neer wrote: > > > > my suggestion is to use a large medium Q core and a small to medium air= =20 > > variable cap for the atu in order to minimize losses. > >=20 > > also consider adding balanced inputs to the transmitter as well. > >=20 > > i know these cost but i think people will pay for pro features. > >=20 > > also consider going through the certification process for the usa. > >=20 > > a target price of 600-700 for a certified cquam unit with the above fea= tures=20 > > would not be unreasonable and i beleive people will pay that for a qual= ity=20 > > certified cquam unit with pro features and a well designed atu to match= a=20 > > 102" whip. shoot for a stable and efficient output stage to maximize ou= tput=20 > > vs input power and close the large gap that is typical between the two. > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Roy Sandgren"=20 > > To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:48 AM > > Subject: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > the ASPISYS TX has all needs for europe and soon will be on tests with = an=20 > > ATUwith whipantenna 2,4 meters, special designed. That will happend in = USA.=20 > > Testing our AMStereo tuner and fm -tuner. > >=20 > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > Box 14006 > > Se-20024 Malmo > > SWEDEN www.radiosyd.eu > >=20 > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92=C3=82=C2=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer=20 > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > > Skickat: torsdag, 14 februari 2013 17:37 > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=BEmne: Re: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re= : LPAM Network Website > >=20 > >=20 > > contact keith, he once gave me a procedure to wire my BE cquam exciter > > (should work for any part 73 cquam exciter) to his rangemaster. > >=20 > > since you are using a type accepted exciter as a pll and driver for a t= ype > > accepted part 15 transmitter tuned and setup for 15.219 it ***SHOULD*** > > still be FCC legal. > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "lpamnet" mailto:lpamnet%40yahoo.com> > > To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:24 AM > > Subject: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website > >=20 > > Roy: > >=20 > > Heard from Keith. No plans to add AM stereo option to the Rangemaster r= ight > > now. Lack of interest in the USA I suspect. > >=20 > > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren= =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > Can you make AMStereo transmitter in your Rangemaster, 10 kHz audio o= r > > > more??? > > > AMStereo looks like have a come back since HD and DRM switched off sl= owly > > > on mediumwave. > > > We make AMStereo tuner with FM stereo and the boombox too, mostly sol= d in > > > Asia > > > > > > Bests from > > > Roy Sandgren > > > Box 14006 > > > Se-20024 Malmo > > > SWEDEN=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC= =C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 = =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 www.radiosyd.eu > > > > > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A5n: lpamnet > > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > > > Skickat: tisdag, 12 februari 2013 14:26 > > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'"mne: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Netw= ork Website > > > > > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 > > > > > > Looks like it. Wonder how many people still have a radio with the old= AM > > > stereo receiver? > > > > > > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgre= n > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 This station = in AMStereo too??? A TX from Aspisys.com > > > > Bests from > > > > Roy Sandgren > > > > Box 14006 > > > > Se-20024 Malmo > > > > SWEDEN=C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83= =C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83= =C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC= =C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 www.radiosyd.e= u > > > > > > > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'f=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1=C3=83=E2=80= =9A=C3=82=C2=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer > > > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com > > > > Skickat: m=C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'f=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1=C3= =83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A5ndag, 11 februari 2013 15:42 > > > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'f=C3=83=C6=92=C3=82=C2=A2?zmne: Re: [Rangemaster= -Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website > > > > > > > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 > > > > i have the following for your list.... > > > > > > > > krocks radio one / zero point radio > > > > http://www.zeropointradio.com/ > > > > > > > > he is a broadcast engineer using "CERTIFIED" LPB gear to run a netr= al > > > > loaded > > > > carrier current using and isolated ground and is running in "CQUAM" > > > > > > > > he runs an alternative music format to get around > > > > bmi/ascap/sesac/soundex, > > > > etc and has a stream he feeds directly off the output of a cquam > > > > receiver. > > > > > > > > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Yahoo! 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TX and RX all= full stereo 15 khz. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Richard Martin Till: Rangemaster-Transmitters@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 15 februari 2013 17:23 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website =C2=A0=20 The link you provided shows only receivers (2) - no transmitters. At least = that's what I got when I clicked the link.=20 rickity On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Roy Sandgren wrote: =C2=A0=20 > > >Will inform you soon as the test is going on and wich company doing this.I= N USA. >We do AMStereo tuners with a=C2=A0bandwidth of 10 kHz=C2=A0or 15 kHz and w= ith FM-stereo, 75 Ohm FM antenna input, loop-antenna to AM. Even boombox ta= ke a look at our site pls, > >Bests fromRoy SandgrenBox 14006Se-20024 MalmoSWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 http://www.radiosyd.eu/ >Fr=C3=A5n: lpamnet >Till: Rangemaster-Transmitters@yahoogroups.com=20 >Skickat: fredag, 15 februari 2013 17:06 >=C3=84mne: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website > >=C2=A0=20 >Need a transmitter that is Type Certified by the FCC and has the range of = the Rangemaster. Can you provide a link or two to AM stereo radios currentl= y in production with the CQUAM system?--- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitter= s%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote:>> Hi,> =C3=82=C2=A0> what's the pr= oblem??=C3=82=C2=A0 AMStereo TX aviable 100mW and even AMStereo tuners !!!>= > Bests from> Roy Sandgren> Box 14006> Se-20024 Malmo> SWEDEN=C3=82=C2=A0= =C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0 http://www.radiosyd.eu/> >= Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: lpamnet > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogr= oups.com > Skickat: fredag, 15 februari 2013 14:17> =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: [Ra= ngemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website> > =C3=82=C2=A0 > I certai= nly would pay to have a CQUAM stereo unit with the Range of a Rangemaster. = We then need to find someone willing to build and market a AM stereo radio = that can receive the signals.> > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40y= ahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer wrote:> >> > my suggestion is to use a large medium Q core and a small to medium air > > variable cap for the atu= in order to minimize losses.> > > > also consider adding balanced inputs t= o the transmitter as well.> > > > i know these cost but i think people will= pay for pro features.> > > > also consider going through the certification= process for the usa.> > > > a target price of 600-700 for a certified cqua= m unit with the above features > > would not be unreasonable and i beleive = people will pay that for a quality > > certified cquam unit with pro featur= es and a well designed atu to match a > > 102" whip. shoot for a stable and= efficient output stage to maximize output > > vs input power and close the= large gap that is typical between the two.> > > > > > ----- Original Messa= ge ----- > > From: "Roy Sandgren" > > To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%4= 0yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:48 AM> > Subject:= SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website> > > > > > Hi,> > > > the ASPISYS TX has all needs for europe and soon will be on tes= ts with an > > ATUwith whipantenna 2,4 meters, special designed. That will = happend in USA. > > Testing our AMStereo tuner and fm -tuner.> > > > Bests = from> > Roy Sandgren> > Box 14006> > Se-20024 Malmo> > SWEDEN http://www.ra= diosyd.eu/> > > > Fr=C3=83=C6=92=C3=82=C2=A5n: Part 15 AM engineer > > Till= : mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> > Skickat: torsdag, 14= februari 2013 17:37> > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=BEmne: Re: [Rangemas= ter-Transmitters] Re: LPAM Network Website> > > > > > contact keith, he onc= e gave me a procedure to wire my BE cquam exciter> > (should work for any p= art 73 cquam exciter) to his rangemaster.> > > > since you are using a type= accepted exciter as a pll and driver for a type> > accepted part 15 transm= itter tuned and setup for 15.219 it ***SHOULD***> > still be FCC legal.> > = > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "lpamnet" mailto:lpamnet%40yahoo= .com>> > To: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, Febr= uary 14, 2013 9:24 AM> > Subject: SV: [Rangemaster-Transmitters] Re: LPAM N= etwork Website> > > > Roy:> > > > Heard from Keith. No plans to add AM ster= eo option to the Rangemaster right> > now. Lack of interest in the USA I su= spect.> > > > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy= Sandgren > > wrote:> > >> > > Can you make AMStereo transmitter in your Ra= ngemaster, 10 kHz audio or> > > more???> > > AMStereo looks like have a com= e back since HD and DRM switched off slowly> > > on mediumwave.> > > We mak= e AMStereo tuner with FM stereo and the boombox too, mostly sold in> > > As= ia> > >> > > Bests from> > > Roy Sandgren> > > Box 14006> > > Se-20024 Malm= o> > > SWEDEN=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC= =C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 = =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 http://www.radiosyd.eu/> > >> > > Fr=C3= =83=C6=92=C3=86'=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A5n: lpamnet> > > Till: mailto:Ran= gemaster-Transmitters%40yahoogroups.com> > > Skickat: tisdag, 12 februari 2013 14:26> > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'"mne: SV: [Rangemaster-Tran= smitters] Re: LPAM Network Website> > >> > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5= =A1> > >> > > Looks like it. Wonder how many people still have a radio with= the old AM> > > stereo receiver?> > >> > > --- In mailto:Rangemaster-Trans= mitters%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> >= > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 This station in = AMStereo too??? A TX from Aspisys.com> > > > Bests from> > > > Roy Sandgren= > > > > Box 14006> > > > Se-20024 Malmo> > > > SWEDEN=C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',= =C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2= =82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83= =C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83= =C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1 http://www.radiosyd.eu/> > > >> > > > Fr=C3=83= =C6=92=C3=86'f=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A5n= : Part 15 AM engineer> > > > Till: mailto:Rangemaster-Transmitters%40yahoog= roups.com> > > > Skickat: m=C3=83=C6=92=C3=86'f=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC= =C5=A1=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=A5ndag, 11 februari 2013 15:42> > > > =C3=83= =C6=92=C3=86'f=C3=83=C6=92=C3=82=C2=A2?zmne: Re: [Rangemaster-Transmitters]= Re: LPAM Network Website> > > >> > > > =C3=83=C6=92=C3=86',=C3=83=C6=92=C3= =A2=E2=82=AC=C5=A1> > > > i have the following for your list....> > > >> > > > krocks radio one / zero= point radio> > > > http://www.zeropointradio.com/> > > >> > > > he is a br= oadcast engineer using "CERTIFIED" LPB gear to run a netral> > > > loaded> = > > > carrier current using and isolated ground and is running in "CQUAM"> = > > >> > > > he runs an alternative music format to get around> > > > bmi/a= scap/sesac/soundex,> > > > etc and has a stream he feeds directly off the o= utput of a cquam> > > > receiver.> > > >> > >> > > > ----------------------= --------------> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> > > http://www.gulchradio.com/=C2=A0-=C2=A0Great Grooves, NO news 24/7 =C2=A0-= =C2=A0www.gulchradio.com -=C2=A0celebrating 10 years of broadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Sat Feb 16 11:14:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19207 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2013 19:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.135) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2013 19:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.61) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2013 19:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2013 19:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.108.243] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2013 19:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2013 19:14:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 207747.9287.bm@omp1008.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 3774 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2013 19:14:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HcANJroVM1n4zgdyYa7EqVrL8IGgh4kKAeQetdkM5xhb.3Z ltrLeNvPsxw6Lyah0qLIHEUN9vnengX0YJDiw8qnYzEH5A0L4lcqZt8lvMx5 QIJTjRqu2WmpLnJuIK8Kh4cfkyu_Ei8Fe5rGXOdXpMNw6WYwLP1fa7EkZAl9 tHE2xD.s5K4NwYqFIjLEl7dlgeU8eEOn.WC4zX4CVp3b6kFOQU0itaRAhpzi IB8d_yWEs9srO469Zh_N3noo9Ey8AnGtbEunXrd1lKTI27ir8MgGPYbGfotS dm7UYK8B_fsA3ElDBjqNbZ3aiAjbdN.lIBGCcZP5SL4mP8I5J6BsVrvTaHqR 9OxwTFRvUnjWAhXu3mfLXoaqZ96K14mwgATzc_28wqI5bOXXq_LuSwrKiGHX wWaEDNXpdRKJTlpGH9D5FZjUDP0sENPGPcM1XYqFaF6VjGFrBzcfLAhZjMPh SjsQPUjDAsKGEk5aAj01Q_TDBeXHATJuzuyf10r.6HqoCiHhejso6AOt3ut9 QGwu096fQqWWgltXEQ.JidrtkI6oEtBCuFOszz6ini66VzXSnpljzenbm4mO 9qQQOj8_e6381xUI7UyX3ReP1LeUYVas1RSfaGwuKdQ-- X-Received: from [46.195.62.78] by web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:14:24 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,CgrCoFRoaXMgdGVzdHMgaXMgZm9yIHRoZSBVUyBtYXJrZXQgd2FzwqBmcm9tIHlvdXIgaWRlYS4KV2UgaW50ZW5kIHRvIGRvIHRoZSBzYW1lIGluIFN3ZWRlbiBBTVN0ZXJlbyB0ZXN0cyBmb3IgdGhlIEVVIG1hcmtldC4xMDBtVyBhbmQgZnVsbCBzdGVyZW8uCm1haW5seSB3ZSBhcmUgaW50cmVzc2VkIG9mIHRvIHNlbGwgdGhlIFJUIDAxNSB0dW5lciBvbmx5IGFsbCBvdmVyIHRoZSB3b3JsZC4KV2Ugc2VsbCB0aGUgVFggYW5kIEFUVSBpZiBuZWVkZWQgb25seS5FdmVuIHRoZSBtb3JlIHBvd2VyZnVsbCAyMCABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.133.508 References: <1361024658.3370.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1361042064.3596.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:14:24 +0000 (GMT) To: Erickson Broadcast Sales Cc: "Rangemaster-Transmitters@yahoogroups.com" , "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <1361024658.3370.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: ASPISYS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=kLdRu4PCzpJbuFlY-kdUk3hnM-zM0-XmWc1J077DxDazfzI X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0This tests is for the US market was=A0from your idea. We intend to do the same in Sweden AMStereo tests for the EU market.100mW a= nd full stereo. mainly we are intressed of to sell the RT 015 tuner only all over the world= . We sell the TX and ATU if needed only.Even the more powerfull 20 watts am s= tereo full 15 khz audio. We have a factory doing AMStereo TX from 300, 500watts and up, mostly sold = in Asia with the tuner/boonbox. We will find some whole sales/end-users sale very soon in Nort and South Am= erica, the tuner, boombox and car converter( under design). AMStereo is cooming back in Asia =A0 Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=E5n: Erickson Broadcast Sales Till: Roy Sandgren =20 Kopia: "Rangemaster-Transmitters@yahoogroups.com" ; "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 Skickat: l=F6rdag, 16 februari 2013 15:24 =C4mne: Re: SV: ASPISYS Roy, I offered to help you...you haven't offered anything in return. You want me= to pay to test the RS unit so you can make money in Sweden & other countri= es. Where is the equity? As much as I like AM STEREO, commercial use of it = essentially died in the USA. I won't be making any money from AM STEREO any= time soon.=20 100MW with a Rangemaster is useful...but how many people will invest in a s= pecial order AM STEREO radio just to hear a flea power radio signal? Exactl= y none. Until we can get full power stations interested again, we have noth= ing but a great sounding toy on our hands.=20 I wrote to you originally inquiring about posting your AM Stereo tuner on m= y website as a novelty sales item. You wrote back telling me I would need t= o buy 100 pieces minimum. If everyone who has a Part 15 station decided to = become AM STEREO, it may have been a good offer. In reality, I would fortun= ate to sell one or two a year. We had not discussed the details of my offer= to assist you in testing the RADIO SYSTEMS ATU, since we are a dealer for = them, but you decided to tell the manufacturer and the yahoo groups about t= esting in America. I must say if all early business discussions were made p= ublic before putting ink top paper, we would see many of them come to fruit= ion.=20 I'm going back to real business,=20 Good luck. =A0 Ron Erickson CEO/Sales EngineerErickson Broadcast Sales Corporation Direct = Cell-541-460-0249www.ebsradio.comEBS - Originators of RADIO STATION KITS(TM= ) - "Broadcasting Made Easy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 12:20:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32922 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2013 20:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2013 20:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.174) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2013 20:20:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2013 20:20:40 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2013 20:20:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:20:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1361042064.3596.YahooMailNeo@web132502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 46.190.32.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 46.190.32.60 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: SV: SV: ASPISYS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=n7fSTJYGWkBfxk2DHnQDKib0gvtx1edTMPuI_QwRhlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I read the topic theme, saying "ASPISYS" and I'm wondering what all the bel= ow texts have to do with us, ASPISYS Ltd? Is there something I have been in= volved without knowing it?=20 Roy, you have contact us many times about our unit, and we have replied to = most, if not all, of your questions about either low power 100mW units and/= or even our higher power complete transmitters. Then you have said us somet= hing about some new guys who make/sell trnasmitters from Indonesia? who are= not familiar, not related by any way to them. We can't say nothing for equ= ipments we haven't build, or even saw. We do sell & support exclusively our= own products, directly made by & from us! So, if there is a reference of our brand name in a public mail, we lke to k= now what is about for. Hope the test you're refered to, run good, although = we are not aware of any test with any of our products. Currently we are i t= he end face of copmete redesigning of our AM Stereo transmitters, to releas= e a new line, that will be incredibly imporved, both for low power (part25)= and more important for the broadcast pro market! We are changing the ASMAX= 1 as our main basic exciter board, to a far more inteligent and flexible bo= ard, that can deliver much more higher power with just few modifications to= it. The fianl units will provide high level modulation and will be one boa= rd upagrade fro AM STEREO for almsot every know AM transmitter in the world= !=20 If needed we can support and provide equipments for testing, but we shoul= d be the first to be asked - know, about it.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 ASPiSYS Ltd.=20 Athens - GREECE=20 =20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > >=20 >=20 > =A0This tests is for the US market was=A0from your idea. > We intend to do the same in Sweden AMStereo tests for the EU market.100mW= and full stereo. > mainly we are intressed of to sell the RT 015 tuner only all over the wor= ld. > We sell the TX and ATU if needed only.Even the more powerfull 20 watts am= stereo full 15 khz audio. > We have a factory doing AMStereo TX from 300, 500watts and up, mostly sol= d in Asia with the tuner/boonbox. >=20 > We will find some whole sales/end-users sale very soon in Nort and South = America, the tuner, boombox and car converter( under design). > AMStereo is cooming back in Asia > =A0 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 www.radiosyd.eu >=20 > Fr=E5n: Erickson Broadcast Sales > Till: Roy Sandgren =20 > Kopia: "Rangemaster-Transmitters@yahoogroups.com" ; "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 > Skickat: l=F6rdag, 16 februari 2013 15:24 > =C4mne: Re: SV: ASPISYS >=20 > Roy, >=20 > I offered to help you...you haven't offered anything in return. You want = me to pay to test the RS unit so you can make money in Sweden & other count= ries. Where is the equity? As much as I like AM STEREO, commercial use of i= t essentially died in the USA. I won't be making any money from AM STEREO a= nytime soon.=20 >=20 > 100MW with a Rangemaster is useful...but how many people will invest in a= special order AM STEREO radio just to hear a flea power radio signal? Exac= tly none. Until we can get full power stations interested again, we have no= thing but a great sounding toy on our hands.=20 >=20 > I wrote to you originally inquiring about posting your AM Stereo tuner on= my website as a novelty sales item. You wrote back telling me I would need= to buy 100 pieces minimum. If everyone who has a Part 15 station decided t= o become AM STEREO, it may have been a good offer. In reality, I would fort= unate to sell one or two a year. We had not discussed the details of my off= er to assist you in testing the RADIO SYSTEMS ATU, since we are a dealer fo= r them, but you decided to tell the manufacturer and the yahoo groups about= testing in America. I must say if all early business discussions were made= public before putting ink top paper, we would see many of them come to fru= ition.=20 >=20 > I'm going back to real business,=20 > Good luck. > =A0 > Ron Erickson CEO/Sales EngineerErickson Broadcast Sales Corporation Direc= t Cell-541-460-0249www.ebsradio.comEBS - Originators of RADIO STATION KITS(= TM) - "Broadcasting Made Easy" >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Feb 23 13:29:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66894 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2013 21:29:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2013 21:29:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-09.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.169) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2013 21:29:47 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.29] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130223152936001945900010> for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:29:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <512934AD.8070100@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:29:17 -0600 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:29:36 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130223-1, 02/23/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: OT- desoldering advice needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1VfowD-TmTTStsB_qNv2cvZ5rEXXWqIGrszTdowXw9asl6Uegfhy X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm putting new caps in a Harris AM stereo generator for a fellow list member and many of them have leads soldered to ground planes and/or very heavy traces on the circuit board. I've got two smaller soldering irons, the largest being 25W, and even it doesn't create enough heat to melt the solder on those. My little 18W unit was able to handle the traces on the display board. Anyone have experience removing components on boards like these that could give me some pointers? Thanks, Scott Todd From bratina501@msn.com Sun Feb 24 09:02:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3400 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2013 17:02:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2013 17:02:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.94) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2013 17:02:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2013 17:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2013 17:02:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:02:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <512934AD.8070100@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 108.85.5.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 108.85.5.199 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: OT- desoldering advice needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=qDpFJZ-0vdBSzG7lQDUH50R3BF8Yp4gvFWPClCQMIcC6fuXfzA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I have one idea for desoldering, Radioshack has a vacuum desoldering iron a= vailable for about $20 that I have been using for a while and it seems to w= ork well even with fairly thick traces. It is around 45 watts which nearly = is twice as much power as your largest iron. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > I'm putting new caps in a Harris AM stereo generator for a fellow list=20 > member and many of them have leads soldered to ground planes and/or very= =20 > heavy traces on the circuit board. I've got two smaller soldering=20 > irons, the largest being 25W, and even it doesn't create enough heat to=20 > melt the solder on those. My little 18W unit was able to handle the=20 > traces on the display board. Anyone have experience removing components= =20 > on boards like these that could give me some pointers? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Scott Todd > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 24 16:16:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73720 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2013 00:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2013 00:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2013 00:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.29] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130224181613000999300010> for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:16:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <512AAD3C.3060009@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:15:56 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:16:13 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130224-1, 02/24/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- desoldering advice needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=uSatOdrRusvKvd-dg2_nQPxL5NgkP1hB3C90X-jBr9WjKmmHWHmL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 2/24/2013 11:02 AM, nicholas wrote: > I have one idea for desoldering, Radioshack has a vacuum desoldering > iron available for about $20 that I have been using for a while and it > seems to work well even with fairly thick traces. It is around 45 watts > which nearly is twice as much power as your largest iron. That's a big help and certainly less than the desoldering stations I've seen on eBay. I'll give those a look. Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 17:00:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47983 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2013 01:00:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2013 01:00:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.178) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2013 01:00:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2013 01:00:04 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2013 01:00:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 01:00:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <512934AD.8070100@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: OT- desoldering advice needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ap1Z_AaQ4hm5z8EfwkcvMtr9gBWR8cCZ2aCvWPVwimYB_lANQexQHfk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Scott, I clamp the board down and use brute force - an ancient Weller soldering 'g= un' just long enough to smoke the trace then grab a solder sucker to pull o= ff the solder. Problem is, the wide trace stays pretty hot for a while, ju= st waiting to blister your fingers. I haven't tried solder wick in that situation, just the spring loaded vacuu= m solder sucker, OR a standalone desoldering unit with a squeegie bulb and = heater all built into one, but as you pointed out, when you have a huge 'sq= uare-inchage' of ground plane, it's a pain getting it hot enough without ca= using destruction. Good luck. 73 John PS: Never OT if it's about AMS hardware! From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Sun Feb 24 23:48:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74665 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2013 07:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2013 07:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s25.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.227) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2013 07:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W35 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:47:13 -0800 X-EIP: [5JDqK6DI2VyGhUAvPC+lTaS0legYgtBg] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:47:13 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <512934AD.8070100@usfamily.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2013 07:47:13.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[536DDA00:01CE132C] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OT- desoldering advice needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=Zy9E5eRi906VzcL-LGJRjO2FCPy03CsyYTEqpCfog-aAc9saVhvqqN-_ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With 50+ years of soldering/resoldering in me, I can say I've tried every m= ethod- I tried fancy desoldering irons, the spring loaded thingies, etc, bu= t I went back to the soldering braid. In specific, I only use Chem-Wik bran= d. The built in flux is excellent. I have tried to use cheaper brands, but = always go back to them. For chassis stuff where extra heat is needed, I hav= e a Weller GT gun. For all else, a Weller controlled heat station, always s= et to the high side of normal.=20 Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 01:00:01 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT- desoldering advice needed =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Scott, I clamp the board down and use brute force - an ancient Weller soldering 'g= un' just long enough to smoke the trace then grab a solder sucker to pull o= ff the solder. Problem is, the wide trace stays pretty hot for a while, ju= st waiting to blister your fingers. I haven't tried solder wick in that situation, just the spring loaded vacuu= m solder sucker, OR a standalone desoldering unit with a squeegie bulb and = heater all built into one, but as you pointed out, when you have a huge 'sq= uare-inchage' of ground plane, it's a pain getting it hot enough without ca= using destruction. Good luck. 73 John PS: Never OT if it's about AMS hardware! =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 14:06:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1762 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2013 22:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2013 22:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm15-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.175) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2013 22:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2013 22:06:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.240] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2013 22:06:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2013 22:06:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 874785.54704.bm@omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 69607 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2013 22:06:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2SuJ4rkVM1llyIbaM0V4iM4omPuE352oSRYluT1TwXLhw31 0O3TDAuYVT.V_y_TFY.DcJHsNcjVxx7ILyAOGBEgyn.RFwV3ffoAYgFcdcmb ruGb.rde0RJeZmVA8PWX8ypz5.u8_cXBzByl8RcnPTiUnVEqsVIvcfKyTcML LVZeKagbcLXfa2f9Sp2ZoUhM6JOrQUZHUKqVD75J51a7.EOIBcZlQCD7J3Sh 44Tf_UuXQzrJZdb7HhIIATSDhVMGQqe6kUdtt5NtC6OvOOAuLSiyWPURkf5f HFEdVykN.vRRw1rJ8sGsnY_kk6_o.KHs8NvW0UIp9TNNwKmjiqDTTih_qPI3 cp5HefYx87MK114uf8nsMI.67LGxH5_UwSU3cuv2ywM6YoRuYx5.9I9507KG pbSCqGanS0mKggtfiWRXfvco_FI4k5Zu058x.gYEyt2EOjVL8yumAN6evkz9 xpd5H4C6bIVNm7OOmOvidIAii_qMFM6z21X2FIzDQRFirXN2TEBuhC56uuW1 7WT07WU9sxH3wdfTzSg7XbkB48AuHOMhnq3_uPW81AYit46KunnOiYFdz4Jv 8H8KcN7L5.vQ_XBSze334G1xQPHOfrtSp.FRbGQ1VdbszK0fBOEypYWJgRyq fEkMi06YY_JXbuMGof5r5Mhz.GxkOpQm52og2VRisWm7LPX6cf8pxWvftU.9 Kuxg4NB0bjFsZVFSifPoM7.Iu0EaACUC_pi7.rJ29s34Cb4Q0wSvaRI0Nz4W S.2NiHVMX0XrLibrZ61gADnJM3zORXn2zk8bu0Zx_V3uKM424Eji2hs9GDId 1EK7k0Z_.MIhcQiN7Gus9me03xlGwpXauxp0pWtYKPZNcuoCH1ViY0HSWWzQ HzKGA_ziLEQR_TnyZN_xJYwfPHQS9PdDYZAjhlW1xlAU4nEVlwEZ70rS5dtY frPfGpWjoSk1J_sz2OBTH6hvo2KmLWacp9LKhWCfYO9UJgrzwrfX9g_vfBjH FEIXKB7bQ45gqjEJgAhqYH2PYlT4r.pVSxvqxx_91Z3eUWJ_CiJjl3KGpD9Q buk7qxWPX7JVM1sZLsAhpzbn2ufVbbN9M1p8zSF38Sq8HneanOvj89.9lRki 6AiUuN5Rh6XY211rGmOrJ5oMhQmd0ps6vwL.kZJn5S5.izj3n32_1ld1q6X1 DEgZwOgQnST33I5eKWf.B_cuXpgq_0Ga3BDoBS6ygrVNgUun__IqU4Q9eyzz ilku_0fMdjrPmMi8yZNgGbzNmJCxWGx9PRryaC1SThtxKe74rMLUkrSHiTvl V8mQPQGxcIhQjlVsdNTgF6m0qZEkvIQr892jY017CCtyehRfOnehh9CWXwDJ FPllKyw.OvXjT4KCNer99e2IaCXKT.01TUbiAzKuSdGtLCuv4zi0oL48ICP8 su9NA3t4Ht82isrQ_CqPoYi5xWt.7hdCi4iHKCYVJqNZM5td0xvQ20Cf4rpU nFkXQq29nB64dkEvZfx.b1kEeGs550tGfPiD9Isni.vDE9KNU7X1RJEGgH0k nFKJgPzFYPLr5jacGwoCXCq392gocz1TEXIosKE6azTVgIGCWW.Ob7aVAtbg sYMXP_PGZ_UftnIHw7uRUQXBFXXkZ5IanbvLWVT7kQScmckWGgB_ZYjz7V3I NC7lRnQweQuXbe2w.jqW6b0ySYao_ko2s8Z26IU07UNwC_u5jNMU0D8gq3cP t5XfmRlX07rwlw21CaKCYtUquCOliyQCsPNMfS5y4kEA.WU8LimbZs_J5Sfj d8M9b2RVto1Nosu6_Nmc7XO48bfxeTk2Kr5iy01pWrmCTxICvPxlQDFTT5TR yrs2GJxuiLxaYX1kulX0_8JkTo5ESgrWl.K3vQEOodBXpMgbvy.3ItKQL7Df vfgVKzX0sS0JephS4Yb_Csn1oHls6h0AIt1L9Rgv1SQifg5iM77Pr0s901yx 6GHHEBo4K0fo2EFyZaGJIBOyhkWrKIPwASEPZLheQP5DOc8tH7kq4Mqtk4Fs qucu5xGs6Pj9mPpMXdm5jgndUAdGEWBEn67QKsLkVrPw2Kj.FW3a09GFh1Vb Tu2EA2m.3zp6g.9ktPVpP_ehGafsF5ZDf4Aa9UdHZiHpeLY.raYrIeoO7Tvj VVOq4tbMgJWCydGmdKz2J5oNEsDaOYB6oQkc2m5hvS6fL2B83jaSf5vewWcG E_wVnUq.eRAx.jvPifNtIfMr8dsMrgPJjqrqcmhtu2u7U22nPMT_RgkOIFcZ PVnUG_KetpXFU7FhfmteZPUU87QszXPRTSyaIcY5HSAAJWUzXf0wU X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:06:32 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,DQoNCi0tLSBPbiBXZWQsIDIvMjcvMTMsIFJpY2sgRGF1IDxkcnVtbWVyMTk2NXVzYUB5YWhvby5jb20.IHdyb3RlOg0KDQpGcm9tOiBSaWNrIERhdSA8ZHJ1bW1lcjE5NjV1c2FAeWFob28uY29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDogW0FCRFhdIEtDSkotMTYzMCB0byBiZWNvbWUgIjk5IFBsdXMiIG9uIEZyaS4gTWFyY2ggMXN0DQpUbzogImFtQG5yY2R4YXMub3JnIiA8YW1AbnJjZHhhcy5vcmc.LCAiaXJjYUBoYXJkLWNvcmUtZHguY29tIiA8aXJjYUBoYXJkLWNvcmUtZHguY29tPiwgImFiZHhAeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tIiABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.135.514 Message-ID: <1362002792.65001.YahooMailClassic@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:06:32 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Fw: [ABDX] KCJJ-1630 to become "99 Plus" on Fri. March 1st X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=r96HJue-n_4EtF_y6Rm1qzbJbXR9LIR73t3_ySPd-KTh0n-wt-hl X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- On Wed, 2/27/13, Rick Dau wrote: From: Rick Dau Subject: [ABDX] KCJJ-1630 to become "99 Plus" on Fri. March 1st To: "am@nrcdxas.org" , "irca@hard-core-dx.com" , "abdx@yahoogroups.com" Cc: "Doug Beard" , "Todd Brandenburg" , "Frank Merrill" Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 9:20 AM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Well, for 9 hours, anyway...=C2=A0=C2=A0At 3:00 p.m= . Central Time on March 1st, KCJJ will cease normal programming and will be= taken over by "99 Plus". =C2=A0From 1973 until it signed off at 3:00 p.m. = on March 1st, 1994, 99 Plus, under the call letters of KFMH, was an undergr= ound rock station based out of Muscatine, Iowa and served a large area of e= astern Iowa and western Illinois. =C2=A0It was a station that didn't conform to the rules....they = played anything and everything, and the most unique part about it is that i= t was ALL-request, 24/7. =C2=A0As a result, the station built up a fiercely= devoted following, and when it signed off for the final time, over 500 peo= ple showed up at their studios to protest (to give you some idea of how muc= h it is still missed, the recently-constructed Facebook page dedicated to 9= 9 Plus has over 1100 likes....not bad for a station that's been silent for = 19 years!).=C2=A0In recent months, KFMH's former general manager, "Captain"= Steve Bridges (the current GM and morning show co-host of KCJJ), who said = for years that he would never bring the format of the Plus back again to any station, has wa= rmed to the idea of resurrecting the Plus as an internet-only station. =C2= =A0To operate it, however, he has stressed that it will take $20,000 for 1 = year's worth of programming, and that the money would have to come from pub= lic contributions. =C2=A0Since Bridges made the announcement in January, he= has raised over half of the total required. =C2=A0Friday's temporary switc= hover will essentially serve as a fund-raiser to try to rake in the rest, a= nd will feature many of the same DJs that were an important part of 99 Plus= back in the day. =C2=A0At Midnight local time, the carriage will turn back= into a pumpkin (IMHO) , but it's hoped that the interest generated by this= will help to bring back 99 Plus on a permanent basis online. =C2=A0The aud= io from these 9 hours will not only be broadcast on 1630 AM, but will also = be streamed on KCJJ's website:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.ustream.= tv/channel/kcjj-raw =C2=A0=C2=A0And you can find out more about 99 Plus here:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.facebook.com/ThePlusPirateRadio=C2=A0=C2=A0I hope you'll be ab= le to check out KCJJ's webstream at some point during these 9 hours and get= a taste of what I so enjoyed listening to during my years in eastern Iowa = in the late 1980s and early 1990s. =C2=A0:)=C2=A0=C2=A073,Rick Dau (a propo= nent of free-form radio)South Omaha, Nebraska=C2=A0 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Feb 27 19:53:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75086 invoked by uid 102); 28 Feb 2013 03:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2013 03:52:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22245 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2013 03:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2013 03:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D9AC438000076 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:52:50 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgd002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.5]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B3B14E000081 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:52:50 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <3c319.3f91b409.3e602e92@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:52:50 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:413211232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c8512ed49262d8 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [ABDX] KCJJ-1630 to become "99 Plus" on Fri. March 1st X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=0imPY4bfqxt96BSJFD9LKXS-EkTq57z1t9Y-YZYfrdE3Mo_wf-O6 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I think "Captain" Steve ran aground the day he turned off C-Quam on KCJJ 1630. 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March 1st X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=ZSi-4DcDtQCFxfI3zwygZez91z8ArWzP5HwIHXAVfrCHBQch7N5y X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think you're right! =C2=A01630 here is just a jumble of T.I.S. stations a= nyway. --- On Wed, 2/27/13, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrot= e: From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [ABDX] KCJJ-1630 to become "99 Plus" on Fri. March = 1st To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 10:52 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I think "Captain" Steve ran aground the day he turned off C-Quam on KCJJ 1630. I don't bother listening to that frequency any more. 73 - Todd WD4NGG=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dcflux@gmail.com Fri Mar 01 15:54:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dcflux@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50252 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2013 23:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2013 23:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.111) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2013 23:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2013 23:54:27 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2013 23:54:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 23:54:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 199.104.207.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.104.207.2 From: "Matt" Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT- desoldering advice needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207784924; y=nmwBPL5JR0Td1wnHP40kh7cUNQeNqcZSFPJwP6QySIS9 X-Yahoo-Profile: dcflux I try to minimize damage to the board. If I am not interested in salvaging the component, I rock the capacitor bac= k and forth until the leads snap off of it. Then I add a little solder to = the lead still in the board. Then heat the lead and pull out with a pair of= stainless tweezers. Then I either use a Soldapult brand solder sucker or = chemwick or a combination of both. For stubborn holes with a heavy ground plane I stick the iron on one side a= nd suck the solder on the other. --Matt --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote: > > With 50+ years of soldering/resoldering in me, I can say I've tried every= method- I tried fancy desoldering irons, the spring loaded thingies, etc, = but I went back to the soldering braid. In specific, I only use Chem-Wik br= and. The built in flux is excellent. I have tried to use cheaper brands, bu= t always go back to them. For chassis stuff where extra heat is needed, I h= ave a Weller GT gun. For all else, a Weller controlled heat station, always= set to the high side of normal.=20 > Chris >=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: toledohamradio@... > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 01:00:01 +0000 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT- desoldering advice needed >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Hi Scott, >=20 > I clamp the board down and use brute force - an ancient Weller soldering = 'gun' just long enough to smoke the trace then grab a solder sucker to pull= off the solder. Problem is, the wide trace stays pretty hot for a while, = just waiting to blister your fingers. >=20 > I haven't tried solder wick in that situation, just the spring loaded vac= uum solder sucker, OR a standalone desoldering unit with a squeegie bulb an= d heater all built into one, but as you pointed out, when you have a huge '= square-inchage' of ground plane, it's a pain getting it hot enough without = causing destruction. >=20 > Good luck. >=20 > 73 >=20 > John >=20 >=20 >=20 > PS: Never OT if it's about AMS hardware! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Mar 01 16:34:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78080 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2013 00:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2013 00:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2013 00:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BB8B51C0000CE for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:34:35 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from core-mgb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.9]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7117AE000087 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:34:35 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <729c7.5d08f9d4.3e62a31b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:34:35 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498431520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e5131491b405c X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [ABDX] KCJJ-1630 to become "99 Plus" on Fri. March 1st X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=UsRF_x0QNBqORhasRuZs_Nc3NalzDH53RkmMUCvVxag1_GNYTFhU X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi All, I did try to listen a few times to KCJJ's special "99 Plus" broadcast Friday evening and heard some pretty unusual music that I have never heard on AM before. It does sound like underground-type music that some stations played back in the 80's and 90's. Their signal is mostly touch and go here in South Carolina as KCJJ fades in and out quite often at this distance. It would be worth tuning in Friday evening if anyone else can hear KCJJ clearly at night. Sounds much better than the usual music they usually play in the evenings. I miss the AM Stereo light coming on in the tuner but the music they are playing is worth a listen plus it sounds commercial-free. . 73 - Todd WD4NGG From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Mar 04 17:36:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94342 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2013 01:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2013 01:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-we0-f171.google.com) (74.125.82.171) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2013 01:36:24 -0000 X-Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id u54so5157446wey.2 for ; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 17:36:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.77.9 with SMTP id o9mr15498313wiw.16.1362447384000; Mon, 04 Mar 2013 17:36:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.216.118.7 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:36:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:36:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.82.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: "i1430" WION Ionia, MI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=MosMBQPJAKMDYvGcIqyihJ_TBCbbrjeaCB08-GXJHjKff1y0nIm5FFgX X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A station worth checking out, "i1430" WION Ionia, Michigan. They stream online at http://www.i1430.com Their Am signal is in Stereo as is the translator at 92.7 The webstream is a feed from the Carver TX 11-A tuner in their front office/lobby. The 128K stream sounds GREAT, a little deep/bass-y.. but CLEAN.. almost sounds like a feed right off the console! I just heard them play Aerosmith's "Walk This Way" now they're playing "Margaritaville" by Jimmy Buffett! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Mar 09 16:44:21 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56222 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2013 00:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2013 00:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.128) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2013 00:44:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1362876260; bh=VF9yFPcj/vhqtJpcEYuvyy3etamwdiyQPTBRdqGhDmo=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HWvC7G491zKmIHIOOOijMNnHUc5JdoQ3jsltG7RzdDt0P9uMXr78X4Dc66hIhsKOFZ7q+nI9qusuuadr1JHDHDRJ7j3shHasnmoQN1RznGQuq6fyWUgbQ1vAIkaZR2KGC6QQA3QHVcHGUNINWZwupKnMdB1b7g3IoJNKj+/vXuM= Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2013 00:44:20 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2013 00:44:20 -0000 Date: 10 Mar 2013 00:44:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1362876258.9339.8235.w8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WINY_oldie.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Beautiful skywave C-QUAM Stereo reception of WINY 1350 playing a 70s soulful oldie using the Sony 300A Japanese AM ST-FM ST transistor connected to the Sony XFD last generation CD player AND TAPE deck, from cassette, to WAV then to MP3 - most funky instruments on one side and the violin and other more ambient ones on the other side... one single albeit long fading shortly after the beginning of this song; SKYWAVE from Montreal !!!! 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File : /mp3-usa/WINY_liner.wav Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Any comment will be greatly appreciated as this is almost like my reactivation in the Motorola C-Quam listening hobby; this is the original WAV soundbite of the liner that followed the 70s soulful female oldie vocal previously updated to this group - please feel free to make any comments, as this is SKYWAVE from MTL...WBLQ-1230 airchecks are yet to come, as the ST separation is far from great, from the same geo area !!!!!!!! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WINY_liner.wav To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From brian32m@yahoo.com Sun Mar 10 07:06:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian32m@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 512 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2013 14:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2013 14:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.148) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2013 14:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2013 14:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2013 14:06:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:06:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.33.171.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.33.171.141 From: "brian54660" Subject: gm to end am/fm radios in cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101564996; y=Y0iYCjVnPi-ohlKi120EId3g6xOG2TeGE9BAiLMgVIah1iI X-Yahoo-Profile: brian54660 if true is this the end for radio? http://www.radioink.com/Article.asp?id=3D2626719&spid=3D24698 From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Mar 10 08:14:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19090 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2013 15:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2013 15:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2013 15:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AADF438000124 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:14:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EE0EEE000089 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <72a6.55258a7f.3e6dfd3d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:14:05 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:350065056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb513ca33d5757 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=X8qA6____PXanTsfwjuXWEObK7ePWJyDoKDirnn4L72GsF5E-r5a X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 3/10/2013 10:06:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brian32m@yahoo.com writes: if true is this the end for radio? http://www.radioink.com/Article.asp?id=2626719&spid=24698 Interesting article but I tend to believe the first of the two big concerns in the article : Are the car companies operating on incorrectly skewed research, or on the opinions of a youth-oriented consulting company? It's easy to say radio is dead, but the Arbitron numbers don't support it. GM and other car companies need to understand that if they are wrong, there will be consumer backlash if they remove AM and FM from cars. People love their radios. Young people don't often buy cars, and radio is clearly stronger with baby boomers and older adults. Remember that some of these same radio consultants tried to foist AM IBOC on the public and look how that flopped? These online radio services cost an arm and a leg with monthly billing of cellphone/mobile internet service. People are already dropping cable TV by the millions due to the monthly cost. There are enough baby boomers and adults around that this won't happen anytime soon. The world doesn't revolve around 22 year olds. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From radio774@yahoo.se Sun Mar 10 10:25:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35994 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2013 17:25:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.135) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2013 17:25:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm25-vm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (212.82.109.207) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2013 17:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm25.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2013 17:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.98.115] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2013 17:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2013 17:25:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 274185.48736.bm@omp1052.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 64532 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Mar 2013 17:25:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4_lJEB8VM1n63.tVNw4F1cyTMMzJdgnjV3irQoyo4LyQS_O zOrxriLk6m6xZ1P1PjBzL9yykTQja8UtzT.u.eXOyXq9vnvYct47yeUjS0Ag nvyZqndPY0lwe0fAFof13Yof0j40ePOIsqQxBXJ0ZmO.l9vX9LQUwBBdO7Pb YPE6dVMBCYbj42CRDsVzImaQUGYrEkHrZIID0GwUAUSwArHaWJ8g4BRd2thz az1sl21b3i6JoOhe7.sQYWqjzpPiNJKnuf2IRiP9nFrxzr4g8kC_rOiTYpFj lm_N37Elkeyk80pkZg8n0kXBekgLXWuA3NMgcskDkklU80j5ntFgSaII.iZZ 93HMZXp16RAulM.M5IcRfUq.wkzNACwodkca7ornxaoHVAe4JFD9Gn50.s4y 2WtiSemIo9mSL.L8hQEGkNV75OiVn8JIX7QXE8mUI2sv7TOfzj4R7QgKGUZ5 mhA21Ra_TCOPgGUHnFosZ5RdJS.6xDYoqKpksnl2w89Q9ZqS5wegtzelvagx H3ELyxtrsT_ADhggTKMJwKwH3RKSWfTdMqz5c1n3f15EtOSXK4HEXFmX.ouO 3grWhq7K3jyYAFMcT9VbltqGxEYOwLV8gYMHoumC0NhCk17MWMRPk9q5bPIQ NCYPGMfTyQIXh_Ge7y2N.jH410J5wxbPXH8bWelEhuVuWydtKv20iPTDlAWE AT.WMZm5DnCGcCJQpAvYASQYBi02RMKwoztdzom7zNNvmPcxvN55Fsnc943Z l_hMoAixvxRzw0Q5_5yY3PfWRP9JEswfFy.W1PICZT3ws37Oz3pRh.QXqIRB .7NufoBR0gjCynfaPfdRWrG5xw7DNjYQClDCQD2t2go5qlQgBzko.nI7s1vh xVXYqaFZkJ.mTlOSkLs3_7cBx.fitbR9TEzIisipUlCboJpBPxOotreTZnPu y_CAQis9onIxkMvwUIyVwO2XFyOZBMS0DPOEDon0jYWfwwoG5W7Fq943WlVB .6a3v40DwseO.wU7q6c8sWxQU58PqW4VfJEVa3J1Hec2DL.VbZNOirQfpHFh KTDKaLZ3xXI55xkP.0T7XfxlqwvDxELBrjfHVq4M7Zzhvr6XS8RxqgRi5gAO NmCNCYFh1GW_N1u5FFKiYWUsbkN4o4pWqYguOBCf5KtWoloM7hJt8dd6_rjE pDkQsVXVACppIsWkLl0gJ7CMBB6t6BDxboGj8Hq.stvRAZHBADRaXO643d_U krPQ9roobGSkNzco89yx1I1yQByrKo9m6XSNH_Dt4qLRQ3vhf_d8VXAzZKwu 7_0dSby.Ir_KJg45_UXrHwoxm6AvAaoKcWvKwOhsdk4IUlvISJp3dCGwT8XJ aydNS5ulr95gyq1zs7XqYJ79CEPRdvcuo22D3fbn7jBHAHvRNgMfJDEdVIIy qDlQEGDmIozIRM4Y.Yukg7AuoKPyoQAv6kInLO7_EIo2zTo8wS6F3jHYGggD gdt1FPhDnQfsQghM45QfMhVio.8mL8dFwJFJ6fTPZEft6sb0gt6WHbDhd1RQ ZwcUpWilx_Vb.CThkDEP9CClngwTEXPEq_I5tVXLWA3jfyrXvLOet1e_9P.T Q2mdL3nE5S7Wu5yJv6Uc_0ajtmB9AOZ3uhD7_B6.C4ID0elpJwMutbJ.STLE UCCRfnldjL5bTtAnnaw.f5JJDLbky1ytZv68Ga6IFg2q_g_VtZQArD19lBYf 6Ne7Ep8vpTflugWXCNfHuZhAng10TNJ0pu1_miJHDXeuwPyPHkF2n5R57kfJ dUruLDE2PK44IY1JqdTYMFNXlMij05ZuruBsuF0QaD6nFtmTGrJGlcgj7TK8 In2IiT0JaCYBkpUO3FJqYc82pvRfSUNLBcv6mlv7KZeyt780hGjQo8SAdm7V 3R4qyaaWwj88ePVKHdiplHqi.pI1qAfKzbEHJrD2IoN53P3d3qQ0Q4fr2Pm0 6zt1telTmHhOVhSmu2HptXVjSQQ8rKDtz_3nnw_JTIqsvmr4wgsA- X-Received: from [46.195.129.252] by web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:24:59 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,VGhpcyBpcyBmcm9tIHNvbWUgbG9iYnlpc3RzIG9mIGludGVybmV0IGFuZCBpbiBmYWN0LCBidXllcnMgb2YgbmV3IGNhcnMgd2lsbCBhc2sgZm9yIGEgY2FyIHdpdGggQU0vRk1EQUIuCmNhciBidXllcnMgZG9uJ3Qgd2FudCB0byBwYXkgZm9yIGxpc3RuaW5ncyBvZiByYWRpbywgdGhleSBqdXN0IHdhbnQgdG_CoHR1bmUgaW50byDCoHRoZWlyIGZhdm9yaXRlIGxvY2FsIHJhZGlvIHdpdGggYSBub3JtYWwgY2FyIHJhZGlvIHdpdGggQU0vRk1EQUIgb3Igd2hhdCBzbyBldmVyLiBFdmVuIEFNU3RlcmVvIGdvdCABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.135.514 References: <72a6.55258a7f.3e6dfd3d@aol.com> Message-ID: <1362936299.64307.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:24:59 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <72a6.55258a7f.3e6dfd3d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 212.82.109.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=4xRzErkDNSV-nUBQniOmk2xkjolnHwGMKoNSvIndhHEL4S0 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is from some lobbyists of internet and in fact, buyers of new cars wil= l ask for a car with AM/FMDAB. car buyers don't want to pay for listnings of radio, they just want to=C2= =A0tune into =C2=A0their favorite local radio with a normal car radio with = AM/FMDAB or what so ever. Even AMStereo got a renaissance. Don't trust in futurists, the good old radio is still the best of listnings= . Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 10 mars 2013 16:14 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =C2=A0=20 In a message dated 3/10/2013 10:06:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 mailto:brian32m%40yahoo.com writes: if true is this the end for radio? http://www.radioink.com/Article.asp?id=3D2626719&spid=3D24698 Interesting article but I tend to believe the first of the two big concerns in the article : Are the car companies operating on incorrectly skewed research, or on the=20 opinions of a youth-oriented consulting company? It's easy to say radio is= =20 dead, but the Arbitron numbers don't support it. GM and other car companies= =20 need to understand that if they are wrong, there will be consumer backlash= =20 if they remove AM and FM from cars. People love their radios. Young people= =20 don't often buy cars, and radio is clearly stronger with baby boomers and=20 older adults. Remember that some of these same radio consultants tried to foist AM IBOC=20 on the public and look how that flopped? These online radio services cost an arm and a leg with monthly billing of=20 cellphone/mobile internet service. People are already dropping cable TV by the millions due to the=20 monthly cost. There are enough baby boomers and adults around that this won't happen anytime soon. 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Yes, Roy ________________________________ De: Roy Sandgren Para: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 Enviadas: Domingo, 10 de Mar=E7o de 2013 15:27 Assunto: SV: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =20 They just want to sell subscibtions of internet and radiostations can not s= urvive without being in the broadcasting bands, were the listners are !! Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=E5n: brian54660 Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: s=F6ndag, 10 mars 2013 15:06 =C4mne: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =A0=20 if true is this the end for radio? http://www.radioink.com/Article.asp?id=3D2626719&spid=3D24698 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 07:45:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66817 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2013 14:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2013 14:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.18) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2013 14:45:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 14:45:11 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 14:45:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:45:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.195.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.195.40 From: "pdmtr" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?OT._Looking_for_schematic_of_HARRIS_DIGIT=AECD__FM_Exciter!!!_?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=jAQjXUq9S6Ga9n3Oybd1ySSjR3wo-gdFDkOalHhUaj4 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi all...=20 I know that this post is OT, but I'm in searching for the schematics of the= HARRIS DIGIT=AECD FM Exciter, and can't find anyhting about it with scema= tics and/or parts. I need the Digital interface - Stereo Encoder board sche= matics as I have a unit on my bench, with a fault. I have locatesd the comp= onents need to be replaced but since there are some SMT cap's also involved= , there isn't any value marked on them. So only hope is to see their values= from the service schematics!!! I know there are many people here who may h= ave worked it in the past, so I will appreciate if someone can send a chema= tic of just that board (AES Digital Interface & DSP Stereo encoder).=20 Sorry if my OT post is about FM... but looking all possible ways to find th= is information.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris pdmtr=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 11:22:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55463 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2013 18:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2013 18:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.28) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2013 18:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 18:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 18:22:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:22:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1362936437.46950.YahooMailNeo@web132501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re:{AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=H9UdsIVfBKMjvNGAzTt3q-bpAXr3DgHqL_Cm2aqP76DA4xkzEHhTCMI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This is bullcrap from the cellphone/broadband provider lobby groups. Less than 50% of the US public have broadband, and the it it NOT FREE, and = they've prevented cities from offering free broadband. So, no radios in a GM car in two years - how do you get you local tornado w= arning, sunami warning, etc...without an AM/FM radio or a smartphone with b= roadband? Is this another way to force the public to pay $50/month for broadband and = at the same time force the FCC to sell the TV frequencies to them for more = broadband, when actual per bit consumption of broadband has actually gone D= OWN since they capped it usage? This is a big load, and of course, GM is going for it. Disgusted. As Bart Simpson would say: "GM, eat my shorts". 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The best coverage of a cell phone is the 2G net and the 2G= car phone fixed installated has a com-back now again. With 2 watts + anten= na gain best coverage of all phone bands. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: toledohamradio Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 11 mars 2013 19:22 =C3=84mne: Re:{AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =C2=A0=20 This is bullcrap from the cellphone/broadband provider lobby groups. Less than 50% of the US public have broadband, and the it it NOT FREE, and = they've prevented cities from offering free broadband. So, no radios in a GM car in two years - how do you get you local tornado w= arning, sunami warning, etc...without an AM/FM radio or a smartphone with b= roadband? Is this another way to force the public to pay $50/month for broadband and = at the same time force the FCC to sell the TV frequencies to them for more = broadband, when actual per bit consumption of broadband has actually gone D= OWN since they capped it usage? This is a big load, and of course, GM is going for it. Disgusted. As Bart Simpson would say: "GM, eat my shorts". 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How many web stations for sale???=C2=A0 A lot of. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Neto Silva Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 11 mars 2013 15:17 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =C2=A0=20 They just want to sell subscibtions of internet and radiostations can=20 not survive without being in the broadcasting bands, were the listners=20 are !! Yes, Roy ________________________________ De: Roy Sandgren Para: "mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.commailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogr= oups.com>=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 10 de Mar=C3=A7o de 2013 15:27 Assunto: SV: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars They just want to sell subscibtions of internet and radiostations can not s= urvive without being in the broadcasting bands, were the listners are !! Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: brian54660 Till: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: s=C3=B6ndag, 10 mars 2013 15:06 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =C2=A0=20 if true is this the end for radio? http://www.radioink.com/Article.asp?id=3D2626719&spid=3D24698 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Mar 11 13:59:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66399 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2013 20:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.150) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2013 20:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2013 20:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130311155927102519600011> for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:59:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <513E45A1.8000609@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:59:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:59:27 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130311-0, 03/11/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=7BAMSF=7D_OT=2E_Looking_for_sche?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?matic_of_HARRIS_DIGIT=AECD__FM_Exciter!!!?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=nfrwfDCeHlXRF88OwWT9tZOnmLNu1dUEfdZcD-QvSfn-OMt8Kc5C X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/11/2013 9:45 AM, pdmtr wrote: > Hi all... > I know that this post is OT, but I'm in searching for the schematics of > the HARRIS DIGIT®CD FM Exciter, and can't find anyhting about it with > scematics and/or parts. I need the Digital interface - Stereo Encoder > board schematics as I have a unit on my bench, with a fault. I have > locatesd the components need to be replaced but since there are some SMT > cap's also involved, there isn't any value marked on them. So only hope > is to see their values from the service schematics!!! I know there are > many people here who may have worked it in the past, so I will > appreciate if someone can send a chematic of just that board (AES > Digital Interface & DSP Stereo encoder). > > Sorry if my OT post is about FM... but looking all possible ways to find > this information. > You'll want to ask at tech-assist@radiolists.net. Lots of folks there who can help you. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Mar 11 14:05:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56809 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2013 21:05:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2013 21:05:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-05.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.155) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2013 21:05:04 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130311160451103167400011> for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:04:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <513E46E4.6070203@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:04:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:04:51 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <72a6.55258a7f.3e6dfd3d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <72a6.55258a7f.3e6dfd3d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130311-0, 03/11/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-c8rmPggGfn4qZfHOyFOXxETEKruVPN1QY4gM2mtuKf7h24HUk7w X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/10/2013 10:14 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > > These online radio services cost an arm and a leg with monthly billing of > cellphone/mobile internet > service. People are already dropping cable TV by the millions due to the > monthly cost. > > There are enough baby boomers and adults around that this won't happen > anytime soon. The world doesn't revolve around 22 year olds. I'd be inclined to agree about the ongoing fees putting the kabosh on internet only audio systems. It's a whole lot easier to tune in a station when you're out in some unfamiliar area and a storm is brewing than it is to call up a webpage. Even if you can do it by voice command, you'll either have to pull over or take your eyes off the road- that is IF you can get a cell/data connection! That said, stations do need to take this seriously and program accordingly. 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Internet will be an additional costs..!!! =C2=A0Why not AMStereo with full 15 khz band width??? better than internet.= . Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Scott Todd Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 11 mars 2013 22:04 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =C2=A0=20 On 3/10/2013 10:14 AM, mailto:toddroberts2001%40aol.com wrote: > > These online radio services cost an arm and a leg with monthly billing of > cellphone/mobile internet > service. People are already dropping cable TV by the millions due to the > monthly cost. > > There are enough baby boomers and adults around that this won't happen > anytime soon. The world doesn't revolve around 22 year olds. I'd be inclined to agree about the ongoing fees putting the kabosh on=20 internet only audio systems. It's a whole lot easier to tune in a=20 station when you're out in some unfamiliar area and a storm is brewing=20 than it is to call up a webpage. Even if you can do it by voice=20 command, you'll either have to pull over or take your eyes off the road-=20 that is IF you can get a cell/data connection! That said, stations do need to take this seriously and program accordingly. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dcflux@gmail.com Mon Mar 11 16:55:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dcflux@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52252 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2013 23:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2013 23:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2013 23:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.83] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 23:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2013 23:55:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:55:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 199.104.207.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.104.207.2 From: "Matt" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_OT._Looking_for_schematic_of_HARRIS_DIGIT=AECD__FM_Exciter!!!?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207784924; y=2VeMQbsXoahqvuwXhjuryw12T1ndmYGihO-sSNGF1xGs X-Yahoo-Profile: dcflux ecustomer.broadcast.harris.com/ You will have to register but they appear to have all the documentation for= that exciter. Under self service, click review documentation, then select radio transmiss= ion and then FM, Then Digit / Digit-CD FM exciters --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > Hi all...=20 > I know that this post is OT, but I'm in searching for the schematics of t= he HARRIS DIGIT=AECD FM Exciter, and can't find anyhting about it with sce= matics and/or parts. I need the Digital interface - Stereo Encoder board sc= hematics as I have a unit on my bench, with a fault. I have locatesd the co= mponents need to be replaced but since there are some SMT cap's also involv= ed, there isn't any value marked on them. So only hope is to see their valu= es from the service schematics!!! I know there are many people here who may= have worked it in the past, so I will appreciate if someone can send a che= matic of just that board (AES Digital Interface & DSP Stereo encoder).=20 >=20 > Sorry if my OT post is about FM... but looking all possible ways to find = this information.=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris pdmtr > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 07:29:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71435 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2013 14:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.135) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2013 14:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.8) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2013 14:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2013 14:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2013 14:29:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:29:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.195.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.195.40 From: "pdmtr" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_OT._Looking_for_schematic_of_HARRIS_DIGIT=AECD__FM_Exciter!!!?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=1lKTCNyOL_uCFYD15BBBtbHW7mNmjH4NgVXB8C3gT2I X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Thank you both. I have found it by registering at Harris and searching the = proposed by you files.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > Hi all...=20 > I know that this post is OT, but I'm in searching for the schematics of t= he HARRIS DIGIT=AECD FM Exciter, and can't find anyhting about it with sce= matics and/or parts. I need the Digital interface - Stereo Encoder board sc= hematics as I have a unit on my bench, with a fault. I have locatesd the co= mponents need to be replaced but since there are some SMT cap's also involv= ed, there isn't any value marked on them. So only hope is to see their valu= es from the service schematics!!! I know there are many people here who may= have worked it in the past, so I will appreciate if someone can send a che= matic of just that board (AES Digital Interface & DSP Stereo encoder).=20 >=20 > Sorry if my OT post is about FM... but looking all possible ways to find = this information.=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris pdmtr > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Mar 14 07:57:39 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3043 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2013 14:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2013 14:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.58) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2013 14:57:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1363273057; bh=sM63MwvHewyOx7gTowamZAfLQhxkFhh2vTPZ0kEf9MA=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4+/2pyq/7CWnRyIkicSopFy1BramldI29hke9C0VWCFOBLGF0E8fZEp5cR3hJcou7Bt3/JimTZa2VvROC/1x1B8taKzQnGbfTVLQFg5tSAR4TrJdUXhgESmzYw+D3k+jTnojHzQ8mNQ41uLC94l5l4Hqy/g5YFrHIF8N6EYuLjQ= Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2013 14:57:37 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.41] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2013 14:57:37 -0000 Date: 14 Mar 2013 14:57:36 -0000 Message-ID: <1363273056.21195.60504.w1@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/06 - Who_is_that_lady.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : THE ISLEY BROTHERS with WHO`S THAT LADY in beautiful gorgeous C-quam as recovered by a Sony SRF-A1 walkman, the best first generation AM STEREO radio in Verdun - SW of downtown Montreal, Quebec, Canada from 1340 Hometown Radio Stereo WIRY Plattsburgh, New York. Drums mostly but not only on one side and electric guitar in the center. Any comments will be dearly appreciated !! GROUNDWAVE DX from Plattsburgh to Montreal with mid-Fi sound ! 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File : /mp3-usa/01 - The_Beatles.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : a nice Beatles classic rock oldie with a great Motorola C-Quam stereophonic separation as recovered by the Sony SRF A1 personal radio and the PK loop in a plastic bag that I oriented while walking from a meeting in Verdun which is substantially closer to Plattsburgh where WIRY broadcast from than Pierrefonds-Roxboro, Fairly good sound, almost mid fidelity even though I personnally appreciate the sound of THE ISLEY BROTHERS record much better. Feel free to comment, as it`ll keep my passion strong You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/01%20-%20The_Beatles.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Mar 14 08:14:50 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95470 invoked by uid 102); 14 Mar 2013 15:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2013 15:14:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 27547 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2013 15:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.31) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2013 15:14:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1363274089; bh=dm+57WnyyM2gTVnmUmieZKVgzGW257Su1H6ezDc4f5M=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F/y2lM3744ARXXj1I0d8QJqTB7lCxR/M2ZQSqfbmj1ODrfF/gl/ZJhfuX2Q9RohPEZz5GuDrBmsZUbv7F7nj7yPh5afmTS+7sl1XoTIwbuuI6uydKf8VObyNpbJoogA7S30Kbu0iS4LR/yPW2Q8ED19t2So4zFFpS9ks4OOCb2A= Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2013 15:14:49 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2013 15:14:49 -0000 Date: 14 Mar 2013 15:14:48 -0000 Message-ID: <1363274088.15507.30915.w12@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/Graveyard_DX_in_C-quam_stereo.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : An astonishing capture of BOTH local GRAVEYARD DXing with snippets of occasional AM Stereo Motorola C-Quam decoding from WBLQ in Westerly, Rhode Island on 1230 kHz in Verdun, SW of downtown Montreal using ONLY the Sony SRF A1 and the Australian Paul Karlstrand`s PK AM loop antenna. SKYWAVE GRAVEYARD DX with occasional C-QUAM STEREO separation !!!! Your comments are a blessing to my heart ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/Graveyard_DX_in_C-quam_stereo.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Mar 14 08:27:08 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40513 invoked by uid 102); 14 Mar 2013 15:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2013 15:27:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 14684 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2013 15:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.83) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2013 15:27:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1363274827; bh=DZBP/bbtzmiOKBmtBSh6VyXfvasKzuYJnfEj9tM4qzA=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cFcmZdRnR4Ubxr+hjjBcYIxCCZoGBaUR4hYyQhYZpTGdWKvNLGryPYpl1YrWiui5JJJHzcC4Mjj/Trkzj3ZKLY3jVgyN9C1XcrQ29bCEF+4pWla+KdxqYgYhnJaI00Ue1/XuhiT6vmsCrSZlaXIen3KaBnOa7/xycHINHIhnJiw= Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2013 15:27:07 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2013 15:27:07 -0000 Date: 14 Mar 2013 15:27:07 -0000 Message-ID: <1363274827.11080.13831.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/14 - Julie_Anne_Hobb_That_Song_in_my_Head.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : WIRY in Plattsburgh, NY is known to play both great oldies, classic country, new country and the very occasional Adult Contemporary pop record suitable for their audience such as Jason Muraz or Clary Clarkson. Here is a new country record airchecked from WIRY yesturday during the same Verdun walk carrying the Sony SRF A1 with the PK mediumwave AM loop tuned right to 1340 kHz and the Sony SRF A1 set to the blue stereo position and AM STEREO MODE A Harris, Magnavox & Motorola compatible !!!!!!!!!! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/14%20-%20Julie_Anne_Hobb_That_Song_in_my_Head.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Mar 14 12:49:52 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87583 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2013 19:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2013 19:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.139) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2013 19:49:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1363290592; bh=YnZYhfmzZSMLt5C7g+WEJdZbKdcFJM9oRf7QKrvJH/Y=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4OKUNYgZMchQvArTLl30SEvyV8BSWxRtUIqL11zQ7Zou/gXS0G8ldfkYKLArrNpdX6GT7oZt7MnaV/UvSUZI1V+AruQWoaIDT/u3Dbk+M/kj46484g602wDnTv1Izv+OAmknpvls5adtmFwpPT+U0kIRb99OfQlexHci/bKBi6w= Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2013 19:49:52 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2013 19:49:52 -0000 Date: 14 Mar 2013 19:49:50 -0000 Message-ID: <1363290590.51420.43582.w6@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. 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Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 14 de Mar=E7o de 2013 13:14 Assunto: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 group. =A0 File=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : /mp3-usa/Graveyard_DX_in_C-quam_stereo.mp3=20 =A0 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 =A0 Description : An astonishing capture of BOTH local GRAVEYARD DXing with= snippets of occasional AM Stereo Motorola C-Quam decoding from WBLQ in Wes= terly, Rhode Island on 1230 kHz in Verdun, SW of downtown Montreal using ON= LY the Sony SRF A1 and the Australian Paul Karlstrand`s PK AM loop antenna.= SKYWAVE GRAVEYARD DX with occasional C-QUAM STEREO separation !!!! Your co= mments are a blessing to my heart !=20 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/Graveyard_DX_in_C= -quam_stereo.mp3=20 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 14 de Mar=E7o de 2013 12:57 Assunto: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 group. =A0 File=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : /mp3-usa/06 - Who_is_that_lady.mp3=20 =A0 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 =A0 Description : THE ISLEY BROTHERS with WHO`S THAT LADY in beautiful gorg= eous C-quam as recovered by a Sony SRF-A1 walkman, the best first generatio= n AM STEREO radio in Verdun - SW of downtown Montreal, Quebec, Canada from = 1340 Hometown Radio Stereo WIRY Plattsburgh, New York. Drums mostly but not= only on one side and electric guitar in the center. Any comments will be d= early appreciated !! GROUNDWAVE DX from Plattsburgh to Montreal with mid-Fi= sound !=20 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/06%20-%20Who_is_t= hat_lady.mp3=20 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 14 de Mar=E7o de 2013 12:57 Assunto: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 group. =A0 File=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : /mp3-usa/06 - Who_is_that_lady.mp3=20 =A0 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 =A0 Description : THE ISLEY BROTHERS with WHO`S THAT LADY in beautiful gorg= eous C-quam as recovered by a Sony SRF-A1 walkman, the best first generatio= n AM STEREO radio in Verdun - SW of downtown Montreal, Quebec, Canada from = 1340 Hometown Radio Stereo WIRY Plattsburgh, New York. Drums mostly but not= only on one side and electric guitar in the center. Any comments will be d= early appreciated !! GROUNDWAVE DX from Plattsburgh to Montreal with mid-Fi= sound !=20 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/06%20-%20Who_is_t= hat_lady.mp3=20 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Thu Mar 14 18:41:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8189 invoked by uid 102); 15 Mar 2013 01:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 01:41:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13521 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2013 01:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.78) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 01:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2013 01:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2013 01:41:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 01:41:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.176 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Sony CFS 6000 boombox X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=RrBXtTizaw94DC4s7Gwoe-RAKbJ7Zo6znKxu94dzNDWr4Eu63gLJcUw X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Warm greetings to all of you, especially Chris ! I saw Chris video on YouTube and it concerned me a lot, as I was the proud = owner of such a radio until a false friend of mine, working with an austist= ic foster home INTENTIONALLY broke it during a fight. While it eventually g= ot repaired a few months later, it was still not in the same shape as when = purchassed from E-Bay and very quickly the tape deck broke once again. Here are the reasons I need a Sony CFS 6000 AND / OR a Sanyo MW 250: 1) Since then, I purchassed two Voice Recorders, including incidentally a S= ONY one which is in excellent shape. However, I cannot phase at 100% the sl= ight, albeit bothersome noise coming from the VR WHEN IN operation. I never= had any tape noises issues while recording from that trusty Sony CFS 6000 2) I am lucky enough to have a local station (well, almost local) in Platts= burgh, NY which puts in a respectable daytime signal in the SUD-OUEST area = of Montreal, where I live during the week days, definitively closer to true= Hi-Fi sound than in Pierrefonds where it is fringy to say the least. They = sometimes play very good music and have a nice oldies fashioned jingles pac= kage ! 3) Even though not exactly reliable, even far from it, despite the demise o= f stereo sound on KCJJ, I can sometimes get good stereo from believe it or = not WBLQ and, especially, WINY. WINY 1350 AM Putnam is OFTEN albeit briefly= STRONGER than WIRY in Pierrefonds where I live on week-ends, such as BEFOR= E they switch from 5000 W to 79 W. Therefore Hometown Radio STEREO WIRY is = NOT the only target of my listening activities. 3) In Montreal, one can still find at Acces Electronique empty C90 Maxell a= udio tapes. 4) A tape running at the proper speed provides higher audio quality than th= e average WAV file if one manages to carry on Hi-Fi content along with. 5) In exchange, I can send either money OR tapes of AM Stereo listening fro= m my OWN collection. 6) If the Sony CFS 6000 is no longer available, one can always depart from = a Sanyo MW 250 as I`m curious how it`ll work comparatively and it is the ON= LY other boombox with AM STEREO capability made for the NA market. 7) Last, but definitively not least, I do STILL have the BROKEN AM STEREO F= M STEREO CFS 6000 unit at my home in Pierrefonds, so in case any other opti= on will fail, I can always trust someone here off list to repair the tape d= eck. I do ENJOY the VOICE RECORDER airchecking alternative, BUT when the si= gnal is even SLIGHTLY fringy, there is a difference beetwen the original so= und and the airchecked one. I also do enjoy the audio LINE IN some boombox = have such as a recent Sony brand, but it adds more noises. 8) I used to own an AM Mono FM Stereo Sanyo and also it needed 8 batteries,= while the Sony CFS 6000 only need 6 big ones INSTEAD OF 8 big ones which i= s more practical for outside listening in the fresh air. In the appartment = I live in Verdun it is too noisy for ANY serious AM Stereo listening, so ma= ybe the CFS 6000 is a better option than the MW 250 from Sanyo. 9) I cherrish the things I have and if it would not have been for the fight= ing with the foster home worker where I lived a few years ago, I would have= still had the Sony CFS 6000, as I had a regular Sanyo for 14 years with no= t a single drawback, to say the least. 10) A minor drawback and possibly not even a too relevant one for this mess= ageboard but the FM cannot be switched to MONO, because it uses FM STEREO D= olby and believe me, in the areas from Pointe Clerc onward to Verdun, WIRY = sounds more natural than most, even though not all, Montreal FMers. On FM, = one can hear a good deal of capture effect, even though the sensitivity is = more than perfect, the selectivity, capture effect and overloading are awfu= l on FM, but who cares when AMSF deals with AM Stereo and when I`m in this = Motorola mood ? 11) After watching again the Youtube video, I most agree that the Sony CFS = 6000 had 12.5 kHz response, while the Sony SRF A1 only about 7 kHz. Also, I= feel with my own ears there is less bass on the SRF A1 personal radio as c= ompared to the Sony CFS 6000 and it is quite unfortunate, to say the least. Anyway, here there were the important points... Feel free to answer either = here or by private e-mail for helping me to obtain a radio like the Sony CF= S 6000. Also feel free to comment on those 11 tips related to my own DXperi= ences. May the good DX be with you and may Hi-Fi Motorola C-Quam stereo always bel= ong to your ears ! 73 and good DX, Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu, writing from his appartment in Verdun Montreal=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 06:32:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15128 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2013 13:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2013 13:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 13:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2013 13:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2013 13:32:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:32:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1363305422.6033.YahooMailNeo@web142301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: WIRY Stereo AM Hometown Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=M3siqLtlHTBIRM_oFpxd5DgJtiWyuWxFvtCvpqdUjiBIoTF9zzo_7uE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The AM band would be in much better shape if there were more stations like = WIRY on the air. Local, local, local, with one heck of mix of music from ac= ross the board, stereo audio, tons of records that actually get played (the= y even have 2 turntables in studio), local DJ's that can play what they wan= t, local sports, and all-around WKRP feel to the place. I listen to them on= line, but I'm sure that their air signal is much better than their very low= -data rate internet feed. WIRY is 'da bomb' and I hope that they stay live= and local, and in AM stereo. We should drop them a line and let em know that they are being listened to,= and that there are still sources for AM stereo radios (not as many as we'd= like, but they're still out there). 73 John From jmrouse@mail.com Fri Mar 15 11:21:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8036 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2013 18:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2013 18:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.net) (74.208.4.201) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 18:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([172.19.198.48]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmxus002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MTxIr-1U7OK50ceP-00QnWr for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:21:24 +0100 X-Received: (qmail 32033 invoked by uid 0); 15 Mar 2013 18:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from 71.246.17.44 by rms-us008 with HTTP Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: <20130315182122.251340@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: 9QMxcUoD3zOlOgRR5nAhBBR+IGRvb4CJ X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=zaD3l0WYMUn0OZu_vIhCy3-k1kWVcJ-qyz_sdngvm93RGZLvw5-e X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang, Wow, the silence is deafening on this. My guess is you, like me are having a hard time wrapping your head around this one. In some ways, I can see this happening, in other ways I can't. For example: Young guy I work with: age 28 Has a nice radio setup in his cars. He never uses it though. He is always swiping his thumbs on his I Phone he has patched into it, picking out songs to listen to while driving. He does not even have the mast screwed into the antenna base. This applies to both cars. The only time he listens to radio for any length of time, is when they play all Christmas music. Another young guy: (my son) age 26 In the morning, listens to the very ecclectic WXPN. During the day, he has WXTU (country), WRFF (alternative), or WVLT (oldies) on. Depending on his mood that day. Has all news KYW on the drive home. Often leaves CFZM's all night jukebox on, all night long. There you have one young person listening very little, another who does a lot of radio listening. I have a bazillion thoughts going through my head, should anyone want to discuss this subject. Look forward to hearing from you. Have a good Friday and a great weekend, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: brian54660 Sent: 03/10/13 10:06 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Fri Mar 15 11:39:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29495 invoked by uid 102); 15 Mar 2013 18:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 18:39:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11929 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2013 18:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.net) (74.208.4.200) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 18:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([172.19.198.45]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmxus001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MaZrx-1U0p0V0T7Z-00K5EH for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:39:30 +0100 X-Received: (qmail 3931 invoked by uid 0); 15 Mar 2013 18:39:30 -0000 X-Received: from 71.246.17.44 by rms-us014 with HTTP Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:39:27 -0400 Message-ID: <20130315183928.199820@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: tw8xcWov3zOlOgRR5nAhag5+IGRvbwCR X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=NCPxSH-6312tNq03gMoBAPYFDxSbIxt7wc66uQ9pV6r0HwYTiyas X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I LOVE IT! Really, the sound is excellent, considering the distance and the effective radiated power. You would never be able to do that with FM or (shudder) IBOC. Thank you for sharing this! Have a good Friday and a great weekend, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: 03/14/13 10:57 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Mar 15 12:26:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13660 invoked by uid 102); 15 Mar 2013 19:26:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 19:26:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15005 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2013 19:26:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.39) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 19:26:37 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2013 19:26:36 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.98.111] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2013 19:26:36 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1048.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2013 19:26:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 528789.52728.bm@omp1048.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 51378 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2013 19:26:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cZjILQsVM1k2SvMq97ipZStroMu0T4Sckn4RdtMs0yK3j3K 9ahjS04PPsNY2LEg2TL.zMrWqNXKbNF52HBZtd0CsiOslNQfJZtFyybdzzZT 2_gz8ldizgE0S2uf.e.lyEfTn57rw7uXsn.AmhZLKFLtsfvJwVrXAOc8Roi. 0vbBsmh6pgnbcgTE3rY2oUmmCHiGL9aUsunz5m0SPV9.tRkZPeJ0qUVXrFKY zXuYI3darUHPwV_45Aj8iuvkC5R6tmxMPOn_3nzMiXxoN67BkA5DM8zyxq87 XqnZHBxm97qmXuI7bnH6sKTqvMKNIPfzC1WdSr0AvSRsaUhnHxORCjWkXMIm rOxLsRUEURYA.S3illb1Qn1n1_uXy1GdHW3ZET3W.KnY8CQCjMgniYBNf15l VxsPBJj7rsV8wwYejGS_Y9thIbzo_ggDdPpQbpI_q4_iqQCPP1s.5tebmghf sYFHU.nubnNtQ34nP7JRF47FlR5GMbEEoq1sUG41KYglk7DzztLgDmdXVFXm RoHBKOlELF6sGX8TT7E0hYpCt9qcc.pe7IRG4Qf2k7w1LobGcOhs8uYF.OSi JJA0d.Pf4DChqw3bZIllyi_Bn2mCfltTjmrC7cvaobc.TKg1Re17.W5U1UKa 0UxbBsLE4G76wzjPEL9nskGtLZrHgnoczTfwEvA4SdrxJi.CDG5Teu4VSTr0 LeoFTmmHuGFASWlAMRVLxQzN6gVZvPy7ySELl_jBWoEwa3vHV_CPLb4xLwKL 6zlf5oA58XNujozXdb.W7v0bru5M0USwJ2MTVHxxJAxC0IKMp6CrGa80TA8P vy67yKAsM3DAPhaxDiFoYHCbJD1tFEuu4TaEN6MyQJ9hhNZjXkvPxRLORTUj wdJZ4qgkxXeQUCgDs71hKiEDuLG7INFf9q4O8jSwNySezni47HGXOuV3ZWG. huscoycJYxL6sqs0ihId8hOatis1zVWJkurX8GADuOhvvcMLNG_nfr3zCWMJ QMLhj9p0ryfHPerruoD__Y9gPI5iLhmr93a2.RQLrDiQ.PnEbBItVB9KjifX 6LfhlyHnNDqO7GSx9clqIkAsnPPwcYkBlR0rioEURI_E8qyoVlF9y9x8ptpU DakkoS3igoZf8TxSPM0f3nWLGNyTwFp6z83dTNxc7hF6juDasm9J9HZR5j2k spKXVuHlZ3RN5DyhsO.EQq4RxkvCPnOo8NuF2Wgy4TtsyZr6UyKUimAnCZlI 63ObRTGlD5n6FHIh7Y6lede_PwHozShV.AfsZ3aAUrc4GDDyMJ5wUd2bmoyD UO.i7ofMe2pc0.SM3c_yBTq6bT2Fsn6hd.Ikjh2V7nmmg853KPuO0mpvTtba hz0Csnf56Yg1mtQY2fuYUbHCfjWt6_SSl7bGIt3TXdrpk_ZLrbgfCfTZNTq2 _N211bRWOxyEg3NhilJD5THjAQpmM03MBR7Rq2xZhP707imSFEXT1.Js0Fmz qQr3aeX1k3Vr.2Wsx4EPOQb2h3Sb.uDrH.z6O5Y_3HMOCt.qknBB1vfumcEJ Ag44lmkwxayLNwwjavxo.iZNUFw_5hTnFvoB6VsNewO7u_Of0hj4eC1Q3KqM 478h3Mm_AXlnK1dI6RYhJZsTT7toham0CNScfjXuPp2PxLiTxwDGENPTgInj MszcJf6aUFq5xZh2EBrzG3GFmBmNAOBXtts1W3Y1trjiGi3qtcsy8usqBPnZ psY1aVXcgMJlHLlF5MSqcDom3kesJI_6pDP8lB6xqXpRsDciwYb5J65qbi.C 2Ymfc0b8HLaPeJhgDaGSrnqp32c2hSp27r3RnWoiTClm9P5JDMz5QSEb3_Yz gbTZwtiCsVy1oE1l.rVSxCBXU6X4.phxCFwaJlXPztr_lui52ErM2Vx8eM3B ZYFCbVuclW0V0i_TOmKpnt.lVOYaqQE4d0Mdb6qGCLsJPJ_QAblhqCg-- X-Received: from [46.195.13.47] by web133201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:26:36 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SXQgd2lsbCBiZSA5OSUgaW1wb3NzaWJsZSB0byBzZWxsIGEgY2FyIHdpdGhvdXTCoCBBTS9GTSByYWRpby4gTW9zdGx5IGJlZm9yZSBkcml2aW5nIHlvdSB0dW5lIGludG8geW91IGxvY2FsIHJhZGlvc3RhdGlvbiBvbiBBTS9GTcKgYXQgeW91ciBicmVha2Zhc3QgYW5kIHdhbnQgdG8gY29udGludWUgdHVuZSB0byBpdCBpbiB5b3VyIGNhbiB3aXRoIEFNL0ZNOgoKCkJlc3RzIGZyb20KUm95IFNhbmRncmVuCkJveCAxNDAwNgpTZS0yMDAyNCBNYWxtbwpTV0VERU7CoMKgwqDCoMKgIHd3dy5yYWRpb3N5ZC5ldQoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.137.519 References: <20130315182122.251340@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1363375596.43762.YahooMailNeo@web133201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:26:36 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <20130315182122.251340@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=T5_y6T9Vl24JjxsyP5bQ4pFICDHkqNx3itTfgL-DSgYG0Fk X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It will be 99% impossible to sell a car without=C2=A0 AM/FM radio. Mostly b= efore driving you tune into you local radiostation on AM/FM=C2=A0at your br= eakfast and want to continue tune to it in your can with AM/FM: Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Joseph Rouse Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 15 mars 2013 19:21 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =C2=A0=20 Hi Gang, Wow, the silence is deafening on this. My guess is you, like me are having = a hard time wrapping your head around this one. In some ways, I can see thi= s happening, in other ways I can't. For example: Young guy I work with: age 28 Has a nice radio setup in his cars. He never uses it though. He is always s= wiping his thumbs on his I Phone he has patched into it, picking out songs = to listen to while driving. He does not even have the mast screwed into the= antenna base. This applies to both cars. The only time he listens to radio for any length of time, is when they play= all Christmas music. Another young guy: (my son) age 26 In the morning, listens to the very ecclectic WXPN. During the day, he has WXTU (country), WRFF (alternative), or WVLT (oldies)= on. Depending on his mood that day. Has all news KYW on the drive home. Often leaves CFZM's all night jukebox on, all night long. There you have one young person listening very little, another who does a l= ot of radio listening. I have a bazillion thoughts going through my head, should anyone want to di= scuss this subject. Look forward to hearing from you. Have a good Friday and a great weekend, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: brian54660 Sent: 03/10/13 10:06 AM To: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Mar 15 12:36:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10834 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2013 19:36:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2013 19:36:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 19:36:49 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.201]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJP007D3VTAOP62@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:36:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <20130315182122.251340@gmx.com> <1363375596.43762.YahooMailNeo@web133201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1363375596.43762.YahooMailNeo@web133201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:36:48 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Back when there was some musical variety on radio, I listened a lot. Now a= ll the music stations sound pretty much the same as each other, and I seldo= m listen. I=E2=80=99m just bored with them. I usually carry a few CDs wit= h me. Dick W. From: Roy Sandgren=20 Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:26 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: SV: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =20=20 It will be 99% impossible to sell a car without AM/FM radio. Mostly before= driving you tune into you local radiostation on AM/FM at your breakfast an= d want to continue tune to it in your can with AM/FM: Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Joseph Rouse Till: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: fredag, 15 mars 2013 19:21 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =20=20 Hi Gang, Wow, the silence is deafening on this. My guess is you, like me are having = a hard time wrapping your head around this one. In some ways, I can see thi= s happening, in other ways I can't. For example: Young guy I work with: age 28 Has a nice radio setup in his cars. He never uses it though. He is always s= wiping his thumbs on his I Phone he has patched into it, picking out songs = to listen to while driving. He does not even have the mast screwed into the= antenna base. This applies to both cars. The only time he listens to radio for any length of time, is when they play= all Christmas music. Another young guy: (my son) age 26 In the morning, listens to the very ecclectic WXPN. During the day, he has WXTU (country), WRFF (alternative), or WVLT (oldies)= on. Depending on his mood that day. Has all news KYW on the drive home. Often leaves CFZM's all night jukebox on, all night long. There you have one young person listening very little, another who does a l= ot of radio listening. I have a bazillion thoughts going through my head, should anyone want to di= scuss this subject. Look forward to hearing from you. Have a good Friday and a great weekend, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: brian54660 Sent: 03/10/13 10:06 AM To: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Mar 15 13:19:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77357 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2013 20:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2013 20:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 20:19:42 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MJP00E6EXSTEQ50@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20130315183928.199820@gmx.com> In-reply-to: <20130315183928.199820@gmx.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:19:33 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=_4pkjPokNjr4eiEhgWivlUFyX-ngFNdBucIpW6oeNV2SjS3k4H16110 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your kind words ! The sound will have to be even more excellent when I`ll use a Sony CFS 6000 along with that same trusty PK and Select-A-Tenna loops because of the equalizer, the dissapearance of the Voice Recorder QRM AND the ability to power it from 6AA in VERDUN where WIRY is typically stronger daytime than in Pierrefonds (daytime). However, my Sony CFS 6000 no longer works properly which is why I would need a replacement like another one, a Sanyo MW 250 or a repair of that same Sony CFS 6000. By the way, we went in the car today and I used both the monaural dull sounding car radio and the Sony SRF A1 walkman PK loop combo, as my father was driving and even in Villeray Parc Extension, WIRY 1340 puts in a fairly nice C-Quam signal for the distance, being in eastern MTL. Really didn`t expected that...and this was EASTERN Montreal, in SOUTH-EASTERN Montreal (i.e.: Hochelaga Maisonneuve), it must be stunning, maybe the best spot in Montreal for WIRY groundwave, the skywave being more than unreliable (I even think Stereo 1230 WBLQ in Westerly, Rhode Island as being slightly more reliable than WIRY AT NIGHT) ? Last, but definitively not least, do you refer to the Beatles song or to the Isley Brothers one ? Warm greetings once again and I must wish you a good week-end ! Bogdan Chiochiu, now in Pierrefonds-Roxboro (NW area of Montreal), Quebec, Canada [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Mar 15 13:28:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15567 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2013 20:28:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2013 20:28:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 20:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2013 20:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.41] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2013 20:28:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 20:27:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.160.70.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.160.70.36 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: WIRY Stereo AM Hometown Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=UH4D0hQYfjkXJgXq7r9xDq6EfSTlldvQe5Irai-hG1zJ4R1tlhMOPlw X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu According to one fellow on this group, one CAN visit them ANYTIME IF planne= d. I think I should e-mail them quickly... Why not ? I wonder how many vinyl records do they have... May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Fri Mar 15 13:29:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17204 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2013 20:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2013 20:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.158) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 20:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2013 20:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2013 20:28:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 20:28:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.160.70.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.160.70.36 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: WINY aircheck X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=lczCdFTCp07zuLAjIoS0-ZcAbDTUfh3c2EycAbqalGsBvgXTczHQDxk X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Has anyone had the chance to check the skywave aircheck of WINY 1350 AM STE= REO in Putnam, Connecticut ? 73 and good DX ! Bogdan Chiochiu From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Mar 15 15:48:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72057 invoked by uid 102); 15 Mar 2013 22:48:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 22:48:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32078 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2013 22:48:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2013 22:48:38 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 97D851C000051 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:48:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgd002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.5]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6D275E000085 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <81c69.18bad48b.3e74ff46@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:48:38 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460613056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29085143a5461083 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: WSM Still Planning To Upgrade to AM-Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=NL6c6JH1Xq8m2xMhcchYBwdyOoUl5akocBUgSxESP_62NpJe2fXa X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi all, I recently wrote to the WSM chief engineer, Mr Jason Cooper and asked if he was still planning to upgrade WSM to AM-Stereo again? I received a nice letter back saying he is still planning to start testing C-QuAM later on this spring. He is very busy now with other duties for WSM but will have time for his AM Stereo project soon. He said he will be very interested in the response he gets from listeners when he turns on C-QuAM again. I told him I will try to help spread the word when he starts testing C-QuAM again on WSM. I am sure that will be big news to radio groups around the country. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From ninjarider100@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 19:37:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ninjarider100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75408 invoked by uid 102); 16 Mar 2013 02:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 02:37:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2470 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 02:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.108) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 02:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 02:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 02:37:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 02:37:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 76.183.105.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.183.105.236 From: "ninjarider100" Subject: Motorola 1300 and 1310 manual available for posting. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=528075768; y=ip8YQec_JDLww4eDhbRp_YUUMEubvxJzQQGk5Zkr5SZXFxB5qxBuIw X-Yahoo-Profile: ninjarider100 I scanned the complete manual for the 1300 and 1310 exciter and monitor tod= ay at work using a large format scanner for the drawings. Its 249 pages or= so and runs about 34Mb. Send me an email and lets see if we can get this = posted somewhere. JJ From ninjarider100@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 19:38:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ninjarider100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9830 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 02:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 02:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.139) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 02:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 02:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 02:38:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 02:38:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 76.183.105.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.183.105.236 From: "ninjarider100" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_OT._Looking_for_schematic_of_HARRIS_DIGIT=EF=BF=BDCD__FM_Exciter!!!?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=528075768; y=c276qAdW5YgIVeFRHdrIUp1blRPdfLgYtqbJO8fmvJEH-itpHp4uTA X-Yahoo-Profile: ninjarider100 Sign up for an account with Harris. That will get you access to all their = drawings and bulletins. Its free. JJ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > Hi all...=20 > I know that this post is OT, but I'm in searching for the schematics of t= he HARRIS DIGIT=EF=BF=BDCD FM Exciter, and can't find anyhting about it wi= th scematics and/or parts. I need the Digital interface - Stereo Encoder bo= ard schematics as I have a unit on my bench, with a fault. I have locatesd = the components need to be replaced but since there are some SMT cap's also = involved, there isn't any value marked on them. So only hope is to see thei= r values from the service schematics!!! I know there are many people here w= ho may have worked it in the past, so I will appreciate if someone can send= a chematic of just that board (AES Digital Interface & DSP Stereo encoder)= .=20 >=20 > Sorry if my OT post is about FM... but looking all possible ways to find = this information.=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris pdmtr > From ninjarider100@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 19:48:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ninjarider100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34385 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 02:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 02:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.128) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 02:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 02:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 02:48:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 02:48:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 76.183.105.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.183.105.236 From: "ninjarider100" Subject: C-quam on shortwave? (video link) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=528075768; y=lbHe0GmMLYfVahOZjnTcwv_pWKWuxmNR5mQmQa_eMCEwLDZe9hEw5w X-Yahoo-Profile: ninjarider100 Apparently its being done.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6Bjo26Z391A JJ From acq@videotron.ca Fri Mar 15 20:05:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41608 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 03:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 03:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 03:05:24 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MJQ00KSEGKZ7241@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <28122C3A1B5947FDACD630CDCB11EBCF@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:05:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-quam on shortwave? (video link) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=yrEvfR5RB_4akTlBf630OR9Ko1p69y93yltMr6EbeKb2BWQU_sDN5j0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow ! I just suscribed to YouTube to watch this video and...to post an affo= rdable comment regarding the Sony CFS 6000 and you came... Anyway, it makes me forget what I INITIALLY wanted and now, since my techni= cal skills are limited, I NEED help to MODIFIY a SHORTWAVE BOOMBOX that cov= ers OUT OF BAND PIRATE FREQUENCIES with continuos tuning from 5.9 to 18 MHz= (so no tropical or 75m ham bands). I think XFM could make to Montreal under the right conditions, since they b= roadcast from the midwest, right ? Do they have an E-MAIL address ?=20 My Aiwa portable is having 3 drawbacks: 1) volume control adjustments are extremely hard because of the potentiomet= er control 2) the tape deck broke when I played a tape recorded on that defective CFS = 6000 3) it does only AM MONO on shortwave Also is XFM broadcasting only on Saturday nights ? I tried a bit earlier, b= ut didn`t succed in making out something intelligible above 49 meters and b= elow 71 meters, besides a religious broadcaster around 6.8 MHz. XFM seems SLIGHTLY SIMILAR to 99X, except incidentally 99X (KCJJ) is now mo= naural while XFM is AM STEREO on shortwave. Dear Juan Jesus Parcedes or Chris Cuff, do you know where I could ship an u= sed AIWA LW-MW-SW-FM boombox for technical adjustments ? I WANT to SWL to X= FM on my own ! I never had that challenge of Motorola SW DXing ! I`always e= njoys rare stuff... May the good DX be with you ! =A1 Que la madrugada te traiga lindos se=F1ales lejanos en la onda media y = corta con mucho gusto ! Bogdan A. Chiochiu Btw.: Is it possible to modify my broken Sony CFS 6000, repair the tape dec= k or do the same with another rx for having shortwave with wrong mediumwave= frequency analog reading AND use the ferrite bar antenna retuned to 6950 k= Hz ? I would be a stunning DXperience, even if recording would be impossibl= e as parts from AIWA are hard to find, just listening to it live in C-QUAM = instead of that YouTube spectrum video ! Has anyone used FERRITE BARS inste= ad of telescopic whips for SHORTWAVE ? I have something in my mind related = to that, but... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ninjarider100=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 10:48 PM Subject: {AMSF} C-quam on shortwave? (video link) =20=20=20=20 Apparently its being done.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6Bjo26Z391A JJ =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Mar 15 20:12:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69120 invoked by uid 102); 16 Mar 2013 03:12:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 03:12:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11474 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 03:12:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 03:12:40 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MJQ00DZFGX32450@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <44A5C6D2549F463DB0947D405CC4DE78@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:12:27 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-quam on shortwave? (video link) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=byOoKG9Y7pDFXXPeH7zfD8nLOOPGblO8ZSPDTkA8sSsAhqPc-eQPGcI X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One last thing: the ST separation on this 6950 kHz AM STEREO recording is probably so great because it uses a 3rd generation Motorola transmitter exciter and you use a 3rd generation Motorola rx chip. On 1st generation, the platform motion were killing shortwave. 3rd generation also obviously helps mediumwave on the Japanese Sony SRF A300 model... Anyway, that`s the realistic future of C-QUAM, shortwave using 3rd generation Motorola chips the ones in that gorgeous Meduci tuner made by Chris Cuff... Is someone having a software for decoding AM STEREO using monaural receivers like my trusty AIWA ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu Btw.: I`m gonna try for XFM before it`s too late... ----- Original Message ----- From: ninjarider100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 10:48 PM Subject: {AMSF} C-quam on shortwave? (video link) Apparently its being done.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bjo26Z391A JJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Mar 15 20:19:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77954 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 03:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 03:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 03:19:19 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MJQ00LK5H86DQA0@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <804C76FE764F479E8B3F45712891F07B@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:19:09 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: AM Stereo on LW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=UUfjmw6Jqm2MG6sUujNV3XR-sWPVRlmzQglgSWYpM-CiLYUqc1rdO5E X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since platform motion is almost a non issue on longwave as compared to mediumwave (skywave signals on longwave are steadier, let alone longwave ones), why no one considered using it for stereo except Iceland on 189 kHz ? Let`s keep this group more alive ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Mar 15 20:29:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2195 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 03:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 03:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 03:28:59 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MJQ00DETHOA2470@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:28:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Belar AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=2G-wze5BnoE_CzslJiKG5X4v-hkxTBUoc0MXbf2dJ2kjmdFCEqIneaM X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again for the last time ! is anyone having an AIRCHECK of WJR during their BELAR years ? I heard a lot of talk lately about the BELAR system and I`m curious about it... Was it superior or equal to Kahn Hazeltine ? Thanks for your answer and your general support ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Sat Mar 16 00:52:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4622 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 07:52:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 07:52:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.195) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 07:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.50] by nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 07:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.98.74] by tm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 07:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 07:52:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 716210.1696.bm@omp1011.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 99194 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2013 07:52:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m3WQzNEVM1liyyySBfI5Oou1Frq3yVtrv3pmSK9kssZyCYG 8_PJAaOBZ6UZApiz7SgVVpAyG3.4hThj01BsqXmc7.rDfo5_Q.lW3IPlnZOt Cgj93A9_pHsJI28UGFl365Rv3IqF5HFrJw1QDQ3Cc1445_pVp_XM3aS5s08t yKw9scimAr2Dg9hqZmENIeLKhKX5Qe8eXEYPG13ByentDzLdzxFWh2wYL82. oHfcDZymRlAKwOhZYNKZwR7LMlyPkINbTQ1kEpX9207LcyH8Tnx8Dwl6YJYC naQ7c4l.P0zLdtR8YWqsYCZbgIRb8Z9Um5GR6UOp69_tbum306AQraPc3dSx JcGyef1PPTRGNGfSbYwBbmaoUv1APLMOtsxHAD3sVa2ST5Abf9kmOqo8PF__ bnVxGoSsbWYUoZxNdnSyI5T1pv7puMFvAqEX7WXmqzBn3OJluIDok4rCBW.c QJKKlMVFDOylnTwC4Wz8JoTtp8.xRp8pK1fh7I3WeMVOsExP9yFI7aWrtm9v REzKAkFHk83aATNlxE5RsxL..3Ln2bhNwvQFnBqi22A8d7ZYhlMAOwkzDik3 Y8n1razH206RGHPekKaE.h710Qdy6h07Gg.crds52LfMgsrGd7jOPlswOH3f yHFvvS5sJVaYq9xOqyF.i8YoWirUBD0wHa6JCjWS7jKTkCy3qAsbPJJ3r_1Z srpMLokmtiK_OTauSNZSGoyzHPQvF_bU.nxYIyuEKfBCbOQtJg.tX0C73siZ UO8wNSp.nol7kpg..XFUhr1UI1hneNUeKSi0UEh0ZTIw7j9_soq7NEJvh_Jz GQxBlYMhsn0PKX027n9bhIoxbiVs3dIi.aRDYdG8z2nbloXevSTlsYjJQm5p 1j1w.Ja_JPWHuoeeLjs4kAI1n5dAjV.tDTGd173ZfUeHx04rAYnluzdCjUNJ 9yolvM93lBh6Ofm94rss_FxEGVYQ9gVKwhrIdyicgTsFcETvIIcxu39nzkWQ COVz.WyAYkvTzriUtCvnnaRjT.4Y3VGduEzCm3xj08oEzkPqtxrY_yIeZ6tt k4jKZeZrZcGyUpLuyGl9uNgQwmJDj5udTBRyo_24SRbxzrWTygObawnN9tUe T_luZ4GX.IYebv.GIpMUFytjJfvJqeVLUR_H.BzawheLFuMuBajV8G5EcGvy ujD5koOnGVzr8.hP3wUvwu169.c0ha_1je88loIu5nSpkjz08FeoiEOeKf8W lhpNtwZ45Q304L0QTMrM_Q1yeOsa70jh1hbPeG3HS.GCJ86BLmHcvltGKnCB fl2wju8ISw7cbdgFAJ9zGfoE4bAwqabYg4Nso_IQlaa_.5TR5m7NaCdXNen2 vmaojmKdk4iJCx2IzE2Kz2eFusCEppTVEuDnD3prKVkhrqcI1d.yosej8Bwi Ug6yX7SUYLgU_1Jbsr3KNC6NEZjeYOQmkr.uywXQZvT63bOZi5KueAVw1vb9 VJTAOtlNB0H71IYoDKcY.Z702vBxk80GP9nKAViR2MC0P2chSZtfCen.bodX 27LHaOf90C.M8KnQOTso.Hidw8V63JqB4Jtx9uSnupvYJfH5edSz9OSsv6S2 9ApumtzY0qoqn7FiogCjwF.mK63RhKyRA8HZDVHMn_O.7mCghGIyYZJZ.equ jOyNR.X6ho27bL7dYC9cYKbNlPsFZMFOZkRplm6kIYhlYs94l.nCz_AUwMV_ 9WwoPLs_Bt1CIC0gz_.hypRjLyMHqm2ilFmzThwzPeaHl1ASRdTFMIlflMaA EZ5K_JYit2LtEfBhtz1EJUyyido_0DJHIHCKtNp0l0mFm1TWHisYL7qkBqJ8 h5OEwNeMpwyw.PiYtb.R8mfZxzQWwlstJ1l.NYCEQ1ZGREr2JfsooIV9lpJH TZMvLi1UB X-Received: from [46.195.137.236] by web133202.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:52:19 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SCBCb2dkYW4sCnlvdSBoYXZlIHRvIHNlbmQgYW4gZW1haWwgdG8gUmFkaW8gSWNlbGFuZCB3aWNoIGhhcyAyIExXIHN0YXRpb25zICEhCkNvbnRhY3QgdGhlbcKgwqDCoCBieSB1c2luZyB0aGXCoMKgIHd3dy5lbXdnLmluZm_CoMKgwqAgb3LCoMKgIG9yZy4gVXNlIHRoZSBhZHJlc3MgbGlzdCBhbmQgSWNlbGFuZC4KCkJlc3RzIGZyb20KUm95IFNhbmRncmVuCkJveCAxNDAwNgpTZS0yMDAyNCBNYWxtbwpTV0VERU7CoMKgwqDCoMKgIHd3dy5yYWRpb3N5ZC5ldQoKRnLDpW46IE1pcmVsYSBDaGlvY2hpdSA8YWMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.137.519 References: <804C76FE764F479E8B3F45712891F07B@MirelaPC> Message-ID: <1363420339.97090.YahooMailNeo@web133202.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:52:19 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <804C76FE764F479E8B3F45712891F07B@MirelaPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} AM Stereo on LW X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=C9S3OPxQ-8QLkZ8WnJ4nKaGiDErnYWH1-H_eSta_W94e90Y X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H Bogdan, you have to send an email to Radio Iceland wich has 2 LW stations !! Contact them=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 by using the=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.emwg.info=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 or=C2=A0=C2=A0 org. Use the adress list and Iceland. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Mirela Chiochiu Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: l=C3=B6rdag, 16 mars 2013 4:19 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} AM Stereo on LW =C2=A0=20 Since platform motion is almost a non issue on longwave as compared to medi= umwave (skywave signals on longwave are steadier, let alone longwave ones),= why no one considered using it for stereo except Iceland on 189 kHz ? Let`s keep this group more alive ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sat Mar 16 03:11:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73040 invoked by uid 102); 16 Mar 2013 10:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 10:11:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23949 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 10:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 10:11:05 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MJR002JK0AF2Y00@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 06:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <630E624D331E4F6EA52C8B60CD8716C7@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 06:10:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Shortwave AM Stereo XFM pirate X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=PkSsx6GDfhR9u43PK18Je7DpA6WLWCzrNuRL_YIiO1AZytvx2lQdTyg X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings ! Sorry about my overwhelming excitment, but of all those 4 receivers I own, which one will be the easiest to convert in C-Quam and modify to tune into the 6900 kHz pirate area ? the Sony CFS 6000 with broken tape deck ? the Sony A 300 ? the Sony Srf A1 ? Why not ? the Aiwa boombox with monaural sound, bad vol control adjustment and broken tape deckS ? I weakly heard some AOR and also a second station BELOW with pop music between 6.2 ND 7 mhZ on the Aiwa with a 4.5 clipped wire running toward the SOUTH-WEST, from Pierrefonds to Dollard-des-Ormeaux, connected to the telescopic whip of my Aiwa. I also think that while the first station might have been XFM, the second one was definitively an international broadcast not beamed to North America on the verge of the 49 meters band. It had OCCASIONAL STROOOONG peaks that lasted for 2 or 3 minutes maximum at a time, then 10 or more minutes of threshold levels. Anyway, may the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Btw.: Of all of you doing Ham on 160 meters or 75 meters, what rx have you converted to Motorola and / or Kahn ISB stereo and how does it sound ? I know, i know, there is no music, but... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 16 05:32:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1745 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 12:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 12:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.94) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 12:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 12:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.99] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 12:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 12:32:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 225155.57454.bm@omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 63641 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2013 12:32:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MyUpDrkVM1kZP_maWFT7tX0VxtzrbE5ZeSeEAsJsNyWwZwd .m77_fPZHW6WT8DClFL9dXKvLyLuG.2rraf7DFIscJmOjQjrLzUfGoqLp9zf VggaoXQtqsKzPW6WgIDn73oSZnS4uAuXIIq3yR6xrjTPilTnff8_gd2.LXki GjN_p61F3GIuqsIRg4bJDaCrRaLziLmkJ1.bZX8Ay6EiJhx7oSpvVVyvd0IL twv3lGg6meYWzHyPu_fSg779fdQ.g8wrccHKxwVdobVPtcFd1lHs2Rwat1w6 mKIQzkcNIiHq3hY7U3qVmKlDXx_hw3kDEc1cPQEHZ..9gJ4NSR73wxIdKUQS frxHMd5_TNPrMkyemNwSG7YcwrK0Z0oI6wg8G1v8SAR9Q1xLSl1AFbVFBThD KNPkI1a5UK8BzZ.akayWo6KnAlkgDh2YgSt4iPg82hqLFaoBBUX5hDQV.m6z 74odwyyBHwLbSW7GJi4UzEUKB5FT_QCfYyNzYEnib9hLocS6YWBFBTg-- X-Received: from [75.18.50.150] by web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 05:32:41 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SGkgR2FuZ8KgwqAgQmVlbiBhIHdpbGUgbm8gcG9zdC7CoCBUaGUgbGFzdCBmdWUgcG9zdHMgd2hlcmUgdmVyeSBuZWV0LsKgIEkgaGFkIGZvdW5kIHRoaXMgcG9zdCB1c2luZyBHb29nbGUgIjMgdHViZSBDLVF1QU0gQU0gU1RFUkVPIFRyYW5taXR0ZXIgdXNpbmcgdmFsdmVzIi7CoMKgIEl0cyBuZWV0IHJlYWQuIEkNCmRpZCBub3QgZ2V0IGV2ZXJ5IHRoaW5nIHRoYXTCoCBoZSB3cm90ZSBidXQgaXQgd2FzIHN0aWxsIG5lZXQuIEhlIG1hZGUgYSBsb3cgd2F0dCB0cmFzbWl0dGVyIG91dCBvZiAzIHR1YmVzLiABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.137.519 Message-ID: <1363437161.67363.YahooMailClassic@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 05:32:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: 3 tube C-QuAM AM STEREO Transmitter using valves X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=G2y4_IIOcolayg0dbpyd-nEl4rjJSrGbvghF4niiJdT2UScFObuJb1r62E1AfsO3LxNtTcTY X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang=A0=A0 Been a wile no post.=A0 The last fue posts where very neet.= =A0 I had found this post using Google "3 tube C-QuAM AM STEREO Tranmitter = using valves".=A0=A0 Its neet read. I did not get every thing that=A0 he wrote but it was still neet. He made a l= ow watt trasmitter out of 3 tubes. He did not say how high of wattage he wa= s using. Again go to Google AM STEREO=A0 and then AM STEREO TRANSMITTER its= under that. I am glad to see every one is well and good.Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sat Mar 16 05:46:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14585 invoked by uid 102); 16 Mar 2013 12:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 12:46:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20372 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 12:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 12:46:45 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MJR001LJ7HVOF80@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:46:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: 2 duties X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=CzXTEiCT1bL4WBw1N6321PfsSvw9lHygcl2C97Z-sCpcAlIpEpBeliI X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good Saturday morning ! I will be very interested in buying or exchanging for something: ANY SHORTWAVE AM STEREO listening device AND a Sony CFS 6000 with the tape deck in good working conditions, Thanks so much ! Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Mar 16 13:28:45 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86613 invoked by uid 102); 16 Mar 2013 20:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 20:28:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 5389 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 20:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.148) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 20:28:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1363465725; bh=ft32s6hrFpKgox1zKl6dUqk/WjB7oLHLVduY3K1NsTs=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o0MJODtR90ZJOoXAf7CXDmGMiTEJkIkvVpAVO9Rkncb1+xdpxdyXxBHBZxJ1M/UwzT+VXtGu0lw36LliiebolKng9o6xtB5tgbrrA6aqHJ0tUPXq7dLr6rC8/n6e9d4/zq1AlzqfcC+EzI/FsOc5Dd2u7isk0jWEaKrWGbN5HAg= Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 20:28:45 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 20:28:44 -0000 Date: 16 Mar 2013 20:28:43 -0000 Message-ID: <1363465723.9862.64255.w10@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_Kansas_Carry_On_by_bogdan.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : "Carry On" classic AOR by Kansas as REQUESTED LIVE on Hometown Radio Stereo WIRY in the Pierrefonds-Roxboro area of Montreal a few hours ago before the New Country show. I am really impressed with that unscoped aircheck, because it's so personal ! Recorded on the Sony CFS-6000 broken boombox feed to a special noisy tape deck and the PK loop You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_Kansas_Carry_On_by_bogdan.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Mar 16 13:31:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74394 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 20:31:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 20:31:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.213) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 20:31:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 20:31:07 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 20:31:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:31:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Re: Belar AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=A53rG7H_KAalJHaLa7SvpGRLMdr79hPi2AoX_U_PqBMcXHYFbMh2Tfw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Despite being in the city grade countour of WJR, the Belar system is the on= ly one of the AM stereo systems that I never personally heard. I always tho= ught Harris sounded the best, with a properly set-up Kahn system and CQuam = 2nd. I had a homemade decoder for CQUAM and Harris (thanks to the Harris e= ngineer who mailed me a Motorola chip and schematics) and a homemade protob= oarded Magnavox decoder (National Semiconductor 1981 chip) for WOWO. Was n= ot impressed with WOWO at all while Magnavox - could have been my protoboar= d. That being said, I never heard WJR in stereo until they were using CQUA= M, and they sounded quite good with that 2nd only to CKLW using Harris. 73 John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > Hello again for the last time ! >=20 > is anyone having an AIRCHECK of WJR during their BELAR years ?=20 From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Mar 16 13:41:51 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44509 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 20:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 20:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 20:41:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1363466510; bh=lDDXtOTW4rOjdJjgDAd9erLb9zQ4e7FOlf1epcQkhoM=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tRENIYiobrASjHHf4XRBw615Rk2/ww1m3VwdDM3ayStLnigWk3vUOnbIVQ8zjCUs+2avT6RxJI4OlwDXanMPKLIZcWUuljnyUXzYxAr1QEGTu/D61Hmjx8CbZAT1wvqNatB1zl1+uGDrBbzeu6YjflDMW0c78+aqdSbhIpXe6pI= Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 20:41:50 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 20:41:50 -0000 Date: 16 Mar 2013 20:41:50 -0000 Message-ID: <1363466510.1088.69917.w10@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WINY_misc_jingles.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Station bumpers and jingles airchecked on Saturday morning, March 16, 2013 on the Sony CFS 6000 boombox feed to a special HEAVY tape deck and the Australian PK loop just after the switch from 79 watts to 5000 watts on sunrise skip. The most reliable C-QUAM skip after the demise of Motorola exciter on KCJJ 1630. Too bad I miss XFM which would be even more reliable during the darkness on shortwave C-Quam ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WINY_misc_jingles.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Mar 16 18:13:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22454 invoked by uid 102); 17 Mar 2013 01:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 01:13:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15048 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2013 01:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.83) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 01:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2013 01:13:50 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2013 01:13:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:13:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 91.140.1.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 91.140.1.196 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: Motorola 1300 and 1310 manual available for posting. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=HB9nqIDmlZvPfYK-BwTPTk9pbnavBzA5yty7OJmp2Yk X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr IMHO the best place to upload such a large maual and be available to all an= ytime, is the KO4BB excellent site... See below=20 http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/=20 It is free and accepts any file size using ftp instructions to upload it.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ninjarider100" w= rote: > > I scanned the complete manual for the 1300 and 1310 exciter and monitor t= oday at work using a large format scanner for the drawings. Its 249 pages = or so and runs about 34Mb. Send me an email and lets see if we can get thi= s posted somewhere. >=20 > JJ > From brian32m@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 09:07:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian32m@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73710 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2013 16:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2013 16:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.118) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 16:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2013 16:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2013 16:07:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:07:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <81c69.18bad48b.3e74ff46@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.33.171.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.33.171.141 From: "brian54660" Subject: Re: WSM Still Planning To Upgrade to AM-Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101564996; y=dx_TRI6DQdR70uBBYNfFyRWakXNw9w02U2dHSIBZRO6RS1w X-Yahoo-Profile: brian54660 While I believe this is pretty exciting, we all have to take a step back an= d look at the reality of this. Ok so WSM does this, but how many people re= ally have an AM Stereo Receiver? I hope WSM's expectations are pretty low.= This will be something that they will have to stay with and promote for q= uite some time. When they are out on remotes or at the Opry, the need to le= t people listen to an am stereo receiver vs a regular receiver so they can = hear the difference!=20 I also believe they need to have some way of getting receivers to their lis= teners. Either by giveaway or by having a discounted price for listeners t= o order though their website. We need to understand that people will NOT p= ay $300 or $200 or even $100 for an AM Stereo Receiver! Look at the HD rad= io debacle. People have not been willing to purchase HD Radios at $100. D= o we really think that the average WSM or any AM stereo listener would say = to themselves.."wow (insert station here) is in AM Stereo..I need to buy a = $100 receiver so I can listen to AM stereo!" Would they be willing to pay = $50? Maybe. Would they be willing to order an AM Stereo/FM Stereo receive= r for their new car? Maybe if they can get one. At the end of the day in my opinion, everyone in the AM radio community mus= t get the FCC to enforce the interference rules from computers, wires etc, = widen out the bandwidth again, and abandon this outdated rule of lowering p= ower to "protect" some station 500 or 1000 miles away at night. Im in Wisc= onsin, and our station in town has to lower power to protect a station in S= t. Louis and Denver. So we have a difficult time hearing the high school g= ames at night. Instead we hear a mash of spanish and oldies..and with all = respect to oldies and spanish fans...WE DONT CARE! WE WANT TO LISTEN TO OU= R HIGH SCHOOL TEAM IN THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP! Yes I know the engineers wil= l get all upset about how I dont understand AM Propagation..guess what..the= average listener DOESNT CARE! All they say is since we cant get the stati= on WE WONT LISTEN. And so many owners dont do anything with their AM's bec= ause as they say "its not worth it". I dont mean to be argumentative, but = talk to the average person out there(FCC really needs to do this)...its not= that people dont like AM, its they cant get the station they want to liste= n to. If our station could stay at its 1kw, we could get it much better in = town. Would there still be some interference? Sure but Im betting the sta= tion would be listenable and at the end of the day, the owner would do high= school games and other local programs! As it sits right now, they just pu= t on the garbage talk shows and let otto mation run the station. From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Mar 17 10:19:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45275 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2013 17:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2013 17:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 17:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.201]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJT00LF3ERK9NU0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:18:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <3DE96904DD994FAD9EF7FECE7FCD0715@RichardPC> To: References: In-reply-to: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:18:56 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM Still Planning To Upgrade to AM-Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some very good points. Dick W. From: brian54660=20 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:07 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: {AMSF} Re: WSM Still Planning To Upgrade to AM-Stereo =20=20 While I believe this is pretty exciting, we all have to take a step back an= d look at the reality of this. Ok so WSM does this, but how many people rea= lly have an AM Stereo Receiver? I hope WSM's expectations are pretty low. T= his will be something that they will have to stay with and promote for quit= e some time. When they are out on remotes or at the Opry, the need to let p= eople listen to an am stereo receiver vs a regular receiver so they can hea= r the difference!=20 I also believe they need to have some way of getting receivers to their lis= teners. Either by giveaway or by having a discounted price for listeners to= order though their website. We need to understand that people will NOT pay= $300 or $200 or even $100 for an AM Stereo Receiver! Look at the HD radio = debacle. People have not been willing to purchase HD Radios at $100. Do we = really think that the average WSM or any AM stereo listener would say to th= emselves.."wow (insert station here) is in AM Stereo..I need to buy a $100 = receiver so I can listen to AM stereo!" Would they be willing to pay $50? M= aybe. Would they be willing to order an AM Stereo/FM Stereo receiver for th= eir new car? Maybe if they can get one. At the end of the day in my opinion, everyone in the AM radio community mus= t get the FCC to enforce the interference rules from computers, wires etc, = widen out the bandwidth again, and abandon this outdated rule of lowering p= ower to "protect" some station 500 or 1000 miles away at night. Im in Wisco= nsin, and our station in town has to lower power to protect a station in St= . Louis and Denver. So we have a difficult time hearing the high school gam= es at night. Instead we hear a mash of spanish and oldies..and with all res= pect to oldies and spanish fans...WE DONT CARE! WE WANT TO LISTEN TO OUR HI= GH SCHOOL TEAM IN THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP! Yes I know the engineers will get= all upset about how I dont understand AM Propagation..guess what..the aver= age listener DOESNT CARE! All they say is since we cant get the station WE = WONT LISTEN. And so many owners dont do anything with their AM's because as= they say "its not worth it". I dont mean to be argumentative, but talk to = the average person out there(FCC really needs to do this)...its not that pe= ople dont like AM, its they cant get the station they want to listen to. If= our station could stay at its 1kw, we could get it much better in town. Wo= uld there still be some interference? Sure but Im betting the station would= be listenable and at the end of the day, the owner would do high school ga= mes and other local programs! As it sits right now, they just put on the ga= rbage talk shows and let otto mation run the station. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 17 11:12:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70763 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2013 18:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2013 18:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-04.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.154) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 18:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130317131141102610400011> for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:11:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <51460759.7010501@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:11:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:11:41 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20130315182122.251340@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <20130315182122.251340@gmx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130317-0, 03/17/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=MhOla5fzmMwwQbY_lFaHsAH7MU-Ddv7yymGEp46aeKaKb8DOUYE3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/15/2013 1:21 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > Hi Gang, > > Wow, the silence is deafening on this. My guess is you, like me are > having a hard time wrapping your head around this one. In some ways, I > can see this happening, in other ways I can't. > > For example: > > Young guy I work with: age 28 > Has a nice radio setup in his cars. He never uses it though. He is > always swiping his thumbs on his I Phone he has patched into it, picking > out songs to listen to while driving. He does not even have the mast > screwed into the antenna base. This applies to both cars. > The only time he listens to radio for any length of time, is when they > play all Christmas music. > > Another young guy: (my son) age 26 > In the morning, listens to the very ecclectic WXPN. > During the day, he has WXTU (country), WRFF (alternative), or WVLT > (oldies) on. Depending on his mood that day. > Has all news KYW on the drive home. > Often leaves CFZM's all night jukebox on, all night long. > > There you have one young person listening very little, another who does > a lot of radio listening. > > I have a bazillion thoughts going through my head, should anyone want to > discuss this subject. Look forward to hearing from you. > > Have a good Friday and a great weekend, Just read in the latest BDR report that those reports aren't true. I doubt it'll happen any time soon as broadcasting usually stays up when cell networks go down. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 17 11:15:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63606 invoked by uid 102); 17 Mar 2013 18:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 18:15:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25243 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2013 18:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-10.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.170) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 18:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130317131542102906700011> for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:15:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <51460847.6050500@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:15:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:15:42 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130317-0, 03/17/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WIRY Stereo AM Hometown Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=3hg7_6raHqoJ8trM64cU-xEYy3a0I8a6Xb95VOt0P2u48geyATEw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/15/2013 3:28 PM, bogdanchiochiu wrote: > According to one fellow on this group, one CAN visit them ANYTIME IF > planned. I think I should e-mail them quickly... Why not ? > > I wonder how many vinyl records do they have... > > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > Take some pictures while you're there and post them for us. Be sure to get one of the transmitter and stereo generator and possibly one of the tower too. Scott Todd From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Mar 17 11:23:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54531 invoked by uid 102); 17 Mar 2013 18:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 18:23:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26927 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2013 18:23:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.166) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 18:23:07 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP368 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:23:08 -0700 X-EIP: [KwS9iCn/77iff6JMIHHRcpr0fgFrUkvn] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP368.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:23:07 -0700 To: References: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:23:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2013 18:23:07.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[78BFAAC0:01CE233C] X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM Still Planning To Upgrade to AM-Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=FaTGy0x0xs93JK44-5b8UE-x_j6HHdPouof5WKpYFfC5 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd "At the end of the day in my opinion, everyone in the AM radio community must get the FCC to enforce the interference rules from computers, wires etc," i hope 15.221 and 15.219 are not included in that statement. we are not the big interference causers it's devices operating under 15.209 general radiation limits like non linear switching power supplies, flourescent bulbs, dimmers, etc. also some minimum technical standards need to be forced upon radio manufacturers who build radio like we had in the old days. From keith1226@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 11:45:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54625 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2013 18:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2013 18:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.148) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 18:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2013 18:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2013 18:45:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:45:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130315182122.251340@gmx.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 76.22.24.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.22.24.103 From: "KeithB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=vpPnHqOIW2PiYDzBpe6zHMW-rpwgRte1ErsJAOmgNi1BTywd X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 My take:=20 I don't think broadcast radio is dying a "natural" death, I think there are= business interests actively working to kill it. Computer manufacturers and= cable, internet, and smartphone service providers would probably love to s= ee AM and FM go away to make customers more dependent on THEIR devices and = services, and so that they can grab more of the spectrum for mobile data se= rvices (which, of course, will cost us, and make them, more money). So, the= y lobby the public to create the impression that AM and FM are passe, out-o= f-date, and must inevitably yield to newer technologies.=20 I think there are still plenty of us, in all "demographics," listening to r= adio. I love the internet and my mp3s, but I don't want to give up radio in= my car OR in my home.=20 We can reverse this trend if we make enough noise. The UK authorities annou= nced plans to phase out medium-wave broadcasts a couple of years ago, but t= here was such a public outcry they had to postpone it.=20 Regards, Keith Beesley=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > > Hi Gang, >=20 > Wow, the silence is deafening on this. My guess is you, like me are havin= g a hard time wrapping your head around this one. In some ways, I can see t= his happening, in other ways I can't. >=20 > For example: >=20 > Young guy I work with: age 28 > Has a nice radio setup in his cars. He never uses it though. He is always= swiping his thumbs on his I Phone he has patched into it, picking out song= s to listen to while driving. He does not even have the mast screwed into t= he antenna base. This applies to both cars. > The only time he listens to radio for any length of time, is when they pl= ay all Christmas music. >=20 > Another young guy: (my son) age 26 > In the morning, listens to the very ecclectic WXPN. > During the day, he has WXTU (country), WRFF (alternative), or WVLT (oldie= s) on. Depending on his mood that day. > Has all news KYW on the drive home. > Often leaves CFZM's all night jukebox on, all night long. >=20 > There you have one young person listening very little, another who does a= lot of radio listening. >=20 > I have a bazillion thoughts going through my head, should anyone want to = discuss this subject. Look forward to hearing from you. >=20 > Have a good Friday and a great weekend, > Joe R. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: brian54660 > Sent: 03/10/13 10:06 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 17 12:41:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67838 invoked by uid 102); 17 Mar 2013 19:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 19:41:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29106 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2013 19:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-04.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.154) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2013 19:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130317142318100978700010> for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:23:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <51461812.1050906@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:22:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:23:18 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130317-0, 03/17/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 1300 and 1310 manual available for posting. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=joNpFXuqsTvHO0luuT0GPcF9eFoDeX6xaoH5afdSV59k8LtfoLeF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/16/2013 8:13 PM, pdmtr wrote: > IMHO the best place to upload such a large maual and be available to all > anytime, is the KO4BB excellent site... See below > > http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/ > > It is free and accepts any file size using ftp instructions to upload it. > > Best regards > Sotiris Pdmtr Too bad the Boat Anchor Manual Archive isn't accepting new submissions. There are three good broadcast related sites which would undoubtedly be grateful for the submission: The Broadcasters' Desktop Resource- www.thebdr.net suggest you get a hold of Barry Mishkind for instructions Another is www.americanradiohistory.com This one tends to have more catalogs and promotional material, but they welcome and will post manuals as well. The third is www.hallikainen.org. A lot of my manuals have been posted on his site. Let me also suggest making these available in pdf form for those with slower connections. 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(VPS 130317-0, 03/17/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shortwave AM Stereo XFM pirate X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=jvpGlnC-eAHMvJr464Pu6zIotXNinHMGkl77eMV5ixfW3XX1cCQg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/16/2013 5:11 AM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > Warm greetings ! > > Sorry about my overwhelming excitment, but of all those 4 receivers I > own, which one will be the easiest to convert in C-Quam and modify to > tune into the 6900 kHz pirate area ? > > the Sony CFS 6000 with broken tape deck ? > the Sony A 300 ? > the Sony Srf A1 ? Why not ? > the Aiwa boombox with monaural sound, bad vol control adjustment and > broken tape deckS ? > If it doesn't already have shortwave it'll probably be too much work to add it. Start with ones that already do. If yours are in bad shape, you might want to get a better one on eBay. A mono radio could also be converted but you'll have to take the stereo off of a set of RCA jacks and play it through an external amplifier. 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Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: KeithB Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 17 de Mar=E7o de 2013 16:45 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =20 My take:=20 I don't think broadcast radio is dying a "natural" death, I think there are= business interests actively working to kill it. Computer manufacturers and= cable, internet, and smartphone service providers would probably love to s= ee AM and FM go away to make customers more dependent on THEIR devices and = services, and so that they can grab more of the spectrum for mobile data se= rvices (which, of course, will cost us, and make them, more money). So, the= y lobby the public to create the impression that AM and FM are passe, out-o= f-date, and must inevitably yield to newer technologies.=20 I think there are still plenty of us, in all "demographics," listening to r= adio. I love the internet and my mp3s, but I don't want to give up radio in= my car OR in my home.=20 We can reverse this trend if we make enough noise. The UK authorities annou= nced plans to phase out medium-wave broadcasts a couple of years ago, but t= here was such a public outcry they had to postpone it.=20 Regards, Keith Beesley=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > > Hi Gang, >=20 > Wow, the silence is deafening on this. My guess is you, like me are havin= g a hard time wrapping your head around this one. In some ways, I can see t= his happening, in other ways I can't. >=20 > For example: >=20 > Young guy I work with: age 28 > Has a nice radio setup in his cars. He never uses it though. He is always= swiping his thumbs on his I Phone he has patched into it, picking out song= s to listen to while driving. He does not even have the mast screwed into t= he antenna base. This applies to both cars. > The only time he listens to radio for any length of time, is when they pl= ay all Christmas music. >=20 > Another young guy: (my son) age 26 > In the morning, listens to the very ecclectic WXPN. > During the day, he has WXTU (country), WRFF (alternative), or WVLT (oldie= s) on. Depending on his mood that day. > Has all news KYW on the drive home. > Often leaves CFZM's all night jukebox on, all night long. >=20 > There you have one young person listening very little, another who does a= lot of radio listening. >=20 > I have a bazillion thoughts going through my head, should anyone want to = discuss this subject. Look forward to hearing from you. >=20 > Have a good Friday and a great weekend, > Joe R. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: brian54660 > Sent: 03/10/13 10:06 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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In case of emergency, AM/FM radio is needed. =C2=A0 Hope to have a wooden radio with AM/FM SW1 SW2 and am stereo, cd, mp3 etc o= n tests. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: Neto Silva Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 18 mars 2013 3:57 =C3=84mne: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars =C2=A0=20 Is True, Keith Beesley. Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: KeithB Para: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 17 de Mar=C3=A7o de 2013 16:45 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars My take:=20 I don't think broadcast radio is dying a "natural" death, I think there are= business interests actively working to kill it. Computer manufacturers and= cable, internet, and smartphone service providers would probably love to s= ee AM and FM go away to make customers more dependent on THEIR devices and = services, and so that they can grab more of the spectrum for mobile data se= rvices (which, of course, will cost us, and make them, more money). So, the= y lobby the public to create the impression that AM and FM are passe, out-o= f-date, and must inevitably yield to newer technologies.=20 I think there are still plenty of us, in all "demographics," listening to r= adio. I love the internet and my mp3s, but I don't want to give up radio in= my car OR in my home.=20 We can reverse this trend if we make enough noise. The UK authorities annou= nced plans to phase out medium-wave broadcasts a couple of years ago, but t= here was such a public outcry they had to postpone it.=20 Regards, Keith Beesley=20 --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" = wrote: > > Hi Gang, >=20 > Wow, the silence is deafening on this. My guess is you, like me are havin= g a hard time wrapping your head around this one. In some ways, I can see t= his happening, in other ways I can't. >=20 > For example: >=20 > Young guy I work with: age 28 > Has a nice radio setup in his cars. He never uses it though. He is always= swiping his thumbs on his I Phone he has patched into it, picking out song= s to listen to while driving. He does not even have the mast screwed into t= he antenna base. This applies to both cars. > The only time he listens to radio for any length of time, is when they pl= ay all Christmas music. >=20 > Another young guy: (my son) age 26 > In the morning, listens to the very ecclectic WXPN. > During the day, he has WXTU (country), WRFF (alternative), or WVLT (oldie= s) on. Depending on his mood that day. > Has all news KYW on the drive home. > Often leaves CFZM's all night jukebox on, all night long. >=20 > There you have one young person listening very little, another who does a= lot of radio listening. >=20 > I have a bazillion thoughts going through my head, should anyone want to = discuss this subject. Look forward to hearing from you. >=20 > Have a good Friday and a great weekend, > Joe R. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: brian54660 > Sent: 03/10/13 10:06 AM > To: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} gm to end am/fm radios in cars >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon Mar 18 08:35:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37843 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2013 15:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2013 15:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.128) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2013 15:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 15:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 15:35:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:35:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51461E2B.7000104@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.251 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shortwave AM Stereo XFM pirate X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=JogJOsUzWCXquLD0cqliXcRDNZaHc2_jzYyoelw-O5EUSIEJKPJiPrU X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Scott Todd wrote: > > On 3/16/2013 5:11 AM, Bogdan Chiochiu wrote: > > Warm greetings ! > > > > Sorry about my overwhelming excitment, but of all those 4 receivers I > > own, which one will be the easiest to convert in C-Quam and modify to > > tune into the 6900 kHz pirate area ? > > > > the Sony CFS 6000 with broken tape deck ? > > the Sony A 300 ? > > the Sony Srf A1 ? Why not ? > > the Aiwa boombox with monaural sound, bad vol control adjustment and > > broken tape deckS ? > > >=20 > If it doesn't already have shortwave it'll probably be too much work to=20 > add it. Start with ones that already do. If yours are in bad shape,=20 > you might want to get a better one on eBay.=20=20 I never saw a rx tuning Motorola c-quam on SHORTWAVE except maybe homemade,= so EBay is not an option. A mono radio could also be=20 > converted but you'll have to take the stereo off of a set of RCA jacks=20 > and play it through an external amplifier. It`s what I did to record that WIRY aircheck with my Montreal request of Ca= rry On by Kansas. I used a Sony XFD-SO5 boombox with a GREAT MEGABASS AU IN= (AUDIO IN) amplifier, as my Sony CFS-6000 no longer records and VR or comp= uters adds sometimes noises to an already fringy signal. >=20 > Scott Todd > To be realistic I think I might just need tape alignment on my Sony 6000 to= enjoy my semi-local and the occasional few seconds of stereo on skywave OR= to obtain one from our fellow Chris Cuff even though affordance might hurt= . Allthis because analog SW in stereo is maybe so rare ? Last, but not least, to keep up with this topic, I am sure Jeff Deck from M= educci could help to build a SHORTWAVE homebrew tuner receiver XFM and the = hams on 75meters running c-quam and Kahn ISB, but I will seldom hear someth= ing at all related to our hobby on this experimental device, am I ? Still t= he solar activity was on the rise the last few days because Saturday evenin= g NOTHING between 6.4 and 7 MHz while on Friday night I heard some fairly w= eak pirates, including perphaps a hint of XFM, which is definiively a good = sign ! What about introducing a stereo converter to an existing monaural AM Shortw= ave receiver ? Do I have just to purchase a Motorola converter from one of = you fellows, then installation is easy or would I need help from someone wi= th more experience than me ? May the good DX be with you and may the Motorola AM Stereo sounds bless you= ears ! Bogdan Chiochiu From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 11:51:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30434 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2013 18:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2013 18:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.162) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2013 18:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 18:51:09 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 18:51:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:51:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51460847.6050500@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: WIRY Stereo AM and WSM Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=LDb-rAwGfArTrlHtLaMbxYxsHsHF27FLtZ_dkC1vaXtDuEhW7eV7S4E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WIRY's AM Stereo generator is built right into their transmitter, and was i= ncluded on their BE xmitter at the time for no extra charge! I believe their website has photos of their new studios as they just moved = a year or so ago, and I think they have photos posted at WIRY dot com. Our next big task is that WE are going to have to figure out how to get AM = stereo radios to the masses! WSM listeners are going to need a viable option, as well as WIRY, CFCO and = WNMB among others.=20=20 I wish we could get a boatload of HD radios cheap and reprogram them to cut= the high filter to restore decent AM bandwidth for analog AM stations in C= QUAM. Let's put our head together and see what we can do either with getting a bo= atload of CQuam Sony from Japan, or if we have to homegrow our own at a mas= s production price, but quality will have to be there too. Thinking caps on. John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > On 3/15/2013 3:28 PM, bogdanchiochiu wrote: > > According to one fellow on this group, one CAN visit them ANYTIME IF > > planned. I think I should e-mail them quickly... Why not ? > > > > I wonder how many vinyl records do they have... > > > > May the good DX be with you ! > > Bogdan Chiochiu > > >=20 > Take some pictures while you're there and post them for us. Be sure to=20 > get one of the transmitter and stereo generator and possibly one of the=20 > tower too. >=20 > Scott Todd > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 11:53:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67149 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2013 18:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2013 18:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.178) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2013 18:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 18:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 18:53:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:52:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51460847.6050500@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: WSM Radios - one option X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=bx-2VTn9Bfyo60-Nfyv0uMGWR6nrn-ad6sP_cbL02qepHOvTpYGft_4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio How about CCrane working with us to produce a model based on the Chris Cuff= prototype under development? Same with the Meduci Michigan tuners - perhap= s some deal we can strike with CCrane? From acq@videotron.ca Mon Mar 18 14:09:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82980 invoked by uid 102); 18 Mar 2013 21:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2013 21:09:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14830 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2013 21:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.178) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2013 21:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 21:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 21:09:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:09:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.201 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: WIRY Stereo AM and WSM Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=sb_Epw8PImhsigv-ukcijVE4RAZas7FTHXwjaUvtNIe5aCv61AbjV_8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu You are right ! I just arranged a deal with Chris Cuff for the Sony CFS 6000, so I am offer= ing the BROKEN one (the radio is FINE just the tape deck is that way) to WI= RY for monitoring issues AND to improve their AWFUL WEB-STREAM which sounds= like a forever lost piece of heaven, worse than regular HD. There is a friend in Verdun which is closer than Pierrefonds to Plattsburgh= that NEEDS AM STEREO, so I`m gonna depart myself from the Sony A300 Japane= se radio and the Select-A-Tenna TOMORROW MORNING just before going to a che= ss club. After a lot of thinking, I have no right to be egoistic. For me, t= he PK loop from Australia is almost as good if not even better, as it is sm= aller. I can walk the dog with one hand, handle gently the PK loop with the= other and still have the SRF A1 in one my pockets. That friend is interest= ed in AM ST but insists he has no money to buy such a thing, even though he= lives just like me in a market adjacent to Plattsburg. The Sony CFS 6000 and the Sony SRF A1 will then be the only thing that will= no go nowhere. May the symphonic AM Stereo sound bless your gorgeous ears ! Bogdan Chiochiu writting from his weekly home in Verdun, QC "Sam Quantum Leap" wrote: > > WIRY's AM Stereo generator is built right into their transmitter, and was= included on their BE xmitter at the time for no extra charge! > I believe their website has photos of their new studios as they just move= d a year or so ago, and I think they have photos posted at WIRY dot com. >=20 > Our next big task is that WE are going to have to figure out how to get A= M stereo radios to the masses! > WSM listeners are going to need a viable option, as well as WIRY, CFCO an= d WNMB among others.=20=20 > I wish we could get a boatload of HD radios cheap and reprogram them to c= ut the high filter to restore decent AM bandwidth for analog AM stations in= CQUAM. >=20 > Let's put our head together and see what we can do either with getting a = boatload of CQuam Sony from Japan, or if we have to homegrow our own at a m= ass production price, but quality will have to be there too. >=20 > Thinking caps on. >=20 > John >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > > > On 3/15/2013 3:28 PM, bogdanchiochiu wrote: > > > According to one fellow on this group, one CAN visit them ANYTIME IF > > > planned. I think I should e-mail them quickly... Why not ? > > > > > > I wonder how many vinyl records do they have... > > > > > > May the good DX be with you ! > > > Bogdan Chiochiu > > > > >=20 > > Take some pictures while you're there and post them for us. Be sure to= =20 > > get one of the transmitter and stereo generator and possibly one of the= =20 > > tower too. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > > > From acq@videotron.ca Mon Mar 18 15:11:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67071 invoked by uid 102); 18 Mar 2013 22:11:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2013 22:11:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22137 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2013 22:11:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.28) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2013 22:11:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 22:11:46 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 22:11:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:11:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.201 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: WSM Radios - one option X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=c-wSyAR2iyyy9xUCc2NBNy69Daq1_RAYiXw7Xt4newH4XRNv6zKqaMM X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu That`s a neat idea, especially if CCrane could produce a multiband MW-SW ra= dio. That`s my two cents worth of it. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sam Quantum Leap" wrote: > > How about CCrane working with us to produce a model based on the Chris Cu= ff prototype under development? Same with the Meduci Michigan tuners - perh= aps some deal we can strike with CCrane? > From electronbunker@ymail.com Mon Mar 18 21:28:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: electronbunker@ymail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17072 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2013 04:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2013 04:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.108) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2013 04:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 04:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 04:28:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 04:28:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1363437161.67363.YahooMailClassic@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 207.47.241.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.47.241.53 From: "rsw00001" Subject: Re: 3 tube C-QuAM AM STEREO Transmitter using valves X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=392056886; y=UH-g4sTBhW4BCnzdHtFZ8ai5M35nnOl0Ig5sEtXZ9CrKYt3JbjGDky188ASLB-3W63om X-Yahoo-Profile: rsw00001 I assume you're referring to this page: http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/c_quam_am_stereo_transmitter_using_valves.= html It's a series of posts that I made as I worked through the details of desig= ning the 3 tube AM stereo transmitter. I later created the following web page summarizing the design: http://electronbunker.ca/AM_StereoXMTR.html The power output is quite low, and would fall under the FCC Part 15 rules, = though I don't have the test equipment to measure the exact power output. H= owever, with a 10 foot antenna, and operating in the upper part of the AM b= and, it puts out enough signal to have a range of about 500 feet, which eas= ily covers my house and yard. Regards, Bob W. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jim smith wrote: > > Hi Gang=A0=A0 Been a wile no post.=A0 The last fue posts where very neet.= =A0 I had found this post using Google "3 tube C-QuAM AM STEREO Tranmitter = using valves".=A0=A0 Its neet read. I > did not get every thing that=A0 he wrote but it was still neet. He made a= low watt trasmitter out of 3 tubes. He did not say how high of wattage he = was using. Again go to Google AM STEREO=A0 and then AM STEREO TRANSMITTER i= ts under that. I am glad to see every one is well and good.Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From acq@videotron.ca Tue Mar 19 13:01:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99385 invoked by uid 102); 19 Mar 2013 20:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2013 20:01:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29681 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2013 20:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.138) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2013 20:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 20:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2013 20:01:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:01:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.184 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: WIRY Stereo AM and WSM Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=ozyZ8WqdYF04zyr3eF9tBVeFCst4h8qdxpBsArIVGmRltN6erc1t2CI X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu > Our next big task is that WE are going to have to figure out how to get A= M stereo radios to the masses! > WSM listeners are going to need a viable option, as well as WIRY, CFCO an= d WNMB among others. Waiting for the Sony CFS 6000 boombox to arrive, I offered my friend DXer, = at this time more or less active, a Sony A300, it has a slightly narrow sou= nd, but still has more than decent sound. Also, if YOU need AM Stereo and have more than one radio (and live in a mar= ket where AMS is available like Putnam or Westerly or Plattsburg or even Mo= ntreal) don`t be shy and depart yourself from your AM stereos by giving the= m to friends or other acquintances and keep just ONE AM radio and maybe an = additionnal walkman for walking and health purposes. That`s my two cents worth ! Bogdan Chiochiu, now in Verdun From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 08:16:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21528 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2013 15:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2013 15:15:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.83) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2013 15:15:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 15:15:55 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 15:15:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:15:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.198.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.198.13 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: WIRY Stereo AM and WSM Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=BTfx1WRAW93T_95W2NvIQspQcrE4vwIWV_tMlL8D2f8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Well folks, the receiver's part is the most important one, if someone wants= to make an AM STEREO come back. It has to be someway to provide the listen= ers a choice of receivers that will decode AM Stereo, and will have to be a= lso FM stereo (comparison between AMS FMS is something that I would love to= have if I owned a station), it has to be cheap enough for someone to buy i= t without too much thought, and or even to be introduced to the market as a= n advertising - promo gudget from AMS stations itself! Probably a small por= table radio, just like the MP players, or even better AN MP3 player WITH AM= S receiver also! For start that would be something that could be feasible t= o do, and be accepted easily in the market! Probably could be supported as = "advertisment" cost of a big radio station... if it could agree to preorder= a large number of them. Say 1k pcs! That would make the bulk price for a s= mall portable radio, dorp to even less than 10$ !!! How that radio could be= done? Doesn't have to be based on the MC's ICs. those are hard to find and= cost almost more than half the bulk price I wrote.=20 There are DSP radio IC's that are capable to do AMS CQUAM decoding IF, ONLY= IF, the producer of them, accepts to add it at the firmware. Those ICs are= EXCELLENT radio recievers, proven on field, (they have worked even inside = GSM phones), they already have AM, FM bands, AND AS BONUS, they offer them = with also SW & LW!!!=20 Have tried already to contact the producer of them, and inform - ask them = about a possible add of CQUAM decoding. Still waiting, but I 'm not dissapo= inted yet (just 3 weeks now)! If they can do it, I might order 2-3K pcs of= them the next moment they say yes!!!=20 It;s not difficult for them to add it, since these chip radios, are DSP cor= es, with embedded IQ zero IF front end, so decoding a Quadruture signal is = a piece of cake at least from the hardware part. Since already they demodul= ate AM signals using the specific hardware, I think the code they need to a= dd to decode also AM stereo CQUAM signals, would not be rocket science for = their development engineers!!=20 At least I hope not... :)=20 I;ll keep you informed if they reply (or not) soon.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sam Quantum Leap" wrote: > > WIRY's AM Stereo generator is built right into their transmitter, and was= included on their BE xmitter at the time for no extra charge! > I believe their website has photos of their new studios as they just move= d a year or so ago, and I think they have photos posted at WIRY dot com. >=20 > Our next big task is that WE are going to have to figure out how to get A= M stereo radios to the masses! > WSM listeners are going to need a viable option, as well as WIRY, CFCO an= d WNMB among others.=20=20 > I wish we could get a boatload of HD radios cheap and reprogram them to c= ut the high filter to restore decent AM bandwidth for analog AM stations in= CQUAM. >=20 > Let's put our head together and see what we can do either with getting a = boatload of CQuam Sony from Japan, or if we have to homegrow our own at a m= ass production price, but quality will have to be there too. >=20 > Thinking caps on. >=20 > John >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > > > > On 3/15/2013 3:28 PM, bogdanchiochiu wrote: > > > According to one fellow on this group, one CAN visit them ANYTIME IF > > > planned. I think I should e-mail them quickly... Why not ? > > > > > > I wonder how many vinyl records do they have... > > > > > > May the good DX be with you ! > > > Bogdan Chiochiu > > > > >=20 > > Take some pictures while you're there and post them for us. Be sure to= =20 > > get one of the transmitter and stereo generator and possibly one of the= =20 > > tower too. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > > > From acq@videotron.ca Wed Mar 20 10:54:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24033 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2013 17:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2013 17:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.225) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2013 17:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 17:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 17:54:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:54:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.3 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: WIRY Stereo AM and WSM Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=uZHyjt6B2sEgznSL_bkd7AS0RgSWwXfY7VcvdwjfrNNFQrt1bmATCd0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > Well folks, the receiver's part is the most important one, if someone wan= ts to make an AM STEREO come back.=20 > There are DSP radio IC's that are capable to do AMS CQUAM decoding IF, ON= LY IF, the producer of them, accepts to add it at the firmware. Those ICs a= re EXCELLENT radio recievers, proven on field, (they have worked even insid= e GSM phones), they already have AM, FM bands, AND AS BONUS, they offer the= m with also SW & LW!!!=20 I`ve listened to the WNMB reording on this group using the DSP chip and it = is something that does not sound too wide for my ears. I believe it uses a = 3 kHz filter, but I must admit it is better than nothing, Cheers,=20 Bogdan Chiochiu in Verdun moving back to Pierrefonds the day after tomorrow From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 11:12:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92104 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2013 18:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2013 18:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.213) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2013 18:12:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 18:12:06 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 18:12:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:12:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.198.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.198.13 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: WIRY Stereo AM and WSM Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=JcdxJ-eTqrlqC-P5ey1QHmeAXFvOBif23sxMFJeG5E0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Not sure wich IC your radio had, since I have tested here on my lab as a pr= ototype board, and the one I;m refered to is more than excellent at AM band= . Of course it depends to the designer of the total system and the uCU firm= ware that someone will have to add (we do our own development of firmware f= or uCUs in house), to gain the maximum from whta is under the hood of those= ICs.=20 It's like working with the SAA7706H, where the system developer should choo= se what the IC will do or not. Probably the one you had, it was made by som= eone who decided to work it at narrow AM bandwidth, as I see it.=20 =20 For now I'm still waiting the answer from factory, if they will add CQUAm d= ecoding on their core firmware or not. If they add it then the bandwidth is= settable by the final system developer, thru SPI commands.=20 Will see about it soon... I hope!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > > > Well folks, the receiver's part is the most important one, if someone w= ants to make an AM STEREO come back.=20 >=20 > > There are DSP radio IC's that are capable to do AMS CQUAM decoding IF, = ONLY IF, the producer of them, accepts to add it at the firmware. Those ICs= are EXCELLENT radio recievers, proven on field, (they have worked even ins= ide GSM phones), they already have AM, FM bands, AND AS BONUS, they offer t= hem with also SW & LW!!!=20 >=20 > I`ve listened to the WNMB reording on this group using the DSP chip and i= t is something that does not sound too wide for my ears. I believe it uses = a 3 kHz filter, but I must admit it is better than nothing, >=20 > Cheers,=20 > Bogdan Chiochiu in Verdun moving back to Pierrefonds the day after tomorr= ow > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 20 11:42:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 220 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2013 18:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2013 18:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm20-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.236.29) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2013 18:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 18:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.98] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 18:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2013 18:42:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 67389.9740.bm@omp1003.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 34596 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2013 18:42:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RQ3BdowVM1lqAM0HYvAPo4vcUIlJzDUyERKMXmp9Oc.hIW4 kD4YDyXY1GlEOftOcJmyz1FKXVNaPc4BalPNwYdPBvYQk3eOBSt.JNmDJYrf yjZld4FZsMezSq2V7Ahqu2tdqhNvoXAU336Hbg5VbLggj0NLSWgJWP8lbW3W hSh1.wQLQXodfHhh_VxzXu7dQVV4NQqW_NjTYLN_3PXJcQQ80TefxnPfYs_e ABS1rLfGOom0FtQy8lgSII4.zkWwrIox1LMNcAFvS6uJm.GfxpF8VfCswkm. 99doPdOqixNfPwJHgMJRclrH7mcOfC4pO7eoVVcT5BzM.SeCiyBB7fJaR94V vy660wZJQbAWUti42BK.OL4WLtUvqcunWVzYx0BGynq7Gy5mdUsddUDSxWBG O23RB6w73hvhlCoKkO06gC_bCb4Mr7U_hz4T8vZgIhnDrRrchl4S1_Yjx5_3 zpciJtEMxic5W3Qx.KTlCfqx5Dhnq_4reWrH_xMGZ9tNeCg0E9pOGgqey4q1 6DKoL7C.FZ1kHGt9PwBOv79QRo5FZ7TfNg823refDWWinsJO22LFwjnLgrPE Px1LPsEYPEoZDrLBkFtGbes2qpFj16W6k_oKKVIAJ7awk6eRJ9aCi9cShKdw SIFZn_mCQ6_On_5XQvSlY4QvK2YUfOVX6KZSwRBi2D154RxkG14gCUgK_1JW 0a1Yx2RqRiAhG_uOyY6WJYAQG4S.E0SkSGUj02BidtthYuSQ0TMs3Av3JpPa udNW8oLP2WqNQ.Z0bxa.0rD8BhT7K2.PSzM8umC2J2Jd25YvVVxsvZ0CVXUn FgJfrYxQY6eaE55PPrdiJm2CwJ05eVSBbr3z9Fdeh9JYAQYBjgctTNFUJNDh L1myT9PJCMyfjEidUJv.B1ZO7CEjH70xkj4LJUIGmr1UH00hFP0JwnvqEpW4 om.P5_siJ87zuGnlNgPEG3xdvHEmpod.BODSOivGu73a1Ef.Z5E4JUI5WKFO EpCUPyejPX_dHFrBmvRCP29Oz8towY86MG1VCZbJlUiXYU13bdS0GXepJFLg IOjn9qFMIG24gjTRolsRXUwWajesh9wjD06nNd.KnJZ2yHrw1byNuxlQgS3u rkjz9g7ktn5VPxnzynFZ.iWddGsSTQ3TX5rYtUML6C.9BAj61WH5wJpSEhtw IA_teLUPwfVp2yhCn02w32ivEJ58Y3znxqaT1iN_i3epIiBCvsztejl0GXER ipyK94q35vBcYUc4Di9jEzeFJFeDqjLEfSqcY_OnUFJh4wHVD6EhFBg8Ek7q _3GmBQFpagh8V8zZspNkQr4.SWU4E4qWWXjfURVWnnT9EKOFlCd8PhT6Glic iNkT_.d_Ac7tGKWoaOFiEPPXq4rjBLXz049y9vhz7XRtf6J9kB7yi02Fx2Rz y024XBwQWjJ1hUq6Mw.jzRvRJje6maPJFGxe385y.pRPxPAmgEJPIRypRxWU i8Cx23BwoNS4Y12u2HgqJOSpEaO7AeJjjYMzORipMU5boR2ypUyx7zAti3FT 2YDYutRYff26OniIirmQhK3A9LuVHC_FxLlr6xErauLs6i3F8xvDJwt952sJ NO242_5XYI7rLxOePnFWQ0o8ZHRU3Z1ei98CMTaDfE0rbiBUvbMBxvJr4xOt STrfGM17NGFAPzuGlHBK4C4KaPS2Z3EMc_PZ61FM9l7PWq5WMtCGZ8gKSG5C nUBTwXgg73g77VbAt34nbd3.PzdEb2SZTgzszyR7CEM.xCXsBASEZptG5AAh bazxYqF3Iy9yTxBX4qu2PVcot4VP0gzJKu31rr65RYVXNL9.GeE2FxSscKAu THfDextv4MlNH.ve_8sLVNHIMb7WQPOL7SlNPsiZ_hvQtcXt2UoCWzvTgFQ8 ISAx7nDEdMOveaWyRNYlXmLzxPXaAJb4AwD8AwKwSgmnE9IrNCiLpQbLqA6g 5Eut3WTfdEA.y1BhJOPqbLKbWLa_SxeH99Ax5JJs8JqrUuEuexxv_18ZtkXc 2U8vUXnpTTQGo2RpVV4NSU3J6d5U5DSA9uC_toKlJfdTA1wwtCJJkU8KsWgr C2TJOdWayKeTy1xWUzBxRBpxA5qAZ4OsvGe76.yYboUmqXKHH0GoVZ2BUy2y zW81rADpSxSmA2hRC X-Received: from [137.164.231.201] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:42:21 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SGkgVGhhbmsgeW91IGl0IHdhc8KgIHZlcnkgbmVldCB0byByZWFkIGl0LsKgIEkgd2lzaCBpIGNvdWxkIGRvIHN0dWZmIGxpa2UgdGhhdCBidXQgYmVpbmcgdW5zY2hvb2xlZCBzdG9wcyBtZSBmcm9tIGRvaW5nIHN0dWZmIGxpa2UgdGhhdC4gQW5kIG1vbmV5LiBKaW0gU21pdGgNCg0KLS0tIE9uIE1vbiwgMy8xOC8xMywgcnN3MDAwMDEgPGVsZWN0cm9uYnVua2VyQHltYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCg0KRnJvbTogcnN3MDAwMDEgPGVsZWN0cm9uYnVua2VyQHltYWlsLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IHtBTVNGfSABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.138.524 Message-ID: <1363804941.8279.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:42:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim dale smith In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.94.236.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3 tube C-QuAM AM STEREO Transmitter using valves X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=73UHqSF7S_FhqxBuH3U8t_31xFJToACrE67kLT6rMNmNUsZuF51f0yU-ItIVabkjVZPD5Jcc X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thank you it was=C2=A0 very neet to read it.=C2=A0 I wish i could do stu= ff like that but being unschooled stops me from doing stuff like that. And = money. Jim Smith --- On Mon, 3/18/13, rsw00001 wrote: From: rsw00001 Subject: {AMSF} Re: 3 tube C-QuAM AM STEREO Transmitter using valves To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 18, 2013, 9:28 PM =C2=A0=20 I assume you're referring to this page: http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/c_quam_am_stereo_transmitter_using_valves.= html It's a series of posts that I made as I worked through the details of desig= ning the 3 tube AM stereo transmitter. I later created the following web page summarizing the design: http://electronbunker.ca/AM_StereoXMTR.html The power output is quite low, and would fall under the FCC Part 15 rules, = though I don't have the test equipment to measure the exact power output. H= owever, with a 10 foot antenna, and operating in the upper part of the AM b= and, it puts out enough signal to have a range of about 500 feet, which eas= ily covers my house and yard. Regards, Bob W. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jim smith wrote: > > Hi Gang=C2=A0=C2=A0 Been a wile no post.=C2=A0 The last fue posts where v= ery neet.=C2=A0 I had found this post using Google "3 tube C-QuAM AM STEREO= Tranmitter using valves".=C2=A0=C2=A0 Its neet read. I > did not get every thing that=C2=A0 he wrote but it was still neet. He mad= e a low watt trasmitter out of 3 tubes. He did not say how high of wattage = he was using. Again go to Google AM STEREO=C2=A0 and then AM STEREO TRANSMI= TTER its under that. I am glad to see every one is well and good.Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Mar 20 19:24:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21345 invoked by uid 102); 21 Mar 2013 02:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 02:24:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29313 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2013 02:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.116.48) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 02:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP152 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:24:38 -0700 X-EIP: [Pzem9ysLMV+TJqN7P7LnDuGckoZPHeaF] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP152.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:24:37 -0700 To: , Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:24:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2013 02:24:37.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BED5C40:01CE25DB] X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: i am looking for an inovonics 235 - trade telos AA enc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=aKesO9x4GtuXD2bqCN6mEnt2dTwWOr_2a4KqSSrA-pqy X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i am looking for an inovonics 235. the 235 is a wideband agc, triband compressor limiter, final nrsc asymmetrical limiter all in one small 1RU size box. i have a telos audio active mpeg 2 layer 3 stand alone hardware based real time stereo / mono audio streaming encoder to trade. manual is here http://telos-systems.com/support/manuals/audioactive-mpeg-encoder-manual.pdf From acq@videotron.ca Thu Mar 21 10:58:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5256 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2013 17:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2013 17:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.18) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 17:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 17:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 17:58:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:58:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.185 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: WINY 1350 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=cUzXs3EjZhJoks6VvSlQOWcE0RSuseBn5VinYkZBtS30BdxKyJQHmtw X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu This is their REGULAR ID with not a single mention of stereo... Just as wit= h the FORMER KCJJ, WINY use of C-QUAM in Putnam sounds like the world`s bes= t kept secret. I listen to them sometimes on the Net and very occasionally = via pre-sunset or post-sunrise skywave to no avail. I guess I must contact the station because they are one of the few real Adu= lt Contemorary stations AM-FM left in ANY market, now with the Illuminati J= ay-Z rappers and all that Top 40 nausea music. This prooves once again how = much AM Stereo could, under ideal conditions, be a serious competitor to FM= stereo not only because on good processed stations it sounds slightly bett= er than FM (CD quality) when local BUT ALSO because of the programming. Why= I DO enjoy NEW COUNTRY, the western old-school COWBOY flavor of OLD WESTER= N music or CLASSIC COUNTRY is giving me nausea, unlike bluegrass, the above= -mentioned new country, disco, motown, progressive rock, etc. For me, it is= sometimes hard to keep with WIRY, because they`re so eclectic, and this is= WHEN hearing WIRY for a few dozens of minutes each twilight moment of day = is helpful. However, I`m scared they might turn off the stereo pilot in a f= ew weeks or months because they seem still proud but have a tiny bit forgot= ten the benefits of AM ST. In my case, WINY certainly plays good music, definitively better than the f= ormer KCJJ, more Youth oriented than WIRY and with a more polished sound th= an KCJJ. I`m not able to DX right now, because in Verdun there is noises and outside= where condx are perfect there is huge snow, but I will contact WINY tomorr= ow. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Thu Mar 21 11:26:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14484 invoked by uid 102); 21 Mar 2013 18:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 18:26:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11930 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2013 18:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.153) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 18:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 18:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 18:26:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:26:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.185 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: AM music vs FM music...IDEALLY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=Xvedlth4flhk2JX13fYvmmZscOGX0_ZO-LlTbxpWxhtx_tdhZ1718fE X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Let`s start a new more interactive thread. We all know FM sounds more natur= al but unfortunatly also too precise, too cold and not enough crispy. AM so= unds less natural for music, but much warmer with slightly distorted and th= erefore full of punch in the highs and better bass response and a slight lo= ss on the mids while FM has VERY SLIGHTLY BETTER mid frequency curvature. W= ith this in mind, using the Motorola C-Quam technology I found the followin= g types of music to sound better: Progressive rock / Classic Rock: from the very few songs I actually heard o= n WIRY, it sounds fresher than on CHOM 97.7 70`s Disco: Unlike modern dance music, this type of dance music is the only= type using soft and rhythmic drums along with organic and natural instrume= nts (sax, violins, guitar, early synths, etc.) bluegrass: The melancoholic of this traditionnal music style when compared = to ugly western (even though both are a tiny bit related) sounds more atmos= pheric and desertic and bluesy in AM Stereo. Imagine yourself in the Arizon= a desert with bluegrass in your ears ! Adult R&b: see 70s disco for more details... Adult Contemporary / Light Rock: it is great to hear the songs you know lik= e I Need Somebody by Brian Adams in AMS with less emphasis on the mid and m= ore bass and treble response, so great you won`t want to hear it in FM ster= eo or AM mono the next time, oh, never ! Adult Standards: it would depend, but I would say AM stereo has the edge as= it would bring new life and new sound to songs you are already sick of, be= cause they are standards, such as Unchain Melody. Indie rock / Contemporary alternative (excluding metal and heavy rock, i.e.= : Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, Tool, Air, etc.): it gives more energy to t= he electric guitar especially when you hear the electric guitar slightly mi= xing with the heterodyne of another broadcaster 10 kHz above or below. Acid Jazz: it gives more colour to this SLIGHTLY disrtorted contemporary fo= rm of jazz. Tropical music (salsa, cumbia, zouk, reggae, kompas, etc.): It has been don= e before, even though noone of the trop. mx. stations that broadcast using = the C-QUAM technologie are within my QTHs, so why not ? From an objective perspective FM still has it`s edge on: Eurodance and Latin Freestyle: the bassy sound of AM because of higher freq= uency response in that frequency range would still make that music sound qu= ite good, but bothersome after a while. On FM, it would sound better, more = natural since it is already noisy. Metal (incl. Viking, black, death, speed, gothic, doom, industrial and heav= y subgenres): so noisy, it is alost useless to broadcast ANY of it on AM. O= n FM, though, from having listened a fair amount of metal bands (Static X, = Metallica, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Blind Guardian, Cruachan, Windir, Vin= tersorg, Finntroll, Nightwish, Evanescence, etc.) with the right level of c= ompression, some of the metallic noise could be reduced. However, the only = types of Metal songs I would like to try to play on the mediumwave Motorola= C-Quam system would be songs like Nothing Else Matters from Metallica`s 19= 91 Blacl album or Ensiferum with Eternal Wait, because of the very few grow= ls and they have mostly very quiet passages. Classical music (Tchaikovski et al): I believe it would sound as well on FM= than on AM, or maybe slightly better in wide AM stereo. The sound of class= ic harp relaxing music in AM stereo would be particularly impressive, while= the heavy violin, already noisy here on the FM 88-108 broadcast band would= be very heavy on mediumwave for all but a few curious minds. Thanks for replying to this thread, as your comments are a blessing to my r= eactivation as both a DXer and an AM Stereo supporter ! Warm greetings ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 11:49:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88818 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2013 18:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2013 18:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.18) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 18:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 18:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 18:49:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:49:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 181.163.180.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 181.163.180.160 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: AM music vs FM music...IDEALLY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HQFUdVOjb2iVOiV-4qBDhRZKk-mbztR0HUhz89PwfRhkG8NkOA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I think any kind of music would sound better with Amplitud Modulation becau= se the system is more simple than Frecuency Modulation. From the technical point of view, there is no any reason to get any kind of= difference between the audio from the AM and FM systems. An outstanding AM TX compared with an oustanding FM TX should sound equal i= f the AM laws allow the same audio bandwidth to both (the only one final di= fference, at long distance DX, would be the background noise). The great problem here isn't the kind of modulation itself. The very great = problem here is THE GREAT difference about the quality of the receivers/tun= ers. In my country we can get, at reasonable prices, very good FM tuners BUT WE = DON'T HAVE GOOD AM TUNERS HERE (with some few very expensive exceptions). That's the big problem here and I guess it is the same in USA, Canada, Mexi= co, Central and South America, Europe, Asia, Australia, etc. etc. etc. etc. SO... It doesn't matter the music program you have on the air if the listen= ers don't have a good AM tuner in their hands. I bet you you can get a very good vacuum tubes AM tuner from the 1950's and= you can get a wonderful sound from it. Even more, I think you can convert = it to C-QUAM AM Stereo with a few dollars more. The question is: WHO CAN CONVINCE/PERSUADE THE AM TUNER MAKERS TO MAKE AND = SELL GOOD C-QUAM AM STEREO TUNERS HERE AND NOW? ??? Some idea? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, witha lot of hope and love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > Let`s start a new more interactive thread. We all know FM sounds more nat= ural but unfortunatly also too precise, too cold and not enough crispy. AM = sounds less natural for music, but much warmer with slightly distorted and = therefore full of punch in the highs and better bass response and a slight = loss on the mids while FM has VERY SLIGHTLY BETTER mid frequency curvature.= With this in mind, using the Motorola C-Quam technology I found the follow= ing types of music to sound better: >=20 > Progressive rock / Classic Rock: from the very few songs I actually heard= on WIRY, it sounds fresher than on CHOM 97.7 >=20 > 70`s Disco: Unlike modern dance music, this type of dance music is the on= ly type using soft and rhythmic drums along with organic and natural instru= ments (sax, violins, guitar, early synths, etc.) >=20 > bluegrass: The melancoholic of this traditionnal music style when compare= d to ugly western (even though both are a tiny bit related) sounds more atm= ospheric and desertic and bluesy in AM Stereo. Imagine yourself in the Ariz= ona desert with bluegrass in your ears ! >=20 > Adult R&b: see 70s disco for more details... >=20 > Adult Contemporary / Light Rock: it is great to hear the songs you know l= ike I Need Somebody by Brian Adams in AMS with less emphasis on the mid and= more bass and treble response, so great you won`t want to hear it in FM st= ereo or AM mono the next time, oh, never ! >=20 > Adult Standards: it would depend, but I would say AM stereo has the edge = as it would bring new life and new sound to songs you are already sick of, = because they are standards, such as Unchain Melody. >=20 > Indie rock / Contemporary alternative (excluding metal and heavy rock, i.= e.: Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, Tool, Air, etc.): it gives more energy to= the electric guitar especially when you hear the electric guitar slightly = mixing with the heterodyne of another broadcaster 10 kHz above or below. >=20 > Acid Jazz: it gives more colour to this SLIGHTLY disrtorted contemporary = form of jazz. >=20 > Tropical music (salsa, cumbia, zouk, reggae, kompas, etc.): It has been d= one before, even though noone of the trop. mx. stations that broadcast usin= g the C-QUAM technologie are within my QTHs, so why not ? >=20 > From an objective perspective FM still has it`s edge on: >=20 > Eurodance and Latin Freestyle: the bassy sound of AM because of higher fr= equency response in that frequency range would still make that music sound = quite good, but bothersome after a while. On FM, it would sound better, mor= e natural since it is already noisy. >=20 > Metal (incl. Viking, black, death, speed, gothic, doom, industrial and he= avy subgenres): so noisy, it is alost useless to broadcast ANY of it on AM.= On FM, though, from having listened a fair amount of metal bands (Static X= , Metallica, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Blind Guardian, Cruachan, Windir, V= intersorg, Finntroll, Nightwish, Evanescence, etc.) with the right level of= compression, some of the metallic noise could be reduced. However, the onl= y types of Metal songs I would like to try to play on the mediumwave Motoro= la C-Quam system would be songs like Nothing Else Matters from Metallica`s = 1991 Blacl album or Ensiferum with Eternal Wait, because of the very few gr= owls and they have mostly very quiet passages. >=20 > Classical music (Tchaikovski et al): I believe it would sound as well on = FM than on AM, or maybe slightly better in wide AM stereo. The sound of cla= ssic harp relaxing music in AM stereo would be particularly impressive, whi= le the heavy violin, already noisy here on the FM 88-108 broadcast band wou= ld be very heavy on mediumwave for all but a few curious minds. >=20 >=20 > Thanks for replying to this thread, as your comments are a blessing to my= reactivation as both a DXer and an AM Stereo supporter ! > Warm greetings ! > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > From radio774@yahoo.se Thu Mar 21 13:39:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42878 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2013 20:39:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2013 20:39:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.69) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 20:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.105.246] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 20:39:17 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.98.103] by tm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 20:39:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 20:39:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 394836.70153.bm@omp1040.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 28816 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Mar 2013 20:39:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YQUTPtQVM1nIKT2sLg4ydBW9oXEAZsDm.VNRhIYvuKVTMDC MxMxkKxNYuMhpJ9Pq7a0vuII0LgxoCRj9MYP7OtvduL2LLZbRdLlUufz7G3K zZQJG_N5rouQ91DfBmM5e8iRe.vZaWA44Uq6.d8NDeud3sEcUNhiw1VEzEXB d1J4xxWMQTM2D0yAd7eASCmkThtvXV0YrKSsocfyXYk1pWg7CZ3BIgiIVqq3 7xqToh8i9Mg2YpVb.098TzvfgvHatnfN..5czDO_drH9p.sOZRGQasOj6UCv sIRX0W32N3kDn0PT6E.5JAe5p3laCo4aBfFxY_2ZFN7NrfIqamic1iwt.d4i kNhPd9kApR7iSqrs7Dm_z970IQeFVYCU.zg.VBYyU4r.wCfLogOTPysiDdKi oVPk9gk5s51kJcBzLu.sMEmGdhZGwJMf.Swyr_zdFFoeIszNyDc3MNB30U36 oQUjouDjJvEBy1ZOA8rQzzUGy_IjH5htOBPEfzmVRVJguUr35BYdqd39.Klg ae3J_OH5JT0LBx4.ofptLjC5GsQ23uRyOjxnsuV_ItGmewpkzXHgta20SbO7 LUDQo_fW5FRhlcmMN_AmjbJ1zSyyr6lDCl1nr9uu28MJcahwPnnAR4QsiuMT 910puzxGXpCgMbpwXsDpSlySUXGW8pgUN3JhEvmrKoJKlSE_TlIjufnn3YXv YL_4gf57opCVUXB7T88JcoeGomUZteKkqNMzQzb7yVOmKjirL615hgRspTx4 AWT92Bj0VgEG81dWEKQnQefUKKYSxreL1yQGRBgml9P7Ua0cwGjkNF2O9Q1m ajHjsZAv6wcOo_SpNbzkidxcR6ZbKsVmRdG9WEMoAoR7_QqnG422VoLmABpr Muyox2uveAnoQuZ.ItP0Sr_s3DjagbpU.fg0DZ9G0qTcajuj8xBbmYNog4Zu GM6OMMeHYtuajwjiAYm8OazVG5WLrdOUl3lRtwQV6IeFcnsYmrGIxcbAG89I 7mfYyEWDYoizo3BpRLIhDO0_lnFd34BwQPEYRIB8EwcZX0IJRn.Dvn55.Z4x 3qipvWKhpveiwLw9BKkixTSegc5SCe3j1.bhtAdfVDciq7osVisQ6AR5aVkv UlJicVYhVCfoB6aZabC4.xHCPQFK5dGS152SApQAvPaXwlIKA4fGkqCLEZ18 0g58TY4pLWMtr1lKoFT0kcvSQWh5BowZ2_nQMGwkbmwc1bR9QkSyetLlzs.h d3ruPGaOr.Ree82NtTveKbx39AW4XiRoHarL2e2lJdJv1IAJZGvPZly3dV8F Rfd_sjhrW2gM65qjxB.r57M60Wj45OmRbJKOyUZOLA1S1DS4asXlAbdayMqx uIc1a9nK2sjV7K.Izyybi2_vGIxtOXWC8uee2DJ31IfXuokOBQhG3Vo35WAF EUznek3F3SuDtOO4ATjdtL0NCYGiO0oaasftm6KCAdkZngT6G3eUcYgEgOcU rLcu9WOV_EDMP94um12YHMwUFXnl3.5RrIKyOAEWqE0bMJNGuDu4dOtY5w8H uJKnfQZf.WzARWK3YEL7a6dEJL4pNKMsOOWWD7cB.OQZixVTRyGl4YV.gXqE tMcuaQeu2dGQ0wLmO00iQamkNwDqpHZCfH49xAM6G2JB_9ADt6ZHHsF_OXs8 E9K5Gt40Bula9bEs5zNsi9e8AKpk8vNfNYyIO_Ub2Ej5wYtCRwuzMWdEzYhR CvNuols2H.zoFOwCf8H9FTg5pqQE4q683pB8z3RSTvjxyWK3faG6dNqXehTe cfuXszD98TeBEVQyXEk6SQcR.pGbO63kLRkC2E7lhnCGrMgrzAmq6L7Ptlg- - X-Received: from [46.195.25.117] by web133204.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:39:16 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,VmVyeSBzaW1wbGUsIG5vdGhpbmcgY2FuIHJlcGxhY2UgQU1TdGVyZW8uIFRoZSBiZXN0IHNvdW5kIG9mIGFsbCBzb3VuZHMgaW4gdGhlIGFpci4KCgpCZXN0cyBmcm9tClJveSBTYW5kZ3JlbgpCb3ggMTQwMDYKU2UtMjAwMjQgTWFsbW8KU1dFREVOwqDCoMKgwqDCoCB3d3cucmFkaW9zeWQuZXUKCkZyw6VuOiBib2dkYW5jaGlvY2hpdSA8YWNxQHZpZGVvdHJvbi5jYT4KVGlsbDogYW1zdGVyZW9mb3J1bUB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20gClNraWNrYXQ6IHRvcnNkYWcsIDIxIG1hcnMgMjAxMyAxOToyNgrDhG1uZToBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.138.524 References: Message-ID: <1363898356.24474.YahooMailNeo@web133204.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:39:16 +0000 (GMT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} AM music vs FM music...IDEALLY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=JCtIZtYfHkT_a6MO4X3jBIN1wG8wuuvOTOdRL8IIXBaEWJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very simple, nothing can replace AMStereo. The best sound of all sounds in = the air. Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu Fr=C3=A5n: bogdanchiochiu Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: torsdag, 21 mars 2013 19:26 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} AM music vs FM music...IDEALLY =C2=A0=20 Let`s start a new more interactive thread. We all know FM sounds more natur= al but unfortunatly also too precise, too cold and not enough crispy. AM so= unds less natural for music, but much warmer with slightly distorted and th= erefore full of punch in the highs and better bass response and a slight lo= ss on the mids while FM has VERY SLIGHTLY BETTER mid frequency curvature. W= ith this in mind, using the Motorola C-Quam technology I found the followin= g types of music to sound better: Progressive rock / Classic Rock: from the very few songs I actually heard o= n WIRY, it sounds fresher than on CHOM 97.7 70`s Disco: Unlike modern dance music, this type of dance music is the only= type using soft and rhythmic drums along with organic and natural instrume= nts (sax, violins, guitar, early synths, etc.) bluegrass: The melancoholic of this traditionnal music style when compared = to ugly western (even though both are a tiny bit related) sounds more atmos= pheric and desertic and bluesy in AM Stereo. Imagine yourself in the Arizon= a desert with bluegrass in your ears ! Adult R&b: see 70s disco for more details... Adult Contemporary / Light Rock: it is great to hear the songs you know lik= e I Need Somebody by Brian Adams in AMS with less emphasis on the mid and m= ore bass and treble response, so great you won`t want to hear it in FM ster= eo or AM mono the next time, oh, never ! Adult Standards: it would depend, but I would say AM stereo has the edge as= it would bring new life and new sound to songs you are already sick of, be= cause they are standards, such as Unchain Melody. Indie rock / Contemporary alternative (excluding metal and heavy rock, i.e.= : Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, Tool, Air, etc.): it gives more energy to t= he electric guitar especially when you hear the electric guitar slightly mi= xing with the heterodyne of another broadcaster 10 kHz above or below. Acid Jazz: it gives more colour to this SLIGHTLY disrtorted contemporary fo= rm of jazz. Tropical music (salsa, cumbia, zouk, reggae, kompas, etc.): It has been don= e before, even though noone of the trop. mx. stations that broadcast using = the C-QUAM technologie are within my QTHs, so why not ? From an objective perspective FM still has it`s edge on: Eurodance and Latin Freestyle: the bassy sound of AM because of higher freq= uency response in that frequency range would still make that music sound qu= ite good, but bothersome after a while. On FM, it would sound better, more = natural since it is already noisy. Metal (incl. Viking, black, death, speed, gothic, doom, industrial and heav= y subgenres): so noisy, it is alost useless to broadcast ANY of it on AM. O= n FM, though, from having listened a fair amount of metal bands (Static X, = Metallica, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Blind Guardian, Cruachan, Windir, Vin= tersorg, Finntroll, Nightwish, Evanescence, etc.) with the right level of c= ompression, some of the metallic noise could be reduced. However, the only = types of Metal songs I would like to try to play on the mediumwave Motorola= C-Quam system would be songs like Nothing Else Matters from Metallica`s 19= 91 Blacl album or Ensiferum with Eternal Wait, because of the very few grow= ls and they have mostly very quiet passages. Classical music (Tchaikovski et al): I believe it would sound as well on FM= than on AM, or maybe slightly better in wide AM stereo. The sound of class= ic harp relaxing music in AM stereo would be particularly impressive, while= the heavy violin, already noisy here on the FM 88-108 broadcast band would= be very heavy on mediumwave for all but a few curious minds. Thanks for replying to this thread, as your comments are a blessing to my r= eactivation as both a DXer and an AM Stereo supporter ! Warm greetings ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 14:19:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73348 invoked by uid 102); 21 Mar 2013 21:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 21:19:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2579 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2013 21:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.144) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 21:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 21:19:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.251] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 21:19:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 21:19:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 827276.63195.bm@omp1043.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 52829 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Mar 2013 21:19:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kzGL7P0VM1k8uz4krPfBXbs3czJFpyAwlaNkCxNLex9FJj0 FMHEW2GrNnCBjxdd.sU2DjlPNVb3yznDBRJMDHij26vrgFJkS0XuN8pvsOTC SR.Ny639h2QXguOkZd2UUUyb3oGN9bdf81_Z3GTqZqu0PG22LI_NeO3fEcj7 s7PAUU4at_RSeUdFPRe6COFukkin.MOcgqwyyRDFQTKlo7F4gCpozlM9B4IE wqW7Fpx8PamGa961EqI3As0tKdM0x1A7hggKygUcdmn19LVbKelsaaQAQYgz hL2484nPGvcb3UAv1n1FHXQKrOrpR2Z_cLCrPFpHjRcY0Cl3EEq7Qaft11hV QpzCbTlN02dqq1ffO4DrGzqPayCj0gthcJ8KFTbXWum_UJTlV0jxkt.wxGC9 qPWFHgziZG4c7MU1kVudp51XBxFysd0UtUFjFoAOhNxp6l1DT5mKyuUySXe7 T19YN3zkyWE7f9VEDUXRbmJfMnmUxUOKvoCFw0Vi5aDPCRYtOwJ4Ye89NE8d ZJjZcGeD1MlBB6fMrqdAQfYmXPFbJ_69jV4e0gFLzj7sivp0CowrV.KyetHD BXiro.2mk_OXvMWQhQ0Vg7ATi11ABxAgjPg9_wnwj4itzcJlaWvHO22V7kAT AnQh9__HlNgceZ4nPo8m78SwHO4P7vwo.VZ.UUUSxsRx.q3uNb6.ujrKSvvI 91hVZsRkwDw5zeECcVlz.McWv5T4BJtsS0ijA.jVAh6AsTHTChTCApLvpJeU Lnqa8ej0EAGMbEvlHH4qBeZt3qZm.p8rfIFFWtaJsrqgtXlEzh6BvemS3wQG gqCD9HjhWiflF1w_zasCZ7TS1fVPZGT6KJKVhqQ6zFHSER8W0iTJ3f3fzcAH Ih7SXxjTHhdyQctEI_IdEkUllw0So8C5otUtx3baCGVjMX1vOWJVrFEKW4W5 VoXLFOUjquYzdda6PAYsTMpxBjEqO45ssG60.Ym4Lbj0RJCisx7jx9egi8ji OrxUIfilex_JFMdgDItG8.C5jqBhcA89.wQEXWlKTZKX3.h1pOGxQNXe5G3f _UEqPyAVsg7rRtf04TZmey3HplGAgKFoEedVTEcFGoopYXRDZASAM2lXiYmf hWOOHtY7aIVEOVZ_jdZAxZYiaKXZMl9aUlAQzIExPHlFDxbF0d5LL8nceYg8 NqbQ4x7MdVcvbw8ROgC1VqvyBKsPntyv0Tb1RZEeVARiMgOMloIa.LBc_poW EvDn.znTdhCGP8RWZ332_uuzUiqJxDZxBnA6FWgpvE3zlvQmW2J6kbNq0UTC J9jYjjfX_KNGi62FkiGT2q.LIhlzDeAokroeR65xp9cwAqM9Q52Sqt_DgLTl eP8aXNASUy8dVj2Ik1PIi3dL.V6g64is6dod1cc8AhsK_Q_ukT4ygpCbHlzo 3a4aqmX7KETQxcc.Wx4tDh0RyfYfmCrDGhrY9u04lAcwlk4IqpasJcwCz9A4 9W19rKSAJ9bRjQOzUKARG6q4gfM0KZ6lPQynmEVxxXfZTtVmWtUdpwNhDzW3 e2oMVyzQXLPESEFdioRVapozkudkIDFwx3UZJTxzKo8m1AP_ABh8BW2mIvF1 Kk7x5Koze.bjG.JmIpK.2Px0PVmqBNRFe29a1.oupDj8Inl2VL.vH7dWXKJG _hG2JFUTQhMG9JruFLjKRjgC92NkryxwkUXwY9E5M_Xw2m1HhN.AeC3dfErD ut.oZfqPbf1ZyK.6EhuLlfVfE72CwF55KhYy0EgV6MY6W85V..lhWc6eEDys x4LPO2BPjsK3WvnkCe0h6WU9tjKnc2TX5RnRh9jg5YgaQDHbKSZ2FMjbAMf. 1ySqVcAwaIdPrzvw- X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:19:17 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SSdsbCBoYXZlIHRvIGRpZyBvdXQgbXkgQS5NLiBTdC4gcmVjZWl2ZXIgJiBjaGVjayBpdCBpbiBFYXN0IFByb3ZpZGVuY2UgYnV0IEkgZG9uJ3QgZXZlciByZW1lbWJlciBtdWNoIHNlcGFyYXRpb24gYmVpbmcgaGVhcmQgaW4gRS5QLiAoYWJvdXQgMzAgbWkuIGVhc3QpLg0KDQotLS0gT24gVGh1LCAzLzIxLzEzLCBib2dkYW5jaGlvY2hpdSA8YWNxQHZpZGVvdHJvbi5jYT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCkZyb206IGJvZ2RhbmNoaW9jaGl1IDxhY3FAdmlkZW90cm9uLmNhPg0KU3ViamVjdDoge0FNU0Z9IFdJTlkgMTM1MCABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.138.524 Message-ID: <1363900757.50942.YahooMailClassic@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:19:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} WINY 1350 AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=l4JLdDfFpXMfMPYWPsYpu0bUK8cVnExEf_9bdnBacFf1EddpyzSi X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll have to dig out my A.M. St. receiver & check it in East Providence but= I don't ever remember much separation being heard in E.P. (about 30 mi. ea= st). --- On Thu, 3/21/13, bogdanchiochiu wrote: From: bogdanchiochiu Subject: {AMSF} WINY 1350 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 21, 2013, 1:58 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 This is their REGULAR ID with not a single mention of stereo... Just = as with the FORMER KCJJ, WINY use of C-QUAM in Putnam sounds like the world= `s best kept secret. I listen to them sometimes on the Net and very occasio= nally via pre-sunset or post-sunrise skywave to no avail. I guess I must contact the station because they are one of the few real Adu= lt Contemorary stations AM-FM left in ANY market, now with the Illuminati J= ay-Z rappers and all that Top 40 nausea music. This prooves once again how = much AM Stereo could, under ideal conditions, be a serious competitor to FM= stereo not only because on good processed stations it sounds slightly bett= er than FM (CD quality) when local BUT ALSO because of the programming. Why= I DO enjoy NEW COUNTRY, the western old-school COWBOY flavor of OLD WESTER= N music or CLASSIC COUNTRY is giving me nausea, unlike bluegrass, the above= -mentioned new country, disco, motown, progressive rock, etc. For me, it is= sometimes hard to keep with WIRY, because they`re so eclectic, and this is= WHEN hearing WIRY for a few dozens of minutes each twilight moment of day = is helpful. However, I`m scared they might turn off the stereo pilot in a f= ew weeks or months because they seem still proud but have a tiny bit forgotten the benefits of AM ST. In my case, WINY certainly plays good music, definitively better than the f= ormer KCJJ, more Youth oriented than WIRY and with a more polished sound th= an KCJJ. I`m not able to DX right now, because in Verdun there is noises and outside= where condx are perfect there is huge snow, but I will contact WINY tomorr= ow. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 21 16:44:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64715 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2013 23:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2013 23:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-00.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.150) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 23:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130321184420101371000011> for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:44:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <514B9B4F.7020406@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:44:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:44:20 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130321-2, 03/21/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shortwave AM Stereo XFM pirate X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YrAu8nj3p53rIM-xexBpFyFTGZoYpTf3Hnh_hg4Cib4Tw5WxotyY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/18/2013 10:35 AM, bogdanchiochiu wrote: > > > Scott Todd wrote: > What about introducing a stereo converter to an existing monaural AM > Shortwave receiver ? Do I have just to purchase a Motorola converter > from one of you fellows, then installation is easy or would I need help > from someone with more experience than me ? > > Jeff Deck makes an add-on stereo converter board. If you were to put that on an AM-SW radio you could get stereo on all bands. I had suggested eBay as an option to buy a boombox that's in better shape whether it has stereo or not. Then you could add one of these boards for stereo. Scott From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 21 17:17:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63557 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2013 00:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2013 00:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-00.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.150) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 00:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130321191643100660900011> for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:16:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <514BA2E5.2050405@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:16:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:16:43 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130321-2, 03/21/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY Stereo AM and WSM Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ffwF2WB7jesFZw6gMKWc-uovEaK603Fh0jNa8qOt8qt3HCP2ezJa X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/18/2013 1:51 PM, Sam Quantum Leap wrote: > I wish we could get a boatload of HD radios cheap and reprogram them to > cut the high filter to restore decent AM bandwidth for analog AM > stations in CQUAM. One of the chips in any HD radio is part ROM. What the radio is programmed to receive is pretty much based on the programming flashed onto it. We'd have to likely buy a great quantity of radios to get them with specially flashed chips, however. I'm talking in the tens if not hundreds of thousands. Otherwise we'd be looking at getting a large number of raw ICs, get them programmed the way we want, then offer a service to upgrade radios with our chips. Tools for this would would be a few thousand at least, not to mention having to stock who knows how many different chip types. I think our least expensive option is the radios Roy is offering and they're already available. Someone would have to buy a distributor quantity, but that should still be cheaper than dealing with custom radios or even chips. Existing stereo stations would have to cooperate with us in promotions to make it work, though. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 21 17:21:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26254 invoked by uid 102); 22 Mar 2013 00:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 00:21:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3756 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2013 00:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 00:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130321192047100961000011> for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:20:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <514BA3D9.3010602@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:20:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:20:47 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130321-2, 03/21/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} WSM Radios - one option X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=dWjo8MVkwjep_AkQ1QmN7y64NDnXof2thTIWvHWGYmepnLDva2n4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/18/2013 1:53 PM, Sam Quantum Leap wrote: > How about CCrane working with us to produce a model based on the Chris > Cuff prototype under development? Same with the Meduci Michigan tuners - > perhaps some deal we can strike with CCrane? Both would be a good idea. I'd do it myself but I'm on the road most of the week. Would you be interested in contacting them to see what it would take to make these consumer-ready production models? You'll also have to work with Chris and Jeff if the door at CCrane is open even a crack for this project. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 21 17:24:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32557 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2013 00:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2013 00:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 00:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130321192422101298000011> for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:24:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <514BA4B0.7050309@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:24:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:24:22 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130321-2, 03/21/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WSM Radios - one option X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=aSFFITjE5FmbXIP95CE51S8PDg6s7irkrF7k6YRI3DGCTsno4unw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/18/2013 5:11 PM, bogdanchiochiu wrote: > That`s a neat idea, especially if CCrane could produce a multiband MW-SW > radio. That`s my two cents worth of it. > We should ask if the radio could be built with an on board jumper so those who want stereo capability on all bands could have it. As sold it would come with stereo SW defeated. To activate just move the jumper off one of the pins. Scott From toddroberts2001@aol.com Thu Mar 21 17:26:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86440 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2013 00:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2013 00:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 00:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 681C01C0000EC for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.10]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3CADBE000081 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <19513.9c17677.3e7cff2d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435626208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b514ba52d129b X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shortwave AM Stereo XFM pirate X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=Ilf1d-G9HIvhQ7GtGvtME4ZPXA_Bhq-ugt9hZYxGVQN-aySzlbmc X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 The Japan Radio Co. NRD-545 DSP tabletop shortwave radio receiver does have a built-in AM Stereo Motorola C-QuAM decoder. It is the only SW radio receiver that I know of that includes AM Stereo. Of course it fully covers the medium wave band also. Only problem is the NRD-545 DSP was discontinued back in 2008 so you would have to find one on the used market. It was considered a premium tabletop sw receiver so a good used one would probably bring a price of $500-$600 or higher. I have not been following what the current used prices are for one. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Thu Mar 21 17:37:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72976 invoked by uid 102); 22 Mar 2013 00:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 00:37:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14425 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2013 00:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.178) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 00:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 00:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.246] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 00:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 00:37:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 84480.57499.bm@omp1055.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 34188 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2013 00:37:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: J.xxXfAVM1mw_fQCkMyX3nc5newImborORVYbNdIflKPRRo S0iAHDIzdvWQR.iiQZGEO0oFujTTV7G3v_wKPzgkASzpTn7lCs9IeBcTGIoh 99lffvV8m8Y7qAfuRoh2ZtWmj3uPhgZ29z2WjoZgP6z4pTVp3egJpMUaLjpR u_o.YV2hKg6ArKkBry5CaoEjz5onhwcMhiRCeMzonJRfinHoOlYIfKz8LpsC ponQySqMWRPmW5fR1mkFjmK5nT52iK_zKFquMz6Y2zpEKzfUNP7Ef22kzpwL YKIzOr._nlxL5ZSVxJgkjtKrDFpd0P3ScVzFSaxLlsiBVZY9cd_iAs86qfko FmeSo293vCisdpsHRmaC.62IkeWVUCOyoXkSGUm_Hr2K1DkzxXvZr7n04_N3 56cqwxbCWlRPo6ED_3_nB72LUboQ87uq_wdkBw8UUy6vOV8sOLvzFYKnuUOy 0bQEukFMq6T6WR7XKDq..YOKxbSVL1hEosWFZ0cOXCPsDUZUdyPTfYYv1six lMh1QL7Rot6ZPrWrICzZVp2PSQKmpFbIOJDZ98yfXbXKK.GdF6D2QBV_ZFVq zZcw_3FpYukJbHdcPrgsXEAiWGYiAjiFezqOI8Ekvy.soMcthXjAEmPI2vl8 MVRC3ri_Lj.HOLNBN9zVExgOwuT8a9AYHhiMeaWgF1W0eOE3MJWgBsb_pfz. wNoRPf4V_sX8tY6Sg4wPAbzAk.0_zompblTfunqm80FxNnEBGUj7NjCTa6N1 j2PLJ31RI6nUhccNcCM.za_3TBnIlPq_lT4PEtM6jqpbWrdC7ovNkJGL4wRL 0o1JfhdEQqMa4r1CfAn_hYJn2qH_7442xyUBZuNo4To3SPR8dQaFpIXqVTCa 4.EBfm_V4_i1osrEGnNDPnE.WMyyuKDBM0boRSl6HPlQ3eQbcxV_b4HZoS7v WWHSiMjmdPAEK2avMgoU2Q5ThDnVokqn74k94gpWxy6nE37o_OEmg1pHBjxT jiPFtD9.C3vrlj86WIqFy1RXtJ2aTzBDdzNz2GRlWBHQxfuO9_vXmpi.AsEt Skj2HAHtsNhE6f9Oc0mttiMGIXD8G X-Received: from [201.40.24.233] by web142302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:37:14 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,RnJpZW5kcyBpIGFtIGxlYXJuaW5nIGEsIGJlY2F1c2UgSSBuZXZlciBoZWFyIGEgc3RhdGlvbiBBbSBpbiBTdGVyZW8gUmFkaW8swqAgdGhlIE1wMyBZb3V0dWJlLCBCcmF6aWwgYnJvYWRjYXN0ZXJzIGRlYWN0aXZhdGVkIHRoZSBBbSBTdGVyZW8sYW0gdGhlIGZpZ2h0IHRvIHJldHVybi4KCk5ldG8gU2lsdmEKQnJhc2lsaWEvQnJhc2lsCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZmFjZWJvb2suY29tL2Ftc3RlcmVvLmJyYXNpbAoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRGU6IGJvZ2RhbmNoaW9jaGl1IDwBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.138.524 References: Message-ID: <1363912634.17874.YahooMailNeo@web142302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:37:14 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM music vs FM music...IDEALLY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=mAEq-VeUvWYIk15hGsjg-9VvA4yGB8vV5OV_iEbAgCyGkjgM X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Friends i am learning a, because I never hear a station Am in Stereo Radio,= =A0 the Mp3 Youtube, Brazil broadcasters deactivated the Am Stereo,am the f= ight to return. Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil http://www.facebook.com/amstereo.brasil ________________________________ De: bogdanchiochiu Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 21 de Mar=E7o de 2013 16:26 Assunto: {AMSF} AM music vs FM music...IDEALLY =20 Let`s start a new more interactive thread. We all know FM sounds more natur= al but unfortunatly also too precise, too cold and not enough crispy. AM so= unds less natural for music, but much warmer with slightly distorted and th= erefore full of punch in the highs and better bass response and a slight lo= ss on the mids while FM has VERY SLIGHTLY BETTER mid frequency curvature. W= ith this in mind, using the Motorola C-Quam technology I found the followin= g types of music to sound better: Progressive rock / Classic Rock: from the very few songs I actually heard o= n WIRY, it sounds fresher than on CHOM 97.7 70`s Disco: Unlike modern dance music, this type of dance music is the only= type using soft and rhythmic drums along with organic and natural instrume= nts (sax, violins, guitar, early synths, etc.) bluegrass: The melancoholic of this traditionnal music style when compared = to ugly western (even though both are a tiny bit related) sounds more atmos= pheric and desertic and bluesy in AM Stereo. Imagine yourself in the Arizon= a desert with bluegrass in your ears ! Adult R&b: see 70s disco for more details... Adult Contemporary / Light Rock: it is great to hear the songs you know lik= e I Need Somebody by Brian Adams in AMS with less emphasis on the mid and m= ore bass and treble response, so great you won`t want to hear it in FM ster= eo or AM mono the next time, oh, never ! Adult Standards: it would depend, but I would say AM stereo has the edge as= it would bring new life and new sound to songs you are already sick of, be= cause they are standards, such as Unchain Melody. Indie rock / Contemporary alternative (excluding metal and heavy rock, i.e.= : Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, Tool, Air, etc.): it gives more energy to t= he electric guitar especially when you hear the electric guitar slightly mi= xing with the heterodyne of another broadcaster 10 kHz above or below. Acid Jazz: it gives more colour to this SLIGHTLY disrtorted contemporary fo= rm of jazz. Tropical music (salsa, cumbia, zouk, reggae, kompas, etc.): It has been don= e before, even though noone of the trop. mx. stations that broadcast using = the C-QUAM technologie are within my QTHs, so why not ? From an objective perspective FM still has it`s edge on: Eurodance and Latin Freestyle: the bassy sound of AM because of higher freq= uency response in that frequency range would still make that music sound qu= ite good, but bothersome after a while. On FM, it would sound better, more = natural since it is already noisy. Metal (incl. Viking, black, death, speed, gothic, doom, industrial and heav= y subgenres): so noisy, it is alost useless to broadcast ANY of it on AM. O= n FM, though, from having listened a fair amount of metal bands (Static X, = Metallica, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Blind Guardian, Cruachan, Windir, Vin= tersorg, Finntroll, Nightwish, Evanescence, etc.) with the right level of c= ompression, some of the metallic noise could be reduced. However, the only = types of Metal songs I would like to try to play on the mediumwave Motorola= C-Quam system would be songs like Nothing Else Matters from Metallica`s 19= 91 Blacl album or Ensiferum with Eternal Wait, because of the very few grow= ls and they have mostly very quiet passages. Classical music (Tchaikovski et al): I believe it would sound as well on FM= than on AM, or maybe slightly better in wide AM stereo. The sound of class= ic harp relaxing music in AM stereo would be particularly impressive, while= the heavy violin, already noisy here on the FM 88-108 broadcast band would= be very heavy on mediumwave for all but a few curious minds. Thanks for replying to this thread, as your comments are a blessing to my r= eactivation as both a DXer and an AM Stereo supporter ! Warm greetings ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil http://www.facebook.com/amstereo.brasil ________________________________ De: Jota Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 21 de Mar=E7o de 2013 16:49 Assunto: {AMSF} Re: AM music vs FM music...IDEALLY =20 Hi!!! I think any kind of music would sound better with Amplitud Modulation becau= se the system is more simple than Frecuency Modulation. From the technical point of view, there is no any reason to get any kind of= difference between the audio from the AM and FM systems. An outstanding AM TX compared with an oustanding FM TX should sound equal i= f the AM laws allow the same audio bandwidth to both (the only one final di= fference, at long distance DX, would be the background noise). The great problem here isn't the kind of modulation itself. The very great = problem here is THE GREAT difference about the quality of the receivers/tun= ers. In my country we can get, at reasonable prices, very good FM tuners BUT WE = DON'T HAVE GOOD AM TUNERS HERE (with some few very expensive exceptions). That's the big problem here and I guess it is the same in USA, Canada, Mexi= co, Central and South America, Europe, Asia, Australia, etc. etc. etc. etc. SO... It doesn't matter the music program you have on the air if the listen= ers don't have a good AM tuner in their hands. I bet you you can get a very good vacuum tubes AM tuner from the 1950's and= you can get a wonderful sound from it. Even more, I think you can convert = it to C-QUAM AM Stereo with a few dollars more. The question is: WHO CAN CONVINCE/PERSUADE THE AM TUNER MAKERS TO MAKE AND = SELL GOOD C-QUAM AM STEREO TUNERS HERE AND NOW? ??? Some idea? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, witha lot of hope and love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > Let`s start a new more interactive thread. We all know FM sounds more nat= ural but unfortunatly also too precise, too cold and not enough crispy. AM = sounds less natural for music, but much warmer with slightly distorted and = therefore full of punch in the highs and better bass response and a slight = loss on the mids while FM has VERY SLIGHTLY BETTER mid frequency curvature.= With this in mind, using the Motorola C-Quam technology I found the follow= ing types of music to sound better: >=20 > Progressive rock / Classic Rock: from the very few songs I actually heard= on WIRY, it sounds fresher than on CHOM 97.7 >=20 > 70`s Disco: Unlike modern dance music, this type of dance music is the on= ly type using soft and rhythmic drums along with organic and natural instru= ments (sax, violins, guitar, early synths, etc.) >=20 > bluegrass: The melancoholic of this traditionnal music style when compare= d to ugly western (even though both are a tiny bit related) sounds more atm= ospheric and desertic and bluesy in AM Stereo. Imagine yourself in the Ariz= ona desert with bluegrass in your ears ! >=20 > Adult R&b: see 70s disco for more details... >=20 > Adult Contemporary / Light Rock: it is great to hear the songs you know l= ike I Need Somebody by Brian Adams in AMS with less emphasis on the mid and= more bass and treble response, so great you won`t want to hear it in FM st= ereo or AM mono the next time, oh, never ! >=20 > Adult Standards: it would depend, but I would say AM stereo has the edge = as it would bring new life and new sound to songs you are already sick of, = because they are standards, such as Unchain Melody. >=20 > Indie rock / Contemporary alternative (excluding metal and heavy rock, i.= e.: Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, Tool, Air, etc.): it gives more energy to= the electric guitar especially when you hear the electric guitar slightly = mixing with the heterodyne of another broadcaster 10 kHz above or below. >=20 > Acid Jazz: it gives more colour to this SLIGHTLY disrtorted contemporary = form of jazz. >=20 > Tropical music (salsa, cumbia, zouk, reggae, kompas, etc.): It has been d= one before, even though noone of the trop. mx. stations that broadcast usin= g the C-QUAM technologie are within my QTHs, so why not ? >=20 > From an objective perspective FM still has it`s edge on: >=20 > Eurodance and Latin Freestyle: the bassy sound of AM because of higher fr= equency response in that frequency range would still make that music sound = quite good, but bothersome after a while. On FM, it would sound better, mor= e natural since it is already noisy. >=20 > Metal (incl. Viking, black, death, speed, gothic, doom, industrial and he= avy subgenres): so noisy, it is alost useless to broadcast ANY of it on AM.= On FM, though, from having listened a fair amount of metal bands (Static X= , Metallica, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Blind Guardian, Cruachan, Windir, V= intersorg, Finntroll, Nightwish, Evanescence, etc.) with the right level of= compression, some of the metallic noise could be reduced. However, the onl= y types of Metal songs I would like to try to play on the mediumwave Motoro= la C-Quam system would be songs like Nothing Else Matters from Metallica`s = 1991 Blacl album or Ensiferum with Eternal Wait, because of the very few gr= owls and they have mostly very quiet passages. >=20 > Classical music (Tchaikovski et al): I believe it would sound as well on = FM than on AM, or maybe slightly better in wide AM stereo. The sound of cla= ssic harp relaxing music in AM stereo would be particularly impressive, whi= le the heavy violin, already noisy here on the FM 88-108 broadcast band wou= ld be very heavy on mediumwave for all but a few curious minds. >=20 >=20 > Thanks for replying to this thread, as your comments are a blessing to my= reactivation as both a DXer and an AM Stereo supporter ! > Warm greetings ! > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From peteysymonds@gmail.com Thu Mar 21 19:47:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: peteysymonds@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32778 invoked by uid 102); 22 Mar 2013 02:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 02:47:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21334 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2013 02:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.120) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 02:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 02:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 02:47:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:47:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 2.220.203.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 2.220.203.91 From: "m1pfs" Subject: C-QUAM AM Stereo SDR Transmission Software? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=273367519; y=kpgUzsWU1DMZiXxEyZ7g-xfMcGMKha3KG2NjwkJxtvM X-Yahoo-Profile: m1pfs I know that it could be quite a nice little thing to play with but does any= one know of any C-QUAM AM Stereo SDR Transmission software? I know there is= a SDR Receive software called SoDiRa for C-QUAM but is there any SDR Trans= mission software? The I and Q output can be done through a decent soundcard= and you could feed it into a SDR transmitter. 73 Peter M1PFS From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 08:36:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21232 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2013 15:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2013 15:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.171) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 15:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 15:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2013 15:36:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:36:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Re: AM music vs FM music...IDEALLY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=DNeP-6qgYPq0QK2ESA_gY7oS9m5oON8dXAeTPwJqLpnQAOO2B8SwqfI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I just read about an engineer at WTOP that they let program music from the = 30s to today - everything - and it was so popular on WTOP-HD3 that they put= it on their AM (WWFD?). Now that's an AM music format - The Gamut =3D they call it. From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Mar 22 09:13:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21700 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2013 16:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2013 16:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 16:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 89EC21C00008E for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:13:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.10]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 49B8CE000091 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:13:53 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445235072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c514c83413c9c X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM music vs FM music...IDEALLY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=pt1JUvzY8Ct7ZFjdyl-eArrjTqMQx96wXRCXCMuPJr1zR0yAnRwI X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Always glad to hear when a music format comes to AM. The chances of going to AM Stereo increase a lot with a music format. There is an AM music station in SW Florida I can hear at times and they call their format "The Avenue". Mostly songs that get little airplay anywhere else by groups from the 80's, 90's and 2000's. They are still in mono though. I think a similar format is called "Timeless Cool". WCNZ AM 1660 Marco Island, FL. In a message dated 3/22/2013 11:36:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: I just read about an engineer at WTOP that they let program music from the 30s to today - everything - and it was so popular on WTOP-HD3 that they put it on their AM (WWFD?). Now that's an AM music format - The Gamut = they call it. From acq@videotron.ca Fri Mar 22 14:27:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84474 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2013 21:27:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2013 21:27:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 21:27:07 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MK2004K5ZL6XJD0@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@meduci.com Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:26:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Meduci PRO1K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=yVsWLh65nfsBXaoCS5cLjMMjjNNWa9EnYL4GtE7EieBQZY3zmSfQblQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings ! I fired up the Meduci PRO1K tuner I forgot in the dust while begging for the Sony CFS 6000 boombox which is ALMOST but not quite as good (though it has it`s advantages which is why I ordered it from Chris Cuff !)... Let me tell you first of all that if you have a modern boombox like the SOny XFD S05 with a AUDIO IN jack, you can connect a special cable that includes the white and red L+R channel outputs and this one which is very contemporary still record, in addition to a VERY decent FM stereo AM mono tuner with DSP technology. Now into a short review... I also happen to own the Twin Coil Ferrite loop antenna from the USA which was in a BETTER SHAPE THAN EXPECTED AT FIRST GLANCE AFTER ALL THOSE YEARS ! With it the signal of WIRY 1340, my only C-QUAM LOCAL was poor but listenable... However, being a smart guy even if technically dumb, I did put the Paul Karlstrand Australian mediumwave tunable and passive loop on top of it and miracle, they delivered a fairly good Verdun-like signal which was actually unbelievable... I recorded some music, but having played with the L+R output cable so much, that my recording is a bit too experimental and essentially unlistenable. But because instead of the MULTISYSTEM forced stereo mode in the Sony CFS 6000, that Meduci Hi-Fi AM tuner uses 3rd generation improoved Motorola chip, there was no noticeable platform motion to speak of AND I was instead able to play with the left and right output to verify the stereo authenticity which adds too much unwanted noise to my experimental aircheck. This week-end, however, I may come up with something, though. I also tryed to restore a Sony STJR AM Stereo FM stereo tuner brought from EBay but I`m afraid, when I tryed to maintain it, it came switched into the European mode, good PERHAPS for France Bleue 864 kHz in AM Narrow mode to avoid CJBC 860 kHz but Trans-Atlantics have been nil lately, I guess (have not even listened too that much to regular AM) and WIRY 1341 is 1 kHz too high for stereo reception so after connecting the loop I didn`t even bothered to hook the L+R cable because the STEREO light didn`t came on. Actually it is not even STJR but there are so many numbers and letters that I forgot the exact name of this tuner - should I sell it ? Any takers ? It is in a poor to fair shape as the crystal liquid numbers keep dissapearing occasionally and the FM side of it is ALMOST but NOT quite as poor as the Sony SRF A100 with which I wasn`t happy at all... My broken and future ``brand newly owned`` Sony CFS 6000 along with the Meduci tuners are much better AMS performers... Also, slightly off topic, but even though if monaural CJLO 1690 kHz from Concordia university sounds almost Hi-Fi...very impressive to have such a beautiful indie music sound on mediumwave ! Last but definitively not least, does any of you knows something about the FIRST generation MEDUCI tuner, the analog one and why it was discontinued... What where it`s drawbacks ? Anyway... Looks like another interesting thread is starting right now... May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Fri Mar 22 19:46:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40567 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2013 02:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2013 02:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imta-38.everyone.net) (216.200.145.37) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 02:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2N2hEIC016933 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:46:18 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0206 X-Received: by dm0206.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d827d4be) id dm0206.513ff391.1229d8b for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:46:06 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: Af////9RTRdu+GEcqAIAAAAB,96b6759874c69159d91d3f089c2e6c6f Message-ID: <514D176E.6050809@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:46:06 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-22_09:2013-03-22,2013-03-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1303220278 X-Originating-IP: 216.200.145.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: AM vs FM music, Stereo on SW, etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=6y9A6pTXXk3jI0ZyeSEbGX0ul_VZBds0ClDXMtzz_L5ErQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst One reason FM sounds more natural than AM is because it uses a form of synchronous detection. When synchronous detection is used for the L+R portion of an AM signal it eliminates the scratchy sounding characteristic associated with an envelope detector when interfering noise is present. For a fully synchronously detected AM Stereo signal with at least a 12kHz+ audio response one would be hard pressed to tell the difference between that and an FM Stereo signal. One might perceive the AM signal as better since the overall separation is better since it is not limited as much by modulation depth of L+R as it is on FM. Due to the loudness war on FM full frequency separation greatly reduces the overall L+R loudness because it adds to the maximum deviation. As a result FM stations choose loudness over separation. Harris put out a demo record of their linear quadrature AM stereo system. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E9SntO4Ul8 If a single best system is to be used for both MW & SW synchronous detection shows major strength without distortion during interference conditions and sidebanding the stereo channels offers immunity from selective fading and asymmetrical sideband reception regarding channel separation. In fact it could rival the absolute channel separation capable on FM if matching audio phasing R/C networks are used at both transmitter and receiver and would also restore the proper audio phasing during reception. One single system standard that would perform the best and could be put into all radios both MW & SW. A synchronously detected linear ISB system is proprietary free, has been used in the field of Ham Radio and has been described in the ARRL handbook since at least the mid '80s. In the shortwave bands with all the reception problems a non-linear system just exasperates the distortion problem. The only non-linear system that would fair OK would be Kahn ISB because of the sideband separation of the signals. The envelope compatible non-linear aspect of the system has the same shortcomings of an AM DSB mono signal for L+R detection, and when switching into stereo the signal will only get slightly worse than the mono signal during poor reception conditions. In the U.S. and maybe other countries having chosen C-QuAM for the MW band eliminated the possibility of having a single system used for all bands because using C-QuAM in the SW band will prove futile for skywave reception. Why have stereo in the SW bands if you can't receive it via skywave. In the U.S., unlike other countries, SW is seldom used anyway so I guess it will always be C-QuAM here. Additional lengthy detailed technical information on various systems for those interested. My post kept growing so I decided to split it up here. http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/addinfo.txt JSG From acq@videotron.ca Sat Mar 23 04:24:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37735 invoked by uid 102); 23 Mar 2013 11:24:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 11:24:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5085 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2013 11:24:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 11:24:34 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MK4009PC2CWTC10@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <21FF05A651D8474CAF20B4BECE6FD368@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:24:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: WINY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=A7g1Yg9ASAg-iFLD3bUm8SvuaUyp39-Sd-N3rfujSVqR0N96sS80teI X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again ! Very happy with the Meduci tuner purchassed in 2010 that I just started to enjoy YESTURDAY, I fired it up again this morning as fade-out occured just a couple of minutes ago and regular twilight skywave pest WINY Putnam was coming in with no NOTICEABLE stereo effect unlike CFCO 630 last night on fade-ups (yep !) or WIRY on adjacent daytime groundwave DX channel. I wrote to Gary Osborn which is WINY chief engineer yesturday, as I must mention, but it is worthless yet, though I may receive a reply in the near future... Of course on a forced stereo set like one of those Sonys things are different... This is a great thing about Meduci: 3rd generation Motorola chip to avoid platform motion instead of 1st generation MULTISYSTEM decoders with more powerful separation but also more random separation both Harris, Magnavox, Motorola and regular monaural AMers. If the DXer around the Providence area 30 miles of Putnam is still there, maybe he could tell me if AT LEAST WINY has the stereo PILOT switched on; I don`t recall an indication on my Meduci AMAX certified tuner. On the other hand, maybe the DX conditions were poor, as WINY was slightly more unstable AND IT ALSO faded out along with the other nightskippers much earlier which is not necessarily a bad thing, I guess you even know why !... I also have wonder for nearby short-skip WIKE in Newport, Vermont on 1490 kHz which was in and out last late afternoon / early evening before the channel turned it`s self into a true graveyard mass, but I had to leave way before 1490 became listenable on top of weak semi-local WICY in Malone and came back way after that channel was a graveyard jungle. Even 1230 which is dominated by several graveyarders is slightly CLEARER in the mid-evenings time slot than those nasty 1490 kHz. That`s it for now ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: Also, generally speaking the Meduci stations list is the most updated source on the web for such info. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Mar 23 05:07:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10315 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2013 12:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2013 12:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-we0-f174.google.com) (74.125.82.174) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 12:07:53 -0000 X-Received: by mail-we0-f174.google.com with SMTP id r6so3918084wey.33 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 05:07:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.90.168 with SMTP id bx8mr8264480wjb.59.1364040473427; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 05:07:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.217.2.75 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 05:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:07:53 -0400 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.82.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: AM Music Vs FM Music..IDEALLY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=C_s5eJmk_TKcWQ42QXOpmf4oU4291xZDJMI0W244XLNg2t68BJQsoBlM X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Timeless Cool and The Avenue are basically owned by the same people. Timeless Cool is the commercial version of the format and The Avenue is a similar format run by the same people that goes on some of their non commercial signals. Paul ********************** Always glad to hear when a music format comes to AM. The chances of going to AM Stereo increase a lot with a music format. There is an AM music station in SW Florida I can hear at times and they call their format "The Avenue"**. Mostly songs that get little airplay anywhere else by groups from the 80's, 90's and 2000's. They are still in mono though. I think a similar format is called "Timeless Cool". WCNZ AM 1660 Marco Island, FL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Mar 23 10:35:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3309 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2013 17:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2013 17:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.141) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 17:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2013 17:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2013 17:35:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:35:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <514D176E.6050809@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 181.163.166.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 181.163.166.53 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: AM vs FM music, Stereo on SW, etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=a_br21HOXGudfnsYHuUiiYqxqQY1bEO65Gf69pv66RCLfqOIig X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! You are talking about synchronous detection, which is an AM tuner makers is= sue. So... the problem remains the same: WHO CONVINCES THE AM TUNER MAKERS = TO BUILD GOOD TUNERS AT LOW PRICE!!! That's the only one great problem here. And I want to add some words about software modulation. I think it would be= ideal to have TXs with a good software modulation package inside. The prob= lem is... HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST? ??? I mean, I don't see as an efficient idea to use a separated and dedicated p= ersonal computer device to run the modulation software (something SoDiRa bu= t to create the carrier and modulate it). It can be use that way but... Why= to use a powerful computer to just one thing? ??? Even more, if the PC cra= shes... all your transmission will be out of the air, too risk. SO... I think we can to transmit with the today analog AM modulation techni= ques and to dream for a tuner makers change of mind. When? When the elephants fly, maybe. I don't know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America with a lot of hope and love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: > > One reason FM sounds more natural than AM is because it uses a form of=20 > synchronous detection. When synchronous detection is used for the L+R=20 > portion of an AM signal it eliminates the scratchy sounding=20 > characteristic associated with an envelope detector when interfering=20 > noise is present. For a fully synchronously detected AM Stereo signal=20 > with at least a 12kHz+ audio response one would be hard pressed to tell=20 > the difference between that and an FM Stereo signal. One might perceive=20 > the AM signal as better since the overall separation is better since it=20 > is not limited as much by modulation depth of L+R as it is on FM. Due to= =20 > the loudness war on FM full frequency separation greatly reduces the=20 > overall L+R loudness because it adds to the maximum deviation. As a=20 > result FM stations choose loudness over separation. >=20 > Harris put out a demo record of their linear quadrature AM stereo system. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2E9SntO4Ul8 >=20 > If a single best system is to be used for both MW & SW synchronous=20 > detection shows major strength without distortion during interference=20 > conditions and sidebanding the stereo channels offers immunity from=20 > selective fading and asymmetrical sideband reception regarding channel=20 > separation. In fact it could rival the absolute channel separation=20 > capable on FM if matching audio phasing R/C networks are used at both=20 > transmitter and receiver and would also restore the proper audio phasing= =20 > during reception. One single system standard that would perform the best= =20 > and could be put into all radios both MW & SW. A synchronously detected=20 > linear ISB system is proprietary free, has been used in the field of Ham= =20 > Radio and has been described in the ARRL handbook since at least the mid= =20 > '80s. >=20 > In the shortwave bands with all the reception problems a non-linear=20 > system just exasperates the distortion problem. The only non-linear=20 > system that would fair OK would be Kahn ISB because of the sideband=20 > separation of the signals. The envelope compatible non-linear aspect of=20 > the system has the same shortcomings of an AM DSB mono signal for L+R=20 > detection, and when switching into stereo the signal will only get=20 > slightly worse than the mono signal during poor reception conditions. >=20 > In the U.S. and maybe other countries having chosen C-QuAM for the MW=20 > band eliminated the possibility of having a single system used for all=20 > bands because using C-QuAM in the SW band will prove futile for skywave=20 > reception. Why have stereo in the SW bands if you can't receive it via=20 > skywave. In the U.S., unlike other countries, SW is seldom used anyway=20 > so I guess it will always be C-QuAM here. >=20 >=20 > Additional lengthy detailed technical information on various systems for= =20 > those interested. My post kept growing so I decided to split it up here. > http://jsgil.mylinuxisp.com/AM-Stereo/addinfo.txt >=20 > JSG > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 23 11:42:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59762 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2013 18:42:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2013 18:42:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-08.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.168) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 18:42:24 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130323134201102248300011> for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:42:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <514DF771.6050303@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:41:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:42:01 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130323-1, 03/23/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WIRY Stereo AM and WSM Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=SV07XE5LS4RTH2E27x86TMb0iRr-jzJ3RzrmSz7Tvd3B8Qfmu-Hp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude > For now I'm still waiting the answer from factory, if they will add > CQUAm decoding on their core firmware or not. If they add it then the > bandwidth is settable by the final system developer, thru SPI commands. > Will see about it soon... I hope! Sotiris- do you happen to know the specifications for what was called AMAX in the US, or at least the NRSC-3 curves? Any radios destined for the US market should be built to those standards. I'll try to find a source for them if you don't know what they are so you can study them. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 23 12:20:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15573 invoked by uid 102); 23 Mar 2013 19:20:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 19:20:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31854 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2013 19:20:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-02.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.152) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 19:20:25 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130323142016102576200011> for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:20:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <514E0067.6040909@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:20:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:20:16 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130323-1, 03/23/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Meduci PRO1K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=fn4MqWNFU30D_ja58SMj9U35u8e5qywD5Q81aEO50TEQzaJJcd0A X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/22/2013 4:27 PM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > Last but definitively not least, does any of you knows something about > the FIRST generation MEDUCI tuner, the analog one and why it was > discontinued... What where it`s drawbacks ? Anyway... They tended to have some instability at the low end of the dial. You'd hear a low pitched growl, though once a fairly strong station was tuned in it would go away. I'm getting mine repaired sometime in the next several months. Scott Todd From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Mar 23 13:51:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2690 invoked by uid 102); 23 Mar 2013 20:51:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 20:51:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19859 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2013 20:51:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 20:51:20 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 383F738000052 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:51:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.10]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E0543E000085 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <13a5.1ba978d5.3e7f6fc7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:51:19 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436968992:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c514e15c775cc X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WIRY Stereo AM and WSM Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=IYsO45PITw-j-MsceU8mK5Ap-GTr-tht9JUYJAjktt1pJ2Bis_Nk X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 3/23/2013 2:42:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: Sotiris- do you happen to know the specifications for what was called AMAX in the US, or at least the NRSC-3 curves? Any radios destined for the US market should be built to those standards. I'll try to find a source for them if you don't know what they are so you can study them. Scott Todd You can go to Google Search and type in NRSC-3 and there is a link to a pdf copy. Actually NRSC-3 was discontinued in 2007. The latest receiver standard is NRSC-1-A which can also be found using Google Search. I believe the specifications are still mostly the same as NRSC-3 though. 73 Todd WD4NGG From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Mar 23 14:05:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76485 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2013 21:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2013 21:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2013 21:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 59C8B1C000144 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:05:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.10]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2D007E000082 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <1741.6cb89cc2.3e7f7335@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:05:57 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445829088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b514e19360deb X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WIRY Stereo AM and WSM Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=99SMc_6TOzlcf2U-m7HQNM71Y-q3W4mPK_PUvW5bzCA0-AjUIa3Y X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 In a message dated 3/23/2013 4:51:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toddroberts2001@aol.com writes: Sotiris- do you happen to know the specifications for what was called AMAX in the US, or at least the NRSC-3 curves? Any radios destined for the US market should be built to those standards. I'll try to find a source for them if you don't know what they are so you can study them. Scott Todd It looks like NRSC-1-A has already been updated to NRSC-1 B recently. The pre-emphasis / de-emphasis curves look the same though. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 16:46:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17138 invoked by uid 102); 24 Mar 2013 23:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2013 23:46:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1598 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2013 23:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.168) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2013 23:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP116 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:46:47 -0700 X-EIP: [yarlOtnCttrrdVfhBIc3GF+fa9qn3dmp] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP116.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:46:45 -0700 To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:47:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2013 23:46:46.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[D83E36D0:01CE28E9] X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 1300 and 1310 manual available for posting. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=1ZpuJLcfyECs6zCFIHXBkv_ZIuJJ9vaakF70qmTBS3Py X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i would like that manual in pdf. i have a hardcopy but would like a pdf backup. let me know where it winds up being posted ----- Original Message ----- From: "pdmtr" To: Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 1300 and 1310 manual available for posting. > IMHO the best place to upload such a large maual and be available to all > anytime, is the KO4BB excellent site... See below > > http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/ > > It is free and accepts any file size using ftp instructions to upload it. > > Best regards > Sotiris Pdmtr > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ninjarider100" > wrote: >> >> I scanned the complete manual for the 1300 and 1310 exciter and monitor >> today at work using a large format scanner for the drawings. Its 249 >> pages or so and runs about 34Mb. Send me an email and lets see if we can >> get this posted somewhere. >> >> JJ >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From acq@videotron.ca Sun Mar 24 16:53:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72442 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2013 23:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2013 23:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2013 23:53:43 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MK600F5CVPH0Y80@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <514E0067.6040909@usfamily.net> In-reply-to: <514E0067.6040909@usfamily.net> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:53:20 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Meduci PRO1K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=9AtlZeA_gsS16OdQD0uPr8K00k4C5om0Vu_zb7kZMnnzeIqivc0H3VY X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for my unrealistic promise but despite low enjoyable mono mid-FI + OCCASIONAL STEREOPHONIC snippets, the Meduci PRO1K was keeping switching from mono to occasional stereo reception, very unstable... I`m gonna miss platform motion, so I`m gonna give my Meduci tuner to WIRY when I`ll visit them in April-May of 2013. At least the occasional ST snippets on WIRY, CFCO and even WBLQ proves this one under the right condx really is a stereo gem, but... Anyway... That`s my 2 cents worth of it ! Also, it took too much of my time this week-end, doing corresponding tape tests for uneven ST / MO blending reception and playing continuously with my Twin COil / PK combo even when the WIRY reeception was excellent by DX standards... Anyway... So, have a nice week at work ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use . Send us Feedback . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sun Mar 24 18:25:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95487 invoked by uid 102); 25 Mar 2013 01:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2013 01:25:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26027 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2013 01:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imta-38.everyone.net) (216.200.145.35) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2013 01:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2P1NNd2015243 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:25:13 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm0206 X-Received: by dm0206.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d827d4be) id dm0206.513ff391.152f384 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:25:03 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: Af////9RT6dvE26uSgIAAAAB,59dde1111258aad2a5e22ff92938838f Message-ID: <514FA76C.3030603@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:25:00 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-03-25_01:2013-03-22,2013-03-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1303240335 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: Re: AM vs FM music, Stereo on SW, etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=WGak15zV2NadflQQ35-3txccSqkvuqBWURw1sVITY5pNnw X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:35 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jota" jotape1960 >Hi!!! >And I want to add some words about software modulation. >I think it would be ideal to have TXs with a good software >modulation package inside. The problem is... >HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST? ??? >I mean, I don't see as an efficient idea to use a separated >and dedicated personal computer device to run the modulation >software (something SoDiRa but to create the carrier and modulate it). >It can be use that way but... Why to use a powerful computer to just >one thing? ??? Even more, if the PC crashes... all your transmission >will be out of the air, too risk. Although I have not delved into digital electronics and programming=20 enough to do this but I'm sure a simple USB dongle could be made cheaply=20 for maybe $100 retail. One that would generate a composite signal, a=20 split envelope/phase signal for an older transmitter, or the newer=20 digital pulse mode for the switching class D transmitters or the like.=20 Writing software to drive this is another story as the initial=20 investment is greater. Once done replicating code for each computer is=20 as easy as a software install and this would make a good Linux open=20 source project. Linux is very stable and is what iBiquity uses for their=20 exciters and these also could easily be reprogrammed for any AMS analog=20 system desired once the hardware interface of the modulator is known. >You are talking about synchronous detection, which is an AM tuner >makers issue. So... the problem remains the same: WHO CONVINCES >THE AM TUNER MAKERS TO BUILD GOOD TUNERS AT LOW PRICE!!! It's all about quantity and cost here. If a big manufacture can't make=20 large quantities of a radio like this very cheap and a guarantee to sell=20 it at a mass profit to the consumer then it probably won't happen.=20 Synchronous detection is a very minor issue compared to actually getting=20 any AMS radios manufactured and distributed in enough quantities and at=20 a cheap enough price. If you want synchronous detection now all the Motorola chips have both I=20 & Q synchronous detectors built into them because they are needed for=20 C-QuAM decoding. Unlike the MC13028 both the MC13020 & MC13022 have=20 external pins for filter caps where the synchronously detected signals=20 can be accessed but only the MC13020 allows the distortion correction=20 circuit to be disabled with a large cap which makes it the prime chip to=20 use for this. Maybe some of the Delco & Japanese C-QuAM chips would also=20 work well for this. This is a very cheap conversion on any MC13020 based radio like the=20 Realistic TM-152. This mod=20 in its simplest=20 form is only 6 parts that can be put together on perfboard and easily=20 installed. Motorola could have easily made their chips to also operate=20 automatically in full synchronous detection mode but didn't. A C-QuAM=20 radio is actually a little more complicated in the decoding process then=20 a regular synchronous detector stereo radio. With this additional=20 complexity it brought them patent royalties. Synchronous detection is as=20 old as SSB in the SW/Ham bands, well proven and nothing patentable there. I would like to see decoder chips with I/O pins for L+R & L-R also for=20 audio phasing filters to recover the sidebands independently and the=20 necessary matrixing inside the chip to also do LSB, USB & ISB Stereo. If=20 a new chip was to be designed adding these features along with adding=20 the audio phasing filters this would allow a radio to operate in 9=20 different detection modes. A multi pilot tone spec could also be defined=20 to facilitate radio switching between the modes. This would be a nice=20 addition to a MW/SW receiver along with a =B110kHz ceramic IF filter and=20 proper NRSC de-emphasis. This would be THE RADIO to have. Using a MC13020 and discrete components a 9 mode decoder could be made.=20 The 9 modes would be Mono, and both Synchronous and Envelope Compatible=20 modes for QuAM, ISB, LSB, USB. This is not rocket science and is=20 basically non-patentable old technology but unfortunately if a new=20 design can't be patented and maximum dollars extracted from the consumer=20 it usually won't be made available by a big corporation. For the big=20 corporate profit concept think printers & ink and Keurig & K-Cups ;-). In the U.S. for now having any analog AMS system in the MW bands other=20 that C-QuAM is a very slim and far away possibility and since the U.S.=20 uses SW the least out of all other countries C-QuAM and MW only I guess=20 is here to stay. If it's just C-QuAM radios needed now then the cheapest=20 implemented and most available chip is the MC13028 unless there is a=20 chip produced for the Asian market that could be used instead. However=20 if a country also used SW bands a lot and wanted stereo there too then a=20 9 mode radio like this would be ideal. If a specialty radio could be=20 made with these features for an international market then for a company=20 like Sangean manufacturing one probably would be economically feasible.=20 I think CCrane has Sangean manufacture their radios and there isn't a=20 huge mass consumer market for these but enough to hopefully sustain an=20 acceptable profit margin. 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Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: Scott Todd Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 25 de Mar=E7o de 2013 17:37 Assunto: {AMSF} OT- survey questions =20 I'm attempting to put together a survey to gauge potential listener=20 interest in a Christian country format.=A0 This isn't something I'm=20 looking for the forum participants to answer, necessarily, just a way to=20 throw it out there for comments to see if I've asked enough of the right=20 questions.=A0 I wanted to respect the forum and not just post it unless=20 enough people were OK with it.=A0 I could post it and then take it off=20 list with those who'd like to help.=A0 What do you guys think? Scott Todd ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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This isn't something I'm=20 looking for the forum participants to answer, necessarily, just a way to=20 throw it out there for comments to see if I've asked enough of the right=20 questions. I wanted to respect the forum and not just post it unless=20 enough people were OK with it. I could post it and then take it off=20 list with those who'd like to help. What do you guys think? Scott Todd =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 26 05:24:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86465 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2013 12:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2013 12:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.48) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2013 12:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2013 12:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.41] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2013 12:24:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 12:24:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5150B59F.4040300@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Re: OT- survey questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ES-3hS0PUDXrPmNg-VkjuaKwaB3WAZV10gTYt793pp_66eoTekiDsb8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Any niche music format that fosters the growth of AM Stereo is a good thing= , so asking members to contact you off the board seems like a good itea in = my book. Best of luck. John From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 29 16:54:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21132 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2013 23:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2013 23:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-06.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.166) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2013 23:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.19] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130329185408100292000010> for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:54:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <51562998.5030603@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:54:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:54:08 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130329-0, 03/29/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: OT: Christian country radio interest survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=p3QA_Q7_rTy92OIY15f8JOFqYGCyyatzTSwx10dxKv1rCuZKGsAM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Since there was no objection I've posted it below. All subsequent discussion should be directed to me personally, however, so as not to divert the forum from its intended purpose. Perhaps we can temporarily create a subgroup. The idea is to help me formulate a better survey. If you care to take it yourself that's OK too, but not the main purpose of posting it. FWIW- The reference to KTIS in the survey: it's the 800 pound gorilla of Contemporary Christian Music radio in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. Scott Todd ---------- How likely would you listen to a Christian Country station if one were available? A. Very likely B. Occasionally C. Not personally interested but I know some people who might be. D. Not at all If you answered C or D no need to answer any further. This is to gauge potential listener interest and your input is every bit as valuable. This is not some way of trying to get an ego trip off anyone. If you answered A or B please continue: What era of country would you be most interested in? A. Strictly the new stuff B. Anything within the last 25 years onward C. Anything from 1970 onward D. The classics such as Patsy Cline and Tex Ritter E. Doesn’t matter- if it’s country then play it. The idea of this station is to eventually create a country equivalent to KTIS or K-LOVE. There may be a problem with having enough material for a full time format until the format matures, however. With that in mind, would you have any objections if it played Christian songs by non-Christian artists such as Willy Nelson? A. Don’t mind at all. If it’s good music it’s good music. B. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. C. I’d wonder if the station were even Christian if those artists were played. How about a bit of bluegrass added to the mix for the same reason? A. That would be great since they’re such closely related music types. B. If it’s limited to artists also known for their country material like Ricky Skaggs. C. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. D. Nope- that would dilute the format and listening experience Note- “southern gospel” will be avoided except in cases where it could truly pass for country. A. Agreed- it tends to be too hokey anyway B. Why not? It’s also on the same musical tree as country. How about “clean country”- music that’s pro family and doesn’t involve subjects like booze or infidelity but is not strictly speaking Christian? A. That would fit in quite well. By all means play it. B. A certain amount would be OK, maybe 20% C. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. D. Let’s try to keep this as Christian as possible Do you know of any Christian Country music artists and songs? If so, please use the back side of this page and list some artist and title suggestions. Any other comments would be welcome. From amfmdx@centurytel.net Fri Mar 29 17:08:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@centurytel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40310 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2013 00:08:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2013 00:08:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com) (209.235.152.148) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2013 00:08:55 -0000 X-Authenticated-User: amfmdx.centurytel.net X-Received: from [192.168.2.10] (75-121-108-147.dyn.centurytel.net [75.121.108.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2U08qnA022884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:08:54 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) In-Reply-To: <51562998.5030603@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:08:51 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <51562998.5030603@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=oAxrHc7n1jKJX4fY1iyaJAXSOSN7urktBebPXQkBiKI= c=1 sm=1 a=Fy6YCJtv-ykA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=R6er/rlUoZAv1BE6Gug0CA==:17 a=U3C5YkUBroKvGfWolWYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=R6er/rlUoZAv1BE6Gug0CA==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.51562D16.00F5,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Originating-IP: 209.235.152.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=348428246; y=MlgyCSjM3-zNRjw7_IRn4Un6B43TaRaZHLMc5iqwmqNJYTdAUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Scott, here in Tennessee we are buried in these stations. In the south you = would be up against very heavy competition.=20 Kevin Crump, TN On Mar 29, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > How likely would you listen to a Christian Country station if one were=20 > available? >=20 > A. Very likely > B. Occasionally > C. Not personally interested but I know some people who might be. > D. Not at all From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Mar 29 17:56:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15089 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2013 00:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2013 00:56:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173007pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.7) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2013 00:56:58 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252; reply-type=original X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.201]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MKG004KD7YUJC40@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:56:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <51562998.5030603@usfamily.net> In-reply-to: <51562998.5030603@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:56:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 One observation I would make with regard to country music in general is that there is a big divide between classic country and modern country. Classic country listeners don't like, and don't listen to, modern country (and maybe vice-versa, I don't know). Dick W. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:54 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; amstereo@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey Since there was no objection I've posted it below. All subsequent discussion should be directed to me personally, however, so as not to divert the forum from its intended purpose. Perhaps we can temporarily create a subgroup. The idea is to help me formulate a better survey. If you care to take it yourself that's OK too, but not the main purpose of posting it. FWIW- The reference to KTIS in the survey: it's the 800 pound gorilla of Contemporary Christian Music radio in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. Scott Todd ---------- How likely would you listen to a Christian Country station if one were available? A. Very likely B. Occasionally C. Not personally interested but I know some people who might be. D. Not at all If you answered C or D no need to answer any further. This is to gauge potential listener interest and your input is every bit as valuable. This is not some way of trying to get an ego trip off anyone. If you answered A or B please continue: What era of country would you be most interested in? A. Strictly the new stuff B. Anything within the last 25 years onward C. Anything from 1970 onward D. The classics such as Patsy Cline and Tex Ritter E. Doesn’t matter- if it’s country then play it. The idea of this station is to eventually create a country equivalent to KTIS or K-LOVE. There may be a problem with having enough material for a full time format until the format matures, however. With that in mind, would you have any objections if it played Christian songs by non-Christian artists such as Willy Nelson? A. Don’t mind at all. If it’s good music it’s good music. B. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. C. I’d wonder if the station were even Christian if those artists were played. How about a bit of bluegrass added to the mix for the same reason? A. That would be great since they’re such closely related music types. B. If it’s limited to artists also known for their country material like Ricky Skaggs. C. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. D. Nope- that would dilute the format and listening experience Note- “southern gospel” will be avoided except in cases where it could truly pass for country. A. Agreed- it tends to be too hokey anyway B. Why not? It’s also on the same musical tree as country. How about “clean country”- music that’s pro family and doesn’t involve subjects like booze or infidelity but is not strictly speaking Christian? A. That would fit in quite well. By all means play it. B. A certain amount would be OK, maybe 20% C. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. D. Let’s try to keep this as Christian as possible Do you know of any Christian Country music artists and songs? If so, please use the back side of this page and list some artist and title suggestions. Any other comments would be welcome. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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(VPS 130329-0, 03/29/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=gaRanHySTK68mYe6qYQTXdaORllax_vPv3kIy9EoUJ2ogxvJtMzP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/29/2013 7:08 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Scott, here in Tennessee we are buried in these stations. In the south > you would be up against very heavy competition. > That's valuable to know too, Kevin. I'd be remiss if I didn't ask are you sure they're country and not southern gospel? There is a difference. If you could send me a sample list of 5 or 6 stations you know have the format I'd look up their webcasts and listen on line and evaluate them. You could send it off forum. Thanks, Scott Todd From amfmdx@centurytel.net Fri Mar 29 18:28:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@centurytel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87403 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2013 01:28:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2013 01:28:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail960c35.nsolutionszone.com) (209.235.152.150) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2013 01:28:58 -0000 X-Authenticated-User: amfmdx.centurytel.net X-Received: from [192.168.2.10] (75-121-108-147.dyn.centurytel.net [75.121.108.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail960c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2U1StAh017512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 01:28:57 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) In-Reply-To: <5156389D.206@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 20:28:54 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <51562998.5030603@usfamily.net> <5156389D.206@usfamily.net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=ne55Nbg+Z9yBMU4WJ38yubtpIg7SYfoNr6HiF2/MUfc= c=1 sm=1 a=Fy6YCJtv-ykA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=R6er/rlUoZAv1BE6Gug0CA==:17 a=mxGpNJ44HyAmY0VMb2MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=R6er/rlUoZAv1BE6Gug0CA==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.51563FD9.007A,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Originating-IP: 209.235.152.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=348428246; y=OIfZf-jF3dgtKPI-Z-oKT7aikOU29tu05Unx2rtEWFjAj5K79w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Mar 29, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Scott Todd wrote: > That's valuable to know too, Kevin. I'd be remiss if I didn't ask are=20 > you sure they're country and not southern gospel?=20=20 They are country gospel, southern gospel, bluegrass gospel, country with so= me gospel, bluegrass with a lot of gospel. Then there are the straight coun= try, straight bluegrass and the rare old school country. Booneville, MS has= one on 1400 and every radio within 50 miles has it on. Very few stations = have that old country format. If you ever find it, you can be sure its on A= M.=20 If someone wanted to make a ultramegagigaton of money, they would put 40s-7= 0s country on the air all over the nation. Dude, I have been driving a bus = lately, no engineering jobs are available around here right now and people = beg me to put on old country on XM56. They beg and beg for that music. Hell= when its on, the whole bus is singing. Especially women riders ask for it.= For real.=20 Old music like MYL but country would bank bucks. BIG TIME. Its not really m= y thing but lots of people want it badly. I like elevator music but play th= e old country to shut the riders up. They drive me insane until I play it. = It doesn't matter whether the riders are 20 or 80 here they all ask me to p= lay XM56 because they can't hear it anywhere else.=20 > There is a=20 > difference. If you could send me a sample list of 5 or 6 stations you=20 > know have the format I'd look up their webcasts and listen on line and=20 > evaluate them. You could send it off forum. Most of them playing southern/bluegrass/country gospel are flea powered thi= ngs but they are everywhere. I will give the calls but good luck getting th= em online. I'll listen for the calls and let you have them but dude, old sc= hool country would make someone have to rent 100 Brinks trucks to haul the = money in every day. They don't care about Rock, Jazz, Big Band, Elevator Mu= sic, Classical, New Age its just people on the bus begging for old country.= They have a lot of stores here like the hardware store a mile from my hous= e with it as background music off XM and Sirius.=20 Old country, big money. No joke. Never seen anything like it.=20 Kevin Crump, TN From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Mar 29 18:59:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20352 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2013 01:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2013 01:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qe0-f53.google.com) (209.85.128.53) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2013 01:59:45 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qe0-f53.google.com with SMTP id q19so491881qeb.26 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:59:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.52.9 with SMTP id f9mr6154339qag.33.1364608784948; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.11] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fr4sm10768217qab.3.2013.03.29.18.59.41 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:59:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <51562998.5030603@usfamily.net> <5156389D.206@usfamily.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.128.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Nx0fAPxYHtPgFnQ2_BlBKv_DRqiTkMW1ADvPXSN0LgC2OHlRR0xIUCDRiYWjdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 29, 2013, at 9:28 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Old music like MYL but country would bank bucks. BIG TIME. Its not really my thing but lots of people want it badly. We have had a couple of such stations, they had GREAT ratings too. They typically would drag in 5 and 6 shares on the 12+ chats in the Arbitron Ratings, but you could not give away the afs... The Agencies all want a Young audience, not the older listeners, no matter how many you have. Even the High End car dealers and such that would do good with ads on a classic Country station, ONLY buy through their agencies and they won't buy an older audience. That is why all Nostalgia stations die off even when they have listeners. The only ones that do great are the stations owned by a retirement community, such as 640 WVLG. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 29 19:12:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73231 invoked by uid 102); 30 Mar 2013 02:12:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2013 02:12:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12697 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2013 02:12:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-06.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.166) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2013 02:12:51 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.19] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130329211219100143700010> for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:12:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <515649FB.7030505@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:12:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:12:19 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <51562998.5030603@usfamily.net> <5156389D.206@usfamily.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130329-1, 03/29/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4Jd6c0Xpgqr4wwWQMPkR3sHicO3npY3losu4LtJQwxBInrerGaMj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/29/2013 8:29 PM, kevin redding wrote: > > Old music like MYL but country would bank bucks. BIG TIME. Its not > really my thing but lots of people want it badly. I like elevator music > but play the old country to shut the riders up. They drive me insane > until I play it. It doesn't matter whether the riders are 20 or 80 here > they all ask me to play XM56 because they can't hear it anywhere else. Must be a regional thing. I'm more of a Prime Country type, myself [XM58- more recent oldies.] One of the two classic country stations I could hear went sports a few years ago and unfortunately it was the one in AM stereo. The remaining one is all hard-drinking bad-boy stuff. Anyhoo, more back on topic: are there any questions I didn't ask but should; maybe a refinement here or there; something that needs to be dropped from my survey? That's primarily what I posted for. 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So yes i= do agree. And in AM STEREO of corse!!! Jim S --- On Fri, 3/29/13, Dick W. wrote: From: Dick W. Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 29, 2013, 5:56 PM One observation I would make with regard to country music in general is tha= t=20 there is a big divide=C2=A0 between classic country and modern country.=C2= =A0 Classic=20 country listeners don't like, and don't listen to, modern country (and mayb= e=20 vice-versa, I don't know). Dick W. -----Original Message-----=20 From: Scott Todd Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:54 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; amstereo@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey Since there was no objection I've posted it below.=C2=A0 All subsequent discussion should be directed to me personally, however, so as not to divert the forum from its intended purpose.=C2=A0 Perhaps we can temporaril= y create a subgroup.=C2=A0 The idea is to help me formulate a better survey. If you care to take it yourself that's OK too, but not the main purpose of posting it.=C2=A0 FWIW- The reference to KTIS in the survey: it's the 80= 0 pound gorilla of Contemporary Christian Music radio in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. Scott Todd ---------- How likely would you listen to a Christian Country station if one were available? A. Very likely B. Occasionally C. Not personally interested but I know some people who might be. D. Not at all If you answered C or D no need to answer any further.=C2=A0 This is to gaug= e potential listener interest and your input is every bit as valuable. This is not some way of trying to get an ego trip off anyone.=C2=A0 If you answered A or B please continue: What era of country would you be most interested in? A. Strictly the new stuff B. Anything within the last 25 years onward C. Anything from 1970 onward D. The classics such as Patsy Cline and Tex Ritter E. Doesn=E2=80=99t matter- if it=E2=80=99s country then play it. The idea of this station is to eventually create a country equivalent to KTIS or K-LOVE.=C2=A0 There may be a problem with having enough material fo= r a full time format until the format matures, however.=C2=A0 With that in mind, would you have any objections if it played Christian songs by non-Christian artists such as Willy Nelson? A. Don=E2=80=99t mind at all.=C2=A0 If it=E2=80=99s good music it=E2=80=99s= good music. B. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. C. I=E2=80=99d wonder if the station were even Christian if those artists w= ere played. How about a bit of bluegrass added to the mix for the same reason? A. That would be great since they=E2=80=99re such closely related music typ= es. B. If it=E2=80=99s limited to artists also known for their country material= like Ricky Skaggs. C. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. D. Nope- that would dilute the format and listening experience Note- =E2=80=9Csouthern gospel=E2=80=9D will be avoided except in cases whe= re it could truly pass for country. A. Agreed- it tends to be too hokey anyway B. Why not?=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s also on the same musical tree as country. How about =E2=80=9Cclean country=E2=80=9D- music that=E2=80=99s pro family = and doesn=E2=80=99t involve subjects like booze or infidelity but is not strictly speaking Christian? A. That would fit in quite well. By all means play it. B. A certain amount would be OK, maybe 20% C. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. D. Let=E2=80=99s try to keep this as Christian as possible Do you know of any Christian Country music artists and songs?=C2=A0 If so, please use the back side of this page and list some artist and title suggestions.=C2=A0 Any other comments would be welcome. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sat Mar 30 04:54:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86881 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2013 11:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2013 11:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2013 11:54:51 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MKH00MG12FE79A0@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <3897E624312044D0BDD4BB7EBCE9AC8F@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1364621242.2805.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1364621242.2805.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:54:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=KBwi3uttW2uRqGnPL2kOYebF1ODyNab1u_F57ovd0hJ3qr762V8n-qc X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warm greetings ! There is a Classic Music Greats country radio show starting at 10 o`clock t= his morning on Hometown Radio 1340 Stereo WIRY Plattsburg, NY... There are = usually at least 1 or 2 songs I really enjoy during the Gran` Ol` Opry Show= , not a big deal, but quite a lot for someone who`s classic country is not = his piece of cake... A question: is bluegrass considered as a country OR AS= A western subgenre ? I`m afraid the WIkipedia article about bluegrass was = well written, BUT the exemples were stil crummy and for someone that heard = bits and pieces of bluegrass before, what I heard sounded more like a mixtu= re of western and Irish music...maybe there are various kinds of bluegrass = ? Just some feed for thoughts ! May the Hi-Fi AM Stereo sound bless your ears ! Bogdan Chiochiu in western Montreal, QC From: jim smith=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: jim dale smith=20 Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 1:27 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey =20=20=20=20 Hi I also like classic country much better then mew country. So yes i do= agree. And in AM STEREO of corse!!! Jim S --- On Fri, 3/29/13, Dick W. wrote: From: Dick W. Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 29, 2013, 5:56 PM One observation I would make with regard to country music in general is t= hat=20 there is a big divide between classic country and modern country. Class= ic=20 country listeners don't like, and don't listen to, modern country (and ma= ybe=20 vice-versa, I don't know). Dick W. -----Original Message-----=20 From: Scott Todd Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:54 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; amstereo@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey Since there was no objection I've posted it below. All subsequent discussion should be directed to me personally, however, so as not to divert the forum from its intended purpose. Perhaps we can temporarily create a subgroup. The idea is to help me formulate a better survey. If you care to take it yourself that's OK too, but not the main purpose of posting it. FWIW- The reference to KTIS in the survey: it's the 800 pound gorilla of Contemporary Christian Music radio in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. Scott Todd ---------- How likely would you listen to a Christian Country station if one were available? A. Very likely B. Occasionally C. Not personally interested but I know some people who might be. D. Not at all If you answered C or D no need to answer any further. This is to gauge potential listener interest and your input is every bit as valuable. This is not some way of trying to get an ego trip off anyone. If you answered A or B please continue: What era of country would you be most interested in? A. Strictly the new stuff B. Anything within the last 25 years onward C. Anything from 1970 onward D. The classics such as Patsy Cline and Tex Ritter E. Doesn=E2=80=99t matter- if it=E2=80=99s country then play it. The idea of this station is to eventually create a country equivalent to KTIS or K-LOVE. There may be a problem with having enough material for a full time format until the format matures, however. With that in mind, would you have any objections if it played Christian songs by non-Christian artists such as Willy Nelson? A. Don=E2=80=99t mind at all. If it=E2=80=99s good music it=E2=80=99s go= od music. B. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased ou= t. C. I=E2=80=99d wonder if the station were even Christian if those artists= were played. How about a bit of bluegrass added to the mix for the same reason? A. That would be great since they=E2=80=99re such closely related music t= ypes. B. If it=E2=80=99s limited to artists also known for their country materi= al like Ricky Skaggs. C. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased ou= t. D. Nope- that would dilute the format and listening experience Note- =E2=80=9Csouthern gospel=E2=80=9D will be avoided except in cases w= here it could truly pass for country. A. Agreed- it tends to be too hokey anyway B. Why not? It=E2=80=99s also on the same musical tree as country. How about =E2=80=9Cclean country=E2=80=9D- music that=E2=80=99s pro famil= y and doesn=E2=80=99t involve subjects like booze or infidelity but is not strictly speaking Christian? A. That would fit in quite well. By all means play it. B. A certain amount would be OK, maybe 20% C. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased ou= t. D. Let=E2=80=99s try to keep this as Christian as possible Do you know of any Christian Country music artists and songs? If so, please use the back side of this page and list some artist and title suggestions. Any other comments would be welcome. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Mar 30 05:22:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39878 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2013 12:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2013 12:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173013pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.13) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2013 12:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [72.91.234.201]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MKH00LYN3OXK910@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 07:22:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <1364621242.2805.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3897E624312044D0BDD4BB7EBCE9AC8F@MirelaPC> In-reply-to: <3897E624312044D0BDD4BB7EBCE9AC8F@MirelaPC> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:22:11 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are at least a couple of types of bluegrass. Again, it is question o= f classic vs. modern. Modern bluegrass tends to be somewhat jazzy, with fa= ncy riffs and non-traditional chord sequences. Classic bluegrass (such as = Scruggs and Flatt, etc.) typically consists of simple and predictable 3-cho= rd (sometimes 4-chord) melodies, and is much more sentimental and folksy. = I sometimes refer to this as =E2=80=9Cmountain music=E2=80=9D to distinguis= h it from what the younger crowd is calling bluegrass. Although I respect = the great skills that are displayed in the playing of modern bluegrass, I i= nfinitely prefer the simple, often sentimental, ballads of classic or tradi= tional bluegrass.=20=20 Dick W. =20 From: Mirela Chiochiu=20 Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:54 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey =20=20 Warm greetings ! There is a Classic Music Greats country radio show starting at 10 o`clock t= his morning on Hometown Radio 1340 Stereo WIRY Plattsburg, NY... There are = usually at least 1 or 2 songs I really enjoy during the Gran` Ol` Opry Show= , not a big deal, but quite a lot for someone who`s classic country is not = his piece of cake... A question: is bluegrass considered as a country OR AS= A western subgenre ? I`m afraid the WIkipedia article about bluegrass was = well written, BUT the exemples were stil crummy and for someone that heard = bits and pieces of bluegrass before, what I heard sounded more like a mixtu= re of western and Irish music...maybe there are various kinds of bluegrass = ? Just some feed for thoughts ! May the Hi-Fi AM Stereo sound bless your ears ! Bogdan Chiochiu in western Montreal, QC From: jim smith=20 To: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: jim dale smith=20 Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 1:27 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey Hi I also like classic country much better then mew country. So yes i do ag= ree. And in AM STEREO of corse!!! Jim S --- On Fri, 3/29/13, Dick W. wrote: From: Dick W. Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey To: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 29, 2013, 5:56 PM One observation I would make with regard to country music in general is tha= t=20 there is a big divide between classic country and modern country. Classic=20 country listeners don't like, and don't listen to, modern country (and mayb= e=20 vice-versa, I don't know). Dick W. -----Original Message-----=20 From: Scott Todd Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:54 PM To: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com ; mailto:amstereo%40yahoogroups.= com Subject: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey Since there was no objection I've posted it below. All subsequent discussion should be directed to me personally, however, so as not to divert the forum from its intended purpose. Perhaps we can temporarily create a subgroup. The idea is to help me formulate a better survey. If you care to take it yourself that's OK too, but not the main purpose of posting it. FWIW- The reference to KTIS in the survey: it's the 800 pound gorilla of Contemporary Christian Music radio in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. Scott Todd ---------- How likely would you listen to a Christian Country station if one were available? A. Very likely B. Occasionally C. Not personally interested but I know some people who might be. D. Not at all If you answered C or D no need to answer any further. This is to gauge potential listener interest and your input is every bit as valuable. This is not some way of trying to get an ego trip off anyone. If you answered A or B please continue: What era of country would you be most interested in? A. Strictly the new stuff B. Anything within the last 25 years onward C. Anything from 1970 onward D. The classics such as Patsy Cline and Tex Ritter E. Doesn=E2=80=99t matter- if it=E2=80=99s country then play it. The idea of this station is to eventually create a country equivalent to KTIS or K-LOVE. There may be a problem with having enough material for a full time format until the format matures, however. With that in mind, would you have any objections if it played Christian songs by non-Christian artists such as Willy Nelson? A. Don=E2=80=99t mind at all. If it=E2=80=99s good music it=E2=80=99s good = music. B. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. C. I=E2=80=99d wonder if the station were even Christian if those artists w= ere played. How about a bit of bluegrass added to the mix for the same reason? A. That would be great since they=E2=80=99re such closely related music typ= es. B. If it=E2=80=99s limited to artists also known for their country material= like Ricky Skaggs. C. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. D. Nope- that would dilute the format and listening experience Note- =E2=80=9Csouthern gospel=E2=80=9D will be avoided except in cases whe= re it could truly pass for country. A. Agreed- it tends to be too hokey anyway B. Why not? It=E2=80=99s also on the same musical tree as country. How about =E2=80=9Cclean country=E2=80=9D- music that=E2=80=99s pro family = and doesn=E2=80=99t involve subjects like booze or infidelity but is not strictly speaking Christian? A. That would fit in quite well. By all means play it. B. A certain amount would be OK, maybe 20% C. I would understand and could accept it if it were eventually phased out. D. Let=E2=80=99s try to keep this as Christian as possible Do you know of any Christian Country music artists and songs? If so, please use the back side of this page and list some artist and title suggestions. 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(VPS 130330-0, 03/30/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Christian country radio interest survey X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=tMV2vskc5SufzKqVjiw6ELafv2a-VK9l9hyxa92UGU-7fil2N0RZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 3/30/2013 6:54 AM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > Warm greetings ! A question: is bluegrass > considered as a country OR AS A western subgenre ? I`m afraid the > WIkipedia article about bluegrass was well written, BUT the exemples > were stil crummy and for someone that heard bits and pieces of bluegrass > before, what I heard sounded more like a mixture of western and Irish > music...maybe there are various kinds of bluegrass ? Just some feed for > thoughts ! Bluegrass indeed does have slight similarity to Irish music. Its origins is the hills of WV, KY and TN where there is a fair amount of Scotch-Irish heritage. It has common roots with country. In fact, if you can add a pedal steel guitar to a piece of bluegrass it can automatically pass for country. Ricky Skaggs performs both genres with ease. Western isn't all that commonly found anymore. The songs tend to be fairly long, don't have quite the twang of country, and they most always tell a story. "Drifting Along With the Tumbling Tumbleweeds" by the Sons of the Pioneers is stereotypical western music. 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Your 100mW's TX Stereo=C2=A0go no ATU, This ante= nna great to AMStereo demo. Mlobile demo and tests !!=C2=A0 Great !! Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 1 april 2013 13:11 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20=20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 group. File : /AM CQUAM Transmitter Part15 DDS based/AM_Part15-219Antenna3m= 6.JPG=20 Uploaded by : pdmtr =20 Description : Part 15.219 Antenna for AM Transmitters, This is a 10.5 feet = Antenna! look photo folder for more!=20 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20CQUAM%20Transmitter%= 20Part15%20DDS%20based/AM_Part15-219Antenna3m6.JPG=20 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, pdmtr =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Apr 02 06:30:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31076 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2013 13:30:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2013 13:30:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.158) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2013 13:30:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 13:30:22 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 13:30:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:30:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1364829292.75866.YahooMailNeo@web133201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.198.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.198.13 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=z7DmZLSgREzp_xUJ_KqQfD1Gt4bfN8FC9_Vm_WbDVOE X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Roy=20 That antenna has been made to be the "one antenna solution" for the AM BCB = Part 15 users! It has an Antenna Tuning Unit taht with just a multimeter an= yone can tune it at the desired frequency of operation. This is not mine, i= t was made by another guy here, who makes FM,& VHF - HF antennas. I told hi= m one day why he hasn't make a low profile AM antenna, and guided him to th= e FCC Part 15.219 rules for the antenna lenth. He made it just 3.05m so it= s even less than the 11 foot of the rules (that conveted give us a 3.35m ma= x length)! And yes, uit can be even tuned by an newbee, in the fly! Three s= teps, and voila!!! No ground leads, or any radials, no special trimmings an= d adjustments! He brought it to me to check it together, if it is good enou= gh! We have installed it on roof top of our offices. Well... it worked! It = worked, and it worked so excellent (for just a 3m AM antenna) that I was am= azed! I couldn't believe that we could receive in a car radio during drivin= g around, a <100mW Tx signal, even at a distance of 2 miles or 3.2km (we di= d get it even a bit further ~2.5miles, but it wasn't solid enough to be lis= tenable by an "average Joe" listener)! And test area is heavy urban area, w= ith all buildings been concrete and about 5-10 level high, and inbetween th= em the roads are of no more than 5-15 meter wide!!! Not the best case scena= rio for Car radios AM reception I think!=20 I think it could be used for even some LPAM of up to 10-25W!=20 That is the next test I will do soon...=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > Sotris, > =C2=A0 > this antenna got ATU too?? Your 100mW's TX Stereo=C2=A0go no ATU, This an= tenna great to AMStereo demo. > Mlobile demo and tests !!=C2=A0 Great !! >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu >=20=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=A5n: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 1 april 2013 13:11 > =C3=84mne: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20=20=20 > =C2=A0=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /AM CQUAM Transmitter Part15 DDS based/AM_Part15-219Antenna= 3m6.JPG=20 > Uploaded by : pdmtr =20 > Description : Part 15.219 Antenna for AM Transmitters, This is a 10.5 fee= t Antenna! look photo folder for more!=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20CQUAM%20Transmitte= r%20Part15%20DDS%20based/AM_Part15-219Antenna3m6.JPG=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, >=20 > pdmtr >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From radio774@yahoo.se Tue Apr 02 07:14:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13478 invoked from network); 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Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:14:35 BST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,R1JFQVQgZG9uZSwKwqAKSWYgaXQgY2FuwqAgaGFuZGxlwqAxMDBtVydzIHVwIHRvIDI1IHdhdHRzIGluIEFNU3RlcmVvIGl0IHdpbGwgYmUgc3VwZXJiLiBPbmUgc3RlcCBhaGVhZCEhIQoKQmVzdHMgZnJvbQpSb3kgU2FuZGdyZW4KQm94IDE0MDA2ClNlLTIwMDI0IE1hbG1vClNXRURFTsKgwqDCoMKgwqAgd3d3LnJhZGlvc3lkLmV1CiAKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcsOlbjogcGRtdHIgPHBkbXRyQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4KVGlsbDogYW1zdGVyZW9mb3J1bUB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy4BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.140.532 References: <1364829292.75866.YahooMailNeo@web133201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364912075.57170.YahooMailNeo@web133204.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:14:35 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 77.238.189.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: SV: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=QnXQXwMtUNTe-bBt6Gi5AKh23_mOAg5q-CGnlq0vOI3Ifi4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GREAT done, =C2=A0 If it can=C2=A0 handle=C2=A0100mW's up to 25 watts in AMStereo it will be s= uperb. One step ahead!!! Bests from Roy Sandgren Box 14006 Se-20024 Malmo SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: pdmtr Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Skickat: tisdag, 2 april 2013 15:30 =C3=84mne: Re: SV: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20=20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 Hi Roy=20 That antenna has been made to be the "one antenna solution" for the AM BCB = Part 15 users! It has an Antenna Tuning Unit taht with just a multimeter an= yone can tune it at the desired frequency of operation. This is not mine, i= t was made by another guy here, who makes FM,& VHF - HF antennas. I told hi= m one day why he hasn't make a low profile AM antenna, and guided him to th= e FCC Part 15.219 rules for the antenna lenth. He made it just 3.05m so it= s even less than the 11 foot of the rules (that conveted give us a 3.35m ma= x length)! And yes, uit can be even tuned by an newbee, in the fly! Three s= teps, and voila!!! No ground leads, or any radials, no special trimmings an= d adjustments! He brought it to me to check it together, if it is good enou= gh! We have installed it on roof top of our offices. Well... it worked! It = worked, and it worked so excellent (for just a 3m AM antenna) that I was am= azed! I couldn't believe that we could receive in a car radio during driving around, a <100mW Tx signal, even at a distance of 2 miles or 3.2km= (we did get it even a bit further ~2.5miles, but it wasn't solid enough to= be listenable by an "average Joe" listener)! And test area is heavy urban = area, with all buildings been concrete and about 5-10 level high, and inbet= ween them the roads are of no more than 5-15 meter wide!!! Not the best cas= e scenario for Car radios AM reception I think!=20 I think it could be used for even some LPAM of up to 10-25W!=20 That is the next test I will do soon...=20 --- In mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren = wrote: > > Sotris, > =C3=82=C2=A0 > this antenna got ATU too?? Your 100mW's TX Stereo=C3=82=C2=A0go no ATU, T= his antenna great to AMStereo demo. > Mlobile demo and tests !!=C3=82=C2=A0 Great !! >=20 > Bests from > Roy Sandgren > Box 14006 > Se-20024 Malmo > SWEDEN=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0=C3=82=C2=A0 www.ra= diosyd.eu >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Fr=C3=83=C2=A5n: "mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.commailto:amstereof= orum%40yahoogroups.com> > Till: mailto:amstereoforum%40yahoogroups.com=20 > Skickat: m=C3=83=C2=A5ndag, 1 april 2013 13:11 > =C3=83=E2=80=9Emne: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0=20 >=20 >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /AM CQUAM Transmitter Part15 DDS based/AM_Part15-219Antenna= 3m6.JPG=20 > Uploaded by : pdmtr =20 > Description : Part 15.219 Antenna for AM Transmitters, This is a 10.5 fee= t Antenna! look photo folder for more!=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20CQUAM%20Transmitte= r%20Part15%20DDS%20based/AM_Part15-219Antenna3m6.JPG=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, >=20 > pdmtr >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Tue Apr 02 16:40:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83887 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2013 23:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2013 23:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.31) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2013 23:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 23:40:18 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 23:40:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 23:40:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.96 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: the Sony CFS 6000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=jpNcBDdcGXSN8k928Cgf-_oGJIdQTuzFFd7T8OkBpjyGZpDallQyZwo X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Hello to all of you ! The Sony CFS 6000 ordered from Chris Cuff arrived today and it is in excell= ent shape ! I even received WIRY in a Verdun basement with near Hi-Fi and T= UNING red light indicator WITHOUT the PK loop until the noise from a washin= g machine smashed the reception and make it more difficult. So far, it is slightly BETTER than the previous one BECAUSE it rewinds and = forwards faster and the ergonomics are also extremely nice as it has a RED = AM STEREO exclamation in the tape deck area ! Very windy weather today in MTL, so I could not take the radio outside, see= ms like the winter made a quick come-back. I may travel to northern New Jersey around Orthodox Eastern so maybe I will= hear WHWH and tape record it. Do you know if WHWH reaches areas like Jerse= y City ? It playes nice Spanish GOSPEL like the old monaural RVC 530 relay = in Turks and Caicos, so I might enjoy that a bit more than *some* of the cl= assic country material on WIRY. WHWH`s stereo feed was restored in 2012 and= I hope in 2013 WHWH - Radio Jesus Rey de los Reyes is still C-Quam more th= an a year later. Anyway, it is great to record music from the radio in AM stereo using a boo= mbox. Has anyone ever used the Sanyo MW 250 ? Is it sensitive for deep frin= ge semi-local in AM ST wide mode ? Just by curiosity, because I don`t reall= y need one, but would love to TRY one in the distant future...though the CF= S 6000 is perhaps better because it uses the same tuner circuitry as the A1= 00 micro-boombox. Thanks for sharing your C-Quam DXperiences ! Warm greetings and may the C-QUAM mid-Fi / Hi-Fi sounds bless your ears, Bogdan Chiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Tue Apr 02 16:46:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31113 invoked by uid 102); 2 Apr 2013 23:46:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2013 23:46:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21693 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2013 23:46:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.8) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2013 23:46:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 23:46:26 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 23:46:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 23:46:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.96 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=0On6maBDscqHVyTQsHdlE1vvxBOD9hXw5BaxvP8-KUH_3T1qFisugpg X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu I wonder if Part 15 is also allowed by our FCC, the CRTC !!! Curiosity enqu= ires ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > Hi Roy=20 > That antenna has been made to be the "one antenna solution" for the AM BC= B Part 15 users! It has an Antenna Tuning Unit taht with just a multimeter = anyone can tune it at the desired frequency of operation. This is not mine,= it was made by another guy here, who makes FM,& VHF - HF antennas. I told = him one day why he hasn't make a low profile AM antenna, and guided him to = the FCC Part 15.219 rules for the antenna lenth. He made it just 3.05m so = its even less than the 11 foot of the rules (that conveted give us a 3.35m = max length)! And yes, uit can be even tuned by an newbee, in the fly! Three= steps, and voila!!! No ground leads, or any radials, no special trimmings = and adjustments! He brought it to me to check it together, if it is good en= ough! We have installed it on roof top of our offices. Well... it worked! I= t worked, and it worked so excellent (for just a 3m AM antenna) that I was = amazed! I couldn't believe that we could receive in a car radio during driv= ing around, a <100mW Tx signal, even at a distance of 2 miles or 3.2km (we = did get it even a bit further ~2.5miles, but it wasn't solid enough to be l= istenable by an "average Joe" listener)! And test area is heavy urban area,= with all buildings been concrete and about 5-10 level high, and inbetween = them the roads are of no more than 5-15 meter wide!!! Not the best case sce= nario for Car radios AM reception I think!=20 > I think it could be used for even some LPAM of up to 10-25W!=20 > That is the next test I will do soon...=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Roy Sandgren wrote: > > > > Sotris, > > =C2=A0 > > this antenna got ATU too?? Your 100mW's TX Stereo=C2=A0go no ATU, This = antenna great to AMStereo demo. > > Mlobile demo and tests !!=C2=A0 Great !! > >=20 > > Bests from > > Roy Sandgren > > Box 14006 > > Se-20024 Malmo > > SWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu > >=20=20 > >=20 > > ________________________________ > > Fr=C3=A5n: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" > > Till: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Skickat: m=C3=A5ndag, 1 april 2013 13:11 > > =C3=84mne: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > >=20=20=20 > > =C2=A0=20=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > > Hello, > >=20 > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > > group. > >=20 > > File : /AM CQUAM Transmitter Part15 DDS based/AM_Part15-219Anten= na3m6.JPG=20 > > Uploaded by : pdmtr =20 > > Description : Part 15.219 Antenna for AM Transmitters, This is a 10.5 f= eet Antenna! look photo folder for more!=20 > >=20 > > You can access this file at the URL: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20CQUAM%20Transmit= ter%20Part15%20DDS%20based/AM_Part15-219Antenna3m6.JPG=20 > >=20 > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > > Regards, > >=20 > > pdmtr > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Tue Apr 02 17:10:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8779 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2013 00:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2013 00:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s10.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.212) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2013 00:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W52 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:10:09 -0700 X-EIP: [bB76Oay3j+fO0q9/F4yEoXSUn4cYyxYJ] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:10:09 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2013 00:10:09.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A820020:01CE2FFF] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} the Sony CFS 6000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=s8HPwGQ7kDBTJk8r09X7OW4vsVK-rcA3zjDoM59Jzm-RoCf_xNiDN4g1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bogdan I'm glad it got to you safely, and wish you good luck with it. Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: acq@videotron.ca Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:40:17 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} the Sony CFS 6000 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hello to all of you ! The Sony CFS 6000 ordered from Chris Cuff arrived today and it is in excell= ent shape ! I even received WIRY in a Verdun basement with near Hi-Fi and T= UNING red light indicator WITHOUT the PK loop until the noise from a washin= g machine smashed the reception and make it more difficult. So far, it is slightly BETTER than the previous one BECAUSE it rewinds and = forwards faster and the ergonomics are also extremely nice as it has a RED = AM STEREO exclamation in the tape deck area ! Very windy weather today in MTL, so I could not take the radio outside, see= ms like the winter made a quick come-back. I may travel to northern New Jersey around Orthodox Eastern so maybe I will= hear WHWH and tape record it. Do you know if WHWH reaches areas like Jerse= y City ? It playes nice Spanish GOSPEL like the old monaural RVC 530 relay = in Turks and Caicos, so I might enjoy that a bit more than *some* of the cl= assic country material on WIRY. WHWH`s stereo feed was restored in 2012 and= I hope in 2013 WHWH - Radio Jesus Rey de los Reyes is still C-Quam more th= an a year later. Anyway, it is great to record music from the radio in AM stereo using a boo= mbox. Has anyone ever used the Sanyo MW 250 ? Is it sensitive for deep frin= ge semi-local in AM ST wide mode ? Just by curiosity, because I don`t reall= y need one, but would love to TRY one in the distant future...though the CF= S 6000 is perhaps better because it uses the same tuner circuitry as the A1= 00 micro-boombox. Thanks for sharing your C-Quam DXperiences ! Warm greetings and may the C-QUAM mid-Fi / Hi-Fi sounds bless your ears, Bogdan Chiochiu =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Tue Apr 02 17:10:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25293 invoked by uid 102); 3 Apr 2013 00:10:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2013 00:10:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28196 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2013 00:10:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.189) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2013 00:10:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 00:10:35 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 00:10:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 00:10:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.96 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: WHWH Radio Jesus Rey de los Reyes coverage map ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=xSjfZN-79BhcsU5wouB40XPFy-A5BaG7LhzLkzWrF4DnN5GABDsSEgM X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Warm greetings ! We are planning a trip in the near future to the Jersey City area barely so= uth of NYC and I do not see Jersey City mentioned in the main coverage map = of WHWH-1350; would I still be able to tune them marginally ? Are they stil= l C-Quam ? The music sounds an eclectic blend of Spanish gospel variety that encopass = both gospel pops and gospel trops... They also have some preachers... I thi= nk they do sound like Radio Vision Cristiana. If so, I believe 1330 might Q= RM severely in AM Wide mode... It is likely however in AM NORMAL ST mode I = would still get fairly nice audio... Just some feed for thoughts ! I recall= a message from severa months ago from the chief engineer at WHWH 1350. Are= they still running C-Quam as of 2013 or they changed C-QUAM status ? Such = enlightment desserve to be Quad ! May the good DX be with you all ! Bogdan Chiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Tue Apr 02 17:35:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 257 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2013 00:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2013 00:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.153) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2013 00:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 00:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 00:35:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 00:35:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.96 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: {AMSF} the Sony CFS 6000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=PAM-oCefwbW8IhBfQ7R2SbAEdbFVW8sGqYRxP6lPTEa6ijyzukpTrTc X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu A BIG thanks ! I will send a file or more of WIRY VERSUS LOCAL FM for you and others to co= mpare, but I need an encoding cable for that and I forgot it at my regular = QTH... In the mean time, I wonder if WQUN 1220 or WINY 1350 are possible fr= om your Connecticut QTH as they might be in your neck of the wood, right ? I think listening to a LOCAL in C-QUAM is even more challenging from a Hi-F= i perspective than listening to a SEMI-local or a SKYWAVE sig... May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote: > > Hi Bogdan > I'm glad it got to you safely, and wish you good luck with it. > Chris >=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: acq@... > Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:40:17 +0000 > Subject: {AMSF} the Sony CFS 6000 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Hello to all of you ! >=20 >=20 >=20 > The Sony CFS 6000 ordered from Chris Cuff arrived today and it is in exce= llent shape ! I even received WIRY in a Verdun basement with near Hi-Fi and= TUNING red light indicator WITHOUT the PK loop until the noise from a wash= ing machine smashed the reception and make it more difficult. >=20 >=20 >=20 > So far, it is slightly BETTER than the previous one BECAUSE it rewinds an= d forwards faster and the ergonomics are also extremely nice as it has a RE= D AM STEREO exclamation in the tape deck area ! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Very windy weather today in MTL, so I could not take the radio outside, s= eems like the winter made a quick come-back. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I may travel to northern New Jersey around Orthodox Eastern so maybe I wi= ll hear WHWH and tape record it. Do you know if WHWH reaches areas like Jer= sey City ? It playes nice Spanish GOSPEL like the old monaural RVC 530 rela= y in Turks and Caicos, so I might enjoy that a bit more than *some* of the = classic country material on WIRY. WHWH`s stereo feed was restored in 2012 a= nd I hope in 2013 WHWH - Radio Jesus Rey de los Reyes is still C-Quam more = than a year later. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Anyway, it is great to record music from the radio in AM stereo using a b= oombox. Has anyone ever used the Sanyo MW 250 ? Is it sensitive for deep fr= inge semi-local in AM ST wide mode ? Just by curiosity, because I don`t rea= lly need one, but would love to TRY one in the distant future...though the = CFS 6000 is perhaps better because it uses the same tuner circuitry as the = A100 micro-boombox. Thanks for sharing your C-Quam DXperiences ! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Warm greetings and may the C-QUAM mid-Fi / Hi-Fi sounds bless your ears, >=20 > Bogdan Chiochiu >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Apr 02 18:12:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39084 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2013 01:12:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2013 01:12:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s31.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.170) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2013 01:12:46 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP248 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s31.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:12:46 -0700 X-EIP: [htfo9mWY267IcyQRsjFDWAwFor6RLCFU] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([71.229.186.25]) by BLU0-SMTP248.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:12:45 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:12:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2013 01:12:45.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[593F5F00:01CE3008] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: items available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=74iUfBhCRf_sLmEXnhXVs8sZSEp4tc-fGHvqK_gIng6S X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd some items for sale. complete list and prices.... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=FIfdfheOSzKEALzz_EhBfmhofbnEd9cLye6_tllaclYI2kkC X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bogdan,=A0 http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=3DWHWH&service=3DAM&status=3DL&ho= urs=3DN WHWH serves Central New Jersey; in Jersey City, your radio dial will most l= ikely be dominated by NYC stations, but you might get lucky around local su= nrise or sunset :-). Or, you could make a mini-DXpedition if you will have = a car; New Brunswick and Trenton are also on the main train line from NYC t= o Phila.=A0 Regards,=A0 Keith Beesley (ex-New Jerseyan and regular visitor to NJ) ________________________________ From: bogdanchiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: {AMSF} WHWH Radio Jesus Rey de los Reyes coverage map ? =20 Warm greetings ! We are planning a trip in the near future to the Jersey City area barely so= uth of NYC and I do not see Jersey City mentioned in the main coverage map = of WHWH-1350; would I still be able to tune them marginally ? Are they stil= l C-Quam ? The music sounds an eclectic blend of Spanish gospel variety that encopass = both gospel pops and gospel trops... They also have some preachers... I thi= nk they do sound like Radio Vision Cristiana. If so, I believe 1330 might Q= RM severely in AM Wide mode... It is likely however in AM NORMAL ST mode I = would still get fairly nice audio... Just some feed for thoughts ! I recall= a message from severa months ago from the chief engineer at WHWH 1350. Are= they still running C-Quam as of 2013 or they changed C-QUAM status ? Such = enlightment desserve to be Quad ! May the good DX be with you all ! Bogdan Chiochiu ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=TBxg38dp5zRzsz_J6kQG9eRFmalix3ky7WsbO27ymjq0Aw X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 We are still running c-quam Neal CE WHWH Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:10 PM, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > Warm greetings ! >=20 > We are planning a trip in the near future to the Jersey City area barely = south of NYC and I do not see Jersey City mentioned in the main coverage ma= p of WHWH-1350; would I still be able to tune them marginally ? Are they st= ill C-Quam ? >=20 > The music sounds an eclectic blend of Spanish gospel variety that encopas= s both gospel pops and gospel trops... They also have some preachers... I t= hink they do sound like Radio Vision Cristiana. If so, I believe 1330 might= QRM severely in AM Wide mode... It is likely however in AM NORMAL ST mode = I would still get fairly nice audio... Just some feed for thoughts ! I reca= ll a message from severa months ago from the chief engineer at WHWH 1350. A= re they still running C-Quam as of 2013 or they changed C-QUAM status ? Suc= h enlightment desserve to be Quad ! >=20 > May the good DX be with you all ! > Bogdan Chiochiu >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From acq@videotron.ca Wed Apr 03 14:53:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62037 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2013 21:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2013 21:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.58) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2013 21:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 21:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 21:53:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:53:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.132 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHWH Radio Jesus Rey de los Reyes coverage map ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=oLu3VGlZw9lUd2OqZeu8NTnHxrjdGjvG7BQY1WMEoED-LeFh_eUFkb4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Thanks for running C-QUAM and keep up the good work ! Also thanks for being= a member of AMSF ! Warm greetings, Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman wrote: > > We are still running c-quam >=20 > Neal CE WHWH >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:10 PM, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: >=20 > > Warm greetings ! > >=20 > > We are planning a trip in the near future to the Jersey City area barel= y south of NYC and I do not see Jersey City mentioned in the main coverage = map of WHWH-1350; would I still be able to tune them marginally ? Are they = still C-Quam ? > >=20 > > The music sounds an eclectic blend of Spanish gospel variety that encop= ass both gospel pops and gospel trops... They also have some preachers... I= think they do sound like Radio Vision Cristiana. If so, I believe 1330 mig= ht QRM severely in AM Wide mode... It is likely however in AM NORMAL ST mod= e I would still get fairly nice audio... Just some feed for thoughts ! I re= call a message from severa months ago from the chief engineer at WHWH 1350.= Are they still running C-Quam as of 2013 or they changed C-QUAM status ? S= uch enlightment desserve to be Quad ! > >=20 > > May the good DX be with you all ! > > Bogdan Chiochiu > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > > > From jazzeum@yahoo.ca Wed Apr 03 18:11:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jazzeum@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34458 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2013 01:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2013 01:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.141) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2013 01:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 01:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 01:11:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 01:11:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.242.169.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.242.169.199 From: "jazzeum" Subject: Looking for AX 10 Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52903432; y=NFSp-osaj0488z7ZwYpKqH6vVfKiulFXQkPW_4zApGF-lA X-Yahoo-Profile: jazzeum Hello, Our radio group just purchased two more AM stations - one of which has a BE= transmitter with a C-QUAM exciter. The other, unfortunately does not have= an C-QUAM exciter. That needs to be fixed.=20=20 Does anyone on the board have an extra AX 10 that they would be willing to = part with? This will be installed on a 1KW AM station in the Rochester, NY= market. A Delta ASE-2 would work too. Please PM me with any info.=20=20 Thanks. Brian From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Apr 03 19:30:57 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69849 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2013 02:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2013 02:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.174) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2013 02:30:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365042656; bh=CScaMlCElugMwu7xh4XvhhaQTiE+klnLAMiKeEMLc4c=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=g1hk9e9ZFpXilGU+QrDfV097fT1Nk5ts8gm5/UmYKOGMeGvWiDiMw7f7cLKs/ckG7BERfgBO3x/Mqeda6IemgJavVuy1VTSGEK3839igSWt8U+JdCAPhBmL6xKztdcbDmFAY3rWKETwB9c6mpAuZbLaTR2y6FOpbzi8RbBEMMgc= Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 02:30:56 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 02:30:56 -0000 Date: 4 Apr 2013 02:30:55 -0000 Message-ID: <1365042655.20967.62630.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_versus_Rythme_FM.wav Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Which one sounds better in Verdun to your OWN ears ? Rythme FM 105.7 or WIRY 1340 AM Stereo ? Why ? I remain silent as I won`t give clues, so your comments are even more welcome ! Warm greetings ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_versus_Rythme_FM.wav To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Apr 03 21:38:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65349 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2013 04:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2013 04:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-oa0-f45.google.com) (209.85.219.45) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2013 04:38:00 -0000 X-Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o6so2368305oag.32 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:37:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.20.225 with SMTP id q1mr2951906oee.31.1365050279626; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:37:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.60.144.165 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:37:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1365042655.20967.62630.w9@yahoogroups.com> References: <1365042655.20967.62630.w9@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:37:59 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=gROh3eSIbx6hFqoMkNvWQZWTh8a0Of-3-AV5J6iMLtk1WLnj X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The AM is too noisy and the FM is too compressed. The underlying sound in the AM is ok but the average person off the street won't tolerate the buzzing. On 4 April 2013 10:30, wrote: > ** > > > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_versus_Rythme_FM.wav > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu > Description : Which one sounds better in Verdun to your OWN ears ? Rythme > FM 105.7 or WIRY 1340 AM Stereo ? Why ? I remain silent as I won`t give > clues, so your comments are even more welcome ! Warm greetings ! > > You can access this file at the URL: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_versus_Ryt= hme_FM.wav > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, > > bogdanchiochiu > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Thu Apr 04 15:29:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83104 invoked by uid 102); 4 Apr 2013 22:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2013 22:28:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2779 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2013 22:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.141) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2013 22:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 22:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 22:28:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 22:28:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.98 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=NYxBn1HKslyYXCaFQoulKCL2QbyYV0qItS9-i4xxbj1qXAmLdqqC4Do X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Hello ! I agree with you, as the AM sound off the AM Wide filter and the AM Normal = is way too narrow. A good compromise might be a ULTRA-NORMAL filter like th= e one in use in the Sony CFS 3000 which gives good mid-Fi audio for WIRY. U= nfortunatly, this rx is only AM Mono-FM Stereo... The Sony SRF A100 had a medium position between NORMAL and WIDE AM, not the= Sony CFS 6000 unless you keep the button pressed with your own hands... We= ll... Thanks for your reply ! Bogdan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > The AM is too noisy and the FM is too compressed. >=20 > The underlying sound in the AM is ok but the average person off the stree= t > won't tolerate the buzzing. >=20 >=20 > On 4 April 2013 10:30, wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > > group. > > > > File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_versus_Rythme_FM.wav > > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu > > Description : Which one sounds better in Verdun to your OWN ears ? Ryth= me > > FM 105.7 or WIRY 1340 AM Stereo ? Why ? I remain silent as I won`t give > > clues, so your comments are even more welcome ! Warm greetings ! > > > > You can access this file at the URL: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_versus_R= ythme_FM.wav > > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > > Regards, > > > > bogdanchiochiu > > > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 04 15:58:40 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35994 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2013 22:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2013 22:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.158) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2013 22:58:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365116320; bh=4sK4EYFBj9wWFgEJrG7Ac1iqcw7oMQwa6avpKiAkcXM=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DSzptcdUt4cH5aq57zZ81Ww3i0zIXAVC1c3ivROuAmETDwAbg7Si+yP7lRTntkTyeEYGwRxUf0ZA6jCFPT/fDQcVqFr1Ez+Sh/a8rIHesOqukLGcWchfS+4ymB9Hje417CrFPxW8sPUxETkZ3OVfzyXnnfsb5F8LNqAfRB3DdDA= Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 22:58:40 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 22:58:40 -0000 Date: 4 Apr 2013 22:58:40 -0000 Message-ID: <1365116320.14240.24973.w11@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/CFGL_WIRY_tuning_C-QUAM_Multiplex.wav Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : I hope this one is an improved exemple of AM stereo versus FM stereo... The separation is quite good for a countr song and the file was made to kind of equalize the natural aspects and artifacts of both AM and FM broadcasting... Any comments ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/CFGL_WIRY_tuning_C-QUAM_Multiplex.wav To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 06:38:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72975 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2013 13:38:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2013 13:38:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.139) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2013 13:38:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2013 13:38:05 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2013 13:38:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:38:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded Comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=33CiZ6dxN7HozpRenIVDq-YmfIK8hrHrNqBcl6zvnHQfxJLhyg0lYNs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Bogdan, you're quite a ways outside of WIRY's city grade coverage area - yo= u need to get into Clinton County and record there, then I'll think people = will be more impressed with WIRY's quality. 73 John PS: I think the SRF-A100 only has Wide & Narrow bandwidths, and the Wide wa= s about 12.5KHz audio with the tone turned all the way up on treble. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: Sony CFS 3000 which gives good mid-Fi audio for WIRY.=20 From robd@wi.rr.com Fri Apr 05 07:02:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: robd@wi.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63373 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2013 14:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2013 14:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.96) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2013 14:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2013 14:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2013 14:02:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:02:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.83.168.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.83.168.130 From: "Robert D" Subject: plans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81604182; y=U_2CtftJUmrCwvscXR0KznJFdj9szm1W_Nc6II5khMj2GBha X-Yahoo-Profile: robd53154 does any one have the plans for this antenna :) I would love to fire up my = am stereo xmitter with this! Thanks Robert From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Apr 05 09:24:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13637 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2013 16:24:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2013 16:24:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2013 16:24:08 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 18EEA1C000137 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:24:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mge003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 81DF7E000086 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <5c3e7.142afe25.3e9054a7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:24:07 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:412717120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c9515efaa70245 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=gT5hVlHLgPYn7ktouzRvuA9DKH4O5eUc11cwMICytmEqIzJy6WjG X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 From the picture of the antenna it looks fairly straightforward with some top-hat spokes and some kind of top-loading coil. Here in the USA we are limited to a 3-meter long antenna and top-hat spoke loading is frowned upon by the FCC inspectors unless the top hat radius is counted as part of the length of the antenna. To be fully legal the antenna should only be a straight copper wire or pipe 3-meters long with no top hat and should be ground mounted, with the transmitter located directly at the antenna base, as any feedline to a remote transmitter is counted as part of the antenna length also. Likewise any ground lead is also counted as part of the antenna length, so the ground lead should be as short as possible although any radials laying on the ground can be as long as you like. So if someone tried to mount the antenna and transmitter above ground on the top of a pipe, the length of the pipe or any ground lead going down the pipe would be counted as the length of the ground lead and should be subtracted from the length of the antenna. I wonder how the antenna in the picture can work well without any ground radials? I have had many years experience with part-15 antennas for the broadcast band and none of them would work well without an extensive ground radial system. Sitting on the rooftop of a 6-story building could only help.. We will probably need more details of the exact hook-up Thanks for the pictures! 73 Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 4/2/2013 9:30:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pdmtr@yahoo.com writes: Hi Roy That antenna has been made to be the "one antenna solution" for the AM BCB Part 15 users! It has an Antenna Tuning Unit taht with just a multimeter anyone can tune it at the desired frequency of operation. This is not mine, it was made by another guy here, who makes FM,& VHF - HF antennas. I told him one day why he hasn't make a low profile AM antenna, and guided him to the FCC Part 15.219 rules for the antenna lenth. He made it just 3.05m so its even less than the 11 foot of the rules (that conveted give us a 3.35m max length)! And yes, uit can be even tuned by an newbee, in the fly! Three steps, and voila!!! No ground leads, or any radials, no special trimmings and adjustments! From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 05 16:52:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44984 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2013 23:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2013 23:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-06.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.166) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2013 23:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.19] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130405185248102258700010> for ; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 18:52:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <515F63BE.2050902@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 18:52:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 18:52:48 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130405-1, 04/05/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for AX 10 Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=zPQoCxtCiH9N2ubsPo94NTu8NCUvMd9y1mzY6hp276lEMYuve847 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/3/2013 8:11 PM, jazzeum wrote: > Hello, > > Our radio group just purchased two more AM stations - one of which has a > BE transmitter with a C-QUAM exciter. The other, unfortunately does not > have an C-QUAM exciter. That needs to be fixed. > > Does anyone on the board have an extra AX 10 that they would be willing > to part with? This will be installed on a 1KW AM station in the > Rochester, NY market. A Delta ASE-2 would work too. > > Please PM me with any info. I don't have any to part with, but there are a number of resources to check such as www.thebdr.net and post an item wanted message. There's also http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermail/broadcast for the Broadcast message reflector. Pretty good chance you'll find something there. And don't forget eBay, either. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 05 17:04:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10748 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2013 00:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2013 00:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-02.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.152) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2013 00:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.19] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130405190421100250800010> for ; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 19:04:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <515F6672.9060706@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 19:04:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 19:04:21 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1365042655.20967.62630.w9@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1365042655.20967.62630.w9@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130405-1, 04/05/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=t4ZOQD4aU9SVSSgZMADvNpnQxRBY4Irrk1RpBAcweFI3-qMn_GbW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/3/2013 9:31 PM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_versus_Rythme_FM.wav > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu > > Description : Which one sounds better in Verdun to your OWN ears ? > Rythme FM 105.7 or WIRY 1340 AM Stereo ? Why ? I remain silent as I > won`t give clues, so your comments are even more welcome ! Warm greetings ! > > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_versus_Rythme_FM.wav > I'm getting a File not found message. Scott Todd From acq@videotron.ca Sat Apr 06 00:34:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93750 invoked by uid 102); 6 Apr 2013 07:34:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2013 07:34:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22187 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2013 07:34:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2013 07:34:10 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MKT0057FP0W4S20@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 03:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <8BBEF2D6715F4BC2A03D22BD0C6272EF@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1365042655.20967.62630.w9@yahoogroups.com> <515F6672.9060706@usfamily.net> In-reply-to: <515F6672.9060706@usfamily.net> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 03:33:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=A4uU4nkDwgzSM2dtC6UWVFp_8d7rz5gsJoebwVJsP-OcdJISLMJ58_U X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I replaced it with a better sounding one recorded in a lower noisy condition... May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum On 4/3/2013 9:31 PM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_versus_Rythme_FM.wav > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu > > Description : Which one sounds better in Verdun to your OWN ears ? > Rythme FM 105.7 or WIRY 1340 AM Stereo ? Why ? I remain silent as I > won`t give clues, so your comments are even more welcome ! Warm greetings ! > > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_versus_Rythme_FM.wav > I'm getting a File not found message. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sat Apr 06 00:36:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22544 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2013 07:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2013 07:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2013 07:36:07 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MKT007GVP455D70@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 03:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1365116320.14240.24973.w11@yahoogroups.com> In-reply-to: <1365116320.14240.24973.w11@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 03:35:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=1NrZxPIzhAOgwhRd46wIpQqwPrD19NZAbgFF_XMi6SOk1fHGkq_SqXc X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This one should prove at least (if you do not care about platform motion) that wide band C-QUAM has better Hi-Fi than wide Multiplex FM... Anyone got that one ? Bogdan Btw.: Platform motion = critical hours before other graveyarders make things even more mushy sounding on 1340 in Verdun AND Pierrefonds ----- Original Message ----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 6:58 PM Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/CFGL_WIRY_tuning_C-QUAM_Multiplex.wav Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : I hope this one is an improved exemple of AM stereo versus FM stereo... The separation is quite good for a countr song and the file was made to kind of equalize the natural aspects and artifacts of both AM and FM broadcasting... Any comments ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/CFGL_WIRY_tuning_C-QUAM_Multiplex.wav To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Apr 06 04:41:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94198 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2013 11:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2013 11:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gg0-f175.google.com) (209.85.161.175) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2013 11:41:39 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gg0-f175.google.com with SMTP id l1so718977ggn.20 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 04:41:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.6.194 with SMTP id 42mr8659789yhn.113.1365248498626; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 04:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.14] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v48sm26704039yhi.26.2013.04.06.04.41.35 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Apr 2013 04:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 07:41:33 -0400 Message-Id: References: <1365116320.14240.24973.w11@yahoogroups.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=cCO2bZ13dSIyxOa6EucsKhZhWYuvLQm49Uo93-EcBIpMkuGOXXDYjO6PBaTIRA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 6, 2013, at 3:35 AM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > This one should prove at least (if you do not care about platform motion) that wide band C-QUAM has better Hi-Fi than wide Multiplex FM... > > Anyone got that one ? Yes, that one works great. Yes it does show that AM Stereo sounds better. Back in the day, WESC used to simulcast AM 660 and FM 92.5 and the AM always sounded better. Same with WGUL in Tampa. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 07 11:06:48 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37714 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2013 18:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2013 18:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.48) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2013 18:06:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365358007; bh=l2izbSS7X/7DmDhv347UAfhrbzAJwLFeKDbMwPO+/9g=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ybeNLs0CUGTpSvMMtPfAc/XZyypNY2w1yN2gdmRJhNzHGG2lCVWNgfcDzXIAdBaDP0kF0fQYQsXYyvFGuUtltckr48K7nkG4Hl12W5iXSpisuqEMjgttYjazTvnKVrvEyc3aoHR5eVUypm1aSvzE7ZKf7+kKL8Nh5iM6KbkT4+M= Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2013 18:06:47 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2013 18:06:47 -0000 Date: 7 Apr 2013 18:06:44 -0000 Message-ID: <1365358004.2566.65673.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/01_-_CFCO_-_true_Hi-Fi_no_QRM_no_platform_motion.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A moment to be never forgotten in the dust...perhaps my best ever recovery of C-QUAM audio if I exclude WIRY in Verdun...Totally awesome and this was received in Pierrefonds, Montreal, Quebec, Canada using the Sony CFS 6000 and the PK passive loop - a big thanks to Paul Karlstrand and Chris Cuff for help with the AM Stereo boombox and the mediumwave loop to boost weaker DX signals ! The separation is not excellent but is nice... Comments ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/01_-_CFCO_-_true_Hi-Fi_no_QRM_no_platform_motion.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 07 11:09:59 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13435 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2013 18:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2013 18:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.78) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2013 18:09:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365358199; bh=y1CaC+lxEfQAET1NtWXrnU0MjRsPc54oJVIukudoZTI=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C+/bQsaFuPFz25jjJ8/XEKJBIZ5KpxH9HTATTCuMcGAv70VYxt8GFzKnDK9c3LJqiuxj+2uEclaM0utZPGJ/EuwcGGvhYqhNeNSMAiw557uP2KRNf0cSbin24fB8X7nSIloytIhwp7GCcQXFyd3jAv2Umr1O3NRfUKOKEQm2hUM= Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2013 18:09:59 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2013 18:09:59 -0000 Date: 7 Apr 2013 18:09:58 -0000 Message-ID: <1365358198.1306.85982.w10@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/CFCOliner.wav Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : During this station bump the stereo effects were much way much more pronounced... More to come... You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/CFCOliner.wav To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 07 11:14:41 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57126 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2013 18:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2013 18:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.58) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2013 18:14:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365358479; bh=tS4JkG9nQz6BQn3v6VzdjZubFJj+pJLvjm9Ib2CEMRc=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RtVkafZ99EiFmC3JjPWrTRYam+kI7pQLAUqLZ0xK7gOr6sqJGAwYdGXssBdU+njodB4sJsErjcZRud3xH5PwcnZTKbomziyndJQCLTisbBGzmsZcfoNlpYRSKNCrWPLMJ87sBz2SBBQL75heVArC8zqbEJpj08ldMeWeS4hQ3OA= Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2013 18:14:39 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2013 18:14:39 -0000 Date: 7 Apr 2013 18:14:38 -0000 Message-ID: <1365358478.3215.88199.w10@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/11 - KCJJ_Young_Giant.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Not quite as good as CFCO but not bad at all and this is my best ever reception of KCJJ with just some mild local splatter from CJRS-1650...I really miss them as they play more variety than CFCO which plays only nice country but nothing else...I would like to know when KCJJ will comeback in full blown C-QUAM. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/11%20-%20KCJJ_Young_Giant.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 07 11:21:50 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97729 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2013 18:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2013 18:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.68) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2013 18:21:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365358909; bh=Mo9d9mS3e+qTDDF7JRGBwXS6kDT+N/4t/pV5MEKji2E=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=G67zxYqVf8TRfrZDkeRF5sDMHtOU0DSW3O4BBT3OuTHQyjRV5cJp6yofRSn8nDTN6McUWMeRVQ0W8ZOBPx00piSDjlhDqnuKkBdHb3jLq4PXNJ+WLA02G0n5zVgesYOTmq46wvbRHl3QZ8RDf74ejByvbWMGk126xE05Gp6/WdI= Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2013 18:21:49 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2013 18:21:49 -0000 Date: 7 Apr 2013 18:21:48 -0000 Message-ID: <1365358908.3248.76684.w4@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/07_-_Heatwave_-_Boogie Nights_-_WIRY_C-QUAM_Wide_mode.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : One of my fav Disco songs of all times airchecked from Hometown Radio 1340 Stereo WIRY using the Sony CFS 6000 boombox received from our very pleasant fellow Chris Cuff along with the PK loop to boost the weak groundwave semi-local reception. Is there anyway to filter out the hiss and improove the platform motion which is good but not excellent ? This is one of the best songs in the WIRY library and the difference between the Moog and others instruments is really stereophonic...Anyway... You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/07_-_Heatwave_-_Boogie%20Nights_-_WIRY_C-QUAM_Wide_mode.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Sun Apr 07 12:08:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26978 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2013 19:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2013 19:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2013 19:08:33 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MKW00L7ZFU70290@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:08:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: CFCO and WIRY + KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=1iPucES2rGJ2zvMvzXlC6iQ02vSUH5Udffe9VpXBIeYvdfTuh6E04HU X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings ! I just uploaded, before having lunch, 3 station recordings + 1 WAV excerpt of that CFCO MP3 recording. WIRY was airchecked in Pierrefonds where it is quite fringy at best, but still has excellent separation and wide frequency response, despite the hiss and growl maybe one of you with more software knowledge can filter out. With the demise of stereophonic Quad sound on 1630 kHz, I tuned to 630 instead and was treated with some nice country with half-decent separation, but the liners of CFCO and the station bumper had MUCH better separation than the music. Why ? Is there a particular reason, studio, recording, etc. ? I wasn`t even sure CFCO was positively still in ST until I heard those wonderful bumpers. CFCO has been interesting for several decades, but we had until late 2006 or early 2007 a nasty semi-local in Sherbrooke, CHLT 630, throwing some nasty groundwave+skywave mix at night that was unnulable AND I wasn`t equiped for C-QUAM back then. When I first heard about it around 98 or 1999 I thought it was a bad joke, but my curiosity, EBay and YouTube succeded in helping me enjoying C-QUAM and doing so before it is too late... Do you think C-QUAM will dissapear ? Do you think stations like WIRY or CFCO will always stay stereo for a handful of listeners ? Those handful of listeners that have more than 1 stereo capable receiver on mediumwave should give it to a listener of their station or to a friend, this is what I did to someone in Verdun-Montreal-Quebec-Canada along with the Select-A-Tenna I do not really use, because the PK loop has a slight edge... GIVING RADIOS FOR FREE IS A SOLUTION FOR AM STEREO or MODIFYING EXISTING AM MONO-FM STEREO RX FOR FREE WITH MOTOROLA INBOARD CHIPS, why not ? Anyway, 630 is a bit more difficult to hear because of co-channel QRM but the lack of adjacent channel LOCAL QRM makes for some wonderful listening in full stereo mode A for Motorola / Magnavox / Harry did make this weekend a treat for my ears. Speaking of 1630, 1650 Radio Shalom makes 1630 KCJJ slim to nil in AM Wide but half-decent in AM normal mode and interesting nevertheless... Now if I could just GET A PROGRESSIVE ROCK or WORLD MUSIC station in AM STEREO it would be a piece of cake for me ! I like country to a moderate extent, but I most admit even CFCO 630 which is country is difficult to hear compared with WLS. WLS is indeed stereo but boring like hell... Why they do not sell their stereo exciter to a station that plays music ? Now, is it true 1630 KCJJ did not have C-QUAM listeners or is it just a rumour of someone unwilling to fix the problem... There are times that KCJJ (now X99 ?) was even better than WIRY, definitively good for a change. With this in mind, I have my computer full blown of WAV and MP3 C-QUAM files and I would like to exchange airchecks of stations, DX or local, past or present, recorded using tuners or c-quam boomboxes... Snail mail is the best option, because storing the files on a website is often complicated and quite risky... Best regards, Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu, in Pierrefonds-Montreal, Quebec, Canada for yet sometime [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Sun Apr 07 15:59:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32358 invoked by uid 102); 7 Apr 2013 22:59:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2013 22:59:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 710 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2013 22:59:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm35-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.238.77) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2013 22:59:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm35.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2013 22:59:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.197] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2013 22:59:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2013 22:59:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 511304.70191.bm@omp1006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93311 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2013 22:59:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5dc_eO4VM1klR6GOUxEy1.fwvSqJFqqjR4D7ib9jYvOrOD5 14EFJ.qcA6JbBZy_FuDlpql6zQ202FolXDbWb72CVeSjuJIobKL93HX.fdJO sqevqJy8HzfAVHKWSLU36wcVhQi9WjpC490JmCNyC4DjNf88eKjal2cEjcbM Vq2yUor4m4bDBfLt2wmETHuH_bz5NUV.50S8zltVWkEVgJfXWKZE9hteiTV5 k6H3muC6OkNhxJ_D3Vo6Oh31tNzh4k5Xdkh6CER0hlQFl1gYle51SE3MJkg3 Ca3KP4bA6tID2NVvaIRQgf6TQDGY4Ux_g9KuwKlzx5nf641iZYfODDpLmzRg bNyMLDBhV9eJzAaN3_6zn0gKIKQ4f6A.nqbCj4NXgbIr7A9OvpcLjtEOcDXL 4Zcwe_Uf59j4dm1JWY5iiYjUh9jts.oeg1Nurn5MeIXXOpusmw74PGZ40FaQ dxJCZFvrMJ6jAwpRJcWl945CZo4LcAeh7GvQEv_RorcazEXUrsmaj_XX0eee Td_CeAwDhwr2nw2AUHOePBT7TcM41CooGUPagBHmQMKHW0rJToJwHUQAi1Ll hDROPgeu7WNPFlvIB9XpPWa4aWaI6sS2qwhc7oOlRQqJk0dVI30nvkvltNnX USWgBnYke3MH7yZxZl2p8CQJH1flMTyx_xKADMySCaRh0u.ntpIsM3JYU.ll owTLdDUXBgiXL5TRPxY0fJrulMgfARHMqopmPr0iIK3wL9mmOQUePEI6aDA1 tug01EekcAgz_fqZqajpADxqZ5_GBGLN8qocXBvkUQ_oG71m5KGaLK9aID2K 4R240YhfncFUIrDwlNzSrCsWuPBg8VPzWWii09WI1ZCe8RJF1cShpCOZ7m2m k9zV1ppS2LaxxP8fa4_yC_MczqpYSStAwNkF71A7_I3fiTqcHaFtCNpZVetQ 8SOIGoUagncmWkH1G2WWJyJlwrSKiN0zHEfGVr76MXKITiAX1Zg-- X-Received: from [201.24.46.25] by web142304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:59:48 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,CkFsZXhhbmRydSBCb2dkYW4gSSBteSBjdXJpb3NpdHksIEVCYXkgYW5kIFlvdVR1YmUgc3VjY2VkZWQgaW4gaGVscGluZyBtZSBlbmpveWluZyBDLVFVQU0gYW5kIGRvaW5nIHNvIGJlZm9yZSBpdCBpcyB0b28gbGF0ZQpJIGJvdWdodCBvbmUgUmVhbGlzaXRpYyBUbSAxNTIgQW0gU3RlcmVvIEJ5IENocmlzIEN1ZmYsIEluIEJyYXNpbCBubyBBbSBTdGVyZW8sIG9mZiBpbiA5NCzCoCByZXR1cm4gQW0gU3RlcmVvIEluIEJyYXNpbD8KaG93IHlvdSBnZXQgdGhvc2Ugc3RhdGlvbnMgQW1lcmljYW4gaW4gY2FuYWQBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.140.532 References: Message-ID: <1365375588.93085.YahooMailNeo@web142304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:59:48 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} CFCO and WIRY + KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=jQm70lOWUKbXjXJ1q_byG31ez9Ivp6sZT4ZGLu-E9GxEFlHM X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alexandru Bogdan I my curiosity, EBay and YouTube succeded in helping me en= joying C-QUAM and doing so before it is too late I bought one Realisitic Tm 152 Am Stereo By Chris Cuff, In Brasil no Am Ste= reo, off in 94,=A0 return Am Stereo In Brasil? how you get those stations American in canada with little QRM? Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: Mirela Chiochiu Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 7 de Abril de 2013 17:08 Assunto: {AMSF} CFCO and WIRY + KCJJ =20 Warm greetings ! I just uploaded, before having lunch, 3 station recordings + 1 WAV excerpt = of that CFCO MP3 recording. WIRY was airchecked in Pierrefonds where it is = quite fringy at best, but still has excellent separation and wide frequency= response, despite the hiss and growl maybe one of you with more software k= nowledge can filter out. With the demise of stereophonic Quad sound on 1630 kHz, I tuned to 630 inst= ead and was treated with some nice country with half-decent separation, but= the liners of CFCO and the station bumper had MUCH better separation than = the music. Why ? Is there a particular reason, studio, recording, etc. ? I = wasn`t even sure CFCO was positively still in ST until I heard those wonder= ful bumpers. CFCO has been interesting for several decades, but we had unti= l late 2006 or early 2007 a nasty semi-local in Sherbrooke, CHLT 630, throw= ing some nasty groundwave+skywave mix at night that was unnulable AND I was= n`t equiped for C-QUAM back then. When I first heard about it around 98 or = 1999 I thought it was a bad joke, but my curiosity, EBay and YouTube succed= ed in helping me enjoying C-QUAM and doing so before it is too late... Do you think C-QUAM will dissapear ? Do you think stations like WIRY or CFC= O will always stay stereo for a handful of listeners ? Those handful of lis= teners that have more than 1 stereo capable receiver on mediumwave should g= ive it to a listener of their station or to a friend, this is what I did to= someone in Verdun-Montreal-Quebec-Canada along with the Select-A-Tenna I d= o not really use, because the PK loop has a slight edge... GIVING RADIOS FO= R FREE IS A SOLUTION FOR AM STEREO or MODIFYING EXISTING AM MONO-FM STEREO = RX FOR FREE WITH MOTOROLA INBOARD CHIPS, why not ? Anyway, 630 is a bit more difficult to hear because of co-channel QRM but t= he lack of adjacent channel LOCAL QRM makes for some wonderful listening in= full stereo mode A for Motorola / Magnavox / Harry did make this weekend a= treat for my ears. Speaking of 1630, 1650 Radio Shalom makes 1630=A0 KCJJ = slim to nil in AM Wide but half-decent in AM normal mode and interesting ne= vertheless... Now if I could just GET A PROGRESSIVE ROCK or WORLD MUSIC sta= tion in AM STEREO it would be a piece of cake for me ! I like country to a = moderate extent, but I most admit even CFCO 630 which is country is difficu= lt to hear compared with WLS. WLS is indeed stereo but boring like hell... = Why they do not sell their stereo exciter to a station that plays music ? Now, is it true 1630 KCJJ did not have C-QUAM listeners or is it just a rum= our of someone unwilling to fix the problem... There are times that KCJJ (n= ow X99 ?) was even better than WIRY, definitively good for a change. With this in mind, I have my computer full blown of WAV and MP3 C-QUAM file= s and I would like to exchange airchecks of stations, DX or local, past or = present, recorded using tuners or c-quam boomboxes... Snail mail is the bes= t option, because storing the files on a website is often complicated and q= uite risky... Best regards, Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu, in Pierrefonds-Montreal, Quebec, Canada for yet = sometime [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 08 05:49:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91089 invoked by uid 102); 8 Apr 2013 12:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2013 12:49:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31731 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2013 12:49:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.161) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2013 12:49:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2013 12:49:17 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2013 12:49:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:49:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Announce: yes X-Originating-IP: 96.56.206.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: AM Stereo Forum files section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=0YwRAhN44AeJokEJXBOUEYCt6QjEAXsi852ljPNVAKWpBNK6Xg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The Files section of the group is nearly full due to the large amount of au= dio recordings that have been uploaded recently. If you want to listen to a= ll of them, please download and save them soon, because I will have to star= t going through and deciding which ones to keep and which ones to delete in= order to free up some room. Thanks! From acq@videotron.ca Mon Apr 08 06:11:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82366 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2013 13:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2013 13:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.83) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2013 13:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2013 13:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2013 13:11:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:11:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.212 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Forum files section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=zkiKqBXQrKEJZQ9XRsL16nZOuGQlxOHThtOcd_tiOQpYSlWyuxDGho8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Indeed, it could be a better idea to just exchange airchecks via SNAIL MAIL= using empty recordable SONY or MAXELL 700 MG CDs... I collect CDs and I bu= rn the files directly in WAV. I use MP3s instead of WAVs here most of the t= ime just as like Kevin pointed out the space is too small for the amount of= still active C-QUAM broadcasts that can be airchecked. If you are interested in airchecking please contact me off list at acq@vide= otron.ca. I am interested in anything from 1970 through the early 00s, espe= cially French, Hispano AM-FM and USA AM STEREO only broadcasters. I think K= evin is right, AMSF is not the best place to promote long airchecks, a stat= ion bumper is more than enough for showing how stereo can sound... For a mo= re prolounged entertainment purpose, we must take into account other option= s too like airchecks trade. Yours truly, Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.:May the good DX be with you and let those airchecks bless our ears ! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > The Files section of the group is nearly full due to the large amount of = audio recordings that have been uploaded recently. If you want to listen to= all of them, please download and save them soon, because I will have to st= art going through and deciding which ones to keep and which ones to delete = in order to free up some room. Thanks! > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Apr 08 06:38:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3756 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2013 13:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2013 13:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ve0-f179.google.com) (209.85.128.179) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2013 13:38:54 -0000 X-Received: by mail-ve0-f179.google.com with SMTP id cz11so5465868veb.10 for ; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.48.166 with SMTP id m6mr15565212ven.59.1365428334053; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.186.4 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 06:38:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.186.4 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 06:38:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 21:38:53 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.128.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Forum files section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=0L9nKcbtbMjb1EDZPCMg0Tn0ZwwF2kAOs72Gss8BQ2mL40Gq X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all. We could set up a dropbox account for the group. Airchecks are the best way to showcase the technology. Dan On Apr 8, 2013 9:11 PM, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > ** > > > Indeed, it could be a better idea to just exchange airchecks via SNAIL > MAIL using empty recordable SONY or MAXELL 700 MG CDs... I collect CDs an= d > I burn the files directly in WAV. I use MP3s instead of WAVs here most of > the time just as like Kevin pointed out the space is too small for the > amount of still active C-QUAM broadcasts that can be airchecked. > If you are interested in airchecking please contact me off list at > acq@videotron.ca. I am interested in anything from 1970 through the early > 00s, especially French, Hispano AM-FM and USA AM STEREO only broadcasters= . > I think Kevin is right, AMSF is not the best place to promote long > airchecks, a station bumper is more than enough for showing how stereo ca= n > sound... For a more prolounged entertainment purpose, we must take into > account other options too like airchecks trade. > > Yours truly, > Bogdan Chiochiu > Btw.:May the good DX be with you and let those airchecks bless our ears ! > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > > > The Files section of the group is nearly full due to the large amount o= f > audio recordings that have been uploaded recently. If you want to listen = to > all of them, please download and save them soon, because I will have to > start going through and deciding which ones to keep and which ones to > delete in order to free up some room. Thanks! > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Apr 08 12:32:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52687 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2013 19:32:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2013 19:32:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.138) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2013 19:32:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2013 19:32:40 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2013 19:32:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:32:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5c3e7.142afe25.3e9054a7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.244.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.244.69 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=cUnBz9KIVgPS8_ls1VDP5KpYBPy6AhzVKs0z-WE2HvM X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Todd=20 Well AFAIK there is a specific rule for the antennas of the 15.219 paragrap= h. There is no clarification if the word "Length" is meant to be something = more than its simpliest meaning, the one that any common nontech user will = understand and use to comply with it. Since the length is a physical measur= e of a dimension, and that is what the common people will understand by rea= ding it, there is no way to distinguish it from a dimensional perspective a= nd take it as it had to be calculated as the electrical length, or even say= from the vector of a wavelength that represents a circuit at a specific fr= equency.=20 ----------- "Section 15.219 Operation in the band 510 - 1705 kHz. (a) The total input power to the final radio frequency stage (exclusive of= filament or heaterpower) shall not exceed 100 milliwatts. (b) The total length of the transmission line, antenna and ground lead (if= used) shall not exceed 3meters. (c) All emissions below 510 kHz or above 1705 kHz shall be attenuated at l= east 20 dB below the level of the unmodulated carrier. Determination of com= pliance with the 20 dB attenuation specification may be based on measuremen= ts at the intentional radiator's antenna output terminal unless the intenti= onal radiator uses a permanently attached antenna, in which case compliance= shall be demonstrated by measuring the radiated emissions." ------------=20 If that was the case, then the 15.219 rule should had clarify it, making cr= ystal clear that the "3m Length maximum" found inside the text, isn't a phy= sical measure that anyone can udnerstand, & it can't be measured with just = a simple ruler that anyone can find or have!=20 That would make almost impossible for anyone non techie to follow the anten= na paragraph of 15.219.=20 And to add on how the 15.219 has be written to be understandable from anyon= e, regardless if he has or not real technical knowledge, they have clarify = in #1 of it exactly what the "100mW" power limit are, where and how they sh= ould be measured by anyone by using just a multimeter. They even clarify th= at the filament power (in case of a tube based amplifier) is not taken in a= coount of the 100mW DC INPUT at final amplifier stage!=20 So using common sense, anyone can say that the meaning of the 3m total leng= th of ANTENNA (named as seen the item that can be named in all as antenna p= art, & not specified as a wire,or loop, or loaded either on top bottom or m= idle), the transmission line (any part that can be used as transmission lin= e, either coacial, balanced feedline, or common wire, that is attached betw= een the transmitter output point & any construction that is called antenna = as total)!=20 We ahve read and re-read many times these specific paragraphs, and we have = asked, anyone that can provide us an FCC paper, that distinguish the term 3= m LENGTH of antenna, as something that is not the physical measure of the b= igger dimension that can be found in a 3 dimesnional construnstion of a man= ufacturer, regardlees if that is a metal pipe of 2m diameter and just less = 3 m long, or a plastic tube with exact same dimensionions with a straight w= ire running inside it from top to bottom! Or with 10 wires running inside i= t in parallel all attached at the borders of the plastic tube! All those 3= examples (and more similar that I can add if needed) can be considered as = "ANTENNA" if they used as by a user. All of them will be inside the 3m limi= t of max length, if no transmission line or ground lead/s will be added to = them!=20 So I'm sure that a top hat that is not exceeding the 3m and not to be taken= it self then as been the maximum dimension measured under the term "length= " is not prohibited under the Part 15.219 rule paragraph 2!=20 Or am I wrong and there is a paper that makes clear that they mean electric= al and not physical lenth as the applied term?=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > From the picture of the antenna it looks fairly straightforward with some= =20=20 > top-hat spokes > and some kind of top-loading coil. >=20=20 > Here in the USA we are limited to a 3-meter long antenna and top-hat spok= e=20=20 > loading is=20 > frowned upon > by the FCC inspectors unless the top hat radius is counted as part of the= =20=20 > length of the antenna. > To be fully legal the antenna should only be a straight copper wire or > pipe 3-meters long with no top hat and should be ground mounted, with the= =20=20 > transmitter > located directly at the antenna base, as any feedline to a remote=20=20 > transmitter is counted=20 > as part of the antenna length also. >=20=20 > Likewise any ground lead is also counted as part of the antenna length, s= o=20=20 > the ground lead > should be as short as possible although any radials laying on the ground = =20 > can be as long as > you like. So if someone tried to mount the antenna and transmitter above = =20 > ground on the top > of a pipe, the length of the pipe or any ground lead going down the pi= pe=20 > would be counted=20 > as the length of the ground lead and should be subtracted=20 > from the length of the antenna. >=20=20 > I wonder how the antenna in the picture can work well without any ground = =20 > radials? I have had > many years experience with part-15 antennas for the broadcast band and no= ne=20 > of them would > work well without an extensive ground radial system. Sitting on the > rooftop of a 6-story building could only help.. We will probably need mor= e=20=20 > details of the exact hook-up > Thanks for the pictures! >=20=20 > 73 Todd WD4NGG >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > In a message dated 4/2/2013 9:30:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20=20 > pdmtr@... writes: >=20 > Hi Roy=20 > That antenna has been made to be the "one antenna solution" for the AM B= CB=20 > Part 15 users! It has an Antenna Tuning Unit taht with just a multimeter= =20 > anyone can tune it at the desired frequency of operation. This is not mi= ne,=20 > it was made by another guy here, who makes FM,& VHF - HF antennas. I tol= d=20 > him one day why he hasn't make a low profile AM antenna, and guided him t= o=20=20 > the FCC Part 15.219 rules for the antenna lenth. He made it just 3.05m so= its=20 > even less than the 11 foot of the rules (that conveted give us a 3.35m m= ax=20 > length)! And yes, uit can be even tuned by an newbee, in the fly! Three= =20 > steps, and voila!!! No ground leads, or any radials, no special trimming= s and=20 > adjustments! > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Apr 08 17:45:44 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40543 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2013 00:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2013 00:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.239) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2013 00:45:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365468344; bh=a4D5NCsG7YscfMeL6iAAzW0ZAQG9iu0byXYSXb7caIA=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ejqErh/TFi5SzZwmgYcmI+65Gs8e2LSr/fRHlfwFxmm6qDWXhNOMVSMof1SQLoITqMBcuA02Wjud+RcvgtpmgkDgAaMr1r1tNe2CCx202Q3rw2R1afu+gwnhxiJR36NC/dC9jmhILQF58G55lRpjEw5RQhvQb+txda9rkAEpiQ4= Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 00:45:43 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 00:45:43 -0000 Date: 9 Apr 2013 00:45:42 -0000 Message-ID: <1365468342.37110.38737.w8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WINY_1350_AM_Stereo_Correy_Heart_Sunglasses_at_Night.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : WINY 1350 C-QUAM Putnam, CT playing SUNGLASSES AT NIGHT by CORREY HEART, ironically from where the reception was made (Verdun), on April 8 2013 at 1915 EDT. Sounds even better than CFCO late at night and is besides WIRY in Verdun, my most succesful C-QUAM experience I did witness on my own. Heard using the Sony SRF A1 PK loop voice recorder combo, as I keep the Sony CFS 6000 like gold ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WINY_1350_AM_Stereo_Correy_Heart_Sunglasses_at_Night.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Apr 08 17:53:27 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47894 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2013 00:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2013 00:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.252) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2013 00:53:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365468806; bh=vkGW3TnwWnAHGU8tCLzidjbKfx7w4Wnagqq0LL30y1k=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LV7P2EoJrzlZFclteWPmoWvgc2Bm0i/fWiAnS/zxTAcU4A5Ym5FTvgKGy/n1UCPS+CibW8rUmg+MTIU8tFoy4HJqPpGjqPKkc/VpPoESbbGk0rAHujXJlYQ267r9rIKNOklHdJZll00Fehj1//sRj8BEZapGICbyZ7qalb68B+4= Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 00:53:26 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 00:53:26 -0000 Date: 9 Apr 2013 00:53:25 -0000 Message-ID: <1365468805.45303.20006.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WINY_lower_bitrate.wav Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A WAV version of my WINY musical aircheck... It is not the original WAV file but it DOES STILL sounds better than the MP3 and still is bigger than the MP3... I even think using the choosen bitrate it sounds as good IF not BETTER than the WINY sunset DX reception in Verdun, Montreal, Quebec, Canada. One can hear synth in one speaker, electric guitar in the other one and the voice of Correy Heart on both so they are STILL stereo. Wow ! Shortly after the intro the reception dramatically improves... You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WINY_lower_bitrate.wav To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Apr 08 18:06:09 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73461 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2013 01:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2013 01:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.138) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2013 01:06:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365469569; bh=N/0dKuHng3+K7SIh0/Iq81F71XDRmm6JAVFFGdaYWEQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hFiLPxlJahPYNh09iNteH/jeo6QeYwv8WLzSwI/B+aWkyjv4B52KT+v9ke/e4l8Dtq3mZfq4fatLj1VUOyRW+J3U5BCSi1UG3BBztMVuWpTr/X7EN13tm961Eioo2zwUp+D5C+243c864CvgJbTgwX20EufmCo2Qrvbs48baVro= Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 01:06:09 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 01:06:09 -0000 Date: 9 Apr 2013 01:06:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1365469568.25918.3758.w12@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WINY_1350_AM_Stereo_Correy_Heart_Sunglasses_at_Night.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : WINY 1350 C-QUAM Putnam, CT as received in Verdun, Montreal, Quebec, Canada at 7:15 PM on a Monday evening of April 8 2013 playing the SUNGLASSES AT NIGHT classic hit by CORREY HEART. Synth on R, electric guitar on L and the voice on both channels... Heard on the Sony SRF A1, PK loop and Sony VR combo ! Any comments ? Enjoy ! Warm greetings ! May the good DX be with you You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WINY_1350_AM_Stereo_Correy_Heart_Sunglasses_at_Night.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Mon Apr 08 19:13:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90910 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2013 02:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2013 02:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.158) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2013 02:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 02:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 02:13:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 02:13:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.101 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Forum files section X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=RmmxouU-cBuDi7u8b9fEMuPJ6riMrVYl8aR7ePeiRadGD6SlEW2BdkA X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu In order to improve available space here, I replaced all my older airchecks= with the Correy Heart song recorded from WINY just before powerdown at sun= set... Good listening and...I still have many other AM Stereo airchecks, DX= ones, with the exception of semi-local WIRY of course. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > The Files section of the group is nearly full due to the large amount of = audio recordings that have been uploaded recently. If you want to listen to= all of them, please download and save them soon, because I will have to st= art going through and deciding which ones to keep and which ones to delete = in order to free up some room. Thanks! > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Apr 08 19:26:34 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34604 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2013 02:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2013 02:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.180) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2013 02:26:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365474394; bh=03iYNdgriCdOlDEiVjGIUmkUUXQBQhPA1ZzbQJ4X/ro=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2+GkpXxwkU6h4AlQocy9jf3qWiLuIdyC1iZYlE3nCuD4ohqcHK62WadjYd6N/2EaGWGX2Peup6/s3tU81H8J15HSu54LVuV9bqtGA5YU3TD10DIrBAKvWlyC1bqm369oh4ixRyJYR6j+SVR38IKSsIC76zoIWcgtb1QEnIgcgVE= Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 02:26:34 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2013 02:26:34 -0000 Date: 9 Apr 2013 02:26:33 -0000 Message-ID: <1365474393.28028.83589.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_-_The_Spinners_-_Then_Came_You.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : WIRY Plattsburg, NY airchecked in Verdun, Montreal, Quebec, Canada Monday afternoon, April 8 of 2013 shortly after 2 PM. Using the Sony SRF A1 PK loop Sony VR combo. The Sony SRF A1 is not quite as good as the Sony CFS 6000 but is more flexible... Good listen ! The separation is better than WINY which suffered from mild platform motion at this QTH. What do you think ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_-_The_Spinners_-_Then_Came_You.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 03:25:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22686 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2013 10:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2013 10:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.22) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2013 10:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm28.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 10:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.193] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 10:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 10:25:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 468716.24052.bm@omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87170 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2013 10:25:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ilC8cjYVM1k0CKZ6vCmmiI132wUU6OZPk8zcMqUQ.b.tm_2 oA9hWiM7tFFecYy06v_beWblZdt.cpUa_wyw9WHIDMs7BwttWXBNprdIAc3B 0f3yW48yoVBVbkWLjuPZy9U.jSHb21UQFMiVfCFxaGkUOG.edcTJzv1D0HVo fOEiT0VHWx7ihZ0hlGmVhjqm8Sjy31Zy3VNnDFOoAMfNbkYQRSmMcSaRR2lM TqE69VCPFp.KLr_2c.vsmjIwtbodXQAH0h.gD3EebkjMzcCHnPrJ1vRQC8CI aERkwDNDOQJtW2gQj5XX8vgvfJq3koTKCIJYmvfmKDFwV2Ta1SbTJUjcbu.1 TFU2w3S3h8fxDGhyQ4ZXzSRnA4njEyHW.aisDmDmw6Y61b5dJLkiN2xBH9fz Qx5toadUBxPdql_cWpHGjlECza_SZcZLcA7soWu5NQI2p1w4yoZRwi2VEgnw HKSao3dz_DNhT8NgJ.k6NktCOnmMbuwgQAOvEv5u2xvA6vLErGWVvFSoYSnw - X-Received: from [68.99.152.26] by web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 03:25:36 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,Q2FuIGFueW9uZSBjb25maXJtIHRoaXMgc3RhdGlvbiB3aGljaCBhZHZlcnRpc2VzIGl0c2VsZiBhcyAiU3RlcmVvIDE1NTAiPyDCoEl0cyBXaWtpcGVkaWEgYXJ0aWNsZSBzYXlzIHRoYXQgaXQgd2FzIEEuTS4gc3RlcmVvIGluIHRoZSBwYXN0ICYgZG9lc24ndCBtZW50aW9uIGl0IHN0b3BwaW5nIHVzYWdlIG9mIEEuTS4gc3RlcmVvLiDCoElmIGl0J3Mgc3RpbGwgb24sIEknZCBsaWtlIHRvIGFkZCBpdCB0byB0aGUgbGlzdC4NClRoYW5rcyxKYXkBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.140.532 Message-ID: <1365589536.84260.YahooMailClassic@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 03:25:36 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: WBFJ/1550 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=B682G7CFcTg5j_P-e3dTLS_9FrTuajMwFrr5xd5SkrXyWTtjDBNJ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone confirm this station which advertises itself as "Stereo 1550"? = =A0Its Wikipedia article says that it was A.M. stereo in the past & doesn't= mention it stopping usage of A.M. stereo. =A0If it's still on, I'd like to= add it to the list. Thanks,Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Wed Apr 10 04:01:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35532 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2013 11:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2013 11:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.109) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2013 11:01:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 11:01:39 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 11:01:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:01:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1365468805.45303.20006.w5@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.153 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Putnam on 1350 C-QUAM ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=_ZnVprHS79XXWkfCgp9fCUk-sd-7lw9M8PuKhP6HvjFJltEQ9OHZ85k X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Please, enjoy this file because we may delete it soon for space purpose... = Thanks ! Also, feel free to comment it... Last but not least, when there is= some medium to high platform motion, I have trouble IDing if it is a true = stereo reception or if my radio is just faking, like all multi-mode rx do, = incl my SRF A1 walkman, my Sony CFS 6000 and maybe some but not all of the = Sony A100 units. Mine was a disaster until it became useless... It was not = in a very good condx so I am sticking to those first two... Is there a SOFTWARE to correct the CHANNEL BALANCE on medium level platform= motion reception to confirm WINY with Sunglasses at Night by Correy Heart = was C0QUAM stereo ? In the beginning when I made that file I had the synth = MOSTLY LEFT, the electric guitar MOSTLY RIGHT, the drums shifting sides (li= ke platform motion, though it could be voluntary) and the voice almost stea= du on both speakers. Overall, even though the reception was unstable, it so= unded more HQ than WIRY which do not use sound compression unlike adjacent = WINY... Just some feed for thoughts ! As a reminder, I can ONLY get WINY sunset an sunrise here in Montreal just = before power down and just after power up in Putnam. I might in theory be a= ble to pick them up late at night too as 79 watts on a high-band frequency = can do miracles seldom but nicely. Anyway... During the daytime they run a = mighty 5 KW. That`s it for now ! May the good DX be with you from Verdun, Montreal, Quebec, Canada ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /mp3-usa/WINY_lower_bitrate.wav=20 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > Description : A WAV version of my WINY musical aircheck... It is not th= e original WAV file but it DOES STILL sounds better than the MP3 and still = is bigger than the MP3... I even think using the choosen bitrate it sounds = as good IF not BETTER than the WINY sunset DX reception in Verdun, Montreal= , Quebec, Canada. One can hear synth in one speaker, electric guitar in the= other one and the voice of Correy Heart on both so they are STILL stereo. = Wow ! Shortly after the intro the reception dramatically improves...=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WINY_lower_bitr= ate.wav=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, >=20 > bogdanchiochiu > From acq@videotron.ca Wed Apr 10 04:11:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92964 invoked by uid 102); 10 Apr 2013 11:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2013 11:11:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1753 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2013 11:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.138) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2013 11:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 11:11:26 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 11:11:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:11:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.153 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: SOFTWARE for CHANNEL BALANCE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=fw8d8elXmumJamRpsMKCKyFbFe00SqPQKcj9GrSGLheKwye7HyZIV3A X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Just to clarify one of my last question: is it possible to find software to= equalize the signal behind platform motion ? To identify the sound that sh= ifts on a recurrent basis is what I mean... Thank you for sharing with this= you Motorola C-Quam fellow ! Warm greetings from the Montreal area ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: Considering the fact that the Sony mutisystem rx gave even more platf= orm motion to those MONAURAL regular AMers in forced stereo mode, and the f= act that many C-Quamers have left the pilot off, I wonder if WINY is stereo= at all, they are quite unstable here. The Correy Heart and an Alisha Keys = number at the very end where the songs that were clearly stereo but I canno= t ay much more because of the QRM and slight fading. Also to a lesser exten= t than the Sony SRF A 300, the Sony SRF A1 gives a stereo like effect to AL= L STATIONS on the band. You have to know the song pretty well to distinguis= h between fake stereo and true stereo. Just some last feed for thoughts for= the morning ! Good breakfast ! From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Apr 10 05:02:26 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12382 invoked by uid 102); 10 Apr 2013 12:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2013 12:02:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 3479 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2013 12:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.38) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2013 12:02:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365595346; bh=3wf8Quj79do7v23ZAZBCVeEBpvbhFSY9rUMdlkiWUXs=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cvsc7ueFeQbtS0qayaO4Kc3e8avMIowi8ehrEgNHRyAyBhDAjGS/8Z9SCjq3aG9RTVaVYZ/k1dlYcoMrFZg3JfxH2XjdM/bXf/UtVDdaPuV2/OL0dxwq9zSD0/cm31HkVMMQwMK8J03ofGwFp2rPlxvSTxj0rm45kp5yXZKHDHA= Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 12:02:26 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 12:02:26 -0000 Date: 10 Apr 2013 12:02:26 -0000 Message-ID: <1365595346.52925.53126.w8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_-_Peter_Paul_and_Mary_-_A_Big_Rock_and_roll_Music.wav Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Especially relevant in this song is the separation that overwhelms you around :67 sec (1:07 min) that is typical of mid-to-late 60s records with the drums and keyboards on one single side and the voices on both sides. One of my best ! Too bad I cannot upload a higher quality file, because of space restrictions ! Enjoy it anyway ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_-_Peter_Paul_and_Mary_-_A_Big_Rock_and_roll_Music.wav To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Apr 10 05:11:40 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43971 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2013 12:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2013 12:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.148) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2013 12:11:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365595900; bh=kk3B2AV71GXQVMZMlG20K7POYVdvCkMQuevR2dH+720=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vMVLUO96rg/mBXHsDGyGhqnMrdssyJ1slU/aSPu77oEKBMnA9WN6uXuEkhJqaxqO2Dw9dsoMCykc3uwkM5syADNliDi9SsRvBnczRDXQ5TG5KyQkdy53Jx0HHd1hKw225Bd45tp79wbyjOGIdOdFEArAVG9n36pjlAbfQEu+g0M= Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 12:11:40 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 12:11:40 -0000 Date: 10 Apr 2013 12:11:39 -0000 Message-ID: <1365595899.12202.40945.w10@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/28 - Peter Paul and Mary - A big rock and roll music.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : The drums and keyboards on one side and the voices on both from around 1:06 min until toward the end of the song. This has better separation than WINY in Putnam so far, obviously... Also, it sounds remarkably better in HQ 128 kBITS per second MP3 than in very low bitrate WAV and the HW original WAV takes too much space, sorry guys... Good listen anyway and feel free to compare it with WINY adjacent file (and channel) separation on Correy Heart - Sunglasses at Night !! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/28%20-%20Peter%20Paul%20and%20Mary%20-%20A%20big%20rock%20and%20roll%20music.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Wed Apr 10 05:14:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47213 invoked by uid 102); 10 Apr 2013 12:14:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2013 12:14:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32712 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2013 12:14:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.138) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2013 12:14:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 12:14:55 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2013 12:14:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:14:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1365595346.52925.53126.w8@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.153 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=uXHasjPYZ4J5tb0sPOyeatYoPseqcEAHmRRXf7rwKQ0Oxg8LeBeXNWc X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu I had to delete this file because it has a very reduce muffed low-Fi sound,= really bothersome for the C-Quam audiophile that I am ! BUT, check out the next file which is almost but not quite as good a the or= iginal reception ! Warm greetings, Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_-_Peter_Paul_and_Mary_-_A_Big_Rock_and_roll= _Music.wav=20 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > Description : Especially relevant in this song is the separation that o= verwhelms you around :67 sec (1:07 min) that is typical of mid-to-late 60s = records with the drums and keyboards on one single side and the voices on b= oth sides. One of my best ! Too bad I cannot upload a higher quality file, = because of space restrictions ! Enjoy it anyway !=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_-_Peter_Pa= ul_and_Mary_-_A_Big_Rock_and_roll_Music.wav=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, >=20 > bogdanchiochiu > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 12 17:13:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41461 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2013 00:13:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2013 00:13:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-04.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.154) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2013 00:13:20 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.19] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130412191302102570300010> for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 19:13:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <5168A308.30609@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 19:12:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 19:13:02 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130412-1, 04/12/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=mcl5Zr-p7_cN5krjH1BKSW4hWkfBq7Bl8nuskrY4PF5Z1XcP3C_t X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/8/2013 2:33 PM, pdmtr wrote: > Hi Todd > > Well AFAIK there is a specific rule for the antennas of the 15.219 > paragraph. There is no clarification if the word "Length" is meant to be > something more than its simpliest meaning, the one that any common > nontech user will understand and use to comply with it. The FCC has essentially two standards- one for carrier current and the other for intentional radiators using an antenna. If you use an antenna you're limited to 3m (~10') in length which would be the total of the antenna, any cable between the transmitter and antenna, and ground lead. If the antenna is connected directly to the transmitter and the transmitter is bolted directly to a ground rod you can use the full 10' for the antenna. For carrier current you're allowed so many uV/m of signal measured a certain distance from the power lines, plus it's frequency dependent, favoring the low end of the band. Scott Todd From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 08:13:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17546 invoked by uid 102); 13 Apr 2013 15:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2013 15:13:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5812 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2013 15:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.96) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2013 15:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2013 15:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2013 15:13:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:13:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5168A308.30609@usfamily.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.244.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.244.69 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=MW3-sI-m84L0i_UhaQEACfRzpOh8HQ5JmakSQMTje7U X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Todd wrote: > >=20 >=20 for intentional radiators using an antenna. If you use an antenna=20 > you're limited to 3m (~10') in length which would be the total of the=20 > antenna, any cable between the transmitter and antenna, and ground lead.= =20 > If the antenna is connected directly to the transmitter and the=20 > transmitter is bolted directly to a ground rod you can use the full 10'=20 > for the antenna. >=20 >=20 > Scott Todd Hi=20 Yes that is exactly what I can understand by reading the 15.219 #2 Antenna = Rule.=20 So an antenna that doesn't use added ground leads, and transmission lines i= nbetween the feeding point and the Tx output, it would be legal if the legt= h of it is less than 3.35m (that is the exact meter conversion), regardless= if there is a loading coil INSIDE that length or it has a top hat that its= elf doesn't overcome the 3m diameter!=20 Isn't that correct?=20 =20=20 From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Apr 13 13:57:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52363 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2013 20:57:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2013 20:57:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2013 20:57:23 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0A1DB1C000149 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:57:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mge002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.69]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D7371E000082 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <12a331.1371a3e.3e9b20b2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:57:22 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 271 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482798560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29495169c6b279f6 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=MAFwssFJaEsEa4re3tbyEFtFv5FgbK7NSUZXCpfZ6WKIwIgefU8G X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi Sotiris, Thanks for your additional comments on the part 15.219 antenna rules. I am not sure where do you get the 3.35 meters length from? How are you able to convert 3 meters into 3.35 meters? I think if you would ask any FCC field inspector he would not accept a 3-meter diameter top-hat sitting on top of a 3-meter long vertical as being within the part 15 rules. I guess in the end a lot depends on the FCC inspector. He is the one who would have to make the final decision on the antenna. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 4/13/2013 11:13:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pdmtr@yahoo.com writes: Hi Yes that is exactly what I can understand by reading the 15.219 #2 Antenna Rule. So an antenna that doesn't use added ground leads, and transmission lines inbetween the feeding point and the Tx output, it would be legal if the legth of it is less than 3.35m (that is the exact meter conversion), regardless if there is a loading coil INSIDE that length or it has a top hat that itself doesn't overcome the 3m diameter! Isn't that correct? From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 13 18:51:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12515 invoked by uid 102); 14 Apr 2013 01:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2013 01:51:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2158 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2013 01:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-03.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.153) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2013 01:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.19] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130413205109102973300010> for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 20:51:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <516A0B85.1000001@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 20:51:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 20:51:09 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130413-1, 04/13/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=gXtd-M9n9246quCfgtvPYh40PT1jrIwChmBaJR2ZgtxLj1lY8PPK X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/13/2013 10:13 AM, pdmtr wrote: > Hi > Yes that is exactly what I can understand by reading the 15.219 #2 > Antenna Rule. > So an antenna that doesn't use added ground leads, and transmission > lines inbetween the feeding point and the Tx output, it would be legal > if the legth of it is less than 3.35m (that is the exact meter > conversion), regardless if there is a loading coil INSIDE that length or > it has a top hat that itself doesn't overcome the 3m diameter! > Isn't that correct? > Actually the current FCC standard is 3m which is slightly less than 10 feet, but otherwise you're understanding is right. Scott From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 14 14:55:22 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77300 invoked by uid 102); 14 Apr 2013 21:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2013 21:55:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 2293 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2013 21:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.8) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2013 21:55:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365976521; bh=fnzvspJhkfMc6fhvB2FQYnDs1Zg5P3qEdzNWqaxp4EY=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q/dGKUDeISl7r9vUYmbRnfJBONx32KBPy1mjb2z+y0Kk6LY/OxqJ56WVJNKDE93hG/YsbUKFXOG5yzcKjhj4QH8mYeDHsMIx3gH+er0EIbb/jnqYoLrSc1wS8hvvO+iFKxd4/XQg/X125B0knsbN+GZNR6roVVpNq6fhL5UBM24= Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 21:55:21 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 21:55:21 -0000 Date: 14 Apr 2013 21:55:19 -0000 Message-ID: <1365976519.2538.55319.w2@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WBLQ_-_Scott_McKenzie_oldie.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : During the later half of this song one can sometimes hear the lead guitar in one speaker and the rest in the center... Is it true or is it just a platform motion illusion ? Am I the only one who decoded C-QUAM on a graveyard local channel from over 300 miles ? I am very pleased with this aircheck. Heard on the Sony CFS 6000 - PK loop in Montreal, Pierrefonds, Quebec, Canada. I am waiting for some feedback ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WBLQ_-_Scott_McKenzie_oldie.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Apr 14 15:08:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20810 invoked by uid 102); 14 Apr 2013 22:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2013 22:08:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5854 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2013 22:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.138) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2013 22:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 22:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 22:08:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:08:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12a331.1371a3e.3e9b20b2@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 91.140.39.0 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 91.140.39.0 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: SV: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=Pm-cBXMN3h7M3TfGL9t7QRZAKOxmws40usN4vAOeLyY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > Hi Sotiris, > Thanks for your additional comments on the part 15.219 antenna rules. I = am=20 > not sure > where do you get the 3.35 meters length from? How are you able to conve= rt=20 > 3 meters=20 > into 3.35 meters? I think if you would ask any FCC field inspector he=20 > would not accept > a 3-meter diameter top-hat sitting on top of a 3-meter long vertical as= =20 > being within=20 > the part 15 rules.=20 >=20 > I guess in the end a lot depends on the FCC inspector. He is the one who= =20 > would > have to make the final decision on the antenna. >=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20 Hi Todd=20 Yes I stand corrected. The rule does refer 3m clearly. The 3.35m came from = converting a 11 feet antenna length that someone elsewhere has said it is l= egal to use. However the antenna in question is less than exactly 3m. So it= will not be overcome the maximum length of the rule.=20 Also I didn't said that is using a 3m top hat. The top hat is made by 1m ro= ds, making the total diameter of it not more than 2.06m including the suppo= rting tube. So is far less than 3m to be considered as possible "length" di= mension in question.=20 I see no logical way or eason, that any serious FCC agent will decide as no= t acceptable under the law letter! For example, say you use an antenna made= by a 2" mast that has a top hat with a diameter of 2.8m. That will be also= not acceptable? For what reason or under which logical scope? Say there is= no vertical mast at all, just "top hat" like antenna with a diameter of 2.= 95m directly feeded in the center of it by the transmitter output, no trans= mission lines, or ground lead used! That will also be non compliant, and fo= r what reason, that will stand legally correct?=20 The reason for making all these hypothetical questions, is that I think is = not under personal estimation of what the X inspector will name as "top hat= " or not, neither is at his descretion to say that this or that isn't compl= iant under the 3m LENGTH rule, because is called "top hat" or whatever. The= only way to accept it or dismiss it is to physical measure by the simplest= means (a common meter ruler)its maximum dimensional size,regardless if tht= a will be found at the X, Y or Z axis of a 3 dimensional world. If there is= no oversized element of the whatever physical construction used as the ant= enna in question, then there is nothing that can make him give a no go deci= sion, except the pesronalized bending of the letter of the law expression. = Of course that is something that can happen. But I'm sure that will be the = odd case, and if someone will go against it folowing a legal way, the inspe= ctor will have to defend his personal decision in a court. I think that non= e of them will want to be in such a position.=20 As I see it till now, and with a lot of conversation with too many people i= n US that some of them do have legal knowledge there is non a sinlge case t= hat the FCC inspectors haven't found something that was really out of the 3= m rule, ie. overpowered Tx, extensive ground leads running even far more th= an 3m itself, etc. whenever they decide to force a NAL to a Part15.219 stat= ion. None of them, made his NAL filed decision just only for founding, for = example, a simple loading coil measured also inside the 3m total length ant= enna, of an otherwise fully compliant installation. I'm sure that using a t= op hat, and loaing coils for an antenna construction that will not be measu= red more than 3m total length (including all the above antenna parts) will = not make anyone to file a case for its user.=20 But after all, all these are nice theoritical or rhetorical questions, aren= 't they? :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris From acq@videotron.ca Sun Apr 14 15:27:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75901 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2013 22:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2013 22:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2013 22:27:19 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.160.70.36]) by VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0ML900CDKNPIOQ90@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1365976519.2538.55319.w2@yahoogroups.com> In-reply-to: <1365976519.2538.55319.w2@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:27:21 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=oYyOvBTjYKSX3nspKhD-EWtBr8J8JAlCSU93L7H4ybDWLB8MtrBAJkE X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings to all of you fellows on AMSF ! Is it true that using a multisystem receiver (i.e.: Sony SRF A 1, Sony CFS 6000, Sony SRF A 100, Sanyo MW 250, etc.), in theory, it is easier to hear in FORCED STEREO MODE a distant graveyarder on top of the mush in C-Quam than in Kahn Hazeltine (or Kahn ISB) because only the mono signals will swing around, but the C-Quam stereo ones will remain fairly stables while one the KAHN, there will be no platform motion of neither mono nor stereo signals making thinks more confusing of who has the distinguished signal and Motorola C-Quam has a better signal-to-noise ratio than Kahn Hazeltine, ideal for such weak graveyard local 1 kW signals ?... Anyway, I never experimented with KAHN and even less so on the crowded local graveyard channels, BUT WHAT I DID IS that I DID WITNESS the past night, here in Pierrefonds (Montreal area), under slightly auroral conditions, for the first time with such an eloquence, a bit of stereo separation, not too much, but evident enough to tell it was stereo, on STEREO 1230 WBLQ WESTERLY during the We Are Going to San Francisco famous oldie recorded by John McKanzie. There was the lead guitar in one speaker and the rest in the centre, I believe, but I WANT YOUR EARS AND YOUR OPINION TOO, as fast swiorling platform motion can fake our impressions sometimes, you know... I get WBLQ on a semi-regular basis in the Montreal area, but it is seldom clear enough for definite and unsuscipicious stereo separation. One last question: is there a software I could download that will maximise channel separation and get rid of some of the platform motion ?... I already have DYONISUS MP3 with Dual Channel IC filter, will that helped ? I never used that, as I don`t know what kinds of WAV sound files will fit into it. Anyway... Thank you for your time and let`s keep this messageboard alive with more enthousiastic posts, because this is what such a complex, funny and at the same time ENTERTAINING technology desserves ! I will be really impressed to hear what WBLQ, WIRY, CFCO, WINY, etc. sounds like LOCALLY in Westerly or Chattam... Warm greetings from the western half of the Montreal area ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 14 16:16:37 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44573 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2013 23:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2013 23:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.57) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2013 23:16:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1365981395; bh=Q0vInTLZN90p0t2BknB1H6hg1ZEElSpiaHDDK0F83gg=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RlkkDWfHZbEmKDOZhtxRzskY7IY446DxInb+hPqaA8+VpODknuPfi20v+LagoAhRU9xKeneAvZKgWODuy1wsqmWUJAT0OmH0oTZj8Shj5EUFURCBYE6V991Tkm3+PtcJAWx1Ix0eRzqNN2k78O+8vhtRX6+4y4bEYdpTAWzbOtA= Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 23:16:35 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 23:16:35 -0000 Date: 14 Apr 2013 23:16:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1365981394.326.96401.w2@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-intl/CFCO_clean_bumper.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A nice station liner received in the Montreal area via skywave a few days ago using the Sony CFS 6000 boombox from Chris Cuff and the PK loop antenna to boost reception. Very little if any stereo separation though... I even think between the two soundclips, the only one that was in stereo was WBLQ ! Just some feed for thoughts ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-intl/CFCO_clean_bumper.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Apr 15 06:17:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67949 invoked by uid 102); 15 Apr 2013 13:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2013 13:17:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15162 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2013 13:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wi0-f178.google.com) (209.85.212.178) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2013 13:17:21 -0000 X-Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hq17so778288wib.17 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 06:17:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.158.161 with SMTP id wv1mr32332806wjb.38.1366031841053; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 06:17:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.216.188.1 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 06:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:17:20 -0500 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=oaA2MXjJqKSOMrJDSiS0hod7K_f06nemOjZcuibeT6cYP6LdHk7aKUR7 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bogdan, You should write Chris Diapaola, the owner of WBLQ.. I'm sure he'd love to know you can hear WBLQ from Montreal. His address is Chris@wblq.net I'm 29 years old and have known Chris on and off since I was 14... he's a pretty decent guy. Paul Walker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@centurytel.net Mon Apr 15 06:39:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@centurytel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17442 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2013 13:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2013 13:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com) (209.235.152.128) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2013 13:39:38 -0000 X-Authenticated-User: amfmdx.centurytel.net X-Received: from [192.168.2.10] (75-120-214-161.dyn.centurytel.net [75.120.214.161]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3FDdZkv028228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:39:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:39:35 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1365976519.2538.55319.w2@yahoogroups.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=t1BDqAPY+G2udU8DdoeZI4528NlX8idEfYVi9fBWLMY= c=1 sm=1 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=u0zorw1oWVHkCpY4iBTikA==:17 a=Xa2MBWblVqu6WGZ-rgQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=u0zorw1oWVHkCpY4iBTikA==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.516C031A.0010,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Originating-IP: 209.235.152.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=348428246; y=eCmJlbTOmXmx84XGSaP24jF_fLkcyMqHcC6GbUOx6RdLLv6oPA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Apr 14, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > STEREO 1230 WBLQ WESTERLY during the We Are Going to San Francisco famous= oldie recorded by John McKanzie. There was the lead guitar in one speaker = and the rest in the centre, I believe, but I WANT YOUR EARS AND YOUR OPINIO= N TOO, as fast swiorling platform motion can fake our impressions sometimes= , you know... Westerly used to be my hometown. It is possible that they have stereo but d= uring the 10 years I lived there during the AM stereo days and after they n= ever had AM stereo. I would suspect they are mono.=20 Kevin Crump, TN From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 08:31:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78404 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2013 15:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2013 15:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm3-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.53) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2013 15:31:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2013 15:31:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.163] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2013 15:31:01 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2013 15:31:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 729723.25752.bm@omp1064.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 33809 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2013 15:31:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cj6iFecVM1kwde.v1xpAFXj6jQucd1nBYwLCrr2MDUXngfs AargQA0HyH25CyhCT124sX1hszJThhEgBaejyr2l50GYY.i2Qn4iUPVEDqCI UYtsDHp6H2LzjDIhOo3Fln.PMFUC8aBRrbHtsWvD0rH8xt6rgRC.3pWCdh.8 qYukQoLRqmz2j72TnT9N3rEyU_vUFcUKohusMaTyxfS_7o8as0UR1JtaXstS ms6u4s.l1XJk_TQ3XREtlI6IJoE7SUyV5Bv.pshyRqpS6PfbKaW_.zDLJy8Y Rjetm7hWKKkMz95JJRylYx0cgCCNB7FB7tHJkNIbqSJoAsc7F8qi5I7E5NIW a1V2z6zfUiHbP4bxAaIFGTWqESBHsac_wTb15rcHEK.S0me2qhHTR.7nqQcT kXR7ZH02VsUNeqxsnwYdrB6_86V9iH7Kd7ELLEsDGdBW6l.PLRKWWii62MYa IlU3SktCn4V8cPBJN6Hyeh73bECM0Va0yvQwAsv.xNPkOC6Jmb48nFxbJbTQ 8e6pC_CKWAHyU6SmC5__5bYKMZ8lK19c8f8_0HJ.TRL2cXGkAju9y3TZZTAJ IkmYXTBcBC6YSxIVUWaGQHV9QXJB4bt4D26jS5tjbz5iaaeg1OgniYb2xZH2 U2liB8p3.2ZzK.nYb830N7gAGykFKESFUUtdGlEv8eURFURIn.s0fc1G42lZ DOTpZpZiln_tBczPcO8CxEP.5GVEaoTXaPCF84Mi8A3VyePg5nNnIjYZPFUT 0_dIn.yz0SSLYesgCxuBEAcrax4M2WDVj53o.1_0AEs4aYxKowbb4vkrN.Zc 0YWhKZYB7SLIqC5ATvVdVAxtaXoG.ErKlfp0rPCHmUtwPgaJqGye.5rGHPev mTBNsYBtV9Zy82nCegcrdZZEeK1RaT.Y_XsGyVkPtle4qbAl_3rST5NfxvhT oH5CrAZU5VT.kK7Ylcw8zdIFJssEc7SnkvKE93GjL7JChfvGNao1Hub47SQJ ALKemiBOHZSjYH._VvnHu07pRvz6VBimazP5jDOBgS4Raib9q3KaDUTTZzwI KRER4TzxBCTEmP9NoXoIjBeTiRnVxJuiD_xtfZ3B27Lgt5AlOgS__MAhbBZh mMjArt2hfm28NwTtnYeWsznUvPwl0XSVaiJ8kvI8BqxwRiuiFhtmmTU5Abcd FtBXmyHqPn2d3TOc7fSrnjw3DHbCDj77XrR3h42B6z8onKGCwKV6t4zW7Ls7 .FCeUp1Bi5wXIVXy9qOwIz67_WxNrpycRhR6zNjWE7xnq5PgidvO7V3ep6n1 5EFFoPgpdRJi6hOyVLU9g3pMtfszFu9FaISVO7jFUPsZruDZi4uqBWEVHXtO B1vpQTgpF14DYst9wmbESZNMqh9LfMzFBROU8xgwVDMvgCQfGmijxBh7uyqk nct.Hk5aMNDSeIGjNRR1I1KUNOLVUkYii0pzLdBwq65DZUorFHFJ1jXKzp9a 1R..WkzHcPi3.ZhIOHosVbRpKR_IQjP6Vpu7VVaoMvc4vm7uP5itomcR0N1Q 3Wk.y_kZ8nBs13XpeiH_YCqhy6drpl_.pBTDLTcfLdjZMCZ.mnw96.Adi0Ao 4jeOT_s.15phemcBNd8Q0rE9K3f0mzFhuVnfIRYondFTBMsj8zHiVfFhOXQl SqLTb.rSgael9n..K9bzBkORXY2B2f9wbeYqqIYPfoNnQPtJGy_0hfbKOba1 f0H8yThlzuQq1eqRFuyvfW9i0wOXi4teYyBTF2ldovPnXmjv0mMGI5yiTJMp yNZmFbUHVI4u5u.gP5PQbM4qx0LllaD8q1rJiczc1z1c- X-Received: from [71.174.172.130] by web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:31:01 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,VGhleSB3ZW50IHN0ZXJlbyBhIGZldyB5ZWFycyBhZ28uwqAgUGl4IGFyZSBvbiBORUNSQVQncyBzaXRlLg0KDQpKYXkNCg0KLS0tIE9uIE1vbiwgNC8xNS8xMywga2V2aW4gcmVkZGluZyA8YW1mbWR4QGNlbnR1cnl0ZWwubmV0PiB3cm90ZToNCg0KRnJvbToga2V2aW4gcmVkZGluZyA8YW1mbWR4QGNlbnR1cnl0ZWwubmV0Pg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IHtBTVNGfSBXQkxRDQpUbzogYW1zdGVyZW9mb3J1bUB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20NCkRhdGU6IE1vbmRheSwgQXByaWwgMTUsIDIwMTMsIDk6MzkgQU0NCg0KCgoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.140.532 Message-ID: <1366039861.30169.YahooMailClassic@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:31:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.91.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=-IjsJ9lkK0DyNJnrEj_Z6WIqWH8M8XA4_WGCq2CxAkxXu_ec6vKx X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They went stereo a few years ago.=C2=A0 Pix are on NECRAT's site. Jay --- On Mon, 4/15/13, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBLQ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 15, 2013, 9:39 AM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On Apr 14, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > STEREO 1230 WBLQ WESTERLY during the We Are Going to San Francisco famous= oldie recorded by John McKanzie. There was the lead guitar in one speaker = and the rest in the centre, I believe, but I WANT YOUR EARS AND YOUR OPINIO= N TOO, as fast swiorling platform motion can fake our impressions sometimes= , you know... Westerly used to be my hometown. It is possible that they have stereo but d= uring the 10 years I lived there during the AM stereo days and after they n= ever had AM stereo. I would suspect they are mono.=20 Kevin Crump, TN =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon Apr 15 09:45:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14797 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2013 16:44:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2013 16:44:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.94) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2013 16:44:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2013 16:44:59 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2013 16:44:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:44:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1366039861.30169.YahooMailClassic@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.56 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=lS7PxmfQuJ6bQXI5hEtYnq1YrPXoknnYMMv8oFn1UkreBXCDQ4VYNbc X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu 2009Diponti Communications moved the local news and variety programming of = WBLQ-LP (96.7 FM, Ashaway, Rhode Island) to WXNI's more powerful AM signal.= [6] WXNI begins broadcasting in C-QUAM A.M. Stereo. WXNI changes call lette= rs to WBLQ November 29. (Source: wikipedia) May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: Has anyone heard at least a few seconds of stereo separation from my = file ? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > They went stereo a few years ago.=C2=A0 Pix are on NECRAT's site. >=20 > Jay >=20 > --- On Mon, 4/15/13, kevin redding wrote: >=20 > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBLQ > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 15, 2013, 9:39 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > On Apr 14, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > STEREO 1230 WBLQ WESTERLY during the We Are Going to San Francisco famo= us oldie recorded by John McKanzie. There was the lead guitar in one speake= r and the rest in the centre, I believe, but I WANT YOUR EARS AND YOUR OPIN= ION TOO, as fast swiorling platform motion can fake our impressions sometim= es, you know... >=20 >=20 >=20 > Westerly used to be my hometown. It is possible that they have stereo but= during the 10 years I lived there during the AM stereo days and after they= never had AM stereo. I would suspect they are mono.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kevin >=20 > Crump, TN >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From acq@videotron.ca Mon Apr 15 18:33:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37091 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2013 01:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2013 01:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.239) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2013 01:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2013 01:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2013 01:33:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 01:33:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1365595899.12202.40945.w10@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.206 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=kqztmILBky3y2sBjdjupuFrm2yryBi3QKPSuR6GsqSJp3EHBgGnEWe4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu This is the only file that should be left from WIRY because it is the only = one with good mid fidelity and nothing but great separation... The sound is= reminiscent of the Abbey Road studio. I`m thinking of the COME TOGETHER re= cord by the Beatles... Just some feed for thoughts ! Cheers, Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /mp3-usa/28 - Peter Paul and Mary - A big rock and roll m= usic.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > Description : The drums and keyboards on one side and the voices on bot= h from around 1:06 min until toward the end of the song. This has better se= paration than WINY in Putnam so far, obviously... Also, it sounds remarkabl= y better in HQ 128 kBITS per second MP3 than in very low bitrate WAV and th= e HW original WAV takes too much space, sorry guys... Good listen anyway an= d feel free to compare it with WINY adjacent file (and channel) separation = on Correy Heart - Sunglasses at Night !!=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/28%20-%20Peter%= 20Paul%20and%20Mary%20-%20A%20big%20rock%20and%20roll%20music.mp3=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, >=20 > bogdanchiochiu > From acq@videotron.ca Mon Apr 15 18:37:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23536 invoked by uid 102); 16 Apr 2013 01:37:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2013 01:37:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26218 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2013 01:37:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.139) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2013 01:37:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2013 01:37:35 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2013 01:37:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 01:37:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1365976519.2538.55319.w2@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.206 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=2syaIswZO_w_cIw6RkoFP5Zlm5vNeGGYG0zFzOe7z3Rc88cibylp0aE X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu True stereo or platform motion illusion ?=20 Cheers, Bogdan Btw.: In the meantime I also e-mailed this to the owner of WBLQ. We will se= e if I am the only one hearing stereo snippets from so far away. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /mp3-usa/WBLQ_-_Scott_McKenzie_oldie.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > Description : During the later half of this song one can sometimes hear= the lead guitar in one speaker and the rest in the center... Is it true or= is it just a platform motion illusion ? Am I the only one who decoded C-QU= AM on a graveyard local channel from over 300 miles ? I am very pleased wit= h this aircheck. Heard on the Sony CFS 6000 - PK loop in Montreal, Pierrefo= nds, Quebec, Canada. I am waiting for some feedback !=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WBLQ_-_Scott_Mc= Kenzie_oldie.mp3=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, >=20 > bogdanchiochiu > From dannibou@yahoo.ca Fri Apr 19 10:48:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dannibou@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61387 invoked by uid 102); 19 Apr 2013 17:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2013 17:48:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5952 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2013 17:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.102) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2013 17:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 17:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 17:48:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:48:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 24.202.175.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.202.175.113 From: "dannibou" Subject: FS FRS-A100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63822044; y=4cW-c0Fa5JTSU6dnBYyjHIeKlggiF4mAHXpFhCjNuSK6We8 X-Yahoo-Profile: dannibou Very good condition. Photo on request. Please, serious inquiries only. Repl= y to my perso email, not on the group. Make me an offer. 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Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 11:19:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6484 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2013 18:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2013 18:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.122) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2013 18:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2013 18:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2013 18:19:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:18:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 181.163.188.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 181.163.188.202 From: "Jota" Subject: McMartin Issue (out of topic) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=C90w1z5tCnLsDz6Sy-gCO0YkQPbOXnStFoXcnpDBi-H5E55C5A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I know it is a full out of topic issue but... I need some help about the pr= oblem I have with my McMartin BA-2.5K MW AM TX. I've written two or three t= imes to Goodrich Enterprise (to the e-mail address they have in their web p= age) and I didn't get any answer from them. Does somebody know if they changed their e-mail address? Can somebody help me, calling them to ask them to check their e-mail inbox = folder, please? BTW: My problem is about the RF capacitor 500 pF 20 KV which is broken and = full useless. This capacitor is intended to link the two final RF amplifier= tubes (4-1000A) with the final RF tank (I guess it has to block the plate = high voltage, I don't know). I don't have get one in the web (all that I've= seen are too big). If somebody knows where I could get one (new or used, b= ut in good state), please let me know. Thanks a lot for your time!!! God bless you all!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 27 20:29:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96735 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2013 03:29:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2013 03:29:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-06.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.166) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2013 03:29:54 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.19] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130427222928103187800010> for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 22:29:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <517C978E.1010807@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 22:29:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 22:29:28 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130427-1, 04/27/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin Issue (out of topic) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=wxdMb0yCMfT2UVn08I_guRebgl7kaDx1GmQzgoCIWa_izEQfE1Vq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 4/26/2013 1:19 PM, Jota wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > > I know it is a full out of topic issue but... I need some help about the > problem I have with my McMartin BA-2.5K MW AM TX. > > BTW: My problem is about the RF capacitor 500 pF 20 KV which is broken > and full useless. This capacitor is intended to link the two final RF > amplifier tubes (4-1000A) with the final RF tank (I guess it has to > block the plate high voltage, I don't know). I don't have get one in the > web (all that I've seen are too big). If somebody knows where I could > get one (new or used, but in good state), please let me know. > > Your best bet is the phasor manufacturers such as Kintronic Labs, Phasetek, or LBA. You might also want to try Surplus Sales of Nebraska. 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We have a local that has brokered 6am-Noon Saturdays, a= nd it is the best radio all week. All local, all live, plays music you don'= t hear anywhere else, takes live requests, talks to the advertisers live - = in fact, one sponsor, an insurance agent didn't like talking on the phone, = so he actually comes to the studio and chats for 2 minutes and then goes on= his way. Glad to read about the music too - sound like maybe you'll need = AM stereo active too! All the best, John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > http://www.thesunchronicle.com/attleboro/local-talk-may-return-to-warl/ar= ticle_75f71438-d7f9-5e82-99e0-0dad92220c47.html > It's something I've wanted to do for 8 years & it comes true on Monday! > 73,Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 02 06:12:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90990 invoked from network); 2 May 2013 13:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2013 13:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.108) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2013 13:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 13:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 13:12:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 13:12:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1367312972.44412.YahooMailClassic@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Looking for AMS part X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=3NDkD0uhQd7JIfg-LPFANuj7tsLvNwUw7vs1A312RK0SlTGrDG8YBwg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Looking for a wideband Murata Cerafil 5-pin "leaded" (7.5KHz audio) I.F. fi= lter for 450KHz wideband. Similar to CFWLA450KEFA (7.5K) or KDFA (10KHz)? T= hanks John From brian32m@yahoo.com Sat May 04 06:06:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian32m@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99418 invoked from network); 4 May 2013 13:06:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2013 13:06:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.128) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2013 13:06:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2013 13:06:45 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2013 13:06:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 13:06:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.33.171.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.33.171.141 From: "brian54660" Subject: wxyg in st. cloud, mn X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101564996; y=55Wij46NZL5Dkg-JeklRdg_PFWWg0-BfyZ_vh3xcU76svGY X-Yahoo-Profile: brian54660 WXYG in St. Cloud, Minnesota has turned their AM Stereo back on as of this = week. 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Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: brian54660 Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: S=E1bado, 4 de Maio de 2013 10:06 Assunto: {AMSF} wxyg in st. cloud, mn =20 WXYG in St. Cloud, Minnesota has turned their AM Stereo back on as of this = week. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun May 05 07:09:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49812 invoked from network); 5 May 2013 14:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2013 14:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.158) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2013 14:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2013 14:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2013 14:08:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 14:08:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Re: wxyg in st. cloud, mn - SUGGESTIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=8HZ8IYeyvZC9M49hCfGRKL-bQNy-DlR4E9BZiAxLI4ZTNciX886YP_g X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio We should send them thanks;=20 also,=20 we should think about making a 'flyer' for AM stereo radio stations showing= photos of new and old radios that can receive CQUAM for their listeners. I= used to make up flyers at hamfests 10 years ago with photos of the UX1 and= Chrysler radios that received CQUAM along with a list of the 4 local stati= ons that were running CQUAM before the HD hellion came along. This would b= e something that station could put on their website as a link or mail to in= terested parties or take along to radio remotes - along with Playing the st= ation in stereo for listeners! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "brian54660" wrote: > > WXYG in St. Cloud, Minnesota has turned their AM Stereo back on as of thi= s week. > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun May 05 16:32:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57538 invoked from network); 5 May 2013 23:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2013 23:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm34-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.229.82) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2013 23:32:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2013 23:32:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.89.192] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 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Sun, 05 May 2013 16:32:34 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,V2Ugd2lsbCB3YW50IHRvIG1ha2UgaXQgYWN0aXZlISEhDQoNCjczIQ0KSmF5LCBOMVdWUS9WMzFWUS9XUUJJNDEwDQoNCi0tLSBPbiBUaHUsIDUvMi8xMywgU2FtIFF1YW50dW0gTGVhcCA8dG9sZWRvaGFtcmFkaW9AeWFob28uY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KRnJvbTogU2FtIFF1YW50dW0gTGVhcCA8dG9sZWRvaGFtcmFkaW9AeWFob28uY29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDoge0FNU0Z9IFJlOiBPVDogU2hhbWVsZXNzIHBsdWcNClRvOiBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbQ0KRGF0ZTogVGh1cnNkYXksIE1heSABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.141.536 Message-ID: <1367796754.62984.YahooMailClassic@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 98.138.229.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Shameless plug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=ECvtoryIGaXBDyrEo0RaU9XE9wP1C9FIlzVyOkyPvoXrKEOb0BZH X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We will want to make it active!!! 73! Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 5/2/13, Sam Quantum Leap wrote: From: Sam Quantum Leap Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Shameless plug To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013, 8:33 AM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Jay- this is great. We have a local that has brokered 6am-Noon Saturd= ays, and it is the best radio all week. All local, all live, plays music yo= u don't hear anywhere else, takes live requests, talks to the advertisers l= ive - in fact, one sponsor, an insurance agent didn't like talking on the p= hone, so he actually comes to the studio and chats for 2 minutes and then g= oes on his way. Glad to read about the music too - sound like maybe you'll= need AM stereo active too! All the best, John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > http://www.thesunchronicle.com/attleboro/local-talk-may-return-to-warl/ar= ticle_75f71438-d7f9-5e82-99e0-0dad92220c47.html > It's something I've wanted to do for 8 years & it comes true on Monday! > 73,Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sun May 05 16:37:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87939 invoked from network); 5 May 2013 23:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2013 23:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.111) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2013 23:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2013 23:37:39 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2013 23:37:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 23:37:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.39.212.190 From: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Subject: Re: Looking for AMS part X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=7rIrO-pc6A2zHvv97hDqx6wYtUI8Nq6CK8jsznFui-t_Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sam Quantum Leap" wrote: > > Looking for a wideband Murata Cerafil 5-pin "leaded" (7.5KHz audio) I.F. = filter for 450KHz wideband. Similar to CFWLA450KEFA (7.5K) or KDFA (10KHz)?= Thanks > John > Although these aren't the GDT flat gaussian type these 5 pin 7.5kHz filters= were widely used in the old analog cordless telephones but are usually centered at 455kHz which are ok for non DTR. The decoder resonator = will have be a 3.64mHz one or if it is an lc tank can be easily retuned. Yo= u might check ebay too. JSG From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon May 06 16:52:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17061 invoked by uid 102); 6 May 2013 23:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.135) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2013 23:52:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19792 invoked from network); 6 May 2013 23:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-07.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.167) by mta1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2013 23:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.19] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130506185227100457800011> for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 18:52:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <5188423A.6000501@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 18:52:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 18:52:27 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130506-1, 05/06/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} wxyg in st. cloud, mn X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=D2S7JPeQgSFgOjz8e-aSmH5RkQ4JXQIyxYlcDamlnrVMRpNKeQ7n X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/4/2013 8:06 AM, brian54660 wrote: > WXYG in St. Cloud, Minnesota has turned their AM Stereo back on as of > this week. > I never even knew they had it to begin with, but sure enough it's tripping the stereo indicator! Thanks for the tip. The owner is an acquaintance of mine. I'll have to see if he'll get some stereo gear for his classic country station WVAL 800. Scott Todd From jmrouse@mail.com Tue May 07 09:54:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78713 invoked from network); 7 May 2013 16:54:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2013 16:54:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.net) (74.208.4.200) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2013 16:54:04 -0000 X-Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([172.19.198.45]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmxus002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MUoFE-1V3UJ628cu-00Y7VU for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 18:54:04 +0200 X-Received: (qmail 15045 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2013 16:54:04 -0000 X-Received: from 71.246.17.44 by rms-us002 with HTTP Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 12:54:03 -0400 Message-ID: <20130507165403.67450@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: /FT7cT173zOlOgRR5nAhkNZ+IGRvb8Du X-Originating-IP: 74.208.4.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: wxyg in st. cloud, mn - SUGGESTIONS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=oillZN77zKQyuIUa7537ZuuHxKc-d4x27EbCu9CmMSCYNiC_xfHB X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like this idea. If listeners beieve that there are no receivers for this, then all thy will do is shrug & say "So what?" ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Quantum Leap Sent: 05/05/13 10:08 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: wxyg in st. cloud, mn - SUGGESTIONS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6ws@earthlink.net Tue May 07 11:12:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6ws@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61851 invoked from network); 7 May 2013 18:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2013 18:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2013 18:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from [99.66.144.66] (helo=[192.168.1.106]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UZmNN-0000Ky-FI for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 07 May 2013 14:12:33 -0400 Message-ID: <5189440F.1030906@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 11:12:31 -0700 Organization: Very little User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: bd16f1146586632f4d2b10475b5711200911787f064d1674f9aa6dc40b6cd18410da127345fe7d85350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W Spector Subject: Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23257389; y=pLwPAGnxy_lvn_b4bNvpqcvkDsEgKiWw9Yiq4ATehw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6ws Hi all, My first post to the group, so thank you to the moderators for approving me. I have several late-'80s/early-'90s Delco radios which are capable of AM stereo. Though, as with many of you, I don't have any local stations actually transmitting AM stereo. Strange, since I live in a fairly major market. (San Francisco Bay Area.) Nonetheless, I would like to fully understand and get the broken ones working again. These include: * A Cadillac/Bose AM/FM/CD-capable unit from a 1989 Seville. This has the desirable AM-ST switch to widen the bandpass. Being a Bose unit, it has preamp outputs. CD player actually works - unusual for a Delco of this vintage. But the radio portion is intermittent. * A Buick/Bose AM/FM/cassette unit from a 1990 Riviera. No AM-ST switch, but is supposed to receive AM stereo. Preamp level outputs. Cassette deck needs work... * A Buick AM/FM/CD unit from a '93 Lesabre. No AM-ST switch, but is also supposed to receive AM stereo. AM tunes up to 1710 khz. CD player doesn't work. My first order of business is to get the radio in the the Cadillac/Bose unit working. As mentioned above, it works intermittently. When tuning on AM, I can always hear the wide bandwidth setting getting narrowed down after a few seconds. So the intermittent component, or more likely cold solder joint, is upstream of wherever this happens. Does anyone have a schematic of the CDM box? I swapped the CDM box from the Buick/Bose head unit into the Cadillac head unit. It works fine, but does not do the wide/narrow bandwidth thing on AM. The AM-ST button has no effect. So if I go to a wrecking yard, I now know there are different versions of the CDM box, AM stereo-wise, to look for. It would also be interesting to know if there is some way the earlier radios can be reprogrammed to receive up to 1710 khz? Does the head unit need to command the CDM box for specific frequencies? Or is it totally a function of the CDM box (e.g., the head unit only sends up/down requests to the CDM box - so the CDM box sets the band limits?) Walt w6ws From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 08 05:47:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63459 invoked from network); 8 May 2013 12:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2013 12:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.128) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2013 12:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 12:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 12:47:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 12:47:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5189440F.1030906@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Re: Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_0VRtYbWNo7DRFQiSI4eMxM3CAv8rLteCcnBmvaqy7pU3Z-AwvOiS_c X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Walt - WELCOME to our group of people who like nice-sounding AM! I've found many of the Delco cassette decks and CD players to be identical = between radios, hence, simply moving 3 connectors and a dozen screws you mi= ght get lucky. I've not found a way to extend the Xband, so the unit with 1710 coverage wo= uld be the ideal one to try to get working. I'd prefer one with the pushbutton bandwidth - I've not heard a Delco with = the autobandwidth, unless that is not a feature? We are hoping WSM will soon add CQUAM stereo again, making a nice 50KW AM S= tereo music station for a dozen states. Also, there are small 'part 15' CQUAM transmitters. Chris Cuff on our list= used to sell the 'Alfredo Lite' crystal CQUAM transmitter and Sotiris ( @ = Apsisis?) in Greece sells a digital CQUAM transmitter.=20 Again welcome, and hopefully some of our group can help you out. We also h= ave some members on AM STEREO on facebook too. 73 John From w6ws@earthlink.net Wed May 08 06:38:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6ws@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9933 invoked from network); 8 May 2013 13:37:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2013 13:37:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2013 13:37:59 -0000 X-Received: from [99.66.144.66] (helo=[192.168.1.106]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ua4ZD-0006ZL-HM for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 08 May 2013 09:37:59 -0400 Message-ID: <518A5536.70201@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 06:37:58 -0700 Organization: Very little User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: bd16f1146586632f4d2b10475b5711201e4c9d46abfd189bc1fde4426f238694a823fa7160b7dfa0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W Spector Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23257389; y=ZEcH2t0slb7L59cdv9w10UeezRYsWyIBVnpZ6WT0HA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6ws On 05/08/2013 05:47 AM, Sam Quantum Leap wrote: > Hi Walt - WELCOME to our group of people who like nice-sounding AM! > > I've found many of the Delco cassette decks and CD players to be identical between radios, hence, simply moving 3 connectors and a dozen screws you might get lucky. Yes, my current interest is the higher end Delco radios from the late-80s to the mid-90s. Unfortunately publicly available (e.g., on the 'net) repair/service information on these seems very scarce. I bought a copy of the Delco "Sound Service: Auto Systems Diagnostic Guide" on ebay a while back, but it is not detailed enough to do any repair work. There is some level of interchangability. As I mentioned in my post, I can swap the CDM (receiver) boxes between my two Bose head units. The 15-pin connector between the CDM box and the head unit is the same, and has the same signals. Though only the Cadillac box supports the switchable AM-ST bandwidth. My slightly newer '93 unit has a 16-pin connection between the CDM box and the head unit. They added the new signal on pin 1, with the rest being shifted up a pin each. This is a non-Bose unit, so has a full power amplifier section. The broken CD player tries to read a disc, but then spits it out. I have a couple more of the same style of player, and would really like to know how to fix them. The broken cassette player probably just needs a belt. > I've not found a way to extend the Xband, so the unit with 1710 coverage would be the ideal one to try to get working. > I'd prefer one with the pushbutton bandwidth - I've not heard a Delco with the autobandwidth, unless that is not a feature? You can see a photo of both of my Buick units at the AM Stereo web site. Neither of them has the AM-ST switch: http://mysite.verizon.net/tekel/amstereo/buick94.jpg The non-Bose w/CD is top row in the center. The Bose w/cassette is center row on the right. (I also own a '90 Buick with the unit in the center row left. Fortunately it works perfectly.) Collect 'em all! :) The Cadillac Bose looks like this one: http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3429/481/21070240001_large.jpg > We are hoping WSM will soon add CQUAM stereo again, making a nice 50KW AM Stereo music station for a dozen states. Nice! > Also, there are small 'part 15' CQUAM transmitters. Chris Cuff on our list used to sell the 'Alfredo Lite' crystal CQUAM transmitter and Sotiris ( @ Apsisis?) in Greece sells a digital CQUAM transmitter. > > Again welcome, and hopefully some of our group can help you out. We also have some members on AM STEREO on facebook too. I will check it out. Thanks! > 73 > John From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Wed May 08 07:10:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96808 invoked from network); 8 May 2013 14:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2013 14:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm38-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.239.23) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2013 14:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm38.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 14:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.223] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 14:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 14:10:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 764177.75916.bm@omp1032.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 77348 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2013 14:10:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zL.rU3QVM1k8ArLkdKGWw47jvZla46Vy1y.IUETXVQ6OUEE We2HyJq8gkKhWAp8QaVH7Oq5jPoNuSbsscYnd8Og44HnFQRZ09_ZGmeRQk73 M_uBM6r7PCCtvaGwK0ptRvVWChV5nJhViJOp.vJXfExJRe.7xDqa0owK364g pu.bRw52mSRZQciKXCgHKRNIiSoz1LLhpsBNSwMIIvducVTssGFO.XvsoWfc kZBBru0H5gPTeALMlN2tPupANrna4KYqnTrr_AqoZ4E2z6I4s2cRMzH7jS57 2dcrs2fr68k1OfCieDEq5UUQmGu0oEfqqPHIKGONFmBTzicb1CF2cRiSWAiE BQ7hw._XWHlCV8dgjYdiNJ1IXjKhq8kNZgQGyt16R1sXVVH89umqz0zu2792 Oyco5.fYuaoC6DwTDKc.3n6aB9Mcu4auUG3rcb9PlDVcpZJkAzxsFCZBKvAr LjY0WSP2yQEqYpdmsNJlGAW57EnFPXb2s8osrD1KUmIjcWnZ51WNbpKL6Zgf 4n.JFd0frqGis6HAS2kKouS6C8IVS1YMVnOKMcu6peOABb0Ji4Ml_gIZtyWm Ef4ZcHVTRAp.EVBlvJGw6fwzSzaPPyOk3ez4kLVgs12arjARctEeN6bbt8RO zIHc9uFwXpjFOLo3a4anhPM6_UajF8MDcsOLPJgrzdSoXw_0gWXM2Y4yrDyG D5rm2xBrVx_HWl8eBqaNEEjiJhA0UUaF7j0vtB6_5dt4Y.Y8_UbW.7QNQqo1 _O8ZIWYNVLVKcXBuQlqe2Cs2JrbTyJj3bKUVB2mfajT5eo.AP8b9YkllVFrb XOljbKD0c_Yzpa3fCMXTpWtL14xBscRvJScCFOUnHfoiSgxN.m1LUWln4m75 yIKRNjMmjlDyUree_fH.sH5Ty67dgX.T3vTuN53p5dmmCGJzMEPiQBcIOrsJ lKHhjTI0Wkpx22_bZjo683vgsqGBKxJk9cUjdSM1WDrMv3D3Vrg6PesF1rcT wrIl_hHh1jxP17h4YjUiGGuuUDnprsaoU6X76QIfeKqYY7s8nNGQIr.1tPaU OpBAvIw-- X-Received: from [189.27.7.66] by web142305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2013 07:10:29 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,YW55b25lIGhhdmUgb25lIG9mIHRoZXNlIGZvciBjYXIgLHRvIHNlbGwgPwoKTmV0byBTaWx2YQpCcmFzaWxpYSBERgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRGU6IFcgU3BlY3RvciA8dzZ3c0BlYXJ0aGxpbmsubmV0PgpQYXJhOiBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSAKRW52aWFkYXM6IFF1YXJ0YS1mZWlyYSwgOCBkZSBNYWlvIGRlIDIwMTMgMTA6MzcKQXNzdW50bzogUmU6IHtBTVNGfSBSZTogRGVsY28gcmFkaW8gcmVzdG9yYXRpb24gcXVlc3Rpb25zCiAKCk9uIDABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.141.536 References: <518A5536.70201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1368022229.76365.YahooMailNeo@web142305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 07:10:29 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <518A5536.70201@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 72.30.239.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=F2B3yWxm7ESQtKrK3o9jnWniuvuIhiEUkWDaTr_QcqoZL3aG X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anyone have one of these for car ,to sell ? Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: W Spector Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 8 de Maio de 2013 10:37 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delco radio restoration questions =20 On 05/08/2013 05:47 AM, Sam Quantum Leap wrote: > Hi Walt - WELCOME to our group of people who like nice-sounding AM! > > I've found many of the Delco cassette decks and CD players to be identica= l between radios, hence, simply moving 3 connectors and a dozen screws you = might get lucky. Yes, my current interest is the higher end Delco radios from the=20 late-80s to the mid-90s.=A0 Unfortunately publicly available (e.g., on the= =20 'net) repair/service information on these seems very scarce.=A0 I bought a= =20 copy of the Delco "Sound Service: Auto Systems Diagnostic Guide" on ebay=20 a while back, but it is not detailed enough to do any repair work. There is some level of interchangability.=A0 As I mentioned in my post, I=20 can swap the CDM (receiver) boxes between my two Bose head units.=A0 The=20 15-pin connector between the CDM box and the head unit is the same, and=20 has the same signals.=A0 Though only the Cadillac box supports the=20 switchable AM-ST bandwidth. My slightly newer '93 unit has a 16-pin connection between the CDM box=20 and the head unit.=A0 They added the new signal on pin 1, with the rest=20 being shifted up a pin each. This is a non-Bose unit, so has a full=20 power amplifier section. The broken CD player tries to read a disc, but then spits it out.=A0 I=20 have a couple more of the same style of player, and would really like to=20 know how to fix them. The broken cassette player probably just needs a belt. > I've not found a way to extend the Xband, so the unit with 1710 coverage = would be the ideal one to try to get working. > I'd prefer one with the pushbutton bandwidth - I've not heard a Delco wit= h the autobandwidth, unless that is not a feature? You can see a photo of both of my Buick units at the AM Stereo web site.=20 =A0 Neither of them has the AM-ST switch: =A0 http://mysite.verizon.net/tekel/amstereo/buick94.jpg The non-Bose w/CD is top row in the center.=A0 The Bose w/cassette is=20 center row on the right.=A0 (I also own a '90 Buick with the unit in the=20 center row left.=A0 Fortunately it works perfectly.)=A0 Collect 'em all!=A0= :) The Cadillac Bose looks like this one: http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3429/481/21070240001_large.jpg > We are hoping WSM will soon add CQUAM stereo again, making a nice 50KW AM= Stereo music station for a dozen states. Nice! > Also, there are small 'part 15' CQUAM transmitters.=A0 Chris Cuff on our = list used to sell the 'Alfredo Lite' crystal CQUAM transmitter and Sotiris = ( @ Apsisis?) in Greece sells a digital CQUAM transmitter. > > Again welcome, and hopefully some of our group can help you out.=A0 We al= so have some members on AM STEREO on facebook too. I will check it out.=A0 Thanks! > 73 > John ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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I am glad to s= ee that still. His is not as active in AM STEREO stuff as his was 10 to 12 = years ago. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Wed May 08 16:39:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48223 invoked from network); 8 May 2013 23:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2013 23:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.214) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2013 23:39:21 -0000 X-Received: from BAY166-W12 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 8 May 2013 16:39:21 -0700 X-EIP: [RCchlnqW5JvVVIh8oAg/kePdkpMtcyP6] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 19:39:21 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1368055344.35780.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1368055344.35780.YahooMailClassic@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2013 23:39:21.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[43F86610:01CE4C45] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.190.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} A.L TX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=3JzpAmihBlQlpDXmG3uxEas9sUfdBrRS-P_TXke1KZPazfjkTT3tkGkx Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I'm still here and I still make transmitters. Thanks! Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com CC: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 16:22:24 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} A.L TX =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Gang Chris Cuff still sells his A.L TXs on and off. I am glad to= see that still. His is not as active in AM STEREO stuff as his was 10 to 1= 2 years ago. 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Jim S --- On Wed, 5/8/13, Chris Cuff wrote: From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} A.L TX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 4:39 PM Yes, I'm still here and I still make transmitters. Thanks! Chris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com CC: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 16:22:24 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} A.L TX =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hi Gang=A0 Chris Cuff=A0 still sells his A.L TXs on and off. I = am glad to see that still. His is not as active in AM STEREO stuff as his w= as 10 to 12 years ago. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0=20 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 09 10:29:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 434 invoked by uid 102); 9 May 2013 17:29:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2013 17:29:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18875 invoked from network); 9 May 2013 17:29:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.180) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2013 17:29:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.179] by ng9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 17:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 17:29:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 17:29:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1368022229.76365.YahooMailNeo@web142305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=O645a9pSxg1werYmYzgUhyOp5z7Q36N9W_i3a_hfEyfXZFjX3R-pXkA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yes, but, they only have 10KHz AM / MW spacing and most only go up to 1610 = or 1620 KHz. Would that work for your application? J --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neto Silva wrote: > > anyone have one of these for car ,to sell ? >=20 > Neto Silva > Brasilia DF >=20 >=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu May 09 14:38:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14079 invoked from network); 9 May 2013 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2013 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-07.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.167) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2013 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from [74.117.245.19] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v5/:PHNjb3R0bjBic3RAdXNmYW1pbHkubmV0PjxhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4-) with SMTP id <20130509163736101411000011> for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 16:37:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <518C171B.90909@usfamily.net> X-Source-Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 16:37:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 16:37:36 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <5189440F.1030906@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <5189440F.1030906@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130508-0, 05/08/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=puFT_CXXgERsW4-sMNgOg6m4_Yo_ZEj_HDFyFFg7Rdw5cj3VRSug X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On 5/7/2013 1:12 PM, W Spector wrote: > Hi all, > > My first post to the group, so thank you to the moderators for approving me. > > I have several late-'80s/early-'90s Delco radios which are capable of AM > stereo. Though, as with many of you, I don't have any local stations > actually transmitting AM stereo. Strange, since I live in a fairly > major market. (San Francisco Bay Area.) Nonetheless, I would like to > fully understand and get the broken ones working again. These include: > > Doesn't surprise me at all that there are no stereo stations there- the big markets always push for the latest and greatest technology regardless of whether it's truly better. Radio tuning range is generally flashed onto one of the chips and can't be altered. Even if you could, the varactors in these earlier radios wouldn't handle the extra range very well. I've got a 1991 Nissan radio that tuned the EB long before most others would but the Q of the tuned circuits left a lot to be desired. When visiting the Milwaukee area a station on 1560 bled all over 1640 though the reverse never happened. Now that these radios are a few decades old, the manufacturers should be more willing to sell the service info to you. Try contacting a local dealer to find out where they send theirs out for service and see if they'll help. 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No A= MS but=C2=A0 3 AM HDs. Jim S --- On Thu, 5/9/13, Scott Todd wrote: From: Scott Todd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco radio restoration questions To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 2:37 PM =C2=A0=20 On 5/7/2013 1:12 PM, W Spector wrote: > Hi all, > > My first post to the group, so thank you to the moderators for approving = me. > > I have several late-'80s/early-'90s Delco radios which are capable of AM > stereo. Though, as with many of you, I don't have any local stations > actually transmitting AM stereo. Strange, since I live in a fairly > major market. (San Francisco Bay Area.) Nonetheless, I would like to > fully understand and get the broken ones working again. These include: > > Doesn't surprise me at all that there are no stereo stations there- the=20 big markets always push for the latest and greatest technology=20 regardless of whether it's truly better. Radio tuning range is generally flashed onto one of the chips and can't=20 be altered. Even if you could, the varactors in these earlier radios=20 wouldn't handle the extra range very well. I've got a 1991 Nissan radio=20 that tuned the EB long before most others would but the Q of the tuned=20 circuits left a lot to be desired. When visiting the Milwaukee area a=20 station on 1560 bled all over 1640 though the reverse never happened. Now that these radios are a few decades old, the manufacturers should be=20 more willing to sell the service info to you. Try contacting a local=20 dealer to find out where they send theirs out for service and see if=20 they'll help. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ninjarider100@yahoo.com Thu May 09 22:43:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ninjarider100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46817 invoked from network); 10 May 2013 05:43:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.131) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2013 05:43:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.168) by mta4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2013 05:43:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 05:43:44 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 05:43:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 05:43:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5189440F.1030906@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 76.183.105.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.183.105.236 From: "ninjarider100" Subject: Re: Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=528075768; y=NjeFrlaVijBeVO2aRYS0uakZSL5YT_sk0Y3J75eJnA3eyA3x62xsUg X-Yahoo-Profile: ninjarider100 A friend of has in storage all the delco service information from roughly 8= 5 to 94. It came from a closed delco service center. If you have a specif= ic model or board your looking for we may be able to find something to help= you out. Be warned some of this is in microfiche and may be a bugger to h= ave transferred. JJ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W Spector wrote: > > Hi all, >=20 > My first post to the group, so thank you to the moderators for approving = me. >=20 > I have several late-'80s/early-'90s Delco radios which are capable of AM= =20 > stereo. Though, as with many of you, I don't have any local stations=20 > actually transmitting AM stereo. Strange, since I live in a fairly=20 > major market. (San Francisco Bay Area.) Nonetheless, I would like to=20 > fully understand and get the broken ones working again. These include: >=20 > * A Cadillac/Bose AM/FM/CD-capable unit from a 1989 Seville. This has= =20 > the desirable AM-ST switch to widen the bandpass. Being a Bose unit, it= =20 > has preamp outputs. CD player actually works - unusual for a Delco of=20 > this vintage. But the radio portion is intermittent. >=20 > * A Buick/Bose AM/FM/cassette unit from a 1990 Riviera. No AM-ST=20 > switch, but is supposed to receive AM stereo. Preamp level outputs.=20 > Cassette deck needs work... >=20 > * A Buick AM/FM/CD unit from a '93 Lesabre. No AM-ST switch, but is=20 > also supposed to receive AM stereo. AM tunes up to 1710 khz. CD player= =20 > doesn't work. >=20 > My first order of business is to get the radio in the the Cadillac/Bose=20 > unit working. As mentioned above, it works intermittently. When tuning= =20 > on AM, I can always hear the wide bandwidth setting getting narrowed=20 > down after a few seconds. So the intermittent component, or more likely= =20 > cold solder joint, is upstream of wherever this happens. >=20 > Does anyone have a schematic of the CDM box? >=20 > I swapped the CDM box from the Buick/Bose head unit into the Cadillac=20 > head unit. It works fine, but does not do the wide/narrow bandwidth=20 > thing on AM. The AM-ST button has no effect. So if I go to a wrecking=20 > yard, I now know there are different versions of the CDM box, AM=20 > stereo-wise, to look for. >=20 > It would also be interesting to know if there is some way the earlier=20 > radios can be reprogrammed to receive up to 1710 khz? Does the head=20 > unit need to command the CDM box for specific frequencies? Or is it=20 > totally a function of the CDM box (e.g., the head unit only sends=20 > up/down requests to the CDM box - so the CDM box sets the band limits?) >=20 > Walt w6ws > From ninjarider100@yahoo.com Thu May 09 22:52:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ninjarider100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18001 invoked by uid 102); 10 May 2013 05:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.150) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2013 05:52:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13569 invoked from network); 10 May 2013 05:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.213) by mta2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2013 05:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 05:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 05:52:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 05:52:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 76.183.105.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.183.105.236 From: "ninjarider100" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 1300 and 1310 manual available for posting. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=528075768; y=rl1KNrl7GGh9HIpsJZOVCW7jzB7MFRZqS4fGcoAFEjl1Wb_Hbs89nQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ninjarider100 The crew over at meduci have posted the manual on their website. Scroll do= wn the front page and you should find it. JJ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer wrot= e: > > i would like that manual in pdf. i have a hardcopy but would like a pdf=20 > backup. let me know where it winds up being posted >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "pdmtr" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:13 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 1300 and 1310 manual available for posting. >=20 >=20 > > IMHO the best place to upload such a large maual and be available to al= l=20 > > anytime, is the KO4BB excellent site... See below > > > > http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/ > > > > It is free and accepts any file size using ftp instructions to upload i= t. > > > > Best regards > > Sotiris Pdmtr > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ninjarider100" = =20 > > wrote: > >> > >> I scanned the complete manual for the 1300 and 1310 exciter and monito= r=20 > >> today at work using a large format scanner for the drawings. Its 249= =20 > >> pages or so and runs about 34Mb. Send me an email and lets see if we = can=20 > >> get this posted somewhere. > >> > >> JJ > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From w6ws@earthlink.net Fri May 10 07:02:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6ws@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15760 invoked by uid 102); 10 May 2013 14:02:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2013 14:02:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9663 invoked from network); 10 May 2013 14:02:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.68) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2013 14:02:50 -0000 X-Received: from [99.66.144.66] (helo=[192.168.1.106]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UanuM-0000Dp-Iu; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: <518CFE08.9060203@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 07:02:48 -0700 Organization: Very little User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ninjarider100 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: bd16f1146586632f4d2b10475b5711203f36122351e2ccaa891f417d24e893fb548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W Spector Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23257389; y=qKFHutqzTdWuaoaiyPXg2l08qWxm23gIR9ziZmIG3w X-Yahoo-Profile: w6ws JJ, That is a very kind offer. I have sent you an email with more details. Thanks! Walt w6ws On 05/09/2013 10:43 PM, ninjarider100 wrote: > > A friend of has in storage all the delco service information from roughly 85 to 94. It came from a closed delco service center. If you have a specific model or board your looking for we may be able to find something to help you out. Be warned some of this is in microfiche and may be a bugger to have transferred. > > JJ > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W Spector wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> My first post to the group, so thank you to the moderators for approving me. >> >> I have several late-'80s/early-'90s Delco radios which are capable of AM >> stereo. Though, as with many of you, I don't have any local stations >> actually transmitting AM stereo. Strange, since I live in a fairly >> major market. (San Francisco Bay Area.) Nonetheless, I would like to >> fully understand and get the broken ones working again.... From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri May 10 07:20:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21607 invoked by uid 102); 10 May 2013 14:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2013 14:20:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6201 invoked from network); 10 May 2013 14:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.252.208) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2013 14:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 282347004B72B for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:20:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgd004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.9]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 82502E000082 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <83115.4992cd9f.3ebe5c1e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:20:14 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:383897024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2949518d021e0e63 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=LFZj2GupoJIhPf7FPVfx2PCm9CcCFBK568nMS1H9Rc2AO8ulYJIa X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Hi, If you want to experiment with high-quality Delco AM-Stereo capable car radios I suggest you should concentrate on the 1994-1997 Delco UX1 series that were used most commonly in the Chevy S10, Blazer and GMC Sonoma vehicles. These have the manual narrow/wide bandwidth switch that also switches the radio from AM mono (narrow) to AM Stereo (wide). They have digital tuning in 10kHz steps and include the AM Expanded Band up to 1710 kHz. The wide bandwidth setting also works very well to increase the bandwidth of AM mono stations The Delco AM mono only versions of the UX1 also work very well with the addition of an outboard AM-Stereo decoder that ties into the 450kHz IF of the radios. Meduci and Aspisys make very good outboard AM-Stereo decoders. The Delco UX1 series car radios are considered some of the best car radios GM/Delco ever made over the years. 73 Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 5/7/2013 2:12:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, w6ws@earthlink.net writes: My first post to the group, so thank you to the moderators for approving me. I have several late-'80s/early-'90s Delco radios which are capable of AM stereo. Though, as with many of you, I don't have any local stations actually transmitting AM stereo. Strange, since I live in a fairly major market. (San Francisco Bay Area.) Nonetheless, I would like to fully understand and get the broken ones working again. These include: * A Cadillac/Bose AM/FM/CD-capable unit from a 1989 Seville. This has the desirable AM-ST switch to widen the bandpass. Being a Bose unit, it has preamp outputs. CD player actually works - unusual for a Delco of this vintage. But the radio portion is intermittent. * A Buick/Bose AM/FM/cassette unit from a 1990 Riviera. No AM-ST switch, but is supposed to receive AM stereo. Preamp level outputs. Cassette deck needs work... * A Buick AM/FM/CD unit from a '93 Lesabre. No AM-ST switch, but is also supposed to receive AM stereo. AM tunes up to 1710 khz. CD player doesn't work. From w6ws@earthlink.net Fri May 10 12:55:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6ws@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81533 invoked by uid 102); 10 May 2013 19:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2013 19:55:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17934 invoked from network); 10 May 2013 19:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2013 19:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from [99.66.144.66] (helo=[192.168.1.106]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UatPx-0002B7-DN; Fri, 10 May 2013 15:55:49 -0400 Message-ID: <518D50C3.6090805@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 12:55:47 -0700 Organization: Very little User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: toddroberts2001@aol.com References: <83115.4992cd9f.3ebe5c1e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <83115.4992cd9f.3ebe5c1e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: bd16f1146586632f4d2b10475b571120e08a91fcdf451c0924a1460cc134c5258858d97c050d2b86350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W Spector Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23257389; y=2vY1lKG5kJuGEam5mR1ZnyILAqThLscgSB34b_5wIw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6ws On 05/10/2013 07:20 AM, toddroberts2001@aol.com wrote: > If you want to experiment with high-quality Delco > AM-Stereo capable car radios I suggest you should > concentrate on the 1994-1997 Delco UX1 series that > were used most commonly in the Chevy S10, Blazer and > GMC Sonoma vehicles. My primary interest is in the Delcos used in the late-80s and early-'90s GM E-Body cars. (E.g., Buick Riviera and Reatta, Olds Toronado, and Cadillac Seville, and Eldorado.) Mostly because I own one, and am experimenting with various period units to try to figure out the best approach for a 'factory looking' sound system. As a long time AM listener, good AM reception is important to me. I am also messing around with various ways of interfacing AUX inputs. Now that I joined this group, it seems that I should probably look for a UX1 to see what the fuss is about. Maybe next time I visit one of the local Pick-N-Pulls. Factory cassette radios are pretty inexpensive there, about $20/each, because no one generally wants them. > These have the manual narrow/wide bandwidth switch that > also switches the radio from AM mono (narrow) to AM Stereo (wide). > They have digital tuning in 10kHz steps and include the AM Expanded > Band up to 1710 kHz. The wide bandwidth setting also works very well > to increase the bandwidth of AM mono stations In the Caddy unit I have, it seems like the wide/narrow bandwidth is done at the audio level, and not in the RF chain. Would that be accurate? The adjacent channel selectivity does not seem to be that great. > The Delco AM mono only versions of the UX1 also work very well with the > addition of an outboard AM-Stereo decoder that ties into the 450kHz > IF of the radios. Meduci and Aspisys make very good outboard AM-Stereo > decoders. > > The Delco UX1 series car radios are considered some of the best > car radios GM/Delco ever made over the years. > > 73 Todd WD4NGG Walt w6ws From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat May 11 05:44:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25256 invoked by uid 102); 11 May 2013 12:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2013 12:44:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10676 invoked from network); 11 May 2013 12:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.143.75) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2013 12:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 08469700000BF for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 08:44:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgc002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CE10CE000083 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 08:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <15be86.744cf514.3ebf9728@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 08:44:24 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:480155360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c518e3d283f91 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=b3UsDZzWgovJBWdSsJJyDyx73_DtRPOyV0GE1177FdFK8h62Akth X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I am not familiar with how they change the bandwidth in the Caddy radio but in the Delco UX1 series the wide/narrow bandwidth is done by switching in different IF filters. If you need more information on a particular Delco Radio model I suggest you get in touch with Tom Murray over at United Motors Service near Rochester, NY. Tom is an expert on Delco radios and has almost every manual for the Delcos going back to the 50's and 60's, He mostly works on the older Delco radios but he has service manuals up to 1994. He can supply copies of the schematics for just about any model Delco radio but he charges a price for the copies. Well worth it if you can't find a schematic anywhere else though. He is also an AM Stereo fan and told me he has one of Chris Cuffs' AM Stereo transmitters so he is AM Stereo friendly when it comes to Delco radios! You can contact him through his website : http://www.delcoradiotek.com/ 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 5/10/2013 3:55:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, w6ws@earthlink.net writes: In the Caddy unit I have, it seems like the wide/narrow bandwidth is done at the audio level, and not in the RF chain. Would that be accurate? The adjacent channel selectivity does not seem to be that great. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 13 12:48:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7197 invoked by uid 102); 13 May 2013 19:46:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2013 19:46:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1062 invoked from network); 13 May 2013 19:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.180) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2013 19:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 19:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 19:46:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 19:46:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83115.4992cd9f.3ebe5c1e@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=quuNIcNOrxbMXDdOk5YKrPdh4SsR-RGIF0F0l5Jxp8un5cvOP0zV1I8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio For an AUX input, I would cut the traces coming off of the FM Stereo circui= try and run it to a 1/8" (3.5mm) stereo jack that would switch off the FM w= hen an AUX plug is inserted if you can find a tiny spot for it, or dongle i= t off the unit?=20 From w6ws@earthlink.net Mon May 13 19:33:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6ws@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28619 invoked by uid 102); 14 May 2013 02:33:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2013 02:33:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19588 invoked from network); 14 May 2013 02:33:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2013 02:33:20 -0000 X-Received: from [99.66.144.66] (helo=[192.168.1.106]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Uc53I-0006k4-HT for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 May 2013 22:33:20 -0400 Message-ID: <5191A26F.3010003@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 19:33:19 -0700 Organization: Very little User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: bd16f1146586632f4d2b10475b57112028599411abfdbb19eb812713aa96dbfcb4c15e11771f6bed350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W Spector Subject: Re: {AMSF} Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23257389; y=FkX96YGABpChiJjWKtxUfJ1q5sgI6T02OndREMz60A X-Yahoo-Profile: w6ws Hi, On 05/13/2013 12:46 PM, Sam Quantum Leap wrote: > For an AUX input, I would cut the traces coming off of the FM Stereo circuitry and run it to a 1/8" (3.5mm) stereo jack that would switch off the FM when an AUX plug is inserted if you can find a tiny spot for it, or dongle it off the unit? All these have Delco CDM boxes which have a connection on the back for AUX input. The trick is to know how to activate it for the different units. The '90 Riviera Bose head unit is easy. It was originally available with an optional CD player. There yet another connector on the back of the unit which has a pin for 'someone stuck a disk in the CD player'. Apply 12v to the pin and it commands the CDM box to switch to the AUX input. Remove 12v and it switches back. Both the '89 Caddy Bose head unit and the '93 Lesabre head unit also have the additional connector. But they are wired differently, and I am not sure which, if any, of the pins can be used to enable the AUX input on the CDM box. Since both of the head units already have CD players, it may be that neither of them support the AUX input. This is another case where it would be nice to have some TOO and service info... Walt w6ws From bratina501@msn.com Tue May 14 18:50:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1528 invoked by uid 102); 15 May 2013 01:50:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2013 01:50:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19266 invoked from network); 15 May 2013 01:50:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.198) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2013 01:50:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 01:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 01:50:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 01:50:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <518A5536.70201@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 108.79.215.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 108.79.215.140 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=SlB5dnrIyjgtM4kjOKCCz1zUyaSbCzmFyqkwL4JsvM2J4PvHaA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 There are some UX-1 radios with the original face styling out there which t= une in the AM expanded band but you either have to see one first hand or ge= t lucky. More than likely what happened was that Delco quietly changed out = the ETR integrated circuit in 1990 in order to get ready to offer expanded = band AM stereo tuners. Some made in 1990 and 1991 will more than likely tun= e in the expanded band. Got one off of eBay a while back and when I powered= it up I got one heck of a surprise finding out the dial coverage was 530-1= 710 KHz and this one was made in 1990 for a 1991 model year vehicle. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W Spector wrote: > > On 05/08/2013 05:47 AM, Sam Quantum Leap wrote: > > I've not found a way to extend the Xband, so the unit with 1710 coverag= e would be the ideal one to try to get working. From w6ws@earthlink.net Tue May 14 22:42:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6ws@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62197 invoked by uid 102); 15 May 2013 05:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2013 05:42:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27268 invoked from network); 15 May 2013 05:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2013 05:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from [99.66.144.66] (helo=[192.168.1.106]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UcUTZ-0007oi-TL for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 15 May 2013 01:42:10 -0400 Message-ID: <51932030.5050104@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:42:08 -0700 Organization: Very little User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: bd16f1146586632f4d2b10475b571120471e23329773b0225bb0e2da8679918247f3766457075bf4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W Spector Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23257389; y=QzaHjTBRklwJ3vxNJ_3ggRSlJwQKCCMJMVNXXBa91A X-Yahoo-Profile: w6ws My '89 Caddy Bose and '90 Buick radios (both Bose and non-Bose in a couple of different cars) tune 530-1620. The '93 Buick (non-Bose, but with AM stereo and CD player) goes up to 1710. Cadillac redesigned the Seville and Eldorado for the '92 model year. I would wager the radios got X-band at the same time due to their respective redesign. Unfortunately it seems the '92-onwards radios did not get the AM-ST button and capability. Guess they figured most of their customers had no idea what the AM-ST button was for. I may have spoken in haste about the '89-'91 Cadillac unit doing the narrow/wide switching at the audio level. As mentioned previously, the radio in my unit is intermittent. But when it was working a bit today, I listened more closely to what is going on. When it doesn't detect a AM stereo signal, it does the automatic switch to narrow and does sound like it is doing the narrowing at the IF level. Adjacent channel QRM drops down down quite noticeably. Walter On 05/14/2013 06:50 PM, nicholas wrote: > There are some UX-1 radios with the original face styling out there which tune in the AM expanded band but you either have to see one first hand or get lucky. More than likely what happened was that Delco quietly changed out the ETR integrated circuit in 1990 in order to get ready to offer expanded band AM stereo tuners. Some made in 1990 and 1991 will more than likely tune in the expanded band. Got one off of eBay a while back and when I powered it up I got one heck of a surprise finding out the dial coverage was 530-1710 KHz and this one was made in 1990 for a 1991 model year vehicle. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W Spector wrote: >> >> On 05/08/2013 05:47 AM, Sam Quantum Leap wrote: > >>> I've not found a way to extend the Xband, so the unit with 1710 coverage would be the ideal one to try to get working. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 15 10:29:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40165 invoked by uid 102); 15 May 2013 17:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2013 17:29:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13062 invoked from network); 15 May 2013 17:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2013 17:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 17:29:20 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2013 17:29:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 17:29:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51932030.5050104@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Delco radio restoration questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=lmLLkGDg1Af9Vgtb1f0Y7PL_3hMqJ9KGxgE6Zy9tLrW-zGv3ll98o3k X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I bought (wasted money on) a 1996 Caddy radio - that's when I found out tha= t they had to have a VIN number match in the computer or the radio was a wo= rthless box of parts...that being said, there WAS an AM stereo chip and dec= ent I.F. filter in the radio, until some idiot (me) applied too much heat f= rom the soldering iron trying to remove the wideband AM I.F. filter and mel= ted/detroyed the I.F. filter. Everything was so dinky (SM technology) that= you couldn't mess with the radio at all like you could the 80's and early = 90's radios. J --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W Spector wrote: > > My '89 Caddy Bose and '90 Buick radios ( From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 16 06:50:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64672 invoked by uid 102); 16 May 2013 13:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2013 13:50:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2091 invoked from network); 16 May 2013 13:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.168) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2013 13:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2013 13:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2013 13:50:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 13:50:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Assistance on Car Wiring Connector Pinouts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zV1nJlUDqBPR-IzO0UZs1sBd6FzGKWkouELhUnMAaL8hVomN8qsMsd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hello all, Does anyone have a connection (no pun intented) that could help me obtain t= he pin-out of the radio connector on a 2012 Dodge (RES) radio? I still am intent on working out some sort of a CQUAM in the car in anticip= ation of WSM CQUAM broadcast operations. Thanks for any leads on this info. 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Can some = one help me with that please? I do like the FM side of it. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat May 18 19:05:47 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41749 invoked by uid 102); 19 May 2013 02:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 02:05:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 7815 invoked from network); 19 May 2013 02:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.128) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 02:05:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1368929146; bh=uYNqwR7NrTfWdf9brHhlfSsdIUtPnnQD4iniA7IYQ98=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zNPCrlWQxkhdVvQqRYSAGeDiEmNuTyOyy2DyOMnq6AMDLbrcQ4rvZ/s86yXthyWmHzr1eMB8dY2FVUZyapvljtmIvyKc/mhUBrmbQUESI/4/hjsTgjesPWDb9uueiWq9AKa8bv7vm4QYhBTaFqfaZtXHNOWa7jxGRyfo+96YGVw= Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2013 02:05:46 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2013 02:05:46 -0000 Date: 19 May 2013 02:05:45 -0000 Message-ID: <1368929145.3079.13328.w6@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Bear Money by Kid Moore, a new country record airchecked from 1490 WIKE Newport, VT in C-QUAM STEREO on the Sony CFS-6000 and 6 DURACEL 6V today May 18, 2013 just before 1800 EDT via GROUNDWAVE on the Magog, QC beach, 140 km from my regulars QTHs... Any comments ? This is my best experience of AM stereo yet ! Have you heard better ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat May 18 19:36:18 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56166 invoked by uid 102); 19 May 2013 02:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 02:36:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 16735 invoked from network); 19 May 2013 02:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.111) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 02:36:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1368930977; bh=25Os9F31G1iP7vy/uJmcVhJVg0yDORWzMLhzLozjXT0=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mlJX9vrEOh1+y8BpLk8JqFKHP5+w5He3LCZGUBLc4WhIoJ8Td4viUfDm/cBIH8mqLMD/qUva6HQPAGd/lovP1LMmXwPd9glVpnnJrkdcAQSLcjnz2gMYmij7VQUpNPAz/6I7ShKSbiTW00QaVi8QfbRYDkgFe7GIk1eCEh/WTK4= Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2013 02:36:17 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2013 02:36:17 -0000 Date: 19 May 2013 02:36:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1368930977.1592.96049.w2@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/25_WIKE1490C-QUAM_jingle.wav Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : I was visiting Magog today, a small town on the north shore of the Memphremagog lake, and recorded what is BY FAR my BEST-EVER jingle capture of a C-QUAM broadcaster on a C90 Maxell tape using the Sony CFS 6000 boombox supplied by Chris Cuff a few months ago and the Australian PK AM loop antenna... Thanks Chris and also thanks Paul Karlstrand ! Without both of you this jingle aircheck would have been a joke ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/25_WIKE1490C-QUAM_jingle.wav To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sat May 18 19:55:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53225 invoked by uid 102); 19 May 2013 02:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 02:55:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30075 invoked from network); 19 May 2013 02:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vb0-f53.google.com) (209.85.212.53) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 02:55:49 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id i3so3157517vbh.12 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 19:55:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.107.104 with SMTP id hb8mr5018541veb.50.1368932149232; Sat, 18 May 2013 19:55:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.172.132 with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2013 19:55:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.172.132 with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2013 19:55:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1368929145.3079.13328.w6@yahoogroups.com> References: <1368929145.3079.13328.w6@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 10:55:49 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=ihxWWhtlOXa9AnsawjhwrAqkKtBNQ9KAbKAMu1AUng1V7mZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's really good! (Though not my taste in music :-) On May 19, 2013 10:05 AM, wrote: > ** > > > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu > Description : Bear Money by Kid Moore, a new country record airchecked > from 1490 WIKE Newport, VT in C-QUAM STEREO on the Sony CFS-6000 and 6 > DURACEL 6V today May 18, 2013 just before 1800 EDT via GROUNDWAVE on the > Magog, QC beach, 140 km from my regulars QTHs... Any comments ? This is m= y > best experience of AM stereo yet ! Have you heard better ? > > You can access this file at the URL: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid= _Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, > > bogdanchiochiu > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sat May 18 20:17:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45834 invoked by uid 102); 19 May 2013 03:17:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 03:17:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24276 invoked from network); 19 May 2013 03:17:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 03:17:06 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed; reply-type=original X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.163.112.145]) by VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MN000G0EZSG2YS0@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 18 May 2013 23:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1368929145.3079.13328.w6@yahoogroups.com> In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 23:16:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=Q4oPXqB53H9FGIKGXu9q_TsWkPhr5E5VMLifRp5_j3tL9p6qwMXr86c X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Thanks ! It has been a while since I didn`t hear anything interesting in C-QUAM. I then remembered there where some glimpses of stereo separation on WIKE 1490 during short-skip graveayrd skip good conditions, but was not sure whether they were REALLY stereo or just platform motion stereo-like effect dropping in ! So I decided to go with my father to Magog, which is close enough to Newport, VT and here it was, the miracle of 1490 AM on the Sony CFS 6000 boombox ! The most amazing is that the signal was not only slightly stronger than the FMers but was really Hi-Fi and a type of AM Stereo listening experience I was never used to and only heard of on YouTube... They even brand themselves as Stereo 1490 but ONLY during the weather forecasts... More on that for those that are not convinced later on... One last question: is WIKE or WBLQ the AM Stereo broadcaster FURTHEST EAST in North America ? What about VOCM ? May the good C-QUAM sound bless your ears ! Bogdan Chiochiu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > That's really good! (Though not my taste in music :-) > On May 19, 2013 10:05 AM, wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> This email message is a notification to let you know that >> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum >> group. >> >> File : /mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 >> Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu >> Description : Bear Money by Kid Moore, a new country record airchecked >> from 1490 WIKE Newport, VT in C-QUAM STEREO on the Sony CFS-6000 and 6 >> DURACEL 6V today May 18, 2013 just before 1800 EDT via GROUNDWAVE on the >> Magog, QC beach, 140 km from my regulars QTHs... Any comments ? This is >> my >> best experience of AM stereo yet ! Have you heard better ? >> >> You can access this file at the URL: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 >> >> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: >> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html >> Regards, >> >> bogdanchiochiu >> >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun May 19 04:39:55 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78823 invoked by uid 102); 19 May 2013 11:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 11:39:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 24276 invoked from network); 19 May 2013 11:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.108) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 11:39:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1368963594; bh=fyhnhRvO1+hAT+GBmrTqUcMJ2TMNdayCXt3ziSuOf4I=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gzv9/+OXnVeBpEz2kQuGf2VfQ5WSnataAyBzxBq5cmuviNFHVpVKZkZTJHTb7FRyh5jdLQ0Ecq+uEMxm2AD5wggKNsmiguoYSo1rwOaJSr7DLvA0dylVonQf5CgGgdOELVeU5pjQZ2EQDMxpYJBsin/pTYCrFww1zGw0KumKTu8= Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2013 11:39:54 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2013 11:39:54 -0000 Date: 19 May 2013 11:39:53 -0000 Message-ID: <1368963593.1040.34428.w2@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/40 - WIKE - station branding.wav Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : The BEST station branding ever possible because it is related to AM Stereo ! Recorded locally yesturday in Magog, QC on a Maxell C90 tape using the Sony CFS 6000 boombox portable and the PK mediumwave loop from Paul Karlstrand in Australia to boost this THERE fairly strong New England C-QUAM semi-local ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/40%20-%20WIKE%20-%20station%20branding.wav To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun May 19 04:44:15 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90126 invoked by uid 102); 19 May 2013 11:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 11:44:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 32037 invoked from network); 19 May 2013 11:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.78) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 11:44:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1368963855; bh=76K7FDZN0CKlbVy/2136Jr0mf3r/0J6w1jolVPFSJ1E=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2QTNfKGqAvTm/qJQBmkxCVBADtxyBvIBiVteCHFmmxohVQwjc2wE2xBgaQl/UqixQ5W0AOH0K5utd1nvFqvdKeK0KMQMDOgQKjExbE8JfXFmPy/SZeaCLFHIR2jsqexvJ/6kEy6OP+qmirATHlUfLww2ZB16yRvd4gs97EKuytg= Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2013 11:44:15 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2013 11:44:15 -0000 Date: 19 May 2013 11:44:12 -0000 Message-ID: <1368963852.2691.53400.w4@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WBLQ_AMSF_Graveyard_C-QUAM_local_channel_DX_achievement.wav Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Am I the only one hearing C-QUAM skywave on the local graveyard channels like 1230 kHz ? Anyway, here is some strong signal with lots of platform motion and less noticeable stereo separation than during the Scott Mcenzie San Francisco oldie, but it is C-QUAM, so enjoy this very short WAV soundbite ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WBLQ_AMSF_Graveyard_C-QUAM_local_channel_DX_achievement.wav To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Sun May 19 12:03:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37645 invoked by uid 102); 19 May 2013 19:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 19:03:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24604 invoked from network); 19 May 2013 19:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.135) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2013 19:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2013 19:03:28 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2013 19:03:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 19:03:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1368861837.88206.YahooMailClassic@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 79.108.187.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.108.187.96 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: Re: Auvio HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=Z_WJIvVpQfoIJm7f-pTwcwd_iDkoxTppQtd8juuUj_ApiGVcaAmORw X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa If it's not a random issue probably will be because of bad electrolytic(s). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jim smith wrote: > > Hi Gang=A0 I have been having a problem with my Auvio AM FM HD radio.=A0= =A0 When my room drops be low 70 degr.F the tuner will note turn on. 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Good! Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: S=E1bado, 18 de Maio de 2013 23:05 Assunto: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 group. =A0 File=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : /mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3=20 =A0 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 =A0 Description : Bear Money by Kid Moore, a new country record airchecked = from 1490 WIKE Newport, VT in C-QUAM STEREO on the Sony CFS-6000 and 6 DURA= CEL 6V today May 18, 2013 just before 1800 EDT via GROUNDWAVE on the Magog,= QC beach, 140 km from my regulars QTHs... Any comments ? This is my best e= xperience of AM stereo yet ! Have you heard better ?=20 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_M= oore_-_Bear_Money.mp3=20 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: Mirela Chiochiu Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 19 de Maio de 2013 0:16 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20 Thanks ! It has been a while since I didn`t hear anything interesting in C-QUAM. I=20 then remembered there where some glimpses of stereo separation on WIKE 1490= =20 during short-skip graveayrd skip good conditions, but was not sure whether= =20 they were REALLY stereo or just platform motion stereo-like effect dropping= =20 in ! So I decided to go with my father to Magog, which is close enough to=20 Newport, VT and here it was, the miracle of 1490 AM on the Sony CFS 6000=20 boombox ! The most amazing is that the signal was not only slightly stronge= r=20 than the FMers but was really Hi-Fi and a type of AM Stereo listening=20 experience I was never used to and only heard of on YouTube... They even=20 brand themselves as Stereo 1490 but ONLY during the weather forecasts...=20 More on that for those that are not convinced later on... One last question: is WIKE or WBLQ the AM Stereo broadcaster FURTHEST EAST= =20 in North America ? What about VOCM ? May the good C-QUAM sound bless your ears ! Bogdan Chiochiu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > That's really good! (Though not my taste in music :-) > On May 19, 2013 10:05 AM, wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> This email message is a notification to let you know that >> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum >> group. >> >> File : /mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 >> Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu >> Description : Bear Money by Kid Moore, a new country record airchecked >> from 1490 WIKE Newport, VT in C-QUAM STEREO on the Sony CFS-6000 and 6 >> DURACEL 6V today May 18, 2013 just before 1800 EDT via GROUNDWAVE on the >> Magog, QC beach, 140 km from my regulars QTHs... Any comments ? This is= =20 >> my >> best experience of AM stereo yet ! Have you heard better ? >> >> You can access this file at the URL: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Ki= d_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 >> >> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: >> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html >> Regards, >> >> bogdanchiochiu >> >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > >=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sun May 19 18:45:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48567 invoked by uid 102); 20 May 2013 01:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 01:45:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22407 invoked from network); 20 May 2013 01:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.168) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 01:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 01:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 01:45:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 01:45:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1369008572.20325.YahooMailNeo@web142301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.163.112.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.163.112.145 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=2-IW03_MXMFRRosy8JAckfK80pP490QM-votCuLgyxmzMkHczy5G4jw X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Dear Neto Silva, I am in almost the same situation in that there IS a SINGLE C-QUAM outlet l= eft in Canada. Therefore, everything I hear in stereo on the AM band comes = MOSTLY from the USA, the ONLY exception being 630 CFCO in Chattam, Ontario.= Almost all the US C-QUAM broadcasters are pretty hard to find on the dial,= let alone to listen to, so I was blessed by this short length trip to Mago= g where I heard STEREO 1490 WIKE Newport. The only skywave USA C-QUAMer that is moderately easy during grayline enhan= cement when on 5 kW daytime pattern is WINY in Putnam, CT but I believe the= y have some drawbacks with their stereo, because there is some sepration in= deed, but very little, mostly stereophonic echo and no real difference betw= een the left and the right channel except maybe during a Maroon 5 record th= at was differently processed, but then again a C-QUAM broadcaster is suppos= ed to process the L+R difference as to allow AM Stereo promo... What do you= think about this WINY issue ? I can send some files to proove my point, bu= t the space is rather limited and I have one more WIKE goodie left (see aft= erwards). May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neto Silva wrote: > >=20 > Bogdan Chiochiu Thank you for sharing your experience with all of this wo= nderful forum > In Brazil we have no stations Am Stereo, by stubbornness of Broadcasters, > I'm trying to convince broadcasters that the Am Stereo worth, but without= affordable receiver this hard, > I need more audio like yours to send broadcasters. >=20 >=20 > Neto Silva > Brasilia DF >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > De: Mirela Chiochiu > Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Enviadas: Domingo, 19 de Maio de 2013 0:16 > Assunto: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20=20 >=20 > Thanks ! >=20 > It has been a while since I didn`t hear anything interesting in C-QUAM. I= =20 > then remembered there where some glimpses of stereo separation on WIKE 14= 90=20 > during short-skip graveayrd skip good conditions, but was not sure whethe= r=20 > they were REALLY stereo or just platform motion stereo-like effect droppi= ng=20 > in ! So I decided to go with my father to Magog, which is close enough to= =20 > Newport, VT and here it was, the miracle of 1490 AM on the Sony CFS 6000= =20 > boombox ! The most amazing is that the signal was not only slightly stron= ger=20 > than the FMers but was really Hi-Fi and a type of AM Stereo listening=20 > experience I was never used to and only heard of on YouTube... They even= =20 > brand themselves as Stereo 1490 but ONLY during the weather forecasts...= =20 > More on that for those that are not convinced later on... >=20 > One last question: is WIKE or WBLQ the AM Stereo broadcaster FURTHEST EAS= T=20 > in North America ? What about VOCM ? >=20 > May the good C-QUAM sound bless your ears ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Daniel Piccoli" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 >=20 > > That's really good! (Though not my taste in music :-) > > On May 19, 2013 10:05 AM, wrote: > > > >> ** > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> This email message is a notification to let you know that > >> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > >> group. > >> > >> File : /mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 > >> Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu > >> Description : Bear Money by Kid Moore, a new country record airchecked > >> from 1490 WIKE Newport, VT in C-QUAM STEREO on the Sony CFS-6000 and 6 > >> DURACEL 6V today May 18, 2013 just before 1800 EDT via GROUNDWAVE on t= he > >> Magog, QC beach, 140 km from my regulars QTHs... Any comments ? This i= s=20 > >> my > >> best experience of AM stereo yet ! Have you heard better ? > >> > >> You can access this file at the URL: > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_= Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 > >> > >> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > >> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htm= l > >> Regards, > >> > >> bogdanchiochiu > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun May 19 18:54:35 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61733 invoked by uid 102); 20 May 2013 01:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 01:54:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 16477 invoked from network); 20 May 2013 01:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.138) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 01:54:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1369014875; bh=RtacDrjsS7voLRVeSjqOZS8barjiVEy20/tjPMZzCps=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=A+/LK00AQ/cUX9qCBoMKd8NNHVpQ9U7yU58GBd3eor4sMFHXVYET/XD2VETMjgLYj51EGJMCYoUB81WdoMX/TBilZmPmHHG1xp+HS2b/AiJAGeE52uKWVJidhrqx5Vvqs5qJD/O54d6NeRfHEM0xaouOXiUkVwQp69ltmFPEnWc= Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 01:54:35 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 01:54:35 -0000 Date: 20 May 2013 01:54:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1369014874.2420.32744.w3@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WIKE_Miranda_Lambert_Mama-s_broken_heart.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : "Mama's broken heart" modern bluegrass hit by Miranda Lambert from WIKE in Newport, VT 5/18 around 1743 EDT recorded semi-locally during a trip to Magog (Quebec), a few dozens of miles north of Newport (Vermont) You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIKE_Miranda_Lambert_Mama-s_broken_heart.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Sun May 19 19:09:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91064 invoked by uid 102); 20 May 2013 02:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 02:09:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31025 invoked from network); 20 May 2013 02:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 02:09:41 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.163.112.145]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MN200ND5RC32O40@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 19 May 2013 22:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <29DD2D45F5A243BDA1EE410152EF3DF6@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 22:09:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: bluegrass enquiry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=e1WjSgmRTPxzWJ6ejEwInHnf8whWLIXz00WNL7xu1RB30I4YHoUvubA X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings ! Not really off-topic because it concerns the last WIKE-1490 aircheck posted, I want to know if the song posted is really modern bluegrass or just hot country... If you heard that soundbite, you may know already what I am talking about. If not, if you take a listen you will also have that good old C90 Maxell feel because I recorded WIKE off the Sony CFS 6000 PK loop combo directly with not any Voice Recorder... What is the difference between bluegrass, country AND ALSO western ? Which one is the most melancoholic kind of music ? Which one falls between those two sad/happy extremes ? Thanks for sharing with us your C-QUAM musical DXperience ! 73, may the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sun May 19 19:35:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93270 invoked by uid 102); 20 May 2013 02:33:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 02:33:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30469 invoked from network); 20 May 2013 02:33:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 02:33:10 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.163.112.145]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MN20066VSF8QD10@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 19 May 2013 22:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <23F5EE9265C34CD490A4A412A1523BF1@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 22:33:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: boomboxery enquiry X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=ErCi4Fo-Y20L1BXekv8Ulhhudnw_LaMY-GyyI_DiY0MmksbShpRqVS0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings ! As most of you dear AMSF fellows already know, yesturday I made my first trip to an area where AM stereo is king thanks to one very particular 1490 kHz outlet and I took advantage of the Sony CFS 6000 BOOMBOX purchassed from our kind fellow Chris Cuff by doing that... That raise one question: I was briefly the unhappy owner of a Sony SRF A100 tabletop AM Stereo / FM Stereo model, I had another Sony CFS 6000 which got broke in a autistic (Aspie) foster home by security guard despite good care and NOW I have THIS gem with new belts that already produces stellar results... BUT, speaking of the reception, how does it compare with the Sony SRF A100 ? Which one is better GENERALLY SPEAKING ? I found the Sony CFS 6000 to deliver very mildly platform motion effects, while on the Sony SRF A100, the platform motion was ALWAYS harsh and awful on all but the strongest signals such as greyline WINY Putnam, CT and even then... Also, EVEN IN MONAURAL mode, the Sony SRF A1, when tuned to a station of interest to AMSF such as WIRY, it had tremolo that was present in BOTH mono and stereo modes. In the end, before it worn out by it`s self, it turned off by it`s self occasionally EVEN SOMETIMES in a middle of a recording (using the Sony VOICE RECORDER - it does not handle tape, being a microboombox)... All in all, the Sony SRF A1 was not for me, unlike the Sony CFS 6000 which is the best AM Mono / AM Stereo / FM Stereo receiver (well, as far as the AM section of it goes, to be frank with it, anyway...) of all times of all those I tested. It puts the Meduci, the Japanese Sony SRF A300, the Sony XD-A33 and, of course, the Sony SRF A100 radio to shame (according to the models that I tested myself) and it is somewhat comparable with the Sony SRF A1 personal radio, except it is more selective even in AM WIDE mode, let alone AM Narrow mode which is good enough (perhaps) for casual, albeit not proffessional trans-atlantic mediumwave monitoring. It also has Dolby NR tape processing which can be of a slight help to improove the fidelity of some C-QUAMers with weird processing. Now, here are my questions: is it true that the Sony CFS6000 uses the same filter circuit and has more or less the same level of sensitivity as the Sony SRF A1 or am I bargain under the wrong tree ? Have I used a Sony SRF A1 that was in VERY bad shape (unlikely because there is a dude in Quebec City that also mentions harsh tremolo during fadings on SOME, NOT ALL, BUT SOME SIGNALS) ? What do you prefer for recording: VOICE RECORDER or Dolby / regular Master tapes ? About another boombox now: have you heard of the Sanyo MW 250 ? How does it compare ? I heard that if you choose AM Stereo, you get EXTRAWIDE selectivity which is not so good for DXing and AM Normal is a monaural-only mode, but I never used a Sanyo MW 250, so I cannot speak for how good it handles adjacent channel whistle and splatter in wide AM Stereo. Also, how does it handle platform motion ? From what I have heard, the Sony CFS 6000, just like this Sanyo MW 250 is a multi system radio and all those multisystem radios are using a Magnavox pattented Sony decoder for multi system (Harris, Motorola, Magnavox) decoding which means less platform motion than on regular Motorola-only receivers... Hmmm... Although, probably the biggest concern would be the splatter, not the platform motion with it`s DXer unfriendly bandwidth... Anyway... That`s it for now ! 73, may the good DX be with you ! 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Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: bogdanchiochiu Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 19 de Maio de 2013 22:45 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20 Dear Neto Silva, I am in almost the same situation in that there IS a SINGLE C-QUAM outlet l= eft in Canada. Therefore, everything I hear in stereo on the AM band comes = MOSTLY from the USA, the ONLY exception being 630 CFCO in Chattam, Ontario.= Almost all the US C-QUAM broadcasters are pretty hard to find on the dial,= let alone to listen to, so I was blessed by this short length trip to Mago= g where I heard STEREO 1490 WIKE Newport. The only skywave USA C-QUAMer that is moderately easy during grayline enhan= cement when on 5 kW daytime pattern is WINY in Putnam, CT but I believe the= y have some drawbacks with their stereo, because there is some sepration in= deed, but very little, mostly stereophonic echo and no real difference betw= een the left and the right channel except maybe during a Maroon 5 record th= at was differently processed, but then again a C-QUAM broadcaster is suppos= ed to process the L+R difference as to allow AM Stereo promo... What do you= think about this WINY issue ? I can send some files to proove my point, bu= t the space is rather limited and I have one more WIKE goodie left (see aft= erwards). May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neto Silva wrote: > >=20 > Bogdan Chiochiu Thank you for sharing your experience with all of this wo= nderful forum > In Brazil we have no stations Am Stereo, by stubbornness of Broadcasters, > I'm trying to convince broadcasters that the Am Stereo worth, but without= affordable receiver this hard, > I need more audio like yours to send broadcasters. >=20 >=20 > Neto Silva > Brasilia DF >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ >=A0 De: Mirela Chiochiu > Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Enviadas: Domingo, 19 de Maio de 2013 0:16 > Assunto: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=A0=20 >=20 > Thanks ! >=20 > It has been a while since I didn`t hear anything interesting in C-QUAM. I= =20 > then remembered there where some glimpses of stereo separation on WIKE 14= 90=20 > during short-skip graveayrd skip good conditions, but was not sure whethe= r=20 > they were REALLY stereo or just platform motion stereo-like effect droppi= ng=20 > in ! So I decided to go with my father to Magog, which is close enough to= =20 > Newport, VT and here it was, the miracle of 1490 AM on the Sony CFS 6000= =20 > boombox ! The most amazing is that the signal was not only slightly stron= ger=20 > than the FMers but was really Hi-Fi and a type of AM Stereo listening=20 > experience I was never used to and only heard of on YouTube... They even= =20 > brand themselves as Stereo 1490 but ONLY during the weather forecasts...= =20 > More on that for those that are not convinced later on... >=20 > One last question: is WIKE or WBLQ the AM Stereo broadcaster FURTHEST EAS= T=20 > in North America ? What about VOCM ? >=20 > May the good C-QUAM sound bless your ears ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Daniel Piccoli" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 >=20 > > That's really good! (Though not my taste in music :-) > > On May 19, 2013 10:05 AM, wrote: > > > >> ** > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> This email message is a notification to let you know that > >> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > >> group. > >> > >> File : /mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 > >> Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu > >> Description : Bear Money by Kid Moore, a new country record airchecked > >> from 1490 WIKE Newport, VT in C-QUAM STEREO on the Sony CFS-6000 and 6 > >> DURACEL 6V today May 18, 2013 just before 1800 EDT via GROUNDWAVE on t= he > >> Magog, QC beach, 140 km from my regulars QTHs... Any comments ? This i= s=20 > >> my > >> best experience of AM stereo yet ! Have you heard better ? > >> > >> You can access this file at the URL: > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_= Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 > >> > >> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > >> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htm= l > >> Regards, > >> > >> bogdanchiochiu > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Mon May 20 05:12:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58054 invoked by uid 102); 20 May 2013 12:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 12:12:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27009 invoked from network); 20 May 2013 12:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.189) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 12:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 12:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.232] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 12:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 12:12:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 721032.29160.bm@omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 89282 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2013 12:12:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: C2HZzBMVM1l1CSd_pNFFfKPgBi393dJ_Ce4Y9owCezIKvL1 YJ6csaLO_1aLSLYePMrXxLipCxt9lOIeUTQZuEvmMGRu4W8EcRuB09AoYy_N 3rYQefitIPd9oKCOs8OCSimxSDZ1zgbd58270.n.kavfQc38Z1YiokkVIlGY 4BX87zf7ZphFkOKEgY7Z_vXrXbgxdhwpdgq5vPSe5QbJ3QXH5UgoH8sL6Y20 52WBpzvz1XaAU8ds5K.JY7naIDLRo4MDKOzaUVqAhk2PlaFZScNqQv0Tk50T LY.fUKBLnU9u3b24TmROAMZaetuvTMtJENiJTllikFhlui1At3pSWErn6Ibi O61IripmC2_bdzpasRO.7F83iN2jqB7hXBQpCXvjQ4XTzbS89M_YgmowcQ3b YjLVod.FAd1xxysdT6DRA5k7l3A.2jW8ka72JgZhZ__4FuOONS8LCj_G7ymJ nEc7JFVrjDckZllmfEuOcrRzP53J_8UWeFQ9g8PcXKBHK0F0TlvDxrE7Td55 c8dJ9LdfpmYAZ_MmRstnnBc.GHL4zbArwyTGV4_jpg8eoYjNvK8iJ.irKyQf iih02Zc4q5DuOfBHv7KkPMw7Qf5FwbMhsSO8ix29B8RVSHsRdOp9Rm7lZwru Zc7qhgJFfb46MCOYDYdEScJMPU4Cb.3D8J4euFb6958UP2gDWgjyAzDZ26Pp eUtf6l7o4mlTK6c2CO.d4ECYFXPF_MRHINxzsUB5y8GPjJZuT.vWf3dTU7DZ Hnu0joWWlkf1dG.JVqtwROy3EpiFoXZyCkPcPZ98WoZRbqMIO0Lvh.mAAkzy S5fKEDwW0lqWmVg8BmZiGj.2YkhIGsYZONAacVBJeWtmFl1_gJEZP7wfhPrE pAc6LfdOhYBobSZWulrAzhaGcO.ejakaz49WC_XTZGJK_Ggrod.hQC4ZSiqt xzfsGJUFDFnaOqA3x7Kwzxi5AfS72g5n3gv.0kpmUjnPry84iKM41se1bO9l zUza1w7n0.xTU0Qvb3AuHdkZD3PPYkoBp3AD5mO5GHtn8hFhePiGr X-Received: from [186.213.200.254] by web142305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2013 05:12:26 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,VmlkZW8KCnJlY29yZGVkIEJvZ2RhbiBDaGlvY2hpdQpNYXkgMTgsIDIwMTMgIHZpYSBHUk9VTkRXQVZFIG9uIHRoZSBNYWdvZywKUUMgYmVhY2ggLSBDYW5hZGEKCmh0dHA6Ly95b3V0dS5iZS9iTE1rb0g4dVRVMApOZXRvIFNpbHZhCkJyYXNpbGlhIERGCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRGU6IGJvZ2RhbmNoaW9jaGl1IDxhY3FAdmlkZW90cm9uLmNhPgpQYXJhOiBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSAKRW52aWFkYXM6IERvbWluZ28sIDE5IGRlIE1haW8gZGUBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.142.542 References: <1369008572.20325.YahooMailNeo@web142301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1369051946.50637.YahooMailNeo@web142305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 05:12:26 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=23ln23NHKMTGeb12hXWSRyfQJPKNwoXij_BMZ4i1DevSjOUI X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Video recorded Bogdan Chiochiu May 18, 2013 via GROUNDWAVE on the Magog, QC beach - Canada http://youtu.be/bLMkoH8uTU0 Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: bogdanchiochiu Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 19 de Maio de 2013 22:45 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20 Dear Neto Silva, I am in almost the same situation in that there IS a SINGLE C-QUAM outlet l= eft in Canada. Therefore, everything I hear in stereo on the AM band comes = MOSTLY from the USA, the ONLY exception being 630 CFCO in Chattam, Ontario.= Almost all the US C-QUAM broadcasters are pretty hard to find on the dial,= let alone to listen to, so I was blessed by this short length trip to Mago= g where I heard STEREO 1490 WIKE Newport. The only skywave USA C-QUAMer that is moderately easy during grayline enhan= cement when on 5 kW daytime pattern is WINY in Putnam, CT but I believe the= y have some drawbacks with their stereo, because there is some sepration in= deed, but very little, mostly stereophonic echo and no real difference betw= een the left and the right channel except maybe during a Maroon 5 record th= at was differently processed, but then again a C-QUAM broadcaster is suppos= ed to process the L+R difference as to allow AM Stereo promo... What do you= think about this WINY issue ? I can send some files to proove my point, bu= t the space is rather limited and I have one more WIKE goodie left (see aft= erwards). May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neto Silva wrote: > >=20 > Bogdan Chiochiu Thank you for sharing your experience with all of this wo= nderful forum > In Brazil we have no stations Am Stereo, by stubbornness of Broadcasters, > I'm trying to convince broadcasters that the Am Stereo worth, but without= affordable receiver this hard, > I need more audio like yours to send broadcasters. >=20 >=20 > Neto Silva > Brasilia DF >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ >=A0 De: Mirela Chiochiu > Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Enviadas: Domingo, 19 de Maio de 2013 0:16 > Assunto: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=A0=20 >=20 > Thanks ! >=20 > It has been a while since I didn`t hear anything interesting in C-QUAM. I= =20 > then remembered there where some glimpses of stereo separation on WIKE 14= 90=20 > during short-skip graveayrd skip good conditions, but was not sure whethe= r=20 > they were REALLY stereo or just platform motion stereo-like effect droppi= ng=20 > in ! So I decided to go with my father to Magog, which is close enough to= =20 > Newport, VT and here it was, the miracle of 1490 AM on the Sony CFS 6000= =20 > boombox ! The most amazing is that the signal was not only slightly stron= ger=20 > than the FMers but was really Hi-Fi and a type of AM Stereo listening=20 > experience I was never used to and only heard of on YouTube... They even= =20 > brand themselves as Stereo 1490 but ONLY during the weather forecasts...= =20 > More on that for those that are not convinced later on... >=20 > One last question: is WIKE or WBLQ the AM Stereo broadcaster FURTHEST EAS= T=20 > in North America ? What about VOCM ? >=20 > May the good C-QUAM sound bless your ears ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Daniel Piccoli" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 >=20 > > That's really good! (Though not my taste in music :-) > > On May 19, 2013 10:05 AM, wrote: > > > >> ** > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> This email message is a notification to let you know that > >> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > >> group. > >> > >> File : /mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 > >> Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu > >> Description : Bear Money by Kid Moore, a new country record airchecked > >> from 1490 WIKE Newport, VT in C-QUAM STEREO on the Sony CFS-6000 and 6 > >> DURACEL 6V today May 18, 2013 just before 1800 EDT via GROUNDWAVE on t= he > >> Magog, QC beach, 140 km from my regulars QTHs... Any comments ? This i= s=20 > >> my > >> best experience of AM stereo yet ! Have you heard better ? > >> > >> You can access this file at the URL: > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_= Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 > >> > >> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > >> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htm= l > >> Regards, > >> > >> bogdanchiochiu > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon May 20 06:18:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2197 invoked by uid 102); 20 May 2013 13:18:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 13:18:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20560 invoked from network); 20 May 2013 13:18:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2013 13:18:38 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([184.163.112.145]) by VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0MN3009HTMB0QQA0@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 20 May 2013 09:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1369008572.20325.YahooMailNeo@web142301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1369051946.50637.YahooMailNeo@web142305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1369051946.50637.YahooMailNeo@web142305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 09:18:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=D60Or-jzqOBE6ssx1Sxkud5YtCfCa3Ck2Rt_lSzDpkHgtNBa1S9zThc X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow ! I have other ones too... May the C-QUAM Hi-Fi sound bless your ears ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds, Montreal, Quebec, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Neto Silva To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Video recorded Bogdan Chiochiu May 18, 2013 via GROUNDWAVE on the Magog, QC beach - Canada http://youtu.be/bLMkoH8uTU0 Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: bogdanchiochiu Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Enviadas: Domingo, 19 de Maio de 2013 22:45 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Dear Neto Silva, I am in almost the same situation in that there IS a SINGLE C-QUAM outlet left in Canada. Therefore, everything I hear in stereo on the AM band comes MOSTLY from the USA, the ONLY exception being 630 CFCO in Chattam, Ontario. Almost all the US C-QUAM broadcasters are pretty hard to find on the dial, let alone to listen to, so I was blessed by this short length trip to Magog where I heard STEREO 1490 WIKE Newport. The only skywave USA C-QUAMer that is moderately easy during grayline enhancement when on 5 kW daytime pattern is WINY in Putnam, CT but I believe they have some drawbacks with their stereo, because there is some sepration indeed, but very little, mostly stereophonic echo and no real difference between the left and the right channel except maybe during a Maroon 5 record that was differently processed, but then again a C-QUAM broadcaster is supposed to process the L+R difference as to allow AM Stereo promo... What do you think about this WINY issue ? I can send some files to proove my point, but the space is rather limited and I have one more WIKE goodie left (see afterwards). May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neto Silva wrote: > > > Bogdan Chiochiu Thank you for sharing your experience with all of this wonderful forum > In Brazil we have no stations Am Stereo, by stubbornness of Broadcasters, > I'm trying to convince broadcasters that the Am Stereo worth, but without affordable receiver this hard, > I need more audio like yours to send broadcasters. > > > Neto Silva > Brasilia DF > > > > ________________________________ > De: Mirela Chiochiu > Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Enviadas: Domingo, 19 de Maio de 2013 0:16 > Assunto: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > > > Thanks ! > > It has been a while since I didn`t hear anything interesting in C-QUAM. I > then remembered there where some glimpses of stereo separation on WIKE 1490 > during short-skip graveayrd skip good conditions, but was not sure whether > they were REALLY stereo or just platform motion stereo-like effect dropping > in ! So I decided to go with my father to Magog, which is close enough to > Newport, VT and here it was, the miracle of 1490 AM on the Sony CFS 6000 > boombox ! The most amazing is that the signal was not only slightly stronger > than the FMers but was really Hi-Fi and a type of AM Stereo listening > experience I was never used to and only heard of on YouTube... They even > brand themselves as Stereo 1490 but ONLY during the weather forecasts... > More on that for those that are not convinced later on... > > One last question: is WIKE or WBLQ the AM Stereo broadcaster FURTHEST EAST > in North America ? What about VOCM ? > > May the good C-QUAM sound bless your ears ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Piccoli" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > > > > That's really good! (Though not my taste in music :-) > > On May 19, 2013 10:05 AM, wrote: > > > >> ** > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> This email message is a notification to let you know that > >> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > >> group. > >> > >> File : /mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 > >> Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu > >> Description : Bear Money by Kid Moore, a new country record airchecked > >> from 1490 WIKE Newport, VT in C-QUAM STEREO on the Sony CFS-6000 and 6 > >> DURACEL 6V today May 18, 2013 just before 1800 EDT via GROUNDWAVE on the > >> Magog, QC beach, 140 km from my regulars QTHs... Any comments ? This is > >> my > >> best experience of AM stereo yet ! Have you heard better ? > >> > >> You can access this file at the URL: > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/26_-_WIKE_-_Kid_Moore_-_Bear_Money.mp3 > >> > >> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > >> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > >> Regards, > >> > >> bogdanchiochiu > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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File : /mp3-usa/WIKE_summer_anthem_SonyCFS6000_ChrisCuff.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : The WIKE aircheck with the greatest STEREO separation and the widest frequency response ! GROUNDWAVE DX from Magog to Newport, VT, USA just BEFORE the critical hours on May 18, 2013 during a trip to that specific area ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIKE_summer_anthem_SonyCFS6000_ChrisCuff.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu May 23 02:48:18 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 102); 23 May 2013 09:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 09:48:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 1622 invoked from network); 23 May 2013 09:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.78) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 09:48:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1369302497; bh=DwiA8IIGaJtosPgV5hwFFfm+9x43U/KumG5LufxRgn8=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZHb+yWS3aWvy/Br//7N4UR18vZ2aEL0u5s17Lvg4GHPdwIk50yofbcMg2hAWt8+e7I317htj8TsGToYOc17xT+JMc/Whqedu8TUOx5Ry4B+/Z0Pr3Gr+FOleZqiUU+1yS3FNisd2XvZC+KAYekCMkzXkF1Wf+RA1y3yccpHhQaM= Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 09:48:17 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 09:48:17 -0000 Date: 23 May 2013 09:48:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1369302496.16411.18401.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-intl/CFCO_Verdun.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : The BEST stereo SEPARATION of CFCO I ever heard with the voice and the country instruments cleanly separated, as received in Verdun, Montreal, QUEBEC, Canada by transprovincial skywave DX from Chattam, ONTARIO, Canada ! Keep in mind that Verdun is further from Chattam than Pierrefonds, hence the fairly noisy overal reception figure ! But you cannot get Chattam on multiplex FM stereo, hence the advantage of C-QUAM stereo is more than obvious, dear AMSF DXers ! 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File : /mp3-usa/The_Beatles_Long_and_Winning_Road_on_wiry.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : "The Long and Winning Road" hit single by the Beatles in C-QUAM Stereo from WIRY !!! What a difference using the Sony CFS 6000 boombox PK inductive loop combo makes instead of using the Sony SRF A1 with aditionna noise coming from the Voice Recorder accross thi barely fringy semi-local !!! Anyway, good listen, take care and 73 !!! 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File : /mp3-usa/27 - WIRY_AOR_vs_Quebecois_multiplex_rap.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : QUEEN on WIRY-AM ((Stereo)) vs hip-hop incientally played at the same moment on CFGL-FM ((multiplex stereo)) 105.7 as received in Verdun, Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Who has the best sound ? Reply to this WONDERFUL Yahoo messageboard related to both broadcasts compared,.. I also opared WIKE-AM and CIMO-FM, more on that in a few days as I get even more time for uploads and file deleting... 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Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomjacobsen@bellsouth.net Mon Jun 10 16:41:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomjacobsen@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43307 invoked by uid 102); 10 Jun 2013 23:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2013 23:41:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5886 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2013 23:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.218) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2013 23:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2013 23:41:45 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2013 23:41:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:41:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 74.229.85.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.229.85.41 From: "jacobst" Subject: How to addvocate an AM station move to C-QUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235290470; y=q10K85aPf6DZ-jHbAtHcD7bvSbJtTu-4PZuNjoxDz-2ynA X-Yahoo-Profile: jacobst I recently found a local small town radio station that is mostly talk but p= lays music between 6:30pm to 9:00pm weekdays. I sent a message to them ask= ing if they transmit in CQUAM stereo. The station manager replied back and= said that he asked his engineer and he said that it wasn't economical back= in the 80s and the station never converted. These guys are in stereo on S= houtcast, and their studio is at their tower site, so I don't think there i= s any STL issue. What is the best way to advocate to a local radio station to go CQUAM? From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jun 11 05:39:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5280 invoked by uid 102); 11 Jun 2013 12:39:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2013 12:39:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16305 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2013 12:39:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-wi0-f174.google.com) (209.85.212.174) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2013 12:39:58 -0000 X-Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id k10so3984012wiv.13 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 05:39:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.63.229 with SMTP id j5mr8340158wjs.79.1370954398029; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 05:39:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.217.115.73 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 05:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:39:57 -0500 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: How to addvocate an AM station move to C-QUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=rMRSUqXnCyVUlXdGNsvtaLrHlByWaE2hHyLRQiz-Dyy4xiJO_L-syzh5 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, if it wasn't economical back in the 80s.. theyre even less likely to do it now. I love AM Stereo like the rest of you, but it costs at least several hundred bucks for the stereo card for the transmitter and a few thousand for the stereo audio processor. maybe if you pay for the required equipment, they'll do it. I work in radio and have first hand knowledge/expierience on the cost of things and the revenue issue... we added RDS on 3 of our 4 signals.. but we're one of the lucky ones.. our stations are doing fairly well and the owner doesn't mind spending money,. Paul On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:17 AM, wrote: > ** > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > The AM STEREO Forum Group > 1 New Message > Digest #4020 > 1 > How to addvocate an AM station move to C-QUAM? <#13f32500f705e6c6_1> by > "jacobst" jacobst > > Message > 1 How to addvocate an AM station move to C-QUAM? > Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:41 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "jacobst" jacobst > I recently found a local small town radio station that is mostly talk but > plays music between 6:30pm to 9:00pm weekdays. I sent a message to them > asking if they transmit in CQUAM stereo. The station manager replied back > and said that he asked his engineer and he said that it wasn't economical > back in the 80s and the station never converted. These guys are in stereo > on Shoutcast, and their studio is at their tower site, so I don't think > there is any STL issue. > > What is the best way to advocate to a local radio station to go CQUAM? > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top > ^ <#13f32500f705e6c6_toc> > Visit Your Group > > > View All Topics > > > Create New Topic > > > We are making changes based on your feedback, Thank you ! > Submit Feedback > > > The Yahoo! Groups Product Blog > Check it out! > > > GROUP FOOTER MESSAGE > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > > CHANGE SETTINGS > > > > TERMS OF USE > > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 11 08:26:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77062 invoked by uid 102); 11 Jun 2013 15:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2013 15:26:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6644 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2013 15:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.214.218) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2013 15:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 15:26:15 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2013 15:26:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:26:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Re: How to addvocate an AM station move to C-QUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=shLzUInwzGQ273chGV2MMCO3LHVzIucWInKwx_TgghUgwZSpBNbgTQU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Find out if they have a stereo audio processor to their transmitter. If so, you're half way home. Find out what kind of transmitter they they have; then check in here to see= if somebody has an AM Stereo exciter they they are willing to sell for the= station to 'go stereo". Omni directional antenna easiest to add AM stereo to; big array, smaller ba= ndwidths - much more difficult. 73 J --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jacobst" wrote: > > I recently found a local small town radio station that is mostly talk but= plays music between 6:30pm to 9:00pm weekdays.....>=20 > What is the best way to advocate to a local radio station to go CQUAM? > From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Fri Jun 14 19:33:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55417 invoked by uid 102); 15 Jun 2013 02:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2013 02:33:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27736 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2013 02:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2013 02:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id B968FBD894 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:33:19 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:33:19 -0500 Message-Id: <20130615023100.M55298@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: B968FBD894.AC542 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How to addvocate an AM station move to C-QUAM? {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=f-h6GuKV9kMeJmoWGQyNJtnlUwDJXlrQiZb3LFdv3SW5OPeaLGiJ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:39:57 -0500, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote > maybe if you pay for the required equipment, they'll do it. >=20 > I work in radio and have first hand knowledge/expierience on the cost of > things and the revenue issue... we added RDS on 3 of our 4 signals.. but > we're one of the lucky ones.. our stations are doing fairly well and the > owner doesn't mind spending money,. >=20 > Absolutely find out first; don't assume, or you could be wasting money.=A0 = The only other alternative is for you to find a way to get rich enough to b= uy the station yourself.=A0 :) Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Fri Jun 14 19:45:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94877 invoked by uid 102); 15 Jun 2013 02:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2013 02:45:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24972 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2013 02:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2013 02:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BEBBD899; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:45:31 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:45:31 -0500 Message-Id: <20130615024325.M22941@igenesis.us> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: D0BEBBD899.A8687 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: OT- change of email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=l67KZh5PG4i0eaU5TtO9lo3ik87Dh3Wtswxduf3CrkTt59tvQyRC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Got a new ISP and email address- scottn0bst@igenesis.us is the new one. Please update your address book if you're so inclined. From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Fri Jun 14 19:49:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22428 invoked by uid 102); 15 Jun 2013 02:49:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2013 02:49:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5507 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2013 02:49:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2013 02:49:30 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF8BBD899 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:49:23 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:49:23 -0500 Message-Id: <20130615024604.M9733@igenesis.us> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: CDF8BBD899.AAC58 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: WXYG listening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=GM600GVav8uku8GHI8-vNGYph1-Bv95PoiMdKWCilUZXFZz6X7bK X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude About a month ago someone posted that WXYG in St. Cloud MN was back in stereo. I've listened on a few different receivers and while the pilot is on, there's no real stereo audio. I did stop by their studios today and left a note saying I noticed this, and mentioned if they want a recommendation for a stereo AM audio processor to please call me. FWIW all of the Omnia AM processors are stereo, as is a relatively inexpensive one from Broadcast Warehouse that got good reviews late last year. Scott Todd From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Sun Jun 16 19:37:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45394 invoked by uid 102); 17 Jun 2013 02:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2013 02:37:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 899 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2013 02:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2013 02:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC12BE56D for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:37:16 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:37:16 -0500 Message-Id: <20130617023000.M33634@igenesis.us> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: 7CC12BE56D.AB90C X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Somewhat OT- a small town AM returns to the air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=QW833T0Y0u0vJpzNqYXPuzldbLAykhd7JDZ6RSfIXmTSN7Rv8FI2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude http://www.thebdr.net/articles/fcc/rules/index.html You might have to scroll down, but it's about WRDN in Durand WI which has come back to life after a number of years off the air. There's a link within the story that's also worth clicking on as it's letters to the FCC where the writers are saying how grateful they are to have their hometown station back. Might not be a bad idea for us to write this pro-AM commissioner, Ajit Pai, and let him know that digital, while it may be OK under good conditions, is ultimately not going to work very well when they're not, and to consider keeping the band analog- with AM stereo as an option, of course! Scott Todd From jands726@passtheword.net Mon Jun 17 10:14:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jands726@passtheword.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57627 invoked by uid 102); 17 Jun 2013 17:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2013 17:14:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6501 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2013 17:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.83) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2013 17:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 17:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.41] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 17:14:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:14:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130617023000.M33634@igenesis.us> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 172.0.1.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 172.0.1.78 From: "Joseph" Subject: Re: Somewhat OT- a small town AM returns to the air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=489256823; y=m7sJxu764uR350OHwHZ3UF7hSwuofFqBnQuCcUW7wKsd01JNhw X-Yahoo-Profile: josepht122 Hi, Fairly new to the group here. I had a question regarding your post. Our cit= y (population 11,000) lost our only AM station this year. The owners of the= station neglected to renew their broadcast license with the FCC at the end= of 2011. The FCC, in turn, canceled the license in April of last year and = also deleted the station's call letters. My dad used to work at the station= as a DJ in the early 70's and has been attempting to find out who owns the= station and whether the license could be reinstated. I saw from your post = that WRDN had been off the air, but the FCC has permitted them to return to= the air. I read the link you posted and it did not offer any info as to wh= ether WRDN going silent was as involved as what has happened to our station= here (failure to renew the license, license canceled, calls deleted, being= off the air for an extended period of time), but do you think it's possibl= e the owners of the station in our area could request the FCC to reinstate = the license so the station could be sold to another party, amidst all the i= ssues I just mentioned? Thanks! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scottn0bst" wrote: > > http://www.thebdr.net/articles/fcc/rules/index.html >=20 > You might have to scroll down, but it's about WRDN in Durand WI which has= come > back to life after a number of years off the air. There's a link within = the > story that's also worth clicking on as it's letters to the FCC where the > writers are saying how grateful they are to have their hometown station b= ack. >=20 > Might not be a bad idea for us to write this pro-AM commissioner, Ajit Pa= i, > and let him know that digital, while it may be OK under good conditions, = is > ultimately not going to work very well when they're not, and to consider > keeping the band analog- with AM stereo as an option, of course! >=20 > Scott Todd > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Jun 19 06:30:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23368 invoked by uid 102); 19 Jun 2013 13:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2013 13:30:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11159 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2013 13:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.146) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2013 13:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP213 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:30:24 -0700 X-EIP: [PfnYi/voRcpjL6U5UnxAAcSdBZqV8HiQ] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([50.134.199.97]) by BLU0-SMTP213.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:30:23 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:30:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2013 13:30:23.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[27083310:01CE6CF1] X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: CQuAM Gear (AX10 / 1310) aoon to be available (Again) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=qi7nDUEFGh7oJPAKDjV6pUKsiOTIOrO5pxHVTMZvC_gA X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd see images here (public link) https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.551163701589386.1073741832.100000872822280&type=1&l=79d92b5366 i am awaiting on funds for this gear. if funds don't arrive by weeks end (friday) i will be putting these back up for sale at $700.00 shipped conus (paypal only) plus paypal fees. From mrcarlyle@yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 11:51:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: mrcarlyle@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50345 invoked by uid 102); 19 Jun 2013 18:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2013 18:51:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25471 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2013 18:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng25-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (66.196.80.44) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2013 18:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.181] by ng25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 18:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 18:51:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:51:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 24.247.187.98 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.247.187.98 From: "JAMES" Subject: Re: Somewhat OT- a small town AM returns to the air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=353429505; y=cmyqggZnPZV45I2Mu9u6t_LSDkNwOtUiroeuOhSuZdf3YhaH X-Yahoo-Profile: mrcarlyle As a general rule, once a "D" is placed ahead of the call letters (Deleted)= in the FCC database, it's gone for good even if voluntarily shut down. U= se transition.fcc.gov, search for the call letters under the AM query, with= full details requested. One of the reasons is that stations on adjacent c= hannels or those protected look for changes in licenses and jump at the cha= nce of upgrades. Also, if a station is dark one full year, even with an STA= , and no proven "on air time" in that year, by policy, the license is null = and void. Basically it sounds like what your town has is a studio facility = and no license the way you describe it.=20 Also, if it's a directional array, (more than one tower) it would need to b= e "re-proofed" for technical compliance which is quite expensive upon retur= ning to the air after any kind of STA.=20 Do it new! Form a non-profit, or help an existing one get an application fi= led when the window opens for LPFM applications, and start new. You'll have= less headaches. Note the things you miss that were heavily community orien= ted on the now dark AM, and do it properly with a licensed LPFM!=20 Usually when someone says, "station is back after years off the air" either= their perception of time is off, or there was some kind of STA (special te= mporary authority) to remain dark for a period of time, and the station was= actually operated, then the STA renewed. Nothing goes beyond a year dark, = legally.=20 Good luck in your ventures, and hoping the best for your town! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph" wrote: > > Hi, >=20 > Fairly new to the group here. I had a question regarding your post. Our c= ity (population 11,000) lost our only AM station this year. The owners of t= he station neglected to renew their broadcast license with the FCC at the e= nd of 2011. The FCC, in turn, canceled the license in April of last year an= d also deleted the station's call letters. My dad used to work at the stati= on as a DJ in the early 70's and has been attempting to find out who owns t= he station and whether the license could be reinstated. I saw from your pos= t that WRDN had been off the air, but the FCC has permitted them to return = to the air. I read the link you posted and it did not offer any info as to = whether WRDN going silent was as involved as what has happened to our stati= on here (failure to renew the license, license canceled, calls deleted, bei= ng off the air for an extended period of time), but do you think it's possi= ble the owners of the station in our area could request the FCC to reinstat= e the license so the station could be sold to another party, amidst all the= issues I just mentioned? Thanks! >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scottn0bst" wrote: > > > > http://www.thebdr.net/articles/fcc/rules/index.html > >=20 > > You might have to scroll down, but it's about WRDN in Durand WI which h= as come > > back to life after a number of years off the air. There's a link withi= n the > > story that's also worth clicking on as it's letters to the FCC where th= e > > writers are saying how grateful they are to have their hometown station= back. > >=20 > > Might not be a bad idea for us to write this pro-AM commissioner, Ajit = Pai, > > and let him know that digital, while it may be OK under good conditions= , is > > ultimately not going to work very well when they're not, and to conside= r > > keeping the band analog- with AM stereo as an option, of course! > >=20 > > Scott Todd > > > From dcflux@gmail.com Wed Jun 19 15:58:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dcflux@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46148 invoked by uid 102); 19 Jun 2013 22:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2013 22:58:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15854 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2013 22:58:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.252) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2013 22:58:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 22:58:45 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 22:58:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:58:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 199.104.207.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.104.207.2 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207784924; y=qGqWJ-qUnt8VmiLN03dFgYd7asik4BRH2y4CFpdmsTWa X-Yahoo-Profile: dcflux I bought one of these and tested it out and for the life of me I can't get = it to decode C-QUAM. Even took it out to the transmitter and have it sittin= g on the equipment stack, even turned up the pilot tone and still no dice. Anyone have any better luck with theirs? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote: > > Johnny- have you actually tried one of these yourself? I'm curious about = them- > Chris >=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: toledohamradio@... > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:32:18 +0000 > Subject: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > It appears that this unit will decode CQUAM - BUT - you must have a= robust pilot tone or it doesn't kick into stereo: >=20 > John >=20 >=20 >=20 > Auto Radio Am Stereo: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics AM Ste= reo >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://gizmodo.com/236239/directed-electronics-dmhd+1000-hd-radio-tuner-f= or-your\ >=20 > -current-car-radio >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HD-Radio-Receiver-Universal-Car-Connect-DMHD1= 000-Dir\ >=20 > ected-Electronics-/121059767014?pt=3DCar_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers&hash=3Di= tem1c2fb972\ >=20 > e6 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Neto Silva >=20 > Brasilia DF >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 19 20:18:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55254 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jun 2013 03:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2013 03:18:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12708 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2013 03:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.236.23) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2013 03:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 03:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.94.237.124] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 03:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 03:18:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 292789.13504.bm@omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87151 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2013 03:18:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HnkO0vYVM1kfRZ9_NvgKMvsAxR5xy7MTm8nti6cgYmB41p. n2yaWlnhIcZUfXSAuUncBtZ1mu6Y6GhWRnNvMMDT3MR77PBkS.lOVdPoy4Zm D0oASYnCtBmB43zqbPOx9.xNuQwsVZzdjtJ1JEXDis89EEao_2EeCxFhCwn_ LCVQ5bbzfTvSJ2fb0Yv8mqicm3GZQnb4uJut.PCb2i1aXEKPWc6JnQfpG9r2 oM.RW.4T4M9F2ZTof9lQDT2ZjDzebDTbIu32OxQ..IC_YUgwWdI_WtQ2e5hb dcH9dTgwYgAe74bkvM34LjzrT673Gz_3u.EgJIRThQhvMV1iBLrchEdhV.I7 FXz9E2kwNrkAvy37dyvlAwCkBXi7ehmI8Wyo8sDlkO8judo6MLEiHZ8seyKn pxnwRLfFn5VjK0n9mJzgvmhfPo0sMwLQ3V3n2_stw_isgiAr4fF3vwOhS5Vi KfduHz05dkjuvRfESEYbpd4Smefr8hfhX7l4NvFdtnqEblzonFK.evliotNt bfZrkDm2w8tALzfwTUQISXTSOfHkZXXrtMKXWWKk- X-Received: from [75.26.53.150] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:18:40 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SGkgTWF0dCBhbmQgR2FuZy7CoCBXaGF0IEhEIHJhZGlvIGFyZSB5b3UgdGFsa2luZyBhYm91dD8gU2FuZ2Vhbj8gSmltIFNtaXRoATABAQEB X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.147.553 Message-ID: <1371698320.87032.YahooMailNeo@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:18:40 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Reply-To: jim smith Subject: What HD radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=tnwPUfS4T5rDVxHyt3V856o1ZnmPk7alvk0TMi5hdDWt87MWWmV781WbIB62uFLBv6K3MQ9i X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Matt and Gang.=A0 What HD radio are you talking about? Sangean? 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=iu_sdIvpfoP-NCxoYs3Brtp3XCVLAqt3QYT0619rsuuGYZj9TOaX_f232eWkOf57eCjhBU3_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Matt and gang. What HD radio are you talking about?Sangean? Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? I bought one of these and tested it out and for the life of me I can't get it to decode C-QUAM. Even took it out to the transmitter and have it sitting on the equipment stack, even turned up the pilot tone and still no dice. Anyone have any better luck with theirs? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote: > > Johnny- have you actually tried one of these yourself? I'm curious about them- > Chris > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: toledohamradio@... > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:32:18 +0000 > Subject: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears that this unit will decode CQUAM - BUT - you must have a robust pilot tone or it doesn't kick into stereo: > > John > > > > Auto Radio Am Stereo: > > > > Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics AM Stereo > > > > http://gizmodo.com/236239/directed-electronics-dmhd+1000-hd-radio-tuner-for-your\ > > -current-car-radio > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HD-Radio-Receiver-Universal-Car-Connect-DMHD1000-Dir\ > > ected-Electronics-/121059767014?pt=Car_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers&hash=item1c2fb972\ > > e6 > > > > Neto Silva > > Brasilia DF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 20 10:25:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18292 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jun 2013 17:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2013 17:25:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5257 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2013 17:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.214.170) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2013 17:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 17:25:02 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 17:25:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:25:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=vGZEZodQHbXVBNM3rxi95upLFGqibVpULcn5lVmGxH0Zni7tNkeN_t0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Matt, Can you go to the INFO screen and get the serial / software REV level? I'm = curious if different software in these units react differently?? J --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > > I bought one of these and tested it out and for the life of me I can't ge= t it to decode C-QUAM. Even took it out to the transmitter and have it sitt= ing on the equipment stack, even turned up the pilot tone and still no dic= e. >=20 > Anyone have any better luck with theirs? >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote: It appears that this unit will decode CQUAM - BUT - you must have a robust = pilot tone or it doesn't kick into stereo: > > John > > Auto Radio Am Stereo: >> > Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics AM = Stereo > >=20 > From jmrouse@mail.com Thu Jun 20 14:31:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17295 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jun 2013 21:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2013 21:31:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14639 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2013 21:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mout.gmx.net) (74.208.4.200) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2013 21:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([172.19.198.46]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmxus001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LdIBh-1UPD7k0DA1-00iVXd for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 23:31:25 +0200 X-Received: (qmail 7926 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jun 2013 21:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from 71.246.17.44 by rms-us002 with HTTP Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:31:22 -0400 Message-ID: <20130620213123.105960@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: /BGxcQBI3zOlOgRR5nAhgiB+IGRvb0Cm X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WXYG listening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=orBlmT6cBKmYjK0xq5Tf6kkCxriL5XBuO-6bAMvBjUJXpxIixnFM X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Scott for doing that. Maybe something good will come of it. Have a great day, Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst Sent: 06/14/13 10:49 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} WXYG listening [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tomjacobsen@bellsouth.net Thu Jun 20 14:41:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: tomjacobsen@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34166 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jun 2013 21:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2013 21:41:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22953 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2013 21:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.35) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2013 21:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 21:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2013 21:41:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:41:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 50.59.212.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 50.59.212.46 From: "jacobst" Subject: WPLO in Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=235290470; y=_vKGoY-pprc5Rn9fhpjikxCwgtIMn8_gVYTyMO_cf2Pz-w X-Yahoo-Profile: jacobst Does anyone in Atlanta know if 610 WPLO from Lawerenceville is still in Ste= reo? Wikipedia says it is, but it isn't on the list on meduci.com They don't have an email address for me to ask, and I don't currently have = a CQUAM radio to verify. 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From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Jun 22 20:44:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19144 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jun 2013 03:44:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2013 03:44:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5804 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2013 03:44:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gh0-f179.google.com) (209.85.160.179) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2013 03:44:57 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gh0-f179.google.com with SMTP id f16so2918613ghb.10 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:44:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.75.2 with SMTP id y2mr10440275yhd.166.1371959097396; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.16] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o1sm20884332yho.2.2013.06.22.20.44.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:44:53 -0400 Message-Id: Cc: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: abdx@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Radio Shack 20-629 Shortwave Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=qwzBhxqPKOtiCgNyFUteTCpvfPf8UoyQoTZdgfB9K2x-U-8Rt-EF80gw8BKSCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There has been a lot of noise on the DX Sites about the "New" Radio Shack 20-629 Shortwave Radio, so I decided to get one and put it through it's paces. I Immediately recognized my old "Friend" The Sangean ATS-505P. You see, back in December of 2000, I bought myself an ATS-505P for Christmas and did like it, but there were a few points that I did not like, such as the "Soft-Mute" that made a "Chug-Chug-Chug" sound if you tuned it slowly in the 1 KHz tuning mode. It also had an awfully loud "PLL Ring" when you tuned it and a weird feeling detent in the Tuning Knob. On top of that, it ate Batteries like a Pig at the Slop Bucket. Well about 10 Years ago, my Ex Girl Friend went nuts, and in a Drunk and drug induced rage, broke into my house when I was not home and threw a bunch of my Radios in the drive. Then she ran over them with her car, until she totaled it out on the Trees in my yard. The Cops came and threw her in Jail and towed off her Car and that was the last I ever heard of her, but the ATS-505P was one of the radios I lost in that. Honestly, I didn't think it was worth the Retail price to replace it, so I never did. Now they go for $149.99. So along comes Radio Shack with the "Brand New" 20-629 that is a 13 Year old radio design made by Sangean for a retail price of $79.99 and I had a $10 off Coupon making it $69.99, that is less then Half Price Sangean says it is worth. Besides, if I didn't like it, I could always return the thing, so I picked it up on the way to WCKI. When I first opened the radio, I noticed the Tuning detents were gone! Now the Tuning is Silky Smooth. I put the 4 AA batteries in and lit it off in the "Local" mode, and not only did it get WCKI with no overload, it would pick up the other Local AM Stations. I flipped on the FM, and it got my LP-1 and LP-2 without even raising the FM Rod Antenna. The High RF desensed the Long Wave and Shortwave so they did not pick up anything. My original ATS-505P would only get the badly distorted signal no matter what Band you tuned to. I am happy that the Tuning Detents, Soft Mute, as well as the PLL Ring are gone. This thing tunes like a dream, it almost has the feel of an Analog radio but without the backlash and Drift when using the tuning Knob. On the way home, I stopped by the 100.5 WSSL Transmitter site to try my old Will it get 99.9 WKSF from 67 Miles away, It did. My 1st Generation ATS-505P would not do this. I took the radio on out to the Country away from the noise. The Long Wave was a hair better than my Grundig G8, but the Grundig had a Batter signal on AM. The Shortwave and FM was better on the Radio Shack Radio. It also has better Audio from the Speaker and on Headphones than the G8. While the CCRadio-SW beat it hands down on AM Shortwave, and in the Audio Department, the Radio Shack had much better FM from the Built In Whip. It also has a very important feature, a BFO. It is labeled as a SSB Switch, but you cannot select LSB or USB, you have to Fine Tune around the SSB signal until it clears up. You see, in an Emergency, most all Communications on HF will be in the Single Sideband Mode. Even the Broadcast Stations such as WWRB will be in the Single Sideband Mode because not only does it punch through noise and QRM better, it is much easier on the Transmitter. In fact, some Broadcast Stations, such as AFN and some WWRB broadcasts are already in Single Sideband Mode. Overall I do like the improvements Sangean made to this radio, and I am pleased that Radio Shack has moved back to Sangean making their Privately Branded radios instead of Grundig. I have just been disappointed with too many Grundig radios ever since Eton took the brand over. In fact, the G8 is the only Grundig I still have that has not ever failed. The 20-629 is well worth the $79.99 Radio Shack price and with the $10 Off, it was a Bargain. I plan on using it to replace my now dead Grundig G5 that replaced my dead Grundig YB-400PE that replaced my YB-400 that replaced my original ATS-505P. So this one will not be returned to Radio Shack! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Jun 22 20:56:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93283 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jun 2013 03:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2013 03:56:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1263 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2013 03:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yh0-f49.google.com) (209.85.213.49) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2013 03:56:28 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yh0-f49.google.com with SMTP id v1so4239208yhn.22 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:56:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.19.48 with SMTP id m36mr10589009yhm.30.1371959787599; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.16] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o32sm20933307yhi.5.2013.06.22.20.56.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:56:22 -0400 Message-Id: Cc: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, superadioIII@yahoogroups.com To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Off-Topic (sorta) Grundig G5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=dR5GYqS7fNavTNkgCv_Et72KeoGAs8qpO5ZDO-m-SJSC_qkT9kay3wye68a0NQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a sick Grundig G5. Does anyone know of a Repair Depot that will service it, or even a Service Manual so I can fix it myself? It had a problem with the PLL locking up, but you could remove the batteries overnight and reset the microprocessor and it would come back to life. It finally died so it will not reset out of the Lock condition. Eton - Grundig was no help since it is out of warranty and is an obsolete model. I really do like this radio since it is a DX Beast compared to other radios of it's size. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keith1226@yahoo.com Sat Jun 22 23:11:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70266 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jun 2013 06:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2013 06:11:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6155 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2013 06:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.213.164) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2013 06:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2013 06:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.239] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2013 06:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1048.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2013 06:11:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 745248.24873.bm@omp1048.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 92351 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2013 06:11:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PSBRW64VM1kThiB8dKCuccwYVXFK4MJ1WmfmCtS0edkI0Mz VdTKNg8YboifEmhMjyDD8BWtJOmj98CS4mtweKg6vA6mss0br0jBcXpUm5R5 vb11Gr.VKwW7eEnFxUPR8FASowg1wCllHDzwehNcSOyqz928K9MDGskPyZeO uOhO1WYMuzaIhhjzW5DoEZcHn6aNWvXBfukbwBiZIOKRo.qs8jm2duwWEq69 4sWqYUyjWaNY.DNCPofz5n5WtxdSj_GKMNVylTrie_SDChXeZVqrpxyKsmeY QyPtFrH4MTYQRoeRIzGgW2vUWYhAPdSv2wE9roYWSkdM5xoyELyBuZW3yl67 408q1.mPKTdhZefZh9AMUv45_fZh8rdfxuWO9G0gMhp3B4HXb_Gn0NTQz2zo 0eAnr0KxgOHoSqg3PEQuL9uXCx91.lRp_0GDa4sCMry4gyaw0Vb85XLiUczy t7N00EcHqATNedU5e6KFriurhuvv3oWewyE_k_4V0Z40AT_C8vHQjodv2ndR uhFr7.kDVMzKmaipQ2n8rQtlOMbetCcBRZDwdSMlfLaAbcBdZ05bK6Ga13AJ BlOk4N0CZk47AfwR8dSM1SJtLfhnu0_GsN1aUoymEtoCcSilGevDR8Rp5hpr U99MXsMC0hHRew3ZdiDLH8eKQKJMeeUWXeG0U_Vj00BpGx.8YZdW.UAKE4Ft MDWZUzGtPHef1HCfvyXixzqHsqajsPMp0Lo9iRdT9Pb1Kh5YCTTkEJc3n75X K1Xla.eTyMrvaXY11hKZbR56f7m1yAeYbkNqLDi1CxZCK730GUb_0qMw1ZHB bDsULJeUgk3fATZ4MTMzSB6bWoEzJGy4YjugzpA7hgswMoj308S77fZMQQNI XFem0XruBFeoVilhKPN1dQbexyZJN.A-- X-Received: from [76.22.24.103] by web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:11:00 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,CgpUaGFua3MsIEtldmluLMKgCgpUaGF0J3MgZ29vZCB0byBrbm93LS1hbmQgYSB2ZXJ5IGVudGVydGFpbmluZyBzdG9yeSBhYm91dCB5b3VyIGV4LiBTb3JyeSB5b3UgaGFkIHRvIGdvIHRocm91Z2ggdGhhdC7CoAoKNzMsCgpLZWl0aCBCZWVzbGV5ClNlYXR0bGUgV0EgVVNBCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogS2V2aW4gUmFwZXIgPGtqNGh5ZEBnbWFpbC5jb20.ClRvOiBhYmR4QHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSAKQ2M6IGFtcmFkaW9keEB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb207IGFtc3QBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.148.554 References: Message-ID: <1371967860.65830.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:11:00 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith beesley Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Shack 20-629 Shortwave Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=yqH0XsSE65iVlW41-ZqhnuEbmiPhbgl3c0dk2fQviBcRNXbe X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Kevin,=A0 That's good to know--and a very entertaining story about your ex. Sorry you= had to go through that.=A0 73, Keith Beesley Seattle WA USA ________________________________ From: Kevin Raper To: abdx@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} Radio Shack 20-629 Shortwave Radio =20 There has been a lot of noise on the DX Sites about the "New" Radio Shack 2= 0-629 Shortwave Radio, so I decided to get one and put it through it's pace= s. I Immediately recognized my old "Friend" The Sangean ATS-505P. You see, = back in December of 2000, I bought myself an ATS-505P for Christmas and did= like it, but there were a few points that I did not like, such as the "Sof= t-Mute" that made a "Chug-Chug-Chug" sound if you tuned it slowly in the 1 = KHz=A0 tuning mode. It also had an awfully loud "PLL Ring" when you tuned i= t and a weird feeling detent in the Tuning Knob. On top of that, it ate Bat= teries like a Pig at the Slop Bucket. Well about 10 Years ago, my Ex Girl F= riend went nuts, and in a Drunk and drug induced rage, broke into my house = when I was not home and threw a bunch of my Radios in the drive. Then she r= an over them with her car, until she totaled it out on the Trees in my yard= . The Cops came and threw her in Jail and towed off her Car and that was the last I ever heard of her, but the ATS-505P was one of the radios I= lost in that. Honestly, I didn't think it was worth the Retail price to re= place it, so I never did. Now they go for $149.99. So along comes Radio Sha= ck with the "Brand New" 20-629 that is a 13 Year old radio design made by S= angean for a retail price of $79.99 and I had a $10 off Coupon making it $6= 9.99, that is less then Half Price Sangean says it is worth. Besides, if I = didn't like it, I could always return the thing, so I picked it up on the w= ay to WCKI.=20 When I first opened the radio, I noticed the Tuning detents were gone! Now = the Tuning is Silky Smooth. I put the 4 AA batteries in and lit it off in t= he "Local" mode, and not only did it get WCKI with no overload, it would pi= ck up the other Local AM Stations. I flipped on the FM, and it got my LP-1 = and LP-2 without even raising the FM Rod Antenna. The High RF desensed the = Long Wave and Shortwave so they did not pick up anything. My original ATS-5= 05P would only get the badly distorted signal no matter what Band you tuned= to.=A0 I am happy that the Tuning Detents, Soft Mute, as well as the PLL R= ing are gone. This thing tunes like a dream, it almost has the feel of an A= nalog radio but without the backlash and Drift when using the tuning Knob. = On the way home, I stopped by the 100.5 WSSL Transmitter site to try my old= Will it get 99.9 WKSF from 67 Miles away, It did. My 1st Generation ATS-50= 5P would not do this. I took the radio on out to the Country away from the noise. The Long Wave w= as a hair better than my Grundig G8, but the Grundig had a Batter signal on= AM. The Shortwave and FM was better on the Radio Shack Radio. It also has = better Audio from the Speaker and on Headphones than the G8. While the CCRa= dio-SW beat it hands down on AM Shortwave, and in the Audio Department, the= Radio Shack had much better FM from the Built In Whip. It also has a very = important feature, a BFO. It is labeled as a SSB Switch, but you cannot sel= ect LSB or USB, you have to Fine Tune around the SSB signal until it clears= up. You see, in an Emergency, most all Communications on HF will be in the= Single Sideband Mode. Even the Broadcast Stations such as WWRB will be in = the Single Sideband Mode because not only does it punch through noise and Q= RM better, it is much easier on the Transmitter. In fact, some Broadcast St= ations, such as AFN and some WWRB broadcasts are already in Single Sideband Mode. Overall I do like the improvements Sangean made to this radio, and I am ple= ased that Radio Shack has moved back to Sangean making their Privately Bran= ded radios instead of Grundig. I have just been disappointed with too many = Grundig radios ever since Eton took the brand over. In fact, the G8 is the = only Grundig I still have that has not ever failed. The 20-629 is well wort= h the $79.99 Radio Shack price and with the $10 Off, it was a Bargain. I pl= an on using it to replace my now dead Grundig G5 that replaced my dead Grun= dig YB-400PE that replaced my YB-400 that replaced my original ATS-505P. So= this one will not be returned to Radio Shack! 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Jun 23 04:44:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33199 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jun 2013 11:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2013 11:44:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28992 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2013 11:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yh0-f44.google.com) (209.85.213.44) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2013 11:44:33 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id t59so4407933yho.3 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 04:44:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.122.6 with SMTP id s6mr4438706yhh.158.1371987873080; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 04:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.16] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q7sm22730641yhm.8.2013.06.23.04.44.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Jun 2013 04:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:44:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1371967860.65830.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1371967860.65830.YahooMailNeo@web160206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Shack 20-629 Shortwave Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=hnLh3T_1dP6yC7NqmLgGrloocqfPaonwGMkA2YRc6X5Fh7ooQdNM_oETm6NcrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 23, 2013, at 2:11 AM, keith beesley wrote: > That's good to know he fact that Sangean is still making this Radio after 13 Years is a sign that even they think this one is a Winner, and they listened to their Customers and made some nice improvements to it over the Years. > --and a very entertaining story about your ex. Sorry you had to go through that. While I still miss some of the radios she destroyed, I do NOT miss her! She was a Nut and that is why I dumped her before this happened. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Jun 23 19:28:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32777 invoked by uid 102); 24 Jun 2013 02:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2013 02:28:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18534 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2013 02:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.152) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2013 02:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP173 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:28:02 -0700 X-EIP: [VphZi/YVVv6ZU5i731cIhI4z8x3c9NzD] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([50.134.199.97]) by BLU0-SMTP173.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:28:01 -0700 To: Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:27:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2013 02:28:01.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[73205040:01CE7082] X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Carrier current transmitter available X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=xOLuOc4qgHwWI4V2r2qe_EBeUNT0XnNqO3Lq4wFsEPp4 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd excellent condition Radio systems tr20 phase ii 20 watts on 850 khz $1000.00 detailed hi res pics available will be willing to do part cash part trade. Some trades are recent vintage whitebox tower pc that is expandable/upgradeable running xp or win 7 pro th/iam and external atu Will need at least 700 cash rest can be in trade. I need some station upgrades including updated computers and a iam/atu system for a planned second site location Forumsnotify at gmail dot com http://s537.photobucket.com/user/kc8gpd/library/radio%20systems%20tr20%20phase%20ii From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Mon Jun 24 08:36:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36582 invoked by uid 102); 24 Jun 2013 15:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.137.63.205) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2013 15:36:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24832 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2013 15:28:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.114) by mtaq6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2013 15:28:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.181] by ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 15:28:45 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.39.26] by tg9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 15:28:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-custom X-Received: (qmail 68255 invoked by uid 102); 24 Jun 2013 15:28:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com) (98.137.63.213) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2013 15:28:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16020 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2013 14:57:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2013 14:57:09 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A16CB3D5 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:57:02 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:57:02 -0500 Message-Id: <20130624145541.M41414@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: 04A16CB3D5.ABEEE X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 98.137.63.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=cEAjE1J7lAQLdtQ-sPXMC_RdJkxhtEXZYdv6ETFVUMaF2IERp7QR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:25:01 -0000, Sam Quantum Leap wrote > =A0 >=20 > Matt, > Can you go to the INFO screen and get the serial / software REV level? I'= m curious if different software in these units react differently?? > J >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > > > > I bought one of these and tested it out and for the life of me I can't = get it to decode C-QUAM. Even took it out to the transmitter and have it si= tting on the equipment stack, even turned up the pilot tone and still no di= ce. > >=20 > > Anyone have any better luck with theirs? Yep- that's likely the problem:=A0 a different software version which doesn= 't have CQUAM decoding. Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dcflux@gmail.com Mon Jun 24 14:23:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dcflux@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38654 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2013 21:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.63.203) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2013 21:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.214.224) by mtaq4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2013 21:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 21:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 21:23:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:23:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7DF5B1357566408B9CCDCF50DBBDCF99@jim7d8d7da3061> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 199.104.207.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.104.207.2 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207784924; y=egyOyn6FTzAvn-z2Xepz5XlLxuDhWhJi_Xu4BA-fi57Y X-Yahoo-Profile: dcflux It was the Directed Electronics DHMD-1000. Not in front of the thing at the moment , but I think the firmware was some= thing like 1.044? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Matt and gang. What HD radio are you talking about?Sangean? Jim Smith > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Matt=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > I bought one of these and tested it out and for the life of me I can't = get it to decode C-QUAM. Even took it out to the transmitter and have it si= tting on the equipment stack, even turned up the pilot tone and still no di= ce. >=20 > Anyone have any better luck with theirs? >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote: > > > > Johnny- have you actually tried one of these yourself? I'm curious ab= out them- > > Chris > >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > From: toledohamradio@ > > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:32:18 +0000 > > Subject: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > It appears that this unit will decode CQUAM - BUT - you must have a r= obust pilot tone or it doesn't kick into stereo: > >=20 > > John > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Auto Radio Am Stereo: > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics AM= Stereo > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > http://gizmodo.com/236239/directed-electronics-dmhd+1000-hd-radio-tun= er-for-your\ > >=20 > > -current-car-radio > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HD-Radio-Receiver-Universal-Car-Connect-D= MHD1000-Dir\ > >=20 > > ected-Electronics-/121059767014?pt=3DCar_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers&hash= =3Ditem1c2fb972\ > >=20 > > e6 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Neto Silva > >=20 > > Brasilia DF > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dcflux@gmail.com Mon Jun 24 14:26:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dcflux@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41621 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2013 21:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.63.212) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2013 21:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.240) by mtaq2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2013 21:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 21:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 21:25:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:25:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 199.104.207.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.104.207.2 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: cquam gear available AX10 & 1310 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207784924; y=1A_b_pa9536dJTARZcfzue21egGxNxByKUpsGYOMYr1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dcflux I am interested, but we don't really have a way to do Paypal at the station= . We can probably get you a postal money order though. Please contact me off list at dcflux at gmail dot com. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer wrot= e: > > 1310 has hard bound manuals >=20 > AX10 manual is available on BE site in pdf form >=20 > both in great cosmetic/electronic conditon >=20 > 1310 has sloppy meter issue meaning it's likely needing a re alignment >=20 > pics available. >=20 > $700.00 shipped conus insured paypal only buyer pays fees >=20 > add $25.00 if you want it professionally packed by fedex. > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Jun 24 15:30:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97661 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2013 22:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.63.211) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2013 22:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.152) by mtaq1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2013 22:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP149 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:30:34 -0700 X-EIP: [gmNE9ISDaN6egorPq2y4dD8ofjAkv/Gn] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([50.134.199.97]) by BLU0-SMTP149.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:30:33 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:30:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2013 22:30:33.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[70E0D130:01CE712A] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: cquam stuff - sold pending... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=0h1W7pfcaW7WQchN7zxsk3nd6_HL1AHuaYs-p6Mx6cSUY3VVlZyBUfO8XyCQT205H0mW75ey X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Matt Thanks . I was just wondering. I have a HD radio to but it dose/nt decode C-QuAM. Its Radio Shacks Auvio. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? It was the Directed Electronics DHMD-1000. Not in front of the thing at the moment , but I think the firmware was something like 1.044? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > Hi Matt and gang. What HD radio are you talking about?Sangean? Jim Smith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? > > > > I bought one of these and tested it out and for the life of me I can't get it to decode C-QUAM. Even took it out to the transmitter and have it sitting on the equipment stack, even turned up the pilot tone and still no dice. > > Anyone have any better luck with theirs? > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote: > > > > Johnny- have you actually tried one of these yourself? I'm curious about them- > > Chris > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > From: toledohamradio@ > > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:32:18 +0000 > > Subject: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears that this unit will decode CQUAM - BUT - you must have a robust pilot tone or it doesn't kick into stereo: > > > > John > > > > > > > > Auto Radio Am Stereo: > > > > > > > > Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics AM Stereo > > > > > > > > http://gizmodo.com/236239/directed-electronics-dmhd+1000-hd-radio-tuner-for-your\ > > > > -current-car-radio > > > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HD-Radio-Receiver-Universal-Car-Connect-DMHD1000-Dir\ > > > > ected-Electronics-/121059767014?pt=Car_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers&hash=item1c2fb972\ > > > > e6 > > > > > > > > Neto Silva > > > > Brasilia DF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jun 25 09:35:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94462 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2013 16:35:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.63.204) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2013 16:35:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s36.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.175) by mtaq5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2013 16:35:54 -0000 X-Received: from BLU0-SMTP425 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s36.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:35:54 -0700 X-EIP: [yWlWn1fP4OlyYWbnydFPxpwcpwbyHNq/] X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Received: from multimedia ([50.134.199.97]) by BLU0-SMTP425.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:35:52 -0700 To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:35:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Disposition-Notification-To: "Part 15 AM engineer" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2013 16:35:52.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EE1DB80:01CE71C2] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Part 15 AM engineer Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: cquam gear available AX10 & 1310 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=nII1APg7s7lcbzRqRYwxx79FLYpjMqzr0YEIlnKnUZSu X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd cquam gear is sold, paid for and shipped thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt" To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: cquam gear available AX10 & 1310 >I am interested, but we don't really have a way to do Paypal at the >station. We can probably get you a postal money order though. > > Please contact me off list at dcflux at gmail dot com. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Part 15 AM engineer > wrote: >> >> 1310 has hard bound manuals >> >> AX10 manual is available on BE site in pdf form >> >> both in great cosmetic/electronic conditon >> >> 1310 has sloppy meter issue meaning it's likely needing a re alignment >> >> pics available. >> >> $700.00 shipped conus insured paypal only buyer pays fees >> >> add $25.00 if you want it professionally packed by fedex. >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > From dcflux@gmail.com Tue Jun 25 11:30:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dcflux@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38419 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2013 18:30:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.63.213) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2013 18:30:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.253) by mtaq3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2013 18:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 18:30:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.119] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 18:30:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:30:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D696EBF3700430DA6BAA026BD6BF952@jim7d8d7da3061> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 199.104.207.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.104.207.2 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207784924; y=BZrx7eONztDH2g-1lnoY8qHew5eJ5ufk1_Z_1W125UcU X-Yahoo-Profile: dcflux I bought a whole slew of AMax chips off ebay but haven't had time to sit do= wn and design a synthesizer and the 3.6 MHz resonators seem to be a bit har= d to come by. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Matt Thanks . I was just wondering. I have a HD radio to but it dose= /nt decode C-QuAM. Its Radio Shacks Auvio. Jim Smith > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Matt=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > It was the Directed Electronics DHMD-1000. >=20 > Not in front of the thing at the moment , but I think the firmware was = something like 1.044? >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrot= e: > > > > Hi Matt and gang. What HD radio are you talking about?Sangean? Jim Sm= ith > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: Matt=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:58 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I bought one of these and tested it out and for the life of me I can'= t get it to decode C-QUAM. Even took it out to the transmitter and have it = sitting on the equipment stack, even turned up the pilot tone and still no = dice. > >=20 > > Anyone have any better luck with theirs? > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote= : > > > > > > Johnny- have you actually tried one of these yourself? I'm curious = about them- > > > Chris > > >=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > From: toledohamradio@ > > > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:32:18 +0000 > > > Subject: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > It appears that this unit will decode CQUAM - BUT - you must have a= robust pilot tone or it doesn't kick into stereo: > > >=20 > > > John > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Auto Radio Am Stereo: > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics = AM Stereo > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > http://gizmodo.com/236239/directed-electronics-dmhd+1000-hd-radio-t= uner-for-your\ > > >=20 > > > -current-car-radio > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HD-Radio-Receiver-Universal-Car-Connect= -DMHD1000-Dir\ > > >=20 > > > ected-Electronics-/121059767014?pt=3DCar_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers&ha= sh=3Ditem1c2fb972\ > > >=20 > > > e6 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Neto Silva > > >=20 > > > Brasilia DF > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Tue Jun 25 13:28:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48811 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2013 20:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.63.203) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2013 20:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2013 20:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3780CC286 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:27:53 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:27:53 -0500 Message-Id: <20130625201936.M96819@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: References: <4D696EBF3700430DA6BAA026BD6BF952@jim7d8d7da3061> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: A3780CC286.AA96B X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 74.117.240.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=CVA0y1-tqA5WQbYptQdOzG2G7lBXPdkDoNJkKHNM9EpLsN7HJzRz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:30:18 -0000, Matt wrote > =A0 >=20 > I bought a whole slew of AMax chips off ebay but haven't had time to sit = down and design a synthesizer and the 3.6 MHz resonators seem to be a bit h= ard to come by. They're nice but not absolutely necessary.=A0 An ordinary resonant LC circu= it will work- parallel resonant with with a larger DC blocking cap in serie= s. Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Wed Jun 26 03:27:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23705 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2013 10:27:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.63.212) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2013 10:27:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mtaq2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2013 10:27:13 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39673744A for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:27:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <51CAC200.5030002@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:27:12 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AM Stereo Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: Re: HD tuner to decode CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=1PtXLGQoPVDqbS229ZxCHmuMOyvKaTA9cvTurfUfKGAebg X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst >Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:30 am (PDT) . Posted by: >"Matt" dcflux >I bought a whole slew of AMax chips off ebay >but haven't had time to sit down and design a >synthesizer and the 3.6 MHz resonators seem to >be a bit hard to come by. The oscillator layout on the MC13022/MC13122 chips is the same as the MC13020 i.e. there is an 'Osc. Out/Feedback' and an 'Osc. In' on both chips. The values for the components around the oscillators both chip types are very similar but the MC13020 datasheet also specifies the use of an L/C arrangement. Just substituting the L/C version from the MC13020 on the MC13022/MC13122 chips would probably work just fine. There has also been good success of using an L/C Osc. on the MC13028. JSGil From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Jul 05 13:54:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53448 invoked by uid 102); 5 Jul 2013 20:54:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2013 20:54:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16595 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2013 20:54:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.129) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2013 20:54:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2013 20:54:01 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2013 20:54:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 20:53:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.209.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.209.44 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Sansui TU-S77AMX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=r2GUT3FLyC6zii4f6lreUNvD0oE40ZXW5BZO3ScVfTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Some days ago a SANSUI TU-S77AMX AM Stereo (Multisystem) tuner was bought b= y me from E-Pay. The receiver arrived two days ago, and just before some ho= urs I have finished some testing of it at my lab. I already own a DENON 680= NAB and a bunch of CARVER TX11A units. So a comparison between them and the= SANSUI was set! I must admit that before any testing i was curious to loo= k "under the hood" of that unit! Well, as i had to make it to work for EU 2= 30VAC power lines, instead of the US 120VAC, I decided to do it right away,= and get an inside picture of it. Yes... that is one tuner that there is no= empty space in it, not even on both the side panels of it! They have used = ALL of the 1U high case of it... and left no room at all!!! I haven't seen = that on any other tuner since now! Even the CARVER TX11A units have some cl= ear space inside, although I must say they have 2 almost full boards one on= top of the other! And they are not just 1U high, so that SANSUI seems to = be made by a Japanese guy who wanted to squeeze as much circuit it could fi= t inside using any dimensional way to do it!=20=20 After making it for EU 230VAC, that is only a clip jumper change on the tra= nsformer primary, I applied power and pushed the ON switch! A glorious clas= sical SANSUI's display was litted and tuner was ready for testing on bench!= =20 First was the FM part of it, compared to the other 2 (DENON TU-680NAB & CAR= VER TX11A). For testing an Aeroflex 2024 RF generator used as signal source= and modulator, and at its EXT input i added the MPX output signal of an FM= STEREO VP7635 ENCODER.=20 First test was sensitivity. The TX11A did as usual with a absolute sensitiv= ity of -105dbm and a -97dbm for stereo decoding capability. DENON made it w= ith -107dbm & -101dbm repsectively. Well SANSUI TU-S77AMX received a signal= down to -112dbm and decoded FM stereo down to -107dbm!=20 Selectivity. Well DENON was the worst of the 3, while CARVER been an excell= ent performer, rejecting a + or - 200KHz from center, 100% modulated FM sig= nal (from a second 2024 generator) and receiving clearly the main centered = on frequency carrier, even with a diferrence of -75db on tested carrier mai= n signal. That with selected the NARROW IF of course.=20 The SANSUI TU-S77AMX did also more or less the same, as it could clearly re= ceive the main signal also at -75db with the IF Narrow filter selected also= ! But it did it without loosing the higher spectral side of decoded audio, = that TX11A loose when you select NARROW IF at FM!=20 Average audio quality from DENON is similar to TX11A with a feeling that is= not so rich at lower side of audio spectrum, and lack of life for the high= er side of it. However IMHO CARVER TX11A seems to perform better at FM audi= o stereo decoding than the DENON. But the SANSUI... was almost amazing! A s= lightly better bass performance than the CARVER with a not so easy noticabl= e lack of the far higher audio spectrum frequencies. Otherwise... changing = between those 2, TX11A & TU-S77AMX it could leave you with a questionmark a= bout which one is better after all!!!=20 Second was a testing at AM band... and most important a test of decodeing A= M STEREO signals (CQUAM for all testing).=20 The CARVER TX11A's that have passed from my hands in the last ~7+ years hav= e all been tested at my lab. So I do know what to expect from them, regardi= ng sensitivity. Not much really! Even when the +20db Amplifier is activated= ! If the signal strength doesn;t go more than the fourth LED you must forge= t to listen an AM station good! AM Stereo decoder works from just after th= e 3 LED threshold step shown also on the display. But to get a wideband rea= l EXCELLENT AM STEREO decoding you should get at least FULL 4+ LEDs of sign= al strength! For sure one thing you can't promote them, is the sensitivity = of them! It is just not there, compared with many other AM tuners (not only= the AM Stereo competitors)! So lets say they are exccellent for... NOT DXi= ng!!! On the other hand tehy have the Narrow/Wide IF selection, that it doe= s an excellent job, and also with the de-empasis switch you can say that th= e fianl result due to selectivity is adding some points, when there is much= interference on an AM channel. Noise reduction also works, and helping the= user to receive at least the stations that covering good enough his area, = in the night!=20 The DENON is an excellent performer regarding sensitivity! Yes it does DX e= ven if you dont want it or expecting it!!! :) Selectivity is also quite goo= d as the TX11As since there is also an IF NARROW/WIDE selection that works = good! But while it does better for DXing than the CARVERs the Noise blanker= of it just don;t work, and if you slect manual tuning you will not find an= y AM STEREO station if you searching manually for it! The AM STEREO decoder= is.. disabled, when maual tuning is selected! Don't have a logical (based = on common sense) answer why they decided to do it that way... and I think n= ot even the original designers of it will have one if they asked for!!!=20 Selectivity of DENON TU-680NAB is quite good in NARROW IF. And help you to = receive a DX station while there are even much stronger signals in the adja= cent channels.=20 The SANSUI, has an excellent sensitivity... also at AM!!! And not only that= ! It does AM stereo decoding even if set to manual or seek tuning modes! An= d it decodes AM stereo down to almost NO SIGNAL present!!! And I mean it DE= CODES it!!! Yes with separation just before you will not been able to recei= ve it even as change in spectral noise, down to -103dbm!!! none of the othe= r 2 can receive anything below -96dbm, even at mono and with narrow IF used= ! SANSUI doesn't have on the other hand the WIDE/NARROW IF selection for AM= ! It is only for FM!!! At AM band IF is standard, and seems to be at 7.5KHz= - 8KHz BW. Carver and Denon have the Narrow IF of them just like it or a b= it less than that, ie 7KHz! But the Wide IF selection of them allows to hea= r almost anything up to 13KHz (or far more for Carver)! Well... SANSUI stil= l does sounds great even with that IF BW! Not so great as TX11A not course!= =20 After the tests, I must say that the SANSUI is excellent and someone could = say its better from DENON at least to some FM performance and for one or tw= o things on the AM part, or to say that it is far better than the Carvers r= egarding DXing use. But for me it was clear that the CARVER TX11A sitted on= top of my test instruments at our lab bench, will keep its place for sure!= !! And the other 2, TX11A units I have will be kept for back up in case of = a failure of the main lab unit!=20 But the SANSUI TU-S77AMX will have a nice top place at my home AM Stereo re= ceivers collection! Just above DENON!!! ;)=20 best regards=20 Sotiris=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Jul 05 16:11:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33871 invoked by uid 102); 5 Jul 2013 23:11:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2013 23:11:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29403 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2013 23:11:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.143.77) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2013 23:11:09 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A33FF70043277 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:07:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.13]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7D64BE000087 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <106014.45273aed.3f08abb3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:07:31 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:455975232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294951d751b369a3 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sansui TU-S77AMX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=A2myRXnxEsyZ7WrMurfB9uhUciZNRfgvxQAtXp4LF7B226lgyjtA X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Thanks for the user report on the Sansui TU-S77AMX, It sounds like the Carver TX-11A could use more sensitivity in the AM RF front end. I wonder if anyone has looked into it? Perhaps a broadband low-noise RF preamp with another +20dB gain from 500kHz - 1700kHz in the front end? Someone could swap in a narrower IF filter if they were more interested in DXing the AM band but I am sure Carver probably matched the IF filters with some EQ for a flat response? I am currently using an outdoor broadband active loop antenna with my AM Stereo tuners and it does boost the sensitivity of the Carver TX-11A quite a bit. I think the Carver could still use another +10 to +20dB gain in the AM front end to make it a really good AM DX tuner. 73 - Todd WD4NGG From bhenry@saber.net Sat Jul 06 08:52:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhenry@saber.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40822 invoked by uid 102); 6 Jul 2013 15:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2013 15:52:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18579 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2013 15:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.43) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2013 15:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.181] by ng6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2013 15:52:31 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2013 15:52:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 15:52:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.160.39.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.160.39.104 From: "Brian J. Henry" Subject: Carver TX-11a/b AM signal to noise measurement question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=209959345; y=OSn3r5bL3DYP4eFIowkyxC_xTkDugigG_H-szI4dM92I1w_t X-Yahoo-Profile: kllkradio Carver specifies the signal to noise ratio of the TX-11a to be -75 dB refer= enced to 100% modulation in the AM mode.=20=20 At best, I can only get -50 dB using the narrow IF setting with the de-emph= asis engaged. I also notice what seems to be some synthesizer jitter. I a= m using an HP 8640B as a signal source with the output set to -50 dBm at 1 = MHz. THD+N is better than 1% at this RF input level. I also have a Denon TU-680NAB which is performing better than its specifica= tion of -55 dB using the same test setup. Is this performance typical for the TX-11a or does my receiver have a probl= em? Brian Henry, WB6QED From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Jul 06 10:01:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13334 invoked by uid 102); 6 Jul 2013 17:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2013 17:01:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17118 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2013 17:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.109.204) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2013 17:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EDB3F7008CA74 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 12:55:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mge003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mge003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.73]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C2DB2E000089 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 12:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 12:55:38 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440194432:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc51d84c0a077c X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carver TX-11a/b AM signal to noise measurement question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=YnoCrg72drUtBdIGuYZrXEZRceibQcR4Rw-WkFqo1eZzkbK0ZSVa X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I have read the Carver TX-11a tends to have a higher noise floor compared to other AM tuners. I don't know if most of this noise is coming from the RF, IF or audio stages. I have not actually tried to measure the signal to noise ratio using test equipment, but there seems to be a noticeable background hiss on stations that are not reading all 6 lights on the signal meter. The hiss is more noticeable in the wide bandwidth position of course. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 7/6/2013 11:53:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bhenry@saber.net writes: Carver specifies the signal to noise ratio of the TX-11a to be -75 dB referenced to 100% modulation in the AM mode. At best, I can only get -50 dB using the narrow IF setting with the de-emphasis engaged. I also notice what seems to be some synthesizer jitter. I am using an HP 8640B as a signal source with the output set to -50 dBm at 1 MHz. THD+N is better than 1% at this RF input level. I also have a Denon TU-680NAB which is performing better than its specification of -55 dB using the same test setup. Is this performance typical for the TX-11a or does my receiver have a problem? Brian Henry, WB6QED From bhenry@saber.net Sat Jul 06 10:45:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhenry@saber.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37015 invoked by uid 102); 6 Jul 2013 17:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2013 17:45:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10488 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2013 17:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng25-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (66.196.80.44) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2013 17:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2013 17:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2013 17:45:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:45:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.160.39.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.160.39.104 From: "Brian J. Henry" Subject: Denon TU-680NAB tuner infomation needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=209959345; y=XKR1DVw1SL6REUOUuD4HC7I3O92ZXjEvOwm6xalOvYwi8qK2 X-Yahoo-Profile: kllkradio I have also just acquired a very nice Denon TU-680NAB tuner that came witho= ut any accessories or manuals. I would very much appreciate any suggestion= s for acquiring .PDFs or paper copies of the operating and service manuals = as well as any information about where I can attain an original AM loop ant= enna. Thanks, Brian Henry, WB6QED From bhenry@saber.net Sat Jul 06 12:36:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhenry@saber.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13078 invoked by uid 102); 6 Jul 2013 19:36:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2013 19:36:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30888 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2013 19:36:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.69) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2013 19:36:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.180] by ng9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2013 19:36:40 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.41] by tg8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2013 19:36:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 19:36:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.160.39.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.160.39.104 From: "Brian J. Henry" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carver TX-11a/b AM signal to noise measurement question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=209959345; y=j52MG-asX_hHjKEEQJocQJbwg-bd8kM4RtQCyPQV645ECRmt X-Yahoo-Profile: kllkradio A closer look with a spectrum analyzer and an oscilloscope reveals that the= re is some low frequency jitter and a 60 Hz component that is about 55 dB d= own. When I engage the 400 Hz high pass filter in my audio analyzer, the s= ignal to noise ratio improves to about -60 dB with the narrow IF and de-emp= hasis engaged. So, it appears that a combination of PLL instability and so= me 60 Hz magnetic coupling is compromising the signal to noise ratio. From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Sat Jul 06 16:26:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95532 invoked by uid 102); 6 Jul 2013 23:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2013 23:26:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1945 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2013 23:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2013 23:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFAAD759D for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:26:40 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:26:39 -0500 Message-Id: <20130706230547.M15043@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: 1AFAAD759D.A10FF X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sansui TU-S77AMX {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=5Gd_Z1WJ11h0aZoOFvfmf-JLhAFcfgipB-c0ioL4aeCtAU8V146S X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 20:53:59 -0000, pdmtr wrote > After the tests, I must say that the SANSUI is excellent and someone coul= d say its better from DENON at least to some FM performance and for one or = two things on the AM part, or to say that it is far better than the Carvers= regarding DXing use. But for me it was clear that the CARVER TX11A sitted = on top of my test instruments at our lab bench, will keep its place for sur= e!!! And the other 2, TX11A units I have will be kept for back up in case o= f a failure of the main lab unit!=20 > But the SANSUI TU-S77AMX will have a nice top place at my home AM Stereo = receivers collection! Just above DENON!!! ;)=20 >=20 > best regards=20 > Sotiris=20 > Sotiris- how well does this tuner perform hearing weak signals in a jungle = of very strong ones?=A0 How easy does it overload?=A0 Does it tune to 1600 = or 1700? Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jul 06 23:36:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: mjgrant@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96137 invoked by uid 102); 7 Jul 2013 06:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2013 06:36:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16433 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2013 06:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.143.80) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2013 06:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 84C3370000092 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 02:36:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mrc005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mrc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.185.81]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 511AEE000081 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 02:36:06 -0400 (EDT) References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37834-STANDARD X-Received: from 75.92.240.96 by webmail-m287.sysops.aol.com (64.12.152.52) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 07 Jul 2013 02:36:06 -0400 Message-Id: <8D048F3648D3F12-1BF4-9122C@webmail-m287.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 02:36:06 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:465044672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d51d90c5613e1 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mjgrant Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sansui TU-S77AMX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lxmlZt9inq1yLHknmBJeK9tgYSwNdNJqEdynsZhE80uNDpuk_o_sQw5u0T3g1Ww4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the excellent report. I have a Denon TU-680NAB and recently acquired a Carver TX-11A. I have a Sansui TU-77X which lacks the AM Stereo function. I'm not sure if the Carver and Sansui had the AMAX de-emphasis like the Denon. The only AM Stereo music station within listening distance is KCJJ operating at 1kW at night 300 miles away, so it is difficult to do a comparision. In terms of signal reception, the 1940 Zenith 1A10 seems to out-do them all. Go figure. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dcflux@gmail.com Mon Jul 08 10:21:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dcflux@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49699 invoked by uid 102); 8 Jul 2013 17:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2013 17:21:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10216 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2013 17:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-ip3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.92) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2013 17:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2013 17:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2013 17:21:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 17:21:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 199.104.207.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.104.207.2 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207784924; y=gpk9Waj1s4YZpARnRCLvMG4dfilnfWqhHoccmssTcZxX X-Yahoo-Profile: dcflux Ran out to the station and took a look at that Directed Electronics receive= r. Every now and then the HD logo will blink but I doubt its decoding anything= . UI Ver: 0.01.16 IDM Ver: DRI-352-001751EF-CMRL-V015 DLP Ver: DLP_2006_11_3_V23 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" wrote: > > It was the Directed Electronics DHMD-1000. >=20 > Not in front of the thing at the moment , but I think the firmware was so= mething like 1.044? >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Matt and gang. What HD radio are you talking about?Sangean? Jim Smi= th > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: Matt=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:58 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > I bought one of these and tested it out and for the life of me I can'= t get it to decode C-QUAM. Even took it out to the transmitter and have it = sitting on the equipment stack, even turned up the pilot tone and still no = dice. > >=20 > > Anyone have any better luck with theirs? > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Cuff wrote= : > > > > > > Johnny- have you actually tried one of these yourself? I'm curious = about them- > > > Chris > > >=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > From: toledohamradio@ > > > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:32:18 +0000 > > > Subject: {AMSF} HD tuner to decode CQUAM? > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > It appears that this unit will decode CQUAM - BUT - you must have a= robust pilot tone or it doesn't kick into stereo: > > >=20 > > > John > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Auto Radio Am Stereo: > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Radio Receiver Universal Car Connect DMHD1000 Directed Electronics = AM Stereo > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > http://gizmodo.com/236239/directed-electronics-dmhd+1000-hd-radio-t= uner-for-your\ > > >=20 > > > -current-car-radio > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HD-Radio-Receiver-Universal-Car-Connect= -DMHD1000-Dir\ > > >=20 > > > ected-Electronics-/121059767014?pt=3DCar_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers&ha= sh=3Ditem1c2fb972\ > > >=20 > > > e6 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Neto Silva > > >=20 > > > Brasilia DF > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 10:56:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72888 invoked by uid 102); 8 Jul 2013 17:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2013 17:56:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15392 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2013 17:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.69) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2013 17:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2013 17:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2013 17:56:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 17:56:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 96.56.206.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: Denon TU-680NAB tuner infomation needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=q4IV8BhFsZ4FNDsELaIZAoC9eAPGCnJaTCu16yTnS5TqimkY1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Look here for PDF scans of the TU-680NAB's service manual, magazine reviews= , and details on a narrow bandwidth filter modification: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J. Henry" wrote: > > I have also just acquired a very nice Denon TU-680NAB tuner that came wit= hout any accessories or manuals. I would very much appreciate any suggesti= ons for acquiring .PDFs or paper copies of the operating and service manual= s as well as any information about where I can attain an original AM loop a= ntenna. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Brian Henry, WB6QED > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Jul 12 05:31:11 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39618 invoked by uid 102); 12 Jul 2013 12:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2013 12:31:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 8305 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2013 12:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.52) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2013 12:31:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1373632269; bh=36ncVcEhrCw8oFihtAEHL6MjSzLUJ8pzPmyH34D74/U=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dmju46qdtCIDEWjeGMlMzupQFWjNxv5so7ETAQ+BF6zXSIpR4Yv+VbKf4DB6zig1qXpDFSJV517i1vKKRZpplWIODFEZP55/hoZ8tw3m0PdhXFbFDEVN6AOCk/WMV+GYk6QXRpvpX8xt7K/MBuQ24+JIvaDOvpd6GQd3+MUh/qc= Received: from [66.196.81.182] by ng11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2013 12:31:09 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2013 12:31:09 -0000 Date: 12 Jul 2013 12:31:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1373632268.26707.58277.w2@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_-_Part_Metal_African_Band_-_Absolutely_Right_CFS6000.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Part Metal African Band with "Absolutely Right" in high definition C-QUAM STEREO from Hometown Radio 1340 Stereo WIRY as received in the Montreal area with the Sony CFS 6000 and the PK loop - great frequency response, some fringe signal hiss that could be reduced using a noise reducing software, perhaps (?) You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_-_Part_Metal_African_Band_-_Absolutely_Right_CFS6000.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Fri Jul 12 14:00:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29052 invoked by uid 102); 12 Jul 2013 21:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2013 21:00:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12174 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2013 21:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2013 21:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A85DE3CA for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:00:02 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:00:02 -0500 Message-Id: <20130712205849.M19130@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: <8D048F3648D3F12-1BF4-9122C@webmail-m287.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D048F3648D3F12-1BF4-9122C@webmail-m287.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: 90A85DE3CA.AADFB X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sansui TU-S77AMX {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=34acAFCsvWwVgZ_vERWvAiJLJadTXIdTKn4lq7ermGPn1IpCMVsu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 02:36:06 -0400 (EDT), Mjgrant wrote I'm not sure if the Carver and Sansui had the AMAX de-emphasis like the Den= on. The only AM Stereo music station within listening distance is KCJJ operatin= g at 1kW at night 300 miles away, so it is difficult to do a comparision. I= n terms of signal reception, the 1940 Zenith 1A10 seems to out-do them all.= Go figure. -- The TX 11B did have the proper NRSC deemphasis; the A did not.=A0 Also, KCJ= J dropped stereo several months ago. Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Jul 12 20:35:13 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63124 invoked by uid 102); 13 Jul 2013 03:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2013 03:35:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 29617 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2013 03:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-ip10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.56) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2013 03:35:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1373686513; bh=Ju4qKEhOWcnOzrtCxNSezaMAMxpk8Y2oN4HO/ay6WqA=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jHcjOH/1L7eLf9ErNbiNPauFuTNmi+h/eBlfbueTWjy1LqBZMjwbg8wC4W3I7a4P09QPjdA5zUA5o3Sb+ySEtLe2+RBW5pKfPwA1HWQ0WlhmDEfebsdQLcBF2heyndMzqy70h/wHC1D+Tk+RyJ7WdfjYmxPCSsUPR1Ko0SsSUQA= Received: from [66.196.81.183] by ng7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2013 03:35:13 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2013 03:35:13 -0000 Date: 13 Jul 2013 03:35:10 -0000 Message-ID: <1373686510.3890.71664.w7@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/very_wide_stereo_separation.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : EXAGGERATED Stereophonic separation on a 70s funk record on WIRY from the Sony CFS 6000 / PK loop combo on the Verdun / Lasalle border in the Montreal area... This is MY BEST EVER C-QUAM recording, better than WIKE-1490 Newport, VT as received in Magog, QC. This time around it sounded more like a 45 bpm than the regular dull and noisy AM fringy stereo groundwave and / or skywave C-QUAM DX that is available to me ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/very_wide_stereo_separation.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Fri Jul 12 20:43:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67761 invoked by uid 102); 13 Jul 2013 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2013 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18516 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2013 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.58) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2013 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.182] by ng14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2013 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2013 03:43:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 03:43:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.163.112.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.163.112.145 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: EXAGGERATED stereo separation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=VF2gpGII1c7clHk74pZ2neKySvELgfU62GseFnvYTej0djJKf6cXT9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Last afternoon, from a brand new spot in the Verdun field, I was lucky enou= gh to hear a 70s funky oldie perfectly made for AM STEREO purposes... The s= eparation is so exaggerated, one would think it is an EARLY stereo record..= .nope ! If you heard something more impressing, please let me know. In the mean time, I still plan to visit WIRY and bring them 2 or 3 AM Stere= o radios I no longer use, visit their record collection and take photos of = their transmitting antennas. It will most likely NOT happen this week-end, = as many of us, from here, head into the Lacolle US / Canadian border transi= t, so it will be too busy.=20 May the good DX be with you and happy 14th of July in the memory of FRANCE = BLEUE 864 kHz MOTOROLA C-QUAM an Aventure FM 105.9 MHz multiplex (from 1988= ) ! I wonder if from the NF coast, one could get 864 at night on a forced s= tereo receiver like the Sony CFS 6000 in AM NORMAL mode... Anyway, what I j= ust sent is AM WIDE ST mode, so... Bogdan Chiochiu From bhenry@saber.net Sun Jul 14 17:21:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhenry@saber.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47077 invoked by uid 102); 15 Jul 2013 00:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 00:21:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25809 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2013 00:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.141) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 00:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 00:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 00:21:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:21:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130712205849.M19130@igenesis.us> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.160.39.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.160.39.104 From: "Brian J. Henry" Subject: Re: Sansui TU-S77AMX {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=209959345; y=hr8c1TLGABnpkJEDf8hota1lBpfZv50z3gE26Zpo_B6gvdnU X-Yahoo-Profile: kllkradio I have a Carver TX-11a and a TX-11b. Both tuners did not have the NRSC de-= emphasis components installed as per the Carver Application Bulletin TX-11A= -2 issued 3/30/89. I modified both receivers by installing 1% tolerance 3.= 3K resistors and 0.0033 uF capacitors. This resulted in the de-emphasis ci= rcuitry tracking the NRSC de-emphasis specification exactly. The wide band= width frequency response of the Carver TX-11a/b is quite impressive when th= e AM section has been properly aligned. It is within +/- 1 db from 50 Hz t= o 12 kHz with a deep notch at 10 kHz. When properly aligned, the Denon TU-680NAB follows the NRSC de-emphasis cur= ve within +/- 1 dB from 100 Hz to 6 kHz. It falls below the curve by about= 3 dB at 7.5 kHz and by about 7 dB at 10 kHz. Brian Henry, WB6QED Scott Todd wrote:=20 > The TX 11B did have the proper NRSC deemphasis; the A did not. From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Mon Jul 15 05:22:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23218 invoked by uid 102); 15 Jul 2013 12:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 12:22:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26103 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2013 12:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm37-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.238.206) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 12:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm37.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 12:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.195] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 12:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 12:22:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 264828.61146.bm@omp1004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 63778 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2013 12:22:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wavcXoYVM1mU505lMdKv02HpzYwKcpoDaJjFR20lYcFYqj4 Xh3NB2ns_zt_CnUcEbTlx X-Received: from [201.22.139.113] by web142306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 05:22:52 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SSBMaXN0ZW4gR3JlYXQgc291bmQgSW4gQW0gU3RlcmVvLgoKTmV0byBTaWx2YQpCcmFzaWxpYSBERgoKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIERlOiBib2dkYW5jaGlvY2hpdSA8YWNxQHZpZGVvdHJvbi5jYT4KUGFyYTogYW1zdGVyZW9mb3J1bUB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20gCkVudmlhZGFzOiBTw6FiYWRvLCAxMyBkZSBKdWxobyBkZSAyMDEzIDA6NDMKQXNzdW50bzoge0FNU0Z9IEVYQUdHRVJBVEVEIHN0ZXJlbyBzZXBhcmF0aW9uCiAKCkxhc3QgYWZ0ZXJub29uLCBmcm9tIGEgYnIBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.148.557 References: Message-ID: <1373890972.63513.YahooMailNeo@web142306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 05:22:52 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} EXAGGERATED stereo separation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=ZTSa3rf7TxK72AJ3jHJG0A3Tg_yWN0YBQ2c2jWNdGJMrrlFz X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I Listen Great sound In Am Stereo. Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: bogdanchiochiu Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: S=E1bado, 13 de Julho de 2013 0:43 Assunto: {AMSF} EXAGGERATED stereo separation =20 Last afternoon, from a brand new spot in the Verdun field, I was lucky enou= gh to hear a 70s funky oldie perfectly made for AM STEREO purposes... The s= eparation is so exaggerated, one would think it is an EARLY stereo record..= .nope ! If you heard something more impressing, please let me know. In the mean time, I still plan to visit WIRY and bring them 2 or 3 AM Stere= o radios I no longer use, visit their record collection and take photos of = their transmitting antennas. It will most likely NOT happen this week-end, = as many of us, from here, head into the Lacolle US / Canadian border transi= t, so it will be too busy.=20 May the good DX be with you and happy 14th of July in the memory of FRANCE = BLEUE 864 kHz MOTOROLA C-QUAM an Aventure FM 105.9 MHz multiplex (from 1988= ) ! I wonder if from the NF coast, one could get 864 at night on a forced s= tereo receiver like the Sony CFS 6000 in AM NORMAL mode... Anyway, what I j= ust sent is AM WIDE ST mode, so... Bogdan Chiochiu ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 10:44:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85271 invoked by uid 102); 15 Jul 2013 17:44:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 17:44:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11099 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2013 17:44:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.58) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 17:44:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.184] by ng14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 17:44:48 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 17:44:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:44:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130712205849.M19130@igenesis.us> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 96.56.206.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sansui TU-S77AMX {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=N3NhKDYRioZYkNG_WrsQlQsdVKHv-ka2s-j31rU_s4ogomrIOw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scottn0bst" wrote: > The TX 11B did have the proper NRSC deemphasis; the A did not. The Carver TX-11a has greater than NRSC de-emphasis, more like the full FM = 75 uS curve. Thus applying it to a station using NRSC pre-emphasis will sou= nd a bit dull. Late production TX-11a models and all TX-11b models revised = the AM de-emphasis to properly conform to the NRSC curve. More info here: http://ham-radio.com/k6sti/tx-11b.htm From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 12:16:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52745 invoked by uid 102); 15 Jul 2013 19:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 19:16:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27061 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2013 19:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.167) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 19:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.182] by ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 19:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 19:16:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:16:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 96.56.206.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: Coby HD Radio with AM Stereo available now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=ajRviUNubEOAlt3PZC-K8zFllw5EEayxl7Ty1HS7B5yWJiIERg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For $34.99 with free shipping, this is the least expensive way to add C-Qua= m AM Stereo, HD Radio, and RDS to your stereo system: http://www.ebay.com/itm/350761986828 The Coby HDR-650 has narrowband AM audio, typical of HD Radios, but it does= decode C-Quam AM Stereo, with surprisingly wide stereo separation. Sensiti= vity on AM is also quite good. A full video review, with audio samples of A= M Stereo reception, is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3kNgUVrgSjA From keith1226@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 12:50:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12225 invoked by uid 102); 15 Jul 2013 19:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 19:50:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8626 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2013 19:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.103) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2013 19:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.182] by ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 19:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2013 19:50:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:50:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 76.22.24.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.22.24.103 From: "KeithB" Subject: Re: Coby HD Radio with AM Stereo available now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=wWj6Q-QECROZwUCgl_yB2uiTrU_RRPdjfFF5gX7zwu0XOlVM X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Unfortunately, the "Coby" brand is junk, in my experience. I had two of the= same model Coby shortwave radio that each died within a few weeks; and I h= ave a Coby pocket radio that gets three AM stations (out of a possible 20-2= 5 in my area). Just sayin'. Keith B.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > For $34.99 with free shipping, this is the least expensive way to add C-Q= uam AM Stereo, HD Radio, and RDS to your stereo system: >=20 > http://www.ebay.com/itm/350761986828 >=20 > The Coby HDR-650 has narrowband AM audio, typical of HD Radios, but it do= es decode C-Quam AM Stereo, with surprisingly wide stereo separation. Sensi= tivity on AM is also quite good. A full video review, with audio samples of= AM Stereo reception, is here: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3kNgUVrgSjA > From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jul 16 03:05:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92764 invoked by uid 102); 16 Jul 2013 10:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 10:05:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11990 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2013 10:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.17) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 10:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 10:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 10:05:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:05:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1373686510.3890.71664.w7@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.180 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=X_mUO5NsSkLGJNLvpwbPFJcFLgS9LtDAON_FuHWPY_CxdpM4kDpIhfc X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Dear Neto Silva, quality is quite good...can you put this on YouTube, pleas= e ?=20 Also, it sounds better in MP3, as the slightly compressed sound helps deali= ng with slight almost fringy barely noisy reception patterns. Anyway, it is= the best I got from Montreal, so keep an ear on it, while you can... Shoul= d I delete WIKE ? Hot new country is not having the most impressive stereo = separations and I swear to God, WIKE is not sounding a sweet as WIRY, anywa= y. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan, on his 26th birthday --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /mp3-usa/very_wide_stereo_separation.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > Description : EXAGGERATED Stereophonic separation on a 70s funk record = on WIRY from the Sony CFS 6000 / PK loop combo on the Verdun / Lasalle bord= er in the Montreal area... This is MY BEST EVER C-QUAM recording, better th= an WIKE-1490 Newport, VT as received in Magog, QC. This time around it soun= ded more like a 45 bpm than the regular dull and noisy AM fringy stereo gro= undwave and / or skywave C-QUAM DX that is available to me !=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/very_wide_stere= o_separation.mp3=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, >=20 > bogdanchiochiu > From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jul 16 03:14:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69886 invoked by uid 102); 16 Jul 2013 10:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 10:14:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15203 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2013 10:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.52) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 10:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.182] by ng11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 10:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 10:14:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:14:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.180 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: KYUT 1160 Arizona X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=WLvUM_J5bzkA8KapUa9_3tjOLpF3ovN81C2j17D73CI1Jt26pw9zBJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Warm greetings ! Two questions this time around... I`ll start with the first topic... Is CLA= SSIC COUNTRY (c.f. mid 70s, 80s, early 90s et al) and bluegrass often recor= ded in stereo or is this a rarity ? I listen sometimes to the Classic Count= ry Greats radio show which is also broadcasted each SATURDAY MORNING on Hom= etown Radio Stereo 1340 WIRY and I seldom hear really good separation but I= do hear some, so I just wonder if it is BETTER than New Country. DO you be= lieve in the past COUNTRY ARTISTS like JOHNNY CASH or ALAN JACKSON took the= time to record their voice in one channel and the instruments into a diffe= rent one or is this something relatively new and not yet fully developped i= n the country music industry ? Just some feeds for thoughts ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu, on his 26th birthday today From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jul 16 03:22:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69999 invoked by uid 102); 16 Jul 2013 10:22:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 10:22:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12285 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2013 10:22:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng24-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (66.196.80.49) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 10:22:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 10:22:19 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 10:22:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:22:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.180 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: Coby HD Radio with AM Stereo available now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=OHoIrfuvxuC9NFzKeZ58TOyd55aOU0ByHN7PKg2KiggVhWgI_GJawZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu I remember playing with a COBY brand radio back in 2009. While it was AM Mo= no-FM Stereo, the sensitivity was half-decent for domestic DXing on his fer= rite bar antenna and the selectivity was ASTONISHING. I could easily get La= tins 20 kHz away from strong local powerhouses like CJAD-800 or CKAC-730, t= hose, OF COURSE, using a passive Australian PK loop standing by the radio t= o boost those weak nighttime trans-Caribbean and occasionally even trans-At= lantic signals. BUT, on the downsides, that COBY had the volume control already broken when= it was loaned to me and the tape deck was a total lost. So, in my personal= experience, it is hard to say, as it was a nasty experience, but I do agre= e that COBY may not be among the best. May the good DX be with you nevertheless ! Bogdan Chiochiu way up in Montreal --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "KeithB" wrote: > > Unfortunately, the "Coby" brand is junk, in my experience. I had two of t= he same model Coby shortwave radio that each died within a few weeks; and I= have a Coby pocket radio that gets three AM stations (out of a possible 20= -25 in my area). Just sayin'. >=20 > Keith B.=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > > > For $34.99 with free shipping, this is the least expensive way to add C= -Quam AM Stereo, HD Radio, and RDS to your stereo system: > >=20 > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/350761986828 > >=20 > > The Coby HDR-650 has narrowband AM audio, typical of HD Radios, but it = does decode C-Quam AM Stereo, with surprisingly wide stereo separation. Sen= sitivity on AM is also quite good. A full video review, with audio samples = of AM Stereo reception, is here: > >=20 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3kNgUVrgSjA > > > From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jul 16 03:32:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37539 invoked by uid 102); 16 Jul 2013 10:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 10:32:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16153 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2013 10:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng25-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.121.157) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 10:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 10:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 10:32:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:32:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.180 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Multiplex stereo vs Motorola C-QUAM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=_O-QrLlTyfwj-SqbhB9VXLr-ZE7b62yEj4tqpV-CvG97X3MTtcg6-eI X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Hello again ! Why the stereo separation is wider in C-QUAM than in Mutiplex ? Is it just = because the stations on FM want to sound loud so they compress the sound so= much, the stereo effect is slightly reduced or is it because the Multiplex= effect gives clearer but less sharp separation from it`s own structure ? I= noticed when I compare NEW country on FM on stations like 96.5 Massena fro= m Pierrefonds and WIKE 1490 Newport-VT from Magog, that even though it is s= ometimes very subtle, the separation is still more proeminent on C-QUAM. I = mean if you study the walking ST synths on Marenda Lamberg`s Mama`s broken = heart`, and i you get the chance to hear them on FM, on FM, very often, the= y seem to come almost from the same source without that FASCINATING stadium= feel... Maybe, in perfect conditions (i.e. no platform motion), the stadiu= m feel and wide stereo separation of Motorola C-QUAM make it win against Le= onard Kahn-Hazeltine system. Just some feed for thoughts ! Warm greetings ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: Feel free to check out my last WIRY MP3, almost crystal clear, with n= ice mellow stadium sound out of a heavy 70s funk record ! I am going to vis= it WIRY next Sunday by the way ! 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File : /mp3-usa/Frankie_Valley_-_Swearing_to_God_in_Hi-Fi_mode.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : SWEARING TO GOD by FRANKIE VALLEY airchecked from WIRY 1340 AM Stereo in Verdun, Montreal, Quebec, Canada using the Sony CFS 6000 boombox in AM Wide position and the PK loop passive antenna booster brought from Australia... Listen carefully, the synth is mainly on the left channel and the voice as well as most of the other instruments are on the right side... Please leave a comment ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/Frankie_Valley_-_Swearing_to_God_in_Hi-Fi_mode.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Jul 16 06:32:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25725 invoked by uid 102); 16 Jul 2013 13:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 13:32:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27950 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2013 13:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vb0-f53.google.com) (209.85.212.53) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 13:32:24 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id p12so445253vbe.26 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 06:32:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.25.69 with SMTP id a5mr359373vdg.99.1373981543729; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 06:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.0.201 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 06:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.0.201 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 06:32:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:32:23 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} KYUT 1160 Arizona X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=QiAeLWeY6Z3j6NkI6_SCtaAaTNti3OcE5bzgcJ97ON8irM3i X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy birthday Bogdan. I don't know the answer to your questions but I assume that most country has been recorded in stereo since the 50s. I know some early artists didn't like the separately recorded close microphone technique used when multi track recording was introduced, preferring to play as a band. This led to sound leakage between the channels so the engineers did the best they could. Dan On Jul 16, 2013 6:14 PM, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > > > Warm greetings ! > > Two questions this time around... I`ll start with the first topic... Is CLASSIC COUNTRY (c.f. mid 70s, 80s, early 90s et al) and bluegrass often recorded in stereo or is this a rarity ? I listen sometimes to the Classic Country Greats radio show which is also broadcasted each SATURDAY MORNING on Hometown Radio Stereo 1340 WIRY and I seldom hear really good separation but I do hear some, so I just wonder if it is BETTER than New Country. DO you believe in the past COUNTRY ARTISTS like JOHNNY CASH or ALAN JACKSON took the time to record their voice in one channel and the instruments into a different one or is this something relatively new and not yet fully developped in the country music industry ? Just some feeds for thoughts ! > > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu, on his 26th birthday today > >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 16 08:03:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67228 invoked by uid 102); 16 Jul 2013 15:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 15:03:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30428 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2013 15:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm15-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (216.109.115.41) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 15:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 15:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.134] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 15:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 15:03:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 169032.9670.bm@omp1010.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 37110 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2013 15:03:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AKs0qBAVM1mAw5Sy7i3Nzxds9yoQK29F0GigYyhXStApMNJ f.Va_dgBHhxlG4wM.x0tg9P5xgSV1qw_j2lYw20_s84OhGATTBfBJzyA9RXo 78oTfx.SYYua8WFuxJ3HCyjsiowcTjJGBL2J.MHyO36KevX7mTDSOcS8zUfD ZPnT3eJCHcp_CmAmmSwxU7AMBtpk_mWc1UKOZGz1RJjMh8YeeK6A8.JQklFF ZJGusnKCIrfreK9krTaPD9PieQIVH8HvYq2Qd3wZWjIhrC8TS0E7aW3nqdBM CKJMAamEBJUNp1wENmXN6Y6UeKm1Px1nf4PD24Xvk_gDDDwxFGbANICGNxLs 0zY8yBFoTxWJIewXUqdk2u.I0U8BBquStuMs.eMhXWli0eUsqtML1oTgsYQQ zXppRBb4BoShQdcjeb7ZTjSvCzrnYKbk3bMDCCZXlml5um94ZGSxf0ghSJUt 1ijxmU04T7sWsEwZ0DTFxt7G_NcFPCdYLBmEvOCJ3eFy.KdOierYocdCv_TP G057vE7WpivDSpcRxtgt5ej.89I7J4bylVLoUDzKf7C.6 X-Received: from [75.18.50.40] by web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:03:37 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SGkgS2V2aW4gYW5kIGFsbMKgwqAgSSB3YXMgd29uZGVyaW5nwqBpZiBtb3N0IEhEIFJBRElPJ3MgdGhhdCBkbyBwaWNrIHVwIEMtUXVBTcKgIGFyZSBmb3JjZWQgQU0gU1RFUkVPIGFuZCBpZiBzbyBjb3VsZCB0aGF5IHBpY2sgdXAgdGhlIG90aGVyIFF1QU0gc3lzdGVtcyBNYW5hdm94IGFuZCBIYXJyaXM_IEkga25vdyBpdHMgYSBtb290IHBvaW50IG5vdyBidXQganVzdCB3b25kZXJpbmcuIEppbSBTbWl0aAEwAQEBAQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.148.557 Message-ID: <1373987017.26248.YahooMailNeo@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:03:37 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jim smith Reply-To: jim smith Subject: HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=j2DIE36eHssSdboqwDGW2JvJFixmil-G0SPjqrB9PfQbuA7HTCFhIbWgat9UiBf-m7-PnkgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kevin and all=A0=A0 I was wondering=A0if most HD RADIO's that do pick up= C-QuAM=A0 are forced AM STEREO and if so could thay pick up the other QuAM= systems Manavox and Harris? I know its a moot point now but just wondering= . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jul 16 08:58:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18690 invoked by uid 102); 16 Jul 2013 15:58:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 15:58:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27100 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2013 15:58:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yh0-f48.google.com) (209.85.213.48) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 15:58:21 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yh0-f48.google.com with SMTP id z12so245207yhz.7 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:58:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.47.40 with SMTP id s28mr625411yhb.12.1373990301035; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.8] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b50sm2049560yhl.1.2013.07.16.08.58.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:58:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1373987017.26248.YahooMailNeo@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1373987017.26248.YahooMailNeo@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4C8E6143-61A6-4445-B277-8A496A4F5835@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=0k7EysQ5zFZRUhJEPlAvvRasDB0vEW290yA6UMtMeVb5EpGA45XIGEhC8HjINQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:03 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Kevin and all I was wondering if most HD RADIO's that do pick up C-QuAM are forced AM STEREO and if so could thay pick up the other QuAM systems Manavox and Harris? No, in fact they need a pretty strong C-QUAM signal with a good Pilot to light off the Stereo mode. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Jul 16 13:25:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97121 invoked by uid 102); 16 Jul 2013 20:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 20:25:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19598 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2013 20:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.214.167) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 20:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 20:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 20:25:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:25:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 24.44.222.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.44.222.67 From: "rjskadl" Subject: Re: Multiplex stereo vs Motorola C-QUAM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=EzlD2fbAJqMHEeGZkRtSaeQkyAEaa5THlbbeWEZ_vbTXIw X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Greetings Bogdan, The difference you notice between the stereo separation with AM C-Quam vers= us FM Multiplex may be due to a couple of different factors. The first and most prominent factor usually has to do with Audio processing= . FM discreet processing tends to de-emphasize stereo separation, while AM= stereo processing enhances the stereo separation FM audio processing typically uses what's called discreet channel processin= g. In other words the left and right channel audio are compressed and enha= nced for loudness separately and then multiplexed and processed some more. = The end result is a very tightly controlled wall of sound. Processing for AM Stereo is typically what we call Matrix processing. What= happens is that the Left and right channel audio is converted to two forms= of mono audio. We end up with one channel which is the sum of the left an= d right channel audio (L+R) and the second channel is the difference (L-R).= So instead of compressing and enhancing the left and right channel audio,= the AM stations process Sum and Difference audio.=20=20 AM stations process this way, because most AM radios are not capable of C-Q= uam, so they are processing mono for the masses. Those of us lucky enough = the receive AM Stereo are treated to an artificially enhanced stereo separa= tion. It actually separates the stereo audio perhaps more than what was in= tended by the studio recording. It is truly a wild effect. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > Hello again ! >=20 > Why the stereo separation is wider in C-QUAM than in Mutiplex ? Is it jus= t because the stations on FM want to sound loud so they compress the sound = so much, the stereo effect is slightly reduced or is it because the Multipl= ex effect gives clearer but less sharp separation from it`s own structure ?= I noticed when I compare NEW country on FM on stations like 96.5 Massena f= rom Pierrefonds and WIKE 1490 Newport-VT from Magog, that even though it is= sometimes very subtle, the separation is still more proeminent on C-QUAM. = I mean if you study the walking ST synths on Marenda Lamberg`s Mama`s broke= n heart`, and i you get the chance to hear them on FM, on FM, very often, t= hey seem to come almost from the same source without that FASCINATING stadi= um feel... Maybe, in perfect conditions (i.e. no platform motion), the stad= ium feel and wide stereo separation of Motorola C-QUAM make it win against = Leonard Kahn-Hazeltine system. Just some feed for thoughts ! >=20 > Warm greetings ! > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > Btw.: Feel free to check out my last WIRY MP3, almost crystal clear, with= nice mellow stadium sound out of a heavy 70s funk record ! I am going to v= isit WIRY next Sunday by the way ! > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 16 16:05:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 911 invoked by uid 102); 16 Jul 2013 23:05:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 23:05:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32636 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2013 23:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm13.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (216.109.114.36) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 23:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.160] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 23:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.48] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 23:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 23:05:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 946746.21194.bm@smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: j0uXBKIVM1l.80Qg_442H7wC1LjRdGBbQGCKlrykTZLhVwo ToTP0udHyCm8ikB97Hgtbh40Y0yasi9xRk9fIXWzx20LpbC2raGR6cLzTPXD MSSY2WAfi5kQQrMaEYQpc2yA0ied7ahpMWnYxk.2OWxSVDSNP68BxcxO2CdI TOfodpaotMZSzPjKcDrG.K7KF8Yh3lm7kIdhzw5egMruv.7rzhufTCQaQX9x YOkPninr9hfPBpjtMmqvBCRYuSYE4A2R7VzOnolricJxb.v_bAyiVQoq3Ga5 4gZ4vEGxYWN0jFPzkdOm1ARbTvRMUgE2bwS8Uf_tLEI.z7Deugt.XG.jVyPt fzCGOquxqrsteGuilTklwF11U0Yi7otFwg28R8EH38AZcx1PIzLyuRZlaCTM 802J3nkq60ArGFQ5Xf06mSBIVxCy2fTsmPEf1dkg0vVpHfgcBF1.UHnMz.fp eqv3vUTVouEhyLEqCtxZyReihdjj1SRDHEhdvkf6GRiZ5sVtTQ7C4s6WkwV2 cpTwG6vfWPHHQt.1NP5Po5Owh_ifsJ3BrUpO6KP2n0RRyKmjUX7KmsREalFs yC0fuUmTLj_ApSgwHjodWgdNOMlWfdw2Lt4YAVjwhESZOTPmA7ye3cKaXPzk kMw3NSbhCK1HMjy0u1hMsGGl3WIzXPz_61N93luHWrfL0.GWal7lguD2CcPL aM0y6wbFKaRmVnY7hPyb2EWg48hY_rD0QFMDzxN1Y.cthgzUzb1Jgru8p0hX OokZEQK2buuaFAynQytl4MrCxKamaZ.kr8vPCodzsDAsbNjvy0.GDSqb9bou B1mFH1f9RqUNBBeDWNAkCK8dr.DCvSWRrZ1S9dKOlLd8bgBhNbbKYq8vWsHf oIUM364Qe_ty34hkmI1MvE4mYXFHua8PauPzpagltx0iyJNkVa7B_4ztq1fn d5Gb4eScWqvVvsSdvG8evBsRPLAipuJBRJGX0zw.7MwHv3zE_r8SRcQsnT6c RBy8BDIhbP1BUB.eIOuVMBIwCBFJwUxZyTdfPq2IozJbVb48dR.1Y68LyIYQ MgNWPSfYxFJB9Uana1ksVBCPWUxCnLvDkOjcUwX8zDjELxJvHg_XbzEjiGQg D1Ae4wTpYxxHiIW52nSn3LuOCKdMvhNlZUULOX3L6C0TS90caggRAwCnJugg OO78RT8rqHhWl5nvdyGiJuZWcVpRy3T0luRKuDsWp1_yQyHj3PGcJtoX_nhK MjMdeDzUxMZ6idnsErGNKXMGSNhn8sOQdvIEL1.rhRWx6lqYBZbK57mCb7BU odeWhLcYw_yXUR9_oefJj4wxhu9zICoTHENT3vhnLz1GGRXFipWdHVBeE4L5 lIPQz1fjWQouIlfx7k56Utu2aAZ2MzwcYAFya2tCZOqBti4MXwucKdm6fTvL aeexe4YbOzsLpYIkUUAOQaBjk8TFjakEIBrEIhnRxdPbZAx1OvawKqs8IgJu bcPLMIh3mH0WdZ7Cbaned.iV_uX5EWRynFtgGIPbMn6TPFjKpOgFHP4XRgip 2ZP4scieRL3TcEc_OZBgduozSOnYWT7sQne7.iAvQ3bH3h88TAYovCmtRfa5 fmESW1TII7ssD3X3uVkQPFB7d6tkj9TJoWI3xXgXFqUDchmpkgurZHZ0BvhT RFJDJzL4AuNbJ.tZP3VukxZ7KrqNu5Ld.6JrkR6i0xsQjGcebcnAuICf0pE3 3ecTNppnah5D1vem4HfioG4SnQVi6IgJUUg3coBtP78ubFksHV5krGx31MCL VTFPGeQw8hEiIPQ1SdIoUe1JRULhTb3AHGD2lUGDw1_Xt7w8IoUIvGluq_fA 39w9nfCtv2KXjczu70owWQc_G80mrqzdTFDBHa9ySmrhOSDafowH0QoSLrwG dvNd91ONGbqJevNTZcQ1OVs3T6JKDgcwjyX8E4fh1mzrB8KahkR9cCzCCNK. 09R5fsA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Rocket-Received: from jim51acdbd9d7e (jimsmith95650@75.26.23.208 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 16:05:42 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <007B0D22EC564AEAA44090DD7CC40542@jim51acdbd9d7e> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:21:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Coby HD Radio with AM Stereo available now X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=tLCk5_7aLykOpU3djdD7uF9zhfF_AgLyL5Wt_ywBpM4IZi-6AroThUVr1jlkXgTd681ESpo2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kevin and all I am wondering if most of the HD RADIO's that do decode C-QuAM are forced AM STEREO and if thay can decode the other 2 Magnavox and Harris? Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:16 PM Subject: {AMSF} Coby HD Radio with AM Stereo available now For $34.99 with free shipping, this is the least expensive way to add C-Quam AM Stereo, HD Radio, and RDS to your stereo system: http://www.ebay.com/itm/350761986828 The Coby HDR-650 has narrowband AM audio, typical of HD Radios, but it does decode C-Quam AM Stereo, with surprisingly wide stereo separation. Sensitivity on AM is also quite good. A full video review, with audio samples of AM Stereo reception, is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kNgUVrgSjA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 16 16:05:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19176 invoked by uid 102); 16 Jul 2013 23:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 23:05:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32182 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2013 23:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm9-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (216.109.114.195) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 23:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.163] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 23:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.48] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 23:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 23:05:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 665577.21194.bm@smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: b16wZxIVM1lVi9AijZiIZ1U9sS.C98pFUCoqDEMDfNaQdjO mgNMtxQoeya7DmHfYxlMT5463LL4rsYQLokGalyoghNO3ewJVQV4EQoMRpaD nqpDSpOZ7Y1T3.4IT.HeXzI1GdRvkqbnQKVxOycotEe82knexGi5oioVI6xB TGqjrKVUGFXEfR0ji6k9yc1Q_qjVGvMKUBNpmowCvjovg8TgLnbWCXYlcrkG GYMEY.W219AVnDVrT_xhtBx_Q_Tgs4DxKDvlOCxB1LMEUaJi6sw9fZzEqVhr vpdl2gHeTifqLCX2N.nLB.r5Z9woYSo4y7W5LoYan3LrxywnCqXIiXoJQAic qAicPr_IPGBsCjQTBsPobnhQwPPgGKPRkJp1ewjH235JU4ZDTh.uHV6NzRr_ nZGv7FaAYk8ZDp5NQAarU3vh9QaS4N67l_04aBo5E_xpDICs_h5jTLZs5oip 7dWEnk0rz9aloV_jpzEmNtkJxj1DhW3iJumsuO1NbEmD7MccBL8oFYJZp8Ki Ck0io1ddzMe6dUa0uaO_LcmkrcqiLuKxKIo9D9f9tfrwgOO_2vzm96tRwYtC uK.PxIeYFbO10Q92mbCNqh1k9lxc0jwc5mMa3HO5XvcZSXBfzjOb9UnPgEp5 0_kUizy7Bhc4sHJu5H2AUKG3NUhdwNT1V1yzYMCFNHuN5b9Wu8WAoYXLYRte naXU19WmKfaa63Ps8XhLram4Egfnl5zn62EBmPQxbhHNbGzgRrllBpbfkR2i cUf6CIBd3sVvHUStNUE4rXu6LY7nv6zojAEuHGDn4k5wcMYN3fEMPIHR8r0J 0Ny4lnqT393Rse0WHVuFNcu6bNDUkS2LP75JgbxPEdKU3GtQJX8ooQMkTI39 gQ5sh6aAot.Bc3Fak_ltDgvSXf8t8Crbou0ujZ9gn4iGG4GNs2hDKan8bZ0C PvAF6TV_SBdXNo6RAeVqqa5D7VIqEKg1b.jnKDXzv7QjoJ8GfhwbsCG6jZkb tKl49lulOxhmPdpWxaRnot4xdJpjVagPE_Z0kQuI9aCoBvKlRQTwsDcnqfv3 0aIxkEWb_2O0EVC_tP8PwLxgNtSphb5csKfJa2TL0xFA9EKkgviF.cvr1EzR yox5HILoZUziTblbT3dvAMKVvLGxWxKMGj0M627nL_7n.QhX4q3z_BhkD9VU gfFWd6c6Ht2Eb9yTaA2I.zXZBDyn2l4C_en33cH_m3alUvkVwmkE83S47nHb CHzvZo41h3H3BoAFDmHK2XsdOEIbTRZQ436zYGgqitIMVYS1gkLcJBYby7C6 YJ383BEk6nL7lhfXhuMIgWZ52_2TO5tYstJEJai3PZiNoLUEQC9Q7UkBmTFO o.N.zeaC.MvgtR3lTKjzbJAOxWaA_C7oONh_x0ITOuWWyTxQlo8DdYbw9pGz OxLS9XDd.Sui.gXgVn6X7_IZzp0X2Df2BpDDHFuaXNnlP4RGG_N7sYSCmJgu HaaxIiTloGkMgoowwYnr2mJmDmCi0YWnWwxlu3JvcgOO9k73kmoMiPlHlJM9 Tg78zW4VrMIJeAL2xsMHw6ic7YpIxdgFZeL5SwQTrKaLZIVms0l2cZ6RGHy. b_V8HudpnPbw6s9aAHEtY6Fi646tLJYOB5GUCqAjtT7tFwyD_KB.Gi1UoQH_ OXTYyzAdPSykB9bY.nyG2t1ey1l1ne_UNoe9r.UpnCwVeySTiJ3zlkNOzfpC bjg08wggmtN4JYkwFjnnd3wZ3oVaVDut3KaY9HvWmcNmtTXnLCmE4HLv9SKM VH6rlWeIxrrro4afu5k3cuRQyi9YrXCTHTzU8K1.l6ipclB9ytzM- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Rocket-Received: from jim51acdbd9d7e (jimsmith95650@75.26.23.208 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 16:05:44 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:00:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Multiplex stereo vs Motorola C-QUAM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=IZeRxqQwZa9JrDqQ_QVNOH_nz5kwMx4xh4wbP4ICu0EAIG98K4VnF0MfQXEmWBbDunqnFQvz X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi C-QuAM sounded even wider back in the late 1980's at 15khz insted of todays 10khz. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: rjskadl To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 1:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Multiplex stereo vs Motorola C-QUAM stereo Greetings Bogdan, The difference you notice between the stereo separation with AM C-Quam versus FM Multiplex may be due to a couple of different factors. The first and most prominent factor usually has to do with Audio processing. FM discreet processing tends to de-emphasize stereo separation, while AM stereo processing enhances the stereo separation FM audio processing typically uses what's called discreet channel processing. In other words the left and right channel audio are compressed and enhanced for loudness separately and then multiplexed and processed some more. The end result is a very tightly controlled wall of sound. Processing for AM Stereo is typically what we call Matrix processing. What happens is that the Left and right channel audio is converted to two forms of mono audio. We end up with one channel which is the sum of the left and right channel audio (L+R) and the second channel is the difference (L-R). So instead of compressing and enhancing the left and right channel audio, the AM stations process Sum and Difference audio. AM stations process this way, because most AM radios are not capable of C-Quam, so they are processing mono for the masses. Those of us lucky enough the receive AM Stereo are treated to an artificially enhanced stereo separation. It actually separates the stereo audio perhaps more than what was intended by the studio recording. It is truly a wild effect. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > Hello again ! > > Why the stereo separation is wider in C-QUAM than in Mutiplex ? Is it just because the stations on FM want to sound loud so they compress the sound so much, the stereo effect is slightly reduced or is it because the Multiplex effect gives clearer but less sharp separation from it`s own structure ? I noticed when I compare NEW country on FM on stations like 96.5 Massena from Pierrefonds and WIKE 1490 Newport-VT from Magog, that even though it is sometimes very subtle, the separation is still more proeminent on C-QUAM. I mean if you study the walking ST synths on Marenda Lamberg`s Mama`s broken heart`, and i you get the chance to hear them on FM, on FM, very often, they seem to come almost from the same source without that FASCINATING stadium feel... Maybe, in perfect conditions (i.e. no platform motion), the stadium feel and wide stereo separation of Motorola C-QUAM make it win against Leonard Kahn-Hazeltine system. Just some feed for thoughts ! > > Warm greetings ! > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > Btw.: Feel free to check out my last WIRY MP3, almost crystal clear, with nice mellow stadium sound out of a heavy 70s funk record ! I am going to visit WIRY next Sunday by the way ! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 16 20:47:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53026 invoked by uid 102); 17 Jul 2013 03:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 03:47:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23005 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2013 03:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.130) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 03:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 03:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 03:47:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 03:47:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Re: Coby HD Radio with AM Stereo available now - I wish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=e8vPGgBxwyti378YDt8A7dyL-Y1kSa9BRYelzYAYLXnNXXKa8-DhiJU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I just had to give it a try - got mine in the mail today - lights up real n= ice, but that's it - does not tune any stations, no analog, no HD, no audio= . Not a happy camper. I guess I'll find out how their return policy is :( Damn Coby had my hopes up. Did anybody else order one, and did theirs work = okay? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "KeithB" wrote: > > Unfortunately, the "Coby" brand is junk, in my experience. I had two of t= he same model Coby shortwave radio that each died within a few weeks; and I= have a Coby pocket radio that gets three AM stations (out of a possible 20= -25 in my area). Just sayin'. >=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 16 21:00:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76434 invoked by uid 102); 17 Jul 2013 04:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 04:00:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15274 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2013 04:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm1-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (216.39.63.119) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 04:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.165] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 04:00:04 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 04:00:04 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 04:00:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 423242.17586.bm@smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: qQmKLbgVM1mLn6Luz0oE1kQPOg1WcvSzljNzF4RmlDAZRq9 9HqpHjWotGGs_piN8rkadjRU2c2haA5sFAiQoRnRY65pOySy2RYGLxppLuox UkUNyHYibm2kq1jpYQYhlDbV4FoSr5H5lDM8NMkxqyBVWI.HEd.aG.Ig91V6 0SwMaOnTp3tX.nYC0XkN9O26JKugmwU6YT8VDDdl1RjQdiGcwAhFYe2YaSSL fYyjSfdw8Y_ilBwYSIHP1VExLulBLx_eUolPB.gFZ3rsaJme05GqpmHIeWGK oLDefx2I0l.H3qeKTwxnXT1NIboaZW2geI5_2le.QyztTcG7L7mkeTuqobBb rflnozOQCMczlSxWspRCJIepXpEKmHjxl.r6Exn_bDvB9WV2IMc6UJ8Dwxgp .5DBJ0OcSPsGxrtpdUW1LXdh_WvnVAwiyrkuFfPXGDJJNakUVcO1K34Alfv7 eW_JGB3Mp1HAjMtvtDnUBLPImOjIsqlHbFGDUxPvsbiC5P0CBc8fBCzRrARz 29KNcncoff_dDe85LnJ_IjbhaklJrGGGI0tROwtddnAMEdfcFGi77NcSLwHq sHKJ_vI8lP6tCBcuKnl1SFeraDLG7FgUD6pCVy_7zuL2kiuyIhXlDYbOf8Qc 2o9LELaaEG6J1jfSBNQBn5UWgw5o0olj0T6hGZCsV2mMvseBZqtfIQS4Sk8f htvliy2MeVhiT5AOjoV49dIdp3cWiJy4WTZMMOnRMbdcyOtMEp8CN3gy5nkY jL.8JvaSJ3fjNF0pALc4gWHdO.Z6EI642djAjYc6mXZLZ5aH2ogpSie.tpzj Trvm.0Tbohe4gfXUoK45kbdzsCH6AZwxvzS1M_O_QeRR3L0kj8fXY215MzSr zhEneK8VHBXN9rh3Mevko84tA3vIggPav9G91_l7mR9zy_vWLPXQW6CHYapq 6O94ta5oFF.ziKvW4VXux846uXR.nvQdt1HN.HS91PSSqrhBo0tVRbRxyncD 8xDLeRziVSFhVyFAgwmU.jO6vP_LqzJ9tR0TCKShiaETh1d6t__7iM95PDTw BD9vwSvA2Yx2z5TbjPjdl8RkrzEzPQmEyNYpPUNLV1cWFY2tc0RImIyx6U0s wRCFGVP.FbipX2.7aTQc1.7YylNFJezs588C1DIessK5enELk1tl9aTgEaej UFsyro8SKrHVKCxEq511BeTdAcPjHgeyIpBS34AWv03fnmpyL_yxWg93Fgr7 9neSNel9zdGIVJ1PaFP8YcED3yTnl5FT1t9rHV9HhtkJEaqnoKnOiszSMmQn EE3AMEtclg8HCQTeI5CLGWRDNhvMa1.3vOVjWWiO9UpOvIC45gbyk1OhI7c5 hTK_VhOFRlUOYMMVZo25DaeUBHAe_p5vN8Rm.rrkalzxVEtDVvN3pYoI13_N 8hgcVv3D3Cmu9Yqwchz7TxtH06NnekpfATlhcGC81N1taa7dVSsDGHVZOWFr GMWfgldATq60duhfwGvvi_sWtL5G4DL2Qf7EFqNh09xxMhfjJaQa2BPfvzgh xTyfta3I8_24cWYvNs.bSVngrl2qArbUZ6Zvn7t7_FgqQAGL.was2aYk1m3_ c6n6z0yD3WWl6rjEo7cOdWQw7uAzIVKFJuEyepTZBzs.TlgXcKoUdWKdrSpE ORlX1ju8pvfhn.XbYBJnZ5x5j9jd7ITns3g.Z4Zfva8OgPr1iCASNt1_ksi1 zjjfygfWQ76gkl6oj0nQA0L5kR2B_EI9jEMyErlbAEOhXwGss.hijmmY4ITr CG9cwbqMqJdVFb0Iko04iDPm5LZzGXwAfMurt9m1H8xZfjY_RYLc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Rocket-Received: from jim51acdbd9d7e (jimsmith95650@75.26.23.208 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2013 21:00:04 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <1CCEDAEEA8244858A5FBE2F04488B692@jim51acdbd9d7e> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:00:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Coby HD Radio with AM Stereo available now - I wish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=20TmA4YdhW2KZGWSHqGFAxMNT_BDSZRzbwTw3ILcS7y23bcc3mXO5EOoUxWUbThag6wslLhy X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang My frend had a Coby DVD player and the only way he could get the peace of crap working is to push play and pick it up and shake it like a Echa Skech.Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Quantum Leap To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:47 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Coby HD Radio with AM Stereo available now - I wish I just had to give it a try - got mine in the mail today - lights up real nice, but that's it - does not tune any stations, no analog, no HD, no audio. Not a happy camper. I guess I'll find out how their return policy is :( Damn Coby had my hopes up. Did anybody else order one, and did theirs work okay? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "KeithB" wrote: > > Unfortunately, the "Coby" brand is junk, in my experience. I had two of the same model Coby shortwave radio that each died within a few weeks; and I have a Coby pocket radio that gets three AM stations (out of a possible 20-25 in my area). Just sayin'. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Wed Jul 17 07:07:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20508 invoked by uid 102); 17 Jul 2013 14:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 14:07:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18080 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2013 14:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.76) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 14:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.183] by ng5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 14:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 14:07:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:06:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.251 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: Multiplex stereo vs Motorola C-QUAM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=iDzdBcpZu1AOrguA9Wt3SK_stBaoyCtMg-lRFP2yZu0_pSDZR3yC-50 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Thanks a lot ! Actually, my own theory is that C-QUAM attenuates the weaker= modulation on one side and amplifies the stronger modulation on the other = side... Maybe I am wrong... Just some feed for thoughts ! Is this called mo= dulation phasing ? Also, slightly off topic, but why some forced stereo radios give platform m= otion effect to monaural signals if there is nothing to decode ? There is e= ven one model the Sony SRF A 300 which I gave to a friend recently, after I= got my Sony CFS 6000 back on track, that throws in on monaural signals, th= e highs on one side and the bass the other side, causing stereo-like effect= on monaural signals... Back on topic now, it even does that for FM Mono, i= t has some phasing effect, when tuned to the FORMER 87.75 MHz analog TV cha= nnel 6, it switched the trebble and the bass in two different channels. The= Sony CFS 6000 and the Sony SRF A1 are also good at this kind of thing to a= LESSER extent, probably different circuitry due to multisystem (i.e. Harri= s et al) decoding pattents. Anyway... I went to Magog for my birthday and recorded some decent country from WIKE = 1490 in Newport, Vermont...more on that later, it is a promise ! Warm greetings ! Bogdan, now in Verdun --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "rjskadl" wrote: > > Greetings Bogdan, >=20 >=20 > The difference you notice between the stereo separation with AM C-Quam ve= rsus FM Multiplex may be due to a couple of different factors. >=20 > The first and most prominent factor usually has to do with Audio processi= ng. FM discreet processing tends to de-emphasize stereo separation, while = AM stereo processing enhances the stereo separation >=20 > FM audio processing typically uses what's called discreet channel process= ing. In other words the left and right channel audio are compressed and en= hanced for loudness separately and then multiplexed and processed some more= . The end result is a very tightly controlled wall of sound. >=20 > Processing for AM Stereo is typically what we call Matrix processing. Wh= at happens is that the Left and right channel audio is converted to two for= ms of mono audio. We end up with one channel which is the sum of the left = and right channel audio (L+R) and the second channel is the difference (L-R= ). So instead of compressing and enhancing the left and right channel audi= o, the AM stations process Sum and Difference audio.=20=20 >=20 > AM stations process this way, because most AM radios are not capable of C= -Quam, so they are processing mono for the masses. Those of us lucky enoug= h the receive AM Stereo are treated to an artificially enhanced stereo sepa= ration. It actually separates the stereo audio perhaps more than what was = intended by the studio recording. It is truly a wild effect. >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > > > Hello again ! > >=20 > > Why the stereo separation is wider in C-QUAM than in Mutiplex ? Is it j= ust because the stations on FM want to sound loud so they compress the soun= d so much, the stereo effect is slightly reduced or is it because the Multi= plex effect gives clearer but less sharp separation from it`s own structure= ? I noticed when I compare NEW country on FM on stations like 96.5 Massena= from Pierrefonds and WIKE 1490 Newport-VT from Magog, that even though it = is sometimes very subtle, the separation is still more proeminent on C-QUAM= . I mean if you study the walking ST synths on Marenda Lamberg`s Mama`s bro= ken heart`, and i you get the chance to hear them on FM, on FM, very often,= they seem to come almost from the same source without that FASCINATING sta= dium feel... Maybe, in perfect conditions (i.e. no platform motion), the st= adium feel and wide stereo separation of Motorola C-QUAM make it win agains= t Leonard Kahn-Hazeltine system. Just some feed for thoughts ! > >=20 > > Warm greetings ! > > May the good DX be with you ! > > Bogdan Chiochiu > > Btw.: Feel free to check out my last WIRY MP3, almost crystal clear, wi= th nice mellow stadium sound out of a heavy 70s funk record ! I am going to= visit WIRY next Sunday by the way ! > > > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Jul 17 10:35:11 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85226 invoked by uid 102); 17 Jul 2013 17:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 17:35:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 25435 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2013 17:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng15-ip7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.240) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 17:35:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1374082510; bh=6AvtICXeA2ocrfQwY6LcSmMvdNeZq88/UqbaFNDBOS0=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pxPIOqoosM8stzxqLWJrbS8p2fEoUWPwKqLI8X+5h42A9jj+HZ3Obdn7aDGNouBNarz6Sb/sxCYcSw+z19RKgzFMJBMSNiWaWh03OZx9XmoE3PVcl6Mxv5URR1uF2oDWeToxvWTl1iXUxCvbxQQOFpVjxTS90xXW0CMEh0gOF5Q= Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 17:35:10 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 17:35:10 -0000 Date: 17 Jul 2013 17:35:09 -0000 Message-ID: <1374082509.19126.21505.w8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WIKE_playing_country_infused_alternative_rock.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Recorded yesturday... Check out briefly after start a huge spot in the recording with the banjo country guitar on the left channel and the numeric sequential industrial rock synthesizer on the right side ! Wow ! Also, the reception was better than during the Marenda Lamberg aircheck ! Enjoy and feel free to leave any comment you want ! This is my best C-QUAM birthday present, guys ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIKE_playing_country_infused_alternative_rock.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Jul 17 10:49:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59211 invoked by uid 102); 17 Jul 2013 17:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 17:49:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 854 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2013 17:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.109.203) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 17:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A5C06700000B9 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:49:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.9]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5D0B1E00008C for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <417ed.bc6007d.3f183318@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:49:12 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:388770368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc51e6d9181355 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Coby HD Radio with AM Stereo available now - I wish X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=nnpAsG8yV_nVZMq2lX8j248CrCoPquqBwOphJGWIZJmRnd0ZTJrc X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Sorry to hear the Coby brand turned out to be junk. I still think the best bang for the buck for a quality AM Stereo tuner is the Delco UX1. Hard to beat the sensitivity, wide/narrow bandwidth, digital tuning in 10kHz steps, covers the expanded band, decades-long reliability! 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 7/17/2013 12:47:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi Gang My frend had a Coby DVD player and the only way he could get the peace of crap working is to push play and pick it up and shake it like a Echa Skech.Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 12:19:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15461 invoked by uid 102); 17 Jul 2013 19:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 19:19:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1116 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2013 19:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-vm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.51) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2013 19:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.89] by ng4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 19:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2013 19:19:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:19:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 181.163.180.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 181.163.180.157 From: "Jota" Subject: Re: Multiplex stereo vs Motorola C-QUAM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=NdO4LR9yiFaLoJ7o-90khUikclyqcOJp9eUtlaE5OQEWb1_Clw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! If the FCC would have good brains, inside, they would approve the Independe= nt SideBand AM Stereo system as standard, which is better than C-QUAM. Today we can get it from a digital exciter (software domain) and I bet you = the results would be... OUTSTANDING!!! Unfortunately, we live in the real world and we just have C-QUAM (with the = platform motion topic and others). Even more, folks, remember that there is a very strong campaign againts the= analog AM from the USA Ibiquity, and it seems to be the winner in some Lat= in America areas. Well, I just want to say I love the old analog AM and I'm still fighting ag= ainst the digital. Of course, I'm just an old crazy man. BTW: There is no a technical reason to get more stereo separation with C-QU= AM instead the FM Multiplex system. Basically, both are based in the same s= tereo matrix: L+R and L-R. The issue is about the original audio material i= s transmitted. If you broadcast the old 1960's recordings (which have a ful= l stereo separation), of course you will get a wide stereo image. If you br= oadcast the 1980's audio recordings, you will get less separation, because = those recordings had less separation (I don't know why). A good FM Multiple= x Stereo should give more than 40 dBs of stereo separation, which is absolu= tely good to our hearing system. The C-QUAM AM Stereo should give 30 dBs of= stereo separation, which is still absolutely good to us. I insist the prob= lem is in the original audio material. Of course, the audio processor and t= he Studio to Transmitter Link should be set... right. I mean, there is a go= od way to set it (read the manual, Hahahahaha!!!). God bless you all!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Thu Jul 18 03:37:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91677 invoked by uid 102); 18 Jul 2013 10:37:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2013 10:37:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24044 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2013 10:37:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.213.147) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2013 10:37:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.147] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 10:37:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.213] by tm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 10:37:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2013 10:37:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 805059.44661.bm@omp1022.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20938 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2013 10:37:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sG.kqLcVM1nn9LV0GFZrYqPg5ujbaPV82fGp..lAAC4fXrj .8nR7kiVpERz3O1ZsthmMhkV8GQwkiWSlIHrwq6rJVJ0pIOOnDvyw18zeYV5 TLSUbna9qnPyiZJbXsa5U1sJCeHZgkoNhw8JmR05nNazRIhRDGMnsIWZCK0B L6DtbhSsL_7MB6im1scFz7dLvXgiWjFQVNlDeaxk86kNQO1K_DrO7wAXmQf2 cwf4OUbRBE9fTJpKaj7Sr4X4a00rqfDO0QyPp4E7bNRdpi8xnVjX.s549djx i.PvbNBHlkQZHatK9t165qJHTDPOVQhBkWUc6oaXvNVrZf5J9aMUhzO.dvoY nSHRChjzJN53_U_DKa2dOt8sjZk6Iu0yUuAJOA12I6kTqmntBs60EhaVhGxr F9nMkysWv0yuJHpGxP2jvtbrJtwriw_LKLUKCCFpoAsdMeWJJ_vUcZJRrtyW uI5_9esRFmZCvDfApxcHoYhTa2XVxIbdEb3ANzDEDm5sh83yQB5QnqmOGgZ4 Gu6lscI2IzV5CqslukyNTJBpMm5v4Za.D1TekOsfgnI_qgIgffw_QIoXfmcA vR991aSePAle7AcQ.PINrY8cdsfXa0am_tZLqkFhwkbv.o_cjNi0lOL7EMWS pEoFFiRBDGMe_leX4Tq4bSHWr4a3oM2tzCDsuNbF2IIn_t6.7YuPDZyGi_1J EYO8HeLDXPxUCs4htYmZjFrQWPs3c5DRdYU.JC5.kKelNZosADEoDbeVHVa8 b9E5rTgaYUoWrnmhYJLeFCr8Cmp5NBmBjA3IQpX3C41SW27VV3Sue45J.rQT 3dN_XVb4PBkXP4a74JRc.2vxgwqbHn9NZ6SQI1PCA0m1uAoP4mI.PmhBFxjA 5S63HEROjLSCld.d1fCOJA6Ei7TtXVGWZ3pTcNiyLwMRC5OtHSnMrDhYbOcF xJP2_X9P3M7m_Tz54nC9rOglFGyCojBSvwS9FfsRz.CIcvlF2FCRbcwjaXzI KqKSIaqohKXgOZcIzvOWyt9hhvAKI.DARUa8jvxiQbw-- X-Received: from [186.213.221.46] by web142303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 03:37:18 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,QW0gc29ycnkgYnV0IHRoZSBBTSBTVEVSRU8gaXMgdW5iZWF0YWJsZSwgd29uZGVyZnVsIHNvdW5kIGluIGNoYW5uZWxzIEwgYW5kIFIuCgpOZXRvIFNpbHZhCkJyYXNpbGlhIERGCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBEZTogImFtc3RlcmVvZm9ydW1AeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tIiA8YW1zdGVyZW9mb3J1bUB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20.ClBhcmE6IGFtc3RlcmVvZm9ydW1AeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tIApFbnZpYWRhczogUXVhcnRhLWZlaXJhLCAxNyBkZSBKdWxobyBkZSAyMDEzIDEBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.149.560 References: <1374082509.19126.21505.w8@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <1374143838.20627.YahooMailNeo@web142303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 03:37:18 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <1374082509.19126.21505.w8@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=bfhzCSGOrufdWVa6BSoCZMcDgoxJ2A7DVtJFwBUlifcfbAEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am sorry but the AM STEREO is unbeatable, wonderful sound in channels L and= R. Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 17 de Julho de 2013 14:35 Assunto: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 group. =A0 File=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : /mp3-usa/WIKE_playing_country_infused_alternative= _rock.mp3=20 =A0 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 =A0 Description : Recorded yesturday... Check out briefly after start a hug= e spot in the recording with the banjo country guitar on the left channel a= nd the numeric sequential industrial rock synthesizer on the right side ! W= ow ! Also, the reception was better than during the Marenda Lamberg airchec= k ! Enjoy and feel free to leave any comment you want ! This is my best C-Q= UAM birthday present, guys !=20 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIKE_playing_coun= try_infused_alternative_rock.mp3=20 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Jul 19 17:22:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61950 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 00:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 00:22:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2788 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 00:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.72) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 00:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.182] by ng9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 00:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 00:22:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 00:22:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.143 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: platform motion on forced stereo receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=SUFJI61AAR3_oQRNUVhPc3GF-TK_LXaLurCpoD19njK0TF7mORbPErM X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Even though under normal conditions (i.e. no fading) the monaural AMers exh= ibit almost no differences between AM Mono and AM ST modes on the Sony CFS = 6000, as soon as the sun pokes above the horizons, one starts getting them = moving between a channel and another, for no specific reasons (they do not = have a special Motorola chip to allow this). Also, why this only happpens o= n the oldschool AM Stereo boomboxes - the forced stereo receivers, for inst= ance, and never on the newschool AM Stereo receivers like Meduci. By the wa= y I am gonna to visit WIRY this SUNDAY as promise elsewhere (maybe on this = list too) and bring them the PRO1K tuner - maybe they can make better use o= f it than me... They also have an amazing collection of vinyls...more on th= at later ! May the Hi-Fi C-QUAM stereophonic sound bless your ears ! Bogdan Btw.: Power outage in the area due to heavy T-storms... Hope this coming Su= nday we`ll have better weather here in the northeast... From acq@videotron.ca Fri Jul 19 17:32:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76885 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 00:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 00:32:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12042 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 00:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng12-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.146) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 00:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.220] by ng12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 00:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 00:32:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 00:32:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.143 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Best AM Stereo tuner ever made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=sTf052b5Y8jCZNxvFMzPUeecAo7YB7yxLnnt4f4IHn7R6EwrhdXRdQY X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Best AM Stereo tuner ever made ? the Delco UX1 the Sony SRF A1 walkman (for sensitivity purposes perhaps) the Sony CFS 6000 the Sanyo MW 250 boombox (never tested it, but would be willing to) the Meduci Pro1K PLUS (apparently the third version is much more consistent= because it does not forces to mono but leaves the Motorola decoder do the = job on its own which is good for graveyard Motorola C-QUAM Stereo DXing - I= am not so positive on this one, but it is another curiosity, BECAUSE my bu= dget is a bit on the edge for this hobby right now) the Sony SRF 42 walkman (the only walkman I am aware of that covers the who= le X-band - which ones are his qualities and his drawbacks !) the Sony SRF A300 Japanese AM Stereo / FM Stereo tabletop / microboombox ra= dio (it gives a stereo effect even on monaural AMers with the bass sound on= one side and the treble the other side, unlike the Sony CFS 6000 which is = good for other reasons; the Sony SRF A300 is one of the best AM Stereo rece= ivers I`ve ever used, perhaps my second best) Then, the WORST AM Stereo tuner ever made or the WORST ONES: the Sony SRF A100 with his tremolo fading the first two ones from Meduci I can`t think of a third one yet. I`ll leave it up to you. I have to hurry cause my batteries for my Laptop almost wore off. May the Hi-Fi AM Stereo sound bless your ears ! Bogdan Chiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Fri Jul 19 17:40:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6924 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 00:40:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 00:40:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5981 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 00:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.120.37) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 00:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.181] by ng23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 00:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 00:40:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 00:40:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.143 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Fisher AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=aBB8N-XZ5BuM1slRnKjULaESBrmaWRMRJGoxG0XN7DPaJcGzWeMkc6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Besides the well known Harris, Magnavox, Motorola and Kahn AM Stereo system= s, there were other ones such as Belar and ALSO Fisher... Unfortunatly, ver= y few experiments with Fisher AM Stereo were done mainly because one of the= FCC silly rules was to be compatible with existing monaural radio receiver= s. It is not that sily after all. You can get both L plus R channels from M= ultiplex FM in one single speaker on a monaural FM receiver which is cheap,= but is still, AT LEAST, RELATIVELY silly. I doubt anyone besides a few gringos that worked too deep into the AM radio= industry of the late 70s remember the 6th system, Fisher, that disappeared= before the FCC picked up Magnavox as the one and single standard in 1980, = but from what I have heard it sounded BETTER AND WARMER than even Studio Qu= ality, much better than Kahn-Hazeltine and Motorola C-QUAM did, according t= o that enthousiastic radio historian that wrote something about FISHER AM o= n the web, somewhere. If anyone knows somebody who could point me into an e= xperimental aircheck of fisher am stereo, I would be really glad. Thanks a lot ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu still into that interesting power outage due to nearby thun= derstorms and heavy rain From acq@videotron.ca Fri Jul 19 17:47:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11112 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 00:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 00:47:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30490 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 00:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.52) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 00:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 00:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 00:47:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 00:47:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.143 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: about WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=c7Vb2qaPALjdxHDX4EvRdEi7kcVFS1Q0o90_Lg2aNc0NwQgVgmXLGJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Warm greetings to all of you ! This is the last message, although still an important inquiry. This coming = Sunday I am visiting WIRY 1340 and I have a few questions: what should I ask ? what should I bring for them ? what should I bring from them ? I plan to visit their studio, their vinyl collection, their logo and their = transmitting antenna... Is it enough ? Has anyone else on this wonderful li= st visited WIRY before and missed something that I could bring back on .GIF= photo or audio tape ? Am I missing something ? I make requests from Montreal on a regular basis, so I know the owner Bob P= ooler and he is warm, friendly and very atuned to music and the local commu= nity. Warm greetings ! Bogdan Chiochiu From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jul 19 20:13:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1580 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 03:13:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 03:13:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4006 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 03:13:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gg0-f177.google.com) (209.85.161.177) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 03:13:50 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gg0-f177.google.com with SMTP id i1so1461106ggn.8 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 20:13:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.92.211 with SMTP id j59mr10460698yhf.204.1374290030398; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 20:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v68sm25774837yhn.22.2013.07.19.20.13.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 20:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 23:13:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo tuner ever made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=z5dKf9B4DuO1p94p_wgoGk6Ss0wtvchIPhZQwn61GvHJO8GDTHBKnVEEu4rqlw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jul 19, 2013, at 8:32 PM, bogdanchiochiu wrote: > Best AM Stereo tuner ever made ? What about the Fanfare FTA-100 or the Carver TX-11b? Both are fully AMAX compatible, unlike the other radios you listed. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 19 21:58:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69473 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 04:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 04:58:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8803 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 04:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm5-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (216.109.114.134) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 04:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.160] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 04:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 04:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 04:58:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 573731.52772.bm@smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 6zaVoCwVM1kIpHmN5IAEg5J44Zz95bQF_rqVZUnBtrizdEw fzrPAjBcOOHnKP5YbRLdl7G6tq4Kkx1DT93xJAm8eF1UrIex.tSU.gYteHKd LPgmE7p7ygJ2SjoJYP6AUxgf4_0x8MYrVy8A0dKFoCo15pV_7appc9bNiL4B wyQZ0yZB64Ibz_tS8tPgdHTBkd1_ZftA_8_sea2nZ36L3U_QdTvBCXaUEGHt 7Eiqx5919c5mZQkudQ2JMAK0vSIX4XgRcV6OcLg3Y6Auds9.9Y0H.wahldny nfxp3MLGpDRGT_LWYjAx4I6Z_ckw8sTnLag2jnPHDKxG1S_qZM1ZtmafTXKc WTOICvBl9OzxnxXtfKJ.n5mTjOSpRrgLo4mN9xYo7slT8hnDvn0vVr523hXT 9IkWJIv0QgoGrePtqIuqg1P9NfeB3ZxXl7e8SSka4h2w3gt8VwzoajZwKLZV xITw7_KnbrGPFBgttrJ.Izui8S_NoHmz0H9YwqNGKnk67IfEvP3sak3paStW vXLkH7Szz2BkLHezlEsIondr8ib2yOEzAaaqM8yG5RSSdM7Me6Xm9KpG7Vos imC6X1_CwxuQ6Y3Q5ocAffPm7HTJvOiqcFzDARcyL43l6Lyzl0O7YoEEHHSi fxNDph8O9juR06FHkGxEifVSNDhataXyBsna.IwJM54qAe1JqK5Hncyxgk2L Bj7SJ4RLY7pYdpGEIzyNIOAMCBSpG6H8A1FN2vAD8wjfHkiuq7T6HUtH.2z_ Ro56HHHOq7CWJIiKRjwSv6eayTl1f2xKLYW_GGIvt9HtVD.w4Z2MaR0LBQpO aeA99Ta5itrCuG0jmwsGHbLaaEyy4kB4jjcHaHLoh9n5S65SJi7v_empvubx 2LJJfofNPDD_wA7xDRyC6fxocckFNCkudgy35nYViLTlzFS2cT1kHpPPTTl. 0IO.j77u3pjyTYdgNlGfFEvMGcwoGWAr89m92WDRDMzdlDplj5pNQh95lqMn WGlJyb46t1jOfQvhheXpmzTS.nwbiN5wxAO6uMhM8JJh5AXCYhJCSm5aScMZ 7i_2bIO5Tqm05rXTUmrQZmHHv2up56Lh094.MNcSbetSpF8PS2rdv6uOWS7G w493sff7bAtkacwUksysag7KFhtKegQPG.vAp.dM8GHn8hjfA7VmHKxV_a.0 krdHBgWQU_cxGTE1apnbh9eiNNSQch0FSl5fwcFbh2EuKjWggGCaD9KQVURf nGstpFbjHDvuQwAik7RmdFpkTsKj6romu_payr488zHes04kOzXTK6bBVCCN LXIGJG88UPDKmRcAJ73O0ezU3vD0XaBUxELR3uuIS6G5pOsIDG2UPkafi.k_ 8ch9dGEwVJJ6N1OqJHPwPVOQwOqeWoqXyCXdElKPcUkZFJzuVKmkkM1SOEWu JysMEk.e1pTMeQTV7yUEDxNujwt71SmQRLU8WMfXU1D5k3AYcFO1Zn6y5fLu H3p8rO53WKZv88_rd1KHKDCb2hi.NBH.yR1_B2NV7iIult4.ybAjs0wjsUeX _iBqqaL4padGkpi.GXfJbYG1qofW_DNw5zLz8FT.KJk72yVD6UbY2K5zfI7x fmrV5kB5.YR_PTSOiaaSpT2fJ8snSJe7upBd2Jmxm0dW6gXsGlKP1kK8AJH4 cCsdYqsZPqNhDbxdpt8hgDMZI5pF9h7OJVV3pGdpEErkRyk2.h_sN2dcHKDx vjw.z99nfugdbKaFc5ZjNeZ403CTovXnX5aZAZPsPePPelwI5pURNBvirkZX yS0QIAt9gVc88n8waAd1_ykrxMDw4Wh7lcn0Z_frW_iaq4wRYrNo- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Rocket-Received: from jim51acdbd9d7e (jimsmith95650@75.25.47.156 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2013 21:58:31 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:59:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo tuner ever made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=JSCsAUjJeOXgnVua7Hr7LWMycpp9B-T5Wv66Ahmd-ApaSX6AYc9T89Q694JzgmBbhxysrFaU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kevin I think the man is on a buget. So i don't think he has those radios. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Raper To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo tuner ever made On Jul 19, 2013, at 8:32 PM, bogdanchiochiu wrote: > Best AM Stereo tuner ever made ? What about the Fanfare FTA-100 or the Carver TX-11b? Both are fully AMAX compatible, unlike the other radios you listed. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jul 19 22:09:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19078 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 05:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 05:09:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21984 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 05:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ye0-f178.google.com) (209.85.213.178) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 05:09:31 -0000 X-Received: by mail-ye0-f178.google.com with SMTP id m15so1496604yen.23 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.32.208 with SMTP id o56mr10286255yha.231.1374296971292; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (66-169-35-50.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com. [66.169.35.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a62sm26237568yhk.4.2013.07.19.22.09.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 01:09:27 -0400 Message-Id: <17786BC1-0701-4240-8ECD-CDAEB4454793@gmail.com> References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo tuner ever made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=KDFuvEz30K6fHphIYepmaY2zd-FWd8Z2Uj2hk5SfPd70-7pA95jg8Mmgj-Excg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:59 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Kevin I think the man is on a buget. So i don't think he has those radios. Yea but they ARE the best ever made. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Fri Jul 19 22:30:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64965 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 05:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 05:30:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3454 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 05:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.109.200) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 05:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D3E3D70000088 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 01:30:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.9]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AC31BE000082 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 01:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 01:30:09 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:441865344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c51ea20612ebe X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo tuner ever made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=s2r9qDDihgaHLmOVdXJsiG86aqh6tETBil-lNv1t9VytyfO4av6g X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I understand The Fanfare FTA100 is based on a Motorola AM Stereo car radio design. The Carver TX-11B was way ahead of its time. It is still considered THE standard to compare all other AM Stereo tuners with, although it could use better AM sensitivity. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 7/20/2013 1:09:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:59 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Kevin I think the man is on a buget. So i don't think he has those radios. Yea but they ARE the best ever made. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Jul 20 10:19:09 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29457 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 17:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 17:19:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 29087 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 17:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.83) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 17:19:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1374340749; bh=OEyDYDFd50052qkTPnnBIJReAxBgb+hPY5ksYtfSMV4=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oR1eQTeeQGIZFfx5AZ5rkgqpZXFENEss1fJmKXE9NgbiwUAj/YwxOP0egDtnV4ExkO+7KLSOP/XAqx1OiUDfSMqFc3jkehSW82pVqH7s091mwKASpeOH0XqbnPwS+hWpkmZr+0hOnEzvCsLMclpL+9UJrubptXt/aBCi8TmWNys= Received: from [66.196.81.182] by ng10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 17:19:09 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 17:19:09 -0000 Date: 20 Jul 2013 17:19:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1374340748.2915.81990.w8@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WBLQ_from_Westerly_to_Montreal_in_STEREO_on_1230.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Wow ! I can't believe it ! Stereo audio recovered from a local 1 kW graveyarder on an extremely crowded channel during semi-auroral minor storm conditions and a huge power outage at my usually noisy suburban QTH in Verdun, Montreal, Quebec, Canada ! If anyone else heard STEREO C-QUAM audio by skywave (with platform motion, of course) on 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450 or 1490 kHz C-QUAM from hundreds of miles away, please let me know. Hear Elton John's pianos and synth on 2 sides! Why not ? Enjoy! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WBLQ_from_Westerly_to_Montreal_in_STEREO_on_1230.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Sat Jul 20 10:29:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12708 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 17:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 17:29:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22338 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 17:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.176) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 17:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.84] by ng14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 17:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 17:29:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:29:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.163.112.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.163.112.145 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo tuner ever made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=gI_0GkN7Pgg0j8vSXQaz08_giGtVuB9cny0RjNQwbEBdWRyj5Qyv95A X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu The fact that it could use BETTER SENSITIVITY is of a major concern to me..= . I am in Pierrefonds right now... The only C-QUAM with occasional snippets= of city grade quality when solar activity is down late at night using good= antennas is CFCO 630 (better than WIRY here !). If I want to hear C-QUAM a= t all, I need sensitivity ! As far as the budget goes, well, it is a moderate issue... I have other rad= io hobbies besides AM Stereo, like LONGWAVE EURO DXing or Latin American AM= mono DXing (from Venezuela especially), so some of the money goes there to= o... In fact in AM Normal mode using a tunable passive loop like the PK or = Select-A-Tenna loops, the Sony CFS 6000 is a consistent, not excellent, but= definitively outstanding performer. I used this set-up while airchecking t= he station ID and Elton John song out of Stereo 1230 WBLQ, by the way... How many Motorola 3rd generation chips still decode C-QUAM in ADVERSE condi= tions (i.e.: skip on a graveyard channel - I know it might sound silly but = during the auroral conditions, they are less crowded and WBLQ is all not th= at far from Montreal; Westerly is closer to my both QTHs than NYC). Last but not least, anyone here getting WPAX 1240 lately... I am scared of = short-skip graveyarder WSKI in Montpellier, VT, but during a serious aurora= , with WSKI auroraedout, maybe some Beautiful music from Georgia in souther= n US might blow me away even more than WBLQ. I think with that WBLQ recording I may enter into the AM Stereo DX Guiness = book unless someone has a better file to share of C-QUAM Graveyard DXing. Speaking of tuners (back on track), it's not even all...every once in a whi= le, here in Pierrefonds (Montreal's West Island), I'll get a half-second sn= ippet of stereo on 1230 kHz on that dusty Meduci PRO1K tuner made by Jeff D= eck... Do you think it is faking ? After all, I cannot get solid stereo fro= m WIRY groundwave and the nasty skywave QRM against WBLQ Westerly is much m= ore clumsy... Anyway... May the good DX be with you ! May the Hi-Fi C-QUAM sound bless your wonderful ears ! See you next time, DXers and audiophiles ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > I understand The Fanfare FTA100 is based on a Motorola AM Stereo car radi= o=20=20 > design. > The Carver TX-11B was way ahead of its time. It is still=20 > considered THE standard to compare all other AM Stereo tuners with,=20 > although it could use better AM sensitivity. >=20=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20=20 >=20=20 > In a message dated 7/20/2013 1:09:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20=20 > kj4hyd@... writes: >=20 > On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:59 AM, jim smith wrote: >=20 > > Hi Kevin I think the man is on a buget. So i don't think he has those= =20 > radios. >=20 > Yea but they ARE the best ever made. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > From acq@videotron.ca Sat Jul 20 10:37:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5835 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 17:37:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 17:37:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1279 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 17:37:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.180) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 17:37:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.86] by ng14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 17:37:01 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2013 17:37:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:37:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.163.112.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.163.112.145 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: STEREO 1230 WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=TIIR9rQbgvx-ABTNaVKnAyySkvqs2vtzkPc-pSSvi47PjP9AcfjYZ-U X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Just to inform you that I posted a couple of minutes ago my best ever captu= re of WBLQ Westerly, Rhode Island... I would be glad if I could convince th= em in doing a DX test sometime to test even further long-distance stereo se= paration on a mediumwave graveyard channel. Is it true that the only way to= decode C-QUAM from medium to large distances on the graveyard channels is = to use a FORCED STEREO receiver like the Sony CFS 6000 boombox or the more = nasty (to me) Sony SRF A100 ? After some further thinking, here in Pierrefonds, around sunset and sunrise= before co-channel QRM rises, I often log WIKE 1490 (a powerhouse in Magog)= , so maybe getting stereo separation on graveyard skip is not necessary Gui= ness record... I once posted a similar albeit lower quality recording from = WBLQ, but didn't received much feedback other than to write to Chris Diaspo= la which didn't answer to me (yet maybe). What is even stranger is that it is easier in Montreal to log WBLQ than WQU= N 1220 which is next to impossible even though the former Shawinigan 1220 k= Hz powerhouse left that channel. Is WQUN beaming away from Montreal ? Thank= s for any answer ! 73, May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Btw.: WBLQ even brand them selves as STEREO 1230 as you can hear in my last= recording... it is not just platform motion ! From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Sat Jul 20 16:12:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81620 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jul 2013 23:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 23:12:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32378 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2013 23:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2013 23:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3B7FE793 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:12:45 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:12:45 -0500 Message-Id: <20130720230945.M12218@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: <417ed.bc6007d.3f183318@aol.com> References: <417ed.bc6007d.3f183318@aol.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: 5C3B7FE793.AC471 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Coby HD Radio with AM Stereo available now - I wish {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=F_D-JCiMKaWkqyQY7IwSzXhUxQnv1Y-D0UAQxhYZ-ozChHqsfS3j X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:49:12 -0400 (EDT), toddroberts2001 wrote > =A0 >=20 > I still think the best > bang for the buck for a quality AM Stereo tuner is the Delco UX1. Hard to > beat the sensitivity, wide/narrow bandwidth, digital tuning in 10kHz step= s, > covers the expanded band, decades-long reliability! Try a mid 90s Ford Mach 460 system- that thing can hear stations most other= radios don't even know are there.=A0 If I were to be building AM stereo ra= dios I'd reverse engineer that thing and keep it as original as possible th= ough available in portable and home entertainment forms. Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Sat Jul 20 17:00:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35685 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 00:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 00:00:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11643 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 00:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm45-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (216.109.115.78) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 00:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm45.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 00:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.197] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 00:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 00:00:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 404622.17823.bm@omp1006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 29451 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2013 00:00:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: y8EUrscVM1kXs9_R_70fSYUOzLRbitH1BrWtEMw0GkfikIZ aw6o7Y9UlhXI7wl4- X-Received: from [200.181.86.208] by web142302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:00:04 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,RklTSEVSIEFNIFN0ZXJlbz8gbW9yZSBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbj8gcGxlYXN5CgpOZXRvIFNpbHZhCkJyYXNpbGlhIERGCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBEZTogYm9nZGFuY2hpb2NoaXUgPGFjcUB2aWRlb3Ryb24uY2E.ClBhcmE6IGFtc3RlcmVvZm9ydW1AeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tIApFbnZpYWRhczogU2V4dGEtZmVpcmEsIDE5IGRlIEp1bGhvIGRlIDIwMTMgMjE6NDAKQXNzdW50bzoge0FNU0Z9IEZpc2hlciBBTSBTdGVyZW8KIAoKQmVzaWRlcyB0aGUgd2VsbCBrbm93biBIYXIBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.149.560 References: Message-ID: <1374364804.24012.YahooMailNeo@web142302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:00:04 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fisher AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=mp9nvd7NUjQtG91slC8b7bmP7oXPGvN23yvxIx_xGLhBptRM X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FISHER AM Stereo? more information? pleasy Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: bogdanchiochiu Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 19 de Julho de 2013 21:40 Assunto: {AMSF} Fisher AM Stereo =20 Besides the well known Harris, Magnavox, Motorola and Kahn AM Stereo system= s, there were other ones such as Belar and ALSO Fisher... Unfortunatly, ver= y few experiments with Fisher AM Stereo were done mainly because one of the= FCC silly rules was to be compatible with existing monaural radio receiver= s. It is not that sily after all. You can get both L plus R channels from M= ultiplex FM in one single speaker on a monaural FM receiver which is cheap,= but is still, AT LEAST, RELATIVELY silly. I doubt anyone besides a few gringos that worked too deep into the AM radio= industry of the late 70s remember the 6th system, Fisher, that disappeared= before the FCC picked up Magnavox as the one and single standard in 1980, = but from what I have heard it sounded BETTER AND WARMER than even Studio Qu= ality, much better than Kahn-Hazeltine and Motorola C-QUAM did, according t= o that enthousiastic radio historian that wrote something about FISHER AM o= n the web, somewhere. If anyone knows somebody who could point me into an e= xperimental aircheck of fisher am stereo, I would be really glad. Thanks a lot ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu still into that interesting power outage due to nearby thun= derstorms and heavy rain ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: bogdanchiochiu Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 19 de Julho de 2013 21:47 Assunto: {AMSF} about WIRY =20 Warm greetings to all of you ! This is the last message, although still an important inquiry. This coming = Sunday I am visiting WIRY 1340 and I have a few questions: what should I ask ? what should I bring for them ? what should I bring from them ? I plan to visit their studio, their vinyl collection, their logo and their = transmitting antenna... Is it enough ? Has anyone else on this wonderful li= st visited WIRY before and missed something that I could bring back on .GIF= photo or audio tape ? Am I missing something ? I make requests from Montreal on a regular basis, so I know the owner Bob P= ooler and he is warm, friendly and very atuned to music and the local commu= nity. Warm greetings ! Bogdan Chiochiu ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: Kevin Raper Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: S=E1bado, 20 de Julho de 2013 2:09 Assunto: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo tuner ever made =20 On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:59 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Kevin=A0 I think the man is on a buget. So i don't think he has those= radios. Yea but they ARE the best ever made. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Jul 20 17:58:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69330 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9609 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.143.78) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 015AD70000083 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:58:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgd003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.10]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C2477E000081 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:58:14 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438453792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc51eb322666a5 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Outdoor Antenna For Best AM / AM Stereo Reception X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=lPkE1_ipaojedFTMiUBjOm5tTTfhjGCZPlq3OiAl_aNr6oJC6Iey X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I have found over the years even the best AM / AM Stereo tuner is only as good as the antenna it is hooked up to. All portable AM radios have the antenna built in so if the radio is located indoors it is subject to indoor household interference. This can be from fluorescent lights, household appliances, computers, TV sets, small switching power supplies, light dimmers and numerous other household devices. If a portable radio is bothered with indoor household noise usually the best solution is to carry the radio outside in the clear for much improved reception. Another solution is to use an indoor AM receiver/tuner meant to use with an external antenna connection and use a remote outdoor antenna located away from the house and in the clear. I currently use both a broadband active whip and a broadband active loop mounted outdoors and route the signal back indoors using a shielded coax cable. The loop has the advantage of being able to null a signal or noise from a certain direction, whereas the active whip is omnidirectional. This way I can set up my AM tuner indoors on a table near the computer and enjoy noise-free outdoor reception even with the computer running nearby. This also enables making noise-free recordings to the computer hard drive, which would be almost impossible to do with a portable radio next to a computer. I wonder if anyone else is using a similar setup with an AM antenna mounted outdoors for extra-quiet reception? Most high-end tuners like the Carver TX-11A/11B, the Denon TU-680NAB, the Meduci Pro1K+, the Fanfare FTA100 and a few others are made to be used with an external antenna. Car radios like the Delco UX1 are all made to be used with an external antenna, in this case a car whip, but they have a coaxial connector that can use a shielded coax cable from a remote outdoor antenna. 73 Todd WD4NGG From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Sat Jul 20 19:31:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85880 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 02:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 02:31:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7779 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 02:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 02:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037F4FE7C1 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:31:12 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:31:12 -0500 Message-Id: <20130721022857.M10602@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: 037F4FE7C1.AC095 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} STEREO 1230 WBLQ {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=SlaNqMMqOJpj9d52rKVHEbK7WgTDieLLWU7qpA2gwVDOw_QQ5wHG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:37:01 -0000, bogdanchiochiu wrote > =A0 >=20 > Just to inform you that I posted a couple of minutes ago my best ever cap= ture of WBLQ Westerly, Rhode Island... I would be glad if I could convince = them in doing a DX test sometime to test even further long-distance stereo = separation on a mediumwave graveyard channel. What sort of DX test would you expect?=A0 Most graveyard stations are 1kw 2= 4/7.=A0 A few small town signals may sign off somewhere between 10P and mid= night but not many. Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Sat Jul 20 19:38:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4445 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 02:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 02:38:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1485 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 02:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 02:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740B3FE7AB for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:38:15 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:38:15 -0500 Message-Id: <20130721023728.M56396@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: <1374365173.33812.YahooMailNeo@web142304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1374365173.33812.YahooMailNeo@web142304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: 740B3FE7AB.AAD36 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} about WIRY {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=-S0RIxtQ_3jcTXD7udMVRqeLhTVmcTFbxatH-pZ_w9sAGQwF5z4W X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:06:13 -0700 (PDT), Neto Silva wrote > =A0 >=20 > Photos Transmitter and congratulations Wiry 1340 Am stereo. >=20 > Neto Silva Absolutely- transmitter and equipment rack.=A0 Studio pictures would be nic= e as well. Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 06:47:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2721 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 13:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 13:47:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30013 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 13:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.112) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 13:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 13:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 13:47:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:47:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1374365322.35679.YahooMailNeo@web142302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.220.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.220.169 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo tuner ever made X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=rgUd4iWxRn5BsDsyLZ-VDsi91wwJREoFJO3w3Qo2sUU X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Well... The TM152 wasn't one of the best I 've ever heard! Although the tun= er is quite sensitive and selectivity is not the worst... the average resul= t from an AM Stereo testing at my lab was not comparable to many others! Fo= r example the SONY ST-JX220A it is scaled up to the highest "low cost" tune= rs. The TEAC T30 system is one the most non-known EXCELLENT AM STEREO perfo= rmers! Great sensitivity & selectivity, going up to 1710KHz ! and while not= a widebanded tuner... it does have a quite wide IF when turned on stereo r= eception mode! At least it sounds more than decent... comparable to other A= M Stereo radios that they can't get you even more than 7KHz out of them!=20 I have a PIONEER KEH8300 in my car... and it is the MOST excellent car radi= o I have ever heard! I've owned some BLAUPUNKT AM STEREO models, that they = used to be in mercedes, back in the late 80's early 90's but the PIONEER is= by far better than those! It has also WIDE/NARROW AM selection, with the W= IDE mode be able to provide better than FM Stereo bandwidth! only drawback = is that it works up to 1629KHz since its an Ozzy market model. But for here= , Europe, it doesn't matter after all!=20 A KRACO 1084 car radio was also good enough, but not so high audio quality = as the PIONEER or the BLAUPUNKTs! Had also another AM Stereo car radio, tha= t came from Japanese cars as a fit from factory raadio, that I can't figure= out who's the maker and what's the model of it. Nut it does sound decent! = The car was TOYOTA AFAIK, and it is the only one I have with CD instead of = a tape player!=20 I don't have a FANFARE FT100 to copmare, wtih DENON, CARVER, etc, but in th= e past almost 10 years I had the luck to get my hands on too many other rad= ios/tuners that decode AM STEREO! Well... there is no other tuner/radio/rec= eiver that can give you the full meaning of what AM STEREO should be aired,= ither than the CARVERs TX11A & B ! Even that they are not so sensitive in = the RF part, they will fullfill that by just making you to love AM STEREO! = There is not a single person that had listen AM Stereo from a CARVER tuner = and didn't said that its incredible if that audio is from an AM station!=20 So, IMHO at least till now, there is no other AM STEREO reception device th= at can be compared with the CARVER TX11A (and B) tuners! Pitty they have st= opped production of them, too many years ago!!!=20 FYI, there is also some good news from a contact I've made some time ago wi= th a chip maker, about making a new AM stereo decoding IC! And yes they rep= lied that they are interested about it! Will keep you informed about what w= ill be the final results, because they asked if there is an interest in the= market for it of at least some small enough number! I may be able to cover= them... to bring life to their upgrade possible project.. If I only could = order them ~ >2500pcs at once!=20=20 Will see!!!=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neto Silva wrote: > > Kevin and Realistic Tm 152 Am stereo Good Radio Am Stereo? >=20 > Neto Silva > Brasilia DF >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > De: Kevin Raper > Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Enviadas: S=E1bado, 20 de Julho de 2013 2:09 > Assunto: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo tuner ever made >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:59 AM, jim smith wrote: >=20 > > Hi Kevin=A0 I think the man is on a buget. So i don't think he has tho= se radios. >=20 >=20 > Yea but they ARE the best ever made. >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Sun Jul 21 08:16:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9341 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 15:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 15:16:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10575 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 15:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.213.147) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 15:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.172] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 15:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.211] by tm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 15:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 15:16:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 50338.24140.bm@omp1020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 77128 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2013 15:16:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: e3WeNFIVM1kpPQ.5NivUvKD6sJzpVotpUa5OwKLSYLdV26R fhe.vZ1pys5KRNnE- X-Received: from [200.181.86.208] by web142302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:16:53 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,UGhvdG9zIEFudGVubmEgCgoKTmV0byBTaWx2YQpCcmFzaWxpYSBERgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRGU6ICJ0b2Rkcm9iZXJ0czIwMDFAYW9sLmNvbSIgPHRvZGRyb2JlcnRzMjAwMUBhb2wuY29tPgpQYXJhOiBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSAKRW52aWFkYXM6IFPDoWJhZG8sIDIwIGRlIEp1bGhvIGRlIDIwMTMgMjE6NTgKQXNzdW50bzoge0FNU0Z9IE91dGRvb3IgQW50ZW5uYSBGb3IgQmVzdCBBTSAvIEFNIFN0ZXJlbyBSZWNlcHRpb24KIAoKSSBoYXYBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.149.560 References: Message-ID: <1374419813.73287.YahooMailNeo@web142302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:16:53 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} Outdoor Antenna For Best AM / AM Stereo Reception X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=Z0M9tKRDw6FsGeamlJ7vN7aYGCHIuXhKsDLL5paP9FUvt9_g X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Photos Antenna=20 Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: "toddroberts2001@aol.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: S=E1bado, 20 de Julho de 2013 21:58 Assunto: {AMSF} Outdoor Antenna For Best AM / AM Stereo Reception =20 I have found over the years even the best AM / AM Stereo tuner is only=A0 as good as the antenna it is hooked up to.=20 All portable AM radios=A0 have the antenna built in so if the radio is located indoors it is subject to=A0 indoor household interference. This can be from fluorescent lights, household=A0 appliances, computers, TV sets, small switching power supplies, light=A0 dimmers and numerous other household devices. If a portable radio=A0 is bothered with indoor household noise usually the= =20 best solution is to carry=A0 the radio outside in the clear for much improved reception. Another=A0 solution is to use an indoor AM receiver/tuner meant to use with= =20 an external=A0 antenna connection and use a remote outdoor antenna located away from the=A0 house and in the= =20 clear. I currently use both a broadband active whip and=A0 a broadband active loop mounted outdoors and route the signal back indoors=A0 using a shielded coax cable. The loop has the advantage of being able to null=A0 a signal or= =20 noise from a certain direction, whereas the active whip is=A0 omnidirectional. This way I can set up my AM tuner indoors on a=A0 table near the computer and enjoy noise-free outdoor reception even with=A0 the comput= er=20 running nearby.=20 This also=20 enables making noise-free recordings to the computer hard drive, which=A0=20 would be almost impossible to do with a portable radio next to a computer. I=A0 wonder if anyone else is using a similar setup with an AM antenna=20 mounted=A0 outdoors for extra-quiet reception? Most high-end tuners like the=A0 Carver TX-11A/11B, the Denon TU-680NAB,=20 the Meduci Pro1K+, the Fanfare FTA100 and a few others are made to=A0 be used with an external antenna. Car radios like the Delco UX1 are a= ll=20 made to=A0 be=20 used with an external antenna, in this case a car whip, but they have a=A0= =20 coaxial connector that can use a shielded coax cable from a remote outdoor=A0 antenna. 73 Todd WD4NGG ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sun Jul 21 09:52:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14171 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 16:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 16:52:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18906 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 16:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.143.82) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 16:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4284D700000A6 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:52:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgc001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.1]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C9BF3E000086 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <5abe5.3de8037.3f1d6bc8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:52:24 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338951ec11c80863 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Outdoor Antenna For Best AM / AM Stereo Reception X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=j72nRWRMeWkvuH9erMVVafOYuGtjvigyVG-xFgToasBhVTow2aw0 X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I have uploaded a series of photos of the Broadband Active Loop AM antenna to the photos section. The loop antenna is based on a design by M0AYF that is widely available on the web. I have also included a copy of the loop preamp circuit and power supply that inserts 12V power into the coax cable that goes to the loop. The preamp I built is an improved version that has some differences from the original circuit, The loop is a single turn of 1/4 -inch diameter copper tubing about 3 feet in diameter mounted on a homemade frame of fiberglass tubing and plexiglass anchor plates. The preamp is mounted inside a weatherproof plastic box. Since the pictures were taken I have mounted the loop on a TV Rotor so I can turn the loop around from indoors by remote control. I set up the rotor using a compass so I can get accurate bearings on the different stations direction. I use a 75 foot run of RG8X coax out to the loop which is located about 50 feet away from the house. The loop is broadband so it requires no tuning across the broadcast band. The loop has enough gain to make up for the lack of sensitivity of the Carver TX-11A and turns the TX-11A into a DX-capable tuner. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 7/21/2013 11:17:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br writes: Photos Antenna Neto Silva Brasilia DF From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Sun Jul 21 11:03:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55329 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 18:03:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 18:03:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8509 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 18:03:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 18:03:46 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2B4115480 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:03:40 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:03:40 -0500 Message-Id: <20130721180101.M69715@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: References: <1374365322.35679.YahooMailNeo@web142302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: 5D2B4115480.AB093 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo tuner ever made {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=VBJBLVwq-JC8gP5RbzPCn73v5VuqmZ2dYvNeUlI4BoBGf5O3LzcD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:47:20 -0000, pdmtr wrote > I don't have a FANFARE FT100 to copmare, wtih DENON, CARVER, etc, but in = the past almost 10 years I had the luck to get my hands on too many other r= adios/tuners that decode AM STEREO! Well... there is no other tuner/radio/r= eceiver that can give you the full meaning of what AM STEREO should be aire= d, ither than the CARVERs TX11A & B ! Even that they are not so sensitive i= n the RF part, they will fullfill that by just making you to love AM STEREO= ! There is not a single person that had listen AM Stereo from a CARVER tune= r and didn't said that its incredible if that audio is from an AM station!= =20 >=20 > So, IMHO at least till now, there is no other AM STEREO reception device = that can be compared with the CARVER TX11A (and B) tuners! Pitty they have = stopped production of them, too many years ago!!!=20 > Sotiris- The earlier models of Day Sequerra HD tuners had AM stereo capabil= ity.=A0 Did you ever get a chance to evaluate any of them?=A0 IIRC they wer= e expensive, but not quite as much as the Fanfare. Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Jul 21 12:18:13 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73306 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 19:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 19:18:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 14508 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 19:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.43) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 19:18:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1374434292; bh=pKXFHb2BjjqKKW7A2RViLQWCeH1fl4dYmnv5lv6Ting=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PORIMdtJ86mbuVlpXAwzOaFGB7yi+RwkYWFxUDYNZZYxs7rIbCIOtQ4ea1d6JHRImNbenhrbqN43ixiJ+R91PBByx+gAgW8k+Vzgzxdzj8Drix2t/HMwDvX33Wam3SW7B0CCqBsZ2xib+GKnoBgQLtTMrBKEGALt6zCtPSrKj08= Received: from [66.196.81.181] by ng6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 19:18:12 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 19:18:12 -0000 Date: 21 Jul 2013 19:18:12 -0000 Message-ID: <1374434292.3058.639.w12@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_Beatles_-_Help_while_visiting_Wiry.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A local aircheck of me, Bogdan, and Dan of Wiry made while visiting the station this morning, as I asked them one of my favorite records from 1965, HELP, by THE BEATLES... Sound quality is not bad at all, it reveals the vinyl technical limitations though ! During the dueling talk and singing before the song begins, it was perfect, though ! Recorded at WIRY tower using the Sony CFS 6000 barefoot ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_Beatles_-_Help_while_visiting_Wiry.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Sun Jul 21 12:28:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73924 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 19:28:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 19:28:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24541 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 19:28:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.118) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 19:28:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.219] by ng10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 19:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 19:28:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 19:28:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.163.112.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.163.112.145 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: VERY succesful VISIT to WIRY ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=E_sH9DsLxxZmrXhkOS-QME8SwVoghKVAFrcyAh5dNsLqXizAjhIk9ys X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Photos were took of one or two stickers, the antenna tower, the vinyl colle= ction and...surprise...I spoke with the chief engineer who's name is Roy is= doing the PM Sunday time slot and he took care of the Meduci tuner that wa= s not too satisfying for me, he is looking forward putting it on streaming = or giving it to a listener during contest. There I stayed for 3 whole hours during their Sunday Solid Gold 1965-only s= how. Happily enough, they played songs from 1965 with very little in the wa= y of country or western references, just rock oldies which is fine for me, = as I am not a big country fan, even though I sometimes have to contend with= CFCO-630 as it is my most likely source of AM Stereo. They have SO MANY vinyls, it is hard to look for them... My best request wa= s perhaps THE FORTUNES (in terms of melodic quality), but there are space l= imitations here on AMSF and, also, it came out of of a vinyl so the over-th= e-air quality of my Maxell reel-to-reel tape is a bit scratchy. I believe v= ynils sound better on FM and CDs sound better on AM because of the loudness= vs clarity different effects. There were a few prog rock bands like Gentle Giants (I had extensive talks = about my favorite types of music with Dan) that he didn't know and he had m= usic I didn't knew like The Monkeys (psychedelic proto-prog I guess) that h= e would play on the Next Edition of Solid Gold, for time limitations. Warm greetings and may the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Btw.: Please, if you listen toward the end of my other last WBLQ 1230 airch= eck, let me know if you hear anything in STEREO. I would like a confirmatio= n, that's all ! Thanks a huge lot ! From acq@videotron.ca Sun Jul 21 16:03:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97986 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 23:03:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 23:03:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32587 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 23:03:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.25) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 23:03:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.183] by ng4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 23:03:27 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 23:03:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 23:03:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.163.112.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.163.112.145 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=Tci1EsilWkYA6epNO_RS08fmUZyNY9SXm4q61aKkvbtwBtL5oG3hxNc X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Hello ! Please, feel free to check the WIRY transmitter into the transmitters secti= on as well as the radios I did bring during the trip under the AM STEREO RA= DIOS section... For local and STRONG semi-local listening only, the Sony SR= F A100 still has good sound and with other batteries, I noticed less tremol= o on the lower frequencies (below 1400, i.e. below WIKE-1490), so I also di= d bring this otherwise overrated personal radio with me on this short trip. Those are my first photos on AMSF ! Warm greetings ! Bogdan From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Jul 21 16:20:30 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57769 invoked by uid 102); 21 Jul 2013 23:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 23:20:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 16651 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2013 23:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.108) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2013 23:20:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1374448830; bh=Vl+ehMUl0TJW8Cd6fNCWgcLX6OK0H5okrGqMutW15EA=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pH8oq754IYjk+w6mWHkmJMBdGaei8vh5BWanRjAzrWZvftmY+FL0FMk2ZTaq4SIWAGJ0KhxUJl9IWvOhM8P6LZJVasHdNI0wjCoumLlmGIksToBruG+FziQOgwdJDLu8TM7RFl04wIJJAUmXZW7drqjPGbNYOWxchS82iL/xnuE= Received: from [66.196.81.183] by ng13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 23:20:30 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2013 23:20:30 -0000 Date: 21 Jul 2013 23:20:30 -0000 Message-ID: <1374448830.3369.93539.w6@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_The_Righteous_Brothers_You_Lost_That_Love_and_Feeling.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : "You Lost That Love & Feeling" by THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS, as recorded straight from the WIRY 1340 transmitter site in Plattsburgh using the Sony CFS 6000 boombox in AM ST Wide mode with the equalizers at their peak ! Came off a CD which gives cleaner sound on C-QUAM than the previous Beatles vinyl... You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_The_Righteous_Brothers_You_Lost_That_Love_and_Feeling.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 03:07:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4696 invoked by uid 102); 22 Jul 2013 10:07:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 10:07:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10839 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2013 10:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.63) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 10:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2013 10:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.41] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2013 10:07:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 10:07:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1374434292.3058.639.w12@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.220.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.220.169 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re:WIRY recordings - New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=yEonEclLTOOH7I9XVC6QhbOxhvsGk98KPyIYqlT04AY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Bogdan=20 There is always a catch when you are trying to listen a powerfull AM signal= right beneath the antenna of it. Depending of the radio receiver AGC capab= ilities you may or may not have an "overcompressed" look like demodulated a= udio. The most vulnarable radios will be those that have a feritte antenna = embedded inside, that can't be disconnected by its user. Since the AGC is r= eaching the maximum attenuation it can do, far before you get even close to= the transmitter antenna, there is no "headroonm" left for the demodulator = circuit to distinguish the amplitude diferences of a signal above a specifi= c level at its input, and due to that "overdrive" clipping occurs that tran= slates to some distortion or similar audio effects. Also since the AM Stere= o is quadruture signal the demodulation of stereo component also relies upo= n the vector resulting from amplitude and phase of incoming signals. If jus= t the one of them is incapable to be demodulated properly, the dematrixing = circuit can't provide the full stereo separation as it should. It's like bl= ocking the demodulator by forcing it to stay all time at a maximum amplitud= e output with limited or no return to mid - lower levels! I don't go in dep= th analysing that... but IMHO whenever you want to do aircheck listening ju= st below (or too near) the antenna of an AM transmitter, as is the case of = the WIRY studio - antenna area, you may prefer to try to listen thru a non = sensitive AM radio! If I could I would prefer to get a CARVER TX11A with me= ... yeah it is insensitive enough as it is... and add only a small piece of= wire if needed, to the antenna port of it.=20 And here it is why TX11A is the prefered AM STEREO studio - transmitter mon= itor receiver IMHO! The AGC of it can be adjusted (internally) to its maxim= um possible headroom, or lowered to a more desense level, if needed to work= just next to transmitter tower! The by default sensitivity of it is like i= t was made to do so! And if you add an external antenna at it it can perfro= m most likely as a common AM radio, not that of the DXing type radios, but = for sure can stand as a raadio receiver that will get any decent signal in = the area!=20 =20=20 You may have to find a radio that you could disconnect the internal rod ant= enna of it, in case you visit a studio that its located right next to the t= ransmitting antenna of it. You will find that there will be a huge diferren= ce while listen with and without the rod antenna connected.=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_Beatles_-_Help_while_visiting_Wiry.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > Description : A local aircheck of me, Bogdan, and Dan of Wiry made whil= e visiting the station this morning, as I asked them one of my favorite rec= ords from 1965, HELP, by THE BEATLES... Sound quality is not bad at all, it= reveals the vinyl technical limitations though ! During the dueling talk a= nd singing before the song begins, it was perfect, though ! Recorded at WIR= Y tower using the Sony CFS 6000 barefoot !=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_Beatles_-_= Help_while_visiting_Wiry.mp3=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > Regards, >=20 > bogdanchiochiu > From acq@videotron.ca Mon Jul 22 03:35:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53075 invoked by uid 102); 22 Jul 2013 10:35:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 10:35:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5047 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2013 10:35:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.52) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 10:35:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2013 10:35:36 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2013 10:35:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 10:35:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.203 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re:WIRY recordings - New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=_vYyfpctVIK0vvSQOaistaaLDs3mr_-NzNjlBgeQDvmUdZ55DHPJkAk X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Warm greetings and thanks for your inquiry ! There are several things to take into consideration: if you compare HELP by= the BEATLES with I LOST THE LOVE AND FEELING by THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS, yo= u will notice the second one (that I posted a few minutes later) has near C= D quality, a very pure sound anyway with the best stereo separation I have = ever heard, so it depends on several factors... As far as the transmitter output goes nd the AGC issue, they do not use a f= ancy antenna... For it`s size, it is not clumsy either, but a few kilometer= s north of Pierrefonds, in Laval, on the north shore of Montreal, you loose= the whole signal. The antenna in it`s self almost look home made. We had i= n Romania similar antennas to catche Bulgarian TV, so I do not even know if= it is cut right to 1340 kHz. If they get out so-so in the Montreal area, i= t is mainly because of the relatively close distance beetwen me and WIRY... Back on track, maybe THE BEATLES are using narrower separation on their HEL= P record than THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS... If you listen to the second file, y= ou almost have the natural stadium feel ! Also, please, please, please, is = there a way of posting .WAV files to Yahoo! that are at least about 3 minut= es... I believe the .WAV to MP3 file transfer adds a whistle that reduces s= tereo perception, even though that whistle is extremely slight on 128 KBits= 44.1 kHz vs the CD quality .WAV file. Also, last but not least, is there any software other than Dyonisus MP3 for= sharing airchecks on the web ? I have heard some of you record the radio c= ontent DIRECTLY into MP3 without using WAVE at first... Is it a better idea= , is it worse or it doesn`t really matter ? See you later ! May the C-QUAM Hi-Fi sound bless your ears ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > Hi Bogdan=20 > There is always a catch when you are trying to listen a powerfull AM sign= al right beneath the antenna of it. Depending of the radio receiver AGC cap= abilities you may or may not have an "overcompressed" look like demodulated= audio. The most vulnarable radios will be those that have a feritte antenn= a embedded inside, that can't be disconnected by its user. Since the AGC is= reaching the maximum attenuation it can do, far before you get even close = to the transmitter antenna, there is no "headroonm" left for the demodulato= r circuit to distinguish the amplitude diferences of a signal above a speci= fic level at its input, and due to that "overdrive" clipping occurs that tr= anslates to some distortion or similar audio effects. Also since the AM Ste= reo is quadruture signal the demodulation of stereo component also relies u= pon the vector resulting from amplitude and phase of incoming signals. If j= ust the one of them is incapable to be demodulated properly, the dematrixin= g circuit can't provide the full stereo separation as it should. It's like = blocking the demodulator by forcing it to stay all time at a maximum amplit= ude output with limited or no return to mid - lower levels! I don't go in d= epth analysing that... but IMHO whenever you want to do aircheck listening = just below (or too near) the antenna of an AM transmitter, as is the case o= f the WIRY studio - antenna area, you may prefer to try to listen thru a no= n sensitive AM radio! If I could I would prefer to get a CARVER TX11A with = me... yeah it is insensitive enough as it is... and add only a small piece = of wire if needed, to the antenna port of it.=20 > And here it is why TX11A is the prefered AM STEREO studio - transmitter m= onitor receiver IMHO! The AGC of it can be adjusted (internally) to its max= imum possible headroom, or lowered to a more desense level, if needed to wo= rk just next to transmitter tower! The by default sensitivity of it is like= it was made to do so! And if you add an external antenna at it it can perf= rom most likely as a common AM radio, not that of the DXing type radios, bu= t for sure can stand as a raadio receiver that will get any decent signal i= n the area!=20 >=20=20=20 > You may have to find a radio that you could disconnect the internal rod a= ntenna of it, in case you visit a studio that its located right next to the= transmitting antenna of it. You will find that there will be a huge diferr= ence while listen with and without the rod antenna connected.=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote= : > > > >=20 > > Hello, > >=20 > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > > group. > >=20 > > File : /mp3-usa/WIRY_Beatles_-_Help_while_visiting_Wiry.mp3=20 > > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > > Description : A local aircheck of me, Bogdan, and Dan of Wiry made wh= ile visiting the station this morning, as I asked them one of my favorite r= ecords from 1965, HELP, by THE BEATLES... Sound quality is not bad at all, = it reveals the vinyl technical limitations though ! During the dueling talk= and singing before the song begins, it was perfect, though ! Recorded at W= IRY tower using the Sony CFS 6000 barefoot !=20 > >=20 > > You can access this file at the URL: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WIRY_Beatles_= -_Help_while_visiting_Wiry.mp3=20 > >=20 > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > > Regards, > >=20 > > bogdanchiochiu > > > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 03:37:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13044 invoked by uid 102); 22 Jul 2013 10:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 10:37:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26857 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2013 10:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-ip1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.167) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 10:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2013 10:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2013 10:37:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 10:37:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130721180101.M69715@igenesis.us> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.220.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.220.169 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Best AM Stereo tuner ever made {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ZxMRabVm_QHowTXSuVxnOv8SzuhcDyECHhSzTreE1hc X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Scott=20 Well I will surely love to own a Sequerra receiver! I've only see it once i= n my life when i was working at a major radio station here and the technica= l manager had one, for its own listening! Well it was the analog FM model o= f course... but it was a quite excellent piece of art! I can't afford to ow= n an HD AM model just for testing... so thta is out of question... :)=20 However if Sequerra wants to send me a demo unit that will surely make my D= ay as a full Sequerra one!=20 :)=20 Yeah... I'l keep dreaming... :(=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scottn0bst" wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:47:20 -0000, pdmtr wrote >=20 > > I don't have a FANFARE FT100 to copmare, wtih DENON, CARVER, etc, but i= n the past almost 10 years I had the luck to get my hands on too many other= radios/tuners that decode AM STEREO! Well... there is no other tuner/radio= /receiver that can give you the full meaning of what AM STEREO should be ai= red, ither than the CARVERs TX11A & B ! Even that they are not so sensitive= in the RF part, they will fullfill that by just making you to love AM STER= EO! There is not a single person that had listen AM Stereo from a CARVER tu= ner and didn't said that its incredible if that audio is from an AM station= !=20 > >=20 > > So, IMHO at least till now, there is no other AM STEREO reception devic= e that can be compared with the CARVER TX11A (and B) tuners! Pitty they hav= e stopped production of them, too many years ago!!!=20 > > >=20 > Sotiris- The earlier models of Day Sequerra HD tuners had AM stereo capab= ility.=A0 Did you ever get a chance to evaluate any of them?=A0 IIRC they w= ere expensive, but not quite as much as the Fanfare. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From acq@videotron.ca Mon Jul 22 07:27:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92449 invoked by uid 102); 22 Jul 2013 14:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 14:27:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32655 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2013 14:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.209) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 14:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.87] by ng17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2013 14:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2013 14:27:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:27:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.184 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Graveyard C-QUAM test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=kvdXi79o7RCRgleOdYKDZdiWAb0mWqvpQN5hzXOXr75bsZbNlx83UfU X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu A nice usable test for the local graveyarders like WIRY, WBLQ or WIKE that = are using C-QUAM: to play snippets of early stereo records of CLASSIC COUNT= RY or OLDIES (depending on the format) with something in the center (i.e. t= he voice), one instrument on the left side and another one on the right sid= e for a few DOZENS OF SECONDS, then MORSE CODE IDENTIFICATIONS... Those who= receive them correctly, in STEREO, would get a gorgeous QSL card and (perh= aps) and invitation to a Motorola C-QUAM promotional gathering anti-IBOC. J= ust some feed for thoughts ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: Anyone heard my WBLQ recording ? Is there any subtle stereo separatio= n at the end or is it just delusional platform motion ? How far away C-QUAM= can be decoded at night on the local channels ? Please, check out the WBLQ= Westerly to Montreal recording made during the recent power outage here in= Verdun, PQ ! I`m a stubburn mule on that issue... From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jul 22 07:52:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4551 invoked by uid 102); 22 Jul 2013 14:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 14:52:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9603 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2013 14:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vc0-f179.google.com) (209.85.220.179) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 14:52:30 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id id13so1362030vcb.38 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 07:52:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.191.72 with SMTP id gw8mr7895908vdc.114.1374504750299; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 07:52:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.0.201 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 07:52:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.0.201 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 07:52:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:52:30 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} STEREO 1230 WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=kDdAK8tP5IzFnQ3U9d3-NnucZRRqcnBUbOvdEWPXUfXAqAKZ X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable B-b-b Bennie and the Jets... Hi Bogdan, being a fan of Elton John and the Yellow Brick Road album I can tell you that there is some real separation here. Listen to the synths at around 1:24 have a little conversation with each other (probably the same synth panned left then right) Dan On Jul 21, 2013 1:37 AM, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > ** > > > Just to inform you that I posted a couple of minutes ago my best ever > capture of WBLQ Westerly, Rhode Island... I would be glad if I could > convince them in doing a DX test sometime to test even further > long-distance stereo separation on a mediumwave graveyard channel. Is it > true that the only way to decode C-QUAM from medium to large distances on > the graveyard channels is to use a FORCED STEREO receiver like the Sony C= FS > 6000 boombox or the more nasty (to me) Sony SRF A100 ? > > After some further thinking, here in Pierrefonds, around sunset and > sunrise before co-channel QRM rises, I often log WIKE 1490 (a powerhouse = in > Magog), so maybe getting stereo separation on graveyard skip is not > necessary Guiness record... I once posted a similar albeit lower quality > recording from WBLQ, but didn't received much feedback other than to writ= e > to Chris Diaspola which didn't answer to me (yet maybe). > > What is even stranger is that it is easier in Montreal to log WBLQ than > WQUN 1220 which is next to impossible even though the former Shawinigan > 1220 kHz powerhouse left that channel. Is WQUN beaming away from Montreal= ? > Thanks for any answer ! > > 73, > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan > Btw.: WBLQ even brand them selves as STEREO 1230 as you can hear in my > last recording... it is not just platform motion ! > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon Jul 22 15:01:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1935 invoked by uid 102); 22 Jul 2013 22:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 22:01:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 886 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2013 22:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng13-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.158) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2013 22:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2013 22:01:03 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2013 22:00:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:00:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.215 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: {AMSF} STEREO 1230 WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=hk6u2WBYyifqTDgpSkOjO5rKAhrU_JYHgZglaEpDk3ORTHY9oJMUSdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Wow ! Your confirmation made my day TODAY... Sounds like the same synth pan= ned left then right is already a platoform-motion-like shift. 1230 WBLQ is already a good enough catche where I live in regular AM...in S= TEREO, I don`t know of anyone besides me who get graveyarders to decode in = C-QUAM STEREO on forced stereo receivers on distances over 200 or 300 km aw= ay and Westerly is 574km from downtown Montreal. Am I alone ? I would like = to expand this STEREO 1230 WBLQ topic to include witnessing of others like = myself picking up REAL stereo separation on the graveyard channels, at nigh= t, from several hundreds of miles. Questions: what equipment do they use, s= ince how many years ago this new-old type of DXing was done, would KAHN-HAZ= ELTINE / KAHN ISB be an advantage over MOTOROLA C-QUAM for stereo separatio= n on the graveyard channels or the best system is Motorola because of the s= ignal-to-noise ratio issue as compared to monaural AM, if anyone heard C-QU= AM DX on frequencies between 1230 and 1490 kHz between 300 and 600 km away = or even further (around 300 to 400 miles)... I am not talking HI-FI STEREO,= just scattered moments of stereophonic fade-ins over the graveyard mess ve= ry close to the station identification or / and in // with the Internet web= stream - I am talking hardcore stereo DXing... After the collective obsessi= ons of multihop sporadic E FM 88-108 MHz DX, Longwave trans-Atantic DX, ult= ralights, Motorola C-QUAM in general let`s launch a column on Yahoo! for re= ports of C-QUAM reception of stations on 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450 and 1= 490 kHz... I could be the moderator, but we need more GY DX airchecks than = my lonely WBLQ capture. Sorry for being so enthousiastic, but fellow DXer Daniel Piccoli made my da= y today ! I didn`t knew it was possible, now this opens up a new area of ou= r collective hobby, for those of us with good ears, patience and with lower= Hi-Fi sensitivities in perspective ! Wow ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > B-b-b Bennie and the Jets... >=20 > Hi Bogdan, being a fan of Elton John and the Yellow Brick Road album I ca= n > tell you that there is some real separation here. >=20 > Listen to the synths at around 1:24 have a little conversation with each > other (probably the same synth panned left then right) >=20 > Dan > On Jul 21, 2013 1:37 AM, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Just to inform you that I posted a couple of minutes ago my best ever > > capture of WBLQ Westerly, Rhode Island... I would be glad if I could > > convince them in doing a DX test sometime to test even further > > long-distance stereo separation on a mediumwave graveyard channel. Is i= t > > true that the only way to decode C-QUAM from medium to large distances = on > > the graveyard channels is to use a FORCED STEREO receiver like the Sony= CFS > > 6000 boombox or the more nasty (to me) Sony SRF A100 ? > > > > After some further thinking, here in Pierrefonds, around sunset and > > sunrise before co-channel QRM rises, I often log WIKE 1490 (a powerhous= e in > > Magog), so maybe getting stereo separation on graveyard skip is not > > necessary Guiness record... I once posted a similar albeit lower qualit= y > > recording from WBLQ, but didn't received much feedback other than to wr= ite > > to Chris Diaspola which didn't answer to me (yet maybe). > > > > What is even stranger is that it is easier in Montreal to log WBLQ than > > WQUN 1220 which is next to impossible even though the former Shawinigan > > 1220 kHz powerhouse left that channel. Is WQUN beaming away from Montre= al ? > > Thanks for any answer ! > > > > 73, > > May the good DX be with you ! > > Bogdan > > Btw.: WBLQ even brand them selves as STEREO 1230 as you can hear in my > > last recording... it is not just platform motion ! > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jul 22 20:43:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85961 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 03:43:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 03:43:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24030 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 03:43:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vb0-f46.google.com) (209.85.212.46) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 03:43:26 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id w8so219169vbf.19 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 20:43:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.28.198 with SMTP id rv6mr5526221vcb.5.1374551006140; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 20:43:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.0.201 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 20:43:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:43:26 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} STEREO 1230 WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=gEYjAJ5RpNpmrMgPl5S2KaWcx57m-xKyMxK-r7cMKQ_cBqU5 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No worries Bogdan, I think the only stereo DX I have ever heard was when I was in Italy and picked up France Bleu. Not hifi but definitely stereo. I come from Perth in Australia which was once a CQUAM paradise, but by the time I bought a radio capable of decoding it, AM stereo was no more. For my AM fix, I rely on the likes of you and Kevin with your samples, and of course Jim Carlyle's wonderful station WION. They have a genuine AM stereo radio feeding their stream and they take great pride in their work: http://i1430.com/files/WIONmediaplayer128k.asx Cheers, Dan On 23 July 2013 06:00, bogdanchiochiu wrote: > ** > > > Wow ! Your confirmation made my day TODAY... Sounds like the same synth > panned left then right is already a platoform-motion-like shift. > > 1230 WBLQ is already a good enough catche where I live in regular AM...in > STEREO, I don`t know of anyone besides me who get graveyarders to decode = in > C-QUAM STEREO on forced stereo receivers on distances over 200 or 300 km > away and Westerly is 574km from downtown Montreal. Am I alone ? I would > like to expand this STEREO 1230 WBLQ topic to include witnessing of other= s > like myself picking up REAL stereo separation on the graveyard channels, = at > night, from several hundreds of miles. Questions: what equipment do they > use, since how many years ago this new-old type of DXing was done, would > KAHN-HAZELTINE / KAHN ISB be an advantage over MOTOROLA C-QUAM for stereo > separation on the graveyard channels or the best system is Motorola becau= se > of the signal-to-noise ratio issue as compared to monaural AM, if anyone > heard C-QUAM DX on frequencies between 1230 and 1490 kHz between 300 and > 600 km away or even further (around 300 to 400 miles)... I am not talking > HI-FI STEREO, just scattered moments of stereophonic fade-ins over the > graveyard mess very close to the station identification or / and in // wi= th > the Internet webstream - I am talking hardcore stereo DXing... After the > collective obsessions of multihop sporadic E FM 88-108 MHz DX, Longwave > trans-Atantic DX, ultralights, Motorola C-QUAM in general let`s launch a > column on Yahoo! for reports of C-QUAM reception of stations on 1230, 124= 0, > 1340, 1400, 1450 and 1490 kHz... I could be the moderator, but we need mo= re > GY DX airchecks than my lonely WBLQ capture. > > Sorry for being so enthousiastic, but fellow DXer Daniel Piccoli made my > day today ! I didn`t knew it was possible, now this opens up a new area o= f > our collective hobby, for those of us with good ears, patience and with > lower Hi-Fi sensitivities in perspective ! Wow ! > > > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli > wrote: > > > > B-b-b Bennie and the Jets... > > > > Hi Bogdan, being a fan of Elton John and the Yellow Brick Road album I > can > > tell you that there is some real separation here. > > > > Listen to the synths at around 1:24 have a little conversation with eac= h > > other (probably the same synth panned left then right) > > > > Dan > > On Jul 21, 2013 1:37 AM, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > Just to inform you that I posted a couple of minutes ago my best ever > > > capture of WBLQ Westerly, Rhode Island... I would be glad if I could > > > convince them in doing a DX test sometime to test even further > > > long-distance stereo separation on a mediumwave graveyard channel. Is > it > > > true that the only way to decode C-QUAM from medium to large distance= s > on > > > the graveyard channels is to use a FORCED STEREO receiver like the > Sony CFS > > > 6000 boombox or the more nasty (to me) Sony SRF A100 ? > > > > > > After some further thinking, here in Pierrefonds, around sunset and > > > sunrise before co-channel QRM rises, I often log WIKE 1490 (a > powerhouse in > > > Magog), so maybe getting stereo separation on graveyard skip is not > > > necessary Guiness record... I once posted a similar albeit lower > quality > > > recording from WBLQ, but didn't received much feedback other than to > write > > > to Chris Diaspola which didn't answer to me (yet maybe). > > > > > > What is even stranger is that it is easier in Montreal to log WBLQ th= an > > > WQUN 1220 which is next to impossible even though the former Shawinig= an > > > 1220 kHz powerhouse left that channel. Is WQUN beaming away from > Montreal ? > > > Thanks for any answer ! > > > > > > 73, > > > May the good DX be with you ! > > > Bogdan > > > Btw.: WBLQ even brand them selves as STEREO 1230 as you can hear in m= y > > > last recording... it is not just platform motion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jul 22 21:03:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5536 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 04:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 04:03:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27914 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 04:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vb0-f43.google.com) (209.85.212.43) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 04:03:16 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id e12so5159247vbg.2 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:03:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.128.71 with SMTP id nm7mr10321208veb.51.1374552196340; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:03:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.0.201 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:03:16 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: AM Stereo in Perth, Western Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=LmVaQexxe8tXRpDWPLP6SiMjXQceY35VdQo77UK4BLL14dLs X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, I thought I would report the status of AM Stereo in my hometown. Being from one of the most isolated cities in the world, Perth, I'm not in range for any AM Stereo DX. In 1989, Once upon a time, Perth probably had about 5 AM Stereo stations (all CQUAM): 6IX (6ix.com.au): Still exists. They play mainly 60s, 70s and 80s pop (Beatles, Stones, ABBA, Neil Diamond, Mamas and Papas, Queen, Bowie, Elton John, Dr Hook, Cliff Richard, Rod Stewart, Bee Gees, Joe Jackson, Michael Jackson etc.). They have gone to mono unfortunately. They simulcast on DAB+ broadcast at about 42kbps AAC+ 6PM: this was a cool station too. They had a slightly more modern stance than 6IX (Def Leppard, U2, Hoodo Gurus, Scorpions, Pretenders, Genesis, The Stranglers, Fischer-Z, Men at Work, The Church, Pearl Jam). Bought an FM license in 1990 and now play kiddie pop. (929.com.au) 6KY: a slightly more "daggy" station with a bit of a softer feel haha. Played more Bread and the like but was pretty decent. Bought an FM license in the early 90s and are regularly the top rating station.(mix.com.au) 6PR: apparently used to play music but I am too young to remember this. Now a talkback and sports station. (6pr.com.au) 6WF: this was the ABC, Australia's national broadcaster. Cricket in stereo :) No longer CQUAM. (abc.net.au/perth) Dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jul 22 21:22:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86371 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 04:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 04:22:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19444 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 04:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vb0-f52.google.com) (209.85.212.52) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 04:22:45 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f12so5200226vbg.11 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:22:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.207.195 with SMTP id ly3mr10357595vec.77.1374553364656; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.221.0.201 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:22:44 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: POLL: How would YOU use the Q? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=65wiOYbqPCuIfGfBEw6iuAy8H1LuTsBR4tSCcHCb6jkjXt66 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, as you all know, the Q stands for Quadrature, which effectively doubles our usable bandwidth for our hypothetical AM station. Which of the following would be the biggest bang for your buck for the use of the Q: a. STEREO (L-R): Good old AM Stereo that we know and love. b. The high frequency audio content (translated to baseband) that is usually filtered out due to legal requirements (7.5kHz to 15kHz). This content would then be translated back up to where it belongs) This method sacrifices stereo content but gives us full spectrum audio in less bandwidth than conventional methods. c. A redundant mono L+R so that we can average out the noise. d. Suggestions. Cheers, Dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jul 23 03:49:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87143 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 10:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 10:49:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11123 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 10:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.138) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 10:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.182] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 10:49:23 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 10:49:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:49:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.136 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: POLL: How would YOU use the Q? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=nQxI97ltWJuR7vhx4lDJxmoE1oojfm4LwUeImLR016MzmHFbiRKqKiM X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu A fat bandwitdh with soft, almost undermodulated career is sometimes a good= compromise. You have to turn up the volume higher, you use bandwitdth beyo= nd NSRC standards, but the relatively light sound would cause no damage on = adjacents. That being said, powerline noises would be 100 times more powerf= ul than the lighter modulation of the non-NSRC C-QUAM signal, so you`d have= to turn down the volume then... Just some feed for thoughts ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Dear all, >=20 > as you all know, the Q stands for Quadrature, which effectively doubles o= ur > usable bandwidth for our hypothetical AM station. Which of the following > would be the biggest bang for your buck for the use of the Q: >=20 > a. STEREO (L-R): Good old AM Stereo that we know and love. > b. The high frequency audio content (translated to baseband) that is > usually filtered out due to legal requirements (7.5kHz to 15kHz). This > content would then be translated back up to where it belongs) This method > sacrifices stereo content but gives us full spectrum audio in less > bandwidth than conventional methods. > c. A redundant mono L+R so that we can average out the noise. > d. Suggestions. >=20 > Cheers, > Dan >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jul 23 04:15:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24309 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 11:15:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 11:15:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28279 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 11:15:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.45) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 11:15:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.180] by ng7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 11:15:17 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 11:15:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:15:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.136 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: {AMSF} STEREO 1230 WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=SM5WMTaNzLhpZ9L-V7GoIf6QT31kjKq5al7EEw-tCT1RbW6xw7XgMOE X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Another AM Stereo station that, just like WION has C-QUAM-HIFI-quality-like= on their web stream (I tuned to them just for fun, but they sound better o= n the web, no fading and no QRM from more than 100 co-channel GYers) is, in= deed, http://tunein.com/radio/WBLQ-1230-s24030/. But (even though it sounds= more like a studio rather than a transmitter-to-webstream link, please, fe= el free to check out www.540wxyg.com which is the newest C-QUAM broadcaster= in the whole wide world. Also, they DO seem, though, similar to WION and W= BLQ in sound processing and much better than the clumsy WIRY streaming qual= ity (which is why I offered WBLQ a dedicated Meduci tuner - not a favorite = of mine, but OK for very local Hi-Fi Stereo listening purposes). Also, WXYG= in Minnessota is the world only 100% PROGRESSIVE ROCK & also CLASSIC ROCK = C-QUAMER. I think I slightly prefer WXYG to WIRY as a local / semi-local. J= ust some feed for thoughts... Speaking of France Bleue, I think while th opportunities of getting their C= -QUAM from here are slim, one would have a fair chance from Newfoundland wh= ere the 880 WCBS`s IBOC, 870 and of course 860 regular AM QRM is much lower= . Speaking of French radio, do you know anyone that remembers AVENTURE FM (= off-topic) ? I am also an AIRCHECKS collectioner and used to love that stat= ion, until I deleted the tape by mistake. Lots of funny stories, great musi= c that was sometimes mainstream but often underground and an extremely high= -tech jingle package. You can hear some of it on http://www.schoop.fr/fiche= radio.php?id_radio=3D176. By the way, speaking of progressive rock, les cou= ps de sirocco jingle, has some prog ELP feeling to it... It is an instrumen= tal bed with DJing and music mixes on top of it ! Anyway, I wonder if besides ITALY and FRANCE, any other countries in Europe= are using AM Stereo (even if pirates). How about the pirates ? Why the Gre= ek pirates use AM Stereo more often than the Dutch ones ? If I even have th= e chance to take a Sony CFS 6000 to Europe, I would because it covers almos= t (although not quite) the WHOLE X-Band up to just right 1680 kHz channel (= the former WTTM in Elizabeth, NJ if anyone remembers). That being said, may the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > No worries Bogdan, >=20 > I think the only stereo DX I have ever heard was when I was in Italy and > picked up France Bleu. Not hifi but definitely stereo. I come from Perth = in > Australia which was once a CQUAM paradise, but by the time I bought a rad= io > capable of decoding it, AM stereo was no more. >=20 > For my AM fix, I rely on the likes of you and Kevin with your samples, an= d > of course Jim Carlyle's wonderful station WION. They have a genuine AM > stereo radio feeding their stream and they take great pride in their work= : > http://i1430.com/files/WIONmediaplayer128k.asx >=20 > Cheers, > Dan >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 23 July 2013 06:00, bogdanchiochiu wrote: >=20 > > ** > > > > > > Wow ! Your confirmation made my day TODAY... Sounds like the same synth > > panned left then right is already a platoform-motion-like shift. > > > > 1230 WBLQ is already a good enough catche where I live in regular AM...= in > > STEREO, I don`t know of anyone besides me who get graveyarders to decod= e in > > C-QUAM STEREO on forced stereo receivers on distances over 200 or 300 k= m > > away and Westerly is 574km from downtown Montreal. Am I alone ? I would > > like to expand this STEREO 1230 WBLQ topic to include witnessing of oth= ers > > like myself picking up REAL stereo separation on the graveyard channels= , at > > night, from several hundreds of miles. Questions: what equipment do the= y > > use, since how many years ago this new-old type of DXing was done, woul= d > > KAHN-HAZELTINE / KAHN ISB be an advantage over MOTOROLA C-QUAM for ster= eo > > separation on the graveyard channels or the best system is Motorola bec= ause > > of the signal-to-noise ratio issue as compared to monaural AM, if anyon= e > > heard C-QUAM DX on frequencies between 1230 and 1490 kHz between 300 an= d > > 600 km away or even further (around 300 to 400 miles)... I am not talki= ng > > HI-FI STEREO, just scattered moments of stereophonic fade-ins over the > > graveyard mess very close to the station identification or / and in // = with > > the Internet webstream - I am talking hardcore stereo DXing... After th= e > > collective obsessions of multihop sporadic E FM 88-108 MHz DX, Longwave > > trans-Atantic DX, ultralights, Motorola C-QUAM in general let`s launch = a > > column on Yahoo! for reports of C-QUAM reception of stations on 1230, 1= 240, > > 1340, 1400, 1450 and 1490 kHz... I could be the moderator, but we need = more > > GY DX airchecks than my lonely WBLQ capture. > > > > Sorry for being so enthousiastic, but fellow DXer Daniel Piccoli made m= y > > day today ! I didn`t knew it was possible, now this opens up a new area= of > > our collective hobby, for those of us with good ears, patience and with > > lower Hi-Fi sensitivities in perspective ! Wow ! > > > > > > May the good DX be with you ! > > Bogdan Chiochiu > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli > > wrote: > > > > > > B-b-b Bennie and the Jets... > > > > > > Hi Bogdan, being a fan of Elton John and the Yellow Brick Road album = I > > can > > > tell you that there is some real separation here. > > > > > > Listen to the synths at around 1:24 have a little conversation with e= ach > > > other (probably the same synth panned left then right) > > > > > > Dan > > > On Jul 21, 2013 1:37 AM, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to inform you that I posted a couple of minutes ago my best ev= er > > > > capture of WBLQ Westerly, Rhode Island... I would be glad if I coul= d > > > > convince them in doing a DX test sometime to test even further > > > > long-distance stereo separation on a mediumwave graveyard channel. = Is > > it > > > > true that the only way to decode C-QUAM from medium to large distan= ces > > on > > > > the graveyard channels is to use a FORCED STEREO receiver like the > > Sony CFS > > > > 6000 boombox or the more nasty (to me) Sony SRF A100 ? > > > > > > > > After some further thinking, here in Pierrefonds, around sunset and > > > > sunrise before co-channel QRM rises, I often log WIKE 1490 (a > > powerhouse in > > > > Magog), so maybe getting stereo separation on graveyard skip is not > > > > necessary Guiness record... I once posted a similar albeit lower > > quality > > > > recording from WBLQ, but didn't received much feedback other than t= o > > write > > > > to Chris Diaspola which didn't answer to me (yet maybe). > > > > > > > > What is even stranger is that it is easier in Montreal to log WBLQ = than > > > > WQUN 1220 which is next to impossible even though the former Shawin= igan > > > > 1220 kHz powerhouse left that channel. Is WQUN beaming away from > > Montreal ? > > > > Thanks for any answer ! > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > May the good DX be with you ! > > > > Bogdan > > > > Btw.: WBLQ even brand them selves as STEREO 1230 as you can hear in= my > > > > last recording... it is not just platform motion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 06:01:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32273 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 13:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 13:01:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26203 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 13:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng9-ip6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.72) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 13:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.181] by ng9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 13:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 13:01:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:01:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.220.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.220.169 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: {AMSF} STEREO 1230 WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=w3JV6ZcQ0rpjyxy3wuqvtQhSVKdzpttnQktfyZC16XA X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > Anyway, I wonder if besides ITALY and FRANCE, any other countries in Euro= pe are using AM Stereo (even if pirates). How about the pirates ?=20 Why the Greek pirates use AM Stereo more often than the Dutch ones ?=20 > Bogdan Chiochiu =20 hi Bogdan=20 Well... I don't know about the Dutch pirates... but I do know why many Gree= k pirates using AM CQUAM transmitters... :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris from... GREECE ;)=20 From bhenry@saber.net Tue Jul 23 10:03:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhenry@saber.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51558 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 17:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 17:03:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27047 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 17:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.62) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 17:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.184] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 17:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 17:03:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:03:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.160.39.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.160.39.104 From: "Brian J. Henry" Subject: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode C-QUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=209959345; y=MgOYga-4U9n0D4COgX4rQ3tVunLRY-7ROopM1weve4sxtELM X-Yahoo-Profile: kllkradio Motorola specifies the 25 Hz pilot injection level to be 5% L-R modulation.= However, several posts have stated that for the HD receivers that are abl= e to decode C-QUAM to do so, they require a "robust" pilot level in order t= o do so. Has anyone quantified just how much L-R pilot injection is necessary to get= the various HD receivers to active their AM stereo mode? Brian Henry From bhenry@saber.net Tue Jul 23 10:04:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhenry@saber.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30528 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 17:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 17:04:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11087 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 17:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.214.230) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 17:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.101.139] by ng1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 17:04:57 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 17:04:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:04:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.160.39.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.160.39.104 From: "Brian J. Henry" Subject: HD Receivers that decode C-QUAM database? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=209959345; y=K-sKoEqU77LxdVMngh2_IXUlrBRYw6euO1GtZiW56goyrRJS X-Yahoo-Profile: kllkradio Has anyone compiled any sort of a database of HD receivers that are able to= decode C-QUAM AM Stereo? Brian Henry From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 10:33:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11578 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 17:33:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 17:33:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8965 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 17:33:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.162) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 17:33:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.184] by ng18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 17:33:41 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 17:33:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:33:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.61.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Timeline for Stereo to return to WSM ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=N7Fq4_CfiwK42CzXft7OwGAHMK2IJrYSmM15VGKfnUJX_zHEG6r7mDA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi, Has anyone chatted with the WSM engineer to see about when CQUAM transmissi= ons from the "Air Castle of the South" might return? Nothing beats a Saturday night Grand Old Opry program in stereo on AM650! Last heard one in 1998 - if only I could find the cassette of it now... John From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Jul 23 10:49:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17070 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 17:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 17:49:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19238 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 17:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.143.86) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 17:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8E6917000009A for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:49:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.13]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 60483E000082 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <3eee7.4ec0fa9b.3f201c45@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:49:57 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493435968:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb51eec2452a17 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Timeline for Stereo to return to WSM ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=Wkqs642vOTqR-pV_eCjjNbqkcl2Buc7BDHwE69F_beSSYms6DZnz X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I wrote to chief engineer Jason Cooper back in early July and inquired if he was still planning to upgrade WSM to AM Stereo. This time I never received a reply so don't know if he is still working on the upgrade or what his timeline is. He did write back to me last winter and said he hoped to get C-QuAM running by 2nd quarter 2013, by that I assumed he meant by June 21, 2013. He does have a C-QuAM exciter but don't know if he has it operational yet. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 7/23/2013 1:34:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: Hi, Has anyone chatted with the WSM engineer to see about when CQUAM transmissions from the "Air Castle of the South" might return? Nothing beats a Saturday night Grand Old Opry program in stereo on AM650! Last heard one in 1998 - if only I could find the cassette of it now... John From bhenry@saber.net Tue Jul 23 11:07:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhenry@saber.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40653 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 18:07:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 18:07:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11943 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 18:07:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.139) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 18:07:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.222] by ng11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 18:07:35 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 18:07:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:07:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.160.39.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.160.39.104 From: "Brian J. Henry" Subject: Re: WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=209959345; y=Qn-pGVc7liLZBlSflhFFTtxnEWZKhSjFxWGpflAP_04kcfyR X-Yahoo-Profile: kllkradio It would appear that they are using a Broadcast Electronics AM-1 transmitte= r with the internal C-QUAM AM Stereo board that was/is available optionally= . I don't see a stereo modulation monitor, but I do see a Belar AMM-3(A) m= onitor for AM envelope monitoring. I can't tell what they are using for au= dio processing, but whatever it is, it sounds good with a very noticeable s= tereo separation. I like the 1960's old Gates Criterion cart machine in th= e rack that is next to the transmitter. They were the workhorses of their = time..... Brian Henry --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > Hello ! >=20 > Please, feel free to check the WIRY transmitter into the transmitters sec= tion as well as the radios I did bring during the trip under the AM STEREO = RADIOS section... For local and STRONG semi-local listening only, the Sony = SRF A100 still has good sound and with other batteries, I noticed less trem= olo on the lower frequencies (below 1400, i.e. below WIKE-1490), so I also = did bring this otherwise overrated personal radio with me on this short tri= p. >=20 > Those are my first photos on AMSF ! >=20 > Warm greetings ! > Bogdan > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Tue Jul 23 12:14:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19490 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 19:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 19:14:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9529 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 19:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.109.201) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 19:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 577A8700000A4 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.13]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2EF1CE000088 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <41618.2988a2c9.3f20302f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:417770432:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca51eed63075fc X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Receivers that decode C-QUAM database? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=auc9JNaQggKQ1SsoobRxO8p8EYsVdatMU52yAR2ipp4ujbEf2ASP X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 I wonder if any new AM HD receivers still being made these days? Even a high quality HD AM tuner like the Sangean HDT-1X has been discontinued. The HDT-1X I have won't decode a Chris Cuff C-QuAM transmitter sitting in the same room. AM HD radio is practically dead these days, which is a good thing. I think it would be a waste of time to pursue any HD AM radio that has C-QuAM added as an afterthought. One's time would be much better spent looking for one of the popular well-known vintage AM Stereo tuners like a Carver TX-11A/11B, a Denon TU-680NAB, a Realistic TM-152 or one of the popular AM Stereo car radios that are known to do a good job on AM Stereo. Ebay is a good resource. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 7/23/2013 1:05:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bhenry@saber.net writes: Has anyone compiled any sort of a database of HD receivers that are able to decode C-QUAM AM Stereo? Brian Henry From dcflux@gmail.com Tue Jul 23 14:36:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dcflux@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59797 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 21:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 21:36:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7371 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 21:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.214.210) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 21:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.101.138] by ng20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 21:36:41 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.43] by tg8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 21:36:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:36:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 199.104.207.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.104.207.2 From: "Matt" Subject: Re: KYUT 1160 Arizona X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=207784924; y=HCmeL3q5u0Z7IPs2g05mrdg1BK8N3ZtZtAu3RlgxlON7 X-Yahoo-Profile: dcflux I think you are referring to our station which is KYET-AM on 1170 kHz We run the classic country format and occasionally they will throw in some = 70s classics that have really good separation. Stuff like Gordon Lightfoot = and Juice Newton. We also have QSL cards printed if you will send a SASE with your signal rep= ort. KYET-AM 812 E. Beale St. Kingman, AZ 86401 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > Warm greetings ! >=20 > Two questions this time around... I`ll start with the first topic... Is C= LASSIC COUNTRY (c.f. mid 70s, 80s, early 90s et al) and bluegrass often rec= orded in stereo or is this a rarity ? I listen sometimes to the Classic Cou= ntry Greats radio show which is also broadcasted each SATURDAY MORNING on H= ometown Radio Stereo 1340 WIRY and I seldom hear really good separation but= I do hear some, so I just wonder if it is BETTER than New Country. DO you = believe in the past COUNTRY ARTISTS like JOHNNY CASH or ALAN JACKSON took t= he time to record their voice in one channel and the instruments into a dif= ferent one or is this something relatively new and not yet fully developped= in the country music industry ? Just some feeds for thoughts ! >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu, on his 26th birthday today > From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jul 23 16:56:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58684 invoked by uid 102); 23 Jul 2013 23:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 23:56:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5823 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2013 23:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng7-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.214.167) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2013 23:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.101.140] by ng7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 23:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.42] by tg10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2013 23:56:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 23:56:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.180 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=Nxr2ODFww7QX0n9TjoodF5BkDaWDAe8eSE8Rb62RFufPDz3_DOtJcQk X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu You are right perhaps... They might have had the same tx for decades and on= ly added C-QUAM back in 1996 according to Roy, their Chief Engineer, a high= ly entertaining and wise dude ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J. Henry" wrote: > > It would appear that they are using a Broadcast Electronics AM-1 transmit= ter with the internal C-QUAM AM Stereo board that was/is available optional= ly. I don't see a stereo modulation monitor, but I do see a Belar AMM-3(A)= monitor for AM envelope monitoring. I can't tell what they are using for = audio processing, but whatever it is, it sounds good with a very noticeable= stereo separation. I like the 1960's old Gates Criterion cart machine in = the rack that is next to the transmitter. They were the workhorses of thei= r time..... >=20 > Brian Henry >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bogdanchiochiu" wrote: > > > > Hello ! > >=20 > > Please, feel free to check the WIRY transmitter into the transmitters s= ection as well as the radios I did bring during the trip under the AM STERE= O RADIOS section... For local and STRONG semi-local listening only, the Son= y SRF A100 still has good sound and with other batteries, I noticed less tr= emolo on the lower frequencies (below 1400, i.e. below WIKE-1490), so I als= o did bring this otherwise overrated personal radio with me on this short t= rip. > >=20 > > Those are my first photos on AMSF ! > >=20 > > Warm greetings ! > > Bogdan > > > From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jul 23 17:11:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80971 invoked by uid 102); 24 Jul 2013 00:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2013 00:11:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14608 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2013 00:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.138) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2013 00:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 00:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 00:11:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 00:11:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3eee7.4ec0fa9b.3f201c45@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.127.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.127.180 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Timeline for Stereo to return to WSM ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=gUtlfbVfWPPZjhRkZg7n81uClCl_M92Q2Bvm4HA1_pUXk9SfGdwGvdg X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu It would make for a nice sample of KEYT 1170 AND it will make some competit= ion to CFCO, WIRY and WBLQ which are the only three more or less audible C-= QUAM music stations here. Is the Saturday night Gran Olpry show on AM650 Classic Country, Moder Count= ry, western or bluegrass ? I never heard it before...so curiosity enquires = ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > I wrote to chief engineer Jason Cooper back in early July and inquired if= =20=20 > he was still > planning to upgrade WSM to AM Stereo. This time I never received a reply = so=20 > don't > know if he is still working on the upgrade or what his timeline is. He d= id=20 > write back to > me last winter and said he hoped to get C-QuAM running by 2nd quarter = =20 > 2013, by that I > assumed he meant by June 21, 2013. He does have a C-QuAM exciter but don'= t=20=20 > know=20 > if he has it operational yet. > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > In a message dated 7/23/2013 1:34:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20=20 > toledohamradio@... writes: >=20 > Hi, > Has anyone chatted with the WSM engineer to see about when CQUAM=20=20 > transmissions from the "Air Castle of the South" might return? > Nothing beats a Saturday night Grand Old Opry program in stereo on AM650= ! > Last heard one in 1998 - if only I could find the cassette of it now... > John > From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Jul 24 12:51:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44734 invoked by uid 102); 24 Jul 2013 19:51:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2013 19:51:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12411 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2013 19:51:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng4-ip9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.25) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2013 19:51:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 19:51:38 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 19:51:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:51:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41618.2988a2c9.3f20302f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 4.53.139.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 4.53.139.138 From: "tom_richard1980" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Receivers that decode C-QUAM database? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=6Iap1jp9AurrVfG5V0tAX9sPsp1WQvtxu5rawMgNaQ3xM0xdxWBxi0it X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I still have those two tuners you mentioned. I use the Denon TU-680 NAB, th= e irony being that the FM doesn't work (I posted a while ago about what I h= ad to go through fixing it. They offered to replace it but it was a tuner = that didn't have AM-Stereo, so I kept it and they refunded me some money). = I bought an HD AM-FM tuner that Radio Shack was clearing-out for $50.00. = It works great but I can use it, or my receiver for the FM now. Who listen= s to FM anyway?? Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > I wonder if any new AM HD receivers still being made these days? Even a= =20 > high quality HD AM > tuner like the Sangean HDT-1X has been discontinued. The HDT-1X I have = =20 > won't decode > a Chris Cuff C-QuAM transmitter sitting in the same room. AM HD radio is = =20 > practically > dead these days, which is a good thing. >=20=20 > I think it would be a waste of time to pursue any HD AM radio that has = =20 > C-QuAM added=20 > as an afterthought. One's time would be much better spent looking for on= e=20 > of the popular > well-known vintage AM Stereo tuners like a Carver TX-11A/11B, a Denon = =20 > TU-680NAB,=20 > a Realistic TM-152 or one of the popular AM Stereo car radios that are = =20 > known to do a > good job on AM Stereo. Ebay is a good resource. >=20=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 24 13:08:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66237 invoked by uid 102); 24 Jul 2013 20:08:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2013 20:08:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16621 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2013 20:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm19-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (216.39.63.17) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2013 20:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 20:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.243] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 20:08:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 20:08:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 871886.79023.bm@smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: j75ZML8VM1ndzz0dFZbRuPx7NZSQA8wH0jWrDlS3h1ECcQX 4cmeoEr001y2ITamywWpe3GNEl59No8aOdVzWGyPUMtuoYFpjo4Iz25wga_V Oq4UPiJXup.nbrHBZFazXodbhvHA0XJ59d5ETzKPZIFH2xicizMPPJmMwcty L0hjIgRNXNm5yMxaxou.UOE9iR_UK.fT2eueCB2IFEcXawYYB.qSWcsMShVf h7umuEgKWmhctkshs53EkZARvbJUuRdL7Z6G.y7ZWQvpI6fGXFsFkK.m7t38 Xyq2djnN2vD5g9vQpbiXUXrhlyX3TBWQAlJXNm0qPR3mgOlVhz2rXk.Wqw9. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=dqHQw79uAM-iDYimIzizFsd_hjfiTZJYynzoVI0K_fApHxrwLl9p2DMgUdTWqb-qctiy_BnV X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom Was the HD Radio you bought from Radio Shack called Auvio AM FM HD Radio home tuner?That one dose'nt decode C-QuAM. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: tom_richard1980 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 12:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Receivers that decode C-QUAM database? I still have those two tuners you mentioned. I use the Denon TU-680 NAB, the irony being that the FM doesn't work (I posted a while ago about what I had to go through fixing it. They offered to replace it but it was a tuner that didn't have AM-Stereo, so I kept it and they refunded me some money). I bought an HD AM-FM tuner that Radio Shack was clearing-out for $50.00. It works great but I can use it, or my receiver for the FM now. Who listens to FM anyway?? Tom --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > I wonder if any new AM HD receivers still being made these days? Even a > high quality HD AM > tuner like the Sangean HDT-1X has been discontinued. The HDT-1X I have > won't decode > a Chris Cuff C-QuAM transmitter sitting in the same room. AM HD radio is > practically > dead these days, which is a good thing. > > I think it would be a waste of time to pursue any HD AM radio that has > C-QuAM added > as an afterthought. One's time would be much better spent looking for one > of the popular > well-known vintage AM Stereo tuners like a Carver TX-11A/11B, a Denon > TU-680NAB, > a Realistic TM-152 or one of the popular AM Stereo car radios that are > known to do a > good job on AM Stereo. Ebay is a good resource. > > 73 - Todd WD4NGG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jul 24 13:22:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13179 invoked by uid 102); 24 Jul 2013 20:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2013 20:22:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9862 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2013 20:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng23-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (66.196.80.37) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2013 20:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 20:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 20:22:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 20:22:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 181.163.171.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 181.163.171.9 From: "Jota" Subject: Digital AM IBOC RadioWorld Magazine Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ah1xwVMUgvGzrHCyTSNPU9on6aJEhACSkxGOmA0JUe25eFLVuA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I copied and pasted the last RadioWorld Magazine article about Digital AM. = I just hope your comments: --------------------------------------------------------------- All-Digital AM? Check the Math=20=20 by Jerry Arnold=20 on 07.17.2013 The author is a recently retired broadcast engineer in Terre Haute, Ind.=20 Regarding the article "All-Digital AM Signal Called `Solid' in Testing" (Ma= y 8):=20 When IBOC was just a fancy laboratory test, I stated that I saw a day when = the digital-at-all-cost boys would make an attempt to force this digi-disas= ter on AM broadcasters.=20 They were successful in getting the FCC to allow broadcasters to use IBOC v= oluntarily at night. We saw what an utter failure it was, due to skywave in= terference and other reasons, so much so that many large-city AM powerhouse= s refused to use it at night or abandoned it altogether, such as Chicago's = WLS did.=20 Instead of admitting it was a failure, what did the folks at iBiquity and t= heir financial partners CBS do? They claimed it was due to "not enough inje= ction." This, after assuring us that this was the fix-all to every problem = AM broadcasters had!=20 One letter went as far as scolding those of us who had solid engineering re= asons why IBOC wouldn't work, especially at night, that "any AMer who had a= 100-watt nighttime authorization ought to be all over IBOC."=20 I made an editorial reply to this statement, using (dare I say?) engineerin= g mathematics to prove my point using the writer's own 100 watts of carrier= power. Due to the "sort of" forward error correction format that IBOC empl= oys from the lower to the upper sideband, the amount of IBOC transmitted wi= th their then-standard injection amounted to a few milliwatts, which even i= n a laboratory environment would not give reliable coverage more than a few= hundred yards from the antenna.=20 So now I learn that the boys are giddy about allegedly having a "solid" all= -digital signal from a 10 kW transmitter on daytime at a distance of 13 mil= es =97 approximately 21 kilometers. Maybe I am again missing something, but= assuming a quarter-wave antenna over average soil, 1 kW would produce a fi= eld intensity of 305.768 mV/m at 1 kilometer =97 10 kW (the power given in = the article) would therefore produce in the same antenna a field intensity = of 966.023 mV/m.=20 I took the liberty of rounding the 20.9 kilometers (13 miles) referenced in= the article to 20 kilometers, about a 4 percent change in their favor.=20 Using a frequency of 1 MHz, and assuming a good ground conductivity of 6 mS= /m over the 20 kilometers, the resultant field intensity would be a robust = 19.338 mV/m.=20 Why all the math?=20 Well, even the poorest quality Radio Shack transistor radio you can buy wil= l clearly receive a 2 mV/m signal. What all this means is the digi boys are= once again whooping it up for a modulation scheme that still requires 19.7= dB more signal to provide intelligible audio at the same distance.=20 And this with a 100 percent digital signal =97 no 5 kHz AM bandwidth left t= o "blame" for IBOC's dismal showing. To put it another way: Without changin= g AM power levels, each station forced to go to an all-digital modulation w= ill substantially lose coverage.=20 Was I prophetic when I predicted that there would be some who would begin t= o demand the FCC mandate this? Perhaps. Perhaps not. All I know is that the= term "AM sunset" is particularly applicable if an all-digital modulation i= s mandated.=20 Comment on this or any story. Post below or email radioworld@nbmedia.com. -------------------------------------------------------------- Long life to the analog AM!!! God bless you all!!!!!!! Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. 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File : /mp3-intl/CFCO - Thats my story.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : CFCO received by skywave in Verdun, Montreal, Quebec, Canada on the Sony SRF A1 walkman with the PK passive loop signal booster brought from Australia - this aircheck was recorded a few weeks ago You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-intl/CFCO%20-%20Thats%20my%20story.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Jul 24 14:50:30 2013 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60397 invoked by uid 102); 24 Jul 2013 21:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2013 21:50:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 26126 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2013 21:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.76) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2013 21:50:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1374702630; bh=Acdr3NoV6EBTgS9v1cYD9MxOBezmNLdkpl7Y3X91EzU=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X5A8SOajXmLA0qiWkLitJ9vUl+YBVdlAJqBp+a343ocM4XwtsXgcRGS+nSgoN9xMqKQXf6pdSkcaQLrWJM2y2kR1qN1MZ/cPMq9MrO5o9xQDWKrhiALQgAIuUYCN8Ljl9I5GtX0035yukV+l8pWZLADD4Bam+NT23520uFJ8FEg= Received: from [66.196.81.181] by ng5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 21:50:30 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2013 21:50:30 -0000 Date: 24 Jul 2013 21:50:28 -0000 Message-ID: <1374702628.13101.39379.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /mp3-intl/CFCO630AMStereoSonySRFA1Sunrise_in_Montreal.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Local-like at tune-in, then slowly fading out during this aircheck that shows the peak of my best CFCO 630 capture from all my QTHs cumulated... Heard on the Sony SRF A1 with Australian PK loop standing by ! The only Canadian left in C-QUAM stereo on the good old mediumwave broadcast band. Sad, although CFCO plays some decent country and has less challenging stereo separation than WBLQ which is the only other late night skywave C-QUAM DX available to us in the Montreal area ! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-intl/CFCO630AMStereoSonySRFA1Sunrise_in_Montreal.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Wed Jul 24 17:32:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47833 invoked by uid 102); 25 Jul 2013 00:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2013 00:32:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32588 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2013 00:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-ip9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.125) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2013 00:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 00:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 00:32:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 00:32:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.171 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Re: Digital AM IBOC RadioWorld Magazine Article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=FuzEDQvjty_jKXhu59dTyi77lIgoWCzLt57fXAzNtGNYeXgQUShPpHc X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Warm greetings ! I don`t understand why IBOC was even choosen for both AM and FM other than = mask potential nighttime and tropo or semi-local interference on AM or FM..= .so for economic reason. This is also why must of us find it difficult to g= et a decent bandwidth IBOC receiver to decode C-QUAM... Just some feed for = thoughts !... Bogdan Chiochiu --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jota" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I copied and pasted the last RadioWorld Magazine article about Digital AM= . I just hope your comments: >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > All-Digital AM? Check the Math=20=20 > by Jerry Arnold=20 > on 07.17.2013 >=20 >=20 > The author is a recently retired broadcast engineer in Terre Haute, Ind.= =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Regarding the article "All-Digital AM Signal Called `Solid' in Testing" (= May 8):=20 >=20 > When IBOC was just a fancy laboratory test, I stated that I saw a day whe= n the digital-at-all-cost boys would make an attempt to force this digi-dis= aster on AM broadcasters.=20 >=20 > They were successful in getting the FCC to allow broadcasters to use IBOC= voluntarily at night. We saw what an utter failure it was, due to skywave = interference and other reasons, so much so that many large-city AM powerhou= ses refused to use it at night or abandoned it altogether, such as Chicago'= s WLS did.=20 >=20 > Instead of admitting it was a failure, what did the folks at iBiquity and= their financial partners CBS do? They claimed it was due to "not enough in= jection." This, after assuring us that this was the fix-all to every proble= m AM broadcasters had!=20 >=20 > One letter went as far as scolding those of us who had solid engineering = reasons why IBOC wouldn't work, especially at night, that "any AMer who had= a 100-watt nighttime authorization ought to be all over IBOC."=20 >=20 > I made an editorial reply to this statement, using (dare I say?) engineer= ing mathematics to prove my point using the writer's own 100 watts of carri= er power. Due to the "sort of" forward error correction format that IBOC em= ploys from the lower to the upper sideband, the amount of IBOC transmitted = with their then-standard injection amounted to a few milliwatts, which even= in a laboratory environment would not give reliable coverage more than a f= ew hundred yards from the antenna.=20 >=20 > So now I learn that the boys are giddy about allegedly having a "solid" a= ll-digital signal from a 10 kW transmitter on daytime at a distance of 13 m= iles =97 approximately 21 kilometers. Maybe I am again missing something, b= ut assuming a quarter-wave antenna over average soil, 1 kW would produce a = field intensity of 305.768 mV/m at 1 kilometer =97 10 kW (the power given i= n the article) would therefore produce in the same antenna a field intensit= y of 966.023 mV/m.=20 >=20 > I took the liberty of rounding the 20.9 kilometers (13 miles) referenced = in the article to 20 kilometers, about a 4 percent change in their favor.=20 >=20 > Using a frequency of 1 MHz, and assuming a good ground conductivity of 6 = mS/m over the 20 kilometers, the resultant field intensity would be a robus= t 19.338 mV/m.=20 >=20 > Why all the math?=20 >=20 > Well, even the poorest quality Radio Shack transistor radio you can buy w= ill clearly receive a 2 mV/m signal. What all this means is the digi boys a= re once again whooping it up for a modulation scheme that still requires 19= .7 dB more signal to provide intelligible audio at the same distance.=20 >=20 > And this with a 100 percent digital signal =97 no 5 kHz AM bandwidth left= to "blame" for IBOC's dismal showing. To put it another way: Without chang= ing AM power levels, each station forced to go to an all-digital modulation= will substantially lose coverage.=20 >=20 > Was I prophetic when I predicted that there would be some who would begin= to demand the FCC mandate this? Perhaps. Perhaps not. All I know is that t= he term "AM sunset" is particularly applicable if an all-digital modulation= is mandated.=20 >=20 > Comment on this or any story. Post below or email radioworld@... >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Long life to the analog AM!!! >=20 > God bless you all!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of hope and love. > From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Thu Jul 25 03:52:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91140 invoked by uid 102); 25 Jul 2013 10:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2013 10:52:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16286 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2013 10:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.212.155) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2013 10:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 10:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.217] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 10:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2013 10:52:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 729410.36350.bm@omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 4496 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2013 10:52:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uwA2ZWsVM1kHpHoLIyaAV1eCP4tXyrHZ9Fn39J8j7LH2Wi6 2oRXtTwWAvlfZxeiUCnFpRu9LUfXekXKXKrRsxA5f41GwV80zB1A1Jya3AjB mMZDMsVy8ea46k2q._cEUxxuGg6RJkJpuwdg9JbG7uYWEg0W0J9FFQnJWVyp xc08.SQP0Br5uX5hTLnBnIzczakA74mu42drZQhdkFis0DTXV9zpwHoJovX8 F5nYUVMsXQx4QSP9oWYc62n7Gnf8_EwAoAXajAZmqyYHJmb.qC51d1FuUPZ3 ZSxMpFMKef7_zXK6MdiG5WqPi1fE8SvVPp0NdXbV7mmg8t0cC.p4TBwHp0Va NJISx461DHLDgrzo6c5eyvo_h8KmTlu3Cqo.kA3lCRwVH3OgS3zwv4lk09sH mcgnStVPWPJFpnC_8YgYHQBH7t5Yf_IFQV9IMxN8Wlg9hbRh4tV5rIDI8Rx9 uMbreKliVvLBgpVvmsVsNwKR788smN4sjXq1qWjl1V2awvYIOk77Ku5A8uOS eOd8_N1OqTXmasMSGXH_I1XWCBaeh7Xymjr7tlZKJV67kwT.NovK6rllaNhX v1gsp.hfO1ksdEUuFBeplf80FAEbE_fGCBWcxWQmYpyq0DmNwHGjE5CT3Ein YomP.d7t0RJzByySDOWHkkoz1bwSY_CFOOTt3pCZMfNa3GMTJQXUAKXQO9kO P_LAoNXxVz2.djK_od0ik0OOPWfCZIOi_K4DXdCw4QQ_._eU3oBzNcfuSZTx 555I4_bLuIJxyb5dWeSF8utkjhWNRKROcpZoOlnufPZIfRtvT12XR1UOLMm8 6y.dMv_b3QFfsJmqY.B6ruWa._Au..mvszIPL_64HuydMdxKVGq_JhCEtgvt KXDMow.iyaHEaHe6ZT_kzoFi4KNWVz_NlTy7nid7C3..NIu7uSU9bYn96aSc yMXumNbBf6B.l7gKq82CqiPvIgn8inhuHPhGhyFLAU3Tbsem7cdWQR_zE2Ys B7QuaylCL1J2V.o_Q2U2PVpw6kCrOk58nmuubY8R2 X-Received: from [177.96.253.190] by web142306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 03:52:58 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,Z29vZC4KCk5ldG8gU2lsdmEKQnJhc2lsaWEgREYKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBEZTogImFtc3RlcmVvZm9ydW1AeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tIiA8YW1zdGVyZW9mb3J1bUB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20.ClBhcmE6IGFtc3RlcmVvZm9ydW1AeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tIApFbnZpYWRhczogUXVhcnRhLWZlaXJhLCAyNCBkZSBKdWxobyBkZSAyMDEzIDE3OjMzCkFzc3VudG86IHtBTVNGfSBOZXcgZmlsZSB1cGxvYWRlZCB0byBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtCiAKCgpIZWxsbywKClRoaXMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.150.561 References: <1374698018.12708.21768.w1@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <1374749578.79235.YahooMailNeo@web142306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 03:52:58 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <1374698018.12708.21768.w1@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=uxLi9IPS3c40vy3W2cSfGNbrUf8epLSMmFbmNz4losS6T1a_ X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable good. Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 24 de Julho de 2013 17:33 Assunto: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 group. =A0 File=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : /mp3-usa/WBLQ_heard_in_the_Montreal_area_on_the_S= ony_SRF_A1.wav=20 =A0 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 =A0 Description : Browsing through the airchecks stored into the memory of = my Sony IC recorder, I found that one... Recorded using the Sony SRF A1 AM = Stereo-FM Stereo multisystem walkman set to AM Stereo mode and the PK loop = standing by. The PK loop is a passive antenna so it doesn`t need to be conn= ected, like on communication receivers... I hear the funky guitar, voice an= d synthesizers dueling clearly between the L and the R sides during the beg= inning of this record.. Anyone else hearing GY DX besides me ?=20 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WBLQ_heard_in_the= _Montreal_area_on_the_Sony_SRF_A1.wav=20 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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File : /mp3-usa/WINY_-_MJ_-_Wanna_Be_Starting_Something.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : WINY 1350 AM Stereo in Putnam, CT (5 kW daytime / 79 w nighttime) as received in Verdun, Montreal, Quebec, Canada at sunset July 25, 1955 EDT with the Sony CFS 6000 boombox in AM NORMAL (narrower) mode and the PK AM loop to boost this skywave C-QUAMer and to avoid 1360 QRM ! Listen carefully for dueling funky synths LEFT and RIGHT, horns on the RIGHT side AND the voice of Michale Jackson in the center. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/mp3-usa/WINY_-_MJ_-_Wanna_Be_Starting_Something.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, bogdanchiochiu From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Fri Jul 26 16:38:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19146 invoked by uid 102); 26 Jul 2013 23:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2013 23:38:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14757 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2013 23:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2013 23:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288A8118449 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:38:14 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:38:14 -0500 Message-Id: <20130726233533.M46326@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: 288A8118449.AD756 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} STEREO 1230 WBLQ {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=G2afhJlXyTyF2Dua84-6UBaTchUPcx2YGfqWltkry5re98ZoUEa6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:15:17 -0000, bogdanchiochiu wrote > =A0 >=20 > Another AM Stereo station that, just like WION has C-QUAM-HIFI-quality-li= ke on their web stream (I tuned to them just for fun, but they sound better= on the web, no fading and no QRM from more than 100 co-channel GYers) is, = indeed, http://tunein.com/radio/WBLQ-1230-s24030/. But (even though it soun= ds more like a studio rather than a transmitter-to-webstream link, please, = feel free to check out www.540wxyg.com which is the newest C-QUAM broadcast= er in the whole wide world. Also, they DO seem, though, similar to WION and= WBLQ in sound processing and much better than the clumsy WIRY streaming qu= ality (which is why I offered WBLQ a dedicated Meduci tuner - not a favorit= e of mine, but OK for very local Hi-Fi Stereo listening purposes). Also, WX= YG in Minnessota is the world only 100% PROGRESSIVE ROCK & also CLASSIC ROC= K C-QUAMER. I think I slightly prefer WXYG to WIRY as a local / semi-local.= Just some feed for thoughts... The pilot may be on but WXYG is NOT transmitting any stereo audio, at least= not yet.=A0 Their stream must be straight from their studio or automation.= =A0 I would have stopped there on my way home today, but it was during lunc= h time when I was going through St. Cloud and figured the person I'd need t= o talk to probably wouldn't be there. Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sat Aug 03 03:53:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47423 invoked by uid 102); 3 Aug 2013 10:53:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2013 10:53:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32119 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2013 10:53:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.77) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2013 10:53:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2013 10:53:24 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2013 10:53:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:53:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.49 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Graveyard stereo C-QUAM update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=uq_sVzSZXiyGCfgM7L_9vpIwEXBrkmtaBl-oVEShHKxZjBVNm-AkcJo X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu After having stuck by a sporadic outburst of off-season flu (still present,= by the way) and other radio related duties, I was back on track early this= morning with several stereo fade-ups of WBLQ Westerly, Rhode Island. This = is one of the newest C-QUAM broadcaster in the USA, having started in 2009 = only as WXNI then, a few weeks later, switching to the call letters of WBLQ= ... It is always nice to hear their almost Classic Hits late night format i= n the mush with occasional stereo separation as the other 1230 kHz occupant= s weakened in strength. I`ve launched a topic here about two weeks ago if a= nyone else within a few hundred miles from a graveyard channel C-QUAM outle= t ever got significant stereo separation... Well, this time around I got so= mething at least as useful as the Elton John B-b-b-bennie and the jets, the= song Rock the Boat by Hughes Corporation from 1974... I have the feeling t= he bass is mostly in one speaker only. It stayed STEREO for over two minute= s which is something ! I am gonna post a clip of it as soon as possible. Speaking of 1230, I incidentally tried for WNNC in North Carolina, though I= have the feeling without a good aurora, it would be next to impossible to = get. It is listed on the MEDUCI website as being in C-QUAM STEREO ! warm greetings, Bogdan From cozy659@yahoo.com Sat Aug 03 23:06:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: cozy659@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17587 invoked by uid 102); 4 Aug 2013 06:06:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2013 06:06:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2778 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2013 06:06:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm25-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.213) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2013 06:06:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2013 06:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.9] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2013 06:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2013 06:06:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 825817.81892.bm@omp1009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 60515 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2013 06:06:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3AnmDKIVM1mvOUAm2dy8V8cY55LACYO2I5hLCgvwG2BO8vo PQemU5jqnfe.XHsjw16dJjbZrY_J.dNEGRzOuA_s3DjZQHn9wHvTTc2jULrd DqfvRHqerJDhGNSl.lKsceA24n8YoQH_1cNMIY2ZPXBpGhXnjMZo0a.gI2EU ieLJ7dLBp2QzjGJkPrrjE2AsO2a1Ez2zsvJApiSeCeF6IF4mWiH7nwOEMvbk wRVoYov4Fronm5j8PwM9cKqmZ5JB0ZdZ4551Mc2ZQaFZlGzpWpguMYpnY3CE eQ7jt2kEq8cKl9JmU4Z9IUaTTXUnYlgkWeRaRkhGjVWJ7nlpJzfVHzeNKc8k opCUWaFUxIaLSSJnIWi29yO.r_w51xIjR9qCzOcW6YreTCAByg90CEQ7kwbY LDpoXIE9wEsAwuo9hxs45IT3A7gvGyO30zD1WogvXvZU7KqCwsRVwrRnnPtr reUajAdSBJ76gDr5wiH0BZHzvaGu3EkZcv6hrftT8MesnXOX67GnqtnvKhzo PNUxnkPxaXNzv6GAXZXjgu1LFmdb5K8NiJVSZSIHVMEbks6LjqBKM40Ir7yz m9Pn2mxRfIhIik2fo7C9NIoJ7e1cEdOhlYCVQEDukACrxPhxyM9kmF66gjip WK403BAXBqA6iByIGo8hncoudOy3dYtlnKxZplhhZ_PmLVxRg.OlWTPx1LKO 5M9ywY_0mIh08WoDHEnlTC_rTR2ZoygiQJUDKO6WSb54kL0bQAVW2lCv2giB 9NM1tpJE_Urr_h75fkVT2OKahDv.nansSy6LhJfSXmZ5hjfvyj50Fni4zBl4 JHitoi2P2JXor0P0Qypm4JHl.xsyc7HgB72Xd81qDXVY8M_e27xxDobOFMYA c.DH_7tQPtSwsNn.1TI7oogG1gpNZfTPPuAsw4bgJXuaPiHZUViwX5wRLWLB mGPvut5Cqdw-- X-Received: from [74.105.77.240] by web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 23:06:43 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,V0hXSCAxMzUwIEtoeiBQcmluY2V0b24sTkogaXMgQy1xdWFtIHN0ZXJlbyAyNC83CsKgQmVlbiB0aGlzIHdheSBmb3IgwqB5ZWFyc.KApuKApuKApkVuam954oCmCk5lYWwtQ0UKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogYm9nZGFuY2hpb2NoaXUgPGFjcUB2aWRlb3Ryb24uY2E.ClRvOiBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSAKU2VudDogU2F0dXJkYXksIEF1Z3VzdCAzLCAyMDEzIDY6NTMgQU0KU3ViamVjdDoge0FNU0Z9IEdyYXZleWFyZCBzdGVyZW8gQy1RVUEBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.152.567 References: Message-ID: <1375596403.60489.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 23:06:43 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Reply-To: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Graveyard stereo C-QUAM update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66339130; y=yqf73MTdxquLWdx_gj_mpWoMygrN0yenCXYP5MR0ojP64Q X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WHWH 1350 Khz Princeton,NJ is C-quam stereo 24/7 =C2=A0Been this way for =C2=A0years=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6Enjoy=E2=80= =A6 Neal-CE ________________________________ From: bogdanchiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: {AMSF} Graveyard stereo C-QUAM update =20 After having stuck by a sporadic outburst of off-season flu (still present,= by the way) and other radio related duties, I was back on track early this= morning with several stereo fade-ups of WBLQ Westerly, Rhode Island. This = is one of the newest C-QUAM broadcaster in the USA, having started in 2009 = only as WXNI then, a few weeks later, switching to the call letters of WBLQ= ... It is always nice to hear their almost Classic Hits late night format i= n the mush with occasional stereo separation as the other 1230 kHz occupant= s weakened in strength. I`ve launched a topic here about two weeks ago if a= nyone else within a few hundred miles from a graveyard channel C-QUAM outle= t ever got significant stereo separation... Well, this time around I got so= mething at least as useful as the Elton John B-b-b-bennie and the jets, the= song Rock the Boat by Hughes Corporation from 1974... I have the feeling t= he bass is mostly in one speaker only. It stayed STEREO for over two minutes which is something ! I am gonna post a clip of it as soon as possi= ble. Speaking of 1230, I incidentally tried for WNNC in North Carolina, though I= have the feeling without a good aurora, it would be next to impossible to = get. It is listed on the MEDUCI website as being in C-QUAM STEREO ! warm greetings, Bogdan ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 04 10:04:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82513 invoked by uid 102); 4 Aug 2013 17:04:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2013 17:04:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5343 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2013 17:04:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.59) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2013 17:04:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.81] by ng5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2013 17:04:45 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2013 17:04:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:04:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 72.240.109.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.109.54 From: "Sam Quantum Leap" Subject: Sony ST-JX220 Tuner ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=EIhYAiVMR03gdm3s0CtVfh-hZFw1A_BmbvNY1AMkAaRN8PAQB4lOyiA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I bought an ST-JX220 tuner, hoping it was mis-marked and had CQUAM, but it = does not; it does however have some sort of PLL tuning that seems pretty de= cent, as well as an audio bandwidth that I'd estimate about 6KHz, so it pro= bably needs a wider IF filter installed to get AMAX quality. Anybody know if these have a simple addition of parts for CQUAM or a whole = different board? It does appear however that the audio takes only an AM input and a single F= M composite then decodes the FM stereo, so mods would be required to add a = CQUAM board and get the stereo audio to the jacks. Anyone interested in the tuner should I decide to 'eBay it'? Thanks, John From sillett@yahoo.com Wed Aug 07 19:52:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: sillett@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77425 invoked by uid 102); 8 Aug 2013 02:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2013 02:52:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30174 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2013 02:52:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng21-vm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.87.104) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2013 02:52:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.223] by ng21.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 02:52:49 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 02:52:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 02:52:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 65.32.224.12 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.32.224.12 From: "sillett" Subject: Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode C-QUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82672147; y=08kxWwx5H6213VzrkaahQJT0-qoNO73ubIxEkjsa1T__UQ X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used a Panasonic VP-8282P AM Stereo signal generator to send a C-QUAM signal to both an Accurian HD Radio and a Boston Receptor Radio HD. I used Pink Floyd's "Money" as a test. I could not get either HD radio to kick into C-QUAM stereo. I know that, at some point, the Accurian HD radio stopped supporting C-QUAM; however, my is dated 09A06, which is believe is before the cutoff. I verified that I was indeed outputting C-QUAM with my Realistic TM-152 AM Stereo receiver. The pilot light lit up and I heard the song go from left to right and back. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J. Henry" wrote: > > Motorola specifies the 25 Hz pilot injection level to be 5% L-R modulation. However, several posts have stated that for the HD receivers that are able to decode C-QUAM to do so, they require a "robust" pilot level in order to do so. > > Has anyone quantified just how much L-R pilot injection is necessary to get the various HD receivers to active their AM stereo mode? > > Brian Henry > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Aug 08 06:01:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21940 invoked by uid 102); 8 Aug 2013 13:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2013 13:01:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23573 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2013 13:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng21-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (66.196.81.248) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2013 13:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.182] by ng21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 13:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2013 13:01:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:01:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.234.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.234.248 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode C-QUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=3Cl9i6C_CpZAggvHiDLE7tHn34mZwwr85blJWR_uyEw X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I don't have an HD radio here to test it, however the pilot should not be m= ore than 7% at any case. Standard provides a 5% pilot at 25Hz. However ther= e are some receivers that 5% is edge to decode or not. I've found that the = 6% is the most suitable that any receiver will turn on the stereo decoding = circuitry! As i see it, the HD radios needs far more pilot signal to start = decoding. I know that from some clients of our ASMAX transmitter. It's not = the RF signal level that has to be quite strong to decode it. Its the pilot= that has to be strong for their capabilities. I would say that a good test= for you, since you have those HD radios available there and a VP8252 gener= ator also, is to inject a 10% pilot level with a 1KHz 50% L channel only mo= dulation, to see if they can decode it. If they do, try to lower the pilot = down to ~6 or 7% and they will probably keep deocoding the CQUAM. If they c= an't decode even with 10% then they aren't CQUAM usefull radios! Also I'm n= ot sure, but I think there is also something with the 25Hz phasing ? or bet= ter say with the shape of it? I think they don;t like to have a clear sinus= 25Hz signal as pilot! Seems they tend to accept more easily a more 'digiti= zed' shaping! But can't tell for sure as I haven't test any of them at my b= ench here...=20 I'm trying to find a way to convice a chip maker to add CQUAm decoding to t= heir radio IC's. They seem to be quite positive about it, but I should prov= ide them at least a small start up figure number of ordering if they add it= ! So anyone there that could support some part of a total order from us of = 2000 IC's of a complete radio with FM Stereo & AM CQUAM STEREO will be welc= ome to join! These IC's are excellent radio receivers already used in many = raadios of the market! And their designer has already said they find CQUAM = as an interesting update option, if we can give them some extra information= about it, and a start up figure, to make it available right away!!!=20 If we find someone to make a combined order I'm sure we could see a new AM = STEREO radio in the market very soon!!!=20 That will be I think a very good promotional gadget for every AM STEREO sta= tion in US, wouldn't be?=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "sillett" wrote: > > I used a Panasonic VP-8282P AM Stereo signal generator to send a C-QUAM > signal to both an Accurian HD Radio and a Boston Receptor Radio HD. I > used Pink Floyd's "Money" as a test. I could not get either HD radio to > kick into C-QUAM stereo. I know that, at some point, the Accurian HD > radio stopped supporting C-QUAM; however, my is dated 09A06, which is > believe is before the cutoff. I verified that I was indeed outputting > C-QUAM with my Realistic TM-152 AM Stereo receiver. The pilot light lit > up and I heard the song go from left to right and back. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J. Henry" wrote: > > > > Motorola specifies the 25 Hz pilot injection level to be 5% L-R > modulation. However, several posts have stated that for the HD > receivers that are able to decode C-QUAM to do so, they require a > "robust" pilot level in order to do so. > > > > Has anyone quantified just how much L-R pilot injection is necessary > to get the various HD receivers to active their AM stereo mode? > > > > Brian Henry > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 09 06:59:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80750 invoked by uid 102); 9 Aug 2013 13:59:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2013 13:59:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2652 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2013 13:59:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-vm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.102) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2013 13:59:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.85] by ng8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2013 13:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2013 13:59:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:59:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 96.56.206.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode C-QUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=-7cFvHD5Ns3AZFBqdSF3NWMdycH08oyClLRtkjHRfm2jxIVWwg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics My Accurian and Coby HD Radios decode C-Quam fine with a 5.0% pilot tone le= vel on my Panasonic multi-system AM Stereo generator. But they don't like h= igh audio modulation levels, so it's best to keep your modulation just slig= htly under 100% (say, around 95% to 98%) in both the positive and negative = directions. From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Sat Aug 10 06:46:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25104 invoked by uid 102); 10 Aug 2013 13:46:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2013 13:46:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2789 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2013 13:46:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2013 13:46:58 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9E013CE38 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:46:53 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:46:53 -0500 Message-Id: <20130810134024.M10483@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: BF9E013CE38.AB9E6 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode C-QUAM? {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=5FeCPnz7n-qYN427ojyRdAihAwbYai8_jKFNrv6RX8qkAhe-rRt3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:01:01 -0000, pdmtr wrote > I'm trying to find a way to convice a chip maker to add CQUAm decoding to= their radio IC's. They seem to be quite positive about it, but I should pr= ovide them at least a small start up figure number of ordering if they add = it! So anyone there that could support some part of a total order from us o= f 2000 IC's of a complete radio with FM Stereo & AM CQUAM STEREO will be we= lcome to join! These IC's are excellent radio receivers already used in man= y raadios of the market! And their designer has already said they find CQUA= M as an interesting update option, if we can give them some extra informati= on about it, and a start up figure, to make it available right away!!!=20 > If we find someone to make a combined order I'm sure we could see a new A= M STEREO radio in the market very soon!!!=20 > That will be I think a very good promotional gadget for every AM STEREO s= tation in US, wouldn't be?=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris Do you have a rough guess as to what the final cost of the radio might be?= =A0 Based on radios which use the non-CQUAM version, how much are they?=A0 = I'll say yes to being interested if it's less than $75.=A0 One other thing = you might be able to do is contact AM stereo stations around the world and = see if they'd be interested in buying a few for promotional items, or maybe= the GMs and station engineers would be interested in having them to monito= r their stations. Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Aug 10 09:28:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46679 invoked by uid 102); 10 Aug 2013 16:28:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2013 16:28:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20809 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2013 16:28:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.58) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2013 16:28:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.126] by ng14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2013 16:28:17 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.46] by tg7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2013 16:28:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:28:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130810134024.M10483@igenesis.us> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 85.72.234.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.72.234.248 From: "pdmtr" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode C-QUAM? {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=Bmtevc-QUJHnrnR_xKhl7TOx5HIelUbaDwqrX3TJG2o X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Scott=20 At least for starting point, I think a small portable or walkman type radio= (far smaller than tape walkmans) with only earphone output on it, will not= be retailed for more than ~25USD! Bulk price estimated to be around 10 USD= or even less! For example if someone would order 1000+ pcs at one, it migh= t drop below even 7 USD! That might be able to be "catched" even for small = quantities of say, 250 - 300pcs on one order, if multiple bulk orders occur= at the same time frame!=20 Now, if we speak for something like a classic portable radio with 2 speaker= s etc, I'm estimating to be aroun 60 - 90 USD / pc, at retail and bulk pric= e ~35 - 45 USD / pc. Tuner for home use will be about the same more or less= not cutting the 100 USD edge! And here we don't speak for huge orders! But= something like 50-100pcs!=20 Since those IC's are almost all the needed circuitry of a radio receiver, a= nd only some peripherals will add soame cost on the final product, the fina= l product price is mostly depended on what those peripherals and case cost!= =20=20 I think that if some stations wanted to promote their AM Stereo capability = among the local market they may be interest on buying some quantity of a ch= eap AM STEREO walk-radio gadget!=20 From here, Greece, I don;t have the ability to contact stations directly, t= hat are outside the EU, as is the USA radio market! So... only someone from= there could do that!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scottn0bst" wrote: > > On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:01:01 -0000, pdmtr wrote >=20 > > I'm trying to find a way to convice a chip maker to add CQUAm decoding = to their radio IC's. They seem to be quite positive about it, but I should = provide them at least a small start up figure number of ordering if they ad= d it! So anyone there that could support some part of a total order from us= of 2000 IC's of a complete radio with FM Stereo & AM CQUAM STEREO will be = welcome to join! These IC's are excellent radio receivers already used in m= any raadios of the market! And their designer has already said they find CQ= UAM as an interesting update option, if we can give them some extra informa= tion about it, and a start up figure, to make it available right away!!!=20 > > If we find someone to make a combined order I'm sure we could see a new= AM STEREO radio in the market very soon!!!=20 > > That will be I think a very good promotional gadget for every AM STEREO= station in US, wouldn't be?=20 > > Best regards=20 > > Sotiris >=20 > Do you have a rough guess as to what the final cost of the radio might be= ?=A0 Based on radios which use the non-CQUAM version, how much are they?=A0= I'll say yes to being interested if it's less than $75.=A0 One other thing= you might be able to do is contact AM stereo stations around the world and= see if they'd be interested in buying a few for promotional items, or mayb= e the GMs and station engineers would be interested in having them to monit= or their stations. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Sat Aug 10 22:31:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38783 invoked by uid 102); 11 Aug 2013 05:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2013 05:31:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3297 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2013 05:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.143.86) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2013 05:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2B7E87000008C for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 01:31:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.5]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D3C8DE000081 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2013 01:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: <9a1cb.7d4bc2aa.3f387b93@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 01:30:59 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2949520721933a2b X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: RCA had an AM Stereo System in 1959 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=_tiBOhCiIMg55MW1dx1SfkE8c1DsCbcSbSf7jAv1WLp9FULLJOfp X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently ran across some info that RCA experimented with an AM Stereo system way back in 1959. RCA engineers ran some AM Stereo tests with the 50 kilowatt WNBC broadcast transmitter in NYC on 660 kHz. They would high-level modulate a standard AM transmitter with a L+R sum signal so it would be compatible with normal AM receivers. At the same time they FM modulated the 660 kHz carrier with the difference L-R signal. The receiver was a converted RCA XF-2 AM-FM radio that was modified to receive the AM band only and they somehow converted the FM section to work on a mediumwave 660 kHz signal so they could get both channels from a single 660 kHz carrier. They discontinued the tests for some reason. Perhaps the FM modulated carrier was not compatible with adjacent channels on the AM band or somehow the performance was not what they hoped. An interesting sidenote on AM Stereo history I did not know about before! You can read more about it if you Google "RCA's AM Stereo System circa 1959" 73 - Todd WD4NGG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 12 19:23:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89313 invoked by uid 102); 13 Aug 2013 02:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2013 02:23:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23701 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2013 02:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm16-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (216.109.115.54) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2013 02:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.163] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 02:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 02:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 02:23:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 14501.39890.bm@smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: FORHuo8VM1k_R7Lcy7gm8_wnrt3mLcE_DBmvgsRqv2yfsk4 aWXFCQLvnzB.VZ8Sz2ISyIiO3LS1PTh1.utLDCeO_ORqbjN1wfrvqDE3uMqh SnH4nak.jsHVjMnlAhSWVNzelPh3aVExB.A6ZoAy8B7RDjiXhV047Np8COEG mrutuzNUsoM9riyyu_ys9EOgexkoikrzslauV0fZKasRP8vUd4hhXl5mqCtz tVQM5UpFxkBIFn_Nd4VEa_dn.tDRwS6AjgbqK5_3wcaDWm.AfJTuE3e6LAVG 8oaIvzDDhSAnwjUgf3MqIvgHxgkuEGxJKDseAmzgIloM6lIB9jS9Bi15FfbA rsTWpvve7lXAAKK6hWb5I9i97.Qmu37OdBCwXNhp.Xb7bWyjrHY8074nf.2S _IQlnEbmn7UkN2T8tVtknLRQqAGnzJhfg46Aa.x0a5tn906ukcxqX4LPBUAq Kwiw_ySpS7rQYNNTHSc3HxMNobMhN5keFSkHzokB5eUMgpbjtpuKhgcR5wvp ZOsntb7RYjhLy19bvbHrCiWB1BQkd3h4N27TvtY41QCCc40eHKSFpr73h7o5 pb.WhmYXL8EpDKsrmrsITmT.UOZxFkvZ2DAtXLLoF1LsziILeX_82PX.u6Rj pWfbTQBN7vmt5m4dXUguX.tuKMPRC_Mva_Ym4QRFCnp6umBScnpnyviZnT23 cLiIOpSqLVH5oV_3FKmXgxxN4t3Bt8Ik1mR1Fsho49zPI8Hr.Ee5T6LimLEf dfqd14GkE3FVVya_q1icrPhIk_LHH0XNLXRi.WwUQv8.5sm8cDkeUcavbxuy D2HbfHLjO6rTHF3wff2ITMayqiVIBBKC54Jfj3qsWqAKUmb63sVHAw5pZBrh pnwJnQOHjZrHS2rHLTfP_.0a12AJYssxfSHgWlmVZU2wuqnOxcJHxiNJxZDo 1wORgrFY2bcI2wZqvHaHvF8clXaYEB56px5mNYE2n5ZBDi_7sTNjocIyHw42 btazHndsrOJ1cMmuD8K9nMluGmGPtEN9bqGiEwl65E7aoCMtOzIp7bd9GPKr Jw.0noNvg5hePB7iQhBOGepYeo5pZtIu3tdusUqKTFrvsmk5AN8GIGh6FC8I 95.dXuNhXyujTRFHsdAsKok4E5XLV.kxuzUgyCeORAYz8Mpu3KVb44KCdxUw OdQaoTq_v.PvoKh0kRK0XjPqpLZpNKNexlbzzaBHad25j3f.7Gox4EOrauTK BU50o4NTVJs9WgjdDwTcUjffkIJP6sjOsIvieEvJ6ZSPcKq0.4H.lS9NAQrq S8u6xWMVTZew_Tu0NsZVZiUlX.5v9BSY2E5YXKVvvBsy7qN9T5SvVbXsDKwd ZykNur3bG.xjQmpy1HbiZ4fFKiKetLz.bA9dg0iiGmgxls6weev7riDkY_fz DtagXMtnM2BKzvs6G9nUmXRo2ZK4WmeO_XLrKHogCWyIycPd3FtUksqswcnu 7aBo_Xk_y3Hz9uif2cqlVJgcPCBUDw91zEnzUTBt0V1Rgdp8I2gQ03jkP.ba vYqZ7YM_Isfr9y.GembRV.ZFbW6Q5V8g850Zkt7sS4Yo7khfy2zW3Ywi_BOb 7ZCe1FBD9tuQMcQ888VCcpvJsfVpuAT3X.QBWEsOTyRn8Lxg7PUL8yAhq57M BALCa9Lxqs3XabaMy_OXgwboV3pZzEefki6vxlw81cnYh1NUBmN.zCUTqlxD M0Cwqf6Dea4DyuAnSATN3CjAB4f2P7kU_k.gnMOEyHg0zPudNLBV7qFu4S32 3nlxAR1DwTEY0u.2ljzW4RtX03JYl4yM56dcxJjmlLHwMsA5V1nMaJQtGqls OiWCfYycIs_apfMBDrVw- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Rocket-Received: from jim51acdbd9d7e (jimsmith95650@75.24.202.241 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2013 19:23:15 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <9a1cb.7d4bc2aa.3f387b93@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:24:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA had an AM Stereo System in 1959 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=_oN4JpyZQNe9Vzq5cs1L57Yk0SRu_OTh-Mqkvd__4wCcIu_B6Jt4vU2f5QZIigohgV5Dqai_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Todd Thats a need read. I think what they ment by "FM" is Faised Modulation on AM. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} RCA had an AM Stereo System in 1959 I recently ran across some info that RCA experimented with an AM Stereo system way back in 1959. RCA engineers ran some AM Stereo tests with the 50 kilowatt WNBC broadcast transmitter in NYC on 660 kHz. They would high-level modulate a standard AM transmitter with a L+R sum signal so it would be compatible with normal AM receivers. At the same time they FM modulated the 660 kHz carrier with the difference L-R signal. The receiver was a converted RCA XF-2 AM-FM radio that was modified to receive the AM band only and they somehow converted the FM section to work on a mediumwave 660 kHz signal so they could get both channels from a single 660 kHz carrier. They discontinued the tests for some reason. Perhaps the FM modulated carrier was not compatible with adjacent channels on the AM band or somehow the performance was not what they hoped. An interesting sidenote on AM Stereo history I did not know about before! You can read more about it if you Google "RCA's AM Stereo System circa 1959" 73 - Todd WD4NGG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 12 19:40:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48934 invoked by uid 102); 13 Aug 2013 02:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2013 02:40:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11685 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2013 02:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.47) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2013 02:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 02:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.44] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 02:40:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 02:40:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130810134024.M10483@igenesis.us> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.24.202.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.24.202.241 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode C-QUAM? {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=SZ5eXjfqlp-9AhJ7kVjXcpsk4Z_6i1wB7CgVJESW_vmuVxvi1EaxiU-9KJsMCAq_7JTJ0UCM X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Scott and gang. Are the IC chips from Motorola? Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scottn0bst" wrote: > > On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:01:01 -0000, pdmtr wrote >=20 > > I'm trying to find a way to convice a chip maker to add CQUAm decoding = to their radio IC's. They seem to be quite positive about it, but I should = provide them at least a small start up figure number of ordering if they ad= d it! So anyone there that could support some part of a total order from us= of 2000 IC's of a complete radio with FM Stereo & AM CQUAM STEREO will be = welcome to join! These IC's are excellent radio receivers already used in m= any raadios of the market! And their designer has already said they find CQ= UAM as an interesting update option, if we can give them some extra informa= tion about it, and a start up figure, to make it available right away!!!=20 > > If we find someone to make a combined order I'm sure we could see a new= AM STEREO radio in the market very soon!!!=20 > > That will be I think a very good promotional gadget for every AM STEREO= station in US, wouldn't be?=20 > > Best regards=20 > > Sotiris >=20 > Do you have a rough guess as to what the final cost of the radio might be= ?=A0 Based on radios which use the non-CQUAM version, how much are they?=A0= I'll say yes to being interested if it's less than $75.=A0 One other thing= you might be able to do is contact AM stereo stations around the world and= see if they'd be interested in buying a few for promotional items, or mayb= e the GMs and station engineers would be interested in having them to monit= or their stations. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 13 04:47:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12315 invoked by uid 102); 13 Aug 2013 11:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2013 11:47:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2098 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2013 11:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm27.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (216.109.114.51) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2013 11:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.157] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 11:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.221.57] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 11:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 11:47:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 869585.76001.bm@smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: yk3RwYsVM1my2FYZqppeSgJLQGNXlsIp1zwN79OdIIDfHJc k.Ju5EcPjPkK6d4.KCfrQFwzD5cx4Tyd5g8rLEgtDlRis4ASwIzQ0RcpjJOy G81BYdEkSQ1Aj7YrbZiku4e2ZUgtPYXXMwwTInuQW_i8iQz246f2eejfQ.it QnnHcwFBUzsGNY7CIR3RT0KGkEAp4_pxjuBgXxGTfEbjCwizsoCzKwpTZrtZ C1PCgKfYGOSzELbpX.3QRV6ItAlqSdhkvOVRSGr_EjHpcUW1A.REKcGstsxE uXQI.KPMFdwo.Vugip3Opo5nJnSkecD3AG6qFxhk0NLahAsys_OY9rurBlEk vJOH5es6QbCZXuOzQEx2D.cf7kEWuorh_2JBSHPkwCdWzcqVhWwpNWrow9Ft kFECI5imjIsGAnCLj6r4GXcxPWcdqRnMn8cEzV7JnJOL_SjFnsEQFdgN6Ic9 KcMv2jZhKoaY95aAKsjlxfR3PFmaWaG5qhhdeKHhReS0HDFGUjcfIUVF7Ih9 gKf_Mj0eq5U2R_GfFXdZtja0W.HCLT8hXnk_7x5oHSHiIXlK6U1DHnHbFQe0 DRrYs_afF X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Rocket-Received: from jim51acdbd9d7e (jimsmith95650@75.24.202.241 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2013 04:47:50 -0700 PDT Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 04:47:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: KFRC FM 106.9 HD2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=VG0XlKBRZU-p-bC6Ece0xpH8M66kJaGaQer0USWbZjgy190yJIGKQC9QYtVv5WmU4RUvd2Sy X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang If you want to hear some great sounding music in wide stereo Google KFRC 106.9 FM HD 2 . Thay sound great . I have a BEACH BOYS CD and thay sound a lot better on this station. And yes i do send the audio to my Chris Cuff A.L and i love it very much. I thought i would findly shair that with you guys. 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Thats my gess any way. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim smith Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA had an AM Stereo System in 1959 Hi Todd Thats a need read. I think what they ment by "FM" is Faised Modulation on AM. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: toddroberts2001@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} RCA had an AM Stereo System in 1959 I recently ran across some info that RCA experimented with an AM Stereo system way back in 1959. RCA engineers ran some AM Stereo tests with the 50 kilowatt WNBC broadcast transmitter in NYC on 660 kHz. They would high-level modulate a standard AM transmitter with a L+R sum signal so it would be compatible with normal AM receivers. At the same time they FM modulated the 660 kHz carrier with the difference L-R signal. The receiver was a converted RCA XF-2 AM-FM radio that was modified to receive the AM band only and they somehow converted the FM section to work on a mediumwave 660 kHz signal so they could get both channels from a single 660 kHz carrier. They discontinued the tests for some reason. Perhaps the FM modulated carrier was not compatible with adjacent channels on the AM band or somehow the performance was not what they hoped. An interesting sidenote on AM Stereo history I did not know about before! You can read more about it if you Google "RCA's AM Stereo System circa 1959" 73 - Todd WD4NGG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Aug 13 19:30:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64269 invoked by uid 102); 14 Aug 2013 02:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2013 02:30:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28952 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2013 02:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.103) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2013 02:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.120] by ng8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2013 02:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2013 02:30:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 02:30:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9a1cb.7d4bc2aa.3f387b93@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.81.199.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.199.217 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: RCA had an AM Stereo System in 1959 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=36h4bgjR0g5XsuvFrIshzKII2Xirka9T-PsTizszk28s X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Todd, This is interesting stuff. Thanks. I like looking at pictures of old broadc= ast installations. First, do you hang out any place on HF? Just wondering if I could work you = on some band. I believe this basically produces just about the same thing that the Magnav= ox or Belar system did with maybe some small differences. I know I've poste= d this before but I've been playing around with this on my 75 meter AM Ham = transmitters since around 1982. I FM modulate a Heath HG - 10B VFO with L -= R audio. L + R amplitude modulates the transmitter. The problem is I have = no adjustment for timing between the L + R and L - R signals so the stereo = separation suffers. Some day I'll fix that if I have time but it's close en= ough for fooling around. I just put up a new recording of my 4-400 transmit= ter on 75 meters received on a Flex radio running CQUAM software. Of course= it's illeagle to play music on the Ham bands so we do what we can. It's in= tersting anyway. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: > > I recently ran across some info that RCA experimented with an > AM Stereo system way back in 1959. RCA engineers ran some=20 > AM Stereo tests with the > 50 kilowatt WNBC broadcast transmitter in NYC on 660 kHz.=20 >=20=20 > They would high-level modulate a standard AM transmitter > with a L+R sum signal so it would be compatible with > normal AM receivers. At the same time they FM modulated the 660 kHz=20 > carrier with the difference L-R signal. >=20=20 > The receiver was a converted RCA XF-2 AM-FM radio that was > modified to receive the AM band only and they somehow converted the > FM section to work on a mediumwave 660 kHz signal so they could get both > channels from a single 660 kHz carrier. >=20=20 > They discontinued the tests for some reason. Perhaps the FM > modulated carrier was not compatible with adjacent channels on=20 > the AM band or somehow the performance was not what they hoped. >=20=20 > An interesting sidenote on AM Stereo history I did not know about before= ! >=20=20 > You can read more about it if you Google "RCA's AM Stereo System circa = =20 > 1959" >=20=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toddroberts2001@aol.com Wed Aug 14 15:55:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ToddRoberts2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59601 invoked by uid 102); 14 Aug 2013 22:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2013 22:55:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4535 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2013 22:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omr-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.108.133) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2013 22:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B5E27700E9207 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:55:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from core-mgd004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.9]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4366BE000082 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ToddRoberts2001 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:55:02 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 164 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d520c0ac62fa6 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: toddroberts2001@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RCA had an AM Stereo System in 1959 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122079705; y=tPUg27CPL11k-HWibT9l69K0TGKqkSzm4MTG6lAUmFTNPKcetW-W X-Yahoo-Profile: roberts50000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry, Glad you found the article on the RCA 1959 stereo system interesting. I had no idea anyone was experimenting with AM Stereo that far back. I believe the Belar system is the most similar to RCA's system. Very interesting that you built a similar system for your ham rig and are able to operate AM Stereo on the ham bands. That is a nice homepage you put together and some of your audio samples have good separation. Sorry but I don't have anything operational on the ham bands at this time but may try to put something on 160 meters AM this winter. I do have a homebuilt 200 watt mosfet Class-E AM transmitter with a PDM modulator for 160. I might be able to adapt an outboard AM Stereo decoder board to the 455 kHz IF of an R-390A receiver to be able to hear your AM Stereo signal. Hope to hear you on 75 meters one of these nights. 73 - Todd WD4NGG In a message dated 8/13/2013 10:31:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wa2fnq@optonline.net writes: Todd, This is interesting stuff. Thanks. I like looking at pictures of old broadcast installations. First, do you hang out any place on HF? Just wondering if I could work you on some band. I believe this basically produces just about the same thing that the Magnavox or Belar system did with maybe some small differences. I know I've posted this before but I've been playing around with this on my 75 meter AM Ham transmitters since around 1982. I FM modulate a Heath HG - 10B VFO with L - R audio. L + R amplitude modulates the transmitter. The problem is I have no adjustment for timing between the L + R and L - R signals so the stereo separation suffers. Some day I'll fix that if I have time but it's close enough for fooling around. I just put up a new recording of my 4-400 transmitter on 75 meters received on a Flex radio running CQUAM software. Of course it's illeagle to play music on the Ham bands so we do what we can. It's intersting anyway. Jerry WA2FNQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Aug 15 10:12:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48241 invoked by uid 102); 15 Aug 2013 17:12:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2013 17:12:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17818 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2013 17:12:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng23-vm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (66.196.80.41) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2013 17:12:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.123] by ng23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2013 17:12:56 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2013 17:12:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:12:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.81.199.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.199.217 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: RCA had an AM Stereo System in 1959 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=nzFWFtr5G7Q0jtw21dPc4wUHBLeb-Yic9UaBU7KeR5tA X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, toddroberts2001@... wrote: Cool Todd!! I want to get on 160 myself. I did some fooling around with a f= riend of mine in CT using my ICOM 706 @ 25 watts and feeding my 40 meter di= pole as a random wire. There is no reason in the world for this to work but= he said I had a decent signal. I'd love to homebrew something for 160 but = don't have the time right now. What really got me going on AM stereo was back around 1981 I called Nationa= l Semiconductor and spoke with one of their reps. He seemed to be thrilled = to talk to someone about AM stereo. He said he'd send me some information a= nd took my address. A couple of days later a huge package of information sh= owed up with a sample of their LM 1981 stereo decoder chip. The LM 1981 was= made to work with the Magnavox/Belar systems but could decode CQUAM with a= couple of circuit changes and ISB with the addition of the proper phase sh= ifts. I took an old AM tuner and stuck it at the end of the I.F. At the tim= e the only station here that was in AM stereo was WNBC and they were ISB. T= he sudo stereo effect was cool though. I stuck a Gonset Super 6 converter a= head of the tuner, started playing with my transmitter and the rest is hist= ory. Hope to catch you on the bands sometime. 73 Jerry > > Jerry, > Glad you found the article on the RCA 1959 stereo system interesting. I h= ad=20 > no idea > anyone was experimenting with AM Stereo that far back. I believe the Bela= r=20=20 > system > is the most similar to RCA's system. >=20=20 > Very interesting that you built a similar system for your ham rig and are= =20=20 > able > to operate AM Stereo on the ham bands. That is a nice homepage you > put together and some of your audio samples have good separation. >=20=20 > Sorry but I don't have anything operational on the ham bands at this time= =20=20 > but may=20 > try to put something on 160 meters AM this winter. I do have a homebuilt= =20 > 200 watt=20 > mosfet Class-E AM > transmitter with a PDM modulator for 160. >=20=20 > I might be able to adapt an outboard AM Stereo decoder board to the > 455 kHz IF of an R-390A receiver to be able to hear your AM Stereo signa= l. >=20=20 > Hope to hear you on 75 meters one of these nights. >=20=20 > 73 - Todd WD4NGG >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > In a message dated 8/13/2013 10:31:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20=20 > wa2fnq@... writes: >=20 > Todd, >=20 > This is interesting stuff. Thanks. I like looking at pictures of old=20 > broadcast installations. >=20 > First, do you hang out any place on HF? Just wondering if I could work y= ou=20 > on some band. >=20 > I believe this basically produces just about the same thing that the=20 > Magnavox or Belar system did with maybe some small differences. I know I= 've=20 > posted this before but I've been playing around with this on my 75 meter= AM Ham=20 > transmitters since around 1982. I FM modulate a Heath HG - 10B VFO with = L=20 > - R audio. L + R amplitude modulates the transmitter. The problem is I h= ave=20 > no adjustment for timing between the L + R and L - R signals so the ster= eo=20 > separation suffers. Some day I'll fix that if I have time but it's close= =20 > enough for fooling around. I just put up a new recording of my 4-400=20 > transmitter on 75 meters received on a Flex radio running CQUAM software= . Of=20 > course it's illeagle to play music on the Ham bands so we do what we can= . It's=20 > intersting anyway. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Sat Aug 17 14:12:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95749 invoked by uid 102); 17 Aug 2013 21:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2013 21:12:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9143 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2013 21:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2013 21:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED06B23F43 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:12:50 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:12:50 -0500 Message-Id: <20130817211139.M13474@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: <9B983C5BA54442CAA05AFAC21E8B0843@jim51acdbd9d7e> References: <9a1cb.7d4bc2aa.3f387b93@aol.com> <9B983C5BA54442CAA05AFAC21E8B0843@jim51acdbd9d7e> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: ED06B23F43.ABC61 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA had an AM Stereo System in 1959 {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=l1jCqo1z-nfuR7AlncsHrbGU6Q3Y1TJE571cN1qX7qY39OkusNWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:38:44 -0700, jim smith wrote > =A0 >=20 > Hi Todd Some thing i forgot mention also was that a short 2 years later i= n 1961 the FCC granted FM FM STEREO so thats probly why thay stoped transmi= tting there AM STEREO system. Thats my gess any way. Jim Smith You remember your history fairly well.=A0 The FCC was attempting to aid FM = broadcasters so they temporarily put the kibosh on AM stereo development. Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 19 05:34:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9842 invoked by uid 102); 19 Aug 2013 12:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2013 12:34:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18380 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2013 12:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm3-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (216.109.114.99) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2013 12:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 12:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.84.175] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 12:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 12:34:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 886626.67712.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: M3y9AjQVM1nzQOvvbFbxs8fgfKGMi32m2MrEq_YiCmejwud SGqlOf0tI8P2tNLqZY2lMzixVGML6RHR_biGS4AbY.Of2AEMB6DTED6wyUXk cigcCAoHRaRtCgmR0HguL83VcRbn8M6G8wgnVqnNDV51BUPdO0KnYZR.C0EP QuTFccuWPpFlyQYWgqIqSjksYiHBC5vDVttMLqaWHKnWm71hWkAY09zAUU7X ksD9qoBnW5lK2bPxb8EtmHKnXYdC7fPgUUfFCNKMKprsI6P44SUO5q.HZ1e. .hCs4S.VlWPekphb3LNoTzp6VnePf.BAvkRkwchqPbGuDTYKO9zbitjWTjd9 w0FchK1QzzhtHnjYoG800fnLwIKK01E.xcagTeeIwwbwhB1YnD.dGBCNKAHK UcQxF9qWYUmw7YYbgtBPwTs1_xRIsHfstL0qi0qi3k48cw9CgwEHSGVzbPf4 qVSgA3PBij7V5VQcZEeMoqDFzklPT.R8cNfAFlylB87xNFvsn7cVo6.i1qnu 5wi6DC3FmsQPw1IwXieSN7Na2m0G8Xy.3.k3KyUE.0Rn2H9vbQb1Gp6X0RNM ExZ8WpVQaRzFN3lw5Tq0jHWjGQGNmfehU5AoU0EpGjWYogBiPBam36bSI_R6 aSPvS_dfB5tZPBjGyRWwGR74wnhHpMv6MnBvD0lAbQg6040NPwhXuvB_Nn0n O3hCXKUocJfuUUESua0IPhNMbg8BRZVKPlu6tiso9REROlBYN3unq0azXhwz vuR52qtuJO5OiS3wNpqUU3y7H8DIFuLfBRvNBjcX.Yd6cd8WOdvpe8TqBAqq .beZarkVKMQ97_AM8qDkLemiScQ.JWCXf_FVtSNp8fdOeYj0TpFfPjSNYM6w YUWpWux5mB.ih6cCzE9OF_z_fX56ZMfOuIEMqwWcFhV5eoLUbkXskIMsuXuY hEe3rt9jv22GynNS3oKZrSDZhJJuknD3PCsMdMVKyalzL9CABulyfyrbuLcf wayApb9uAvUCxk3CNP_ZVD0jur_bp4X3OaAr1FRTllvwzIZlmdV6qtPPR_gg gwGd5nVQhXOj9OxjssuaoN.hIC.IaGnuYnKx9wglXpjjIix6YVVPbpiIkt0X Ru2dqIyy4jsA1amwz67FNgxbx3tbzES7sv5ZK6_8Uxl_bYs4dXilqMaWDle6 Jw_UDCpshVURrZSyzIvW_nHqSdRbs1nzcxGT74d0Wsq5Ky3r8WPevhqNx5ME 0ahJMGJYAU.O7K9Rd__biOARLicpR4gAQQ4enzKtDPLkuALHw2zNSKJcffYz keYPPKqF8VWtqkicoHVslwBkdrqZ4vKjFVXMhHfJlJ8ECQ9zSFSGrJxwFjXS kjOMQs8VCcygZIXzyxxe6JeEXVqH7ikuukrMSrbDNNjWuFnWBxtQDVq41fej SLDeU2GN8VNgEt2obEnKG9IU_OoeOY3kw4sEBr82RdOLTfj0NEgT.0KjTRqQ cluH.f3IOdh7tV0zFGHba_lfr8Qz6VdhxsWFiMq7UpNXYFSKLl9jbtPEbX_V IG53iBA3qyK.IG74bVFhH0X0LqLMBWWoOZN3MOHZR1vPwMhFNYQvS42h_M_e v28gzxqJl16jUd6NtbwTlgrWAcnksNeSgFa4gRMTuDL6AS9.9gU3S6YeReGJ TXVCXjzUAW0tfDsAAN8bnbbr2utf.5s4qtGe5eVy2pGaPJu1zvT9GVdeFSS3 o5_hhBc9g6N0L8zWZp2wuwOY5zkw7cSvYIid0psrYXGX4G8_dXzMUjzph7hE PcVzwwggcdKm_vJSKr_RJnTCMy2yz1H8NwrpoVHbV52gLkrVFgnerWAD1mlK VaPJPp6Rod9UAyyajJyOR X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Rocket-Received: from jim51acdbd9d7e (jimsmith95650@71.155.145.46 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2013 05:34:31 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <48552931CDD6494582834B3B2D9C1DB0@jim51acdbd9d7e> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <9a1cb.7d4bc2aa.3f387b93@aol.com> <9B983C5BA54442CAA05AFAC21E8B0843@jim51acdbd9d7e> <20130817211139.M13474@igenesis.us> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:34:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA had an AM Stereo System in 1959 {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=8dDQnBXh8XNDNtjSz_NktJKTIhogVwgp6EGr5LXA0uBXUisyI-V3Lovby3olLvEnvAI5-giB X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scoot I lerned about it here. And i have noticed that not one broadcaster have turned off FM STEREO due to lack of support. And there has been plunty of FM STEREO radios and tuners and walkmans sold over the years.Even as late as the C-QuAM standerd came by 1993 and if there was more support by the audio industery would have helped a lot for AM STEREO. The way i understude it the audio industry was betting on HD RADIO as there saver for AM broadcasting. What a joke.!!!!!! The only AM STEREO i have is my A.L No local no sky wave.Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA had an AM Stereo System in 1959 {Disarmed} On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:38:44 -0700, jim smith wrote > > > Hi Todd Some thing i forgot mention also was that a short 2 years later in 1961 the FCC granted FM FM STEREO so thats probly why thay stoped transmitting there AM STEREO system. Thats my gess any way. Jim Smith You remember your history fairly well. The FCC was attempting to aid FM broadcasters so they temporarily put the kibosh on AM stereo development. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon Aug 19 14:04:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13722 invoked by uid 102); 19 Aug 2013 21:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2013 21:04:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21526 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2013 21:04:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng23-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.87.119) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2013 21:04:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng23.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 21:04:03 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 21:04:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:04:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 184.151.114.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 184.151.114.167 From: "bogdanchiochiu" Subject: Rick Springfield with Jessy Girl on WBLQ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=7bHex8nlUK9Fuf6YxS9hqdhH2uI3Zyz8QM_ceFYEijYT14GuyxTJlo8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Warm greetings ! I managed to tape some stereo audio from STEREO 1230 WBLQ in Westerly, a gr= aveyarder on skywave skip, ONCE AGAIN last night ! The best stereo separati= on came out of this Rick Springfield classic hit from 1991, Jessy`s Girl, f= ollowed by a STEREO identification. I will post my file (and probably delet= e a bunch of other ones) just after supper. May the good DX stay locked into C-QUAM stereo ! Bogdan CHIOCHIU Btw.: WHWH is a regional, not a graveyard, CHANNEL, because it is thought t= o be slightly less crowded... Also there is WINY 1350 and WEZX along with W= OGX in Philadelphia getting in the way, though a trip to New Jersey is prob= ably not out of question. But, I want to know, is WINY just pilot on: the s= tereo separation on the MJ song recorded here sounded more like platform mo= tion echo than REAL separation. Someone mentioned here a few month ago that= WINY Putnam is pilot only... It is sad, because I love hearing their mid-t= empo Adult Contemporary fare around sunset and sunrise while still on day p= atterns... 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File : /mp3-usa/WBLQ_AUG_19_2013_0300EDT_0700UTC.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : C-QUAM graveyard local channel DX Westerly to Verdun (Montreal) on the Sony CFS 6000 boombox and the passive PK mediumwave loop. A nice threat ! Recorded this morning around 250 AM ! 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Stations are not going to sacrifice those positive peaks jus= t so certain radios decode. Having them run symmetrical modulation isn't go= ing to happen.=A0 =A0 Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter h= ogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good= thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let = me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From radio774@yahoo.se Fri Aug 23 03:50:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: radio774@yahoo.se X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71978 invoked by uid 102); 23 Aug 2013 10:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2013 10:50:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1642 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2013 10:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.197) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2013 10:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from [77.238.189.234] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2013 10:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from [212.82.98.85] by tm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2013 10:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2013 10:50:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 378644.90136.bm@omp1022.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 90999 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2013 10:50:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IB9dhi4VM1mAl036JFYSK18Q.LFbOUGO4BVCP3mIP3rwNvm XPElqx74nbdcpNnIcS4ot X-Received: from [46.195.27.166] by web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:50:38 BST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SGksCsKgCkFuIG91dGRvb3IgbG9vcCBhbnRlbm5hIGNhbiBlbGltaW5hdGUgdGhlIG5vaWNlIG9mIEFNIGxpc3RuaW5ncyBJbmRvb3JzIG5vaWNlIGRldmljZXMuCgpCZXN0cyBmcm9tUm95IFNhbmRncmVuQm94IDE0MDA2U2UtMjAwMjQgTWFsbW9TV0VERU7CoMKgwqDCoMKgIHd3dy5yYWRpb3N5ZC5ldQogCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnLDpW46IEJvb2dpZTM1MCA8Ym9vZ2llMzUwQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4KVGlsbDogImFtc3RlcmVvZm9ydW1AeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tIiA8YW0BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.155.576 References: <1377221814.74604.YahooMailNeo@web121106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1377255038.77004.YahooMailNeo@web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:50:38 +0100 (BST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <1377221814.74604.YahooMailNeo@web121106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Roy Sandgren Reply-To: Roy Sandgren Subject: SV: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138024662; y=DUv9LQUmdmGkEsxfavfh5_QwFoSfEO-pwhNiWWrNEoGB_Y4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radio774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =C2=A0 An outdoor loop antenna can eliminate the noice of AM listnings Indoors noi= ce devices. Bests fromRoy SandgrenBox 14006Se-20024 MalmoSWEDEN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 www.radiosyd.eu =20 ________________________________ Fr=C3=A5n: Boogie350 Till: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" =20 Skickat: fredag, 23 augusti 2013 3:36 =C3=84mne: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receiver= s to decode =20=20 =C2=A0=20=20 =20 AM stations need higher positive peak modulation levels to overcome the hig= h noise floor. Stations are not going to sacrifice those positive peaks jus= t so certain radios decode. Having them run symmetrical modulation isn't go= ing to happen.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter h= ogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good= thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let = me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bhenry@saber.net Fri Aug 23 09:12:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhenry@saber.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56582 invoked by uid 102); 23 Aug 2013 16:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2013 16:12:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5919 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2013 16:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.105) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2013 16:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.180] by ng18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2013 16:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2013 16:12:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:12:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1377221814.74604.YahooMailNeo@web121106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.160.39.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.160.39.104 From: "Brian J. Henry" Subject: Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=209959345; y=xm8v7PffTNugMRwtd6tdmd8gDjiTPmpKVA7MnW3tR-noX-ii X-Yahoo-Profile: kllkradio As a broadcast engineer working in a one of the largest markets in the U.S.= , I disagree with this and I know of many radio broadcast engineers who fee= l similiarly. Every AM broadcast station that I am responsible for operate= s with symmetrical modulation. +125% peak modulation does not noticeably increase the loudness of an AM br= oadcast station. Clipping the audio is a far more effective way to increas= e preceived loudness. If you browse through any Orban AM Optimod manual, you can read Bob Orban's= the take on it. To see what happens with the RF spectrum with +125% positive modulation, do= wnload this program. http://www.TonneSoftware.com/downloads/ModTutor.exe Brian Henry, WB6QED --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Boogie350 wrote: > > AM stations need higher positive peak modulation levels to overcome=20 > the high noise floor. Stations are not going to sacrifice those=20 > positive peaks just so certain radios decode. Having them run=20 > symmetrical modulation isn't going to happen.=A0 From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Aug 24 12:09:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10971 invoked by uid 102); 24 Aug 2013 19:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2013 19:09:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2129 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2013 19:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng21-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (66.196.81.248) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2013 19:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.181] by ng21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2013 19:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.107] by tg9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2013 19:09:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 19:09:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.81.199.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.199.217 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=kYKbrBeO80HeS9DLUf-2Mn7XEOsgD5LVGZJO8iix4Rwl X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Am I missing something?? This software doesn't seem to allow for a true ass= ymetrical model so I don't think you can get a proper display of what's rea= lly happening. While I agree that forcing the positive peak to be higher ca= n lead to distortion in a diode detector do you not see what clipping does = to the waveform?? If the positve peak is naturally higher then so be it. Th= at's why you phase things like your microphone so the naturally higher posi= tive peak is in the proper direction. Being in and associated with broadcas= ting for the past 43 years, I hate to say it, but the art of audio processi= ng is lost on the current generation of broadcast engineers. I can pick out= 1 station in the NY metro area that sounds good, AM or FM and it's a high = school station. He's loud, clean and has better high end than anyone around= . And he's not using any of Orban's stuff either. Clipping is distortion and when anyone says that word it sends chills down = my back. It's better to let the natural positive peaks through rather than = clip them off for the sake of keeping your modulation symmetrical. Clipping= should be used a last resort to keep your transmitter from overmodulating = in a negative direction. That's it. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J. Henry" wrote: > > As a broadcast engineer working in a one of the largest markets in the U.= S., I disagree with this and I know of many radio broadcast engineers who f= eel similiarly. Every AM broadcast station that I am responsible for opera= tes with symmetrical modulation. >=20 > +125% peak modulation does not noticeably increase the loudness of an AM = broadcast station. Clipping the audio is a far more effective way to incre= ase preceived loudness. >=20 > If you browse through any Orban AM Optimod manual, you can read Bob Orban= 's the take on it. >=20 > To see what happens with the RF spectrum with +125% positive modulation, = download this program. >=20 > http://www.TonneSoftware.com/downloads/ModTutor.exe >=20 > Brian Henry, WB6QED >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Boogie350 wrote: > > > > AM stations need higher positive peak modulation levels to overcome=20 > > the high noise floor. Stations are not going to sacrifice those=20 > > positive peaks just so certain radios decode. Having them run=20 > > symmetrical modulation isn't going to happen.=A0 > From ninjarider100@yahoo.com Sat Aug 24 13:11:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ninjarider100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70122 invoked by uid 102); 24 Aug 2013 20:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2013 20:11:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23480 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2013 20:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm38-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.239.17) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2013 20:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm38.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2013 20:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.217] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2013 20:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2013 20:11:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 352774.36688.bm@omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 23430 invoked by uid 60001); 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Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:11:05 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,UGhhc2luZyBtaWNzIGhhcyBoYWQgbGl0dGxlIGVmZmVjdCBvbiBsb3VkbmVzcyBzaW5jZSBwcm9jZXNzb3IgbWFudWZhY3R1cmVycyBzdGFydGVkIGFkZGluZyBwaGFzZSByb3RhdG9ycyB0byB0aGUgYXVkaW8gcGF0aCBpbiB0aGUgZWFybHkgMTk4MCdzIHRvIHJlZHVjZSBpbnRlcm1vZCBieSBiYWxhbmNpbmcgdGhlIHN5bW1ldHJ5IG9mIG5vcm1hbGx5IGFzeW1tZXRyaWNhbCB2b2ljZSBhbmQgYnJhc3MgaW5zdHJ1bWVudHMuwqAgVGhlIHByYWN0aWNlIG9mIG1pYyBwaGFzaW5nIHdhcyBxdWl0ZSBwb3B1bGEBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.155.576 References: Message-ID: <1377375065.23227.YahooMailNeo@web140403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:11:05 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Josh Jones Reply-To: Josh Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=528075768; y=38f4GNHML2nZDGNjeS1-HDYOaVLPw7GGHuLa9pDD4u9l5huSRaNNsw X-Yahoo-Profile: ninjarider100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Phasing mics has had little effect on loudness since processor manufacturer= s started adding phase rotators to the audio path in the early 1980's to re= duce intermod by balancing the symmetry of normally asymmetrical voice and = brass instruments.=C2=A0 The practice of mic phasing was quite popular in t= he 50's and 60's when processing also featured such funny effects as reverb= and bathtub echo.=C2=A0 Clipping is used in all modern processors, the key= to it is proper filtering.=C2=A0 Look at the 9100A;=C2=A0 Bob used state v= ariable filters in front of all the compressor stages, then filtered them a= gain after clipping to reduce harmonics generated by the clipping process.= =C2=A0 To mask the clipping in the final limiter, a distortion cancellation= sidechain is used to null all harmonic distortion below a few kilohertz.= =C2=A0 The key to transparent processing is to process it gently my several= stages, not a lot in one stage. Just my thoughts, Josh Jones, CBRE ________________________________ From: wa2fnq To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:09 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers = to decode =20 =C2=A0=20 Am I missing something?? This software doesn't seem to allow for a true ass= ymetrical model so I don't think you can get a proper display of what's rea= lly happening. While I agree that forcing the positive peak to be higher ca= n lead to distortion in a diode detector do you not see what clipping does = to the waveform?? If the positve peak is naturally higher then so be it. Th= at's why you phase things like your microphone so the naturally higher posi= tive peak is in the proper direction. Being in and associated with broadcas= ting for the past 43 years, I hate to say it, but the art of audio processi= ng is lost on the current generation of broadcast engineers. I can pick out= 1 station in the NY metro area that sounds good, AM or FM and it's a high = school station. He's loud, clean and has better high end than anyone around= . And he's not using any of Orban's stuff either. Clipping is distortion and when anyone says that word it sends chills down = my back. It's better to let the natural positive peaks through rather than = clip them off for the sake of keeping your modulation symmetrical. Clipping= should be used a last resort to keep your transmitter from overmodulating = in a negative direction. That's it. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J. Henry" wrote: > > As a broadcast engineer working in a one of the largest markets in the U.= S., I disagree with this and I know of many radio broadcast engineers who f= eel similiarly. Every AM broadcast station that I am responsible for opera= tes with symmetrical modulation. >=20 > +125% peak modulation does not noticeably increase the loudness of an AM = broadcast station. Clipping the audio is a far more effective way to incre= ase preceived loudness. >=20 > If you browse through any Orban AM Optimod manual, you can read Bob Orban= 's the take on it. >=20 > To see what happens with the RF spectrum with +125% positive modulation, = download this program. >=20 > http://www.TonneSoftware.com/downloads/ModTutor.exe >=20 > Brian Henry, WB6QED >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Boogie350 wrote: > > > > AM stations need higher positive peak modulation levels to overcome=20 > > the high noise floor. Stations are not going to sacrifice those=20 > > positive peaks just so certain radios decode. Having them run=20 > > symmetrical modulation isn't going to happen.=C2=A0 > =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bhenry@saber.net Sun Aug 25 10:38:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhenry@saber.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78179 invoked by uid 102); 25 Aug 2013 17:38:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2013 17:38:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2343 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2013 17:38:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.177) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2013 17:38:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.101.142] by ng8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 17:38:31 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 17:38:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:38:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1377375065.23227.YahooMailNeo@web140403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.160.39.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.160.39.104 From: "Brian J. Henry" Subject: Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=209959345; y=Mdym9pIvjyPrHywYmkuVb09MNOhIrkQuvV7QDcVgAGE2-QXg X-Yahoo-Profile: kllkradio The original intent for allowing up to 125% positive peak modulation was to= permit naturally occuring asymmetrical audio peaks to positively modulate = the transmitter beyond 100%. Audio limiters such as the CBS 4400 Volumax e= ven used a phase rotation circuit that flips the phase of the audio signal = into the direction that maximizes the positive modulation to take advantage= of this principle further. To my knowledge, every AM broadcast audio processor that is currently being= manufactured forces the audio asymmetry after the audio has gone through a= phase rotator on the incoming audio. This approach differs from that of t= aking advantage of natural asymmetry and results in an increase in intermod= ulation distortion. The idea of the input phase rotator was first popularized by Leonard Kahn w= ith his completely passive Symmetra-peak in the early 1960s. I have recently been doing research into AM broadcast audio quality with th= e hope of coming up with a solution that will help to improve it. It does= seem that transmitting a symmetrical modulation envelope when using a mode= rn AM audio processor is one small thing that can be done that can make a m= odest improvement in the cleanliness of the transmitted RF spectrum and the= demodulated audio. I concur that the audio quality of most AM broadcast s= tations is no longer high fidelity and that the final transmission audio pr= ocessing has gotten out of hand. When listening to various AM radio statio= ns with a wide bandwidth receiver such as a Carver TX-11a/b, you are able t= o hear a wide disparity in audio fidelity from one AM station to the next. = Initially, I had thought that the NRSC recommended 10 kHz low pass filter = was the main limitation to high fidelity AM broadcast transmission, but aft= er listening to a wide variety of broadcast audio processors both new and o= ld using different bandwidth settings, I now feel that excessive multi-band= limiting and distortion cancelled clipping coupled with forced asymetrical= modulation is the root cause. Interestingly, up until the early 1970s, the FCC did not restrict positive = modulation. The only requirement was that the negative 100% modulation be = limited to infrequent reoccuring peaks. Up to that point, most AM broadcas= t transmitters had generally been designed for symmetrical modulation and d= id not have much headroom beyond 100% postive. However, in the never endin= g quest for greater loudness some enterprising broadcasters started adaptin= g their transmitters to push the positive modulation to well beyond +125% i= n some cases. One of the big selling points of the MW series pulse width m= odulated transmitters that Harris introduced in the early 1970s was their p= ositive peak modulating capability. Brian Henry, WB6QED --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Josh Jones wrote: > > Phasing mics has had little effect on loudness since processor manufactur= ers started adding phase rotators to the audio path in the early 1980's to = reduce intermod by balancing the symmetry of normally asymmetrical voice an= d brass instruments.=C2=A0 The practice of mic phasing was quite popular in= the 50's and 60's when processing also featured such funny effects as reve= rb and bathtub echo.=C2=A0 Clipping is used in all modern processors, the k= ey to it is proper filtering.=C2=A0 Look at the 9100A;=C2=A0 Bob used state= variable filters in front of all the compressor stages, then filtered them= again after clipping to reduce harmonics generated by the clipping process= .=C2=A0 To mask the clipping in the final limiter, a distortion cancellatio= n sidechain is used to null all harmonic distortion below a few kilohertz.= =C2=A0 The key to transparent processing is to process it gently my several= stages, not a lot in one stage. >=20 > Just my thoughts, >=20 > Josh Jones, CBRE >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: wa2fnq > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:09 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receiver= s to decode >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > =A0=20 >=20 > Am I missing something?? This software doesn't seem to allow for a true a= ssymetrical model so I don't think you can get a proper display of what's r= eally happening. While I agree that forcing the positive peak to be higher = can lead to distortion in a diode detector do you not see what clipping doe= s to the waveform?? If the positve peak is naturally higher then so be it. = That's why you phase things like your microphone so the naturally higher po= sitive peak is in the proper direction. Being in and associated with broadc= asting for the past 43 years, I hate to say it, but the art of audio proces= sing is lost on the current generation of broadcast engineers. I can pick o= ut 1 station in the NY metro area that sounds good, AM or FM and it's a hig= h school station. He's loud, clean and has better high end than anyone arou= nd. And he's not using any of Orban's stuff either. >=20 > Clipping is distortion and when anyone says that word it sends chills dow= n my back. It's better to let the natural positive peaks through rather tha= n clip them off for the sake of keeping your modulation symmetrical. Clippi= ng should be used a last resort to keep your transmitter from overmodulatin= g in a negative direction. That's it. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J. Henry" wrote: > > > > As a broadcast engineer working in a one of the largest markets in the = U.S., I disagree with this and I know of many radio broadcast engineers who= feel similiarly. Every AM broadcast station that I am responsible for ope= rates with symmetrical modulation. > >=20 > > +125% peak modulation does not noticeably increase the loudness of an A= M broadcast station. Clipping the audio is a far more effective way to inc= rease preceived loudness. > >=20 > > If you browse through any Orban AM Optimod manual, you can read Bob Orb= an's the take on it. > >=20 > > To see what happens with the RF spectrum with +125% positive modulation= , download this program. > >=20 > > http://www.TonneSoftware.com/downloads/ModTutor.exe > >=20 > > Brian Henry, WB6QED > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Boogie350 wrote: > > > > > > AM stations need higher positive peak modulation levels to overcome=20 > > > the high noise floor. Stations are not going to sacrifice those=20 > > > positive peaks just so certain radios decode. Having them run=20 > > > symmetrical modulation isn't going to happen.=C2=A0 > > >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sun Aug 25 11:25:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24433 invoked by uid 102); 25 Aug 2013 18:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2013 18:25:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7496 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2013 18:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng25-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (66.196.80.44) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2013 18:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 18:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.45] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 18:25:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:25:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1377375065.23227.YahooMailNeo@web140403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.81.199.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.81.199.217 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=oyQA65cB74r6nApye-71PEgJNe2EBj0RVGy6n2juMoA9 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq There are other reasons for watching microphone phase.=20 I had a lot of respect for Orban in the 70's but I don't like the way his s= tuff sounds now. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Josh Jones wrote: > > Phasing mics has had little effect on loudness since processor manufactur= ers started adding phase rotators to the audio path in the early 1980's to = reduce intermod by balancing the symmetry of normally asymmetrical voice an= d brass instruments.=C2=A0 The practice of mic phasing was quite popular in= the 50's and 60's when processing also featured such funny effects as reve= rb and bathtub echo.=C2=A0 Clipping is used in all modern processors, the k= ey to it is proper filtering.=C2=A0 Look at the 9100A;=C2=A0 Bob used state= variable filters in front of all the compressor stages, then filtered them= again after clipping to reduce harmonics generated by the clipping process= .=C2=A0 To mask the clipping in the final limiter, a distortion cancellatio= n sidechain is used to null all harmonic distortion below a few kilohertz.= =C2=A0 The key to transparent processing is to process it gently my several= stages, not a lot in one stage. >=20 > Just my thoughts, >=20 > Josh Jones, CBRE >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: wa2fnq > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:09 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receiver= s to decode >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0=20 >=20 > Am I missing something?? This software doesn't seem to allow for a true a= ssymetrical model so I don't think you can get a proper display of what's r= eally happening. While I agree that forcing the positive peak to be higher = can lead to distortion in a diode detector do you not see what clipping doe= s to the waveform?? If the positve peak is naturally higher then so be it. = That's why you phase things like your microphone so the naturally higher po= sitive peak is in the proper direction. Being in and associated with broadc= asting for the past 43 years, I hate to say it, but the art of audio proces= sing is lost on the current generation of broadcast engineers. I can pick o= ut 1 station in the NY metro area that sounds good, AM or FM and it's a hig= h school station. He's loud, clean and has better high end than anyone arou= nd. And he's not using any of Orban's stuff either. >=20 > Clipping is distortion and when anyone says that word it sends chills dow= n my back. It's better to let the natural positive peaks through rather tha= n clip them off for the sake of keeping your modulation symmetrical. Clippi= ng should be used a last resort to keep your transmitter from overmodulatin= g in a negative direction. That's it. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J. Henry" wrote: > > > > As a broadcast engineer working in a one of the largest markets in the = U.S., I disagree with this and I know of many radio broadcast engineers who= feel similiarly. Every AM broadcast station that I am responsible for ope= rates with symmetrical modulation. > >=20 > > +125% peak modulation does not noticeably increase the loudness of an A= M broadcast station. Clipping the audio is a far more effective way to inc= rease preceived loudness. > >=20 > > If you browse through any Orban AM Optimod manual, you can read Bob Orb= an's the take on it. > >=20 > > To see what happens with the RF spectrum with +125% positive modulation= , download this program. > >=20 > > http://www.TonneSoftware.com/downloads/ModTutor.exe > >=20 > > Brian Henry, WB6QED > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Boogie350 wrote: > > > > > > AM stations need higher positive peak modulation levels to overcome=20 > > > the high noise floor. Stations are not going to sacrifice those=20 > > > positive peaks just so certain radios decode. Having them run=20 > > > symmetrical modulation isn't going to happen.=C2=A0 > > >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From ninjarider100@yahoo.com Sun Aug 25 22:24:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ninjarider100@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50793 invoked by uid 102); 26 Aug 2013 05:24:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2013 05:24:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13952 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2013 05:24:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.213.138) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2013 05:24:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 05:24:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.236] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 05:24:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1045.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 05:24:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 452457.94702.bm@omp1045.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 89129 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2013 05:24:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rggZ05kVM1lucuzW09hEZLdxnpuRhryjLjQMndw0yo.cumA rVJOKYUG61NQtGxBhGXD9krVw8c4HREXjteE_Bv8oNT3cp_ZHnlfkRCuwhal XHblLpr7eDiNb6TQkl0q1VrgZEtG.WdOuzwEr_Dcf43kfh2I_Kvr8ugzYzda ETigVX.NLiOaIIFDWsUs.eIC1KUA6Le0EnavS8wLIXDNpRTgvENhKobhtG6U plsd_3ro2j1c8x1Q9IF2rsub6iAX2moLVQxZ9NR1GmQiBLHZYWzfAQvfJXoO xLyJ8Fh7rJZ058Zs8pYA24Kx5Lg.ozv4f_U.EBEVaH4sZmgXZSkipdTZlN_s rzO7.hT8UAtgOjwK4.mF.rXIIlCuWl2oBb1gyS3WqImpVLuUOirB4EzhLHb. 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Henry To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:38 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers = to decode =20 =C2=A0=20 I agree with your sentiments on modern era AM processing.=C2=A0 The situati= on becomes even worse with "HD" stations crunching their analog bandwidth d= own to 5KHz.=C2=A0 In the era where music formats are almost unheard of in = large market AM's I suppose its not that surprising. In regard to mic phasing, it is considered good practice to maintain relati= ve phase of mics, mainly to keep the unpleasant experience of headphone suc= k at bay.=C2=A0 Positive diaphram pressure equals positive signal amplitude= . Josh Jones, CBRE =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bhenry@saber.net Mon Aug 26 07:00:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhenry@saber.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54532 invoked by uid 102); 26 Aug 2013 14:00:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2013 14:00:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13609 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2013 14:00:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng16-ip6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.248) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2013 14:00:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.182] by ng16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 14:00:54 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.41] by tg7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 14:00:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:00:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1377494690.65581.YahooMailNeo@web140403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.160.39.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.160.39.104 From: "Brian J. Henry" Subject: Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=209959345; y=RfKaNwqNnesBwY2tJSB-JgPzVMlwnRQVynPDsLnnCQ1kz7aK X-Yahoo-Profile: kllkradio While doing my recent analog AM tests, my favorite "AM processor" turned ou= t to be the Orban 6200 DAB processor set up in a two-band classical mode. = The audio sounded specatular on just about every receiver that I listened o= n, narrow or wide, and was adequately loud. The 6200 also allows you to se= lect bandwidths from 5 to 20 kHz. I felt that any bandwidth setting that w= as 10 kHz or above sounded good. I haven't yet had an opportunity to exper= iement with the 6200 in AM Stereo, but I suspect that it will be quite impr= essive. I initially started this thread with the thought that perhaps the HD receiv= ers could be used to propel AM stereo forward. For a myriad of reasons, HD= Radio on the AM broadcast band does not appear to be taking hold. If HD s= ucceeds it will be because FM broadcasters were able to propel it forward. Meanwhile, if the majority of HD/DRM receivers are able to decode C-QUAM, i= t would give AM broadcasters a path forward until such a time when full dig= ital operation becomes a viable consideration (if ever). It would probably= be relatively easy for a broadcast equipment manufacturer to develop an ex= citer that could do HD, DRM, or C-QUAM and self-align itself (just like a D= TV exciter). The broadcaster could then decide which mode to operate in an= d adapt as necessary. Brian Henry, WB6QED --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Josh Jones wrote: > I agree with your sentiments on modern era AM processing.=A0 The situatio= n becomes even worse with "HD" stations crunching their analog bandwidth do= wn to 5KHz.=A0 In the era where music formats are almost unheard of in larg= e market AM's I suppose its not that surprising. > In regard to mic phasing, it is considered good practice to maintain rela= tive phase of mics, mainly to keep the unpleasant experience of headphone s= uck at bay.=A0 Positive diaphram pressure equals positive signal amplitude. >=20 > Josh Jones, CBRE From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Tue Aug 27 07:57:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11307 invoked by uid 102); 27 Aug 2013 14:57:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2013 14:57:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27099 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2013 14:57:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2013 14:57:53 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7946BEA44B for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:57:50 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:57:50 -0500 Message-Id: <20130827145407.M34722@igenesis.us> In-Reply-To: References: <1377375065.23227.YahooMailNeo@web140403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: 7946BEA44B.ABC1C X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=FjFg8NX0AxAH4GjsQjGbC7XdLe6SJ74e2nJGAXWrUS3skEfueVlp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:38:31 -0000, Brian J. Henry wrote > =A0 >I have recently been doing research into AM broadcast audio quality with t= he hope of coming up with a solution that will help to improve it. It does = seem that transmitting a symmetrical modulation envelope when using a moder= n AM audio processor is one small thing that can be done that can make a mo= dest improvement in the cleanliness of the transmitted RF spectrum and the = demodulated audio. Brian, If you accomplish that you'll almost certainly carve a niche for yourself i= n broadcast history.=A0 Your marketing strategy could ask the question "Why= would anyone care about great fidelity on AM?"=A0 The answer would be the = cleaner it leaves the tower the more intelligible it will be on the other e= nd whether it's talk or music.=A0 I'd be pleased to know when you've discov= ered the answer. Scott Todd =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bhenry@saber.net Tue Aug 27 10:44:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhenry@saber.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19929 invoked by uid 102); 27 Aug 2013 17:44:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2013 17:44:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25215 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2013 17:44:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.8) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2013 17:44:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 17:44:06 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 17:44:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:44:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130827145407.M34722@igenesis.us> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 64.160.39.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.160.39.104 From: "Brian J. Henry" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Required pilot injection level needed for HD receivers to decode {Disarmed} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=209959345; y=1Ms5Uoxh86hjT94uo0dCKWJbD_gbzKrFvfmz5vuQWvXe3JLr X-Yahoo-Profile: kllkradio It is like trying to turn the Titanic around, but if the answer is:=20 "The cleaner it leaves the tower the more intelligible it will be on the ot= her end whether it's talk or music."=20=20 Then, I think that I have already discovered it. ;) There are so many subtleties to high fidelity AM broadcast transmission. M= y experimentation has made me even more aware of just how difficult and cha= llenging it can be to transmit a truly high quality AM broadcast signal wit= hin the constraints of the current allocation scheme. For example, limiting the transmission bandwidth to 10 kHz is both a good t= hing and it is a bad thing.=20=20 It is possible using flat audio to have transmitted bandwidth beyond 20 kHz= and still comply with the current FCC RF spectrum mask. But doing so come= s at the price of a greater amount of interference to the second adjacent c= hannel than it would be it you had used the 10 kHz low pass filter with the= NRSC recommended cut off. So, which do you choose? Or, should the audio be pre-emphasized or not? Again, there are good argum= ents for both. There is no doubt in my mind that the NRSC must have really wrestled with t= hese kinds trade-offs in the 1980s before making their recommendations to t= he AM broadcast industry and the FCC. One of the (probably unintended) "consequences" of using a steep 10 kHz low= pass filter is that you can pretty much destory the audio inside the bandp= ass and not have the transmitted RF bandwidth suffer much. Without the 10 = kHz low pass filter, you would have to be much more judicious with the audi= o input quality to the transmitter to comply with the FCC's RF spectrum mas= k. Perhaps we now are relying too much on the max hold feature on our spec= trum analyzers and not enough on the actual audio distortion being generate= d below 10 kHz, but how do you measure it dynamically? Or, perhaps you jus= t mandate flat low distortion audio without low pass filtering and constant= ly monitor the RF output spectrum? There is so much more to all of this than first meets the eye...=20=20 Brian Henry =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scottn0bst" wrote: >=20 > I'd be pleased to know when you've discovered the answer. >=20 > Scott Todd From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 09:19:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59480 invoked by uid 102); 10 Sep 2013 16:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2013 16:19:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15110 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2013 16:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.235.210) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2013 16:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from [72.30.235.66] by n2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2013 16:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.242.235] by t3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2013 16:19:56 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--691502144-1160374578-1379820677=:72325 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I never said that asymmetrical modulation was good. It DOES increase the co= verage area and makes the signal a bit more robust against noise. Bob Orban= was right, and I agree with him. Your points are valid. *My* point was tha= t many stations aren't going to back it down to +100% if they're allowed +1= 25%. It's just not going to happen.=A0 =A0 Eddie & Tami Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic-type clutter h= ogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you know of any good= thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radios? PLEASE let = me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty sad. --691502144-1160374578-1379820677=:72325 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I never sa= id that asymmetrical modulation was good. It DOES increase the coverage are= a and makes the signal a bit more robust against noise. Bob Orban was right= , and I agree with him. Your points are valid. *My* point was that many sta= tions aren't going to back it down to +100% if they're allowed +125%. It's = just not going to happen. 
 
Eddie & Tami
Appreciators of Retro Music and Radios

=
Do you have some old records, radios or other old electronic= -type clutter hogging your space? I'll gladly come and fetch them! Do you k= now of any good thrift stores or flea markets with tons of records and radi= os? PLEASE let me know! The "crate digging" experience in Flint is pretty s= ad.
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multipart/alternative; boundary="-545308018-702515647-1379900638=:48628" X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} Playing catch-up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=7Ll3xOUr0BnU6hEgSeLDbdL5LVUt45aB6nf4c53FDgtp5TqR X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb ---545308018-702515647-1379900638=:48628 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0"I love AM and I love processing equipment analogic" Uaaauuuh!! Cool, I'= m also fond of Am, My Realistic Tm-152 24 hours on air. Neto Silva Brasilia DF ________________________________ De: "boogie350@yahoo.com" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Domingo, 22 de Setembro de 2013 1:21 Assunto: {AMSF} Playing catch-up =20 =20=20 I was out of town and away from internet for a few weeks. Man that was nice= ! Fishing was awesome, too.=A0 Anyway, I read a lot of posts regarding fidelity of AM vs asymmetrical modu= lation. I replied that stations aren't going to give it up. If it's done ri= ght, it's wonderful. Any transmitter since the mid 70's should have no prob= lem hitting +125% cleanly, and possibly way beyond that. I worked with a BC= 1H on a 4 tower paralellogram array that could do +140% with fresh tubes be= fore distortion became objectionable. I have a part-15 tube transmitter I h= acked together out of TV tubes that can do +120% on fresh tubes.=A0 I lost track of who analyzed AM sounds and found they didn't like the curre= nt Orban sound. I love the 9100/a/b. Superb boxes. 9200 and beyond, not so = much. I find I don't like the sound of digital processing at all, Orban or = not. My favorite setup was the CRL AM-4 stack for C-QuAM. The sound of thos= e was great. Beyond that, I like the old DAP-310 with a 222 after it, just = barely flickering.=A0 My current audio chain is like this: =A0Symmetrix 422 leveller,> 10 band EQ= > CBS AudimaxIII stereo AGC set pretty much on the right side of "expand" = just to dump a heavy thump.> Harris MSP90 tri-band AGC> Samsom stereo linit= er @ around 6 dB of limiting and a couple dB de-essing. That feeds my FM. I= take the output and distribute it to an old Altec rack mixer to get mono s= um, this goes to a UREI 1176 running about 4-6 dB limiting, then to a 222. = The FM sounds great but I'd like to replace the Samson with a CRL SMC800. T= he AM sounds good too. I run it about +110% and with the NRSC filter OUT on= the 222. Sounds like FM on most of my old analog radios and in the Dodge m= inivan.=A0 I have 3 C-QuAM radios available. The one I use most is the Realistic TM-15= 2 (other than the radio in the Van). WOAP used to be stereo but were recent= ly changed to a Hispanic format I don't listen to. But it sounds a lot bett= er on mono stations than most radios of that era. The old GM/Delcos (pre st= ereo) had some wonderful AM.=A0 Someone mentioned "the disparity of sound quality on AM" and I agree. I thi= nk listening to digital audio, squashed into puree by something like an Orb= an 9300, is simply one awful sounding signal. I also think the worst of the= lot as far as "bad sounding AM" goes to the IBOC stations. Even those who = don't rolloff at 5k still sound bad. It's just not "natural" sounding, even= in analog. I'm sure this is the digital processing involved (even on the a= nalog audio). No one is going to feed an IBOC exciter with good analog-proc= essed audio. What's the point?=A0 I think engineering AM for decent audio fidelity is a dying art. I love AM = and I love processing equipment, but I'm retired and not about to go do 14 = stations in five counties for half of what I made in the 80's. I'll help ou= t a few locals now and then, but that's it. The industry I once knew, and e= xcelled in, is not the same as it was. It's become far worse than working f= or the "can't you fix the tube" owners of the past than I could ever have i= magined.=A0 Where I'd spend weeks, no, months tweaking new processing equipment, the no= rm now is to take it out of the box, mount it, wire it, turn it on and set = the levels. Then, play with presets for a total of not more than five minut= es. Go home, forget the processor until it stops working. THAT is why so ma= ny stations sound as awful as they do. If anyone gets involved, it's the PD= , who has 40% hearing and can't hear artifacts like pumping and distortion = no matter how bad they are. They set it so the mod monitor never wiggles un= der +125% (even on FM from the sounds of it). "Well, the scale goes to +133= , so I set it at that!"=A0 BTW, I sent the current FCC Commissioner a note today, letting her know tha= t if the FCC wants to help AM stations, they need to ban IBOC on AM before = they worry about anything else. I just had to. Whether it makes any differe= nce, who knows, but I at least did something..It can't hurt. =A0 ---545308018-702515647-1379900638=:48628 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 "I l= ove AM and I love processing equipment analogic" Uaaauuuh!! Cool, I'm also = fond of Am, My Realistic Tm-152 24 hours on air.

Neto Silva
Brasilia DF
<= /span>

De: "boogie350@yahoo.com" <boogie350@yahoo.com>
= Para: amstereoforum@yahoog= roups.com
Enviadas: D= omingo, 22 de Setembro de 2013 1:21
Assunto: {AMSF} Playing catch-up

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I was out of town and away from internet for a few weeks. Man that was nice= ! Fishing was awesome, too. 

Anyway, I read a lot o= f posts regarding fidelity of AM vs asymmetrical modulation. I replied that= stations aren't going to give it up. If it's done right, it's wonderful. A= ny transmitter since the mid 70's should have no problem hitting +125% clea= nly, and possibly way beyond that. I worked with a BC1H on a 4 tower parale= llogram array that could do +140% with fresh tubes before distortion became= objectionable. I have a part-15 tube transmitter I hacked together out of = TV tubes that can do +120% on fresh tubes. 

I= lost track of who analyzed AM sounds and found they didn't like the curren= t Orban sound. I love the 9100/a/b. Superb boxes. 9200 and beyond, not so m= uch. I find I don't like the sound of digital processing at all, Orban or n= ot. My favorite setup was the CRL AM-4 stack for C-QuAM. The sound of those was great. Beyond that, I like the old DAP-310 with a 222 after i= t, just barely flickering. 

My current audio = chain is like this:  Symmetrix 422 leveller,> 10 band EQ > CBS A= udimaxIII stereo AGC set pretty much on the right side of "expand" just to = dump a heavy thump.> Harris MSP90 tri-band AGC> Samsom stereo liniter= @ around 6 dB of limiting and a couple dB de-essing. That feeds my FM. I t= ake the output and distribute it to an old Altec rack mixer to get mono sum= , this goes to a UREI 1176 running about 4-6 dB limiting, then to a 222. Th= e FM sounds great but I'd like to replace the Samson with a CRL SMC800. The= AM sounds good too. I run it about +110% and with the NRSC filter OUT on t= he 222. Sounds like FM on most of my old analog radios and in the Dodge min= ivan. 

I have 3 C-QuAM radios available. The = one I use most is the Realistic TM-152 (other than the radio in the Van). WOAP used to be stereo but were recently changed to a Hispanic forma= t I don't listen to. But it sounds a lot better on mono stations than most = radios of that era. The old GM/Delcos (pre stereo) had some wonderful AM.&n= bsp;

Someone mentioned "the disparity of sound qua= lity on AM" and I agree. I think listening to digital audio, squashed into = puree by something like an Orban 9300, is simply one awful sounding signal.= I also think the worst of the lot as far as "bad sounding AM" goes to the = IBOC stations. Even those who don't rolloff at 5k still sound bad. It's jus= t not "natural" sounding, even in analog. I'm sure this is the digital proc= essing involved (even on the analog audio). No one is going to feed an IBOC= exciter with good analog-processed audio. What's the point? 

I think engineering AM for decent audio fidelity is a dyin= g art. I love AM and I love processing equipment, but I'm retired and not about to go do 14 stations in five counties for half of what I mad= e in the 80's. I'll help out a few locals now and then, but that's it. The = industry I once knew, and excelled in, is not the same as it was. It's beco= me far worse than working for the "can't you fix the tube" owners of the pa= st than I could ever have imagined. 

Where I'= d spend weeks, no, months tweaking new processing equipment, the norm now i= s to take it out of the box, mount it, wire it, turn it on and set the leve= ls. Then, play with presets for a total of not more than five minutes. Go h= ome, forget the processor until it stops working. THAT is why so many stati= ons sound as awful as they do. If anyone gets involved, it's the PD, who ha= s 40% hearing and can't hear artifacts like pumping and distortion no matte= r how bad they are. They set it so the mod monitor never wiggles under +125= % (even on FM from the sounds of it). "Well, the scale goes to +133, so I set it at that!" 

BTW, I sent the curre= nt FCC Commissioner a note today, letting her know that if the FCC wants to= help AM stations, they need to ban IBOC on AM before they worry about anyt= hing else. I just had to. Whether it makes any difference, who knows, but I= at least did something..It can't hurt.  




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This is great news - please pass along the info on the AM Stereo Facebook page too!
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---781490481-464414633-1381407468=:54853-- From bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br Thu Oct 10 11:17:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14459 invoked by uid 102); 10 Oct 2013 18:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2013 18:17:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3093 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2013 18:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.213.147) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2013 18:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2013 18:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.212.237] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2013 18:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2013 18:17:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 353472.65374.bm@omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 32676 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2013 18:17:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S.Y0gTkVM1lGUEbtymZcHtgfvWuBqFKpfE9sD9UKxUDzG7u rRHF5zxk5EK3JS0Gvrs0sY31_xn6kSZ.noPgDXcrT X-Received: from [186.213.203.16] by web142303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:17:52 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,Q29uZ3JhdHVsYXRpb25zIEJlc3QgQXVkaW8gQW0gU3RlcmVvLgoKTmV0byBTaWx2YQpCcmFzaWxpYS9CcmFzaWwKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBEZTogImphenpldW1AeWFob28uY2EiIDxqYXp6ZXVtQHlhaG9vLmNhPgpQYXJhOiBhbXN0ZXJlb2ZvcnVtQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSAKRW52aWFkYXM6IFF1YXJ0YS1mZWlyYSwgOSBkZSBPdXR1YnJvIGRlIDIwMTMgMjI6MzUKQXNzdW50bzoge0FNU0Z9IFdSU0IgQ2FuYW5kYWlndWEsIE5ZIG5vdyBpbiBTdGVyZW8KIAoKCiABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.160.587 References: Message-ID: <1381429072.32142.YahooMailNeo@web142303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:17:52 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1270134520-925902004-1381429072=:32142" X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neto Silva Reply-To: Neto Silva Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRSB Canandaigua, NY now in Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317133267; y=dkCQn0atrJ6ok_Ra2d2AM71dFfnvXMZd51NdHgtEcfW3uLJX X-Yahoo-Profile: bigsatbsb --1270134520-925902004-1381429072=:32142 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations Best Audio Am Stereo. Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ________________________________ De: "jazzeum@yahoo.ca" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 9 de Outubro de 2013 22:35 Assunto: {AMSF} WRSB Canandaigua, NY now in Stereo =20 =20=20 Hello Group, For those in the Rochester, NY metro - I wanted to pass along that WRSB 131= 0 AM is now broadcasting in stereo. =A0 We had a 2.5KW BE Transmitter opera= ting in Mono mode that we flipped over to stereo once we put in the new dig= ital STL. Brian --1270134520-925902004-1381429072=:32142 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations Best = Audio Am Stereo.

Neto Silva
Brasilia/Brasil
=

De: "jazzeum@yahoo.ca" <jazzeum@yahoo.ca>
Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.co= m
Enviadas: Quarta-fe= ira, 9 de Outubro de 2013 22:35
A= ssunto: {AMSF} WRSB Canandaigua, NY now in Stereo

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Hello Group,

For those in the Rochester, NY metro - I wa= nted to pass along that WRSB 1310 AM is now broadcasting in stereo.   = We had a 2.5KW BE Transmitter operating in Mono mode that we flipped over t= o stereo once we put in the new digital STL.

Brian=




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Sotiris-
I have a few questions about your 100= -watt transmitter.  Can you e-mail me off-list at jay at soma1320.com?=

Thanks,
Jay
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(Oops. No pun intended.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Neto Silva Sent: 10/10/13 02:17 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRSB Canandaigua, NY now in Stereo Congratulations Best Audio Am Stereo. Neto Silva Brasilia/Brasil ----------------------------------------------------------------- De: "jazzeum@yahoo.ca" Para: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 9 de Outubro de 2013 22:35 Assunto: {AMSF} WRSB Canandaigua, NY now in Stereo Hello Group, For those in the Rochester, NY metro - I wanted to pass along that WRSB 1310 AM is now broadcasting in stereo. We had a 2.5KW BE Transmitter operating in Mono mode that we flipped over to stereo once we put in the new digital STL. Brian --========GMXBoundary27451382379175820820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good to = hear!  (Oops. No pun intended.)

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Congratulations Best Audio Am Stereo.

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 --========GMXBoundary27451382379175820820-- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 22 05:39:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22089 invoked by uid 102); 22 Oct 2013 12:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2013 12:39:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28212 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2013 12:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.81) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2013 12:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2013 12:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.88.238] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2013 12:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2013 12:39:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 270488.57275.bm@omp1038.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 76502 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2013 12:39:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 24vqxIkVM1lSfpIgRUtIAbKfLcMePtnHSCvNI329rwK5dCl dClrA7nZgHD0NAHIpE8A0O3_IWVPQ0C.qgiejAZIi7KX0X.dmJHrEPvWp6uH 6YZIER427bd1XyW7wLF1S7m8gtSL9VjVzQhtcOpdEHiWt8P6q3IbZkcrbgIn KhH9upZXX2pdCe2IRA0qWu0vmVJDCHyo1uo1F9DnUXwmWKKNVlCMIxWK13MT XqK_roJOZ7Yyh_PvvHutaBMNiK9ADNkLxwDxDVwAnZC7SJFmI52MISk7uyxt QmF6LJivPp4MtLKnkFUjGDMGM8Nx_4TdLmUQKM5hhhB2e..LlvHTHvtmNM.j q6F4vNgrlfZAAq11dZ.8Vjrb.k25niRhGzXqrjMZzDM_wzOY0LvTcqg5hXIO VZNbJDcl6EPnwyu7FPMFi.HQU.w6M076ECE2GCv4hLVh99Zva7CsvFntjWWp HWJIiUbklg_ZO0CGswnh5IU28d__0SF_ENU1wkHwLiR_ivW0OY42YnTQurAU pavCiiFmi5z12sH8iUu.FZoPpsX4bABS97WjqINuedLo6ZbA7xxeKDQYN2dR aKrGE5xP7NnQkjqPyIbw.cwlcH65eTvM- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web125505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 05:39:46 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,RGlkIHNvbWVib2R5IG9uIHRoZSBsaXN0IGhlcmUgc2NvcmUgdGhhdCBuZXcgaW4gdGhlIGJveCBTb255IFNSRi1BMTAwIHJhZGlvIG9uIGZsZWFCYXk_ClRoYXQncyB0aGUgMXN0IHRpbWUgSSd2ZSBldmVyeSBzZWVuIGEgc2VhbGVkIG9uZSBmb3Igc2FsZSEBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.160.587 Message-ID: <1382445586.76421.YahooMailNeo@web125505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 05:39:46 -0700 (PDT) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-781490481-322197212-1382445586=:76421" X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: John Reply-To: John Subject: SRF-A100 ! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=EDl9XHxtQw76qo0He24oH-ja_jQDvNkU51PlLACmrRup9EO4id1BzrE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio ---781490481-322197212-1382445586=:76421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Did somebody on the list here score that new in the box Sony SRF-A100 radio on fleaBay? That's the 1st time I've every seen a sealed one for sale! ---781490481-322197212-1382445586=:76421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Did somebody on the list here score that new in the box Sony SRF-A100 radio on fleaBay?
That's the 1st time I've every seen a sealed one for sale!
 
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Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo web site address X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CEEE8D.3EB87B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great to have it back! Thanks =E2=80=93 Dick W. From: kevtronics@yahoo.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:40 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: {AMSF} New AM Stereo web site address =20=20 My AM Stereo web site was offline for a few months due to Verizon screwing = things up, but now I have created a new domain for it, and it is now access= ible at: http://www.amstereo.org/ Please update your bookmarks accordingly. I know the station listings are y= ears out of date, but you can find an up-to-date listing of AM Stereo stati= ons in the USA on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:AM_Stereo_radio_stations_in_the_Unite= d_States Thanks for your support! ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CEEE8D.3EB87B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great to have it back!  Thanks =E2=80=93
Dick W.
 
 
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:40 PM
Subject: {AMSF} New AM Stereo web site address
 
 =20

My AM Stereo web site was offline for a few months due to Verizon screwi= ng=20 things up, but now I have created a new domain for it, and it is now access= ible=20 at:

 

http://www.amstereo.org/

 

Please update your bookmarks accordingly. I know the station listings ar= e=20 years out of date, but you can find an up-to-date listing of AM Stereo stat= ions=20 in the USA on Wikipedia:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:AM_Stereo_radio_stati= ons_in_the_United_States

 

Thanks for your support!

 

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CEEE8D.3EB87B00-- From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sun Dec 01 22:53:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53629 invoked by uid 102); 2 Dec 2013 06:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.37) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2013 06:53:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24129 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2013 06:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.152) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2013 06:53:13 -0000 X-Received: from nskntcmgw06p ([61.9.169.166]) by nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20131202065311.WDRI2028.nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntcmgw06p> for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 06:53:11 +0000 X-Received: from DavoPC ([124.190.32.178]) by nskntcmgw06p with BigPond Outbound id wWtB1m00M3qbcCk01WtBkk; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 06:53:11 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Obga/2vY c=1 sm=1 a=9uh3FJsz/2+VjTCX7o+48Q==:17 a=KElwP_DaQI0A:10 a=JDadKst33uMA:10 a=1IlZJK9HAAAA:8 a=9zyxCq4idowA:10 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=DjHQCacHAAAA:8 a=jP-rwCTjBcg--0hHwKYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=3ZnJIgc1yQnv5ZZR9yIA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=z-WQ00YsCJPnnMMu:21 a=9uh3FJsz/2+VjTCX7o+48Q==:117 To: References: <7E20121BB96241B7A5931266311E9A40@RichardPC> In-Reply-To: <7E20121BB96241B7A5931266311E9A40@RichardPC> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:53:10 +1100 Message-ID: <5FD638BC5FA74595A4E94589D8CB7A8A@DavoPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0089_01CEEF87.5DB094C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 Thread-Index: Ac7utysbA5TFKb4/RJqKjHbvCQv0vgAcCkNA X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "ian davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AM Stereo web site address X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01CEEF87.5DB094C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sincere thanks Kevin for all you've done for "the Cause" over many years! While cleaning up the spare (junk) room just this weekend I stumbled over the remainder of a pile of coloured doublesided A4 handouts that I used to leave on Melbourne trams and trains in the year 2000. All of the text was approved by the IAAAS - International Alliance for the Advancement of AM Stereo. This of course was in the days when Melbourne had six full powered stations pumping out the Cquam signal, and was arguably the AM Stereo capital of the world. Things have all changed and we've had DAB+ for a few years now and I'm more than happy with it. For what's it's worth I do miss the fight and interaction. You all are a wonderful bunch of advocates for what we knew was worth fighting for. Hope you're all doing well and have a great Christmas, Hanukkah or whatever. Seasons greetings to all! Ian DownUnder _____ From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dick W. Great to have it back! Thanks - Dick W. From: kevtronics@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:40 PM My AM Stereo web site was offline for a few months due to Verizon screwing things up, but now I have created a new domain for it, and it is now accessible at: http://www.amstereo.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01CEEF87.5DB094C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Sincere thanks Kevin for all you've done for "the C= ause"=20 over many years!
 
While cleaning up the spare (junk) room just t= his=20 weekend I stumbled over the remainder of a pile of coloured doublesided A4= =20 handouts that I used to leave on Melbourne trams and trains in the year=20 2000.  All of the text was approved by the IAAAS - International Allia= nce=20 for the Advancement of AM Stereo. 
 
This of course was in the days when Melbourne had s= ix full=20 powered stations pumping out the Cquam signal, and was arguably t= he AM=20 Stereo capital of the world.  Things have all changed and we've had DA= B+=20 for a few years now and I'm more than happy with it.
 
For what's it's worth I do miss the fight and=20 interaction.  You all are a wonderful bunch of advocates for= what=20 we knew was worth fighting for.  Hope you're all doing well and have a= =20 great Christmas, Hanukkah or whatever. 
 
Seasons greetings to all! 
 
Ian
DownUnder

From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dick=20 W.
 

Great to have it back!  Thanks –
Dick W.
 
 
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:40 PM
 = =20

My AM Stereo web site was offline for a few months due to Verizon screwi= ng=20 things up, but now I have created a new domain for it, and it is now access= ible=20 at:

http://www.amstereo.org/

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Hi Gang  There is some thing that som= e in the=20 FCC wants to do that is very bad for AM.  Thay want to drop analog and= go=20 all digital on AM. Please don't let this happen to our AM band. J= im=20 Smith
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NOT going to happen. 


Powell
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NNNN=20=20
POP email is powell at backroads DOT net

From: jim smith <jimsmith95650@sbcglob= al.net>
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 =20


Hi Gang  There is some thing that= some in the=20 FCC wants to do that is very bad for AM.  Thay want to drop analog and= go=20 all digital on AM. Please don't let this happen to our AM band. J= im=20 Smith



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 =20

NOT going to happen. 


 Powell
 
NNNN
POP email is powell at backroads DOT net

From:<= /SPAN>=20 jim smith <jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net= >


Hi Gang  There is some thing that= some in=20 the FCC wants to do that is very bad for AM.  Thay want to drop an= alog=20 and go all digital on AM. Please don't let this happen to our=20 AM band. Jim Smith



------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CEF6F7.299049C0-- From amfmdx@centurytel.net Thu Dec 12 05:07:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@centurytel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90488 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 13:07:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 13:07:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18933 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 13:07:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com) (209.235.152.153) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 13:07:30 -0000 X-Authenticated-User: amfmdx.centurytel.net X-Received: from [192.168.2.10] (75-120-211-28.dyn.centurytel.net [75.120.211.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rBCD7RhP007152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:07:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-524553894 X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:07:26 -0600 Message-Id: <8BEAC910-2F79-441B-A7DE-3AB4DF002FAA@centurytel.net> References: <77D7DD7193194EE2BB1885CE41921AF2@jim51acdbd9d7e> <1386832880.82243.YahooMailNeo@web121303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=pse/jv4UoeQxIyqYEkhanAvChYt65+EBOE+5QIOhbCI= c=1 sm=1 a=nuq5LEzNfbEA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=Cdol4n/03XCkaPIVU/+QQQ==:17 a=sEprr8UoMxPugZDYKLAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=dlmrkuorr08A:10 a=P8LTcYwyaGwA:10 a=3eZJHQcnJrM4qUNuKmIA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Cdol4n/03XCkaPIVU/+QQQ==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.52A9B511.01A2,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=348428246; y=o9llzJ_lAT_s0yetvzFcj_0GhKHLzBfeedVIOi7LJl5V4DSDHw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla --Apple-Mail-1-524553894 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Dec 12, 2013, at 7:01 AM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Powell I hope your right!!! Look happend to broacast TV. Jim Smith Ain't happenin. No one has HD. No one wants HD. If it will happen it will b= e many many many many years in the future.=20 Still, it ain't happenin.=20 Kevin Crump, TN --Apple-Mail-1-524553894 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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Hi Powell  I hope your = right!!!  Look happend to broacast TV. Jim Smith

Ain't happenin. No one has HD. No one wants HD. If it w= ill happen it will be many many many many years in the future. 
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Still, it ain't happenin. 

Kevin
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--Apple-Mail-1-524553894-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Dec 12 05:28:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88228 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 13:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 13:28:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21522 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 13:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vc0-f175.google.com) (209.85.220.175) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 13:28:25 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ld13so267702vcb.34 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:28:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.91.10 with SMTP id k10mr3871813vcm.7.1386854905518; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:28:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.220.249.7 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:28:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.220.249.7 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:28:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <77D7DD7193194EE2BB1885CE41921AF2@jim51acdbd9d7e> <1386832880.82243.YahooMailNeo@web121303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:28:25 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b34408cffa2d704ed5651f8 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=a2CwhgqaXIw3V5I5Csu3OQ89m4xaFX_LGTD68TV-Z8dcz4nY X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker --047d7b34408cffa2d704ed5651f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim. It's a bit different. With broadcast TV, you can fit more digital channels into the old 6/7 mhz ensemble. The development of compression codecs enabled this. This is possible because video has a lot of redundancy. More video streams means more advertising income. For the broadcast MW/AM band, you probably couldn't fit more than one (aac) high quality digital channel into the allocated 20khz without affecting reception range. Have a look at Digital radio Mondiale for info about the data rates that are achievable with a 20khz MW channel. Hope this helps. Dan On Dec 12, 2013 9:01 PM, "jim smith" wrote: > > > Hi Powell I hope your right!!! Look happend to broacast TV. Jim Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Powell E. Way III > *To:* amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon > > > > NOT going to happen. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > ------------------------------ > *From:* jim smith > > > Hi Gang There is some thing that some in the FCC wants to do that is ver= y > bad for AM. Thay want to drop analog and go all digital on AM. Please > don't let this happen to our AM band. Jim Smith > > > >=20=20=20 > --047d7b34408cffa2d704ed5651f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jim.

It's a bit different. With broadcast TV, you can fit more digital ch= annels into the old 6/7 mhz ensemble. The development of compression codecs= enabled this. This is possible because video has a lot of redundancy.=A0 M= ore video streams means more advertising income.

For the broadcast MW/AM band, you probably couldn't fit more than on= e (aac) high quality digital channel into the allocated 20khz without affec= ting reception range. Have a look at Digital radio Mondiale for info about = the data rates that are achievable with a 20khz MW channel.

Hope this helps.

Dan

On Dec 12, 2013 9:01 PM, "jim smith" &= lt;jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.n= et> wrote:
=A0
=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20

Hi Powell=A0 I hope your right!!!=A0 Look=20 happend to broacast TV. Jim Smith
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Powell E. Way III=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 = 11:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM=20 soon

=A0=20

NOT going to happen.=A0


Powell
=A0
NNNN
POP email is powell at backroads DOT net

From:=20 jim smith <jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net>


Hi Gang=A0 There is some thing that some in=20 the FCC wants to do that is very bad for AM.=A0 Thay want to drop analo= g=20 and go all digital on AM. Please don't let this happen to=A0our=20 AM=A0band. Jim Smith



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Thank you. The FCC wants input from us before ea= rly next year about AM radio impuvments. I read one thing thay also want t= o do is to supress sky wave to improvment interfeants at night . Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel Piccoli=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:28 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon =20=20=20=20 Hi Jim. It's a bit different. With broadcast TV, you can fit more digital channel= s into the old 6/7 mhz ensemble. The development of compression codecs enab= led this. This is possible because video has a lot of redundancy. More vid= eo streams means more advertising income.=20 For the broadcast MW/AM band, you probably couldn't fit more than one (aa= c) high quality digital channel into the allocated 20khz without affecting = reception range. Have a look at Digital radio Mondiale for info about the d= ata rates that are achievable with a 20khz MW channel. Hope this helps.=20 Dan On Dec 12, 2013 9:01 PM, "jim smith" wrote: =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Powell I hope your right!!! Look happend to broacast TV. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Powell E. Way III=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:21 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 NOT going to happen.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jim smith Hi Gang There is some thing that some in the FCC wants to do that = is very bad for AM. Thay want to drop analog and go all digital on AM. Ple= ase don't let this happen to our AM band. Jim Smith =20=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CEF6FD.2E8C52B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Hi Dan Yes it dose help. Thank you.&= nbsp; The=20 FCC wants input from us before early next year about AM radio impuvments.&n= bsp;=20 I read one thing thay also want to do is to supress sky wave to improv= ment=20 interfeants at night . Jim Smith
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Da= niel=20 Piccoli
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.c= om=20
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 = 5:28=20 AM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM= =20 soon

 =20

Hi Jim.

It's a bit different. With broadcast TV, you can fit more digital chan= nels=20 into the old 6/7 mhz ensemble. The development of compression codecs enab= led=20 this. This is possible because video has a lot of redundancy.  More = video=20 streams means more advertising income.

For the broadcast MW/AM band, you probably couldn't fit more than one = (aac)=20 high quality digital channel into the allocated 20khz without affecting=20 reception range. Have a look at Digital radio Mondiale for info about the= data=20 rates that are achievable with a 20khz MW channel.

Hope this helps.

Dan

On Dec 12, 2013 9:01 PM, "jim smith" <jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net>=20 wrote:
=
 =20

Hi Powell  I hope your right!!!  Look= =20 happend to broacast TV. Jim Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: Powell=20 E. Way III
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, = 2013=20 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal= AM=20 soon

 =20

NOT going to happen. 


Powell
 
NNNN
POP email is powell at backroads DOT net

From: jim=20 smith <jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net>


Hi Gang  There is some thing that some= in the=20 FCC wants to do that is very bad for AM.  Thay want to drop an= alog=20 and go all digital on AM. Please don't let this happen to our= =20 AM band. Jim Smith



------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CEF6FD.2E8C52B0-- From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Dec 12 06:54:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15702 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 14:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m17.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 14:54:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16670 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 14:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173021pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.21) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 14:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [71.100.129.108]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MXP008YY82UU1J0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:54:31 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <98457A3F49E14682B2D9BFC2201BC2F7@RichardPC> To: References: <77D7DD7193194EE2BB1885CE41921AF2@jim51acdbd9d7e> <1386832880.82243.YahooMailNeo@web121303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:54:28 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CEF720.258FD380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CEF720.258FD380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just as with the old c-quam am stereo, it=92s all about receivers. Regardl= ess of technical merit, a transmitting system will only succeed if the rece= ivers are out there. And just as was the case with c-quam, the IBOC receiv= ers are only available in vehicles. Unless manufacturers start making some= affordable IBOC portable and table model home receivers, am IBOC is dead. = It=92s just a matter of how long the stations bother to keep it on. (And = this doesn=92t even take into account the lack of music programming on am.) Dick W. From: Daniel Piccoli=20 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:28 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon =20=20 Hi Jim. It's a bit different. With broadcast TV, you can fit more digital channels = into the old 6/7 mhz ensemble. The development of compression codecs enable= d this. This is possible because video has a lot of redundancy. More video= streams means more advertising income.=20 For the broadcast MW/AM band, you probably couldn't fit more than one (aac)= high quality digital channel into the allocated 20khz without affecting re= ception range. Have a look at Digital radio Mondiale for info about the dat= a rates that are achievable with a 20khz MW channel. Hope this helps.=20 Dan On Dec 12, 2013 9:01 PM, "jim smith" wrote: =20=20=20=20 Hi Powell I hope your right!!! Look happend to broacast TV. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Powell E. Way III=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:21 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon =20=20=20=20=20=20 NOT going to happen.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jim smith Hi Gang There is some thing that some in the FCC wants to do that is= very bad for AM. Thay want to drop analog and go all digital on AM. Pleas= e don't let this happen to our AM band. Jim Smith ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CEF720.258FD380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just as with the old c-quam am stereo, it=92s all about receivers.&nbs= p;=20 Regardless of technical merit, a transmitting system will only succeed if t= he=20 receivers are out there.  And just as was the case with c-quam, the IB= OC=20 receivers are only available in vehicles.  Unless manufacturers start= =20 making some affordable IBOC portable and table model home receivers, am IBO= C is=20 dead.  It=92s just a matter of how long the stations bother to keep it= =20 on.  (And this doesn=92t even take into account the lack of music prog= ramming=20 on am.)
Dick W.
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon
 
 =20

Hi Jim.

It's a bit different. With broadcast TV, you can fit more digital channe= ls=20 into the old 6/7 mhz ensemble. The development of compression codecs enable= d=20 this. This is possible because video has a lot of redundancy.  More vi= deo=20 streams means more advertising income.

For the broadcast MW/AM band, you probably couldn't fit more than one (a= ac)=20 high quality digital channel into the allocated 20khz without affecting=20 reception range. Have a look at Digital radio Mondiale for info about the d= ata=20 rates that are achievable with a 20khz MW channel.

Hope this helps.

Dan

On Dec 12, 2013 9:01 PM, "jim smith" <jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net= >=20 wrote:
 =20

Hi Powell  I hope your right!!!  Look h= append=20 to broacast TV. Jim Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: Powell E.=20 Way III
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 20= 13=20 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal A= M=20 soon
 
 =20

NOT going to happen.


Powell
 
NNNN
POP email is powell at backroads DOT net
 
From:<= /B> jim=20 smith <jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net>


Hi Gang  There is some thing that some i= n the=20 FCC wants to do that is very bad for AM.  Thay want to drop anal= og=20 and go all digital on AM. Please don't let this happen to our AM band= . Jim=20 Smith


 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CEF720.258FD380-- From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 12 07:11:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60514 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 15:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m15.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 15:11:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10030 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 15:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng8-ip5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.175) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 15:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.101.140] by ng8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2013 15:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.108] by tg10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2013 15:11:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:11:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <98457A3F49E14682B2D9BFC2201BC2F7@RichardPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 68.72.218.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.218.228 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=nn_6us43ba8eTSDyUuI0BkRxLtPwgnJjvy9BVBQjnH2IUZAG9ZHUG4bxDvyh97jN6Z5isv3v X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Dick I have seen some cheep portable HD Radios but they are FM HD only.= I agree with every one here on the forum that AM should stay analog only. = I live 23 miles from Sacramento Ca and i can't get one AM HD station here. = And there are two AM HD stations here KFBK AM HD 1530 50kw analog and KHTK = AM HD 1140 50kw analog. KIID AM 1470 5kw analog HD has been off for months = now. Jim Smith Loomis Ca --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > Just as with the old c-quam am stereo, it's all about receivers. Regardl= ess of technical merit, a transmitting system will only succeed if the rece= ivers are out there. And just as was the case with c-quam, the IBOC receiv= ers are only available in vehicles. Unless manufacturers start making some= affordable IBOC portable and table model home receivers, am IBOC is dead. = It's just a matter of how long the stations bother to keep it on. (And th= is doesn't even take into account the lack of music programming on am.) > Dick W. >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Daniel Piccoli=20 > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:28 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > Hi Jim. >=20 > It's a bit different. With broadcast TV, you can fit more digital channel= s into the old 6/7 mhz ensemble. The development of compression codecs enab= led this. This is possible because video has a lot of redundancy. More vid= eo streams means more advertising income.=20 >=20 > For the broadcast MW/AM band, you probably couldn't fit more than one (aa= c) high quality digital channel into the allocated 20khz without affecting = reception range. Have a look at Digital radio Mondiale for info about the d= ata rates that are achievable with a 20khz MW channel. >=20 > Hope this helps.=20 >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 > On Dec 12, 2013 9:01 PM, "jim smith" wrote: >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > Hi Powell I hope your right!!! Look happend to broacast TV. Jim Smith > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Powell E. Way III=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:21 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > NOT going to happen.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > From: jim smith >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang There is some thing that some in the FCC wants to do that = is very bad for AM. Thay want to drop analog and go all digital on AM. Ple= ase don't let this happen to our AM band. Jim Smith > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67556 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 15:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m15.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 15:45:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12907 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 15:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qe0-f51.google.com) (209.85.128.51) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 15:45:56 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qe0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 1so462331qee.38 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:45:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.28.72 with SMTP id l8mr7097125qac.35.1386863156475; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:45:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o5sm64731617qeg.2.2013.12.12.07.45.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:45:55 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6B99376F-6C47-4911-90F5-3642CFF649E4" Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:45:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: Message-Id: <21582AD9-CBF3-47F5-A98E-3EA707A3A219@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=HTUqpbDoZe4idBrVDDiUjU6QpikS_-lQXJZwB-hkjreCp_x_QLQ-VWPcJD3tPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 --Apple-Mail=_6B99376F-6C47-4911-90F5-3642CFF649E4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:11 AM, jim smith wrote: > I agree with every one here on the forum that AM should stay analog only.= =20 If they mandated Digital Radio like they did Digital TV, there would be Mil= lions of Analog Pirates on the air the next day to listen to. When they just talked about forcing Digital Radio only in the UK, Thousand = of new Pirates popped up in London the next day! Just think what it would b= e like if they forced all radio off of Analog. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn --Apple-Mail=_6B99376F-6C47-4911-90F5-3642CFF649E4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
On Dec 12, 2= 013, at 10:11 AM, jim smith wrote:

I agree with every one here on the= forum that AM should stay analog only. 



=
If they mandated Digital Radio like they did Digital TV, there would b= e Millions of Analog Pirates on the air the next day to listen to.

When they just talked about forcing Digital Radio only in = the UK, Thousand of new Pirates popped up in London the next day! Just thin= k what it would be like if they forced all radio off of Analog.
<= br>

73,
Kevin Raper=
KJ4HYD
CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ

There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a ma= thematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leon= ard Kahn



--Apple-Mail=_6B99376F-6C47-4911-90F5-3642CFF649E4-- From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Dec 12 07:53:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43087 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 15:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m13.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 15:53:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20026 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 15:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 15:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [71.100.129.108]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MXP00DR4ASPD7B0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:53:15 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <07E8158E42E44919A2B9520C093DA882@RichardPC> To: References: <21582AD9-CBF3-47F5-A98E-3EA707A3A219@gmail.com> In-reply-to: <21582AD9-CBF3-47F5-A98E-3EA707A3A219@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:53:11 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CEF728.59EB7A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CEF728.59EB7A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here=E2=80=99s a technical question: It=E2=80=99s understood that an analo= g-only am receiver won=E2=80=99t receive an all-digital signal =E2=80=93 an= d vice versa =E2=80=93 but do analog and digital signals on the same freque= ncy interfere with each other? Technically speaking, could an analog am st= ation broadcast at the same time on the same frequency with an am digital s= tation and be receivable on the appropriate receiver? (I would suspect not= .) Dick W. From: Kevin Raper=20 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:45 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon =20=20 =20 On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:11 AM, jim smith wrote: I agree with every one here on the forum that AM should stay analog only.= =20 If they mandated Digital Radio like they did Digital TV, there would be Mil= lions of Analog Pirates on the air the next day to listen to. When they just talked about forcing Digital Radio only in the UK, Thousand = of new Pirates popped up in London the next day! Just think what it would b= e like if they forced all radio off of Analog. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CEF728.59EB7A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here=E2=80=99s a technical question:  It=E2=80=99s understood tha= t an analog-only am=20 receiver won=E2=80=99t receive an all-digital signal =E2=80=93 and vice ver= sa =E2=80=93 but do analog=20 and digital signals on the same frequency interfere with each other? = =20 Technically speaking, could an analog am station broadcast at the same time= on=20 the same frequency with an am digital station and be receivable on the=20 appropriate receiver?  (I would suspect not.)
Dick W.
 
 
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=20

On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:11 AM, jim smith wrote:
I=20 agree with every one here on the forum that AM should stay analog only. 

 
 
If they mandated Digital Radio like they did Digital TV, there would b= e=20 Millions of Analog Pirates on the air the next day to listen to.
 
When they just talked about forcing Digital Radio only in the UK, Thou= sand=20 of new Pirates popped up in London the next day! Just think what it would b= e=20 like if they forced all radio off of Analog.
 
 
73,
Kevin=20 Raper
KJ4HYD CE=20 WCKI WQIZ WLTQ
  There=20 is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoin= t, AM=20 does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn
 


------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CEF728.59EB7A00-- From w6ws@earthlink.net Thu Dec 12 08:00:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6ws@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59989 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 16:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m13.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 16:00:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26720 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 16:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 16:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from [99.66.144.66] (helo=[192.168.1.106]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Vr8h5-0007JH-8c for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:00:55 -0500 Message-ID: <52A9DDB5.1040106@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:00:53 -0800 Organization: Very little User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <77D7DD7193194EE2BB1885CE41921AF2@jim51acdbd9d7e> <1386832880.82243.YahooMailNeo@web121303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <98457A3F49E14682B2D9BFC2201BC2F7@RichardPC> In-Reply-To: <98457A3F49E14682B2D9BFC2201BC2F7@RichardPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: bd16f1146586632f4d2b10475b571120564a7ffebc5b65eaddc3dbc74725900c8e4bf1da9183d7cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W Spector Subject: Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23257389; y=UUwEXjvqkIUq5W3N4w3mtolzZCGlpcIJAavvkgAWvw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6ws With HDTV, there were a few mitigating factors, including: - After getting used to computer monitors, analog TV looked horrible. Though admittedly with 3D digital comb filters and the like, the newest best sets had a fairly nice picture - Lots of folks were beginning to replace their CRT sets with LCD/LED anyway - A couple of billion taxpayer dollars, including $700+m from the so-called Economic Stimulus Act, were spent for "free" digital conversion boxes so old sets could still be used. Remember all those coupons? - The Feds were able to sell off spectrum to other users Little of that seems relevent to the AM broadcast band. Walt w6ws On 12/12/2013 06:54 AM, Dick W. wrote: > > > Just as with the old c-quam am stereo, it’s all about receivers. > Regardless of technical merit, a transmitting system will only succeed > if the receivers are out there. And just as was the case with c-quam, > the IBOC receivers are only available in vehicles. Unless manufacturers > start making some affordable IBOC portable and table model home > receivers, am IBOC is dead. It’s just a matter of how long the stations > bother to keep it on. (And this doesn’t even take into account the lack > of music programming on am.) > Dick W. > *From:* Daniel Piccoli > *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:28 AM > *To:* amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon > > Hi Jim. > > It's a bit different. With broadcast TV, you can fit more digital > channels into the old 6/7 mhz ensemble. The development of compression > codecs enabled this. This is possible because video has a lot of > redundancy. More video streams means more advertising income. > > For the broadcast MW/AM band, you probably couldn't fit more than one > (aac) high quality digital channel into the allocated 20khz without > affecting reception range. Have a look at Digital radio Mondiale for > info about the data rates that are achievable with a 20khz MW channel. > > Hope this helps. > > Dan > > On Dec 12, 2013 9:01 PM, "jim smith" > wrote: > > __ > > __ > > Hi Powell I hope your right!!! Look happend to broacast TV. Jim Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Powell E. Way III > *To:* amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: {AMSF} All digtal AM soon > > NOT going to happen. > > > Powell > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* jim smith > > > > Hi Gang There is some thing that some in the FCC wants to > do that is very bad for AM. Thay want to drop analog and go > all digital on AM. Please don't let this happen to our AM > band. Jim Smith > > > > > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Dec 12 08:00:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51152 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 16:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m14.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 16:00:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26909 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 16:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ve0-f180.google.com) (209.85.128.180) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 16:00:59 -0000 X-Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id jz11so454420veb.11 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:00:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.103.35 with SMTP id ft3mr3576206vdb.5.1386864059182; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:00:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.220.249.7 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:00:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.220.249.7 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:00:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <07E8158E42E44919A2B9520C093DA882@RichardPC> References: <21582AD9-CBF3-47F5-A98E-3EA707A3A219@gmail.com> <07E8158E42E44919A2B9520C093DA882@RichardPC> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 00:00:59 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff24d9b99753304ed5873d6 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=mP_K-gLY-4O2fyVY_VYrnzeDboBWEimG8hXf4oD0Sam4uoqe X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker --e89a8ff24d9b99753304ed5873d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No. The receiver would see the sum of the two transmissions. Nasty ;) On Dec 12, 2013 11:53 PM, "Dick W." wrote: > > > Here=92s a technical question: It=92s understood that an analog-only am > receiver won=92t receive an all-digital signal =96 and vice versa =96 but= do > analog and digital signals on the same frequency interfere with each > other? Technically speaking, could an analog am station broadcast at the > same time on the same frequency with an am digital station and be > receivable on the appropriate receiver? (I would suspect not.) > Dick W. > > > *From:* Kevin Raper > *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:45 AM > *To:* amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon > > > > On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:11 AM, jim smith wrote: > > I agree with every one here on the forum that AM should stay analog only. > > > > > If they mandated Digital Radio like they did Digital TV, there would be > Millions of Analog Pirates on the air the next day to listen to. > > When they just talked about forcing Digital Radio only in the UK, Thousan= d > of new Pirates popped up in London the next day! Just think what it would > be like if they forced all radio off of Analog. > > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > >=20=20 > --e89a8ff24d9b99753304ed5873d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No. The receiver would see the sum of the two transmissions. Nasty ;)

On Dec 12, 2013 11:53 PM, "Dick W." &l= t;dwtpa97@verizon.net> wrote:=
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Here=92s a technical question:=A0 It=92s understood that an analog-onl= y am=20 receiver won=92t receive an all-digital signal =96 and vice versa =96 but d= o analog=20 and digital signals on the same frequency interfere with each other?=A0=20 Technically speaking, could an analog am station broadcast at the same time= on=20 the same frequency with an am digital station and be receivable on the=20 appropriate receiver?=A0 (I would suspect not.)
Dick W.
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Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon
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On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:11 AM, jim smith wrote:

I=20 agree with every one here on the forum that AM should stay analog only.=A0

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If they mandated Digital Radio like they did Digital TV, there would b= e=20 Millions of Analog Pirates on the air the next day to listen to.
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When they just talked about forcing Digital Radio only in the UK, Thou= sand=20 of new Pirates popped up in London the next day! Just think what it would b= e=20 like if they forced all radio off of Analog.
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73,
Kevin=20 Raper
KJ4HYD
CE=20 WCKI WQIZ WLTQ
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There=20 is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoin= t, AM=20 does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn
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You can send in comments to the FCC on their ECFS website regarding digital AM and other AM ideas by commenting on Docket MB 13-249.
I will be, hope you will too.
---781490481-1541827981-1386865102=:85919-- From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Dec 12 08:26:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77019 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 16:26:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m15.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 16:26:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24254 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 16:26:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173015pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.15) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 16:26:13 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [71.100.129.108]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MXP00KTLCBJQA80@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:26:09 -0600 (CST) Message-id: To: References: <21582AD9-CBF3-47F5-A98E-3EA707A3A219@gmail.com> <07E8158E42E44919A2B9520C093DA882@RichardPC> In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:26:05 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01CEF72C.F27E0590" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CEF72C.F27E0590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Daniel =96 Dick=20 From: Daniel Piccoli=20 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:00 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon =20=20 No. The receiver would see the sum of the two transmissions. Nasty ;) On Dec 12, 2013 11:53 PM, "Dick W." wrote: =20=20=20=20 Here=92s a technical question: It=92s understood that an analog-only am = receiver won=92t receive an all-digital signal =96 and vice versa =96 but d= o analog and digital signals on the same frequency interfere with each othe= r? Technically speaking, could an analog am station broadcast at the same = time on the same frequency with an am digital station and be receivable on = the appropriate receiver? (I would suspect not.) Dick W. From: Kevin Raper=20 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:45 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon =20=20=20=20 On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:11 AM, jim smith wrote: I agree with every one here on the forum that AM should stay analog onl= y.=20 If they mandated Digital Radio like they did Digital TV, there would be M= illions of Analog Pirates on the air the next day to listen to. When they just talked about forcing Digital Radio only in the UK, Thousan= d of new Pirates popped up in London the next day! Just think what it would= be like if they forced all radio off of Analog. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CEF72C.F27E0590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Daniel =96
Dick
 
 
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon
 
 =20

No. The receiver would see the sum of the two transmissions. Nasty ;)

On Dec 12, 2013 11:53 PM, "Dick W." <dwtpa97@verizon.net> wrote:
 =20

Here=92s a technical question:  It=92s understood that an analo= g-only am=20 receiver won=92t receive an all-digital signal =96 and vice versa =96 but= do analog=20 and digital signals on the same frequency interfere with each other? = ;=20 Technically speaking, could an analog am station broadcast at the same ti= me on=20 the same frequency with an am digital station and be receivable on the=20 appropriate receiver?  (I would suspect not.)
Dick W.
 
 
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon
 
 =20

On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:11 AM, jim smith wrote:

I=20 agree with every one here on the forum that AM should stay analog=20 only. 

 
 
If they mandated Digital Radio like they did Digital TV, there would= be=20 Millions of Analog Pirates on the air the next day to listen to.
 
When they just talked about forcing Digital Radio only in the UK,=20 Thousand of new Pirates popped up in London the next day! Just think what= it=20 would be like if they forced all radio off of Analog.
 
 
73,
Kevin=20 Raper
KJ4HYD
CE=20 WCKI WQIZ WLTQ
 
There=20 is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpo= int,=20 AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn
 


------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CEF72C.F27E0590-- From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 12 08:45:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8343 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 16:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 16:45:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32525 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 16:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng19-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.237) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 16:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.82] by ng19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2013 16:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2013 16:45:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:45:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1386865102.85919.YahooMailNeo@web125505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 68.72.218.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.218.228 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=7ZGSiLG5uvqQTJwOSUErZEG-5W8E1RK4PrV2Ef_YwFT0TY9kMW8cDpm-C4fjXsrVLFYILD69 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang Please sent coments to them thay said thay have hardly any input fr= om any one.This is what i would like to see happen. Mandate that all AM mus= ic stations use C-QuAM AM STEREO and mandate all FM STEREO tuners and radio= s made have AM STEREO with noise blanking and AMAX spec's. Or cheeper radio= s and tuners have AM STEREO and FM STEREO. Also mandate that all stations b= roadcast 15khz day and 10khz night. I do remember when 15khz was broadcaste= d and it sounded awsome. And ban AM IBOC from the AM band. It seems like th= ay can also use one of the old TV channels to use a RDS system so AM STEREO= can work like AM HD radio text. Thats my input on it. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: > > You can send in comments to the FCC on their ECFS website regarding digit= al AM and other AM ideas by commenting on Docket MB 13-249. > I will be, hope you will too. > From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 12 09:34:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36308 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 17:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 17:34:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11323 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 17:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm3-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.91.225) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 17:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.100.111] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2013 17:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.87.11] by tm100.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2013 17:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2013 17:34:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 965061.44794.bm@omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 63093 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2013 17:34:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oKR5ii0VM1mVShvcyU52TdR9VnAeNbUrFg3yglOYOfqXV15 ZnhqlcEowv4lo8TxP5w5CVq5HmNYt_hqIYgo0yqcFnv3kskEL9Ob4CM6_TV7 i7OsFfBUqM8O6.M2C.sLs.n1i33xEJlh0wjL4NBE1Ao3IBu6G6FRh7uFadT4 BvyB_hnufucSw2S242hhbtV4yHghvpwZNMUOuTHBMXHCC2Jg9XRU3G1IBCgr EqMSERWyw9OUmQpzywrxOark0Foj4nJTtGsZuUwb3_6JtM.w3JuJNmTV3D3o DYvQpbxYMsFrRYkPA78DnPd5VePm.pCgj4IbzPO1HmHirF8wKcS7mek99ddd bkF__TGSiA2HIgmrMNaGuk4_7FAsdwDLlKFGeVjQAHixOHOK6K5F2kxbz0ho rAerfabqVcO93ZDQnJetd7NjmUYjusr.CFlHsgaLocXpiKOqqrPBcjnE4NqV DkgM2EvwNjaW7DtQEYa3Oan0TSdkDkUYIBQuhqHe2tndg8rw8SNKvt7b_P_S EtE7.9aQet32RChSsYR0TCKtNa4DTeBfvXP6_i3kAASM6L8gbcGTNL4uc5WX yDvSZ6zANJGXvLipyvjSPySlUdgS8m8tRijG8u9LjTn3xseSCHJ0yiswAyEk 7cmPPVzM- X-Received: from [70.193.23.252] by web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:34:46 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,Tk8hIMKgSXQgdGFrZXMganVzdCBhIGJpdCBvZiBhbmFsb2cgdG8gZGVzdHJveSB0aGUgZGlnaXRhbCBzaWduYWwsIHRoYXQgaXMgYWxzbyB0cnVlIHdpdGggRFJNLiDCoEFuZCB0aGUgZGlnaXRhbCBoaXNzIHdvdWxkIGRlc3Ryb3kgdGhlIGFuYWxvZyBzaWduYWwuIMKgSSBhbSA4MCBhaXIgbWlsZXMgb3IgbGVzcyBmcm9tIHRoZSBXQlQgdHJhbnNtaXR0ZXIgc2l0ZS4gSSBjYW4gaGVhciBpdCBmaW5lIGR1cmluZyB0aGUgZGF5LCBhbmQgdXNlZCB0byBiZSBhYmxlIHRvIGhlYXIgaXQgYXQgbmlnaHQgd2l0aCABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.169.609 References: <21582AD9-CBF3-47F5-A98E-3EA707A3A219@gmail.com> <07E8158E42E44919A2B9520C093DA882@RichardPC> Message-ID: <1386869686.79557.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:34:46 -0800 (PST) To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <07E8158E42E44919A2B9520C093DA882@RichardPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2095016334-1111380318-1386869686=:79557" X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=5MPk2lv3r0sfgSZeqJOUaUCHuWIr_Iyu9sIPrpnQez8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW ---2095016334-1111380318-1386869686=:79557 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NO! =C2=A0It takes just a bit of analog to destroy the digital signal, that= is also true with DRM. =C2=A0And the digital hiss would destroy the analog= signal. =C2=A0I am 80 air miles or less from the WBT transmitter site. I c= an hear it fine during the day, and used to be able to hear it at night wit= h some selective fading. =C2=A0When WTAM and KMOX have their IBOC on at nig= ht I hear not a trace of WBT on 1110. =C2=A0 Interesting that when WBT ran a digital only test =C2=A0a couple nights, I = got some decoding, about 50%. =C2=A0Test proved that all digital covered on= ly PART of the groundwave good coverage at night.=C2=A0 Powell =C2=A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >________________________________ >=20 > > >Here=E2=80=99s a technical question:=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s understood that an= analog-only am=20 receiver won=E2=80=99t receive an all-digital signal =E2=80=93 and vice ver= sa =E2=80=93 but do analog=20 and digital signals on the same frequency interfere with each other?=C2=A0= =20 Technically speaking, could an analog am station broadcast at the same time= on=20 the same frequency with an am digital station and be receivable on the=20 appropriate receiver?=C2=A0 (I would suspect not.) >Dick W. >=C2=A0 > > ---2095016334-1111380318-1386869686=:79557 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
NO!  It takes just a bit of analog to destroy= the digital signal, that is also true with DRM.  And the digital hiss= would destroy the analog signal.  I am 80 air miles or less from the = WBT transmitter site. I can hear it fine during the day, and used to be abl= e to hear it at night with some selective fading.  When WTAM and KMOX = have their IBOC on at night I hear not a trace of WBT on 1110.  

Interesting tha= t when WBT ran a digital only test  a couple nights, I got some decodi= ng, about 50%.  Test proved that all digital covered only PART of the = groundwave good coverage at night. 




Powell
 


NNNN=20=20
POP email is powell at backroads DOT net


Here=E2=80=99s a technical question:  It=E2=80=99s understood tha= t an analog-only am=20 receiver won=E2=80=99t receive an all-digital signal =E2=80=93 and vice ver= sa =E2=80=93 but do analog=20 and digital signals on the same frequency interfere with each other? = =20 Technically speaking, could an analog am station broadcast at the same time= on=20 the same frequency with an am digital station and be receivable on the=20 appropriate receiver?  (I would suspect not.)
Dick W.
 

---2095016334-1111380318-1386869686=:79557-- From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Dec 12 11:36:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66045 invoked by uid 102); 12 Dec 2013 19:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 19:36:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8696 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2013 19:36:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173021pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.21) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2013 19:36:27 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [71.100.129.108]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MXP005CRL4N0Y90@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:36:24 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <1112EA0147584BEDA5B76A26875C0021@RichardPC> To: References: <21582AD9-CBF3-47F5-A98E-3EA707A3A219@gmail.com> <07E8158E42E44919A2B9520C093DA882@RichardPC> <1386869686.79557.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <1386869686.79557.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:36:21 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CEF747.86B91BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CEF747.86B91BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Powell. Dick From: Powell E. Way III=20 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:34 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: All digtal AM soon =20=20 NO! It takes just a bit of analog to destroy the digital signal, that is a= lso true with DRM. And the digital hiss would destroy the analog signal. = I am 80 air miles or less from the WBT transmitter site. I can hear it fine= during the day, and used to be able to hear it at night with some selectiv= e fading. When WTAM and KMOX have their IBOC on at night I hear not a trac= e of WBT on 1110.=20=20 Interesting that when WBT ran a digital only test a couple nights, I got s= ome decoding, about 50%. Test proved that all digital covered only PART of= the groundwave good coverage at night.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Here=E2=80=99s a technical question: It=E2=80=99s understood that an ana= log-only am receiver won=E2=80=99t receive an all-digital signal =E2=80=93 = and vice versa =E2=80=93 but do analog and digital signals on the same freq= uency interfere with each other? Technically speaking, could an analog am = station broadcast at the same time on the same frequency with an am digital= station and be receivable on the appropriate receiver? (I would suspect n= ot.) Dick W. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CEF747.86B91BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Powell.
Dick
 
 
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 =20


Interesting=20 that when WBT ran a digital only test  a couple nights, I got some=20 decoding, about 50%.  Test proved that all digital covered only PART o= f the=20 groundwave good coverage at night.




Powell
 
 
 
NNNN
POP email is powell at backroads DOT net
 
 
Here=E2=80=99s a technical question:  It=E2=80=99s understood t= hat an analog-only am=20 receiver won=E2=80=99t receive an all-digital signal =E2=80=93 and vice v= ersa =E2=80=93 but do analog=20 and digital signals on the same frequency interfere with each other? = ;=20 Technically speaking, could an analog am station broadcast at the same ti= me on=20 the same frequency with an am digital station and be receivable on the=20 appropriate receiver?  (I would suspect not.)
Dick W.
 
 
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Please put this on the DX mail list. Perhap= s some of them will weigh in. 

Kevin
Crump, TN

On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:18 AM, John wrot= e:

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You can send in comments to the FCC on their ECFS website regardin= g digital AM and other AM ideas by commenting on Docket MB 13-249.
I will be, hope you will too.


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Kevin,
Can you please forward to the DX List as I'm not= on that list:
 
>John,
>Please put this on the DX mail= list. Perhaps some of them will weigh in.
>
>Kevin
>Cru= mp, TN

>On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:18 A= M, John wrote:

> You can send in comments to the FCC on their ECF= S website regarding digital AM and other AM ideas by commenting on Docket M= B 13-249.
> I will be, hope you will too.
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19 Dec 2013 17:27:24 -0800 PST Message-ID: <7DE32E0F9D0849CF9A8B27B39528F7DF@jim51acdbd9d7e> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:27:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01CEFCDF.92C78960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} MCS 3050 AUDIO WIDEBAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=RdSxbqydP81sAZzcD2ql0HIkmlJ9Xu2WjUSBX7iD-7lulTJlusk4mT8S5z9OZ_dWNjSeL49- X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CEFCDF.92C78960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I put one of Chris Cuff's decoders in to a MCS 3050 and to made a big di= ffarance in sound. Jeff Deck sell's decoders now for $28.Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bigsatbsb@yahoo.com.br=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: {AMSF} MCS 3050 AUDIO WIDEBAND =20=20=20=20 The MCS 3050 can be modified to Increase its audio frequency response? I = want to modify my 3050 MCS, as do? Neto Silva Brasilia DF =20=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CEFCDF.92C78960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi I put one of Chris Cuff's decoders= in to a=20 MCS 3050 and to made a big diffarance in sound. Jeff Deck sell's decoders n= ow=20 for $28.Jim Smith
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The MCS 3050 can be modified to Increase its audio frequency response?= I=20 want to modify my 3050 MCS, as do?

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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CEFCDF.92C78960-- From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 20 19:57:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5917 invoked by uid 102); 21 Dec 2013 03:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2013 03:57:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5966 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2013 03:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm14-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (216.39.63.252) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2013 03:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 03:57:33 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 03:57:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2013 03:57:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 626710.38689.bm@smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: s02agiUVM1lDtYqp1RCb__UdXQT9WrPMxna63HqyxlBn3w_ STeAtFv0A2DXiTAhhmiK6IR9EbfHCm1LHNqQbRac.7JBK2awBtruynhUEDHu iLzDgV.IReCg34_kvWSmpQih9WpOq2OWd9Pd0fGIBR1vrK1YvzZMkHP4zL_e FD5kmCLyCB.I18az_LY7uD.DpEbQeffHFGgMaU.GMHJqaINgq.mT2XPvv7He 5cG_.j4NyoxPrrgjB_mbb9uXIVLytwzZbsENe3k6nVoZc0dFt4wJ3vuoj7l0 F4hHWnXSAUtgczIVuW360SWkYWCDPcf4Owz16KVH41QJX0QojVTetrcoNmkY DukX2FXpnXPrLnxAbcO7L4PU0pKGmSTr6ofoEXPTil0dR0uehBrYzifUIfq8 C5bhM6j0xnZorY3VnWdmDeJu6jMI53Zuf2LGJATzPgNuEq9QGHadNrqaida_ DloM5dJeeYTZlw_W1pvI7tec2D73SmlciKL2Cjw.L3D9QHvX0MBOlQdNOY42 6zp1UmFgsAmPwfdDWc.T1_gMYcnn4bwWZtFkpmWs2xEsk7WbxduVOi0Hsphl 9XbKh0Ce0ZN9UWoFpFeCk.ewCMuVK X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Rocket-Received: from jim51acdbd9d7e (jimsmith95650@75.18.50.215 with plain [67.195.15.66]) by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2013 19:57:33 -0800 PST Message-ID: <3ED05D74CCD644C89A96B1089A7036BF@jim51acdbd9d7e> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 19:57:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CEFDBD.B7FFBD40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Merry Xmas! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=D3BArqwWI2BRpVM6l94oemXXN0eUY6NY6R01cX-i87tU_WyVKNpYl1A9xodV7Jl_OTY3xa5W X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CEFDBD.B7FFBD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang Merry Xmas to one and all on the forum. Jim Smith ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CEFDBD.B7FFBD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CEFDBD.B7FFBD40-- From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Fri Dec 20 23:28:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4422 invoked by uid 102); 21 Dec 2013 07:28:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2013 07:28:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8185 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2013 07:28:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.146) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2013 07:28:37 -0000 X-Received: from nskntcmgw08p ([61.9.169.168]) by nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20131221072836.NGDQ2025.nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntcmgw08p> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 07:28:36 +0000 X-Received: from DavoPC ([124.190.32.178]) by nskntcmgw08p with BigPond Outbound id 47Ub1n00B3qbcCk017Ubku; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 07:28:36 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=b8MwE66x c=1 sm=1 a=9uh3FJsz/2+VjTCX7o+48Q==:17 a=JDadKst33uMA:10 a=1IlZJK9HAAAA:8 a=rWziG5X8fWIA:10 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=NMXHhM2A7GvVFU_MioMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=bY0mWiRKksQA:10 a=5IP1bg1mnxoA:10 a=xHHpxA_2PGqCo18EoSkA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=DchBDl_O-Ikhym5u:21 a=9uh3FJsz/2+VjTCX7o+48Q==:117 To: References: <3ED05D74CCD644C89A96B1089A7036BF@jim51acdbd9d7e> In-Reply-To: <3ED05D74CCD644C89A96B1089A7036BF@jim51acdbd9d7e> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 18:28:32 +1100 Message-ID: <37A869F7D0FC4588AAA688DE0E52D2CC@DavoPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CEFE7A.742F86A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 Thread-Index: Ac7+AMnVJq+YuL9mSCeiCR7xjNFUmQAHKsYA X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "ian davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Merry Xmas! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CEFE7A.742F86A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wishing a Bonza Christmas to all of the AM Stereo Warriors! ... from Downunder Ian Melbourne (former AMS Capital of the World) _____ From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jim smith Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 2:58 PM To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Subject: {AMSF} Merry Xmas! Hi Gang Merry Xmas to one and all on the forum. Jim Smith ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CEFE7A.742F86A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Hi Gang  Merry Xmas to one and all on= the=20 forum. Jim Smith

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CEFE7A.742F86A0-- From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Dec 21 07:40:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8269 invoked by uid 102); 21 Dec 2013 15:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2013 15:40:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18651 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2013 15:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.9) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2013 15:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [71.100.129.108]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MY5000RYY7GNNA0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 09:40:29 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <911CBDDA25634F1182C85BD982934C85@RichardPC> To: References: <3ED05D74CCD644C89A96B1089A7036BF@jim51acdbd9d7e> <37A869F7D0FC4588AAA688DE0E52D2CC@DavoPC> In-reply-to: <37A869F7D0FC4588AAA688DE0E52D2CC@DavoPC> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:40:26 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01CEFE39.0F70BA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry Xmas! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CEFE39.0F70BA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Absolutely! Merry Christmas to everyone on the list! Dick W. From: ian davidson=20 Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 2:28 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: RE: {AMSF} Merry Xmas! =20=20 Wishing a Bonza Christmas to all of the AM Stereo Warriors! ... from Downun= der Ian Melbourne (former AMS Capital of the World)=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] = On Behalf Of jim smith Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 2:58 PM To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Subject: {AMSF} Merry Xmas! =20=20 Hi Gang Merry Xmas to one and all on the forum. Jim Smith ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CEFE39.0F70BA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Absolutely!  Merry Christmas to everyone on the list!
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Hi Gang  Merry Xmas to one and all on= the=20 forum. Jim Smith
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CEFE39.0F70BA40-- From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Sat Dec 21 20:33:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97143 invoked by uid 102); 22 Dec 2013 04:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m16.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2013 04:33:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14032 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2013 04:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2013 04:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DF85A089 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:33:27 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:33:27 -0600 Message-Id: <20131222041659.M59193@igenesis.us> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: D0DF85A089.ACDA7 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: MCS 3050 AUDIO WIDEBAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=-KcaUsJWrUSZVJlh4PxkG-lzqCkrnA71z9c_-QvihB_ivDNxNvj1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude As Jim pointed out the newer converters do have better audio. Otherwise you're looking at opening up the bandwidth of the AM IF strip. Never seen a schematic for one so I don't know if it uses slug tuned transformers or ceramic resonators. You'd have to experiment, but adding something like 30-100pf of capacitance across a resonator can get it to open its bandwidth, though the passband characteristics may become asymmetrical. It'll open up more on one side than another. Lowering the Q on IF transformers can be as simple as putting a few hundred K ohms across the windings though you'll lose some gain. The transformers could also be modified, but I doubt most of us would be adventurous enough to try. It would involve removing many turns of wire and resonating what's left with more capacitance. The higher the C to L ratio the wider the passband. Scott Todd From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 22 00:24:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92634 invoked by uid 102); 22 Dec 2013 08:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m11.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2013 08:24:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19463 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2013 08:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng25-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (66.196.80.44) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2013 08:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.213.66] by ng25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2013 08:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg102.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2013 08:24:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:24:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20131222041659.M59193@igenesis.us> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 75.20.188.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.188.104 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: MCS 3050 AUDIO WIDEBAND X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=hKc7iiTq9HWmoTzfuGfEvcZhJ-KuQbkswFA4kULD9ji1lR0qXzo6OlGBlSOBLoEgV2YMK6UD X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Scott and gang.I have a schematic for a MCS 3050 but i glued it to the i= nside of the lid of the MCS 3050. I think it will be hard to photo copy it.= Again Merry Xmas. Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "scottn0bst" wrote: > > As Jim pointed out the newer converters do have better audio. Otherwise > you're looking at opening up the bandwidth of the AM IF strip. Never see= n a > schematic for one so I don't know if it uses slug tuned transformers or > ceramic resonators.=20=20 >=20 > You'd have to experiment, but adding something like 30-100pf of capacitan= ce > across a resonator can get it to open its bandwidth, though the passband > characteristics may become asymmetrical. It'll open up more on one side = than > another.=20=20 >=20 > Lowering the Q on IF transformers can be as simple as putting a few hundr= ed K > ohms across the windings though you'll lose some gain. The transformers = could > also be modified, but I doubt most of us would be adventurous enough to t= ry.=20 > It would involve removing many turns of wire and resonating what's left w= ith > more capacitance. 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22 Dec 2013 23:16:54 -0800 PST Message-ID: <8D7BEB3A3F4D40C6A462DDA018D6121E@jim51acdbd9d7e> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:16:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CEFF6B.E51A6960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Fw: docket mb 13-249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=aAt_HXlXPVDm3nbGRexz8EqdROb9ntah4H9sxfmvrIZ3swnviwTsUk_kSyzuOyou12isezXv X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CEFF6B.E51A6960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang I hope thay understand a listener point of veue miss spelled words= and all. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jim smith=20 To: ecfs@fcc.gov=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:02 PM Subject: docket mb 13-249 Hi My name is Jim Smith.And i love AM radio the way it was but not the way = it is now. To me and some of my online frends say that AM HD should be band= from the AM band. I live about 23 to 25 miles from Sacramento Ca in a smal= l rual town called Loomis Ca and i can't get one AM HD station and there ar= e three of them . KHTK AM HD 1140 ( 50kw analog) KFBK AM HD 1530 (50kw anal= og) KIID AM 1470 (5kw analog) AM HD radio has been off for months and i do= n't miss it. When AM HD did bairly come in the sound was not that good. Me = and some of my frends think that Motorola C-QuAM AM STEREO is a much better= system then AM HD. AM STEREO sounds better and can be picked up alot eazye= r than AM HD.Another thing that can be done to make AM STEREO more like HD = AM is to use one of the 81 analog TV channels to broadcast a RDS system f= or AM. I like to see also the bandwidth be at 15khz day and 10 khz night. A= ll AM stations should have GPS sycranized to reduced interfeants day and ni= ght. FCC should mandate that all FM STEREO radios and tuners made should h= ave AM STEREO also and mandate that all AM music use AM STEREO.I have a loc= al station called KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca and thay had to cut back from full= time music to only weekend music. Thay said thay had to because the music= cost to much to play. I miss there full time music. Can the FCC do some th= ing about this please? If the FCC mandates AM to go all digital that will m= ake alot of small stations go dark because thay can't aford the fees to go= AM HD. We have lost alot of choises over the years on AM . Thats a big pro= blem with the AM band . Theres no verity on AM any more . To much talk radi= o and no music like it use to be.To many stations owned by the same comp= ays. That makes them all sound the same. I remember the MA BELL brake up an= d the FCC called that a monopaly. Night time skywave should be left alone = because of more choises at night or thats the way it use to be on AM. Pleas= e visit www.amstereo.org Pease do these things for the sake of the AM band= . I am a listener not a engineer. Thank you for your time. Jim Smith rual L= oomis Ca ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CEFF6B.E51A6960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gang  I hope thay understand a lis= tener=20 point of veue miss spelled words and all.  Jim Smith
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From: jim=20 smith
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:02 PM
Subject: docket mb 13-249

Hi My name is Jim Smith.And i love AM radi= o the way=20 it was but not the way it is now. To me and some of my online frends say th= at AM=20 HD should be band from the AM band. I live about 23 to 25 miles from Sacram= ento=20 Ca in a small rual town called Loomis Ca and i can't get one AM HD station = and=20 there are three of them . KHTK AM HD 1140 ( 50kw analog) KFBK AM HD 15= 30=20 (50kw analog) KIID AM 1470 (5kw analog) AM HD radio has been  off for= =20 months and i don't miss it. When AM HD did bairly come in the sound wa= s not=20 that good. Me and some of my frends think that Motorola C-QuAM AM STEREO is= a=20 much better system then AM HD. AM STEREO sounds better and can be pick= ed=20 up alot eazyer than AM HD.Another thing that can be done to make AM ST= EREO=20 more like HD AM  is to use one of the 81 analog TV channels = to=20 broadcast a RDS system for AM. I like to see also the bandwidth be at = 15khz=20 day and 10 khz night. All AM stations should have GPS sycranized to reduced= =20 interfeants day and night. FCC should mandate that all FM STEREO= =20 radios and tuners  made should have AM STEREO also and mandate that al= l AM=20 music use AM STEREO.I have a local station called KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca&nbs= p;=20 and thay had to cut back from full time music to  only weekend music. = Thay=20 said thay had to because the music cost to much to play. I miss there = full=20 time music. Can the FCC do some thing about this please? If the FCC mandate= s AM=20 to go all digital that will make alot of small stations go dark because&nbs= p;=20 thay can't aford the fees to go AM HD. We have lost alot of choises ov= er=20 the years on AM . Thats a big problem with the AM band . Theres no verity o= n AM=20 any more . To much talk radio  and no music like it use to be.To many= =20 stations owned by  the  same compays. That makes them all sound t= he=20 same. I remember the MA BELL brake up and the FCC called  that a= =20 monopaly. Night time skywave should be left alone because of more choises a= t=20 night or thats the way it use to be on AM. Please visit www.amstereo.org Pease do these things=  =20 for the sake of the AM band. I am a listener not a engineer. Thank you for = your=20 time. Jim Smith rual Loomis Ca
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CEFF6B.E51A6960-- From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Mon Dec 23 15:57:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32663 invoked by uid 102); 23 Dec 2013 23:57:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m15.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2013 23:57:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23914 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2013 23:57:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2013 23:57:58 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9115A1F4 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:57:56 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:57:56 -0600 Message-Id: <20131223235421.M46975@igenesis.us> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: AB9115A1F4.AAAB6 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: Fw: docket mb 13-249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=h7Eu_MaaMG3bFcd0mgOuetJNsjLpBgePHfpcGCqm_jQfZ7kYdVgj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't think you're going to get anywhere with receiver mandates, but good on you for submitting something. I'm also writing some comments but I'm not finished with them yet. 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What I've done is leave the old detector diode and such in place to provide AVC for the IF and just tap off just before it for the decoder. You could add an op amp configured for unity gain between the transformer and the detector diode if you were concerned about distortion. Just be sure to check the IF output level with a scope with the radio on a strong station to see that it isn't more than the AMS chip wants to see. Scott Todd I've been toying with the idea of using Meduci's AM Stereo output board, to modify a Sony Stereo's tuner to receive AM Stereo. I took it apart and it has the Sanyo LA1837 IC cihp, and the datasheet show AM St-IF output, and then an AM stereo input for both left and right channels. It is just that simple to hook modify?? Just install the output board in parallel or am I missing something? From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Fri Dec 27 14:16:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 118 invoked by uid 102); 27 Dec 2013 22:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m17.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2013 22:16:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28550 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2013 22:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2013 22:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C485A43A for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:15:58 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:15:58 -0600 Message-Id: <20131227221320.M79298@igenesis.us> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: 61C485A43A.AB7EA X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: RE: HD Receivers that decode C-QUAM database? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=ma7GscXED3V2bBkx6p195IAuXUTKpAJ4OJdF1Ox1b8Zi_hn-GEsi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It wasn't your imagination, Mike. WLS is still stereo. The mediocre separation is probably more how your device is decoding the signal rather than anything to do with the stations you're listening to. Scott Todd I was listening to WLS today and it sure sounded like it was in AM Stereo. It doesn't have the greatest separation, but I swear it was. You can hear a slight difference after it locks in. 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I have a problem coming soon for me. Win XP= support is ending April 8th 2014. That means that many sites will not work= on Exploer 8 and i can't down load Exploer 9 10 or 11. So what i am askin= g is can i buy a copy of Windows Vista or Windows 7 from one of you? Thank = You. Jim Smith ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CF08AE.5EB27880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  Hi Gang and Happy New Years . I hav= e a=20 problem coming soon for me. Win XP support is ending April 8th 2014. That m= eans=20 that many sites will not work on Exploer 8 and  i can't down load Expl= oer 9=20 10 or 11. So what i am asking is can i buy a copy of Windows Vista or Windo= ws 7=20 from one of you? Thank You. Jim Smith
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CF08AE.5EB27880-- From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Jan 03 18:34:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5504 invoked by uid 102); 4 Jan 2014 02:34:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.32) by m17.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2014 02:34:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6296 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2014 02:34:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mtaq1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2014 02:34:30 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [71.100.129.108]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYU00B0IV5H6B40@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 20:34:30 -0600 (CST) Message-id: To: References: <1C9D9B62F3BA409EA9514B92E0E0DF41@jim51acdbd9d7e> In-reply-to: <1C9D9B62F3BA409EA9514B92E0E0DF41@jim51acdbd9d7e> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:34:23 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CF08CB.91FBB810" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CF08CB.91FBB810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m no expert, but I think that the cutoff just means that Windows = will no longer be providing any updates to XP. You=E2=80=99ll probably sti= ll be able to use XP on the internet, but as time goes on, you may be more = vulnerable to viruses, hackers, etc. You will probably still be able to st= ill get updates to your antivirus programs from third parties (such as Nort= on) for awhile. I could be wrong, but that is my impression. As someone who loved XP back in the day, I should say that I have had Windo= ws 7 now for a couple of years, and it is a great operating system. I have= also helped a few people set up Windows 8, and I found Windows 8 very conf= using. But Windows 7 operates very similar to XP, only better. You might = be able to find a nice clean used Windows 7 computer somewhere.=20=20 Dick W. From: jim smith=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:05 PM To: am stereo forum=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Subject: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20 Hi Gang and Happy New Years . I have a problem coming soon for me. Win XP= support is ending April 8th 2014. That means that many sites will not work= on Exploer 8 and i can't down load Exploer 9 10 or 11. So what i am askin= g is can i buy a copy of Windows Vista or Windows 7 from one of you? Thank = You. Jim Smith ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CF08CB.91FBB810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99m no expert, but I think that the cutoff just means that Win= dows will no=20 longer be providing any updates to XP.  You=E2=80=99ll probably still = be able to=20 use XP on the internet, but as time goes on, you may be more vulnerable to= =20 viruses, hackers, etc.  You will probably still be able to still get=20 updates to your antivirus programs from third parties (such as Norton) for= =20 awhile.
 
I could be wrong, but that is my impression.
 
As someone who loved XP back in the day, I should say that I have had= =20 Windows 7 now for a couple of years, and it is a great operating system.&nb= sp; I=20 have also helped a few people set up Windows 8, and I found Windows 8 very= =20 confusing.  But Windows 7 operates very similar to XP, only better.&nb= sp;=20 You might be able to find a nice clean used Windows 7 computer somewhere.&n= bsp;=20
 
Dick W.
 
 
From: jim smith
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Subject: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP
 
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  Hi Gang and Happy New Years . I hav= e a=20 problem coming soon for me. Win XP support is ending April 8th 2014. That m= eans=20 that many sites will not work on Exploer 8 and  i can't down load Expl= oer 9=20 10 or 11. So what i am asking is can i buy a copy of Windows Vista or Windo= ws 7=20 from one of you? Thank You. Jim Smith
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Over time the sites will no long= er work on Exploerer 8. And i can't down load to updated to 9 10 11. Fox= Fire kind of works but its a little slower. If i could go to Win Vista or= 7 that may help alot. Money is another problem for buying newer PC's and s= uch. I am on a low fixed in come of only $877 per month. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick W.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20 I=E2=80=99m no expert, but I think that the cutoff just means that Window= s will no longer be providing any updates to XP. You=E2=80=99ll probably s= till be able to use XP on the internet, but as time goes on, you may be mor= e vulnerable to viruses, hackers, etc. You will probably still be able to = still get updates to your antivirus programs from third parties (such as No= rton) for awhile. I could be wrong, but that is my impression. As someone who loved XP back in the day, I should say that I have had Win= dows 7 now for a couple of years, and it is a great operating system. I ha= ve also helped a few people set up Windows 8, and I found Windows 8 very co= nfusing. But Windows 7 operates very similar to XP, only better. You migh= t be able to find a nice clean used Windows 7 computer somewhere.=20=20 Dick W. From: jim smith=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:05 PM To: am stereo forum=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Subject: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20 Hi Gang and Happy New Years . I have a problem coming soon for me. Win = XP support is ending April 8th 2014. That means that many sites will not wo= rk on Exploer 8 and i can't down load Exploer 9 10 or 11. So what i am ask= ing is can i buy a copy of Windows Vista or Windows 7 from one of you? Than= k You. Jim Smith =20=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CF08CB.16689650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Dick There  are other problems to = also.=20 Over time the sites will no longer work on Exploerer 8. And i can't down=20 load  to updated  to 9 10 11.  Fox Fire kind of works but it= s a=20 little slower.  If i could go to Win Vista or 7 that may help alot. Mo= ney=20 is another problem for buying newer PC's and such. I am on a low fixed in c= ome=20 of only $877 per month. Jim Smith
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Dick W= .=20
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.c= om=20
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6:3= 4=20 PM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Win= dows=20 XP

 =20

I=E2=80=99m no expert, but I think that the cutoff just means that W= indows will=20 no longer be providing any updates to XP.  You=E2=80=99ll probably s= till be able=20 to use XP on the internet, but as time goes on, you may be more vulnerabl= e to=20 viruses, hackers, etc.  You will probably still be able to still get= =20 updates to your antivirus programs from third parties (such as Norton) fo= r=20 awhile.
 
I could be wrong, but that is my impression.
 
As someone who loved XP back in the day, I should say that I have ha= d=20 Windows 7 now for a couple of years, and it is a great operating system.&= nbsp;=20 I have also helped a few people set up Windows 8, and I found Windows 8 v= ery=20 confusing.  But Windows 7 operates very similar to XP, only better.&= nbsp;=20 You might be able to find a nice clean used Windows 7 computer=20 somewhere. 
 
Dick W.
 
 
From: jim smith
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:05 PM
Subject: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP
 
 =20

  Hi Gang and Happy New Years . I h= ave a=20 problem coming soon for me. Win XP support is ending April 8th 2014. That= =20 means that many sites will not work on Exploer 8 and  i can't down l= oad=20 Exploer 9 10 or 11. So what i am asking is can i buy a copy of Windows Vi= sta=20 or Windows 7 from one of you? Thank You. Jim Smith

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CF08CB.16689650-- From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Jan 04 05:37:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48551 invoked by uid 102); 4 Jan 2014 13:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2014 13:37:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26185 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2014 13:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173013pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.13) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2014 13:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [71.100.129.108]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYV000QMPUZ4750@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 07:37:49 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <3EB6C748130B460B9CCC4B9E7DBF5992@RichardPC> To: References: <1C9D9B62F3BA409EA9514B92E0E0DF41@jim51acdbd9d7e> <8D09AA9BCE4841A6BD45951BF854ABCC@jim51acdbd9d7e> In-reply-to: <8D09AA9BCE4841A6BD45951BF854ABCC@jim51acdbd9d7e> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:37:41 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CF0928.3B99F100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CF0928.3B99F100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, I would think you might be able to find a used Windows 7 computer for = a couple of hundred dollars. I realize that=E2=80=99s still a lot of money= when a person is on a tight income. The problem with buying a Vista is th= at it=E2=80=99s just a matter of time before Vista will also be discontinue= d, and then you=E2=80=99ll be facing the same problem all over again. Dick W. From: jim smith=20 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:30 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20 =EF=BB=BF=20 Hi Dick There are other problems to also. Over time the sites will no long= er work on Exploerer 8. And i can't down load to updated to 9 10 11. Fox= Fire kind of works but its a little slower. If i could go to Win Vista or= 7 that may help alot. Money is another problem for buying newer PC's and s= uch. I am on a low fixed in come of only $877 per month. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick W.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20 I=E2=80=99m no expert, but I think that the cutoff just means that Window= s will no longer be providing any updates to XP. You=E2=80=99ll probably s= till be able to use XP on the internet, but as time goes on, you may be mor= e vulnerable to viruses, hackers, etc. You will probably still be able to = still get updates to your antivirus programs from third parties (such as No= rton) for awhile. I could be wrong, but that is my impression. As someone who loved XP back in the day, I should say that I have had Win= dows 7 now for a couple of years, and it is a great operating system. I ha= ve also helped a few people set up Windows 8, and I found Windows 8 very co= nfusing. But Windows 7 operates very similar to XP, only better. You migh= t be able to find a nice clean used Windows 7 computer somewhere.=20=20 Dick W. From: jim smith=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:05 PM To: am stereo forum=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Subject: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20 Hi Gang and Happy New Years . I have a problem coming soon for me. Win = XP support is ending April 8th 2014. That means that many sites will not wo= rk on Exploer 8 and i can't down load Exploer 9 10 or 11. So what i am ask= ing is can i buy a copy of Windows Vista or Windows 7 from one of you? Than= k You. Jim Smith ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CF0928.3B99F100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim, I would think you might be able to find a used Windows 7 computer= for=20 a couple of hundred dollars.  I realize that=E2=80=99s still a lot of = money when a=20 person is on a tight income.  The problem with buying a Vista is that = it=E2=80=99s=20 just a matter of time before Vista will also be discontinued, and then you= =E2=80=99ll be=20 facing the same problem all over again.
 
Dick W.
 
 
From: jim smith
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP
 
 =20

=EF=BB=BF=20

Hi Dick There  are other problems to = also.=20 Over time the sites will no longer work on Exploerer 8. And i can't down=20 load  to updated  to 9 10 11.  Fox Fire kind of works but it= s a=20 little slower.  If i could go to Win Vista or 7 that may help alot. Mo= ney=20 is another problem for buying newer PC's and such. I am on a low fixed in c= ome=20 of only $877 per month. Jim Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick W.
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.c= om=20
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6:3= 4=20 PM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Win= dows=20 XP
 
 =20

I=E2=80=99m no expert, but I think that the cutoff just means that W= indows will=20 no longer be providing any updates to XP.  You=E2=80=99ll probably s= till be able=20 to use XP on the internet, but as time goes on, you may be more vulnerabl= e to=20 viruses, hackers, etc.  You will probably still be able to still get= =20 updates to your antivirus programs from third parties (such as Norton) fo= r=20 awhile.
 
I could be wrong, but that is my impression.
 
As someone who loved XP back in the day, I should say that I have ha= d=20 Windows 7 now for a couple of years, and it is a great operating system.&= nbsp;=20 I have also helped a few people set up Windows 8, and I found Windows 8 v= ery=20 confusing.  But Windows 7 operates very similar to XP, only better.&= nbsp;=20 You might be able to find a nice clean used Windows 7 computer=20 somewhere. 
 
Dick W.
 
 
From: jim smith
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:05 PM
Subject: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP
 
 =20

  Hi Gang and Happy New Years . I h= ave a=20 problem coming soon for me. Win XP support is ending April 8th 2014. That= =20 means that many sites will not work on Exploer 8 and  i can't down l= oad=20 Exploer 9 10 or 11. So what i am asking is can i buy a copy of Windows Vi= sta=20 or Windows 7 from one of you? Thank You. Jim Smith
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05 Jan 2014 01:48:04 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <051A9E82A15741A893A5889DE8682FDC@jim51acdbd9d7e> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <1C9D9B62F3BA409EA9514B92E0E0DF41@jim51acdbd9d7e> <8D09AA9BCE4841A6BD45951BF854ABCC@jim51acdbd9d7e> <3EB6C748130B460B9CCC4B9E7DBF5992@RichardPC> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 17:47:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CF0975.1BB1E260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=qxKmNW4OpIEao3HB2dHcuugi4u-BV8wrruwDTH0BcmIirKmarLYAlCbWOd6WJtjNLq-miVYc X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CF0975.1BB1E260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dick I can't 2 bills for that. I get $877 a month and my rent is $550. S= o that dose'nt leave much to work with. I can aford a burnt copy of Vista = or 7 to upgrade my computer. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick W.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 5:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20 Jim, I would think you might be able to find a used Windows 7 computer fo= r a couple of hundred dollars. I realize that=E2=80=99s still a lot of mon= ey when a person is on a tight income. The problem with buying a Vista is = that it=E2=80=99s just a matter of time before Vista will also be discontin= ued, and then you=E2=80=99ll be facing the same problem all over again. Dick W. From: jim smith=20 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:30 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20 =EF=BB=BF=20 Hi Dick There are other problems to also. Over time the sites will no lo= nger work on Exploerer 8. And i can't down load to updated to 9 10 11. F= ox Fire kind of works but its a little slower. If i could go to Win Vista = or 7 that may help alot. Money is another problem for buying newer PC's and= such. I am on a low fixed in come of only $877 per month. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick W.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20=20=20 I=E2=80=99m no expert, but I think that the cutoff just means that Wind= ows will no longer be providing any updates to XP. You=E2=80=99ll probably= still be able to use XP on the internet, but as time goes on, you may be m= ore vulnerable to viruses, hackers, etc. You will probably still be able t= o still get updates to your antivirus programs from third parties (such as = Norton) for awhile. I could be wrong, but that is my impression. As someone who loved XP back in the day, I should say that I have had W= indows 7 now for a couple of years, and it is a great operating system. I = have also helped a few people set up Windows 8, and I found Windows 8 very = confusing. But Windows 7 operates very similar to XP, only better. You mi= ght be able to find a nice clean used Windows 7 computer somewhere.=20=20 Dick W. From: jim smith=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:05 PM To: am stereo forum=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Subject: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Gang and Happy New Years . I have a problem coming soon for me. Wi= n XP support is ending April 8th 2014. That means that many sites will not = work on Exploer 8 and i can't down load Exploer 9 10 or 11. So what i am a= sking is can i buy a copy of Windows Vista or Windows 7 from one of you? Th= ank You. Jim Smith =20=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CF0975.1BB1E260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Dick I can't 2 bills for that. I g= et $877 a=20 month and my rent is $550. So that dose'nt leave much to work with. I can a= ford=20 a  burnt copy of Vista or 7 to upgrade my computer. Jim Smith
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Dick W= .=20
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.c= om=20
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 5= :37=20 AM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Win= dows=20 XP

 =20

Jim, I would think you might be able to find a used Windows 7 comput= er=20 for a couple of hundred dollars.  I realize that=E2=80=99s still a l= ot of money=20 when a person is on a tight income.  The problem with buying a Vista= is=20 that it=E2=80=99s just a matter of time before Vista will also be discont= inued, and=20 then you=E2=80=99ll be facing the same problem all over again.
 
Dick W.
 
 
From: jim smith
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP
 
 <= /SPAN>=20

=EF=BB=BF=20

Hi Dick There  are other problems t= o also.=20 Over time the sites will no longer work on Exploerer 8. And i can't down= =20 load  to updated  to 9 10 11.  Fox Fire kind of works but = its a=20 little slower.  If i could go to Win Vista or 7 that may help alot. = Money=20 is another problem for buying newer PC's and such. I am on a low fixed in= come=20 of only $877 per month. Jim Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick W.= =20
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups= .com=20
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6= :34=20 PM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of W= indows=20 XP
 
 =20

I=E2=80=99m no expert, but I think that the cutoff just means that= Windows will=20 no longer be providing any updates to XP.  You=E2=80=99ll probably= still be=20 able to use XP on the internet, but as time goes on, you may be more=20 vulnerable to viruses, hackers, etc.  You will probably still be a= ble=20 to still get updates to your antivirus programs from third parties (suc= h as=20 Norton) for awhile.
 
I could be wrong, but that is my impression.
 
As someone who loved XP back in the day, I should say that I have = had=20 Windows 7 now for a couple of years, and it is a great operating=20 system.  I have also helped a few people set up Windows 8, and I f= ound=20 Windows 8 very confusing.  But Windows 7 operates very similar to = XP,=20 only better.  You might be able to find a nice clean used Windows = 7=20 computer somewhere. 
 
Dick W.
 
 
From: jim smith
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:05 PM
To: am stereo forum
Subject: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP
 
 =20

  Hi Gang and Happy New Years . I= have a=20 problem coming soon for me. Win XP support is ending April 8th 2014. Th= at=20 means that many sites will not work on Exploer 8 and  i can't down= load=20 Exploer 9 10 or 11. So what i am asking is can i buy a copy of Windows = Vista=20 or Windows 7 from one of you? Thank You. Jim Smith

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CF0975.1BB1E260-- From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Jan 04 18:30:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14354 invoked by uid 102); 5 Jan 2014 02:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m13.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2014 02:30:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32766 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2014 02:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173007pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.7) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2014 02:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from RichardPC ([unknown] [71.100.129.108]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYW00E5DPN0ES10@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:30:38 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <72A385586F22429C84114A1B55BA7653@RichardPC> To: References: <1C9D9B62F3BA409EA9514B92E0E0DF41@jim51acdbd9d7e> <8D09AA9BCE4841A6BD45951BF854ABCC@jim51acdbd9d7e> <3EB6C748130B460B9CCC4B9E7DBF5992@RichardPC> <051A9E82A15741A893A5889DE8682FDC@jim51acdbd9d7e> In-reply-to: <051A9E82A15741A893A5889DE8682FDC@jim51acdbd9d7e> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:30:30 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CF0994.31499770" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CF0994.31499770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, I might have what you=E2=80=99re looking for. If you wish, would you = contact me off-group at aceg135a@outlook.com ?=20=20 Dick W.=20 From: jim smith=20 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 8:47 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20 =EF=BB=BF=20 Hi Dick I can't 2 bills for that. I get $877 a month and my rent is $550. S= o that dose'nt leave much to work with. I can aford a burnt copy of Vista = or 7 to upgrade my computer. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick W.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 5:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20 Jim, I would think you might be able to find a used Windows 7 computer fo= r a couple of hundred dollars. I realize that=E2=80=99s still a lot of mon= ey when a person is on a tight income. The problem with buying a Vista is = that it=E2=80=99s just a matter of time before Vista will also be discontin= ued, and then you=E2=80=99ll be facing the same problem all over again. Dick W. From: jim smith=20 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:30 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20 =EF=BB=BF=20 Hi Dick There are other problems to also. Over time the sites will no lo= nger work on Exploerer 8. And i can't down load to updated to 9 10 11. F= ox Fire kind of works but its a little slower. If i could go to Win Vista = or 7 that may help alot. Money is another problem for buying newer PC's and= such. I am on a low fixed in come of only $877 per month. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick W.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20=20=20 I=E2=80=99m no expert, but I think that the cutoff just means that Wind= ows will no longer be providing any updates to XP. You=E2=80=99ll probably= still be able to use XP on the internet, but as time goes on, you may be m= ore vulnerable to viruses, hackers, etc. You will probably still be able t= o still get updates to your antivirus programs from third parties (such as = Norton) for awhile. I could be wrong, but that is my impression. As someone who loved XP back in the day, I should say that I have had W= indows 7 now for a couple of years, and it is a great operating system. I = have also helped a few people set up Windows 8, and I found Windows 8 very = confusing. But Windows 7 operates very similar to XP, only better. You mi= ght be able to find a nice clean used Windows 7 computer somewhere.=20=20 Dick W. From: jim smith=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:05 PM To: am stereo forum=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Subject: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Gang and Happy New Years . I have a problem coming soon for me. Wi= n XP support is ending April 8th 2014. That means that many sites will not = work on Exploer 8 and i can't down load Exploer 9 10 or 11. So what i am a= sking is can i buy a copy of Windows Vista or Windows 7 from one of you? Th= ank You. Jim Smith ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CF0994.31499770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim, I might have what you=E2=80=99re looking for.  If you wish, = would you=20 contact me off-group at aceg135a@outlook.com ? 
 
Dick W.
 
 
From: jim smith
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP
 
 =20

=EF=BB=BF=20

Hi Dick I can't 2 bills for that. I get $8= 77 a=20 month and my rent is $550. So that dose'nt leave much to work with. I can a= ford=20 a  burnt copy of Vista or 7 to upgrade my computer. Jim Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick W.
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.c= om=20
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 5= :37=20 AM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Win= dows=20 XP
 
 =20

Jim, I would think you might be able to find a used Windows 7 comput= er=20 for a couple of hundred dollars.  I realize that=E2=80=99s still a l= ot of money=20 when a person is on a tight income.  The problem with buying a Vista= is=20 that it=E2=80=99s just a matter of time before Vista will also be discont= inued, and=20 then you=E2=80=99ll be facing the same problem all over again.
 
Dick W.
 
 
From: jim smith
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP
 
 <= /SPAN>=20

=EF=BB=BF=20

Hi Dick There  are other problems t= o also.=20 Over time the sites will no longer work on Exploerer 8. And i can't down= =20 load  to updated  to 9 10 11.  Fox Fire kind of works but = its a=20 little slower.  If i could go to Win Vista or 7 that may help alot. = Money=20 is another problem for buying newer PC's and such. I am on a low fixed in= come=20 of only $877 per month. Jim Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick W.= =20
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups= .com=20
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6= :34=20 PM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of W= indows=20 XP
 
 =20

I=E2=80=99m no expert, but I think that the cutoff just means that= Windows will=20 no longer be providing any updates to XP.  You=E2=80=99ll probably= still be=20 able to use XP on the internet, but as time goes on, you may be more=20 vulnerable to viruses, hackers, etc.  You will probably still be a= ble=20 to still get updates to your antivirus programs from third parties (suc= h as=20 Norton) for awhile.
 
I could be wrong, but that is my impression.
 
As someone who loved XP back in the day, I should say that I have = had=20 Windows 7 now for a couple of years, and it is a great operating=20 system.  I have also helped a few people set up Windows 8, and I f= ound=20 Windows 8 very confusing.  But Windows 7 operates very similar to = XP,=20 only better.  You might be able to find a nice clean used Windows = 7=20 computer somewhere. 
 
Dick W.
 
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On Jan 4, 20= 14, at 8:47 PM, jim smith wrote:

Hi Dick I can't 2 bills = for that. I get $877 a month and my rent is $550. So that dose'nt leave muc= h to work with. I can aford a  burnt copy of Vista or 7 to upgrade my = computer.


Most comp= uters old enough to have come with XP do not have enough "Steam" to run Vis= ta or 7. For former XP machines Puppy Linux is a better choice and it is FR= EE.


73,
Kevin Raper=
KJ4HYD
CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ

There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a ma= thematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leon= ard Kahn



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Good information!  Thanks, Kevin =E2=80=93
Dick W.
 
 
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP
 
Most computers old enough to have come with XP do not have enough "Ste= am"=20 to run Vista or 7. For former XP machines Puppy Linux is a better choice an= d it=20 is FREE.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CF09A9.823973C0-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sat Jan 04 21:19:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28024 invoked by uid 102); 5 Jan 2014 05:19:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2014 05:19:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8953 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2014 05:19:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pb0-f54.google.com) (209.85.160.54) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2014 05:19:24 -0000 X-Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id un15so17359076pbc.27 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:19:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.170.66 with SMTP id ak2mr110549080pbc.5.1388899164382; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:19:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.70.1.34 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:19:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.70.1.34 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:19:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <423993B84B0942E9A80C3E49130056A1@RichardPC> References: <1C9D9B62F3BA409EA9514B92E0E0DF41@jim51acdbd9d7e> <8D09AA9BCE4841A6BD45951BF854ABCC@jim51acdbd9d7e> <3EB6C748130B460B9CCC4B9E7DBF5992@RichardPC> <051A9E82A15741A893A5889DE8682FDC@jim51acdbd9d7e> <75FA1F18-2740-4EAD-8027-84E87EB9239A@gmail.com> <423993B84B0942E9A80C3E49130056A1@RichardPC> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 13:19:24 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86d55c526a7704ef32497b X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=klmb-_t5uh_ASVrCjzdQkh8wKdHPhrkRBj5QtHuLq-0A3jxi X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker --047d7b86d55c526a7704ef32497b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. As Kevin mentioned, I usually put a flavour of Linux on my old computers. There can be a bit of a learning curve but Ubuntu is quite easy to install and use. Only install Linux if you are happy to forego your Windows apps. You can install Firefox or Chrome browsers onto linux. Make sure you have equivalents for your other applications. The other alternative is staying with XP (its not a bad OS). Even though MS no longer supports it, you should be able to use the latest Chrome browser. Make sure you have a basic antivirus like avg installed. Dan On Jan 5, 2014 1:03 PM, "Dick W." wrote: > > > Good information! Thanks, Kevin =96 > Dick W. > > > *From:* Kevin Raper > *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:32 PM > *To:* amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP > > Most computers old enough to have come with XP do not have enough > "Steam" to run Vista or 7. For former XP machines Puppy Linux is a better > choice and it is FREE. > >=20=20 > --047d7b86d55c526a7704ef32497b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all.=A0 As Kevin mentioned, I usually put a flavour of Linux on my ol= d computers. There can be a bit of a learning curve but Ubuntu is quite eas= y to install and use.

Only install Linux if you are happy to forego your Windows apps. You can= install Firefox or Chrome browsers onto linux. Make sure you have equivale= nts for your other applications.

The other alternative is staying with XP (its not a bad OS). Even though= MS no longer supports it, you should be able to use the latest Chrome brow= ser. Make sure you have a basic antivirus like avg installed.

Dan

On Jan 5, 2014 1:03 PM, "Dick W." <= dwtpa97@verizon.net> wrote:
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Good information!=A0 Thanks, Kevin =96
Dick W.
=A0
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Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP
=A0
Most computers old enough to have come with XP do not have enough &quo= t;Steam"=20 to run Vista or 7. For former XP machines Puppy Linux is a better choice an= d it=20 is FREE.
=A0

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--047d7b86d55c526a7704ef32497b-- From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Jan 04 21:27:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42704 invoked by uid 102); 5 Jan 2014 05:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m15.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2014 05:27:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9808 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2014 05:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yh0-f51.google.com) (209.85.213.51) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2014 05:27:36 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yh0-f51.google.com with SMTP id c41so3406756yho.24 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:27:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.92.138 with SMTP id j10mr870365yhf.70.1388899656114; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:27:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.1.3] (97-95-224-122.dhcp.sffl.va.charter.com. [97.95.224.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r1sm12090831yhf.17.2014.01.04.21.27.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:27:35 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FF0C7F80-E9EE-4CEC-B27B-2B3F6C9216D7" Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 00:27:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1C9D9B62F3BA409EA9514B92E0E0DF41@jim51acdbd9d7e> <8D09AA9BCE4841A6BD45951BF854ABCC@jim51acdbd9d7e> <3EB6C748130B460B9CCC4B9E7DBF5992@RichardPC> <051A9E82A15741A893A5889DE8682FDC@jim51acdbd9d7e> <75FA1F18-2740-4EAD-8027-84E87EB9239A@gmail.com> <423993B84B0942E9A80C3E49130056A1@RichardPC> Message-Id: <03365845-2924-40B4-8C43-FA1A6A9CD087@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kevin Raper Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=oUz5iykrSNsp-CjgwTWWZKk8VfCbG7Zmv03g_LkJoLTNpsgznokSBIuWl6h16A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 --Apple-Mail=_FF0C7F80-E9EE-4CEC-B27B-2B3F6C9216D7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Jan 5, 2014, at 12:19 AM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > Only install Linux if you are happy to forego your Windows apps. You can run 'em in WINE under the Linux OS... 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn --Apple-Mail=_FF0C7F80-E9EE-4CEC-B27B-2B3F6C9216D7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
On Jan 5, 20= 14, at 12:19 AM, Daniel Piccoli wrote:

Only install Linux if you ar= e happy to forego your Windows apps.


=

You can run 'em in WINE under the Linux OS...
73,
Kevin Raper=
KJ4HYD
CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ

There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a ma= thematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leon= ard Kahn



--Apple-Mail=_FF0C7F80-E9EE-4CEC-B27B-2B3F6C9216D7-- From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sat Jan 04 21:32:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31401 invoked by uid 102); 5 Jan 2014 05:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2014 05:32:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27903 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2014 05:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pa0-f54.google.com) (209.85.220.54) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2014 05:32:55 -0000 X-Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id rd3so17335909pab.13 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:32:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.196.164 with SMTP id in4mr110825109pbc.128.1388899974452; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:32:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.70.1.34 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:32:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.70.1.34 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:32:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <03365845-2924-40B4-8C43-FA1A6A9CD087@gmail.com> References: <1C9D9B62F3BA409EA9514B92E0E0DF41@jim51acdbd9d7e> <8D09AA9BCE4841A6BD45951BF854ABCC@jim51acdbd9d7e> <3EB6C748130B460B9CCC4B9E7DBF5992@RichardPC> <051A9E82A15741A893A5889DE8682FDC@jim51acdbd9d7e> <75FA1F18-2740-4EAD-8027-84E87EB9239A@gmail.com> <423993B84B0942E9A80C3E49130056A1@RichardPC> <03365845-2924-40B4-8C43-FA1A6A9CD087@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 13:32:54 +0800 Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c42c9b1b8a04ef32794f X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=dG4sVbE3n47Q-7Bf-Sef5RVUGeO--PLq9GbJKf7ibqJLDnsr X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker --e89a8ff1c42c9b1b8a04ef32794f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True Kevin, but WINE wasn't perfect last I tried it and requires a bit of configuration. On Jan 5, 2014 1:27 PM, "Kevin Raper" wrote: > > > > On Jan 5, 2014, at 12:19 AM, Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > Only install Linux if you are happy to forego your Windows apps. > > > > > You can run 'em in WINE under the Linux OS... > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > >=20=20 > --e89a8ff1c42c9b1b8a04ef32794f Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

True Kevin, but WINE wasn't perfect last I tried it and requires a b= it of configuration.

On Jan 5, 2014 1:27 PM, "Kevin Raper" = <kj4hyd@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jan 5, 2014, at 12:19 AM, Daniel Piccoli wrote:
Only install Linux if you are happy to forego your W= indows apps.



You can run 'em in WINE un= der the Linux OS...

73,
Kevin Raper
KJ4HYD
CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ

There is no limitation to the fi= delity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequ= ency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn



=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20
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Thanks to everyone for all the XP/Linux information!
Dick W.
 
 
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: {AMSF} The end of Windows XP
 
 =20

True Kevin, but WINE wasn't perfect last I tried it and requires a bit o= f=20 configuration.

On Jan 5, 2014 1:27 PM, "Kevin Raper" <kj4hyd@gmail.com> wrote:
 =20

=20

On Jan 5, 2014, at 12:19 AM, Daniel Piccoli wrote:

Only=20 install Linux if you are happy to forego your Windows=20 apps.

 
 
You can run 'em in WINE under the Linux OS...
 
73,
Kevin=20 Raper
KJ4HYD
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There=20 is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpo= int,=20 AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn
 


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15 Jan 2014 01:13:00 +0000 UTC Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 17:12:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CF114B.DAA6D620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Fw: docket mb 13-249 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ZV-KXWcuYB_f0-hS-QofLT2kDHhAGqq4EpstREx-K_Dc9yolRvklM2vA1vGAfGqyIAKyqIMs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CF114B.DAA6D620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang I made a addistoin to my Docket. Read between the( )'s. Jim Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jim smith=20 To: ecfs@ffc.org=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: Fw: docket mb 13-249 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jim smith=20 To: ecfs@fcc.org=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:40 AM Subject: Fw: docket mb 13-249 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jim smith=20 To: ecfs@fcc.gov=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:02 PM Subject: docket mb 13-249 Hi My name is Jim Smith.And i love AM radio the way it was but not the way = it is now. To me and some of my online frends say that AM HD should be band= from the AM band. I live about 23 to 25 miles from Sacramento Ca in a smal= l rural town called Loomis Ca and i can't get one AM HD station and there a= re three of them . KHTK AM HD 1140 ( 50kw analog) KFBK AM HD 1530 (50kw ana= log) KIID AM 1470 (5kw analog) AM HD radio has been off for months and i d= on't miss it. When AM HD did bairly come in the sound was not that good. Me= and some of my frends think that Motorola C-QuAM AM STEREO is a much bette= r system then AM HD. AM STEREO sounds better and can be picked up alot easy= er than AM HD.Another thing that can be done to make AM STEREO more like HD= AM is to use one of the 81 analog TV channels to broadcast a RDS system = for AM. I like to see also the bandwidth be at 15khz day and 10 khz night. = All AM stations should have GPS sycranized to reduced interfeants day and n= ight. FCC should mandate that all FM STEREO radios and tuners made should = have AM STEREO also and mandate that all AM music stations use AM STEREO.I = have a local station called KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca and thay had to cut back= from full time music to only weekend music. Thay said thay had to because= the music cost to much to play. I miss there full time music. Can the FCC = do some thing about this please? If the FCC mandates AM to go all digital t= hat will make alot of small stations go dark because thay can't aford the = fees to go AM HD. We have lost alot of choises over the years on AM . Thats= a big problem with the AM band . Theres no verity on AM any more . To much= talk radio and no music like it use to be.To many stations owned by the = same compays. That makes them all sound the same. I remember the MA BELL b= rake up and the FCC called that a monopaly. Night time skywave should be l= eft alone because of more choises at night or thats the way it use to be on= AM.(AM FM simocast should be banded also beause that would ferther the mig= ratoin to FM.I also forgot more things. FCC should mandate a black out on a= ll local inetrnet streems from AM signals. 50kw 100 miles 10kw 50 miles 5= kw and under 40 miles and stop streeming on FM HD 2 and 3. If you want peop= le to listen to the AM band you have to keep the programing on AM.) Please = visit www.amstereo.org and www.meduci.com Please do these things for the = sake of the AM band. I am a listener not a engineer. Thank you for your tim= e. Jim Smith rural Loomis Ca ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CF114B.DAA6D620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gang  I made a addistoin to m= y Docket.=20 Read between the( )'s. Jim Smith
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Hi My name is Jim Smith.And i love AM radi= o the way=20 it was but not the way it is now. To me and some of my online frends say th= at AM=20 HD should be band from the AM band. I live about 23 to 25 miles from Sacram= ento=20 Ca in a small rural town called Loomis Ca and i can't get one AM HD station= and=20 there are three of them . KHTK AM HD 1140 ( 50kw analog) KFBK AM HD 15= 30=20 (50kw analog) KIID AM 1470 (5kw analog) AM HD radio has been  off for= =20 months and i don't miss it. When AM HD did bairly come in the sound wa= s not=20 that good. Me and some of my frends think that Motorola C-QuAM AM STEREO is= a=20 much better system then AM HD. AM STEREO sounds better and can be pick= ed=20 up alot easyer than AM HD.Another thing that can be done to make AM ST= EREO=20 more like HD AM  is to use one of the 81 analog TV channels = to=20 broadcast a RDS system for AM. I like to see also the bandwidth be at = 15khz=20 day and 10 khz night. All AM stations should have GPS sycranized to reduced= =20 interfeants day and night. FCC should mandate that all FM STEREO= =20 radios and tuners  made should have AM STEREO also and mandate that al= l AM=20 music stations use AM STEREO.I have a local station called KAHI AM 950= =20 Auburn Ca  and thay had to cut back from full time music to  only= =20 weekend music. Thay said thay had to because the music cost to much to= =20 play. I miss there full time music. Can the FCC do some thing about this pl= ease?=20 If the FCC mandates AM to go all digital that will make alot of small stati= ons=20 go dark because  thay can't aford the fees to go AM HD. We have=20 lost alot of choises over the years on AM . Thats a big problem with t= he AM=20 band . Theres no verity on AM any more . To much talk radio  and no mu= sic=20 like it use to be.To many stations owned by  the  same compays. T= hat=20 makes them all sound the same. I remember the MA BELL brake up and the= FCC=20 called  that a monopaly. Night time skywave should be left alone becau= se of=20 more choises at night or thats the way it use to be on AM.(AM FM simocast s= hould=20 be banded also beause that would ferther the migratoin to FM.I also forgot = more=20 things. FCC should mandate a black out on all local inetrnet streems from A= M=20 signals. 50kw 100 miles  10kw 50 miles  5kw and under 4= 0=20 miles and stop streeming on FM HD 2 and 3. If you want people to liste= n to=20 the AM band you have to keep the programing on AM.) Please visit www.amstereo.org  and www.meduci.com Please do these=20 things  for the sake of the AM band. I am a listener not a engineer. T= hank=20 you for your time. Jim Smith rural Loomis Ca
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  Hi Gang  I had just found out = that KSTN=20 AM 1420 Stockton Ca is back on the air with a classic country format. I am = to=20 far away to hear there station to 5kw days and 1kw nights. Jim=20 Smith
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22 Jan 2014 14:56:35 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <4E1944052D3640628AD5E01C79D32D10@jim51acdbd9d7e> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:56:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Emailing:_High_Fidelity_AM_Stere?= =?utf-8?Q?o_=C2=AB_feedback.pdxradio.com?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=u44TCoklWGXt2mtUSiWfbKpU4McLYALanGNMZULOTO3ic9Qsw7UUpgerfdsG64rVY8tj_Y5D X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable High Fidelity AM Stereo =C2=AB feedback.pdxradio.com feedback.pdxradio.comPortland radio, the world & beyond Register or log in: Username: Password: =20=20=20 feedback.pdxradio.com =C2=BB Portland Radio High Fidelity AM Stereo(92 posts)=20 a.. Started 3 years ago by the_radio_guy=20 b.. Latest reply from the_radio_guy=20 Tags: a.. Bandwidth=20 b.. AM Stereo=20 c.. 62kgw=20 1 2 Next =C2=BB Hi Gang This is some old postings on a forum from 2011. = On this page they have some links to the Audiocubes Sony AM STEREO's The li= nks still work . I had contacted Audiocabes a fue years ago and they said t= hat the Sonys where unavalable. I stll wonder if thats still true. Jim Smit= h 1.. the_radio_guy =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 874 I just read about this high fidelity AM Stereo tuner that is now availabl= e: http://www.meduci.com It's too bad that 1450 KBPS is the only AM station in the area that is st= ill broadcasting C-QUAM Stereo. There are still quite a few AM music statio= ns in Oregon and Washington.=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 12:27 AM #=20 2.. Czarcasm =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 111 And I know where you can get a good deal on a Betamax.=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 06:13 AM #=20 3.. missing_kskd =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 13,580 Well, I don't know that I would get one of those due do the lack of progr= amming. I've seen them though. Wonder if that station on the east coast is = still doing stereo. I can't recall the call letters off hand, but the owner= had a stereo rig, and caught the fever, playing oldies in stereo, going as= far as to promote it locally. He got good feedback, finding a lot of cars = had them. That was true through 2000. I've got one from that era, and it's = just an excellent radio, stereo or not. KBPS is a treat though. When I'm in range, I always take a listen! What I= particularly like is the combination of the separation, and the AM style p= rocessing. Gives many vocal and acoustic pieces a great, in car, presence.= =20 If you ever get the chance to hear a good talk program done in stereo, on= AM stereo, there is nothing like it. Beats the pants off an analog FM, IMH= O. Not having as many highs is a clear bonus on that kind of programming.=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 06:39 AM #=20 4.. scowl =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 589 In the late 90's I read of lots of AM stations who were still sending an = AM stereo pilot tone but are not broadcasting in stereo. They claimed it wa= s not worth broadcasting it to a handful of receivers that can decode it an= d it reduced their coverage for some reason, something about C-QUAM limitin= g their modulation making them sound quieter than other stations which was = unacceptable. Back then there was a report every week of yet another AM stereo station = suddenly with no stereo, often leaving the pilot tone on or just pulling th= e plug on it altogether. Inquiries to the station were usually polite but s= ome C.E.'s just laughed at the suggestion that they continue AM stereo. Despite the decline of AM stereo, there have been lots of sites over the = years selling AM stereo decoders. I've noticed that like the one above, the= y've added a new HD Radio station section to describe all of AM HD's faults= while ignoring AM stereo's faults, usually with sweeping statements like t= his site's "noise-free high definition sound is virtually indistinguishable= from FM stereo broadcasts" claim. I don't know where people are receiving = AM stereo but I have never received a "noise-free" AM stereo broadcast (esp= ecially here at work) and I would never confuse them with an FM stereo broa= dcast.=20 I would also never confuse an AM HD broadcast with an FM broadcast either= . They all have distinctive sounds.=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 08:03 AM #=20 5.. Alfredo_T =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,740 A lack of stereo programming should not deter one from picking up an AMAX= compliant receiver because it will provide good reception of local station= s whether they are broadcasting in mono or stereo. Just keep in mind that t= hese high fidelity radios are not for nighttime DX reception (unless they h= ave selectable bandwidths).=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 09:30 AM #=20 6.. missing_kskd =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 13,580 That's a great point Alfredo. What I've noticed is a lot of stations went= to the brick wall 5khz filter along with the HD trend. That does not treat= the sounds well Even with that, higher bandwidth radio still sound consid= erably better. For those stations that didn't do that, the extra fidelity is a nice plus= ! Frankly, a GE Super Radio is a good way to check out what AM really sound= s like these days. I use mine regularly, on both AM and FM. It's not a ster= eo radio however. If you are listening on a newer car radio, chances are you are getting ve= ry ugly AM sound.=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 10:08 AM #=20 7.. scowl =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 589 Are there any local AM stations broadcasting wideband? If not, I don't se= e the point of an AMAX compliant receiver.=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 10:11 AM #=20 8.. jr_tech =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 3,702 At the other end of the scale...a really nice AM stereo tuner with select= able bandwidth: http://www.fanfarefm.com/fta-100-sht.html=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 10:17 AM #=20 9.. Alfredo_T =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,740 The only stations around here that are not transmitting the full 10 kHz a= udio bandwidth are KPOJ, KEX, KKPZ, and KDZR. Sometimes, KEX flips to a bac= kup non-HD transmitter, and when they do, they broadcast 15+ kHz audio!=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 10:58 AM #=20 10.. jr_tech =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 3,702 "they broadcast 15+ kHz audio!" Are you sure about this? or do you mean RF bandwidth?=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 11:19 AM #=20 11.. Alfredo_T =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,740 When KEX was on its backup transmitter, I tuned it in on a Rycom 6040 "se= lective level meter". This instrument is essentially a narrowband radio wit= h a frequency counter and a calibrated level meter. I put the IF into its n= arrow setting (50 Hz), and I slowly tuned across the signal. I was able to = detect sidebands up to about 15 kHz from the carrier. If I do this on other= stations, the strength of the sidebands goes down quickly when I tune more= than 10 kHz away from the carrier. I have only heard the non-HD transmitte= r on the air two or three times, so I suspect that it gets used only when t= here are serious technical problems with the main transmitter.=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 11:30 AM #=20 12.. jr_tech =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 3,702 Interesting! How did 1190 sound when they were doing this ?=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 11:41 AM #=20 13.. missing_kskd =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 13,580 Nice!! I didn't know that. Scowl, often the more open receiver has good response characteristics. Th= at's true of AMAX radios for sure. Even a brick wall 5Khz station will soun= d notably better on an AMAX radio. This can be heard on the GE III cheap and easy enough. Many newer car radios are really freaking narrow, and have poor response = curves. It's as bad as listening to SW!!=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 01:11 PM #=20 14.. scowl =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 589 I've listened to local AM stations on my NRD-525 with the selectivity set= to AM wide which passes 10 kHz and I didn't hear much difference other tha= n more noise (no, not just the HD stations!). I certainly didn't hear anyth= ing that would pass for FM mono sound.=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 01:14 PM #=20 15.. missing_kskd =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 13,580 Those people that say "FM mono sound" generally are off base.=20 It can get in the same realm. Right near the end with 1520, when they wer= e playing the higher fidelity standards, I got several confused looks when = they heard it was AM on the GE III.=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 01:23 PM #=20 16.. Alfredo_T =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,740 The KEX standby transmitter sounded as if it had very different processin= g. The extra highs were noticeable, of course, but the other thing that sto= od out was that there was very little limiting going on. With this processi= ng, KEX sounded quieter than other stations (as I would have have expected)= but not by too much. What blew me away most was that in the old Toyota rad= io that I had in my former vehicle, it was not too hard to tell what parts = of the programming were coming live from the KEX studios, what was coming t= hrough satellite feeds, commercials (which sounded like data-reduced digita= l audio), and news actualities. In short, it was like listening to "KEX-HD"= with a small bit of analog background noise but no digital artifacts. The = processing on almost all other talk-formatted AM stations I have heard seem= s to homogenize some of these little differences in sound quality between d= ifferent audio sources.=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 01:42 PM #=20 17.. scowl =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 589 I have listened to mono FM. I know what it sounds like. How am I off base= ?=20=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 03:11 PM #=20 18.. missing_kskd =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 13,580 I don't think you are.=20 What I meant was the people who are saying that AMS is like FM mono, are = generally off base.=20 There are just trade-offs.=20 Saying it's "as good as", or "better than" FM is just devaluing the thing= . It's the same mistake as is being done with HD. The general idea is that = HD stations have extra channels. This is good. I hear a lot about how bad a= nalog is, and that sucks because the digital isn't a slam dunk. I don't think AM sucks. I don't think FM sucks. And I don't think HD suck= s either. They all have strengths and weaknesses.=20 The best radios are those radios that just render all the possible signal= s with the best quality possible. That's not happening on AM at all right n= ow, but for some radios. That sucks. Sucks big, because the radio determine= s whether or not somebody is a potential listener. An HD radio that just did AMS, AM, FM, FMS, HD-AM, HD-FM, with a nice DSP= that made the best of the signal would allow the medium to grow on all fro= nts, not just some of them. So we don't get AMS. That limits the options, b= ut does the job otherwise. Anyway, that's where I'm at on it. I like radio as a medium. AM, FM, Digi= tal. I don't like some of the radios --particularly the very shitty AM radi= os being schlepped today. No excuse for that. Given that radio is cool, and I think it is, then it's all about making t= he most of the spectrum and that's it! Rather than talk about how narrow AM= is, or how noisy it is, it's much better to enjoy the range, or how it bal= ances with the car noise, not distracting, or works out on the fringe, etc.= .. Maybe that explains where I'm coming from. If the strengths of the differ= ent bands are applied, and we get radios that make sense given that, more p= eople will appreciate more radio, more of the time, and that's good. Trashing some of the radio, hoping that other parts of it just work sucks= .=20 Posted on June 15, 2010 - 08:56 PM #=20 19.. shipwreck =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 495 If you want to hear how good an AM station can sound, whether it be mono = or stereo, get a Carver receiver and switch it to wideband. Some stations m= ay disappear if there is a powerful signal on an adjoining frequency, but t= hose that are not affected by them come in incredibly well.=20 Posted on June 16, 2010 - 10:02 AM #=20 20.. scowl =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 589 I listened to some local stations with the 10 kHz selectivity on my NRD-5= 25 last night. I didn't do any measurements but they all sounded pretty goo= d with that selectivity (except for the HD ones of course) but the increase= in noise was more surprising. I think after listening to CD's and digital = audio for so long my ears have gotten more sensitive to these things. I cou= ld not imagine turning this audio up very loud. It would have been continuo= us noise. After sundown it became an even greater problem. The noise level on all b= ut the strongest local stations rose to the irritating level with that band= width. The noise blanker was able to take out most of the lightening cracks= (the audio disappears for a moment) but it sounded like every source of RF= I in the country was hitting me. Strong carriers were able to knock out mos= t of the irritating noise but not the increase in hiss.=20 Since AM has been mostly talk programming recently I can see why receiver= s are putting in narrower selectivity every year. Switching on the 4 kHz fi= lter made talk sound great and eliminated a lot of the noise and all of the= hiss but naturally the music sounded like what you'd expect with only 4 kH= z of bandwidth.=20 With analog receivers (and communication receivers with digital tuning) y= ou could tune a little off the center frequency and get the upper mid range= which the little speakers couldn't reproduce bass anyway. This sounded pre= tty good but digital tuners won't let you tune on anything but the center f= requency now.=20 Posted on June 16, 2010 - 11:37 AM #=20 21.. Alfredo_T =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,740 I visited a friend who owned a Carver TX-11 a long time ago, and he treat= ed me to a bandscan of the Toronto AM dial. Differences in processing betwe= en stations were very noticeable. What stuck out the most, in my recollecti= on, was that the highs and mid-highs were clean-sounding on some stations b= ut on others, they had a distorted quality about them (perhaps due to wave-= shaping/clipping circuits in the airchain).=20 Posted on June 16, 2010 - 12:24 PM #=20 22.. scowl =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 589 I have read that some distortion is caused by "brick wall" filters some A= M stations use to put maximum modulation into the highs for a bright loud s= ound at the expense of some distortion.=20 I don't know anything about radio broadcasting but that's what I've read.= =20 Posted on June 16, 2010 - 04:42 PM #=20 23.. Kent.Randles =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 240 Because of FCC NRSC requirements to protect 2nd adjacent channels, AM sta= tions can no longer transmit any audio above 10 kHz. It has been this way f= or years. The filter is built into "modern" audio processors. Most talk programming from satellite is bandwidth-limited to 7.5 kHz. Then there are the stations' phasors and antenna tuning units that may no= t have the bandwidth.=20 Posted on June 16, 2010 - 04:42 PM #=20 24.. semoochie =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,450 Lately, the biggest difference between US and Canadian stations is that t= he former haven't begun turning in their Class 1A clear channel stations to= the commission!=20 Posted on June 16, 2010 - 08:04 PM #=20 25.. Craig_Adams =20=20=20 Radio historian Posts: 8,197 Jr. Tech: You must have changed your E-Mail address. Please E-Mail me. I = have some information for you. radiohistorian@msn.com=20 Posted on June 17, 2010 - 05:15 PM #=20 26.. the_radio_guy =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 874 I just purchased the hand-made Meduci high fidelity AM Stereo tuner and s= et it up at home. It sounds great! All the receivable Portland AM's come in= clearly with minimal static. Using the tunable Terk "AM Advantage" antenna= , 860 KPAM is received well with only minor splatter from 840 KKNX. 840 KKNX had been the only AM Stereo station in Eugene, from 1996 up unti= l a couple years ago. I thought this would be a good time to come up with a= list of NW stations that were AM Stereo at one point. Prior to 840 KKNX, I= believe 1280 KDUK was the only other station to broadcast AM Stereo in Eug= ene. I'm not sure what year they went back to mono. Hopefully someone can c= omfirm that they were indeed stereo at one time. In Portland, I know that 1640 KDZR, 1520 KKSN, and 970 KBBT had been AM S= tereo, years before 1450 KBPS added it. Which other Portland stations had A= M Stereo at some point?=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 03:11 AM #=20 27.. Craig_Adams =20=20=20 Radio historian Posts: 8,197 KGW 620 became the first AM station in Portland to broadcast in Stereo on= March 10, 1983. KSGO 1520 began between June 20 & 26, 1988.=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 03:44 AM #=20 28.. semoochie =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,450 There was a point where almost every major AM station in Portland was ope= rating in stereo.=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 03:49 AM #=20 29.. the_radio_guy =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 874 Were expanded band stations originally required by the FCC to broadcast A= M Stereo? This would explain why 1640 debuted in Stereo, despite not having= a music format. I'm guessing that 620 turned off the AM Stereo around the time it became = KOTK. Did 1520 broadcast AM Stereo continuously until Bustos flipped it to "La = Gran D" in 2004, or did they turn it off during the KFXX Sports/Talk years? I also seem to remember 1010 KZRC being advertised as Stereo during the "= Z-Rock" years. How about 910 KKSN and 1190 KEX?=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 05:55 AM #=20 30.. the_radio_guy =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 874 Currently there are three different Sony AM Stereo radios being manufactu= red for the Japanese market, and available for purchase from Audio Cubes II= . http://www.audiocubes2.com/category/Radio/product/Sony_SRF-A300_FM,_AM_Ra= dio.html http://www.audiocubes2.com/product/Sony_SRF-AX51V_FM,_AM_Pocket_Radio.htm= l http://www.audiocubes2.com/product/Sony_SRF-AX15_FM,_AM_Pocket_Radio.html= =20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 06:10 AM #=20 31.. Alfredo_T =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,740 1520 was mono for some time and then returned to stereo. I moved to Portl= and in mid June of 1998. At that time, 1520 was programming a nostalgia for= mat in mono. One day in late summer or early fall of that year, they resume= d stereo. The first day that I heard stereo, it appeared that the exciter w= as being adjusted. At this point, the sound was distorted, and when I conne= cted the left and right outputs of a stereo receiver to an oscilloscope in = X-Y mode, the pattern produced looked like a comet. After the first day, th= ings improved considerably. Stereo was turned off on 1520 on April Fool's Day, 2004. This was around = the time that they were sold to Bustos.=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 09:53 AM #=20 32.. semoochie =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,450 KKSN 910 ran the Kahn/Hazeltine system. I don't believe they ever switche= d to Motorola C-Quam. Most local stations didn't stay stereo very long. AM = stereo was indeed a requirement for expanded band stations.=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 11:43 AM #=20 33.. Craig_Adams =20=20=20 Radio historian Posts: 8,197 Stereo stations as of September 3, 2008 Oregon 660 KXOR Junction City/Eugene, OR News/Talk ??? 840 KKNX Eugene, OR Solid Gold Soul 910 KFXX Vancouver, WA Sports 930 KAGI Grants Pass, OR NPR; Jefferson Public Radio 1040 KLVP Tigard/Portland, OR Christian 1330 KKPZ Portland, OR Christian 1390 KSLM Salem, OR Oldies ??? 1400 KJDY John Day, OR Country 1450 KBPS Portland, OR Public Radio 1450 KFLS Klamath Falls, OR Oldies 1520 KKSN Portland, OR Adult Standards 1640 KDZR Lake Oswego, OR Radio Disney Check this site for more: http://mysite.verizon.net/tekel/amstereo/usa.htm=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 04:00 PM #=20 34.. semoochie =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,450 Craig, I don't think your source is even close to being correct! Off the = top of my head, KFXX wasn't on 910 at that time and 1520 wasn't KKSN. It lo= oks like they gained information over a period of time but never changed it= .=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 04:23 PM #=20 35.. Craig_Adams =20=20=20 Radio historian Posts: 8,197 Ok, here's yet another site. "This is a list of all known AM Stereo Stations as of June 28, 1985."=20 KUGN Eugene OR 590 kHz Kahn KYKN Eugene OR 1280 kHz Motorola KAGI Grants Pass OR 930 kHz Harris KAJO Grants Pass OR 1270 kHz Harris KUIK Hillsboro OR 1360 kHz Motorola KYJC Medford OR 610 kHz Motorola KTIX Pendleton OR 1240 kHz Motorola KGW Portland OR 620 kHz Motorola KKSN Vancouver WA 910 kHz Kahn http://www.zoklet.net/totse/en/media/radio_scanner_frequency_lists/ham014= .html=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 08:28 PM #=20 36.. kd7yuf =20=20=20 flaming capacitor Posts: 39 Looks like back then Oregon had every system except Magnavox but that one= was the rarest of the original four. Sadly this was a case where the FCC l= acked leadership and made a really bad choice. Allowing four systems made r= eceiver design complex and expensive along with some people ending up with = Motorola only receivers and not being able to get any AM stereo stations. O= riginally Magnavox was picked as the standard but the other companies fough= t it and thus the format war began or so I understand. As for KBPS I cannot= get them at all and the only AM stereo station I can receive is CJRJ 1200 = Vancouver BC at night.=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 10:07 PM #=20 37.. hwidsten =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 349 You guys might want to consider an AM tuner from C Crane Co. Google them.= =20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 10:08 PM #=20 38.. kd7yuf =20=20=20 flaming capacitor Posts: 39 If you mean the CC Radio Plus I heard of it but its fine tuned for talk a= nd not HIFI music. A couple HIFI mono AM receivers I have had good experien= ce with in the past were the Radioshack/Optimus GE Super Radio III clones. = Inexpensive but very fine sound quality in the wide bandwidth position alon= g with what I suspect is a true two way mono speaker system!=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 10:11 PM #=20 39.. semoochie =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,450 I saw a picture of a KUIK van touting AM stereo but the "powers that be" = at that station told me they were never stereo!=20 Posted on January 10, 2011 - 10:42 PM #=20 40.. Craig_Adams =20=20=20 Radio historian Posts: 8,197 The Oregonian's first listing of AM Stereo stations was on 11-23-86. If y= ou remember, they were listed below the entire AM dial of stations, showed:= KGW, KKSN, KUIK and KWIP.=20 Posted on January 11, 2011 - 01:54 AM #=20 41.. the_radio_guy =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 874 It looks like 1360 KUIK did indeed broadcast in stereo at one time. Speaking of 910 KKSN, what was their format before Oldies, and when exact= ly did the flip take place? How did KKSN's format compare with "Solid Gold"= 1520 KSGO? Here's KATU's coverage of KKSN's change to Oldies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Du6eQcMtRVIM=20 Posted on January 11, 2011 - 04:21 AM #=20 42.. KE7JFF =20=20=20 tough transistor Posts: 93 It's funny, my only memory of ever hearing AM stereo is as a child on a b= ig family trip where our rental car had a radio that had a radio deck with = AM Stereo. The station I remember hearing always put it's mono commercials = on the left; dunno why the left but it was odd.=20 Posted on January 11, 2011 - 05:44 AM #=20 43.. Craig_Adams =20=20=20 Radio historian Posts: 8,197 Radio Guy: KKSN went through a few formats before settling on Oldies. Apr 1, 1980: Singles & albums of the 1940's, 50's & 60's. Aug 24, 1981: Adult Contemporary. Mar 22, 1982: Classical & Jazz. Jun 4, 1987: Popular Music. Aug 1, 1987: Oldies. I believe the difference between KKSN & KSGO was KKSN played more 50's an= d early 60's.=20 Posted on January 12, 2011 - 07:36 PM #=20 44.. semoochie =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,450 OK, you lost me here. Are we talking about Brave New Radio? I thought the= y were Progressive Rock with an occasional oldie thrown in. After KYTE-FM t= ook over the Classical format, they switched to the same satellite feed tha= t later became Sunny 910 but went through one ratings book before changing = to Oldies.=20 Posted on January 12, 2011 - 10:36 PM #=20 45.. Mickproper =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 276 I worked on an AM station that was conducting stereo broadcast tests for = the FCC back in the '70s. I remember being impressed with the signal qualit= y even back then. I never understood why it didn't make more of an impact w= hen it was released commercially - especially since by then it was clear th= at FM was not the great broadcast panacea that had originally been promised= ("no static at all"...yeah, right!)=20 Posted on January 12, 2011 - 10:44 PM #=20 46.. missing_kskd =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 13,580 No Static.... The most striking thing about AMS to me was the lack of multi-path. I sti= ll really enjoy the sound, even at the lower bandwidth we typically see tod= ay. Back when KBBT was on the air, I had long commutes between the airport an= d Newberg. KBBT was just a great listen in AMS. There are a few spots where= some noise gets ADDED to the signal, and one where it's just bad, but neit= her lasted for very long. The rest of the time, I got a nice, consistent sound, no "fuzz", and the = lack of highs actually is a plus for casual listening. To this day, I roll = off the FM highs, because they are often crushed... It's too bad that HD-Radios were not also more equipped for this broadcas= t mode. In trouble areas, where the IBOC conflicts, or may be difficult, th= e AMS just might not be, and from the users perspective, it would have just= been "that better radio" regardless of whether or not the "better" sound w= as digital... Happy times!=20 At least we still get a nice treat when in range of KBPS. The "Christmas = Card" in AMS is really quite nice.=20 Posted on January 12, 2011 - 10:57 PM #=20 47.. semoochie =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 4,450 Much of what is wrong with FM is the multiplex system of stereo. Multipat= h interference is more pronounced and it's just generally noisier than mona= ural. I assume that's what you're talking about when you say "static".=20 Posted on January 12, 2011 - 11:00 PM #=20 48.. Craig_Adams =20=20=20 Radio historian Posts: 8,197 Behind The Mike - April 1, 1980: "KKSN says programming will include lots= of album standards, along with singles from 60's, 50's and some from the 4= 0's."=20 Posted on January 12, 2011 - 11:49 PM #=20 49.. the_radio_guy =20=20=20 vacuum tube Posts: 874 When did 970 begin broadcasting AM Stereo, and when was it turned off?=20 Posted on January 13, 2011 - 01:07 AM #=20 50.. Craig_Adams =20=20=20 Radio historian Posts: 8,197 The only information I have says KBBT-AM went Stereo in 1990, however thi= s source is not reliable. Asking when a station shut off its stereo, is not= something that would be published and retrievable. This information would = be known to engineers and personnel at the time.=20 Posted on January 13, 2011 - 02:49 AM #=20 RSS feed for this topic 1 2 Next =C2=BB Reply =C2=BB You must log in to post. The Portland Radio Guide home page=20 =C2=A91995-2014 / Frequently Asked Questions / Archive / Contact=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@igenesis.us Sun Jan 26 19:00:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1782 invoked by uid 102); 27 Jan 2014 03:00:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m9.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2014 03:00:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26019 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2014 03:00:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail.genesiswireless.us) (74.117.240.90) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2014 03:00:02 -0000 X-Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us (mail.genesiswireless.us [74.117.240.90]) by mail.genesiswireless.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43CA1AB9C7 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:59:59 -0600 (CST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:59:59 -0600 Message-Id: <20140127025745.M97571@igenesis.us> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.53 X-OriginatingIP: 74.117.240.1 (scottn0bst) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-ID: E43CA1AB9C7.AABC2 X-Genesis-Wireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-From: scottn0bst@igenesis.us X-Spam-Status: No X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "scottn0bst" Subject: Re: KSTN AM 1420 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=553994239; y=wzvPfSmvSC5GuLapvi_VfCR8KQhz2xmqClNOGU56YiGpmEnrJF1R X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Interesting someone actually bothered to resurrect it. When K-LOVE was in the process of buying the FM, they also took a look at the AM and figured it would cost less to bulldoze the site and start from scratch than it would to try and fix what was there. And one of the guys who did the inspection is a name some of you west coast guys would know as he's a brilliant engineer. Scott Todd From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 29 21:26:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42899 invoked by uid 102); 30 Jan 2014 05:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2014 05:26:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13849 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2014 05:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nm23-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (216.109.115.168) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2014 05:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.81.163] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2014 05:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2014 05:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2014 05:26:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 581646.23745.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: QZPIbKkVM1mKAJZX7bVv.QFsoCP1twhaT6tnkcu_2OqC6_K 2qRhlDwW9FsPHDfD1Nxp_bhv8PiJ4IUGu7ggMP_lHgRZEUHtV1s1GizqFeRn jznEdnRjbektCxAnHoaMiw_WY0TbqLr9Egvm0zj1lcH1dcijaDFYWY_0tYh2 OfFhypeejLsjVSTZZ7glfHjK5aGxkxOcdQMZzW7pt6RuuwNv4NxlWGSubdgM Sd0P8gDnAQ62_yXqkrG6BKHPJvgqh1DnyYN92gt40eLqxCPuq29DEF8PwoWb F7NkgyKU.ZsiouwHO.bXQu3GIbnmgjplHjLPHk0.R7z6kIGmXCFmgz0iKlXw 24V8cHm5OchoEt2dWiVfWNF_7brsjsc3Ka5Em.54uU4I.1kHR23nH2mv9ffY y46hjB3WoymGInRF8Xw0VngjERBbxD2xveZRNRy.kHfDyZOtYBOXcd_1WTVI 149D51GI0WJy3ZDHEp1XTmVruIAcgVCRQob6uRIofgzFPY81h92toJE27uq7 nrlPmH_NWYQsIjJmuHIatfIrTV2aUYclWaXpV0TlmbWdnIcYnRugI8urNcfi .XynsJRFpoLh7JRXpbYg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-Rocket-Received: from jim51acdbd9d7e (jimsmith95650@75.22.190.186 with plain [98.138.31.74]) by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2014 21:26:53 -0800 PST Message-ID: <348463258B8C44F0BC35FFA1687D8F37@jim51acdbd9d7e> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:26:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CF1D38.CE6C6CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Radio Shack Stereo RF Modulator 15-2525 OT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=0x_IFk2I4WUjjCRi7lQv5bH04cJY5papaogpTAQROiRoAbb_kNVD8ze4mCg5eFs3Rmz5_hZO X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CF1D38.CE6C6CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang I have read alot of good stuff about the RS Stereo RF Modulator 15= -2525. 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Hi Gang  I have read alot of good stu= ff about=20 the RS Stereo RF Modulator 15-2525.  I have one question though about = it.=20 How well dose it work over a long cable run? Jim=20 Smith
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It's been fun. Hopefully this will not be the end but maybe a new beginning.

JSGil 

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(Jody Ritchie) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123145763; y=T2168HwP325mG2p53uVqCUuPCdars6TDVFktZixKfNF4398UqP3Hxa8f X-Yahoo-Profile: themountain1061 --2094167247-137257811-1394719544=:29326 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but= =C2=A0 it's because of the situation of things right now. =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention=C2=A0 anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugge= d last night=C2=A0 in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them=C2=A0 had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats=C2=A0 important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us. --2094167247-137257811-1394719544=:29326 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm sorry for this odd request be= cause it might get to you too urgent but  it's because of the situatio= n of things right now.

  I=E2=80=99m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention  anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugge= d last night  in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them  had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats  important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible

All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise
to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as
possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us.


--2094167247-137257811-1394719544=:29326-- From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu Mar 13 07:34:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68402 invoked by uid 102); 13 Mar 2014 14:34:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.142) by m15.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2014 14:34:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19316 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2014 14:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s8.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.210) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2014 14:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from BAY179-W1 ([65.54.190.201]) by bay0-omc4-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:34:31 -0700 X-TMN: [QV8IXE7eU2Npb/1cpjrshrMXUhKouf4N] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_454cb849-2a10-4331-b71e-8c8880f15f21_" To: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 10:34:32 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1394719544.29326.YahooMailNeo@web122606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1394719544.29326.YahooMailNeo@web122606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2014 14:34:31.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[59054560:01CF3EC9] X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=_-EOEhaItUYqcLTD0UXCSx7hadpQ-vD7Jk4adEt2qmELfvVxg8t3PcDn --_454cb849-2a10-4331-b71e-8c8880f15f21_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, this old scam again. I'll tell Jody Via Facebook he's been hacked. Cc To:=20 From: themountain1061@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:05:44 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) =20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but = it's because of the situation of things right now. =20 I=92m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugged last night in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 --_454cb849-2a10-4331-b71e-8c8880f15f21_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah, this old scam again. I'l= l tell Jody Via Facebook he's been hacked.
Cc

To: From: themountain1061@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:0= 5:44 -0700
Subject: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help= Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)

=20  
=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20
I'm sorry for this odd request becaus= e it might get to you too urgent but  it's because of the situation of= things right now.

  I=92m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention  anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugge= d last night  in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them  had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats  important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible

All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise
to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as
possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us.



=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20
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(Jody Ritchie) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=123145763; y=PIUnwIihi8Gaieb2OZ6cSlpYTIV9aV9OSDO2qvkXfOCRLWC_hWnlcICk X-Yahoo-Profile: themountain1061 ---159098491-1133554325-1394721475=:6779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh my God..!!=C2=A0 try to understand me, this is very terrible,=C2=A0 my a= ccount was not hacked i'm really=C2=A0 here in Manila, Philippines , am sor= ry for not informing anyone about this, all i need now is your help, let me= know if you can get the money to me and i will advice on how to get the mo= ney to me, i promise to refund in full immediately when i get back home I owe you a lot. Glad to hear back from you. ________________________________ From: Chris Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:34 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) =20 =C2=A0=20 Ah, this old scam again. I'll tell Jody Via Facebook he's been hacked. Cc ________________________________ To:=20 From: themountain1061@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:05:44 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) =C2=A0=20 I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but= =C2=A0 it's because of the situation of things right now. =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention=C2=A0 anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugge= d last night=C2=A0 in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them=C2=A0 had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats=C2=A0 important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us. ---159098491-1133554325-1394721475=:6779 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh my God..!!  try to understand me, this is very terrib= le,  my account was not hacked i'm really  here in Manila, Philip= pines , am sorry for not informing anyone about this, all i need now is you= r help, let me know if you can get the money to me and i will advice on how= to get the money to me, i promise to refund in full immediately when i get= back home
I owe you a lot.
Glad to hear back from you.

From: Chris Cuff <amstereoguy@hotmail.com>
= To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups= .com
Sent: Thursday, = March 13, 2014 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)=

 
=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20
Ah, this old scam again. I'll tell Jody Via Facebook= he's been hacked.
Cc

To:
From: themountain1061@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:05:44 -0700
Subject: {AMSF}= Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)
<= br clear=3D"none"> =20  
=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20
I'm sorry for = this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but  it's beca= use of the situation of things right now.

  I=E2=80=99m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention  anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugge= d last night  in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them  had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats  important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible

All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise
to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as
possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us.



=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20
=20=20
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---159098491-1133554325-1394721475=:6779-- From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu Mar 13 07:43:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98275 invoked by uid 102); 13 Mar 2014 14:43:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.33) by m7.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2014 14:43:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3911 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2014 14:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc4-s3.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.190.205) by mtaq2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2014 14:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from BAY179-W5 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:43:53 -0700 X-TMN: [9N1gL+7qXRs0okQKIvokq5Owo7bPPvWd] X-Originating-Email: [amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: amstereoguy@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5018b247-2a9f-4279-9897-0574d91424b3_" To: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 10:43:52 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1394721475.6779.YahooMailNeo@web122604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1394719544.29326.YahooMailNeo@web122606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ,<1394721475.6779.YahooMailNeo@web122604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2014 14:43:53.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7695DD0:01CF3ECA] X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Chris Cuff Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059; y=bvBGuERmLn3-t7V3derxsMOCI5bF--JQsxhr7K16obDRpJevvpmq07uq --_5018b247-2a9f-4279-9897-0574d91424b3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry. It won't wash. It's nearly word for word the same scam that has been= circulating for several years.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: themountain1061@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:37:55 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) =20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Oh my God..!! try to understand me, this is very terrible, my accou= nt was not hacked i'm really here in Manila, Philippines , am sorry for no= t informing anyone about this, all i need now is your help, let me know if = you can get the money to me and i will advice on how to get the money to me= , i promise to refund in full immediately when i get back home I owe you a lot. Glad to hear back from you. From: Chris Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:34 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) =20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Ah, this old scam again. I'll tell Jody Via Facebook he's been hacked.CcTo:= From: themountain1061@yahoo.comDate: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:05:44 -0700Subjec= t: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) =20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but = it's because of the situation of things right now. =20 I=92m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugged last night in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 --_5018b247-2a9f-4279-9897-0574d91424b3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry. It won't wash. It'= ;s nearly word for word the same scam that has been circulating for several= years.

To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
From: them= ountain1061@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:37:55 -0700<= br>Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgent= ly!!! (Jody Ritchie)

=20  
=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20
Oh my God..!!  try to understand me, this is ve= ry terrible,  my account was not hacked i'm really  here in Manil= a, Philippines , am sorry for not informing anyone about this, all i need n= ow is your help, let me know if you can get the money to me and i will advi= ce on how to get the money to me, i promise to refund in full immediately w= hen i get back home
I owe you a lot.
Glad to hear back from you.
=

=
From: Chris Cuff <amstereoguy@hotmail.com> To: amstereoforu= m@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tragic Or= deal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)

<= div id=3Decxyiv4985131938>
 
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Ah, this old scam again. I'll tell Jody Via Facebook h= e's been hacked.
Cc

To= :
From: themountain1061@yahoo.com
= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:05:44 -0700
Subject&#= 58; {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)=

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I'm sorry for this od= d request because it might get to you too urgent but  it's because of = the situation of things right now.

  I=92m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention  anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugge= d last night  in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them  had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats  important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible

All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise
to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as
possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us.



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(Jody Ritchie) by "jody ritchie" = themountain1061=20=20=20=20=20 1b=20=20 Re: Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) by "Chris Cuff= "=20=20=20=20=20 1c=20=20 Re: Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) by "jody ritch= ie" themountain1061=20=20=20=20=20 1d=20=20 Re: Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) by "Chris Cuff= "=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Messages=20=20 1a=20=20 Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)=20=20=20=20=20=20 Thu Mar=C2=A013,=C2=A02014 7:08=C2=A0am (PDT) . Posted by: = =20 "jody ritchie" themountain1061=20=20=20=20=20=20 I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but= =C2=A0 it's because of the situation of things right now. =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention=C2=A0 anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugge= d last night=C2=A0 in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them=C2=A0 had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats=C2=A0 important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us. = =20 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Me= ssages (4) . Top ^=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 1b=20=20 Re: Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)=20=20=20=20=20=20 Thu Mar=C2=A013,=C2=A02014 7:34=C2=A0am (PDT) . Posted by: = =20 "Chris Cuff"=20=20=20=20=20=20 Ah, this old scam again. I'll tell Jody Via Facebook he's been hacked. Cc To:=20 From: themountain1061@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:05:44 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but = it's because of the situation of things right now. I=EF=BF=BD with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugged last night in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us. =20=20=20=20 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Me= ssages (4) . Top ^=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 1c=20=20 Re: Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)=20=20=20=20=20=20 Thu Mar=C2=A013,=C2=A02014 7:40=C2=A0am (PDT) . Posted by: = =20 "jody ritchie" themountain1061=20=20=20=20=20=20 Oh my God..!!=C2=A0 try to understand me, this is very terrible,=C2=A0 my a= ccount was not hacked i'm really=C2=A0 here in Manila, Philippines , am sor= ry for not informing anyone about this, all i need now is your help, let me= know if you can get the money to me and i will advice on how to get the mo= ney to me, i promise to refund in full immediately when i get back home I owe you a lot. Glad to hear back from you. ________________________________ From: Chris Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:34 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) =C2=A0=20 Ah, this old scam again. I'll tell Jody Via Facebook he's been hacked. Cc ________________________________ To:=20 From: themountain1061@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:05:44 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) =C2=A0=20 I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but= =C2=A0 it's because of the situation of things right now. =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention=C2=A0 anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugge= d last night=C2=A0 in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them=C2=A0 had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats=C2=A0 important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us. =20=20=20=20 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Me= ssages (4) . Top ^=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 1d=20=20 Re: Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)=20=20=20=20=20=20 Thu Mar=C2=A013,=C2=A02014 7:43=C2=A0am (PDT) . Posted by: = =20 "Chris Cuff"=20=20=20=20=20=20 Sorry. It won't wash. It's nearly word for word the same scam that has been= circulating for several years.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: themountain1061@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:37:55 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) Oh my God..!! try to understand me, this is very terrible, my account was= not hacked i'm really here in Manila, Philippines , am sorry for not info= rming anyone about this, all i need now is your help, let me know if you ca= n get the money to me and i will advice on how to get the money to me, i pr= omise to refund in full immediately when i get back home I owe you a lot. Glad to hear back from you. From: Chris Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:34 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) Ah, this old scam again. I'll tell Jody Via Facebook he's been hacked.CcTo:= From: themountain1061@yahoo.comDate: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:05:44 -0700Subjec= t: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie) I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but = it's because of the situation of things right now. I=EF=BF=BD with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't mention anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugged last night in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from shopping, one of them had a knife poking my neck for almost two minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured and we are still alive so that is whats important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us to catch a flight back home as soon as possible All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us. =20=20=20=20 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Me= ssages (4) . 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Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:08 am (PDT) . Poste= d by:

"jody ritchie" themountain1061

I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too= urgent but  it's because of the situation of things right now.

 
I=E2=80=99m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't=
mention  anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugge= d
last night  in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from
shopping, one of them  had a knife poking my neck for almost two
minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards
were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for
us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured
and we are still alive so that is whats  important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted
quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my
bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel
bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us
to catch a flight back home as soon as possible

All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when
we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise
to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the
best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as
possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us.
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Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:34 am (PDT) . Poste= d by:

"Chris Cuff"

Ah, this old scam again. I'll tell Jody Via Facebook he's been= hacked.
Cc

To:
From: themountain1061@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:05:44 -0700
Subject: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)

I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but = it's because of the situation of things right now.

I=EF=BF=BD with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't<= br> mention anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugged
last night in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from
shopping, one of them had a knife poking my neck for almost two
minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards
were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for
us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured
and we are still alive so that is whats important. I've reported to
the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted
quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my
bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel
bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us
to catch a flight back home as soon as possible

All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when
we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise

to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the
best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as

possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us.

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Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:40 am (PDT) . Poste= d by:

"jody ritchie" themountain1061

Oh my God..!!  try to understand me, this is very terribl= e,  my account was not hacked i'm really  here in Manila, Philipp= ines , am sorry for not informing anyone about this, all i need now is your= help, let me know if you can get the money to me and i will advice on how = to get the money to me, i promise to refund in full immediately when i get = back home
I owe you a lot.
Glad to hear back from you.

________________________________
From: Chris Cuff <amstereoguy@hotmail.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)<= br>

 
Ah, this old scam again. I'll tell Jody Via Facebook he's been hacked.
Cc

________________________________
To:
From: themountain1061@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:05:44 -0700
Subject: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)

 
I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but&n= bsp; it's because of the situation of things right now.

 
I=E2=80=99m with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't=
mention  anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugge= d
last night  in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from
shopping, one of them  had a knife poking my neck for almost two
minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards
were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for
us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured
and we are still alive so that is whats  important. I've reported to the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted
quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my
bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel
bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us
to catch a flight back home as soon as possible

All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when
we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise
to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the
best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as
possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us.

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Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:43 am (PDT) . Poste= d by:

"Chris Cuff"

Sorry. It won't wash. It's nearly word for word the same scam = that has been circulating for several years.

To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
From: themountain1061@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:37:55 -0700
Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)<= br>
Oh my God..!! try to understand me, this is very terrible, my account was= not hacked i'm really here in Manila, Philippines , am sorry for not info= rming anyone about this, all i need now is your help, let me know if you ca= n get the money to me and i will advice on how to get the money to me, i pr= omise to refund in full immediately when i get back home
I owe you a lot.
Glad to hear back from you.

From: Chris Cuff <amstereoguy@hotmail.com>
To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)=


Ah, this old scam again. I'll tell Jody Via Facebook he's been hacked.CcTo:= From: themountain1061@yahoo.comDate: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:05:44 -0700Subjec= t: {AMSF} Tragic Ordeal...Kindly Help Urgently!!! (Jody Ritchie)

I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but = it's because of the situation of things right now.

I=EF=BF=BD with family on vacation in Manila, Philippines, I know I didn't<= br> mention anything about it to you but we are in trouble, we were mugged
last night in an alley by a gang of thugs on our way back from
shopping, one of them had a knife poking my neck for almost two
minutes and everything we had on us including my phone, credit cards
were all stolen, quite honestly it was beyond a dreadful experience for
us but looking on the bright side we weren't seriously hurt or injured
and we are still alive so that is whats important. I've reported to
the cops here and canceled all our cards, it appeared I had acted
quickly enough or they almost would have succeeded in cleaning out my
bank account. I'm really having some difficulties clearing our hotel
bills and also need to pick up a voucher ticket at the counter for us
to catch a flight back home as soon as possible

All we need right now is $1,850 but anything you can spare pending when
we get things straightened out will be appreciated and I promise
to refund you as soon as we arrive home safely, western union is the
best way to get money across to us. Please get back to me as soon as
possible to let you know how you can get the money across to us.



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